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  1. J.Ross says:

    Wrongthink about Asians likely to survive pedantic quibbles:
    The Asian takes the map for the territory. When we see any given Chinese traffic or safety disaster webm we are almost always seeing a person who is it trying to defeat phronesis with procedure. Compare Dennis Prager’s traffic school memory: “be right, but be sure.” The Asian in the Chinese Final Destination webms is content with being right, in a world where pedestrians are always flat wrong.
    Of course whites can do this too, but massively, massively less: most white cultures discourage this mindset about as severely as many Asiatic cultures encourage it. The proper white equivalent here is the opposite error, doubting the usefulness of System and winging it.
    The Chinese in those webms are also often peasants in the city: the deathless Joe Doakes traffic safety feature reminds us that white people used to be pretty Chinese at driving until aggressive laws, midcentury conformity and a combination of well-thought-out rules with experience made us pretty good for a little bit (immigration policy will now erase this bit).
    The Asian respects superficial perfection. Coupled with censorship, Asians expect that superficial perfection is the same thing as resolving the issues they’re avoiding. Asian visuo-spatial genius provides sone downright lovely superficial perfection to be distracted by, but almost every Asian business expat story I’ve ever heard (and plenty of military history) really was just this idea. An Indian military parade, especially viewed right after the 4chan pasta about a Western guy briefly observing an Indian naval vessel during a joint exercise (which sadly I don’t have to hand, but everything can be inferred), or for that matter the Vice video of an Afghan friendly fire specialist who refuses to clear and enter a room in an exercise, rams home this idea of expertly painting a machine that isn’t plugged in.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
  2. I like the polite applause after the air force (four choppers) went by.

  3. guest says:

    Modern India has to be the least militaristic world power ever.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Romanian
    , @DB Cooper
    , @Thea
    , @sb
  4. The US upgraded their towed arty to the 155mm M777 quite a while ago. They are very light weight for the shell type and distance they shoot, more accurate, and safer, as well as needing smaller crews.

    The Indian army purchased a few to get started switching over. Their troops almost immediately blew one up. Because their main arty piece was a Bofors and the troops didn’t pay attention to the training or the manual for the 777.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  5. captflee says:

    I dunno, the Sikhs looked pretty good, at least. That dance off the Indian and Paki armies engage in nightly at the border on the Grand Trunk Road is pretty lit, though. I have to say that our forbears having booted out the Limeys so early may have resulted in our troops being rather less demonstrative on parade, for what that’s worth.

    Now, if you want scary (dot) Indians, might I propose the voracious gents from the Central Board of Indirect Taxes and Customs, no carton of Marlboros or fifth of scotch being safe when they are near. They make Nigerians, hell, Chinese look positively honest by comparison.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  6. Thea says:

    But consider that the target audience is Pakistan.

  7. I’ve seen worse marching from a Navy platoon comprised of mostly female sailors training to be corpsman.

  8. Apropos of nothing

    Was Kris Kristofferson red-pilled in 1975?

    From this song’s first verse:

    Who’da thought them Arabs would have bought the USA
    Just to give it to the Jews?

  9. INDIA SUPER POWER 2020 is apparently official, folks.

  10. Now that’s how a bunch of pencil-necked, left-leaning Hollywood actors would march in a military parade.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @donut
  11. I’m no military man, but I’d feel kind of vulnerable shooting while hanging off a long line like that. Plus that one tank looked like it was made of LEGOs. They might be a good match-up against our AA, BLTG, social experiment of a military nonetheless.

    • Replies: @mmack
    , @Milestone D
  12. Who needs an army if you’ve got Google?

    The joke here is not on Indians.

  13. My ship visited an Indian port when I was in the U.S. Navy. The afternoon when they tried to teach a bunch of the jocks on our crew cricket qualified as giggly, but the Sikh Lt. Commander with the henna red beard that substituted a turban with the INS officer’s crest pinned to the front for officer’s cap was one of the most intimidating sights you ever did see.

    Also their officers were generally more competent at basic seamanship than ours. Same was true with Malaysian officers on the Malay ship I did a brief cruise with. Third world Naval officers are generally excellent seamen because they spend their entire careers on ships, while American Naval officers have to learn to be really good at PPT warfare from spending more than half their career ashore doing staff work and spending huge amounts of their sea time doing spreadsheets.

    Of interest to iSteve readers, the one Indian port I ever got to visit was the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, which boasts a couple fantastic museums, both one dedicated to the uncontaminated tribes and one at the site of the Raj-era jail where the viceroy exiled the Indian freedom fighters he wanted separated from the mainland by 700 nautical miles and an island full of natives that can accurately be described as “murdery.”

  14. The Brits had a similar motorcycle display team, the White Helmets, no relation to the MI6 Syrian jihadi guys.

    Incidentally, you were posting the other day about Greater Manchester Police turning a blind eye to the various Muslim abuse gangs in the area?

    Well the Manchester-produced TV soap Coronation Street is featuring – guess what? Yes, a story line where a white guy is abusing a Muslim woman!

