According to his manifesto, it was blowback for a lot of things, including Rotherham. But he says he was prompted in particular by the killing of a young girl in Sweden.

dont forget the american right generally supported the albanians.

Barely anybody in the US remembers our 1999 Kosovo War,

Our bombing of the Christian Serbs is what flipped me against US foreign policy and woke me up to the fact the neocons were bad news. I finally could see the split between guys I admired like Pat Buchanan and the neocons. It was in front of me, but it took the bombing of Christians for the benefit of the descendants of collaborators to make me see the light. I’ve hated McCain and Kristol ever since.

That. This is what happens in (((multicultural societies))).

Still kind of amazed that this guy livestreamed the whole thing. I DLed it yesterday and only had a couple of minutes to scan through it and came away thinking it was some kind of hacked thing with a video game overlay. It was only today that I had time to watch it again and realized it was a genuine livestream made by the killer. Holy shit, that was insane. I mean shouldn’t-be-possible levels of insane. Never seen anything like that.

My take-home point on this thing is that the killer explicitly stated that Jews/Israel aren’t his enemies, ergo he was not )))our guy(((. I feel no need to disavow. He’s someone else’s problem. Maybe (((Big Media))) should go and interrogate Little Green Footballs, or Frank Gaffney/Richard Perle/John Podhoretz, or something.

The American bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo war is the most shameful episode of American history of the past century.

To their credit, Serbs do not bear much of a grudge for it against Americans generally.

Like the Syrian civil war, the best option was “stay out.”

But Clinton and Obama instead actively supported the wrong side in those conflicts.

Never seen anything like that.

Correction: never seen anything remotely in the same solar system as that.

Serious question: is that a first? Has there ever been footage of a mass shooter like that?

The American bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo war is the most shameful episode of American history of the past century.

MAN, that is a bold statement. I mean, there’s a LOOOOOOT (no pun intended, “Lot”) of competition for that title. I would have to think bretty hurd about what deserves that title. Spoiled for choice here.

It’s like when there’s a bad storm and someone blames it on global warming if it’s a summer storm and proof of global cooling if it is a winter storm. You can’t tell from just one storm, but the preponderance of data suggests (1) slight uptick in number of storms and (2) increased severity, especially rapid intensification of tropical cyclone due to warming.

I use the climate change analogy b/c (reason alert) severity of droughts affects crop yields and creates need for imported water; you import water by importing grain products that need water to grow. That all these attacks are being painted as proof of the warrior nature of Islam (akin to heating) or the incivility of Aryans (akin to cooling) is just the sideshow. Mass migrations are due to climate effects (Gwynne Dyer – Climate Wars) caused mostly by us “whites” and hangers onners too.

Climate affects will create a population bottleneck and those of us most deserving of passing through are (ironically) the same as those of us that will have created said narrow spot in the population pipeline b/c we are the only one capable of forging a new, better world on the other side. This ethical decision is based on the question: Which is better for the children of tomorrow? To be able to continue to advance, or to revert to tribal thought patterns and bamboo huts? It is too soon to turn liberal; we should wait until after the bottleneck, then mourn appropriately, then forge a better world. Those missing the boat to get here one hundred years ago (irony alert) have missed the boat completely.

Funny how little gratitude our support for the Muslim side in the Kosovo War bought us.

Gratitude from Muslims isn’t worth shit.

There’s a huge disconnect in how our “leaders” respond to these atrocities. When a Muslim commits an act of terrorism they do nothing to suppress Islam tell us we need to do things to help Muslims like us more.

When a right-winger commits the (rare) right-wing act of terorrism, they seek to suppress and outlaw those on the right, including the vast majority of us who oppose violence. No effort is made to make the right-wing like them more.

“anti-American air.”

I read or scanned the whole manifesto. It wasn’t anti-American, or antisemitic, or anti-African American or anti-Abo for that matter.

I also watched the video, which was eerily like the first-person shooters/GTA I played as a teen. I don’t recommend either of them, but morbid curiosity is a thing.

Allow me to give you credit for ur wokeness. Seriously, not kidding here. By my standards, you were really paying attention; 9/11 was my wake-up call. Everyone heard about that one. “Our” bombing of the Serbs is pretty obscure, by comparison.

I live in NZ. The country is in a state of shock with people saying: “This sort of thing isn’t supposed to happen in New Zealand.”

No offense to my fellow commenters, who, like Steve, will attempt with an admirable, if misplaced, Boomer earnestness to parse the underlying pro-Serb loyalties of the shooter, but you’re way off.

It’s all about the memes.

A video also showed that before the shooting, the gunman played a song honouring Bosnian Serb wartime political leader Radovan Karadzic, whose final verdict for genocide and war crimes is due to be delivered next week.

The song in question, generally known amongst /pol/tards and their online fellow travelers as either “Serbia Strong” or “Remove Kebab,” has long been a staple of image board culture, especially among those with nationalist or fascist sympathies.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/serbia-strong-remove-kebab

This is not to say, of course, that the shooter did not/does not admire the Serbs as emblematic of armed resistance against Muslims, but the conflict itself was, I would wager, about as inconsequential in pushing him to commit the act that he did as are Candace Owens, Pewdiepie, or what is known as the “Navy Seal Copypasta,” all of which were referenced in either his manifesto or his comments just prior to the shooting, as recorded on the live stream.

In short, y’all n****z got trolled.

I’m severely desensitized in many ways,
but I feel there is absolutely nothing to gain from watching that video.

It was also sort of an early end to the “end of history” honeymoon of the ’90s. It refuted one of Tom Friedman’s banalities from only a few years before (if memory serves) that countries with McDonald’s franchises don’t go to war with each other. The Wall Street Journal had an article about how McDonald’s franchises in Serbia were trying to navigate the anti-American sentiment stemming from American bombs falling on the country.

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My take-home point on this thing is that the killer explicitly stated that Jews/Israel aren’t his enemies, ergo he was not )))our guy(((. I feel no need to disavow.

Your take-home point is the mirror image of LOTB’s:

I appreciate the fact that, unlike American white nationalists, this guy isn’t obsessed with Jews. The only mention of Jews in his manifesto is this:

Were/are you an anti-semite?

No. A jew living in israel is no enemy of mine, so long as they do not seek to subvert or harm my people.

There’s still a whiff of dislike of Jews in that statement, but like I said, at least he’s not obsessed with Jews.

Not a mass shooter, AFAIK, but IIRC that fired black newscaster shot and killed the white woman newscaster while filming it first person shooter style.

Perhaps this is just a coincidence, but the Christchurch terrorist chose the closest Friday (March 15, 2019)

It’s also the Ides of March.

(As any Cæsar could tell you.)

One side of the family is Orthodox, not Serbian, but Orthodox nonetheless. Though I don’t practice that faith, bombing Orthodox Christian Serbs shocked me. It awakened a tribal reaction in me similar to the one I had when Reginald Denny got his skull bashed in during the LA riots.

The wiki pages on New Zealand and the prime minister nanny are depressing. Whites 70% of pop and dropping fast. Huge spike of immigration recently.

Kiwis are ruled by another socialist witch just like all over Europe. She has a boyfriend and a new baby out of wedlock. WINNING.

NZ is much further down the road to de-christianization than we are. Stats are ugly.

Let’s see. What is the appropriate response?

White Nationalist Leaders In New Zealand Are Fearful That Their Communities Will Experience A Backlash

Leaders of the biggest White Nationalist community centres said they have been working from the early hours to reassure community members.

Oh to have community centers! Surely having such an exclusionary thing would be a hate crime of some description.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/aishagani/fears-of-backlash-against-muslims-after-manchester-attack

Oh, and this is just part and parcel of living in a big city, right?

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It seems most net-savvy males have seen far worse and except for boomer politicians, people watching this don’t really feel much of anything, except to laugh at things like the inclusion of the R3move [email protected] music. Realistically there are thousands of non-muslims killed by muslims each year, and we are supposed to feel compassion the rare occasion when they get some death visited upon them?

Even Trump, who as the manifesto suggests is worth little more than as an icon of resurgent white awakening, had a curious non-denial denial – white nationalists are a small group of people who have very serious problems apparently. That’s one way of putting it, sure.

I found it hard to disagree with sentiment behind most of what BT wrote, except:
-the (((elephant))) in the room is strangely ignored, just hinted at, why?
-is it realistic to expect that this will be the catalyst to spark a chain reaction? Even thought the Koran instructs a crescendo of terror as the Muslim population grows and establishes itself through Hejira, trying to one-up this guy will lead to radicalization of white people, so my guess is that this mostly won’t happen. It could I suppose.
-not enough emphasis on what we can personally do to increase birthrates, i.e. have children ourselves and lead by example. This guy has sacrificed his genes now and the best hope he has is of some luck with some prison guards, I guess.
-I don’t really trust accelerationism. I could be wrong on that though. Seems like a good way to get disarmed and in a worse situation.

My way would be to peacefully raise children and raise awareness. However, we are in what is effectively a war of genocide against us, tracked by guys like Potok. The point he made about being a uniformed partisan, and also similar to Mandela, he’s not exactly wrong IMO. I thought it was an interesting take.

And Candace Owens, lol! Bringing the bantz.

It awakened a tribal reaction in me similar to the one I had when Reginald Denny got his skull bashed in during the LA riots.

Similar to the reaction I had watching the video of a preying mantis kill and eat a humming bird? (Primitives should not kill and eat advanced species.)

Who-Whom knows?

Maybe the Christchurch terrorist was inspired by Bari Weiss’ five millennia long history of neurotic blotting out and dot-connecting which forced him to believe it’s always
Purimfest 1946 ?

Still don’t believe we need hate speech laws?

This monster was inspired by white supremacist rhetoric like this site

Blood is on your hands

Read Adam Serwer

Yes, I recall that observation that no two nations with a Mickie D’s ever went to war. They also threw in no two democracies had gone to war, and no two nations with free trade had gone to war.

Pat Buchanan at that time pointed out that the USA had free trade among the states in 1861.

