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From the New York Times news section:

Obscure Musicology Journal Sparks Battles Over Race and Free Speech

A scholar’s address about racism and music theory was met with a vituperative, personal response by a small journal. It faced calls to cease publishing.

By Michael Powell
Published Feb. 14, 2021

A periodical devoted to the study of a long-dead European music theorist is an unlikely suspect to spark an explosive battle over race and free speech.

But the tiny Journal of Schenkerian Studies, with a paid circulation of about 30 copies an issue per year, has ignited a fiery reckoning over race and the limits of academic free speech, along with whiffs of a generational struggle. The battle threatens to consume the career of Timothy Jackson, a 62-year-old music theory professor at the University of North Texas, and led to calls to dissolve the journal.

It also prompted Professor Jackson to file an unusual lawsuit charging the university with violating his First Amendment rights — while accusing his critics of defamation.

This tale began in the autumn of 2019 when Philip Ewell, a Black music theory professor at Hunter College, addressed the Society for Music Theory in Columbus, Ohio. He described music theory as dominated by white males and beset by racism. He held up the theorist Heinrich Schenker, who died in Austria in 1935, as an exemplar of that flawed world, a “virulent racist” who wrote of “primitive” and “inferior” races — views, he argued, that suffused his theories of music.

Having no musical ability, I am pig-ignorant about music theory. I’d never heard of Herr Schenker. Reading up on him, it’s clear that some idolize him. But he also sounds disagreeable, rather like Ignatius J. Reilly:

Having failed to gain recognition as a composer, conductor, and accompanist, by 1900 he shifted his focus increasingly on problems of musical editing and music theory … Schenker hoped his monograph on Beethoven’s 9th Symphony (published in 1912) would have a revelatory effect, but believed that the book’s reception would be clouded by musicians’ faulty understanding, due to poor theoretical instruction.

Schenker sounds rather like various egotistical cult leader intellectuals, such as Marx, Freud, Rand and so forth. But I certainly lack what it takes to objectively analyze the magnitude of his contribution. The great conductor Furtwangler deeply admired Schencker.

Back to the NYT:

“I’ve only scratched the surface in showing out how Schenker’s racism permeates his music theories,” Professor Ewell said, accusing generations of Schenker scholars of trying to “whitewash” the theorist in an act of “colorblind racism.”

The society’s members — its professoriate is 94 percent white — responded with a standing ovation. Many younger faculty members and graduate students embraced his call to dismantle “white mythologies” and study non-European music forms. The tone was of repentance.

“We humbly acknowledge that we have much work to do to dismantle the whiteness and systemic racism that deeply shape our discipline,” the society’s executive board later stated.

At the University of North Texas, however, Professor Jackson, a white musicologist, watched a video of that speech and felt a swell of anger. His fellow scholars stood accused, some by name, of constructing a white “witness protection program” and shrugging off Schenker’s racism. That struck him as unfair and inaccurate, as some had explored Schenker’s oft-hateful views on race and ethnicity.

A tenured music theory professor, Professor Jackson was the grandson of Jewish émigrés and had lost many relatives in the Holocaust. He had a singular passion: He searched out lost works by Jewish composers hounded and killed by the Nazis.

And he devoted himself to the study of Schenker, a towering Jewish intellect credited with stripping music to its essence in search of an internal language. The Journal of Schenkerian Studies, published under the aegis of the University of North Texas, was read by a small but intense coterie of scholars.

He and other North Texas professors decided to explore Professor Ewell’s claims about connections between Schenker’s racial views and music theories.

They called for essays and published every submission. Five essays stoutly defended Professor Ewell; most of the remaining 10 essays took strong issue. …

Professor Jackson’s essay was barbed. Schenker, he wrote, was no privileged white man. Rather he was a Jew in prewar Germany

No, actually he lived and died in 1935 in Vienna, Austria, not in Germany.

, the definition of the persecuted other. The Nazis destroyed much of his work and his wife perished in a concentration camp.

Professor Jackson then took an incendiary turn. He wrote that Professor Ewell had scapegoated Schenker within “the much larger context of Black-on-Jew attacks in the United States” and that his “denunciation of Schenker and Schenkerians may be seen as part and parcel of the much broader current of Black anti-Semitism.” He wrote that such phenomena “currently manifest themselves in myriad ways, including the pattern of violence against Jews, the obnoxious lyrics of some hip-hop songs, etc.”

Noting the paucity of Black musicians in classical music, Professor Jackson wrote that “few grow up in homes where classical music is profoundly valued.”…

His remarks lit a rhetorical match. The journal appeared in late July. Within days the executive board of the Society for Music Theory stated that several essays contained “anti-Black statements and personal ad hominem attacks” and said that its failure to invite Professor Ewell to respond was designed to “replicate a culture of whiteness.”

Soon after, 900 professors and graduate students signed a letter denouncing the journal’s editors for ignoring peer review. The essays, they stated, constituted “anti-Black racism.”

Graduate students at the University of North Texas issued an unsigned manifesto calling for the journal to be dissolved and for the “potential removal” of faculty members who used it “to promote racism.”

University of North Texas officials in December released an investigation that accused Professor Jackson of failing to hew to best practices and of having too much power over the journal’s graduate student editor. He was barred from the magazine, and money for the Schenker Center was suspended. …

That said, race is an electric wire in American society and a traditional defense of untrammeled speech on campus competes with a newer view that speech itself can constitute violence. Professors who denounced the journal stressed that they opposed censorship but noted pointedly that cultural attitudes are shifting.

“I’m educated in the tradition that says the best response to bad speech is more speech,” said Professor Edward Klorman of McGill University. “But sometimes the traditional idea of free speech comes into conflict with safety and inclusivity.”

After all, who is more likely to tip over into amok violence than some music theorists?

… Schenker, who was born in Galicia, part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, was an ardent cultural Germanophile and given to dyspeptic diatribes. He spoke of the “filthy” French; English, and Italians as “inferior races”; and Slavs as “half animals.” Africans had a “cannibal spirit.” …

… A cellist and scholar of Russian classical music, Professor Ewell, 54, describes himself as an activist for racial, gender and social justice and a critic of whiteness in music theory. … He is part of a generation of scholars who are undertaking critical-race examinations of their fields. …

For music programs to require mastery of German, he has said, “is racist obviously.” He has criticized the requirement that music Ph.D. students study German or a limited number of “white” languages, noting that at Yale he needed a dispensation to study Russian. He wrote that the “antiracist policy solution” would be “to require languages with one new caveat: any language — including sign language and computer languages, for instance — is acceptable with the exception of Ancient Greek, Latin, Italian, French or German, which will only be allowed by petition as a dispensation.”

Last April he fired a broadside at Beethoven, writing that it would be academically irresponsible to call him more than an “above average” composer. Beethoven, he wrote, “has been propped up by whiteness and maleness for 200 years.”

From Professor Ewell:

“Master,” and its derivatives (masterwork, masterpiece, masterful), carries both racist (master/slave) and sexist (master/mistress) connotations. In music theory “masterwork” is generally applied to compositions by white males. But Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony is no more a masterwork than Esperanza Spalding’s 12 Little Spells. To state that Beethoven was any more than, say, above average as a composer is to state that you know all music written on planet earth 200 years ago when Beethoven was active as a composer, which no one does.

iSteve commenter Giant Duck observes:

This view reminds me of the scene in the film Napoleon Dynamite, where Napoleon and his older brother Kip are watching Uncle Rico’s home movies of himself throwing a football. Napoleon says, “This is pretty much the worst video ever made!” to which Kip replies, “Like anyone can even know that.”

Back to Prof. Ewell on Beethoven:

Beethoven occupies the place he does because he has been propped up by whiteness and maleness for two hundred years, and we have been told by whiteness and maleness that his greatness has nothing to do with whiteness and maleness, in race-neutral and gender-neutral fashion. Thus music theory’s white-male frame obfuscates race and gender, one of its main goals.

Esperanza Spalding is a pretty jazz bassist who, due to systemic racism, has won only four Grammy awards.

Back to the NYT:

As for Schenker, Professor Ewell argued that his racism informed his music theories: “As with the inequality of races, Schenker believed in the inequality of tones.”

In Stoppard’s Jumpers, the philosophy professor hero argues in favor of the inequality of tones by playing trumpets from a work of Mozart’s and then the sound of a trumpet falling down a flight of stone steps.

But that, we now know, is racist.

 
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  1. • Agree: Father O'Hara
  2. Daniel H says:

    He wrote that Professor Ewell had scapegoated Schenker within “the much larger context of Black-on-Jew attacks in the United States” and that his “denunciation of Schenker and Schenkerians may be seen as part and parcel of the much broader current of Black anti-Semitism.”

    Don’t worry professor, ala Fredo in the Godfather, Hollywood/Music powers have a plan. Similar, such plans have worked out so well 1969-20??, right. Just ask Spike Lee.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/170-celebrities-sign-launch-of-black-jewish-entertainment-alliance/

  3. His fellow scholars stood accused, some by name, of constructing a white “witness protection program”

    Why not “whiteness protection program”?

  4. Only if you say it like this:
    Dass Beethoven größer war als Esperanza Spalding

    Because German is inherently racist.

  5. Rebunga says:

    Popularity is a tricky thing. On the one hand Hemingway would hold forth with great rectitude about what was good and what was not. On the other hand, the market did as it pleased and bought a lot of the books that Ernest despised.

    In his day it’s hard to say he was wrong. However, today it’s much different. One really can’t compare Bob Dylan with Si6xNy9n or whateverthefuck. Were not even speaking the same language.

    Coming around to a more Cormac Mccarthy thing now . . . What right man would have it any other way.

  6. I do know more than a thing or two about classical music, music theory, and, yes, even Schenkerian analysis.

    I’m not certain that Schenker’s system was the best analysis of the MASTERWORKS he addressed himself to – it is very reductive and it wasn’t the only method on hand – but it had an internal consistency and the works he analyzed were indeed MASTERWORKS of Western Music.

    The problem today – for academic music theorists, that is – is that there is very little music worth analyzing at this late date in our cultural decline and very little new to say about the MASTERWORKS of the past – so how is a professor to publish? By the equivalent of pulling down statues. Impostor Ewell, um, Professor Ewell has nothing positive to offer, he is simply trying to make make his name by smashing idols. Look at how much attention he has garnered merely by pointing his finger and shouting “Dead White European Racist!” Name the last academic music theorist you saw an article about in the NYT.

    BTW: Esperanto Spalding is a tedious listen. What do they say – she plays OK, for a girl. I’d say her natural afro and mulatto pigment is a bigger advantage for her than any musical expertise.

  7. Professor Ewell wants to devour tradition and centuries of beautiful music. Some might say he acts in accordance with a cannibal spirit.

    • LOL: Wilkey
  8. Whiskey says: • Website

    It’s all our war on Whitey now by blacks. They own and run the country now. How’s that citizenism working now Steve?

    Whites have two choices and only two choices. Be a slave. Or a master . That’s it. No other choice is possible.

  9. Ctrl-F ‘Jewish Supremacism’ – no results

  10. Wilkey says:

    Professor Jackson’s essay was barbed. Schenker, he wrote, was no privileged white man. Rather he was a Jew in prewar Germany

    No, actually he lived and died in 1935 in Vienna, Austria, not in Germany.

    IIRC, pre-WW2 Vienna was about 1/3rd Jewish. A lot of Jewish hatred in Vienna, but it would be hard to argue that many or most of those Jews there weren’t privileged.

    To state that Beethoven was any more than, say, above average as a composer is to state that you know all music written on planet earth 200 years ago when Beethoven was active as a composer, which no one does.

    Once again, white culture is blamed for the fact that it has technologies like writing, musical notation, and printing presses. “Write privilege,” I guess.

    • Replies: @Herp McDerp
    , @Art Deco
  11. So why doesn’t Prof. Ewell publish all the great pre-Beethoven African Classical Music? Oh, that’s right, there isn’t any to discover.

  12. Wilkey says:
    @Whiskey

    They’re showing us what they plan to do when whites are a minority. Democracy’s days are numbered. Knowing how they’ll use it, we’d be absolutely crazy to let it survive.

    • Agree: Polistra
  13. Interesting study.

    Very relevant.

    So if you can use your control over the television to create the PERCEPTION that the majority of the population believe XYZ to be true, then you can change public opinion quickly.

    This is especially true in individualistic cultures, in which most people are socially distant from neighbors, extended family, friends, co-workers, and others in their local community. Social atomization exacerbates the above.

    • Thanks: Voltarde
  14. @JohnnyWalker123

    Fauci is awarded $1 million prize in Israel, including for ‘speaking truth to power’.

    LOL. They just openly give us the finger.

  15. Anon[611] • Disclaimer says:

    When I first came across Schenker it was hard to tell if he was a profound genius or some sort of Kabbalahesque guy who found imaginary patterns everywhere. In Wikipedia, more than his bio page, the Schenkerian Analysis article will give you an idea of what he was doing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenkerian_analysis

    You can kind of work through some of this stuff if you have a few years of piano lessons of the sort where the teacher also taught you easy music theory like chord progressions and simple improvisation and composition.

  16. Anthony Fantano, the internet’s busiest music nerd, recently addressed this issue. Given that he has over 2 million subscribers and is the most influential music critic for those under 30(with the much more experienced Robert Christgau being the most influential with those over 35), his point-of-view has relevance. Here it is: https://youtu.be/CAMIdHurIN0

  17. wren says:

    Overjoyed and Ode to Joy. More than coincidence?

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    , @Kylie
    , @OilcanFloyd
  18. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    To state that Beethoven was any more than, say, above average as a composer is to state that you know all music written on planet earth 200 years ago when Beethoven was active as a composer, which no one does.

    This is not how it works. Individuals don’t have to know everything to make judgments like this. Contemporaries already filtered out the mediocre stuff and that wisdom is passed down. The bad stuff was never published, the mediocre stuff was published and was ignored. Innovative music sometimes did not initially get recognized, but was later given recognition. Schubert was an example, with Liszt helping to bring him to the world’s attention. Reputations also fall. Sigismond Thalberg was arguably more famous than Chopin and Liszt in Paris, but people ultimately decided he was more gimmick and technique and not much musical innovation, and so nobody’s ever heard of him these days.

    Conservatory and music college applicants need to audition, and it’s common knowledge that having one less famous work in your repertory is a big boost. There is a cottage industry of teachers and musicians trying to unearth hidden masterpieces from the past. There is a tremdous incentive to find good music from the past. The cream rises to the top.

  19. It’s fun to see black-Jewish cat fighting. And, yeah, Schenker sounds like a big dick.

    But the bottom line here though is more serious:

    Nothing of value can survive minoritarianism.

    Once people are badgered into thinking there’s something “wrong” with some WASPs keeping Jews out of their country clubs–or the German Jews keeping the hicks-from-the-sticks Ostjuden out of their country clubs–it’s all downhill.

    Either you have a culture where people can like what they like, or you don’t.

    In a healthy society white people–or anyone else–can decide they like their white musical tradition and think black music is not on par, or garbage or simply not be interested. And blacks–or anyone else–can differ and prefer their music. And it all gets sorted out organically: People make their arguments and make their choices.

    Minoritarianism is simply an attack on ability of a nation’s majority–specifically white gentiles–to like what they like, value what they value. Which ultimately means nothing of value can be preserved from the whiners.

  20. Pericles says:

    In music theory “masterwork” is generally applied to compositions by white males. But Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony is no more a masterwork than Esperanza Spalding’s 12 Little Spells.

    Thank you for your considered thoughts, professor, but you have not yet listened to my Masterwork #2 for the Kazoo (Untitled).

  21. And speaking of race and music, the legendary Detroit rapper, Marshall Mathers, recently got in a feud with fellow Detroit rapper, T Grizzly. Grizzly “dissed” Eminem multiple times, saying that he is only successful because he is white, that no one in “the hood” listens to him, that black people can’t relate to him and his life story, that he would kill him in the booth, etc.

