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As I’ve often pointed out, the existence of official government reports is important in establishing the respectability of a topic. For example, before the release of the Rotherham Report in 2014, it should have been obvious to anybody who didn’t have his head buried in the sand that England had a massive problem with Pakistani pimps sexually abusing underage English girls. But the abundance of different kinds of evidence wasn’t getting the issue talked about in the Respectable Media, until the city of Rotherham issued an official report on the subject.

Similarly, the statistical fact that African-Americans commit murder at a vastly higher per capita rate than do white Americans is not something you are supposed to mention in the press, but at least dissidents in the comments can cite a PDF issued by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistic s back in 2011 that found that blacks were, per capita, 7.4 times as likely to be murder offenders as whites, with whites, curiously, including almost all Hispanics.

The Bush Administration posted homicide by race trend graphs in easy to use HTML format. The Obama Administration memoryholed the more user-friendly version of the report, but at least issued an update in 2011, even if it is in hard to use PDF format. The Trump Administration hasn’t done anything.

But the black-white gap in murder offending might be worse than the Obama Administration’s 2011 report suggests. One obvious problem with the Bureau of Justice Statistics “Homicide” report is that it doesn’t break out Hispanics from whites, unlike almost all other government reports since c. 1970.

Back in 1945-1965, Latin American pressure groups such as LULAC asked government agencies to lump Latin Americans in as white/Caucasian, which is how they were treated on the 1950 and 1960 Censuses. Police forces like the LAPD went along with it, in part because having a huge Caucasian category in which to lump Europeans, Latin Americans, Arabs, and Asian Indians reduced the amount of outright error in suspect descriptions.

Crime statistics, unlike other government statistics, tended to have three racial categories: Other (East Asians, American Indians, and maybe Polynesians), Black, and White (everybody leftover with some claim to be at least kind of Caucasian).

But after the introduction of affirmative action in 1969, pressure groups reversed course and demanded to shed their new Caucasian Disprivilege in favor of some that sweet, sweet Nonwhite Privilege.

Except in crime statistics … For example, from NBC News in 2018:

From Criminology, a 2011 study that tries to figure out what % of “white” murder offenders are actually Hispanic:

REASSESSING TRENDS IN BLACK VIOLENT CRIME, 1980–2008: SORTING OUT THE “HISPANIC EFFECT” IN UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS ARRESTS, NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMIZATION SURVEY OFFENDER ESTIMATES, AND U.S. PRISONER COUNTS

DARRELL STEFFENSMEIER, BEN FELDMEYER, CASEY T. HARRIS, JEFFERY T. ULMER
First published: 24 February 2011 https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2010.00222.x Citations: 52

Abstract
Recent studies suggest a decline in the relative Black effect on violent crime in recent decades and interpret this decline as resulting from greater upward mobility among African Americans during the past several decades. However, other assessments of racial stratification in American society suggest at least as much durability as change in Black social mobility since the 1980s. Our goal is to assess how patterns of racial disparity in violent crime and incarceration have changed from 1980 to 2008. We argue that prior studies showing a shrinking Black share of violent crime might be in error because of reliance on White and Black national crime statistics that are confounded with Hispanic offenders, whose numbers have been increasing rapidly and whose violence rates are higher than that of Whites but lower than that of Blacks. Using 1980–2008 California and New York arrest data to adjust for this “Hispanic effect” in national Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) and National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data, we assess whether the observed national decline in racial disparities in violent crime is an artifact of the growth in Hispanic populations and offenders. Results suggest that little overall change has occurred in the Black share of violent offending in both UCR and NCVS estimates during the last 30 years. In addition, racial imbalances in arrest versus incarceration levels across the index violent crimes are both small and comparably sized across the study period. We conclude by discussing the consistency of these findings with trends in economic and social integration of Blacks in American society during the past 50 years.

The researchers come up with a finding that adjusting out Hispanic murderers from whites raises the black/white murder offender ratio from 7.4 X to 11.7 X.

From a press release from Penn State writing up this study:

… The rise in the U.S. Hispanic population and the sharp jump in black violent crime during the late 1980s and early 1990s may skew statistics from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports and the National Crime Victimization Survey that appear to show a recent drop in black violence, said Darrell Steffensmeier, professor, sociology, and crime, law and justice, Penn State.

The researchers, who released their findings in the current issue of Criminology, indicated that studies on black violent crime — a crime that involves force or the threat of force — often fail to account for the rise in the number of Hispanics in the U.S. Since there is no Hispanic category in the UCR and approximately 93 percent of Hispanics identify themselves, or are identified by law enforcement officers, as white, most arrests of Hispanics are added to white violent crime rates.

“The result is that the violent crime rates for whites are inflated and the black rates are deflated in these studies,” said Steffensmeier, who worked with Jeffrey T. Ulmer, associate professor, and Casey T. Harris, graduate student, both in sociology and crime, law and justice, Penn State and Ben Feldmeyer, assistant professor, University of Tennessee-Knoxville.

When the researchers adjusted for the Hispanic effect, there was little overall change in the black percentage of violent crime, said Steffensmeier.

Using arrest statistics from 1980 to 2008 in California and New York, two states that include a Hispanic category, the recalculated national figures indicated that the black percentage of assault increased slightly from 42 percent to 44 percent and homicide increased from 57 percent to 65 percent. There was a small decline in robbery, from 57 percent to 54 percent.

“It is the case that violent crime rates are lower today for blacks, as they also are for other race groupings, but the black percentage of violent crime is about the same today as in 1980,” Steffensmeier said.

According to Steffensmeier, studies that purport to show declines in black violent crimes may also rely on timelines that are too short to be effective. For instance, studies that start in the late 1980s and 1990s cover a period of rapid increase in black violent crime fueled by crack cocaine use in the inner cities. According to Steffensmeier, the recent decrease is more likely a return to average crime rates.

“A study that uses statistics from a short time period can lead to a regression to the mean effect,” said Steffensmeier. “Which basically means, when a trend rises quickly, it can fall just as quickly.”

On the other hand, the researcher’s choice of adjusting the national statistics based on arrest statistics in New York and California might exaggerate the amount of Hispanic crime.

Most of New York’s Hispanic murderers tend to be mulatto Puerto Ricans or Dominicans, ethnic groups who tend to have higher homicide rates than the more common mestizos from Mexico.

And my vague intuition is that California developed a pretty homicidal Chicano mestizo class back in the 1970s when Mexican-Americans formed some pretty imposing gangs on the streets and in the prisons. I think Mexican-Americans in California were more crime prone than in Texas.