I didn’t turn against the program until around 2004 or 2005, when we were still stomping around in Afghanistan and Iraq with – seemingly – not a f**king clue as to what our war aims even were. I had no enthusiasm for G.W. (aka “The Chimp”) but I still voted for him in 2004. By 2008, I despised the Republican Party just about everybit as much as the Democrats. I certainly couldn’t stand that blood-thirsty, traitorous old war-monger, McCain and I’d sooner vote for the Devil than for him.

And I have since come to the point of view that any kind of endgoal in war-fighting is almost beside the point. To paraphrase Orwell “The purpose of war IS war.” War is a state of affairs that a lot of people with power prefer, for a variety of reasons.

Where can the video be seen?

I live in NZ. The country is in a state of shock with people saying: “This sort of thing isn’t supposed to happen in New Zealand.”

You should be in shock. That is a healthy and sane reaction. By any standard in any society, the shooting was a horrendous atrocity. Rue the day when such a massacre is not shocking for then you have lost your humanity.

New Zealand is a land uniquely blessed by God. Cherish your land and your compassionate, peaceful and free people.

Insist on a thorough and uncensored investigation, one that is as transparent as possible. There is much that was bizarre in the entire episode.

Take perspective and do not act too brashly. Do not sacrifice your values and freedoms in light of what is hopefully an extremely isolated incident. At the same time, do not allow your politicians to manipulate your shock and righteous grief over this atrocity to push for detrimental policies.

Always remember that New Zealand does not walk alone.

I’m not a Serb, and have no tribal identification with them. Mostly what I see here is human scum (the shooter) murdering innocent human beings, just as Satan wanted him to.

I’m not entirely surprised that someone who identifies with Serbs would imitate Serb terrorism and mass murder Moslems:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Filming a massacre in progress also has a Serbian precedent:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre#2005:_Release_of_Scorpions_massacre_video

March 15th is the aniversary of a number of things:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_15

This should cost at least one parasite his job – namely, Peter Dutton, the racist authoritarian fuckwit who fancies himself as Reichsleiter of the Australian Sicherheitsdienst.

Dutton’s recent schtick has been all about justifying, on the basis of the need to ‘identify the bad guys’, the massive expansion of domestic surveillance power – including the tech-industry-destroying forced-crippling of security.

And yet all the King’s Horses, and all the King’s Men, and all the billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars spent on the “national security” bondoggle… couldn’t identify Tarrant before he acted.

I’ve asked around, and this Tarrant dude traveled far too widely, and to far too many suspect places, for him to escape the lidded gaze of the security apparatus.

Getting hold of the weapons he used (and the ammo) is not a trivial task in NZ – and would also bring you onto the radar of Five Eyes.

Then again, I am a skeptic about Breivik, too, because I know how hard it is to carry weapons and ammo sufficient to do what he supposedly did. Ditto Martin Bryant. Those two guys pulled off stats that the best operators could not achieve in a training drill.

I’m perfectly aware of Hanlon’s Razor: given that it’s staffed by third decile morons, there’s a significant likelihood that the Oz/NZ “national security” alphabet soup simply dropped the ball.

But Tarrant was a had been all over the fucking place – if he wasn’t on Five Eyes radar, then they should de-fund the whole thing because it’s worse than useless.

There’s a huge disconnect in how our “leaders” respond to these atrocities. When a Muslim commits an act of terrorism they do nothing to suppress Islam tell us we need to do things to help Muslims like us more.

When a right-winger commits the (rare) right-wing act of terorrism, they seek to suppress and outlaw those on the right, including the vast majority of us who oppose violence. No effort is made to make the right-wing like them more.

Indeed. I don’t remember condemnation of orthodox Jews after this atrocity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

Not in the West, that is. The Muslim World is another matter. Of course, the West is now becoming part of the Muslim World.

It’s like when there’s a bad storm and someone blames it on global warming if it’s a summer storm and proof of global cooling if it is a winter storm.

Actually, they blame it on global warming in either event.

“MAN, that is a bold statement.“

Iraq and Vietnam were worse, for both us and them.

But the South Viets and Kurds didn’t deserve to live under communism or Saddam’s vicious government. We at least were on the right side of wars we should not have entered. These were foolish, dysfunctional, and reckless wars, but not evil.

But bombing Serbia was just completely evil.

“The American Right” manages to be less helpful, honest or descriptive than “the Jews” or “old money” here; are you talking about Dennis Hastert, Tom DeLay, Strom Thurmond, House Bush, and sundry other people who today would be voting to reject the border emergency?

dont forget the american right generally supported the albanians.

Really? Which “right” was that? The Pat Buchanan right? Or the Bill Kristol right?

White Nationalist, if you find yourself having to choose between on the one hand keeping your head down and raising loads of healthy, well-adjusted white children, and on the other hand reducing the number of Muslims in the world by 0.00000005%, think of the children.

The first part of the manifesto expresses a concern over immigration and the impending destruction of European people’s homelands.

Globalists for Open Borders tell a man his (white) life doesn’t matter and then they are outraged when he rises up in indignation and lashes out at the people who are his designated replacements?

What I am about to say is neither a threat nor a warning; rather, it is a prediction. As Globalists, Liberals and Leftists continue their war on the White Lives Matter movement, these attacks will escalate.

As he says, “I could no longer ignore the attacks. They were attacks on my people, attacks on my culture, attacks on my faith and attacks on my soul. They would not be ignored.”

Perhaps this is just a coincidence, but the Christchurch terrorist chose the closest Friday (March 15, 2019) to the 20th anniversary of the signing of the Rambouillet Agreement on March 18, 1999 by the US, UK, and Albania to break up Yugoslavia (i.e., Serbia) and have 30,000 NATO troops deploy through Belgrade and occupy Kosovo.

The shooting was also the 19th Anniversary of the release of the video game Spyro the Dragon 3.

I just made that up, but this guy was all over the map. He seems to be motivated to bring in as many Internet references as possible in order to justify a massive new round of censorship.

As for our beloved Bari Weiss, this is the Shabbat immediately before Purim. The Baruch Goldstein Mosque massacre took place on Purim in 1994.

Agree 100%.

Some other shootings give reason to be suspicious (especially when an autopsy reveals massive unnatural chemical anomalies, or a government seals all the information for a century, or one-of-a-kind vehicle is staged in an unjustifiable location in advance) but, if they keep up long enough, we encounter the most compelling reason to thank our deep state for its attacks on us and the Constitution: that law of criminal science which dictates that once a novel crime is deep enough in the public consciousness, some idiot who is not a spook with an agenda will copycat it for real.

Which naturally leads to the question: are there countries/places where this sort of thing is supposed to happen?

America had absolutely no right at all to attack Serbia. Serbia had not attacked America or threatened to do so. It had neither attacked or threatened to attack any American ally. It was just the USA being its typical bully asshole self.

Barely anybody in the US remembers our 1999 Kosovo War, but it wouldn’t be too surprising if some people were still sore about it.

In Serbia they are still sore about the 1389 Kosovo War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo

Now would be the time to change or end immigration.

It’s not unknown for terrorists to choose anniversaries

Whether a date is an anniversary depends on which calendar you’re using.

Another war we were certainly on the wrong side of

it’s possible but tbh i’ve been expecting stuff like this as a result of the social media censorship campaign making people believe there’s no political solution

twitter, facebook, google etc

The bully USA had NO RIGHT to attack Serbia in 1999. Shame on the USA.

As for Muslim “gratitude” just two years later the twin towers were destroyed.

The American bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo war is the most shameful episode of American history of the past century.

Bill Clinton was a major league lots-of-things, but only a minor league Roosevelt or Truman.

I had a foreign language “sampler” channel when we bombed the Chinese embassy; those were the bright days of early globalism, so it had a wierd mix of programming like Legend of the Galactic Heroes in Arabic or the Madhuri Dikshit show*.
Almost all the standard languages were covered by Deutsche Welle, so what the German “news” said and showed would be reiterated on the same soundstage by a different guy.
But not French. The French had this gorgeously cinematic and futuristic news set. Deutsche Welle is something like Voice of Germany, NPR specifically for foreigners, but the French one was France Channel 2 and once showed an excited and uncensored bull in a story about agriculture.
The Germans and everyone else (here including the US MSM outside the globalism channel):
The US bombed the Chinese embassy. The CIA said, sorry, our maps were like old or something, we wanted the building next door which was totally like so legitimate a tarzhey.
The French:
The building next door? You mean the tree? Because the Chinese embassy is in a small park.
And then the French became the only people who showed a little illustration, at a time when every newspaper had an asinine computer generator space-taking pseudo-informative graphic for stuff like annual rainfall. Nobody who saw all that green space around the buildings of the complex could buy anything else coming out of DC.
*Like a once-standard American sitcom placing a female celebrity as an ordinary housewife, but they have an episode about how the Indian police are utterly useless and organized crime is rampant.

This, Baruch Goldstein style events are inevitable on both sides and will increase with the numbers, regardless of efforts wasted on irrelevant scapegoats. It’s exactly like diversity in prisons: except for California you don’t force mixing because forced mixing guarantees violence.
One way to have diversity without violence would be to actually acknowledge the existence of the People politicians nominally work for, get Their okay, and only let people in under strict controls.

Watching the MSM reaction to the Christchurch Massacre is like watching the Bizarro-World reaction to Islamic Massacres.

1) As soon as it happened everyone started calling the perpetrator a terrorist, which was 100% accurate given his elaborate streaming setup. But a Muslim can hack people to death while shouting Allahu Ackbar and we really need to wait until all the facts are in, preferably until people forget about it.

2) Muslim terrorists are lone wolves who have noting to do with Islam but any time a white(or even partly-white guy) engages in terrorist behaviour, it’s part of a worldwide movement that somehow combines Islamophobes, White Nationalists, incels and 4chan, no matter how tenuous the links are.

In fact, many Islamic terrorists in the west are the exact equivalent of Breivik and apparently this guy-people who got all their ideas from a specific messed-up corner of the internet but never attended a training camp of any kind or are part of a large network of co-conspirators.

