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With Democrats promoting anti-vaxxer tropes in the fall to counter the Trump Administration’s (now successful) strategy of removing roadblocks to ultra-fast vaccine development, Pfizer was in a delicate position.

From Gallup:

OCTOBER 12, 2020
Americans’ Readiness to Get COVID-19 Vaccine Falls to 50%
BY LYDIA SAAD

The decline in Americans’ readiness to be vaccinated obscures divergent trends among party groups, with Republicans showing increased willingness to be vaccinated but Democrats and independents showing decreased comfort levels.

After two months of Democrats being more likely than Republicans to say they would be vaccinated, about half of all political party groups now say they would get the vaccine. This marks a new low among Democrats and independents, while Republicans’ interest in getting the vaccine has returned to the levels recorded in July, up from their low point in late August.

Americans’ willingness to be vaccinated right away if an FDA-approved vaccine to prevent COVID-19 was available among partisans since July. Currently, 53% of Democrats, 49% of Republicans and 47% of independents would get the vaccine. Democrats and independents have become less willing but Republicans have become more willing.

Democrats’ reduced confidence follows President Donald Trump’s Labor Day announcement that a coronavirus vaccine could be ready in October, as well as subsequent news reports stating that Trump is eager to see a vaccine delivered before the election. Trump’s accelerated timeline does not align with that of many government health experts, and this disagreement has raised concerns as to whether a vaccine distributed that soon would be effective and safe.

Democrats may be answering Gallup’s question about getting an FDA-approved vaccine “right now” in the context of Trump’s position, not as a hypothetical scenario. However, a recent CNN poll also found a decline in public willingness to get the vaccine, from 56% in August to 51% in early October, without mentioning a timeframe. That question reads, “If a vaccine to prevent coronavirus infection were widely available at a low cost, would you, personally, try to get that vaccine, or not?”

Taking the two results together, it appears some Americans have lost confidence in the safety of the approval process for the vaccine, and are not merely answering as if a vaccine were literally available “right now.”

Pfizer couldn’t apply for FDA approval of its vaccine until the second half of November because the FDA had mandated two months of safety data. But Pfizer had published its clinical protocol, which included this table on p. 103 laying out four interim analyses of the efficacy (rather than the safety) of the vaccine:

If I recall correctly, the Pfizer CEO had led investors to believe that they would announce results of the interim analyses if the results proved either so good (according to the numbers above) that the trial was a success or was a futile failure, but not necessarily if the results were in the Keep Going middle range.

New virus cases among volunteers came in a little slower than expected because the vaccine was so effective, but at some point it became clear that the case count would soon trigger the first interim analysis and perhaps even the second Before the Election.

But if Pfizer announced the efficacy of its vaccine by November 2, The Establishment would come down on it and its fledgling vaccine like a landslide. The announcement would probably give Trump a tiny boost, but he was so far behind in the polls that it looked like Pfizer would be dealing with the Biden Administration for the next four years in any case.

Not surprisingly, Pfizer appears to have decided to take a knee and run out the clock by shutting down processing of nasal swabs so it could claim to the SEC that it didn’t know it had reached enough cases to trigger the called-for interim analyses.

 
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  1. Yet Republicans are still less likely to be willing to be vaccinated, but you won’t hear money-grubbing coward Steve Sailer issue a condemnation of that.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Anonymous

    Lovely. Steve and we appreciate your words.

  2. So are you saying they deliberately postponed the announcement of the new vaccine until after the election so Trump couldn’t take credit for it? Like Iran releasing the hostages right after Reagan’s election?

    Or not?

    • Replies: @epebble
    @obwandiyag

    They were afraid that a vaccine announced just before election might be stigmatized as Trump vaccine and that might lower its overall value. So, they tried an arms-length announcement so that no one can accuse them of being pressured by Trump administration to cut corners for speed. In this instance, the way to get vaccine announcement before the election might have been for Trump to remain silent about when it will be announced.

    , @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @obwandiyag

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/were-saved-bidens-covid-science-team-will-have-intersectional-pokemon-points-galore/#comment-4274629

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/were-saved-bidens-covid-science-team-will-have-intersectional-pokemon-points-galore/#comment-4274505

    Just a small sample. There's tons more if you want to search.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @obwandiyag

    Kamala Harris saying she wouldn't trust any vaccine approved under Trump didn't have anything to do with it either.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @obwandiyag

    The Iranian hostages were not released until January 20, 1981, over two months after Ronald Reagan's election. He won in a landslide.

    Tiny Duck had a better grasp of history.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @indocon, @obwandiyag

  3. How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    • Agree: Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    @Peterike

    No kidding. The side-effect ratio for most vaccines is higher than the CFR for Covid-19. What a joke!

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Peterike


    Currently, 53% of Democrats, 49% of Republicans and 47% of independents would get the vaccine.
     
    Don't these numbers imply that Americans understand the corona-panic is a scam? If they really believed they were at risk from the New Plague, they'd be begging for the vaccine, side effects be damned.

    Replies: @JackOH, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Wielgus

    , @Anonymous
    @Peterike

    Because the survival rate is not 99.9%, and a million people have already died from it. It is comments such as this that make conservatives have a reputation for being stupid, and laughed at by liberals.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Peterike


    Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

     

    We don't; that's why vaccinations will have to made mandatory.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy

    , @J.Ross
    @Peterike

    And why make a vaccine for a type of virus which will surely mutate rapidly enough to render the vaccine completely useless? And why does anyone need a vaccine if we have warehouses full of a nearly-free cure already?
    You know what this really is, is a Russian noblewoman gambling at cards with another Russian noblewoman, and we're the serf in the kitty.

    , @My Pseudonymic Handle
    @Peterike

    Why?

    Because the great and glorious god Bill Gates said so dufus.

    Bill, "The Eugenicist", Gates has declared this the decade of the vaccine.

    So, get with the program, roll up your sleeve, accept your tracking chip, sterilization injection and immunological certificate while you still have the chance.

    , @Liza
    @Peterike

    We keep getting that "safe and effective" mantra for all vaccines. However, if they were so safe, why did the government establish a vaccine injury compensation plan for children (and adults) who can demonstrate that they were harmed by a vaccination? A Plan that leaves the vaccine mfrs unliable and unharmed by these damages - and paid for by the good ol' Amerikwan taxpayer. A Plan that has so far paid out $4,484,709,478.09. And there's plenty of folks who don't even know about this Plan, so they don't even bother filing a claim. They see that their little Jimmy was a completely normal baby until he got his shots - usually a whole bunch all in the same day - and then he was never anything approaching normal again. Doctors tell the parents that this is some sort of weird anomaly, they don't know why little Jimmy, who was utterly normal in his development, now can't focus his eyes; and spends the rest of his life drooling, wearing diapers into adulthood, and unable to even speak.

