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A simple meta-principle that should govern vast social engineering experiments such as immigration, housing policies, disparate impact quotas and so forth is the health and research concept of “Informed Consent.” The potential consequences of government policies such as lack of enforcement of immigration laws or Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing should be explained to American citizenry in simple, frank language.

Most importantly, no efforts should be made to silence vigorous debate on these subjects in order to bring about Uninformed Submission. In particular, experts, such as Jason Richwine, James D. Watson, and Larry Summers, should not be fired, pour encourager les autres, precisely for offering informed analysis of the likely consequences of social experiments.

Here are the federal guidelines on Informed Consent for human research, which provide a good starting point for applying this principle to social engineering experiments:

According to the U.S. Office for Human Research Protections (OHRP), the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) requires that certain information be provided to research subjects before they participate in a study, including:

A statement that the study involves research, an explanation of the purposes of the research and the expected duration of the subject’s participation, a description of the procedures to be followed, and identification of any procedures which are experimental

A description of any reasonably foreseeable risks or discomforts to the subject

A description of any benefits to the subject or to others which may reasonably be expected from the research

A disclosure of appropriate alternative procedures or courses of treatment, if any, that might be advantageous to the subject

A statement describing the extent, if any, to which confidentiality of records identifying the subject will be maintained

For research involving more than minimal risk, an explanation as to whether there are any treatments or compensation if injury occurs and, if so, what they consist of, or where further information may be obtained (Note: A risk is considered “minimal” when the probability and magnitude of harm or discomfort anticipated in the proposed research are not greater, in and of themselves, than those ordinarily encountered in daily life or during the performance of routine physical or psychological examinations or tests)

An explanation of whom to contact for answers to pertinent questions about the research and research subjects’ rights, and whom to contact in the event of a research-related injury to the subject

A statement that participation is voluntary, refusal to participate will involve no penalty or loss of benefits to which the subject is otherwise entitled, and the subject may discontinue participation at any time without penalty or loss of benefits to which the subject is otherwise entitled

Note: It is essential that consent forms be written in plain language that research subjects can understand. In addition, the consent form should not contain any exculpatory language. That is, subjects should not be asked to waive (or appear to waive) any of their legal rights, nor should they be asked to release the investigator, sponsor, or institution (or its agents) from liability for negligence.

Update: A commenter points to this 2009 Jim Bowery blog post about “informed consent” as a basic ethical principle.

 
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  1. Bravo, Steve. You’ve just articulated exactly what I’ve been thinking. I’m probably the biggest immigration dove who comments at iSteve, but even I’ve been wondering when did the American people vote for (or otherwise consent to) the fundamental demographic reorganization of our country?

  2. My dear Mr. Sailer, in politics you could never succeed because you’re not dishonest and because you make too much sense.

    This is what it takes: “The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.”*

    *Teddyquiddick, 1965

    • Agree: Nico, tbraton, reiner Tor
  3. A simple meta-principle that should govern vast social engineering experiments such as immigration, housing policies, disparate impact quotas and so forth is the health and research concept of “Informed Consent.”

    It helps that the news media does the government’s work for it when it comes to covering for liberal policies. For example, after the state supreme court of Connecticut overturned all death penalty convictions, the public radio reporter said that one of the reasons was that 42 percent of those given the death penalty are black, while blacks are only 13 percent of the population. No mention of the fact that blacks commit nearly half the nation’s murders.

  4. The Supreme Court would surely rule your idea unconstitutional, were it ever enacted into law.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    You're correct. The Founding Fathers never wanted this "informed consent" nonsense. If they had wanted it, they would have written it explicitly into the Constitution, like gay marriage or forced integration of blacks into white schools.
    , @NOTA
    Good luck finding someone neutral to judge whether a project's description is accurate.
  5. You think the Chambers of Commerce and snob jobs like George Will, Krauthammer and the rest of beltway literati would give us that sort of consideration?

    Well, you got another thing coming Mr. Sailer, to steal a phrase from I Love Lucy.

    40 years ago it was a possibility. Today no, way jose’.

    They despise us. George Will came out and said as much. We’re less than human in their view. Why do you think they kept silent on immigration, trade, globalization in general for the last two decades? Because they want to keep us in the dark so we don’t get pissed at their nightmarish social engineering attempts that ends with us impoverished and powerless. Could it be they are worried about us eating their blue blood hides? I would be if I were them.

    This is why they hate Trump because he dared to bring up the dreaded unmentionable – our age’s Voldemort(immigration) for all to see and what the people saw, they didn’t like and are very angry at the snob jobs and Chamber of Commerce types.

  6. This will never happen because we don’t live under democracy. We live under a plutocratic and largely Jewish supremacist oligarchy with a democratic façade. I would prefer if our elites were more honest about the power they held and how they will never give us any meaningful say in steering our society.

  7. Let the people decide on large-scale policy issues? What, do you think we live in a democracy or something?

    • Replies: @mrknowitall
    We live in a republic. We elect representatives to decide issues for us.
  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Alas, this not an experiment. Nobody is trying to see if these policies work, and ,if not, pulling back. Immigration non-enforcement may result in many more deaths than those caused by the side effects of a prescription medication. However, you may be sure the policy will never be recalled from the shelves and its manufacturers held liable. Our rulers are simply implementing their predetermined policies. Of course, they are correct in judging that those policies certainly do “work” for them….at least in the short run. The rest is just written off as collateral damage to the Bad White people.

    The mainstream media megaphone is blasting away, in near pain-inducing decibels, with a highly distorted version of the “news” supporting the Narrative . Anything to the contrary comes out in tiny droplets of trickle-down truth. Even so, the public senses something is wrong and occasional tries to have some say in its own governance, only to be promptly slapped down by courts, bureaucracy and the executive branch.

    Now, in the deepest twilight hours of American democracy, the reigning policies in almost all vital areas are best characterized as based on “Uninformed Non Consent”.

  9. This notion of “informed consent” was brought up recently by commenter Langley:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-magazine-obama-trump-and-daffy-duck/#comment-1057277

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    This notion of “informed consent” was brought up recently by commenter Langley:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-magazine-obama-trump-and-daffy-duck/#comment-1057277

     

    I believe it originated with James Bowery, who comments here once in a while:

    http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2009/07/secession-from-slavery-to-free.html
  10. While I align 100% with what Mr. Sailer is saying (being let’s say not ignorant of the methods and management of social “science” research or public policy)…

    …the problem here is that while the effect of these efforts is experimentation, the intent of them is solely an exercise of political and economic power.

    Example: consider the billions of dollars spent by lefty billionaires and left-slanty “philanthropic foundations” to push policy in a direction they like. Do you think they care one whit about the outcomes of this social tinkering? No. They care about inflicting their view of the world on everyone and forcing submission to it. It is not an exercise in praxis or empiricism. It’s an exercise in religio-social ideology.

    It’s allied to Joel Kotkin’s recent observations on how the power elites are trying to force Americans to change their mind about the way the majority of them choose and wish to live (in suburbia). Readers who missed that can check out his blog, his name dot com.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Quite often, the whole disagreement about a policy is about what the effects will be. If we abolish the Fed and go on a gold standard, what will the effects of that be? Paul Krugman has a different prediction there from Ron Paul, and their different predictions lead to different policy prescriptions. Similarly, Tyler Cowan and Jason Richwine have different immigration policies at least partly because they have different predictions about the consequences of open borders.
  11. Speaking of Caitlyn Jenner, Wheaties is now beer.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Reflecting an evolution of old ex-jocks more common than Bruce's.
  12. Unfortunately, the standards do not apply to Haters or Potential Haters, defined to be those who will be or may be adversely affected by the procedure.

  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think this is both A) rhetorically clever esp. as aimed at the juicebox Ivy-League eager engineers & their zest for protocol; and B) a non-serious, overly legalistic plan in practice, not surprising to hear seriously offered by Sailer since he’s no specialist in the area, but he should still try to have some self-awareness of positing polemical gotchas vs. useful reforms.

    btw, strong column today at TheHill.com about Philip Cafaro’s book; highlights the rift between reality-based progressives and the ruling-class beauty-contest Left.

    • Replies: @CJ
    That was an interesting book review, if you can call it that. It deserves a link:

    Sanders v. Klein on immigration: The old Left against the adolescent Left

    It was almost jarring to read such sensible writing in a "bipartisan" publication. This guy sounds like an iSteve reader. It may be an indication that the immigration issue could erupt to the center of public political discourse. Excerpt:

    ... using immigration as a cheap form of foreign aid could actually make things worse globally. Mass immigration enables Third World governments to continue their chronically corruptive policies as it lets their oppressed subjects simply move elsewhere instead of rallying for much-needed domestic reforms. Despite large portions of Central America’s population now living in the US, progress toward economic justice in the region has for decades at best been flat. Expanding immigration has not and will not solve the sending-country’s problems and the migrant-waves we see today will likely only cease once the host-nation (that is, us) grows so socially stratified as a result that it begins to resemble the very sending-country itself.

    Klein should read Cafaro’s book. Like most open-borders pushers, he appears to be treating national boundaries as morally arbitrary, a topic Cafaro takes on forcefully and skilfully. Rebuking writer Martha Nussbaum, who’s [sic] take on sovereign borders is similar to Klein’s, Cafaro writes that although “arbitrary or artificial boundaries may be out of favour with the jet-setting global intelligentsia … borders remain morally relevant, because we have different and stronger responsibilities to our fellow citizens than we have to the rest of humanity.” “Limiting immigration” he writes further, “recognizes our responsibilities to poor people within our borders and to our descendants to create a more egalitarian and sustainable society.” Amen.
     
  14. But, as I recall, Ted Kennedy, the floor manager of the Immigration Act of 1965, assured us back in 1965 that “our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually.” To paraphrase from an old “Maverick” episode on TV, “if you can’t trust Ted Kennedy, who can you trust?” (Actually, the Maverick episode was well ahead of its time since the actual line was “if you can’t trust your banker, who can you trust?”)

    BTW Ted Kennedy’s assurance was seconded by other Senators: “Senator Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, further calmed that august body, insisting “the total number of potential immigrants would not be changed very much.” Time has proven otherwise. Average immigration levels before the 1965 amendments took effect hovered around 300,000 per annum. Yet 1,045,000 legal immigrants flooded our cities in 1996 alone.” I believe the numbers are somewhat higher since then.

  15. We may not have informed consent regarding government social engineering projects but we do have elections.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    No you have selections between very very carefully chosen placeholders.

    Charles Burris looks at the scam:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/insurgents-versus-party-regulars/
  16. Informed consent implies a voluntary arrangement. It requires consent, agreement.

    The political sphere deals with force. The government of a nation-state has a legal monopoly on the use of force. It freely uses that force. Everything the government does is by force, even if a majority support the policy it forces it on the minority.

    If there were three of us in church, and two decided that we should take a vow of lifetime chastity that does not mean “we” decided to take a vow of lifetime chastity. That is not consent or voluntary agreement by each of the three people. Everyone who enters an experiment agrees individually, we don’t have a hospital ward vote and the result imposed on all the people who voted against the experiment.

    That is why, generally speaking, violating a rule statute or regulation leads to loss of liberty not damages (a monetary value of the harm caused to the other party). Violating a consensual agreement always leads to damages and the damages cannot amount to a penalty.

  17. Informed consent isn’t always observed in its traditional bailiwicks, as this egg donor horror story illustrates so well.

