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It’s an interesting question: which state is worst for each race? Off the top of my head, I’d say:
Whites: West Virginia
Asians: Hawaii
Blacks: Wisconsin
Hispanics: Connecticut
American Indians: South Dakota
I’m basing this on my impressions after years of looking at various statistics by state, but I’m not looking at spreadsheets while jotting these names down.
West Virginia whites are pretty clearly at the bottom of the totem pole of whites by state. It’s even possible to identify the county at the bottom: McDowell County, WV, whose Walmart closed earlier this year. Here’s the old Walmart’s sign that has been painted black.
Hawaii has racial demographics that on the surface appear similar to Silicon Valley’s. I’ve written about Wisconsin a lot. Connecticut has troublesome Puerto Ricans. South Dakota has the Pine Ridge Sioux reservation, which is tragic.
Best for each state:
Whites: Minnesota
Asians: Texas
Blacks: Hawaii
Hispanics: Florida
American Indians: California
Note: the best states by race are even more off the top of my head than the worst states.
Minnesota as #1 for whites depends on how you value the distribution. Minnesota has fewer elite whites than some other states but does well by the middle and lower half. Other contenders might be New Jersey, New Hampshire, Illinois, and the like.
I’m picking Texas because there are a lot of Asians in Texas and most seem to do pretty well.
Obviously, there aren’t many blacks in Hawaii, and most of them there have some connection with the military or are exotics like the President. Among states with a lot of blacks, probably Georgia?
Another choice for Hispanics would be Missouri, which has traditionally had a small but unusually elite Hispanic population due to St. Louis being connected by the Mississippi to ships from Latin America. A.J. Liebling famously said of New Orleans:
New Orleans resembles Genoa or Marseilles or Beirut or the Egyptian Alexandria more than it does New York, although all seaports resemble one another more than they can any place in the interior. Like Havana and Port-au-Prince, New Orleans is within the orbit of a Hellenistic world that never touched the North Atlantic.
But St. Louis is a little bit like a further New Orleans. The effect is barely noticeable, but if you look for it you can notice that St. Louis traditionally had more rich people with Spanish surnames than other Midwestern cities.
What are your nominations?
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Vietnamese
I looked at the numbers years ago so this is cheating, but for whites best was Massachusetts by a lot. Not sure if the offspring of Harvard and MIT are large enough group to explain why.
I have no idea what Liebling was babbling about. He has been dead for 50+ years so maybe the past is a different country, but there were always a LOT of blacks in NO and SL. The Hellenistic world did not feature so many sub-Saharan Africans. Maybe in the past they were better controlled. Both New Orleans and St. Louis reminded me of any other black dominated city (Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, etc.). That same undertone of menace that you don't want to make a wrong turn and end up in the wrong neighborhood after dark. That looting and rioting is only one power blackout or arrest gone wrong away. Even when I stayed in the downtown area, after dark there were folks fist fighting in front of the liquor store that was doing a brisk business in pints of cheap booze. The brochure may show the historic cemetery but not the housing project that is right next to it. Tourist brochure NO is nothing like actual NO - they leave the hordes of vibrant people out of the photos. Whatever the history of the place is or was, an overwhelming # of blacks in the present make the place unsafe and unpleasant. Guide books in the PC era completely ignore this so when you get there the reality is nothing like what you have been lead to believe.Replies: @anonymous, @Federalist, @yaqub the mad scientist
The average cost of a home (per Google) in Massachusetts is $358K
In Minnesota, it is $198K
And I am guessing the homes in Massachusetts are smaller.Replies: @AP
I nominate Iowa as best state for whites. At the moment, at least the Des Moines area is booming and they’re opening new high schools in the suburbs. Relatively diversified economy, good public schools. If I were considering moving into the state I’d look at Pella.
But my impression is Iowa's white's are declining in quality. The problem is brain drain.
Family example: Of my mom's cohort, probably the two sharpest--my mom and one of her brothers--moved away. Of my born-in-Iowa cousins (boomer\gen-X, certainly the smartest--a lawyer, now in DC--and all the college educated but one, moved away. (Though one cycled back to build the nicest house in her\hubby's home town, so they can be near family in retirement, her three college educated daughters are away--NYC and Milwaukee.) And yes, there's drain among the few non-college cousins too, but it's less severe. If you look at my highest IQ cousins and their children they have preferentially moved out toward the coasts.
If you look at what's happened to the other early 20th century Iowa farm families i think you'd see the same general pattern: Best and brightest tended to leave for post-war opportunities outside Iowa.
And while Iowa farm labor is highly mechanized, and it's well behind other areas, the Hispanic influx is definitely going on. Iowa is definitely "diversifying" if more slowly than other places. It's white population, while still very high relative to the nation is now a touch < 90%.
Note, i'm not saying Iowa's not a great place for whites--it is. Iowa is clean, comfortably, pretty and distinctly still very "white" in feel and outlook. Great place to raise a family. Perhaps as other places "diversify", and whites look for sanctuary to live as whites there will be a white inflow?
But it's white human capital is definition not what it was in say 1920 or even 1960. It's been subject to pretty severe brain drain out to the coastal IQ-shredders.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Old Palo Altan, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Boomstick
I agree with Hepp on Massachusetts, with Colorado, New Jersey, Connecticut, and New Hampshire all possibly ahead of Minnesota. There is certainly an average v. median issue.
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV? On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.
The PR influx the past decade may have changed this.
I’d say California and Washington. More NE Asian and less Vietnamese than Texas. If you’d consider states with tiny Asian populations, the one Asian-American I know of from Iowa is an impressive guy.
What percentage of Maine blacks are Somalis?
My guess is that your "best Asians" would be some state that:
a) traditionally doesn't have a lot of Asians
b) has only a small number recent Asian arrivals working in tech\professions
c) doesn't have Hmong.
My guess would have been North Carolina, thinking they had just a scattering of Asians around the research triangle area and probably very few other ones. But then i looked in Wikipedia and apparently they've got the largest influx of Montagnards and quite a few Hmong after the war. So my guess there was dead wrong. But those would be the criteria to look for.
Iowa might be a real good guess.Replies: @Jefferson
I would imagine that Las Vegas gets a fair amount of in-migration of people who are at loose ends and looking for a new start.
Yeah, Massachusetts probably should be #1 for whites.
It might be #1 for blacks too.
It might be #1 for blacks too.
There may be selection effect going on - the Commonwealth has a very competitive economy, and housing is expensive. Lower IQ whites tend to leave Massachusetts, more ambitious whites from elsewhere tend to move there.
My impression is that Massachusetts has a pretty poor reputation among black Americans - at least Boston is considered segregated, racist and plain unfriendly.
Seems to me NH is #1 for whites - it is Massachusetts with lower taxes, fewer minorities and no Harvard.Replies: @Triumph104
I think I would have said Oregon, Massachusetts or Minnesota. Maybe California.
But after looking at obesity maps:
http://blogs.plos.org/obesitypanacea/2013/04/10/obesity-and-altitude/
(Obesity probably correlated with general dysfunctionality)
And crime maps:
http://www.movoto.com/blog/opinions/crime-maps-over-time/
I now think Colorado is probably the best.
I think Steve’s picks are bang on, though I have no idea where the best and worst Indians live.
If we look at it regionally, the best whites (not the most elite but the best median) come from the Germanic Lutheran Upper Midwest…
1. Minnesota
2. Wisconsin
3. Iowa
4. North Dakota
5. South Dakota
6. Nebraska
…and the worst whites are from the Scots-Irish Appalachian-Ozarks belt:
46. Oklahoma
47. Arkansas
48. Tennessee
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
It would be interesting to compare whites in other countries as well, for example in Canada Alberta would be #1 and Newfoundland #10.
2. Quebec
3. Maybe Ontario?The worst:
1. Newfoundland
2. PEI
3. New Brunswick/Nova ScotiaI'm not sure how performance varied for minority groups across the Provinces. For US whites, top three:
1. Massachusetts
2. Minnesota
3. New Jersey/Connecticut/Wisconsin Bottom three:
1. West Virginia
2. Nevada
3. South Carolina
Stating the obvious these fields are dominated by whites.Replies: @jeppo, @Hapalong Cassidy
If we go to a slightly smaller scale, eastern Kentucky is even worse off than any part of West Virginia.
If we look at it regionally, the best whites (not the most elite but the best median) come from the Germanic Lutheran Upper Midwest...
1. Minnesota
2. Wisconsin
3. Iowa
4. North Dakota
5. South Dakota
6. Nebraska
...and the worst whites are from the Scots-Irish Appalachian-Ozarks belt:
46. Oklahoma
47. Arkansas
48. Tennessee
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
It would be interesting to compare whites in other countries as well, for example in Canada Alberta would be #1 and Newfoundland #10.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill, @Perspective, @Aquinasfan
I’d like to see a detailed comparison of the Appalachians to the Ozarks.
That would be interesting. They seem to have more similarities than differences. Both were mainly settled by the Scots-Irish, with English, German, Irish Catholic and native Indian admixtures. Both had economies based on hunting, harvesting, ranching, mining and forestry, rather than the farming and plantation agriculture to the east and south. Both only ever had few slaves/blacks, and were mostly unaffected by later waves of immigration and internal migration.
Maybe because the Ozarks were settled about a century later than the Appalachians by, arguably, a slightly better and more ambitious class of the same people. their present-day descendants are doing slightly better for themselves?
Minnesota as #1 for whites depends on how you value the distribution. Minnesota has fewer elite whites than some other states but does well by the middle and lower half.
That's how I took it: how well are the *median* whites doing in any given state. If you asked a different but related question, like what state has the most elite whites (in power, wealth, education, status, fame, etc) per capita, I think the list might look something like this:
1. New York
2. California
3. Massachusetts
4. Connecticut
5. New Jersey
6. Maryland
7. Illinois
8. Colorado
9. Virginia
10. Florida
Most are pretty friendly until you give them a reason not to be. It's best to mind your manners if you find yourself in one of those states.
I will say that there are areas in Oklahoma City and Tulsa where you will find a fair number of yuppies and hipsters. I generally try to avoid those areas.Replies: @Jefferson, @JohnnyWalker123
But after looking at obesity maps:
http://blogs.plos.org/obesitypanacea/2013/04/10/obesity-and-altitude/
(Obesity probably correlated with general dysfunctionality)
And crime maps:
http://www.movoto.com/blog/opinions/crime-maps-over-time/
I now think Colorado is probably the best.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Obesity is a good measure.
Colorado was the best Red state a decade ago, but it now has shifted to the Blue.
What state has the most Republican blacks? (it’d be interesting to compare that with the metric of how well they “perform”)
Because American blacks are taken care of, generously. And the other blacks are immigrants (Haiti, et al.) and have old-world values and work hard and don’t get into trouble. But there’s no rosey future for Massachusetts and the average middle class resident has to be well off to keep afloat. I can’t afford a house here in MA and live in a one-bedroom apartment 10 miles from Boston which costs me close to $3k/month. My #1 goal in the next 5 years is to move to Texas.
In my opinion, the best states for whites will always be the states that have the least amount of minorities. NH, ME, VT for examples.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Massachusetts whites outperform those of West Virginia academically, but is that due to the quality of the schools? Children in MA are more likely to have parents with BA, MA, MD, JD, MBA, and PhD degrees. If you move your children to MA or WV, are they likely to do better or worse?
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV? On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.The PR influx the past decade may have changed this.I'd say California and Washington. More NE Asian and less Vietnamese than Texas. If you'd consider states with tiny Asian populations, the one Asian-American I know of from Iowa is an impressive guy.What percentage of Maine blacks are Somalis?Replies: @psmith, @anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @prosa123, @George
Pretty sure this is at least partly a “White Hispanics” deal. Same as Texas’ Ten Most Wanted.
I grew up in St. Louis amongst the rich folks, and I never knew of any old money Spanish. There are some old French surnamed families but they’re only fractionally French these days.
Blacks:…
The only (acceptable, imo) way to look at how well Blacks do is relatively, ie compared to other races/ethnic groups, especially Whites — and re that, at this point I am 100% convinced that Blacks are a net burden — this includes most importantly 1) their abysmally low levels of educational and academic achievement, and 2) the ‘opportunity costs’ of having so many black men in prison during what should be the most economically productive years of their lives.
https://twitter.com/whitereddit/status/810252848869023745
Thank you! It might be unbearably liberal but there can’t be any arguing that Massachusetts has the smartest whites in the nation. Minnesota, really?
Massachusetts might do a bit better than Minnesota due to the concentration of elite universities, but I find Minnesota to be more impressive overall since it lacks that advantage and still does great, and from a quality of life standpoint it is substantially cheaper to live in with a courteous and polite culture. The only bad thing I could say is the insane policy of accepting tens of thousands of Somalis – I have a lot of friends and family in the Twin Cities and regardless of politics, no native Minnesotan likes them.
However, Massachusetts has been continually importing--and shredding--IQ in abundance in the new order.
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Re Somalis. The blight is spreading.
I was connecting in DIA (Denver) last week, and noticed one Somali, then another, then another, then another. I thought, "I know i'm flying Frontier, not Delta or Sun Country ... this has to be Denver, not Minneapolis. We are going to hell even faster than i thought." Usually i get this unwelcome and depressing reminder of America's suicidal insanity connecting in Minneapolis not out on the high prairie.
I guess these Somalis really like airport work. Can't think of anyone i'd rather have inside an airport security perimeter.
OT--but there were also quite a few cadets in the terminal, exam week at the Air Force Academy. But 80% of them seemed to be female--saw about a dozen gals and only two guys. I know this was a skewed sample, but i'm guessing that political\bureaucratic imperatives are pushing the female numbers up. This doesn't do anything positive. There are plenty of young men motivated toward the idea of military service and defending their nation. More femininity and PC can hardly be motivating, but rather eats away at the idea and attractiveness of the military--until it becomes as appealing as any other government bureaucracy. These well-scrubbed gals seemed bright and attractive. I went over and chatted with one who sat nearby, she was pleasant, seemed bright--thought she'd done well on her exams and was upbeat. She and the others, would probably be terrific moms and ideally will do that and pass on their high-quality genes. Hard to see how being Air Force officers moves that desirable goal forward.
Hard to see a nation surviving that imports helots and discourages its best and brightest from having children.Replies: @Anon, @utu, @EdwardM
You can’t afford a house around Boston. Rent’s a lot better in the Western half of the state, though we do still have to deal with Eastern Mass snobbery
I am curious, too, but it would be hard to get general agreement upon boundaries and demographics.
As an erstwhile resident of Stone County, MO, for example, I would exclude Springfield. I expect that most Springfieldians (being rich and respectable) would reject that appellation as well. They would certainly reject “Ozark Hillbilly”. Further, the Walmart Effect (Bentonville) and the Branson Effect are so large they would likely swamp any representative numbers.
When I was a child, the population distribution was definitely white and bimodal. First, rich people from “the city” who moved south to build lodges, resorts and retirement communities to serve the tourists and elderly Yankee retirees. Second, the locals (e.g. “Winter’s Bone”) who were fractious, refractory, and independent as a hog on ice.
Iowa teems with my distant cousins who (Sailer brownie points here) were among the pioneer golfers of that great state.
Does anyone know which north-eastern state has the highest % of pre-Great Migration/pre-Civil War blacks? As I’m sure almost everyone knows, the overwhelming majority of blacks in the north are descendants of poor blacks who migrated to the north during the Great Migration which took place from the 1920s – 1960s. Much smaller numbers migrated north between the Civil War and WWI.
Although I don’t think this would help answer the question of which states do blacks tend to over-perform in, it could lead to interesting insights. Generally speaking, I think blacks who are mostly descended from pre-Civil War blacks are more affluent and educated than the ones descended from Great Migration blacks. I’m just not sure how distinctive of a community these pre-Civil War blacks are, and also which state has the most of them.
If we look at it regionally, the best whites (not the most elite but the best median) come from the Germanic Lutheran Upper Midwest...
1. Minnesota
2. Wisconsin
3. Iowa
4. North Dakota
5. South Dakota
6. Nebraska
...and the worst whites are from the Scots-Irish Appalachian-Ozarks belt:
46. Oklahoma
47. Arkansas
48. Tennessee
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
It would be interesting to compare whites in other countries as well, for example in Canada Alberta would be #1 and Newfoundland #10.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill, @Perspective, @Aquinasfan
You, sir, have wounded me to the heart. You cannot exclude the bottom fifth of Missouri from “the Ozarks”. That would exclude Branson, “Winter’s Bone”, and the Missouri bootheel.
