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Here are a couple of videos that have been going around pointing out that the Clintons took much more moderate positions on immigration policy in the past than Hillary has done over the last year.

Yet, there has been little evidence of the Democrats’ pivoting toward the center on immigration principles since she wrapped up the Democratic nomination, even though it has been a strong issue for Trump. Instead, they’ve upped the point-and-sputter.

I suspect that Hillary isn’t really aware of how fringe she has become on immigration. That’s the nature of a coalition of the fringes to push harder toward extremism on the central issue of demographically overwhelming the hated core.

 
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  1. They could have “stopped Trump” years ago by simply bringing immigration restrictionism into the national political discourse, where it was naturally heading. Barbara Jordan’s recommendations could have been adopted.

    That is what democracy is supposed to do: convert popular will into policy. The fact that restrictionism is being fought against with every weapon they have really makes me believe that it’s a plot from high up.

  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    iSteve, the earpiece story that came out today will hurt Hillary. Regular folks understand that kind of issue. Plays right into the crooked Hillary meme.

    Another bad campaign idea from …. Huma? or who else? Is there really anyone else who is a close advisor to Hillary? Maybe Chelsea?

    Somebody told Hillary to have a medical guy follow her around with a Diazepam/Valium injector. WTF. Now the same advisor has her cheating with an earpiece. This stuff matters!

    I don’t think Bill is the advisor. He is out of the loop.

  3. One of the unfortunate facts about our intellectually impoverished immigration debate here in the US is the lack of talk about the cost/benefit of the children of immigrants. Human beings tend to reproduce, and this seems to be an important phenomena worth taking account of when assessing whom to let into our country. I haven’t heard a mainstream politician talk about the fiscal costs/benefits of the children of immigrants were letting in now. I suspect the average child of a central American laborer probably isn’t in the top tax bracket; more likely he’s one of Mitt’s 47 per-centers. It seems really hard to imagine most of the children of illegal immigrants being net contributors to our tax/transfer system. Even if the aliens themselves aren’t consuming too much in gov’t services, that all goes away once they have kids or get amnestied. If Jose is washing dishes in a restaurant, sure he might be taking someone’s job, but that is offset by the cheap labor Americans get to take advantage of (and he isn’t using welfare). However, his children are a completely different story.

    As for clinton on immigration, she knows what she was doing. I heard her on the Ezra Klein podcast, and it’s clear she wants more legal immigration after amnesty, although she doesn’t make a point of advertising it.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @anon930

    It's not just the children. More importantly it is the chain migration that results from so called family unification rules. This is a multiplier that seemingly never ends.

    If your ancestors came here pre-1965, there was no family unification. This is completely unfair and allows today's immigrants to dictate tomorrow's immigrants with no input from us.

  4. Hillary has a reputation of being autistic-like in ruining her speechwriters’ phrases with overly-literal language. She’s her own worse editor, and yet afterwards still doesn’t know why her tweaks didn’t work. As I’ve said, the choice to go after the Alt-Right had to be first and foremost hers, and I believe the majority of her people actively fought against it (much like how the Red Letter Media guys believe the opening shot of the original Star Wars was something George Lucas actively fought against, but that his non-yes men pushed through).

    And as we saw, not only was it a huge flop, it made gave Milo and Co. a bigger stage, while making her look desperate for a boogeyman. Not a smart play. You’ll notice her handlers managed to get her to veer off blaming the “Alt-Right” and push it all on Putin, the Evil One—who, weirdly, she claims she was masterful in dealing with as Sec. of State and pushing “reset” on.

    On a macro-scale, Hillary does what her money men tell her. Bill does too, but he’s a much better pol. Hillary is just pushing the company line she knows her money men want, but can’t finesse it so her guys get half a loaf. It’s all or nothing in her mind. Very autistic.

    The Parkinson’s disease and her natural autistic desire for career power are obliterating the good sense a person in her position would have.

  5. In the 90s, Democrats still needed the support of some white working class voters. Bill Clinton’s ’96 campaign video, for instance, shows mostly white people.

  6. I suspect that Hillary isn’t really aware of how fringe she has become on immigration.

    No offense Steve, but one reason why political discussions in the USA has become so dull is that everyone seems to be spinning and engaging in PR instead of speaking the truth.

    Does anyone REALLY think that Hillary doesn’t know what she’s doing on every freakin’ issue? She’s a Harvard – or Yale – law grad. And does anyone REALLY think that Steve S. knows that Hillary doesn’t know, where she is on every single issue?

    Hillary – like almost all elite Dems – knows EXACTLY what she’s doing. Same with Bill and Obama.

    She doesn’t care dude. They don’t care. The Left never REALLY cared about average Joe Six-pack. Its all about THEM.

    • Replies: @Shitposter Supreme
    @Honesthughgrant

    "And let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing"

    How's life been treating you, Mr. Rubio?

    , @Anonymous
    @Honesthughgrant

    Hillary – like almost all elite Dems – knows EXACTLY what she’s doing. Same with Bill and Obama.

    What exactly do they think they are doing?

    , @laura r
    @Honesthughgrant

    the left wants to believe any absurd outrageous statement against the right. when it comes to donald the more bizarre the more believable. obama & hillary know this.

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    That’s because Bill was speaking before the the huge surge in immigration which began under the Bush administration.

    The Clinton years were a time of peace and the Dot Com bubble. The bubble burst around 2000. Bush came in, and a new bubble based on cheap labor, immigration, and housing was created, while terrorism and war distracted the populace.

    If the Bush immigration surge hadn’t happened, Hillary would sound more like Bill did, and would be trying to win Southern and working class white votes. Bill won states like West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas. But since the surge did happen, Hillary sees another path to winning the election.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Anonymous

    Democrats were generally against more immigration 30 years ago. The Labor unions were strong opponents to increased immigration. George Bush Sr. passed the immigration bill of 1990. It increased legal immigration by over 50%. It provided family based immigration visa, created five distinct employment based visas, categorized by occupation, as well as the diversity visa program which created a lottery to admit immigrants from "low admittance" countries. Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization.

    "Today I am pleased to sign S. 358, the 'Immigration Act of 1990'—the most comprehensive reform of our immigration laws in 66 years."- George H Bush, November 1990.

    After it became law, the United States would admit 700,000 new legal immigrants annually, up from 500,000 before the bill's passage. The new system continued to favor people with family members, but added 50,000 "diversity visas" for countries from which few were emigrating, as well as 40,000 permanent job-related workers and 65,000 temporary worker visas per year.

    immigration restriction was already a popular platform in 1994, as shown by Gov. Wilson who obtained 21% of the Black vote in California. But the media and elites of America always claim immigration is not a big issue. But it was the sole reason Wilson was re-elected and the reason Cantor lost his seat in the house and the reason Trump won the GOP primary.

