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The afternoon high in Kiev all week is going to be above freezing.

Perhaps Global Warming is bogging down the Russian invasion? Maybe the Russians were counting on General Winter — after all, it’s February in Ukraine — to freeze the fields hard but wound up having to stick to the highways due to Marshal Mud?

I’m not sure if this Russian tactic of getting an entire convoy bogged down in a bumper-to-bumper traffic jam in wooded country is wholly optimal:

 
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  1. I doubt the Russian military planners could have been expecting hard-frozen conditions in the Kiev/Kyiv region, at least.

    I just looked up the average temperatures for Kiev/Kyiv.

    February — average low -8C; average high -1C

    March — average low -3C; average high 3C

    So right at the turn of February to March you’d expect an average of something like maybe -4 or -5 at night, and 1-2 during the daytime.

    Translated into Fahrenheit, that’s around 23-24 at night and 34 or so in the daytime, i.e. already thawing a bit. With an average high already above freezing at this time of year, you’d expect plenty of mud already, at least on some days.

    Ukraine is not Siberia.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m on job sites all winter in heavy commercial trucks. Lots of clay and black dirt. It’s a pain in the ass, very easy to get stuck. In order for the ground to freeze deep enough to make a difference, it has to be a good 10 degrees below freezing.

    Deep wet clay is the worst. It’ll pull your boot right off your foot walking through it. Heavy vehicles stand little chance. Once the tanks sink to the point they are resting on their hulls, the tracks just spin. It’s a literal quagmire.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk5, @New Dealer

  2. Why is no one talking about Victoria Nuland’s role in this crisis? She’s pushed the Ukrainian coup back in 2014 that put Zelinsky in power. She’s in the state department.

    They’re both Jewish. I don’t mean that in a conspiratorial way but what are the odds? Two Jews of Ukrainian background working together get rid of a pro-russian government in a coup.

    • Replies: @dnsjdj
    @Good Vibes


    She’s pushed the Ukrainian coup back in 2014 that put Zelinsky in power
     
    🎵 There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza dear Liza 🎵
    , @SIMP simp
    @Good Vibes

    In 2014 Zelensky was a random comedian. He became president after playing the role of president in a sitcom from 2015 to 2019.

  3. Yes, and I bet that scoundrel Putin ordered tanks that had no diesel particle filters and trucks with no catalytic converters.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @The Alarmist

    Furthermore none of those tank drivers seem to be wearing masks…

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  4. What experience are others having getting through to RT.com?

    I can only get to the front page on Firefox, not even there in Edge.

    Some of the headlines are intriguing:

    Russian military offers ‘safe passage’ for evacuation from Kiev

    Ukraine ‘deserves’ emergency EU accession – Zelensky

    Russia takes control of key Ukrainian nuclear plant

    Kiev’s mayor says city ‘encircled,’ then backtracks

    ‘Great Reset’ architect backs Ukraine

    Brazil won’t take sides in Russia-Ukraine conflict – president

    EU to ban RT and Sputnik

    So, who is afraid to let the world actually read those stories?

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @michael droy
    @PhysicistDave

    Everything is filtered now. You can guess or you can go to explicitly Russian sites which turn out to be mostly reliable (at least for now while Russia is progressing nicely).
    eg
    https://en.news-front.info/2022/02/28/denazification-operation-of-ukraine-summary-28-02-updated/

    The simple truth is that military targets have been destroyed.
    They are now targeting those Azov members who are holed up in cities.
    When one side defends from the balconies of tower blocks then either progress is rapid and extremely brutal, or progress is slow, the attackers take high risks and the civilians may be able to escape the town. Russia has a lot of experience of Syria in this. Iraqis both recently and especially in 2003 have a lot of experience of the US method of shock and awe. So do Serbians.

    Btw if anyone thinks denazification is some kind of excuse to invade or has anything to do with attacking jews, they have a lot to uncover. No wonder they want to block RT

    , @Redman
    @PhysicistDave

    The level of US propaganda is 11 and going higher. I’ve never seen anything like this, including after 9/11.

    Actually, after 9/11 there didn’t seem to be any media coordination at all due to the massive confusion. The MSM on this Ukraine situation, however, seems totally coordinated with the same talking points. So will the U.S. announce they’re shutting down RT as well?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon

    , @J.Ross
    @PhysicistDave

    Loads fine on Brave.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @SimpleSong
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't really see any point in reading anything since it is all going to be propaganda, but there's plenty of raw video out there for people who think war is a game.

    Large explosion, likely Russian thermobaric strike on Ukranian ammunition dump:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cwjOvzLXQk

    Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nifxKIhFSuw

    Vladi Klitscko, former heavyweight champion of the world and rich enough to spend the rest of his life on a beach snorting blow and banging hookers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGlR9tY7ys

    Vladimir Putin, bravely risking coronavirus infection during a last ditch attempt at diplomacy.

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b37623934000382793914475943809aeeb50b33b/0_50_6000_3602/master/6000.jpg?width=465&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=a26454cae4f50c5523f53b87f1434c31

    Masks Vladimir! Masks! We can't afford to lose you! Six feet is only a guideline!

    Armored column destroyed by ? Dronestrike? Likely Russian given Z markings.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I8v1TGj5tMk

    More Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHTnJ1y4CI

    More 18 year olds incinerated

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHTJfCb3QE

    Ukranian ambush around Kiev. Russian tracked vehicle swerves for unclear reason, runs over random guy in car. Random guy in car survived, apparently. Russian servicemen killed by small arms fire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmKb8yBolrE

    More Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_huMZ04yIig

    Javelin test versus T-72 with sun visor style armor designed to counteract top attack. (prewar)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCECFlFk_q8&t=1s

    Strangely enough the video says fail, but, uh, it looks to me like the tank is blown up. But what do I know.

    Anatoly Karlin, brave Slav, gets ready for deployment to liberate his fellow Ukranians from the neo-Nazi Jewish boot.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fakarlin.com%2Fstart%2Fkarlin-sword%2F&psig=AOvVaw2iYn1-JMk0HpARRyDhnjle&ust=1646152013301000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPiC76LoovYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

    These are mostly biased towards Russian casualties because that's what's being uploaded, but I'm sure there are plenty of dead Ukranians as well.

    Replies: @Sean, @PiltdownMan

  5. Maunder minimum related cooling may be one of the things motivating the current action. Russians know better than anybody what a significant cooling period would do to Russian agricultural production,

    Expanding West and South does seem to be part of a general strategic plan, maybe Russian climate scientists know something we should be paying attention to. In the meantime, massive increases in fertilizer costs combined with shortening growing seasons in the Northern Hemisphere going to be bad, very bad.

    • LOL: Boo
    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    @theMann

    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier. While stinky, manure breaks down gradually and enhances the soil and promotes a healthy balance between microbes. Working with nature, instead of working against it would also increase the quality of our produce. Big agricultural companies are naturally against this as they want to sell you the overpriced commercial fertilizers to go with their patented GMO seeds, herbicides and pesticides. Our cancer rates go higher every year, which is great for big pharma, which are tied in with big agribusiness to maximize profits at any cost.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Ex Farmer, @GeologyAnonMk5

    , @Boo
    @theMann

    Pure drivel. The Russians are planning for more cities in southern siberia. There are vast, not very glamorous resources that need extraction. The incoming china Russia cooperation, etc. Read Putin's speeches, he says it all, and does it!

    , @pyrrhus
    @theMann

    Indeed, Arctic Ice has been expanding for a couple of years, and cooling always accompanies a solar minimum...

  6. Well giving them some credit, I’m sure they took transport logistics into account somewhat, amongst all the other questions of timing. European sky-high energy prices would be one reason to go now. Biden’s green-light gaffe might be another, as well as his overall decrepitude. Differently, the return to power of Biden’s business-as-usual DC neocon handlers might also inspire a seize-the-day mentality, for all I can read minds.

    Nuremberg laws said something like “starting a war is the highest sin.” I will not contest that, but possibly his extenuating circumstances are as good or better than our last half-a -dozen adventures professed to have. I would give more grace to USA laying down the law in Mexico, than I would for some police action in Botswana.

