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From the Boston Globe:

Credit: Boston Globe

Study finds white people associate superhuman words with black people

By Kevin Lewis | OCTOBER 19, 2014

BACK IN MARCH 2007, David Ehrenstein wrote in the Los Angeles Times: “Like a comic-book superhero, Obama is there to help, out of the sheer goodness of a heart we need not know or understand. For as with all Magic Negroes, the less real he seems, the more desirable he becomes. If he were real, white America couldn’t project all its fantasies of curative black benevolence on him.” A new study suggests it’s not just Obama; in general, white people are more likely to think of black people as magical and mysterious. In a series of experiments, psychologists show that white people were quicker to associate superhuman words (ghost, paranormal, spirit, wizard, supernatural, magic, and mystical) with black faces relative to white faces. Also, when explicitly asked, white people indicated that a black person was more capable of possessing superhuman qualities—and would need less medication to alleviate pain—than a white person.

Waytz, A. et al., “A Superhumanization Bias in Whites’ Perceptions of Blacks,” Social Psychological and Personality Science (forthcoming).

Here’s the abstract:

A Superhumanization Bias in Whites’ Perceptions of Blacks

Adam Waytz
Kelly Marie Hoffman
Sophie Trawalter

God

The present research provides the first systematic empirical investigation into superhumanization, the attribution of supernatural, extrasensory, and magical mental and physical qualities to humans. Five studies test and support the hypothesis that White Americans superhumanize Black people relative to White people. Studies 1–2b demonstrate this phenomenon at an implicit level, showing that Whites preferentially associate Blacks versus Whites with superhuman versus human words on an implicit association test and on a categorization task. Studies 3–4 demonstrate this phenomenon at an explicit level, showing that Whites preferentially attribute superhuman capacities to Blacks versus Whites, and Study 4 specifically shows that superhumanization of Blacks predicts denial of pain to Black versus White targets. Together, these studies demonstrate a novel and potentially detrimental process through which Whites perceive Blacks.

Detrimental to whom?

 
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  1. potentially detrimental process through which Whites perceive Blacks

    LOL. If they had obtained the opposite result, is there any doubt that they would also have described it as “potentially detrimental” to blacks? Heads I win, tails you lose.

    There’s a recent technical paper showing that a popular scoring algorithm used with implicit association tests may produce extreme bias. Lots of studies using that algorithm may have reported spurious findings.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @P

    Thanks.

    Implications of the Implicit Association Test D-Transformation for Psychological Assessment

    Hart Blanton1
    James Jaccard2
    Christopher N. Burrows1

    Abstract

    Psychometricians strive to eliminate random error from their psychological inventories. When random error affecting tests is diminished, tests more accurately characterize people on the psychological dimension of interest. We document an unusual property of the scoring algorithm for a measure used to assess a wide range of psychological states. The “D-score” algorithm for coding the Implicit Association Test (IAT) requires the presence of random noise in order to obtain variability. Without consequential degrees of random noise, all individuals receive extreme scores. We present results from an algebraic proof, a computer simulation, and an online survey of implicit racial attitudes to show how trial error can bias IAT assessments. We argue as a result that the D-score algorithm should not be used for formal assessment purposes, and we offer an alternative to this approach based on multiple regression. Our critique focuses primarily on the IAT designed to measure unconscious racial attitudes, but it applies to any IAT developed to provide psychological assessments within clinical, organizational, and developmental branches of psychology—and in any other field where the IAT might be used.

    http://asm.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/10/07/1073191114551382.abstract

    Replies: @D. K.

    , @Stealth
    @P

    Al-Gore-Rhythm.

    Am I the only one who's ever made that association?

    , @Wally
    @P

    Jim Brown,Jesse Owens,Usain Bolt,Lawrence Taylor,Pele,just to name a few.Only the Black race
    can produce supermen like these.

  2. It must be genetic. A long time ago, whites probably encountered superhumans who happened to be black, and so now whites associate blacks with superhumans. And anything and everything that ever occurs or happens is genetic, so this is genetic too. It’s Occam’s Razor. Occam was a superhuman black and if I say his name it’s voodoo magic and it means it proves it was genetic.

    • Replies: @Chiron
    @Bill M

    The Hindu Gods have blue or black skin, Osiris had green skin.

    One Egyptian God named Min had black skin and a permanent erection.

  3. @P
    potentially detrimental process through which Whites perceive Blacks

    LOL. If they had obtained the opposite result, is there any doubt that they would also have described it as "potentially detrimental" to blacks? Heads I win, tails you lose.

    There's a recent technical paper showing that a popular scoring algorithm used with implicit association tests may produce extreme bias. Lots of studies using that algorithm may have reported spurious findings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stealth, @Wally

    Thanks.

    Implications of the Implicit Association Test D-Transformation for Psychological Assessment

    Hart Blanton1
    James Jaccard2
    Christopher N. Burrows1

    Abstract

    Psychometricians strive to eliminate random error from their psychological inventories. When random error affecting tests is diminished, tests more accurately characterize people on the psychological dimension of interest. We document an unusual property of the scoring algorithm for a measure used to assess a wide range of psychological states. The “D-score” algorithm for coding the Implicit Association Test (IAT) requires the presence of random noise in order to obtain variability. Without consequential degrees of random noise, all individuals receive extreme scores. We present results from an algebraic proof, a computer simulation, and an online survey of implicit racial attitudes to show how trial error can bias IAT assessments. We argue as a result that the D-score algorithm should not be used for formal assessment purposes, and we offer an alternative to this approach based on multiple regression. Our critique focuses primarily on the IAT designed to measure unconscious racial attitudes, but it applies to any IAT developed to provide psychological assessments within clinical, organizational, and developmental branches of psychology—and in any other field where the IAT might be used.

    http://asm.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/10/07/1073191114551382.abstract

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    Jim Jaccard was both my first Statistics professor, when I was a PBR in Personality and Social Psychology at Purdue, and, later, my Major Professor for graduate school there. He is one of the most competent people in his chosen field that I ever have met, let alone had the great good fortune both to study under and to serve as a Research Assistant. He also is a talented musician who, while still an undergraduate at Berkeley, was reputedly invited to join a new rock band that later went on to some notoriety and commercial success: the Doobie Brothers. He also claimed to have stolen away the girlfriend of another young musician who went on to some notoriety and success, Dan Fogelberg, in Champaign-Urbana, during Jim's graduate-school days. I cannot vouch for those music-related claims, but the man surely knows his Stats!

    Replies: @Sean

  4. Detrimental to blacks who need pain meds. There are probably numerous explanations for why doctors underprescribe opiates to blacks vs whites. It is a real phenomenon.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Ergot

    I have worked at two inner city hospitals ; because of the high number of drug seeking patients the doctors on the medical floors tended not prescribe appropriately for what was obviously legitimate pain.Not so on surgical floors or patients with sickle cell anemia . Also a patient with any drug history had an uphill battle getting sufficient pain meds.

  5. To be fair, whites aren’t the only people who do this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bill P

    Negritos are a different race from blacks.

  6. @Steve Sailer
    @P

    Thanks.

    Implications of the Implicit Association Test D-Transformation for Psychological Assessment

    Hart Blanton1
    James Jaccard2
    Christopher N. Burrows1

    Abstract

    Psychometricians strive to eliminate random error from their psychological inventories. When random error affecting tests is diminished, tests more accurately characterize people on the psychological dimension of interest. We document an unusual property of the scoring algorithm for a measure used to assess a wide range of psychological states. The “D-score” algorithm for coding the Implicit Association Test (IAT) requires the presence of random noise in order to obtain variability. Without consequential degrees of random noise, all individuals receive extreme scores. We present results from an algebraic proof, a computer simulation, and an online survey of implicit racial attitudes to show how trial error can bias IAT assessments. We argue as a result that the D-score algorithm should not be used for formal assessment purposes, and we offer an alternative to this approach based on multiple regression. Our critique focuses primarily on the IAT designed to measure unconscious racial attitudes, but it applies to any IAT developed to provide psychological assessments within clinical, organizational, and developmental branches of psychology—and in any other field where the IAT might be used.

    http://asm.sagepub.com/content/early/2014/10/07/1073191114551382.abstract

    Replies: @D. K.

    Jim Jaccard was both my first Statistics professor, when I was a PBR in Personality and Social Psychology at Purdue, and, later, my Major Professor for graduate school there. He is one of the most competent people in his chosen field that I ever have met, let alone had the great good fortune both to study under and to serve as a Research Assistant. He also is a talented musician who, while still an undergraduate at Berkeley, was reputedly invited to join a new rock band that later went on to some notoriety and commercial success: the Doobie Brothers. He also claimed to have stolen away the girlfriend of another young musician who went on to some notoriety and success, Dan Fogelberg, in Champaign-Urbana, during Jim’s graduate-school days. I cannot vouch for those music-related claims, but the man surely knows his Stats!