  8. Trump should have a meeting with Putin. That would be huge.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    @Broski

    Putin would love the opportunity to poke obama and hitlery.
    And then maybe China. And they'll give HIM the "red carpet" treatment !

    , @Lagertha
    @Broski

    if there is a terrorist hit (by the usual suspects - jihadies) in Russia, it will present an opportunity. Jihadies, with their infinite hubris and concomitant stupidity, could throw this election in all kinds of bizarro directions. Trump needs to be steady and batten down the hatches. Slow and steady wins the race.

  9. iSteveFan says:
    @anon930
    One of the unfortunate facts about our intellectually impoverished immigration debate here in the US is the lack of talk about the cost/benefit of the children of immigrants. Human beings tend to reproduce, and this seems to be an important phenomena worth taking account of when assessing whom to let into our country. I haven't heard a mainstream politician talk about the fiscal costs/benefits of the children of immigrants were letting in now. I suspect the average child of a central American laborer probably isn't in the top tax bracket; more likely he's one of Mitt's 47 per-centers. It seems really hard to imagine most of the children of illegal immigrants being net contributors to our tax/transfer system. Even if the aliens themselves aren't consuming too much in gov't services, that all goes away once they have kids or get amnestied. If Jose is washing dishes in a restaurant, sure he might be taking someone's job, but that is offset by the cheap labor Americans get to take advantage of (and he isn't using welfare). However, his children are a completely different story.

    As for clinton on immigration, she knows what she was doing. I heard her on the Ezra Klein podcast, and it's clear she wants more legal immigration after amnesty, although she doesn't make a point of advertising it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    It’s not just the children. More importantly it is the chain migration that results from so called family unification rules. This is a multiplier that seemingly never ends.

    If your ancestors came here pre-1965, there was no family unification. This is completely unfair and allows today’s immigrants to dictate tomorrow’s immigrants with no input from us.

  10. Hillary?? Any Republican could have beaten Trump simply by taking a common sense position on immigration, a position that a majority of Americans support and an overwhelming majority of Republicans support. But they didn’t. And that proves to me, they really believe in open borders or they will do whatever their donors tell them to do. I find either one of those to be terrifying.

  11. During the 2008 campaign, Hillary claimed she went duck hunting and shot a banded duck. This was meant to reassure gun owners she wasn’t an enemy of gun rights. Lately, she has made no effort to reassure them, quite the contrary: she has staked them out as the enemy. The legislation she has been pushing that would allow people to sue a gun company if its product were used criminally or negligently would basically put all manufacturers out of business.

    In January 2013, Bill Clinton warned Democrats against overreaching on this issue, which has been a loser for them. Obviously, Hillary thinks she knows better. She’s decided it’s okay to be extremist against guns and those who own them.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/bill-clinton-warns-democrats-against-overreaching-on-gun-debate/

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @Harry Baldwin

    She gets away with her bad decisions because the MSM is protecting her(including FoxNews). If you notice none of them(including Fox) brings up position on gun control/confiscation.

    In short they are hiding all the ugly agenda warts Hillary has planned for us.

    Still people don't like her, given her rallies are very small and sparsely attended.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/08/clinton-campaign-stunner-dismal-attendance-for-hillary-clinton-key-note-address-in-kansas-city/

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/another-tiny-crowd-hillary-swing-state-north-carolina/

    Attendance at the American Legion speech was equally bad.

    But it makes sense since Democratic participation is down 20% this time around.

    Hillary doesn't draw them out and no one wants to see Slick, who increasingly looks like a bug eyed pervert and pig diddler.

    She's worried as well. I still see every day Hillary political TV ads on Fox and ABC(I don't know about the other channels) here in Southern California. Now this is a expensive market to run ads during prime time but they're doing it. Hillary has been running ads here for at least a month.

    Here's the crazy thing, CA should be a given for Hillary unless their internal polling is showing something that scares them or her campaign managers are total idiots and buying ad space like crazy everywhere.

    Replies: @27 year old

  12. The immigration thing is a crisis of existence for western populations. In 1945, Westerners accepted an internal self-regulatory tool whereby all statistical behavior differences were ignored. This allowed the world to absorb the horrors of World War II. The world included the US, devastated Germany, the much shrunken global Israel, the much shrunken (by population) Soviet Union, China, the UK etc.

    70 years later western people still deny all statistical differences in population. They are being outbred in their own lands (100-300 years+ control) all over the world, but can’t think about why because they can’t name it. Populations behave differently.

    Hillary has already invested all her eggs, of which there is one, in the international banker basket. Her only daughter married a finance guy. He’s the son of a corrupt finance guy who knew Bill. So why would she ever turn on supporting the internationalization of the US populace?

  13. Steve,

    you want immigration restriction to happen. You don’t care who does it. Party is less important than nation to you. You are a patriot. Trump is right about immigration but he sounds like a spin of the chamber of a revolver in a game of russian roulette sometimes.

    Not my country but I would still vote for Trump.

    hope that it works out.

  14. OT: This is funny, NYC council hearing on BDS:

    CM Greenfield makes an excellent point when he mentions that Weiss lives in Muncie.

    • Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Monsey, NY not Muncie.

    This clown is interesting. He's an anti-Zionist rabbi.
    Yeah that's a thing.

    from wikipedia


    Weiss states that though Israelis have used the Holocaust to gain sympathy and advantage, he does not believe the Holocaust toll is exaggerated.[11] Weiss said that "The Zionists use the Holocaust issue to their benefit. We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests. We stress that there are hundreds of thousands Jews around the world who identify with our opposition to the Zionist ideology and who feel that Zionism is not Jewish, but a political agenda...What we want is not a withdrawal to the '67 borders, but to everything included in it, so the country can go back to the Palestinians and we could live with them..."[12]

    Weiss has defended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad against accusations of anti-Semitism. In March 2006, Weiss released a statement to Iran's official IRIB radio in which he stated that: "it is dangerous deviation to pretend that the Iranian president is anti-Jewish and anti-Semitic. He is extremely friendly and he understands the difference between the Zionists and the Jews who do not embrace the state of Israel... We don't look at him as an enemy."[13]

    American Jewish organisations, including Agudath Israel of America and the Orthodox Union, issued statements distancing themselves from Weiss.[14] The executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, has called the group "embarrassing",[14] and Rabbi Avi Shafran, spokesman for Agudath Israel of America, called Neturei Karta's public display of affection for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "graphic and disgusting."[14]

    Since returning to the U.S. from the conference, Weiss and other individuals who attended have been ostracized by synagogues, denied service at kosher stores, and have been the subject of disparagement in some communities with strong Orthodox Jewish populations such as Brooklyn and Monsey.[3]
     

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Ivy

  15. Yes.

    Is it too late for America even if she did?

