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From the NYT:
Is That Even a Thing?
By ALEXANDER STERN APRIL 16, 2016Speakers and writers of American English have recently taken to identifying a staggering and constantly changing array of trends, events, memes, products, lifestyle choices and phenomena of nearly every kind with a single label — a thing. In conversation, mention of a surprising fad, behavior or event is now often met with the question, “Is that actually a thing?” Or “When did that become a thing?” Or “How is that even a thing?” Calling something “a thing” is, in this sense, itself a thing.
I use “a thing” in that sense to mean a recognized conceptual category. The more Things you are aware of, the more you can describe the world. For example, if you don’t know that “hate hoaxes” are a Thing, then you are constantly being surprised when the latest story about fraternity initiation gang rapes on broken glass turns out not to be true.
In contrast, Newspeak in Orwell’s 1984 is intended to reduce the number of Things in the cognitive universe:
When Oldspeak had been once and for all superseded, the last link with the past would have been severed. History had already been rewritten, but fragments of the literature of the past survived here and there, imperfectly censored, and so long as one retained one’s knowledge of Oldspeak it was possible to read them. In the future such fragments, even if they chanced to survive, would be unintelligible and untranslatable. It was impossible to translate any passage of Oldspeak into Newspeak unless it either referred to some technical process or some very simple everyday action, or was already orthodox (goodthinkful would be the Newspeak expression) in tendency. In practice this meant that no book written before approximately 1960 could be translated as a whole. Pre-revolutionary literature could only be subjected to ideological translation — that is, alteration in sense as well as language. Take for example the well-known passage from the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government. . .
It would have been quite impossible to render this into Newspeak while keeping to the sense of the original. The nearest one could come to doing so would be to swallow the whole passage up in the single word crimethink.
To control what is a Thing and what is not a Thing is to have deep power over the thoughts of men.
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Reading the quote from Orwell you post here, I’m struck – for the first time in the two and half decades since I first went to Turkey in 1990 – how 1984 here ironically mirrors Ataturk’s reform of Ottoman Turkish in the 20’s. Contemporary Turks, thanks to that reform, can no longer read anything written in Turkish prior to the 1930’s. Today’s Turkish with its Turkic and Latinate neologisms is “Newspeak,” Ottoman Turkish with all its now defunct Persian and Arabic vocabulary and forms “Oldspeak.”
The deep irony is of course is that that reform was in the service of a “masonic” revolution designed to Westernize and liberalize Turkish society, to subvert its Ottoman and Islamic traditions in favor of Western ones. Traditions perhaps (?) articulated most sublimely in that very part of the Declaration of Independence cited as “crimethink” by Orwell..
Maybe someone ought to page Erdogan? Or is he merely the manifestation of the greater deep state “masonic” plot??
Absolutely. Let there be “things” — many “things! But let some “things” die (e.g., “white privilege”). I think we have to come up with words and phrases that allow us to take on Leftists without automatically leading the typically educated person of typical intelligence to think “racist” or “misogynist.” That’s why I’m big on using the phrase “European or European-derived” (EED) when referring to Western nations and people. It gets around the word “white,” the use of which makes too many people automatically think of people who actually hate non-whites and think of them as ontologically inferior, less beloved by God, and all that.
What else do we need words and phrases for to expand people’s minds and/or to get them able to think about things without bringing up the same tired old slurs?
OT: What’s your take on Ted Cruz and his campaign?
See also ‘jawn’: http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-enduring-mystery-of-jawn-philadelphias-allpurpose-noun
In the age of social media (the mob combined with mass media), the vocabulary reduces to fit the lowest common denominator. Like, you get me, bruh?
A few years ago the comedian Adam Carolla was speaking about transvestites on his podcast and said, “When did we start giving a shit about these people?”
Or his statement could have been translated as, “Transpeople are now formally protected from all jokes and criticisms, when did that happen?”
Carolla promptly apologized.
I remember when Adam Carolla was shitting all over the Filipinos. He was talking about how they treat the boxer Manny Pacquiao like he was Jesus Christ because that is all they have going for them. The Philippines as an economy produces absolutely nothing. They are worthless.
Manny Pacquiao is predicted to one day become president of The Philippines. That would be the equivalent of Mexico electing Oscar De La Hoya to be president. That is how much of a joke The Philippines is.
No wonder so many Chinese, Japanese, and South Koreans do not want to be racially lumped in with Filipinos.Replies: @AndrewR, @William Badwhite
Orwell is the gift that keeps on giving.
Among the words that will form part of Oldspeak are “man” and “woman”:
From an article in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/us/social-club-at-harvard-rejects-calls-to-admit-women-citing-risk-of-sexual-misconduct.html
I predict that men- and women-identified people will be shortened to mips and wips and those who are neither will be nips.
The article itself is hilarious. The Porcellian “final club” at Harvard gave as a rationale for not admitting women the idea that if they were to let women into their club, they might then be accused of raping them. By strictly excluding women from their clubhouse, no rapes of wips by mips can ever take place, (nor can they falsely be accused of same). This only sent the Left into further apoplexy – how dare they use our own canards against us? Don’t they know that canards can only be used as a club AGAINST the patriarchy and never to defend it?
Actually I'm kind of inclined to believe both.Replies: @Brutusale
Better come up with a different word there.Replies: @Jack D
Some things are just unthingable.
One would think a US representative has much more important things to do than publicly (and extremely inflammatorily) weigh in on the membership rules of a college club. So either Clark is negligent in her duties or we have too many congressmen.
Actually I’m kind of inclined to believe both.
I expect her to be mentioned as presidential timber any moment now.Replies: @AndrewR
The difficulty of trying to make a thing a thing.
And as for what that girl (oops i mean girl identified person) said, it’s pretty disheartening to see that even students of hard sciences are using SJW lingo. I mean one can personally know and like transgendered individuals without using this PC Newspeak. Is she worried about social censure if she says something quaint like “men and women”?
It’s your thing
Do watcha wanna do
I can’t tell ya
Who(m) to sock it to
One of the interesting patterns in recent decades is that the people who are a Thing (and who need to be a Thing to be listened to) have expanded from, say music and movies to politics and journalism. That is, identity politics isn’t just about basing your politics around identity, it’s about basing identity around politically-salient categories, and consequently we’ve increasingly taken to say, awarding the Nobel Prize to people like Barack Obama and Malala Yousafzai for what they represent as a symbolic token rather than any clear action, for being the Thing that the ideology requires.
“Newspeak in Orwell’s 1984 is intended to reduce the number of Things in the cognitive universe”…thus reducing the number of possible Thinks.
“…and those who are neither will be nips.”
Better come up with a different word there.
THIS is a THING:
Very politically incorrect to have a doggy be the bad guy.
I use “a thing” in that sense to mean a recognized conceptual category
Steve,
Is there such a thing as a non-conceptual category?
Growing up, we used the word thing a lot, when we were too lazy or slow of mind to find the right word: “Could you please hand me that thing? You know, that thing.”
(You know was also ubiquitous, and thank God it went away. Only Barry Obama uses it now, usually in a lazy, abbreviated form thus: “Y’o, it’s like I know everything and I’m the president…” Watch him and you’ll see what I mean.
And now, I can’t resist this musical interlude:
The phrase “Is that even a thing?” has a specific usage. I first encountered the phrase when listening to my then college-age daughter, and was quite struck by it. The intended meaning of “thing” in this phrase is something like
“An activity that a substantial number of people do.”
For example, take “whale-watching”. This does not mean “I happened to see a whale.” “Whale-watching” means that I bought stuff to do it with, I paid for tickets to do it, I rode with a number of other people on a specially-designed boat on a voyage the specific purpose of which was finding, getting close to and yes, watching whales.
The phrase “Is that even a thing?” expresses something more, namely, incredulity or at least doubt, that something is an activity that a number of people do. If you asked “Is whale-watching even a thing?” you are expressing at least doubt that people really engage in whale-watching as an organized activity. (Well, I’ve done this myself, and I can assure you that whale-watching is, indeed, a thing.)
However, when a native speaker (I’d say a millennial) uses this phrase, they are sometimes doing more than simply expressing doubt that the named activity is actually recognized as an activity, and is done by a substantial number of people.
They are trying to control what is a thing, in the sense of the last sentence of your post. They are seeking to have deep power over the thoughts and activities of their social group.