    • Replies: @Sean
    @D. K.

    IMO these implict assiociation tests merely show that black Africans, especially men are percieved as more masculine, and hence robust, decisive and with mysterious qualities. But there is a lot of research showing that slight differences in skin colour identify a person as male or female (see here). You can do similar tests and get different reactions depending on the time of the womans monthly cycle. It is a fact that on those implicit association tests the naughty results are only significant for white females (especially those who have not dated a black).

    Replies: @Sean, @D. K.

  7. I was once PI on a research project which, against my better judgement. incorporated a psychological assessment instrument. I did a later evaluation of the results and found that an individual’s score on the assessment was best at predicting the assessor who had administered the assessment. It correlated poorly with all clearly quantifiable aspects of the individuals in the study, e.g., intelligence, academic performance, achievment, etc.

    By the way, it may be okay to associate Blacks with ghosts but doing so with spooks got one Phillip Roth character in a lot of trouble!

  8. “Detrimental to whom?” too lazy to follow the link but I assumed this was about quality of medical care, as I have seen references to studies that show blacks receive less pain medication during emergency room visits and the like.

  9. “detrimental to whom?”

    “would need less medication to alleviate pain” – Blacks who get less pain relief than they need, is an obvious one. Whites intimidated into not resisting violent criminal blacks is another. Blacks accidentally killed in police custody by police who think they’re much tougher than they really are, is a third.

    The false stereotype of black toughness definitely has real-world negative effects.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Simon in London

    False stereotype of black toughness?

    It's not so false. It's obvious that they're physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. This much you can glean by watching sports. And if you grew up around black kids, you'd also know that they're able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.

    Seriously, it's not so hard to acknowledge that white people are on average taller and more physically robust than Asian people, so why are we reluctant to acknowledge that blacks are more muscular, faster, and stronger than everybody else?

    Replies: @Simon in London, @conatus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  10. @P
    potentially detrimental process through which Whites perceive Blacks

    LOL. If they had obtained the opposite result, is there any doubt that they would also have described it as "potentially detrimental" to blacks? Heads I win, tails you lose.

    There's a recent technical paper showing that a popular scoring algorithm used with implicit association tests may produce extreme bias. Lots of studies using that algorithm may have reported spurious findings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stealth, @Wally

    Al-Gore-Rhythm.

    Am I the only one who’s ever made that association?

  11. Is this for real? Did the term “magic negro” actually appear in the Boston Globe as anything other than a controversial quote? I think I’m still asleep and dreaming on the couch.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Stealth

    Something wacky is happening at Pravda, I mean, the Boston Globe. They just endorsed Republican Charlie Baker for governor!

    It must be the John Henry Effect.

  12. Isn’t this one of those deals where they run the test on a bunch of 19-22 year old Psych major undergrads and extrapolate the result to all whites?

  13. The idea seems strange to me. Maybe that’s from living in multicultural hell all these years in a larger urban area. Who are these whites and what spaceship did they come in on (if this study is really accurate)? Really out of touch, worse than I thought.

  14. ” In a series of experiments, psychologists show that white people were quicker to associate superhuman words (ghost, paranormal, spirit, wizard, supernatural, magic, and mystical) with black faces relative to white faces.”

    Huh? Uhhh actually black people don’t really come to mind when I think of those words, nor do I think of black people when I hear them.

    “Also, when explicitly asked, white people indicated that a black person was more capable of possessing superhuman qualities—and would need less medication to alleviate pain—than a white person.”

    Is this actually a thing? I have never heard this in my life. I’m curious as to where in the country these kinds of perceptions are common. This is news to me, that is for sure.

    Blacks feel less pain? This is really some kind of belief or stereotype?

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @Sunbeam

    what were the other word options to associate with blacks?

  15. @Bill P
    To be fair, whites aren't the only people who do this.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Negritos are a different race from blacks.

  16. @Simon in London
    "detrimental to whom?"

    "would need less medication to alleviate pain" - Blacks who get less pain relief than they need, is an obvious one. Whites intimidated into not resisting violent criminal blacks is another. Blacks accidentally killed in police custody by police who think they're much tougher than they really are, is a third.

    The false stereotype of black toughness definitely has real-world negative effects.

    Replies: @Stealth

    False stereotype of black toughness?

    It’s not so false. It’s obvious that they’re physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. This much you can glean by watching sports. And if you grew up around black kids, you’d also know that they’re able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.

    Seriously, it’s not so hard to acknowledge that white people are on average taller and more physically robust than Asian people, so why are we reluctant to acknowledge that blacks are more muscular, faster, and stronger than everybody else?

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Stealth

    >>It’s not so false. It’s obvious that they’re physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. And if you grew up around black kids, you’d also know that they’re able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.<<

    1. 'Stronger & faster' is *not* 'toughness'. West African blacks have more fast twitch muscle mass than whites; they are stronger and faster but have lower endurance. I saw this doing army training, which in the UK is mostly endurance based.

    2. Black kids grow faster and mature earlier than white kids, so you're not comparing like with like.
    But this childhood experience for white kids of being overawed by faster maturing black kids is likely the source of the myth.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stealth

    , @conatus
    @Stealth

    I always thought they were stronger too, until I watched the program 'Survivor.'
    I was shocked at the number of times a big buffed black guy got tired and gave up. Maybe it had more to do with endurance and being hungry. But that is my scientific evidence.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Stealth

    The same reason why people are reluctant to acknowledge that blacks on average have smaller and lower weighing brains. Brain size and weight have been directly linked to IQ.

    Just the finish the sentence. If blacks are more muscular and stronger than whites, they are also less intelligent than whites in average IQ.

    The real surprise would be if a study were done where white people tend to associate intelligence and upper level IQ with blacks.

  17. Why does this website so frequently classify edited replies as spam?

  18. I associate black people with magic because black people believe in magic to a much greater extent than do whites. They’re still burning witches in Africa, after all.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Harry Baldwin


    They’re still burning witches in Africa, after all
     
    Not to overlook the whole eating albinos thing either.
  19. It must be genetic. A long time ago, whites probably encountered superhumans who happened to be black, and so now whites associate blacks with superhumans. And anything and everything that ever occurs or happens is genetic, so this is genetic too. It’s Occam’s Razor. Occam was a superhuman black and if I say his name it’s voodoo magic and it means it proves it was genetic.

    I’m pretty sure Occam’s Razor suggests it’s the Jewish/liberal media’s 70+ year campaign to superhumanize blacks there, Lysenko.

    To be fair, whites aren’t the only people who do this.

    I’m pretty sure it killed Michael Brown, for example.

    Speaking of, did they survey blacks to find if they superhumanize themselves?

  20. Actually this might be one of the times when stereotypes are wrong.

    Blacks are actually more sensitive to pain.

    “Many studies conducted over the last few decades show that African Americans demonstrate lower pain thresholds and pain tolerance than people from other ethnic backgrounds. In tests gauging physical and verbal responses to pain, African Americans are consistently shown to be more sensitive. ”
    Maybe this is evidence that this is a stereotype that comes from the media, not real life.

    • Replies: @sanjoaquinsam
    @Just sayin'

    I have a few years of experience as a phlebotomist (one who draws blood) in a hospital in a mid-sized metropolitan center in California; your quote aligns with my observations.

    , @ben tillman
    @Just sayin'


    Actually this might be one of the times when stereotypes are wrong.

    Blacks are actually more sensitive to pain.

    “Many studies conducted over the last few decades show that African Americans demonstrate lower pain thresholds and pain tolerance than people from other ethnic backgrounds. In tests gauging physical and verbal responses to pain, African Americans are consistently shown to be more sensitive. ”

    Maybe this is evidence that this is a stereotype that comes from the media, not real life.
     
    Maybe the researchers don't understand that "physical and verbal responses" aren't the same thing as pain. Blacks could feel less pain yet exhibit greater "physical and verbal responses".

    Replies: @Anonymous

  21. What’s Barack’s head doing on Michelle’s torso?

  22. @Just sayin'
    Actually this might be one of the times when stereotypes are wrong.

    Blacks are actually more sensitive to pain.

    "Many studies conducted over the last few decades show that African Americans demonstrate lower pain thresholds and pain tolerance than people from other ethnic backgrounds. In tests gauging physical and verbal responses to pain, African Americans are consistently shown to be more sensitive. "
    Maybe this is evidence that this is a stereotype that comes from the media, not real life.

    Replies: @sanjoaquinsam, @ben tillman

    I have a few years of experience as a phlebotomist (one who draws blood) in a hospital in a mid-sized metropolitan center in California; your quote aligns with my observations.

  23. In Honduras at least, los indios believe that los negros have a magically ability to metabolize low quality food.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @David


    In Honduras at least, los indios believe that los negros have a magically ability to metabolize low quality food.
     
