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  1. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don’t. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Anon

    But we still shouldn't have invaded (nor invited): America first! https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/jqadams.htm

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

    , @Not Raul
    @Anon

    The Iraq War destroyed Iraq’s Christian community. It’s much smaller now than it was back then. Before the invasion, the second in command after Saddam, Tariq Aziz, was Christian. Bush and the Neocons deserve your hate, not Iraqis who saw their classmates get slaughtered.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon


    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.
     
    What "liberality and conscientiousness?" Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our "humanitarian" sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U

    The shoe thrower's words.

    "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog," yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. "This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq," he shouted as he threw his second shoe."

     

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.
     
    The "White man" doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn't care less about what happens overseas. That's why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the "White man" mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That's what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That's literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people "feel bad" about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie "American Sniper?" The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99k3u9ay1gs

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons ("weapons of mass destruction"). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims "evil" for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their "conscience" over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn't much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    , @Wilkey
    @Anon


    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities
     
    It goes even further than being blamed for belonging to the same group.

    White Americans are guilty of slavery - even those white Americans descended from Northerners who fought to end it.

    White Christians are guilty of the Holocaust, even the white Christians from countries that fought against Germany. You lost a grandfather and two great uncles in World War 2 fighting Hitler? That’s no defense, you anti-Semite.

    Sending out troops in to fight for other people’s lives and freedom is a suckers game, especially if those other people aren’t white and Christian. We will spend copious amounts of money, seldom succeed, get blamed for anything that goes wrong, and be forced to admit millions of people who should still be living in the country we rescued. Invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world, indeed.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @ATBOTL
    @Anon

    White Americans should feel guilty for murdering Iraqis on behalf of Israel. They are guilty.

    , @Emblematic
    @Anon

    You think the Iraq War was done for liberality and conscientiousness?

    So it wasn't a crime, justified by lies and fabrications, carried out for the benefit of Israel?

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @but an humble craftsman
    @Anon

    What massacres do you think would occur in the US if a foreign military force squashed your military and your police and your administrative bodies without bothering to put anything in their place?

    Shame on you for destroying a functioning state and then blaming all citizens for the hell you set loose.

    , @El Dato
    @Anon

    Taliban were not in Iraq and are a 100% Saudi-CIA production.

  2. There’s a joke there even though it’s sad.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @BB753

    You mean A-10 Warthog go Brrr?

    https://youtu.be/1GYsN6zVwEk

    (F-35 is a polished golden turd.)

  3. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    But we still shouldn’t have invaded (nor invited): America first! https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/jqadams.htm

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

  4. Have any of these supposed “Iraqi students” told teach that they are dropping out and returning to their (now safe) homeland? No one is forcing them to stay here.

    Also, teach here hasn’t bothered to do the most basic research on her hated F35s. They weren’t even “rolled out” for use until 2006. So how could these aircraft killed half of anyone’s preschool class?
    Answer: impossible.

    Most modern air ordnance from the US is dropped/shot from high speed and high altitude with precision guided controls. While it is possible they could miss the intended target, no pre schools were on the target list. Since the Iraqi ISIS and related groups had no aircraft, and ours made little discernable noise at ground level these alleged pre schoolers wouldn’t have heard anything prior to this fictional attack. Until the first explosion you have no idea. Answer: there was no pre school massacre.

    She refers to “her hands” but then says (plural) Iraqi students get up to leave when hearing high altitude jet noise. So how many students are supposedly bothered by this? Were they all in the same “attacked” pre school? Twins? Again, more improbable narrative.

    Individual facts can be mis-remembered. But this has numerous indicators of falsity. So either the students are leaving class to cheat, smoke, goof off, nap, etc. or teach here is just another SJW liar. Or just a failed propaganda fabulist too stupid to deserve anything other than contempt.

    But she’s a tireless Twitter warrior, and I’m sure her lies terrify gullible low IQ readers.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Muggles

    If you think that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance, Ali Abbas might beg to disagree.

    Replies: @Muggles

    , @Alden
    @Muggles

    Do they even have pre school in Iraq?

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Muggles

    Here's footage of what America did in Iraq.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yr-LaMhvro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxgaYlkC2do

    Even the name of our bombing campaign ("Shock and Awe") was meant to turn the war into entertainment for the American masses. The fact is that most Americans find this type of stuff to be "cool," like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. So putting out this video and giving it an "awesome name" is an effective way to build public support.

    Plenty of Iraqi children have been killed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSe5QidAI3s

    Our leaders (being full of "White guilt") hand wave these casualties away as "collateral damage."

    When the number of casualties gets too large, our leaders attack the patriotism and integrity of anyone who brings up inconvenient facts (like the Lancet). They then whitewash out these inconvenient facts, like the govt from 1984.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    , @anonymous
    @Muggles

    Your comment suggests that you were over there at the time, helping Uncle Sam bring the freedom with both barrels. Or maybe you're just an armchair warrior, the type of American who gets off on "our" aircraft and ordnance. Either way, I concede your relative expertise.

    Honestly, though, did you not realize as you wrote all this


    She refers to “her hands” but then says (plural) Iraqi students get up to leave when hearing high altitude jet noise. So how many students are supposedly bothered by this? Were they all in the same “attacked” pre school? Twins? Again, more improbable narrative.
     
    that she simply omitted the apostrophe in "my Iraqi student's hands"?

    Every decent person would hope that "there was no pre school massacre." But it's hard to draw a moral distinction between that target and, say, a wedding party or teenage boys like Abdulrahman al-Awkaki sitting in a cafe.

  5. That tweet proves how degenerate our society is. In the good old days, that girl would have been war booty, and her opinion wouldn’t have mattered, as it shouldn’t.

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Redneck farmer

    In the old days, carpet-bombs would’ve made sure no preschoolers would’ve made it out alive.

    https://youtu.be/1QUYgJrDkEU

    (“Shiny bellies” really?)

  6. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    The Iraq War destroyed Iraq’s Christian community. It’s much smaller now than it was back then. Before the invasion, the second in command after Saddam, Tariq Aziz, was Christian. Bush and the Neocons deserve your hate, not Iraqis who saw their classmates get slaughtered.

    • Agree: El Dato, Kyle
  7. Sometimes that hopelessness comes from the F35s that you fly RIGHT over the community college where I work, so I see my Iraqi students hands start shaking and see her have to leave the room, because you killed half her preschool class in 2003 and the sound brings her back there.

    But on the other hand, she now has the freedom to get tattooed, become an amateur porn actress, and go out to a slut-walk or a pu**y-demonstration to protest her objectification by the patriarchy.

    So there’s that.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Mr. Anon


    But on the other hand, she now has the freedom to get tattooed, become an amateur porn actress, and go out to a slut-walk or a pu**y-demonstration to protest her objectification by the patriarchy.
     