    It’s been a tough watch and Coronation Street fans say they’ve felt ‘physically sick’ watching the Geoff Metcalfe and Yasmeen Nazir storyline.

    Some viewers have reached for the off-switch and are begging for the story to come to an end while others have applauded the soap’s decision to explore the harrowing subject of coercive control.

    The soap has been praised for its realistic portrayal of the issue

    Lol. We all remember those many cases where middle-aged white men are convicted of abusing Muslim women 😉

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
  15. Ano says:

    No giggling on the India-Pakistan border Mr Sailer.
    (Sadly there is no American Wagah on the Mexican border.)

  16. Alfa158 says:

    OK. I’m not going to do it, but someone else can go ahead and post a link to Chilean military parades.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  17. BB753 says:

    Indians haven’t been good at defending their homeland from invasion: first the Aryans, then the Greeks, then the Mongols, finally the British. Not the most impressive military record. About as bad as their Olympic record.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    , @Dr Van Nostrand
  18. And now we know why Pakistan still exists despite being a fifth the size.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
  19. Altai says:

    OT: The Romance Writers of America Association is institutionally racist and not okay!

    The Romance Writers of America, one of the country’s largest writers associations, is in chaos. In late December, the RWA board made the perplexing and instantly controversial decision to censure, suspend, and ban author Courtney Milan from ever holding national office in the organization again—essentially, because she called a 20-year-old book a “fucking racist mess.” That move set off a chain of events that now threatens to rend the institution apart in a battle for the heart and soul of not just RWA, but the romance genre as a whole. It has been a spectacularly public fight, one that reflects a long, contested history of who gets to be visible in romance.

    The length of the article is… astounding. They go through the epic amounts of social media drama that only the romance genre could generate and only a Jezebel author would find compelling to detail.

    Holy… even the CNN article is of epic proportions!

    So white Anglo-Celtic women since the Bronte sisters have created a particular literary genre with it’s own tropes and aesthetic, often revolving around their own history and locations. (How many Romance novels are set in the Scottish highlands?) It becomes enormously successful and stable. Some diversity arrives and kicks it all down from the inside out.

    Here is a concise listing of Milan’s twitter sperging about a forgotten 20 year old novel.

    Milan posted screenshots from Somewhere Lies the Moon, a romance novel originally published in 1999, and explained why she thought it was a “fucking racist mess”. She noted that she had not read the entire book. One passage in the novel, Milan wrote in her original thread, suggested that no one had noticed the half-Chinese heroine’s blue eyes because “they never saw her eyes in China because she was always looking down”.

    “What is this. How did Chinese women not bump into things. How did Chinese women read. Where did she get an education if she couldn’t like, look at anything,” Milan wrote.

    In another passage, Milan wrote, characters were described as having “slanted almond eyes” and faces that were “almost yellow.”

    “As a half-Chinese person,” she wrote, “seriously fuck this.”

    So she called a 20 year old romance novel a “fucking racist mess” because the author suggested a characters unusual eye colour went mostly unnoticed because she looked at the ground a lot, like a normal author might to imply they were shy. That seems perfectly reasonable. Milan though, being a crazy person, gets triggered and seems to take this to mean the author was describing the character and all Chinese women as looking at their feet at all times.

    She then sees fairly neutral descriptions of some Chinese people and again writes like a 15 year old BPD on Tumblr “As a half-Chinese person, seriously fuck this”. Courtney Milan is 43 years old..

    Her social media sperging caused the author of the book from 20 years ago to lose some deals and significantly affected her career despite the criticisms being insane. The head union/organisation for Romance authors decided this insane unstable person should be mildly punished. This then led to a who/whom moment with all the PoCs taking Milan’s side along with many woke white members and leading them to draft the media in who would present things entirely from Milan’s perspective.

  20. @Altai

    “OT: The Romance Writers of America Association is institutionally racist and not okay!”

    Just out of interest, why did you put your OT comment in the Indian Military Parade post rather than the Stephen King post which was, like yours, about PC lit/film issues?

    • Replies: @donut
    , @donut
  21. India and China fought a hot war over their disputed border in 1962 but lately they’ve dialed it down to shouting matches and some shoving and pushing.

    India and Pakistan have a low level hot war on, all the time with a couple of dozen personnel getting killed each year in skirmishes, but ever day, at the border crossing, their hostility is more ceremonial.

    It appears that a big part of the Indian military’s peacetime outreach to the Indian public is to keep it amused, rather than impress it with fearsome might.

    They do take their martial caste and ethnicity based regiments seriously, though, with regimental histories going back to the time of Cornwallis. British officers continued to serve at general staff level in the Indian Army for several years after independence, including at the top.

  22. @Altai

    Throngs of bestselling names offered support to Milan, including romance titan Nora Roberts and esoteric Hugo Award-nominated erotica writer Chuck Tingle.

    Anyone who’s seen any of his book covers knows what a legend that man is. The RWAA is nothing without him!

  23. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Pretty sure this guy is a plant. Is this the guy/gal who used to post as “Rifleman”? Just another statist troll trying to co-opt authentic masculinity.