  18. Steve, this is a little off topic, but it is germane in a sense to social experiments. Your reporting on transgender experiments, and who undergoes them, namely High T, aggressive, accomplished men, reveals that the issues at stake are not motivated by psychological compulsion but rather the need of science for guinea pigs. These men are the Chuck Yeagers of the postmodern age, willing to sacrifice not just their bodies but their psyches in the name of science. Another underlying issue could be (I’m just spitballing here) a rivalry between chemists and physicists.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    These men are the Chuck Yeagers of the postmodern age, willing to sacrifice not just their bodies but their psyches in the name of science. Another underlying issue could be (I’m just spitballing here) a rivalry between chemists and physicists.


    Agreed. I riffed on this the other day. There's a definite cyberpunk triumphalism going on here.

  19. =Informed consent =

    do you have a rabbit up your sleeve or an isteve?

  20. There are people paid to avoid a discussion of tough issues. For just a few examples: @Mollyesque, @FrankSharry, and @IlanBrat (mentioned here recently). Obviously, amnesty opponents aren’t in their league: they keep winning. So, if you want informed consent (and it’s not clear that most here do in fact want that), then you have to realize that a) how those folks are being opposed now doesn’t work, and b) new and better ways of opposing them are needed.

    For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren’t in their league and they’re going to keep doing what they’ve been doing and they’re going to keep winning.

    • Replies: @midtown
    What is your advice for people who don't tweet?
    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    This is going to sound like a smart-ass comment, for which I apologize, but it isn't meant to be.

    "For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren’t in their league and they’re going to keep doing what they’ve been doing and they’re going to keep winning."

    What difference, at this point, would it make if we had commented, either on the post or on Twitter? The comments may or may not be 'disappeared', but getting blocked and muted on Twitter is almost a certainty. It's not like these folks don't know of the intensity of the feelings of the majority on this issue.

    For example, the NYTs ran an article on Disney and SCE dumping IT workers in the USA and replacing them with H-1B imports. The comments were extremely passionate, very anti-H-1B and anti-corporate, and largely anti-immigration in general. The NYTs even ran an article a few days later, on page 1 of the print edition, I believe, reporting on the reaction in the comment section to the first article. Has the NYTs changed its position on open borders even one lick since then? Are they ever likely to do so?

    I will confess to defeatism on this issue. I've been following politics for 35 years now, and as I've grown older I've realized that there are two factions in the country: the rulers and their minions, aspirants, and useful idiots; and the rest of us. There is infighting amongst the rulers as to how to divide up the spoils, but when it comes down to it that ruling class is uniformly against the majority of the country and exclusively for their own benefit - and THEY see it as a zero sum game.

    I've seen political insurgencies come and go. Reagan looked like an insurgency, once, but it turns out he was just in favor of Wall Street raping the country financially while opening up the borders a bit more.

    Perot WAS an insurgency. He made a splash in 1992, but by 1996 and 2000 the ripples had died away. (Wasn't it discussed here that Romney lost in 2012 precisely because he did worse than expected in counties which had shown strong Perot support in 1992?)

    The Tea Parties were, at their core, insurgent against the ruling class, but they've been so easily co-opted that it isn't even funny. (And it was pretty obvious from the get go that they would be easily co-opted.) The Occupy Movement was a joke.

    And now, The Donald and Bernie Show. A look at the records of each shows that if they somehow do get elected President they're likely to go back to being the open borders guys everyone else in The Establishment.

    So I don't think adding my voice, or even a few voices, or even a huge numbers of voices to the online din will make a difference. If Perot, with his billions and his desire and the support of 19,743,821 voters couldn't make a difference, what hope have we now, after 23 years of additional, and accelerated, rot?

    Again, apologies for the sour tone.
  21. To those saying this idea can’t be implemented legally: Certainly true, but this is a bit of rhetorical jiu-jitsu meant to shut down those who would have us shut up about the topics in question. If you’re in a group discussing immigration, say, and some SJW dumb-fuck starts piping up with accusations of racism and such, simply make the informed consent argument. I bet most listeners would take it to heart, and be willing to hear more.

  22. Informed consent? How about truth in advertising laws for politicians and the laws they pass?

    If a law doesn’t do what politicians claimed it would do, it should be instantly invalid.

  23. Not quite off-topic… I’m listening to a recent This American Life episode, The Problem We All Live With. Reporter Nikole Hannah Jones forcefully asserts that school integration is the single reform idea that has been proven to work. Integration is the one policy that has been definitively shown to raise black students’ test scores and close the black-white achievement gap. And its effects don’t end on the last day of high school: blacks who have been touched by integration go on to lead richer, more productive lives.

    Now, the plot of this show may appear darkly humorous at times, to an iSteve reader. For instance, it focuses on Michael Brown’s alma mater — this is the school that is full of the gentle strivers who are callously spurned by the white villains of the piece. For another, Ms. Jones doesn’t seem to spare a moment’s thought to outcomes for the other-than-black dramatis personae in her story.

    But never mind that. Ms. Jones knows that Integration Works, and presumably the show’s SJW listeners are ready to accept this Gospel, on her word alone.

    My ask: what’s the strongest and best evidence that racial-balancing integration is effective in Raising The Scores and Closing The Gap? Ms. Jones refers to the old-fashioned version — court-ordered, forced busing, that kind. So, I’d be grateful if a reader could point me to the properly-designed, well-conducted multi-year studies that Ms. Jones has in mind. Thanks!

    • Replies: @SFG
    Doesn't it close the gap by decreasing white scores?

    Of course, if you put it that way...
  24. Sez Steve:

    – I don’t have comment stats going back beyond one month, but in that single month you’ve written 12,462 published comments. That’s a pace approaching 150,000 published comments per year. That’s a lot.

    If everyone considered their comment worth 100 cents, Steve would be making a decent, middle-class life.

    If your little bit of “wisdom” ain’t worth a buck, maybe you should STFU?

  25. @Reg Cæsar
    Speaking of Caitlyn Jenner, Wheaties is now beer.

    Reflecting an evolution of old ex-jocks more common than Bruce’s.

  26. It’s about publicly demonstrating moral superiority and therefore fitness to lead — it has nothing to do with democracy or seeking “consent”.

  27. @International Jew
    The Supreme Court would surely rule your idea unconstitutional, were it ever enacted into law.

    You’re correct. The Founding Fathers never wanted this “informed consent” nonsense. If they had wanted it, they would have written it explicitly into the Constitution, like gay marriage or forced integration of blacks into white schools.

  28. @ic1000
    Not quite off-topic... I'm listening to a recent This American Life episode, The Problem We All Live With. Reporter Nikole Hannah Jones forcefully asserts that school integration is the single reform idea that has been proven to work. Integration is the one policy that has been definitively shown to raise black students' test scores and close the black-white achievement gap. And its effects don't end on the last day of high school: blacks who have been touched by integration go on to lead richer, more productive lives.

    Now, the plot of this show may appear darkly humorous at times, to an iSteve reader. For instance, it focuses on Michael Brown's alma mater -- this is the school that is full of the gentle strivers who are callously spurned by the white villains of the piece. For another, Ms. Jones doesn't seem to spare a moment's thought to outcomes for the other-than-black dramatis personae in her story.

    But never mind that. Ms. Jones knows that Integration Works, and presumably the show's SJW listeners are ready to accept this Gospel, on her word alone.

    My ask: what's the strongest and best evidence that racial-balancing integration is effective in Raising The Scores and Closing The Gap? Ms. Jones refers to the old-fashioned version -- court-ordered, forced busing, that kind. So, I'd be grateful if a reader could point me to the properly-designed, well-conducted multi-year studies that Ms. Jones has in mind. Thanks!

    Doesn’t it close the gap by decreasing white scores?

    Of course, if you put it that way…

  29. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s clear they consider the citizenry to be mere guinea pigs, things to be manipulated at will. The attitude of contempt is clear. But when they start their next war they’ll expect the same people to suddenly feel real patriotic and come rushing forward to volunteer themselves for something that gains them nothing.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    Heartiste calls it top-down patriotism. You have to support the troops, the veterans and the MIC*, or else you get the treatment. The p.r. campaign works remarkably well, but there are cracks forming. Trump doesn't wholly buy into it, given his remarks on McCain.

    *In post-industrial America should we rename it to military-financial complex?
  30. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Informed Dissent is all we can hope for.

  31. OT – more first world problems

    “Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? “

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

    I must say I didn’t know this was a thing. Are US whites really on the downlow in plain view? Sounds like a bad case of wish fulfilment to me.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    "According to Ward, this behavior is very much tied to their white privilege, heteronormativety and male privilege to create a nexus in which straight white men can have sex with one another and face no repercussions."

    Just another solipsistic assault against those awful Straight White Men.

    I don't recommend spending much brainpower trying to figure out why these people are singling out SWM beyond simple leftist hatred towards core groups and men

    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Yes, it does sound like so much BS, just like the use of the word "homophobe". Most of the men I knew that were "homophobic" weren't scared of gays, they were disgusted by them. I really doubt more than a small percentage of straights are into that sort of thing.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "“Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences?

    Why would they WANT to?!?

    1) If you're having sex with other men (unless its rape, or perhaps being done for ulterior motives), you ain't "straight."

    2) Unless (maybe) you're hanging out with Millennial dudes, or academic-types, there will* be social repercussions.


    *Today, those would probably consist mostly of laughter and mockery, and maybe a few less social invitations being extended. In the not-too-distant past, they would have been much more severe.
    , @ben tillman

    “Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? “

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

     

    Possibly the most deranged thing I've ever read, and that's saying something.
    , @Anonymous

    If I have learned anything in my life so far, it’s that the only group of people more obsessed with touching a penis than gay men is straight ones. 
     
    Perhaps men, such as the author, have become so feminized that women don't want to touch their penises.
  32. silly sailer…large, diverse federalist republics are for kids….if you want a government operating in the interests of the people, you have to go to small, homogeneous parliamentarian democracies.

    Fundamentals, please.

  33. AndrewR [AKA "Aiden"] says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    OT - more first world problems

    "Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? "

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

    I must say I didn't know this was a thing. Are US whites really on the downlow in plain view? Sounds like a bad case of wish fulfilment to me.

    “According to Ward, this behavior is very much tied to their white privilege, heteronormativety and male privilege to create a nexus in which straight white men can have sex with one another and face no repercussions.”

    Just another solipsistic assault against those awful Straight White Men.

    I don’t recommend spending much brainpower trying to figure out why these people are singling out SWM beyond simple leftist hatred towards core groups and men

    • Replies: @International Jew

    to create a nexus
     
    Is that an allusion to "ripping them a new one"?
  34. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT - more first world problems

    "Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? "

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

    I must say I didn't know this was a thing. Are US whites really on the downlow in plain view? Sounds like a bad case of wish fulfilment to me.

    Yes, it does sound like so much BS, just like the use of the word “homophobe”. Most of the men I knew that were “homophobic” weren’t scared of gays, they were disgusted by them. I really doubt more than a small percentage of straights are into that sort of thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    " ... just like the use of the word “homophobe”. Most of the men I knew that were “homophobic” weren’t scared of gays, they were disgusted by them."

    This is a great point. And it's not about personally disliking people who happen to be gay, but feeling disgust for gay sex. Fear of gays doesn't have much to do with it.
  35. @24AheadDotCom
    There are people paid to avoid a discussion of tough issues. For just a few examples: @Mollyesque, @FrankSharry, and @IlanBrat (mentioned here recently). Obviously, amnesty opponents aren't in their league: they keep winning. So, if you want informed consent (and it's not clear that most here do in fact want that), then you have to realize that a) how those folks are being opposed now doesn't work, and b) new and better ways of opposing them are needed.

