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  1. J.Ross says:

    This is supposed to be Chinese police chat logs. If they’re accurate, we need to arrest anyone who gets in the way of closing the border. Or we could just, y’know, let the free market decide.

    View post on imgur.com


    No one is allowed to spread any information until this is authorized.
    Masks don’t work.
    The government refuses to give real numbers, just like last time.
    We personally estimate to be over 10,000.
    [Deaths in private homes not counted in official tallies.]
    All information held back by the government.
    Medical support is nothing but psychological comfort.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Corn
    , @kihowi
  2. Me says:

    1) Why did they allow the flight to take off from John Wayne in the first place?

    2) If everyone knows Fog and weather cause a lot of helicopter/plane crashes…why? Why does it still happen?

    3) Be a Finn…go to the sauna daily if you can find one….the next time you get the flu you’ll be over it within 36 hours with lighter symptoms. And your welcome.

    4) Impeachment…I’m so over it…I do not care. Stop Immigration Trump. Disown your daughter. Bye.

  3. Twitter today was hilarious. Lefties were furious that Trump didn’t tweet something immediately about Bryant. This may be the first time they whined that Trump didn’t tweet. And of course they demanded he do so after first lamenting that it wasn’t Trump in that chopper. The insanity is beyond parody at this point but it sure is entertaining.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @Wally
  4. JimDandy says:

    Media: “Oh, yeah, that pandemic thing? Never mind, a celeb just died.”

    • Agree: Owen C.
  5. You just know that as that chopper plunged Earthward the last thought to cross Kobe’s mind was something like, “Some way, some how, this is all Shaq’s fault”.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @Kronos
  6. In order: don’t care, don’t care, trying very, very hard not to care.

    • Agree: Alden
  7. MSNBC reporter says Kobe Bryant played for the Los Angeles “N*ggers.”

    There’s a petition to get her fired.

  8. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    The Kobe news seems to be the biggest story of the 3. Trump and the Dem candidates have all commented on it. Even world leaders like Netanyahu have commented on it. Kobe played right after the Jordan era, when the NBA was at its peak, so maybe that’s why there’s so much attention.

    Kobe was the son of a pro basketball player and had a cosmopolitan upbringing, rather than being from the ‘hood. You’ve written before about how NBA players and pro athletes are increasingly the sons of pros and from middle class backgrounds rather than rising from obscurity in the hood.

  9. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    I was surprised to learn that Kobe reconnected with his Catholic faith after the infidelity and rape allegation and would attend Mass.

    Singer Cristina Ballestero posted a story of her encounter with Bryant at Holy Family Cathedral in Orange, California at a weekday Mass.

    “As we went up to communion, [Bryant] waited for me to go. If you grew up in the Catholic Church, you understand this is a respectful thing men do in church as a sign of respect to women. He said I have a beautiful voice.”

    “His most inspiring trait was his decision to turn to his faith in God and receive God’s mercy and to be a better man after a regretful decision,” Ballestero added.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-catholic-faith-of-kobe-bryant-77371

    It was admirable that he never gave up in his marriage after his infidelity mistake and his wife filing for divorce. He worked hard to keep his marriage and did. Very, very admirable.

  10. Hail says: • Website

    What will be the top #WhoKilledKobe conspiracy-theories?

    (Posted in another thread:)

    I went to InfoWars for the latest theorizing on Who Killed Kobe; they didn’t disappoint, but the theorizing is still in the process of formation.

    Current InfoWars headline:

    STAR-KILLING IS A REAL PHENOMENON & KOBE BRYANT’S TRAGIC HELICOPTER CRASH SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED

    As if the normal procedure is to NOT investigate, ask no questions, and close book ASAP.

    Alex Jones explains how Kobe Bryant’s tragic death warrants an investigation given the establishment has a track record of killing stars who buck the system.

    Millionaire, celebrity, ultimate insider, Obama crony, Kobe Bryant “bucked the system”?

    __________________

    An astute reply:

    Ozymandias says:
    January 27, 2020 at 3:10 am GMT
    @Hail

    Millionaire, celebrity, ultimate insider, Obama crony, Kobe Bryant “bucked the system”?”

    Well the people on TV are telling me that he was a HERO, and the world will now go into mourning. You’ve got to admit there aren’t that many rapist heroes, so he’s kind of bucking the system.

  11. At the risk of sounding like an a**hole, I really do not care about Kobe Bryant. Obviously, any deaths in this manner are tragic and senseless, and it also sucks that his daughter died as well.

    That said, someone like Kobe wouldn’t piss on his fans if they were on fire; and people seriously need to stop worshipping celebrities. Also, how come we’re not hearing about the other people who died in the crash. Do their lives not matter?

    It would be one thing if Kobe were a brilliant inventor, scholar, dedicated political activist, or someone else who really changed the world for the better. However good he was at his craft, Kobe dribbled a ball for a living. Sure, he provided entertainment, and some people have been inspired by his grit; but it’s not like civilization would really be worse off had Kobe never been drafted in the 1996 NBA draft.

    I’m just saying that people need to keep things in perspective.

    • Agree: LondonBob, Old Prude, Thea
    • Thanks: Liza
  12. Anonymous[710] • Disclaimer says:

    You mean you want us to connect all the subjects together for commentary?

    Okay…

    Greta Thunberg is a powerful witch.

    If you do anything that creates unnecessary global warming… she’ll get you.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  13. Anon[440] • Disclaimer says:

    Kobe was big in China, and involved in various business and cultural ventures there.

    There’s footage of a Chinese guy trying to take down Kobe’s helicopter shortly before the crash:

    • Thanks: Father O'Hara
  14. @JohnnyWalker123

    Black Twitter in their usual forgiving (and semi-literate) mood:

    From the New York Post:

    But some skeptics on Twitter were not buying Morris’ explanations.

    “Girl just quit it’s Over for you. On behalf of the internet, we don’t forgive you,” one user wrote.

    Another Twitter user insisted: “Nah you said the whole thing, own up to it.”

    OT: But for a supposedly center-right newspaper, the NY Post spends a lot of time inflaming anti-white racism by disseminating stuff like this.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    , @LondonBob
  15. Anonymous[655] • Disclaimer says:

    With the Grammys they’ve finally found a TV production less interesting than impeachment. The only nominations anyone’s heard of are the two queens of clickbait/manufactured-controversy, i.e. the skinny white chick and the big fat black one. Unless you’re a tween girl or a gay man you wouldn’t know any of the songs though.

    Kobe Bryant at least makes a more sympathetic victim of the system than Markle.

  16. @JohnnyWalker123

    Makes more sense than “Lakers”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  17. Jim Given says:

    I don’t yet understand why this is being described in dramatic, apocalyptic terms.

    Pneumonia can be life-threatening. It is serious even in healthy adults. It can kill the elderly; the chronically ill; the very young.

    This seems to be in a category with SARS, but probably not as serious. It is no “pandemic.”

    Anyone have real information showing this is quite wrong?

    • Replies: @415 reasons
    , @Momus
  18. Anonymous[710] • Disclaimer says:

    Separately, I’d say…

    Impeachment is a dead man walking. Nobody cares, because it’s asinine.

    Kobe… the guy can get up-to-the-minute weather reports on his damned IPhone. It’s his responsibility to make sure he and his daughter are safe. If there’s fog all over the fuck in Camerillo, he has to ditch the flight. Nobody will take care of your ass better than you, Kobe. So you’ve learned.

    The virus is making me reconsider my anti-open-borders stance. Maybe if we get more liberal with immigration from virusy lands, a virus can solve our global warming problem via dynamic population reduction. It used to be major wars that restrained ridiculous levels of population growth. Wars are unpopular now. Let’s give viruses a chance.

  19. Anonymous[654] • Disclaimer says:

    Jack Nicholson sounds pretty drunk:

    • Replies: @Jack D
  20. JimDandy says:
    @Hail

    What happened to #believewomen when it came to Kobe? Will the #metoo loudmouth leaders have the balls to bring all that up now and spark a truly spectacular circular firing squad? Probably not.

    • Replies: @Hail
  21. Veracitor says:

    Kobe Bryant’s wife Vanessa has great hair.

    My sympathies to her and Kobe’s whole family.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  22. @JohnnyWalker123

    No mention of Neil Peart’s death?

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  23. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    “Masks don’t work” is true in the “pulling out isn’t reliable birth control” sense. It’s better than nothing. Mask efficacy is not zero percent. In the context of walking around the neighborhood and doing your grocery shopping, they are probably in the 50 percent effective range. Doctor’s office waiting room? 10 percent?

    The problem is:

    — You need contact with n viruses to be infected

    — The immediate atmosphere contains m viruses per cubic centimeter

    — You are in the environment for p minutes

    Something that intercepts, say, 50 percent of viruses, which are usually borne on liquid micro-droplets that will stick to mask fibers if they are unlucky, will decrease your risk a little bit. With something that spreads exponentially, not linearly, that is useful to you and to the community and region you live in.

    Circa 1980 the CDC published a study that estimated the chance of getting AIDS from a mosquito. Public health officials said there was zero chance. In fact, the chance was greater than zero, although it was very, very unlikely, so you cannot fault the public health people for “rounding down.” But the study was interesting in how they came up with their estimates, 4 retroviruses necessary for infection, mosquito liquid capacity, mosquitoes per cubic meter per hour, number of bits per mosquito, and so on.

  24. Corn says:
    @J.Ross

    “If they’re accurate, we need to arrest anyone who gets in the way of closing the border.”

    A pandemic may kill five million Americans, but if we let our diversity become a casualty of this…..

  25. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:

    Now if only the rest of the NBA would go down in flames…I’ll continue to pray that it does (along with the NFL). No tears here.

    • Agree: Liza, Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @bruce county
  26. I can honestly say that until today when a TV was blaring at me about this “tragedy” that I had no idea who Kobe Bryant was. I now know he played basketball.

    I’d heard his name hundreds of times, but I had no inclination to learn more. I still don’t.

    Yes, Dave, Neil Peart should have been mourned here, as on Peak Stupidity.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @David
  27. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A dead celebrity isn’t news. And yet we wonder why the West is falling deeper into an Iron Age?

    Perhaps more should be reading Savitri Devi rather than watching the idiot box.

  28. It is likely that many people on this blog will assume the worst about the sexual assault case involving Kobe. I’m not saying Kobe was the best person in the world, but the accuser was most likely digging for gold.

    I’ll give Kobe Credit. He definitely didn’t resemble the typical black NBA player. He got over a 1000 on his SAT, was well-spoken, and spoke 3 languages. RIP, Kobe, his daughter and the other victims of the crash.

    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @Jack D
    , @sayless
  29. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:

    Re coronavirus:

    I have a many tv news apps from USA/EU installed and there is still an embargo on the word QUARANTINE from video anchors. Print version of Daily mail is an exception.

    Video news has a coordinated embargo in my opinion all over the west.

    This embargo is still in effect even though today the incubation period was increased to 14 fucking days and virus is announced as infectious from people with no fucking symptoms!

    Of course our intel community knew this many days ago. They know all about the theft from the lab in Canada and the weaponizing.

    Anyway the quarantine method is the only damn thing that can slow down the infection rate obviously and we still don’t have any discussion of the issue in our news!

    This is just the latest evidence that we live under a hostile elite. They are suppressing our national immune response to a health crisis again the same as during the Obama years. Trump was hired to fix this crap. He should’ve come out three weeks ago with the quarantine orders and totally shut off china travel at least a week ago.

    Our intel community knows all about this virus and its Canadian espionage back story. Info is at zerohedge etc.

  30. Lugash says:

    1) Don’t care.

    2) Helicopters are the abattoirs of the rich and famous. Unless you need to ride in one for work or sightseeing, stay out of them.

    2b) I shouldn’t be surprised at Black Twitter’s vicious response to what looks like an hones mistake, but I am.

    3) Anyone in China who can stand in line at a hospital for hours isn’t sick (enough) to warrant being at the hospital and should go home before they infect themselves.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Muggles
  31. Jack D says:

    Kobe, like JFK, Jr., died of being too rich and famous. When you are rich and famous, no one is willing to say no to you The gods have smiled on you and will smile upon you always, so you can do really stupid shit and no harm will befall you (or so you think). You’re like Superman -the rules that apply to ordinary mortals no longer apply to you. You can literally commit murder and get away with it – ask OJ.

    Supposedly, during Roman victory parades, a slave would hold a laurel wreath over the head of the winning general as he rode in his chariot, but it was part of his job to continuously whisper in the ears of the general “Memento Mori” (“remember you are mortal”) to prevent the celebrated commander from losing his head in the excesses of the celebrations. This custom (the whispering, not the slavery) has sadly fallen out of use with predictable results.

    Kobe was taking his daughter to basketball practice in Calabasas, CA. On a Sunday morning with light traffic, Calabasas is about an hour by car from Orange County where Kobe lived, so maybe (counting the time it would have taken for him to drive to the airport and transfer from car to copter to car on both ends), he might have saved 1/2 hour tops, if that much. Kobe was famous for taking helicopters everywhere – anyplace that you might drive for an errand, he took a copter. He hated sitting in LA traffic. The cost was nothing to him – he had plenty of money. Commercial jets are much safer than riding in a car but helicopters are not. If you ride a helicopter on rare occasions, the risk is not very high, but if you ride in (or fly one) every day the odds are going to catch up with you eventually.

    Second, apparently there was heavy fog at the time he took off. I would wager that there’s no way the pilots would have taken off for you or me no matter how much money you offered them. Probably he pressured them to go – for their regular and valued prime customer they didn’t want to say no and they allowed him to overcome their better judgment. So now the pilots are dead too and their wives are widows and their children orphans. So there’s a lesson in there for pilots and other service providers too. It’s not worth dying to make some rich bastard happy no matter how much he pressures you or you want his future business.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Hail
    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @Hail
    , @Art Deco
    , @Anonymous
  32. Sagat says:

    56 million people in China are under quarantine right now. That’s more people than the states of Texas and Florida combined. This pandemic should be the biggest story right now but the American people care more about Kobe, a guy who used to bounce a ball for a living. Kind of makes me cheer for the pandemic. A purge will probably do us good.

  33. Anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:

    All week long the western news puppet anchors kept repeating official China gov disease statistics with a straight face as if the numbers are real.

    Incoherent jackass Trump tweets on Friday his thanks to Xi for china’s “transparency” on this issue!!!!

    China quarantined 50 million on Thu-Fri because less than a thousand were sick? BULLSHIT. The 90,000 infected report from the lone lady doctor was a reality-based estimate. Dailymail had the story Friday.

    This is an RNA virus that is mutating rapidly. Of course the TV media is not discussing that sort of info.

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  34. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Nah, he’s just an actor without a script to read. Actors sound great when they can read from a script written by an intelligent person but if they have to think on their own then most of them are idiots.

    • Agree: LondonBob, Realist
    • Replies: @black sea
  35. Lugash says:
    @Pinche Perro

    I don’t think she was a gold digger but wasn’t the most mentally stable person, slept with Kobe and then was surprised at the negative reaction she got from the handful of friends she told.

  36. kihowi says:
    @J.Ross

    This doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Policemen are a bunch of gossiping Gerties.

    • LOL: Charon
  37. @Jim Given

    There was a Medrxiv paper showing it had an average spread of 4 people per infected person. That means it could easily become pandemic. If that were to happen and it were to infect a billion people and the case fatality rate were “only” 2% that would be 20 million people dead. That seems like a pretty big deal even if a family of four could probably all get it and expect to all survive.

  38. Jack D says:
    @Pinche Perro

    He went to a wealthy suburban high school where the average SAT is above 1200 so if 1000 was all he got he was below average. (He was treated like a rock star even in high school – it was clear that he was destined for a basketball career even then so his academics were as irrelevant to him as basketball playing ability is irrelevant to my career prospects.)

    Everyone speaks at least 1 language and he grew up in Italy (his dad was a basketball pro who played in Europe) so of course he spoke Italian. Therefore he gets no points for speaking those 2 languages. Supposedly his 3rd language was Spanish. I don’t know how good his Spanish was but Spanish and Italian are both romance languages so if you speak Italian as a native language, it’s not a huge stretch to learn Spanish – the overlap is around 50%). You are literally half way there already.

  39. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:

    The latest math I ran on the coronavirus death rate was about 3%. Generally, what that means is that it’s killing people with a pre-existing medical condition. Someone has pneumonia or bronchitis, and then they get the coronavirus, and their immune system is just overwhelmed trying to fight off both medical conditions.

    We’ve been seeing disaster inside Chinese hospitals leaking out on the news, but of course coronavirus has a high kill rate there. Every patient inside such places has a pre-existing medical condition. Most patients inside hospitals, whether Chinese or US or wherever, are not in isolation. It’s very easy for visitors to spread illnesses to patients. Outside the hospital, healthy people are likely to recover from coronavirus.

    A lot people are not really attuned to how dangerous two diseases at once can be, and we don’t take enough measures to guard against it. If coronavirus spreads to the US, every employer, if they’re smart, will immediately send home every pneumonia and bronchitis sufferer who’s struggling to stay on the job, and will order them not to come back until they’re well and no longer capable of spreading infection. If these sick people catch coronavirus, they’re likely to die, and if left at work coughing in the face of someone else when coronavirus comes zooming through, they’ll kill other people.