    To make a long story short, Eminem, as you would expect, finally replied in bombastic fashion in the “Friday Night Cypher” from Big Sean’s “Detroit 2” album, where he is featured. Eminem’s response utterly humiliated T Grizzly.

    His reply was praised by Hip Hop heads for it’s lyricism, pitch-perfect rhyme structures and for Eminem’s extraordinary control of cadence and ability to hit precise pockets of the beat. Many consider Marshall the greatest technical lyricist of all times in Hip Hop, which he might be.

    Where it got ugly is that it caused a tremendous discomfort that a white man could be billlions of times better than one of Detroit’s most prominent black rappers at doing a black art form.

    Here is the whole thing: https://youtu.be/yfGGXeiezf0 And here is Eminem’s verse, which appears in the end: https://youtu.be/x_e7v76gS2Q

    “B-tch, you have never said a clever line, ever, You murdering in the booth is the furthest from the truth. Rest assured that I will treat this booth like I am peeling off the plastic on a pill bottle, I am tearing the ceilling off…”

    Eminem is a terrifying individual to get into a rap “beef” with…

  22. Wilkey says:

    But Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony is no more a masterwork than Esperanza Spalding’s 12 Little Spells.

    I think one useful tool to examine the merit of these claims is IMBD, which will give you the number of movie credits for each composer. Beethoven has 1,648 film and television soundtrack credits to his name. Spalding has….4.

    Of course Beethoven has been around for the entire history of film, while Spalding has not. And Beethoven is in the public domain, while Spalding isn’t. But I think it’s fair to say that the magnitude of the difference between the two overcomes any doubts.

  23. @AnotherDad

    LOL. They just openly give us the finger.

    That’s the part they love best.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @James O'Meara
  24. notsaying says:

    “Professors who denounced the journal stressed that they opposed censorship but noted pointedly that cultural attitudes are shifting.

    “I’m educated in the tradition that says the best response to bad speech is more speech,” said Professor Edward Klorman of McGill University. “But sometimes the traditional idea of free speech comes into conflict with safety and inclusivity.”

    When people talk like this what they are saying is that they just want you to shut yourself up and go away. There is no question of safety here and it seems like Prof. Ewell is the one with the most prejudices here.

    Prof. Jackson does himself no good when he says his idol was from Germany when he was from Austria. There is also no point in mentioning that few blacks come from homes where classical music is valued when that is certainly also true of whites, too.

    I give him credit for asking for essays about Prof. Ewell’s views and publishing them all in his journal. I think it is probably not going to get published anymore and that is a shame. If they could fire him they probably would but I assume he has tenure. I wonder what his graduate students do to earn a living and repay their student loans with a music degree from the University of North Texas?

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @Anon55uu
    , @ScarletNumber
  25. El Dato says:

    “I’ve only scratched the surface in showing out how Schenker’s racism permeates his music theories,” Professor Ewell said, accusing generations of Schenker scholars of trying to “whitewash” the theorist in an act of “colorblind racism.”

    The society’s members — its professoriate is 94 percent white — responded with a standing ovation. Many younger faculty members and graduate students embraced his call to dismantle “white mythologies” and study non-European music forms. The tone was of repentance.

    Fools. Yes, repent for your badthink. Then go on Twitter and repent more. Then send money to the 1619 project. But you will be removed too. Nobody loves simpering followers.

    Did no-one ever venture out of Europe to “study non-European music forms”? I think we need to attack this problem. How is your expedition to Nepal coming, Professor? Your contacts to the East India Company should be of immense help here. Ahmed! Could you bring us some more tea, please?

    That said, race is an electric wire in American society and a traditional defense of untrammeled speech on campus competes with a newer view that speech itself can constitute violence. Professors who denounced the journal stressed that they opposed censorship but noted pointedly that cultural attitudes are shifting.

    Just change a few words are you in Heidelberg, 1934. The ones taking the role of uniformed party functionaries are black this time. But that doesn’t change anything to the depressing platonic ideal of the situation.

    Also, warning to Goodwhites: When you want to drum in Ghana, you better have a black brain. Yes, it’s not the same as a white brain. Deal with it.


    Drums, Lies, and Audiotape: When I was invited to drum in Ghana, I gladly accepted. Then something went wrong.

  26. @Anon

    Is he a profound genius or some sort of Kabbalahesque guy who found imaginary patterns everywhere?

    This is all over my head, so I can’t form an opinion on the question.

    Furtwangler thought him brilliant, but did any composers find Schencker useful in composing great new stuff? (Schenker studied under Bruckner, but he hated the composer.)

  27. Is It Racist to Say That Beethoven Was Greater Than Esperanza Spalding?

    I hope not. (redoble de tambores)

    Philip Ewell, a Black music theory professor at Hunter College

    A state college for JAPs. With an interesting history:

    “Created by the New York State Legislature, Hunter was deemed the only approved institution for those seeking to teach in New York City.” (Wikipedia) It didn’t go coed until 1964!

    Rather he was a Jew in prewar Germany

    No, actually he lived and died in 1935 in Vienna, Austria, not in Germany.

    So he lived in pre-Anschluß Austria. The Wiener!

    …Slavs as “half animals.”

    “Paging Borat…”

    A tenured music theory professor, Professor Jackson was the grandson of Jewish émigrés and had lost many relatives in the Holocaust.

    Funny, the only other Jewish Jackson who comes to mind is Michael.

    accused Professor Jackson of failing to hew

    Now there’s a loaded term! Did he also refuse to draw water?

    …a traditional defense of untrammeled speech on campus competes with a newer view that speech itself can constitute violence.

    And its con/re/obverse, that violence itself can constitute speech. Wer/Wen .

    any language — including sign language and computer languages, for instance — is acceptable

    This fraud again. It was just a sneaky way for engineers to wiggle out of German. Or even Spanish. Studying computer language as a language is valid, perhaps, but only in a graduate linguistics program. Making Allowing undergrads to abuse it this way is similar to the Venn diagrams we New Math victims were fed in grade school a lifetime ago.

    As for Schenker, Professor Ewell argued that his racism informed his music theories…

    Takes one to know one.

  28. So basically, this proves blacks > jews in the oppression pyramid right now?

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    , @ATBOTL
  29. Thoughts says:

    I’m Ambivalent as to who to Defend Here

    Anyone who knows anything about Classical Music from the 1880s-WW1 knows that Jews (especially in Russia) were Profoundly Racist against Non-Jews at music schools

    I think (in the 1890s) the Moscow Music Conservatory was for non-Jews, and St. Petersberg Music Conservatory was For Jews (don’t quote me on this)…and the Jewish Teachers thought that simply by being Jewish the Students already had more Talent

    Ok so Maybe I choose defending the Black Dude

    However…my advice for the Jewish dude is this…

    Blacks are like liberal women. Everything they say is Purposefully incendiary in order to Purposefully drag you into a fight. You just have to ignore them.

    I don’t think the Jewish racism attitude is healthy and the black trying to pick a fight over everything attitude is healthy.

    Both groups are pretty much in the wrong. Separate playpens!

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  30. @Rockford Tyson

    Start listening at 0:55.

    I know something about you. You went to Cranbrook, that’s a private school.

  31. AnotherDad says: • Website
    @Whiskey

    Whites have two choices and only two choices. Be a slave. Or a master . That’s it. No other choice is possible.

    In some sort of broad manichaean sense, sure. Winning or losing.

    But there really is a third state–freedom, sanity.

    White people do not need to enslave blacks–nor anyone else–nor even boss them around. We simply need to be free to be white. To have our stuff and enjoy it as we like without apology.

    If whites are willing–and legally free–to just say f.u. to blacks whining about white privilege, to Jewish whining about Christmas (and all the other 783 things they whine about), to Mexicans or Chinese or Indians whining about whatever they whine about … and just go about our business, liking what we like, association with whom we like organically … then we are fine.

    Minorities can do their own thing–somewhat autonomously like the Amish or Orthodox Jews–or they can adapt to the dominant national culture or flat out integrate or flat out leave.

    There are really roughly three states:

    Real “white supremacy” — whites use state power to oppress minorities (which isn’t around anywhere anymore)

    Freedom/Normality/Majoritarianism — people associate as they see fit, ergo the nation’s majority people culture tends to dominate and does so without apology;

    Minoritarianism — minorities use state power to make demands upon/boss around the majority; whites effectively unfree, slaves to minorities

  32. @Steve Sailer

    Composers are, as a rule, not much influenced by musicologists.

  33. unit472 says:

    Been following what’s going on in Texas. 5 degrees in Dallas now and people have no heat or electricity. One woman said she can’t get her garage door open so she can warm up in her car! Another needs oxygen for his mother. This is going to be an epic disaster.

  34. @AnotherDad

    Nothing of value can survive minoritarianism.

    Not even a jewelry kiosk in a dying browning mall:

    Video inside Desert Sky Mall shows moments after shooting that killed 17-year-old boy

    Witnesses say an argument between a customer and a kiosk worker over a pair of shoes led to a deadly shooting at Desert Sky Mall Sunday.

    Two people were shot. Police say 17-year-old Alejandro Martinez was killed in the gunfire. A 20-year-old man was also shot, but he’s expected to survive. His name has not been released.

  35. If the Journal of Schenkerian Studies has (had?) only thirty paid subscribers, that says more about the journal than about the influence of Schenkerian music theory. One of the leading theory texts assigned in university music courses tells you, in its introduction, that it’s very much Schenkerian:

  36. David says:

    Off topic, it’s zero degrees fahrenheit now in Denton County, Texas, the location of North Texas University, and 47% of the households there have no electricity tonight. There is a serious disaster playing out tonight in Texas.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    , @Reg Cæsar
  37. This all is really ….out of control.

    Why on earth that NYT’s bizarre obsession with Beethoven & concert music? They all sound like Lucy van Pelt on steroids after Schroeder had dumped her for the umpteenth time.

    And this whole squabble about musicology, Schenker…is insane. Musicology is a type of theory, narrower than aesthetics & in some areas stricter. But, this is a humanistic “science”, not unlike literary theory, where you got tons of schools & ideas (and great names among British, Italian, American, German, Russian, Canadian, Spanish, French,…. scholars). It is all out there, criticize it, like it or not, there is no way to ascertain who is “right”, but…

    1. it is only white peoples who had developed serious scholarly apparatuses for evaluation & analysis of various forms of art, anywhere on earth. True, there exist historical Indian and Chinese schools of aesthetics, but they haven’t become global. Not because of some white conspiracy, but because even POC aestheticians found Western theories more thought-provoking, universal & interesting.

    2. as for Schenker’s ethnicity, there is no more Jewish musicology than there is Jewish physics.

    3. regarding Schenker’s personality & views on anything- who gives a damn? If he did something worthy, it is only this that matters, and not whether he tortured mice when he was a kid or engaged in coprophilia when adult. Who cares? Garcia Marquez was a third rate Castro fan & a first rate novelist. And only the latter matters.

    Esperanza Spalding? Why compare her with a classical composer?

    Why compare, say, Foster’s Prince Valiant with El Greco’s Toledo?

  38. any language — including sign language and computer languages, for instance — is acceptable

    What an idiot. The C language has a total vocabulary of 32 words (eg goto, for, if, return…known in the business askeywords). The rules of its grammar can be mastered in an afternoon. Java has about fifty keywords, with a more complex grammar that can still be learned, by a decent programmer, in a day or two.

    If you don’t know some German, you won’t even understand the performance indications in the pro editions of Beethoven’s music (eg Henle or Bahrenreiter). But maybe for Ewell that’s a feature, not a bug.

  39. @AnotherDad

    Nothing of value can survive minoritarianism.

    Exhibit B:

    Surveillance video captures crash: 13-year-old girl on joyride hits, kills two men in Escondido

    ESCONDIDO, Calif. — Surveillance video is giving us a closer look tonight at what led up to a tragic crash over the weekend that left two men dead. It happened Friday night at the intersection of Mission and Ash in Escondido where police said a 13-year-old girl from Vista was behind the wheel of the white Ford Explorer, with her juvenile friend in the passenger seat.

    The pair sped away from police during a traffic stop and crashed into two men who were sleeping in some bushes next to a block wall.

    The Escondido Police Department identified the two men as Mateo Salvador (33) and Sofio Sotelo Torres (51). At the time of the crash, they were believed to be living on the streets in Escondido. Officials have been unable to locate or identify any next of kin for the men at this point.

    The new O.J.! Vista will almost certainly show a Hispanic majority in the 2020 Census.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vista,_California#Demographics

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  40. Dumbo says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Normies.

    This is well-known and it’s more pronounced among Northern Europeans, who tend to be more trustful of authority (on average) than Southern and Eastern Europeans.

    I think you see it in the Covid phenomenon too. Whenever someone comments something contrary to the “majority perception” (or what’s engineered as being “majority”) you notice people don’t feel so comfortable. Well, neurotypicals. Us autists and Aspergers function in a different way. I at least never have problems exposing or reading about things that run contrary to majority perception.

  41. Dumbo says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    white Ford Explorer

    I don’t get it. Are the teens “hispanic” or white? Well, the care is white, so I guess this is a form of white supremacy too…

  42. Dumbo says:

    Is It Racist to Say That Beethoven Was Greater Than Esperanza Spalding?

    I don’t know if it’s racist, but it seems kinda silly. Who the hell is Esperanza Spalding?

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  43. Polistra says:
    @unit472

    One woman said she can’t get her garage door open so she can warm up in her car!

    Is this because she doesn’t have power? I hope someone told her how to use the manual pull. Also, how is this communication going on without power? People who don’t have generators should probably own power inverters at the least. Could save some lives–hook it up to the car and run heat, among other things.

    Mind you, I’m not making light of their troubles. It’s about as cold as I can remember seeing it in Texas and Oklahoma.

    Then there’s Minnesota, where they’re used to this sort of thing. A more effective suppression technique against ‘mostly-peaceful protests’ has yet to be devised.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Reg Cæsar
  44. notsaying says:

    Off Topic:

    This is truly unfortunate. How can cousins, etc. do that to someone they’ve known their whole lives? Politics is one thing but family is family. Plus I think everyone has the right to have their own opinions — you don’t have to go along with everything any party says.

    “GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger’s family DISOWNS him for opposing Trump: 11 relatives sign handwritten letter calling him a ‘disappointment to God and Lou Dobbs’ and a member of the ‘devil’s army’ after he backed impeachment”

    “[Cousin] Karen Otto told the Times that, in addition to sending the letter to Kinzinger, she also sent it to Republicans across Illinois, including other members of the state’s congressional delegation.

    ‘I wanted Adam to be shunned,’ she told the outlet of her reasoning.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9264005/Kinzinger-releases-letter-family-saying-joined-devils-army-backing-Trumps-impeachment.html

  45. @Bardon Kaldian

    regarding Schenker’s personality & views on anything- who gives a damn? If he did something worthy, it is only this that matters,

    That’s pretty much what Jackson says, in his response to Ewell. Schenker was a product of the German (ok, German-Austrian) culture of his time, which came with some harsh value judgements about other nations.

    Jackson’s counterattack, mentioning
    “the broader current of Black anti-Semitism”, “the pattern of violence against Jews”, and “the obnoxious lyrics of some hip-hop songs” shows the guy has a lot of guts. Tying that stuff specifically to Ewell’s attack on a Jewish figure takes off-the-charts guts. (And yet, labelling someone as racist for daring to contradict a black person on even the most trivial matter is now routine.)

    • Agree: bomag
  46. Polistra says:
    @International Jew

    If you don’t know some German, you won’t even understand the performance indications in the pro editions of Beethoven’s music (eg Henle or Bahrenreiter). But maybe for Ewell that’s a feature, not a bug.

