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From the Washington Post news section:

Why BMI is a flawed health standard, especially for people of color

By Carly Stern
May 5, 2021 at 5:00 a.m. PDT

… BMI [body mass index] was invented about 200 years ago in an era that saw the creation of pseudoscientific theories such as social Darwinism that were used to justify nationalism, racism and eugenics. The index was established by Belgian mathematician Lambert Adolphe Jacques Quetelet, who sought to measure the height and weight of the “average” man based on a sample of White, European men. He saw this average as an ideal. …

But, as we now know, statistics are racist.

Today, some experts argue, this measure is no longer relevant to the country’s population. America’s demographic fabric has dramatically shifted over the past century. People of color make up 40 percent of the U.S. population, and research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions. While the WHO released adjusted cut points for people of Asian descent, who have a higher risk of certain metabolic diseases at lower BMI, leading institutions have not adopted metrics specific to Latino and Black people. So when BMI is applied to everyone in the country, “we presume that how we were in the 1940s really reflects how we are in 2021 — and you can see how that might be problematic,” said Stanford.

I can never remember: Is it racist to not adjust medical measures for racial differences, or is it racist to notice race exists (which, of course, it does not)? Seriously, we now have a huge amount of data and all the computer processing power imaginable, so why not adjust for different races?

Stanford is among the researchers who have proposed adjustments to the index to reflect racial and ethnic variation in body composition. She and her colleagues used data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey between 1999 and 2016 to suggest BMI curve shifts for Black, White and Latino people that correspond with metabolic risk. Their findings, presented in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings in 2019, suggest that cut points for Black, White and Latino men shift downward. Cut points for Latinas and White women also would be lower, while thresholds for Black women would be higher.

But others in the field favor scrapping the measure altogether, pointing to heightened national focus on systemic racism as a moment to call attention to disparate treatment that can stem from BMI — and usher in new approaches designed for all bodies. “This level of mistrust between Black communities and the health-care system needs to come to some sort of head, and I think we’re there now,” said Carter, the dietitian.

By the way, Quetelet was a giant. For thousands of years, governments had been collecting census data on people (I can think of at least three censuses mentioned in the Bible). But virtually nobody thought of doing much with the numbers. Wikipedia reports:

The new science of probability and statistics was mainly used in astronomy at the time, where it was essential to account for measurement errors around means. This was done using the method of least squares. Quetelet was among the first to apply statistics to social science, planning what he called “social physics”. He was keenly aware of the overwhelming complexity of social phenomena, and the many variables that needed measurement. His goal was to understand the statistical laws underlying such phenomena as crime rates, marriage rates or suicide rates. He wanted to explain the values of these variables by other social factors. These ideas were rather controversial among other scientists at the time who held that it contradicted the concept of freedom of choice.

… his concept of the “average man” (l’homme moyen) who is characterized by the mean values of measured variables that follow a normal distribution.

… Quetelet was an influential figure in criminology. Along with Andre-Michel Guerry, he helped to establish the cartographic school and positivist schools of criminology which made extensive use of statistical techniques. Through statistical analysis, Quetelet gained insight into the relationships between crime and other social factors. Among his findings were strong relationships between age and crime, as well as gender and crime. Other influential factors he found included climate, poverty, education, and alcohol consumption, with his research findings published in Of the Development of the Propensity to Crime.[11]

Anthropometry
In his 1835 text on social physics, in which he presented his theory of human variance around the average, with human traits being distributed according to a normal curve, he proposed that normal variation provided a basis for the idea that populations produce sufficient variation for artificial or natural selection to operate.

In terms of influence over later public health agendas, one of Quetelet’s lasting legacies was the establishment of a simple measure for classifying people’s weight relative to an ideal for their height. His proposal, the body mass index (or Quetelet index), has endured with minor variations to the present day.

Anthropometric data is used in modern applications and referenced in the development of every consumer-based product.

 
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  1. Calling people fat is racist, in much the same way that acknowledging race replacement is anti-semitic.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Charon


    Calling people fat is racist, in much the same way that acknowledging race replacement is anti-semitic.
     
    Maybe this "it's racist" thing will work in the case of sexual attractiveness. Authorities can simply decree that black hair is the most beautiful, sexy hair around. And the facial features of black women are the most feminine and gorgeous imaginable. Fashion magazines can be regulated. Your porno logs will be monitored to make sure your viewing isn't racist. Dating sites can set quotas and verify meatspace meetings. Marriage licenses will be issued in a quota system also. Resumes will have a space for race of girlfriend or wife.
  2. research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions.

    Except for the part of the body known as the brain, which is exactly identical for all races.

    Notes
    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Charon


    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.
     
    The counterpart to Jennifer Roback Morse's pithy encapsulation of feminism: "Men and women are exactly alike, except women are better."

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Truth
    @Charon


    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.
     
    Alright.

    After ALL THESE YEARS you people are finally learning something.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Charon



    research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions.

     

    Except for the part of the body known as the brain, which is exactly identical for all races.

    Notes
    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.
     
    Minoritarianism is stupid. 95% of "journalism" today is simply a demonstration of that.

    But beyond that, one thing that stands out in stories that start with a whine ... does anything positive come from the writing of the "Carly Stern"s out there. If we simply cancelled all "journalism" from these reporterettes journalism--while still an utter disaster--would be about an order of magnitude less whiny and stupid.
  3. Is BMI Racist?

    The first thing that came to mind was Broadcast Music International. That was the anti-racist force 80 years ago.

    ASCAP represented the cream of Broadway and Hollywood and maintained high standards, but were a bit too exclusive, with no room for country, black, or Latin music. Okay, but they got a bit greedy in 1940 and withheld their catalogue from broadcast, essentially a songwriters’ strike. They wanted their royalties doubled.

    A lot of classical, foreign and public domain music got played instead (e.g., the Mexican “Perfidia”), but people wanted new material as well. So the radio men formed BMI to sign up new composers and lyricists. They scooped up everybody ASCAP spurned. It worked– ASCAP ended up settling for quite a bit less than they’d already had. Ouch.

    Enough OT. Back to the other BMI…

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, as you run like a rabbit, forced to White Flight over and over again, I bet your BMI stays in the healthy zone! It's not your fault, it's the anti-White policies used to target a specific group for harm.

    https://www.dailydogstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/dog-chasing-a-rabbit-because-of-its-instinct-to-hunt-prey.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar


    A lot of classical, foreign and public domain music got played instead (e.g., the Mexican “Perfidia”)
     
    I like the Mexican-American "Perfidia."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y35rY5VMOY0

    Replies: @Highlander

  4. @Charon

    research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions.
     
    Except for the part of the body known as the brain, which is exactly identical for all races.

    Notes
    1. Except that race doesn't exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Truth, @AnotherDad

    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.

    The counterpart to Jennifer Roback Morse’s pithy encapsulation of feminism: “Men and women are exactly alike, except women are better.”

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    Creepy Joe said a few weeks ago that women can do everything as well as, or better than, men.

    There are so many things that disqualify him from being a political leader but this one certainly does. And it can't be chalked up to his senility, as he has been a pathetic simp for his whole life.

    In regards to the article, one of the most accurate litmus tests to determine whether someone has anything of value to say is whether they think "Latino" is a race or not. I mean I can't imagine how low one's IQ must be to think Cameron Diaz, Celia Cruz, Alberto Fujimori and Evo Morales are all the same race. I think people just use "Latino" to mean "the average Mexican," but then why don't they just say that?

  5. Big if true.

    https://redstate.com/jeffc/2021/04/29/breaking-biden-official-confirms-plans-to-ban-fried-chicken-and-grape-drink-n371319

    It’ll be super funny if Biden pumps up gun issues in the media only to swipe menthol cigarettes, fried chicken, and “purple drank” off the US national menu. I’ve known kids who DESPISED Michelle Obama’s healthy food initiatives in the public schools. Looks like they were practice run experiments.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Kronos

    A few years ago they banned all sorts of flavored cigarettes, although somehow my beloved clove cigarettes just got renamed into "cigars" despite apparently being identical to the old ones.


    The ban did not include menthol cigarettes, which I saw as a completely illogical thing (barring the political implications). So now they are just following through on the same nanny state logic as before

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Travis

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Kronos

    Kronos, in Berkeley stores can not have sugar added drinks, snacks, candy or gum on display at the check out counter. Here in WNY, cigarettes are not to be found at drug stores or supermarkets. Plastic grocery bags are also banned. In Canada you have to go to a government controlled store to buy beer and another one for wine or liquor. But blacks have the ability to bulk up while living in a food desert. Roxanne Gay, at about 500 pounds, says systemic racism is what makes black women obese. I saw her on stage with oprah, who has to temerity to be a spokesperson for a weight loss plan. Some people are, hmmm, just different. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  6. BMI is just not especially useful for anything other than selling people stuff because they are allegedly too skinny or too fat (Hey – it works either way!) . Much like the concept of “generations” – Baby boomers, millenials etc, it sounds all objective and scientific but it is first and foremost a marketing tool, not a scientific one…. so if it goes away then good riddance.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @raga10

    Greetings, fellow fatty!

    , @Not only wrathful
    @raga10

    We aren't all body composition scientists. Some of us find simple measures necessary.*

    *not me of course, I am special, my BMI is overweight even while I am slim.**

    **I need to mention that in case someone confuses me with the plebs who need BMI and get "marketed to"***

    *** not that marketing works on me, I am special, I only buy products and services that are useful to me****

    ****wait, isn't most marketing nowadays about finding someone who will actually like your product/service so you get a repeat customer?

  7. BMI is a useful but somewhat crude tool for determining whether people are overweight.

    To some extent people like sportsmen may show up as overweight if they are heavily muscled, but then again they know who they are and doctors are perfectly capable of determining whether individuals need to lose weight and making recommendations if necessary.

    African Americans, as is well known to the medical profession, suffer disproportionately from high blood pressure and type II diabetes, which are related to being overweight, so even a crude measurement is useful to remind people that they may be at risk.

    While some black people may be more muscular or have heavier bones, there are also many who are just overweight or obese.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2bHmRZYzQxEpUBAG7

    He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Oh Lord He Comin!”

    https://youtu.be/zFJP-dR-XpQ

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @Charon, @fish

    , @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    But if I'm reading the article correctly it's saying that Asian cut points are lower, and that also applies to every other group except black women. So what this article is really about is BIG BLACK BUTTS.

    Replies: @Charon, @Pericles, @Anonymous Jew

    , @Achilleus
    @Jonathan Mason


    African Americans, as is well known to the medical profession, suffer disproportionately fromhigh blood pressure and type II diabetes…
     
    Again, the Negro is permitted no agency…
    , @Dr. Krieger
    @Jonathan Mason

    When I studied Visual Basic programming, we made a BMI program. It wasn't based on height and weight alone. There were measurements like wrist and thigh circumference and some limb lengths. This helped with the problem of muscled people that weigh a lot for their height

  8. This is NOT good….

    • LOL: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @notsaying
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Things may not be as bad as they seem here. I looked the doctor's name up and it turns out a lot of this story is questionable.

    ABC7 San Francisco had a story that quoted his ex-wife who is also a doctor.

    "Dr. Rajendra Kapila was 81-years-old, in the age group most vulnerable to the virus. He also had underlying conditions of diabetes and heart complications."

    https://abc7news.com/rutgers-professor-dies-covid-19-india-coronavirus-outbreak-dr-rajenda-kapila-infectious-disease/10583869/

    This article says it isn't known if he got vaccinated but it is hard to believe he wasn't, given his age and specialty. I don't think he has a father-in-law unless he remarried a much younger woman.

    I have to wonder after seeing the Indian hospitals on TV recently if he was actually tested and found positive for Covid-19 and if so, what variant. He could have just been presumed to have Covid-19; the hospital where he worked would only confirm to snopes.com that he died. I hope somebody will say if he had Covid-19 for sure and if he was vaccinated.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dr-rajendra-kapila-dies-covid-19/

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    , @PiltdownMan
    @JohnnyWalker123

    About a quarter of the people in a small outbreak in a Singapore hospital were fully vaccinated. However, their symptoms were mild.



    Nine of 40 Covid-19 cases in TTSH cluster were vaccinated and had mild to no symptoms

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/nine-of-the-40-covid-19-cases-in-the-ttsh-cluster-who-were-vaccinated-had-mild-to-no

    Of the 40 Covid-19 cases in the Tan Tock Seng Hospital (TTSH) cluster, the nine who had received full doses of the Covid-19 vaccinations were either asymptomatic or exhibited mild symptoms, and none had required oxygen support.

    Seven of them are staff, while the other two are patients, said Ministry of Health (MOH) director of medical services Kenneth Mak in an update on Tuesday (May 4).

    However, among those who had not been vaccinated, seven required oxygen therapy, said Associate Professor Mak at the multi-ministry task force on Covid-19 press conference.

     


     
    , @AndrewR
    @JohnnyWalker123

    81 year old man with pre-existing conditions dies. Are we sure COVID-1984 had anything to do with it? I'm sure his death will be used to justify more totalitarianism.

    , @J.Ross
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The medical profession must be made to pay for this whole mess. A millennial overhaul is necessary. Already, huge numbers of people have had their eyes opened to how smart, honest, and reliable doctors aren't, and if doctors want their credibility back it will take more than seizing unconstitutional power and yelling at people.

  9. Anonymous[707] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, any thoughts on California’s gubernatorial recall election this year? Who will you be supporting?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Perhaps he's trying to make up his mind. Mary Carey or Angelyne?

    , @Morton's toes
    @Anonymous

    https://cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/5502557042001/b37f5120-98ac-46d7-b97d-e9150592f255/d464e5a7-29cd-4515-9e29-597f72047621/1280x720/match/image.jpg

    Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk, @fish, @The Alarmist

  10. @Jonathan Mason
    BMI is a useful but somewhat crude tool for determining whether people are overweight.

    To some extent people like sportsmen may show up as overweight if they are heavily muscled, but then again they know who they are and doctors are perfectly capable of determining whether individuals need to lose weight and making recommendations if necessary.

    African Americans, as is well known to the medical profession, suffer disproportionately from high blood pressure and type II diabetes, which are related to being overweight, so even a crude measurement is useful to remind people that they may be at risk.

    While some black people may be more muscular or have heavier bones, there are also many who are just overweight or obese.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2bHmRZYzQxEpUBAG7


    He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Henry's Cat, @Achilleus, @Dr. Krieger

    “Oh Lord He Comin!”

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
    @Kronos

    In the unedited version of that trip to the pizza place, those two left with a much smaller guy who was never seen again.

    , @Charon
    @Kronos

    Apologies to any fatties up in here, but the simple fact is that making fun of fat people is good clean fun, and you know it as well as we do.

    That said, once the BMI is over 35 they should no longer be covered by Medicaid or insurance. And once they can't fit in the doorway to the ER, they shouldn't be covered there either.

    Q: Are these people even capable of procreating? I presume there's some pr0n subculture pertaining to that? Nvm, please forget I asked.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams

    , @fish
    @Kronos

    Whiskey's greatest fear.....a black guy with the largest testicles ever!

    Replies: @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar

  11. @raga10
    BMI is just not especially useful for anything other than selling people stuff because they are allegedly too skinny or too fat (Hey - it works either way!) . Much like the concept of "generations" - Baby boomers, millenials etc, it sounds all objective and scientific but it is first and foremost a marketing tool, not a scientific one.... so if it goes away then good riddance.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Not only wrathful

    Greetings, fellow fatty!

  12. @Reg Cæsar

    Is BMI Racist?
     
    The first thing that came to mind was Broadcast Music International. That was the anti-racist force 80 years ago.

    ASCAP represented the cream of Broadway and Hollywood and maintained high standards, but were a bit too exclusive, with no room for country, black, or Latin music. Okay, but they got a bit greedy in 1940 and withheld their catalogue from broadcast, essentially a songwriters' strike. They wanted their royalties doubled.

    A lot of classical, foreign and public domain music got played instead (e.g., the Mexican "Perfidia"), but people wanted new material as well. So the radio men formed BMI to sign up new composers and lyricists. They scooped up everybody ASCAP spurned. It worked-- ASCAP ended up settling for quite a bit less than they'd already had. Ouch.

    Enough OT. Back to the other BMI...

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @PiltdownMan

    Reg, as you run like a rabbit, forced to White Flight over and over again, I bet your BMI stays in the healthy zone! It’s not your fault, it’s the anti-White policies used to target a specific group for harm.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor

    While you pine for the halcyon days when they couldn't sit next to you in the diner, but were allowed to "work" in the kitchen. Spitting in the food.

    At least I can feel safe in the eateries around here.

    Nice try, Crow.

    Jim Corvinus.

  13. What do these complainers want? What would they use to replace the BMI that would convey the same I formation but more accurate?

    People who are overweight are treated differently but that is not done by BMI but by how much they weigh or their appearance.

    It is a continuing source of amazement to me how that certain portion of the population that is weight obsessed and insists on being underweight coexists with the much bigger part of the population that is overweight or obese and is getting bigger. Childhood obesity figures can break your heart.

    It is impossible not to conclude that Americans experience a lot of churning emotions that end up being tied to food and that food is used like a drug. These are the kind of food problems that we should be worried about.

    BMI is the least of our food and health problems.

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
    @notsaying

    How we learned to stop worrying and love Cheetos.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @notsaying


    People who are overweight are treated differently but that is not done by BMI but by how much they weigh or their appearance.
     
    In the black community there are lower standards vis-à-vis appearance when it comes to body weight.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Buffalo Joe

  14. Quetelet was a nutcase who believed that l’homme moyen was the ideal. He also didn’t understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    That alone rules out BMI as a useful measure for anyone more than 1sd above or below average height (which is still 5’9″, with s.d. of ~3″).

    As I’ve said before, Quetelet’s idea of the ‘ideal man’ being average in all dimensions, would be a fucking disaster in practice… imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.

    For all its manifest, manifold faults, the fact that the current system yields supernormal returns to IQ (up to about 2σ above the mean) is preferable, even though it results in capture by political parasites (IQ ~115-120, but sociopaths)… but that’s mostly because people of below +2σ IQ are permitted to be involved in the selection process.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Kratoklastes


    He also didn’t understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.
     
    Thanks: I'd never heard that critique or thought of it, although it's obvious the moment you see it. Presumably there's a very simple statistical fix the CDC could use to correct their series on prevalence of overweight and obesity accordingly.
    , @res
    @Kratoklastes


    He also didn’t understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.
     
    He apparently was aware of it.
    https://people.maths.ox.ac.uk/trefethen/bmi.html

    The BMI was known for many years as the Quetelet Index until it was renamed the BMI by the American Ancel Keys. But Quetelet himself was well aware of the [complexity of the] choice of scaling. Here is a quote from his book "A Treatise on Man and the Development of his Faculties", 1842:

    If man increased equally in all dimensions, his weight at different ages would be as the cube of his height. Now, this is not what we really observe. The increase of weight is slower, except during the first year after birth; then the proportion we have just pointed out is pretty regularly observed. But after this period, and until near the age of puberty, weight increases nearly as the square of the height. The development of weight again becomes very rapid at puberty, and almost stops after the twenty-fifth year. In general, we do not err much when we assume that during development the squares of the weight at different ages are as the fifth powers of the height; which naturally leads to this conclusion, in supporting the specific gravity constant, that the transverse growth of man is less than the vertical.

    [In the next paragraph, however, Quetelet does indeed suggest the exponent 2 for fully grown adults.]

     

    The exponent 2.5 appears to be a better fit to reality. Which is the topic of that page.

    The average as ideal idea is interesting in the context of many traits/biomarkers. It's clearly broken in some cases (especially in dysfunctional populations, consider average weight in the US), but seems to work more often than not (especially if you are willing to consider fudging things to somewhere within the middle 50%, i.e. second and third quartiles).

    BMI seems like a useful statistical concept for populations, but it can break badly in individual cases. The big issues I see are tall/short people (as you note), muscular people, and people with unusual body dimensions (e.g. torso/leg ratio).

    IQ is an interesting exception as you note.

    , @James J O'Meara
    @Kratoklastes

    If I understand you correctly, Q was an example of a high-IQ nerd whose particular obsession was idealizing The Norm in everything, so everything needs to be regulated and ironed out. That seems to be peculiar to the French (the Revolution, Comte, liberty etc., metric system, Washington DC street grid, and so on) while the German type seems to go for the "to Hell with the rabble, society should be run by me and my Master Race types (Schopenhauer, Hegel, Nietzsche, Frankfurt School, Spengler etc.). Are the French simply mediocre by nature? (Compare their twee little music to the Germans). Hence, by compensation, the obsession with "la gloire".

    , @Mycale
    @Kratoklastes


    ... imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.
     
    That’s a lot better than where we are headed, as TPTB work to engineer a society driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons, and numerical competence of someone with an IQ of 85.

    See: California trying to eliminate advanced math because students with IQ of 85 just don’t get it.
    , @Philip Neal
    @Kratoklastes

    Alternatively, what Plato meant by an Idea, a Platonic form - an ideal man or horse or whatever which you never actually encounter - was the average man/horse/etc. Plato had the concept of things being the same and yet different, and he also had the concept of least squares (which is just the Pythagorean theorem in n-space)), but Quetelet put the two together and Plato did not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  15. It’s kind of hilarious. Their appear to be two schools of thought here. One, associated with MCP 2019 advocates using more refined, granular data to adjust points of concern on BMI index. This is no different that changing recommendation for medicating based on cholesterol number, changing age recommendation for first mammogram etc. Something that’s done all the time based on accumulation of new evidence. Two , however is a demand for Lizzo affirmation because BMI was invented by ,quelle horreur!, a Belgian. Do you know what King Leopold’s Belgians did in the Congo?! QED. Gimme dat ice cream racist.

  16. Well, they’re not wrong — I don’t know about “racism,” but BMI really does need to be scrapped, at least at the individual level.

    I mean, according to BMI, I’ve been “overweight” my entire adult life — even back when I was a workout/health fanatic in my 30s. Back then I was killing myself at the gym six days a week, and I STILL qualified as “overweight.” Every alternative measure of obesity showed I was fine and perfectly healthy, and I got regular compliments on my appearance — but according to BMI, I was still just a big ol’ lard-ass. Crazy. My dad, who was a lifelong athlete and major health fanatic, was the same way.

