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South Africa’s clownish Zulu president Jacob Zuma has been pushed out of office by his African National Congress, purportedly on charges of corruption for feathering his kraal, and replaced by Cyril Ramaphosa, a former labor leader whose net worth is said to be $450 million.

Zuma had recently brought international opprobrium down on his head for his anti-white racist critique of “white monopoly capital.” As we all know, it’s very, very evil to criticize “white monopoly capital” in South Africa while it’s very, very good to demonize “white privilege” in America. Insulting “white monopoly capital” hurts the feelings of white monopoly capitalists in South Africa, while insulting white privilege in the U.S. merely insults losers like Darren Wilson, George Zimmerman, and Haven Monohan.

I don’t pretend to understand South Africa, which I wrote about in Taki’s Magazine last week. My vague impression of South African history, however, going back to Cecil Rhodes devoting his initial will to the creation of (in Rhodes’ words) a “secret society,” a sort of Anglophilic Jesuits, to promote the domination of the world by the British Empire, suggests that if there is any place worth conspiring over, it’s South Africa with its diamonds and gold. But don’t ask me who are the main conspirators in South Africa.

 
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  1. Darren Wilson, not Darren Brown.

  2. Go on youtube and type in “Karel Vorster interview”. A good place to start if you want to keep up w/ what’s the haps in SA.

  3. Steve, I’m sorry for being such a cunt in the past. Hoping this song makes up for the Presidency of Zuma and gives hope for the longterm hopes of the lower caste Whites left in South Africa. (it’s a kind of electronic baroque rococo)

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Would play this as a valedictory tune at the going down of the Union Jack at sunset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​YSuHrTfcikU
  4. Zuma makes the Devil look like a scholar and a gentleman.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    I read a few books on South Africa a while ago and it looks like Zuma is considered likeable even by those who abhor his policies. The former president Mbeki on the other hand...
    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    The Devil is a gentleman and a scholar
  5. @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, I'm sorry for being such a cunt in the past. Hoping this song makes up for the Presidency of Zuma and gives hope for the longterm hopes of the lower caste Whites left in South Africa. (it's a kind of electronic baroque rococo)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuHNXoZvlgg

    Would play this as a valedictory tune at the going down of the Union Jack at sunset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​YSuHrTfcikU

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    Steve, it's time to revisit your theory of de-evolution via warfare.

    We need to chew up the best of us (politicians, ceos, GMs, welfare fund leaders, southern baptists, health insurers, market leaders, internet new age booksellers (Vox Day) etc) and then unleash the lesser minds of ours upon the kingdom of the jew:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKQ5bIqbPGc
  6. No worse than Tony Blair being the leader of the party of Keir Hardie.

  7. ”suggests that if there is any place worth conspiring over, it’s South Africa with its diamonds and gold.”
    Diamonds huh? I have no idea (((who))) would be conspiring over those. Nope, no idea at all.

  8. some conspiracies are true. is this one? probably not but…

    On Monday morning the Rhodesian contingent walked into the Union Buildings in Pretoria where they were introduced to Henry Kissinger. Ian Smith asked John Vorster this direct question, “what’s this all about?” John Vorster replied, “Henry has come to insist that you accept black majority rule in Rhodesia.” Ian Smith then asked him, “If I don’t what are the consequences?” John Vorster then went on to explain that if Ian Smith would not accept, then the South African railways would become too congested to transport anything more in or out of Rhodesia. Ian Smith then asked him what would happen if he accepted. John Vorsters reply was, “then we can always make a plan.” What one has to understand is that Rhodesia and South Africa had been strong allies and all sanction busting operations were conducted through South African help. All our arms and military equipment also came via South African assistance. This was no surprise as for many years every time we returned to the bush war on call-up, new ammunition and armaments were issued. During the previous year, we were cleaning dirty ammunition for front line use. I remember the armourers saying. “We wish Smithy and Vorster would kiss and make up so we can get the regular new stuff.” Little did they know what was really transpiring? When we ordered the larger mortars, they would send us engine parts. Now we understood why all this had happened.

    Ian Smith was very reluctant, but John Vorster suggested he come over and read all the documentation that was spread over two boardroom tables. Ian Smith left the contingent he brought with to examine the documentation and he returned to this hotel for the day. They called Ian Smith back later the same afternoon and explained that the Americans knew of every sanction busting operation in the world and literally how much petrol, down to the last thousand litres that the Rhodesian armed forces had. Henry Kissinger explained to Smithy that the game was up and the Americans would close down every sanction busting operation there was and would ensure that South Africa supplied no more fuel to us. Kissinger then asked Ian Smith for his decision. Smithy explained that this was impossible as it would have to be a cabinet decision. They phoned through to Salisbury before they flew home and had the entire cabinet stand by for an emergency meeting when they arrived back.

    …He then said, “There is a story one worse.” He proceeded to go to his wall safe and out of the safe he took out a thick black book that looked something like a diary. He paged and took me to diarised events two years prior to the Kissinger Proposals. He showed me two meetings held in Europe between Kissinger and John Vorster. He further showed me the plotting and demise of Rhodesia before it happened. I asked him why South Africa would agree to this. He again took me to notes at that point, “you see there was a deal cut that if South Africa conceded to American demands, a longer period of time could be secured for South Africa before they moved to Black Majority rule. If they did not, the Americans were threatening severe early consequences for South Africa. The most devastating revelation was yet to come. Even before the Kissinger Proposals in 1976, the final hand-over of responsible rule in South Africa was planned for late 1993. This I personally saw recorded in this book. He asked me if I had ever seen anything so diabolical. I was shocked that so much can be orchestrated and manipulated and such people had the power to be so treacherous. I then had to ask the most obvious question, “Where on earth did you get all this information?” He then told me that he had been one of the most senior officers in the South African Intelligence Service! South Africa later attained its Democracy or Black Majority Rule in May 1994, some six months after it had been planned back in the 70’s!

    • Replies: @Jake
    Rhodesia was always expendable. The South African mines had to be protected for the billionaire and multi-millionaire investors. The white farmers, small merchants, clerks, teachers, etc. literally mattered nothing, no matter how many ultimately would be killed and/or raped, much less how many would be impoverished.

    The old time most Elite WASPs of the British Empire already had booted Rhodesia and South Africa from the Commonwealth. They, like principal WASP Father Oliver Cromwell, despised most white Gentiles. Once the new most powerful WASPs, Americans, decided they wanted Rhodesia and South Africa to receive the many blessings of black rule, the jig was up. The Yank WASP Empire would utterly destroy both nations to force them to black rule.

    The big catch was Israel and Jewish investors in South Africa. Once they were assured they would not lose money, they agreed.
    , @Thea
    Very shortly after the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe. Could there be a connection?
    , @Bill
    What difference does it make whether the exact details laid out are true? Obviously, white majority rule in Rhodesia and South Africa ended because the US wanted it to. The details are irrelevant.
  9. @Pat Hannagan
    Would play this as a valedictory tune at the going down of the Union Jack at sunset https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​YSuHrTfcikU

    Steve, it’s time to revisit your theory of de-evolution via warfare.

    We need to chew up the best of us (politicians, ceos, GMs, welfare fund leaders, southern baptists, health insurers, market leaders, internet new age booksellers (Vox Day) etc) and then unleash the lesser minds of ours upon the kingdom of the jew:

  10. Back in the day, a lot of conspiracy theories in SA centred on the Broederbond – the Afrikaner equivalent of freemasonary.

    They turned out to be a paper tiger.

  11. #WhiteMonopolyCapitalism was dreamed up by the London PR firm Bell Pottinger, whose founder Tim “flasher” Bell, was Maggie Thatcher’s PR guru.

    They also wangled a cool half $billion from the US occupation authorities in Iraq.

  12. Crimea, Boer, WW One and Two, Korea, Vietnam (not taking into account lesser battles like Grenada and Your Own Private Idaho, Branch Davidians, Wako, Texas, Antony Chigurh) add to this with your own memories of Greatest American Invasions on Behalf of Jew:

    Judeo-America!

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    For all the history buffs and sociologists and ethno-masochosists note the noodle arms of every INXS member who fucked their way through an entire generation of whores

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJyKTNdPL5s

    so much for socio-sexual hierarchy. Over to you, Vox Day
    , @syonredux

    Crimea, Boer, WW One and Two, Korea, Vietnam (not taking into account lesser battles like Grenada and Your Own Private Idaho, Branch Davidians, Wako, Texas, Antony Chigurh) add to this with your own memories of Greatest American Invasions on Behalf of Jew:

    Judeo-America!
     
    What did the USA have to do with the Crimean War and the Boer War?
    , @Thea
    I understand that Jews run the propaganda operations in the media and Hollywood, but Anglos had a lot to do with this mess out of their own greed. Mostly the Jews support whomever is in power. If can't find a solution to the WASP portion of our predicament, the actions of the Jews are irrelevant. We wouldn't be here if the Anglo elite didn't sell out the Anglo lower strata.


    Circling the wagons around our own is something WASPs could learn and emulate. Can't blame Jews for wanting to prosper.

  13. Meanwhile, in Cape Town they are threatening to shut off the taps in June, due to severe drought and — let’s be frank — mismanagement of the water supply system.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/02/14/water-crisis-cape-town-day-zero-june/337844002/

    https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/cape-town-should-serve-as-a-wake-up-call-for-managing-water-in-south-africa-20180214

    It’s less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country’s crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    Maybe those terrible Racist Boers knew something we didn’t?

    South Africa is a fascinating place. It’s like the bastard child of California and Baltimore: Dramatic coastlines, productive agriculture, lush vineyards, excellent climate, productive industries, gold in the hills, great concentrations of wealth. But also crime, gangs, corruption, mismanagement, illiteracy, waste, graft, government scandal and general decline on a scale large enough to imperil the good bits.

    Who’d have thunk it?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    It’s less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country’s crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    The Western Cape government has been controlled by the political opposition in South Africa since 1994. The Cape Town municipality has been controlled by the opposition for all but four years since that time. Cape Town had a black mayor from 2002 to 2006. All other mayors were white or Coloured. There has yet to be a black premier in the Western Cape. The current mayor of Cape Town is Coloured and the premier of the Western Cape white.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Was Cape Town ever a Boer city? I thought they had always been under control of the British, originally part of Britain’s Cape Colony. The Boer nation of Transvaal was farther inland and to the East.
  14. I think you mean Darren Wilson.

    Ramaphosa is the comparatively congenial figure among the two and had the support of the liberal element in the ANC who don’t want the country to go the way of Zimbabwe. The country has not been losing ground economically vis a vis the West in the last 20 years (as it did between 1975 and 1998). The overall public order situation is bad, but no worse than it was in 1985 and better than it was in 1995. I’d wager, though, that the effects of the disorder have been reallocated some and that’s injured the quality of life of the Afrikaner and white Anglophone populations. Right now the big anxiety is over violent attacks on white rural populations and possible land seizures of the sort that happened in Zimbabwe in 1999-2000.

    Zuma was trying to perpetuate his rule by putting one of his harem in the Presidency. Zuma himself is a grotesque in ways Mandela was not, Mbeki was not, and Ramaphosa is not. South Africa is well rid of him.

    • Replies: @theo the kraut
    Mbeki enforced the crazy AIDS-policy that killed ~340,000 people...
  15. @Pat Hannagan
    Crimea, Boer, WW One and Two, Korea, Vietnam (not taking into account lesser battles like Grenada and Your Own Private Idaho, Branch Davidians, Wako, Texas, Antony Chigurh) add to this with your own memories of Greatest American Invasions on Behalf of Jew:

    Judeo-America!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLm3Khusq_8

    For all the history buffs and sociologists and ethno-masochosists note the noodle arms of every INXS member who fucked their way through an entire generation of whores

    so much for socio-sexual hierarchy. Over to you, Vox Day

  16. @Ben Kurtz
    Meanwhile, in Cape Town they are threatening to shut off the taps in June, due to severe drought and -- let's be frank -- mismanagement of the water supply system.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/02/14/water-crisis-cape-town-day-zero-june/337844002/

    https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/cape-town-should-serve-as-a-wake-up-call-for-managing-water-in-south-africa-20180214

    It's less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country's crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    Maybe those terrible Racist Boers knew something we didn't?

    South Africa is a fascinating place. It's like the bastard child of California and Baltimore: Dramatic coastlines, productive agriculture, lush vineyards, excellent climate, productive industries, gold in the hills, great concentrations of wealth. But also crime, gangs, corruption, mismanagement, illiteracy, waste, graft, government scandal and general decline on a scale large enough to imperil the good bits.

    Who'd have thunk it?

    It’s less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country’s crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    The Western Cape government has been controlled by the political opposition in South Africa since 1994. The Cape Town municipality has been controlled by the opposition for all but four years since that time. Cape Town had a black mayor from 2002 to 2006. All other mayors were white or Coloured. There has yet to be a black premier in the Western Cape. The current mayor of Cape Town is Coloured and the premier of the Western Cape white.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    Political opposition to what?

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. The other thing she opposes is sanity. Her predecessor is an obese lesbian, member of the ANC and also an ethno-masochist. The guy before her was a Muslim ANC member.

    The people claiming to be "on the right side of history" for the last three decades have been firmly in charge for a long time and the results have been what was expected.
    , @Barnard
    From the second article he linked:

    The responsibility for water services is shared across different levels of government in South Africa. The national department of Water Affairs and Sanitation has to provide bulk water infrastructure and supply to municipalities. For their part municipalities are responsible for cleaning and producing the water to potable standards and bringing it to the people.
     
    This isn't strictly a local government problem in Cape Town. The corruption and incompetence of the ANC is obviously contributing to it.
    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    Opposition in SA... reminds me of what Dorothy Parker said (or is said to have said) about a Katharine Hepburn performance:

    "Ruts the gamut of emotions from A to B."

    The Cape government may be marginally more competent than the rest of SA, but the water situation in Cape Town doesn't speak well of them, to say the least.

    So when is the blogmeister going to do a post on the coming Mad Max scenario in Cape Town? I read that the Day of Reckoning has been put back a bit because the farmers north of the city itself allowed some of their water to course south to the city (not being a hydrologist I don't understand the technicalities, so forgive me if my description is awkward) - but (a) that is only a temporary fix and (b) doesn't it hurt the farmers?
    , @Philip
    The national government controls bulk water supply. Thet have messed up countrywide, but - given opposition control and very major internal migration - have left the Western Cape exposed to drought. Not the fault of the local administration, then.
  17. You mean Darren Wilson. Otherwise, exactly. No need to post this.

  18. Take a wild guess who controls the diamond business.

    There is no clearer picture of the PC pecking order than western news regarding South Africa.

    ANC supporters can subject Boers to the world’s highest rates of rape and murder, and anyone in the alternative media who dares bring attention to this outrage is denounced as a “racist” by the establishment media.

    But if the leader of the ANC, the hand picked successor of Saint Nelson Mandela, even thinks about threatening the shekels of the (((white monopoly capital))), he is instantly robbed of his constitutional office to the unanimous applause of the establishment media.

    • Replies: @biz
    Who does control the diamond business in South Africa? The South African Oppenheimers are mostly not Jewish, if that is what you are getting at.
    , @Olorin
    Come now. SA Jews have so much in common with Boers. And are whites when it suits.


    As South Africa celebrates 21 years of freedom this week, the country's Jews are secure, prosperous, strongly Zionist – and surrogates for increasing criticism of Israel.

    Today's Jewish community is very different to that of the era of white rule. Back then, it was schizophrenic: Jews helped to maintain apartheid out of all proportion to their numbers because they were so significant in commerce and industry. At its crudest level, a Jewish factory owner who had trouble with his black workers – who had no legal right to strike – acted like other whites and summoned the police who beat a few heads and ended the problem. So apartheid served the factory owner. Jews were also highly prominent as judges, lawyers, academics and doctors. ...

    After over 120 years of existence in South Africa, [number of Jews] is down from its high point of 120,000 people and now numbers some 70,000, about 0.14 percent of the total population. It is overwhelmingly Litvak in origin and homogeneous and close-knit; many have turned inward, to religious Orthodoxy. It has efficient internal organs to look after its own and a network of Jewish day schools. It remains heavily Zionist, even though a minority, mainly among the young, challenges faith in Israel.

    Jews are not as prominent in national life as before. They no longer, for example, head huge chains of retail stores. Except Woolworths, linked with Britain's famed Marks&Spencer, which is a target of boycotts for stocking Israeli products, albeit a tiny amount. Woolworths refuses to buckle. But Jews are still at the forefront in fields like finance and health, and are significant contributors to the economy.

    ...As part of the fabric of South African society, Jews have benefited like everyone else from the good that came with the end of apartheid – and are caught up in the problems created by the corruption and cronyism, and resulting incompetence, which have grown into a monster under African National Congress rule.

    Like all South Africans, they suffer from the failing infrastructure, whether mass electricity outages or disastrous school and hospital standards, rampant crime or the anger of the have-nots robbed of their dream of a better life. Prosperity protects many Jews. But like a lot of other South Africans, especially whites, they worry about the future of their children.
     
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-s-african-jews-apologetic-abused-1.5357208
  19. From my perspective, and those of my cohorts here in Pretoria – it’s good that Zuma is gone.

    Cyril Ramaphosa is far cleverer. Though the ANC is rotten through. It’s a kleptocracy.

    South Africa- as a country blessed with great natural beauty rich in resources, and with a developing economy, with basically good infrastructure – should easily be achieving annualised GDP growth of 5%. This is being achieved up in Uganda. Neighbouring Botswana is growing at about 4% pa.

    The fact that South Africa isn’t – is essentially flatlinging – is down to widespread incompetence – underpinned by draconian affirmative action, endemic corruption, bad optics and stupid comments about land confiscation and nationalisation keeping away inward investment, the backdrop of violent crime, all resulting in a brain drain of white talent.

    We shall see weather Ramaphosa can lift SA out of it’s downward spiral. I’m hopeful but sceptical.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    We shall see weather Ramaphosa can lift SA out of it’s downward spiral. I’m hopeful but sceptical.
     
    I'm doubtful. People want the white man's stuff today. The idea typically advanced by leaders of Third World independence movements was that the only reason Europeans were rich and Third Worlders were poor was - Europeans got rich stealing from them. Once they became independent, and the theft stopped, Third Worlders would become rich and Europeans poor. Of course, many decades later, Europeans are still rich and Third Worlders, with some exceptions, remain poor, so the explanations have changed, to the effect that the accumulation of many decades of looting can't be undone in mere years (and, in time, mere decades or mere centuries). Whatever the truth, the important thing is to right the wrongs of the past. That means seizing whitey's stuff today.
  20. …like Darren Brown…

    Darren Wilson?

  21. “Beached!” Ha! Thank you!

  22. It’s sad to see the English depart the stage.

    Without even any formal acknowledgement.

    No fanfare. No ceremony.

    I guess they still worship Churchill back in Redbridge and equally lower south Greater Pakistan.

  23. @Art Deco
    It’s less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country’s crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    The Western Cape government has been controlled by the political opposition in South Africa since 1994. The Cape Town municipality has been controlled by the opposition for all but four years since that time. Cape Town had a black mayor from 2002 to 2006. All other mayors were white or Coloured. There has yet to be a black premier in the Western Cape. The current mayor of Cape Town is Coloured and the premier of the Western Cape white.

    Political opposition to what?

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. The other thing she opposes is sanity. Her predecessor is an obese lesbian, member of the ANC and also an ethno-masochist. The guy before her was a Muslim ANC member.

