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It feels like February again in the New York Times Magazine, with Korean-American lady writers milking their Google searches for anti-Chinese incidents for all they are worth:

The Slur I Never Expected to Hear in 2020
As an Asian-American, I’ve been conditioned to a certain kind of unspoken racism. This pandemic has unmasked how vicious it really is.

By Cathy Park Hong
April 12, 2020

Early in February, I read unsupported speculations that a virus ravaging a distant city called Wuhan was due to a Chinese taste for a strange scaled mammal called the pangolin, which resembles an anteater but is cuddlier than its lumbering tube-snouted look-alike. Around that time, during a dinner party, I laughed when a friend quipped: “How do you eat a pangolin anyway? Do you dip its scales in butter like an artichoke?” When I tweeted that same joke the next day, a writer I knew responded, “It’s used for medicinal purposes.”

No, it’s not.

He was simply stating a fact, but I suddenly realized that I could be spreading stereotypes about Chinese people. I deleted the tweet with a reminder to self: Make fun of Asians only around other Asians.

… In the past, I had a habit of minimizing anti-Asian racism because it had been drilled into me early on that racism against Asians didn’t exist. Anytime that I raised concerns about a racial comment, I was told that it wasn’t racial. Anytime I brought up an anti-Asian incident, a white person interjected that it was a distraction from the more important issue (and there was always a more important issue). I’ve been conditioned to think my second-class citizenry was low on the scale of oppression and therefore not worth bringing up even though every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.

… If black and indigenous people were systematically enslaved, killed and dispossessed of property, the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation. …

“I’m afraid to leave my home not because of coronavirus,” my Asian friends say, half in jest, “but because I don’t want to be a victim of a hate crime.” It doesn’t matter if our families hail from Thailand, Burma or the Philippines. Racism is indiscriminate, carpet bombing groups that bear the slightest resemblance to one another. We don’t have coronavirus. We are coronavirus.

… I posted a picture of me wearing a mask on Instagram. “Wish me luck that I don’t get hate-crimed!” I wrote in the caption. My fears still felt performative, as if I didn’t have any right to them — as if I was overreacting — so I was compelled to make light of them.

But once outside, I was genuinely afraid, as if there were guards on the rooftops of South Brooklyn watching me through their sniper scopes. It is jarring to suddenly be so hypervisible. As an East Asian woman, I am more used to being overlooked and underestimated. …

I’ve told this story before.

I bet you have.

… Growing up, my distrust of white people manifested itself in a physical unease in which I held my tongue or “let them go first.” It was a survival instinct, to curl myself in, so that there was no surface area vulnerable to insult. …

When a coronavirus-related racist incident happened to me, the perpetrator wasn’t white. Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by. I wasn’t filled with hot rage or a hurt that cut me to the bone. I was just rattled and then sad.

To be Asian in America during the time of coronavirus is to feel very alone. You might think that everyone’s alone during the pandemic. But it’s a different form of isolation carved out by that insidious model-minority myth, with its implication that as long as you worked hard and didn’t ask for handouts, racial inequities could be overcome.

… The model-minority myth is a lie that silences the structural economic racism Asian-Americans have endured and the intergenerational traumas our families have experienced from years of Western colonialism, wars and invasions. I hated talking about the model-minority myth because it was like being stuck in a feedback loop. After refuting that myth, I was dragged back to refute it again. But when the pandemic struck, I realized how deeply entrenched that myth was in the psyches of not only whites but other people of color.

The coronavirus at least burned away any illusions that East Asians are almost white. Since the first cases were discovered in the U.S., I kept imagining the coronavirus as an irradiating purple light lancing through the cracks of our white-supremacist world. Some of us never noticed these cracks before, but now it is all that we can see. African-Americans and Latinos are dying in higher proportions than anyone else in New York City, perhaps because of their lack of access to health care and because many of them are essential workers and can’t shelter at home. But systemic racism keeps minorities separated. White supremacy ensures that once the pressure of persecution is lifted even a little from one group, that group will then fall upon the newly targeted group out of relief and out of a frustrated misplaced rage that can never touch, let alone topple, the real enemy. …

Cathy Park Hong’s book of essays, “Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning” was published in February 2020 by One World/Penguin Random House.

Seriously, even for the New York Times, the level of racist hatred in this essay is a little over the top.

 
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  1. ‘Jeopardy!’ contestant confuses Babe Ruth for Jackie Robinson in cringeworthy mixup

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/jeopardy-contestant-confuses-babe-ruth-for-jackie-robinson/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BvUZijEuNDQ
    , @ganderson
    According to Robert Creamer, Ruth was often chirped for supposedly being part black.
    , @Nachum
    Asian chick gets it wrong; black guy gets it right. Surprise, surprise.
  2. “Big Lie” keep on rolling. Evil = stupid. But you have to a degree from a stupid “University”. Or on the Chicomm payroll.

    • Replies: @Richard B

    a degree from a stupid “University”. Or on the Chicomm payroll.
     
    What's the difference?
  3. I suddenly realized that I could be spreading stereotypes about Chinese people.

    ZOMG! Back to the rice paddies for re-education you go!

    I kept imagining the coronavirus as an irradiating purple light lancing through the cracks of our white-supremacist world.

    AKA Planet Earth, amirite? And yet we black and brown bodies are irresistibly attracted to the very whitest nations, too, like moths to a flame! For reasons. Shut up.

    Cathy Park Hong’s book of essays, “Trivial Feelings: Asian American Whining” was published in February 2020

    FIFY

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Herp McDerp
    That "white-supremacist world" has more Han Chinese supremacists in it than there are actual white people.
  4. When a coronavirus-related racist incident happened to me, the perpetrator wasn’t white

    How could white people be so cruel? They use innocent Latinos as cheap labor to perform their racist acts for them

  5. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    So, a Hispanic man called her a “Chinese bitch” and it’s white people’s fault? Why doesn’t she have the courage to call a spade a spade? The most racist people these days are the non-whites. I’m Asian and even I am sick of all this whining. China unleashed this pandemic upon the world, if everyone is hating on the Chinese these days, it’s only understandable. It sucks that all other Asians are getting the blame, but I understand. Come November, I will be voting for Trump so we can work towards a total decoupling from that God forsaken country. America needs to cut China off and expel all current and former citizens of China, because other Asians are sick of those China people making the rest of us look bad, even before the virus.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    The Mexicans were pretty anti Chinese back in the day. It wasn’t all photogenic superstars like Marlon Brando:

    https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/dark-side-revolution-massacre-chinese-people-mexico
    , @Old and Grumpy
    Is it racist if it is true? She admits to being Chinese. The article speaks to her being a bitch. Plus she is a racist one at that.
    , @Ragno

    So, a Hispanic man called her a “Chinese bitch” and it’s white people’s fault? Why doesn’t she have the courage to call a spade a spade?
     
    Well now, that all depends. Does she want to shovel her own shit, on her own dime, on some faceless blog; or does she want to be published in the New York Times Magazine?
    , @SaneClownPosse
    She was jaywalking (without looking?) right into his path. She earned that epithet.
  6. The “real enemy” that needs to be”toppled” is white people.

    She has to go back.

    • Agree: Magic Dirt Resident
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Not sure about 'has to' if she's not lived anywhere else, but we'd have a better public culture if the standard response of people to this sort of thing was to tell said person not to let the door hit her tuchus on the way out. I'd be pleased if she boarded a plane and left, along with every person in the chain-of-command between her and the Ochs-Sulzberger scion currently running the paper, along with every member of the Ochs-Sulzberger clan implicated in placing the current heir in charge and keeping him there.

    We have Korean shirt-tail who has on a couple of occasions let loose with nonsense like this over the last several years (on Facebook). I'm fond of her in-laws and AFAIK neither her father nor her brother and his family subscribe to this. I do wish someone whose opinion she cares about would tell her to get a grip and STFU.
  7. Did the Chinese government fund that video in Italy telling people to hug a Chinese person to prove they aren’t racist?

    Anyway, you will find in life, you often have to choose between being racist and being alive.

  8. the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation…

    …and differed from China’s own immigration policy in that…?

    Her name suggests she’s Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn’t be “model minority”, but “comfort woman”.)

    I can’t imagine what she’s teaching her kids.

    A recent “tweet”:

    What gives me hope about Biden: he’s not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.

    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/

    But wait… seems I was wrong about her personal life:

    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.

    “Mores McWreath”! From his “statement”:

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio

    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:

    • Thanks: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Her name suggests she’s Korean and married Chinese.
     
    Park and Hong are both common Korean surnames.

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

    In any case, if the “white supremacism” is so bad here, she can always go to Korea (North or South) where there is no supremacism at all.

    Also, this sub-genre of iSteve (the woke East Asian girl writer on NYT) is catnip to the commenters here. I expect several hundred comments shortly.
    , @Lot
    “ I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends.

    ... convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time”



    Mores McWreath: Hey baby, wanna listen to some Psy and practice your English back at my place?

    Cathy Hong’s Sister: Absolutely not. However, as a white guy with yellow fever and poor hygiene, I know just the girl for you!

    http://www.refinedguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/PSY-Gangnam-Style.gif
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley

     

    What an awkward, tin-eared phrase -- maybe she should have gone to Berkeley; she obviously didn't learn to write well at Oberlin.
    , @Hebrew National

    I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends.
     
    I guess this is what $60,000/year buys you these days.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Reg, good research and she didn't mention how poor whites eat possum. Missed a back at you.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation…
     
    Wow. "Global segregation." It's almost like there is a different nation for each nationality. The horror!
    , @vinteuil

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.
     
    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who's that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?) is something new and special.

    Sad, sad, sad.

    It's kinda like some sophomore reading Descartes for the first time and being wowed by the idea that this could all be a dream.

    , @ben tillman

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation . . . .
     
    Putting walls around the place where you sleep and keep your stuff is essentially a small-scale example of segregation no different in any relevant respect from what you're complaining about. Asserting a right to exclude disfavored others from your lady parts is essentially the same thing as well.
    , @Anonymous
    There seems to be power, racist-working power in the blood of liberal-arts Korean chicks in media betrothed to ultrawhite soyboys not earning significantly higher than does the missus. This is a field of psychodramatic landmines you can't sweep starting from a second-tier regional university
    , @Anon
    Our liberal arts colleges are producing nothing but small minded grievance studies garbages like this professional whiner I mean writer. Oberlin is one of the most liberal colleges in the US. Heather Mac Donald wrote that perhaps coronavirus will kill off the diversity industrial complex in our colleges since many are now starving for cash, let's hope she's right:
    https://www.city-journal.org/higher-ed-diversity-bureaucracy

    There was another article last week by yet another professional POC whiner in the NYTimes, this one went to Yale and was basically using the article to promote her upcoming book, i.e. whining in a NYT column isn't enough, she had to write a whole book about her suffering. In her over eagerness to please her overlords, she pointed out that it is Jews who are behind the push for mass third world immigration to the US including the 1965 Immigration Act. I wonder how her overlords feel about being exposed, or perhaps they are so confident in their total control of America they no longer care about working in the shadows but are now taking credit.

    https://vdare.com/articles/why-exactly-did-we-allow-professional-poc-whiner-jia-lynn-yang-s-family-to-immigrate
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Wow, ten replies!

    Are marmot photos the cat videos of the Steve-o-sphere?
  9. Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters. This girl’s essay is no more impressive than similar ones by NAM women. Wesley Yang is less whiny, but he’s pretentious, draws overly broad conclusions, and leans on his thesaurus too much.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters.
     
    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

    Past data have shown that only at the higher end of the income level are Asians in America on par with whites of their peer income segment in verbal test scores.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters.
     
    Forget it Dave, it’s mongoloid town.

    Here’s a pic of Tom Tellific, Tom Brady’s evil twin from Irvine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WhmyJ1Ywqo
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    It is rather odd. Chinese literary heritage is 3,000-plus years old, but one struggles to find even glimmers of differentiation. Li Po and Su Tung-p'o are each brilliant in their way, but they sound very similar in tone and thematics despite writing centuries apart. No English reader would ever confuse Chaucer with John Donne, or Byron with Walt Whitman. Well, maybe the problem is reading Chinese poets in translation, but somehow I doubt it.

    A similar thing happens in storytelling and archetypes. In the West, Odysseus is the byword for resourcefulness, Agamemnon and Achilles for angry pride, Elektra and Medea for weird sexual jealousy, Hamlet for introspection that leads to paralysis, Lear for the old man raging at his impotence, Ahab for obsession, Tom Sawyer for the boyish trickster, the list is endless. One struggles to find a Chinese counterpart for, say, Dante and Virgil touring Hell, or the Ancient Mariner tormenting the Wedding Guest, or even mad King Sweeney hopping from tree to tree in Ireland.

    Much of Non-Occidental literatures seem to have a notable lack of self-questioning and self-examination; their inner life often strikes a Westerner as curiously narrow. Even something as impressive as Shen Yun has a weird fetish for the grandiose and the spectacle of mass precision over anything resembling soul; I wouldn't trade the Bolshoi Ballet for it. Heck, I might not even trade Alvin Ailey.
    , @Anon
    There are lots of conservative East Asians. The problem is, they don't write for a living, and even if they do, they don't get published. MSM only wants those who drink the Kool Aid. Same goes for blacks, Hispanics and whites. Only the libtards in each group get the time of day from msm, and when they are minorities, so much the better, as they are representing. Except they aren't. They aren't speaking for everyone who looks like them, they are only representing themselves. Just because we all look alike doesn't mean we all think alike. Only racists think we do, and most of those racists today are the liberals.
  10. @Mr McKenna

    ‘Jeopardy!’ contestant confuses Babe Ruth for Jackie Robinson in cringeworthy mixup

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/jeopardy-contestant-confuses-babe-ruth-for-jackie-robinson/
     

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/04/16/7132153346590684718/1024x576_MP4_7132153346590684718.mp4
    , @Mr McKenna
    https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/04/16/7132153346590684718/1024x576_MP4_7132153346590684718.mp4
  11. Anon[446] • Disclaimer says:

    This is weird. IME East Asian girls like White Men a lot IRL. Yet on web, they whine about White people. They seem to want to be around us, esp articulate, cultured, middle class Nordic types. Not complaining.

    Strangely, seems to be OK to make fun of Oriental Men, yet a taboo to criticize the much less civil / attractive / cultured / law-abiding black man!

    • Troll: Kyle
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    There are at least three 'tells' in your post, Mr Anon.
    , @Anon
    What they're doing is called deflection. These Asian women bad mouth whites in the hope keeping all the other women away from the available white guys so they themselves can snag a white man. It's a Darwinian tactic.

    Someone needs to publish pictures of all the Asian women complaining about white men who've actually married one. It's a long list.
  12. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    The Marxist Machinery seduces these people but it’s very easy to be seduced in the context of racial chaos that is modern America.

    Without strong character and high intelligence a person is likely to be exhausted by racially charged social interactions over time.

    Obviously the leftist machinery at work in media education law and politics turns up the intensity for everyone in daily life.

  13. There was nothing–absolutely nothing–wrong with the Chinese exclusion act.

    Just as there is nothing wrong with my having a lock on my front door and excluding non-family members from living there.

    The Chinese, of course, were not, are not, inviting Americans to come settle there. And wisely so! Why should they?

    Down through history, people do not invite foreign peoples “hey come on over and take some of our real estate”. In the rare cases it has happened, it’s because some confused or kleptocratic ruler had some notion that he’d benefit by allowing outsiders to settle (ex. Goths in the Roman Empire, Jews in Poland) and sold out the long term interests of his own people.

    ~~~

    Exclusion is a good thing. Anything of quality, anything worthwhile requires some sort of exclusion to keep it … exclusive! high quality, decent. Whether it’s your home or a college or a corporation or country club or a neighborhood or a nation. You need exclusion or precisely what is desirably about it is lost.

    And it is not about “hate” as the tedious minoritarian liars would have it. Exclusion is about love. About valuing what you have.

    The Americans who passed the “Chinese Exclusion Act” did not do it because they hated the Chinese. They did it because they loved themselves–American white men–and their culture, their nation, and did not want to see that changed or wrecked or supplanted by the Chinese influx.

    I’m not butthurt by the fact that the Chinese–or Japanese or Koreans or Vietnamese or Indians or Russians or Arabs or Israelis–aren’t letting me come plop my white ass down in their nation. That’s how it should be. They like what they have and it belongs to *them* not me.

    This idea that “exclusion” is bad, terrible, oppressive is Jewish, middle-man-minority, propaganda designed to justify their right to penetrate anywhere and everywhere they want to middle-man away. You must let me in! You must let me in! Bwaaa, bwaaa! And it is … politely … a crock of shit. The ideology of a rapist.

    No. People have an inherent right to their own stuff, which includes their own turf, their own nation. Which means hanging the “No Trespassing” sign on the door.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    They like what they have and it belongs to *them* not me.
     
    A Chinese would say, yes, you are correct. China belongs to the Chinese. But America belongs to the world.

    And that is how they actually see it.
  14. In the past, I had a habit of minimizing anti-Asian racism because it had been drilled into me early on that racism against Asians didn’t exist

    I wonder what her take on racism against White people is?

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  15. Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.

    So, why exactly are we to assume that the coronavirus pandemic is responsible for a deliveryman cursing her out when she nearly caused him to crash?

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    Systemic racism!
    , @Craig Nelsen

    Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.
     
    At the risk of spreading stereotypes about Chinese people, I'll bet she was trying to catch a bus.
    , @Anonymous

    “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.
     
    This is an obvious Asian humble-brag.

    Korean-American Cathy Hong is secretly flattered to have been mistaken for a Chinese.

    Koreans (especially those from the South of the peninsula) were for centuries regarded as uncouth ruffians by their Chinese neighbors. Educated Koreans themselves internalized much of the Chinese worldview, developing a distinct cultural inferiority complex as a result. Having to rely on borrowed Chinese culture in virtually all spheres of life did not help Koreans' self-confidence.

    More recently, a period as second-class citizens of the Japanese empire, followed by the traumatic Korean War followed by decades of poverty further dented Koreans' self-confidence.

    Just as seriously, Korean society has since time immemorial been riven by profound class differences (including the existence of outcast groups), and a hodge-podge of local loyalties.
  16. Anytime I brought up an anti-Asian incident, a white person interjected that it was a distraction from the more important issue (and there was always a more important issue). I’ve been conditioned to think my second-class citizenry was low on the scale of oppression and therefore not worth bringing up even though every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.

    “Diversity is out greatest strength.”

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US. But they are nonetheless champions of minoritarian whining as if they are blacks. Oh how they … suffer.

    The conclusion from this should be obvious: It does not work. Minoritarianism is a cancer.

    Anyone whose brain is not a turnip should hear “diversity is our greatest strength” and bust out laughing. Then when they realize the person is not joking, mock their abject stupidity. That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.
     
    It was conquered, that's all. By a virus, you might say.
    , @Twinkie

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US.
     
    Koreans are not.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT_19.05.23_AsianAmericans_MostUSAsiangroupshavehouseholdincomesfallbelow.png

    , @Fluesterwitz

    “diversity is our greatest strength”
     
    The always left unsaid part of the slogan is "Their". Thus completed, the phrase is pretty accurate, whoever you put into the they/we spots.
    , @Bugg
    You don't see the Clintons and their diversity uber alles ilk moving to East New York or Watts.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Agree, except the part about "this nation." We are no longer a nation. We are an empire with various peoples living in its territory. Ms. Hong is part of another tribe living in this empire with our tribe. Like all sane people, she's looking out for herself and her tribe. Good for her.

    Whites should quit crying about other tribes saying mean things about us, organize our own tribe and push back. The other tribes will never - never! - stop bullying us so long as we keep giving them our lunch money.
  17. The worst of all possible worlds: New York Times, South Brooklyn, Oberlin, etc, etc, ad infinitum!

  18. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    The everyday racialized experience is not so much being the target of hate more than the anticipation of it. Will I be bullied because I’m Asian? Will he reject me because I’m Asian? Will they ignore me because I’m Asian?

    “Will he reject me because I’m Asian?”

    There it is. The source of the hurt feelings: Sexual market value.

    If she is not rejected by the men she desires then she doesn’t write this article at least not until later in life when she hits the wall.

    Good example is Alyssa Milano who was very hot when younger and in high demand as an actress and had no interest in politics. Now that she’s older she’s still hot for her age but everything’s relative and relative to her former position in the sexual value market she might as well be a washed up trailer park hag. And the resentment finds an outlet in … politics.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Yup. I'm willing to bet this author is a plainer jane Asian chick--or ugly-- who got all jealous when she saw hot white guys not having yellow fever for her, despite her having vanilla fever for them. She probably saw all her attractive, feminine Asian friends land a blue eyed debil and got mad she could never get a Pacey or a Dawson or whatever white teen hearthrob she lusted over.

    Good example is Alyssa Milano who was very hot when younger and in high demand as an actress and had no interest in politics. Now that she’s older she’s still hot for her age but everything’s relative and relative to her former position in the sexual value market she might as well be a washed up trailer park hag. And the resentment finds an outlet in … politics.
     
    Nah, bad example. Milano was a child star who killed two of her kids via abortion when she was still young, hot, and hip (happened in the 90s when she was dating Scott Wolf). The girl is just mentally messed up as many child actors are, who are both abused on set and also sold into slavery by their parents. As the line goes, that woman's head is a bag full of cats, and has been since she was young. She's sick, but in a lifetime-of-abuse sort of way.
    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    You nailed it. You will often find that not only (as Steve points out) are entire articles written as essentially cathartic, self-congratulating or alternatively self-pitying, puff pieces-sometimes an entire article, post, etc, is written to insert one, brief, accidentally truthful sentence. You found her's.

    I did not read the whole thing, but was she also "literally shaking" at some point? If Ron Unz had a giant searchable database of all the crybaby, self-important blather written by these progs, libs and SJWs, you'd find "literally shaking" "exhale/ing" and "deep breaths" and "I just kept telling myself" all over the place. Followed not far behind from sudden memories of childhood slights, from unknown, composite characters (white racists) right outta central casting. They also usually throw in newly recalled memories of one's ethnic/"differently-racialed" parents singing songs or making cute statements (in their native language) that the author suddenly remembers being so central to their lives growing up.
  19. @Anonymous
    The everyday racialized experience is not so much being the target of hate more than the anticipation of it. Will I be bullied because I’m Asian? Will he reject me because I’m Asian? Will they ignore me because I’m Asian?

    "Will he reject me because I'm Asian?"

    There it is. The source of the hurt feelings: Sexual market value.

    If she is not rejected by the men she desires then she doesn't write this article at least not until later in life when she hits the wall.

    Good example is Alyssa Milano who was very hot when younger and in high demand as an actress and had no interest in politics. Now that she's older she's still hot for her age but everything's relative and relative to her former position in the sexual value market she might as well be a washed up trailer park hag. And the resentment finds an outlet in ... politics.

    Yup. I’m willing to bet this author is a plainer jane Asian chick–or ugly– who got all jealous when she saw hot white guys not having yellow fever for her, despite her having vanilla fever for them. She probably saw all her attractive, feminine Asian friends land a blue eyed debil and got mad she could never get a Pacey or a Dawson or whatever white teen hearthrob she lusted over.

    Good example is Alyssa Milano who was very hot when younger and in high demand as an actress and had no interest in politics. Now that she’s older she’s still hot for her age but everything’s relative and relative to her former position in the sexual value market she might as well be a washed up trailer park hag. And the resentment finds an outlet in … politics.

    Nah, bad example. Milano was a child star who killed two of her kids via abortion when she was still young, hot, and hip (happened in the 90s when she was dating Scott Wolf). The girl is just mentally messed up as many child actors are, who are both abused on set and also sold into slavery by their parents. As the line goes, that woman’s head is a bag full of cats, and has been since she was young. She’s sick, but in a lifetime-of-abuse sort of way.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    Yup. I’m willing to bet this author is a plainer jane Asian chick–or ugly– who got all jealous when she saw hot white guys not having yellow fever for her,
     
    You decide, heh..Here's Hong:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Cathyparkhong008.JPG/220px-Cathyparkhong008.JPG
  20. @Anon
    This is weird. IME East Asian girls like White Men a lot IRL. Yet on web, they whine about White people. They seem to want to be around us, esp articulate, cultured, middle class Nordic types. Not complaining.

    Strangely, seems to be OK to make fun of Oriental Men, yet a taboo to criticize the much less civil / attractive / cultured / law-abiding black man!

    There are at least three ‘tells’ in your post, Mr Anon.

  21. @AnotherDad


    Anytime I brought up an anti-Asian incident, a white person interjected that it was a distraction from the more important issue (and there was always a more important issue). I’ve been conditioned to think my second-class citizenry was low on the scale of oppression and therefore not worth bringing up even though every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.
     
    "Diversity is out greatest strength."

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US. But they are nonetheless champions of minoritarian whining as if they are blacks. Oh how they ... suffer.

    The conclusion from this should be obvious: It does not work. Minoritarianism is a cancer.

    Anyone whose brain is not a turnip should hear "diversity is our greatest strength" and bust out laughing. Then when they realize the person is not joking, mock their abject stupidity. That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.

    That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.

    It was conquered, that’s all. By a virus, you might say.

  22. There is no end of ways, in which Women are the natural and eternal enemy of the average White man. No end of ways …

    • Replies: @Anon
    Good name for a band: Average White Man
  23. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    Her name suggests she’s Korean and married Chinese.

    Park and Hong are both common Korean surnames.

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

    In any case, if the “white supremacism” is so bad here, she can always go to Korea (North or South) where there is no supremacism at all.

    Also, this sub-genre of iSteve (the woke East Asian girl writer on NYT) is catnip to the commenters here. I expect several hundred comments shortly.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

     

    You are so right. The template is simple:

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism!

    2 But then this racist thing happened to me!!! And, oh, yeah, it was a PoC who did it, but . . .

    3 It's because of White supremacy!!!!!

    Articles stamped out using this imprint are even appearing in the SCMP these days. It's tiresome.
    , @Mr McKenna

    woke East Asian girl writer on NYT
     
    So redundant head explode
  24. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    “ I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends.

    … convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time”

    Mores McWreath: Hey baby, wanna listen to some Psy and practice your English back at my place?

    Cathy Hong’s Sister: Absolutely not. However, as a white guy with yellow fever and poor hygiene, I know just the girl for you!

  25. @AnotherDad


    Anytime I brought up an anti-Asian incident, a white person interjected that it was a distraction from the more important issue (and there was always a more important issue). I’ve been conditioned to think my second-class citizenry was low on the scale of oppression and therefore not worth bringing up even though every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.
     
    "Diversity is out greatest strength."

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US. But they are nonetheless champions of minoritarian whining as if they are blacks. Oh how they ... suffer.

    The conclusion from this should be obvious: It does not work. Minoritarianism is a cancer.

    Anyone whose brain is not a turnip should hear "diversity is our greatest strength" and bust out laughing. Then when they realize the person is not joking, mock their abject stupidity. That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US.

    Koreans are not.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    No argument on the data. Though the "low" 60k of Koreans is still at the US national average household income.

    I think a key variable here is how many are immigrants and then the selectivity of the immigration. Indians are recent, but their immigration has been highly selective. (I know a lot of Indians from grad school and my career in tech.) Upper caste--Brahmin or merchant--and the vast majority coming with college degrees. Filipinos in general have been here longer, or recent immigrants (like nurses) come with degrees. And Japanese--basically there are almost no new immigrants--most in the workforce are 3rd or 4th generation now. In contrast Chinese and Koreans have a great proportion of immigrants and much less selective immigration (especially in years past) than the Indians. As their older immigrants die off, these numbers will change.

    But the bottom line here, it's only the jungly-ist of jungle Asians who are doing worse than median American. And by 2nd generation all the Indian and East Asians are more economically successful than white Americans. Our "racism" apparently isn't doing much good.

  26. @Dave Pinsen
    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters. This girl’s essay is no more impressive than similar ones by NAM women. Wesley Yang is less whiny, but he’s pretentious, draws overly broad conclusions, and leans on his thesaurus too much.

    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters.

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

    Past data have shown that only at the higher end of the income level are Asians in America on par with whites of their peer income segment in verbal test scores.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

     

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?

    As for verbal ability, the Japanese writer Ryu Murakami is very good. The other Japanese writer named Murakami, Haruki, is overrated.

    As for other Asians, I like Liu Cixin's sci-fi, but like most sci-fi writers, he's not much for characterizations.
    , @Anonymous

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial,
     
    What evidence are you basing your view on that they are high in visuospatial?
  27. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    The writers of these NYT anti-white articles rarely confess to having had any retrograde racial feelings of their own (punching down).

    Are we supposed to believe that this racially obsessed woman has never unleashed a torrent of racial thoughtcrime in her entire life?

    I think maybe she watched her Asian high school/college girlfriends bag some high value white guys and she struggled to do the same as a young woman.

    Also I think her parents probably vented their share of racial frustrations against white people around the house when she was growing up. Probably a lot of racial slurs were used.

    Imagine the confusion in her mind. Then imagine the trained Marxists taking advantage of her confusion.

    How can mass non-white immigration NOT lead to Marxist revolution? It’s like shooting fish in a barrel to reprogram these young minds to GET WHITEY.

    Like AOC and Ilhan Omar this chick wants to date/fuck/marry white guys but she also wants to disempower the general population of white guys. Crazy bitchez!

  28. Cathy Park Hong’s book of essays, “Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning” was published in February 2020 by One World/Penguin Random House.

    Penguin Random House is a major editor. While good writers struggle to find publishers, this “Chinese bitch” gets published by a major company. But I have to wonder, who actually buys and reads this crap? Or is it published at a loss?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi

    Or is it published at a loss?
     
    They make up for it in volume.
    , @Anon
    You can bet the acquisitions editor was either Jewish or Asian, most likely the former. They're always on the lookout for grievance memoirs because they have an agenda they want to push.
  29. Dot Indian over-the-top affluence due to the machinations of US Capitalists and the AMA against native white Americans!

  30. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley

    What an awkward, tin-eared phrase — maybe she should have gone to Berkeley; she obviously didn’t learn to write well at Oberlin.

  31. @Twinkie

    Her name suggests she’s Korean and married Chinese.
     
    Park and Hong are both common Korean surnames.

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

    In any case, if the “white supremacism” is so bad here, she can always go to Korea (North or South) where there is no supremacism at all.

    Also, this sub-genre of iSteve (the woke East Asian girl writer on NYT) is catnip to the commenters here. I expect several hundred comments shortly.

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

    You are so right. The template is simple:

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism!

    2 But then this racist thing happened to me!!! And, oh, yeah, it was a PoC who did it, but . . .

    3 It’s because of White supremacy!!!!!

    Articles stamped out using this imprint are even appearing in the SCMP these days. It’s tiresome.

    • Replies: @black sea
    I agree with the basic structure of your generic grievance article template, but I would add something to part 1.

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism, even though I was experiencing it all the time, but just didn't know it because it had been "drummed into my head" that XXXs don't experience racism. Silly me!

    It's important to establish that -- though one's entire life in the West has been saturated with racial animus -- one never really picked up on it until yesterday, and just had to spread the news.

    , @Twinkie

    2 But then this racist thing happened to me!!! And, oh, yeah, it was a PoC who did it, but . . .
     
    The same structural racism that forces blacks to rob Asians - hence whites at fault.
    , @SOL
    Good thing I don't like at SCMP too often.
  32. @Dave Pinsen
    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters. This girl’s essay is no more impressive than similar ones by NAM women. Wesley Yang is less whiny, but he’s pretentious, draws overly broad conclusions, and leans on his thesaurus too much.

    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters.

    Forget it Dave, it’s mongoloid town.

    Here’s a pic of Tom Tellific, Tom Brady’s evil twin from Irvine:

  33. … If black and indigenous people were systematically enslaved, killed and dispossessed of property, the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation.

    See, Blacks weren’t the only ones who suffered under segregation. All those millions of Chinese who were barred from immigrating to the US were living under Global Jim Crow. Open Borders now!

    every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.

    Wait, am I implying that Asian women are being emasculated? Maybe I should specify which sex is experiencing what….Ah, screw it. Let the editor make the call. They’ve still got those, right?

    The model-minority myth is a lie that silences the structural economic racism Asian-Americans have endured and the intergenerational traumas our families have experienced from years of Western colonialism, wars and invasions.

    After all, as we all know, East Asia was a veritable paradise before the Round Eyes came, completely lacking uniquely European horrors like war and imperialism…..

    White supremacy ensures that once the pressure of persecution is lifted even a little from one group, that group will then fall upon the newly targeted group out of relief and out of a frustrated misplaced rage that can never touch, let alone topple, the real enemy. …
    </blockquote

    Remember, the next time you get called an "Asian bitch" by a Latinx, make sure that you direct your rage at YT….

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    "every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired"
     
    WTF! I just found out you Asian! You fired!!
    , @Lurker

    The model-minority myth is a lie
     
    And thus they themselves discard the only vaguely plausible, utilitarian justification for their presence!
  34. “But once outside, I was genuinely afraid, as if there were guards on the rooftops of South Brooklyn watching me through their sniper scopes.”

    Yeesh…..

  35. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends.

    I guess this is what $60,000/year buys you these days.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    Sounds like me circa 1982 at UNC, except girls instead of boys, and it only cost $2k a semester even out of state.

    In other news, Cuomo hires McKinsey to consult NY on reopening. Great. Everyone gets fired and outsourced. Plus you still have to pay McKinsey billions. NY State can't file Chapter 9, but the munipalities can. That often follows some McKinsey advice.
  36. @Anon
    So, a Hispanic man called her a "Chinese bitch" and it's white people's fault? Why doesn't she have the courage to call a spade a spade? The most racist people these days are the non-whites. I'm Asian and even I am sick of all this whining. China unleashed this pandemic upon the world, if everyone is hating on the Chinese these days, it's only understandable. It sucks that all other Asians are getting the blame, but I understand. Come November, I will be voting for Trump so we can work towards a total decoupling from that God forsaken country. America needs to cut China off and expel all current and former citizens of China, because other Asians are sick of those China people making the rest of us look bad, even before the virus.

    The Mexicans were pretty anti Chinese back in the day. It wasn’t all photogenic superstars like Marlon Brando:

    https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/dark-side-revolution-massacre-chinese-people-mexico

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Right? Say, I've been meaning to ask you about your screen name, Hernán.
  37. @The Last Real Calvinist

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

     

    You are so right. The template is simple:

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism!

    2 But then this racist thing happened to me!!! And, oh, yeah, it was a PoC who did it, but . . .

    3 It's because of White supremacy!!!!!

    Articles stamped out using this imprint are even appearing in the SCMP these days. It's tiresome.

    I agree with the basic structure of your generic grievance article template, but I would add something to part 1.

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism, even though I was experiencing it all the time, but just didn’t know it because it had been “drummed into my head” that XXXs don’t experience racism. Silly me!

    It’s important to establish that — though one’s entire life in the West has been saturated with racial animus — one never really picked up on it until yesterday, and just had to spread the news.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Yeah, adding that jejune 'I awoke from my false consciousness!' twist is what passes for sophisticated insight these days.
  38. @Twinkie

    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters.
     
    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

    Past data have shown that only at the higher end of the income level are Asians in America on par with whites of their peer income segment in verbal test scores.

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?

    As for verbal ability, the Japanese writer Ryu Murakami is very good. The other Japanese writer named Murakami, Haruki, is overrated.

    As for other Asians, I like Liu Cixin’s sci-fi, but like most sci-fi writers, he’s not much for characterizations.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?
     
    In an earlier era, it probably had to do with less familiarity with driving. Asian women of my mother’s generation drive like snails and are fearful of other cars. Asian women of younger generation than I are lead-foots.

    Today, Asians have fewer automobile accidents per capita than other groups (in the U.S., Australia, etc.) if we were to use that as a proxy.

    Not all stereotypes are accurate or endure through time.
    , @Kim
    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.
  39. @Dave Pinsen

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

     

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?

    As for verbal ability, the Japanese writer Ryu Murakami is very good. The other Japanese writer named Murakami, Haruki, is overrated.

    As for other Asians, I like Liu Cixin's sci-fi, but like most sci-fi writers, he's not much for characterizations.

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?

    In an earlier era, it probably had to do with less familiarity with driving. Asian women of my mother’s generation drive like snails and are fearful of other cars. Asian women of younger generation than I are lead-foots.

    Today, Asians have fewer automobile accidents per capita than other groups (in the U.S., Australia, etc.) if we were to use that as a proxy.

    Not all stereotypes are accurate or endure through time.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Not all stereotypes are accurate or endure through time.
     
    Exactly!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePbipufCPYw
    , @J.Ross
    Asian or Chinese? Driving is the most concrete and accessible illustration of whether the subject comes from a high-trust or a low-trust society. I would expect that (per my experience, which includes visits to most of the home countries and "American" acquaintances here) Japanese and Koreans are excellent drivers and Chinese and Indians uphold the tradition, which tracks with their societal trust character.
    , @Bugg
    Perhaps, but it takes them forever to get there doing 35 MPH in the left lane.

    Recall we are here because a Chinese guy decided to eat a bat rather than Campbells Chicken Noodle Soup.

    Dirty secret about most stereotypes, says this Irish guy who tips jars more often than he should; they're mostly true.
  40. Anonymous[774] • Disclaimer says:

    “Blah, blah, blah …… ppprrroot ppphhhttt”.

  41. @The Last Real Calvinist

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

     

    You are so right. The template is simple:

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism!

    2 But then this racist thing happened to me!!! And, oh, yeah, it was a PoC who did it, but . . .

    3 It's because of White supremacy!!!!!

    Articles stamped out using this imprint are even appearing in the SCMP these days. It's tiresome.

    2 But then this racist thing happened to me!!! And, oh, yeah, it was a PoC who did it, but . . .

    The same structural racism that forces blacks to rob Asians – hence whites at fault.

  42. @Dave Pinsen
    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters. This girl’s essay is no more impressive than similar ones by NAM women. Wesley Yang is less whiny, but he’s pretentious, draws overly broad conclusions, and leans on his thesaurus too much.

    It is rather odd. Chinese literary heritage is 3,000-plus years old, but one struggles to find even glimmers of differentiation. Li Po and Su Tung-p’o are each brilliant in their way, but they sound very similar in tone and thematics despite writing centuries apart. No English reader would ever confuse Chaucer with John Donne, or Byron with Walt Whitman. Well, maybe the problem is reading Chinese poets in translation, but somehow I doubt it.

    A similar thing happens in storytelling and archetypes. In the West, Odysseus is the byword for resourcefulness, Agamemnon and Achilles for angry pride, Elektra and Medea for weird sexual jealousy, Hamlet for introspection that leads to paralysis, Lear for the old man raging at his impotence, Ahab for obsession, Tom Sawyer for the boyish trickster, the list is endless. One struggles to find a Chinese counterpart for, say, Dante and Virgil touring Hell, or the Ancient Mariner tormenting the Wedding Guest, or even mad King Sweeney hopping from tree to tree in Ireland.

    Much of Non-Occidental literatures seem to have a notable lack of self-questioning and self-examination; their inner life often strikes a Westerner as curiously narrow. Even something as impressive as Shen Yun has a weird fetish for the grandiose and the spectacle of mass precision over anything resembling soul; I wouldn’t trade the Bolshoi Ballet for it. Heck, I might not even trade Alvin Ailey.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    Mostly correct, I Ching being one monumental exception, the book above all books I'd have taken with me to a proverbial desert island.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Lots of lists, like BAP said in his book.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1174149309606047750?s=20
    , @MBlanc46
    Dance references. That’s the iSteve commentariat for you.
  43. @black sea
    I agree with the basic structure of your generic grievance article template, but I would add something to part 1.