    Go ahead, have yourselves and your kids done. I won't shed a tear for any of you.

    Replies: @Alden

  4. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    These freakin homos believe all these things simultaneously:

    Masks work
    New lockdowns are needed, maybe until a vaccine
    The new vaccine is bad
    Trump doesn’t get any credit for the vaccine
    COVID is being spread by selfish Republican rednecks
    Biden dance parties and the immolation of cities don’t spread COVID
    Colored folks are adversely affected by COVID

    Anything else?

  5. “Big Pharma wants to hurt the GOP” conspiracy wasn’t plausible.

    They are scared of appearing pro-Trump, and want to avoid having partisan Dems attack their vaccine, both seem right.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  6. It’s probably just flukey data. Look at the R-curve. It’s a difference of 2 percentage points since this summer. How big is the margin of error?

    Is there a choice of an answer that goes something like “I don’t even care when any virus comes out, as this whole thing is an overblown PanicFest”?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The number of infections per day are rising. Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations. The death rate if not rising is not falling now over 245,000 victims, far more than from influenza deaths in an average winter.. How can so many commentators on this forum insist that the covid pandemic is not real, that it is part of a plot, that a vaccine is not needed?

    On another subject, about the veracity of the vote count, aside Pennsylvania where there may well have been some serious hanky-panky, how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost? If the ballots in those Republican-led states are accepted as having been counted honestly - I have not heard differently - and if other down-ballot Republican candidates won in Georgia and Arizona, but Trump lost narrowly, that to my mind leads to this conclusion. Enough 2016 Trump voters changed their minds about him and decided not to vote for him again. That seems to me the simplest explanation which is always to be preferred to promoting complicated conspiracies that cannot be proved. The republic will survive even with this most unimpressive president. We survived Jerry Ford, we will survive Joe Biden. Biden says he will open the borders to illegal immigrants. Hopefully the pandemic and the economic depression will limit the amount of new illegals. The more illegals he lets on, the more likely the Dems will lose the next presidential election to the Republican candidate, hopefully not Donald Trump.

    Replies: @Alden, @VivaLaMigra, @William Badwhite, @EdwardM

  7. @obwandiyag
    So are you saying they deliberately postponed the announcement of the new vaccine until after the election so Trump couldn't take credit for it? Like Iran releasing the hostages right after Reagan's election?

    Or not?

    Replies: @epebble, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Redneck farmer, @Diversity Heretic

    They were afraid that a vaccine announced just before election might be stigmatized as Trump vaccine and that might lower its overall value. So, they tried an arms-length announcement so that no one can accuse them of being pressured by Trump administration to cut corners for speed. In this instance, the way to get vaccine announcement before the election might have been for Trump to remain silent about when it will be announced.

  8. @Peterike
    How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @J.Ross, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Liza

    No kidding. The side-effect ratio for most vaccines is higher than the CFR for Covid-19. What a joke!

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  9. Didn’t Trump (that is, US taxpayers) pay more than one company? Why this intense focus on Pfizer which wasn’t even a core component of his strategy? If he wouldn’t have procrastinated until 4/29, his moonshot might have had a chance.

  10. @Peterike
    How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @J.Ross, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Liza

    Currently, 53% of Democrats, 49% of Republicans and 47% of independents would get the vaccine.

    Don’t these numbers imply that Americans understand the corona-panic is a scam? If they really believed they were at risk from the New Plague, they’d be begging for the vaccine, side effects be damned.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Hypnotoad666

    Good point, Hypno. I'm sort of wondering how the Big Pharma-inspired opioid crisis, massive and obviously manipulative direct-to-consumer ads for prescription drugs, and Big Pharma's legislated exemption from civil and criminal liability for bad side effects (barring willful misconduct) plays into that roughly 50% figure. Ditto, the anti-vaxxers' moderate success in alerting popular opinion there may be something wrong with some vaccines.

    Unlike previous years, I did have a flu shot this year. It was a judgment call on my part, weighing pros and cons, and not an automatic response to the nurse's suggestion.

    , @My Pseudonymic Handle
    @Hypnotoad666

    I predict that in order to get compliance the MSM will show people lining up by the thousands to get injected with their population reduction serum. Even if they have to use CGI or cardboard cutouts to give the impression of near total compliance.

    , @Wielgus
    @Hypnotoad666

    It does suggest skepticism despite something like 10 months of "we're all gonna die!" on the news.

  11. @obwandiyag
    So are you saying they deliberately postponed the announcement of the new vaccine until after the election so Trump couldn't take credit for it? Like Iran releasing the hostages right after Reagan's election?

    Or not?

    Replies: @epebble, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Redneck farmer, @Diversity Heretic

  12. First mRNA vaccine for human use if approved. It will be nice to know if it doesn’t kill one in a matter of weeks, but what about longer term safety, with issues like triggering autoimmune responses? You can take my place in the queue.

  13. @Peterike
    How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @J.Ross, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Liza

    Because the survival rate is not 99.9%, and a million people have already died from it. It is comments such as this that make conservatives have a reputation for being stupid, and laughed at by liberals.

    • Troll: VinnyVette
  14. This vaccine already had its purpose, which was to make Pfizer’s CEO richer, selling 60% of his stock on the day of the announcement (yeah, no insider trading, sure).

    I think that by now most people realize that “corona” was mostly a scam, and still most people don’t really discuss it and just go along with the rules. Why?

    The answer is simple, people just don’t want to admit they’ve been had:
    “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” (Mark Twain)

  15. @Hypnotoad666
    @Peterike


    Currently, 53% of Democrats, 49% of Republicans and 47% of independents would get the vaccine.
     
    Don't these numbers imply that Americans understand the corona-panic is a scam? If they really believed they were at risk from the New Plague, they'd be begging for the vaccine, side effects be damned.

    Replies: @JackOH, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Wielgus

    Good point, Hypno. I’m sort of wondering how the Big Pharma-inspired opioid crisis, massive and obviously manipulative direct-to-consumer ads for prescription drugs, and Big Pharma’s legislated exemption from civil and criminal liability for bad side effects (barring willful misconduct) plays into that roughly 50% figure. Ditto, the anti-vaxxers’ moderate success in alerting popular opinion there may be something wrong with some vaccines.

    Unlike previous years, I did have a flu shot this year. It was a judgment call on my part, weighing pros and cons, and not an automatic response to the nurse’s suggestion.

  16. This whole business is reminiscent of the 1960 election. At the time Chicagoland would always wait for downstate to release its results to see how many votes it needed to manufacture.