    The people claiming to be “on the right side of history” for the last three decades have been firmly in charge for a long time and the results have been what was expected.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.
    , @anonymous
    The fat man is autistic or trollic. Take your pick.
    , @Anonymous

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic...
     
    Considering that she wasted huge amounts of political capital defending colonialism on Twitter I'd say quite the opposite. Agree that she's a loon though.
  24. OT but Tariq Nasheed is referring to the Hispanic Florida shooter as a White supremacist. Yet at the same time he still thinks it’s racist to deport White supremacist Dreamers back to Mexico and Central America. And he thinks it’s racist to build a wall around the White supremacist nation of Mexico to keep the White supremacists out of The U.S. I thought it was not possible to be racist against White people. Tariq contradicts himself. You can’t claim that Hispanics are evil White supremacists and at the same time also be pro-open borders, that’s an oxymoron.

    • Replies: @Antlitz Grollheim
    The sooner you realize the Narrative has an existence distinct from and logically prior to wie es eigentlich gewesen ist , the better your digestion will be.
  25. Steve can you correct the reference to Darren Wilson–who seems to be a good solid honorable cop– and delete my comment.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    Steve agrees with you about Darren Wilson -- he was being sarcastic in that remark.
  26. @AnotherDad
    Steve can you correct the reference to Darren Wilson--who seems to be a good solid honorable cop-- and delete my comment.

    Steve agrees with you about Darren Wilson — he was being sarcastic in that remark.

  27. @Art Deco
    It’s less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country’s crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    The Western Cape government has been controlled by the political opposition in South Africa since 1994. The Cape Town municipality has been controlled by the opposition for all but four years since that time. Cape Town had a black mayor from 2002 to 2006. All other mayors were white or Coloured. There has yet to be a black premier in the Western Cape. The current mayor of Cape Town is Coloured and the premier of the Western Cape white.

    From the second article he linked:

    The responsibility for water services is shared across different levels of government in South Africa. The national department of Water Affairs and Sanitation has to provide bulk water infrastructure and supply to municipalities. For their part municipalities are responsible for cleaning and producing the water to potable standards and bringing it to the people.

    This isn’t strictly a local government problem in Cape Town. The corruption and incompetence of the ANC is obviously contributing to it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Well, I'm not a civil engineer, so I don't claim to be able to apportion responsibility, which Kurtz does.


    Again, South Africa hasn't been losing ground economically when compared to the United States and it's not suffering a deterioration in it's overall level of public order (the place has had horrendous crime rates for decades and the homicide rate was in 1994 twice what it is today). It's had for the last 8 years a rather grotesque and embarrassing figure occupying it's presidency. Well, he's out. That's what is. It doesn't stop the louts here from running their tape yet one more time.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    Barnard, California gets water from other states, and great snow melt run off and lets it flow to the sea, when they could capture it with dams and reservoirs. Michigan has the city of Flint with Third World level lead in the drinking water. Forget diamonds and gold, nothing is more precious than water.
  28. I have only the sort of one page understanding of South African history.

    But really for all the impressive accomplishments of South Africans–particularly the Boers–a two sentence history is adequate:

    — Terrific land, strong people, impressive deeds … could have been a great nation.
    — But they used “cheap labor” … the end.

    • Replies: @Bill
    I wonder if there are any other countries like that?
    , @Ben Kurtz
    There's a huge GoodWhite-BadWhite / Cold Civil War element that you are overlooking in that analysis:

    Dutch (Boer) vs. English.

    The Boers were settler-colonists who founded cities, built farms, trekked overland and developed a sustainable presence on the land. They were there first, and their oldest colonies (which indeed started as merchant way-stations) are almost as old as European settlement in North America -- mid-1600s. Their history is very reminiscent of the founding of the United States.

    The English, who came after the Boers, were very much merchant / adventurer colonists in South Africa -- much like they were in places like India, and a lot less like they were in places like America and Australia. They were into building gold mines and diamond mines and Victorian megaprojects like Cape-to-Cairo railroad lines. The farmer/settler impulse was much weaker with the English; when Anglophones sought to move to Southern Africa in farmer/settler mode they often ended up in Rhodesia, north of South Africa.

    These different interests of the two white communities led to the development of a number of separate colonies over the 19th century in the area that is now South Africa, as the English and Dutch vied for supremacy in their own areas. These conflicts eventually led to the Boer Wars, when the English established dominion over all of what eventually became the Union of South Africa, and in the process did charming things like invent the concentration camp, where they shipped Boer women and children.

    Notably, it was the English -- not the Boers -- who were most keen on using "cheap labor," primarily in their mines. The Boers were not keen on this, and not keen on the big mining enterprises in general, which was one of the big factors contributing to the English/Boer conflict.

    In post-WWII South Africa, the English tend to be the "Good Whites" while the Boers are most definitely the rural redneck "Bad Whites." At this point, everyone -- English, Boer, Asian (meaning, basically, Indians imported by the British to be factory and menial clerical labor because the other non-White groups were unsuited for the work; Ghandi, yes, THAT Ghandi, descended from this group), Coloured (meaning, basically, Khoisan/Bushman) and Black (meaning, basically, Bantu/regular Sub-Saharan African) has spent enough time living close to everyone else that the richer folks all use "cheap labor" when it suits them and everyone is a race realist but not allowed to say so out loud.

    Shame, though, about the water supply. It was a really lovely place in its day.
  29. But don’t ask me who are the main conspirators in South Africa.

    South Africa is essentially a one party state, the ANC is so dominant that winning the elections are a mere formality, thus the only politics that really matters is the internal ANC party politics. The ANC consists of various factions competing for power, the previous president was also ousted before elections took place. In the case of Zuma, he was so blatantly corrupt that even those in the generally corrupt party could not ignore this any longer.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Post-Apartheid South Africa is a one-party state. Ilana Mercer has an description in her Into The Cannibal's Pot of how when they rewrote the constitution they set it up so that it is effectively impossible to defeat or supplant the ANC. Other (ethnically) African groups complained at the time and proposed more democratic alternatives; they were rejected by the ANC, which is to say, by the state. The only real way around this short of a new constitution is the parry suffering sustained, impossibly massive, widespread unpopularity -- hence the Chinese opera of removing a high official long known to be corrupt once he gets ridiculous enough to possibly damage the party's basic popularity.
    , @Bill
    That's the media's story, but, as Steve points out, it doesn't seem very plausible.
    , @Anonymous
    This will also describe the Democratic Party when the U.S. reaches a nonwhite majority.
  30. • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    See also:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-09/the-brothers-who-bought-south-africa
  31. @AnotherDad
    I have only the sort of one page understanding of South African history.

    But really for all the impressive accomplishments of South Africans--particularly the Boers--a two sentence history is adequate:

    -- Terrific land, strong people, impressive deeds ... could have been a great nation.
    -- But they used "cheap labor" ... the end.

    I wonder if there are any other countries like that?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    I wonder if there are any other countries like that?
     
    LOL. Yep, sadly has been all too common. We can dream of "what might have been" had we not gone down that road.
  32. @The Z Blog
    Political opposition to what?

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. The other thing she opposes is sanity. Her predecessor is an obese lesbian, member of the ANC and also an ethno-masochist. The guy before her was a Muslim ANC member.

    The people claiming to be "on the right side of history" for the last three decades have been firmly in charge for a long time and the results have been what was expected.

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T

    No, you’re a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    There is a difference?
    , @Nico
    I suppose Zille, Obama, the Bushes, Macron, Merkel and Cameron are “normal” politicians if “normal” is meant to mean “at par with the Zeitgeist,” which by any measure is considered by most iSteve readers to be “bat-shit crazy.” But since you clearly know that, I must say I’m somewhat baffled at your continuing to attempt ruffle feathers on here, unless you happen to enjoy trolling for trolling’s sake.
    , @The Z Blog
    That does not change the fact that you a talking out your arse. Just because you have a google machine in the retirement village does not mean you are a genius.

    Stick to criticizing people's grammar on Cowen's website. That's your speed.
    , @Jack Hanson
    You calling anyone a buffoon is exhibit A for how up your own ass you are.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Harrrumph!
    , @anonymous
    I got a Schnippers order here for fatso!
    , @Hibernian
    Na-na-na-na-na-na!
  33. @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    There is a difference?

  34. @Art Deco
    It’s less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country’s crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    The Western Cape government has been controlled by the political opposition in South Africa since 1994. The Cape Town municipality has been controlled by the opposition for all but four years since that time. Cape Town had a black mayor from 2002 to 2006. All other mayors were white or Coloured. There has yet to be a black premier in the Western Cape. The current mayor of Cape Town is Coloured and the premier of the Western Cape white.

    Opposition in SA… reminds me of what Dorothy Parker said (or is said to have said) about a Katharine Hepburn performance:

    “Ruts the gamut of emotions from A to B.”

    The Cape government may be marginally more competent than the rest of SA, but the water situation in Cape Town doesn’t speak well of them, to say the least.

    So when is the blogmeister going to do a post on the coming Mad Max scenario in Cape Town? I read that the Day of Reckoning has been put back a bit because the farmers north of the city itself allowed some of their water to course south to the city (not being a hydrologist I don’t understand the technicalities, so forgive me if my description is awkward) – but (a) that is only a temporary fix and (b) doesn’t it hurt the farmers?

  35. @Barnard
    From the second article he linked:

    The responsibility for water services is shared across different levels of government in South Africa. The national department of Water Affairs and Sanitation has to provide bulk water infrastructure and supply to municipalities. For their part municipalities are responsible for cleaning and producing the water to potable standards and bringing it to the people.
     
    This isn't strictly a local government problem in Cape Town. The corruption and incompetence of the ANC is obviously contributing to it.

    Well, I’m not a civil engineer, so I don’t claim to be able to apportion responsibility, which Kurtz does.

    Again, South Africa hasn’t been losing ground economically when compared to the United States and it’s not suffering a deterioration in it’s overall level of public order (the place has had horrendous crime rates for decades and the homicide rate was in 1994 twice what it is today). It’s had for the last 8 years a rather grotesque and embarrassing figure occupying it’s presidency. Well, he’s out. That’s what is. It doesn’t stop the louts here from running their tape yet one more time.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    I don't see how I was apportioning responsibility, except to the extent of assigning it to the governing authorities in South Africa generally... and noting that the National Party (in power from 1948 to 1994) is no longer in charge. I could care less if the loons of the Democratic Alliance or the goons of the ANC are more responsible for this mess.

    As far as "losing ground economically when compared to the United States," I don't understand what you mean by that statement. In 2016, SA has a per capita GDP of around $12,000 (constant dollar, PPP); the U.S. is in excess of four times that. The comparison is meaningless.

    Can you name a single major U.S. city that declared that it would shut off its taps in a few months because it was about to run out of drinking water?
    , @Mr. Anon

    Well, I’m not a civil engineer, so I don’t claim to be able to apportion responsibility, which Kurtz does.
     
    Unfamiliarity with a topic doesn't seem to prevent you from running your smug, pedantic yap in any other circumstance, you officious twit.
    , @J.Ross
    Do you accept the official crime rates? Do you think crime has gone down because the police have gotten more effective?
  36. @John Gruskos
    Take a wild guess who controls the diamond business.

    There is no clearer picture of the PC pecking order than western news regarding South Africa.

    ANC supporters can subject Boers to the world's highest rates of rape and murder, and anyone in the alternative media who dares bring attention to this outrage is denounced as a "racist" by the establishment media.

    But if the leader of the ANC, the hand picked successor of Saint Nelson Mandela, even thinks about threatening the shekels of the (((white monopoly capital))), he is instantly robbed of his constitutional office to the unanimous applause of the establishment media.

    Who does control the diamond business in South Africa? The South African Oppenheimers are mostly not Jewish, if that is what you are getting at.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    They are probably thinking of the ultra-Orthodox diamond merchants in England and the Netherlands. However it is my understanding they are merchants and diamond carvers; if South Africa reduced production (say the government takes over diamond companies and loots them) that would be good for them.
  37. @Ben Kurtz
    Meanwhile, in Cape Town they are threatening to shut off the taps in June, due to severe drought and -- let's be frank -- mismanagement of the water supply system.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/02/14/water-crisis-cape-town-day-zero-june/337844002/

    https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/cape-town-should-serve-as-a-wake-up-call-for-managing-water-in-south-africa-20180214

    It's less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country's crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    Maybe those terrible Racist Boers knew something we didn't?

    South Africa is a fascinating place. It's like the bastard child of California and Baltimore: Dramatic coastlines, productive agriculture, lush vineyards, excellent climate, productive industries, gold in the hills, great concentrations of wealth. But also crime, gangs, corruption, mismanagement, illiteracy, waste, graft, government scandal and general decline on a scale large enough to imperil the good bits.

    Who'd have thunk it?

    Was Cape Town ever a Boer city? I thought they had always been under control of the British, originally part of Britain’s Cape Colony. The Boer nation of Transvaal was farther inland and to the East.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    Cape Town was founded as a Dutch supply post and settlement by the VOC in 1652. It came under British control during the Napoleonic wars in 1795, passed back and forth a few times, and then came under permanent British control in 1814.

    Dutch settlement spread out along the cape area rather slowly while they controlled Cape Town. Once the British took control of the Cape Colony, the pace of Boer settlement of the interior picked up considerably, prodded by their dislike of British domination.
    , @Anonymous Bosch
    The Dutch East India Company sent Jan van Riebeeck to the Cape in 1652 to establish a way-station, and the Dutch remained in charge until 1795, when Britain took over. It was returned to the Dutch in 1803, but then the Brits kicked them out permanently in 1806. The Great Trek, which took my Dutch (and French Huguenot) ancestors to the Transvaal and the Vrystaat, first got going in the 1830s. Boer cities like Pretoria were only founded in the 1850s.
  38. “Zuma beached” – a bit of SoCal inside humor.

  39. @AnotherDad
    I have only the sort of one page understanding of South African history.

    But really for all the impressive accomplishments of South Africans--particularly the Boers--a two sentence history is adequate:

    -- Terrific land, strong people, impressive deeds ... could have been a great nation.
    -- But they used "cheap labor" ... the end.

    There’s a huge GoodWhite-BadWhite / Cold Civil War element that you are overlooking in that analysis:

    Dutch (Boer) vs. English.

    The Boers were settler-colonists who founded cities, built farms, trekked overland and developed a sustainable presence on the land. They were there first, and their oldest colonies (which indeed started as merchant way-stations) are almost as old as European settlement in North America — mid-1600s. Their history is very reminiscent of the founding of the United States.

    The English, who came after the Boers, were very much merchant / adventurer colonists in South Africa — much like they were in places like India, and a lot less like they were in places like America and Australia. They were into building gold mines and diamond mines and Victorian megaprojects like Cape-to-Cairo railroad lines. The farmer/settler impulse was much weaker with the English; when Anglophones sought to move to Southern Africa in farmer/settler mode they often ended up in Rhodesia, north of South Africa.

    These different interests of the two white communities led to the development of a number of separate colonies over the 19th century in the area that is now South Africa, as the English and Dutch vied for supremacy in their own areas. These conflicts eventually led to the Boer Wars, when the English established dominion over all of what eventually became the Union of South Africa, and in the process did charming things like invent the concentration camp, where they shipped Boer women and children.

    Notably, it was the English — not the Boers — who were most keen on using “cheap labor,” primarily in their mines. The Boers were not keen on this, and not keen on the big mining enterprises in general, which was one of the big factors contributing to the English/Boer conflict.

    In post-WWII South Africa, the English tend to be the “Good Whites” while the Boers are most definitely the rural redneck “Bad Whites.” At this point, everyone — English, Boer, Asian (meaning, basically, Indians imported by the British to be factory and menial clerical labor because the other non-White groups were unsuited for the work; Ghandi, yes, THAT Ghandi, descended from this group), Coloured (meaning, basically, Khoisan/Bushman) and Black (meaning, basically, Bantu/regular Sub-Saharan African) has spent enough time living close to everyone else that the richer folks all use “cheap labor” when it suits them and everyone is a race realist but not allowed to say so out loud.

    Shame, though, about the water supply. It was a really lovely place in its day.

    • Replies: @DFH
    There's another '''''''''white'''''''''' community you're not mentioning
    , @AnotherDad
    Ben, i'm pretty much aware of this in my "one page" history.

    Except i don't believe it was just the English--mining--using cheap labor. My understanding is the Boer were using blacks--had enslaved them originally in the Cape Colony--and that slavery, compensation for freed slaves and their equality under law were all issues--along with taxation and regulation, of course--in prompting The Great Trek.

    The siren song of cheap labor has brought many to ruin. It's always so tempting ... oh, if i just had some cheap help i could have a bigger farm (later business) and be rich! Greed. It's not like you can't do that. But the only way to do it that's in your long run interest is to have more kids, or bring on a young man from your own community as a "hired man". Maybe one of those--smart, hard working and of good character can even be a match for your daughter and inherit the farm if you don't have sons of your own. But the "cheap labor" siren is calling you onto the rocks. It took hundreds of years but it is destroying the Boer now.

    The bottom line is alway the same--"cheap labor" is never cheap, it's the most expensive labor in the world.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "At this point, everyone ... has spent enough time living close to everyone else that the richer folks all use 'cheap labor' when it suits them and everyone is a race realist but not allowed to say so out loud."

    Sounds like our diverse country.
  40. “But don’t ask me who are the main conspirators in South Africa.”

    WASP Elites and Jews.

    Rhodes knew his Oliver Cromwell and the Judaizing heresy of Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

  41. Anonymous [AKA "Di Manmine"] says:

    Seems South Africa is a horrible, and willfully underreported little place, but it’s a consistent little place, if you believe that no matter your race, black people, too often, let you down:

  42. @a reader
    • Replies: @Olorin
    Nice aerial shot of "The Gupta compound in Saxonwold."

    What do they do on the right there, play People Chess like in The Village?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQcb4YceENA
    , @a reader
    Thanks for this interesting report!
  43. @Art Deco
    Well, I'm not a civil engineer, so I don't claim to be able to apportion responsibility, which Kurtz does.


    Again, South Africa hasn't been losing ground economically when compared to the United States and it's not suffering a deterioration in it's overall level of public order (the place has had horrendous crime rates for decades and the homicide rate was in 1994 twice what it is today). It's had for the last 8 years a rather grotesque and embarrassing figure occupying it's presidency. Well, he's out. That's what is. It doesn't stop the louts here from running their tape yet one more time.

    I don’t see how I was apportioning responsibility, except to the extent of assigning it to the governing authorities in South Africa generally… and noting that the National Party (in power from 1948 to 1994) is no longer in charge. I could care less if the loons of the Democratic Alliance or the goons of the ANC are more responsible for this mess.

    As far as “losing ground economically when compared to the United States,” I don’t understand what you mean by that statement. In 2016, SA has a per capita GDP of around $12,000 (constant dollar, PPP); the U.S. is in excess of four times that. The comparison is meaningless.

    Can you name a single major U.S. city that declared that it would shut off its taps in a few months because it was about to run out of drinking water?

    • Replies: @Jake
    "Can you name a single major U.S. city that declared that it would shut off its taps in a few months because it was about to run out of drinking water?"