  16. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    OT: This is funny, NYC council hearing on BDS:

    https://twitter.com/jacobkornbluh/status/773948148955942912

    CM Greenfield makes an excellent point when he mentions that Weiss lives in Muncie.

    Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Monsey, NY not Muncie.

    This clown is interesting. He’s an anti-Zionist rabbi.
    Yeah that’s a thing.

    from wikipedia

    Weiss states that though Israelis have used the Holocaust to gain sympathy and advantage, he does not believe the Holocaust toll is exaggerated.[11] Weiss said that “The Zionists use the Holocaust issue to their benefit. We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests. We stress that there are hundreds of thousands Jews around the world who identify with our opposition to the Zionist ideology and who feel that Zionism is not Jewish, but a political agenda…What we want is not a withdrawal to the ’67 borders, but to everything included in it, so the country can go back to the Palestinians and we could live with them…”[12]

    Weiss has defended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad against accusations of anti-Semitism. In March 2006, Weiss released a statement to Iran’s official IRIB radio in which he stated that: “it is dangerous deviation to pretend that the Iranian president is anti-Jewish and anti-Semitic. He is extremely friendly and he understands the difference between the Zionists and the Jews who do not embrace the state of Israel… We don’t look at him as an enemy.”[13]

    American Jewish organisations, including Agudath Israel of America and the Orthodox Union, issued statements distancing themselves from Weiss.[14] The executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, has called the group “embarrassing”,[14] and Rabbi Avi Shafran, spokesman for Agudath Israel of America, called Neturei Karta’s public display of affection for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “graphic and disgusting.”[14]

    Since returning to the U.S. from the conference, Weiss and other individuals who attended have been ostracized by synagogues, denied service at kosher stores, and have been the subject of disparagement in some communities with strong Orthodox Jewish populations such as Brooklyn and Monsey.[3]

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    I know it's a thing. A hilarious thing!

    New Square, Monsey (tks), not to mention the summer camps. The stuff with the school boards is crazy. Wait until it's Muslims doing it.

    Another good point by Greenfield: "You don't represent Satmar."

    http://jewishtimesasia.org/international-news-topmenu-51/141-2006-06/639-satmar-succession-controversy

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Ivy
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    The Wikipedia entry let slip a new type of intersectionality involving reincarnation.


    We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests.
     
  17. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Monsey, NY not Muncie.

    This clown is interesting. He's an anti-Zionist rabbi.
    Yeah that's a thing.

    from wikipedia


    Weiss states that though Israelis have used the Holocaust to gain sympathy and advantage, he does not believe the Holocaust toll is exaggerated.[11] Weiss said that "The Zionists use the Holocaust issue to their benefit. We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests. We stress that there are hundreds of thousands Jews around the world who identify with our opposition to the Zionist ideology and who feel that Zionism is not Jewish, but a political agenda...What we want is not a withdrawal to the '67 borders, but to everything included in it, so the country can go back to the Palestinians and we could live with them..."[12]

    Weiss has defended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad against accusations of anti-Semitism. In March 2006, Weiss released a statement to Iran's official IRIB radio in which he stated that: "it is dangerous deviation to pretend that the Iranian president is anti-Jewish and anti-Semitic. He is extremely friendly and he understands the difference between the Zionists and the Jews who do not embrace the state of Israel... We don't look at him as an enemy."[13]

    American Jewish organisations, including Agudath Israel of America and the Orthodox Union, issued statements distancing themselves from Weiss.[14] The executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, has called the group "embarrassing",[14] and Rabbi Avi Shafran, spokesman for Agudath Israel of America, called Neturei Karta's public display of affection for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "graphic and disgusting."[14]

    Since returning to the U.S. from the conference, Weiss and other individuals who attended have been ostracized by synagogues, denied service at kosher stores, and have been the subject of disparagement in some communities with strong Orthodox Jewish populations such as Brooklyn and Monsey.[3]
     

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Ivy

    I know it’s a thing. A hilarious thing!

    New Square, Monsey (tks), not to mention the summer camps. The stuff with the school boards is crazy. Wait until it’s Muslims doing it.

    Another good point by Greenfield: “You don’t represent Satmar.”

    http://jewishtimesasia.org/international-news-topmenu-51/141-2006-06/639-satmar-succession-controversy

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Naturei Karta has been around since 1938.

    Their position is based not on political considerations or naiveté, but on theological grounds. To quote Wikipedia

    "Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah."

    That's no more automatically clownish or hilarious than the belief that Jews have a natural right to their own sovereign, exclusive nation state in the Levant simply because their ancestors lived there sixty generations ago.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

  18. @Harry Baldwin
    During the 2008 campaign, Hillary claimed she went duck hunting and shot a banded duck. This was meant to reassure gun owners she wasn't an enemy of gun rights. Lately, she has made no effort to reassure them, quite the contrary: she has staked them out as the enemy. The legislation she has been pushing that would allow people to sue a gun company if its product were used criminally or negligently would basically put all manufacturers out of business.

    In January 2013, Bill Clinton warned Democrats against overreaching on this issue, which has been a loser for them. Obviously, Hillary thinks she knows better. She's decided it's okay to be extremist against guns and those who own them.

    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/bill-clinton-warns-democrats-against-overreaching-on-gun-debate/

    Replies: @rod1963

    She gets away with her bad decisions because the MSM is protecting her(including FoxNews). If you notice none of them(including Fox) brings up position on gun control/confiscation.

    In short they are hiding all the ugly agenda warts Hillary has planned for us.

    Still people don’t like her, given her rallies are very small and sparsely attended.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/08/clinton-campaign-stunner-dismal-attendance-for-hillary-clinton-key-note-address-in-kansas-city/

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/another-tiny-crowd-hillary-swing-state-north-carolina/

    Attendance at the American Legion speech was equally bad.

    But it makes sense since Democratic participation is down 20% this time around.

    Hillary doesn’t draw them out and no one wants to see Slick, who increasingly looks like a bug eyed pervert and pig diddler.

    She’s worried as well. I still see every day Hillary political TV ads on Fox and ABC(I don’t know about the other channels) here in Southern California. Now this is a expensive market to run ads during prime time but they’re doing it. Hillary has been running ads here for at least a month.

    Here’s the crazy thing, CA should be a given for Hillary unless their internal polling is showing something that scares them or her campaign managers are total idiots and buying ad space like crazy everywhere.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @rod1963

    >or her campaign managers are total idiots and buying ad space like crazy everywhere.

    It's not idiotic, it's giving money to their friends at the TV network

  19. @Honesthughgrant

    I suspect that Hillary isn’t really aware of how fringe she has become on immigration.
     
    No offense Steve, but one reason why political discussions in the USA has become so dull is that everyone seems to be spinning and engaging in PR instead of speaking the truth.