    The Democratic Party of today may be fracturing between the Pelosi wing and the AOC wing but it’s still basically incarnated by Obama, a product of the Chicago machine and issue of the tense marriage between corrupt Irish amd Jewish mobsters and flagging crusty WASPs on the one hand and thoughtless PJs on the other. What makes anyone think the modern Democratic Party is different in its scruples from the Chicago machine of old?

  17. I’ve read RFK Jr is an anti vaxxer.

  18. @obwandiyag
    So are you saying they deliberately postponed the announcement of the new vaccine until after the election so Trump couldn't take credit for it? Like Iran releasing the hostages right after Reagan's election?

    Or not?

    Replies: @epebble, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Redneck farmer, @Diversity Heretic

    Kamala Harris saying she wouldn’t trust any vaccine approved under Trump didn’t have anything to do with it either.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Redneck farmer

    Yeah, that line astounded me. She really is not a bright person. Clearly Trump isn't going to be promoting any vaccine that wasn't approved by the FDA and promoted by "the public health professionals." The pettiness and stupidity of TDS clowns like her never ceases to amaze.


    “If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it – absolutely,” Harris said. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.”
     
  19. Steve,

    You may want to consider the possibility that you are being led astray by dread fear.

    This study is bs and they will never measure actual effectiveness.

    They will also blame the increasing death rate caused by vaccine-induced binding antibodies on mutating virus strains.

    Get up to speed on this, quick.

    • Replies: @My Pseudonymic Handle
    @Aanoon

    A good starting point to catch up:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/11/joseph-mercola/how-covid-19-vaccine-can-destroy-your-immune-system/

  20. @obwandiyag
    So are you saying they deliberately postponed the announcement of the new vaccine until after the election so Trump couldn't take credit for it? Like Iran releasing the hostages right after Reagan's election?

    Or not?

    Replies: @epebble, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Redneck farmer, @Diversity Heretic

    The Iranian hostages were not released until January 20, 1981, over two months after Ronald Reagan’s election. He won in a landslide.

    Tiny Duck had a better grasp of history.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Diversity Heretic

    January 20 was the day of Reagan's inauguration. The hostages were released literally as Reagan was taking the oath of office.

    , @indocon
    @Diversity Heretic

    Impact was the same.

    It's time to think of a scary possibility - demented Biden ends up like Regan, virus goes away next year just like inflation (virus of 1970s) went away in 1982, Fed keeps pumping money, Republicans keep cucking. All these fantasies about 2022 and 2024 and hispanics and blah blah come burning down and Biden wins 45 states in 2024.

    Replies: @Ximenes, @Paul Jolliffe

    , @obwandiyag
    @Diversity Heretic

    You think 2 months is a long time? You absolutely must be a child.

  21. @Peterike
    How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @J.Ross, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Liza

    Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    We don’t; that’s why vaccinations will have to made mandatory.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @Diversity Heretic

    Can you imagine the financial rewards the side effects of a mandatory vaccine will produce? It will be a gift that keeps giving to the Rockefeller health care complex.

  22. “Anti-vaxxer tropes”? Good grief, Steve needs to educate himself. Vaccines are a gigantic scam. They have nothing to do with protecting health and preventing illness. They are about money and control — or possibly far worse; see the documentary series by James Corbett of The Corbett Report about Bill Gates and what he seems to be up to. But for starters, there is JFK Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense and the National Vaccine Information Center. And needless to say, anyone intelligent enough to visit The Unz Review should not trust a word that comes out of the mouth of the Mendacious Midget, Anthony Fauci; he is beyond corrupt, as Judy Mikovits and others have proven beyond any doubt.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @David Bauer

    Joe Biden is all about control, no doubt. In one of his most compelling campaign ads, he says "We must get control over the virus!"

    What's Joe going to do? Is he going to grab a pair of tweezers and start snatching them out of the air? No. What he means is "We must get control over people!" by mandating their behavior.

    Same thing with "climate change" - is he going to go around with special CO2 traps to capture individual molecules of this gas? No, the Democrats will use the issue to control people - gain political power, always their motive.

    , @Matthew Richer
    @David Bauer

    I agree. I wrote about vaccines for VDARE a while back. "Immigration Patriots and Vaccine Skeptics: A Natural Alliance [https://vdare.com/articles/immigration-patriots-and-vaccine-skeptics-a-natural-alliance]

    The open borders Left is fanatically pro-mandatory vaccination, and the Patriotic Right is not talking about this nearly enough.

  23. @Redneck farmer
    @obwandiyag

    Kamala Harris saying she wouldn't trust any vaccine approved under Trump didn't have anything to do with it either.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Yeah, that line astounded me. She really is not a bright person. Clearly Trump isn’t going to be promoting any vaccine that wasn’t approved by the FDA and promoted by “the public health professionals.” The pettiness and stupidity of TDS clowns like her never ceases to amaze.

    “If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it – absolutely,” Harris said. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it.”

  24. @Diversity Heretic
    @Peterike


    Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

     

    We don't; that's why vaccinations will have to made mandatory.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy

    Can you imagine the financial rewards the side effects of a mandatory vaccine will produce? It will be a gift that keeps giving to the Rockefeller health care complex.

  25. @Diversity Heretic
    @obwandiyag

    The Iranian hostages were not released until January 20, 1981, over two months after Ronald Reagan's election. He won in a landslide.

    Tiny Duck had a better grasp of history.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @indocon, @obwandiyag

    January 20 was the day of Reagan’s inauguration. The hostages were released literally as Reagan was taking the oath of office.

  26. @David Bauer
    "Anti-vaxxer tropes"? Good grief, Steve needs to educate himself. Vaccines are a gigantic scam. They have nothing to do with protecting health and preventing illness. They are about money and control -- or possibly far worse; see the documentary series by James Corbett of The Corbett Report about Bill Gates and what he seems to be up to. But for starters, there is JFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense and the National Vaccine Information Center. And needless to say, anyone intelligent enough to visit The Unz Review should not trust a word that comes out of the mouth of the Mendacious Midget, Anthony Fauci; he is beyond corrupt, as Judy Mikovits and others have proven beyond any doubt.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Matthew Richer

    Joe Biden is all about control, no doubt. In one of his most compelling campaign ads, he says “We must get control over the virus!”

    What’s Joe going to do? Is he going to grab a pair of tweezers and start snatching them out of the air? No. What he means is “We must get control over people!” by mandating their behavior.

    Same thing with “climate change” – is he going to go around with special CO2 traps to capture individual molecules of this gas? No, the Democrats will use the issue to control people – gain political power, always their motive.

  27. @Peterike
    How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @J.Ross, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Liza

    And why make a vaccine for a type of virus which will surely mutate rapidly enough to render the vaccine completely useless? And why does anyone need a vaccine if we have warehouses full of a nearly-free cure already?
    You know what this really is, is a Russian noblewoman gambling at cards with another Russian noblewoman, and we’re the serf in the kitty.