    I guess Flint is not a major city. But eventually, the US will see similar problems: in cities that are run by blacks after the Feds are no longer able to send huge cash wads to places ruined by local black rule.
    , @Fredrik
    It's urgent in Cape Town now but don't pretend that things were that rosy in Los Angeles in 2015 either.
    , @Art Deco
    As far as “losing ground economically when compared to the United States,” I don’t understand what you mean by that statement. I

    Over the period running from 1924 to 1975, the ratio of South Africa's per capita product to that of the United States bounced around a set point of 0.325. Some years it was a tad better, some a tad worse, but there was no secular trend in the value of this metric. From 1975 to 1999, it declined to about 0.183. Since 1999, it has increased to 0.225, i.e. South Africa's per capita product has grown slightly faster than that of the U.S. over that time period. It's not losing ground in a relative sense.
  44. @Jefferson
    OT but Tariq Nasheed is referring to the Hispanic Florida shooter as a White supremacist. Yet at the same time he still thinks it's racist to deport White supremacist Dreamers back to Mexico and Central America. And he thinks it's racist to build a wall around the White supremacist nation of Mexico to keep the White supremacists out of The U.S. I thought it was not possible to be racist against White people. Tariq contradicts himself. You can't claim that Hispanics are evil White supremacists and at the same time also be pro-open borders, that's an oxymoron.

    The sooner you realize the Narrative has an existence distinct from and logically prior to wie es eigentlich gewesen ist , the better your digestion will be.

  45. @anonymouslee
    some conspiracies are true. is this one? probably not but...



    On Monday morning the Rhodesian contingent walked into the Union Buildings in Pretoria where they were introduced to Henry Kissinger. Ian Smith asked John Vorster this direct question, “what’s this all about?” John Vorster replied, “Henry has come to insist that you accept black majority rule in Rhodesia.” Ian Smith then asked him, “If I don’t what are the consequences?” John Vorster then went on to explain that if Ian Smith would not accept, then the South African railways would become too congested to transport anything more in or out of Rhodesia. Ian Smith then asked him what would happen if he accepted. John Vorsters reply was, “then we can always make a plan.” What one has to understand is that Rhodesia and South Africa had been strong allies and all sanction busting operations were conducted through South African help. All our arms and military equipment also came via South African assistance. This was no surprise as for many years every time we returned to the bush war on call-up, new ammunition and armaments were issued. During the previous year, we were cleaning dirty ammunition for front line use. I remember the armourers saying. “We wish Smithy and Vorster would kiss and make up so we can get the regular new stuff.” Little did they know what was really transpiring? When we ordered the larger mortars, they would send us engine parts. Now we understood why all this had happened.



    Ian Smith was very reluctant, but John Vorster suggested he come over and read all the documentation that was spread over two boardroom tables. Ian Smith left the contingent he brought with to examine the documentation and he returned to this hotel for the day. They called Ian Smith back later the same afternoon and explained that the Americans knew of every sanction busting operation in the world and literally how much petrol, down to the last thousand litres that the Rhodesian armed forces had. Henry Kissinger explained to Smithy that the game was up and the Americans would close down every sanction busting operation there was and would ensure that South Africa supplied no more fuel to us. Kissinger then asked Ian Smith for his decision. Smithy explained that this was impossible as it would have to be a cabinet decision. They phoned through to Salisbury before they flew home and had the entire cabinet stand by for an emergency meeting when they arrived back.


    ...He then said, “There is a story one worse.” He proceeded to go to his wall safe and out of the safe he took out a thick black book that looked something like a diary. He paged and took me to diarised events two years prior to the Kissinger Proposals. He showed me two meetings held in Europe between Kissinger and John Vorster. He further showed me the plotting and demise of Rhodesia before it happened. I asked him why South Africa would agree to this. He again took me to notes at that point, “you see there was a deal cut that if South Africa conceded to American demands, a longer period of time could be secured for South Africa before they moved to Black Majority rule. If they did not, the Americans were threatening severe early consequences for South Africa. The most devastating revelation was yet to come. Even before the Kissinger Proposals in 1976, the final hand-over of responsible rule in South Africa was planned for late 1993. This I personally saw recorded in this book. He asked me if I had ever seen anything so diabolical. I was shocked that so much can be orchestrated and manipulated and such people had the power to be so treacherous. I then had to ask the most obvious question, “Where on earth did you get all this information?” He then told me that he had been one of the most senior officers in the South African Intelligence Service! South Africa later attained its Democracy or Black Majority Rule in May 1994, some six months after it had been planned back in the 70’s!

     

    Rhodesia was always expendable. The South African mines had to be protected for the billionaire and multi-millionaire investors. The white farmers, small merchants, clerks, teachers, etc. literally mattered nothing, no matter how many ultimately would be killed and/or raped, much less how many would be impoverished.

    The old time most Elite WASPs of the British Empire already had booted Rhodesia and South Africa from the Commonwealth. They, like principal WASP Father Oliver Cromwell, despised most white Gentiles. Once the new most powerful WASPs, Americans, decided they wanted Rhodesia and South Africa to receive the many blessings of black rule, the jig was up. The Yank WASP Empire would utterly destroy both nations to force them to black rule.

    The big catch was Israel and Jewish investors in South Africa. Once they were assured they would not lose money, they agreed.

    • Replies: @utu

    The big catch was Israel and Jewish investors in South Africa. Once they were assured they would not lose money, they agreed.
     
    Probably the completion of H-bomb testing by Israel was the most important issue.
  46. @Ben Kurtz
    I don't see how I was apportioning responsibility, except to the extent of assigning it to the governing authorities in South Africa generally... and noting that the National Party (in power from 1948 to 1994) is no longer in charge. I could care less if the loons of the Democratic Alliance or the goons of the ANC are more responsible for this mess.

    As far as "losing ground economically when compared to the United States," I don't understand what you mean by that statement. In 2016, SA has a per capita GDP of around $12,000 (constant dollar, PPP); the U.S. is in excess of four times that. The comparison is meaningless.

    Can you name a single major U.S. city that declared that it would shut off its taps in a few months because it was about to run out of drinking water?

    “Can you name a single major U.S. city that declared that it would shut off its taps in a few months because it was about to run out of drinking water?”

    I guess Flint is not a major city. But eventually, the US will see similar problems: in cities that are run by blacks after the Feds are no longer able to send huge cash wads to places ruined by local black rule.

  47. @Art Deco
    Well, I'm not a civil engineer, so I don't claim to be able to apportion responsibility, which Kurtz does.


    Again, South Africa hasn't been losing ground economically when compared to the United States and it's not suffering a deterioration in it's overall level of public order (the place has had horrendous crime rates for decades and the homicide rate was in 1994 twice what it is today). It's had for the last 8 years a rather grotesque and embarrassing figure occupying it's presidency. Well, he's out. That's what is. It doesn't stop the louts here from running their tape yet one more time.

    Well, I’m not a civil engineer, so I don’t claim to be able to apportion responsibility, which Kurtz does.

    Unfamiliarity with a topic doesn’t seem to prevent you from running your smug, pedantic yap in any other circumstance, you officious twit.

    • LOL: L Woods
  48. @Bill
    I wonder if there are any other countries like that?

    I wonder if there are any other countries like that?

    LOL. Yep, sadly has been all too common. We can dream of “what might have been” had we not gone down that road.

  49. @anonymouslee
    some conspiracies are true. is this one? probably not but...



    On Monday morning the Rhodesian contingent walked into the Union Buildings in Pretoria where they were introduced to Henry Kissinger. Ian Smith asked John Vorster this direct question, “what’s this all about?” John Vorster replied, “Henry has come to insist that you accept black majority rule in Rhodesia.” Ian Smith then asked him, “If I don’t what are the consequences?” John Vorster then went on to explain that if Ian Smith would not accept, then the South African railways would become too congested to transport anything more in or out of Rhodesia. Ian Smith then asked him what would happen if he accepted. John Vorsters reply was, “then we can always make a plan.” What one has to understand is that Rhodesia and South Africa had been strong allies and all sanction busting operations were conducted through South African help. All our arms and military equipment also came via South African assistance. This was no surprise as for many years every time we returned to the bush war on call-up, new ammunition and armaments were issued. During the previous year, we were cleaning dirty ammunition for front line use. I remember the armourers saying. “We wish Smithy and Vorster would kiss and make up so we can get the regular new stuff.” Little did they know what was really transpiring? When we ordered the larger mortars, they would send us engine parts. Now we understood why all this had happened.



    Ian Smith was very reluctant, but John Vorster suggested he come over and read all the documentation that was spread over two boardroom tables. Ian Smith left the contingent he brought with to examine the documentation and he returned to this hotel for the day. They called Ian Smith back later the same afternoon and explained that the Americans knew of every sanction busting operation in the world and literally how much petrol, down to the last thousand litres that the Rhodesian armed forces had. Henry Kissinger explained to Smithy that the game was up and the Americans would close down every sanction busting operation there was and would ensure that South Africa supplied no more fuel to us. Kissinger then asked Ian Smith for his decision. Smithy explained that this was impossible as it would have to be a cabinet decision. They phoned through to Salisbury before they flew home and had the entire cabinet stand by for an emergency meeting when they arrived back.


    ...He then said, “There is a story one worse.” He proceeded to go to his wall safe and out of the safe he took out a thick black book that looked something like a diary. He paged and took me to diarised events two years prior to the Kissinger Proposals. He showed me two meetings held in Europe between Kissinger and John Vorster. He further showed me the plotting and demise of Rhodesia before it happened. I asked him why South Africa would agree to this. He again took me to notes at that point, “you see there was a deal cut that if South Africa conceded to American demands, a longer period of time could be secured for South Africa before they moved to Black Majority rule. If they did not, the Americans were threatening severe early consequences for South Africa. The most devastating revelation was yet to come. Even before the Kissinger Proposals in 1976, the final hand-over of responsible rule in South Africa was planned for late 1993. This I personally saw recorded in this book. He asked me if I had ever seen anything so diabolical. I was shocked that so much can be orchestrated and manipulated and such people had the power to be so treacherous. I then had to ask the most obvious question, “Where on earth did you get all this information?” He then told me that he had been one of the most senior officers in the South African Intelligence Service! South Africa later attained its Democracy or Black Majority Rule in May 1994, some six months after it had been planned back in the 70’s!

     

    Very shortly after the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe. Could there be a connection?

    • Replies: @G Pinfold
    Yes. There are profound connections.
    Chief among them was changing US foreign policy. South Africa had hitherto been useful to the Cold War effort as a regional power in proxy wars against Soviets places like Angola. With the End Of History, South Africa was dispensable and indeed a prime candidate for regime change. Clinton, who bombed Belgrade with gay abandon, may have targeted Pretoria had the Boers not gone along.
    Ironically, Mandela won the 1994 elections as leader of the ANC/SACP alliance - so one bright spot for the Communists in an otherwise bleak decade.
    , @utu
    If so, the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe also must have been planned. Perhaps there is black book with the plan for Eastern Europe and the timetable.
  50. @Pat Hannagan
    Crimea, Boer, WW One and Two, Korea, Vietnam (not taking into account lesser battles like Grenada and Your Own Private Idaho, Branch Davidians, Wako, Texas, Antony Chigurh) add to this with your own memories of Greatest American Invasions on Behalf of Jew:

    Judeo-America!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLm3Khusq_8

    Crimea, Boer, WW One and Two, Korea, Vietnam (not taking into account lesser battles like Grenada and Your Own Private Idaho, Branch Davidians, Wako, Texas, Antony Chigurh) add to this with your own memories of Greatest American Invasions on Behalf of Jew:

    Judeo-America!

    What did the USA have to do with the Crimean War and the Boer War?

  51. @Pat Hannagan
    Crimea, Boer, WW One and Two, Korea, Vietnam (not taking into account lesser battles like Grenada and Your Own Private Idaho, Branch Davidians, Wako, Texas, Antony Chigurh) add to this with your own memories of Greatest American Invasions on Behalf of Jew:

    Judeo-America!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLm3Khusq_8

    I understand that Jews run the propaganda operations in the media and Hollywood, but Anglos had a lot to do with this mess out of their own greed. Mostly the Jews support whomever is in power. If can’t find a solution to the WASP portion of our predicament, the actions of the Jews are irrelevant. We wouldn’t be here if the Anglo elite didn’t sell out the Anglo lower strata.

    Circling the wagons around our own is something WASPs could learn and emulate. Can’t blame Jews for wanting to prosper.

  52. Jacob Zuma’s been squirmin’ and spermin’
    With Uma “Va-Va-Vooma” Thurman.
    Rumor has it that Uma
    Hopes to be Uma Zuma
    (The Big Day has not yet been determined.)

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  53. @Ben Kurtz
    There's a huge GoodWhite-BadWhite / Cold Civil War element that you are overlooking in that analysis:

    Dutch (Boer) vs. English.

    The Boers were settler-colonists who founded cities, built farms, trekked overland and developed a sustainable presence on the land. They were there first, and their oldest colonies (which indeed started as merchant way-stations) are almost as old as European settlement in North America -- mid-1600s. Their history is very reminiscent of the founding of the United States.

    The English, who came after the Boers, were very much merchant / adventurer colonists in South Africa -- much like they were in places like India, and a lot less like they were in places like America and Australia. They were into building gold mines and diamond mines and Victorian megaprojects like Cape-to-Cairo railroad lines. The farmer/settler impulse was much weaker with the English; when Anglophones sought to move to Southern Africa in farmer/settler mode they often ended up in Rhodesia, north of South Africa.

    These different interests of the two white communities led to the development of a number of separate colonies over the 19th century in the area that is now South Africa, as the English and Dutch vied for supremacy in their own areas. These conflicts eventually led to the Boer Wars, when the English established dominion over all of what eventually became the Union of South Africa, and in the process did charming things like invent the concentration camp, where they shipped Boer women and children.

    Notably, it was the English -- not the Boers -- who were most keen on using "cheap labor," primarily in their mines. The Boers were not keen on this, and not keen on the big mining enterprises in general, which was one of the big factors contributing to the English/Boer conflict.

    In post-WWII South Africa, the English tend to be the "Good Whites" while the Boers are most definitely the rural redneck "Bad Whites." At this point, everyone -- English, Boer, Asian (meaning, basically, Indians imported by the British to be factory and menial clerical labor because the other non-White groups were unsuited for the work; Ghandi, yes, THAT Ghandi, descended from this group), Coloured (meaning, basically, Khoisan/Bushman) and Black (meaning, basically, Bantu/regular Sub-Saharan African) has spent enough time living close to everyone else that the richer folks all use "cheap labor" when it suits them and everyone is a race realist but not allowed to say so out loud.

    Shame, though, about the water supply. It was a really lovely place in its day.

    There’s another ””””’white””””” community you’re not mentioning

  54. @Antonius
    Zuma makes the Devil look like a scholar and a gentleman.

    I read a few books on South Africa a while ago and it looks like Zuma is considered likeable even by those who abhor his policies. The former president Mbeki on the other hand…

  55. @Ben Kurtz
    I don't see how I was apportioning responsibility, except to the extent of assigning it to the governing authorities in South Africa generally... and noting that the National Party (in power from 1948 to 1994) is no longer in charge. I could care less if the loons of the Democratic Alliance or the goons of the ANC are more responsible for this mess.

    As far as "losing ground economically when compared to the United States," I don't understand what you mean by that statement. In 2016, SA has a per capita GDP of around $12,000 (constant dollar, PPP); the U.S. is in excess of four times that. The comparison is meaningless.

    Can you name a single major U.S. city that declared that it would shut off its taps in a few months because it was about to run out of drinking water?

    It’s urgent in Cape Town now but don’t pretend that things were that rosy in Los Angeles in 2015 either.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    Yes, California also suffered a drought recently. But the experience there kind of proves the opposite of what you seem to be saying.

    Don't confuse a rule limiting lawn-watering to two days a week and a 25% overall savings target (Los Angeles), with a rule limiting personal consumption to 13 gallons per person per day with the threat of the taps running dry in 100 days (Cape Town). Thirteen gallons per day works out to a 5 minute shower using a newfangled low-flow shower head, with nothing left over for cooking, drinking, washing your clothes or flushing the toilet. It's an impossibly low ration for a modern lifestyle.

    The very moderate pinch felt in California, versus the doomsday scenario facing Cape Town, is exactly the difference between First Word and Third World infrastructure. South Africa's top cities used to have the former. They now have the latter.
  56. some conspiracies are true. is this one? probably not but…

    It seems kinda obvious that the vile US regime put up with Apartheid regime because of the Cold War, and once that was over, so was their tolerance. If the American South couldn’t have nice things, why could the South Africans?

    No, you’re a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    So, nothing of substance to say.

    – Terrific land, strong people, impressive deeds … could have been a great nation.
    – But they used “cheap labor” … the end.

    They couldn’t have kept out the blacks if they tried. In fact, IIRC, they did try, with less than success.

  57. @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    I suppose Zille, Obama, the Bushes, Macron, Merkel and Cameron are “normal” politicians if “normal” is meant to mean “at par with the Zeitgeist,” which by any measure is considered by most iSteve readers to be “bat-shit crazy.” But since you clearly know that, I must say I’m somewhat baffled at your continuing to attempt ruffle feathers on here, unless you happen to enjoy trolling for trolling’s sake.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    I must say I’m somewhat baffled at your continuing to attempt ruffle feathers on here, unless you happen to enjoy trolling for trolling’s sake.

    I put the data out there. That ruffles the feathers of people emotionally invested in social fictions. Not my problem.
    , @Mr. Anon
    Art Deco suffers from the delusion that he is an important person, with something important to say.

    Whereas, in truth, he is a nobody, with nothing of importance to say.

  58. Right now the big anxiety is over violent attacks on white rural populations

    By blacks. Attacks on white populations by black populations. You won’t burst into flames if you say it, candy-ass.

    and possible land seizures of the sort that happened in Zimbabwe in 1999-2000.

    Going the way of Rhodesia? What could possibly go wrong?

    Zuma was trying to perpetuate his rule by putting one of his harem in the Presidency. Zuma himself is a grotesque in ways Mandela was not, Mbeki was not, and Ramaphosa is not. South Africa is well rid of him.

    Zuma and his ilk are the future of SA’s rulership. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

  59. @Ben Kurtz
    There's a huge GoodWhite-BadWhite / Cold Civil War element that you are overlooking in that analysis:

    Dutch (Boer) vs. English.

    The Boers were settler-colonists who founded cities, built farms, trekked overland and developed a sustainable presence on the land. They were there first, and their oldest colonies (which indeed started as merchant way-stations) are almost as old as European settlement in North America -- mid-1600s. Their history is very reminiscent of the founding of the United States.

    The English, who came after the Boers, were very much merchant / adventurer colonists in South Africa -- much like they were in places like India, and a lot less like they were in places like America and Australia. They were into building gold mines and diamond mines and Victorian megaprojects like Cape-to-Cairo railroad lines. The farmer/settler impulse was much weaker with the English; when Anglophones sought to move to Southern Africa in farmer/settler mode they often ended up in Rhodesia, north of South Africa.

    These different interests of the two white communities led to the development of a number of separate colonies over the 19th century in the area that is now South Africa, as the English and Dutch vied for supremacy in their own areas. These conflicts eventually led to the Boer Wars, when the English established dominion over all of what eventually became the Union of South Africa, and in the process did charming things like invent the concentration camp, where they shipped Boer women and children.

    Notably, it was the English -- not the Boers -- who were most keen on using "cheap labor," primarily in their mines. The Boers were not keen on this, and not keen on the big mining enterprises in general, which was one of the big factors contributing to the English/Boer conflict.

    In post-WWII South Africa, the English tend to be the "Good Whites" while the Boers are most definitely the rural redneck "Bad Whites." At this point, everyone -- English, Boer, Asian (meaning, basically, Indians imported by the British to be factory and menial clerical labor because the other non-White groups were unsuited for the work; Ghandi, yes, THAT Ghandi, descended from this group), Coloured (meaning, basically, Khoisan/Bushman) and Black (meaning, basically, Bantu/regular Sub-Saharan African) has spent enough time living close to everyone else that the richer folks all use "cheap labor" when it suits them and everyone is a race realist but not allowed to say so out loud.

