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From Nature:

How decolonization could reshape South African science
A generation of black scientists is gearing up to transform the research landscape.

NEWS FEATURE 07 FEBRUARY 2018

Linda Nordling

Perhaps Ms. Nordling is related to O.J. Simpson’s character in The Naked Gun?

… Decolonization is a movement to eliminate, or at least mitigate, the disproportionate legacy of white European thought and culture in education. According to advocates, this is not just about increasing the number of black scientists, although such racial ‘transformation’ is an important part of the process. It also means dismantling the hegemony of European values and making way for the local philosophy and traditions that colonists had cast aside. …

Science departments have struggled to define what decolonization means for their curricula and for research. Most are ramping up efforts to overcome the glaring under-representation of black scientists, but what comes next is unclear. …

… Some hail from communities that are distrustful of science. In Xhosa, Zembe-Mkabile’s home language, there isn’t even a word for research. The best approximation, she says, is ukuphanda, which has negative connotations. “It means to search for a bad thing, like a police investigation,” she says. …

In the natural sciences it gets more complicated, because the meaning of decolonization is not well defined and its relevance is contested. Does decolonizing science mean throwing out Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and Gregor Mendel, and starting afresh with indigenous knowledge? Such demands have been made, most famously by a University of Cape Town student in an online video of a campus discussion titled ‘Science must fall?’. Metz says he’s encountered the argument. “Some of my colleagues think that if something hasn’t come from Africa, it’s somehow disqualified.”

But only a small minority of scientists hold such radical views. For most, decolonization of science calls for something more complex and subtle. “Decolonization is going to happen in the mind,” says Siyanda Makaula, a former cardiology lecturer who now works in university governance. Such shifts in thinking could mean, for example, that pharmacology students hear how drugs are being developed from plants their grandmothers used to treat stomach ache. This would show the relevance of traditional culture in modern science and anchor the curriculum in local experience. In other subjects, it could be about highlighting the contribution of non-Europeans, or facing the unsavoury history of a discipline: for example, exploring how medical research had a role in fuelling racist ideas and how these were challenged and overturned. Across the board, it means ensuring that research addresses local problems and challenges.

Makaula thinks that scientists often hide behind their disciplines’ putative universality — that a cell is a cell, whether it belongs to an African or a European, or that the laws of physics apply to all — to avoid the need to question the way they do things. “It’s an excuse they use,” he says. But the point of science, he adds, is to find solutions for real-world problems. And for that, context needs to be part of how science is taught, he says. “It’s about how you teach it, how you apply it, how you make it relevant, so the person can receive it and absorb it better.”

Such refocusing is taking much too long in South African universities, says Makaula. And that inertia is costing the country dearly in terms of black research talent. He sees himself as a prime example. A decade ago, Makaula earned a PhD in cardiology. But repeated brushes with racism and tokenism — being asked, along with other black students, to meet potential funders while his white colleagues could stay in the lab — frustrated him to the point that he left academia. Today, he works for the Council on Higher Education based in Pretoria, a public-sector body that deals with quality control and regulatory compliance in universities.

On the face of it, South African universities are working on decolonizing their academic offerings. Most have created committees to review their curricula — although few have much to show for it. And all are under pressure from government and funding bodies to train and hire more black academics. Research funders are following suit. A few years ago, the Medical Research Council dedicated a significant portion of its largest grant programme to early-career scientists, and added weighting for gender and race. The proportion of the grants going to white investigators has since shrunk, from 72% in 2012 to 37% in 2016. The council is also working on a position statement on decolonization to sharpen its efforts to recruit black scientists, says Glenda Gray, the council’s president (see ‘Three cultures’). It will look at how medical research can draw on social science to become more sensitive to community needs. “You only get true well-being if you understand the context in which the biological happens.”

Some South Africans approach decolonization as a way to rediscover their heritage. … Her superior education and clipped private-school vowels singled her out as “too white” to belong with the black students. But she was also too black for the white students. “I was getting it from both ends.”

Black researchers are rapidly moving into South Africa’s academic spaces. But not all of them are considered ‘black’ by the country’s Department of Higher Education and Training. Researchers from other parts of the world are instead classified as ‘foreign’.

It’s a large and fast-growing segment. One report4 found that although black PhD graduates outnumbered whites for the first time in South Africa’s history in 2012, more than half of them hailed from countries such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Uganda and Kenya.

… So foreign black scientists — such as Thumbi Ndung’u, a Kenyan virologist based at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in Durban — experience a special kind of alienation. “You can’t completely identify with the local black population. They see you as an outsider. On the other hand, you are not in the white old-boys’ club,” he says.

… In her 2015 article ‘Leadership: The invisibility of African women and the masculinity of power’, Mamokgethi Phakeng writes2 that black women, as well as being marginalized for their gender and race by white society, face opposition from patriarchal African cultures. This “masculinity of power”, she writes, needs to be challenged alongside colonialism and sexism.

… “I ask people, what stories do you tell yourself? Those stories shape the possibilities of what we can do.”

Nature 554, 159-162 (2018)

 
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  1. “According to advocates, this is not just about increasing the number of black scientists…It also means dismantling the hegemony of European values and making way for the local philosophy and traditions that colonists had cast aside”

    Ah, so it’s a Have Your Cake and Eat It Too thing. We want black scientists, but we also wish to undermine science, among other goals.

    Not that it wouldn’t be a good thing to preserve their unique cultures, but I’ve seen this movie before and they get the worst of both worlds.

  2. Calvin Hobbes [AKA "Calvin X Hobbes"] says:

    Other articles at Nature allow comments. For some reason, this particular article does not allow comments.

  3. I know it is the fashion to say that most of recorded history is lies anyway. I am willing to believe that history is for the most part inaccurate and biased, but what is peculiar to our own age is the abandonment of the idea that history could be truthfully written. In the past, people deliberately lied, or they unconsciously colored what they wrote, or they struggled after the truth, well knowing that they must make many mistakes; but in each case they believed that “the facts” existed and were more or less discoverable. And in practice there was always a considerable body of fact which would have been agreed to by almost anyone. If you look up the history of the last war in, for instance, the Encyclopedia Britannica, you will find that a respectable amount of the material is drawn from German sources. A British and a German historian would disagree deeply on many things, even on fundamentals, but there would still be a body of, as it were, neutral fact on which neither would seriously challenge the other. It is just this common basis of agreement with its implication that human beings are all one species of animal, that totalitarianism destroys. Nazi theory indeed specifically denies that such a thing as “the truth” exists. There is, for instance, no such thing as “Science”. There is only “German Science,” “Jewish Science,” etc. The implied objective of this line of thought is a nightmare world in which the Leader, or some ruling clique, controls not only the future but the past. If the Leader says of such and such an event, “It never happened” — well, it never happened. If he says that two and two are five — well two and two are five. This prospect frightens me much more than bombs — and after our experiences of the last few years that is not such a frivolous statement.