OT
Maybe I dunno if being born as a minor- miner’s daughter in West Virginia was the worst or the best for this AA celebrity criminal ; but I do know that prevailing force that kept her out of an early retirement has to do something with a nature vs. nurture factoring:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4043610/Legendary-Jewel-thief-Doris-Payne-86-displays-charm-good-manners-court-appearance-stealing-2-000-necklace.html
Hey West Virginia, how’d switching sides during the Civil War work out for y’all?
Your list may be a bit backward looking. One predictor of the future might be the pension crisis brewing. Ill and NJ are said to have the most poorly funded state pensions. NY is said to have the most dependents per taxpayer or something. DC needs the Iraqistan fiasco to go on forever. California has the biggest state pension problem while Apple looks to follow Nokia into the cellphone abyss. Iowa and even West Virginia could possibly keep their own Ponzi pension schemes afloat with population growth. West Virginia could benefit as the capital BosNYWash corridor sprawls over the Virginia border. Under the radar seems to be the large scale failure of multi employer plan pension schemes, which nobody cares about, possible because they involve poor whites who do not work for the government.
Back when DC and NYC were slums John Denver wrote a nice song about West Virginia :
Take Me Home, Country Roads
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Me_Home,_Country_Roads
The tv show Dukes of Hazzard while officially Georgia might be considered Appalachia, back when living near average whites was considered better than the alternative. The South back then had a romantic quality. Midnight Cowboy was the depiction of NYC vs The South. With Jon Voight playing the polite athletic Southerner and Dustin Hoffman playing the obnoxious diseased NY ethnic. The sordid depiction of big city homosexuality is also interesting to look back on.
Some of it depends on what exactly counts as overperforming and underperforming. Average income? Median income? Crime rate? SAT scores? Out-of-wedlock births?
If we assume some roughly equally weighted combination of all of those, for Whites it is going to be hard to top Connecticut and Maryland. Massachusetts is in the running too, but there is still some vestigial white crime and disfunction, so let’s put them third. With New Jersey and Colorado in the mix, I’m not even sure Minnesota breaks the top five.
For Blacks, I am going to posit that the overperforming is generally to be found in the places where they are smallest in percentage of the population (with two caveats below). This is because it takes initiative, grit, and possibly reasons like relocating for a career, to live far from where you were born. On top of that, a small population encourages assimilating to the mainstream norm.
So for the overperforming Blacks I would guess Montana, Vermont, Wyoming, and maybe South Dakota. North Dakota has attracted some oil boom roughnecks of late, and Maine has lately become a Somali resettlement area, so I would not expect those two to be in the top for overperfoming Blacks, in spite of small numbers.
For overperforming Hispanics, that is going to be places where there is less agricultural labor to be done and simultaneously where the urban ghetto role is already filled by another group. This is the case in Alaska, and to a lesser extent Maine.
Lastly, when considering underperforming Asians, simply go where Hmong form the largest percentage of the Asian population. I believe that is Wisconsin, but possibly Minnesota.
I think your guesses are off, iSteve.
Hi, Maryland native here. No.
New York is the best state for whites to be born in, because New York has New York City, and being from New York City gives you a sizable leg up on everyone else. Problem is, you have to put up with everyone else in New York City.
If you're already an adult, New York isn't going to be that great for you. You'd be better off in West Virginia. But West Virginia is a nice place -- probably the best place for whites to move to right now, if you don't mind a commute. (It's two hours from Martinsburg to Union Station on the MARC, and an hour and twenty minutes from Harpers Ferry -- but it takes at least that long to drive to DC from, say, Laurel.)
Massachusetts has the same problem as New York. The western half is dysfunctional and the eastern half is Boston, which is worse than the worst part of Maryland that isn't Baltimore. And Boston is even less of a city than DC -- it's overshadowed by its own suburbs.
If we look at it regionally, the best whites (not the most elite but the best median) come from the Germanic Lutheran Upper Midwest...
1. Minnesota
2. Wisconsin
3. Iowa
4. North Dakota
5. South Dakota
6. Nebraska
...and the worst whites are from the Scots-Irish Appalachian-Ozarks belt:
46. Oklahoma
47. Arkansas
48. Tennessee
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
It would be interesting to compare whites in other countries as well, for example in Canada Alberta would be #1 and Newfoundland #10.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill, @Perspective, @Aquinasfan
In Canada, Alberta was the top performing Province for PISA 2015 with a score of 541, closely followed by BC (539) and Quebec (537). None of the Atlantic provinces scored above the Canadian average, though their scores did mostly improve for 2015, Newfoundland being the exception. Heavily First Nation Manitoba and Saskatchewan scored the worst. Unfortunately, none of the results are disaggregated by race/ethnicity that I know of, so it’s difficult to ascertain how each group is performing. For whites in Canada, I would say the top three Provinces, going by the data and adjusting for minority groups would be:
1. Alberta
2. Quebec
3. Maybe Ontario?
The worst:
1. Newfoundland
2. PEI
3. New Brunswick/Nova Scotia
I’m not sure how performance varied for minority groups across the Provinces.
For US whites, top three:
1. Massachusetts
2. Minnesota
3. New Jersey/Connecticut/Wisconsin
Bottom three:
1. West Virginia
2. Nevada
3. South Carolina
I’d like to see a detailed comparison of the Appalachians to the Ozarks.
That would be interesting. They seem to have more similarities than differences. Both were mainly settled by the Scots-Irish, with English, German, Irish Catholic and native Indian admixtures. Both had economies based on hunting, harvesting, ranching, mining and forestry, rather than the farming and plantation agriculture to the east and south. Both only ever had few slaves/blacks, and were mostly unaffected by later waves of immigration and internal migration.
Maybe because the Ozarks were settled about a century later than the Appalachians by, arguably, a slightly better and more ambitious class of the same people. their present-day descendants are doing slightly better for themselves?
Minnesota as #1 for whites depends on how you value the distribution. Minnesota has fewer elite whites than some other states but does well by the middle and lower half.
That’s how I took it: how well are the *median* whites doing in any given state. If you asked a different but related question, like what state has the most elite whites (in power, wealth, education, status, fame, etc) per capita, I think the list might look something like this:
1. New York
2. California
3. Massachusetts
4. Connecticut
5. New Jersey
6. Maryland
7. Illinois
8. Colorado
9. Virginia
10. Florida
I’ve lived for decades in MA and blacks have not been as violent as in other liberals cities. Can’t say why, I know that MA had a bad reputation with blacks going back to the 1970s busing debacles. In retrospect, that was a blessing in disguise 😉 Unfortunately, black teens are starting to engage in the flash mob robbing of stores as in other places. Hispanics seem to be doing the worst here. We’ve attracted lazy criminal Dominicans for decades and the result is the city of Lawrence which at one time was a car insurance fraud capital. And now hispanic illegals have infested low income cities that cluster around Boston and even some of the suburbs.
In my opinion, the best states for whites will always be the states that have the least amount of minorities. NH, ME, VT for examples.
A steady trickle of black career welfare recipients and unemployables has been making it’s way up to Minnesota from Chicago just like they previously went to Wisconsin. Welfare is better there and a number of them are on the lam from other gangbangers looking for them in Chicago. Putting them in along with the Somalis means the Minnesota paradise is going to tarnish in the future. Somehow, well-meaning whites have to always ruin a good thing.
For sure, St. Louis has gotten very few Hispanic immigrants in the era of the mass immigration of Hispanics. Often times, the local media will boast about surveys showing the St. Louis area as being good for Hispanic business men and women, not realizing the historical context. As far as the whole state, remember, St. Louis isn’t the whole state, and while the state as a whole doesn’t have that many, Kansas City has a more noticeable recent Hispanic immigrant presence, as well as a slew of agricultural processing plant towns in southwest Missouri.
Any Hellenistic-Mediterranean influence in St. Louis was drowned out by the Krauts and later other ethnics.
Ozarks vs Appalachians: I think that in terms of statistical measures, the Ozarks are the mini-me to the Appalachians.
I've got a hot-shot Harvard MBA friend who constantly mocks St Louis for its lack of growth and "new blood".
I always tell him that he is pointing out exactly why those who live there love it so much.Replies: @ABN, @Lot
Better than what? Define better.
Blacks, for example, strongly disagree about Massachusetts. We know this because they don’t move there. They are moving out of the North and into the South, despite Dylann Roof.
Whites are moving out of West Virginia, but that corresponds with the war on coal. The looming boom in natural gas production is expected to reverse those population trends. I’ve hunted and fished all over West Virginia. The one thing I’ve learned is that they like their way of life. The boiling off we see now will only intensify it.
Vermont, however, which is also losing people has no hope of reversing its trend, despite being a white utopia. It turns out that being a haven for middle-aged gay men with a love for antiquing is not a sustainable model. The number of abandon schools in Vermont has a Children of Men vibe to it.
Frankly, if you want to know where is doing well in the US, look for birth rates and median age. Young and poor has a future, while old and rich does not.
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV? On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.The PR influx the past decade may have changed this.I'd say California and Washington. More NE Asian and less Vietnamese than Texas. If you'd consider states with tiny Asian populations, the one Asian-American I know of from Iowa is an impressive guy.What percentage of Maine blacks are Somalis?Replies: @psmith, @anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @prosa123, @George
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV?
Mississippi is a bit ahead.
My different choices as the most over performing would be Massachusetts for Whites, Texas for Blacks, and Virginia for Asians. Northern Virginia has a lot of Indians and Koreans, who tend to perform at a higher level than say, the Vietnamese of Texas, or the Filipinos of California (to go by the largest Asian groups in those states). And Thomas Jefferson High School for Science & Technology isn’t the highest-performing high school in the nation year-after-year for nothing.
“which state is worst for each race? ”
I’m not sure if this is the correct way to phrase the question. When you have written about average IQ by state (and, as one example, West Virginia is at the bottom for whites), you really aren’t writing about ‘which state is worst for each race?’ Instead, you are writing, with the correct phrase,
‘In which state is each race worst?’
This puts the responsibility for the question on the actual culpable party: the people themselves.
(In other words, West Virginia isn’t the worst for whites-the West Virginia government doesn’t treat whites worse than all others. More accurately, the whites in West Virginia are the worst of whites in all states).
Note that your backward characterization of the situation is very common-so much so, it is insidious. For example: schools.
Our culture often talks about which school (individual school, state schools, private/charter/public school) is ‘worst-implying ‘worst for the students.’ But language matters, and I think anyone who is honest knows that the real characterization of the situation is ‘which school has the worst students’. Private school parents aren’t buying a school: they are buying classmates.
And so on.
joeyjoejoe
Private school parents think they're buying status, discipline, order, and academics. They only secondarily realize that means they're getting stronger peers for their kids. BTW, do you really think that's the most important characteristic for a good school?
As for Catholic and Christian schools (their nomenclature, not mine) I observe that most of them are buying tribalism. Which is perfectly okay.Replies: @Triumph104, @Hippopotamusdrome
Hispanics: Florida
If true I would say that it would be due to the presence of Cuban-Americans. Aren’t Cuban-Americans the most enterprising Hispanic group in the world?
Iowa is my heimat–and i think it’s a terrific place.Iowa is my heimat–and i think it’s a terrific place.
But my impression is Iowa’s white’s are declining in quality. The problem is brain drain.
Family example: Of my mom’s cohort, probably the two sharpest–my mom and one of her brothers–moved away. Of my born-in-Iowa cousins (boomer\gen-X, certainly the smartest–a lawyer, now in DC–and all the college educated but one, moved away. (Though one cycled back to build the nicest house in her\hubby’s home town, so they can be near family in retirement, her three college educated daughters are away–NYC and Milwaukee.) And yes, there’s drain among the few non-college cousins too, but it’s less severe. If you look at my highest IQ cousins and their children they have preferentially moved out toward the coasts.
If you look at what’s happened to the other early 20th century Iowa farm families i think you’d see the same general pattern: Best and brightest tended to leave for post-war opportunities outside Iowa.
And while Iowa farm labor is highly mechanized, and it’s well behind other areas, the Hispanic influx is definitely going on. Iowa is definitely “diversifying” if more slowly than other places. It’s white population, while still very high relative to the nation is now a touch < 90%.
Note, i'm not saying Iowa's not a great place for whites–it is. Iowa is clean, comfortably, pretty and distinctly still very "white" in feel and outlook. Great place to raise a family. Perhaps as other places "diversify", and whites look for sanctuary to live as whites there will be a white inflow?
But it's white human capital is definition not what it was in say 1920 or even 1960. It's been subject to pretty severe brain drain out to the coastal IQ-shredders.
Iowa does have those bitter Midwest winters against it--they're one of the reasons I would be hard pressed to return!
Pella was principally bankrolled by a relation of mine from the Netherlands (as its founders all were). His family back in Holland was rich and influential, both in Holland and the the Dutch East Indies. After a number of year in Iowa he wrote back to his brother in Amersfoort to confide that his greatest worry was that his descendants would be proletarianised by life in a land so bereft of education and culture.
He was right to this extent: those who stayed in Iowa drifted ever downwards on the social scale, while those who went West stayed socially afloat.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-lags-europe-in-iq-league-1-487587Many Scots with something on the ball gave up the bad weather and sheep and moved to London or the Empire.Replies: @syonredux
Except you don’t have to live 10 miles from Boston. The nice suburbs of Boston extend 20 miles out and there are good jobs to be had all over Eastern Massachusetts not just Boston.
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV? On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.The PR influx the past decade may have changed this.I'd say California and Washington. More NE Asian and less Vietnamese than Texas. If you'd consider states with tiny Asian populations, the one Asian-American I know of from Iowa is an impressive guy.What percentage of Maine blacks are Somalis?Replies: @psmith, @anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @prosa123, @George
Good question. Vermont is another high social capital, low birth rate state with a tiny, assimilated US black minority that is now importing fecund Somalis by the boatload.
News at eleven. Trump to blame.
For a best state for Blacks with a lot Blacks I nominate MD
As for best state for American Indians it’s CT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxwoods_Resort_Casino
I second Mass. Mass has always been #1 in education for whites, going back to Puritan times. A lot of high tech has moved to Silicon Valley but the Boston area is still important in tech.
I have no idea what Liebling was babbling about. He has been dead for 50+ years so maybe the past is a different country, but there were always a LOT of blacks in NO and SL. The Hellenistic world did not feature so many sub-Saharan Africans. Maybe in the past they were better controlled. Both New Orleans and St. Louis reminded me of any other black dominated city (Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, etc.). That same undertone of menace that you don’t want to make a wrong turn and end up in the wrong neighborhood after dark. That looting and rioting is only one power blackout or arrest gone wrong away. Even when I stayed in the downtown area, after dark there were folks fist fighting in front of the liquor store that was doing a brisk business in pints of cheap booze. The brochure may show the historic cemetery but not the housing project that is right next to it. Tourist brochure NO is nothing like actual NO – they leave the hordes of vibrant people out of the photos. Whatever the history of the place is or was, an overwhelming # of blacks in the present make the place unsafe and unpleasant. Guide books in the PC era completely ignore this so when you get there the reality is nothing like what you have been lead to believe.
Many areas are safe during the day but not at night. Often, places that are safe for tourists are sometimes literally around the corner from dangerous areas. Unlike most other cities in my experience, it is not easy to avoid danger in New Orleans if you don't know what you're doing. And, of course, a tourist isn't going to know. As you mentioned, this isn't in tourist brochures. Of course, that's because it's politically incorrect. They don't tell you what areas to avoid. They don't tell you not to come during Essence Festival or Bayou Classic. Locals know this. Restaurants and bars know this when they close "unexpectedly" due to "plumbing problems."
I really wish we as a society could give people useful but politically incorrect information mostly to keep people from getting shot or robbed but also to accommodate people visiting New Orleans. In spite of everything, New Orleans is a unique and wonderful place.
How can you have this list and not have how bad Alaska has been for them Eskimo?
I suppose people are more interested in what states are actually better for average of x group rather than which states has the best of x group. So Hawaii would probably not serve as the ideal for blacks for example. Another blogpost forthcoming I hope even if you have touched on this topic as well(only specifically for blacks though I think).
Also the type of heretic article that would be worth having in your eventual book.