    It was infuriating. To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.

    • Replies: @Dan Smith
    @Mr. Blank

    I agree. Back in my marathon running days (2:28 personal best) I was weight obsessed like many others who competed. Being 5’6” and 130 pounds, my BMI was 21.0, smack in the middle of normal. I have more muscular thighs than your average Kenyan superstar. My caliper measured body fat was 5 percent, so I gave up trying to lose more weight. It wasn’t going to happen. BMI is a back of the envelope kind of tool, not all that precise but useful for populations.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Mr. Blank

    So what was your height and weight?

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Mr. Blank

    I'm fairly certain the BMI was invented by the Asian male physician who felt insecure in the presence of the large apish white man who caught the eye of his girlfriend at the check-in counter.

    , @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @Mr. Blank


    To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.
     
    Yes, more or less. BMI is a population statistic that does not consider the many normal individual variations. Naively applying BMI to individuals is a logical fallacy.
    , @S. Anonyia
    @Mr. Blank

    Don’t get so defensive about it. You can be both overweight and fit. However it isn’t necessarily great for the cardiovascular system even if it’s aesthetically appealing.

    Normal BMIs don’t look like underwear models or concentration camp victims. They look like the men and women from photos in the 1940s.

    I’m only 10 pounds away from the BMI overweight category despite also having an intensive exercise regimen. However, I don’t think fitness level matters; I lost more weight in Europe simply walking everywhere than from all my running, HIIT, and biking here. We Americans simply don’t walk enough.

    Taking over 10,000 steps a day seems to be ideal.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @The Last Real Calvinist

  17. @Kronos
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Oh Lord He Comin!”

    https://youtu.be/zFJP-dR-XpQ

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @Charon, @fish

    In the unedited version of that trip to the pizza place, those two left with a much smaller guy who was never seen again.

    • LOL: Kronos
  18. @notsaying
    What do these complainers want? What would they use to replace the BMI that would convey the same I formation but more accurate?

    People who are overweight are treated differently but that is not done by BMI but by how much they weigh or their appearance.

    It is a continuing source of amazement to me how that certain portion of the population that is weight obsessed and insists on being underweight coexists with the much bigger part of the population that is overweight or obese and is getting bigger. Childhood obesity figures can break your heart.

    It is impossible not to conclude that Americans experience a lot of churning emotions that end up being tied to food and that food is used like a drug. These are the kind of food problems that we should be worried about.

    BMI is the least of our food and health problems.

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @ScarletNumber

    How we learned to stop worrying and love Cheetos.

  19. @Anonymous
    Steve, any thoughts on California's gubernatorial recall election this year? Who will you be supporting?

    Replies: @anon, @Morton's toes

    Perhaps he’s trying to make up his mind. Mary Carey or Angelyne?

  20. @notsaying
    What do these complainers want? What would they use to replace the BMI that would convey the same I formation but more accurate?

    People who are overweight are treated differently but that is not done by BMI but by how much they weigh or their appearance.

    It is a continuing source of amazement to me how that certain portion of the population that is weight obsessed and insists on being underweight coexists with the much bigger part of the population that is overweight or obese and is getting bigger. Childhood obesity figures can break your heart.

    It is impossible not to conclude that Americans experience a lot of churning emotions that end up being tied to food and that food is used like a drug. These are the kind of food problems that we should be worried about.

    BMI is the least of our food and health problems.

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @ScarletNumber

    People who are overweight are treated differently but that is not done by BMI but by how much they weigh or their appearance.

    In the black community there are lower standards vis-à-vis appearance when it comes to body weight.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @ScarletNumber

    This is true. I figured though that these people worried about race and weight are concerned about how white people treat overweight and obese nonwhites. I doubt they are thinking about how whites treat overweight and obese whites.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @ScarletNumber

    Scarlet, but there should be a law on who can buy and wear bike shorts or yoga pants.

  21. @Anonymous
    Steve, any thoughts on California's gubernatorial recall election this year? Who will you be supporting?

    Replies: @anon, @Morton's toes

    • Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    @Morton's toes

    It's Ma'khia Bryant!

    , @fish
    @Morton's toes

    Yeah......Cox isn't going to win....I still like the marketing though.

    Extra points for really making Gavin look just like Christian Bale in "American Psycho"!

    , @The Alarmist
    @Morton's toes

    Joe Biden: “Hold my beer ... I’ve got a bear to poke for my friends in Kiev.”

  22. BMI must be complemented with the HMI – the Hair Mass Index – and the ICI – Ink Coverage Index to bring it up to date. A source who spoke on condition of anonymity assured me that one of the regular topics of conversation during routine surgery in theatre is the ICI; no singing or mugging for the cameras, mind.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Cortes

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hospital-slang/

    Replies: @Cortes, @Alfa158, @photondancer

  23. BMI is racist against muscular men. My BMI is 31, ergo obese. I tell people that I am obese and they laugh at the absurdity

    • Troll: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @James Braxton
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Your joints might not be laughing as you get older.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @anon
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    BMI is racist against muscular men.

    When did "muscular men" become a race? Have you been watching those gladiator movies again?

  24. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is NOT good....

    https://twitter.com/WCWOA/status/1390156355533692934

    Replies: @notsaying, @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @J.Ross

    Things may not be as bad as they seem here. I looked the doctor’s name up and it turns out a lot of this story is questionable.

    ABC7 San Francisco had a story that quoted his ex-wife who is also a doctor.

    “Dr. Rajendra Kapila was 81-years-old, in the age group most vulnerable to the virus. He also had underlying conditions of diabetes and heart complications.”

    https://abc7news.com/rutgers-professor-dies-covid-19-india-coronavirus-outbreak-dr-rajenda-kapila-infectious-disease/10583869/

    This article says it isn’t known if he got vaccinated but it is hard to believe he wasn’t, given his age and specialty. I don’t think he has a father-in-law unless he remarried a much younger woman.

    I have to wonder after seeing the Indian hospitals on TV recently if he was actually tested and found positive for Covid-19 and if so, what variant. He could have just been presumed to have Covid-19; the hospital where he worked would only confirm to snopes.com that he died. I hope somebody will say if he had Covid-19 for sure and if he was vaccinated.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dr-rajendra-kapila-dies-covid-19/

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @notsaying

    Oh for the days when everyone knew that a diabetic 81-year-old with heart problems is living on borrowed time.

  25. @ScarletNumber
    @notsaying


    People who are overweight are treated differently but that is not done by BMI but by how much they weigh or their appearance.
     
    In the black community there are lower standards vis-à-vis appearance when it comes to body weight.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Buffalo Joe

    This is true. I figured though that these people worried about race and weight are concerned about how white people treat overweight and obese nonwhites. I doubt they are thinking about how whites treat overweight and obese whites.

  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is NOT good....

    https://twitter.com/WCWOA/status/1390156355533692934

    Replies: @notsaying, @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @J.Ross

    About a quarter of the people in a small outbreak in a Singapore hospital were fully vaccinated. However, their symptoms were mild.

    Nine of 40 Covid-19 cases in TTSH cluster were vaccinated and had mild to no symptoms

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/nine-of-the-40-covid-19-cases-in-the-ttsh-cluster-who-were-vaccinated-had-mild-to-no

    Of the 40 Covid-19 cases in the Tan Tock Seng Hospital (TTSH) cluster, the nine who had received full doses of the Covid-19 vaccinations were either asymptomatic or exhibited mild symptoms, and none had required oxygen support.

    Seven of them are staff, while the other two are patients, said Ministry of Health (MOH) director of medical services Kenneth Mak in an update on Tuesday (May 4).

    However, among those who had not been vaccinated, seven required oxygen therapy, said Associate Professor Mak at the multi-ministry task force on Covid-19 press conference.

  27. OT — from the Boston Globe:

    City of Boston, MBTA unveil digital billboards celebrating Asian American strength, resilience

    Amid Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, dozens of digital billboards around Greater Boston boast slogans supporting the country’s largest diaspora.

    Stand with us, some read. We belong here. Protect our elders.

    The signs are emblazoned with faces of people hailing from Korea to Bangladesh and crafted in a flurry of bold colors. A few plainly state that Asian American residents “are more than” a long list of stereotypes — more than “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” “the helpless refugee,” “the nail lady,” “the Tiger mom.”

    Together with the City of Boston and the MBTA, Chinatown’s Pao Arts Center stationed the signs in 80 locations.

    The smug, sullen faces will likely inspire more Black-on-Yaller kung pow beatdowns.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why does George Takei want us to stand with him? Well, at least it's better than lying with him.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Polistra
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Speaking of, yet another incident of white supremacist violence upon Asian Women

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/baltimore-asian-bias-attack-727.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=300


    A man was arrested after he repeatedly struck the two victims, ages 66 and 67, in the head with a cinder block, according to NBC.

    The victims were liquor store employees who were closing up shop Tuesday morning when Daryl Doles, 50, allegedly broke into the store and attacked them, according to the report.

    Surveillance video shared by the outlet shows the man wrestling one worker to the ground and hitting her with the cinder block, while an unidentified cowardly man in the store appears to step aside and watch the attack before calmly walking outside.

    https://nypost.com/2021/05/05/two-asian-women-beaten-with-cinder-block-in-baltimore/
     

    Won't Biden do something to stop this epidemic? Before it becomes a Pandemic!

    Police have linked the disturbing national trend of anti-Asian attacks to coronavirus pandemic-related bias.
     
    , @International Jew
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I nominate that word, resilience, to be the new, politically correct, replacement for BMI. Thus Stacy Abrams is no longer fat, or high-BMI, she's resilient; stuff thrown at her tends to bounce off more energetically.

    Replies: @res

    , @3g4me
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    @26 Jenner Ickham Errican: The new Soviet man in yellow/brownface. Truly inspirational. Yet, somehow, I still have zero FTG.

    , @James J O'Meara
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    So, Asians are "more than" just, merely, simply, “the future doctor,” “the straight A student." Methinks this is a psyop by a certain other ethnic group that is quite proud to be “the future doctor,” “the straight A student," etc.

    , @Known Fact
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The NYC media is still absolutely loving this "Rash of Anti-Asian Assaults" theme, while of course lacking the same enthusiasm for identifying the culprits -- or comparing per-capita Asian assaults vs. assault victims in general.

    Now every group needs its victimhood, and NYC Sikhs are starting to complain about assaults as well -- though unlike elderly little Asians, the Sikhs I've seen around Queens do not look like people to wisely be messed with. Do we have any free months left? OK, give them a month.

  28. @Reg Cæsar
    @Charon


    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.
     
    The counterpart to Jennifer Roback Morse's pithy encapsulation of feminism: "Men and women are exactly alike, except women are better."

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Creepy Joe said a few weeks ago that women can do everything as well as, or better than, men.

    There are so many things that disqualify him from being a political leader but this one certainly does. And it can’t be chalked up to his senility, as he has been a pathetic simp for his whole life.

    In regards to the article, one of the most accurate litmus tests to determine whether someone has anything of value to say is whether they think “Latino” is a race or not. I mean I can’t imagine how low one’s IQ must be to think Cameron Diaz, Celia Cruz, Alberto Fujimori and Evo Morales are all the same race. I think people just use “Latino” to mean “the average Mexican,” but then why don’t they just say that?

  29. You’re astonishingly.. whiny

    • Troll: Richard B
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Kimmelson


    You’re astonishingly.. whiny
     
    You're astonishingly ducky, and corvine. Tag-teaming?



    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61NLUrQaSBL._AC_UX385_.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/26/88/00/268800737edd4cf5f20417a4e35ef08f--party-decoration-ideas-parties-decorations.jpg
  30. Anon[100] • Disclaimer says:

    My own opinion is that you could do a lot to cure obesity in this country and eliminate Type 2 diabetes by bumping up the recommended amount of iodine in the average vitamin pill from 150 micrograms to 200 to 250 micrograms.

    150 is most emphatically not the ideal amount that your body needs; it’s only the amount that’s just enough to prevent goiter. For your body to operate at its peak of health you need more than that. Iodine is an important regulator of your insulin and blood sugar. If your iodine levels are low, your metabolism will slow down, you’ll start gaining weight, your blood sugar will get out of control.

    We have a whole country of people walking around who are mildly hypothyroid, getting fatter as they age, and courting type 2 diabetes who would benefit from more iodine. Once you’re out of your skinny youth and you start putting on a few pounds, you’re no longer getting enough iodine per kilogram of body weight if you’re only getting 150 micrograms.

    But don’t take megadoses. Don’t take milligrams or grams, just a few more micrograms. You don’t need to screw up your thyroid with megadoses.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anon

    You have a good point there. I think most Americans are getting zero or close to zero iodine in their diets.

    Replies: @Carol, @Uncle Dan

    , @Anon
    @Anon

    Overweight/obesity has doubled in the last 40 years. Does that coincide with an iodine cut?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @sayless

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Anon

    So, Anon [100], how do you obtain "a few micrograms" of extra iodine and avoid overdosing? Do you take an extra half vitamin pill or what?

    Or just up your intake of seafood and dairy products?

    Your advice is very dangerous and irresponsible.

    Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized. This is a measure to ensure that the population gets sufficient dietary iodine as the people who are most vulnerable to iodine deficiency are those who live far from the ocean.

    Yes, "middle age spread" is a thing, but if the solution was simply to add more iodine to the diet, don't you think medical researchers would have figured this out long ago?

    Replies: @Anon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Bozo the Clown

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anon

    "goiter"

    Sprinkle some iodized salt over your fried goiter. That'll help prevent goiter.

  31. @Kronos
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Oh Lord He Comin!”

    https://youtu.be/zFJP-dR-XpQ

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @Charon, @fish

    Apologies to any fatties up in here, but the simple fact is that making fun of fat people is good clean fun, and you know it as well as we do.

    That said, once the BMI is over 35 they should no longer be covered by Medicaid or insurance. And once they can’t fit in the doorway to the ER, they shouldn’t be covered there either.

    Q: Are these people even capable of procreating? I presume there’s some pr0n subculture pertaining to that? Nvm, please forget I asked.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Charon


    Apologies to any fatties up in here, but the simple fact is that making fun of fat people is good clean fun, and you know it as well as we do.
     
    First you shun us; then you ridicule us; then you throw us to our deaths from moving trollies. Is it any wonder we're driven to bury our sorrows in food?

    When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes, I all alone beweep my outcast state ... and then I go to Arby's and order a roast-beef gyro with (overly salty) crinkle fries and a root-beer float. Or I go to Dairy Queen and order a medium Reese's Blizzard. Or I do both. And then I justify it to myself by saying that I'm dirty bulking.

    Q: Are these people even capable of procreating? I presume there’s some pr0n subculture pertaining to that? Nvm, please forget I asked.
     
    I can confirm that, despite my pronounced rotundity of figure, I have absolutely zero interest in watching videos of fat people fornicating.

    (For the record, I once knew a really skinny guy who was into that kind of stuff. He wouldn't shut up about it. Freaky.)

    As for my own sex life ... well, I haven't gotten any lately. (This will come as quite a shock, no doubt.) Fortunately, I have enough contempt for women not to take their rejections personally. (MGTOW and loser are two different things! I swear!)

    I do keep abreast of the latest exciting developments in the world of interactive sexbots. Within a few years they'll be selling models that can cook and clean, and when that happens the human race will go extinct. Why go through all the hassle of finding a suitable woman, slogging through an endless series of shit tests, marrying her, pretending not to notice when she gains fifty pounds and chops off most of her hair, and praying every night that she won't wake up the next morning and decide that she needs to "fulfill her true inner self" by divorcing you and seizing the majority of your assets? No more pretending to care about some flaky gal's feelings; just say, "Bitch, coffee," and she'll bring you your breakfast. If you're really lucky, she'll go haywire one night and stab you to death with an ice pick, thus sparing you the horrors of life in Clown World Amerika.

    Yay future!
    , @Stan Adams
    @Charon

    For the record, I submitted an answer to your question, but the comment is trapped in moderation hell.

    I'm thinking of starting a blog called Life in the Fat Lane, in which I document the trials and tribulations of the fabulous life of a tubby incel.

  32. @Kronos
    Big if true.

    https://redstate.com/jeffc/2021/04/29/breaking-biden-official-confirms-plans-to-ban-fried-chicken-and-grape-drink-n371319

    It’ll be super funny if Biden pumps up gun issues in the media only to swipe menthol cigarettes, fried chicken, and “purple drank” off the US national menu. I’ve known kids who DESPISED Michelle Obama’s healthy food initiatives in the public schools. Looks like they were practice run experiments.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Buffalo Joe

    A few years ago they banned all sorts of flavored cigarettes, although somehow my beloved clove cigarettes just got renamed into “cigars” despite apparently being identical to the old ones.

    The ban did not include menthol cigarettes, which I saw as a completely illogical thing (barring the political implications). So now they are just following through on the same nanny state logic as before

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    The ban did not include menthol cigarettes, which I saw as a completely illogical thing...

     

    Opinion: Why the ban on menthol cigarettes leaves a sour taste in my mouth

    From Steve's Twitter feed:


    In "Dreams From My Father," little Barry Soetoro asks Lolo if he ever saw a man die.

    "Yes."
    "Why?"
    "He was weak."

     

    When I was just a baby, my mama told me "Son,
    Always be a good boy, don't ever play with guns"
    But I shot a man in Bandung just to watch him die...

    Replies: @Dan Smith

    , @Travis
    @AndrewR

    they banned mint flavored e-cigarettes and now they are banning menthol cigarettes while most states are legalizing marijuana candy and vapes. One of the reasons for the rise of obesity and the falling testosterone levels has been the war on nicotine.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

  33. Rob says:

    “This level of mistrust between Black communities and the health-care system needs to come to some sort of head, and I think we’re there now,” said Carter, the dietitian.

    So medicine and policing are two fields blacks don’t like, How many others are there? I am sure blacks dislike and distrust the entire criminal justice system. Honestly, blacks dislike and distrust pretty much every element of civilization they have many encounters with. The only “solution” I can see is a reservation system, much like the ones various Indian tribes have. They live in their own communities, under their own rules, backstopped by the federal government so they don’t start eating each other.

    Honestly, what is left besides separation? Machines and Mexicans do the work that they are capable of. They do not like whites. Some whites worship them in the abstract, but even those tend to avoid living around them. We have tried integration for sixty years or so, it failed. Whites do not want it. Even the liberals. Blacks dislike and distrust us, for good reasons. Blacks have not taken white aid in good faith. We provide help so children of negligent black fathers can have minimally decent material upbringings, and they have unbelievable numbers of bastards. Black men pride themselves on how many bastards they can have.

    The black middle class exists solely from affirmative action. Without AA, the black middle class would whither away to almost nothing. They have not taken on middle class culture. Even if they had, their sons regress so sharply to the mean on criminality and IQ that they could not benefit from the best culture for a whole generation, They do not have the temperaments to be tiger mommed. The black upper class consists of affaleaks and entertainers. Their kids will not stay in the upper class.

    Honestly separation would make both whites and blacks happier. I do not think the these reservations would be great places for whites to live. I would not want to live there. Blacks want a higher material standard of living, but they do not want to adopt a culture compatible with maintaining that. Probably they are constitutionally incapable of doing so. In a few hundred years, selection could work its magic, but the selective pressures on blacks, and the strategies they have evolved to cope are not going to make the, more civilized. We have tried imprisoning their worst criminals. They respond by adopting prisoner culture in the community at large.

    Perhaps that offers a way forward. Robert Lindsey, a communist, more or less insane blogger, has noted that black men have better (by white standards) outcomes in prison, lower death rate, lower murder rate, higher employment rate… in prison than free. Perhaps a prison-lite environment would help? Include women, and let the ‘better’ blacks have more children, etc. But why should whites be responsible for transforming blacks? What gives us the right? Why should we have to pay so much to keep them? Is improving them our responsibility? It would be the white man’s burden, a hugely expensive project that would corrupt whites in the process. Not to mention the hedonic cost. Black men would live longer, but they would not get the enjoyment of forties and blunts. Perhaps they should get to fade away from this earth doing what they love.

    Reservations or custodial supervision. I do not see any other possibilities compatible with whites thriving. Do you?

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @Rob

    Perhaps a prison-lite environment would help?

    One might recall that we had exactly that prior to 1860. It caused ... tension, primarily among Whites with differing opinions about "prison-lite."

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Rob

    Mostly agree. And in fact what you describe isn't hypothetical. We actually had this system in the unjustly maligned Jim Crow era. And contrary to what one hears now, it worked pretty well, for both races. Just about every black social indicator—crime rates, drug use, family integrity, rate of material improvement, etc. was higher back then. And obviously, white society was not afflicted with all the black pathologies that afflict us now. Also back then, there was indeed an organic black middle class, since there were naturally black-owned enterprises in black communities, which weren't being snuffed out by the Federal government handing out free money.

    Ironically, in this separate but equal world, blacks tended more to "middle class" values (working, saving, moderation, politeness), black fertility was more eugenic, and black society was slowly assimilating rather than absimilating (and pulling everything else with it) because blacks were subject to the same natural and market pressures as everyone else. The one-two punch of the welfare state and [anti-]Civil Rights has put an end to all that and spawned and accelerated the current dystopia. Sad.

    It would not even be hard to go back. Simply end all the forced integration and restore Constitutional free association. People will naturally gravitate back to their own kind, absent the massive incentives to do otherwise. If and when the FedGov collapses, this will happen more or less automatically anyway.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Truth
    @Rob

    What you just did here, Rob, is quite a rare accomplishment.

    You made a six paragraph post in which not one sentence contained an original thought.

    Replies: @Rob, @Gary in Gramercy

  34. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is NOT good....

    https://twitter.com/WCWOA/status/1390156355533692934

    Replies: @notsaying, @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @J.Ross

    81 year old man with pre-existing conditions dies. Are we sure COVID-1984 had anything to do with it? I’m sure his death will be used to justify more totalitarianism.

  35. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — from the Boston Globe:


    https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/qv9SPzNN30qijUTRq6ck05-0vdU=/1280x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/JGNDSDFZN5B2HMSVILEMXX5U4E.png

    City of Boston, MBTA unveil digital billboards celebrating Asian American strength, resilience

    Amid Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, dozens of digital billboards around Greater Boston boast slogans supporting the country’s largest diaspora.