3) MSM gatekeepers are doing their best not to give viewers any information that might cast Islam in a negative light. During a Canadian round-table on the CBC, the talking heads pointed out the unmistakable reference to Alexandre Bissionette on the terrorist’s gun case, while leaving viewers to wonder what “For Rotherham” meant.

They are moving very strongly to censor social media and criminalize speech. BBC Radio in the immediate aftermath talked about the need to monitor thought in almost those words. No one considers that people might be reacting to what they see around them with their own eyes — there is always this faith that folks are captured by some conjuration and mighty magic, in other words, the thoroughly trashed premise of the SPLC and the ADL which led them to attack Gibson’s Passion of the Christ and Bavarian Easter celebrations. The mainstream national and international news already censors crimes against whites, and police agencies across Western Europe spent about half a year pretending that nothing happened on New Year’s Eve in Cologne. They must be looking at places like this next.

Personally, I think that New Zealand is overpopulated as it is, but that is just me. I think they need some more national parks in fact.

Still, up to the people of New Zealand.

My take-home point on this thing is that the killer explicitly stated that Jews/Israel aren’t his enemies, ergo he was not )))our guy(((. I feel no need to disavow.

Have you in the past supported that people should be gunned down, murdered, or otherwise harmed? Did you ever write, say, post something that would make anyone not insane in the head to interpret it as a call for others to be killed or hurt? If not, why would you feel any need to disavow the shooter, had him said Jews/Israel were his enemies?

You might just inspire someone yet.

You seethe with hate as you lay the blame on others. Irony. Get someone to explain it to you.

Actually, they blame it on global warming in either event.

Depends on which they you are talking about. Climate scientists talk about increased amplitude of the polar jet stream that allows the deep loops to invade the middle latitudes; ergo, climate change allows record cold in some locations even though the global averages for those months are still higher than normal. Climate shaman call this voodoo climate science and claim that the sun is cooling. Ergo, cold weather. (Akshually, the decrease in solar forcing is a few orders of magnitude less than the increase in forcing from CO2, but I digress.)

Remember: the point of my discussion is to allude to how a bigger trend is causing local effects.

The shooter’s livestream video was sent to me via Facebook Messenger. It’s still there but apparently it’s been yanked from a lot of sites.

It’s not spectacularly gory or gruesome.

Recall we originally stated that the rules of engagement only involved Serb forces in Kosovo itself, which was still a violation of Serbian sovereignty. However, after a few weeks when they did not yield, we started bombing bridges and infrastructure in the rest of Serbia. We even took out a passenger train if I recall. We even managed to hit the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

Our bombing of the Christian Serbs is what flipped me against US foreign policy and woke me up to the fact the neocons were bad news. I finally could see the split between guys I admired like Pat Buchanan and the neocons. It was in front of me, but it took the bombing of Christians for the benefit of the descendants of collaborators to make me see the light. I’ve hated McCain and Kristol ever since.

Me as well. I also came to realize why the empire needed to create a “professional military” who will enthusiastically carry out the slaughter of people who have not aggressed on the U.S. or any Americans and believe this slaughter is not only justified but even virtuous. Now we’re required to give them standing ovations at professional sports games and special privileges.

And last Friday before Purim.

Our bombing of the Christian Serbs is what flipped me against US foreign policy and woke me up to the fact the neocons were bad news. I finally could see the split between guys I admired like Pat Buchanan and the neocons. It was in front of me, but it took the bombing of Christians for the benefit of the descendants of collaborators to make me see the light. I’ve hated McCain and Kristol ever since.

Me as well. I often wonder if those U.S. pilots, who dropped cluster bombs and slaughtered Christians who trying to protect their families and children from KLA terrorists, sometimes reflect on their horrific damnable acts?

I was paying attention too at the time and it really upset me that the U.S was bombing Serbia. Justin Raimondo from antiwar.com was all over it with some excellent articles that were very critical of our bombings and the motives behind it.

It’s a weird coincidence that we have a terrorist lamenting low birth rates the same week Buffalo Wild Wings was pushing vasectomies.

https://twitter.com/shavedharambee/status/1106259197350563846?s=21

After muslim massacres in the West, victim’s families are expected to call for peace and to not blame all muslims, etc . I don’t think we’ve had retaliatory attacks unless you count the establishment using it as justification for more interventions in muslim lands.

muslims aren’t so forgiving. There will be retaliatory attacks in the West over Christchurch. The sad thing is liberals will justify this next attack(s) as payback for Christchurch. But they will never link Christchurch to 9-11, San Bernardino, Madrid, London, Bataclan, London again, etc., etc.

It’s like they never link the Crusades to jihadi aggression. The Crusades are seen alone as aggressive and not in the context of muslim aggression.

“But Tarrant was a had been all over the fucking place“

Young Australians, in general, are all over the place.

It is part of white Australian culture to wander around. High wages and generous leave policy helps.

“There will be retaliatory attacks in the West over Christchurch.”

How would one tell the difference? Mass-casualty attacks on Westerners by Muslims is normal.

Some time ago Liveleak had a video of Muslim terrorists shooting up worshippers in a mosque. Some brave soul inside the mosque held up his cell phone and kept it on the attackers the entire time. That was pretty intense.

https://postimg.cc/sQ62WKYc

I agree. What happened at the Bataclan was certainly about 100 times worse than the mosque shooting in New Zealand. Witnesses said they were torturing people at the Bataclan before they killed them.

Do not share it. I would suggest downloading it out of militant anti-censorship, but once you have it, do not upload it anywhere else. Loud little birds are saying that people posting this video are getting more than put on a list. Numerous video sites that exist to get around YouTube censorship are either taking this video down or not allowing it to be posted.
Also it is claimed that the YouTube app will force close if you type the triple parentheses, I can’t confirm that as I don’thave the app. Expect heavy-handedness, they have their excuse to go Chinese.

It’s worse than that. 9-11 was Saudis. We bombed Serbs for Albanians. Yet Albanians plotted to kill US soldiers at Ft. Dix. Some gratitude.

I heard the NZ security guys were being advised by Scott Israel.

It’s on Liveleak, or was when I viewed it there yesterday.

The good news is this puts PAID to the idea that western nations can offer asylum to Afro-Muslim migrants. That they can be shot to death in New Zealand as easily as they can be blown to bits in South Waziristan or an Iraqi mosque makes a mockery of that ‘idea’.

The bad news is that, as effective as this incident was, it still did not match the toll that Omar Marteen achieved in an Orlando gay nightclub and. as we have only been told, over 24,950 Muslims still reside in New Zealand as immigrants. Will ANY now leave due to fears about their safety?

Truman did what he did within memory of Hitler and in the growing shadow of Stalin. Clinton did what he did without any global militarized totalitarian threat, for the worst reason, because he could.

Hope Raimondo beats his illness.

I’ve asked around, and this Tarrant dude traveled far too widely, and to far too many suspect places, for him to escape the lidded gaze of the security apparatus.

Young Australians are known for wanderlust. There was even a song about it:

Down Under

The bombing of Belgrade was completely absurd and I was dead against it. Why on earth did we do it?
1. Because Nice White Ladies saw that famous Fake News picture where they turned people waiting outside a fence for supplies into Albanian “prisoners” in a “concentration camp”?
2. Because Madeline Albright wanted a Muslim ethnostate to camouflage ethnostate Israel after she discovered her Jewish heritage?
3. Because the Albanian mafia had something on Bill Clinton? (I’ve met Serbs who say yes, that’s it)
I don’t know if NZ was an “anniversary massacre”, but that pointless war had lingering bad effects. Russia quoted our words back to us almost verbatim when it came to S. Ossetia & Abkhazia. Heck, at least those places are mostly pro-Russia. Kosovars ended up being the largest group of imported fighters for ISIS.
They’re also involved in organ harvesting from Serb and non-Albanian prisoners. I bet some rich western transsexuals are getting genitalia on the Dark Web that way.
To paraphrase Richard Pryor, “I didn’t say it! Carla Del Ponte said it!”

Have you been given the full picture of Srebrenica or The Narrative?
http://tenc.net/sreb/mem.htm

I remember when the only news out of N.Z. was mass shootings of 6 or 8 people.
Was there in 1975, jugs were all plastic in the pubs, due to people using them as weapons.
It’s a nasty place, race hate isn’t far from the surface.

Where can the video be seen?

You can see it at bestgore dot com

Part and parcel of living in a great, global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things

– Sadiq Kahn – London Mayor.

Climate scientists talk about increased amplitude of the polar jet stream that allows the deep loops to invade the middle latitudes; ergo, climate change allows record cold in some locations even though the global averages for those months are still higher than normal.

If you believe the way that NOAA, GISS, and Hadley/CRU process and re-process temperature data. There are good reasons not to.

Climate shaman call this voodoo climate science and claim that the sun is cooling. Ergo, cold weather.

It has nothing to do with the Sun “cooling”. The Sun doesn’t cool – not appreciably. It might have something to do with solar magnetic cycles, via the mechanism of cosmic-ray induced cloud formation. Or maybe not – but it’s probably worth looking into.

Remember that almost the entire community of paleontologists were wrong about catastropic extinction events. And they were the guys who were supposed to be the experts on the subject

Peter Dutton has also been deporting paroled murderers back to New Zealan.
You wouldn’t be cranky about that, by some chance?

I think the population is fine as it is. I don’t want it to grow any more. On the drive from Invercargill to Christchurch, we don’t pass through a large settlement. I like it that way.

Half of the population of four and a half million lives in or around Auckland. I almost never go there. My wife and I will be spending our anniversary in Melbourne. It’s cheaper to get here.

I had a similar reaction to the Balkan interventions as you did, istevefan, but mine was delayed until the mid 2000s or so, when I came to reappraise the Balkan/Kosovo situation after the Iraq War. By this time, online fora of various kinds were popping up more and more, and people on them were willing to “go there,” whereas no one had been in the curated version of reality from the pre-Internet era.