    If coronavirus does jump to the US, our hospitals are going to be hit hard with a high death rate if they don’t immediately institute quarantine to stop visitors from entering (I doubt they’ll react fast enough) and if they don’t make doctors and nurses go about in full virus barrier gear (which they normally don’t wear because it’s a nuisance, and it’s not necessary in normal times when most patients recover from their hospital stay).

    The most important factor is whether hospital administrators, doctors, and nurses, can change their behavior and ingrained habits fast enough. But elderly people in nursing homes and retirement communities are going to be hit hard, though. They don’t have the medical equipment that hospitals do.

    We used to practice very good quarantine measures in this country. Everyone coming in got stuck on Ellis Island for an impromptu vacation while we waited to see if they were disease-free. Until then, they were not allowed in. In this day of instant step-of-the-plane air travel and mingle, we’re not that smart. I don’t think we can prevent it from hitting the US.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  40. @Patrick in SC

    I find her explanation believable. But she’s a lefty (read her twitter feed) so I have no sympathy for her.

  41. black sea says:
    @Jack D

    Jack Nicholson is 82 years old. He retired from acting years ago because he could no longer consistently remember his lines. I’ve seen an interview with him as a younger man in which his speech was sharper, but you’d expect that of a younger man.

    Having said all of the above, I agree that most actors at any age are useless commentators on anything other than themselves, and usually even that topic is an utter fail.

  42. all respect due to the legend.

  43. @Anonymous

    The Canadian virus theft incident is certainly very suspicious but by no means conclusive at this point. There are many different corona viruses.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  44. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Kobe was famous for taking helicopters everywhere – anyplace that you might drive for an errand, he took a copter. He hated sitting in LA traffic. The cost was nothing to him – he had plenty of money

    That reminds me of the premise to Elysium (if anyone remembers it), and probably any number of other such sci-fi movies or novels.

    Some may recall that in Elysium, a wealthy, attractive, athletic-looking over-class lives the high-life in a futuristic, high-tech., low-orbit space station above the Earth; they tower above the losers on Earth, literally (in the classic sense of literally) far above them. In the same way, Kobe soared above the Brazil-on-the-Pacific known as Southern California doing his helicoptering.

    The parallel in imagery is strong. Except I don’t recall an Elysium sports league which successfully got the Earth-surface-dwelling masses to worship individual Elysiumites for tossing a ball around a few times a week.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  45. Liza says:

    The human species, even purportedly smart white people, has hit a new low with its panic over a g.d. virus. Viruses, bacteria, germs, whatever you call them, don’t cause anything. They show up where people are weak. This is what we’ve come to…an entire species so close to collapse that it blames invisible little enemies for their symptoms.

    The Black Death was a blessing, opening up our society to a healthful new level, to a rebirth, with the removal of the most degenerate. But along came the germ theory, with its desire to attribute illness to entities outside, and then the species went backwards bigtime. Scurrying, panicked, like terrified rats. OMIGOD! I might’ve come within 10 feet of some guy from China!!!

    I’d kiss a whole roomful of men diagnosed with Corona or any other virus (provided they were handsome enough, of course).

    Kind of makes me cheer for the pandemic. A purge will probably do us good.

    You are on the right track.

  46. @Hail

    I went to InfoWars for the latest theorizing on Who Killed Kobe; they didn’t disappoint, but the theorizing is still in the process of formation.

    I’m guessing it’s the same parties who killed Nipsey Hussle.

  47. Hail says: • Website
    @Sagat

    This pandemic should be the biggest story right now but the American people care more about Kobe

    What would be ironic is if the nine on board the Kobe Kopter, having heard about the recent cases of the killer virus arriving in Southern California the past few days, passed their last minutes of life worried about the possibility of catching the virus, maybe even discussing it amongst each other. And then…

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  48. Hail says: • Website

    The fourth week of January 2020 is wrapping up. We clocked in four aircraft accidents in the world, according to the eminent scholars at wikipedia, or one per week. (vs. 27 wiki-listed incidents in the 52 weeks of 2019.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_2020

    Two of the globe’s Jan. 2020 air incidents were in Southern California (one at zero deaths; one at 9 deaths, the Kobe Bryant helicopter);

    One incident I would blame on Donald Trump, after he was talked into crazy, out-of-nowhere assassination (legally an act of war) of a foreign leader, then bragged that he would “bomb Iran’s stupid cultural sites;” a limited missile retaliation having followed, the war-like conditions induced some panicky Flak-operators, who were on ultra-high-red-alert for imminent US bombing, to accidentally shoot down a passenger jet (176 dead, largely Iranian western-citizenship holders) [yes, Iran’s air defenses share blame, but 100% chance that airliner would have been fine if no assassination];

    One incident in Taiwan (8 deaths, 5 survivors), also a helicopter (military).

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Hail
  49. @snorlax

    Good. A loathsome creature who deserves firing — a Harvard graduate, of course. I never followed Kobe Bryant, so he made indeed have had a checkered past.

    But dear Felicia was the ‘drunken mutual hook up, but now metoo 5 years later’ type of girl. I hope she suffers severe professional hardship because of this.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  50. JimB says:

    Kobe’s B-Ball career should have ended in a Colorado court room in 2003. Karma’s a bitch.

    • Agree: bruce county
  51. @Anonymous

    You mean after the rape mistake.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Anonymous
  52. San Ervin. Nancy Pelosi.

    Compare. Contrast. Discuss.

    History does repeat: First time, tragedy. Second time, farce. — K. Marx

  53. I was elated when I heard Kobe Bryant died. Not because I wished him any ill (I’ve actually never thought about him at all until now), but because it’s refreshing to be reminded from time to time that death will eventually come for everybody, even our seemingly invincible globalist overlords, and that it can happen at any time, in ways you may not expect. I can think of many more deserving candidates whose fateful headline will cross screens across the world with outpourings of positive glee.

  54. @Liza

    “The Black Death was a blessing, opening up our society to a healthful new level, to a rebirth, with the removal of the most degenerate.”

    My mom is in her seventies. The coronavirus would probably kill her. To hell with you, you nasty little shrew.

  55. George says:

    Which presidential candidate will be the first to contract corona virus? If Corona get’s the hat trick the path to the presidency will be cleared for Gabbard. Anyone think Yang should attend the nest debate from an isolation booth?

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    , @danand
  56. @Malcolm X-Lax

    Makes more sense than “Lakers”.

    Wasn’t always that way:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  57. Alfa158 says:
    @Anonymous

    What’s with her face? Does she have Down’s Syndrome? A friend whose grown son has it, told me that it doesn’t have as much affect on some as others, therefore some afflicted people are still pretty functional. I was at a lunch also attended by this friend’s son. The son holds down an office cleaning job and lives on his own, he just isn’t allowed to drive to work. During the lunch he was rambling on quite knowledgeably on a variety of subjects, for example, discussing WW2 and rattling off accurate figures for Soviet T-34 tank production. The main effects on him were that he seemed to have about a one paragraph attention span before jumping to a completely different topic, and rudimentary social skills.

    • Replies: @BB753
  58. @JohnnyWalker123

    MSNBC = Media Shame Naughty Blond Chick.

    • LOL: fish
  59. duncsbaby says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    We only bid Farewell to Kings in the Woke New World.

  60. Alfa158 says:

    I don’t care about the celebrity aspect, but it still is a tragedy with nine people, including a kid, unnecessarily dead.
    It is early but preliminary reports suggest it might be what they call Controlled Flight into Terrain. With today’s navigation aids it should be tough to do since navigation systems precisely place your position, and once you know that you should know minimum safe altitude for any part of the flight. May have been a case of a pilot overly familiar with the route flying it by the seat of his pants. Apparently he had visibility until moments before he flew into a marine layer cloud with a hill inside. ( Old bad taste humor Far Side cartoon; hey, what’s a mountain goat doing in this cloud?)

  61. Anon[377] • Disclaimer says:

    A basketball goon died in a helicopter crash? SO EFFING WHAT!

  62. @George

    Has it affected anyone who’s not Asian yet? Yang might be the only one who needs to be concerned.

  63. Ano says:

    Why aren’t you people interested in the Senate trial?
    Don’t you care?

    Well, I do!!!

    If any iSteve reader is interested in my views on why we have to impeach Donald Putin, let’s chat!

    Please visit me at the…

    Schiff Psychiatric Ward*

    *Located in the Russian Occupation Zone of Washington DC.

  64. AnonAnon says:

    We’re not a basketball family so Kobe’s death didn’t register much with us other than the shock and sadness when someone that famous dies so young and unexpectedly. My husband was pretty annoyed that golf and other sports were preempted for the day on all the local channels in the LA area.

    As for Coronavirus, I’m thrilled that Orange County is the first place it got diagnosed in the state. Not at all surprised it came out of Irvine. 4Chan had some Nextdoor and Facebook via WeChat screenshots with local gossip indicating it was a Chinese woman from Wuhan escaping the quarantine to stay with her anchor child who goes to Irvine Valley College. Yet another reason to be annoyed we let Chinese citizens game our state college system. She had apparently visited South Coast Plaza, where I shopped last week. I’m hoping she wasn’t a big Sur La Table shopper.

    As for impeachment, it’s a big zero.

  65. Anon[965] • Disclaimer says:

    Kobe’s daughter apparently had aspirations to play basketball in college and ultimately in the WNBA.

    That would have been interesting. Did she have any idea what the WNBA is like? On the other hand, maybe the wrath of Kobe would have descended on the league and de-lesbianized it (under the guise of getting rid of bullies).

    • Replies: @fish
  66. @JimDandy

    It takes about 30 seconds online to figure out that if you want real news about the epidemic, you must read in the Asian media. The US media are particularly useless, and that’s 99% of what Google serves up, of course. If you didn’t already know..

    • Agree: James Bowery
    • Replies: @Known Fact
  67. anonymous[710] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hail

    One incident I would blame on Donald Trump, after he was talked into crazy, out-of-nowhere assassination (legally an act of war) of a foreign leader

    He wasn’t “assassinated.” He was an active military operative of a Islamofascist regime, in foreign territory where he didn’t belong, and wasn’t wanted, planning and initiating aggression, and has been responsible for many attacks on, and killing of Americans, as claimed by your friends at MSNBC.

    We’ve been fed up with his bullshit, and had him in our gunsights for quite a while. Hardly the victim of an “out-of-nowhere assassination” you try to clumsily paint.

    Go to bed, Felicia.

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Anon
  68. danand says:
    @George

    “Anyone think Yang should attend the next debate from an isolation booth.”

    George, only if he’s not infected.

  69. @Father O'Hara

    ‘Mistake’ implies that the act wasn’t deliberate.

  70. Anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “Horsemen of the Apocalypse”*

    * Well, at least one of the trio was ‘hung’ like the proverbial horse, and ‘loved by the ladies’ for the attribute.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  71. @Liza

    Of course you’d kiss a whole roomful of men, you value-free, disease vector hypocrite. Please do, as soon as possible. Your “science” is as crazy as an outhouse rat. The bubonic plague struck down anyone in its path. The plague killed only the degenerate? That irony is lost on you? Wait ’til the other shoe drops. Self-righteous ideology makes for weak inoculation. “The Masque of the Red Death” will get to you, too, Princess. Kiss away.

    Hey, Ozymandias, hope your mom lives another twenty years.

  72. donut says:
    @Bragadocious

    If the Big Boob had tweeted something the the twitter response would have been something along the line of “Trump mourns death of rapist” .

  73. LondonBob says:

    We will know by the end of the week the extent of the human to human transmission from the confirmed US cases, as well as the mortality rate. This can’t be contained and the best case is essentially a nasty case of pneumonia going around killing a lot of the old and infirm. All the news flow has been negative.

  74. LondonBob says:

    Who is Kobe Bryant and why should I care?

    Might have died of corona virus in the next few weeks anyway.

    • LOL: neutral
  75. @JimDandy

    Media: “Oh, yeah, that pandemic thing? Never mind, a celeb just died.”

    For some reason, the article I scanned first said something about Kourtney Kardashian, and my first (admittedly bad) thoughts were, “Too bad about Kobe, but at least he took a Kardashian with him.”

  76. LondonBob says:
    @Patrick in SC

    Nothing centre tight about Rupert Murdoch, a very clever man, he is a republican with little time for monarchy, he also kept a bust of Lenin in his rooms when he studied at Oxford. He’s mainly about money and power, hence his devotion to neoconservatism.

  77. Realist says:
    @JimDandy

    Media: “Oh, yeah, that pandemic thing? Never mind, a celeb just died.”

    Exactly. There must have been hundreds of people killed in accidents over the weekend…some who actually did something for mankind. The goddamn Weather Channel gave up air time talking about AGW to talk, for hours, about Bryant’s death, but probably tying it to AGW.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  78. Realist says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    A news reporter finally tells the truth…and people want her fired.

  79. Realist says:
    @Bay Area Guy

    That said, someone like Kobe wouldn’t piss on his fans if they were on fire; and people seriously need to stop worshipping celebrities. Also, how come we’re not hearing about the other people who died in the crash. Do their lives not matter?

    It would be one thing if Kobe were a brilliant inventor, scholar, dedicated political activist, or someone else who really changed the world for the better. However good he was at his craft, Kobe dribbled a ball for a living. Sure, he provided entertainment, and some people have been inspired by his grit; but it’s not like civilization would really be worse off had Kobe never been drafted in the 1996 NBA draft.

    Bryant was just an entertainer, so sad that vast numbers of people hold entertainers in such esteem, while barely acknowledging those that contribute to the betterment of mankind.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  80. Anonymous[710] • Disclaimer says:

    I think we can all agree that, even in death, Kobe has led the way for black social progress. He died in a random multimillion dollar helicopter crash. A huge and historic step up from the brutal lynching of Emmett Till.

    Sorry, NYT. I guess I beat you to it. 😎

  81. Anon[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    He wasn’t “assassinated.” He was an active military operative

    He was murdered by your cowardly leader Bibi the ex furniture salesman and his lackey trump.

  82. @Jack D

    Yeah, but, after all…. de mortuiis nihil nisi bonum.

    I’m sure your points are well-considered, but then again the guy was a hero to many, he was a master of his craft (even if his craft was throwing a ball through a hoop), and he died too young, with his young daughter, too.

    Decorum has its demands.

  83. @Hail

    Sheesh, those conspiracy theorists are weak sauce, considering the material there is to work with here.

    This clip of Kobe dying in a fiery helicopter crash is from 2017:

    https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhi76VGo8DXB6U2urU

    This is way more specific and accurate than the X-Files 9-11 stuff.

    h/t: Anglin

  84. @Achmed E. Newman

    The more you post here, the more I think your blog is appropriately named.

  85. @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s amazing how many people have such perfect diction that they can demand someone’s firing for misspeaking.

    She obviously made a mistake by referring to the team as the Knicks, then compounded it by switching to Lakers midstream. Knicks + Lakers = Knickers.

  86. Dumbo says:
    @Jack D

    How many people in the U.S. speaks well two languages, let alone three? (“Spanglish” doesn’t count). How many do YOU speak?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @bomag
  87. Dumbo says:
    @Hail

    Kobe soared above the Brazil-on-the-Pacific known as Southern California doing his helicoptering.

    To be fair, anyone who was rich enough and could avoid the nightmare of traffic in L.A., would probably like to do it, too. In Sao Paulo, Brazil, some rich businessmen do it, and I don’t blame them.

    Some may recall that in Elysium

    Yes, but despite the concept, Elysium was a really bad/stupid movie that I think only Sailer and his commenters liked. Worst of all was the “happy ending” with all the Mexicans getting health care, lol.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Pericles
    , @bomag
  88. @Ozymandias

    May your mother be blessed with another 30 years.

  89. @ScarletNumber

    Yeah, much as I’d like to see any journalist’s head on a spike (alongside Adam Schiff’s) for any imaginary micro-infraction whatsoever, it’s pretty clear if you listen to the clip, that she confused Knicks and Lakers, and did not say the Terrible Magic Naughty No-No Word.

    All the same: Live by the sword, die by the sword. If you want to make piles of magic retard speech and wrongthink laws for normal people, well if you as an elite transgress the magic naughty no-no laws, even by accident, then it’s suttee for your arse, until you learn how to be decent to your fellows.

    Like Devo used to say, Step on a crack, break yo mama’s back.

    • Replies: @bomag
  90. JMcG says:
    @Lugash

    Agreed. I fly airplanes, but my loved ones are banned from helicopters.

    • Replies: @Charon
  91. Pericles says:
    @Rouetheday

    You just know that as that chopper plunged Earthward the last thought to cross Kobe’s mind was something like, “Some way, some how, this is all Shaq’s fault”.

    SHAAAAAAQ!

  92. @Dumbo

    There are few more respectable ways to go than escorting your daughter to her basketball game.