    Stand with us, some read. We belong here. Protect our elders.

    The signs are emblazoned with faces of people hailing from Korea to Bangladesh and crafted in a flurry of bold colors. A few plainly state that Asian American residents “are more than” a long list of stereotypes — more than “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” “the helpless refugee,” “the nail lady,” “the Tiger mom.”

    Together with the City of Boston and the MBTA, Chinatown’s Pao Arts Center stationed the signs in 80 locations.
     
    The smug, sullen faces will likely inspire more Black-on-Yaller kung pow beatdowns.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @International Jew, @3g4me, @James J O'Meara, @Known Fact

    Why does George Takei want us to stand with him? Well, at least it’s better than lying with him.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's not George Takei, that was that one gay guy who was murdered by a black guy.

  36. Anonymous[246] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    A black woman from Mali, resident in Morocco has just given birth to nine (9) babies.

    – Whatever else you might say about black people, they sure can breed.

    Paging Sir Ronald Fisher !!!!!!!

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Anonymous

    Everybody seems all happy about this.

    Let us see how many of the nine turn out to be OK later. I remember they talked about disabilities being likely when Octomom had her eight. I looked it up and much to my surprise there's nothing wrong (that she admits anyway) with those kids. Of her earlier group of six, however, three were bad enough to get SSI. One is severely autistic:

    "In a post on Instagram, she wrote: “Aidan is non-verbal, requires feeding, changing (he is not potty trained), bathing, and one to one supervision, as he has no safety awareness and would walk aimlessly into traffic. I, his mother, am, and always have been, his ONLY care provider.

    This “job” is my life (other than caring for 13 other children singlehandedly). My children are my LIFE. Aidan has been off two months for summer and attends a special needs school during the year. I love him with all my heart, and will care for him until I die,” she added."

    I don't think she does everything without help. Be that as it may, all that she has available won't be available in Mali. It is hard for me to think that nine kids came naturally. But who would pay to have so many embryos implanted?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

  37. @AndrewR
    @Kronos

    A few years ago they banned all sorts of flavored cigarettes, although somehow my beloved clove cigarettes just got renamed into "cigars" despite apparently being identical to the old ones.


    The ban did not include menthol cigarettes, which I saw as a completely illogical thing (barring the political implications). So now they are just following through on the same nanny state logic as before

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Travis

    The ban did not include menthol cigarettes, which I saw as a completely illogical thing…

    Opinion: Why the ban on menthol cigarettes leaves a sour taste in my mouth

    From Steve’s Twitter feed:

    In “Dreams From My Father,” little Barry Soetoro asks Lolo if he ever saw a man die.

    “Yes.”
    “Why?”
    “He was weak.”

    When I was just a baby, my mama told me “Son,
    Always be a good boy, don’t ever play with guns”
    But I shot a man in Bandung just to watch him die…

    • Replies: @Dan Smith
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think Robinson has a point from a libertarian point of view. I disagree with him that tobacco companies are flooding the hood with menthol cigarette advertising. It’s illegal to do it on TV and radio. So the targets would need to be able to read in order to receive the message.

  38. @Anon
    My own opinion is that you could do a lot to cure obesity in this country and eliminate Type 2 diabetes by bumping up the recommended amount of iodine in the average vitamin pill from 150 micrograms to 200 to 250 micrograms.

    150 is most emphatically not the ideal amount that your body needs; it's only the amount that's just enough to prevent goiter. For your body to operate at its peak of health you need more than that. Iodine is an important regulator of your insulin and blood sugar. If your iodine levels are low, your metabolism will slow down, you'll start gaining weight, your blood sugar will get out of control.

    We have a whole country of people walking around who are mildly hypothyroid, getting fatter as they age, and courting type 2 diabetes who would benefit from more iodine. Once you're out of your skinny youth and you start putting on a few pounds, you're no longer getting enough iodine per kilogram of body weight if you're only getting 150 micrograms.

    But don't take megadoses. Don't take milligrams or grams, just a few more micrograms. You don't need to screw up your thyroid with megadoses.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb

    You have a good point there. I think most Americans are getting zero or close to zero iodine in their diets.

    • Replies: @Carol
    @Clyde

    That lack would manifest itself in a goiter, wouldn't it?

    That hasn't really been a thing in a while.

    , @Uncle Dan
    @Clyde

    Iodized salt?

    Replies: @Clyde

  39. @Jonathan Mason
    BMI is a useful but somewhat crude tool for determining whether people are overweight.

    To some extent people like sportsmen may show up as overweight if they are heavily muscled, but then again they know who they are and doctors are perfectly capable of determining whether individuals need to lose weight and making recommendations if necessary.

    African Americans, as is well known to the medical profession, suffer disproportionately from high blood pressure and type II diabetes, which are related to being overweight, so even a crude measurement is useful to remind people that they may be at risk.

    While some black people may be more muscular or have heavier bones, there are also many who are just overweight or obese.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2bHmRZYzQxEpUBAG7


    He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Henry's Cat, @Achilleus, @Dr. Krieger

    But if I’m reading the article correctly it’s saying that Asian cut points are lower, and that also applies to every other group except black women. So what this article is really about is BIG BLACK BUTTS.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Henry's Cat


    So what this article is really about is BIG BLACK BUTTS.
     
    Isn't everything?

    https://i.ibb.co/1nKTJ2N/giphy.webp
    , @Pericles
    @Henry's Cat

    ^
    |
    +-- This guy cannot lie.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Henry's Cat

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X53ZSxkQ3Ho

  40. @Reg Cæsar

    Is BMI Racist?
     
    The first thing that came to mind was Broadcast Music International. That was the anti-racist force 80 years ago.

    ASCAP represented the cream of Broadway and Hollywood and maintained high standards, but were a bit too exclusive, with no room for country, black, or Latin music. Okay, but they got a bit greedy in 1940 and withheld their catalogue from broadcast, essentially a songwriters' strike. They wanted their royalties doubled.

    A lot of classical, foreign and public domain music got played instead (e.g., the Mexican "Perfidia"), but people wanted new material as well. So the radio men formed BMI to sign up new composers and lyricists. They scooped up everybody ASCAP spurned. It worked-- ASCAP ended up settling for quite a bit less than they'd already had. Ouch.

    Enough OT. Back to the other BMI...

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @PiltdownMan

    A lot of classical, foreign and public domain music got played instead (e.g., the Mexican “Perfidia”)

    I like the Mexican-American “Perfidia.”

    • Replies: @Highlander
    @PiltdownMan

    Excellent indeed.

  41. BMI [body mass index] was invented about 200 years ago in an era that saw the creation of pseudoscientific theories such as social Darwinism that were used to justify nationalism, racism and eugenics.

    Practically all of Quetelet’s work pre-dates Darwin, let alone the amorphous Social Darwinism, but at least Ms Stern has the right century. She should have had the courage to attack Darwinism directly.

  42. Whiskey says: • Website

    Clearly, Oligarchy which is what we have, does not work.

    The people in charge are weirdos, debauched, icky, awful, and their public policies reflect the awfulness of their private lives.

    Look at the Gates. Apparently Bill spent time at his former girlfriend’s place every year. And his wife was OK with that. I’ve seen pictures of the former girlfriend. She had a face that would not launch a single rubber ducky. So Bill the Gates is pathetic as well as weird. And icky. And a known frequent flier on the Jeffrey Epstein Lolita Express. There is an infamous photo of Bill the Gates and Bill the Clinton with their arms around the waist of a 14 year old blonde girl at Epstein’s Pedo Island. She has sued his estate and Ghislane Maxwell alleging she was forced into prostitution at that age to service big shots.

    Presumably she will commit suicide shortly by shooting herself five times in the back of the head. Like Vince Foster.

    Putin may be and likely is a horrible person whose enemies end up poisoned by various awful stuff or being shot in elevators or shot and pushed out windows, etc. But his depravities seem to pale in comparison with our own.

    There is much public health to be gained by a national program to encourage fat people to get out and exercise, and eat better, and eschew fast food and frozen and that stuff and eat veggies and home cooked meals that are simple and easy to make. There would be plenty of fitness buffs, celebrities, chefs, athletes, and the like happy to help out and encourage this public health which would bring massive dividends.

    But the dissolute, there is no other word for it, Oligarchy that runs America can’t even bring itself to do that. Instead we get pandering to Lizzo. Yes she’s fat and amusing. In a grotesque way. But a nation of Lizzos is one of gigantic health care expenditures. An “owner” of society like a dictator would at least see the cost savings of a society able to generate more fit soldiers with modest public health expenditures. Our dissolute Oligarchy figures an all Gay military will beat its enemies by fabulousness. Or something.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  43. @Charon
    @Kronos

    Apologies to any fatties up in here, but the simple fact is that making fun of fat people is good clean fun, and you know it as well as we do.

    That said, once the BMI is over 35 they should no longer be covered by Medicaid or insurance. And once they can't fit in the doorway to the ER, they shouldn't be covered there either.

    Q: Are these people even capable of procreating? I presume there's some pr0n subculture pertaining to that? Nvm, please forget I asked.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams

    Apologies to any fatties up in here, but the simple fact is that making fun of fat people is good clean fun, and you know it as well as we do.

    First you shun us; then you ridicule us; then you throw us to our deaths from moving trollies. Is it any wonder we’re driven to bury our sorrows in food?

    When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes, I all alone beweep my outcast state … and then I go to Arby’s and order a roast-beef gyro with (overly salty) crinkle fries and a root-beer float. Or I go to Dairy Queen and order a medium Reese’s Blizzard. Or I do both. And then I justify it to myself by saying that I’m dirty bulking.

    Q: Are these people even capable of procreating? I presume there’s some pr0n subculture pertaining to that? Nvm, please forget I asked.

    I can confirm that, despite my pronounced rotundity of figure, I have absolutely zero interest in watching videos of fat people fornicating.

    (For the record, I once knew a really skinny guy who was into that kind of stuff. He wouldn’t shut up about it. Freaky.)

    As for my own sex life … well, I haven’t gotten any lately. (This will come as quite a shock, no doubt.) Fortunately, I have enough contempt for women not to take their rejections personally. (MGTOW and loser are two different things! I swear!)

    I do keep abreast of the latest exciting developments in the world of interactive sexbots. Within a few years they’ll be selling models that can cook and clean, and when that happens the human race will go extinct. Why go through all the hassle of finding a suitable woman, slogging through an endless series of shit tests, marrying her, pretending not to notice when she gains fifty pounds and chops off most of her hair, and praying every night that she won’t wake up the next morning and decide that she needs to “fulfill her true inner self” by divorcing you and seizing the majority of your assets? No more pretending to care about some flaky gal’s feelings; just say, “Bitch, coffee,” and she’ll bring you your breakfast. If you’re really lucky, she’ll go haywire one night and stab you to death with an ice pick, thus sparing you the horrors of life in Clown World Amerika.

    Yay future!

    • LOL: Cortes
  44. @Cortes
    BMI must be complemented with the HMI - the Hair Mass Index - and the ICI - Ink Coverage Index to bring it up to date. A source who spoke on condition of anonymity assured me that one of the regular topics of conversation during routine surgery in theatre is the ICI; no singing or mugging for the cameras, mind.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Steve Sailer

    Many thanks.

    One surprising omission is

    “Mrs Brown is next” = ‘Before we do another, it’s tea-break”.

    I saw this one while leafing through

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49445.Nice_Cup_of_Tea_and_a_Sit_Down

    where it’s said to have been in use in the 1950/60s period. A check with my anonymous source confirms it’s still in use.

    (The book is pretty funny on the etiquette of tea-drinking and the friend I gave it to loved it.)

    , @Alfa158
    @Steve Sailer

    Years ago I was at a party with a bunch of emergency room physicians and one of them told me emergency medical workers have a philosophical saying they use when out of earshot of patients. “The bleeding always stops”.

    , @photondancer
    @Steve Sailer

    The 'donorcycle' one amused me. I've read that motorcycles have been a godsend to research in neuroscience because of all the head injuries.

  45. @Morton's toes
    @Anonymous

    https://cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/5502557042001/b37f5120-98ac-46d7-b97d-e9150592f255/d464e5a7-29cd-4515-9e29-597f72047621/1280x720/match/image.jpg

    Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk, @fish, @The Alarmist

    It’s Ma’khia Bryant!

  46. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — from the Boston Globe:


    https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/qv9SPzNN30qijUTRq6ck05-0vdU=/1280x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/JGNDSDFZN5B2HMSVILEMXX5U4E.png

    City of Boston, MBTA unveil digital billboards celebrating Asian American strength, resilience

    Amid Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, dozens of digital billboards around Greater Boston boast slogans supporting the country’s largest diaspora.

    Stand with us, some read. We belong here. Protect our elders.

    The signs are emblazoned with faces of people hailing from Korea to Bangladesh and crafted in a flurry of bold colors. A few plainly state that Asian American residents “are more than” a long list of stereotypes — more than “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” “the helpless refugee,” “the nail lady,” “the Tiger mom.”

    Together with the City of Boston and the MBTA, Chinatown’s Pao Arts Center stationed the signs in 80 locations.
     
    The smug, sullen faces will likely inspire more Black-on-Yaller kung pow beatdowns.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @International Jew, @3g4me, @James J O'Meara, @Known Fact

    Speaking of, yet another incident of white supremacist violence upon Asian Women

    A man was arrested after he repeatedly struck the two victims, ages 66 and 67, in the head with a cinder block, according to NBC.

    The victims were liquor store employees who were closing up shop Tuesday morning when Daryl Doles, 50, allegedly broke into the store and attacked them, according to the report.

    Surveillance video shared by the outlet shows the man wrestling one worker to the ground and hitting her with the cinder block, while an unidentified cowardly man in the store appears to step aside and watch the attack before calmly walking outside.

    https://nypost.com/2021/05/05/two-asian-women-beaten-with-cinder-block-in-baltimore/

    Won’t Biden do something to stop this epidemic? Before it becomes a Pandemic!

    Police have linked the disturbing national trend of anti-Asian attacks to coronavirus pandemic-related bias.

  47. @Anonymous
    OT

    A black woman from Mali, resident in Morocco has just given birth to nine (9) babies.


    - Whatever else you might say about black people, they sure can breed.


    Paging Sir Ronald Fisher !!!!!!!

    Replies: @notsaying

    Everybody seems all happy about this.

    Let us see how many of the nine turn out to be OK later. I remember they talked about disabilities being likely when Octomom had her eight. I looked it up and much to my surprise there’s nothing wrong (that she admits anyway) with those kids. Of her earlier group of six, however, three were bad enough to get SSI. One is severely autistic:

    “In a post on Instagram, she wrote: “Aidan is non-verbal, requires feeding, changing (he is not potty trained), bathing, and one to one supervision, as he has no safety awareness and would walk aimlessly into traffic. I, his mother, am, and always have been, his ONLY care provider.

    This “job” is my life (other than caring for 13 other children singlehandedly). My children are my LIFE. Aidan has been off two months for summer and attends a special needs school during the year. I love him with all my heart, and will care for him until I die,” she added.”

    I don’t think she does everything without help. Be that as it may, all that she has available won’t be available in Mali. It is hard for me to think that nine kids came naturally. But who would pay to have so many embryos implanted?

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @notsaying

    But who would pay to have so many embryos implanted?

    It is my understanding that these fertilization/implantation methods usually involve many embryos because normally most of them fail to implant. You insert a dozen, or whatever, and one implants. But then way out on the tail end of probability you get this lady.

    Replies: @notsaying

  48. The concept BMI potentially represents a “fetter” (restraint) on lumpenprole conspicuous consumption and therefore needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history. A gaze around America will quickly confirm that the BMI standard has up until today NOT been all that effective of a consumption brake. But with Covid and all, the lumpenproles MAY start taking it more seriously by reducing their consumption.

    When Big Money lumpenfinance wants to achieve any ideological goals, it ALWAYS declares any barrier standing in its way to be racist. The more humiliatingly stupid the appeal to racism is, the better. Here the plutocratic PR machine is using an HBD argument: that due to actual existing human biodiversity, the BMI concept is not universal for all humans. With BMI, the concept of race is no longer simply skin deep, but is now not only bone deep but also encompasses all layers of subcutaneous fat. So the very fact that BMI must be refined relative to human geographic origin means it contradicts the non-racial universality of humanity, and therefore must be abolished. Narrative power today is flaunted by brazenly nip-slipping racial truths while simultaneously enforcing intellectual hijabs on any oppositional discussion of race.

    The obese lumpenprole is capitalism’s answer to the consumption conundrum. Previously, using productive proles to complete the commodity chain only served to dangerously transfer wealth and power to the working class. Instead of wanton gluttony, all too often factory hands engaged in frugal capital accumulation. With globalization curing the uppity working class problem, an ever-expanding culture of lumpenprole consumption is being manufactured, where the surplus value extracted from third world sweat shops and factories will be safely pooled in ghetto fat rolls. And so a downer concept like BMI, which centers health and well-being, must be smeared as White-All-Too-White.

    • Thanks: Grahamsno(G64)
  49. The usual black complaints about anything that paints them in a bad light (fat-ass tubs that take a 100 ft. to get past in the airport concourse) aside, I’ve had plenty of people tell me that the use of BMI was ridiculous for their purposes. I knew a body builder who was kicked out of his position in the Air Force due to his high weight/BMI. He had been an MP.

    I’d like commenter Res to chime in on this one: BMI is not a dimensionless number, of course. Dimensionless numbers, Mach, Reynolds number, coefficient of friction, etc. seem to be much more useful as indexes. This means that a BMI must be calculated only in SI units, as the English units won’t give the same, except as with a stopped clock. There seems inherently something wrong with an “index” that comes out differently when calculated in different units.

    • Replies: @res
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I’d like commenter Res to chime in on this one: BMI is not a dimensionless number, of course.
     
    Heh. Thanks. I did as soon as I saw it ; ) See my comment above.

    I also knew someone like that in the military who had that headache. Didn't get kicked out AFAIK, but trouble from above.

    Regarding SI vs. English units, they give the same result, you just have to change the constant. Though not dimensionless, both versions are mass / length ^ 2. From wikipedia, the constant is
    703 (kg/m2)/(lb/in2)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index#History

    There are definitely people for whom BMI is a deceiving metric, but I suspect they are vastly outnumbered by rationalizers attempting to ignore reality.
  50. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    Kind of confusing how you call Quetelet a giant, in a topic sentence of an essay on BMI. I would use another word. Was he very tall? Not fussing, it actually confused me–looked up the Wiki link to see what his height was.

  51. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    BMI is a measure developed for epidemiology and never intended to classify individuals, although it is still pretty useful for that purpose in most cases. Most people who protest that it doesn’t work for the very muscular are themselves simply fat, not muscular. Muscular people seem not to be that interested in the BMI and don’t talk about it.

    At any rate, there are other measures that might come up with different relative group difference results. Simple taking your waist measure is surprisingly accurate in predicting body fat. Waist divided by height or by weight have been tried. Upper arm skin fold measurement is done by doctors.

    A good question is why BMI is (metric) weight divided by height-squared, rather than weigtht divided by height-cubed. The answer is that, empiracally, squared works out better. Maybe to the 2.3 power would be better, but they need to keep stuff like this simple. At any rate, cubed doesn’t work for the same reason that clothing designers are unable to grade sample patterns to different sizes by just putting them in a copy machine and enlarging them. The human body does not change dimensionally in that way. That’s why pattern graders make more than plumbers.

  52. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon
    Calling people fat is racist, in much the same way that acknowledging race replacement is anti-semitic.

    Replies: @Anon

    Calling people fat is racist, in much the same way that acknowledging race replacement is anti-semitic.

    Maybe this “it’s racist” thing will work in the case of sexual attractiveness. Authorities can simply decree that black hair is the most beautiful, sexy hair around. And the facial features of black women are the most feminine and gorgeous imaginable. Fashion magazines can be regulated. Your porno logs will be monitored to make sure your viewing isn’t racist. Dating sites can set quotas and verify meatspace meetings. Marriage licenses will be issued in a quota system also. Resumes will have a space for race of girlfriend or wife.

  53. @Jonathan Mason
    BMI is a useful but somewhat crude tool for determining whether people are overweight.

    To some extent people like sportsmen may show up as overweight if they are heavily muscled, but then again they know who they are and doctors are perfectly capable of determining whether individuals need to lose weight and making recommendations if necessary.

    African Americans, as is well known to the medical profession, suffer disproportionately from high blood pressure and type II diabetes, which are related to being overweight, so even a crude measurement is useful to remind people that they may be at risk.

    While some black people may be more muscular or have heavier bones, there are also many who are just overweight or obese.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2bHmRZYzQxEpUBAG7


    He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Henry's Cat, @Achilleus, @Dr. Krieger

    African Americans, as is well known to the medical profession, suffer disproportionately fromhigh blood pressure and type II diabetes…

    Again, the Negro is permitted no agency…

  54. But others in the field favor scrapping the measure altogether, pointing to heightened national focus on systemic racism as a moment to call attention to disparate treatment that can stem from BMI — and usher in new approaches designed for all bodies.

    In the space of 60 years, I’ve gone from being a “citizen” to a “consumer” and now to just a “body”.

    A “citizen” is a full human being with rights and responsibilities within a cohesive society, worthy of respect; a “consumer” is a useless eater, greedily slopping up whatever his “betters” offer him – at best he deserves some degree of “protection”; a “body” is just a nondescript meat sack you bulldoze, by the thousands, into mass graves.

  55. @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    But if I'm reading the article correctly it's saying that Asian cut points are lower, and that also applies to every other group except black women. So what this article is really about is BIG BLACK BUTTS.

    Replies: @Charon, @Pericles, @Anonymous Jew

    So what this article is really about is BIG BLACK BUTTS.

    Isn’t everything?

  56. I’m a large man who easily can be mistaken for a bouncer or guard of some sort. I won’t say BMI is racist but i do think it is flawed as everything from body type to ethnicity to metabolism affects BMI and weight….i can testify from experience what many doctors consider normal weight for my demo is utter nonsense….not even taking into account muscle mass etc

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Neoconned

    Same here. Whether it’s a professional weight-guesser at the state fair, a girl I’m dating, or a random black guy in the locker room commenting as I’m about to step on the scale, anyone who guesses my weight is going to be 20 pounds low. The broad shoulders and the huge rib cage make a difference.