    George Orwell, 1943

    http://www.lexrex.com/informed/historicalfact.htm

  4. Makaula thinks that scientists often hide behind their disciplines’ putative universality — that a cell is a cell, whether it belongs to an African or a European, or that the laws of physics apply to all — to avoid the need to question the way they do things.

    Didn’t we used to have an issue with people who took issue with the laws of physics being universal, and who called it Jüdische Physik?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Man From K Street

    You refer to an embarrassing episode in German history. Nevertheless, the Nazis did come close to building an atomic bomb even though they scorned Hebrew Physics. Apparently, their repudiation of non-Aryan science was mostly display. Somehow, I think these Africans are more serious about discarding White Science.

    Replies: @El Dato

  5. Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh. Hee, hee, hee. Ho, ho.

    Ready to watch the glorious rise of Wakandan tech! Making some popcorn now. What the hell — when the bridges fall, during construction most likely, it’ll be my fault somehow. Might as well have a few laughs in the meantime.

    I wonder if they “fucking love science?” Bet they don’t even heavy-petting love math …

    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @Bizarro World Observer
    @Reactionary Utopian

    Yeah, except those bridges will never be built. The way things are going in South Africa, what infrastructure there is now will have gone back to the earth in 75 years or so.

  6. Maybe they’ll change the name of their magazine from ‘Nature’ to ‘Nurture’.

  7. Quality discussion on the Decolonization of Science and Black Magic in South Africa.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Clifford Brown

    Cliff, you know, I think an accomplished black, either male or female, has to cringe when they see shit like this.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    , @Jack D
    @Clifford Brown

    They are not really serious. This is just posing and a chance to mau-mau the flak catchers, as Tom Wolfe would say. Maybe you get some comfy gig as a "decolonization coordinator" as a result - a job that doesn't require you to have any real knowledge. None of them are giving up their iPhones in order to wait 5,000 years for Africans to reinvent the banana based integrated circuit.

    This will never fly, even with other Africans. Even in Zimbabwe they did not try to reset the clock to Year Zero, Pol Pot style. The Big Man wants to scare away the Boer so he can have the Boer's stuff. He doesn't want to BURN the Boer's house, he wants to LIVE in it, complete with A/C and cable and all the frills. Cyril Ramaphosa has no more intention of rejecting Western modernity than Obama did or Oprah does. They WANT the cargo, they want MORE of the cargo, they want the white man to keep bringing the cargo. They know that if they had to wait for the black man to reinvent cargo they would be waiting a damn long time. They may not be the sharpest intellects but they're not THAT dumb.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @Jack Hanson

    , @Luke Lea
    @Clifford Brown

    More background: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/opinion/a-chokehold-on-south-african-universities.html

    , @Fred G.
    @Clifford Brown

    Reminds me of lines from a poem by C. S. Lewis: "To the Author of The Flowering Rifle".


    Fashions in polysyllables may fright
    Those Charlies on the left of whom you write;
    No wonder; since it was from them you learned
    How white to black by jargon can be turned....
     
    This discussion makes the last line into a delicious double-entendre.

    The one intelligent remark in the whole video: "It's Not True!"
  8. Opinion leaders like Nordling should commit themselves to travel on aircraft designed by black engineers and manufactured by black workers in black-majority countries, excluding South Africa of course because of its history of racism and colonialism.

    • Agree: Mis(ter)Anthrope
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @HunInTheSun

    Hun, not so long ago European countries would not let African flag ship airlines land on their runways. Aircraft in deplorable condition.

  9. I don’t suppose Linda Nordling is an actual doctor, scientist, or engineer? Nope, just checked, she’s a journalist, what a surprise! Why then is she writing for a scientific publication of note? Obviously a graduate of the John Horgan School of Science Journalism.

  10. So it seems Africans are happily adopting the bat-shit crazy ideas of American education “academics.” Can we somehow implant these same education notions into China? It’s the only chance we have at beating them.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @peterike


    So it seems Africans are happily adopting the bat-shit crazy ideas of American education “academics.”
     
    That's the most amazing part. I wonder, is it possible for a society to decolonize itself of the concept of decolonization?
  11. What a catastrophe. This kind of thinking guarantees that Africans will fall further and further behind non-African countries.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Wazoo

    Future historians will probably view the 20th century as the Golden Age of Africa. At least the honest ones will.

    , @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Wazoo

    "It’s a large and fast-growing segment. One report4 found that although black PhD graduates outnumbered whites for the first time in South Africa’s history in 2012, more than half of them hailed from countries such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Uganda and Kenya."

    I assure you, not all Africans are South Africans.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Jack D, @Disordered

  12. Waiting for the African Architect who can design and build the skyscraper constructed of sticks, waddle and cow dung. You know, there is really nothing wrong with copying others’ lead when building. The arch has never really been improved upon.

  13. In Africa, decolonization = deindustrialization.

  14. @Clifford Brown
    Quality discussion on the Decolonization of Science and Black Magic in South Africa.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @Luke Lea, @Fred G.

    Cliff, you know, I think an accomplished black, either male or female, has to cringe when they see shit like this.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Buffalo Joe

    >>Cliff, you know, I think an accomplished black, either male or female, has to cringe when they see shit like this.

    But these are accomplished blacks. These are South Africa's future leaders, for the worse, of course.

  15. @HunInTheSun
    Opinion leaders like Nordling should commit themselves to travel on aircraft designed by black engineers and manufactured by black workers in black-majority countries, excluding South Africa of course because of its history of racism and colonialism.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Hun, not so long ago European countries would not let African flag ship airlines land on their runways. Aircraft in deplorable condition.

  16. Anonymous [AKA "Cajun"] says:

    OJ played Norberg, not Nordling. But funny nonetheless

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    There's Jay Nordlinger, a senior editor of National Review, and Nerdlinger, a character in School of Hard Knockers, a film Homer watched in the episode "Homer Goes to College."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwEweXpHphg

  17. Sometimes I just laugh out loud at these headlines. Then later I realize they are not parody.

  18. Ctrl-f IQ. Zero hits.

    If I wanted to build a top flight science research capability, the first thing I would do is assemble the best I can find out of an IQ 70 population. In South Africa I would expect 74k IQ 115+ people, mostly at the 115 level due to being on the extreme right tail. 1740 at 130+. 17 at 145+. None at 160+ without non-SSA admixture. I would divert every one of those 1740 130+ guys into science because there would be no need for them in law, medicine, politics, engineering, etc. Humans are fungible after all.

    My next step would be to throw out all the principles to start from scratch. Just like I, as a someone with WN sympathies, if I wanted to accomplish something in Astrophysics I would throw out the work of Chandrasekhar and start again. Because you know, a 170 IQ genius like Chandrasekhar comes along all the time, just like a Newton (190 IQ estimated).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subrahmanyan_Chandrasekhar

    And Stephen J Gould, well, uhhh, nevermind. I was talking about scientists, not Jewish activists purporting to be scientists.