I’ve read 1984 probably twenty times over, back and forth.
I’ve come to the opinion that Orwell wrote “The Theory and Practice of Oligarcal Collectivism” (the heretical book O’Brien gives Winston) first and wrote the rest of the fiction around it.
Most people only have a superficial understanding of 1984: Big Brother, telescreens, etc.
It’s some seriously deep shit.
I find the excerpts fascinating, but untenable and prohibitively convoluted to be real history, political science, sociology, or whatever it was. But fit for the purposes. What was the purpose, by the way? It's implied Goldstein might not exist, or if he did exist that he didn't write the book. That the book was written to entrap thought criminals. So you can't take it at face value.
Better come up with a different word there.Replies: @Jack D
Tips? Zips?
Yes. The Party is keeping track of your public statements. One slip could destroy your career, especially in academia.
Steve is bringing up this point about what constitutes a thing at about the same time I have discovered that you can’t type the word “anti-white” in the Washington Times comment section. Your comment will be blocked if you do. This prevents you from writing the phrases “anti-white violence,” “anti-white policies,” and “ant-white racism.” You can, however, write anti-black, anti-Asian, or anti-Muslim without hindrance.
Purportedly, the Washington Times is s “conservative” news source. However, it frequently takes pro-establishment GOP and anti-Trump positions so I dropped it from my bookmarks.
In seriousness, that was probably just a lazy way of dealing with that retard
ded "africa for the africans" copypasta that many WNs on the left side of the bell curve enjoy spamming.Replies: @AndrewR
What even is is that even a thing?
It is a thing.
We need a Thing Tank or Thing Tang.
Leftism went from principles to fashions.
Silk-diaper babies.
“Do me a favor, could you call me ‘senator’ not ‘ma’am’?” It’s just a thing…”
Said the unpleasant harpy, Barbara Boxer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjIXwkX1e48
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ftmr17M-a4Replies: @stillCARealist
wow, I remember really liking that movie. The opening scene has a helicopter chasing and shooting at a dog. I’d never seen that before. Dogs are categorically holy. Anyway, the dog gets saved and winds up being the evil transmitter of the Thing.
Very politically incorrect to have a doggy be the bad guy.
In the age of social media (the mob combined with mass media), the vocabulary reduces to fit the lowest common denominator. Like, you get me, bruh?Replies: @Marty
The current phrase among dindus is, “feel me?”
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/mar/30/best-selling-author-jessica-knoll-reveals-she-was-gang-raped-at-15
Unlike her book’s heroine Jessica wasn’t gang raped by a lacrosse team, just Texas morons.
RE: Policing language,
After the Wachowski brothers decided to go public with their autogynephilia, the Lumpengentsia sites went full-Maoist. More-PC-than-thou types started to complain when people would refer to them as the “Wachowskis,” called it “trans-erasure.” After that, people started talking non-stop about the “Wachowski sisters”:
In 1987 I watched as a dispute developed between two 30-ish blacks on the basketball court. As the heavier guy got ready to escalate on the skinnier guy, the latter said plaintively, “it ain’t no thang.” Didn’t work – he got chased into the street.
Just watched John Bolton defending Saudi Arabia over 9/11 on Fox. Why do Neo-Cons want war with Russia but defend Saudi Arabia to the death? Jews couldn´t like Saudi Arabia very much. Why do they get a pass? Why is that a Thing!?
Yep, your question really is OT – way OT.
And from Lewis Carroll’s “Through the Looking Glass”:
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
Lewis Carroll's version (1871):
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”
Lenin's version (attributed) (1921):
Весь вопрос — кто кого опередит?
["The whole question is — who will overtake whom?"]
Leon Trotsky's pithier version (1925):
кто кого?
[Who? Whom?]
Stalin attributed Trotsky's pithier version to Lenin in a speech in 1929, and Lenin has gotten all the credit for the phrase ever since.
(You know was also ubiquitous, and thank God it went away. Only Barry Obama uses it now, usually in a lazy, abbreviated form thus: "Y'o, it's like I know everything and I'm the president..." Watch him and you'll see what I mean.
And now, I can't resist this musical interlude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMLG8mnCRMReplies: @Hubbub, @Jack D
Obama also likes to use the word ‘Stuff’ to signify Things – another sign of his intellectual powers of discern-ment.
What else do we need words and phrases for to expand people's minds and/or to get them able to think about things without bringing up the same tired old slurs?Replies: @AndrewR
There is no logical reason for “white” and “European-derived” to be seen as mutually inclusive terms, but many people of any ethnicity and political persuasion make this categorical error
(You know was also ubiquitous, and thank God it went away. Only Barry Obama uses it now, usually in a lazy, abbreviated form thus: "Y'o, it's like I know everything and I'm the president..." Watch him and you'll see what I mean.
And now, I can't resist this musical interlude:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPMLG8mnCRMReplies: @Hubbub, @Jack D
In Philadelphia (particularly among blacks) the all-purpose word is “jawn”, except that jawn is even broader – it can refer to any person, place or thing. That jawn, she’s really hot. We went to that jawn last night. Give me some of that jawn. Etc.
The NY Times is very slow on this trend. The phrase “is that even a thing?” as a cultural meme has been around at least a decade. I’ve heard it in sitcoms and from stand up comedians for at least that long.
I’ve noted the NY Times are either slow on trends or else note “trends” that aren’t in the popular culture but instead pranked on them by a few isolated hipsters.
They’re gullible dorks, basically.
I would surmise that things have gotten so bad at this paper of record that, instead of simply reporting accurately the news of the day (which, reality being opposed to their ongoing narratives, would quickly derail the entire establishment), they instead indulge whatever bit of trite nonsense happens to intrude into their minds in their heroic effort to fill up blank pieces of paper. Everything I ever read from the New York Times leaves me with the distinct impression of having been a make-work project for soi-disant intellectuals, with no real audience and nothing to motivate it outside of the solipsistic needs of their own coterie.
This whole culture of writing about nothing, blogging about nothing, social media-ing about nothing, has become rather de rigueur in modern society. Apparently that, too, is a "thing." Apparently we need an ever-growing profusion of "things" to ameliorate our ennui and distract us from the dawning recognition that modern life is a complex of institutionalized frauds, an orchestration of compulsory depravity, and a directionless waste of human tissue. To generate things, engage in things, and report about things are the only sorts of activities we have left, notwithstanding the fact that it all adds up to nihilism. I believe a similar attitude prevailed in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Jazz Age, and was especially prevalent in the discotheques of Paris and Berlin ca. 1939, before the outbreak of war. It is the characteristic symptom a world that has reached its sell-by date, of a used-up social compact and a restless people about to stumble into another global conflagration.Replies: @Jack D
After the Wachowski brothers decided to go public with their autogynephilia, the Lumpengentsia sites went full-Maoist. More-PC-than-thou types started to complain when people would refer to them as the "Wachowskis," called it "trans-erasure." After that, people started talking non-stop about the "Wachowski sisters":Replies: @Mr. Anon
The transformation in the language surrounding “transpersons” (formerly, “wierdos”) has been amazingly fast. Now, you’re some kind of knuckle-dragging bigot if you simply refuse to indulge someone else’s self-delusions. The rapid adoption of Orwellian language such as referring to the “Wachowski sisters”, is however unsurprising coming from people who think that the Wachowski brothers are anything more than evil degenerate hacks who are unfit for any endeavor beyond running a pornographic peep-show gallery.
“Imagine, all that fuss over such a little thing.”–David Niven at the 1974 Academy Awards Ceremony after the streaker ran onstage and left.
Here:
I thing, therefore I am.
“And nobody has to” thing “too much on. . .Desolation Row.”
So “the only thing we have to fear, is” thing “itself.”
OT, Andy Jackson is getting the axe this week. He will be removed from the $20 bill. Apparently the Broadway musical has saved Hamilton.
They say this won’t go into effect until 2030. Should Trump run on the platform that he won’t replace Jackson? Given that Trump is the new Jackson, he should do it.