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism, even though I was experiencing it all the time, but just didn't know it because it had been "drummed into my head" that XXXs don't experience racism. Silly me!

    It's important to establish that -- though one's entire life in the West has been saturated with racial animus -- one never really picked up on it until yesterday, and just had to spread the news.

    Yeah, adding that jejune ‘I awoke from my false consciousness!’ twist is what passes for sophisticated insight these days.

  44. • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    I think I can resist touching that.
  45. @Dave Pinsen

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

     

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?

    As for verbal ability, the Japanese writer Ryu Murakami is very good. The other Japanese writer named Murakami, Haruki, is overrated.

    As for other Asians, I like Liu Cixin's sci-fi, but like most sci-fi writers, he's not much for characterizations.

    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.
     
    The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.

    I think the East Asian characteristic that accounts for most outcomes is ... grinding and conformity. They will "nose to the grindstone" longer on average than whites. Especially with absolutely boring nonsense like SAT cramming. This is the trait that Californians observed in Chinese that energized broad support for exclusion. They'd simply undercut American working men. Work harder/longer for less.

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male--math and spatial skills--but the personality profile--conformity and compliance--skews female. The result is people who do very well in our feminized "sit still in class and do your homework" sty;e schools, particularly in STEM.
  46. She hates white people so much that ……… her husband is white.

    Are there any Asian white-hating women actually married to Asian men? At least political lesbians committed to it

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/

  47. @Dumbo

    Cathy Park Hong’s book of essays, “Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning” was published in February 2020 by One World/Penguin Random House.
     
    Penguin Random House is a major editor. While good writers struggle to find publishers, this "Chinese bitch" gets published by a major company. But I have to wonder, who actually buys and reads this crap? Or is it published at a loss?

    Or is it published at a loss?

    They make up for it in volume.

  48. Reading that piece, I got the impression that Cathy Park Hong was a much younger person than she actually is.

    She is 43, according to an online biographical listing of people in poetry and literature.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    Being a leftist traitor to this country is like being 19 forever; at least in one's own mind, and mannerisms. Don't believe me? Turn on any newscast on any network but Fox (who are just as treasonous when the subject is "Israel", except there the motivation isn't narcissism, but simple fear).
    , @Art Deco
    Not very attractive. And sloppy.
  49. @Twinkie

    Her name suggests she’s Korean and married Chinese.
     
    Park and Hong are both common Korean surnames.

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

    In any case, if the “white supremacism” is so bad here, she can always go to Korea (North or South) where there is no supremacism at all.

    Also, this sub-genre of iSteve (the woke East Asian girl writer on NYT) is catnip to the commenters here. I expect several hundred comments shortly.

    woke East Asian girl writer on NYT

    So redundant head explode

  50. @syonredux

    … If black and indigenous people were systematically enslaved, killed and dispossessed of property, the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation.
     
    See, Blacks weren't the only ones who suffered under segregation. All those millions of Chinese who were barred from immigrating to the US were living under Global Jim Crow. Open Borders now!

    every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.
     
    Wait, am I implying that Asian women are being emasculated? Maybe I should specify which sex is experiencing what....Ah, screw it. Let the editor make the call. They've still got those, right?

    The model-minority myth is a lie that silences the structural economic racism Asian-Americans have endured and the intergenerational traumas our families have experienced from years of Western colonialism, wars and invasions.
     
    After all, as we all know, East Asia was a veritable paradise before the Round Eyes came, completely lacking uniquely European horrors like war and imperialism.....

    White supremacy ensures that once the pressure of persecution is lifted even a little from one group, that group will then fall upon the newly targeted group out of relief and out of a frustrated misplaced rage that can never touch, let alone topple, the real enemy. …
    </blockquote

    Remember, the next time you get called an "Asian bitch" by a Latinx, make sure that you direct your rage at YT....
     

     

    “every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired”

    WTF! I just found out you Asian! You fired!!

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  51. @Cortes
    The Mexicans were pretty anti Chinese back in the day. It wasn’t all photogenic superstars like Marlon Brando:

    https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/dark-side-revolution-massacre-chinese-people-mexico

    Right? Say, I’ve been meaning to ask you about your screen name, Hernán.

  52. What are the odds this woman’s in therapy?

    For more slurs Cathy Park Hong never expected hear, she should head on over to Twitter and search for “Chinese Company Ogun State“. Apparently Nigerians love their “model minority”.

  53. @Twinkie

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?
     
    In an earlier era, it probably had to do with less familiarity with driving. Asian women of my mother’s generation drive like snails and are fearful of other cars. Asian women of younger generation than I are lead-foots.

    Today, Asians have fewer automobile accidents per capita than other groups (in the U.S., Australia, etc.) if we were to use that as a proxy.

    Not all stereotypes are accurate or endure through time.

    Not all stereotypes are accurate or endure through time.

    Exactly!

  54. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:

    Cathy Park Hong wrote a book called, MINOR FEELINGS, An ASIAN AMERICAN RECKONING.
    The words “Minor Feelings” on the cover are printed in flames, represenative of burning anger.

    If she feels that immigration-restriction is tantamount to global segregation, then lets let China/Korea/Taiwan accept 300 million sub-Saharans immediately, with a million more each year. C’mon……hurry up now, catch up with the moral superpowers Cathy****

    ***of course I hope China, Taiwan, and Korea dont do this because one Asian American writer doesn’t like it here. The best solution for her personal homesickness is cured with a one-way ticket. However, most Asian Americans like it here and are well liked here by the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    However, most Asian Americans like it here and are well liked here by the rest of us.
     
    Of course, those Asians will never get a column in the New York Times because they wouldn't feed the NYT ethnic strategy of "let's you and him fight". Cathy Hong is too dumb, self-absorbed, and, frankly, female to see how she is being played.
  55. We keep being told Kimchi Americans and other East Asians are model minorities.

    Those who think they don’t have a grievance complex should watch old Bruce Lee and other kung-fu movies which are overtly anti-Japanese like Hollywood with its white (German) baddies.

  56. All of the anti-Asian incidents I have found (which were not fake) were coming from the same group of people who were already not only terrorizing poorer Asians but doing so with newsmedia license or approval. This moralistic gibberish would work better if the rules were actually enforced. As long as it’s just a transparent attack on whites I feel fine ignoring it.

  57. @Twinkie

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?
     
    In an earlier era, it probably had to do with less familiarity with driving. Asian women of my mother’s generation drive like snails and are fearful of other cars. Asian women of younger generation than I are lead-foots.

    Today, Asians have fewer automobile accidents per capita than other groups (in the U.S., Australia, etc.) if we were to use that as a proxy.

    Not all stereotypes are accurate or endure through time.

    Asian or Chinese? Driving is the most concrete and accessible illustration of whether the subject comes from a high-trust or a low-trust society. I would expect that (per my experience, which includes visits to most of the home countries and “American” acquaintances here) Japanese and Koreans are excellent drivers and Chinese and Indians uphold the tradition, which tracks with their societal trust character.

    • Replies: @Anon
    The stereotype is Asian women:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hlH9RGLJqxE
  58. Corona Chan says it is payback time:

  59. @Sean
    https://africageographic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pangolin9.jpg

    I think I can resist touching that.

    • Replies: @Couch scientist
    I'm told that if you are squeamish about eating pangolins, but you need to for medicinal purposes, the best thing to do is have your dog eat it. Then eat the dog. Works better than Viagra.
    , @Sean
    It is uncomfortable, but signifies that he has no need of pangolin potions. Chicks dig it, if you know what I mean.
  60. Make fun of Asians only around other Asians.

    Good idea. I know where you can find billions of them.

    And they’re all undifferentiated Asians who would enjoy hearing jokes about the Chinese from a Korean.

  61. The NYT magazine would never run a white woman’s article if she talked about living in the blacker sections of, say, Baltimore, even if she described slurs and real violence far more awful than this Korean woman does. That is why I have come to hate the Times. It is really the primary voice of the anti-white coalition, and as a white man I’d be foolish to ignore it.

    • Agree: jim jones
  62. @Gary in Gramercy
    I think I can resist touching that.

    I’m told that if you are squeamish about eating pangolins, but you need to for medicinal purposes, the best thing to do is have your dog eat it. Then eat the dog. Works better than Viagra.

  63. @Gary in Gramercy
    I think I can resist touching that.

    It is uncomfortable, but signifies that he has no need of pangolin potions. Chicks dig it, if you know what I mean.

  64. “I’m afraid to leave my home not because of coronavirus,” my Asian friends say, half in jest, “but because I don’t want to be a victim of a hate crime.”

    Do they all speak in unison like that? Almost as though they were automatons, lacking individuality and authentic humanity?

    And does she properly canvass and analyze their thoughts, in order to be sure of that 50% jest thing?

    Wow. She really does need to watch herself.

    • Replies: @anon
    Do they all speak in unison like that? Almost as though they were automatons, lacking individuality and authentic humanity?

    The term you need is NPC.

    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/10/NPC-37-kavanaugh-protests-antifa.jpg
  65. Do Asians even eat artichokes?

  66. An ongoing narrative seems to be that dumb Americans can’t tell Asians apart from one another, so let’s just lash out at all of them whenever one of their countries does something bad. Maybe that used to be the case in the old days, when the only Asians in the US were Chinese and to a lesser extent Japanese. But nowadays it seems like we have gotten past that. Or at least White people have. But there are certain other groups who can’t be bothered to educate themselves on the differences between Asians, and not coincidentally they are the ones committing all the Coronavirus-related hate incidents.

  67. As the proverbial waiter is alleged to have declared:

    “Do you want anymore cheese with that whine.”

  68. @Anonymous
    The everyday racialized experience is not so much being the target of hate more than the anticipation of it. Will I be bullied because I’m Asian? Will he reject me because I’m Asian? Will they ignore me because I’m Asian?

    "Will he reject me because I'm Asian?"

    There it is. The source of the hurt feelings: Sexual market value.

    If she is not rejected by the men she desires then she doesn't write this article at least not until later in life when she hits the wall.

    Good example is Alyssa Milano who was very hot when younger and in high demand as an actress and had no interest in politics. Now that she's older she's still hot for her age but everything's relative and relative to her former position in the sexual value market she might as well be a washed up trailer park hag. And the resentment finds an outlet in ... politics.

    You nailed it. You will often find that not only (as Steve points out) are entire articles written as essentially cathartic, self-congratulating or alternatively self-pitying, puff pieces-sometimes an entire article, post, etc, is written to insert one, brief, accidentally truthful sentence. You found her’s.

    I did not read the whole thing, but was she also “literally shaking” at some point? If Ron Unz had a giant searchable database of all the crybaby, self-important blather written by these progs, libs and SJWs, you’d find “literally shaking” “exhale/ing” and “deep breaths” and “I just kept telling myself” all over the place. Followed not far behind from sudden memories of childhood slights, from unknown, composite characters (white racists) right outta central casting. They also usually throw in newly recalled memories of one’s ethnic/”differently-racialed” parents singing songs or making cute statements (in their native language) that the author suddenly remembers being so central to their lives growing up.

  69. Challenge: is there a headline about India which does not spark laughter?
    Indians are watching a disturbing amount of child porn during coronavirus lockdown
    https://www.vice.com/en_asia/article/jgez3x/disturbing-child-porn-trends-from-india-during-lockdown
    On the one hand this is coming from an advocacy group which overcounts innocuous terms; on the other hand the search terms indicate an interest in brutality.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
    Vice has been going hard on India since their Hindu nationalist prime minister came into power. This surprised me as I thought they only went after White countries.
  70. @J.Ross
    Asian or Chinese? Driving is the most concrete and accessible illustration of whether the subject comes from a high-trust or a low-trust society. I would expect that (per my experience, which includes visits to most of the home countries and "American" acquaintances here) Japanese and Koreans are excellent drivers and Chinese and Indians uphold the tradition, which tracks with their societal trust character.

    The stereotype is Asian women:

  71. @AnotherDad


    Anytime I brought up an anti-Asian incident, a white person interjected that it was a distraction from the more important issue (and there was always a more important issue). I’ve been conditioned to think my second-class citizenry was low on the scale of oppression and therefore not worth bringing up even though every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.
     
    "Diversity is out greatest strength."

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US. But they are nonetheless champions of minoritarian whining as if they are blacks. Oh how they ... suffer.

    The conclusion from this should be obvious: It does not work. Minoritarianism is a cancer.

    Anyone whose brain is not a turnip should hear "diversity is our greatest strength" and bust out laughing. Then when they realize the person is not joking, mock their abject stupidity. That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.

    “diversity is our greatest strength”

    The always left unsaid part of the slogan is “Their”. Thus completed, the phrase is pretty accurate, whoever you put into the they/we spots.

  72. She’s making the rounds. Must be the book tour.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/01/cathy-park-hong-minor-feelings

    I didn’t read it. Why bother?

    She’s definitely low-end on the Cute Asian Girl scale. Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism strikes again.

    • Replies: @Alden
    She’s hasn’t been a girl for about 20 years and she’s not even cute or attractive.
  73. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    It is rather odd. Chinese literary heritage is 3,000-plus years old, but one struggles to find even glimmers of differentiation. Li Po and Su Tung-p'o are each brilliant in their way, but they sound very similar in tone and thematics despite writing centuries apart. No English reader would ever confuse Chaucer with John Donne, or Byron with Walt Whitman. Well, maybe the problem is reading Chinese poets in translation, but somehow I doubt it.

    A similar thing happens in storytelling and archetypes. In the West, Odysseus is the byword for resourcefulness, Agamemnon and Achilles for angry pride, Elektra and Medea for weird sexual jealousy, Hamlet for introspection that leads to paralysis, Lear for the old man raging at his impotence, Ahab for obsession, Tom Sawyer for the boyish trickster, the list is endless. One struggles to find a Chinese counterpart for, say, Dante and Virgil touring Hell, or the Ancient Mariner tormenting the Wedding Guest, or even mad King Sweeney hopping from tree to tree in Ireland.

    Much of Non-Occidental literatures seem to have a notable lack of self-questioning and self-examination; their inner life often strikes a Westerner as curiously narrow. Even something as impressive as Shen Yun has a weird fetish for the grandiose and the spectacle of mass precision over anything resembling soul; I wouldn't trade the Bolshoi Ballet for it. Heck, I might not even trade Alvin Ailey.

    Mostly correct, I Ching being one monumental exception, the book above all books I’d have taken with me to a proverbial desert island.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    The I Ching? Really? Why?

    If I was going to take a divination tool with me, I’d take a good tarot pack or something.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Desert island?! I Ching is the one book I'd take with me if I was founding a country!

    (Quibble Nazi: it isn't literature though, it's philosophy, and I was sorta only talking about literature. Quibble Nazi no. 2: pace another commenter, I Ching isn't really a book of divination or oracles. There are people who play "Bible roulette" in search of guidance, but the Bible isnt a Tarot deck.)

    I keep waiting for some self-consciously ironic Asian humorist (they exist), a sort of Asian Dave Barry, to write a self-pitying mock-woke autobiography called "I, Ching" and really take the piss out of Asian SJWism (which is not at all new).
  74. @Anon
    So, a Hispanic man called her a "Chinese bitch" and it's white people's fault? Why doesn't she have the courage to call a spade a spade? The most racist people these days are the non-whites. I'm Asian and even I am sick of all this whining. China unleashed this pandemic upon the world, if everyone is hating on the Chinese these days, it's only understandable. It sucks that all other Asians are getting the blame, but I understand. Come November, I will be voting for Trump so we can work towards a total decoupling from that God forsaken country. America needs to cut China off and expel all current and former citizens of China, because other Asians are sick of those China people making the rest of us look bad, even before the virus.

    Is it racist if it is true? She admits to being Chinese. The article speaks to her being a bitch. Plus she is a racist one at that.

  75. the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether

    No they weren’t. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether

    No they weren’t. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

     

    Yup:

    In Shanghai, May-ling attended the McTyeire School for Girls with her sister, Ching-ling. Their father, who had studied in the United States, arranged to have them continue their education in the US in 1907. May-ling and Ching-ling attended a private school in Summit, New Jersey. In 1908, Ching-ling was accepted by her sister Ai-ling's alma mater, Wesleyan College, at age 15 and both sisters moved to Macon, Georgia, to join Ai-ling. However, she could not get permission to stay on campus as a family member nor could she be a student because she was too young.[citation needed] May-ling spent the year in Demorest, Georgia, with Ai-ling's Wesleyan friend, Blanche Moss, who enrolled May-ling as an 8th grader at Piedmont College. In 1909, Wesleyan's newly appointed president, William Newman Ainsworth, gave her permission to stay at Wesleyan and assigned her tutors. She briefly attended Fairmount College in Monteagle, Tennessee in 1910.[6][7]
     

    May-ling was officially registered as a freshman at Wesleyan in 1912 at the age of 15. She then transferred to Wellesley College two years later to be closer to her older brother, T. V., who, at the time, was studying at Harvard. By then, both her sisters had graduated and returned to Shanghai. She graduated from Wellesley as one of the 33 "Durant Scholars" on June 19, 1917, with a major in English literature and minor in philosophy. She was also a member of Tau Zeta Epsilon, Wellesley's Arts and Music Society. As a result of being educated in English all her life, she spoke excellent English, with a pronounced Georgia accent which helped her connect with American audiences.[8]
     
    ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soong_Mei-ling
    , @Lot
    Thank you.

    That random hysterical idiots and not Steve and Derb can contribute to the NYT op-ed page is a continuous scandal.

    Three cheers for Craig Newmark of craigslist for delivering the single biggest blow to the newspaper industry!
    , @Jack D
    I suppose if you are extremely literal minded the fact that you can point to ONE Chinese person living in America negates the fact that the "Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether". But I expected better from you. Just because Park-Hong is an idiot doesn't mean that you have to be an idiot back.

    The Chinese Exclusion Act did not exclude 100% of Chinese immigrants - it was mainly aimed at the importation of Chinese (male) LABOR. Madame Chiang came to study so she would not have been covered.

    Limited immigration for family reunification was permitted . This led to the phenomenon of "paper sons". For a certain price, a Chinese "father" living in the US would send for his "son" in China. The "father" and the "son" had to study and memorize an elaborate back story so that when questioned at the immigration station their stories would match. E.g. what color hair did your mother have (oops, not that question)?

    The Exclusion Act was pro-labor and had been prompted by the use of Chinese as strike breakers by industry. For example, a strike at the Beaver Falls Cutlery Company in Pennsylvania was broken by the replacement of all workers with over 200 Chinese men. These type of actions led to a backlash against imported Chinese labor. Of course nowadays we are no longer racist and understand it is fine when Jeff Bezos imports a bunch of Indian programmers. The Washington Post tells me so.

    , @Eagle Eye

    Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.
     
    PLEASE, DERB, you know better than to inflict this anachronism on the world.

    It's Soong Mei-ling with two Os and a hyphen, as even the ChiComs acknowledge.

    For a subject who spent a significant portion of her life in the U.S. and was well known here under her Chinese name, it is simply inappropriate to impose a mechanistic pinyin transcription of the Chinese characters.

    Here she is visiting her old haunts at Wesleyan in 1943.

    , @Alden
    And those who were born here or immigrants who became citizens had no problems US customs Service VS Mr Tin Supreme Court decision and ruling sometime in the 1890s.

    The 1906 serious bubonic plague epidemic brought to California by a ship full of Japanese didn’t help the Asian immigration cause at all.

    A country can either have a prosperous working class and country with little poverty or unlimited immigration of poor people.

    Can’t have both. California led by my hero Dennis Kearney chose a prosperous working class. For a few decades. After a few decades of unlimited immigration half the population of California is officially poor and on welfare.
  76. “Racism doesn’t discriminate”.

    Hopeless…

  77. @Twinkie

    Then why are so many such bad drivers?
     
    In an earlier era, it probably had to do with less familiarity with driving. Asian women of my mother’s generation drive like snails and are fearful of other cars. Asian women of younger generation than I are lead-foots.

    Today, Asians have fewer automobile accidents per capita than other groups (in the U.S., Australia, etc.) if we were to use that as a proxy.

    Not all stereotypes are accurate or endure through time.

    Perhaps, but it takes them forever to get there doing 35 MPH in the left lane.

    Recall we are here because a Chinese guy decided to eat a bat rather than Campbells Chicken Noodle Soup.

    Dirty secret about most stereotypes, says this Irish guy who tips jars more often than he should; they’re mostly true.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  78. @AnotherDad


    Anytime I brought up an anti-Asian incident, a white person interjected that it was a distraction from the more important issue (and there was always a more important issue). I’ve been conditioned to think my second-class citizenry was low on the scale of oppression and therefore not worth bringing up even though every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.
     
    "Diversity is out greatest strength."

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US. But they are nonetheless champions of minoritarian whining as if they are blacks. Oh how they ... suffer.

    The conclusion from this should be obvious: It does not work. Minoritarianism is a cancer.

    Anyone whose brain is not a turnip should hear "diversity is our greatest strength" and bust out laughing. Then when they realize the person is not joking, mock their abject stupidity. That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.

    You don’t see the Clintons and their diversity uber alles ilk moving to East New York or Watts.

  79. @Twinkie

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US.
     
    Koreans are not.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FT_19.05.23_AsianAmericans_MostUSAsiangroupshavehouseholdincomesfallbelow.png

    No argument on the data. Though the “low” 60k of Koreans is still at the US national average household income.

    I think a key variable here is how many are immigrants and then the selectivity of the immigration. Indians are recent, but their immigration has been highly selective. (I know a lot of Indians from grad school and my career in tech.) Upper caste–Brahmin or merchant–and the vast majority coming with college degrees. Filipinos in general have been here longer, or recent immigrants (like nurses) come with degrees. And Japanese–basically there are almost no new immigrants–most in the workforce are 3rd or 4th generation now. In contrast Chinese and Koreans have a great proportion of immigrants and much less selective immigration (especially in years past) than the Indians. As their older immigrants die off, these numbers will change.

    But the bottom line here, it’s only the jungly-ist of jungle Asians who are doing worse than median American. And by 2nd generation all the Indian and East Asians are more economically successful than white Americans. Our “racism” apparently isn’t doing much good.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    A lot of the Vietnamese nationals who ended up in the United States were actually ethnic Chinese, however much that matters. There was a one-two punch of first being the urban business minority that took the side of the losers in the civil war, and then being viewed as fifth columnists on top of capitalist toadies by the winners when relations from China went from bad to worse in the late 1970s.

    On top of that, a lot of the Chinese who came over in the 1970s were Taiwanese, from what I can gather. Mainland immigration only seemed to really get going later on.

    , @Twinkie

    I think a key variable here is how many are immigrants and then the selectivity of the immigration.
     
    Some months back, I wrote a whole series of comments that elaborated upon immigration selectivity by education among those from Asia (I used data from Pew). Did you read those at all?
    , @PiltdownMan
    https://youtu.be/dUFDL4fXuhY
  80. I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity. Not the first one picked when dividing up teams for basketball on the playground, I would believe that.

    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge. Rather than advocate behavior that would naturally improve outcomes for their preferred group, they just insist whites need to lay down so others can step into their places and claim this will benefit everyone, even the displaced whites.

    The current Corona pandemic is demonstrating it’s dangerous at a national level to put yourself in a position in which your safety/security is in the hands of people who do not necessarily have the same interests or concerns as your own. I think this will subtly work into the minds of some of the American population when it comes to domestic politics – and perhaps bowing to racial demands of others might not work out so well for you and yours, no matter how many assurances you get that it makes ‘us’ stronger.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @black sea

    I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity.
     
    Not to mention fetishized.

    Everyone has stories about feeling humiliated at some point in their lives, and nearly half of American workers believe they are underpaid. I'm sure this is sometimes related to ethnicity, but how often? Who knows? However, I suspect that Asians working in America are most often or most egregiously underpaid by Asian employers.

    I think the author does deserve some slight acknowledgement for admitting that her street-level oppressor was Latino rather than White, but while reading her article, I did wonder how -- as he zoomed by and uttered his epithets -- she could be so sure he was Latino. Could she have been just assuming?

    , @Art Deco
    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge.


    Well, you have gentry liberals who manufacture strata and appoint themselves the distributors of status.

    Look at the sort of incidents which have generated racial protests in recent years: (1) Michael Brown, who asserted his franchise to appropriate convenience store inventory and then went berserk when a municipal police officer told him he and his pal were not licensed and privileged to walk down the middle of the road as if they owned it (there being a sidewalk right over there); and (2) Trayvon Martin, who quite deliberately walked 75 yards down an alley and attacked a local resident, who was loitering around waiting for a police patrol to arrive. Did you ever get into long tangles with liberals on these incidents? What they take for granted is the franchise (granted by gentry liberals) of feral young blacks to appropriate space contra the wishes of others and beat up people who irritate them. They held a hispanic everyman culpable because he made a phone call to a non-emergency dispatcher about a youth behaving peculiarly, got out of his truck, and walked around his own neighborhood. "Black Lives Matter" is a complaint that people not licensed by gentry liberals have behaved in a manner that is above their station. This is believed by black chauvinists and gentry liberals alike.

    And now look at this. Somebody insulted her in a public place (or so she says, not really buying). Someone was rude to the child of TN Coates on an escalator. For an ordinary person, frictions like these are filed away if not necessarily forgotten. Their complaint is that they are Special People, who should never be subject to insults from peasants.
    , @Corvinus
    "At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge."

    Including the white race hustlers?
  81. “I suddenly realized that I could be spreading stereotypes about Chinese people. ”

    Maybe ethnic taunts would go a long way to protecting pangolins and rhinoceroses? In European history insulting the ways of peasants was used to end superstition and other negative attributes associated with peasantry.

    “It’s used for medicinal purposes.”

    I wonder if that is a direct translation from Chinese to English. In European culture a distinction is made between real medicine and folk/alternative/pseudo/quack medicine. When Chinese refer to their own Traditional Chinese medicine do they use the same term as they use for modern/real/scientific medicine?

    The wikipedia article does not include the Chinese characters for Traditional Chinese Medicine possibly because they use the same expression for ‘real’ medicine.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I have seen different characters used for Western Medicine (Xi Yao) than for Chinese herbal medicine
  82. @AnotherDad
    No argument on the data. Though the "low" 60k of Koreans is still at the US national average household income.

    I think a key variable here is how many are immigrants and then the selectivity of the immigration. Indians are recent, but their immigration has been highly selective. (I know a lot of Indians from grad school and my career in tech.) Upper caste--Brahmin or merchant--and the vast majority coming with college degrees. Filipinos in general have been here longer, or recent immigrants (like nurses) come with degrees. And Japanese--basically there are almost no new immigrants--most in the workforce are 3rd or 4th generation now. In contrast Chinese and Koreans have a great proportion of immigrants and much less selective immigration (especially in years past) than the Indians. As their older immigrants die off, these numbers will change.

    But the bottom line here, it's only the jungly-ist of jungle Asians who are doing worse than median American. And by 2nd generation all the Indian and East Asians are more economically successful than white Americans. Our "racism" apparently isn't doing much good.

    A lot of the Vietnamese nationals who ended up in the United States were actually ethnic Chinese, however much that matters. There was a one-two punch of first being the urban business minority that took the side of the losers in the civil war, and then being viewed as fifth columnists on top of capitalist toadies by the winners when relations from China went from bad to worse in the late 1970s.

    On top of that, a lot of the Chinese who came over in the 1970s were Taiwanese, from what I can gather. Mainland immigration only seemed to really get going later on.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I remember. As soon as we pulled out of Vietnam , California got hordes of S Koreans, Hong Kongers, Taiwanese and even Thais. They were the wealthy who had the cash to buy or set up businesses and buy what were then 200-300K homes in the more expensive neighborhoods and send their kids to private schools.

    One S Korean family I knew bought for cash, no mortgage 4 Teacher’s Fish and Chip stores and not one but 2, 300K houses. 300 K single family homes in 1977.

    The Asians were afraid America would surrender S Korea Taiwan, Thailand to the PRC and arrived en masse with their ill gotten gains to California.

    I believe all those Asian allies against the People’s Republic got their money from embezzling American tax payers foreign aid.
  83. @Kim
    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.

    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.

    The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.

    I think the East Asian characteristic that accounts for most outcomes is … grinding and conformity. They will “nose to the grindstone” longer on average than whites. Especially with absolutely boring nonsense like SAT cramming. This is the trait that Californians observed in Chinese that energized broad support for exclusion. They’d simply undercut American working men. Work harder/longer for less.

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male–math and spatial skills–but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female. The result is people who do very well in our feminized “sit still in class and do your homework” sty;e schools, particularly in STEM.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.”

    5-6 points is a lot, and that’s over a mostly N and W Euro white normed 100.

    The Japanese/S. Korean versus Serb/Albanian/Bulgarian white gap is bigger still.


    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”

    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.

    Skews female isn’t completely wrong, however as Steve has noted many times there are two male general personality types: the salesman extrovert verbal people-loving alpha and the introvert mathy nerd who prefers objects. The mathy type is in some ways is the least feminine.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male–math and spatial skills–but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.
     
    That's an observation that rings true. Confuscian conformity and hard work seem to be their defining cultural characteristics.

    Conformity is probably why East Asians tend to be Democrats. It's just the respectable thing among respectable people in the blue states where they mostly live.

    The Korean chick who wrote the hate whitey article is basically just saying what her professor wants to hear in order to get an "A" on her paper.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Of course, for the Chinese people who weren't born here, that nose/grindstone bit is engrained. To learn a language made of 3-5,000 characters, each made of (generally) 8 to 20 squiggly lines, what do you expect? It's just plain NUTS, and no way to make a language. However, you are simply GOING TO have a good memory, or you will go nowhere in life
    , @Cortes
    One of the books on the expansion of railways in the USA (perhaps Nicholas Faith’s “The World The Railways Made”) made the point that Chinese workers were hated by other groups for their doggedness - being prepared to work on in horrendous conditions which the rest couldn’t tolerate. “Accidents” involving explosives were regrettably common when the Chinese were working close by other groups.

    In passing, the classic diary of trench warfare in France by Dunn (referred to often in Robert Graves’s “Goodbye To All That), “The War The Infantry Knew” has some entries describing hair-raising incidents involving coolies employed to “tidy up” No Man’s Land including, as I recall, a macabre Tontine scheme...
  84. @Anon
    So, a Hispanic man called her a "Chinese bitch" and it's white people's fault? Why doesn't she have the courage to call a spade a spade? The most racist people these days are the non-whites. I'm Asian and even I am sick of all this whining. China unleashed this pandemic upon the world, if everyone is hating on the Chinese these days, it's only understandable. It sucks that all other Asians are getting the blame, but I understand. Come November, I will be voting for Trump so we can work towards a total decoupling from that God forsaken country. America needs to cut China off and expel all current and former citizens of China, because other Asians are sick of those China people making the rest of us look bad, even before the virus.

    So, a Hispanic man called her a “Chinese bitch” and it’s white people’s fault? Why doesn’t she have the courage to call a spade a spade?

    Well now, that all depends. Does she want to shovel her own shit, on her own dime, on some faceless blog; or does she want to be published in the New York Times Magazine?

  85. @MattinLA
    The "real enemy" that needs to be"toppled" is white people.

    She has to go back.

    Not sure about ‘has to’ if she’s not lived anywhere else, but we’d have a better public culture if the standard response of people to this sort of thing was to tell said person not to let the door hit her tuchus on the way out. I’d be pleased if she boarded a plane and left, along with every person in the chain-of-command between her and the Ochs-Sulzberger scion currently running the paper, along with every member of the Ochs-Sulzberger clan implicated in placing the current heir in charge and keeping him there.

    We have Korean shirt-tail who has on a couple of occasions let loose with nonsense like this over the last several years (on Facebook). I’m fond of her in-laws and AFAIK neither her father nor her brother and his family subscribe to this. I do wish someone whose opinion she cares about would tell her to get a grip and STFU.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  86. memo to Ms. Hong:
    you want us to hate you?
    -OK.

  87. @R.G. Camara
    Yup. I'm willing to bet this author is a plainer jane Asian chick--or ugly-- who got all jealous when she saw hot white guys not having yellow fever for her, despite her having vanilla fever for them. She probably saw all her attractive, feminine Asian friends land a blue eyed debil and got mad she could never get a Pacey or a Dawson or whatever white teen hearthrob she lusted over.

    Good example is Alyssa Milano who was very hot when younger and in high demand as an actress and had no interest in politics. Now that she’s older she’s still hot for her age but everything’s relative and relative to her former position in the sexual value market she might as well be a washed up trailer park hag. And the resentment finds an outlet in … politics.
     
    Nah, bad example. Milano was a child star who killed two of her kids via abortion when she was still young, hot, and hip (happened in the 90s when she was dating Scott Wolf). The girl is just mentally messed up as many child actors are, who are both abused on set and also sold into slavery by their parents. As the line goes, that woman's head is a bag full of cats, and has been since she was young. She's sick, but in a lifetime-of-abuse sort of way.

    Yup. I’m willing to bet this author is a plainer jane Asian chick–or ugly– who got all jealous when she saw hot white guys not having yellow fever for her,

    You decide, heh..Here’s Hong:

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Yup. Nailed it.

    Because no one would nail her.
  88. @PiltdownMan
    Reading that piece, I got the impression that Cathy Park Hong was a much younger person than she actually is.

    She is 43, according to an online biographical listing of people in poetry and literature.

    https://i.imgur.com/OPJCAX8.jpg

    Being a leftist traitor to this country is like being 19 forever; at least in one’s own mind, and mannerisms. Don’t believe me? Turn on any newscast on any network but Fox (who are just as treasonous when the subject is “Israel”, except there the motivation isn’t narcissism, but simple fear).

  89. @Arclight
    I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity. Not the first one picked when dividing up teams for basketball on the playground, I would believe that.

    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge. Rather than advocate behavior that would naturally improve outcomes for their preferred group, they just insist whites need to lay down so others can step into their places and claim this will benefit everyone, even the displaced whites.

    The current Corona pandemic is demonstrating it's dangerous at a national level to put yourself in a position in which your safety/security is in the hands of people who do not necessarily have the same interests or concerns as your own. I think this will subtly work into the minds of some of the American population when it comes to domestic politics - and perhaps bowing to racial demands of others might not work out so well for you and yours, no matter how many assurances you get that it makes 'us' stronger.

    I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity.

    Not to mention fetishized.

    Everyone has stories about feeling humiliated at some point in their lives, and nearly half of American workers believe they are underpaid. I’m sure this is sometimes related to ethnicity, but how often? Who knows? However, I suspect that Asians working in America are most often or most egregiously underpaid by Asian employers.

    I think the author does deserve some slight acknowledgement for admitting that her street-level oppressor was Latino rather than White, but while reading her article, I did wonder how — as he zoomed by and uttered his epithets — she could be so sure he was Latino. Could she have been just assuming?

    • Replies: @Arclight
    I am sure that the fact that a Latino person was rude to her is still whites' fault - since they erected and maintain the system of white supremacy and all. TNC blames the death of a college friend via police shooting on white supremacy, even though the officer involved was black, just like his friend. You regularly see politicians in major cities blame the inability of blacks to stop killing each other on white supremacy as well.
    , @Meretricious
    She made it up.
  90. “I think the East Asian characteristic that accounts for most outcomes is … grinding and conformity. They will “nose to the grindstone” longer on average than whites. Especially with absolutely boring nonsense like SAT cramming.”

    Check out modern programming interviews for jobs at tech companies. They used to ask some questions about fundamentals, but now the interview process is an art in itself. Coding questions that are basically nothing more than stupid tricks, performed at high speed over the course of a full day.

    There are books, online training courses and other tools to help you prepare. Some candidates will put in 500 hours, working their way through silly programming problems. Then there are online interview prep sites where you can conduct mock interviews with strangers. It’s thoroughly Asiatic now. Massive overinvestment in rote memorization and relentless drilling, all of which is completely incidental to real engineering.

    The tech sector now has this idiotic entry requirement, as well as pervasive age discrimination and discrimination against males of European descent. I like Chinese, but the introduction of Asian testing procedures for entry into the workforce is a real minus.

  91. @Arclight
    I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity. Not the first one picked when dividing up teams for basketball on the playground, I would believe that.

    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge. Rather than advocate behavior that would naturally improve outcomes for their preferred group, they just insist whites need to lay down so others can step into their places and claim this will benefit everyone, even the displaced whites.

    The current Corona pandemic is demonstrating it's dangerous at a national level to put yourself in a position in which your safety/security is in the hands of people who do not necessarily have the same interests or concerns as your own. I think this will subtly work into the minds of some of the American population when it comes to domestic politics - and perhaps bowing to racial demands of others might not work out so well for you and yours, no matter how many assurances you get that it makes 'us' stronger.

    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge.

    Well, you have gentry liberals who manufacture strata and appoint themselves the distributors of status.

    Look at the sort of incidents which have generated racial protests in recent years: (1) Michael Brown, who asserted his franchise to appropriate convenience store inventory and then went berserk when a municipal police officer told him he and his pal were not licensed and privileged to walk down the middle of the road as if they owned it (there being a sidewalk right over there); and (2) Trayvon Martin, who quite deliberately walked 75 yards down an alley and attacked a local resident, who was loitering around waiting for a police patrol to arrive. Did you ever get into long tangles with liberals on these incidents? What they take for granted is the franchise (granted by gentry liberals) of feral young blacks to appropriate space contra the wishes of others and beat up people who irritate them. They held a hispanic everyman culpable because he made a phone call to a non-emergency dispatcher about a youth behaving peculiarly, got out of his truck, and walked around his own neighborhood. “Black Lives Matter” is a complaint that people not licensed by gentry liberals have behaved in a manner that is above their station. This is believed by black chauvinists and gentry liberals alike.

    And now look at this. Somebody insulted her in a public place (or so she says, not really buying). Someone was rude to the child of TN Coates on an escalator. For an ordinary person, frictions like these are filed away if not necessarily forgotten. Their complaint is that they are Special People, who should never be subject to insults from peasants.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Arclight
    Your last paragraph is dead on. Everyone has experiences in which they are treated rudely by some jerk and although it rankles you just have to shrug it off. But in our current woke era, any POC who feels put down is told it's an event loaded with cultural and political significance. In short, it promotes mental fragility.

    It's no wonder that such a high percentage of college students report seeking mental health counseling and band together in various groups celebrating their own oppression. They are told this is how to live and react to life, and celebrated for it. Then they get into the workforce and inflict this BS on the rest of us.
    , @Jack D
    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.

    This is very explicit - "We wuz kangs". We wuz temporarily embarrassed kangs but now we are now re-asserting our hereditary royal privileges. Interactions between royalty and peons are not symmetrical - you bow to the prince, the prince does not bow to you. Royal privileges do not arise spontaneously - you assert them and if you have the ability to enforce them thru violence they become permanent and real, otherwise you have to back off. Brown and Martin were both testing the limits of their newfound royal privileges and just took them a little too far. In other cities (Baltimore) blacks tested their privileges (e.g. the right to hold duels among royalty) and found that they could in fact enforce them.

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.
  92. @PiltdownMan
    Reading that piece, I got the impression that Cathy Park Hong was a much younger person than she actually is.

    She is 43, according to an online biographical listing of people in poetry and literature.

    https://i.imgur.com/OPJCAX8.jpg

    Not very attractive. And sloppy.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    We haven't heard from the extremely neat and attractive Amy Chua about all this. I'd love to.