Since then, the newer Mexican immigrants tend to be smaller and more docile.

Of course, another issue are all the murders that are never closed. The closure rates tend to be lowest in black neighborhoods, especially in black-run cities. So, the number of black murder offenders might be understated due to fears of witness-murdering by black gangs and other problems.

Finally, counting “murder offenders” rather than their victims might drive up the black percentage because, if my suspicion is correct, on average murders committed by blacks tend to have slightly more murder offenders involved than murders committed by whites. Generally, white murderers tend to act alone. They generally don’t have some friends who might think that helping them commit murder is a good idea.

For example, white mass shooters are almost always lone gunmen (Columbine being a famous exception). Black mass shooters, in contrast, are often two guys.

So, this might tend to exaggerate the percentage of murder victims murdered by blacks.

All in all, I’d probably guess somewhere around 10X as the most accurate black / white murder ratio.

 
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  2. All in all, I’d probably guess somewhere around 10X as the most accurate black / white murder ratio.

    Is your guess adjusted for age and gender?

  3. As I’ve often pointed out, the existence of official government reports is important in establishing the respectability of a topic.

    Which is why a corrupt government distorts efforts to improve the lives of American citizens. Of course, our government is not corrupt, does not have double-standards, and has not established an aristocratic class who are, literally, (make that literally literally), above the law.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  4. ‘…Of course, another issue are all the murders that are never closed. The closure rates tend to be lowest in black neighborhoods, especially in black-run cities…’

    Conversely, though, blacks just don’t seem to give a shit about getting caught. At any rate, they don’t think that far ahead.

    Consider. You decide to whack your brother-in-law for whatever reason. Aren’t you more likely than your average black to think things through past ‘goin’ get dat mofo’?

    At this point, finely parsing the statistics starts to break down. Suffice it to say that blacks are massively more crime-prone than any other major racial group.

  5. When people are unintentionally killed while committing a crime, many states view that as 2nd degree murder, even as an accessory. Since blacks tend to commit more crimes in gangs relative to other races, I think your theory of multiple blacks being charged for a single victim is more prevalent even than you inferred.

    Just because it occurs so frequently in nature, and because I suspect genetic predisposition to failing to control homicidal urges could be lines up neatly with racial IQ generalizations. My hypothesis is that the Fibonacci Ratio will closely tie to any high-quality governmental numbers:

    Asians kill the least, there are 1.62 white murderers for every Asian murderer, 1.62 Latinos for every white, 1.62 Arabs for every Latino, and 1.62 blacks for every arab murderer. This would give a ratio of ~1 : 4.24 whites to black. However, if you control for mixed-race individuals who are now incentivized to identify as black, and if you view their genetic pre-disposal to violence as roughly between white and black, you get a ratio of ~1: 6.3

    This feels instinctively pretty close to my every-day experience.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    , @Rob
  6. murder offender ratio from 7.4 X to 11.7 X.

    That must be the most dangerous convenience store chain in America.

  7. Polynikes says:

    If they’re going to mix Hispanics in with whites maybe they could mix Asians in too and balance things back out?

  8. anon[419] • Disclaimer says:

    Corvinus arrives, foaming at the mouth, in 3….2….1….

  9. Kronos says:

    Generally, white murderers tend to act alone. They generally don’t have some friends who might think that helping them commit murder is a good idea.

    I sure do miss the Obama administration…

    https://ifunny.co/fun/NJurydZL7?s=cl

  10. “The researchers come up with a finding that adjusting out Hispanic murderers from whites raises the black/white murder offender ratio from 7.4 X to 11.7 X.”

    This will also dissipate the mirage of Hispanic violent criminality being only slightly higher than that of whites. A point I make often with Ron and Kiko which shockingly goes uncontested, is the fact that mestizos and other Hispanics regularly get classified as white or Caucasian in the blotter. The rate of this deliberate misclassification is difficult to estimate, but I would say a reasonable guess is at least 1 in 4 Hispanics are classified as white on arrest reports.

    “Most of New York’s Hispanic murderers tend to be mulatto Puerto Ricans or Dominicans, ethnic groups who tend to have higher homicide rates than the more common mestizos from Mexico.”

    PRs and DRs have significant African admixture. What a coincidence!

  11. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    https://nypost.com/2020/01/19/ex-professor-charged-for-allegedly-blowing-200k-grant-on-strippers-bars/

    Random letters man, early candidate for sailer international man of the year 2020

  12. Further, if the Chiefs win the Superbowl, the fact that a half black quarterback will have led them to victory is good enough to justify much of the black criminality in the US.

    So go Chiefs (because I have to alleviate this guilt somehow!)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @PaceLaw
  13. Murder is helpful for looking into this because of the necessity of reporting the crime and the attention that accompanies it. Murder is always terrible obviously, but the odds of being murdered by a white or Asian you don’t aren’t in a relationship with are extremely slim. My guess is robbery stats are even more skewed. Less motivated by passion. Robbery meaning stealing by physical force. It is much less common now than 20 years ago but must be 15-20x vs 8-11x if the white rate. Robbery is the most important crime statistic for determining quality of life in a community.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Anonymous
  14. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    No way in hell Mahomes is fifty percent sub Saharan African. His black parent can’t be more than fifty percent black.

    Here in KC they are going nuts, by the way. We be going to the SUPER Bowl….like I give a shit. It’s just sportsball to me.

  15. Goatweed says:

    Compare the rate that whites murder blacks with the rate that blacks murder whites.

  16. Dr. X says:

    Here’s some really great data from NYPD which separates White from Hispanic arrest and suspect populations.

    The numbers are really interesting. For murder and manslaughter, non-Hispanic Whites were 7.7% of suspects, Hispanics 27%, and Blacks 61.7%, or eight times greater than the White-only number.

    But Whites were only 6.9% of homicide arrests; Hispanics, 32%, and Blacks almost 55%, indicating that there may have been some confusion identifying White vs. Hispanic perpetrators (and that the “no-snitching” policy in the ‘hood may have lowered the Black arrest rate almost 7%).

    Whites were suspects in only about 2% of shootings, while Blacks were suspects in almost 75%…

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2017-enforcement-report.pdf

    • Replies: @John Arthur
    , @Colin Wright
  17. White mass shooters are almost always a hoax.

    • Disagree: Rob
  18. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    Another piece of evidence to support Steve’s thesis: James Bamford’s Wired cover story had most of the most shocking NSA revelations, uncovered through his original reporting, but it got zero play in other media. Then the next month Edward Snowdon appears with NSA Powerpoints, and it’s the story of the year.