    Praise Vishnu, praise Jesus.

    Didn’t watch the video, but clearly the amount of dedication and discipline it took to perform that stunt in the thumbnail IS masculine, which no reasonable person would object to. If you want to see limp-wristed feminine males just look at passive aggressive little bitch Adam Schiff, who does nothing for society and envelops millions for his kith and kin, while destroying a system intended to create prosperity for the common man.

  24. Actually, the “Beating Retreat” parade/ceremony, also in connection with India’s National Day, is quite impressive–the massed bands of the Indian Army, Navy and Air Force and the massed pipes and drums of the Army as well. The array of super-colorful and varied uniforms among the Army musicians steals the show. Plenty of examples on Youtube.

    The last musical event before the conclusion is the playing of “Abide With Me,” a Christian hymn that was a favorite of Gandhi. It’s an instance of “diversity” at its most inspiring rather than merely as a bean-counting, affirmative action scam.

  25. Hodag says:

    Last time I saw that guy flying around in the parasail he was getting his ass kicked for interrupting the Holyfield-Bowe fight.

  26. Spangel says:

    Looks like the Indian military views parades as an the best opportunity they will ever get to act in a choreographed Bollywood scene. Bully for them I suppose.

    Bollywood movies are kind of an art form of theirs, and art is an expression of the self. So why shouldn’t their actual army parades resemble the army parades they would create for movies for entertainment purposes?

    • Replies: @Bubba
  27. DB Cooper says:

    Don’t be fooled by India’s incompetence. The country is a British Raj wannabe since its creation in 1947 and has invaded and land grab every single of its neighbors. Smaller neighbors of India certainly wasn’t giggly about India. They see India as a bully and a control freak and rightly so. Fifteen years before Saddam Hussein invaded and annexed Kuwait, India invaded and annexed Sikkim. Its just that the main stream media is never interested in India’s hegemonic behavior. Here is a selected list of India’s land grab since its creation in 1947:
    1947 Annexation of Kashmir:
    1949 Annexation of Manipur:
    1949 Annexation of Tripura:
    1951 Annexation of South Tibet:
    1954 Annexation of Nagaland:
    1954 Attempt annexation of Sikkim and Bhutan (Failed):
    1961 Annexation of Goa:
    1962 Annexation of Kalapani, Nepal:
    1962 Aggression against China:
    1971 Annexation of Turtuk, Pakistan:
    1972 Annexation of Tin Bigha, Bangladesh:
    1975 Annexation of Sikkim (the whole country):
    1983 (Aborted) Attempted invasion of Mauritius:
    1984 Annexation of Ladakh
    1987 Invasion of Sri Lanka
    1990 (Failed) First Attempted annexation of Bhutan:
    2006 Annexation of Duars, Bhutan:
    2013 Annexation of Moreh, Myanmar:
    2017 Aggression against China:
    2017 (Failed) Second Attempted annexation of Bhutan:
    2018 (Thwarted) Attempt invasion of the Maldives

  28. donut says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I respectfully disagree those “pencil-necked, left-leaning Hollywood actors” would only march in a gay pride parade .

  29. donut says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    I meant to post this here

    and here is another Petersen that I like :

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  30. @Lawyer Guy

    According to the folks who manufactured the defective ammunition it was attempting to fire.

  31. Hail says: • Website

    The image of India as pacifistic has got to be one of their most important exports to the West, going back to the 19th century. It serves them well in a variety of contexts. I don’t know how much it bears relation to on-the-ground reality, but we are all inclined to believe it because of generations of hearing how non-militaristic, etc., they are.

    This is also why the actions of PM Modi seldom make the news, such as his bill (now law) severely restricting the ability of foreign Muslims to acquire Indian citizenship. A mega-scale Muslim Ban, and 10x anything Tweetman has ever even seriously proposed. The cognitive dissonance between that and distant, peaceful means it gets little coverage. I don’t think Steve even blogged about the India “Muslim Citizenship Ban” when it passed last month.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Jack D
    , @guest
    , @VW
  32. DB Cooper says:

    India is a bully. Just two examples in recent years.

    1) Because of the Himalayas to the north, supplies to landlocked Nepal has to go through India. A few years ago Nepal amend to its constitution not to India’s liking and it also happen that Nepal was struck by a devastating earthquake. India exploits this natural disaster and enacted an embargo on Nepal to increase the hardship on the Nepalese to show who is the boss.

    2) Because of the hilly terrain travelling from one part of southern Bhutan to another part of southern Bhutan is very difficult without going through Indian territory. Because of this the Bhutan government plan to build a highway in the southern part of Bhutan to alleviate this situation. India see this as a move of the Bhutan government to be more self-reliant from India and tell Bhutan not to go ahead with the project. Tiny Bhutan of course is no match for the poor giant south of its border and has to acquiesce. Bhutan’s other neighbors annexed Sikkim is never far from the minds of the Bhutanese.

  33. Romanian says:

    They are one of the few post-WW2 countries to have expanded their territory militarily without getting banned from polite company.