    Such as what? Fruit bats and roadkill?

    Replies: @David

  24. @Harry Baldwin
    I associate black people with magic because black people believe in magic to a much greater extent than do whites. They're still burning witches in Africa, after all.

    Replies: @Lurker

    They’re still burning witches in Africa, after all

    Not to overlook the whole eating albinos thing either.

  25. It’s due to a combination of media worship, a flamboyant high self-esteem, and physical prowess.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @Anonymous

    Is there actually clear evidence that Blacks are physically stronger than Whites?

    They tend to have more fast twitch muscle fibres that give them an edge in sprinting and jumping, but that's about it. The average Boer farmer is probably stronger than most Black South Africans for example. Having fast twitch muscles doesn't necessarily make you more physically dominant either, slower opponents can use dirty tactics and wrestling moves to avoid getting out punched or kicked by a faster opponent.

    In terms of physical strength I would say Polynesians are strongest, and Whites and Blacks are about the same. Asians are smaller, but are often pretty strong for their size and built. The mental toughness thing is questionable as well. Black men do tend to have more maschismo but tend to be weaker on mental discipline and seem to be worse at handling chronic stress.

  26. Fisher Price Little People videos for preschoolers. Each character has some special ability. The black kid’s special ability is… magic!

  27. @David
    In Honduras at least, los indios believe that los negros have a magically ability to metabolize low quality food.

    Replies: @Clyde

    In Honduras at least, los indios believe that los negros have a magically ability to metabolize low quality food.

    Such as what? Fruit bats and roadkill?

    • Replies: @David
    @Clyde

    More fiber, more gristle and greater toleration of putrefaction. It's a belief I've encountered several times and never heard contested. Maybe blacks have a larger intestinal tract or higher stomach acidity? I know Hondurans think this because when I eat something they consider substandard or needlessly spartan, they comment on it by comparing me to a negro (their word).

    Steve, you once commented on hay. I don't remember what you said, but I meant to tell you that in Honduras, in preparation for the dry season, a rancher will set aside some pasture, allowing it to die and dry in place. When fodder is needed, that pasture is opened up. They do not bring in hay at all. They bring in mais and sorghum to feed pigs but also let them run free to eat poop. Hondurans, even if they had a choice, have no sympathy at all with the suffering of animals, so during lean times, they will allow their farm animals to become emaciated almost to death.

  28. Title should read “Implicit *Association* Test”, not “Implicit *Aptitude* Test”, shouldn’t it?

  29. well, of course they associate blacks with extraordinary powers or qualities.

    The most powerful institutions in america have been working on elevating blacks in social status for decades now. And the snowball effect accumulated from that effort is now making itself felt.

    As for WHY the most powerful institutions in america have been working on elevating blacks in social status for decades, I suppose that for YOUR readers I have to say it is all about getting votes for Democratic politicians.

    **snicker**

    Keep on keeping things simple for your audience, Steve, which means continue to disregard the corporations behind the curtain….

  30. John Coffey for President!…….Since that’s what white people voting Democrats think they are really electing anyway.

  31. I would argue the magic negro has always been with us:

    Jim in “Huckleberry Finn”
    “Dah you goes, de ole true Huck; de on’y white genlman dat ever kep’ his promise to ole Jim”
    -Jim

    Harriett Tubman
    “I was the conductor of the Underground Railroad for eight years, and I can say what most conductors can’t say; I never ran my train off the track and I never lost a passenger.”
    -Harriet Tubman

    The boy and father in “Sounder”-
    It is the story of an African-American boy living with his sharecropper family. Although the family’s difficulties increase when the father is imprisoned for stealing a ham from work, the boy still hungers for an education.

    Wilma Rudolph
    “Never underestimate the power of dreams and the influence of the human spirit. We are all the same in this notion: The potential for greatness lives within each of us.” – Wilma Rudolph

    Frederick Douglas
    “I have observed this in my experience of slavery, that whenever my condition was improved, instead of increasing my contentment; it only increased my desire to be free, and set me thinking of plans to gain my freedom.” – Frederick Douglas

    Their magic is the magic of cleansing your sins. White evil is nothing against this redemption. Black and pure.

  32. A journalist using the term “magic Negro” is engaging in a sort of posturing. He’s telling the world that he’s hip to the very latest dispensation in what can and can’t be said about race. It’s like engaging in base-jumping, or cooking Fugu at home: supreme confidence.

  33. Steve you should do a blog about a film that recently came out called “Dear White People”, after all you are a film critic and you talk about race a lot.

  34. Don’t think so, my guess the participants gamed the interviewers.

    Look the closet whites get to seeing blacks as superhuman is worshiping black athletes. Other than that I’ve never heard of whites viewing blacks as anything but layabouts, dummies, thugs or moochers. Here’s the thing if whites work around blacks, you’re gonna get real disappointed in most of them very fast.

    Of course Tribe run Hollywood has been promoting the perception of the magic negro for 50 years now and does play on white public perception.

    In terms of pain tolerance, I suppose blacks are bit more resilient given their over sized adrenals and a testosterone level 5x of a white male, along with extra thick skulls and raging tempers which gives them the illusion of being tougher. But it will do that with a lot men. Especially if they are on drugs as well. They will eventually feel pain but after the adrenaline and drugs wear off. Go to any ER on a Friday or Saturday night in a city and you will see it filled up with blacks and Hispanic tough guys who got hurt in a bar or party. They ain’t tough, they’re merely big, mean and aggro.

  35. They should call it the Hollywood effect. Hollywood (and the media, schools, etc) have been promoting such a positive, majestic image of the black onto everything Americans see for decades, trying to balance out or erase the blatantly polar opposite picture that comes from everyday encounters with blacks. Liberals especially need to believe in the magic negro, who, if not oppressed by the terrible invisible knapsack of nanoagressions surrounding him every day, could achieve a divine level of success, otherwise, they have to deal with the harsh reality that comes with narrative collapse.

  36. @Just sayin'
    Actually this might be one of the times when stereotypes are wrong.

    Blacks are actually more sensitive to pain.

    "Many studies conducted over the last few decades show that African Americans demonstrate lower pain thresholds and pain tolerance than people from other ethnic backgrounds. In tests gauging physical and verbal responses to pain, African Americans are consistently shown to be more sensitive. "
    Maybe this is evidence that this is a stereotype that comes from the media, not real life.

    Replies: @sanjoaquinsam, @ben tillman

    Actually this might be one of the times when stereotypes are wrong.

    Blacks are actually more sensitive to pain.

    “Many studies conducted over the last few decades show that African Americans demonstrate lower pain thresholds and pain tolerance than people from other ethnic backgrounds. In tests gauging physical and verbal responses to pain, African Americans are consistently shown to be more sensitive. ”

    Maybe this is evidence that this is a stereotype that comes from the media, not real life.

    Maybe the researchers don’t understand that “physical and verbal responses” aren’t the same thing as pain. Blacks could feel less pain yet exhibit greater “physical and verbal responses”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ben tillman


    Maybe the researchers don’t understand that “physical and verbal responses” aren’t the same thing as pain. Blacks could feel less pain yet exhibit greater “physical and verbal responses”.
     
    I was thinking the same thing -- maybe they're just more apt to whine and complain and engage in histrionics.
  37. @Bill M
    It must be genetic. A long time ago, whites probably encountered superhumans who happened to be black, and so now whites associate blacks with superhumans. And anything and everything that ever occurs or happens is genetic, so this is genetic too. It's Occam's Razor. Occam was a superhuman black and if I say his name it's voodoo magic and it means it proves it was genetic.

    Replies: @Chiron

    The Hindu Gods have blue or black skin, Osiris had green skin.

    One Egyptian God named Min had black skin and a permanent erection.

  38. @ben tillman
    @Just sayin'


    Actually this might be one of the times when stereotypes are wrong.

    Blacks are actually more sensitive to pain.

    “Many studies conducted over the last few decades show that African Americans demonstrate lower pain thresholds and pain tolerance than people from other ethnic backgrounds. In tests gauging physical and verbal responses to pain, African Americans are consistently shown to be more sensitive. ”

    Maybe this is evidence that this is a stereotype that comes from the media, not real life.
     
    Maybe the researchers don't understand that "physical and verbal responses" aren't the same thing as pain. Blacks could feel less pain yet exhibit greater "physical and verbal responses".

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Maybe the researchers don’t understand that “physical and verbal responses” aren’t the same thing as pain. Blacks could feel less pain yet exhibit greater “physical and verbal responses”.

    I was thinking the same thing — maybe they’re just more apt to whine and complain and engage in histrionics.

  39. Actually when whites really ruled the roost the blacks viewed us as mysterious and superhuman. The Mexicans were in awe of the Yanqui aka Anglo and feared him and his legal system. This acted as a restraint on illegal immigration.