    For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren't in their league and they're going to keep doing what they've been doing and they're going to keep winning.

    What is your advice for people who don’t tweet?

  36. The actions of the overclass are consistent with the thesis that they wish to ultimately usher in a new age of feudalism – a social arrangement in which they are the lords and the rest of us are serfs. And the reason why we need to be serfs (in their view) is that only when the many are serfs, can the lords truly be lords.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "And the reason why we need to be serfs (in their view) is that only when the many are serfs, can the lords truly be lords."

    I don't understand this strong desire to be lords. Sure, it's nice to be on top, but you can be on top without having everyone beneath you crushed under your thumb.
  37. Alas, as was noted above, while we don’t have political ‘informed consent’ we do have elections. And it seems the masses DO consent, because they have supported and are continuing to support the sorts of people who are responsible for the status quo.

    The trouble with democracy is that it gives everyone the government the majority deserves.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    The electorate provide uninformed consent through election.
  38. @24AheadDotCom
    There are people paid to avoid a discussion of tough issues. For just a few examples: @Mollyesque, @FrankSharry, and @IlanBrat (mentioned here recently). Obviously, amnesty opponents aren't in their league: they keep winning. So, if you want informed consent (and it's not clear that most here do in fact want that), then you have to realize that a) how those folks are being opposed now doesn't work, and b) new and better ways of opposing them are needed.

    For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren't in their league and they're going to keep doing what they've been doing and they're going to keep winning.

    This is going to sound like a smart-ass comment, for which I apologize, but it isn’t meant to be.

    “For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren’t in their league and they’re going to keep doing what they’ve been doing and they’re going to keep winning.”

    What difference, at this point, would it make if we had commented, either on the post or on Twitter? The comments may or may not be ‘disappeared’, but getting blocked and muted on Twitter is almost a certainty. It’s not like these folks don’t know of the intensity of the feelings of the majority on this issue.

    For example, the NYTs ran an article on Disney and SCE dumping IT workers in the USA and replacing them with H-1B imports. The comments were extremely passionate, very anti-H-1B and anti-corporate, and largely anti-immigration in general. The NYTs even ran an article a few days later, on page 1 of the print edition, I believe, reporting on the reaction in the comment section to the first article. Has the NYTs changed its position on open borders even one lick since then? Are they ever likely to do so?

    I will confess to defeatism on this issue. I’ve been following politics for 35 years now, and as I’ve grown older I’ve realized that there are two factions in the country: the rulers and their minions, aspirants, and useful idiots; and the rest of us. There is infighting amongst the rulers as to how to divide up the spoils, but when it comes down to it that ruling class is uniformly against the majority of the country and exclusively for their own benefit – and THEY see it as a zero sum game.

    I’ve seen political insurgencies come and go. Reagan looked like an insurgency, once, but it turns out he was just in favor of Wall Street raping the country financially while opening up the borders a bit more.

    Perot WAS an insurgency. He made a splash in 1992, but by 1996 and 2000 the ripples had died away. (Wasn’t it discussed here that Romney lost in 2012 precisely because he did worse than expected in counties which had shown strong Perot support in 1992?)

    The Tea Parties were, at their core, insurgent against the ruling class, but they’ve been so easily co-opted that it isn’t even funny. (And it was pretty obvious from the get go that they would be easily co-opted.) The Occupy Movement was a joke.

    And now, The Donald and Bernie Show. A look at the records of each shows that if they somehow do get elected President they’re likely to go back to being the open borders guys everyone else in The Establishment.

    So I don’t think adding my voice, or even a few voices, or even a huge numbers of voices to the online din will make a difference. If Perot, with his billions and his desire and the support of 19,743,821 voters couldn’t make a difference, what hope have we now, after 23 years of additional, and accelerated, rot?

    Again, apologies for the sour tone.

    • Replies: @Melendwyr
    No need to apologize for anything. If we can't acknowledge what's going on, we can't possibly respond appropriately.

    The masses will end up voting into office the same old, same old. And while that annoys and angers many people, none of us want to do anything about it - not just in the sense of possibly trying to change the system, but even in terms of simply escaping the system and going elsewhere. We have no hope we can change things, we have no hope we can escape our situation.
    , @Lugash
    You have nothing to apologize for. You've got an honest and realistic assessment of the situation.
    , @24AheadDotCom
    midtown: my advice for those who don't tweet is to spend the less than five minutes it takes to create a bogus email account and use that to create a Twitter account. There are people in India right now creating PVAs, and if they can do it so can you.

    Gato de la Biblioteca: you're doing it wrong. As I've said and as Trump has since said, you need leverage. If you send an angry letter to the WSJ, they aren't going to change their coverage. However, if their writers know that writing lies will result in them being discredited to the NYT audience, you'll have power over them and can make them change what they do. Sites like NewsBusters, Breitbart, etc. can be ignored by the NYT because those sites only appeal to r/w'ers and their coverage consists of "look what our opponents are doing to us again" rather than "for those in the NYT audience, here's how this specific writer isn't credible".

    If a hundred people just occasionally helped with my campaigns in the way I want them implemented, we could have a very strong impact.
  39. @H2
    Let the people decide on large-scale policy issues? What, do you think we live in a democracy or something?

    We live in a republic. We elect representatives to decide issues for us.

  40. Before one can say a policy “does not work”, it is necessary to pin down just what exactly is trying to be accomplished.

    Ignore the official talking points of course.

  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Yes, it does sound like so much BS, just like the use of the word "homophobe". Most of the men I knew that were "homophobic" weren't scared of gays, they were disgusted by them. I really doubt more than a small percentage of straights are into that sort of thing.

    ” … just like the use of the word “homophobe”. Most of the men I knew that were “homophobic” weren’t scared of gays, they were disgusted by them.”

    This is a great point. And it’s not about personally disliking people who happen to be gay, but feeling disgust for gay sex. Fear of gays doesn’t have much to do with it.

    • Replies: @Muse
    Homophobic = Not being afraid of homosexuals - afraid of being identified as a homosexual.
    , @ben tillman

    This is a great point. And it’s not about personally disliking people who happen to be gay, but feeling disgust for gay sex. Fear of gays doesn’t have much to do with
    it.
     
    Why are you taking this term so seriously, as if it had been coined in good faith? It has always been intended solely to shape, not describe, reality.
  42. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon
    The actions of the overclass are consistent with the thesis that they wish to ultimately usher in a new age of feudalism - a social arrangement in which they are the lords and the rest of us are serfs. And the reason why we need to be serfs (in their view) is that only when the many are serfs, can the lords truly be lords.

    “And the reason why we need to be serfs (in their view) is that only when the many are serfs, can the lords truly be lords.”

    I don’t understand this strong desire to be lords. Sure, it’s nice to be on top, but you can be on top without having everyone beneath you crushed under your thumb.

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    "I don’t understand this strong desire to be lords. Sure, it’s nice to be on top, but you can be on top without having everyone beneath you crushed under your thumb."

     

    My dear Anonymous, it seems you're ignorant of the point. It's as George Orwell wrote:

    "Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
     
  43. OT (sorry). Easy quiz of the day: who was the NYT article, that contained these words, referring to? (No fair to use Google.)

    The honest answer is we don’t know why a 20-something Briton with a degree in computer engineering or a young Frenchman from a Norman village reaches a psychological tipping-point.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    I used Google, but then, I'm not interested in the prize.

    This article should be read in conjunction with an article by a diplomat "Anonymous" at the NYRB (nybooks.com) which I read yesterday. No gateway to that article.
    , @reiner Tor
    Honest (no google) guess: Islamist terrorists?
    , @Mr. Anon
    It obviously refers to people who are neither actual Britons or Frenchmen.
  44. @AndrewR
    "According to Ward, this behavior is very much tied to their white privilege, heteronormativety and male privilege to create a nexus in which straight white men can have sex with one another and face no repercussions."

    Just another solipsistic assault against those awful Straight White Men.

    I don't recommend spending much brainpower trying to figure out why these people are singling out SWM beyond simple leftist hatred towards core groups and men

    to create a nexus

    Is that an allusion to “ripping them a new one”?

    • Replies: @iffen
    They might need a new one if the one they have gets ripped frequently.
  45. @Gato de la Biblioteca
    This is going to sound like a smart-ass comment, for which I apologize, but it isn't meant to be.

    "For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren’t in their league and they’re going to keep doing what they’ve been doing and they’re going to keep winning."

    What difference, at this point, would it make if we had commented, either on the post or on Twitter? The comments may or may not be 'disappeared', but getting blocked and muted on Twitter is almost a certainty. It's not like these folks don't know of the intensity of the feelings of the majority on this issue.

    For example, the NYTs ran an article on Disney and SCE dumping IT workers in the USA and replacing them with H-1B imports. The comments were extremely passionate, very anti-H-1B and anti-corporate, and largely anti-immigration in general. The NYTs even ran an article a few days later, on page 1 of the print edition, I believe, reporting on the reaction in the comment section to the first article. Has the NYTs changed its position on open borders even one lick since then? Are they ever likely to do so?

    I will confess to defeatism on this issue. I've been following politics for 35 years now, and as I've grown older I've realized that there are two factions in the country: the rulers and their minions, aspirants, and useful idiots; and the rest of us. There is infighting amongst the rulers as to how to divide up the spoils, but when it comes down to it that ruling class is uniformly against the majority of the country and exclusively for their own benefit - and THEY see it as a zero sum game.

    I've seen political insurgencies come and go. Reagan looked like an insurgency, once, but it turns out he was just in favor of Wall Street raping the country financially while opening up the borders a bit more.

    Perot WAS an insurgency. He made a splash in 1992, but by 1996 and 2000 the ripples had died away. (Wasn't it discussed here that Romney lost in 2012 precisely because he did worse than expected in counties which had shown strong Perot support in 1992?)

    The Tea Parties were, at their core, insurgent against the ruling class, but they've been so easily co-opted that it isn't even funny. (And it was pretty obvious from the get go that they would be easily co-opted.) The Occupy Movement was a joke.

    And now, The Donald and Bernie Show. A look at the records of each shows that if they somehow do get elected President they're likely to go back to being the open borders guys everyone else in The Establishment.

    So I don't think adding my voice, or even a few voices, or even a huge numbers of voices to the online din will make a difference. If Perot, with his billions and his desire and the support of 19,743,821 voters couldn't make a difference, what hope have we now, after 23 years of additional, and accelerated, rot?

    Again, apologies for the sour tone.

    No need to apologize for anything. If we can’t acknowledge what’s going on, we can’t possibly respond appropriately.

    The masses will end up voting into office the same old, same old. And while that annoys and angers many people, none of us want to do anything about it – not just in the sense of possibly trying to change the system, but even in terms of simply escaping the system and going elsewhere. We have no hope we can change things, we have no hope we can escape our situation.

  46. @International Jew
    OT (sorry). Easy quiz of the day: who was the NYT article, that contained these words, referring to? (No fair to use Google.)

    The honest answer is we don’t know why a 20-something Briton with a degree in computer engineering or a young Frenchman from a Norman village reaches a psychological tipping-point.
     

    I used Google, but then, I’m not interested in the prize.

    This article should be read in conjunction with an article by a diplomat “Anonymous” at the NYRB (nybooks.com) which I read yesterday. No gateway to that article.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    "Not interested in the prize", hmm, that's quite harsh.