    It’s 69 miles by land from the John Wayne Airport near Kobe’s house in Newport Beach to Calabasas west of the San Fernando Valley, most of it on the 405, which is the most notoriously busy freeway in Southern California.

    Southern California is a really big place, which is why 17 million people can fit in. Jocks tend to live on the more conservative edges of the vast urban sprawl, in south Orange County (e.g., Mike Trout lives in Newport Beach), or Manhattan Beach just south of LAX, or in the pleasant hill country west of the San Fernando Valley such as Calabasas, Agoura, Hidden Hills, and Thousand Oaks.

    I personally would just buy a huge SUV and hire a chauffeur, but Kobe was a lot less afraid of heights than I am, so he liked helicopters.

    • Thanks: Dumbo
  93. @ScarletNumber

    The full name of the New York Knicks is the Knickerbockers, which refers to a group of New York City writers of 200 years ago, such as Washington Irving, James Fenimore Cooper, and William Cullen Bryant, who paid tribute to the city’s Dutch origins.

  94. @ScarletNumber

    Indeed, Scarlet. A friend told me I was lucky to get that URL, and I agree. One of our topic keys is Bread & Circuses. The posts tagged with that key are the ones that particularly call out the stupidity of the American population’s obsession with big spectator sports that distract them from the real problems of the day. Perhaps you don’t believe me that I’ve never known the occupation and scandals involving this Kobe Bryant of yours*.

    It IS the internet, so I could be making that up. I’m not, though. It may surprise people once they get the hell off the TV** for a year or two what they don’t know and don’t care about anymore. Sure, there are headlines on some of the main Lyin’ Press sites, but I avoid those. When a page like the Yahoo home page comes up after the exiting from my email account (as an example), I may see these words “… Kobe Bryant …”, quite often, but I don’t need to click on anything, do I? It’s nice!

    .

    * Hopefully not a romantic thing. Otherwise, I’m sorry for your loss.

    ** Scroll down.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  95. Yeah, about this Coronavirus thing, I’d be curious to know if any non-East Asian person has gotten it yet. I imagine the one or two American cases were of Chinese Americans.

  96. @Hail

    “Well the people on TV are telling me that he was a HERO, and the world will now go into mourning. You’ve got to admit there aren’t that many rapist heroes, so he’s kind of bucking the system.”

    Trump should make the order that laptop screens across the nation only be opened to half mast for the rest of the day to commemorate Kobe’s sudden inability to have rough sex with white groupies.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  97. Pericles says:
    @Dumbo

    Elysium was a really bad/stupid movie that I think only Sailer and his commenters liked. Worst of all was the “happy ending” with all the Mexicans getting health care, lol.

    View it through a lens of irony and you might enjoy it more. (As you might have guessed, I thought it was pretty good. One of the few memorable movies in recent years.)

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @Jmaie
  98. Dan Smith says:

    Stalin said: “A single death is a tragedy, but a celebrity’s death is a catastrophe.” Or something like that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  99. Momus says:
    @Jim Given

    I’m reading that the mortality rate for this disease is lower than for the 2018 influenza strain and recovery is more rapid.

  100. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father O'Hara

    You mean after the rape mistake.

    It was a consensual fling. It was established that she merely tried to get money out of him afterwards (her friends exposed her).

  101. Ian M. says:
    @Hail

    You’ve got to admit there aren’t that many rapist heroes, so he’s kind of bucking the system.

    Bill Clinton?

  102. Anonymous[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    She not wrong. Kobe fit right in!

  103. dearieme says:

    A website comment said “Sad about Kobe”.

    I thought “Dear Christ, not another tsunami.”

    But it turned out that a tall black man had died in an air crash.

  104. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Ever notice how most of the burned out houses are in the middle of bushland? Yes, embers can cause a house to burn down. But… it seems that many of the houses that are burned are actually surrounded by Eucalypts. The rest of the country is expected to bail out these nitwits. I bet if you asked them previously what they’d do in a bushfire, shouldn’t you either clear out the surrounding area or not buy a deathtrap/asset destruction disaster waiting to happen they’d shrug and say “Well, if it happens if it happens.”.

    Mentioning this makes you a bad person though.

  105. Dan Smith says:

    Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, I expect the NTSB finding on the Kobe Bryant crash will be “controlled flight into terrain,” meaning no mechanical issues, accident due to human error. It’s hard to compare auto safety with that of general aviation safety, but recent trends show an increase in fatality rates for private flights. A reason often cited is the inability of a private pilot to cancel a flight because of time pressure. Imagine any other family wanting to go to a youth basketball game on the other side of a large metro area: wake up at 4 AM, pile into the family car and drive there. In Bryant’s case, he’s got the chopper fueled and ready to go. Sure, there’s fog, but his pilot tells him he’s pretty sure he can work around it. In flying, “pretty sure” is not a good way to proceed.
    It reminds me of the fatal crash killing Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone in 2002. He wanted to attend the funeral of the father of one of his Northern Minnesota political allies. He could’ve driven there in about three hours. But he was used to flying in his campaigns, although I know for a fact that when he was a college professor he was afraid of flying. I was a student and family friend and he flat out told me when he boarded a plane he looked to see if a baby was on board because God wouldn’t allow a baby to die in a plane crash. He knew that was completely irrational, but he had to trick himself. The flying conditions were marginal that day. The pilot was instrument rated and should have been able to handle the landing, but due to lousy teamwork with the co-pilot, nobody watched the airspeed as they were circling in low clouds and the plane stalled and fell like a rock. Once again, having access to private air travel and the perceived time pressure contributed to his flying in the first place instead of driving up to Eveleth and staying overnight.
    That was also the largest factor in JFK Jr’s crash on the way to Martha’s Vineyard.
    RIP, Kobe, JFK Jr and Paul

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  106. BB753 says:
    @Alfa158

    “What’s with her face?” (about Greta Longstocking)

    If I had to guess, alcohol fetal syndrome. Her parents claim she’s Asperger’s.

  107. Jack D says:
    @Dumbo

    How many people in the U.S. speaks well two languages,

    Apparently English is not one of yours.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Troll: Dumbo
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  108. Dumbo says:
    @Pericles

    The concept was interesting (and I thought District 9 was interesting too), so I watched it, but… nah.

    Unconvincing, and one unusually bad or below average performance by Jodie Forster. I didn’t like it at all. District 9, made with much less money, was much better/original and had roughly similar ideas presented in a less corny way.

  109. Jack D says:
    @Dan Smith

    Nine people died in that crash but Bryant is the only one that anyone cares about.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    , @Art Deco
  110. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias

    It may have escaped from the only lab in China for the study of such things.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7922379/Chinas-lab-studying-SARS-Ebola-Wuhan-outbreaks-center.html#comments-7922379

    I tend to doubt it was intentional though.

  111. David says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Neil Peart anonymously supported the Aspen Valley Wildlife Sanctuary just outside Rosseau, Ontario, for many years. I suppose the truth of his goodness can now be told.

  112. Brutusale says:
    @Veracitor

    That’s because she’s half Irish and half Mexican.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  113. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    405, which is the most notoriously busy freeway in Southern California

    Except on a Sunday morning.

    As you say, Kobe was fearless so he didn’t weight the risk vs. the reward. As it happened, they put him in a holding pattern at one point (even the skies around LA are crowded) so from the time he took off until he crashed was around 45 minutes. They weren’t all the way there yet and he had to drive to the airport, so chances are it would have been faster (not to mention less fatal) to drive.

    In addition to staying out of (highway) traffic, the copter allowed Kobe to make a grand entrance, like a President. The helicopter was painted in a special “Black Mambo” paint scheme and the inside was fitted like a luxury limo. Anyone could hire a limo to take his daughter to a basketball tournament but only a special super duper celeb can arrive by air. And not in some dinky Robinson R44 with a piston engine but a Sikorsky S-76 with twin jet turbine engines and retractable landing gear and room for all your homies.

    Although the risk from one helicopter flight may be small, it accumulates the longer that you stay in the air, which is why pilots pay more for life insurance. Kobe probably had more time in the air than many pilots.

  114. peterike says:

    About Kobe it is impossible to care very much. Sure, as a “role model” sports-baller he was probably better than most, but had he never lived the world wouldn’t be one iota better or worse. Some other baller of the moment would have filled his media spot and that would be that. Life is a series of tragedies, and he got caught in one.

    But ahhh, the coronavirus story! Here we have Peterike’s Law (“Asian immigration to America will be far worse than Hispanic immigration, and Hispanic immigration has been a disaster”) going into overdrive.

    The best part of the story is how those Chinese scientists up in Canada stole a bunch of stuff from a “secure” virus facility. Now, the Canucks are even more cucked than Americans when it comes to immigration, but what kind of special stupid is required to allow Chinese nationals to work in a virus lab? Anyone with a lick of sense could have seen it coming. But of course we do the same thing here, and Chinese work in all kinds of sensitive industries, government roles, etc. all across America. And of course, they can not — EVER — be trusted. Letting Chinese or Indians work in areas critical to your nation is as stupid as letting Jews do it. You are bound to be sold out, whether for filthy lucre or for ethnic solidarity reasons. It’s simply inevitable.

    Now whether or not the Canadian theft has anything to do with the current misfortune, who can say? But it’s a hell of a coincidence that Wuhan, the center of the outbreak, also happens to have a highly secure virus research facility (hey, how many Americans work there?).

    As for the outbreak itself, so far it’s all meaningless. Even if it kills a million people it will have no long-term effect on the world. But if it surges into Black Death range and we get, say, 300 million dead Chinese, then something very positive will have happened for the earth. Yes it may be unpleasant to say it, or even worse, it may be gauche. But c’mon, everyone knows the planet would be much better off in every conceivable way with 300 million fewer Chinese on it.

    Another side of PeterIke’s Law is that Chinese are still pouring into America unchecked. Even with Trump in charge, nobody has the nerve to just put the brakes on, not even for a week. My building has about half Chinese residents, and there are people wearing masks. Do they know something the rest of us don’t? But why are they here? Why are there ANY Chinese in America, much less millions upon millions of them? Yet here they are, and they continue to go back and forth, and we’ve already got the virus here and we’re likely to see a lot more of it. Like most of these events, it will likely end in a fizzle, but sooner or later we’re bound to have another true epidemic that kills in the many millions. Is this the big one at last? And most importantly, will it help or hurt Trump’s chances in the election? I haven’t seen a WaPo article on that topic yet, but I’m sure one is in the works.

  115. Barnard says:
    @Jack D

    Right, the helicopter usage was to feed his enormous ego. When he used it as a player, most of the time it would have saved him some time in traffic on the way to the game, but on the way home traffic would have been much lighter as he wouldn’t be leaving the arena until after 10 or 11 PM. The helicopter probably took longer in those cases.

  116. Jack D says:
    @Brutusale

    It’s interesting that Bryant’s kids came out looking distinctly African – not one of them could have “passed” for white. Here is Bryant and his daughter with the world’s whitest girls basketball team:

    I didn’t know that such whiteness even existed anymore.

  117. bomag says:
    @Dumbo

    I suspect that Jack D’s point is that modern media tends to over-eulogize favored people today, and that gives a distorted picture of who is accomplishing what.

  118. @Bay Area Guy

    God bless you for using the subjunctive instead of writing like a halfwit.

    Your sentiment is sot on, too; ironically, many of the best entertainers are the first to be baffled about people’s inclination to worship them:

  119. @Anon

    People don’t get enough sick days.

    My wife works at a medical center. She says it is common for nurses and other health care professionals to come to work while sick.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  120. Black folks and their guilty virtue signally white cheering section might have an interesting time with their new found January polytheism. King-Kobe.

  121. Ragno says:

    As a resident of the uncool – read working-class – part of Brooklyn, NY (Pakis, a few Mex, white holdouts like moi and countless Chinese), all I know is I have never seen so many Asians wearing respirator masks outside. You could presumably interpret this as cultural commentary on the dangerous naivete of progressive immigration policies.

    Forewarned is forearmed.

  122. bomag says:
    @Dumbo

    Elysium was a really bad/stupid movie

    Methinks thou dost protest too much.

  123. https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1221253187677622273

    Old bootyjig is turning out to be another consistent Sailer Content Generator.

    • Replies: @anon
  124. Rurik says:
    @Bay Area Guy

    Do their lives not matter?

    It would be one thing if Kobe were a brilliant inventor, scholar, dedicated political activist, or someone else who really changed the world for the better. However good he was at his craft, Kobe dribbled a ball for a living.

    Black lives matter! What are ya, a racist?!

    Did Kobe, in his entire life, say even one word of consequence?

    Did he ever do anything more profound than putting a ball into a basket?

    The most consequential act that I’m aware of this man committing, (other than points on a basket ball court) was brutal rape.

    And yet he’s an American icon and hero, idolized and worshiped all over the world, especially by white men, (many with young daughters themselves).

    I couldn’t give a fuck well he played basketball. It’s his character that matters, and his was as rotten and depraved as it could get.

    Fuck Kobe Byrant. And fuck all the so-called men (black or white) who ‘honor’ him and morn his loss.

    Good riddance rapist.

    The world is a far, far better place today.

    (with condolences for the girl and the others who died).

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @gsjackson
    , @gsjackson
  125. bomag says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    …if you as an elite transgress the magic naughty no-no laws

    A measure of power is your level of immunity to such.

    Policeman get to speed with their cars; it’s been suggested that Quentin Tarantino made Django Unchained so he could use the n-word.

  126. Ragno says:
    @Jack D

    It’s my understanding that Kobe was not the pilot, and was even uncomfortable driving a car. But in a scenario of near-zero visibility while surrounded by very tall, sloping hills, even the best instrument-rated pilots risk a fiery death.

    Apparently, the copter made impact at 184mph while descending at a rate of 4,000 feet per minute. If God was merciful, they only saw that hillside five seconds or so before impact, so it was over before the terrifying knowledge could set in.

  127. The tragic and untimely death of basketball player/rapist Kobe Bryant is a real gut punch to American cucks. There is much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth among them, for the death of such a titan is worth the deaths of a score or more of their own. Now they’ll have to find another negro to service their wives and daughters.

  128. mmack says:

    My thoughts in subject order:

    1) Impeachment is a complete waste of time but it keeps Congress-critters away from dreaming up new and creative ways of taxing us to death, so there’s that.

    Then I remembered the last sentence of this post: https://www.unz.com/isteve/black-woman-is-still-angry-at-a-white-woman-blames-it-on-trump/

    “The future of public discourse is just women taking things personally.”

    Following that I thought of the December 11th, 2018 meeting between Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/schumer-pelosi-set-to-meet-with-trump-on-wall-but-house-gop-stands-firm/2018/12/11/2604b1ae-fd56-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html) and reconsidered all of this in light of Steve’s post. Deep down how much of Nancy letting this whole mess go forward is “I’ll teach you to show me the proper respect, Mr. Trump!”?

    2) Everyone’s free to have their opinion on Kobe Bryant. I feel sorry for the families, they just got the worst news in the world anyone could get. Of course since Kobe is a celebrity they’ll cover this story.

    3) I’d tie the virus and speculation back to Impeachment. Even if the CDC told us the pure, unadulterated truth (or their knowledge as of this very moment), all this governmental lying, cheating, and slanted news coverage means people probably wouldn’t believe them.

  129. @Jack D

    Although the risk from one helicopter flight may be small, it accumulates the longer that you stay in the air, which is why pilots pay more for life insurance. Kobe probably had more time in the air than many pilots.

    On a per trip basis, air travel is much more risky than travel by road, for the simple reason that (1) you can’t just stop by the side of the road if the aircraft’s systems flake out and (2) weather, whether wind or lightning, has a much bigger impact on air travel than on travel by road. If, like the Jetsons, everyone flew to the grocery store or to work instead of drove, air travel casualties per trip would probably exceed road travel by an order of magnitude. We talk about bad traffic on the roads at rush hour. Imagine the horrific accident rate in the air if everyone routinely flew his own aircraft to the post office or to the park, instead of drove, a la Blade Runner.

  130. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    …. and not mention his cohort, the very aptly named Dennis Rodman.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  131. @Jack D

    Nine people died in that crash but Bryant is the only one that anyone cares about.

    A guy born with God-given talents that made him one of the most famous and wealthy athletes on the planet saw fit to bully lowly pilots into risking their lives over some nothingburger basketball game. What a dipstick. Bryant’s role in the deaths of the passengers is not all that different from that of some robber who holds up a 7-11 and guns down everyone in the store, before being killed trying to shoot his way out, by the cops. The key difference in the reactions? Bryant gets lionized in death, whereas the stick-up artist is raked over the coals.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  132. Joe Sweet says:
    @ScarletNumber

    She obviously made a mistake by referring to the team as the Knicks, then compounded it by switching to Lakers midstream. Knicks + Lakers = Knickers.

    That’s a plausible theory.

    I had a different take.

    I wonder if the guy who typed her script replaced “Lakers” with the magic word. It rolls off her tongue as if she is reading it, and she has to snap out of reading mode to fumble for the actual name of the team when she recognizes her blunder.

    • Replies: @fish
  133. @Jack D

    Apparently English is not one of yours.