    Does anyone REALLY think that Hillary doesn't know what she's doing on every freakin' issue? She's a Harvard - or Yale - law grad. And does anyone REALLY think that Steve S. knows that Hillary doesn't know, where she is on every single issue?

    Hillary - like almost all elite Dems - knows EXACTLY what she's doing. Same with Bill and Obama.

    She doesn't care dude. They don't care. The Left never REALLY cared about average Joe Six-pack. Its all about THEM.

    Replies: @Shitposter Supreme, @Anonymous, @laura r

    “And let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing”

    How’s life been treating you, Mr. Rubio?

  20. The difference, of course, is that in 1995 Democrats still felt like they needed to attract at least some support from blue collar voters.

    I know some folks think that American immigration policy was developed as part of some master plan cooked up by Ted Kennedy to replace white voters with a more docile servant class, but I really don’t think anybody ever put that much thought into it until very recently. When I was younger, it wasn’t unusual to hear mainstream Democrats, especially from the heartland, talk about immigration the way Trump does.

    I honestly think that the full implications of demographic displacement through immigration didn’t dawn on Democrats until pretty late in the game — though they still managed to figure it out well before Republicans did. To the extent there was ever a deliberate, coordinated conspiracy, it was mostly an after-the-fact Jedi mind trick aimed at keeping Republicans in the dark just a little bit longer.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Mr. Blank


    I know some folks think that American immigration policy was developed as part of some master plan cooked up by Ted Kennedy to replace white voters with a more docile servant class, but I really don’t think anybody ever put that much thought into it until very recently.
     
    Sure -- it just happened by accident. Everywhere. That's a lot of coincidences.
  21. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    I know it's a thing. A hilarious thing!

    New Square, Monsey (tks), not to mention the summer camps. The stuff with the school boards is crazy. Wait until it's Muslims doing it.

    Another good point by Greenfield: "You don't represent Satmar."

    http://jewishtimesasia.org/international-news-topmenu-51/141-2006-06/639-satmar-succession-controversy

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Naturei Karta has been around since 1938.

    Their position is based not on political considerations or naiveté, but on theological grounds. To quote Wikipedia

    “Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah.”

    That’s no more automatically clownish or hilarious than the belief that Jews have a natural right to their own sovereign, exclusive nation state in the Levant simply because their ancestors lived there sixty generations ago.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @PiltdownMan

    Weiss is a professional clown, and if you don't think it's funny when he sits down on the floor and refuses to move at a NYC Council hearing on BDS I don't know what to tell you.

    Personally, I'm not concerned with establishing Muslim control over all land they ever conquered for all eternity, but I suppose that's a point of view, like Neturei Karta. The thing is, it's not going to be enough:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10939235/Rome-will-be-conquered-next-says-leader-of-Islamic-State.html

    When do we return Andalusia to its rightful owners?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  22. If (when) Hillary stops “Being so extremist on borders” or turns in the other direction, it’ll mean she’s worried about losing.

  23. @Mr. Blank
    The difference, of course, is that in 1995 Democrats still felt like they needed to attract at least some support from blue collar voters.

    I know some folks think that American immigration policy was developed as part of some master plan cooked up by Ted Kennedy to replace white voters with a more docile servant class, but I really don't think anybody ever put that much thought into it until very recently. When I was younger, it wasn't unusual to hear mainstream Democrats, especially from the heartland, talk about immigration the way Trump does.

    I honestly think that the full implications of demographic displacement through immigration didn't dawn on Democrats until pretty late in the game -- though they still managed to figure it out well before Republicans did. To the extent there was ever a deliberate, coordinated conspiracy, it was mostly an after-the-fact Jedi mind trick aimed at keeping Republicans in the dark just a little bit longer.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I know some folks think that American immigration policy was developed as part of some master plan cooked up by Ted Kennedy to replace white voters with a more docile servant class, but I really don’t think anybody ever put that much thought into it until very recently.

    Sure — it just happened by accident. Everywhere. That’s a lot of coincidences.

  24. Well, that’s exactly the problem, isn’t it? Hillary’s open-borders stance isn’t a fringe position anymore.

    • Replies: @JerryC
    @JerryC

    Tbe more I think of it, immigration restrictionism is pretty close to becoming a fringe position. Opposition to open borders is about where opposition to gay marriage was 10 years ago or so. A good majority of the country was against it but elite opinion had solidified in favor of it. From there, it was only a matter of time until the elite shoved it down the throats of the unenlightened peasants. And now, there's a solid majority in favor of gay marriage even in nationwide opinion polls. A lot of people are just going to go along with whatever the majority opinion is at that time.

    Replies: @WJ, @Jefferson

  25. @Anonymous
    That's because Bill was speaking before the the huge surge in immigration which began under the Bush administration.

    The Clinton years were a time of peace and the Dot Com bubble. The bubble burst around 2000. Bush came in, and a new bubble based on cheap labor, immigration, and housing was created, while terrorism and war distracted the populace.

    If the Bush immigration surge hadn't happened, Hillary would sound more like Bill did, and would be trying to win Southern and working class white votes. Bill won states like West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas. But since the surge did happen, Hillary sees another path to winning the election.

    Replies: @Travis

    Democrats were generally against more immigration 30 years ago. The Labor unions were strong opponents to increased immigration. George Bush Sr. passed the immigration bill of 1990. It increased legal immigration by over 50%. It provided family based immigration visa, created five distinct employment based visas, categorized by occupation, as well as the diversity visa program which created a lottery to admit immigrants from “low admittance” countries. Other aspects of the act include lifting the English testing process for naturalization.

    “Today I am pleased to sign S. 358, the ‘Immigration Act of 1990’—the most comprehensive reform of our immigration laws in 66 years.”- George H Bush, November 1990.

    After it became law, the United States would admit 700,000 new legal immigrants annually, up from 500,000 before the bill’s passage. The new system continued to favor people with family members, but added 50,000 “diversity visas” for countries from which few were emigrating, as well as 40,000 permanent job-related workers and 65,000 temporary worker visas per year.

    immigration restriction was already a popular platform in 1994, as shown by Gov. Wilson who obtained 21% of the Black vote in California. But the media and elites of America always claim immigration is not a big issue. But it was the sole reason Wilson was re-elected and the reason Cantor lost his seat in the house and the reason Trump won the GOP primary.

  26. @JerryC
    Well, that's exactly the problem, isn't it? Hillary's open-borders stance isn't a fringe position anymore.

    Replies: @JerryC

    Tbe more I think of it, immigration restrictionism is pretty close to becoming a fringe position. Opposition to open borders is about where opposition to gay marriage was 10 years ago or so. A good majority of the country was against it but elite opinion had solidified in favor of it. From there, it was only a matter of time until the elite shoved it down the throats of the unenlightened peasants. And now, there’s a solid majority in favor of gay marriage even in nationwide opinion polls. A lot of people are just going to go along with whatever the majority opinion is at that time.

