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November is an odd month to bring this topic up, but from Science a few years ago:
Is the sun getting you high?
By Nadia Whitehead Jun. 19, 2014 , 12:00 PMDo you like to spend your days basking on the beach or relaxing in a tanning bed? You may think you do it for cosmetic reasons—that natural glow does look good on you—but new research suggests you might have another motive. Mice frequently exposed to ultraviolet (UV) light show symptoms of drug use and addiction, suggesting that every time you seek out the sun’s rays, you may just be looking for a high.
“This is an idea that has been staring us in the face forever,” says Steven Feldman, a dermatologist at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, who has studied the psychological effects of tanning. “There’s been a sudden rise in skin cancers, and dermatologists have been cautioning patients about sun exposure,” he says. “Yet people aren’t cutting back on their time outdoors, and the whole industry of tanning beds has grown extraordinarily fast.”
This seems like an under-researched phenomenon. Perhaps the last time I went to a tanning salon was in the 1980s, but I can recall coming out of one on a cold night in Chicago in February feeling euphoric as if I’d just spent a few hours in the summer sun.
This effect seems like the basis of a variety of industries: tanning salons, winter vacations in Florida, second homes in Palm Springs so Los Angelenos can escape to the desert “to get some sun,” nudist colonies, and so forth. But I don’t much about it at all.
What’s the biochemical cause of tanning euphoria?
Does sunscreen block the euphoria? If so, would it be possible to make sunscreen that still lowers the risk of skin cancer while allowing some of the euphoria?
Is it tied to Seasonal Affective Disorder, either as a cure or cause?
What percentage of Americans are affected by it?
Does that percentage differ by race, by hair color, eye color, etc.?
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Also, the mystical desert experiences. Castaneda, Moebius and stuff.
(07:30)
I’m getting so little sun that I am using an Earth-destroying halogen light indoors to not get fully depressed and doc is giving me vitamin D precursor.
Sheds light on this
Kim Stanley Robinson on sun worship (albeit from, up close – Mercury):
This story (originally published as Death-by-Rain) was collected in The Illustrated Man the following year.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
https://youtu.be/jNas99oEXBU?t=459 (07:30)
I'm getting so little sun that I am using an Earth-destroying halogen light indoors to not get fully depressed and doc is giving me vitamin D precursor.Replies: @Anon
When I was younger I was prescribed Vitamin D for depression. It made no appreciable difference, which was fine with me, because I didn’t think I was depressed anyway in any medically significant way.
One of the funnier things on the list of “what white people like” is the outdoors. If you’re sitting comfortably inside white people will constantly harass you to go outside because it’s somehow good for you. This article is a pretty good example.
I think either one nice day not-on-line weekly or at least a couple of trips into the pristine woods each year can do wonders. I don't harass anyone about it, but I say "let's go shooting" or "let's go hiking", along with some other outdoor hobbies. I'll go myself, if everyone's gonna be a stick-in-the-mud.Replies: @El Dato, @AnotherDad, @Angular momentum
A nice day is nice for its own sake, but what makes it nicest is watching young women walking around in summer clothes.
The fats+tats ones honestly depress me in the "how the hell did my nation end up like this?" way that is now an unpleasantly common thought.Replies: @anon, @Clyde, @YetAnotherAnon
No wonder white girls prefer Men of Color
white males are pervertsReplies: @El Dato, @Redneck farmer, @anon
Lack of sunlight is harmful, no doubt about it. Getting some sun usually involves other things like walking, sport and getting out of a non-stimulating house or office environment. I work in a fairly typical corporate environment, and I've noticed over the years that 'time away from desk' is getting more and more rare. Training and meetings are almost always done over Skype, even when we're all in the same building and a quick huddle in a conference room would be better and a good break.
There are currently 6 approved comments. I’m testing Sailer’s Law of Approving at Least 100 Other Comments Before Approving [email protected]’s, But Leaving it to Appear at Number 7 so it Doesn’t Get Read.
It's a tad onerous, unless you change your schedule to iSteve time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MbPWzIFUk
BTW, Mike, how 'bout those Commies on the Fred Reed thread? I wouldn't have believed there are people that haven't learned from 100 years of dismal history if I hadn't read it with my own two eyes.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hockamaw, @Reg Cæsar, @Dieter Kief
Too much more
This is not at all personal, Iω, more like directed at myself, but, spending too much time on the internet (TV, if that’s your thing) does have a bad effect on the personality, without some breaks into the great outdoors.
I think either one nice day not-on-line weekly or at least a couple of trips into the pristine woods each year can do wonders. I don’t harass anyone about it, but I say “let’s go shooting” or “let’s go hiking”, along with some other outdoor hobbies. I’ll go myself, if everyone’s gonna be a stick-in-the-mud.
It helps to live near a University. You get it in high concentration!
I saw it just now at 1230 GMT, so that’s only 28 minutes. I like this experimenting, but I think I already know the theory, Mike. Moderation will happen during Mr. Sailer’s waking hours from up at 10 A – 2 P California time until 12 M – 3 A California time. During that time the moderation interval will be as little as 2 minutes, if he’s reading/writing comments, to usually 15 min. to 1/2 hour. Outside that time frame, there’s nobody to take care of it.
It’s a tad onerous, unless you change your schedule to iSteve time.
BTW, Mike, how ’bout those Commies on the Fred Reed thread? I wouldn’t have believed there are people that haven’t learned from 100 years of dismal history if I hadn’t read it with my own two eyes.
I have a voice darn it, and it needs to be heard.
As far as Kiko's discussion - yeah it just goes to show that communism is little more than a version of Central American Indian religious mega-mass sacrifice. Die hard commies will sing the Soviet NA while a priest cuts his still beating heart out of his chest and shows it to him before he eats it. I give you credit for engaging them; I've long since lost the patience.Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Alarmist, @Jim Don Bob
Sweet taste is to paleolithic caloric starvation
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UV high is to paleolithic vitamin D deficiency?
All true for my wife, but I’m the opposite and hate the sun and bright lighting in general. I find when I get a lot of sun exposure in a day, it disrupts my sleep that night and provokes wild, lucid dreams.
I’m a darkness monster (so I can stay pretty and pale)
But on the off hand chance that I do go outside without sunscreen…
I feel that Euphoria and it’s amazing! But quickly overridden by the sense of guilt over ruining my skin.
Sunscreen does block it.
I’m also not able to concentrate on work after experiencing the Euphoria…although a bit of sun here and there actually aids in concentration…
At the beach my family looks like a traveling kabuki troupe.Replies: @anon, @El Dato
I think either one nice day not-on-line weekly or at least a couple of trips into the pristine woods each year can do wonders. I don't harass anyone about it, but I say "let's go shooting" or "let's go hiking", along with some other outdoor hobbies. I'll go myself, if everyone's gonna be a stick-in-the-mud.Replies: @El Dato, @AnotherDad, @Angular momentum
YES!
Vitamin D doping is a well established supplemental regimen for athletes, as shown by German scientists in the 1930s.
This is the case of modern man having to reinvent research from the Third Reich.
Evidence at the time also pointed to close exposure to unshielded fluorescent lighting being the likelier cause of malignant melanoma.
More recently, a Lew Rockwell.com article had a link to a U.S. Government site that showed the hours of UV[B] penetration thru the atmosphere anywhere in the World.
Yeppoon, Queensland, gets an unbelievable amount of UV[B], and the fishing's not bad there, either.
I like the outdoors, but like you, I hate being in the sun. A dreary, overcast, windless day puts me in a good mood.
Who HASN’T closed their eyes, turned their face to the sun, and felt better?
The last time I felt euphoric was when I swam a few lengths in a very cold umheated outdoor pool. After coming out of the pool, I must have grinned all day. I think it’s about bringing your body into its wilder ancestral state, outside of the air-conditioned centrally heated blandness civilisation imposes on us.
This might be why in countries like Finland which have miserable weather, they rebalance themselves with saunas and cold plunges and hitting themselves with birch twigs. Anything to escape the civilisational cabin fever.
I used to do this several times a week in Berkeley, at UC's Strawberry Canyon pool. It was the only one of the campus pools that was kept cold. Then around '08 the idiots decided to warm it like the others. Strangely enough, this occurred in the midst of a money-saving kick in which the pool hours were sharply cut back. It's things like this that ensure I never donate a dollar to the U.