    Now with minorities on the ascendant with higher birthrates and open borders. With a minority El Presidente who continually talks about playing dictador via executive actions. It is the weak willed, lily livered, liberal whites who are in awe of magic Negros and other “authentic” third worlders. Women more than men, who tend to see through this hustle-racket-scam-image.

  40. I’m not so surprised current Americans associate the word “magic” with African Americans. Poor choice of stimulus, and one wonders what happens to the results when the reactions to this stimulus are excluded from the data analysis.

  41. Buckle in boys – time to wade through 40+ black cuckold fantasies at a time to read the one or two worthwhile comments, like the quip above about expoliating the results of some psych majors onto all whites.

  42. The whole racial redemption thing is not particularly Jewish, but Christian. It would have surprised the old Jewish moguls who backed say, DW Griffith and “Birth of a Nation” that they were behind Magical Negros. If you look at say, old Three Stooges or Jack Benny movies and shorts, you won’t find a very magical depiction of Black people. No Morgan Freeman, lots and lots of “feets don’t fail me now” stuff.

    Which is one reason TV is absent both Benny and the Stooges. Depictions of Black people are no-go areas now.

    I’d say there are three reasons for Magical Negroes. One: starting with Henry Ford, corporate owners have been desperate to make Blacks an acceptable labor force option to lower wages. Ford in particular helped move Black workers from Alabama cotton fields to his factories, where their real incomes rose considerably. And acted as an invisible and Proto-PC like check on White workers wages, since for every White worker there was a Black one more than willing to replace him. Union prevention not busting.

    Two: Christianity mutating into the inevitable form it has now, with all those inconvenient dictates by Jesus over sex taken out and all that stuff about sin and redemption cast into racial mode. Women do fall for this a lot more than men. Women like their men dumb and aggressive, and that characterizes many Black men and few White collar / Middle Class White guys.

    Three: There has been a liberal social movement, again pushed primarily by women as in the Temperance Movement, to make Blacks seem magical and good to integrate them into daily life. This has pushed against Black people’s very strong desire to self-segregate, to “keep it real” (to the disappointment of Charles Barkley who says he’s criticized for not being Black enough since he did not go to prison and can speak in standard English). Not to mention real life Black people not really being very magical.

    Against the real superior Athletic prowess of Black athletes in basketball and football, where in sheer athletic ability they are far superior to White athletes, not by small but by a large margin, you have the real life also higher criminality and lack of intelligence broadly speaking among not just the athletes, but larger underclass. In a way that does not characterize the White underclass.

    Black women are notoriously the least desired of all women, by men of all races. If you believe Satoshi Kanazawa’s study and real-life experiences. White women love Big Black Women being “sassy” — Oprah, Queen Latifah, Nell Carter, Esther Rolle. They look svelte besides them. Black men don’t seem to like Black women much: Big Momma’s House, Norbit, Medea, etc. Black comics ridiculing Black women for being: fat, stupid, ugly, and aggressive is a staple of Black comedy.

    I think we’ve reached peak acceptance of the Magical Negro. Too much real life exposure to real actual Black people makes magical stereotypes laughable. White women will hold onto that for a long time, but White men are IMHO increasingly willing to let that belief go; in favor of a more balanced look at Black people: possessing both positive and negative attributes, different from Whites in many ways, but not magical.

    No one really wants a Black doctor. No matter how many times they play one on TV.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Whiskey

    White women love Big Black Women being “sassy” — Oprah, Queen Latifah, Nell Carter, Esther Rolle.

    Esther Rolle was West Indian (although her accent had dissipated or was concealed by the time she was most famous). Her most famous character's signature was button-down decorum in and amongst the mishaps and bickering swirling around her. She may have been 'sassy' in some role, but not in the roles for which people would likely remember her. "Sassy" does not immediately come to mind re Winfrey, either, though I suppose a case could be made.

  43. I am sure White police officers in cities with a large Black population wish that the vast majority of Blacks really were Magic Negros. It would make their jobs a lot safer since Magic Negros tend to be non ghetto/non threatening.

  44. @Stealth
    @Simon in London

    False stereotype of black toughness?

    It's not so false. It's obvious that they're physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. This much you can glean by watching sports. And if you grew up around black kids, you'd also know that they're able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.

    Seriously, it's not so hard to acknowledge that white people are on average taller and more physically robust than Asian people, so why are we reluctant to acknowledge that blacks are more muscular, faster, and stronger than everybody else?

    Replies: @Simon in London, @conatus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    >>It’s not so false. It’s obvious that they’re physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. And if you grew up around black kids, you’d also know that they’re able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.<<

    1. ‘Stronger & faster’ is *not* ‘toughness’. West African blacks have more fast twitch muscle mass than whites; they are stronger and faster but have lower endurance. I saw this doing army training, which in the UK is mostly endurance based.

    2. Black kids grow faster and mature earlier than white kids, so you're not comparing like with like.
    But this childhood experience for white kids of being overawed by faster maturing black kids is likely the source of the myth.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Simon in London

    Fast black maturation is why schools should be segregated by race.

    , @Stealth
    @Simon in London

    It's not like the only black kids I knew were my age.

    As far as endurance=toughness is concerned, who would you pick to win in a fight between an Olympic sprinter and an Olympic endurance athlete? My money is on the sprinter. Otherwise, you'd see more boxers and wrestlers who look like skeletal marathon runners.

  45. Observation would suggest that Asians have a higher pain tolerance than whites or blacks. Especially those Taiwanese guys who pull heavy objects using their Johnsons.

  46. It’s pure nonsense.
    The ‘attributes’ that whites habitually and instinctively assign to blacks are more or less diametrically opposed to these supposed ‘magic’ attributes.
    I suspect it’s just another facet of a propaganda campaign to change white people’s thinking.

  47. It kind of surprises me there aren’t more Blacks guys in the self-help and motivational speaker scenes.

    I would have thought Blacks would have quite a lot to teach Whites and Asians regarding psychological issues like self-esteem.

  48. I don’t want to ruffle too many feathers here, or make trouble for the sake of making trouble, but my general impression of blacks, after years of encountering them, can be summed up in one word – ‘unpleasant’.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @Anonymous

    "I don’t want to ruffle too many feathers here, or make trouble for the sake of making trouble, but my general impression of blacks, after years of encountering them, can be summed up in one word – ‘unpleasant’."

    My experience after 12 years living in London is pretty much the opposite. However my limited experience of blacks in the northern USA was that they treated me extremely badly, apparently due to racial animosity. The blacks I encountered in the southern USA were fine.

    Blacks full of racial hatred towards whites will obviously treat whites badly, and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA. But it's certainly not universal.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Reg Cæsar

  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Stealth,
    This is an old old conversation, and honestly, I’ve got no dog in this fight, but just for the sake of completeness, if nothing else, I would like to establish the truth.
    Yes, I’ve got no doubt that blacks are blessed with more than their share of big tough men, but just by general observation alone there are an awful lot of scrawny, skinny, weakling black men walking about.
    On the question of black prowess at certain sports, how much can be drawn from this, I don’t know. Football requires bulk and fast running for certain positions – is this a true gauge of ‘strength’? Neither can professional boxing can be gauged as a test of strength, as it’s more about being hit and avoiding being hit.
    If by ‘strength’ you mean prowess at weight lifting, blacks do not particularly shine. Neither do they in Olympic wrestling. It is a complex question and not open to simplistic answers.

  50. @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    Jim Jaccard was both my first Statistics professor, when I was a PBR in Personality and Social Psychology at Purdue, and, later, my Major Professor for graduate school there. He is one of the most competent people in his chosen field that I ever have met, let alone had the great good fortune both to study under and to serve as a Research Assistant. He also is a talented musician who, while still an undergraduate at Berkeley, was reputedly invited to join a new rock band that later went on to some notoriety and commercial success: the Doobie Brothers. He also claimed to have stolen away the girlfriend of another young musician who went on to some notoriety and success, Dan Fogelberg, in Champaign-Urbana, during Jim's graduate-school days. I cannot vouch for those music-related claims, but the man surely knows his Stats!

    Replies: @Sean

    IMO these implict assiociation tests merely show that black Africans, especially men are percieved as more masculine, and hence robust, decisive and with mysterious qualities. But there is a lot of research showing that slight differences in skin colour identify a person as male or female (see here). You can do similar tests and get different reactions depending on the time of the womans monthly cycle. It is a fact that on those implicit association tests the naughty results are only significant for white females (especially those who have not dated a black).

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Sean

    Correction: the results are significant only for black male faces. (Whites who have dated outside their race proly means white females)

    , @D. K.
    @Sean

    I was merely commenting upon my own former mentor, Dr. Jaccard, who is one of the three authors of the paper that, in fact, undercuts the statistical validity of the IAT itself. One of the reasons that I quit Social Psychology, after earning my M.S. degree, was because I feared its being used to control human beings, rather than to understand and assist them.