    57 and looks 30, at least in photos.
  93. Cathy Park Hong:

    nuff said.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    She's HOT in your pic:
    https://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1335799845p5/228167.jpg

    Mine's uglier:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Cathyparkhong008.JPG/220px-Cathyparkhong008.JPG
  94. In lock down you really dig into the book shelf. Up now, ‘The Pacific War, 1931-1945’ by Saburo Ienaga a professor of Japanese history. In setting the stage for his book he walks you through Asian history. First the Japanese idolized the Chinese, and hated the Koreans. Then they hated the Chinese, Manchurians, Mongols and the Koreans, not to mention everyone else in Southeast Asia. He quotes a Korean who was brought to Japan, at age three, with his day laborer family and attended school with Japanese students. He said he was mocked daily and told his lunches stunk to the point where he no longer took a lunch to school. Wait, didn’t we just hear that from a Indian op ed writer at the Times? Anyhow, I think the Latino bicyclist was pretty observant.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    He said he was mocked daily and told his lunches stunk to the point where he no longer took a lunch to school. Wait, didn’t we just hear that from a Indian op ed writer at the Times?
     
    Every immigrant group on earth has experienced this. Italians supposedly reeked of garlic and salami (Jews reeked of garlic and KOSHER salami). If Japanese immigrated to Korea, they would have been mocked for eating natto (fermented soy beans) which also stink. Humans are tribal by nature and kids naturally want to enforce tribal norms. You have to be edjumacated to be accepting of those who are "different".

    If you are a kid from an immigrant group, you have to make a choice Either you take the path of assimilation and give up your stinky ethnic food in exchange for being accepted by the group, or else you can stick to your kimchi at the price of rejection by the other kids, or else you can beg your parents to take you back to your home country where you'll be poor and uneducated but at least no one will question your lunch choices ( for some reason #3 never happens). But don't expect that the popular kids are going to let you sit at their table with that stinky stuff that makes them gag. One or the other but you can't have it both ways.

    But the modern convention is choice #4 - you stew about it for the next 20 years and then write op eds in which you express your seething hatred of your new country.

  95. Black racism is only salient because of the power of the black athlete and the menace of black race riots.

    White leftists revel in black racism because of the possibility of black vengeance. For them, they see every black person as a Django, a righteous avenger, and they want to see the spectacle.

    Asians just don’t garner the same level of righteous fear and awe as blacks garner.

    Of course there are a lot of black nerds in the world, and ordinary black people, and so forth. But the Leftist does not appreciate the average.

  96. ACE 2 Coding Variants: A Potential X-linked Risk Factor for COVID-19 Disease

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200415/ACE2-genetic-variants-may-influence-coronavirus-disease-progression.aspx

    On considering the ACE2 missense variants overall, the researchers say their estimated prevalence was 3.9 per 1,000 males and 8.5 per 1,000 females…. This allele occurred at a very low frequency among other populations and was absent among Korean … participants.

  97. @black sea

    I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity.
     
    Not to mention fetishized.

    Everyone has stories about feeling humiliated at some point in their lives, and nearly half of American workers believe they are underpaid. I'm sure this is sometimes related to ethnicity, but how often? Who knows? However, I suspect that Asians working in America are most often or most egregiously underpaid by Asian employers.

    I think the author does deserve some slight acknowledgement for admitting that her street-level oppressor was Latino rather than White, but while reading her article, I did wonder how -- as he zoomed by and uttered his epithets -- she could be so sure he was Latino. Could she have been just assuming?

    I am sure that the fact that a Latino person was rude to her is still whites’ fault – since they erected and maintain the system of white supremacy and all. TNC blames the death of a college friend via police shooting on white supremacy, even though the officer involved was black, just like his friend. You regularly see politicians in major cities blame the inability of blacks to stop killing each other on white supremacy as well.

  98. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    Reg, good research and she didn’t mention how poor whites eat possum. Missed a back at you.

  99. @syonredux

    … If black and indigenous people were systematically enslaved, killed and dispossessed of property, the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation.
     
    See, Blacks weren't the only ones who suffered under segregation. All those millions of Chinese who were barred from immigrating to the US were living under Global Jim Crow. Open Borders now!

    every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.
     
    Wait, am I implying that Asian women are being emasculated? Maybe I should specify which sex is experiencing what....Ah, screw it. Let the editor make the call. They've still got those, right?

    The model-minority myth is a lie that silences the structural economic racism Asian-Americans have endured and the intergenerational traumas our families have experienced from years of Western colonialism, wars and invasions.
     
    After all, as we all know, East Asia was a veritable paradise before the Round Eyes came, completely lacking uniquely European horrors like war and imperialism.....

    White supremacy ensures that once the pressure of persecution is lifted even a little from one group, that group will then fall upon the newly targeted group out of relief and out of a frustrated misplaced rage that can never touch, let alone topple, the real enemy. …
    </blockquote

    Remember, the next time you get called an "Asian bitch" by a Latinx, make sure that you direct your rage at YT....
     

     

    The model-minority myth is a lie

    And thus they themselves discard the only vaguely plausible, utilitarian justification for their presence!

  100. @nobodyofnowhere

    Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.
     
    So, why exactly are we to assume that the coronavirus pandemic is responsible for a deliveryman cursing her out when she nearly caused him to crash?

    Systemic racism!

  101. @Art Deco
    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge.


    Well, you have gentry liberals who manufacture strata and appoint themselves the distributors of status.

    Look at the sort of incidents which have generated racial protests in recent years: (1) Michael Brown, who asserted his franchise to appropriate convenience store inventory and then went berserk when a municipal police officer told him he and his pal were not licensed and privileged to walk down the middle of the road as if they owned it (there being a sidewalk right over there); and (2) Trayvon Martin, who quite deliberately walked 75 yards down an alley and attacked a local resident, who was loitering around waiting for a police patrol to arrive. Did you ever get into long tangles with liberals on these incidents? What they take for granted is the franchise (granted by gentry liberals) of feral young blacks to appropriate space contra the wishes of others and beat up people who irritate them. They held a hispanic everyman culpable because he made a phone call to a non-emergency dispatcher about a youth behaving peculiarly, got out of his truck, and walked around his own neighborhood. "Black Lives Matter" is a complaint that people not licensed by gentry liberals have behaved in a manner that is above their station. This is believed by black chauvinists and gentry liberals alike.

    And now look at this. Somebody insulted her in a public place (or so she says, not really buying). Someone was rude to the child of TN Coates on an escalator. For an ordinary person, frictions like these are filed away if not necessarily forgotten. Their complaint is that they are Special People, who should never be subject to insults from peasants.

    Your last paragraph is dead on. Everyone has experiences in which they are treated rudely by some jerk and although it rankles you just have to shrug it off. But in our current woke era, any POC who feels put down is told it’s an event loaded with cultural and political significance. In short, it promotes mental fragility.

    It’s no wonder that such a high percentage of college students report seeking mental health counseling and band together in various groups celebrating their own oppression. They are told this is how to live and react to life, and celebrated for it. Then they get into the workforce and inflict this BS on the rest of us.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @bucky
    This is where the Chinese humiliation comes in.

    The Chinese fundamentally aren't very proud to be Chinese. They do not like being reminded of their Chineseness because Chinese civilization was weak and humiliated. Chinese civilization failed.
  102. @Mr McKenna

    ‘Jeopardy!’ contestant confuses Babe Ruth for Jackie Robinson in cringeworthy mixup

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/jeopardy-contestant-confuses-babe-ruth-for-jackie-robinson/
     

    According to Robert Creamer, Ruth was often chirped for supposedly being part black.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    My first thought, too.
  103. > global segregation

    Steve there’s the problem with your perennially failed word-searches for the dreaded i-m-m-i-…

    They’re not borders, it’s global segregation.
    It’s not immigration, it’s global integration.

    Pretty simple, folks!

    It’s funny to me how try-hard East Asians are at these grifty rhetorical games. Asians generally have no gift for improvisational flair like Blacks and are out-competed on pure verbal baroqueness by their Ashky counterparts.

    Oh, the plight of the high-verbal-intelligence East Asian. One of God’s own prototypes.

  104. @AnotherDad

    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.
     
    The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.

    I think the East Asian characteristic that accounts for most outcomes is ... grinding and conformity. They will "nose to the grindstone" longer on average than whites. Especially with absolutely boring nonsense like SAT cramming. This is the trait that Californians observed in Chinese that energized broad support for exclusion. They'd simply undercut American working men. Work harder/longer for less.

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male--math and spatial skills--but the personality profile--conformity and compliance--skews female. The result is people who do very well in our feminized "sit still in class and do your homework" sty;e schools, particularly in STEM.

    “The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.”

    5-6 points is a lot, and that’s over a mostly N and W Euro white normed 100.

    The Japanese/S. Korean versus Serb/Albanian/Bulgarian white gap is bigger still.

    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”

    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.

    Skews female isn’t completely wrong, however as Steve has noted many times there are two male general personality types: the salesman extrovert verbal people-loving alpha and the introvert mathy nerd who prefers objects. The mathy type is in some ways is the least feminine.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”
     
    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.
     
    Don't see how "skews male"--which you didn't quote--or "skews female" is offensive.

    We all have a mixture of traits that "worked" for both our female and male ancestors.

    I "skew female" in personal empathy and perhaps helpfulness--more than the male average. But i understand it is *personal*. I don't wallow in it, lifetime channel style. And most importantly i don't drag it into the larger world. My high dose of "male systemizer" and male rationality are dominant. I don't see a dead refugee kid on the beach and think that cancels 3000 years of Western Civilization.

    ~~

    I realize "Jewish minoritarianism" can be offensive to Jews and good whites steeped in the official narrative. However, i think it is accurate.

    1) Minoritarianism is real. A distinct ideology: Majorities--oppressive, evil--minorities--struggling, virtuous, good.

    -- I'm old enough to remember the "before time" in the mid-60s. There was a lot of instruction about "prejudice" but minoritarianism was not yet a thing. Whatever King thought, his "I have a Dream" speech had to be pitched on "fair shake" in common culture, not "whitey bad".

    -- Saying multi-culturalism doesn't cut it. First off it's unspecific. It means everything from "restaurants" through "a hodgepodge of cultures" to actual minoritarianism. Because it is intentionally fuzzy saying "multi-culturalism" doesn't do much. We need a name for this nasty "majorities bad" ideology.

    2) It is a Jewish ideology.

    -- It arose with the rise of the Jews.

    -- It was developed and driven by Jews. Lots of minorities clamored aboard, but really black "intelectuals" (ex. TNC) didn't drive anything. They have a few media and academic sinecures and college kids will be forced to read some of their drivel, but they don't dominant media--news, Hollyweird--and academia.

    -- It is clearly, incontrovertibly the ideology of a middle-man minority pursing its self-interest--game theory 101. It's purpose is to delegitimate the majority's right to rule itself--you know that old canard of "majority rule". To "make space" for a middle-man minority to work its way in, gain influence and power, but delegitimate majority self-defense or push-back--delegitimate the majority defending its interests.


    Note: I'm well aware that bringing brains steeped in our minoritarian Orwellian nightmare and hitting them with "Jewish minoritarianism" isn't a winning political strategy. But this is iSteve. I'm not writing speeches for Trump

    Ultimately for the West to survive minoritarianism must be routed. Civilization and minoritarianism are incompatible. We don't destroy it--we're simply handing the world over to the Chinese.

    Jews--post Holocaust--have firewalled off all criticism of Jewish behavior with this "anti-Semitism" nonsense. Essentially, the idea that everyone critical of Jews, Jewish behavior, has some sort of irrational mind virus, rather than simply not liking Jews' actual behavior. Sorry, but all groups--Jews included--have patterns of behavior and some of them are behaviors that other groups don't necessary find pleasant. Or there's simply conflict between group interests. Jews pursue the interests of Jews ... which are *not* in the interest of gentiles--i.e. normal people, (a nation's majority people and culture).

    Too bad for gypsies, they don't have the skills/influence to hop on this train. And declare objection to gypsy behavior to be "anti-Romaism" and off limits to polites society.

    Every group would like this Jewish privilege of outlawing criticism!

    But we can't let it stand and have minoritarianism--yes, "Jewish minoritarianism"--destroy the West.

    Majorties have a right--an absolute right--to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.
  105. @Arclight
    Your last paragraph is dead on. Everyone has experiences in which they are treated rudely by some jerk and although it rankles you just have to shrug it off. But in our current woke era, any POC who feels put down is told it's an event loaded with cultural and political significance. In short, it promotes mental fragility.

    It's no wonder that such a high percentage of college students report seeking mental health counseling and band together in various groups celebrating their own oppression. They are told this is how to live and react to life, and celebrated for it. Then they get into the workforce and inflict this BS on the rest of us.

    This is where the Chinese humiliation comes in.

    The Chinese fundamentally aren’t very proud to be Chinese. They do not like being reminded of their Chineseness because Chinese civilization was weak and humiliated. Chinese civilization failed.

    • Replies: @San Fernando Curt
    I think the narrative has veered to Chinese civilization suffering an interval of Oppression by everyone else, because of envy, greed, and, of course, honkies. There is a growing tone of Chinese superiority in its public institutions, especially its media. It's obvious that's soaking down to the Chinese diaspora. China is in position to attempt a fundamental redesign of world order, and return to its one time, and now rightful grandeur. China's loyal children, at least some of them, break ground for seeding, so that a hundred blossoms may bloom.
  106. I was genuinely afraid, as if there were guards on the rooftops of South Brooklyn watching me through their sniper scopes.

    You mean like this?

    This is a hilarious case of projection. I also love that a Latino bike delivery man yells at her (justifiably for walking out in front of him, by her own admission) and that is whitey’s fault too. The rationalization hamster is strong in this one. Anything not to damage the Coalition of the Fringes.

    BTW, regarding the bikes, what’s going in NY is that all of the delivery guys have (illegal*) electric motors on their delivery bikes which allow them to speed along quickly and silently so unless you maintain a sharp lookout (both ways – they might go the wrong way up your block) you are liable to get run over. We are accustomed to hearing the motor sound of cars as a warning not to walk out in the street and so when we don’t hear any we may walk out as a matter of habit. As she said, jaywalking (crossing in the middle of the block) was always normal in NY but so were cars with audible engines to warn us. BTW, if you see any old footage of NY, jaywalking back in the day was 100x worse – people would just wander from one side of the street to the other seemingly without any attention to what was coming at them. The “Dodgers” are named for “trolley dodgers” because pedestrian navigation in Brooklyn used to involve dodging the trolley traffic.

    But the new normal is these delivery bikes of which there are thousands being delivered by FOB aliens. The last time I was in NY a delivery guy approached me asking where a certain building was and from his question it was clear that he didn’t know that in NY an odd # address indicates the north side of E-W streets, which is something you learn on your 1st day in NY (especially if you are delivery man). So this must have been his zeroth day. Yesterday he was in Baghdad or Bombay or something, today he is a NY deliveryman!

    * there is a name for a bicycle with a motor – it’s called a “motorcycle” and it’s required to be registered and insured, etc. These laws have been on the books for 100+ years.

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    The joys of living in a multi-tribal empire, right.

    Speaking of tribes, it's people like Ms. Hong and the various alphabet soup-named Indians who are the biggest threat to your tribe. I'm shocked that American Jews (and Israelis) aren't more worried about the ascendancy of East Asians and Indians in this country. Those tribes couldn't care less about Israel, and they sure as hell won't be swayed by tales of the Holocaust or pogroms in 19th century Ukraine.

    American Jews tend to play the game better than East Asians and Indians, but they have numbers and are hungrier so it'll be an interesting fight. (Of course, there's also the wild card that these groups often inter-marry so who knows what comes of that.) If I was a Zionist Jew (and God knows that if I was Jewish, I would be a Zionist Jew), I'd be pushing hard to restrict immigration from East Asian and India. But maybe Jews - like gentile whites before them - have gotten soft from being on top.

    Trust me, as someone from a conquered group, it's not much fun to lose power in what was your country.

    Best of luck to you and your people. Someday, we might need each other.
    , @Meretricious

    BTW, if you see any old footage of NY, jaywalking back in the day was 100x worse – people would just wander from one side of the street to the other
     
    Depending on how far back you go, there were few motor vehicles or none at all. Streets used to be legitimate public spaces.

    For thousands of years.

    Asians ride their bikes on the sidewalk. Safer for them, more dangerous for everyone else. Asian mentality.

    , @Stan Adams
    Jaywalking back in the day:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aohXOpKtns0
  107. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters.
     
    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial, not verbal.

    Past data have shown that only at the higher end of the income level are Asians in America on par with whites of their peer income segment in verbal test scores.

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial,

    What evidence are you basing your view on that they are high in visuospatial?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Lynn 2006, pp. 80-97
    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/lynn-race-differences-in-intelligence.pdf
  108. She likes hanging with whitey.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    The character in the top-left corner looks like he just stepped out of a National Front rally circa 1977
    , @William Badwhite
    Wow. She's hideous.
  109. @AnotherDad


    Anytime I brought up an anti-Asian incident, a white person interjected that it was a distraction from the more important issue (and there was always a more important issue). I’ve been conditioned to think my second-class citizenry was low on the scale of oppression and therefore not worth bringing up even though every single Asian-American I know has stories of being emasculated, fetishized, humiliated, underpaid, fired or demoted because of our racial identities.
     
    "Diversity is out greatest strength."

    Jews and Asians (at least East Asians and Indians) are at the very top of the income ladder in the US. But they are nonetheless champions of minoritarian whining as if they are blacks. Oh how they ... suffer.

    The conclusion from this should be obvious: It does not work. Minoritarianism is a cancer.

    Anyone whose brain is not a turnip should hear "diversity is our greatest strength" and bust out laughing. Then when they realize the person is not joking, mock their abject stupidity. That this is not the routine response, shows the sad state of mental, ideological decline that this nation is in.

    Agree, except the part about “this nation.” We are no longer a nation. We are an empire with various peoples living in its territory. Ms. Hong is part of another tribe living in this empire with our tribe. Like all sane people, she’s looking out for herself and her tribe. Good for her.

    Whites should quit crying about other tribes saying mean things about us, organize our own tribe and push back. The other tribes will never – never! – stop bullying us so long as we keep giving them our lunch money.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @fish

    The other tribes will never – never! – stop bullying us so long as we keep giving them our lunch money.
     
    Soon....bloody nose time for racial huckstering tribes! And Whitey gets his bloody nose before any of the others.....time to associate a real cost to virtue signaling.
  110. https://www.the-sun.com/news/689000/illegal-immigrants-california-coronavirus-stimulus-checks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

    OT: ….Steve work harder and pay those taxes. Governor Patrick Bateman is giving away a state stimulus to undocumented immigrants…..

    • Replies: @fish

    OT: ….Steve work harder and pay those taxes. Governor Patrick Bateman is giving away a state stimulus to undocumented immigrants…..
     
    Money well spent.....when things get really dicey financially in a few months Newsome will have permanently disqualified himself from consideration for the White House.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Neo, Oakland started a fund for "undocumented workers" who would not qualify for a stimulus check. Then they used the example of Micala (not her real name) who operates a hot dog cart and has been in Oakland since 1998. So in 22 years Micala never took steps to become a citizen and get a SS number or pay taxes, because a tax filing with the IRS would have qualified her.
  111. @Jack D

    I was genuinely afraid, as if there were guards on the rooftops of South Brooklyn watching me through their sniper scopes.
     
    You mean like this?

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/175/667/7ad.jpg

    This is a hilarious case of projection. I also love that a Latino bike delivery man yells at her (justifiably for walking out in front of him, by her own admission) and that is whitey's fault too. The rationalization hamster is strong in this one. Anything not to damage the Coalition of the Fringes.

    BTW, regarding the bikes, what's going in NY is that all of the delivery guys have (illegal*) electric motors on their delivery bikes which allow them to speed along quickly and silently so unless you maintain a sharp lookout (both ways - they might go the wrong way up your block) you are liable to get run over. We are accustomed to hearing the motor sound of cars as a warning not to walk out in the street and so when we don't hear any we may walk out as a matter of habit. As she said, jaywalking (crossing in the middle of the block) was always normal in NY but so were cars with audible engines to warn us. BTW, if you see any old footage of NY, jaywalking back in the day was 100x worse - people would just wander from one side of the street to the other seemingly without any attention to what was coming at them. The "Dodgers" are named for "trolley dodgers" because pedestrian navigation in Brooklyn used to involve dodging the trolley traffic.

    But the new normal is these delivery bikes of which there are thousands being delivered by FOB aliens. The last time I was in NY a delivery guy approached me asking where a certain building was and from his question it was clear that he didn't know that in NY an odd # address indicates the north side of E-W streets, which is something you learn on your 1st day in NY (especially if you are delivery man). So this must have been his zeroth day. Yesterday he was in Baghdad or Bombay or something, today he is a NY deliveryman!

    * there is a name for a bicycle with a motor - it's called a "motorcycle" and it's required to be registered and insured, etc. These laws have been on the books for 100+ years.

    The joys of living in a multi-tribal empire, right.

    Speaking of tribes, it’s people like Ms. Hong and the various alphabet soup-named Indians who are the biggest threat to your tribe. I’m shocked that American Jews (and Israelis) aren’t more worried about the ascendancy of East Asians and Indians in this country. Those tribes couldn’t care less about Israel, and they sure as hell won’t be swayed by tales of the Holocaust or pogroms in 19th century Ukraine.

    American Jews tend to play the game better than East Asians and Indians, but they have numbers and are hungrier so it’ll be an interesting fight. (Of course, there’s also the wild card that these groups often inter-marry so who knows what comes of that.) If I was a Zionist Jew (and God knows that if I was Jewish, I would be a Zionist Jew), I’d be pushing hard to restrict immigration from East Asian and India. But maybe Jews – like gentile whites before them – have gotten soft from being on top.

    Trust me, as someone from a conquered group, it’s not much fun to lose power in what was your country.

    Best of luck to you and your people. Someday, we might need each other.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Very little intermarriage between Jews and dot Indians but plenty between Jews and North East Asians (at least in NYC)!
    , @PiltdownMan

    Of course, there’s also the wild card that these groups often inter-marry so who knows what comes of that.
     
    Now that you mention it, I wonder what the rate of in-ethnicity marriage is, for South and East Asians? Thinking back on the New York Times wedding notices, I can't think of one in which both husband and wife were both Asian. Of course, that may be an artifact arising from the types of marriages the New York Times documents, but again, in real life, I don't think I've ever encountered any all-Asian couples where both partners were born here.

    Not that I'm working from a large sample size.
  112. @AnotherDad
    No argument on the data. Though the "low" 60k of Koreans is still at the US national average household income.

    I think a key variable here is how many are immigrants and then the selectivity of the immigration. Indians are recent, but their immigration has been highly selective. (I know a lot of Indians from grad school and my career in tech.) Upper caste--Brahmin or merchant--and the vast majority coming with college degrees. Filipinos in general have been here longer, or recent immigrants (like nurses) come with degrees. And Japanese--basically there are almost no new immigrants--most in the workforce are 3rd or 4th generation now. In contrast Chinese and Koreans have a great proportion of immigrants and much less selective immigration (especially in years past) than the Indians. As their older immigrants die off, these numbers will change.

    But the bottom line here, it's only the jungly-ist of jungle Asians who are doing worse than median American. And by 2nd generation all the Indian and East Asians are more economically successful than white Americans. Our "racism" apparently isn't doing much good.

    I think a key variable here is how many are immigrants and then the selectivity of the immigration.

    Some months back, I wrote a whole series of comments that elaborated upon immigration selectivity by education among those from Asia (I used data from Pew). Did you read those at all?

  113. @Art Deco
    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge.


    Well, you have gentry liberals who manufacture strata and appoint themselves the distributors of status.

    Look at the sort of incidents which have generated racial protests in recent years: (1) Michael Brown, who asserted his franchise to appropriate convenience store inventory and then went berserk when a municipal police officer told him he and his pal were not licensed and privileged to walk down the middle of the road as if they owned it (there being a sidewalk right over there); and (2) Trayvon Martin, who quite deliberately walked 75 yards down an alley and attacked a local resident, who was loitering around waiting for a police patrol to arrive. Did you ever get into long tangles with liberals on these incidents? What they take for granted is the franchise (granted by gentry liberals) of feral young blacks to appropriate space contra the wishes of others and beat up people who irritate them. They held a hispanic everyman culpable because he made a phone call to a non-emergency dispatcher about a youth behaving peculiarly, got out of his truck, and walked around his own neighborhood. "Black Lives Matter" is a complaint that people not licensed by gentry liberals have behaved in a manner that is above their station. This is believed by black chauvinists and gentry liberals alike.

    And now look at this. Somebody insulted her in a public place (or so she says, not really buying). Someone was rude to the child of TN Coates on an escalator. For an ordinary person, frictions like these are filed away if not necessarily forgotten. Their complaint is that they are Special People, who should never be subject to insults from peasants.

    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.

    This is very explicit – “We wuz kangs”. We wuz temporarily embarrassed kangs but now we are now re-asserting our hereditary royal privileges. Interactions between royalty and peons are not symmetrical – you bow to the prince, the prince does not bow to you. Royal privileges do not arise spontaneously – you assert them and if you have the ability to enforce them thru violence they become permanent and real, otherwise you have to back off. Brown and Martin were both testing the limits of their newfound royal privileges and just took them a little too far. In other cities (Baltimore) blacks tested their privileges (e.g. the right to hold duels among royalty) and found that they could in fact enforce them.

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.

    • Replies: @fish

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.
     
    Firm but fair!
    , @Kent Nationalist
    That's not really a correct analysis because they still mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions which no-one in power really cares about improving. They're privileges are only relative to harming white people.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.
     
    Yeah, right, blacks are our new royalty.

    That's why statehouses around the country are moving to outlaw criticism of Nigeria or political activism against the policies of Botswana.
    , @Arclight
    It's more a function of the woke mythologizing blacks to the point that in a perfect racism-free world they would actually be at least as good at whites in all respects. That they are not in any given area is just taken as evidence of the perniciousness and all-embracing nature of white supremacy, so they are not in any way responsible for any shortcomings, ever.

    This is not the way most ordinary black people think in my experience, but it is how the black and white progressives that have a death grip on the media, academia, and big city politics think. They are making a determined push to make this the baseline assumption for everyone, hence the 1619 Project and the sprouting of diversity and inclusion/anti-racism trainers that increasing numbers of businesses and governments are bullied into hiring.

    In related news, the Queen of the 1619 Project asserted the other day that the MI protests against lockdowns were not in fact about people being tired of penned up in their homes, but because racist whites heard that blacks are more susceptible to the coronavirus and easing social distancing means more of them would be out and about and thus get sick and die.
  114. “It feels like February again in the New York Times Magazine, with Korean-American lady writers milking their Google searches for anti-Chinese incidents for all they are worth.”

    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters? I would say you are just as obsessed as these womyn, Mr. Sailer.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @anon
    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters?

    So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?
    , @Patrick in SC
    Wrong. As usual.

    Let me explain to you the difference.

    You obviously get awfully touchy when Steve points out the absurd bigotry in columns like this. And don't say this column is a just a "one off" thing. Review the history of this blog for the last 6 months. You just can't stand how this stuff makes leftists like you look ridiculous. You try and deflect it by saying, "Nobody really thinks like this or takes this stuff seriously."

    Really?

    Then why is this in the New York Times?

    Let me repeat that for you: WHY IS THIS IN THE NEW YORK TIMES?

    Well?

    Obviously, the people who run that news source and have editorial control think this is interesting and/or important. If not, then why did they run it? You gonna claim it's a conspiracy to get clicks from far right blogs? You gonna claim they run equally crazy right wing stuff in alternation with crazy liberal stuff?

    Bwahahahaha. That just doesn't pass the laugh test.

    Th point: It's not just some guy with a blog. It's one of the most influential mouthpieces for leftists, along with The Guardian, The Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, and about 80% of the so called "mainstream media."

    More importantly, it's also standard talking points for practically every liberal arts department in America and a good many human resources departments in mid-sized to major corporations. Yes, a majority of people don't take this crap seriously, but you don't need a majority of anything to run things or to line your pockets. That's why we call them "elites." They ain't "normies." But they are stupid, corrupt, and evil bigots, and have far more influence in the mass media, corporate world, and on college campuses than they ought to, and that's why Steve pointing out this kind of stuff in your leftist trade papers is important.

    Or do you deny that "diversity training" and affirmative action are real or that these policies don't spring from, and get their inspiration from, crap like this editorial?

    Do you?

    And where do you think this woman got these ideas? Is she just a crank who dreamed this stuff up on her own and then by pure chance found herself on the NY Times editorial page?


    You are free to start your own blog and post stuff from the Daily Stormer and explain to everyone how incredibly influential that website is. Be our guest.
    , @fish
    Good lord but you're a tiresome tit Corvirus!
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Corvi, actually articles, op eds, like this exist in many newspapers. The Buffalo News has an "Urban Editor" who stirs the pot for WNY. Cleveland.com also has one. Often the Buffalo News, NYT Lite, publishes NYT op eds to remind us of our failings. Steve provides my daily dose of agita.
  115. @Jack D
    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.

    This is very explicit - "We wuz kangs". We wuz temporarily embarrassed kangs but now we are now re-asserting our hereditary royal privileges. Interactions between royalty and peons are not symmetrical - you bow to the prince, the prince does not bow to you. Royal privileges do not arise spontaneously - you assert them and if you have the ability to enforce them thru violence they become permanent and real, otherwise you have to back off. Brown and Martin were both testing the limits of their newfound royal privileges and just took them a little too far. In other cities (Baltimore) blacks tested their privileges (e.g. the right to hold duels among royalty) and found that they could in fact enforce them.

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.

    Firm but fair!

    • LOL: Meretricious
  116. @Buffalo Joe
    In lock down you really dig into the book shelf. Up now, 'The Pacific War, 1931-1945' by Saburo Ienaga a professor of Japanese history. In setting the stage for his book he walks you through Asian history. First the Japanese idolized the Chinese, and hated the Koreans. Then they hated the Chinese, Manchurians, Mongols and the Koreans, not to mention everyone else in Southeast Asia. He quotes a Korean who was brought to Japan, at age three, with his day laborer family and attended school with Japanese students. He said he was mocked daily and told his lunches stunk to the point where he no longer took a lunch to school. Wait, didn't we just hear that from a Indian op ed writer at the Times? Anyhow, I think the Latino bicyclist was pretty observant.

    He said he was mocked daily and told his lunches stunk to the point where he no longer took a lunch to school. Wait, didn’t we just hear that from a Indian op ed writer at the Times?

    Every immigrant group on earth has experienced this. Italians supposedly reeked of garlic and salami (Jews reeked of garlic and KOSHER salami). If Japanese immigrated to Korea, they would have been mocked for eating natto (fermented soy beans) which also stink. Humans are tribal by nature and kids naturally want to enforce tribal norms. You have to be edjumacated to be accepting of those who are “different”.

    If you are a kid from an immigrant group, you have to make a choice Either you take the path of assimilation and give up your stinky ethnic food in exchange for being accepted by the group, or else you can stick to your kimchi at the price of rejection by the other kids, or else you can beg your parents to take you back to your home country where you’ll be poor and uneducated but at least no one will question your lunch choices ( for some reason #3 never happens). But don’t expect that the popular kids are going to let you sit at their table with that stinky stuff that makes them gag. One or the other but you can’t have it both ways.

    But the modern convention is choice #4 – you stew about it for the next 20 years and then write op eds in which you express your seething hatred of your new country.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, my mother sent me to my mostly Polish HS school with eggplant parm sandwiches on home made Italian bread. That is now a staple at most sub shops around here. And I remember "harps" from South Buffalo calling me a garlic snapper. Can't remember the last time some one said "Let's go out for Irish tonight." Thanks for the reply. Stay Safe.
    , @J.Ross
    >kosher salami

    ... made with beef?
  117. @Jack D
    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.

    This is very explicit - "We wuz kangs". We wuz temporarily embarrassed kangs but now we are now re-asserting our hereditary royal privileges. Interactions between royalty and peons are not symmetrical - you bow to the prince, the prince does not bow to you. Royal privileges do not arise spontaneously - you assert them and if you have the ability to enforce them thru violence they become permanent and real, otherwise you have to back off. Brown and Martin were both testing the limits of their newfound royal privileges and just took them a little too far. In other cities (Baltimore) blacks tested their privileges (e.g. the right to hold duels among royalty) and found that they could in fact enforce them.

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.

    That’s not really a correct analysis because they still mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions which no-one in power really cares about improving. They’re privileges are only relative to harming white people.

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions”

    Maybe in Kent. US blacks mostly live in perfectly nice apartments or houses with functional modern amenities. Probably the US black objective material standard of living exceeds the average white European when all of Eastern Europe is included.

    I’d guess the average black american over 65 gets about $30,000 in social security, Medicare, and often a pension. That’s higher than the per capita GDP in a lot of the developed first world.
    , @Art Deco
    Personal income per capital among black Americans is about 35% lower than that of the rest of the population, or (in real terms) roughly similar to that of non-blacks ca. 1997 or what prevails in Spain today. The life expectancy of the black population today is similar to that of the non-black population at that time as well. Employment-to-population ratios have typically been about 10% lower than for the non-black population, but until the recent shut-downs, blacks had pulled almost even on this metric. In terms of compensation and occupational status, the 75th percentile of the black workforce is around about the 50th percentile of the whole workf0rce. Close to half the black population have very meh hourly jobs of the sort most people do not hold past age 30 unless they need an easy-to-ditch family income supplement.

    The big difference in living conditions is that > 40% of the black population lives in urban zones with horrendous rates of violent crime and associated disorder in schools. The retail trade in such places is sparse and the built environment is typically shabby, though this last is less pronounced than it was 50 years ago.
  118. @AnotherDad

    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.
     
    The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.

    I think the East Asian characteristic that accounts for most outcomes is ... grinding and conformity. They will "nose to the grindstone" longer on average than whites. Especially with absolutely boring nonsense like SAT cramming. This is the trait that Californians observed in Chinese that energized broad support for exclusion. They'd simply undercut American working men. Work harder/longer for less.

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male--math and spatial skills--but the personality profile--conformity and compliance--skews female. The result is people who do very well in our feminized "sit still in class and do your homework" sty;e schools, particularly in STEM.

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male–math and spatial skills–but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.

    That’s an observation that rings true. Confuscian conformity and hard work seem to be their defining cultural characteristics.

    Conformity is probably why East Asians tend to be Democrats. It’s just the respectable thing among respectable people in the blue states where they mostly live.

    The Korean chick who wrote the hate whitey article is basically just saying what her professor wants to hear in order to get an “A” on her paper.

    • Agree: Meretricious
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >Conformity is probably why East Asians tend to be Democrats.

    Older generations of certain East Asian groups tend to be very, very staunchly Republican. Vietnamese are a strong example of this generational divide. In their case, apart from the obvious historical reasons making the Democrats anathema, most are social conservatives (many belonged to South Vietnam's Catholic minority), many were small business owners (Nguyen Ngoc Loan opened a pizzeria in the DC area after he arrived in the US), the kind of profile that tends to fit Republican voters.

    Why do younger Americans of East Asian extraction support Democrats? I'm sure the Hate Whitey sentiment has taken off among some in a generation marinated in political correctness since grade school, along with rising secular and social liberal attitudes, and the fact that our generation has a submissive attitude toward perceived authority. But generally, I don't think it has to do with traditional Confucian conformity, considering how Americanized many of these kids are, for better or for worse. I think it is the same reason that young people tend to be pro-Democratic in general: the Republican Party's economic message (Trump's personality does not help, particularly with the educated) is a tough sell for a generation that expects to be worse off than their parents, with little they can realistically do to change that.

    Trump had the option of changing that, but he chose to go with the Mnuchin crowd over the Bannon crowd, tax cuts for billionaires over populism, so count my sympathy toward the GOP limited.

    , @J.Ross
    Agree, and good education metaphor: that's probably what it is, they're lefties because that's what they were taught to be at college. Maybe one day Republicans will fight back.
  119. I highly recommend today’s post at the Zman blog, entitled A Bridge Too Far. It’s central rhetorical question is if the constant asian sjw bitching about how, sob, horribly they are treated due to YT’s raycism may, in fact be a bridge too far.

    http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=20247

  120. @Arclight
    I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity. Not the first one picked when dividing up teams for basketball on the playground, I would believe that.

    At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge. Rather than advocate behavior that would naturally improve outcomes for their preferred group, they just insist whites need to lay down so others can step into their places and claim this will benefit everyone, even the displaced whites.

    The current Corona pandemic is demonstrating it's dangerous at a national level to put yourself in a position in which your safety/security is in the hands of people who do not necessarily have the same interests or concerns as your own. I think this will subtly work into the minds of some of the American population when it comes to domestic politics - and perhaps bowing to racial demands of others might not work out so well for you and yours, no matter how many assurances you get that it makes 'us' stronger.

    “At the end of the day, the current race hustle comes down to envy and a desire to be in charge.”

    Including the white race hustlers?

  121. @Jack D
    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.

    This is very explicit - "We wuz kangs". We wuz temporarily embarrassed kangs but now we are now re-asserting our hereditary royal privileges. Interactions between royalty and peons are not symmetrical - you bow to the prince, the prince does not bow to you. Royal privileges do not arise spontaneously - you assert them and if you have the ability to enforce them thru violence they become permanent and real, otherwise you have to back off. Brown and Martin were both testing the limits of their newfound royal privileges and just took them a little too far. In other cities (Baltimore) blacks tested their privileges (e.g. the right to hold duels among royalty) and found that they could in fact enforce them.

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.

    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.

    Yeah, right, blacks are our new royalty.

    That’s why statehouses around the country are moving to outlaw criticism of Nigeria or political activism against the policies of Botswana.

    • LOL: Meretricious
  122. When a coronavirus-related racist incident happened to me, the perpetrator wasn’t white. Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by. I wasn’t filled with hot rage or a hurt that cut me to the bone. I was just rattled and then sad.

    She is upset because the deliveryman she almost collided with while jaywalking called her “bitch”? Oh, no, it was the “chinese” part she objected to, despite the fact that she noticed that he is “latino”.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    There is a hilarious scene in the movie The Gentlemen (highly recommended) where Colin Farrel is talking to one of his fighters who is complaining that another fighter called him a "black cunt".

    Colin says, "You're black, right?" "Right." "And you're a cunt, right?" "Right." "So you see that's not racist, it's just the truth."

    Will be at Redbox real soon. Best movie since Ford Vs. Ferrari.

    https://www.thegentlemen.movie/

  123. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation…

    Wow. “Global segregation.” It’s almost like there is a different nation for each nationality. The horror!

    • Replies: @Anon
    Innocent victims fighting back against the global apartheid structure. Everybody on Earth has the right to abide in the land that is fair and bright. It’s just like poor little kittens being fenced off from the goodness and warmth of their mother’s belly.

    https://forskning.ruc.dk/en/publications/racism-global-apartheid-and-disobedient-mobilities-the-politics-o


    In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
    There's a land that's fair and bright,
    Where the handouts grow on bushes
    And you sleep out every night
    Where the boxcars all are empty
    And the sun shines every day
    On the birds and the bees
    And the cigarette trees
    The lemonade springs
    Where the bluebird sings
    In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
  124. This is what I call the women’s Culture of Complaint. As in “I can’t believe he called me a Chinese bitch.”

    Men have a Culture of Insult. As in “Chinese bitch!”

    Once you understand that, the whole world comes into focus.

    For years I wondered if I was just making this up. Then I reread George Eliot’s Adam Bede. It starts with the male carpenters insulting each other. Next up is Adam’s mother whining and complaining.