    Shame, though, about the water supply. It was a really lovely place in its day.

    Ben, i’m pretty much aware of this in my “one page” history.

    Except i don’t believe it was just the English–mining–using cheap labor. My understanding is the Boer were using blacks–had enslaved them originally in the Cape Colony–and that slavery, compensation for freed slaves and their equality under law were all issues–along with taxation and regulation, of course–in prompting The Great Trek.

    The siren song of cheap labor has brought many to ruin. It’s always so tempting … oh, if i just had some cheap help i could have a bigger farm (later business) and be rich! Greed. It’s not like you can’t do that. But the only way to do it that’s in your long run interest is to have more kids, or bring on a young man from your own community as a “hired man”. Maybe one of those–smart, hard working and of good character can even be a match for your daughter and inherit the farm if you don’t have sons of your own. But the “cheap labor” siren is calling you onto the rocks. It took hundreds of years but it is destroying the Boer now.

    The bottom line is alway the same–“cheap labor” is never cheap, it’s the most expensive labor in the world.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    But the only way to do it that’s in your long run interest is to have more kids, or bring on a young man from your own community as a “hired man”.
     
    Its also not exactly realistic to expect wealthy people to be rooted like plants. Mobility is a human capability ,did you realize that? Especially with money.
    , @Ben Kurtz
    My impression is that outside of Cape Town and the Cape Colony, non-white "cheap labor" was far less popular among the Boers than the English. Not unheard of, but far less common.

    But I think we are in fundamental agreement -- bringing strange ethnic groups into your society for the sake of "cheap labor" is never a cheap solution. Amen to that.
    , @Mompara
    It is not the case that the Boers enslaved the local blacks. Slaves were imported from abroad, e.g. Malays, and though Livingstone accused them of enslaving locals once they had trekked inland, this was not true (modulo sporadic abuses).
  60. @Art Deco
    I think you mean Darren Wilson.

    Ramaphosa is the comparatively congenial figure among the two and had the support of the liberal element in the ANC who don't want the country to go the way of Zimbabwe. The country has not been losing ground economically vis a vis the West in the last 20 years (as it did between 1975 and 1998). The overall public order situation is bad, but no worse than it was in 1985 and better than it was in 1995. I'd wager, though, that the effects of the disorder have been reallocated some and that's injured the quality of life of the Afrikaner and white Anglophone populations. Right now the big anxiety is over violent attacks on white rural populations and possible land seizures of the sort that happened in Zimbabwe in 1999-2000.

    Zuma was trying to perpetuate his rule by putting one of his harem in the Presidency. Zuma himself is a grotesque in ways Mandela was not, Mbeki was not, and Ramaphosa is not. South Africa is well rid of him.

    Mbeki enforced the crazy AIDS-policy that killed ~340,000 people…

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Mbeki was ridiculous but the volunteer-administered AIDS testing and Bono and Richard Branson type regime that replaced his witch doctoring are actually no better. Those people didn't die because of Mbeki, they died because they lived bad lives in unsanitary places. Third world medicine is a racket.
  61. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    Ben, i'm pretty much aware of this in my "one page" history.

    Except i don't believe it was just the English--mining--using cheap labor. My understanding is the Boer were using blacks--had enslaved them originally in the Cape Colony--and that slavery, compensation for freed slaves and their equality under law were all issues--along with taxation and regulation, of course--in prompting The Great Trek.

    The siren song of cheap labor has brought many to ruin. It's always so tempting ... oh, if i just had some cheap help i could have a bigger farm (later business) and be rich! Greed. It's not like you can't do that. But the only way to do it that's in your long run interest is to have more kids, or bring on a young man from your own community as a "hired man". Maybe one of those--smart, hard working and of good character can even be a match for your daughter and inherit the farm if you don't have sons of your own. But the "cheap labor" siren is calling you onto the rocks. It took hundreds of years but it is destroying the Boer now.

    The bottom line is alway the same--"cheap labor" is never cheap, it's the most expensive labor in the world.

    But the only way to do it that’s in your long run interest is to have more kids, or bring on a young man from your own community as a “hired man”.

    Its also not exactly realistic to expect wealthy people to be rooted like plants. Mobility is a human capability ,did you realize that? Especially with money.

  62. @AnotherDad
    Ben, i'm pretty much aware of this in my "one page" history.

    Except i don't believe it was just the English--mining--using cheap labor. My understanding is the Boer were using blacks--had enslaved them originally in the Cape Colony--and that slavery, compensation for freed slaves and their equality under law were all issues--along with taxation and regulation, of course--in prompting The Great Trek.

    The siren song of cheap labor has brought many to ruin. It's always so tempting ... oh, if i just had some cheap help i could have a bigger farm (later business) and be rich! Greed. It's not like you can't do that. But the only way to do it that's in your long run interest is to have more kids, or bring on a young man from your own community as a "hired man". Maybe one of those--smart, hard working and of good character can even be a match for your daughter and inherit the farm if you don't have sons of your own. But the "cheap labor" siren is calling you onto the rocks. It took hundreds of years but it is destroying the Boer now.

    The bottom line is alway the same--"cheap labor" is never cheap, it's the most expensive labor in the world.

    My impression is that outside of Cape Town and the Cape Colony, non-white “cheap labor” was far less popular among the Boers than the English. Not unheard of, but far less common.

    But I think we are in fundamental agreement — bringing strange ethnic groups into your society for the sake of “cheap labor” is never a cheap solution. Amen to that.

  63. NYT’s diversity hires and tokens angry about Bari Weiss hire. Makes workplaces full of SJWs look like a horror show. I could only read 1/3 of it.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-times-diversity-bari-weiss-tweet_us_5a833d4ee4b0cf06751f3f44?jar

    Bari was great on Bill Maher’s show last Friday. She’s 32 but looks about 26.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Peter Thiel moving his businesses to LA, specifically the same Hollywood centered little section of the LA area that is also home to Steve, Breitbart, Kaus, Ben Shapiro, and some local LA conservatives Steve used to post about more. I think Coulter spends about half her time there too, but might be off.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-peter-thiel-20180215-story.html

    Really I don't get why you all don't just complete the trip south down to OC or San Diego.

    North San Diego County is rock solid GOP and represented by Duncan Hunter, first member of the House to endorse DJT for President. San Diego is the largest city in America not to declare itself a "sanctuary" and SD County is likewise the largest county.
  64. ArtDeco’s assertion that public order in SA is somehow improved from 1994 is fallacious. Of course there is the fact that 1985-1994 was an extended civil war, but leave that aside for the moment. Most crimes that were routinely reported in 1994, and prior to then, are no longer reported. Moreover the police no longer record a large swathe of crime or have downgraded the classifications recorded.

    I know because I grew up there and still visit regularly. You need personal information to know what is actually going on. Simply use your eyes. Electric fences are now necessary in the southern suburbs of Cape Town. They were very rare in the early 1990s. In the early 199os I could walk up to the university late at night without blinking an eye. Now you can be abducted on campus in broad daylight. Private armed response cars are perched on corners everywhere, waiting for a call. Everybody you speak to has direct personal contact with violent crime.

    When your personal knowledge extends to more than one person directly known to you who has actually been murdered, usually brutally and with malice, do some simple extrapolation. Routine law breaking is a rampant epidemic that you can witness simply by driving on the roads. Ambassadors have been abducted and raped. Yes, read that again: ambassadors.

    By the way, by law the Western Cape government cannot supply bulk water. The City does share some of the blame in not cracking down harder on usage earlier. But the fundamental culprit is the completely inadequate level of capital investment. In truth there is no easy fix for that, given that the fiscal basis of the state is limited to a tiny fraction of the population—and the principal innovation of African Political Science is the use of the treasury as a personal piggy bank. The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind
     
    Squatters use 3% of the water supply. Turns out that one tap shared by dozens of people is pretty efficient. Not saying that they aren't putting a strain on the education and public healthcare systems, but they don't have much of a role on the water crisis.

    As for the rest, there's some truth and some hyperbole there... the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing. SA is probably going to experience a Latin-American semi-homogenization, going forward.
    , @The King is A Fink
    Good post. As I am sure you are aware, I'll just add that at some point South Africa quite conveniently stopped collecting crime statistics by race, so its practically impossible to get a true picture of what is happening.

    I did find this 2009 research paper that uses 2001 data to conclude that the burden of crime falls on the black population. I'm skeptical about this in many ways, the age of the data notwithstanding. I highly suspect the number of whites in South Africa is over-estimated (due to white flight) and the number of blacks is under-estimated (due to inward migration). Add to this a political willingness to supress the data and an organised pogrom against whites and its easy to see why the numbers are hard to find and the available statistics are dubious.

    https://oldsite.issafrica.org/uploads/CQ30SILBER.PDF
     
    , @Art Deco
    I know because I grew up there and still visit regularly. You need personal information to know what is actually going on. Simply use your eyes. E

    No, that's not going to help you. Your eyes cherry-pick according to the song in your head.
  65. @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    That does not change the fact that you a talking out your arse. Just because you have a google machine in the retirement village does not mean you are a genius.

    Stick to criticizing people’s grammar on Cowen’s website. That’s your speed.

  66. @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    You calling anyone a buffoon is exhibit A for how up your own ass you are.

    • Agree: Bill
  67. @Art Deco
    It’s less than 25 years after the end of Apartheid, and one of the country’s crown jewels is on the brink of self-imposed ruin.

    The Western Cape government has been controlled by the political opposition in South Africa since 1994. The Cape Town municipality has been controlled by the opposition for all but four years since that time. Cape Town had a black mayor from 2002 to 2006. All other mayors were white or Coloured. There has yet to be a black premier in the Western Cape. The current mayor of Cape Town is Coloured and the premier of the Western Cape white.

    The national government controls bulk water supply. Thet have messed up countrywide, but – given opposition control and very major internal migration – have left the Western Cape exposed to drought. Not the fault of the local administration, then.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    South Africa has enormous water transfer schemes: the Lesotho Highlands Water Project is the biggest example, but there are others. However, Cape Town's water supply is unique, because of its mountain-ringed geography: the dams that supply Cape Town are close to the city, making the crisis a much more local affair than it would be elswhere.

    Also, the Democratic Party (predecessor to the Democratic Alliance) pushed hardest for federalism in the South African constitution...and they have used their governance of the Western Cape to "own" the province. The mayor of Cape Town (who has an almost all white male cabinet) seems to have delayed augmentation schemes (the big cities generally augment their bulk water supplies with water abstracted from springs and other local sources). The DA government pushed for water conservation above all else, rather than seeking new supply.

    The Democratic Alliance, which, perhaps remarkably, won local government elections in 2016 in black-majority Johannesburg and Pretoria doesn't seem to be much of a success in those places either (early days though, to be fair).

    DA apologists are contorting themselves into blaming the ANC, but their party was caught napping (and also was a victim of a freak weather event). The other favorite excuse- that black squatters are straining the water supply-is also a lie, considering that they have to share communal taps, and can only consume 3% of the total water supply.

    I expect that the current DA shenanigans to find a scapegoat for the water crisis, and its excuse-making is going to cost it dearly at the next national election (an election where it could have been the senior partner in a governing coalition).
    , @Anonymous
    DA apologists are falling over themselves to defend their party. Cape Town's water supply is very local, unlike the rest of SA where water has to be transferred vast distances between river basins and pumped uphill. Also, internal migrants aka squatters use a minuscule amount of water (3%) because there isn't infrastructure for them to use more. The Western Cape and Cape Town governments could have augmented the bulk supply with spring abstraction, sewerage reclamation, and desalination, but were caught napping, and assumed that water conservation would save them (EDIT: or perhaps Steve's theory about them deliberately under-investing in water makes more sense).

    Even white governments make mistakes, though perhaps at a lower rate than black ones.

  68. Most of Zuma’s followers are center-right and criticize white monopoly capital all day. It has nothing to do with his fall. The guy’s just extremely incompetent.

  69. Ramaphosa gave a speech about a month ago — this speech appears to have been the international media taking notice of him in preparation for the transfer — in which he explicitly said that government seizure of white-owned land would be considered as a possible future policy. This seizure already happens as a domestic black op involving criminals who have been shown by their equipment and in interviews with government officials to be state-supported, Ramaphosa was talking about doing it openly. It is possible he was merely paying lip service to something that is perversely less outlandish the closer you get to Zimbabwe, but that’s like if a post-Zionist political power emerged in the US and proposed registering Jews as part of excluding them from government office, not because they were really going to do it but just to pacify their more radical constituents. There is no good land confiscation and there is nothing intelligent done with that land once it’s out of its owners’ hands.
    ——-
    It is interesting to see them go after the Guptas, I did not think that was possible. I predict there will be scandalous headlines about the unique extremes of South Asian Nouveau Riche Kitsch, but absolutely nothing legislatively useful about the conditions that made that possible, and the Guptas will either learn a modicum of subtlety or be replaced by near-equivalents who can.
    ——-
    OT Peter Thiel leaves Silicon Valley on rights grounds, calling it a one-party state.
    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/02/15/wsj-peter-thiel-leaves-silicon-valley-l/

  70. @theo the kraut
    Mbeki enforced the crazy AIDS-policy that killed ~340,000 people...

    Mbeki was ridiculous but the volunteer-administered AIDS testing and Bono and Richard Branson type regime that replaced his witch doctoring are actually no better. Those people didn’t die because of Mbeki, they died because they lived bad lives in unsanitary places. Third world medicine is a racket.

  71. @Lot
    NYT's diversity hires and tokens angry about Bari Weiss hire. Makes workplaces full of SJWs look like a horror show. I could only read 1/3 of it.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-times-diversity-bari-weiss-tweet_us_5a833d4ee4b0cf06751f3f44?jar

    Bari was great on Bill Maher's show last Friday. She's 32 but looks about 26.

    Peter Thiel moving his businesses to LA, specifically the same Hollywood centered little section of the LA area that is also home to Steve, Breitbart, Kaus, Ben Shapiro, and some local LA conservatives Steve used to post about more. I think Coulter spends about half her time there too, but might be off.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-peter-thiel-20180215-story.html

    Really I don’t get why you all don’t just complete the trip south down to OC or San Diego.

    North San Diego County is rock solid GOP and represented by Duncan Hunter, first member of the House to endorse DJT for President. San Diego is the largest city in America not to declare itself a “sanctuary” and SD County is likewise the largest county.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Really I don’t get why you all don’t just complete the trip south down to OC or San Diego.
    North San Diego County is rock solid GOP and represented by Duncan Hunter, first member of the House to endorse DJT for President. San Diego is the largest city in America not to declare itself a “sanctuary” and SD County is likewise the largest county.
     
    It's not vibrant. Steve wants to live somewhere "vibrant".

    Seriously Lot, my best friend lives there, enjoy visiting, weather's great ... but it's doomed as well. The Mexican invasion continues apace--up over 30% now. San Diego County was only 50% and change non-Hispanic white in the 2010 census. Must be under 50% now. It's a generation or so behind Los Angeles but the trajectory is similar.

    You either have a border or you don't. We don't.
  72. @neutral

    But don’t ask me who are the main conspirators in South Africa.
     
    South Africa is essentially a one party state, the ANC is so dominant that winning the elections are a mere formality, thus the only politics that really matters is the internal ANC party politics. The ANC consists of various factions competing for power, the previous president was also ousted before elections took place. In the case of Zuma, he was so blatantly corrupt that even those in the generally corrupt party could not ignore this any longer.

    Post-Apartheid South Africa is a one-party state. Ilana Mercer has an description in her Into The Cannibal’s Pot of how when they rewrote the constitution they set it up so that it is effectively impossible to defeat or supplant the ANC. Other (ethnically) African groups complained at the time and proposed more democratic alternatives; they were rejected by the ANC, which is to say, by the state. The only real way around this short of a new constitution is the parry suffering sustained, impossibly massive, widespread unpopularity — hence the Chinese opera of removing a high official long known to be corrupt once he gets ridiculous enough to possibly damage the party’s basic popularity.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Post-Apartheid South Africa is a one-party state. I

    The term 'one-party state' does not mean what you think it means.
    , @Anonymous
    Mercer wrote her book in 2012. As of 2018, the DA is running Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Pretoria and Johannesburg. Malema's EFF has flanked the ANC on the Left and in parliament. The judiciary remains independent and the media are about as free as they are in the first-world (make of that what you will). The ANC's electoral dominance seems to be the similar to other African liberation movements. If anything, it's fading more quickly (Cyril may rescue its fortunes in 2019, but it isn't a sure thing). Hardly evidence of a one-party-state.

    As for the electoral process, it's not the only party-list proportional representation system in the world, and it seems like a fair way to get widely dispersed people with similar interests representation. I doubt that the Afrikaner Freedom Front would have won a single seat in a first-past-the-post system.

    Party bosses do have a lot of power, but it seems like all the parties prefer it that way, along with near-complete donor opacity
  73. @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    Harrrumph!

  74. @Art Deco
    Well, I'm not a civil engineer, so I don't claim to be able to apportion responsibility, which Kurtz does.


    Again, South Africa hasn't been losing ground economically when compared to the United States and it's not suffering a deterioration in it's overall level of public order (the place has had horrendous crime rates for decades and the homicide rate was in 1994 twice what it is today). It's had for the last 8 years a rather grotesque and embarrassing figure occupying it's presidency. Well, he's out. That's what is. It doesn't stop the louts here from running their tape yet one more time.

    Do you accept the official crime rates? Do you think crime has gone down because the police have gotten more effective?

    • Replies: @anon
    Just spent 7 months in Cape Town and environs (working in healthcare), from my experience there is definitely not a crime problem. There are some no so nice areas of town but overall it’s safer than any American city of the same size or larger. The water thing is a mess but a drought that long really couldn’t be predicted. The Republic of South Africa is a success story and their healthcare system is 10x better than the USA or Canada (have workrd in both).
    , @Art Deco
    The comparative homicide rates are incorporated into World Development Indicators. I think the South African Institute of Race Relations publishes numbers. Just make up your own numbers if that'll help you feel better.
  75. @Ben Kurtz
    There's a huge GoodWhite-BadWhite / Cold Civil War element that you are overlooking in that analysis:

    Dutch (Boer) vs. English.

    The Boers were settler-colonists who founded cities, built farms, trekked overland and developed a sustainable presence on the land. They were there first, and their oldest colonies (which indeed started as merchant way-stations) are almost as old as European settlement in North America -- mid-1600s. Their history is very reminiscent of the founding of the United States.

    The English, who came after the Boers, were very much merchant / adventurer colonists in South Africa -- much like they were in places like India, and a lot less like they were in places like America and Australia. They were into building gold mines and diamond mines and Victorian megaprojects like Cape-to-Cairo railroad lines. The farmer/settler impulse was much weaker with the English; when Anglophones sought to move to Southern Africa in farmer/settler mode they often ended up in Rhodesia, north of South Africa.

    These different interests of the two white communities led to the development of a number of separate colonies over the 19th century in the area that is now South Africa, as the English and Dutch vied for supremacy in their own areas. These conflicts eventually led to the Boer Wars, when the English established dominion over all of what eventually became the Union of South Africa, and in the process did charming things like invent the concentration camp, where they shipped Boer women and children.