I have no idea what Liebling was babbling about. He has been dead for 50+ years so maybe the past is a different country, but there were always a LOT of blacks in NO and SL. The Hellenistic world did not feature so many sub-Saharan Africans. Maybe in the past they were better controlled. Both New Orleans and St. Louis reminded me of any other black dominated city (Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, etc.). That same undertone of menace that you don't want to make a wrong turn and end up in the wrong neighborhood after dark. That looting and rioting is only one power blackout or arrest gone wrong away. Even when I stayed in the downtown area, after dark there were folks fist fighting in front of the liquor store that was doing a brisk business in pints of cheap booze. The brochure may show the historic cemetery but not the housing project that is right next to it. Tourist brochure NO is nothing like actual NO - they leave the hordes of vibrant people out of the photos. Whatever the history of the place is or was, an overwhelming # of blacks in the present make the place unsafe and unpleasant. Guide books in the PC era completely ignore this so when you get there the reality is nothing like what you have been lead to believe.Replies: @anonymous, @Federalist, @yaqub the mad scientist
New Orleans as I remember it from childhood doesn’t exist much anymore. It’s always been rough and high crime, but there was still some of the old culture that was present when I was a kid. In the 70’s and 80’s I’d hear plenty of people talking in Creole and French. You could hear so many flavors of music-not just fossilized dixieland or neo-secondline. Nowadays, it’s mostly just that numbing ghetto monoculture that imitates what’s seen on tv.
Agree Arclight. Circa 1950 Minnesota wins this easily–best native human capital.
However, Massachusetts has been continually importing–and shredding–IQ in abundance in the new order.
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Re Somalis. The blight is spreading.
I was connecting in DIA (Denver) last week, and noticed one Somali, then another, then another, then another. I thought, “I know i’m flying Frontier, not Delta or Sun Country … this has to be Denver, not Minneapolis. We are going to hell even faster than i thought.” Usually i get this unwelcome and depressing reminder of America’s suicidal insanity connecting in Minneapolis not out on the high prairie.
I guess these Somalis really like airport work. Can’t think of anyone i’d rather have inside an airport security perimeter.
OT–but there were also quite a few cadets in the terminal, exam week at the Air Force Academy. But 80% of them seemed to be female–saw about a dozen gals and only two guys. I know this was a skewed sample, but i’m guessing that political\bureaucratic imperatives are pushing the female numbers up. This doesn’t do anything positive. There are plenty of young men motivated toward the idea of military service and defending their nation. More femininity and PC can hardly be motivating, but rather eats away at the idea and attractiveness of the military–until it becomes as appealing as any other government bureaucracy. These well-scrubbed gals seemed bright and attractive. I went over and chatted with one who sat nearby, she was pleasant, seemed bright–thought she’d done well on her exams and was upbeat. She and the others, would probably be terrific moms and ideally will do that and pass on their high-quality genes. Hard to see how being Air Force officers moves that desirable goal forward.
Hard to see a nation surviving that imports helots and discourages its best and brightest from having children.
I’d say it’s clear the whites in Connecticut have covered themselves in glory, relatively. For a long, long time now.
As someone with very long roots in St. Louis, I have no idea what Steve is talking about with his reference to a surprising number of rich, elite Spanish-surnamed people here. What is the evidence?
I wonder if West Virginia could be headed for a revival.
Whites–at least Anglos+Germanics–like forests and mountains and “recreational amenities”. The Northern Virginia sprawl is close by and housing prices are getting more expensive. One wonders if some employers would decide that three hours away in West Virginia was an opportunity. No doubt the low quality of white human capital, plus–even more seriously–the problem of network effects and spouse employment opportunities has suppressed this option. But you gotta think a town or two could get rolling … and then it could become a thing. The lack of minorities and the benefit that provides–“safety”, “traditional” feel–could really be a drawing card.
You have made many stupid, pointless, bizarre and nonsensical posts, but this one sets a new bar.
Do you have early onset dementia? Ask your wife what she may have noticed.
Next week on iSteve: “Do these bananas seem more Episcopalian and scumpy than Pluto?”
The blacks in Hawaii benefit from being distributed – they are saved from themselves.
It’s the same reason that blacks generally do better in low-density metro Charlotte or Atlanta then they do in high-density Chicago.
The reason that whites in West Virginia rate low is because the smartest ones leave the state entirely, never to return. Smart whites from small towns across NC or GA help keep up the state’s white average by staying in-state since they have great metro areas to move to in Raleigh, Charlotte or Atlanta.
https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/810541504339001345
She just posted this; it’s a look into the mind of a hysterical and emotionally needy Jewess.
Here is a selection of her “recommended articles” from her Medium profile:
-Day 1 in Trump’s America [which quotes the $PLC]
-This Filthy Jewess is Done with “Alt-Right” Bullshit
-We Should Be Meaner to Racists
-Teaching in the Post-Truth Era
The import of large numbers of Somalis must easily be the most stupid public policy decision in the state’s history
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV? On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.The PR influx the past decade may have changed this.I'd say California and Washington. More NE Asian and less Vietnamese than Texas. If you'd consider states with tiny Asian populations, the one Asian-American I know of from Iowa is an impressive guy.What percentage of Maine blacks are Somalis?Replies: @psmith, @anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @prosa123, @George
The “Asian” thing is confused because the first question is simply “what sort of ‘Asian’ are we talking about?” The whole census category? “Asians” people mean when they think “Asian”–i.e. Orientals? Just NE Asians? It’s a much broader category HBD-wise than “white” or at least “white” as you find total white population in any state in the US.
My guess is that your “best Asians” would be some state that:
a) traditionally doesn’t have a lot of Asians
b) has only a small number recent Asian arrivals working in tech\professions
c) doesn’t have Hmong.
My guess would have been North Carolina, thinking they had just a scattering of Asians around the research triangle area and probably very few other ones. But then i looked in Wikipedia and apparently they’ve got the largest influx of Montagnards and quite a few Hmong after the war. So my guess there was dead wrong. But those would be the criteria to look for.
Iowa might be a real good guess.
a) traditionally doesn’t have a lot of Asians
b) has only a small number recent Asian arrivals working in tech\professions
c) doesn’t have Hmong."
You are 100 percent wrong. It's California by a huge landslide. AnotherDad I guarantee you can not afford to live in a single Asian suburb in California because they are all upper middle class.Replies: @biz, @Lot
But my impression is Iowa's white's are declining in quality. The problem is brain drain.
Family example: Of my mom's cohort, probably the two sharpest--my mom and one of her brothers--moved away. Of my born-in-Iowa cousins (boomer\gen-X, certainly the smartest--a lawyer, now in DC--and all the college educated but one, moved away. (Though one cycled back to build the nicest house in her\hubby's home town, so they can be near family in retirement, her three college educated daughters are away--NYC and Milwaukee.) And yes, there's drain among the few non-college cousins too, but it's less severe. If you look at my highest IQ cousins and their children they have preferentially moved out toward the coasts.
If you look at what's happened to the other early 20th century Iowa farm families i think you'd see the same general pattern: Best and brightest tended to leave for post-war opportunities outside Iowa.
And while Iowa farm labor is highly mechanized, and it's well behind other areas, the Hispanic influx is definitely going on. Iowa is definitely "diversifying" if more slowly than other places. It's white population, while still very high relative to the nation is now a touch < 90%.
Note, i'm not saying Iowa's not a great place for whites--it is. Iowa is clean, comfortably, pretty and distinctly still very "white" in feel and outlook. Great place to raise a family. Perhaps as other places "diversify", and whites look for sanctuary to live as whites there will be a white inflow?
But it's white human capital is definition not what it was in say 1920 or even 1960. It's been subject to pretty severe brain drain out to the coastal IQ-shredders.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Old Palo Altan, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Boomstick
You make very good points in your post, a lot of bright Iowans left to pursue other opportunities; not only bi-coastal but also Minneapolis and Chicago. I too am from Iowa but left in 1979 (sometimes I wonder if I contributed to any “brain drain,” however). My brother is outside Iowa but my sister returned about 15 years ago. Some of my cousins remained. And the Hispanic presence is growing (I’ve heard Marshalltown and Storm Lake now have large Hispanic populations–there may be others). The brain drain might be reversing–as I said in my earlier post, Des Moines is booming and I think that the jobs are in insurance and publishing, which generally require fairly bright workers.
Iowa does have those bitter Midwest winters against it–they’re one of the reasons I would be hard pressed to return!
If we look at it regionally, the best whites (not the most elite but the best median) come from the Germanic Lutheran Upper Midwest...
1. Minnesota
2. Wisconsin
3. Iowa
4. North Dakota
5. South Dakota
6. Nebraska
...and the worst whites are from the Scots-Irish Appalachian-Ozarks belt:
46. Oklahoma
47. Arkansas
48. Tennessee
49. Kentucky
50. West Virginia
It would be interesting to compare whites in other countries as well, for example in Canada Alberta would be #1 and Newfoundland #10.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Big Bill, @Perspective, @Aquinasfan
Living in Edmonton, I’d say Saskatchewan is slowly over taking Alberta. The majority of the 100,000+ jobs that have been lost are high paying blue collar careers related to oil and gas. The current socialist government has acerbated the situation with it’s climate agenda. Meanwhile, Saskatchewan has made it increasingly easier for oil and gas to operate.
Stating the obvious these fields are dominated by whites.
I don't disagree, but I think that historically Alberta has had the highest performing white population on average, with Saskatchewan a close second. Partly I base this on the labo(u)r participation rate (LPR), which is highest in the Prairie provinces (#1 Alberta @ 73%, #2 Saskatchewan @ 70.1%), and lowest in the Atlantic provinces (#10 Newfoundland @ 61.1%).
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor07a-eng.htm
I think the LPR is a better economic indicator of a society's social health and sense of purpose than merely measuring incomes per capita, which can be pushed deceptively high by a large resident elite population of multi-millionaires and billionaires, or cancelled out completely by higher costs and taxes.
The LPR measures a society's work ethic and willingness to try to earn an honest income and pay taxes on it, i.e. to play by the rules within the system. In places with a low LPR, like Atlantic Canada or the Appalachian-Ozarks belt, a higher percentage of people are permanently on welfare or disability, or are working off the books, or engaging in illegal activity, or living entirely off the incomes of others.
It mirrors a society's average human capital, and trickles down to a multitude of quality of life indicators. This is how the Germanic Lutheran states rank in LPR:
1. North Dakota 71.6%
2. Nebraska 70.8%
3. Iowa 70.4%
4. Minnesota 70%
5. South Dakota 69.5%
8. Wisconsin 68.5%
Six of the top eight is pretty impressive for this region (numbers 6 and 7 are DC and New Hampshire). Here's how the Appalachian-Ozark states rank:
38. Oklahoma 60.6%
44. Tennessee 58.4%
47. Kentucky 57.9%
48. Arkansas 57.6%
51. West Virginia 52.8%
https://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed/Express-Releases-State-by-State-Analysis-of-Labor-Force-Participation-Rates.aspx?&referrer=http://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed-News-List.aspx?PageNumber=3
Numbers 49 and 50 are Alabama and Mississippi, whose large black populations may help drive down the LPR. But the Appalachian-Ozark states don't really have that excuse. Energy-rich states like Oklahoma and North Dakota (or provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan) have a slightly higher LPR than might be expected, but otherwise it closely matches the "human capital of the median white person" rankings.
Among whites, in both Canada and the US it's the most Germanic regions of each country (Prairies, Upper Midwest) that have the highest LPR/quality of life, while the most Celtic regions (Atlantic provinces, Appalachian-Ozarks belt) have the lowest. Make of that what you will.Replies: @Aquinasfan, @J1234
In Hawaii, the Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, Korean) are the descendants of plantation workers. In mainland America, the post-1965 wave of Asian migrants includes a disproportionate share of college-educated professionals and entrepreneurs. Also, South Asian migrants are highly selected and grouped under the “Asian-American” census group, so they further inflate the performance of mainland Asians.
It wouldn’t surprise me if there’s some degree of cultural difference too. I bet Hawaii Asians are more into surfboards than cram schools. If you go to Silicon Valley though, the Asians (mostly Chinese or Indian) are ferociously academically competitive.
Whites--at least Anglos+Germanics--like forests and mountains and "recreational amenities". The Northern Virginia sprawl is close by and housing prices are getting more expensive. One wonders if some employers would decide that three hours away in West Virginia was an opportunity. No doubt the low quality of white human capital, plus--even more seriously--the problem of network effects and spouse employment opportunities has suppressed this option. But you gotta think a town or two could get rolling ... and then it could become a thing. The lack of minorities and the benefit that provides--"safety", "traditional" feel--could really be a drawing card.Replies: @Perspective, @Desiderius
It already is, at least in the eastern panhandle that veers toward the Washington DC metro area. Both Berkeley and Jefferson counties have seen significant growth over the past 20 years or so. Jefferson County looks like a fairly nice place: http://tinyurl.com/jgevh5y
There would be more gained by helping the people of McDowell County and especially their children than all the affirmative action programs in NYC or wherever else you care to name. Since they are white that will not happen. I spent three weeks in McDowell county 55 years ago. Not fun. Extreme insularity, hyper suspicion of outsiders, extreme poverty. The movie Matewan was set in McDowell county or immediately adjacent. Recommended even though communist. Shows white people with backbone.
I have no idea what Liebling was babbling about. He has been dead for 50+ years so maybe the past is a different country, but there were always a LOT of blacks in NO and SL. The Hellenistic world did not feature so many sub-Saharan Africans. Maybe in the past they were better controlled. Both New Orleans and St. Louis reminded me of any other black dominated city (Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, etc.). That same undertone of menace that you don't want to make a wrong turn and end up in the wrong neighborhood after dark. That looting and rioting is only one power blackout or arrest gone wrong away. Even when I stayed in the downtown area, after dark there were folks fist fighting in front of the liquor store that was doing a brisk business in pints of cheap booze. The brochure may show the historic cemetery but not the housing project that is right next to it. Tourist brochure NO is nothing like actual NO - they leave the hordes of vibrant people out of the photos. Whatever the history of the place is or was, an overwhelming # of blacks in the present make the place unsafe and unpleasant. Guide books in the PC era completely ignore this so when you get there the reality is nothing like what you have been lead to believe.Replies: @anonymous, @Federalist, @yaqub the mad scientist
I know New Orleans well. I find it striking that you can do fine if you really know when and where to be. For instance, don’t go to the French Quarter on Thanksgiving weekend. That’s the Bayou Classic football game – Southern vs. Grambling, Louisiana’s two black colleges. (Really, the problems don’t generally come from students, alumni, or other people affiliated with either university. For some reason, once the numbers reach critical mass, troublemakers show up who probably don’t know where Southern or Grambling are located).
Many areas are safe during the day but not at night. Often, places that are safe for tourists are sometimes literally around the corner from dangerous areas. Unlike most other cities in my experience, it is not easy to avoid danger in New Orleans if you don’t know what you’re doing. And, of course, a tourist isn’t going to know. As you mentioned, this isn’t in tourist brochures. Of course, that’s because it’s politically incorrect. They don’t tell you what areas to avoid. They don’t tell you not to come during Essence Festival or Bayou Classic. Locals know this. Restaurants and bars know this when they close “unexpectedly” due to “plumbing problems.”
I really wish we as a society could give people useful but politically incorrect information mostly to keep people from getting shot or robbed but also to accommodate people visiting New Orleans. In spite of everything, New Orleans is a unique and wonderful place.
It wouldn't surprise me if there's some degree of cultural difference too. I bet Hawaii Asians are more into surfboards than cram schools. If you go to Silicon Valley though, the Asians (mostly Chinese or Indian) are ferociously academically competitive.Replies: @syonredux
Hawaii does seem to have a Lotus-Eater culture…..
RE: West Virginia,
My guess is that your "best Asians" would be some state that:
a) traditionally doesn't have a lot of Asians
b) has only a small number recent Asian arrivals working in tech\professions
c) doesn't have Hmong.
My guess would have been North Carolina, thinking they had just a scattering of Asians around the research triangle area and probably very few other ones. But then i looked in Wikipedia and apparently they've got the largest influx of Montagnards and quite a few Hmong after the war. So my guess there was dead wrong. But those would be the criteria to look for.
Iowa might be a real good guess.Replies: @Jefferson
“My guess is that your “best Asians” would be some state that:
a) traditionally doesn’t have a lot of Asians
b) has only a small number recent Asian arrivals working in tech\professions
c) doesn’t have Hmong.”
You are 100 percent wrong. It’s California by a huge landslide. AnotherDad I guarantee you can not afford to live in a single Asian suburb in California because they are all upper middle class.