    They call them integration of territories – various kingdoms, Portuguese colonial possessions etc.

    Pretty badass, but they do not quality as a world power. Maybe a regional one, and with qualifications, because of China.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @guest
  34. “Please to do the needful and on the quickening step, march!”

  35. DB Cooper says:

    Nonsense. The country is extremely militaristic, so militaristic that with extreme poverty the country bought a used aircraft carrier from Britain back in 1957 because nothing epitomize British power than its navy and an aircraft carrier is the most potent symbol of a navy. India, a British Raj wannabe therefore had to have one.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Lin
  36. Matra says:

    If you don’t think Indian military parades are impressive you should check out Toronto on Khalsa Day.

  37. @DB Cooper

    Couldn’t agree more!
    In the 90’s in America the “Free Tibet!” movement was all the rage. After all, a country with a billion people rolled tanks into a tiny Buddhist monastery passing itself off as a nation, pretty unsavory business, right?!?
    And yet when India annexes Sikkim, which is in every aspect identical to China/Tibet, no one cares or even notices. The amount of Beastie Boys albums dedicated to Sikkim was …o.
    It’s bizarre how well India is treated

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  38. DB Cooper says:

    The British pretty much sees India as its adopted son, and therefore never call out India.

    • Replies: @Hail
  39. The shot beginning at 0:20 made me sikh to my stomach.

    And all that pink— what would Mr Blackwell say? Pinker than Trump’s ties.

    As for South Africa… Is their national anthem now “Forever in Blue Jeans”?

  40. Bubba says:

    Looks like the Indian military views parades as an the best opportunity they will ever get to act in a choreographed Bollywood scene.

    True, but the film editors will need to increase the playback speed for their dance routines.

  41. Jack D says:

    India is a subcontinent with over a billion people (1.3 billion and counting) and is wildly diverse. So making generalizations about “Indians” is about as useful as making generalizations about “Europeans” which are supposed to apply equally to Greeks and Finns.

    Gandhi did much to sell the notion of Indians as non-violent but this one one of the great PR jobs of all times. India has a long and colorful history of violence, including Gandhi’s own violent death at the hands of a Hindu nationalist.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  42. @YetAnotherAnon

    The Detroit Police had a motorcycle stunt team back in the 1920s and ’30s. They did big rolling pyramids and even claimed a record 18 cops riding on a single bike. They rode Excelsior-Henderson DeLuxe 1300cc bikes. Detroit cops looked a little more serious than those goofy Indians.–mi-police-department.html

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @mmack
  43. @Altai

    I think this whole brew-haha would go away were each one of the romance writers involved to get her bodice ripped off by Ricardo Montleban just one time. By the way, what the hell is a bodice? What, no bras?


    No, no, no, I don’t mean ripped off, as in stolen, with them all stashed in the trunk of Mr. Montleban’s Chrysler LeBaron. You’re missing the point.

  44. Hail says: • Website
    @DB Cooper

    The influential US-centric Neocons, and more recently the China Hawks, also have no reason to put India in their grand-strategy crosshairs.

    There are people reading this who have followed right-wing talking-head and Republican Party propagandist Sean Hannity’s career over the past almost twenty-five years (back to Hannity and Colmes [1996–2009]); has Hannity ever said (much of) anything, one way or another, about India?

  45. @DB Cooper

    Where’d you stash the $200K, Cooper?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Escher
  46. DB Cooper says:

    Actually there is no comparison between India annex Sikkim and China defending its territory of Tibet. After all Tibet WAS part of China. The only similarity is the reverse PR job of inventing the China’s takeover of Tibet.

    Here is an experiment you can do. Go to Taiwan (aka Republic of China) and talk to the people there. You will find out that the Taiwan people don’t even know there is an issue of Tibet not being part of China (assuming the person you talk to is not English literate or not privy to the Western propaganda). It is a make up issue invented first by the British (the Raj was trying to land grab China’s Tibet at one time) and then later on the American. As far as they are concerned Tibet WAS (and officially still is) part of the Republic of China.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Escher
  47. @DB Cooper

    Right, so your clever test for determining the truth about allegations the Han invaded Tibet is to ask the Han what they think?

    We should probably ask the Han whether allegations they are colonising America are justified, as well: then we’ll know for sure, for instance, whether Han women farting out anchor babies in Mexinchifornia; Han people importing their decrepit parents, uncles, and aunts to milk Medicare and the Social Security Administration; Han students taking over graduate schools; and Han programmers riding the H-1B racket are bad ideas for Americans or not. Right? Right.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @DB Cooper
  48. J.Ross says:
    @Another Canadian

    Motorcycle cavalry was supposed to be a thing in the 30s; there was a Frank Capra movie where the bad guy is a wealthy cryptofascist, whose son is the captain of a motorcycle militia.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  49. Thea says:

    They played an important role in the formation of Bangladesh and ending the 1971 genocide there. Also they held Jammu & Kashmir against Pakistani attempts to take it.