    I now declare this the official iSteve Mia Khalifa comment thread.
    , @Oikeamielinen
    @Mr. Anon

    An excellent comment.

  8. @Muggles
    Have any of these supposed "Iraqi students" told teach that they are dropping out and returning to their (now safe) homeland? No one is forcing them to stay here.

    Also, teach here hasn't bothered to do the most basic research on her hated F35s. They weren't even "rolled out" for use until 2006. So how could these aircraft killed half of anyone's preschool class?
    Answer: impossible.

    Most modern air ordnance from the US is dropped/shot from high speed and high altitude with precision guided controls. While it is possible they could miss the intended target, no pre schools were on the target list. Since the Iraqi ISIS and related groups had no aircraft, and ours made little discernable noise at ground level these alleged pre schoolers wouldn't have heard anything prior to this fictional attack. Until the first explosion you have no idea. Answer: there was no pre school massacre.

    She refers to "her hands" but then says (plural) Iraqi students get up to leave when hearing high altitude jet noise. So how many students are supposedly bothered by this? Were they all in the same "attacked" pre school? Twins? Again, more improbable narrative.

    Individual facts can be mis-remembered. But this has numerous indicators of falsity. So either the students are leaving class to cheat, smoke, goof off, nap, etc. or teach here is just another SJW liar. Or just a failed propaganda fabulist too stupid to deserve anything other than contempt.

    But she's a tireless Twitter warrior, and I'm sure her lies terrify gullible low IQ readers.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @anonymous

    If you think that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance, Ali Abbas might beg to disagree.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Not Raul

    >>If you think that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance<<

    Sad to say this seems to be a classic Straw Man argument.

    I never wrote that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance. Why would I?

    But it is far easier for Not Raul to invent some counter argument claim than to address my original remarks. That this Tweet by teacher is based on imaginary events.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Mr. Anon

  9. “I see my Iraqi students hands ”

    It sure didn’t stop them from coming here. They have to go back. And fire SecDef Esper.

    • Agree: Nathan
  10. I see my Iraqi students hands start shaking and see her have to leave the room,

    What? She didn’t say “Hands up, don’t shoot!” on the way out the door?

    lol fake story.

    • Agree: Charon
  11. Another thing, pre-school was not really much of a thing in Saddam’s Iraq. Children stay with their families.

  12. @Not Raul
    @Muggles

    If you think that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance, Ali Abbas might beg to disagree.

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>If you think that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance<<

    Sad to say this seems to be a classic Straw Man argument.

    I never wrote that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance. Why would I?

    But it is far easier for Not Raul to invent some counter argument claim than to address my original remarks. That this Tweet by teacher is based on imaginary events.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Muggles

    I’m pretty sure that there were a lot of Iraqi children who didn’t have to imagine the effect of American ordinance.

    So what if not everyone can tell the difference between a F-18 and a F-35.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Muggles


    I never wrote that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance. Why would I?
     
    How many dead Iraqi children are acceptable to you? Can you hang a number on that?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  13. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.

    What “liberality and conscientiousness?” Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our “humanitarian” sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    The shoe thrower’s words.

    “This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog,” yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. “This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq,” he shouted as he threw his second shoe.”

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    The “White man” doesn’t give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn’t care less about what happens overseas. That’s why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the “White man” mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That’s what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That’s literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people “feel bad” about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie “American Sniper?” The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons (“weapons of mass destruction”). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims “evil” for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their “conscience” over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn’t much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123


    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees.
     
    Iran was actually doing a pretty efficient job of this before we got involved.

    Way back during the 1990s, our “humanitarian” sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.
     
    Wasn't keeping those evil Jewish vaccines out of their bloodstreams a feature rather than a bug?
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The “White man” doesn’t give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?
     
    Uh, I was against the Iraq and Afghanistan forever wars from day one.

    If we assume the official 9/11 story is true, the proper response would have been a Spec Ops snatch and grab to bring Osama bin Laden to the US for trial and public execution.

    Sadly I could not have prevented these wars since I'm just some crank on the Internet that makes an okay living, rather than the Leader of the Free World.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @AnotherDad
    @JohnnyWalker123


    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war.
     
    No. America killed maybe 20-30,000 Iraqis.

    The rest were killed by Epstein.
    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You knhow, after awhile the effect of hatemail and "poor me" sort of reverses.

    The invasion of Iraq cost a lot of US money and casualties, mostly from IEDs, human bombs, and other such treachery. It wasn't supposed to - - in theory, after the defeat of the Iraqi Army the country should have been peaceful and the new government set things up along more productive lines than S. Hussein had. Didn't happen, of course. Turns out a dictator/secret police with Sunni dominance had been stabilizing Iraq, which proceeded to blow apart into different murderous sects, while the US idiotically tried to substitute for the now gone S. Hussein government. Lots of US citizens died, lots of them were crippled. I worked with one once, neurological damage he didn't even realize he had and crippled as well.

    And now we get this letter from you, unchanged, unable to talk except in terms of hatred and irredentism and "I'm your enemy for life" and "you're scum". Looks like you haven't changed -- still blowing every chance you ever had by trying to be a second Mohamed. Wasn't once enough?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What would happen if a campain led by anti-imperialists were to talk to catholic and protestant church-goers about US military intervention and its cost in innocent life in the same way that the anti-abortion movement does. Actually ask these people to ask themselves how moral it is to support a war machine that lays waste to whole countries and kills thousands of children.

    , @Old Prude
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Mrs. Prude's reaction to American Sniper was the same as mine: Why in the hell are we over in that sh*thole? What a waste...

  14. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities

    It goes even further than being blamed for belonging to the same group.

    White Americans are guilty of slavery – even those white Americans descended from Northerners who fought to end it.

    White Christians are guilty of the Holocaust, even the white Christians from countries that fought against Germany. You lost a grandfather and two great uncles in World War 2 fighting Hitler? That’s no defense, you anti-Semite.

    Sending out troops in to fight for other people’s lives and freedom is a suckers game, especially if those other people aren’t white and Christian. We will spend copious amounts of money, seldom succeed, get blamed for anything that goes wrong, and be forced to admit millions of people who should still be living in the country we rescued. Invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world, indeed.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey


    Sending out troops in to fight for other people’s lives and freedom is a suckers game
     
    When the govt wants to get the population psyched up for a foreign war, they don't bring up humanitarian stuff. They bring up all the "cool" destruction that we're going to inflict on the enemy "rogue nation."