    If My Girl Georgie Porgie, the cleverest woman in England, knew this 150 years ago, then it is “settled science.”

    • Replies: @SOL
    Women love being indignant about something and the drama they cause.
  125. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    This is weird. IME East Asian girls like White Men a lot IRL. Yet on web, they whine about White people. They seem to want to be around us, esp articulate, cultured, middle class Nordic types. Not complaining.

    Strangely, seems to be OK to make fun of Oriental Men, yet a taboo to criticize the much less civil / attractive / cultured / law-abiding black man!

    What they’re doing is called deflection. These Asian women bad mouth whites in the hope keeping all the other women away from the available white guys so they themselves can snag a white man. It’s a Darwinian tactic.

    Someone needs to publish pictures of all the Asian women complaining about white men who’ve actually married one. It’s a long list.

    • Replies: @res

    What they’re doing is called deflection. These Asian women bad mouth whites in the hope keeping all the other women away from the available white guys so they themselves can snag a white man. It’s a Darwinian tactic.

    Someone needs to publish pictures of all the Asian women complaining about white men who’ve actually married one. It’s a long list.
     
    Makes me wonder if the deflection is actually them redirecting negative emotions towards their spouse at white men in general.
  126. At least she had the decency to include the detail that the person who verbally abused her was a Latino, she could have just left that description out and let the reader assume it was an evil White person.

    That being said, I think many Chinese will increase their destabilising efforts in the coming years. As China grows and America declines, they will have the privilege of getting to pick a side, and it is obvious they will pick China. I personally have noticed an uptick in pro-China sentiment amongst the diaspora recently, this could be due to the recent rise of identity politics and populism, this coronavirus panic is also serving as a bonding glue for Cbinese as outside attacks on their ancestral homelands make them more racially conscious, much like Muslim consciousness increased after 9/11.

    America at this point is pretty much done for. One can only hope something good will rise out of the ashes and this time they will lead the importance of ethnic nationalism, same goes for other White countries.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    Will they? I find it hard to believe. Yes, attacks on random Chinese people are unjustified, but attacks on the Chinese communist party are completely justified. Will Chinese people really identify, emotionally, with the party?
  127. @John Derbyshire

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether
     
    No they weren't. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether

    No they weren’t. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    Yup:

    In Shanghai, May-ling attended the McTyeire School for Girls with her sister, Ching-ling. Their father, who had studied in the United States, arranged to have them continue their education in the US in 1907. May-ling and Ching-ling attended a private school in Summit, New Jersey. In 1908, Ching-ling was accepted by her sister Ai-ling’s alma mater, Wesleyan College, at age 15 and both sisters moved to Macon, Georgia, to join Ai-ling. However, she could not get permission to stay on campus as a family member nor could she be a student because she was too young.[citation needed] May-ling spent the year in Demorest, Georgia, with Ai-ling’s Wesleyan friend, Blanche Moss, who enrolled May-ling as an 8th grader at Piedmont College. In 1909, Wesleyan’s newly appointed president, William Newman Ainsworth, gave her permission to stay at Wesleyan and assigned her tutors. She briefly attended Fairmount College in Monteagle, Tennessee in 1910.[6][7]

    May-ling was officially registered as a freshman at Wesleyan in 1912 at the age of 15. She then transferred to Wellesley College two years later to be closer to her older brother, T. V., who, at the time, was studying at Harvard. By then, both her sisters had graduated and returned to Shanghai. She graduated from Wellesley as one of the 33 “Durant Scholars” on June 19, 1917, with a major in English literature and minor in philosophy. She was also a member of Tau Zeta Epsilon, Wellesley’s Arts and Music Society. As a result of being educated in English all her life, she spoke excellent English, with a pronounced Georgia accent which helped her connect with American audiences.[8]

    ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soong_Mei-ling

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YGujL7Phbk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCmFEe2U9Zo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTe7nnOCrxU
    , @Abe
    Americans have had a relationship/love affair with the Chinese going back a long time now- remember that by the start of WWII there had been almost a century of American missionary work there, with some Americans belonging to 3rd generation China-born expat families. Regrettably I think America’s power elite understand China far LESS than it did almost 100 years ago, both through willful woke obscurantism, as well as the various griftings of our new Asian-American power elite wannabes.

    Wikipedia is just a treasure- for example, was link-hoping one day and found the entry for Chinese-American actress (going back to the silent-era) Anna May Wong:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_May_Wong

    Also there used to be a whole fashion magazine published for the Chinese/Chinese-American glamour set in the 20’s (cute volleyball player coeds!)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Companion#Gallery

    I don’t know which is sadder- that these first plantings of beauty, modernity, and happiness in China would be burned to the ground first by the Japanese and second by Mao, or that the pretty and convivial face of Chinese-America is now a bunch of resentful, overeducated, frumpy former yearbook committee queens.

  128. @Art Deco
    Not very attractive. And sloppy.

    We haven’t heard from the extremely neat and attractive Amy Chua about all this. I’d love to.

    57 and looks 30, at least in photos.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    I expect her perspective on her own experience of life in America would be different, regardless, as she appears to be, by temperament, a different kind of person.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yeah but wait'll Amy turns 82.
  129. @Dumbo

    Cathy Park Hong’s book of essays, “Minor Feelings: An Asian American Reckoning” was published in February 2020 by One World/Penguin Random House.
     
    Penguin Random House is a major editor. While good writers struggle to find publishers, this "Chinese bitch" gets published by a major company. But I have to wonder, who actually buys and reads this crap? Or is it published at a loss?

    You can bet the acquisitions editor was either Jewish or Asian, most likely the former. They’re always on the lookout for grievance memoirs because they have an agenda they want to push.

  130. Someone should remind this whiny broad of how China’s treating blacks right now.

    https://leakreality.com/video/1375/black-people-evicted-from-their-homes-in-china

    This is the same regime the Times is bending over backwards to defend. “Muh decisive Corona response.”

  131. [xylophone tones]
    Attention everyone, here is an announcement from the principal of the Clark County school district.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=S4AXHTdl1Ss

  132. At least she admitted that it wasn’t a white person who “committed a hate-crime” against her.

    Which they usually FORGET to admit.

  133. After reading this screed,my only response is a quote by a wise man: Chinese Bitch!
    In this case,the term can be accurately used either as a noun or verb!

  134. @peterike
    She likes hanging with whitey.

    http://www.artloversnewyork.com/zine/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/JOE-WINTER-CATHY-PARK-HONG.jpg

    The character in the top-left corner looks like he just stepped out of a National Front rally circa 1977

  135. @John Derbyshire

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether
     
    No they weren't. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    Thank you.

    That random hysterical idiots and not Steve and Derb can contribute to the NYT op-ed page is a continuous scandal.

    Three cheers for Craig Newmark of craigslist for delivering the single biggest blow to the newspaper industry!

    • Agree: ic1000
  136. @Jim Christian

    Yup. I’m willing to bet this author is a plainer jane Asian chick–or ugly– who got all jealous when she saw hot white guys not having yellow fever for her,
     
    You decide, heh..Here's Hong:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Cathyparkhong008.JPG/220px-Cathyparkhong008.JPG

    Yup. Nailed it.

    Because no one would nail her.

    • Replies: @Kim

    Because no one would nail her.
     
    There are tens of millions of guys who would nail her....if they were sure she would go away afterwards.
  137. I’M ABOUT TO CONCILIATE YOU RIGHT IN THE MOUTH

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/technology/joe-biden-internet.html

    tldr The Internet is all emotion, as opposed to, say, a communications network with authoritative databases and archives which enables instant claim checking, whereas Our Guy Joe is a conciliatory healing crawling brain, and so he just “looks bad online.”

  138. @Corvinus
    "It feels like February again in the New York Times Magazine, with Korean-American lady writers milking their Google searches for anti-Chinese incidents for all they are worth."

    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters? I would say you are just as obsessed as these womyn, Mr. Sailer.

    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters?

    So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?"

    He can write about what he wants. The point is that he is writing about nonsense in the same way that the NYT author is writing about nonsense. Normies have more important things to attend to.
  139. @Mr McKenna

    ‘Jeopardy!’ contestant confuses Babe Ruth for Jackie Robinson in cringeworthy mixup

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/15/jeopardy-contestant-confuses-babe-ruth-for-jackie-robinson/
     

    Asian chick gets it wrong; black guy gets it right. Surprise, surprise.

  140. @Kent Nationalist
    That's not really a correct analysis because they still mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions which no-one in power really cares about improving. They're privileges are only relative to harming white people.

    “ mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions”

    Maybe in Kent. US blacks mostly live in perfectly nice apartments or houses with functional modern amenities. Probably the US black objective material standard of living exceeds the average white European when all of Eastern Europe is included.

    I’d guess the average black american over 65 gets about $30,000 in social security, Medicare, and often a pension. That’s higher than the per capita GDP in a lot of the developed first world.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    And before that, they often get free or almost free public housing (or Section 8 rent subsidies), free food (food stamps and free school breakfasts and lunches), free medical care (Medicaid or just show up at the nearest emergency room), free pubic education, etc. This list of free stuff that black people in America get is endless, especially compared to Africa where they get nothing.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    I’d guess the average black american over 65 gets about $30,000 in social security,...
     
    I know people who get $30k+ in SS and none of them are black. All had long work histories of making big $.

    The max SS benefit at full retirement age is about $3k or $36k a year (https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102814/what-maximum-i-can-receive-my-social-security-retirement-benefit.asp)

    More likely is people like my mother-in-law who worked spordically at low wage jobs, and often off the books, who get $700 a month.
  141. @syonredux

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether

    No they weren’t. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

     

    Yup:

    In Shanghai, May-ling attended the McTyeire School for Girls with her sister, Ching-ling. Their father, who had studied in the United States, arranged to have them continue their education in the US in 1907. May-ling and Ching-ling attended a private school in Summit, New Jersey. In 1908, Ching-ling was accepted by her sister Ai-ling's alma mater, Wesleyan College, at age 15 and both sisters moved to Macon, Georgia, to join Ai-ling. However, she could not get permission to stay on campus as a family member nor could she be a student because she was too young.[citation needed] May-ling spent the year in Demorest, Georgia, with Ai-ling's Wesleyan friend, Blanche Moss, who enrolled May-ling as an 8th grader at Piedmont College. In 1909, Wesleyan's newly appointed president, William Newman Ainsworth, gave her permission to stay at Wesleyan and assigned her tutors. She briefly attended Fairmount College in Monteagle, Tennessee in 1910.[6][7]
     

    May-ling was officially registered as a freshman at Wesleyan in 1912 at the age of 15. She then transferred to Wellesley College two years later to be closer to her older brother, T. V., who, at the time, was studying at Harvard. By then, both her sisters had graduated and returned to Shanghai. She graduated from Wellesley as one of the 33 "Durant Scholars" on June 19, 1917, with a major in English literature and minor in philosophy. She was also a member of Tau Zeta Epsilon, Wellesley's Arts and Music Society. As a result of being educated in English all her life, she spoke excellent English, with a pronounced Georgia accent which helped her connect with American audiences.[8]
     
    ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soong_Mei-ling

  142. Anything named “The New York Times” or anything associated to it, needs to be burnt to the ground, and firefighters need to keep their social distance until it’s all over and the brief displeasing interlude of cries of anguish has passed and been replaced by a relaxing calm.

  143. @Anon
    What they're doing is called deflection. These Asian women bad mouth whites in the hope keeping all the other women away from the available white guys so they themselves can snag a white man. It's a Darwinian tactic.

    Someone needs to publish pictures of all the Asian women complaining about white men who've actually married one. It's a long list.

    What they’re doing is called deflection. These Asian women bad mouth whites in the hope keeping all the other women away from the available white guys so they themselves can snag a white man. It’s a Darwinian tactic.

    Someone needs to publish pictures of all the Asian women complaining about white men who’ve actually married one. It’s a long list.

    Makes me wonder if the deflection is actually them redirecting negative emotions towards their spouse at white men in general.

  144. Whitey finally getting what he deserves, which is the need to give foreigners the clap:

    ‘Clap for carers’ is an expression of unity, #YouClapForMeNow is divisive drivel with an uncalled-for racial message

    A video has been doing the rounds on Twitter. Rarely is this a good thing, normally it means someone has been filmed doing something they shouldn’t, or, as is the case in this instance, there is some sanctimonious, lefty political point-scoring going on. #YouClapForMeNow trended all day on Wednesday in Britain and, at the time of writing, has been tweeted and retweeted more than 73,000 times. The hashtag accompanies a video which features people of a variety of races and creeds reading out a poem by a chap called Darren James Smith. Over the course of two excruciating minutes and 12 interminable seconds, the verse is delivered somberly by key workers staring down the barrel of the camera. Their message? “Thank me, bigot!”

  145. @George
    "I suddenly realized that I could be spreading stereotypes about Chinese people. "

    Maybe ethnic taunts would go a long way to protecting pangolins and rhinoceroses? In European history insulting the ways of peasants was used to end superstition and other negative attributes associated with peasantry.

    “It’s used for medicinal purposes.”

    I wonder if that is a direct translation from Chinese to English. In European culture a distinction is made between real medicine and folk/alternative/pseudo/quack medicine. When Chinese refer to their own Traditional Chinese medicine do they use the same term as they use for modern/real/scientific medicine?

    The wikipedia article does not include the Chinese characters for Traditional Chinese Medicine possibly because they use the same expression for 'real' medicine.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine

    I have seen different characters used for Western Medicine (Xi Yao) than for Chinese herbal medicine

  146. @Corvinus
    "It feels like February again in the New York Times Magazine, with Korean-American lady writers milking their Google searches for anti-Chinese incidents for all they are worth."

    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters? I would say you are just as obsessed as these womyn, Mr. Sailer.

    Wrong. As usual.

    Let me explain to you the difference.

    You obviously get awfully touchy when Steve points out the absurd bigotry in columns like this. And don’t say this column is a just a “one off” thing. Review the history of this blog for the last 6 months. You just can’t stand how this stuff makes leftists like you look ridiculous. You try and deflect it by saying, “Nobody really thinks like this or takes this stuff seriously.”

    Really?

    Then why is this in the New York Times?

    Let me repeat that for you: WHY IS THIS IN THE NEW YORK TIMES?

    Well?

    Obviously, the people who run that news source and have editorial control think this is interesting and/or important. If not, then why did they run it? You gonna claim it’s a conspiracy to get clicks from far right blogs? You gonna claim they run equally crazy right wing stuff in alternation with crazy liberal stuff?

    Bwahahahaha. That just doesn’t pass the laugh test.

    Th point: It’s not just some guy with a blog. It’s one of the most influential mouthpieces for leftists, along with The Guardian, The Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, and about 80% of the so called “mainstream media.”

    More importantly, it’s also standard talking points for practically every liberal arts department in America and a good many human resources departments in mid-sized to major corporations. Yes, a majority of people don’t take this crap seriously, but you don’t need a majority of anything to run things or to line your pockets. That’s why we call them “elites.” They ain’t “normies.” But they are stupid, corrupt, and evil bigots, and have far more influence in the mass media, corporate world, and on college campuses than they ought to, and that’s why Steve pointing out this kind of stuff in your leftist trade papers is important.

    Or do you deny that “diversity training” and affirmative action are real or that these policies don’t spring from, and get their inspiration from, crap like this editorial?

    Do you?

    And where do you think this woman got these ideas? Is she just a crank who dreamed this stuff up on her own and then by pure chance found herself on the NY Times editorial page?

    You are free to start your own blog and post stuff from the Daily Stormer and explain to everyone how incredibly influential that website is. Be our guest.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You obviously get awfully touchy when Steve points out the absurd bigotry in columns like this."

    Not getting "awfully touchy", just NOTICING that most normies have never heard of Cathy Park Hong and are

    "You try and deflect it by saying, “Nobody really thinks like this or takes this stuff seriously.”

    I'm saying the average American has little time for trivial things like what the author is screeching about. Now, you are certainly a "somebody" who thinks about, right? Go right ahead. Seems like a waste of time.

    "Obviously, the people who run that news source and have editorial control think this is interesting and/or important. If not, then why did they run it?"

    Because they have a number of audiences to cater to. It's that elementary, my dear Watson. And while it may appear in the paper or in digital form, it does mean its readership is automatically drawn to it, or are certain to read it.

    "More importantly, it’s also standard talking points for practically every liberal arts department in America and a good many human resources departments in mid-sized to major corporations."

    That is an overgeneralization on your part.

    "But they are stupid, corrupt, and evil bigots, and have far more influence in the mass media, corporate world, and on college campuses than they ought to..."

    First, according to Who/Whom? Second, if you are frustrated with this influence, what are you doing about it to curb it?

    "Or do you deny that “diversity training” and affirmative action are real or that these policies don’t spring from..."

    Why would I argue differently?

    "And where do you think this woman got these ideas?"

    You would have to ask her. But I would surmise by her life experiences, education, and people she associates with. Where do you get your ideas about the world from?

    "You are free to start your own blog and post stuff from the Daily Stormer..."

    Wow, that came out of left field.
  147. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Agree, except the part about "this nation." We are no longer a nation. We are an empire with various peoples living in its territory. Ms. Hong is part of another tribe living in this empire with our tribe. Like all sane people, she's looking out for herself and her tribe. Good for her.

    Whites should quit crying about other tribes saying mean things about us, organize our own tribe and push back. The other tribes will never - never! - stop bullying us so long as we keep giving them our lunch money.

    The other tribes will never – never! – stop bullying us so long as we keep giving them our lunch money.

    Soon….bloody nose time for racial huckstering tribes! And Whitey gets his bloody nose before any of the others…..time to associate a real cost to virtue signaling.

  148. @Neoconned
    https://www.the-sun.com/news/689000/illegal-immigrants-california-coronavirus-stimulus-checks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly


    OT: ....Steve work harder and pay those taxes. Governor Patrick Bateman is giving away a state stimulus to undocumented immigrants.....

    OT: ….Steve work harder and pay those taxes. Governor Patrick Bateman is giving away a state stimulus to undocumented immigrants…..

    Money well spent…..when things get really dicey financially in a few months Newsome will have permanently disqualified himself from consideration for the White House.

  149. @Corvinus
    "It feels like February again in the New York Times Magazine, with Korean-American lady writers milking their Google searches for anti-Chinese incidents for all they are worth."

    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters? I would say you are just as obsessed as these womyn, Mr. Sailer.

    Good lord but you’re a tiresome tit Corvirus!

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    fish, Who doesn't like tits, I think you meant twit.
  150. @syonredux

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether

    No they weren’t. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

     

    Yup:

    In Shanghai, May-ling attended the McTyeire School for Girls with her sister, Ching-ling. Their father, who had studied in the United States, arranged to have them continue their education in the US in 1907. May-ling and Ching-ling attended a private school in Summit, New Jersey. In 1908, Ching-ling was accepted by her sister Ai-ling's alma mater, Wesleyan College, at age 15 and both sisters moved to Macon, Georgia, to join Ai-ling. However, she could not get permission to stay on campus as a family member nor could she be a student because she was too young.[citation needed] May-ling spent the year in Demorest, Georgia, with Ai-ling's Wesleyan friend, Blanche Moss, who enrolled May-ling as an 8th grader at Piedmont College. In 1909, Wesleyan's newly appointed president, William Newman Ainsworth, gave her permission to stay at Wesleyan and assigned her tutors. She briefly attended Fairmount College in Monteagle, Tennessee in 1910.[6][7]
     

    May-ling was officially registered as a freshman at Wesleyan in 1912 at the age of 15. She then transferred to Wellesley College two years later to be closer to her older brother, T. V., who, at the time, was studying at Harvard. By then, both her sisters had graduated and returned to Shanghai. She graduated from Wellesley as one of the 33 "Durant Scholars" on June 19, 1917, with a major in English literature and minor in philosophy. She was also a member of Tau Zeta Epsilon, Wellesley's Arts and Music Society. As a result of being educated in English all her life, she spoke excellent English, with a pronounced Georgia accent which helped her connect with American audiences.[8]
     
    ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soong_Mei-ling

    Americans have had a relationship/love affair with the Chinese going back a long time now- remember that by the start of WWII there had been almost a century of American missionary work there, with some Americans belonging to 3rd generation China-born expat families. Regrettably I think America’s power elite understand China far LESS than it did almost 100 years ago, both through willful woke obscurantism, as well as the various griftings of our new Asian-American power elite wannabes.

    Wikipedia is just a treasure- for example, was link-hoping one day and found the entry for Chinese-American actress (going back to the silent-era) Anna May Wong:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_May_Wong

    Also there used to be a whole fashion magazine published for the Chinese/Chinese-American glamour set in the 20’s (cute volleyball player coeds!)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Companion#Gallery

    I don’t know which is sadder- that these first plantings of beauty, modernity, and happiness in China would be burned to the ground first by the Japanese and second by Mao, or that the pretty and convivial face of Chinese-America is now a bunch of resentful, overeducated, frumpy former yearbook committee queens.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Americans have had a relationship/love affair with the Chinese going back a long time now- remember that by the start of WWII there had been almost a century of American missionary work there, with some Americans belonging to 3rd generation China-born expat families.
     
    Like Time magazine founder Henry Luce:

    Henry Robinson Luce (April 3, 1898 – February 28, 1967) was an American magazine magnate who was called "the most influential private citizen in the America of his day".[1] He launched and closely supervised a stable of magazines that transformed journalism and the reading habits of millions of Americans. Time summarized and interpreted the week's news; Life was a picture magazine of politics, culture, and society that dominated American visual perceptions in the era before television; Fortune reported on national and international business; and Sports Illustrated explored the world of sports. Counting his radio projects and newsreels, Luce created the first multimedia corporation.
     

    Luce was born in Tengchow (now Penglai), Shandong, China, on April 3, 1898, the son of Elizabeth Root Luce and Henry Winters Luce, who was a Presbyterian missionary.[3] He received his education in various Chinese and English boarding schools, including the China Inland Mission Chefoo School.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Luce



    And Pearl Buck:

    Pearl Sydenstricker Buck (June 26, 1892 – March 6, 1973; also known by her Chinese name Sai Zhenzhu; Chinese: 赛珍珠) was an American writer and novelist. As the daughter of missionaries, Buck spent most of her life before 1934 in Zhenjiang, China. Her novel The Good Earth was the best-selling fiction book in the United States in 1931 and 1932 and won the Pulitzer Prize in 1932. In 1938, she was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature "for her rich and truly epic descriptions of peasant life in China and for her biographical masterpieces".[1] She was the first American woman to win the Nobel Prize for Literature.
     

    After returning to the United States in 1935, she continued writing prolifically, became a prominent advocate of the rights of women and minority groups, and wrote widely on Chinese and Asian cultures, becoming particularly well known for her efforts on behalf of Asian and mixed-race adoption.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_S._Buck
  151. She may be onto something. I wouldn’t want to be a Korean in the middle of a race riot.

    Never heard of a master race that contented itself with endless stories of how horrible and oppressive it is though. Don’t think you can find many Chinese papers reflecting on how the Chinese are screwing the Tibetans and Xinjiang Muslims.

  152. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    They have t go back.

  153. @peterike
    She likes hanging with whitey.

    http://www.artloversnewyork.com/zine/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/JOE-WINTER-CATHY-PARK-HONG.jpg

    Wow. She’s hideous.

  154. @Just Passing Through
    At least she had the decency to include the detail that the person who verbally abused her was a Latino, she could have just left that description out and let the reader assume it was an evil White person.

    That being said, I think many Chinese will increase their destabilising efforts in the coming years. As China grows and America declines, they will have the privilege of getting to pick a side, and it is obvious they will pick China. I personally have noticed an uptick in pro-China sentiment amongst the diaspora recently, this could be due to the recent rise of identity politics and populism, this coronavirus panic is also serving as a bonding glue for Cbinese as outside attacks on their ancestral homelands make them more racially conscious, much like Muslim consciousness increased after 9/11.

    America at this point is pretty much done for. One can only hope something good will rise out of the ashes and this time they will lead the importance of ethnic nationalism, same goes for other White countries.

    Will they? I find it hard to believe. Yes, attacks on random Chinese people are unjustified, but attacks on the Chinese communist party are completely justified. Will Chinese people really identify, emotionally, with the party?

  155. @Lot
    “ mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions”

    Maybe in Kent. US blacks mostly live in perfectly nice apartments or houses with functional modern amenities. Probably the US black objective material standard of living exceeds the average white European when all of Eastern Europe is included.

    I’d guess the average black american over 65 gets about $30,000 in social security, Medicare, and often a pension. That’s higher than the per capita GDP in a lot of the developed first world.

    And before that, they often get free or almost free public housing (or Section 8 rent subsidies), free food (food stamps and free school breakfasts and lunches), free medical care (Medicaid or just show up at the nearest emergency room), free pubic education, etc. This list of free stuff that black people in America get is endless, especially compared to Africa where they get nothing.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    " free food (food stamps and free school breakfasts and lunches)"

    The amount of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits that you will get depends on the number of people in your SNAP unit, your income and assets, and your expenses.

    You can get a general idea of what your SNAP level might be by completing the SNAP calculator. Please note this is simply a tool for you to use to figure out what SNAP benefit amount, if any, that you might qualify for. It is not an application for SNAP benefits.

    The chart below shows the highest amount of money your SNAP unit can receive each month as of October 2019:
    Number of People in Your Household Maximum Gross Monthly Benefits
    1 $194
    2 $355
    3 $509
    4 $646
    5 $768
    6 $921
    7 $1,018
    8 $1,164
    9 $1,310
    10 $1,456

    Add $146 for each additional member.

    https://www.illinoislegalaid.org/legal-information/how-much-will-i-get-if-im-approved-snap-benefits
     
    A person on food stamps eats better than most working people in Illinois.
    , @Johann Ricke

    free pubic education
     
    Judging by black fertility rates stateside, this is one area where no further instruction is required.
  156. @Abe
    Americans have had a relationship/love affair with the Chinese going back a long time now- remember that by the start of WWII there had been almost a century of American missionary work there, with some Americans belonging to 3rd generation China-born expat families. Regrettably I think America’s power elite understand China far LESS than it did almost 100 years ago, both through willful woke obscurantism, as well as the various griftings of our new Asian-American power elite wannabes.

    Wikipedia is just a treasure- for example, was link-hoping one day and found the entry for Chinese-American actress (going back to the silent-era) Anna May Wong:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_May_Wong

    Also there used to be a whole fashion magazine published for the Chinese/Chinese-American glamour set in the 20’s (cute volleyball player coeds!)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Companion#Gallery

    I don’t know which is sadder- that these first plantings of beauty, modernity, and happiness in China would be burned to the ground first by the Japanese and second by Mao, or that the pretty and convivial face of Chinese-America is now a bunch of resentful, overeducated, frumpy former yearbook committee queens.

    Americans have had a relationship/love affair with the Chinese going back a long time now- remember that by the start of WWII there had been almost a century of American missionary work there, with some Americans belonging to 3rd generation China-born expat families.

    Like Time magazine founder Henry Luce:

    Henry Robinson Luce (April 3, 1898 – February 28, 1967) was an American magazine magnate who was called “the most influential private citizen in the America of his day”.[1] He launched and closely supervised a stable of magazines that transformed journalism and the reading habits of millions of Americans. Time summarized and interpreted the week’s news; Life was a picture magazine of politics, culture, and society that dominated American visual perceptions in the era before television; Fortune reported on national and international business; and Sports Illustrated explored the world of sports. Counting his radio projects and newsreels, Luce created the first multimedia corporation.

    Luce was born in Tengchow (now Penglai), Shandong, China, on April 3, 1898, the son of Elizabeth Root Luce and Henry Winters Luce, who was a Presbyterian missionary.[3] He received his education in various Chinese and English boarding schools, including the China Inland Mission Chefoo School.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Luce

    And Pearl Buck:

    Pearl Sydenstricker Buck (June 26, 1892 – March 6, 1973; also known by her Chinese name Sai Zhenzhu; Chinese: 赛珍珠) was an American writer and novelist. As the daughter of missionaries, Buck spent most of her life before 1934 in Zhenjiang, China. Her novel The Good Earth was the best-selling fiction book in the United States in 1931 and 1932 and won the Pulitzer Prize in 1932. In 1938, she was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature “for her rich and truly epic descriptions of peasant life in China and for her biographical masterpieces”.[1] She was the first American woman to win the Nobel Prize for Literature.

    After returning to the United States in 1935, she continued writing prolifically, became a prominent advocate of the rights of women and minority groups, and wrote widely on Chinese and Asian cultures, becoming particularly well known for her efforts on behalf of Asian and mixed-race adoption.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_S._Buck

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    That's why Henry was derisively called ChinaBoy Luce!
  157. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    The joys of living in a multi-tribal empire, right.

    Speaking of tribes, it's people like Ms. Hong and the various alphabet soup-named Indians who are the biggest threat to your tribe. I'm shocked that American Jews (and Israelis) aren't more worried about the ascendancy of East Asians and Indians in this country. Those tribes couldn't care less about Israel, and they sure as hell won't be swayed by tales of the Holocaust or pogroms in 19th century Ukraine.

    American Jews tend to play the game better than East Asians and Indians, but they have numbers and are hungrier so it'll be an interesting fight. (Of course, there's also the wild card that these groups often inter-marry so who knows what comes of that.) If I was a Zionist Jew (and God knows that if I was Jewish, I would be a Zionist Jew), I'd be pushing hard to restrict immigration from East Asian and India. But maybe Jews - like gentile whites before them - have gotten soft from being on top.

    Trust me, as someone from a conquered group, it's not much fun to lose power in what was your country.

    Best of luck to you and your people. Someday, we might need each other.

    Very little intermarriage between Jews and dot Indians but plenty between Jews and North East Asians (at least in NYC)!

  158. Anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    The White West is seen and used as a harvest-field by foreigners who cannot allow Whites to have a level of self determination above that of a crop.

    Access to the fruit of the European mind (civilization) and genetics (women) is the harvest.

    Other races are allowed access to the farming-cooperative to assist on keeping the crop from revolting against the farmer.

    Which is why our nation has become one of institutionally empowered ethnic mafias, aligned against the majority and desperate to deny it any refuge.

  159. @Meretricious

    “I’m afraid to leave my home not because of coronavirus,” my Asian friends say, half in jest, “but because I don’t want to be a victim of a hate crime.”
     
    Do they all speak in unison like that? Almost as though they were automatons, lacking individuality and authentic humanity?

    And does she properly canvass and analyze their thoughts, in order to be sure of that 50% jest thing?

    Wow. She really does need to watch herself.

    Do they all speak in unison like that? Almost as though they were automatons, lacking individuality and authentic humanity?

    The term you need is NPC.

  160. @Neoconned
    https://www.the-sun.com/news/689000/illegal-immigrants-california-coronavirus-stimulus-checks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly


    OT: ....Steve work harder and pay those taxes. Governor Patrick Bateman is giving away a state stimulus to undocumented immigrants.....

    Neo, Oakland started a fund for “undocumented workers” who would not qualify for a stimulus check. Then they used the example of Micala (not her real name) who operates a hot dog cart and has been in Oakland since 1998. So in 22 years Micala never took steps to become a citizen and get a SS number or pay taxes, because a tax filing with the IRS would have qualified her.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Can't say im surprised....
  161. @Corvinus
    "It feels like February again in the New York Times Magazine, with Korean-American lady writers milking their Google searches for anti-Chinese incidents for all they are worth."

    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters? I would say you are just as obsessed as these womyn, Mr. Sailer.

    Corvi, actually articles, op eds, like this exist in many newspapers. The Buffalo News has an “Urban Editor” who stirs the pot for WNY. Cleveland.com also has one. Often the Buffalo News, NYT Lite, publishes NYT op eds to remind us of our failings. Steve provides my daily dose of agita.

  162. @syonredux

    Americans have had a relationship/love affair with the Chinese going back a long time now- remember that by the start of WWII there had been almost a century of American missionary work there, with some Americans belonging to 3rd generation China-born expat families.
     
    Like Time magazine founder Henry Luce:

    Henry Robinson Luce (April 3, 1898 – February 28, 1967) was an American magazine magnate who was called "the most influential private citizen in the America of his day".[1] He launched and closely supervised a stable of magazines that transformed journalism and the reading habits of millions of Americans. Time summarized and interpreted the week's news; Life was a picture magazine of politics, culture, and society that dominated American visual perceptions in the era before television; Fortune reported on national and international business; and Sports Illustrated explored the world of sports. Counting his radio projects and newsreels, Luce created the first multimedia corporation.
     

    Luce was born in Tengchow (now Penglai), Shandong, China, on April 3, 1898, the son of Elizabeth Root Luce and Henry Winters Luce, who was a Presbyterian missionary.[3] He received his education in various Chinese and English boarding schools, including the China Inland Mission Chefoo School.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Luce



    And Pearl Buck:

    Pearl Sydenstricker Buck (June 26, 1892 – March 6, 1973; also known by her Chinese name Sai Zhenzhu; Chinese: 赛珍珠) was an American writer and novelist. As the daughter of missionaries, Buck spent most of her life before 1934 in Zhenjiang, China. Her novel The Good Earth was the best-selling fiction book in the United States in 1931 and 1932 and won the Pulitzer Prize in 1932. In 1938, she was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature "for her rich and truly epic descriptions of peasant life in China and for her biographical masterpieces".[1] She was the first American woman to win the Nobel Prize for Literature.
     

    After returning to the United States in 1935, she continued writing prolifically, became a prominent advocate of the rights of women and minority groups, and wrote widely on Chinese and Asian cultures, becoming particularly well known for her efforts on behalf of Asian and mixed-race adoption.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_S._Buck

    That’s why Henry was derisively called ChinaBoy Luce!

  163. Now is the time for a dose of Michelle Malkin, the anti-Cathy Park Hong:

    Definitely watch my latest interview with
    @michellemalkin

    She’s a good one!

    In Defense of America’s European Roots

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
    Michelle Malkin is over-compensating for her background, perhaps she senses a change in the environment and wishes to ingrain herself within Dissident Right movement. She is married to a Jew and is herself an anchor baby as her parents did not have citizenship when they had her in America (they were here on a work visa scheme) I also like how they choose to use the artificially lightened photo of her.

    https://www1.cbn.com/sites/default/files/media/slider/images/michellemalkin_hdv.jpg

  164. @Jack D

    He said he was mocked daily and told his lunches stunk to the point where he no longer took a lunch to school. Wait, didn’t we just hear that from a Indian op ed writer at the Times?
     
    Every immigrant group on earth has experienced this. Italians supposedly reeked of garlic and salami (Jews reeked of garlic and KOSHER salami). If Japanese immigrated to Korea, they would have been mocked for eating natto (fermented soy beans) which also stink. Humans are tribal by nature and kids naturally want to enforce tribal norms. You have to be edjumacated to be accepting of those who are "different".

    If you are a kid from an immigrant group, you have to make a choice Either you take the path of assimilation and give up your stinky ethnic food in exchange for being accepted by the group, or else you can stick to your kimchi at the price of rejection by the other kids, or else you can beg your parents to take you back to your home country where you'll be poor and uneducated but at least no one will question your lunch choices ( for some reason #3 never happens). But don't expect that the popular kids are going to let you sit at their table with that stinky stuff that makes them gag. One or the other but you can't have it both ways.

    But the modern convention is choice #4 - you stew about it for the next 20 years and then write op eds in which you express your seething hatred of your new country.

    Jack, my mother sent me to my mostly Polish HS school with eggplant parm sandwiches on home made Italian bread. That is now a staple at most sub shops around here. And I remember “harps” from South Buffalo calling me a garlic snapper. Can’t remember the last time some one said “Let’s go out for Irish tonight.” Thanks for the reply. Stay Safe.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    eggplant parm sandwiches
     
    Hey Joe, where can I get one of those next time I'm on my way to Canader through Buffalo? They sound yummy.
  165. @J.Ross
    Challenge: is there a headline about India which does not spark laughter?
    Indians are watching a disturbing amount of child porn during coronavirus lockdown
    https://www.vice.com/en_asia/article/jgez3x/disturbing-child-porn-trends-from-india-during-lockdown
    On the one hand this is coming from an advocacy group which overcounts innocuous terms; on the other hand the search terms indicate an interest in brutality.

    Vice has been going hard on India since their Hindu nationalist prime minister came into power. This surprised me as I thought they only went after White countries.

  166. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.

    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who’s that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?) is something new and special.

    Sad, sad, sad.

    It’s kinda like some sophomore reading Descartes for the first time and being wowed by the idea that this could all be a dream.

    • Replies: @peterike

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.

     

    Marx - Jewish
    Adorno - Jewish
    Derrida - Jewish
    Spivak - dot Indian feminist

    And we wonder where she gets her ideas.
    , @syonredux

    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who’s that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?)
     
    No, she means the extremely tiresome Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak. I had to read "Can the Subaltern Speak?" back in grad school......

    Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak (born 24 February 1942) is an Indian scholar, literary theorist, and feminist critic.[1] She is a University Professor at Columbia University and a founding member of the establishment's Institute for Comparative Literature and Society.[2]
     

    Considered one of the most influential postcolonial intellectuals, Spivak is best known for her essay "Can the Subaltern Speak?" and for her translation of and introduction to Jacques Derrida's De la grammatologie.[3][4] She also translated such works of Mahasweta Devi as Imaginary Maps and Breast Stories into English and with separate critical appreciation on the texts and Devi's life and writing style in general.


    Spivak was awarded the 2012 Kyoto Prize in Arts and Philosophy for being "a critical theorist and educator speaking for the humanities against intellectual colonialism in relation to the globalized world."[5][6][7] In 2013, she received the Padma Bhushan, the third highest civilian award given by the Republic of India.[8]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Chakravorty_Spivak
     

     
    , @vinteuil
    Oh, I guess there really is a certain Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak who used to teach at Columbia.

    Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.
  167. … If black and indigenous people were systematically enslaved, killed and dispossessed of property, the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation. …

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

  168. @Kent Nationalist
    That's not really a correct analysis because they still mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions which no-one in power really cares about improving. They're privileges are only relative to harming white people.

    Personal income per capital among black Americans is about 35% lower than that of the rest of the population, or (in real terms) roughly similar to that of non-blacks ca. 1997 or what prevails in Spain today. The life expectancy of the black population today is similar to that of the non-black population at that time as well. Employment-to-population ratios have typically been about 10% lower than for the non-black population, but until the recent shut-downs, blacks had pulled almost even on this metric. In terms of compensation and occupational status, the 75th percentile of the black workforce is around about the 50th percentile of the whole workf0rce. Close to half the black population have very meh hourly jobs of the sort most people do not hold past age 30 unless they need an easy-to-ditch family income supplement.

    The big difference in living conditions is that > 40% of the black population lives in urban zones with horrendous rates of violent crime and associated disorder in schools. The retail trade in such places is sparse and the built environment is typically shabby, though this last is less pronounced than it was 50 years ago.

  169. @vinteuil

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.
     
    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who's that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?) is something new and special.

    Sad, sad, sad.

    It's kinda like some sophomore reading Descartes for the first time and being wowed by the idea that this could all be a dream.

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.

    Marx – Jewish
    Adorno – Jewish
    Derrida – Jewish
    Spivak – dot Indian feminist

    And we wonder where she gets her ideas.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.