    That was mean. ROFL funny, with the right timing, but mean.

  134. Charon says:
    @JMcG

    Among other things, the number of helicopters which have safely glided to unpowered landings after engine (or other) failure is vanishingly small.

  135. @Bay Area Guy

    It would be one thing if Kobe were a brilliant inventor, scholar, dedicated political activist, or someone else who really changed the world for the better. However good he was at his craft, Kobe dribbled a ball for a living. Sure, he provided entertainment, and some people have been inspired by his grit; but it’s not like civilization would really be worse off had Kobe never been drafted in the 1996 NBA draft.

    I’m just saying that people need to keep things in perspective.

    Well, that’s their perspective.

    For instance, William Shockley (bad, bad, racist, eugenics, IQ,..) invented, along with Bardeen & Brattain, transistor (and most of the semiconductor stuff).

    Can you even imagine how it changed the world?

    Cars, TV, medicine, wash machines, all music recordings, electronic communication, planes, ….L-I-F-E. Life is now completely different because of it (the same with antibiotics etc.)

    And if Shockley had died in a crash like that- who would have even known?

    There you are….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  136. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Because he’s the only one that 99% of the public has ever heard of; the families of the other passengers care about those other passengers, as do their friends. And when you die, that’s who will notice.

  137. @Mr McKenna

    I’m surprised the US media hasn’t yet gone into pandemic panic mode — this is one time where I would not really blame them.

    It may take a Corona scare at an elementary school or perhaps a university — with all those Chinese students, like that ASU kid who brought it back — to get people panicked. It’s bad enough my teacher wife has a few months left in the petri dish til retirement, but if I were a parent I’d be doubly worried about this thing.

  138. Art Deco says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    People get generous allotments of sick time. People come to work while sick because (1) they’re not that sick or (2) they’re a probationary employee and it would be impolitic to call in sick or (3) their work peers might adjudge them a shirker or (4) their unit is chronically short-handed or (5) they’re bloody show-offs. See numbers 3, 4, and 5 for hospital settings.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @adreadline
  139. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Kobe, like JFK, Jr., died of being too rich and famous. When you are rich and famous, no one is willing to say no to you

    The one who might have said no to JFK Jr was his wife, who was dubious about getting into a plane with him at the controls. Witnesses said her sister talked her into taking the flight. Doesn’t matter if you’re rich and famous or you’re married to Honey Boo Boo’s mom, the degree to which your wife is willing to put her foot down is a function of her personal dispositions influenced by yours. What he actually died of was happenstance which delayed his take off and faulty risk assessment.

    One of the successes Jackie Onassis had in this life was that her children were quite different from Ethel’s children. (Collier and Horowitz maintained that she and Sargent Shriver made it a point to keep their children away from their loutish cousins).

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  140. Watching the evening news on Sunday, it appears that the Press’s understanding of the importance of these stories is:

    1) the untimely death of a retired basketball player, his daughter, and others;

    2) a likely doomed to failure impeachment trial;

    3) and, a distant third, a virulent disease and candidate for worldwide pandemic.

  141. JMcG says:
    @Art Deco

    Also, they don’t want to waste sick days when they are sick. I hear that a lot.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  142. @Realist

    “so sad that vast numbers of people hold entertainers in such esteem, while barely acknowledging those that contribute to the betterment of mankind”

    As Glubb Pasha puts it in The Fate Of Empires

    The heroes of declining nations are always the same—the athlete, the singer or the actor. The word ‘celebrity’ today is used to designate a comedian or a football player, not a statesman, a general, or a literary genius.

    http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Truth
  143. Rob Lee says:
    @Jack D

    A quick city-data check of demographics in Cashmere, Washington:

    73.8 % White alone (2,394)
    22.9% Hispanic (742)
    1.5% Asian alone (50)
    .5% American Indian alone (16)
    .5% Two or more races (15)
    .2% Black alone (8)

  144. @Anonymous

    “Greta Thunberg is a powerful witch.”

    Greta Thunberg is a kid inflicted with Aspergers. She has been groomed by her actor parents to be the star they always wanted to be. The seething rage young Greta can summon speaks to the abuse she has suffered: physical, sexual, certainly psychological. Her life has been hijacked by an ideology that views youth and innocence as operational; an energy to be exploited.

  145. Hail says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Have fun and play with emotion

    CASHMERE BASKETBALL

    Cashmere, an expensive, luxury fabric not normally available to everyday people.

  146. Hail says: • Website
    @JimDandy

    @Steve Sailer, add this to the master list of intersectional trumps.

    Party “(a),” Black, pro basketball, many-times-over millionaire, male;
    – if [credible rape allegation] against –
    Party “(b),” White, lower class, female;

    (Am I missing any important characteristics?)

    —> Party (a) wins.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  147. nebulafox says:
    @Bay Area Guy

    While I obviously welcome nobody’s death, I feel worst for the 13 year old girl. She was killed before she got a chance to truly live her life.

    But that being said, the fact that there might be a major pandemic on the way and the US media is choosing to focus on this instead demonstrates how utterly useless they are.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  148. High speed train service to Wuhan announced:

  149. Old Prude says:
    @Liza

    Preach it, sister. This is the same species that comes apart when they find mold in the basement. My millennial nephew was in a panic. The little turd spent his time in hysterics while his grandmother cleaned it up with a bucket of bleach and a brush.

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
  150. Dissident says:
    @nebulafox

    the fact that there might be a major pandemic on the way and the US media is choosing to focus on this instead demonstrates how utterly useless they are.

    Well, I suppose I couldn’t argue with that. At least not as regards Kobe. Now if you were talking about Nipsey, that would be another story. Can one ever say enough about Nipsey?
    ~ ~ ~
    [Off-Topic]
    Kevin Michael Grace (favorably) reviews Scorsese’s The Irishman (2019)

    (Starts at 3:31:45)

    Thorough, lengthy, insightful and moving– the review, that is, in typical KMG style. In fact, it is so thorough, so sufficiently revealing– even of the final scene–that I would advise anyone who intends to watch the film to do so before listening to KMG’s review. For those, such as myself, who don’t expect to watch the film, the reviews are a feature unto themselves.

    Transcribed excerpt:

    Jimmy Hoffa is given a very sympathetic portrayal by Al Pacino in this movie, and I must commend Scorcese for his directing of Pacino.[…]he is quite believable as Hoffa. Jimmy Hoffa committed crimes but…Jimmy Hoffa was committed to getting working men fair pay and fair conditions, and for all that you can say against Jimmy Hoffa, this is absolutely true; he was a good union man who improved the lives of millions of people.

    • Replies: @Alden
  151. Alfa158 says:
    @Jack D

    I have no idea how it is possible in Southern California, even the in the most Whitopia enclaves, to have a basketball team that White, unless the players are somehow being subtly selected for Whiteness. Typically a team will have high performance ringers. You have to suspect that Bryant was somehow exerting influence to ensure his daughter wouldn’t be on a team where her confidence would be jeopardized by playing with other Black girls who might blow her off the court.

  152. Jmaie says:
    @Pericles

    Re: Elysium

    Imagine Los Angeles overrun by 3rd worlders, mired in poverty, ruled from above by a small elite. And then, there’s the movie “Elysium.”

    I cannot claim credit for this little gem, sadly.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Pericles
  153. @Alfa158

    You mean those “rough lookin’ tattooed nappy-headed hos”?

  154. @JohnnyWalker123

    What’s ironic is that this was an MSNBC reporter and not a FOX reporter.

  155. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:

    Why should the globalists panic over the coronavirus? If they know it affects the sick and the old then it’s a win-win for them. They save on future healthcare costs, a lot of white Boomers will die, carbon emissions decrease, and housing becomes more affordable.

  156. Hail says: • Website
    @Hail

    Two more air incidents reported within the past 12 hours.

    USAF E-11A goes down over Afghanistan killing five.

    Runway overrun at some no-name airport in Iran, killing none.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  157. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @MEH 0910
  158. @ScarletNumber

    The more you post here, the more I think your blog is appropriately named.

    What exactly is “stupid” about not knowing or caring who Kobe Bryant was? A lot of intelligent people I know would take the name to be that of some fashionable beef recipe.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  159. @Alfa158

    “by playing with other black girls who might blow her off the court.”

    With the exception of blacks, who apparently have nothing else but rap and sports to excel at, the purpose of high school or college athletics is not to gain enough traction to go professional. It is simply another dimension of one’s overall education — it teaches teamwork, leadership skills, social skills, the value of training, guts, charisma, and perseverance, and plus it’s healthy. The less athletic kids join the drama club for the exact same reasons, and almost none of them think they’re really going to be movie stars. It’s not a pre-professional exercise, it’s supposed to build character.

    For this reason these days, athletic scholarships should just be flat-out discontinued as a practice. Or at the very least, bakka-ball and foo-ball scholarships should be ended. They do nothing but bring into the school milieu a troop of undereducated, uninterested, undeserving, underachieving thugs who have no business in a scholarly environment, and who simply monopolize team positions they aren’t entitled to (because they aren’t really actual “students” in any meaningful sense). Their purpose is to raise money from dumb alumni, and bang all available White girls, that’s pretty much it. Meanwhile kids who could actually benefit from being scholar-athletes instead of just affletes, are crowded out and denied a key part of their education. They wind up as mere spectators, cheering pointlessly for imbecile mercenaries who hate them.

  160. @JohnnyWalker123

    What will be the top #WhoKilledKobe conspiracy-theories?

    Juanita Broaddrick?

  161. Watch the US economy catch pneumonia; it’s all supply chain (from China) because we produce dick.

  162. @Alfa158

    I have no idea how it is possible in Southern California, even the in the most Whitopia enclaves, to have a basketball team that White, unless the players are somehow being subtly selected for Whiteness.

    It’s still possible out in rural America.

    That photo could have been taken at the high school in my hometown, year round population 1500.

  163. JimDandy says:
    @Hail

    Except, according to one commenter here, she came from a wealthy family. But yeah.

  164. Here’s an article from like two hours ago, that seems worth reading (about the coronavirus, that is):

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/480067-coronavirus-could-be-much-more-contagious-than

  165. ATBOTL says:

    I hope this rapist burns in hell forever. I had a beer in celebration of his demise. I hope he suffered psychologically on the way down. Nonwhite men who rape white women deserve nothing but extreme hatred from all white men. We have to get back to that kind of thinking. Put race first at all times. 30,000 black on white sexual assaults a year in America, guys, and those are only the ones reported to the police. One black rapist down, hundreds of thousands to go.

  166. Hail says: • Website
    @MEH 0910

    Did Kobe Bryant have no race pride? Did he hang around entirely with Whites?

    See also, daughter’s basketball team pic.

    Of the other six passengers, five were whites (generally Classic-America passing, not exotic); one was racially ambiguous, Christina Mauser, possibly mixed-race East Asian, married to a white man. The ninth person on board was the Armenian-named pilot.

    Christina Mauser, an assistant coach at Harbor Day School in Corona del Mar, California, […] wife of Tijuana Dogs’ singer Matt Mauser

    Christina and Matt Mauser:

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  167. snorlax says:
    @Jack D

    The other men in the photo are really tall…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  168. A123 says:

    Today Impeachment Truth (errr…. HUMOR):
    .

    .
    ⏫ TRUMP 2020 ⏫

  169. Airplane safety has more than kept up with the growth in business over the decades. It’s almost to “everybody flies, nobody dies”. Eighty years ago, accidents with celebrities were common– flying was both risky and expensive.

    Where does helicopter transit stand today? Like plane travel the 1930s, only the very well-off can afford it.

    But there are a lot more well-off these days. They’re in a great hurry, and have to get across giant cities with sclerotic traffic.

    Are there air-taxi accidents we don’t hear of because they’re in developing megalopoles, with small passenger loads, and victims only famous locally? Or are copter crashes as rare as those of jet planes?

    Just how safe is this sort of thing?

    • Replies: @Hail
  170. @Art Deco

    People get generous allotments of sick time.

    I thought there was no requirement for employers to offer paid sick leave to employees in the United States — which is a right workers have in many other developed countries, and even in not-so-developed ones, like my own. If that’s the case, are you sure of what you said? I’m assuming both you and your interlocutor are American…

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  171. anon[515] • Disclaimer says:

    Liberals I know are glued to the impeachment trial. Because “If he can get away with this, than anyone could!”, lol. I don’t expect much more from a college dropout barista, but how can a 65 year old man who owns a business just not know anything about what Obama’s team did in Libya and Ukraine?

    Wiki tells me Ken Starr was a lead prosecutor in the Clinton impeachment, so it’s funny to see him on the Trump defense team.

    For real entertainment they should call Hillary! as a witness and let her talk about Ukrainian deals, from back when she was SecState.

  172. @snorlax

    The other men in the photo are really tall…

    Of course. They’re the white players who didn’t make the NBA draft!

    (That, or they’re standing on the Midol crates.)

  173. Hail says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    “everybody flies, nobody dies”

    What is the best data for the 2000s–2010s era commercial air travel fatality rates?

    I think the data I’ve seen is for earlier eras and so obsolete, having gotten safer still.

    How much safer is it today than driving? Mile-per-mile may be unfair and a poor comparison, but hour-per-hour may be a good one.

    • Replies: @David
  174. @Alfa158

    Something that Steve pointed out — club sports are often VERY white. Especially girls’ sports.

    People in the LA area have told me this is less true in LA than other places, though.

    Wisconsin is an extremely white place for club sports, although not as lily white as it used to be. I remember taking my mixed race oldest daughter to a tournament. She was the only girl I saw who wasn’t pure white. In fact, every other girl on her team had blue eyes.

    Things have changed. Occasionally one sees non-white girls at these events. One of my kids even had an upper class black guy as a coach.

  175. @Hail

    IIRC, the woman was a slightly crazy groupie who sought Kobe out, but changed her mind after Kobe used the back door. Kobe bought his wife a $6 million dollar ring afterwards.

    BJC raped Juanita Broderrick by biting her lip while he screwed her. He said, “Better put some ice on that” when he left.

    • Replies: @Alden
  176. Art Deco says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Where is there any indication he bullied anyone? The helicopter was owned by a commercial service which employed the pilot in question.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  177. anon[515] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gross Terry

    There is a headline on Drudge:

    Buttigieg to focus on converting Trump voters…

    He’s gonna need a lot of grain alcohol just for a start.

    • LOL: Rob
  178. Sparkon says:

    Increasingly, in my opinion, it looks like poor visibility because of thick fog may be the primary culprit in the crash on 1-26-2020 that killed basketball star Kobe Bryant and eight others. The reports of a “sputtering” engine (or engines) on the chopper before it went down are troubling, but may have been due to the helicopter’s excessive airspeed.

    I have driven by that area many times where Kobe Bryant’s helicopter crashed, both on the 101, and also on Los Virgenes Rd. driving up from Malibu. The terrain is fairly rugged once you leave the San Fernando Valley. FlightRadar24’s map of the doomed flight makes it look like the pilot Ara Zobayan got in trouble as soon as he left the Valley’s airspace, and the news report I heard this morning said it was thought he was trying to turn around, and get back into the SFV, when the Sikosky S-76 slammed into a hillside, not far from a popular trail, and just 1/2 mile or so from familiar Shell and Mobil stations, a traveler’s favorite Micky-D, and other roadside attractions where Los Virgenes Rd. intersects with U.S. Highway 101.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/4232+Las+Virgenes+Rd,+Calabasas,+CA+91302/@34.1177229,-118.7065014,1372a,35y,27.67h,58.68t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80e820ea1b2c5cd3:0x706a3ec85f5788be!8m2!3d34.1360364!4d-118.7020098

    One odd thing is the pilot Zobayan kept mostly to the northern side of the valley after he got clearance to proceed, rather than simply following the 101, which was the most direct route to 1000 Oaks. Already that should have been a big red flag to abort and go home. If the 101 was foggy across the southern side of the Valley, why would they think it would clear for the 101’s narrow passage through the mountains into Thousand Oaks?

    The Associated Press reported that, according to data from Flightradar24, the helicopter was flying at about 184 mph and descending at more than 4,000 feet per minute when it crashed.

    Wikipedia gives the S-76’s maximum speed as 178 mph.

    My preliminary conclusion is the pilot got disoriented in the fog, and lost control of the helicopter.

    RIP

  179. Tex says:

    What did Kobe know about Hillary?

    • LOL: Thea
  180. @Charon

    Among other things, the number of helicopters which have safely glided to unpowered landings after engine (or other) failure is vanishingly small.

    Not true. The very first thing you learn in helo school is to always always have a place to land picked out. You can auto rotate even with engine failure as long as you don’t lose your tail rotor. Kobe’s helo evidently clipped the top of a mountain going about 180.

    Chickenhawk (https://www.amazon.com/Chickenhawk-Robert-Mason-ebook/dp/B0031Y9DCS) describes in detail Army helo training, and is well worth reading.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  181. Art Deco says:
    @adreadline

    There is no federal standard. State law varies. However, paid sick leave is bog standard for institutional employers. For small (commonly unincorporated) businesses, the practice is spottier, but not at all unusual. I think you’d have to scrounge to find any kind of hospital that did not offer paid sick leave.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  182. @Art Deco

    JFK Jr and company were late taking off because his wife didn’t like the color of her toe nails and made everyone wait while she had them repainted.