    Listen to all the cheering that happens when Ted Cruz said he wants to bomb Iraq and find out "if sand can glow in the dark."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRyBAURKuc

    The cheering when Trump says he'll "bomb the sh*t outta ISIS."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_35yJpVyAA

    McCain singing "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7s5pT3Rris

    Americans absolutely love when their leaders call for bombing foreign countries. They think it's "cool."

    Do you know what Americans hate?

    Foreign aid.

    According to polls, foreign aid (which accounts for only 1% of the US budget) is the only item that a large proportion of the public wants to cut. They want to protect everything else.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/poll-most-only-want-foreign-aid-cuts-087948

    https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/press-release/poll-americans-support-foreign-aid-oppose-paying-it

    If you want to start a war overseas, you don't appeal the humanitarianism of Americans. You appeal to their bloodthirstiness.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure America's leaders don't send the troops overseas to "fight for other people’s lives and freedom." Unless by "other people," you mean Israel.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Rob McX

  15. @Muggles
    Have any of these supposed "Iraqi students" told teach that they are dropping out and returning to their (now safe) homeland? No one is forcing them to stay here.

    Also, teach here hasn't bothered to do the most basic research on her hated F35s. They weren't even "rolled out" for use until 2006. So how could these aircraft killed half of anyone's preschool class?
    Answer: impossible.

    Most modern air ordnance from the US is dropped/shot from high speed and high altitude with precision guided controls. While it is possible they could miss the intended target, no pre schools were on the target list. Since the Iraqi ISIS and related groups had no aircraft, and ours made little discernable noise at ground level these alleged pre schoolers wouldn't have heard anything prior to this fictional attack. Until the first explosion you have no idea. Answer: there was no pre school massacre.

    She refers to "her hands" but then says (plural) Iraqi students get up to leave when hearing high altitude jet noise. So how many students are supposedly bothered by this? Were they all in the same "attacked" pre school? Twins? Again, more improbable narrative.

    Individual facts can be mis-remembered. But this has numerous indicators of falsity. So either the students are leaving class to cheat, smoke, goof off, nap, etc. or teach here is just another SJW liar. Or just a failed propaganda fabulist too stupid to deserve anything other than contempt.

    But she's a tireless Twitter warrior, and I'm sure her lies terrify gullible low IQ readers.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @anonymous

    Do they even have pre school in Iraq?

  16. Pilgrims, you all need to start thinking about carving up your own country, just like Muslims did out of India once the British left, you owe it to your future generations to leave them a piece of land that they can live off without being hounded every day. Pakistan may not have turned out to be the next Switzerland, but Muslims are not getting killed in riots every day there. For the first 50 years India survived as a secular democracy where Muslims were able to get by with their regular lives, but that will not be possible in the future decades once the Hindu right has formally established itself in power.

    This guy had the foresight to predict India off the future where Muslim minority would be hounded by a radicalized Hindu majority, who is going to be your version of him?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Indocon

    You're an idiot.

    In India, it's the Muslims who hound the Hindus.

    In Pakistan, Muslims die daily from Sunni-Shiite clashes.

  17. @Muggles
    Have any of these supposed "Iraqi students" told teach that they are dropping out and returning to their (now safe) homeland? No one is forcing them to stay here.

    Also, teach here hasn't bothered to do the most basic research on her hated F35s. They weren't even "rolled out" for use until 2006. So how could these aircraft killed half of anyone's preschool class?
    Answer: impossible.

    Most modern air ordnance from the US is dropped/shot from high speed and high altitude with precision guided controls. While it is possible they could miss the intended target, no pre schools were on the target list. Since the Iraqi ISIS and related groups had no aircraft, and ours made little discernable noise at ground level these alleged pre schoolers wouldn't have heard anything prior to this fictional attack. Until the first explosion you have no idea. Answer: there was no pre school massacre.

    She refers to "her hands" but then says (plural) Iraqi students get up to leave when hearing high altitude jet noise. So how many students are supposedly bothered by this? Were they all in the same "attacked" pre school? Twins? Again, more improbable narrative.

    Individual facts can be mis-remembered. But this has numerous indicators of falsity. So either the students are leaving class to cheat, smoke, goof off, nap, etc. or teach here is just another SJW liar. Or just a failed propaganda fabulist too stupid to deserve anything other than contempt.

    But she's a tireless Twitter warrior, and I'm sure her lies terrify gullible low IQ readers.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @anonymous

    Here’s footage of what America did in Iraq.

    Even the name of our bombing campaign (“Shock and Awe”) was meant to turn the war into entertainment for the American masses. The fact is that most Americans find this type of stuff to be “cool,” like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. So putting out this video and giving it an “awesome name” is an effective way to build public support.

    Plenty of Iraqi children have been killed.

    Our leaders (being full of “White guilt”) hand wave these casualties away as “collateral damage.”

    When the number of casualties gets too large, our leaders attack the patriotism and integrity of anyone who brings up inconvenient facts (like the Lancet). They then whitewash out these inconvenient facts, like the govt from 1984.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The fact is that most Americans find this type of stuff to be “cool,” like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
     
    Or a Roosevelt-Truman Administration. That's where it began.
    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    When the number of casualties gets too large, our leaders attack the patriotism and integrity of anyone who brings up inconvenient facts (like the Lancet). They then whitewash out these inconvenient facts, like the govt from 1984.
     
    You say "our leaders", but context says you mean "your leaders". You're as bad as the JohnyWalker123, except that you're trying to imitate Lenin rather than Mohamed.

    You know, rabid attacks get old. After awhile, you're just one more enemy.
    , @JMcG
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A turning point in my attitude to our nation’s wars came when I read something Exupery wrote in one of his books when I was a young man. From memory, so not an exact quote, but he wrote that we must never forget that the black smoke we see rising from bombed cities in newsreels is, in part, made up of the burning bodies of dead children. I’ve never forgotten that. No war in my lifetime has been worth killing kids over.
    However, the article in the Lancet was bilge. If the same sort of people who tell me that only 25,000 were killed at Dresden then turn around and say that 600,000 were killed in Iraq, it’s clearly not a matter of reporting the truth. It’s an agenda. Those same folks were utterly silent during the eight years of the Obama administration while the drone strikes on wedding parties continued unabated.

    That new warhead we have that kills kinetically rather than explosively seems a step in the right direction. The F16 pilot or drone operator that puts a conventional bomb into a marketplace to kill a bad guy is little different than the murdering bastards in the IRA who blew little kids and their mothers to pieces in the Omagh atrocity, to name just one.
    We really need to get every single soldier and airman back within our borders and decimate the military budget.

  18. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon


    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.
     
    What "liberality and conscientiousness?" Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our "humanitarian" sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U

    The shoe thrower's words.

    "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog," yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. "This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq," he shouted as he threw his second shoe."

     

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.
     
