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The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.

If someone is being removed or excluded from a job these days it is because the company is enforcing inclusion.

 
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  1. How long until many inclusive companies end up outsourcing a lot of jobs to less inclusive contractors?

    • Agree: Hibernian
  2. Like female athletes being passed over for mentally ill men pretending to be women in college sports.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  3. Of course, there was this now 30 year-old lie:

    Diversity is Strength.

    Now, they are adding on to the Commandments:

    Exclusion is Inclusion.

    Discrimination is Fairness.

    Equal Opportunity is @$^^##!%@&^ MEMORY HOLED.
    Equity is Justice.

    Security is Freedom.

    Speech is Violence.

    Protesting is Insurrection. (for some animals. Ooops, different Orwell book.)

    Violence is Peaceful. (for others.)

    • Replies: @Hannah Katz
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, speech is deemed violence, but silence is also deemed as violence by the left.

    , @bomag
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Some animals are more inclusive-able than others.

    , @Dr. X
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Speech is Violence.
     
    Not only is speech violence... but "silence is violence" too.

    And "violence" is justification for arresting and/or killing you. So this means that they get to kill you for anything you say, and for anything you don't say.
    , @Prester John
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Bingo!

    And it never ceases to amaze how many people actually buy into this dreck.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Speech is Violence.
     
    "Your speech is violence. Our violence is speech."
    , @guest
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This is a fun game to play, but the Ruling P.C. Order has no need to be so clever as were Stalinists. It doesn't rise to the level of being Orwellian.

    The exclusion necessary to having to "Inclusion" is not hidden from people through doublethink or any trick of conscience. Heavy propaganda and a series of unwarranted assumptions are involved, but I think that ground had been prepared well in advance. Way before P.C. or Wokeness took over.

    All that's required now is for people not to think. Which they're happy to do, because thinking about nonsense is degrading.

    In 1984 a certain member of the Outer Party found it intellectually burdensome to flip and flop his mind over concepts and their opposites. Like freedom and slavery, for instance. But who needs this sort of mind-trickery now? No one needs to be told Exclusion is actually Inclusion. They just accept whatever is labelled "Inclusion" as inclusive only with no exclusive sid -effec t.
    Or, if the side-effects are noticed, those affected deserved it because they dirty gutter rats.

    -----

    About ground being prepared well in advance, our civilization's understanding of Inclusion-Exclusion and all that derives from Enlightenment philosophy. Maybe a little from Christianity, but moreso from Locke.

    Back in Lockean times "Tolerance" was a good thing it meant you tolerated only certain people. Not everyone , but those worthy of being tolerated. Looking backwards, some idiots call this the "paradox of Tolerance" or somesuch. As in you can't tolerate the intolerant or else the tolerance thing won't work. Which is true, however "tolerance" won't ever work no matter what. And I don't think it was ever meant to work the way some people would prefer in an ideal world.

    No, it was always about excluding whom you wanted to include and including whom you didn't want excluded. Which is why in Locke's day they wanted to exclude Catholics. Not because Catholiucs were intolerant. Protestants were intolerant too. No, because if Catholics were allowed into the protective bubble of toleration they'd try to take over. And Catholics taking over meant all the land old stuff like inquisition.

    Ah, you might interject, inquisition is bad because intolerant. False. Inquisition bar because Catholics ran them. If you're a Protestant you don't want a group who isn't you in charge. Especially if you think that group would endanger your immortal soul.

    -----

    Back to the present, we condition members of our culture to accept the ideal form of Toleration. Which is just: "tolerate, mm'kay." Except we don't tolerate everyone, and we know this. The answer is supposed to be, well, w we can't tolerate the intolerant, can we?

    Uh, we're intolerant, then. Can we tolerate ourselves?

    This is the supposed "paradox," and it's bunk.

    In trtue, no one believes in toleration that tolerant of everything but the intolerant. That's just a way we frame things. It's one of the many lies we tell ourselves.

    Regarding Inclusion/Exclusion, we don't even tell ourselves that lie. It's based upon the Toleration lie, but we are conditioned not to think about the Exclusion necessary to have Inclusion. It simply doesn't exist in most people's minds.

    One has no need to tell oneself Orwellian lies if there are no uncomfortable truths to be reconciled.

  4. I am pretty sure that “if you’re not racist, you’re racist” surpasses Orwell as a line of satirical argumentation.

  5. OT I have never felt smarter and better qualified than a guy who achieved more than me, than listening to General Milly babble about Harvard University and three-quarters of a human being and January 6th being a threat to the Constitution as he attempted to Christie his way out of a straightforward question. Some of our government are employees of Beijing and some of them are just really Milly dumb.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @J.Ross

    JRoss! You're a smart guy, engineer of some discipline or other, right? The apartment building in Florida that collapsed last night? The part of the building that stands looks like a collapse threat all its own to my layman's eye. Achmed knows some of this, Steve should give us a blog on that. Hideous!

    Replies: @J.Ross

  6. @Achmed E. Newman
    Of course, there was this now 30 year-old lie:

    Diversity is Strength.

    Now, they are adding on to the Commandments:

    Exclusion is Inclusion.

    Discrimination is Fairness.

    Equal Opportunity is @$^^##!%@&^ MEMORY HOLED.
    Equity is Justice.

    Security is Freedom.

    Speech is Violence.

    Protesting is Insurrection. (for some animals. Ooops, different Orwell book.)

    Violence is Peaceful. (for others.)

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @bomag, @Dr. X, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @guest

    Yes, speech is deemed violence, but silence is also deemed as violence by the left.

  7. Speech is Violence.?

    Not so much.

    Silence is Violence.. No way you can just sit this one out. Plus it rhymes.

  8. @Achmed E. Newman
    Of course, there was this now 30 year-old lie:

    Diversity is Strength.

    Now, they are adding on to the Commandments:

    Exclusion is Inclusion.

    Discrimination is Fairness.

    Equal Opportunity is @$^^##!%@&^ MEMORY HOLED.
    Equity is Justice.

    Security is Freedom.

    Speech is Violence.

    Protesting is Insurrection. (for some animals. Ooops, different Orwell book.)

    Violence is Peaceful. (for others.)

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @bomag, @Dr. X, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @guest

    Some animals are more inclusive-able than others.

  9. Diversity is only strength when subgroup strengths differ.

    Otherwise, you are just rearranging furniture. It’s just sort of Feng Shui.

  10. @Achmed E. Newman
    Of course, there was this now 30 year-old lie:

    Diversity is Strength.

    Now, they are adding on to the Commandments:

    Exclusion is Inclusion.

    Discrimination is Fairness.

    Equal Opportunity is @$^^##!%@&^ MEMORY HOLED.
    Equity is Justice.

    Security is Freedom.

    Speech is Violence.

    Protesting is Insurrection. (for some animals. Ooops, different Orwell book.)

    Violence is Peaceful. (for others.)

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @bomag, @Dr. X, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @guest

    Speech is Violence.

    Not only is speech violence… but “silence is violence” too.

    And “violence” is justification for arresting and/or killing you. So this means that they get to kill you for anything you say, and for anything you don’t say.

  11. The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.

    That idea long predates Orwell. There’s even a Holy Bible about it.

    https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-4625

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Desiderius

    Not such a bad idea.

    Maybe all presidents should have their citizenship suspended for 10 years after they complete a term of office, so that they cannot threaten stability of the ensuing regime.

    The United States has always had this method of ostracism by which middle class citizens could be cast out into the proletariat by means of debt default, credit checks, and having their credit cards canceled.

    Maybe what is now needed is ideological credit bureaus that would issue correct thinking purity cards that would be required at preemployment documentation reviews.

    Such companies would then be financed by the corporations that used their services. If you can find a way to make a profit out of something, it will catch on in America.

    Ideological credit would take into account information collected from Google and Facebook and internet browsing histories so that even people who have been minimally exposed to impure thoughts can be downgraded.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Replies: @WJ, @TWS

    , @res
    @Desiderius

    Good historical point, but I am not seeing where ostracism was done in the name of being inclusive. Am I being dense? Sometimes it is helpful to spell things out. We are not all in the same frame of reference.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @AnotherDad
    @Desiderius



    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.
     
    That idea long predates Orwell. There’s even a Holy Bible about it.

     

    Agree. There is nothing odd about it. Having any sort of social "group" requires some sort of specific group membership criteria/norms--inc. behavior, beliefs, dress, etc. etc. Basically being in a group requires some other people being out of the group.

    The problem isn't this idea. The problem is minoritarianism. The idea that the majority--normies--is uniquely not allowed to do the same--to have their norms, culture and do their exclusion. This is the hideous, totalitarian ideology that is destroying the West.


    As i've said before--separate nations.

    I'm absolutely 100% fine with these loons having their rainbow hued utopia. I just want the right to live in the nation my ancestors built--America--with our traditional white American norms ... with a border (i.e. excluding non-Americans).

    What we have now is the minoritarian demand that white people accept their beating and agree to live and work to support the minoritarian project. There's a name for that--slavery.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  12. They really, really hate redheads.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Altai

    Same thing. Just flip the first syllable of "ginger" around

    , @Wilkey
    @Altai

    And “Snow White,” whose name is literally a reference to the color of her skin, is going to be played by an actress who is half-Colombian and half-Polish, and who is ethnic enough to have been cast as Maria in the upcoming “West Side Story.”

    I guess Puerto Ricans could complain about a half Polish girl being cast as a Puerto Rican, though I suppose that’s an improvement on the beautiful Natalie Wood - in terms of racial accuracy, if in no other way.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @War for Blair Mountain, @Paperback Writer

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Altai

    Isn't that just as good evidence that they really like redheads?

    I admit this is weird casting for a Danish fairytale, but the cartoon did have a Carribean theme. I suppose they needed a place with clear, warm waters and tropical fish for it to not be too scary. The North Sea would make a very different setting for the underwater bits.

    The outrage, the other way, when someone white plays someone something else, is what I find ludicrous.

    The original story is very interesting and worth a read. *Spoiler* the Little Mermaid wishes happiness for the man who, in some respects, wronged her and ascends to become a semi-angelic being. They could retell it in accordance with modern values and have the little Mermaid #MeToo him, and live on as an obnoxious Twitter personality...

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Wilkey
    @Altai

    A reasonably friendly conversation with a cute, college age Hispanic girl on the plane next to me:

    Her (assuming, I guess, that "The Little Mermaid" is set in the Caribbean): 'It's great that her race is going to match the story.'

    Me: 'It's based on a story by a 19th Century Danish author. It's set in Europe.'

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR, @Altai, @Pericles

    , @Old Prude
    @Altai

    A black mermaid. Umm... Can she swim? Well, I guess she doesn't have to come up for air, so maybe...

    Now, I would PAY to see a black woman play Scarlett O'hara. And maybe have white women play Dilcey, Mammy and Prissy. Hey, I've just come up with a brilliant idea for Broadway..

    , @Matttt
    @Altai

    A black mermaid is obviously a fantasy. Black women hate to get their hair wet - it's expensive and time-consuming to go back to the salon to get it fixed.

    Replies: @aldasfail770

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Altai

    "They really, really hate redheads."

    Mayhap. But like The Stones said, "Black girls just wanna get fucked all night".... and, in my experience, so do redheads - goddam they're insatiable. Casting Ariel as a black chick is imminently apropos.

  13. @Desiderius

    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.
     
    That idea long predates Orwell. There's even a Holy Bible about it.

    https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-4625

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @res, @AnotherDad

    Not such a bad idea.

    Maybe all presidents should have their citizenship suspended for 10 years after they complete a term of office, so that they cannot threaten stability of the ensuing regime.

    The United States has always had this method of ostracism by which middle class citizens could be cast out into the proletariat by means of debt default, credit checks, and having their credit cards canceled.

    Maybe what is now needed is ideological credit bureaus that would issue correct thinking purity cards that would be required at preemployment documentation reviews.

    Such companies would then be financed by the corporations that used their services. If you can find a way to make a profit out of something, it will catch on in America.

    Ideological credit would take into account information collected from Google and Facebook and internet browsing histories so that even people who have been minimally exposed to impure thoughts can be downgraded.

    Sounds like a plan.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @WJ
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Maybe all presidents should have their citizenship suspended for 10 years after they complete a term of office, so that they cannot threaten stability of the ensuing regime."

    Yes, expelling Obama and his vicious little minions would have done this country a world of good. Instead they were allowed to use the FBI and the other corrupt alphabets to undermine a duly elected president.

    , @TWS
    @Jonathan Mason

    Please tell us you are unemployed, retired, A remittance man, anything but employed at any job whatsoever. I can only imagine you accidentally causing death and destruction doing nearly anything.

    At first, I just thought, 'he's ignorant but not dangerous'. Now I'm terrified by the thought of you having anything to do at all.

  14. Why not exclude Whites who are anti-White?

    Stop protecting them. As a related example, large parts of New England (the old stock) couldn’t figure out if America or the USSR was the bad guy during the Cold War. The Ivy League was full of pro-Soviet activity.

    They found it gauche to be too American. But the rest of the country was forced to save them. We don’t have that luxury of supporting people who are lukewarm about our existence anymore.

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @RichardTaylor

    Thanks and complete agree. My comment about General "Che" Milly was angry because it is obvious from the quip that 1, Milly is yet another military idiot trying to be an intellectual by reading books and he can't pull it off, and 2, he was clearly gang-signalling as woke as the next soyboy while pretending not to be, objecting to the idea that reading Mao makes you a communist (and not seeing the contradiction? or taking for granted he'd get away with it?). But maybe he's a well-meaning low-verbal? Actually, reading Mao to understand Mao makes you an idiot. Communists are liars. You should always go by their actions because their words give you no predictive power regarding their future actions. The only good bit in Ernesto's guerrilla warfare book is him admitting how bad he was at it. And he claimed to be offended by the question, hence the reference to Christie (who batted away a question about his own kids going to private school by misrecognizing it as an attack on his kids), but we could compare that to clever dissembling by such other Green Berets as Carl Reiner, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, or Abbie Hoffman.
    Our flag officers are completely sold on the idea that, as blacks shoot eachother, cartels ship kids, the world laughs at our declining power, and teenagers and young adults burn down buildings and steal shoes, every last lawful white gun owner needs to be executed without a trial. This is the priority of the administration and what they are focusing on.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @RichardTaylor


    As a related example, large parts of New England (the old stock) couldn’t figure out if America or the USSR was the bad guy during the Cold War. The Ivy League was full of pro-Soviet activity.
     
    The Ivy League, four colleges, are not a "large part of New England". Half of New England is Maine, which has none.

    For "pro-Soviet activity", look to Dixie in 1940. This is from a project called "Lost Cause":

    https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lost-cause


    https://static.propublica.org/projects/graphics/losers/svgs/1940.gif

    In 1936, New England (with New York) was the only place with anti-Soviet activity:


    https://static.propublica.org/projects/graphics/losers/svgs/1936.gif

  15. Here you go, Steve:

    • LOL: Desiderius, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A Confederacy of Michael Scotts are at the wheel.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/310612.A_Confederacy_of_Dunces

    Replies: @donut

  16. @Achmed E. Newman
    Of course, there was this now 30 year-old lie:

    Diversity is Strength.

    Now, they are adding on to the Commandments:

    Exclusion is Inclusion.

    Discrimination is Fairness.

    Equal Opportunity is @$^^##!%@&^ MEMORY HOLED.
    Equity is Justice.

    Security is Freedom.

    Speech is Violence.

    Protesting is Insurrection. (for some animals. Ooops, different Orwell book.)

    Violence is Peaceful. (for others.)

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @bomag, @Dr. X, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @guest

    Bingo!

    And it never ceases to amaze how many people actually buy into this dreck.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Prester John

    Just trying to make sure they have a chair when the music stops.

  17. @Altai
    They really, really hate redheads.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/43/23/a34323ed47c3473c2ba661b588370be4.png

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wilkey, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wilkey, @Old Prude, @Matttt, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Same thing. Just flip the first syllable of “ginger” around

  18. @Achmed E. Newman
    Here you go, Steve:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzX-fFPUigQ

    Replies: @Desiderius

    A Confederacy of Michael Scotts are at the wheel.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/310612.A_Confederacy_of_Dunces

    • Replies: @donut
    @Desiderius

    How ya makin' ?