    And yes, wars can be won or lost on the weather.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @The Ringmaster

    The Ringmaster wrote:


    Nuremberg laws said something like “starting a war is the highest sin.” I will not contest that, but possibly his extenuating circumstances are as good or better than our last half-a -dozen adventures professed to have. I would give more grace to USA laying down the law in Mexico, than I would for some police action in Botswana.
     
    Putin would claim that ongoing aggression by Kiev against the breakaway republics in the Donbass actually started the war.

    Hard for an outsider to say.

    I will say that one of the point of US history that Americans are stunningly (willfully) ignorant of is how the US government always lies about how the other side started hostilities: "Remember the Maine!"; the "Tonkin Gulf incident"; the "attack" by Mexican forces in 1846 in the "disputed" region between the Nueces and the Rio Grande; and on and on.

    And yet Americans keep believing new lies, no matter how well-documented the fact of old lies.

    Replies: @fish, @Paperback Writer, @Anon

  7. @PhysicistDave
    What experience are others having getting through to RT.com?

    I can only get to the front page on Firefox, not even there in Edge.

    Some of the headlines are intriguing:


    Russian military offers 'safe passage' for evacuation from Kiev

    Ukraine ‘deserves’ emergency EU accession – Zelensky

    Russia takes control of key Ukrainian nuclear plant

    Kiev’s mayor says city ‘encircled,’ then backtracks

    ‘Great Reset’ architect backs Ukraine

    Brazil won’t take sides in Russia-Ukraine conflict – president

    EU to ban RT and Sputnik
     

    So, who is afraid to let the world actually read those stories?

    Replies: @michael droy, @Redman, @J.Ross, @SimpleSong

    Everything is filtered now. You can guess or you can go to explicitly Russian sites which turn out to be mostly reliable (at least for now while Russia is progressing nicely).
    eg
    https://en.news-front.info/2022/02/28/denazification-operation-of-ukraine-summary-28-02-updated/

    The simple truth is that military targets have been destroyed.
    They are now targeting those Azov members who are holed up in cities.
    When one side defends from the balconies of tower blocks then either progress is rapid and extremely brutal, or progress is slow, the attackers take high risks and the civilians may be able to escape the town. Russia has a lot of experience of Syria in this. Iraqis both recently and especially in 2003 have a lot of experience of the US method of shock and awe. So do Serbians.

    Btw if anyone thinks denazification is some kind of excuse to invade or has anything to do with attacking jews, they have a lot to uncover. No wonder they want to block RT

  8. @theMann
    Maunder minimum related cooling may be one of the things motivating the current action. Russians know better than anybody what a significant cooling period would do to Russian agricultural production,


    Expanding West and South does seem to be part of a general strategic plan, maybe Russian climate scientists know something we should be paying attention to. In the meantime, massive increases in fertilizer costs combined with shortening growing seasons in the Northern Hemisphere going to be bad, very bad.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Boo, @pyrrhus

    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier. While stinky, manure breaks down gradually and enhances the soil and promotes a healthy balance between microbes. Working with nature, instead of working against it would also increase the quality of our produce. Big agricultural companies are naturally against this as they want to sell you the overpriced commercial fertilizers to go with their patented GMO seeds, herbicides and pesticides. Our cancer rates go higher every year, which is great for big pharma, which are tied in with big agribusiness to maximize profits at any cost.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Joe Paluka


    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier.
     
    I’m with you, brother, but that means more animals like cows, and therefore people eating more meat.

    For some reason, the green freaks dismiss out of hand that ruminants eating grass, which sequesters more carbon than trees, and producing manure that is far more environmentally sound than chemical fertilisers, is actually a far more sustainable eco model than the one where they have us eating bugs and chemically-fertilised plants.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    , @Ex Farmer
    @Joe Paluka

    The farmers have no choice but to put manure on the field, there's no where else to put it. They still have to add fertilizer because the constant outflow of nutrients as they sell their crops and animals. Manure is simply not enough to keep the land from being depleted.
    Crop rotation such as planting soybeans followed by corn will replace some nitrogen, but there are other minerals like phosphorous that can only be replenished by fertilizer.
    Farmers also use very high tech like GPS controlled tractors to apply the minimum required amount of fertilizer. Any excess is waste and cuts into their profits.
    You can travel by bus, plane, car, train on foot or crawl from one place to another, with the destination remaining the same. It's the same with GMO. You can spend generations breeding for a particular trait caused by some random mutation or you can short circuit the process by using a directed genetic change. The means of getting there may change, but the end result is the same.
    Everything we eat is genetically modified without exception. The only variation is in how the genetic modification was completed.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Paluka, @Alrenous

    , @GeologyAnonMk5
    @Joe Paluka

    Abandoning the Haber process is a totally reasonable suggestion if you're comfortable reducing the global population by 60+% through starvation.

  9. @The Last Real Calvinist
    I doubt the Russian military planners could have been expecting hard-frozen conditions in the Kiev/Kyiv region, at least.

    I just looked up the average temperatures for Kiev/Kyiv.

    February -- average low -8C; average high -1C

    March -- average low -3C; average high 3C

    So right at the turn of February to March you'd expect an average of something like maybe -4 or -5 at night, and 1-2 during the daytime.

    Translated into Fahrenheit, that's around 23-24 at night and 34 or so in the daytime, i.e. already thawing a bit. With an average high already above freezing at this time of year, you'd expect plenty of mud already, at least on some days.

    Ukraine is not Siberia.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I’m on job sites all winter in heavy commercial trucks. Lots of clay and black dirt. It’s a pain in the ass, very easy to get stuck. In order for the ground to freeze deep enough to make a difference, it has to be a good 10 degrees below freezing.

    Deep wet clay is the worst. It’ll pull your boot right off your foot walking through it. Heavy vehicles stand little chance. Once the tanks sink to the point they are resting on their hulls, the tracks just spin. It’s a literal quagmire.

    • Replies: @GeologyAnonMk5
    @Mike Tre

    Moscow is the type locale of Muscovite, probably the most well known phyllosillicate mineral, due to the book tabular format its crystals take, and its transparency meaning in olden times a sheet could be pulled off for window glazing.

    It has perfect cleavage on 001 and perfect parting on 110 and 001 axis. With a very small amount of lateral force, a single sheet of muscovite (the sheet form give the name phyllosilicate) three molecules high peels off effortlessly and it's impossible to get traction. Not a fun sedimentary facies to fight a war in.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @New Dealer
    @Mike Tre


    Deep wet clay is the worst. It’ll pull your boot right off your foot walking through it. Heavy vehicles stand little chance. Once the tanks sink to the point they are resting on their hulls, the tracks just spin. It’s a literal quagmire.
     
    First accurate usage of the word literal I've seen this month. Thank you!
  10. @theMann
    Maunder minimum related cooling may be one of the things motivating the current action. Russians know better than anybody what a significant cooling period would do to Russian agricultural production,


    Expanding West and South does seem to be part of a general strategic plan, maybe Russian climate scientists know something we should be paying attention to. In the meantime, massive increases in fertilizer costs combined with shortening growing seasons in the Northern Hemisphere going to be bad, very bad.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Boo, @pyrrhus

    Pure drivel. The Russians are planning for more cities in southern siberia. There are vast, not very glamorous resources that need extraction. The incoming china Russia cooperation, etc. Read Putin’s speeches, he says it all, and does it!

  11. @PhysicistDave
    What experience are others having getting through to RT.com?

    I can only get to the front page on Firefox, not even there in Edge.

    Some of the headlines are intriguing:


    Russian military offers 'safe passage' for evacuation from Kiev

    Ukraine ‘deserves’ emergency EU accession – Zelensky

    Russia takes control of key Ukrainian nuclear plant

    Kiev’s mayor says city ‘encircled,’ then backtracks

    ‘Great Reset’ architect backs Ukraine

    Brazil won’t take sides in Russia-Ukraine conflict – president

    EU to ban RT and Sputnik
     

    So, who is afraid to let the world actually read those stories?