  19. No wonder Fred Reed couldn’t find any examples of Hispanic crime on his recent visit. He read the headlines but not the stories. Quite a rigorous journalist, that Fred.

  20. @Anonymous

    The prof figured this was just reparation money. Obama was Prez and the sky wasn’t even a limit.

    Something happened “between 2010 and 2017”. Started in Obama’s first term, and was caught out in Trump’s first year. A start to draining a swamp? Sure, if you still believe “It’s a Wonderful Life”.

  21. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    an aristocratic class who are, literally, (make that literally literally), above the law.

    I like that. Since ‘literally’ nowadays generally means ‘figuratively’ we’ve lately had no word which means ‘literally’. ‘Literally literally’ might suffice; such is modern-day English. Which kind of ‘literally’ did you mean, though?

  22. @Anonymous

    Chikaodinaka Nwankpa? Salt of the Earth, man!

    The one-time head of Drexel University’s electrical engineering department … abused grant money from the Navy, the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation over a period of 10 years, prosecutors said.

    He was just trying to get more POCs into those lucrative STEM fields, man! More than any of you white people appear to be doing. Naturally he went to stripper bars. Where else you gonna find homies? Dealing drugs or something? Racist.

    • LOL: Unladen Swallow
  23. @alaska3636

    It is indeed a splendid article. I especially liked this bit of fiction ” The men I was talking to, they tried to get hitches into town—you hitch into town to resupply or take a night off—and they’d be hanging out with their friends, three white guys and a black guy. And people would stop and would say, “We’ll take those three, but we won’t let you in our car.”

    • LOL: bomag
  24. @Colin Wright

    Exactly,
    Additionaly, no one really cares about Black lives. The whole concept of valuing Black lives is to get money from White Gentiles, or perhaps Latinos and Asians in the future. If the crime against a Black person doesn’t have a rich offender, then there is absolutely no interest.
    So yes the average Black person doesn’t give a shit about being caught, but in most cases, no one gives a shit about catching that person either, especially if the victim is also Black. So a vast number of cases go unsolved.

  25. @MikeatMikedotMike

    This will also dissipate the mirage of Hispanic violent criminality being only slightly higher than that of whites. A point I make often with Ron and Kiko….

    I think Ron is beyond the reach of evidence to change his views.  Dammit.

    • Agree: bomag
  26. One thing to point out is that heavily Black cities have murder rates in the 50s and 60s per 100000, while the most heavily Latino and White cities have murder rates around 2-4 per 100000.

    Now, I know that Whites don’t have 1/25th the murder rate of Black people, or even 1/14th the murder rate, but I wonder how much of America’s crime is connected to Black people indirectly, like the environment that they produce also push some of the non-Blacks to have a more violent culture as well.

    For instance, Whites in heavily Black areas tend to have pretty high crime rates, especially in States like Alabama. Now, I really doubt that Whites in Alabama have a markedly lower IQ, or higher concentration of testosterone than Whites in California and Massachusetts, but perhaps the Black dysfunctionality produce a culture of higher crime rates among all non-Blacks

    An interesting thing for someone to do is find a very homogenous group like the Chinese, who mostly came as educated immigrants, and compare their crime rates in places like NYC to Chinese in very non-Black areas like Coastal California. I would suspect that Chinese in NYC have markedly higher crime rates, perhaps 50% higher than Chinese in Coastal California.

    • Replies: @Medvedev
    , @bigdicknick
  27. @Dr. X

    NYC is full of Puerto Ricans, who have high crime rates. Mezoamericans are different.

    I think there was a interesting chart awhile back which found that almost all of the Hispanics in the NYC elite public schools were all MesoAmerican, but I can’t find it now. And the most heavily Mezoamerican neighborhoods in NYC are the safest, like Jackson Heights.

    MesoAmerican Hispanics and Puerto Ricans(and Dominicans) are like two different races of people, when it comes to socioeconomics.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bragadocious
  28. One thing to point out is that heavily Black cities have murder rates in the 40s and 50s per 100000, while the most heavily Latino and White cities have murder rates around 2-4 per 100000.

    Now, I know that Whites don’t have 1/20th the murder rate of Black people, but I wonder how much of America’s crime is connected to Black people indirectly, as the environment that they produce also push some of the non-Blacks to have a more violent culture as well.

    For instance, Whites in heavily Black areas tend to have pretty high crime rates, especially in States like Alabama. Now, I really doubt that Whites in Alabama have a markedly lower IQ, or higher concentration of testosterone than Whites in California and Massachusetts, but perhaps the Black dysfunctionality produce a culture of higher crime rates among all non-Blacks

    An interesting thing for someone to do is find a very homogenous group like the Chinese, who mostly came as educated immigrants, and compare their crime rates in very black places like NYC to Chinese in very non-Black areas like Coastal California. I would suspect that Chinese in NYC have markedly higher crime rates, perhaps 50% higher than Chinese in Coastal California.

    Isn’t the overall murder rate of Whites in the Uk, France around 1 per 100000, on par, or slightly lower than East Asians anyways?

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
  29. Wonder what this does to the inter-racial crime rate. One of the talking points for years has been that if you’re white you’re more likely to be murdered by another white than by a black – but the actual numbers were very close, within a few percentage points, of showing the opposite.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @Colin Wright
  30. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I had this discussion with someone regarding a “paper airplane”, which someone here brought up recently. There really was an airplane made out of paper, or more precisely, “paperglass”, which was like fiberglass with resin but using supermarket bag style paper impregnated with resin. It, literally, was a paper airplane you could get in and fly.

    http://www.all-aero.com/index.php/55-planes-t-u/10921-taylor-micro-imp

    The individual got snippy and I eventually walked away, insofar as he would not look it up on a search engine and refused to accept what I said as fact. I think it was “literally” that set him off. Must have been an engram, so he’ll have to be audited with the old E-meter. At least according to Scientology. Others would just call him a dickhead.

  31. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Arthur

    MesoAmerican Hispanics and Puerto Ricans(and Dominicans) are like two different races of people

    No, Mesoamerican mestizos and Puerto Rican and Dominican mulattoes are not LIKE two different races of people, they ARE two different races of people. Mulattoes are generally more violent than mestizos. Also generally better athletes, and more likely to be sexual freaks-Porfy and his ilk were common in the DR and Cuba, rare in Mexico. There’s a reason Tijuana adult stage hijinks involved women with donkeys or women doing tricks with objects like champagne bottles, stacks of coins, ping pong balls, but in Cuba and the DR they had “Cuban Supermen”.