Oh, the pander, the pander .....Replies: @Jack D, @syonredux
Third rate countries (of whose ranks we seem eager to join) have ever changing colorful play money - the US dollar was as recognizable and iconic as Coca Cola. Messing with it physically is a signal that it is OK to mess with it in other ways - maybe you have to turn in all your "old" dollars for "new" ones and explain to the IRS and the FBI where you got all that cash from? Maybe there should be a cap on the amount you can turn in. Etc. Shitty countries with shitty currency do this kind of stuff all the time. Why not us?Replies: @iSteveFan
For the first time in my life, I have to give kudos to the Porcellian club……
Just watched John Bolton defending Saudi Arabia over 9/11 on Fox. Why do Neo-Cons want war with Russia but defend Saudi Arabia to the death? Why is that a Thing!?
I mean I get it (the money from those places is just too sweet), but it's unwise, macro-civilizationally, no? Capitalists will sell us rope, indeed.
Either they don't think Islam was at war with civilization, or they don't care, or they think that unlike Ivan, Mahmoud lacks the skills to actually do something with the modern toys, such as copy or re-purpose them, which is personally flattering, but still kinda dumb...
From the link:
It’s gotta be Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks is too small fry.
I hope Carrie Nation is on it.
Probably the “I Have a Dream” speech: royalties to be paid to the King conglomerate.
Oh, the pander, the pander …..
Does a " woman representing the struggle for racial equality" have to be a black woman? That goes without saying.
They didn't mention Carrie and won't use her - no one want to be reminded that the "good" struggle for women's suffrage was inexorably connected to the "bad" struggle for Prohibition. Here iconic image (maybe the one they could use on the bill) is her carrying wielding an ax to be used to smash saloons. This is like connecting Margaret Sanger's struggle for birth control ("good") with her struggle for racial eugenics ("bad").
Emily Dickinson
Willa Cather
Mary Cassatt
Edith Wharton
We've got too many political figures on our currency.Replies: @Jack D, @rod1963
Oh, the pander, the pander .....Replies: @Jack D, @syonredux
I suggest Assata Shakur (aka Joanne Chesimard).
Does a ” woman representing the struggle for racial equality” have to be a black woman? That goes without saying.
They didn’t mention Carrie and won’t use her – no one want to be reminded that the “good” struggle for women’s suffrage was inexorably connected to the “bad” struggle for Prohibition. Here iconic image (maybe the one they could use on the bill) is her carrying wielding an ax to be used to smash saloons. This is like connecting Margaret Sanger’s struggle for birth control (“good”) with her struggle for racial eugenics (“bad”).
“For example, if you don’t know that “hate hoaxes” are a Thing, then you are constantly being surprised when the latest story about fraternity initiation gang rapes on broken glass turns out not to be true.”
African Americans who stage fake hate crime hoaxes never claim that the racist perpetrator is Hispanic or Asian.
Are African American Social Justice Warriors saying that Yellow and Brown are not capable of being racist against Blacks?
Nope, too late. The Overton Window of American currency has shifted left and it can never shift back. Never mind that for the last century all Presidents, left or right, supported a currency that was stable and unchanging (physically if not in terms of value). From now on, anyone against this is a KKK loving reactionary.
Third rate countries (of whose ranks we seem eager to join) have ever changing colorful play money – the US dollar was as recognizable and iconic as Coca Cola. Messing with it physically is a signal that it is OK to mess with it in other ways – maybe you have to turn in all your “old” dollars for “new” ones and explain to the IRS and the FBI where you got all that cash from? Maybe there should be a cap on the amount you can turn in. Etc. Shitty countries with shitty currency do this kind of stuff all the time. Why not us?
Note how he has to spell it out. One might think that saying Americans would be enough. But there are an awful lot of “Americans” running around these days who can’t speak a lick of English.
Even now, 950 years after the Norman invasion, English is still a Germanic tongue, and Germanic words (of which thing is one) are still the best for cutting through bullshit.
Non-Germanic: “I self-identify as a non-binary transgendered person.”
Germanic: “Sometimes I feel like I’m a woman; at other times, like I’m a man.”
That sounds silly, doesn’t it? It brings to mind that old Almond Joys commercial: “Sometimes I feel like I have nuts; sometimes I don’t.”
I say that anyone who doesn’t even know whether he or she is a he, she, or it is full of s/he/it.
Or his statement could have been translated as, "Transpeople are now formally protected from all jokes and criticisms, when did that happen?"
Carolla promptly apologized.Replies: @Jefferson
“A few years ago the comedian Adam Carolla was speaking about transvestites on his podcast and said, “When did we start giving a shit about these people?”
I remember when Adam Carolla was shitting all over the Filipinos. He was talking about how they treat the boxer Manny Pacquiao like he was Jesus Christ because that is all they have going for them. The Philippines as an economy produces absolutely nothing. They are worthless.
Manny Pacquiao is predicted to one day become president of The Philippines. That would be the equivalent of Mexico electing Oscar De La Hoya to be president. That is how much of a joke The Philippines is.
No wonder so many Chinese, Japanese, and South Koreans do not want to be racially lumped in with Filipinos.
All that said, they're not bad people at all, relative to other NAM's.
Third rate countries (of whose ranks we seem eager to join) have ever changing colorful play money - the US dollar was as recognizable and iconic as Coca Cola. Messing with it physically is a signal that it is OK to mess with it in other ways - maybe you have to turn in all your "old" dollars for "new" ones and explain to the IRS and the FBI where you got all that cash from? Maybe there should be a cap on the amount you can turn in. Etc. Shitty countries with shitty currency do this kind of stuff all the time. Why not us?Replies: @iSteveFan
Trump has changed the Overton Window in some areas. Maybe he can do the same with Jackson. I don’t think Jackson is getting enough credit for his service in both the Revolution and the War of 1812. Those were the only two wars in which the US was actually fighting to remain independent, and thus arguably the most important wars we’ve fought. Jackson was recognized as a hero by his troops and contemporaries. His presence on the $20 bill is more justified that Gerald Ford’s or George Bush’s name on a super carrier.
There was another war in which part of the US was fighting for independence, though not the other part.
https://youtu.be/w2AfQ5pa59A?list=PLjv-dDFJt4E_ukAiH0N0Lxhq7UUjDxGEg
Admittedly quite funny...
We don’t use “thing” because there is a staggering and constantly changing array of “things” coming at us. They had things in Victorian times, too. Asking “is that even a thing?” points to their changing nature, as well as the staggered way they hit different people. But it’s not as if they require specialized knowledge to comprehend. It’s not the jargon of quantum mechanics, or anything. “Things” are mostly superficial, pop-culture stuff.
The reason we call them Things is because we are inarticulate and lazy, and can’t be bothered to be less vague. It’s also because inarticulateness is funny. Not witty funny, but stupid funny. I guarantee usage of “thing” and “stuff” has been on a drastic upward swing in recent decades, both because we’re getting lazier and because our humor is getting dumber. Also because the things we talk about are less real, more abstract and ephemeral. Stupid Victorians could talk about farming things or wooden things, for instance, because they knew them. We know the internet, in a manner of speaking, but it is Cloudcuckooland, and most people aren’t equipped to understand it or describe it if they do.
Nobel Prizes have long been in the business of Public Relations, which is Thing Heaven. It applies to the hard sciences, even. Read “Nobel Dreams” by Gary Taubes. Obama is just the most ridiculous example (of which I know).
“What even is is that even a thing?”
It is a thing.
Anti-white? What are you, some doubleplusungood crimethinker?
In seriousness, that was probably just a lazy way of dealing with that retard
ded “africa for the africans” copypasta that many WNs on the left side of the bell curve enjoy spamming.
Funnier than, “Know what I’m sayin’?”
I remember when Adam Carolla was shitting all over the Filipinos. He was talking about how they treat the boxer Manny Pacquiao like he was Jesus Christ because that is all they have going for them. The Philippines as an economy produces absolutely nothing. They are worthless.
Manny Pacquiao is predicted to one day become president of The Philippines. That would be the equivalent of Mexico electing Oscar De La Hoya to be president. That is how much of a joke The Philippines is.
No wonder so many Chinese, Japanese, and South Koreans do not want to be racially lumped in with Filipinos.Replies: @AndrewR, @William Badwhite
Japan and Korea are very ethnically homogenous. China is too, relative to its massive size and population. But the Philippines is an extremely ethnically diverse land. It’s no surprise that it would take an athlete for people to unite around. What other country does that sound like to you?
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don't exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes.Replies: @syonredux, @AndrewR, @Jonathan Silber
Oh, the pander, the pander .....Replies: @Jack D, @syonredux
And I still say that an opportunity has been missed. Replace Jackson, sure, but use a woman from the arts and the sciences:
Emily Dickinson
Willa Cather
Mary Cassatt
Edith Wharton
We’ve got too many political figures on our currency.