  19. Of course can can only have inclusion through exclusion. You can only have indoors by having outdoors. You can only have Jew by having Gentile. Every concrete identity includes is opposite within its definition. Being inclusive to Americans means being exclusive to non-Americans. If you want to promote exclusion among Americans, you push inclusion towards non-Americans. I don’t see any problem in this. I want America to be inclusive of Americans by excluding non-Americans.

    Inclusion implies an Us/Them opposition. Inclusion means including “Us” which is only possible by excluding “Them.” This is only complicated for people who walk around seeing the world as one big happy “Us”. These types of people are the ones John Lennon was singing about in “Imagine”

    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.

    Yes, by deporting non-Americans, you are being inclusive of real existing Americans.

    • Replies: @res
    @Torn and Frayed

    Your point helped me understand what Desiderius is saying. Thanks.

    I just don't think that is how the inclusivity people are selling the idea (inclusive to all!). But thinking about it, as far as reality goes you and Desiderius are right.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Torn and Frayed

  20. This has been the truth since the wheels of affirmative action started rolling: Practically every woman and BIPOC accepted into the service academies have been placed there over thousands of better qualified white men. Sure, there are exceptions, but only a rare handful. If one encounters a woman or a black in a position where one would have expected a white male, it’s a pretty safe bet they are only in position as a sop to the vanity of the ruling class, and if they don’t fall on their face or on their behinds, its probably because a lot of competent white men are propping the up.

    It’s getting exhausting.

    • Agree: BB753
  21. WJ says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Desiderius

    Not such a bad idea.

    Maybe all presidents should have their citizenship suspended for 10 years after they complete a term of office, so that they cannot threaten stability of the ensuing regime.

    The United States has always had this method of ostracism by which middle class citizens could be cast out into the proletariat by means of debt default, credit checks, and having their credit cards canceled.

    Maybe what is now needed is ideological credit bureaus that would issue correct thinking purity cards that would be required at preemployment documentation reviews.

    Such companies would then be financed by the corporations that used their services. If you can find a way to make a profit out of something, it will catch on in America.

    Ideological credit would take into account information collected from Google and Facebook and internet browsing histories so that even people who have been minimally exposed to impure thoughts can be downgraded.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Replies: @WJ, @TWS

    “Maybe all presidents should have their citizenship suspended for 10 years after they complete a term of office, so that they cannot threaten stability of the ensuing regime.”

    Yes, expelling Obama and his vicious little minions would have done this country a world of good. Instead they were allowed to use the FBI and the other corrupt alphabets to undermine a duly elected president.

  22. • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    Trump understood the problem perfectly well, he just didn't know what to do about it. In the early days of his administration he asked James Comey to be "loyal" to Trump's project and Comey's response was to rat him out to the press. Washington is just filled to the brim with such back stabbers.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @anonymous
    @Desiderius

    There are no shortage of true believers for Trump's vision. The problem is that they are under 50, and Trump, being a Boomer, mostly hired other Boomers or his ne'er-do-well kids. At any point, he could have restricted hires to conservative men, under the age of 50. But he didn't, so he will have no meaningful presidential legacy.

    It's worth noting the most proactive conservative governor in America, Ron DeSantis, is also the nation's youngest sitting governor at 42.

    The sad reality is that Nick Fuentes, out of his basement, will build a more lasting movement than Trump.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  23. @Altai
    They really, really hate redheads.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/43/23/a34323ed47c3473c2ba661b588370be4.png

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wilkey, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wilkey, @Old Prude, @Matttt, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    And “Snow White,” whose name is literally a reference to the color of her skin, is going to be played by an actress who is half-Colombian and half-Polish, and who is ethnic enough to have been cast as Maria in the upcoming “West Side Story.”

    I guess Puerto Ricans could complain about a half Polish girl being cast as a Puerto Rican, though I suppose that’s an improvement on the beautiful Natalie Wood – in terms of racial accuracy, if in no other way.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Wilkey

    Well- she looks more Puertorican ...

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Rachel_Zegler_1.jpg/440px-Rachel_Zegler_1.jpg

    Also, you have to admit this is a bit silly ...

    https://www.fernbyfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/TELEMMGLPICT000185684746_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq_KAnvwHCXly5El3tfPZN0LwVUg1qzQ7P0WDZTPaDMjY.jpeg

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    @Wilkey

    Natalie Wood was Orthodox Christian Russian….

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Wilkey

    Got nothing on this:

    https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/RJTQued_KH-9ZpoPI8D1oU2yvZM=/800x600/filters:no_upscale():focal(977x503:978x504)/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/96/fb/96fbf1f3-14c3-4c8b-8c47-4721deb3dbeb/screen_shot_2021-06-02_at_64002_pm.png

  24. @Altai
    They really, really hate redheads.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/43/23/a34323ed47c3473c2ba661b588370be4.png

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wilkey, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wilkey, @Old Prude, @Matttt, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Isn’t that just as good evidence that they really like redheads?

    I admit this is weird casting for a Danish fairytale, but the cartoon did have a Carribean theme. I suppose they needed a place with clear, warm waters and tropical fish for it to not be too scary. The North Sea would make a very different setting for the underwater bits.

    The outrage, the other way, when someone white plays someone something else, is what I find ludicrous.

    The original story is very interesting and worth a read. *Spoiler* the Little Mermaid wishes happiness for the man who, in some respects, wronged her and ascends to become a semi-angelic being. They could retell it in accordance with modern values and have the little Mermaid #MeToo him, and live on as an obnoxious Twitter personality…

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The outrage, the other way, when someone white plays someone something else, is what I find ludicrous.
     
    Well, yeah, the whole point of acting is that the actor is pretending to be somebody else who they are not. You have little children pretending to be a mother and father in Nativity plays.

    I think a lot of the supposed outrage is related to economic opportunities. If playing a lead role in a Hollywood movie is so vastly overpaid that it earns the person who gets the role life-changing money, then jealousies will abound.

    I remember years ago there was some controversy when Jonathan Pryce starred in Miss Saigon playing the part of the Eurasian character The Engineer. He was eventually allowed to play the role on Broadway because he was the star of the show, and it was also pointed out that the character was half European, but not before there were threats by the producer Cameron Mackintosh to yank the show altogether thus denying lucrative employment to the whole cast.

    The female lead was played by a Filipina impersonating a Vietnamese woman.
  25. @Altai
    They really, really hate redheads.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/43/23/a34323ed47c3473c2ba661b588370be4.png

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wilkey, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wilkey, @Old Prude, @Matttt, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    A reasonably friendly conversation with a cute, college age Hispanic girl on the plane next to me:

    Her (assuming, I guess, that “The Little Mermaid” is set in the Caribbean): ‘It’s great that her race is going to match the story.’

    Me: ‘It’s based on a story by a 19th Century Danish author. It’s set in Europe.’

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    In the cartoon version, aren't the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline? The cartoon would have been boring if it was just Ariel and a bunch of herrings. Also, IIRC, some of the characters had West Indian accents and sang Calypso type songs with steel drums, etc.:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_mV1IpjWA

    Sebastian's voice was provided by Samuel E. Wright. Wright passed away (unnoticed) about a month ago from prostate cancer, to which black men seem especially prone:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_E._Wright

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anon

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Wilkey

    Latina Power doesn't translate into mental power:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_0SvvQgNRc

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @AndrewR
    @Wilkey

    The Disney film's plot is so different from the original story that it unquestionably should have a different name.

    Having said this, there are white and even g*ng*r people in the Caribbean. Did your amiguita think that the islands are all black.

    , @Altai
    @Wilkey

    I do like how the girl on the plane decided where the cartoon was supposed to be set based on the exaggerated Barbadian accent of a talking crab though while ignoring practically every other aspect of it. Though the cartoon isn't really set anywhere except fantasy Europe.

    Replies: @Thea

    , @Pericles
    @Wilkey

    https://www.thelocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/a4bd816834473a0a1dd213e9989e18dab76e0de902825296b1e67b3acc423ab7.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  26. My pozzed up firm just began promoting an, “Allyship,” program between straights and the alphabet soup crowd for deviancy month.

    This is it.

    This is the the top of the slippery slope that ultimately leads to mandatory involvement in alternative lifestyles to have a WEF-calculated social credit score above zero.

  27. “Affirmative Action” or “positive discrimination” in any zero sum game always involved losers as well as winners by the nature of the game. If I give a “leg up” in Harvard admissions to one non-Asian minority, there is one white or Asian person who doesn’t get in as a result because the number of slots at Harvard is fixed in the short term. Going back to the time of FDR, Democrats have always been very successful in making profoundly un-American concepts sound as American as apple pie. Why, we are not giving people of some race special privileges and benefits while excluding people of other races from those same benefits, we are just taking “Affirmative Action” to right past wrongs. They are just getting more and more open about it as they sense that they are close to achieving permanent power.

    Yesterday a Federal judge halted the Biden Administration’s plan to offer debt forgiveness to farmers. The problem with the plan is that you are only eligible for debt forgiveness if you are “Black”. Such explicit racial classifications are frowned upon by the courts but it is notable that they thought that they could get away with this. Maybe a few more judicial appointments and they could.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/06/23/black-farmers-debt-relief-preliminary-injunction/

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    It's not about getting away with it, it's about softening up the judiciary by making them take the racist hit in stopping it. They want to replace this polity with one more explicitly global and they are attacking it at every level toward that purpose.

  28. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    A reasonably friendly conversation with a cute, college age Hispanic girl on the plane next to me:

    Her (assuming, I guess, that "The Little Mermaid" is set in the Caribbean): 'It's great that her race is going to match the story.'

    Me: 'It's based on a story by a 19th Century Danish author. It's set in Europe.'

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR, @Altai, @Pericles

    In the cartoon version, aren’t the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline? The cartoon would have been boring if it was just Ariel and a bunch of herrings. Also, IIRC, some of the characters had West Indian accents and sang Calypso type songs with steel drums, etc.:

    Sebastian’s voice was provided by Samuel E. Wright. Wright passed away (unnoticed) about a month ago from prostate cancer, to which black men seem especially prone:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_E._Wright

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Jack D

    I'd add that of course the movie is animation/fantasy, so to some degree it's a bit ridiculous to argue over racial accuracy, especially since Ariel isn't human anyway.

    I'm just peeved because I love redheads. My wife is a redhead. About half the girls I ever dated were redheads. Ariel is by far the sexiest Disney character, so of course I wanted a redheaded live-action Ariel.

    It doesn't really matter, though. All of Disney's live action adaptations have sucked. They're just a way for Disney to print more money without coming up with something new. I suspect this one will be no different.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Supply and Demand, @Jack D

    , @Anon
    @Jack D


    In the cartoon version, aren’t the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline? The cartoon would have been boring if it was just Ariel and a bunch of herrings. Also, IIRC, some of the characters had West Indian accents and sang Calypso type songs with steel drums, etc.:
     
    Flip it. Say it had originally been a story by a black resident of the Caribbean. First of all, the original movie would have caused worldwide race riots. "Oh, we changed it so that the crab has a Cockney accent, so it's fine." Yeah. That would make everything O.K.

    And if Disney could make each dwarf a different look and personality, I'm sure they could have handled herrings. But the Baltic Sea has no shortage of fishes, cetaceans, seals, sharks, etc.

    It's basically a double standard, an "only whites can be racist" thing.
  29. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Up is down.

    Black is White.

    Hot is cold.

    Exclusion is inclusion.

    blAcks aren’t retards.

    Our trouble is White women will believe anything if it sounds nice, has a fashionable seal of approval, and is presented by authority figures.

  30. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    And “Snow White,” whose name is literally a reference to the color of her skin, is going to be played by an actress who is half-Colombian and half-Polish, and who is ethnic enough to have been cast as Maria in the upcoming “West Side Story.”

    I guess Puerto Ricans could complain about a half Polish girl being cast as a Puerto Rican, though I suppose that’s an improvement on the beautiful Natalie Wood - in terms of racial accuracy, if in no other way.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @War for Blair Mountain, @Paperback Writer

    Well- she looks more Puertorican …

    Also, you have to admit this is a bit silly …

  31. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/GunBlobber/status/1337820213786587139?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GunBlobber/status/1337821726470770688?s=20

    Replies: @Jack D, @anonymous

    Trump understood the problem perfectly well, he just didn’t know what to do about it. In the early days of his administration he asked James Comey to be “loyal” to Trump’s project and Comey’s response was to rat him out to the press. Washington is just filled to the brim with such back stabbers.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn't grasp the difference (in our system it isn't in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey's milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn't understand the concept at all.

    The bulk of the blame lies with those who failed to give proper deference to expressed will of the sovereign people embodied in that Head of State. Had that Head better appreciated that concept and enforced it his government would have run much more smoothly and many more of our aims would have been achieved.

    The Axios article is pretty explicit on the open defiance and the lack of consideration for why we nominated (many of those disloyal then and now are Rs) and elected Trump in the first place and why that matters. Same problem with the Interagency Consensus clowns.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Sean, @Jim Christian

  32. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    A reasonably friendly conversation with a cute, college age Hispanic girl on the plane next to me:

    Her (assuming, I guess, that "The Little Mermaid" is set in the Caribbean): 'It's great that her race is going to match the story.'

    Me: 'It's based on a story by a 19th Century Danish author. It's set in Europe.'

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR, @Altai, @Pericles

    Latina Power doesn’t translate into mental power:

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bardon Kaldian

    To be fair, Mr. Kaldian, those 2 idiot snowflake students look as White as the day is long, especially the blonde on the right. Supporting that Latina cause is just part of what their brainwashed heads are telling them to do. (Yeah, and thanks for making me see that stupid old man in the beginning, dude.*) These young people are completely deluded, and that's the student snowflakes of all colors, shapes, and sizes. They really think the media world is THE world. Holy moley, that was hard to get through.

    Did you notice that smile of hatred and disgust out of the one talking. I've seen that before. It means "I don't want to think anymore than what I said. I've been told what to think, and you are telling me so much wrongthink that I don't think these new thoughts should be anywhere near me!"


    .


    Granted, I've tried multiple times to get vids to start and end where I want and not been successful either. (Thanks, commenter Adam Smith for your help, but I'll have to get back and check that PS thread before I try again.) The readers should start at about a minute in.

  33. OT: Has anyone seen any theories on the building collapse in Miami yet? A good quote from the mayor of Surfside:

    “This doesn’t happen in first world countries, buildings just don’t fall down like this,” he says. “This is inexplicable. We just don’t have any answers right now, but we will get them.”

    He is right, buildings just don’t fall down in first world countries. What are the chances between this and the pedestrian walkway collapse in Washington D.C. yesterday Mayor Burkett spends any time reflecting on the possibility he no longer lives in a first world country.

  34. Tweet from 2014:

  35. In the cartoon version, aren’t the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline?

    That may have been the source for her assumption that it was set in the Caribbean, but Disney movies often feature secondary characters/sidekicks out of time or place for their movie, especially with regard to accents. Eddie Murphy voiced a jive-talking (or at least extremely African-American) Mushu in “Mulan.” “The Lion King,” set in Africa, features the über-English actors Jeremy Irons as Scar and Rowan Atkinson as Zazu.

    Obviously all the Disney characters speak English, no matter where the films are set, so the issue of accent is not quite the same as skin color. The race and ethnicity of the main characters in Disney movies always matches the locale, sfaik. Anna & Elsa are Scandinavian. Merida is a red-haired Scot. Lilo & Moana are Pacific Islanders. Mulan is Chinese. Aladdin & Jasmine are Arab. Tiana is black. Etc, etc, etc.

    Having a calypso-singing crab in “The Little Mermaid” no more means that it is set in the Caribbean than Eddie Murphy’s & Jeremy Irons’ characters mean that “Mulan” is set in Detroit and “The Lion Ling” is set in London. Ariel is the daughter of a Greek god, Triton, in a story written by a Danish author and, when above the ocean, the film is indisputably set in Europe – from European sailing ships and castles to French chefs.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Wilkey

    @35 Wilkey: But Jack D, as the eternal outsider and resident expert on everything, is so terribly comfortable with Juice Disney moving around stories and cultural settings. He likes the cartoon version so, really, he finds your insistence that the tale originated in the mind and culture of a White, Christian European to be dreadfully provincial. Why can't you be more open-minded and cosmopolitan, like Jack? For example the Torah ought to be updated in pidgin or ebonics, for all those multiracial Jews we're told live in Israel.

    Why people at Sailer act as though everyone else comments in good faith, after repeated examples that they don't, never ceases to amaze me.