    Marx – Jewish
    Adorno – Jewish
    Derrida – Jewish
    Spivak – dot Indian feminist
     
    Adorno's background is a tad more complicated:

    Theodor W. Adorno (alias: Theodor Adorno-Wiesengrund) was born as Theodor Ludwig Wiesengrund in Frankfurt am Main on September 11, 1903, the only child of Oscar Alexander Wiesengrund (1870–1946) and Maria Calvelli-Adorno della Piana (1865–1952). His mother, a devout Catholic from Corsica, was once a professional singer, while his father, an assimilated Jew who had converted to Protestantism, ran a successful wine-export business. Proud of her origins, Maria wanted her son's paternal surname to be supplemented by the addition of her own name, Adorno. Thus his earliest publications carried the name Theodor Wiesengrund-Adorno; upon his application for US citizenship, his name was modified to Theodor W. Adorno.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_W._Adorno
  170. “I’m afraid to leave my home not because of coronavirus,” my Asian friends say, half in jest, “but because I don’t want to be a victim of a hate crime.” It doesn’t matter if our families hail from Thailand, Burma or the Philippines. Racism is indiscriminate . . . .

    Make up your mind! Are we supposed to discriminate, or not?

  171. @John Derbyshire

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether
     
    No they weren't. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    I suppose if you are extremely literal minded the fact that you can point to ONE Chinese person living in America negates the fact that the “Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether“. But I expected better from you. Just because Park-Hong is an idiot doesn’t mean that you have to be an idiot back.

    The Chinese Exclusion Act did not exclude 100% of Chinese immigrants – it was mainly aimed at the importation of Chinese (male) LABOR. Madame Chiang came to study so she would not have been covered.

    Limited immigration for family reunification was permitted . This led to the phenomenon of “paper sons”. For a certain price, a Chinese “father” living in the US would send for his “son” in China. The “father” and the “son” had to study and memorize an elaborate back story so that when questioned at the immigration station their stories would match. E.g. what color hair did your mother have (oops, not that question)?

    The Exclusion Act was pro-labor and had been prompted by the use of Chinese as strike breakers by industry. For example, a strike at the Beaver Falls Cutlery Company in Pennsylvania was broken by the replacement of all workers with over 200 Chinese men. These type of actions led to a backlash against imported Chinese labor. Of course nowadays we are no longer racist and understand it is fine when Jeff Bezos imports a bunch of Indian programmers. The Washington Post tells me so.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    the Beaver Falls Cutlery Company
     
    Also known for their pioneering innovations in womens' personal grooming.
  172. @vinteuil

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.
     
    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who's that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?) is something new and special.

    Sad, sad, sad.

    It's kinda like some sophomore reading Descartes for the first time and being wowed by the idea that this could all be a dream.

    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who’s that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?)

    No, she means the extremely tiresome Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak. I had to read “Can the Subaltern Speak?” back in grad school……

    Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak (born 24 February 1942) is an Indian scholar, literary theorist, and feminist critic.[1] She is a University Professor at Columbia University and a founding member of the establishment’s Institute for Comparative Literature and Society.[2]

    Considered one of the most influential postcolonial intellectuals, Spivak is best known for her essay “Can the Subaltern Speak?” and for her translation of and introduction to Jacques Derrida’s De la grammatologie.[3][4] She also translated such works of Mahasweta Devi as Imaginary Maps and Breast Stories into English and with separate critical appreciation on the texts and Devi’s life and writing style in general.

    Spivak was awarded the 2012 Kyoto Prize in Arts and Philosophy for being “a critical theorist and educator speaking for the humanities against intellectual colonialism in relation to the globalized world.”[5][6][7] In 2013, she received the Padma Bhushan, the third highest civilian award given by the Republic of India.[8]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Chakravorty_Spivak

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    No, she means the extremely tiresome Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak. I had to read “Can the Subaltern Speak?” back in grad school……
     
    And I was thinking of Lawrence.


    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0257/3165/products/dfpa52791.jpeg?v=1484934539
    , @vinteuil
    Heh - you figured it out before I did.

    But, OMG! I assumed she must be talking about a white guy, when in fact she was talking about a woman of color!

    My career in academia is finished.
  173. @Hebrew National

    I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends.
     
    I guess this is what $60,000/year buys you these days.

    Sounds like me circa 1982 at UNC, except girls instead of boys, and it only cost $2k a semester even out of state.

    In other news, Cuomo hires McKinsey to consult NY on reopening. Great. Everyone gets fired and outsourced. Plus you still have to pay McKinsey billions. NY State can’t file Chapter 9, but the munipalities can. That often follows some McKinsey advice.

  174. @syonredux

    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who’s that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?)
     
    No, she means the extremely tiresome Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak. I had to read "Can the Subaltern Speak?" back in grad school......

    Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak (born 24 February 1942) is an Indian scholar, literary theorist, and feminist critic.[1] She is a University Professor at Columbia University and a founding member of the establishment's Institute for Comparative Literature and Society.[2]
     

    Considered one of the most influential postcolonial intellectuals, Spivak is best known for her essay "Can the Subaltern Speak?" and for her translation of and introduction to Jacques Derrida's De la grammatologie.[3][4] She also translated such works of Mahasweta Devi as Imaginary Maps and Breast Stories into English and with separate critical appreciation on the texts and Devi's life and writing style in general.


    Spivak was awarded the 2012 Kyoto Prize in Arts and Philosophy for being "a critical theorist and educator speaking for the humanities against intellectual colonialism in relation to the globalized world."[5][6][7] In 2013, she received the Padma Bhushan, the third highest civilian award given by the Republic of India.[8]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Chakravorty_Spivak
     

     

    No, she means the extremely tiresome Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak. I had to read “Can the Subaltern Speak?” back in grad school……

    And I was thinking of Lawrence.

  175. @Whiskey
    There is no end of ways, in which Women are the natural and eternal enemy of the average White man. No end of ways ...

    Good name for a band: Average White Man

    • Replies: @anon
    Good name for a band: Average White Man

    This close enough?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSq93Hsn0Bg
  176. @ganderson
    According to Robert Creamer, Ruth was often chirped for supposedly being part black.

    My first thought, too.

  177. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation . . . .

    Putting walls around the place where you sleep and keep your stuff is essentially a small-scale example of segregation no different in any relevant respect from what you’re complaining about. Asserting a right to exclude disfavored others from your lady parts is essentially the same thing as well.

  178. @Jack D
    And before that, they often get free or almost free public housing (or Section 8 rent subsidies), free food (food stamps and free school breakfasts and lunches), free medical care (Medicaid or just show up at the nearest emergency room), free pubic education, etc. This list of free stuff that black people in America get is endless, especially compared to Africa where they get nothing.

    ” free food (food stamps and free school breakfasts and lunches)”

    The amount of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits that you will get depends on the number of people in your SNAP unit, your income and assets, and your expenses.

    You can get a general idea of what your SNAP level might be by completing the SNAP calculator. Please note this is simply a tool for you to use to figure out what SNAP benefit amount, if any, that you might qualify for. It is not an application for SNAP benefits.

    The chart below shows the highest amount of money your SNAP unit can receive each month as of October 2019:
    Number of People in Your Household Maximum Gross Monthly Benefits
    1 $194
    2 $355
    3 $509
    4 $646
    5 $768
    6 $921
    7 $1,018
    8 $1,164
    9 $1,310
    10 $1,456

    Add $146 for each additional member.

    https://www.illinoislegalaid.org/legal-information/how-much-will-i-get-if-im-approved-snap-benefits

    A person on food stamps eats better than most working people in Illinois.

  179. @Jack D
    I suppose if you are extremely literal minded the fact that you can point to ONE Chinese person living in America negates the fact that the "Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether". But I expected better from you. Just because Park-Hong is an idiot doesn't mean that you have to be an idiot back.

    The Chinese Exclusion Act did not exclude 100% of Chinese immigrants - it was mainly aimed at the importation of Chinese (male) LABOR. Madame Chiang came to study so she would not have been covered.

    Limited immigration for family reunification was permitted . This led to the phenomenon of "paper sons". For a certain price, a Chinese "father" living in the US would send for his "son" in China. The "father" and the "son" had to study and memorize an elaborate back story so that when questioned at the immigration station their stories would match. E.g. what color hair did your mother have (oops, not that question)?

    The Exclusion Act was pro-labor and had been prompted by the use of Chinese as strike breakers by industry. For example, a strike at the Beaver Falls Cutlery Company in Pennsylvania was broken by the replacement of all workers with over 200 Chinese men. These type of actions led to a backlash against imported Chinese labor. Of course nowadays we are no longer racist and understand it is fine when Jeff Bezos imports a bunch of Indian programmers. The Washington Post tells me so.

    the Beaver Falls Cutlery Company

    Also known for their pioneering innovations in womens’ personal grooming.

  180. @vinteuil

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.
     
    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who's that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?) is something new and special.

    Sad, sad, sad.

    It's kinda like some sophomore reading Descartes for the first time and being wowed by the idea that this could all be a dream.

    Oh, I guess there really is a certain Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak who used to teach at Columbia.

    Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  181. @syonredux

    These Asian-American strivers think that discovering Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak (who’s that? does she mean Slavoj Žižek?)
     
    No, she means the extremely tiresome Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak. I had to read "Can the Subaltern Speak?" back in grad school......

    Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak (born 24 February 1942) is an Indian scholar, literary theorist, and feminist critic.[1] She is a University Professor at Columbia University and a founding member of the establishment's Institute for Comparative Literature and Society.[2]
     

    Considered one of the most influential postcolonial intellectuals, Spivak is best known for her essay "Can the Subaltern Speak?" and for her translation of and introduction to Jacques Derrida's De la grammatologie.[3][4] She also translated such works of Mahasweta Devi as Imaginary Maps and Breast Stories into English and with separate critical appreciation on the texts and Devi's life and writing style in general.


    Spivak was awarded the 2012 Kyoto Prize in Arts and Philosophy for being "a critical theorist and educator speaking for the humanities against intellectual colonialism in relation to the globalized world."[5][6][7] In 2013, she received the Padma Bhushan, the third highest civilian award given by the Republic of India.[8]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_Chakravorty_Spivak
     

     

    Heh – you figured it out before I did.

    But, OMG! I assumed she must be talking about a white guy, when in fact she was talking about a woman of color!

    My career in academia is finished.

  182. @black sea

    I have a hard time believing every Asian has a story about being fired or demoted because of their racial identity.
     
    Not to mention fetishized.

    Everyone has stories about feeling humiliated at some point in their lives, and nearly half of American workers believe they are underpaid. I'm sure this is sometimes related to ethnicity, but how often? Who knows? However, I suspect that Asians working in America are most often or most egregiously underpaid by Asian employers.

    I think the author does deserve some slight acknowledgement for admitting that her street-level oppressor was Latino rather than White, but while reading her article, I did wonder how -- as he zoomed by and uttered his epithets -- she could be so sure he was Latino. Could she have been just assuming?

    She made it up.

  183. OT, but is it correct that TrumpBux don’t seem to be getting through to recipients?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/stimuluscheck/

  184. @Jack D

    I was genuinely afraid, as if there were guards on the rooftops of South Brooklyn watching me through their sniper scopes.
     
    You mean like this?

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/175/667/7ad.jpg

    This is a hilarious case of projection. I also love that a Latino bike delivery man yells at her (justifiably for walking out in front of him, by her own admission) and that is whitey's fault too. The rationalization hamster is strong in this one. Anything not to damage the Coalition of the Fringes.

    BTW, regarding the bikes, what's going in NY is that all of the delivery guys have (illegal*) electric motors on their delivery bikes which allow them to speed along quickly and silently so unless you maintain a sharp lookout (both ways - they might go the wrong way up your block) you are liable to get run over. We are accustomed to hearing the motor sound of cars as a warning not to walk out in the street and so when we don't hear any we may walk out as a matter of habit. As she said, jaywalking (crossing in the middle of the block) was always normal in NY but so were cars with audible engines to warn us. BTW, if you see any old footage of NY, jaywalking back in the day was 100x worse - people would just wander from one side of the street to the other seemingly without any attention to what was coming at them. The "Dodgers" are named for "trolley dodgers" because pedestrian navigation in Brooklyn used to involve dodging the trolley traffic.

    But the new normal is these delivery bikes of which there are thousands being delivered by FOB aliens. The last time I was in NY a delivery guy approached me asking where a certain building was and from his question it was clear that he didn't know that in NY an odd # address indicates the north side of E-W streets, which is something you learn on your 1st day in NY (especially if you are delivery man). So this must have been his zeroth day. Yesterday he was in Baghdad or Bombay or something, today he is a NY deliveryman!

    * there is a name for a bicycle with a motor - it's called a "motorcycle" and it's required to be registered and insured, etc. These laws have been on the books for 100+ years.

    BTW, if you see any old footage of NY, jaywalking back in the day was 100x worse – people would just wander from one side of the street to the other

    Depending on how far back you go, there were few motor vehicles or none at all. Streets used to be legitimate public spaces.

    For thousands of years.

    Asians ride their bikes on the sidewalk. Safer for them, more dangerous for everyone else. Asian mentality.

  185. There is a pandemic with a novel disease that has upended civilization. It may get better; nCV19 could mutate to a less harmful strain and medicine could get better at treating people. But it could easily mutate into a more virulent form and medicine could continue to find addition surprises in the form of long lasting debilitation and only short term cold-like immunity.

    I am so glad the NYT is making sure we all don’t accidentally criticize Asians or blacks during our unplanned and unwanted journey to oblivion.

  186. @fish
    Good lord but you're a tiresome tit Corvirus!

    fish, Who doesn’t like tits, I think you meant twit.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    Briticism. Actually most of the Commonwealth.
  187. Can we please go back to golf? Even baseball would be less boring than this whiny AA crap.

  188. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Cathy Park Hong:

    https://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1335799845p5/228167.jpg

    nuff said.

    She’s HOT in your pic:

    Mine’s uglier:

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    She's a solid 3. Yet another confirmation of Sailer's Law of Female Journalism.
  189. @Jack D

    I was genuinely afraid, as if there were guards on the rooftops of South Brooklyn watching me through their sniper scopes.
     
    You mean like this?

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/175/667/7ad.jpg

    This is a hilarious case of projection. I also love that a Latino bike delivery man yells at her (justifiably for walking out in front of him, by her own admission) and that is whitey's fault too. The rationalization hamster is strong in this one. Anything not to damage the Coalition of the Fringes.

    BTW, regarding the bikes, what's going in NY is that all of the delivery guys have (illegal*) electric motors on their delivery bikes which allow them to speed along quickly and silently so unless you maintain a sharp lookout (both ways - they might go the wrong way up your block) you are liable to get run over. We are accustomed to hearing the motor sound of cars as a warning not to walk out in the street and so when we don't hear any we may walk out as a matter of habit. As she said, jaywalking (crossing in the middle of the block) was always normal in NY but so were cars with audible engines to warn us. BTW, if you see any old footage of NY, jaywalking back in the day was 100x worse - people would just wander from one side of the street to the other seemingly without any attention to what was coming at them. The "Dodgers" are named for "trolley dodgers" because pedestrian navigation in Brooklyn used to involve dodging the trolley traffic.

    But the new normal is these delivery bikes of which there are thousands being delivered by FOB aliens. The last time I was in NY a delivery guy approached me asking where a certain building was and from his question it was clear that he didn't know that in NY an odd # address indicates the north side of E-W streets, which is something you learn on your 1st day in NY (especially if you are delivery man). So this must have been his zeroth day. Yesterday he was in Baghdad or Bombay or something, today he is a NY deliveryman!

    * there is a name for a bicycle with a motor - it's called a "motorcycle" and it's required to be registered and insured, etc. These laws have been on the books for 100+ years.

    Jaywalking back in the day:

  190. @Buffalo Joe
    fish, Who doesn't like tits, I think you meant twit.

    Briticism. Actually most of the Commonwealth.

  191. Yes, but how’s her hair…

    Harry

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    Yes, but how’s her hair…

    It ain't Brillo. It's thin. Anorexic.

    https://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1335799845p5/228167.jpg

  192. Hey Joe,
    Everybody likes tits, even the girls…

    I saw it on the radio…twits not so much…

    Harry

  193. @AnotherDad

    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.
     
    The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.

    I think the East Asian characteristic that accounts for most outcomes is ... grinding and conformity. They will "nose to the grindstone" longer on average than whites. Especially with absolutely boring nonsense like SAT cramming. This is the trait that Californians observed in Chinese that energized broad support for exclusion. They'd simply undercut American working men. Work harder/longer for less.

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male--math and spatial skills--but the personality profile--conformity and compliance--skews female. The result is people who do very well in our feminized "sit still in class and do your homework" sty;e schools, particularly in STEM.

    Of course, for the Chinese people who weren’t born here, that nose/grindstone bit is engrained. To learn a language made of 3-5,000 characters, each made of (generally) 8 to 20 squiggly lines, what do you expect? It’s just plain NUTS, and no way to make a language. However, you are simply GOING TO have a good memory, or you will go nowhere in life

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  194. @Jack D
    And before that, they often get free or almost free public housing (or Section 8 rent subsidies), free food (food stamps and free school breakfasts and lunches), free medical care (Medicaid or just show up at the nearest emergency room), free pubic education, etc. This list of free stuff that black people in America get is endless, especially compared to Africa where they get nothing.

    free pubic education

    Judging by black fertility rates stateside, this is one area where no further instruction is required.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Paging Art Deco..."no clue why you would say this. Black fertility is blah blah"
  195. @AnotherDad

    I have never been especially impressed by Asian intelligence. I have seen it suggested that the Asian curve is thicker/taller in the middle than the White curve, which is fatter at either end.
     
    The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.

    I think the East Asian characteristic that accounts for most outcomes is ... grinding and conformity. They will "nose to the grindstone" longer on average than whites. Especially with absolutely boring nonsense like SAT cramming. This is the trait that Californians observed in Chinese that energized broad support for exclusion. They'd simply undercut American working men. Work harder/longer for less.

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male--math and spatial skills--but the personality profile--conformity and compliance--skews female. The result is people who do very well in our feminized "sit still in class and do your homework" sty;e schools, particularly in STEM.

    One of the books on the expansion of railways in the USA (perhaps Nicholas Faith’s “The World The Railways Made”) made the point that Chinese workers were hated by other groups for their doggedness – being prepared to work on in horrendous conditions which the rest couldn’t tolerate. “Accidents” involving explosives were regrettably common when the Chinese were working close by other groups.

    In passing, the classic diary of trench warfare in France by Dunn (referred to often in Robert Graves’s “Goodbye To All That), “The War The Infantry Knew” has some entries describing hair-raising incidents involving coolies employed to “tidy up” No Man’s Land including, as I recall, a macabre Tontine scheme…

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTnaXB8SB_A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNW0WpQsYkI
  196. This women’s anti white hatred is a feature, not a bug, you would think the US invaded and occupied the Koreas for thirty five years, instead I dont know, Japan, maybe.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    This women’s anti white hatred is a feature, not a bug, you would think the US invaded and occupied the Koreas for thirty five years, instead I dont know, Japan, maybe.
     
    You'd never have known from any Asian womenfolk of today that 40 or 50 thousand Americans died in Korea keeping the Chins and Norks off them. And the nastiest, most malevolent feminists are "Asian" (Koreans). See: Sarah Jeong, a broad so nasty and toxic even the New York Times couldn't keep her on-staff and WashPost wouldn't even hire her to begin with. Turns out there are limits.

    Everyone always says Asian women are the best, but anyone that says that never rubbed up against one that was 'educated' in the West. Feminism ruins all.

  197. • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It has been pretty clear for a while now that, although 4chan's catalogs are wrecked by disruption agents spamming zero effort one-line "your thoughts?" nothing threads, the site is still an invaluable circumnavigation around newsmedia censorship and misplaced focus. Scan the catalog, ignoring the 97% trash, and you'll be days to weeks ahead of the news cycle.

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    --Black folk gone crazy on wirlsta (I'm sorry but black folk gone crazy on wirlsta is always legitimate, always relevant, always funny, and is paradoxically racially uniting).
  198. @bucky
    This is where the Chinese humiliation comes in.

    The Chinese fundamentally aren't very proud to be Chinese. They do not like being reminded of their Chineseness because Chinese civilization was weak and humiliated. Chinese civilization failed.

    I think the narrative has veered to Chinese civilization suffering an interval of Oppression by everyone else, because of envy, greed, and, of course, honkies. There is a growing tone of Chinese superiority in its public institutions, especially its media. It’s obvious that’s soaking down to the Chinese diaspora. China is in position to attempt a fundamental redesign of world order, and return to its one time, and now rightful grandeur. China’s loyal children, at least some of them, break ground for seeding, so that a hundred blossoms may bloom.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    Perhaps before Coronavirus.

    But after the virus, I really do think that the CCP has lost a ton of Goodwill.

    Their previous failings can be explained away by their status as a developing country.

    Not this one. This one makes them appear feckless and incompetent.
  199. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Russia Russia Russia

    China China China

    White White White

    Which group is not being mentioned in the globalist fiasco?

  200. Are we here yet?

  201. @Johann Ricke

    free pubic education
     
    Judging by black fertility rates stateside, this is one area where no further instruction is required.

    Paging Art Deco…”no clue why you would say this. Black fertility is blah blah”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The the total fertility rate for black American women is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime, precisely the replacement rate. The median age at which the first child is born is just shy of 23, about what it was for the typical American woman in 1980. I gather this state of affairs is no fun as far as you're concerned.
  202. @Jack D

    He said he was mocked daily and told his lunches stunk to the point where he no longer took a lunch to school. Wait, didn’t we just hear that from a Indian op ed writer at the Times?
     
    Every immigrant group on earth has experienced this. Italians supposedly reeked of garlic and salami (Jews reeked of garlic and KOSHER salami). If Japanese immigrated to Korea, they would have been mocked for eating natto (fermented soy beans) which also stink. Humans are tribal by nature and kids naturally want to enforce tribal norms. You have to be edjumacated to be accepting of those who are "different".

    If you are a kid from an immigrant group, you have to make a choice Either you take the path of assimilation and give up your stinky ethnic food in exchange for being accepted by the group, or else you can stick to your kimchi at the price of rejection by the other kids, or else you can beg your parents to take you back to your home country where you'll be poor and uneducated but at least no one will question your lunch choices ( for some reason #3 never happens). But don't expect that the popular kids are going to let you sit at their table with that stinky stuff that makes them gag. One or the other but you can't have it both ways.

    But the modern convention is choice #4 - you stew about it for the next 20 years and then write op eds in which you express your seething hatred of your new country.

    >kosher salami

    … made with beef?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    https://www.bjs.com/product/hebrew-national-beef-salami-32-oz/3000000000000187907
  203. Anon[362] • Disclaimer says:

    I was digging through a survey looking to see if latent tuberculosis might have an impact on whether you survive or die from Covid-19. This one was done to determine how much latent TB was in the US in 2011-2012.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/metrics?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0140881

    It definitely looks like the rates of those with latent TB parallel those who die from Covid-19, both in terms of age and ethnic rates. There’s a larger latent TB rate in foreign-born residents. I’d love to see the Covid-19 death and infections data from immigrants in US hospitals, but there’s no way anyone is going to release that. I bet it’s very high.

    Interesting find: People with diabetes had latent TB at 2 times the rate of those without diabetes. Prediabetics had it at 1.5 times the rates of those without diabetes. We now know that diabetics are more likely to die from Covid-19. I wonder if having an immune system preoccupied with keeping TB in check means it can’t police your gut for bad bacteria properly. And if your immune system is preoccupied trying to keep TB in check, it may be that it can’t fight Covid-19 properly.

    Ethnic rates of latent TB as determined by 2 tests, skin and immune reaction tests:

    Whites: 0.3%
    Black: 3.1% (that’s over 10 times the rates of whites)
    Hispanics: 5.8% (19 times the white rate)
    Asians: 10.3% (34 times the white rate)

    Foreign-born ethnics living in the US population with latent TB:

    Black: 10.5%
    Hispanic: 9.8%
    Asian: 13.2%

    By age bracket:

    6-14: 0.2%
    15-24: 1%
    25-44: 1.9%
    45-64: 3.2%
    over 65: 2.9%

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Okay, here is a test of BCG vaccine theory: find foreign countries that have had different policies:
  204. @anon
    So why do you give legs to these stories when normies do not concern themselves with such matters?

    So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?

    “So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?”

    He can write about what he wants. The point is that he is writing about nonsense in the same way that the NYT author is writing about nonsense. Normies have more important things to attend to.

    • Replies: @anon
    He can write about what he wants.

    That's mighty generous of you. However, your actions don't line up with that sentiment. A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he's actually doing. You're nagging him with no authority to do so.

    So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?

    The point is that he is writing about nonsense in the same way that the NYT author is writing about nonsense.

    No, that's not true. The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle. Steve is noticing the hypocritical aspect of the struggle. Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author's prejudices. A simple way to solve your problem exists: start your own blog, where you can Notice all sorts of things and join in the struggle with the perpetually upset such as the NYT editorial staff.

    Normies have more important things to attend to.

    This sentence is really unclear, Coronavinus.

    1. Please define your term, what exactly do you mean by "Normies"
    2. Please expand on what these "more important" things are that "Normies" must attend to.
    3. Please explain the relevance of these "Normies" to this site and specifically to Steve's essays. For example, cite all the times that he has appealed to "Normies" (whatever they may be) in an essay.
    4. Please explain why the rest of the commenters here should care.

    When you've accomplished these things, we can discuss. Until then, you should avoid commenting because you have more important things to attend to, i.e. 1 through 4 above.
  205. @Patrick in SC
    Wrong. As usual.

    Let me explain to you the difference.

    You obviously get awfully touchy when Steve points out the absurd bigotry in columns like this. And don't say this column is a just a "one off" thing. Review the history of this blog for the last 6 months. You just can't stand how this stuff makes leftists like you look ridiculous. You try and deflect it by saying, "Nobody really thinks like this or takes this stuff seriously."

    Really?

    Then why is this in the New York Times?

    Let me repeat that for you: WHY IS THIS IN THE NEW YORK TIMES?

    Well?

    Obviously, the people who run that news source and have editorial control think this is interesting and/or important. If not, then why did they run it? You gonna claim it's a conspiracy to get clicks from far right blogs? You gonna claim they run equally crazy right wing stuff in alternation with crazy liberal stuff?

    Bwahahahaha. That just doesn't pass the laugh test.

    Th point: It's not just some guy with a blog. It's one of the most influential mouthpieces for leftists, along with The Guardian, The Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, and about 80% of the so called "mainstream media."

    More importantly, it's also standard talking points for practically every liberal arts department in America and a good many human resources departments in mid-sized to major corporations. Yes, a majority of people don't take this crap seriously, but you don't need a majority of anything to run things or to line your pockets. That's why we call them "elites." They ain't "normies." But they are stupid, corrupt, and evil bigots, and have far more influence in the mass media, corporate world, and on college campuses than they ought to, and that's why Steve pointing out this kind of stuff in your leftist trade papers is important.

    Or do you deny that "diversity training" and affirmative action are real or that these policies don't spring from, and get their inspiration from, crap like this editorial?

    Do you?

    And where do you think this woman got these ideas? Is she just a crank who dreamed this stuff up on her own and then by pure chance found herself on the NY Times editorial page?


    You are free to start your own blog and post stuff from the Daily Stormer and explain to everyone how incredibly influential that website is. Be our guest.

    “You obviously get awfully touchy when Steve points out the absurd bigotry in columns like this.”

    Not getting “awfully touchy”, just NOTICING that most normies have never heard of Cathy Park Hong and are

    “You try and deflect it by saying, “Nobody really thinks like this or takes this stuff seriously.”

    I’m saying the average American has little time for trivial things like what the author is screeching about. Now, you are certainly a “somebody” who thinks about, right? Go right ahead. Seems like a waste of time.

    “Obviously, the people who run that news source and have editorial control think this is interesting and/or important. If not, then why did they run it?”

    Because they have a number of audiences to cater to. It’s that elementary, my dear Watson. And while it may appear in the paper or in digital form, it does mean its readership is automatically drawn to it, or are certain to read it.

    “More importantly, it’s also standard talking points for practically every liberal arts department in America and a good many human resources departments in mid-sized to major corporations.”

    That is an overgeneralization on your part.

    “But they are stupid, corrupt, and evil bigots, and have far more influence in the mass media, corporate world, and on college campuses than they ought to…”

    First, according to Who/Whom? Second, if you are frustrated with this influence, what are you doing about it to curb it?

    “Or do you deny that “diversity training” and affirmative action are real or that these policies don’t spring from…”

    Why would I argue differently?

    “And where do you think this woman got these ideas?”

    You would have to ask her. But I would surmise by her life experiences, education, and people she associates with. Where do you get your ideas about the world from?

    “You are free to start your own blog and post stuff from the Daily Stormer…”

    Wow, that came out of left field.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    Pick a salient sentence or paragraph, quote it, then respond to the entire post in essay form. Your line-by-line ripostes a la usenet are insufferable.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Things are not published in the New York Times to NOT be influential., you stupid dips**t.

    And instead of telling Steve what to write why don't you get your own damned blog, you bloviating nincompoop. You can write anything you want there.

    And nobody will read it. Because you are a moron.
  206. Anonymous[379] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, except that it *is* China’s fault. Just like SARS, the bird flu and avian flu. There is a reason why all these epidemics start in China, because the Chinese are a filthy people that eat all sorts of animals that were never intended for human consumption. Like Bill Maher, arguably the only celebrity campaigning to shame the Chinese over this, has said:

    “It is bat-shit crazy to eat bats.”

    Time to end political correctness for *good* . This is life-or-death: we must shame China into closing their wild animal markets, because *this tragedy is all their fault!!!*

    I am not willing to die or watch my loved ones die because these filthy pie-faced rats known as Chinese can’t go without their bat meat and sea urchins. Hmm, so tasty! Enough!!! Here is the solution: either China closes their wild animal markets for good, or all countries in the World boycot all products from China, and deny visas to all Chinese tourists. Making China submit will be extremely difficult, not only because they are a dicatorship, but also because China is now a superpower, and submitting superpowers is not as easy as submitting Banana Republics. But it must be done, because China has become a threat to the human species as a whole.

    The human spcies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any country on Earth, including superpowers. A campaign on bullying and submitting China needs to start immediately, at whatever costs necessary.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    379, who wouldn't agree with you? Oh, wait, lots on the left would already be calling you a racist xenophobe. The same people that have fits over the possible demise of a snail darter in a stream, say little about all the poaching of near extinct animals, such as elephants and rhinos, whose tusks and horns feed the exotic Asian aphrodisiac market. Stay safe and nice comment.
  207. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/SilverVVulpes/status/1250547120198897665
    https://twitter.com/acczibit/status/1250534379048374275

    It has been pretty clear for a while now that, although 4chan’s catalogs are wrecked by disruption agents spamming zero effort one-line “your thoughts?” nothing threads, the site is still an invaluable circumnavigation around newsmedia censorship and misplaced focus. Scan the catalog, ignoring the 97% trash, and you’ll be days to weeks ahead of the news cycle.

    [MORE]

    Templates of disruptive programmatic spam:
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    –This happened (no source, you’ll just have to trust me). What Do You Guys Think?
    –[idiotic political cartoon] Powerful. [no other content]
    –You Guys All Think X. But what about Y? Checkmate. What Do You Guys Think?

    Templates of legitimate 4chan posts:
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  208. The model-minority myth is a lie that silences the structural economic racism Asian-Americans have endured and the intergenerational traumas our families have experienced from years of Western colonialism, wars and invasions.

    Western imperialism was clearly far more damaging to Koreans than the Japanese invasion and the Chinese attempted invasion. The latter are not worth mentioning. Perhaps they were part of a natural phenomenon, like the weather.

    My fears still felt performative

    The feeling is mutual. A career-enhancing performance in front of a SJW audience.

  209. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    It is rather odd. Chinese literary heritage is 3,000-plus years old, but one struggles to find even glimmers of differentiation. Li Po and Su Tung-p'o are each brilliant in their way, but they sound very similar in tone and thematics despite writing centuries apart. No English reader would ever confuse Chaucer with John Donne, or Byron with Walt Whitman. Well, maybe the problem is reading Chinese poets in translation, but somehow I doubt it.

    A similar thing happens in storytelling and archetypes. In the West, Odysseus is the byword for resourcefulness, Agamemnon and Achilles for angry pride, Elektra and Medea for weird sexual jealousy, Hamlet for introspection that leads to paralysis, Lear for the old man raging at his impotence, Ahab for obsession, Tom Sawyer for the boyish trickster, the list is endless. One struggles to find a Chinese counterpart for, say, Dante and Virgil touring Hell, or the Ancient Mariner tormenting the Wedding Guest, or even mad King Sweeney hopping from tree to tree in Ireland.

    Much of Non-Occidental literatures seem to have a notable lack of self-questioning and self-examination; their inner life often strikes a Westerner as curiously narrow. Even something as impressive as Shen Yun has a weird fetish for the grandiose and the spectacle of mass precision over anything resembling soul; I wouldn't trade the Bolshoi Ballet for it. Heck, I might not even trade Alvin Ailey.

    Lots of lists, like BAP said in his book.

  210. @Anon
    I was digging through a survey looking to see if latent tuberculosis might have an impact on whether you survive or die from Covid-19. This one was done to determine how much latent TB was in the US in 2011-2012.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/metrics?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0140881

    It definitely looks like the rates of those with latent TB parallel those who die from Covid-19, both in terms of age and ethnic rates. There's a larger latent TB rate in foreign-born residents. I'd love to see the Covid-19 death and infections data from immigrants in US hospitals, but there's no way anyone is going to release that. I bet it's very high.

    Interesting find: People with diabetes had latent TB at 2 times the rate of those without diabetes. Prediabetics had it at 1.5 times the rates of those without diabetes. We now know that diabetics are more likely to die from Covid-19. I wonder if having an immune system preoccupied with keeping TB in check means it can't police your gut for bad bacteria properly. And if your immune system is preoccupied trying to keep TB in check, it may be that it can't fight Covid-19 properly.

    Ethnic rates of latent TB as determined by 2 tests, skin and immune reaction tests:

    Whites: 0.3%
    Black: 3.1% (that's over 10 times the rates of whites)
    Hispanics: 5.8% (19 times the white rate)
    Asians: 10.3% (34 times the white rate)

    Foreign-born ethnics living in the US population with latent TB:

    Black: 10.5%
    Hispanic: 9.8%
    Asian: 13.2%

    By age bracket:

    6-14: 0.2%
    15-24: 1%
    25-44: 1.9%
    45-64: 3.2%
    over 65: 2.9%

    Thanks.

  211. @William Badwhite
    Paging Art Deco..."no clue why you would say this. Black fertility is blah blah"

    The the total fertility rate for black American women is 2.1 children per woman per lifetime, precisely the replacement rate. The median age at which the first child is born is just shy of 23, about what it was for the typical American woman in 1980. I gather this state of affairs is no fun as far as you’re concerned.

  212. @Jack D
    Mencius Moldbug figured out a long time ago that blacks are our new royalty or samurai, with special class privileges.

    This is very explicit - "We wuz kangs". We wuz temporarily embarrassed kangs but now we are now re-asserting our hereditary royal privileges. Interactions between royalty and peons are not symmetrical - you bow to the prince, the prince does not bow to you. Royal privileges do not arise spontaneously - you assert them and if you have the ability to enforce them thru violence they become permanent and real, otherwise you have to back off. Brown and Martin were both testing the limits of their newfound royal privileges and just took them a little too far. In other cities (Baltimore) blacks tested their privileges (e.g. the right to hold duels among royalty) and found that they could in fact enforce them.

    The same kind of incidents used to happen in Japan in the early days of Western contact because the white people traveling in Japan did not fully understand samurai privilege and would neglect to yield to them, whereupon the samurai would behead them.

    It’s more a function of the woke mythologizing blacks to the point that in a perfect racism-free world they would actually be at least as good at whites in all respects. That they are not in any given area is just taken as evidence of the perniciousness and all-embracing nature of white supremacy, so they are not in any way responsible for any shortcomings, ever.

    This is not the way most ordinary black people think in my experience, but it is how the black and white progressives that have a death grip on the media, academia, and big city politics think. They are making a determined push to make this the baseline assumption for everyone, hence the 1619 Project and the sprouting of diversity and inclusion/anti-racism trainers that increasing numbers of businesses and governments are bullied into hiring.

    In related news, the Queen of the 1619 Project asserted the other day that the MI protests against lockdowns were not in fact about people being tired of penned up in their homes, but because racist whites heard that blacks are more susceptible to the coronavirus and easing social distancing means more of them would be out and about and thus get sick and die.

  213. @Cortes
    One of the books on the expansion of railways in the USA (perhaps Nicholas Faith’s “The World The Railways Made”) made the point that Chinese workers were hated by other groups for their doggedness - being prepared to work on in horrendous conditions which the rest couldn’t tolerate. “Accidents” involving explosives were regrettably common when the Chinese were working close by other groups.

    In passing, the classic diary of trench warfare in France by Dunn (referred to often in Robert Graves’s “Goodbye To All That), “The War The Infantry Knew” has some entries describing hair-raising incidents involving coolies employed to “tidy up” No Man’s Land including, as I recall, a macabre Tontine scheme...

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Superb!

    Many thanks, Koba!

    (I suspect some sanitising of the tasks the coolies were expected and DID undertake has crept into the films - I trust Dunn)

    A reasonable review of Dunn is available at the London Review of Books.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Joe and Cortes, thank you for the history lesson . Now, if you want to see what life was like for Brits at the front in WWI watch "They Shall Not Grow Old." Horrific conditions told in archival form. I highly recommend it.
  214. It’s used for medicinal purposes magic potions

  215. @peterike

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.

     

    Marx - Jewish
    Adorno - Jewish
    Derrida - Jewish
    Spivak - dot Indian feminist

    And we wonder where she gets her ideas.

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.

    Marx – Jewish
    Adorno – Jewish
    Derrida – Jewish
    Spivak – dot Indian feminist

    Adorno’s background is a tad more complicated:

    Theodor W. Adorno (alias: Theodor Adorno-Wiesengrund) was born as Theodor Ludwig Wiesengrund in Frankfurt am Main on September 11, 1903, the only child of Oscar Alexander Wiesengrund (1870–1946) and Maria Calvelli-Adorno della Piana (1865–1952). His mother, a devout Catholic from Corsica, was once a professional singer, while his father, an assimilated Jew who had converted to Protestantism, ran a successful wine-export business. Proud of her origins, Maria wanted her son’s paternal surname to be supplemented by the addition of her own name, Adorno. Thus his earliest publications carried the name Theodor Wiesengrund-Adorno; upon his application for US citizenship, his name was modified to Theodor W. Adorno.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_W._Adorno

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Marx - NOT Jewish. His father converted from Judaism to join the state Evangelical Church of Prussia before he was born.

    Adorno - NOT Jewish as you say - Catholic mother, father converted to Protestantism.

    Derrida - (Sephardic) Jewish.

    Marx and Adorno might have had (partial in case of Adorno) Jewish ancestors but they were not Jewish. They never set foot in a synagogue in their life. Someone who is baptized at birth and attends church is not Jewish regardless of what his ancestors might have been. Children know only the world they are born in. Marx and Adorno were Jewish only in the Nazi sense of racial guilt.

  216. @Anon
    I was digging through a survey looking to see if latent tuberculosis might have an impact on whether you survive or die from Covid-19. This one was done to determine how much latent TB was in the US in 2011-2012.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/metrics?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0140881

    It definitely looks like the rates of those with latent TB parallel those who die from Covid-19, both in terms of age and ethnic rates. There's a larger latent TB rate in foreign-born residents. I'd love to see the Covid-19 death and infections data from immigrants in US hospitals, but there's no way anyone is going to release that. I bet it's very high.