    Notably, it was the English -- not the Boers -- who were most keen on using "cheap labor," primarily in their mines. The Boers were not keen on this, and not keen on the big mining enterprises in general, which was one of the big factors contributing to the English/Boer conflict.

    In post-WWII South Africa, the English tend to be the "Good Whites" while the Boers are most definitely the rural redneck "Bad Whites." At this point, everyone -- English, Boer, Asian (meaning, basically, Indians imported by the British to be factory and menial clerical labor because the other non-White groups were unsuited for the work; Ghandi, yes, THAT Ghandi, descended from this group), Coloured (meaning, basically, Khoisan/Bushman) and Black (meaning, basically, Bantu/regular Sub-Saharan African) has spent enough time living close to everyone else that the richer folks all use "cheap labor" when it suits them and everyone is a race realist but not allowed to say so out loud.

    Shame, though, about the water supply. It was a really lovely place in its day.

    “At this point, everyone … has spent enough time living close to everyone else that the richer folks all use ‘cheap labor’ when it suits them and everyone is a race realist but not allowed to say so out loud.”

    Sounds like our diverse country.

  76. I don’t pretend to understand South Africa, which I wrote about in Taki’s Magazine last week. My vague impression of South African history, however, going back to Cecil Rhodes devoting his initial will to the creation of (in Rhodes’ words) a “secret society,” a sort of Anglophilic Jesuits, to promote the domination of the world by the British Empire, suggests that if there is any place worth conspiring over, it’s South Africa with its diamonds and gold. But don’t ask me who are the main conspirators in South Africa.

    WASP / Jew ruling class of the American Empire = “Not-So Secret Society”

  77. white South African girls need a good rote ring from a Man of Color

  78. @The Z Blog
    Political opposition to what?

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. The other thing she opposes is sanity. Her predecessor is an obese lesbian, member of the ANC and also an ethno-masochist. The guy before her was a Muslim ANC member.

    The people claiming to be "on the right side of history" for the last three decades have been firmly in charge for a long time and the results have been what was expected.

    The fat man is autistic or trollic. Take your pick.

  79. @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    I got a Schnippers order here for fatso!

    • LOL: Jack Hanson
  80. Obama’s real reaction when his portrait was unveiled. Allergy to all those leaves and grass.

  81. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: My company’s Head of Diversity posted this to our corporate website today: https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Kids-of-parents-on-work-visas-face-uncertain-12259704.php

    A whole shitload of Indians chimed in with their own sob stories about waiting on green cards. Are these people kidding me? IT wages have completely stagnated because of H1Bs and now we owe them as well as every other global citizen a free and easy way to come here, have kids and stay? Seething.

  82. @Barnard
    From the second article he linked:

    The responsibility for water services is shared across different levels of government in South Africa. The national department of Water Affairs and Sanitation has to provide bulk water infrastructure and supply to municipalities. For their part municipalities are responsible for cleaning and producing the water to potable standards and bringing it to the people.
     
    This isn't strictly a local government problem in Cape Town. The corruption and incompetence of the ANC is obviously contributing to it.

    Barnard, California gets water from other states, and great snow melt run off and lets it flow to the sea, when they could capture it with dams and reservoirs. Michigan has the city of Flint with Third World level lead in the drinking water. Forget diamonds and gold, nothing is more precious than water.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Michigan has excellent drinking water because it's surrounded by the Great Lakes and has numerous aquifers. Flint screwed that up for obvious but media-unmentionable reasons.
  83. anon • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @J.Ross
    Do you accept the official crime rates? Do you think crime has gone down because the police have gotten more effective?

    Just spent 7 months in Cape Town and environs (working in healthcare), from my experience there is definitely not a crime problem. There are some no so nice areas of town but overall it’s safer than any American city of the same size or larger. The water thing is a mess but a drought that long really couldn’t be predicted. The Republic of South Africa is a success story and their healthcare system is 10x better than the USA or Canada (have workrd in both).

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, sorry to be rude but are you nuts? SA's health care is better than the US and Canada. Hope you don't ever need to choose between, let's say Sloan-Kettering, Boston Women and Children, the Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic or a RSA hospital. Not to mention all the great medical schools such as Cornell, Johns Hopkins, Harvard or Duke. I think you are suffering from a bad case of hyperbole...."10x better," whatever.
    , @Jack Hanson
    I didn't realize there was a SAIDF.
  84. @AnotherDad
    Ben, i'm pretty much aware of this in my "one page" history.

    Except i don't believe it was just the English--mining--using cheap labor. My understanding is the Boer were using blacks--had enslaved them originally in the Cape Colony--and that slavery, compensation for freed slaves and their equality under law were all issues--along with taxation and regulation, of course--in prompting The Great Trek.

    The siren song of cheap labor has brought many to ruin. It's always so tempting ... oh, if i just had some cheap help i could have a bigger farm (later business) and be rich! Greed. It's not like you can't do that. But the only way to do it that's in your long run interest is to have more kids, or bring on a young man from your own community as a "hired man". Maybe one of those--smart, hard working and of good character can even be a match for your daughter and inherit the farm if you don't have sons of your own. But the "cheap labor" siren is calling you onto the rocks. It took hundreds of years but it is destroying the Boer now.

    The bottom line is alway the same--"cheap labor" is never cheap, it's the most expensive labor in the world.

    It is not the case that the Boers enslaved the local blacks. Slaves were imported from abroad, e.g. Malays, and though Livingstone accused them of enslaving locals once they had trekked inland, this was not true (modulo sporadic abuses).

  85. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Was Cape Town ever a Boer city? I thought they had always been under control of the British, originally part of Britain’s Cape Colony. The Boer nation of Transvaal was farther inland and to the East.

    Cape Town was founded as a Dutch supply post and settlement by the VOC in 1652. It came under British control during the Napoleonic wars in 1795, passed back and forth a few times, and then came under permanent British control in 1814.

    Dutch settlement spread out along the cape area rather slowly while they controlled Cape Town. Once the British took control of the Cape Colony, the pace of Boer settlement of the interior picked up considerably, prodded by their dislike of British domination.

  86. @biz
    Who does control the diamond business in South Africa? The South African Oppenheimers are mostly not Jewish, if that is what you are getting at.

    They are probably thinking of the ultra-Orthodox diamond merchants in England and the Netherlands. However it is my understanding they are merchants and diamond carvers; if South Africa reduced production (say the government takes over diamond companies and loots them) that would be good for them.

  87. OFF TOPIC

    The election of Trump was supposed to be an advance out of the amnesty for illegal aliens trench towards a more pro-American, pro-sovereignty immigration politics that reduces legal immigration and deports illegal aliens. It seems like the American people are once again in the amnesty trench under attack from the mass immigration pushing globalizers.

    President Trump has been weak on immigration; perhaps as a ruse to entrap the Democrats into becoming more extreme in their advocacy for illegal aliens. Trump’s weakness on immigration — strategic or not — has also revealed the mass immigration supporting proclivities of the GOP as well.

    Perhaps Trump is strategically appearing to be weak on immigration as a feint in the same manner as a bicyclist in a race who feigns weariness at the beginning of a hill climb and then springs to life and hammers up the hill, thereby crushing the spirits of his competitors. Who knows?

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS NOW!

  88. Can anyone recommend a good read about South Africa and Rhodesia? I read “King Leopold’s Ghost” coupled with Joseph Conrad’s “The Heart of Darkness” to learn about the Belgium Congo. “Fatal Shore” was a great book about the founding of Australia. Suggestions please.

    • Replies: @Ben Kurtz
    For Rhodesia, I'm actually partial to Ian Smith's memoirs -- published under the title The Great Betrayal. It's not an objective historian's account, but I found it strangely engrossing.
    , @Flip
    The Covenant by James Michener
    , @jeppo
    Joe, "How Long Will South Africa Survive" by RW Johnson is an excellent overview of the ANC's disastrous rule, by a former liberal who's had the blinders lifted from his eyes.

    Best line from the book (paraphrasing): Nothing that the liberal do-gooders promised would result from "liberation" has happened, while everything the racists said would happen, has.
    , @englishmike
    Four white South African authors...

    Alan Paton: Cry, the Beloved Country.

    Andre Brink: An Instant in the Wind and A Dry White Season.

    Nadine Gordimer: Burger's Daughter and July's People.
    Six Feet of the Country is a collecton of six of her best short stories.

    Doris Lessing: The Black Madonna - six short stories.
    A teacher colleague of mine thought "A Sunrise on the Veldt", in this collection, was the best short story he had ever read.

    Maybe try Brink and Gordimer first?
  89. @John Gruskos
    Take a wild guess who controls the diamond business.

    There is no clearer picture of the PC pecking order than western news regarding South Africa.

    ANC supporters can subject Boers to the world's highest rates of rape and murder, and anyone in the alternative media who dares bring attention to this outrage is denounced as a "racist" by the establishment media.

    But if the leader of the ANC, the hand picked successor of Saint Nelson Mandela, even thinks about threatening the shekels of the (((white monopoly capital))), he is instantly robbed of his constitutional office to the unanimous applause of the establishment media.

    Come now. SA Jews have so much in common with Boers. And are whites when it suits.

    As South Africa celebrates 21 years of freedom this week, the country’s Jews are secure, prosperous, strongly Zionist – and surrogates for increasing criticism of Israel.

    Today’s Jewish community is very different to that of the era of white rule. Back then, it was schizophrenic: Jews helped to maintain apartheid out of all proportion to their numbers because they were so significant in commerce and industry. At its crudest level, a Jewish factory owner who had trouble with his black workers – who had no legal right to strike – acted like other whites and summoned the police who beat a few heads and ended the problem. So apartheid served the factory owner. Jews were also highly prominent as judges, lawyers, academics and doctors. …

    After over 120 years of existence in South Africa, [number of Jews] is down from its high point of 120,000 people and now numbers some 70,000, about 0.14 percent of the total population. It is overwhelmingly Litvak in origin and homogeneous and close-knit; many have turned inward, to religious Orthodoxy. It has efficient internal organs to look after its own and a network of Jewish day schools. It remains heavily Zionist, even though a minority, mainly among the young, challenges faith in Israel.

    Jews are not as prominent in national life as before. They no longer, for example, head huge chains of retail stores. Except Woolworths, linked with Britain’s famed Marks&Spencer, which is a target of boycotts for stocking Israeli products, albeit a tiny amount. Woolworths refuses to buckle. But Jews are still at the forefront in fields like finance and health, and are significant contributors to the economy.

    …As part of the fabric of South African society, Jews have benefited like everyone else from the good that came with the end of apartheid – and are caught up in the problems created by the corruption and cronyism, and resulting incompetence, which have grown into a monster under African National Congress rule.

    Like all South Africans, they suffer from the failing infrastructure, whether mass electricity outages or disastrous school and hospital standards, rampant crime or the anger of the have-nots robbed of their dream of a better life. Prosperity protects many Jews. But like a lot of other South Africans, especially whites, they worry about the future of their children.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-s-african-jews-apologetic-abused-1.5357208

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Ah crap, I failed Post Formatting 101:

    Here, Jews are whites (the ones who use the police state to break heads):


    a Jewish factory owner who had trouble with his black workers – who had no legal right to strike – acted like other whites and summoned the police who beat a few heads and ended the problem. So apartheid served the factory owner.
     
    But in the next sentence, they're Jews again.

    Jews were also highly prominent as judges, lawyers, academics and doctors. …
     
    Then in the last paragraph they're Jews when they're prosperous and secure...

    Prosperity protects many Jews.
     

    But after that they're victims, and whites are Other.

    But like a lot of other South Africans, especially whites, they worry about the future of their children.
     
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    IIRC many of the ANC's "high command" were Jewish, in the "armed struggle", church-bombing days.
  90. @anonymouslee
    some conspiracies are true. is this one? probably not but...



    On Monday morning the Rhodesian contingent walked into the Union Buildings in Pretoria where they were introduced to Henry Kissinger. Ian Smith asked John Vorster this direct question, “what’s this all about?” John Vorster replied, “Henry has come to insist that you accept black majority rule in Rhodesia.” Ian Smith then asked him, “If I don’t what are the consequences?” John Vorster then went on to explain that if Ian Smith would not accept, then the South African railways would become too congested to transport anything more in or out of Rhodesia. Ian Smith then asked him what would happen if he accepted. John Vorsters reply was, “then we can always make a plan.” What one has to understand is that Rhodesia and South Africa had been strong allies and all sanction busting operations were conducted through South African help. All our arms and military equipment also came via South African assistance. This was no surprise as for many years every time we returned to the bush war on call-up, new ammunition and armaments were issued. During the previous year, we were cleaning dirty ammunition for front line use. I remember the armourers saying. “We wish Smithy and Vorster would kiss and make up so we can get the regular new stuff.” Little did they know what was really transpiring? When we ordered the larger mortars, they would send us engine parts. Now we understood why all this had happened.



    Ian Smith was very reluctant, but John Vorster suggested he come over and read all the documentation that was spread over two boardroom tables. Ian Smith left the contingent he brought with to examine the documentation and he returned to this hotel for the day. They called Ian Smith back later the same afternoon and explained that the Americans knew of every sanction busting operation in the world and literally how much petrol, down to the last thousand litres that the Rhodesian armed forces had. Henry Kissinger explained to Smithy that the game was up and the Americans would close down every sanction busting operation there was and would ensure that South Africa supplied no more fuel to us. Kissinger then asked Ian Smith for his decision. Smithy explained that this was impossible as it would have to be a cabinet decision. They phoned through to Salisbury before they flew home and had the entire cabinet stand by for an emergency meeting when they arrived back.


    ...He then said, “There is a story one worse.” He proceeded to go to his wall safe and out of the safe he took out a thick black book that looked something like a diary. He paged and took me to diarised events two years prior to the Kissinger Proposals. He showed me two meetings held in Europe between Kissinger and John Vorster. He further showed me the plotting and demise of Rhodesia before it happened. I asked him why South Africa would agree to this. He again took me to notes at that point, “you see there was a deal cut that if South Africa conceded to American demands, a longer period of time could be secured for South Africa before they moved to Black Majority rule. If they did not, the Americans were threatening severe early consequences for South Africa. The most devastating revelation was yet to come. Even before the Kissinger Proposals in 1976, the final hand-over of responsible rule in South Africa was planned for late 1993. This I personally saw recorded in this book. He asked me if I had ever seen anything so diabolical. I was shocked that so much can be orchestrated and manipulated and such people had the power to be so treacherous. I then had to ask the most obvious question, “Where on earth did you get all this information?” He then told me that he had been one of the most senior officers in the South African Intelligence Service! South Africa later attained its Democracy or Black Majority Rule in May 1994, some six months after it had been planned back in the 70’s!

     

    What difference does it make whether the exact details laid out are true? Obviously, white majority rule in Rhodesia and South Africa ended because the US wanted it to. The details are irrelevant.

  91. @Fredrik
    It's urgent in Cape Town now but don't pretend that things were that rosy in Los Angeles in 2015 either.

    Yes, California also suffered a drought recently. But the experience there kind of proves the opposite of what you seem to be saying.

    Don’t confuse a rule limiting lawn-watering to two days a week and a 25% overall savings target (Los Angeles), with a rule limiting personal consumption to 13 gallons per person per day with the threat of the taps running dry in 100 days (Cape Town). Thirteen gallons per day works out to a 5 minute shower using a newfangled low-flow shower head, with nothing left over for cooking, drinking, washing your clothes or flushing the toilet. It’s an impossibly low ration for a modern lifestyle.

    The very moderate pinch felt in California, versus the doomsday scenario facing Cape Town, is exactly the difference between First Word and Third World infrastructure. South Africa’s top cities used to have the former. They now have the latter.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    I'm not sure what you think I'm saying.

    It's clear what your actual point is. Whites no longer run the place so it's crumbling. This is true for most of South Africa but not so much Western Cape. Actually whites have a lot to say about the running of Western Cape.
  92. @Buffalo Joe
    Can anyone recommend a good read about South Africa and Rhodesia? I read "King Leopold's Ghost" coupled with Joseph Conrad's "The Heart of Darkness" to learn about the Belgium Congo. "Fatal Shore" was a great book about the founding of Australia. Suggestions please.

    For Rhodesia, I’m actually partial to Ian Smith’s memoirs — published under the title The Great Betrayal. It’s not an objective historian’s account, but I found it strangely engrossing.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Ben, thank you.
  93. @neutral

    But don’t ask me who are the main conspirators in South Africa.
     
    South Africa is essentially a one party state, the ANC is so dominant that winning the elections are a mere formality, thus the only politics that really matters is the internal ANC party politics. The ANC consists of various factions competing for power, the previous president was also ousted before elections took place. In the case of Zuma, he was so blatantly corrupt that even those in the generally corrupt party could not ignore this any longer.

    That’s the media’s story, but, as Steve points out, it doesn’t seem very plausible.

  94. @Ben Kurtz
    Yes, California also suffered a drought recently. But the experience there kind of proves the opposite of what you seem to be saying.

    Don't confuse a rule limiting lawn-watering to two days a week and a 25% overall savings target (Los Angeles), with a rule limiting personal consumption to 13 gallons per person per day with the threat of the taps running dry in 100 days (Cape Town). Thirteen gallons per day works out to a 5 minute shower using a newfangled low-flow shower head, with nothing left over for cooking, drinking, washing your clothes or flushing the toilet. It's an impossibly low ration for a modern lifestyle.

    The very moderate pinch felt in California, versus the doomsday scenario facing Cape Town, is exactly the difference between First Word and Third World infrastructure. South Africa's top cities used to have the former. They now have the latter.

    I’m not sure what you think I’m saying.

    It’s clear what your actual point is. Whites no longer run the place so it’s crumbling. This is true for most of South Africa but not so much Western Cape. Actually whites have a lot to say about the running of Western Cape.

  95. Don’t you mean a labor leader worth $450 million today? If he can’t increase in fourfold in 8 years, he’s not much of an African leader.

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip
    The national government controls bulk water supply. Thet have messed up countrywide, but - given opposition control and very major internal migration - have left the Western Cape exposed to drought. Not the fault of the local administration, then.

    South Africa has enormous water transfer schemes: the Lesotho Highlands Water Project is the biggest example, but there are others. However, Cape Town’s water supply is unique, because of its mountain-ringed geography: the dams that supply Cape Town are close to the city, making the crisis a much more local affair than it would be elswhere.

    Also, the Democratic Party (predecessor to the Democratic Alliance) pushed hardest for federalism in the South African constitution…and they have used their governance of the Western Cape to “own” the province. The mayor of Cape Town (who has an almost all white male cabinet) seems to have delayed augmentation schemes (the big cities generally augment their bulk water supplies with water abstracted from springs and other local sources). The DA government pushed for water conservation above all else, rather than seeking new supply.

    The Democratic Alliance, which, perhaps remarkably, won local government elections in 2016 in black-majority Johannesburg and Pretoria doesn’t seem to be much of a success in those places either (early days though, to be fair).

    DA apologists are contorting themselves into blaming the ANC, but their party was caught napping (and also was a victim of a freak weather event). The other favorite excuse- that black squatters are straining the water supply-is also a lie, considering that they have to share communal taps, and can only consume 3% of the total water supply.

    I expect that the current DA shenanigans to find a scapegoat for the water crisis, and its excuse-making is going to cost it dearly at the next national election (an election where it could have been the senior partner in a governing coalition).

  97. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: UN aid distribution is a cover for massive sexual exploitation.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/5562215/un-aid-workers-raped-60000-people-as-its-claimed-organisation-employs-3300-paedophiles/

    No wonder the left shrieks about the absolute necessity for foreign aid instead of leaving people in other countries alone. How else can the left get away with rape otherwise? They know they’d be charged in their home countries, so they try to do it elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    I don't think this is white leftists- the states for white on black rape in the US are zero. Well, except the pedophiles.
  98. @The Z Blog
    Political opposition to what?