    All they have in common is the Spanish language and Catholicism, both somewhat mutilated but in different fashions.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
  32. Elli says:

    A boy and his dog

    One of the talking points for years has been that if you’re white you’re more likely to be murdered by another white than by a black – but the actual numbers were very close, within a few percentage points, of showing the opposite.

    On the contrary, see official victim/offender crosstabs here.

    https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/vic_display.asp

    Not separating Hispanic as either a victim or offender category is a confounding factor.

    In 1980 a white victim was about 7 times as likely to be killed by a white as by a black.

    In 2016, the most recent year given a white victim was a little more than 4 times as likely to be killed by a white than a black.

    This will be partly because of the relative increase in the black population compared to the white in those 36 years.

    • Replies: @bomag
  33. @John Arthur

    And the most heavily Mezoamerican neighborhoods in NYC are the safest, like Jackson Heights.

    That deserves a very special “LOL”

    • Replies: @Rob
  34. Wilkey says:

    My guess is that it’s closer to the 12x as many black murders as white murders. Just compare the murder rates in cities where blacks are a majority, like Detroit, Baltimore, or Memphis, to “lily-white towns” (or what were once considered to be such).

    Murder rates in black-dominated cities can pass 30 or 40 per 100,000, compared to 2 or 3 per 100,000 for the whitest cities. And of course the white cities still have a lot of minorities and the black cities still have quite a few whites.

    The other fact is that black criminals are more likely to murder as a group than whites. White murderers tend towards the serial killer/lone gunman end of the spectrum. Some of the murders involving more than one black are committed somewhat accidentally during the commission of another crime. But if you read a story where three guys raped and then murdered the victim in order to do away with the evidence you’d be pretty damn safe betting a years salary that the perps were black.

  35. @Mr McKenna

    Since ‘literally’ nowadays generally means ‘figuratively’

    Sigh, so true.

    Also, incredibly. (If it’s incredible, then why are you acting as if you believe it?)

  36. Hail says: • Website
    @Mr McKenna

    an aristocratic class who are, literally, (make that literally literally), above the law

    Since ‘literally’ nowadays generally means ‘figuratively’ we’ve lately had no word which means ‘literally’. ‘Literally literally’ might suffice

    Wouldn’t a literally-literal reading of (the inherently-figurative phrase) “Above the Law” have to mean something like “on top of the roof of the courthouse?”

  37. This is a challenge for the mainstreaming of HBD. The typical response of HBDers to alarm about differences in average IQ is that different groups excel at different things, so having a lower IQ isn’t a measure of overall inferiority. But if one group commits murders at 10x the rate of another, what excellence of theirs can make up for that?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @vhrm
  38. istevefan says:

    Recall Ron Unz wrote a rather large piece on hispanic crime not being a huge factor in elevating the White rate. I believed he used proxy stats like the violent crime rate of heavily hispanic cities, e g. El Paso, to show that White and hispanic violent crime rates were comparable.

    • Replies: @Anon
  39. Medvedev says:
    @John Arthur

    Now, I know that Whites don’t have 1/25th the murder rate of Black people, or even 1/14th the murder rate, but I wonder how much of America’s crime is connected to Black people indirectly, like the environment that they produce also push some of the non-Blacks to have a more violent culture as well.

    Blacks in highly non-Black areas, where they constitute 5-10% of population, try to fit in or model what Whites do (act White).
    When their percentage reaches 20-30% they start give less and less sh*t what White people think or try to fit in because “We wuz kungz”. Blacks become more concerned with impressing other Blacks, not acting White.
    When their percentage reaches 40-60% all comes to hell, they take over government (Detroit, Baltimore, Washington DC etc), dismantle rayciss laws and prevent police from doing its function. Hence, city becomes completely dysfunctional.

    produce a culture of higher crime rates

    Dysfunctional government produces dysfunctional culture. During the decline and alcoholization in USSR crime and homicide rates grew, after collapse they skyrocketed eclipsing Mexico. After the normalization of government and decrease of alcoholization homicide rates dropped significantly and now are below US level.
    1960th – around 5-6
    2002 – 30.45
    2010 – 13.06
    2018 – 5.18
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Russia
    Excluding major catastrophe or liberal takeover by US/Israel puppets crime rates in Russia will follow other Eastern European states (Estonia, Poland or Slovakia).

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    , @PaceLaw
  40. istevefan says:
    @a boy and his dog

    One of the talking points for years has been that if you’re white you’re more likely to be murdered by another white than by a black

    In a multiculti society 100 % of murders in a particular racial/ethnic group, or whatever category that society is broken into, should be committed by members of that same group. In other words there should be no intergroup violent crime, only intragroup violent crime assuming you want to keep a lid on civil unrest.

    You can see this in how blacks barely notice the daily grind of black-on-black murder, but go beserk, e.g. BLM, when a White kills a black, even if that black was engaged in a violent act at the time of his death.

    Ninety percent of murdered blacks are killed by fellow blacks. And that 10% gets us black lives matters and the 1619 Project. Just imagine if they had a similar victimization rate at the hands of outgroups like Whites. We’d have full on insurrection.

    The fact that 80% of murdered Whites are killed by fellow Whites is not the slam on Whites as progressives try to suggest. Rather it is something to be concerned about. For if that number were to decrease, Whites might start to think they’re being targeted and respond in a violent way.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Colin Wright
  41. Anonymous[328] • Disclaimer says:

    For what’s it’s worth, I remember reading, many many moons ago, an article based on detailed research which demonstrated that a white woman married to a black husband had a 10 x greater likelihood of being murdered by her spouse than she would have if she was married to a white man.
    Apparently the multiplier coefficient of a white man married to a black woman, as opposed to a white woman, is an astonishing 20 x.

  42. @Hail

    Indeed; hence my question at the end. Which I did not intend as rhetorical. I won’t even ask what the meaning of ‘rhetorical’ is nowadays.

  43. JimDandy says:

    Are there studies/papers that compare per capita violent crime rates by race and income? Poor blacks compared to poor whites, specifically? I seem to remember Unz doing something along those lines.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  44. @John Arthur

    “Whites in heavily Black areas tend to have pretty high crime rates”

    Scots Irish have higher crime rates than Germans and Scandis.

    Paul Kersey posts some eye-watering stats from places like Iowa where the Black 5% account for nearly half the homicides.

  45. Separate categories would help:

    1. whites (Europeans, indistinguishable other Caucasians,..)