    Interesting find: People with diabetes had latent TB at 2 times the rate of those without diabetes. Prediabetics had it at 1.5 times the rates of those without diabetes. We now know that diabetics are more likely to die from Covid-19. I wonder if having an immune system preoccupied with keeping TB in check means it can't police your gut for bad bacteria properly. And if your immune system is preoccupied trying to keep TB in check, it may be that it can't fight Covid-19 properly.

    Ethnic rates of latent TB as determined by 2 tests, skin and immune reaction tests:

    Whites: 0.3%
    Black: 3.1% (that's over 10 times the rates of whites)
    Hispanics: 5.8% (19 times the white rate)
    Asians: 10.3% (34 times the white rate)

    Foreign-born ethnics living in the US population with latent TB:

    Black: 10.5%
    Hispanic: 9.8%
    Asian: 13.2%

    By age bracket:

    6-14: 0.2%
    15-24: 1%
    25-44: 1.9%
    45-64: 3.2%
    over 65: 2.9%

    Okay, here is a test of BCG vaccine theory: find foreign countries that have had different policies:

  217. @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTnaXB8SB_A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNW0WpQsYkI

    Superb!

    Many thanks, Koba!

    (I suspect some sanitising of the tasks the coolies were expected and DID undertake has crept into the films – I trust Dunn)

    A reasonable review of Dunn is available at the London Review of Books.

  218. @Jane Plain
    We haven't heard from the extremely neat and attractive Amy Chua about all this. I'd love to.

    57 and looks 30, at least in photos.

    I expect her perspective on her own experience of life in America would be different, regardless, as she appears to be, by temperament, a different kind of person.

  219. @Anon
    Good name for a band: Average White Man

    Good name for a band: Average White Man

    This close enough?

  220. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    There seems to be power, racist-working power in the blood of liberal-arts Korean chicks in media betrothed to ultrawhite soyboys not earning significantly higher than does the missus. This is a field of psychodramatic landmines you can’t sweep starting from a second-tier regional university

  221. anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?"

    He can write about what he wants. The point is that he is writing about nonsense in the same way that the NYT author is writing about nonsense. Normies have more important things to attend to.

    He can write about what he wants.

    That’s mighty generous of you. However, your actions don’t line up with that sentiment. A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he’s actually doing. You’re nagging him with no authority to do so.

    So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?

    The point is that he is writing about nonsense in the same way that the NYT author is writing about nonsense.

    No, that’s not true. The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle. Steve is noticing the hypocritical aspect of the struggle. Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author’s prejudices. A simple way to solve your problem exists: start your own blog, where you can Notice all sorts of things and join in the struggle with the perpetually upset such as the NYT editorial staff.

    Normies have more important things to attend to.

    This sentence is really unclear, Coronavinus.

    1. Please define your term, what exactly do you mean by “Normies”
    2. Please expand on what these “more important” things are that “Normies” must attend to.
    3. Please explain the relevance of these “Normies” to this site and specifically to Steve’s essays. For example, cite all the times that he has appealed to “Normies” (whatever they may be) in an essay.
    4. Please explain why the rest of the commenters here should care.

    When you’ve accomplished these things, we can discuss. Until then, you should avoid commenting because you have more important things to attend to, i.e. 1 through 4 above.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I ankle-bite other writers, so I don't object to Corvinus doing the same to me.
    , @Corvinus
    "That’s mighty generous of you. However, your actions don’t line up with that sentiment."

    I am a generous sort. My actions indeed line up with that sentiment. He can write what he wants. I am merely pointing out what I believe he misses, neglects, overstates, or undervalues.

    "A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he’s actually doing. You’re nagging him with no authority to do so."

    It's honorable for you to come to his defense. And I didn't realizing making commentary is "ankle biting" or "nagging".

    "So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?"

    Assuming that I am engaging in that behavior, are you not as well by telling me I should stop writing what I want? Hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

    "The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle."

    Indeed she has a horse in the race, as does Mr. Sailer. One author race baits, another author returns the favor.

    "Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author’s prejudices."

    I never heard of the author. When made aware of such pieces, I laugh and move on. Everything I need to see is in the title of the article. It's Seinfeld, a show about nothing.

    I object because it is a non-issue with normies, which is defined as everyday Americans. The more important things we are attending to are dealing with are family during the Covid-19 crisis and deciding what is the future of our nation. Normies like myself visit this site to express our agreement or disagreement over a myriad of issues. If commenters here care or not care, fine. It's a blog. It's a place to share ideas.
  222. @Lot
    “The measured East Asian IQ advantage over whites is small and shows up almost entirely in math/spatial.”

    5-6 points is a lot, and that’s over a mostly N and W Euro white normed 100.

    The Japanese/S. Korean versus Serb/Albanian/Bulgarian white gap is bigger still.


    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”

    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.

    Skews female isn’t completely wrong, however as Steve has noted many times there are two male general personality types: the salesman extrovert verbal people-loving alpha and the introvert mathy nerd who prefers objects. The mathy type is in some ways is the least feminine.

    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”

    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.

    Don’t see how “skews male”–which you didn’t quote–or “skews female” is offensive.

    We all have a mixture of traits that “worked” for both our female and male ancestors.

    I “skew female” in personal empathy and perhaps helpfulness–more than the male average. But i understand it is *personal*. I don’t wallow in it, lifetime channel style. And most importantly i don’t drag it into the larger world. My high dose of “male systemizer” and male rationality are dominant. I don’t see a dead refugee kid on the beach and think that cancels 3000 years of Western Civilization.

    ~~

    I realize “Jewish minoritarianism” can be offensive to Jews and good whites steeped in the official narrative. However, i think it is accurate.

    1) Minoritarianism is real. A distinct ideology: Majorities–oppressive, evil–minorities–struggling, virtuous, good.

    — I’m old enough to remember the “before time” in the mid-60s. There was a lot of instruction about “prejudice” but minoritarianism was not yet a thing. Whatever King thought, his “I have a Dream” speech had to be pitched on “fair shake” in common culture, not “whitey bad”.

    — Saying multi-culturalism doesn’t cut it. First off it’s unspecific. It means everything from “restaurants” through “a hodgepodge of cultures” to actual minoritarianism. Because it is intentionally fuzzy saying “multi-culturalism” doesn’t do much. We need a name for this nasty “majorities bad” ideology.

    2) It is a Jewish ideology.

    — It arose with the rise of the Jews.

    — It was developed and driven by Jews. Lots of minorities clamored aboard, but really black “intelectuals” (ex. TNC) didn’t drive anything. They have a few media and academic sinecures and college kids will be forced to read some of their drivel, but they don’t dominant media–news, Hollyweird–and academia.

    — It is clearly, incontrovertibly the ideology of a middle-man minority pursing its self-interest–game theory 101. It’s purpose is to delegitimate the majority’s right to rule itself–you know that old canard of “majority rule”. To “make space” for a middle-man minority to work its way in, gain influence and power, but delegitimate majority self-defense or push-back–delegitimate the majority defending its interests.

    Note: I’m well aware that bringing brains steeped in our minoritarian Orwellian nightmare and hitting them with “Jewish minoritarianism” isn’t a winning political strategy. But this is iSteve. I’m not writing speeches for Trump

    Ultimately for the West to survive minoritarianism must be routed. Civilization and minoritarianism are incompatible. We don’t destroy it–we’re simply handing the world over to the Chinese.

    Jews–post Holocaust–have firewalled off all criticism of Jewish behavior with this “anti-Semitism” nonsense. Essentially, the idea that everyone critical of Jews, Jewish behavior, has some sort of irrational mind virus, rather than simply not liking Jews’ actual behavior. Sorry, but all groups–Jews included–have patterns of behavior and some of them are behaviors that other groups don’t necessary find pleasant. Or there’s simply conflict between group interests. Jews pursue the interests of Jews … which are *not* in the interest of gentiles–i.e. normal people, (a nation’s majority people and culture).

    Too bad for gypsies, they don’t have the skills/influence to hop on this train. And declare objection to gypsy behavior to be “anti-Romaism” and off limits to polites society.

    Every group would like this Jewish privilege of outlawing criticism!

    But we can’t let it stand and have minoritarianism–yes, “Jewish minoritarianism”–destroy the West.

    Majorties have a right–an absolute right–to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.

    • Replies: @Kim

    Majorties have a right–an absolute right–to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.
     
    What is a right? There is no such thing as a right.

    A right - so far as I can see - is just a talking point for unrealistic people and con men.

    On one hand there is more power and on the other hand there is less power. That is all. There are no rights.
    , @Lot
    “Don’t see how ... “skews female” is offensive.“

    That you have a thoughtful and thick-skinned attitude on this doesn’t mean statements of the category “asians are feminine“ isn’t a bad thing for us to say about our fellow high IQ Ice People. Also, put yourself in the position of a typical English speaking asian man who’s around, I’d guess, the 25th percentile of whites on height and 10th percentile on body hair and upper body strength, and who sees “his women” go white in a way he can’t. It comes off as a well targeted insult.

    Regarding “Jewish minoritarianism” :

    “ However, i think it is accurate.”

    No, it isn’t. You’ve given some reasons why it isn’t entirely inaccurate, and I generally agree with them. But the form of the phrase, attaching an ethnic group to something you think is really bad, is always going to be reasonably interpreted as bigoted.

    Further, American conservatives (and Western European nationalist) like Jews a lot, so it seems incoherent, a positive adjective where a pejorative is expected.

    Minoritarianism isn’t great either. Part of our culture and system of government is respect for the rights of minorities, and the Constitution is full of protections for them. Your phrase mixes and conflates that honorable and ancient tradition with *anti-white racism.* That is a much better phrase. For one thing, it is already being used by mass media conservatives like Ann and Tucker. It’s also not a neologism not in the dictionary, and more direct and accurate.

    On the accuracy point, does minoritarianism describe what the left wants done to our brothers in South Africa and Los Angeles, where whites are small minorities? No, it doesn’t. Anti-white racism is the better term.

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews. Things rarely work out well for those that do, for one thing. It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.

    , @Anonymous
    When did 'tolerance' replace 'freedom' as the most important civic ideal?
  223. @Harald Balzac
    Yes, but how's her hair...

    Harry

    Yes, but how’s her hair…

    It ain’t Brillo. It’s thin. Anorexic.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Japanese women’s hair is Brillo...
  224. @anon
    He can write about what he wants.

    That's mighty generous of you. However, your actions don't line up with that sentiment. A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he's actually doing. You're nagging him with no authority to do so.

    So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?

    The point is that he is writing about nonsense in the same way that the NYT author is writing about nonsense.

    No, that's not true. The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle. Steve is noticing the hypocritical aspect of the struggle. Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author's prejudices. A simple way to solve your problem exists: start your own blog, where you can Notice all sorts of things and join in the struggle with the perpetually upset such as the NYT editorial staff.

    Normies have more important things to attend to.

    This sentence is really unclear, Coronavinus.

    1. Please define your term, what exactly do you mean by "Normies"
    2. Please expand on what these "more important" things are that "Normies" must attend to.
    3. Please explain the relevance of these "Normies" to this site and specifically to Steve's essays. For example, cite all the times that he has appealed to "Normies" (whatever they may be) in an essay.
    4. Please explain why the rest of the commenters here should care.

    When you've accomplished these things, we can discuss. Until then, you should avoid commenting because you have more important things to attend to, i.e. 1 through 4 above.

    I ankle-bite other writers, so I don’t object to Corvinus doing the same to me.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Man, that’s cruel!

    :)
    , @res
    But you are at least entertaining when you do it ; ) And in the process you often make good points worth thinking about.

    Neither of those is true for Corvinus.
  225. @Buffalo Joe
    Neo, Oakland started a fund for "undocumented workers" who would not qualify for a stimulus check. Then they used the example of Micala (not her real name) who operates a hot dog cart and has been in Oakland since 1998. So in 22 years Micala never took steps to become a citizen and get a SS number or pay taxes, because a tax filing with the IRS would have qualified her.

    Can’t say im surprised….

  226. @Unladen Swallow
    This women's anti white hatred is a feature, not a bug, you would think the US invaded and occupied the Koreas for thirty five years, instead I dont know, Japan, maybe.

    This women’s anti white hatred is a feature, not a bug, you would think the US invaded and occupied the Koreas for thirty five years, instead I dont know, Japan, maybe.

    You’d never have known from any Asian womenfolk of today that 40 or 50 thousand Americans died in Korea keeping the Chins and Norks off them. And the nastiest, most malevolent feminists are “Asian” (Koreans). See: Sarah Jeong, a broad so nasty and toxic even the New York Times couldn’t keep her on-staff and WashPost wouldn’t even hire her to begin with. Turns out there are limits.

    Everyone always says Asian women are the best, but anyone that says that never rubbed up against one that was ‘educated’ in the West. Feminism ruins all.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Jeong is gone? Didn't know that, figured she was where the NYT was heading into the future.
  227. I’m 49 years old, and the Coronavirus is one the very worst problems I’ve ever seen our society face. And obviously, it’s not just us, but rather the whole world. Life has come to a metaphorical halt for virtually all of us, and a literal halt to several thousand unlucky Americans (possibly soon to be hundreds of thousands). Millions will die worldwide. And all this, due to revolting dietary practices and/or mismanagement of a virology facility, on the part of the inhabitants of the People’s Republic of China.

    With all that in mind, wouldn’t it be almost weird if there wasn’t some (admittedly rather minor) degree of hostility toward Chinese, and people who look Chinese (“Asians”)? Imagine being so immature and narcissistic, that you couldn’t differentiate between such a perfectly prosaic human response to immense frustration & suffering, and the specter of quasi-totalitarian White Supremacy!

    All these self-righteous bitch pieces from upper-middle-class twit Korean girls, is frankly starting to get me to the point where I’m developing a negative stereotype of Korean women.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m 49 years old, and the Coronavirus is one the very worst problems I’ve ever seen our society face.
     
    Not me. I put it at about the same priority, worry-wise, as library fines.
  228. @Steve Sailer
    I ankle-bite other writers, so I don't object to Corvinus doing the same to me.

    Man, that’s cruel!

    🙂

  229. @Bardon Kaldian
    Mostly correct, I Ching being one monumental exception, the book above all books I'd have taken with me to a proverbial desert island.

    The I Ching? Really? Why?

    If I was going to take a divination tool with me, I’d take a good tarot pack or something.

  230. @Hypnotoad666

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male–math and spatial skills–but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.
     
    That's an observation that rings true. Confuscian conformity and hard work seem to be their defining cultural characteristics.

    Conformity is probably why East Asians tend to be Democrats. It's just the respectable thing among respectable people in the blue states where they mostly live.

    The Korean chick who wrote the hate whitey article is basically just saying what her professor wants to hear in order to get an "A" on her paper.

    >Conformity is probably why East Asians tend to be Democrats.

    Older generations of certain East Asian groups tend to be very, very staunchly Republican. Vietnamese are a strong example of this generational divide. In their case, apart from the obvious historical reasons making the Democrats anathema, most are social conservatives (many belonged to South Vietnam’s Catholic minority), many were small business owners (Nguyen Ngoc Loan opened a pizzeria in the DC area after he arrived in the US), the kind of profile that tends to fit Republican voters.

    Why do younger Americans of East Asian extraction support Democrats? I’m sure the Hate Whitey sentiment has taken off among some in a generation marinated in political correctness since grade school, along with rising secular and social liberal attitudes, and the fact that our generation has a submissive attitude toward perceived authority. But generally, I don’t think it has to do with traditional Confucian conformity, considering how Americanized many of these kids are, for better or for worse. I think it is the same reason that young people tend to be pro-Democratic in general: the Republican Party’s economic message (Trump’s personality does not help, particularly with the educated) is a tough sell for a generation that expects to be worse off than their parents, with little they can realistically do to change that.

    Trump had the option of changing that, but he chose to go with the Mnuchin crowd over the Bannon crowd, tax cuts for billionaires over populism, so count my sympathy toward the GOP limited.

  231. @Joe Stalin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTnaXB8SB_A
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNW0WpQsYkI

    Joe and Cortes, thank you for the history lesson . Now, if you want to see what life was like for Brits at the front in WWI watch “They Shall Not Grow Old.” Horrific conditions told in archival form. I highly recommend it.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  232. @AnotherDad


    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”
     
    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.
     
    Don't see how "skews male"--which you didn't quote--or "skews female" is offensive.

    We all have a mixture of traits that "worked" for both our female and male ancestors.

    I "skew female" in personal empathy and perhaps helpfulness--more than the male average. But i understand it is *personal*. I don't wallow in it, lifetime channel style. And most importantly i don't drag it into the larger world. My high dose of "male systemizer" and male rationality are dominant. I don't see a dead refugee kid on the beach and think that cancels 3000 years of Western Civilization.

    ~~

    I realize "Jewish minoritarianism" can be offensive to Jews and good whites steeped in the official narrative. However, i think it is accurate.

    1) Minoritarianism is real. A distinct ideology: Majorities--oppressive, evil--minorities--struggling, virtuous, good.

    -- I'm old enough to remember the "before time" in the mid-60s. There was a lot of instruction about "prejudice" but minoritarianism was not yet a thing. Whatever King thought, his "I have a Dream" speech had to be pitched on "fair shake" in common culture, not "whitey bad".

    -- Saying multi-culturalism doesn't cut it. First off it's unspecific. It means everything from "restaurants" through "a hodgepodge of cultures" to actual minoritarianism. Because it is intentionally fuzzy saying "multi-culturalism" doesn't do much. We need a name for this nasty "majorities bad" ideology.

    2) It is a Jewish ideology.

    -- It arose with the rise of the Jews.

    -- It was developed and driven by Jews. Lots of minorities clamored aboard, but really black "intelectuals" (ex. TNC) didn't drive anything. They have a few media and academic sinecures and college kids will be forced to read some of their drivel, but they don't dominant media--news, Hollyweird--and academia.

    -- It is clearly, incontrovertibly the ideology of a middle-man minority pursing its self-interest--game theory 101. It's purpose is to delegitimate the majority's right to rule itself--you know that old canard of "majority rule". To "make space" for a middle-man minority to work its way in, gain influence and power, but delegitimate majority self-defense or push-back--delegitimate the majority defending its interests.


    Note: I'm well aware that bringing brains steeped in our minoritarian Orwellian nightmare and hitting them with "Jewish minoritarianism" isn't a winning political strategy. But this is iSteve. I'm not writing speeches for Trump

    Ultimately for the West to survive minoritarianism must be routed. Civilization and minoritarianism are incompatible. We don't destroy it--we're simply handing the world over to the Chinese.

    Jews--post Holocaust--have firewalled off all criticism of Jewish behavior with this "anti-Semitism" nonsense. Essentially, the idea that everyone critical of Jews, Jewish behavior, has some sort of irrational mind virus, rather than simply not liking Jews' actual behavior. Sorry, but all groups--Jews included--have patterns of behavior and some of them are behaviors that other groups don't necessary find pleasant. Or there's simply conflict between group interests. Jews pursue the interests of Jews ... which are *not* in the interest of gentiles--i.e. normal people, (a nation's majority people and culture).

    Too bad for gypsies, they don't have the skills/influence to hop on this train. And declare objection to gypsy behavior to be "anti-Romaism" and off limits to polites society.

    Every group would like this Jewish privilege of outlawing criticism!

    But we can't let it stand and have minoritarianism--yes, "Jewish minoritarianism"--destroy the West.

    Majorties have a right--an absolute right--to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.

    Majorties have a right–an absolute right–to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.

    What is a right? There is no such thing as a right.

    A right – so far as I can see – is just a talking point for unrealistic people and con men.

    On one hand there is more power and on the other hand there is less power. That is all. There are no rights.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    Sure there are. They’re merely empirical rather than transcendental.
    , @J.Ross
    If a right is merely a widely recognized cultural unifying principle on governmental limit, then it still exists. If power can exterminate rights, then revolutions don't exist.
  233. @Jim Christian
    Yes, but how’s her hair…

    It ain't Brillo. It's thin. Anorexic.

    https://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1335799845p5/228167.jpg

    Japanese women’s hair is Brillo…

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
  234. @R.G. Camara
    Yup. Nailed it.

    Because no one would nail her.

    Because no one would nail her.

    There are tens of millions of guys who would nail her….if they were sure she would go away afterwards.

  235. @AnotherDad
    No argument on the data. Though the "low" 60k of Koreans is still at the US national average household income.

    I think a key variable here is how many are immigrants and then the selectivity of the immigration. Indians are recent, but their immigration has been highly selective. (I know a lot of Indians from grad school and my career in tech.) Upper caste--Brahmin or merchant--and the vast majority coming with college degrees. Filipinos in general have been here longer, or recent immigrants (like nurses) come with degrees. And Japanese--basically there are almost no new immigrants--most in the workforce are 3rd or 4th generation now. In contrast Chinese and Koreans have a great proportion of immigrants and much less selective immigration (especially in years past) than the Indians. As their older immigrants die off, these numbers will change.

    But the bottom line here, it's only the jungly-ist of jungle Asians who are doing worse than median American. And by 2nd generation all the Indian and East Asians are more economically successful than white Americans. Our "racism" apparently isn't doing much good.

  236. @Steve Sailer
    I ankle-bite other writers, so I don't object to Corvinus doing the same to me.

    But you are at least entertaining when you do it ; ) And in the process you often make good points worth thinking about.

    Neither of those is true for Corvinus.

    • LOL: Corvinus
    • Replies: @syonredux

    But you are at least entertaining when you do it ; ) And in the process you often make good points worth thinking about.

    Neither of those is true for Corvinus.
     
    Corvinus makes me laugh; his brand of idiocy is so pure and unalloyed.....

    Of course, I also have a nagging suspicion that he might be a parody account (think Tiny Duck but played completely straight).....
  237. If you don’t like it here, Go back to Korea or China, or wherever the devil you came from. We’ll all be better off for it.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    If you don’t like it here, Go back to Korea or China, or wherever the devil you came from.
     
    From Indian-Asia to Islamia, Emo-Feminist horseshit doesn't work anywhere but the West. So they come here and their White male-hating, Indian-and-Asian-Female-Supremacist rants and ravings are given full voice in NYTimes, WashPost and of course, all OVER Academia. Muslim women come in just below Asian women in the annoying-scale. In Somalia, the Omar-Congresswoman chick would be stoned to death for her shenanigans here.

    WHY are they entertained?
  238. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    It is rather odd. Chinese literary heritage is 3,000-plus years old, but one struggles to find even glimmers of differentiation. Li Po and Su Tung-p'o are each brilliant in their way, but they sound very similar in tone and thematics despite writing centuries apart. No English reader would ever confuse Chaucer with John Donne, or Byron with Walt Whitman. Well, maybe the problem is reading Chinese poets in translation, but somehow I doubt it.

    A similar thing happens in storytelling and archetypes. In the West, Odysseus is the byword for resourcefulness, Agamemnon and Achilles for angry pride, Elektra and Medea for weird sexual jealousy, Hamlet for introspection that leads to paralysis, Lear for the old man raging at his impotence, Ahab for obsession, Tom Sawyer for the boyish trickster, the list is endless. One struggles to find a Chinese counterpart for, say, Dante and Virgil touring Hell, or the Ancient Mariner tormenting the Wedding Guest, or even mad King Sweeney hopping from tree to tree in Ireland.

    Much of Non-Occidental literatures seem to have a notable lack of self-questioning and self-examination; their inner life often strikes a Westerner as curiously narrow. Even something as impressive as Shen Yun has a weird fetish for the grandiose and the spectacle of mass precision over anything resembling soul; I wouldn't trade the Bolshoi Ballet for it. Heck, I might not even trade Alvin Ailey.

    Dance references. That’s the iSteve commentariat for you.

  239. @Servant of Gla'aki
    I'm 49 years old, and the Coronavirus is one the very worst problems I've ever seen our society face. And obviously, it's not just us, but rather the whole world. Life has come to a metaphorical halt for virtually all of us, and a literal halt to several thousand unlucky Americans (possibly soon to be hundreds of thousands). Millions will die worldwide. And all this, due to revolting dietary practices and/or mismanagement of a virology facility, on the part of the inhabitants of the People's Republic of China.

    With all that in mind, wouldn't it be almost weird if there wasn't some (admittedly rather minor) degree of hostility toward Chinese, and people who look Chinese ("Asians")? Imagine being so immature and narcissistic, that you couldn't differentiate between such a perfectly prosaic human response to immense frustration & suffering, and the specter of quasi-totalitarian White Supremacy!

    All these self-righteous bitch pieces from upper-middle-class twit Korean girls, is frankly starting to get me to the point where I'm developing a negative stereotype of Korean women.

    I’m 49 years old, and the Coronavirus is one the very worst problems I’ve ever seen our society face.

    Not me. I put it at about the same priority, worry-wise, as library fines.

  240. @San Fernando Curt
    I think the narrative has veered to Chinese civilization suffering an interval of Oppression by everyone else, because of envy, greed, and, of course, honkies. There is a growing tone of Chinese superiority in its public institutions, especially its media. It's obvious that's soaking down to the Chinese diaspora. China is in position to attempt a fundamental redesign of world order, and return to its one time, and now rightful grandeur. China's loyal children, at least some of them, break ground for seeding, so that a hundred blossoms may bloom.

    Perhaps before Coronavirus.

    But after the virus, I really do think that the CCP has lost a ton of Goodwill.

    Their previous failings can be explained away by their status as a developing country.

    Not this one. This one makes them appear feckless and incompetent.

  241. @Kim

    Majorties have a right–an absolute right–to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.
     
    What is a right? There is no such thing as a right.

    A right - so far as I can see - is just a talking point for unrealistic people and con men.

    On one hand there is more power and on the other hand there is less power. That is all. There are no rights.

    Sure there are. They’re merely empirical rather than transcendental.

  242. @syonredux

    I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak.

    Marx – Jewish
    Adorno – Jewish
    Derrida – Jewish
    Spivak – dot Indian feminist
     
    Adorno's background is a tad more complicated:

    Theodor W. Adorno (alias: Theodor Adorno-Wiesengrund) was born as Theodor Ludwig Wiesengrund in Frankfurt am Main on September 11, 1903, the only child of Oscar Alexander Wiesengrund (1870–1946) and Maria Calvelli-Adorno della Piana (1865–1952). His mother, a devout Catholic from Corsica, was once a professional singer, while his father, an assimilated Jew who had converted to Protestantism, ran a successful wine-export business. Proud of her origins, Maria wanted her son's paternal surname to be supplemented by the addition of her own name, Adorno. Thus his earliest publications carried the name Theodor Wiesengrund-Adorno; upon his application for US citizenship, his name was modified to Theodor W. Adorno.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_W._Adorno

    Marx – NOT Jewish. His father converted from Judaism to join the state Evangelical Church of Prussia before he was born.

    Adorno – NOT Jewish as you say – Catholic mother, father converted to Protestantism.

    Derrida – (Sephardic) Jewish.

    Marx and Adorno might have had (partial in case of Adorno) Jewish ancestors but they were not Jewish. They never set foot in a synagogue in their life. Someone who is baptized at birth and attends church is not Jewish regardless of what his ancestors might have been. Children know only the world they are born in. Marx and Adorno were Jewish only in the Nazi sense of racial guilt.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Someone who is baptized at birth and attends church is not Jewish regardless of what his ancestors might have been.
     
    Really. That person’s DNA changes upon baptism?

    Your example is akin to saying that a child who is given a male identity from birth and is dressed like a boy is not a girl even if that child was born having a vagina and XX chromosomes.

  243. @Anonymous

    East Asian IQ advantage is in quantitative and, especially, visuospatial,
     
    What evidence are you basing your view on that they are high in visuospatial?
  244. @Bardon Kaldian
    Mostly correct, I Ching being one monumental exception, the book above all books I'd have taken with me to a proverbial desert island.

    Desert island?! I Ching is the one book I’d take with me if I was founding a country!

    (Quibble Nazi: it isn’t literature though, it’s philosophy, and I was sorta only talking about literature. Quibble Nazi no. 2: pace another commenter, I Ching isn’t really a book of divination or oracles. There are people who play “Bible roulette” in search of guidance, but the Bible isnt a Tarot deck.)

    I keep waiting for some self-consciously ironic Asian humorist (they exist), a sort of Asian Dave Barry, to write a self-pitying mock-woke autobiography called “I, Ching” and really take the piss out of Asian SJWism (which is not at all new).

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    I Ching is something like the all-knowing person you can communicate with. Of course most people use it for divination or which course they should take, but, with little imagination you can ask it all & everything under the sun.
  245. @anon
    He can write about what he wants.

    That's mighty generous of you. However, your actions don't line up with that sentiment. A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he's actually doing. You're nagging him with no authority to do so.

    So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?

    The point is that he is writing about nonsense in the same way that the NYT author is writing about nonsense.

    No, that's not true. The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle. Steve is noticing the hypocritical aspect of the struggle. Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author's prejudices. A simple way to solve your problem exists: start your own blog, where you can Notice all sorts of things and join in the struggle with the perpetually upset such as the NYT editorial staff.

    Normies have more important things to attend to.

    This sentence is really unclear, Coronavinus.

    1. Please define your term, what exactly do you mean by "Normies"
    2. Please expand on what these "more important" things are that "Normies" must attend to.
    3. Please explain the relevance of these "Normies" to this site and specifically to Steve's essays. For example, cite all the times that he has appealed to "Normies" (whatever they may be) in an essay.
    4. Please explain why the rest of the commenters here should care.

    When you've accomplished these things, we can discuss. Until then, you should avoid commenting because you have more important things to attend to, i.e. 1 through 4 above.

    “That’s mighty generous of you. However, your actions don’t line up with that sentiment.”

    I am a generous sort. My actions indeed line up with that sentiment. He can write what he wants. I am merely pointing out what I believe he misses, neglects, overstates, or undervalues.

    “A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he’s actually doing. You’re nagging him with no authority to do so.”

    It’s honorable for you to come to his defense. And I didn’t realizing making commentary is “ankle biting” or “nagging”.

    “So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?”

    Assuming that I am engaging in that behavior, are you not as well by telling me I should stop writing what I want? Hypocritical, wouldn’t you say?

    “The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle.”

    Indeed she has a horse in the race, as does Mr. Sailer. One author race baits, another author returns the favor.

    “Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author’s prejudices.”

    I never heard of the author. When made aware of such pieces, I laugh and move on. Everything I need to see is in the title of the article. It’s Seinfeld, a show about nothing.

    I object because it is a non-issue with normies, which is defined as everyday Americans. The more important things we are attending to are dealing with are family during the Covid-19 crisis and deciding what is the future of our nation. Normies like myself visit this site to express our agreement or disagreement over a myriad of issues. If commenters here care or not care, fine. It’s a blog. It’s a place to share ideas.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    You're navel lint.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    I suggest you ask your CIA or FBI handlers for a different assignment. This has gotta be boring for you.
  246. @The Last Real Calvinist

    This excerpt sounds no different than writings of other female Asian writers on the various leftist/MSM outlets. Maybe there is only one such writer and she writes these under different names. You can probably program a computer spit out these lines and the just assign each article to a different author.

     

    You are so right. The template is simple:

    1 As an XXX, I never thought I would experience racism!

    2 But then this racist thing happened to me!!! And, oh, yeah, it was a PoC who did it, but . . .

    3 It's because of White supremacy!!!!!

    Articles stamped out using this imprint are even appearing in the SCMP these days. It's tiresome.

    Good thing I don’t like at SCMP too often.

  247. @Anon
    So, a Hispanic man called her a "Chinese bitch" and it's white people's fault? Why doesn't she have the courage to call a spade a spade? The most racist people these days are the non-whites. I'm Asian and even I am sick of all this whining. China unleashed this pandemic upon the world, if everyone is hating on the Chinese these days, it's only understandable. It sucks that all other Asians are getting the blame, but I understand. Come November, I will be voting for Trump so we can work towards a total decoupling from that God forsaken country. America needs to cut China off and expel all current and former citizens of China, because other Asians are sick of those China people making the rest of us look bad, even before the virus.

    She was jaywalking (without looking?) right into his path. She earned that epithet.

  248. @Jim Christian

    This women’s anti white hatred is a feature, not a bug, you would think the US invaded and occupied the Koreas for thirty five years, instead I dont know, Japan, maybe.
     
    You'd never have known from any Asian womenfolk of today that 40 or 50 thousand Americans died in Korea keeping the Chins and Norks off them. And the nastiest, most malevolent feminists are "Asian" (Koreans). See: Sarah Jeong, a broad so nasty and toxic even the New York Times couldn't keep her on-staff and WashPost wouldn't even hire her to begin with. Turns out there are limits.

    Everyone always says Asian women are the best, but anyone that says that never rubbed up against one that was 'educated' in the West. Feminism ruins all.

    Jeong is gone? Didn’t know that, figured she was where the NYT was heading into the future.

    • Replies: @Lot
    She was demoted for a tweet that strongly implied she favored people canceling their NYT subscription over whatever the SJW outrage of the day was, probably about needing more WOCkies or not calling Trump a fascist liar frequently enough. (Actual common complaints).

    Old job: member of the editorial board. New job: technology op-ed contributor. She still describes herself as a contributor but hasn’t had a byline since last summer.

  249. @Christopher Chantrill
    This is what I call the women's Culture of Complaint. As in "I can't believe he called me a Chinese bitch."

    Men have a Culture of Insult. As in "Chinese bitch!"

    Once you understand that, the whole world comes into focus.

    For years I wondered if I was just making this up. Then I reread George Eliot's Adam Bede. It starts with the male carpenters insulting each other. Next up is Adam's mother whining and complaining.

    If My Girl Georgie Porgie, the cleverest woman in England, knew this 150 years ago, then it is "settled science."

    Women love being indignant about something and the drama they cause.

    • Replies: @black sea
    Years ago, a girlfriend tried to run past me some feminist boilerplate about the oppression and exploitation of women.

    I asked her when in her own life she had most keenly felt the lash of oppression, during the summer weekends at her family's lake house, or her years at The University of Virginia (which she dearly loved), or the time she spent living and working in London after graduation.

    She started laughing. She just wanted to see if she could pull it off.
  250. @Corvinus
    "You obviously get awfully touchy when Steve points out the absurd bigotry in columns like this."

    Not getting "awfully touchy", just NOTICING that most normies have never heard of Cathy Park Hong and are

    "You try and deflect it by saying, “Nobody really thinks like this or takes this stuff seriously.”

    I'm saying the average American has little time for trivial things like what the author is screeching about. Now, you are certainly a "somebody" who thinks about, right? Go right ahead. Seems like a waste of time.

    "Obviously, the people who run that news source and have editorial control think this is interesting and/or important. If not, then why did they run it?"

    Because they have a number of audiences to cater to. It's that elementary, my dear Watson. And while it may appear in the paper or in digital form, it does mean its readership is automatically drawn to it, or are certain to read it.

    "More importantly, it’s also standard talking points for practically every liberal arts department in America and a good many human resources departments in mid-sized to major corporations."

    That is an overgeneralization on your part.

    "But they are stupid, corrupt, and evil bigots, and have far more influence in the mass media, corporate world, and on college campuses than they ought to..."

    First, according to Who/Whom? Second, if you are frustrated with this influence, what are you doing about it to curb it?

    "Or do you deny that “diversity training” and affirmative action are real or that these policies don’t spring from..."

    Why would I argue differently?

    "And where do you think this woman got these ideas?"

    You would have to ask her. But I would surmise by her life experiences, education, and people she associates with. Where do you get your ideas about the world from?

    "You are free to start your own blog and post stuff from the Daily Stormer..."

    Wow, that came out of left field.

    Pick a salient sentence or paragraph, quote it, then respond to the entire post in essay form. Your line-by-line ripostes a la usenet are insufferable.

  251. No big. I don’t trust yellow people.

  252. @Corvinus
    "That’s mighty generous of you. However, your actions don’t line up with that sentiment."

    I am a generous sort. My actions indeed line up with that sentiment. He can write what he wants. I am merely pointing out what I believe he misses, neglects, overstates, or undervalues.

    "A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he’s actually doing. You’re nagging him with no authority to do so."

    It's honorable for you to come to his defense. And I didn't realizing making commentary is "ankle biting" or "nagging".

    "So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?"

    Assuming that I am engaging in that behavior, are you not as well by telling me I should stop writing what I want? Hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

    "The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle."

    Indeed she has a horse in the race, as does Mr. Sailer. One author race baits, another author returns the favor.

    "Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author’s prejudices."

    I never heard of the author. When made aware of such pieces, I laugh and move on. Everything I need to see is in the title of the article. It's Seinfeld, a show about nothing.

    I object because it is a non-issue with normies, which is defined as everyday Americans. The more important things we are attending to are dealing with are family during the Covid-19 crisis and deciding what is the future of our nation. Normies like myself visit this site to express our agreement or disagreement over a myriad of issues. If commenters here care or not care, fine. It's a blog. It's a place to share ideas.

    You’re navel lint.

  253. @Hypnotoad666

    Basically relative to whites, the East Asian IQ profile skews male–math and spatial skills–but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.
     
    That's an observation that rings true. Confuscian conformity and hard work seem to be their defining cultural characteristics.

    Conformity is probably why East Asians tend to be Democrats. It's just the respectable thing among respectable people in the blue states where they mostly live.

    The Korean chick who wrote the hate whitey article is basically just saying what her professor wants to hear in order to get an "A" on her paper.

    Agree, and good education metaphor: that’s probably what it is, they’re lefties because that’s what they were taught to be at college. Maybe one day Republicans will fight back.

  254. Anon[694] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Despite their high IQ, East Asian Americans seem to punch below their weight in letters. This girl’s essay is no more impressive than similar ones by NAM women. Wesley Yang is less whiny, but he’s pretentious, draws overly broad conclusions, and leans on his thesaurus too much.

    There are lots of conservative East Asians. The problem is, they don’t write for a living, and even if they do, they don’t get published. MSM only wants those who drink the Kool Aid. Same goes for blacks, Hispanics and whites. Only the libtards in each group get the time of day from msm, and when they are minorities, so much the better, as they are representing. Except they aren’t. They aren’t speaking for everyone who looks like them, they are only representing themselves. Just because we all look alike doesn’t mean we all think alike. Only racists think we do, and most of those racists today are the liberals.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I think whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism.
  255. @AnotherDad


    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”
     
    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.
     
    Don't see how "skews male"--which you didn't quote--or "skews female" is offensive.

    We all have a mixture of traits that "worked" for both our female and male ancestors.

    I "skew female" in personal empathy and perhaps helpfulness--more than the male average. But i understand it is *personal*. I don't wallow in it, lifetime channel style. And most importantly i don't drag it into the larger world. My high dose of "male systemizer" and male rationality are dominant. I don't see a dead refugee kid on the beach and think that cancels 3000 years of Western Civilization.

    ~~

    I realize "Jewish minoritarianism" can be offensive to Jews and good whites steeped in the official narrative. However, i think it is accurate.

    1) Minoritarianism is real. A distinct ideology: Majorities--oppressive, evil--minorities--struggling, virtuous, good.

    -- I'm old enough to remember the "before time" in the mid-60s. There was a lot of instruction about "prejudice" but minoritarianism was not yet a thing. Whatever King thought, his "I have a Dream" speech had to be pitched on "fair shake" in common culture, not "whitey bad".

    -- Saying multi-culturalism doesn't cut it. First off it's unspecific. It means everything from "restaurants" through "a hodgepodge of cultures" to actual minoritarianism. Because it is intentionally fuzzy saying "multi-culturalism" doesn't do much. We need a name for this nasty "majorities bad" ideology.

    2) It is a Jewish ideology.