* vs. Armenian vs. Northern Mexican vs. Southern Mexican, but those are irrelevant for the purposes of considering downscale Asians.Replies: @Jefferson
Rich whites and Asians stay somewhat separated as the former prefer to renovate older houses on better and larger lots while the NE Asian prefer modern post-1990 developments. These are generalizations however, white families with 2+ kids often like the lower maintenance new construction with big interiors in places like Carmel Valley and 4S Ranch.
Whites--at least Anglos+Germanics--like forests and mountains and "recreational amenities". The Northern Virginia sprawl is close by and housing prices are getting more expensive. One wonders if some employers would decide that three hours away in West Virginia was an opportunity. No doubt the low quality of white human capital, plus--even more seriously--the problem of network effects and spouse employment opportunities has suppressed this option. But you gotta think a town or two could get rolling ... and then it could become a thing. The lack of minorities and the benefit that provides--"safety", "traditional" feel--could really be a drawing card.Replies: @Perspective, @Desiderius
My grandfather was a Chemical Engineer with DuPont in Charleston and Parkersburg. Out of his seven children, two (one the best, another the brightest) stayed and are both multi-millionaires. Five of their seven total children have stayed and all are doing very well with families of their own. A couple cousins have moved back and I was there for a few years and enjoyed it before returning to Ohio to be closer to my siblings and their families.
There are worse places for whites. Many of the brain drained I know have not done as well.
OT:
I really hope that the RNC, or some other Republican officials or organization, has been in communication with Republican electors in order to counter the campaign being waged by Democrats urging them to not vote for Trump. If Republicans have not been waging a strong, counter campaign in support of Trump, and if Trump does not receive enough electoral votes tomorrow to be named POTUS, I will extremely disappointed and disgusted. I’ve heard lots of noise from Democrats regarding tomorrow’s vote, but very little from Republicans.
I live in Oklahoma and have spent a fair amount of time in Arkansas and West Virginia. I can tell you that the whites in these states are a pretty similar. They are a pretty rough bunch. Nothing like the effete white men you see portrayed on television.
Most are pretty friendly until you give them a reason not to be. It’s best to mind your manners if you find yourself in one of those states.
I will say that there are areas in Oklahoma City and Tulsa where you will find a fair number of yuppies and hipsters. I generally try to avoid those areas.
But my impression is Iowa's white's are declining in quality. The problem is brain drain.
Family example: Of my mom's cohort, probably the two sharpest--my mom and one of her brothers--moved away. Of my born-in-Iowa cousins (boomer\gen-X, certainly the smartest--a lawyer, now in DC--and all the college educated but one, moved away. (Though one cycled back to build the nicest house in her\hubby's home town, so they can be near family in retirement, her three college educated daughters are away--NYC and Milwaukee.) And yes, there's drain among the few non-college cousins too, but it's less severe. If you look at my highest IQ cousins and their children they have preferentially moved out toward the coasts.
If you look at what's happened to the other early 20th century Iowa farm families i think you'd see the same general pattern: Best and brightest tended to leave for post-war opportunities outside Iowa.
And while Iowa farm labor is highly mechanized, and it's well behind other areas, the Hispanic influx is definitely going on. Iowa is definitely "diversifying" if more slowly than other places. It's white population, while still very high relative to the nation is now a touch < 90%.
Note, i'm not saying Iowa's not a great place for whites--it is. Iowa is clean, comfortably, pretty and distinctly still very "white" in feel and outlook. Great place to raise a family. Perhaps as other places "diversify", and whites look for sanctuary to live as whites there will be a white inflow?
But it's white human capital is definition not what it was in say 1920 or even 1960. It's been subject to pretty severe brain drain out to the coastal IQ-shredders.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Old Palo Altan, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Boomstick
Agreed.
Pella was principally bankrolled by a relation of mine from the Netherlands (as its founders all were). His family back in Holland was rich and influential, both in Holland and the the Dutch East Indies. After a number of year in Iowa he wrote back to his brother in Amersfoort to confide that his greatest worry was that his descendants would be proletarianised by life in a land so bereft of education and culture.
He was right to this extent: those who stayed in Iowa drifted ever downwards on the social scale, while those who went West stayed socially afloat.
I’m not sure what you mean by “Hellenistic-Mediterranean”, but descent from the Lecledes or the Chouteaus (the founding families of St Louis) is still the ne plus ultra of social distinction there.
I’ve got a hot-shot Harvard MBA friend who constantly mocks St Louis for its lack of growth and “new blood”.
I always tell him that he is pointing out exactly why those who live there love it so much.
Did you have any opinions on it?Replies: @Old Palo Altan
However, Massachusetts has been continually importing--and shredding--IQ in abundance in the new order.
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Re Somalis. The blight is spreading.
I was connecting in DIA (Denver) last week, and noticed one Somali, then another, then another, then another. I thought, "I know i'm flying Frontier, not Delta or Sun Country ... this has to be Denver, not Minneapolis. We are going to hell even faster than i thought." Usually i get this unwelcome and depressing reminder of America's suicidal insanity connecting in Minneapolis not out on the high prairie.
I guess these Somalis really like airport work. Can't think of anyone i'd rather have inside an airport security perimeter.
OT--but there were also quite a few cadets in the terminal, exam week at the Air Force Academy. But 80% of them seemed to be female--saw about a dozen gals and only two guys. I know this was a skewed sample, but i'm guessing that political\bureaucratic imperatives are pushing the female numbers up. This doesn't do anything positive. There are plenty of young men motivated toward the idea of military service and defending their nation. More femininity and PC can hardly be motivating, but rather eats away at the idea and attractiveness of the military--until it becomes as appealing as any other government bureaucracy. These well-scrubbed gals seemed bright and attractive. I went over and chatted with one who sat nearby, she was pleasant, seemed bright--thought she'd done well on her exams and was upbeat. She and the others, would probably be terrific moms and ideally will do that and pass on their high-quality genes. Hard to see how being Air Force officers moves that desirable goal forward.
Hard to see a nation surviving that imports helots and discourages its best and brightest from having children.Replies: @Anon, @utu, @EdwardM
They’ll likely marry in-house, namely other Air Force cadets. You tend to mate within the pool of people you hang around with.
I've got a hot-shot Harvard MBA friend who constantly mocks St Louis for its lack of growth and "new blood".
I always tell him that he is pointing out exactly why those who live there love it so much.Replies: @ABN, @Lot
In the context of the last couple decades, I associate “growth” with colonization by Mexicans and/or SWPLs. In the long run, this kind of growth is a poisoned chalice for any metro area that enjoys it.
Exhibit A: Texas is well on its way to becoming a blue state.
OT
Donna Zuckerberg has some really odd views:
Misogyny is also a foundation of Black and Muslim culture. In fact those cultures have misogyny on steroids.
You would pretty much eliminate all gang rapes on the planet if all Black men and Muslim men ceased to exist.Replies: @eah
Minnesota is hard to figure out.
1. It’s a blue state (trending purple) with red-state tastes (hunting, etc.).
2. Despite high test scores, its state universities are mediocre; the flagship campus is in the news for embarrassing reasons involving athletes every few years.
3. Minnesotans tend to have a very high opinion of their own state and a very low opinion of states to their south (especially Texas, but even Iowa is looked down upon).
4. They pride themselves on “Minnesota Nice,” but the term is best understood ironically. (Is anyone less friendly than Minnesotans? New Yorkers, maybe?)
5. They are surprisingly rough-around-the-edges. You will hear, for example, middle-class Minnesotans using very strong language in public situations where you don’t expect it.
6. The state suffers from tremendous suburban sprawl; land is developed very inefficiently.
7. At the same time, the Twin Cities suffer from urban overcrowding; public amenities like Como Park in Saint Paul now feature airport-style electronic parking availability signs.
8. State demographics seem to be changing much faster than official statistics indicate. You can count hundreds of headscarves on a trip to the shopping mall.
9. Garrison Keillor represents Minnesota’s confusion about its own insular culture: a weird combination of condescension and corniness; there is not much warmth there.
10. It was 20 below zero this morning.
There is zero evidence that Minnesota is trending purple. No Democrat will ever lose Minnesota in a presidential election again.Replies: @Grumpy, @AnotherDad, @Buck Turgidson, @Anon
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/reputation-and-economy-explain-why-latinos-st-louis-are-comparatively-few#stream/0
Most are pretty friendly until you give them a reason not to be. It's best to mind your manners if you find yourself in one of those states.
I will say that there are areas in Oklahoma City and Tulsa where you will find a fair number of yuppies and hipsters. I generally try to avoid those areas.Replies: @Jefferson, @JohnnyWalker123
“I live in Oklahoma and have spent a fair amount of time in Arkansas and West Virginia. I can tell you that the whites in these states are a pretty similar. They are a pretty rough bunch. Nothing like the effete white men you see portrayed on television.
Most are pretty friendly until you give them a reason not to be. It’s best to mind your manners if you find yourself in one of those states.”
Would you say the reason there has never been a Black Lies Matter race riot in West Virginia, Arkansas, and Oklahoma is because so many Whites in these states pack heat?
Muted U.S. Response to China’s Seizure of Drone Worries Asian Allies
Even the NYT seems to think that Trump is president, and Hussein is not. But they’ve got that backwards; Hussein is president, and Trump is not.
It’s amazing the lengths they’ll go to, to shift blame for Hussein’s weakness onto Trump: “China punks Hussein, Trump hardest hit.” FFS.
But don’t worry, Hussein’s going to get revenge by living well; isn’t he on vacation? Maybe he’s golfing.
However, Massachusetts has been continually importing--and shredding--IQ in abundance in the new order.
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Re Somalis. The blight is spreading.
I was connecting in DIA (Denver) last week, and noticed one Somali, then another, then another, then another. I thought, "I know i'm flying Frontier, not Delta or Sun Country ... this has to be Denver, not Minneapolis. We are going to hell even faster than i thought." Usually i get this unwelcome and depressing reminder of America's suicidal insanity connecting in Minneapolis not out on the high prairie.
I guess these Somalis really like airport work. Can't think of anyone i'd rather have inside an airport security perimeter.
OT--but there were also quite a few cadets in the terminal, exam week at the Air Force Academy. But 80% of them seemed to be female--saw about a dozen gals and only two guys. I know this was a skewed sample, but i'm guessing that political\bureaucratic imperatives are pushing the female numbers up. This doesn't do anything positive. There are plenty of young men motivated toward the idea of military service and defending their nation. More femininity and PC can hardly be motivating, but rather eats away at the idea and attractiveness of the military--until it becomes as appealing as any other government bureaucracy. These well-scrubbed gals seemed bright and attractive. I went over and chatted with one who sat nearby, she was pleasant, seemed bright--thought she'd done well on her exams and was upbeat. She and the others, would probably be terrific moms and ideally will do that and pass on their high-quality genes. Hard to see how being Air Force officers moves that desirable goal forward.
Hard to see a nation surviving that imports helots and discourages its best and brightest from having children.Replies: @Anon, @utu, @EdwardM
Somalis cornered airport jobs not only in Denver. Any explanations?
I really hope that the RNC, or some other Republican officials or organization, has been in communication with Republican electors in order to counter the campaign being waged by Democrats urging them to not vote for Trump. If Republicans have not been waging a strong, counter campaign in support of Trump, and if Trump does not receive enough electoral votes tomorrow to be named POTUS, I will extremely disappointed and disgusted. I've heard lots of noise from Democrats regarding tomorrow's vote, but very little from Republicans.Replies: @Jefferson
“if Trump does not receive enough electoral votes tomorrow to be named POTUS, I will extremely disappointed and disgusted.”
If Donald J. Trump does not win the electoral vote tomorrow than it goes to The House Of Representatives which is majority Republican and there is a zero percent chance most Republicans in The House are going to vote for Crooked Hildabeast for president of The United States.
Couldn't they use it as an opportunity to vote for Kasich or someone other than Trump?Replies: @Boomstick, @Jefferson
I have no idea what Liebling was babbling about. He has been dead for 50+ years so maybe the past is a different country, but there were always a LOT of blacks in NO and SL. The Hellenistic world did not feature so many sub-Saharan Africans. Maybe in the past they were better controlled. Both New Orleans and St. Louis reminded me of any other black dominated city (Detroit, Baltimore, Memphis, etc.). That same undertone of menace that you don't want to make a wrong turn and end up in the wrong neighborhood after dark. That looting and rioting is only one power blackout or arrest gone wrong away. Even when I stayed in the downtown area, after dark there were folks fist fighting in front of the liquor store that was doing a brisk business in pints of cheap booze. The brochure may show the historic cemetery but not the housing project that is right next to it. Tourist brochure NO is nothing like actual NO - they leave the hordes of vibrant people out of the photos. Whatever the history of the place is or was, an overwhelming # of blacks in the present make the place unsafe and unpleasant. Guide books in the PC era completely ignore this so when you get there the reality is nothing like what you have been lead to believe.Replies: @anonymous, @Federalist, @yaqub the mad scientist
The New Orleans of my childhood seems pretty much gone. When I spent time there in the 70’s and 80’s you still heard Creole and French spoken, and the variety of music was way more than fossilized Dixieland or the neo-second line stuff. It’s always been high crime, but there was a lot to redeem it. Now I see a lot of the ghetto monoculture that people just learn from tv.
St Louis traditionally full of upper-class people with Hispanic names? I can’t think of any, but would be fascinated to hear of a few.
The old upper-class in St Louis was French: Laclede, Chouteau, Pratte, Gratiot, Bogy, and so on.
After that the usual Anglo mix, then the Germans in a big way and Irish too.
But Hispanic? Enlighten me.
By the way, France was and remains aware of the Frenchness of St Louis. When the (now called “Old”) cathedral was built in the early nineteenth century, the king of France himself, Louis XVIII, donated the painting of St Louis which hangs over the high altar there to this day.
There was a real small-town feel to the Mardi Gras parades across the river back in the 90s. Is that still there?
Well we don;t have to guess at it-
http://cepa.stanford.edu/educational-opportunity-monitoring-project/achievement-gaps/race/
Looks like blacks to best in wyoming and mass while whites do best in DC by a mile. Mass is 2nd best for whites. Not sure about asians. For hispanics there is a lot of disparity between grade 4 and grade 8. No idea why. Missouri, Vermont and North Dakota look good for grade 8 but Maryland is best at grade 4.
Unlike the white vs black/hispanic achievement gap, I am sure no one is keeping tabs on the white vs asian gap by state, so someone would have to make the effort to pull that together.
Montana did really well on 2011 8th grade scores with a tiny gap. The data looks weird though in that the overall average is closer to the black score than the white score. Any idea what is going on? Could Hispanics be pulling the average down more than blacks?
Worth mentioning that the number of whites in DC was tiny. I wonder how many were in exclusive private schools.Replies: @res
Isn’t Liebling putting on airs and meaningless airs at that when he tosses in Hellenistic as descriptive of New Orleans, Port-Au-Prince and Havana? I think he is. If put to it I doubt he could say in what way any of those port cities is Hellenistic. Could you?
As a Connecticut native I pretty much agree with its bottom ranking for Hispanics.* Hartford in particular has long had a highly dysfunctional Hispanic population. I _think_ (I no longer live in the state but retain ties) that the Hispanics might be doing a bit better these days, but there’s definitely a very long way to go.
Connecticut’s white population isn’t as highly ranked as some might think. Yes, there are many very affluent and sophisticated white people, but there also are a lot of Jersey Shore-ish Guido types, and especially east of the river there’s a good number of what would be called rednecks in other parts of the country.
* = years ago I heard that there was a big sign in the San Juan airport listing average welfare benefits in various mainland states, and Connecticut was usually the highest. It’s almost certainly untrue, as obviously people choose their destinations _before_ getting to the airport!
Rhode Island also has a lot of Guidos.
1. It's a blue state (trending purple) with red-state tastes (hunting, etc.).
2. Despite high test scores, its state universities are mediocre; the flagship campus is in the news for embarrassing reasons involving athletes every few years.
3. Minnesotans tend to have a very high opinion of their own state and a very low opinion of states to their south (especially Texas, but even Iowa is looked down upon).
4. They pride themselves on "Minnesota Nice," but the term is best understood ironically. (Is anyone less friendly than Minnesotans? New Yorkers, maybe?)
5. They are surprisingly rough-around-the-edges. You will hear, for example, middle-class Minnesotans using very strong language in public situations where you don't expect it.