  50. captflee says:

    For some strange reason that South African clip has got me thinking about Alan Coren and his “Collected Bulletins of Idi Amin” in Punch back in the 70s. Hope that doesn’t make me a bad person…heck, I understand that a copy thereof was even found by Tanzanian soldiers on the bedside table of His Excellency, President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas and Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in General and Uganda in Particular.

  51. sb says:

    Yeah -India is so unmilitaristic that it takes whatever territory it can (not against China though -the Chinese are just so much better at this kind of thing )
    When Indonesia followed the Indian precedent and took over one of Portugal’s mendicant micro ex colonies the world made a huge fuss .
    When Iraq took over a micro state (Kuwait ) the world went to war unlike when India took over Sikkim ( Sikkim has no oil )
    Some would also mention Kashmir in this conversation

    Actually India taking over Bangladesh would make geographic sense but Bangladesh is too populous ,too muslim and too poor

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  52. @Jack D

    Gandhi did much to sell the notion of Indians as non-violent but this one one of the great PR jobs of all times. India has a long and colorful history of violence, including Gandhi’s own violent death at the hands of a Hindu nationalist.

    The various powers on the subcontinent were in the process of fighting another continental-scale war when the Brits came along and snarfed up the whole neighborhood. Even if the British had not fished in troubled waters, Indians claim the Mahratta Confederacy was in the process of winning the whole enchilada. The reality, however is that these alliances were extremely unstable. And that’s not even accounting for the palace intrigues within the courts of each major player in the alliance.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
  53. mmack says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The “LEGO” tank is fitted with Reactive Armor blocks, giving it a blocky appearance:

    Laugh all you want, the Indian Army’s Russian built (or an Indian or Chinese copy) armor is still running. Looks well maintained, but I’m sure a bunch of Privates got soap, bucket, and brush duty to clean up the best running equipment for the parade.

  54. mmack says:
    @Another Canadian

    The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department has a Motorcycle Drill Team. They’d perform their routine on the main straightaway at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway during ceremonies before the start of the Indianapolis 500. I believe they still are part of the 500 Festival Parade.

    Nothing quite as festive as the Indians though. 😉

  55. DB Cooper says:

    You are right actually. Ask the Tibetans in China then (not the CIA monk China’s Ahmed Chalibi Tenzin Gyatso aka the 14th Dalai Lama). I am totally serious. Do you know what? The question has actually been asked . Here is a podcast done by Swedish and American academics that does not have an agenda on this issue:

    The main stream media of course will never report on it if it does not fit their lies and narratives.

  56. DB Cooper says:

    Actually India did take territory against China. In 1951, four years after the British Raj has departed, India invaded and annexed Tawang, South Tibet and occupy it to this day. Tawang is the birthplace of the Sixth Dalai Lama and home to a four hundred years old Tibetan monastery. The area is undisputedly historically Tibetan. The natives there are of majority Tibetan stock, like the Monpa and the Tani. The Sixth Dalai Lama was a Monpa.

    In 1987 India renamed South Tibet to the so called Arunachal Pradesh and made it a state. Both Chinese governments (mainland China and the Republic of China (aka Taiwan) vehemently protests India’s action. South Tibet officially becomes a United Nation recognized disputed territory in 2009, making India the only country in the world that is occupying two UN recognized disputed terrritory. The other being Kashmir.

    Today South Tibet is restless and India knows it. This is the reason AFSPA (Armed Force Special Power Act) is imposed on South Tibet. AFSPA dates back to the colonial times and gives the state the power to detain or kill anyone with impunity. It is a law meant to suppress dissent. It is imposed on area India deemed ‘disturbed’, such as Kashmir and South Tibet. Under AFSPA rape by Indians are not recognized as crime. And rape by Indians on the occupied Kashmir and South Tibet is rampant, which is no surprise given that India is the land of the rape.

    Here is a map published by the US National Geographic in 1912 clearly showing Tawang and South Tibet part of China. The map is zoomable and you can zoom in to the area.

    Your would never read about this in the MSM. Welcome to

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  57. DB Cooper says:

    H1-B racket are done by subcon. You drink cow piss?

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
  58. Irishman says:

    I am shocked, SHOCKED that that anyone would even think of making fun of South Africa. What we saw there was clearly the legacy of Apartheid.

  59. guest says:

    Not just hearing, but seeing. Aside from assorted border disputes, they don’t assert themselves that way.

    Take China (please). They are a major WWII battleground, became a regional power, went to war with the U.S. Had countless border disputes, etc.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @DB Cooper
  60. guest says:

    They are an economic power. The “India Market” is like the China Market, except they escaped being cut up by foreign powers.

  61. guest says:
    @DB Cooper

    We’re speaking relativistically. To whom do we compare? The U.S., Soviet Union, China, Britain, France, Israel…heck, even neighbor Pakistan beats that.

  62. DB Cooper says:

    “Had countless border disputes, etc.”

    Where did you get that from? Main stream media? China has fourteen contiguous land borders and has settled amicably twelve of them except India and Bhutan. India tightly control Bhutan’s foreign policy and does not allow Bhutan to settle its border with China, another example of India’s hegemony.

    India on the other hand has unresolved border disputes with ALL its borders.