  28. Given the remarkably high effectiveness rate of the vaccines, it is obviously the way out of the pandemic. Such high rates of initial success almost certainly mean that the other worries people had about vaccines — that they would not be of lasting effect, etc. — are very unlikely to be real issues. The vaccine basically nukes the virus. Masks and lockdowns are at best very short term measures to hold off the virus until people take the vaccine.

    So the real issue now is: who will take it and when?

    The people who should get it first are, of course, those who are vulnerable. But the number of people falling into that category should be relatively small in the proportion of the population. And I’d expect that virtually all will agree to take it. Perhaps in the first month or two of distribution (by the end of February?), most of the truly vulnerable will be covered. At that time, the death rate should plummet to extremely low levels. Indeed, at that time one might almost declare the pandemic over, since the remaining people will not be vulnerable to serious effects.

    But of course given the current hysteria, people will still freak out about the possibility of getting it, even though it will not be more risky than an ordinary flu for them.

    But the problem is that the anti-vaxxers will have been undermining faith in the vaccine. Now the Democrats have mostly been the ones to push anti-vaxxine tropes. I can see how this might continue, to a point, because they need to give Biden and themselves a win on fighting the virus. If Biden was elected to do anything, it was to correct Trump’s handling of the virus. Can they really accept that their pushing masks and lockdowns instead of vaccines was just shortsighted, wrong, and showed no faith in scientific progress, and that Trump was right?

    The big question will be how much these anti-vaxxer sentiments will continue, and who promotes them.

    • Disagree: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    I have a feeling that Biden is soon going to look as if he's been all dressed up in a mask with nowhere to go.

    , @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    An interesting question is when, exactly, will the death rate start to plummet?

    It takes two weeks for the full vaccination to take place for an individual, and, I think, roughly two further weeks for someone to die after infection without a vaccine, so about a month for most individuals to be spared death by the vaccine. When will the most vulnerable get a vaccine? Perhaps starting in December?

    So maybe around, say, January 20 the death rate will start a noticeable decline?

    Likely, though, a bit later, given the bureaucracies involved.

    Replies: @candid_observer

  29. @candid_observer
    Given the remarkably high effectiveness rate of the vaccines, it is obviously the way out of the pandemic. Such high rates of initial success almost certainly mean that the other worries people had about vaccines -- that they would not be of lasting effect, etc. -- are very unlikely to be real issues. The vaccine basically nukes the virus. Masks and lockdowns are at best very short term measures to hold off the virus until people take the vaccine.

    So the real issue now is: who will take it and when?

    The people who should get it first are, of course, those who are vulnerable. But the number of people falling into that category should be relatively small in the proportion of the population. And I'd expect that virtually all will agree to take it. Perhaps in the first month or two of distribution (by the end of February?), most of the truly vulnerable will be covered. At that time, the death rate should plummet to extremely low levels. Indeed, at that time one might almost declare the pandemic over, since the remaining people will not be vulnerable to serious effects.

    But of course given the current hysteria, people will still freak out about the possibility of getting it, even though it will not be more risky than an ordinary flu for them.

    But the problem is that the anti-vaxxers will have been undermining faith in the vaccine. Now the Democrats have mostly been the ones to push anti-vaxxine tropes. I can see how this might continue, to a point, because they need to give Biden and themselves a win on fighting the virus. If Biden was elected to do anything, it was to correct Trump's handling of the virus. Can they really accept that their pushing masks and lockdowns instead of vaccines was just shortsighted, wrong, and showed no faith in scientific progress, and that Trump was right?

    The big question will be how much these anti-vaxxer sentiments will continue, and who promotes them.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @candid_observer

    I have a feeling that Biden is soon going to look as if he’s been all dressed up in a mask with nowhere to go.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  30. @David Bauer
    "Anti-vaxxer tropes"? Good grief, Steve needs to educate himself. Vaccines are a gigantic scam. They have nothing to do with protecting health and preventing illness. They are about money and control -- or possibly far worse; see the documentary series by James Corbett of The Corbett Report about Bill Gates and what he seems to be up to. But for starters, there is JFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense and the National Vaccine Information Center. And needless to say, anyone intelligent enough to visit The Unz Review should not trust a word that comes out of the mouth of the Mendacious Midget, Anthony Fauci; he is beyond corrupt, as Judy Mikovits and others have proven beyond any doubt.

    Replies: @Anon7, @Matthew Richer

    I agree. I wrote about vaccines for VDARE a while back. “Immigration Patriots and Vaccine Skeptics: A Natural Alliance (https://vdare.com/articles/immigration-patriots-and-vaccine-skeptics-a-natural-alliance%5D

    The open borders Left is fanatically pro-mandatory vaccination, and the Patriotic Right is not talking about this nearly enough.

    • Thanks: PhilK
  31. @candid_observer
    Given the remarkably high effectiveness rate of the vaccines, it is obviously the way out of the pandemic. Such high rates of initial success almost certainly mean that the other worries people had about vaccines -- that they would not be of lasting effect, etc. -- are very unlikely to be real issues. The vaccine basically nukes the virus. Masks and lockdowns are at best very short term measures to hold off the virus until people take the vaccine.

    So the real issue now is: who will take it and when?

    The people who should get it first are, of course, those who are vulnerable. But the number of people falling into that category should be relatively small in the proportion of the population. And I'd expect that virtually all will agree to take it. Perhaps in the first month or two of distribution (by the end of February?), most of the truly vulnerable will be covered. At that time, the death rate should plummet to extremely low levels. Indeed, at that time one might almost declare the pandemic over, since the remaining people will not be vulnerable to serious effects.

    But of course given the current hysteria, people will still freak out about the possibility of getting it, even though it will not be more risky than an ordinary flu for them.

    But the problem is that the anti-vaxxers will have been undermining faith in the vaccine. Now the Democrats have mostly been the ones to push anti-vaxxine tropes. I can see how this might continue, to a point, because they need to give Biden and themselves a win on fighting the virus. If Biden was elected to do anything, it was to correct Trump's handling of the virus. Can they really accept that their pushing masks and lockdowns instead of vaccines was just shortsighted, wrong, and showed no faith in scientific progress, and that Trump was right?

    The big question will be how much these anti-vaxxer sentiments will continue, and who promotes them.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @candid_observer

    An interesting question is when, exactly, will the death rate start to plummet?

    It takes two weeks for the full vaccination to take place for an individual, and, I think, roughly two further weeks for someone to die after infection without a vaccine, so about a month for most individuals to be spared death by the vaccine. When will the most vulnerable get a vaccine? Perhaps starting in December?

    So maybe around, say, January 20 the death rate will start a noticeable decline?

