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From the Hollywood Reporter:

Ta-Nehisi Coates and the Future of Superman
FEBRUARY 26, 2021 2:00PM by Richard Newby

The celebrated writer has the insight and experience to delve further into the mythos in way never seen on screen.

After remaining grounded for far too long, Superman is finally ready to fly again. Though this time, when he returns, he’ll be made new once again. Warner Bros. is rebooting Superman with writer Ta-Nehisi Coates and producer J.J. Abrams. …

As for Coates, the acclaimed author and journalist known for his non-fiction work concerning African-Americans, The Beautiful Struggle, Between the World and Me, We Were Eight Years in Power: An American Tragedy, carved out a space in the world of superheroes as the ongoing writer of Black Panther and Captain America for Marvel Comics. …

The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed that this new Superman project is aiming to star a Black Superman. It’s possible that this will be another version of Clark Kent, but more intriguing is the possibility that it will be either Calvin Ellis or Val-Zod, Supermen from within DC’s comic book multiverse. Calvin Ellis, created by Grant Morrison and Doug Mahnke first appeared in Final Crisis No. 7 (2009). Inspired by Barack Obama, this iteration of Superman is also President of the United States of America, and uses his superpowers to directly confront global politics …

Calvin Ellis, Val-Zod, or potentially someone new could certainly change certain notions about what Superman means, and how his power is perceived. Certainly in a post-HBO’s Watchmen world, there are numerous questions about what a Black hero would and could accomplish when gifted with the powers of a god. Despite the growing number of Black superheroes in our media, Black Panther, Falcon, Black Canary, War Machine, we’ve never seen a Black hero with the powers of Superman take action.

In film and television we’ve always been aware of Superman’s alien nature through the fact that he can pass as a white man. And as a white man, and the privileges that come with that, Clark Kent/Superman’s fallibility is something to be reckoned with.

 
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  1. They’ll adapt Grant Morrison’s Obama Superman from Action Comics/Multiversity. The story is trite but does have the moderately amusing crux of the still White Luthor feeling the need to declare that he’s not racist, he’s speciesist.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @gent

    Sad, because in the excellent Justice League cartoon series from the early 2000s, Luthor was a prime antagonist, and he was painted as a nasty out-front racist, but with racism turned to specisism:

    -He won't call Superman by name, only "alien."

    -He insults hyper-intelligent ape supervillain Gorilla Grodd with the term "monkey."

    -He takes a female concubine magician lady, but insults her as "witch."

    All of these are contextual insults, and its the voice actor doing Luthor who really infuses them with hate.

    Luthor was one of the best characters in the series.

  2. Remember, the Great Replacement is just a figment of the fragile white mind. White Erasure is NOT a thing!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @anon215


    Remember, the Great Replacement is just a figment of the fragile white mind. White Erasure is NOT a thing!
     
    Superman was never really yours to begin with.
    , @Truth
    @anon215


    Remember, the Great Replacement is just a figment of the fragile white mind. White Erasure is NOT a thing!
     
    Do you still own a television?

    Great, then STFU.
  3. So why make flicks like Black Panther?

    First. they get black superheroes.

    Second, they make the white ones black.

    Third… they carp about appropriation.

    Where’s the logic here?

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Franz


    Where’s the logic here?
     
    Other groups need to have their own spaces and ingroupness celebrated. Whites need to have their spaces destroyed and ingroupness vilified.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Franz

    "Second, they make the white ones black."

    This is beginning to resemble a Rod Sterling script written by a Rod not infected with squishy humanism. Rod and Billy Jack were first generation white anti-racists.

    , @Truth
    @Franz


    So why make flicks like Black Panther?

    First. they get black superheroes.

    Second, they make the white ones black.

    Third… they carp about appropriation.

    Where’s the logic here?
     
    Do you still own a television?

    Great, then STFU.

    Replies: @Franz

  4. Escalators are problematic. Are there any in Africa? On the one hand, we’d naturally want to share the blessings of modern technology with Africans, as we do everywhere else and with everything else.

    On the other hand, we already get accused of every sort of voodoo, from systemic this to stereotype that. Why invite more trouble? Then there’s airplanes. And plumbing. Why force this stuff on them?

  5. Coates, the acclaimed author and journalist known for his non-fiction work concerning African-Americans

    WAIT a minute. They said NON-fiction??

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
    • LOL: Escher, bomag
  6. Hi Steve,

    Yes! thanks to my genius, the new white-man superman will not only be faster than a speeding bullet, but so fast he will be able to stop a white woman from phoning the police to report an illegal BBQ in the park; or pressing ‘record’ to video a homosexual ‘birdwatcher’ lurk around in the park bushes; or even from opening her mouth to ask to speak to the manager!

    Yours,

    Leonardo Ta-Vinci Coates

    • LOL: El Dato
  7. I’ve got to assume the Nazis would have found making a literal Superman out of Adolf Hitler to be far too on the nose, but somehow so-called liberals need to do it with the most war-like President in US history because he is half black.