    Replies: @Charon, @Jack D

  36. I went through a bout of not enjoying any so-called INCLUSION during the deliberations of the plutocrats and the ruling class and the minions of the plutocrats when they were using massive levels of monetary extremism madness to massively reward the already bloated plutocrats with all their asset bubble gains and the government workers and the PPP scam recipients and the extra 600 dollars in the unemployment scam people and all the other scam artists who were at the trough of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

    The Fed didn’t much care to be inclusive about monetary policy deliberations with regular White Core Americans or any other race of Americans but they sure as Hell were inclusive with Larry Phucking Fink of BlackRock.

    The sonofabitch plutocrats like Larry Fink of BlackRock want to forcibly include you in their crooked financial swindles that they cook up with Jay Powell and the other plutocrat-controlled stooges at the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank.

    That baby boomer Mulatto asshole Eric Holder says Whites are cowards when it comes to race but the banker whore Eric Holder ain’t including or being INCLUSIVE of all the White Core Americans more than willing to be honest about the RACE ISSUE in the USA.

  37. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    A reasonably friendly conversation with a cute, college age Hispanic girl on the plane next to me:

    Her (assuming, I guess, that "The Little Mermaid" is set in the Caribbean): 'It's great that her race is going to match the story.'

    Me: 'It's based on a story by a 19th Century Danish author. It's set in Europe.'

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR, @Altai, @Pericles

    The Disney film’s plot is so different from the original story that it unquestionably should have a different name.

    Having said this, there are white and even g*ng*r people in the Caribbean. Did your amiguita think that the islands are all black.

  38. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    And “Snow White,” whose name is literally a reference to the color of her skin, is going to be played by an actress who is half-Colombian and half-Polish, and who is ethnic enough to have been cast as Maria in the upcoming “West Side Story.”

    I guess Puerto Ricans could complain about a half Polish girl being cast as a Puerto Rican, though I suppose that’s an improvement on the beautiful Natalie Wood - in terms of racial accuracy, if in no other way.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @War for Blair Mountain, @Paperback Writer

    Natalie Wood was Orthodox Christian Russian….

  39. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    In the cartoon version, aren't the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline? The cartoon would have been boring if it was just Ariel and a bunch of herrings. Also, IIRC, some of the characters had West Indian accents and sang Calypso type songs with steel drums, etc.:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_mV1IpjWA

    Sebastian's voice was provided by Samuel E. Wright. Wright passed away (unnoticed) about a month ago from prostate cancer, to which black men seem especially prone:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_E._Wright

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anon

    I’d add that of course the movie is animation/fantasy, so to some degree it’s a bit ridiculous to argue over racial accuracy, especially since Ariel isn’t human anyway.

    I’m just peeved because I love redheads. My wife is a redhead. About half the girls I ever dated were redheads. Ariel is by far the sexiest Disney character, so of course I wanted a redheaded live-action Ariel.

    It doesn’t really matter, though. All of Disney’s live action adaptations have sucked. They’re just a way for Disney to print more money without coming up with something new. I suspect this one will be no different.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Wilkey

    "Ariel is by far the sexiest Disney character, so of course I wanted a redheaded live-action Ariel."

    What about Jessica Rabbit? Another Disney red-head, without the lower half being a fish, I might add.

    , @Supply and Demand
    @Wilkey

    When the Chinese finally take over the American media empire there will be some hope for you. The Manchu here are quick to remind any white person they see that unmixed Tungusic folk do sometimes have red hair. Rashad-al-Din noted that Genghis was a natural redhead with green eyes.

    , @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    All of Disney’s live action adaptations have sucked.
     
    They cried all the way to the bank.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @guest

  40. @Altai
    They really, really hate redheads.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/43/23/a34323ed47c3473c2ba661b588370be4.png

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wilkey, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wilkey, @Old Prude, @Matttt, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    A black mermaid. Umm… Can she swim? Well, I guess she doesn’t have to come up for air, so maybe…

    Now, I would PAY to see a black woman play Scarlett O’hara. And maybe have white women play Dilcey, Mammy and Prissy. Hey, I’ve just come up with a brilliant idea for Broadway..

  41. @Desiderius
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A Confederacy of Michael Scotts are at the wheel.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/310612.A_Confederacy_of_Dunces

    Replies: @donut

    How ya makin’ ?

  42. This is of a piece with the notion that if they discriminate in favor of everyone but the group to which you belong, they’re not discriminating against you.

  43. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    And “Snow White,” whose name is literally a reference to the color of her skin, is going to be played by an actress who is half-Colombian and half-Polish, and who is ethnic enough to have been cast as Maria in the upcoming “West Side Story.”

    I guess Puerto Ricans could complain about a half Polish girl being cast as a Puerto Rican, though I suppose that’s an improvement on the beautiful Natalie Wood - in terms of racial accuracy, if in no other way.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @War for Blair Mountain, @Paperback Writer

    Got nothing on this:

  44. @Wilkey
    @Jack D

    I'd add that of course the movie is animation/fantasy, so to some degree it's a bit ridiculous to argue over racial accuracy, especially since Ariel isn't human anyway.

    I'm just peeved because I love redheads. My wife is a redhead. About half the girls I ever dated were redheads. Ariel is by far the sexiest Disney character, so of course I wanted a redheaded live-action Ariel.

    It doesn't really matter, though. All of Disney's live action adaptations have sucked. They're just a way for Disney to print more money without coming up with something new. I suspect this one will be no different.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Supply and Demand, @Jack D

    “Ariel is by far the sexiest Disney character, so of course I wanted a redheaded live-action Ariel.”

    What about Jessica Rabbit? Another Disney red-head, without the lower half being a fish, I might add.

  45. “NPR reported on a major controversy surrounding beloved actor Tom Hanks. It turns out, black activists are outraged over the fact that every film in which Tom Hanks has starred has starred a white man. These rocket scientists are furious because movies starring an actor who is white starred a white actor.” From Taki: https://www.takimag.com/article/the-week-that-perished-144/

    Tom is castigated for not “removing himself” from those starring movie roles where he, as a White guy, was excluding a black guy from being the “rightful” star. Exclusion = inclusion. Aristotle’s “law of the excluded middle ” is being cancelled.

    • Thanks: Charon
  46. @Wilkey
    @Jack D

    I'd add that of course the movie is animation/fantasy, so to some degree it's a bit ridiculous to argue over racial accuracy, especially since Ariel isn't human anyway.

    I'm just peeved because I love redheads. My wife is a redhead. About half the girls I ever dated were redheads. Ariel is by far the sexiest Disney character, so of course I wanted a redheaded live-action Ariel.

    It doesn't really matter, though. All of Disney's live action adaptations have sucked. They're just a way for Disney to print more money without coming up with something new. I suspect this one will be no different.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Supply and Demand, @Jack D

    When the Chinese finally take over the American media empire there will be some hope for you. The Manchu here are quick to remind any white person they see that unmixed Tungusic folk do sometimes have red hair. Rashad-al-Din noted that Genghis was a natural redhead with green eyes.

  47. Inclusion means they want us fucking dead….

    General Mark Milley:”‘America has a shortage of high fertility highly racialized Muslim Legal Immigrants…And the racist White Working Class wants to prevent them from comming to America…”

  48. @Jack D
    "Affirmative Action" or "positive discrimination" in any zero sum game always involved losers as well as winners by the nature of the game. If I give a "leg up" in Harvard admissions to one non-Asian minority, there is one white or Asian person who doesn't get in as a result because the number of slots at Harvard is fixed in the short term. Going back to the time of FDR, Democrats have always been very successful in making profoundly un-American concepts sound as American as apple pie. Why, we are not giving people of some race special privileges and benefits while excluding people of other races from those same benefits, we are just taking "Affirmative Action" to right past wrongs. They are just getting more and more open about it as they sense that they are close to achieving permanent power.

    Yesterday a Federal judge halted the Biden Administration's plan to offer debt forgiveness to farmers. The problem with the plan is that you are only eligible for debt forgiveness if you are "Black". Such explicit racial classifications are frowned upon by the courts but it is notable that they thought that they could get away with this. Maybe a few more judicial appointments and they could.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/06/23/black-farmers-debt-relief-preliminary-injunction/

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It’s not about getting away with it, it’s about softening up the judiciary by making them take the racist hit in stopping it. They want to replace this polity with one more explicitly global and they are attacking it at every level toward that purpose.

  49. anonymous[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/GunBlobber/status/1337820213786587139?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GunBlobber/status/1337821726470770688?s=20

    Replies: @Jack D, @anonymous

    There are no shortage of true believers for Trump’s vision. The problem is that they are under 50, and Trump, being a Boomer, mostly hired other Boomers or his ne’er-do-well kids. At any point, he could have restricted hires to conservative men, under the age of 50. But he didn’t, so he will have no meaningful presidential legacy.

    It’s worth noting the most proactive conservative governor in America, Ron DeSantis, is also the nation’s youngest sitting governor at 42.

    The sad reality is that Nick Fuentes, out of his basement, will build a more lasting movement than Trump.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @anonymous

    What's sad about it? Trump was always jumping in front of the parade anyway. He's no profound thinker. Yeah Trump beat Pete Rozelle (no easy task) but what did those who followed him into the lawsuit get out of the deal? Ruin. That was always the most likely outcome here as well. We're lucky we've done as well as we have.

    Fuentes is a young guy and a basement is as good a place as any with this technology. If Never Again means anything it means welcoming questions to stay sharp not trying to shut down anyone interested in historical accuracy or getting elections right.

  50. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    Trump understood the problem perfectly well, he just didn't know what to do about it. In the early days of his administration he asked James Comey to be "loyal" to Trump's project and Comey's response was to rat him out to the press. Washington is just filled to the brim with such back stabbers.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn’t grasp the difference (in our system it isn’t in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey’s milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn’t understand the concept at all.

    The bulk of the blame lies with those who failed to give proper deference to expressed will of the sovereign people embodied in that Head of State. Had that Head better appreciated that concept and enforced it his government would have run much more smoothly and many more of our aims would have been achieved.

    The Axios article is pretty explicit on the open defiance and the lack of consideration for why we nominated (many of those disloyal then and now are Rs) and elected Trump in the first place and why that matters. Same problem with the Interagency Consensus clowns.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Desiderius


    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn’t grasp the difference (in our system it isn’t in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey’s milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn’t understand the concept at all.
     
    Comey was never loyal to the office - and I mean neither offices of the Presidency nor the FBI Director. Comey is loyal to the consensus of the ruling class and his greatly outsized belief in his own (situationally flexible) probity. Add to this the fact that during the waning Obama days he took it upon himself to make an announcement with regard to the status of the investigation of Hillary Clinton which was transparently a whitewash, but which the ruling class nevertheless views as having helped Trump secure his electoral victory.

    Comey is also feigning to labor under the premise that the powers which were arrayed against Trump from before his inauguration were good faith actors rather than devious partisans abusing their offices in ways which one would expect only in collapsed third world nations. So when Trump is asking for "loyalty" in that situation, what he's asking for is Comey to play it straight and not join the jackals working corruptly to stimy his Presidency and criminalize his political endeavors.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Sean
    @Desiderius

    “They’re not after me, they’re after you.. I’m just standing in their way” ~ Donald Trump

    , @Jim Christian
    @Desiderius


    Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case
     
    That's completely untrue. Comey was loyal to and corrupted his office for, the democratic party, Hillary, and the Deep State. The notion that anyone in the FBI is loyal to the intent of the office and the law to the exclusion of the democratic party is nonsensical. Comey? There aren't enough descriptors for his corruptions in the English language.

    Loyal to the office. Yer a hoot!

    Replies: @Desiderius

  51. @Wilkey
    @Jack D

    I'd add that of course the movie is animation/fantasy, so to some degree it's a bit ridiculous to argue over racial accuracy, especially since Ariel isn't human anyway.

    I'm just peeved because I love redheads. My wife is a redhead. About half the girls I ever dated were redheads. Ariel is by far the sexiest Disney character, so of course I wanted a redheaded live-action Ariel.

    It doesn't really matter, though. All of Disney's live action adaptations have sucked. They're just a way for Disney to print more money without coming up with something new. I suspect this one will be no different.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Supply and Demand, @Jack D

    All of Disney’s live action adaptations have sucked.

    They cried all the way to the bank.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Jack D

    No argument there. Disney has the same policy with its theme parks. Why people pay thousands of dollars on family vacations to Disneyland or Disneyworld only to spend all day standing in line is beyond me. But people drop billions each year for the privilege.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @guest
    @Jack D

    Yes. Then again, they could have made every more money by not sucking.

  52. Bryan Caplan, mocks “The Diversity and Inclusion Movement” as the “The Uniformity and Exclusion Movement”.

    He says

    While every ideology is prone to a little doublethink, “social justice” is doublethink at its core.

    North Korean and Chinese communism, Islamic fundamentalism, and Russian nationalism all have far worse intentions and have done far more harm than wokeness ever will.

    The recent University of California scandal is an elegant example. In affected departments, job candidates had to write a “diversity and inclusion statement.” Unless candidates vigorously supported the social justice movement through word and action, the faculty never even got to see their applications.

    Another good thread of his:

    https://www.econlib.org/backlash-vs-resistance-the-case-of-wokism/

    My summary: Most of us who complain about wokism, would find something else to complain about if it didn’t exist. Moral of the story: Wokism is bad, but they aren’t killing us. Most of this crowd can still have a happy personal life. Put your own life first, work on enjoying what you have, don’t let horrible politics ruin you happiness. Focus on building what you love. Wokism does generate lots of resistance. Every major movement does. Wokism is good at bulldozing over resistance. If you care, make sure your efforts have impact. Otherwise, what’s the point?

    The wise route, however, is to decide how bad the woke movement really is. And if you think it’s bad enough, strive to transform mere resistance into full-blown backlash.

    • Replies: @res
    @Hi There


    Bryan Caplan, mocks “The Diversity and Inclusion Movement” as the “The Uniformity and Exclusion Movement”.
     
    Thanks.
  53. @Altai
    They really, really hate redheads.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/43/23/a34323ed47c3473c2ba661b588370be4.png

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wilkey, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wilkey, @Old Prude, @Matttt, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    A black mermaid is obviously a fantasy. Black women hate to get their hair wet – it’s expensive and time-consuming to go back to the salon to get it fixed.

    • Replies: @aldasfail770
    @Matttt

    https://wgntv.com/news/video-shows-women-attacking-macing-beauty-store-workers-in-wild-weave-heist/


    Plus weave is expensive.

  54. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    All of Disney’s live action adaptations have sucked.
     
    They cried all the way to the bank.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @guest

    No argument there. Disney has the same policy with its theme parks. Why people pay thousands of dollars on family vacations to Disneyland or Disneyworld only to spend all day standing in line is beyond me. But people drop billions each year for the privilege.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Wilkey

    When anything cultural comes up, there are always the snobs. Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @guest

  55. https://www.theopentheatre.com/about

    https://www.firstbaptistjp.org/page/the-centre-for-faith-art-justice

    Here are two examples of exactly this at church arts organizations in a single neighborhood of Boston. Both say in the descriptions that they are open to everyone, but then immediately qualify it by saying “and we really prefer anybody who’s not a straight white man.” The hypocrisy (or stupidity?) is mind-boggling. How can these people live with themselves?!

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Papinian

    Yes, "All are welcome" seems to have been replaced with "Hate has no home here" or something of that ilk.

    Of course, we know who they mean when they say "Hate."

  56. @Desiderius

    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.
     
    That idea long predates Orwell. There's even a Holy Bible about it.

    https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-4625

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @res, @AnotherDad

    Good historical point, but I am not seeing where ostracism was done in the name of being inclusive. Am I being dense? Sometimes it is helpful to spell things out. We are not all in the same frame of reference.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @res

    It was done to preserve the life and unity of the Demos.

    https://youtu.be/lc71JZzRBn4

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/604562.The_Scapegoat

    Replies: @res

  57. @res
    @Desiderius

    Good historical point, but I am not seeing where ostracism was done in the name of being inclusive. Am I being dense? Sometimes it is helpful to spell things out. We are not all in the same frame of reference.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It was done to preserve the life and unity of the Demos.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/604562.The_Scapegoat

    • Replies: @res
    @Desiderius

    OK. That is how I understood it. But to me that says while the history of ostracism is useful for understanding the present day version of it, the history I see does not address the specific point Steve and his friend are making (which is an excellent point, BTW).