The late Seth Roberts wrote a number of interesting blog posts about taking vitamin D3 supplements. I do not take them anymore because I want to be as natural as I can, but when I took 6,000-8,000 IU of vitamin D3 in the afternoon I felt the same sensation I got after being outside all day on a nice day.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/11/30/book-review-inadequate-equilibria/
Well, the late John Denver certainly thought so.
But the again he also thought the same thing about the Rocky Mountains.
But sunshine in the Rocky Mountains must be close to heaven.
Go right to the source and ask the horse:
It's a tad onerous, unless you change your schedule to iSteve time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MbPWzIFUk
BTW, Mike, how 'bout those Commies on the Fred Reed thread? I wouldn't have believed there are people that haven't learned from 100 years of dismal history if I hadn't read it with my own two eyes.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hockamaw, @Reg Cæsar, @Dieter Kief
I’d be more willing to accept your explanation of Steve’s moderation habits if I didn’t see entire conversations taking place between other commenters while mine sits in Purgatory. That means initials volleys of comments are approved, then replies to those initials comments, and then a second round of replies, before my initial comment appears at number 11, but there are already 128 comments and everyone is presumably clicking on the “## new” link to the latest comments.
I have a voice darn it, and it needs to be heard.
As far as Kiko’s discussion – yeah it just goes to show that communism is little more than a version of Central American Indian religious mega-mass sacrifice. Die hard commies will sing the Soviet NA while a priest cuts his still beating heart out of his chest and shows it to him before he eats it. I give you credit for engaging them; I’ve long since lost the patience.
What I don't know is, how you get to that status. Do you need to leave a real email? Maybe, you never cuss, use the term "beaner", or any number of other things that makes someone think you may really go off the rails when the unz people are asleep.
Yes, indeed, Mike, one can be left out of the conversation entirely, if lots of it takes place in the morning (CA time). Then there are 120 comments, but your one at # 18 may likely not be read.
About the Commie Commentators:I've kinda enjoyed it. ;-}Replies: @Mike Tre
You could get a solar flare, or other hot flash, from watching Gustafer Yellowgold.
I read it … but honestly it didn’t do much for me.
That must be why blacks like to let the good times roll.
They are used to all that sun in Africa.
“are you getting high to the Sun?”
— Daedalus
Good grief! Steve, get a grip. Enjoy your skin cancers and melanomas.
My folks, born in 1918 and 1920, did all they could do outside. My father worked in aircraft maintenance and experimental aircraft requiring many hours in the sun. In Hawaii during the Korean war we went to the beach all we could. One of my earliest memories, about 1950, is my father having a cancer removed from his face. When my mother died in 2015 her nose was a wreck. Cancers removed yearly the last ten years or so.
I haven’t been to the beach or other outdoor activity without being covered like a woman in an early 1920’s bathing suit since 1965. And I am a guy. And neither were my children.
Oy. We should all have such problems.
I think either one nice day not-on-line weekly or at least a couple of trips into the pristine woods each year can do wonders. I don't harass anyone about it, but I say "let's go shooting" or "let's go hiking", along with some other outdoor hobbies. I'll go myself, if everyone's gonna be a stick-in-the-mud.Replies: @El Dato, @AnotherDad, @Angular momentum
Well said A.E.N. On target all the way around. The world outside is part of “who we are”.
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BTW, I wonder if this isn’t particularly true for white people. As I was going to point out in the Amazon post a few days back that brought up city living, European cities were population sinks. So white people–gentiles–are mostly the evolved from the most successfully farmers–the kind who would bang out eight or ten kids and keep 4-8 of ’em alive to breed. Those sort of folks were particularly in touch with their land, the weather, the seasons. More so I think than people in more tropical, less seasonal, climes. And very appreciative of the sun coming out, after winter or after a rainy spell with the promise of good growth from the land and a bountiful harvest.
BTW–just for the record, i’m not a sun worshipper. Don’t sunbathe. But i do very much like getting outside.
Yes, they lift up my spirit. But only the ones without the fats+tats.
The fats+tats ones honestly depress me in the “how the hell did my nation end up like this?” way that is now an unpleasantly common thought.
What's to figure out?
As for Vitamin D, Europeans evolved to produce it from what sun was available, Sun people can't do that in our lands. Result - the Guardian moaning about "austerity has brought back rickets" when we've actually imported it (along with TB). South Asian women covering up their skin probably doesn't help either.If you look at world suicide rates in the context of sun the picture is surprising. Where's Finland? #27. Doesn't seem to fit at all with the relatively low suicide rates of black Americans.1 Guyana
2 Lesotho
3 Russia
4 Lithuania
5 Suriname
6 Cote d'Ivoire
7 Kazakhstan
8 Equatorial Guinea
9 Belarus
10 South Korea
11 Uganda
12 Cameroon
13 Zimbabwe
14 Ukraine
15 Nigeria
16 Latvia
17 Swaziland
18 Togo
19 India
19 Uruguay
21 Sierra Leone
22 Benin
22 Belgium
24 Chad
25 KiribatiReplies: @ben tillman
Some people seem to be addicted to tanning.
A current friend from England looks like a piece of fried bacon. She has spent years on the beach, nearly every single day during the nice months, with the same group of friends, who all look like fried pieces of bacon. They gather in the same spot every time, just as the sun is approaching its zenith, and they stay all day.
There must be something true to the expression, “Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun.”
When all the citizens retire to tear their clothes off and perspire.
It's one of the rules that the greatest fools obey,
Because the sun is much too sultry
And one must avoid its ultry-violet ray.
The natives grieve when the white men leave their huts,
Because they're obviously, definitely nuts!Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun,
The Japanese don´t care to, the Chinese wouldn´t dare to,
Hindus and Argentines sleep firmly from twelve to one
But Englishmen detest-a siesta.
In the Philippines they have lovely screens to protect you from the glare.
In the Malay States, there are hats like plates which the Britishers won't wear.
At twelve noon the natives swoon and no further work is done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.It's such a surprise for the Eastern eyes to see,
that though the English are effete, they're quite impervious to heat,
When the white man rides every native hides in glee,
Because the simple creatures hope he will impale his solar topee on a tree.
It seems such a shame when the English claim the earth,
They give rise to such hilarity and mirth.
Ha ha ha ha hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee hee hee ......Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The toughest Burmese bandit can never understand it.
In Rangoon the heat of noon is just what the natives shun,
They put their Scotch or Rye down, and lie down.
In a jungle town where the sun beats down to the rage of man and beast
The English garb of the English sahib merely gets a bit more creased.
In Bangkok at twelve o'clock they foam at the mouth and run,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The smallest Malay rabbit deplores this foolish habit.
In Hong Kong they strike a gong and fire off a noonday gun,
To reprimand each inmate who's in late.
In the mangrove swamps where the python romps
there is peace from twelve till two.
Even caribous lie around and snooze, for there's nothing else to do.
In Bengal to move at all is seldom ever done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
Probably:
I grew up in the Deep South and moved to Chicago several years ago. I got terrible SAD that is only helped by going to the tanning bed, which I never had to do back home.
Rumors: coup in Haiti, possible US involvement. No news sites but several twitter feeds report violence.
https://twitter.com/HaitiInfoProj/status/1062861818253606913
Hopefully this is a hoax but it is claimed that the unusually aggressive and preventable California wildfires happen to overlap the proposed location of a high speed rail system. This can’t be true because it requires that Californian bureaucracy would do something to build a high speed rail system.
https://postimg.cc/LYFph7Qy
This might be why in countries like Finland which have miserable weather, they rebalance themselves with saunas and cold plunges and hitting themselves with birch twigs. Anything to escape the civilisational cabin fever.Replies: @Marty
very cold umheated outdoor pool
I used to do this several times a week in Berkeley, at UC’s Strawberry Canyon pool. It was the only one of the campus pools that was kept cold. Then around ’08 the idiots decided to warm it like the others. Strangely enough, this occurred in the midst of a money-saving kick in which the pool hours were sharply cut back. It’s things like this that ensure I never donate a dollar to the U.
I’ll try harder.