    It’s a Neanderthal thing, I suppose.

    Replies: @new Stalin

  57. Carly Stern:

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Mike Tre

    That visage may cause me to devise a new index: the NMI.

    Nose mass index.

  58. I may not be able to define obesity by BMI, but I know it when I see it.

  59. @raga10
    BMI is just not especially useful for anything other than selling people stuff because they are allegedly too skinny or too fat (Hey - it works either way!) . Much like the concept of "generations" - Baby boomers, millenials etc, it sounds all objective and scientific but it is first and foremost a marketing tool, not a scientific one.... so if it goes away then good riddance.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Not only wrathful

    We aren’t all body composition scientists. Some of us find simple measures necessary.*

    *not me of course, I am special, my BMI is overweight even while I am slim.**

    **I need to mention that in case someone confuses me with the plebs who need BMI and get “marketed to”***

    *** not that marketing works on me, I am special, I only buy products and services that are useful to me****

    ****wait, isn’t most marketing nowadays about finding someone who will actually like your product/service so you get a repeat customer?

  60. The steelers drafted a punter who is unusually both black and particularly overweight. In such a specialist position its only the result that counts I guess, whatever shape he is.

    https://steelersnow.com/steelers-draft-georgia-tech-punter-pressley-harvin-iii-in-7th-round-of-2021-nfl-drat/

  61. @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    But if I'm reading the article correctly it's saying that Asian cut points are lower, and that also applies to every other group except black women. So what this article is really about is BIG BLACK BUTTS.

    Replies: @Charon, @Pericles, @Anonymous Jew

    ^
    |
    +– This guy cannot lie.

  62. That’s a lot of words to explain no one wants black women.

    Sheesh.

  63. @Mr. Blank
    Well, they’re not wrong — I don’t know about “racism,” but BMI really does need to be scrapped, at least at the individual level.

    I mean, according to BMI, I’ve been “overweight” my entire adult life — even back when I was a workout/health fanatic in my 30s. Back then I was killing myself at the gym six days a week, and I STILL qualified as “overweight.” Every alternative measure of obesity showed I was fine and perfectly healthy, and I got regular compliments on my appearance — but according to BMI, I was still just a big ol’ lard-ass. Crazy. My dad, who was a lifelong athlete and major health fanatic, was the same way.

    It was infuriating. To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb, @Dr. DoomNGloom, @S. Anonyia

    I agree. Back in my marathon running days (2:28 personal best) I was weight obsessed like many others who competed. Being 5’6” and 130 pounds, my BMI was 21.0, smack in the middle of normal. I have more muscular thighs than your average Kenyan superstar. My caliper measured body fat was 5 percent, so I gave up trying to lose more weight. It wasn’t going to happen. BMI is a back of the envelope kind of tool, not all that precise but useful for populations.

  64. BMI is truly flawed. Think about the nutritional average of European men 200 years ago!

    I wrestled 189 lbs in high school, at a height of 5’11” and got back to the same weight to compete in my early 30s. Walking around at about 210, my BMI at the fittest time of my entire life categorized me as “obese”

    Athletes come in all shapes and sizes, but all the rugby, football, crossfit, and crew athletes you’ve ever admired or secretly envied their shoulders, BMI says are overweight or obese. It is stupid.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  65. > Is it racist to not adjust medical measures for racial differences, or is it racist to notice race exists (which, of course, it does not)?

    The superior modern take is that while races don’t exist, some groups of people are racialized by societal structures that were created in times past to uphold white supremacy. This racialization is oppressive, and causes differences in outcomes in the said groups, leading to different body types.

    The only bad thing, from a progressive standpoints, is that it still permits a critic to say “even if evil white people are to blame, certain body types are less healthy or less attractive.”

    Ideally, the position would establish that 1. differences exist 2. from white supremacy 3. where we need to address/reverse these differences yet 4. current outcomes among black people are healthy/superior/beautiful.

    But 3 and 4 fight each other.

  66. @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    The ban did not include menthol cigarettes, which I saw as a completely illogical thing...

     

    Opinion: Why the ban on menthol cigarettes leaves a sour taste in my mouth

    From Steve's Twitter feed:


    In "Dreams From My Father," little Barry Soetoro asks Lolo if he ever saw a man die.

    "Yes."
    "Why?"
    "He was weak."

     

    When I was just a baby, my mama told me "Son,
    Always be a good boy, don't ever play with guns"
    But I shot a man in Bandung just to watch him die...

    Replies: @Dan Smith

    I think Robinson has a point from a libertarian point of view. I disagree with him that tobacco companies are flooding the hood with menthol cigarette advertising. It’s illegal to do it on TV and radio. So the targets would need to be able to read in order to receive the message.

  67. BMI is a fairly crude measurement – the only factors it takes into account are height and weight, and obviously the composition of a person’s body in terms of fat versus muscle are important considerations in terms of health. I am over 40, have less than 15% bodyfat and work out a fair amount so my BMI says I am overweight – at my height I would have to drop about 15 lbs to be in the “healthy” BMI range which would basically mean stop lifting and just run for exercise.

    Now all that said, it’s obvious the author of this piece is mainly concerned with the embarrassing rates of obesity in her pet racial group versus that of the white majority (which is nothing to be proud of either). Like a lot of prog white ideas, doing away with societal standards for our most troubled demographic is just going to mean more of them come to an early end than would otherwise be the case.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Arclight

    BMI is quick and dirty. If a nutritionist is going to design a diet for you, she's going to measure percent body fat too. That's pretty reliable, with a comfortable range for both men and women. If you have any flab, that test will pick it up and present a mild shock.

    Lots of people don't think they're that overweight until they start a plan and discover how much can be shed. A friend lost 85 pounds last year. He knew he was plump, but he didn't realize how much. He said he didn't notice a difference in his clothing before 20 pounds were gone. That's when it hit him: he was not just fat, but fat in a compact way. His organs were all being squeezed by hidden extra pounds.

    But honestly, do we really need fancy numbers to recognize fat and obesity? So much self-delusion in our world.

  68. @Kratoklastes
    Quetelet was a nutcase who believed that l'homme moyen was the ideal. He also didn't understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    That alone rules out BMI as a useful measure for anyone more than 1sd above or below average height (which is still 5'9", with s.d. of ~3").

    As I've said before, Quetelet's idea of the 'ideal man' being average in all dimensions, would be a fucking disaster in practice... imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.

    For all its manifest, manifold faults, the fact that the current system yields supernormal returns to IQ (up to about 2σ above the mean) is preferable, even though it results in capture by political parasites (IQ ~115-120, but sociopaths)... but that's mostly because people of below +2σ IQ are permitted to be involved in the selection process.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @res, @James J O'Meara, @Mycale, @Philip Neal

    He also didn’t understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    Thanks: I’d never heard that critique or thought of it, although it’s obvious the moment you see it. Presumably there’s a very simple statistical fix the CDC could use to correct their series on prevalence of overweight and obesity accordingly.

  69. Don’t most African blacks have a good bmi? If they do, how is bmi racist?

  70. @Steve Sailer
    @Cortes

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hospital-slang/

    Replies: @Cortes, @Alfa158, @photondancer

    Many thanks.

    One surprising omission is

    “Mrs Brown is next” = ‘Before we do another, it’s tea-break”.

    I saw this one while leafing through

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49445.Nice_Cup_of_Tea_and_a_Sit_Down

    where it’s said to have been in use in the 1950/60s period. A check with my anonymous source confirms it’s still in use.

    (The book is pretty funny on the etiquette of tea-drinking and the friend I gave it to loved it.)

  71. @notsaying
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Things may not be as bad as they seem here. I looked the doctor's name up and it turns out a lot of this story is questionable.

    ABC7 San Francisco had a story that quoted his ex-wife who is also a doctor.

    "Dr. Rajendra Kapila was 81-years-old, in the age group most vulnerable to the virus. He also had underlying conditions of diabetes and heart complications."

    https://abc7news.com/rutgers-professor-dies-covid-19-india-coronavirus-outbreak-dr-rajenda-kapila-infectious-disease/10583869/

    This article says it isn't known if he got vaccinated but it is hard to believe he wasn't, given his age and specialty. I don't think he has a father-in-law unless he remarried a much younger woman.

    I have to wonder after seeing the Indian hospitals on TV recently if he was actually tested and found positive for Covid-19 and if so, what variant. He could have just been presumed to have Covid-19; the hospital where he worked would only confirm to snopes.com that he died. I hope somebody will say if he had Covid-19 for sure and if he was vaccinated.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dr-rajendra-kapila-dies-covid-19/

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    Oh for the days when everyone knew that a diabetic 81-year-old with heart problems is living on borrowed time.

  72. @Anon
    My own opinion is that you could do a lot to cure obesity in this country and eliminate Type 2 diabetes by bumping up the recommended amount of iodine in the average vitamin pill from 150 micrograms to 200 to 250 micrograms.

    150 is most emphatically not the ideal amount that your body needs; it's only the amount that's just enough to prevent goiter. For your body to operate at its peak of health you need more than that. Iodine is an important regulator of your insulin and blood sugar. If your iodine levels are low, your metabolism will slow down, you'll start gaining weight, your blood sugar will get out of control.

    We have a whole country of people walking around who are mildly hypothyroid, getting fatter as they age, and courting type 2 diabetes who would benefit from more iodine. Once you're out of your skinny youth and you start putting on a few pounds, you're no longer getting enough iodine per kilogram of body weight if you're only getting 150 micrograms.

    But don't take megadoses. Don't take milligrams or grams, just a few more micrograms. You don't need to screw up your thyroid with megadoses.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb

    Overweight/obesity has doubled in the last 40 years. Does that coincide with an iodine cut?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Anon


    Overweight/obesity has doubled in the last 40 years. Does that coincide with an iodine cut?
     
    More likely it is following the government prescribed food pyramid, which is rich in carbs (grain) and sugars (fruits, etc.) and moderates on fats and proteins.

    Even the re-designed one is upside down.

    http://www.apsubiology.org/anatomy/2020/2020_Exam_Reviews/Exam_4/Food%20Pyramid.gif

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @sayless
    @Anon

    Don't know about iodine, but increased obesity is probably related in part to that ignorant Department of Agriculture food pyramid from the seventies that had grains and pasta and cereals at the base and about a teaspoon of oils at the apex. Fat sates the appetite.

    That's why Michelle's lunch campaign was hated by the kids. They were growing, hungry.

    Another cause is probably also the poor quality of the food available. Pears that go from rock-hard to rotten, all that. My sister tried to repatriate several years ago, and she said that one of the hardest things about it was coping with the bad food.

    Empty calories, therefore craving.

  73. @Jonathan Mason
    BMI is a useful but somewhat crude tool for determining whether people are overweight.

    To some extent people like sportsmen may show up as overweight if they are heavily muscled, but then again they know who they are and doctors are perfectly capable of determining whether individuals need to lose weight and making recommendations if necessary.

    African Americans, as is well known to the medical profession, suffer disproportionately from high blood pressure and type II diabetes, which are related to being overweight, so even a crude measurement is useful to remind people that they may be at risk.

    While some black people may be more muscular or have heavier bones, there are also many who are just overweight or obese.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/2bHmRZYzQxEpUBAG7


    He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Henry's Cat, @Achilleus, @Dr. Krieger

    When I studied Visual Basic programming, we made a BMI program. It wasn’t based on height and weight alone. There were measurements like wrist and thigh circumference and some limb lengths. This helped with the problem of muscled people that weigh a lot for their height

  74. @Rob

    “This level of mistrust between Black communities and the health-care system needs to come to some sort of head, and I think we’re there now,” said Carter, the dietitian.
     
    So medicine and policing are two fields blacks don’t like, How many others are there? I am sure blacks dislike and distrust the entire criminal justice system. Honestly, blacks dislike and distrust pretty much every element of civilization they have many encounters with. The only “solution” I can see is a reservation system, much like the ones various Indian tribes have. They live in their own communities, under their own rules, backstopped by the federal government so they don’t start eating each other.

    Honestly, what is left besides separation? Machines and Mexicans do the work that they are capable of. They do not like whites. Some whites worship them in the abstract, but even those tend to avoid living around them. We have tried integration for sixty years or so, it failed. Whites do not want it. Even the liberals. Blacks dislike and distrust us, for good reasons. Blacks have not taken white aid in good faith. We provide help so children of negligent black fathers can have minimally decent material upbringings, and they have unbelievable numbers of bastards. Black men pride themselves on how many bastards they can have.

    The black middle class exists solely from affirmative action. Without AA, the black middle class would whither away to almost nothing. They have not taken on middle class culture. Even if they had, their sons regress so sharply to the mean on criminality and IQ that they could not benefit from the best culture for a whole generation, They do not have the temperaments to be tiger mommed. The black upper class consists of affaleaks and entertainers. Their kids will not stay in the upper class.

    Honestly separation would make both whites and blacks happier. I do not think the these reservations would be great places for whites to live. I would not want to live there. Blacks want a higher material standard of living, but they do not want to adopt a culture compatible with maintaining that. Probably they are constitutionally incapable of doing so. In a few hundred years, selection could work its magic, but the selective pressures on blacks, and the strategies they have evolved to cope are not going to make the, more civilized. We have tried imprisoning their worst criminals. They respond by adopting prisoner culture in the community at large.

    Perhaps that offers a way forward. Robert Lindsey, a communist, more or less insane blogger, has noted that black men have better (by white standards) outcomes in prison, lower death rate, lower murder rate, higher employment rate... in prison than free. Perhaps a prison-lite environment would help? Include women, and let the ‘better’ blacks have more children, etc. But why should whites be responsible for transforming blacks? What gives us the right? Why should we have to pay so much to keep them? Is improving them our responsibility? It would be the white man’s burden, a hugely expensive project that would corrupt whites in the process. Not to mention the hedonic cost. Black men would live longer, but they would not get the enjoyment of forties and blunts. Perhaps they should get to fade away from this earth doing what they love.

    Reservations or custodial supervision. I do not see any other possibilities compatible with whites thriving. Do you?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Almost Missouri, @Truth

    Perhaps a prison-lite environment would help?

    One might recall that we had exactly that prior to 1860. It caused … tension, primarily among Whites with differing opinions about “prison-lite.”

  75. @notsaying
    @Anonymous

    Everybody seems all happy about this.

    Let us see how many of the nine turn out to be OK later. I remember they talked about disabilities being likely when Octomom had her eight. I looked it up and much to my surprise there's nothing wrong (that she admits anyway) with those kids. Of her earlier group of six, however, three were bad enough to get SSI. One is severely autistic:

    "In a post on Instagram, she wrote: “Aidan is non-verbal, requires feeding, changing (he is not potty trained), bathing, and one to one supervision, as he has no safety awareness and would walk aimlessly into traffic. I, his mother, am, and always have been, his ONLY care provider.

    This “job” is my life (other than caring for 13 other children singlehandedly). My children are my LIFE. Aidan has been off two months for summer and attends a special needs school during the year. I love him with all my heart, and will care for him until I die,” she added."

    I don't think she does everything without help. Be that as it may, all that she has available won't be available in Mali. It is hard for me to think that nine kids came naturally. But who would pay to have so many embryos implanted?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    But who would pay to have so many embryos implanted?

    It is my understanding that these fertilization/implantation methods usually involve many embryos because normally most of them fail to implant. You insert a dozen, or whatever, and one implants. But then way out on the tail end of probability you get this lady.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Cloudbuster

    I don't see how you can put so many into anybody when you don't know what will happen. Also in Africa I don't think there is the option of reducing the number of fetuses so the others have a greater chance to live and be normal. I think here in the US the doctors decided to put in fewer and that other countries never put in as many as we did -- but my memories of this are going back awhile, to a time when no one in Mali would have gotten infertility treatments, which were only available in rich countries.

    Whatever the truth is here, if any of those kids have disabilities the parents won't have the resources to get them the help they need. If any doctor put 9 embryos in they were completely unethical. Women are not meant to have litters.

  76. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    BMI is racist against muscular men. My BMI is 31, ergo obese. I tell people that I am obese and they laugh at the absurdity

    Replies: @James Braxton, @anon

    Your joints might not be laughing as you get older.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @James Braxton

    "Your joints might not be laughing as you get older."

    True. I can always reduce the weights as I get older to reduce joint strain. I limited myself to 225 lb. bench press years ago because joint pressure was intense at 245 and beyond. I'd rather not destroy my wrists and elbows, even as it limits my strength and bulk.

  77. Anon[399] • Disclaimer says:

    … BMI [body mass index] was invented about 200 years ago in an era that saw the creation of pseudoscientific theories such as social Darwinism that were used to justify nationalism, racism and eugenics.

    This is one of my favorite new journalism techniques: Incrimination by epoch.

    You can now implicate a policy as bad just from the time it was implemented. It almost always follows the form of:

    (Insert policy to be criticized) was developed in the time of (Insert slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, etc) when (insert negative aspect of slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, etc).

    And now the policy is just as bad as whatever you linked it to. Taaa Daaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

    • Agree: photondancer
  78. @Clyde
    @Anon

    You have a good point there. I think most Americans are getting zero or close to zero iodine in their diets.

    Replies: @Carol, @Uncle Dan

    That lack would manifest itself in a goiter, wouldn’t it?

    That hasn’t really been a thing in a while.

  79. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — from the Boston Globe:


    https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/qv9SPzNN30qijUTRq6ck05-0vdU=/1280x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/JGNDSDFZN5B2HMSVILEMXX5U4E.png

    City of Boston, MBTA unveil digital billboards celebrating Asian American strength, resilience

    Amid Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, dozens of digital billboards around Greater Boston boast slogans supporting the country’s largest diaspora.

    Stand with us, some read. We belong here. Protect our elders.

    The signs are emblazoned with faces of people hailing from Korea to Bangladesh and crafted in a flurry of bold colors. A few plainly state that Asian American residents “are more than” a long list of stereotypes — more than “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” “the helpless refugee,” “the nail lady,” “the Tiger mom.”

    Together with the City of Boston and the MBTA, Chinatown’s Pao Arts Center stationed the signs in 80 locations.
     
    The smug, sullen faces will likely inspire more Black-on-Yaller kung pow beatdowns.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @International Jew, @3g4me, @James J O'Meara, @Known Fact

    I nominate that word, resilience, to be the new, politically correct, replacement for BMI. Thus Stacy Abrams is no longer fat, or high-BMI, she’s resilient; stuff thrown at her tends to bounce off more energetically.

    • Replies: @res
    @International Jew

    Funny. How about gravitas as an alternative? ; )

    Note that both of these make high values not just neutral, but actively good, with low values being bad.

  80. @Mr. Blank
    Well, they’re not wrong — I don’t know about “racism,” but BMI really does need to be scrapped, at least at the individual level.

    I mean, according to BMI, I’ve been “overweight” my entire adult life — even back when I was a workout/health fanatic in my 30s. Back then I was killing myself at the gym six days a week, and I STILL qualified as “overweight.” Every alternative measure of obesity showed I was fine and perfectly healthy, and I got regular compliments on my appearance — but according to BMI, I was still just a big ol’ lard-ass. Crazy. My dad, who was a lifelong athlete and major health fanatic, was the same way.

    It was infuriating. To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb, @Dr. DoomNGloom, @S. Anonyia

    So what was your height and weight?

  81. At this point, I think there must be a secret committee somewhere that is going through the dictionary, finding anything that could conceivably be contorted into being “racist,” and then assigning the article to someone in the media or academia. Like tomorrow someone will get an email saying, “Dear Ms. Patel, please write an article showing how owning cats is racist and a sign of white supremacy.” (They’re up to the C’s now).

    What, you have a better explanation?

  82. It’s not about body mass index.

    It’s about body mass distribution.

    And never, ever use the word “steatopygous“.

  83. @Anon
    My own opinion is that you could do a lot to cure obesity in this country and eliminate Type 2 diabetes by bumping up the recommended amount of iodine in the average vitamin pill from 150 micrograms to 200 to 250 micrograms.

    150 is most emphatically not the ideal amount that your body needs; it's only the amount that's just enough to prevent goiter. For your body to operate at its peak of health you need more than that. Iodine is an important regulator of your insulin and blood sugar. If your iodine levels are low, your metabolism will slow down, you'll start gaining weight, your blood sugar will get out of control.

    We have a whole country of people walking around who are mildly hypothyroid, getting fatter as they age, and courting type 2 diabetes who would benefit from more iodine. Once you're out of your skinny youth and you start putting on a few pounds, you're no longer getting enough iodine per kilogram of body weight if you're only getting 150 micrograms.

    But don't take megadoses. Don't take milligrams or grams, just a few more micrograms. You don't need to screw up your thyroid with megadoses.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb

    So, Anon [100], how do you obtain “a few micrograms” of extra iodine and avoid overdosing? Do you take an extra half vitamin pill or what?

    Or just up your intake of seafood and dairy products?

    Your advice is very dangerous and irresponsible.

    Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized. This is a measure to ensure that the population gets sufficient dietary iodine as the people who are most vulnerable to iodine deficiency are those who live far from the ocean.

    Yes, “middle age spread” is a thing, but if the solution was simply to add more iodine to the diet, don’t you think medical researchers would have figured this out long ago?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jonathan Mason

    Researchers have never done testing on what the ideal amount of iodine is. There is no data on the subject at all. I've looked for it.

    The solution is a pharmaceutical profession that bothers to create a pill with 200 micrograms of iodine. It's that simple.

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized."
    This is no longer true, and probably hasn't been true for decades.
    A 26-ounce container of Morton salt found on our kitchen shelf is labeled
    THIS SALT DOES NOT SUPPLY IODINE, A NECESSARY NUTRIENT.
    If anybody knows why salt is no longer iodized, please tell us.

    Replies: @Sparkon, @JMcG

    , @Bozo the Clown
    @Jonathan Mason

    He’s (obviously?) assuming that you’ll do your research and appropriate diet analysis to determine whether you could benefit from this advice.
    Also, not all salt is iodized. Pink “Himalayan” and kosher salt are not, and both seem to be very popular these days.