    Replies: @michael droy, @Redman, @J.Ross, @SimpleSong

    The level of US propaganda is 11 and going higher. I’ve never seen anything like this, including after 9/11.

    Actually, after 9/11 there didn’t seem to be any media coordination at all due to the massive confusion. The MSM on this Ukraine situation, however, seems totally coordinated with the same talking points. So will the U.S. announce they’re shutting down RT as well?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Redman

    Agreed, Redman, and I'm just getting it all 2nd-hand, seeing so many posts by Mr. Sailer on this, reading Mr. Derbyshire's latest article, etc. If I were not on the internet, I would have no idea there was this "important war" going on over there.

    Imagine it being 1985, before CNN, before the internet, but let's imagine the Cold War were over and Ukraine a separate land (otherwise, of course, this particular war wouldn't make sense). Once each nightly 1/2 hour newscast, the anchor would give about 45 seconds to this war. That's all it would deserve. Most people would not give it a 2nd thought.

    The media has taken people's minds away.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Redman


    The level of US propaganda is 11 and going higher. I’ve never seen anything like this, including after 9/11.
     
    I agree. American media appears to be completely coordinated and in "war propaganda" mode.
  12. @The Ringmaster
    Well giving them some credit, I'm sure they took transport logistics into account somewhat, amongst all the other questions of timing. European sky-high energy prices would be one reason to go now. Biden's green-light gaffe might be another, as well as his overall decrepitude. Differently, the return to power of Biden's business-as-usual DC neocon handlers might also inspire a seize-the-day mentality, for all I can read minds.

    Nuremberg laws said something like "starting a war is the highest sin." I will not contest that, but possibly his extenuating circumstances are as good or better than our last half-a -dozen adventures professed to have. I would give more grace to USA laying down the law in Mexico, than I would for some police action in Botswana.

    And yes, wars can be won or lost on the weather.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    The Ringmaster wrote:

    Nuremberg laws said something like “starting a war is the highest sin.” I will not contest that, but possibly his extenuating circumstances are as good or better than our last half-a -dozen adventures professed to have. I would give more grace to USA laying down the law in Mexico, than I would for some police action in Botswana.

    Putin would claim that ongoing aggression by Kiev against the breakaway republics in the Donbass actually started the war.

    Hard for an outsider to say.

    I will say that one of the point of US history that Americans are stunningly (willfully) ignorant of is how the US government always lies about how the other side started hostilities: “Remember the Maine!”; the “Tonkin Gulf incident”; the “attack” by Mexican forces in 1846 in the “disputed” region between the Nueces and the Rio Grande; and on and on.

    And yet Americans keep believing new lies, no matter how well-documented the fact of old lies.

    • Replies: @fish
    @PhysicistDave

    We seem to have been "perfectly conditioned".

    , @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave

    https://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/opposition-nato-expansion


    On June 26, a group of 50 prominent foreign policy experts that included former senators, retired military officers, diplomats and academicians, sent an open letter to President Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion. Stanley Resor, chairman of the Board of Directors of the Arms Control Association, spoke at the press conference announcing the letter, focusing on the arms control implications of expansion. Resor's remarks and the group's letter are printed below.
     
    , @Anon
    @PhysicistDave

    "the “attack” by Mexican forces in 1846 in the “disputed” region between the Nueces and the Rio Grande"

    This wasn't a lie, Mexican forces attacked American troops just North of the Rio Grande, the "Thornton Affair". It just depends on which country you agree with on whose sovereign land it was, Texas/USA or Mexico. Mexico claimed that Texas only went to the Nueces River, while the Republic of Texas and later the State of Texas claim it went to the Rio Grande, which Santa Anna signed a treaty agreeing with them that it was the Rio Grande after Texas defeated him at San Jacinto during the Texas War of Independence.

    In addition we don't have proof that they were knowingly lying about the Maine or if the media and the US government used it as a convenient excuse without checking at all. It turned out to be a lie in the sense that it wasn't true obviously, and was a bullshit war.

  13. @Joe Paluka
    @theMann

    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier. While stinky, manure breaks down gradually and enhances the soil and promotes a healthy balance between microbes. Working with nature, instead of working against it would also increase the quality of our produce. Big agricultural companies are naturally against this as they want to sell you the overpriced commercial fertilizers to go with their patented GMO seeds, herbicides and pesticides. Our cancer rates go higher every year, which is great for big pharma, which are tied in with big agribusiness to maximize profits at any cost.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Ex Farmer, @GeologyAnonMk5

    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier.

    I’m with you, brother, but that means more animals like cows, and therefore people eating more meat.

    For some reason, the green freaks dismiss out of hand that ruminants eating grass, which sequesters more carbon than trees, and producing manure that is far more environmentally sound than chemical fertilisers, is actually a far more sustainable eco model than the one where they have us eating bugs and chemically-fertilised plants.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @The Alarmist

    Green freaks are completely irrational...Termites produce at least ten times as much methane as ruminants, but they ignore that fact...

  14. @Good Vibes
    Why is no one talking about Victoria Nuland's role in this crisis? She's pushed the Ukrainian coup back in 2014 that put Zelinsky in power. She's in the state department.

    They're both Jewish. I don't mean that in a conspiratorial way but what are the odds? Two Jews of Ukrainian background working together get rid of a pro-russian government in a coup.

    Replies: @dnsjdj, @SIMP simp

    She’s pushed the Ukrainian coup back in 2014 that put Zelinsky in power

    🎵 There’s a hole in the bucket, dear Liza dear Liza 🎵

  15. The road to Kiev is not The Road to Moscow.

    The best of the History Rock genre, from the guy who invented it, Al Stewart. These lyrics are great! 02:40 – – Winter brought with it the rains, oceans of mud filled the roads, gluing the tracks of the tanks to the ground while the sky filled with snow …”

    Thing is, it would not be a great song without the good melody – love that Spanish guitar.

    BTW, thank you, Steve, for sticking with “Kiev” as the spelling, under pressure from a thousand tweets (such as your weather one). Maybe you could come around to writing “Oriental” again, when your writing warrants it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The best of the History Rock genre, from the guy who invented it, Al Stewart.
     
    I like Napa Al as much as anybody, but long before him there were "The Battle of New Orleans" and "Snoopy vs the Red Baron".


    Not exactly rock 'n' roll, but contemporary to it:


    https://youtu.be/8z9ntoTwQfc

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil

  16. @Redman
    @PhysicistDave

    The level of US propaganda is 11 and going higher. I’ve never seen anything like this, including after 9/11.

    Actually, after 9/11 there didn’t seem to be any media coordination at all due to the massive confusion. The MSM on this Ukraine situation, however, seems totally coordinated with the same talking points. So will the U.S. announce they’re shutting down RT as well?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon

    Agreed, Redman, and I’m just getting it all 2nd-hand, seeing so many posts by Mr. Sailer on this, reading Mr. Derbyshire’s latest article, etc. If I were not on the internet, I would have no idea there was this “important war” going on over there.

    Imagine it being 1985, before CNN, before the internet, but let’s imagine the Cold War were over and Ukraine a separate land (otherwise, of course, this particular war wouldn’t make sense). Once each nightly 1/2 hour newscast, the anchor would give about 45 seconds to this war. That’s all it would deserve. Most people would not give it a 2nd thought.

    The media has taken people’s minds away.