  63. DB Cooper says:

    That’s because the shithole cannot project its power because it is too backward. But it is not because of lack of trying. The people there are too dumb but daydreaming about India being a superpower all day long. India’s immediate neighbors are all being bullied by India, especially the smaller ones.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
  64. Escher says:
    @DB Cooper

    Here is an experiment you can do. Go to Taiwan (aka Republic of China) and talk to the people there. You will find out that the Taiwan people don’t even know there is an issue of Tibet not being part of China (assuming the person you talk to is not English literate or not privy to the Western propaganda).

    I know many Taiwanese. ALL of them do not want to merge with China. They value their kidneys too much.
    This guy is a joke. Always pasting the same links over and over again from his laptop.

  65. honestly I eyeroll instinctively at most military parades. It’s a relic of a past era.

  66. @DB Cooper

    India is certainly not a superpower- Economic or military -as it’s a hodge podge of competing ethnic and sectarian groups. In good time China too will be exposed as the same.

  67. @Jack D

    Gandhi’s second in command was a certain Subhash Chandra Bose who went a different route of evicting the British by raising an army from scratch to invade India from the northeast and allied himself with Hitler and Tojo.

  68. There’s more than one video of an Indian guy in police uniform letting his performative instincts run free …

  69. VW says:

    his bill (now law) severely restricting the ability of foreign Muslims to acquire Indian citizenship

    Correction: his bill restricts the ability of foreign Muslims who illegally migrated to India before Dec 31, 2014 to acquire Indian citizenship.

    Here is the relevant extract from Wikipedia:

    The Bill amends the Citizenship Act of 1955 to give eligibility for Indian citizenship to illegal migrants who are Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan, and who entered India on or before 31 December 2014. The bill does not mention Muslims.[102][103] According to Intelligence Bureau records, the immediate beneficiaries of the Amended Act will be 31,313 people: 25,447 Hindus, 5,807 Sikhs, 55 Christians, 2 Buddhists and 2 Parsis.

    Under the Act, one of the requirements for citizenship by naturalisation is that the applicant must have resided in India during the last 12 months, and for 11 of the previous 14 years. The Bill relaxes this 11-year requirement to 5 years for persons belonging to the same six religions and three countries.

  70. @DB Cooper

    Steve. Why do you allow such trolls who are obviously Chinese hasbara?

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    , @J.Ross
  71. @Johann Ricke

    Marathas were accepted as nominal overlords but most regions maintained their autonomy. Centralizing power in India has been historically problematic. Even the Mughals outside their core territory struggled with pacifying the interiors.

    In some regions the British were considered liberators as Marathas were rather explolitative. Of course the British soon enough took a page from the maratha playbook and became a far more greedy and ruthless power.

  72. @Achmed E. Newman

    Unfortunately for him, with Bernie Madoff’s firm.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  73. @Redneck farmer

    If there ever were a time I believe there are people paid just to spread propaganda on the internet for a government, I would believe it when I read this guy’s posts, RF. He is nothing but pro-China this and pro-China that. That’s the reason he is on this thread about the Indian military. India and China have had their spats, and I doubt any normal iSteve commenter gives a rat’s ass which way they turn out.

    The reason I’ve been asking “D.B. Cooper” these questions is the same reason Allied soldiers would ask questionable combatants “who won the World Series in 1935?, etc. (Come to think of it, Steve Sailer would have been good at this!)

    Only thing is, now we have the internet, and I think this D.B.Cooper is too much of a China stooge to even understand these questions, or he’d simply look some stuff up.

    Nobody help him, please! He’s got to do this himself.

  74. Lin says:
    @DB Cooper

    The country is extremely militaristic

    That might not be the best lexical.
    Let me repeat what I said before:
    –They have very poor sense of prioritization of objectives
    **That aircraft carrier was commissioned in 1961 and the first india submarine,from Russia, was commissioned 6 years later 1967. I doubt any nation had such fetish for expensive aircraft carrier over submarines. I read through out that ship’s service life, it was generally in a poor state of readiness. It flew 8 or 16 combat missions in the 1971 war with Pakistan against targets in nowadays bangldesh; that’s all about it; considered that india has a long border with Bangladesh and those targets are within land based planes.
    (During the 1962 china-india border war, the indian army complained they had only WW1 bolt action rifles while the Chinese had semi-automatics)
    ** China has been under the nuke threat from at least one superpower so the first Chinese nuke bomb was tested in 1964. The first india nuke bomb, claimed to be a ‘peaceful’ one was tested in 1974 but they realized they were not targets of Chinese nuke so for the next 20 yrs, they didn’t attempt to weaponize their nukes. THen in 1990s, the BJP came to power and to demo ‘India shining’ they started their nuke weaponization. Pakistan felt threatened so the Paks also got their nukes. India used to have conventional military advantage over the paks and they could defeat the latter in a conventional war; now with nukes on both side, any sizable war could esculate to a nuke one or diminish indian conventional edge in strategic sense.