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. The other thing she opposes is sanity. Her predecessor is an obese lesbian, member of the ANC and also an ethno-masochist. The guy before her was a Muslim ANC member.

    The people claiming to be "on the right side of history" for the last three decades have been firmly in charge for a long time and the results have been what was expected.

    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic…

    Considering that she wasted huge amounts of political capital defending colonialism on Twitter I’d say quite the opposite. Agree that she’s a loon though.

  99. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Shutting off the water taps isn’t the main problem. Anyone can buy bottled water. The problem is the choleria and the typhoid. Once it’s no longer possible to dispose of human bodily waste by flushing, blacks will just dump it in the streets. This will cause massive outbreaks of disease.

    Any sensible white should have emigrated from South Africa a long time ago.

  100. @anon
    Just spent 7 months in Cape Town and environs (working in healthcare), from my experience there is definitely not a crime problem. There are some no so nice areas of town but overall it’s safer than any American city of the same size or larger. The water thing is a mess but a drought that long really couldn’t be predicted. The Republic of South Africa is a success story and their healthcare system is 10x better than the USA or Canada (have workrd in both).

    Anon, sorry to be rude but are you nuts? SA’s health care is better than the US and Canada. Hope you don’t ever need to choose between, let’s say Sloan-Kettering, Boston Women and Children, the Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic or a RSA hospital. Not to mention all the great medical schools such as Cornell, Johns Hopkins, Harvard or Duke. I think you are suffering from a bad case of hyperbole….”10x better,” whatever.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It is nuts to compare SA's healthcare system with the best of the US. But the private healthcare is pretty good. Health insurance is expensive, but, if you have it, you would experience first-world standards of care. Even nurses are quite good in private hospitals (interestingly, many moonlight after working in government hospitals, and, transform from negligent killers to kind and attentive carers in private).

    As for the crime, SA is weird like that..most crime is in poor black areas..if you live in enough of a bubble, you'd be insulated from most of it. My biggest fear driving through the nicer parts of of Johannesburg at night was not a hijacker, but being taken out by another middle-class driver who was paranoid about hijackers, and saw fit to run a red traffic light...human beings are terrible at quantifying risks.
  101. @Ben Kurtz
    For Rhodesia, I'm actually partial to Ian Smith's memoirs -- published under the title The Great Betrayal. It's not an objective historian's account, but I found it strangely engrossing.

    Ben, thank you.

  102. @anon
    Just spent 7 months in Cape Town and environs (working in healthcare), from my experience there is definitely not a crime problem. There are some no so nice areas of town but overall it’s safer than any American city of the same size or larger. The water thing is a mess but a drought that long really couldn’t be predicted. The Republic of South Africa is a success story and their healthcare system is 10x better than the USA or Canada (have workrd in both).

    I didn’t realize there was a SAIDF.

  103. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mompara
    ArtDeco's assertion that public order in SA is somehow improved from 1994 is fallacious. Of course there is the fact that 1985-1994 was an extended civil war, but leave that aside for the moment. Most crimes that were routinely reported in 1994, and prior to then, are no longer reported. Moreover the police no longer record a large swathe of crime or have downgraded the classifications recorded.

    I know because I grew up there and still visit regularly. You need personal information to know what is actually going on. Simply use your eyes. Electric fences are now necessary in the southern suburbs of Cape Town. They were very rare in the early 1990s. In the early 199os I could walk up to the university late at night without blinking an eye. Now you can be abducted on campus in broad daylight. Private armed response cars are perched on corners everywhere, waiting for a call. Everybody you speak to has direct personal contact with violent crime.

    When your personal knowledge extends to more than one person directly known to you who has actually been murdered, usually brutally and with malice, do some simple extrapolation. Routine law breaking is a rampant epidemic that you can witness simply by driving on the roads. Ambassadors have been abducted and raped. Yes, read that again: ambassadors.

    By the way, by law the Western Cape government cannot supply bulk water. The City does share some of the blame in not cracking down harder on usage earlier. But the fundamental culprit is the completely inadequate level of capital investment. In truth there is no easy fix for that, given that the fiscal basis of the state is limited to a tiny fraction of the population---and the principal innovation of African Political Science is the use of the treasury as a personal piggy bank. The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind.

    The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind

    Squatters use 3% of the water supply. Turns out that one tap shared by dozens of people is pretty efficient. Not saying that they aren’t putting a strain on the education and public healthcare systems, but they don’t have much of a role on the water crisis.

    As for the rest, there’s some truth and some hyperbole there… the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing. SA is probably going to experience a Latin-American semi-homogenization, going forward.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It sounds like Cape Town got all environmentalist and didn't want to build new dams. Keep in mind the link between environmentalism and keeping out the riff-raff, like we see in Malibu and Santa Barbara, which have been loathe to invest in aqueduct infrastructure needed to support larger populations mostly because they don't want larger populations.
    , @Nico

    the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing.
     
    Unexpected and disappointing, maybe, but not really surprising in one sense. Exactly where has respect for the rules gotten them in the past 24 years? At some point the incentives to play fair just vanish.
  104. @Olorin
    Come now. SA Jews have so much in common with Boers. And are whites when it suits.


    As South Africa celebrates 21 years of freedom this week, the country's Jews are secure, prosperous, strongly Zionist – and surrogates for increasing criticism of Israel.

    Today's Jewish community is very different to that of the era of white rule. Back then, it was schizophrenic: Jews helped to maintain apartheid out of all proportion to their numbers because they were so significant in commerce and industry. At its crudest level, a Jewish factory owner who had trouble with his black workers – who had no legal right to strike – acted like other whites and summoned the police who beat a few heads and ended the problem. So apartheid served the factory owner. Jews were also highly prominent as judges, lawyers, academics and doctors. ...

    After over 120 years of existence in South Africa, [number of Jews] is down from its high point of 120,000 people and now numbers some 70,000, about 0.14 percent of the total population. It is overwhelmingly Litvak in origin and homogeneous and close-knit; many have turned inward, to religious Orthodoxy. It has efficient internal organs to look after its own and a network of Jewish day schools. It remains heavily Zionist, even though a minority, mainly among the young, challenges faith in Israel.

    Jews are not as prominent in national life as before. They no longer, for example, head huge chains of retail stores. Except Woolworths, linked with Britain's famed Marks&Spencer, which is a target of boycotts for stocking Israeli products, albeit a tiny amount. Woolworths refuses to buckle. But Jews are still at the forefront in fields like finance and health, and are significant contributors to the economy.

    ...As part of the fabric of South African society, Jews have benefited like everyone else from the good that came with the end of apartheid – and are caught up in the problems created by the corruption and cronyism, and resulting incompetence, which have grown into a monster under African National Congress rule.

    Like all South Africans, they suffer from the failing infrastructure, whether mass electricity outages or disastrous school and hospital standards, rampant crime or the anger of the have-nots robbed of their dream of a better life. Prosperity protects many Jews. But like a lot of other South Africans, especially whites, they worry about the future of their children.
     
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-s-african-jews-apologetic-abused-1.5357208

    Ah crap, I failed Post Formatting 101:

    Here, Jews are whites (the ones who use the police state to break heads):

    a Jewish factory owner who had trouble with his black workers – who had no legal right to strike – acted like other whites and summoned the police who beat a few heads and ended the problem. So apartheid served the factory owner.

    But in the next sentence, they’re Jews again.

    Jews were also highly prominent as judges, lawyers, academics and doctors. …

    Then in the last paragraph they’re Jews when they’re prosperous and secure…

    Prosperity protects many Jews.

    But after that they’re victims, and whites are Other.

    But like a lot of other South Africans, especially whites, they worry about the future of their children.

  105. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Was Cape Town ever a Boer city? I thought they had always been under control of the British, originally part of Britain’s Cape Colony. The Boer nation of Transvaal was farther inland and to the East.

    The Dutch East India Company sent Jan van Riebeeck to the Cape in 1652 to establish a way-station, and the Dutch remained in charge until 1795, when Britain took over. It was returned to the Dutch in 1803, but then the Brits kicked them out permanently in 1806. The Great Trek, which took my Dutch (and French Huguenot) ancestors to the Transvaal and the Vrystaat, first got going in the 1830s. Boer cities like Pretoria were only founded in the 1850s.

  106. @Simon Tugmutton
    See also:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-09/the-brothers-who-bought-south-africa

    Nice aerial shot of “The Gupta compound in Saxonwold.”

    What do they do on the right there, play People Chess like in The Village?

  107. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, sorry to be rude but are you nuts? SA's health care is better than the US and Canada. Hope you don't ever need to choose between, let's say Sloan-Kettering, Boston Women and Children, the Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic or a RSA hospital. Not to mention all the great medical schools such as Cornell, Johns Hopkins, Harvard or Duke. I think you are suffering from a bad case of hyperbole...."10x better," whatever.

    It is nuts to compare SA’s healthcare system with the best of the US. But the private healthcare is pretty good. Health insurance is expensive, but, if you have it, you would experience first-world standards of care. Even nurses are quite good in private hospitals (interestingly, many moonlight after working in government hospitals, and, transform from negligent killers to kind and attentive carers in private).

    As for the crime, SA is weird like that..most crime is in poor black areas..if you live in enough of a bubble, you’d be insulated from most of it. My biggest fear driving through the nicer parts of of Johannesburg at night was not a hijacker, but being taken out by another middle-class driver who was paranoid about hijackers, and saw fit to run a red traffic light…human beings are terrible at quantifying risks.

    • Replies: @J.Ross

    if you live in enough of a bubble, you'll be insulated from [South African crime]
     
    Brazil The Model.
    Tell it to the farmers. The bubble-dwellers are accessories, facilitating crimes against their own people and former nation. Bringing the Boer here means safety now, speeding collapse of the current mess, and reconquest later. Keeping things going means that Brazil becomes Mexico and there aren't really any truly "safe" areas, but that's okay, because we just won't talk about that.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, well paid nurses, as in the US, don't need to moonlight. And even shithole US cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland and Chicago have Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic and U of Chicago Medical Center.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, "Nuts to compare RSA system to the best of the US." Buffalo is ranked as the third poorest city in the US, but we have the U at Buffalo Medical School ,Roswell Park Cancer Center and Oshei Women and Children Hospital. All are first rate if not world class. Canadians come to Buffalo for medical care. Remember, third poorest city in USA.
  108. @NickG
    From my perspective, and those of my cohorts here in Pretoria - it's good that Zuma is gone.

    Cyril Ramaphosa is far cleverer. Though the ANC is rotten through. It's a kleptocracy.

    South Africa- as a country blessed with great natural beauty rich in resources, and with a developing economy, with basically good infrastructure - should easily be achieving annualised GDP growth of 5%. This is being achieved up in Uganda. Neighbouring Botswana is growing at about 4% pa.

    The fact that South Africa isn't - is essentially flatlinging - is down to widespread incompetence - underpinned by draconian affirmative action, endemic corruption, bad optics and stupid comments about land confiscation and nationalisation keeping away inward investment, the backdrop of violent crime, all resulting in a brain drain of white talent.

    We shall see weather Ramaphosa can lift SA out of it's downward spiral. I'm hopeful but sceptical.

    We shall see weather Ramaphosa can lift SA out of it’s downward spiral. I’m hopeful but sceptical.

    I’m doubtful. People want the white man’s stuff today. The idea typically advanced by leaders of Third World independence movements was that the only reason Europeans were rich and Third Worlders were poor was – Europeans got rich stealing from them. Once they became independent, and the theft stopped, Third Worlders would become rich and Europeans poor. Of course, many decades later, Europeans are still rich and Third Worlders, with some exceptions, remain poor, so the explanations have changed, to the effect that the accumulation of many decades of looting can’t be undone in mere years (and, in time, mere decades or mere centuries). Whatever the truth, the important thing is to right the wrongs of the past. That means seizing whitey’s stuff today.

  109. @Olorin
    Come now. SA Jews have so much in common with Boers. And are whites when it suits.


    As South Africa celebrates 21 years of freedom this week, the country's Jews are secure, prosperous, strongly Zionist – and surrogates for increasing criticism of Israel.

    Today's Jewish community is very different to that of the era of white rule. Back then, it was schizophrenic: Jews helped to maintain apartheid out of all proportion to their numbers because they were so significant in commerce and industry. At its crudest level, a Jewish factory owner who had trouble with his black workers – who had no legal right to strike – acted like other whites and summoned the police who beat a few heads and ended the problem. So apartheid served the factory owner. Jews were also highly prominent as judges, lawyers, academics and doctors. ...

    After over 120 years of existence in South Africa, [number of Jews] is down from its high point of 120,000 people and now numbers some 70,000, about 0.14 percent of the total population. It is overwhelmingly Litvak in origin and homogeneous and close-knit; many have turned inward, to religious Orthodoxy. It has efficient internal organs to look after its own and a network of Jewish day schools. It remains heavily Zionist, even though a minority, mainly among the young, challenges faith in Israel.

    Jews are not as prominent in national life as before. They no longer, for example, head huge chains of retail stores. Except Woolworths, linked with Britain's famed Marks&Spencer, which is a target of boycotts for stocking Israeli products, albeit a tiny amount. Woolworths refuses to buckle. But Jews are still at the forefront in fields like finance and health, and are significant contributors to the economy.

    ...As part of the fabric of South African society, Jews have benefited like everyone else from the good that came with the end of apartheid – and are caught up in the problems created by the corruption and cronyism, and resulting incompetence, which have grown into a monster under African National Congress rule.

    Like all South Africans, they suffer from the failing infrastructure, whether mass electricity outages or disastrous school and hospital standards, rampant crime or the anger of the have-nots robbed of their dream of a better life. Prosperity protects many Jews. But like a lot of other South Africans, especially whites, they worry about the future of their children.
     
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-s-african-jews-apologetic-abused-1.5357208

    IIRC many of the ANC’s “high command” were Jewish, in the “armed struggle”, church-bombing days.

  110. @Anon
    OT: UN aid distribution is a cover for massive sexual exploitation.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/5562215/un-aid-workers-raped-60000-people-as-its-claimed-organisation-employs-3300-paedophiles/

    No wonder the left shrieks about the absolute necessity for foreign aid instead of leaving people in other countries alone. How else can the left get away with rape otherwise? They know they'd be charged in their home countries, so they try to do it elsewhere.

    I don’t think this is white leftists- the states for white on black rape in the US are zero. Well, except the pedophiles.

  111. @Anonymous

    The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind
     
    Squatters use 3% of the water supply. Turns out that one tap shared by dozens of people is pretty efficient. Not saying that they aren't putting a strain on the education and public healthcare systems, but they don't have much of a role on the water crisis.

    As for the rest, there's some truth and some hyperbole there... the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing. SA is probably going to experience a Latin-American semi-homogenization, going forward.

    It sounds like Cape Town got all environmentalist and didn’t want to build new dams. Keep in mind the link between environmentalism and keeping out the riff-raff, like we see in Malibu and Santa Barbara, which have been loathe to invest in aqueduct infrastructure needed to support larger populations mostly because they don’t want larger populations.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, ah yes, the environmentalists and water. San Francisco mandated "Low Flush toilets" and then spent millions flushing out the city's sewer lines.
  112. @Buffalo Joe
    Can anyone recommend a good read about South Africa and Rhodesia? I read "King Leopold's Ghost" coupled with Joseph Conrad's "The Heart of Darkness" to learn about the Belgium Congo. "Fatal Shore" was a great book about the founding of Australia. Suggestions please.

    The Covenant by James Michener

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Flip, Thank you.
  113. @Thea
    Very shortly after the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe. Could there be a connection?

    Yes. There are profound connections.
    Chief among them was changing US foreign policy. South Africa had hitherto been useful to the Cold War effort as a regional power in proxy wars against Soviets places like Angola. With the End Of History, South Africa was dispensable and indeed a prime candidate for regime change. Clinton, who bombed Belgrade with gay abandon, may have targeted Pretoria had the Boers not gone along.
    Ironically, Mandela won the 1994 elections as leader of the ANC/SACP alliance – so one bright spot for the Communists in an otherwise bleak decade.

  114. @Buffalo Joe
    Barnard, California gets water from other states, and great snow melt run off and lets it flow to the sea, when they could capture it with dams and reservoirs. Michigan has the city of Flint with Third World level lead in the drinking water. Forget diamonds and gold, nothing is more precious than water.

    Michigan has excellent drinking water because it’s surrounded by the Great Lakes and has numerous aquifers. Flint screwed that up for obvious but media-unmentionable reasons.

  115. @Anonymous
    It is nuts to compare SA's healthcare system with the best of the US. But the private healthcare is pretty good. Health insurance is expensive, but, if you have it, you would experience first-world standards of care. Even nurses are quite good in private hospitals (interestingly, many moonlight after working in government hospitals, and, transform from negligent killers to kind and attentive carers in private).

    As for the crime, SA is weird like that..most crime is in poor black areas..if you live in enough of a bubble, you'd be insulated from most of it. My biggest fear driving through the nicer parts of of Johannesburg at night was not a hijacker, but being taken out by another middle-class driver who was paranoid about hijackers, and saw fit to run a red traffic light...human beings are terrible at quantifying risks.

    if you live in enough of a bubble, you’ll be insulated from [South African crime]

    Brazil The Model.
    Tell it to the farmers. The bubble-dwellers are accessories, facilitating crimes against their own people and former nation. Bringing the Boer here means safety now, speeding collapse of the current mess, and reconquest later. Keeping things going means that Brazil becomes Mexico and there aren’t really any truly “safe” areas, but that’s okay, because we just won’t talk about that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I know Afrikaneers.

    They don't like the alt-right movement and have little sympathy for their fellow "whites." You'll be mistaken if you think they are pro-rightist.
    , @Anonymous
    The Boer farmers drink too much of their own Kool-Aid. Crop yields in SA are poor in comparison to the first-world, and despite Afrikaners romanticizing their links to the soil, they aren't particularly interested in agribusiness, and farms are inherited by the dullest brother in most families (game farming may be different, but it doesn't feed a population).

    Of course white SA farmers look good in comparison to the unschooled morons who benefit from land distribution, and the land-looters of Zimbabwe.

    As for the Boer genocide spiel, it wouldn't surprise me if dullard farmers do abuse their black farmworkers, and get the expected comeuppance, African style (savage brutality and violence).
  116. @neutral

    But don’t ask me who are the main conspirators in South Africa.
     
    South Africa is essentially a one party state, the ANC is so dominant that winning the elections are a mere formality, thus the only politics that really matters is the internal ANC party politics. The ANC consists of various factions competing for power, the previous president was also ousted before elections took place. In the case of Zuma, he was so blatantly corrupt that even those in the generally corrupt party could not ignore this any longer.

    This will also describe the Democratic Party when the U.S. reaches a nonwhite majority.

  117. @J.Ross

    if you live in enough of a bubble, you'll be insulated from [South African crime]
     
    Brazil The Model.
    Tell it to the farmers. The bubble-dwellers are accessories, facilitating crimes against their own people and former nation. Bringing the Boer here means safety now, speeding collapse of the current mess, and reconquest later. Keeping things going means that Brazil becomes Mexico and there aren't really any truly "safe" areas, but that's okay, because we just won't talk about that.

    I know Afrikaneers.

