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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Manifesto Destiny
by Steve Sailer

June 19, 2019

This Land Is Our Land: An Immigrant’s Manifesto by Calcutta-born NYU journalism professor Suketu Mehta takes pro-immigration polemics to their logical conclusion: “Immigration as reparations.” Historically white countries must open their borders because whites have sinned and deserve punishment. But just lie back and think of diversity:

Indeed, a huge bill is coming due to the West. And it is one that the West is not only morally obligated to pay, but one that it should look forward to paying.

Mehta’s book is rife with anecdotes about deplorable white people saying insensitive things to his family. … He begins with a tale of which he’s particularly proud: An Englishman in London asks his grandfather why he is in his country:

“Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

Who wouldn’t want to let in more Mehtas? They sound like a delightful family, folks who definitely have your best interests at heart.

On the other hand, the author isn’t, technically, in Britain. He’s been living in the United States of America since his Gujarati diamond-merchant family arrived in Queens in 1977. As he sums up his manifesto:

I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now.

Of course, exactly why Americans merit vengeance for the sins, real and imaginary, of the British Raj isn’t fully explained in This Land Is Our Land. But that’s not the point; the point is that you white people have money, which means you are guilty, and therefore you must pay.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don’t have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or “social justice” or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren’t enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it’s Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    • Agree: Daniel H, anon19
    • Replies: @indocon
    "Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews."

    This is only and only because the white establishment allows it. Asians will be mostly acquiesce to the existing power structure, if tomorrow whitey establishment puts itself back again in the power structure, in a heartbeat you will see the next versions of Suketu Mehta praising Thomas Jefferson.
    , @R.G. Camara
    In the mostly enjoyable Bride & Prejudice,---a Bollywood adaptation of Pride & Prejudice---the lead male is a white American (Mr. Darcy), while the lead female is an Indian national. Most of the movie is set in India.

    I say mostly enjoyable because, at one point out of the blue, the Elizabeth Bennett-Indian chick gets all uppity at the American-Mr. Darcy about British occupation having hurt India. When a rightly confused American-Mr. Darcy rightly utters in protest, "But I'm not British. I'm American!" sassy Ms.Bennett-Indian shoots back "Exactly." and the scene ends.

    The impression you get from the way the scene ends is that her "comeback" was awesome (I'm sure Indians cheered) , but it still makes no sense. Now do I realize the dot-heads hold a huge grudge against the entire white race for colonialism---or, more precisely, think whites usurped the Indian race's position on top-----, and this was a warning shot that if they ever got power over whites, they would exact a racial attack cloaked as revenge.

    Suketu Mehta is part of that racial hatred.

    Anyway, here's the movie's trailer....however, the line isn't in it, as far as I could see:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFYwqts1_TI

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Jews are more talented than Indians, but Indians won't become the Jews' mandarin class. Jews were spoiled by gentile whites, especially over the past 50 to 100 years. Jews were able to be both white and Jewish. Indians won't let them get away with that. To an Indian, a Jew is a Jew, and Indians will never forget that a Jew isn't an Indian.

    Indians will cut Jews out of loop the second that they can. They will do business with other Indians and openly tell Jews that they aren't welcome because they are Jewish. Jews are very talented, but if someone won't let you play, it doesn't matter how good you are.

    Indians and Chinese immigrants are not "Good for the Jews."
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    I don't think it matters in practice but like @indocon writes in response to your comment I think that Asians (East and Southeast) aren't all that sincere about these poses outside of a very few like that Saira Rao character (who really seems mentally ill). What they do know is power and bargaining, and if the "rules" of the game permit this sort of behavior to gain advantage they're going to exploit it to the fullest.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, but this could become interesting. Indians are dumber Jews. They are not clever. They are not strategic like Jews. It's all brute force until it works for them. Which might be good for whites. We do not seem to be clever enough to figure out the Jews. However, with Indians telling us directly to our faces that we should die, we may see a different reaction.
    , @Alden
    Major problem with Chinese is that they bring bedbugs which invade neighboring buildings. Just was told about another out break in the neighborhood.

    Never a bedbug ever in this neighborhood until about 4 years ago. A building 3 and 4 bedroom apartments 3/4 block long, long side of the block 5 stories high was built. Landlord rented to Chinese students at the university direct from China. Way overcrowded of course.

    Students started arriving middle of July by middle of August bedbugs swarming all over the neighborhood. They were eradicated right around by monthly expensive spraying of all apartments, common areas etc. so they have migrated about a mile from the Chinese student bedbug farm.

    I’ve heard Hindu Indians are the worst of the
    “Skilled intelligent desire able ” immigrants as far as housekeeping goes.

    Interesting that there were no lice in San Francisco schools until about 3 years after Nixon & Kissinger opened to China and half the population of Hong Kong arrived.

    Because if the bedbug invasion, I don’t believe that the rise in the bug population is because they’ve become immune to pesticides. It’s because filth world immigrants are bringing them in.
    , @Moses

    They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.
     
    Moar of this. Much moar. The clarity is refreshing.

    It will help Whites wake up.

    These people hate you. They hate you. They want your country and they want your stuff.

    They want you and your kind gone. And you are inviting more of them in every day.

    Wake up already.

    , @Colin Wright
    '...Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews...'

    Meh. 'Troublesome Asians' are like that horrible creature the New York Times created. They're pets of the Left; people who have discovered a niche occupation. Stop feeding them, and they'll stop showing up on your porch.

    Most Asians -- and most Hispanics -- don't bother their pretty little heads about this crap. This differs from, say, Blacks and Jews.
  2. Mehta’s grumblings are hilarious!

    Do you realize how badly our peoples have been oppressed by evil whites?! Our family could only afford 17 indentured servants!!!

    So the next question is: When are American blacks going to wake up and realize these outsiders are muscling their way in on the big racial grievance scam? Probably not until after it’s way too late. (Logic, numeracy — not their strong suits.)

    How many stories have we seen regarding the black community being outraged when some corrupt black educrat is found guilty of embezzling and dereliction of duty. Zero. They be puttin’ one over on whitey, and that’s all that matters.

    • Replies: @NYMOM
    Well I don't know about any black family being 'outraged' about embezzling but I saw a mini riot on U-tube the other day when a black defendant only received five years in jail for murdering another black person. The family of the victim was in the courtroom and a brawl broke out as they fought to get a hold of the defendant and enact justice...

    Like they kept yelling five years for murder was no justice...we are going to see more and more of these scenes enacted as these virtue signalers keep letting black defendants get away with more and more violent crime. After all, most of their victims are black.
    , @Flip

    How many stories have we seen regarding the black community being outraged when some corrupt black educrat is found guilty of embezzling and dereliction of duty. Zero. They be puttin’ one over on whitey, and that’s all that matters.
     
    I am sure that plenty of blacks think OJ did it, but they are still ok with him getting off.
  3. When I was visiting western India last December the guide complaining about how the Brits and Portuguese had ruined the Silk Road trade by introducing cheap ocean transportation.

    The Beasts!

    And whatabout the camels?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Where in Western India? Portuguese trade routes ran through parts of Western India, which certainly didn't hurt those parts economically. Was this some kind of brown guilt on your guide's part for ruining Afghanistan?
  4. Kurogane Confronts Kaede; Ran (1985) directed by Akira Kurosawa

    • Replies: @Anon
    Give Kaeda some credit. It was her family castle that she burned down.
  5. Gujarati are known as the jews of india. Definitely seeing the parallels.

    • Replies: @indocon
    More like the lower level variety, the real Jews of India are the Marwaris.
    , @Ragno

    Gujarati are known as the jews of india.
     
    My friend, Indians are the Jews of India. Absent an opportunity to goad Pakistan into french-frying the gungadins (like they're dying to), we should at the very least severely restrict Indian immigration to North America. Perhaps changing the agency's name from ICE to DOT would help send the correct message.
  6. TNC’s “manifest density“.

    LOL

  7. Mr. Sailer:

    It is evident that Mehta hates, hates, hates white people and, as you say, “wish[es] their people to drive before them their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women.”

    What is fueling this hatred? I, sir, submit, that a disgusting Gujju-bania like Mehta, in spite of his wealth, not only lacks the looks, but also lacks the game to “get with” white women. Hence, his rage and frustration, which, alas and alack, can never be extinguished.

    At what point is will we start deporting these sad-sack losers?

    I volunteer to be Minister in Charge of Garbage Removal.

    Thank you for everything, Mr. S.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It is evident that Mehta hates, hates, hates white people and, as you say, “wish[es] their people to drive before them their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women.”

    He hates them so much that he wants to live in white nations. What he really hates is admitting that he prefers whites to his own kind. So, he spews his anti-white tripe to hide his desire to live among whites.

    Also, his emphasis on family and clan ties shows that his National identity is weak. While paying lipservice to Indian history and politics, he feels little in common with most Indians. Rather, his emphasis is my family and clan. Indeed, one reason India is so backward and corrupt is because too many people put family and clan above nation and rule of law. It's like Southern Italy x 1000.

    Diversity can lead to two things: Extreme atomization or extreme clusterization. Among whites, we see atomization, the bowling-alone phenomenon. In a more-or-less homogeneous white nation, whites used to balance individuality with community. But as the community becomes more fractured along diverse lines, whites are turning only to individuality.

    In contrast, cultures with weaker sense of individuality will cope with diversity by bonding more closely with kinfolk. This is true in the Arab world and India. Since diversity makes national unity and adherence to rule of law more difficult, the coping mechanism is to do and seek favors among kinfolk and the clan.
    , @Anonymous Jones
    The Decamping of the Saints. BAMN.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTu3IEGp3DZ-D1pXCOJOg4D1BC5slUm_vpC9j_WzZlMEhWoH1g
    , @Bardon Kaldian

    What is fueling this hatred?
     
    Nah, Sobran said it long time ago.....

    Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.” –Joseph Sobran (Sobran’s — April 1997)
     
  8. Well, this the ENDGAME for the policy wonk skills based Nonwhite Legal Immigrants:The Children of Skilled Nonwhite Legal Immigrants taunting Our People…….What fools you are with your Policy Wonkery………And you thought you were all so clever…..

  9. Well, I don’t think Professor Mehta’s sentiment is rare – it is just that it is rarely expressed.

    The entirety of the Pro-Open Borders movement has this sentiment at its core, they’re just a little (and not much) more coy about it.

    • Agree: Hail
  10. It never occurs to a single immigrant to return their homeland to fix the disfunction they left. Instead they lay claim to the accomplishments of the White Man because their forefathers were dominated by our forefathers. Knowing that the United Kingdom which is the size of Oregon conquered the entire world including Mr. Mehta’s hapless India must be humiliating but not enough to want to fix India itself.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    Well said! What is also disturbing to see is so many 2nd -3rd generation immigrants in this country proudly representing for the country of their ancestors while having little pride in the good, ol’ USA (other than any material benefits they can derive). Kinda like leeches in that regard . . .
  11. I hope they keep going with this line. I want the pro-immigration side to be composed entirely of rich, smug Indians telling them about how they deserve immigration as punishment for bringing peace, unity and railways to India.

  12. I’ll give credit (and permanent residency) to the first Indian who writes, “We come to help our Aryan brethren crush these Brunette People who annoy them”.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Bring it on, Blondie.
  13. Diversity is such an inscrutable mystery that it cannot be examined by human reason. Diversity is both a blessing and a curse, a reward and a punishment. Those who question how this can be have not properly submitted themselves to the incomprehensible majesty of diversity.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "At this point, the Jewish Philosopher was enlightened"
  14. This is why the Civil Rights movement was a disaster.

    Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice. Smart phones alone guarantee that.

    White women increasingly throw in with the new masters.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice. Smart phones alone guarantee that."

    You always seem to know when to bring humor to a serious situation!
    , @Pilgrim786
    Whiskey:

    You're spot-on. Something about whiteness simply does not admit to an equal relationship. Hindus and Arabs and persians and blacks and everyone else can manage to work on some equal footing without losing their mind. But just being around whites seems to drive non-whites crazy.

    Incidentally, I loved your site. You turned me on to "the Blacklist." Are you going to return to your website?

    Cheers.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Whites are very egalitarian amongst themselves, generally. Especially Germanics. UK, Canada, Australia, to a lesser extent USA, all have very low income inequality. There is no real caste or strong class system among whites. (Compared to India/Latin America, Africa etc.) Whites will divide themselves into social groups based on interests, music tastes, career path, etc.

    However with other racial groups, yes, we cannot be equal with them. They see our friendly, egalitarian views with them as weakness.
  15. “Manifest Density!” LOL.
    Excellent article. Indians are some of the most hypocritical people around: crying racism at every real or perceived slight while harboring contempt towards all other ethnic groups.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Isn't that true of all of the Diversities? The only people who people who believe that we are all Americans, equal opportunity, blah, blah, blah, are white gentiles. Members of every other group are tribal who despise everyone else.
  16. Conclusion: Should have gone full Daenerys on their ass when it was possible.

    Parting shot: It still is.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  17. Invade the world, invite the world karma, as one could reasonably state.

    Speaking of Indians (dot, not feathers)…

    Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during British colonial rule.

    1) It was governed by a foreign nation;

    2) It did not bring in immigrants;

    3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army;

    4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
     
    Which works out to fifty cents per head. So send 'em their eight bob and be done with it!

    Would cost the average Brit less than a tenner. A bargain.

    , @El Dato
    Nobody ever complains about the Mongol Invasions.
    , @Pilgrim786
    The underlying nonsensical, inverted and wicked assumption being that the conqueror owes the conquered anything.

    The Conqueror owes the Conquered NOTHING - not even their lives - which is why ancient wars were decisive and final. This new and wicked principle resolves nothing whilst continually inflaming the worst passions.

    So far, this madness persists because of the unprecedented wealth and power of what used to be Christendom. Now, as Christendom is dead, and as the West groans under the weight of its accumulated sins and mistakes, there is going to be a mighty reckoning.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    How has the population of the subcontinent fared since the inception of colonial rule by the British?
    , @nebulafox
    #CorvyLogic: Before the British, much of India was dominated by a conquest dynasty of Turko-Persian extraction. Accordingly, the USA-born in 1776-must atone for that. It's *karma*. Jesus! Mike Cernovich!
    , @Ben tillman
    If those whom the Crown ruled in Britain were vicariously liable for the crimes of their rulers, so were those whom the crown ruled in India.

    That should go without saying.
  18. @Whiskey
    This is why the Civil Rights movement was a disaster.

    Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice. Smart phones alone guarantee that.

    White women increasingly throw in with the new masters.

    “Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice. Smart phones alone guarantee that.”

    You always seem to know when to bring humor to a serious situation!

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Type and go. Smartphones drive third world immigration. Even some one in the Congo can see the gibs.

    So dominate.. make gibs = White dudes bossing Congolese around visibly on social media. Or get dominated by the Congolese. Like that video where the African stops a car in Germany before finding out its occupants are Poles who knock him out.
  19. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    Indeed, a huge bill is coming due to the West. And it is one that the West is not only morally obligated to pay, but one that it should look forward to paying.

    True, Western imperialism was often brutal(as were all forms of imperialism), but it gave as well as took. In the end, one could argue it gave more than it took. Not so much because whites were generous of heart but because they achieved scientific and technological breakthroughs that had a profound impact on the world. Also, values rooted in Greek and Christian tradition did pave the way for humanism and a more universalist theory of justice. The West pretty much ended slavery not only as practice but in principle.

    Eventually, vast growth in wealth in the West did eventually make it more generous as those with full bellies tend to be kinder. This is why even Swedes, a people with no imperialist history outside Europe, believe they must become a ‘humanitarian superpower’.

    “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

    Again, the Brits gave as well as took. They invested heavily in India and also built up cities like Hong Kong and Singapore. If the West had never made contact with India or China, nothing much might have changed there. Though discussion of the darker aspects of British imperialism is valid, it’s babytalk to say the whites just took while noble browns just suffered.
    Also, just as Western imperialism broke the grip of Manchu rule over China, it ‘liberated’ India from Moghul domination. Some scholars believe that, if not for British Imperialism, all of India would eventually have been Islamized. It’s true that Brits used divide-and-rule, but Hinduism made a comeback because the Brits boosted Hinduism against Islam. (Later, when Hindus began to organize for independence, the Brits sided with the Muslims.)

    Also, the great success of the Indian diaspora owes entirely to the world network created by the Europeans, esp Anglos. Would there be so many successful Asian Indian merchants in Africa if not for the world made by Brits? And speaking of racial bigotry, it seems some African nation took down statue of Gandhi because the Mahatma’s view of Africans wasn’t much different from that of Churchill. And Naipaul had no illusions about blacks. Neither did his brother after he visited Africa.

    https://qz.com/africa/1496838/gandhi-statue-pulled-down-by-ghana-university-over-racist-views/

    Who wouldn’t want to let in more Mehtas? They sound like a delightful family, folks who definitely have your best interests at heart.

    Asian Indians seem closer to Jews than to Chinese in personality. While plenty of Chinese in America/Canada have fallen under sway of PC, they aren’t as rude, aggressive, persistent, and pesty as the Indians, master hagglers. (Gypsies came from India, and these global Indians are like fancy Gypsies.) While Chinese in China make a big fuss about 100 yrs of humiliation, they don’t usually come to the white lands and say “let a billion of us in because… uh… the opium trade.” (They also tend to intermarry more and lose their sense of identity soon enough.) The Hindu combination of extreme tribal-centrism and appeals to universal justice(where other must pay for interests of Indians) is similar to Jewish mindset that invokes universal principles to enrich and empower Jews even further. Thankfully, there’s only a limited number of Jews, but there seems to be an infinite number of Hindus, what with India soon to overtake the Chinese population(if it hasn’t already).

    In some ways, it seems like Hindus are acting like Jews in projecting intra-national conflicts onto Others. Indeed, this problem might be more serious among Hindus than among Jews. Jews are divided along ethnicity and ideology, but Jewishness was still about all Jews being part of the Chosen. It wasn’t heavy on class or caste. Both Christianity and communism derived from Jewish disdain for caste/class. Jews were serious about Tribe, and unity among Jews meant class consciousness had to be suppressed(relative to other cultures) to strengthen tribal unity. In contrast, India has been all about caste. Unlike the Jews, who were about a group unified by blood and Covenant, Hindus have been about distinctly separate ethnic groups who came to co-exist under a caste system. Jewishness united Jews together. Hinduism split the various peoples of the subcontinent, and Hinduism came up with an elaborate theory of Karma to justify the various castes. It’s no wonder Islam made such headway into India prior to the British. It wasn’t just due to Muslim violence but the appeal of universal justice for all. Hindu theory of justice takes place over generations because of belief in reincarnation. So, even if you’re innocent in this life, the soul within you might have been bad in the previous life or lives, and so you must be stuck in a lower caste in this life, and only by dutifully fulfilling your duty can you hope to rise to a higher caste in the NEXT life, but not in this life. Caste system seems to have weakened in modern times, but this owes to Western influence. Still, its lingering effects means that India can never be unified like Israel or China. Despite all this talk of India this or India that, many Indians are still divided along ethnic, cultural, and spiritual lines, and this had led to much bad blood among Indians who spend an inordinate time bickering and insulting one another. But as all Indians have been toughened this way, it’s difficult for Hindus to push around other Hindus. They all know that the other guy is trying to hoodwink or out-hustle the other guy. Hindus are not easy prey to other Hindus… just like Jews have a hard time fooling other Jews and blacks have a hard time out-jiving other blacks since they know what the game is about. So, they naturally look for easier prey, the suckers, and they found them among whites who’ve been softened by too much wealth and comfort and whose brains have been turned into mush by PC.
    In a way, Hindu Glue works rather like KKKrazy Glue. Because Hindus are so divided among themselves, the only way to unify the people is by turning their ire on the common enemy. Latin America, whose history resembles Aryan-invasion-of-India, operates much the same. Diverse and very divided, unity is sought by railing against Big Bad Yanqui Gringo, thus creating the impression that Conquistadoreans and Indigenos are one and the same people as the oppressed of Big Bad Americanos.

    Anglo-Whites are regarded as easy punching bags. They weren’t in the past when they had confidence and the will to conquer other peoples and places. But whites have grown weak of will and pride. Just like the Chinese believe the Jews really control the West, Hindus also smell blood. They sense Jews rule the US, and whites take order from Jews. Jews pushed ‘nation of immigrants’ proposition, and Hindus figure they have most to gain from this if they play it right. Unlike East Asia that is cratering in population, India still has growth. Also, Indians know English pretty well. And they have a vast diaspora network from Africa to Europe to Middle East to Canada to America.
    These Hindu elites are trying to cover up their status striving with PC talk. If they really cared about their own people, they would build better schools and more toilets in India. But Hindu elites don’t want to deal with the stinking masses of India. They want to rub shoulders with fancy whites. But the shame of harboring such attitude. So, they pretend it’s about ‘justice’ and combating ‘white racism’ when, if anything, they are most eager to hang with fancy whites than with stinking masses of India. Hindus also prefer to do business with whites because even rich Hindus are far more difficult, more corrupt, and more unscrupulous. Whites are more trustworthy than Hindus, even the educated and fancy ones. But admitting as much would give the game away, so they pretend it’s about unity of people of color against whites.

    I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now.

    When Hindus claimed India as their homeland and told the British to leave, it made sense. It was their territory. But Indians claiming the US(and presumably Canada and Australia) makes no sense. Perhaps, one could argue that all nations created by British Imperialism share in the guilt as they became rich by global trade under British naval and financial domination. But that sounds like a stretch. Using such logic, since Indians collaborated with the British in the subjugation of Africa, black Africans have a right to barge into India and take stuff.
    Anyway, Mehta’s manifesto sounds so vulgar. Sure, Jews were also claiming the US for their uncles and cousins, but they were still careful enough to employ more universalist line of argument. In contrast, Mehta sounds like some cheap Gypsy thief trying to smuggle in his own clan to pickpocket the entire community.

    Another thing. Hindus are trying to have it both ways. Now, IF the British Empire was still going strong and IF Hindus accepted British colonies in India, one could see the validity of Hindus arguing that they should settle in UK and Anglo colonies too. Fair is fair. Brits in India, Hindus in Britain. But Hindus decided the Brits must go, and the Brits did go. The empire ended. But now, the Hindus are cooking up bogus excuses to colonize Anglo-nations? Hindus, like Jews, lack self-awareness or at least appear to for rhetorical reasons.