    • Replies: @WJ
    @JerryC

    The obvious response is that unlike gay marriage, massive legal and illegal immigration will impact almost every person in the USA. When it comes down to it on gay marriage, what did it really matter? Probably not good for society overall but in the overall context very insignificant.

    Massive immigration of millions of third worlders with socialist leanings will end this country and the typical way of life for the middle class, in dozens of ways, that have already been addressed very clearly by others.

    However, your point is valid about the normalization of open borders. Everybody likes Mexican food and many people have had Pedro fix their sheet rock so they think it all can't be bad.

    , @Jefferson
    @JerryC

    "Tbe more I think of it, immigration restrictionism is pretty close to becoming a fringe position."

    All political views that are right of center even ones that have nothing to do with immigration are becoming fringe due to changing racial demographics. Nonwhites on average are not advocates of gun rights and freedom of speech they disagree with.

    For every 1 patriot Dinesh D'Souza type you have 10 extremely ungrateful Martin Bashir types who hate White people and hate Western culture.

    Dinesh D'Souza is voting for Donald Trump.
    http://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/variety-hillarys-america-director-dinesh-dsouza-backing-donald-trump-insensitive-not-racist/

  27. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Fringe is relative. For decades people have been trooping to the polls to democratically elect politicians who have debated immigration laws in Congress, passed them, and the President has duly signed them and they became law. At which point the system raised its middle finger at democracy and the American nation and said “F*** you, we’re not enforcing that!”, all with the Supreme Court’s approval. Hillary isn’t fringe in this system, just as Merkel and May aren’t fringe, it’s the people who are fringe. Which is why they’re being replaced.

  28. @JerryC
    @JerryC

    Tbe more I think of it, immigration restrictionism is pretty close to becoming a fringe position. Opposition to open borders is about where opposition to gay marriage was 10 years ago or so. A good majority of the country was against it but elite opinion had solidified in favor of it. From there, it was only a matter of time until the elite shoved it down the throats of the unenlightened peasants. And now, there's a solid majority in favor of gay marriage even in nationwide opinion polls. A lot of people are just going to go along with whatever the majority opinion is at that time.

    Replies: @WJ, @Jefferson

    The obvious response is that unlike gay marriage, massive legal and illegal immigration will impact almost every person in the USA. When it comes down to it on gay marriage, what did it really matter? Probably not good for society overall but in the overall context very insignificant.

    Massive immigration of millions of third worlders with socialist leanings will end this country and the typical way of life for the middle class, in dozens of ways, that have already been addressed very clearly by others.

    However, your point is valid about the normalization of open borders. Everybody likes Mexican food and many people have had Pedro fix their sheet rock so they think it all can’t be bad.

  29. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Monsey, NY not Muncie.

    This clown is interesting. He's an anti-Zionist rabbi.
    Yeah that's a thing.

    from wikipedia


    Weiss states that though Israelis have used the Holocaust to gain sympathy and advantage, he does not believe the Holocaust toll is exaggerated.[11] Weiss said that "The Zionists use the Holocaust issue to their benefit. We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests. We stress that there are hundreds of thousands Jews around the world who identify with our opposition to the Zionist ideology and who feel that Zionism is not Jewish, but a political agenda...What we want is not a withdrawal to the '67 borders, but to everything included in it, so the country can go back to the Palestinians and we could live with them..."[12]

    Weiss has defended Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad against accusations of anti-Semitism. In March 2006, Weiss released a statement to Iran's official IRIB radio in which he stated that: "it is dangerous deviation to pretend that the Iranian president is anti-Jewish and anti-Semitic. He is extremely friendly and he understands the difference between the Zionists and the Jews who do not embrace the state of Israel... We don't look at him as an enemy."[13]

    American Jewish organisations, including Agudath Israel of America and the Orthodox Union, issued statements distancing themselves from Weiss.[14] The executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, has called the group "embarrassing",[14] and Rabbi Avi Shafran, spokesman for Agudath Israel of America, called Neturei Karta's public display of affection for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "graphic and disgusting."[14]

    Since returning to the U.S. from the conference, Weiss and other individuals who attended have been ostracized by synagogues, denied service at kosher stores, and have been the subject of disparagement in some communities with strong Orthodox Jewish populations such as Brooklyn and Monsey.[3]
     

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Ivy

    The Wikipedia entry let slip a new type of intersectionality involving reincarnation.

    We, Jews who perished in the Holocaust, do not use it to advance our interests.

  30. “And let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he’s doing”

    Yes, you can dispel unwanted things, or you can dispense with them, but you don’t “dispel with,” unless you’re grabbing a wand. Which actually might not be out of the question for Rubio, given the rumors.

  31. Here’s the crazy thing, CA should be a given for Hillary unless their internal polling is showing something that scares them or her campaign managers are total idiots and buying ad space like crazy everywhere.

    Trump running more competitively than he “should be” in CA might be enough to scare them into spending some money, even if they aren’t actually worried about losing. Looks bad.

  32. Good stuff. Too bad Bill didn’t mean a word of it. Trump should plagiarize this and see if the press takes the bait.

  33. I think there are a few differences between Bill in 1995 and Hillary 2016, that account for the immigration shift beyond just elite globopinion “coming out” and getting ever more loony:

    — Bill had just been governor of Arkansas and had run from the DLC wing of the party, opposing academic leftism and coalition of the fringes racialism and multicult taking over the party but rather trying to keep\restore appeal to middle\working class white people.

    — Hillary by contrast has spent the last 16 years in an increasingly fringy party and specifically catering to the rich clients of the Clinton’s influence peddling scheme that’s made them 150 million dollars. And she’s chosen for her socializing to hang out with these rich Jews in the Hamptons–who really are immigration lunatics.

    — Bill is not naturally an ideologue. He’s probably quite comfortable with good ole’ boys and doesn’t see them as the enemy–he’s a good ole’ boy who made good himself. Bill’s more of a “whatever gets you through the night”–or “if you can’t be with the one you love … love the one you’re with”–kinda guy.

    — In contrast, Hillary is a true believer. Protestant church lady from hell. She knows what’s wrong, what’s right and is going to *fix* things. She’s a great example of why men of yore had the good sense to not give women the vote. Hillary is Carrie Nation. The nation may not survive her swinging her axe.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @AnotherDad

    Very good points.

    I'd add that it certainly seems that Hillary has surrounded herself with people who are themselves predictably SJWs -- either Affirmative Action beneficiaries or very young "progressives".