6. The state suffers from tremendous suburban sprawl; land is developed very inefficiently.
7. At the same time, the Twin Cities suffer from urban overcrowding; public amenities like Como Park in Saint Paul now feature airport-style electronic parking availability signs.
8. State demographics seem to be changing much faster than official statistics indicate. You can count hundreds of headscarves on a trip to the shopping mall.
9. Garrison Keillor represents Minnesota's confusion about its own insular culture: a weird combination of condescension and corniness; there is not much warmth there.
10. It was 20 below zero this morning.Replies: @ricpic, @Jefferson, @Corn, @Diversity Heretic
I can’t think of a less likable person than Garrison Keillor.
I’m pretty sure it was organized by a group connected to the administration. Is this the definition of a conspiracy?
The husband of a friend saved a lot of money to attend air traffic control school. He graduated high in his class and passed the test easily. He was nearly guaranteed a very high-paying job. Shortly after, the rules were changed since the administration felt that having to pay for air traffic school was an impediment to minorities and caused a disparate impact.
Now they seem to look for applicants based on skin color, etc, but not ability.
When I was looking into this situation for my friend, I was struck by how much black outreach I saw for these newly available, high-paying jobs.
I was also struck by the fact that I had not heard about it in the Steve-o-sphere.
It was a personal tragedy for my friend, who had sacrificed a lot.
If there are accidents due to incompetent air traffic controllers, it will be a tragedy for many more people.
http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/hans-bader/faa-endangers-public-safety-through-illegal-racial-diversity-obsession
1. It's a blue state (trending purple) with red-state tastes (hunting, etc.).
2. Despite high test scores, its state universities are mediocre; the flagship campus is in the news for embarrassing reasons involving athletes every few years.
3. Minnesotans tend to have a very high opinion of their own state and a very low opinion of states to their south (especially Texas, but even Iowa is looked down upon).
4. They pride themselves on "Minnesota Nice," but the term is best understood ironically. (Is anyone less friendly than Minnesotans? New Yorkers, maybe?)
5. They are surprisingly rough-around-the-edges. You will hear, for example, middle-class Minnesotans using very strong language in public situations where you don't expect it.
6. The state suffers from tremendous suburban sprawl; land is developed very inefficiently.
7. At the same time, the Twin Cities suffer from urban overcrowding; public amenities like Como Park in Saint Paul now feature airport-style electronic parking availability signs.
8. State demographics seem to be changing much faster than official statistics indicate. You can count hundreds of headscarves on a trip to the shopping mall.
9. Garrison Keillor represents Minnesota's confusion about its own insular culture: a weird combination of condescension and corniness; there is not much warmth there.
10. It was 20 below zero this morning.Replies: @ricpic, @Jefferson, @Corn, @Diversity Heretic
“1. It’s a blue state (trending purple)”
There is zero evidence that Minnesota is trending purple. No Democrat will ever lose Minnesota in a presidential election again.
This is the first time that's happened--a more Republican margin than nationally--in Minnesota since ... i don't know when. The Democrat candidates margin has been better than national in every election i believe since i've been alive, but was not this time.
I'd guess that basically that's because more and more "Minnesota nice" white folks are ... waking up. In particular the "blue north" up around the lake has been getting less blue, and the state--outside the Twin Cities--looking more and more like the Dakotas. Of course whether that happens fast enough--"good whites" are pretty effing stupid--to overcome the "vibrant" diversification hard to say. But in the unlikely event Trump is able to do a good job--and stave off both recessionary and inflationary--trends maybe even in 2016.
But Jefferson, "ever ... again" is a long time.Replies: @Jefferson, @Desiderius
http://www.nbcfae.org/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=303425&module_id=148826
http://sacobserver.com/2016/08/young-black-job-seekers-spruce-up-resumes-aviation-careers-opening/
“Among other things, the bipartisan legislation, which is currently making the rounds in the nation’s capital, aims at improving hiring and staffing of air traffic controllers at the FAA by directly notifying air traffic controller vacancies to Historically Black Colleges and other minority institutions.”
Good list.
1. It's a blue state (trending purple) with red-state tastes (hunting, etc.).
2. Despite high test scores, its state universities are mediocre; the flagship campus is in the news for embarrassing reasons involving athletes every few years.
3. Minnesotans tend to have a very high opinion of their own state and a very low opinion of states to their south (especially Texas, but even Iowa is looked down upon).
4. They pride themselves on "Minnesota Nice," but the term is best understood ironically. (Is anyone less friendly than Minnesotans? New Yorkers, maybe?)
5. They are surprisingly rough-around-the-edges. You will hear, for example, middle-class Minnesotans using very strong language in public situations where you don't expect it.
6. The state suffers from tremendous suburban sprawl; land is developed very inefficiently.
7. At the same time, the Twin Cities suffer from urban overcrowding; public amenities like Como Park in Saint Paul now feature airport-style electronic parking availability signs.
8. State demographics seem to be changing much faster than official statistics indicate. You can count hundreds of headscarves on a trip to the shopping mall.
9. Garrison Keillor represents Minnesota's confusion about its own insular culture: a weird combination of condescension and corniness; there is not much warmth there.
10. It was 20 below zero this morning.Replies: @ricpic, @Jefferson, @Corn, @Diversity Heretic
Down on Minnesota a bit Grumpy? In all seriousness I’ve limited experience with MN, though I spent about a week and a half in Rochester while my mom was being cared for at the Mayo Clinic. In my experience the people are friendly but didn’t seem anymore friendly than folks in other Midwestern states. And the ubiquitous Somalis…. the men are all rail thin but the women often have some poundage on them. Maybe they snack and nibble too much while they’re cooking?
Connecticut's white population isn't as highly ranked as some might think. Yes, there are many very affluent and sophisticated white people, but there also are a lot of Jersey Shore-ish Guido types, and especially east of the river there's a good number of what would be called rednecks in other parts of the country.
* = years ago I heard that there was a big sign in the San Juan airport listing average welfare benefits in various mainland states, and Connecticut was usually the highest. It's almost certainly untrue, as obviously people choose their destinations _before_ getting to the airport!Replies: @Jefferson
“Yes, there are many very affluent and sophisticated white people, but there also are a lot of Jersey Shore-ish Guido types,”
Rhode Island also has a lot of Guidos.
Yes. It would be suicidal.
“The old upper-class in St Louis was French: Laclede, Chouteau, Pratte, Gratiot, Bogy, and so on.”
IIRC the only areas of the Louisiana Purchase with substantial French settlements were the state of Louisiana and the area of Missouri surrounding St. Louis. Just like Louisiana has the French speaking Cajuns east-central or southeastern Missouri had a small French speaking community until the 1930s, although this dialect is damn near extinct now.
Donna Zuckerberg has some really odd views:
https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/808777267014815744Replies: @SFG, @Jefferson, @syonredux
Wha? Remove the loaded terms and she’s stating there are lots of manospherians who aren’t racialists, even if the vice versa is rare. Which is true–TRP subreddit rarely comments on race, for example. She’s right on this one.
I think so! there are plenty of misogynists who are not white supremacists, even if the vice versa is rare
Here is what I think she means: while being a misogynist does not necessarily mean you are a 'white supremacist' (because there are "plenty" of misogynists who are not 'white supremacists'), being a 'white supremacist' practically guarantees that you are a misogynist, since 'white supremacists' who aren't misogynists are "rare".
I do not see how any other interpretation makes sense.
Now, her robotish use of the loaded term 'white supremacist' is enough reason to object to what she wrote.
But in addition I ask: what the hell does 'white supremacism', ie White Nationalism, or the alt-right (what she is really referring to), have to do with misogyny?
So according to her, not only are people who sympathize with the alt-right racists, they are also misogynists.
That is idiotic -- it appears her entire intellectual life is on SJW autopilot.Replies: @Jefferson, @SFG
In my opinion, the best states for whites will always be the states that have the least amount of minorities. NH, ME, VT for examples.Replies: @Steve Sailer
My impression walking around downtown Boston at night in 1986 after a fireworks show sponsored by a rock radio station was that the few blacks looked scared of the many whites. The body language was the opposite of what I had seen a few weeks before in downtown Chicago after the Fourth of July fireworks.
Blacks in the Dakotas tend to have high rates of intermarriage with whites. My guess is that they tend to be in the Air Force.
Donna Zuckerberg has some really odd views:
https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/808777267014815744Replies: @SFG, @Jefferson, @syonredux
“misogyny is a foundational part of white supremacy, as I understand it. So is dividing them this way really useful?”
Misogyny is also a foundation of Black and Muslim culture. In fact those cultures have misogyny on steroids.
You would pretty much eliminate all gang rapes on the planet if all Black men and Muslim men ceased to exist.
Although I don't think this would help answer the question of which states do blacks tend to over-perform in, it could lead to interesting insights. Generally speaking, I think blacks who are mostly descended from pre-Civil War blacks are more affluent and educated than the ones descended from Great Migration blacks. I'm just not sure how distinctive of a community these pre-Civil War blacks are, and also which state has the most of them.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @International Jew
Massachusetts had some. Upstate New York had some free men of color, like in the movie “12 Years a Slave.”
A lot of freed slaves who moved north were children of plantation masters who gave them some money to head north and get established.
Don’t f*** with the Irish
Or the Italians in North Boston.
That same thought had crossed my mind. And in agreement with a later statement by @Jefferson.
There is zero evidence that Minnesota is trending purple. No Democrat will ever lose Minnesota in a presidential election again.Replies: @Grumpy, @AnotherDad, @Buck Turgidson, @Anon
Well, one can hope. Trump lost to Hillary in Minnesota by only 1.5 percent.
What exactly do you think she means here:
I think so! there are plenty of misogynists who are not white supremacists, even if the vice versa is rare
Here is what I think she means: while being a misogynist does not necessarily mean you are a ‘white supremacist’ (because there are “plenty” of misogynists who are not ‘white supremacists’), being a ‘white supremacist’ practically guarantees that you are a misogynist, since ‘white supremacists’ who aren’t misogynists are “rare”.
I do not see how any other interpretation makes sense.
Now, her robotish use of the loaded term ‘white supremacist’ is enough reason to object to what she wrote.
But in addition I ask: what the hell does ‘white supremacism’, ie White Nationalism, or the alt-right (what she is really referring to), have to do with misogyny?
So according to her, not only are people who sympathize with the alt-right racists, they are also misogynists.
That is idiotic — it appears her entire intellectual life is on SJW autopilot.
Being a Black man or a Muslim man practically guarantees that you are a misogynist.
What percentage of the Black male and Muslim male population on the planet self identify themselves as feminists/feminist allies?
Men who self identify themselves as feminists/feminist allies are overwhelmingly White liberal beta males.
So most white nationalists believe in traditional gender roles, but most people who believe in traditional gender roles are not white nationalists. I'd agree with that.
Most are pretty friendly until you give them a reason not to be. It's best to mind your manners if you find yourself in one of those states.
I will say that there are areas in Oklahoma City and Tulsa where you will find a fair number of yuppies and hipsters. I generally try to avoid those areas.Replies: @Jefferson, @JohnnyWalker123
Would you recommend living in Oklahoma City or the city suburbs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._E._B._Du_Bois
“My impression walking around downtown Boston at night in 1986 after a fireworks show sponsored by a rock radio station was that the few blacks looked scared of the many whites.”
Back in the days the Blacks in Boston were scared of getting whacked by Whitey Bulger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Schuyler
Misogyny is also a foundation of Black and Muslim culture. In fact those cultures have misogyny on steroids.
You would pretty much eliminate all gang rapes on the planet if all Black men and Muslim men ceased to exist.Replies: @eah
also
Where does this “also” fit it? – do you actually think/agree that ‘misogyny is a foundational part of white supremacy’? — if so, why do you think that?
And, as noted above, ‘white supremacy’ is just a cheap smear they use against anyone who sympathizes with the ‘alt-right’, including (and probably especially) people who identify explicitly as white nationalists.
Where does this “also” fit it? – do you actually think/agree that ‘misogyny is a foundational part of white supremacy’? — if so, why do you think that?"
Stormfronters all agree that women shouldn't have the legal right to work or vote. That is why most White Nationalists on Stormfront have positive views of Islam.Replies: @eah
“Don’t f*** with the Irish”
Or the Italians in North Boston.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_da_Costa_Greene
But there’s no rosey future for Massachusetts and the average middle class resident has to be well off to keep afloat.
After four generations of MA residence, 100% of both side of my close and extended family moved out of MA for NH and FL over the past 25 years. Same w/ most of my childhood friends and high school classmates.
“Blacks in the Dakotas tend to have high rates of intermarriage with whites. My guess is that they tend to be in the Air Force.”
If there is that much racial miscegenation than in the future the average “Black” person in the Dakotas is going to look like Sade Adu and not Serena Williams.
Donna Zuckerberg has some really odd views:
https://twitter.com/donnazuck/status/808777267014815744Replies: @SFG, @Jefferson, @syonredux
As defined by SJWs, misogyny has become so broad a concept that it is virtually meaningless.
“also
Where does this “also” fit it? – do you actually think/agree that ‘misogyny is a foundational part of white supremacy’? — if so, why do you think that?”
Stormfronters all agree that women shouldn’t have the legal right to work or vote. That is why most White Nationalists on Stormfront have positive views of Islam.
Worst for blacks:
Michigan and Illinois. Illinois mostly because of East St. Louis (along with Chicago.) We got lost in ESL back when I was a kid in the early 70’s…years before the similar scene occurred in the Vacation movie.
Best for whites:
South Dakota. No state income tax, so fewer minority freeloaders outside of Indians from the reservation.
Stating the obvious these fields are dominated by whites.Replies: @jeppo, @Hapalong Cassidy
I’d say Saskatchewan is slowly over taking Alberta.
I don’t disagree, but I think that historically Alberta has had the highest performing white population on average, with Saskatchewan a close second. Partly I base this on the labo(u)r participation rate (LPR), which is highest in the Prairie provinces (#1 Alberta @ 73%, #2 Saskatchewan @ 70.1%), and lowest in the Atlantic provinces (#10 Newfoundland @ 61.1%).
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor07a-eng.htm
I think the LPR is a better economic indicator of a society’s social health and sense of purpose than merely measuring incomes per capita, which can be pushed deceptively high by a large resident elite population of multi-millionaires and billionaires, or cancelled out completely by higher costs and taxes.
The LPR measures a society’s work ethic and willingness to try to earn an honest income and pay taxes on it, i.e. to play by the rules within the system. In places with a low LPR, like Atlantic Canada or the Appalachian-Ozarks belt, a higher percentage of people are permanently on welfare or disability, or are working off the books, or engaging in illegal activity, or living entirely off the incomes of others.
It mirrors a society’s average human capital, and trickles down to a multitude of quality of life indicators. This is how the Germanic Lutheran states rank in LPR:
1. North Dakota 71.6%
2. Nebraska 70.8%
3. Iowa 70.4%
4. Minnesota 70%
5. South Dakota 69.5%
8. Wisconsin 68.5%
Six of the top eight is pretty impressive for this region (numbers 6 and 7 are DC and New Hampshire). Here’s how the Appalachian-Ozark states rank:
38. Oklahoma 60.6%
44. Tennessee 58.4%
47. Kentucky 57.9%
48. Arkansas 57.6%
51. West Virginia 52.8%
https://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed/Express-Releases-State-by-State-Analysis-of-Labor-Force-Participation-Rates.aspx?&referrer=http://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed-News-List.aspx?PageNumber=3
Numbers 49 and 50 are Alabama and Mississippi, whose large black populations may help drive down the LPR. But the Appalachian-Ozark states don’t really have that excuse. Energy-rich states like Oklahoma and North Dakota (or provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan) have a slightly higher LPR than might be expected, but otherwise it closely matches the “human capital of the median white person” rankings.
Among whites, in both Canada and the US it’s the most Germanic regions of each country (Prairies, Upper Midwest) that have the highest LPR/quality of life, while the most Celtic regions (Atlantic provinces, Appalachian-Ozarks belt) have the lowest. Make of that what you will.
I should mention, however, that while most farmers in my (agrarian) state work incredibly hard, they are very very willing to take part in government farm subsidies programs. Because of this (or at least partly because of it) 37% of my so called "red" state voted for Obama in the 2012 election, and it wasn't an urban thing. Despite having a much larger minority population, our biggest city (and the county that it resides in) voted more Republican than most rural counties.
Yes, the minorities in our biggest city voted for Obama, but less prosperous farmers in rural areas and many in the ag industry also voted for him. In significant numbers.