    But much of the blame must fall on whites for surrendering to Jews who pushed the Nation of Immigrants madness and Diversity Cult. Once white nations from US to Canada to UK to France to Sweden and etc accepted such as the New Template for the West, how can they say NO to shameless huckster lowlifes like Mehta?
    Mehta-Politics was bound to be inevitable, the art of putting forth universal arguments to conceal and carry what are essentially tribal interests. This is just a variation of Jewish hypocrisy on a larger scale. Jews say all the world must respect Israel as a Jewish state but denounce nations like Hungary for wanting to survive. When such loathsome form of hypocrisy is allowed to define American opinions and global politics, why wouldn’t savvy and cunning Hindus not follow suit?

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar

    Most historians believe India exists as a nation only because of the British. The whole area was far more fractured and divided before the British molded it into a political unity. Mehta’s line of reasoning is most curious. So, when the Aryans invaded, they were just part of One India. When the Moghuls invaded, they too were part of One India. This is like someone in Latin America saying Conquistadors and the natives were just ONE people before the Yanqui imperialists came.

    But does anybody get the joke? In The New York Times, for instance, Lauren Markham gave This Land Is Our Land a rave review.

    Wokesters or Jokesters, who can tell at this point?

    Ironically, a Smithsonian publication, Folklife, just published a passionate denunciation of Guthrie’s song by a different kind of Indian, Mali Obomsawin, who uses similarly woke clichés to instead “interrogate,” usefully, the pernicious “nation of immigrants” chestnut:

    Good point, and whites should side with American Indians because the latter has no chance of taking power. But their narrative can serve as rhetorical weapon against immigration. Immigration can easily be associated with imperialism and genocide. Whether the New World or Palestine, mass arrival of new peoples led to the Great Replacement. And contrary to current PC, Hitler and Nazis were totally pro-immigrationist. Hitler admired Anglo conquest of America and Westward expansion. He loved Manifest Destiny and the novels of Karl May. He also admired British imperialist expansion around the world. And in his invasion of Russia, he was planning one of the greatest immigrationist waves in human history. Replace Slavs with millions of Germans. German caravans of farmers were readying to take land from Russkies, just like Zionist caravans are taking over all of West Bank. Hitler was singing “Das Landen ist mein landen” to the Russkies.

    The New World and Australia were created by whites invading and taking land from indigenous peoples. So, when masses of non-whites also arrive in those areas, they are taking part in white imperialism. Even if they demographically overtake whites(who lose power and pride), it would hardly be a form of historical justice because the indigenous people would still have lost their homelands to foreigners. Whether Hawaiians lose their lands to whites or Asians, what does it matter? They lost their land to foreigners.

    This is why the only justice for Americas and Australia is for whites to admit the dark side of immigration — that it led to demise of native populations — and therefore end all immigration and make efforts to revive certain aspects of native culture. Mehta is right that whites owe something to others in the US, but he is wrong that white Americans owe anything to his ilk. As America was taken from American Indians, whites should make an effort to redress that aspect of history. What’s really dirty about people like Mehta is they try to claim and hog the rewards that should go to another people.

  20. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    “Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews.”

    This is only and only because the white establishment allows it. Asians will be mostly acquiesce to the existing power structure, if tomorrow whitey establishment puts itself back again in the power structure, in a heartbeat you will see the next versions of Suketu Mehta praising Thomas Jefferson.

    • Agree: Kylie, peterike
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    There is no “ white establishment”.
    , @Anonymous

    This is only and only because the white establishment allows it. Asians will be mostly acquiesce to the existing power structure, if tomorrow whitey establishment puts itself back again in the power structure, in a heartbeat you will see the next versions of Suketu Mehta praising Thomas Jefferson.
     
    I wonder if Mehta is really pissed with whites because they side with Jews against Hindus. On Wall Street and South Africa, whites sided with Jews against Hindu competitors.
  21. @BigDickNick
    Gujarati are known as the jews of india. Definitely seeing the parallels.

    More like the lower level variety, the real Jews of India are the Marwaris.

  22. @Whiskey
    This is why the Civil Rights movement was a disaster.

    Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice. Smart phones alone guarantee that.

    White women increasingly throw in with the new masters.

    Whiskey:

    You’re spot-on. Something about whiteness simply does not admit to an equal relationship. Hindus and Arabs and persians and blacks and everyone else can manage to work on some equal footing without losing their mind. But just being around whites seems to drive non-whites crazy.

    Incidentally, I loved your site. You turned me on to “the Blacklist.” Are you going to return to your website?

    Cheers.

  23. • Replies: @Anonymous
    Interesting thing. I never felt nauseous when eating. I could imagine anything, watch anything, or listen to anything. No matter how gross, it didn't ruin my appetite.

    But after seeing a bunch of images of India, I had difficult time eating for about a year whenever I recalled those images. I felt sick.

    India is like a massive freakshow.
    , @95Theses
    I scrolled down to about four photos and had enough. One really ought to have done it.

    Talk about removing the speck from the eye of the object of one's indignation while there's a beam in your own.

    Mehta is a modern day pharisee.
  24. Jesus these Indians… what a bum. Always asking for reparations and being all upset that the British raided their jewels and caused the Bengal famine. Wimps. Why can’t they shut up and toil toward becoming doctors, lawyers or engineers. If they were actually working their tails off to eventually become over-represented in some of the top schools, colleges, zip codes and high-paying professions, white folks wouldn’t have anything to complain about. Kick those bums back to where they came from. They’re not the *real* native Americans.

    • Replies: @Sean
    India's Top Physicists Develop Plan To Get The Hell Out Of India

    If there are Indians in India who are owed by the West it is the poor ones, not ones from a hereditary rich cast bailing out on their own country for reasons that are 100% selfish. And you are right they are not Amerindians, and have no ancestral claim on the USA for wrongs done to their ancestors.

    The wealthy people like importing immigrants, and you know the wealthy people in Britain were the one who benefited from the Empire as Adam Smith pointed out the lower orders of British society got comparatively little out of Empire. But they get stymied from moving up in the world by the endless flow of elite Indians (and Chinese), which hardly affects the prospects of the indigenous rich in the West at all. Globalisation and immigration is domestic class war. There is only one problem with the common people; there are many of them. Inequality leads to class war leads and activation of the nation state for international war. And war is the great leveler.
    , @ConfirmationBias
    Snark aside. I can’t really resonate with Mehta. Yes sure @ British atrocities. But india as a nation has been invaded countless times. How far back do you go? Is it even a worthwhile exercise?

    I miss the fiercely pragmatic Indians. Hardworking, enterprising, and clannish AF. But they understand that’s how the world works and as a species it’s hardcoded In us to be clannish.

    Moving away from a societal perspective, at a deeply individual and psychological level.. it certainly can’t be good to go thru life harboring resentful and hatred for successful people.

    , @ThreeCranes

    "being all upset that the British raided their jewels"
     

    “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”
     
    Always this mistake in believing that wealth resides in some thing, in this case a shiny stone, and not in a process. Which is precisely why they were in an inferior position then, remain so today and shall be for the foreseeable future. Fetishism and idolatry, the earmarks of a primitive people.
    , @Ben tillman
    “The British” never did jack shit to the Indians or anyone else.
  25. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pilgrim786
    Mr. Sailer:

    It is evident that Mehta hates, hates, hates white people and, as you say, "wish[es] their people to drive before them their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women."

    What is fueling this hatred? I, sir, submit, that a disgusting Gujju-bania like Mehta, in spite of his wealth, not only lacks the looks, but also lacks the game to "get with" white women. Hence, his rage and frustration, which, alas and alack, can never be extinguished.

    At what point is will we start deporting these sad-sack losers?

    I volunteer to be Minister in Charge of Garbage Removal.

    Thank you for everything, Mr. S.

    It is evident that Mehta hates, hates, hates white people and, as you say, “wish[es] their people to drive before them their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women.”

    He hates them so much that he wants to live in white nations. What he really hates is admitting that he prefers whites to his own kind. So, he spews his anti-white tripe to hide his desire to live among whites.

    Also, his emphasis on family and clan ties shows that his National identity is weak. While paying lipservice to Indian history and politics, he feels little in common with most Indians. Rather, his emphasis is my family and clan. Indeed, one reason India is so backward and corrupt is because too many people put family and clan above nation and rule of law. It’s like Southern Italy x 1000.

    Diversity can lead to two things: Extreme atomization or extreme clusterization. Among whites, we see atomization, the bowling-alone phenomenon. In a more-or-less homogeneous white nation, whites used to balance individuality with community. But as the community becomes more fractured along diverse lines, whites are turning only to individuality.

    In contrast, cultures with weaker sense of individuality will cope with diversity by bonding more closely with kinfolk. This is true in the Arab world and India. Since diversity makes national unity and adherence to rule of law more difficult, the coping mechanism is to do and seek favors among kinfolk and the clan.

  26. @Pilgrim786
    Mr. Sailer:

    It is evident that Mehta hates, hates, hates white people and, as you say, "wish[es] their people to drive before them their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women."

    What is fueling this hatred? I, sir, submit, that a disgusting Gujju-bania like Mehta, in spite of his wealth, not only lacks the looks, but also lacks the game to "get with" white women. Hence, his rage and frustration, which, alas and alack, can never be extinguished.

    At what point is will we start deporting these sad-sack losers?

    I volunteer to be Minister in Charge of Garbage Removal.

    Thank you for everything, Mr. S.
  27. “Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…”

    Prior to the Mughals (invaders originating in Central Asia), no state ruled more than 50% of the subcontinent! It’s amazing that such an ahistorical claim made it into print!

    I wonder: how much of Indian race trolling is due to bitterness of successive conquests going back to the Vedic Aryans, and how much is due to the low SMV of Indians that don’t resemble Bollywood actors?

  28. MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – Earlier this month, an Uber driver was heading back to Stillwater shortly after bar close when he thought he saw a dead animal in the road near the Mississippi River.

    But as he got closer, he realized he was wrong. It was a woman lying in a pool of blood. She screamed that she’d been shot.

    Court documents filed in Washington County say that the driver wrapped the woman in a blanket, put her into the back of his car and drove until he got enough signal to call 911.

    After being hospitalized for days, the woman, who is 39 and from St. Paul, told investigators what happened to her.

    She said that he’d been abducted on June 8 by 32-year-old Angel Sardina-Padilla (aka Diablo) and 25-year-old Luis Mendoza, both of whom she described as members of the Surenos 13 gang.

    Sardina-Padilla and Mendoza are both charged with aiding and abetting kidnapping and attempted murder, court documents show.

    Mendoza is in custody while Sardina-Padilla remains on the loose. However, a warrant is out for his arrest.

    According to a criminal complaint, Sardina-Padilla and Mendoza kidnapped the woman from her home after demanding the payment for a gun. After threatening to make her hold a metal tool they’d made scalding-hot over an open flame, the men put her in a car and drove around the Twin Cities for hours.

    Eventually, Sardina-Padilla got out of the car. In an interview with police, Mendoza said that the older man commanded him to shoot and kill the woman and gave him a gun to do so.

    The woman told police that Mendoza, who was clearly following Sardina-Padilla’s lead throughout the abduction, drove her around the metro for several more hours. She added that she fell asleep in the car because her captors had forced her to take a pill which made her drowsy.

    When she woke up on the early morning hours of June 9, it was pitch black out and Mendoza commanded her to get out of the car. She did as she was told, and Mendoza pointed the gun at her and fired three shots.

    Only one bullet found her body, hitting her right chest and exiting through her back. Mendoza immediately got in his car and sped off. He was arrested a week later.

    When speaking with police, Mendoza told investigators that he drove the woman to the Stillwater area and shot her, the complaint states. He said that he feared he’d be shot himself if he didn’t follow the command to kill her.

    If convicted of the charges, Sardina-Padilla faces life in prison and Mendoza faces several decades behind bars.

    https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/06/18/charges-uber-driver-finds-shooting-victim-in-road-near-stillwater/

    🙂

  29. @MEH 0910
    Kurogane Confronts Kaede; Ran (1985) directed by Akira Kurosawa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsPqJOKmiQ

    Give Kaeda some credit. It was her family castle that she burned down.

  30. @Russell Upvittles
    Mehta's grumblings are hilarious!

    Do you realize how badly our peoples have been oppressed by evil whites?! Our family could only afford 17 indentured servants!!!

    So the next question is: When are American blacks going to wake up and realize these outsiders are muscling their way in on the big racial grievance scam? Probably not until after it's way too late. (Logic, numeracy -- not their strong suits.)

    How many stories have we seen regarding the black community being outraged when some corrupt black educrat is found guilty of embezzling and dereliction of duty. Zero. They be puttin' one over on whitey, and that's all that matters.

    Well I don’t know about any black family being ‘outraged’ about embezzling but I saw a mini riot on U-tube the other day when a black defendant only received five years in jail for murdering another black person. The family of the victim was in the courtroom and a brawl broke out as they fought to get a hold of the defendant and enact justice…

    Like they kept yelling five years for murder was no justice…we are going to see more and more of these scenes enacted as these virtue signalers keep letting black defendants get away with more and more violent crime. After all, most of their victims are black.

    • Replies: @Currahee
    I take it that you are expecting blacks, at some point, to become self aware.
    Tick, tick, tick......
  31. Plan 9 From the Subcontinent
    Starring the Mehtas and Guptas
    And a caste of millions!

  32. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    In the mostly enjoyable Bride & Prejudice,—a Bollywood adaptation of Pride & Prejudice—the lead male is a white American (Mr. Darcy), while the lead female is an Indian national. Most of the movie is set in India.

    I say mostly enjoyable because, at one point out of the blue, the Elizabeth Bennett-Indian chick gets all uppity at the American-Mr. Darcy about British occupation having hurt India. When a rightly confused American-Mr. Darcy rightly utters in protest, “But I’m not British. I’m American!” sassy Ms.Bennett-Indian shoots back “Exactly.” and the scene ends.

    The impression you get from the way the scene ends is that her “comeback” was awesome (I’m sure Indians cheered) , but it still makes no sense. Now do I realize the dot-heads hold a huge grudge against the entire white race for colonialism—or, more precisely, think whites usurped the Indian race’s position on top—–, and this was a warning shot that if they ever got power over whites, they would exact a racial attack cloaked as revenge.

    Suketu Mehta is part of that racial hatred.

    Anyway, here’s the movie’s trailer….however, the line isn’t in it, as far as I could see:

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    I can't figure out if the comeback is supposed to be brown logic or chick logic...maybe a bit of both?
  33. Man, NYU’s school of journalism is really, ahem, not covering itself in glory lately, eh?

    First they hire the lying New Yorker fact checker who tried to lie and claim ICE agents had Nazi tattoos.

    Now their professor Suketu Mehta is revealing that when his people get power over whites, it’s going to be pure punishment.

    End tax breaks for universities, now.

  34. Some of my notes:

    – The Native Indians, the Amerindians are now the old Indians
    – The South Asians, the Desis are now the new Indians
    – The native Whites, the European-Americans apparently deserve to be driven off their land now.
    – That makes them the new Indians too.

    It’s all very confusing.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    I'm only confused if we should be calling group #2 dot or 7-11 Indians.
  35. “Indeed, a huge bill is coming due to the West. And it is one that the West is not only morally obligated to pay, but one that it should look forward to paying.”

    Don’t worry pal, the bill is going to be paid in full one way or another. I’m looking forward to making the payment in $5.56 installments.

  36. Good to see Steve coming around to realization of what motivates the other side: They hate us and want our people destroyed. It’s that simple. It’s always been that simple. Their end goal is a world without whites because they hate us.

    Would such a world be good for non-whites? Do whites really deserve to eliminated? These questions are irrelevant. They hate us and want us dead. That’s all you need to know.

    Personally, I find it refreshing that non-whites for a variety of reasons are becoming more and more honest. Maybe it’ll wake up a few “I don’t see color” or “We can reason with these guys” whites.

  37. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a silver lining to Mehta-Politics.

    Whites can appreciate Hindus as model minority but not a bunch of a-holes.

    Jews can get away with a-hole-ism because Holocaust has become such a mass cult in the West. Also, Jews are admired for their wit and talent in various fields.

    Blacks can get away with a-hole-ism because Slavery undergirds much of white guilt. Also, blacks are admired for sports and rap.

    In contrast, whites find nothing special about Hindus. So, when a bunch of nasty Hindus bitch and whine endlessly, whites are more likely to stand up and say SHUT UP.

    • Replies: @Pilgrim786
    Spot on.

    Succinct and incisive. I tip my hat.

    Hindus are only tolerable by whites as quiet and apolitical clerks who stick to their own after five o'clock.

    They are not attractive, inteeligent, interesting, or entertaining enough to fuck with whitey in this disgusting triumphalist fashion.

    Can't wait to take out the trash
  38. @Pilgrim786
    Mr. Sailer:

    It is evident that Mehta hates, hates, hates white people and, as you say, "wish[es] their people to drive before them their enemies and hear the lamentations of their women."

    What is fueling this hatred? I, sir, submit, that a disgusting Gujju-bania like Mehta, in spite of his wealth, not only lacks the looks, but also lacks the game to "get with" white women. Hence, his rage and frustration, which, alas and alack, can never be extinguished.

    At what point is will we start deporting these sad-sack losers?

    I volunteer to be Minister in Charge of Garbage Removal.

    Thank you for everything, Mr. S.

    What is fueling this hatred?

    Nah, Sobran said it long time ago…..

    Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. And, superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.” –Joseph Sobran (Sobran’s — April 1997)

  39. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Jews are more talented than Indians, but Indians won’t become the Jews’ mandarin class. Jews were spoiled by gentile whites, especially over the past 50 to 100 years. Jews were able to be both white and Jewish. Indians won’t let them get away with that. To an Indian, a Jew is a Jew, and Indians will never forget that a Jew isn’t an Indian.

    Indians will cut Jews out of loop the second that they can. They will do business with other Indians and openly tell Jews that they aren’t welcome because they are Jewish. Jews are very talented, but if someone won’t let you play, it doesn’t matter how good you are.

    Indians and Chinese immigrants are not “Good for the Jews.”

  40. “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.”

    Per this logic, the US was never there (in India), so exactly what are they doing here?

  41. Like they kept yelling five years for murder was no justice…we are going to see more and more of these scenes enacted as these virtue signalers keep letting black defendants get away with more and more violent crime. After all, most of their victims are black.

    Well, I don’t know any of the details of this case, but the legal issue would be whether the sentence was disproportionately light compared to similar cases in the same jurisdiction.

    Five years for first degree premeditated murder would be very light in my state (Florida), even for a youthful offender.

    A death that occurred in inter-gang feuding would get a different sentence from a kidnapping-rape-murder of a child, which would be in line for the death penalty in some states.

    https://patch.com/illinois/lakeforest/52-year-sentence-man-convicted-murder-over-argument-bar

  42. Calcutta-born

    Ooh! You used the colonial spelling. You owe reparations just for that.

    NYU journalism professor

    Wasn’t this profession more trustworthy when they were “reporters” with mere high-school diplomas?

    Suketu Mehta

    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives…

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Calcutta-born

    Ooh! You used the colonial spelling. You owe reparations just for that.
     
    Yeah they spell it "Golgotha" now, don't they? I hear it's a lovely place.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives…
     
    Who can solve the riddle?

    As I was going to St. Ives,
    I met a man with seven wives,
    Each wife had seven sacks,
    Each sack had seven cats,
    Each cat had seven kits:
    Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
    How many were there going to St. Ives?
    , @the one they call Desanex
    Suketu Mehta is an exact homophone of suck a tomato.
    , @White Guy In Japan
    He is Mehta-talking at us whites.
  43. I believe it’s often the case that one stupidity can only be defeated by an even greater stupidity. Hubris is a form of stupidity. White, liberal-progressive hubris (centrism) is like a giant logjam of stupidity blocking our way forward. We can’t dislodge this blockage on our own but we could eventually break it up if we keep directing big examples of other people’s stupidity at it. Suketu Mehta’s book is like a giant, old growth, pine timber of hubris rocketing down the river. The rest of us need to make sure his hubris smashes into the consciousness of Whites still entangled in 20th century hubris.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    I just watched a video by Morgoth that makes an argument complimentary to the one I made here but he uses a different metaphor. I like the image of John Cleese in Plato's cave:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWvlW_O1IEk
  44. Antiwestern sentiment have always existed among non westerners, but those living actually in the West used to try to hide it somehow. They are more cocky now, because of multiculturalism’s past victories they may feel their final victory is coming, but if they are smart they should realize this sort of talk is guaranteed to bring a backlash sooner than later.

  45. Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…

    What happened prior to the British takeover of India? Oh yea, the muslim conquest of India. Though this wikipedia page has since been revamped, it listed the muslim conquest of India as being responsible for 40 to 80 million deaths. The footnote to that estimate reads thusly:

    “historian Koenraad Elst estimates that between the year 1000 and 1525, eighty million Hindus died at the hands of Muslim invaders, probably the biggest holocaust in the whole history of our planet.”

    The link to that footnote, which is 10 years old, is dead. So I don’t know if this historian was for real, or was smoking crack. Does anyone with better knowledge of India have any input on how true his estimate was?

    • Replies: @Flip

    What happened prior to the British takeover of India? Oh yea, the muslim conquest of India. Though this wikipedia page has since been revamped, it listed the muslim conquest of India as being responsible for 40 to 80 million deaths.
     
    Not to mention the Aryan conquest of the Dravidians.
    , @Bardon Kaldian

    The link to that footnote, which is 10 years old, is dead. So I don’t know if this historian was for real, or was smoking crack. Does anyone with better knowledge of India have any input on how true his estimate was?
     
    I know this figure & source. It is completely unreliable (not that Muslims were nice people).

    Basically, these old sources are inflated. Even those cultures which kept records (China, Islamic world) are unreliable; India is, with regard to any chronology, a culture of myth.

    For instance, we can only speculate on the chronology of Yoga texts or Upanishads (let alone Vedas).
    In "Mahabharata", I think I remember correctly, 1.6 billion people are killed in the central battle.