  19. Such shifts in thinking could mean, for example, that pharmacology students hear how drugs are being developed from plants their grandmothers used to treat stomach ache.

    They could also be taught which albino body parts have the greatest mystical benefits.

  20. Perhaps Ms. Nordling is related to O.J. Simpson’s character in The Naked Gun?

    O.J.’s character was named Nordberg. BTW, it was a honky who played the original Norberg on the television series Police Squad! (which The Naked Gun movies were a spin-off from). I have to say to O.J.’s credit that he was hilarious in the Nordberg role.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @MEH 0910

    I watched all of Police Story and the Naked Gun movies in the past year. They were really stupid and really funny.

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    According to most elementary school home rooms’ wallpaper almost everything we use was invented by African-Americans albeit Americans. Are “realer” South African blacks going to turn their back to Geo. Washington Carver? That’s not a dare, by the way. Whence this primitive RISK-board-game idea of continent vs. continent? Col. Mo Quhahdaffi’i used to talk about African hegemony and it only screwed up a good scam he’d been running. Also I thought all Western science was from Muslims? This some kind of Islamaphobic screed from notorious whitemale pub Nature? Really should have a woman’s byline on this as well. 2018!

  22. @Wazoo
    What a catastrophe. This kind of thinking guarantees that Africans will fall further and further behind non-African countries.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Nigerian Nationalist

    Future historians will probably view the 20th century as the Golden Age of Africa. At least the honest ones will.

  23. Based on Space X’s recent success with there Falcon Heavy rocket. In recent days out in the internet there were many comments by “post Americans” that Elon Musk was a immigrant. These were usually countered by “current American” commentators who pointed out he came here via merit, which is perhaps the understatement of the decade. Some commentators with all pun intended pointed out he is the most successful African American rocket scientist ever. Other’s commented, the South Africa that he grew up in was still an apartheid state, wondering what side of the tracks he grew up on.

    But another thought occurred to me. Why was it bad for Whites in apartheid South Africa to employee Black servants, landscapers, nannies, cooks, maids etc.. Yet in White dominated coastal elite cities like Malibu it’s morally superior for Whites to have imported Brown servants, landscapers, nannies, cooks, maids etc..???

  24. This has a lot in common with what’s going on in US colleges: a refusal to learn, stemming from a titanic ego. The “woke” minorities think they are in college to educate the professors, not the other way around. They will only accept instruction from a person with more diversity points than themselves. Otherwise it’s all, “You don’t know what it’s like to be me, so don’t try to tell me I should avoid splitting infinitives.”

    I wonder where science would be if Newton had gone up to Cambridge and instead of learning with humility had preened around yelling, “You don’t know what it’s like to be a farm kid with no father, so don’t you posh dons go forcing me to solve for x.”

    • Replies: @Yada yada
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    You're hilarious. I love it.

  25. Perhaps Ms. Nordling is related to O.J. Simpson’s character in The Naked Gun?

    Wait, wasn’t his name Nordberg?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Gun%3A_From_the_Files_of_Police_Squad!#Cast

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Seamus Padraig

    Close enough.

    Maybe she's related to Nerdlinger?

  26. @Clifford Brown
    Quality discussion on the Decolonization of Science and Black Magic in South Africa.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @Luke Lea, @Fred G.

    They are not really serious. This is just posing and a chance to mau-mau the flak catchers, as Tom Wolfe would say. Maybe you get some comfy gig as a “decolonization coordinator” as a result – a job that doesn’t require you to have any real knowledge. None of them are giving up their iPhones in order to wait 5,000 years for Africans to reinvent the banana based integrated circuit.

    This will never fly, even with other Africans. Even in Zimbabwe they did not try to reset the clock to Year Zero, Pol Pot style. The Big Man wants to scare away the Boer so he can have the Boer’s stuff. He doesn’t want to BURN the Boer’s house, he wants to LIVE in it, complete with A/C and cable and all the frills. Cyril Ramaphosa has no more intention of rejecting Western modernity than Obama did or Oprah does. They WANT the cargo, they want MORE of the cargo, they want the white man to keep bringing the cargo. They know that if they had to wait for the black man to reinvent cargo they would be waiting a damn long time. They may not be the sharpest intellects but they’re not THAT dumb.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Have you seen the video where they demand to know if the white man can explain Lightning Mages with his science? And what is the track record in decolonized Africa on upkeep and maintenance?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    Yes they are posing, but in a sense they are absolutely correct. White people’s intervention has damaged much of Africa by introducing a technology that was needed to thrive on the harsh continent of Europe, into a continent inhabited by people who were well adapted to a low density, low technology type of hunting and farming. All this has brought Africans was a population explosion and access to Kalashnikovs and machetes. The Europeans should have stayed out of Africa and allowed them to follow whatever development path was natural for their genetics and environment. If they got to Wakanda on their own fine, if they are happier raising cattle and growing vegetable plots, that’s fine too. I think the Chinese are being pragmatic by focusing on cutting deals to obtain Africa’s natural resources, but without attempting to colonize, educate, uplift, or proselytize them into being large dusky Chinese people. All humans have the right to their own culture and self-directed destiny.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Perspective, @Disordered

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    They ARE serious, and 40 years of boomers like you and Steve insisting theyre not because that's not garsh durn REASONABLE is partially why we've got men wearing dresses sexually assaulting little girls in the ladies restroom.

    Replies: @Jack D

  27. @Clifford Brown
    Quality discussion on the Decolonization of Science and Black Magic in South Africa.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @Luke Lea, @Fred G.

  28. @Seamus Padraig

    Perhaps Ms. Nordling is related to O.J. Simpson’s character in The Naked Gun?
     
    Wait, wasn't his name Nordberg?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Naked_Gun%3A_From_the_Files_of_Police_Squad!#Cast

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Close enough.

    Maybe she’s related to Nerdlinger?

  29. @Buffalo Joe
    @Clifford Brown

    Cliff, you know, I think an accomplished black, either male or female, has to cringe when they see shit like this.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    >>Cliff, you know, I think an accomplished black, either male or female, has to cringe when they see shit like this.

    But these are accomplished blacks. These are South Africa’s future leaders, for the worse, of course.

  30. @Anonymous
    OJ played Norberg, not Nordling. But funny nonetheless

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    There’s Jay Nordlinger, a senior editor of National Review, and Nerdlinger, a character in School of Hard Knockers, a film Homer watched in the episode “Homer Goes to College.”

  31. Black Agenda Report:
    “Intersectionality,” As Practiced in U.S., Retards Solidarity
    https://blackagendareport.com/index.php/intersectionality-practiced-us-retards-solidarity

    Intersectionality is an invention of trial lawyers. He doesn’t say it but he talks about the coalition of the fringes vs class orientation.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @George

    This "Black Agenda Report" seems like a pretty good leftist source of analysis.