  17. @Joe Paluka
    @theMann

    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier. While stinky, manure breaks down gradually and enhances the soil and promotes a healthy balance between microbes. Working with nature, instead of working against it would also increase the quality of our produce. Big agricultural companies are naturally against this as they want to sell you the overpriced commercial fertilizers to go with their patented GMO seeds, herbicides and pesticides. Our cancer rates go higher every year, which is great for big pharma, which are tied in with big agribusiness to maximize profits at any cost.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Ex Farmer, @GeologyAnonMk5

    The farmers have no choice but to put manure on the field, there’s no where else to put it. They still have to add fertilizer because the constant outflow of nutrients as they sell their crops and animals. Manure is simply not enough to keep the land from being depleted.
    Crop rotation such as planting soybeans followed by corn will replace some nitrogen, but there are other minerals like phosphorous that can only be replenished by fertilizer.
    Farmers also use very high tech like GPS controlled tractors to apply the minimum required amount of fertilizer. Any excess is waste and cuts into their profits.
    You can travel by bus, plane, car, train on foot or crawl from one place to another, with the destination remaining the same. It’s the same with GMO. You can spend generations breeding for a particular trait caused by some random mutation or you can short circuit the process by using a directed genetic change. The means of getting there may change, but the end result is the same.
    Everything we eat is genetically modified without exception. The only variation is in how the genetic modification was completed.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Ex Farmer

    "GMO" doesn't mean "genetically modified," it embraces the raft of scandals Monsanto brought down on its head, such as suing farmers for "stealing" seeds which had accidentally fallen onto their land, or engineering plants which yield no "free" seeds. You can persist in using the uselessly literal meaning, but people will start accusing you of being a paid shill.

    , @Joe Paluka
    @Ex Farmer

    The supply of Potash won't be a problem (unless Biden bans it's transport) as Canada is the biggest producer in the world.

    I don't deny that most what we eat has been genetically modified in some way or another, but I don't equate the traditional crossbreeding of plants with the modern genetic modification techniques which put genes into plants that never would've got into them naturally. There are too many unintended consequences with genetic manipulation as we have seen with this whole covid pandemic. I'll put my trust in the old tried and true methods thanks.

    , @Alrenous
    @Ex Farmer


    "Manure was spread as fertilizer on about 15.8 million acres of U.S. cropland in 2006, just 5 percent of total planted acreage of 315.8 million acres"
     
    https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/42731/16741_ap037b_1_.pdf?v=41055

    That's certainly the shill take on GMO as well. In theory it could be used as you describe. In practice, they are incompetent. It's little more than genetic vandalism, a child finger-painting on Nature's glorious walls.

    Anyway the problem with manure is there is indeed plenty of manure: human manure. Which is where the nutritional elements in the crops are going. Somehow there's always somewhere to put this that isn't the fields. I understand most of the nutrition ends up in the ocean. Genius policy from the great minds that brought us the Dust Bowl.

    Sure we could have more ranching as per @The Alarmist, but this merely moves the issue one step further back. Instead of depleting corn land, it's depleting hay land. Yay.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  18. @PhysicistDave
    What experience are others having getting through to RT.com?

    I can only get to the front page on Firefox, not even there in Edge.

    Some of the headlines are intriguing:


    Russian military offers 'safe passage' for evacuation from Kiev

    Ukraine ‘deserves’ emergency EU accession – Zelensky

    Russia takes control of key Ukrainian nuclear plant

    Kiev’s mayor says city ‘encircled,’ then backtracks

    ‘Great Reset’ architect backs Ukraine

    Brazil won’t take sides in Russia-Ukraine conflict – president

    EU to ban RT and Sputnik
     

    So, who is afraid to let the world actually read those stories?

    Replies: @michael droy, @Redman, @J.Ross, @SimpleSong

    Loads fine on Brave.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @J.Ross

    Still does. Everyone should be using Brave for simple web browsing.

  19. @Ex Farmer
    @Joe Paluka

    The farmers have no choice but to put manure on the field, there's no where else to put it. They still have to add fertilizer because the constant outflow of nutrients as they sell their crops and animals. Manure is simply not enough to keep the land from being depleted.
    Crop rotation such as planting soybeans followed by corn will replace some nitrogen, but there are other minerals like phosphorous that can only be replenished by fertilizer.
    Farmers also use very high tech like GPS controlled tractors to apply the minimum required amount of fertilizer. Any excess is waste and cuts into their profits.
    You can travel by bus, plane, car, train on foot or crawl from one place to another, with the destination remaining the same. It's the same with GMO. You can spend generations breeding for a particular trait caused by some random mutation or you can short circuit the process by using a directed genetic change. The means of getting there may change, but the end result is the same.
    Everything we eat is genetically modified without exception. The only variation is in how the genetic modification was completed.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Paluka, @Alrenous

    “GMO” doesn’t mean “genetically modified,” it embraces the raft of scandals Monsanto brought down on its head, such as suing farmers for “stealing” seeds which had accidentally fallen onto their land, or engineering plants which yield no “free” seeds. You can persist in using the uselessly literal meaning, but people will start accusing you of being a paid shill.

  20. @Ex Farmer
    @Joe Paluka

    The farmers have no choice but to put manure on the field, there's no where else to put it. They still have to add fertilizer because the constant outflow of nutrients as they sell their crops and animals. Manure is simply not enough to keep the land from being depleted.
    Crop rotation such as planting soybeans followed by corn will replace some nitrogen, but there are other minerals like phosphorous that can only be replenished by fertilizer.
    Farmers also use very high tech like GPS controlled tractors to apply the minimum required amount of fertilizer. Any excess is waste and cuts into their profits.
    You can travel by bus, plane, car, train on foot or crawl from one place to another, with the destination remaining the same. It's the same with GMO. You can spend generations breeding for a particular trait caused by some random mutation or you can short circuit the process by using a directed genetic change. The means of getting there may change, but the end result is the same.
    Everything we eat is genetically modified without exception. The only variation is in how the genetic modification was completed.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Paluka, @Alrenous

    The supply of Potash won’t be a problem (unless Biden bans it’s transport) as Canada is the biggest producer in the world.

    I don’t deny that most what we eat has been genetically modified in some way or another, but I don’t equate the traditional crossbreeding of plants with the modern genetic modification techniques which put genes into plants that never would’ve got into them naturally. There are too many unintended consequences with genetic manipulation as we have seen with this whole covid pandemic. I’ll put my trust in the old tried and true methods thanks.

  21. Kiev on average is warmer than upstate NY this time of year. Much of Ukraine is warmer than Kiev on average. Misjudging the weather conditions has nothing to do with the strategy or tactics of this war.

  22. Loads of my fellow Britons babbling ill informed anti-Russian propaganda and stupidly calling for actions that would cause a nuclear war.

    Sadly one of them is our Foreign Secretary.

  23. @theMann
    Maunder minimum related cooling may be one of the things motivating the current action. Russians know better than anybody what a significant cooling period would do to Russian agricultural production,


    Expanding West and South does seem to be part of a general strategic plan, maybe Russian climate scientists know something we should be paying attention to. In the meantime, massive increases in fertilizer costs combined with shortening growing seasons in the Northern Hemisphere going to be bad, very bad.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @Boo, @pyrrhus

    Indeed, Arctic Ice has been expanding for a couple of years, and cooling always accompanies a solar minimum…

  24. @The Alarmist
    @Joe Paluka


    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier.
     
    I’m with you, brother, but that means more animals like cows, and therefore people eating more meat.

    For some reason, the green freaks dismiss out of hand that ruminants eating grass, which sequesters more carbon than trees, and producing manure that is far more environmentally sound than chemical fertilisers, is actually a far more sustainable eco model than the one where they have us eating bugs and chemically-fertilised plants.

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    Green freaks are completely irrational…Termites produce at least ten times as much methane as ruminants, but they ignore that fact…

  25. @Redman
    @PhysicistDave

    The level of US propaganda is 11 and going higher. I’ve never seen anything like this, including after 9/11.

    Actually, after 9/11 there didn’t seem to be any media coordination at all due to the massive confusion. The MSM on this Ukraine situation, however, seems totally coordinated with the same talking points. So will the U.S. announce they’re shutting down RT as well?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon

    The level of US propaganda is 11 and going higher. I’ve never seen anything like this, including after 9/11.

    I agree. American media appears to be completely coordinated and in “war propaganda” mode.

    • Agree: George Taylor
  26. Modern Ukraine is easier to attack than it used to be. It has a better road network than it had during World War II. The notorious mud is not so much of a problem anymore.

  27. @PhysicistDave
    What experience are others having getting through to RT.com?

    I can only get to the front page on Firefox, not even there in Edge.