What is the lesson of Kosovo? It is this: The same liars would, did, and would again, side with Muslim thugs against European-Christians, whom they would bomb (U.S. bombs killed 1,200 Serb civilians), carve a Muslim dependency out of a Christian state, handing land, power, and prestige to illegal migrants against natives (from what I understand, most ‘Kosovars,’ or Kosovo-resident Albanians, were of mid-20th-century-or-later migrant origin to the area). Everything about this episode was shameful.

The reaction today (2019) to a ‘Kosovo’ would, I(‘d like to) think, be much more negative.

A big reason so few strayed off the reservation was it was still the analog era. Newspaper and print-magazine reading was still the main way people get info, along with some radio and of course the evening news, now a quaint notion. There was no Internet to speak of for a large majority, and not much of one for those few on it. Nothing like it became by the 2010s. Few even had cell phones in the late 1990s.

Given these few info-chokepoints, they curated the narrative pretty effectively. Most people believed the line about “stopping genocide in the Balkans” and “Europe’s last dictator.”

They repeated their con-job in 2002-2003 for Iraq, a giant fraud which was especially formative, I think, for those born in the late 1970s thru late 1980s, i.e., people now in their 30s who roughly Teenage-to-EarlyMid20s when Iraq happened.

Perhaps Trump (before his metamorphosis into Blormpf-kushner) was already elected in 2003, at least his foreign policy plank, in the sense that anti-neocon-interventionism had become a quiet-majority opinion among the younger cohorts, hi-info voters, and the politically engaged (if not among the “Get a Brain, Morans” crowd).

In 2007, Ron Paul came out swinging against “policing the world” and unexpectedly had success rallying a sizable, loyal support base, repeating the performance in 2011-2012. In 2015, Trump borrowed Ron Paul’s foreign policy rhetoric, helping propel him forward. It was immigration, but not solely immigration. Trump was really selling a whole package.

After the Fall of the Soviet Union, the American Empire sought to destroy all European nationalism and ethnic strife in order to create the borderless European Superstate. Northern Ireland and Yugoslavia had to be resolved in the late 1990’s so that the European Union could implement open borders and suppress all ethnonationalism on the Continent.

The CIA and NATO also benefitted from their narcotics and terrorist network ties with the Albanians.

Really. I live in a small South Island town and am related by marriage to half the population. I hadn’t noticed the problems you mention, and I rent out houses to the indigent.

Are you talking about Aramoana. That happened in 1979. The overall murder rate is low.

Drunkenness and foul language are the big problems. Up north they have alot of gangs, but I never come into contact with the Mongel Mob.

Americans, Canadians and Australians advise you to fight for your low population density lifestyle.

Low population density leads to EASY LIVING which is GOOD LIVING. Once the real estate industry and the affiliated finance industry gets involved, your politics will be dominated by the perpetual growth advocates.

sought to destroy all European nationalism

Pour encourager les autres.

I’m not sure how much Albright and the gang was anti-Serb specifically. They were definitely anti-European-nationalist generally, and used the Serbs as a “whipping boy.” They would’ve liked, perhaps, to be as charitable as possible to them, to do it without killing off 1,200 of them and creating a smelly little Islamic dependency (“The Republic of Kosovo”), but omelettes and cracked eggs, you know.

Madeline Albright…after she discovered her Jewish heritage

Is this plausible? I mean, do we have any reason to believe her at her word that she ‘discovered’ her Jewish heritage late in life?

In a thread a few weeks ago, I asked the same about John Kerry (Comment-224 and Comment-241) who likewise claimed ignorance of his 1/2-Jewish origin.

Tarrant is a classic Aussie sh*tposter. Even an Australian news channel were conned into repeating the Navy Seal copypasta (go to 2.5min in, if you are pressed for time).

Christchurch Mass Murder: Of the 4 people in custody, one of those behind this horror is claimed to be 28-yr-old Brenton Tarrant originally from Grafton. Before the bloodshed he took to social media laying out his twisted explanation for what was about to unfold. @BryanSeymour1 pic.twitter.com/o5jw9RD68t

— 7NEWS Sydney (@7NewsSydney) March 15, 2019

The most interesting thing I have noticed is that the 24 hour state news broadcasting channel (ABC 24 hour news) immediately switched out their usual non-white news anchor(s) and went with white newscasters. At first there were two white women (well, maybe one was (((white))) ) lecturing us on how horrible it all was, and what the correct attitude was. And then later they got some guy who I had literally never seen on TV before, as if some producer went scurrying down the halls and found the first white male middle manager or techie he could find to thrust him in front of the camera, maybe after a quick meeting “The natives are restless! Don’t want to dump the frog in the hot water, do we?”

To be honest over the last year or so I had noticed the increased presence of non-whites as news anchors on the ABC. It seemed clear that there was some directive that our kind were to be phased out. I found it quite alienating, especially considering we are still majority white, but not in the two major cities AFAICT. So this sudden move was quite jarring, like watching something from They Live or The Puppet Masters or Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

All Europeans should be sore about the Ottoman presence in Europe all those centuries. A highly negative net effect. Certainly the Balkans’ historical problems can be blamed on Ottomans / Islam in no small part.

Another highly lucrative hoax (at least the version marketed to us).

Mass shootings at places of worship sounds a lot like Jewish uber-troll Joshua Ryne Goldberg’s MO. Does he have internet access in the nuthouse?

Whites 70% of pop and dropping fast

Actually they are at 60% White as of 2019, with births as of the early 2010s at 50% White. The 60%-White figure is for full-Whites; higher figures include anyone reporting partial White ancestry. ‘White,’ in our terms, means full-White, which in New Zealand is now at 60%.

There are certain striking parallels with the much-bigger USA’s racial situation, and White share is one of them; see a comment at Anatoly Karlin’s thread on the Christchurch attack (currently #72):

– 2,900,000 Full-Whites of ethnic-Christian origin (of which, NW-European ancestry, esp. British Isles, constitutes a very comfortable majority) [60%]

– 10,000 Jews? [0.2%] (7,000 specifically answered ‘Jewish’ to religion question on Census 2013)

– 72,500 Muslims [1.5%] (see above)

– 675,000 Maori, including mixed Maori-White [14%] (perhaps a third of the aggregate ancestry here is actually European; there are presumably still ~pure Maori but they are likely quite a small share of the overall pop., far below this 14% figure)

https://www.unz.com/plee/how-it-all-began-the-belgrade-embassy-bombing/

The above article has some interesting bits about the Chinese Embassy bombing. It seems it was intentional and that the CIA had their reasons.

“Civil Wars” – an essay by Hans Magnus Enzensberger, in which he predicts the worldwide increase of molecular civil wars.

In Hans Magnus Enzensberger – Civil Wars – From L. A. to Bosnia – available at amazon.com

Well, it was somewhat overshadowed by the invasion of Iraq four years later.

NZ is much further down the road to de-christianization

NZ 2013 Census, religion question:

4,242,048 : Total people counted by Census, March 2013

1,805,349 : Christian [42.6%]
— 1,272,519 : Protestant [30.0%]
— 492,105 : Catholic [11.6%]
— 40,725 : Mormon [1.0%]

53,628 : Maori religions (Ratana & Ringatu) [1.3%], or one-in-ten people who claim Maori racial identity

253,869: ‘Immigrant’ religions, total [6.0%]
— 89,919 : Hindu [2.1%]
— 19,191 : Sikh [0.5%]
— 58,407 : Buddhist [1.4%]
— 46,146 : Islam/Muslim [1.1%] — See here for discussion on the likely number of Muslims in New Zealand as of 2019 (currently comment-70): Perhaps 75,000.
— 6,867 : Judaism [0.2%]
— 33,339 : Specific other religion [0.8%]

1,635,348 : Answering “No Religion” [38.6%]
520,335 : Object to answering, don’t know, religion unidentifiable, response outside scope, and not stated [12.3%]

France and Great Britain. It’s strange nothing of the sort has happened there in retaliation.

Read up on news from the 60s and 70s.
Mass pub shootings involving shotgunswere common.
Indigent means poor. Is that what you meant?
A friend worked at an Invercargill meatworks in the early 60s.
He remembered fights between Tongans using chains outside the barracks every night.
You might also check New Zealand’s rate of Rapes and Burglaries.
It was more recently the highest per capita in the First World.

” the most shameful episode of American history of the past century.”

Not bombing the shit out of Israel after the Liberty attack is pretty high up there in my opinion .

Now say something about that being ancient history .

This whole thing has a pro-Serb (or, more generally, pro-Balkan Christian) / anti-American air. Barely anybody in the US remembers our 1999 Kosovo War, but it wouldn’t be too surprising if some people were still sore about it.

The whole ‘remove kebab’ thing is a meme from years back on /pol/. In his manifesto the killer says he is of ‘Irish, Scottish and English’ ancestry. I haven’t read the whole thing, but it doesn’t read like it’s going to get very angry over Kosovo.

Does the guy behind this attack count as alt-right (broadly speaking) or counter-jihad? The music/meme/8chan background point towards the alt-right but most of his talking points (including the apparent absence of antisemitism) seem to come straight from the counter-jihad playbook. Perhaps an unholy meld of the two.

It’s interesting that journalists etc seem more keen to write about the alt-right. There are books by Hawley, Wendling, Nagle etc. But the only book about the counter-jihad I know of is Soldiers of a Different God by Othen, a British writer. It’s difficult to say why there’s this imbalance but I suspect it’s something to do with the establishment types who support the counter-jihad in America. It’s harder to investigate something that has lots of money and good lawyers.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. does not believe that Sirhan Sirhan fired the shots that killed his father. He read the trial transcript, evaluated what evidence there was, and interviewed him in prison.

He explains his political evolution:

“Did you always hold these views? No, when I was young I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before coming to be an eco-fascist.”

Does that sound like a natural political evolution or an unstable man with violent fantasies shopping around for a radical ideology to fit his thoughts? It does sound like he fixated on the Balkans conflict but it could have been anything else.

There are quite a lot of Balkans types in Australia. A friend of mine moved to Australia from Russia in the nineties when she was young, she had to have English classes with the Balkan types who were looking to tear each others heads off in the classes.