    Likely, though, a bit later, given the bureaucracies involved.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    I think it's going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero. It'll seem just a trifle totalitarian.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Alden, @VivaLaMigra

  32. @Diversity Heretic
    @obwandiyag

    The Iranian hostages were not released until January 20, 1981, over two months after Ronald Reagan's election. He won in a landslide.

    Tiny Duck had a better grasp of history.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @indocon, @obwandiyag

    Impact was the same.

    It’s time to think of a scary possibility – demented Biden ends up like Regan, virus goes away next year just like inflation (virus of 1970s) went away in 1982, Fed keeps pumping money, Republicans keep cucking. All these fantasies about 2022 and 2024 and hispanics and blah blah come burning down and Biden wins 45 states in 2024.

    • Replies: @Ximenes
    @indocon

    When he's 82?

    Replies: @indocon

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @indocon

    So, if Biden is like Reagan, are you implying that by the end of March, 2021, that a”lone nut” will pull a John Hinckley and Kamala Harris will be in the White House before baseball’s opening day?

    Hmm.

    Personally I doubt it - the Deep State can get everything they want from Biden now. No need for further action.

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra

  33. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    An interesting question is when, exactly, will the death rate start to plummet?

    It takes two weeks for the full vaccination to take place for an individual, and, I think, roughly two further weeks for someone to die after infection without a vaccine, so about a month for most individuals to be spared death by the vaccine. When will the most vulnerable get a vaccine? Perhaps starting in December?

    So maybe around, say, January 20 the death rate will start a noticeable decline?

    Likely, though, a bit later, given the bureaucracies involved.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    I think it’s going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero. It’ll seem just a trifle totalitarian.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @candid_observer

    "I think it’s going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero."

    The death rate is pretty near zero now but Biden voters support all of his mandates, because Trump had "no plan." The public only knows what the media want them to know.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    , @Alden
    @candid_observer

    The DNC controlled media will just keep on lying about covid hoax as usual. DNC media will write and proclaim anything as long as it supports the latest liberal cause.

    , @VivaLaMigra
    @candid_observer

    ...and, given what we've just witnessed, what makes you think that anything "seem[ing] justa trifle totalitarian..." means that the Libtards won't push it anyway? They're getting away with massive vote fraud. "Mail-in voting" is here to stay. Anyone who dares suggest that it be eliminated for the 2022 midterms is surely going to be accused of "voter suppression," right?

  34. One question that also comes up, now that we have a very effective vaccine: who should get priority in getting it?

    Health care workers, for example, had been planned to be among the first to get a vaccine, presumably on the assumption that they would be more likely to pass it on if they got it.

    But if the only patients who might be seriously at risk have very low probability of getting serious effects if they get a vaccine, doesn’t it make much more sense to target those vulnerable patients first? Generally, infectiousness is a minor issue if the effectiveness is so very high.

    Obviously, this should be modeled to make out the numbers, but it seems likely to me that the high effectiveness might change the priorities.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    I don't know what the numbers have been lately, but in the worst stages of the pandemic for deaths, over 50% of the deaths were in nursing homes or the like, but, as I remember, only about .6% of the population were in that category.

    If we were to give the very first vaccinations to those in nursing homes, might that not immediately cut the death rate by close to half?

  35. @Peterike
    How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @J.Ross, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Liza

    Why?

    Because the great and glorious god Bill Gates said so dufus.

    Bill, “The Eugenicist”, Gates has declared this the decade of the vaccine.

    So, get with the program, roll up your sleeve, accept your tracking chip, sterilization injection and immunological certificate while you still have the chance.

  36. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    I think it's going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero. It'll seem just a trifle totalitarian.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Alden, @VivaLaMigra

    “I think it’s going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero.”

    The death rate is pretty near zero now but Biden voters support all of his mandates, because Trump had “no plan.” The public only knows what the media want them to know.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Joseph Doaks

    I certainly expect that the case rate vs death rate war will continue. Biden and the media will keep harping on cases, because that's what they've got and what they need. Followers will follow.

    But there are people in the middle who can see both the case for a lockdown (so far), and that for opening up the economy. It's going to be increasingly frustrating to them to see lockdowns in place whose purpose is, well, just what?

    To date, the case for lockdowns has always ultimately been about saving Granny. Even if you or your kids aren't vulnerable, how about your older loved ones? Do you want to have you or your kids killing Granny?

    But if Granny is perfectly safe, where does this argument go?

    Partisans aside, people aren't that dumb.

  37. @Hypnotoad666
    @Peterike


    Currently, 53% of Democrats, 49% of Republicans and 47% of independents would get the vaccine.
     
    Don't these numbers imply that Americans understand the corona-panic is a scam? If they really believed they were at risk from the New Plague, they'd be begging for the vaccine, side effects be damned.

    Replies: @JackOH, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Wielgus

    I predict that in order to get compliance the MSM will show people lining up by the thousands to get injected with their population reduction serum. Even if they have to use CGI or cardboard cutouts to give the impression of near total compliance.

  38. @Aanoon
    Steve,

    You may want to consider the possibility that you are being led astray by dread fear.

    This study is bs and they will never measure actual effectiveness.

    They will also blame the increasing death rate caused by vaccine-induced binding antibodies on mutating virus strains.

    Get up to speed on this, quick.

    Replies: @My Pseudonymic Handle

  39. @candid_observer
    One question that also comes up, now that we have a very effective vaccine: who should get priority in getting it?

    Health care workers, for example, had been planned to be among the first to get a vaccine, presumably on the assumption that they would be more likely to pass it on if they got it.

    But if the only patients who might be seriously at risk have very low probability of getting serious effects if they get a vaccine, doesn't it make much more sense to target those vulnerable patients first? Generally, infectiousness is a minor issue if the effectiveness is so very high.

    Obviously, this should be modeled to make out the numbers, but it seems likely to me that the high effectiveness might change the priorities.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    I don’t know what the numbers have been lately, but in the worst stages of the pandemic for deaths, over 50% of the deaths were in nursing homes or the like, but, as I remember, only about .6% of the population were in that category.

    If we were to give the very first vaccinations to those in nursing homes, might that not immediately cut the death rate by close to half?

  40. We’ll see. Anti vaccine is just another liberal cause by the brainwashed conformist liberals. So is believing in covid hoax another liberal cause believed in by the brainwashed conformist liberals.

    So it’s two stupid liberal causes with opposing beliefs. Given the empty brains and ultra conformity of liberals, I predict the anti vaccine crew will get in line with the covid hoax hysterics and demand everyone get covid vaccine as soon as possible.

    When covid hoax disappears from the media as anorexia and heterosexual AIDS HIV hoaxes disappeared from the media. The brainwashed robot liberals will go right back to crusading against polio diphtheria TB Scarlett Fever and other deadly and disabling disease vaccines. Because liberals always need a cause.