    Are there any historical examples of exclusion being done in the name of inclusion? Hypocrisy is common enough that I would expect so. It's just that I don't know of any such examples. And would like to.

    Replies: @anon, @David, @Desiderius

  58. OT – (although tangentially related to Disney), apparently slavery is legal in the United States. At least there is one person who has legally been enslaved…………..Britney Spears:

    https://knpr.org/npr/2021-06/britney-spears-asks-court-end-conservatorship-detailing-its-control-over-her-life

  59. @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn't grasp the difference (in our system it isn't in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey's milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn't understand the concept at all.

    The bulk of the blame lies with those who failed to give proper deference to expressed will of the sovereign people embodied in that Head of State. Had that Head better appreciated that concept and enforced it his government would have run much more smoothly and many more of our aims would have been achieved.

    The Axios article is pretty explicit on the open defiance and the lack of consideration for why we nominated (many of those disloyal then and now are Rs) and elected Trump in the first place and why that matters. Same problem with the Interagency Consensus clowns.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Sean, @Jim Christian

    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn’t grasp the difference (in our system it isn’t in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey’s milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn’t understand the concept at all.

    Comey was never loyal to the office – and I mean neither offices of the Presidency nor the FBI Director. Comey is loyal to the consensus of the ruling class and his greatly outsized belief in his own (situationally flexible) probity. Add to this the fact that during the waning Obama days he took it upon himself to make an announcement with regard to the status of the investigation of Hillary Clinton which was transparently a whitewash, but which the ruling class nevertheless views as having helped Trump secure his electoral victory.

    Comey is also feigning to labor under the premise that the powers which were arrayed against Trump from before his inauguration were good faith actors rather than devious partisans abusing their offices in ways which one would expect only in collapsed third world nations. So when Trump is asking for “loyalty” in that situation, what he’s asking for is Comey to play it straight and not join the jackals working corruptly to stimy his Presidency and criminalize his political endeavors.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I'm very familiar with the (Niebuhrian) cultural milieu in which Comey came up. It bears some ironic similarities to the Nice-guy Machiavellianism of Anton, tho the two men couldn't be further apart when it comes to character, likewise alas Comey and Niebuhr himself.

    Comey was telling himself that he was being loyal to the institution which was why he was so offended that Trump asked for (personal) loyalty (instead?). He heard it as personal both due to Trump almost certainly meaning it in that sense and because Comey was looking for something to be offended by in the first place because bothsidesism is the governing philosophy of the R branch of the Unruling Class and he felt guilty about getting Trump elected.

    His original Clinton statement was (an obscenely out of place) whitewash but a heroic agent on the ground on the Wiener case forced him to make his hurried second statement that did in fact help Trump since it was so late causing the Third statement to be implausible. We thought we were voting to get rid of Comey types but the unconscionably corrupt R Senate had other ideas and here we are.

  60. res says:
    @Desiderius
    @res

    It was done to preserve the life and unity of the Demos.

    https://youtu.be/lc71JZzRBn4

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/604562.The_Scapegoat

    Replies: @res

    OK. That is how I understood it. But to me that says while the history of ostracism is useful for understanding the present day version of it, the history I see does not address the specific point Steve and his friend are making (which is an excellent point, BTW).

    Are there any historical examples of exclusion being done in the name of inclusion? Hypocrisy is common enough that I would expect so. It’s just that I don’t know of any such examples. And would like to.

    • Replies: @anon
    @res

    Are there any historical examples of exclusion being done in the name of inclusion?

    Probably not as "inclusion" is understood now.

    Themistocles was ostracized, but not for reasons most would necessarily understand in the Current Year. Although Nick Machiavelli would get it.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Themistocles

    No good deed goes unpunished.

    , @David
    @res

    There's the example of Thrasybulos indirectly advising Periander to consolidate his rule by killing his most eminent subjects.


    For he sent a messenger to Thrasybulos and asked what settlement of affairs was the safest for him to make, in order that he might best govern his State: and Thrasybulos led forth the messenger who had come from Periander out of the city, and entered into a field of growing corn; and as he passed through the crop of corn, while inquiring and asking questions repeatedly of the messenger about the occasion of his coming from Corinth, he kept cutting off the heads of those ears of corn which he saw higher than the rest; and as he cut off their heads he cast them away, until he had destroyed in this manner the finest and richest part of the crop. So having passed through the place and having suggested no word of counsel, he dismissed the messenger. When the messenger returned to Corinth, Periander was anxious to hear the counsel which had been given; but he said that Thrasybulos had given him no counsel, and added that he wondered at the deed of Periander in sending him to such a man, for the man was out of his senses and a waster of his own goods,—relating at the same time that which he had seen Thrasybulos do. So Periander, understanding that which had been done and perceiving that Thrasybulos counselled him to put to death those who were eminent among his subjects, began then to display all manner of evil treatment to the citizens of the State
     
    , @Desiderius
    @res

    That is what ostracism is by definition. The body rejects the irritant that is supposedly the cause of the disunity.

    Nailing Him to the Tree was pretty exclusive! And the Roman authorities did it to placate the Jewish mob so that they would feel more included in the Empire. And then there is centuries of Soteriology built on that dynamic with Christ as the eternal scapegoat that continually renews the unity of His Body through the Remembrance of his Sacrifice on our behalf.

    Read the Girard.

  61. Shot:

    Chaser:

    Come get your boy “conservatives”!

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Desiderius

    Washington Watcher II on US Senator John Cornyn from December of 2020:

    But now Cornyn is almost indistinguishable from Graham on the issue. He is one of the loudest Republicans demanding Congress pass a “permanent solution” (read: Amnesty) for illegal aliens who arrived in the U.S. as minors. “They deserve nothing less. These young men and women have done nothing wrong,” he said on the Senate floor in June. “They've defended our freedoms in the United States military.” He repeated in early December that Congress’s first priority in 2021 should be this Amnesty for so-called “Dreamers.” [Republican Sens. John Cornyn, Susan Collins: Start New Year with DACA Amnesty, by John Binder, Breitbart, December 3, 2020].

    Cornyn also hints at support for a larger Amnesty and says it’s failure is “one of my biggest disappointments in my time in the Senate”—an obviously absurd statement for someone who fought against it in the past [Biden win revives immigration talk, by Jordain Carney, The Hill, November 17, 2020].

    Additionally, Cornyn now strangely backs many Politically Correct virtue signals. He drafted legislation to make Juneteenth, designed to instill more white guilt and black hate for America, a federal holiday. He co-sponsored legislation to create a “Latino” national museum, which he says would correct the “willful neglect” of Hispanic heritage (It was surprisingly blocked by Sen. Mike Lee, who correctly argued we have no need for such a museum). [Cornyn-sponsored bill to build a national Latino museum blocked by Utah Sen. Mike Lee, by Elizabeth Thompson, Dallas Morning News, December 11, 2020]. Cornyn also supports “criminal justice reform” a.k.a. more Race Denial in law enforcement to tackle our nation’s “systemic inequalities” [Senate candidates Cornyn, Hegar discuss stance on Black Lives Matter, by John Tufts, San Angelo Standard-Times, October 12, 2020]

    The GOP Establishment looks poised to move on from Trump and return to business as usual. Without Trump, the party’s agenda will probably look like Cornyn’s recent priorities—Amnesty, Woke holidays, more capitulations to minority identity politics, and irrelevant honking about the federal deficit. And, of course, tax cuts. As Ann Coulter just Tweeted, echoing Talleyrand on the Bourbon restoration after the French Revolution, “They've learned nothing and forgotten nothing.”

    https://vdare.com/articles/learned-nothing-forgotten-nothing-texas-senator-john-cornyn-leads-gop-establishment-rush-to-dump-trumpism-but-base-doesn-t-agree

    https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1339264672244113420?s=20

    Tweet from 2014:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/491201806731468801?s=20

    , @Patrick in SC
    @Desiderius

    What the Hell is "kooky" about Rep. Rosedale's tweet?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  62. @Achmed E. Newman
    Of course, there was this now 30 year-old lie:

    Diversity is Strength.

    Now, they are adding on to the Commandments:

    Exclusion is Inclusion.

    Discrimination is Fairness.

    Equal Opportunity is @$^^##!%@&^ MEMORY HOLED.
    Equity is Justice.

    Security is Freedom.

    Speech is Violence.

    Protesting is Insurrection. (for some animals. Ooops, different Orwell book.)

    Violence is Peaceful. (for others.)

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @bomag, @Dr. X, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @guest

    Speech is Violence.

    “Your speech is violence. Our violence is speech.”

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  63. Whenever I saw one of those multiracial bus shelter ads in the city, especially those with children, I always wanted to come around at night and blot out the white kid’s face with paint. To send a subtle message.

    Here is a billboard that beat me to it!

    Rather than fight the “whites are not welcome” meme, we should be encouraging it. It exposes the other side as the frauds they are and have always been.

    Get your Paint® brush ready:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of Canada.

    It seems that Canadians currently stumble upon "unmarked mass graves from Catholic School leftovers" as if it were really Argentina.

    I have no idea what's going on but people are told to "stand with"

    https://twitter.com/perrybellegarde/status/1407842334050557958

    I reckon that if they are finding them in Canada but not in Tulsa, there ain't none in Tulsa.

    Replies: @Altai, @Faraday's Bobcat

  64. anon[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @res
    @Desiderius

    OK. That is how I understood it. But to me that says while the history of ostracism is useful for understanding the present day version of it, the history I see does not address the specific point Steve and his friend are making (which is an excellent point, BTW).

    Are there any historical examples of exclusion being done in the name of inclusion? Hypocrisy is common enough that I would expect so. It's just that I don't know of any such examples. And would like to.

    Replies: @anon, @David, @Desiderius

    Are there any historical examples of exclusion being done in the name of inclusion?

    Probably not as “inclusion” is understood now.

    Themistocles was ostracized, but not for reasons most would necessarily understand in the Current Year. Although Nick Machiavelli would get it.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Themistocles

    No good deed goes unpunished.

  65. https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/fbi-tears-new-yorkers-life-into-shreds-devine/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter_app

    “Conservative” senators could give a shit. You just re-elected “the other side” to Congress, Reg.

  66. @Reg Cæsar
    Whenever I saw one of those multiracial bus shelter ads in the city, especially those with children, I always wanted to come around at night and blot out the white kid's face with paint. To send a subtle message.


    Here is a billboard that beat me to it!



    https://www.lifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/canada15.png



    Rather than fight the "whites are not welcome" meme, we should be encouraging it. It exposes the other side as the frauds they are and have always been.


    Get your Paint® brush ready:





    https://storage.googleapis.com/adforum-media/6685824/ARNC_04391_6685824A.JPG

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/11/03/article-0-053A811F0000044D-836_468x369.jpg

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hU4WFhh8CWM/TSNSgGYIlYI/AAAAAAAAAhI/taD7m1Di26M/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/gay_parenting_campaign.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato

    Speaking of Canada.

    It seems that Canadians currently stumble upon “unmarked mass graves from Catholic School leftovers” as if it were really Argentina.

    I have no idea what’s going on but people are told to “stand with”

    I reckon that if they are finding them in Canada but not in Tulsa, there ain’t none in Tulsa.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @El Dato

    The graves were from residential schools run mostly during the time of the deaths by nuns for Indigenous, basically a good deal of them died over many years from abuse by the nuns. I'm not sure if the schools run by Jesuits had the same problem.

    Replies: @Catdog

    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    @El Dato

    I honestly don't get this. Do people not realize there are literally millions of unmarked graves all over the place? Sometimes in big groups? They need to watch a couple of episodes of Time Team.

  67. “Inclusion” is a seemingly innocuous term that creates a justification for censorship.

    It’s like a Trojan horse.

    In addition to forcing people to be PC on identity issues (race, gender, orientation), a second-order effect is to make people more hesitant to speak their mind on ANY issue. People become fearful that they could get in trouble if they say the “wrong” thing, so they just defer to the authorities even on issues that are NOT identity-related.

    This second-order effect is purely unintentional. When PC was created, nobody could’ve foreseen it.

    It’s sort of like the “broken windows theory.” When you clamp down on a certain type of activity through aggressive enforcement, the public will get the signal and refrain from engaging in similar types of activities – even if those activities are not harshly punished.

  68. @Desiderius
    Shot:

    https://twitter.com/RepRosendale/status/1408076535207243776?s=20

    Chaser:

    https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/status/1405290573737578496?s=20

    Come get your boy "conservatives"!

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Patrick in SC

    Washington Watcher II on US Senator John Cornyn from December of 2020:

    But now Cornyn is almost indistinguishable from Graham on the issue. He is one of the loudest Republicans demanding Congress pass a “permanent solution” (read: Amnesty) for illegal aliens who arrived in the U.S. as minors. “They deserve nothing less. These young men and women have done nothing wrong,” he said on the Senate floor in June. “They’ve defended our freedoms in the United States military.” He repeated in early December that Congress’s first priority in 2021 should be this Amnesty for so-called “Dreamers.” [Republican Sens. John Cornyn, Susan Collins: Start New Year with DACA Amnesty, by John Binder, Breitbart, December 3, 2020].

    Cornyn also hints at support for a larger Amnesty and says it’s failure is “one of my biggest disappointments in my time in the Senate”—an obviously absurd statement for someone who fought against it in the past [Biden win revives immigration talk, by Jordain Carney, The Hill, November 17, 2020].

    Additionally, Cornyn now strangely backs many Politically Correct virtue signals. He drafted legislation to make Juneteenth, designed to instill more white guilt and black hate for America, a federal holiday. He co-sponsored legislation to create a “Latino” national museum, which he says would correct the “willful neglect” of Hispanic heritage (It was surprisingly blocked by Sen. Mike Lee, who correctly argued we have no need for such a museum). [Cornyn-sponsored bill to build a national Latino museum blocked by Utah Sen. Mike Lee, by Elizabeth Thompson, Dallas Morning News, December 11, 2020]. Cornyn also supports “criminal justice reform” a.k.a. more Race Denial in law enforcement to tackle our nation’s “systemic inequalities” [Senate candidates Cornyn, Hegar discuss stance on Black Lives Matter, by John Tufts, San Angelo Standard-Times, October 12, 2020]

    The GOP Establishment looks poised to move on from Trump and return to business as usual. Without Trump, the party’s agenda will probably look like Cornyn’s recent priorities—Amnesty, Woke holidays, more capitulations to minority identity politics, and irrelevant honking about the federal deficit. And, of course, tax cuts. As Ann Coulter just Tweeted, echoing Talleyrand on the Bourbon restoration after the French Revolution, “They’ve learned nothing and forgotten nothing.”

    https://vdare.com/articles/learned-nothing-forgotten-nothing-texas-senator-john-cornyn-leads-gop-establishment-rush-to-dump-trumpism-but-base-doesn-t-agree

    Tweet from 2014:

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  69. @res
    @Desiderius

    OK. That is how I understood it. But to me that says while the history of ostracism is useful for understanding the present day version of it, the history I see does not address the specific point Steve and his friend are making (which is an excellent point, BTW).

    Are there any historical examples of exclusion being done in the name of inclusion? Hypocrisy is common enough that I would expect so. It's just that I don't know of any such examples. And would like to.

    Replies: @anon, @David, @Desiderius

    There’s the example of Thrasybulos indirectly advising Periander to consolidate his rule by killing his most eminent subjects.

    [MORE]

    For he sent a messenger to Thrasybulos and asked what settlement of affairs was the safest for him to make, in order that he might best govern his State: and Thrasybulos led forth the messenger who had come from Periander out of the city, and entered into a field of growing corn; and as he passed through the crop of corn, while inquiring and asking questions repeatedly of the messenger about the occasion of his coming from Corinth, he kept cutting off the heads of those ears of corn which he saw higher than the rest; and as he cut off their heads he cast them away, until he had destroyed in this manner the finest and richest part of the crop. So having passed through the place and having suggested no word of counsel, he dismissed the messenger. When the messenger returned to Corinth, Periander was anxious to hear the counsel which had been given; but he said that Thrasybulos had given him no counsel, and added that he wondered at the deed of Periander in sending him to such a man, for the man was out of his senses and a waster of his own goods,—relating at the same time that which he had seen Thrasybulos do. So Periander, understanding that which had been done and perceiving that Thrasybulos counselled him to put to death those who were eminent among his subjects, began then to display all manner of evil treatment to the citizens of the State

  70. @Wilkey
    @Jack D

    No argument there. Disney has the same policy with its theme parks. Why people pay thousands of dollars on family vacations to Disneyland or Disneyworld only to spend all day standing in line is beyond me. But people drop billions each year for the privilege.