Famous sun worshipers, who also struggled with depression, include Teddy Roosevelt, Hemingway, Churchill and JFK, the later who said the sun made him feel healthy and attractive. Hell, even the Dutchman FDR looks downright mulatto in some pictures, as do Lincoln and Picasso.
I tend not to want to go back to work if I take a stroll in the sun. But maybe that’s the weed.
https://youtu.be/b5aQ2dLzzXs
But the again he also thought the same thing about the Rocky Mountains.
https://youtu.be/k_WyUwNPOzQ
But sunshine in the Rocky Mountains must be close to heaven.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Only because it’s the cure for rickets.
Sunscreen is poison. At least the newer types that disappear when rubbed in. The aerosols are the worst and I want to punch every obnoxious clod that has gassed my lungs with that crap. Stick to zinc oxide and titanium dioxide.
At the beach my family looks like a traveling kabuki troupe.
That didn't last long.
Also the Dalkon Shield and the Copper 7 IUDs were banned, but have since returned under other names.
Just thought i'd mention that, noticing these things will be antisemitism soon.
I don't know whether worrying all too much about that is worth it.
https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/Brutal.
I have a voice darn it, and it needs to be heard.
As far as Kiko's discussion - yeah it just goes to show that communism is little more than a version of Central American Indian religious mega-mass sacrifice. Die hard commies will sing the Soviet NA while a priest cuts his still beating heart out of his chest and shows it to him before he eats it. I give you credit for engaging them; I've long since lost the patience.Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Alarmist, @Jim Don Bob
Certain commenters are auto-approved. I don’t know if they donate or Steve just likes them, but their stuff generally shows up without moderation. Also Herr Sailer has blocks of time which he forgets to review for a while. If your comments show up at all, they’ve probably not been delayed out of antipathy to you.
It's a tad onerous, unless you change your schedule to iSteve time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MbPWzIFUk
BTW, Mike, how 'bout those Commies on the Fred Reed thread? I wouldn't have believed there are people that haven't learned from 100 years of dismal history if I hadn't read it with my own two eyes.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hockamaw, @Reg Cæsar, @Dieter Kief
That video was really great.
OK, more Don Williams ("my 2nd favorite country singer" - Jerry Reed):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lEjifkxO3E
I have a voice darn it, and it needs to be heard.
As far as Kiko's discussion - yeah it just goes to show that communism is little more than a version of Central American Indian religious mega-mass sacrifice. Die hard commies will sing the Soviet NA while a priest cuts his still beating heart out of his chest and shows it to him before he eats it. I give you credit for engaging them; I've long since lost the patience.Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Alarmist, @Jim Don Bob
Ooops, sorry, Mike, I forgot to include the rest of my theory, based on observations. I’ve seen the exact same, and I think these posters are “trusted commenters” whose comments make it into the database as live ones right away, no matter what time of day.
What I don’t know is, how you get to that status. Do you need to leave a real email? Maybe, you never cuss, use the term “beaner”, or any number of other things that makes someone think you may really go off the rails when the unz people are asleep.
Yes, indeed, Mike, one can be left out of the conversation entirely, if lots of it takes place in the morning (CA time). Then there are 120 comments, but your one at # 18 may likely not be read.
About the Commie Commentators:
I’ve kinda enjoyed it. ;-}
And yeah, I can tell you do. :)
Tijuana citizens will march tomorrow Saturday 9AM UTC-08 to protest against migrants. It is called “Movimiento ciudadano contra el caos de La Caravana Migrante” (Citizen movement against the migrant caravan)
It's like one of those color revolutions where one finds someone handing out cookies underneath a veil of noise & dust.Replies: @J.Ross
https://twitter.com/HaitiInfoProj/status/1062861818253606913
Hopefully this is a hoax but it is claimed that the unusually aggressive and preventable California wildfires happen to overlap the proposed location of a high speed rail system. This can't be true because it requires that Californian bureaucracy would do something to build a high speed rail system.
https://postimg.cc/LYFph7QyReplies: @Steve Sailer
The killer Camp Fire in Paradise, CA is far away from any possible high speed rail route.
I often semi-jokingly refer to that fiery orb as “our enemy The Sun.” I prefer to sit in the shade, thanks.
I’ve always liked cold weather. I may have even offended someone once when I said I felt bad for kids growing up in Florida who never got the opportunity to play in the snow. To me , even as an adult, snow is happy and I love taking walks in the woods not knowing if I’ll come out covered head to toe in drifted snow. But I agree that even in the middle of winter, my outdoor time is much more enjoyable if the sun is shining brightly.
I’m familiar with the endorphin high that comes from exercise, but i can’t remember ever feeling it while indoors or on a cloudy day. I’m not sure if they’re related or if I just don’t enjoy cloudy days enough to really get moving.
Retinal dopamine is a as good a candidate as any. After all most euphoric and addictive drugs come down to dopamine one way or another. Bright light stimulates the production of dopamine in the eye itself.
> Retinal dopamine is normally produced on a diurnal cycle — ramping up during the day — and it tells the eye to switch from rod-based, nighttime vision to cone-based, daytime vision.
https://www.nature.com/news/the-myopia-boom-1.17120
If the hypothesis is true, the operative point of influence isn’t the skin. So, we can wear sunscreen and still get the euphoric benefits of being out in the sun. But it would mean that we should probably stop wearing sunglasses.
It would also mean that dark eyed people need higher levels of sun than light eyed people. (Which is in line with evidence showing light eyed people being less prone to Seasonal Affective Disorder.) One Sailer-ish consideration is that the relocation of dark-eyed populations (like Somalis and Salvadorans) to Northern latitudes (like Sweden and Minnesota) may have disastrous consequences on those population’s mental health.
Was a sunny day.
Not a cloud was in the sky.
Not a negative word was heard
from the people passing by.
It’s from There Goes Rhymin’ Simon.
BTW, there’s some remake playing of his old song America (not American Tune). Needless to say, it sucks.
Those commenters are members of the Jesuit Order.
I’m glad you watched it. People may think Eric Clapton wrote that song.
OK, more Don Williams (“my 2nd favorite country singer” – Jerry Reed):
Steve Bannon at the Oxford Union. Good stuff.
https://americanmind.org/essays/our-revolutions-logic/
LOL
Not a cloud was in the sky.
Not a negative word was heard
from the people passing by.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz9o3tf9lmk
It's from There Goes Rhymin' Simon.
BTW, there's some remake playing of his old song America (not American Tune). Needless to say, it sucks.Replies: @Anon
>What’s the biochemical cause of tanning euphoria?
There are two:
First, sun exposure increases endorphin levels. See: Hugo A. Tejeda, Antonello Bonci, Shedding “UV” Light on Endogenous Opioid Dependence
Cell, Volume 157, Issue 7, 19 June 2014, Pages 1500-1501
Second, sun exposure increases blood levels of a chemical called urocanic acid. (Indeed, named after dog piss, from which it was first isolated.) Urocanic acid crosses the blood brain barrier, and has mild psychoactive effects, via its effects on glutaminergic and GABA(A) receptors. Basically, it’s a mild stimulant.
A random hypothesis to throw out:
Europeans evolved at a relative extreme of latitude, more extreme than any culture other than, say, the Inuit. Florence Italy and Portland Oregon are at approximately the same latitude, strange as that may seem. As such we have evolved with a much greater swing between the amount of daylight in the summer and the winter. Hence we have to some extent evolved to trigger seasonally appropriate behaviors based on light level.
For example: no light in the winter. Also, no food. And no real prospects for growing food or foraging. So, best survival strategy is to become depressed and sleep all the time and expend very little energy and do nothing and wait it out until summer comes. Hence, seasonal affective disorder.
On the other hand: lots of light during the summer. Best survival strategy is to become borderline manic, planting, harvesting, eating, building, etc., while the days are warm and long, before winter comes again. Hence, the high people get from tanning boxes, vacations to sunny places, etc.
It this hypothesis were true lower-latitude derived populations would have lower rates of seasonal affective disorder, despite actually suffering worse health effects from winter (from vitamin D deficiency.)
Portland or 45.51
I googled it cuz I thought you must be wrong.