    Even other, more reliable cultures tend to vastly exaggerate. As I recall, Iranian sources give impossible figures for early 13th C Mongol invasion: number of victims in Herat, Nishapur, Merv ... is, according to them, in each case way over 1 million. When you try to sum all victims of Mongol expansion, from China & Korea to Russia, Islamic world & Europe, the figure oscillates between 45 million & 120 million.

    Unreliable.
    , @Logan
    Here's some pretty extensive commentary.

    https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history

    80 to 100M is not unreasonable, but it should be noted that this was over a period of centuries.

    It is un-PC to bring all this up today, but revisionist history is forced to claim that contemporary Muslim accounts boasting of the immense number of pagans they killed were untrue.
  46. @Reg Cæsar

    Calcutta-born
     
    Ooh! You used the colonial spelling. You owe reparations just for that.

    NYU journalism professor
     
    Wasn't this profession more trustworthy when they were "reporters" with mere high-school diplomas?

    Suketu Mehta
     
    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives...

    Calcutta-born

    Ooh! You used the colonial spelling. You owe reparations just for that.

    Yeah they spell it “Golgotha” now, don’t they? I hear it’s a lovely place.

  47. @Russell Upvittles
    Mehta's grumblings are hilarious!

    Do you realize how badly our peoples have been oppressed by evil whites?! Our family could only afford 17 indentured servants!!!

    So the next question is: When are American blacks going to wake up and realize these outsiders are muscling their way in on the big racial grievance scam? Probably not until after it's way too late. (Logic, numeracy -- not their strong suits.)

    How many stories have we seen regarding the black community being outraged when some corrupt black educrat is found guilty of embezzling and dereliction of duty. Zero. They be puttin' one over on whitey, and that's all that matters.

    How many stories have we seen regarding the black community being outraged when some corrupt black educrat is found guilty of embezzling and dereliction of duty. Zero. They be puttin’ one over on whitey, and that’s all that matters.

    I am sure that plenty of blacks think OJ did it, but they are still ok with him getting off.

  48. @Reg Cæsar

    Calcutta-born
     
    Ooh! You used the colonial spelling. You owe reparations just for that.

    NYU journalism professor
     
    Wasn't this profession more trustworthy when they were "reporters" with mere high-school diplomas?

    Suketu Mehta
     
    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives...

    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives…

    Who can solve the riddle?

    As I was going to St. Ives,
    I met a man with seven wives,
    Each wife had seven sacks,
    Each sack had seven cats,
    Each cat had seven kits:
    Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
    How many were there going to St. Ives?

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Too easy.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    29
  49. “We are here because you were there.”

    I’m not saying Mehta is making this anecdote up, but probably 20 years ago I was watching a C-Span BookTV profile of the Mexican writer Carlos Fuentes and the subject of (what else?) Colonialism comes up and Fuentes was recalling a time when he was in Paris hanging out with Gabriel Garcia-Marquez and they observed a protest by African immigrants and he laughed approvingly as he recalled a sign that read: “We are here, because you were there”.

  50. @Corvinus
    Invade the world, invite the world karma, as one could reasonably state.

    Speaking of Indians (dot, not feathers)...

    Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during British colonial rule.

    1) It was governed by a foreign nation;

    2) It did not bring in immigrants;

    3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army;

    4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Which works out to fifty cents per head. So send ’em their eight bob and be done with it!

    Would cost the average Brit less than a tenner. A bargain.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Logan
    I suspect he actually spoke of hundreds of millions of pounds. :)

    Also, that would be hundreds of millions of pounds 150 years ago, when that was a lot more money.

    And don't forget compound interest since.
    , @Pericles

    Which works out to fifty cents per head. So send ’em their eight bob and be done with it!

     

    How about giving the aggressive wog beggar a swift kick and a curse instead?

    I mean, all these various brown and black people are trying to run their spiel on us. Don't fall for it.
  51. @istevefan

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…
     
    What happened prior to the British takeover of India? Oh yea, the muslim conquest of India. Though this wikipedia page has since been revamped, it listed the muslim conquest of India as being responsible for 40 to 80 million deaths. The footnote to that estimate reads thusly:

    "historian Koenraad Elst estimates that between the year 1000 and 1525, eighty million Hindus died at the hands of Muslim invaders, probably the biggest holocaust in the whole history of our planet."
     
    The link to that footnote, which is 10 years old, is dead. So I don't know if this historian was for real, or was smoking crack. Does anyone with better knowledge of India have any input on how true his estimate was?

    What happened prior to the British takeover of India? Oh yea, the muslim conquest of India. Though this wikipedia page has since been revamped, it listed the muslim conquest of India as being responsible for 40 to 80 million deaths.

    Not to mention the Aryan conquest of the Dravidians.

  52. Way back when: University of Wisconsin, 1966.

    An Indian female exchange student had the effrontery to harangue an SDS gathered crowd on the horrors of American violence. (The Jews who ran the local SDS were obviously quite delighted to have her).

    A friend of mine asked her which estimate of Indians killed during the Partition she agreed with:

    the low of 500,000 or the higher ranges of up toward 2 million.

    She affected not to know what he was talking about and the crowded helpfully jeered.

  53. @Jonathan Mason

    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives…
     
    Who can solve the riddle?

    As I was going to St. Ives,
    I met a man with seven wives,
    Each wife had seven sacks,
    Each sack had seven cats,
    Each cat had seven kits:
    Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
    How many were there going to St. Ives?

    Too easy.

  54. @Jonathan Mason

    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives…
     
    Who can solve the riddle?

    As I was going to St. Ives,
    I met a man with seven wives,
    Each wife had seven sacks,
    Each sack had seven cats,
    Each cat had seven kits:
    Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
    How many were there going to St. Ives?

    29

  55. @ConfirmationBias
    Jesus these Indians... what a bum. Always asking for reparations and being all upset that the British raided their jewels and caused the Bengal famine. Wimps. Why can’t they shut up and toil toward becoming doctors, lawyers or engineers. If they were actually working their tails off to eventually become over-represented in some of the top schools, colleges, zip codes and high-paying professions, white folks wouldn’t have anything to complain about. Kick those bums back to where they came from. They’re not the *real* native Americans.

    India’s Top Physicists Develop Plan To Get The Hell Out Of India

    If there are Indians in India who are owed by the West it is the poor ones, not ones from a hereditary rich cast bailing out on their own country for reasons that are 100% selfish. And you are right they are not Amerindians, and have no ancestral claim on the USA for wrongs done to their ancestors.

    The wealthy people like importing immigrants, and you know the wealthy people in Britain were the one who benefited from the Empire as Adam Smith pointed out the lower orders of British society got comparatively little out of Empire. But they get stymied from moving up in the world by the endless flow of elite Indians (and Chinese), which hardly affects the prospects of the indigenous rich in the West at all. Globalisation and immigration is domestic class war. There is only one problem with the common people; there are many of them. Inequality leads to class war leads and activation of the nation state for international war. And war is the great leveler.

  56. I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now..

    Once again I will bring up a question others have asked on this blog before. If Whites stole this land from the “natives” how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? I would like to hear a response to this prick’s claim by a real Indian, (casino not call center), on why their stolen land now belongs to the whole world.

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

    First, the liberation guys never told us they wanted access to our lands. We were told to get out of their countries, period. So telling us we have to let you in because of the past is like one side adding to a contract after it has been signed. It’s not legit.

    Second, if it is just a matter of finances, then why do you have to come to our countries? Wouldn’t it suffice if we supplied some sort of tribute to your countries like we do to Israel? By stating you are coming to collect, you are admitting that we could just make it easier on you if we just direct-deposited some funds in your Indian bank account. And that would save you the expense of coming over here to collect.

    Third, look at the phrase were he writes, “We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there”, as justification for his presence. Yet WE were never THERE. We who are currently alive were not involved in your subjugation. So we are innocent of living on someone else’s land. Yet you by your physical presence admit to being guilty of living on someone else’s land.

    But for the West to surrender to racist bullying by the likes of Mehta and therefore increase immigration would instead send a truly disastrous signal: that the rest of the world doesn’t need to solve their overpopulation problems because they can offload their surplus citizens on the white saps.

    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he’d lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete [....] But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    I think it's because these fast-tracked Vibrants, like Obama, have very rarely been around any kind of Whites other than those with a Lady Bountiful mentality. That kind of White just smiles indulgently when their pet says something naughty.
    , @Kent Nationalist

    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he’d lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

     

    You underestimate Indians; they (at least hte ones who live in Western countries) are perhaps one of the most openly arrogant groups of people on Earth
    , @Anon7
    His confidence is justified, based on all the people I know.
    , @Corn
    “If Whites stole this land from the “natives” how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? ”

    This Lefty logic always amuses me: the United States was stolen, so that means it belongs to everyone.

    Oooooookay.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he’d lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.
     
    The non-whites often believe their own lies. I have immigrant friends in Toronto who apparently really believe that all whites love them, that diversity is their strength, and that there is no hatred towards them. It is "theirs" because nobody opposes them and in fact welcomes them in! All they hear is the mainstream media lies. A complete echo chamber.

    I never tell them that there's millions of pissed off people in wait. They'll (hopefully) figure that out for themselves one day.

    But I can tell you this: if and when this system ever collapses, these people are in for a massive shock, because they are in a bubble and have no idea that this is how many white people think.
  57. Isn’t a better term:

    Immigration as Invasion

  58. @Reg Cæsar

    Calcutta-born
     
    Ooh! You used the colonial spelling. You owe reparations just for that.

    NYU journalism professor
     
    Wasn't this profession more trustworthy when they were "reporters" with mere high-school diplomas?

    Suketu Mehta
     
    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives...

    Suketu Mehta is an exact homophone of suck a tomato.

  59. Anyway, as hateful as this guy is, I applaud him for not shying away from following its argument to its ultimate logical conclusion when he argues that the US has room to acomodateon its soil all 7 billion people on the planet

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    Anyway, as hateful as this guy is, I applaud him for not shying away from following its argument to its ultimate logical conclusion when he argues that the US has room to acomodateon its soil all 7 billion people on the planet

    Absolutely, because this is precisely what the Cucks believe. Oh, I pray for an awakening that white America will realize that it has been the Cucks all along who are our biggest problem. We have put our confidence in the Cucks, but it is near impossible to battle leftism when we are being stabbed in the back by the Cucks. Well, 2020 may be the watershed year. I do believe that Trump will lose the election and the realization may set in that America will never see a Republican President again, ever. The woke white may finally be disabused of the notion that the Republicans were ever good for anything and may walk away from them en masse. With no immediate political base for the white, things will be nasty going forward, but rage and energy will center on some movement, and at least there will be a fight.
  60. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    • Replies: @Pilgrim786
    Irshad, ustad, irshad! 👍👍👍👌👌👌👋👋👋
  61. @istevefan

    I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now..
     
    Once again I will bring up a question others have asked on this blog before. If Whites stole this land from the "natives" how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? I would like to hear a response to this prick's claim by a real Indian, (casino not call center), on why their stolen land now belongs to the whole world.

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

     

    First, the liberation guys never told us they wanted access to our lands. We were told to get out of their countries, period. So telling us we have to let you in because of the past is like one side adding to a contract after it has been signed. It's not legit.

    Second, if it is just a matter of finances, then why do you have to come to our countries? Wouldn't it suffice if we supplied some sort of tribute to your countries like we do to Israel? By stating you are coming to collect, you are admitting that we could just make it easier on you if we just direct-deposited some funds in your Indian bank account. And that would save you the expense of coming over here to collect.

    Third, look at the phrase were he writes, "We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there", as justification for his presence. Yet WE were never THERE. We who are currently alive were not involved in your subjugation. So we are innocent of living on someone else's land. Yet you by your physical presence admit to being guilty of living on someone else's land.

    But for the West to surrender to racist bullying by the likes of Mehta and therefore increase immigration would instead send a truly disastrous signal: that the rest of the world doesn’t need to solve their overpopulation problems because they can offload their surplus citizens on the white saps.
     
    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he'd lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete [….] But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    I think it’s because these fast-tracked Vibrants, like Obama, have very rarely been around any kind of Whites other than those with a Lady Bountiful mentality. That kind of White just smiles indulgently when their pet says something naughty.

  62. @Corvinus
    Invade the world, invite the world karma, as one could reasonably state.

    Speaking of Indians (dot, not feathers)...

    Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during British colonial rule.

    1) It was governed by a foreign nation;

    2) It did not bring in immigrants;

    3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army;

    4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    Nobody ever complains about the Mongol Invasions.

    • Replies: @ivvenalis
    The present-day Mongols have nothing worth grabbing.
  63. @Corvinus
    Invade the world, invite the world karma, as one could reasonably state.

    Speaking of Indians (dot, not feathers)...

    Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during British colonial rule.

    1) It was governed by a foreign nation;

    2) It did not bring in immigrants;

    3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army;

    4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    The underlying nonsensical, inverted and wicked assumption being that the conqueror owes the conquered anything.

    The Conqueror owes the Conquered NOTHING – not even their lives – which is why ancient wars were decisive and final. This new and wicked principle resolves nothing whilst continually inflaming the worst passions.

    So far, this madness persists because of the unprecedented wealth and power of what used to be Christendom. Now, as Christendom is dead, and as the West groans under the weight of its accumulated sins and mistakes, there is going to be a mighty reckoning.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    If the North American Indians had had a single polity across all of North America they might not have been conquered.

    I think there is a lesson there somewhere.
    , @Corvinus
    "The Conqueror owes the Conquered NOTHING – not even their lives – which is why ancient wars were decisive and final."

    So by employing your logic, the invasion by the hordes of post-1965 Hart-Celler Act masses which will inevitably brown America owe Whites jack squat. Thanks!

    "Now, as Christendom is dead, and as the West groans under the weight of its accumulated sins and mistakes, there is going to be a mighty reckoning."

    By Whom? Will you be part of this reckoning? In what way(s)?
  64. As an Irish lad from Brooklyn why may have had Catholic school kith and kin who caused Mehta grief; we blew up Mountbatten for you guys.English were waaayyyyy worse to us than anyone else. What, no credit for that?

    Love how it’s never the Jews and Ivy Wasps, those in power, the brown people blame. Rather always the mics, krauts and dagos that get the worst press. F— off, dothead. I hope they beat your scrawny ass daily.

    Everybody can get some Pokemon intersectional points if you go a bit back. And at least their cuisine doesn’t suck as much as India’s.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    As an Irish lad from Brooklyn why may have had Catholic school kith and kin who caused Mehta grief; we blew up Mountbatten for you guys.English were waaayyyyy worse to us than anyone else. What, no credit for that?

    No matter how hard you Shinners try, you're always going to look White to them.
    , @Lot
    “Love how it’s never the Jews and Ivy Wasps, those in power, the brown people blame. ”

    You really think minorities don’t blame Jews and wasps for their problems?
    , @Twinkie

    we blew up Mountbatten for you guys
     
    No, you didn’t. You did it for your own enjoyment.
  65. @istevefan

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…
     
    What happened prior to the British takeover of India? Oh yea, the muslim conquest of India. Though this wikipedia page has since been revamped, it listed the muslim conquest of India as being responsible for 40 to 80 million deaths. The footnote to that estimate reads thusly:

    "historian Koenraad Elst estimates that between the year 1000 and 1525, eighty million Hindus died at the hands of Muslim invaders, probably the biggest holocaust in the whole history of our planet."
     
    The link to that footnote, which is 10 years old, is dead. So I don't know if this historian was for real, or was smoking crack. Does anyone with better knowledge of India have any input on how true his estimate was?

    The link to that footnote, which is 10 years old, is dead. So I don’t know if this historian was for real, or was smoking crack. Does anyone with better knowledge of India have any input on how true his estimate was?

    I know this figure & source. It is completely unreliable (not that Muslims were nice people).

    Basically, these old sources are inflated. Even those cultures which kept records (China, Islamic world) are unreliable; India is, with regard to any chronology, a culture of myth.

    For instance, we can only speculate on the chronology of Yoga texts or Upanishads (let alone Vedas).
    In “Mahabharata”, I think I remember correctly, 1.6 billion people are killed in the central battle.

    Even other, more reliable cultures tend to vastly exaggerate. As I recall, Iranian sources give impossible figures for early 13th C Mongol invasion: number of victims in Herat, Nishapur, Merv … is, according to them, in each case way over 1 million. When you try to sum all victims of Mongol expansion, from China & Korea to Russia, Islamic world & Europe, the figure oscillates between 45 million & 120 million.

    Unreliable.

  66. @NYMOM
    Well I don't know about any black family being 'outraged' about embezzling but I saw a mini riot on U-tube the other day when a black defendant only received five years in jail for murdering another black person. The family of the victim was in the courtroom and a brawl broke out as they fought to get a hold of the defendant and enact justice...

    Like they kept yelling five years for murder was no justice...we are going to see more and more of these scenes enacted as these virtue signalers keep letting black defendants get away with more and more violent crime. After all, most of their victims are black.

    I take it that you are expecting blacks, at some point, to become self aware.
    Tick, tick, tick……

  67. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    I don’t think it matters in practice but like writes in response to your comment I think that Asians (East and Southeast) aren’t all that sincere about these poses outside of a very few like that Saira Rao character (who really seems mentally ill). What they do know is power and bargaining, and if the “rules” of the game permit this sort of behavior to gain advantage they’re going to exploit it to the fullest.

  68. @istevefan

    I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now..
     
    Once again I will bring up a question others have asked on this blog before. If Whites stole this land from the "natives" how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? I would like to hear a response to this prick's claim by a real Indian, (casino not call center), on why their stolen land now belongs to the whole world.

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

     

    First, the liberation guys never told us they wanted access to our lands. We were told to get out of their countries, period. So telling us we have to let you in because of the past is like one side adding to a contract after it has been signed. It's not legit.

    Second, if it is just a matter of finances, then why do you have to come to our countries? Wouldn't it suffice if we supplied some sort of tribute to your countries like we do to Israel? By stating you are coming to collect, you are admitting that we could just make it easier on you if we just direct-deposited some funds in your Indian bank account. And that would save you the expense of coming over here to collect.

    Third, look at the phrase were he writes, "We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there", as justification for his presence. Yet WE were never THERE. We who are currently alive were not involved in your subjugation. So we are innocent of living on someone else's land. Yet you by your physical presence admit to being guilty of living on someone else's land.

    But for the West to surrender to racist bullying by the likes of Mehta and therefore increase immigration would instead send a truly disastrous signal: that the rest of the world doesn’t need to solve their overpopulation problems because they can offload their surplus citizens on the white saps.
     
    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he'd lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he’d lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    You underestimate Indians; they (at least hte ones who live in Western countries) are perhaps one of the most openly arrogant groups of people on Earth

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    The War Nerd's disdain for Pakistanis and Indians comes to mind:

    https://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-fag-vs-fag-the-india-pakistan-phoney-war/

    https://exiledonline.com/war-nerd-called-it-indians-and-pakis-too-faggy-for-war/
  69. Anon[897] • Disclaimer says:

    Indeed, a huge bill is coming due to the West. And it is one that the West is not only morally obligated to pay, but one that it should look forward to paying.

    There is no Dravidian who can lecture the White group on the morality that we handed to them. I’m consistently bemused by how these people assume foundational ownership of what would fall out from beneath their feat if we ever disappeared.

    Mehta’s book is rife with anecdotes about deplorable white people saying insensitive things to his family. (His clannish loyalty to concentric circles of his people might be his best quality.) He begins with a tale of which he’s particularly proud: An Englishman in London asks his grandfather why he is in his country:

    “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

    “Our”? They are the group that we left with some civilization and our genetics after we departed the Indian subcontinent to flee from them after we made them what they are but they still retained the ability to out procreate us.

    I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now.

    This guy’s ego is no different from the average ghetto dweller. He embarrasses himself in the same manner.

    Seriously, in the current Scramble for America, the potential profits for colonizers like the Mehtas are so vast that it’s only natural for their pundits to not wait around to publish until they’ve first figured out arguments that can pass the laugh test.

    “The only way to keep the Alliance of the Margins from turning on each other in endless battles over Who Is More Intersectional Than Thou is to demonize whites as their mutual hate object.”

    Molding Whites into a de facto Israel group. No problem. The texts instruct us what do do from there.

    It is every migrant’s dream to see the tables turned, to see long lines of Americans and Britons in front of the Bangladeshi or Mexican or Nigerian Embassy, begging for a residence visa.

    Resent born from complete dependence is a stinky cologne.

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…

    lol

    And then he recounts how he delights in his subcaste’s annual picnic:

    It was a fine day at the subcaste picnic. All my caste-fellows, young, old, were playing cricket, eating, strolling by the New Jersey lake, and the old ladies were pleased that not one of us had yet married an American.

    What would be the equivalent scenario for Whites? Maybe this:

    “Uncle Bob mixed the milk and blood into the bowl for the group, as the Jones family pierced one another’s noses and had a spear throwing contest by the side of the Lake Victoria, and the old ladies were pleased that not one of us had yet married an African”. But, of course, all of that would be stated in some rudimentary African tongue.

    We’e routed their minds and replaced their software as much as possible. They aren’t going to be taking over a thing, and it is to our benefit that none of them ever marries a European. We’ve donated enough genetics to their group to date and should thank them for remaining as inward facing as the can muster.

    But does anybody get the joke? In The New York Times, for instance, Lauren Markham gave This Land Is Our Land a rave review.

    Of course it did. They are going to stoke the flames until the ultimate conflict begins.

    Similarly, erasing white nations’ right to exist is the intention of Mehta’s This Land Is Our Land.

    His people have no friends except for the Russians who need the to occupy the subcontinent. He should be doing everything in his power to not draw attention to them. He’s doing a poor job.

    Actually, the population of Earth hasn’t been 7 billion since 2010. The United Nations’ new population forecast released on Monday shows the world’s population has already grown 10 percent since 2010 and is headed toward 9.7 billion by 2050.

    Southern Asia is currently at 1.9 billion and is expected to add another 500 million people by the middle of this century.

    Of course, the world’s truly threatening population problem is sub-Saharan Africa, which has grown from 640 million in 2000 to 1,066 million today, and now is expected by the U.N. to double by 2050, and almost double again to 3.775 billion in 2100.