    Replies: @guest007

    When anything cultural comes up, there are always the snobs. Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @guest007

    "Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day."

    A local park - where he also won't be forced to suffocate himself all day under a Facediaper.

    Imagine the stupidity of someone paying $200 a person to suffocate and dehumanize themselves and family all day..... for a hoax.

    Btw, Sailer, I noticed on your last CoronaHoax post that That Would Be Shilling was nowhere to be found - and your tone was very bitchy. Did Pfizer meet its profit targets and cut off the money to you and TWB Shilling?

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @guest007

    , @guest
    @guest007

    What are you talking about? I could make a 5 year-old happy by giving him a frickin' rock to play with.

    Replies: @guest007

  71. You goddamned negligent sons of bitches. We let you get away with doing this to Trump and his people then foolishly re-elected you, so now you’re coming after us. Well now you’ve got another 30% of the country who understands why 50% despise you. You may unify us yet.

  72. Off Topic but:

    This is the beginning of the end

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Tim

    The government got very harshly criticised by a media that seemed quite indifferent to the lies it told to start the Iraq war about not giving automatic green cards or asylum to collaborators/translators who worked for the US.

    For the US media the tragedy of the Iraq war wasn't all the death and destruction but that chances to import more immigrants weren't taken advantage of to their fullest.

    , @J.Ross
    @Tim

    And here I was thinking I would die from a heart attack or a car accident. Exciting times are ahead.

  73. @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn't grasp the difference (in our system it isn't in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey's milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn't understand the concept at all.

    The bulk of the blame lies with those who failed to give proper deference to expressed will of the sovereign people embodied in that Head of State. Had that Head better appreciated that concept and enforced it his government would have run much more smoothly and many more of our aims would have been achieved.

    The Axios article is pretty explicit on the open defiance and the lack of consideration for why we nominated (many of those disloyal then and now are Rs) and elected Trump in the first place and why that matters. Same problem with the Interagency Consensus clowns.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Sean, @Jim Christian

    “They’re not after me, they’re after you.. I’m just standing in their way” ~ Donald Trump

    • Thanks: Charon
  74. @res
    @Desiderius

    OK. That is how I understood it. But to me that says while the history of ostracism is useful for understanding the present day version of it, the history I see does not address the specific point Steve and his friend are making (which is an excellent point, BTW).

    Are there any historical examples of exclusion being done in the name of inclusion? Hypocrisy is common enough that I would expect so. It's just that I don't know of any such examples. And would like to.

    Replies: @anon, @David, @Desiderius

    That is what ostracism is by definition. The body rejects the irritant that is supposedly the cause of the disunity.

    Nailing Him to the Tree was pretty exclusive! And the Roman authorities did it to placate the Jewish mob so that they would feel more included in the Empire. And then there is centuries of Soteriology built on that dynamic with Christ as the eternal scapegoat that continually renews the unity of His Body through the Remembrance of his Sacrifice on our behalf.

    Read the Girard.

  75. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    A reasonably friendly conversation with a cute, college age Hispanic girl on the plane next to me:

    Her (assuming, I guess, that "The Little Mermaid" is set in the Caribbean): 'It's great that her race is going to match the story.'

    Me: 'It's based on a story by a 19th Century Danish author. It's set in Europe.'

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR, @Altai, @Pericles

    I do like how the girl on the plane decided where the cartoon was supposed to be set based on the exaggerated Barbadian accent of a talking crab though while ignoring practically every other aspect of it. Though the cartoon isn’t really set anywhere except fantasy Europe.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @Altai

    It’s hard to get upset about modern updates to Disney films. . The animated Disney version is a sham to begin with. The original, far more interesting , story had no happily ever after for the former mermaid. He always watered down classic fairy tales into silly dreck with the difficult morals removed.

    What McDonalds is to healthy food Disney was to classic stories.

  76. Time to face facts: some people are just more equal than others.

  77. @Altai
    They really, really hate redheads.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/43/23/a34323ed47c3473c2ba661b588370be4.png

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Wilkey, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wilkey, @Old Prude, @Matttt, @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “They really, really hate redheads.”

    Mayhap. But like The Stones said, “Black girls just wanna get fucked all night”…. and, in my experience, so do redheads – goddam they’re insatiable. Casting Ariel as a black chick is imminently apropos.

  78. @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of Canada.

    It seems that Canadians currently stumble upon "unmarked mass graves from Catholic School leftovers" as if it were really Argentina.

    I have no idea what's going on but people are told to "stand with"

    https://twitter.com/perrybellegarde/status/1407842334050557958

    I reckon that if they are finding them in Canada but not in Tulsa, there ain't none in Tulsa.

    Replies: @Altai, @Faraday's Bobcat

    The graves were from residential schools run mostly during the time of the deaths by nuns for Indigenous, basically a good deal of them died over many years from abuse by the nuns. I’m not sure if the schools run by Jesuits had the same problem.

    • Replies: @Catdog
    @Altai

    Is there even any proof that these bodies exist?

  79. @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn't grasp the difference (in our system it isn't in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey's milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn't understand the concept at all.

    The bulk of the blame lies with those who failed to give proper deference to expressed will of the sovereign people embodied in that Head of State. Had that Head better appreciated that concept and enforced it his government would have run much more smoothly and many more of our aims would have been achieved.

    The Axios article is pretty explicit on the open defiance and the lack of consideration for why we nominated (many of those disloyal then and now are Rs) and elected Trump in the first place and why that matters. Same problem with the Interagency Consensus clowns.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Sean, @Jim Christian

    Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case

    That’s completely untrue. Comey was loyal to and corrupted his office for, the democratic party, Hillary, and the Deep State. The notion that anyone in the FBI is loyal to the intent of the office and the law to the exclusion of the democratic party is nonsensical. Comey? There aren’t enough descriptors for his corruptions in the English language.

    Loyal to the office. Yer a hoot!

    • Agree: gandydancer
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jim Christian

    This is why you're losing. Want to keep losing keep your head buried in the sand. You're getting the government you deserve but unfortunately I'm getting the government you deserve too and I'm tired of it.

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff. Their entire identity is built around preserving the sacred institutions they have been so honored to serve, or at least the imaginary ones in their minds turned to mush by too much abstraction. They've had their run of the place due to the incompetence and corruption of their R counterparts in the Senate who if anything have their heads even more lost in the clouds.

    "Congressman Rosendale on why he voted against Juneteenth: "In theory, there is nothing wrong with a celebration of emancipation... But we don’t live in theory." Something conservatives used to understand! Very good op-ed."

    There are three factions in play not two.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1407916075090550786?s=20

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

  80. @Desiderius
    Shot:

    https://twitter.com/RepRosendale/status/1408076535207243776?s=20

    Chaser:

    https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/status/1405290573737578496?s=20

    Come get your boy "conservatives"!

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Patrick in SC

    What the Hell is “kooky” about Rep. Rosedale’s tweet?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Patrick in SC

    I'd advise you ask Sen. Cornyn that question if you live in Texas. Love to know the answer myself.

    I've got an idea: my calls to Sen. Portman have gone to a very polite young lady (I was polite as I could muster and I can be very polite believe it or not) who as far as I can tell didn't understand a word I was saying. Likewise all the replies to Cornyn tweets consist of mean girl bullying from progs and wokels.

  81. @Tim
    Off Topic but:

    https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1408127910192500738


    This is the beginning of the end

    Replies: @Altai, @J.Ross

    The government got very harshly criticised by a media that seemed quite indifferent to the lies it told to start the Iraq war about not giving automatic green cards or asylum to collaborators/translators who worked for the US.

    For the US media the tragedy of the Iraq war wasn’t all the death and destruction but that chances to import more immigrants weren’t taken advantage of to their fullest.

  82. The use of deliberate exclusion by pseudoreligious groups like the Woke reminds me of the practice of shunning, used in many churches in America. This practice is mostly supported by the Constitution, under the “free exercise” doctrine.

    This Comment discusses the practice of “shunning,” which involves the complete withdrawal of social, spiritual, and economic contact from a member or former member of a religious group. The shunned person can lose, among other things, her spouse, children, business, and standing in the community.

    Religious groups shun former members out of the sincere religious conviction that they are doing the right thing, but such conduct intentionally hurts the person who is shunned. Shunning is not evil in itself, but, if groups are given license to shun at will, there is potential for abuse. By definition, shunning seeks to quell dissent and subject individuals to the will of the group.

    DAMNED IF YOU DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON’T: RELIGIOUS SHUNNING AND THE FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE

    How many people have been forced to divorce, how many people have lost jobs and careers, how many people who made money with Youtube have been ruined, when they were shunned by the Woke?

  83. @Prester John
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Bingo!

    And it never ceases to amaze how many people actually buy into this dreck.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Just trying to make sure they have a chair when the music stops.

  84. @guest007
    @Wilkey

    When anything cultural comes up, there are always the snobs. Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @guest

    “Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day.”

    A local park – where he also won’t be forced to suffocate himself all day under a Facediaper.

    Imagine the stupidity of someone paying $200 a person to suffocate and dehumanize themselves and family all day….. for a hoax.

    Btw, Sailer, I noticed on your last CoronaHoax post that That Would Be Shilling was nowhere to be found – and your tone was very bitchy. Did Pfizer meet its profit targets and cut off the money to you and TWB Shilling?

    • Troll: guest007
    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I know where you do your laundry, and I dumped a big box of used masks in the dryer with a load of your shirts. Some of the masks had boogers and one had a little puke on it.

    , @guest007
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Once again a Covid-19 truther who denies that the the number of deaths in the U.S. increased by 15%, that every public health official in the U.S. and the rest of the world is lying, and the Bolsonaro and Orban are great leaders.

  85. @Papinian
    https://www.theopentheatre.com/about

    https://www.firstbaptistjp.org/page/the-centre-for-faith-art-justice

    Here are two examples of exactly this at church arts organizations in a single neighborhood of Boston. Both say in the descriptions that they are open to everyone, but then immediately qualify it by saying "and we really prefer anybody who's not a straight white man." The hypocrisy (or stupidity?) is mind-boggling. How can these people live with themselves?!

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Yes, “All are welcome” seems to have been replaced with “Hate has no home here” or something of that ilk.

    Of course, we know who they mean when they say “Hate.”

  86. @Patrick in SC
    @Desiderius

    What the Hell is "kooky" about Rep. Rosedale's tweet?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I’d advise you ask Sen. Cornyn that question if you live in Texas. Love to know the answer myself.

    I’ve got an idea: my calls to Sen. Portman have gone to a very polite young lady (I was polite as I could muster and I can be very polite believe it or not) who as far as I can tell didn’t understand a word I was saying. Likewise all the replies to Cornyn tweets consist of mean girl bullying from progs and wokels.

  87. @Wilkey
    @Altai

    A reasonably friendly conversation with a cute, college age Hispanic girl on the plane next to me:

    Her (assuming, I guess, that "The Little Mermaid" is set in the Caribbean): 'It's great that her race is going to match the story.'

    Me: 'It's based on a story by a 19th Century Danish author. It's set in Europe.'

    Replies: @Jack D, @Bardon Kaldian, @AndrewR, @Altai, @Pericles

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Pericles

    Put her where she belongs:


    https://cetra.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/racist-park.jpg?w=278&h=228

  88. We’re going to have a “conversation”.

    That means to the black democrats, “we talk, we define the terms, you shut up and check your privilege.”

  89. @Jack D
    @Wilkey


    All of Disney’s live action adaptations have sucked.
     
    They cried all the way to the bank.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @guest

    Yes. Then again, they could have made every more money by not sucking.

  90. @guest007
    @Wilkey

    When anything cultural comes up, there are always the snobs. Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @guest

    What are you talking about? I could make a 5 year-old happy by giving him a frickin’ rock to play with.

    • Agree: Polemos
    • Replies: @guest007
    @guest

    But playing with the rock does not make good selfies. Once again, some people are snobs. It is amazing the number of families who go to Disneyworld more than once. If it was too expensive and a bad experience, Disney would not keep expanding.

  91. Off topic

    Brandeis university has banned more words so as not to upset the ultra ultra sensitive. Two words are trigger warning. Because guns have triggers. Another word is picnic. Because in the USA no one ever used the word until after the civil war when lynching innocent blacks became a major social occasion for the evil southerners.

    According to the idiot intellectuals of Brandeis, lynching innocent blacks became the main focus of social gatherings in the south. Something like the summer bloc parties or church, chamber of commerce Elks Moose Masons Hibernian Hall Knights of Columbus, company, factory other organizations summer parties.

    So the southern word for lynching of innocent blacks for fun and having a party was; still is picnic.

    Actually it’s a French word means potluck or bring a little something to a party or gathering . Connotes finger food too.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Alden

    You could get into a lot of trouble using a word like "picnicker," i. e. one who picnics.

    , @res
    @Alden

    Banning "picnic" is crazy (also banned ; ). They banned "rule of thumb" as well.
    https://nypost.com/2021/06/24/brandeis-warns-students-not-to-say-picnic-rule-of-thumb/


    “Rule of thumb” can be replaced with “general rule” because the former “allegedly comes from an old British law allowing men to beat their wives with sticks no wider than their thumb.”
     
    Wikipedia actually has a decent page on that. The inch explanation sounds much more likely to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb

    A partial list.

    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/06/words.jpg
  92. TWS says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Desiderius

    Not such a bad idea.

    Maybe all presidents should have their citizenship suspended for 10 years after they complete a term of office, so that they cannot threaten stability of the ensuing regime.

    The United States has always had this method of ostracism by which middle class citizens could be cast out into the proletariat by means of debt default, credit checks, and having their credit cards canceled.

    Maybe what is now needed is ideological credit bureaus that would issue correct thinking purity cards that would be required at preemployment documentation reviews.

    Such companies would then be financed by the corporations that used their services. If you can find a way to make a profit out of something, it will catch on in America.

    Ideological credit would take into account information collected from Google and Facebook and internet browsing histories so that even people who have been minimally exposed to impure thoughts can be downgraded.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Replies: @WJ, @TWS

    Please tell us you are unemployed, retired, A remittance man, anything but employed at any job whatsoever. I can only imagine you accidentally causing death and destruction doing nearly anything.

    At first, I just thought, ‘he’s ignorant but not dangerous’. Now I’m terrified by the thought of you having anything to do at all.

  93. @RichardTaylor
    Why not exclude Whites who are anti-White?

    Stop protecting them. As a related example, large parts of New England (the old stock) couldn't figure out if America or the USSR was the bad guy during the Cold War. The Ivy League was full of pro-Soviet activity.

    They found it gauche to be too American. But the rest of the country was forced to save them. We don't have that luxury of supporting people who are lukewarm about our existence anymore.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    Thanks and complete agree. My comment about General “Che” Milly was angry because it is obvious from the quip that 1, Milly is yet another military idiot trying to be an intellectual by reading books and he can’t pull it off, and 2, he was clearly gang-signalling as woke as the next soyboy while pretending not to be, objecting to the idea that reading Mao makes you a communist (and not seeing the contradiction? or taking for granted he’d get away with it?). But maybe he’s a well-meaning low-verbal? Actually, reading Mao to understand Mao makes you an idiot. Communists are liars. You should always go by their actions because their words give you no predictive power regarding their future actions. The only good bit in Ernesto’s guerrilla warfare book is him admitting how bad he was at it. And he claimed to be offended by the question, hence the reference to Christie (who batted away a question about his own kids going to private school by misrecognizing it as an attack on his kids), but we could compare that to clever dissembling by such other Green Berets as Carl Reiner, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, or Abbie Hoffman.
    Our flag officers are completely sold on the idea that, as blacks shoot eachother, cartels ship kids, the world laughs at our declining power, and teenagers and young adults burn down buildings and steal shoes, every last lawful white gun owner needs to be executed without a trial. This is the priority of the administration and what they are focusing on.

  94. @J.Ross
    OT I have never felt smarter and better qualified than a guy who achieved more than me, than listening to General Milly babble about Harvard University and three-quarters of a human being and January 6th being a threat to the Constitution as he attempted to Christie his way out of a straightforward question. Some of our government are employees of Beijing and some of them are just really Milly dumb.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    JRoss! You’re a smart guy, engineer of some discipline or other, right? The apartment building in Florida that collapsed last night? The part of the building that stands looks like a collapse threat all its own to my layman’s eye. Achmed knows some of this, Steve should give us a blog on that. Hideous!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jim Christian

    What is it with Florida and collapses?