    He took off into a twilight haze, probably lost the horizon and put the aircraft into a spin. Every pilot I knew had the same verdict – dumb shit. That said, he seemed to be a decent guy for a Kennedy.

  183. LondonBob says:
    @Hail

    US servicemen will be dying mysteriously across the region until the election. The Iranians obviously supplied their lukewarm allies the Taliban with some new SAM technology. Thankfully the attack on the Iraqi bases was so impressive that the Pentagon has no illusions as to the cost of a war with Iran, the total devastation of all US bases in the region, so it won’t go any further. I notice a couple of USAF maintenance guys died mysteriously in their sleep on a base in Germany, count them up as casualties from the missile attack in Iraq. The Russians almost certainly aided the Iranians with their missile attack, must have used their satellites for targeting, payback for the Syria missile attacks.

    • Replies: @Hail
  184. David says:
    @Hail

    I used to price commercial aviation insurance. In the 1990’s, going by memory, a commercial passenger jet crashed about once for every 250 years of operation, maybe 400 years. By 2010, it was much less than 1 in 1000. So low, that it was impossible to make an estimate with any reasonable confidence.

  185. Michael S says:

    The first few weeks after an outbreak seem to be like the first few hours after a murder: hardly any useful information, a significant amount of misinformation, and a limitless supply of wild-assed guesses.

    Yes, there was one paper estimating the 2019-nCoV (let’s just call it “Wuhan”) transmission rate at 3.8. That paper’s estimate was based on a ton of arbitrary assumptions and other estimates, and the R0 has already been revised down to the SARS range (2-3).

    Reported fatality rate is inconsistent with reported transmission rate. At R0 ~ 4, starting in an ultra dense and high traffic area like the Wuhan train nexus, there should be over a million confirmed cases by now, a month after patient zero. But at a 3% death rate, that would imply over 30,000 deaths, not less than 100. Either R0 is being wildly overestimated, or the fatality rate is. They can’t both be what people are estimating them to be.

    Tracking the “global death count” is even worse fearmongering. Almost all (or is it actually all?) of the deaths have been in China.

  186. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Buses are statistically the safest form of transportation. You have a ton of weight and metal shielding you.

    I would get a personal bus and driver. John Madden famously had “The Madden Cruiser”, which was a converted Greyhound bus that he used for personal travel because he hated flying.

    The cable media billionaire John Malone also hates/fears flying and has his own bus sized camper van to ferry him around the country.

    Buses can be uncomfortable in stop and go traffic though, with all the momentum of the heavy bus jerking you back and forth. Large vans and SUVs might be better in LA traffic.

  187. Anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    China is unusually vulnerable to something like coronavirus because of a few things. One is the fact that Eastern China has a lot of air pollution, and that tends to increase the rate of respiratory illnesses. Two is fact that the Chinese smoke like chimneys, which causes lung damage that practically invites viruses and bacteria to invade their lungs and set up shop. (So far, I have yet to see how many of those who died in China were also smokers, but interestingly enough, one study I read said that most of those who were sick enough to go to the hospital were male).

    Three is the fact that the Chinese have zero food taboos and will eat anything, and sometimes they eat it still alive. The most common method of cooking is stir-fry, which frankly is not likely done long enough to sterilize the food properly. Fourth, is the bad Chinese habit of hawking something up from their lungs and spitting on the sidewalk. The guy in Singapore who banned spitting knew what he was doing.

    It’s very interesting that China keeps being the sources of all these novel diseases. This was true even in earlier times. Black Plague originated in China. The odd thing is that India doesn’t originate diseases the way the Chinese do despite having the same massive population numbers. But Indians, though they spit and smoke a lot and can be even filthier than the Chinese, cook their food longer, and they do have some food taboos. It appears the single most important factor in avoided the transmission of animal diseases to humans is cooking food properly and avoiding heavily diseased species of meat.

    Another possibility is that the Chinese have weaker immune systems compared to Westerners. Some of it might be stress, but for others it may be innate quirk of being Asian. Westerners may be somewhat more hybrid compared to the Chinese, who have been very isolated, historically speaking.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  188. @Intelligent Dasein

    You will, I am certain, agree with me, ID, that we must earnestly pray for the Catholic Mr Bryant’s immortal soul.

    A “more deserving candidate” for whose immortal soul I long to pray oh, say, tomorrow, is called Jorge Bergoglio. He’s also said to be a Catholic, but I have my doubts.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  189. Thea says:
    @Jack D

    He trademarked Mambacita for her future earnings apparently unaware that women’s basketball has no marketable niche whatsoever. Even female athletes don’t really watch female sports.

  190. Pericles says:
    @Jmaie

    Indeed. And one can also easily feel ambivalent about desperate underdog Matt Damon successfully invading Whitopia and extracting massive gibs for a poor little girl, yes, but also the entire rest of the world. You can’t run, whitey.

  191. Art Deco says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Never heard that one before. My recollection was it was someone tied up at work or a traffic tie up. I tend to doubt the amount of time it would take you to do your nails was all that decisive, but maybe his wife went to some sort of high-end nail salon. I think she’d worked in PR and modeling and may have had peculiar reactions to ordinary appearance defects.

    He wasn’t instrument-rated and he’d also injured himself and was hobbling around with some sort of splint or cast. There were reports at the time (who knows how accurate) that Jackie Onassis had assigned Maurice Templesman the task of persuading her son to stay out of cockpits.

  192. fish says:
    @Anon

    On the other hand, maybe the wrath of Kobe would have descended on the league and de-lesbianized it (under the guise of getting rid of bullies).

    Say goodbye to the fanbase………!

  193. Art Deco says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    That said, he seemed to be a decent guy for a Kennedy.

    Who knows what doesn’t make the paper? From a distance, it seems about 1/4 to a 1/3 of Joseph Kennedy’s grandchildren have been problem people, most of these Ethel’s children. (Camille Paglia once said, “As a superstitious Italian, I think the curse was on Ethel…”). About three of them seem like passably capable people. (One is passably capable but also got his name in the papers for sexual misconduct). The rest seem like ordinary people who don’t quite know what to do with themselves, so they land jobs in this or that nonprofit or start money-losing avocational businesses. (One is a ‘documentary filmmaker’).

  194. Sparkon says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    He took off into a twilight haze, probably lost the horizon and put the aircraft into a spin.

    But suppressed reports reveal JFK Jr. had radioed Martha’s Vineyard airport at 9:39 PM, seemingly in full control of the situation. Seconds later, his plane was dropping from the sky like a rock.

    Witnesses near Philbin Beach on Martha’s Vineyard that evening reported hearing an explosion in the sky at around 9:40 PM.

    This explosion was described by one witness, a reporter for the Martha’s Vineyard Gazette, as a “BIG WHITE FLASH IN THE SKY!”

    http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/WasJFKJR.Murdered.html

    Any spin here is all yours.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  195. JMcG says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    If you lose anything in the transmission or rotor articulation system you aren’t gliding anywhere. I’ve climbed mountains, skydived, bungee jumped, flown aerobatics, but I won’t get in a helicopter.

  196. Jack D says:
    @Alfa158

    It’s not. The photo was taken in Cashmere, Washington. Cashmere is in the middle of the state, far from the increasingly diverse Seattle area.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  197. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    It’s not proven but it can be inferred from the weather. LAPD was not flying its copters at that moment due to weather. It’s possible that Kobe didn’t even say anything and that the pilots just didn’t want to disappoint their best customer. Either way it’s a good guess that his celebrity status had an influence on their decision to fly and that if you had phoned up and asked for a copter that morning the answer for you would have been no.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  198. Kronos says:
    @Rouetheday

    Maybe the pilot was on Shaq’s “Gold Bond” LSD edition?

  199. @Sagat

    As long as the right people are purged.

  200. Okechukwu says:
    @Jack D

    It’s interesting that Bryant’s kids came out looking distinctly African – not one of them could have “passed” for white.

    There is no such thing as distinctly African. Kobe himself probably had a pointer nose than you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  201. @Jack D

    It’s not. The photo was taken in Cashmere, Washington. Cashmere is in the middle of the state, far from the increasingly diverse Seattle area.

    Population ~ 3000. Looks like where I grew up with mountains added.

    Much more scenic golf course:

  202. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Never lived on the west cast. Where I have lived, fog is localized and comes and goes, especially at that hour of the morning.

  203. Jack D says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The reason they took off late was that his sister in law (who was flying with them) was delayed at work and then stuck in traffic. At least that is the official story.

  204. My comment of some five hours ago was still awaiting “moderation”; do you think something like:
    Corona virus in China means US economy catches pneumonia (paraphrasing) may be immoderate?

  205. KenH says:
    @Rurik

    Good riddance rapist.

    I guess that Karma’s a bitch, eh Rurick? When I first heard of the crash I thought it was unfortunate but then I remembered his rape of the white girl in the Denver hotel room, so I guess I’m a little indifferent at the moment.

    Wonder if blacks would mourn the loss of a well known white athlete who was accused of brutally raping a black girl and “dissing a sista”?

    • Replies: @David In TN
  206. Alden says:
    @Hail

    Has anyone checked Miles Mathis on Kobe’s death yet? I bet it’s Trump did it to distract from the impeachment. Or the British did it as a foreshadowing preparation for getting rid of Andrew, Meghan Harry and baby Archie in a helicopter crash. The British secret service is that evil according to Miles.

  207. Alden says:
    @Dissident

    Hoffa was a great man. He and the labor unions at the time of the Philadelphia Plan and 1968 affirmative action law were absolutely totally against affirmative action which makes them saints in my eyes.

    A great Hoffa film, the best is titled Hoffa. Jack Nicholson is Hoffa. Danny de Vito is his best friend and top aide. It was on Netflix. Nicholson’s best later work. And a great script

    • Replies: @Dissident
  208. Alden says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    The woman was an employee in a 5 star hotel. She was a host in the VIP section of the hotel. Some hosts were men. Some hosts were women

    Her and the other hosts JOB was to escort vip guests, men and women to their suites when they checked in; open the door,,show them around, encourage them to use the bar tell them about all the amenities etc.

    It was her job to escort him to the suite. It was the job of the maids bell hops waiters maintenance and other employees to go in and out of the guests rooms as part of their job.

    You truly a POS. Another misogynist women hating man of UNZ. A true ideal criminal defense juror. Blame the victim blame the victim blame the victim of any crime.

    Blame a rape victim for doing her job. Blame a waiter who gets robbed and beaten b cause he works a 3/11 pm shift. It was all his fault. Shouldn’t work a late shift.

    With people like you always always blaming the victim of black on White crime, no wonder it’s out of control and never prosecuted any more.

    What do you think this, some sleazy bar or frat house where you can talk smut about women with all your scum bag buddies ? You’re a POS misogynist women hater. If all men were like you rape would be legal as it is in Muslim countries.

    Hope you run into some horny homosexuals soon and have the police and Drs laugh at you when you report it

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  209. Muggles says:
    @Lugash

    re: >>2) Helicopters are the abattoirs of the rich and famous. Unless you need to ride in one for work or sightseeing, stay out of them.<<

    Kobe's tragic crash reminded me of something that happened in the late 70s in the Houston area. I had read an admiring account of a local, young oil millionaire who was commuting to his Energy Corridor workplace from his pad near Galveston each day via helicopter. Neat. Saved him hours of traffic mess.

    About a year later I also read of his death in said helicopter while on commute.

    I have ridden in copters several dozen times when I worked in and around offshore oil industry. You have to ride them or take the slow boat. These are big industrial copters. Still I always was somewhat concerned. Here I am! But I wouldn't commute in one unless absolutely necessary.

    It might sound like a good idea if you are super rich and impatient. Ultimate Bling. But like that sports car that goes 180 mph, it may just kill you if you're riding in that too many times.

  210. gsjackson says:
    @Rurik

    First time I can remember disagreeing with you on anything. Among people who follow basketball Bryant is known for having self-discipline, a work ethic, a will to win, a willingness to expend himself on both ends of the floor game in game out over a long career and a love for his craft that are all considered second to none. He has been one of the 3 or 4 most popular athletes internationally for the last 20 years, in part because he is seen world-wide as a highly intelligent, multi-lingual renaissance man. Like the other athlete of that stature to suffer such a fate, Roberto Clemente, he had an edgy, prickly, maverick personality, but, like Clemente, had the utmost respect of everybody in the game, and was expected to enjoy a long post-playing career in the public spotlight.

    It’s a cliche that “sports reveal character,” but I believe it. In 69 years of life the only realm of human endeavor I’m familiar with that even remotely approaches being a true meritocracy is sports. That’s because you can’t bullshit your way to success. And in this era, when so much money is often at stake, you’re really not going to have any success at all without the work ethic of one of Santa’s elves.

    I try not to judge other people’s characters, especially those I don’t know. But if required to make such a judgment I’d want to base it on something I can know is real. If you watch an athlete enough you can know some real things about him.

    As to whether Bryant has “ever said anything consequential,” at least one person seems to think he did — Jay Williams, who got a Duke degree in sociology in three years while becoming NCAA player of the year. Williams said yesterday that a conversation he had with Bryant after watching Bryant work out was the most consequential of his life. Changed everything, he said. In the last few years Bryant has developed a reputation as the NBA star most interested in passing along his wisdom to the younger generation of players. And yes, that includes life wisdom, not just how to defend the pick and roll.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @onetwothree
  211. @Hail

    Was he giving a lift to a couple of his daughter’s team-mates and their not-unattractive mums?

  212. AnonAnon says:
    @Jack D

    only a special super duper celeb can arrive by air

    Kobe seemed to be kind of a douche when it came to showing off his money/drawing attention to himself. Our tangential brush with Kobe: A few years ago Kobe’s daughter had a soccer game up in our area in Villa Park at the same set of fields our son did. His wife came in a Range Rover and he met her at the game in his Bentley. They were too special to park their cars on the mean streets of Villa Park (median home price $1.3M, median income $145K these days) like all the other parents and parked them on the track adjacent to the field.

    • Replies: @Truth
  213. fish says:
    @Joe Sweet

    I wonder if the guy who typed her script replaced “Lakers” with the magic word. It rolls off her tongue as if she is reading it, and she has to snap out of reading mode to fumble for the actual name of the team when she recognizes her blunder.

    Of course….The Ron Burgundy Protocol! “Go Fuck Yourself San Diego”!

  214. @gsjackson

    The year Kobe scored 81 the rest of his team was terrible (e.g., Smush Parker as point guard). He carried a very bad team to a winning record. Other years he adjusted to having better teammates. He won 5 NBA titles, 2 without Shaq when Kobe was in 30s.

    Bill Simmons said the secret about Kobe was that he wasn’t cool. He was a workaholic who got a lot done, but he didn’t really have that extra level of legend about him like Jordan or Magic or Bird.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  215. @Dan Smith

    “controlled flight into terrain,”

    Almost certainly. The weather will end up being a “contributing factor” but my guess is the cause will be the pilot poking around under the clouds when he/she should have just stayed IFR.

    They were already well up into the valley, past Burbank and past the Van Nuys airport. Van Nuys is a somewhat major airport (8000′ runway and a number of published instrument approaches). The helicopter had a suite of avionics that would make the most modern business jet blush so in terms of capabilities, the aircraft was more than capable of handling what was just some fog (which Californians insist on calling “the marine layer”) in the process of burning off. The ceilings in the area were already more than 1000′ above the ground (i.e. the weather wasn’t that bad – thousands of flights every day deal with much worse).

    Sure, there’s fog, but his pilot tells him he’s pretty sure he can work around it

    I suspect a pilot working for Kobe doesn’t get many “we’re gonna have to wait awhile for the weather to clear up” before they become a pilot that USED to work for Kobe. That said, they didn’t need to work around it, they were more than equipped to bore a hole right though and get to where they were going. The only real question is: “what did the pilot botch?”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  216. @gsjackson

    What in hell is wrong with you? The guy bounced a ball for a living. That’s pathetic by itself, even if he never did another thing wrong in his life.

  217. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  218. J1234 says:
    @ScarletNumber

    I heard something like “nakers” and understood perfectly what she was trying to say. It’s like when someone puts a different letter in your name when they’re talking to you quickly. Whenever there’s a storm alert the excited weathermen are always fumbling over the names of cities and towns that are in the alert area.

    • Replies: @Dan Smith
  219. Wally says:
    @Bragadocious

    Forget about it, everyone knows the Russians did it.

  220. Hail says: • Website
    @LondonBob

    USAF E-11A goes down over Afghanistan killing five.

    US servicemen will be dying mysteriously across the region until the election.

    Footage of wreckage shows hallmarks of being shot down,

  221. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon

    Someone I know did it on two occasions, in Viet Nam I think. From memory you feather the rotors to make them spin fast on the way down in one direction which slows you down somewhat, and before you land you adjust the rotors so they take the angular momentum of the rotors but generate lifting force by angling them the other direction.