  41. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    I think it's going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero. It'll seem just a trifle totalitarian.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Alden, @VivaLaMigra

    The DNC controlled media will just keep on lying about covid hoax as usual. DNC media will write and proclaim anything as long as it supports the latest liberal cause.

  42. @Diversity Heretic
    @obwandiyag

    The Iranian hostages were not released until January 20, 1981, over two months after Ronald Reagan's election. He won in a landslide.

    Tiny Duck had a better grasp of history.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @indocon, @obwandiyag

    You think 2 months is a long time? You absolutely must be a child.

  43. @Joseph Doaks
    @candid_observer

    "I think it’s going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero."

    The death rate is pretty near zero now but Biden voters support all of his mandates, because Trump had "no plan." The public only knows what the media want them to know.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    I certainly expect that the case rate vs death rate war will continue. Biden and the media will keep harping on cases, because that’s what they’ve got and what they need. Followers will follow.

    But there are people in the middle who can see both the case for a lockdown (so far), and that for opening up the economy. It’s going to be increasingly frustrating to them to see lockdowns in place whose purpose is, well, just what?

    To date, the case for lockdowns has always ultimately been about saving Granny. Even if you or your kids aren’t vulnerable, how about your older loved ones? Do you want to have you or your kids killing Granny?

    But if Granny is perfectly safe, where does this argument go?

    Partisans aside, people aren’t that dumb.

  44. @Anonymous
    Yet Republicans are still less likely to be willing to be vaccinated, but you won't hear money-grubbing coward Steve Sailer issue a condemnation of that.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    Lovely. Steve and we appreciate your words.

  45. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    The thing is, a vaccine puts an upper bound on worst case scenarios.

    I took a boat trip on the Ganges years ago. When the guide was asked if it was safe or dangerous, he said…If you think it is dangerous, it is dangerous. If you think it’s safe, it’s safe. I immediately stuck my arm in. It was nothing.

    Same with vaccines. If people are worried, they shouldn’t be pressured.

    Meanwhile, I wanna go right after the first million first responders.

  46. @Peterike
    How do you test a vaccine for a virus so weak that the vast majority of people shrug it off without even generating antibodies? Why do we need a vaccine for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate?

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @Hypnotoad666, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @J.Ross, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Liza

    We keep getting that “safe and effective” mantra for all vaccines. However, if they were so safe, why did the government establish a vaccine injury compensation plan for children (and adults) who can demonstrate that they were harmed by a vaccination? A Plan that leaves the vaccine mfrs unliable and unharmed by these damages – and paid for by the good ol’ Amerikwan taxpayer. A Plan that has so far paid out $4,484,709,478.09. And there’s plenty of folks who don’t even know about this Plan, so they don’t even bother filing a claim. They see that their little Jimmy was a completely normal baby until he got his shots – usually a whole bunch all in the same day – and then he was never anything approaching normal again. Doctors tell the parents that this is some sort of weird anomaly, they don’t know why little Jimmy, who was utterly normal in his development, now can’t focus his eyes; and spends the rest of his life drooling, wearing diapers into adulthood, and unable to even speak.

    Go ahead, have yourselves and your kids done. I won’t shed a tear for any of you.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Liza

    Let your kids get diphtheria scarlet fever whooping cough TB and polio to prove your point.

    But keep them locked up at home where they can’t infect and kill anyone else.

    Replies: @Liza

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    It's probably just flukey data. Look at the R-curve. It's a difference of 2 percentage points since this summer. How big is the margin of error?

    Is there a choice of an answer that goes something like "I don't even care when any virus comes out, as this whole thing is an overblown PanicFest"?

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    The number of infections per day are rising. Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations. The death rate if not rising is not falling now over 245,000 victims, far more than from influenza deaths in an average winter.. How can so many commentators on this forum insist that the covid pandemic is not real, that it is part of a plot, that a vaccine is not needed?

    On another subject, about the veracity of the vote count, aside Pennsylvania where there may well have been some serious hanky-panky, how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost? If the ballots in those Republican-led states are accepted as having been counted honestly – I have not heard differently – and if other down-ballot Republican candidates won in Georgia and Arizona, but Trump lost narrowly, that to my mind leads to this conclusion. Enough 2016 Trump voters changed their minds about him and decided not to vote for him again. That seems to me the simplest explanation which is always to be preferred to promoting complicated conspiracies that cannot be proved. The republic will survive even with this most unimpressive president. We survived Jerry Ford, we will survive Joe Biden. Biden says he will open the borders to illegal immigrants. Hopefully the pandemic and the economic depression will limit the amount of new illegals. The more illegals he lets on, the more likely the Dems will lose the next presidential election to the Republican candidate, hopefully not Donald Trump.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymouse

    ICUs overcrowded? Infections rising daily? You’ve been reading and listening to the lying fraudulent media again. Only the gullible and naive brainwashed liberals believe anything in the medi.

    , @VivaLaMigra
    @Anonymouse

    WTF? Creepy Uncle Joe and the Demon Rats allow a flood of illegals across the border - oh, excuse me, they won't be "illegal" because, you know, AMNESTY! - and that makes a GOP recapture of the White House MORE likely in 2024? I'd have to assume you live in a state where "recreational" dope is now legal. Or, it's just plain legal to BE a dope!

    , @William Badwhite
    @Anonymouse


    Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations.
     
    Citation needed. Or by "many" did you mean "few to none"?

    Congrats though on making it through an entire post without accusing someone of "hate" or "anti-semitism" or "anti-semitic hate".
    , @EdwardM
    @Anonymouse


    how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost?
     
    Because the state governor and secretary of state don't have much of a role in counting ballots? The corrupt Democrat-run cities like Atlanta, Tucson, and even (sadly) parts of Phoenix metro area are capable of delivering the margin of theft.
  48. @indocon
    @Diversity Heretic

    Impact was the same.

    It's time to think of a scary possibility - demented Biden ends up like Regan, virus goes away next year just like inflation (virus of 1970s) went away in 1982, Fed keeps pumping money, Republicans keep cucking. All these fantasies about 2022 and 2024 and hispanics and blah blah come burning down and Biden wins 45 states in 2024.

    Replies: @Ximenes, @Paul Jolliffe

    When he’s 82?

    • Replies: @indocon
    @Ximenes

    He may go completely in the Bunker.

  49. A new round of COVID lockdowns for Chicago and Detroit.

    And Sweden has admitted their “almost at herd immunity” claims, which were supposed to keep it from experiencing a second surge right about now, were just plain wrong. And that’s over a month since Holland admitted that its we’re-too-cool-for-masks policy was also stupid.