“he was prompted in particular by the killing of a young girl in Sweden”

I remember seeing a photo of the girl post-attack. Not nice.

Thatcherite MP Alan Clark was very good on the Balkan intervention.

http://www.lalkar.org/article/2025/conflict-in-the-balkans-alan-clarks-view

The assertion that human rights within the boundaries of a sovereign nationare best defended by a sustained bombardment of its own civilian populationis, to put it most kindly, Orwellian. The notion that because a war is ‘just’ (by the aggressor’s definition) it can be prosecuted immediately, and without deference to international opinion is highly dangerous. It is to prevent exactly this that the UN’s Security Council mechanism came into being. Nato was conceived as a defensive alliance, its terms of engagement narrowly drawn; not as a ‘policeman’ surrogate for the UN; never as an apparatus for intervention in a civil war.

What amazes me about the Yugoslav crisis is the credulity of the Left, and of progressive thinkers, who seem to get a vicarious thrill from seeing B52s taking off from Fairford.

I address them: How have you swallowed whole the CIA-funded propaganda that demonises the Serbs? Are you not familiar with the duplicity and intimidation of United States foreign policy? That Ambassador Walker, in charge of monitoring forces in Bosnia, was financing the Contras? Have you no recall of that ‘Free World’ crap that embraced Battista, Noriega, Syngman Rhee, Bao Dai, Lee Van Thieu and Sukarno?

If you read Michael Rose’s Despatch you will see that the Bosnians mortared their own bread queue for a horror shot. If you talked to British soldiers you would learn that the KLA are gangsters indistinguishable (my analogy) from any warlord in Mogadishu.

In Yugoslavia there is a civil war. British soldiers are not mercenaries for one side or another where there is no threat to our citizens. The safest rule in such circumstances is, stick to humanitarian aid. What do you imagine so far is the cost? How much aid might this have funded?

It does sound like he was more influenced by the Pamela Gellers of this world.

The US and UK bombed Serbia to make them surrender Kosovo, a part of Serbia for six hundred years, but get their pants in a twist about the Crimea, which had been a part of Ukraine for what – 20-odd years? – and before that had been part of Russia for hundreds of years.

“Barely anybody in the US remembers our 1999 Kosovo War, but it wouldn’t be too surprising if some people were still sore about it.”

It’s not out of the realm of possibility, as many folks in that corner of the world are walking around with chips on their shoulders that date back up to a millenium ago.

Then again, maybe it was retribution for the assassination of Julius Caesar.

Before that bombing there was a very intense anti-American media campaign in China over the Serbia caampaign. It was so bad I decided it was time to get out, fast (you get a feel for those things in China — a lot of Westerners have started leaving recently, too). So I got on a plane and flew back to Seattle, and the embassy strike happened the next day. There were scenes of Chinese attacking the US embassy, and I was friends with some of those marine guards who had to go through that. Westerners were getting chased by mobs, etc. It was extremely upsetting to me. It felt like I was still there when I saw it on TV, and I could imagine my poor friends hunkering down in their apartments not daring to show their faces in public. I was also angry at the US for the bombing, because it was so obviously deliberate and so provocative.

My take on it at the time was that it was simply a big FU to the Chinese for supporting the Serbs so vigorously, along with a “what are you going to do about it?” attitude. Using a stealth bomber sent a pretty clear message: “we can hit you and there’s nothing you can do to stop us.”

I still don’t think there was anything more to that airstrike than deliberate humiliation, which matters a whole lot to Chinese. What I would like to know is who came up with the idea, because it strikes me as a very dishonorable action, and it doesn’t do the American people any good to be associated with that kind of shameful sneak attack.

Years ago one or two people here (perhaps in Steve’s pre-Unz days) recommended in the comments books on the history and breakup of Yugoslavia from a not-the-usual-narrative point of view.

IIRC the books were touted as being “fair” but somewhat sympathetic to the Serb side.

Can anyone name these books?

(A search of iSteve pulls down too many references.)

Holy shit, that was insane. I mean shouldn’t-be-possible levels of insane. Never seen anything like that.

It’s the 21st, man. It’s like cyberpunk, only with mobile phones and better lighting.

But this pales with the daily dropping of bombs on women and children. Nobody cares about THAT.

“The sky above the port was the color of a YouTube channel, saying something about a missing plugin.”

A video also showed that before the shooting, the gunman played a song honouring Bosnian Serb wartime political leader Radovan Karadzic, whose final verdict for genocide and war crimes is due to be delivered next week.

Was that the accordion guy clip?

Interesting that you should mention Bataclan. Turns out there were a large number of gruesome tortures during that particular slaughterfest, which the MSM went out of their way to obscure from view.

Of course, the French authorities did their part too, refusing to permit parents to recover the bodies of the most extreme cases. Saying that the vivisections were likely the result of explosions and shrapnel, and we’ll just spare you the details.

> Was that the accordion guy clip?

Checking on YouTube:

Anyone else here after the Christichurch shooting where the guy played this song while live-streaming his shooting.

1.9K likes.

I liked:

First Do No Harm: Humanitarian Intervention and the Destruction of Yugoslavia

That war was too confusing for those times. I tried to keep track from what was being said in normie (incl. Der Economist) and commie newspapers and on normie TV but it was all too confusing and dragged on for years with various provocations and atrocities and false flags and Miss Clinton and military medal hounds and faggot Netherlands UN troops looking like hippies in uniforms. In the end I was convinced intervention was required. A mistake.

If you want consistency, you need to buy ready-made dough.

(In the times of Bismark, one had at least meaningful Realpolitik, not chaos under the veil of World-Saving Derangement Complex. Well, it ended all in a European Suicide pact caused by Serbian Nationalists but that’s another story.)

Things must have changed. I am 54 and the 1960s are a bit before my time. Maybe rape is more common here than in most countries, but if the UK dealt with grooming gangs the way it should, then it would soar up the international rankings. According to Nationmaster, it is just behind the US. Is the US really so rape-prone? I looked up the burglary statistics which showed NZ to be far worse that Costa Rica, which is a joke. I have lived in Costa Rica and I loved the place, but people live behind iron bars and razor wire. You really cannot leave your door unlocked. Here, I don’t know anyone who has bars on their windows.

There are things I hate about New Zealand. The foul-mouthed verbal assaults usually delivered by women are my number one pet hate along the pressure to conform. The fear of being though stuck up leads many Kiwis to act in ways that are unworthy of their education or intelligence. Also the binge drinking is pretty sickening.

I am sorry you had such a bad experience of the place.

Is this plausible?

Only if she never ever looked in the mirror.

No place is perfect or even close. But New Zealand is about as good as it gets IMHO. Yes the trends may be troubling but that’s true pretty much everywhere now. Maybe Hungary, but I haven’t been there.

2063 years ago…and the bastard had it coming.

Barely anybody in the US remembers our 1999 Kosovo War

Killing thousands of people somewhere overseas by dumping bombs on them is just another day in the life of most Americans and can’t be expected to be noted let alone remembered. That particular atrocity may have marked the ushering-in of full-spectrum propaganda 24/7, lying on a grand scale. The saturation on every level was complete and propaganda stories abounded. The US along with other allies armed and trained Muslim terrorists and Clinton flew foreign jihadis in who gained a reputation for committing atrocities against Christian prey. The full story is ugly and showed how the media is just a vehicle for the government in selling lies to the public in support of the armed aggression of the moment.

Read Adam Serwer

I subscribed to PewDiePie.

And all the Muslim loons and whiners who complain about the Islamophobia of the U.S. government forget that the U.S. served as the air force for the murderous Albanian Muslim KLA. Unfortunately, Russia was still reeling from the collapse of the Soviet Union and too prostrate to render very much assistance to the embattled Christian Serbs.

Muslims from Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia are a different animal altogether from Muslims in the rest of the world. Pretty much indistinguishable in appearance and attitude from their Christian Balkan neighbors. I’ve met a few Bosnians and they are mostly no different than Serbs or Croats. In fact, I think they are descended mostly from Serbs and Croats that converted to Islam to gain preferential treatment under the occupying Ottomans. Granted, the non-Slavic Albanians are different, and seem to have a tendency towards organized crime. But not terrorism, and certainly not like say, the Chechens.

It wasn’t “hate speech” that drove the NZ shooter to kill all those Muslims. It was reading the numerous stories about Muslim violence against white Europeans in the U.K., Scandinavia and Western Europe.

Funny how we never hear the need for hate speech laws when non-whites or deranged anti-white leftists kill or maim white people.

You’re still a moron.

When a right-winger commits the (rare) right-wing act of terorrism, they seek to suppress and outlaw those on the right, including the vast majority of us who oppose violence. No effort is made to make the right-wing like them more.

In Europe the four highest recent Muslim terrorism body counts>>>>
The heavy delivery truck driven through crowds in the South of France killed 80 plus at Nice on Bastille Day
the explosion and gunfire at the Ariel Grande concert in Manchester killed “only 22”
then Bataclan with Eagles of Death metal just short of 100 killed.
Then of course 12 killed at Charlie Hebdo and other smaller mass murders by Euro-Jihadists

Outside Europe such as Kenya and India there were mass killings by the Jihad

On 2 April 2015, gunmen stormed the Garissa University College in Garissa, Kenya, killing 148 people, and injuring 79 or more. The militant group and Al-Qaeda offshoot, Al-Shabaab, which the gunmen claimed to be from, took responsibility for the attack. The Somali gunmen took over 700 students hostage, freeing Muslims and killing those who identified as Christians.

French Government Forced To Admit It “Suppressed News Of Gruesome Torture” At Bataclan Massacre
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-15/french-government-forced-admit-it-suppressed-news-gruesome-torture-bataclan-massacre

NY Post published the same …also….
Via UK Daily Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3692359/French-government-suppressed-gruesome-torture-Bataclan-victims-official-inquiry-told-castrated-eyes-gouged-ISIS-killers.html

Just give me the elevator story, and I mean the 30-second version, in which you directly answer this question:

Did Serb militias shoot to death a large number (1,000+) disarmed Bosnian men and boys who were in their custody and who would, under international law, be designated as prisoners?