  84. Speaking of racist, check out the Ad Council’s resources for indoctrinating informing black audiences about the covid vaxxes …

    https://www.adcouncil.org/campaign/vaccine-education?ta=black-audiences#television

    Check out the guidelines they offer for messaging to black audiences …

    https://blackcommunityvaccinetoolkit.org/download/storage/Messaging-Tips-Black-Communities-4.28.PDF

    Don’t, for example, “Indicate that Black people were not included in clinical trials.” That one is so important they repeated it in their tips. I personally don’t know if blacks were in the trials or not, but somebody put it out there.

    Also don’t say

    .Approved by the FDA
    • Operation Warp Speed
    • Emergency Use Authorization

  85. Asians are the only ones whose BMI caculations tend to make them seem underweight, even when they have a higher bodyfat percentage than whites.

    As usual… Didn’t see anything about Asians in Steve’s excerpts. Because these types of articles always seem to want to ignore the fact that the standards actually imply that Asian women (women of color) are the superior ones.

    It’s not just fat… Black and white women have hulking musculature and Terminator exoskeletons weighing them down.

    • Replies: @anon
    @JohnPlywood

    All reliable stats (online dating etc. Al) show that on the ground, European Males and East Asian Females are the most desirable.

    Boards like this are filled with geeks and incels and cucks like Whiskey so course White Woman Supremacy combined with Negrophila is pushed.

  86. @Rob

    “This level of mistrust between Black communities and the health-care system needs to come to some sort of head, and I think we’re there now,” said Carter, the dietitian.
     
    So medicine and policing are two fields blacks don’t like, How many others are there? I am sure blacks dislike and distrust the entire criminal justice system. Honestly, blacks dislike and distrust pretty much every element of civilization they have many encounters with. The only “solution” I can see is a reservation system, much like the ones various Indian tribes have. They live in their own communities, under their own rules, backstopped by the federal government so they don’t start eating each other.

    Honestly, what is left besides separation? Machines and Mexicans do the work that they are capable of. They do not like whites. Some whites worship them in the abstract, but even those tend to avoid living around them. We have tried integration for sixty years or so, it failed. Whites do not want it. Even the liberals. Blacks dislike and distrust us, for good reasons. Blacks have not taken white aid in good faith. We provide help so children of negligent black fathers can have minimally decent material upbringings, and they have unbelievable numbers of bastards. Black men pride themselves on how many bastards they can have.

    The black middle class exists solely from affirmative action. Without AA, the black middle class would whither away to almost nothing. They have not taken on middle class culture. Even if they had, their sons regress so sharply to the mean on criminality and IQ that they could not benefit from the best culture for a whole generation, They do not have the temperaments to be tiger mommed. The black upper class consists of affaleaks and entertainers. Their kids will not stay in the upper class.

    Honestly separation would make both whites and blacks happier. I do not think the these reservations would be great places for whites to live. I would not want to live there. Blacks want a higher material standard of living, but they do not want to adopt a culture compatible with maintaining that. Probably they are constitutionally incapable of doing so. In a few hundred years, selection could work its magic, but the selective pressures on blacks, and the strategies they have evolved to cope are not going to make the, more civilized. We have tried imprisoning their worst criminals. They respond by adopting prisoner culture in the community at large.

    Perhaps that offers a way forward. Robert Lindsey, a communist, more or less insane blogger, has noted that black men have better (by white standards) outcomes in prison, lower death rate, lower murder rate, higher employment rate... in prison than free. Perhaps a prison-lite environment would help? Include women, and let the ‘better’ blacks have more children, etc. But why should whites be responsible for transforming blacks? What gives us the right? Why should we have to pay so much to keep them? Is improving them our responsibility? It would be the white man’s burden, a hugely expensive project that would corrupt whites in the process. Not to mention the hedonic cost. Black men would live longer, but they would not get the enjoyment of forties and blunts. Perhaps they should get to fade away from this earth doing what they love.

    Reservations or custodial supervision. I do not see any other possibilities compatible with whites thriving. Do you?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Almost Missouri, @Truth

    Mostly agree. And in fact what you describe isn’t hypothetical. We actually had this system in the unjustly maligned Jim Crow era. And contrary to what one hears now, it worked pretty well, for both races. Just about every black social indicator—crime rates, drug use, family integrity, rate of material improvement, etc. was higher back then. And obviously, white society was not afflicted with all the black pathologies that afflict us now. Also back then, there was indeed an organic black middle class, since there were naturally black-owned enterprises in black communities, which weren’t being snuffed out by the Federal government handing out free money.

    Ironically, in this separate but equal world, blacks tended more to “middle class” values (working, saving, moderation, politeness), black fertility was more eugenic, and black society was slowly assimilating rather than absimilating (and pulling everything else with it) because blacks were subject to the same natural and market pressures as everyone else. The one-two punch of the welfare state and [anti-]Civil Rights has put an end to all that and spawned and accelerated the current dystopia. Sad.

    It would not even be hard to go back. Simply end all the forced integration and restore Constitutional free association. People will naturally gravitate back to their own kind, absent the massive incentives to do otherwise. If and when the FedGov collapses, this will happen more or less automatically anyway.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Almost Missouri

    "black pathologies"

    All this hurly-burly and brouhaha over white fragility seems to be cover for black fragility. The precious soul of black folk just can't abide criticism; thus the ruckus and fracas. Pure flim-flam.

  87. Yeah I just figured in a 5’11” man at 210lbs and it registered 29.3% which would be overweight, nearly obese. Obese started at 30%. That would fit the average 1980’s and 1990s NFL running back. Guys like Walter Payton were 5’10 and 200lbs, Barry Sanders even shorter at 5’8″ and 200lbs would be in the obese category.

  88. I get the sense that these BMI complaints aren’t the sort of cognizable thing where people argue that peak Arnold Schwarzenegger was “obese” and therefore the BMI needs updating, but rather complaints of people who want to pretend that Lizzo is not only beautiful but healthy and normal at her current load.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The fat acceptance movement tried to promote the phrase 'health at any size' 10-15 years ago. One doesn't hear it any more. Maybe too many of its proponents died of heart attacks or diabetes complications.

  89. @Arclight
    BMI is a fairly crude measurement - the only factors it takes into account are height and weight, and obviously the composition of a person's body in terms of fat versus muscle are important considerations in terms of health. I am over 40, have less than 15% bodyfat and work out a fair amount so my BMI says I am overweight - at my height I would have to drop about 15 lbs to be in the "healthy" BMI range which would basically mean stop lifting and just run for exercise.

    Now all that said, it's obvious the author of this piece is mainly concerned with the embarrassing rates of obesity in her pet racial group versus that of the white majority (which is nothing to be proud of either). Like a lot of prog white ideas, doing away with societal standards for our most troubled demographic is just going to mean more of them come to an early end than would otherwise be the case.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    BMI is quick and dirty. If a nutritionist is going to design a diet for you, she’s going to measure percent body fat too. That’s pretty reliable, with a comfortable range for both men and women. If you have any flab, that test will pick it up and present a mild shock.

    Lots of people don’t think they’re that overweight until they start a plan and discover how much can be shed. A friend lost 85 pounds last year. He knew he was plump, but he didn’t realize how much. He said he didn’t notice a difference in his clothing before 20 pounds were gone. That’s when it hit him: he was not just fat, but fat in a compact way. His organs were all being squeezed by hidden extra pounds.

    But honestly, do we really need fancy numbers to recognize fat and obesity? So much self-delusion in our world.

  90. @Anon
    My own opinion is that you could do a lot to cure obesity in this country and eliminate Type 2 diabetes by bumping up the recommended amount of iodine in the average vitamin pill from 150 micrograms to 200 to 250 micrograms.

    150 is most emphatically not the ideal amount that your body needs; it's only the amount that's just enough to prevent goiter. For your body to operate at its peak of health you need more than that. Iodine is an important regulator of your insulin and blood sugar. If your iodine levels are low, your metabolism will slow down, you'll start gaining weight, your blood sugar will get out of control.

    We have a whole country of people walking around who are mildly hypothyroid, getting fatter as they age, and courting type 2 diabetes who would benefit from more iodine. Once you're out of your skinny youth and you start putting on a few pounds, you're no longer getting enough iodine per kilogram of body weight if you're only getting 150 micrograms.

    But don't take megadoses. Don't take milligrams or grams, just a few more micrograms. You don't need to screw up your thyroid with megadoses.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Anon, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb

    “goiter”

    Sprinkle some iodized salt over your fried goiter. That’ll help prevent goiter.

  91. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Race and crime is more predictive than “gender” in modern US as @iSteve points out.

  92. res says:
    @Kratoklastes
    Quetelet was a nutcase who believed that l'homme moyen was the ideal. He also didn't understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    That alone rules out BMI as a useful measure for anyone more than 1sd above or below average height (which is still 5'9", with s.d. of ~3").

    As I've said before, Quetelet's idea of the 'ideal man' being average in all dimensions, would be a fucking disaster in practice... imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.

    For all its manifest, manifold faults, the fact that the current system yields supernormal returns to IQ (up to about 2σ above the mean) is preferable, even though it results in capture by political parasites (IQ ~115-120, but sociopaths)... but that's mostly because people of below +2σ IQ are permitted to be involved in the selection process.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @res, @James J O'Meara, @Mycale, @Philip Neal

    He also didn’t understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    He apparently was aware of it.
    https://people.maths.ox.ac.uk/trefethen/bmi.html

    The BMI was known for many years as the Quetelet Index until it was renamed the BMI by the American Ancel Keys. But Quetelet himself was well aware of the [complexity of the] choice of scaling. Here is a quote from his book “A Treatise on Man and the Development of his Faculties”, 1842:

    If man increased equally in all dimensions, his weight at different ages would be as the cube of his height. Now, this is not what we really observe. The increase of weight is slower, except during the first year after birth; then the proportion we have just pointed out is pretty regularly observed. But after this period, and until near the age of puberty, weight increases nearly as the square of the height. The development of weight again becomes very rapid at puberty, and almost stops after the twenty-fifth year. In general, we do not err much when we assume that during development the squares of the weight at different ages are as the fifth powers of the height; which naturally leads to this conclusion, in supporting the specific gravity constant, that the transverse growth of man is less than the vertical.

    [In the next paragraph, however, Quetelet does indeed suggest the exponent 2 for fully grown adults.]

    The exponent 2.5 appears to be a better fit to reality. Which is the topic of that page.

    The average as ideal idea is interesting in the context of many traits/biomarkers. It’s clearly broken in some cases (especially in dysfunctional populations, consider average weight in the US), but seems to work more often than not (especially if you are willing to consider fudging things to somewhere within the middle 50%, i.e. second and third quartiles).

    BMI seems like a useful statistical concept for populations, but it can break badly in individual cases. The big issues I see are tall/short people (as you note), muscular people, and people with unusual body dimensions (e.g. torso/leg ratio).

    IQ is an interesting exception as you note.

  93. @Almost Missouri
    @Rob

    Mostly agree. And in fact what you describe isn't hypothetical. We actually had this system in the unjustly maligned Jim Crow era. And contrary to what one hears now, it worked pretty well, for both races. Just about every black social indicator—crime rates, drug use, family integrity, rate of material improvement, etc. was higher back then. And obviously, white society was not afflicted with all the black pathologies that afflict us now. Also back then, there was indeed an organic black middle class, since there were naturally black-owned enterprises in black communities, which weren't being snuffed out by the Federal government handing out free money.

    Ironically, in this separate but equal world, blacks tended more to "middle class" values (working, saving, moderation, politeness), black fertility was more eugenic, and black society was slowly assimilating rather than absimilating (and pulling everything else with it) because blacks were subject to the same natural and market pressures as everyone else. The one-two punch of the welfare state and [anti-]Civil Rights has put an end to all that and spawned and accelerated the current dystopia. Sad.

    It would not even be hard to go back. Simply end all the forced integration and restore Constitutional free association. People will naturally gravitate back to their own kind, absent the massive incentives to do otherwise. If and when the FedGov collapses, this will happen more or less automatically anyway.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “black pathologies”

    All this hurly-burly and brouhaha over white fragility seems to be cover for black fragility. The precious soul of black folk just can’t abide criticism; thus the ruckus and fracas. Pure flim-flam.

  94. Of course, BMI is racist. The whole reality is racist. That’s why to kindly protect us MSM never report a word of truth. Didn’t you know?

  95. res says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    The usual black complaints about anything that paints them in a bad light (fat-ass tubs that take a 100 ft. to get past in the airport concourse) aside, I've had plenty of people tell me that the use of BMI was ridiculous for their purposes. I knew a body builder who was kicked out of his position in the Air Force due to his high weight/BMI. He had been an MP.

    I'd like commenter Res to chime in on this one: BMI is not a dimensionless number, of course. Dimensionless numbers, Mach, Reynolds number, coefficient of friction, etc. seem to be much more useful as indexes. This means that a BMI must be calculated only in SI units, as the English units won't give the same, except as with a stopped clock. There seems inherently something wrong with an "index" that comes out differently when calculated in different units.

    Replies: @res

    I’d like commenter Res to chime in on this one: BMI is not a dimensionless number, of course.

    Heh. Thanks. I did as soon as I saw it ; ) See my comment above.

    I also knew someone like that in the military who had that headache. Didn’t get kicked out AFAIK, but trouble from above.

    Regarding SI vs. English units, they give the same result, you just have to change the constant. Though not dimensionless, both versions are mass / length ^ 2. From wikipedia, the constant is
    703 (kg/m2)/(lb/in2)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_mass_index#History

    There are definitely people for whom BMI is a deceiving metric, but I suspect they are vastly outnumbered by rationalizers attempting to ignore reality.

  96. @International Jew
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I nominate that word, resilience, to be the new, politically correct, replacement for BMI. Thus Stacy Abrams is no longer fat, or high-BMI, she's resilient; stuff thrown at her tends to bounce off more energetically.

    Replies: @res

    Funny. How about gravitas as an alternative? ; )

    Note that both of these make high values not just neutral, but actively good, with low values being bad.

  97. @Mr. Blank
    Well, they’re not wrong — I don’t know about “racism,” but BMI really does need to be scrapped, at least at the individual level.

    I mean, according to BMI, I’ve been “overweight” my entire adult life — even back when I was a workout/health fanatic in my 30s. Back then I was killing myself at the gym six days a week, and I STILL qualified as “overweight.” Every alternative measure of obesity showed I was fine and perfectly healthy, and I got regular compliments on my appearance — but according to BMI, I was still just a big ol’ lard-ass. Crazy. My dad, who was a lifelong athlete and major health fanatic, was the same way.

    It was infuriating. To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb, @Dr. DoomNGloom, @S. Anonyia

    I’m fairly certain the BMI was invented by the Asian male physician who felt insecure in the presence of the large apish white man who caught the eye of his girlfriend at the check-in counter.

  98. @Charon

    research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions.
     
    Except for the part of the body known as the brain, which is exactly identical for all races.

    Notes
    1. Except that race doesn't exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Truth, @AnotherDad

    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.

    Alright.

    After ALL THESE YEARS you people are finally learning something.

  99. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anon

    So, Anon [100], how do you obtain "a few micrograms" of extra iodine and avoid overdosing? Do you take an extra half vitamin pill or what?

    Or just up your intake of seafood and dairy products?

    Your advice is very dangerous and irresponsible.

    Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized. This is a measure to ensure that the population gets sufficient dietary iodine as the people who are most vulnerable to iodine deficiency are those who live far from the ocean.

    Yes, "middle age spread" is a thing, but if the solution was simply to add more iodine to the diet, don't you think medical researchers would have figured this out long ago?

    Replies: @Anon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Bozo the Clown

    Researchers have never done testing on what the ideal amount of iodine is. There is no data on the subject at all. I’ve looked for it.

    The solution is a pharmaceutical profession that bothers to create a pill with 200 micrograms of iodine. It’s that simple.

  100. @Steve Sailer
    @Cortes

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hospital-slang/

    Replies: @Cortes, @Alfa158, @photondancer

    Years ago I was at a party with a bunch of emergency room physicians and one of them told me emergency medical workers have a philosophical saying they use when out of earshot of patients. “The bleeding always stops”.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  101. @Rob

    “This level of mistrust between Black communities and the health-care system needs to come to some sort of head, and I think we’re there now,” said Carter, the dietitian.
     
    So medicine and policing are two fields blacks don’t like, How many others are there? I am sure blacks dislike and distrust the entire criminal justice system. Honestly, blacks dislike and distrust pretty much every element of civilization they have many encounters with. The only “solution” I can see is a reservation system, much like the ones various Indian tribes have. They live in their own communities, under their own rules, backstopped by the federal government so they don’t start eating each other.

    Honestly, what is left besides separation? Machines and Mexicans do the work that they are capable of. They do not like whites. Some whites worship them in the abstract, but even those tend to avoid living around them. We have tried integration for sixty years or so, it failed. Whites do not want it. Even the liberals. Blacks dislike and distrust us, for good reasons. Blacks have not taken white aid in good faith. We provide help so children of negligent black fathers can have minimally decent material upbringings, and they have unbelievable numbers of bastards. Black men pride themselves on how many bastards they can have.

    The black middle class exists solely from affirmative action. Without AA, the black middle class would whither away to almost nothing. They have not taken on middle class culture. Even if they had, their sons regress so sharply to the mean on criminality and IQ that they could not benefit from the best culture for a whole generation, They do not have the temperaments to be tiger mommed. The black upper class consists of affaleaks and entertainers. Their kids will not stay in the upper class.

    Honestly separation would make both whites and blacks happier. I do not think the these reservations would be great places for whites to live. I would not want to live there. Blacks want a higher material standard of living, but they do not want to adopt a culture compatible with maintaining that. Probably they are constitutionally incapable of doing so. In a few hundred years, selection could work its magic, but the selective pressures on blacks, and the strategies they have evolved to cope are not going to make the, more civilized. We have tried imprisoning their worst criminals. They respond by adopting prisoner culture in the community at large.

    Perhaps that offers a way forward. Robert Lindsey, a communist, more or less insane blogger, has noted that black men have better (by white standards) outcomes in prison, lower death rate, lower murder rate, higher employment rate... in prison than free. Perhaps a prison-lite environment would help? Include women, and let the ‘better’ blacks have more children, etc. But why should whites be responsible for transforming blacks? What gives us the right? Why should we have to pay so much to keep them? Is improving them our responsibility? It would be the white man’s burden, a hugely expensive project that would corrupt whites in the process. Not to mention the hedonic cost. Black men would live longer, but they would not get the enjoyment of forties and blunts. Perhaps they should get to fade away from this earth doing what they love.

    Reservations or custodial supervision. I do not see any other possibilities compatible with whites thriving. Do you?

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Almost Missouri, @Truth

    What you just did here, Rob, is quite a rare accomplishment.

    You made a six paragraph post in which not one sentence contained an original thought.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Truth

    The Truth hurts. Those might not be original thoughts, but they are unsaid in discourse, and are far outside the Overton window. New (or old) ideas add to the options that society has for solving problems.

    ‘Let blacks police blacks’ may not be original, but it is the best solution for how little legitimacy police have within the black community. Many blacks strongly dislike whites, and hate interaction with them. I think letting blacks police themselves in communities where they do not have to deal with whites would be a welcome situation for them.

    Truth, you are a bright guy. What do you think are potential solutions for how much blacks dislike dealing with whites, especially white police, who the pointy end of the spear of white supremacy?

    A lot of black men are in the criminal justice system, wheelchairs, or graves due to black on black violence. Should the ones in prison be there? It seems to me that different countries counties, locales, etc tolerate different levels of crime and social disorder. I think black people should be able to set laws and norms for black communities. Unfortunately, crime is not entirely intraracial. There is spillover of black crime to non-blacks, Because of that spillover, whites think they (whites) should set the rules and system for laws and enforcement, The criminal justice system, though it employees blacks, is a white creation based on white personality distributions and culture, is it acceptable that white institutions have so much power over blacks?

    Do you think all (or most) of the young black men in prison should be there? Do you think white police questioning, fining, ticketing, and arresting black people is acceptable? My understanding is that many cities, especially majority black ones, have chosen to support local government on the income from fines. I do not know if that is the decision of the blacks in power. If it is, then that is ok with me. Different communities have different norms and expect different things from government. Perhaps black cities have noticed that black economic activity is difficult to tax. Perhaps they have discovered that property taxes do not raise enough funds, likely from setting property tax rates along white norms. Blacks are hard on property values, because they have lower average income and whites do not want to live or work around too many blacks. It seems to me black cities should set peoperty taxes in black areas at a higher percentage rate, justified on blacks receiving discounts on the ‘true value’ of their property, caused by white reactions to black behavioral norms. Blacks are receiving more value from their property than is reflected in the assessed value. Regardless, perhaps supporting government off of the fines imposed on black men is the decision of whites in government. Is that acceptable to you? It seems to me that blacks have a different culture, and for whatever reasons, behave differently. I think blacks should set the rules for.black neighborhoods

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Truth

    C'mon, man: "backstopped by the federal government so they don't start eating each other" is pretty good.

    Agreed, cannibal jokes are somewhat passé and maybe even a bit déclassé -- it's just not considered good form to mention what Those People do when we're not watching -- but Rob slipped that one in there where I wasn't expecting it. He took a tired old cliché and made it shiny and new again.

    Can you do that, Old Sport?

  102. @Mr. Blank
    Well, they’re not wrong — I don’t know about “racism,” but BMI really does need to be scrapped, at least at the individual level.

    I mean, according to BMI, I’ve been “overweight” my entire adult life — even back when I was a workout/health fanatic in my 30s. Back then I was killing myself at the gym six days a week, and I STILL qualified as “overweight.” Every alternative measure of obesity showed I was fine and perfectly healthy, and I got regular compliments on my appearance — but according to BMI, I was still just a big ol’ lard-ass. Crazy. My dad, who was a lifelong athlete and major health fanatic, was the same way.

    It was infuriating. To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb, @Dr. DoomNGloom, @S. Anonyia

    To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.

    Yes, more or less. BMI is a population statistic that does not consider the many normal individual variations. Naively applying BMI to individuals is a logical fallacy.

  103. BMI has its flaws but black people are fatter than white, Hispanic and Asian people. Proof? The Centers for Disease Control keeps national data from birth certificate information collected by all states. In March, the National Center for Health Statistics published the annual birth data for 2019. Births: Final Data for 2019.