    That sounds like a premise for a sudden and massive reduction in world population.

  70. Old ingrate grandpa sez:

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds.”

    Took, took, took! But does miserable old scoundrel grandpa mention what the British BUILT in India? Like railroads, telegraphy, roads, ports, irrigation systems. What was all that worth to India?

    And this continues right up to today, with Indian workers in the millions employed in industries invented by the West.

    For a fascinating look at the corruption of modern India, I highly recommend “Capital: The Eruption of Delhi” by Rana Dasgupta. A sample:

    “The fact that the city’s outer surfaces function as a giant bedroom, bathroom and closet for the hundreds of thousands who live in it unenclosed, helps to give the roads a run-down air.”

    “Like so much of the rest of the city’s infrastructure, these gap-toothed flyovers look ancient even when they have only just been built. Delhi’s recent multibillion-dollar makeover, completed just in time for the 2010 Commonwealth Games, is already difficult to remember: down the centre of main roads, great sections of the new dividing walls have broken off and fallen into the path of traffic, while the roofs are falling off the rusty Games stadiums, whose car parks lie cracked and empty.”

    “Even as their own incomes multiplied manifold, they fought furiously against pay rises for the people who served them.”

    “I started out dealing in Gao and Manali… If any party happened in Delhi, I used to be there. Nothing works without drugs in Delhi, so without me there was no party… Coke has taken over everything. ”

    There’s a lot more.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    There’s more: the British gave them the English language. What a primitive people and culture they would be without it!
  71. @ConfirmationBias
    Jesus these Indians... what a bum. Always asking for reparations and being all upset that the British raided their jewels and caused the Bengal famine. Wimps. Why can’t they shut up and toil toward becoming doctors, lawyers or engineers. If they were actually working their tails off to eventually become over-represented in some of the top schools, colleges, zip codes and high-paying professions, white folks wouldn’t have anything to complain about. Kick those bums back to where they came from. They’re not the *real* native Americans.

    Snark aside. I can’t really resonate with Mehta. Yes sure @ British atrocities. But india as a nation has been invaded countless times. How far back do you go? Is it even a worthwhile exercise?

    I miss the fiercely pragmatic Indians. Hardworking, enterprising, and clannish AF. But they understand that’s how the world works and as a species it’s hardcoded In us to be clannish.

    Moving away from a societal perspective, at a deeply individual and psychological level.. it certainly can’t be good to go thru life harboring resentful and hatred for successful people.

  72. But for the West to surrender to racist bullying by the likes of Mehta and therefore increase immigration would instead send a truly disastrous signal: that the rest of the world doesn’t need to solve their overpopulation problems because they can offload their surplus citizens on the white saps.

    Offload is a word seemingly inelegant; but, it packs a good and elegant wallop when needed.

    When Steve Sailer uses the words “rest of the world,” what he means, If I might be so bold as to interpret Sailer, is that the sneaky ass RULING CLASSES of the rest of the world are taking their overload population problems and offloading them onto or into the United States. Other European Christian nations such as Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Italy and others are being similarly swamped with foreigners.

    Mass immigration can be said to be an example of globalized ruling class collusion to attack and destroy the cultural cohesion of European Christian nations.

    Tweet from 2014 about immigration offloading and immigration overload:

  73. OT, more Hollywood #MeToo from the Former Paper Of Record

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7158577/Woman-sues-Hollywood-talent-agency-claiming-executives-tried-fondle-amd-demanded-sex.html

    I must say Jim Gosnell has that Weinsteinian vibe – it might just be the jowls and the suit minus tie look

    The defendants seem to have left plenty of electronic evidence in their texts, if they’re genuine. Whatever happened to talking to a girl?

  74. What comes next? Expunging all history of white achievement? Will Indians claim they invented everything? Will Hindu mobs burn the library of Congress and the National Portrait Gallery to the ground. Will Lin-Manuel Miranda reimagine all the signatories of the Declaration of Independence as rebel African slaves.

    Hide your history books in safe deposit boxes.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/harvards-former-dean-of-the-faculty-condemns-removing-portraits-of-white-doctors-for-diversity/

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    "Will Hindu [and dindu] mobs burn the library of Congress and the National Portrait Gallery to the ground."

    If history is any indication, then the answer is "Yes".

    Every time I read about the burning of the library of Alexander I wince. Lost to the West for one thousand years were the writings of Euclid, Archimedes, Ptolemy, Plato, Aristotle, Eratosthenes, Pythagoras and many, many more that we will never know about.

    With the invasion of this current crop of barbarian hordes there are good reasons for believing that history will repeat itself. Der Untergang des Abendlandes.
  75. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”

    Really?

    Brits took every last diamond in the soil of Inja?

    EVERY ONE? Over the course of a period when half of it didn’t even have steam power?

    Good lord, they were even more efficient than those evol nazis! White man magic to be sure!

    And what about the Brits’ Muslim forebears in Inja?

    Did they not take any diamonds as they were slaughtering their way across the continent? Why aren’t these Dotted professorial types demanding repamarations of Iran, Afghanistan, and Turkestan (Russia, Mongolia, various -stans…)?

    I think we already know the answer.

    Titters aside, this is the mentality we’re dealing with. They can’t create wealth for themselves, they want whitey to create it for them, but they can’t admit that (Third World street-latrine pride being what it is).

    So they couple it with some ahistorical Bollywood version of retribution that they huff and snort over, thinking we’re fooled by the costumes.

    I would be inclined to tell this welfare case to go p!ss up an Indian street magician’s rope. I never had anything to do with India and the whole place could be crushed into the Himalayas by plate tectonics tomorrow, and nothing would be lost.

    Least of all its arrogant snotty people…who in fact are so easily led by the nose that one good kick in the ass brings them to heel. To mix an anatomical metaphor with a brush hog.

  76. Like the Irish, had the Indians ever stuck together they could have bounced the British all the way out.

    But instead they fought and feuded among themselves and gave an opening to foreign conquest.

    India has been conquered, in full or part, by many, many peoples. The British, by any logical accounting, gave more to India than any other of its conquerors.

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger. This is despite the fact that many of these angry Indians are, or claim to be, descended from earlier conquerors.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Like the Irish, had the Indians ever stuck together they could have bounced the British all the way out.

    In the age of sail, England could not possibly have tolerated a Catholic Kingdom of Ireland on the windward side of Great Britain. They did anything necessary to ensure that never happened.

    By the way, a lot of the men who captured and held India for the British were themselves Irish. My own great-uncles played their small part as army officers between the wars.

    , @PaceLaw
    Yep, you’re right about that! Haven’t heard a word yet from Indians about reparations from Greece/Macedonia for the depredations of Alexander the Great.
    , @Bragadocious

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger.

     

    I guess you didn't read Sailer's intro.

    This Indian is condemning America for what Britain did. He has it out for America, not Britain.

    Which is interesting, given that FDR tried to get Churchill to give India its independence. Churchill had a meltdown and ended the meeting. His primary goal in WW2 was not to kill Nazis but to preserve the empire.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of Indian animus towards America derives not from some imaginary assault on India from the U.S., but from British propaganda pumped into their heads and passed down through the generations. This is, in a way, a Commonwealth assault on America. And Britain, as always, is rubbing its hands with glee. Although they're certainly getting a taste of it themselves, which makes me happy.
  77. @Reg Cæsar

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
     
    Which works out to fifty cents per head. So send 'em their eight bob and be done with it!

    Would cost the average Brit less than a tenner. A bargain.

    I suspect he actually spoke of hundreds of millions of pounds. 🙂

    Also, that would be hundreds of millions of pounds 150 years ago, when that was a lot more money.

    And don’t forget compound interest since.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Of course, since Europeans increased the population of Indians to 10x their previous peak, I would expect that would mean that 90% of their economy is really due to us. That, of course, is being generous and leaving out remittances, aid, and investment.
    , @Pericles
    And don't forget that if you do pay, it's just the first installment of many.
  78. @istevefan

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…
     
    What happened prior to the British takeover of India? Oh yea, the muslim conquest of India. Though this wikipedia page has since been revamped, it listed the muslim conquest of India as being responsible for 40 to 80 million deaths. The footnote to that estimate reads thusly:

    "historian Koenraad Elst estimates that between the year 1000 and 1525, eighty million Hindus died at the hands of Muslim invaders, probably the biggest holocaust in the whole history of our planet."
     
    The link to that footnote, which is 10 years old, is dead. So I don't know if this historian was for real, or was smoking crack. Does anyone with better knowledge of India have any input on how true his estimate was?

    Here’s some pretty extensive commentary.

    https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history

    80 to 100M is not unreasonable, but it should be noted that this was over a period of centuries.

    It is un-PC to bring all this up today, but revisionist history is forced to claim that contemporary Muslim accounts boasting of the immense number of pagans they killed were untrue.

    • Replies: @Anon

    It is un-PC to bring all this up today, but revisionist history is forced to claim that contemporary Muslim accounts boasting of the immense number of pagans they killed were untrue.
     
    That's actually probably correct, though. Medieval battle and massacre figures are all typically inflated.
  79. I think the free money that draws the world’s refuse here isn’t just our money; it’s the $trillions we borrow. Is it worth it to the rest of the world to dump their human refuse here? Or do they see the USA as an empty field, that they will sow with surplus people from around the world, and then profit while we try to educate, house, employ and care for them?

    Take a last look. This was America.

  80. @istevefan

    I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now..
     
    Once again I will bring up a question others have asked on this blog before. If Whites stole this land from the "natives" how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? I would like to hear a response to this prick's claim by a real Indian, (casino not call center), on why their stolen land now belongs to the whole world.

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

     

    First, the liberation guys never told us they wanted access to our lands. We were told to get out of their countries, period. So telling us we have to let you in because of the past is like one side adding to a contract after it has been signed. It's not legit.

    Second, if it is just a matter of finances, then why do you have to come to our countries? Wouldn't it suffice if we supplied some sort of tribute to your countries like we do to Israel? By stating you are coming to collect, you are admitting that we could just make it easier on you if we just direct-deposited some funds in your Indian bank account. And that would save you the expense of coming over here to collect.

    Third, look at the phrase were he writes, "We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there", as justification for his presence. Yet WE were never THERE. We who are currently alive were not involved in your subjugation. So we are innocent of living on someone else's land. Yet you by your physical presence admit to being guilty of living on someone else's land.

    But for the West to surrender to racist bullying by the likes of Mehta and therefore increase immigration would instead send a truly disastrous signal: that the rest of the world doesn’t need to solve their overpopulation problems because they can offload their surplus citizens on the white saps.
     
    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he'd lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    His confidence is justified, based on all the people I know.

  81. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘You took our diamonds’.

    Admittedly some rather choice Indian diamonds were more or less looted by the British under nefarious circumstances, but the point is diamonds wealth do not create. Basically a lump of carbon – glorified coal.

    But with use of coal – of which Britain abounds – British workers toiling under pretty inhumane conditions created *real* wealth – the steam engine, Britain’s great gift to the world, which more or less single handedly liberated mankind from the life of the beast of burden, and just as important, the smelting of iron using coke, without which iron and steel would be as rare as rocking-horse sh*t, and likely the entirety of the earth’s woodlands toasted away in heaps to produce charcoal.

  82. @Escher
    “Manifest Density!” LOL.
    Excellent article. Indians are some of the most hypocritical people around: crying racism at every real or perceived slight while harboring contempt towards all other ethnic groups.

    Isn’t that true of all of the Diversities? The only people who people who believe that we are all Americans, equal opportunity, blah, blah, blah, are white gentiles. Members of every other group are tribal who despise everyone else.

  83. I saw The Dead Don’t Die this past weekend (sadly, I can’t recommend it, because I like Bill Murray).

    As it turns out, the world’s exploited dead don’t die, either. They’ve risen from their graves and are all stumbling towards America, each with their hand out.

  84. @Logan
    Like the Irish, had the Indians ever stuck together they could have bounced the British all the way out.

    But instead they fought and feuded among themselves and gave an opening to foreign conquest.

    India has been conquered, in full or part, by many, many peoples. The British, by any logical accounting, gave more to India than any other of its conquerors.

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger. This is despite the fact that many of these angry Indians are, or claim to be, descended from earlier conquerors.

    Like the Irish, had the Indians ever stuck together they could have bounced the British all the way out.

    In the age of sail, England could not possibly have tolerated a Catholic Kingdom of Ireland on the windward side of Great Britain. They did anything necessary to ensure that never happened.

    By the way, a lot of the men who captured and held India for the British were themselves Irish. My own great-uncles played their small part as army officers between the wars.

  85. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds.

    It takes a real dimwit to believe that diamonds are indicative of wealth.

    Yeah, so the Brits bought a few diamonds, in exchange they brought India the steamship, combustion engine, rail network, electrical grid…… Who got the better deal?

  86. @Corvinus
    Invade the world, invite the world karma, as one could reasonably state.

    Speaking of Indians (dot, not feathers)...

    Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during British colonial rule.

    1) It was governed by a foreign nation;

    2) It did not bring in immigrants;

    3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army;

    4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    How has the population of the subcontinent fared since the inception of colonial rule by the British?

  87. The belligerence of Swami Mehta comes as no surprise to those of us who have been treated to the anti-white attitudes of the first generation spawn of dot-head immigrants. It clouds my fondness for Hindu presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard.

    “… the Democrat’s Coalition of the Fringes naturally tends toward being a circular firing squad.”

    And I’m a Democrat willing to supply them with the ammunition (I know a good place in Reno).

    “The good news is it’s not impossible to avert such an apocalyptic population explosion in Africa.”

    Should I get more ammo?

    Good stuff as usual, “Steve.” Now get back to work on your pilot.

  88. @Bugg
    As an Irish lad from Brooklyn why may have had Catholic school kith and kin who caused Mehta grief; we blew up Mountbatten for you guys.English were waaayyyyy worse to us than anyone else. What, no credit for that?

    Love how it's never the Jews and Ivy Wasps, those in power, the brown people blame. Rather always the mics, krauts and dagos that get the worst press. F--- off, dothead. I hope they beat your scrawny ass daily.

    Everybody can get some Pokemon intersectional points if you go a bit back. And at least their cuisine doesn't suck as much as India's.

    As an Irish lad from Brooklyn why may have had Catholic school kith and kin who caused Mehta grief; we blew up Mountbatten for you guys.English were waaayyyyy worse to us than anyone else. What, no credit for that?

    No matter how hard you Shinners try, you’re always going to look White to them.

  89. ha! manifesto destiny!

    one of your best lines ever!

  90. @Andy
    Anyway, as hateful as this guy is, I applaud him for not shying away from following its argument to its ultimate logical conclusion when he argues that the US has room to acomodateon its soil all 7 billion people on the planet

    Anyway, as hateful as this guy is, I applaud him for not shying away from following its argument to its ultimate logical conclusion when he argues that the US has room to acomodateon its soil all 7 billion people on the planet

    Absolutely, because this is precisely what the Cucks believe. Oh, I pray for an awakening that white America will realize that it has been the Cucks all along who are our biggest problem. We have put our confidence in the Cucks, but it is near impossible to battle leftism when we are being stabbed in the back by the Cucks. Well, 2020 may be the watershed year. I do believe that Trump will lose the election and the realization may set in that America will never see a Republican President again, ever. The woke white may finally be disabused of the notion that the Republicans were ever good for anything and may walk away from them en masse. With no immediate political base for the white, things will be nasty going forward, but rage and energy will center on some movement, and at least there will be a fight.

  91. OK, 2nd time’s a charm:

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    Hmmmm . . . seems like a charming fellow. Blue Lives Matter? Lol!
  92. eah says:

    Demagoguery like the Kamala Harris “remake the demographics” tweet and eg the “concentration camp” rhetoric of AOC are one thing, and about what you’ve come to expect from these idiotic politicians — but take a look at the relevant and related Twitter threads to see the responses: these people are unhinged, raving lunatics.

    There are now two separate polities in this country, and they are completely incompatible with each other — they cannot co-exist in the same nation — it is only a matter of time.

  93. @istevefan

    I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now..
     
    Once again I will bring up a question others have asked on this blog before. If Whites stole this land from the "natives" how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? I would like to hear a response to this prick's claim by a real Indian, (casino not call center), on why their stolen land now belongs to the whole world.

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

     

    First, the liberation guys never told us they wanted access to our lands. We were told to get out of their countries, period. So telling us we have to let you in because of the past is like one side adding to a contract after it has been signed. It's not legit.

    Second, if it is just a matter of finances, then why do you have to come to our countries? Wouldn't it suffice if we supplied some sort of tribute to your countries like we do to Israel? By stating you are coming to collect, you are admitting that we could just make it easier on you if we just direct-deposited some funds in your Indian bank account. And that would save you the expense of coming over here to collect.

    Third, look at the phrase were he writes, "We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there", as justification for his presence. Yet WE were never THERE. We who are currently alive were not involved in your subjugation. So we are innocent of living on someone else's land. Yet you by your physical presence admit to being guilty of living on someone else's land.

    But for the West to surrender to racist bullying by the likes of Mehta and therefore increase immigration would instead send a truly disastrous signal: that the rest of the world doesn’t need to solve their overpopulation problems because they can offload their surplus citizens on the white saps.
     
    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he'd lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    “If Whites stole this land from the “natives” how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? ”

    This Lefty logic always amuses me: the United States was stolen, so that means it belongs to everyone.

    Oooooookay.

  94. @Bugg
    As an Irish lad from Brooklyn why may have had Catholic school kith and kin who caused Mehta grief; we blew up Mountbatten for you guys.English were waaayyyyy worse to us than anyone else. What, no credit for that?

    Love how it's never the Jews and Ivy Wasps, those in power, the brown people blame. Rather always the mics, krauts and dagos that get the worst press. F--- off, dothead. I hope they beat your scrawny ass daily.

    Everybody can get some Pokemon intersectional points if you go a bit back. And at least their cuisine doesn't suck as much as India's.

    “Love how it’s never the Jews and Ivy Wasps, those in power, the brown people blame. ”

    You really think minorities don’t blame Jews and wasps for their problems?

    • Replies: @Rosie

    You really think minorities don’t blame Jews and wasps for their problems?
     
    Theat was precisely the point of Cultural Marxism, to redirect prole anger to ... other proles, the White ones. POC see the elites as their allies against Bubba. It's hard to believe anyone could be that stupid, I know.
  95. @Clement Pulaski
    Diversity is such an inscrutable mystery that it cannot be examined by human reason. Diversity is both a blessing and a curse, a reward and a punishment. Those who question how this can be have not properly submitted themselves to the incomprehensible majesty of diversity.

    “At this point, the Jewish Philosopher was enlightened”

  96. I told you the Indians are worse than the Mexicans and they are all over the US. Build a wall against them fer Xsakes.

  97. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    Useless radical shit-talking by an ivory tower scribbler. The idiot from India ensconced in the NYU liberal bubble is just trying to sing louder than the chorus so he is heard above the cacophony that is today’s political discourse in the Trump era. Most people think reparations for Black people is outlandish, this fellow is trying to take that to even more absurd levels. That makes this unoriginal as fvck as well. This is just opportunistic rantings of an elite Hindu with a giant chip on his shoulder. I don’t think there are many takes for this idea.

    The whole American liberal project is anchored on the original problem – the history and the current condition of America’s Black community. All the browns and others are just just piggy-backing on that. They will find that out soon enough that it is not about them, and that there are too many other types of non-black “thems” and that they just have to fight each other for their spot behind Blacks, when the Democratic party becomes the non-white or the anti-white party as most whites desert it (or are expelled from it) in next decade or so. Reparations for non-Blacks, my azz.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton

    The whole American liberal project is anchored on the original problem – the history and the current condition of America’s Black community.
     
    Disagree with original problem, although it is a problem. The original problem is that America attracted a few tribes from England and Scotland that carried over ancient grievences. The son shall carry on the grudge of his father. The daughter shall follow her mother, look to her father, and wait to see who wins. The grievances are likely ancient and rooted deeply in gene and culture.
  98. @Lot
    “Love how it’s never the Jews and Ivy Wasps, those in power, the brown people blame. ”

    You really think minorities don’t blame Jews and wasps for their problems?

    You really think minorities don’t blame Jews and wasps for their problems?

    Theat was precisely the point of Cultural Marxism, to redirect prole anger to … other proles, the White ones. POC see the elites as their allies against Bubba. It’s hard to believe anyone could be that stupid, I know.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Yes, the Harold & Kumar coalition were told the Jewish guy is cool, so leave him alone. The real danger is out there in Hillbilly country, 10 miles from Princeton in any direction.
    , @Ben tillman
    It’s not hard to believe when you consider how easily and successfully the same Cultural Marxists have manipulated the beliefs and behavior of whites.
  99. @Rosie

    You really think minorities don’t blame Jews and wasps for their problems?
     
    Theat was precisely the point of Cultural Marxism, to redirect prole anger to ... other proles, the White ones. POC see the elites as their allies against Bubba. It's hard to believe anyone could be that stupid, I know.

    Yes, the Harold & Kumar coalition were told the Jewish guy is cool, so leave him alone. The real danger is out there in Hillbilly country, 10 miles from Princeton in any direction.

    • Replies: @Flip

    Yes, the Harold & Kumar coalition were told the Jewish guy is cool, so leave him alone. The real danger is out there in Hillbilly country, 10 miles from Princeton in any direction.
     
    "If there is hope, it lies in the proles."
  100. The joke is the children of immigrants to the US eventually discover that foreign policy is a great government job. So I would expect Indian Americans to do what, one example, Cubans are doing, namely hijacking US foreign policy with their homeland. I fully expect America’s foreign policy to be run by America’s diversity. What exactly happens when all of America’s diversity conflicting needs collide is interesting.

    FWIW one explanation for US involvement in WWI on the side of Britain is that the US had a large elite that was newly proud of their British ancestry. Needless to say America’s German and Irish had no say in the matter.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious

    FWIW one explanation for US involvement in WWI on the side of Britain is that the US had a large elite that was newly proud of their British ancestry. Needless to say America’s German and Irish had no say in the matter.