I’d be interested in seeing SAD rates for refugees and immigrants in Scandinavia. Iirc there was a study of SAD on various college students , and African exchange students had a lower rate of classic SAD, but a higher rate of summer SAD. That certainly points to SAD being a half assed version of hibernation.
SAD rates may be much higher than we think. Unless it starts at say puberty or early adulthood, there is a fish in water effect. I was pretty old before I figured out that not everyone became down and listless in the winter. Everyone in my family did. I thought it was as much a normal part of winter as the cold.
I live in the Bay Area and after a week and a half of smoke, I am downright depressed. It is so dark in the mid day that I feel like a caravan of (Honduran) orcs are about to invade. And so it begins. And it is not just Chinese mailmen that are wearing masks. There is a high pressure system that is pushing the entire plume of smoke through the Golden Gate. The whole state is praying for rain.
This is as good an explanation for Australians as I’ve ever heard.
Don’t forget Clark Gable, who was reportedly sometimes described as ”black”, and rarely, allegedly ”practically a man of color”.
What I don't know is, how you get to that status. Do you need to leave a real email? Maybe, you never cuss, use the term "beaner", or any number of other things that makes someone think you may really go off the rails when the unz people are asleep.
Yes, indeed, Mike, one can be left out of the conversation entirely, if lots of it takes place in the morning (CA time). Then there are 120 comments, but your one at # 18 may likely not be read.
About the Commie Commentators:I've kinda enjoyed it. ;-}Replies: @Mike Tre
Hopefully my complaints come across as lighthearted as I intend, as I don’t want to poke the bear too hard in his own cave.
And yeah, I can tell you do. 🙂
My folks, born in 1918 and 1920, did all they could do outside. My father worked in aircraft maintenance and experimental aircraft requiring many hours in the sun. In Hawaii during the Korean war we went to the beach all we could. One of my earliest memories, about 1950, is my father having a cancer removed from his face. When my mother died in 2015 her nose was a wreck. Cancers removed yearly the last ten years or so.
I haven't been to the beach or other outdoor activity without being covered like a woman in an early 1920's bathing suit since 1965. And I am a guy. And neither were my children.Replies: @fred c dobbs
Not to be disrespectful, but nose or not…….your mother lived to @ age 95?
Oy. We should all have such problems.
The fats+tats ones honestly depress me in the "how the hell did my nation end up like this?" way that is now an unpleasantly common thought.Replies: @anon, @Clyde, @YetAnotherAnon
Sun = Bikinis = High.
What’s to figure out?
Our hunter-gatherer ancestors, as well as our farmer ancestors, must have been higher than a kite. However, I’d like to point out that taking a noon siesta is pretty common among European peasant cultures, which gets you out of the worst of the light and heat. In fact, a nap at that time would do a lot to tamp down hypomania.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AtOw-xyMo8Replies: @MB
Enjoy hearing Bannon speak, but a couple of caveats.
1. Donald went to Riyad before Jerusalem or Rome because he wants to help Islamic nations stop terrorism. Huh? The Saudi’s aren’t funding Wahhabism? And the CIA wasn’t behind Isis (Al Quaeda in Iraq)?
2. Fascism is not worship of the state per se It’s state control of the economy via cartels, regulations etc. Communism is direct state ownership. But it’s all socialism, which eventually has to become violent totalitarian if equal outcomes – note bene, not equal opportunity – is to prevail.
But yeah, the elites are a problem, though Codevilla is a little more measured in his analysis.
https://americanmind.org/essays/our-revolutions-logic/
Cell, Volume 157, Issue 7, 19 June 2014, Pages 1500-1501Second, sun exposure increases blood levels of a chemical called urocanic acid. (Indeed, named after dog piss, from which it was first isolated.) Urocanic acid crosses the blood brain barrier, and has mild psychoactive effects, via its effects on glutaminergic and GABA(A) receptors. Basically, it's a mild stimulant.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Thanks.
I think either one nice day not-on-line weekly or at least a couple of trips into the pristine woods each year can do wonders. I don't harass anyone about it, but I say "let's go shooting" or "let's go hiking", along with some other outdoor hobbies. I'll go myself, if everyone's gonna be a stick-in-the-mud.Replies: @El Dato, @AnotherDad, @Angular momentum
I, and just about every other white person I know are just as bad (as far as harassing people to go outside). Which is why I think it is such an accurate and funny observation.
This is the case of modern man having to reinvent research from the Third Reich.Replies: @anon, @Autochthon
Dr. Zane Kime wrote a book titled Sunlight Can Save Your Life in the 1980s, Finsen won the Nobel Prize in 1903 for successfully treating TB with sunlight.
Evidence at the time also pointed to close exposure to unshielded fluorescent lighting being the likelier cause of malignant melanoma.
More recently, a Lew Rockwell.com article had a link to a U.S. Government site that showed the hours of UV[B] penetration thru the atmosphere anywhere in the World.
Yeppoon, Queensland, gets an unbelievable amount of UV[B], and the fishing’s not bad there, either.
What about the opposite effect of sun exposure? I recall my time in Alaska and getting a sort of cabin fever during the long winter months. Shortly thereafter I came back to the lower 48 and could not get enough of the sun, and especially its warmth upon my skin.
It's a tad onerous, unless you change your schedule to iSteve time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MbPWzIFUk
BTW, Mike, how 'bout those Commies on the Fred Reed thread? I wouldn't have believed there are people that haven't learned from 100 years of dismal history if I hadn't read it with my own two eyes.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hockamaw, @Reg Cæsar, @Dieter Kief
Betcha can’t tell me who is the president of the country with the most time zones. And I bet Derb could, without looking it up.
The warmth of a pale northern woman is just as uplifting. Ask any Finn.
At the beach my family looks like a traveling kabuki troupe.Replies: @anon, @El Dato
I remember Methyl Paraben being banned from sunscreen in the 1970s because cancer.
That didn’t last long.
Also the Dalkon Shield and the Copper 7 IUDs were banned, but have since returned under other names.
Just thought i’d mention that, noticing these things will be antisemitism soon.
Spending any time around Californians or Floridians, you’ll notice they really like the sun. Always wondered if this is a byproduct of growing up in one of these places, or if the residents tend to self-sort. Same with Vegas and Arizona.
Also notice lots of manic, zany personalities in these places, along with a high degree of openness to new experience, particularly in women. Travel to somewhere slightly less sunny, and the shift in personalities is noticeable.
Having to avoid starving and freezing for half the year tends to remove the ditzy airheads from the population.
For a long time I’ve noticed something missing from this blog. I couldn’t quite put my finger on it yet some essential yet indescribable ingredient has gone missing for at least a few years. Then, suddenly, I figured it out.
What happened to all the smart people?
Europeans evolved at a relative extreme of latitude, more extreme than any culture other than, say, the Inuit. Florence Italy and Portland Oregon are at approximately the same latitude, strange as that may seem. As such we have evolved with a much greater swing between the amount of daylight in the summer and the winter. Hence we have to some extent evolved to trigger seasonally appropriate behaviors based on light level.
For example: no light in the winter. Also, no food. And no real prospects for growing food or foraging. So, best survival strategy is to become depressed and sleep all the time and expend very little energy and do nothing and wait it out until summer comes. Hence, seasonal affective disorder.
On the other hand: lots of light during the summer. Best survival strategy is to become borderline manic, planting, harvesting, eating, building, etc., while the days are warm and long, before winter comes again. Hence, the high people get from tanning boxes, vacations to sunny places, etc.
It this hypothesis were true lower-latitude derived populations would have lower rates of seasonal affective disorder, despite actually suffering worse health effects from winter (from vitamin D deficiency.)Replies: @Anonymous, @rob
Europe has an oceanic climate due to the Gulf Stream, which is why it has relatively mild winters and summers with less variation despite its latitude. Continental climates produce very cold winters and very hot summers in the same area.
> Retinal dopamine is normally produced on a diurnal cycle — ramping up during the day — and it tells the eye to switch from rod-based, nighttime vision to cone-based, daytime vision.
https://www.nature.com/news/the-myopia-boom-1.17120
If the hypothesis is true, the operative point of influence isn't the skin. So, we can wear sunscreen and still get the euphoric benefits of being out in the sun. But it would mean that we should probably stop wearing sunglasses.