    Replies: @Jim Christian

  95. @Jim Christian
    @Desiderius


    Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case
     
    That's completely untrue. Comey was loyal to and corrupted his office for, the democratic party, Hillary, and the Deep State. The notion that anyone in the FBI is loyal to the intent of the office and the law to the exclusion of the democratic party is nonsensical. Comey? There aren't enough descriptors for his corruptions in the English language.

    Loyal to the office. Yer a hoot!

    Replies: @Desiderius

    This is why you’re losing. Want to keep losing keep your head buried in the sand. You’re getting the government you deserve but unfortunately I’m getting the government you deserve too and I’m tired of it.

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff. Their entire identity is built around preserving the sacred institutions they have been so honored to serve, or at least the imaginary ones in their minds turned to mush by too much abstraction. They’ve had their run of the place due to the incompetence and corruption of their R counterparts in the Senate who if anything have their heads even more lost in the clouds.

    “Congressman Rosendale on why he voted against Juneteenth: “In theory, there is nothing wrong with a celebration of emancipation… But we don’t live in theory.” Something conservatives used to understand! Very good op-ed.”

    There are three factions in play not two.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Desiderius

    Nonsense. Comey laid off Hillary and her criminal minions and assassination gang and prosecuted the ham sandwich name of Trump. Losing? I no longer give a shit. I'm White, a veteran, male, bang women not men and these blue states daily demonstrate their hatred for me. I'm out of it, took my marbles and left perverted Washington DC. Losing? I win, I get to enjoy their self-immolation. From way afar.

    I celebrate the blacks and their self-immolation and the Alphabet Soup Of Sexual Depravity and their maniacal, sick fucking proclamations. Feminists? Blacks notice how privileged these white liberal feminist women who hate me are and the entire enterprise is so sick, men pretending to be get to go into locker rooms with the actual female children of liberal feminists and the feminists themselves and swing their dicks around and if the women complain, they can go to jail and be ruined. Losing? You're full of shit. I'm winning with every passing perversion that is normalized.

    Too quote Charlie Sheen, "WINNING!".

    Did I mention you're full of shit? Tell me how I lose? Show me the loss? I'm winning watching all those who hate me murder and rape each other. Checkmate, Nigger.

    Why do I talk to you like a child? Because when I talk to you like an adult, you don't listen. You're smarter than that Dissy. Grow up and smell the humus.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff.

    They aren't. Comey was registered to vote in Virginia, which doesn't have party registration. He then moved to DC and registered blank. I've been asking people who tell me Mueller is a Republican to identify where he was registered to vote. I've checked several state databases and find nothing. The one person in this nexus who was an identifiable Republican was Rod Rosenstein, who was awarded a US Attorney's slot during the regime of BO's wingman.

    In truth, Mueller, Comey, and Rosenstein are government lifers who've spent north of 2/3 of their adult worklife on the payroll of the Department of Justice.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    There is no such thing as a 'forever war' crowd. Mr. Hanania needs to learn the difference between his rhetorical flourishes and actual social reality.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian

  96. @Achmed E. Newman
    Of course, there was this now 30 year-old lie:

    Diversity is Strength.

    Now, they are adding on to the Commandments:

    Exclusion is Inclusion.

    Discrimination is Fairness.

    Equal Opportunity is @$^^##!%@&^ MEMORY HOLED.
    Equity is Justice.

    Security is Freedom.

    Speech is Violence.

    Protesting is Insurrection. (for some animals. Ooops, different Orwell book.)

    Violence is Peaceful. (for others.)

    Replies: @Hannah Katz, @bomag, @Dr. X, @Prester John, @Reg Cæsar, @guest

    This is a fun game to play, but the Ruling P.C. Order has no need to be so clever as were Stalinists. It doesn’t rise to the level of being Orwellian.

    The exclusion necessary to having to “Inclusion” is not hidden from people through doublethink or any trick of conscience. Heavy propaganda and a series of unwarranted assumptions are involved, but I think that ground had been prepared well in advance. Way before P.C. or Wokeness took over.

    All that’s required now is for people not to think. Which they’re happy to do, because thinking about nonsense is degrading.

    [MORE]

    In 1984 a certain member of the Outer Party found it intellectually burdensome to flip and flop his mind over concepts and their opposites. Like freedom and slavery, for instance. But who needs this sort of mind-trickery now? No one needs to be told Exclusion is actually Inclusion. They just accept whatever is labelled “Inclusion” as inclusive only with no exclusive sid -effec t.
    Or, if the side-effects are noticed, those affected deserved it because they dirty gutter rats.

    —–

    About ground being prepared well in advance, our civilization’s understanding of Inclusion-Exclusion and all that derives from Enlightenment philosophy. Maybe a little from Christianity, but moreso from Locke.

    Back in Lockean times “Tolerance” was a good thing it meant you tolerated only certain people. Not everyone , but those worthy of being tolerated. Looking backwards, some idiots call this the “paradox of Tolerance” or somesuch. As in you can’t tolerate the intolerant or else the tolerance thing won’t work. Which is true, however “tolerance” won’t ever work no matter what. And I don’t think it was ever meant to work the way some people would prefer in an ideal world.

    No, it was always about excluding whom you wanted to include and including whom you didn’t want excluded. Which is why in Locke’s day they wanted to exclude Catholics. Not because Catholiucs were intolerant. Protestants were intolerant too. No, because if Catholics were allowed into the protective bubble of toleration they’d try to take over. And Catholics taking over meant all the land old stuff like inquisition.

    Ah, you might interject, inquisition is bad because intolerant. False. Inquisition bar because Catholics ran them. If you’re a Protestant you don’t want a group who isn’t you in charge. Especially if you think that group would endanger your immortal soul.

    —–

    Back to the present, we condition members of our culture to accept the ideal form of Toleration. Which is just: “tolerate, mm’kay.” Except we don’t tolerate everyone, and we know this. The answer is supposed to be, well, w we can’t tolerate the intolerant, can we?

    Uh, we’re intolerant, then. Can we tolerate ourselves?

    This is the supposed “paradox,” and it’s bunk.

    In trtue, no one believes in toleration that tolerant of everything but the intolerant. That’s just a way we frame things. It’s one of the many lies we tell ourselves.

    Regarding Inclusion/Exclusion, we don’t even tell ourselves that lie. It’s based upon the Toleration lie, but we are conditioned not to think about the Exclusion necessary to have Inclusion. It simply doesn’t exist in most people’s minds.

    One has no need to tell oneself Orwellian lies if there are no uncomfortable truths to be reconciled.

  97. @Tim
    Off Topic but:

    https://twitter.com/NPRinskeep/status/1408127910192500738


    This is the beginning of the end

    Replies: @Altai, @J.Ross

    And here I was thinking I would die from a heart attack or a car accident. Exciting times are ahead.

  98. extrusion.

    excluding the dissident to achieve inclusion.

  99. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Desiderius


    Trump meant loyal to him, whereas Comey was raised to be loyal to the office not the man. Comey was spoiling for a fight in any case but this guy is saying that Trump either didn’t grasp the difference (in our system it isn’t in fact supposed to be as stark as those in Comey’s milieu make it out to be since the President is Head of State as well as Head of Government) or didn’t understand the concept at all.
     
    Comey was never loyal to the office - and I mean neither offices of the Presidency nor the FBI Director. Comey is loyal to the consensus of the ruling class and his greatly outsized belief in his own (situationally flexible) probity. Add to this the fact that during the waning Obama days he took it upon himself to make an announcement with regard to the status of the investigation of Hillary Clinton which was transparently a whitewash, but which the ruling class nevertheless views as having helped Trump secure his electoral victory.

    Comey is also feigning to labor under the premise that the powers which were arrayed against Trump from before his inauguration were good faith actors rather than devious partisans abusing their offices in ways which one would expect only in collapsed third world nations. So when Trump is asking for "loyalty" in that situation, what he's asking for is Comey to play it straight and not join the jackals working corruptly to stimy his Presidency and criminalize his political endeavors.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I’m very familiar with the (Niebuhrian) cultural milieu in which Comey came up. It bears some ironic similarities to the Nice-guy Machiavellianism of Anton, tho the two men couldn’t be further apart when it comes to character, likewise alas Comey and Niebuhr himself.

    Comey was telling himself that he was being loyal to the institution which was why he was so offended that Trump asked for (personal) loyalty (instead?). He heard it as personal both due to Trump almost certainly meaning it in that sense and because Comey was looking for something to be offended by in the first place because bothsidesism is the governing philosophy of the R branch of the Unruling Class and he felt guilty about getting Trump elected.

    His original Clinton statement was (an obscenely out of place) whitewash but a heroic agent on the ground on the Wiener case forced him to make his hurried second statement that did in fact help Trump since it was so late causing the Third statement to be implausible. We thought we were voting to get rid of Comey types but the unconscionably corrupt R Senate had other ideas and here we are.

  100. @Altai
    @El Dato

    The graves were from residential schools run mostly during the time of the deaths by nuns for Indigenous, basically a good deal of them died over many years from abuse by the nuns. I'm not sure if the schools run by Jesuits had the same problem.

    Replies: @Catdog

    Is there even any proof that these bodies exist?

  101. @Wilkey

    In the cartoon version, aren’t the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline?
     
    That may have been the source for her assumption that it was set in the Caribbean, but Disney movies often feature secondary characters/sidekicks out of time or place for their movie, especially with regard to accents. Eddie Murphy voiced a jive-talking (or at least extremely African-American) Mushu in "Mulan." "The Lion King," set in Africa, features the über-English actors Jeremy Irons as Scar and Rowan Atkinson as Zazu.

    Obviously all the Disney characters speak English, no matter where the films are set, so the issue of accent is not quite the same as skin color. The race and ethnicity of the main characters in Disney movies always matches the locale, sfaik. Anna & Elsa are Scandinavian. Merida is a red-haired Scot. Lilo & Moana are Pacific Islanders. Mulan is Chinese. Aladdin & Jasmine are Arab. Tiana is black. Etc, etc, etc.

    Having a calypso-singing crab in "The Little Mermaid" no more means that it is set in the Caribbean than Eddie Murphy's & Jeremy Irons' characters mean that "Mulan" is set in Detroit and "The Lion Ling" is set in London. Ariel is the daughter of a Greek god, Triton, in a story written by a Danish author and, when above the ocean, the film is indisputably set in Europe - from European sailing ships and castles to French chefs.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @35 Wilkey: But Jack D, as the eternal outsider and resident expert on everything, is so terribly comfortable with Juice Disney moving around stories and cultural settings. He likes the cartoon version so, really, he finds your insistence that the tale originated in the mind and culture of a White, Christian European to be dreadfully provincial. Why can’t you be more open-minded and cosmopolitan, like Jack? For example the Torah ought to be updated in pidgin or ebonics, for all those multiracial Jews we’re told live in Israel.

    Why people at Sailer act as though everyone else comments in good faith, after repeated examples that they don’t, never ceases to amaze me.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @3g4me

    Well some of us are woke to that particular phenomenon, and some are not. Reasons vary.

    , @Jack D
    @3g4me

    The original story is in the public domain. If you want to make an all white version then go for it. But I think that Disney has a pretty good idea of how to make cartoons.

    Your analogy is stupid. The Little Mermaid is not the Holy Scriptures. But Mideval Europeans had no problem making Jesus a blond haired Aryan type guy in their paintings.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  102. So what is the end game of excluding most / all White males, or at least the straight ones? Really? Already we can see most White people view the government as illegitimate and their sworn enemy, sworn to kill them. Helped along by Biden threatening to nuke America and bomb it with F-15s.

    Gen Milley is hoping to just hang on and retire, by mouthing woke anti-White stuff. What happens when Lloyd Austin finishes with purging every last White out of the military? What then?

    And what is the plan, the solution, to all those White men purged? They just don’t disappear into Dimension X. Religious shunning was always careful to shun half the population. The decline of New England can be traced to the Witch Trials. The relatives of the accused were poor and not powerful. But they themselves were not killed, and remained implacable enemies of those who killed their kin. They led Indian raiders from Metacomet and others right to the doors of their enemies. They did not succeed in destroying the colony but neither did the colony ever recover its place as the leader among the others (which went to Virginia).

    Most people pretty much know what the elites have planned for Whites after they are excluded for inclusion. As Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth.

  103. Anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    In the cartoon version, aren't the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline? The cartoon would have been boring if it was just Ariel and a bunch of herrings. Also, IIRC, some of the characters had West Indian accents and sang Calypso type songs with steel drums, etc.:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_mV1IpjWA

    Sebastian's voice was provided by Samuel E. Wright. Wright passed away (unnoticed) about a month ago from prostate cancer, to which black men seem especially prone:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_E._Wright

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anon

    In the cartoon version, aren’t the other colorful sea creatures tropical fish such as you would not find swimming around the Danish coastline? The cartoon would have been boring if it was just Ariel and a bunch of herrings. Also, IIRC, some of the characters had West Indian accents and sang Calypso type songs with steel drums, etc.:

    Flip it. Say it had originally been a story by a black resident of the Caribbean. First of all, the original movie would have caused worldwide race riots. “Oh, we changed it so that the crab has a Cockney accent, so it’s fine.” Yeah. That would make everything O.K.

    And if Disney could make each dwarf a different look and personality, I’m sure they could have handled herrings. But the Baltic Sea has no shortage of fishes, cetaceans, seals, sharks, etc.

    It’s basically a double standard, an “only whites can be racist” thing.

  104. @Desiderius
    @Jim Christian

    This is why you're losing. Want to keep losing keep your head buried in the sand. You're getting the government you deserve but unfortunately I'm getting the government you deserve too and I'm tired of it.

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff. Their entire identity is built around preserving the sacred institutions they have been so honored to serve, or at least the imaginary ones in their minds turned to mush by too much abstraction. They've had their run of the place due to the incompetence and corruption of their R counterparts in the Senate who if anything have their heads even more lost in the clouds.

    "Congressman Rosendale on why he voted against Juneteenth: "In theory, there is nothing wrong with a celebration of emancipation... But we don’t live in theory." Something conservatives used to understand! Very good op-ed."

    There are three factions in play not two.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1407916075090550786?s=20

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Nonsense. Comey laid off Hillary and her criminal minions and assassination gang and prosecuted the ham sandwich name of Trump. Losing? I no longer give a shit. I’m White, a veteran, male, bang women not men and these blue states daily demonstrate their hatred for me. I’m out of it, took my marbles and left perverted Washington DC. Losing? I win, I get to enjoy their self-immolation. From way afar.

    I celebrate the blacks and their self-immolation and the Alphabet Soup Of Sexual Depravity and their maniacal, sick fucking proclamations. Feminists? Blacks notice how privileged these white liberal feminist women who hate me are and the entire enterprise is so sick, men pretending to be get to go into locker rooms with the actual female children of liberal feminists and the feminists themselves and swing their dicks around and if the women complain, they can go to jail and be ruined. Losing? You’re full of shit. I’m winning with every passing perversion that is normalized.

    Too quote Charlie Sheen, “WINNING!”.

    Did I mention you’re full of shit? Tell me how I lose? Show me the loss? I’m winning watching all those who hate me murder and rape each other. Checkmate, Nigger.

    Why do I talk to you like a child? Because when I talk to you like an adult, you don’t listen. You’re smarter than that Dissy. Grow up and smell the humus.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jim Christian

    Correction: already lost. Good riddance.

  105. @Altai
    @Wilkey

    I do like how the girl on the plane decided where the cartoon was supposed to be set based on the exaggerated Barbadian accent of a talking crab though while ignoring practically every other aspect of it. Though the cartoon isn't really set anywhere except fantasy Europe.

    Replies: @Thea

    It’s hard to get upset about modern updates to Disney films. . The animated Disney version is a sham to begin with. The original, far more interesting , story had no happily ever after for the former mermaid. He always watered down classic fairy tales into silly dreck with the difficult morals removed.

    What McDonalds is to healthy food Disney was to classic stories.

    • Thanks: Polemos
  106. @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of Canada.

    It seems that Canadians currently stumble upon "unmarked mass graves from Catholic School leftovers" as if it were really Argentina.