    Black women have more health problems associated with obesity such as diabetes, hypertension and infant mortality. The black megaphone press says it is caused by racism in health care. Trouble is that 39.1% of black women had a BMI of 30 just prior to becoming pregnant according to birth certificate records. A BMI of 30 is fat. It isn’t caused by big bones.

  104. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:

    Social Darwinism is pseudoscience?

  105. @AndrewR
    @Kronos

    A few years ago they banned all sorts of flavored cigarettes, although somehow my beloved clove cigarettes just got renamed into "cigars" despite apparently being identical to the old ones.


    The ban did not include menthol cigarettes, which I saw as a completely illogical thing (barring the political implications). So now they are just following through on the same nanny state logic as before

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Travis

    they banned mint flavored e-cigarettes and now they are banning menthol cigarettes while most states are legalizing marijuana candy and vapes. One of the reasons for the rise of obesity and the falling testosterone levels has been the war on nicotine.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Travis

    Yes, I'm sure all the new pot smokers will be nice and thin, with high T and lots of brainy discoveries.

  106. Don’t know if BMI is racist, but it is useless as a health/fitness indicator.

  107. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anon

    So, Anon [100], how do you obtain "a few micrograms" of extra iodine and avoid overdosing? Do you take an extra half vitamin pill or what?

    Or just up your intake of seafood and dairy products?

    Your advice is very dangerous and irresponsible.

    Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized. This is a measure to ensure that the population gets sufficient dietary iodine as the people who are most vulnerable to iodine deficiency are those who live far from the ocean.

    Yes, "middle age spread" is a thing, but if the solution was simply to add more iodine to the diet, don't you think medical researchers would have figured this out long ago?

    Replies: @Anon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Bozo the Clown

    “Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized.”
    This is no longer true, and probably hasn’t been true for decades.
    A 26-ounce container of Morton salt found on our kitchen shelf is labeled
    THIS SALT DOES NOT SUPPLY IODINE, A NECESSARY NUTRIENT.
    If anybody knows why salt is no longer iodized, please tell us.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    You have to read the label. Both iodized and non-iodized salt are for sale in most markets.

    I rarely put salt on my food, but I like to have iodized salt on hand for gargling with warm water, which is the first thing to do if you get a tickle in your throat, and a good general practice to promote oral health.

    Reading the label carefully to ensure you're getting what you want is especially important these days when many items have diet, light, lo-cal, nonfat, flavored, and/or artificially sweetened varieties that have similar packaging to the original plain jane product, but tend to taste like you-know-what.

    The onset of the obesity epidemic correlates well with the introduction of high fructose corn syrup and Aspartame.

    In my youth, my pals and I guzzled sody pop and gobbled candy bars any and every chance we got, and virtually all of us were lean if not skinny by modern standards. Of course, in the summertime, we played sports, ran in the woods, and rode our bikes switching over with the turning seasons to sledding, ice skating, and yes, even playing basketball outside with gloves on, sometimes on top of the snow.

    I caddied, washed cars, ran errands, cut lawns, shoveled sidewalks, cleared snow from cars, and eventually had a newspaper route to be able to buy baseball cards, pea shooters, slingshots, balsa wood gliders, and enjoy an ice-cold Coke and Snickers while reading a Batman comic book!

    And on the weekends, we'd head downtown for a big Saturday afternoon double-feature matinee with cartoons at a big movie palace. Bus fare home was soon sacrificed for another box of popcorn and another grape soda, but walking home from downtown or school was no big deal - 'did it all the time - and only rarely did we get hauled around.

    These days, when they try to haul ass, it often takes two or more loads.

    , @JMcG
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Because all the folks on TV tell us that only Kosher or Sea Salt are to be used with our Extra Virgin Olive Oil. No iodine in either of those.

    Replies: @notsaying

  108. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    BMI is racist against muscular men. My BMI is 31, ergo obese. I tell people that I am obese and they laugh at the absurdity

    Replies: @James Braxton, @anon

    BMI is racist against muscular men.

    When did “muscular men” become a race? Have you been watching those gladiator movies again?

  109. Obesity is bad for you … women and minorities hardest hit.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @AnotherDad

    There is such a thing as racial genetics that make a sleek, lithe build impossible: Malays vs. Chinese, for example. And women are always going to have more fat than men, because birth, breasts, etc.

    But there's a *big* difference between accepting that someone is never going to be skinny, and tolerating obesity.

  110. @Kronos
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Oh Lord He Comin!”

    https://youtu.be/zFJP-dR-XpQ

    Replies: @Yancey Ward, @Charon, @fish

    Whiskey’s greatest fear…..a black guy with the largest testicles ever!

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @fish

    I don’t want to be in the same time zone if this guy ever busts a nut.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @fish


    Whiskey’s greatest fear…..a black guy with the largest testicles ever!
     
    Are you sure those aren't basketballs? They look regulation size.
  111. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — from the Boston Globe:


    https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/qv9SPzNN30qijUTRq6ck05-0vdU=/1280x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/JGNDSDFZN5B2HMSVILEMXX5U4E.png

    City of Boston, MBTA unveil digital billboards celebrating Asian American strength, resilience

    Amid Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, dozens of digital billboards around Greater Boston boast slogans supporting the country’s largest diaspora.

    Stand with us, some read. We belong here. Protect our elders.

    The signs are emblazoned with faces of people hailing from Korea to Bangladesh and crafted in a flurry of bold colors. A few plainly state that Asian American residents “are more than” a long list of stereotypes — more than “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” “the helpless refugee,” “the nail lady,” “the Tiger mom.”

    Together with the City of Boston and the MBTA, Chinatown’s Pao Arts Center stationed the signs in 80 locations.
     
    The smug, sullen faces will likely inspire more Black-on-Yaller kung pow beatdowns.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @International Jew, @3g4me, @James J O'Meara, @Known Fact

    @26 Jenner Ickham Errican: The new Soviet man in yellow/brownface. Truly inspirational. Yet, somehow, I still have zero FTG.

  112. @Morton's toes
    @Anonymous

    https://cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/5502557042001/b37f5120-98ac-46d7-b97d-e9150592f255/d464e5a7-29cd-4515-9e29-597f72047621/1280x720/match/image.jpg

    Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk, @fish, @The Alarmist

    Yeah……Cox isn’t going to win….I still like the marketing though.

    Extra points for really making Gavin look just like Christian Bale in “American Psycho”!

  113. For clear and objective facts and analysis, you can’t do better than a journalist named “Carly Stern”.

    • Agree: fish
  114. @Charon

    research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions.
     
    Except for the part of the body known as the brain, which is exactly identical for all races.

    Notes
    1. Except that race doesn't exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Truth, @AnotherDad

    research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions.

    Except for the part of the body known as the brain, which is exactly identical for all races.

    Notes
    1. Except that race doesn’t exist.
    2. Except that Blacks are superior.

    Minoritarianism is stupid. 95% of “journalism” today is simply a demonstration of that.

    But beyond that, one thing that stands out in stories that start with a whine … does anything positive come from the writing of the “Carly Stern”s out there. If we simply cancelled all “journalism” from these reporterettes journalism–while still an utter disaster–would be about an order of magnitude less whiny and stupid.

  115. @Clyde
    @Anon

    You have a good point there. I think most Americans are getting zero or close to zero iodine in their diets.

    Replies: @Carol, @Uncle Dan

    Iodized salt?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Uncle Dan

    You are right. Iodized salt is very common. FWIW--


    Iodized salt in the U.S. contains 45 micrograms of iodine per gram of salt. The recommended daily intake for adults is 150 micrograms, which can be obtained from about one-half to three-quarters of a teaspoon of table salt. Testing of the general population indicates that most Americans consume sufficient levels of iodine through their diets.
    Mayo Clinic Q and A: Sea salt and sufficient iodine intake ...
     
  116. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    BMI is pretty worthless, just some one size fits all formula where everybody at some particular height should weigh the same. Two people of the same weight could look very different and have different body fat levels. It’s body fat level not some penny scale chart from eons ago. Why they have to work blacks into this is confusing. Blacks hit hardest makes the argument more convincing?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @anonymous


    BMI is pretty worthless, just some one size fits all formula where everybody at some particular height should weigh the same.
     
    Agree. You need the float test.

    Throw 'em in the tank and if they float, they're a witch!
  117. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:

    Carly Stern…

    https://carlystern.squarespace.com/about

    …has a number of gigs.

    https://niemanstoryboard.org/authors/carly-stern/

    The niemanstoryboard is an interesting thing all by itself. I doubt that just any random with a BA from State U J-school would qualify to join. Definitely some kind of selectivity. Here is an entire article on how opinion was shaped regarding George Floyd, written by Carly Stern. A journo-list interviewing other journo-lists about journo-lism.

    https://niemanstoryboard.org/stories/how-an-editor-guided-the-many-cooks-reporting-how-racism-shaped-george-floyd/

    One could ask Carly Stern and/or her friends why Cannon Hinnant’s life was not worth bothering to write about. Doubtful they’d have much of an answer, though. But such silence is a kind of answer.

  118. @JohnnyWalker123
    This is NOT good....

    https://twitter.com/WCWOA/status/1390156355533692934

    Replies: @notsaying, @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @J.Ross

    The medical profession must be made to pay for this whole mess. A millennial overhaul is necessary. Already, huge numbers of people have had their eyes opened to how smart, honest, and reliable doctors aren’t, and if doctors want their credibility back it will take more than seizing unconstitutional power and yelling at people.

  119. Much like the retreat of the SAT — It has simply become verboten to apply any objective measure or standard. There’s always an excuse

  120. @Kratoklastes
    Quetelet was a nutcase who believed that l'homme moyen was the ideal. He also didn't understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    That alone rules out BMI as a useful measure for anyone more than 1sd above or below average height (which is still 5'9", with s.d. of ~3").

    As I've said before, Quetelet's idea of the 'ideal man' being average in all dimensions, would be a fucking disaster in practice... imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.

    For all its manifest, manifold faults, the fact that the current system yields supernormal returns to IQ (up to about 2σ above the mean) is preferable, even though it results in capture by political parasites (IQ ~115-120, but sociopaths)... but that's mostly because people of below +2σ IQ are permitted to be involved in the selection process.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @res, @James J O'Meara, @Mycale, @Philip Neal

    If I understand you correctly, Q was an example of a high-IQ nerd whose particular obsession was idealizing The Norm in everything, so everything needs to be regulated and ironed out. That seems to be peculiar to the French (the Revolution, Comte, liberty etc., metric system, Washington DC street grid, and so on) while the German type seems to go for the “to Hell with the rabble, society should be run by me and my Master Race types (Schopenhauer, Hegel, Nietzsche, Frankfurt School, Spengler etc.). Are the French simply mediocre by nature? (Compare their twee little music to the Germans). Hence, by compensation, the obsession with “la gloire”.

  121. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why does George Takei want us to stand with him? Well, at least it's better than lying with him.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That’s not George Takei, that was that one gay guy who was murdered by a black guy.

  122. Serious advice for Carly Stern:

    Despite your Duke degree you are not “well educated” and do not actually know very much about the world, about life. Your journalism, however interesting to you, is not particularly important nor beneficial to the world.

    You are 25ish. You are at the peak of your fertility and will never be more attractive to men than you are now.

    Concentrate on finding a high quality young man who is doing something productive sufficient to support a family–and lock him down. Commit to being a great wife and mother. Have a bunch of children. Bake cookies, be a mom. Nothing you do in life will be anywhere near as important or rewarding. (Hint: The world needs smart children, more than it needs “journalism”.)

    If after you’re launched the kids to school, you still want to be a journalist … great. Find an area you are passionate about and become an expert on it. Your journalism will be better having had some actual life experience and being a mom.

    Sincerely, AnotherDad.

    • Replies: @anon
    @AnotherDad

    Serious advice for Carly Stern:

    OK, Boomer!

    Serous advice for Dad - girls like Carly do not read here. Pretending they do is like sitting on the front porch talking to imaginary friends.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @AnotherDad


    If after you’re launched the kids to school, you still want to be a journalist … great. Find an area you are passionate about and become an expert on it. Your journalism will be better having had some actual life experience and being a mom.

     

    It's hard to reenter the labor force after having been a full-time parent for many years. Employers will discriminate against you.

    The labor force is amazingly competitive these days. So it's important to go to the right school, get a job quickly after graduation (at a good firm), and climb the career ladder. If you fall off this standard career track, you'll find it very hard to get back on.

    Being a full-time parent is not a bad thing, but you'll have to sacrifice your career ambitions.
  123. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — from the Boston Globe:


    https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/qv9SPzNN30qijUTRq6ck05-0vdU=/1280x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/JGNDSDFZN5B2HMSVILEMXX5U4E.png

    City of Boston, MBTA unveil digital billboards celebrating Asian American strength, resilience

    Amid Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, dozens of digital billboards around Greater Boston boast slogans supporting the country’s largest diaspora.

    Stand with us, some read. We belong here. Protect our elders.

    The signs are emblazoned with faces of people hailing from Korea to Bangladesh and crafted in a flurry of bold colors. A few plainly state that Asian American residents “are more than” a long list of stereotypes — more than “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” “the helpless refugee,” “the nail lady,” “the Tiger mom.”

    Together with the City of Boston and the MBTA, Chinatown’s Pao Arts Center stationed the signs in 80 locations.
     
    The smug, sullen faces will likely inspire more Black-on-Yaller kung pow beatdowns.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @International Jew, @3g4me, @James J O'Meara, @Known Fact

    So, Asians are “more than” just, merely, simply, “the future doctor,” “the straight A student.” Methinks this is a psyop by a certain other ethnic group that is quite proud to be “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” etc.

  124. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — from the Boston Globe:


    https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/qv9SPzNN30qijUTRq6ck05-0vdU=/1280x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/JGNDSDFZN5B2HMSVILEMXX5U4E.png

    City of Boston, MBTA unveil digital billboards celebrating Asian American strength, resilience

    Amid Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, dozens of digital billboards around Greater Boston boast slogans supporting the country’s largest diaspora.

    Stand with us, some read. We belong here. Protect our elders.

    The signs are emblazoned with faces of people hailing from Korea to Bangladesh and crafted in a flurry of bold colors. A few plainly state that Asian American residents “are more than” a long list of stereotypes — more than “the future doctor,” “the straight A student,” “the helpless refugee,” “the nail lady,” “the Tiger mom.”

    Together with the City of Boston and the MBTA, Chinatown’s Pao Arts Center stationed the signs in 80 locations.
     
    The smug, sullen faces will likely inspire more Black-on-Yaller kung pow beatdowns.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @International Jew, @3g4me, @James J O'Meara, @Known Fact

    The NYC media is still absolutely loving this “Rash of Anti-Asian Assaults” theme, while of course lacking the same enthusiasm for identifying the culprits — or comparing per-capita Asian assaults vs. assault victims in general.

    Now every group needs its victimhood, and NYC Sikhs are starting to complain about assaults as well — though unlike elderly little Asians, the Sikhs I’ve seen around Queens do not look like people to wisely be messed with. Do we have any free months left? OK, give them a month.

  125. @Charon
    @Kronos

    Apologies to any fatties up in here, but the simple fact is that making fun of fat people is good clean fun, and you know it as well as we do.

    That said, once the BMI is over 35 they should no longer be covered by Medicaid or insurance. And once they can't fit in the doorway to the ER, they shouldn't be covered there either.

    Q: Are these people even capable of procreating? I presume there's some pr0n subculture pertaining to that? Nvm, please forget I asked.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @Stan Adams

    For the record, I submitted an answer to your question, but the comment is trapped in moderation hell.

    I’m thinking of starting a blog called Life in the Fat Lane, in which I document the trials and tribulations of the fabulous life of a tubby incel.

  126. @PiltdownMan
    @Reg Cæsar


    A lot of classical, foreign and public domain music got played instead (e.g., the Mexican “Perfidia”)
     
    I like the Mexican-American "Perfidia."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y35rY5VMOY0

    Replies: @Highlander

    Excellent indeed.

  127. @anonymous
    BMI is pretty worthless, just some one size fits all formula where everybody at some particular height should weigh the same. Two people of the same weight could look very different and have different body fat levels. It's body fat level not some penny scale chart from eons ago. Why they have to work blacks into this is confusing. Blacks hit hardest makes the argument more convincing?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    BMI is pretty worthless, just some one size fits all formula where everybody at some particular height should weigh the same.

    Agree. You need the float test.

    Throw ’em in the tank and if they float, they’re a witch!

  128. @Mr. Blank
    Well, they’re not wrong — I don’t know about “racism,” but BMI really does need to be scrapped, at least at the individual level.

    I mean, according to BMI, I’ve been “overweight” my entire adult life — even back when I was a workout/health fanatic in my 30s. Back then I was killing myself at the gym six days a week, and I STILL qualified as “overweight.” Every alternative measure of obesity showed I was fine and perfectly healthy, and I got regular compliments on my appearance — but according to BMI, I was still just a big ol’ lard-ass. Crazy. My dad, who was a lifelong athlete and major health fanatic, was the same way.

    It was infuriating. To reach a “normal” BMI, I’d either have to look like a concentration camp victim or a male underwear model with 2% body fat.

    Replies: @Dan Smith, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb, @Dr. DoomNGloom, @S. Anonyia

    Don’t get so defensive about it. You can be both overweight and fit. However it isn’t necessarily great for the cardiovascular system even if it’s aesthetically appealing.

    Normal BMIs don’t look like underwear models or concentration camp victims. They look like the men and women from photos in the 1940s.

    I’m only 10 pounds away from the BMI overweight category despite also having an intensive exercise regimen. However, I don’t think fitness level matters; I lost more weight in Europe simply walking everywhere than from all my running, HIIT, and biking here. We Americans simply don’t walk enough.

    Taking over 10,000 steps a day seems to be ideal.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @S. Anonyia

    This is apparent in Asia, too. It's countries with cities that are forbidding to walk through with massive car cultures like Malaysia that tend to have obesity problems. That's not the sole factor, but it's a huge part of it.

    I lived a much unhealthier lifestyle in SEA than I do now, including binge drinking six packs way too often... yet I didn't gain flab, partly because I was still in the habit of walking everywhere despite lockdowns. Out here, I'm lifting, I'm being careful with what I eat, I hydrate, I'm avoiding the bottle, I'm hoping to pick up kali or BJJ once lockdowns improve, the works. But I can't even go to the gym or get groceries without driving, and the impact shows. It's only now that I'm realizing how much I owed to that habit, and how much you need to consciously exercise the habit of walking whenever possible once your metabolism slows down.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @S. Anonyia


    Normal BMIs don’t look like underwear models or concentration camp victims. They look like the men and women from photos in the 1940s.

     

    This is an excellent observation.

    I lost more weight in Europe simply walking everywhere than from all my running, HIIT, and biking here. We Americans simply don’t walk enough.

     

    We Calvinists don't own a car; Hong Kong's public transport is sufficient. But even when you have ubiquitous access to trains/buses/taxis/etc., you still end up walking quite a lot. I am pretty certain that if I didn't live this way, I'd be significantly overweight, rather than just a bit plump, as I am at the moment.

    Incidentally, I find that the BMI scale works very well for me. I feel best when my weight is around BMI 23, which is right around the middle of the normal range. Alas that these days I am a good 15 pounds away from this.
  129. @AnotherDad
    Serious advice for Carly Stern:

    Despite your Duke degree you are not "well educated" and do not actually know very much about the world, about life. Your journalism, however interesting to you, is not particularly important nor beneficial to the world.

    You are 25ish. You are at the peak of your fertility and will never be more attractive to men than you are now.

    Concentrate on finding a high quality young man who is doing something productive sufficient to support a family--and lock him down. Commit to being a great wife and mother. Have a bunch of children. Bake cookies, be a mom. Nothing you do in life will be anywhere near as important or rewarding. (Hint: The world needs smart children, more than it needs "journalism".)

    If after you're launched the kids to school, you still want to be a journalist ... great. Find an area you are passionate about and become an expert on it. Your journalism will be better having had some actual life experience and being a mom.

    Sincerely, AnotherDad.

    Replies: @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    Serious advice for Carly Stern:

    OK, Boomer!

    Serous advice for Dad – girls like Carly do not read here. Pretending they do is like sitting on the front porch talking to imaginary friends.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon

    Yawn. Yet another anonhole.

  130. @Henry's Cat
    @Jonathan Mason

    But if I'm reading the article correctly it's saying that Asian cut points are lower, and that also applies to every other group except black women. So what this article is really about is BIG BLACK BUTTS.

    Replies: @Charon, @Pericles, @Anonymous Jew

  131. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anon

    So, Anon [100], how do you obtain "a few micrograms" of extra iodine and avoid overdosing? Do you take an extra half vitamin pill or what?

    Or just up your intake of seafood and dairy products?

    Your advice is very dangerous and irresponsible.

    Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized. This is a measure to ensure that the population gets sufficient dietary iodine as the people who are most vulnerable to iodine deficiency are those who live far from the ocean.

    Yes, "middle age spread" is a thing, but if the solution was simply to add more iodine to the diet, don't you think medical researchers would have figured this out long ago?

    Replies: @Anon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Bozo the Clown

    He’s (obviously?) assuming that you’ll do your research and appropriate diet analysis to determine whether you could benefit from this advice.
    Also, not all salt is iodized. Pink “Himalayan” and kosher salt are not, and both seem to be very popular these days.

  132. @Kimmelson
    You're astonishingly.. whiny

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You’re astonishingly.. whiny

    You’re astonishingly ducky, and corvine. Tag-teaming?

  133. @Kronos
    Big if true.

    https://redstate.com/jeffc/2021/04/29/breaking-biden-official-confirms-plans-to-ban-fried-chicken-and-grape-drink-n371319

    It’ll be super funny if Biden pumps up gun issues in the media only to swipe menthol cigarettes, fried chicken, and “purple drank” off the US national menu. I’ve known kids who DESPISED Michelle Obama’s healthy food initiatives in the public schools. Looks like they were practice run experiments.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Buffalo Joe

    Kronos, in Berkeley stores can not have sugar added drinks, snacks, candy or gum on display at the check out counter. Here in WNY, cigarettes are not to be found at drug stores or supermarkets. Plastic grocery bags are also banned. In Canada you have to go to a government controlled store to buy beer and another one for wine or liquor. But blacks have the ability to bulk up while living in a food desert. Roxanne Gay, at about 500 pounds, says systemic racism is what makes black women obese. I saw her on stage with oprah, who has to temerity to be a spokesperson for a weight loss plan. Some people are, hmmm, just different. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have a great idea. Open a vegetarian soul food bistro in an African-American food desert.