    Some of the headlines are intriguing:


    Russian military offers 'safe passage' for evacuation from Kiev

    Ukraine ‘deserves’ emergency EU accession – Zelensky

    Russia takes control of key Ukrainian nuclear plant

    Kiev’s mayor says city ‘encircled,’ then backtracks

    ‘Great Reset’ architect backs Ukraine

    Brazil won’t take sides in Russia-Ukraine conflict – president

    EU to ban RT and Sputnik
     

    So, who is afraid to let the world actually read those stories?

    Replies: @michael droy, @Redman, @J.Ross, @SimpleSong

    I don’t really see any point in reading anything since it is all going to be propaganda, but there’s plenty of raw video out there for people who think war is a game.

    Large explosion, likely Russian thermobaric strike on Ukranian ammunition dump:

    Russian POWs

    Vladi Klitscko, former heavyweight champion of the world and rich enough to spend the rest of his life on a beach snorting blow and banging hookers

    Vladimir Putin, bravely risking coronavirus infection during a last ditch attempt at diplomacy.

    Masks Vladimir! Masks! We can’t afford to lose you! Six feet is only a guideline!

    Armored column destroyed by ? Dronestrike? Likely Russian given Z markings.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I8v1TGj5tMk

    More Russian POWs

    More 18 year olds incinerated

    Ukranian ambush around Kiev. Russian tracked vehicle swerves for unclear reason, runs over random guy in car. Random guy in car survived, apparently. Russian servicemen killed by small arms fire.

    More Russian POWs

    Javelin test versus T-72 with sun visor style armor designed to counteract top attack. (prewar)

    Strangely enough the video says fail, but, uh, it looks to me like the tank is blown up. But what do I know.

    Anatoly Karlin, brave Slav, gets ready for deployment to liberate his fellow Ukranians from the neo-Nazi Jewish boot.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fakarlin.com%2Fstart%2Fkarlin-sword%2F&psig=AOvVaw2iYn1-JMk0HpARRyDhnjle&ust=1646152013301000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPiC76LoovYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

    These are mostly biased towards Russian casualties because that’s what’s being uploaded, but I’m sure there are plenty of dead Ukranians as well.

    • Thanks: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @Sean
    @SimpleSong

    It is mainly Russians being killed.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @SimpleSong

    The ubiquity of video in 2022, and its very nature, visual, makes video testimony and evidence immediately credible at an unconscious level.

    But what we know about wartime propaganda, and the ease these days, of producing video footage, should make us cautious.

    The burned out vehicles could just as well be Ukrainian, rather than Russian. Who is to tell, from far away, or on a cell phone? A Western TV camera crew is easily fooled on a guided tour conducted by a Ukrainian intermediary. Similarly, the captured prisoners footage could simply be staged. Ukrainians are near clones of Russians, after all, and many are Russian speaking.

    I do know that almost everything I see comes from Ukraine or Ukrainians. The Russians seem to be way behind the curve in the propaganda war, almost silent, in terms of battlefield reportage.

    Cum grano salis. With a grain of salt.

  28. The Russians have a saying: Tanks are not afraid of mud

  29. I think a big piece of any problems the Russian’s may, or may not, who knows the truth? Might be Putin’s stated desire to avoid civilian casualties. (Apart from the obligatory bayonetting of babies and pregnant women, of course).

  30. @PhysicistDave
    @The Ringmaster

    The Ringmaster wrote:


    Nuremberg laws said something like “starting a war is the highest sin.” I will not contest that, but possibly his extenuating circumstances are as good or better than our last half-a -dozen adventures professed to have. I would give more grace to USA laying down the law in Mexico, than I would for some police action in Botswana.
     
    Putin would claim that ongoing aggression by Kiev against the breakaway republics in the Donbass actually started the war.

    Hard for an outsider to say.

    I will say that one of the point of US history that Americans are stunningly (willfully) ignorant of is how the US government always lies about how the other side started hostilities: "Remember the Maine!"; the "Tonkin Gulf incident"; the "attack" by Mexican forces in 1846 in the "disputed" region between the Nueces and the Rio Grande; and on and on.

    And yet Americans keep believing new lies, no matter how well-documented the fact of old lies.

    Replies: @fish, @Paperback Writer, @Anon

    We seem to have been “perfectly conditioned”.

  31. @J.Ross
    @PhysicistDave

    Loads fine on Brave.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Still does. Everyone should be using Brave for simple web browsing.

  32. @PhysicistDave
    @The Ringmaster

    The Ringmaster wrote:


    Nuremberg laws said something like “starting a war is the highest sin.” I will not contest that, but possibly his extenuating circumstances are as good or better than our last half-a -dozen adventures professed to have. I would give more grace to USA laying down the law in Mexico, than I would for some police action in Botswana.
     
    Putin would claim that ongoing aggression by Kiev against the breakaway republics in the Donbass actually started the war.

    Hard for an outsider to say.

    I will say that one of the point of US history that Americans are stunningly (willfully) ignorant of is how the US government always lies about how the other side started hostilities: "Remember the Maine!"; the "Tonkin Gulf incident"; the "attack" by Mexican forces in 1846 in the "disputed" region between the Nueces and the Rio Grande; and on and on.

    And yet Americans keep believing new lies, no matter how well-documented the fact of old lies.

    Replies: @fish, @Paperback Writer, @Anon

    https://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/opposition-nato-expansion

    On June 26, a group of 50 prominent foreign policy experts that included former senators, retired military officers, diplomats and academicians, sent an open letter to President Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion. Stanley Resor, chairman of the Board of Directors of the Arms Control Association, spoke at the press conference announcing the letter, focusing on the arms control implications of expansion. Resor’s remarks and the group’s letter are printed below.

  33. @Ex Farmer
    @Joe Paluka

    The farmers have no choice but to put manure on the field, there's no where else to put it. They still have to add fertilizer because the constant outflow of nutrients as they sell their crops and animals. Manure is simply not enough to keep the land from being depleted.
    Crop rotation such as planting soybeans followed by corn will replace some nitrogen, but there are other minerals like phosphorous that can only be replenished by fertilizer.
    Farmers also use very high tech like GPS controlled tractors to apply the minimum required amount of fertilizer. Any excess is waste and cuts into their profits.
    You can travel by bus, plane, car, train on foot or crawl from one place to another, with the destination remaining the same. It's the same with GMO. You can spend generations breeding for a particular trait caused by some random mutation or you can short circuit the process by using a directed genetic change. The means of getting there may change, but the end result is the same.
    Everything we eat is genetically modified without exception. The only variation is in how the genetic modification was completed.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Paluka, @Alrenous

    “Manure was spread as fertilizer on about 15.8 million acres of U.S. cropland in 2006, just 5 percent of total planted acreage of 315.8 million acres”

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/42731/16741_ap037b_1_.pdf?v=41055

    That’s certainly the shill take on GMO as well. In theory it could be used as you describe. In practice, they are incompetent. It’s little more than genetic vandalism, a child finger-painting on Nature’s glorious walls.

    Anyway the problem with manure is there is indeed plenty of manure: human manure. Which is where the nutritional elements in the crops are going. Somehow there’s always somewhere to put this that isn’t the fields. I understand most of the nutrition ends up in the ocean. Genius policy from the great minds that brought us the Dust Bowl.

    Sure we could have more ranching as per , but this merely moves the issue one step further back. Instead of depleting corn land, it’s depleting hay land. Yay.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Alrenous

    Anyway the problem with manure is there is indeed plenty of manure: human manure. Which is where the nutritional elements in the crops are going. Somehow there’s always somewhere to put this that isn’t the fields. I understand most of the nutrition ends up in the ocean. Genius policy from the great minds that brought us the Dust Bowl.

    No most of it is buried.

    I actually doubt the economics would work out anyways.

    It has to be treated and then sit for months before it is considered safe. Probably cheaper to just import from somewhere else.

    That is really why it isn't used. The pathogen risk is far higher and thus requires additional processing steps.

    Fertilizer is also better if it comes from plant eating animals. Dog waste isn't that good for this reason and dog food is still mostly vegetarian. Americans eat a lot of meat and dairy.