  51. @Anonymous
    I don't want to ruffle too many feathers here, or make trouble for the sake of making trouble, but my general impression of blacks, after years of encountering them, can be summed up in one word - 'unpleasant'.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    “I don’t want to ruffle too many feathers here, or make trouble for the sake of making trouble, but my general impression of blacks, after years of encountering them, can be summed up in one word – ‘unpleasant’.”

    My experience after 12 years living in London is pretty much the opposite. However my limited experience of blacks in the northern USA was that they treated me extremely badly, apparently due to racial animosity. The blacks I encountered in the southern USA were fine.

    Blacks full of racial hatred towards whites will obviously treat whites badly, and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA. But it’s certainly not universal.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Simon in London

    My experience after 12 years living in London is pretty much the opposite.

    My impression is that London is still (1) pretty white, and (2) very racially stratified. The London riots and the Lee Rigby murder suggest a seething black underclass that so far is small enough that if you structure your life a certain way, they can be safely ignored.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Simon in London


    Blacks full of racial hatred towards whites will obviously treat whites badly, and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.
     
    No doubt related to the old maxim, "Down South, they don't care how close you come, as long as you don't rise too high; up north, they don't care how high you rise, as long as you don't come too close."

    Also, the urban Northeast and Midwest, whither blacks migrated en masse, is dominated by guilt-free "ethnic" descendants of Great Wave immigrants whose only ancestral connection to American slavery, if any, is a draft rioter or two. Blacks hate this. The term "honky" supposedly derives from "hunky", old slang for Hungarian, or Central European in general.

    Freedom is a bitch-- it exposes your limitations. Southern blacks are protected by "the soft bigotry of low expectations".

    Replies: @Art Deco

  52. There are tons of black motivational speakers and self-help gurus. They mostly sell their snake oil to other black people, which is ever the way of such things.

  53. I live in Atlanta and don’t know anybody anywhere on the politico-social spectrum who associates blacks with ‘superhuman’ or ‘magical.’ These results come across as surveys of people who know very few blacks. In other words, when you are around blacks a lot, every day, you are going to sort them from experience into ‘like me’ and ‘a lot like me’ or ‘not at all like me’ i.e., ghetto. Whereas if you’re living in Whitewhiteyville, Maine, seeing maybe one upper-tier black a year, blacks take on this mystical ‘Otherness,’ like Rousseau’s noble savage.

    Intelligent, liberal whites seem to lack any sense of boundaries or distinctions, even though they don’t hesitate to apply them to their own ethnic kin, e.g., ‘wrong side of the tracks,’ ‘trailer trash,’ ‘hicks,’ etc.

  54. @Simon in London
    @Anonymous

    "I don’t want to ruffle too many feathers here, or make trouble for the sake of making trouble, but my general impression of blacks, after years of encountering them, can be summed up in one word – ‘unpleasant’."

    My experience after 12 years living in London is pretty much the opposite. However my limited experience of blacks in the northern USA was that they treated me extremely badly, apparently due to racial animosity. The blacks I encountered in the southern USA were fine.

    Blacks full of racial hatred towards whites will obviously treat whites badly, and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA. But it's certainly not universal.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Reg Cæsar

    My experience after 12 years living in London is pretty much the opposite.

    My impression is that London is still (1) pretty white, and (2) very racially stratified. The London riots and the Lee Rigby murder suggest a seething black underclass that so far is small enough that if you structure your life a certain way, they can be safely ignored.

    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "My impression is that London is still (1) pretty white, and (2) very racially stratified"

    Nope, although there are some rich areas with lots of whites. It's officially about 60% white and overall very not-racially-stratified by US standards. There is a violent black underclass, but even this is generally not full of US-style racial hatred (Muslim Islamist converts like the Rigby killers obviously excepted). I know it can be hard for Americans to believe that not all blacks hate whites, but there y'go.

  55. @Stealth
    Is this for real? Did the term "magic negro" actually appear in the Boston Globe as anything other than a controversial quote? I think I'm still asleep and dreaming on the couch.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Something wacky is happening at Pravda, I mean, the Boston Globe. They just endorsed Republican Charlie Baker for governor!

    It must be the John Henry Effect.

  56. @Clyde
    @David


    In Honduras at least, los indios believe that los negros have a magically ability to metabolize low quality food.
     
    Such as what? Fruit bats and roadkill?

    Replies: @David

    More fiber, more gristle and greater toleration of putrefaction. It’s a belief I’ve encountered several times and never heard contested. Maybe blacks have a larger intestinal tract or higher stomach acidity? I know Hondurans think this because when I eat something they consider substandard or needlessly spartan, they comment on it by comparing me to a negro (their word).

    Steve, you once commented on hay. I don’t remember what you said, but I meant to tell you that in Honduras, in preparation for the dry season, a rancher will set aside some pasture, allowing it to die and dry in place. When fodder is needed, that pasture is opened up. They do not bring in hay at all. They bring in mais and sorghum to feed pigs but also let them run free to eat poop. Hondurans, even if they had a choice, have no sympathy at all with the suffering of animals, so during lean times, they will allow their farm animals to become emaciated almost to death.

  57. Steve, if this is a re-comment, please don’t post. Something went wrong when I tried to edit a typo and my comment became spam.

    Clyde,

    More fiber, more gristle, more putrefaction. I know Hondurans have this opinion for two reasons. One, they love to tick through the differences between their four major racial categories: Indio, Chino, Negro and Gringo. Two, when I am eating something substandard or unnecessarily spartan, people compare me to a Negro.

  58. @Simon in London
    @Anonymous

    "I don’t want to ruffle too many feathers here, or make trouble for the sake of making trouble, but my general impression of blacks, after years of encountering them, can be summed up in one word – ‘unpleasant’."

    My experience after 12 years living in London is pretty much the opposite. However my limited experience of blacks in the northern USA was that they treated me extremely badly, apparently due to racial animosity. The blacks I encountered in the southern USA were fine.

    Blacks full of racial hatred towards whites will obviously treat whites badly, and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA. But it's certainly not universal.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Reg Cæsar

    Blacks full of racial hatred towards whites will obviously treat whites badly, and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.

    No doubt related to the old maxim, “Down South, they don’t care how close you come, as long as you don’t rise too high; up north, they don’t care how high you rise, as long as you don’t come too close.”

    Also, the urban Northeast and Midwest, whither blacks migrated en masse, is dominated by guilt-free “ethnic” descendants of Great Wave immigrants whose only ancestral connection to American slavery, if any, is a draft rioter or two. Blacks hate this. The term “honky” supposedly derives from “hunky”, old slang for Hungarian, or Central European in general.

    Freedom is a bitch– it exposes your limitations. Southern blacks are protected by “the soft bigotry of low expectations”.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.

    It isn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  59. Perhaps I’m wrong about this, but I believe it’s impossible for any white who grew up around or nearby ghetto blacks to believe in numinous negroes. I also think whites who attended prestigious colleges with AA blacks are acutely aware of the limitations of the best and brightest blacks.

  60. @Reg Cæsar
    @Simon in London


    Blacks full of racial hatred towards whites will obviously treat whites badly, and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.
     
    No doubt related to the old maxim, "Down South, they don't care how close you come, as long as you don't rise too high; up north, they don't care how high you rise, as long as you don't come too close."

    Also, the urban Northeast and Midwest, whither blacks migrated en masse, is dominated by guilt-free "ethnic" descendants of Great Wave immigrants whose only ancestral connection to American slavery, if any, is a draft rioter or two. Blacks hate this. The term "honky" supposedly derives from "hunky", old slang for Hungarian, or Central European in general.

    Freedom is a bitch-- it exposes your limitations. Southern blacks are protected by "the soft bigotry of low expectations".

    Replies: @Art Deco

    and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.

    It isn’t.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    @Reg Cæsar

    and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.

    It isn’t.

     

    No, but that was Simon's observation. Perhaps the only blacks a visiting Englishman (other than Sir Paul) would encounter give that impression.

    The blacks in my neighborhood no doubt look down on whites, for our bad manners, filthy language, poor dress, drug use, bastard children and loose women. (Not to mention our sick white fantasy of "same-sex marriage".)

    That's because they're religious immigrants from East Africa.

  61. Actually this might be one of the times when stereotypes are wrong.

    Blacks are actually more sensitive to pain.

    “Many studies conducted over the last few decades show that African Americans demonstrate lower pain thresholds and pain tolerance than people from other ethnic backgrounds. In tests gauging physical and verbal responses to pain, African Americans are consistently shown to be more sensitive. ”
    Maybe this is evidence that this is a stereotype that comes from the media, not real life.

    But were they demonstrating a lower pain threshold, or a lower level of inhibition. Sounds like they took the black tendency to be demonstrative for pain.