    All of this will certainly.mean that black Americans, who are clearly so terribly deficient in self-esteem – just observe their shy, taciturn and self-deprecating culture, will suddenly stop murdering each other and start excelling at school. After all, Hindu Americans, who outperform everyone basically, have been represented by every Aryan supremacy superhero, like the very famous Shaaktiman and Doga.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Not Only Wrathful


    but somehow so-called liberals need to do it with the most war-like President in US history because he is half black.
     
    Are you sure ?!?! I've read rumors about Wilson and FDR, but never that one, that would be a huge game-changer. Woodrow does look a little swarthy now that I look at him.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  8. New Robin Changed From Asian to Black

    In August 2020, it was revealed that Tim Drake (Robin) would be joining the third season of Titans on HBO Max after the previous Robin, Jason Todd, took up the mantle of Red Hood.

    A casting call soon revealed that Warner Bros. was originally eyeing a Southeast Asian actor aged 18 or older, to play the 16-17-year-old Robin, according to The Vulcan Reporter.

    Tim Drake’s character is described as a teenager who grew up on the wrong side of the tracks but never lost his belief in heroism. He has a laid-back personality, balanced with a near-genius intellect. He has innate detective skills with a perception of detail that is way beyond his years.

    However, writers felt an African-American would best portray Tim Drake because Asians are not capable of being “laid-back and have a near-genius intellect.” Portraying an Asian Robin as such would be “unrealistic.”

    The Vulcan Reporter and The Illuminerdi both reported the African-Americanization of the new Robin was inspired by the heroic acts of the Black Lives Matter movement. Ironically, Black Lives Matter was also responsible for burning down hundreds of Asian-owned businesses from California, Chicago, Philadelphia to New York City.

    Casting decisions have drastically changed as well.

    https://www.asian-dawn.com/2020/11/03/new-robin-changed-from-asian-to-black/

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  9. Another possible version of black Superman is John Henry Irons, a.k.a. Steel.

    John Henry was one of the four Superman replacement characters in the Reign of the Supermen story arc, after the Death of Superman in 1993. He is still active in the DCU, in multiple incarnations.

    If TNC is working with John Henry Irons (a.k.a. Steel), he also can use John Henry’s family member Natasha Irons. In some incarnations, she is his niece, and in some, she is his daughter. In a 2016 series Natasha Irons was portrayed as a black lesbian with an Asian-heritage girlfriend.

    That’s some old Woke right there I tell you what.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Guest29048


    Another possible version of black Superman is John Henry Irons, a.k.a. Steel.
     
    Steel is an Iron Man knock-off that Marvel countered by introducing War Machine with the black Jim Rhodes as pilot.
  10. “What Superman means”. Please.

  11. A black Superman is pushing it too far even for Hollywood. Clark Kent has always been a 6’3, brown haired, blue-eyed WASP male from Kansas. In fact, Shuster especifically wanted a non-Jewish white male to embody Superman, to show the Nazis that an Aryan Superman could stand for the opposite values of national-socialism. Christopher Reeves had brown hair and blue eyes, and Henry Cavill had to wear blue contact lenses for the role as his eyes are brown.

    They also want to make Gillian Anderson the next James Bond. They should at least change it to Jane Bond so that they don’t go full retard in the ridiculousness category. Like there haven’t been great female Spy characters, like Mata Hari, Nikita, the Black Widow, etc. Stealing a beloved franchise to make it into a feminist statement is a crime. They already did that to Star Wars, and look how that ended.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Rockford Tyson

    I thought Shuster originally pitched him to be a villain who was a thinly-veiled reference to Nazi 'Supermen'. Couldn't get that published but everyone liked the character so much they made him the hero and kept the name.

    I don't think Gillian Anderson would be chosen, she is too old now let alone given the pace of Bond films of 3-4 years between each one and all that we do know is that they want somebody in their early to mid thirties when they start filming so they can get a good number of films out of them. Bookmakers think James Norton and Tom Hardy (Pushing it for age when they start) are the current frontrunners but Idris Elba (But again, age is a factor here too but black don't crack so maybe) and Sam Heughan (Who looks the part but is very short) in behind with Henry Cavill being a bit of stalking horse behind.

    Actually Cavill would be perfect if maybe a bit too tall and muscular but dropping some of the weight won't be a problem and he has no more Superman commitments.

    The black guy from Bridgerton would be my darkhorse for woke Bond, he is already rumoured for being the new Black Panther in the sequel. And one of the actresses from Killing Eve if they go the woman route.

  12. I can’t wait to see what version of “Black” the black Superman is going to be. Will the Kents be farmers? Or will they be rich blacks like in the Fresh Prince? Or will they be crack addicts or violent drug lords?

    Will he be African? Or maybe Australian abbo? And what pronouns will he use?

    Will Lois Lane still be white?

    Will he be super-woke? Will he reject white racist ideas like being on time? Who will play his father in the origin story?

    What will be the effect of white Kryptonite?

    • Replies: @Dissident799
    @Anon7


    Will Lois Lane still be white?
     