    Here’s another most baffling example: The fastest superpower in 2017 was either a US or Chinese machine at about 130 petaflops( 1 petaflop = 10 to power 15 operation/sec)
    Senior indian scientists claimed in 2014:
    ” Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) and the Indian Institute of Science Bangalore are expected to develop a supercomputer with 132.8 exaflops by 2017. ” (one exaflop = 1000 petaflops); That’s 1000 times faster.
    I fully understand the nationalistic aspiration of the hindutwadis but here senior indian scientists behaved as if they were internet wackos.

    • Replies: @Lin
  75. Lin says:

    Sorry for the typo

    The fastest superpower in 2017 was either a US or Chinese machine at about 130 petaflops

    Should be “The fastest supercomputer in 2017 was either a US or Chinese machine at about 130 petaflops

  76. @donut

    Is that you, Ray Brown?

    • Replies: @donut
  77. @Dr Van Nostrand

    “Steve. Why do you allow such trolls who are obviously Chinese hasbara?”

    For the same reason he allows those like you who are actual hasbara.

    • LOL: Dr Van Nostrand
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  78. @DB Cooper

    So, how are things there in ‘Pindi, DB?

    Seriously though, good rundown of info–I can see you’ve deployed that list before.

    I wouldn’t say that India’s micro-aggressions around its periphery really correspond to the world-wide smash and grab that the Brits undertook. Really, it’s more like China–1959 invasion of Tibet, desire to corral Taiwan, aggression against South Vietnam in the Paracels in 1974, aggression against Vietnam in the Spratleys in 1988, harassment of the Philippines at Scarborough Shoal, etc in recent years, invasion of Vietnam in 1978-9, provocation against the USSR in 1969 (which we now know was instigated by China, not the Russians.)

    Also kind of like Louis XIV trying to create “natural borders” for France in the late 17th and early 18th centuries or the US aggression against Spain acquire Florida and then later Spain’s Caribbean possessions.

    I mean, this is just what rising powers do–make “adjustments” along the frontiers to promote their idea of their own security. I’m not trying to justify it, but India is no worse than others.

    By the way, Pakistan’s incessant meddling in Afghanistan and subjugation of Gilgit-Balistan, repression of Baluchistan, and failed attempt to subjugate East Bengal don’t look very pretty either.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  79. Escher says:

    I thought the Indian army bikers showed pretty decent balancing and coordination skills, unlike the South African police idiots.
    Apples and oranges.

  80. Escher says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    His going rate is likely much lower.

  81. J.Ross says:
    @Dr Van Nostrand

    He overreaches (in pretending that Tibet was historically Chinese in any serious sense beyond where they paid taxes, or lacked a skull-crackingly obvious cultural autonomy now eroded by immigration) but everything he’s saying about India is totally true. India is an aggressive regional bully and they’re only in the news, if then, when they displease a Muslim. I suspect that this is less from machinations and more from the same American incuriosity which gives Indonesia a huge media blind spot.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  82. JUSA says:

    ROTFL. You can’t make this stuff up.

    But we should take comfort. These people will never mount any serious military challenge against anyone, and given that India and Africa are expected to take over the world by 2100 due to high birthrate, it is better to be entertained than terrified by them.

    On second thought, having these clowns and incompetents run the world might just turn out to be more terrifying than entertaining.

  83. @Achmed E. Newman

    The LEGO’s are reactive armor. It’s designed to explode out on impact in an attempt to cancel out the force of an inward directed shape charge.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  84. @BB753

    Haha. This narrative of Indian history being a series of invasions can be applied to pretty much every country out there. Alexander wasn’t quite defeated in India as nationalists claim but did recieve a rude enough shock to consolidate his victory and retreat and his able generals such as Seleucus Nicator were quickly either beheaded, defeated or driven out. Arabs made multiple attempts at conquering India , almost all ended in defeat. And like Greeks they had to content themselves with parts of Punjab. Also like the Greeks the Arabs had not tasted defeat till they came to India. The later Central Asians were more successful but they were against everyone. A good number of Europeans labored under Turkish yoke as well.

    Olympic success is simply a measure of government priorities in the developing world. Add to that the rampant corruption and nepotism and you have the sorry haul compared to China.

    • Replies: @Numinous
  85. @Lars Porsena

    It’s not India’s intention to annex or eliminate Pakistan. Detente is to the benefit of both nation’s or rather to the benefit of India and Pakistans current master China. So India’s military capacity or lack thereof is an non issue. It’s as silly as saying Mexico and Russia exist despite being hostile neighbors to the U.S therefore American military must be subpar.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  86. WAGA was best until today, with that S. African display they become the undisputed champions.
    I remember seeing spinning/flying American Indians on poles(with feathers) on several vacations in the American Southwest as a kid…but REAL Spinning Indians(TM)..with motorcycles? Impressive.
    Naw, S. Africa for the win, confusion beats style every time.
    But remember those Gurkhas…deadly…


  87. @Altai

    She’s a fat and dumpy Chinawoman and is jealous of a fictional Chinawoman with gorgeous blue eyes. There’s nothing more to it than whinging.