Yes, or No.

Does the guy behind this attack count as alt-right (broadly speaking) or counter-jihad?

I read his manifesto fully, he’s all over the place White nationalism, Robert Spencer/Gates of Vienna type Counter Jihad, Bernie Sanders type Socialism and Environmentalism, he rails against corporations a lot and primarily blames them for the ‘invasion’ as he puts it. He should be considered Alt-right because his primary obsession is with the declining White demographics. Hilariously he claims the fundamental person responsible for his radicalization is Candace Owens!!

He claims to have met with Breivik’s organization and got blessings from them before the massacre.

He justifies murder of Children by saying that that’s one less adult for your children to kill. Interestingly he says that he picked out Muslims for this massacre because they’re universally reviled and that he hoped to garner sympathy for the attack.

All said the manifesto reveals him to be an sensitive, intelligent man who felt that his cold blooded massacre was not just justified but absolutely necessary. A sensitive, intelligent Monster.

It was probably Wesley Clark’s idea.

When Russian troops occupied the Pristina airport at the end of the war, Clark ordered British NATO forces to attack. The Brits refused, citing the probability that such an altercation would spark World War 3.

Clark was Bill and Hill’s homeboy.

The Kurds fought on both sides of the Iran Iraq War, ethnically cleansed and massacred Assyrians who had more right to territory than they did, and have been a pain in the neck to every other people in the Middle East. Atrocities against them were predictable and not something any other capable authoritarian in that region wouldn’t have done. We weren’t on the right side, we shouldn’t have even been fighting in the Middle East.

In Iraq we caused more trouble in the area that existed previously, and neither the people we opposed there or the people were supported were any good.

The people murdered appear to be refugees from New Zealand’s middle east wars, which is to say New Zealand destroyed whole cities, financed and armed the ISIS crazies killing millions and destroying the lives of tens of millions. Mr Tarrents murder spree was unauthorized. His lifetime in prison could be considered his equivalent of a government pension.

It is interesting that the PM of New Zealand sees the need for new fire arms legislation but not the death penalty. It is kind of clear at this point that in a multicultural world the death penalty might be a necessity. The history of the death penalty in NZ sort of follows multiculturalism. The death penalty is eliminated at the height of monoculturalism 1961.

A friend of mine went to Buffalo Wild Wings the other day and was bombarded with MSNBC. He asked the waiter if he could switch the TV over to Fox. “That’s against corporate policy,” the waiter said.

So Fox is verboten. “You’ll watch MSNBC and you’ll like it! Now shut up and eat your wings! Don’t make me cram them down your throat!” My friend won’t be going back.

The company that owns BWW also owns Arby’s and Sonic.

I have a horrible feeling NZers are going to lose control of the population. You could fit a lot of people in the place, but as you say it’s one of the few optimally populated places left. I expect there will be 50 million there one day.

Trump was really selling a whole package.

Sadly a package he had no intention of delivering.

That RFK comment tho.

It’s almost as if someone who doesn’t have our best interests at heart has wrested control of our foreign policy in the past couple of decades. I suspect the distance of time will illuminate this quite clearly for future historians.

NZ women… Bleugh

When the Balkans problems were ongoing my primary news source was NPR. I grew dismayed with the emotional dribble coming over that source as there was no rhyme or reason shared, no background, no connection made with US interests.

Consequently, to this day I understand very little of what happened there.

Can any one recommend a solid history book to explain the fall of Yugoslavia, the aftermath, and the deep background?

Christchurch is definitely a hard-luck town, what with the earthquake and now this shooting. And at least for me, the only place Christchurch previously occupied in my awareness was through pop culture, specifically Peter Jackson’s “Heavenly Creatures”, which dealt with the true life story of two Christchurch teenage girls who bludgeoned one of their mothers to death with a rock. One of those girls ended up being a successful writer later in life (the one played by a pre-Titanic Kate Winslett in the film).

I agree with you Svigor, and I doubt you’ll be surprised that your comment will awaken the hordes of insecure virtue signalers.

This guy ain’t the US’s problem. That won’t stop the usual suspects from attempting to make him ours.

Apparently it’s being taken down in most places, as soon as it goes up. I saw it in a comment thread on TRS and DLed it, but have no idea if the link is still up. I’d try a bittorrent search engine, if I had to find it now.

That’s a good question. I mean it’s not like Muslims have to disavow their terrorists, or Jews theirs, or blacks theirs, etc.

I am going to enjoy telling everyone this awful racist (Islam isn’t a race!) Islamophobic hater shooter terrorist guy loved Jews.

Back in the 90s/early 2000s, I read a lot of Holocaust revisionism, and I also skimmed some Serbian claims about Srebenica. I remember that much of the Holocaust revisionist literature making clear and distinct claims. The concentration camp victims actually died of typhus, the gas chambers weren’t real, etc. Even if the Holocaust revisionist claims were false, or distorted, at least their claims *grappled with the point in question*: did the Germans intentionally commit mass murder against the Jewish people?

I remember finding the Serbian claims hard to follow. The defenses didn’t seem to center on the point at issue: did Serbs massacre unarmed Bosnian Moslems in their custody at Srebenica? Yes or no? If they addressed the point, the Serb defenders would usually focus on the numbers, or imply that the massacre was deserved. Well, you don’t get to massacre your enemies, even if they are guilty of massacres themselves.

You pointed me to a website where the heading specifically talks about “refuting the charge that Serbs committed mass murder at Srebenica.” Sounded promising. I read further down, and that article is about documenting Moslem crimes against Serbs. That might provide context for understanding the mass murder at Srebenica, but it does *not* refute the charge of mass murder committed by Serbs. This confirms my low opinion of the Serb counterclaims. I see this sort of irrational, reflexive changing of the subject when talking with Balkan tribalists.

Here’s another example: https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-srebrenica-massacre-was-a-gigantic-political-fraud/5321388 The author says that Srebenica was a “fraud.” A Westerner like me reads that and infers that the article will deny that Serbs committed atrocities at Srebenica. Part way through the article, the author writes, “The numbers [of Bosnian Moslems] executed there [by Serbs] were probably in the order of between 500 and 1,000.” So he admits that the Serbs murdered (because this would be murder; there was no trial) hundreds of unarmed people in their custody. So really the alleged fraud has to do with numbers. I repeat, the author admits that the Serbs committed a huge massacre at Srebenica, he just disputes the numbers, and lamely tries to the killings as “deaths and executions.” If you’re on trial for killing eight people, you don’t get acquitted if you admit on the stand that you only killed four.

If the best that pro-Serb apologists can do is say, “We murdered fewer of them, in retaliation for what they did to us,” then I can see why this douchebag in New Zealand sought to emulate Serb militants in the Balkans. Kind of like Eric Holder, the motto seems to be, “When they massacre you, you massacre them back.”

There’s an Eastern Catholic Jesuit priest, Archimandrite Rober Taft, S.J. (who I think now is deceased; RIP), who said that the further east you go in Europe, the less rational the people are. Meaning, decisions are generally made more reflexively, on the basis of identity/identification, not rational sifting of evidence. My experience with Balkan polemics supports this. These cultures missed out on the sort of social tranformation that the Catholic Church achieved in the West, where it produced the underpinnings for WEIRD (Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic) culture. Social life is still more instinctual, visceral. I suspect that’s part of what’s going on.

Now, I realize that I’m being provocative and painting with a broad brush, to say the least, and obviously none of these criticisms apply to all Serbs, just like anti-Islamic criticisms don’t apply to all Moslems. I just don’t think people in America, which is a WEIRD country, should look to Balkan tribes for models, whether on the Albanian, Bosniak, Serbian, or Croatian sides.* They’re in a different world than the one we live in, and a more primitive one. You might end up with someone like this guy trying to go Radovan Karadžić on a mosque.

*And if you don’t think that’s a thing, it’s part of why I stopped reading Chronicles Magazine and I got turned off to the paleocon movement. There seemed to be a sort of perverse leapfrogging of loyalties, where the Chronicles crowd went off on some Serbophile, Russophile tangent out of their disdain for contemporary America. The neocons had Israel, and that crowd had Serbia, it seemed.

Perhaps bombing Serbia allowed Clinton to distract from his extramarital scandals.

http://www.pravdareport.com/history/127187-nato_serbia_lewinsky/

ATM, Franceinfo, the 24-hur news channel run by the French government for internal consumption, broadcasts “sports” and “culture”, while RT France, Ruptly, and Sputnik France broadcast Champs Elysee burnings and fights. The Russian channels have 7K viewers each on Youtube, while Frenchy-French one has 700.

For the moment, it looks as if the French cannot control the message any longer. But the fact is the French still elected that clown. There is a lot of time until the next elections, and legitimacy is the only concern of the French establishment.

Also, Russia’s propaganda can be easily excised off the internet if they persist on using US platforms.

Yeah, it depends on how you approach the question. It’s like the Aztecs vs. the Mongols. The Mongols murdered far more people – a great many of them innocents – than the Aztecs did. And I’m confident they did plenty of torturing, mutilating, and maiming along the way. But they just didn’t come anywhere close to the Aztecs in terms of vileness – in the purely evil nature of their culture. The Aztecs are in a class of their own, on that score. The Mongols did evil as a means to an end, but for the Aztecs, it was a religion and a way of life.

But dead is dead, and the Mongols killed way more people. I have to give the nod to scale and score them @ #1. Let’s just say I call them “the worst,” avoiding the question of evil.

Similarly, we killed an awful lot of people in Vietnam. We helped the Vietnamese kill an awful lot of people in Vietnam.

dont forget the american right generally supported the albanians.

Neocons, maybe. I was a right-wing nationalist back in the 90s, and me and all the guys I knew were 100 percent pro-Belgrade* at that time.

*except for the ethnic Croat-Americans, I suppose

Good advice. Thank you.

I’ll pass it on to my friend who sent it to me. She didn’t post it publicly, she sent it to friends privately via Facebook Messenger. But I doubt that distinction means anything to TPTB.