    I intuit that this takes training and strong presence of mind.

  222. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I like that quote and have read that booklet, but just thinking about it… the Western world has been in decline for a while now by that measure. Lawrence Olivier, Don Budge, Don Bradman, Bing Crosby, Jack Dempsey…

  223. Art Deco says:
    @Sparkon

    The military-industrial complex murdered a magazine publisher, his investment banker sister-in-law, and his some time PR specialist / model wife, because reasons. And they lassoed the National Transportation Safety Board, the Coast Guard, and the local coroner in on the scam, not to mention the photographers who took pictures of the battered (but largely intact) fuselage.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  224. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    It doesn’t matter how many insults you lob at him. Her case was still evidence-deficient. One secure piece of information is that our traumatized young lady was found the very next day with a different man’s biological material inside and outside of her.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
  225. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    The most common method of cooking is stir-fry, which frankly is not likely done long enough to sterilize the food properly

    Stir frying involves cutting the food into small bits so that the heat fully penetrates the food more quickly. You could roast a whole chicken for an hour or more and it might still not be sterile at the center but if you dice the same chicken into small pieces then it’s done in minutes.

    New diseases tend to arise in China because in rural areas humans and animals live in close proximity, sometimes under the same roof and also because they like to eat weird things like bats, snakes, wolf pups, foxes, rats and peacocks (all of these things and more were sold at the wholesale market where the virus made its species jump). Centuries of starvation made the Chinese very un-picky as to what they were willing to eat. The old joke is that Chinese will eat anything with 4 legs except the table and anything that flies except an airplane.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  226. @Old Prude

    Old Prude – out of scientific curiosity I lived a few years in an apartment which hosted several thousand cockroaches.

    I know what mold tastes like, again because I am a scientist. I have had poisonous spiders and leeches and worse crawl up and down my body because I wanted to see their reaction – Aristotle had friends whom he respected who did the same thing.

    I am not afraid of biology, even at its most disgusting.
    That being said,

    Fuck you and Liza.

    I understand statistics and the history of warfare, unlike you and the Liza. Worst case scenario in USA is we lose about a million old people that almost nobody cares about and a few hundred healthy young people.
    And half a million infants.

    You see, there are people who would like that to happen. There is profit to be made from every pandemic. Now read on, dunce.

    I am not afraid of another 1918 old school style Spanish flu, a random natural disaster that would have easily been stopped by today’s medical technology, I am afraid of people dying from a virus because other people want it to happen.

    People I care about might die painful deaths from this, so you and Liza are sinners, and not the interesting kinds of sinners, when you make light of it.

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
  227. @Art Deco

    These days many hospitals combine sick leave and vacation leave. This means that if you take time off sick, then you are essentially reducing your vacation time. As many hospital workers are women, they are going to tend to want to use their leave time when children are out of school or when the children are sick.

    The problem is perhaps not so much that people don’t get paid leave for sickness, but that they will return to work too early after sickness. Anyway, rest assured that most hospital employees have few incentives to call off sick if they have a condition that is potentially infectious.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  228. @Anonymous

    Anyway the quarantine method is the only damn thing that can slow down the infection rate obviously and we still don’t have any discussion of the issue in our news!

    Agreed. Our president likes to add countries to his no travel list to protect America. Adding China to the list is a no brainer.

    The approach being used by the UK is to screen all arrivals from China at major airports with medical teams on duty 24 hours a day, and to focus on giving instructions to arriving passengers on what they should do if they develop symptoms.

    They should not go to a hospital or doctor’s office, but call the National Health Service hotline for instructions, and presumably they will be told to stay put and presumably will be quarantined and seen by medical personnel at home.

    Sometimes it is helpful to have a unified health service and not to worry about whether people have to pay copayments and deductibles.

  229. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    She wasn’t a chaste virgin so it was OK for Bryant to rape her?

    I wasn’t there but I’m guessing that it was the typical MeToo type scenario – what he thought she consented to and what she actually consented to and what she said she consented to later were 3 different things. The accuser was, like Anita Hill, a little bit nutty (she had tried to kill herself previously) and a little bit slutty. In such a case, criminal convictions, with their high burden of proof, are very difficult to obtain. Kobe’s high priced lawyers would have left no stone unturned in trying to destroy her reputation on the stand. In a civil court, her case was good enough to be worth several million, which she in fact reportedly received.

    What’s interesting though is that in the Current Year, and especially if the accused is white, such allegations are usually career ending (even in the absence of a criminal conviction). Franken had to resign from the Senate because of a joke photo but the shvartse did things (by his own admission) that would make a porn start blush. But they didn’t hurt Kobe one bit – the few million he spend on legal defense and on a settlement to the victim were nothing compared to the hundreds of millions he made later.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Art Deco
  230. Truth says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Let me get thia straight; you were elated at the news of of the death of someone yiu had nothing against.

  231. @Old Palo Altan

    You will, I am certain, agree with me, ID, that we must earnestly pray for the Catholic Mr Bryant’s immortal soul.

    I do agree, and I said prayer for his soul when I first heard the news. Interestingly, I did not find out he was Catholic until after that.

  232. Jack D says:
    @Okechukwu

    You’re right – look at that photo. Who could have possibly picked out who in that photo was African? It’s impossible I tell you, impossible.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  233. Truth says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    When you die, Dawg, Ron will do a retrospective of your inspirational, and influential posting history..

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  234. JMcG says:
    @Art Deco

    He didn’t know what he didn’t know. Everyone who’s earned a PP Certificate has been warned about and trained to be careful about the exact scenario that that negligent idiot flew into.
    My Irish aunt was wailing that “They got John-John” within minutes of the announcement of his death.
    JFK Junior flew airplanes the way JFK Senior captained PT Boats. Incompetently. Both killed people through their hubris; unfortunately Senior didn’t have the grace to make sure he was one of his own victims.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  235. Jay Fink says:
    @Anonymous

    Yet for those who continue philandering I would prefer they get divorced. Otherwise it’s defacto polygamy.

  236. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Rodman’s father, Philander Rodman, had to be more aptly named.

    Rodman was born in Trenton, New Jersey, the son of Shirley and Philander Rodman, Jr., an Air Force enlisted member, who later fought in the Vietnam War. When he was young, his father left his family, eventually settling in the Philippines. Rodman has many brothers and sisters: according to his father, he has either 26 or 28 siblings on his father’s side. However, Rodman himself has stated that he is the oldest of a total of 47 children.

  237. @Stephen Dodge

    to be clear, I do not think that the Chinese government would be responsible, rather, people who think they can run a long con on the Chicoms.

    Do you remember where the opioid crisis started?
    I remember.

    Trust me I know what I am talking about. I have studied the criminal mind for decades.
    Cockroaches are angels compared to the average human career criminal.
    There are lots of criminals who are a lot more ambitious than silly people who think things like pandemics in this day and age are just simple forces of nature imagine them to be.

    Grow up, dunce.

    And yeah, if your response is hey that was a run on sentence, my response is, well it was not a run on sentence to intelligent people.

    • Replies: @sayless
  238. @Jonathan Mason

    These days many hospitals combine sick leave and vacation leave.

    It’s not just hospitals. Almost everyplace that is not union or government gives you x number of days of leave. You can use it for sick, vacation, hungover, whatever.

    And most of it is use it or lose it. Only in government can you accumulate sick days and then take them just before you retire at your highest rate.

  239. Truth says:
    @AnonAnon

    Did he at least tip you well for bringing them?

  240. @Hail

    Apparently there are only four of these E-11A aircraft in existence, and they are all assigned to a, “24-hour, no fail,” mission in Afghan translating communications between various incompatible platforms and serving as an airborne relay between platforms that lack the range to communicate directly.

    Supposedly the RQ-4 Global Hawk drone carries the same BACN communications package as the E-11A. I wonder why they aren’t flying those in-theater.

  241. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The old joke is that Chinese will eat anything with 4 legs except the table and anything that flies except an airplane.

    Cows and goats will eat the fabric off an airplane, and yes, there are still a fair number of fabric covered airplanes in service.

  242. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    She wasn’t a chaste virgin so it was OK for Bryant to rape her?

    Our traumatized young lady goes and bangs someone else the next day. What does that tell you about her actual emotional state, what does that tell you about how readily she takes her pants down, and what does that tell you about how credible his story is that she wanted his … attention?

    I wasn’t there but I’m guessing that it was the typical MeToo type scenario – what he thought she consented to and what she actually consented to and what she said she consented to later were 3 different things.

    No clue what a ‘typical #MeToo’ scenario is. Do know that some of these disputes (see Mattress Girl at Columbia) consist of young women reconceptualizing post hoc why they did what they did. The young man Mattress Girl tried to ruin had chatty texts from her post hoc which provided the evidence that that’s just what she did. Now, that fellow Nungesser isn’t an appealing person, but he and she are part of the same nexus and culture.

    Robert Stacy McCain had this to say:

    I remember that 2003 case, and my attitude at the time was that when an NBA player invites a woman to his hotel room, she should know what her acceptance of the invitation implies. I mean, c’mon — when NBA players leave the arena after a game, they are thronged by women desperate to be their companions for the night, and Kobe was an All-Star who had just won three consecutive championships.

    This woman was young, but she wasn’t young in the way my mother was young in 1949. Our single best guess is she got burned playing with fire. Tough.

  243. Art Deco says:

    Rodman was born in Trenton, New Jersey, the son of Shirley and Philander Rodman, Jr., an Air Force enlisted member, who later fought in the Vietnam War. When he was young, his father left his family, eventually settling in the Philippines. Rodman has many brothers and sisters: according to his father, he has either 26 or 28 siblings on his father’s side. However, Rodman himself has stated that he is the oldest of a total of 47 children.

    The smart money says someone’s pulling a great deal of yarn.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  244. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Franken had to resign from the Senate because of a joke photo but the shvartse did things (by his own admission) that would make a porn start blush.

    Porn stars perform for the camera. They don’t blush easily. What he supposedly did was position his hands / arm in such a way that it caused bruising to her neck and then cornhole her. Pretty gross, but the legal profession’s favorite mascot group does that sort of thing every day of the week.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  245. Anon7 says:

    So, I see that Chuck Schumer has come out with some sort of plan to put a bit more money into dealing with corona virus concerns. Good public relations, it diminishes Trump’s talking point that the Dems focused on useless shampeachment while Trump focused on the country.

    I wrote an OT post about this a while ago, that Trump should act. Unfortunately, the do nothing Democrats got out in front this time,

  246. @Art Deco

    Do know that some of these disputes (see Mattress Girl at Columbia) consist of young women reconceptualizing post hoc why they did what they did.

    Speaking of Columbia, there is a new ongoing, controversial sex assault case at that fine (LOL) institution:

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/23/columbia-university-guilty-ben-feibleman-voice-recordings/

    Personally, I think the dude should’ve walked home immediately after the reception and fired up Redtube and avoided Jane Doe like the plague.

  247. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    What he supposedly did was position his hands / arm in such a way that it caused bruising to her neck

    Wow – impressive . 20 words to say what could be said in 3- “He choked her”. Usually you have to go to law school before you can write in such a convoluted fashion whereby you’re not actually lying but you’re not exactly being straight either.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  248. @Art Deco

    It doesn’t matter how many insults you lob at him…

    …or how many sentences you start with “Her and…”

    Some people say that’s wrong. I just say it’s moronic. Especially in writing. Pinker and McWhorter may disagree.

  249. @Anonymous

    Of course you believe the “lone lady doctor”. Suppose she saw each patient in 5 minutes, she’d see 70 in a day, so it was only a matter of (thousands of) days until she had seen all those 90 thousand patients. The largest hospitals in the world have around one thousand beds, o she had too visit about 90 (of the largest) hospitals.

    Or maybe the Chinese had a public meeting, where the lady doctor got to inspect all the 90K cases?

    Re. Kobe Bryant, Wikipedia says he made almost 700 million dollars from player salaries and ads, but his net worth was 350 million. Sounds very intelligent to me. He was on some Year’s Entrepreneur list. Losing 350 million is indeed entrepreneurial.

  250. @Jack D

    The old joke is that Chinese will eat anything with 4 legs except the table and anything that flies except an airplane.

    Michel Lotito could have shown them how:

    Guinness: Strangest diet

    (Hmmm… that photo link has the character string “wop”. What are they implying?)

  251. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    Helicopters rarely fly IFR, which only gets you from airport to airport. The whole point of taking a helicopter is that it gets you all the way to your destination, not just to an airport. Scud running is a dirty word for fixed wing but it’s what helicopter pilots do all the time. His biggest mistake was probably not slowing way down. That’s what you do in a car when you are suddenly caught in a fog bank. You don’t go 180 mph when flying blind under VFR. At 180 mph the terrain comes up on you awfully fast. A helicopter can go any speed. Even if they had hit the mountain because the fog was pea soup thick, a hit at 20 mph is very different than a hit at 180.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  252. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    No, it’s not unusual for certain sexy black men to have dozens of offspring. If you can just sow your oats and don’t have to worry about supporting them, you can have a whole bunch.

    However, Rodman Sr. angrily denies that he had fathered 47 children and maintains that the number is only 29. What kind of a man do you take him for?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  253. Hail says: • Website
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    he made almost 700 million dollars from player salaries and ads, but his net worth was 350 million. Sounds very intelligent to me.

    Is there some other possible explanation here than “Kobe spent $350 million between the start of his NBA career in Jan. 1997 and his death in Jan. 2020” (or $15 million+ a year x 23 years)?

    (Perhaps inflation adjusted, well over $20 million a year in 2020 dollars; $60,000 a day in spending, year in and year out for twenty-three years, plus perks.)

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  254. Sparkon says:

    Wikipedia has been updating its article on the Death of Kobe Bryant:

    After proceeding through the Burbank controlled airspace, the flight turned west, following the Ventura Freeway (SR 134 [US 101]) into more hilly terrain at 9:42 a.m. (17:42 UTC). As the ground started to rise, the helicopter went into a climb, gaining 1,000 feet (300 m) of altitude in 36 seconds. According to transponder data, the helicopter was in a climbing left turn at an altitude of 2,400 feet (730 m), before banking to the left and entering a dive at 9:45:15 a.m. descending at a rate of -4,000 ft/min (20 m/s) with a speed of 160 knots (300 km/h [184 mph]) when it struck the hill at an elevation of approximately 1,400 feet (430 m)

    From what I can make of FR24’s map, the helicopter began flying over the 101 at State Route 27, or Topanga Canyon Blvd. near Woodland Hills, and continued along over the freeway for 5 or 6 miles until reaching near Los Virgenes Rd., when the helicopter began a turn to the left, went out of control at around 17:45:15, and smashed into a hillside above the Los Virgenes Water District offices at 17:45:33.

    From watching some of the overhead videos of the crash site, it appears the helicopter impacted directly on a path, with wreckage scattered over a wide area above it. I make that location to be
    34°08’11” N, 118°41’31” W at an elevation of 330 m, according to data from Google Earth, which also gives the elevation of the peaks above the crash site as ~440m and ~490 m. They are the tallest peaks in that area.

    https://www.wishtv.com/news/investigators-work-scene-of-kobe-bryants-chopper-crash/

    People on the ground in the area say the fog was very thick when they heard the helicopter overhead.

    Most likely, the pilot got disoriented in the fog while making the climbing turn, and lost control of the helicopter.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  255. JimDandy says:
    @Anonymous

    Very admirable to buy a 4 million dollar ring rather than lose more than half of everything.

  256. AnonAnon says:

    Interesting Coronavirus development – a close relative who works for an SV tech company tells me they have cancelled all travel to China (they do quite a bit) and is making all workers who come back from there to work at home for the next two weeks.

  257. sb says:

    Watching this from afar this appears to be Woke America’s Princess Di moment

    • LOL: Rob
  258. @Hail

    Haha. That reminds me of the “Story of Osmo,” philosopher Richard Taylor’s humorous attempt to to demonstrate the truth of fatalism. (Part of a much more serious attempt, I should add.)

    The Story of Osmo: God exists and is omniscient. He decides to speak to a scribe in a vision, and dictates to this scribe the details of the life of a man named Osmo. The scribe writes down everything that is told to him, and publishes it in a book called The Life of Osmo. Years later, Osmo happens to find this book, and looks inside because it has his name on the cover. To his astonishment, the book describes in great detail the events of his own life! There is one chapter devoted to each year of his life. Osmo, 26 years old at the time, even reads in chapter 26 a passage which describes Osmo finding and reading this very book! Then, Osmo realizes that the book only has 3 more chapters (29 in all). He flips to the end of the book to find out why. There, the book describes Osmo dying in a plane crash in Fort Wayne. “Hmm,” Osmo thinks. “I’ll have to make sure to never take a flight to Fort Wayne when I’m 29.” Three years later, on a flight to St. Paul, the pilot suddenly announces to the passengers that they are being re-routed to Fort Wayne. Panicking, Osmo tries to hijack the plane to prevent the plane from heading there. In the panic, the plane crashes and he dies.