  32. @George
    Black Agenda Report:
    “Intersectionality,” As Practiced in U.S., Retards Solidarity
    https://blackagendareport.com/index.php/intersectionality-practiced-us-retards-solidarity

    Intersectionality is an invention of trial lawyers. He doesn't say it but he talks about the coalition of the fringes vs class orientation.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    This “Black Agenda Report” seems like a pretty good leftist source of analysis.

  33. @Jack D
    @Clifford Brown

    They are not really serious. This is just posing and a chance to mau-mau the flak catchers, as Tom Wolfe would say. Maybe you get some comfy gig as a "decolonization coordinator" as a result - a job that doesn't require you to have any real knowledge. None of them are giving up their iPhones in order to wait 5,000 years for Africans to reinvent the banana based integrated circuit.

    This will never fly, even with other Africans. Even in Zimbabwe they did not try to reset the clock to Year Zero, Pol Pot style. The Big Man wants to scare away the Boer so he can have the Boer's stuff. He doesn't want to BURN the Boer's house, he wants to LIVE in it, complete with A/C and cable and all the frills. Cyril Ramaphosa has no more intention of rejecting Western modernity than Obama did or Oprah does. They WANT the cargo, they want MORE of the cargo, they want the white man to keep bringing the cargo. They know that if they had to wait for the black man to reinvent cargo they would be waiting a damn long time. They may not be the sharpest intellects but they're not THAT dumb.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @Jack Hanson

    Have you seen the video where they demand to know if the white man can explain Lightning Mages with his science? And what is the track record in decolonized Africa on upkeep and maintenance?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    Yes, in Africa Things Fall Apart, but not because they reject the white man's science. They are doing the best that they can, but they lack the Necessities. Even the loudmouth girl in the video knows that - she is just compensating for African's obvious shortcomings. Those (Western) grapes were sour anyway.

  34. BAR has an excellent summary of the Nunes memo.
    https://blackagendareport.com/fisa-memo-not-big-nothing-burger-its-whopper-fries
    There were Berniebros who voted for Trump because they recognized his anti-establishmentarian value (and read Wikileaks about Hillary and Debbie stealing primaries). Hopefully their numbers increase and their energy doesn’t dissipate. Elsewhere they actually mention the Foundations as the way the one per cent controls activism!

  35. @Jack D
    @Clifford Brown

    They are not really serious. This is just posing and a chance to mau-mau the flak catchers, as Tom Wolfe would say. Maybe you get some comfy gig as a "decolonization coordinator" as a result - a job that doesn't require you to have any real knowledge. None of them are giving up their iPhones in order to wait 5,000 years for Africans to reinvent the banana based integrated circuit.

    This will never fly, even with other Africans. Even in Zimbabwe they did not try to reset the clock to Year Zero, Pol Pot style. The Big Man wants to scare away the Boer so he can have the Boer's stuff. He doesn't want to BURN the Boer's house, he wants to LIVE in it, complete with A/C and cable and all the frills. Cyril Ramaphosa has no more intention of rejecting Western modernity than Obama did or Oprah does. They WANT the cargo, they want MORE of the cargo, they want the white man to keep bringing the cargo. They know that if they had to wait for the black man to reinvent cargo they would be waiting a damn long time. They may not be the sharpest intellects but they're not THAT dumb.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @Jack Hanson

    Yes they are posing, but in a sense they are absolutely correct. White people’s intervention has damaged much of Africa by introducing a technology that was needed to thrive on the harsh continent of Europe, into a continent inhabited by people who were well adapted to a low density, low technology type of hunting and farming. All this has brought Africans was a population explosion and access to Kalashnikovs and machetes. The Europeans should have stayed out of Africa and allowed them to follow whatever development path was natural for their genetics and environment. If they got to Wakanda on their own fine, if they are happier raising cattle and growing vegetable plots, that’s fine too. I think the Chinese are being pragmatic by focusing on cutting deals to obtain Africa’s natural resources, but without attempting to colonize, educate, uplift, or proselytize them into being large dusky Chinese people. All humans have the right to their own culture and self-directed destiny.

    • Agree: Laugh Track
    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Alfa158

    Amen.

    , @Perspective
    @Alfa158

    Agreed, there should be more people championing this line of thought.

    , @Disordered
    @Alfa158

    Agreed with the main point about Africans. Although I doubt they would now want the West to leave completely, not with more and more Africans using Western consumer tech.

    Also, maybe it's just me, but I think the Chinese are going to fall into the same mistake the US did when cutting deals with other Third World nations, namely that these will be unstable and get into massive debt, not honoring credit obligations. It happened to the US with Latin America in the late 20th century, for example, where today due to those debts China has stepped in and built up lots of infrastructure - and gained several debtors. This in turn will make China follow the same kind of imperial decay the US did, namely credit over-expansion, currency appreciation, and worker dislocation, with the Chinese eventually hiring Africans to "do the jobs the Chinese won't do"... and all of this not counting any potential rebellion in the African nations against the local elites selling out their country, which might force the PLA's first international expeditions to defend Chinese investment... so yeah, maybe they should keep intervening in Africa, won't hurt them lol.

  36. “You all remember,” said the Controller, in his strong deep voice, “you all remember, I suppose, that beautiful and inspired saying of Our Ford’s: History is bunk. History,” he repeated slowly, “is bunk.”

    He waved his hand; and it was as though, with an invisible feather wisk, he had brushed away a little dust, and the dust was Harappa, was Ur of the Chaldees; some spider-webs, and they were Thebes and Babylon and Cnossos and Mycenae. Whisk. Whisk—and where was Odysseus, where was Job, where were Jupiter and Gotama and Jesus? Whisk—and those specks of antique dirt called Athens and Rome, Jerusalem and the Middle Kingdom – all were gone. Whisk—the place where Italy had been was empty. Whisk, the cathedrals; whisk, whisk, King Lear and the Thoughts of Pascal. Whisk, Passion; whisk, Requiem; whisk, Symphony; whisk…

    – Huxley, Brave New World

  37. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    We need a new field of academic research and study called Wakandonics.

    It questions why blacks possess ‘idolic’ power as ‘heroes’ and ‘giants'(and even ‘gods’) but fail to create and maintain great civilizations, whereas people without such ‘idolic’ power have done so much more.

    One says ‘white racism!’ Other side says Hype is no basis of real society. Amplification of celebrity has really messed with people’s sense of what really matters.

    • Replies: @Logan
    @Anon

    You know, there's another group with such delusions.

    There's a whole community online of believers in "Vedic science," the notion that ancient India was vastly advanced technologically, with energy weapons, airplanes, telecommunications, etc.

    I used to drop by their discussion groups once in a while and ask how such advanced and numerous people managed to get themselves conquered by a few thousand men from a small rainy island on the other side of the world. Immense and entertaining indignation invariably ensued.

  38. @Jack D
    @Clifford Brown

    They are not really serious. This is just posing and a chance to mau-mau the flak catchers, as Tom Wolfe would say. Maybe you get some comfy gig as a "decolonization coordinator" as a result - a job that doesn't require you to have any real knowledge. None of them are giving up their iPhones in order to wait 5,000 years for Africans to reinvent the banana based integrated circuit.