    The "White man" doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn't care less about what happens overseas. That's why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the "White man" mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That's what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That's literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people "feel bad" about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie "American Sniper?" The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99k3u9ay1gs

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons ("weapons of mass destruction"). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims "evil" for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their "conscience" over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn't much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees.

    Iran was actually doing a pretty efficient job of this before we got involved.

    Way back during the 1990s, our “humanitarian” sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Wasn’t keeping those evil Jewish vaccines out of their bloodstreams a feature rather than a bug?

  19. @Mr. Anon

    Sometimes that hopelessness comes from the F35s that you fly RIGHT over the community college where I work, so I see my Iraqi students hands start shaking and see her have to leave the room, because you killed half her preschool class in 2003 and the sound brings her back there.
     
    But on the other hand, she now has the freedom to get tattooed, become an amateur porn actress, and go out to a slut-walk or a pu**y-demonstration to protest her objectification by the patriarchy.

    So there's that.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Oikeamielinen

    But on the other hand, she now has the freedom to get tattooed, become an amateur porn actress, and go out to a slut-walk or a pu**y-demonstration to protest her objectification by the patriarchy.

    I now declare this the official iSteve Mia Khalifa comment thread.

  20. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Muggles

    Here's footage of what America did in Iraq.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yr-LaMhvro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxgaYlkC2do

    Even the name of our bombing campaign ("Shock and Awe") was meant to turn the war into entertainment for the American masses. The fact is that most Americans find this type of stuff to be "cool," like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. So putting out this video and giving it an "awesome name" is an effective way to build public support.

    Plenty of Iraqi children have been killed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSe5QidAI3s

    Our leaders (being full of "White guilt") hand wave these casualties away as "collateral damage."

    When the number of casualties gets too large, our leaders attack the patriotism and integrity of anyone who brings up inconvenient facts (like the Lancet). They then whitewash out these inconvenient facts, like the govt from 1984.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    The fact is that most Americans find this type of stuff to be “cool,” like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.

    Or a Roosevelt-Truman Administration. That’s where it began.

  21. @Wilkey
    @Anon


    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities
     
    It goes even further than being blamed for belonging to the same group.

    White Americans are guilty of slavery - even those white Americans descended from Northerners who fought to end it.

    White Christians are guilty of the Holocaust, even the white Christians from countries that fought against Germany. You lost a grandfather and two great uncles in World War 2 fighting Hitler? That’s no defense, you anti-Semite.

    Sending out troops in to fight for other people’s lives and freedom is a suckers game, especially if those other people aren’t white and Christian. We will spend copious amounts of money, seldom succeed, get blamed for anything that goes wrong, and be forced to admit millions of people who should still be living in the country we rescued. Invade the world, invite the world, in hock to the world, indeed.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Sending out troops in to fight for other people’s lives and freedom is a suckers game

    When the govt wants to get the population psyched up for a foreign war, they don’t bring up humanitarian stuff. They bring up all the “cool” destruction that we’re going to inflict on the enemy “rogue nation.”

    Listen to all the cheering that happens when Ted Cruz said he wants to bomb Iraq and find out “if sand can glow in the dark.”

    The cheering when Trump says he’ll “bomb the sh*t outta ISIS.”

    McCain singing “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran” to the tune of “Barbara Ann.”

    Americans absolutely love when their leaders call for bombing foreign countries. They think it’s “cool.”

    Do you know what Americans hate?

    Foreign aid.

    According to polls, foreign aid (which accounts for only 1% of the US budget) is the only item that a large proportion of the public wants to cut. They want to protect everything else.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/poll-most-only-want-foreign-aid-cuts-087948

    https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/press-release/poll-americans-support-foreign-aid-oppose-paying-it

    If you want to start a war overseas, you don’t appeal the humanitarianism of Americans. You appeal to their bloodthirstiness.

    By the way, I’m pretty sure America’s leaders don’t send the troops overseas to “fight for other people’s lives and freedom.” Unless by “other people,” you mean Israel.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's not just us who hate foreign aid. Foreigners—at least the ones not on the take themselves—don't like it that much either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dambisa_Moyo

    I have some bones to pick with the methodology and conclusions of the Lancet study you prominently cite. But, I agree with your larger point.

    Speaking of larger points, before this thread dissipates into another Iraq War rehash, maybe we can get back to the multilayered irony of Steve's original headline?

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Rob McX
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In addition to that, there's the fact that every US intervention in the Middle East generates a flood of refugees and pseudo-refugees into white countries. There might be some advantage to invading countries if it made the inhabitants fear or respect America, and be less likely to commit terrorist attacks. On the contrary, it only makes them despise it. Even the most uneducated Middle Easterner can see that the US is wasting trillions of dollars on wars that are not in its own interests. Next to immigration, foreign wars are the most disastrous policy of America's rulers.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon


    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.
     
    What "liberality and conscientiousness?" Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our "humanitarian" sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U

    The shoe thrower's words.

    "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog," yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. "This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq," he shouted as he threw his second shoe."

     

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.
     
    The "White man" doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn't care less about what happens overseas. That's why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the "White man" mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That's what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That's literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people "feel bad" about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie "American Sniper?" The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99k3u9ay1gs

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons ("weapons of mass destruction"). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims "evil" for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their "conscience" over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn't much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    The “White man” doesn’t give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    Uh, I was against the Iraq and Afghanistan forever wars from day one.

    If we assume the official 9/11 story is true, the proper response would have been a Spec Ops snatch and grab to bring Osama bin Laden to the US for trial and public execution.

    Sadly I could not have prevented these wars since I’m just some crank on the Internet that makes an okay living, rather than the Leader of the Free World.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    If we assume the official 9/11 story is true, the proper response would have been a Spec Ops snatch and grab to bring Osama bin Laden to the US for trial and public execution.
     
    You know "US for trial and public execution" would have meant decades in the sclerotic US legal system until Osama expired of old age, right? I think what actually happened to him was fine. OTOH, whatever the rest of our $trillion+ "investment" in the Iraq-Afghan corridor is supposed to accomplish is neither fine nor even clear.

    Replies: @anonymous

  23. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    White Americans should feel guilty for murdering Iraqis on behalf of Israel. They are guilty.

  24. Ha! That’s a good one. Traumatized by the sound of a jet fighter that hadn’t flown in 2003? That blows things up from a distance, so that you don’t hear it when it bombs you? A blown up pre-school???

  25. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon


    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.
     
    What "liberality and conscientiousness?" Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our "humanitarian" sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U

    The shoe thrower's words.

    "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog," yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. "This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq," he shouted as he threw his second shoe."

     

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.
     
    The "White man" doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn't care less about what happens overseas. That's why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the "White man" mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That's what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That's literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people "feel bad" about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie "American Sniper?" The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99k3u9ay1gs

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons ("weapons of mass destruction"). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims "evil" for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their "conscience" over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn't much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war.