    The idea is that future are events are just like past events in that they cannot be changed; and simply knowing what fate holds in store is insufficient to avert it.

    (I don’t think the story of Osmo does such a great job of proving this, since if I were Osmo I’d have made sure to be in another country entirely well before my scheduled appointment with my maker. Even if I were arrested there and extradited for interrogation in Fort Wayne on that fateful day, surely the events leading up to my death would have been different than what was inscribed the prophet’s book. If fatalism is absolutely true then it would have to be absolutely true in every detail, which in this particular case it wouldn’t be.)

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  259. @Intelligent Dasein

    Surely you could have made the same point without stressing that you were elated by the death of a stranger, who’d done you no harm, and whom you admit you didn’t wish any ill.

    • Agree: Dissident
  260. @Sparkon

    The safety advantage of a helicopter over a plane in fog is a helicopter can come to more or less of a stop in the air. If I got lost in the fog near the fairly rugged Santa Monica Mountains, I’d want to come to a stop, then ascend straight up until I was higher than the highest mountain in the area — up to say 4000 feet.

    So did the helicopter break or the pilot mess up?

  261. @Dacian Julien Soros

    His wealth was from ordinary income so he would have paid close to 50 percent in taxes.

    Reports of celebrity net worth are just estimates, may be much higher or much lower.

    Despite reports, Donald Trump has never been a billionaire, just a millionaire pitchman, which is why he won’t release his tax forms. Trump lost his lawsuit against a Wall Street Journal reporter who said that Trump was not a billionaire.

  262. @Steve Sailer

    Southern California is a really big place, which is why 17 million people can fit in.

    If L.A county alone had merely a quarter the population density of New York City, it’d hold over 25 million people.

  263. @silviosilver

    “…if I were Osmo I’d have made sure to be in another country entirely well before my scheduled appointment with my maker.”

    If I were Osmo, I would have just moved to Fort Wayne and never left.

  264. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A fully loaded helicopter can’t really go straight up. You need at least some forward speed and maybe 60 mph is optimal. But this guy was zipping along at 180 mph.

    The latest technology is something called “synthetic vision” which projects a sort of Google satellite map of what is in front of you on the PFD (primary flight display)

    Even if you can’t see out the windows you could see upcoming mountains on your display.

    But the helicopter was from 1991 and probably didn’t have it.

    • Replies: @danand
  265. Sparkon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I suppose it’s possible the helicopter hit a bird or flight of birds, and conceivably one or both of the engines might have ingested a bird or birds…

    By all accounts, the Sikorsky S-76 is a reliable helicopter with an excellent safety record. In the other four fatal crashes of this helicopter…

    • Swan’s S-76 took off in fog in Istanbul, and somehow crashed into a TV tower in 2017, killing 7.

    • Ornge’s S-76 crashed in 2013 shortly after a nighttime take-off, killing 5; blamed on unqualified personnel and pilots.

    • Finland’s Copterline Flight 103 crashed shortly after take-off in 2005, killing 14. Crash was blamed on rotor blade problems causing the helicopter to suddenly go out of control at 500 m.

    • 2002 Bristow Helicopters Sikorsky S-76A crash, the entire rotor head assembly with blades apparently detached itself from the 22 year old Sikorsky, killing 11.

    N72EX was manufactured in 1991.

    Whatever tragic disaster befell Kobe Bryant’s helicopter, it all happened in less than 20 seconds.

  266. Aldon says:

    All you need to know about Kobe is that he’s a Kunta Kinte whose apparent conduct around women remains an awkward subject among the usual suspects. They either dance around it or are careful to assert Kobe’s conduct was about male meanness and not him being a goddamn Negro who doesn’t belong in any country filled with Whites.

    Negroes are the latest version of the noble savage. The uncorrupted men. Their dysfunction and puerilty is either denied or spinned as virtue. Their convictions for sex offenses well outdo White men but the MSM and Hollywood does all it can to convince you that Negroes aren’t disease spreaders or bruisers but are smiley cutesy types or Idris Elba types. Kobe is just another example of this.

    • LOL: Truth
  267. Dan Smith says:
    @J1234

    Similar to a Spoonerism, another not-too-uncommon dysfluency.

  268. @Art Deco

    Our traumatized young lady goes and bangs someone else the next day. What does that tell you about her actual emotional state, what does that tell you about how readily she takes her pants down, and what does that tell you about how credible his story is that she wanted his … attention?

    It makes a difference whether the encounter is voluntary and pleasant or otherwise. Think of it as the distinction between being force-fed roaches and dining at the Four Seasons. Both involve eating. Just because someone is up for the second experience doesn’t mean she’s up for the first.

  269. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    1. Where are the bruises?

    2. How large are they?

    3. In what position was he in when they were received?

    You don’t know the answer to any of these questions.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  270. Brutusale says:
    @Alfa158

    The current consensus pick for today’s best college basketball player:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabrina_Ionescu

  271. Brutusale says:
    @Steve Sailer

    He was a workaholic who got a lot done, but he didn’t really have that extra level of legend about him like Jordan or Magic or Bird.

    Bryant wasn’t at that level to begin with. But a Magic without HIV and a Bird without the career-ending back injury would have left no room for discussion anyway.

    https://nesn.com/2015/08/reggie-miller-picks-larry-bird-over-lebron-james-in-hypothetical-draft-video/

  272. Brutusale says:
    @Art Deco

    Yes, we do.

    When asked about bruises on the accuser’s neck, Bryant admitted to “strangling” her during the encounter, stating that he held her “from the back” “around her neck”, that strangling during sex was his “thing” and that he had a pattern of strangling a different sex partner (not his wife) during their recurring sexual encounters. When asked how hard he was holding onto her neck, Bryant stated, “My hands are strong. I don’t know.”–Wikipedia, Kobe Bryant Sexual Assault Case

    “The facts on record from that night in Colorado aren’t great for Bryant, and they must be looked at, squarely: After a brief encounter in Bryant’s hotel room, a 19-year-old front-desk clerk left with a bruise on her jaw and blood—hers—on her clothing and Bryant’s.”–The Atlantic, 1/27/2020

    So, at the risk of being too graphic, it sure sounds like doggie anal with choking. Or maybe it’s just a case of another white woman not used to the joys of sexual congress with a black male.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Art Deco
  273. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    No, it’s not unusual for certain sexy black men to have dozens of offspring.

    Black Americans are not a peculiarly fecund population. Their total fertility rate is 2.1 births per woman per lifetime. Per the National Center for Health Statistics, black women are somewhat more likely than the generic American woman to produce more than three children. About 12% of all children born in this country are a woman’s 4th or 5th or 6th etc. Among black women, about 16% of the children born fit that description. (The datum is from 2014).

    If you’ll scroll down to Table 3 here:

    https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2019/demo/P70-162.pdf

    You’ll note that 12% of the childless men in the United States are black. There are 127 million men over 15 in this country, of whom 15 million (12%) are black. You’ll also note at Table 8 that the share of black men at age 45 who are childless (18.6%) is lower than that of the general population of men (24.1%), but not radically lower. You’ll note at Table 2 that the share of generic males over 60 who have have no children is 15.6%. Because the age distribution of the black population differs some from that of the general population differs and because Table 8 doesn’t have a racial breakdown, it’s difficult to say what this means precisely, but the suggestion is that black men are about as likely as the generic male to arrive at old age childless, but less likely to father their first child after age 45.

    The Census Bureau estimates about 620,000 births a year to black women between 2010 and 2018. The remainder of the population produced about 3.4 million births per year. There were about 500,000 who were their mother’s 4th child or greater than 4th. Of these, about 100,000 were black children. So, the number of non-black youngsters that high in the birth order were around 400,000. The ratio of black to non-black births aside from these 500,000 children was about 0.175, so, if the propensities were the same, you’d have about 70,000 black children born each year who were their mother’s 4th or higher. So, you have an excess of 30,000 births every year (to black women) at these high birth orders. That’s just shy of 5% of all black births.

    Your posited 14-kids-a-piece broncos are siring 30,000 children a year, max. If I sire 14 children between the ages of 15 and 61, I have to sire a child about once every 3.3 years. So, you’re positing there is a population of 100,00o broncos out there with a 30% chance of siring a child in any given year, out of a fertile black male population of about 15 million. Which is to say 6.7% of the total, max. The number who actually are producing ‘dozens’ (i.e. > 23 ) of children would be a fraction of that. How atypical does something have to be before lawyers concede it is ‘unusual’?

  274. @JMcG

    JFKJ got out over the water on a hazy day, had no clear horizon, got disoriented and spun it in. He was too incompetent to simply rely on the his artificial horizon, something as you point out, everyone with a private license is trained to do.

    Kennedy’s sure are good at killing people in the water via drunkenness and/or incompetence. Wouldn’t we all have been better off if his uncle hadn’t found his way out of that car?

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  275. @Dacian Julien Soros

    700 million dollars from player salaries and ads, but his net worth was 350 million. Sounds very intelligent to me. He was on some Year’s Entrepreneur list. Losing 350 million is indeed entrepreneurial.

    He would have paid an exorbitant amount in taxes.

  276. @Jack D

    IFR, which only gets you from airport to airport.

    Thanks Jack. I was flying IFR just last Monday, shot an approach thru a 700′ ceiling (about 1000′ lower than what Burbank was reporting when the chopper crashed). So I know what IFR means.

    all the way to your destination, not just to an airport.

    You can’t just land a helicopter wherever you feel like it.

    His biggest mistake was probably not slowing way down

    A lot of words to say “I agree with you its going to be ruled Controlled Flight into Terrain, i.e. pilot error.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  277. Liza says:
    @Ozymandias

    Any opinions as to why only 30-50% of Europeans died at the Black Death? Here’s one:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/black-death-survivors-and-their-descendants-went-on-to-live-longer/

    It is not actually just “opinion”. It is reality. And just because someone is 70 years of age doesn’t mean they automatically “get” Corona virus. We need to look after our health, ie, to strengthen ourselves so that the virus/germ/whatever isn’t interested in us. I guess that’s news to you, though.

    Some yr. ago we had bedbugs in our house, which came along with a used mattress someone gave us. So, those little buggers crawled all over us for weeks (before I got rid of them) but not one bite. Not one. Guess that our family doesn’t have the proper stink of degeneracy.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  278. @Steve Sailer

    So did the helicopter break or the pilot mess up?

    I’d give 99/1 odds it was the latter. The pilot was instrument-rated but it isn’t clear if he was legally instrument current…but the bigger question is was he proficient? Flying in SoCal is like flying in Florida – its tough to remain really proficient on instruments because you don’t get instrument conditions all that often. Spending 30 seconds descending or climbing through a fog layer (err, sorry “marine layer”) isn’t the same as the type of stationary weather systems you get in the midwest/mid-Atlantic/northeast where you’re “in the soup” for extended periods of time.

    Losing all visual reference suddenly can be very disorienting. You have to immediately transition from visual reference (e.g. look out the window at the horizon and keep the ground on the bottom and the sky on the top) to relying on your artificial horizon AND disregarding your inner ear which WILL lie to you. Doing it while climbing/descending and banking is not easy for someone that isn’t proficient.

    A staple “lesson” when getting your instrument rating is a demonstration of just how much your inner lies when there is no horizon – the flight instructor has the pilot close their eyes and try to keep the airplane straight and level. Typically its less than 20 seconds before you’re in 60 degrees of bank and the nose is pointed down. It really drives the point home that you HAVE to go to the artificial horizon immediately and do not believe what your body is telling you.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  279. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    You can’t just land a helicopter wherever you feel like it.

    That’s true but there are many helipads outside of airports that do not have IFR approaches. It’s my understanding that while it’s entirely possible to fly helicopters under IFR, it’s not really common. Given helicopter’s capabilities, it’s generally easier to just scud run. Kobe’s pilot was not flying IFR when he crashed, having been given special clearance to fly low. Rather than fly IFR, they will mostly just stay on the ground. Helicopter pilots just have a different mentality than fixed wing because the aircraft are so different.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  280. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    Your inner ear is not really “lying” – it’s doing what it is supposed to do within the limits of its capabilities (since humans are not really meant to fly). From the ear’s inertial frame of reference, “level” may be tilted or even upside down. Your inner ear behaves exactly like the glass of iced tea in this video:

    The glass of tea is not “lying” when it doesn’t spill even though the airplane is upside down, it’s just behaving in accordance with the laws of physics.

  281. Jack D says:
    @Brutusale

    This is how The Atlantic article ends:

    In recent years, as Bryant showed us more of his thoughtful side, it became possible to wonder if he might one day revisit that night in Colorado, even if only in private, perhaps in response to persistent questioning from his girls. Bryant always seemed to have one more pivot in him. Maybe, had he lived, he would have tried to confront the contradictions that marked his relationships with women, including his accuser. Maybe he would have worked to make amends in a way that changed the perspective of all those young players who admire him. That we’ll never know is now one more tragedy among many.

    It’s also “possible to wonder” if Bryant might have one day renounced all his earthly goods and take vows of poverty and chastity as a Buddhist monk, wandering the earth with only his begging bowl. That was possible too but not bloody likely.

    I think the author is being entirely too charitable to Bryant and conjuring up a penitence that existed only in the author’s imagination. Methinks that if the man in the hotel room had been say a white businessman the author would not have given him a similar benefit of the doubt based on nothing.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  282. @Jack D

    Go fly an airplane in IMC relying solely on your inner ear, then come back and tell us all about it.

  283. I would be more than a little surprised if it turns out that the pilot was exceeding the maximum rated speed of the aircraft, in the fog, because he wanted to.

  284. danand says:
    @Jack D

    “But the helicopter was from 1991 and probably didn’t have it.”

    Jack, cockpit avionics are typically upgraded for expensive charter aircraft. Don’t see too many remain more a couple decades old without upgrading. This is a recent cockpit shot of the S-76B which flew into the hill Saturday.

    EA04A1BB-BB80-4A06-8788-C3E534C923E1

    What’s not so obvious in the many “side” shots that have been shown in most of the news coverage of the crash, is how steep the grade is in the direction the chopper was flying. At around the 40 min mark in this drone video that becomes more clear:

    Years ago I “piloted” at least a dozen toy aircraft into the sides of hills at high speeds. When those initial news reports showed the crash scene I speculated to those viewing with me, that based on the debris field, that helicopter must have bee going near 200 MPH. For once in a blue moon I was almost right.

  285. @KenH

    Very few blacks would mourn a well known white athlete who was known for exemplary personal conduct.

  286. @Jack D

    See: https://skyvector.com/?ll=34.2098056,-118.4899722&chart=114&zoom=2

    Click on “LA West Heli”at the top right if it isn’t already set to it.

    The red circle is the Temporary Flight Restriction (TFR) around the crash site.

    You can see there are quite a few helipads but most are labeled private (PVT on the chart). Private helipads for a guy like Kobe wouldn’t be a big deal most likely – the pilot would just call before leaving and get permission.

    Around the crash site the two pads are for Sheriffs and Fire Dept, I doubt they’d give them permission though. So my guess is that was just where they crashed, not necessarily where they were going.

  287. @Liza

    “Guess that our family doesn’t have the proper stink of degeneracy.”

    You would be well advised to seek an outside opinion on this matter.

    • Replies: @Liza
  288. BB753 says:

    OK, so here nobody gives a flying fig about the coronavirus or the impeachment. You’re more interested about a black dude who used to play ball (but worse than Michael Jordan) and was named after a steak! Lol!

  289. @Jack D

    I worked with a guy who flew helo SAR off carriers. He said if you don’t trust your instruments when you’re out there at night, you will end up dead. Your mind plays tricks on you as it tries to orient itself.

  290. @Hail

    My explanation is that Bryant was an imbecile, and got fleeced by investment advisors, who exploited his weakness for “entrepreneurship” generously oiled by the brown-nosing press. I don’t think journalists found him interesting beyond his amazing juggling skills and his sex life, but the American viewer was never tired of the Great Olympian turned Entrepreneur World Champion. Just look at us talking about him as if he was more relevat than Casper the Ghost, Dr Who, or any other TV artifact.

    If taxes, inflation, or expenses were a proper excuse, they would have impacted any other rich man.

  291. sayless says:
    @Pinche Perro

    Not a gold digger. Lacerations. Bruises. Naive doesn’t mean she was a gold digger.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
  292. Sparkon says:

    I think it unlikely that a bird strike played any role in the crash of Kobe Bryant’s Sikorsky S-76B. However, the pilot Ara Zobayan of Huntington Beach, Cal. was 50, and it’s not out of the question that he might have suffered a heart attack, had a stroke, or experienced loss of consciousness. The coroner should be able to determine if any medical condition or event could have contributed to the crash.

    In Zobayan’s last known transmission, he radioed that he was climbing to avoid a cloud layer, but failed to respond when ATC asked for his plans. That could be an ominous sign that the pilot was already disoriented and had perhaps even already lost control.

    Looking at the helicopter’s last flight data, between 9:44:13 and and 9:44:39, the aircraft was flying at 1250 feet over the 101 freeway as it left the San Fernando Valley and entered the airspace over the more rugged terrain of the Santa Monica mountains. Over the next 21 seconds, the S-76B gained 500 feet of altitude and had climbed to 1750 feet by 9:45:00.