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV? On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.The PR influx the past decade may have changed this.I'd say California and Washington. More NE Asian and less Vietnamese than Texas. If you'd consider states with tiny Asian populations, the one Asian-American I know of from Iowa is an impressive guy.What percentage of Maine blacks are Somalis?Replies: @psmith, @anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @prosa123, @George
“On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.”
I would imagine that Las Vegas gets a fair amount of in-migration of people who are at loose ends and looking for a new start.
There is zero evidence that Minnesota is trending purple. No Democrat will ever lose Minnesota in a presidential election again.Replies: @Grumpy, @AnotherDad, @Buck Turgidson, @Anon
I’d say the evidence is that Minnesota has been an uber reliable Democratic state–one of the ten Dukakis won, the only one of course that Mondale won, the last Republican victory in the 1972 Nixon landslide. Yet, Trump lost to Hillary in Minnesota by 45,000 votes out of 3 million cast. He actually ran closer in Minnesota than nationally–lost by 1.5% in Minnesota, versus 2% nationally. (Trump’s MN % wasn’t better than nationally because of the big 3rd party vote, but of course that’s even more true of Hillary.)
This is the first time that’s happened–a more Republican margin than nationally–in Minnesota since … i don’t know when. The Democrat candidates margin has been better than national in every election i believe since i’ve been alive, but was not this time.
I’d guess that basically that’s because more and more “Minnesota nice” white folks are … waking up. In particular the “blue north” up around the lake has been getting less blue, and the state–outside the Twin Cities–looking more and more like the Dakotas. Of course whether that happens fast enough–“good whites” are pretty effing stupid–to overcome the “vibrant” diversification hard to say. But in the unlikely event Trump is able to do a good job–and stave off both recessionary and inflationary–trends maybe even in 2016.
But Jefferson, “ever … again” is a long time.
Minnesota was uber reliable for the Dems in 2016 and it will continue to be in 2020.
"I’d guess that basically that’s because more and more “Minnesota nice” white folks are … waking up."
Not enough Minnesota nice White people will wake up by 2020. The odds of Donald Trump winning Minnesota in 2020 are about the same as him winning Illinois, which is no chance in hell.
Swedes are not natural Conservatives and Minnesota Whites are disproportionately Swedish. Swedes are Social Justice Warriors.Replies: @Grumpy
They've written several articles about the Minnesota statehouse flipping R for the first time in forever. Mark Dayton's been like the Obama of Minnesota.
a) traditionally doesn’t have a lot of Asians
b) has only a small number recent Asian arrivals working in tech\professions
c) doesn’t have Hmong."
You are 100 percent wrong. It's California by a huge landslide. AnotherDad I guarantee you can not afford to live in a single Asian suburb in California because they are all upper middle class.Replies: @biz, @Lot
I beg to differ. A while ago there was some serious Hmong vs. Filipino vs. Cambodian* gang trouble in Fresno and surrounding areas. I’ll bet any of us could afford those towns.
* vs. Armenian vs. Northern Mexican vs. Southern Mexican, but those are irrelevant for the purposes of considering downscale Asians.
Fresno is nowhere near majority Asian, it is majority Hispanic. Go look up the price of an average home in the heavily Asian suburbs of Silicon Valley and The San Gabriel Valley. I 100 percent guarantee you can not afford to purchase a home in these areas. Also look up average rent in these areas, you can't afford it either.
I think so! there are plenty of misogynists who are not white supremacists, even if the vice versa is rare
Here is what I think she means: while being a misogynist does not necessarily mean you are a 'white supremacist' (because there are "plenty" of misogynists who are not 'white supremacists'), being a 'white supremacist' practically guarantees that you are a misogynist, since 'white supremacists' who aren't misogynists are "rare".
I do not see how any other interpretation makes sense.
Now, her robotish use of the loaded term 'white supremacist' is enough reason to object to what she wrote.
But in addition I ask: what the hell does 'white supremacism', ie White Nationalism, or the alt-right (what she is really referring to), have to do with misogyny?
So according to her, not only are people who sympathize with the alt-right racists, they are also misogynists.
That is idiotic -- it appears her entire intellectual life is on SJW autopilot.Replies: @Jefferson, @SFG
“being a ‘white supremacist’ practically guarantees that you are a misogynist,”
Being a Black man or a Muslim man practically guarantees that you are a misogynist.
What percentage of the Black male and Muslim male population on the planet self identify themselves as feminists/feminist allies?
Men who self identify themselves as feminists/feminist allies are overwhelmingly White liberal beta males.
There is zero evidence that Minnesota is trending purple. No Democrat will ever lose Minnesota in a presidential election again.Replies: @Grumpy, @AnotherDad, @Buck Turgidson, @Anon
This lends credence to my largely unknown efforts to change the slogan to “Minnesota Weird.”
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310941-podesta-refuses-to-say-election-was-fair-and-free
Children with nukes, that’s liberals. Well, for another month, anyway.
“See, the Russians
leaked the truth about cankles and the democratsintervened in our election, which provided a brief respite from Big Media’s six month scorched-Earth, non-stop intervention on behalf of Hillary, so obviously our ability to freely and fairly rig the election for her was impaired. How could that be free and fair?”I think so! there are plenty of misogynists who are not white supremacists, even if the vice versa is rare
Here is what I think she means: while being a misogynist does not necessarily mean you are a 'white supremacist' (because there are "plenty" of misogynists who are not 'white supremacists'), being a 'white supremacist' practically guarantees that you are a misogynist, since 'white supremacists' who aren't misogynists are "rare".
I do not see how any other interpretation makes sense.
Now, her robotish use of the loaded term 'white supremacist' is enough reason to object to what she wrote.
But in addition I ask: what the hell does 'white supremacism', ie White Nationalism, or the alt-right (what she is really referring to), have to do with misogyny?
So according to her, not only are people who sympathize with the alt-right racists, they are also misogynists.
That is idiotic -- it appears her entire intellectual life is on SJW autopilot.Replies: @Jefferson, @SFG
Oh, OK. Feminists regard believing in traditional gender roles as misogyny. (The rationale is that the traditional female role is subordinate, hence…I know. Don’t spend too much time on it but they’ve gone and redefined the words.)
So most white nationalists believe in traditional gender roles, but most people who believe in traditional gender roles are not white nationalists. I’d agree with that.
This is the first time that's happened--a more Republican margin than nationally--in Minnesota since ... i don't know when. The Democrat candidates margin has been better than national in every election i believe since i've been alive, but was not this time.
I'd guess that basically that's because more and more "Minnesota nice" white folks are ... waking up. In particular the "blue north" up around the lake has been getting less blue, and the state--outside the Twin Cities--looking more and more like the Dakotas. Of course whether that happens fast enough--"good whites" are pretty effing stupid--to overcome the "vibrant" diversification hard to say. But in the unlikely event Trump is able to do a good job--and stave off both recessionary and inflationary--trends maybe even in 2016.
But Jefferson, "ever ... again" is a long time.Replies: @Jefferson, @Desiderius
“I’d say the evidence is that Minnesota has been an uber reliable Democratic state”
Minnesota was uber reliable for the Dems in 2016 and it will continue to be in 2020.
“I’d guess that basically that’s because more and more “Minnesota nice” white folks are … waking up.”
Not enough Minnesota nice White people will wake up by 2020. The odds of Donald Trump winning Minnesota in 2020 are about the same as him winning Illinois, which is no chance in hell.
Swedes are not natural Conservatives and Minnesota Whites are disproportionately Swedish. Swedes are Social Justice Warriors.
a) traditionally doesn’t have a lot of Asians
b) has only a small number recent Asian arrivals working in tech\professions
c) doesn’t have Hmong."
You are 100 percent wrong. It's California by a huge landslide. AnotherDad I guarantee you can not afford to live in a single Asian suburb in California because they are all upper middle class.Replies: @biz, @Lot
A “family size house” that is modern and 4 bedrooms would start around $900,000 in the NE Asian heavy suburbs of San Diego (north and east of La Jolla) about $500,000 in the SE Asian heavy areas SE of downtown.
Rich whites and Asians stay somewhat separated as the former prefer to renovate older houses on better and larger lots while the NE Asian prefer modern post-1990 developments. These are generalizations however, white families with 2+ kids often like the lower maintenance new construction with big interiors in places like Carmel Valley and 4S Ranch.
Although I don't think this would help answer the question of which states do blacks tend to over-perform in, it could lead to interesting insights. Generally speaking, I think blacks who are mostly descended from pre-Civil War blacks are more affluent and educated than the ones descended from Great Migration blacks. I'm just not sure how distinctive of a community these pre-Civil War blacks are, and also which state has the most of them.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @International Jew
Ontario.
Based on NAEP scores for 8th graders:
Best:
White – Massachusetts
Black – New Jersey (Hawaii is second)
Hispanic – New Jersey
Asian – New Jersey
Worst:
White – West Virginia
Black – Wisconsin
Hispanic – Alabama
Asian – Hawaii
Didn’t have New Jersey as so impressive for non-whites in my mental inventory. Hmm.
The area around Princeton, in particular, is downright utopian.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Off-topic
This article has just now resurfaced on Marginal Revolution. It, or the video within, was featured on iSteve a few months ago.
http://www.nature.com/news/where-to-put-the-next-billion-people-1.20669
Whereto put the next billion people, regardless of whether you have to cut down the rainforest to do so. Interestingly enough, poorly governed places get a pass. We wouldn’t want to have anyone thinking about bringing them back under colonial rule, now would we?
Best:
White - Massachusetts
Black - New Jersey (Hawaii is second)
Hispanic - New Jersey
Asian - New Jersey
Worst:
White - West Virginia
Black - Wisconsin
Hispanic - Alabama
Asian - Hawaii
Didn't have New Jersey as so impressive for non-whites in my mental inventory. Hmm.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Clifford Brown
Black celebrities like Jay-Z/Beyonce like New Jersey suburbs of New York City.
Where does this “also” fit it? – do you actually think/agree that ‘misogyny is a foundational part of white supremacy’? — if so, why do you think that?"
Stormfronters all agree that women shouldn't have the legal right to work or vote. That is why most White Nationalists on Stormfront have positive views of Islam.Replies: @eah
Stormfronters all agree
Have you done a personal survey and found unaminity? — or what? — and do you think “Stormfronters” — whatever you mean by that — form the core of the alt-right? — and define its intellectual foundations? — and do you really believe that thinking women maybe ought not to vote (‘Welcome Refugees’) is the same as misogyny?
Lastly, re women voting — in the recent Austrian election, women voted for the Green candidate 62 – 38, whereas men supported the rightwing candidate Hofer 56 – 44 — throughout Europe, the Greens have to be the absolute worst on the migration issue — so I can honestly see why some people on the alt-right may question allowing women to vote.
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/805476252287115267
Stormfronters say Jews are responsible for turning housewives into career women and for giving the women the legal right to vote. So when they say this is the work of the Jews, they definitely do not mean it as a compliment, they mean it is a bad thing that women work outside the home and have the legal right to vote.
http://cepa.stanford.edu/educational-opportunity-monitoring-project/achievement-gaps/race/
Looks like blacks to best in wyoming and mass while whites do best in DC by a mile. Mass is 2nd best for whites. Not sure about asians. For hispanics there is a lot of disparity between grade 4 and grade 8. No idea why. Missouri, Vermont and North Dakota look good for grade 8 but Maryland is best at grade 4.
Unlike the white vs black/hispanic achievement gap, I am sure no one is keeping tabs on the white vs asian gap by state, so someone would have to make the effort to pull that together.Replies: @res
Nice find! Have you seen the raw data behind the gaps graphic anywhere? I’ve had trouble finding it. That graphic has data from 1990-2013 for both grades 4 and 8.
Montana did really well on 2011 8th grade scores with a tiny gap. The data looks weird though in that the overall average is closer to the black score than the white score. Any idea what is going on? Could Hispanics be pulling the average down more than blacks?
Worth mentioning that the number of whites in DC was tiny. I wonder how many were in exclusive private schools.
I downloaded some results and it looks like my Montana observation is caused by few blacks (too few to be reported in the explorer) and more poorly performing Hispanics.
Those reports have Asians as well, but I'm reluctant to spend any time doing analysis on this given how many categories are not reported due to not meeting their standards (i.e. too few scores might make it possible to identify individuals?).
Definitely the suburbs if you have kids. OKC schools are a disaster. Almost all negroes and Mexicans.
Minnesota was uber reliable for the Dems in 2016 and it will continue to be in 2020.
"I’d guess that basically that’s because more and more “Minnesota nice” white folks are … waking up."
Not enough Minnesota nice White people will wake up by 2020. The odds of Donald Trump winning Minnesota in 2020 are about the same as him winning Illinois, which is no chance in hell.
Swedes are not natural Conservatives and Minnesota Whites are disproportionately Swedish. Swedes are Social Justice Warriors.Replies: @Grumpy
Actually, Trump won the most Swedish parts of Minnesota (Isanti, Chisago, and Goodhue counties), as well as the most Norwegian parts of the state (the western counties).
If that were true why did he lose Minnesota? And Black voters is not a legitimate excuse because the Black percentage there is not that high. Even California has some cities that are Blacker than Minnesota.
* vs. Armenian vs. Northern Mexican vs. Southern Mexican, but those are irrelevant for the purposes of considering downscale Asians.Replies: @Jefferson
“I beg to differ. A while ago there was some serious Hmong vs. Filipino vs. Cambodian* gang trouble in Fresno and surrounding areas. I’ll bet any of us could afford those towns.”
Fresno is nowhere near majority Asian, it is majority Hispanic. Go look up the price of an average home in the heavily Asian suburbs of Silicon Valley and The San Gabriel Valley. I 100 percent guarantee you can not afford to purchase a home in these areas. Also look up average rent in these areas, you can’t afford it either.
Montana did really well on 2011 8th grade scores with a tiny gap. The data looks weird though in that the overall average is closer to the black score than the white score. Any idea what is going on? Could Hispanics be pulling the average down more than blacks?
Worth mentioning that the number of whites in DC was tiny. I wonder how many were in exclusive private schools.Replies: @res
I went and looked at the NAEP website again and it looks like the data is available via the Main NAEP Data Explorer at http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/naepdata/
I downloaded some results and it looks like my Montana observation is caused by few blacks (too few to be reported in the explorer) and more poorly performing Hispanics.
Those reports have Asians as well, but I’m reluctant to spend any time doing analysis on this given how many categories are not reported due to not meeting their standards (i.e. too few scores might make it possible to identify individuals?).
There is zero evidence that Minnesota is trending purple. No Democrat will ever lose Minnesota in a presidential election again.Replies: @Grumpy, @AnotherDad, @Buck Turgidson, @Anon
Its pretty certain that Trump won the MN white vote, correct? Perhaps a distinctly less friendly attitude toward stabby somalis+ MN whites becoming more comfortable with Trump+ some more realtalk Media can shift MN enough for 2020. We’ll need it. I think some of the white Dem vote was still propped up by the dying mediosaurus. Mn can be in play, especially if we get some more people in the administration who are willing to play rough with the immigrants.
Syonredux:
That same thought had crossed my mind. And in agreement with a later statement by .
“Actually, Trump won the most Swedish parts of Minnesota (Isanti, Chisago, and Goodhue counties), as well as the most Norwegian parts of the state (the western counties).”
If that were true why did he lose Minnesota? And Black voters is not a legitimate excuse because the Black percentage there is not that high. Even California has some cities that are Blacker than Minnesota.
For the bottom, do we know how Mississippi whites are doing relative to WV? On some measures of social dysfunction, Nevada is the worst.The PR influx the past decade may have changed this.I'd say California and Washington. More NE Asian and less Vietnamese than Texas. If you'd consider states with tiny Asian populations, the one Asian-American I know of from Iowa is an impressive guy.What percentage of Maine blacks are Somalis?Replies: @psmith, @anonymous, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad, @prosa123, @George
I will take a shot at this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine#Race.2C_ancestry.2C_and_language
Black 1990 0.4% 2000 0.5% 2010 1.2%
Blacks jump from 0.4% to 1.2% so I would guess ‘ante bellum blacks’ are still about 0.4% of the population but the increase of 0.8% are Somali and other immigrant blacks. So my guess is 2/3 of blacks in Maine are Somali.
You can repeat this for Minnesota where America’s #1 Somali was elected to the state assembly defeating long time representative Phylis Kahn. Maybe Somalis should be in the MENA not the African American category, consider the Red sea just a wide river separating Somalia and Saudi Arabia and you are there.