    Yes; seeking to understand is the precise opposite of what the Woke Brigades are up to. More: they want to prevent others from understanding.

    • Agree: bomag
  47. notsaying says:
    @David

    In reading about their problems down there with their power grid, I got the impression a lot more people have electric heat there than they do in the northern states. So many don’t have lights or heat. God knows when it will be restored.

  48. @David

    Off topic, it’s zero degrees fahrenheit now in Denton County, Texas, the location of North Texas University, and 47% of the households there have no electricity tonight. There is a serious disaster playing out tonight in Texas.

    What To Do If Your Power and Heat Go Out in the Winter

    My cousin lives in Denton County. He grew up in the Snow Belt, and will get his neighbors through this. (We all went through it.) Sometimes snowbirds can be handy. Ice People, remember?

    It’s seventeen degrees colder than that here. We had a power surge Sunday morning which set off the fire alarms, and had to evacuate. But the power came right back on. It helps to prepare the infrastructure for a cold snap, even if they only come once or twice a decade.

    Don’t worry, Texas, global warming will return soon.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. @Charles St. Charles

    That’s Esperanza Spalding. Here’s her playing electric bass and singing at the same time..

    Like Jimi Hendrix? Not really. Ron Carter she ain’t. Bad hair too unless you’re attracted to steel wool.

  50. Steve, write something about anti-aging interventions. Some possibilities:
    1) Sirolimus
    2) Metformin
    3) Nicotinamide Riboside
    4) Trans-Resveratrol
    5) Metolazone
    6) Glutathione injections
    7) Epitalon
    8) BPC 157
    9) Thymalin
    10) Plastomitin (SKQ ion)

    • Agree: AceDeuce, Mark G.
  51. @notsaying

    “GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger’s family DISOWNS him for opposing Trump: 11 relatives sign handwritten letter calling him a ‘disappointment to God and Lou Dobbs’ and a member of the ‘devil’s army’ after he backed impeachment”

    “[Cousin] Karen Otto told the Times that, in addition to sending the letter to Kinzinger, she also sent it to Republicans across Illinois, including other members of the state’s congressional delegation.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  52. Polistra says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The NYT is careful to point out that a Jew is “the definition of the persecuted other.” Even though they know full well that blacks will take umbrage to this. And even though they know that Jews are unlikely to win this particular scuffle. But they know that Jews’ position in the larger society remains impregnable, so they can mix it up here and there, just for fun. Wagner said some things that Jews didn’t like, so I bet Beethoven did too.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  53. Anon55uu says:
    @notsaying

    Other than Steeler great “Mean” Joe Green, the music faculty is one of the things UNT is most known for. You can see through the many wikipedia pages about the various ensembles etc.

    The disappointing aspect of these flare ups is how serious all involved seem to be taking them. A more humorous re-creation with, say, Larry David as Professor Jackson (driving around the freeways of DFW in a Prius blaring Beethoven) and J.B. Smoove as Professor Ewell exchanging barbs via Zoom could make good television.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  54. Is It Racist to Say That Beethoven Was Greater Than Esperanza Spalding?

    It seems the question is bigger: “Is any dissent allowed?”

    And it seems the answer is “no”.

    • Agree: Cato, bomag
  55. @AnotherDad

    It’s fun to see black-Jewish cat fighting.

    It would be funner if they weren’t both directing their disproportionate firepower at “whiteness” aka white people.

    • Agree: Polistra
  56. neutral says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    there is no more Jewish musicology than there is Jewish physics.

    Incorrect, all art is determined by the underlying nature of the artist.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  57. Jon says:
    @AnotherDad

    But there really is a third state–freedom, sanity.

    Is? Was!

  58. @Anon

    “There is a tremendous incentive to find good music from the past. The cream rises to the top”

    In that case why isn’t Walter Leigh’s Concertino For Harpsichord And Strings better known?

  59. @Anon

    And cream is WHITE, CRACKER!

  60. @JohnnyWalker123

    Wow, that’s more than two year’s salary for Fauci, who at over $417,000 per annum is the federal government’s highest paid career bureaucrat, making more than the president. He spends his whole day giving interviews and making TV appearances where he espouses views that were erroneous early on, and now mostly “on the one hand this, on the other hand that” meaningless time-fillers now. But, damn, does he thrive on attention!

    BTW, can anyone still breathe with two masks on? One is bad enough for me.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  61. @El Dato

    Mr. Gelfand’s piece is very informative, if you know how to read between the lines, and it has little to do with brain differences. It perfectly describes the african preindustrial social structures that still exist there to this day –a major reason why nothing of crucial importance has ever come out of Africa. Rigid hierarchies, cryptic knowledge, distrust of outsiders, it’s all there.

    There’s literally nothing that can remain impercetible in the face of rigorous analysis, but Gelfand seems more interested in writing a journalistic chronicle than actually doing a proper study. And although he tiptoes around the abovementioned issues, he’s still scrutinised in the comments for mentioning child sacrifice (lol). As if no other human society had practiced human sacrifice in the past, only to grow out of it and retain it in its mythology.

  62. @notsaying

    “How can cousins, etc. do that to someone they’ve known their whole lives? Politics is one thing but family is family.”

    It’s happening much more on the other side – that girl who doxxed her own father for going to the Capitol is only one example.

    And the Guardian commentariat are very keen on it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/feb/11/my-father-has-developed-views-i-consider-hateful-we-cannot-continue-with-things-as-they-are

    This is probably the most idiotic comment (in a strong field). 95 recommends. Religion is alive and well, just replace “Satan” with “racist”.

    “That is abuse, he is abusing his position of power as a parent. Do not negotiate with your abuser. I have dealt with a similar situation with my now deceased father. The most telling insight I was given at the time was from a fellow participant in group therapy, “What would you do if this was someone you had only just recently met in a similar social situation? ”

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  63. Polistra says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    can anyone still breathe with two masks on? One is bad enough for me.

    That’s just your white privilege talking. And I have to hand it to Fauci, he’s really learned to milk the government-bureaucratic grift to a fare-thee-well. Imagine reaching the age of 80 and enjoying a second (third?) career peak, becoming richer and more famous than ever. Then the Israelis give you another million for ‘defending science’.

  64. @unit472

    It appears the city of Abilene has shut off their water plant.

  65. @Steve Sailer

    He sounds like a Woody Allen character. The profound Jewish genius…who thought other ethnic groups were monkeys!
    It doesnt matter,anyway,cuz Beethoven was BLACK!

  66. Polistra says:
    @El Dato

    Okay, you made me look. Some choice quotes:

    I thought that I’d been tapping out some harmless dance rhythms, when in fact I had been participating in a brief audio play about the ritual slaughter of children.

    Stop with the White Judgment dude! It’s okay when ‘they’ do it.

    “Very few know that; only those who move with the royals.”

    That’s just the African version of Democracy. They have theirs, we have ours. With time ours shall be like theirs. With time (and enough migration) every single thing we have shall be like theirs. Shall be theirs actually.

    the sheer intensity of our time there—we witnessed animal sacrifice and spirit possession

    You witnessed ritualized animal torture and primitive superstition.

    Comment: Show some respect. Be humbled by the fact that you just couldn’t get it.

    Finally, in the comments, a Voice of Reason. Be humbled, honky.

    Gelfand is Yiddish for “Elephant” so what is their problem in Ghana anyway? And why are they and other Africans productive at only one thing: making more Africans?

    • Thanks: bomag
  67. @Bardon Kaldian

    Why on earth that NYT’s bizarre obsession with Beethoven & concert music? They all sound like Lucy van Pelt on steroids after Schroeder had dumped her for the umpteenth time.

    They are heavily burdened by their desire to appear upper class metropolitan which in their minds means attending symphonies. This means listening to nearly all-White music (gasp) in the midst of other wealthy White people (double gasp). Symphonies and operas are where metropolitan Whites to go to feel affirmed.

    A lot of these articles decrying classical music are the modern equivalent to confession.

    Have you ever been to a jazz concert? Most of the White people in the audience look bored. This is even true for student concerts.

    The appeal of jazz to liberals is that it is a safe space where they can patronize Blacks. Liberals are uncomfortable with liking anything that is 99% White in origin.

    Hard rock and especially country are shunned in liberal circles. Liberals that like country will listen to it only in private. It’s really the forbidden music of their religion. The funny thing is that country concerts easily sell out in cities. All these White women show up from somewhere.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  68. @Wilkey

    To state that ice cream tastes any better than dog turds is to state that you have tasted all of the dog turds created in the past two hundred years, which no one has. Ice cream occupies the place it does because it has been propped up by whiteness for two hundred years.

    • LOL: Cato
    • Replies: @Wilkey
  69. Shmendrix says: • Website
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Sorry to disappoint you, but the actions of a private organization are no reflection on the people of a country. There is no “they” other than that organization.

  70. @International Jew

    Generations of Chinese geologists and Japanese physicians have had no problem learning an inherently racist language (no way around Richthofen and Semmelweis);
    at least they didn´t bitch about it.

    The absence of remedial English in the proscription list is conspicuous 😛

    At least in certain STEM fields a trend reversal is noticeable – no way around Russian and Japanese, and Chinese is gathering steam (no doubt in musicology also);
    but somehow I doubt much musicological has been published in sign language 😀

  71. @YetAnotherAnon

    This is probably the most idiotic comment (in a strong field). 95 recommends. Religion is alive and well, just replace “Satan” with “racist”.

    And heretic with anti-science.

    From that article: We keep losing people to systems of belief that deny the very premises we try to use to bring them back; premises like “scientific evidence is admissible and persuasive”.

    You actually have the opposite problem. You keep losing people because your belief system only pretends to value science and people that do their own research quickly learn that these mainstream media outlets are lying to the public about race. Liberalism has backed itself into a corner where it tries to believe that race doesn’t exist and all contrary opinion must be oppressed in the name of science. It makes more sense to accept that some racial differences exist at a biological level and then build your ideals of equality on principle. But liberalism has already decreed itself to be correct on all levels and has no choice but to slowly take us to a 1984 style world with thought police.

    Note that the woman never stated the views of her father and yet both agree he is deeply anti-science.

  72. I wonder if Jews will ever realize that blacks hate them just as much as they hate white gentiles?

    • Replies: @neutral
  73. Dumbo says:

    Whatever. White people shouldn’t be doing “rap” anyway. Leave it to blacks, I say. Actually, not even to blacks. Blacks are better singing old jazz tunes or gospel songs. Rap is odious.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  74. El Dato says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Brain damage and retardation: an equal opportunity affliction.

    Meanwhile, the UK’s effort at keeping the universities actually tolerant is immediately met by slapstick comedy:

    UK government launches plan to fight ‘unacceptable silencing’ in UK universities

    The new measures could force universities to accept a free speech condition if they want to receive government funding, require student unions to guarantee that their members and any guest speakers are entitled to lawful free speech, see institutions that fail to protect free speech face fines and allow speakers who are denied a platform or academics who are dismissed to seek compensation in court.

    Toook only four years or so.

    A 2018 report from the UK’s Joint Committee on Human Rights supported Williamson’s concerns, as it found numerous examples of censorship and debates being shut down…

    Now for the funny part:

    But, the new measures have received a critical response from some in the education sector, as they see the move as unnecessary, believing that concerns about censorship are overblown and there are bigger issues that need to be addressed, particularly given the challenges facing the industry during the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The coof is as useful as anti-terror legislation. Use it for anything!

    Now for the funny part:

    “There is no evidence of a freedom of expression crisis on campus,” the vice president for Higher Education at the National Union of Students, Hillary Gyebi-Ababio, said opposing Williamson’s proposals, claiming institutions are “constantly taking positive steps to help facilitate the thousands of events that take place each year.”

    I’m sure that this is so, Miss Ababio,

    “We are constantly taking positive steps to help facilitate the thousands of events that take place each year.”
    “Censorship. It’s called censorhip”
    “Thank you. But I prefer my circumlocution.”

  75. @Steve Sailer

    Furtwangler thought him brilliant, but did any composers find Schencker useful in composing great new stuff?

    Schenker’s work – and that of most classical music theorists – is more descriptive than prescriptive. His aim was to discover the patterns that lie beneath the surface complexity of great classical music. “Music Theory” is an odd term to begin with, growing out of 18th Century German music academics’ desire to elevate what they do to a “science” in the old great German universities. “Musical Analysis” would probably be more accurate, but we’re stuck with the old term.

    Music Theory isn’t about telling composers how to make great music, it’s more about understanding and explaining what makes their music great, after the fact.

  76. Gordo says:
    @AnotherDad

    There are really roughly three states:

    Real “white supremacy” — whites use state power to oppress minorities (which isn’t around anywhere anymore)

    Freedom/Normality/Majoritarianism — people associate as they see fit, ergo the nation’s majority people culture tends to dominate and does so without apology;

    Minoritarianism — minorities use state power to make demands upon/boss around the majority; whites effectively unfree, slaves to minorities

    Separation.

  77. Shmendrix says:
    @Anonymouse

    This clip was arguably the peak of her career. Too bad she decided to pursue jazz “cred” as opposed to commercial popularity.

  78. @Shmendrix

    You are of course correct about that, but the logic of many people here is that all Jews are responsible for what any Jew has said or done anytime anywhere. You might say it’s a perverse interpretation of
    כל ישראל ערבים זה בזה

  79. Anon7 says:

    I’m fascinated by the idea of a “white “witness protection program””, because prominent white intellectuals are going to need to disappear into our future (not to mention present) brown America.

    But wouldn’t a “white “witness protection program”” be blackface?

    We are stuck, aren’t we.

  80. @Dumbo

    White people shouldn’t be doing “rap” anyway. Leave it to blacks, I say.

    Agreed.

    Rap turns White teenagers into total morons.

    All teenagers are idiots to some degree but rap encourages an anti-social mentality so destructive that it is self-defeating. Even people trying to help you are just “the system” trying to hold down your newfound urban identity.

    It also encourages anti-rational economic thinking. Everyone is one step away from becoming rich.

    We had a local White teen try to become a rap star and was using drugs in the videos to build his cred. He was of small stature and wanted to appear tough. He had a couple hits on youtube which further encouraged him.

    Then he overdosed.

    No dad around of course and the mom is a total nitwit. It sounded like she was hoping he would get rich from his drug videos.

  81. @Charles St. Charles

    So it’s like a school of literary criticism, like F.R. Leavis’ or the Southern Fugitives.

  82. @John Johnson

    Liberals that like country will listen to it only in private.

    Let’s toast to that

  83. @Polistra

    The NYT is careful to point out that a Jew is “the definition of the persecuted other.”

    That’s Jackson. He probably sincerely believes it (a Jewish myopia stemming from trying too hard at the suffering Olympiad Marathon); and then, he could have used this as a shield in order to attack black anti-white (-Jewish) racism.

  84. Arclight says:

    Latest outrage du jour is the Indianapolis Museum of Art posting a job description in which they state that part of the mission is to retain the institution’s core white audience while expanding its outreach to others. Now there is a petition with over 750 names demanding the head of the IMA resign.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/14/indianapolis-museum-of-art-at-newfields-white-art-audience-job-listing

  85. Cortes says:

    Some of Shankar’s most memorable work was done with Harrison:

  86. @neutral

    Musicology & physics are not arts.

    One could argue about what is a Jewish art (visual, literary,….)- but this is not the question. Then, an artist is, doubtless, highly influenced by her/his culture. Just, in the case of Jews, who are highly atypical in past 150-200 years of their artistic endeavor, things are rather complex….

    Regarding a literary culture, a good book to start with is:

  87. He [Prof. Jackson] wrote that such phenomena “currently manifest themselves in myriad ways, including the pattern of violence against Jews, the obnoxious lyrics of some hip-hop songs, etc.”

    Well, Professor Jackson, what ethnic group puts its money and marketing influence behind the promotion of hip-hop songs with obnoxious lyrics?