As far I'm concerned our money went right into the shitter when we started replacing the above images with dead old statists on the coins and debasing the coinage of intrinsic value.
In regards to women on money, we already tried that when the US Mint issued Susan B. Anthony and Sakagewa coins they looked like car wash tokens. No wanted them.
As for paper money, it's always been glorified tissue paper. At this stage of the game, I don't think many people care what happens with it.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
Reason one zillion why Adam Carolla is my Jesus.
He has an awesome regular guest called Jo Koy (who he just gave his own podcast on his network, too). Koy is Philipino. All the people in Koy’s family are nurses, male and female. Carolla is basically, “Is that because they aren’t smart or motivated enough to become doctors?” Koy did not do much to dispute this.
Carolla also said that the reason the Philipines is so poor and f-ed up is because the mothers are always in the US and Canada, working these nothing stupid jobs. That if they just STAYED in the Philipines, they’d have less cash, but maybe the country as a whole would be better off without these millions of absentee moms whose kids resent them going off to look after other people’s children.
And then we could have nurses, counter staff etc who could understand us and we could understand them. What a concept! Yes, I would pay more for my goddam donut, Tim Hortons!
People talk about what nice people Philipinos are but for all the reasons above I actually think they’re mostly mediocre, shortsighted, greedy — and crappy parents. But they go around acting all religious so people will think they’re nice and wonderful.
Emily Dickinson
Willa Cather
Mary Cassatt
Edith Wharton
We've got too many political figures on our currency.Replies: @Jack D, @rod1963
If we are going to use figures from the arts and sciences, shouldn’t we choose the greatest (of any gender)? Are the 4 people that you listed REALLY the four greatest American artists or scientists of all time? Greater than Whitman or Twain or Whistler or Oppenheimer or 20 others?
For a gender-neutral list, my top picks would be:
Thomas Edison
Wright Bros
Howard Hawks*
John Ford*
Orson Welles*
William Faulkner
Edward Hopper
William James
*Should have DW Griffith in there, but there's no chance in Hell that that will ever happen. He's now an unperson.Replies: @dumpstersquirrel
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."Replies: @vinteuil
Let’s give credit where credit is due on the “who/whom” thing:
Lewis Carroll’s version (1871):
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
Lenin’s version (attributed) (1921):
Весь вопрос — кто кого опередит?
[“The whole question is — who will overtake whom?”]
Leon Trotsky’s pithier version (1925):
кто кого?
[Who? Whom?]
Stalin attributed Trotsky’s pithier version to Lenin in a speech in 1929, and Lenin has gotten all the credit for the phrase ever since.
“Those were the only two wars in which the US was actually fighting to remain independent”
There was another war in which part of the US was fighting for independence, though not the other part.
Heidegger wrote a lot about the “thing”, often stressing the old-germanic roots of the word of describing a assembly were important public matters were discussed
Emily Dickinson
Willa Cather
Mary Cassatt
Edith Wharton
We've got too many political figures on our currency.Replies: @Jack D, @rod1963
I like the old coins based on precious metals where we had Indians, Buffalo’s, Eagles and Goddess on them. They are works of art and class.
As far I’m concerned our money went right into the shitter when we started replacing the above images with dead old statists on the coins and debasing the coinage of intrinsic value.
In regards to women on money, we already tried that when the US Mint issued Susan B. Anthony and Sakagewa coins they looked like car wash tokens. No wanted them.
As for paper money, it’s always been glorified tissue paper. At this stage of the game, I don’t think many people care what happens with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Gaudens_double_eagle
OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3544150/Black-soldiers-sue-Ministry-Defence-saying-suffered-cold-injuries-bosses-took-no-account-skin-colour.html
“A black former soldier is suing the Ministry of Defence for injuries sustained during winter training when he claims his hands were exposed to freezing temperatures. Abdoulie Bojang, 30, was training in Banff, Canada, and is seeking £200,000 after he says his hands were exposed to temperatures of -30C. He claims the army ‘failed to take into account his ethnicity’ during the training exercises, according to the Sunday Times.
A spokesman for solicitors Bolt Burdon Kemp said: ‘Service personnel of African and Afro-Caribbean descent, including those of mixed race, are particularly vulnerable in low temperatures.’ According to one lawyer at Irwin Mitchell at least 450 Commonwealth soldiers have suffered cold injuries in the past decade. “
Race is a fiction, but ethnicity is real.
I find the majority of memes and neologisms irritating (at best), but “a thing” is a pretty useful one. If there’s a better shorthand for “identifiable/legitimate cultural phenomenon” then I haven’t heard it.
"Trend"
Seeing as how people seem to want a woman, I was limiting myself to a female-only list.
For a gender-neutral list, my top picks would be:
Thomas Edison
Wright Bros
Howard Hawks*
John Ford*
Orson Welles*
William Faulkner
Edward Hopper
William James
*Should have DW Griffith in there, but there’s no chance in Hell that that will ever happen. He’s now an unperson.
Stop it already. There's no way the visage on the 20-spot will be chosen on merit. That visage will be a figure which maximally irritates White men of normal sexuality, it will in a sense force normal White men to participate in the degeneracy of the person depicted on the 20-spot, the most widely used denomination, the one you get at the ATM and the checkstand when you get cash back. This is by design.
The most qualified will be:
0) Woman (this is a certainty, it's already been declared)
1) Black (possibly mexican, but doubtful, because blacks would throw a massive collective public temper tantrum)
2) Sexually confused (either sodomite and/or he-she)Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Jack D, @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe
I've come to the opinion that Orwell wrote "The Theory and Practice of Oligarcal Collectivism" (the heretical book O'Brien gives Winston) first and wrote the rest of the fiction around it.
Most people only have a superficial understanding of 1984: Big Brother, telescreens, etc.
It's some seriously deep shit.Replies: @Tom-in-VA, @guest
Have you read Orwell’s essay “James Burnham and the Managerial Revolution?” I think you would really appreciate it. Burnham’s thinking clearly influenced Orwell. I believe you are correct about Orwell writing the chapters of Goldstein’s book first.
I also saw a vision (I suppose it's actually Burnham's) of what we now call the deep state.
From the essay:
"The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the name of “managers”. These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands."
From the book:
"What kind of people would control this new world had been equally obvious. The new aristocracy was made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, trade-union organizers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists and professional politicians. These people [...] as compared with their opposite numbers in past ages, they were less avaricious, less tempted by luxury, hungrier for pure power, and, above all, more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition."Replies: @Spotted Toad
I’d go with “xips.”
"!xi!ps"
Nice and Vibrant.Replies: @SPMoore8
Steve, I know you’ve talked a lot about retconning and recently I’ve noticed a bit of retlibbing or retprogging out there as well. I was watching something on tv and ran into a commercial run by the City of San Francisco talking about how it’s always been a “diverse city”. My ass it has.
I think this phenomenon also applies to the Emma Lazarus shtick specifically and immigration generally. I told someone the other day about how Ted Kennedy had once promised that immigration changes would not alter the ethnic makeup of this country. The person couldn’t believe it – we were always fully willing to embrace any and all immigrants to America!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pubd-spHN-0Replies: @Decius
I thought of that very scene recently because of Heartiste’s effort to make “based” happen. I really don’t think “based” is going to to happen.
It’s a thing.
OT: why does the West allow that oil sheikhs (and China, for that matter) have driverless trains when Russia couldn’t legally import a 386 even if she had had the money?
I mean I get it (the money from those places is just too sweet), but it’s unwise, macro-civilizationally, no? Capitalists will sell us rope, indeed.
Either they don’t think Islam was at war with civilization, or they don’t care, or they think that unlike Ivan, Mahmoud lacks the skills to actually do something with the modern toys, such as copy or re-purpose them, which is personally flattering, but still kinda dumb…
“Cuckservative” is a Thing.
I’ve heard this. I always thought they were saying “joint” though.
Guest, That thang you be talking about, is spelled Nome Sane, feel me?
OT: A nice source about Unauthorized Immigrant Population Profiles in the US by state and even some counties.
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/us-immigration-policy-program-data-hub/unauthorized-immigrant-population-profiles
Add a couple of clicks.
“!xi!ps”
Nice and Vibrant.