The bad thing about adding Somalis to the MENA category for U.S census purposes is that when they behave badly they are going to inflate the White crime rate.
Can you imagine a Somali murdering an African American being statistically categorized by the FBI as a White on Black homicide or a Somali murdering a Swedish American being statistically categorized by the FBI as a White on White homicide.
“Have you done a personal survey and found unaminity? — or what?”
Stormfronters say Jews are responsible for turning housewives into career women and for giving the women the legal right to vote. So when they say this is the work of the Jews, they definitely do not mean it as a compliment, they mean it is a bad thing that women work outside the home and have the legal right to vote.
My Comment #130 is incomplete. The last sentence should read: “And in areement with a later statement by .”
I'm not sure if this is the correct way to phrase the question. When you have written about average IQ by state (and, as one example, West Virginia is at the bottom for whites), you really aren't writing about 'which state is worst for each race?' Instead, you are writing, with the correct phrase,
'In which state is each race worst?'
This puts the responsibility for the question on the actual culpable party: the people themselves.
(In other words, West Virginia isn't the worst for whites-the West Virginia government doesn't treat whites worse than all others. More accurately, the whites in West Virginia are the worst of whites in all states).
Note that your backward characterization of the situation is very common-so much so, it is insidious. For example: schools.
Our culture often talks about which school (individual school, state schools, private/charter/public school) is 'worst-implying 'worst for the students.' But language matters, and I think anyone who is honest knows that the real characterization of the situation is 'which school has the worst students'. Private school parents aren't buying a school: they are buying classmates.
And so on.
joeyjoejoeReplies: @stillCARealist
“Private school parents aren’t buying a school: they are buying classmates.”
Private school parents think they’re buying status, discipline, order, and academics. They only secondarily realize that means they’re getting stronger peers for their kids. BTW, do you really think that’s the most important characteristic for a good school?
As for Catholic and Christian schools (their nomenclature, not mine) I observe that most of them are buying tribalism. Which is perfectly okay.
Ohio seems to have fairly Republican blacks (relatively speaking).
Notorious boston gangster john martorano was nicknamed sickle cell for his handling of blacks.
But my impression is Iowa's white's are declining in quality. The problem is brain drain.
Family example: Of my mom's cohort, probably the two sharpest--my mom and one of her brothers--moved away. Of my born-in-Iowa cousins (boomer\gen-X, certainly the smartest--a lawyer, now in DC--and all the college educated but one, moved away. (Though one cycled back to build the nicest house in her\hubby's home town, so they can be near family in retirement, her three college educated daughters are away--NYC and Milwaukee.) And yes, there's drain among the few non-college cousins too, but it's less severe. If you look at my highest IQ cousins and their children they have preferentially moved out toward the coasts.
If you look at what's happened to the other early 20th century Iowa farm families i think you'd see the same general pattern: Best and brightest tended to leave for post-war opportunities outside Iowa.
And while Iowa farm labor is highly mechanized, and it's well behind other areas, the Hispanic influx is definitely going on. Iowa is definitely "diversifying" if more slowly than other places. It's white population, while still very high relative to the nation is now a touch < 90%.
Note, i'm not saying Iowa's not a great place for whites--it is. Iowa is clean, comfortably, pretty and distinctly still very "white" in feel and outlook. Great place to raise a family. Perhaps as other places "diversify", and whites look for sanctuary to live as whites there will be a white inflow?
But it's white human capital is definition not what it was in say 1920 or even 1960. It's been subject to pretty severe brain drain out to the coastal IQ-shredders.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Old Palo Altan, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Boomstick
As someone who grew up in Iowa, got an MS in engineering and an MBA, and then left the state due to a lack of high paying opportunities with those credentials, I agree with you. Having said that, Des Moines is improving to where eventually it might be a place where highly educated whites could thrive but not right now and nowhere else in the state comes close. Maybe Iowa City and Cedar Rapids one of these days.
I once saw a proposal put forth where the state would cover a student’s college tuition if they would stay in the state for five years after graduating. I think that might go a long way in stopping some of the brain drain. Maybe since Iowa is one of the Midwest and Rust Belt states that gave Trump his victory, maybe he could kick some government cash over their way to where there could be interesting opportunities in these states to prevent the brain drain.
I've got a hot-shot Harvard MBA friend who constantly mocks St Louis for its lack of growth and "new blood".
I always tell him that he is pointing out exactly why those who live there love it so much.Replies: @ABN, @Lot
I just watched Memoria, set in Palo Alto from maybe 10-20 years ago and including its high school. It did not make it seem very nice, or at least not the ultra elite suburb it is now.
Did you have any opinions on it?
I always revisit, if only for an afternoon, when I am in California, but nobody I know still lives there, although the last of them died as recently as 2011.
My best friend there, or at least the one with the deepest roots, was the grandson of a long-time mayor. He himself lived and died there, perfectly content. This was the Palo Alto of Stanford professors and mostly junior executives commuting daily to San Francisco, then a city known much more for its stuffy conservatism than any pretence to radicalism of any sort.
Does the film imply that the high school is "Paly High"? This public school was not for the better class Palo Altans, all of whom went to private schools, either in Palo Alto itself (Harper, now gone elsewhere) or further afield, including out-of-state and even on the east coast.
So that (my) Palo Alto has remained largely unchanged (my constant refrain as some of you know), and in so doing becoming more and more a remarkable and cheering anomaly in a state otherwise shockingly altered from those halcyon years.
If the film depicts a Palo Alto which is "not very nice" then I can only say that it depicts a Palo Alto other than the one I knew.
Ohio has some farm-owning blacks. I was reading up on some rich black jock who had bought a farm with horses with his big new contract, and found out he grew up on a farm with horses.
Stating the obvious these fields are dominated by whites.Replies: @jeppo, @Hapalong Cassidy
What ended up being easily the trashiest girl I ever dated was from Saskatchewan. Regina, to be specific, which to hear her talk about it was the armpit of Canada. Sure enough, I did see a statistic where Regina had the highest crime rate in Canada for any city its size or larger, although that may now be outdated. To be fair though, it’s not just trashy whites that make it that way. She did mention Regina having a lot of problems with “First Nation” types.
My guess was Massachusetts as well. Lots of smart people, flinty New Englanders and even the “townie” Whites so despised by transplants seem to do OK, all things considered.
Pella was principally bankrolled by a relation of mine from the Netherlands (as its founders all were). His family back in Holland was rich and influential, both in Holland and the the Dutch East Indies. After a number of year in Iowa he wrote back to his brother in Amersfoort to confide that his greatest worry was that his descendants would be proletarianised by life in a land so bereft of education and culture.
He was right to this extent: those who stayed in Iowa drifted ever downwards on the social scale, while those who went West stayed socially afloat.Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
This is fascinating — I grew up in Orange City, Pella’s offspring/sister city, but I didn’t know about this.
I think your ancestor’s fears were largely realized, but the Dutch-American Iowa enclaves do retain an air of being perhaps just a bit more civilized than their neighbors. I noticed this when I was a child. My father’s from Sioux Center, which is just as Dutch as Orange City, and which lies only about eight miles away as the crow flies. But Orange City has its annual Tulip Festival (just like Pella) at which its mastery of high Dutch tradition is literally paraded around the town. Sioux Center has no such exhibition, so I would overhear Sioux Center people who liked to make disparaging remarks about how uppity Orange City people are, what with their high-and-mighty ‘Turnip Festival’. You’d think they were Romans moaning about how those Greeks were so hoity-toity.
Human nature never fails to run true, ultimately!
If you are interested in Pella and this man, then google "A E Dudok Bousquet - Prairie Patrician" and you'll get a PDF file article about him and his life there.
Best:
White - Massachusetts
Black - New Jersey (Hawaii is second)
Hispanic - New Jersey
Asian - New Jersey
Worst:
White - West Virginia
Black - Wisconsin
Hispanic - Alabama
Asian - Hawaii
Didn't have New Jersey as so impressive for non-whites in my mental inventory. Hmm.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Clifford Brown
Excluding the hellholes of Newark, Camden and Atlantic City, New Jersey is basically a proxy for suburbia. New Jersey is suburban New York City and Philadelphia without the large urban centers. If you get out of Newark, Camden and the industrial wastelands, most of New Jersey, despite the stereotypes, is frankly, good old regular America.
The area around Princeton, in particular, is downright utopian.
The area around Princeton, in particular, is downright utopian.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Very comfortably Trump country without those hellholes, too.
1. It's a blue state (trending purple) with red-state tastes (hunting, etc.).
2. Despite high test scores, its state universities are mediocre; the flagship campus is in the news for embarrassing reasons involving athletes every few years.
3. Minnesotans tend to have a very high opinion of their own state and a very low opinion of states to their south (especially Texas, but even Iowa is looked down upon).
4. They pride themselves on "Minnesota Nice," but the term is best understood ironically. (Is anyone less friendly than Minnesotans? New Yorkers, maybe?)
5. They are surprisingly rough-around-the-edges. You will hear, for example, middle-class Minnesotans using very strong language in public situations where you don't expect it.
6. The state suffers from tremendous suburban sprawl; land is developed very inefficiently.
7. At the same time, the Twin Cities suffer from urban overcrowding; public amenities like Como Park in Saint Paul now feature airport-style electronic parking availability signs.
8. State demographics seem to be changing much faster than official statistics indicate. You can count hundreds of headscarves on a trip to the shopping mall.
9. Garrison Keillor represents Minnesota's confusion about its own insular culture: a weird combination of condescension and corniness; there is not much warmth there.
10. It was 20 below zero this morning.Replies: @ricpic, @Jefferson, @Corn, @Diversity Heretic
A second cousin of mine moved to Minnesota from Iowa and characterized Minnesotans along the lines in your post. She said that she longed to return to Iowa. And she didn’t even mention Somalians.
“If Donald J. Trump does not win the electoral vote tomorrow than it goes to The House Of Representatives which is majority Republican and there is a zero percent chance most Republicans in The House are going to vote for Crooked Hildabeast for president of The United States.”
Couldn’t they use it as an opportunity to vote for Kasich or someone other than Trump?
The only someone other than Trump is Crooked Hildabeast and House Republicans sure as hell are not voting for her. Have you forgotten that House Republicans wanted to lock Crooked Hildabeast up for her emails.
This is the first time that's happened--a more Republican margin than nationally--in Minnesota since ... i don't know when. The Democrat candidates margin has been better than national in every election i believe since i've been alive, but was not this time.
I'd guess that basically that's because more and more "Minnesota nice" white folks are ... waking up. In particular the "blue north" up around the lake has been getting less blue, and the state--outside the Twin Cities--looking more and more like the Dakotas. Of course whether that happens fast enough--"good whites" are pretty effing stupid--to overcome the "vibrant" diversification hard to say. But in the unlikely event Trump is able to do a good job--and stave off both recessionary and inflationary--trends maybe even in 2016.
But Jefferson, "ever ... again" is a long time.Replies: @Jefferson, @Desiderius
The Powerline guys are from Minnesota, in fact one just moved back there to head up a local conservative/Republican community organizing group.
They’ve written several articles about the Minnesota statehouse flipping R for the first time in forever. Mark Dayton’s been like the Obama of Minnesota.
I believe Miles Davis did too, although his dad made his money as a dentist.
But my impression is Iowa's white's are declining in quality. The problem is brain drain.
Family example: Of my mom's cohort, probably the two sharpest--my mom and one of her brothers--moved away. Of my born-in-Iowa cousins (boomer\gen-X, certainly the smartest--a lawyer, now in DC--and all the college educated but one, moved away. (Though one cycled back to build the nicest house in her\hubby's home town, so they can be near family in retirement, her three college educated daughters are away--NYC and Milwaukee.) And yes, there's drain among the few non-college cousins too, but it's less severe. If you look at my highest IQ cousins and their children they have preferentially moved out toward the coasts.
If you look at what's happened to the other early 20th century Iowa farm families i think you'd see the same general pattern: Best and brightest tended to leave for post-war opportunities outside Iowa.
And while Iowa farm labor is highly mechanized, and it's well behind other areas, the Hispanic influx is definitely going on. Iowa is definitely "diversifying" if more slowly than other places. It's white population, while still very high relative to the nation is now a touch < 90%.
Note, i'm not saying Iowa's not a great place for whites--it is. Iowa is clean, comfortably, pretty and distinctly still very "white" in feel and outlook. Great place to raise a family. Perhaps as other places "diversify", and whites look for sanctuary to live as whites there will be a white inflow?
But it's white human capital is definition not what it was in say 1920 or even 1960. It's been subject to pretty severe brain drain out to the coastal IQ-shredders.Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Old Palo Altan, @Random Dude on the Internet, @Boomstick
Some people think that a centuries-long brain drain has made Scotland dumber on average:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-lags-europe-in-iq-league-1-487587
Many Scots with something on the ball gave up the bad weather and sheep and moved to London or the Empire.
Samuel Johnson
Couldn't they use it as an opportunity to vote for Kasich or someone other than Trump?Replies: @Boomstick, @Jefferson
The House can only consider the top three vote-getters in the Electoral College when voting for President. In the very unlikely event of Trump failing to get an outright majority there would presumably be a few electors voting for Kasich but it’s possible someone else would slip into the third slot behind Trump and Hillary.
I don't disagree, but I think that historically Alberta has had the highest performing white population on average, with Saskatchewan a close second. Partly I base this on the labo(u)r participation rate (LPR), which is highest in the Prairie provinces (#1 Alberta @ 73%, #2 Saskatchewan @ 70.1%), and lowest in the Atlantic provinces (#10 Newfoundland @ 61.1%).
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor07a-eng.htm
I think the LPR is a better economic indicator of a society's social health and sense of purpose than merely measuring incomes per capita, which can be pushed deceptively high by a large resident elite population of multi-millionaires and billionaires, or cancelled out completely by higher costs and taxes.
The LPR measures a society's work ethic and willingness to try to earn an honest income and pay taxes on it, i.e. to play by the rules within the system. In places with a low LPR, like Atlantic Canada or the Appalachian-Ozarks belt, a higher percentage of people are permanently on welfare or disability, or are working off the books, or engaging in illegal activity, or living entirely off the incomes of others.
It mirrors a society's average human capital, and trickles down to a multitude of quality of life indicators. This is how the Germanic Lutheran states rank in LPR:
1. North Dakota 71.6%
2. Nebraska 70.8%
3. Iowa 70.4%
4. Minnesota 70%
5. South Dakota 69.5%
8. Wisconsin 68.5%
Six of the top eight is pretty impressive for this region (numbers 6 and 7 are DC and New Hampshire). Here's how the Appalachian-Ozark states rank:
38. Oklahoma 60.6%
44. Tennessee 58.4%
47. Kentucky 57.9%
48. Arkansas 57.6%
51. West Virginia 52.8%
https://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed/Express-Releases-State-by-State-Analysis-of-Labor-Force-Participation-Rates.aspx?&referrer=http://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed-News-List.aspx?PageNumber=3
Numbers 49 and 50 are Alabama and Mississippi, whose large black populations may help drive down the LPR. But the Appalachian-Ozark states don't really have that excuse. Energy-rich states like Oklahoma and North Dakota (or provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan) have a slightly higher LPR than might be expected, but otherwise it closely matches the "human capital of the median white person" rankings.
Among whites, in both Canada and the US it's the most Germanic regions of each country (Prairies, Upper Midwest) that have the highest LPR/quality of life, while the most Celtic regions (Atlantic provinces, Appalachian-Ozarks belt) have the lowest. Make of that what you will.Replies: @Aquinasfan, @J1234
Having also lived in Eastern Canada, I can attest to your HBD hypothesis ( if I’m understanding you correctly). Those Maritimers who are good, diligent workers simply do not stay in the east. It probably adds to the brain drain, or at least good work ethic drain.
Couldn't they use it as an opportunity to vote for Kasich or someone other than Trump?Replies: @Boomstick, @Jefferson
“Couldn’t they use it as an opportunity to vote for Kasich or someone other than Trump?”
The only someone other than Trump is Crooked Hildabeast and House Republicans sure as hell are not voting for her. Have you forgotten that House Republicans wanted to lock Crooked Hildabeast up for her emails.
Hey they don’t call Regina, “the city that rhymes with fun” for nothing! The outrageous violent crime rate was almost exclusively an aboriginal problem. Generations of the same families were incarcerated within the same jail. Sad.