    This will never fly, even with other Africans. Even in Zimbabwe they did not try to reset the clock to Year Zero, Pol Pot style. The Big Man wants to scare away the Boer so he can have the Boer's stuff. He doesn't want to BURN the Boer's house, he wants to LIVE in it, complete with A/C and cable and all the frills. Cyril Ramaphosa has no more intention of rejecting Western modernity than Obama did or Oprah does. They WANT the cargo, they want MORE of the cargo, they want the white man to keep bringing the cargo. They know that if they had to wait for the black man to reinvent cargo they would be waiting a damn long time. They may not be the sharpest intellects but they're not THAT dumb.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Alfa158, @Jack Hanson

    They ARE serious, and 40 years of boomers like you and Steve insisting theyre not because that’s not garsh durn REASONABLE is partially why we’ve got men wearing dresses sexually assaulting little girls in the ladies restroom.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    I would be the last one to misunderestimate a threat. The German Jews kept thinking that Hitler was just a crazy guy with a funny mustache and his followers just a bunch of low class thugs. It's just a passing fad, he'll be out in 6 months, etc.

    But I think I have a pretty good nose as to who is really a threat - (N.Korea - yes, Iran - yes, Iraq-no, Syria, no, Afghanistan -no) and these women are not a threat. Maybe if I live in SA they would be worth keeping your eye on, but to us here they are nothing more than a joke.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  39. Kinda weird to be living in a time where we are launching rockets to Mars while we are about to have a civil war over reality vs. totally made up BS.

  40. “… generation of black scientists ….”

    … can be recruited from Counter Intelligence, the branch of the Army that works towards countering and getting rid of all intelligence in the Army.

    “Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history. – George Bernard Shaw”

  41. @peterike
    So it seems Africans are happily adopting the bat-shit crazy ideas of American education "academics." Can we somehow implant these same education notions into China? It's the only chance we have at beating them.

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    So it seems Africans are happily adopting the bat-shit crazy ideas of American education “academics.”

    That’s the most amazing part. I wonder, is it possible for a society to decolonize itself of the concept of decolonization?

  42. Has Cape Town run out of water yet? That will be a sign of decolonization.

  43. In Xhosa, Zembe-Mkabile’s home language, there isn’t even a word for research.

    The construction “In xxxxx, there isn’t even a word for xxxxx” is such a ridiculous cliche, I can’t believe it was used here.

    And of course, there is a word for research, or one can be quickly coined or borrowed.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Chris Marsk

    Of course they have no word for research. Research was not a thing to them. Research is STILL not a thing to them. Research is NEVER going to be a thing with them because research is done by people with IQ's of 120 and up and they don't have many of those.

    I have no word for "a pumpkin that is cooked before it is fully ripened and served with mealie meal" because I don't cook pumpkins before they are ripe and serve them with mealie meal but any Xhosa 6 year old could tell you that is Umxoxozi.

    Replies: @Yada yada

  44. @Wazoo
    What a catastrophe. This kind of thinking guarantees that Africans will fall further and further behind non-African countries.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Nigerian Nationalist

    “It’s a large and fast-growing segment. One report4 found that although black PhD graduates outnumbered whites for the first time in South Africa’s history in 2012, more than half of them hailed from countries such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Uganda and Kenya.”

    I assure you, not all Africans are South Africans.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    I heard that Uganda Knuckles has one, too. He knows the way.

    , @Jack D
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Just as China has some 7 foot tall basketball players, in a continent of 1.2 billion people even if the African mean IQ is below the while mean, there are still going to be a significant # of people out at the tail. If 1 in 10,000 Africans has an IQ above 130 (and 9,999 out of 10,000 don't) then that is still 120,000 brilliant Africans. Americans are skeptical about this because the American slave population (aside from those who are mulatto) are almost all as dumb as rocks. Even the "smart" ones (Genius T. Coates) are dumb. There is no N.American equivalent to the Igbo or or other smart tribes. We got all the dumb tribes and slave breeding was dysgenic (except, ironically when they messed around with massa).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Disordered
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Maybe so. I've heard from other Africans how some tribes/countries are seriously inferior to others, at least in their opinion. A Somali-Ethiopian once told me she thought the problem with African-Americans was that they were all West Africans. I assume you obviously disagree, and I certainly don't know the truth, but it's still interesting to see how really all races aren't that homogeneous a group, and go through clannish internal bickering - even whites too, as the many countries of Europe have historically shown.

    Also, I still wonder what Nigeria does with alllllll of that oil money. Then again, other African countries must be much worse without such resource, even if lots of misuse of funds occurs. Thus, I wonder how long will the Third World take to close the gap, if ever. This article does not raise a lot of hopes...

  45. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Have you seen the video where they demand to know if the white man can explain Lightning Mages with his science? And what is the track record in decolonized Africa on upkeep and maintenance?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yes, in Africa Things Fall Apart, but not because they reject the white man’s science. They are doing the best that they can, but they lack the Necessities. Even the loudmouth girl in the video knows that – she is just compensating for African’s obvious shortcomings. Those (Western) grapes were sour anyway.

  46. @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    They ARE serious, and 40 years of boomers like you and Steve insisting theyre not because that's not garsh durn REASONABLE is partially why we've got men wearing dresses sexually assaulting little girls in the ladies restroom.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I would be the last one to misunderestimate a threat. The German Jews kept thinking that Hitler was just a crazy guy with a funny mustache and his followers just a bunch of low class thugs. It’s just a passing fad, he’ll be out in 6 months, etc.

    But I think I have a pretty good nose as to who is really a threat – (N.Korea – yes, Iran – yes, Iraq-no, Syria, no, Afghanistan -no) and these women are not a threat. Maybe if I live in SA they would be worth keeping your eye on, but to us here they are nothing more than a joke.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Yeah we get it, its always Hitler O Clock while you try to Talmudically argue black into white.

  47. @Chris Marsk

    In Xhosa, Zembe-Mkabile’s home language, there isn’t even a word for research.
     
    The construction "In xxxxx, there isn't even a word for xxxxx" is such a ridiculous cliche, I can't believe it was used here.

    And of course, there is a word for research, or one can be quickly coined or borrowed.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Of course they have no word for research. Research was not a thing to them. Research is STILL not a thing to them. Research is NEVER going to be a thing with them because research is done by people with IQ’s of 120 and up and they don’t have many of those.

    I have no word for “a pumpkin that is cooked before it is fully ripened and served with mealie meal” because I don’t cook pumpkins before they are ripe and serve them with mealie meal but any Xhosa 6 year old could tell you that is Umxoxozi.

    • Replies: @Yada yada
    @Jack D

    They also never invented a written language either.