Another name marked on the weaponry was Novak Vujosevic, who fought on the Montenegrin side in the Battle of Fundina against the Ottoman Empire’s forces.

Truly, genetics are powerful, as those people are still fighting the Ottoman Empire.

Secondly, that is why accepting people from vastly different cultures (which usually means races) is such a stupid thing because:

A. You don’t know what stupid genes they may be bringing into your country, and

B. You don’t know what past wars and enmities they are bringing into your country.

Their ideas are so alien and unnatural they can only become dominant with years of uncontested indoctrination. And even then they know it only takes a few hours of exposure to “far right” ideas (i.e., real talk and common sense) to wipe it all out. Their only option is suppression.

Clintons bomb Serbia into submission until it amputates its province of Kosovo, at which point Kosovar Albanians ethnically cleanse it of all Serbs. This is explicitly done, in part, to get Muslims to better like the US by showing it will bomb Christians. In revenge, Serbia sends young men to America to shoot 3 pointers. In gratitude, Albania sends young men to America to shoot-up Fort Dix.

I used up my agree, but boy do I agree.

We were personally enriched by that war https://www.deseretnews.com/article/660203374/Talovics-girlfriend-says-he-anticipated-happiest-day.html

Why are mass shootings newsworthy while mass beheadings not so much. Western lives matter?
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/new-isis-video-shows-mass-beheading-of-christians-399613507644

Trump’s administration should take this opportunity to bring to America more Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, Herzegovinians, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Slovenians, Kosovars, and Vojvodinians so they can all together teach us a few lessons about the everlasting endurance of multiculturalism.

Don’t leave out the wickedness of the British. In analyzing dumb U.S. foreign policy moves, there’s always a British connection.

U.S. policy in the early days of the Yugoslav conflict was actually sound. We saw that massacres were occurring (and they were, there’s proof of it). But, we stayed out and supported arming the Bosniaks.

The Brits stepped in and said no, arming them would be very very bad. Douglas Hurd, perhaps reliving Britain’s gun-grabbing role in Ireland, said dropping arms into Bosnia would “create a level killing field.” They blocked weapons from reaching Bosnia and pressured Bosnia into accepting a settlement that would see their county dismembered.

And whaddaya know? The massacres went on just like the British wanted them to. And these cowardly chumps, who allowed Srebrenica to happen, actually had a chance to arrest Ratko Mladic in 2004. But their soldiers pussied out even though they were armed at the time. Mladic remained free for another 7 years.

And in one masterful stroke New Zealand jumps to the head of the list of mass shootings per capita!

When Muslims do something, the media’s sole concern is preventing “backlash” against Muslims. Whenever a white guy does something, they are suddenly unconcerned with this and in fact act as ringleaders to stir up maximal backlash against whites.

The lesson to be learned here is that Muslim immigration begets terrorism which begets retaliation. Our elites are either morons or vindictive assholes for promoting it.

Which then naturally leads to the question: does importing people from where this sort of thing is supposed to happen to where it isn’t supposed to happen change where it is supposed to happen?

Funny how little gratitude our support for the Muslim side in the Kosovo War bought us.

I’m not sure whether you recall this, but “Muslim gratitude”, in order to to secure a Palestinian peace deal, was part of the Clinton administration’s (absurd) justification for the series of U.S./NATO war crimes commonly referenced as “the Kosovo War“.

2063 years ago

Isn’t it 44 BC two-thousand and sixty-two (2,062) years ago back from 2019 AD?

(No Year 0.)

I don’t disagree with your comment, but quantity and prominence of esoteric Balkan stuff was notable.

If it were purely meme warfare, I would expect a more random distribution of references. So, yes, a lot of people are probably not seeing the trolling aspect, but Steve may still have a point.

I also began questioning US policy about that time. However, it wasn’t until the US abetted ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Kosovo and its transformation into a rump, narco-terrorist state in the “soft underbelly of Europe” that I started my pilgrimage to wokeness.

I still don’t think there was anything more to that airstrike than deliberate humiliation, which matters a whole lot to Chinese. What I would like to know is who came up with the idea, because it strikes me as a very dishonorable action, and it doesn’t do the American people any good to be associated with that kind of shameful sneak attack.

Especially after Bill Clinton got all that campaign dough from the Chinese too.

Sir;

Your comment fairly jumped off the screen, such is its concise, calm, rational, and compassionate power. Well done, sir, well done.

In related news–for us anyway–the Daily Mail published this piece about the immivasion of the Iberian peninsula lo those many years ago. And they didn’t make such a hash of the story as the NYTimes did.

The NYTimes crowd can’t or won’t see the connection between the story of the shooting in NZ and the successful usurpation of male farmers in Iberia.

Yoga, the word, means “to bind”. To bring the two together. It is just this capacity that the Left lacks. They can’t hold the two events together simultaneously in their minds.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6814183/How-men-Spain-completely-wiped-4-500-4-000-years-ago.html

Interesting that you should mention Bataclan. Turns out there were a large number of gruesome tortures during that particular slaughterfest, which the MSM went out of their way to obscure from view.

Of course, the French authorities did their part too, refusing to permit parents to recover the bodies of the most extreme cases. Saying that the vivisections were likely the result of explosions and shrapnel, and we’ll just spare you the details.

Snopes.com is reporting that accounts of torture and mutilations during the Bataclan massacre are untrue.

So I am more persuaded that it did in fact happen.

Was that the accordion guy clip?

Yeah, it was Remove Kebab/ Serbia Strong.

Sounds like Mr. Sailer may not be aware of how big that meme was a few years back, or how important the Serbia thing was in waking a lot of people up. Not necessarily at the time, but in combination with the Iraq invasion.

Other music on the video:

british grenadiers march

Fallschirmjäger Grün ist unser Fallschirm Remix

Arthur Brown – Fire

Manuel – Gas Gas Gas

None of which seems particularly Balkan, to say the least.

There are also disagreements in counting somewhere in the Middle Ages IIRC. So let’s apply error bars.

Not bombing the shit out of Israel after the Liberty attack is pretty high up there in my opinion .

Now say something about that being ancient history .

The marine bombing by Lebanon was a lot more recent than the liberty and killed 8x more Americans. I guess you want to bomb the shit out of Lebanin 8x harder or maybe 20x harder because it was more recent , one of your own criteria. But I don’t expect you to live up to your own rules.

It does sound like he was more influenced by the Pamela Gellers of this world.

Yeah, that’s one of the more suspicious aspects of it. See also @105

Does the guy behind this attack count as alt-right (broadly speaking) or counter-jihad? The music/meme/8chan background point towards the alt-right but most of his talking points (including the apparent absence of “antisemitism”) seem to come straight from the counter-jihad playbook.

So — an Australian is:

>Angry enough about the non-White/ Muslim invasion to gun down 50 hajis, but

>Completely ignores the Tribe’s role in promoting that invasion. For example:

https://lukeford.net/blog/?p=82232

“Isi Leiber is an internationally known Jewish leader and former chairman of the board of directors of the World Jewish Congress and the former leader of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry. He was major proponent of multiculturalism, open borders, and cultural Marxism in Australia. He moved to Israel in 1999 and still advocates multiculturalism for Australia while advocating nationalism and homogeneity in Israel at the same time.”

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/08/13/the-war-on-white-australia-a-case-study-in-the-culture-of-critique-part-1-of-5/

“The national editor of the Australian Jewish News, Dan Goldberg proudly acknowledges this, noting that: “In addition to their activism on Aboriginal issues, Jews were instrumental in leading the crusade against the White Australia policy…”

>The memes and music are largely chan culture (though “Remove Kebab” is kinda stale), but he throws in a lot of (((counterjihad)))-type references — Tours, Vienna, heavy emphasis on Islam vs. Christianity even though not a Christian himself…

Kinda like Breivik with some added shitposts.

7,000 Jews. Thats not good news. That means that there are 6,999 more Jews than necessary to blame all of the countries problems on !!!!

Its important not to paint with such broad strokes. 99.9% of white nationalist never commit violence. By lumping all white nationalists together with this guy , we risk rationalizing the moderate white nationalists which are 99.9% of the white nationalist population.

As bad as this event was , it would be a far worse tragedy to stigmatize innocent, Moderate white nationalists and sacrifice the role they play in a diverse multicultural society.

NYU students accused Chelsea Clinton of sparking the terror in NZ by calling Ilhan Omar’s comment on Israel and Jewish money “anti-Semitic”, thereby stoking Islamophobia.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer hypocrite.

The McDonald’s Theory was already wrong even when Tom Friedman first stated it in the early 90s. Britain and Argentina, to name an obvious counterexample, both had McDonald’s in 1982 during the Falkland/Malvinas War.

You’re a troll but I’ll answer you anyway . If you’re referring to the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut it was a case of US troops being in a place where we had no national interests and no business being . Once again whose interests were we serving by being there ? Maybe you shouldn’t have brought that example up . Anyway no I wouldn’t have bombed Lebanon for that . Actually now that you mention it we should have bombed Israel in that case too for starting all that shit .

We should have cut off all aid to Israel after The Lavon affair in 1955 . A plan to discredit Egypt’s government, then headed by Gamal Abdel Nasser, by bombing theaters, post offices and U.S. and British institutions, and making it seem as though Egypt was behind the bombings. The thinking in Israel at the time was that if the British were to give up control of the Suez Canal, it would be left in Egypt’s hands, putting Cairo in a better position to exert pressure on Israel.

The agents were told “to undermine the West’s trust in the [Egyptian] government by causing public insecurity” while concealing Israel’s role in the sabotage.

“The foursome — like all the other heroes of ‘the mishap’ — were born and brought up in Egypt, but they never regarded themselves — nor were they ever regarded by others — as Egyptians. . . .They were typical members of Egypt’s Jewish community. . . .It was a community with shallow roots. The Jews reached Egypt during the second half of the nineteenth century or the beginning of the twentieth. . . .[T]hey could not read or write Arabic, and spoke no more of the language than was necessary for the simplest daily needs. . . .All of Egypt’s Jews could have been considered Zionists — or, to be more precise, ‘lovers of Zion.”