    What gives? I distinctly remember being assured by the bright minds of iSteve that COVID would simply up and disappear from the headlines after the elections. Have Bill Gates and the other puppetmasters who foisted this supposedly fake virus on us solely to bring down Trump decided to double down and take out Biden as well, so that President Kamala can assume her rightful place?

  50. @indocon
    @Diversity Heretic

    Impact was the same.

    It's time to think of a scary possibility - demented Biden ends up like Regan, virus goes away next year just like inflation (virus of 1970s) went away in 1982, Fed keeps pumping money, Republicans keep cucking. All these fantasies about 2022 and 2024 and hispanics and blah blah come burning down and Biden wins 45 states in 2024.

    Replies: @Ximenes, @Paul Jolliffe

    So, if Biden is like Reagan, are you implying that by the end of March, 2021, that a”lone nut” will pull a John Hinckley and Kamala Harris will be in the White House before baseball’s opening day?

    Hmm.

    Personally I doubt it – the Deep State can get everything they want from Biden now. No need for further action.

    • Replies: @VivaLaMigra
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Correct. Why would the D/S Off their prized puppet, Creepy Uncle Joe? Kommie Harris will be running things for the next four, or eight years, and then will be "eligible" for two more terms! And you thought FDR's tenure of twelve years and, IIRC, about six weeks, was bad? You ain't seen NUFFIN yet!

  51. @Ximenes
    @indocon

    When he's 82?

    Replies: @indocon

    He may go completely in the Bunker.

  52. @Liza
    @Peterike

    We keep getting that "safe and effective" mantra for all vaccines. However, if they were so safe, why did the government establish a vaccine injury compensation plan for children (and adults) who can demonstrate that they were harmed by a vaccination? A Plan that leaves the vaccine mfrs unliable and unharmed by these damages - and paid for by the good ol' Amerikwan taxpayer. A Plan that has so far paid out $4,484,709,478.09. And there's plenty of folks who don't even know about this Plan, so they don't even bother filing a claim. They see that their little Jimmy was a completely normal baby until he got his shots - usually a whole bunch all in the same day - and then he was never anything approaching normal again. Doctors tell the parents that this is some sort of weird anomaly, they don't know why little Jimmy, who was utterly normal in his development, now can't focus his eyes; and spends the rest of his life drooling, wearing diapers into adulthood, and unable to even speak.

    Go ahead, have yourselves and your kids done. I won't shed a tear for any of you.

    Replies: @Alden

    Let your kids get diphtheria scarlet fever whooping cough TB and polio to prove your point.

    But keep them locked up at home where they can’t infect and kill anyone else.

    • Replies: @Liza
    @Alden

    Infections aren't caused by lack of vaccines. If they were, me and the whole damn family would line up pronto for everything available. Your world view is the shits: you believe (it's like a religion) that for no reason whatsoever an evil god placed infectious entities all over the earth and, at random, these invisible beings attack people and make them ill and sometimes kill them. So, to you, the "solution" is to poison yourself and your kids, wear masks and hide under the bed.

    What a way to go thru life.

    I am not the least bit frightened of any virus or bacteria. My kids and my husband and I take our chances with infections because infections are curable - yes, they are, to people who are willing to learn - but the little Jimmys of this world (referred to in my comment, which you kindly ignored) usually cannot be cured once they've suffered brain inflamation from innoculation, though there are some happy stories in this regard.

    https://www.nvic.org/
    vaccinechoicecanada.com

    Replies: @Alden

  53. @Anonymouse
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The number of infections per day are rising. Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations. The death rate if not rising is not falling now over 245,000 victims, far more than from influenza deaths in an average winter.. How can so many commentators on this forum insist that the covid pandemic is not real, that it is part of a plot, that a vaccine is not needed?

    On another subject, about the veracity of the vote count, aside Pennsylvania where there may well have been some serious hanky-panky, how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost? If the ballots in those Republican-led states are accepted as having been counted honestly - I have not heard differently - and if other down-ballot Republican candidates won in Georgia and Arizona, but Trump lost narrowly, that to my mind leads to this conclusion. Enough 2016 Trump voters changed their minds about him and decided not to vote for him again. That seems to me the simplest explanation which is always to be preferred to promoting complicated conspiracies that cannot be proved. The republic will survive even with this most unimpressive president. We survived Jerry Ford, we will survive Joe Biden. Biden says he will open the borders to illegal immigrants. Hopefully the pandemic and the economic depression will limit the amount of new illegals. The more illegals he lets on, the more likely the Dems will lose the next presidential election to the Republican candidate, hopefully not Donald Trump.

    Replies: @Alden, @VivaLaMigra, @William Badwhite, @EdwardM

    ICUs overcrowded? Infections rising daily? You’ve been reading and listening to the lying fraudulent media again. Only the gullible and naive brainwashed liberals believe anything in the medi.

  54. @candid_observer
    @candid_observer

    I think it's going to be pretty hard for Biden to implement all his mandates and lockdowns on the public if they see the death rate going to zero. It'll seem just a trifle totalitarian.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Alden, @VivaLaMigra

    …and, given what we’ve just witnessed, what makes you think that anything “seem[ing] justa trifle totalitarian…” means that the Libtards won’t push it anyway? They’re getting away with massive vote fraud. “Mail-in voting” is here to stay. Anyone who dares suggest that it be eliminated for the 2022 midterms is surely going to be accused of “voter suppression,” right?

  55. @Hypnotoad666
    @Peterike


    Currently, 53% of Democrats, 49% of Republicans and 47% of independents would get the vaccine.
     
    Don't these numbers imply that Americans understand the corona-panic is a scam? If they really believed they were at risk from the New Plague, they'd be begging for the vaccine, side effects be damned.

    Replies: @JackOH, @My Pseudonymic Handle, @Wielgus

    It does suggest skepticism despite something like 10 months of “we’re all gonna die!” on the news.

  56. @Paul Jolliffe
    @indocon

    So, if Biden is like Reagan, are you implying that by the end of March, 2021, that a”lone nut” will pull a John Hinckley and Kamala Harris will be in the White House before baseball’s opening day?

    Hmm.

    Personally I doubt it - the Deep State can get everything they want from Biden now. No need for further action.

    Replies: @VivaLaMigra

    Correct. Why would the D/S Off their prized puppet, Creepy Uncle Joe? Kommie Harris will be running things for the next four, or eight years, and then will be “eligible” for two more terms! And you thought FDR’s tenure of twelve years and, IIRC, about six weeks, was bad? You ain’t seen NUFFIN yet!

  57. @Anonymouse
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The number of infections per day are rising. Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations. The death rate if not rising is not falling now over 245,000 victims, far more than from influenza deaths in an average winter.. How can so many commentators on this forum insist that the covid pandemic is not real, that it is part of a plot, that a vaccine is not needed?