  48. @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    Yes they are posing, but in a sense they are absolutely correct. White people’s intervention has damaged much of Africa by introducing a technology that was needed to thrive on the harsh continent of Europe, into a continent inhabited by people who were well adapted to a low density, low technology type of hunting and farming. All this has brought Africans was a population explosion and access to Kalashnikovs and machetes. The Europeans should have stayed out of Africa and allowed them to follow whatever development path was natural for their genetics and environment. If they got to Wakanda on their own fine, if they are happier raising cattle and growing vegetable plots, that’s fine too. I think the Chinese are being pragmatic by focusing on cutting deals to obtain Africa’s natural resources, but without attempting to colonize, educate, uplift, or proselytize them into being large dusky Chinese people. All humans have the right to their own culture and self-directed destiny.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Perspective, @Disordered

    Amen.

  49. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Wazoo

    "It’s a large and fast-growing segment. One report4 found that although black PhD graduates outnumbered whites for the first time in South Africa’s history in 2012, more than half of them hailed from countries such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Uganda and Kenya."

    I assure you, not all Africans are South Africans.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Jack D, @Disordered

    I heard that Uganda Knuckles has one, too. He knows the way.

  50. @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    I would be the last one to misunderestimate a threat. The German Jews kept thinking that Hitler was just a crazy guy with a funny mustache and his followers just a bunch of low class thugs. It's just a passing fad, he'll be out in 6 months, etc.

    But I think I have a pretty good nose as to who is really a threat - (N.Korea - yes, Iran - yes, Iraq-no, Syria, no, Afghanistan -no) and these women are not a threat. Maybe if I live in SA they would be worth keeping your eye on, but to us here they are nothing more than a joke.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Yeah we get it, its always Hitler O Clock while you try to Talmudically argue black into white.

  51. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Wazoo

    "It’s a large and fast-growing segment. One report4 found that although black PhD graduates outnumbered whites for the first time in South Africa’s history in 2012, more than half of them hailed from countries such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Uganda and Kenya."

    I assure you, not all Africans are South Africans.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Jack D, @Disordered

    Just as China has some 7 foot tall basketball players, in a continent of 1.2 billion people even if the African mean IQ is below the while mean, there are still going to be a significant # of people out at the tail. If 1 in 10,000 Africans has an IQ above 130 (and 9,999 out of 10,000 don’t) then that is still 120,000 brilliant Africans. Americans are skeptical about this because the American slave population (aside from those who are mulatto) are almost all as dumb as rocks. Even the “smart” ones (Genius T. Coates) are dumb. There is no N.American equivalent to the Igbo or or other smart tribes. We got all the dumb tribes and slave breeding was dysgenic (except, ironically when they messed around with massa).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Slave breeding was not "dysgenic" from the slaveowner's perspective: they wanted livestock with desirable properties to them, of course. I don't know if they specifically avoided breeding the smart ones, but I think not.

    Replies: @MaMu1977

  52. @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    Yes they are posing, but in a sense they are absolutely correct. White people’s intervention has damaged much of Africa by introducing a technology that was needed to thrive on the harsh continent of Europe, into a continent inhabited by people who were well adapted to a low density, low technology type of hunting and farming. All this has brought Africans was a population explosion and access to Kalashnikovs and machetes. The Europeans should have stayed out of Africa and allowed them to follow whatever development path was natural for their genetics and environment. If they got to Wakanda on their own fine, if they are happier raising cattle and growing vegetable plots, that’s fine too. I think the Chinese are being pragmatic by focusing on cutting deals to obtain Africa’s natural resources, but without attempting to colonize, educate, uplift, or proselytize them into being large dusky Chinese people. All humans have the right to their own culture and self-directed destiny.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Perspective, @Disordered

    Agreed, there should be more people championing this line of thought.

  53. But the point of science, he adds, is to find solutions for real-world problems.

    The point of science, as europeans conceived it, was to discover the truth underlying the physical world.

  54. @Jack D
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Just as China has some 7 foot tall basketball players, in a continent of 1.2 billion people even if the African mean IQ is below the while mean, there are still going to be a significant # of people out at the tail. If 1 in 10,000 Africans has an IQ above 130 (and 9,999 out of 10,000 don't) then that is still 120,000 brilliant Africans. Americans are skeptical about this because the American slave population (aside from those who are mulatto) are almost all as dumb as rocks. Even the "smart" ones (Genius T. Coates) are dumb. There is no N.American equivalent to the Igbo or or other smart tribes. We got all the dumb tribes and slave breeding was dysgenic (except, ironically when they messed around with massa).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Slave breeding was not “dysgenic” from the slaveowner’s perspective: they wanted livestock with desirable properties to them, of course. I don’t know if they specifically avoided breeding the smart ones, but I think not.

    • Replies: @MaMu1977
    @Anonymous

    Smart "slaves" either committed suicide, ran away (outbreeding when possible) or rebelled like demons. Given a choice between being worked to death (with little to no benefit for yourself) or dying in a blaze of glory, I'd choose the latter.

  55. Anonymous [AKA "Outinas Theopenopoulos"] says:
    @The Man From K Street

    Makaula thinks that scientists often hide behind their disciplines’ putative universality — that a cell is a cell, whether it belongs to an African or a European, or that the laws of physics apply to all — to avoid the need to question the way they do things.
     
    Didn't we used to have an issue with people who took issue with the laws of physics being universal, and who called it Jüdische Physik?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    You refer to an embarrassing episode in German history. Nevertheless, the Nazis did come close to building an atomic bomb even though they scorned Hebrew Physics. Apparently, their repudiation of non-Aryan science was mostly display. Somehow, I think these Africans are more serious about discarding White Science.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous


    Apparently, their repudiation of non-Aryan science was mostly display.
     
    Sadly, it was not. Well, they tried to be choosy for their goals as necessity commanded. However, if you destroy a culture of research by hollowing it out, it is over. This was as inconceivable to Nazi bureaucrats then as it is to Pointy-Haired-Bosses-with-Golden-Parachutes now.

    Via https://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/2486/source-for-hilberts-famous-quote-mathematics-in-g%C3%B6ttingen-there-really-is-non


    Sitting next to the Nazis' newly appointed minister of education at a banquet, [super-famous mathematician David Hilbert] was asked, "And how is mathematics in Göttingen now that it has been freed of the Jewish influence?" "Mathematics in Göttingen?" Hilbert replied. "There is really none any more."