  88. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You have to be reasonably productive, with a lot of consistently good work. Leigh is more in the Edgar Elgar or George Gershwin class, known for a few specific works. Paying the rent often gets in the way, teaching gigs or the musical equivalent of good novelists going to Hollywood.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @baythoven
  89. neutral says:
    @Joe Walker

    I wonder if Jews will ever realize that blacks hate them just as much as they hate white gentiles?

    Similar to that, I wonder if blacks will ever realize that jews are not white.

  90. Altai says:

    the definition of the persecuted other.

    I wouldn’t call a Jewish man living in Vienna in the late 18th and early 19th century ‘persecuted’, quite the opposite actually.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  91. Abe says:

    Having no musical ability, I am pig-ignorant about music theory. I’d never heard of Herr Schenker

    Steve, I heartily recommend (HEARTILY) watching Rick Beato’s videos on YOUTUBE, then. Rick is a musician, music professor, producer. The fact that he was not hugely financially successful at any of these and has to schlep t-shirts and mugs on YOUTUBE now is our great fortune as his videos are awesome. They run the gamut from dry music theory whiteboard sessions (and, yes, sometimes you are in a mood to try and tackle those) to fun top 10-lists with great taste and zero musical theory nutritional content. A good in-between is his WHAT MAKES THIS SONG GREAT series where popular songs you already know are broken down into their pieces (stems) and analyzed. You really start to pick up music theory there, as the examples used are songs you know well enough already to hum in your head and the music theory constructs discussed (Aeolian mode, dissonant notes, chromatic scales) are so common the repeated examples of these in the series really help the lessons sink in.

    Again, cannot recommend more highly-

    • Agree: Frank McGar, JMcG, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  92. theMann says:

    Every now and then I peruse the hilarious subreddit Am I the asshole?…..

    Short answer, YES. I mean, the sheer hilarity of some of the scenarios is a day’s worth of entertainment.

    Well, is it Racist? is the flip side of that. The answer is NO, and the question is usually absurd. At some point, you have to develop the skill to tell people TO THEIR FACE “hey, you are a moron, a liar, a coward”. Learn to do so, it is very liberating.

  93. George says:

    Beethoven, he wrote, “has been propped up by whiteness and maleness for 200 years.”

    It’s nice to see someone cares enough to comment about Beethoven. But this is an old story, and not the first time someone used commenting on Beethoven to further their own carrier.

    You know my temperature’s risin’
    The jukebox’s blowin’ a fuse
    My heart beatin’ rhythm
    And my soul keep-a singing the blues
    Roll over Beethoven
    And tell Tchaikovsky the news
    I got the rockin’ pneumonia
    I need a shot of rhythm and blues – Chuck Berry

    I vaguely remember a controversy about residuals being paid to Black artists, by Chess records, among other promoters. But now I search the net for it and the controversy has disappeared.

    Also interesting to me is how back in the day joking about virus pandemics was considered fair game. This is the second reference to the Rockn pneumonia, around the time of the Asian flu, in a chart topping song I can find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockin%27_Pneumonia_and_the_Boogie_Woogie_Flu

  94. Jack D says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    I know Spalding only from a PBS promo that she appeared in. In addition to her Afro and cafe au lait pigmentation, I’d say another advantage is that she is a cute girl and unlike many African-Americans, her default facial expression is a pleasant smile instead of an angry scowl. When she is up on stage, she looks genuinely happy to be there, or at least is faking it really well. I think if you take away all that her music by itself is nothing special, but a popular artist always consists of a whole package and not just the music alone.

  95. @Anonymouse

    Nicholas Bruhns (RIP 1697, age 31) was one of those talented White people who could do multiple things at the same time. Johann Mattheson notes:

    Sometimes he took his violin up to the organ loft and played with such skill that it sounded like two, three or more instruments at once. Thus he would realize the upper parts on the violin while his feet played an appropriate bass on the pedals

    While possessing a remarkable talent, very little of his masterworks survives: a handful of organ pieces and a dozen vocal works. We don’t know what he looked like as there are no contemporary portraits.

    But, some still try the art:

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  96. Half-blacks have much prettier hair
    than Africans; does that seem fair?
    It’s more curly than kinky,
    without any stinky
    chemicals used in its care.

    Esperanza Spalding and her mother.

  97. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Cant accept that personally obviously. US gov employee.

  98. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    It’s seventeen degrees colder than that here.

    And in Yakutsk it’s currently 20° colder than where you are.

    This is an amazing documentary on school kids in Oymyakon, Siberia. The average winter temperature is -40° C. They only cancel school when it gets below -54° C (-65° F) because it’s too cold even for these kids to trudge through the snow long walk to school.

  99. @Steve Sailer

    Yes. In the sense that literary critics don’t aim, as far I understand, to instruct writers in how they should write, but rather to examine and explain great writing, or at least appear to be clever.

    However, music theory is different is a way, because, while the literary critic is using words to talk about other words, the music theorist must use words to describe abstract constructions of sounds – often very complex constructions that evoke intense emotional responses – why? It’s a difficult undertaking and musicians and composers often question the point of it all – we all have heard the “talking about music is like dancing about architecture” quip.

    Most “music writers” today do not write about music very much at all – they write about lyrics (words), fashion, style, ideology, politics, celebrity, biography – things that are easier to put into words. Still, some music theorists deal with popular music as music, not just as a cultural or political artifact. Here’s an academic paper applying some math and physics to the opening chord of The Beatles’ “A Hard Day’s Night”.

    https://www.mscs.dal.ca/~brown/n-oct04-harddayjib.pdf

    I don’t see any real harm any of these people are doing, but no obscure corner must be safe from the haters of Western Culture, I guess.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  100. @neutral

    Similar to that, I wonder if blacks will ever realize that jews are not white.

    They are not Black, and that’s all that matters. Other than Koreans, Black are generally the most racist people I have met in all my travels – Whites don’t even come close.

    BTW, I don’t fault the Koreans for their feeling of superiority, at least they’ve done something to justify it. Same with the Japanese and Chinese. What had Sub-Saharan Blacks done exactly, scientifically or culturally, up to the point where the rest of the world took an interest in them and their continent? It’s like the whole bunch of them have built in Dunning-Kruger, along with their increased rates of violent psychopathy. Not a good combo.

    • Agree: Joe Walker
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    , @Anonymous
  101. Jack D says:
    @Altai

    First of all Schenker lived in the late 19th and early 20th century. He died in 1935, too soon to see the Nazis take over Vienna, but his wife survived him only to die in the camps a few years later. Surely if he had not died of natural causes first (he was only 66) he would have shared her fate.

    Second, even before the Nazi period, Vienna had a rich and lively tradition of anti-Semitism. Austrians were among the most enthusiastic supporters of Hitler – they didn’t become anti-Semites overnight after the Anschluß. Austria was fertile soil for Nazi ideology. Karl Lueger, who was the mayor of Vienna in the early 20th century, ran on an anti-Semitic platform that was a successful ploy to gather popular support. I say ploy because once in office he did very little (thank God) to actually implement anti-Semitic policies and even had a lot of Jewish friends. But the point is that making anti-Semitic noises was a proven vote gatherer in Vienna (and one that did not fall outside the pale of respectable discourse – I’ll say one thing for Hitler: he made all forms of anti-Semitism disreputable so it’s no longer possible to be a “polite” anti-Semite, at least not publicly).

    It’s true that the Jews of Vienna also thrived before the arrival of the Nazis despite the anti-Semitism but that does not negate the fact that anti-Semitism had always existed.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    , @Hunsdon
    , @peterike
  102. @Charles St. Charles

    “Most “music writers” today do not write about music very much at all – they write about lyrics (words), fashion, style, ideology, politics, celebrity, biography – things that are easier to put into words.”

    That was my complaint that launched me on being a college rock critic: that the review in the Rice “Thresher” of Talking Heads’ “More Songs About Buildings and Food” was all about the lyrics, but what was really interesting about Talking Heads was the music. So that got me hired for the job.

    On the other hand, the above seems like a good description of my movie reviewing approach. My review of “The Hurt Locker” was a rare example of me writing at length about the director’s choice of different lenses and the like. My general approach to movie reviewing is how to add value by making the movie more interesting.

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
  103. Really proud of these kids and the University for toppling this fellow and his journal. I used to be the Confucius Institute program consultant for UNT 2 years ago before I was re-assigned to a teaching role back in Dalian. I learned the other night that my replacement there helped organize the letter among the grad students.

    Prof. Jackson was not limited in his purview to simply music. He was among 50 or so academics who protested in a letter to the idea of a Confucius Institute opening on campus a decade ago. He was one of the last who was remained. The CI kept a list. Hopefully he will be barred from future employment for his sinophobic views as well as his inability to meet the educational needs of his students.

  104. Last April he fired a broadside at Beethoven, writing that it would be academically irresponsible to call him more than an “above average” composer. Beethoven, he wrote, “has been propped up by whiteness and maleness for 200 years.”

    Chuck Berry already said this, “Roll over Beethoven, give Tchaikovsky the news!”

  105. I had never heard of her ( I suspect Grammy winning jazz albums sell in hundreds not milions ) but a quick look at wiki reveals grammy awards, honorary ( aka unearned ) doctorates and a professorship at Harvard….nasty old establishment never done trying to keep that girl down!!

    As for better than Beethoven…check out Nasim Taleb’s notion of the Lindy Effect – time is the only truth-teller. If she is being listened to globally 200 years into the future then she rates mention in the same page as Beethoven

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  106. @Steve Sailer

    It is much more formal & has some similarities with Russian formalism (Bakhtin etc.), although even this is not an apt analogy.
    Musicology is a subject one studies when studying anything seriously musical at the academy; it deals with harmony, rhythm, counter-point etc., illustrated by works of great composers. By now, musicology has branched into numerous areas, more or less formalized and/or ideologized. It is a set of complex fields not for lazy minds.

    So, it is narrower & more technical than musical aesthetics. Musicology could be compared to, say, a rather technical field like cognitive linguistics or etymological linguistics; musical aesthetics has more to do with culture, so it has some resemblance to classical or oriental philology.

    So, musicology is more “scientific” than literary theory & I think the best analogue would be linguistics, as different from philology.

  107. @Anon

    While I’m quite the ignoramus on music theory, the description of Schenkerian analysis sounds a lot like Chomsky’s theory of generative grammar, with deep structures and surface manifestations.

    But, as with Chomsky, the question seems to be, how much of the deep structure is real, and how much an ornate illusion?

    For an outsider, both seem a bit, well, Talmudic.

  108. It seems that university music departments must be among the most intellectually diverse on campus, with some whose ideal is to think about music the way Newton and Einstein thought about gravity, and others who would prefer to deal with music the way Michael Jordan dealt with gravity.

  109. fish says:
    @International Jew

    You are of course correct about that, but the logic of many people here is that all Jews are responsible for what any Jew has said or done anytime anywhere. You might say it’s a perverse interpretation of
    כל ישראל ערבים זה בזה

    You are of course correct about that, but the logic of many Jews is that all Whites are responsible for what any individual white person has said or done anytime anywhere. You might say it’s a perverse interpretation of 🍔🍕❤️🐕🎂📆📌🔐

    (Still wish you’d stuck with the “Hebrew National” handle)

    • Replies: @International Jew
  110. Possumman says:
    @Anonymouse

    Random noodling—Jerry Garcia did it better!

  111. Cortes says:

    Jaded NYC composer and musicologist decided to “go up the river” (Amazon?) with a girlfriend in Alejo Carpentier’s 1953 novel

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59503.The_Lost_Steps#other_reviews

    in search of…something.

    A marvellous book. (Don’t sue if you hate it)

  112. Jack D says:

    Despite the fact that Schenker’s Jewishness has now dragged him into a Black vs. Jew drama (which is amusing given that during his lifetime in Vienna the number of blacks that he ever saw could probably be counted on the fingers of one hand) in a way it is fortunate for his theories.

    Yes, as far as blacks are concerned, Jews are just hateful white people, maybe even worse than other white people, but in the broader realm of academia, Schenker’s non-Naziness still affords him some ideological protection, at least for the time being. If Schenker had been a German Christian and especially if he had Nazi affiliations, you could say bye-bye to his theories and his journal. They would have to be smashed as surely as any Confederate statue. Everyone in academia, black and white, would have agreed that a racist Nazi Schenker had to go, but a Jewish Schenker is still a marginal question. Blacks and the most Leftist whites will (and have) come out against him, but there are still defenders remaining on the other side, whereas the theories of a Nazi Schenker (even if identical to those of the real Schenker) would be without a friend in the world today. The balance may have tipped so that even the real (Jewish) Schenker has to go, but at least there was still an argument to be had.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  113. @candid_observer

    Maybe cabalistic is the better word here.

  114. @Jack D

    Nazis are still widely read in the halls of Chinese academia, and I suspect when the civilizational torch passes, they will get a much fairer hearing. Pity that most current day Nazis can’t read Mandarin — or English for that matter.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @Jack D
  115. @Dumbo

    Esperanza Spalding sounds like one of those funny names Woody Allen used to use for his characters, like “Fielding Mellish” in Bananas.

  116. @Intensifier

    Of all the artists in history, who are the most obviously great? Beethoven, Michelangelo, and Bernini would seem to be at the top of the list. Even Mozart takes a while to notice, but questioning Beethoven?

  117. @Charles St. Charles

    Wasn’t it our own Whiskey who famously observed some years ago, “Black culture’s fatal flaw: toxic levels of self-esteem mixed with manifest incompetence and lack of any driving fear of failure or doubt.”

    • Agree: Charles St. Charles
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  118. Mr. Hack says:

    I don’t know what the hub bub is really all about? I work out of my home on a computer and therefore can avail myself of listening to music almost all day long. I start the day with listening to the softer side of classical and perhaps some new age music. By the afternoon, I switch over to pop and jazz sounds. I like and listen to a wide variety of music and try to match what I’m listening to, to my mood and the time of day. Beethoven’s 9th about 11:00 am and Esperanza Spalding about 3:00 in the afternoon. She’s no Beethoven, but she’s quite good. She has a vivid imagination, that’s for sure.

    Didn’t Lawrence Welk teach us all that when it comes to music, variety is the spice of life. 🙂

  119. Prof Ewell says:

    To state that Beethoven was any more than, say, above average as a composer is to state that you know all music written on planet earth 200 years ago when Beethoven was active as a composer, which no one does.

    This view reminds me of the scene in the film Napoleon Dynamite, where Napoleon and his older brother Kip are watching Uncle Rico’s home movies of himself throwing a football. Napoleon says, “This is pretty much the worst video ever made!” to which Kip replies, “Like anyone can even know that.”

  120. @the one they call Desanex

    Philip “Frecklepuss” Ewell looks at least half white himself.

  121. Wilkey says:
    @Herp McDerp

    Well to be fair, Africans have created a decent number of nice tasting dog turds, musically speaking.

    The interesting thing, though, is that despite all the praise for African music, the only African music with much sustained appeal globally is music created by Africans who have had extensive contact with the West – jazz, gospel, R&B and rap all evolved in the United States, and rely on Western instruments for their accompaniment. Reggae and calypso both developed in current or former colonies of Europe, and reggae was heavily influenced by jazz.

    Occasionally you’ll get some Out of Africa music fad that lights up the charts for a hot minute. My very musical older sister was briefly into this, and had albums by Paul Simon (a Jewish white guy) and Johnny Clegg (another Jewish white guy) and Ladysmith Black Mambazo that all tapped into this in the mid-80s. It was not unappealing music by any means. Later on in the 90s, The Lion King (the stage musical, not the film) briefly tapped into that fad again, and produced one or two pretty good tunes. But the odds of going anywhere these days and hearing anything from Clegg, LBM, or Paul Simon’s “Graceland” – or any genuine African music at all – pretty much approaches zero. In fact pick any single one of Beethoven’s most popular pieces (Fur Elise, Moonlight Sonata, Ode to Joy, and a number of others) and you have a better chance of hearing that one piece than of hearing anything straight from Africa.