    Sell vegetarian pollo frito , French fired pommes de terre, and greens.

    Replies: @Kronos

  134. @ScarletNumber
    @notsaying


    People who are overweight are treated differently but that is not done by BMI but by how much they weigh or their appearance.
     
    In the black community there are lower standards vis-à-vis appearance when it comes to body weight.

    Replies: @notsaying, @Buffalo Joe

    Scarlet, but there should be a law on who can buy and wear bike shorts or yoga pants.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  135. @Buffalo Joe
    @Kronos

    Kronos, in Berkeley stores can not have sugar added drinks, snacks, candy or gum on display at the check out counter. Here in WNY, cigarettes are not to be found at drug stores or supermarkets. Plastic grocery bags are also banned. In Canada you have to go to a government controlled store to buy beer and another one for wine or liquor. But blacks have the ability to bulk up while living in a food desert. Roxanne Gay, at about 500 pounds, says systemic racism is what makes black women obese. I saw her on stage with oprah, who has to temerity to be a spokesperson for a weight loss plan. Some people are, hmmm, just different. Stay safe.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I have a great idea. Open a vegetarian soul food bistro in an African-American food desert.

    Sell vegetarian pollo frito , French fired pommes de terre, and greens.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Jonathan Mason

    Might get some interesting government charity grants. Not such a shabby idea.

  136. thoth says:

    BMI is nonsesnse. It’s basically anyone with a BMI more or less than one SD of the mean is “overweight” or “underweight”. So if you fattened the bottom 16% and starved the top 16%, everyone everyone would be a “healthy” weight. But then you would have a new bell curve and could chop that into SDs, and create more “overweight” and “underweight” people

    An acturary from Met Life started using the BMI to guage mortality . They stopped using it decades later when they realized it doesn’t work

    What makes sense is for researchers to find a certain weight range that causes health problems. They haven’t found it. Weight, when controlled for diet, exercise, smoking, etc., makes no difference in a person’s health.

    The economic driver for losing weight is simply that women want to look younger, the same driver as for the cosmetics industry. Women , and men, grow fat cells as they age and there is nothing they can do about it – similar to getting grey hair.

    Another reaon for weight obessession is that being fat is in the zeitgeist as being the bottom rung of the appearance ladder. So people who are thin but bald or short or ugly can have someone to look down upon.

  137. Roxanne Gay, at about 500 pounds, says systemic racism is what makes black women obese

    That plus eating too much food.

  138. @Kratoklastes
    Quetelet was a nutcase who believed that l'homme moyen was the ideal. He also didn't understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    That alone rules out BMI as a useful measure for anyone more than 1sd above or below average height (which is still 5'9", with s.d. of ~3").

    As I've said before, Quetelet's idea of the 'ideal man' being average in all dimensions, would be a fucking disaster in practice... imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.

    For all its manifest, manifold faults, the fact that the current system yields supernormal returns to IQ (up to about 2σ above the mean) is preferable, even though it results in capture by political parasites (IQ ~115-120, but sociopaths)... but that's mostly because people of below +2σ IQ are permitted to be involved in the selection process.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @res, @James J O'Meara, @Mycale, @Philip Neal

    … imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.

    That’s a lot better than where we are headed, as TPTB work to engineer a society driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons, and numerical competence of someone with an IQ of 85.

    See: California trying to eliminate advanced math because students with IQ of 85 just don’t get it.

  139. @Cloudbuster
    @notsaying

    But who would pay to have so many embryos implanted?

    It is my understanding that these fertilization/implantation methods usually involve many embryos because normally most of them fail to implant. You insert a dozen, or whatever, and one implants. But then way out on the tail end of probability you get this lady.

    Replies: @notsaying

    I don’t see how you can put so many into anybody when you don’t know what will happen. Also in Africa I don’t think there is the option of reducing the number of fetuses so the others have a greater chance to live and be normal. I think here in the US the doctors decided to put in fewer and that other countries never put in as many as we did — but my memories of this are going back awhile, to a time when no one in Mali would have gotten infertility treatments, which were only available in rich countries.

    Whatever the truth is here, if any of those kids have disabilities the parents won’t have the resources to get them the help they need. If any doctor put 9 embryos in they were completely unethical. Women are not meant to have litters.

  140. @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have a great idea. Open a vegetarian soul food bistro in an African-American food desert.

    Sell vegetarian pollo frito , French fired pommes de terre, and greens.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Might get some interesting government charity grants. Not such a shabby idea.

  141. @fish
    @Kronos

    Whiskey's greatest fear.....a black guy with the largest testicles ever!

    Replies: @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t want to be in the same time zone if this guy ever busts a nut.

  142. @S. Anonyia
    @Mr. Blank

    Don’t get so defensive about it. You can be both overweight and fit. However it isn’t necessarily great for the cardiovascular system even if it’s aesthetically appealing.

    Normal BMIs don’t look like underwear models or concentration camp victims. They look like the men and women from photos in the 1940s.

    I’m only 10 pounds away from the BMI overweight category despite also having an intensive exercise regimen. However, I don’t think fitness level matters; I lost more weight in Europe simply walking everywhere than from all my running, HIIT, and biking here. We Americans simply don’t walk enough.

    Taking over 10,000 steps a day seems to be ideal.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @The Last Real Calvinist

    This is apparent in Asia, too. It’s countries with cities that are forbidding to walk through with massive car cultures like Malaysia that tend to have obesity problems. That’s not the sole factor, but it’s a huge part of it.

    I lived a much unhealthier lifestyle in SEA than I do now, including binge drinking six packs way too often… yet I didn’t gain flab, partly because I was still in the habit of walking everywhere despite lockdowns. Out here, I’m lifting, I’m being careful with what I eat, I hydrate, I’m avoiding the bottle, I’m hoping to pick up kali or BJJ once lockdowns improve, the works. But I can’t even go to the gym or get groceries without driving, and the impact shows. It’s only now that I’m realizing how much I owed to that habit, and how much you need to consciously exercise the habit of walking whenever possible once your metabolism slows down.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @nebulafox

    The weather is another factor. With HK's brutally hot-n-humid summertime weather kicking in right about now, I have to start cutting down on what I eat. I've learned over the years here that the amount of walking I do will inevitably drop in the summer no matter how hard I try to keep it up, just because it's so rapidly sweaty and unpleasant. I still end up walking quite a lot, out of necessity, but not like in the better weather the rest of the year.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  143. @AnotherDad
    Obesity is bad for you ... women and minorities hardest hit.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    There is such a thing as racial genetics that make a sleek, lithe build impossible: Malays vs. Chinese, for example. And women are always going to have more fat than men, because birth, breasts, etc.

    But there’s a *big* difference between accepting that someone is never going to be skinny, and tolerating obesity.

  144. I can never remember: Is it racist to not adjust medical measures for racial differences, or is it racist to notice race exists (which, of course, it does not)?

    Whites are racist either way. Blacks can declare which choice is appropriate, and they can change their minds at whim. Blacks don’t have to simultaneously agree with each other either, and they can all count as correct even when they say opposite things.

    Woke minds are immune to the hobgoblin of consistency.

  145. Clyde says:
    @Uncle Dan
    @Clyde

    Iodized salt?

    Replies: @Clyde

    You are right. Iodized salt is very common. FWIW–

    Iodized salt in the U.S. contains 45 micrograms of iodine per gram of salt. The recommended daily intake for adults is 150 micrograms, which can be obtained from about one-half to three-quarters of a teaspoon of table salt. Testing of the general population indicates that most Americans consume sufficient levels of iodine through their diets.
    Mayo Clinic Q and A: Sea salt and sufficient iodine intake …

  146. @Morton's toes
    @Anonymous

    https://cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/5502557042001/b37f5120-98ac-46d7-b97d-e9150592f255/d464e5a7-29cd-4515-9e29-597f72047621/1280x720/match/image.jpg

    Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk, @fish, @The Alarmist

    Joe Biden: “Hold my beer … I’ve got a bear to poke for my friends in Kiev.”

  147. @RichardTaylor
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, as you run like a rabbit, forced to White Flight over and over again, I bet your BMI stays in the healthy zone! It's not your fault, it's the anti-White policies used to target a specific group for harm.

    https://www.dailydogstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/dog-chasing-a-rabbit-because-of-its-instinct-to-hunt-prey.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    While you pine for the halcyon days when they couldn’t sit next to you in the diner, but were allowed to “work” in the kitchen. Spitting in the food.

    At least I can feel safe in the eateries around here.

    Nice try, Crow.

    Jim Corvinus.

  148. @Anon
    @Anon

    Overweight/obesity has doubled in the last 40 years. Does that coincide with an iodine cut?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @sayless

    Overweight/obesity has doubled in the last 40 years. Does that coincide with an iodine cut?

    More likely it is following the government prescribed food pyramid, which is rich in carbs (grain) and sugars (fruits, etc.) and moderates on fats and proteins.

    Even the re-designed one is upside down.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @The Alarmist


    More likely it is following the government prescribed food pyramid...
     
    Prescribed by the USDA. Any changes reflect the shifting influence of various sectors of the agricultural and food industries.
  149. @fish
    @Kronos

    Whiskey's greatest fear.....a black guy with the largest testicles ever!

    Replies: @Kronos, @Reg Cæsar

    Whiskey’s greatest fear…..a black guy with the largest testicles ever!

    Are you sure those aren’t basketballs? They look regulation size.

  150. @Neoconned
    I'm a large man who easily can be mistaken for a bouncer or guard of some sort. I won't say BMI is racist but i do think it is flawed as everything from body type to ethnicity to metabolism affects BMI and weight....i can testify from experience what many doctors consider normal weight for my demo is utter nonsense....not even taking into account muscle mass etc

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Same here. Whether it’s a professional weight-guesser at the state fair, a girl I’m dating, or a random black guy in the locker room commenting as I’m about to step on the scale, anyone who guesses my weight is going to be 20 pounds low. The broad shoulders and the huge rib cage make a difference.

    It’s a Neanderthal thing, I suppose.

    • Replies: @new Stalin
    @Ben tillman

    It's a very
    desirable and cool Neanderthal trait, enjoy.

  151. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized."
    This is no longer true, and probably hasn't been true for decades.
    A 26-ounce container of Morton salt found on our kitchen shelf is labeled
    THIS SALT DOES NOT SUPPLY IODINE, A NECESSARY NUTRIENT.
    If anybody knows why salt is no longer iodized, please tell us.

    Replies: @Sparkon, @JMcG

    You have to read the label. Both iodized and non-iodized salt are for sale in most markets.

    I rarely put salt on my food, but I like to have iodized salt on hand for gargling with warm water, which is the first thing to do if you get a tickle in your throat, and a good general practice to promote oral health.

    Reading the label carefully to ensure you’re getting what you want is especially important these days when many items have diet, light, lo-cal, nonfat, flavored, and/or artificially sweetened varieties that have similar packaging to the original plain jane product, but tend to taste like you-know-what.

    The onset of the obesity epidemic correlates well with the introduction of high fructose corn syrup and Aspartame.

    In my youth, my pals and I guzzled sody pop and gobbled candy bars any and every chance we got, and virtually all of us were lean if not skinny by modern standards. Of course, in the summertime, we played sports, ran in the woods, and rode our bikes switching over with the turning seasons to sledding, ice skating, and yes, even playing basketball outside with gloves on, sometimes on top of the snow.

    I caddied, washed cars, ran errands, cut lawns, shoveled sidewalks, cleared snow from cars, and eventually had a newspaper route to be able to buy baseball cards, pea shooters, slingshots, balsa wood gliders, and enjoy an ice-cold Coke and Snickers while reading a Batman comic book!

    And on the weekends, we’d head downtown for a big Saturday afternoon double-feature matinee with cartoons at a big movie palace. Bus fare home was soon sacrificed for another box of popcorn and another grape soda, but walking home from downtown or school was no big deal – ‘did it all the time – and only rarely did we get hauled around.

    These days, when they try to haul ass, it often takes two or more loads.

  152. @Mike Tre
    Carly Stern:

    https://niemanreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CarlyStern.png

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    That visage may cause me to devise a new index: the NMI.

    Nose mass index.

  153. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Almost all salt sold in supermarkets is iodized."
    This is no longer true, and probably hasn't been true for decades.
    A 26-ounce container of Morton salt found on our kitchen shelf is labeled
    THIS SALT DOES NOT SUPPLY IODINE, A NECESSARY NUTRIENT.
    If anybody knows why salt is no longer iodized, please tell us.

    Replies: @Sparkon, @JMcG

    Because all the folks on TV tell us that only Kosher or Sea Salt are to be used with our Extra Virgin Olive Oil. No iodine in either of those.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @JMcG

    I wonder why not. I just bought kosher salt for the first time in years and the lack of iodine does make me uncomfortable. I had already been thinking about how often I should make sure I use regular salt before this discussion of iodine.

    Salt is in all kinds of prepared and canned foods. Do food companies always use iodized salt?

    Replies: @JMcG

  154. @Kratoklastes
    Quetelet was a nutcase who believed that l'homme moyen was the ideal. He also didn't understand the square-cube law that relates changes in surface area and volume that result from a proportional change in every dimension.

    That alone rules out BMI as a useful measure for anyone more than 1sd above or below average height (which is still 5'9", with s.d. of ~3").

    As I've said before, Quetelet's idea of the 'ideal man' being average in all dimensions, would be a fucking disaster in practice... imagine a world driven by the preferences, expectations, time horizons and numerical competency of someone with an IQ of 100.

    For all its manifest, manifold faults, the fact that the current system yields supernormal returns to IQ (up to about 2σ above the mean) is preferable, even though it results in capture by political parasites (IQ ~115-120, but sociopaths)... but that's mostly because people of below +2σ IQ are permitted to be involved in the selection process.

    Replies: @slumber_j, @res, @James J O'Meara, @Mycale, @Philip Neal

    Alternatively, what Plato meant by an Idea, a Platonic form – an ideal man or horse or whatever which you never actually encounter – was the average man/horse/etc. Plato had the concept of things being the same and yet different, and he also had the concept of least squares (which is just the Pythagorean theorem in n-space)), but Quetelet put the two together and Plato did not.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Philip Neal

    In the opening pages of Plato's "Republic," his Socrates character fleetingly brings up Adam Smith's division of labor and even some of David Ricardo's comparative advantage as being obvious. My vague impression is Plato would have done better on economics than Aristotle did, if he'd cared to. Plato was extremely smart, but he didn't always follow up on what we would have liked him to.

  155. @anon
    @AnotherDad

    Serious advice for Carly Stern:

    OK, Boomer!

    Serous advice for Dad - girls like Carly do not read here. Pretending they do is like sitting on the front porch talking to imaginary friends.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yawn. Yet another anonhole.

  156. @The Alarmist
    @Anon


    Overweight/obesity has doubled in the last 40 years. Does that coincide with an iodine cut?
     
    More likely it is following the government prescribed food pyramid, which is rich in carbs (grain) and sugars (fruits, etc.) and moderates on fats and proteins.

    Even the re-designed one is upside down.

    http://www.apsubiology.org/anatomy/2020/2020_Exam_Reviews/Exam_4/Food%20Pyramid.gif

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    More likely it is following the government prescribed food pyramid…

    Prescribed by the USDA. Any changes reflect the shifting influence of various sectors of the agricultural and food industries.

    • Agree: sayless
  157. @James Braxton
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Your joints might not be laughing as you get older.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Your joints might not be laughing as you get older.”

    True. I can always reduce the weights as I get older to reduce joint strain. I limited myself to 225 lb. bench press years ago because joint pressure was intense at 245 and beyond. I’d rather not destroy my wrists and elbows, even as it limits my strength and bulk.

  158. @Philip Neal
    @Kratoklastes

    Alternatively, what Plato meant by an Idea, a Platonic form - an ideal man or horse or whatever which you never actually encounter - was the average man/horse/etc. Plato had the concept of things being the same and yet different, and he also had the concept of least squares (which is just the Pythagorean theorem in n-space)), but Quetelet put the two together and Plato did not.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    In the opening pages of Plato’s “Republic,” his Socrates character fleetingly brings up Adam Smith’s division of labor and even some of David Ricardo’s comparative advantage as being obvious. My vague impression is Plato would have done better on economics than Aristotle did, if he’d cared to. Plato was extremely smart, but he didn’t always follow up on what we would have liked him to.

  159. @AnotherDad
    Serious advice for Carly Stern:

    Despite your Duke degree you are not "well educated" and do not actually know very much about the world, about life. Your journalism, however interesting to you, is not particularly important nor beneficial to the world.

    You are 25ish. You are at the peak of your fertility and will never be more attractive to men than you are now.

    Concentrate on finding a high quality young man who is doing something productive sufficient to support a family--and lock him down. Commit to being a great wife and mother. Have a bunch of children. Bake cookies, be a mom. Nothing you do in life will be anywhere near as important or rewarding. (Hint: The world needs smart children, more than it needs "journalism".)

    If after you're launched the kids to school, you still want to be a journalist ... great. Find an area you are passionate about and become an expert on it. Your journalism will be better having had some actual life experience and being a mom.

    Sincerely, AnotherDad.

    Replies: @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    If after you’re launched the kids to school, you still want to be a journalist … great. Find an area you are passionate about and become an expert on it. Your journalism will be better having had some actual life experience and being a mom.

    It’s hard to reenter the labor force after having been a full-time parent for many years. Employers will discriminate against you.

    The labor force is amazingly competitive these days. So it’s important to go to the right school, get a job quickly after graduation (at a good firm), and climb the career ladder. If you fall off this standard career track, you’ll find it very hard to get back on.

    Being a full-time parent is not a bad thing, but you’ll have to sacrifice your career ambitions.

  160. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    I get the sense that these BMI complaints aren't the sort of cognizable thing where people argue that peak Arnold Schwarzenegger was "obese" and therefore the BMI needs updating, but rather complaints of people who want to pretend that Lizzo is not only beautiful but healthy and normal at her current load.

    Replies: @photondancer

    The fat acceptance movement tried to promote the phrase ‘health at any size’ 10-15 years ago. One doesn’t hear it any more. Maybe too many of its proponents died of heart attacks or diabetes complications.

  161. @Steve Sailer
    @Cortes

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/hospital-slang/

    Replies: @Cortes, @Alfa158, @photondancer

    The ‘donorcycle’ one amused me. I’ve read that motorcycles have been a godsend to research in neuroscience because of all the head injuries.

  162. @Travis
    @AndrewR

    they banned mint flavored e-cigarettes and now they are banning menthol cigarettes while most states are legalizing marijuana candy and vapes. One of the reasons for the rise of obesity and the falling testosterone levels has been the war on nicotine.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Yes, I’m sure all the new pot smokers will be nice and thin, with high T and lots of brainy discoveries.

  163. @JMcG
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Because all the folks on TV tell us that only Kosher or Sea Salt are to be used with our Extra Virgin Olive Oil. No iodine in either of those.

    Replies: @notsaying

    I wonder why not. I just bought kosher salt for the first time in years and the lack of iodine does make me uncomfortable. I had already been thinking about how often I should make sure I use regular salt before this discussion of iodine.

    Salt is in all kinds of prepared and canned foods. Do food companies always use iodized salt?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @notsaying

    That’s something I’ve wondered myself over the years. My wife looks at me like I’m crazy now when I reach past the Malden flakes and go for the Morton’s iodized.

  164. @notsaying
    @JMcG

    I wonder why not. I just bought kosher salt for the first time in years and the lack of iodine does make me uncomfortable. I had already been thinking about how often I should make sure I use regular salt before this discussion of iodine.

    Salt is in all kinds of prepared and canned foods. Do food companies always use iodized salt?

    Replies: @JMcG

    That’s something I’ve wondered myself over the years. My wife looks at me like I’m crazy now when I reach past the Malden flakes and go for the Morton’s iodized.

  165. @S. Anonyia
    @Mr. Blank

    Don’t get so defensive about it. You can be both overweight and fit. However it isn’t necessarily great for the cardiovascular system even if it’s aesthetically appealing.

    Normal BMIs don’t look like underwear models or concentration camp victims. They look like the men and women from photos in the 1940s.

    I’m only 10 pounds away from the BMI overweight category despite also having an intensive exercise regimen. However, I don’t think fitness level matters; I lost more weight in Europe simply walking everywhere than from all my running, HIIT, and biking here. We Americans simply don’t walk enough.

    Taking over 10,000 steps a day seems to be ideal.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Normal BMIs don’t look like underwear models or concentration camp victims. They look like the men and women from photos in the 1940s.

    This is an excellent observation.

    I lost more weight in Europe simply walking everywhere than from all my running, HIIT, and biking here. We Americans simply don’t walk enough.

    We Calvinists don’t own a car; Hong Kong’s public transport is sufficient. But even when you have ubiquitous access to trains/buses/taxis/etc., you still end up walking quite a lot. I am pretty certain that if I didn’t live this way, I’d be significantly overweight, rather than just a bit plump, as I am at the moment.

    Incidentally, I find that the BMI scale works very well for me. I feel best when my weight is around BMI 23, which is right around the middle of the normal range. Alas that these days I am a good 15 pounds away from this.

  166. @nebulafox
    @S. Anonyia

    This is apparent in Asia, too. It's countries with cities that are forbidding to walk through with massive car cultures like Malaysia that tend to have obesity problems. That's not the sole factor, but it's a huge part of it.

    I lived a much unhealthier lifestyle in SEA than I do now, including binge drinking six packs way too often... yet I didn't gain flab, partly because I was still in the habit of walking everywhere despite lockdowns. Out here, I'm lifting, I'm being careful with what I eat, I hydrate, I'm avoiding the bottle, I'm hoping to pick up kali or BJJ once lockdowns improve, the works. But I can't even go to the gym or get groceries without driving, and the impact shows. It's only now that I'm realizing how much I owed to that habit, and how much you need to consciously exercise the habit of walking whenever possible once your metabolism slows down.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The weather is another factor. With HK’s brutally hot-n-humid summertime weather kicking in right about now, I have to start cutting down on what I eat. I’ve learned over the years here that the amount of walking I do will inevitably drop in the summer no matter how hard I try to keep it up, just because it’s so rapidly sweaty and unpleasant. I still end up walking quite a lot, out of necessity, but not like in the better weather the rest of the year.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I suppose I'm lucky in that I don't really "feel" that kind of weather like most people do, at least if I'm walking around. Don't smell sweat, either. I mean, I can, but I have to consciously, intellectually do it.