It would also mean that dark eyed people need higher levels of sun than light eyed people. (Which is in line with evidence showing light eyed people being less prone to Seasonal Affective Disorder.) One Sailer-ish consideration is that the relocation of dark-eyed populations (like Somalis and Salvadorans) to Northern latitudes (like Sweden and Minnesota) may have disastrous consequences on those population's mental health.Replies: @Steve Sailer
High rates of Somali mental illness in Minnesota is a thing.
Last line of the Miami Herald article:https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article221842140.html
https://www.twincities.com/2018/11/17/chipotle-manager-at-grand-ave-restaurant-fired-over-viral-video-incident
https://twitter.com/ChipotleTweets/status/1063898467817480193Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @J.Ross
Dirty old man
No wonder white girls prefer Men of Color
white males are perverts
Are you some kind of japanese schoolgirl?
What happened to all the smart people?Replies: @Mr. Anon
I note it has only been a few years that you have been frequenting this blog.
Wypipo are sun people. Sun people are not wypipo.
This sounds like a wimpy version of Purple Haze.
Poor love has to - lighten up the burden, westerners have to carry through because they were so foolish and weak at times, that the wound up way to high in the north. - The tragic of the white people: Their fate is, to survive in unhealthy places such as The Black Forest and - even worse, the steigerwald and the Harz and Northrhine Westphalia, not to mention the Netherlands and depression breeding places like Denmark etc.
The sun alway helps, tht's why love is so big there, and that's I guess, why they have kids, that are geniusses if it comes to sweet smiles...
PS
The Purple Haze parallel I don't quite get though. - Do you mean Hendrix' Purple Haze. At least that's what I thought, and what I, as I said, don't get. Very nice song that above, thanks.
The fats+tats ones honestly depress me in the "how the hell did my nation end up like this?" way that is now an unpleasantly common thought.Replies: @anon, @Clyde, @YetAnotherAnon
Agree w your fats + tats comment. Past a certain point their (young people) tattoos are lowering their IQs. Worst thing about tattoos all over is they lock you into a certain persona. Makes it harder to make a positive change and elevate. Tattoos and rap/hip hop are culture destroying, we are a long way downward from where Elvis was condemned for shaking his hips to his “Negro” music.
Which is stupid of course.
It's a tad onerous, unless you change your schedule to iSteve time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MbPWzIFUk
BTW, Mike, how 'bout those Commies on the Fred Reed thread? I wouldn't have believed there are people that haven't learned from 100 years of dismal history if I hadn't read it with my own two eyes.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Hockamaw, @Reg Cæsar, @Dieter Kief
They didn’t want to sing in public in the old days while sitting down, for the fear of getting hit to easily with whatever there was; it wasn’t all bad in those days, or was it?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y46JUxeib8Replies: @El Dato
Is there anything new about caravan funding & organization.
It’s like one of those color revolutions where one finds someone handing out cookies underneath a veil of noise & dust.
US or Russia…But There is a total bs weasley answer to your question. Yes I looked it up. But who cares about them because it’s all wogs east of Calais.
The "US or Russia" aren't presidents of anything, as far as I know. But maybe there's a treaty, compact, or NGO somewhere that would accept a whole country as its president. There are quite a few organizations which only take other organizations as members.
Here is the "weasley" answer:
https://assets.popbuzz.com/2016/51/weasley-slytherin-1482146782-list-handheld-0.pngReplies: @Clyde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYjI7S8pEZUReplies: @Dieter Kief
Definitely no work of a genius, but – – nice. Owes quite bit to the middle ages ff. – singing in monasteries and churches etc. Chorals.
Poor love has to – lighten up the burden, westerners have to carry through because they were so foolish and weak at times, that the wound up way to high in the north. – The tragic of the white people: Their fate is, to survive in unhealthy places such as The Black Forest and – even worse, the steigerwald and the Harz and Northrhine Westphalia, not to mention the Netherlands and depression breeding places like Denmark etc.
The sun alway helps, tht’s why love is so big there, and that’s I guess, why they have kids, that are geniusses if it comes to sweet smiles…
PS
The Purple Haze parallel I don’t quite get though. – Do you mean Hendrix’ Purple Haze. At least that’s what I thought, and what I, as I said, don’t get. Very nice song that above, thanks.
At the beach my family looks like a traveling kabuki troupe.Replies: @anon, @El Dato
Many animals died to bring you the chemical formula. Should be moderately safe.
I don’t know whether worrying all too much about that is worth it.
https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/the-trouble-with-sunscreen-chemicals/
Brutal.
No wonder white girls prefer Men of Color
white males are pervertsReplies: @El Dato, @Redneck farmer, @anon
> white males are perverts
Are you some kind of japanese schoolgirl?
This is a tough one.
Of course you can get a mild euphoria from sun exposure or UV light in a tanning bed. Otherwise you would not have all these female tanning addicts. Whose ranks seem diminished these days as people stay more indoors to gaze on various LED screens.
As far as I am concerned having salt ocean water to dip into all day as I expose to sun is what makes it. I have not been able to do it in years but salt plus sun all day put me into euphoria and feeling much better than the day before. Much of the sun exposure was done under a sun shade or umbrella. I was not on full roast which gives you cancer.
I have a voice darn it, and it needs to be heard.
As far as Kiko's discussion - yeah it just goes to show that communism is little more than a version of Central American Indian religious mega-mass sacrifice. Die hard commies will sing the Soviet NA while a priest cuts his still beating heart out of his chest and shows it to him before he eats it. I give you credit for engaging them; I've long since lost the patience.Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Alarmist, @Jim Don Bob
And every vote must be counted, even those not legitimate 😉
Yep. Here’s another link for you on the effects of vitamin D deficiency on mood.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-breakthrough-depression-solution/201111/psychological-consequences-vitamin-d-deficiency
Also notice lots of manic, zany personalities in these places, along with a high degree of openness to new experience, particularly in women. Travel to somewhere slightly less sunny, and the shift in personalities is noticeable.Replies: @Anonym
Also notice lots of manic, zany personalities in these places, along with a high degree of openness to new experience, particularly in women. Travel to somewhere slightly less sunny, and the shift in personalities is noticeable.
Having to avoid starving and freezing for half the year tends to remove the ditzy airheads from the population.
The fats+tats ones honestly depress me in the "how the hell did my nation end up like this?" way that is now an unpleasantly common thought.Replies: @anon, @Clyde, @YetAnotherAnon
“how the hell did my nation end up like this?”
Working class family at the seaside, not obese, no obvious tats, daughter (aged about 12) sporting a t-shirt with a slogan (sans asterisks).
“F*** off – I’m fussy”
Back on topic, in the UK the sunbed and the “get outdoors” demographics have pretty much zero crossover. Tanning salons tend to concentrate in the parts of towns with nail bars and cheap fried chicken.
As for Vitamin D, Europeans evolved to produce it from what sun was available, Sun people can’t do that in our lands. Result – the Guardian moaning about “austerity has brought back rickets” when we’ve actually imported it (along with TB). South Asian women covering up their skin probably doesn’t help either.
If you look at world suicide rates in the context of sun the picture is surprising. Where’s Finland? #27. Doesn’t seem to fit at all with the relatively low suicide rates of black Americans.
1 Guyana
2 Lesotho
3 Russia
4 Lithuania
5 Suriname
6 Cote d’Ivoire
7 Kazakhstan
8 Equatorial Guinea
9 Belarus
10 South Korea
11 Uganda
12 Cameroon
13 Zimbabwe
14 Ukraine
15 Nigeria
16 Latvia
17 Swaziland
18 Togo
19 India
19 Uruguay
21 Sierra Leone
22 Benin
22 Belgium
24 Chad
25 Kiribati
Not sure if it is related, but I noticed I get this same feeling from being in front of a fire.
Is there some infrared or heat absorption thing going on?
Animals like the sun and fires too.
What about saunas?
More nonsense from cull-the-population elites trying to get people out of the sun. It’s good for you. Go out in it regularly. Don’t burn yourself.
Minnesota Somalis who were ‘customers’ cause Chipotle to fire a St. Paul location manager for refusing them service. Turns out the Somalis had previously bragged on Twitter about multiple food theft scams. Read the Chipotle Twitter thread for screenshots of Masud Ali’s past tweets.