    Then there are all the drugs that Americans ingest. I really don't want all of that on farmland.

    Replies: @Alrenous

  34. @Good Vibes
    Why is no one talking about Victoria Nuland's role in this crisis? She's pushed the Ukrainian coup back in 2014 that put Zelinsky in power. She's in the state department.

    They're both Jewish. I don't mean that in a conspiratorial way but what are the odds? Two Jews of Ukrainian background working together get rid of a pro-russian government in a coup.

    Replies: @dnsjdj, @SIMP simp

    In 2014 Zelensky was a random comedian. He became president after playing the role of president in a sitcom from 2015 to 2019.

  35. @Mike Tre
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m on job sites all winter in heavy commercial trucks. Lots of clay and black dirt. It’s a pain in the ass, very easy to get stuck. In order for the ground to freeze deep enough to make a difference, it has to be a good 10 degrees below freezing.

    Deep wet clay is the worst. It’ll pull your boot right off your foot walking through it. Heavy vehicles stand little chance. Once the tanks sink to the point they are resting on their hulls, the tracks just spin. It’s a literal quagmire.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk5, @New Dealer

    Moscow is the type locale of Muscovite, probably the most well known phyllosillicate mineral, due to the book tabular format its crystals take, and its transparency meaning in olden times a sheet could be pulled off for window glazing.

    It has perfect cleavage on 001 and perfect parting on 110 and 001 axis. With a very small amount of lateral force, a single sheet of muscovite (the sheet form give the name phyllosilicate) three molecules high peels off effortlessly and it’s impossible to get traction. Not a fun sedimentary facies to fight a war in.

    • Thanks: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @GeologyAnonMk5

    i have no idea what you just said.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk5

  36. @Joe Paluka
    @theMann

    US farmers should go back to using manure rather than commercial fertilizers, the environment would be much healthier. While stinky, manure breaks down gradually and enhances the soil and promotes a healthy balance between microbes. Working with nature, instead of working against it would also increase the quality of our produce. Big agricultural companies are naturally against this as they want to sell you the overpriced commercial fertilizers to go with their patented GMO seeds, herbicides and pesticides. Our cancer rates go higher every year, which is great for big pharma, which are tied in with big agribusiness to maximize profits at any cost.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Ex Farmer, @GeologyAnonMk5

    Abandoning the Haber process is a totally reasonable suggestion if you’re comfortable reducing the global population by 60+% through starvation.

  37. Sorry about this, can’t resist.

  38. @SimpleSong
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't really see any point in reading anything since it is all going to be propaganda, but there's plenty of raw video out there for people who think war is a game.

    Large explosion, likely Russian thermobaric strike on Ukranian ammunition dump:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cwjOvzLXQk

    Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nifxKIhFSuw

    Vladi Klitscko, former heavyweight champion of the world and rich enough to spend the rest of his life on a beach snorting blow and banging hookers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGlR9tY7ys

    Vladimir Putin, bravely risking coronavirus infection during a last ditch attempt at diplomacy.

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b37623934000382793914475943809aeeb50b33b/0_50_6000_3602/master/6000.jpg?width=465&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=a26454cae4f50c5523f53b87f1434c31

    Masks Vladimir! Masks! We can't afford to lose you! Six feet is only a guideline!

    Armored column destroyed by ? Dronestrike? Likely Russian given Z markings.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I8v1TGj5tMk

    More Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHTnJ1y4CI

    More 18 year olds incinerated

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHTJfCb3QE

    Ukranian ambush around Kiev. Russian tracked vehicle swerves for unclear reason, runs over random guy in car. Random guy in car survived, apparently. Russian servicemen killed by small arms fire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmKb8yBolrE

    More Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_huMZ04yIig

    Javelin test versus T-72 with sun visor style armor designed to counteract top attack. (prewar)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCECFlFk_q8&t=1s

    Strangely enough the video says fail, but, uh, it looks to me like the tank is blown up. But what do I know.

    Anatoly Karlin, brave Slav, gets ready for deployment to liberate his fellow Ukranians from the neo-Nazi Jewish boot.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fakarlin.com%2Fstart%2Fkarlin-sword%2F&psig=AOvVaw2iYn1-JMk0HpARRyDhnjle&ust=1646152013301000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPiC76LoovYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

    These are mostly biased towards Russian casualties because that's what's being uploaded, but I'm sure there are plenty of dead Ukranians as well.

    Replies: @Sean, @PiltdownMan

    It is mainly Russians being killed.

  39. @GeologyAnonMk5
    @Mike Tre

    Moscow is the type locale of Muscovite, probably the most well known phyllosillicate mineral, due to the book tabular format its crystals take, and its transparency meaning in olden times a sheet could be pulled off for window glazing.

    It has perfect cleavage on 001 and perfect parting on 110 and 001 axis. With a very small amount of lateral force, a single sheet of muscovite (the sheet form give the name phyllosilicate) three molecules high peels off effortlessly and it's impossible to get traction. Not a fun sedimentary facies to fight a war in.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    i have no idea what you just said.

    • Replies: @GeologyAnonMk5
    @Mike Tre

    That is the mineralogical reason behind the phenomenon you are experiencing. Maybe if more people were aware of it, we would have fewer stalled armor offensives, globally.

  40. @Mike Tre
    @GeologyAnonMk5

    i have no idea what you just said.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk5

    That is the mineralogical reason behind the phenomenon you are experiencing. Maybe if more people were aware of it, we would have fewer stalled armor offensives, globally.

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
  41. @Achmed E. Newman
    The road to Kiev is not The Road to Moscow.

    The best of the History Rock genre, from the guy who invented it, Al Stewart. These lyrics are great! 02:40 - - Winter brought with it the rains, oceans of mud filled the roads, gluing the tracks of the tanks to the ground while the sky filled with snow ..."

    Thing is, it would not be a great song without the good melody - love that Spanish guitar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOx1qNUMnCc

    BTW, thank you, Steve, for sticking with "Kiev" as the spelling, under pressure from a thousand tweets (such as your weather one). Maybe you could come around to writing "Oriental" again, when your writing warrants it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The best of the History Rock genre, from the guy who invented it, Al Stewart.

    I like Napa Al as much as anybody, but long before him there were “The Battle of New Orleans” and “Snoopy vs the Red Baron”.

    Not exactly rock ‘n’ roll, but contemporary to it:

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Reg Cæsar

    Let's not forget Acadian Driftwood by The Band, although it's not entirely historically accurate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycgViWySeE

  42. I’ve always thought that Germany would have defeated Russia if they had stockpiled gravel, and had a few ‘Railcar Mounted Radial Stacker Belt Conveyor’ trains to deliver it. That would have tamed General Mud pretty quick.

    • Replies: @The Plutonium Kid
    @Veteran Aryan

    I've sometimes thought that if Hitler hadn't lost so much time rescuing his incompetent pal Mussolini from his disastrous invasion of Greece, he'd have had the entire summer to focus on Barbarossa and might have succeeded in dealing the Soviet Union a quick knockout blow. Refraining from needlessly brutalizing non-Russians in the Soviet Union would have been a big help, too.

  43. Many people forget that in Europe the isotherms are nearly vertical,
    i.e. it gets colder primarily going west to east rather than north. Hence, on
    the average, Germany is colder than France, Poland is colder than Germany,
    Belarus and northern Ukraine are colder than Poland, and Russia
    is coldest of them all. However, due to global warming the word ‘colder’
    should currently be replaced by ‘a bit colder.’ The mud problem begins in Belarus
    and Ukraine. Interestingly, Poland, and Central Europe in general, have
    no mud problem to speak of. It’s striking how the population density drops
    sharply as you cross the border from Poland to Belarus and Ukraine (and
    Russia), i.e., as you move from Central to Eastern Europe. Apparently,
    living conditions are much harsher climatically and geologically in Eastern Europe
    compared to Central Europe (Visegrad 4 countries).

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    Continuing my previous post, France is nearly perfect climatically.
    It has no hurricanes, no earthquakes, and the French hexagon has
    nearly natural borders. That’s probably why so few French emigrated
    abroad, at least compared to the Brits and the Germans.