     

    Yup. One of my distant relatives is a perfect example of this. He played the Englishman-on-Long-Island role during the early 1900s, drinking high tea and employing French governesses to raise the kids. When 1917 rolled around, he joined the Army and helped round up pissed off Irish, Germans and Puerto Rican conscripts in order to expedite their future gassing on French battlefields. When he got to the U.K. as a Major he expected to be treated kindly by the Brits, given all that he had done, but all they did was shit on him.
    , @Colin Wright
    '...So I would expect Indian Americans to do what, one example, Cubans are doing, namely hijacking US foreign policy with their homeland...'

    You rather obviously veered away from the best example, didn't you? Cubans, indeed.
  101. It’s kinda funny that Mehta is so ignorant, that he doesn’t realize that Irish Catholics have their own grievances against the British. Imagine telling an Irish Catholic that he must pay for British imperialism!

  102. @Anonymous
    Manu-fest Destiny. Vedas became Invadas.

    https://www.learnreligions.com/laws-of-manu-manava-dharma-shastra-1770570

    Irshad, ustad, irshad! 👍👍👍👌👌👌👋👋👋

  103. How about this other grateful Hindu immigrant Saira Rao, DNC congressional candidate from CO:

    The American flag makes me sick.

    White people have done everything to make my life miserable. Yet I’m supposed to not hate white people?

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/03/democrat-congress-hates-white-people-america/

  104. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Yes, but this could become interesting. Indians are dumber Jews. They are not clever. They are not strategic like Jews. It’s all brute force until it works for them. Which might be good for whites. We do not seem to be clever enough to figure out the Jews. However, with Indians telling us directly to our faces that we should die, we may see a different reaction.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Also, Jews kinda look like whites and they speak like us. Desis are obviously foreign at first glance and they talk in that annoying roller-coaster morse code accent.
  105. @MalePaleStale
    It never occurs to a single immigrant to return their homeland to fix the disfunction they left. Instead they lay claim to the accomplishments of the White Man because their forefathers were dominated by our forefathers. Knowing that the United Kingdom which is the size of Oregon conquered the entire world including Mr. Mehta's hapless India must be humiliating but not enough to want to fix India itself.

    Well said! What is also disturbing to see is so many 2nd -3rd generation immigrants in this country proudly representing for the country of their ancestors while having little pride in the good, ol’ USA (other than any material benefits they can derive). Kinda like leeches in that regard . . .

  106. Babu’s from Bombay are often obnoxious ass-holes. Instead of improving their craphole country, where corruption is the norm for Babus, they flee to the USA under H1-b visas, then bad mouth us behind our backs

    • LOL: BB753
  107. @Whiskey
    This is why the Civil Rights movement was a disaster.

    Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice. Smart phones alone guarantee that.

    White women increasingly throw in with the new masters.

    Whites are very egalitarian amongst themselves, generally. Especially Germanics. UK, Canada, Australia, to a lesser extent USA, all have very low income inequality. There is no real caste or strong class system among whites. (Compared to India/Latin America, Africa etc.) Whites will divide themselves into social groups based on interests, music tastes, career path, etc.

    However with other racial groups, yes, we cannot be equal with them. They see our friendly, egalitarian views with them as weakness.

    • Agree: Hail
  108. Reparations?

    I didn’t rob his country. But that didn’t stop Indians from overrunning my last neighborhood. It went from 90% white and 10% East and Southeast Asian (Koreans and Vietnamese) to 70% Indian in 10 years… with the corresponding, massive decline in all manners of quality of life. As I mentioned elsewhere, even older, assimilated Indian immigrants I know (who came as doctors decades ago) don’t like the new IT industry-induced arrivals (similar to Mr. Sailer’s Armenian -ian vs. -yan construct).

    Please. No more H1B visas.

  109. @Bugg
    As an Irish lad from Brooklyn why may have had Catholic school kith and kin who caused Mehta grief; we blew up Mountbatten for you guys.English were waaayyyyy worse to us than anyone else. What, no credit for that?

    Love how it's never the Jews and Ivy Wasps, those in power, the brown people blame. Rather always the mics, krauts and dagos that get the worst press. F--- off, dothead. I hope they beat your scrawny ass daily.

    Everybody can get some Pokemon intersectional points if you go a bit back. And at least their cuisine doesn't suck as much as India's.

    we blew up Mountbatten for you guys

    No, you didn’t. You did it for your own enjoyment.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    Mountbatten died the way he lived: getting subordinates killed with his dilettantism. "He lacked situational awareness" was my Dad's ruling on the affair. "Ireland is a hard country; never forget that" was my grandmother's advice, more generally. It goes without saying that Mountbatten never met my grandmother.
  110. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    It was a fine day at the subcaste picnic. All my caste-fellows, young, old, were playing cricket, eating, strolling by the New Jersey lake, and the old ladies were pleased that not one of us had yet married an American.

    So I guess there won’t be any interbreeding with the natives. Complete eradication is the plan. What happens when whites are, say 15% of the population? My guess is the machetes come out.

  111. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    Major problem with Chinese is that they bring bedbugs which invade neighboring buildings. Just was told about another out break in the neighborhood.

    Never a bedbug ever in this neighborhood until about 4 years ago. A building 3 and 4 bedroom apartments 3/4 block long, long side of the block 5 stories high was built. Landlord rented to Chinese students at the university direct from China. Way overcrowded of course.

    Students started arriving middle of July by middle of August bedbugs swarming all over the neighborhood. They were eradicated right around by monthly expensive spraying of all apartments, common areas etc. so they have migrated about a mile from the Chinese student bedbug farm.

    I’ve heard Hindu Indians are the worst of the
    “Skilled intelligent desire able ” immigrants as far as housekeeping goes.

    Interesting that there were no lice in San Francisco schools until about 3 years after Nixon & Kissinger opened to China and half the population of Hong Kong arrived.

    Because if the bedbug invasion, I don’t believe that the rise in the bug population is because they’ve become immune to pesticides. It’s because filth world immigrants are bringing them in.

  112. @istevefan

    I claim the right to the United States, for myself and my children and my uncles and cousins, by manifest destiny…. It’s our country now..
     
    Once again I will bring up a question others have asked on this blog before. If Whites stole this land from the "natives" how is it that this land belongs to everyone but? I would like to hear a response to this prick's claim by a real Indian, (casino not call center), on why their stolen land now belongs to the whole world.

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

     

    First, the liberation guys never told us they wanted access to our lands. We were told to get out of their countries, period. So telling us we have to let you in because of the past is like one side adding to a contract after it has been signed. It's not legit.

    Second, if it is just a matter of finances, then why do you have to come to our countries? Wouldn't it suffice if we supplied some sort of tribute to your countries like we do to Israel? By stating you are coming to collect, you are admitting that we could just make it easier on you if we just direct-deposited some funds in your Indian bank account. And that would save you the expense of coming over here to collect.

    Third, look at the phrase were he writes, "We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there", as justification for his presence. Yet WE were never THERE. We who are currently alive were not involved in your subjugation. So we are innocent of living on someone else's land. Yet you by your physical presence admit to being guilty of living on someone else's land.

    But for the West to surrender to racist bullying by the likes of Mehta and therefore increase immigration would instead send a truly disastrous signal: that the rest of the world doesn’t need to solve their overpopulation problems because they can offload their surplus citizens on the white saps.
     
    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he'd lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he’d lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

    The non-whites often believe their own lies. I have immigrant friends in Toronto who apparently really believe that all whites love them, that diversity is their strength, and that there is no hatred towards them. It is “theirs” because nobody opposes them and in fact welcomes them in! All they hear is the mainstream media lies. A complete echo chamber.

    I never tell them that there’s millions of pissed off people in wait. They’ll (hopefully) figure that out for themselves one day.

    But I can tell you this: if and when this system ever collapses, these people are in for a massive shock, because they are in a bubble and have no idea that this is how many white people think.

  113. Dear kindest sir or madam,

    I am Suketa Mehta, an Indian of the highest and most excellent Gujurati caste. I have $5 million U.S. dollars worth of diamonds in a safety deposit box. Problem is I need $50,000 to access bank. Please wire the money to me, kindest sir or madam–you owe it me as reparations.

    Sincerely, your most kind intersectional servant,
    Suketa Mehta

  114. @peterike
    Old ingrate grandpa sez:

    “You took all our wealth, our diamonds."

    Took, took, took! But does miserable old scoundrel grandpa mention what the British BUILT in India? Like railroads, telegraphy, roads, ports, irrigation systems. What was all that worth to India?

    And this continues right up to today, with Indian workers in the millions employed in industries invented by the West.

    For a fascinating look at the corruption of modern India, I highly recommend "Capital: The Eruption of Delhi" by Rana Dasgupta. A sample:

    "The fact that the city's outer surfaces function as a giant bedroom, bathroom and closet for the hundreds of thousands who live in it unenclosed, helps to give the roads a run-down air."

    "Like so much of the rest of the city's infrastructure, these gap-toothed flyovers look ancient even when they have only just been built. Delhi's recent multibillion-dollar makeover, completed just in time for the 2010 Commonwealth Games, is already difficult to remember: down the centre of main roads, great sections of the new dividing walls have broken off and fallen into the path of traffic, while the roofs are falling off the rusty Games stadiums, whose car parks lie cracked and empty."

    "Even as their own incomes multiplied manifold, they fought furiously against pay rises for the people who served them."

    "I started out dealing in Gao and Manali... If any party happened in Delhi, I used to be there. Nothing works without drugs in Delhi, so without me there was no party... Coke has taken over everything. "

    There's a lot more.

    There’s more: the British gave them the English language. What a primitive people and culture they would be without it!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Is this satire? Indian languages are hardly primitive.
  115. @Pilgrim786
    The underlying nonsensical, inverted and wicked assumption being that the conqueror owes the conquered anything.

    The Conqueror owes the Conquered NOTHING - not even their lives - which is why ancient wars were decisive and final. This new and wicked principle resolves nothing whilst continually inflaming the worst passions.

    So far, this madness persists because of the unprecedented wealth and power of what used to be Christendom. Now, as Christendom is dead, and as the West groans under the weight of its accumulated sins and mistakes, there is going to be a mighty reckoning.

    If the North American Indians had had a single polity across all of North America they might not have been conquered.

    I think there is a lesson there somewhere.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "If the North American Indians had had a single polity across all of North America they might not have been conquered."

    Right, because their unity would have been able to withstand the European onslaught of gin and cannonballs.
    , @Anonymous
    That didn't work for the Aztecs and Incas, so there's no reason to expect it would have worked for the North American Indians.
  116. @Kent Nationalist

    It shows just how big a sap Whites are that this prick is basically doing a touchdown dance well before the conquest is complete. If this guy was worried that Whites might react like normal human beings, he’d lay low and continue the immivasion without aggravating the host. But he is so confident of our passivity he now has the audacity to make even more demands.

     

    You underestimate Indians; they (at least hte ones who live in Western countries) are perhaps one of the most openly arrogant groups of people on Earth
    • LOL: jim jones
  117. @El Dato
    Nobody ever complains about the Mongol Invasions.

    The present-day Mongols have nothing worth grabbing.

  118. @ConfirmationBias
    Jesus these Indians... what a bum. Always asking for reparations and being all upset that the British raided their jewels and caused the Bengal famine. Wimps. Why can’t they shut up and toil toward becoming doctors, lawyers or engineers. If they were actually working their tails off to eventually become over-represented in some of the top schools, colleges, zip codes and high-paying professions, white folks wouldn’t have anything to complain about. Kick those bums back to where they came from. They’re not the *real* native Americans.

    “being all upset that the British raided their jewels”

    “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”

    Always this mistake in believing that wealth resides in some thing, in this case a shiny stone, and not in a process. Which is precisely why they were in an inferior position then, remain so today and shall be for the foreseeable future. Fetishism and idolatry, the earmarks of a primitive people.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    Lol. No. By that logic, all rich people or anyone who desires or seeks markers of wealth, including jewels, cars, mansions etc, are in an inferior position and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

    It’s comforting to believe what one wants to and distort the facts to support the belief.
  119. @Logan
    Like the Irish, had the Indians ever stuck together they could have bounced the British all the way out.

    But instead they fought and feuded among themselves and gave an opening to foreign conquest.

    India has been conquered, in full or part, by many, many peoples. The British, by any logical accounting, gave more to India than any other of its conquerors.

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger. This is despite the fact that many of these angry Indians are, or claim to be, descended from earlier conquerors.

    Yep, you’re right about that! Haven’t heard a word yet from Indians about reparations from Greece/Macedonia for the depredations of Alexander the Great.

  120. @Twinkie

    we blew up Mountbatten for you guys
     
    No, you didn’t. You did it for your own enjoyment.

    Mountbatten died the way he lived: getting subordinates killed with his dilettantism. “He lacked situational awareness” was my Dad’s ruling on the affair. “Ireland is a hard country; never forget that” was my grandmother’s advice, more generally. It goes without saying that Mountbatten never met my grandmother.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Cagey Beast:

    The reason why Mountbatten was even in Ireland was because of the tolerance of the overwhelming majority of the Irish. Of course this tolerance was not shared by the group that did him in.

    And anyway, true-blue English Tories did not shed many tears about Mountbatten's send-off since he and his Jewish wife were disdainfully regarded as progressive liberals!
    , @Twinkie
    Mountbatten was also - literally - a cuck. His wife went around with everyone in sight.

    Any man who tolerates that is no man.
  121. How the Portuguese acquired Bombay and surrounding state.
    1534 Bombay Sultan Bahadur Shah decided he couldn’t fight of Mughal Emperor Humayun whose troops were rampaging south. There were already a few Portuguese trading posts around.

    So Sultan Bahadur gave Bombay and the rest of his territory to a few hundred Portuguese in exchange for fighting off Emperor Humayun.

    How England acquired Bombay and surrounding territories. Portuguese Princess Catherine married English King Charles’s 2 and Bombay was her dowry.

    Some families give furniture, some give livestock some give land some give houses, Portugal gave away a big chunk of India

    Blame all those Indian rulers who worked with the Europeans.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Just so.

    From the time if Alexander, the Hindoos' rulers have been very keen to betray their people to invaders for the right price.

    Just as Africans, not Europeans, enslaved most Africans (the Europeans involved merely purchased the already enslaved), so, too, did Indians "conquer" India, not Europeans, who simply accepted the lands and power in exchange for beating up the other fellow this or that sell-out petty king could not fend off hinself.

    Hell, that's much of the story regarding the demise of the Amerindians, too.

    And, too, it's what the evil Europeans are doing or us other Europeans. ("Sure, you can have all the whole place, so long as you let us alone in Malibu, Woodside, and Manhattan....")

    Wasn't it the great Angela Lansbury who sang "Tale as olde as tiiiiime...." – or was it Peabo Bryson?
  122. OT but iStevey:

    If you’re applying to any of the Ivy League universities and your last name is Wong or Patel, changing it to Smith or Lopez might just make the difference you need to get in.

    To smoke out ethnicity, Harvard requires applicants to provide their parents’ place of birth, mother’s maiden name and whether their family has ever changed its surname. These questions, along with an interview requirement, were devised in the 1920s to limit the number of Jewish students. Now Asians are the new Jews, welcome only in limited, tolerable numbers. …

    https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2019/06/01/asian-indian-americans-scapegoated-for-failing-education-system-437843/

  123. @JimB
    What comes next? Expunging all history of white achievement? Will Indians claim they invented everything? Will Hindu mobs burn the library of Congress and the National Portrait Gallery to the ground. Will Lin-Manuel Miranda reimagine all the signatories of the Declaration of Independence as rebel African slaves.

    Hide your history books in safe deposit boxes.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/harvards-former-dean-of-the-faculty-condemns-removing-portraits-of-white-doctors-for-diversity/

    “Will Hindu [and dindu] mobs burn the library of Congress and the National Portrait Gallery to the ground.”

    If history is any indication, then the answer is “Yes”.

    Every time I read about the burning of the library of Alexander I wince. Lost to the West for one thousand years were the writings of Euclid, Archimedes, Ptolemy, Plato, Aristotle, Eratosthenes, Pythagoras and many, many more that we will never know about.

    With the invasion of this current crop of barbarian hordes there are good reasons for believing that history will repeat itself. Der Untergang des Abendlandes.

  124. @Bill P
    OK, 2nd time's a charm:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Kali_by_Raja_Ravi_Varma.jpg

    Hmmmm . . . seems like a charming fellow. Blue Lives Matter? Lol!

    • Replies: @Estados Unidos
    That ain't no fella:

    That, old chap, happens to be Kali. Nice Indian goddess-except when she's angry, then she tends to destroy things, what?

  125. To soothe his wounded amour propre, Mehta has retconned a vision of South Asian history that is Indian supremacist crackpottery:

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…

    Indeed. Foreign occupation by the Mughals, and an incomplete pushback by the Marathas, left India divided before the British had even arrived. Religious divisions go back to that era, and bedevil the subcontinent to this day. South Asians sometimes blame the British for Partition, even though it can be seen more realistically as the resumption of the divisions that existed before the Pax Britannica.

    • Replies: @BB753
    And this guy Mehta is a professor? Just goes to show that our universities aren't worthy of that name. A very low standard, even for a journalism professor!
  126. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/how-the-gupta-brothers-hijacked-south-africa-corruption-bribes

    Why the Guptas moved from Singapore to South Africa remains a mystery. The Guptas say they were once again prodded by their father, who believed that “Africa would be the next America of the world.”

    Yuppies, make way for the Guppies.

  127. @Logan
    I suspect he actually spoke of hundreds of millions of pounds. :)

    Also, that would be hundreds of millions of pounds 150 years ago, when that was a lot more money.

    And don't forget compound interest since.

    Of course, since Europeans increased the population of Indians to 10x their previous peak, I would expect that would mean that 90% of their economy is really due to us. That, of course, is being generous and leaving out remittances, aid, and investment.

  128. @BigDickNick
    Gujarati are known as the jews of india. Definitely seeing the parallels.

    Gujarati are known as the jews of india.

    My friend, Indians are the Jews of India. Absent an opportunity to goad Pakistan into french-frying the gungadins (like they’re dying to), we should at the very least severely restrict Indian immigration to North America. Perhaps changing the agency’s name from ICE to DOT would help send the correct message.

  129. This is greatest gift anyone could give to the White Nationalists. I fear the full realization of identity politics, and the Left has worked so hard to make that a reality. Mehta has shortened the distance from where we are to that destination to the greatest extent possible.

    Possibly Mehta has not conceived of the possibility of ethnic cleansing in America. Surely Mehta does not think he could be cleansed. But the kind of hubris Mehta demonstrates invites nemesis. And Nemesis is a harsh mistress.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  130. “Of course, exactly why Americans merit vengeance for the sins, real and imaginary, of the British Raj isn’t fully explained in This Land Is Our Land. But that’s not the point; the point is that you white people have money, which means you are guilty, and therefore you must pay.”

    Well said, iSteve … as was the rest of your article. I have long thought that this often happens to wealthy societies too soft and too lazy to defend the social, moral, and religious values that made them great, even when the primary keys to success were their discipline and hard work.

    It’s like leaving your front door unlocked to find long lines of people you don’t know queued up on the front lawn to unburden you of your possessions and your guilt for owning more than they own. This used to be called “coveting thy neighbor’s goods”. It was considered a sin, at least in Christian Europe — the Tenth Commandment. (The Commandment also cautions against “coveting thy neighbor’s wife”. Both end up badly, it seems.)

    In the New World Order, however, the SJWs call “coveting thy neighbor’s goods” social justice … or the need for reparations to restore local and global equity between the world’s “haves” and its “have nots”. This, as they would have it, is a new version of Genesis and the original state of humanity before the evildoers committed their crimes.

    But I call it “cashing out”: a simplistic process in which an advanced society that has reached the end of the road voluntarily redistributes its assets to all comers on a per capita basis. Yes, it’s insane. Unfortunately, the rot has spread to the point that the desire to “cash out” now includes many of the children of the alleged criminals — the Millennials and Generation Z for starters. Many of the children of White Patriarchs (a.k.a. criminals) apparently recognize the heist for what it is and want their share of their parents’ assets, too, before they’re gone. So, they likewise work on their versions of intersectional oppression in order to queue up at the front door and await their turn to unburden their parents of their possessions and their guilt … before the Hindi, African, and other immigrant mobs finish looting the place.

    That, it seems, is the whiff waff of the Democratic Party and its trifling political aspirations. The Democrats want to be in charge of a massive wealth redistribution process of historic dimensions; it’s that simple. Indeed, they have enjoined the support of millions of illegal immigrants and other disaffected populations to empower them and help pull this off — the heist of the millennium.

    Why work for your deserts in life when you can add up your Pokemon Points from inventive forms of intersectional oppression and turn them in for reparation checks from a society you didn’t build?

    Yes, none of this can pass the “laugh test”! So, what is enabling all of this nonsense? What makes our citizens so gullible as to wantingly commit cultural, religious, economic, and national suicide?

  131. @Corvinus
    "Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice. Smart phones alone guarantee that."

    You always seem to know when to bring humor to a serious situation!

    Type and go. Smartphones drive third world immigration. Even some one in the Congo can see the gibs.

    So dominate.. make gibs = White dudes bossing Congolese around visibly on social media. Or get dominated by the Congolese. Like that video where the African stops a car in Germany before finding out its occupants are Poles who knock him out.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Type and go. Smartphones drive third world immigration."

    You mean smartphones are the epitome of our technology. Third world immigration is the result of first world greed. Get with the program.

    "White dudes bossing Congolese around visibly on social media. Or get dominated by the Congolese."

    Like I said, you are hilarious. Sometimes I believe you make these outrageous comments just for show, that you enjoy being an Internet clown.
  132. @Whiskey
    Type and go. Smartphones drive third world immigration. Even some one in the Congo can see the gibs.

    So dominate.. make gibs = White dudes bossing Congolese around visibly on social media. Or get dominated by the Congolese. Like that video where the African stops a car in Germany before finding out its occupants are Poles who knock him out.

    “Type and go. Smartphones drive third world immigration.”

    You mean smartphones are the epitome of our technology. Third world immigration is the result of first world greed. Get with the program.

    “White dudes bossing Congolese around visibly on social media. Or get dominated by the Congolese.”