    Blacks have no tradition of stoicism.

    Fisher Price Little People videos for preschoolers. Each character has some special ability. The black kid’s special ability is… magic!

    The whole point of the magic negro is to attribute intangible abilities to blacks because they haven’t got much in the tangible column.

  62. @Sunbeam
    " In a series of experiments, psychologists show that white people were quicker to associate superhuman words (ghost, paranormal, spirit, wizard, supernatural, magic, and mystical) with black faces relative to white faces."

    Huh? Uhhh actually black people don't really come to mind when I think of those words, nor do I think of black people when I hear them.

    "Also, when explicitly asked, white people indicated that a black person was more capable of possessing superhuman qualities—and would need less medication to alleviate pain—than a white person."

    Is this actually a thing? I have never heard this in my life. I'm curious as to where in the country these kinds of perceptions are common. This is news to me, that is for sure.

    Blacks feel less pain? This is really some kind of belief or stereotype?

    Replies: @AnAnon

    what were the other word options to associate with blacks?

  63. @Sean
    @D. K.

    IMO these implict assiociation tests merely show that black Africans, especially men are percieved as more masculine, and hence robust, decisive and with mysterious qualities. But there is a lot of research showing that slight differences in skin colour identify a person as male or female (see here). You can do similar tests and get different reactions depending on the time of the womans monthly cycle. It is a fact that on those implicit association tests the naughty results are only significant for white females (especially those who have not dated a black).

    Replies: @Sean, @D. K.

    Correction: the results are significant only for black male faces. (Whites who have dated outside their race proly means white females)

  64. Whites probably associate blacks with the word ghost because of the classic 1990 film Ghost Dad, which has become a tradition for many white families to watch on Martin Luther King day.

  65. Worshipping is racist.

  66. Bill Maher said Michael Brown was a thug. He also said Islam is the most violent religion in the world by a landslide.

    The older he gets, the more Bill Maher starts NOTICING things. I thought liberals were not suppose to NOTICE things.

    It’s good to know that Bill Maher is not a total zombie for the left wing cause and strays from the sheep once in awhile.

  67. @Simon in London
    @Stealth

    >>It’s not so false. It’s obvious that they’re physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. And if you grew up around black kids, you’d also know that they’re able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.<<

    1. 'Stronger & faster' is *not* 'toughness'. West African blacks have more fast twitch muscle mass than whites; they are stronger and faster but have lower endurance. I saw this doing army training, which in the UK is mostly endurance based.

    2. Black kids grow faster and mature earlier than white kids, so you're not comparing like with like.
    But this childhood experience for white kids of being overawed by faster maturing black kids is likely the source of the myth.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stealth

    Fast black maturation is why schools should be segregated by race.

  68. @Whiskey
    The whole racial redemption thing is not particularly Jewish, but Christian. It would have surprised the old Jewish moguls who backed say, DW Griffith and "Birth of a Nation" that they were behind Magical Negros. If you look at say, old Three Stooges or Jack Benny movies and shorts, you won't find a very magical depiction of Black people. No Morgan Freeman, lots and lots of "feets don't fail me now" stuff.

    Which is one reason TV is absent both Benny and the Stooges. Depictions of Black people are no-go areas now.

    I'd say there are three reasons for Magical Negroes. One: starting with Henry Ford, corporate owners have been desperate to make Blacks an acceptable labor force option to lower wages. Ford in particular helped move Black workers from Alabama cotton fields to his factories, where their real incomes rose considerably. And acted as an invisible and Proto-PC like check on White workers wages, since for every White worker there was a Black one more than willing to replace him. Union prevention not busting.

    Two: Christianity mutating into the inevitable form it has now, with all those inconvenient dictates by Jesus over sex taken out and all that stuff about sin and redemption cast into racial mode. Women do fall for this a lot more than men. Women like their men dumb and aggressive, and that characterizes many Black men and few White collar / Middle Class White guys.

    Three: There has been a liberal social movement, again pushed primarily by women as in the Temperance Movement, to make Blacks seem magical and good to integrate them into daily life. This has pushed against Black people's very strong desire to self-segregate, to "keep it real" (to the disappointment of Charles Barkley who says he's criticized for not being Black enough since he did not go to prison and can speak in standard English). Not to mention real life Black people not really being very magical.

    Against the real superior Athletic prowess of Black athletes in basketball and football, where in sheer athletic ability they are far superior to White athletes, not by small but by a large margin, you have the real life also higher criminality and lack of intelligence broadly speaking among not just the athletes, but larger underclass. In a way that does not characterize the White underclass.

    Black women are notoriously the least desired of all women, by men of all races. If you believe Satoshi Kanazawa's study and real-life experiences. White women love Big Black Women being "sassy" -- Oprah, Queen Latifah, Nell Carter, Esther Rolle. They look svelte besides them. Black men don't seem to like Black women much: Big Momma's House, Norbit, Medea, etc. Black comics ridiculing Black women for being: fat, stupid, ugly, and aggressive is a staple of Black comedy.

    I think we've reached peak acceptance of the Magical Negro. Too much real life exposure to real actual Black people makes magical stereotypes laughable. White women will hold onto that for a long time, but White men are IMHO increasingly willing to let that belief go; in favor of a more balanced look at Black people: possessing both positive and negative attributes, different from Whites in many ways, but not magical.

    No one really wants a Black doctor. No matter how many times they play one on TV.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    White women love Big Black Women being “sassy” — Oprah, Queen Latifah, Nell Carter, Esther Rolle.

    Esther Rolle was West Indian (although her accent had dissipated or was concealed by the time she was most famous). Her most famous character’s signature was button-down decorum in and amongst the mishaps and bickering swirling around her. She may have been ‘sassy’ in some role, but not in the roles for which people would likely remember her. “Sassy” does not immediately come to mind re Winfrey, either, though I suppose a case could be made.

  69. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Simon in London

    My experience after 12 years living in London is pretty much the opposite.

    My impression is that London is still (1) pretty white, and (2) very racially stratified. The London riots and the Lee Rigby murder suggest a seething black underclass that so far is small enough that if you structure your life a certain way, they can be safely ignored.

    Replies: @Simon in London

    “My impression is that London is still (1) pretty white, and (2) very racially stratified”

    Nope, although there are some rich areas with lots of whites. It’s officially about 60% white and overall very not-racially-stratified by US standards. There is a violent black underclass, but even this is generally not full of US-style racial hatred (Muslim Islamist converts like the Rigby killers obviously excepted). I know it can be hard for Americans to believe that not all blacks hate whites, but there y’go.

  70. Superheroes primarily tend to be super-human in mostly physical capacities. Superman can leap tall buildings, the Flash can run really fast, Wolverine can withstand a lot of damage, the Hulk is big and tough. Superheroes with primarily mental capabilities are more rare. Professor X, maybe Spiderman’s super-fast reflexes, Batman’s high intelligence, but he’s just as physically superior. To many the closest thing to real-life superheroes are professional athletes demonstrating amazing physical prowess while defeating the bad guys from the other team.

  71. I’m with Simon; I find northern blacks much more unpalatable, probably because of the phony way they’re treated by transparently smarmy white libertards.

    I would ask the wide-eyed fanboys of black physical prowess to spend some time in a weight room. Unlike their purported phallic endowment, in the weight room the brothers usually come up a little short.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Bill Maher said Michael Brown was a thug. He also said Islam is the most violent religion in the world by a landslide.

    The older he gets, the more Bill Maher starts NOTICING things. I thought liberals were not suppose to NOTICE things.

    It’s good to know that Bill Maher is not a total zombie for the left wing cause and strays from the sheep once in awhile.

    He strays a lot. But he also said Wilson murdered the Gentle Giant.

    I know it can be hard for Americans to believe that not all blacks hate whites, but there y’go.

    Give it time. Blacks here came to resent whites not just because of The Narrative, but also out of envy. It’s one thing to have a sprinkling of blacks or to have small black populations here or there. But when they’re 12% of the population and they’ve been around forever, they’re going to have settled into a have-not class that resents whites.

  73. @Sean
    @D. K.

    IMO these implict assiociation tests merely show that black Africans, especially men are percieved as more masculine, and hence robust, decisive and with mysterious qualities. But there is a lot of research showing that slight differences in skin colour identify a person as male or female (see here). You can do similar tests and get different reactions depending on the time of the womans monthly cycle. It is a fact that on those implicit association tests the naughty results are only significant for white females (especially those who have not dated a black).

    Replies: @Sean, @D. K.

    I was merely commenting upon my own former mentor, Dr. Jaccard, who is one of the three authors of the paper that, in fact, undercuts the statistical validity of the IAT itself. One of the reasons that I quit Social Psychology, after earning my M.S. degree, was because I feared its being used to control human beings, rather than to understand and assist them.