    Anyhow, this must be the article you mentioned:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/aug/13/mystery-isis/
    It looks interesting.
  47. @International Jew
    The Supreme Court would surely rule your idea unconstitutional, were it ever enacted into law.

    Good luck finding someone neutral to judge whether a project’s description is accurate.

  48. @Olorin
    While I align 100% with what Mr. Sailer is saying (being let's say not ignorant of the methods and management of social "science" research or public policy)...

    ...the problem here is that while the effect of these efforts is experimentation, the intent of them is solely an exercise of political and economic power.

    Example: consider the billions of dollars spent by lefty billionaires and left-slanty "philanthropic foundations" to push policy in a direction they like. Do you think they care one whit about the outcomes of this social tinkering? No. They care about inflicting their view of the world on everyone and forcing submission to it. It is not an exercise in praxis or empiricism. It's an exercise in religio-social ideology.

    It's allied to Joel Kotkin's recent observations on how the power elites are trying to force Americans to change their mind about the way the majority of them choose and wish to live (in suburbia). Readers who missed that can check out his blog, his name dot com.

    Quite often, the whole disagreement about a policy is about what the effects will be. If we abolish the Fed and go on a gold standard, what will the effects of that be? Paul Krugman has a different prediction there from Ron Paul, and their different predictions lead to different policy prescriptions. Similarly, Tyler Cowan and Jason Richwine have different immigration policies at least partly because they have different predictions about the consequences of open borders.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Similarly, Tyler Cowan and Jason Richwine have different immigration policies at least partly because they have different predictions about the consequences of open borders.
     
    But Cowan's predictions are demonstrably wrong. That's another way of saying that his predictions aren't a cause of his immigration policies (or anything else); they're the result of something. And that something causes both his predictions and his immigration policies.
  49. I just got back from a big statistics conference in which one of the sessions was entitled “Has Informed Consent Outlived its Usefulness?” I wonder how the academic left stands on that question. Or maybe I don’t.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "I just got back from a big statistics conference in which one of the sessions was entitled “Has Informed Consent Outlived its Usefulness?”"

    Interesting. I always thought the reason for informed consent was that it was the ethical thing to do, not necessarily useful. Modern society seems to be getting increasingly and explicitly amoral.
  50. @anonymous
    It's clear they consider the citizenry to be mere guinea pigs, things to be manipulated at will. The attitude of contempt is clear. But when they start their next war they'll expect the same people to suddenly feel real patriotic and come rushing forward to volunteer themselves for something that gains them nothing.

    Heartiste calls it top-down patriotism. You have to support the troops, the veterans and the MIC*, or else you get the treatment. The p.r. campaign works remarkably well, but there are cracks forming. Trump doesn’t wholly buy into it, given his remarks on McCain.

    *In post-industrial America should we rename it to military-financial complex?

  51. @Gato de la Biblioteca
    This is going to sound like a smart-ass comment, for which I apologize, but it isn't meant to be.

    "For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren’t in their league and they’re going to keep doing what they’ve been doing and they’re going to keep winning."

    What difference, at this point, would it make if we had commented, either on the post or on Twitter? The comments may or may not be 'disappeared', but getting blocked and muted on Twitter is almost a certainty. It's not like these folks don't know of the intensity of the feelings of the majority on this issue.

    For example, the NYTs ran an article on Disney and SCE dumping IT workers in the USA and replacing them with H-1B imports. The comments were extremely passionate, very anti-H-1B and anti-corporate, and largely anti-immigration in general. The NYTs even ran an article a few days later, on page 1 of the print edition, I believe, reporting on the reaction in the comment section to the first article. Has the NYTs changed its position on open borders even one lick since then? Are they ever likely to do so?

    I will confess to defeatism on this issue. I've been following politics for 35 years now, and as I've grown older I've realized that there are two factions in the country: the rulers and their minions, aspirants, and useful idiots; and the rest of us. There is infighting amongst the rulers as to how to divide up the spoils, but when it comes down to it that ruling class is uniformly against the majority of the country and exclusively for their own benefit - and THEY see it as a zero sum game.

    I've seen political insurgencies come and go. Reagan looked like an insurgency, once, but it turns out he was just in favor of Wall Street raping the country financially while opening up the borders a bit more.

    Perot WAS an insurgency. He made a splash in 1992, but by 1996 and 2000 the ripples had died away. (Wasn't it discussed here that Romney lost in 2012 precisely because he did worse than expected in counties which had shown strong Perot support in 1992?)

    The Tea Parties were, at their core, insurgent against the ruling class, but they've been so easily co-opted that it isn't even funny. (And it was pretty obvious from the get go that they would be easily co-opted.) The Occupy Movement was a joke.

    And now, The Donald and Bernie Show. A look at the records of each shows that if they somehow do get elected President they're likely to go back to being the open borders guys everyone else in The Establishment.

    So I don't think adding my voice, or even a few voices, or even a huge numbers of voices to the online din will make a difference. If Perot, with his billions and his desire and the support of 19,743,821 voters couldn't make a difference, what hope have we now, after 23 years of additional, and accelerated, rot?

    Again, apologies for the sour tone.

    You have nothing to apologize for. You’ve got an honest and realistic assessment of the situation.

  52. That seems like the difference between patriotism and support-the-powerful-ism. The powerful *always* feel that they and their instruments of power are due a great deal of deference. But kissing up to the powerful has little to do with actual patriotism.

  53. @International Jew
    OT (sorry). Easy quiz of the day: who was the NYT article, that contained these words, referring to? (No fair to use Google.)

    The honest answer is we don’t know why a 20-something Briton with a degree in computer engineering or a young Frenchman from a Norman village reaches a psychological tipping-point.
     

    Honest (no google) guess: Islamist terrorists?

  54. Here is how an ad for open borders would sound if it had the FDA-required warnings.

    Tired of the lack of vibrancy in your neighborhood? Economy in a slump? Like to grow the GDP? Ask your representative about OpenBorders. OpenBorders is the solution recommended by the Chambers of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal, war hero John McCain, the Democratic Party, the entire mainstream media, the Catholic Church, and every billionaire except Donald Trump.

    [FAST VOICEOVER] Be sure to consult Ann Coulter, Steve Sailer, and VDare-dot-com before voting for OpenBorders. OpenBorders has been known to cause social fragmentation and lower PISA scores. OpenBorders also contributes to graffiti, littering, high unemployment, teenaged pregnancy, lack of academic achievement, increased crime, loud annoying music, and spread of hitherto-unknown diseases. Open Borders has also been shown to increase likelihood of domestic terrorism. OpenBorders accelerates depletion of limited resources. Open Borders has been shown to increase strain of the social safety net, occasionally resulting in municipal and state bankruptcy. Other known side effects include increased irritability, fatigue, and inability to communicate with your fellow citizens. Contact your representative if your high unemployment lasts more than seven years. He will instruct you to seek job retraining.[END FAST VOICEOVER]

    Ask your representative if Open Borders is right for you!

    • Replies: @NOTA
    +1
    , @SPMoore8
    Beautifully done! References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit, but reference to "suicidal thoughts or actions" most definitely could have been slipped in there. ;-)
    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Someone seriously needs to do a recording of this, Viagra-commercial style!
    , @ben tillman
    That was pretty good, except that you left out the part about your people being wiped off the face of the Earth.
  55. @Melendwyr
    Alas, as was noted above, while we don't have political 'informed consent' we do have elections. And it seems the masses DO consent, because they have supported and are continuing to support the sorts of people who are responsible for the status quo.

    The trouble with democracy is that it gives everyone the government the majority deserves.

    The electorate provide uninformed consent through election.

  56. @Harry Baldwin
    Here is how an ad for open borders would sound if it had the FDA-required warnings.

    Tired of the lack of vibrancy in your neighborhood? Economy in a slump? Like to grow the GDP? Ask your representative about OpenBorders. OpenBorders is the solution recommended by the Chambers of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal, war hero John McCain, the Democratic Party, the entire mainstream media, the Catholic Church, and every billionaire except Donald Trump.

    [FAST VOICEOVER] Be sure to consult Ann Coulter, Steve Sailer, and VDare-dot-com before voting for OpenBorders. OpenBorders has been known to cause social fragmentation and lower PISA scores. OpenBorders also contributes to graffiti, littering, high unemployment, teenaged pregnancy, lack of academic achievement, increased crime, loud annoying music, and spread of hitherto-unknown diseases. Open Borders has also been shown to increase likelihood of domestic terrorism. OpenBorders accelerates depletion of limited resources. Open Borders has been shown to increase strain of the social safety net, occasionally resulting in municipal and state bankruptcy. Other known side effects include increased irritability, fatigue, and inability to communicate with your fellow citizens. Contact your representative if your high unemployment lasts more than seven years. He will instruct you to seek job retraining.[END FAST VOICEOVER]

    Ask your representative if Open Borders is right for you!
     

    +1

  57. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT - more first world problems

    "Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? "

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

    I must say I didn't know this was a thing. Are US whites really on the downlow in plain view? Sounds like a bad case of wish fulfilment to me.

    “Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences?

    Why would they WANT to?!?

    1) If you’re having sex with other men (unless its rape, or perhaps being done for ulterior motives), you ain’t “straight.”

    2) Unless (maybe) you’re hanging out with Millennial dudes, or academic-types, there will* be social repercussions.

    *Today, those would probably consist mostly of laughter and mockery, and maybe a few less social invitations being extended. In the not-too-distant past, they would have been much more severe.

  58. “Imaginary Jewish name” LOL

  59. @Nigel Frothingbash
    We may not have informed consent regarding government social engineering projects but we do have elections.

    No you have selections between very very carefully chosen placeholders.

    Charles Burris looks at the scam:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/insurgents-versus-party-regulars/

  60. @Harry Baldwin
    Here is how an ad for open borders would sound if it had the FDA-required warnings.

    Tired of the lack of vibrancy in your neighborhood? Economy in a slump? Like to grow the GDP? Ask your representative about OpenBorders. OpenBorders is the solution recommended by the Chambers of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal, war hero John McCain, the Democratic Party, the entire mainstream media, the Catholic Church, and every billionaire except Donald Trump.

    [FAST VOICEOVER] Be sure to consult Ann Coulter, Steve Sailer, and VDare-dot-com before voting for OpenBorders. OpenBorders has been known to cause social fragmentation and lower PISA scores. OpenBorders also contributes to graffiti, littering, high unemployment, teenaged pregnancy, lack of academic achievement, increased crime, loud annoying music, and spread of hitherto-unknown diseases. Open Borders has also been shown to increase likelihood of domestic terrorism. OpenBorders accelerates depletion of limited resources. Open Borders has been shown to increase strain of the social safety net, occasionally resulting in municipal and state bankruptcy. Other known side effects include increased irritability, fatigue, and inability to communicate with your fellow citizens. Contact your representative if your high unemployment lasts more than seven years. He will instruct you to seek job retraining.[END FAST VOICEOVER]

    Ask your representative if Open Borders is right for you!
     

    Beautifully done! References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit, but reference to “suicidal thoughts or actions” most definitely could have been slipped in there. 😉

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    Generally, more diversity via immigration lowers the quality of white communities but raises the quality of black communities.

    It's like a half-dry towel will wet a dry person and dry a wet person.

    So, maybe the rule should be immigration only to black parts of America. Detroit can't do worse with immigrants. But I don't see how a white city would do better with massive immigration.
    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit....