    Most people aren't that way, obviously. As you probably already know, summer in Singapore doesn't really mean anything-it's wet or dry-hence the ubiquitous mall culture all times of the year. I have noticed a bit of a (predictable) age and country gap: old people and people from 3rd World countries seem to tolerate the weather the best. And like in HK, public transport is the default, which still involves a lot more walking: hence why obesity, though a growing problem, is still pretty easily dealt with.

    Cold, too. One time when I was a kid, I walked to school in a muscle shirt and shorts in well below freezing temperatures, tons of snow on the ground. I was so lazy and easily distracted that I didn't even notice.

    (Re, BMI: I'm the tall, gangly ectomorph type, which is great if you are virtually anything other than a 20-something guy trying to build muscle.)

  167. Rob says:
    @Truth
    @Rob

    What you just did here, Rob, is quite a rare accomplishment.

    You made a six paragraph post in which not one sentence contained an original thought.

    Replies: @Rob, @Gary in Gramercy

    The Truth hurts. Those might not be original thoughts, but they are unsaid in discourse, and are far outside the Overton window. New (or old) ideas add to the options that society has for solving problems.

    ‘Let blacks police blacks’ may not be original, but it is the best solution for how little legitimacy police have within the black community. Many blacks strongly dislike whites, and hate interaction with them. I think letting blacks police themselves in communities where they do not have to deal with whites would be a welcome situation for them.

    Truth, you are a bright guy. What do you think are potential solutions for how much blacks dislike dealing with whites, especially white police, who the pointy end of the spear of white supremacy?

    A lot of black men are in the criminal justice system, wheelchairs, or graves due to black on black violence. Should the ones in prison be there? It seems to me that different countries counties, locales, etc tolerate different levels of crime and social disorder. I think black people should be able to set laws and norms for black communities. Unfortunately, crime is not entirely intraracial. There is spillover of black crime to non-blacks, Because of that spillover, whites think they (whites) should set the rules and system for laws and enforcement, The criminal justice system, though it employees blacks, is a white creation based on white personality distributions and culture, is it acceptable that white institutions have so much power over blacks?

    Do you think all (or most) of the young black men in prison should be there? Do you think white police questioning, fining, ticketing, and arresting black people is acceptable? My understanding is that many cities, especially majority black ones, have chosen to support local government on the income from fines. I do not know if that is the decision of the blacks in power. If it is, then that is ok with me. Different communities have different norms and expect different things from government. Perhaps black cities have noticed that black economic activity is difficult to tax. Perhaps they have discovered that property taxes do not raise enough funds, likely from setting property tax rates along white norms. Blacks are hard on property values, because they have lower average income and whites do not want to live or work around too many blacks. It seems to me black cities should set peoperty taxes in black areas at a higher percentage rate, justified on blacks receiving discounts on the ‘true value’ of their property, caused by white reactions to black behavioral norms. Blacks are receiving more value from their property than is reflected in the assessed value. Regardless, perhaps supporting government off of the fines imposed on black men is the decision of whites in government. Is that acceptable to you? It seems to me that blacks have a different culture, and for whatever reasons, behave differently. I think blacks should set the rules for.black neighborhoods

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Rob

    There is very little intrinsic difference between blacks and whites. The differences are largely artificial and intentionally encouraged over a 400 year period to enrich a small segment.

    Your idea of "having only blacks police blacks" would probably incur many, many whites losing their jobs. If this idea were passed would you volunteer to go to policemen's houses in every major city and tell Sergeant Sullivan that he was fired?

    Replies: @Rob

  168. @Ben tillman
    @Neoconned

    Same here. Whether it’s a professional weight-guesser at the state fair, a girl I’m dating, or a random black guy in the locker room commenting as I’m about to step on the scale, anyone who guesses my weight is going to be 20 pounds low. The broad shoulders and the huge rib cage make a difference.

    It’s a Neanderthal thing, I suppose.

    Replies: @new Stalin

    It’s a very
    desirable and cool Neanderthal trait, enjoy.

  169. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @nebulafox

    The weather is another factor. With HK's brutally hot-n-humid summertime weather kicking in right about now, I have to start cutting down on what I eat. I've learned over the years here that the amount of walking I do will inevitably drop in the summer no matter how hard I try to keep it up, just because it's so rapidly sweaty and unpleasant. I still end up walking quite a lot, out of necessity, but not like in the better weather the rest of the year.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I suppose I’m lucky in that I don’t really “feel” that kind of weather like most people do, at least if I’m walking around. Don’t smell sweat, either. I mean, I can, but I have to consciously, intellectually do it.

    Most people aren’t that way, obviously. As you probably already know, summer in Singapore doesn’t really mean anything-it’s wet or dry-hence the ubiquitous mall culture all times of the year. I have noticed a bit of a (predictable) age and country gap: old people and people from 3rd World countries seem to tolerate the weather the best. And like in HK, public transport is the default, which still involves a lot more walking: hence why obesity, though a growing problem, is still pretty easily dealt with.

    Cold, too. One time when I was a kid, I walked to school in a muscle shirt and shorts in well below freezing temperatures, tons of snow on the ground. I was so lazy and easily distracted that I didn’t even notice.

    (Re, BMI: I’m the tall, gangly ectomorph type, which is great if you are virtually anything other than a 20-something guy trying to build muscle.)

  170. @Truth
    @Rob

    What you just did here, Rob, is quite a rare accomplishment.

    You made a six paragraph post in which not one sentence contained an original thought.

    Replies: @Rob, @Gary in Gramercy

    C’mon, man: “backstopped by the federal government so they don’t start eating each other” is pretty good.

    Agreed, cannibal jokes are somewhat passé and maybe even a bit déclassé — it’s just not considered good form to mention what Those People do when we’re not watching — but Rob slipped that one in there where I wasn’t expecting it. He took a tired old cliché and made it shiny and new again.

    Can you do that, Old Sport?

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  171. @JohnPlywood
    Asians are the only ones whose BMI caculations tend to make them seem underweight, even when they have a higher bodyfat percentage than whites.

    As usual... Didn't see anything about Asians in Steve's excerpts. Because these types of articles always seem to want to ignore the fact that the standards actually imply that Asian women (women of color) are the superior ones.

    It's not just fat... Black and white women have hulking musculature and Terminator exoskeletons weighing them down.

    Replies: @anon

    All reliable stats (online dating etc. Al) show that on the ground, European Males and East Asian Females are the most desirable.

    Boards like this are filled with geeks and incels and cucks like Whiskey so course White Woman Supremacy combined with Negrophila is pushed.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
  172. @Rob
    @Truth

    The Truth hurts. Those might not be original thoughts, but they are unsaid in discourse, and are far outside the Overton window. New (or old) ideas add to the options that society has for solving problems.

    ‘Let blacks police blacks’ may not be original, but it is the best solution for how little legitimacy police have within the black community. Many blacks strongly dislike whites, and hate interaction with them. I think letting blacks police themselves in communities where they do not have to deal with whites would be a welcome situation for them.

    Truth, you are a bright guy. What do you think are potential solutions for how much blacks dislike dealing with whites, especially white police, who the pointy end of the spear of white supremacy?

    A lot of black men are in the criminal justice system, wheelchairs, or graves due to black on black violence. Should the ones in prison be there? It seems to me that different countries counties, locales, etc tolerate different levels of crime and social disorder. I think black people should be able to set laws and norms for black communities. Unfortunately, crime is not entirely intraracial. There is spillover of black crime to non-blacks, Because of that spillover, whites think they (whites) should set the rules and system for laws and enforcement, The criminal justice system, though it employees blacks, is a white creation based on white personality distributions and culture, is it acceptable that white institutions have so much power over blacks?

    Do you think all (or most) of the young black men in prison should be there? Do you think white police questioning, fining, ticketing, and arresting black people is acceptable? My understanding is that many cities, especially majority black ones, have chosen to support local government on the income from fines. I do not know if that is the decision of the blacks in power. If it is, then that is ok with me. Different communities have different norms and expect different things from government. Perhaps black cities have noticed that black economic activity is difficult to tax. Perhaps they have discovered that property taxes do not raise enough funds, likely from setting property tax rates along white norms. Blacks are hard on property values, because they have lower average income and whites do not want to live or work around too many blacks. It seems to me black cities should set peoperty taxes in black areas at a higher percentage rate, justified on blacks receiving discounts on the ‘true value’ of their property, caused by white reactions to black behavioral norms. Blacks are receiving more value from their property than is reflected in the assessed value. Regardless, perhaps supporting government off of the fines imposed on black men is the decision of whites in government. Is that acceptable to you? It seems to me that blacks have a different culture, and for whatever reasons, behave differently. I think blacks should set the rules for.black neighborhoods

    Replies: @Truth

    There is very little intrinsic difference between blacks and whites. The differences are largely artificial and intentionally encouraged over a 400 year period to enrich a small segment.

    Your idea of “having only blacks police blacks” would probably incur many, many whites losing their jobs. If this idea were passed would you volunteer to go to policemen’s houses in every major city and tell Sergeant Sullivan that he was fired?

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Truth

    If cops are as racist as black people say they are, I would have no problem having all the white cops currently policing blacks having to find new jobs. Preferably ones where they neither have authority nor carry guns.

    That someone currently makes their living mistreating others is no reason why they should have that job tomorrow. There are a lot of police who want the job because they like throwing their weight around, being intimidating, and forcing others to bend to their will. I remember being a (white) teenager. Cops were semicivilized to me because I lived in a good neighborhood, and they figured my parents could make trouble for them, if they treated me too badly. Most blacks are not in the position to hire expensive lawyers, don’t have a grandfather who was a judge in that city, and do not trip any empathy wires of ‘this guy is like me’ when dealing with cops.

    I have no doubt that that blacks get the same shit from cops that white people do, just 10 times worse. Neither cops nor judges give them the benefit of the doubt. While black men’s behavior towards cops could change in ways that would make life easier for them, as I understand it, black peopke do not like having to behave ‘respectfully’ towards white in authority. It triggers memories, or memory of stories, from bad times before. I can sympathize. I think that if civic authorities were black, enforcing laws made by blacks, and enforced by blacks, young black guys would have a less oppositional-defiant streak towards law and the society they lived in.

    When I say separation,I do not mean segregation, where blacks were stuck interacting with whites in a subservient position, I mean separation the way, say, France and Germany are separated. When French people are in Germany, they recognize that they are in a foreign place where other people made the rules according to their culture and enforce them to their standards. If a Frenchmen in Germany does not like the Germans, finds German police authoritarian, thinks his German boss discriminates against him, well he can go back to France, where French people make the rules, set the culture, and enforce somewhat (or very different) laws to their (perhaps very different) standards.

    As it stands, black Americans are these Frenchmen, but without France. They do not have a homeland to go back to if they dislike the culture and society in Germany. There is not even one state where they are the majority. In states where they are a large minority, the whites have set up systems, including whites voting as a bloc, where blacks do not have much influence on the laws. There are cities where they are in the majority, sure. But cities are far too tied to the ‘burbs and rural areas for blacks in black cities to be even somewhat independent of white authority. The cops are white, the economy is white, the nice areas of the cities are white...

    Native Americans, while they do not do very well on social indicators, at least have reservations where their relationship with the external nation is defined. While on the reservation, they are pretty much independent of white people. Indians are the government, and community mores are enforced (or not) by Indians. As a result, while Indians are poorer than whites, they have a relationship with whites that is less hostile and confrontational than the one blacks have.

    I want blacks to have the independence from white authority that Indians do. I do not see why that is terrible and racist. As you whites and blacks are not very different. Neither are French and Germans, but they have separate nations, anyway.

    Replies: @res

  173. Rob says:
    @Truth
    @Rob

    There is very little intrinsic difference between blacks and whites. The differences are largely artificial and intentionally encouraged over a 400 year period to enrich a small segment.

    Your idea of "having only blacks police blacks" would probably incur many, many whites losing their jobs. If this idea were passed would you volunteer to go to policemen's houses in every major city and tell Sergeant Sullivan that he was fired?

    Replies: @Rob

    If cops are as racist as black people say they are, I would have no problem having all the white cops currently policing blacks having to find new jobs. Preferably ones where they neither have authority nor carry guns.

    That someone currently makes their living mistreating others is no reason why they should have that job tomorrow. There are a lot of police who want the job because they like throwing their weight around, being intimidating, and forcing others to bend to their will. I remember being a (white) teenager. Cops were semicivilized to me because I lived in a good neighborhood, and they figured my parents could make trouble for them, if they treated me too badly. Most blacks are not in the position to hire expensive lawyers, don’t have a grandfather who was a judge in that city, and do not trip any empathy wires of ‘this guy is like me’ when dealing with cops.

    I have no doubt that that blacks get the same shit from cops that white people do, just 10 times worse. Neither cops nor judges give them the benefit of the doubt. While black men’s behavior towards cops could change in ways that would make life easier for them, as I understand it, black peopke do not like having to behave ‘respectfully’ towards white in authority. It triggers memories, or memory of stories, from bad times before. I can sympathize. I think that if civic authorities were black, enforcing laws made by blacks, and enforced by blacks, young black guys would have a less oppositional-defiant streak towards law and the society they lived in.

    When I say separation,I do not mean segregation, where blacks were stuck interacting with whites in a subservient position, I mean separation the way, say, France and Germany are separated. When French people are in Germany, they recognize that they are in a foreign place where other people made the rules according to their culture and enforce them to their standards. If a Frenchmen in Germany does not like the Germans, finds German police authoritarian, thinks his German boss discriminates against him, well he can go back to France, where French people make the rules, set the culture, and enforce somewhat (or very different) laws to their (perhaps very different) standards.

    As it stands, black Americans are these Frenchmen, but without France. They do not have a homeland to go back to if they dislike the culture and society in Germany. There is not even one state where they are the majority. In states where they are a large minority, the whites have set up systems, including whites voting as a bloc, where blacks do not have much influence on the laws. There are cities where they are in the majority, sure. But cities are far too tied to the ‘burbs and rural areas for blacks in black cities to be even somewhat independent of white authority. The cops are white, the economy is white, the nice areas of the cities are white…

    Native Americans, while they do not do very well on social indicators, at least have reservations where their relationship with the external nation is defined. While on the reservation, they are pretty much independent of white people. Indians are the government, and community mores are enforced (or not) by Indians. As a result, while Indians are poorer than whites, they have a relationship with whites that is less hostile and confrontational than the one blacks have.

    I want blacks to have the independence from white authority that Indians do. I do not see why that is terrible and racist. As you whites and blacks are not very different. Neither are French and Germans, but they have separate nations, anyway.

    • Replies: @res
    @Rob


    When I say separation,I do not mean segregation, where blacks were stuck interacting with whites in a subservient position, I mean separation the way, say, France and Germany are separated. When French people are in Germany, they recognize that they are in a foreign place where other people made the rules according to their culture and enforce them to their standards. If a Frenchmen in Germany does not like the Germans, finds German police authoritarian, thinks his German boss discriminates against him, well he can go back to France, where French people make the rules, set the culture, and enforce somewhat (or very different) laws to their (perhaps very different) standards.
     
    I like this formulation. Thanks!
  174. @Anon
    @Anon

    Overweight/obesity has doubled in the last 40 years. Does that coincide with an iodine cut?

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @sayless

    Don’t know about iodine, but increased obesity is probably related in part to that ignorant Department of Agriculture food pyramid from the seventies that had grains and pasta and cereals at the base and about a teaspoon of oils at the apex. Fat sates the appetite.

    That’s why Michelle’s lunch campaign was hated by the kids. They were growing, hungry.

    Another cause is probably also the poor quality of the food available. Pears that go from rock-hard to rotten, all that. My sister tried to repatriate several years ago, and she said that one of the hardest things about it was coping with the bad food.

    Empty calories, therefore craving.

  175. BMI highlights how both sides of the race debate talk past each by showing how hard it is for normal people to understand the underlying mathematical concepts.

    BMI is a population level statistic. To blindly apply BMI to each member of the population is a logical fallacy, the fallacy of division. It might be reasonable, given suitable conditions on homogeneity, but becomes immediately suspect where we have distinct subgroups. The homogeneity of the group can be measured empirically.

    Sociology has typically found value in subgroups where the subgroup accounts for about 10% of the variation. That’s often a fairly weak effect, but the correlations with subgroup provide information that is often useful.

    The flip side of this is the fallacy of composition, assuming that attributes of a group member apply to the entire group. Because one black child has sickle cell, or a white child has cystic fibrosis, doesn’t imply all children of that race have the condition. There is a group tendency, but that information is probabilistic, not deterministic for the individual. This is the sort of information insurance actuaries rely up upon when setting rates.

    • Replies: @photondancer
    @Dr. DoomNGloom

    People who've actually read something about BMI know this. I have never seen any medical person or dietitian claim otherwise. Now, if we could just get muckraking 'journalists' to do so, but then of course she wouldn't have had her 'BMI be raciss' headline.

  176. BMI nothing! When at Walmart one can see porkers whose buttocks are as wide as a small truck, always. When you see the Uber porkers riding those electric carts and their buttock cheeks hang over the sides of the cart, BMI doesn’t matter. A cow is a cow and a hog is a hog. Amazingly you see such people paying for their groceries with an EBT card! Could it be that free food, not working and sitting on your assets causes uber porkerisim? Sometimes it’s all I can do to refrain from hollering “Soooooie hog”, seeing such Walmart shoppers. How do you allow yourself to grow buttocks the width of a truck? Don’t these people ever look in a mirror?

  177. People of color make up 40 percent of the U.S. population, and research has shown that Black and White people tend to have different body compositions.

    How is that result possible when race is a social construct and doing cranial measurements and the like is pseudoscience?

  178. res says:
    @Rob
    @Truth

    If cops are as racist as black people say they are, I would have no problem having all the white cops currently policing blacks having to find new jobs. Preferably ones where they neither have authority nor carry guns.

    That someone currently makes their living mistreating others is no reason why they should have that job tomorrow. There are a lot of police who want the job because they like throwing their weight around, being intimidating, and forcing others to bend to their will. I remember being a (white) teenager. Cops were semicivilized to me because I lived in a good neighborhood, and they figured my parents could make trouble for them, if they treated me too badly. Most blacks are not in the position to hire expensive lawyers, don’t have a grandfather who was a judge in that city, and do not trip any empathy wires of ‘this guy is like me’ when dealing with cops.

    I have no doubt that that blacks get the same shit from cops that white people do, just 10 times worse. Neither cops nor judges give them the benefit of the doubt. While black men’s behavior towards cops could change in ways that would make life easier for them, as I understand it, black peopke do not like having to behave ‘respectfully’ towards white in authority. It triggers memories, or memory of stories, from bad times before. I can sympathize. I think that if civic authorities were black, enforcing laws made by blacks, and enforced by blacks, young black guys would have a less oppositional-defiant streak towards law and the society they lived in.

    When I say separation,I do not mean segregation, where blacks were stuck interacting with whites in a subservient position, I mean separation the way, say, France and Germany are separated. When French people are in Germany, they recognize that they are in a foreign place where other people made the rules according to their culture and enforce them to their standards. If a Frenchmen in Germany does not like the Germans, finds German police authoritarian, thinks his German boss discriminates against him, well he can go back to France, where French people make the rules, set the culture, and enforce somewhat (or very different) laws to their (perhaps very different) standards.

    As it stands, black Americans are these Frenchmen, but without France. They do not have a homeland to go back to if they dislike the culture and society in Germany. There is not even one state where they are the majority. In states where they are a large minority, the whites have set up systems, including whites voting as a bloc, where blacks do not have much influence on the laws. There are cities where they are in the majority, sure. But cities are far too tied to the ‘burbs and rural areas for blacks in black cities to be even somewhat independent of white authority. The cops are white, the economy is white, the nice areas of the cities are white...

    Native Americans, while they do not do very well on social indicators, at least have reservations where their relationship with the external nation is defined. While on the reservation, they are pretty much independent of white people. Indians are the government, and community mores are enforced (or not) by Indians. As a result, while Indians are poorer than whites, they have a relationship with whites that is less hostile and confrontational than the one blacks have.

    I want blacks to have the independence from white authority that Indians do. I do not see why that is terrible and racist. As you whites and blacks are not very different. Neither are French and Germans, but they have separate nations, anyway.

    Replies: @res

    When I say separation,I do not mean segregation, where blacks were stuck interacting with whites in a subservient position, I mean separation the way, say, France and Germany are separated. When French people are in Germany, they recognize that they are in a foreign place where other people made the rules according to their culture and enforce them to their standards. If a Frenchmen in Germany does not like the Germans, finds German police authoritarian, thinks his German boss discriminates against him, well he can go back to France, where French people make the rules, set the culture, and enforce somewhat (or very different) laws to their (perhaps very different) standards.

    I like this formulation. Thanks!

  179. @Dr. DoomNGloom
    BMI highlights how both sides of the race debate talk past each by showing how hard it is for normal people to understand the underlying mathematical concepts.

    BMI is a population level statistic. To blindly apply BMI to each member of the population is a logical fallacy, the fallacy of division. It might be reasonable, given suitable conditions on homogeneity, but becomes immediately suspect where we have distinct subgroups. The homogeneity of the group can be measured empirically.

    Sociology has typically found value in subgroups where the subgroup accounts for about 10% of the variation. That's often a fairly weak effect, but the correlations with subgroup provide information that is often useful.

    The flip side of this is the fallacy of composition, assuming that attributes of a group member apply to the entire group. Because one black child has sickle cell, or a white child has cystic fibrosis, doesn't imply all children of that race have the condition. There is a group tendency, but that information is probabilistic, not deterministic for the individual. This is the sort of information insurance actuaries rely up upon when setting rates.

    Replies: @photondancer

    People who’ve actually read something about BMI know this. I have never seen any medical person or dietitian claim otherwise. Now, if we could just get muckraking ‘journalists’ to do so, but then of course she wouldn’t have had her ‘BMI be raciss’ headline.

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