    Just judging by the choices of other high attaining black men, yes, Lois Lane will most definitely be white.
  13. Written by Ta-Neshisi Coates and directed by JJ Abrams with Michael B Jordan as Superman, this will be the most glorious trainwreck of all time. And it’s a Superman film so the internet will pick it apart and savage it.

    Poor Henry Cavill, the Superman fanboys have only now started to realise how much more interesting the tone and themes of Man of Steel were. I think it might be that so many of them are so immature that they call everything comic book that isn’t consumable in 100% irony as conceited ‘dark and edgy’. Maybe I’m wrong but now you’ve got Ta-Neshisi Coates, JJ Abrams and black Superman so…

    In fairness, Henry Cavill is such a physically perfect match to the comic art that it would be hard to make another one trying for the same look without constant negative comparisons with Henry Cavill, making him black solves this. Similar to how after Pierce Brosnan they went a very different direction with Bond’s looks since it was hard at the time to top Pierce Brosnan. It also means they’ve diffused any backlash organised by Cavill and his fans (Which would include a huge portion of the female power users of social media) because how is he supposed to respond in any way other than ‘I think it’s great and about time’.

    Now, whether this is a good idea in terms of making a profitable film franchise, every choice so far has been terrible that it makes me wonder if it isn’t some ‘The Producers’ like scam for tax purposes.

  14. @Franz
    So why make flicks like Black Panther?

    First. they get black superheroes.

    Second, they make the white ones black.

    Third... they carp about appropriation.

    Where's the logic here?

    Replies: @Altai, @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth

    Where’s the logic here?

    Other groups need to have their own spaces and ingroupness celebrated. Whites need to have their spaces destroyed and ingroupness vilified.

    • Agree: Franz
  15. @Rockford Tyson
    A black Superman is pushing it too far even for Hollywood. Clark Kent has always been a 6'3, brown haired, blue-eyed WASP male from Kansas. In fact, Shuster especifically wanted a non-Jewish white male to embody Superman, to show the Nazis that an Aryan Superman could stand for the opposite values of national-socialism. Christopher Reeves had brown hair and blue eyes, and Henry Cavill had to wear blue contact lenses for the role as his eyes are brown.

    They also want to make Gillian Anderson the next James Bond. They should at least change it to Jane Bond so that they don't go full retard in the ridiculousness category. Like there haven't been great female Spy characters, like Mata Hari, Nikita, the Black Widow, etc. Stealing a beloved franchise to make it into a feminist statement is a crime. They already did that to Star Wars, and look how that ended.

    Replies: @Altai

    I thought Shuster originally pitched him to be a villain who was a thinly-veiled reference to Nazi ‘Supermen’. Couldn’t get that published but everyone liked the character so much they made him the hero and kept the name.

    I don’t think Gillian Anderson would be chosen, she is too old now let alone given the pace of Bond films of 3-4 years between each one and all that we do know is that they want somebody in their early to mid thirties when they start filming so they can get a good number of films out of them. Bookmakers think James Norton and Tom Hardy (Pushing it for age when they start) are the current frontrunners but Idris Elba (But again, age is a factor here too but black don’t crack so maybe) and Sam Heughan (Who looks the part but is very short) in behind with Henry Cavill being a bit of stalking horse behind.

    Actually Cavill would be perfect if maybe a bit too tall and muscular but dropping some of the weight won’t be a problem and he has no more Superman commitments.

    The black guy from Bridgerton would be my darkhorse for woke Bond, he is already rumoured for being the new Black Panther in the sequel. And one of the actresses from Killing Eve if they go the woman route.

  16. Smart move, MSMers and college educated democrats are physically unable to say anything negative about Genius Coates. First superhero movie to sweep the oscars.

  17. @gent
    They'll adapt Grant Morrison's Obama Superman from Action Comics/Multiversity. The story is trite but does have the moderately amusing crux of the still White Luthor feeling the need to declare that he's not racist, he's speciesist.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Sad, because in the excellent Justice League cartoon series from the early 2000s, Luthor was a prime antagonist, and he was painted as a nasty out-front racist, but with racism turned to specisism:

    -He won’t call Superman by name, only “alien.”

    -He insults hyper-intelligent ape supervillain Gorilla Grodd with the term “monkey.”

    -He takes a female concubine magician lady, but insults her as “witch.”

    All of these are contextual insults, and its the voice actor doing Luthor who really infuses them with hate.

    Luthor was one of the best characters in the series.

  18. This movie will turn into a hilarious clusterfark unless Tennessee Coates’s script is heavily doctored by actual scriptwriters.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @R.G. Camara

    We'll see what the studio says when the first draft of TNC's script has the role of Kryptonite reserved for St. Augustine.

  19. Here’s what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios. Can anyone imagine Clark Gable, Cary Grant or Robert Mitchum being offered the role of Superman or Buck Rogers and accepting it? How about Ava Gardner as Lois Lane and Mickey Rooney as Jimmy Olsen with Spencer Tracy as Perry White.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @unit472


    Here’s what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios.
     