    Who says? We're already getting whooping cough and drug resistant TB, why not some other bad stuff? Are they washing their hands before working in the kitchen? Will mass immigration lead to break downs in basic sanitation, leading to cholera outbreaks? I see no reason not to mention it, although "anal leakage" might be funnier.
    , @Percy Gryce
    "Oily discharge" is my favorite TV-friendly pharmaceutical-ad side effect.
  61. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chicago-tribune-hurricane-katrina

    Wink, wink, we know what this is really about.

    Katrina ‘saved’ and ‘revitalized’ New Orleans because the flood swept out many Negroes, thus leading to gentrification of the city and even conviction of its mayor.
    It broke the black political machine and drove out many blacks.

    How nice for gentrifiers if a giant storm were to hit Chicago? Those with money would rebuild the city in their own fashion while the evacuated blacks would be settled elsewhere, never to return.

    There is still Hurricane Guillermo. Bring in tons of Mexers and fill them in cities to work at low-paying jobs.

  62. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @SPMoore8
    Beautifully done! References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit, but reference to "suicidal thoughts or actions" most definitely could have been slipped in there. ;-)

    Generally, more diversity via immigration lowers the quality of white communities but raises the quality of black communities.

    It’s like a half-dry towel will wet a dry person and dry a wet person.

    So, maybe the rule should be immigration only to black parts of America. Detroit can’t do worse with immigrants. But I don’t see how a white city would do better with massive immigration.

  63. @Harry Baldwin
    Here is how an ad for open borders would sound if it had the FDA-required warnings.

    Tired of the lack of vibrancy in your neighborhood? Economy in a slump? Like to grow the GDP? Ask your representative about OpenBorders. OpenBorders is the solution recommended by the Chambers of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal, war hero John McCain, the Democratic Party, the entire mainstream media, the Catholic Church, and every billionaire except Donald Trump.

    [FAST VOICEOVER] Be sure to consult Ann Coulter, Steve Sailer, and VDare-dot-com before voting for OpenBorders. OpenBorders has been known to cause social fragmentation and lower PISA scores. OpenBorders also contributes to graffiti, littering, high unemployment, teenaged pregnancy, lack of academic achievement, increased crime, loud annoying music, and spread of hitherto-unknown diseases. Open Borders has also been shown to increase likelihood of domestic terrorism. OpenBorders accelerates depletion of limited resources. Open Borders has been shown to increase strain of the social safety net, occasionally resulting in municipal and state bankruptcy. Other known side effects include increased irritability, fatigue, and inability to communicate with your fellow citizens. Contact your representative if your high unemployment lasts more than seven years. He will instruct you to seek job retraining.[END FAST VOICEOVER]

    Ask your representative if Open Borders is right for you!
     

    Someone seriously needs to do a recording of this, Viagra-commercial style!

  64. @SPMoore8
    Beautifully done! References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit, but reference to "suicidal thoughts or actions" most definitely could have been slipped in there. ;-)

    References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit….

    Who says? We’re already getting whooping cough and drug resistant TB, why not some other bad stuff? Are they washing their hands before working in the kitchen? Will mass immigration lead to break downs in basic sanitation, leading to cholera outbreaks? I see no reason not to mention it, although “anal leakage” might be funnier.

    • Replies: @JSM
    Mexicans in the fields often defecate *in the fields*. (Then, of course, they don't wash their hands.) The irrigation system spreads the feces and its bacterial load onto the crops, which are picked (by unwashed hands) and imported into US. Here's a recent article why FDA is banning importation from Mexico of some cilantro for this very reason.


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/health/mexico-cilantro/

    QUOTE: From 2012 to 2015, 11 farms and packing houses that produce cilantro in the state of Puebla have been inspected by the FDA and Mexican regulators. Five of them have been directly linked to the parasite, and eight had "objectionable conditions," the FDA said.

    Investigators found human feces and toilet paper in and around growing fields, and restrooms without running water, soap and toilet paper. Plastic crates and tables used to sort and transport cilantro were unwashed. One farm's holding tank used to provide water to employees to wash their hands at the bathrooms tested positive for Cyclospora cayetanensis.

    The FDA will not allow fresh cilantro from Mexico grown outside of Puebla to enter the U.S. from April 1 through August 31 without proper growing documents.

    http://www.expressnews.com/food/columnists/richard_a_marini/article/Cilantro-ban-spotlights-conditions-6444851.php The FDA’s visits to several farms in the region found conditions ripe for growing not only cilantro, but also cyclospora cayetanensis, a nasty parasite that can cause severe, prolonged diarrhea.


    If Mexican farm workers will go poopy out in the open in Mexican fields and not wash their hands, they will do it in US.

  65. Well polio vaccination was a seen as a risk worth taking, although it could have easily caused something far worse than polio as a few qualified people warned (it apparently didn’t but could have caused the AIDs epidemic).

    Immigration is more like fluoridation than medical experiments. Immigration opponents are like the toothless who want to stop fluoridation, something that is not seen as affecting them, but a tremendous benefit for others. Moreover global utility consideration for the world economy and the competitiveness of countries, though seemingly contradictory, are taken as conclusive evidence by economists, and super-rich bastards. Every single billionaire in US want more immigration.

    The maim problem is the people that matter genuinely don’t think the HBD angle is anything to do with western countries’ dominance. It’s supposed to be democratic values, plus immigrants.

  66. @SPMoore8
    Beautifully done! References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit, but reference to "suicidal thoughts or actions" most definitely could have been slipped in there. ;-)

    “Oily discharge” is my favorite TV-friendly pharmaceutical-ad side effect.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Oily Discharge sounds like he'd tour with Wavy Gravy, or be a bandmate of Captain Beefheart.
  67. @Anonymous
    " ... just like the use of the word “homophobe”. Most of the men I knew that were “homophobic” weren’t scared of gays, they were disgusted by them."

    This is a great point. And it's not about personally disliking people who happen to be gay, but feeling disgust for gay sex. Fear of gays doesn't have much to do with it.

    Homophobic = Not being afraid of homosexuals – afraid of being identified as a homosexual.

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Not according to the dictionaries. Here's one:

    Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
    : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
  68. A mini-conspiracy theory.

    Sailersphere is considered to be a ‘white interest’ site, but I think most readers/commentators are blacks in Crown Heights.

    It’s the protocols of blacks of Crown Heights.

  69. @International Jew

    to create a nexus
     
    Is that an allusion to "ripping them a new one"?

    They might need a new one if the one they have gets ripped frequently.

  70. @Percy Gryce
    "Oily discharge" is my favorite TV-friendly pharmaceutical-ad side effect.

    Oily Discharge sounds like he’d tour with Wavy Gravy, or be a bandmate of Captain Beefheart.

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
  71. @SPMoore8
    I used Google, but then, I'm not interested in the prize.

    This article should be read in conjunction with an article by a diplomat "Anonymous" at the NYRB (nybooks.com) which I read yesterday. No gateway to that article.

    “Not interested in the prize”, hmm, that’s quite harsh.

    Anyhow, this must be the article you mentioned:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/aug/13/mystery-isis/
    It looks interesting.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    “Not interested in the prize”, hmm, that’s quite harsh. Not meant that way. I'm in my '60's, I've got everything I could ever want, except the time to enjoy it in. Which raises the idea of what retirement will be like: Will the absence of labor encourage me to waste my leisure, and not enjoy it, or is the key to have just enough obligations to allow you to enjoy and use it to maximum advantage?

    ISIS sounds partly like a PR campaign and partly like a suicidal death cult. That is depressing.
  72. @Anonymous
    "And the reason why we need to be serfs (in their view) is that only when the many are serfs, can the lords truly be lords."

    I don't understand this strong desire to be lords. Sure, it's nice to be on top, but you can be on top without having everyone beneath you crushed under your thumb.

    “I don’t understand this strong desire to be lords. Sure, it’s nice to be on top, but you can be on top without having everyone beneath you crushed under your thumb.”

    My dear Anonymous, it seems you’re ignorant of the point. It’s as George Orwell wrote:

    “Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    That is exactly the quote I had in mind.
    , @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Yes, but sometimes it is difficult for the non-pathological personality to get into a pathological mindset.
  73. @International Jew
    OT (sorry). Easy quiz of the day: who was the NYT article, that contained these words, referring to? (No fair to use Google.)

    The honest answer is we don’t know why a 20-something Briton with a degree in computer engineering or a young Frenchman from a Norman village reaches a psychological tipping-point.
     

    It obviously refers to people who are neither actual Britons or Frenchmen.

    • Agree: International Jew
  74. @George
    I just got back from a big statistics conference in which one of the sessions was entitled "Has Informed Consent Outlived its Usefulness?" I wonder how the academic left stands on that question. Or maybe I don't.

    “I just got back from a big statistics conference in which one of the sessions was entitled “Has Informed Consent Outlived its Usefulness?””

    Interesting. I always thought the reason for informed consent was that it was the ethical thing to do, not necessarily useful. Modern society seems to be getting increasingly and explicitly amoral.

  75. @Auntie Analogue

    "I don’t understand this strong desire to be lords. Sure, it’s nice to be on top, but you can be on top without having everyone beneath you crushed under your thumb."

     

    My dear Anonymous, it seems you're ignorant of the point. It's as George Orwell wrote:

    "Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
     

    That is exactly the quote I had in mind.

  76. @International Jew
    "Not interested in the prize", hmm, that's quite harsh.

    Anyhow, this must be the article you mentioned:
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/aug/13/mystery-isis/
    It looks interesting.

    “Not interested in the prize”, hmm, that’s quite harsh. Not meant that way. I’m in my ’60’s, I’ve got everything I could ever want, except the time to enjoy it in. Which raises the idea of what retirement will be like: Will the absence of labor encourage me to waste my leisure, and not enjoy it, or is the key to have just enough obligations to allow you to enjoy and use it to maximum advantage?

    ISIS sounds partly like a PR campaign and partly like a suicidal death cult. That is depressing.

  77. @Gato de la Biblioteca
    This is going to sound like a smart-ass comment, for which I apologize, but it isn't meant to be.

    "For a tangible example, after leaving the comment on the @IlanBrat post I sent him a few tweets. Did anyone here attempt to contact him or help with my attempts to contact him? Did anyone here do anything similar? If not, then you aren’t in their league and they’re going to keep doing what they’ve been doing and they’re going to keep winning."

    What difference, at this point, would it make if we had commented, either on the post or on Twitter? The comments may or may not be 'disappeared', but getting blocked and muted on Twitter is almost a certainty. It's not like these folks don't know of the intensity of the feelings of the majority on this issue.

    For example, the NYTs ran an article on Disney and SCE dumping IT workers in the USA and replacing them with H-1B imports. The comments were extremely passionate, very anti-H-1B and anti-corporate, and largely anti-immigration in general. The NYTs even ran an article a few days later, on page 1 of the print edition, I believe, reporting on the reaction in the comment section to the first article. Has the NYTs changed its position on open borders even one lick since then? Are they ever likely to do so?

    I will confess to defeatism on this issue. I've been following politics for 35 years now, and as I've grown older I've realized that there are two factions in the country: the rulers and their minions, aspirants, and useful idiots; and the rest of us. There is infighting amongst the rulers as to how to divide up the spoils, but when it comes down to it that ruling class is uniformly against the majority of the country and exclusively for their own benefit - and THEY see it as a zero sum game.

    I've seen political insurgencies come and go. Reagan looked like an insurgency, once, but it turns out he was just in favor of Wall Street raping the country financially while opening up the borders a bit more.