    Like I said, you are hilarious. Sometimes I believe you make these outrageous comments just for show, that you enjoy being an Internet clown.

  133. @Cagey Beast
    Mountbatten died the way he lived: getting subordinates killed with his dilettantism. "He lacked situational awareness" was my Dad's ruling on the affair. "Ireland is a hard country; never forget that" was my grandmother's advice, more generally. It goes without saying that Mountbatten never met my grandmother.

    Cagey Beast:

    The reason why Mountbatten was even in Ireland was because of the tolerance of the overwhelming majority of the Irish. Of course this tolerance was not shared by the group that did him in.

    And anyway, true-blue English Tories did not shed many tears about Mountbatten’s send-off since he and his Jewish wife were disdainfully regarded as progressive liberals!

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  134. @Cagey Beast
    Yes, the Harold & Kumar coalition were told the Jewish guy is cool, so leave him alone. The real danger is out there in Hillbilly country, 10 miles from Princeton in any direction.

    Yes, the Harold & Kumar coalition were told the Jewish guy is cool, so leave him alone. The real danger is out there in Hillbilly country, 10 miles from Princeton in any direction.

    “If there is hope, it lies in the proles.”

  135. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    “This is why the Civil Rights movement was a disaster. Whites are either slaves or masters. No middle choice.”

    Racial diversity is a zero sum game: the losses of one side will be gained in equal measure by another; there is no mutual benefit between parties, at least politically. Humans, especially Europeans, don’t seem to grasp this fundamental fact. By extending rights to another, you aren’t just giving them something such that all people are then relatively equal as individuals (fairness principle). Rather, you are transferring a portion of your relative political strength as a group to another, weakening your group and yourself by extension. This makes your group more vulnerable to assault by the second, potentially hostile, group. This is why democracy does not work in any society without a clear racial or ethnic majority. One group will serve and one group will rule. Preferably, said majority should also be a market-dominant majority (as opposed to market-dominant minority) to reduce racial tensions. The US will have the latter, and very soon.

    Previously, the elite promoted all manner of conspiracy theories* ranging from institutional racism and stereotype threat to white privilege and toxic masculinity to explain away relative white (especially white male) success in what’s billed as a meritocracy, which the country still is to some degree, despite hidden biases of geography and history. This was an effort to quell racial tensions as envious minorities saw white males doing better than them: inventing more, writing better books, making better movies, etc. However, it is now clear that no matter what the government does (think of all the previous failures – Common Core, Headstart, Section 8 housing, etc.), there will be a separation by racial group in terms of achievement. This has a genetic component, to a degree, and that fact is becoming implicitly obvious to all. Therefore, the old narrative is falling away – aided by white rejection of continual racial insults – and naked racial aggression is now being embraced by POC; hence, these racist House reparations hearings. What POC cannot create or earn themselves will be stolen from their competitors. Exactly that happens across the world and has throughout history. How could the WW2/Boomer elite not see that when they opened up the borders? Were they blind or perhaps just greedy? “Loot the country now and let it be someone else’s problem later. Let’s sit back and grill. Go ‘Murica. Break out the Tom Clancy novels ya’ll. Gotta get them Ruskies.”? Both maybe?

    I favor the greed explanation. Here’s a video where an award-winning Canadian journalist talks about the possibility of a second American civil war**. Of course, this guy gets the reasoning wrong as he has to cloak the real reasons behind a curtain of virtue signalling and extreme naivety about how human nature really works, but he does mention the subject. Tellingly, he mentions famed republican pollster Frank Luntz in his speech. He mentions that Luntz also privately discusses this possibility, which be believes to be an eventuality; Luntz even considered buying a home in New Zealand to escape when it happens! THEY KNOW. They just don’t talk about it. They want to loot as much as possible and get out while the getting is good:

    In the future, you should expect envious minorities who can’t compete in the fair market to take out their anger on white Europeans, just as they did in Zimbabwe and as they are doing now in South Africa with land appropriations without compensation. They will embrace every vengeance tactic known, crippling the United State’s ability to compete economically with China and driving a wedge between this racially amalgamated empire and the rest of the Western industrialized world: Japan, South Korea, and the EU. In fact, if you look closely, this is already happening. The EU continues to take steps quietly distancing themselves from the US while the Japanese government is becoming much more proactive diplomatically with countries vital to their geopolitical and economic security, namely Iran and the Philippines. They see the writing on the wall.

    That’s the future of the United States, and you shouldn’t expect the Glenn Beck “muh constitutionalism” to protect you, either. That’s a “living document” up to interpretation and reinterpretation at a moment’s notice by whomever controls the government. The democrats will soon be the sole political party in at the national level in the United States. They will control congress, the courts, and the White House indefinitely thanks to demographic change instigated by various past “immigration reforms” and amnesties.

    Either the empire starts to collapse in the next 15 years or it turns into a version of the Soviet Union where there is an upper echelon of society (determined in this case by race loyalty and extremist SJW politics) and a mass of proles at the bottom, abused and brainwashed 24/7. I predict some of both. The world will partly distance themselves from the US under president Stacy Abrams while the government revokes the First Amendment using some sly pretext (example: create private monopolies that control discourse, then have said companies regulate freedoms in accordance to their TOS restrictions; then claim “the constitution only mentions the government” and people will come to believe they really have no freedoms at all when this result was never the original intention of the document).

    Personally, I can’t imagine Europe and East Asian allies want to be ruled by president Stacy Abrams or Kamala Harris. And one day, we’ll get them or someone like them in the White House. Any group that would torch Confederate statues, advocate sandblasting Stone Mountain, and write op-eds (as Slate did) advocating the destruction of Mount Rushmore with clear racist motivations in mind will not respect European cultural integrity or Japanese immigration policies. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the future POC government turned on Europe when they finish off white Americans with demands they make restitution to fellow POCs across the world for the supposed past evils of colonialism, their motivation clearly being racial vengeance spurred on by envy.

    It’s baked in the cake at this point. Nothing you can do about it, either. Trump bet the house on “muh Reaganism” and lost everything. Game over. Trump will lose the 2020 election, and that’s even without the recession that is coming by the first half of 2020.

    *A host of other conspiracy theories, too. Men discriminate against women in hiring? Nope. Men favor women; an Australian study was shut down mid-cycle when that result was made public. Minorities have to work harder than whites? Nope. A study showed whites work about 11% harder in the workplace. Minorities have to work twice as hard as whites for half the work (conspiracy once promoted on Law&Order: SVU)? Nope. It’s been known for a while that blacks can score much less than Ivy League institutional averages and still get into prestigious colleges; lots of whites score what high-performing, Ivy League-admitted blacks get on their SATs but have to settle for state schools, instead. Then there’s all the added housing costs inflicted on whites (and other racial groups) as they have to continually flee encroaching, high-crime groups; the burden whites face in getting their kids into schools without disruptive POCs; … then there is all the affirmative action which increases thresholds for whites, especially white males, to get anything.

    Yet that group still succeeds despite all the discrimination and hate directed against them, albeit with increasing intragroup suicide rates and economic inequality, stoking POC envy-hate even more. Thus, we get things like #oscarssowhite … even though blacks are actually over represented in movies and television (if every white screenwriter wrote for people like himself, every director cast people like himself, and every casting agent cast people who looked like themselves, then blacks would have had essentially no place in the country’s best movies over the last 30 – 40 years. For instance, Morgan Freeman’s character in the Shawshank Redemption was supposed to be an Irishman, hence the name “Red”; the movie was directed by a white male, the screenplay was written by a white male, and the original story was penned by a white male). Despite all that white males have given POC, undeserved, these bigots want more…and more…and more. There is no satisfying racial envy, apparently.

    **Unfortunately for the Qanon hoaxers, I’ve gamed this scenario: Blue States win hands down, maybe 8 out of 10 times. Vox Day had an article on from a hoaxer posting on Reddit claiming to be from the deepstate. Hoaxer claimed otherwise. That’s nonsense, unfortunately. Not only will the POC and their traitorous deepstate allies win***, they will win big. You guys should be similarly considering an exit strategy. How knows, maybe you’ll meet Frank Luntz in New Zealand someday?

    ***Look at South Africa. Lots of rich whites betrayed their own kind. Personal gain trumps racial loyalty for Europeans. Those rich South African whites live behind huge walls patrolled by small armies of private security while the poor white Afrikaners live on the margins of society. Don’t think there will be any solidarity here when it goes down. Nope. Every man for himself.

  136. @PaceLaw
    Hmmmm . . . seems like a charming fellow. Blue Lives Matter? Lol!

    That ain’t no fella:

    That, old chap, happens to be Kali. Nice Indian goddess-except when she’s angry, then she tends to destroy things, what?

    • Replies: @Estados Unidos
    Added note:

    According to Hinduism, we are currently living in the Kali Yuga-a period
    marked by wars, conflict, dissension, divisiveness.

  137. @Estados Unidos
    That ain't no fella:

    That, old chap, happens to be Kali. Nice Indian goddess-except when she's angry, then she tends to destroy things, what?

    Added note:

    According to Hinduism, we are currently living in the Kali Yuga-a period
    marked by wars, conflict, dissension, divisiveness.

    • Replies: @sayless
    “The Kali Yuga is rich in quarrels.”
  138. @Corvinus
    Invade the world, invite the world karma, as one could reasonably state.

    Speaking of Indians (dot, not feathers)...

    Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during British colonial rule.

    1) It was governed by a foreign nation;

    2) It did not bring in immigrants;

    3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army;

    4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    #CorvyLogic: Before the British, much of India was dominated by a conquest dynasty of Turko-Persian extraction. Accordingly, the USA-born in 1776-must atone for that. It’s *karma*. Jesus! Mike Cernovich!

    • Replies: @Escher
    Mr. Mehta should ask Turkey, Iran and the central asian "Stans" to pay reparations for the many millions killed and enslaved during the Muslim invasions of India.
  139. Cool Steve, we’ve known this for years now.

    What’s the plan going forward?

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  140. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    Moar of this. Much moar. The clarity is refreshing.

    It will help Whites wake up.

    These people hate you. They hate you. They want your country and they want your stuff.

    They want you and your kind gone. And you are inviting more of them in every day.

    Wake up already.

  141. @Logan
    Like the Irish, had the Indians ever stuck together they could have bounced the British all the way out.

    But instead they fought and feuded among themselves and gave an opening to foreign conquest.

    India has been conquered, in full or part, by many, many peoples. The British, by any logical accounting, gave more to India than any other of its conquerors.

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger. This is despite the fact that many of these angry Indians are, or claim to be, descended from earlier conquerors.

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger.

    I guess you didn’t read Sailer’s intro.

    This Indian is condemning America for what Britain did. He has it out for America, not Britain.

    Which is interesting, given that FDR tried to get Churchill to give India its independence. Churchill had a meltdown and ended the meeting. His primary goal in WW2 was not to kill Nazis but to preserve the empire.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of Indian animus towards America derives not from some imaginary assault on India from the U.S., but from British propaganda pumped into their heads and passed down through the generations. This is, in a way, a Commonwealth assault on America. And Britain, as always, is rubbing its hands with glee. Although they’re certainly getting a taste of it themselves, which makes me happy.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    No. It is people, as is their wont, taking advantage of opportunities.
    , @Anonymous
    America in 20 years has imported more Indians than Britain did in 70 years.
    , @Logan
    Quite possibly. Though his animus appears to be largely racial/racist. White Anglo Britain did (to his mind) bad things to India, so white Anglo America must also be guilty.

    He has apparently not noticed that white Anglo America is a rapidly decreasing minority.
  142. @James N. Kennett

    To soothe his wounded amour propre, Mehta has retconned a vision of South Asian history that is Indian supremacist crackpottery:

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…
     

     
    Indeed. Foreign occupation by the Mughals, and an incomplete pushback by the Marathas, left India divided before the British had even arrived. Religious divisions go back to that era, and bedevil the subcontinent to this day. South Asians sometimes blame the British for Partition, even though it can be seen more realistically as the resumption of the divisions that existed before the Pax Britannica.

    And this guy Mehta is a professor? Just goes to show that our universities aren’t worthy of that name. A very low standard, even for a journalism professor!

  143. @Cagey Beast
    I believe it's often the case that one stupidity can only be defeated by an even greater stupidity. Hubris is a form of stupidity. White, liberal-progressive hubris (centrism) is like a giant logjam of stupidity blocking our way forward. We can't dislodge this blockage on our own but we could eventually break it up if we keep directing big examples of other people's stupidity at it. Suketu Mehta's book is like a giant, old growth, pine timber of hubris rocketing down the river. The rest of us need to make sure his hubris smashes into the consciousness of Whites still entangled in 20th century hubris.

    I just watched a video by Morgoth that makes an argument complimentary to the one I made here but he uses a different metaphor. I like the image of John Cleese in Plato’s cave:

  144. @George
    The joke is the children of immigrants to the US eventually discover that foreign policy is a great government job. So I would expect Indian Americans to do what, one example, Cubans are doing, namely hijacking US foreign policy with their homeland. I fully expect America's foreign policy to be run by America's diversity. What exactly happens when all of America's diversity conflicting needs collide is interesting.

    FWIW one explanation for US involvement in WWI on the side of Britain is that the US had a large elite that was newly proud of their British ancestry. Needless to say America's German and Irish had no say in the matter.

    FWIW one explanation for US involvement in WWI on the side of Britain is that the US had a large elite that was newly proud of their British ancestry. Needless to say America’s German and Irish had no say in the matter.

    Yup. One of my distant relatives is a perfect example of this. He played the Englishman-on-Long-Island role during the early 1900s, drinking high tea and employing French governesses to raise the kids. When 1917 rolled around, he joined the Army and helped round up pissed off Irish, Germans and Puerto Rican conscripts in order to expedite their future gassing on French battlefields. When he got to the U.K. as a Major he expected to be treated kindly by the Brits, given all that he had done, but all they did was shit on him.

  145. It was a fine day at the subcaste picnic. All my caste-fellows, young, old, were playing cricket, eating, strolling by the New Jersey lake, and the old ladies were pleased that not one of us had yet married an American.

    Could you imagine how the first American to marry into that caste will be treated at their first picnic?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Likely very well.
  146. Bad-mouthing us behind our backs??? They seem to be calling for our extinction right to our faces.

  147. @peterike
    Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews. But they don't have the Jewish finesse of covering up their blatant anti-white animus with pretty lies about multi-culturalism or "social justice" or diversity. They just come right out and say they want their pound of flesh because revenge, and because whitey must be destroyed.

    And naturally, they are forming alliances with Jews everywhere. There aren't enough Jews to run things without a mandarin class. That used to be SWPL whites, but increasingly it's Asians. Get enough Asians into America and you can dispense with whites entirely.

    Sounds like a plan.

    ‘…Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews…’

    Meh. ‘Troublesome Asians’ are like that horrible creature the New York Times created. They’re pets of the Left; people who have discovered a niche occupation. Stop feeding them, and they’ll stop showing up on your porch.

    Most Asians — and most Hispanics — don’t bother their pretty little heads about this crap. This differs from, say, Blacks and Jews.

  148. @Estados Unidos
    Added note:

    According to Hinduism, we are currently living in the Kali Yuga-a period
    marked by wars, conflict, dissension, divisiveness.

    “The Kali Yuga is rich in quarrels.”

  149. @George
    The joke is the children of immigrants to the US eventually discover that foreign policy is a great government job. So I would expect Indian Americans to do what, one example, Cubans are doing, namely hijacking US foreign policy with their homeland. I fully expect America's foreign policy to be run by America's diversity. What exactly happens when all of America's diversity conflicting needs collide is interesting.

    FWIW one explanation for US involvement in WWI on the side of Britain is that the US had a large elite that was newly proud of their British ancestry. Needless to say America's German and Irish had no say in the matter.

    ‘…So I would expect Indian Americans to do what, one example, Cubans are doing, namely hijacking US foreign policy with their homeland…’

    You rather obviously veered away from the best example, didn’t you? Cubans, indeed.

  150. @Reg Cæsar

    Calcutta-born
     
    Ooh! You used the colonial spelling. You owe reparations just for that.

    NYU journalism professor
     
    Wasn't this profession more trustworthy when they were "reporters" with mere high-school diplomas?

    Suketu Mehta
     
    As I walking to St Ives
    I Mehta man with seven lives...

    He is Mehta-talking at us whites.

  151. @Redneck farmer
    I'll give credit (and permanent residency) to the first Indian who writes, "We come to help our Aryan brethren crush these Brunette People who annoy them".

    Bring it on, Blondie.

  152. @Cagey Beast
    Mountbatten died the way he lived: getting subordinates killed with his dilettantism. "He lacked situational awareness" was my Dad's ruling on the affair. "Ireland is a hard country; never forget that" was my grandmother's advice, more generally. It goes without saying that Mountbatten never met my grandmother.

    Mountbatten was also – literally – a cuck. His wife went around with everyone in sight.

    Any man who tolerates that is no man.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Mountbatten was also – literally – a cuck. His wife went around with everyone in sight.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460573/Downton-Abbey-inspiration-Leslie-Hutch-Hutchinson-affair-Countess-Edwina-Mountbatten.html

    I guess the rot goes way back. But maybe Mountbatten understood it as 'sexual imperialism'. Brits conquer the world and screw the world. They do as they like.
  153. @Mike Zwick

    It was a fine day at the subcaste picnic. All my caste-fellows, young, old, were playing cricket, eating, strolling by the New Jersey lake, and the old ladies were pleased that not one of us had yet married an American.
     
    Could you imagine how the first American to marry into that caste will be treated at their first picnic?

    Likely very well.

  154. @Bragadocious

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger.

     

    I guess you didn't read Sailer's intro.

    This Indian is condemning America for what Britain did. He has it out for America, not Britain.

    Which is interesting, given that FDR tried to get Churchill to give India its independence. Churchill had a meltdown and ended the meeting. His primary goal in WW2 was not to kill Nazis but to preserve the empire.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of Indian animus towards America derives not from some imaginary assault on India from the U.S., but from British propaganda pumped into their heads and passed down through the generations. This is, in a way, a Commonwealth assault on America. And Britain, as always, is rubbing its hands with glee. Although they're certainly getting a taste of it themselves, which makes me happy.

    No. It is people, as is their wont, taking advantage of opportunities.

  155. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Some people leapfrog.

    Others piggyback. Mehta and his kind piggybacks on white achievements even as they berate whites.

    If not for the world networks created by whites, would most Hindus even know of the larger world? China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.

    Somehow, I don’t think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.

    The new hostility seems the product of PC and contempt for white weakness. Or rather the combination of white weakness in attitude and white dominance in world affairs. After all, the World is even now dominated by the West.

    When the West is about speaking wussily but carrying a big stick, it must be awful frustrating. It is weak in rhetoric but strong in reality.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "China and India hardly paid attention to each other..."

    Man, that is some serious stupid.

    Why on earth do you think most people believe the Buddha was a fat, smiling Chinese guy, instead of what he really was -- a blond White North Indian guy? (The Buddha of course would have insisted that he was not any particular sort of "guy" at all, but that's irrelevant to the historicism claim here.)
    , @Anonymous

    Somehow, I don’t think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.
     
    The same thought occurred to me last year after watching Charaluta, Satyajit Ray's 1964 film about the wandering affections of lonely Bengali housewife in the late 19th-century.

    While the focus of the movie is on the personal relationships between the wife, husband, and his poetry-loving cousin(with whom she falls in love), the backdrop is that the husband is a workaholic pro-independence newspaper publisher who's too busy to really connect his wife.

    Given the setting and the period which it was made(less than two decades after Indian independence), you might reasonably expect the film to feature plenty of anti-British animus. It contains virtually none. The husband is actually an ardent admirer of the British intellect. He wants desperately to send his cousin to study in England. He just thinks that the British have a blind spot when it comes to the Indians, and he wants this fixed. There was no desire for revenge or to turn London into Dhaka-on-Thames.
    , @Anonymous

    I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.
     
    Nehru's generation was very nuanced in its feelings about the British. They asked Lord Mountbatten to stay on as Governor-General of India after Independence. The Indian Army chief was British until the mid-1950s, and several elite British civil servants, too, stayed on in India after independence, until retirement.

    Churchill had kind things to say about Nehru when he finally met him, after Indian independence, and vice-versa. But then, both Nehru and Churchill went to Harrow, as schoolboys.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPcPd7AVEAE1VKp.jpg

    , @Anonymous
    'China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.'

    Silk road etc?
  156. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    Mountbatten going to Ireland in 1979 reminds me of Pinochet going to Britain in 1998. Old men are stubborn and set in their ways and slow to see that the world has changed.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I think he had been going to Ireland for years. Was it really more dangerous in 1979?
  157. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger.

     

    I guess you didn't read Sailer's intro.

    This Indian is condemning America for what Britain did. He has it out for America, not Britain.

    Which is interesting, given that FDR tried to get Churchill to give India its independence. Churchill had a meltdown and ended the meeting. His primary goal in WW2 was not to kill Nazis but to preserve the empire.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of Indian animus towards America derives not from some imaginary assault on India from the U.S., but from British propaganda pumped into their heads and passed down through the generations. This is, in a way, a Commonwealth assault on America. And Britain, as always, is rubbing its hands with glee. Although they're certainly getting a taste of it themselves, which makes me happy.

    America in 20 years has imported more Indians than Britain did in 70 years.

  158. Anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    Mountbatten was also - literally - a cuck. His wife went around with everyone in sight.

    Any man who tolerates that is no man.

    Mountbatten was also – literally – a cuck. His wife went around with everyone in sight.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460573/Downton-Abbey-inspiration-Leslie-Hutch-Hutchinson-affair-Countess-Edwina-Mountbatten.html

    I guess the rot goes way back. But maybe Mountbatten understood it as ‘sexual imperialism’. Brits conquer the world and screw the world. They do as they like.

  159. @Anonymous
    Useless radical shit-talking by an ivory tower scribbler. The idiot from India ensconced in the NYU liberal bubble is just trying to sing louder than the chorus so he is heard above the cacophony that is today's political discourse in the Trump era. Most people think reparations for Black people is outlandish, this fellow is trying to take that to even more absurd levels. That makes this unoriginal as fvck as well. This is just opportunistic rantings of an elite Hindu with a giant chip on his shoulder. I don't think there are many takes for this idea.