    That’s because those movies were for kids whose parents dropped the off at the theaters while the adults went off to do adult things. Today there are a lot of adults out there who just refuse to grow up, who watch these movies as much as - or even more than - the kids.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @unit472

    I think there's an argument to be made that films like the Squid and the Whale and Children of a Lesser God are as unrealistic as any comic book film.

    , @Known Fact
    @unit472


    Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios.
     
    It's just us Boomers rummaging around in our bulging bag of pop-culture artifacts to find something we can recycle and retool way beyond its proper proportion. That's how you get these awful "major motion picture" versions of stuff like Bewitched, The Coneheads, Alvin & the Chipmunks, Wild Wild West etc that were just fine in their original cheapo context.

    As a contrast look at the Peanuts cartoons -- they're so endearing in part because they were unpretentiously done on the cheap.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @unit472

    "low budget serial films for kids"

    The serials of the 30s and 40s are a blast. The Batman of the 40s serials is clearly a guy in his mid-30s who thinks gyms are for fags and smokes a couple of packs a day. Yet he kicks ass in a fury of broken stick furniture and shattered stage glass. The serial Captain America just blasts everything in sight with two .44 revolvers. Take no prisoners. This is the attitude that made the American Imperium. Now were under the boot of Tee-Hee Moobs.

    , @R.G. Camara
    @unit472

    So were Westerns once. Then Hollywood got big budget about them.

    Hating on superhero movies is so cliche. They make money, many are very good entertainment, and they have a combination nostalgia-factor for older dudes and wowee-gotta-find-out-more-about-this-guy factor for kids.

  20. @anon215
    Remember, the Great Replacement is just a figment of the fragile white mind. White Erasure is NOT a thing!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Truth

    Remember, the Great Replacement is just a figment of the fragile white mind. White Erasure is NOT a thing!

    Superman was never really yours to begin with.

  21. Yes Superman was ours. He fought for Truth, Justice, and the American Way. He literally carried the flag. He was just about the Whitest White guy ever, literally from Kansas and portrayed by George Reeves, Chris Reeve, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Brandon Routh, and Henry Cavill.

    Making him black is about as red pilling as it gets. Its GamerGate times 1000.

    And its proof corporations don’t care about making money. They really don’t. They know big ones always get bailed out every time, and thus the managers can do whatever virtue signalling they please. Governments will always bail out Warners and Disney with our money, no matter how woke and obnoxious they get.

    Please, I implore you in the name of Coca-Cola. Be less White.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Whiskey

    Woka-Cola lol


    https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8070-2.jpg

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  22. @R.G. Camara
    This movie will turn into a hilarious clusterfark unless Tennessee Coates's script is heavily doctored by actual scriptwriters.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    We’ll see what the studio says when the first draft of TNC’s script has the role of Kryptonite reserved for St. Augustine.

  23. I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

    Does any kid read comics anymore? I know lots of kids who don’t.

    • Replies: @Guest29048
    @william munny

    One can still see a kid in the comic store shopping with a parent sometimes. Yes, even today.

    Long ago, comics had ads for toy cars like Hot Wheels. In the past few decades, a comic is more likely to have an ad for a grownup vehicle, like a Harley.

    Comics cost $3.99 apiece now (or $4.99). That's twice what it would have been in the mid-80s, for example. (75¢=>$1.82) Gradually it has been higher prices, fewer sales, and older buyers.

    But the system is still viable even now during the pandemic.
    https://bleedingcool.com/comics/comic-store-in-your-future-2021-off-to-a-great-start/

    Until some yahoo like Pam Lifford at ATT/Warner Bros (look at her photo) decides to stop printing comics altogether.
    https://www.thewrap.com/pam-lifford-president-warner-bros-global-brands-experiences/

    Because the future is digital. But it doesn't have to be.

    Some are predicting this.
    https://www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-282-the-end-days-of-dc-comics/

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @william munny


    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

     

    The brainchild of Shusterowich and Segalovich, of קליוולאנד, אהייא.

    Surprising he has so many defenders here. His creators were Walt Disney-in-reverse, screwed over (entirely legally) by a WASP oddball with the prissy double-barreled surname of Wheeler-Nicholson. (From his mother and stepfather. This was about seven decades before that feminist fad took off.)

    Replies: @Macumazahn, @syonredux

    , @C. Van Carter
    @william munny

    Superman, Black Panther, and Coates - all three are characters created by Jews.

    Replies: @Abe

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @william munny

    "I know lots of kids who don't."

    When I was a little jerk I received images through a narrative lens. The little creeps these days receive images in a disjointed, fragmented stream through their 'phones.' That's why the little sobs are zombies.

  24. @Whiskey
    Yes Superman was ours. He fought for Truth, Justice, and the American Way. He literally carried the flag. He was just about the Whitest White guy ever, literally from Kansas and portrayed by George Reeves, Chris Reeve, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Brandon Routh, and Henry Cavill.

    Making him black is about as red pilling as it gets. Its GamerGate times 1000.

    And its proof corporations don't care about making money. They really don't. They know big ones always get bailed out every time, and thus the managers can do whatever virtue signalling they please. Governments will always bail out Warners and Disney with our money, no matter how woke and obnoxious they get.