    Perot WAS an insurgency. He made a splash in 1992, but by 1996 and 2000 the ripples had died away. (Wasn't it discussed here that Romney lost in 2012 precisely because he did worse than expected in counties which had shown strong Perot support in 1992?)

    The Tea Parties were, at their core, insurgent against the ruling class, but they've been so easily co-opted that it isn't even funny. (And it was pretty obvious from the get go that they would be easily co-opted.) The Occupy Movement was a joke.

    And now, The Donald and Bernie Show. A look at the records of each shows that if they somehow do get elected President they're likely to go back to being the open borders guys everyone else in The Establishment.

    So I don't think adding my voice, or even a few voices, or even a huge numbers of voices to the online din will make a difference. If Perot, with his billions and his desire and the support of 19,743,821 voters couldn't make a difference, what hope have we now, after 23 years of additional, and accelerated, rot?

    Again, apologies for the sour tone.

    midtown: my advice for those who don’t tweet is to spend the less than five minutes it takes to create a bogus email account and use that to create a Twitter account. There are people in India right now creating PVAs, and if they can do it so can you.

    Gato de la Biblioteca: you’re doing it wrong. As I’ve said and as Trump has since said, you need leverage. If you send an angry letter to the WSJ, they aren’t going to change their coverage. However, if their writers know that writing lies will result in them being discredited to the NYT audience, you’ll have power over them and can make them change what they do. Sites like NewsBusters, Breitbart, etc. can be ignored by the NYT because those sites only appeal to r/w’ers and their coverage consists of “look what our opponents are doing to us again” rather than “for those in the NYT audience, here’s how this specific writer isn’t credible”.

    If a hundred people just occasionally helped with my campaigns in the way I want them implemented, we could have a very strong impact.

  78. @Muse
    Homophobic = Not being afraid of homosexuals - afraid of being identified as a homosexual.

    Not according to the dictionaries. Here’s one:

    Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
    : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

  79. @Auntie Analogue

    "I don’t understand this strong desire to be lords. Sure, it’s nice to be on top, but you can be on top without having everyone beneath you crushed under your thumb."

     

    My dear Anonymous, it seems you're ignorant of the point. It's as George Orwell wrote:

    "Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power."
     

    Yes, but sometimes it is difficult for the non-pathological personality to get into a pathological mindset.

  80. @Harry Baldwin
    Here is how an ad for open borders would sound if it had the FDA-required warnings.

    Tired of the lack of vibrancy in your neighborhood? Economy in a slump? Like to grow the GDP? Ask your representative about OpenBorders. OpenBorders is the solution recommended by the Chambers of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal, war hero John McCain, the Democratic Party, the entire mainstream media, the Catholic Church, and every billionaire except Donald Trump.

    [FAST VOICEOVER] Be sure to consult Ann Coulter, Steve Sailer, and VDare-dot-com before voting for OpenBorders. OpenBorders has been known to cause social fragmentation and lower PISA scores. OpenBorders also contributes to graffiti, littering, high unemployment, teenaged pregnancy, lack of academic achievement, increased crime, loud annoying music, and spread of hitherto-unknown diseases. Open Borders has also been shown to increase likelihood of domestic terrorism. OpenBorders accelerates depletion of limited resources. Open Borders has been shown to increase strain of the social safety net, occasionally resulting in municipal and state bankruptcy. Other known side effects include increased irritability, fatigue, and inability to communicate with your fellow citizens. Contact your representative if your high unemployment lasts more than seven years. He will instruct you to seek job retraining.[END FAST VOICEOVER]

    Ask your representative if Open Borders is right for you!
     

    That was pretty good, except that you left out the part about your people being wiped off the face of the Earth.

  81. @NOTA
    Quite often, the whole disagreement about a policy is about what the effects will be. If we abolish the Fed and go on a gold standard, what will the effects of that be? Paul Krugman has a different prediction there from Ron Paul, and their different predictions lead to different policy prescriptions. Similarly, Tyler Cowan and Jason Richwine have different immigration policies at least partly because they have different predictions about the consequences of open borders.

    Similarly, Tyler Cowan and Jason Richwine have different immigration policies at least partly because they have different predictions about the consequences of open borders.

    But Cowan’s predictions are demonstrably wrong. That’s another way of saying that his predictions aren’t a cause of his immigration policies (or anything else); they’re the result of something. And that something causes both his predictions and his immigration policies.

  82. @Anonymous
    " ... just like the use of the word “homophobe”. Most of the men I knew that were “homophobic” weren’t scared of gays, they were disgusted by them."

    This is a great point. And it's not about personally disliking people who happen to be gay, but feeling disgust for gay sex. Fear of gays doesn't have much to do with it.

    This is a great point. And it’s not about personally disliking people who happen to be gay, but feeling disgust for gay sex. Fear of gays doesn’t have much to do with
    it.

    Why are you taking this term so seriously, as if it had been coined in good faith? It has always been intended solely to shape, not describe, reality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "Why are you taking this term so seriously, as if it had been coined in good faith? It has always been intended solely to shape, not describe, reality."

    You're right, it has been intended to shape reality, but I haven't heard the disingenuousness of it called out very often (maybe never). By the way, why do you sound so snippy?
  83. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT - more first world problems

    "Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? "

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

    I must say I didn't know this was a thing. Are US whites really on the downlow in plain view? Sounds like a bad case of wish fulfilment to me.

    “Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? “

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

    Possibly the most deranged thing I’ve ever read, and that’s saying something.

    • Replies: @Rifleman

    Possibly the most deranged thing I’ve ever read, and that’s saying something.
     
    It's called "clickbait" and you went for it.

    These sites know what gets traffic/hits. The weird, outrageous, etc etc is what sells.

    You are feeding that beast.

    Steve does that too, makes a career of it with links to the NY Times and all the lesser lefty freakshows out there.
    , @Truth
    It isn't that bad, Ben. Many of the dudes she's talking about, you actually voted for.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    Possibly the most deranged thing I’ve ever read, and that’s saying something.

     

    What's deranged is that anyone would call what two men do in bed or bath "sex".

    It's called "sexual intercourse" because it's where the two sexes come together. Excuse me, meet. ("Meet". No a.) it takes two to tangle.
  84. @Steve Sailer
    This notion of "informed consent" was brought up recently by commenter Langley:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-magazine-obama-trump-and-daffy-duck/#comment-1057277

    This notion of “informed consent” was brought up recently by commenter Langley:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-magazine-obama-trump-and-daffy-duck/#comment-1057277

    I believe it originated with James Bowery, who comments here once in a while:

    http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2009/07/secession-from-slavery-to-free.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I believe it originated with James Bowery, who comments here once in a while:

    http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2009/07/secession-from-slavery-to-free.html


    Thanks, I'll add that link to the post.
  85. @ben tillman

    “Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? “

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

     

    Possibly the most deranged thing I've ever read, and that's saying something.

    Possibly the most deranged thing I’ve ever read, and that’s saying something.

    It’s called “clickbait” and you went for it.

    These sites know what gets traffic/hits. The weird, outrageous, etc etc is what sells.

    You are feeding that beast.

    Steve does that too, makes a career of it with links to the NY Times and all the lesser lefty freakshows out there.

  86. @ben tillman

    “Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? “

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

     

    Possibly the most deranged thing I've ever read, and that's saying something.

    It isn’t that bad, Ben. Many of the dudes she’s talking about, you actually voted for.

  87. RE: Consent, informed or otherwise, never being given

    The Center for Immigration Studies released a new report, based on monthly Census Bureau data, that shows the legal immigrant and illegal alien population in the second quarter of this year reached a record of 42.1 million. It has increased by 1.7 million in just the last year alone.

    According to this report, immigrants make up 13.3 percent of the nation’s total population, the highest percent in over 100 years. This increase is largely the result of a new wave of immigrants coming from Mexico. Prior research showed the net migration of immigrants coming and leaving the US from Mexico had been zero but since last year’s border surge this number is increasing rapidly.

    Mexican immigrants increased by 740,000 from 2014, accounting for 44 percent of the increase in the total immigrant population in the last year. There was also an increase of 449,000 immigrants from Latin American countries other than Mexico. The Department of Homeland Security estimates that 8 out of 10 illegal aliens are from Mexico and Latin America.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/news/new-study-shows-immigrant-population-reached-record-high-421-million

  88. The nation’s immigrant (foreign-born) population, which includes legal and illegal immigrants, grew by 4.1 million from the second quarter of 2011 to the second quarter of 2015 — 1.7 million in just the last year.

    Immigrants are 13.3 percent of the nation’s total population — the largest share in 105 years.

    Growth in the last year was led by a rebound in the number of Mexican immigrants, which increased by 740,000 from 2014 to 2015 — accounting for 44 percent of the increase in the total immigrant population in the last year.

    The total Mexican immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 12.1 million in the second quarter of 2015 — the highest quarterly total ever.

    Prior research has indicated that net migration (the number coming vs. leaving) from Mexico had fallen to zero; the recent growth indicates that the period of zero net migration has ended.

    In addition to Mexico, growth in the immigrant population was led by a 449,000 increase in the last year from countries in Latin America other than Mexico.

    The Department of Homeland Security and other researchers have estimated that eight in 10 illegal immigrants are from Mexico and Latin America, so the increase in immigrants from these countries is an indication that illegal immigration has begun growing again.

    The number of immigrants in the United States is now enormous, but it must be recognized that most immigrants, including those from Latin America, are in the country legally. Absent a change in legal immigration policy, the immigrant population will continue to increase.

    http://cis.org/Immigrant-Population-Hits-Record-Second-Quarter-2015

  89. Steve, any thoughts on the Hamilton musical?

    It does not seem accidental that “Hamilton” was created during the tenure of the first African-American President. The musical presents the birth of the nation in an unfamiliar but necessary light: not solely as the work of élite white men but as the foundational story of all Americans. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington are all played by African-Americans. Miranda also gives prominent roles to women, including Hamilton’s wife, Eliza Schuyler (Phillipa Soo), and sister-in-law, Angelica Schuyler (Renée Elise Goldsberry). When they are joined by a third sister, their zigzagging harmonies sound rather like those of Destiny’s Child. Miranda portrays the Founding Fathers not as exalted statesmen but as orphaned sons, reckless revolutionaries, and sometimes petty rivals, living at a moment of extreme volatility, opportunity, and risk. The achievements and the dangers of America’s current moment—under the Presidency of a fatherless son of an immigrant, born in the country’s island margins—are never far from view.

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/hamiltons

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/david-brooks-the-hamilton-experience.html?_r=0

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/hamiltons-lin-manuel-miranda-finding-814657

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_(musical)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Hamilton" is based on Ron Chernow's bestselling biography.
  90. @Gato de la Biblioteca
    References to explosive diarrhea as in the genre commercials admittedly would not fit....

    Who says? We're already getting whooping cough and drug resistant TB, why not some other bad stuff? Are they washing their hands before working in the kitchen? Will mass immigration lead to break downs in basic sanitation, leading to cholera outbreaks? I see no reason not to mention it, although "anal leakage" might be funnier.

    Mexicans in the fields often defecate *in the fields*. (Then, of course, they don’t wash their hands.) The irrigation system spreads the feces and its bacterial load onto the crops, which are picked (by unwashed hands) and imported into US. Here’s a recent article why FDA is banning importation from Mexico of some cilantro for this very reason.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/health/mexico-cilantro/

    QUOTE: From 2012 to 2015, 11 farms and packing houses that produce cilantro in the state of Puebla have been inspected by the FDA and Mexican regulators. Five of them have been directly linked to the parasite, and eight had “objectionable conditions,” the FDA said.