  74. “I would ask the wide-eyed fanboys of black physical prowess to spend some time in a weight room. Unlike their purported phallic endowment, in the weight room the brothers usually come up a little short.”

    I’m an avid weightlifter and attend a gym where a good portion of serious lifters work out. At any given time someone’s usually doing 315+ benches or 455+ squats lbs for reps (crucially with proper form). So I come across more than my fair share of heavy lifters. Despite blacks making up only about 4% of the area’s population, I’d say at least a quarter of the “strong dudes” at the gym are black. I’ve seen black guys with good frames who’ve never lifted come in and bench 225 on their first try.

    West African musculature is more optimized for explosive power over maximizing force performed (in the physics sense). The most explosive athletic activities are going to be highly dominated by blacks. Nearly all world-class sprinters are black. As you go from power to force whites will do better. Blacks do relatively better at clean and jerks, whereas as deadlifts are totally dominated by Northern Europeans. As the musculature is pushed to its physiological limit blacks fall out because they land on the wrong side of the power/force division.

    But for rest of the 99% of the population the much more relevant dimension is the overall development and concentration of type II muscle fibers. Someone with significantly less of these is still going to bench a lot less, even if his neuro-musculature is oriented towards force over power. So while the strongest white lifters are stronger than the strongest black lifters, at the median, 90th and 99th percentile blacks are much stronger than whites.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Doug

    My standards are a bit more exacting: the ability to max above a 450+ bench, 600+ squat. And you seem to know the truth of that group. Guys who use the 5 and 10 lb. plates need not apply.

    Black men, as a group at any gym, are on average in far better shape (musculature, not strength) and more serious than their white counterparts. As my girlfriend points out, their body is all a lot of them have to offer.

    Replies: @Doug

  75. @Simon in London
    @Stealth

    >>It’s not so false. It’s obvious that they’re physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. And if you grew up around black kids, you’d also know that they’re able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.<<

    1. 'Stronger & faster' is *not* 'toughness'. West African blacks have more fast twitch muscle mass than whites; they are stronger and faster but have lower endurance. I saw this doing army training, which in the UK is mostly endurance based.

    2. Black kids grow faster and mature earlier than white kids, so you're not comparing like with like.
    But this childhood experience for white kids of being overawed by faster maturing black kids is likely the source of the myth.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Stealth

    It’s not like the only black kids I knew were my age.

    As far as endurance=toughness is concerned, who would you pick to win in a fight between an Olympic sprinter and an Olympic endurance athlete? My money is on the sprinter. Otherwise, you’d see more boxers and wrestlers who look like skeletal marathon runners.

  76. @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.

    It isn't.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    and this seems to be ubiquitous in the northern USA.

    It isn’t.

    No, but that was Simon’s observation. Perhaps the only blacks a visiting Englishman (other than Sir Paul) would encounter give that impression.

    The blacks in my neighborhood no doubt look down on whites, for our bad manners, filthy language, poor dress, drug use, bastard children and loose women. (Not to mention our sick white fantasy of “same-sex marriage”.)

    That’s because they’re religious immigrants from East Africa.

  77. Well, any time a video game allows me to choose the race of my character, I always choose “black.” Why? Video game producers always get a guy with a deep, booming voice to do the main “black” voice, so I always go for that because it makes my character sound more heroic when he’s talking about how he’s going to go out there and kick some orc/alien/zombie ass.

  78. The magic lives! In the land of the Lutheran (Lake Wobegon and surrounds), the belief runs hot. Many a milquetoastian sweater-wearer has flung his or her erstwhile daughter, vulva first, against the magical black oak in hopes of receiving absolution and redemption from one vexing “ism” or another.

    Of course it never works, but it does keep the Lutheran Family Services staffers busy tending to scores of now unmarriable single moms.

  79. @Ergot
    Detrimental to blacks who need pain meds. There are probably numerous explanations for why doctors underprescribe opiates to blacks vs whites. It is a real phenomenon.

    Replies: @donut

    I have worked at two inner city hospitals ; because of the high number of drug seeking patients the doctors on the medical floors tended not prescribe appropriately for what was obviously legitimate pain.Not so on surgical floors or patients with sickle cell anemia . Also a patient with any drug history had an uphill battle getting sufficient pain meds.

  80. @Doug
    "I would ask the wide-eyed fanboys of black physical prowess to spend some time in a weight room. Unlike their purported phallic endowment, in the weight room the brothers usually come up a little short."

    I'm an avid weightlifter and attend a gym where a good portion of serious lifters work out. At any given time someone's usually doing 315+ benches or 455+ squats lbs for reps (crucially with proper form). So I come across more than my fair share of heavy lifters. Despite blacks making up only about 4% of the area's population, I'd say at least a quarter of the "strong dudes" at the gym are black. I've seen black guys with good frames who've never lifted come in and bench 225 on their first try.

    West African musculature is more optimized for explosive power over maximizing force performed (in the physics sense). The most explosive athletic activities are going to be highly dominated by blacks. Nearly all world-class sprinters are black. As you go from power to force whites will do better. Blacks do relatively better at clean and jerks, whereas as deadlifts are totally dominated by Northern Europeans. As the musculature is pushed to its physiological limit blacks fall out because they land on the wrong side of the power/force division.

    But for rest of the 99% of the population the much more relevant dimension is the overall development and concentration of type II muscle fibers. Someone with significantly less of these is still going to bench a lot less, even if his neuro-musculature is oriented towards force over power. So while the strongest white lifters are stronger than the strongest black lifters, at the median, 90th and 99th percentile blacks are much stronger than whites.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    My standards are a bit more exacting: the ability to max above a 450+ bench, 600+ squat. And you seem to know the truth of that group. Guys who use the 5 and 10 lb. plates need not apply.

    Black men, as a group at any gym, are on average in far better shape (musculature, not strength) and more serious than their white counterparts. As my girlfriend points out, their body is all a lot of them have to offer.

    • Replies: @Doug
    @Brutusale

    Fair enough.

  81. @Brutusale
    @Doug

    My standards are a bit more exacting: the ability to max above a 450+ bench, 600+ squat. And you seem to know the truth of that group. Guys who use the 5 and 10 lb. plates need not apply.

    Black men, as a group at any gym, are on average in far better shape (musculature, not strength) and more serious than their white counterparts. As my girlfriend points out, their body is all a lot of them have to offer.

    Replies: @Doug

    Fair enough.

  82. This reminds of a TV interview Salman Rushdie did several years ago. He said that for “about thirty minutes” during the 1960’s, it was extremely cool to be east Indian or of east Indian descent in America and Britain. This was probably due to the Beatles association with Ravi Shankar, who inspired some of their songs, like “The Inner Light,” and such. He said westerners projected deeply spiritual qualities on Indians, even though they were, by his estimation, no more spiritual than anyone else. That was the stereotype of Indians for an uninformed public back then. So it is with blacks today, and whites today who are informed by Hollywood. (In other words, uninformed.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J1234

    Nehru jackets were cool around 1966.

    , @D. K.
    @J1234

    I think it was the Beatles' involvement with Transcendental Meditation, along with other celebrities of the late-1960s, that really caused the phenomenon, rather than George's adopting of the sitar for some of the Beatles recordings, beginning with "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" in 1965.

  83. Delete

  84. @J1234
    This reminds of a TV interview Salman Rushdie did several years ago. He said that for "about thirty minutes" during the 1960's, it was extremely cool to be east Indian or of east Indian descent in America and Britain. This was probably due to the Beatles association with Ravi Shankar, who inspired some of their songs, like "The Inner Light," and such. He said westerners projected deeply spiritual qualities on Indians, even though they were, by his estimation, no more spiritual than anyone else. That was the stereotype of Indians for an uninformed public back then. So it is with blacks today, and whites today who are informed by Hollywood. (In other words, uninformed.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @D. K.

    Nehru jackets were cool around 1966.

  85. @Anonymous
    It's due to a combination of media worship, a flamboyant high self-esteem, and physical prowess.

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    Is there actually clear evidence that Blacks are physically stronger than Whites?

    They tend to have more fast twitch muscle fibres that give them an edge in sprinting and jumping, but that’s about it. The average Boer farmer is probably stronger than most Black South Africans for example. Having fast twitch muscles doesn’t necessarily make you more physically dominant either, slower opponents can use dirty tactics and wrestling moves to avoid getting out punched or kicked by a faster opponent.

    In terms of physical strength I would say Polynesians are strongest, and Whites and Blacks are about the same. Asians are smaller, but are often pretty strong for their size and built. The mental toughness thing is questionable as well. Black men do tend to have more maschismo but tend to be weaker on mental discipline and seem to be worse at handling chronic stress.

  86. Blacks used to think Whites were magical. Great White Juju. Now the tables have turned. I blame Morgan Freeman.

  87. @Stealth
    @Simon in London

    False stereotype of black toughness?