    Henry Miller (1891-1980) arrived in Paris in 1930 alone and penniless.
    The first year he slept on park benches, and yet he was ecstatic because
    he was in Paris - the city of writers. He’d get a small stipend from the
    U.S. every month, which he’d promptly spend on booze and
    prostitutes. Then Anaïs Nin started supporting him with her husband’s
    money, he started writing “Tropic of Cancer,” and the rest is history.
    The point is that the mystical light from the Mediterranean reaches
    as far north as Paris, and is probably very inspiring to artists.

    Replies: @Anon 2

  44. @Anon 2
    Many people forget that in Europe the isotherms are nearly vertical,
    i.e. it gets colder primarily going west to east rather than north. Hence, on
    the average, Germany is colder than France, Poland is colder than Germany,
    Belarus and northern Ukraine are colder than Poland, and Russia
    is coldest of them all. However, due to global warming the word ‘colder’
    should currently be replaced by ‘a bit colder.’ The mud problem begins in Belarus
    and Ukraine. Interestingly, Poland, and Central Europe in general, have
    no mud problem to speak of. It’s striking how the population density drops
    sharply as you cross the border from Poland to Belarus and Ukraine (and
    Russia), i.e., as you move from Central to Eastern Europe. Apparently,
    living conditions are much harsher climatically and geologically in Eastern Europe
    compared to Central Europe (Visegrad 4 countries).

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Continuing my previous post, France is nearly perfect climatically.
    It has no hurricanes, no earthquakes, and the French hexagon has
    nearly natural borders. That’s probably why so few French emigrated
    abroad, at least compared to the Brits and the Germans.

    Henry Miller (1891-1980) arrived in Paris in 1930 alone and penniless.
    The first year he slept on park benches, and yet he was ecstatic because
    he was in Paris – the city of writers. He’d get a small stipend from the
    U.S. every month, which he’d promptly spend on booze and
    prostitutes. Then Anaïs Nin started supporting him with her husband’s
    money, he started writing “Tropic of Cancer,” and the rest is history.
    The point is that the mystical light from the Mediterranean reaches
    as far north as Paris, and is probably very inspiring to artists.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    What I’m leading to is that efffectively banning the Russians from
    the EU will be a much harsher punishment than most people think.
    When Ukrainians move to Poland, what is the first thing they want
    to do? They can’t wait to visit France and Italy. Germany they
    couldn’t care less about but “give me France or Italy, please.”

    Replies: @John Johnson

  45. @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    Continuing my previous post, France is nearly perfect climatically.
    It has no hurricanes, no earthquakes, and the French hexagon has
    nearly natural borders. That’s probably why so few French emigrated
    abroad, at least compared to the Brits and the Germans.

    Henry Miller (1891-1980) arrived in Paris in 1930 alone and penniless.
    The first year he slept on park benches, and yet he was ecstatic because
    he was in Paris - the city of writers. He’d get a small stipend from the
    U.S. every month, which he’d promptly spend on booze and
    prostitutes. Then Anaïs Nin started supporting him with her husband’s
    money, he started writing “Tropic of Cancer,” and the rest is history.
    The point is that the mystical light from the Mediterranean reaches
    as far north as Paris, and is probably very inspiring to artists.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    What I’m leading to is that efffectively banning the Russians from
    the EU will be a much harsher punishment than most people think.
    When Ukrainians move to Poland, what is the first thing they want
    to do? They can’t wait to visit France and Italy. Germany they
    couldn’t care less about but “give me France or Italy, please.”

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Anon 2

    They can’t wait to visit France and Italy. Germany they
    couldn’t care less about but “give me France or Italy, please.”

    When was the last time you went to France?

    Even liberals I know have nothing nice to say about Paris.

    They say nothing but I know what they are thinking:

    Third worlder immigration has ruined it.

    Of course the experience doesn't make them any less liberal. Can't get off the train at this point. White people must still somehow be to blame. History demands it.

  46. @SimpleSong
    @PhysicistDave

    I don't really see any point in reading anything since it is all going to be propaganda, but there's plenty of raw video out there for people who think war is a game.

    Large explosion, likely Russian thermobaric strike on Ukranian ammunition dump:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cwjOvzLXQk

    Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nifxKIhFSuw

    Vladi Klitscko, former heavyweight champion of the world and rich enough to spend the rest of his life on a beach snorting blow and banging hookers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGlR9tY7ys

    Vladimir Putin, bravely risking coronavirus infection during a last ditch attempt at diplomacy.

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b37623934000382793914475943809aeeb50b33b/0_50_6000_3602/master/6000.jpg?width=465&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=a26454cae4f50c5523f53b87f1434c31

    Masks Vladimir! Masks! We can't afford to lose you! Six feet is only a guideline!

    Armored column destroyed by ? Dronestrike? Likely Russian given Z markings.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/I8v1TGj5tMk

    More Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHTnJ1y4CI

    More 18 year olds incinerated

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAHTJfCb3QE

    Ukranian ambush around Kiev. Russian tracked vehicle swerves for unclear reason, runs over random guy in car. Random guy in car survived, apparently. Russian servicemen killed by small arms fire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmKb8yBolrE

    More Russian POWs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_huMZ04yIig

    Javelin test versus T-72 with sun visor style armor designed to counteract top attack. (prewar)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCECFlFk_q8&t=1s

    Strangely enough the video says fail, but, uh, it looks to me like the tank is blown up. But what do I know.

    Anatoly Karlin, brave Slav, gets ready for deployment to liberate his fellow Ukranians from the neo-Nazi Jewish boot.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fakarlin.com%2Fstart%2Fkarlin-sword%2F&psig=AOvVaw2iYn1-JMk0HpARRyDhnjle&ust=1646152013301000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPiC76LoovYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

    These are mostly biased towards Russian casualties because that's what's being uploaded, but I'm sure there are plenty of dead Ukranians as well.

    Replies: @Sean, @PiltdownMan

    The ubiquity of video in 2022, and its very nature, visual, makes video testimony and evidence immediately credible at an unconscious level.

    But what we know about wartime propaganda, and the ease these days, of producing video footage, should make us cautious.

    The burned out vehicles could just as well be Ukrainian, rather than Russian. Who is to tell, from far away, or on a cell phone? A Western TV camera crew is easily fooled on a guided tour conducted by a Ukrainian intermediary. Similarly, the captured prisoners footage could simply be staged. Ukrainians are near clones of Russians, after all, and many are Russian speaking.

    I do know that almost everything I see comes from Ukraine or Ukrainians. The Russians seem to be way behind the curve in the propaganda war, almost silent, in terms of battlefield reportage.

    Cum grano salis. With a grain of salt.

  47. What I don’t get about these Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian convoys is, where’s the Russian Air Force?

    I thought the Russians had achieved air superiority on the very first night by destroying all the military airports and their control equipment. And even if they didn’t, don’t their convoys have air cover? A 40 foot wingspan Turkish drone buzzing around in circles at 80 mph should be easy enough to spot on radar and shoot down.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @PiltdownMan

    There are 6 machines like that in the Ukie Arsenal. Most were controlled by the Navy. So they have been used in the south. 2 of the 6 have been shot down already.

  48. @The Alarmist
    Yes, and I bet that scoundrel Putin ordered tanks that had no diesel particle filters and trucks with no catalytic converters.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Furthermore none of those tank drivers seem to be wearing masks…

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Ganderson

    On top of everything else, those sinister Russkies are Granny Killers.

    I heard the two wannabes who replaced Limbaugh opining on the need for the US to push for a war-crimes investigation and tribunal, and could not help but think that in a sane world, that’s a stone that would not be cast.

  49. @Mike Tre
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I’m on job sites all winter in heavy commercial trucks. Lots of clay and black dirt. It’s a pain in the ass, very easy to get stuck. In order for the ground to freeze deep enough to make a difference, it has to be a good 10 degrees below freezing.