    And that’s the reality. There are innumerable popular styles of “white music” that evolved without much input from black/African music – classical and opera chief among them – but scant few (if any) popular forms of black music that did.

    And the appeal of these various forms of music isn’t racially motivated. Obviously people’s musical taste is shaped by our environment, to some degree, which is why we all tend to like the music that was popular when we were in our teens, but mostly people like what they like. People listen to a lot of music, and the don’t spend 70-80-90 years listening to music simply to make a racial point. They listen to it because they think it is good. And Beethoven and the other great classical composers aren’t good – they are phenomenally good.

    • Agree: Charles St. Charles
    • Replies: @CasperKoch
    , @James O'Meara
  122. “The concept of envy — the hatred of the superior — has dropped out of our moral vocabulary. The idea that white Christian civilization is hated more for its virtues than its sins doesn’t occur to us, because it’s not a nice idea. Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of western power long after colonialism, imperialism and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. Superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call ‘minorities.’” — Joseph Sobran (April 1997)

    The above quote from Joseph Sobran seems to validate Professor Ewell’s opinion of the superiority of “whiteness”. It also exposes Professor Ewell’s hidden inadequacy and motivations.

    The fact that a failed Jewish composer, passing as white, got caught up in this argument is just a bit humorous.

    • Thanks: Charles St. Charles
    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  123. Bill B. says:
    @Jack D

    Good book on Vienna as the Nazis move in, if you can find it.

  124. Wilkey says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Nazis are still widely read in the halls of Chinese academia, and I suspect when the civilizational torch passes, they will get a much fairer hearing.

    Or as I like to say, the problem isn’t Nazism, per se. The problem is that real Nazism has never been tried.

  125. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    Korea had a development level of Ghana pre Pax American Asia famously.

    It will rapidly vassalize as Hiong Kong once US occupation and power in the region broadly becomes less affordable to the largest debtor nation in world history.

    Increasingly most US citizens, a full majority, could not find korea on a map nor give any rationalization for squandering billions every year to occupy and defend it.

    • Replies: @Charles St. Charles
  126. @International Jew

    My daughter is learning to sing some arias right now and is discovering that she’s also learning lots of German and Italian.

    How do you learn any music if you resist Italian?

  127. @Shmendrix

    Jeez, you guys never quit. The jig is up. We know about the con. Your comment is insulting. I’ll admit that the vast, vast majority of whites don’t deserve your respect – and thus honesty – but you could at least show it to folks around here.

  128. @International Jew

    In multi-racial societies, there is no individualism, only tribe. Your cousins wanted this for the United States, and they got it. Stop complaining.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  129. People who say no-one is better than anyone else think that they’re better for saying it.

  130. Definitely racist. Everyone knows that its racist to like Beethoven. Racist, racist, racist. Say it 3-5 times fast every day, or whenever faced with a crisis to help protect vs. evil people (e.g. Trump supporters) and the magic word will work like a charm.

    Racist, racist, racist…

    Toy boat, toy boat, toy boat…

  131. Bert says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    Esperanto Spalding is a tedious listen.

    To say the least.

    Compare Spalding to an uneducated, self-taught, innovative Brasileira from the last century who was listed by Rolling Stone as among the 100 best guitarists. Or compare Spalding to Joseph Spence. Happy music is my preference.

  132. @Supply and Demand

    A quick typo correction, “against”, not “to”. A night at the biergarten is showing itself.

  133. Jack D says:
    @neutral

    This is called “the narcissism of small differences”. To a black or a Martian it’s bloody obvious that Jews ARE white. But to a (Christian or Jewish) ethnic chauvinist, they say, no, no, no can’t you see, Jews are NOTHING like white people because insignificant detail X is different.

    The funny thing is that as being white becomes a bad thing in America, more and more Jews are going to agree with you and your fellow anti-Semites – they are going to take being classified as “not white” as a compliment. Go ahead, Brer Fox and throw me into that briar patch.

    • Replies: @Fallmerayer's Bane
  134. @Anon

    In Leigh’s case his productivity was terminated with extreme prejudice by the Afrika Korps at Tobruk in 1942. He was 36.

  135. Bill B. says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Charles Murray made lists of the ‘giants’ of art, music, painting and literature in Western, Chinese, Indian, Japanese and Arabic civilizations in his book Human Accomplishment.

    This seems the way to go: each civilization has its own “giants”. The root problem here is that Prof Ewell’s civilization was not able to support a list.

  136. Jack D says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Your cousins wanted this

    This is hilarious – someone points out how people hold individual Jews responsible for the actions of other Jews and your counter is to hold an individual Jew responsible for the actions of other Jews.

  137. BenjaminL says:

    Note that this NYT article is actually fairly objective and tries to present both sides. That’s because it is written by Michael Powell, one of the vanishingly few NYT writers who is quietly not completely on board with the Revolution.

    If you follow Powell on Twitter, you’ll see that he is a quiet skeptic of The Narrative. I hope this comment doesn’t get him cancelled.

    Another NYT dissident, Nellie Bowles, just announced that she is going on leave from the paper to convert to Judaism out of love for her partner, fellow badthinker Bari Weiss.

    Here’s how the NYT is trying to handle its internal dissidents (emphasis added):

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/inside-the-new-york-times-heated-reckoning-with-itself.html

    [MORE]

    The Times was trying to handle various topics with extra care. Several reporters pointed me to an unusual arrangement in which Carolyn Ryan, one of the paper’s four deputy managing editors, was now editing a trio of reporters that Times journalist described as sharing an impulse toward “poking the bear.” The group included Ben Smith, the paper’s flame-throwing media columnist, and Michael Powell, a 13-year Times veteran who transitioned this year from sports to covering “free speech and identity politics.” Powell was one of the few Times employees who spoke out publicly in favor of publishing the Cotton op-ed in the name of presenting a diverse range of perspectives; his new role included a story about epidemiologists grappling with their willingness to look past the virus-spreading potential of Black Lives Matter protests, and another about the suddenly commonplace deployment of the phrase white supremacy. “It’s constructed as a bit of a third-rail beat,” Powell told me. “I do believe we are hostage to a lot of polarized orthodoxies, and in some way, the New York Times has to be able to address that.”

    Ryan was also editing a few stories written by Nellie Bowles, a business reporter with a well-deserved reputation as a dry chronicler of the excessive inanities of Silicon Valley who had veered off her beat this summer to report several pieces that complicated the progressive narrative about the Black Lives Matter protests. One took a critical look at the police-free autonomous zone activists had established in Seattle, and the other followed a group of masked, mostly white protesters who may or may not have been antifa members protesting in suburban Portland. Some of Bowles’s colleagues looked at her reporting skeptically, in part, they told me, because of her relationship with Bari Weiss. The accusation was that Bowles’s reporting had become tinged with her partner’s ideology. One day this summer, a masthead editor was dispatched to deal with a problem that would have been confounding to Abe Rosenthal. Taylor Lorenz, a reporter in the “Styles” section, had tweeted a Bloomberg story about the Seattle autonomous zone that appeared to be a subtweet of Bowles, who had published her own story on the subject a day earlier. A Twitter account with the name 🔥 Burn 🔥 the 🔥 Witches 🔥 had flagged the tweet — “Here comes Taylor with the passive aggressive shot at @NellieBowles” — and Lorenz was asked to apologize to Bowles and respond to 🔥 Burn 🔥 the 🔥 Witches 🔥, assuring an account with 15 followers that there wasn’t any dissension in the ranks of the New York Times.

    Ryan’s involvement with the three writers was unusual for an editor on the masthead, an acknowledgment that certain topics required an extra level of supervision to get right.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Jack D
  138. “I’m educated in the tradition that says the best response to bad speech is more speech,” said Professor Edward Klorman of McGill University. “But sometimes the traditional idea of free speech comes into conflict with safety and inclusivity.”

    You always hear people condemn the use of “whataboutism” in debates or arguments — but has anyone yet coined “ontheonehandthisbutontheotherhandthatism?” I mean, they needed to go all the way to Canada to get this deeply insightful and trenchant quote?

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  139. Hunsdon says:
    @Jack D

    Jack, I assume you used “outside the pale” knowingly. Otherwise I’ll be sad!

    • Replies: @Jack D
  140. @Steve Sailer

    That was my complaint that launched me on being a college rock critic: that the review in the Rice “Thresher” of Talking Heads’ “More Songs About Buildings and Food” was all about the lyrics, but what was really interesting about Talking Heads was the music.

    I think this explains, in part, the leftie White music writers’ enthrallment to rap and hip-hop – all words, thick with words – even though a good portion of those words are repetitions of “n*****”. And very little to analyze musically. No pesky chords and melodies.

    Plus they get to display their solidarity with the black underclass.

    I think this also explains part of the appeal (for leftie music writers) of Bob Dylan’s songs – words, words, words, verse after verse – over three chords strummed simply on an acoustic guitar – a writer’s dream music.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  141. Jack D says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Nazis are still widely read in the halls of Chinese academia,

    This is just plain false. Chinese academics have no interest in Nazi ideology. On the man on the street level, Hitler doesn’t have quite the same reputation as he has in the West – he sort of occupies the same position as Stalin does among the Russian masses – he was a strong leader who got things done! But the Chinese man on the street also has a favorable view of Jews as people who are good at money making and who educate their children. They don’t associate Hitler with anti-Semitism but with strong man rule which they favor.

    Hitler is admired for his strongman qualities not just in China but also in India and in other Asian countries. But none of this admiration is at the academic level – it’s all at the level of the ignorant masses.

  142. @DextersLabRat

    How did it turn out for Ilhan Omar when tangible Zionist interests and not this nonsense was at stake?
    What would happen if the author of the article called Schenker a Jewish supremacist (which he was) instead of describing him as white?

  143. @Jack D

    This is just plain false. Chinese academics have no interest in Nazi ideology

    The previous commenter is almost certainly referring to this.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/12/nazi-china-communists-carl-schmitt/617237/

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  144. @candid_observer

    It is a problem with linguistics as such. The greatest linguists (de Saussure, Jakobson, Trubetzkoy, Chomsky, Hjelmslev,…) have doubtless vastly enhanced our knowledge of languages. They offered numerous insights & created theories that enriched our understanding of the language phenomenon.

    Also, much of their work is experimentally corroborated by study of developmental psychology, aphasia, brain scan & other multidisciplinary fields. The greatest linguist of all is, I think, Roman Jakobson, although Chomsky’s work has had more practical applications.

    Be as it may, linguistics is a science, more exact than, say, art history or economics.

  145. @BenjaminL

    Another NYT dissident, Nellie Bowles, just announced that she is going on leave from the paper to convert to Judaism out of love for her partner, fellow badthinker Bari Weiss.

    Huh?

    These two are…. women. Evidently, my mind still belongs to the 19th C ….

  146. anon[466] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Dude, that’s yet another troll account, like Plywood. Might even be a bot.

    FYI.

  147. @Supply and Demand

    So you are a sleeper agent for Red China? Useful to know. Every Chinese student it professor in the US is a party member and spy. Fits right in with our being a state school “teacher.”

  148. All this talk of whiteness and maleness and I started to think of other -nesses. Is there a baldness supremacy? Fatness or thinness?

    Orwell talked about adding suffixes to words to simplify the totalitarian language of Newspeak. While I think he said -wise was one of them, now -ness is where we are going.

  149. @Jack D

    Um. Did you read my comment? Of course, I’m holding individual Jews responsible for the actions of other Jews.

    We live in a multi-everything society. In such a society, individualism only exists within groups, not between groups. It’s akin to war. Your uniform is your skin color (or ethnicity). If members of your tribe dick with my tribe, you’re all held accountable.

    Individualism exists in homogeneous societies. We no longer have that (thanks in no small part to your cousins). Sides are being choosen. Obviously, you have your team. Whites are splitting into various teams as we speak.

    The future is tribal. Your side no longer will have that field to yourself. (You can even see it in the comments here. The colorblind CivNat/Citizenism talk isn’t just fading, it’s mocked and derided as the joke that it is. The same holds true for your compatriots’ “my fellow whites” schtick.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
  150. @Supply and Demand

    He was among 50 or so academics who protested in a letter to the idea of a Confucius Institute opening on campus a decade ago. He was one of the last who was remained. The CI kept a list. Hopefully he will be barred from future employment for his sinophobic views as well as his inability to meet the educational needs of his students.

  151. @the one they call Desanex

    It’s almost always a octaroon or quadrooon that rails against the oppressive White system. Often from a cushy position in a newspaper or university.

    Left-wing and White hating Blacks are almost always mulatto. Louis Farrakhan hates both Whites and Jews and yet stated that his unknown father is probably Jewish.

    Talcum X is the best example. The guy could pass as White and has called for violence against Whites. So punch yourself in the face?

    I have no problem with actual Africans complaining about White people. Amusingly they are less likely to do so than Western mulattos. Actual Africans tend to view African-Americans as whiners.

    Interestingly the self-described Coloureds of South Africa are more likely to align with the Boers and they see themselves as separate from the Bantu. They would find it insulting to be called Black. In South African politics it is often the Bantu majority vs an alliance of Whites/Coloureds and smaller tribes.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  152. @The Last Real Calvinist

    That’s subconscious. They really do believe it though. The flex is that no one can disabuse them of their mistaken construction.

  153. @Wilkey

    Looking at online photos of Prof. Ewell, he looks uncannily like Rachel Dolezal’s brother.

  154. @Jack D

    I was a spectator to a panel on the Sino-German military mission from 1926-1938 at Tianjin University’s history department less than a month ago. It has become quite well studied now for obvious reasons, and from what I gathered during the Q&A session (my Chinese is quite good, HSK8 level) most of the questions revolved around two people: Gen. von Seeckt and Adolf. They filled their auditorium (socially-distant of course)

    If your metric is pop literature or something like that, sure — I’ll grant it. But academically it is well studied and seminars well-attended.

  155. @Wilkey

    Well stated. In the heady days of the late 50’s and early 60’s, we even had the appearance of Congolese music for the Roman Catholic Latin Mass (Missa Luba). It was supposedly purest African music, with no influence from outside the Congo. Of course, with only a little digging below the surface, one finds that it was a Belgian missionary priest, Fr. Guido Haazen, who organized the choir in order to preserve the art form.

    Is it pleasant to listen to? I think so, but it does not lead me to devotion, more as entertainment. I’ll take Palestrina any day for devotional music during Mass. But that’s me and I’m White. Perhaps Blacks feel differently.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  156. @Whiskey

    “only two choices … That’s it. No other choice is possible”

    Only gender is binary; everything else is up for debate. Including the good and evil conundrum. The choice you seek still hasn’t materialized in your brain, Grasshopper.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  157. Is It Racist to Say That Beethoven Was Greater Than Esperanza Spalding?

    Is the person saying it White?

    If “Yes”, then yes.

    (This applies to all statements made by Whites)

  158. Jack D says:
    @Hunsdon

    Beyond the pale does not refer to the Pale of [Jewish] Settlement in Russia but to the original Pale which was the English Pale in Ireland. Although nominally all of Ireland was ruled by the British crown after the Norman conquest, as a practical matter by the 15th century it was sort of like Afghanistan today where the power of the central government does not extend far beyond the capital. In order to delineate and better defend the areas that were under English control, a fence made of pales (poles), aka a palisade, was erected at the boundary and the area inside this fence (roughly a 50 mile semicircle around Dublin) was “inside the pale” where English laws and customs prevailed (even though the people were mostly Irish) . If you crossed the line of this fence you were “beyond the pale” and on your own – you were in Indian Country and couldn’t expect the English troops to protect you.