“Maybe Somalis should be in the MENA not the African American category, consider the Red sea just a wide river separating Somalia and Saudi Arabia and you are there”
The bad thing about adding Somalis to the MENA category for U.S census purposes is that when they behave badly they are going to inflate the White crime rate.
Can you imagine a Somali murdering an African American being statistically categorized by the FBI as a White on Black homicide or a Somali murdering a Swedish American being statistically categorized by the FBI as a White on White homicide.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-lags-europe-in-iq-league-1-487587Many Scots with something on the ball gave up the bad weather and sheep and moved to London or the Empire.Replies: @syonredux
“The noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England!”
Samuel Johnson
The blacks here in Washington State have to be some of the best in the country. Maybe it’s because WA is so far removed from the epicenter of black America and black culture but few blacks here have a thuggish persona, most don’t even talk in Ebonics.
I lived in Nevada for many years and it probably has the worst Asians. Many of them are degenerate gamblers. An example is my ex girlfriend’s sister. She’s a Filipino who makes a good salary as a nurse. Yet her children go hungry sometimes because she spends most of her money and time gambling. At any of the off strip neighborhood casinos aimed at local problem gamblers you will see tons and tons of Asians compulsively gambling. Nevada, Las Vegas in particular, also has a melting pot of dysfunctional whites from all over the country. Total riff Raff. I would guess the worst whites outside Appalachia live in Nevada…and unlike jaded Nevadans at least the Appalachian folk are down to earth.
Here is where I get confused on comparisons:
The average cost of a home (per Google) in Massachusetts is $358K
In Minnesota, it is $198K
And I am guessing the homes in Massachusetts are smaller.
In exchange for higher home prices, MA (as well as next-door CT) offers the best schools in the USA, nearly the best in the world, much milder 4-season climate, mountains and ocean, and being a few hours drive away from major cities such as NY and Montreal. And the housing stock tends to be charming older homes rather than less-interesting sprawling architecture.
The average cost of a home (per Google) in Massachusetts is $358K
In Minnesota, it is $198K
And I am guessing the homes in Massachusetts are smaller.Replies: @AP
There is much more space in MN to spread out.
In exchange for higher home prices, MA (as well as next-door CT) offers the best schools in the USA, nearly the best in the world, much milder 4-season climate, mountains and ocean, and being a few hours drive away from major cities such as NY and Montreal. And the housing stock tends to be charming older homes rather than less-interesting sprawling architecture.
Yeah, Massachusetts probably should be #1 for whites.
It might be #1 for blacks too.
There may be selection effect going on – the Commonwealth has a very competitive economy, and housing is expensive. Lower IQ whites tend to leave Massachusetts, more ambitious whites from elsewhere tend to move there.
My impression is that Massachusetts has a pretty poor reputation among black Americans – at least Boston is considered segregated, racist and plain unfriendly.
Seems to me NH is #1 for whites – it is Massachusetts with lower taxes, fewer minorities and no Harvard.
Audie Cornish did a report on the success of the METCO integration program that since 1966 has allowed minority Boston residents to attend neighboring white school districts and provides bus transportation. The METCO students have higher achievement scores and graduation rates than their Boston public school peers.
What Cornish leaves out of her report is that the 35 participating districts only enroll 3300 students and not only is Cornish the child of Jamaican immigrants, the parents of the family she interviewed for the story are also black Caribbean immigrants. The mother signed her older son up for the program when he was two weeks old, and made sure he was dressed professionally when he was finally interviewed for the program at age 5. Yes, METCO interviews/screens the families.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/10/05/495504360/looking-back-on-50-years-of-busing-in-boston
The old upper-class in St Louis was French: Laclede, Chouteau, Pratte, Gratiot, Bogy, and so on.
After that the usual Anglo mix, then the Germans in a big way and Irish too.
But Hispanic? Enlighten me.
By the way, France was and remains aware of the Frenchness of St Louis. When the (now called "Old") cathedral was built in the early nineteenth century, the king of France himself, Louis XVIII, donated the painting of St Louis which hangs over the high altar there to this day.Replies: @Flip
The only prominent St. Louisan with a Spanish surname that I can think of was Mayor Cervantes, and I don’t know his family background other than he went to St. Louis University High School.
Private school parents think they're buying status, discipline, order, and academics. They only secondarily realize that means they're getting stronger peers for their kids. BTW, do you really think that's the most important characteristic for a good school?
As for Catholic and Christian schools (their nomenclature, not mine) I observe that most of them are buying tribalism. Which is perfectly okay.Replies: @Triumph104, @Hippopotamusdrome
“Buying classmates” isn’t the most important characteristic for a good school. It is the only characteristic. How else would you ensure status, discipline, order, and academics? It doesn’t happen randomly.
In 2006, recent NAEP scores of private and public schools were compared. Private schools on average scored higher than public. However, when variables such as gender, race, disability/English learners, income, number of books in home, and absenteeism were taken into consideration, private schools performed the same as public schools. In other words, if public schools were allowed to cherry-pick students in the same manner that private schools do, there would be no difference in outcome.
Grade 4 Reading: The average private school scored 14.7 points higher. After adjusting for variables, no difference. When Catholic and Lutheran schools were examined, they performed as the private schools overall. poi
Grade 4 Math: Private schools scored 7.8 points higher. After adjusting for variables, private schools did worse and scored -4.5 points compared to public schools. Catholic and Lutheran schools performed as privates overall.
Grade 8 Reading: Private schools scored 18.1 points higher. After adjusting for variables, privates scored 7.3 points higher. Catholic and Lutheran did the same, but Conservative Christian schools performed the same as public.
Grade 8 Math: Private schools performed 12.3 points higher. After adjusting for variables, privates performed the same as public. Catholic schools performed the same as privates overall. Lutheran schools initially scored 19.5 points higher, and 4.9 points higher after adjustments. Conservative Christian schools initially scored 5.1 points higher, and after adjustments scored 7.6 points lower than public schools.
https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2006461.asp
If you really wanted your kid to be challenged to the best of his ability, which route would you take?Replies: @Triumph104
Your entire response is actually looking at what is the best, and worst, people. Dysfunctional whites, best blacks, the worst Asians…these things are ultimately about individual behavioral traits among the human race.
But, if I were to hazard a guess to the question “which state is worst for each race?”, I would say being in a drunken state is the worst for each and every race, since one’s mental faculties are compromised.
It might be #1 for blacks too.
There may be selection effect going on - the Commonwealth has a very competitive economy, and housing is expensive. Lower IQ whites tend to leave Massachusetts, more ambitious whites from elsewhere tend to move there.
My impression is that Massachusetts has a pretty poor reputation among black Americans - at least Boston is considered segregated, racist and plain unfriendly.
Seems to me NH is #1 for whites - it is Massachusetts with lower taxes, fewer minorities and no Harvard.Replies: @Triumph104
Blacks do well in Massachusetts because a large percentage are immigrant stock and immigrant blacks outperform native blacks.
Audie Cornish did a report on the success of the METCO integration program that since 1966 has allowed minority Boston residents to attend neighboring white school districts and provides bus transportation. The METCO students have higher achievement scores and graduation rates than their Boston public school peers.
What Cornish leaves out of her report is that the 35 participating districts only enroll 3300 students and not only is Cornish the child of Jamaican immigrants, the parents of the family she interviewed for the story are also black Caribbean immigrants. The mother signed her older son up for the program when he was two weeks old, and made sure he was dressed professionally when he was finally interviewed for the program at age 5. Yes, METCO interviews/screens the families.
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/10/05/495504360/looking-back-on-50-years-of-busing-in-boston
I don't disagree, but I think that historically Alberta has had the highest performing white population on average, with Saskatchewan a close second. Partly I base this on the labo(u)r participation rate (LPR), which is highest in the Prairie provinces (#1 Alberta @ 73%, #2 Saskatchewan @ 70.1%), and lowest in the Atlantic provinces (#10 Newfoundland @ 61.1%).
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor07a-eng.htm
I think the LPR is a better economic indicator of a society's social health and sense of purpose than merely measuring incomes per capita, which can be pushed deceptively high by a large resident elite population of multi-millionaires and billionaires, or cancelled out completely by higher costs and taxes.
The LPR measures a society's work ethic and willingness to try to earn an honest income and pay taxes on it, i.e. to play by the rules within the system. In places with a low LPR, like Atlantic Canada or the Appalachian-Ozarks belt, a higher percentage of people are permanently on welfare or disability, or are working off the books, or engaging in illegal activity, or living entirely off the incomes of others.
It mirrors a society's average human capital, and trickles down to a multitude of quality of life indicators. This is how the Germanic Lutheran states rank in LPR:
1. North Dakota 71.6%
2. Nebraska 70.8%
3. Iowa 70.4%
4. Minnesota 70%
5. South Dakota 69.5%
8. Wisconsin 68.5%
Six of the top eight is pretty impressive for this region (numbers 6 and 7 are DC and New Hampshire). Here's how the Appalachian-Ozark states rank:
38. Oklahoma 60.6%
44. Tennessee 58.4%
47. Kentucky 57.9%
48. Arkansas 57.6%
51. West Virginia 52.8%
https://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed/Express-Releases-State-by-State-Analysis-of-Labor-Force-Participation-Rates.aspx?&referrer=http://www.expresspros.com/Newsroom/America-Employed-News-List.aspx?PageNumber=3
Numbers 49 and 50 are Alabama and Mississippi, whose large black populations may help drive down the LPR. But the Appalachian-Ozark states don't really have that excuse. Energy-rich states like Oklahoma and North Dakota (or provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan) have a slightly higher LPR than might be expected, but otherwise it closely matches the "human capital of the median white person" rankings.
Among whites, in both Canada and the US it's the most Germanic regions of each country (Prairies, Upper Midwest) that have the highest LPR/quality of life, while the most Celtic regions (Atlantic provinces, Appalachian-Ozarks belt) have the lowest. Make of that what you will.Replies: @Aquinasfan, @J1234
Interesting statistic. Thanks for posting. There is a work ethic that exists in the upper midwest. I live there, and while not an obsessively hard worker, I do have a very definite “never take welfare” attitude ingrained in me.
I should mention, however, that while most farmers in my (agrarian) state work incredibly hard, they are very very willing to take part in government farm subsidies programs. Because of this (or at least partly because of it) 37% of my so called “red” state voted for Obama in the 2012 election, and it wasn’t an urban thing. Despite having a much larger minority population, our biggest city (and the county that it resides in) voted more Republican than most rural counties.
Yes, the minorities in our biggest city voted for Obama, but less prosperous farmers in rural areas and many in the ag industry also voted for him. In significant numbers.
Thanks. I never saw this before. There should be a “Thank” button like we have for agree, disagree, etc.
I understand your point, but most parents would not put it that way. They’d say they want strict accountability and classroom discipline. I guess that would rule out the rowdy/uninterested bunch.
If you really wanted your kid to be challenged to the best of his ability, which route would you take?
However, Massachusetts has been continually importing--and shredding--IQ in abundance in the new order.
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Re Somalis. The blight is spreading.
I was connecting in DIA (Denver) last week, and noticed one Somali, then another, then another, then another. I thought, "I know i'm flying Frontier, not Delta or Sun Country ... this has to be Denver, not Minneapolis. We are going to hell even faster than i thought." Usually i get this unwelcome and depressing reminder of America's suicidal insanity connecting in Minneapolis not out on the high prairie.
I guess these Somalis really like airport work. Can't think of anyone i'd rather have inside an airport security perimeter.
OT--but there were also quite a few cadets in the terminal, exam week at the Air Force Academy. But 80% of them seemed to be female--saw about a dozen gals and only two guys. I know this was a skewed sample, but i'm guessing that political\bureaucratic imperatives are pushing the female numbers up. This doesn't do anything positive. There are plenty of young men motivated toward the idea of military service and defending their nation. More femininity and PC can hardly be motivating, but rather eats away at the idea and attractiveness of the military--until it becomes as appealing as any other government bureaucracy. These well-scrubbed gals seemed bright and attractive. I went over and chatted with one who sat nearby, she was pleasant, seemed bright--thought she'd done well on her exams and was upbeat. She and the others, would probably be terrific moms and ideally will do that and pass on their high-quality genes. Hard to see how being Air Force officers moves that desirable goal forward.
Hard to see a nation surviving that imports helots and discourages its best and brightest from having children.Replies: @Anon, @utu, @EdwardM
Are you sure they’re not Ethiopians? They seem to work in airports everywhere in great numbers.
Mark Twain, in “Life on the Mississippi,” was told by a fellow traveler that Iowa was the place that a man could most easily get ahead in life (and that Alabama had the nicest people). A state that attracted strivers would tend to get the best of America, wouldn’t it?
Brain drain has afflicted almost every state. Poor Tennessee, it began losing its best to Texas back in the 1830s. Its rural counties are truly afflicted today–the average IQ can’t be much different from Guatemala.
So what you’re saying is that the great Enlightenment enterprise of universal free and compulsory state-run education is a failure as their public schools do not perform any better than private schools and even religious schools?
Private school parents think they're buying status, discipline, order, and academics. They only secondarily realize that means they're getting stronger peers for their kids. BTW, do you really think that's the most important characteristic for a good school?
As for Catholic and Christian schools (their nomenclature, not mine) I observe that most of them are buying tribalism. Which is perfectly okay.Replies: @Triumph104, @Hippopotamusdrome
Yes.
If you really wanted your kid to be challenged to the best of his ability, which route would you take?Replies: @Triumph104
Private schools aren’t accountable to anyone, except the expensive elite high schools that have to publicly release a school profile in order to attract affluent families. The only parents that I’ve seen who want strict accountability and discipline are black parents. They go to mostly black charter schools.
White parents don’t want anywhere near the type of discipline that responsible black parents want. If tuition is around $6000 a year, parents of are paying for religious teaching or escaping a dangerous public school. When tuition heads towards $20,000 a year and above, parents are looking for a rigorous education, bragging rights, country club style athletics, admission to highly selective colleges, and networking.
Homeschooling is the best way to challenge a child to their highest ability. Otherwise, I would recommend that the child simply attend a very functional elementary school. When the child is in fourth or fifth grade, ask them what their interests are, both hobbies and future career, and investigate middle and high schools that cater to those interests. If the child wants to work in STEM, they should attend the most difficult high school possible, determined by SAT scores and AP pass rates. (AP results can be found on US News.)
“If we assume some roughly equally weighted combination of all of those, for Whites it is going to be hard to top Connecticut and Maryland.”
Hi, Maryland native here. No.
New York is the best state for whites to be born in, because New York has New York City, and being from New York City gives you a sizable leg up on everyone else. Problem is, you have to put up with everyone else in New York City.
If you’re already an adult, New York isn’t going to be that great for you. You’d be better off in West Virginia. But West Virginia is a nice place — probably the best place for whites to move to right now, if you don’t mind a commute. (It’s two hours from Martinsburg to Union Station on the MARC, and an hour and twenty minutes from Harpers Ferry — but it takes at least that long to drive to DC from, say, Laurel.)
Massachusetts has the same problem as New York. The western half is dysfunctional and the eastern half is Boston, which is worse than the worst part of Maryland that isn’t Baltimore. And Boston is even less of a city than DC — it’s overshadowed by its own suburbs.
Did you have any opinions on it?Replies: @Old Palo Altan
Note that I am an old Palo Altan. I last lived there in 1962, but kept up a close connection with the place until I left for Europe in 1979.
I always revisit, if only for an afternoon, when I am in California, but nobody I know still lives there, although the last of them died as recently as 2011.
My best friend there, or at least the one with the deepest roots, was the grandson of a long-time mayor. He himself lived and died there, perfectly content. This was the Palo Alto of Stanford professors and mostly junior executives commuting daily to San Francisco, then a city known much more for its stuffy conservatism than any pretence to radicalism of any sort.
Does the film imply that the high school is “Paly High”? This public school was not for the better class Palo Altans, all of whom went to private schools, either in Palo Alto itself (Harper, now gone elsewhere) or further afield, including out-of-state and even on the east coast.
So that (my) Palo Alto has remained largely unchanged (my constant refrain as some of you know), and in so doing becoming more and more a remarkable and cheering anomaly in a state otherwise shockingly altered from those halcyon years.
If the film depicts a Palo Alto which is “not very nice” then I can only say that it depicts a Palo Alto other than the one I knew.
Very amusing and all-too-telling.
If you are interested in Pella and this man, then google “A E Dudok Bousquet – Prairie Patrician” and you’ll get a PDF file article about him and his life there.