    It's not so false. It's obvious that they're physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. This much you can glean by watching sports. And if you grew up around black kids, you'd also know that they're able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.

    Seriously, it's not so hard to acknowledge that white people are on average taller and more physically robust than Asian people, so why are we reluctant to acknowledge that blacks are more muscular, faster, and stronger than everybody else?

    Replies: @Simon in London, @conatus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I always thought they were stronger too, until I watched the program ‘Survivor.’
    I was shocked at the number of times a big buffed black guy got tired and gave up. Maybe it had more to do with endurance and being hungry. But that is my scientific evidence.

  88. @J1234
    This reminds of a TV interview Salman Rushdie did several years ago. He said that for "about thirty minutes" during the 1960's, it was extremely cool to be east Indian or of east Indian descent in America and Britain. This was probably due to the Beatles association with Ravi Shankar, who inspired some of their songs, like "The Inner Light," and such. He said westerners projected deeply spiritual qualities on Indians, even though they were, by his estimation, no more spiritual than anyone else. That was the stereotype of Indians for an uninformed public back then. So it is with blacks today, and whites today who are informed by Hollywood. (In other words, uninformed.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @D. K.

    I think it was the Beatles’ involvement with Transcendental Meditation, along with other celebrities of the late-1960s, that really caused the phenomenon, rather than George’s adopting of the sitar for some of the Beatles recordings, beginning with “Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)” in 1965.

  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I absolutely do not believe these conclusions. I’d like to see how this “study” was conducted at the most elemental levels. Who was sampled and the questions asked. I read one response above that leads me to believe that the individual is more than familiar with statistical methodology. He should have taken the trouble to explain how easily polls such as this can be “sexed” up to yield the desired conclusions instead of blathering gossip about musical prowess and girlfriends. It should be fairly obvious by now that most white Americans are and have been suffering from “Negro Fatigue” for a long time now. It’s just that recently a few big headline events have pushed them to the point where now they’re more willing to admit it. Trayvon and the Ferguson riots specifically. As for myself. I can’t stand blacks and want nothing to do with them. Their over representation on TV is one of the reasons I stopped watching it about 12 years ago. I don’t want these worthless excuses for human beings in the privacy of my own home in any way, shape or form.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Anonymous

    No, you actually misread my first comment on Dr. Jaccard, above, since he was one of the co-authors of the paper cited-- early on in the comments, rather than in Steve's post itself-- which undercuts the statistics behind the IAT itself. In my second comment, I explained this again, to someone else who seemed to have missed the point. You might try, for a start, to grasp the difference between a poll and a social-scientific study, like the one being discussed in Steve's post-- if you can find the time, in between your workouts in the weight room....

  90. I always thought they were stronger too, until I watched the program ‘Survivor.’
    I was shocked at the number of times a big buffed black guy got tired and gave up.

    I’m talking about the kind of physical strength and toughness that wins a physical fight, not the ability to jog a mile without collapsing. If an opponent is large and tough enough to win a fight, I seriously doubt he’s going to run out of breath and faint before he throws the first punch.

    • Replies: @Matt
    @Stealth

    Lol Blacks on average are horrible fighters. That's why they so commonly attack in groups, and in my experience, have their white buddies take care of fights for them if that's an option.

  91. @Stealth
    I always thought they were stronger too, until I watched the program ‘Survivor.’
    I was shocked at the number of times a big buffed black guy got tired and gave up.


    I'm talking about the kind of physical strength and toughness that wins a physical fight, not the ability to jog a mile without collapsing. If an opponent is large and tough enough to win a fight, I seriously doubt he's going to run out of breath and faint before he throws the first punch.

    Replies: @Matt

    Lol Blacks on average are horrible fighters. That’s why they so commonly attack in groups, and in my experience, have their white buddies take care of fights for them if that’s an option.

  92. @Anonymous
    I absolutely do not believe these conclusions. I'd like to see how this "study" was conducted at the most elemental levels. Who was sampled and the questions asked. I read one response above that leads me to believe that the individual is more than familiar with statistical methodology. He should have taken the trouble to explain how easily polls such as this can be "sexed" up to yield the desired conclusions instead of blathering gossip about musical prowess and girlfriends. It should be fairly obvious by now that most white Americans are and have been suffering from "Negro Fatigue" for a long time now. It's just that recently a few big headline events have pushed them to the point where now they're more willing to admit it. Trayvon and the Ferguson riots specifically. As for myself. I can't stand blacks and want nothing to do with them. Their over representation on TV is one of the reasons I stopped watching it about 12 years ago. I don't want these worthless excuses for human beings in the privacy of my own home in any way, shape or form.

    Replies: @D. K.

    No, you actually misread my first comment on Dr. Jaccard, above, since he was one of the co-authors of the paper cited– early on in the comments, rather than in Steve’s post itself– which undercuts the statistics behind the IAT itself. In my second comment, I explained this again, to someone else who seemed to have missed the point. You might try, for a start, to grasp the difference between a poll and a social-scientific study, like the one being discussed in Steve’s post– if you can find the time, in between your workouts in the weight room….

  93. SWPL WASPs are stereotyped as worshipping Negroes. My people the Italians are stereotyped as being racist against Negroes.

    Here is a Mad TV skit where an Italian American family does not like that one of the males of the family is dating a Black woman.

    And here is an SNL skit where Joe Pesci tries to discourage an Italian American woman from dating a Black guy which is played by Chris Rock.
    https://screen.yahoo.com/bensonhurst-dating-game-000000629.html

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jefferson

    Could be because Italian-Americans are stereotyped as being above average in "alpha genes".

    In Goodfellas Joe Pesci's character had an obvious problem with his GF thinking it was cool that Sammy Davis was an attractive entertainer. The actress, by the way, later played the lead role in Spike Lee's Jungle Fever.

    Just a coincidence and nothing to see here.

  94. I’m talking about the kind of physical strength and toughness that wins a physical fight, not the ability to jog a mile without collapsing. If an opponent is large and tough enough to win a fight, I seriously doubt he’s going to run out of breath and faint before he throws the first punch.

    Actually, if you want to get to what wins a physical fight, endurance is really important. The guy with better endurance and breath control will be okay after a minute of grappling, while the guy with inferior endurance and breath control will be out of gas and easy pickins. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

    Obviously, strength and size are important too, or weight classes wouldn’t be ubiquitous, but professional fighters are usually pretty close in terms of conditioning, too.

  95. @Stealth
    @Simon in London

    False stereotype of black toughness?

    It's not so false. It's obvious that they're physically stronger and faster, on average, than white people. This much you can glean by watching sports. And if you grew up around black kids, you'd also know that they're able to withstand blows that would leave white children on the ground crying and clutching whatever part of them got hit.

    Seriously, it's not so hard to acknowledge that white people are on average taller and more physically robust than Asian people, so why are we reluctant to acknowledge that blacks are more muscular, faster, and stronger than everybody else?

    Replies: @Simon in London, @conatus, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The same reason why people are reluctant to acknowledge that blacks on average have smaller and lower weighing brains. Brain size and weight have been directly linked to IQ.

    Just the finish the sentence. If blacks are more muscular and stronger than whites, they are also less intelligent than whites in average IQ.

    The real surprise would be if a study were done where white people tend to associate intelligence and upper level IQ with blacks.

  96. @Jefferson
    SWPL WASPs are stereotyped as worshipping Negroes. My people the Italians are stereotyped as being racist against Negroes.

    Here is a Mad TV skit where an Italian American family does not like that one of the males of the family is dating a Black woman.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vWdxipyJR0

    And here is an SNL skit where Joe Pesci tries to discourage an Italian American woman from dating a Black guy which is played by Chris Rock.
    https://screen.yahoo.com/bensonhurst-dating-game-000000629.html

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Could be because Italian-Americans are stereotyped as being above average in “alpha genes”.

    In Goodfellas Joe Pesci’s character had an obvious problem with his GF thinking it was cool that Sammy Davis was an attractive entertainer. The actress, by the way, later played the lead role in Spike Lee’s Jungle Fever.

    Just a coincidence and nothing to see here.

  97. How many Nobel Prizes have blacks won..?
    The Peace prize doesn’t count.
    Magic Negoes my ass.

  98. @P
    potentially detrimental process through which Whites perceive Blacks

    LOL. If they had obtained the opposite result, is there any doubt that they would also have described it as "potentially detrimental" to blacks? Heads I win, tails you lose.

    There's a recent technical paper showing that a popular scoring algorithm used with implicit association tests may produce extreme bias. Lots of studies using that algorithm may have reported spurious findings.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Stealth, @Wally

    Jim Brown,Jesse Owens,Usain Bolt,Lawrence Taylor,Pele,just to name a few.Only the Black race
    can produce supermen like these.

  99. This deserves a 100th comment.

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