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  159. Spangel12 says:

    Esparanza Spalding isn’t even that good for a black bassist.

    If someone wanted to claim that nat king cole or McCoy tyner or Quincy jones was a greater composer than Beethoven, I would actually be willing to entertain that discussion. But spalding isn’t even the greatest black song writer in the past decade, which makes the comparison with Beethoven just tasteless.

  160. @Jack D

    The NW Euro supermajority of the late 19th-early 20th century in the US and NW EU had the luxury of overemphasising the differences between them and other Caucasian peoples, and that worldview still afflicts informs more white people’s opinions than it should, including a good portion of Sailer’s readership. So if blacks, South Asians, East Asians and Papuans see Jews as white, they’re white and good luck persuading them otherwise.

    Now imagine a hypothetical scenario 100 years from now, where a black supremacist US president declared it’s open season for whites, would the Jews feel safe, or would they have to wear the yellow badge on their sleeve, or, just to be sure, wear a huge Star of David both on the front and the back, because, you know, it’s pretty easy to guess someone’s race from a mile away, especially if that someone is from a race different than yours.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  161. res says:
    @Supply and Demand

    At least you get credit for being open about your motivations. Your actual views on the other hand…

  162. Jack D says:
    @BenjaminL

    Ben Smith, author of the not entirely unsympathetic to McNeil article “Why the Morality Plays Inside The Times Won’t Stop” discussed a couple of posts ago, is also mentioned as belong to the Menshevik faction. I expect that in time the Gang of Three will be purged. Bowles is already “on leave” and I would not be surprised if Powell and Smith leave pretty soon. The Gleichschaltung of an important (perhaps THE most important) propaganda organ of the Cathedral must be complete and all of the stragglers must be rounded up and dealt with appropriately. It’s one thing to have critics outside of the organization – these are mere pipsqueaks whose cries can be ignored. But to have enemies within the gates is intolerable.

    Keep in mind that the bullet to the brain phase of the Revolution has not begun yet. Even Trotsky was permitted to sail into exile as late as 1929. Powell and Smith will, like McNeil, be eased toward the door with a generous “severance package”, etc.

  163. Spangel12 says:

    Im not a big Beethoven fan. I would personally rank Mozart, Vivaldi, Bach, korsakov, Prokofiev and Rachmaninov ahead of Beethoven. Maybe a few others as well.

    I listened to Spaulding’s 12 little spells. It’s pleasant. I will even say I like listening to it more than many of Beethoven’s songs. Apart from being pleasant, I might call the piece “greater” than the bottom 20% of Beethoven’s works. I see Beethoven as a man who took a lot of risks and pushed the envelope as a composer, and I don’t think it always worked well.

    But I can’t see how spaldings best work comes anywhere close to Beethoven’s top 50 works. I’m trying to be as generous to her talents as I can and as a person who does not even like Beethoven that much. I guess it makes me racist.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  164. @Wilkey

    “real Nazism has never been tried”

    That maybe true. Considering the Nazism everyone talks about had its origin among Aryan occult groups active in Austria and Bavaria at the dawn of the twentieth century that were clandestine creations of Sabbatean rabbis who wanted to create a man-god to rule Europe. If you read my comment in the voice of a wise Chinaman it makes more sense.

  165. Thea says:

    paid circulation of about 30 copies an issue per year

    They’ll find anti-revolutionaries wherever they are, leaving no stone unturned.

  166. Mike Tre says:

    “Esperanza Spalding”

    I once won 100 bucks betting that she would eat her boogers after picking them from her nose.

    • Replies: @Deckin
  167. Jack D says:
    @Supply and Demand

    I’m sure you are overrating the CI’s influence here, but it’s good to keep in mind that the Chinese (and the Russians) think it is just grand for them when the US is beset by internal struggles. The more we are preoccupied with smashing statues of Confederate generals, the less time we have to smash Chinese aircraft carriers. The Chinese would much rather that we focus on the “oppression” of blacks than the real oppression of the Uighurs.

  168. @Steve Sailer

    The essential point Steve is that NO current or recent artist in ANY genre deserves comparison with the greats simply because it is time – and only time – that winnows the timelessly great in any field from the merely talented.

    NO author, composer, architect, etc currently or recently active can be called great….we don’t know yet.

  169. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the things about Condi* Rice white conservatives admired was her classical piano-playing. Of course, also one of the things race-man activist Blacks hated about her, or at least, a useful pretext to be seen blasting her trans-whiteness. It was weirdly polarizing that way, to mentally ill people who make their life about politics.

    I’m not sure if white liberals mostly liked, loathed, or were ambivalent toward her musicianship, but boy howdy, did they ever love indulgently scorning her as an Aunt Thomasina, now that certified Blacks had given them the pass to do so.

    Exquisite grooming and upper-class lib status markers aside, when she was in the first group of women admitted to Augusta National it really lit them up something fierce.

    *(I admit I can’t spell her particular Bizarro-‘Hood-Name without looking it up, which even then I’m still lacking fundamental spelling confidence in when I do see it)

  170. @Anonymous

    Increasingly most US citizens, a full majority, could not find korea on a map nor give any rationalization for squandering billions every year to occupy and defend it.

    Agreed about the wasteful spending, the South Koreans can certainly afford to defend themselves now – or not.

    While I will agree that most Americans can’t find Korea on a map, I’m afraid most Americans couldn’t put their finger on The United States if handed an unmarked globe.

    I’m absolutely sure they couldn’t locate Israel, either, and they get billions also. I’d rather give their money to Korea, too – I don’t see the Koreans working against US interests or trying to destroy our culture…

  171. Somewhat interesting to know that neurotic Jewish yowling about how their Others don’t like them is now trumped by neurotic black yowling about how their Others don’t like them.

  172. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    BTW, didn’t both Adorno and Spengler agree that swing/ragtime jazz was terrible?

  173. Brutusale says:
    @CasperKoch

    Was he singing, too? Watch from 3:50.

  174. Aardvark says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    I have an alternative approach they would equally hate.
    As background for it, I found back in the 90’s that when program directors for symphonies scheduled the contemporary composer as the last piece to be performed, scores of patrons would get up and leave the concert hall early and skip the performance of it.
    The conductors and program directors were determined to ram the contemporary composer down the throat of the patrons, so they quickly learned to schedule the contemporary composer piece in between two classical pieces. The patrons would tolerate the contemporary piece to get to the last performance.
    So why not stand up a performance of some music composition from whatever sub-Saharan culture of an equivalent era? The marketplace will quickly decide the relevance of it.
    I suppose the conductors and program directors can even force schedule it in between the performances of two Beethoven pieces.

  175. @AnotherDad

    AD, Your math is wrong. Assuming the same territory:

    State 2 depends on State 1 — State 2 it is not independently viable. Whites “oppressing minorities” can be as simple as having and enforcing laws against violent crime.

  176. Lurker says:
    @Polistra

    I hope someone told her how to use the manual pull

    A hate symbol? Noooo!

    • LOL: Polistra
  177. @YetAnotherAnon

    I aired the recording in the presence of a pair of classically trained musicians.

    They immediately observed: “Dissonant”. One noted that while the piece was good, “It’s not Bach”, adding “There’s a reason why the masters are considered great.”

    U of N TX is also associated with Don Henley, though I don’t know if he gives it credit for anything related to his music career.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  178. Thea says:
    @unit472

    When building houses, Texas doesn’t follow the same codes colder states need to follow . For example, pipes are not insulated. They have widespread frozen pipes now as well as power shortages, no snowplows and other misery.

  179. “He described music theory as dominated by white males”

    correct, just like pretty much everything else. africans have completely adopted western musical theory. they use it to create all their music and have for hundreds of years. they use the major and minor scales, all the western instruments, and even their rhythms are written in the language of the drum kit. none of that is african at all, whatsoever.

    of course, this was inevitable, since western musical theory is by far the best out of all the various versions, and because africans don’t even have any musical theory, just like they didn’t even have any written languages.

    it would be like accusing them of adopting western medical theory over any other version. of course they did. it’s the best one out of the existing ones, and they didn’t have one of their own.

    not that this prevents lots of them from creating what is basically noise, when they venture outside of music theory when creating music, just as it doesn’t prevent them from using magic and juju and getting people killed when venturing outside of medical theory. they still do all that too.

  180. Abe says:
    @Jack D

    This is just plain false. Chinese academics have no interest in Nazi ideology.

    Then why did the Chinese soldier use to dress likes a stormtrooper, right down to his shiny stahlhelm? Game- set- match. (Kidding, but books and Wikipedia are a fascinating trove of overlooked weird history, including the Third Reich’s significant military ties to Nationalist China through much of the 1930’s).

  181. Schenker sounds rather like various egotistical cult leader intellectuals, such as Marx, Freud, Rand and so forth.

    No, not at all. I am too dense to understand quite was Herr Schenker was about, but I know musicians – all pianists – who revere him and who say that reading Schenker clarified a lot in Beethoven that had puzzled them.

  182. Kylie says:
    @wren

    Thanks a lot, wren. 😡

    May aspiring rappers move in next door to you.

  183. It is not racist to say Beethoven was greater than Esperanza Spalding. It just means one has ears and can discriminate between great and good. But I am no musical snob. I grew up listening to classical, country and western, Gilbert and Sullivan, ranchera and conjunto, and rock ‘n roll.

    Esperanza is a fine musician but I doubt she will be remembered two hundred years from now. She’s good but she ain’t that good.

  184. “‘Professor Jackson’s essay was barbed. Schenker, he wrote, was no privileged white man. Rather he was a Jew in prewar Germany…’ No, actually he lived and died in 1935 in Vienna, Austria, not in Germany.”

    Steve, sounds like you’re already better informed than the Herr Professor, although some might offer this as a reason to think that he does indeed owe his eminent position to his whitemalatude.

  185. I can’t decide if “Esperanza Spalding” sounds more like an Aldous Huxley or Evelyn Waugh character.

  186. @wren

    She’s not even in the same league as Michael Schenker.

  187. anon[667] • Disclaimer says:

    Has anyone ever played any of Esperanza Spalding’s compositions on the ukulele?

  188. @The Last Real Calvinist

    In Poe’s essay on the art of Diddling, he says that the diddle isn’t finished until the diddler lies down at at night, closes his eyes, and GRINS.

  189. @El Dato

    “Just change a few words are you in Heidelberg, 1934. The ones taking the role of uniformed party functionaries are black this time. But that doesn’t change anything to the depressing platonic ideal of the situation.”

    Or Freiburg 1933. Heidegger’s infamous address on the role of the German university could have been written by any of these goodthinkers. Academic “freedom” is a bourgeois concept that must be shoved aside for the higher duty of “knowledge workers” to serve the Reich.

    People on the “Dissident Right” promoting Heidegger don’t seem to understand that what you call the “platonic ideal” of Heidegger is already in charge, in the guise of “Cultural Marxism” (i.e., Germanic Kultur displacing plebian class warfare); as you say, only “this time the faces are black”.

  190. @Charles St. Charles

    This is confusing, perhaps because I know nothing about it. But, judging from the videos on YouTube, “music theory” is, in fact, practical instruction in how to put sounds together, although perhaps a bit more generalized than learning to play a particular instrument.

    Thus, a video like “Did the Beatles know any music theory?” for example. The Beatles had no “formal training” but understood concepts like major/minor, modulation, etc. For example, they once took a couple hour bus ride to meet a guy who could play a chord they liked; he showed them how, they went home and began using it. So they had a grasp of “chord progression” but if they had know “theory” they could have explained how the chord was created, and even invented their own chords. He could have said “Oh, it’s a diminished F7” or something and they’d said, “Right, got it” instead of watching him play it.

    What Schenker and these guys are doing seem like a more academic and abstract pursuit, a “theory of music” like looking for a Chomskyian “deep structure” or a “unified theory of Western and Hindu harmony” etc., none of which would help an actual musician, or listener.

    The other guys, on the other hand, are doing the typical modern “studies” thing, talking about racism and colonialism. Two steps removed from any practical value.

  191. Napoleon says, “This is pretty much the worst video ever made!” to which Kip replies, “Like anyone can even know that.”

    While looking into the phrase “hewers of wood”, I stumbled across what could very well be the Worst Band Name Ever. (At least the feline picture included reassures us that it isn’t referring to Miles Davis. That would clench clinch it.) If you are aware of any worse, do let us know. But use the “Hide MORE” button; ladies read this blog, too.

    However, the fellow did come up with the best 2020-1 song* title– “The World is In Fear Again and It Has All Been Manufactured”— in 2007.

    *Okay, technically it’s not a song.

    If The Sky Falls, We Shall Catch Larks is a nice title, too.

  192. Conservatives and Rightists like Leavis because they don’t read him. He’s really one of the proto-Woke sort, though his political hobbyhorses are a bit different than theirs.

    The whole idea of “teaching English” was thought absurd in the old days; those were books you could read on your own. I gather that after Eliot and Modernism the idea (or excuse) arose that you needed to learn how to read such rarified works as Ulysses or Sound and the Fury, just like Homer or Dante.

    Hence, the need for various “theories” to be taught, from Leavis or the Fugitives to deconstruction and subaltern studies; all one big racket.

    At Oxford they made you start with learning Anglo Saxon and went from there, to make it a serious course of study. Hence, Tolkien didn’t teach “fantasy literature” but Anglo Saxon (and badly, according to Larkin and Amis).

  193. @Aardvark

    So why not stand up a performance of some music composition from whatever sub-Saharan culture of an equivalent era? The marketplace will quickly decide the relevance of it.

    The marketplace has nothing to do with classical music performances, organizations and venues.

    A typical symphony crowd would loudly proclaim their love and admiration for the mud music and make sure that everyone saw them clapping really really hard – “I didn’t even fall asleep; it was so riveting!”

    An unenthusiastic response would require a call to the Whoo-ite Soo-preemacy tip line.

  194. @Aardvark

    So why not stand up a performance of some music composition from whatever sub-Saharan culture of an equivalent era? The marketplace will quickly decide the relevance of it.

    The marketplace has nothing to do with classical performances.

    A typical symphony crowd would loudly proclaim their love and admiration for the mud music and make sure that everyone saw them clapping really really hard – “I didn’t even fall asleep; it was so riveting!”

    An unenthusiastic response would require a call to the Whoo-ite Soo-preemacy tip line.

  195. @Whiskey

    If you think blacks run the show, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. We all know who pulls the strings.

    But your observations remain valid.

  196. @AnotherDad

    We simply need to be free to be white. To have our stuff and enjoy it as we like without apology.

    For that we need separation. The other groups will never leave us alone. We are the goose that lays the golden egg.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  197. ATBOTL says:
    @DextersLabRat

    Blacks may be now be greater or equal to Jews in the BLM era oppression hierarchy, but Jews have the power. Hence the friction. Blacks are now going after Jews the same way blacks and Jews have both been going after whites for generations. Jews don’t like it, but they have lost the ability to cancel blacks for doing this, something they once had.

    I remember how radical blacks were criticized in the media during the 1980’s and early 90’s for being anti-white as well as anti-semitic. By 2000, the only criticism of people like Farrakhan in the media or from politicians was that he was anti-semitic. “Anti-white” was never mentioned again, even in conservative media.

    The important thing that we should be talking about more is how we European Americans can organize to promote our interests. We need real life networking with other pro-white European Americans. This is easier than ever because so many white people are racially conscious now. All gen X or mlnl aged people on here should have real life friends who are also pro-white. Most non-liberal white men under 50 are pro-white or open to it now. This is not boomer cuckservative Cuck Limbaugh America anymore.

  198. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    they didn’t become anti-Semites overnight after the Anschluß. Austria was fertile soil for Nazi ideology

    But let’s make sure we never, EVER, ask “why” that soil might have been so fertile. Nope, it was just crazy anti-Semite Austrians! Making it all up out of thin air.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  199. @Arthur Biggs

    Along the same lines, The Zman alerted us in his Friday podcast to the following from Breitbart.