    2. Mestizos & Native Americans

    3. Middle Eastern Caucasians (most Arabs, Iranians, Turks, some Afghans, some Jews, Chechens..)

    4, south Indians (Pakis, most Indians, …)

  46. @william munny

    Lots of B&Es in white areas due to meth and opiates.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
  47. It would be interesting to compare the murder rate of those with blue eyes to whites.

    • Agree: Rob
  48. BennyGee says:

    It is a truism that white males COMMIT the most crime

    People of Color are PROSECUAtED for crimes at a higher rate

    Karen the difference

    • Replies: @anon
    , @PaceLaw
  49. my theory is that among White criminals, they commit crimes of violence against people they know at a higher rate than Blacks criminals. Put it another way, has anyone ever felt unsafe in a white community? Sure, white bars can be dangerous. But that just reinforces my theory. White crime occurs between people who know or associate with each other.

  50. @John Arthur

    I haven’t read it, but I believe Albion’s seed covers some of this. Anglo Whites in different regions of the US are descended from different British subcultures that had different dispute resolution systems. I believe people in the south are descended from cavaliers who had a dueling culture for dispute resolution i.e. disputes were settled through physical violence. Scots-Irish in apallachia had a different, but also violent dispute resolution system. This is just me presenting the book’s arguments third hand without reading it so this could be partially wrong.

    • Thanks: John Arthur
  51. @Medvedev

    russia also has an aging population and the young are more violent.

  52. @Dave Pinsen

    if one group commits murders at 10x the rate of another, what excellence of theirs can make up for that?

    The answer appears to be “games involving balls too large to fit in one hand.”

  53. @JimDandy

    I think Raj Chetty wrote something about that. Poor whites are about as violent as wealthy blacks. He then went on to blame the nebulous and unfalsifiable monster known as “racism.”

  54. The three “white” fugitives wanted for murder on this list are listed with the parenthetical (Hispanic).
    https://www.dps.texas.gov/Texas10MostWanted/MostWanted/stillWanted

  55. It’s like Steve has an extra burst of creative writing energy for MLK Day. I’m guessing it comes from not having to roll the trash can out to the curb last night.

  56. Altai says:

    The guy on the left is going to considered ‘white’ by 2030. Already Americans count very swarthy people as ‘white’ in a way they never would 20 years ago. There isn’t really a category in common use to say ‘Western European’ in America, so ‘white’ has become a very big tent.

    What other supposed ethnicity or group of people do you have such issues with people pronouncing each others names than ‘white American’.

  57. @Mr McKenna

    Which kind of ‘literally’ did you mean, though?

    The strict interpretation, not figurative or metaphorical. We have oligarchs claiming we are suitable to saddles (at best) and pulling the treadwheel (at worst).

  58. @Hail

    Wouldn’t a literally-literal reading of (the inherently-figurative phrase) “Above the Law” have to mean something like “on top of the roof of the courthouse?”

    Only if you mistake a building for the law.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  59. @Redneck farmer

    True, but a Black B&E on a white crib is far more likely to result in somebody (usually white in big gun control jurisdictions) ) bein’ daid o leakin’ on deh flo’.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  60. @MikeatMikedotMike

    This will also dissipate the mirage of Hispanic violent criminality being only slightly higher than that of whites.

    Outside of a percentage of crimes reported, which is categorized dishonestly, how is it even possible to get reliable stats on a group that is not reliably documented, and whose numbers vary by the tens of millions? I’d even guess that many hispanic victims of other hispanics may also refuse to report due to immigration or snitching concerns. A better way to grasp the impact of hispanic immigration is to look at their neighborhoods and schools, especially in areas that were once white.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  61. @istevefan

    What about interracial rape? For that, blacks have to fantasize about rapes that were committed 200 hundred years ago by mostly unknown or fictional whites. Yet that seems to be one of the excuses for much of the current interracial violence and rape committed by blacks against whites.

  62. Rob says:
    @Just Saying

    Why on earth would murder rates fit a Fibonacci ratio? Is that the same as the golden ratio? Anyway, your theory doesn’t match the data.

  63. @Anonymous

    I think he is black. His name is literally “My Homies”

  64. Rob says:
    @Bragadocious

    I think he meant of heavily Hispanic neighborhoods, the heavily Meso-American are safer than the predominantly Caribbean ones.

  65. @Dr. X

    ‘… Whites were suspects in only about 2% of shootings, while Blacks were suspects in almost 75%…’

    More evidence of something that is never discussed. The DC sniper notwithstanding, the standard of black marksmanship is appalling. Going by your post, whites manage almost four times the kill rate that blacks do.

  66. @a boy and his dog

    ‘One of the talking points for years has been that if you’re white you’re more likely to be murdered by another white than by a black – but the actual numbers were very close, within a few percentage points, of showing the opposite.’

    That really is a red herring. For one thing, if you are killed by another white, it’s more likely the case that it’s someone you know — which implies you saw it coming. It was a domestic quarrel or you went into a dive bar and got belligerent or something. You coulda headed it off.

    If you’re going to just get whacked for good times while you’re walking the dog or because you won’t hand over your wallet, the odds that the killer is black must skyrocket.

    There was actually a finding related to this. A while back the media started a bleat about how blacks disproportionately got the death penalty for homicide. Somebody did an analysis by type of homicide: who commits the type of homicide that gets you the death penalty. I.e., quarreling with your brother-in-law and whacking him after he kicks your butt probably won’t get you the death penalty; blowing away a store clerk who was giving you the money anyway very well may.

    It turned out blacks committed the sort of homicides that tended to result in the death penalty in just about the ratio the number of death penalties they received implied they would.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  67. @istevefan

    ‘…The fact that 80% of murdered Whites are killed by fellow Whites is not the slam on Whites as progressives try to suggest…’

    It’s also all but simply a restatement of the fact that in most homicides, the killer knows the victim.

  68. That first chart caught my attention because it suggested that the black murder rate in 1980 was as high as the early 90s. My impression was that black murder rates in America had grown steadily since the 1960s peaking in the early 90s with the crack wars, but apparently there was also a major spike in the late 1970s. So I did some Googling only to find that Sailer had it covered all along:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/show-me-evidence/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @ATBOTL
  69. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @BennyGee

    Tiny Duck under yet another handle :

    It is a truism that white males COMMIT the most crime

    Because wypipo are still a majority.

    People of Color are PROSECUAtED for crimes at a higher rate

    Because they COMMIT CRIMES at a higher rate than wypipo.