Actually I'm kind of inclined to believe both.Replies: @Brutusale
Olive Oyl Clark is my Congresscritter, and her career has been one of womyn’s rights, holding Martha Coakley’s coattails and voting present on any bill that has any meaning. How bright is she? I once asked her how things were going in the Duma, and she had no clue what I was talking about.
I expect her to be mentioned as presidential timber any moment now.
I am sure many neo-cons (and regular cons and liberals too) and are on the Saudi payroll one way or the other. I am sure there are donations to foundations, to endowments, to universities. Besides, working at doing nothing except making bad predictions over and over and over normally does not pay very well. But I have read that the Saudis are very generous in their donations policy.
As far I'm concerned our money went right into the shitter when we started replacing the above images with dead old statists on the coins and debasing the coinage of intrinsic value.
In regards to women on money, we already tried that when the US Mint issued Susan B. Anthony and Sakagewa coins they looked like car wash tokens. No wanted them.
As for paper money, it's always been glorified tissue paper. At this stage of the game, I don't think many people care what happens with it.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
Back then, we had people like Augustus Saint-Gaudens designing our coinage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Gaudens_double_eagle
As far I'm concerned our money went right into the shitter when we started replacing the above images with dead old statists on the coins and debasing the coinage of intrinsic value.
In regards to women on money, we already tried that when the US Mint issued Susan B. Anthony and Sakagewa coins they looked like car wash tokens. No wanted them.
As for paper money, it's always been glorified tissue paper. At this stage of the game, I don't think many people care what happens with it.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
Back then, we had people like Augustus Saint-Gaudens designing our coinage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Saint-Gaudens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Gaudens_double_eagle
The War of 1812 had nothing to do with American independence: it was a simple attempt to grab Canada while Britain was busy with Napoleon. Since the USA achieved neither its true war aims, nor even the pretexts on which it had gone to war, it was an unambiguous defeat.
Really, the whole thing might as well have never happened....
The only positives that spring to mind are naval, as the war at sea engendered a host of important memories for the US Navy: Old Ironsides, Stephen Decatur, David Porter and the
Essex, etc, etc. Plus, it provided material for Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey–Maturin series:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Ironsides_(poem)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Decatur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Porter_(naval_officer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(1799)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Far_Side_of_the_WorldReplies: @iSteveFan
I've noted the NY Times are either slow on trends or else note "trends" that aren't in the popular culture but instead pranked on them by a few isolated hipsters.
They're gullible dorks, basically.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
If I recall correctly, in the movie City Slickers (released 1991), when the idea of the cattle drive vacation is first mooted, Daniel Stern speaks this bit of dialogue to Billy Crystal:
So here we have the “thing” thing used with perfect comprehensibility and self-assurance as early as 1991, a full twenty-five years before the New York Times picked up on the matter, and this despite the fact the the whole Billy Crystal—Rob Reiner set is among their most thoroughgoing of ideological confreres.
I would surmise that things have gotten so bad at this paper of record that, instead of simply reporting accurately the news of the day (which, reality being opposed to their ongoing narratives, would quickly derail the entire establishment), they instead indulge whatever bit of trite nonsense happens to intrude into their minds in their heroic effort to fill up blank pieces of paper. Everything I ever read from the New York Times leaves me with the distinct impression of having been a make-work project for soi-disant intellectuals, with no real audience and nothing to motivate it outside of the solipsistic needs of their own coterie.
This whole culture of writing about nothing, blogging about nothing, social media-ing about nothing, has become rather de rigueur in modern society. Apparently that, too, is a “thing.” Apparently we need an ever-growing profusion of “things” to ameliorate our ennui and distract us from the dawning recognition that modern life is a complex of institutionalized frauds, an orchestration of compulsory depravity, and a directionless waste of human tissue. To generate things, engage in things, and report about things are the only sorts of activities we have left, notwithstanding the fact that it all adds up to nihilism. I believe a similar attitude prevailed in F. Scott Fitzgerald’s Jazz Age, and was especially prevalent in the discotheques of Paris and Berlin ca. 1939, before the outbreak of war. It is the characteristic symptom a world that has reached its sell-by date, of a used-up social compact and a restless people about to stumble into another global conflagration.
BTW I looked up the wikipedia article on discos (a subsection of their nightclub article) and it was utterly horrid. It's amazing that some wikipedia articles are truly better than were ever found in Britannica or any other printed encyclopedia and others are sheer crap.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
"!xi!ps"
Nice and Vibrant.Replies: @SPMoore8
When someone devises a set of personal pronouns that are gender neutral and also sound like someone is choking or vomiting, we will have arrived.
I expect her to be mentioned as presidential timber any moment now.Replies: @AndrewR
Lol that does seem like a random question to ask a congresscreature. What was the context? Were you using Duma as a metaphor for the US Congress or was Russia a topic at hand?
When I made the comment, she turned her head sideways like a confused dog. I told her to go home and Google it!
Maybe it could be considered a "gotcha" comment, and I know it may be asking for a lot, but I expect my elected officials to have a certain minimum of cultural knowledge.
She or someone on her staff recently decided it would be a good idea to get involved in the Gamergate contretemps and support the female developers against the evil males, not knowing that both sides of the issue contain members far brighter and committed than any politician. She was "swatted" a couple months ago for her trouble. I would imagine she knows about the Chans now.
It’s our thing. It’s Cosa Nostra.
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/us-immigration-policy-program-data-hub/unauthorized-immigrant-population-profilesReplies: @SPMoore8
Looks like the illegals are overwhelmingly Mexican; and CA and TX (3.0 M and 1.5 M, respectively) blow everyone else out of the water.
In seriousness, that was probably just a lazy way of dealing with that retard
ded "africa for the africans" copypasta that many WNs on the left side of the bell curve enjoy spamming.Replies: @AndrewR
Lol I have a typo in a comment in which I cast intellectual aspersions. Oops. Disregard the “ded” and add an “-ed” at the end of “retard”
“never smile at anyone”
Conquering Canada was something of an obsession for Jefferson. Don’t really know why, as it’s not that valuable. Perhaps it just came down to kicking the British out:
On the other hand, the USA didn’t end up making any damaging concessions. So, the British didn’t get an Amerind client-state in the old Northwest. Territorial claims just went back to the status quo ante.
Really, the whole thing might as well have never happened….
The only positives that spring to mind are naval, as the war at sea engendered a host of important memories for the US Navy: Old Ironsides, Stephen Decatur, David Porter and the
Essex, etc, etc. Plus, it provided material for Patrick O’Brien’s Aubrey–Maturin series:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Ironsides_(poem)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Decatur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Porter_(naval_officer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(1799)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Far_Side_of_the_World
Let’s see. Thousands of Americans were impressed into the Royal Navy. The Capitol was burned and DC was occupied by a foreign force. Had the British won, they might have tried to reestablish their former colonies. Though not on the same level as our Revolution, the War of 1812 was certainly more of a fight to keep foreign forces out of the US than any war we’ve fought since.
Really, the whole thing might as well have never happened....
The only positives that spring to mind are naval, as the war at sea engendered a host of important memories for the US Navy: Old Ironsides, Stephen Decatur, David Porter and the
Essex, etc, etc. Plus, it provided material for Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey–Maturin series:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Ironsides_(poem)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Decatur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Porter_(naval_officer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Essex_(1799)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Far_Side_of_the_WorldReplies: @iSteveFan
We also got our national anthem from this war, a naval action no less. But I think you have to add in Old Hickory’s defeat of the British at New Orleans. His force was outnumbered and managed to rout the British. In fact it was so impressive Old Hickory was able to ride it to the White House a couple decades later and get his mug on the $20 bill.
The most important fighting came after Napoleon's abdication in April, 1814. The British planned to invade America from three points: Niagara, Lake Champlain and New Orleans, and to raid the Chesapeake.
At Niagara we attacked first, assaulting Fort Erie on July 3, 1814, and forcing it to surrender. There followed the Battle of Chippewa, a European-style stand-up fight with both lines advancing at each other in close order. The British broke and fled at 60 paces.
This was followed on July 25 by the Battle of Lundy's Lane, which swayed back and forth from afternoon until midnight, with General Winfield Scott's men driving back the British four times, ending with Col James Miller's men storming the British artillery and bayoneting the cannoneers. British officers who had fought in the Peninsular War said they had never seen anything to equal Col. Miller's charge. Thus failed the British Niagara effort.