    The whole American liberal project is anchored on the original problem - the history and the current condition of America's Black community. All the browns and others are just just piggy-backing on that. They will find that out soon enough that it is not about them, and that there are too many other types of non-black "thems" and that they just have to fight each other for their spot behind Blacks, when the Democratic party becomes the non-white or the anti-white party as most whites desert it (or are expelled from it) in next decade or so. Reparations for non-Blacks, my azz.

    The whole American liberal project is anchored on the original problem – the history and the current condition of America’s Black community.

    Disagree with original problem, although it is a problem. The original problem is that America attracted a few tribes from England and Scotland that carried over ancient grievences. The son shall carry on the grudge of his father. The daughter shall follow her mother, look to her father, and wait to see who wins. The grievances are likely ancient and rooted deeply in gene and culture.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    Disagree with original problem, although it is a problem. The original problem is that America attracted a few tribes from England and Scotland that carried over ancient grievences. The son shall carry on the grudge of his father. The daughter shall follow her mother, look to her father, and wait to see who wins. The grievances are likely ancient and rooted deeply in gene and culture.

     

    You read Albion's Seed, eh?
  160. Suketu Mehta: “There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980.”

    NJGuy73: “OK, you can all come to America. We’ll squeeze all of you into Montana and Wyoming.”

    Mehta: “Nah, we’re good where we are.”

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    NJGuy73: “OK, you can all come to America. We’ll squeeze all of you into Montana and Wyoming.”
     
    Please no. I like Montana and Wyoming as they are.
    , @Anonymous

    “There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980.”
     
    There's enough space in India to hold all 7 billion people. Send all Chinese and Africans there.
    , @Tex

    Suketu Mehta: “There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980.”
     
    The only thing more stunning than Mehta's vicious anti-white bigotry is his total lack of awareness of economics, environment, standards of living, or infrastructure. If we put up enough tents, we could fit about 3 billion in Texas alone. Just line 'em up all the way to the Caprock. Shoot Texas is big enough that you would have enough room for the tent lines too. Now getting enough pegs could be a problem. Immigrants would definitely need to share hammers.

    And that's how you plan for open borders. Of course these are the same bunch that assured us that each random Senegalese or Bangladeshi sleeping on a sidewalk represented MILYUNS of dollars in national wealth. I know that my paycheck gets a bonus for every busload of Congolese dropped off in Santone.

    More shanty towns! It's only fair! And we'll be rich I tells ya! Rich beyond your wildest dreams!
  161. anon[491] • Disclaimer says:

    I favor the greed explanation. Here’s a video where an award-winning Canadian journalist talks about the possibility of a second American civil war**. Of course, this guy gets the reasoning wrong as he has to cloak the real reasons behind a curtain of virtue signalling and extreme naivety about how human nature really works, but he does mention the subject. Tellingly, he mentions famed republican pollster Frank Luntz in his speech. He mentions that Luntz also privately discusses this possibility, which be believes to be an eventuality; Luntz even considered buying a home in New Zealand to escape when it happens! THEY KNOW. They just don’t talk about it. They want to loot as much as possible and get out while the getting is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebAQg6YG1nw

    The journalist, Jonathan Roth, does talk about (@18:00) a Norwegian study done on civil wars 1960-2013. “Do ethnic demographic changes trigger war? When the dominant majority is 80% of a population…”the risk of civil conflict is less likely. On the other hand, a weak majority has a positive effect on civil war, signalling that when the majority is losing its share, the risk of conflict is likely to increase.”

    This isn’t exactly news to most people here but always good to see the subject being discussed IRL. Strong horses and weak horses. Elemental human nature.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Makes sense. When numbers are close and growing closer, the underdogs may think they have something to gain by winning a conflict. At the same time, the legacy majority knows its grip is slipping away, feels they have nothing to lose, and figures they should strike when their advantage is at it's greatest.

    Of course you can still have immigration while still preserving desirable ratios that maintain stability. Singapore has shown this. If you look at its demographic breakdown into the three main groups(Chinese, Indian, Malay), the ratios have barely changed since 1970, even though there's been plenty of immigration. Immigration probably helped given the post-1960's gulf in fertility between Chinese and Malays. I don't know if this was official policy but I'd have to think this was something the government controlled. Of course Singapore is run by serious people.
  162. @Anonymous
    Some people leapfrog.

    Others piggyback. Mehta and his kind piggybacks on white achievements even as they berate whites.

    If not for the world networks created by whites, would most Hindus even know of the larger world? China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.

    Somehow, I don't think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I'm willing to bet Nehru's generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.

    The new hostility seems the product of PC and contempt for white weakness. Or rather the combination of white weakness in attitude and white dominance in world affairs. After all, the World is even now dominated by the West.

    When the West is about speaking wussily but carrying a big stick, it must be awful frustrating. It is weak in rhetoric but strong in reality.

    “China and India hardly paid attention to each other…”

    Man, that is some serious stupid.

    Why on earth do you think most people believe the Buddha was a fat, smiling Chinese guy, instead of what he really was — a blond White North Indian guy? (The Buddha of course would have insisted that he was not any particular sort of “guy” at all, but that’s irrelevant to the historicism claim here.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I know buddha had blue eyes, but where are you getting that he had white skin and yellow hair?
    , @Anonymous
    Buddhism was rejected by India and caught on parts of East Asia. It was never dominant in China. It was bigger in Southeast Asia.

    Apart from Buddhism, few Indian ideas made it into China, and Indian cultures seems totally different from China. Now, some southeast asian nations have a blend of Indian and Chinese cultures like Thailand. As for Indonesia and Malaysia, it seems Muslims outdid both Hindus and Chinese.
  163. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Some people leapfrog.

    Others piggyback. Mehta and his kind piggybacks on white achievements even as they berate whites.

    If not for the world networks created by whites, would most Hindus even know of the larger world? China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.

    Somehow, I don't think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I'm willing to bet Nehru's generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.

    The new hostility seems the product of PC and contempt for white weakness. Or rather the combination of white weakness in attitude and white dominance in world affairs. After all, the World is even now dominated by the West.

    When the West is about speaking wussily but carrying a big stick, it must be awful frustrating. It is weak in rhetoric but strong in reality.

    Somehow, I don’t think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.

    The same thought occurred to me last year after watching Charaluta, Satyajit Ray’s 1964 film about the wandering affections of lonely Bengali housewife in the late 19th-century.

    While the focus of the movie is on the personal relationships between the wife, husband, and his poetry-loving cousin(with whom she falls in love), the backdrop is that the husband is a workaholic pro-independence newspaper publisher who’s too busy to really connect his wife.

    Given the setting and the period which it was made(less than two decades after Indian independence), you might reasonably expect the film to feature plenty of anti-British animus. It contains virtually none. The husband is actually an ardent admirer of the British intellect. He wants desperately to send his cousin to study in England. He just thinks that the British have a blind spot when it comes to the Indians, and he wants this fixed. There was no desire for revenge or to turn London into Dhaka-on-Thames.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The same thought occurred to me last year after watching Charaluta, Satyajit Ray’s 1964 film about the wandering affections of lonely Bengali housewife in the late 19th-century.
     
    I was thinking of Ray's films while making the earlier comment. I'm sure there was a lot of bitter feelings but there was also a sense of appreciation and respect.
    Also among Jews, those who experienced 'antisemitism' in the past seem to have been more admiring of whites than today's Jews who never experienced anything but power and privilege. While it's probably true that Woody Allen is one of those hostile Jewish types, there is a sense of admiration and elegy about the passing Wasp order in movies like INTERIORS and ANOTHER WOMAN. It's like a part of him is sad to see it fading away. Wasps may have been cold and exclusive, but they did represent a model of what striving Jews wanted to be. Spielberg is another hostile Jewish type, but his movies do have a nostalgic feel for Old America and its norms.
    But some of today's Jews who had it so much better seem totally batshit crazy. Coens, though younger, seem to be operating in a similar mode.

    Maybe part of the reason is the sudden proximity to power. There was a time when India was a basketcase. In the 80s, the South Korean economy was bigger than all of Indian economy. India was written off as a lost cause, much like Africa. China seemed to outpace India and leave it in the dust. But then, with the internet and globalism came the Indian boom, and Indians began to feel a new kind of pride. And as they moved to nations like UK, Canada, and US, they realized the once formidable and awesome whites were weak of will and confidence. With booming Indian economy and massive Indian immigration to white nations, they could sense their hour has arrived for the Hindu Place in the Sun. They could now be world players.

    Thus, Indian mindset went from defensive nationalism to confident imperialism. Now, why would this change of mindset make Indians even more obnoxious and hypocritical? Because the more one's power grows, the more one is desperate to conceal one's hegemonist ambitions with moral-sounding rhetoric. In a way, Indians are taking a page out of the American Imperialist handbook. Notice Anglo-Americans have been among the biggest conquerors and aggressors in the world. They took land from Indians, grabbed SW territories from Mexico, took over the Pacific. They treat Latin America as its backyard, and they recently destroyed the Middle East. All instances of aggression and imperialism. To justify all that, the US had to make a lot of moral noises about how it's spreading prosperity, liberty, justice, democracy, peace, and etc. Just consider the sheer obnoxiousness of America under Bush, Obama, and Trump. Meddling in North Africa, Middle East, Ukraine, and Venezuela but always acting like the moral champion and defenders of truth, justice, and peace. The same with Jews. The more power they have, the more they strain to lend it moral cover, and they do this by calling everyone a 'nazi' or 'antisemite' or accusing Iran of wanting to wipe Israel off the map or Putin of being New Hitler or meddling in US elections.

    Hindus are eager learners. They now see themselves as global players with a chance of gaining hegemony over Anglo nations with massive immigration, elite success, and clan networking. India has land mass, a smart elite, lots of expendable work force, and population growth, a key to empire-building. Anglo empire cratered once Anglos no longer produced enough babies. When Anglos were producing lots of kids, they were more agents of the empire to spread out over the world and colonize other territories. Now, it is India's turn to do that. Africans have the numbers but not much brains. India has both numbers and the brains(at elite levels at least).

    With imperial ambition and need to morally conceal such ambition, Hindus may be turning to PC hysteria. But is it any more obnoxious that the US's utterly bogus moral hysterics about Iran and Russia?

    Anyway, the great irony is Mehta has no idea how much he is aping the way of whites.

    , @Dr Van Nostrand
    Satyajit Ray like most Bengalis are Anglophiles. An argument can be made the very existence of a seperate Bengali ethnicity owes its existance to the British. The "terrorism" of Bengali revolutionaries as well as "subversion" of Subhash Chandra Bose who cast his lot with the Axis powers can be explained as a quest for equality with the British which was denied to them. All of these guys were upper caste and English educated and often like Bose did study in England itself.
  164. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Srs, no review for Dragged Across Concrete? We sat through reviews of La La Land, My Stupid Ex-Girlfriend, 5 irrelevant Cohen movies, and a bunch of other crap, and the first Alt-Right Post-Racial movie comes along and no review? Well that’s a fine how do you do! Spoiler Alert: I haven’t seen it yet

  165. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: In case anyone was wondering, three suspects have been arrested in relation to the Raptors parade shootings. Interesting, the CBC article(link) actually includes court sketches of the suspects, though given their names, there wouldn’t be much doubt of their vibrancy. A lot of newspapers kept the incident off the front page. Of course the CBC does not allow comments on the article. The names:

    Shaquille Anthony Miller
    Abdikarim Kerow
    Thaino Toussaint

    Obviously very Canadian.

  166. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "China and India hardly paid attention to each other..."

    Man, that is some serious stupid.

    Why on earth do you think most people believe the Buddha was a fat, smiling Chinese guy, instead of what he really was -- a blond White North Indian guy? (The Buddha of course would have insisted that he was not any particular sort of "guy" at all, but that's irrelevant to the historicism claim here.)

    I know buddha had blue eyes, but where are you getting that he had white skin and yellow hair?

  167. Steve, how much did you pay him?

  168. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I favor the greed explanation. Here’s a video where an award-winning Canadian journalist talks about the possibility of a second American civil war**. Of course, this guy gets the reasoning wrong as he has to cloak the real reasons behind a curtain of virtue signalling and extreme naivety about how human nature really works, but he does mention the subject. Tellingly, he mentions famed republican pollster Frank Luntz in his speech. He mentions that Luntz also privately discusses this possibility, which be believes to be an eventuality; Luntz even considered buying a home in New Zealand to escape when it happens! THEY KNOW. They just don’t talk about it. They want to loot as much as possible and get out while the getting is good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebAQg6YG1nw
     
    The journalist, Jonathan Roth, does talk about (@18:00) a Norwegian study done on civil wars 1960-2013. "Do ethnic demographic changes trigger war? When the dominant majority is 80% of a population..."the risk of civil conflict is less likely. On the other hand, a weak majority has a positive effect on civil war, signalling that when the majority is losing its share, the risk of conflict is likely to increase."

    This isn't exactly news to most people here but always good to see the subject being discussed IRL. Strong horses and weak horses. Elemental human nature.

    Makes sense. When numbers are close and growing closer, the underdogs may think they have something to gain by winning a conflict. At the same time, the legacy majority knows its grip is slipping away, feels they have nothing to lose, and figures they should strike when their advantage is at it’s greatest.

    Of course you can still have immigration while still preserving desirable ratios that maintain stability. Singapore has shown this. If you look at its demographic breakdown into the three main groups(Chinese, Indian, Malay), the ratios have barely changed since 1970, even though there’s been plenty of immigration. Immigration probably helped given the post-1960’s gulf in fertility between Chinese and Malays. I don’t know if this was official policy but I’d have to think this was something the government controlled. Of course Singapore is run by serious people.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    The only reason Singapore manages to keep the ethnic ratio stable is because the mass immigration is predominantly from one place: the PRC. The Singaporean Chinese have the lowest birthrate in the world, despite massive time and effort spent by the government to try and "correct" that. This is not popular given the massive cultural divergences between the mainlanders and the Singaporean Chinese, as well as the artificially depressed wages/increased housing costs that results from any mass immigration program into an already-crowded area. But it does the job.

    (Even the Malays are below replacement rate now. But the Chinese... what is it, .83 per woman?)

    As for the United States, the more men like Mehta become the public face of our intellgentsia's views on race and immigration policy, and the more oomph they have on policy already dictated largely by the alliance between Economic Right and Cultural Left, the more white identity politics-and even nationalism-is going to become on some level among a majority of legacy white Americans. To anyone with a rudimentary understanding of human nature, this should be a rather obvious prediction, but as always, our elites-economic, cultural, and political-don't seem to have that.

    , @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know if this was official policy but I’d have to think this was something the government controlled.
     
    Correct. To add to your observations, Ethnic ratios are tightly controlled by the Singapore government by granting permanent residence permits selectively. Singapore "permanent" residence, unlike green cards in the United States, have to be renewed every five years. Renewals are not automatic, and certain ethnicities (i.e. Chinese) are encouraged to "convert" to citizenship, or risk losing residence. As Indian professionals in particular have found in recent years, the Singapore government felt they were over-represented, and renewals were, in some cases, refused.

    The Singapore government also controls ethnic ratios in its "public" housing, which are simply owner-occupied Housing Development Board apartments built by the government and priced somewhat more affordably than other housing. Rules on whom residents can sell their apartments to keep ethnic ratios in neighborhoods stable, and predominantly Chinese.

    Singapore, like Japan, Korea, and China, is not big on diversity for diversities sake, and certainly not in immigration policy.

    One of the more striking things about Singapore is how few black people you see there, even casual tourists from Africa. In a rare moment of candor, the Straits Times newspaper, a few years ago, revealed that the government almost always refuses tourist visas to Africans.
  169. This Metha guy is a gift.

    Every statement a lie, a non-sequitar, incoherent, confused, ahistorical, an insult, a threat or all of the above.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    This Metha guy is a gift.
     
    Yah, he's singing and dancing "I like to pee on America, I like to poo on America..."

    Anyway, it goes to show rich immigrants are worse than poor ones. Same from Latin America. White ones are often worse than the humble beaners.

    Rich Indians and white Latino elites are regarded with envy and resentment by the brown masses. So, what do they do to shore up their "I'm a victim too" narrative among their own national groups? They concoct elaborate rationales to pretend that their greedy ventures in America are all about justice and resistance against whitey.

    Diamond merchant bitching about dirt. Enough already.
  170. On the other hand, the author isn’t, technically, in Britain. He’s been living in the United States of America since his Gujarati diamond-merchant family arrived in Queens in 1977. As he sums up his manifesto:

    Is there any “profession” that screams “parasite!” or “useless eater!” louder than “diamond merchant”?

    Ok, now we have “gender studies professor”, but historically?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Is there any “profession” that screams “parasite!” or “useless eater!” louder than “diamond merchant”?
     
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/antwerp-s-diamond-business-jews-surrender-gem-trade-to-indians-a-416243.html

    Jews Surrender Gem Trade to Indians

    The Belgian city of Antwerp has the largest diamond market in the world. Orthodox Jews controlled the trade for centuries, but now globalization has seen them displaced by dealers hailing from India.
     
  171. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    It is every migrant’s dream to see the tables turned, to see long lines of Americans and Britons in front of the Bangladeshi or Mexican or Nigerian Embassy, begging for a residence visa.

    At least he’s being honest here. Most immigration proponents claim that being demographically replaced(and funding much of that replacement with white tax dollars) is awesome. They’re going to make your crappy country/town better!

    But at the same time these urban types never sing the same praises of backwoods whites who move to big cities. In fact, if hundreds of thousands of white mid-westerners were flooding into New York, Boston and Washington, I imagine it would cause quite a lot of consternation among the right kind of white people.

  172. Y’all know I love ta watch The Simpsons.
    Mah favorite episode was where the immigrant hires the ‘Merican. ‘member when Homer wanted to get Lisa a pony?
    Such vibrant melting pot diverse role reversal! Me an’ mah buddy Bay-rack agree this here’s whut ‘Merica’s all about.

    Oh – the money quote by my man Apu is at about 30 seconds in. Enjoy!

  173. @Anonymous
    Makes sense. When numbers are close and growing closer, the underdogs may think they have something to gain by winning a conflict. At the same time, the legacy majority knows its grip is slipping away, feels they have nothing to lose, and figures they should strike when their advantage is at it's greatest.

    Of course you can still have immigration while still preserving desirable ratios that maintain stability. Singapore has shown this. If you look at its demographic breakdown into the three main groups(Chinese, Indian, Malay), the ratios have barely changed since 1970, even though there's been plenty of immigration. Immigration probably helped given the post-1960's gulf in fertility between Chinese and Malays. I don't know if this was official policy but I'd have to think this was something the government controlled. Of course Singapore is run by serious people.

    The only reason Singapore manages to keep the ethnic ratio stable is because the mass immigration is predominantly from one place: the PRC. The Singaporean Chinese have the lowest birthrate in the world, despite massive time and effort spent by the government to try and “correct” that. This is not popular given the massive cultural divergences between the mainlanders and the Singaporean Chinese, as well as the artificially depressed wages/increased housing costs that results from any mass immigration program into an already-crowded area. But it does the job.

    (Even the Malays are below replacement rate now. But the Chinese… what is it, .83 per woman?)

    As for the United States, the more men like Mehta become the public face of our intellgentsia’s views on race and immigration policy, and the more oomph they have on policy already dictated largely by the alliance between Economic Right and Cultural Left, the more white identity politics-and even nationalism-is going to become on some level among a majority of legacy white Americans. To anyone with a rudimentary understanding of human nature, this should be a rather obvious prediction, but as always, our elites-economic, cultural, and political-don’t seem to have that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    My point was that mass immigration doesn't need to throw the ratios described by anon out of balance. In the Singapore case it preserved them. It would be harder for white nations because they don't have an endless supply of people from the largest ethnic group on the planet from which to draw immigrants. But then again most birthrates aren't nearly as low as Singapore.
    , @Pericles

    As for the United States, the more men like Mehta become the public face of our intellgentsia’s views on race and immigration policy

     

    Publisher: Farrar, Straus and Giroux
  174. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "China and India hardly paid attention to each other..."

    Man, that is some serious stupid.

    Why on earth do you think most people believe the Buddha was a fat, smiling Chinese guy, instead of what he really was -- a blond White North Indian guy? (The Buddha of course would have insisted that he was not any particular sort of "guy" at all, but that's irrelevant to the historicism claim here.)

    Buddhism was rejected by India and caught on parts of East Asia. It was never dominant in China. It was bigger in Southeast Asia.

    Apart from Buddhism, few Indian ideas made it into China, and Indian cultures seems totally different from China. Now, some southeast asian nations have a blend of Indian and Chinese cultures like Thailand. As for Indonesia and Malaysia, it seems Muslims outdid both Hindus and Chinese.

  175. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    The only reason Singapore manages to keep the ethnic ratio stable is because the mass immigration is predominantly from one place: the PRC. The Singaporean Chinese have the lowest birthrate in the world, despite massive time and effort spent by the government to try and "correct" that. This is not popular given the massive cultural divergences between the mainlanders and the Singaporean Chinese, as well as the artificially depressed wages/increased housing costs that results from any mass immigration program into an already-crowded area. But it does the job.

    (Even the Malays are below replacement rate now. But the Chinese... what is it, .83 per woman?)

    As for the United States, the more men like Mehta become the public face of our intellgentsia's views on race and immigration policy, and the more oomph they have on policy already dictated largely by the alliance between Economic Right and Cultural Left, the more white identity politics-and even nationalism-is going to become on some level among a majority of legacy white Americans. To anyone with a rudimentary understanding of human nature, this should be a rather obvious prediction, but as always, our elites-economic, cultural, and political-don't seem to have that.

    My point was that mass immigration doesn’t need to throw the ratios described by anon out of balance. In the Singapore case it preserved them. It would be harder for white nations because they don’t have an endless supply of people from the largest ethnic group on the planet from which to draw immigrants. But then again most birthrates aren’t nearly as low as Singapore.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    No, I agree that immigration doesn't necessarily have to throw demographics out of whack. But the kind of all-but-explicit racial hierarchy that Singapore has with immigration is never going to be politically feasible in the United States, even if there was the wider pool of European emigrants necessary to pull a turn-of-the-century Brazil. What's more, the past half-century has already happened and is continuing to happen. Best to focus on the future with the resulting at-all-costs assimilation that'll be needed.