    Please, I implore you in the name of Coca-Cola. Be less White.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Woka-Cola lol

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @HammerJack

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81WmSefYcCL._SL1500_.jpg

  25. @Anon7
    I can’t wait to see what version of “Black” the black Superman is going to be. Will the Kents be farmers? Or will they be rich blacks like in the Fresh Prince? Or will they be crack addicts or violent drug lords?

    Will he be African? Or maybe Australian abbo? And what pronouns will he use?

    Will Lois Lane still be white?

    Will he be super-woke? Will he reject white racist ideas like being on time? Who will play his father in the origin story?

    What will be the effect of white Kryptonite?

    Replies: @Dissident799

    Will Lois Lane still be white?

    Just judging by the choices of other high attaining black men, yes, Lois Lane will most definitely be white.

  26. @unit472
    Here's what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios. Can anyone imagine Clark Gable, Cary Grant or Robert Mitchum being offered the role of Superman or Buck Rogers and accepting it? How about Ava Gardner as Lois Lane and Mickey Rooney as Jimmy Olsen with Spencer Tracy as Perry White.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @SunBakedSuburb, @R.G. Camara

    Here’s what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios.

    That’s because those movies were for kids whose parents dropped the off at the theaters while the adults went off to do adult things. Today there are a lot of adults out there who just refuse to grow up, who watch these movies as much as – or even more than – the kids.

  27. @william munny
    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

    Does any kid read comics anymore? I know lots of kids who don't.

    Replies: @Guest29048, @Reg Cæsar, @C. Van Carter, @SunBakedSuburb

    One can still see a kid in the comic store shopping with a parent sometimes. Yes, even today.

    Long ago, comics had ads for toy cars like Hot Wheels. In the past few decades, a comic is more likely to have an ad for a grownup vehicle, like a Harley.

    Comics cost $3.99 apiece now (or $4.99). That’s twice what it would have been in the mid-80s, for example. (75¢=>$1.82) Gradually it has been higher prices, fewer sales, and older buyers.

    But the system is still viable even now during the pandemic.
    https://bleedingcool.com/comics/comic-store-in-your-future-2021-off-to-a-great-start/

    Until some yahoo like Pam Lifford at ATT/Warner Bros (look at her photo) decides to stop printing comics altogether.
    https://www.thewrap.com/pam-lifford-president-warner-bros-global-brands-experiences/

    Because the future is digital. But it doesn’t have to be.

    Some are predicting this.
    https://www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-282-the-end-days-of-dc-comics/

  28. @Guest29048
    Another possible version of black Superman is John Henry Irons, a.k.a. Steel.

    John Henry was one of the four Superman replacement characters in the Reign of the Supermen story arc, after the Death of Superman in 1993. He is still active in the DCU, in multiple incarnations.

    If TNC is working with John Henry Irons (a.k.a. Steel), he also can use John Henry's family member Natasha Irons. In some incarnations, she is his niece, and in some, she is his daughter. In a 2016 series Natasha Irons was portrayed as a black lesbian with an Asian-heritage girlfriend.

    That's some old Woke right there I tell you what.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Another possible version of black Superman is John Henry Irons, a.k.a. Steel.

    Steel is an Iron Man knock-off that Marvel countered by introducing War Machine with the black Jim Rhodes as pilot.

  29. @unit472
    Here's what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios. Can anyone imagine Clark Gable, Cary Grant or Robert Mitchum being offered the role of Superman or Buck Rogers and accepting it? How about Ava Gardner as Lois Lane and Mickey Rooney as Jimmy Olsen with Spencer Tracy as Perry White.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @SunBakedSuburb, @R.G. Camara

    I think there’s an argument to be made that films like the Squid and the Whale and Children of a Lesser God are as unrealistic as any comic book film.

  30. @william munny
    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

    Does any kid read comics anymore? I know lots of kids who don't.

    Replies: @Guest29048, @Reg Cæsar, @C. Van Carter, @SunBakedSuburb

    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

    The brainchild of Shusterowich and Segalovich, of קליוולאנד, אהייא.

    Surprising he has so many defenders here. His creators were Walt Disney-in-reverse, screwed over (entirely legally) by a WASP oddball with the prissy double-barreled surname of Wheeler-Nicholson. (From his mother and stepfather. This was about seven decades before that feminist fad took off.)

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    @Reg Cæsar

    With all due respect, Shusterowich and Segalovich simply stole the character of Superman from Philip Wylie's 1930 novel Gladiator.

    , @syonredux
    @Reg Cæsar


    Surprising he has so many defenders here.
     
    Optics. From this

    https://i.redd.it/ralrn6lk1ta41.jpg

    to this

    https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016221/rs_1024x759-160321110052-1024.Michael-B-Jordan-Superman-JR-031616.jpg


    is kinda depressing....

    His creators were Walt Disney-in-reverse, screwed over (entirely legally) by a WASP oddball with the prissy double-barreled surname of Wheeler-Nicholson. (From his mother and stepfather. This was about seven decades before that feminist fad took off.)
     