    I have no idea what's going on but people are told to "stand with"

    https://twitter.com/perrybellegarde/status/1407842334050557958

    I reckon that if they are finding them in Canada but not in Tulsa, there ain't none in Tulsa.

    Replies: @Altai, @Faraday's Bobcat

    I honestly don’t get this. Do people not realize there are literally millions of unmarked graves all over the place? Sometimes in big groups? They need to watch a couple of episodes of Time Team.

  107. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @guest007

    "Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day."

    A local park - where he also won't be forced to suffocate himself all day under a Facediaper.

    Imagine the stupidity of someone paying $200 a person to suffocate and dehumanize themselves and family all day..... for a hoax.

    Btw, Sailer, I noticed on your last CoronaHoax post that That Would Be Shilling was nowhere to be found - and your tone was very bitchy. Did Pfizer meet its profit targets and cut off the money to you and TWB Shilling?

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @guest007

    I know where you do your laundry, and I dumped a big box of used masks in the dryer with a load of your shirts. Some of the masks had boogers and one had a little puke on it.

  108. @anonymous
    @Desiderius

    There are no shortage of true believers for Trump's vision. The problem is that they are under 50, and Trump, being a Boomer, mostly hired other Boomers or his ne'er-do-well kids. At any point, he could have restricted hires to conservative men, under the age of 50. But he didn't, so he will have no meaningful presidential legacy.

    It's worth noting the most proactive conservative governor in America, Ron DeSantis, is also the nation's youngest sitting governor at 42.

    The sad reality is that Nick Fuentes, out of his basement, will build a more lasting movement than Trump.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    What’s sad about it? Trump was always jumping in front of the parade anyway. He’s no profound thinker. Yeah Trump beat Pete Rozelle (no easy task) but what did those who followed him into the lawsuit get out of the deal? Ruin. That was always the most likely outcome here as well. We’re lucky we’ve done as well as we have.

    Fuentes is a young guy and a basement is as good a place as any with this technology. If Never Again means anything it means welcoming questions to stay sharp not trying to shut down anyone interested in historical accuracy or getting elections right.

  109. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Wilkey

    Latina Power doesn't translate into mental power:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_0SvvQgNRc

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    To be fair, Mr. Kaldian, those 2 idiot snowflake students look as White as the day is long, especially the blonde on the right. Supporting that Latina cause is just part of what their brainwashed heads are telling them to do. (Yeah, and thanks for making me see that stupid old man in the beginning, dude.*) These young people are completely deluded, and that’s the student snowflakes of all colors, shapes, and sizes. They really think the media world is THE world. Holy moley, that was hard to get through.

    Did you notice that smile of hatred and disgust out of the one talking. I’ve seen that before. It means “I don’t want to think anymore than what I said. I’ve been told what to think, and you are telling me so much wrongthink that I don’t think these new thoughts should be anywhere near me!”

    .

    Granted, I’ve tried multiple times to get vids to start and end where I want and not been successful either. (Thanks, commenter Adam Smith for your help, but I’ll have to get back and check that PS thread before I try again.) The readers should start at about a minute in.

  110. Time for Rufo to unblock Greer.

    Join, or die.

    https://www.patriotwood.com/blogs/news/join-or-die-a-symbolic-banner-in-americas-history

  111. Majority doesn’t get absolute rule. Not yet. If we join together not for a long time, nor is their majority a foregone conclusion.

    • LOL: Polistra
  112. The General talks about “white rage” what about “black rage”, after all, they murder people, kill people, doesn’t that mean rage?

    • Replies: @anon
    @rexl

    General Milley is Obama's hand picked boy.

    Any more questions?

    , @guest
    @rexl

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Black people can be killers?

    No wonder my local news is full of black faces over terrible news. I thought something was off about with my tv’s picture.

  113. @rexl
    The General talks about "white rage" what about "black rage", after all, they murder people, kill people, doesn't that mean rage?

    Replies: @anon, @guest

    General Milley is Obama’s hand picked boy.

    Any more questions?

  114. @Torn and Frayed
    Of course can can only have inclusion through exclusion. You can only have indoors by having outdoors. You can only have Jew by having Gentile. Every concrete identity includes is opposite within its definition. Being inclusive to Americans means being exclusive to non-Americans. If you want to promote exclusion among Americans, you push inclusion towards non-Americans. I don't see any problem in this. I want America to be inclusive of Americans by excluding non-Americans.

    Inclusion implies an Us/Them opposition. Inclusion means including "Us" which is only possible by excluding "Them." This is only complicated for people who walk around seeing the world as one big happy "Us". These types of people are the ones John Lennon was singing about in "Imagine"


    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.
     
    Yes, by deporting non-Americans, you are being inclusive of real existing Americans.

    Replies: @res

    Your point helped me understand what Desiderius is saying. Thanks.

    I just don’t think that is how the inclusivity people are selling the idea (inclusive to all!). But thinking about it, as far as reality goes you and Desiderius are right.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @res

    That's not exactly what am saying, though today's churches that sprain their brains trying to be "welcoming to all!" as hard as their little hearts can pump (it's a really a the beatings will continue until morale improves/looking for car keys under the street lamp situation and has been most of my life) could use a little more of what he's talking about.

    The inclusivity people see no contradiction because they cleverly de-humanize those they wish to ostracize so in their minds they are inclusive to all unlike those yucky nahtzees. This corresponds to both ostracism and othering. They're obviously related.

    , @Torn and Frayed
    @res

    "Inclusive to all (of "Us!")" is what they are saying. Death is inclusive to all but beyond that universals don't exist in human social affairs. Unfortunately the universal exists in Ideology, and it is a powerful drug to be avoided. The powerful reach for infinity by universalizing themselves and expect all "others" to compete to be worthy of being part of this imagined universality.

    Today's negative white male reaction to "inclusion is exclusion" is based on the fact that the act of being excluded is a tell-tale sign of losing power. The former "Us" is now "Them" and it feels bad man. There are three approaches to power. One approach for those who hold power and want to continue holding it follow the Melian Dialogue, the powerful do what they will while the weak suffer what they must. This used to be the white male attitude, but pale male narcissistically universalized himself and started adopting the Biblical universal morals of "do onto other", or the Kantian categorical imperative of acting universally. Perhaps pale male was tempted by the idea of universal empire? It takes the greatest hubris to declare yourself universal, and that's what the US, in the form of the Redeemer Nation, and wealth-obedient pale male have done. In doing so they have destroyed themselves and the society they created. Wealth-obedient pale males have literally shipped global capitalist hegemony to China with every factory they offshored.

    The Melian approach breeds resistance so a more sublime application of power is a tit-for-tat approach. Power's opening move is of cooperation but when the "Them" refuses its invitation to "Us" then they are immediately repulsed. , The danger occurs when the second move never happens.

    So recognizing our "Them" status is an important change of consciousness for vital white men. The first step is a rejection of wealth-obedience, for it is they who have branded us "Them." The second is the creation an antisystemic Ideology, and in this we should encourage the dusky ones to burn the mother down. But dusk is bought and paid for by the rich pale male and so our third and most important goal is to both channel dusky anger towards the rich and to channel our own rebellion in that direction as well. Under no circumstances should vital white men be defending the system or repelling the dusky ones unless directly attacked. Instead our energy is to consign to the dustbin of "Them" wealthy pale males, who have consciously made their decision for diversity and celebrate it each and every day. Afterwards it will be a cakewalk to separate from the dusky remnants.

  115. @Hi There
    Bryan Caplan, mocks "The Diversity and Inclusion Movement" as the "The Uniformity and Exclusion Movement".

    He says

    While every ideology is prone to a little doublethink, “social justice” is doublethink at its core.
    ...
    North Korean and Chinese communism, Islamic fundamentalism, and Russian nationalism all have far worse intentions and have done far more harm than wokeness ever will.
    ...
    The recent University of California scandal is an elegant example. In affected departments, job candidates had to write a “diversity and inclusion statement.” Unless candidates vigorously supported the social justice movement through word and action, the faculty never even got to see their applications.

     

    Another good thread of his:

    https://www.econlib.org/backlash-vs-resistance-the-case-of-wokism/

    My summary: Most of us who complain about wokism, would find something else to complain about if it didn't exist. Moral of the story: Wokism is bad, but they aren't killing us. Most of this crowd can still have a happy personal life. Put your own life first, work on enjoying what you have, don't let horrible politics ruin you happiness. Focus on building what you love. Wokism does generate lots of resistance. Every major movement does. Wokism is good at bulldozing over resistance. If you care, make sure your efforts have impact. Otherwise, what's the point?

    The wise route, however, is to decide how bad the woke movement really is. And if you think it’s bad enough, strive to transform mere resistance into full-blown backlash.

     

    Replies: @res

    Bryan Caplan, mocks “The Diversity and Inclusion Movement” as the “The Uniformity and Exclusion Movement”.

    Thanks.

  116. @Jim Christian
    @Desiderius

    Nonsense. Comey laid off Hillary and her criminal minions and assassination gang and prosecuted the ham sandwich name of Trump. Losing? I no longer give a shit. I'm White, a veteran, male, bang women not men and these blue states daily demonstrate their hatred for me. I'm out of it, took my marbles and left perverted Washington DC. Losing? I win, I get to enjoy their self-immolation. From way afar.

    I celebrate the blacks and their self-immolation and the Alphabet Soup Of Sexual Depravity and their maniacal, sick fucking proclamations. Feminists? Blacks notice how privileged these white liberal feminist women who hate me are and the entire enterprise is so sick, men pretending to be get to go into locker rooms with the actual female children of liberal feminists and the feminists themselves and swing their dicks around and if the women complain, they can go to jail and be ruined. Losing? You're full of shit. I'm winning with every passing perversion that is normalized.

    Too quote Charlie Sheen, "WINNING!".

    Did I mention you're full of shit? Tell me how I lose? Show me the loss? I'm winning watching all those who hate me murder and rape each other. Checkmate, Nigger.

    Why do I talk to you like a child? Because when I talk to you like an adult, you don't listen. You're smarter than that Dissy. Grow up and smell the humus.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Correction: already lost. Good riddance.

  117. @res
    @Torn and Frayed

    Your point helped me understand what Desiderius is saying. Thanks.

    I just don't think that is how the inclusivity people are selling the idea (inclusive to all!). But thinking about it, as far as reality goes you and Desiderius are right.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Torn and Frayed

    That’s not exactly what am saying, though today’s churches that sprain their brains trying to be “welcoming to all!” as hard as their little hearts can pump (it’s a really a the beatings will continue until morale improves/looking for car keys under the street lamp situation and has been most of my life) could use a little more of what he’s talking about.

    The inclusivity people see no contradiction because they cleverly de-humanize those they wish to ostracize so in their minds they are inclusive to all unlike those yucky nahtzees. This corresponds to both ostracism and othering. They’re obviously related.

  118. @3g4me
    @Wilkey

    @35 Wilkey: But Jack D, as the eternal outsider and resident expert on everything, is so terribly comfortable with Juice Disney moving around stories and cultural settings. He likes the cartoon version so, really, he finds your insistence that the tale originated in the mind and culture of a White, Christian European to be dreadfully provincial. Why can't you be more open-minded and cosmopolitan, like Jack? For example the Torah ought to be updated in pidgin or ebonics, for all those multiracial Jews we're told live in Israel.

    Why people at Sailer act as though everyone else comments in good faith, after repeated examples that they don't, never ceases to amaze me.

    Replies: @Charon, @Jack D

    Well some of us are woke to that particular phenomenon, and some are not. Reasons vary.

  119. @Alden
    Off topic

    Brandeis university has banned more words so as not to upset the ultra ultra sensitive. Two words are trigger warning. Because guns have triggers. Another word is picnic. Because in the USA no one ever used the word until after the civil war when lynching innocent blacks became a major social occasion for the evil southerners.

    According to the idiot intellectuals of Brandeis, lynching innocent blacks became the main focus of social gatherings in the south. Something like the summer bloc parties or church, chamber of commerce Elks Moose Masons Hibernian Hall Knights of Columbus, company, factory other organizations summer parties.

    So the southern word for lynching of innocent blacks for fun and having a party was; still is picnic.

    Actually it’s a French word means potluck or bring a little something to a party or gathering . Connotes finger food too.

    Replies: @black sea, @res

    You could get into a lot of trouble using a word like “picnicker,” i. e. one who picnics.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  120. @res
    @Torn and Frayed

    Your point helped me understand what Desiderius is saying. Thanks.

    I just don't think that is how the inclusivity people are selling the idea (inclusive to all!). But thinking about it, as far as reality goes you and Desiderius are right.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Torn and Frayed

    “Inclusive to all (of “Us!”)” is what they are saying. Death is inclusive to all but beyond that universals don’t exist in human social affairs. Unfortunately the universal exists in Ideology, and it is a powerful drug to be avoided. The powerful reach for infinity by universalizing themselves and expect all “others” to compete to be worthy of being part of this imagined universality.

    Today’s negative white male reaction to “inclusion is exclusion” is based on the fact that the act of being excluded is a tell-tale sign of losing power. The former “Us” is now “Them” and it feels bad man. There are three approaches to power. One approach for those who hold power and want to continue holding it follow the Melian Dialogue, the powerful do what they will while the weak suffer what they must. This used to be the white male attitude, but pale male narcissistically universalized himself and started adopting the Biblical universal morals of “do onto other”, or the Kantian categorical imperative of acting universally. Perhaps pale male was tempted by the idea of universal empire? It takes the greatest hubris to declare yourself universal, and that’s what the US, in the form of the Redeemer Nation, and wealth-obedient pale male have done. In doing so they have destroyed themselves and the society they created. Wealth-obedient pale males have literally shipped global capitalist hegemony to China with every factory they offshored.

    The Melian approach breeds resistance so a more sublime application of power is a tit-for-tat approach. Power’s opening move is of cooperation but when the “Them” refuses its invitation to “Us” then they are immediately repulsed. , The danger occurs when the second move never happens.

    So recognizing our “Them” status is an important change of consciousness for vital white men. The first step is a rejection of wealth-obedience, for it is they who have branded us “Them.” The second is the creation an antisystemic Ideology, and in this we should encourage the dusky ones to burn the mother down. But dusk is bought and paid for by the rich pale male and so our third and most important goal is to both channel dusky anger towards the rich and to channel our own rebellion in that direction as well. Under no circumstances should vital white men be defending the system or repelling the dusky ones unless directly attacked. Instead our energy is to consign to the dustbin of “Them” wealthy pale males, who have consciously made their decision for diversity and celebrate it each and every day. Afterwards it will be a cakewalk to separate from the dusky remnants.

  121. @Jim Christian
    @J.Ross

    JRoss! You're a smart guy, engineer of some discipline or other, right? The apartment building in Florida that collapsed last night? The part of the building that stands looks like a collapse threat all its own to my layman's eye. Achmed knows some of this, Steve should give us a blog on that. Hideous!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    What is it with Florida and collapses?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @J.Ross

    That all ya got?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  122. Red States should tell blue states to go include themselves. Secession now to save the Free United States!

  123. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Altai

    Isn't that just as good evidence that they really like redheads?

    I admit this is weird casting for a Danish fairytale, but the cartoon did have a Carribean theme. I suppose they needed a place with clear, warm waters and tropical fish for it to not be too scary. The North Sea would make a very different setting for the underwater bits.

    The outrage, the other way, when someone white plays someone something else, is what I find ludicrous.

    The original story is very interesting and worth a read. *Spoiler* the Little Mermaid wishes happiness for the man who, in some respects, wronged her and ascends to become a semi-angelic being. They could retell it in accordance with modern values and have the little Mermaid #MeToo him, and live on as an obnoxious Twitter personality...

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The outrage, the other way, when someone white plays someone something else, is what I find ludicrous.

    Well, yeah, the whole point of acting is that the actor is pretending to be somebody else who they are not. You have little children pretending to be a mother and father in Nativity plays.

    I think a lot of the supposed outrage is related to economic opportunities. If playing a lead role in a Hollywood movie is so vastly overpaid that it earns the person who gets the role life-changing money, then jealousies will abound.

    I remember years ago there was some controversy when Jonathan Pryce starred in Miss Saigon playing the part of the Eurasian character The Engineer. He was eventually allowed to play the role on Broadway because he was the star of the show, and it was also pointed out that the character was half European, but not before there were threats by the producer Cameron Mackintosh to yank the show altogether thus denying lucrative employment to the whole cast.

    The female lead was played by a Filipina impersonating a Vietnamese woman.