    Frankly, they wouldn’t tolerate someone like her in China – she’d be called a whale. And other things.

    And that she brought up such an obscure book in the first place meant she was probably reading it, then got triggered the female lead wasn’t also fat and ugly, causing her to dissociate and fail to identify with her.

  88. @DB Cooper

    The Sino-Indian border has been contested for a long time, it’s not as if it was an agreed frontier that India crossed.

    It’s worth reading Neville Maxwell’s “India’s China War” for a historical overview.

    The obvious Himalayan line of demarcation would be the watershed (i.e. the crest line), but China has a big practical advantage in that

    a) the Tibetan Plateau is a lot closer to the crest than the North Indian Plain

    b) the Chinese have built a lot of new roads in the area, whereas Indian troops have difficult logistical job getting there

    So in practice there are Chinese posts on the Indian side of the crest. Attacking these is not easy, to put it mildly.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  89. @Dr Van Nostrand

    Modi’s intention not to allow Muslim immigration to India is a declaration that Jinnah was right and Gandhi and Nehru were wrong, so the idea that Modi’s India would want to annex Pakistan, with its unruly tribes and 100 million Muslims, is laughable.

  90. DB Cooper says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    Just a bunch of regurgitated nonsense. Who is the biggest aggressor in the South China Sea? Vietnam.

    An excerpt:

    In 1996, Vietnam occupied 24 features in the Spratly Islands (source). At that time, according to the same source, China occupied nine. By 2015, according to the United States government, Vietnam occupied 48 features, and China occupied eight.
    On May 13, U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense, David Shear, said this to the Senate Foreign relations Committee: “Vietnam has 48 outposts; the Philippines, 8; China, 8; Malaysia, 5, and Taiwan, 1.”

    In the past 20 years, according to the United States, China has not physically occupied additional features. By contrast, Vietnam has doubled its holdings, and much of that activity has occurred recently. The Vietnamese occupations appear to have increased from 30 to 48 in the last six years.
    Shear also pointed out that as of his speech, China did not have an airfield as other claimants did. He said:
    All of these same claimants have also engaged in construction activity of differing scope and degree. The types of outpost upgrades vary across claimants but broadly are comprised of land reclamation, building construction and extension, and defense emplacements. Between 2009 and 2014, Vietnam was the most active claimant in terms of both outpost upgrades and land reclamation, reclaiming approximately 60 acres. All territorial claimants, with the exception of China and Brunei, have also already built airstrips of varying sizes and functionality on disputed features in the Spratlys.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  91. DB Cooper says:

    “The Sino-Indian border has been contested for a long time, it’s not as if it was an agreed frontier that India crossed. ”

    That’s true. The whole thing dates back to the expansionist Raj when it began to bump into China having pretty much consolidate the subcontinent. And it is precisely that there is no agreed frontier and India took the position to unilaterally declare what it claims to be its territory as final and non-negotioable and if China doesn’t agreed with India’s unilateral proclaimation that means China is the aggressor. That is the whole point.

  92. DB Cooper says:

    Depending on what you mean by historically. Tibet was part of China longer than the US is a nation.

  93. JMcG says:

    Ze Germans used tons of motorcycles in their reconnaissance and mechanized infantry units. World War II Germans, that is.

  94. MEH 0910 says:

  95. @Oscar Peterson

    There are 3-5 posters here who are definitely actual hasbara.

    But hey, gotta hustle.

    Can’t say they make the board boring.

  96. Numinous says:
    @Dr Van Nostrand

    This narrative of Indian history being a series of invasions can be applied to pretty much every country out there.

    Yeah, especially the Greeks after Alexander and until the 19th century Greek war of independence. The best outcome occurs when the invaders completely colonize the country and are then completely assimilated into the local population. This happened in England and France, creating cohesive countries that had the luxury to look outward and innovate in an effort to overcome external enemies.

  97. @DB Cooper

    “Just a bunch of regurgitated nonsense.”

    Kinda ironic that the guy who lays out a long list of articles that he has obviously used before is complaining about “regurgitation.”

    “Who is the biggest aggressor in the South China Sea? Vietnam.”

    That might be true, although the killing of dozens of Vietnamese sailors in 1988 by the PLAN during their Spratleys encounter is pretty aggressive. Still, I don’t disagree that Vietnam was building artificial islands long before China started doing it, albeit with not nearly the efficiency and speed. That China has not occupied new features in the last 20 years evades the issue. They were smart enough to insert themselves in the 70s and 80s when the US was willing to look the other way and then build islands on top of them when they felt they needed to in 2015. Very farsighted, one must admit. In any case, it’s only technically true. China has essentially taken over Scarborough Shoal within the last 10 years though not actually occupying it.

    But the fact that Vietnam can demonstrate aggressiveness does not vitiate my point about China, which was really a point about India. Overall, China has not been as aggressive as the US with its multiple invasions and regime changes in the last several decades, but your one-sided anti-India/pro-China (and, I’m guessing, pro-Pak) perspective is pretty comical.

  98. donut says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    No but He stitched a coat of many colors .

    • Thanks: Oscar Peterson

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