    Wheeler-Nicholson was pushed out of the biz before Superman arrived on the scene:

    The major remained for a year, but cash-flow problems continued. DC's 50th-anniversary publication Fifty Who Made DC Great cites the Great Depression as "forc[ing] Wheeler-Nicholson to sell his publishing business to Harry Donenfeld and Jack Liebowitz in 1937".[8] However, wrote comics historian Gerard Jones:
     

    In early 1938, Harry Donenfeld send him and his wife on a cruise to Cuba to 'work up new ideas'. When they came home, the major found the lock to his office door changed. In his absence, Harry had sued him for nonpayment and pushed Detective Comics, Inc. into bankruptcy court. There a judge named Abe Mennen, one of Harry's old Tammany buddies, had been appointed interim president of the firm and arranged a quick sale of its assets to Independent News. Harry gave the major a percentage of More Fun Comics as a shut-up token and wished him well.[33]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Wheeler-Nicholson#Later_career
  31. This is great, actually- an idea with tons of potential! White Superman is hard to write for, since he has immense powers yet only one real weakness which it becomes tiresome resorting to every time the story calls for dramatic tension.

    With Black Superman, basically EVERYTHING is kryptonite!

    * stereotype threat: “Nobody really thinks YOU could leap a tall building in a single bound”
    * racist objects: luring Black Superman into a grocery store, Lex Luthor buries the Man of Steel alive beneath an avalanche of Uncle Ben’s rice boxes and Aunt Jemima syrup bottles
    * nooses: Louis Lane already in his clutches, Gorilla Grodd threatens to cut the tire off a tire swing unless Black Superman backs off
    redlining: Superman is inadvertently banished from Metropolis when Clark Kent can’t even get a mortgage on a 300 sq. ft. studio next to train tracks
    * the N-word: Batman invites Black Superman to a Christmas Eve musical revue at Gotham Cathedral; all is going well as the 2 superheroes drink eggnog while listening to the ethereal stylings of the all-ginger boys’ choir. Then, with a wicked gleam in his eye, the Caped Crusader snaps his fingers and the choir goes into an impromptu, rambunctious rendition of GOLD DIGGER. Coming out of his coma several months later, all Superman will say is- “I don’t recall much of anything before they went into that chorus, but when they did it was like a billion stars in a billion galaxies were all suddenly punching me in the gut…”)

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Abe

    Plus, he's invisible.

  32. Black Superman is weaker than regular Superman because regular Superman is only weak against kryptonite while black Superman is weak against kryptonite and white privilege.

  33. Unlike the old days, every new movie that comes out is in competition with every movie ever made.

    Black Superman may make money, but White Superman is still making money.

    Am I allowed to point out that White Superman was always Jewish?

  34. @Abe
    This is great, actually- an idea with tons of potential! White Superman is hard to write for, since he has immense powers yet only one real weakness which it becomes tiresome resorting to every time the story calls for dramatic tension.

    With Black Superman, basically EVERYTHING is kryptonite!

    * stereotype threat: “Nobody really thinks YOU could leap a tall building in a single bound”
    * racist objects: luring Black Superman into a grocery store, Lex Luthor buries the Man of Steel alive beneath an avalanche of Uncle Ben’s rice boxes and Aunt Jemima syrup bottles
    * nooses: Louis Lane already in his clutches, Gorilla Grodd threatens to cut the tire off a tire swing unless Black Superman backs off
    redlining: Superman is inadvertently banished from Metropolis when Clark Kent can’t even get a mortgage on a 300 sq. ft. studio next to train tracks
    * the N-word: Batman invites Black Superman to a Christmas Eve musical revue at Gotham Cathedral; all is going well as the 2 superheroes drink eggnog while listening to the ethereal stylings of the all-ginger boys’ choir. Then, with a wicked gleam in his eye, the Caped Crusader snaps his fingers and the choir goes into an impromptu, rambunctious rendition of GOLD DIGGER. Coming out of his coma several months later, all Superman will say is- “I don’t recall much of anything before they went into that chorus, but when they did it was like a billion stars in a billion galaxies were all suddenly punching me in the gut...”)

    Replies: @El Dato

    Plus, he’s invisible.

  35. @unit472
    Here's what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios. Can anyone imagine Clark Gable, Cary Grant or Robert Mitchum being offered the role of Superman or Buck Rogers and accepting it? How about Ava Gardner as Lois Lane and Mickey Rooney as Jimmy Olsen with Spencer Tracy as Perry White.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @SunBakedSuburb, @R.G. Camara

    Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios.

    It’s just us Boomers rummaging around in our bulging bag of pop-culture artifacts to find something we can recycle and retool way beyond its proper proportion. That’s how you get these awful “major motion picture” versions of stuff like Bewitched, The Coneheads, Alvin & the Chipmunks, Wild Wild West etc that were just fine in their original cheapo context.

    As a contrast look at the Peanuts cartoons — they’re so endearing in part because they were unpretentiously done on the cheap.