     

    Working on jewish stuff was fraught with danger:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_weapon_project#Heisenberg_affair


    During this time, Heisenberg came under vicious attack by the supporters of Deutsche Physik. One such attack was published in Das Schwarze Korps, the newspaper of the Schutzstaffel, or SS, headed by Heinrich Himmler. Heisenberg had been lecturing to his students about the theory of relativity, proposed by the Jewish scientist Albert Einstein. In the editorial, Himmler called Heisenberg a "White Jew" who should be made to "disappear." These verbal attacks were taken seriously, as Jews were subject to physical violence and incarceration at the time. Heisenberg fought back with an editorial and a letter to Himmler, in an attempt to get a resolution to this matter and regain his honour. At one point, Heisenberg's mother visited Himmler's mother to help bring a resolution to the affair. The two women knew each other as a result of Heisenberg's maternal grandfather and Himmler's father being rectors and members of a Bavarian hiking club. Eventually, Himmler settled the Heisenberg affair by sending two letters, one to SS-Gruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich and one to Heisenberg, both on 21 July 1938. In the letter to Heydrich, Himmler said Germany could not afford to lose or silence Heisenberg as he would be useful for teaching a generation of scientists. To Heisenberg, Himmler said the letter came on recommendation of his family and he cautioned Heisenberg to make a distinction between professional physics research results and the personal and political attitudes of the involved scientists. The letter to Heisenberg was signed under the closing "Mit freundlichem Gruss und, Heil Hitler!" ("With friendly greetings and, Heil Hitler!")
     
    Phew!!

    Meanwhile Himmler and his ilk were into crap mysticism it seems.

    Does one really want to work for shitty psychopathic civil servants in uniform? I don't think so. Deliver the cobalt 60 to the RSHA and skip town.

  56. I’ve met a fair no of white South Africans around the world over the years
    It used to be the case of “get your degree/qualification and then get out ”
    Now the young people tell me that contemporary South African qualifications are worth nothing internationally so now it’s a case of just get out

  57. Don’t expect much from African scientist.

    I remember from Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen’s ‘IQ and the Wealth of Nations’, that South Africa’s average IQ is 72.

    On that basis only 1 in 32 South Africans achieve the UK average of 100. Only 1 in 10,000 will have an IQ of 130 or above. That’s the Mensa threshold and arguably the minimum for top level science.

    The late Phill Rushdon measured the IQ of black engineering students at Witwatersrand university in Johannesburg, the average was 105.

    So in addition to endemic corruption, draconian black race preference, burgeoning identity politics, being run by the kleptocratic ANC, likely future land and asset grabs, South Africa suffers from a dearth of human capital.

    To top this, the average white IQ in South Africa is falling, likely because of the white brain drain. The cleverer more credentialed whites are leaving for Australia, the UK and the US, in droves.

  58. “I ask people, what stories do you tell yourself? Those stories shape the possibilities of what we can do.”

    This sounds like it could have been written by our Voodoo Queen here in the U.S., Oprah.

    Like much of the gooey-sounding stuff Oprah says, the sub-text can be very sinister.

    “Stories do you tell yourself”? Hmmm ….. maybe one more white atrocity from the archives of Black History month.

    “The possibilities of what we can do”? Now, be creative, here. Perhaps what OJ did to Nichole and Ron Brown provides a model.

  59. “I ask people, what stories do you tell yourself? Those stories shape the possibilities of what we can do.”

    This sounds like it could have been written by our Voodoo Queen here in the U.S., Oprah.

    Like much of the gooey-sounding stuff Oprah says, the sub-text can be very sinister.

    “Stories do you tell yourself”? Hmmm ….. maybe one more white atrocity from the archives of Black History month.

    “The possibilities of what we can do”? Now, be creative, here. Perhaps what OJ did to Nichole and Ron Brown provides a model.

  60. @Anonymous
    @The Man From K Street

    You refer to an embarrassing episode in German history. Nevertheless, the Nazis did come close to building an atomic bomb even though they scorned Hebrew Physics. Apparently, their repudiation of non-Aryan science was mostly display. Somehow, I think these Africans are more serious about discarding White Science.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Apparently, their repudiation of non-Aryan science was mostly display.

    Sadly, it was not. Well, they tried to be choosy for their goals as necessity commanded. However, if you destroy a culture of research by hollowing it out, it is over. This was as inconceivable to Nazi bureaucrats then as it is to Pointy-Haired-Bosses-with-Golden-Parachutes now.

    Via https://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/2486/source-for-hilberts-famous-quote-mathematics-in-g%C3%B6ttingen-there-really-is-non

    Sitting next to the Nazis’ newly appointed minister of education at a banquet, [super-famous mathematician David Hilbert] was asked, “And how is mathematics in Göttingen now that it has been freed of the Jewish influence?” “Mathematics in Göttingen?” Hilbert replied. “There is really none any more.”

    Working on jewish stuff was fraught with danger:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_weapon_project#Heisenberg_affair

    During this time, Heisenberg came under vicious attack by the supporters of Deutsche Physik. One such attack was published in Das Schwarze Korps, the newspaper of the Schutzstaffel, or SS, headed by Heinrich Himmler. Heisenberg had been lecturing to his students about the theory of relativity, proposed by the Jewish scientist Albert Einstein. In the editorial, Himmler called Heisenberg a “White Jew” who should be made to “disappear.” These verbal attacks were taken seriously, as Jews were subject to physical violence and incarceration at the time. Heisenberg fought back with an editorial and a letter to Himmler, in an attempt to get a resolution to this matter and regain his honour. At one point, Heisenberg’s mother visited Himmler’s mother to help bring a resolution to the affair. The two women knew each other as a result of Heisenberg’s maternal grandfather and Himmler’s father being rectors and members of a Bavarian hiking club. Eventually, Himmler settled the Heisenberg affair by sending two letters, one to SS-Gruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich and one to Heisenberg, both on 21 July 1938. In the letter to Heydrich, Himmler said Germany could not afford to lose or silence Heisenberg as he would be useful for teaching a generation of scientists. To Heisenberg, Himmler said the letter came on recommendation of his family and he cautioned Heisenberg to make a distinction between professional physics research results and the personal and political attitudes of the involved scientists. The letter to Heisenberg was signed under the closing “Mit freundlichem Gruss und, Heil Hitler!” (“With friendly greetings and, Heil Hitler!”)

    Phew!!

    Meanwhile Himmler and his ilk were into crap mysticism it seems.

    Does one really want to work for shitty psychopathic civil servants in uniform? I don’t think so. Deliver the cobalt 60 to the RSHA and skip town.

  61. The most depressing thing about reading Steve for over a decade is that once or twice a week you’ll read something he posts like this and think, “That’s it. The Globo-Homo Left finally hit peak full retard.”

    Only to see something even dumber in a couple of days. Rinse. Repeat.

    The Ultimate Black Pill; there is no peak full retard.

  62. @Faraday's Bobcat
    This has a lot in common with what's going on in US colleges: a refusal to learn, stemming from a titanic ego. The "woke" minorities think they are in college to educate the professors, not the other way around. They will only accept instruction from a person with more diversity points than themselves. Otherwise it's all, "You don't know what it's like to be me, so don't try to tell me I should avoid splitting infinitives."

    I wonder where science would be if Newton had gone up to Cambridge and instead of learning with humility had preened around yelling, "You don't know what it's like to be a farm kid with no father, so don't you posh dons go forcing me to solve for x."

    Replies: @Yada yada

    You’re hilarious. I love it.