    No. America killed maybe 20-30,000 Iraqis.

    The rest were killed by Epstein.

  26. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon


    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.
     
    What "liberality and conscientiousness?" Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our "humanitarian" sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U

    The shoe thrower's words.

    "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog," yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. "This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq," he shouted as he threw his second shoe."

     

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.
     
    The "White man" doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn't care less about what happens overseas. That's why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the "White man" mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That's what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That's literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people "feel bad" about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie "American Sniper?" The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99k3u9ay1gs

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons ("weapons of mass destruction"). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims "evil" for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their "conscience" over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn't much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    You knhow, after awhile the effect of hatemail and “poor me” sort of reverses.

    The invasion of Iraq cost a lot of US money and casualties, mostly from IEDs, human bombs, and other such treachery. It wasn’t supposed to – – in theory, after the defeat of the Iraqi Army the country should have been peaceful and the new government set things up along more productive lines than S. Hussein had. Didn’t happen, of course. Turns out a dictator/secret police with Sunni dominance had been stabilizing Iraq, which proceeded to blow apart into different murderous sects, while the US idiotically tried to substitute for the now gone S. Hussein government. Lots of US citizens died, lots of them were crippled. I worked with one once, neurological damage he didn’t even realize he had and crippled as well.

    And now we get this letter from you, unchanged, unable to talk except in terms of hatred and irredentism and “I’m your enemy for life” and “you’re scum”. Looks like you haven’t changed — still blowing every chance you ever had by trying to be a second Mohamed. Wasn’t once enough?

  27. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    @Muggles

    Here's footage of what America did in Iraq.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yr-LaMhvro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxgaYlkC2do

    Even the name of our bombing campaign ("Shock and Awe") was meant to turn the war into entertainment for the American masses. The fact is that most Americans find this type of stuff to be "cool," like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. So putting out this video and giving it an "awesome name" is an effective way to build public support.

    Plenty of Iraqi children have been killed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSe5QidAI3s

    Our leaders (being full of "White guilt") hand wave these casualties away as "collateral damage."

    When the number of casualties gets too large, our leaders attack the patriotism and integrity of anyone who brings up inconvenient facts (like the Lancet). They then whitewash out these inconvenient facts, like the govt from 1984.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    When the number of casualties gets too large, our leaders attack the patriotism and integrity of anyone who brings up inconvenient facts (like the Lancet). They then whitewash out these inconvenient facts, like the govt from 1984.

    You say “our leaders”, but context says you mean “your leaders”. You’re as bad as the JohnyWalker123, except that you’re trying to imitate Lenin rather than Mohamed.

    You know, rabid attacks get old. After awhile, you’re just one more enemy.

  28. @Muggles
    @Not Raul

    >>If you think that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance<<

    Sad to say this seems to be a classic Straw Man argument.

    I never wrote that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance. Why would I?

    But it is far easier for Not Raul to invent some counter argument claim than to address my original remarks. That this Tweet by teacher is based on imaginary events.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Mr. Anon

    I’m pretty sure that there were a lot of Iraqi children who didn’t have to imagine the effect of American ordinance.

    So what if not everyone can tell the difference between a F-18 and a F-35.

    • Agree: JMcG
  29. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    You think the Iraq War was done for liberality and conscientiousness?

    So it wasn’t a crime, justified by lies and fabrications, carried out for the benefit of Israel?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Emblematic

    Exactly. Israel seems to have decided that they’re not going to get Trump to attack Iran, so a surprising amount of labs and factories there have been catching fire these past weeks. Mostly unreported here.

  30. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon


    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.
     
    What "liberality and conscientiousness?" Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our "humanitarian" sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U

    The shoe thrower's words.

    "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog," yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. "This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq," he shouted as he threw his second shoe."

     

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.
     
    The "White man" doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn't care less about what happens overseas. That's why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the "White man" mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That's what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That's literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people "feel bad" about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie "American Sniper?" The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99k3u9ay1gs

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons ("weapons of mass destruction"). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims "evil" for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their "conscience" over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn't much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    What would happen if a campain led by anti-imperialists were to talk to catholic and protestant church-goers about US military intervention and its cost in innocent life in the same way that the anti-abortion movement does. Actually ask these people to ask themselves how moral it is to support a war machine that lays waste to whole countries and kills thousands of children.

  31. @Muggles
    @Not Raul

    >>If you think that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance<<

    Sad to say this seems to be a classic Straw Man argument.

    I never wrote that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance. Why would I?

    But it is far easier for Not Raul to invent some counter argument claim than to address my original remarks. That this Tweet by teacher is based on imaginary events.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Mr. Anon

    I never wrote that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance. Why would I?

    How many dead Iraqi children are acceptable to you? Can you hang a number on that?

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mr. Anon


    How many dead Iraqi children are acceptable to you? Can you hang a number on that?
     
    How many are there?
  32. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey


    Sending out troops in to fight for other people’s lives and freedom is a suckers game
     
    When the govt wants to get the population psyched up for a foreign war, they don't bring up humanitarian stuff. They bring up all the "cool" destruction that we're going to inflict on the enemy "rogue nation."

    Listen to all the cheering that happens when Ted Cruz said he wants to bomb Iraq and find out "if sand can glow in the dark."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRyBAURKuc

    The cheering when Trump says he'll "bomb the sh*t outta ISIS."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_35yJpVyAA

    McCain singing "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7s5pT3Rris

    Americans absolutely love when their leaders call for bombing foreign countries. They think it's "cool."

    Do you know what Americans hate?

    Foreign aid.

    According to polls, foreign aid (which accounts for only 1% of the US budget) is the only item that a large proportion of the public wants to cut. They want to protect everything else.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/poll-most-only-want-foreign-aid-cuts-087948

    https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/press-release/poll-americans-support-foreign-aid-oppose-paying-it

    If you want to start a war overseas, you don't appeal the humanitarianism of Americans. You appeal to their bloodthirstiness.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure America's leaders don't send the troops overseas to "fight for other people’s lives and freedom." Unless by "other people," you mean Israel.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Rob McX

    It’s not just us who hate foreign aid. Foreigners—at least the ones not on the take themselves—don’t like it that much either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dambisa_Moyo

    I have some bones to pick with the methodology and conclusions of the Lancet study you prominently cite. But, I agree with your larger point.

    Speaking of larger points, before this thread dissipates into another Iraq War rehash, maybe we can get back to the multilayered irony of Steve’s original headline?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    OK, please spell out "the multilayered irony of Steve’s original headline."

    It seemed to me that he noticed Uncle Sam's depraved indifference to Iraqi victims (ignored) and American cannon fodder (patronized).