    They don’t like the alt-right movement and have little sympathy for their fellow “whites.” You’ll be mistaken if you think they are pro-rightist.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Which is probably why I neither said nor implied anything of the kind in a comment about getting people into the US. The Afrikaners I talk to insist that they will be able to keep themselves safe on purely racial-supremacist grounds, one of them being worth twenty or fifty or whatever of the other team. I am not a mathematical person but I try telling them that there are probably more Africans than that. They don't care, they want to die.
    >that "reconquest" line
    Yeah, that's happening, so's the collapse, and neither of us have anything to say about it. It can be our kids or it can be future Chinese. It's not going to be a more ethical version of Zuma.
    , @L Woods
    This has been my impression as well. They’re suicidally stubborn and really quite delusional, sad to say. They’re a little like the alt-right actually, however little they may think of it.
  118. @Anonymous
    It is nuts to compare SA's healthcare system with the best of the US. But the private healthcare is pretty good. Health insurance is expensive, but, if you have it, you would experience first-world standards of care. Even nurses are quite good in private hospitals (interestingly, many moonlight after working in government hospitals, and, transform from negligent killers to kind and attentive carers in private).

    As for the crime, SA is weird like that..most crime is in poor black areas..if you live in enough of a bubble, you'd be insulated from most of it. My biggest fear driving through the nicer parts of of Johannesburg at night was not a hijacker, but being taken out by another middle-class driver who was paranoid about hijackers, and saw fit to run a red traffic light...human beings are terrible at quantifying risks.

    Anonymous, well paid nurses, as in the US, don’t need to moonlight. And even shithole US cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland and Chicago have Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic and U of Chicago Medical Center.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    South African government-employed nurses don't need to moonlight to survive. Government employees in SA do pretty well for themselves. They do it because it's financially lucrative.
  119. @Flip
    The Covenant by James Michener

    Flip, Thank you.

  120. “what was the population at the height of previous dry spells? I cannot find a 1935 number but in 1946 it was 383,000 having trebled since the turn of the century. By 1973 it was 1.2 million rising ro 2.9 million by 2005 and today it is 3.8 million. In other words demand for water has rocketed.”

    It sounds as if Cape Town’s problems are related to iSteve’s most important graph in the world.

    source:
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/13/cape-towns-drought/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Cape Town is mostly run by white people. They have responded to the threat of their paradise being overrun by nonwhite masses the way white people in Malibu and Santa Barbara have: by investing far less in water infrastructure than they can afford in order to have an environmentalist justification for keeping the masses out.
  121. @Anonymous
    It is nuts to compare SA's healthcare system with the best of the US. But the private healthcare is pretty good. Health insurance is expensive, but, if you have it, you would experience first-world standards of care. Even nurses are quite good in private hospitals (interestingly, many moonlight after working in government hospitals, and, transform from negligent killers to kind and attentive carers in private).

    As for the crime, SA is weird like that..most crime is in poor black areas..if you live in enough of a bubble, you'd be insulated from most of it. My biggest fear driving through the nicer parts of of Johannesburg at night was not a hijacker, but being taken out by another middle-class driver who was paranoid about hijackers, and saw fit to run a red traffic light...human beings are terrible at quantifying risks.

    Anonymous, “Nuts to compare RSA system to the best of the US.” Buffalo is ranked as the third poorest city in the US, but we have the U at Buffalo Medical School ,Roswell Park Cancer Center and Oshei Women and Children Hospital. All are first rate if not world class. Canadians come to Buffalo for medical care. Remember, third poorest city in USA.

  122. @Steve Sailer
    It sounds like Cape Town got all environmentalist and didn't want to build new dams. Keep in mind the link between environmentalism and keeping out the riff-raff, like we see in Malibu and Santa Barbara, which have been loathe to invest in aqueduct infrastructure needed to support larger populations mostly because they don't want larger populations.

    Steve, ah yes, the environmentalists and water. San Francisco mandated “Low Flush toilets” and then spent millions flushing out the city’s sewer lines.

  123. @dearieme
    "what was the population at the height of previous dry spells? I cannot find a 1935 number but in 1946 it was 383,000 having trebled since the turn of the century. By 1973 it was 1.2 million rising ro 2.9 million by 2005 and today it is 3.8 million. In other words demand for water has rocketed."

    It sounds as if Cape Town's problems are related to iSteve's most important graph in the world.

    source:
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018/02/13/cape-towns-drought/

    Cape Town is mostly run by white people. They have responded to the threat of their paradise being overrun by nonwhite masses the way white people in Malibu and Santa Barbara have: by investing far less in water infrastructure than they can afford in order to have an environmentalist justification for keeping the masses out.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    But they haven't kept the masses out, have they? 3.8 million!
  124. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip
    The national government controls bulk water supply. Thet have messed up countrywide, but - given opposition control and very major internal migration - have left the Western Cape exposed to drought. Not the fault of the local administration, then.

    DA apologists are falling over themselves to defend their party. Cape Town’s water supply is very local, unlike the rest of SA where water has to be transferred vast distances between river basins and pumped uphill. Also, internal migrants aka squatters use a minuscule amount of water (3%) because there isn’t infrastructure for them to use more. The Western Cape and Cape Town governments could have augmented the bulk supply with spring abstraction, sewerage reclamation, and desalination, but were caught napping, and assumed that water conservation would save them (EDIT: or perhaps Steve’s theory about them deliberately under-investing in water makes more sense).

    Even white governments make mistakes, though perhaps at a lower rate than black ones.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Santa Barbara, which is one of the richest places in the U.S. outside of Northern California, periodically runs out of water.
  125. @Lot
    Peter Thiel moving his businesses to LA, specifically the same Hollywood centered little section of the LA area that is also home to Steve, Breitbart, Kaus, Ben Shapiro, and some local LA conservatives Steve used to post about more. I think Coulter spends about half her time there too, but might be off.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-peter-thiel-20180215-story.html

    Really I don't get why you all don't just complete the trip south down to OC or San Diego.

    North San Diego County is rock solid GOP and represented by Duncan Hunter, first member of the House to endorse DJT for President. San Diego is the largest city in America not to declare itself a "sanctuary" and SD County is likewise the largest county.

    Really I don’t get why you all don’t just complete the trip south down to OC or San Diego.
    North San Diego County is rock solid GOP and represented by Duncan Hunter, first member of the House to endorse DJT for President. San Diego is the largest city in America not to declare itself a “sanctuary” and SD County is likewise the largest county.

    It’s not vibrant. Steve wants to live somewhere “vibrant”.

    Seriously Lot, my best friend lives there, enjoy visiting, weather’s great … but it’s doomed as well. The Mexican invasion continues apace–up over 30% now. San Diego County was only 50% and change non-Hispanic white in the 2010 census. Must be under 50% now. It’s a generation or so behind Los Angeles but the trajectory is similar.

    You either have a border or you don’t. We don’t.

  126. @Antonius
    Zuma makes the Devil look like a scholar and a gentleman.

    The Devil is a gentleman and a scholar

  127. @Anonymous
    DA apologists are falling over themselves to defend their party. Cape Town's water supply is very local, unlike the rest of SA where water has to be transferred vast distances between river basins and pumped uphill. Also, internal migrants aka squatters use a minuscule amount of water (3%) because there isn't infrastructure for them to use more. The Western Cape and Cape Town governments could have augmented the bulk supply with spring abstraction, sewerage reclamation, and desalination, but were caught napping, and assumed that water conservation would save them (EDIT: or perhaps Steve's theory about them deliberately under-investing in water makes more sense).

    Even white governments make mistakes, though perhaps at a lower rate than black ones.

    Santa Barbara, which is one of the richest places in the U.S. outside of Northern California, periodically runs out of water.

  128. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    if you live in enough of a bubble, you'll be insulated from [South African crime]
     
    Brazil The Model.
    Tell it to the farmers. The bubble-dwellers are accessories, facilitating crimes against their own people and former nation. Bringing the Boer here means safety now, speeding collapse of the current mess, and reconquest later. Keeping things going means that Brazil becomes Mexico and there aren't really any truly "safe" areas, but that's okay, because we just won't talk about that.

    The Boer farmers drink too much of their own Kool-Aid. Crop yields in SA are poor in comparison to the first-world, and despite Afrikaners romanticizing their links to the soil, they aren’t particularly interested in agribusiness, and farms are inherited by the dullest brother in most families (game farming may be different, but it doesn’t feed a population).

    Of course white SA farmers look good in comparison to the unschooled morons who benefit from land distribution, and the land-looters of Zimbabwe.

    As for the Boer genocide spiel, it wouldn’t surprise me if dullard farmers do abuse their black farmworkers, and get the expected comeuppance, African style (savage brutality and violence).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    So that one lady deserved to be literally crucified because she's a horrible boss. And the guy with his head in a wood vice. And the government equipment to jam cell phones, that's just lying around the veldt. Okay. I hope people remember this sort of argument ten years from now.
    , @Anonymous
    Why do the Boers rely on black workers? Why can't they dig their own fields?
  129. @Buffalo Joe
    Can anyone recommend a good read about South Africa and Rhodesia? I read "King Leopold's Ghost" coupled with Joseph Conrad's "The Heart of Darkness" to learn about the Belgium Congo. "Fatal Shore" was a great book about the founding of Australia. Suggestions please.

    Joe, “How Long Will South Africa Survive” by RW Johnson is an excellent overview of the ANC’s disastrous rule, by a former liberal who’s had the blinders lifted from his eyes.

    Best line from the book (paraphrasing): Nothing that the liberal do-gooders promised would result from “liberation” has happened, while everything the racists said would happen, has.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    jeppo, Thank you
  130. @Anonymous
    I know Afrikaneers.

    They don't like the alt-right movement and have little sympathy for their fellow "whites." You'll be mistaken if you think they are pro-rightist.

    Which is probably why I neither said nor implied anything of the kind in a comment about getting people into the US. The Afrikaners I talk to insist that they will be able to keep themselves safe on purely racial-supremacist grounds, one of them being worth twenty or fifty or whatever of the other team. I am not a mathematical person but I try telling them that there are probably more Africans than that. They don’t care, they want to die.
    >that “reconquest” line
    Yeah, that’s happening, so’s the collapse, and neither of us have anything to say about it. It can be our kids or it can be future Chinese. It’s not going to be a more ethical version of Zuma.

  131. Ramaphosa’s current wife (sister of a billionaire black mining magnate) seems to be an example 0f Bantu-Khoisan admixture, assuming there isn’t more recent mixed-race ancestry there.

  132. @Mompara
    ArtDeco's assertion that public order in SA is somehow improved from 1994 is fallacious. Of course there is the fact that 1985-1994 was an extended civil war, but leave that aside for the moment. Most crimes that were routinely reported in 1994, and prior to then, are no longer reported. Moreover the police no longer record a large swathe of crime or have downgraded the classifications recorded.

    I know because I grew up there and still visit regularly. You need personal information to know what is actually going on. Simply use your eyes. Electric fences are now necessary in the southern suburbs of Cape Town. They were very rare in the early 1990s. In the early 199os I could walk up to the university late at night without blinking an eye. Now you can be abducted on campus in broad daylight. Private armed response cars are perched on corners everywhere, waiting for a call. Everybody you speak to has direct personal contact with violent crime.

    When your personal knowledge extends to more than one person directly known to you who has actually been murdered, usually brutally and with malice, do some simple extrapolation. Routine law breaking is a rampant epidemic that you can witness simply by driving on the roads. Ambassadors have been abducted and raped. Yes, read that again: ambassadors.

    By the way, by law the Western Cape government cannot supply bulk water. The City does share some of the blame in not cracking down harder on usage earlier. But the fundamental culprit is the completely inadequate level of capital investment. In truth there is no easy fix for that, given that the fiscal basis of the state is limited to a tiny fraction of the population---and the principal innovation of African Political Science is the use of the treasury as a personal piggy bank. The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind.

    Good post. As I am sure you are aware, I’ll just add that at some point South Africa quite conveniently stopped collecting crime statistics by race, so its practically impossible to get a true picture of what is happening.

    I did find this 2009 research paper that uses 2001 data to conclude that the burden of crime falls on the black population. I’m skeptical about this in many ways, the age of the data notwithstanding. I highly suspect the number of whites in South Africa is over-estimated (due to white flight) and the number of blacks is under-estimated (due to inward migration). Add to this a political willingness to supress the data and an organised pogrom against whites and its easy to see why the numbers are hard to find and the available statistics are dubious.

    https://oldsite.issafrica.org/uploads/CQ30SILBER.PDF

  133. @Anonymous
    The Boer farmers drink too much of their own Kool-Aid. Crop yields in SA are poor in comparison to the first-world, and despite Afrikaners romanticizing their links to the soil, they aren't particularly interested in agribusiness, and farms are inherited by the dullest brother in most families (game farming may be different, but it doesn't feed a population).

    Of course white SA farmers look good in comparison to the unschooled morons who benefit from land distribution, and the land-looters of Zimbabwe.

    As for the Boer genocide spiel, it wouldn't surprise me if dullard farmers do abuse their black farmworkers, and get the expected comeuppance, African style (savage brutality and violence).

    So that one lady deserved to be literally crucified because she’s a horrible boss. And the guy with his head in a wood vice. And the government equipment to jam cell phones, that’s just lying around the veldt. Okay. I hope people remember this sort of argument ten years from now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I used the words "savage" and "brutal".

    But the evidence of an orchestrated genocide- rather than orgiastic African violence in response to labour disputes, along with standard criminality- is rather thin.
  134. @Buffalo Joe
    Anonymous, well paid nurses, as in the US, don't need to moonlight. And even shithole US cities such as Baltimore, Cleveland and Chicago have Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic and U of Chicago Medical Center.

    South African government-employed nurses don’t need to moonlight to survive. Government employees in SA do pretty well for themselves. They do it because it’s financially lucrative.

  135. @Buffalo Joe
    Can anyone recommend a good read about South Africa and Rhodesia? I read "King Leopold's Ghost" coupled with Joseph Conrad's "The Heart of Darkness" to learn about the Belgium Congo. "Fatal Shore" was a great book about the founding of Australia. Suggestions please.

    Four white South African authors…

    Alan Paton: Cry, the Beloved Country.

    Andre Brink: An Instant in the Wind and A Dry White Season.

    Nadine Gordimer: Burger’s Daughter and July’s People.
    Six Feet of the Country is a collecton of six of her best short stories.

    Doris Lessing: The Black Madonna – six short stories.
    A teacher colleague of mine thought “A Sunrise on the Veldt”, in this collection, was the best short story he had ever read.

    Maybe try Brink and Gordimer first?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    English, Thank you.
  136. @J.Ross
    So that one lady deserved to be literally crucified because she's a horrible boss. And the guy with his head in a wood vice. And the government equipment to jam cell phones, that's just lying around the veldt. Okay. I hope people remember this sort of argument ten years from now.

    I used the words “savage” and “brutal”.

    But the evidence of an orchestrated genocide- rather than orgiastic African violence in response to labour disputes, along with standard criminality- is rather thin.

    • Replies: @J.Ross

    I used the words “savage” and “brutal”.
     
    What you did was to use the same pseudo-subtle triumphalist threat, a style that is all over mass media. You did the same thing we see in American History X where the neo-Nazi violence is evil and the black violence is cool. You think you're clever (you can't accuse me of that, I covered my tracks) but everyone who is brought to see this never gets fooled by it again.

    But the evidence of an orchestrated genocide
     
    Is in interviews with government employees and in the use of government equipment, and in the record of how this land is handled once its rightful owners have been removed.

    in response to labour disputes, along with standard criminality
     
    Why do you see this as an argument? What is this supposed to mean? Are you granting that blacks are massively and explosively violent and cannot live around whites without shocking criminal violence?

    is rather thin.
     
    If there was a wall of bodies you would say there should be more, and after it's successful you'll say there never were all that many farmers out there anyway.
    , @Anonymous
    I don't believe it's orchestrated either. But this talk of work disputes is ridiculous. Everyone in SA is at considerable risk of dying a painful and bloody death in their own home, whether they have employees or not. It's just worse for those on farms out in the boonies.

    Even if you don't know anything about South Africa, just look at its crime stats. That's a whole lot of work disputes being worked out... or, y'know, your average SA crim doesn't actually require all that much motivation, work-related or not, for "orgiastic violence". TIA, as they say.
  137. @Anonymous
    The Boer farmers drink too much of their own Kool-Aid. Crop yields in SA are poor in comparison to the first-world, and despite Afrikaners romanticizing their links to the soil, they aren't particularly interested in agribusiness, and farms are inherited by the dullest brother in most families (game farming may be different, but it doesn't feed a population).

    Of course white SA farmers look good in comparison to the unschooled morons who benefit from land distribution, and the land-looters of Zimbabwe.

    As for the Boer genocide spiel, it wouldn't surprise me if dullard farmers do abuse their black farmworkers, and get the expected comeuppance, African style (savage brutality and violence).

    Why do the Boers rely on black workers? Why can’t they dig their own fields?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They had a cheap supply of black labour, and little incentive to invest in automation, especially after the 1913 Natives Land Act was passed. Also centuries of power, including the ability to get black prisoners (often arrested for minor offences around harvest time) to work on their farms.

    Look up the Bethal potato boycott, for an example of how 1950's white farmers (many Jewish) exploited black prisoners. For some reason it doesn't get the coverage in the history books it should, although it was bad enough that the apartheid National Party government ended up instituting an official enquiry.

    It's the same sort of thinking that's replicated in the cities by middle-class South Africans who despise their black maids, "garden boys" and nannies, and (correctly) view them as a security threat, but simultaneously, can't live without them.

    , @snorlax
    Under their "black economic empowerment" laws it's illegal not to hire blacks.
  138. @Art Deco
    The current premier of the Western Cape is an ethno-masochistic loon. T


    No, you're a frothing-at-the-mouth buffoon and confuse normal politicians with loons.

    Na-na-na-na-na-na!

  139. @Anonymous
    I know Afrikaneers.

    They don't like the alt-right movement and have little sympathy for their fellow "whites." You'll be mistaken if you think they are pro-rightist.

    This has been my impression as well. They’re suicidally stubborn and really quite delusional, sad to say. They’re a little like the alt-right actually, however little they may think of it.

  140. @englishmike
    Four white South African authors...

    Alan Paton: Cry, the Beloved Country.

    Andre Brink: An Instant in the Wind and A Dry White Season.

    Nadine Gordimer: Burger's Daughter and July's People.
    Six Feet of the Country is a collecton of six of her best short stories.

    Doris Lessing: The Black Madonna - six short stories.
    A teacher colleague of mine thought "A Sunrise on the Veldt", in this collection, was the best short story he had ever read.

    Maybe try Brink and Gordimer first?

    English, Thank you.

  141. @jeppo
    Joe, "How Long Will South Africa Survive" by RW Johnson is an excellent overview of the ANC's disastrous rule, by a former liberal who's had the blinders lifted from his eyes.

    Best line from the book (paraphrasing): Nothing that the liberal do-gooders promised would result from "liberation" has happened, while everything the racists said would happen, has.

    jeppo, Thank you

  142. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Why do the Boers rely on black workers? Why can't they dig their own fields?

    They had a cheap supply of black labour, and little incentive to invest in automation, especially after the 1913 Natives Land Act was passed. Also centuries of power, including the ability to get black prisoners (often arrested for minor offences around harvest time) to work on their farms.

    Look up the Bethal potato boycott, for an example of how 1950’s white farmers (many Jewish) exploited black prisoners. For some reason it doesn’t get the coverage in the history books it should, although it was bad enough that the apartheid National Party government ended up instituting an official enquiry.