Sound familiar ?

The marine bombing by Lebanon was a lot more recent than the liberty…

A patch of dirt bombed the US Marines (and the French)? How exactly does that work again?

Meanwhile, back in the real world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

1. “A group called Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombings.”

2. “According to Caspar Weinberger, then United States Secretary of Defense, there is no knowledge of who did the bombing.”

3. Why were US troops in Lebanon in the first place?

Because of the (US-supported) Israeli invasion of Lebanon, of course

4. US forces were stationed in Lebanon, and involved in active military operations. For example:

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/09/world/us-ships-enter-lebanon-fighting-shelling-hill-site.html

Compare to the deliberate Israeli sneak attack on USS Liberty.

1. Israelis were pretending to be our “allies” at the time — as they continue to do today.

2. USS Liberty was in international waters at the time of the cowardly sneak attack.

3. The ship was almost entirely unarmed (just a couple of .50 cals)

4. The Israeli sneak attack was clearly planned and directed by high levels of the Israeli military/ government.

No comparison.

Not comparable. The USS Liberty was a technical research ship in international waters. The Lebanon attack happened against soldiers in Lebanese territory.

Donut doesn’t go far enough. Israel should not have been allowed to exist as a country after USS Liberty.

File under extreme intersectional LULZ and everybody’s racist except me. Also, the solidarity truck will arrive shortly:

Muslim activist tears into Chelsea Clinton’s ‘caucasity’ at NZ victims’ vigil

Clinton, apparently taken aback by the accusations flung at her, can be seen apologizing profusely for what she argues was an unintended offense.

“It certainly was never my intention, I do believe words matter, I believe we have to show solidarity,” Clinton says.

“This, right here is the result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words that you put out into the world!” the activist says, adding that she wants Clinton to “feel deep inside” her guilt in what happened to the victims.

“Forty-nine people are dead because of the rhetoric that you put out there,” she charged.

A video of the confrontation was posted by a friend of the activist on Twitter, who then deleted the footage and most of her tweets.

The activist who faced off with Clinton took to Twitter herself, saying that the invitation to the vigil extended to Clinton made her “viscerally angry” and she was not going to apologize for her outburst.

That last one would be something I would play back in my CS days (would you believe I learned about CS via review article in The Economist)

Today I’m older and more relaxed.

Yeah. Just the other day I saw a Hindu store owner get into it with his Pakistani vendor. I said “ain’t diversity great”; and I thought they were going to turn on me. Nothing unites the diverse like the anglo.

Bob Dole always had very close ties to Albanian lobbyists. John McCain (of course!) was also big on bombing Serbs. Neocons too. “Moderate” Internationalist Republicans were generally in favour of NATO action as well. So basically the “Right” American voters preferred to anti-war Buchanan and libertarians.

Tangled Webs

Can’t say that I was ever much concerned with crime, other than a very few spots in Auckland. One must keep some perspective; I had, after all, been living in New Orleans. That said, the nature and extent of the alcohol abuse were unexpected.

Having never managed in my nearly 40 years of seafaring to return to NZ following the five weeks I spent tramping about there, mainly on the South Island, way back in ’81, I have to confess to being shocked at your transition. Certainly not the country I remember, where I am convinced that I laid eyes upon less than a handful of non-Pakeha/Maori faces. How the decades have changed us all…

Somewhere down south I dropped my wallet, and upon my return to the USA was utterly unsurprised to find my wallet had been mailed to me intact, NZ bills exchanged for US ones. Would this be as likely to happen today?

Pan Am thoughtfully neglected to load my backpack, so I got to spend a week in Auckland on their dime, while my pack made first westward, then eastward circumnavigations, and I was there treated to the Springbok rugby kerfuffle. Having nought to do but check in occasionally with Pan Am, I had an abundance of time to indulge my avocation of flaneur. While I can claim but few natural talents, a keen nose for finding trouble is one, so I soon enough was amongst the melee, involuntarily, and in the company of some epically Pythonesque lefties. Now, I have known some American lefties, but let me say that your lot put them to shame then, and I suspect, now. It’s not really surprising that our countries have ended up on similar paths, though your politicians are certainly having to work way harder, lacking a porous land border with the third world.

Earlier today I stumbled across a photo I shot from Mackinnon Pass, and could not help but remember what a treasure is your South Island. Now trouble has come to Paradise. You have my deepest sympathy.

IIRC correctly ‘Unholy Terror’ by John R Schindler was pretty good.

The neoliberal world order shows itself yet again unable to deal with or address what happens when you engage in “invade the world invite the world”.

Instead, doubling down on shaming language and using the tools of the state to enforce good think is all they have, and look how well its working out.

You throw people in prison for protesting their government inviting aliens into their neighborhood and what did you think was going to happen?

20th anniversary of the signing of the Rambouillet Agreement on March 18, 1999

Speaking about the Rambouillet Agreement it is always good to keep this in mind.

The Europeans, earnestly, sought an agreement that both sides could accept. But they also agreed with the Americans that any peace agreement would have to be enforced by an international military presence.

The leading allies were agreed that this force would have to be a Nato force. None wanted to repeat the very bruising experience of the UN Protection Force (Unprofor) in neighbouring Bosnia during the 1990s.

The Americans knew that because it had to be Nato, the chances of the Serbs accepting the deal were very small. They had a second acceptable outcome in mind.

“That meant the Serbs rejecting the plan and the Albanians accepting it,” Assistant Secretary of State Jamie Rubin told me.

Then, he added, there would be clarity where previously there had been confusion, clarity as to who was to blame, as to who Nato should oppose and who Nato should support.

It took weeks, but the US finally persuaded the Albanians to accept the plan. The Serbs rejected it. The European allies found themselves committed to the use of force against a sovereign European state.

So in other words the Americans, who were supposed to be an honest broker, actually helped broker a plan no one wanted, but told the Albanians to accept it because once the Serbs rejected it, the Serbs would be the bad guys. This is like bidding on a government contract where the government gives all the inside info to one party trying to ensure that party wins the contract.

IIRC correctly ‘Unholy Terror’ by John R Schindler was pretty good.

Thanks. It looks promising; the reviews on Amazon are good too.

The torrent hash-ID
E0511A1ACE47AEE00082ADD078A60630B7D3691A
is your friend.

The bombing of Serbia was led by the neocons. Neocons only care about Israel. Turkey before the rise of Erdogan was a close ally of Israel and the US. Turkey and Albanians have cultural and religious ties. The neocons were defending Israeli interests by using American military power to protects Turkish interests in Kosovo. The interesting question is if the same circumstances occurred today would Nato bomb Serbia. My educated guess is no. Turkey pursues an independent foreign policy under Erdogan. It refuses to kowtow to Israel and the US.

Christchurch is probably going to be one of those places where things tend to happen, despite being otherwise completely unremarkable. It has that feel about it. I drank 9 jugs of beer at the Carlton pub there in 1989, and I’ve never come close to that since. That’s got to tell you something.

Karl Popper wrote ‘The Open Society and its Enemies’ in Christchurch where he was excited during the war. I believe he was pretty bored.

During the bombing of Serbia there were a lot of horror stories about the Serbs being used to justify the bombings. On April 21, 1999, then Secretary of State Albright testified before Congress and stated the following which is now archived at the US Secretary of State’s website:

Many of the refugees streaming out of Kosovo have reported Serb war crimes and crimes against humanity. These reported abuses include the widespread and systematic destruction of entire settlements, the burning of homes, the seizure of civilians for use as human shields and human blood banks, the rape of ethnic Albanian women and girls, and the systematic separation and execution of military-aged men.

Serbs using people as ‘human blood banks’ is a nice touch. I suppose it was to elicit images of Count Dracula.

We are masters of per capita tables.

After the bombing, which was supposed to prevent ethnic cleansing stopped, NATO sat back and watched the Albanians ethnically cleanse Serbs and other enthnicities from Kosovo and did nothing. I can’t find it now, but there was an article in the BBC which quoted some NATO official as being disappointed at this new ethnic cleansing, but in the end he was resigned to accept it because once it was completed, there would no longer be any problems of ethnic strife.

“Now would be the time to change or end immigration”

Good idea but our rulers have deemed that the population has to/will continue to expand due to financial reasons.

If White people will not expand the population then the people from Asia/Africa will have to be brought in to continue that expansion.

Apparently only White people got the memo about overpopulation.

These students are Islamic supremacists. I do not remember them making vigils for the 30 victims killed in the surabaya church bombings that occured almost 1 year ago.

Can any one recommend a solid history book to explain the fall of Yugoslavia, the aftermath, and the deep background?

Assuming, hard, that’s the question asked in good faith, my 2 cents:
There is NO such book.

I’d go a big step further: there is NO single truth about all that.

Each ethnic group there has its own perception or reality and, consequently, the Truth.
Each of them.

You can spend a week with top thinkers from each group and walk from that experience more confused than before. Probably bordering, or …hehe…even over it…crazy.

Or…perhaps…it’s not so hard to understand.
A small piece of land contested by several groups for centuries. “We want to live here”.
All the rest is the result of it.

Actually the US troops were part of an international peace keeping force.

Americans and Israel agree that the liberty incident was an accident.

By comparison the marine barracks bombing was a deliberate act carried out by Lebanon and Iran and the various terror groups that are part and parcel of their government including hezbiola ,Islamic jihad ans others.

Iran erected a monument to the attackers in Tehran not far from where Iran publicly hanged Mona Mahmudinejad and 19 other female Bahai school teachers ,some as young as teenagers.

If I may:
“Yes”.

Caveat: “boys”.
Anyone over 13, then and there, was a fair game.
A 13 years old boy can hold an AK-47.

The region has a culture of “boy soldiers”.
If confused, please read up about Khmer Rouges and various African militias.

The Lebanon attack happened against soldiers in Lebanese territory

A suicide bombing on an international peace keeping force. Seems legit !!!!

Israel should not have been allowed to exist as a country after USS Liberty.

Lmao !!