    Huma obviously has, well, skin in the AA game, as does Cheryl Mills. And her campaign manager Mook is of an age (36) for which the elite progressive bubble had already been sealed from kindergarten on, and the need to appeal to white working class "racists" fully discounted. And when at State, she was plainly under the baleful influence of that sermonizing, know-it-all termagant Samantha Power (I know what we must do in any international situation! I've written a book!)

    Who in her company, besides maybe Bill himself, is going to give her a contrary idea on any identity politics issue?

    I don't see Hillary herself as being capable of an independent thought; she is the vector sum of her outside influences. If they don't change, neither does her mind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @ben tillman
    @AnotherDad


    – Bill is not naturally an ideologue. He’s probably quite comfortable with good ole’ boys and doesn’t see them as the enemy–he’s a good ole’ boy who made good himself. Bill’s more of a “whatever gets you through the night”–or “if you can’t be with the one you love … love the one you’re with”–kinda guy.
     
    No kidding. I dated the step-daughter of one of his best buddies, the (Democrat) Louisiana state treasurer at the time. And your assessment is on target.
  34. @PiltdownMan
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Naturei Karta has been around since 1938.

    Their position is based not on political considerations or naiveté, but on theological grounds. To quote Wikipedia

    "Neturei Karta opposes Zionism and calls for a dismantling of the State of Israel, in the belief that Jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the Jewish Messiah."

    That's no more automatically clownish or hilarious than the belief that Jews have a natural right to their own sovereign, exclusive nation state in the Levant simply because their ancestors lived there sixty generations ago.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Weiss is a professional clown, and if you don’t think it’s funny when he sits down on the floor and refuses to move at a NYC Council hearing on BDS I don’t know what to tell you.

    Personally, I’m not concerned with establishing Muslim control over all land they ever conquered for all eternity, but I suppose that’s a point of view, like Neturei Karta. The thing is, it’s not going to be enough:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10939235/Rome-will-be-conquered-next-says-leader-of-Islamic-State.html

    When do we return Andalusia to its rightful owners?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Agreed about Weiss's personality. My point was about Naturei Karta. I suppose one could say that the principal point of difference with Zionism is one of timing.

  35. • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    Something seemed to go wrong with that earlier comment -- sorry -- I think this is the tweet I meant to post -- to show her 'extreme' hypocrisy:

    https://twitter.com/OnMessageForHer/status/773265793232404481

  36. The closest analogy to the current election is the election of 1856 which elected Democrat James Buchanan. His biographer wrote that “an unprecedented wave of angry passion was sweeping the nation”. The Democrats were united and the opposition was split.
    The rich wanted to import massive amounts of cheap non-white labor to make themselves richer, regardless of the harm to their country. The rich wanted to invade other countries to make an empire. Buchanan supported them fully.
    Like HRC, Buchanan was old, had been a politician for decades, and became the last president to have been Secretary of State. The only president who never married, referred to as an “old maid”, Buchanan adopted the southern mannerisms of his long-time partner.

  37. Are there fewer terrorist attacks recently?
    Did somebody put out the message to pause until they can get her elected?

  38. @Broski
    Trump should have a meeting with Putin. That would be huge.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Lagertha

    Putin would love the opportunity to poke obama and hitlery.
    And then maybe China. And they’ll give HIM the “red carpet” treatment !

  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of insane fringe thoughts and behavior that parades as “the way we ought to be”, I read that at Brown University, they are putting tampons in men’s rooms, because “men” also menstruate. That is, transsexuals menstruate, so must still deal with biological reality.

    Funny how you never hear them referred to as people who think they are men, yet we hear about people who think they are white (but who actually are white) increasingly.

  40. @AnotherDad
    I think there are a few differences between Bill in 1995 and Hillary 2016, that account for the immigration shift beyond just elite globopinion "coming out" and getting ever more loony:

    -- Bill had just been governor of Arkansas and had run from the DLC wing of the party, opposing academic leftism and coalition of the fringes racialism and multicult taking over the party but rather trying to keep\restore appeal to middle\working class white people.

    -- Hillary by contrast has spent the last 16 years in an increasingly fringy party and specifically catering to the rich clients of the Clinton's influence peddling scheme that's made them 150 million dollars. And she's chosen for her socializing to hang out with these rich Jews in the Hamptons--who really are immigration lunatics.

    -- Bill is not naturally an ideologue. He's probably quite comfortable with good ole' boys and doesn't see them as the enemy--he's a good ole' boy who made good himself. Bill's more of a "whatever gets you through the night"--or "if you can't be with the one you love ... love the one you're with"--kinda guy.

    -- In contrast, Hillary is a true believer. Protestant church lady from hell. She knows what's wrong, what's right and is going to *fix* things. She's a great example of why men of yore had the good sense to not give women the vote. Hillary is Carrie Nation. The nation may not survive her swinging her axe.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @ben tillman

    Very good points.

    I’d add that it certainly seems that Hillary has surrounded herself with people who are themselves predictably SJWs — either Affirmative Action beneficiaries or very young “progressives”.

    Huma obviously has, well, skin in the AA game, as does Cheryl Mills. And her campaign manager Mook is of an age (36) for which the elite progressive bubble had already been sealed from kindergarten on, and the need to appeal to white working class “racists” fully discounted. And when at State, she was plainly under the baleful influence of that sermonizing, know-it-all termagant Samantha Power (I know what we must do in any international situation! I’ve written a book!)

    Who in her company, besides maybe Bill himself, is going to give her a contrary idea on any identity politics issue?

    I don’t see Hillary herself as being capable of an independent thought; she is the vector sum of her outside influences. If they don’t change, neither does her mind.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    Does Hillary ever check in with Biden for advice?

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous

  41. @candid_observer
    @AnotherDad

    Very good points.

    I'd add that it certainly seems that Hillary has surrounded herself with people who are themselves predictably SJWs -- either Affirmative Action beneficiaries or very young "progressives".

    Huma obviously has, well, skin in the AA game, as does Cheryl Mills. And her campaign manager Mook is of an age (36) for which the elite progressive bubble had already been sealed from kindergarten on, and the need to appeal to white working class "racists" fully discounted. And when at State, she was plainly under the baleful influence of that sermonizing, know-it-all termagant Samantha Power (I know what we must do in any international situation! I've written a book!)

    Who in her company, besides maybe Bill himself, is going to give her a contrary idea on any identity politics issue?

    I don't see Hillary herself as being capable of an independent thought; she is the vector sum of her outside influences. If they don't change, neither does her mind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Does Hillary ever check in with Biden for advice?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Not so as one could tell, I think.

    I think Biden is eager to give advice -- he's that kind of guy, and his advice probably isn't generally that bad -- but I wonder who ever listens to it in the modern Democratic Party.