    “Black Studies” professor Kehinde Andrews of Birmingham City University has denounced the Enlightenment as “little more than White identity politics” and “racist knowledge”.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/02/06/enlightenment-was-little-more-than-white-identity-politics-racist-knowledge/

    Sounds like Joe Sobran and Ol’ Kehinde are pretty well aligned on these matters. Both would attribute the Enlightenment to Europeans. Both would agree that minorities want to destroy it.

  200. @Polistra

    So it’s warmer in the capital of Maine than in the capital of Texas. Well, Maine is the closest state to Africa… though marginally farther than Puerto Rico is.

  201. @JohnnyWalker123

    Uh, all those public opinion polls are there to shape opinion, not gauge it.

  202. Interesting timing, I was just remembering Jay-Z saying that “Jewish people own all the property in America.”

  203. @Steve Sailer

    There really DOES seem to be a lot of over-appreciation of Beethoven here, at least among those commenting if not among readers in general. Sure, Beethoven is great, but ask the general public and Mozart would hardly “take a while to notice” and likely would top the list over Beethoven. And there’s that Bach guy you may have heard of, he wrote a few little ditties.

    Speaking of whom, remember “Bach, Beethoven and Brahms”? Whoever thought Brahms deserved that level of accolade?

    If you want to get all world-historical and theoretical, surely Wagner’s Ring dramas complete the system of Beethoven?

    Bernini? Really? There’s that dirty statue of St. Teresa schoolboys like to giggle at, but what else?

    Michelangelo, of course, no question; and unlike the other two, in more than one art form.

  204. @Harry Baldwin

    “toxic levels of self-esteem mixed with manifest incompetence”

    And that’s exactly why they are obsessed with making claims about “white privilege” being the only union card to get in the upper echelons. “Actually” Whites are incompetent and full of self-esteem, not talent etc. Now they just want equal time via AA etc.

    As always, They accuse YOU of what THEY are/are doing.

  205. @Wilkey

    It’s an “obvious” point but people stubbornly refuse to acknowledge it, or investigate it themselves.

    ACTUAL African music is just monotonous drumming, like the sort those White millennial antifa dirtbags used to do on the NYC subway platforms or in Union Square. For people with “natural rhythm” you’ll find precious little variety; hell, rap even dispenses with any rhythm other than 4/4.

    ACTUAL African dancing is just jumping up and down in place. Again, some “natural rhythm” you got there.

    Jazz isn’t an “African” music, it was invented (by blacks and whites) in AMERICA. Louis Armstrong had to go to NYC to TEACH it to Fletcher Henderson’s “All Negro Harlem Orchestra”.

  206. Beethoven is good, and Spalding is good.

  207. Jack D says:
    @peterike

    Are blacks in America justified in hating white people today? There is such a thing as the politics of resentment and envy.

  208. @Known Fact

    There’s a reason this whole PC/hate speech/speech codes/cancel culture thing started in universities, and it’s not the students. Academics have a long history of heel turns, turncoating, etc. whenever the political climate shifts.

    That includes lots of people the “dissident right” likes to idolized, like Hegel (lickspittle of the Prussian govt) and Heidegger (lickspittle of the NS govt.). That quote could have come straight out of Heidegger’s rector address. “Sometimes freedom of speech comes into conflict with a people’s Destiny and the authenticity of Dasein” (my attempt at Heideggerese).

    Although Evola wasn’t a professor, he was a master of the art. He wrote “Pagan Imperialism” to influence Mussolini, but when that failed he translated it into German, renamed it “Heathen Imperialism,” changed the master race from the Romans to the Teutons, and tried to sell it in Germany. They weren’t buying either, though, since they had more than enough homegrown mystical conmen.

  209. @Charles St. Charles

    “I think this also explains part of the appeal (for leftie music writers) of Bob Dylan’s songs – words, words, words, verse after verse – over three chords strummed simply on an acoustic guitar – a writer’s dream music.”

    To be fair, a pretty good description of Death in June and most “alt folk” music.

  210. Jack D says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    The Chinese are not interested in National Socialism as an ideology of racism and anti-Communism and anti-Semitism. This is an uncomfortable fit for an Asian Communist regime which doesn’t particularly dislike Jews. Xi is looking for anything that will justify his totalitarian rule and will take anyone who echos his totalitarian impulses. Franco also liked Schmitt. The academics have been instructed to find legal justifications for dictatorial rule so Schmitt is their man. They don’t love National Socialism, they love Schmitt.

  211. @CasperKoch

    “Is it pleasant to listen to? I think so, but it does not lead me to devotion, more as entertainment. I’ll take Palestrina any day for devotional music during Mass. But that’s me and I’m White. Perhaps Blacks feel differently.”

    This was the argument of those who opposed polyphony (if Pfitzner’s Palestrina is historically accurate). If it were true that something like Missa Luba did lead Africans to devotion, and Bach didn’t, that would be an argument to ban Bach and promote Missa Luba, whatever Bach’s qualities as “mere” art.

  212. Deckin says:
    @Mike Tre

    Are you going to eat your fat?

  213. @Rockford Tyson

    Eminem spent the last 4 1/2 years trying to get Donald Trump to respond to endless ‘dis’ raps and constant filthy name calling.

    “Pay attention to meeeeee!”

    Trump totally ignored him, never said his name or tweeted about him or acknowledged his existence in any way.

    Now THAT is how you burn a little wigger bitch like Eminem to a crisp.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Thanks: northeast
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  214. @notsaying

    But sometimes the traditional idea of free speech comes into conflict with safety and inclusivity

    I don’t understand how people can feel unsafe hearing speech during a Zoom meeting or watching Youtube at home.

    This must go with the idea that speech is violence and violence is speech.

  215. @Abe

    Cannot agree more strongly about Rick Beato, especially the “What Makes This Song Great?” segments. The video for Steely Dan’s “Kid Charlemagne” is — like all of these — awesomely detailed, down to complex chord inversions (and with Steely Dan, the chord progressions look like something out of a physics lab). Beato isolates specific instrumental lines and parts, so you can hear, for example, what Larry Carlton (lead guitar) or Bernard Purdue (drums) is doing in a particular passage.

    Highly recommended for people who care a little too deeply about whether that was an augmented or a suspended chord.

    • Agree: Enemy of Earth
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  216. I had never heard of this Schenker guy either. The only Schenkers I have heard of are the heavy metal guitar-playing Schenker brothers – Rudolf of the Scorpions and Michael of UFO and the McAuley-Schenker group. Wonder if they are any relation?

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  217. Ewell’s Chant:

    Hooray for Esperanza,
    The bassist and composer,
    Beethoven’s just a poser,
    Hooray, hooray, hooray!

  218. Anon[303] • Disclaimer says:

    This Ewell guy is, from his photos, another mostly-white-identifies-as-black guy, which seems to be a pattern.

    John McWhorter’s Substack today:

    If Schenker’s music theory “is racist,” we need to have this explained. And Ewell’s article does include a section addressing this keystone point. However, that section is almost surprisingly brief. From what I can tell from Ewell’s article, fertile and elegantly written though it is overall, the idea that Schenkerian theory is, itself, racist comes down to two things.

    Namely, the theory requires that some tones are more important, central, driving in force, than other tones, and also that a certain line in the foreground must dominate other elements that are in the middle ground and the background, such as repeated bass line patterns (among other things). In other words, Schenker thought whites were above other races, especially blacks, and should dominate them. Ewell thinks that European music theory is therefore racist in applying similar notions of dominance to notes and other components of music.

    [Ridicules this, and notes that African music is the same.]

    Elsewhere, Ewell has questioned the requirement that music theorists master European languages such as German in preparation for research on original sources that are often written in those languages (Ancient Greek is another one). Ewell considers this “obviously racist” in implying that white people are better.

    [Doubts that there is music theory literature in African languages.]

    McWhorter is one of those weird black guys who likes classical music (as well as black music):

    But Beethoven as just “above average”? Above average, for his era, was someone like Carl Stamitz – a typical piece was his Orchestral Quartet in C major. It’s pretty like a tulip, and exemplifies a word often used for his work, “appealing.” Above average – but there’s a reason you’ve never heard of him unless you’re a music specialist.

  219. @Spangel12

    “Apart from being pleasant, I might call the piece “greater” than the bottom 20% of Beethoven’s works.”

    An important distinction. Colin Wilson talked about major and minor composers, which had little to do with how much you liked them. You might LIKE Delius, or Peter Warlock, but you’d hardly call them great composers.

    What made a composer GREAT was mostly the range of their work. Arguably, Beethoven comes close to failing the test, since he only composed one opera, barely, and hardly anyone listens to anything but the third overture he composed for it, which isn’t even the one he finally used. In fact, some productions play it as a prelude to the last act. Anyway, his problem was that he wasn’t an operatic composer, and his overtures were so magnificent they made the opera superfluous.

    By the same token, the choral finale of the Ninth is, perhaps, a mistake; notice how seldom later composers imitate it, and how bleh the results are. Wagner saw the mistake, and eventually evolved the idea of the music drama by contrast, but by the same token, failed in every other genre (an reverse Beethoven).

    What they did write is great enough to get them in, but only with an asterisk. Contrast the full spectrum dominance of Bach and Mozart.

    To shift genres, you might say this is why the Beatles were great in pop music, and Led Zeppelin in specifically metal (Zep could produce great hard and soft songs, other bands specialized in one or the other).

  220. @SunBakedSuburb

    Only gender is binary…

    No, it isn’t. Gender is ternary in many Indo-European tongues, as well as in English pronouns, the only place it survives in our language.

  221. Lagertha says:

    No – Most people forget that Beethoven battled going deaf – gotcha! hahhaaa.

    Beethoven is the only musician, in our life time on Earth (going deep, I know) that ever understood that love, life, beauty and continuity (children) is ALL THERE IS – THE MEANING OF LIFE. BE GOOD TO PEOPLE, PLANTS & ANIMALS. So simple that it makes me cry when I read it or think about it.

  222. @Gary in Gramercy

    and with Steely Dan, the chord progressions look like something out of a physics lab

    Couldn’t do them on a ukulele. Not enough strings. Whereas you could play Harry Nilsson’s “Coconut” with one hand.

  223. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    You seem mad as hell. The reason why Trump didn’t respond is because he knows he would be crushed and embarrassed publicly. Trump is petty AF, and replies to *everyone* . He didn’t reply to Eminem because he knew that was a battle he couldn’t win.

  224. Lagertha says:

    Steve just edited me! Hahhahhaaaaaaa – will save for a later post. We, the oldest, indigenous white culture the arctic and Baltic regions, where never ever slavers. Our children, and young women, for centuries, were the 2nd slaves.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  225. Beethoven was really, really great. But real musicians love pygmy harmonizing, Anoushka Shankar, Salif Keita, the Bulgarian Women’s Choir, Vladimir Vysotsky, Cree Confederation, John Lee Hooker, Pizzica, Carlos Gardel, Makossa, Highlife, all of it.

    Try this on for size. Talk about real diversity.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Kylie
  226. Under a Green Willow
    Под ракитою зелёной

    Under a green willow
    Казак раненый лежал

    A wounded cossack lay
    еее ой да под зелёной

    Oh, under a green one
    Казак раненый лежал

    A wounded cossack lay
    Прилетела птица-ворон

    A raven flew to him
    Начал каркать над кустом

    On the bush he cawed
    Ай над ним вился чёрный ворон

    Oh, a black raven flew over him
    Чуя лакомый кусок.

    Sensing a tasty morsel.
    Ты не каркай чёрный ворон

    Don’t caw black raven
    Над моею головой

    Over my head
    еее ой да чёрный ворон.

    Oh, you black raven.
    Я казак ещё живой!

    I am still alive!
    Ты слетай-ка чёрный ворон,

    Fly please, black raven,
    К отцу, к матери домой

    Home to my father and mother
    И передай платок кровавый

    And give my bloody cloth
    Моей жиньке молодой.

    To my young wife.
    Ты скажи-ка, чёрный ворон

    Tell her, black raven
    Что женился на другой,

    That I’ve married another,
    Что нашёл себе невесту

    That I found a bride
    В чистом поле за рекой!

    In a wide field beyond the river!
    Была свадьба тиха, смирна,

    The wedding was peaceful,
    Под ракитовым кустом

    Under a willow bush,
    еее ой да тиха, смирна…ааа

    Oh, peaceful, quiet,
    Под ракитовым кустом.

    Under a willow bush.
    Была сваха-сабля востра,

    My sharp sabre was the matchmaker,
    Штык булатный был дружком.

    My bayonet was the best man.
    еее ой да сабля востра

    Oh, my sharp sabre,
    Штык булатный был дружком.

    My bayonet was the best man.
    Поженила пуля быстро,

    The bullet married us quickly,
    Обвенчала мать-замля.

    Mother earth married us.
    еее ой да пуля быстро

    Oh, the bullet quickly,
    Обвенчала мать-замля!

    Mother earth married us!

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  227. @Peter D. Bredon

    Triples and alliteration both have a natural appeal and memorability; obviously, some ‘B’ name was needed to complete the set both ways.

    Brahms was good, but shouldn’t quite be mentioned in the same breath with the first two.

    ‘Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven’ just doesn’t roll off the tongue in the same way, does it?

  228. MBlanc46 says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Let ’em freeze to death in the dark.

  229. baythoven says:
    @Anon

    “Leigh is more in the Edgar Elgar or George Gershwin class…”

    OH BALONEY!

    Of course, you meant Edward, not Edgar, Elgar — we all make typos — but what nonsense. Elgar is a towering genius. He is England’s greatest composer — and yes, that includes Purcell.

    “known for a few specific works” HA! His violin concerto is one of the greatest ever, on one hand. The cello concerto. His two great symphonies. Falstaff, a wonderful symphonic poem, and there are others. The Kingdom, my favorite of his oratorios, but the two preceding are also great. Dozens of great, and much performed, smaller choral works…

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  230. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    This is so meaningful if you believe in God, an afterlife, or the beauty of nature and the absolute reality that people are mostly good.

    hHHhhHhhhhaaaaaaa – Steve, the editor!

  231. @Rockford Tyson

    You just keep telling yourself that.

    • Replies: @Rockford Tyson
  232. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Spot on. Whites will never, ever be left alone. We have to make that a reality through separation, physical, legal, in every way possible. The control of the demographics in the US is working against us having any power to say no if we continue to live in the same polity. Only through self-segregation can we have free association. In the US “country”, we can no longer be a “nation”. This is beyond argument.

  233. Luke Lea says:

    Since whites invented the printing press, and indeed the alphabet itself, to say nothing of the internet, and maybe a few other things, why is this guy not sawing off the limb he is standing on? Newton, another white guy, can tell him where to go.

    #Wokebusters

    • Replies: @Morris Applebaum IV
  234. It’s interesting that high IQ Asians don’t have any trouble recognizing that Beethoven was one of the greatest composers (if not THE GREATEST) in human history.

    We can at least take solace knowing that thousands of years from now people will still listen to Beethoven regardless of what moronic 21st-century Leftists are arguing.

  235. @James O'Meara

    “Zep could produce great hard and soft songs, [whereas] other bands specialized in one or the other.”

    And in “Over the Hills and Far Away,” they combined the two, an impressive feat.

  236. @Luke Lea

    Semites invented the alphabet and the Chinese invented moveable type printing technology. The internet was created by Whites, including Ashkenazi Jews (who aren’t White according to some here).

  237. Luke Lea says:

    The New Woke Times. #NWT #NewWokeTimes

  238. Wilkey says:
    @baythoven

    Of course, you meant Edward, not Edgar, Elgar — we all make typos — but what nonsense. Elgar is a towering genius. He is England’s greatest composer — and yes, that includes Purcell. “known for a few specific works” HA! His violin concerto is one of the greatest ever, on one hand. The cello concerto. His two great symphonies….