    Am I missing something else?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  33. All these problems are solved when the races live separately, in different countries.

    It is hate to force races together on the same piece of land, Don’t Hate, Separate.

  34. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    What massacres do you think would occur in the US if a foreign military force squashed your military and your police and your administrative bodies without bothering to put anything in their place?

    Shame on you for destroying a functioning state and then blaming all citizens for the hell you set loose.

  35. @BB753
    There's a joke there even though it's sad.

    Replies: @Kronos

    You mean A-10 Warthog go Brrr?

    (F-35 is a polished golden turd.)

    • LOL: BB753
  36. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Wilkey


    Sending out troops in to fight for other people’s lives and freedom is a suckers game
     
    When the govt wants to get the population psyched up for a foreign war, they don't bring up humanitarian stuff. They bring up all the "cool" destruction that we're going to inflict on the enemy "rogue nation."

    Listen to all the cheering that happens when Ted Cruz said he wants to bomb Iraq and find out "if sand can glow in the dark."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRyBAURKuc

    The cheering when Trump says he'll "bomb the sh*t outta ISIS."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_35yJpVyAA

    McCain singing "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7s5pT3Rris

    Americans absolutely love when their leaders call for bombing foreign countries. They think it's "cool."

    Do you know what Americans hate?

    Foreign aid.

    According to polls, foreign aid (which accounts for only 1% of the US budget) is the only item that a large proportion of the public wants to cut. They want to protect everything else.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/poll-most-only-want-foreign-aid-cuts-087948

    https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/press-release/poll-americans-support-foreign-aid-oppose-paying-it

    If you want to start a war overseas, you don't appeal the humanitarianism of Americans. You appeal to their bloodthirstiness.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure America's leaders don't send the troops overseas to "fight for other people’s lives and freedom." Unless by "other people," you mean Israel.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Rob McX

    In addition to that, there’s the fact that every US intervention in the Middle East generates a flood of refugees and pseudo-refugees into white countries. There might be some advantage to invading countries if it made the inhabitants fear or respect America, and be less likely to commit terrorist attacks. On the contrary, it only makes them despise it. Even the most uneducated Middle Easterner can see that the US is wasting trillions of dollars on wars that are not in its own interests. Next to immigration, foreign wars are the most disastrous policy of America’s rulers.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Rob McX


    Next to immigration, foreign wars are the most disastrous policy of America’s rulers.
     
    It doesn't get much truer than that.
  37. @Redneck farmer
    That tweet proves how degenerate our society is. In the good old days, that girl would have been war booty, and her opinion wouldn't have mattered, as it shouldn't.

    Replies: @Kronos

    In the old days, carpet-bombs would’ve made sure no preschoolers would’ve made it out alive.

    (“Shiny bellies” really?)

  38. I see my Iraqi students hands start shaking and see them have to leave the room

    I call bullshit on this. Never happened.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Anon

    As you certainly know, that's not what she wrote. Please see my previous reply to "Muggles."

    The need of some here to dissemble and even intentionally misquote, derailing honest discussion about Uncle Sam's war crimes, is remarkable. Are you fooling yourselves?

    , @JMcG
    @Anon

    I was on a job site with a guy who had been a combat engineer in the 10th Mountain Division over in Afghanistan. Next to the site was an old quarry that the local FBI and swat guys would use for training. We were working away when an automatic weapon opened up in the quarry without warning. He was flat on his belly with his hands over his head in a nanosecond. His hands shook until lunchtime. That’s was about four or five years after he got out.
    That really happened.

  39. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    @Muggles


    I never wrote that no Iraqi children were hurt by American ordinance. Why would I?
     
    How many dead Iraqi children are acceptable to you? Can you hang a number on that?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    How many dead Iraqi children are acceptable to you? Can you hang a number on that?

    How many are there?

  40. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    Have any of these supposed "Iraqi students" told teach that they are dropping out and returning to their (now safe) homeland? No one is forcing them to stay here.

    Also, teach here hasn't bothered to do the most basic research on her hated F35s. They weren't even "rolled out" for use until 2006. So how could these aircraft killed half of anyone's preschool class?
    Answer: impossible.

    Most modern air ordnance from the US is dropped/shot from high speed and high altitude with precision guided controls. While it is possible they could miss the intended target, no pre schools were on the target list. Since the Iraqi ISIS and related groups had no aircraft, and ours made little discernable noise at ground level these alleged pre schoolers wouldn't have heard anything prior to this fictional attack. Until the first explosion you have no idea. Answer: there was no pre school massacre.

    She refers to "her hands" but then says (plural) Iraqi students get up to leave when hearing high altitude jet noise. So how many students are supposedly bothered by this? Were they all in the same "attacked" pre school? Twins? Again, more improbable narrative.

    Individual facts can be mis-remembered. But this has numerous indicators of falsity. So either the students are leaving class to cheat, smoke, goof off, nap, etc. or teach here is just another SJW liar. Or just a failed propaganda fabulist too stupid to deserve anything other than contempt.

    But she's a tireless Twitter warrior, and I'm sure her lies terrify gullible low IQ readers.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @anonymous

    Your comment suggests that you were over there at the time, helping Uncle Sam bring the freedom with both barrels. Or maybe you’re just an armchair warrior, the type of American who gets off on “our” aircraft and ordnance. Either way, I concede your relative expertise.

    Honestly, though, did you not realize as you wrote all this

    She refers to “her hands” but then says (plural) Iraqi students get up to leave when hearing high altitude jet noise. So how many students are supposedly bothered by this? Were they all in the same “attacked” pre school? Twins? Again, more improbable narrative.

    that she simply omitted the apostrophe in “my Iraqi student’s hands”?

    Every decent person would hope that “there was no pre school massacre.” But it’s hard to draw a moral distinction between that target and, say, a wedding party or teenage boys like Abdulrahman al-Awkaki sitting in a cafe.

  41. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Anon


    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us.
     
    What "liberality and conscientiousness?" Is this supposed to be a joke?

    America killed 1 million Iraqis in the recent war. Millions more were widowed, orphaned, or turned into refugees. Way back during the 1990s, our "humanitarian" sanctions killed 500,000 Iraqi children.

    Remember this response from Madeline Albright?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

    Remember the time that guy threw his shoe at Bush?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM3Z_Kskl_U

    The shoe thrower's words.

    "This is a farewell kiss from the Iraqi people, you dog," yelled al-Zaidi in Arabic as he threw his first shoe towards Bush. "This is for the widows and orphans and all those killed in Iraq," he shouted as he threw his second shoe."

     

    Back in 2006, the Lancet Medical journal found the war had (at that point) killed around 600,000 people. After about a week of discussion, everybody sort of forgot about it. Civilian casualties in Iraq (which have crossed over 1 million) have received ZERO media attention since then.