    Investigators found human feces and toilet paper in and around growing fields, and restrooms without running water, soap and toilet paper. Plastic crates and tables used to sort and transport cilantro were unwashed. One farm’s holding tank used to provide water to employees to wash their hands at the bathrooms tested positive for Cyclospora cayetanensis.

    The FDA will not allow fresh cilantro from Mexico grown outside of Puebla to enter the U.S. from April 1 through August 31 without proper growing documents.

    http://www.expressnews.com/food/columnists/richard_a_marini/article/Cilantro-ban-spotlights-conditions-6444851.php The FDA’s visits to several farms in the region found conditions ripe for growing not only cilantro, but also cyclospora cayetanensis, a nasty parasite that can cause severe, prolonged diarrhea.

    If Mexican farm workers will go poopy out in the open in Mexican fields and not wash their hands, they will do it in US.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    You know, you are actually barking up the right tree.

    When Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle", he thought he was raising awareness of the terrible conditions in which slaughterhouses and other immigrant heavy sectors were operating. Instead, the public was so disgusted with the descriptions of where their food was coming from, that the FDA was created.

    A similar novel, today, could claim to focus on the working conditions of the migrants, but present in exquisite detail what you mentioned (the defecation on the crops), as well as their brushes with gangsterism, sexual violence, familial abuse etc. It would be like a stealth attack against immigration.
    , @The most deplorable one
    They will also import all sorts of exotic diseases.
    , @The most deplorable one
    Are those the jobs Americans won't do?
  91. @ben tillman

    “Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? “

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

     

    Possibly the most deranged thing I've ever read, and that's saying something.

    Possibly the most deranged thing I’ve ever read, and that’s saying something.

    What’s deranged is that anyone would call what two men do in bed or bath “sex”.

    It’s called “sexual intercourse” because it’s where the two sexes come together. Excuse me, meet. (“Meet”. No a.) it takes two to tangle.

  92. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/quebec-bill-targets-people-who-write-against-the-islamic-religion

    “Bill 59, on which consultations are to start next week, is far more worrisome. Bill 59 assigns new powers to the Quebec Human Rights Commission (QHRC) to combat hate speech, as well as a variety of other provisions meant to protect against extremism, by censoring speech that promotes “fear of the other.” Ominously, the bill would allow the QHRC to pursue websites that in its estimation describe and denounce Islamism.”

    Will the Koran be illegal then? Somehow I think not but criticism of it will be.

  93. I agree. A great idea by Steve Sailer.

  94. Just saw this shared on twitter- it’s been shared nearly 50,000 times on Facebook.

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/03/9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals/

    Lol “white women are monsters” 36% of white on white murders by women? Not sure where they got that- seems totally made up – but the others obviously not considering percentage of population- how can people be so stupid??

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    It's magical thinking - very common among blacks.
  95. OT: The NYT has a report on working at Amazon.com:

    Working at Amazon

    So this is the brilliant, information-age globalized economy that Times worthies like Thomas Friedman promised us back in the 90s: working long hours in an unfriendly environment (complete with anonymous denunciations – sort of a SWPL version of Henry Ford’s Rouge River Plant) in order to make Jeff Bezos one of the wealthiest men in the world.

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    This is a great point. And it’s not about personally disliking people who happen to be gay, but feeling disgust for gay sex. Fear of gays doesn’t have much to do with
    it.
     
    Why are you taking this term so seriously, as if it had been coined in good faith? It has always been intended solely to shape, not describe, reality.

    “Why are you taking this term so seriously, as if it had been coined in good faith? It has always been intended solely to shape, not describe, reality.”

    You’re right, it has been intended to shape reality, but I haven’t heard the disingenuousness of it called out very often (maybe never). By the way, why do you sound so snippy?

  97. @Ace9
    Steve, this is a little off topic, but it is germane in a sense to social experiments. Your reporting on transgender experiments, and who undergoes them, namely High T, aggressive, accomplished men, reveals that the issues at stake are not motivated by psychological compulsion but rather the need of science for guinea pigs. These men are the Chuck Yeagers of the postmodern age, willing to sacrifice not just their bodies but their psyches in the name of science. Another underlying issue could be (I'm just spitballing here) a rivalry between chemists and physicists.

    These men are the Chuck Yeagers of the postmodern age, willing to sacrifice not just their bodies but their psyches in the name of science. Another underlying issue could be (I’m just spitballing here) a rivalry between chemists and physicists.

    Agreed. I riffed on this the other day. There’s a definite cyberpunk triumphalism going on here.

  98. WTF is up with the obsession with sex slavery and rape by ISIS????

    I’m against rape.

    We got a large NYT’s article on ISIS coerced sex slavery, or forced marriage, and other atrocities.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/middleeast/isis-enshrines-a-theology-of-rape.html?_r=0

    And today, an ISIS captive / western aid worker was found to have been in a forced marriage/rape. She is dead. Killed in either a Western bombing or rescue or some other way.

    I have one point.

    Why the drumbeats for another US intervention in Iraq and/or Syria? Or. What else can they be?

    Another incubator story? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)#Amnesty_International

    The number of DEATHS is far, far greater than the number of sex slavery atrocities. And, if these sexual atrocities are worse than death, then why don’t we kill the rescued survivors for their own good. The only point being that it is hard to trump simple death as a bad outcome.

    The ‘root cause’ of this is war. The Germans/Russians raped the women, executed the men, and burned the villages in World War 2 at a rate high enough that this particular atrocity would have been just another day on the Eastern Front.

    This is off topic, of course. But a narrative needs a story. Statistics or numerical context just get in the way.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "FWIW says:

    WTF is up with the obsession with sex slavery and rape by ISIS????"

    They're trying to gin up support among women for the next chapter in the endless war on terror. Their initial attempts to scare up some war fever against Assad two years ago didn't work. Then (curiously) ISIS came on the scene - a villain straight out of central casting. That ISIS quite likely has been funded by some combination of the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel is studiously ignored. But people still didn't really take the bait. So now ISIS has to be villified even more.
  99. @Anonymous
    I think this is both A) rhetorically clever esp. as aimed at the juicebox Ivy-League eager engineers & their zest for protocol; and B) a non-serious, overly legalistic plan in practice, not surprising to hear seriously offered by Sailer since he's no specialist in the area, but he should still try to have some self-awareness of positing polemical gotchas vs. useful reforms.

    btw, strong column today at TheHill.com about Philip Cafaro's book; highlights the rift between reality-based progressives and the ruling-class beauty-contest Left.

    That was an interesting book review, if you can call it that. It deserves a link:

    Sanders v. Klein on immigration: The old Left against the adolescent Left

    It was almost jarring to read such sensible writing in a “bipartisan” publication. This guy sounds like an iSteve reader. It may be an indication that the immigration issue could erupt to the center of public political discourse. Excerpt:

    … using immigration as a cheap form of foreign aid could actually make things worse globally. Mass immigration enables Third World governments to continue their chronically corruptive policies as it lets their oppressed subjects simply move elsewhere instead of rallying for much-needed domestic reforms. Despite large portions of Central America’s population now living in the US, progress toward economic justice in the region has for decades at best been flat. Expanding immigration has not and will not solve the sending-country’s problems and the migrant-waves we see today will likely only cease once the host-nation (that is, us) grows so socially stratified as a result that it begins to resemble the very sending-country itself.

    Klein should read Cafaro’s book. Like most open-borders pushers, he appears to be treating national boundaries as morally arbitrary, a topic Cafaro takes on forcefully and skilfully. Rebuking writer Martha Nussbaum, who’s [sic] take on sovereign borders is similar to Klein’s, Cafaro writes that although “arbitrary or artificial boundaries may be out of favour with the jet-setting global intelligentsia … borders remain morally relevant, because we have different and stronger responsibilities to our fellow citizens than we have to the rest of humanity.” “Limiting immigration” he writes further, “recognizes our responsibilities to poor people within our borders and to our descendants to create a more egalitarian and sustainable society.” Amen.

  100. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Steve, in 2007 you wrote, ” The message much of white America hopes to send to black America by electing Obama is: Don’t Be So Black. Act More Barack. Perhaps this explains why blacks haven’t been all that enthusiastic.”

    Republican voters are trying this again with Detroit native Dr. Ben Carson. “No more Halloween Arson, be like Carson.” http://www.amazon.com/Devils-Night-Other-Tales-Detroit-ebook/dp/B00EMXBZMI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439703674&sr=8-1&keywords=devil%27s+night+chafets

  101. It seems that the Holocaust defines Jewishness these days:

    About three-quarters (73%) of American Jews say remembering the Holocaust is an essential part of being Jewish, according to a 2013 Pew Research Center survey. Those surveyed also were asked about whether other aspects of Jewish life (such as observing Jewish law or being part of a Jewish community) were important to their Jewish identity. Only one of these eight other options, “leading an ethical life,” ranked almost as highly (69%) as “remembering the Holocaust.”

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/08/13/70-years-after-wwii-the-holocaust-is-still-very-important-to-american-jews/

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    My wife is a second-generation non-observant Jew, as I am a non-observant Catholic. When our son went to college, he was actively recruited by the Jewish fraternity. He told them he wasn't raised in any religious tradition and had no particular knowledge of, or interest in, Judaism. They told him that was by no means a disqualification as they had many members who considered themselves atheists. They assured him that if he was upset by the Holocaust, that would suffice.

    He did join the fraternity, enjoyed the fellowship, and got a free Birthright trip to Israel. He still doesn't feel Jewish, though. He just sent me "8 Experiences Everyone Has on Birthright" from Clickhole:
    http://www.clickhole.com/article/8-experiences-everyone-has-birthright-2862
  102. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    The White House seems very much invested in stirring up blacks:

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/16/something-is-sketchy-in-ferguson-tyrone-harris-bond-previously-paid-by-acornm-o-v-e/

    Is it simply to get them to turn out in big numbers on November 5, 2016 or is there something else in play?

  103. @FWIW
    WTF is up with the obsession with sex slavery and rape by ISIS????

    I'm against rape.

    We got a large NYT's article on ISIS coerced sex slavery, or forced marriage, and other atrocities.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/middleeast/isis-enshrines-a-theology-of-rape.html?_r=0

    And today, an ISIS captive / western aid worker was found to have been in a forced marriage/rape. She is dead. Killed in either a Western bombing or rescue or some other way.

    I have one point.

    Why the drumbeats for another US intervention in Iraq and/or Syria? Or. What else can they be?

    Another incubator story? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)#Amnesty_International

    The number of DEATHS is far, far greater than the number of sex slavery atrocities. And, if these sexual atrocities are worse than death, then why don't we kill the rescued survivors for their own good. The only point being that it is hard to trump simple death as a bad outcome.

    The 'root cause' of this is war. The Germans/Russians raped the women, executed the men, and burned the villages in World War 2 at a rate high enough that this particular atrocity would have been just another day on the Eastern Front.

    This is off topic, of course. But a narrative needs a story. Statistics or numerical context just get in the way.

    “FWIW says:

    WTF is up with the obsession with sex slavery and rape by ISIS????”

    They’re trying to gin up support among women for the next chapter in the endless war on terror. Their initial attempts to scare up some war fever against Assad two years ago didn’t work. Then (curiously) ISIS came on the scene – a villain straight out of central casting. That ISIS quite likely has been funded by some combination of the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel is studiously ignored. But people still didn’t really take the bait. So now ISIS has to be villified even more.