    Deep wet clay is the worst. It’ll pull your boot right off your foot walking through it. Heavy vehicles stand little chance. Once the tanks sink to the point they are resting on their hulls, the tracks just spin. It’s a literal quagmire.

    Replies: @GeologyAnonMk5, @New Dealer

    Deep wet clay is the worst. It’ll pull your boot right off your foot walking through it. Heavy vehicles stand little chance. Once the tanks sink to the point they are resting on their hulls, the tracks just spin. It’s a literal quagmire.

    First accurate usage of the word literal I’ve seen this month. Thank you!

  50. @PiltdownMan
    What I don't get about these Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian convoys is, where's the Russian Air Force?

    I thought the Russians had achieved air superiority on the very first night by destroying all the military airports and their control equipment. And even if they didn't, don't their convoys have air cover? A 40 foot wingspan Turkish drone buzzing around in circles at 80 mph should be easy enough to spot on radar and shoot down.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    There are 6 machines like that in the Ukie Arsenal. Most were controlled by the Navy. So they have been used in the south. 2 of the 6 have been shot down already.

  51. @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    What I’m leading to is that efffectively banning the Russians from
    the EU will be a much harsher punishment than most people think.
    When Ukrainians move to Poland, what is the first thing they want
    to do? They can’t wait to visit France and Italy. Germany they
    couldn’t care less about but “give me France or Italy, please.”

    Replies: @John Johnson

    They can’t wait to visit France and Italy. Germany they
    couldn’t care less about but “give me France or Italy, please.”

    When was the last time you went to France?

    Even liberals I know have nothing nice to say about Paris.

    They say nothing but I know what they are thinking:

    Third worlder immigration has ruined it.

    Of course the experience doesn’t make them any less liberal. Can’t get off the train at this point. White people must still somehow be to blame. History demands it.

  52. @Alrenous
    @Ex Farmer


    "Manure was spread as fertilizer on about 15.8 million acres of U.S. cropland in 2006, just 5 percent of total planted acreage of 315.8 million acres"
     
    https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/42731/16741_ap037b_1_.pdf?v=41055

    That's certainly the shill take on GMO as well. In theory it could be used as you describe. In practice, they are incompetent. It's little more than genetic vandalism, a child finger-painting on Nature's glorious walls.

    Anyway the problem with manure is there is indeed plenty of manure: human manure. Which is where the nutritional elements in the crops are going. Somehow there's always somewhere to put this that isn't the fields. I understand most of the nutrition ends up in the ocean. Genius policy from the great minds that brought us the Dust Bowl.

    Sure we could have more ranching as per @The Alarmist, but this merely moves the issue one step further back. Instead of depleting corn land, it's depleting hay land. Yay.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Anyway the problem with manure is there is indeed plenty of manure: human manure. Which is where the nutritional elements in the crops are going. Somehow there’s always somewhere to put this that isn’t the fields. I understand most of the nutrition ends up in the ocean. Genius policy from the great minds that brought us the Dust Bowl.

    No most of it is buried.

    I actually doubt the economics would work out anyways.

    It has to be treated and then sit for months before it is considered safe. Probably cheaper to just import from somewhere else.

    That is really why it isn’t used. The pathogen risk is far higher and thus requires additional processing steps.

    Fertilizer is also better if it comes from plant eating animals. Dog waste isn’t that good for this reason and dog food is still mostly vegetarian. Americans eat a lot of meat and dairy.

    Then there are all the drugs that Americans ingest. I really don’t want all of that on farmland.

    • Replies: @Alrenous
    @John Johnson

    An extremely American take.

    "It's okay to wash all our farmland into the ocean because I don't like the costs of the alternative."

    Result: every American is now suffering from malnutrition. "Yeah but human poo is gross." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The best of the History Rock genre, from the guy who invented it, Al Stewart.
     
    I like Napa Al as much as anybody, but long before him there were "The Battle of New Orleans" and "Snoopy vs the Red Baron".


    Not exactly rock 'n' roll, but contemporary to it:


    https://youtu.be/8z9ntoTwQfc

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil

    Let’s not forget Acadian Driftwood by The Band, although it’s not entirely historically accurate:

  54. Famed defector Victor Suvorov was a tank chief directly invading Kekslovakia in ’68.. He wrote in his account at they were issued a large stack of Polaroid and for every intersection with a arrow written on it with what way to turn. Didn’t need signposts anywhere. Incredible confusion anyway

    Newsreel 1968:
    Film prove people on the streets should have had Molotov cocktails.

  55. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    @The Ringmaster

    The Ringmaster wrote:


    Nuremberg laws said something like “starting a war is the highest sin.” I will not contest that, but possibly his extenuating circumstances are as good or better than our last half-a -dozen adventures professed to have. I would give more grace to USA laying down the law in Mexico, than I would for some police action in Botswana.
     
    Putin would claim that ongoing aggression by Kiev against the breakaway republics in the Donbass actually started the war.

    Hard for an outsider to say.

    I will say that one of the point of US history that Americans are stunningly (willfully) ignorant of is how the US government always lies about how the other side started hostilities: "Remember the Maine!"; the "Tonkin Gulf incident"; the "attack" by Mexican forces in 1846 in the "disputed" region between the Nueces and the Rio Grande; and on and on.

    And yet Americans keep believing new lies, no matter how well-documented the fact of old lies.

    Replies: @fish, @Paperback Writer, @Anon

    “the “attack” by Mexican forces in 1846 in the “disputed” region between the Nueces and the Rio Grande”

    This wasn’t a lie, Mexican forces attacked American troops just North of the Rio Grande, the “Thornton Affair”. It just depends on which country you agree with on whose sovereign land it was, Texas/USA or Mexico. Mexico claimed that Texas only went to the Nueces River, while the Republic of Texas and later the State of Texas claim it went to the Rio Grande, which Santa Anna signed a treaty agreeing with them that it was the Rio Grande after Texas defeated him at San Jacinto during the Texas War of Independence.

    In addition we don’t have proof that they were knowingly lying about the Maine or if the media and the US government used it as a convenient excuse without checking at all. It turned out to be a lie in the sense that it wasn’t true obviously, and was a bullshit war.

  56. @John Johnson
    @Alrenous

    Anyway the problem with manure is there is indeed plenty of manure: human manure. Which is where the nutritional elements in the crops are going. Somehow there’s always somewhere to put this that isn’t the fields. I understand most of the nutrition ends up in the ocean. Genius policy from the great minds that brought us the Dust Bowl.

    No most of it is buried.

    I actually doubt the economics would work out anyways.

    It has to be treated and then sit for months before it is considered safe. Probably cheaper to just import from somewhere else.

    That is really why it isn't used. The pathogen risk is far higher and thus requires additional processing steps.

    Fertilizer is also better if it comes from plant eating animals. Dog waste isn't that good for this reason and dog food is still mostly vegetarian. Americans eat a lot of meat and dairy.

    Then there are all the drugs that Americans ingest. I really don't want all of that on farmland.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    An extremely American take.

    “It’s okay to wash all our farmland into the ocean because I don’t like the costs of the alternative.”

    Result: every American is now suffering from malnutrition. “Yeah but human poo is gross.” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  57. @Veteran Aryan
    I've always thought that Germany would have defeated Russia if they had stockpiled gravel, and had a few 'Railcar Mounted Radial Stacker Belt Conveyor' trains to deliver it. That would have tamed General Mud pretty quick.

    Replies: @The Plutonium Kid

    I’ve sometimes thought that if Hitler hadn’t lost so much time rescuing his incompetent pal Mussolini from his disastrous invasion of Greece, he’d have had the entire summer to focus on Barbarossa and might have succeeded in dealing the Soviet Union a quick knockout blow. Refraining from needlessly brutalizing non-Russians in the Soviet Union would have been a big help, too.

  58. @Ganderson
    @The Alarmist

    Furthermore none of those tank drivers seem to be wearing masks…

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    On top of everything else, those sinister Russkies are Granny Killers.

    I heard the two wannabes who replaced Limbaugh opining on the need for the US to push for a war-crimes investigation and tribunal, and could not help but think that in a sane world, that’s a stone that would not be cast.

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