The Chesapeake excursion saw British troops, who sailed directly from Bordeaux, famously burn all the public buildings in Washington, with General Robert Ross personally supervising the burning of the White House. The British then marched on Baltimore, where they were repulsed and Gen. Ross shot dead.
By mid-August the British had assembled an army of 10,000 veteran British troops at Montreal for the Lake Champlain campaign. It was the strongest, best disciplined and most completely equipped army ever sent to North America. This army advanced down Lake Champlain to Cumberland Head and on September 11 a murderous engagement was joined in which the 1,500 American regulars and some additional militia crushed the British. The most memorable engagement was that of the American flagship Saratoga against HMS Confidence. Our ship forced the the British flagship and three other vessels to surrender. The British army retreated ignominiously back to Canada. The London Times reported this British defeat as a "lamentable event to the civilized world." Thus failed the British Lake Champlain effort.
On Nov. 4, the Duke of Wellington was requested to take command in North America with full powers "to continue the war with renewed vigor." He replied: "That which appears to me to be wanting in America is not a general or troops, but a naval superiority on the Lakes. The question is, whether we can acquire this. If we can't, I shall do you but little good in America and I shall go there only to prove the truth of this and to sign a peace which might as well be signed now. I think you have no right from the state of the war to demand any concession of territory from America."
In the meantime, the British Chesapeake force, still some 3,000 strong, sailed to Jamaica to refit and be reinforced by 7,500 troops from England, backed up by six ships of the line, 14 frigates and dozens of smaller ships. Their plan was to seize New Orleans and break Louisiana away from the United States. Jackson had 5,000 men, three-quarters militia to defend against the British onslaught. The British were checked in their advance on Christmas Eve, beat back on New Year's Day, and then utterly annihilated on Jan. 8, 1815, with the Americans killing some 2,000 British, including three generals, for the loss of 13 of our own killed.
After that, America was never again denied the treatment due to an independent nation, by Britain or any other nation.Replies: @Jack D
I find the majority of memes and neologisms irritating (at best), but “a thing” is a pretty useful one. If there’s a better shorthand for “identifiable/legitimate cultural phenomenon” then I haven’t heard it.
“Trend”
Heather Hackman uses hypnosis techniques to preach the doctrine of Social Justice.
I would surmise that things have gotten so bad at this paper of record that, instead of simply reporting accurately the news of the day (which, reality being opposed to their ongoing narratives, would quickly derail the entire establishment), they instead indulge whatever bit of trite nonsense happens to intrude into their minds in their heroic effort to fill up blank pieces of paper. Everything I ever read from the New York Times leaves me with the distinct impression of having been a make-work project for soi-disant intellectuals, with no real audience and nothing to motivate it outside of the solipsistic needs of their own coterie.
This whole culture of writing about nothing, blogging about nothing, social media-ing about nothing, has become rather de rigueur in modern society. Apparently that, too, is a "thing." Apparently we need an ever-growing profusion of "things" to ameliorate our ennui and distract us from the dawning recognition that modern life is a complex of institutionalized frauds, an orchestration of compulsory depravity, and a directionless waste of human tissue. To generate things, engage in things, and report about things are the only sorts of activities we have left, notwithstanding the fact that it all adds up to nihilism. I believe a similar attitude prevailed in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Jazz Age, and was especially prevalent in the discotheques of Paris and Berlin ca. 1939, before the outbreak of war. It is the characteristic symptom a world that has reached its sell-by date, of a used-up social compact and a restless people about to stumble into another global conflagration.Replies: @Jack D
Forgive me, but I don’t think they had discotheques in Paris or Berlin (or anywhere) in 1939. They had nightclubs and cabarets but not discos. They had discs (phonograph records) but perhaps the quality of the discs and the state of the amplification equipment was not adequate to make this a viable entertainment (especially since the popular dance music of the time was more sophisticated than a couple of guys pounding away on electric guitars) or perhaps it was just not “a thing” – if you were going to pay money to listen and dance to music in a public setting, you expected them to have a live band and not a machine.
BTW I looked up the wikipedia article on discos (a subsection of their nightclub article) and it was utterly horrid. It’s amazing that some wikipedia articles are truly better than were ever found in Britannica or any other printed encyclopedia and others are sheer crap.
“Supreme Soviet” seems like a more apt analogy to what we have in DC.
They are demolishing the Presidium, a building that seemed to nicely capture the monolith-osity the Soviet Union was wont to effect.
“Japan and Korea are very ethnically homogenous. China is too, relative to its massive size and population. But the Philippines is an extremely ethnically diverse land.”
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don’t exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes.
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don’t exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines#Ethnic_groupsReplies: @AndrewR
I'm not even going to entertain this astounding ignorance with a replyReplies: @Jefferson
Where I live, if a person is babysitting an elderly Jew in a nursing home, that person is Filipino.Replies: @Jack D
BTW I looked up the wikipedia article on discos (a subsection of their nightclub article) and it was utterly horrid. It's amazing that some wikipedia articles are truly better than were ever found in Britannica or any other printed encyclopedia and others are sheer crap.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
They had them, although the word ‘discotheque’ had not been adapted for that use yet; that was an error on my part. But juke joints and related venues where people would listen to recorded music date back to the early 1930s.
I remember when Adam Carolla was shitting all over the Filipinos. He was talking about how they treat the boxer Manny Pacquiao like he was Jesus Christ because that is all they have going for them. The Philippines as an economy produces absolutely nothing. They are worthless.
Manny Pacquiao is predicted to one day become president of The Philippines. That would be the equivalent of Mexico electing Oscar De La Hoya to be president. That is how much of a joke The Philippines is.
No wonder so many Chinese, Japanese, and South Koreans do not want to be racially lumped in with Filipinos.Replies: @AndrewR, @William Badwhite
Back before verbalizing such views would get one court-martialed, USAF pilots stationed (or that had even stopped for fuel there) at Clark AFB near Manila referred to the the nation as “The Mexico of the Pacific”, the women as LBFM’s (Little Brown F***ing Machines) and the general population as “Flips”.
All that said, they’re not bad people at all, relative to other NAM’s.
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don't exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes.Replies: @syonredux, @AndrewR, @Jonathan Silber
““Japan and Korea are very ethnically homogenous. China is too, relative to its massive size and population. But the Philippines is an extremely ethnically diverse land.”
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don’t exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines#Ethnic_groups
I know what we called you in the past. The village braggart. The trick is to keep the inferior on its toes. You shouldn’t just start yelling when you see him. Savour the moment. Tailor the insult for the situation. His style of dress or how clumsily he hands the cash to the owner. Make it deliciously painful.
Calling the War of 1812 the Second War for American Independence is both a mischaracterization and a rationalization of what was really a defeat for the United States. The notion that Great Britain, which had quite enough on its hands in the form of Napoleon Bonaparte, had designs to reconquer the United States, is unsupported by any historical evidence of which I am aware. The United States declared war on Great Britain largely on the issue of impressment of sailors, although certain war hawks dreamed of adding Canada to the United States. The U.S. lost most of the military battles and the Andrew Jackson’s famous victory in New Orleans occurred after the Treaty of Ghent ending the war had beens signed. The U.S. achieved almost none of its war aims and the war was so unpopular in New England that there was talk of secession and the Hartford Convention was perceived to be an initial meeting about eventual secession. The War of 1812 was a displomatic blunder and a military loss, but somehow is remembered in history only for the burning of Washington, the Star Spangled Banner and the Battle of New Orleans.
I wrote a longer reply, but yours is more succinct and just as accurate. The only thing that saved the U.S. from an even worse calamity is that our diplomats did a reasonably good job of negotiating a peace treat while Great Britain remained preoccupied with Napoleon. Had the war continued after the Battle of Waterloo, the British might have decided to remove the irritant and make it a genuine second war of independence. New England secession under such circumstances might have been a very attractive option–let the southern War Hawks deal with the British on their own!
Thanks for the recommendation. Just finished the essay. I saw snippets of Goldstein’s book in there.
I also saw a vision (I suppose it’s actually Burnham’s) of what we now call the deep state.
From the essay:
“The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the name of “managers”. These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands.”