    To be fair, some people were angry, but not about the casualties. They were angry that the Lancet report could politically damage President Bush, which they felt was offensive.

    The average terrorist attack that kills/injures a few dozen American civilians gets much more coverage than mass American-inflicted deaths overseas. 9/11 only killed 3,000 people, but got infinitely more coverage.

    But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.
     
    The "White man" doesn't give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?

    The average American (White or Non-White) couldn't care less about what happens overseas. That's why nobody paid any political price after the Lancet report came out.

    WikiLeaks and various other reports have revealed numerous instances of American troops and contractors massacring people overseas? How many of them have ever been punished?

    The reality is that the "White man" mostly cares about sportsball, tv, and movies. That's what occupies his mental space. Not civilian casualties overseas. That's literally of zero importance to 95% of Americans.

    The politicians, media, and general public have memory holed what this country did in Iraq. If you think anybody is trying to make White people "feel bad" about what happened there, you must live in a different country from the rest of us.

    Remember how much everyone loved this movie "American Sniper?" The movie is about some guy from Texas who went overseas to shoot Iraqis. It got solid reviews and favorable media coverage. After Chris Kyle was killed, he had a massively-attended funeral.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99k3u9ay1gs

    The fact is that Americans (and most especially White Americans) have no problem conducting massive slaughter overseas, even if that slaughter is conducted for totally nonsensical reasons ("weapons of mass destruction"). The same people will then turn around and call Muslims "evil" for terrorist attacks that inflicted significantly fewer casualties.

    So I guess I have some good news for you. When it comes to their "conscience" over civilian casualties, the average White American really isn't much different from the average Afghan or Iraqi.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Wild Geese Howard, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    Mrs. Prude’s reaction to American Sniper was the same as mine: Why in the hell are we over in that sh*thole? What a waste…

  42. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I see my Iraqi students hands start shaking and see them have to leave the room
     
    I call bullshit on this. Never happened.

    Replies: @anonymous, @JMcG

    As you certainly know, that’s not what she wrote. Please see my previous reply to “Muggles.”

    The need of some here to dissemble and even intentionally misquote, derailing honest discussion about Uncle Sam’s war crimes, is remarkable. Are you fooling yourselves?

  43. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Muggles

    Here's footage of what America did in Iraq.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yr-LaMhvro

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxgaYlkC2do

    Even the name of our bombing campaign ("Shock and Awe") was meant to turn the war into entertainment for the American masses. The fact is that most Americans find this type of stuff to be "cool," like an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. So putting out this video and giving it an "awesome name" is an effective way to build public support.

    Plenty of Iraqi children have been killed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSe5QidAI3s

    Our leaders (being full of "White guilt") hand wave these casualties away as "collateral damage."

    When the number of casualties gets too large, our leaders attack the patriotism and integrity of anyone who brings up inconvenient facts (like the Lancet). They then whitewash out these inconvenient facts, like the govt from 1984.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @JMcG

    A turning point in my attitude to our nation’s wars came when I read something Exupery wrote in one of his books when I was a young man. From memory, so not an exact quote, but he wrote that we must never forget that the black smoke we see rising from bombed cities in newsreels is, in part, made up of the burning bodies of dead children. I’ve never forgotten that. No war in my lifetime has been worth killing kids over.
    However, the article in the Lancet was bilge. If the same sort of people who tell me that only 25,000 were killed at Dresden then turn around and say that 600,000 were killed in Iraq, it’s clearly not a matter of reporting the truth. It’s an agenda. Those same folks were utterly silent during the eight years of the Obama administration while the drone strikes on wedding parties continued unabated.

    That new warhead we have that kills kinetically rather than explosively seems a step in the right direction. The F16 pilot or drone operator that puts a conventional bomb into a marketplace to kill a bad guy is little different than the murdering bastards in the IRA who blew little kids and their mothers to pieces in the Omagh atrocity, to name just one.
    We really need to get every single soldier and airman back within our borders and decimate the military budget.

    • Thanks: Dissident
  44. @Emblematic
    @Anon

    You think the Iraq War was done for liberality and conscientiousness?

    So it wasn't a crime, justified by lies and fabrications, carried out for the benefit of Israel?

    Replies: @JMcG

    Exactly. Israel seems to have decided that they’re not going to get Trump to attack Iran, so a surprising amount of labs and factories there have been catching fire these past weeks. Mostly unreported here.

  45. @Mr. Anon

    Sometimes that hopelessness comes from the F35s that you fly RIGHT over the community college where I work, so I see my Iraqi students hands start shaking and see her have to leave the room, because you killed half her preschool class in 2003 and the sound brings her back there.
     
    But on the other hand, she now has the freedom to get tattooed, become an amateur porn actress, and go out to a slut-walk or a pu**y-demonstration to protest her objectification by the patriarchy.

    So there's that.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Oikeamielinen

    An excellent comment.

  46. @Anon

    I see my Iraqi students hands start shaking and see them have to leave the room
     
    I call bullshit on this. Never happened.

    Replies: @anonymous, @JMcG

    I was on a job site with a guy who had been a combat engineer in the 10th Mountain Division over in Afghanistan. Next to the site was an old quarry that the local FBI and swat guys would use for training. We were working away when an automatic weapon opened up in the quarry without warning. He was flat on his belly with his hands over his head in a nanosecond. His hands shook until lunchtime. That’s was about four or five years after he got out.
    That really happened.

  47. @Rob McX
    @JohnnyWalker123

    In addition to that, there's the fact that every US intervention in the Middle East generates a flood of refugees and pseudo-refugees into white countries. There might be some advantage to invading countries if it made the inhabitants fear or respect America, and be less likely to commit terrorist attacks. On the contrary, it only makes them despise it. Even the most uneducated Middle Easterner can see that the US is wasting trillions of dollars on wars that are not in its own interests. Next to immigration, foreign wars are the most disastrous policy of America's rulers.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

    Next to immigration, foreign wars are the most disastrous policy of America’s rulers.

    It doesn’t get much truer than that.

  48. Rather than relitigate past wars simply pass a bill making all community colleges no-fly zones. If it saves just one life …

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Known Fact

    Past?

    Denial, dissembling, fabrication, and now another sick joke.

    The really smart guy who built your little HBD tree fort here seems to be noticing different things lately, but a goodly portion of the iSteve fanboys remain truly Ugly Americans.

  49. Clearly, we need an end to all legal and illegal immigration. Nothing but a continuous pipeline of noxious Fifth columnists.

  50. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Known Fact
    Rather than relitigate past wars simply pass a bill making all community colleges no-fly zones. If it saves just one life ...