    Karen the difference

    Who’s Karen, Tiny? Why should we be Karen? Do you really be Karen or just Trollin?

  70. Bubba says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The rate of this deliberate misclassification is difficult to estimate, but I would say a reasonable guess is at least 1 in 4 Hispanics are classified as white on arrest reports.

    Most definitely true and that is probably a conservative estimate. One just has to look at current mug shots that are still available on-line. Unfortunately, the NYS Police stopped releasing them as of last April.

    Similar to complaints of “disproportionate justice”, it’s odd how blacks are “disproportionately affected by STD’s.” I wonder when this link will be banished by the woke mob…

    https://www.cdc.gov/stdconference/2000/media/afamericans2000.htm

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  71. whatever the ratio is, the stats say that it’s going up. for decades it was ostensibly 7 to 1, in the last decade, it has been climbing, to 8 to 1 or more. so another widening of the difference between groups, not a closing.

    human endeavor is like a marathon. the best runners increasingly pull away from the other runners over time, the gap between them growing, not staying the same or shrinking. a performance gap between groups that gets wider over time is what you would expect to observe, not the opposite.

    everybody is familiar with the wealth difference. the wealthy get wealthier over time, increasing the distance between them and the rest. but most other abilities lead to the same increasing distance over time. this is a naturally occurring phenomenon and would happen no matter what the circumstances, and don’t reveal any kind of nefarious interference.

    indeed, in America, the african murder rate is lower than it normally would be, due to police monitoring the africans constantly and the prison system making them disappear. their murder rate in the States is artificially low. it would normally be higher.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @bigdicknick
  72. @Colin Wright

    “blacks just don’t seem to give a shit about getting caught”

    For most black men prison is a place where they can spend time with old friends and have sex with them. It’s also a rite of passage.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Tony
  73. Yngvar says:

    For example, white mass shooters are almost always lone gunmen (Columbine being a famous exception).

    There was this school shooting in March 1998 were to white kids, 11 and 13 years old, shot 15 and killed 5 at Westside Middle School, Arkansas. One of the Columbine killers wrote in his diary that what they were about to do in April ’99 was not copy-cat, that they had started planning it from before that. The shit was worried about its notoriety.

  74. @SaneClownPosse

    We sit here all fat ‘n whiny at the keyboard and seem to forget white dudes have been the global apex predator for at least a few years.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  75. @Henry's Cat

    1980 murder peak = powder cocaine wars.

  76. @alaska3636

    In regard to the African element the software needs an update.

  77. @SunBakedSuburb

    ‘We sit here all fat ‘n whiny at the keyboard and seem to forget white dudes have been the global apex predator for at least a few years.’

    …until a black man robs you. Then who’s the apex predator?

  78. @SunBakedSuburb

    ‘For most black men prison is a place where they can spend time with old friends and have sex with them. It’s also a rite of passage.’

    What’s definitely true is that while for many classes of whites and Asians, prison is an unknown and frightening terra incognita, for blacks it’s a pretty routine place to go.

    You sigh and go about getting rid of a virus on your computer. A black sighs and goes off to spend another weekend in the county jail. For both, it’s an unwelcome but hardly novel consequence of their lifestyle.

  79. @prime noticer

    ‘… indeed, in America, the african murder rate is lower than it normally would be, due to police monitoring the africans constantly and the prison system making them disappear. their murder rate in the States is artificially low. it would normally be higher.’

    That’s been pretty clearly demonstrated by the while post-Black Lives Matter homicide boom. The police let up on policing blacks, and (presumably) the courts ease up on sending them off to the big house for a few years, and their murder rate jumps.

    …It’s one of many annoying things about blacks. Because of them, we all have to have more police. In the (all-white) town I’ve moved to, the police department is proportionately just about half the size of the (multi-racial) town I left. It’s actually poorer, has a fair number of vagrants, a fairly high unemployment rate, etc — but no blacks means less crime means fewer cops.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  80. One more because it was an I-Steve weekend and it’s MLK day:

    OT: Studies find redlining the most powerful force in the known universe:
    https://www.npr.org/2020/01/14/795961381/racist-housing-practices-from-the-1930s-linked-to-hotter-neighborhoods-today

    Scientists who added up gravity, electromagnetism and both strong and weak forces are stunned to find the sum is barely a fraction of the power of redlining.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  81. @alaska3636

    “And people would stop and would say, “We’ll take those three, but we won’t let you in our car.”

    And that’s the quote that tells us everything she said was bullshit. They don’t seem to understand that white people are scared to death of political incorrectness. If this happened more than once, the next driver to stop would be on a Facebook live feed. He’d lose his job, friends and reputation. No white guy is risking that.

    I’m guessing she never hiked the trail at all. She along the trail, took some pics and dropped a few books. The rest she made up

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  82. My hunch is the Deep State manipulates figures to portray blacks in the least damaging way. One of the things about swallowing the RP is to realize just how brainwashed the normie idiot is wrt blacks. If it says 7x more likely, it’s probably double-triple that.

    I worked in a school recently (considered a ‘Good Public School’) and the level of incompetence of the black staff was astonishing. One woman was on a permanent period, seemingly. One of those prickly sjw personalities that winds up everyone she contacts. Every student hated her, other staff (generally liberal) hated her. I kept wondering how she got away with it – obviously black Privilege. TPTB were clearly imposing her on the School. We generally had a lot of ancillary staff, but they were all curiously absent from her classes (even tho she tended to teach lesser ability classes.)

    No doubt whatsoever that blacks are over promoted retards. Eg look at how many blacks are great scientists in (((dramas & adverts))). Trust me, there’s barely one IRL. They can’t even teach 12 year olds properly – the children correct them!!!

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  83. @Colin Wright

    In the (all-white) town I’ve moved to, the police department is proportionately just about half the size of the (multi-racial) town I left. It’s actually poorer, has a fair number of vagrants, a fairly high unemployment rate, etc — but no blacks means less crime means fewer cops.

    I have a house in a Rust Belt city in Appalachia with the same characteristics. People leave their houses unlocked. Everybody waves. People let you into a lane of traffic. You rarely see the police. I tell my friends, you don’t have very many blacks, but you got an extra helping of rednecks!

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  84. bomag says:
    @Elli

    In 2016, the most recent year given a white victim was a little more than 4 times as likely to be killed by a white than a black.