  124. @guest
    @guest007

    What are you talking about? I could make a 5 year-old happy by giving him a frickin' rock to play with.

    Replies: @guest007

    But playing with the rock does not make good selfies. Once again, some people are snobs. It is amazing the number of families who go to Disneyworld more than once. If it was too expensive and a bad experience, Disney would not keep expanding.

  125. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @guest007

    "Where else is someone going to take a five year old where the five year old is going to be happy all day."

    A local park - where he also won't be forced to suffocate himself all day under a Facediaper.

    Imagine the stupidity of someone paying $200 a person to suffocate and dehumanize themselves and family all day..... for a hoax.

    Btw, Sailer, I noticed on your last CoronaHoax post that That Would Be Shilling was nowhere to be found - and your tone was very bitchy. Did Pfizer meet its profit targets and cut off the money to you and TWB Shilling?

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @guest007

    Once again a Covid-19 truther who denies that the the number of deaths in the U.S. increased by 15%, that every public health official in the U.S. and the rest of the world is lying, and the Bolsonaro and Orban are great leaders.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  126. The female lead was played by a Filipina impersonating a Vietnamese woman

    Bands from the Phillipines predominate in Vietnamese hotels. Weirdly, they seem to have cornered the market in South-East Asian singing.

    I think a lot of the supposed outrage is related to economic opportunities. If playing a lead role in a Hollywood movie is so vastly overpaid that it earns the person who gets the role life-changing money, then jealousies will abound.

    Absolutely. I’m jealous too! I just wish they’d be honest about their reasons, rather than deluding themselves that their arguments are hard analysis based on morality, facts or fairness. I guess they have no insight into themselves, but maybe we could all just stop enabling their delusion.

  127. res says:
    @Alden
    Off topic

    Brandeis university has banned more words so as not to upset the ultra ultra sensitive. Two words are trigger warning. Because guns have triggers. Another word is picnic. Because in the USA no one ever used the word until after the civil war when lynching innocent blacks became a major social occasion for the evil southerners.

    According to the idiot intellectuals of Brandeis, lynching innocent blacks became the main focus of social gatherings in the south. Something like the summer bloc parties or church, chamber of commerce Elks Moose Masons Hibernian Hall Knights of Columbus, company, factory other organizations summer parties.

    So the southern word for lynching of innocent blacks for fun and having a party was; still is picnic.

    Actually it’s a French word means potluck or bring a little something to a party or gathering . Connotes finger food too.

    Replies: @black sea, @res

    Banning “picnic” is crazy (also banned ; ). They banned “rule of thumb” as well.
    https://nypost.com/2021/06/24/brandeis-warns-students-not-to-say-picnic-rule-of-thumb/

    “Rule of thumb” can be replaced with “general rule” because the former “allegedly comes from an old British law allowing men to beat their wives with sticks no wider than their thumb.”

    Wikipedia actually has a decent page on that. The inch explanation sounds much more likely to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumb

    A partial list.

  128. @Desiderius

    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.
     
    That idea long predates Orwell. There's even a Holy Bible about it.

    https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-4625

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @res, @AnotherDad

    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.

    That idea long predates Orwell. There’s even a Holy Bible about it.

    Agree. There is nothing odd about it. Having any sort of social “group” requires some sort of specific group membership criteria/norms–inc. behavior, beliefs, dress, etc. etc. Basically being in a group requires some other people being out of the group.

    The problem isn’t this idea. The problem is minoritarianism. The idea that the majority–normies–is uniquely not allowed to do the same–to have their norms, culture and do their exclusion. This is the hideous, totalitarian ideology that is destroying the West.

    As i’ve said before–separate nations.

    I’m absolutely 100% fine with these loons having their rainbow hued utopia. I just want the right to live in the nation my ancestors built–America–with our traditional white American norms … with a border (i.e. excluding non-Americans).

    What we have now is the minoritarian demand that white people accept their beating and agree to live and work to support the minoritarian project. There’s a name for that–slavery.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @AnotherDad

    https://theamericansun.com/2020/01/01/the-feasts-of-shame


    As liberalism denies the existence of out-groups, it is forced to turn inward and to seek the enemy within, to find and root out those that it perceives as a threat to the expansive franchise: the Paradox of Tolerance. And to find these enemies, one must always be watching and waiting. When liberalism doesn’t lead to the peace and prosperity it promises then the enemy must exist within and must be observed. What Vaclav Havel called the post-totalitarian ideology–the way the ideology of Soviet bureaucracy becomes reified by individuals who help perpetuate the system–becomes the cultural norm under liberalism. This kind of surveillance is bad enough in any kind of complex society, but when it becomes a technological system it leads to extreme levels of what Kaczynski called “oversocialization“–an intense sensitivity to society’s liberal morality that every person is conditioned with and a desire to inflict severe penalties on anyone who violates those rules.
     
  129. @Desiderius
    @Jim Christian

    This is why you're losing. Want to keep losing keep your head buried in the sand. You're getting the government you deserve but unfortunately I'm getting the government you deserve too and I'm tired of it.

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff. Their entire identity is built around preserving the sacred institutions they have been so honored to serve, or at least the imaginary ones in their minds turned to mush by too much abstraction. They've had their run of the place due to the incompetence and corruption of their R counterparts in the Senate who if anything have their heads even more lost in the clouds.

    "Congressman Rosendale on why he voted against Juneteenth: "In theory, there is nothing wrong with a celebration of emancipation... But we don’t live in theory." Something conservatives used to understand! Very good op-ed."

    There are three factions in play not two.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1407916075090550786?s=20

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff.

    They aren’t. Comey was registered to vote in Virginia, which doesn’t have party registration. He then moved to DC and registered blank. I’ve been asking people who tell me Mueller is a Republican to identify where he was registered to vote. I’ve checked several state databases and find nothing. The one person in this nexus who was an identifiable Republican was Rod Rosenstein, who was awarded a US Attorney’s slot during the regime of BO’s wingman.

    In truth, Mueller, Comey, and Rosenstein are government lifers who’ve spent north of 2/3 of their adult worklife on the payroll of the Department of Justice.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    These are the people hired by the representatives Republicans elect. If they’re not Republicans blame those representatives.

  130. @Desiderius
    @Jim Christian

    This is why you're losing. Want to keep losing keep your head buried in the sand. You're getting the government you deserve but unfortunately I'm getting the government you deserve too and I'm tired of it.

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff. Their entire identity is built around preserving the sacred institutions they have been so honored to serve, or at least the imaginary ones in their minds turned to mush by too much abstraction. They've had their run of the place due to the incompetence and corruption of their R counterparts in the Senate who if anything have their heads even more lost in the clouds.

    "Congressman Rosendale on why he voted against Juneteenth: "In theory, there is nothing wrong with a celebration of emancipation... But we don’t live in theory." Something conservatives used to understand! Very good op-ed."

    There are three factions in play not two.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1407916075090550786?s=20

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    There is no such thing as a ‘forever war’ crowd. Mr. Hanania needs to learn the difference between his rhetorical flourishes and actual social reality.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    For $800B for there not to be several strains credulity. We saw the performance of Liz Cheney and nearly the entire R caucus as Trump tried to fulfill his campaign promises in the waning months of his term. Tell your insider friends they’ve got their work cut out for themselves.

    https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1408411559643209744?s=20

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    , @Hibernian
    @Art Deco

    How about a 19 year war crowd? That's the length of our adventure in Afghanistan, Fall 2001 - Summer 2020 (almost 20.)

  131. @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    Comey is a lifelong Bush Republican, as are Mueller, Wray, and most of the people behind this stuff.

    They aren't. Comey was registered to vote in Virginia, which doesn't have party registration. He then moved to DC and registered blank. I've been asking people who tell me Mueller is a Republican to identify where he was registered to vote. I've checked several state databases and find nothing. The one person in this nexus who was an identifiable Republican was Rod Rosenstein, who was awarded a US Attorney's slot during the regime of BO's wingman.

    In truth, Mueller, Comey, and Rosenstein are government lifers who've spent north of 2/3 of their adult worklife on the payroll of the Department of Justice.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    These are the people hired by the representatives Republicans elect. If they’re not Republicans blame those representatives.

  132. @AnotherDad
    @Desiderius



    The Orwellian idea of banishing or removing someone from a group, company, etc. in the name of inclusion.
     
    That idea long predates Orwell. There’s even a Holy Bible about it.

     

    Agree. There is nothing odd about it. Having any sort of social "group" requires some sort of specific group membership criteria/norms--inc. behavior, beliefs, dress, etc. etc. Basically being in a group requires some other people being out of the group.

    The problem isn't this idea. The problem is minoritarianism. The idea that the majority--normies--is uniquely not allowed to do the same--to have their norms, culture and do their exclusion. This is the hideous, totalitarian ideology that is destroying the West.


    As i've said before--separate nations.

    I'm absolutely 100% fine with these loons having their rainbow hued utopia. I just want the right to live in the nation my ancestors built--America--with our traditional white American norms ... with a border (i.e. excluding non-Americans).

    What we have now is the minoritarian demand that white people accept their beating and agree to live and work to support the minoritarian project. There's a name for that--slavery.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    https://theamericansun.com/2020/01/01/the-feasts-of-shame

    As liberalism denies the existence of out-groups, it is forced to turn inward and to seek the enemy within, to find and root out those that it perceives as a threat to the expansive franchise: the Paradox of Tolerance. And to find these enemies, one must always be watching and waiting. When liberalism doesn’t lead to the peace and prosperity it promises then the enemy must exist within and must be observed. What Vaclav Havel called the post-totalitarian ideology–the way the ideology of Soviet bureaucracy becomes reified by individuals who help perpetuate the system–becomes the cultural norm under liberalism. This kind of surveillance is bad enough in any kind of complex society, but when it becomes a technological system it leads to extreme levels of what Kaczynski called “oversocialization“–an intense sensitivity to society’s liberal morality that every person is conditioned with and a desire to inflict severe penalties on anyone who violates those rules.

  133. @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    There is no such thing as a 'forever war' crowd. Mr. Hanania needs to learn the difference between his rhetorical flourishes and actual social reality.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian

    For $800B for there not to be several strains credulity. We saw the performance of Liz Cheney and nearly the entire R caucus as Trump tried to fulfill his campaign promises in the waning months of his term. Tell your insider friends they’ve got their work cut out for themselves.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Desiderius

    JD Vance says:

    What I find so enraging about the Joint Chiefs’s pandering on progressive wokeness is that they know damn well the geography and politics of who dies in American wars. The conservative Americans you trash are disproportionately bleeding for this country.

    I say:

    I respectfully decline to agree that US soldiers are bleeding for this country in the unnecessary and endless overseas wars because I think they are bleeding or dying or being butchered or maimed or horribly wounded for the Ruling Class of the American Empire. The country and the US government or ruling class are not the same.

    I fully understand that if I went into an American Legion VFW bar and grill and stated my opinion on the US soldiers fighting for the ruling class instead of the country I might be attacked by a veteran sipping a beer. So be it.

    Sam Huntington Questions That JD Vance Might Want To Contemplate:

    Who Are We As A Nation?

    What Are We Fighting For As A Nation?

  134. @Matttt
    @Altai

    A black mermaid is obviously a fantasy. Black women hate to get their hair wet - it's expensive and time-consuming to go back to the salon to get it fixed.

    Replies: @aldasfail770


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  136. @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    For $800B for there not to be several strains credulity. We saw the performance of Liz Cheney and nearly the entire R caucus as Trump tried to fulfill his campaign promises in the waning months of his term. Tell your insider friends they’ve got their work cut out for themselves.

    https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1408411559643209744?s=20

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    JD Vance says:

    What I find so enraging about the Joint Chiefs’s pandering on progressive wokeness is that they know damn well the geography and politics of who dies in American wars. The conservative Americans you trash are disproportionately bleeding for this country.

    I say:

    I respectfully decline to agree that US soldiers are bleeding for this country in the unnecessary and endless overseas wars because I think they are bleeding or dying or being butchered or maimed or horribly wounded for the Ruling Class of the American Empire. The country and the US government or ruling class are not the same.

    I fully understand that if I went into an American Legion VFW bar and grill and stated my opinion on the US soldiers fighting for the ruling class instead of the country I might be attacked by a veteran sipping a beer. So be it.

    Sam Huntington Questions That JD Vance Might Want To Contemplate:

    Who Are We As A Nation?

    What Are We Fighting For As A Nation?

  137. @rexl
    The General talks about "white rage" what about "black rage", after all, they murder people, kill people, doesn't that mean rage?

    Replies: @anon, @guest

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Black people can be killers?

    No wonder my local news is full of black faces over terrible news. I thought something was off about with my tv’s picture.

  138. @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    There is no such thing as a 'forever war' crowd. Mr. Hanania needs to learn the difference between his rhetorical flourishes and actual social reality.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian

    How about a 19 year war crowd? That’s the length of our adventure in Afghanistan, Fall 2001 – Summer 2020 (almost 20.)

  139. @3g4me
    @Wilkey

    @35 Wilkey: But Jack D, as the eternal outsider and resident expert on everything, is so terribly comfortable with Juice Disney moving around stories and cultural settings. He likes the cartoon version so, really, he finds your insistence that the tale originated in the mind and culture of a White, Christian European to be dreadfully provincial. Why can't you be more open-minded and cosmopolitan, like Jack? For example the Torah ought to be updated in pidgin or ebonics, for all those multiracial Jews we're told live in Israel.

    Why people at Sailer act as though everyone else comments in good faith, after repeated examples that they don't, never ceases to amaze me.

    Replies: @Charon, @Jack D

    The original story is in the public domain. If you want to make an all white version then go for it. But I think that Disney has a pretty good idea of how to make cartoons.

    Your analogy is stupid. The Little Mermaid is not the Holy Scriptures. But Mideval Europeans had no problem making Jesus a blond haired Aryan type guy in their paintings.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    But I think that Disney has a pretty good idea of how to make cartoons.

    Jack you're a smart guy but it's 2021 and not 1963.

  140. @J.Ross
    @Jim Christian

    What is it with Florida and collapses?

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    That all ya got?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jim Christian

    Fair point. Right now Wayne County, Michigan, a state defined by the Great Lakes, has had a bit of a sprinkle (something which wouldn't even be reported on Okinawa) and lights are out and huge puddles are still puddling. Every year we have flooding and power outages. How can weather be overwhelming to people who walked on the moon? Our weather is not as bad as Florida's or Oklahoma's but it's still a reliable surprise to our elected officials.

  141. @Jim Christian
    @J.Ross

    That all ya got?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Fair point. Right now Wayne County, Michigan, a state defined by the Great Lakes, has had a bit of a sprinkle (something which wouldn’t even be reported on Okinawa) and lights are out and huge puddles are still puddling. Every year we have flooding and power outages. How can weather be overwhelming to people who walked on the moon? Our weather is not as bad as Florida’s or Oklahoma’s but it’s still a reliable surprise to our elected officials.

  142. @Jack D
    @3g4me

    The original story is in the public domain. If you want to make an all white version then go for it. But I think that Disney has a pretty good idea of how to make cartoons.

    Your analogy is stupid. The Little Mermaid is not the Holy Scriptures. But Mideval Europeans had no problem making Jesus a blond haired Aryan type guy in their paintings.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    But I think that Disney has a pretty good idea of how to make cartoons.

    Jack you’re a smart guy but it’s 2021 and not 1963.

  143. @Pericles
    @Wilkey

    https://www.thelocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/a4bd816834473a0a1dd213e9989e18dab76e0de902825296b1e67b3acc423ab7.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Put her where she belongs:

  144. @RichardTaylor
    Why not exclude Whites who are anti-White?

    Stop protecting them. As a related example, large parts of New England (the old stock) couldn't figure out if America or the USSR was the bad guy during the Cold War. The Ivy League was full of pro-Soviet activity.

    They found it gauche to be too American. But the rest of the country was forced to save them. We don't have that luxury of supporting people who are lukewarm about our existence anymore.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    As a related example, large parts of New England (the old stock) couldn’t figure out if America or the USSR was the bad guy during the Cold War. The Ivy League was full of pro-Soviet activity.

    The Ivy League, four colleges, are not a “large part of New England”. Half of New England is Maine, which has none.

    For “pro-Soviet activity”, look to Dixie in 1940. This is from a project called “Lost Cause”:

    https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lost-cause


    In 1936, New England (with New York) was the only place with anti-Soviet activity:

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