    Gotta be a pretty discouraging thing to be a old white guy in today's Democratic Party; all you've got is wisdom.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    From what I've read of people who know her reporting direct words from her mouth, Hillary has her own tripleplusungood feelings about minorities, the media just seems to conveniently forget to report on these things she's outright said, because they're too busy rifling through Trump's old gym shoes trying to find proof positive of his deep-seated hatred of brown people.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    Does Hillary ever check in with Biden for advice?

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous

    Not so as one could tell, I think.

    I think Biden is eager to give advice — he’s that kind of guy, and his advice probably isn’t generally that bad — but I wonder who ever listens to it in the modern Democratic Party.

    Gotta be a pretty discouraging thing to be a old white guy in today’s Democratic Party; all you’ve got is wisdom.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @candid_observer

    "Not so as one could tell, I think.

    I think Biden is eager to give advice — he’s that kind of guy, and his advice probably isn’t generally that bad — but I wonder who ever listens to it in the modern Democratic Party.

    Gotta be a pretty discouraging thing to be a old white guy in today’s Democratic Party; all you’ve got is wisdom."

    Joe Biden is the king of Left Wing identity politics. He is the same guy who used fear mongering tactics to get Blacks to vote for Barack Hussein Obama. He is a good attack dog for the Left.
    https://youtu.be/f7Q1I6PIIuY

    Just because Joe Biden is not a Homosexual, a woman, or a Nonwhite, it does not make him a moderate. He is still pro-invite the world and anti-White.

  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    Does Hillary ever check in with Biden for advice?

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Anonymous

    From what I’ve read of people who know her reporting direct words from her mouth, Hillary has her own tripleplusungood feelings about minorities, the media just seems to conveniently forget to report on these things she’s outright said, because they’re too busy rifling through Trump’s old gym shoes trying to find proof positive of his deep-seated hatred of brown people.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    Yep. There is lots of evidence wrt HRC's views on the Tribe (http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/three-eyewitnesses-allege-hillary-called-aide-a-fking-jew-bastard/), but the MSM has declined for some reason to speak truth to power in this case.

  44. @rod1963
    @Harry Baldwin

    She gets away with her bad decisions because the MSM is protecting her(including FoxNews). If you notice none of them(including Fox) brings up position on gun control/confiscation.

    In short they are hiding all the ugly agenda warts Hillary has planned for us.

    Still people don't like her, given her rallies are very small and sparsely attended.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/08/clinton-campaign-stunner-dismal-attendance-for-hillary-clinton-key-note-address-in-kansas-city/

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/another-tiny-crowd-hillary-swing-state-north-carolina/

    Attendance at the American Legion speech was equally bad.

    But it makes sense since Democratic participation is down 20% this time around.

    Hillary doesn't draw them out and no one wants to see Slick, who increasingly looks like a bug eyed pervert and pig diddler.

    She's worried as well. I still see every day Hillary political TV ads on Fox and ABC(I don't know about the other channels) here in Southern California. Now this is a expensive market to run ads during prime time but they're doing it. Hillary has been running ads here for at least a month.

    Here's the crazy thing, CA should be a given for Hillary unless their internal polling is showing something that scares them or her campaign managers are total idiots and buying ad space like crazy everywhere.

    Replies: @27 year old

    >or her campaign managers are total idiots and buying ad space like crazy everywhere.

    It’s not idiotic, it’s giving money to their friends at the TV network

  45. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    From what I've read of people who know her reporting direct words from her mouth, Hillary has her own tripleplusungood feelings about minorities, the media just seems to conveniently forget to report on these things she's outright said, because they're too busy rifling through Trump's old gym shoes trying to find proof positive of his deep-seated hatred of brown people.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Yep. There is lots of evidence wrt HRC’s views on the Tribe (http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/05/three-eyewitnesses-allege-hillary-called-aide-a-fking-jew-bastard/), but the MSM has declined for some reason to speak truth to power in this case.

  46. Trump is a moderate, centrist, reasonable Eisenhower Republican. Hillary is the radical one. Trump needs to emphasize this theme in the remaining weeks.

    I also hope he talks about the H1B egregiousness that’s getting ever more outrageous. It could help bring in independents and white collar folks.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Amasius

    spread the word; I have, since last fall. H1B is especially bad for our STEM grads. Most college educated women would freak out to know that their snowflake/future children can be easily replaced by a cheaper Pakistani or something. When her son of age 40, with 2 children under 8, loses his job (must train his replacements) because he is too expensive, and, a H1B visa holder, is well, cheaper...they will freak

  47. @AnotherDad
    I think there are a few differences between Bill in 1995 and Hillary 2016, that account for the immigration shift beyond just elite globopinion "coming out" and getting ever more loony:

    -- Bill had just been governor of Arkansas and had run from the DLC wing of the party, opposing academic leftism and coalition of the fringes racialism and multicult taking over the party but rather trying to keep\restore appeal to middle\working class white people.

    -- Hillary by contrast has spent the last 16 years in an increasingly fringy party and specifically catering to the rich clients of the Clinton's influence peddling scheme that's made them 150 million dollars. And she's chosen for her socializing to hang out with these rich Jews in the Hamptons--who really are immigration lunatics.

    -- Bill is not naturally an ideologue. He's probably quite comfortable with good ole' boys and doesn't see them as the enemy--he's a good ole' boy who made good himself. Bill's more of a "whatever gets you through the night"--or "if you can't be with the one you love ... love the one you're with"--kinda guy.

    -- In contrast, Hillary is a true believer. Protestant church lady from hell. She knows what's wrong, what's right and is going to *fix* things. She's a great example of why men of yore had the good sense to not give women the vote. Hillary is Carrie Nation. The nation may not survive her swinging her axe.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @ben tillman

    – Bill is not naturally an ideologue. He’s probably quite comfortable with good ole’ boys and doesn’t see them as the enemy–he’s a good ole’ boy who made good himself. Bill’s more of a “whatever gets you through the night”–or “if you can’t be with the one you love … love the one you’re with”–kinda guy.

    No kidding. I dated the step-daughter of one of his best buddies, the (Democrat) Louisiana state treasurer at the time. And your assessment is on target.

  48. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @PiltdownMan

    Weiss is a professional clown, and if you don't think it's funny when he sits down on the floor and refuses to move at a NYC Council hearing on BDS I don't know what to tell you.

    Personally, I'm not concerned with establishing Muslim control over all land they ever conquered for all eternity, but I suppose that's a point of view, like Neturei Karta. The thing is, it's not going to be enough:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10939235/Rome-will-be-conquered-next-says-leader-of-Islamic-State.html

    When do we return Andalusia to its rightful owners?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Agreed about Weiss’s personality. My point was about Naturei Karta. I suppose one could say that the principal point of difference with Zionism is one of timing.

  49. We have to face facts. Massive Immavasion is a feature all over the West, from Australia, to New Zealand, to Italy, to France, to Germany, to the UK, to Canada, basically every place White people are the majority, they are being replaced.