From the book:
“What kind of people would control this new world had been equally obvious. The new aristocracy was made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, trade-union organizers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists and professional politicians. These people […] as compared with their opposite numbers in past ages, they were less avaricious, less tempted by luxury, hungrier for pure power, and, above all, more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition.”
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don't exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes.Replies: @syonredux, @AndrewR, @Jonathan Silber
Lol
I’m not even going to entertain this astounding ignorance with a reply
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don’t exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines#Ethnic_groupsReplies: @AndrewR
Aww let’s not trouble Jeffy by making him learn anything. That wouldn’t be nice would it?
I will believe The Philippines is a racially diverse nation when I see a Filipinos who look like Gavin McInnes.
I was watching 21 Jump Street, and one character replaced “feel me” with “ja feel?” He was white, but maybe not in spirit.
I've come to the opinion that Orwell wrote "The Theory and Practice of Oligarcal Collectivism" (the heretical book O'Brien gives Winston) first and wrote the rest of the fiction around it.
Most people only have a superficial understanding of 1984: Big Brother, telescreens, etc.
It's some seriously deep shit.Replies: @Tom-in-VA, @guest
Another poster pointed out the possible influence of James Burnham. Most people think Goldstein is a stand-in for Trotsky, and that the book within the book reflects his ideas. Of course, Burnham was a Trotskyist at some point (or maybe always). Orwell, too, was a follower of Trotsky.
I find the excerpts fascinating, but untenable and prohibitively convoluted to be real history, political science, sociology, or whatever it was. But fit for the purposes. What was the purpose, by the way? It’s implied Goldstein might not exist, or if he did exist that he didn’t write the book. That the book was written to entrap thought criminals. So you can’t take it at face value.
I also saw a vision (I suppose it's actually Burnham's) of what we now call the deep state.
From the essay:
"The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the name of “managers”. These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands."
From the book:
"What kind of people would control this new world had been equally obvious. The new aristocracy was made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, trade-union organizers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists and professional politicians. These people [...] as compared with their opposite numbers in past ages, they were less avaricious, less tempted by luxury, hungrier for pure power, and, above all, more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition."Replies: @Spotted Toad
The lack of avariciousness and imperviousness to temptation by luxury by the people running the world is, I think, an underappreciated problem. Our society produces a lot of bounty, and even a cynical powerful person who just wanted to live the good life might be disposed to just keep things on an even keel. But someone who doesn’t care about material things- because of a lifetime of educational socialization to value prestige over material luxury, because the Internet is partially displacing the enjoyment of the physical world, and most of all because of falling birthrates among the upper class, which reduces the desire to provide for your near ones- can screw things up almost without limit.
She was still a state senator in the 80% Democrat Massachusetts legislature. Much more of a Duma than Congress.
When I made the comment, she turned her head sideways like a confused dog. I told her to go home and Google it!
Maybe it could be considered a “gotcha” comment, and I know it may be asking for a lot, but I expect my elected officials to have a certain minimum of cultural knowledge.
She or someone on her staff recently decided it would be a good idea to get involved in the Gamergate contretemps and support the female developers against the evil males, not knowing that both sides of the issue contain members far brighter and committed than any politician. She was “swatted” a couple months ago for her trouble. I would imagine she knows about the Chans now.
So what kind of transsexual are you? Male-to-female or female-to-male?
My favorite example of whether or not something is a “thing” (sorry about the ad but it’s worth the wait):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7TnoCM7fo&list=RDHe7TnoCM7fo#t=0
For a gender-neutral list, my top picks would be:
Thomas Edison
Wright Bros
Howard Hawks*
John Ford*
Orson Welles*
William Faulkner
Edward Hopper
William James
*Should have DW Griffith in there, but there's no chance in Hell that that will ever happen. He's now an unperson.Replies: @dumpstersquirrel
“For a gender-neutral list, my top picks would be:”
Stop it already. There’s no way the visage on the 20-spot will be chosen on merit. That visage will be a figure which maximally irritates White men of normal sexuality, it will in a sense force normal White men to participate in the degeneracy of the person depicted on the 20-spot, the most widely used denomination, the one you get at the ATM and the checkstand when you get cash back. This is by design.
The most qualified will be:
0) Woman (this is a certainty, it’s already been declared)
1) Black (possibly mexican, but doubtful, because blacks would throw a massive collective public temper tantrum)
2) Sexually confused (either sodomite and/or he-she)
The rocket surgeons at the US mint can certainly work around the clock 24/7/365 to find a black he-she former slave that sodomized little boys, can't they? That would be the double-plus ideal candidate. Si se puede!
Stop it already. There's no way the visage on the 20-spot will be chosen on merit. That visage will be a figure which maximally irritates White men of normal sexuality, it will in a sense force normal White men to participate in the degeneracy of the person depicted on the 20-spot, the most widely used denomination, the one you get at the ATM and the checkstand when you get cash back. This is by design.
The most qualified will be:
0) Woman (this is a certainty, it's already been declared)
1) Black (possibly mexican, but doubtful, because blacks would throw a massive collective public temper tantrum)
2) Sexually confused (either sodomite and/or he-she)Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Jack D, @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe
Harriett Tubman was the first thought I had, but wasn’t she cis-gendered?
The rocket surgeons at the US mint can certainly work around the clock 24/7/365 to find a black he-she former slave that sodomized little boys, can’t they? That would be the double-plus ideal candidate. Si se puede!
I'm not even going to entertain this astounding ignorance with a replyReplies: @Jefferson
“Lol
I’m not even going to entertain this astounding ignorance with a reply”
Are you saying Filipinos can resemble any race on the planet just like Americans and Brazilians for example?
You are the one who is extremely ignorant, if you do not believe there is a signature Filipino look. The Philippines is not a racially diverse nation.
Here’s how today’s generation of twentysomethings view the War of 1812:
Admittedly quite funny…
“Aww let’s not trouble Jeffy by making him learn anything. That wouldn’t be nice would it?”
I will believe The Philippines is a racially diverse nation when I see a Filipinos who look like Gavin McInnes.
Stop it already. There's no way the visage on the 20-spot will be chosen on merit. That visage will be a figure which maximally irritates White men of normal sexuality, it will in a sense force normal White men to participate in the degeneracy of the person depicted on the 20-spot, the most widely used denomination, the one you get at the ATM and the checkstand when you get cash back. This is by design.
The most qualified will be:
0) Woman (this is a certainty, it's already been declared)
1) Black (possibly mexican, but doubtful, because blacks would throw a massive collective public temper tantrum)
2) Sexually confused (either sodomite and/or he-she)Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Jack D, @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe
My guess is it will be Tubman. As for your #2, she was childless, which was unusual in 19th century America. Even if she was not sexually confused, her status as a childless woman with cats will make her popular among her cat lady peers.
Stop it already. There's no way the visage on the 20-spot will be chosen on merit. That visage will be a figure which maximally irritates White men of normal sexuality, it will in a sense force normal White men to participate in the degeneracy of the person depicted on the 20-spot, the most widely used denomination, the one you get at the ATM and the checkstand when you get cash back. This is by design.
The most qualified will be:
0) Woman (this is a certainty, it's already been declared)
1) Black (possibly mexican, but doubtful, because blacks would throw a massive collective public temper tantrum)
2) Sexually confused (either sodomite and/or he-she)Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Jack D, @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe
I know, I know.It’s a dream out of Cloud cuckoo land. People like Thomas Edison and the Wright Bros will never appear on our currency.
Hardly as bad as that. The British were tired of the whole mess and simply wanted it to end. Here’s what the Duke of Wellington had to say:
Possibly on-theme: a black pastor in Austin claims that Whole Foods’ flagship store (yes, its flagship) gave him a cake decorated with the words “Love Wins — Fag”. The pastor asked that “Love Wins” be stenciled on the blank cake; he alleges that the store employee added “Fag.”
http://kxan.com/2016/04/18/lawsuit-claims-whole-foods-served-cake-with-anti-gay-slur/
The story is creating a stir in Austin. This is the kind of “thing” that deserves skepticism. It’s possible, I guess, but it’s not like a Whole Foods employee could pull this thinking she could get away with it.
FWIW, Whole Foods is flatly denying that it happened.
Right, and the issue of impressment of sailors by Great Britain continued.
Stop it already. There's no way the visage on the 20-spot will be chosen on merit. That visage will be a figure which maximally irritates White men of normal sexuality, it will in a sense force normal White men to participate in the degeneracy of the person depicted on the 20-spot, the most widely used denomination, the one you get at the ATM and the checkstand when you get cash back. This is by design.