    -- It arose with the rise of the Jews.

    -- It was developed and driven by Jews. Lots of minorities clamored aboard, but really black "intelectuals" (ex. TNC) didn't drive anything. They have a few media and academic sinecures and college kids will be forced to read some of their drivel, but they don't dominant media--news, Hollyweird--and academia.

    -- It is clearly, incontrovertibly the ideology of a middle-man minority pursing its self-interest--game theory 101. It's purpose is to delegitimate the majority's right to rule itself--you know that old canard of "majority rule". To "make space" for a middle-man minority to work its way in, gain influence and power, but delegitimate majority self-defense or push-back--delegitimate the majority defending its interests.


    Note: I'm well aware that bringing brains steeped in our minoritarian Orwellian nightmare and hitting them with "Jewish minoritarianism" isn't a winning political strategy. But this is iSteve. I'm not writing speeches for Trump

    Ultimately for the West to survive minoritarianism must be routed. Civilization and minoritarianism are incompatible. We don't destroy it--we're simply handing the world over to the Chinese.

    Jews--post Holocaust--have firewalled off all criticism of Jewish behavior with this "anti-Semitism" nonsense. Essentially, the idea that everyone critical of Jews, Jewish behavior, has some sort of irrational mind virus, rather than simply not liking Jews' actual behavior. Sorry, but all groups--Jews included--have patterns of behavior and some of them are behaviors that other groups don't necessary find pleasant. Or there's simply conflict between group interests. Jews pursue the interests of Jews ... which are *not* in the interest of gentiles--i.e. normal people, (a nation's majority people and culture).

    Too bad for gypsies, they don't have the skills/influence to hop on this train. And declare objection to gypsy behavior to be "anti-Romaism" and off limits to polites society.

    Every group would like this Jewish privilege of outlawing criticism!

    But we can't let it stand and have minoritarianism--yes, "Jewish minoritarianism"--destroy the West.

    Majorties have a right--an absolute right--to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.

    “Don’t see how … “skews female” is offensive.“

    That you have a thoughtful and thick-skinned attitude on this doesn’t mean statements of the category “asians are feminine“ isn’t a bad thing for us to say about our fellow high IQ Ice People. Also, put yourself in the position of a typical English speaking asian man who’s around, I’d guess, the 25th percentile of whites on height and 10th percentile on body hair and upper body strength, and who sees “his women” go white in a way he can’t. It comes off as a well targeted insult.

    Regarding “Jewish minoritarianism” :

    “ However, i think it is accurate.”

    No, it isn’t. You’ve given some reasons why it isn’t entirely inaccurate, and I generally agree with them. But the form of the phrase, attaching an ethnic group to something you think is really bad, is always going to be reasonably interpreted as bigoted.

    Further, American conservatives (and Western European nationalist) like Jews a lot, so it seems incoherent, a positive adjective where a pejorative is expected.

    Minoritarianism isn’t great either. Part of our culture and system of government is respect for the rights of minorities, and the Constitution is full of protections for them. Your phrase mixes and conflates that honorable and ancient tradition with *anti-white racism.* That is a much better phrase. For one thing, it is already being used by mass media conservatives like Ann and Tucker. It’s also not a neologism not in the dictionary, and more direct and accurate.

    On the accuracy point, does minoritarianism describe what the left wants done to our brothers in South Africa and Los Angeles, where whites are small minorities? No, it doesn’t. Anti-white racism is the better term.

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews. Things rarely work out well for those that do, for one thing. It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.

    • Replies: @anon
    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews.

    Is there ever any time or situation when Jewish people saying negative things about white Americans could possibly be divisive and counterproductive?

    Asking for a friend.
    , @ic1000
    The comment by Lot and the prior one by AnotherDad were well worth re-reading. These two have sharp disputes, yet they agree more than they disagree. I’m between them, as are many commenters here, I suspect. This range of badthinking is on the other side of the 2020 Overton window.

    Steve’s habit of posting book reviews of articles in The Forward has been an eye opener to me. Like the woke DC rabbi reveling in his personal Flight from White journey. Some Jewish intellectuals really do think this way, and these expressions of anti-white racism are unremarkable in terms of that version of Polite Society.

    Yet Some Of My Best Friends Are Jews, and rather stereotypical American Reform Ashkenazis at that. The character and extent of our disagreements are not distinguishable from those I have with Gentile friends and family. AnotherDad would be hard-pressed to tell which group these 115-130 IQ individuals and their families belong to.

    There are alignments of interests among the sorts of Americans you’d welcome as neighbors and family, of whatever race.

    It’s ironic that the best book on middle-man minorities, World On Fire, was written by Amy Chua. Her first shout-out in the Acknowledgments is to her husband, Jed Rubenfeld.
    , @ben tillman

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews.
     
    It's absolutely necessary to tell the truth. Whites need an accurate understanding of the world around them if they are to protect their interests, which is why a particular group "randomly" monopolized the most powerful indoctrination medium ever invented.

    It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.
     
    Nothing could be less random.
  256. @Kim

    Majorties have a right–an absolute right–to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.
     
    What is a right? There is no such thing as a right.

    A right - so far as I can see - is just a talking point for unrealistic people and con men.

    On one hand there is more power and on the other hand there is less power. That is all. There are no rights.

    If a right is merely a widely recognized cultural unifying principle on governmental limit, then it still exists. If power can exterminate rights, then revolutions don’t exist.

  257. @Unladen Swallow
    Jeong is gone? Didn't know that, figured she was where the NYT was heading into the future.

    She was demoted for a tweet that strongly implied she favored people canceling their NYT subscription over whatever the SJW outrage of the day was, probably about needing more WOCkies or not calling Trump a fascist liar frequently enough. (Actual common complaints).

    Old job: member of the editorial board. New job: technology op-ed contributor. She still describes herself as a contributor but hasn’t had a byline since last summer.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian

    New job: technology op-ed contributor. She still describes herself as a contributor but hasn’t had a byline since last summer.
     
    All correct Lot. Hey! Technology Op-Ed? Ya suppose she "learned to code"?

    https://youtu.be/zdJ8x6lyrfo?t=15

  258. @Jack D
    Marx - NOT Jewish. His father converted from Judaism to join the state Evangelical Church of Prussia before he was born.

    Adorno - NOT Jewish as you say - Catholic mother, father converted to Protestantism.

    Derrida - (Sephardic) Jewish.

    Marx and Adorno might have had (partial in case of Adorno) Jewish ancestors but they were not Jewish. They never set foot in a synagogue in their life. Someone who is baptized at birth and attends church is not Jewish regardless of what his ancestors might have been. Children know only the world they are born in. Marx and Adorno were Jewish only in the Nazi sense of racial guilt.

    Someone who is baptized at birth and attends church is not Jewish regardless of what his ancestors might have been.

    Really. That person’s DNA changes upon baptism?

    Your example is akin to saying that a child who is given a male identity from birth and is dressed like a boy is not a girl even if that child was born having a vagina and XX chromosomes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Adorno's mitochondrial DNA was the same as Bruce Springsteen's. Wouldn't both be dagoes?
    , @Jack D
    So you're saying that Jews are a separate race ? I can't "convert" to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black? What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew? Adorno was 1/2 but he was still "a Jew" according to peterike. If Jews are a race, are Sephardic Jews like Derrida from a different race than Ashkenazi Jews?

    What if my grandparents converted TO Judaism like Ariel Sharon who was of Russian "Subbotnik" descent? Was he Jewish? If he did something bad, does that go down in the "Jewish" or "Russian" column?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago? As far as anyone can tell, today's Ashkenazi Jews are a product of matings between Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls, so are Jews themselves only 1/2 Jewish?
  259. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Someone who is baptized at birth and attends church is not Jewish regardless of what his ancestors might have been.
     
    Really. That person’s DNA changes upon baptism?

    Your example is akin to saying that a child who is given a male identity from birth and is dressed like a boy is not a girl even if that child was born having a vagina and XX chromosomes.

    Adorno’s mitochondrial DNA was the same as Bruce Springsteen’s. Wouldn’t both be dagoes?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Wouldn’t both be dagoes?
     
    Only if Barack Obama is a haole. But he’s half.
  260. @Reg Cæsar
    Adorno's mitochondrial DNA was the same as Bruce Springsteen's. Wouldn't both be dagoes?

    Wouldn’t both be dagoes?

    Only if Barack Obama is a haole. But he’s half.

  261. @Lot
    “Don’t see how ... “skews female” is offensive.“

    That you have a thoughtful and thick-skinned attitude on this doesn’t mean statements of the category “asians are feminine“ isn’t a bad thing for us to say about our fellow high IQ Ice People. Also, put yourself in the position of a typical English speaking asian man who’s around, I’d guess, the 25th percentile of whites on height and 10th percentile on body hair and upper body strength, and who sees “his women” go white in a way he can’t. It comes off as a well targeted insult.

    Regarding “Jewish minoritarianism” :

    “ However, i think it is accurate.”

    No, it isn’t. You’ve given some reasons why it isn’t entirely inaccurate, and I generally agree with them. But the form of the phrase, attaching an ethnic group to something you think is really bad, is always going to be reasonably interpreted as bigoted.

    Further, American conservatives (and Western European nationalist) like Jews a lot, so it seems incoherent, a positive adjective where a pejorative is expected.

    Minoritarianism isn’t great either. Part of our culture and system of government is respect for the rights of minorities, and the Constitution is full of protections for them. Your phrase mixes and conflates that honorable and ancient tradition with *anti-white racism.* That is a much better phrase. For one thing, it is already being used by mass media conservatives like Ann and Tucker. It’s also not a neologism not in the dictionary, and more direct and accurate.

    On the accuracy point, does minoritarianism describe what the left wants done to our brothers in South Africa and Los Angeles, where whites are small minorities? No, it doesn’t. Anti-white racism is the better term.

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews. Things rarely work out well for those that do, for one thing. It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews.

    Is there ever any time or situation when Jewish people saying negative things about white Americans could possibly be divisive and counterproductive?

    Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @Lot
    I was talking from one American nationalist and immigration restrictionist to another. I’m unaware of Jews with such views who express anti-non-Jewish white sentiments. Stephen M, Linda G, Amy W, Paul G. Larry Auster, etc all seem to like white people who are not ethnic Jews just fine.
  262. @res
    But you are at least entertaining when you do it ; ) And in the process you often make good points worth thinking about.

    Neither of those is true for Corvinus.

    But you are at least entertaining when you do it ; ) And in the process you often make good points worth thinking about.

    Neither of those is true for Corvinus.

    Corvinus makes me laugh; his brand of idiocy is so pure and unalloyed…..

    Of course, I also have a nagging suspicion that he might be a parody account (think Tiny Duck but played completely straight)…..

  263. @SOL
    Women love being indignant about something and the drama they cause.

    Years ago, a girlfriend tried to run past me some feminist boilerplate about the oppression and exploitation of women.

    I asked her when in her own life she had most keenly felt the lash of oppression, during the summer weekends at her family’s lake house, or her years at The University of Virginia (which she dearly loved), or the time she spent living and working in London after graduation.

    She started laughing. She just wanted to see if she could pull it off.

  264. @anon
    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews.

    Is there ever any time or situation when Jewish people saying negative things about white Americans could possibly be divisive and counterproductive?

    Asking for a friend.

    I was talking from one American nationalist and immigration restrictionist to another. I’m unaware of Jews with such views who express anti-non-Jewish white sentiments. Stephen M, Linda G, Amy W, Paul G. Larry Auster, etc all seem to like white people who are not ethnic Jews just fine.

    • LOL: Meretricious
    • Replies: @anon
    I was talking from one American nationalist and immigration restrictionist to another.

    I was not aware that you fit in either of those categories, let alone both.

    I’m unaware of Jews with such views who express anti-non-Jewish white sentiments.

    Do you consider Unz commenter Jack D. to be an American nationalist and immigration restrictionist?

    Stephen M, Linda G, Amy W, Paul G. Larry Auster, etc all seem to like white people who are not ethnic Jews just fine.

    "Some of my best friends are [group]" is not accepted in many cases, certainly not when the [group] word is "Jews", but you expect it to work this time? I do not know who most of those people are, but I am certain that Lawrence Auster is still dead, so in his case the past tense is correct rather than the present tense.

    By the way, you failed to answer my question. Perhaps it slipped your mind. I'll repeat it:


    Is there ever any time or situation when Jewish people saying negative things about white Americans could possibly be divisive and counterproductive?
     
    Could you please answer it this time?
  265. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    The joys of living in a multi-tribal empire, right.

    Speaking of tribes, it's people like Ms. Hong and the various alphabet soup-named Indians who are the biggest threat to your tribe. I'm shocked that American Jews (and Israelis) aren't more worried about the ascendancy of East Asians and Indians in this country. Those tribes couldn't care less about Israel, and they sure as hell won't be swayed by tales of the Holocaust or pogroms in 19th century Ukraine.

    American Jews tend to play the game better than East Asians and Indians, but they have numbers and are hungrier so it'll be an interesting fight. (Of course, there's also the wild card that these groups often inter-marry so who knows what comes of that.) If I was a Zionist Jew (and God knows that if I was Jewish, I would be a Zionist Jew), I'd be pushing hard to restrict immigration from East Asian and India. But maybe Jews - like gentile whites before them - have gotten soft from being on top.

    Trust me, as someone from a conquered group, it's not much fun to lose power in what was your country.

    Best of luck to you and your people. Someday, we might need each other.

    Of course, there’s also the wild card that these groups often inter-marry so who knows what comes of that.

    Now that you mention it, I wonder what the rate of in-ethnicity marriage is, for South and East Asians? Thinking back on the New York Times wedding notices, I can’t think of one in which both husband and wife were both Asian. Of course, that may be an artifact arising from the types of marriages the New York Times documents, but again, in real life, I don’t think I’ve ever encountered any all-Asian couples where both partners were born here.

    Not that I’m working from a large sample size.

  266. @Anon
    There are lots of conservative East Asians. The problem is, they don't write for a living, and even if they do, they don't get published. MSM only wants those who drink the Kool Aid. Same goes for blacks, Hispanics and whites. Only the libtards in each group get the time of day from msm, and when they are minorities, so much the better, as they are representing. Except they aren't. They aren't speaking for everyone who looks like them, they are only representing themselves. Just because we all look alike doesn't mean we all think alike. Only racists think we do, and most of those racists today are the liberals.

    I think whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I think whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism."

    Could you elaborate on this point? Thanks.
  267. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Desert island?! I Ching is the one book I'd take with me if I was founding a country!

    (Quibble Nazi: it isn't literature though, it's philosophy, and I was sorta only talking about literature. Quibble Nazi no. 2: pace another commenter, I Ching isn't really a book of divination or oracles. There are people who play "Bible roulette" in search of guidance, but the Bible isnt a Tarot deck.)

    I keep waiting for some self-consciously ironic Asian humorist (they exist), a sort of Asian Dave Barry, to write a self-pitying mock-woke autobiography called "I, Ching" and really take the piss out of Asian SJWism (which is not at all new).

    I Ching is something like the all-knowing person you can communicate with. Of course most people use it for divination or which course they should take, but, with little imagination you can ask it all & everything under the sun.

    • Replies: @anon
    I Ching is something like the all-knowing person you can communicate with.

    Dude, sign up for a 3 week vacation on "Naked and Afraid"!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_and_Afraid

    Totally sign up! No machete, just the I Ching!
    , @Jim Don Bob
    My memory of the I Ching is that every answer is some form of "perseverance furthers".
  268. @John Derbyshire

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether
     
    No they weren't. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    PLEASE, DERB, you know better than to inflict this anachronism on the world.

    It’s Soong Mei-ling with two Os and a hyphen, as even the ChiComs acknowledge.

    For a subject who spent a significant portion of her life in the U.S. and was well known here under her Chinese name, it is simply inappropriate to impose a mechanistic pinyin transcription of the Chinese characters.

    Here she is visiting her old haunts at Wesleyan in 1943.

  269. @Lot
    “Don’t see how ... “skews female” is offensive.“

    That you have a thoughtful and thick-skinned attitude on this doesn’t mean statements of the category “asians are feminine“ isn’t a bad thing for us to say about our fellow high IQ Ice People. Also, put yourself in the position of a typical English speaking asian man who’s around, I’d guess, the 25th percentile of whites on height and 10th percentile on body hair and upper body strength, and who sees “his women” go white in a way he can’t. It comes off as a well targeted insult.

    Regarding “Jewish minoritarianism” :

    “ However, i think it is accurate.”

    No, it isn’t. You’ve given some reasons why it isn’t entirely inaccurate, and I generally agree with them. But the form of the phrase, attaching an ethnic group to something you think is really bad, is always going to be reasonably interpreted as bigoted.

    Further, American conservatives (and Western European nationalist) like Jews a lot, so it seems incoherent, a positive adjective where a pejorative is expected.

    Minoritarianism isn’t great either. Part of our culture and system of government is respect for the rights of minorities, and the Constitution is full of protections for them. Your phrase mixes and conflates that honorable and ancient tradition with *anti-white racism.* That is a much better phrase. For one thing, it is already being used by mass media conservatives like Ann and Tucker. It’s also not a neologism not in the dictionary, and more direct and accurate.

    On the accuracy point, does minoritarianism describe what the left wants done to our brothers in South Africa and Los Angeles, where whites are small minorities? No, it doesn’t. Anti-white racism is the better term.

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews. Things rarely work out well for those that do, for one thing. It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.

    The comment by Lot and the prior one by AnotherDad were well worth re-reading. These two have sharp disputes, yet they agree more than they disagree. I’m between them, as are many commenters here, I suspect. This range of badthinking is on the other side of the 2020 Overton window.

    Steve’s habit of posting book reviews of articles in The Forward has been an eye opener to me. Like the woke DC rabbi reveling in his personal Flight from White journey. Some Jewish intellectuals really do think this way, and these expressions of anti-white racism are unremarkable in terms of that version of Polite Society.

    Yet Some Of My Best Friends Are Jews, and rather stereotypical American Reform Ashkenazis at that. The character and extent of our disagreements are not distinguishable from those I have with Gentile friends and family. AnotherDad would be hard-pressed to tell which group these 115-130 IQ individuals and their families belong to.

    There are alignments of interests among the sorts of Americans you’d welcome as neighbors and family, of whatever race.

    It’s ironic that the best book on middle-man minorities, World On Fire, was written by Amy Chua. Her first shout-out in the Acknowledgments is to her husband, Jed Rubenfeld.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    When the strong man weakens, and his servant is restless, the once strong man whistles for a middle man. Life goes on, but more complicated.
  270. @syonredux
    Now is the time for a dose of Michelle Malkin, the anti-Cathy Park Hong:

    Definitely watch my latest interview with
    @michellemalkin

    She's a good one!

    In Defense of America's European Roots

     

    https://twitter.com/LanaLokteff/status/1246232021413789697

    Michelle Malkin is over-compensating for her background, perhaps she senses a change in the environment and wishes to ingrain herself within Dissident Right movement. She is married to a Jew and is herself an anchor baby as her parents did not have citizenship when they had her in America (they were here on a work visa scheme) I also like how they choose to use the artificially lightened photo of her.

  271. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Someone who is baptized at birth and attends church is not Jewish regardless of what his ancestors might have been.
     
    Really. That person’s DNA changes upon baptism?

    Your example is akin to saying that a child who is given a male identity from birth and is dressed like a boy is not a girl even if that child was born having a vagina and XX chromosomes.

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ? I can’t “convert” to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black? What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew? Adorno was 1/2 but he was still “a Jew” according to peterike. If Jews are a race, are Sephardic Jews like Derrida from a different race than Ashkenazi Jews?

    What if my grandparents converted TO Judaism like Ariel Sharon who was of Russian “Subbotnik” descent? Was he Jewish? If he did something bad, does that go down in the “Jewish” or “Russian” column?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago? As far as anyone can tell, today’s Ashkenazi Jews are a product of matings between Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls, so are Jews themselves only 1/2 Jewish?

    • Replies: @jsm
    Meh...
    Jewish is a religion, when that suits Jews' arguments.

    It's a race / ethnicity / whatever you wanna call it, but definitely about DNA, when *that* suits Jews' arguments.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-high-court-allows-dna-testing-to-prove-judaism-1.8439615
    , @ben tillman

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?
     
    By the Sailer definition, a Jewish race exists. It does not include most converts to Judaism, of course, while it will include converts from it.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I can’t “convert” to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black?
     
    Not biologically, no.

    What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew?
     
    At the most, I’d say 1/8 or less. Octojoon.

    Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts. Not to mention the existence of other nasty genetic ailments. On the plus side, there is sometimes real genius that can also be a heritable Jewish trait.

    Ariel Sharon who was of Russian “Subbotnik” descent
     
    Cite? Was Ariel Sharon entirely descended from Russian gentile stock, as you imply? Wikipedia is unclear on this.

    If he did something bad
     
    Did he? If you say it’s bad, maybe he shouldn’t have done it.

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago?

    Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls
     
    Think of it this way: If a tribe of segregated mulattos intermarried over centuries, would they be a separate race? Yes. Perhaps the term “breed” is preferable to “race” but the biological significance remains the same.

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas, whose descendants have intermarried for generation after generation. Are they white? No. “Black” suffices as a racial descriptor.
  272. @Corvinus
    "That’s mighty generous of you. However, your actions don’t line up with that sentiment."

    I am a generous sort. My actions indeed line up with that sentiment. He can write what he wants. I am merely pointing out what I believe he misses, neglects, overstates, or undervalues.

    "A lot of readers have noticed that you continue to ankle-bite at iSteve, hectoring him about what he should be blogging about vs. what he’s actually doing. You’re nagging him with no authority to do so."

    It's honorable for you to come to his defense. And I didn't realizing making commentary is "ankle biting" or "nagging".

    "So why do you try to tell Steve what he should and should not write about?"

    Assuming that I am engaging in that behavior, are you not as well by telling me I should stop writing what I want? Hypocritical, wouldn't you say?

    "The NYT author is earnestly engaging in the struggle."

    Indeed she has a horse in the race, as does Mr. Sailer. One author race baits, another author returns the favor.

    "Perhaps you object because you share the NYT author’s prejudices."

    I never heard of the author. When made aware of such pieces, I laugh and move on. Everything I need to see is in the title of the article. It's Seinfeld, a show about nothing.

    I object because it is a non-issue with normies, which is defined as everyday Americans. The more important things we are attending to are dealing with are family during the Covid-19 crisis and deciding what is the future of our nation. Normies like myself visit this site to express our agreement or disagreement over a myriad of issues. If commenters here care or not care, fine. It's a blog. It's a place to share ideas.

    I suggest you ask your CIA or FBI handlers for a different assignment. This has gotta be boring for you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I suggest you ask your CIA or FBI handlers for a different assignment. This has gotta be boring for you."

    Not in the least, since you are the mark. Just giving you heads up and a sporting chance.
  273. @MBlanc46
    If you don’t like it here, Go back to Korea or China, or wherever the devil you came from. We’ll all be better off for it.

    If you don’t like it here, Go back to Korea or China, or wherever the devil you came from.

    From Indian-Asia to Islamia, Emo-Feminist horseshit doesn’t work anywhere but the West. So they come here and their White male-hating, Indian-and-Asian-Female-Supremacist rants and ravings are given full voice in NYTimes, WashPost and of course, all OVER Academia. Muslim women come in just below Asian women in the annoying-scale. In Somalia, the Omar-Congresswoman chick would be stoned to death for her shenanigans here.

    WHY are they entertained?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jim, Salt in wound. Sand in eyes. That is why they get print.
  274. @Lot
    She was demoted for a tweet that strongly implied she favored people canceling their NYT subscription over whatever the SJW outrage of the day was, probably about needing more WOCkies or not calling Trump a fascist liar frequently enough. (Actual common complaints).

    Old job: member of the editorial board. New job: technology op-ed contributor. She still describes herself as a contributor but hasn’t had a byline since last summer.

    New job: technology op-ed contributor. She still describes herself as a contributor but hasn’t had a byline since last summer.

    All correct Lot. Hey! Technology Op-Ed? Ya suppose she “learned to code”?

  275. @Corvinus
    "You obviously get awfully touchy when Steve points out the absurd bigotry in columns like this."

    Not getting "awfully touchy", just NOTICING that most normies have never heard of Cathy Park Hong and are

    "You try and deflect it by saying, “Nobody really thinks like this or takes this stuff seriously.”

    I'm saying the average American has little time for trivial things like what the author is screeching about. Now, you are certainly a "somebody" who thinks about, right? Go right ahead. Seems like a waste of time.

    "Obviously, the people who run that news source and have editorial control think this is interesting and/or important. If not, then why did they run it?"

    Because they have a number of audiences to cater to. It's that elementary, my dear Watson. And while it may appear in the paper or in digital form, it does mean its readership is automatically drawn to it, or are certain to read it.

    "More importantly, it’s also standard talking points for practically every liberal arts department in America and a good many human resources departments in mid-sized to major corporations."

    That is an overgeneralization on your part.

    "But they are stupid, corrupt, and evil bigots, and have far more influence in the mass media, corporate world, and on college campuses than they ought to..."

    First, according to Who/Whom? Second, if you are frustrated with this influence, what are you doing about it to curb it?

    "Or do you deny that “diversity training” and affirmative action are real or that these policies don’t spring from..."

    Why would I argue differently?

    "And where do you think this woman got these ideas?"

    You would have to ask her. But I would surmise by her life experiences, education, and people she associates with. Where do you get your ideas about the world from?

    "You are free to start your own blog and post stuff from the Daily Stormer..."

    Wow, that came out of left field.

    Things are not published in the New York Times to NOT be influential., you stupid dips**t.

    And instead of telling Steve what to write why don’t you get your own damned blog, you bloviating nincompoop. You can write anything you want there.

    And nobody will read it. Because you are a moron.

  276. @Jack D
    So you're saying that Jews are a separate race ? I can't "convert" to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black? What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew? Adorno was 1/2 but he was still "a Jew" according to peterike. If Jews are a race, are Sephardic Jews like Derrida from a different race than Ashkenazi Jews?

    What if my grandparents converted TO Judaism like Ariel Sharon who was of Russian "Subbotnik" descent? Was he Jewish? If he did something bad, does that go down in the "Jewish" or "Russian" column?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago? As far as anyone can tell, today's Ashkenazi Jews are a product of matings between Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls, so are Jews themselves only 1/2 Jewish?

    Meh…
    Jewish is a religion, when that suits Jews’ arguments.

    It’s a race / ethnicity / whatever you wanna call it, but definitely about DNA, when *that* suits Jews’ arguments.
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-high-court-allows-dna-testing-to-prove-judaism-1.8439615

  277. @Lot
    “Don’t see how ... “skews female” is offensive.“

    That you have a thoughtful and thick-skinned attitude on this doesn’t mean statements of the category “asians are feminine“ isn’t a bad thing for us to say about our fellow high IQ Ice People. Also, put yourself in the position of a typical English speaking asian man who’s around, I’d guess, the 25th percentile of whites on height and 10th percentile on body hair and upper body strength, and who sees “his women” go white in a way he can’t. It comes off as a well targeted insult.

    Regarding “Jewish minoritarianism” :

    “ However, i think it is accurate.”

    No, it isn’t. You’ve given some reasons why it isn’t entirely inaccurate, and I generally agree with them. But the form of the phrase, attaching an ethnic group to something you think is really bad, is always going to be reasonably interpreted as bigoted.

    Further, American conservatives (and Western European nationalist) like Jews a lot, so it seems incoherent, a positive adjective where a pejorative is expected.

    Minoritarianism isn’t great either. Part of our culture and system of government is respect for the rights of minorities, and the Constitution is full of protections for them. Your phrase mixes and conflates that honorable and ancient tradition with *anti-white racism.* That is a much better phrase. For one thing, it is already being used by mass media conservatives like Ann and Tucker. It’s also not a neologism not in the dictionary, and more direct and accurate.

    On the accuracy point, does minoritarianism describe what the left wants done to our brothers in South Africa and Los Angeles, where whites are small minorities? No, it doesn’t. Anti-white racism is the better term.

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews. Things rarely work out well for those that do, for one thing. It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews.

    It’s absolutely necessary to tell the truth. Whites need an accurate understanding of the world around them if they are to protect their interests, which is why a particular group “randomly” monopolized the most powerful indoctrination medium ever invented.

    It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.

    Nothing could be less random.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Whites need an accurate understanding of the world around them if they are to protect their interests..."

    What makes you think whites generally lack this understanding?

    "which is why a particular group “randomly” monopolized the most powerful indoctrination medium ever invented."

    So white people, who have high IQ's and high time preferences compared to other racial groups, are unfortunately manipulated by Jews through the media, and they (white people) seemingly lack the wherewithal to realize they are being hoodwinked. Is that what you are ultimately trying to get at?

    "By the Sailer definition, a Jewish race exists."

    So is this definition the "gold standard" in your eyes? If yes, must white people (and Jews) abide by it?

    , @Lot
    “ It’s absolutely necessary to tell the truth.”

    WN’s constant harping on the Frankfurt School and mid-century Jewish commies strikes me as the same as Democrats’ Hitler talk to attack Trump and Bannon.

    Rosa Luxemburg is DEAD!
  278. @Jack D
    So you're saying that Jews are a separate race ? I can't "convert" to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black? What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew? Adorno was 1/2 but he was still "a Jew" according to peterike. If Jews are a race, are Sephardic Jews like Derrida from a different race than Ashkenazi Jews?

    What if my grandparents converted TO Judaism like Ariel Sharon who was of Russian "Subbotnik" descent? Was he Jewish? If he did something bad, does that go down in the "Jewish" or "Russian" column?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago? As far as anyone can tell, today's Ashkenazi Jews are a product of matings between Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls, so are Jews themselves only 1/2 Jewish?

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?

    By the Sailer definition, a Jewish race exists. It does not include most converts to Judaism, of course, while it will include converts from it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    The start of this particular thread was that the Asian lady was infected with ideas by "Jews" like Marx and Adorno. Did Marx and Adorno inherit their ideology as a Jewish racial characteristic, the way that blacks inherit running ability even if they are adopted by a white family? Obviously they were intelligent men and certainly intelligence is required to expound new systems of thought the way that they did and intelligence may be inherited to a fairly large extent, but were their ideas genetically influenced by their Jewish racial heritage in a way that would be different if they were men of equal intelligence but NOT of Jewish descent?

    Was this influence purely (or even partly) genetic or was it that they grew up in households of recent converts and so their parents still had learned "Jewish" modes of thinking that they imparted to their children (and could have imparted those same ideas if Marx had an adopted brother)?

  279. @newrouter
    "Big Lie" keep on rolling. Evil = stupid. But you have to a degree from a stupid "University". Or on the Chicomm payroll.

    a degree from a stupid “University”. Or on the Chicomm payroll.

    What’s the difference?

  280. @Dave Pinsen
    I think whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism.

    “I think whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism.”

    Could you elaborate on this point? Thanks.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Here's an example.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1127369343916965889?s=20
  281. @ben tillman

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews.
     
    It's absolutely necessary to tell the truth. Whites need an accurate understanding of the world around them if they are to protect their interests, which is why a particular group "randomly" monopolized the most powerful indoctrination medium ever invented.

    It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.
     
    Nothing could be less random.

    “Whites need an accurate understanding of the world around them if they are to protect their interests…”

    What makes you think whites generally lack this understanding?

    “which is why a particular group “randomly” monopolized the most powerful indoctrination medium ever invented.”

    So white people, who have high IQ’s and high time preferences compared to other racial groups, are unfortunately manipulated by Jews through the media, and they (white people) seemingly lack the wherewithal to realize they are being hoodwinked. Is that what you are ultimately trying to get at?

    “By the Sailer definition, a Jewish race exists.”

    So is this definition the “gold standard” in your eyes? If yes, must white people (and Jews) abide by it?

  282. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    Our liberal arts colleges are producing nothing but small minded grievance studies garbages like this professional whiner I mean writer. Oberlin is one of the most liberal colleges in the US. Heather Mac Donald wrote that perhaps coronavirus will kill off the diversity industrial complex in our colleges since many are now starving for cash, let’s hope she’s right:
    https://www.city-journal.org/higher-ed-diversity-bureaucracy

    There was another article last week by yet another professional POC whiner in the NYTimes, this one went to Yale and was basically using the article to promote her upcoming book, i.e. whining in a NYT column isn’t enough, she had to write a whole book about her suffering. In her over eagerness to please her overlords, she pointed out that it is Jews who are behind the push for mass third world immigration to the US including the 1965 Immigration Act. I wonder how her overlords feel about being exposed, or perhaps they are so confident in their total control of America they no longer care about working in the shadows but are now taking credit.

    https://vdare.com/articles/why-exactly-did-we-allow-professional-poc-whiner-jia-lynn-yang-s-family-to-immigrate

  283. @ben tillman

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?
     
    By the Sailer definition, a Jewish race exists. It does not include most converts to Judaism, of course, while it will include converts from it.

    The start of this particular thread was that the Asian lady was infected with ideas by “Jews” like Marx and Adorno. Did Marx and Adorno inherit their ideology as a Jewish racial characteristic, the way that blacks inherit running ability even if they are adopted by a white family? Obviously they were intelligent men and certainly intelligence is required to expound new systems of thought the way that they did and intelligence may be inherited to a fairly large extent, but were their ideas genetically influenced by their Jewish racial heritage in a way that would be different if they were men of equal intelligence but NOT of Jewish descent?

    Was this influence purely (or even partly) genetic or was it that they grew up in households of recent converts and so their parents still had learned “Jewish” modes of thinking that they imparted to their children (and could have imparted those same ideas if Marx had an adopted brother)?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Interesting conversation you’re having with yourself. It seems that you’re reluctantly coming to the conclusion that all your questions point to “yes.”
  284. @Anonymous
    Yeah, except that it *is* China's fault. Just like SARS, the bird flu and avian flu. There is a reason why all these epidemics start in China, because the Chinese are a filthy people that eat all sorts of animals that were never intended for human consumption. Like Bill Maher, arguably the only celebrity campaigning to shame the Chinese over this, has said:

    "It is bat-shit crazy to eat bats."

    Time to end political correctness for *good* . This is life-or-death: we must shame China into closing their wild animal markets, because *this tragedy is all their fault!!!*

    I am not willing to die or watch my loved ones die because these filthy pie-faced rats known as Chinese can't go without their bat meat and sea urchins. Hmm, so tasty! Enough!!! Here is the solution: either China closes their wild animal markets for good, or all countries in the World boycot all products from China, and deny visas to all Chinese tourists. Making China submit will be extremely difficult, not only because they are a dicatorship, but also because China is now a superpower, and submitting superpowers is not as easy as submitting Banana Republics. But it must be done, because China has become a threat to the human species as a whole.

    The human spcies >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any country on Earth, including superpowers. A campaign on bullying and submitting China needs to start immediately, at whatever costs necessary.

    379, who wouldn’t agree with you? Oh, wait, lots on the left would already be calling you a racist xenophobe. The same people that have fits over the possible demise of a snail darter in a stream, say little about all the poaching of near extinct animals, such as elephants and rhinos, whose tusks and horns feed the exotic Asian aphrodisiac market. Stay safe and nice comment.

  285. Oh, dear Lord, another Libtard Democrook Fruit Bat Snowflake Whackadildo who is pissing and moaning about how mean other people have been to her. Oh, Boo-Frigging-Hoo !

    We have much more important issues to deal with right now than kissing your rump and pandering to your precious “feelings”, so please pardon the rest of us for focusing on those more important things while you and the rest of your Leftist asylum continue to argue over which gender pronouns and bathrooms to use as you all get marched down into the Tomb of Perpetual Political Irrelevancy this November.

    After PRESIDENT Trump wins a landslide re-election victory this November, the Democrook Cockeyed Collective of Cabbage Patch Communist Cünts will be DONE as any kind of national-level “political party”. That particular Freak Parade will NOT be missed. Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.

    After 2020, if Democrook whack jobs are remembered AT ALL, it will be merely as Skid Marxists on the underpants of history.

  286. Remember Robert Downey Jr’s Sage advice to never go full retard? This chick just went full minority 😭 Next thing you know she be swapping out vowels for x’s. These xsxxns are wxkx!

    Jokes aside, one of the big tragedies of the Instagram generation is that any idiot with an internet connection is now able to verbal-vomit about her hair and micro aggressions. And sadly, the more vocal the (minority) minority are, the more polarizing and entertaining they are, the more their (extreme) voices start to represent and influence the silent and moderate majority… even among the minorities. Sorry… mxnxrxtxxs.

  287. Anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation…
     
    Wow. "Global segregation." It's almost like there is a different nation for each nationality. The horror!

    Innocent victims fighting back against the global apartheid structure. Everybody on Earth has the right to abide in the land that is fair and bright. It’s just like poor little kittens being fenced off from the goodness and warmth of their mother’s belly.

    https://forskning.ruc.dk/en/publications/racism-global-apartheid-and-disobedient-mobilities-the-politics-o

    In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
    There’s a land that’s fair and bright,
    Where the handouts grow on bushes
    And you sleep out every night
    Where the boxcars all are empty
    And the sun shines every day
    On the birds and the bees
    And the cigarette trees
    The lemonade springs
    Where the bluebird sings
    In the Big Rock Candy Mountains

  288. @peterike
    She's making the rounds. Must be the book tour.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/apr/01/cathy-park-hong-minor-feelings

    I didn't read it. Why bother?

    She's definitely low-end on the Cute Asian Girl scale. Sailer's Law of Female Journalism strikes again.

    https://mypoeticside.com/wp-content/uploads/gallery-images/d519ce0.jpeg

    She’s hasn’t been a girl for about 20 years and she’s not even cute or attractive.

  289. @nebulafox
    A lot of the Vietnamese nationals who ended up in the United States were actually ethnic Chinese, however much that matters. There was a one-two punch of first being the urban business minority that took the side of the losers in the civil war, and then being viewed as fifth columnists on top of capitalist toadies by the winners when relations from China went from bad to worse in the late 1970s.

    On top of that, a lot of the Chinese who came over in the 1970s were Taiwanese, from what I can gather. Mainland immigration only seemed to really get going later on.

    I remember. As soon as we pulled out of Vietnam , California got hordes of S Koreans, Hong Kongers, Taiwanese and even Thais. They were the wealthy who had the cash to buy or set up businesses and buy what were then 200-300K homes in the more expensive neighborhoods and send their kids to private schools.

    One S Korean family I knew bought for cash, no mortgage 4 Teacher’s Fish and Chip stores and not one but 2, 300K houses. 300 K single family homes in 1977.

    The Asians were afraid America would surrender S Korea Taiwan, Thailand to the PRC and arrived en masse with their ill gotten gains to California.

    I believe all those Asian allies against the People’s Republic got their money from embezzling American tax payers foreign aid.

  290. @John Derbyshire

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether
     
    No they weren't. Song Meiling, later Madame Chiang Kai-shek, lived legally in the USA 1907-17, ages 9-19. She spoke fluent American English with a Southern accent.

    And those who were born here or immigrants who became citizens had no problems US customs Service VS Mr Tin Supreme Court decision and ruling sometime in the 1890s.

    The 1906 serious bubonic plague epidemic brought to California by a ship full of Japanese didn’t help the Asian immigration cause at all.

    A country can either have a prosperous working class and country with little poverty or unlimited immigration of poor people.

    Can’t have both. California led by my hero Dennis Kearney chose a prosperous working class. For a few decades. After a few decades of unlimited immigration half the population of California is officially poor and on welfare.