    Well, we can consider that there are roughly 4x as many Whites as Blacks in the US, so Blacks are at least as deadly as Whites if the races were sprinkled equally among each other. Obversely, a Black is 10x as likely to be killed by a Black than a White, making Blacks 40x as deadly in our equal distribution scenario.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  85. Tony says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    They dont have sex with each other unless theyre actually gay. They look for young punks who are often times white.

  86. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    But at least we’re not speaking German

    yuk yuk

  87. @JohnnyWalker123

    Fibonacci is right.

    Fibonacci would have shone on the PISA test.

  88. @alaska3636

    We don’t learn she is African until well into the piece. She clearly has assimilated, but to the wrong America.

    Eritrea has some challenging hikes. She should go home and try them.

    There is more elevation variation in the 70 miles from the capital to the sea than along the entire Appalachian Trail.

    • Agree: BB753
  89. vhrm says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Well, once the absolute numbers of murder get low enough then the impact of the relative difference doesn’t matter that much.

    Also i think that there should be some stats that remove gang on gang killings. It’s not that they’re totally “ok” , but if you’re living “the life” (drug gangs, motorcycle gangs, the mob) or dating a gangster then possibly getting killed is a chance you take. More so than being a civilian.

  90. Hail says: • Website

    Do we have Black–White homicide ratios for any other countries?

  91. PaceLaw says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    “the fact that a half black quarterback will have led them to victory is good enough to justify much of the black criminality in the US.”

    What??? You’re not making any sense.

  92. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:

    All in all, I’d probably guess somewhere around 10X as the most accurate black / white murder ratio.

    What would you guess to be the violent crime ratio in general?

  93. PaceLaw says:
    @Medvedev

    “When their percentage reaches 40-60% all comes to hell, they take over government (Detroit, Baltimore, Washington DC etc), dismantle rayciss laws and prevent police from doing its function.”

    Have to agree with you about Baltimore (which is especially in a death spiral) and Detroit, but you are flatly wrong about DC. DC was high crime in the early to mid-90s, but today it is a tourist’s dream. How could the seat of the federal government and the White House let the city go completely the shit?

  94. PaceLaw says:
    @BennyGee

    As the saying goes “you can have your own opinions, but you can’t have your facts.”

    I require facts my friend. Please provide.

  95. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @william munny

    My guess is robbery stats are even more skewed. Less motivated by passion. Robbery meaning stealing by physical force. It is much less common now than 20 years ago but must be 15-20x vs 8-11x if the white rate. Robbery is the most important crime statistic for determining quality of life in a community.

    Does anyone have data for robbery or for violent crime in general?

  96. KenH says:

    The tweet showing the three “white men” with Indian visages is just one example proving that violent hispanic criminals are considered “white” for statistical reporting purposes. This is where Ron Unz gets things wrong since a lot of statistics he relies on to “prove” that hispanics are no more violent than whites fail to take the conflation of whites with hispanics into account.

  97. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:

    This is where Ron Unz gets things wrong since a lot of statistics he relies on to “prove” that hispanics are no more violent than whites fail to take the conflation of whites with hispanics into account.

    Ron,

    Could you comment? Did you in fact take this into account?

  98. @alaska3636

    Scientists who added up gravity, electromagnetism and both strong and weak forces are stunned to find the sum is barely a fraction of the power of redlining.

    Redlining is more powerful because it operates in all seven dimensions outside of our normal time and space.

  99. @prime noticer

    isn’t their murder rate lower in most african countries? perhaps the individualistic nature of american society doesn’t work well for blacks. Maybe in a tribal society their impulses are held in check by the reality of tribal vengeance and other tribal structures.

    It seems like blacks commit more crime in more developed societies I.e. south africa and jamaica have higher murder rates than Ooga booga. This is an interesting phenomenon I haven’t seen explored on here.

  100. @Colin Wright

    That really is a red herring. For one thing, if you are killed by another white, it’s more likely the case that it’s someone you know — which implies you saw it coming. It was a domestic quarrel or you went into a dive bar and got belligerent or something. You coulda headed it off.

    If you’re going to just get whacked for good times while you’re walking the dog or because you won’t hand over your wallet, the odds that the killer is black must skyrocket.

    Good important point Colin.

    Most murder will be intra-racial because a good bit of it is personal, and you are much more likely to have personal relationships within your own race, starting with family.

    But beyond that different sorts of murders are very different threats to the public order. Some people go looking for trouble–criminal activity (ex. drug trade) or bar fights. Some have chosen boyfriends or girlfriends or just friends unwisely and trouble finds them.

    But sexual jealousy or unhappiness, or a family dispute turning into murder while certainly unfortunate and deserving of punishment is simply not the same threat to the *public* order that a “car jacking gone bad” or “mugging gone bad” or “buglary gone bad” is.

    Civilization entails people being able to walk down the street without being attacked, being able to go to sleep in your house and not have the robbers come. Some level of this sort of general criminality and you no longer have “civilization” but chaos.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  101. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @bigdicknick

    No.

    It’s purely an illusion caused by scanty to non existent recording keeping in ‘underdeveloped’ Africa.
    Rest assured that the real state of play is horrific.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  102. @Bubba

    Similar to complaints of “disproportionate justice”, it’s odd how blacks are “disproportionately affected by STD’s

    Avoiding STD’s is fairly easy if you have self-control (i.e. not having sex with everything that moves) and some forethought (i.e. condoms if you’re going to have indiscriminate sex). Unfortunately those are two things blacks seem to lack.

    • Agree: Bubba
  103. @alaska3636

    “I attempted to create a library of black excellence along the Appalachian Trail. That’s why I focused on short story collections, poetry collections, essay collections—something that people can spend a half-hour reading.”

    So she admits that in creating a library of “black excellence” all there is is short stories, poetry and essays. Inadvertently damning her own people with faint praise.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @bigdicknick
  104. Anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan

    Recall Ron Unz wrote a rather large piece on hispanic crime not being a huge factor in elevating the White rate. I believed he used proxy stats like the violent crime rate of heavily hispanic cities, e g. El Paso, to show that White and hispanic violent crime rates were comparable.

    My experience conflicts with this conclusion.

    I’ve been robed at gunpoint by Latinos. Given my limited exposure to them (very low contact), that event speaks to a high probability and incidence of Latino armed robbery in my city.

    Whereas I’m in contact with Whites all day, every day for decades. I’ve never been robbed at gunpoint by any. This speaks to a non-existent armed robbery rate by Whites in my city.

  105. Anon[176] • Disclaimer says:

    There are no issues with Black integration, so I’m told.

    I grew up in a low crime, Lily White neighborhood. I still live in the same general area.