    It’s the same sort of thinking that’s replicated in the cities by middle-class South Africans who despise their black maids, “garden boys” and nannies, and (correctly) view them as a security threat, but simultaneously, can’t live without them.

  143. @Anonymous
    Why do the Boers rely on black workers? Why can't they dig their own fields?

    Under their “black economic empowerment” laws it’s illegal not to hire blacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They've been hiring black farmworkers for centuries, because they're cheap and available. Nothing to do with Black Economic Empowerment. The beneficiaries of BEE prefer sitting in air conditioned offices in big cities anyway.
  144. @Anonymous
    I used the words "savage" and "brutal".

    But the evidence of an orchestrated genocide- rather than orgiastic African violence in response to labour disputes, along with standard criminality- is rather thin.

    I used the words “savage” and “brutal”.

    What you did was to use the same pseudo-subtle triumphalist threat, a style that is all over mass media. You did the same thing we see in American History X where the neo-Nazi violence is evil and the black violence is cool. You think you’re clever (you can’t accuse me of that, I covered my tracks) but everyone who is brought to see this never gets fooled by it again.

    But the evidence of an orchestrated genocide

    Is in interviews with government employees and in the use of government equipment, and in the record of how this land is handled once its rightful owners have been removed.

    in response to labour disputes, along with standard criminality

    Why do you see this as an argument? What is this supposed to mean? Are you granting that blacks are massively and explosively violent and cannot live around whites without shocking criminal violence?

    is rather thin.

    If there was a wall of bodies you would say there should be more, and after it’s successful you’ll say there never were all that many farmers out there anyway.

  145. @snorlax
    Under their "black economic empowerment" laws it's illegal not to hire blacks.

    They’ve been hiring black farmworkers for centuries, because they’re cheap and available. Nothing to do with Black Economic Empowerment. The beneficiaries of BEE prefer sitting in air conditioned offices in big cities anyway.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There's the problem right there. (And the lesson applies to other countries besides SA.) These people need to decide which is more important to them: "cheap" workers or not being murdered in their beds.
  146. This nonsense is back in the news. Asians are left out of the people of color alliance.

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  147. @Jake
    Rhodesia was always expendable. The South African mines had to be protected for the billionaire and multi-millionaire investors. The white farmers, small merchants, clerks, teachers, etc. literally mattered nothing, no matter how many ultimately would be killed and/or raped, much less how many would be impoverished.

    The old time most Elite WASPs of the British Empire already had booted Rhodesia and South Africa from the Commonwealth. They, like principal WASP Father Oliver Cromwell, despised most white Gentiles. Once the new most powerful WASPs, Americans, decided they wanted Rhodesia and South Africa to receive the many blessings of black rule, the jig was up. The Yank WASP Empire would utterly destroy both nations to force them to black rule.

    The big catch was Israel and Jewish investors in South Africa. Once they were assured they would not lose money, they agreed.

    The big catch was Israel and Jewish investors in South Africa. Once they were assured they would not lose money, they agreed.

    Probably the completion of H-bomb testing by Israel was the most important issue.

  148. @Thea
    Very shortly after the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe. Could there be a connection?

    If so, the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe also must have been planned. Perhaps there is black book with the plan for Eastern Europe and the timetable.

  149. @Ben Kurtz
    I don't see how I was apportioning responsibility, except to the extent of assigning it to the governing authorities in South Africa generally... and noting that the National Party (in power from 1948 to 1994) is no longer in charge. I could care less if the loons of the Democratic Alliance or the goons of the ANC are more responsible for this mess.

    As far as "losing ground economically when compared to the United States," I don't understand what you mean by that statement. In 2016, SA has a per capita GDP of around $12,000 (constant dollar, PPP); the U.S. is in excess of four times that. The comparison is meaningless.

    Can you name a single major U.S. city that declared that it would shut off its taps in a few months because it was about to run out of drinking water?

    As far as “losing ground economically when compared to the United States,” I don’t understand what you mean by that statement. I

    Over the period running from 1924 to 1975, the ratio of South Africa’s per capita product to that of the United States bounced around a set point of 0.325. Some years it was a tad better, some a tad worse, but there was no secular trend in the value of this metric. From 1975 to 1999, it declined to about 0.183. Since 1999, it has increased to 0.225, i.e. South Africa’s per capita product has grown slightly faster than that of the U.S. over that time period. It’s not losing ground in a relative sense.

  150. @J.Ross
    Do you accept the official crime rates? Do you think crime has gone down because the police have gotten more effective?

    The comparative homicide rates are incorporated into World Development Indicators. I think the South African Institute of Race Relations publishes numbers. Just make up your own numbers if that’ll help you feel better.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >The South African Race Relations thing
    Yeah that sounds like a rigorously honest and completely apolitical thing. Our crime stats are collected by the FBI from local police departments and theirs come from a Race Relations board?
  151. @J.Ross
    Post-Apartheid South Africa is a one-party state. Ilana Mercer has an description in her Into The Cannibal's Pot of how when they rewrote the constitution they set it up so that it is effectively impossible to defeat or supplant the ANC. Other (ethnically) African groups complained at the time and proposed more democratic alternatives; they were rejected by the ANC, which is to say, by the state. The only real way around this short of a new constitution is the parry suffering sustained, impossibly massive, widespread unpopularity -- hence the Chinese opera of removing a high official long known to be corrupt once he gets ridiculous enough to possibly damage the party's basic popularity.

    Post-Apartheid South Africa is a one-party state. I

    The term ‘one-party state’ does not mean what you think it means.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    You think I meant to say "effectively." Read what I wrote and then read what she wrote. The ANC governs, period, per the current constitution.
  152. @Mompara
    ArtDeco's assertion that public order in SA is somehow improved from 1994 is fallacious. Of course there is the fact that 1985-1994 was an extended civil war, but leave that aside for the moment. Most crimes that were routinely reported in 1994, and prior to then, are no longer reported. Moreover the police no longer record a large swathe of crime or have downgraded the classifications recorded.

    I know because I grew up there and still visit regularly. You need personal information to know what is actually going on. Simply use your eyes. Electric fences are now necessary in the southern suburbs of Cape Town. They were very rare in the early 1990s. In the early 199os I could walk up to the university late at night without blinking an eye. Now you can be abducted on campus in broad daylight. Private armed response cars are perched on corners everywhere, waiting for a call. Everybody you speak to has direct personal contact with violent crime.

    When your personal knowledge extends to more than one person directly known to you who has actually been murdered, usually brutally and with malice, do some simple extrapolation. Routine law breaking is a rampant epidemic that you can witness simply by driving on the roads. Ambassadors have been abducted and raped. Yes, read that again: ambassadors.

    By the way, by law the Western Cape government cannot supply bulk water. The City does share some of the blame in not cracking down harder on usage earlier. But the fundamental culprit is the completely inadequate level of capital investment. In truth there is no easy fix for that, given that the fiscal basis of the state is limited to a tiny fraction of the population---and the principal innovation of African Political Science is the use of the treasury as a personal piggy bank. The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind.

    I know because I grew up there and still visit regularly. You need personal information to know what is actually going on. Simply use your eyes. E

    No, that’s not going to help you. Your eyes cherry-pick according to the song in your head.

  153. @Nico
    I suppose Zille, Obama, the Bushes, Macron, Merkel and Cameron are “normal” politicians if “normal” is meant to mean “at par with the Zeitgeist,” which by any measure is considered by most iSteve readers to be “bat-shit crazy.” But since you clearly know that, I must say I’m somewhat baffled at your continuing to attempt ruffle feathers on here, unless you happen to enjoy trolling for trolling’s sake.

    I must say I’m somewhat baffled at your continuing to attempt ruffle feathers on here, unless you happen to enjoy trolling for trolling’s sake.

    I put the data out there. That ruffles the feathers of people emotionally invested in social fictions. Not my problem.

    • Replies: @Nico
    Last I checked, calling names is not “putting the data out there” unless you’re working from a semantic set so far off the rocker as to render communication with most English speakers impossible.
  154. Anonymous [AKA "SA Citizen"] says:

    If the writer knew anything at all about South Africa, he would know that it was, and still is, considered by the vast majority to be very, very good to demonise ‘White Minority Capital.” The difference in this case was that there was backlash from the mainly white capitalists who still provide most of the wealth and employment, and the taxes that black majority government employees waste on conspicuous consumption.

  155. @Art Deco
    The comparative homicide rates are incorporated into World Development Indicators. I think the South African Institute of Race Relations publishes numbers. Just make up your own numbers if that'll help you feel better.

    >The South African Race Relations thing
    Yeah that sounds like a rigorously honest and completely apolitical thing. Our crime stats are collected by the FBI from local police departments and theirs come from a Race Relations board?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    SAIRR a non-government think-tank, founded in 1929 and run by whites. One of its donors is Afriforum, which is a militant pro-Afrikaner lobbying group. In short, I don't think it is, what you think it is.

    And the South African Police Service (there's a single national police force) does publish crime data.
    , @Art Deco
    It's a liberal outfit which has been in existence for about 90 years. They're part of the political opposition in South Africa, not aligned with the government. That was true when the National Party was in charge and it's been true since the African National Congress has been in charge. For decades they published the annual South Africa Survey, which was a handy reference on the country, as well as regular newsletters with descriptive statistics.
  156. @Anonymous
    They've been hiring black farmworkers for centuries, because they're cheap and available. Nothing to do with Black Economic Empowerment. The beneficiaries of BEE prefer sitting in air conditioned offices in big cities anyway.

    There’s the problem right there. (And the lesson applies to other countries besides SA.) These people need to decide which is more important to them: “cheap” workers or not being murdered in their beds.

  157. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    >The South African Race Relations thing
    Yeah that sounds like a rigorously honest and completely apolitical thing. Our crime stats are collected by the FBI from local police departments and theirs come from a Race Relations board?

    SAIRR a non-government think-tank, founded in 1929 and run by whites. One of its donors is Afriforum, which is a militant pro-Afrikaner lobbying group. In short, I don’t think it is, what you think it is.

    And the South African Police Service (there’s a single national police force) does publish crime data.

  158. @Art Deco
    I must say I’m somewhat baffled at your continuing to attempt ruffle feathers on here, unless you happen to enjoy trolling for trolling’s sake.

    I put the data out there. That ruffles the feathers of people emotionally invested in social fictions. Not my problem.

    Last I checked, calling names is not “putting the data out there” unless you’re working from a semantic set so far off the rocker as to render communication with most English speakers impossible.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    Last I checked, calling names i

    You've confounded me with "Mr. Anon".
  159. @Anonymous

    The fact that most of the Transkei now lives in the Western Cape and that squatters do no pay for water (or anything else beyond, I imagine, protection money to their gangs) should also be kept in mind
     
    Squatters use 3% of the water supply. Turns out that one tap shared by dozens of people is pretty efficient. Not saying that they aren't putting a strain on the education and public healthcare systems, but they don't have much of a role on the water crisis.

    As for the rest, there's some truth and some hyperbole there... the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing. SA is probably going to experience a Latin-American semi-homogenization, going forward.

    the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing.

    Unexpected and disappointing, maybe, but not really surprising in one sense. Exactly where has respect for the rules gotten them in the past 24 years? At some point the incentives to play fair just vanish.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    More likely its just assimilation of the new dominant culture's values. Respect for rules actually got them pretty far, especially because they wrote the rules.
    , @Anonymous
    This was true even pre-ANC, with the apartheid government running a spectacularly corrupt ship for a "white dominated" country; huge amounts of the budget were intentionally swindled to fund "weapons manufacture" that never actually produced anything. As the other Anon noted, it very much feels like assimilation into dominant culture.
  160. @Nico

    the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing.
     
    Unexpected and disappointing, maybe, but not really surprising in one sense. Exactly where has respect for the rules gotten them in the past 24 years? At some point the incentives to play fair just vanish.

    More likely its just assimilation of the new dominant culture’s values. Respect for rules actually got them pretty far, especially because they wrote the rules.

  161. @J.Ross
    >The South African Race Relations thing
    Yeah that sounds like a rigorously honest and completely apolitical thing. Our crime stats are collected by the FBI from local police departments and theirs come from a Race Relations board?

    It’s a liberal outfit which has been in existence for about 90 years. They’re part of the political opposition in South Africa, not aligned with the government. That was true when the National Party was in charge and it’s been true since the African National Congress has been in charge. For decades they published the annual South Africa Survey, which was a handy reference on the country, as well as regular newsletters with descriptive statistics.

  162. @Nico
    Last I checked, calling names is not “putting the data out there” unless you’re working from a semantic set so far off the rocker as to render communication with most English speakers impossible.

    Last I checked, calling names i

    You’ve confounded me with “Mr. Anon”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Who? and who is where on this thread?
    , @Mr. Anon

    You’ve confounded me with “Mr. Anon”.
     
    Idiot. Poppinjay. Twit.

    I only confer upon you titles you have earned.
  163. @Art Deco
    Last I checked, calling names i

    You've confounded me with "Mr. Anon".

    Who? and who is where on this thread?

  164. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Nico

    the rampant lawbreaking is something that has spread to the white population of South Africa in the last decade (not so much violent crime, but a casual and blatant disregard for the rules). This was unexpected, and disappointing.
     
    Unexpected and disappointing, maybe, but not really surprising in one sense. Exactly where has respect for the rules gotten them in the past 24 years? At some point the incentives to play fair just vanish.

    This was true even pre-ANC, with the apartheid government running a spectacularly corrupt ship for a “white dominated” country; huge amounts of the budget were intentionally swindled to fund “weapons manufacture” that never actually produced anything. As the other Anon noted, it very much feels like assimilation into dominant culture.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    South Africa has a really impressive defense industry and even more so in the past. Sure, there is a lot of room for graft in these hush hush projects with uncertain deliverables, but South Africa has done very well.
  165. @Art Deco
    Post-Apartheid South Africa is a one-party state. I

    The term 'one-party state' does not mean what you think it means.

    You think I meant to say “effectively.” Read what I wrote and then read what she wrote. The ANC governs, period, per the current constitution.

  166. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Post-Apartheid South Africa is a one-party state. Ilana Mercer has an description in her Into The Cannibal's Pot of how when they rewrote the constitution they set it up so that it is effectively impossible to defeat or supplant the ANC. Other (ethnically) African groups complained at the time and proposed more democratic alternatives; they were rejected by the ANC, which is to say, by the state. The only real way around this short of a new constitution is the parry suffering sustained, impossibly massive, widespread unpopularity -- hence the Chinese opera of removing a high official long known to be corrupt once he gets ridiculous enough to possibly damage the party's basic popularity.

    Mercer wrote her book in 2012. As of 2018, the DA is running Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Pretoria and Johannesburg. Malema’s EFF has flanked the ANC on the Left and in parliament. The judiciary remains independent and the media are about as free as they are in the first-world (make of that what you will). The ANC’s electoral dominance seems to be the similar to other African liberation movements. If anything, it’s fading more quickly (Cyril may rescue its fortunes in 2019, but it isn’t a sure thing). Hardly evidence of a one-party-state.

    As for the electoral process, it’s not the only party-list proportional representation system in the world, and it seems like a fair way to get widely dispersed people with similar interests representation. I doubt that the Afrikaner Freedom Front would have won a single seat in a first-past-the-post system.

    Party bosses do have a lot of power, but it seems like all the parties prefer it that way, along with near-complete donor opacity

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    None of that has anything to do with what I said.
  167. @Steve Sailer
    Cape Town is mostly run by white people. They have responded to the threat of their paradise being overrun by nonwhite masses the way white people in Malibu and Santa Barbara have: by investing far less in water infrastructure than they can afford in order to have an environmentalist justification for keeping the masses out.

    But they haven’t kept the masses out, have they? 3.8 million!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    A lot of whites from the rest of SA have also moved to CT.
  168. @Anonymous
    Mercer wrote her book in 2012. As of 2018, the DA is running Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, Pretoria and Johannesburg. Malema's EFF has flanked the ANC on the Left and in parliament. The judiciary remains independent and the media are about as free as they are in the first-world (make of that what you will). The ANC's electoral dominance seems to be the similar to other African liberation movements. If anything, it's fading more quickly (Cyril may rescue its fortunes in 2019, but it isn't a sure thing). Hardly evidence of a one-party-state.

    As for the electoral process, it's not the only party-list proportional representation system in the world, and it seems like a fair way to get widely dispersed people with similar interests representation. I doubt that the Afrikaner Freedom Front would have won a single seat in a first-past-the-post system.

    Party bosses do have a lot of power, but it seems like all the parties prefer it that way, along with near-complete donor opacity

    None of that has anything to do with what I said.

  169. @dearieme
    But they haven't kept the masses out, have they? 3.8 million!

    A lot of whites from the rest of SA have also moved to CT.

  170. @Art Deco
    Last I checked, calling names i

    You've confounded me with "Mr. Anon".

    You’ve confounded me with “Mr. Anon”.

    Idiot. Poppinjay. Twit.

    I only confer upon you titles you have earned.

  171. @Nico
    I suppose Zille, Obama, the Bushes, Macron, Merkel and Cameron are “normal” politicians if “normal” is meant to mean “at par with the Zeitgeist,” which by any measure is considered by most iSteve readers to be “bat-shit crazy.” But since you clearly know that, I must say I’m somewhat baffled at your continuing to attempt ruffle feathers on here, unless you happen to enjoy trolling for trolling’s sake.

    Art Deco suffers from the delusion that he is an important person, with something important to say.

    Whereas, in truth, he is a nobody, with nothing of importance to say.

  172. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I used the words "savage" and "brutal".

    But the evidence of an orchestrated genocide- rather than orgiastic African violence in response to labour disputes, along with standard criminality- is rather thin.

    I don’t believe it’s orchestrated either. But this talk of work disputes is ridiculous. Everyone in SA is at considerable risk of dying a painful and bloody death in their own home, whether they have employees or not. It’s just worse for those on farms out in the boonies.

    Even if you don’t know anything about South Africa, just look at its crime stats. That’s a whole lot of work disputes being worked out… or, y’know, your average SA crim doesn’t actually require all that much motivation, work-related or not, for “orgiastic violence”. TIA, as they say.

  173. @Anonymous
    This was true even pre-ANC, with the apartheid government running a spectacularly corrupt ship for a "white dominated" country; huge amounts of the budget were intentionally swindled to fund "weapons manufacture" that never actually produced anything. As the other Anon noted, it very much feels like assimilation into dominant culture.

    South Africa has a really impressive defense industry and even more so in the past. Sure, there is a lot of room for graft in these hush hush projects with uncertain deliverables, but South Africa has done very well.

  174. The worst part is his insistence on having White South Africans and Apartheid blamed for the country’s problems when he knew that he had enough resources to tackle the legacy of the aforementioned regime in earnest with all the foreign investments and capital that was brought in during Thabo Mbeki’s rule especially. Due to him we could read such headlines: Former Deputy Minister for Ashanti Region, Joseph Yammin has pointed to the Free SHS policy as the cause of the recent ‘gang rape’ whose view has gone viral on https://yen.com.gh/tag/free-shs-education-in-ghana.html Then comes the part of having a mansion built in his impoverished home village on state money, colluding with a family who holds huge stakes in the local mining, media and IT industries to further his own interests, and holding lavish parties with his so-called “comrades”He is more than a joke – in fact – he is a human cesspit with his cronies constituting a massive landfill of their own accord.

    I even had a whole tirade against him written on my personal blog for Christ’s sake!

  175. @Simon Tugmutton
    See also:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-11-09/the-brothers-who-bought-south-africa

    Thanks for this interesting report!

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