  291. @AnotherDad
    There was nothing--absolutely nothing--wrong with the Chinese exclusion act.

    Just as there is nothing wrong with my having a lock on my front door and excluding non-family members from living there.

    The Chinese, of course, were not, are not, inviting Americans to come settle there. And wisely so! Why should they?

    Down through history, people do not invite foreign peoples "hey come on over and take some of our real estate". In the rare cases it has happened, it's because some confused or kleptocratic ruler had some notion that he'd benefit by allowing outsiders to settle (ex. Goths in the Roman Empire, Jews in Poland) and sold out the long term interests of his own people.

    ~~~

    Exclusion is a good thing. Anything of quality, anything worthwhile requires some sort of exclusion to keep it ... exclusive! high quality, decent. Whether it's your home or a college or a corporation or country club or a neighborhood or a nation. You need exclusion or precisely what is desirably about it is lost.

    And it is not about "hate" as the tedious minoritarian liars would have it. Exclusion is about love. About valuing what you have.

    The Americans who passed the "Chinese Exclusion Act" did not do it because they hated the Chinese. They did it because they loved themselves--American white men--and their culture, their nation, and did not want to see that changed or wrecked or supplanted by the Chinese influx.

    I'm not butthurt by the fact that the Chinese--or Japanese or Koreans or Vietnamese or Indians or Russians or Arabs or Israelis--aren't letting me come plop my white ass down in their nation. That's how it should be. They like what they have and it belongs to *them* not me.

    This idea that "exclusion" is bad, terrible, oppressive is Jewish, middle-man-minority, propaganda designed to justify their right to penetrate anywhere and everywhere they want to middle-man away. You must let me in! You must let me in! Bwaaa, bwaaa! And it is ... politely ... a crock of shit. The ideology of a rapist.

    No. People have an inherent right to their own stuff, which includes their own turf, their own nation. Which means hanging the "No Trespassing" sign on the door.

    They like what they have and it belongs to *them* not me.

    A Chinese would say, yes, you are correct. China belongs to the Chinese. But America belongs to the world.

    And that is how they actually see it.

  292. @nobodyofnowhere

    Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.
     
    So, why exactly are we to assume that the coronavirus pandemic is responsible for a deliveryman cursing her out when she nearly caused him to crash?

    Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.

    At the risk of spreading stereotypes about Chinese people, I’ll bet she was trying to catch a bus.

  293. @Jim Christian

    If you don’t like it here, Go back to Korea or China, or wherever the devil you came from.
     
    From Indian-Asia to Islamia, Emo-Feminist horseshit doesn't work anywhere but the West. So they come here and their White male-hating, Indian-and-Asian-Female-Supremacist rants and ravings are given full voice in NYTimes, WashPost and of course, all OVER Academia. Muslim women come in just below Asian women in the annoying-scale. In Somalia, the Omar-Congresswoman chick would be stoned to death for her shenanigans here.

    WHY are they entertained?

    Jim, Salt in wound. Sand in eyes. That is why they get print.

  294. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    I was talking from one American nationalist and immigration restrictionist to another. I’m unaware of Jews with such views who express anti-non-Jewish white sentiments. Stephen M, Linda G, Amy W, Paul G. Larry Auster, etc all seem to like white people who are not ethnic Jews just fine.

    I was talking from one American nationalist and immigration restrictionist to another.

    I was not aware that you fit in either of those categories, let alone both.

    I’m unaware of Jews with such views who express anti-non-Jewish white sentiments.

    Do you consider Unz commenter Jack D. to be an American nationalist and immigration restrictionist?

    Stephen M, Linda G, Amy W, Paul G. Larry Auster, etc all seem to like white people who are not ethnic Jews just fine.

    “Some of my best friends are [group]” is not accepted in many cases, certainly not when the [group] word is “Jews”, but you expect it to work this time? I do not know who most of those people are, but I am certain that Lawrence Auster is still dead, so in his case the past tense is correct rather than the present tense.

    By the way, you failed to answer my question. Perhaps it slipped your mind. I’ll repeat it:

    Is there ever any time or situation when Jewish people saying negative things about white Americans could possibly be divisive and counterproductive?

    Could you please answer it this time?

  295. @Jane Plain
    We haven't heard from the extremely neat and attractive Amy Chua about all this. I'd love to.

    57 and looks 30, at least in photos.

    Yeah but wait’ll Amy turns 82.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    Old and blonde?
  296. @Jim Christian
    She's HOT in your pic:
    https://d.gr-assets.com/authors/1335799845p5/228167.jpg

    Mine's uglier:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Cathyparkhong008.JPG/220px-Cathyparkhong008.JPG

    She’s a solid 3. Yet another confirmation of Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism.

  297. @Mr. Anon

    When a coronavirus-related racist incident happened to me, the perpetrator wasn’t white. Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by. I wasn’t filled with hot rage or a hurt that cut me to the bone. I was just rattled and then sad.
     
    She is upset because the deliveryman she almost collided with while jaywalking called her "bitch"? Oh, no, it was the "chinese" part she objected to, despite the fact that she noticed that he is "latino".

    There is a hilarious scene in the movie The Gentlemen (highly recommended) where Colin Farrel is talking to one of his fighters who is complaining that another fighter called him a “black cunt”.

    Colin says, “You’re black, right?” “Right.” “And you’re a cunt, right?” “Right.” “So you see that’s not racist, it’s just the truth.”

    Will be at Redbox real soon. Best movie since Ford Vs. Ferrari.

    https://www.thegentlemen.movie/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    I saw it. T'wasn't bad. Rather un-PC on the whole. I would have preferred that Michelle Dockery's role had been played by Rose Byrne. Dockery just looks like an emaciated Melanie Lynskey. For that matter, I would have preferred Melanie Lynskey in the role - she's pretty hot.
  298. @Lot
    “ mostly live in horrible, squalid conditions”

    Maybe in Kent. US blacks mostly live in perfectly nice apartments or houses with functional modern amenities. Probably the US black objective material standard of living exceeds the average white European when all of Eastern Europe is included.

    I’d guess the average black american over 65 gets about $30,000 in social security, Medicare, and often a pension. That’s higher than the per capita GDP in a lot of the developed first world.

    I’d guess the average black american over 65 gets about $30,000 in social security,…

    I know people who get $30k+ in SS and none of them are black. All had long work histories of making big $.

    The max SS benefit at full retirement age is about $3k or $36k a year (https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102814/what-maximum-i-can-receive-my-social-security-retirement-benefit.asp)

    More likely is people like my mother-in-law who worked spordically at low wage jobs, and often off the books, who get $700 a month.

    • Replies: @Lot
    You’re right, My error was I based this on my own mostly UMC family. Looks like the US average is $18,036 a year, and blacks would probably be less than this.

    Though the figure includes immigrants without full work histories and this must bias it downward.
  299. @Anon
    Cathy Park Hong wrote a book called, MINOR FEELINGS, An ASIAN AMERICAN RECKONING.
    The words "Minor Feelings" on the cover are printed in flames, represenative of burning anger.

    If she feels that immigration-restriction is tantamount to global segregation, then lets let China/Korea/Taiwan accept 300 million sub-Saharans immediately, with a million more each year. C'mon......hurry up now, catch up with the moral superpowers Cathy****


    ***of course I hope China, Taiwan, and Korea dont do this because one Asian American writer doesn't like it here. The best solution for her personal homesickness is cured with a one-way ticket. However, most Asian Americans like it here and are well liked here by the rest of us.

    However, most Asian Americans like it here and are well liked here by the rest of us.

    Of course, those Asians will never get a column in the New York Times because they wouldn’t feed the NYT ethnic strategy of “let’s you and him fight”. Cathy Hong is too dumb, self-absorbed, and, frankly, female to see how she is being played.

    • Replies: @black sea

    Cathy Hong is too dumb, self-absorbed, and, frankly, female to see how she is being played.
     
    Cathy Hong is an obscure writer, though considerably less obscure than she was one week ago. By recounting her brush with the beast of American race hatred, she has ingratiated herself among the American intelligensia -- most of whom had never heard of her before -- and she can now call herself a contributor to the New York Times.

    The amount of money spent marketing her books and sending her out on lecture tours will increase. Invitations from universities for her to teach for a semester or speak to an auditorium of students will increase. She will be a panelist and guest speaker at conferences. She may find herself lucky enough to become an "expert" on Asian-American suffering and outrage -- though that would be easier with better facial features -- with all the publicity and income enhancement that this implies.

    This may or may not boost her royalties that much, but very few writers live off their royalties anyway. It's the other stuff that elevates them into the middle class, or beyond.

    I guess you could say that from her perspective, it's a win-win.

  300. @Jack D
    So you're saying that Jews are a separate race ? I can't "convert" to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black? What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew? Adorno was 1/2 but he was still "a Jew" according to peterike. If Jews are a race, are Sephardic Jews like Derrida from a different race than Ashkenazi Jews?

    What if my grandparents converted TO Judaism like Ariel Sharon who was of Russian "Subbotnik" descent? Was he Jewish? If he did something bad, does that go down in the "Jewish" or "Russian" column?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago? As far as anyone can tell, today's Ashkenazi Jews are a product of matings between Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls, so are Jews themselves only 1/2 Jewish?

    I can’t “convert” to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black?

    Not biologically, no.

    What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew?

    At the most, I’d say 1/8 or less. Octojoon.

    Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts. Not to mention the existence of other nasty genetic ailments. On the plus side, there is sometimes real genius that can also be a heritable Jewish trait.

    Ariel Sharon who was of Russian “Subbotnik” descent

    Cite? Was Ariel Sharon entirely descended from Russian gentile stock, as you imply? Wikipedia is unclear on this.

    If he did something bad

    Did he? If you say it’s bad, maybe he shouldn’t have done it.

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago?

    Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls

    Think of it this way: If a tribe of segregated mulattos intermarried over centuries, would they be a separate race? Yes. Perhaps the term “breed” is preferable to “race” but the biological significance remains the same.

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas, whose descendants have intermarried for generation after generation. Are they white? No. “Black” suffices as a racial descriptor.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas,
     
    Oh, the horror, the horror.

    (1/2) Kenyans are vastly different from white people, separated by 40,000 years. The difference between Jews and other European (esp. Mediterranean) peoples are tiny and insignificant by comparison. Al Pacino can convincingly play a Jewish character. There's no way he could play Barack Obama.

    , @Corvinus
    "Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts."

    LOL. That's what I love about this site. Comments like yours that are so way out of the norm. And the not so funny thing is you actually believe what you write.
    , @Jane Plain
    "At the most, I’d say 1/8 or less. Octojoon."

    By that definition, Shelby Foote was a Jew.

    Victor "Brute" Krulak was a Jew. (I'm sure you know who he was.)

    Dominic Raab is a Jew. (He probably engineered the virus to attack Johnson, who is also a Jew.)

    George R. R. Martin is a Jew.

    Leslie Howard was a Jew.

    Rita Wilson (Margarita Ibrahimoff) is not Jewish. She's half-Muslim.
  301. @ben tillman

    Finally, it’s divisive and counterproductive for the right to say negative things about Jews.
     
    It's absolutely necessary to tell the truth. Whites need an accurate understanding of the world around them if they are to protect their interests, which is why a particular group "randomly" monopolized the most powerful indoctrination medium ever invented.

    It also is destructive of the unity of Western whites to be randomly insulting their ancestors, family, and friends.
     
    Nothing could be less random.

    “ It’s absolutely necessary to tell the truth.”

    WN’s constant harping on the Frankfurt School and mid-century Jewish commies strikes me as the same as Democrats’ Hitler talk to attack Trump and Bannon.

    Rosa Luxemburg is DEAD!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    That makes no sense. The Frankfurt school *was* the Frankfurt school, and mid-century Jewish Commies *were* mid-century Jewish Commies.

    Trump and Bannon were and are not Hitler or even Hitler-like.
  302. @Buffalo Joe
    Jack, my mother sent me to my mostly Polish HS school with eggplant parm sandwiches on home made Italian bread. That is now a staple at most sub shops around here. And I remember "harps" from South Buffalo calling me a garlic snapper. Can't remember the last time some one said "Let's go out for Irish tonight." Thanks for the reply. Stay Safe.

    eggplant parm sandwiches

    Hey Joe, where can I get one of those next time I’m on my way to Canader through Buffalo? They sound yummy.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Jim, the best subs in WNY are made by Wegman's but they don't have an eggplant parm. Their chicken parm is outstanding. So, eggplant sub, on the West Side, at La Nova's. They have been around forever and are supposedly owned and operated by the head of the local Arm. Don't believe that. Good subs, great pizza.
  303. @Jack D
    The start of this particular thread was that the Asian lady was infected with ideas by "Jews" like Marx and Adorno. Did Marx and Adorno inherit their ideology as a Jewish racial characteristic, the way that blacks inherit running ability even if they are adopted by a white family? Obviously they were intelligent men and certainly intelligence is required to expound new systems of thought the way that they did and intelligence may be inherited to a fairly large extent, but were their ideas genetically influenced by their Jewish racial heritage in a way that would be different if they were men of equal intelligence but NOT of Jewish descent?

    Was this influence purely (or even partly) genetic or was it that they grew up in households of recent converts and so their parents still had learned "Jewish" modes of thinking that they imparted to their children (and could have imparted those same ideas if Marx had an adopted brother)?

    Interesting conversation you’re having with yourself. It seems that you’re reluctantly coming to the conclusion that all your questions point to “yes.”

  304. @Reg Cæsar

    the Chinese were excluded from the U.S. altogether, an immigration ban that was essentially a form of global segregation...
     
    ...and differed from China's own immigration policy in that...?

    Her name suggests she's Korean and married Chinese. Her pan-Asianism may just be family dynamics at play. (The real insult wouldn't be "model minority", but "comfort woman".)

    I can't imagine what she's teaching her kids.

    A recent "tweet":

    What gives me hope about Biden: he's not an ideologue and therefore he can be swayed. Therefore we must steer him as left as we can.
     
    From an interview:

    So much to my parent’s dismay who were hoping I’d go to a more name-brand school like Berkeley, I chose Oberlin, which they tried to sell off to their friends as the “Harvard of Ohio.” Oberlin is in a desolate stretch of Lorain County and there’s absolutely nothing to do so students had to entertain themselves by being in bands, becoming vegan activists, and throwing drag parties. It was there that I made the best of friends, became politicized, and believed in making radical art. I discovered poetry. I made horribly pretentious installation art like washing random people’s feet in a chapel with a video projected against the altar. I went to punk shows, lived in dirty co-ops, stopped taking showers and had equally unwashed boyfriends. I discovered Marx, Adorno, Derrida and Spivak. It was all very much a liberal, liberal arts education and I loved every minute of it, even the depressed parts.

    https://www.poetrynw.org/interview-cathy-park-hong/
     
    But wait... seems I was wrong about her personal life:


    So you met your husband, artist and filmmaker, Mores McWreath in Seoul!

    Yes. He was also living in New York beforehand. His girlfriend broke up with him and his best friend who was teaching English in Korea for a year convinced him to move to Korea and teach. We met through my sister who was also living there at the time and we fell in love quickly. My parents weren’t too happy about the fact that I went all the way to Korea to meet a white boy from Brooklyn.
     
    "Mores McWreath"! From his "statement":

    The world of my videos is one inhabited exclusively by my white hetero cis-male body twisted, multiplied, split, and digitally altered to the point of rupture.

    http://www.moresmcwreath.com/bio
     
    Cathy Park Hong = Hack tong harpy.

    Mores McWreath = Marmot chewers.

    Yeah, eating this might make you sick:


    https://animalsking.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/tarbagan-marmot-lifestyle-and-habitat-tarbagan-2.jpg

    Wow, ten replies!

    Are marmot photos the cat videos of the Steve-o-sphere?

  305. @Jim Don Bob

    I’d guess the average black american over 65 gets about $30,000 in social security,...
     
    I know people who get $30k+ in SS and none of them are black. All had long work histories of making big $.

    The max SS benefit at full retirement age is about $3k or $36k a year (https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/102814/what-maximum-i-can-receive-my-social-security-retirement-benefit.asp)

    More likely is people like my mother-in-law who worked spordically at low wage jobs, and often off the books, who get $700 a month.

    You’re right, My error was I based this on my own mostly UMC family. Looks like the US average is $18,036 a year, and blacks would probably be less than this.

    Though the figure includes immigrants without full work histories and this must bias it downward.

  306. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I suggest you ask your CIA or FBI handlers for a different assignment. This has gotta be boring for you.

    “I suggest you ask your CIA or FBI handlers for a different assignment. This has gotta be boring for you.”

    Not in the least, since you are the mark. Just giving you heads up and a sporting chance.

  307. @Bardon Kaldian
    I Ching is something like the all-knowing person you can communicate with. Of course most people use it for divination or which course they should take, but, with little imagination you can ask it all & everything under the sun.

    I Ching is something like the all-knowing person you can communicate with.

    Dude, sign up for a 3 week vacation on “Naked and Afraid”!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_and_Afraid

    Totally sign up! No machete, just the I Ching!

  308. @Jim Don Bob

    eggplant parm sandwiches
     
    Hey Joe, where can I get one of those next time I'm on my way to Canader through Buffalo? They sound yummy.

    Jim, the best subs in WNY are made by Wegman’s but they don’t have an eggplant parm. Their chicken parm is outstanding. So, eggplant sub, on the West Side, at La Nova’s. They have been around forever and are supposedly owned and operated by the head of the local Arm. Don’t believe that. Good subs, great pizza.

    • Thanks: Jim Don Bob
  309. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I can’t “convert” to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black?
     
    Not biologically, no.

    What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew?
     
    At the most, I’d say 1/8 or less. Octojoon.

    Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts. Not to mention the existence of other nasty genetic ailments. On the plus side, there is sometimes real genius that can also be a heritable Jewish trait.

    Ariel Sharon who was of Russian “Subbotnik” descent
     
    Cite? Was Ariel Sharon entirely descended from Russian gentile stock, as you imply? Wikipedia is unclear on this.

    If he did something bad
     
    Did he? If you say it’s bad, maybe he shouldn’t have done it.

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago?

    Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls
     
    Think of it this way: If a tribe of segregated mulattos intermarried over centuries, would they be a separate race? Yes. Perhaps the term “breed” is preferable to “race” but the biological significance remains the same.

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas, whose descendants have intermarried for generation after generation. Are they white? No. “Black” suffices as a racial descriptor.

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas,

    Oh, the horror, the horror.

    (1/2) Kenyans are vastly different from white people, separated by 40,000 years. The difference between Jews and other European (esp. Mediterranean) peoples are tiny and insignificant by comparison. Al Pacino can convincingly play a Jewish character. There’s no way he could play Barack Obama.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Huh?

    I made the ‘Obama mulatto-descendant’ analogy because you bizarrely implied that Ashkenazim might only be “1/2 Jewish” presumably because of centuries-old initial Italian matrilineal descent: But if mulattoes aren’t European, neither are Ashkenazim.

    Why are you ashamed to admit that Jews (Ashkenazim or otherwise) are biologically distinct from Europeans? Marx and Adorno are Jews. (Or in Adorno’s case “Half Jew!” as Howard Stern would drolly admonish a guest who called Stern a Jew.) That shouldn’t offend you, it’s just a fact.
  310. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I can’t “convert” to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black?
     
    Not biologically, no.

    What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew?
     
    At the most, I’d say 1/8 or less. Octojoon.

    Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts. Not to mention the existence of other nasty genetic ailments. On the plus side, there is sometimes real genius that can also be a heritable Jewish trait.

    Ariel Sharon who was of Russian “Subbotnik” descent
     
    Cite? Was Ariel Sharon entirely descended from Russian gentile stock, as you imply? Wikipedia is unclear on this.

    If he did something bad
     
    Did he? If you say it’s bad, maybe he shouldn’t have done it.

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago?

    Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls
     
    Think of it this way: If a tribe of segregated mulattos intermarried over centuries, would they be a separate race? Yes. Perhaps the term “breed” is preferable to “race” but the biological significance remains the same.

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas, whose descendants have intermarried for generation after generation. Are they white? No. “Black” suffices as a racial descriptor.

    “Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts.”

    LOL. That’s what I love about this site. Comments like yours that are so way out of the norm. And the not so funny thing is you actually believe what you write.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LOL. That’s what I love about this site. Comments like yours that are so way out of the norm.
     
    Thank you, Corvinus. If anything, I try not to be boring.

    And the not so funny thing is you actually believe what you write.
     
    Yet you admit you laughed. Sometimes possible truths are funny and also a bit dark. If you read something that could be true that you don’t want to admit to yourself could be true, well there’s your comment section frisson right there. You’re welcome. ;)
  311. Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @nobodyofnowhere

    Like many New Yorkers, I was jaywalking and nearly walked into a Latino deliveryman whizzing by on his bicycle. “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.
     
    So, why exactly are we to assume that the coronavirus pandemic is responsible for a deliveryman cursing her out when she nearly caused him to crash?

    “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.

    This is an obvious Asian humble-brag.

    Korean-American Cathy Hong is secretly flattered to have been mistaken for a Chinese.

    Koreans (especially those from the South of the peninsula) were for centuries regarded as uncouth ruffians by their Chinese neighbors. Educated Koreans themselves internalized much of the Chinese worldview, developing a distinct cultural inferiority complex as a result. Having to rely on borrowed Chinese culture in virtually all spheres of life did not help Koreans’ self-confidence.

    More recently, a period as second-class citizens of the Japanese empire, followed by the traumatic Korean War followed by decades of poverty further dented Koreans’ self-confidence.

    Just as seriously, Korean society has since time immemorial been riven by profound class differences (including the existence of outcast groups), and a hodge-podge of local loyalties.

    • Replies: @bucky
    Fuck no. Nobody likes being mistaken for Chinese. The Chinese don't have anything cool like samurai warriors. They reputation they've built up is pretty bad, overall. They're seen as dishonorable, dog-eating, liars.
  312. @Lot
    “ It’s absolutely necessary to tell the truth.”

    WN’s constant harping on the Frankfurt School and mid-century Jewish commies strikes me as the same as Democrats’ Hitler talk to attack Trump and Bannon.

    Rosa Luxemburg is DEAD!

    That makes no sense. The Frankfurt school *was* the Frankfurt school, and mid-century Jewish Commies *were* mid-century Jewish Commies.

    Trump and Bannon were and are not Hitler or even Hitler-like.

  313. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yeah but wait'll Amy turns 82.

    Old and blonde?

  314. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I can’t “convert” to Christianity any more than I can convert to being female or black?
     
    Not biologically, no.

    What is the blood quantum at which I cease being a Jew?
     
    At the most, I’d say 1/8 or less. Octojoon.

    Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts. Not to mention the existence of other nasty genetic ailments. On the plus side, there is sometimes real genius that can also be a heritable Jewish trait.

    Ariel Sharon who was of Russian “Subbotnik” descent
     
    Cite? Was Ariel Sharon entirely descended from Russian gentile stock, as you imply? Wikipedia is unclear on this.

    If he did something bad
     
    Did he? If you say it’s bad, maybe he shouldn’t have done it.

    So you’re saying that Jews are a separate race ?

    What if the conversion happened centuries ago?

    Judean merchants and sexy Italian girls
     
    Think of it this way: If a tribe of segregated mulattos intermarried over centuries, would they be a separate race? Yes. Perhaps the term “breed” is preferable to “race” but the biological significance remains the same.

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas, whose descendants have intermarried for generation after generation. Are they white? No. “Black” suffices as a racial descriptor.

    “At the most, I’d say 1/8 or less. Octojoon.”

    By that definition, Shelby Foote was a Jew.

    Victor “Brute” Krulak was a Jew. (I’m sure you know who he was.)

    Dominic Raab is a Jew. (He probably engineered the virus to attack Johnson, who is also a Jew.)

    George R. R. Martin is a Jew.

    Leslie Howard was a Jew.

    Rita Wilson (Margarita Ibrahimoff) is not Jewish. She’s half-Muslim.

  315. @Jack D

    Imagine a tribe of male and female Barack Obamas,
     
    Oh, the horror, the horror.

    (1/2) Kenyans are vastly different from white people, separated by 40,000 years. The difference between Jews and other European (esp. Mediterranean) peoples are tiny and insignificant by comparison. Al Pacino can convincingly play a Jewish character. There's no way he could play Barack Obama.

    Huh?

    I made the ‘Obama mulatto-descendant’ analogy because you bizarrely implied that Ashkenazim might only be “1/2 Jewish” presumably because of centuries-old initial Italian matrilineal descent: But if mulattoes aren’t European, neither are Ashkenazim.

    Why are you ashamed to admit that Jews (Ashkenazim or otherwise) are biologically distinct from Europeans? Marx and Adorno are Jews. (Or in Adorno’s case “Half Jew!” as Howard Stern would drolly admonish a guest who called Stern a Jew.) That shouldn’t offend you, it’s just a fact.

  316. @Corvinus
    "Jewish (self-)destructive autistic chutzpah is possibly a dominant inherited trait that manifests in even small amounts."

    LOL. That's what I love about this site. Comments like yours that are so way out of the norm. And the not so funny thing is you actually believe what you write.

    LOL. That’s what I love about this site. Comments like yours that are so way out of the norm.

    Thank you, Corvinus. If anything, I try not to be boring.

    And the not so funny thing is you actually believe what you write.

    Yet you admit you laughed. Sometimes possible truths are funny and also a bit dark. If you read something that could be true that you don’t want to admit to yourself could be true, well there’s your comment section frisson right there. You’re welcome. 😉

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Yet you admit you laughed."

    Right, I laughed because your comment is "out there".

    "Sometimes possible truths are funny and also a bit dark."

    How possibly is this "truth"? What is the percentage here in your estimation?

    "If you read something that could be true that you don’t want to admit to yourself could be true..."

    COULD be true. Why don't you offer requisite proof to back up your assertion?
  317. @Corvinus
    "I think whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism."

    Could you elaborate on this point? Thanks.

    Here’s an example.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    OK, so you offered a link. A great start. But there is no explanation on your part. So WHY DO YOU THINK whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism? Thanks.
  318. @Jim Don Bob
    There is a hilarious scene in the movie The Gentlemen (highly recommended) where Colin Farrel is talking to one of his fighters who is complaining that another fighter called him a "black cunt".

    Colin says, "You're black, right?" "Right." "And you're a cunt, right?" "Right." "So you see that's not racist, it's just the truth."

    Will be at Redbox real soon. Best movie since Ford Vs. Ferrari.

    https://www.thegentlemen.movie/

    I saw it. T’wasn’t bad. Rather un-PC on the whole. I would have preferred that Michelle Dockery’s role had been played by Rose Byrne. Dockery just looks like an emaciated Melanie Lynskey. For that matter, I would have preferred Melanie Lynskey in the role – she’s pretty hot.

  319. @Craig Nelsen

    However, most Asian Americans like it here and are well liked here by the rest of us.
     
    Of course, those Asians will never get a column in the New York Times because they wouldn't feed the NYT ethnic strategy of "let's you and him fight". Cathy Hong is too dumb, self-absorbed, and, frankly, female to see how she is being played.

    Cathy Hong is too dumb, self-absorbed, and, frankly, female to see how she is being played.

    Cathy Hong is an obscure writer, though considerably less obscure than she was one week ago. By recounting her brush with the beast of American race hatred, she has ingratiated herself among the American intelligensia — most of whom had never heard of her before — and she can now call herself a contributor to the New York Times.

    The amount of money spent marketing her books and sending her out on lecture tours will increase. Invitations from universities for her to teach for a semester or speak to an auditorium of students will increase. She will be a panelist and guest speaker at conferences. She may find herself lucky enough to become an “expert” on Asian-American suffering and outrage — though that would be easier with better facial features — with all the publicity and income enhancement that this implies.

    This may or may not boost her royalties that much, but very few writers live off their royalties anyway. It’s the other stuff that elevates them into the middle class, or beyond.

    I guess you could say that from her perspective, it’s a win-win.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Black Sea, she can reach for the stars. Be a judge on "America's Got Prejudice" or not making this up...Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was a judge on RuPaul's "Drag Race." You know, I wish I was making that up, and I only watched for like 5 minutes.
  320. @Anonymous

    “Chinese bitch!” he shouted as he rode by.
     
    This is an obvious Asian humble-brag.

    Korean-American Cathy Hong is secretly flattered to have been mistaken for a Chinese.

    Koreans (especially those from the South of the peninsula) were for centuries regarded as uncouth ruffians by their Chinese neighbors. Educated Koreans themselves internalized much of the Chinese worldview, developing a distinct cultural inferiority complex as a result. Having to rely on borrowed Chinese culture in virtually all spheres of life did not help Koreans' self-confidence.

    More recently, a period as second-class citizens of the Japanese empire, followed by the traumatic Korean War followed by decades of poverty further dented Koreans' self-confidence.

    Just as seriously, Korean society has since time immemorial been riven by profound class differences (including the existence of outcast groups), and a hodge-podge of local loyalties.

    Fuck no. Nobody likes being mistaken for Chinese. The Chinese don’t have anything cool like samurai warriors. They reputation they’ve built up is pretty bad, overall. They’re seen as dishonorable, dog-eating, liars.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Kung Fu was absolutely huge when I was a kid but has now pretty well disappeared.
  321. @Bardon Kaldian
    I Ching is something like the all-knowing person you can communicate with. Of course most people use it for divination or which course they should take, but, with little imagination you can ask it all & everything under the sun.

    My memory of the I Ching is that every answer is some form of “perseverance furthers”.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    Sometimes. Let me illustrate what I mean when I say I Ching is magnificent (I'm quoting from memory, Wilhelm-Baynes translation).

    My late mother had a strange idea she would die when she was 65 (she died, but years later). So I asked I Ching about it, and the answer was 16>45, the changing line saying: Chronically ill, still does not die. Now, that's real answer - and true, by the way.

    When I asked I Ching about Buddhist world-view (life is suffering etc.), I got 10>1, the changing line: one-eyed man can see, but- clearly?, implying that Buddhists' was a narrow world-view.

    So, it is, basically, what a man asks....

    , @anon
    My memory of the I Ching is that every answer is some form of “perseverance furthers”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRX6hSGeZs4
  322. @Dave Pinsen
    Here's an example.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1127369343916965889?s=20

    OK, so you offered a link. A great start. But there is no explanation on your part. So WHY DO YOU THINK whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism? Thanks.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    I offered you an example.

    The reason whites often erroneously interpret the ethnocentrism and nationalism of nonwhites as liberalism or conservatism is because they assume nonwhites think like they do.
  323. @black sea

    Cathy Hong is too dumb, self-absorbed, and, frankly, female to see how she is being played.
     
    Cathy Hong is an obscure writer, though considerably less obscure than she was one week ago. By recounting her brush with the beast of American race hatred, she has ingratiated herself among the American intelligensia -- most of whom had never heard of her before -- and she can now call herself a contributor to the New York Times.

    The amount of money spent marketing her books and sending her out on lecture tours will increase. Invitations from universities for her to teach for a semester or speak to an auditorium of students will increase. She will be a panelist and guest speaker at conferences. She may find herself lucky enough to become an "expert" on Asian-American suffering and outrage -- though that would be easier with better facial features -- with all the publicity and income enhancement that this implies.

    This may or may not boost her royalties that much, but very few writers live off their royalties anyway. It's the other stuff that elevates them into the middle class, or beyond.

    I guess you could say that from her perspective, it's a win-win.

    Black Sea, she can reach for the stars. Be a judge on “America’s Got Prejudice” or not making this up…Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was a judge on RuPaul’s “Drag Race.” You know, I wish I was making that up, and I only watched for like 5 minutes.

  324. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LOL. That’s what I love about this site. Comments like yours that are so way out of the norm.
     
    Thank you, Corvinus. If anything, I try not to be boring.

    And the not so funny thing is you actually believe what you write.
     
    Yet you admit you laughed. Sometimes possible truths are funny and also a bit dark. If you read something that could be true that you don’t want to admit to yourself could be true, well there’s your comment section frisson right there. You’re welcome. ;)

    “Yet you admit you laughed.”

    Right, I laughed because your comment is “out there”.

    “Sometimes possible truths are funny and also a bit dark.”

    How possibly is this “truth”? What is the percentage here in your estimation?

    “If you read something that could be true that you don’t want to admit to yourself could be true…”

    COULD be true. Why don’t you offer requisite proof to back up your assertion?

  325. @Corvinus
    OK, so you offered a link. A great start. But there is no explanation on your part. So WHY DO YOU THINK whites often erroneously interpret the nationalism and ethnocentrism of nonwhites as conservatism or liberalism? Thanks.

    I offered you an example.

    The reason whites often erroneously interpret the ethnocentrism and nationalism of nonwhites as liberalism or conservatism is because they assume nonwhites think like they do.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I offered you an example."

    You gave me a link to without your commentary. I would like ascertain your exact reasoning here. How exactly is it an example?
  326. @Jim Don Bob
    My memory of the I Ching is that every answer is some form of "perseverance furthers".

    Sometimes. Let me illustrate what I mean when I say I Ching is magnificent (I’m quoting from memory, Wilhelm-Baynes translation).

    My late mother had a strange idea she would die when she was 65 (she died, but years later). So I asked I Ching about it, and the answer was 16>45, the changing line saying: Chronically ill, still does not die. Now, that’s real answer – and true, by the way.

    When I asked I Ching about Buddhist world-view (life is suffering etc.), I got 10>1, the changing line: one-eyed man can see, but- clearly?, implying that Buddhists’ was a narrow world-view.

    So, it is, basically, what a man asks….

  327. @Jim Don Bob
    My memory of the I Ching is that every answer is some form of "perseverance furthers".

    My memory of the I Ching is that every answer is some form of “perseverance furthers”.

  328. @Dave Pinsen
    I offered you an example.

    The reason whites often erroneously interpret the ethnocentrism and nationalism of nonwhites as liberalism or conservatism is because they assume nonwhites think like they do.

    “I offered you an example.”

    You gave me a link to without your commentary. I would like ascertain your exact reasoning here. How exactly is it an example?

  329. @ic1000
    The comment by Lot and the prior one by AnotherDad were well worth re-reading. These two have sharp disputes, yet they agree more than they disagree. I’m between them, as are many commenters here, I suspect. This range of badthinking is on the other side of the 2020 Overton window.

    Steve’s habit of posting book reviews of articles in The Forward has been an eye opener to me. Like the woke DC rabbi reveling in his personal Flight from White journey. Some Jewish intellectuals really do think this way, and these expressions of anti-white racism are unremarkable in terms of that version of Polite Society.

    Yet Some Of My Best Friends Are Jews, and rather stereotypical American Reform Ashkenazis at that. The character and extent of our disagreements are not distinguishable from those I have with Gentile friends and family. AnotherDad would be hard-pressed to tell which group these 115-130 IQ individuals and their families belong to.

    There are alignments of interests among the sorts of Americans you’d welcome as neighbors and family, of whatever race.

    It’s ironic that the best book on middle-man minorities, World On Fire, was written by Amy Chua. Her first shout-out in the Acknowledgments is to her husband, Jed Rubenfeld.

    When the strong man weakens, and his servant is restless, the once strong man whistles for a middle man. Life goes on, but more complicated.

  330. @Mr McKenna

    I suddenly realized that I could be spreading stereotypes about Chinese people.
     
    ZOMG! Back to the rice paddies for re-education you go!

    I kept imagining the coronavirus as an irradiating purple light lancing through the cracks of our white-supremacist world.
     
    AKA Planet Earth, amirite? And yet we black and brown bodies are irresistibly attracted to the very whitest nations, too, like moths to a flame! For reasons. Shut up.

    Cathy Park Hong’s book of essays, “Trivial Feelings: Asian American Whining” was published in February 2020
     
    FIFY

    That “white-supremacist world” has more Han Chinese supremacists in it than there are actual white people.

  331. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad


    “ but the personality profile–conformity and compliance–skews female.”
     
    We’re not going to succeed being needlessly offensive like thay. That goes for your “Jewish minoritarian” phrase too.
     
    Don't see how "skews male"--which you didn't quote--or "skews female" is offensive.

    We all have a mixture of traits that "worked" for both our female and male ancestors.

    I "skew female" in personal empathy and perhaps helpfulness--more than the male average. But i understand it is *personal*. I don't wallow in it, lifetime channel style. And most importantly i don't drag it into the larger world. My high dose of "male systemizer" and male rationality are dominant. I don't see a dead refugee kid on the beach and think that cancels 3000 years of Western Civilization.

    ~~

    I realize "Jewish minoritarianism" can be offensive to Jews and good whites steeped in the official narrative. However, i think it is accurate.

    1) Minoritarianism is real. A distinct ideology: Majorities--oppressive, evil--minorities--struggling, virtuous, good.

    -- I'm old enough to remember the "before time" in the mid-60s. There was a lot of instruction about "prejudice" but minoritarianism was not yet a thing. Whatever King thought, his "I have a Dream" speech had to be pitched on "fair shake" in common culture, not "whitey bad".

    -- Saying multi-culturalism doesn't cut it. First off it's unspecific. It means everything from "restaurants" through "a hodgepodge of cultures" to actual minoritarianism. Because it is intentionally fuzzy saying "multi-culturalism" doesn't do much. We need a name for this nasty "majorities bad" ideology.

    2) It is a Jewish ideology.

    -- It arose with the rise of the Jews.

    -- It was developed and driven by Jews. Lots of minorities clamored aboard, but really black "intelectuals" (ex. TNC) didn't drive anything. They have a few media and academic sinecures and college kids will be forced to read some of their drivel, but they don't dominant media--news, Hollyweird--and academia.

    -- It is clearly, incontrovertibly the ideology of a middle-man minority pursing its self-interest--game theory 101. It's purpose is to delegitimate the majority's right to rule itself--you know that old canard of "majority rule". To "make space" for a middle-man minority to work its way in, gain influence and power, but delegitimate majority self-defense or push-back--delegitimate the majority defending its interests.


    Note: I'm well aware that bringing brains steeped in our minoritarian Orwellian nightmare and hitting them with "Jewish minoritarianism" isn't a winning political strategy. But this is iSteve. I'm not writing speeches for Trump

    Ultimately for the West to survive minoritarianism must be routed. Civilization and minoritarianism are incompatible. We don't destroy it--we're simply handing the world over to the Chinese.

    Jews--post Holocaust--have firewalled off all criticism of Jewish behavior with this "anti-Semitism" nonsense. Essentially, the idea that everyone critical of Jews, Jewish behavior, has some sort of irrational mind virus, rather than simply not liking Jews' actual behavior. Sorry, but all groups--Jews included--have patterns of behavior and some of them are behaviors that other groups don't necessary find pleasant. Or there's simply conflict between group interests. Jews pursue the interests of Jews ... which are *not* in the interest of gentiles--i.e. normal people, (a nation's majority people and culture).

    Too bad for gypsies, they don't have the skills/influence to hop on this train. And declare objection to gypsy behavior to be "anti-Romaism" and off limits to polites society.

    Every group would like this Jewish privilege of outlawing criticism!

    But we can't let it stand and have minoritarianism--yes, "Jewish minoritarianism"--destroy the West.

    Majorties have a right--an absolute right--to run their nations according to their norms, values and culture, now and forever. They have a right to survive.

    When did ‘tolerance’ replace ‘freedom’ as the most important civic ideal?

  332. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @bucky
    Fuck no. Nobody likes being mistaken for Chinese. The Chinese don't have anything cool like samurai warriors. They reputation they've built up is pretty bad, overall. They're seen as dishonorable, dog-eating, liars.

    Kung Fu was absolutely huge when I was a kid but has now pretty well disappeared.

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