    Blacks started encroaching about 20 years ago.

    The first Black family moved onto my block two years ago.

    Bullet proof glass was in place at the convenience store for the first time, this week.

    Someone is lying.

  106. BobX says:

    So if true what does that tell us about our gracious hosts theory of Hispanic crime?

  107. ATBOTL says:
    @Henry's Cat

    The percentage of the population that was young men of prime crime years was higher around 1980 than 1990, I believe. That’s what the decline in crime in the first half of the 80’s was attributed to at the time, a falling share of young men. Murders in 1980 were a lot of robberies of civilians, revolver shootings at pool halls in the ghetto and domestic murders.

    In 1990, murders were a lot of gang related and drug dealing related killings with 9mm pistols. The killers were concentrated in a much younger age range than in 1980, with a decline in older killers and a huge increase in teenage killers. Domestic murders have been declining as a share of murders for long time.

  108. ATBOTL says:
    @bomag

    The ratio of blacks to whites keeps increasing. This is one of the most important trends that no one is talking about. Because blacks go out of their way to follow whites everywhere we go and because Asians and Hispanics are both more geographically isolated than blacks, the effect is that whites are now living around far more blacks than they did a generation ago. That is causing an increase in the rate of whites being victimized by blacks as seen in the increase in the percentage of white victims whose killers were black since 1980. This trend is causing a severe decline in the safety and quality of life for many whites. The thing is, this increased contact with blacks is largely happening outside of the major metro areas where white elites live. It’s happening in smaller cities and lower middle class suburbs. White elites are less affected that they were a generation ago by black crime and dysfunction as blacks are pushed out of cities like NYC, DC, Chicago and LA by immigration and gentrification.

  109. @bigdicknick

    i’ve always assumed this was because Ooga Booga is so primitive there are no numbers or statistics from these places. these areas don’t even know how many people are in the country – the UN has to estimate their population. no official government reporting exists.

    this is why latin america usually leads the murder rate charts. the most violent place where somebody, anybody is recording things. new murder record in Mexico this year by the way. 34,000 murders. that’s 93 murders per day. and, Mexico only started recording this number in 1997. so before that, we would only be guessing, and maybe Mexico would show up as a not very violent country since there were no official numbers.

    although it’s possible Ooga Booga really is less violent, i would guess lack of any record keeping is the real situation. remember these places never even had written language and have no recorded history for over 100,000 years. everything was oral history for them. i think South Africa kept no murder records until the 90s, and when they started, the murder rate was sky high. a serious police effort brought it down, but now it’s rising again. 21,000 murders in 2019, about 58 per day.

  110. @bigdicknick

    Another factor mitigating against violence in tribal/rural societies is simply the lower density of population.

  111. anon[176] • Disclaimer says:
    @bigdicknick

    isn’t their murder rate lower in most african countries?

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  112. JMcG says:
    @ThreeCranes

    That stuff isn’t excellent either.

  113. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Places like Puerto Rico and Bahamas are way more murderous than most african countries if their stats are to be believed.

  114. @ThreeCranes

    What about such black inventions as the super soaker, uses for peanuts no one ever adopted, contributing to an iteration of the pacemaker and creating a version of traffic lights? or inventions by guys people mistakenly thought were black like the cotton gin?

  115. @anon

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Places like Puerto Rico and Bahamas are way more murderous than most african countries if their stats are to be believed.

    • Replies: @anon
  116. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @bigdicknick

    Places like Puerto Rico and Bahamas are way more murderous than most african countries if their stats are to be believed.

    Why should we believe these stats? Do you know anyone who has spent time in sub-Saharan Africa?

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
  117. @anon

    do you have a way to estimate sub-saharan african countries murder rates that is more accurate than their stats? Or am I just supposed to take your word for it?

    • Replies: @anon
  118. Brutusale says:
    @Anonymous

    Dad is pretty black. Mom is pretty white.

  119. Art Deco says:
    @ATBOTL

    The ratio of blacks to whites keeps increasing. This is one of the most important trends that no one is talking about.

    No one is talking about it because it is unimportant. The black population is precisely the same share of the general population as it was in 1860, blacks reproduce at the replacement level, and less than 10% of the black population derives from immigration streams.

  120. @ATBOTL

    “The ratio of blacks to whites keeps increasing. This is one of the most important trends that no one is talking about.”

    i post about it from time to time. in particular, the work force under 30 is more african than ever, leading to declining service and standards across the board in low wage businesses.

    most posts talk about the country is “only 13%” african, but the work force is now over 20% african and rising. as older people die off, the country will becoming increasingly african where it matters. people 18 to 58. people those ages do all the stuff, the shaping of the society, and the bulk of the voting. this change is easy to see even to me, and i’ve only been around since the 70s. there are more africans everywhere now. oh, and they’re worse drivers too. another thing people almost never discuss.

    Republican politicians in particular are extremely dependent on OLD europeans over 60. their time is ending. boomers are what keep Republicans in office. not for much longer. once Democrats take full control and move forward with their decriminalization of crime, and de-policing initiatives, it will matter that the prime age population is 20% african. you can see this effect happening in South Africa right now – the influence of the older Dutch and English people is going away and the young population is VERY african. i would guess new births are more than 95% african.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  121. These days information such as this comes under the category of “forbidden knowledge.”

  122. anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @bigdicknick

    do you have a way to estimate sub-saharan african countries murder rates that is more accurate than their stats?

    No. I do not see any way it is possible; if it is not always easy to provide a murder rate from Detroit[1] how does one go about doing that in Nigeria, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, etc? Corruption is endemic for a start. I am skeptical about any numbers out of that region, partly because I know people who have gone there for extended trips, and listened to them when they returned.

    There is an African American serial killer who was in the news late last year. He confessed to a lot of murders, and it happened that many of his victims were street people – homeless, prostitutes, etc. whose deaths had previously been classified as “natural causes”. He strangled them but apparently not too hard. US forensics didn’t detect many of his murders. That’s one example of murders that weren’t counted for years, until the killer was caught.

    You asserted that Africans in sub-Saharan Africa were less murder prone than African Americans. I’m frankly skeptical but do not have evidence either way. Plus I really don’t see why that matters, but apparently it is important to you for some reason or other.

  123. bomag says:
    @ATBOTL

    …Asians and Hispanics are both more geographically isolated than blacks

    They are also able to have individuals and organizations lobby on their behalf purely on racial/ethnic grounds for AA and other considerations; putting them in competition with Blacks for such; thus reducing even more any attractiveness to Blacks of moving next door.

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