Last line of the Miami Herald article:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article221842140.html
https://www.twincities.com/2018/11/17/chipotle-manager-at-grand-ave-restaurant-fired-over-viral-video-incident
Maybe others who write her too.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
Only needs about ten thousand more signatures.
Think about it, won't you?
https://www.standunited.org/petition/boycott-chipotleReplies: @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross
In Iceland they party and drink a lot in winter. In summer they get outdoors.
As our host pointed out the Limeys were better imperialists than us, because they had to take over places with better weather than Old Blighty.
No wonder white girls prefer Men of Color
white males are pervertsReplies: @El Dato, @Redneck farmer, @anon
It’s called heterosexuality, Tiny. You might try it.
Hear hear. I am English, and I love the sun. God knows we get little enough of it – the main problem here is not rain, but overcast days – although summer 2018 was an exception. But when I go out in the sun, noonday or otherwise, I have my Panama hat, or, for trekking in the mountains, my Tilly hat. But I haven’t been able to see the point of deliberate tanning since about 1985. This year my son and I backpacked over the mountains of Corsica in blazing heat and sunshine and managed to suffer neither sunburn nor sunstroke, simply by wearing the right clothing. But, yes, I love sunshine, and sunshine almost all the time makes me high.
What’s wrong with the odd melanoma if it gets us all out of a coma?
Sunshine is one of those things, like beef or cheese, that is now too much vilified by those Puritanical who would have everyone exist for one hundred years rather than truly live for sixty or so. I’m not endorsing tanning salons or anything that foolish, but put on some sunscreen and go for a run every day if you want to.
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/855692879750209536Replies: @Anon7
Ray Bradbury tried another take on this idea in his 1950 short story The Long Rain. In the story, men trying to colonize Venus are having problems with the rain, which falls eternally on Venus. They construct “Sun Domes” (which are kind of like tanning rooms) as places of refuge, when that gray rain sends them into suicidal despair.
This story (originally published as Death-by-Rain) was collected in The Illustrated Man the following year.
This is the case of modern man having to reinvent research from the Third Reich.Replies: @anon, @Autochthon
A nurse was administering injections of Vitamin B at a marathon I ran, so I got one. It’s the shizzle. Prince Nelson was known to get injected with Vitamin B before performing (please, no tasteless jokes about his problems with drugs).
Vitamin D is actually involved in dopamine production.
We can start there
This is why you go up to the top of the post and click on the “nn new” comments link.
In the early 20th Century, there was a fad of taking patent medicine containing radium. The article I read (I think it was one of those front-page WSJ “human interest” stories) noted that exposure to low levels of radiation provokes an immune system response that makes one feel more vigorous. In the long run, many devotees of radium water developed cancer. The guru of radium treatments (don’t recall his name) lived a long life but supposedly they exhumed his bones later on and they made the Geiger counter go crazy.
Don’t think they wouldn’t love to fund a high speed rail to Alturas if they thought it would mean more votes.
I spoke about this with a few male friends, and there was a surprisingly strong correlation between sun aversion and modal mood. So, for example, I am a naturally very cheerful, happy, gregarious, and optimistic guy. I have the “sunny disposition”, as it were, of the stereotypical jolly fat guy (unless I am on a diet, in which case, to hell with everyone). I think a hard and cold-blooded analysis of the political prospects for our future warrants a lot of gloom and pessimism, but I almost have to constantly struggle to remind myself to feel that way: I can’t help it. (This seems the opposite of a depressive trying to convince themselves that things really aren’t as bad or hopeless as they feel them to be.)
And, like I said above, I have always really hated the sun, and getting too much sun in a day really seems to put something discomforting in my bloodstream. My physiological climatic home is probably Scotland or the Pacific Northwest, and when I lived near Seattle, unlike many of my colleagues, I was immune to seasonal affective disorder.
Meanwhile, my more morose and taciturn friends really do seem to get high off the sun.
Wild speculation: could this be a homeostasis thing? They like the sun, because they don’t have enough of the products of whatever biochemical reaction it sets off. Meanwhile, I’ve already got plenty of happy juice (so long as I get my carbs – pasta is my prozac), and if I get sun, then I’ll get “too much” of it?
One potential argument against this guess is that while it seems to work for the men, it doesn’t seem to line up very well for the women in my life.
Being happy is the perfect retort.
A lot of guys used to work out on deck w/o their shirts . I never did . Year after year and your skin looks like leather by the time you’re in your 40’s . On the other hand I never wear sunglasses .
Lugash recommends healthy doses of Vitamin T and Vitamin A to all his athletes!
Lack of sunlight is harmful, no doubt about it. Getting some sun usually involves other things like walking, sport and getting out of a non-stimulating house or office environment. I work in a fairly typical corporate environment, and I’ve noticed over the years that ‘time away from desk’ is getting more and more rare. Training and meetings are almost always done over Skype, even when we’re all in the same building and a quick huddle in a conference room would be better and a good break.
Europeans evolved at a relative extreme of latitude, more extreme than any culture other than, say, the Inuit. Florence Italy and Portland Oregon are at approximately the same latitude, strange as that may seem. As such we have evolved with a much greater swing between the amount of daylight in the summer and the winter. Hence we have to some extent evolved to trigger seasonally appropriate behaviors based on light level.
For example: no light in the winter. Also, no food. And no real prospects for growing food or foraging. So, best survival strategy is to become depressed and sleep all the time and expend very little energy and do nothing and wait it out until summer comes. Hence, seasonal affective disorder.
On the other hand: lots of light during the summer. Best survival strategy is to become borderline manic, planting, harvesting, eating, building, etc., while the days are warm and long, before winter comes again. Hence, the high people get from tanning boxes, vacations to sunny places, etc.
It this hypothesis were true lower-latitude derived populations would have lower rates of seasonal affective disorder, despite actually suffering worse health effects from winter (from vitamin D deficiency.)Replies: @Anonymous, @rob
Florence 43.77
Portland or 45.51
I googled it cuz I thought you must be wrong.
I’d be interested in seeing SAD rates for refugees and immigrants in Scandinavia. Iirc there was a study of SAD on various college students , and African exchange students had a lower rate of classic SAD, but a higher rate of summer SAD. That certainly points to SAD being a half assed version of hibernation.
SAD rates may be much higher than we think. Unless it starts at say puberty or early adulthood, there is a fish in water effect. I was pretty old before I figured out that not everyone became down and listless in the winter. Everyone in my family did. I thought it was as much a normal part of winter as the cold.
Last line of the Miami Herald article:https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article221842140.html
https://www.twincities.com/2018/11/17/chipotle-manager-at-grand-ave-restaurant-fired-over-viral-video-incident
https://twitter.com/ChipotleTweets/status/1063898467817480193Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @J.Ross
I emailed the reporter on that story, who, according to her bio, is a “Latinx” transplant from California.
Maybe others who write her too.
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1064248780646686721?s=21
Re tats, I think the intent is to lock in a certain age mindset. Like boomers who insist they’re still rockin’ and all that.
Which is stupid of course.
In honor of my English friend, the tanning addict who lives on the beach:
Mad Dogs And Englishmen, by Noel Coward
In tropical climes there are certain times of day
When all the citizens retire to tear their clothes off and perspire.
It’s one of the rules that the greatest fools obey,
Because the sun is much too sultry
And one must avoid its ultry-violet ray.
The natives grieve when the white men leave their huts,
Because they’re obviously, definitely nuts!
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun,
The Japanese don´t care to, the Chinese wouldn´t dare to,
Hindus and Argentines sleep firmly from twelve to one
But Englishmen detest-a siesta.
In the Philippines they have lovely screens to protect you from the glare.
In the Malay States, there are hats like plates which the Britishers won’t wear.
At twelve noon the natives swoon and no further work is done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
It’s such a surprise for the Eastern eyes to see,
that though the English are effete, they’re quite impervious to heat,
When the white man rides every native hides in glee,
Because the simple creatures hope he will impale his solar topee on a tree.
It seems such a shame when the English claim the earth,
They give rise to such hilarity and mirth.