  36. @william munny
    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

    Does any kid read comics anymore? I know lots of kids who don't.

    Replies: @Guest29048, @Reg Cæsar, @C. Van Carter, @SunBakedSuburb

    Superman, Black Panther, and Coates – all three are characters created by Jews.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @C. Van Carter

    Michael Chabon several years ago blurbed what a staggering work of heartbreaking genius BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME was. I’m not a big fan of Chabon based on WONDER BOYS (maybe KAVALIER & CLAY will change my mind) but he seems to have worked his way up the literari greasy pole by the usual methods while Coates is now basically having money and fame thrown at him. Given that as an out-and-proud comic book nerd Coates’s latest assignment (not really an assignment- Coates has basically been given a lifetime tenure to “save the soul” of comic books and he will be getting 6 and 7 figure paydays and hobnobbing with Hollywood A-listers long into the foreseeable future no matter how much his projects underperform) is exactly the sort of thing Chabon would consider his dream-job.

  37. @C. Van Carter
    @william munny

    Superman, Black Panther, and Coates - all three are characters created by Jews.

    Replies: @Abe

    Michael Chabon several years ago blurbed what a staggering work of heartbreaking genius BETWEEN THE WORLD AND ME was. I’m not a big fan of Chabon based on WONDER BOYS (maybe KAVALIER & CLAY will change my mind) but he seems to have worked his way up the literari greasy pole by the usual methods while Coates is now basically having money and fame thrown at him. Given that as an out-and-proud comic book nerd Coates’s latest assignment (not really an assignment- Coates has basically been given a lifetime tenure to “save the soul” of comic books and he will be getting 6 and 7 figure paydays and hobnobbing with Hollywood A-listers long into the foreseeable future no matter how much his projects underperform) is exactly the sort of thing Chabon would consider his dream-job.

  38. @Franz
    So why make flicks like Black Panther?

    First. they get black superheroes.

    Second, they make the white ones black.

    Third... they carp about appropriation.

    Where's the logic here?

    Replies: @Altai, @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth

    “Second, they make the white ones black.”

    This is beginning to resemble a Rod Sterling script written by a Rod not infected with squishy humanism. Rod and Billy Jack were first generation white anti-racists.

    • Agree: Franz
  39. @william munny
    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

    Does any kid read comics anymore? I know lots of kids who don't.

    Replies: @Guest29048, @Reg Cæsar, @C. Van Carter, @SunBakedSuburb

    “I know lots of kids who don’t.”

    When I was a little jerk I received images through a narrative lens. The little creeps these days receive images in a disjointed, fragmented stream through their ‘phones.’ That’s why the little sobs are zombies.

  40. @unit472
    Here's what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios. Can anyone imagine Clark Gable, Cary Grant or Robert Mitchum being offered the role of Superman or Buck Rogers and accepting it? How about Ava Gardner as Lois Lane and Mickey Rooney as Jimmy Olsen with Spencer Tracy as Perry White.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @SunBakedSuburb, @R.G. Camara

    “low budget serial films for kids”

    The serials of the 30s and 40s are a blast. The Batman of the 40s serials is clearly a guy in his mid-30s who thinks gyms are for fags and smokes a couple of packs a day. Yet he kicks ass in a fury of broken stick furniture and shattered stage glass. The serial Captain America just blasts everything in sight with two .44 revolvers. Take no prisoners. This is the attitude that made the American Imperium. Now were under the boot of Tee-Hee Moobs.

  41. I stopped seeing new movies almost three years ago as the conversion of Hollywood to Negrolatry finally neared completion. This latest news confirms that my conscious decision to do so was correct.

  42. @anon215
    Remember, the Great Replacement is just a figment of the fragile white mind. White Erasure is NOT a thing!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Truth

    Remember, the Great Replacement is just a figment of the fragile white mind. White Erasure is NOT a thing!

    Do you still own a television?

    Great, then STFU.

  43. @Franz
    So why make flicks like Black Panther?

    First. they get black superheroes.

    Second, they make the white ones black.

    Third... they carp about appropriation.

    Where's the logic here?

    Replies: @Altai, @SunBakedSuburb, @Truth

    So why make flicks like Black Panther?

    First. they get black superheroes.

    Second, they make the white ones black.

    Third… they carp about appropriation.

    Where’s the logic here?

    Do you still own a television?

    Great, then STFU.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @Truth


    Do you still own a television?
     
    You're kidding, right?

    Ain't had a TV since they had vacuum tubes. Now the vacuum is the programming.
  44. @Not Only Wrathful
    I've got to assume the Nazis would have found making a literal Superman out of Adolf Hitler to be far too on the nose, but somehow so-called liberals need to do it with the most war-like President in US history because he is half black.

    All of this will certainly.mean that black Americans, who are clearly so terribly deficient in self-esteem - just observe their shy, taciturn and self-deprecating culture, will suddenly stop murdering each other and start excelling at school. After all, Hindu Americans, who outperform everyone basically, have been represented by every Aryan supremacy superhero, like the very famous Shaaktiman and Doga.