    “Pomp & Circumstance” gets a lot of flack, mostly for being repetitive and overplayed, thanks to commencement ceremonies. But it really is a spectacular piece, and in a more just world it (well, “Land of Hope & Glory”) would be the UK’s national anthem. Both musically and lyrically it would put all other national anthems to shame.

    The theme from the first movement of his Symphony #1 is one of the most beautiful I have ever heard – and very, very English at that.

    • Replies: @baythoven
  239. @Jack D

    Jack, maybe he’s right. Contact me ASAP so we can decide on a team color, fight song, mascot etc.

  240. @JerseyJeffersonian

    But it’s the truth, though. Trump tweets replies to random journalists from tier-B newspapers. Trump is the most thin-skinned person on the planet. He is a narcissist, and hates being criticized. So the fact that he replies to everyone except to Eminem indicates that he chose to ignore Eminem because he knew the counter-rebuttal would be brutal.

    Let me take a wild guess here…you voted for Trump, and are upset by the truthfullness of my comment on a visceral level.

  241. baythoven says:
    @Wilkey

    Rightly or wrongly, I excluded the Pomp & Circumstance marches and the Enigma Variations from my comment only because they are so well known. I appreciate your reply.

    • Replies: @Anon
  242. @International Jew

    Proposed anthem/fight song: “Let ’em all go to hell…except Cave 76!”

  243. @Aardvark

    I began going to New York Philharmonic concerts in the late 1950s, and at that time something much like the tactic you describe was well established as common practice. That is to say, when a piece of so-called new music* was on the program, it was never either the first piece or the last piece. Usually it would be the second piece before intermission or the first of two (if two there were) after intermission. When, in the early sixties, I began to research the orchestra’s programming going back to the start of the twentieth century, I discovered that the tactic could even be seen in programs from the teens and twenties.

    As Philharmonic subscriber audiences were and remain notably low- and middle-brow, the tactic’s success was limited because, deep down, hard-core modern-music haters didn’t care how many other patrons they disturbed by repeatedly climbing over them. At last, the acute annoyance of people who preferred to politely suffer through a dismal new work by Lukas Foss or David Diamond to disturbing their fellow concertgoers led to the policy at all the newly opened Lincoln Center theaters not to admit latecomers till a suitable break occurred—if indeed there was one—nor readmit someone who left the auditorium during the performance. Unfortunately, most of the Lincoln Center theaters have gone soft on that policy in the past twenty-five years. No surprise there.
    __________________________
    * If the music was tonal, “new” usually meant that it was composed later than Ravel. If it was atonal or twelve-tone, the year 1900 became the marker for “new.” Nowadays, of course, almost no audience would hear a piece from the fifties by Paul Creston or Walter Piston as new, although very few conductors have programmed such music with success, but Schoenberg’s Five Pieces (1909) or Elliott Carter’s Cello Sonata (1948) or Boulez’s Le marteau sans maître (1955) will be new for the foreseeable future—if, that is, Western art music has anything nonrisibly describable as a future.

    • Agree: vinteuil
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  244. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @baythoven

    Oh come on. England’s greatest composer was Derek Bourgeois by a mile.

  245. @Abolish_public_education

    “I aired the recording in the presence of a pair of classically trained musicians.”

    I hope they got as far as the second movement, which is utterly gorgeous.

    (I like the dissonance btw.)

  246. @Kent Nationalist

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/12/gentry.html

    I had heard that Strauss was popular there, as was, to my surprise, Carl Schmitt, the Weimar anti-liberal legal theorist… Strauss and Schmitt are at the center of intellectual debate, but they are being read by everyone, whatever their partisan leanings; as a liberal journalist in Shanghai told me as we took a stroll one day, “no one will take you seriously if you have nothing to say about these two men and their ideas.” And the interest has little to do with nationalism in the nineteenth-century sense of the term. It is a response to crisis—a widely shared belief that the millennia-long continuity of Chinese history has been broken and that everything, politically and intellectually, is now up for grabs.

    … Liberal thought, the young ones now feel, just doesn’t help them understand the dynamics of Chinese life today or offer a model for the future. For example, everyone I spoke with, across the political spectrum, agrees that China needs a stronger state, not a weaker one—a state that follows the rule of law, is less capricious, can control local corruption, and can perform and carry out long-term planning. Their disagreements all seem to be about how a strong state should exercise its power over the economy and how its newfound power should be exercised in international affairs. Similarly, there was complete consensus about China’s right to defend its national interests, just differences over what those interests are. When my turn to talk about American politics came, and I tried to explain the Tea Party movement’s goal of “getting government off our backs,” I was met with blank stares and ironic smiles.

    Classical liberalism sees society as having multiple, semi-autonomous spheres; Schmitt asserted the priority of the social whole (his ideal was the medieval Catholic Church) and considered the autonomy of the economy, say, or culture or religion, as a dangerous fiction. Classical liberalism treats sovereignty as a kind of coin that individuals are given by nature and which they cash in as they build legitimate political institutions for themselves; Schmitt saw sovereignty as the result of an arbitrary self-founding act by a leader, a party, a class, or a nation that simply declares “thus it shall be.”

    … The Chinese tradition of political thought that begins with Confucius, though in a way statist, is altogether different: Its aim is to build a just social hierarchy where every person has a station and is bound to others by clear obligations, including the ruler, who is there to serve. Central to the functioning of such a state are the “gentlemen” (or “gentry” in some Confucius translations), men of character and conscience trained to serve the ruler by making him a better one—more rational and concerned with the people’s good. Though the Chinese students I met clearly wanted to épater their teachers and me by constantly referring to Schmitt, the truth is that they want a good society, not just a strong one.

    Taking a cue from Aristotle, Strauss distinguished between philosophers, on the one hand, and practical men who embody civic virtue and are devoted to the public good, on the other: While knowing what constitutes the good society requires philosophy, he taught, bringing it about and maintaining it requires gentlemen. Aristocracies recognize this need, democracies don’t … But for the young Chinese I met, the distinction between sages and statesmen and the idea of an elite class educated to serve the public good make perfect sense because they are already rooted in the Chinese political tradition. What makes Strauss additionally appealing to them, apart from the grand tapestry of Western political theory he lays before them, is that he makes this ideal philosophically respectable without reference to Confucius or religion or Chinese history. He provides a bridge between their ancient tradition and our own. No one I met talked about a post-Communist China, for obvious reasons. But students did speak openly about the need for a new gentry class to direct China’s affairs, to strengthen the state by making it wiser and more just.

  247. Art Deco says:
    @Wilkey

    but it would be hard to argue that many or most of those Jews there weren’t privileged.

    Very few people are privileged in any setting. ‘Privilege’ – private law – is a capacity to bring forth favors in defiance of the usual practice. Even quite wealthy people commonly have only a tincture of it.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  248. Art Deco says:
    @John Johnson

    Interestingly the self-described Coloureds of South Africa are more likely to align with the Boers and they see themselves as separate from the Bantu. They would find it insulting to be called Black.

    The Coloureds are the descendants of the extinct Hottentots, the Khoi-san people who populated the Western and northern Cape in 1650. There’s some Bantu ancestry in there, but they are not Bantu. Also, their home language (9x out of 10) is Afrikaans and they’re commonly Dutch Reformed. Many years ago, the American Universities Field Staff published a monograph on South Africa and noted that the only subsegments of the population who seemed to have some mutual affinity were Cape Afrikaner and Cape Coloured.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  249. Spangel12 says:
    @James O'Meara

    Agree that only Bach and Mozart show mastery at such a breadth of genres. Some composers are narrow but consistent. I personally find Chopin’s best piece and worst piece to be only marginally different in quality, such was his consistency. He is the absolute master of subtle piano pieces, but he was very narrow in what he did.

    Prokofiev I think is underrated because he excelled at drama and pure music. He could write for the traditionalist masses as well as the avant garde. I think perhaps more was expected of later composers since they had so much earlier work to learn from, but in my view is breadth almost approaches the level of Bach.

  250. Jack D says:
    @Fallmerayer's Bane

    In the backpacking days of the 1970s when the US was hated in Europe because of its involvement in Vietnam, it was common to see Canadian backpackers with REALLY BIG Canadian flags sewn onto their backpacks so that no one would mistake them for Americans.

  251. Jack D says:
    @International Jew

    Team color: Blue and white

    Fight song: Can’t think of a good one. Can we have a negotiating song instead? Did “Let’s Make a Deal” have a theme song? The Betar Song is pretty good but too obscure for most American Jews let alone everyone else. It has a real “we wuz kangs” vibe to it (blacks didn’t invent this either):

    Even in poverty a Jew is a prince
    Whether slave or tramp
    You have been created the son of kings
    Crowned with the diadem of David

    (In Hebrew it rhymes)

    Macot: The scapegoat

    • LOL: bomag
  252. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    The Bantu and Khoisan components are roughly equal. The latest estimates are:

    Khoisan: (32–43%)
    Bantu-speaking Africans (mainly Xhosa): (20–36%)
    Ethnic groups in Europe: (21–28%)
    Asian peoples: (9–11%)

    “Asian peoples” means mostly Malay (Malaysian/Indonesian). The Dutch took Malays as slaves from Dutch East India and brought them to the Cape Colony. Over time some of them mixed with the other slave populations and lost their culture, religion, language and names. The ones that remained Muslim and unmixed are known as Cape Malays and they still also exist as a separate group although they have lost their language and now speak Afrikaans or English.

    Because the Khoisans were “yellow” rather than black, the Cape Coloured are not as dark skinned on average as you might expect from a group that is roughly 2/3 African.

    Regardless, they do not think of themselves as “black” the way that mixed race African Americans identify as black.

  253. @Jack D

    Hey, American whites didn’t start this fight. Your team did. If you have problems with the consequences, take it up with your cousins.

    You can’t piss on people’s heads and tell them that it’s raining forever.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  254. @International Jew

    You already have a fight song.

    I realize that being honest to the goy isn’t exactly your people’s specialty, but it’d be nice if you and Jack could show the commenters here a modicum of respect by occasionally telling the truth – though, frighteningly, my suspicion is that you really do believe what you write. You’d rationalize anything that happens to my people as a sad, but necessary defense of your people.

    Don’t create what you fear the most.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  255. @International Jew

    You already have a fight song.

    I realize that being honest to the goy isn’t exactly your people’s specialty, but it’d be nice if you and Jack could show the commenters here a modicum of respect by occasionally telling the truth – though, frighteningly, my suspicion is that you really do believe what you write. You’d rationalize anything that happens to my people as a sad, but necessary defense of your people.

    Don’t create what you fear the most.

  256. Here those Asians go again, messing up the narrative.

  257. bomag says:
    @El Dato

    Fools. Yes, repent for your badthink. Then go on Twitter and repent more. Then send money to the 1619 project. But you will be removed too. Nobody loves simpering followers.

    This. Reminds us that there are few incentives for moderation. The under-performers lodge some complaints; nice guys apologize and self-criticize; the under-performers come back with even more demands; nice guys agree to abolish themselves; the under-performers complain even more. One needs to completely discount these complaints and hold up your side with no apology.

    Just change a few words you are in Heidelberg, 1934. The ones taking the role of uniformed party functionaries are black this time.

    It strikes me that Black run areas tend towards a fascistic police state: strong man rule; immediate violence for stepping out of line; strict hierarchies and surveillance. Even little fanzines with thirty five subscribers are not immune from the prying eyes and heavy hand of the racial police.

  258. Kylie says:
    @obwandiyag

    “Try this on for size. Talk about real diversity.” [Pelageya]

    Already in my YouTube Favorites. What’s so diverse about it? It’s Russians singing a Russian song.

    Apparently you’re too busy trying to score points here to notice that we listen to more than just American rock or “Top 40” classical like Beethoven’s Ninth, 1812 Overture, etc.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  259. Wilkey says:
    @Art Deco

    Very few people are privileged in any setting. ‘Privilege’ – private law – is a capacity to bring forth favors in defiance of the usual practice

    Don’t be ridiculous. I was using the word “privilege” in the correct sense, where a girl raised in a trailer park and routinely groped by her stepfather is privileged because she is white.

  260. Lloyd1927 says:
    @the one they call Desanex

    The picture of Philip Ewell explains a lot. He is an insecure mulatto trying to prove his loyalty to his black masters. Also, if Ewell loves blacks so much why did he decide to specialize in Russian music? Is he trying to find a Pushkin-like taint of Negro blood in a great Russian composer?

    http://music.hunter.cuny.edu/faculty/full-time-faculty/philip-ewell/

    https://yalemusic.yale.edu/news/statement-support-philip-ewell

    The Great “Black” Man’s “Typical” Black Family:

    https://www.facebook.com/philip.a.ewell

  261. vinteuil says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Is [Schenker] a profound genius or some sort of Kabbalahesque guy who found imaginary patterns everywhere?

    Totally the latter. Schenkerian musical analysis is about as plausible as Freudian psychoanalysis, and well past its sell-by date. Good riddance.

    Still, it’s sad to see him go not for the things he got wrong, but for some of the things he got right.

  262. vinteuil says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    …when a piece of so-called new music was on the program, it was never either the first piece or the last piece. Usually it would be the second piece before intermission or the first of two (if two there were) after intermission. When, in the early sixties, I began to research the orchestra’s programming going back to the start of the twentieth century, I discovered that the tactic could even be seen in programs from the teens and twenties…

    Thanks for this. People just don’t understand for how long this has been going on.

    And they don’t understand that it wasn’t always like this. Around the turn of the 20th century, concert-goers were hungry for the latest big, ambitious works by living composers like Richard Strauss, Jean Sibelius & Sergei Rachmaninov – so much so that they had to be badgered into giving a listen to Bach & Mozart…

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
  263. Jack D says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Hey, American whites didn’t start this fight. Your team did.

    Funny, that’s what Hitler said to Poland.

  264. @Jack D

    Godwin’s Law in action.

    Droll but expected. If it’s always 1965 for liberals, it’s always 1945 for your crew.

    You guys better start working on some new material. Asians and Indians – and increasingly whites – couldn’t care less about about some war half a world away nearly a hundred years ago.

  265. ATBOTL says:
    @Rockford Tyson

    Eminem is two decades past being relevant or cool. No one cares about him. That style of costume play wiggerism that he did is so beyond dead.

  266. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Those kids are not exactly where I go to learn what’s what.

    modicum of respect by occasionally telling the truth

    Your suspicion is correct: I really do believe what I write. So fill me in, what is this deeper truth I’m not saying?

  267. @Kylie

    But you don’t listen to pygmy harmonizing or Italian folk music from the Alan Lomax collection. You just listen to top forty classical. And then Pink Floyd. Hoopdedoo.

    For your information, the 4 singers in the Pelageya video are very diverse: they are, to wit, a Russian, a Ukrainian, a Georgian, and a Tatar. That’s real diversity.

  268. Anon 2 says:
    @Thoughts

    Until the Bolshevik Revolution (1917) Jews were not allowed to live
    in Russia, esp. in Russian cities like Moscow or SPB. When the Jews
    were being expelled from Western Europe in the Middle Ages and
    beyond, they were specifically barred from settling in Russia, so
    they settled mostly in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. They
    found its territory so hospitable that they underwent a population
    explosion so by 1550 about 90% of the world’s Ashkenazi
    Jews lived in Greater Poland. The vast majority of American
    Jews have their ultimate origins in Greater Poland (i.e., Polish-
    Lithuanian Commonwealth) which, in today’s terms, consisted
    roughly of Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, and Western Ukraine

    • Replies: @Anon 2
  269. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    In conclusion, the so-called German Jews and the so-called Russian
    Jews can both trace their origins mostly to Greater Poland

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