Ha ha ha ha hoo hoo hoo hoo hee hee hee hee ……
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The toughest Burmese bandit can never understand it.
In Rangoon the heat of noon is just what the natives shun,
They put their Scotch or Rye down, and lie down.
In a jungle town where the sun beats down to the rage of man and beast
The English garb of the English sahib merely gets a bit more creased.
In Bangkok at twelve o’clock they foam at the mouth and run,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
The smallest Malay rabbit deplores this foolish habit.
In Hong Kong they strike a gong and fire off a noonday gun,
To reprimand each inmate who’s in late.
In the mangrove swamps where the python romps
there is peace from twelve till two.
Even caribous lie around and snooze, for there’s nothing else to do.
In Bengal to move at all is seldom ever done,
But mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
I promise I didn’t look it up – the trick is either that the country is Russia, but the President is not Putin (as he has some other office/title) or the country is Indonesia, but I don’t know (or care) who the President is. I didn’t look at my globe either.
BZZZZ! I’ll take real country music for $800 then Alex, I mean Reg, since nobody else got it right either (yet). Or, I may take a spin at the wheel that’s behind door number 2.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-number-of-time-zones-in-the-world.html
The US ties Russia by cheating; I think two of those eleven are issues with Arizona and Indiana. Only nine are official.
No wonder white girls prefer Men of Color
white males are pervertsReplies: @El Dato, @Redneck farmer, @anon
You’re one to talk Tiny. Your fixation with black male sexuality is well known on this site.
Oh, to hell with the gloom. Rejoice and be glad.
Being happy is the perfect retort.
Maybe others who write her too.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
Now Chipotle is hedging.
https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1064248780646686721?s=21
eggs have a decent amount of vitamin D (may need to be free range?)
It's like one of those color revolutions where one finds someone handing out cookies underneath a veil of noise & dust.Replies: @J.Ross
It’s obvious that someone is helping them but I have seen no information about who.
Last line of the Miami Herald article:https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article221842140.html
https://www.twincities.com/2018/11/17/chipotle-manager-at-grand-ave-restaurant-fired-over-viral-video-incident
https://twitter.com/ChipotleTweets/status/1063898467817480193Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @J.Ross
There’s a petition to get the manager rehired.
Only needs about ten thousand more signatures.
Think about it, won’t you?
https://www.standunited.org/petition/boycott-chipotle
The boycott sounds good though. I'm all in. I've already beat to death my joke "Yeah, a bowl with black beans and steak, hold the e. coli." anyway. I don't need their stuff, health-wise, and your putting this in a thread on nutrition brings us back on topic.
https://twitter.com/Dom3Marie/status/1064297506077593602Replies: @Anon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_T3_syndrome
as well as vitamin D sunlight also produces nitric oxide on your skin which dilates blood vessels (same effect as viagra iirc)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140117090139.htm
my guess is SAD is a quasi hibernation adaptation to slow energy consumption during the ice age winters but now we have artificial lighting we are messing ourselves up.
20 minutes a day direct sunlight around noon – enough to get a little high, not enough to burn.
You are reminded that Ruth Bader Ginsberg is a great judge by no less an expert than Casey Anthony, who has seen actual judges in action.
https://postimg.cc/wt0PKfxY
Wonderful!
The right clothing is key. I backpacked a lot in the Rockies and the American desert. In and out of the Grand Canyon three times even, where I met an English couple at the bottom once in the summer when it was 110 degrees F at the bottom.
Being very blond with lots of English and German blood, I always wore full clothing, even in summer: hat, long sleeves, khakis and boots. Vacationers in shorts and t-shirts sometimes that that was odd, but I was always cool and never burned.
Only needs about ten thousand more signatures.
Think about it, won't you?
https://www.standunited.org/petition/boycott-chipotleReplies: @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross
What’s it gonna do though, the petition that is? I appreciate your effort, but Chipotle’s gonna Chipote.
The boycott sounds good though. I’m all in. I’ve already beat to death my joke “Yeah, a bowl with black beans and steak, hold the e. coli.” anyway. I don’t need their stuff, health-wise, and your putting this in a thread on nutrition brings us back on topic.
This story (originally published as Death-by-Rain) was collected in The Illustrated Man the following year.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
The Illustrated Man collection of stories is one of my favorites, just after Dandelion Wine and The Martian Chronicles. Ray Bradbury was a hell of a writer.
I can’t tolerate much sun, but I have had to tolerate people trying to guilt me into liking it. I burn easily (and then freckle), but even when I cover up or slather on the sunblock, it still takes me a whole day to recover, sleeping off a headache, like a hangover. Maybe it is a drugged effect I’m getting. I always figured it was the high barometric pressure that was getting to me since I feel best on cloudy or rainy days when the pressure is low.
Lying in the sun has always been a euphoric experience for me. Living in the cold, dark Northeast for over 20 years has been misery. SAD desk lamps have been a failure. I’m heading back South soon where I can judiciously sunbathe regularly on a warm beach like a content mudpuppy.
Bright direct sunlight + Warmth = Bliss
Benefits of Sunlight: A Bright Spot for Human Health
M. Nathaniel Mead
“The sun may be best known for boosting production of vitamin D, but there are many other UVR-mediated effects independent of this pathway….
Endorphins. UVR increases blood levels of natural opiates called endorphins. Melanocytes in human skin express a fully functioning endorphin receptor system, according to the June 2003 Journal of Investigative Dermatology, and a study published 24 November 2005 in Molecular and Cellular Endocrinology suggests that the cutaneous pigmentary system is an important stress-response element of the skin.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2290997/
Betcha can’t tell me which country it is where it’s the same time everywhere.
(Oh, wait... there's Easter Island:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/difference.html?p1=914)
Just about every country in Europe would qualify. And the Caribbean and Central America.
But the widest one in both longitude and mileage (not the same) has to be China.Replies: @RationalExpressions, @Jim Don Bob
I have a voice darn it, and it needs to be heard.
As far as Kiko's discussion - yeah it just goes to show that communism is little more than a version of Central American Indian religious mega-mass sacrifice. Die hard commies will sing the Soviet NA while a priest cuts his still beating heart out of his chest and shows it to him before he eats it. I give you credit for engaging them; I've long since lost the patience.Replies: @Anon, @Achmed E. Newman, @The Alarmist, @Jim Don Bob
Tell more trucking stories. That’ll do the trick.
Only needs about ten thousand more signatures.
Think about it, won't you?
https://www.standunited.org/petition/boycott-chipotleReplies: @Achmed E. Newman, @J.Ross
Follow-up: Terrifying new evidence of Russian hackers!
https://twitter.com/Dom3Marie/status/1064297506077593602
https://twitter.com/Dom3Marie/status/1064297506077593602Replies: @Anon
How can you have “a” rather than “the” Chief Communications Officer? Sounds like a case of too many chiefs and too few Indians.
>Indians
Oh yeah, I'm real sure that socially mobile South Asians absolutely detest meaningless titles.
As for Vitamin D, Europeans evolved to produce it from what sun was available, Sun people can't do that in our lands. Result - the Guardian moaning about "austerity has brought back rickets" when we've actually imported it (along with TB). South Asian women covering up their skin probably doesn't help either.If you look at world suicide rates in the context of sun the picture is surprising. Where's Finland? #27. Doesn't seem to fit at all with the relatively low suicide rates of black Americans.1 Guyana
2 Lesotho
3 Russia
4 Lithuania
5 Suriname
6 Cote d'Ivoire
7 Kazakhstan
8 Equatorial Guinea
9 Belarus
10 South Korea
11 Uganda
12 Cameroon
13 Zimbabwe
14 Ukraine
15 Nigeria
16 Latvia
17 Swaziland
18 Togo
19 India
19 Uruguay
21 Sierra Leone
22 Benin
22 Belgium
24 Chad
25 KiribatiReplies: @ben tillman
That is a genuinely and surprisingly diverse list.
Please don’t tell me the ex-Jesuit Guv Jerry Brown, Jr. is auto-approved here using the pseudonym “Tiny Duck”!!!
Whitehead writes about tanning. The Onion.
When a corporation wants to promote somebody as high as possible without putting him in charge they mint yet another vice president.
>Indians
Oh yeah, I’m real sure that socially mobile South Asians absolutely detest meaningless titles.