    My reconstruction of its flight path puts the chopper almost directly over Las Virgenes Rd. at that point, close in to the north side of the 101. It is reasonable to think that the pilot’s radio transmission about climbing to avoid the cloud layer was before or during the time he was climbing to 1750 feet, but it may have been later, as the helicopter continued climbing for another 15 seconds.

    By 9:45:15, the S-76B had climbed to 2125 feet, but was beginning to lose vertical speed. The helicopter had also crossed over and turned away from the 101 onto a course flying due south for 8 seconds, before veering off to the left, crossing over Las Virgenes Rd. again, and entering a canyon where the last data received from the chopper put it over a reservoir above the Las Virgenes Water District offices at 9:45:29.

    My reconstruction puts the crash site at or near 34.136846, -118.692403, or about 600 meters further north up the valley from the helicopter’s last position recorded by FR24. At 180 mph, the helicopter would travel those 600 meters in ~7.5 seconds, putting time of impact at around 9:45:36.

    Las Virgenes Road is also known as Malibu Canyon Road over its southern portion. It is in a valley that acts as a natural funnel for cool marine air to invade inland, fill all the valleys, and spill over ridgelines. I surmise that while approaching Las Virgenes Rd., the pilot noted the stacked-up overcast conditions at this location, and thought he could fly over the clouds, but may have instead flown into the clouds, lost all visual reference, and additionally lost control of the helicopter.

    The NTSB has said that the helicopter was in a left bank when it hit the ground at 184 mph. Clearly, the helicopter was out of control.

    There should have been 100s of motorists transiting both the 101 and Las Virgenes Rd. during that period. It is not unreasonable to think a few of them may have had dash cams running that recorded weather conditions near that intersection, but videos of the crash site taken in its immediate aftermath, along with eyewitness accounts, are ample indication of the poor visibility in the area at the time.

    All this, just to prove I really can spell Las Virgenes.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
    , @Yngvar
  293. @Sparkon

    Thanks. I’ve been past there a hundred times, going to Malibu Creek State Park and the like. It’s rugged country, getting up to a peak of 3,100 feet a few miles to the west.

  294. Pericles says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    some fashionable beef recipe.

    This wagyu beef delicacy is twirled in the air by the chef, then quickly and forcefully grilled by the patron’s table, and served as is. Bon appetit!

  295. Jack D says:
    @Sparkon

    and it’s not out of the question that he might have suffered a heart attack, had a stroke, or experienced loss of consciousness

    It’s also not out of the question that he was enraptured by an angel, but it’s not bloody likely either. It’s possible that at the very moment he entered a fog bank he also had a medical crisis or a bird strike or a mechanical failure or whatever but the most likely thing is that he became disoriented due to the sudden loss of visual reference. This seems to be a sufficient explanation all by itself. While the NTSB will examine all of the possibilities (except maybe for rapture) they will probably rule out all other causes.

  296. MEH 0910 says:

    New video shows Kobe Bryant’s helicopter before crash

    These photos were taken by a mountain biker who was on a nearby trail when the helicopter slammed into the hillside around 9:45 AM Sunday. The biker says he took the pics at 9:49 AM … which explains why the flames are so intense in these photos.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  297. Jack D says:
    @MEH 0910

    All civilian aircraft are built very lightly compared to road vehicles of the same size or else they couldn’t fly. A Robinson R44 4 person helicopter weighs 1450 lbs. empty which is maybe half the weight of a comparable car. They are made of thin aluminum and Plexiglas, not steel. Such a vehicle is not going to meet crash test standards (one reason why flying cars have never succeeded) and is going to crumple like a cheap suit when it hits a mountain, especially if you are going 180 mph. when you hit. Add to that the fact that an S-76 carries 280 gallons of jet fuel in its tanks and you are going to have a nice little bonfire.

    • Replies: @BB753
  298. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    Except the planes that hit the Twin Towers, those went right through steel and concrete at low speed. How come?

  299. Yngvar says:
    @Sparkon

    Based on the crash history of this helicopter type, it was flake in the hydraulic system that led to a total loss of control when it banked.

  300. Art Deco says:
    @Brutusale

    So, at the risk of being too graphic, it sure sounds like doggie anal with choking.

    Yes, that’s what it sounds like. Here’s a hypothesis, she puts herself on the sideboard for him, and discovers the implications of that. Questi0n, as a matter of positive law or in concord with natural law, can you charge a man with a felony because she disliked aspects of what she did ask for?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  301. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    First of all, she said that she did not agree to intercourse at all and was taken by force. 2nd, as a matter of law (hypothetically – more below), consent to one act does not mean consent to all possible acts and consent can be revoked at any point.

    I don’t know what you mean by natural law but I guess by some customary ways of thinking, if you put yourself in a compromising position (i.e. a young lady goes unchaperoned into a man’s hotel room) then you deserve what you get, but this is not what the law says.

    On the 3rd hand, Mattress Girl complained that she had agreed to vaginal intercourse but not to a back door entrance. The police and the prosecutors declined to prosecute because they didn’t think that any jury would convict on that basis even though strictly speaking she had not consented to that act.

  302. Dissident says:
    @Alden

    Thanks. Have you any ideas on what may have happened to Hoffa?

  303. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    No Shockley would hardly have meant no semiconductors. They already had two terminal semis for rectification and detection. The transistor was inevitable. The work of Britain, Bardeen and Shockley made it happen better and faster.

    Shockley was a great man in many ways, but he was not utterly irreplaceable. Humans were doing okay with vacuum tubes, relays, solenoids, , etc and those technologies were never completely maxed out. Possibly the FET would have been the first popular amplifying semi rather than the bipolar transistor.

  304. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    Would have been better had the Kopechnes not been buyable and/or the voters in Mass. decided they really didn’t need such a Senator. But yes, if the fat pig had drowned we’d be better off now.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  305. @Jack D

    First of all, she said that she did not agree to intercourse at all and was taken by force. 2nd, as a matter of law (hypothetically – more below), consent to one act does not mean consent to all possible acts and consent can be revoked at any point.

    I don’t know what you mean by natural law but I guess by some customary ways of thinking, if you put yourself in a compromising position (i.e. a young lady goes unchaperoned into a man’s hotel room) then you deserve what you get, but this is not what the law says.

    Some might even say that when a girl walks into that room, she consents to having her face rearranged, if this is what gets the guy going, sexually-speaking. But that, again, is not what the law permits the guy to do. Her mistake was in thinking that a black athlete’s private behavior resembles his G-rated, endorsement-friendly public persona, and that it is similar to that of most white men, athletes or otherwise. She discovered, too late, that she was wrong. And that prosecutors would side with superstar black athletes with a yen for anal rape over lumpen whites like her. Prosecutors are also fans of pro sports, with James Comey being a prominent example.

    • Agree: David In TN
  306. Thirdeye says:
    @sayless

    Lack of physical trauma found by the examination, even with traces of Kobe’s jizzum still on her, was one thing that undermined her claim. The starstruck girl went after Kobe like Monica went after Bill, then was disappointed when Kobe acted coldly towards her and made her feel like a piece of used tissue in the aftermath. Acting like a disrespectful jerk after sex is not the same thing as being a rapist, but it sure can get somebody accused of rape.

    • Disagree: Rob
  307. Thirdeye says:
    @Jack D

    If the man in the hotel room had been a white businessman she wouldn’t have been willing to doink with him. Trump alluded to a truth about the quirks of consent when he said, “You can do anything when you’re a star…grab ’em by the pussy.”

  308. MEH 0910 says:

    Impeachment, Kobe RIP, Corona Virus

    Comments?

    I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that Trump’s impeachment has brought bad juju upon the world.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  309. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    That reminds me of that Polish airliner crash in Russia some years ago, which killed the Polish prime minister and a bunch of other government officials. Visibility was poor, and the pilots wanted to divert to another airport, but were ordered to land anyway by the PM, who I guess didn’t want to look like a pussy in front of the Russians.

  310. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon

    Unpowered helicopters will glide just like planes. The landing may be rough but should result in nothing worse than broken wheels or bent skids.

  311. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    First of all, she said that she did not agree to intercourse at all

    She’s in his hotel room for a reason.

  312. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    I think the Kopechnes accepted settlement money and were not aggressive, but there was nothing they could do about the corruption in the Massachusetts political establishment. It was up to the local prosecutor to tell the people working the phones to go f*ck themselves. In that circumstance, the Kennedy camarilla would have had to lean on the judge, who might have caved or might not have.

    Kennedy’s opponent in 1970 behaved as if it would be a terribly dirty trick to make an issue of his having skated on a charge of vehicular manslaughter. The moral idiocy in Massachusetts was everywhere at that time.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  313. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    if you put yourself in a compromising position (i.e. a young lady goes unchaperoned into a man’s hotel room) then you deserve what you get,

    No, if you ask for something as manifest in your conduct, you can’t complain when you actually get it.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  314. @Art Deco

    No, if you ask for something as manifest in your conduct, you can’t complain when you actually get it.

    I think you’re making assumptions about people’s intelligence, common sense and instincts for self-preservation that are unwarranted, for a good chunk of the population. Mollie Cecilia Tibbetts went jogging outdoors alone without a gun in a sparsely-populated area. She paid the ultimate price when she was raped and killed.

  315. @Art Deco

    Yes. In addition, the Kennedy operatives went to considerable length to keep Mary Jo Kopechne’s parents from making trouble for their charge.

    If her parents had said to the TV cameras; “He killed our daughter and should be prosecuted!” He should be forced to resign!”–It would have caused Ted Kennedy trouble. It wouldn’t have made the Massachusetts authorities prosecute him for Manslaughter. No power on earth could have done that.

    The one thing the Kopechnes could have done was a multi-million dollar wrongful death suit with depositions under oath by all the players and a trial.

    From the first, Kennedy operatives went to hold the hands of her parents, tell them Ted was sorry, and keep the press at bay and obfuscate about what really happened. In other words prevent the Kopechnes from knowing how bad Kennedy’s behavior really was.

  316. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    brought bad juju upon the world.

  317. Sparkon says:

    A few updates on the helicopter crash that killed NBA legend Kobe Bryant.

    The coroner’s report indicates the pilot and passengers died of blunt force trauma. That finding rules out a medical event as a cause of the crash.

    I’v been reading comments about the event by fixed-wing and chopper pilots. Many agree with the basic scenario where the pilot got disoriented after flying into clouds and/or fog, failed to make the transition to flying by his instruments, lost control of the helicopter, and augered in.

    It’s interesting the NTSB says Island Air’s Sikorsky S-76B was not equipped with any terrain warning system, while former pilot Deetz was speculating that the terrain warning alarm might have gone off as the helicopter approached Las Virgenes Rd. and startled pilot Ara Zobayan, causing him to initiate a “zoom climb.”

    I read too that the helicopter previously had a CVR but apparently it had been removed. The previous owner of the helicopter was the state of Illinois, where it was used by former Gov. Rob Blagojevich, who is still rotting in prison, although Pres. Trump has hinted he might commute Blago’s remaining sentence, which runs until 2024.

    Under the direction of former Gov. Bruce Rauner, the state sold the helicopter along with four other surplus aircraft in 2015 for $2.5 million. Rauner said selling the aircraft “also avoided an additional $1 million in inspections and repairs,” according to an Associated Press story after the sales.

    The winning bid for the helicopter was $515,161, placed by user “Jimbagge1,” according to a listing on the state’s online auction website, iBid. Both the aircraft and its two engines had just under 4,000 hours of airframe time when the copter was sold.

    At the time of the crash, the registered owner of the helicopter was Island Express Holding Corp of Van Nuys, Calif., which registered it a month after it was won at auction.

    No wonder Illinois is broke.

    Apparently, an iPad was recovered from the crash site, supposedly running ForeFlight, a navigation application. It will be interesting to learn if the pilot was flying with the iPad on his lap, or if it was mounted in the cockpit of the helicopter.

    If you navigate with Google Earth to the point and approximate elevation and course of the S-76B when it first crossed Las Virgenes Rd., a substantial 1600 ft. hill will be filling your screen, and the 101 will be curving left to the southwest to go around this terrain feature. Even without any TAWS onboard, the sight of that big hill emerging out of the fog might have been enough visual stimulus to make pilot Zobayan initiate a “zoom climb.” We know Zobayan radioed that he was climbing, and he was never heard from again.

    There is a dangerous condition with helicopters known as a retreating blade stall that results in a roll to the left. My understanding is that this condition can occur at high speed after abrupt or steep turns.

    When operating at high forward airspeeds, the following conditions are most likely to produce blade stall:

    • High blade loading (high gross weight)
    • Low rotor RPM
    • High density altitude
    • Steep or abrupt turns
    • Turbulent air

    http://www.copters.com/aero/retreating.html

    A few pilots have suggested the correct course of action for Zobayan after his unplanned flight into the fog/clouds was to level the helicopter and initiate a 10° climb until he broke through to blue sky. The artificial horizon, or Attitude Indicator can be used to fly an aircraft safely by showing the position of the wings (or rotor) and nose of the aircraft with respect to the horizon. However, if the aircraft is already out of control, it may be very difficult for the pilot to regain control even if he knows which way is up. At low altitude, he may have only a few seconds…

    I’m still hoping to see some dash cam video from cars travelling through Camarillo on the 101 at that time. That imagery could provide excellent views of the terrain and airspace in question.

    Of course now with 20/20 hindsight, I can say the true correct course of action for Zobayan was to have turned his helicopter around and gone home, long before he ever got anywhere near the soup filling and probably spilling over the terrain bottleneck in Camarillo, where U.S. Highway 101 crosses Las Virgenes Road.

    After the 101 passes through that notch in the big hills at Camrillo, there are no significant terrain obstacles going into 1000 Oaks. However, the helicopter was not certified or authorized for instrumental flight, only visual flight rules, so Zobayan was not legally allowed to do that, and probably he and/or his company would have been fined, and slapped with penalties, but all of that is still ever so very much better than being deceased.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  318. @Sparkon

    Was the pilot trying to turn around when he reached the intersection of the 101 freeway and Malibu Canyon Road. How much room do you need to turn a helicopter around?

    One of my relatives was in a flying club with a shared private airplane. One day he took his sister up over the San Francisco Bay. Thick fog rolled in, as it is wont to do in San Francisco, and they got stuck above the clouds for a couple of hours. Finally, a hole opened in the clouds and, remarkably, an airport was visible through the opening. So they didn’t die.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  319. Sparkon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I don’t know, but he was going pretty fast, doing what pilots call “scud running” — flying under the clouds — near Calabasas at the Las Virgenes interchange, not Camarillo as I twice misstated. Camarillo was was the doomed flight’s destination. Then limo back to Thousand Oaks, apparently. I should have written:

    Of course now with 20/20 hindsight, I can say the true correct course of action for Zobayan was to have turned his helicopter around and gone home, long before he ever got anywhere near the soup filling and probably spilling over the terrain bottleneck in Calabasas, where U.S. Highway 101 crosses Las Virgenes Road.

    After the 101 passes through that notch in the big hills at Calabasas, there are no significant terrain obstacles going into 1000 Oaks.

    Zobayan was flying about 150 mph as he approached that narrow passage by the highway interchange at Calabasas – too fast, some pilots seem to think, to be flying under the clouds in foggy conditions in hilly terrain under VFR.

    The relative high speed would have made everything more difficult, turns wider, less time to think, but in any event, I think the pilot would need to inform ATC and get their permission to turn around. If a pilot declares an emergency, then he can basically break any rule he wants to ensure the airplane keeps flying safely. I think that’s the way it works.

    As I say, I think it’s an ominous sign that the pilot made no further known communication after beginning to climb. Coupled with the helicopter’s somewhat erratic flight pattern after that, I think it’s likely Zobayan had already become disoriented as soon as he lost sight of the ground during the climb and/or flew into a cloud.

    This forum has a picture on page 1 from probably the LVR/101 interchange taken not long after the crash, and showing thick fog and poor visibility. Poster says ceiling was 800′.

    https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/kobe-bryant-dead-in-helicopter-crash.124018/

    Here’s another take, from Los Angeles Magazine

    Without outside reference to a horizon it’s very easy to become quickly disoriented. It’s like you were in a car and someone just painted your entire windshield white. Inadvertently flying into a cloud layer is very dangerous and kills a lot of pilots every year.

    A Local Pilot Examines the Evidence Emerging About Kobe’s Last Flight

    Well, I’ve never even flown in a helicopter, and I don’t really enjoy flying at all these days, but I do like basketball. Along with baseball, it’s the most enjoyable sport, and I played both as a young guy all the time. I’ve never been a real Lakers fan, but Jerry West was one of my favorite players, and obviously, Kobe was one of the all-time greats.

    RIP

  320. Liza says:
    @Ozymandias

    You would be well advised to seek an outside opinion on this matter.

    What are you waiting for, then? You’ve got an opinion on everything else and you lose your shit when someone has a different one.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
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