  63. Don’t tell me that Africans don’t believe in magic anymore. Whites do everything by their magic power apparently. The Africans just need the right juju formula. “Do do that voodoo that you do so well…”

  64. @Jack D
    @Chris Marsk

    Of course they have no word for research. Research was not a thing to them. Research is STILL not a thing to them. Research is NEVER going to be a thing with them because research is done by people with IQ's of 120 and up and they don't have many of those.

    I have no word for "a pumpkin that is cooked before it is fully ripened and served with mealie meal" because I don't cook pumpkins before they are ripe and serve them with mealie meal but any Xhosa 6 year old could tell you that is Umxoxozi.

    Replies: @Yada yada

    They also never invented a written language either.

  65. @MEH 0910

    Perhaps Ms. Nordling is related to O.J. Simpson’s character in The Naked Gun?
     
    O.J.'s character was named Nordberg. BTW, it was a honky who played the original Norberg on the television series Police Squad! (which The Naked Gun movies were a spin-off from). I have to say to O.J.'s credit that he was hilarious in the Nordberg role.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ed0Ag6g5g

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I watched all of Police Story and the Naked Gun movies in the past year. They were really stupid and really funny.

  66. Shame. I guess if real science isn’t in the cards, positive thinking and superstition will do.

  67. They aren’t really de-colonizing, they are selectively de-colonizing Whites. The Xhosa are the only Knee-grows native to South Africa, all others, including the Bantus and Zulus began colonizing about the same time as the Boers. The other Knee-grows swarming to South Africa under White rule, including St. Nelson’s family, colonized South Africa in the same way the Chinese, and the 3rd world sludge are currently colonizing Europe and North America.

  68. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…Elon Musk was a immigrant.”

    It seems complicated… Elon Musk (wikipedia):

    “…the son of Maye Musk (née Haldeman), a model and dietician from Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada…

    …His paternal grandmother was British, and he also has Pennsylvania Dutch ancestry

    …His maternal grandfather was American, from Minnesota

    …He moved to Canada… after obtaining Canadian citizenship through his Canadian-born mother…”

  69. This has to be an Onion parody, right?

  70. @Clifford Brown
    Quality discussion on the Decolonization of Science and Black Magic in South Africa.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jack D, @Luke Lea, @Fred G.

    Reminds me of lines from a poem by C. S. Lewis: “To the Author of The Flowering Rifle“.

    Fashions in polysyllables may fright
    Those Charlies on the left of whom you write;
    No wonder; since it was from them you learned
    How white to black by jargon can be turned….

    This discussion makes the last line into a delicious double-entendre.

    The one intelligent remark in the whole video: “It’s Not True!”

  71. @Anon
    We need a new field of academic research and study called Wakandonics.

    It questions why blacks possess 'idolic' power as 'heroes' and 'giants'(and even 'gods') but fail to create and maintain great civilizations, whereas people without such 'idolic' power have done so much more.

    One says 'white racism!' Other side says Hype is no basis of real society. Amplification of celebrity has really messed with people's sense of what really matters.

    Replies: @Logan

    You know, there’s another group with such delusions.

    There’s a whole community online of believers in “Vedic science,” the notion that ancient India was vastly advanced technologically, with energy weapons, airplanes, telecommunications, etc.

    I used to drop by their discussion groups once in a while and ask how such advanced and numerous people managed to get themselves conquered by a few thousand men from a small rainy island on the other side of the world. Immense and entertaining indignation invariably ensued.

  72. @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    Yes they are posing, but in a sense they are absolutely correct. White people’s intervention has damaged much of Africa by introducing a technology that was needed to thrive on the harsh continent of Europe, into a continent inhabited by people who were well adapted to a low density, low technology type of hunting and farming. All this has brought Africans was a population explosion and access to Kalashnikovs and machetes. The Europeans should have stayed out of Africa and allowed them to follow whatever development path was natural for their genetics and environment. If they got to Wakanda on their own fine, if they are happier raising cattle and growing vegetable plots, that’s fine too. I think the Chinese are being pragmatic by focusing on cutting deals to obtain Africa’s natural resources, but without attempting to colonize, educate, uplift, or proselytize them into being large dusky Chinese people. All humans have the right to their own culture and self-directed destiny.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Perspective, @Disordered

    Agreed with the main point about Africans. Although I doubt they would now want the West to leave completely, not with more and more Africans using Western consumer tech.

    Also, maybe it’s just me, but I think the Chinese are going to fall into the same mistake the US did when cutting deals with other Third World nations, namely that these will be unstable and get into massive debt, not honoring credit obligations. It happened to the US with Latin America in the late 20th century, for example, where today due to those debts China has stepped in and built up lots of infrastructure – and gained several debtors. This in turn will make China follow the same kind of imperial decay the US did, namely credit over-expansion, currency appreciation, and worker dislocation, with the Chinese eventually hiring Africans to “do the jobs the Chinese won’t do”… and all of this not counting any potential rebellion in the African nations against the local elites selling out their country, which might force the PLA’s first international expeditions to defend Chinese investment… so yeah, maybe they should keep intervening in Africa, won’t hurt them lol.

  73. @Nigerian Nationalist
    @Wazoo

    "It’s a large and fast-growing segment. One report4 found that although black PhD graduates outnumbered whites for the first time in South Africa’s history in 2012, more than half of them hailed from countries such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Uganda and Kenya."

    I assure you, not all Africans are South Africans.

    Replies: @dr kill, @Jack D, @Disordered

    Maybe so. I’ve heard from other Africans how some tribes/countries are seriously inferior to others, at least in their opinion. A Somali-Ethiopian once told me she thought the problem with African-Americans was that they were all West Africans. I assume you obviously disagree, and I certainly don’t know the truth, but it’s still interesting to see how really all races aren’t that homogeneous a group, and go through clannish internal bickering – even whites too, as the many countries of Europe have historically shown.

    Also, I still wonder what Nigeria does with alllllll of that oil money. Then again, other African countries must be much worse without such resource, even if lots of misuse of funds occurs. Thus, I wonder how long will the Third World take to close the gap, if ever. This article does not raise a lot of hopes…

  74. @Reactionary Utopian
    Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh. Hee, hee, hee. Ho, ho.

    Ready to watch the glorious rise of Wakandan tech! Making some popcorn now. What the hell — when the bridges fall, during construction most likely, it’ll be my fault somehow. Might as well have a few laughs in the meantime.

    I wonder if they “fucking love science?” Bet they don’t even heavy-petting love math ...

    Replies: @Bizarro World Observer

    Yeah, except those bridges will never be built. The way things are going in South Africa, what infrastructure there is now will have gone back to the earth in 75 years or so.

  75. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Slave breeding was not "dysgenic" from the slaveowner's perspective: they wanted livestock with desirable properties to them, of course. I don't know if they specifically avoided breeding the smart ones, but I think not.

    Replies: @MaMu1977

    Smart “slaves” either committed suicide, ran away (outbreeding when possible) or rebelled like demons. Given a choice between being worked to death (with little to no benefit for yourself) or dying in a blaze of glory, I’d choose the latter.

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