The most qualified will be:
0) Woman (this is a certainty, it's already been declared)
1) Black (possibly mexican, but doubtful, because blacks would throw a massive collective public temper tantrum)
2) Sexually confused (either sodomite and/or he-she)Replies: @dumpstersquirrel, @Jack D, @syonredux, @Buffalo Joe
Dumpstersquirrel, I have a candidate that covers all bases…..Ru Paul.
Yes, Jackson’s victory at New Orleans is truly amazing, but it is only one of several wonderful American victories.
The most important fighting came after Napoleon’s abdication in April, 1814. The British planned to invade America from three points: Niagara, Lake Champlain and New Orleans, and to raid the Chesapeake.
At Niagara we attacked first, assaulting Fort Erie on July 3, 1814, and forcing it to surrender. There followed the Battle of Chippewa, a European-style stand-up fight with both lines advancing at each other in close order. The British broke and fled at 60 paces.
This was followed on July 25 by the Battle of Lundy’s Lane, which swayed back and forth from afternoon until midnight, with General Winfield Scott’s men driving back the British four times, ending with Col James Miller’s men storming the British artillery and bayoneting the cannoneers. British officers who had fought in the Peninsular War said they had never seen anything to equal Col. Miller’s charge. Thus failed the British Niagara effort.
The Chesapeake excursion saw British troops, who sailed directly from Bordeaux, famously burn all the public buildings in Washington, with General Robert Ross personally supervising the burning of the White House. The British then marched on Baltimore, where they were repulsed and Gen. Ross shot dead.
By mid-August the British had assembled an army of 10,000 veteran British troops at Montreal for the Lake Champlain campaign. It was the strongest, best disciplined and most completely equipped army ever sent to North America. This army advanced down Lake Champlain to Cumberland Head and on September 11 a murderous engagement was joined in which the 1,500 American regulars and some additional militia crushed the British. The most memorable engagement was that of the American flagship Saratoga against HMS Confidence. Our ship forced the the British flagship and three other vessels to surrender. The British army retreated ignominiously back to Canada. The London Times reported this British defeat as a “lamentable event to the civilized world.” Thus failed the British Lake Champlain effort.
On Nov. 4, the Duke of Wellington was requested to take command in North America with full powers “to continue the war with renewed vigor.” He replied: “That which appears to me to be wanting in America is not a general or troops, but a naval superiority on the Lakes. The question is, whether we can acquire this. If we can’t, I shall do you but little good in America and I shall go there only to prove the truth of this and to sign a peace which might as well be signed now. I think you have no right from the state of the war to demand any concession of territory from America.”
In the meantime, the British Chesapeake force, still some 3,000 strong, sailed to Jamaica to refit and be reinforced by 7,500 troops from England, backed up by six ships of the line, 14 frigates and dozens of smaller ships. Their plan was to seize New Orleans and break Louisiana away from the United States. Jackson had 5,000 men, three-quarters militia to defend against the British onslaught. The British were checked in their advance on Christmas Eve, beat back on New Year’s Day, and then utterly annihilated on Jan. 8, 1815, with the Americans killing some 2,000 British, including three generals, for the loss of 13 of our own killed.
After that, America was never again denied the treatment due to an independent nation, by Britain or any other nation.
...[HE]WAS KILLED SHORTLY
AFTERWARDS [THE ATTACK ON WASHINGTON] WHILE DIRECTING A SUCCESSFUL ATTACK UPON A SUPERIOR FORCE NEAR THE CITY OF BALTIMORE ON THE 12TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER 1814
Calling the Battle of Baltimore "successful" for the British side is a pretty questionable interpretation, even for a monument.
You’re the king of strawmen.
The most important fighting came after Napoleon's abdication in April, 1814. The British planned to invade America from three points: Niagara, Lake Champlain and New Orleans, and to raid the Chesapeake.
At Niagara we attacked first, assaulting Fort Erie on July 3, 1814, and forcing it to surrender. There followed the Battle of Chippewa, a European-style stand-up fight with both lines advancing at each other in close order. The British broke and fled at 60 paces.
This was followed on July 25 by the Battle of Lundy's Lane, which swayed back and forth from afternoon until midnight, with General Winfield Scott's men driving back the British four times, ending with Col James Miller's men storming the British artillery and bayoneting the cannoneers. British officers who had fought in the Peninsular War said they had never seen anything to equal Col. Miller's charge. Thus failed the British Niagara effort.
The Chesapeake excursion saw British troops, who sailed directly from Bordeaux, famously burn all the public buildings in Washington, with General Robert Ross personally supervising the burning of the White House. The British then marched on Baltimore, where they were repulsed and Gen. Ross shot dead.
By mid-August the British had assembled an army of 10,000 veteran British troops at Montreal for the Lake Champlain campaign. It was the strongest, best disciplined and most completely equipped army ever sent to North America. This army advanced down Lake Champlain to Cumberland Head and on September 11 a murderous engagement was joined in which the 1,500 American regulars and some additional militia crushed the British. The most memorable engagement was that of the American flagship Saratoga against HMS Confidence. Our ship forced the the British flagship and three other vessels to surrender. The British army retreated ignominiously back to Canada. The London Times reported this British defeat as a "lamentable event to the civilized world." Thus failed the British Lake Champlain effort.
On Nov. 4, the Duke of Wellington was requested to take command in North America with full powers "to continue the war with renewed vigor." He replied: "That which appears to me to be wanting in America is not a general or troops, but a naval superiority on the Lakes. The question is, whether we can acquire this. If we can't, I shall do you but little good in America and I shall go there only to prove the truth of this and to sign a peace which might as well be signed now. I think you have no right from the state of the war to demand any concession of territory from America."
In the meantime, the British Chesapeake force, still some 3,000 strong, sailed to Jamaica to refit and be reinforced by 7,500 troops from England, backed up by six ships of the line, 14 frigates and dozens of smaller ships. Their plan was to seize New Orleans and break Louisiana away from the United States. Jackson had 5,000 men, three-quarters militia to defend against the British onslaught. The British were checked in their advance on Christmas Eve, beat back on New Year's Day, and then utterly annihilated on Jan. 8, 1815, with the Americans killing some 2,000 British, including three generals, for the loss of 13 of our own killed.
After that, America was never again denied the treatment due to an independent nation, by Britain or any other nation.Replies: @Jack D
Ross’s body was shipped back to Halifax in a barrel of rum. His monument in St. Paul’s in London reads:
…[HE]WAS KILLED SHORTLY
AFTERWARDS [THE ATTACK ON WASHINGTON] WHILE DIRECTING A SUCCESSFUL ATTACK UPON A SUPERIOR FORCE NEAR THE CITY OF BALTIMORE ON THE 12TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER 1814
Calling the Battle of Baltimore “successful” for the British side is a pretty questionable interpretation, even for a monument.
Probably the most profound sentence you’ve ever written. And I say that as an English professor who specializes in rhetoric and linguistics. It sums up what I and other lesser men have wasted pages trying to say.
Filipinos are extremely ethnically diverse? So Filipinos come in all phenotypes? I have never seen a Filipino who looks like Steve Sailer or Serena Williams.
I live in a part of The U.S that has a large Filipino population and they definitely have a certain look about them. Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype. They don't exactly have a broad range of different phenotypes.Replies: @syonredux, @AndrewR, @Jonathan Silber
Many times I can tell someone is Filipino just by looking at their phenotype.
Where I live, if a person is babysitting an elderly Jew in a nursing home, that person is Filipino.
Around here (Philadelphia) we seem to get more West Indians for this job, even some African-Africans. Filipinos more likely to have actual (or maybe fake - who knows) nursing degrees.
I’ll give you a crisp new dollar for every journalist, columnist, pundit or cable-news mouth-breather who wholeheartedly endorses this passage as valid in our time in any way, let alone as mandatory to the concept of liberty and freedom.
And the more awards they’ve won, the greater their antagonism to being asked the question.
Where I live, if a person is babysitting an elderly Jew in a nursing home, that person is Filipino.Replies: @Jack D
They even have this same job in Israel.
Around here (Philadelphia) we seem to get more West Indians for this job, even some African-Africans. Filipinos more likely to have actual (or maybe fake – who knows) nursing degrees.