    Replies: @Truth

    but somehow so-called liberals need to do it with the most war-like President in US history because he is half black.

    Are you sure ?!?! I’ve read rumors about Wilson and FDR, but never that one, that would be a huge game-changer. Woodrow does look a little swarthy now that I look at him.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Truth

    FDR entered one war quite a long time into it, one that was genuinely affecting the US. Barack Obama started/entered five or more random wars that had nothing to do with the US.

  45. FACTCHECK: Black Canary is not actually black.

  46. @HammerJack
    @Whiskey

    Woka-Cola lol


    https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8070-2.jpg

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  47. @Reg Cæsar
    @william munny


    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

     

    The brainchild of Shusterowich and Segalovich, of קליוולאנד, אהייא.

    Surprising he has so many defenders here. His creators were Walt Disney-in-reverse, screwed over (entirely legally) by a WASP oddball with the prissy double-barreled surname of Wheeler-Nicholson. (From his mother and stepfather. This was about seven decades before that feminist fad took off.)

    Replies: @Macumazahn, @syonredux

    With all due respect, Shusterowich and Segalovich simply stole the character of Superman from Philip Wylie’s 1930 novel Gladiator.

  48. @unit472
    Here's what puzzles me. Comic book movies were once low budget serial films for kids not major productions for Hollywood studios. Can anyone imagine Clark Gable, Cary Grant or Robert Mitchum being offered the role of Superman or Buck Rogers and accepting it? How about Ava Gardner as Lois Lane and Mickey Rooney as Jimmy Olsen with Spencer Tracy as Perry White.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @SunBakedSuburb, @R.G. Camara

    So were Westerns once. Then Hollywood got big budget about them.

    Hating on superhero movies is so cliche. They make money, many are very good entertainment, and they have a combination nostalgia-factor for older dudes and wowee-gotta-find-out-more-about-this-guy factor for kids.

  49. @Truth
    @Not Only Wrathful


    but somehow so-called liberals need to do it with the most war-like President in US history because he is half black.
     
    Are you sure ?!?! I've read rumors about Wilson and FDR, but never that one, that would be a huge game-changer. Woodrow does look a little swarthy now that I look at him.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    FDR entered one war quite a long time into it, one that was genuinely affecting the US. Barack Obama started/entered five or more random wars that had nothing to do with the US.

  50. MMM, the Woke are really getting exited….

    Gavia Baker-Whitelaw

    warner bros executives made a smart creative decision about the next superman movie… shaken to my core

    A new Superman movie is finally in the works from a superhuman team of talents.

    Writer Ta-Nehisi Coates is penning the film for Warner Bros., and it will be produced by J.J. Abrams. There’s no word on a director, a star, a plot, or anything of that nature just yet. But, really, all you need to say is Superman, Coates, and Abrams, and it’s hard to not get excited.

    https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-superman-solo-film-is-on-the-way-from-ta-nehisi-coate-1846364877

  51. @Truth
    @Franz


    So why make flicks like Black Panther?

    First. they get black superheroes.

    Second, they make the white ones black.

    Third… they carp about appropriation.

    Where’s the logic here?
     
    Do you still own a television?

    Great, then STFU.

    Replies: @Franz

    Do you still own a television?

    You’re kidding, right?

    Ain’t had a TV since they had vacuum tubes. Now the vacuum is the programming.

  52. @Reg Cæsar
    @william munny


    I thought Superman was the Jewish superhero.

     

    The brainchild of Shusterowich and Segalovich, of קליוולאנד, אהייא.

    Surprising he has so many defenders here. His creators were Walt Disney-in-reverse, screwed over (entirely legally) by a WASP oddball with the prissy double-barreled surname of Wheeler-Nicholson. (From his mother and stepfather. This was about seven decades before that feminist fad took off.)

    Replies: @Macumazahn, @syonredux

    Surprising he has so many defenders here.

    Optics. From this

    to this

    is kinda depressing….

    His creators were Walt Disney-in-reverse, screwed over (entirely legally) by a WASP oddball with the prissy double-barreled surname of Wheeler-Nicholson. (From his mother and stepfather. This was about seven decades before that feminist fad took off.)

    Wheeler-Nicholson was pushed out of the biz before Superman arrived on the scene:

    The major remained for a year, but cash-flow problems continued. DC’s 50th-anniversary publication Fifty Who Made DC Great cites the Great Depression as “forc[ing] Wheeler-Nicholson to sell his publishing business to Harry Donenfeld and Jack Liebowitz in 1937”.[8] However, wrote comics historian Gerard Jones:

    In early 1938, Harry Donenfeld send him and his wife on a cruise to Cuba to ‘work up new ideas’. When they came home, the major found the lock to his office door changed. In his absence, Harry had sued him for nonpayment and pushed Detective Comics, Inc. into bankruptcy court. There a judge named Abe Mennen, one of Harry’s old Tammany buddies, had been appointed interim president of the firm and arranged a quick sale of its assets to Independent News. Harry gave the major a percentage of More Fun Comics as a shut-up token and wished him well.[33]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Wheeler-Nicholson#Later_career

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