  104. @casey
    Just saw this shared on twitter- it's been shared nearly 50,000 times on Facebook.

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/03/03/9-facts-white-white-crime-far-exceeds-black-black-crime-media-conceals/

    Lol "white women are monsters" 36% of white on white murders by women? Not sure where they got that- seems totally made up - but the others obviously not considering percentage of population- how can people be so stupid??

    It’s magical thinking – very common among blacks.

  105. @syonredux
    It seems that the Holocaust defines Jewishness these days:

    About three-quarters (73%) of American Jews say remembering the Holocaust is an essential part of being Jewish, according to a 2013 Pew Research Center survey. Those surveyed also were asked about whether other aspects of Jewish life (such as observing Jewish law or being part of a Jewish community) were important to their Jewish identity. Only one of these eight other options, “leading an ethical life,” ranked almost as highly (69%) as “remembering the Holocaust.”
     
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/08/13/70-years-after-wwii-the-holocaust-is-still-very-important-to-american-jews/

    My wife is a second-generation non-observant Jew, as I am a non-observant Catholic. When our son went to college, he was actively recruited by the Jewish fraternity. He told them he wasn’t raised in any religious tradition and had no particular knowledge of, or interest in, Judaism. They told him that was by no means a disqualification as they had many members who considered themselves atheists. They assured him that if he was upset by the Holocaust, that would suffice.

    He did join the fraternity, enjoyed the fellowship, and got a free Birthright trip to Israel. He still doesn’t feel Jewish, though. He just sent me “8 Experiences Everyone Has on Birthright” from Clickhole:
    http://www.clickhole.com/article/8-experiences-everyone-has-birthright-2862

  106. @JSM
    Mexicans in the fields often defecate *in the fields*. (Then, of course, they don't wash their hands.) The irrigation system spreads the feces and its bacterial load onto the crops, which are picked (by unwashed hands) and imported into US. Here's a recent article why FDA is banning importation from Mexico of some cilantro for this very reason.


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/health/mexico-cilantro/

    QUOTE: From 2012 to 2015, 11 farms and packing houses that produce cilantro in the state of Puebla have been inspected by the FDA and Mexican regulators. Five of them have been directly linked to the parasite, and eight had "objectionable conditions," the FDA said.

    Investigators found human feces and toilet paper in and around growing fields, and restrooms without running water, soap and toilet paper. Plastic crates and tables used to sort and transport cilantro were unwashed. One farm's holding tank used to provide water to employees to wash their hands at the bathrooms tested positive for Cyclospora cayetanensis.

    The FDA will not allow fresh cilantro from Mexico grown outside of Puebla to enter the U.S. from April 1 through August 31 without proper growing documents.

    http://www.expressnews.com/food/columnists/richard_a_marini/article/Cilantro-ban-spotlights-conditions-6444851.php The FDA’s visits to several farms in the region found conditions ripe for growing not only cilantro, but also cyclospora cayetanensis, a nasty parasite that can cause severe, prolonged diarrhea.


    If Mexican farm workers will go poopy out in the open in Mexican fields and not wash their hands, they will do it in US.

    You know, you are actually barking up the right tree.

    When Upton Sinclair wrote “The Jungle”, he thought he was raising awareness of the terrible conditions in which slaughterhouses and other immigrant heavy sectors were operating. Instead, the public was so disgusted with the descriptions of where their food was coming from, that the FDA was created.

    A similar novel, today, could claim to focus on the working conditions of the migrants, but present in exquisite detail what you mentioned (the defecation on the crops), as well as their brushes with gangsterism, sexual violence, familial abuse etc. It would be like a stealth attack against immigration.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Someone tainted like Steve Sailer can't write that book and get the mainstream media to accept its conclusions. The book would either be totally ignored or used as part of an amped up treatment of his supposed racism. Is there any well-known journalist or non-fiction writer who is sympathetic to immigration skepticism but who is also considered non-threatening by media elites?
    , @SPMoore8
    A similar novel, today,: I'm thinking a Broadway musical, entitled "Montezuma's Revenge" would get the message across. I'm sure it would have a long run.

    Seriously, there have been several E. coli outbreaks associated with fast food restaurants, including Taco Bell, having to do with contaminated vegetables (usually lettuce) and sometimes meat. In all cases (of course) it points to poor sanitation somewhere in the food chain. The reason I remember the 2006 outbreak is that at first it was blamed on green onions, which are no longer on the Taco Bell menu (at least, I never see them anymore) but it turned out to be contaminated lettuce.

    A novel about the fast food industry would be -- interesting.
  107. @Romanian
    You know, you are actually barking up the right tree.

    When Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle", he thought he was raising awareness of the terrible conditions in which slaughterhouses and other immigrant heavy sectors were operating. Instead, the public was so disgusted with the descriptions of where their food was coming from, that the FDA was created.

    A similar novel, today, could claim to focus on the working conditions of the migrants, but present in exquisite detail what you mentioned (the defecation on the crops), as well as their brushes with gangsterism, sexual violence, familial abuse etc. It would be like a stealth attack against immigration.

    Someone tainted like Steve Sailer can’t write that book and get the mainstream media to accept its conclusions. The book would either be totally ignored or used as part of an amped up treatment of his supposed racism. Is there any well-known journalist or non-fiction writer who is sympathetic to immigration skepticism but who is also considered non-threatening by media elites?

  108. @Romanian
    You know, you are actually barking up the right tree.

    When Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle", he thought he was raising awareness of the terrible conditions in which slaughterhouses and other immigrant heavy sectors were operating. Instead, the public was so disgusted with the descriptions of where their food was coming from, that the FDA was created.

    A similar novel, today, could claim to focus on the working conditions of the migrants, but present in exquisite detail what you mentioned (the defecation on the crops), as well as their brushes with gangsterism, sexual violence, familial abuse etc. It would be like a stealth attack against immigration.

    A similar novel, today,: I’m thinking a Broadway musical, entitled “Montezuma’s Revenge” would get the message across. I’m sure it would have a long run.

    Seriously, there have been several E. coli outbreaks associated with fast food restaurants, including Taco Bell, having to do with contaminated vegetables (usually lettuce) and sometimes meat. In all cases (of course) it points to poor sanitation somewhere in the food chain. The reason I remember the 2006 outbreak is that at first it was blamed on green onions, which are no longer on the Taco Bell menu (at least, I never see them anymore) but it turned out to be contaminated lettuce.

    A novel about the fast food industry would be — interesting.

  109. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT - more first world problems

    "Why can straight white men have sex with men without social consequences? "

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/13/straight-white-men-sex-with-men-no-social-consequences

    I must say I didn't know this was a thing. Are US whites really on the downlow in plain view? Sounds like a bad case of wish fulfilment to me.

    If I have learned anything in my life so far, it’s that the only group of people more obsessed with touching a penis than gay men is straight ones. 

    Perhaps men, such as the author, have become so feminized that women don’t want to touch their penises.

  110. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @JSM
    Mexicans in the fields often defecate *in the fields*. (Then, of course, they don't wash their hands.) The irrigation system spreads the feces and its bacterial load onto the crops, which are picked (by unwashed hands) and imported into US. Here's a recent article why FDA is banning importation from Mexico of some cilantro for this very reason.


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/health/mexico-cilantro/

    QUOTE: From 2012 to 2015, 11 farms and packing houses that produce cilantro in the state of Puebla have been inspected by the FDA and Mexican regulators. Five of them have been directly linked to the parasite, and eight had "objectionable conditions," the FDA said.

    Investigators found human feces and toilet paper in and around growing fields, and restrooms without running water, soap and toilet paper. Plastic crates and tables used to sort and transport cilantro were unwashed. One farm's holding tank used to provide water to employees to wash their hands at the bathrooms tested positive for Cyclospora cayetanensis.

    The FDA will not allow fresh cilantro from Mexico grown outside of Puebla to enter the U.S. from April 1 through August 31 without proper growing documents.

    http://www.expressnews.com/food/columnists/richard_a_marini/article/Cilantro-ban-spotlights-conditions-6444851.php The FDA’s visits to several farms in the region found conditions ripe for growing not only cilantro, but also cyclospora cayetanensis, a nasty parasite that can cause severe, prolonged diarrhea.


    If Mexican farm workers will go poopy out in the open in Mexican fields and not wash their hands, they will do it in US.

    They will also import all sorts of exotic diseases.

  111. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @JSM
    Mexicans in the fields often defecate *in the fields*. (Then, of course, they don't wash their hands.) The irrigation system spreads the feces and its bacterial load onto the crops, which are picked (by unwashed hands) and imported into US. Here's a recent article why FDA is banning importation from Mexico of some cilantro for this very reason.


    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/health/mexico-cilantro/

    QUOTE: From 2012 to 2015, 11 farms and packing houses that produce cilantro in the state of Puebla have been inspected by the FDA and Mexican regulators. Five of them have been directly linked to the parasite, and eight had "objectionable conditions," the FDA said.

    Investigators found human feces and toilet paper in and around growing fields, and restrooms without running water, soap and toilet paper. Plastic crates and tables used to sort and transport cilantro were unwashed. One farm's holding tank used to provide water to employees to wash their hands at the bathrooms tested positive for Cyclospora cayetanensis.

    The FDA will not allow fresh cilantro from Mexico grown outside of Puebla to enter the U.S. from April 1 through August 31 without proper growing documents.

    http://www.expressnews.com/food/columnists/richard_a_marini/article/Cilantro-ban-spotlights-conditions-6444851.php The FDA’s visits to several farms in the region found conditions ripe for growing not only cilantro, but also cyclospora cayetanensis, a nasty parasite that can cause severe, prolonged diarrhea.


    If Mexican farm workers will go poopy out in the open in Mexican fields and not wash their hands, they will do it in US.

    Are those the jobs Americans won’t do?

  112. @syonredux
    Steve, any thoughts on the Hamilton musical?

    It does not seem accidental that “Hamilton” was created during the tenure of the first African-American President. The musical presents the birth of the nation in an unfamiliar but necessary light: not solely as the work of élite white men but as the foundational story of all Americans. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington are all played by African-Americans. Miranda also gives prominent roles to women, including Hamilton’s wife, Eliza Schuyler (Phillipa Soo), and sister-in-law, Angelica Schuyler (Renée Elise Goldsberry). When they are joined by a third sister, their zigzagging harmonies sound rather like those of Destiny’s Child. Miranda portrays the Founding Fathers not as exalted statesmen but as orphaned sons, reckless revolutionaries, and sometimes petty rivals, living at a moment of extreme volatility, opportunity, and risk. The achievements and the dangers of America’s current moment—under the Presidency of a fatherless son of an immigrant, born in the country’s island margins—are never far from view.
     
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/hamiltons



    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/david-brooks-the-hamilton-experience.html?_r=0

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/hamiltons-lin-manuel-miranda-finding-814657

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_(musical)

    “Hamilton” is based on Ron Chernow’s bestselling biography.

  113. @ben tillman

    This notion of “informed consent” was brought up recently by commenter Langley:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-magazine-obama-trump-and-daffy-duck/#comment-1057277

     

    I believe it originated with James Bowery, who comments here once in a while:

    http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2009/07/secession-from-slavery-to-free.html

    I believe it originated with James Bowery, who comments here once in a while:

    http://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2009/07/secession-from-slavery-to-free.html

    Thanks, I’ll add that link to the post.

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