People who move to LA from places with “real weather “ always remark on missing the change of seasons – especially fall with its pronounced leaves and smells.
Being a complete former Sun Nut, I’d say the sun in LA is different from where I came from. It’s constant, and with fewer clouds – more likely to have sea haze if anything. So the intensity on the skin is less pronounced that the intense radiant warm/chilly goose bumps one gets when the sun disappears behind real clouds for a few minutes – like in in the Florida Keys for example.
Having said that, not having any shortage of sun seems to induce a strong preference (dependence?) of it being sunny (for the lighting). Having the occasional cloudy days brings about different lighting effects that can be quite special. But the June Gloom sort of haze that often settles in for hours in the morning feels like sun deprivation, without providing any interesting lighting.
Nothing beats an ice tea, a book and some good sun.
https://daar64jskwrm7.cloudfront.net/projects/anatomy-of-a-cocktail/images/diagram-lit.jpgReplies: @Marat
They make clothing now that lets the Sun through. Its good for the mental health of White people to wear in the winter.
And when your hair turns orange, you’re plenty high.
Los Angeles doesn’t have beautiful skies very often. A rocket contrail lifting off from Vandenberg AFB is pretty wild, but LA is somewhat lacking in good sunsets and much lacking in puffy white cumulus clouds compared to Chicago or Houston.
The answer is Emmanuel Macron. Is that merde de taureau?
The “US or Russia” aren’t presidents of anything, as far as I know. But maybe there’s a treaty, compact, or NGO somewhere that would accept a whole country as its president. There are quite a few organizations which only take other organizations as members.
Here is the “weasley” answer:
Long Islanders have been saying that for years.
Chile!
(Oh, wait… there’s Easter Island:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/difference.html?p1=914)
Just about every country in Europe would qualify. And the Caribbean and Central America.
But the widest one in both longitude and mileage (not the same) has to be China.
Denmark and New Zealand have more time zones than Indonesia, as does Mexico:
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-number-of-time-zones-in-the-world.html
The US ties Russia by cheating; I think two of those eleven are issues with Arizona and Indiana. Only nine are official.
(Oh, wait... there's Easter Island:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/difference.html?p1=914)
Just about every country in Europe would qualify. And the Caribbean and Central America.
But the widest one in both longitude and mileage (not the same) has to be China.Replies: @RationalExpressions, @Jim Don Bob
China having just one time zone must make for some strange sunrise/sunset scenarios. I’d assume that areas most affected would be in far western China.
No.
The snow people realize the formications ( i love the the vocabulary) of the battlefields (if ever) because of the histrionics of the left. The left fails in 24 hours…as it did in Finland in 2017.
the Chem trails are over! HURRAH! Here, in New England…
So that’s why Xi is rounding up all the poor Uighurs and putting them in concentration camps: they are irate over China’s version of Daylight Savings Time.
Actually, that makes a lot of sense: if the vastly distant capital imposes its own time on you so that the sun doesn’t come up until, say, 10:30 AM in winter, I’d be thinking separatism too.
The sun is necessary – for your health. Other than that, it is just a great big sphere in the atmosphere.
Whether is not weather, hahaaaa.
Uighurs are more complicated than wake-up time. They have also been taking money and……….for the last 5 years…….Uigurs want to be left alone.
If it weren’t for white people every place would be outdoors. Ironically enough.
Because mud huts really don’t count for much.
Uighurs are like the Lapps -there are no Time Zones. But, there is a god, but not a God of the western world. There is only, belief…belief that they must tend to their animals/stock.
duh
Don’t take it personally. Some of us are more equal than others. I notice some get approved before their five-minute edit time is up even.
Tradition. You can not tell an ancient tribe of people to change because they must for some sort of reason: that is not beneficial to them – these are not stupid people.
Has anyone noticed this!!!!
https://youtu.be/FrmMPdNs0Kw
Sunshine is one of those things, like beef or cheese, that is now too much vilified by those Puritanical who would have everyone exist for one hundred years rather than truly live for sixty or so. I'm not endorsing tanning salons or anything that foolish, but put on some sunscreen and go for a run every day if you want to.Replies: @Lagertha
You are dead very quickly, 6 months at best….
(The conventional wisdom that one either gets Marillion or one does not, with nothing in between, seems to hold....)
LOL high rates of Somali mental illness is everywhere a thing.
O rats,…I am dealing with ailing dogs and others. stop it, right, now, steve.
ok, ok, ok, Steve, Reg, and all you crazy, and, very often, mean, mean, too mean at times, you guys. Just give it up, at times….so we can all catch our breath for fucks sake. I am so exhausted – my husband has a bad-t0-good info on his heart (sucks, but nuf for replacement)….as did my son…ergo, my pause – I hate that my baby-boy has a shitty heart. Time kinda’ sucks. I wish life was level like a field of grain.
Chemtrails has stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, ok, ok, Steve, Reg, and all you crazy, and, very often, mean, mean, too mean at times, you guys. Just give it up, at times….so we can all catch our breath for fucks sake. I am so exhausted – my husband has a bad-t0-good info on his heart (sucks, but nuf for replacement)….as did my son…ergo, my pause – I hate that my baby-boy has a shitty heart. Time kinda’ sucks. I wish life was level like a field of grain.
The Cuban Missile Crisis and the CIA & FBI shenanigans were not spoken of in this song, but it was the overtow, the surfing overtow….
I wish I was in Finland.
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This is the best. Also – I am relaxed……..I don’t care anymore. Nothing matters.
you are such a jerky jerk with this bc I am resposible for but like, no, duh. Well
can you at least, explain that you took over all my texts (for Finnish youth looking for apts, you fuck) in the DC area.
Happy Thanksgiving to you, Steve. I Pray for your family. Happy Thanksgiving to the band and all their workers…and all the fans and their fans, all of their fans. God Bless You All!.
what happened to Reg Caesar? I was along to speaking (writing) to him and you? Time is not good for me…so tell me truth.
I am so wrong: Uighurs are martyrs: they will submit/die in any cage that they are forced into.
sheesh! eveythingmatters!…well, really
The "US or Russia" aren't presidents of anything, as far as I know. But maybe there's a treaty, compact, or NGO somewhere that would accept a whole country as its president. There are quite a few organizations which only take other organizations as members.
Here is the "weasley" answer:
https://assets.popbuzz.com/2016/51/weasley-slytherin-1482146782-list-handheld-0.pngReplies: @Clyde
As I said…… Maricon included. It is all wogs east of Calais. When Trump met with Maricon last week Mr T blew up M’s “I am not gay” act.
I’m a night person, and I have no idea what a sun high is. The sun just makes me tired and irritates my skin. However, I did get a high from cryotherapy on a bright, 100′ day last summer. Maybe it’s my Neanderthal genes? I’m around 4% according to the National Geographic test, if that means anything. I’m also over 2% Denisovan according to the same test.
That bit about the odd melanoma is a line from “Costa del Slough,” a playful ditty used to introduce “Under the Sun” – you can hear a recording of it in the video’s beginning:
Both songs are very much tongue-in-cheek and a bit sarcastic if not downright Sartorial.
(The conventional wisdom that one either gets Marillion or one does not, with nothing in between, seems to hold….)
https://daar64jskwrm7.cloudfront.net/projects/anatomy-of-a-cocktail/images/diagram-lit.jpgReplies: @Marat
Hey thanks, cheers!
True! But lest we sound too picky, the joint makes up for the ‘blank sky/weather monotony’ with night blooming jasmine wafting from the hills, riotous flowers and hilarious palms. Plus the annual housecleaning when Santa Ana’s blow the stinky gray mass out to sea seems like fall for a week if you kinda go with it. That must be when photographers used to take their postcard shots.
If you take a whole lot of Vitamin D, it makes you happy. Everyone who does this knows this.
On the other hand, what does this have to do with the inferiority of blacks?
(Oh, wait... there's Easter Island:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/difference.html?p1=914)
Just about every country in Europe would qualify. And the Caribbean and Central America.
But the widest one in both longitude and mileage (not the same) has to be China.Replies: @RationalExpressions, @Jim Don Bob
Very good. You can pick up your prize at Steve’s beach house.