    This is not happening because most people HATE HATE HATE it. But rather that enough, probably a working majority in most places, LOVE LOVE LOVE it. Nice White Ladies like Hillary! burn with hatred for their male peers, see also Angela Merkel, PM May, the Danish Prime Minister who flirted with Obama, etc. Plus a whole new population to babysit in some form, and get paid to do it, and EAT-PRAY-LOVE right at home. You don’t see men outside freaks like Gary Glitter flocking to the icky Third World. Women do it all the time. And not for the great pointers on baseball statistics and chess either.

    Hillary is not worried, she is leading everywhere still; and she has a massive data operation that impresses even the Obama people, with leading Data Scientists from Apple, Google, Facebook etc. doing very targeted ads, etc. The California ads are probably artifacts of weird display channels; I don’t have cable and saw them for a while on over the air TV, but they are gone now.

    The combination of the media all in, the natural Carrie Nation tendency of most Nice White Ladies, organized NAM turnout, and BLM agitation, etc. will carry Clinton over, most likely.

    GOD HELP US. Among other things Hillary wants war with Putin. For what reason I can’t figure.

    But there it is. Our doom was sealed, in 1920. Women just don’t have the same interests as men, indeed they are diametrically opposed; women are happy to be a conqueror’s concubine and gain reproductive advantage greatly, while men face reproductive death as slaves.

    Short and sweet, most women view the immavaders and the new conquerors they can become either nannies or mistresses and bear a new Sultan’s son or something. Stupid but that’s human nature.

  50. @Honesthughgrant

    I suspect that Hillary isn’t really aware of how fringe she has become on immigration.
     
    No offense Steve, but one reason why political discussions in the USA has become so dull is that everyone seems to be spinning and engaging in PR instead of speaking the truth.

    Does anyone REALLY think that Hillary doesn't know what she's doing on every freakin' issue? She's a Harvard - or Yale - law grad. And does anyone REALLY think that Steve S. knows that Hillary doesn't know, where she is on every single issue?

    Hillary - like almost all elite Dems - knows EXACTLY what she's doing. Same with Bill and Obama.

    She doesn't care dude. They don't care. The Left never REALLY cared about average Joe Six-pack. Its all about THEM.

    Replies: @Shitposter Supreme, @Anonymous, @laura r

    Hillary – like almost all elite Dems – knows EXACTLY what she’s doing. Same with Bill and Obama.

    What exactly do they think they are doing?

  51. @Broski
    Trump should have a meeting with Putin. That would be huge.

    Replies: @boogerbently, @Lagertha

    if there is a terrorist hit (by the usual suspects – jihadies) in Russia, it will present an opportunity. Jihadies, with their infinite hubris and concomitant stupidity, could throw this election in all kinds of bizarro directions. Trump needs to be steady and batten down the hatches. Slow and steady wins the race.

  52. @candid_observer
    @Steve Sailer

    Not so as one could tell, I think.

    I think Biden is eager to give advice -- he's that kind of guy, and his advice probably isn't generally that bad -- but I wonder who ever listens to it in the modern Democratic Party.

    Gotta be a pretty discouraging thing to be a old white guy in today's Democratic Party; all you've got is wisdom.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Not so as one could tell, I think.

    I think Biden is eager to give advice — he’s that kind of guy, and his advice probably isn’t generally that bad — but I wonder who ever listens to it in the modern Democratic Party.

    Gotta be a pretty discouraging thing to be a old white guy in today’s Democratic Party; all you’ve got is wisdom.”

    Joe Biden is the king of Left Wing identity politics. He is the same guy who used fear mongering tactics to get Blacks to vote for Barack Hussein Obama. He is a good attack dog for the Left.

    Just because Joe Biden is not a Homosexual, a woman, or a Nonwhite, it does not make him a moderate. He is still pro-invite the world and anti-White.

  53. @Amasius
    Trump is a moderate, centrist, reasonable Eisenhower Republican. Hillary is the radical one. Trump needs to emphasize this theme in the remaining weeks.

    I also hope he talks about the H1B egregiousness that's getting ever more outrageous. It could help bring in independents and white collar folks.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    spread the word; I have, since last fall. H1B is especially bad for our STEM grads. Most college educated women would freak out to know that their snowflake/future children can be easily replaced by a cheaper Pakistani or something. When her son of age 40, with 2 children under 8, loses his job (must train his replacements) because he is too expensive, and, a H1B visa holder, is well, cheaper…they will freak

  54. @JerryC
    @JerryC

    Tbe more I think of it, immigration restrictionism is pretty close to becoming a fringe position. Opposition to open borders is about where opposition to gay marriage was 10 years ago or so. A good majority of the country was against it but elite opinion had solidified in favor of it. From there, it was only a matter of time until the elite shoved it down the throats of the unenlightened peasants. And now, there's a solid majority in favor of gay marriage even in nationwide opinion polls. A lot of people are just going to go along with whatever the majority opinion is at that time.

    Replies: @WJ, @Jefferson

    “Tbe more I think of it, immigration restrictionism is pretty close to becoming a fringe position.”

    All political views that are right of center even ones that have nothing to do with immigration are becoming fringe due to changing racial demographics. Nonwhites on average are not advocates of gun rights and freedom of speech they disagree with.

    For every 1 patriot Dinesh D’Souza type you have 10 extremely ungrateful Martin Bashir types who hate White people and hate Western culture.

    Dinesh D’Souza is voting for Donald Trump.
    http://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/variety-hillarys-america-director-dinesh-dsouza-backing-donald-trump-insensitive-not-racist/

  55. @eah
    https://twitter.com/OnMessageForHer/status/77409410217864806

    https://twitter.com/OnMessageForHer

    Replies: @eah

    Something seemed to go wrong with that earlier comment — sorry — I think this is the tweet I meant to post — to show her ‘extreme’ hypocrisy:

  56. @Honesthughgrant

    I suspect that Hillary isn’t really aware of how fringe she has become on immigration.
     
    No offense Steve, but one reason why political discussions in the USA has become so dull is that everyone seems to be spinning and engaging in PR instead of speaking the truth.

    Does anyone REALLY think that Hillary doesn't know what she's doing on every freakin' issue? She's a Harvard - or Yale - law grad. And does anyone REALLY think that Steve S. knows that Hillary doesn't know, where she is on every single issue?

    Hillary - like almost all elite Dems - knows EXACTLY what she's doing. Same with Bill and Obama.

    She doesn't care dude. They don't care. The Left never REALLY cared about average Joe Six-pack. Its all about THEM.

    Replies: @Shitposter Supreme, @Anonymous, @laura r

    the left wants to believe any absurd outrageous statement against the right. when it comes to donald the more bizarre the more believable. obama & hillary know this.

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