    Replies: @anonymous

    Past?

    Denial, dissembling, fabrication, and now another sick joke.

    The really smart guy who built your little HBD tree fort here seems to be noticing different things lately, but a goodly portion of the iSteve fanboys remain truly Ugly Americans.

  51. @Anon
    They are using our liberality and conscientiousness against us. Do you think Iraqis give a s*** about the Christians they killed? What about the Taliban for destroying a 2000 year old Buddhist stupa? Do you think the Chinese feel bad for cutting out organs from political dissidents? No they don't. But somehow when it comes to the White Man, we are supposed to be above reproach. Even just by belonging to the same group, not the individuals who committed the actual atrocities.

    Basically, White Bad. Bad white, bad white, go to your cage.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Not Raul, @JohnnyWalker123, @Wilkey, @ATBOTL, @Emblematic, @but an humble craftsman, @El Dato

    Taliban were not in Iraq and are a 100% Saudi-CIA production.

  52. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's not just us who hate foreign aid. Foreigners—at least the ones not on the take themselves—don't like it that much either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dambisa_Moyo

    I have some bones to pick with the methodology and conclusions of the Lancet study you prominently cite. But, I agree with your larger point.

    Speaking of larger points, before this thread dissipates into another Iraq War rehash, maybe we can get back to the multilayered irony of Steve's original headline?

    Replies: @anonymous

    OK, please spell out “the multilayered irony of Steve’s original headline.”

    It seemed to me that he noticed Uncle Sam’s depraved indifference to Iraqi victims (ignored) and American cannon fodder (patronized).

    Am I missing something else?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous


    Invade the World
     
    Pentagon

    Invite the World
     
    "Iraqi" student unaccountably in US "community" college

    While the Pentagon Is Celebrating International Self Care Day
     
    Too rich.

    Replies: @anonymous

  53. @anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    OK, please spell out "the multilayered irony of Steve’s original headline."

    It seemed to me that he noticed Uncle Sam's depraved indifference to Iraqi victims (ignored) and American cannon fodder (patronized).

    Am I missing something else?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Invade the World

    Pentagon

    Invite the World

    “Iraqi” student unaccountably in US “community” college

    While the Pentagon Is Celebrating International Self Care Day

    Too rich.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Thanks, I get it, I guess.

  54. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The “White man” doesn’t give a damn about civilian casualties overseas. When has any American politician EVER paid any penalty for killing civilians overseas? When was the last time you heard ANYONE talk about civilian casualties overseas?
     
    Uh, I was against the Iraq and Afghanistan forever wars from day one.

    If we assume the official 9/11 story is true, the proper response would have been a Spec Ops snatch and grab to bring Osama bin Laden to the US for trial and public execution.

    Sadly I could not have prevented these wars since I'm just some crank on the Internet that makes an okay living, rather than the Leader of the Free World.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    If we assume the official 9/11 story is true, the proper response would have been a Spec Ops snatch and grab to bring Osama bin Laden to the US for trial and public execution.

    You know “US for trial and public execution” would have meant decades in the sclerotic US legal system until Osama expired of old age, right? I think what actually happened to him was fine. OTOH, whatever the rest of our $trillion+ “investment” in the Iraq-Afghan corridor is supposed to accomplish is neither fine nor even clear.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    What actually happened to him?

    Please show me.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  55. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous


    Invade the World
     
    Pentagon

    Invite the World
     
    "Iraqi" student unaccountably in US "community" college

    While the Pentagon Is Celebrating International Self Care Day
     
    Too rich.

    Replies: @anonymous

    Thanks, I get it, I guess.

  56. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    If we assume the official 9/11 story is true, the proper response would have been a Spec Ops snatch and grab to bring Osama bin Laden to the US for trial and public execution.
     
    You know "US for trial and public execution" would have meant decades in the sclerotic US legal system until Osama expired of old age, right? I think what actually happened to him was fine. OTOH, whatever the rest of our $trillion+ "investment" in the Iraq-Afghan corridor is supposed to accomplish is neither fine nor even clear.

    Replies: @anonymous

    What actually happened to him?

    Please show me.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous

    Just out of curiosity, do you think Sandy Hook was a real shooting?

    Replies: @anonymous

  57. @anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    What actually happened to him?

    Please show me.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Just out of curiosity, do you think Sandy Hook was a real shooting?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    false equivalence + change of subject = fail

    Can you at least show me some of your Operation Neptune Spear commemoratives?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  58. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous

    Just out of curiosity, do you think Sandy Hook was a real shooting?

    Replies: @anonymous

    false equivalence + change of subject = fail

    Can you at least show me some of your Operation Neptune Spear commemoratives?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous


    false equivalence
     
    Not at all. Most of what anyone "knows" is actually second- or third-hand. The only question is what one chooses to believe.

    Neither of us has been to Abbottabad. Probably neither of us has been to Sandy Hook either. So the only question is where does the belief frontier lie?
  59. @anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    false equivalence + change of subject = fail

    Can you at least show me some of your Operation Neptune Spear commemoratives?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    false equivalence

    Not at all. Most of what anyone “knows” is actually second- or third-hand. The only question is what one chooses to believe.

    Neither of us has been to Abbottabad. Probably neither of us has been to Sandy Hook either. So the only question is where does the belief frontier lie?

  60. “You” being a euphemism for the cabal of jevvish/zionist/buttgoy warmongers?

    Have any of these supposed “Iraqi students” told teach that they are dropping out and returning to their (now safe) homeland? No one is forcing them to stay here.

    I might not say such things, if my country had, under the misbegotten rule of ZOG, broken their country.

    It would be in poor taste.

    To clarify the timeline a bit: Saddam>Weimerica Invades>ISIS

  61. I’ll just take this opportunity to point out, for the umpteenth time, that WNs, myself included, were all* vehemently and loudly opposed to Iraq Attaq II, right from the moment the rumblings began.

    I guess anti-semitism ain’t all bad, eh?

    *yes, all. 99.9%.

  62. @Indocon
    Pilgrims, you all need to start thinking about carving up your own country, just like Muslims did out of India once the British left, you owe it to your future generations to leave them a piece of land that they can live off without being hounded every day. Pakistan may not have turned out to be the next Switzerland, but Muslims are not getting killed in riots every day there. For the first 50 years India survived as a secular democracy where Muslims were able to get by with their regular lives, but that will not be possible in the future decades once the Hindu right has formally established itself in power.

    This guy had the foresight to predict India off the future where Muslim minority would be hounded by a radicalized Hindu majority, who is going to be your version of him?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah

    Replies: @Anon

    You’re an idiot.

    In India, it’s the Muslims who hound the Hindus.

    In Pakistan, Muslims die daily from Sunni-Shiite clashes.

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