    On another subject, about the veracity of the vote count, aside Pennsylvania where there may well have been some serious hanky-panky, how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost? If the ballots in those Republican-led states are accepted as having been counted honestly - I have not heard differently - and if other down-ballot Republican candidates won in Georgia and Arizona, but Trump lost narrowly, that to my mind leads to this conclusion. Enough 2016 Trump voters changed their minds about him and decided not to vote for him again. That seems to me the simplest explanation which is always to be preferred to promoting complicated conspiracies that cannot be proved. The republic will survive even with this most unimpressive president. We survived Jerry Ford, we will survive Joe Biden. Biden says he will open the borders to illegal immigrants. Hopefully the pandemic and the economic depression will limit the amount of new illegals. The more illegals he lets on, the more likely the Dems will lose the next presidential election to the Republican candidate, hopefully not Donald Trump.

    Replies: @Alden, @VivaLaMigra, @William Badwhite, @EdwardM

    WTF? Creepy Uncle Joe and the Demon Rats allow a flood of illegals across the border – oh, excuse me, they won’t be “illegal” because, you know, AMNESTY! – and that makes a GOP recapture of the White House MORE likely in 2024? I’d have to assume you live in a state where “recreational” dope is now legal. Or, it’s just plain legal to BE a dope!

  58. @Anonymouse
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The number of infections per day are rising. Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations. The death rate if not rising is not falling now over 245,000 victims, far more than from influenza deaths in an average winter.. How can so many commentators on this forum insist that the covid pandemic is not real, that it is part of a plot, that a vaccine is not needed?

    On another subject, about the veracity of the vote count, aside Pennsylvania where there may well have been some serious hanky-panky, how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost? If the ballots in those Republican-led states are accepted as having been counted honestly - I have not heard differently - and if other down-ballot Republican candidates won in Georgia and Arizona, but Trump lost narrowly, that to my mind leads to this conclusion. Enough 2016 Trump voters changed their minds about him and decided not to vote for him again. That seems to me the simplest explanation which is always to be preferred to promoting complicated conspiracies that cannot be proved. The republic will survive even with this most unimpressive president. We survived Jerry Ford, we will survive Joe Biden. Biden says he will open the borders to illegal immigrants. Hopefully the pandemic and the economic depression will limit the amount of new illegals. The more illegals he lets on, the more likely the Dems will lose the next presidential election to the Republican candidate, hopefully not Donald Trump.

    Replies: @Alden, @VivaLaMigra, @William Badwhite, @EdwardM

    Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations.

    Citation needed. Or by “many” did you mean “few to none”?

    Congrats though on making it through an entire post without accusing someone of “hate” or “anti-semitism” or “anti-semitic hate”.

  59. @Alden
    @Liza

    Let your kids get diphtheria scarlet fever whooping cough TB and polio to prove your point.

    But keep them locked up at home where they can’t infect and kill anyone else.

    Replies: @Liza

    Infections aren’t caused by lack of vaccines. If they were, me and the whole damn family would line up pronto for everything available. Your world view is the shits: you believe (it’s like a religion) that for no reason whatsoever an evil god placed infectious entities all over the earth and, at random, these invisible beings attack people and make them ill and sometimes kill them. So, to you, the “solution” is to poison yourself and your kids, wear masks and hide under the bed.

    What a way to go thru life.

    I am not the least bit frightened of any virus or bacteria. My kids and my husband and I take our chances with infections because infections are curable – yes, they are, to people who are willing to learn – but the little Jimmys of this world (referred to in my comment, which you kindly ignored) usually cannot be cured once they’ve suffered brain inflamation from innoculation, though there are some happy stories in this regard.

    https://www.nvic.org/
    vaccinechoicecanada.com

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Liza

    Another brainwashed liberal idiot following the latest girly ditzy over protective helicopter mommy fad. Wait till the immigrants bring diphtheria as well as TB to your area.

  60. @Liza
    @Alden

    Infections aren't caused by lack of vaccines. If they were, me and the whole damn family would line up pronto for everything available. Your world view is the shits: you believe (it's like a religion) that for no reason whatsoever an evil god placed infectious entities all over the earth and, at random, these invisible beings attack people and make them ill and sometimes kill them. So, to you, the "solution" is to poison yourself and your kids, wear masks and hide under the bed.

    What a way to go thru life.

    I am not the least bit frightened of any virus or bacteria. My kids and my husband and I take our chances with infections because infections are curable - yes, they are, to people who are willing to learn - but the little Jimmys of this world (referred to in my comment, which you kindly ignored) usually cannot be cured once they've suffered brain inflamation from innoculation, though there are some happy stories in this regard.

    https://www.nvic.org/
    vaccinechoicecanada.com

    Replies: @Alden

    Another brainwashed liberal idiot following the latest girly ditzy over protective helicopter mommy fad. Wait till the immigrants bring diphtheria as well as TB to your area.

  61. @Anonymouse
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The number of infections per day are rising. Many hospitals are running out of ICU beds to treat hospitalizations. The death rate if not rising is not falling now over 245,000 victims, far more than from influenza deaths in an average winter.. How can so many commentators on this forum insist that the covid pandemic is not real, that it is part of a plot, that a vaccine is not needed?

    On another subject, about the veracity of the vote count, aside Pennsylvania where there may well have been some serious hanky-panky, how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost? If the ballots in those Republican-led states are accepted as having been counted honestly - I have not heard differently - and if other down-ballot Republican candidates won in Georgia and Arizona, but Trump lost narrowly, that to my mind leads to this conclusion. Enough 2016 Trump voters changed their minds about him and decided not to vote for him again. That seems to me the simplest explanation which is always to be preferred to promoting complicated conspiracies that cannot be proved. The republic will survive even with this most unimpressive president. We survived Jerry Ford, we will survive Joe Biden. Biden says he will open the borders to illegal immigrants. Hopefully the pandemic and the economic depression will limit the amount of new illegals. The more illegals he lets on, the more likely the Dems will lose the next presidential election to the Republican candidate, hopefully not Donald Trump.

    Replies: @Alden, @VivaLaMigra, @William Badwhite, @EdwardM

    how come Trump lost narrowly in Georgia and Arizona both run by Republicans who presumably would have likely wanted Trump to win, yet he lost?

    Because the state governor and secretary of state don’t have much of a role in counting ballots? The corrupt Democrat-run cities like Atlanta, Tucson, and even (sadly) parts of Phoenix metro area are capable of delivering the margin of theft.

  62. Or maybe people are less willing to be vaccinated now than they were a few months ago because Covid has turned out not to be nearly as virulent as was initially feared?

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