    Now, the US could try the Israel route and focus on middle-class fertility boosting policies while not allowing the petty needs of oligarchs to dominate immigration policy. But, you know, that's even more ridiculous. As the GOP would no doubt interject: "Will somebody please think of the Job Creators!"

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/9ydabk/wont_somebody_please_think_of_the_children/

  176. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Somehow, I don’t think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.
     
    The same thought occurred to me last year after watching Charaluta, Satyajit Ray's 1964 film about the wandering affections of lonely Bengali housewife in the late 19th-century.

    While the focus of the movie is on the personal relationships between the wife, husband, and his poetry-loving cousin(with whom she falls in love), the backdrop is that the husband is a workaholic pro-independence newspaper publisher who's too busy to really connect his wife.

    Given the setting and the period which it was made(less than two decades after Indian independence), you might reasonably expect the film to feature plenty of anti-British animus. It contains virtually none. The husband is actually an ardent admirer of the British intellect. He wants desperately to send his cousin to study in England. He just thinks that the British have a blind spot when it comes to the Indians, and he wants this fixed. There was no desire for revenge or to turn London into Dhaka-on-Thames.

    The same thought occurred to me last year after watching Charaluta, Satyajit Ray’s 1964 film about the wandering affections of lonely Bengali housewife in the late 19th-century.

    I was thinking of Ray’s films while making the earlier comment. I’m sure there was a lot of bitter feelings but there was also a sense of appreciation and respect.
    Also among Jews, those who experienced ‘antisemitism’ in the past seem to have been more admiring of whites than today’s Jews who never experienced anything but power and privilege. While it’s probably true that Woody Allen is one of those hostile Jewish types, there is a sense of admiration and elegy about the passing Wasp order in movies like INTERIORS and ANOTHER WOMAN. It’s like a part of him is sad to see it fading away. Wasps may have been cold and exclusive, but they did represent a model of what striving Jews wanted to be. Spielberg is another hostile Jewish type, but his movies do have a nostalgic feel for Old America and its norms.
    But some of today’s Jews who had it so much better seem totally batshit crazy. Coens, though younger, seem to be operating in a similar mode.

    Maybe part of the reason is the sudden proximity to power. There was a time when India was a basketcase. In the 80s, the South Korean economy was bigger than all of Indian economy. India was written off as a lost cause, much like Africa. China seemed to outpace India and leave it in the dust. But then, with the internet and globalism came the Indian boom, and Indians began to feel a new kind of pride. And as they moved to nations like UK, Canada, and US, they realized the once formidable and awesome whites were weak of will and confidence. With booming Indian economy and massive Indian immigration to white nations, they could sense their hour has arrived for the Hindu Place in the Sun. They could now be world players.

    Thus, Indian mindset went from defensive nationalism to confident imperialism. Now, why would this change of mindset make Indians even more obnoxious and hypocritical? Because the more one’s power grows, the more one is desperate to conceal one’s hegemonist ambitions with moral-sounding rhetoric. In a way, Indians are taking a page out of the American Imperialist handbook. Notice Anglo-Americans have been among the biggest conquerors and aggressors in the world. They took land from Indians, grabbed SW territories from Mexico, took over the Pacific. They treat Latin America as its backyard, and they recently destroyed the Middle East. All instances of aggression and imperialism. To justify all that, the US had to make a lot of moral noises about how it’s spreading prosperity, liberty, justice, democracy, peace, and etc. Just consider the sheer obnoxiousness of America under Bush, Obama, and Trump. Meddling in North Africa, Middle East, Ukraine, and Venezuela but always acting like the moral champion and defenders of truth, justice, and peace. The same with Jews. The more power they have, the more they strain to lend it moral cover, and they do this by calling everyone a ‘nazi’ or ‘antisemite’ or accusing Iran of wanting to wipe Israel off the map or Putin of being New Hitler or meddling in US elections.

    Hindus are eager learners. They now see themselves as global players with a chance of gaining hegemony over Anglo nations with massive immigration, elite success, and clan networking. India has land mass, a smart elite, lots of expendable work force, and population growth, a key to empire-building. Anglo empire cratered once Anglos no longer produced enough babies. When Anglos were producing lots of kids, they were more agents of the empire to spread out over the world and colonize other territories. Now, it is India’s turn to do that. Africans have the numbers but not much brains. India has both numbers and the brains(at elite levels at least).

    With imperial ambition and need to morally conceal such ambition, Hindus may be turning to PC hysteria. But is it any more obnoxious that the US’s utterly bogus moral hysterics about Iran and Russia?

    Anyway, the great irony is Mehta has no idea how much he is aping the way of whites.

  177. @Corvinus
    Invade the world, invite the world karma, as one could reasonably state.

    Speaking of Indians (dot, not feathers)...

    Dadabhai Naoroji, a professor and businessman, was the first Indian elected to the House of Commons (1892-1895). He proposed a thesis that focused on the drain of wealth from India into England during British colonial rule.

    1) It was governed by a foreign nation;

    2) It did not bring in immigrants;

    3) It paid for its civil administrations and occupational army;

    4) Its principal income earners would leave with the profits.

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Naoroji described this process as vampirism, with money being a metaphor for blood, which humanized India and attempted to show Great Britainʼs actions as monstrous in an effort to garner sympathy for a nationalist movement.

    If those whom the Crown ruled in Britain were vicariously liable for the crimes of their rulers, so were those whom the crown ruled in India.

    That should go without saying.

  178. @indocon
    "Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews."

    This is only and only because the white establishment allows it. Asians will be mostly acquiesce to the existing power structure, if tomorrow whitey establishment puts itself back again in the power structure, in a heartbeat you will see the next versions of Suketu Mehta praising Thomas Jefferson.

    There is no “ white establishment”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    There used to be.
  179. @ConfirmationBias
    Jesus these Indians... what a bum. Always asking for reparations and being all upset that the British raided their jewels and caused the Bengal famine. Wimps. Why can’t they shut up and toil toward becoming doctors, lawyers or engineers. If they were actually working their tails off to eventually become over-represented in some of the top schools, colleges, zip codes and high-paying professions, white folks wouldn’t have anything to complain about. Kick those bums back to where they came from. They’re not the *real* native Americans.

    “The British” never did jack shit to the Indians or anyone else.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    Lol. False. There were serious atrocities. Read up on the Bengal famine, Amritsar Massacre, and the GDP and socio-economic indicator of the average Indian during British rule of 100-150 years vs any other time before. History does not support your assertion.

    That said, they were flawed rulers. It’s good to recognize ‘shit happened’ as a nation, but then what progress comes from clinging on to past and weaponizing the so-called victimhood into a trophy?

    There was a time when the cry was not for reparations, but for acknowledgement. It helps in catharsis and closure and to move on. But sometimes the acknowledgement doesn’t come. And that sucks, but that’s that. It’s not going to stop a nation of strivers (if they truly are) from picking up and moving on.
  180. @njguy73
    Suketu Mehta: "There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980."

    NJGuy73: "OK, you can all come to America. We'll squeeze all of you into Montana and Wyoming."

    Mehta: "Nah, we're good where we are."

    NJGuy73: “OK, you can all come to America. We’ll squeeze all of you into Montana and Wyoming.”

    Please no. I like Montana and Wyoming as they are.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    Please no. I like Montana and Wyoming as they are.

     

    I was making a joke at those states' expense. The joke was that no one wants to live there, not even Indians seeking reparations.

    Or we could just stick them in my state. They'd think they stayed home.
  181. @AnotherDad

    On the other hand, the author isn’t, technically, in Britain. He’s been living in the United States of America since his Gujarati diamond-merchant family arrived in Queens in 1977. As he sums up his manifesto:
     
    Is there any "profession" that screams "parasite!" or "useless eater!" louder than "diamond merchant"?

    Ok, now we have "gender studies professor", but historically?

    Is there any “profession” that screams “parasite!” or “useless eater!” louder than “diamond merchant”?

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/antwerp-s-diamond-business-jews-surrender-gem-trade-to-indians-a-416243.html

    Jews Surrender Gem Trade to Indians

    The Belgian city of Antwerp has the largest diamond market in the world. Orthodox Jews controlled the trade for centuries, but now globalization has seen them displaced by dealers hailing from India.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Suketu Mehta is a Palanpuri Jain, from the sub-caste of diamond merchants that has moved into the Antwerp diamond trade. Before South Africa became the world's biggest source of diamonds, for centuries, India's mines in its Golconda province supplied most of the world's diamonds. Palanpuri Jains go way back, in the diamond trade.
  182. @Anonymous
    Makes sense. When numbers are close and growing closer, the underdogs may think they have something to gain by winning a conflict. At the same time, the legacy majority knows its grip is slipping away, feels they have nothing to lose, and figures they should strike when their advantage is at it's greatest.

    Of course you can still have immigration while still preserving desirable ratios that maintain stability. Singapore has shown this. If you look at its demographic breakdown into the three main groups(Chinese, Indian, Malay), the ratios have barely changed since 1970, even though there's been plenty of immigration. Immigration probably helped given the post-1960's gulf in fertility between Chinese and Malays. I don't know if this was official policy but I'd have to think this was something the government controlled. Of course Singapore is run by serious people.

    I don’t know if this was official policy but I’d have to think this was something the government controlled.

    Correct. To add to your observations, Ethnic ratios are tightly controlled by the Singapore government by granting permanent residence permits selectively. Singapore “permanent” residence, unlike green cards in the United States, have to be renewed every five years. Renewals are not automatic, and certain ethnicities (i.e. Chinese) are encouraged to “convert” to citizenship, or risk losing residence. As Indian professionals in particular have found in recent years, the Singapore government felt they were over-represented, and renewals were, in some cases, refused.

    The Singapore government also controls ethnic ratios in its “public” housing, which are simply owner-occupied Housing Development Board apartments built by the government and priced somewhat more affordably than other housing. Rules on whom residents can sell their apartments to keep ethnic ratios in neighborhoods stable, and predominantly Chinese.

    Singapore, like Japan, Korea, and China, is not big on diversity for diversities sake, and certainly not in immigration policy.

    One of the more striking things about Singapore is how few black people you see there, even casual tourists from Africa. In a rare moment of candor, the Straits Times newspaper, a few years ago, revealed that the government almost always refuses tourist visas to Africans.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    >As Indian professionals in particular have found in recent years, the Singapore government felt they were over-represented, and renewals were, in some cases, refused.

    Yep. I'm currently in negotiations with an AI shop there. Every Singaporean company has a very strict quota of Singaporean citizens they have to hire-and that includes the new citizens from the PRC-before they are allowed to hire foreigners.

    >The Singapore government also controls ethnic ratios in its “public” housing, which are simply owner-occupied Housing Development Board apartments built by the government and priced somewhat more affordably than other housing.

    After the race riots of the 1960s, LKY and Company were keenly aware of the need to prevent any ethnic ghettos from forming in the housing estates. In practice, due to sheer socioeconomics, you will see more Malays in Sembawang or Woodlands than average, but still, on the most part, they've mostly succeeded.

  183. Non-white immigration is the greatest evil. And whites should resist it with force.

  184. @Anonymous
    My point was that mass immigration doesn't need to throw the ratios described by anon out of balance. In the Singapore case it preserved them. It would be harder for white nations because they don't have an endless supply of people from the largest ethnic group on the planet from which to draw immigrants. But then again most birthrates aren't nearly as low as Singapore.

    No, I agree that immigration doesn’t necessarily have to throw demographics out of whack. But the kind of all-but-explicit racial hierarchy that Singapore has with immigration is never going to be politically feasible in the United States, even if there was the wider pool of European emigrants necessary to pull a turn-of-the-century Brazil. What’s more, the past half-century has already happened and is continuing to happen. Best to focus on the future with the resulting at-all-costs assimilation that’ll be needed.

    Now, the US could try the Israel route and focus on middle-class fertility boosting policies while not allowing the petty needs of oligarchs to dominate immigration policy. But, you know, that’s even more ridiculous. As the GOP would no doubt interject: “Will somebody please think of the Job Creators!”

    WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN? from TheSimpsons

  185. @PiltdownMan

    I don’t know if this was official policy but I’d have to think this was something the government controlled.
     
    Correct. To add to your observations, Ethnic ratios are tightly controlled by the Singapore government by granting permanent residence permits selectively. Singapore "permanent" residence, unlike green cards in the United States, have to be renewed every five years. Renewals are not automatic, and certain ethnicities (i.e. Chinese) are encouraged to "convert" to citizenship, or risk losing residence. As Indian professionals in particular have found in recent years, the Singapore government felt they were over-represented, and renewals were, in some cases, refused.

    The Singapore government also controls ethnic ratios in its "public" housing, which are simply owner-occupied Housing Development Board apartments built by the government and priced somewhat more affordably than other housing. Rules on whom residents can sell their apartments to keep ethnic ratios in neighborhoods stable, and predominantly Chinese.

    Singapore, like Japan, Korea, and China, is not big on diversity for diversities sake, and certainly not in immigration policy.

    One of the more striking things about Singapore is how few black people you see there, even casual tourists from Africa. In a rare moment of candor, the Straits Times newspaper, a few years ago, revealed that the government almost always refuses tourist visas to Africans.

    >As Indian professionals in particular have found in recent years, the Singapore government felt they were over-represented, and renewals were, in some cases, refused.

    Yep. I’m currently in negotiations with an AI shop there. Every Singaporean company has a very strict quota of Singaporean citizens they have to hire-and that includes the new citizens from the PRC-before they are allowed to hire foreigners.

    >The Singapore government also controls ethnic ratios in its “public” housing, which are simply owner-occupied Housing Development Board apartments built by the government and priced somewhat more affordably than other housing.

    After the race riots of the 1960s, LKY and Company were keenly aware of the need to prevent any ethnic ghettos from forming in the housing estates. In practice, due to sheer socioeconomics, you will see more Malays in Sembawang or Woodlands than average, but still, on the most part, they’ve mostly succeeded.

  186. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Some people leapfrog.

    Others piggyback. Mehta and his kind piggybacks on white achievements even as they berate whites.

    If not for the world networks created by whites, would most Hindus even know of the larger world? China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.

    Somehow, I don't think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I'm willing to bet Nehru's generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.

    The new hostility seems the product of PC and contempt for white weakness. Or rather the combination of white weakness in attitude and white dominance in world affairs. After all, the World is even now dominated by the West.

    When the West is about speaking wussily but carrying a big stick, it must be awful frustrating. It is weak in rhetoric but strong in reality.

    I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.

    Nehru’s generation was very nuanced in its feelings about the British. They asked Lord Mountbatten to stay on as Governor-General of India after Independence. The Indian Army chief was British until the mid-1950s, and several elite British civil servants, too, stayed on in India after independence, until retirement.

    Churchill had kind things to say about Nehru when he finally met him, after Indian independence, and vice-versa. But then, both Nehru and Churchill went to Harrow, as schoolboys.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Muhammad Ali Jinnah, founder of Pakistan, was a thoroughly upper-middle class British gentleman in his personal tastes. He liked his pin-striped suits, his ties, his liquor, and ironically despite founding an openly Islamic state and legally defending a teenager-trying to get him out of the death penalty-who'd assassinated a Hindu who'd written indecencies against the Prophet, was not himself a pious man. Just more evidence that in South Asia, religious is less matter of personal faith than of tribe: in this regard, the polar opposite of East Asia. I can't help but wonder if that's part of the reason that assimilation tends to be easier with immigrants from the Confucian countries than with desis. I don't think that's all of it, but I don't think it is irrelevant, either.

    Of course, the Muslims were the ruling minority before the British arrived. It's very telling that the Mughals-who mass imported pale-skinned Persian bureaucrats to do a lot of the administrative work-described themselves as "white" and the native Hindu Indians as "black", just like the English did. This wasn't just a religious thing. Even within Pakistan itself, the Punjabi elite who saw themselves as the heirs to the Mughal legacy was always keen to assert their superiority over the Bengalis, and without religious differences anymore, racial ones became far stronger... which would lead ultimately to the openly pseudo-genocidal policies of 1971.

  187. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Ironically, the ferocity of non-white animus against whites was developed intra-racially.

    Blacks can be vicious and savage toward whites, but black levels of aggression is the result of black on black violence in Africa for 100,000s of yrs. Black hatred of whites is rationalized on history of slavery, but black rage formed long before Europeans arrived in Africa. It is the genetic and cultural product of black-on-black aggression.

    Same goes for Jews. Jews honed their skills in argument and insult among themselves. Intra-Jewish rage and resentment later found outlet against whites.

    And the same is probably true of Mehta and his kind. Indians are experts at bickering, insulting, belittling, and crapping all over each other. As nasty as Mehta may come across to whites, his kind probably insult one another endlessly in similar manner. In the hotbed environment of extreme competition and cutthroat struggle to squeeze out the last penny amidst dizzying diversity, Hindus need to out-chutzpah one another.

    Mehta’s book might make a fun Bollywood musical. Maybe it can be the next sensation after HAMILTON. New Manifest Destiny with Hindu cowboys wiping the floor with white Injuns with real Injuns looking on bemused. Maybe Mehta and Chetty can collaborate. Manifest Dirt.

    A Bollywood version of this, with India as mega-Puerto-Rico.

  188. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Is there any “profession” that screams “parasite!” or “useless eater!” louder than “diamond merchant”?
     
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/antwerp-s-diamond-business-jews-surrender-gem-trade-to-indians-a-416243.html

    Jews Surrender Gem Trade to Indians

    The Belgian city of Antwerp has the largest diamond market in the world. Orthodox Jews controlled the trade for centuries, but now globalization has seen them displaced by dealers hailing from India.
     

    Suketu Mehta is a Palanpuri Jain, from the sub-caste of diamond merchants that has moved into the Antwerp diamond trade. Before South Africa became the world’s biggest source of diamonds, for centuries, India’s mines in its Golconda province supplied most of the world’s diamonds. Palanpuri Jains go way back, in the diamond trade.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Suketu Mehta is a Palanpuri Jain
     
    Aren't Jains not supposed to breed?
  189. “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

    Maybe one of the problems with India is Indians did not understand wealth? How it’s created? Why the British were rich?

  190. “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.

    Upfront, i’m a nationalist through and through. People ought to rule themselves. No interlopers, no foreign elites running/controlling your nation. Totally on board with all the Indian nationalists itching to toss the Brits out. A fine sentiment.

    However, as historical analysis if there’s a place that’s derived a lot of benefit from colonization … it’s India.

    — Relative unity–ok, couldn’t bridge the Hindu/Muslim thing so three separate nations. But considering the diversity of the joint–akin to Europe’s, the Brits allowed them to launch with a unity they never would have had.

    — British law.

    — Railroads. Infrastructure in India sucks, and Indians have never seemed all that interested in doing anything about it … but the Brits had them build a first class rail network, which was/is a huge benefit to development.

    — English. They have all their language issues–especially the north/south divide over Hindi. But they launched with their educated classes actually knowing/comfortable in what was the world language with the British Empire spreading it around the world and the US coming out of the War as the world’s dominant power.

    With all this … you’d still bet on the Chinese to kick their ass (even as screwed up as the Chinese are). But without this colonial legacy what an even bigger mess India would be.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    With all this … you’d still bet on the Chinese to kick their ass
     
    That already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

    The PRC beat India badly, there was panic in New Delhi that the PRC forces might continue to advance and eventually reach the Indian capital, but the PRC halted once it reached the border of the disputed areas and declared a unilateral ceasefire.

    And that was before China massively outpaced India's economic development.
  191. @AnotherDad

    “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.” We are here, my grandfather was saying, because you were there.
     
    Upfront, i'm a nationalist through and through. People ought to rule themselves. No interlopers, no foreign elites running/controlling your nation. Totally on board with all the Indian nationalists itching to toss the Brits out. A fine sentiment.

    However, as historical analysis if there's a place that's derived a lot of benefit from colonization ... it's India.

    -- Relative unity--ok, couldn't bridge the Hindu/Muslim thing so three separate nations. But considering the diversity of the joint--akin to Europe's, the Brits allowed them to launch with a unity they never would have had.

    -- British law.

    -- Railroads. Infrastructure in India sucks, and Indians have never seemed all that interested in doing anything about it ... but the Brits had them build a first class rail network, which was/is a huge benefit to development.

    -- English. They have all their language issues--especially the north/south divide over Hindi. But they launched with their educated classes actually knowing/comfortable in what was the world language with the British Empire spreading it around the world and the US coming out of the War as the world's dominant power.


    With all this ... you'd still bet on the Chinese to kick their ass (even as screwed up as the Chinese are). But without this colonial legacy what an even bigger mess India would be.

    With all this … you’d still bet on the Chinese to kick their ass

    That already happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

    The PRC beat India badly, there was panic in New Delhi that the PRC forces might continue to advance and eventually reach the Indian capital, but the PRC halted once it reached the border of the disputed areas and declared a unilateral ceasefire.

    And that was before China massively outpaced India’s economic development.

  192. @Reg Cæsar

    He estimated that Indiaʼs lost revenue to Great Britain was in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
     
    Which works out to fifty cents per head. So send 'em their eight bob and be done with it!

    Would cost the average Brit less than a tenner. A bargain.

    Which works out to fifty cents per head. So send ’em their eight bob and be done with it!

    How about giving the aggressive wog beggar a swift kick and a curse instead?

    I mean, all these various brown and black people are trying to run their spiel on us. Don’t fall for it.

  193. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Suketu Mehta is a Palanpuri Jain, from the sub-caste of diamond merchants that has moved into the Antwerp diamond trade. Before South Africa became the world's biggest source of diamonds, for centuries, India's mines in its Golconda province supplied most of the world's diamonds. Palanpuri Jains go way back, in the diamond trade.

    Suketu Mehta is a Palanpuri Jain

    Aren’t Jains not supposed to breed?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Jain's have a terrible reputation in India for sharp practice.

    In fact, the Calcutta 'butter riots' of the 1920s - in which scores were killed - were sparked off by Jain merchants passing off mineral oil as ghee (clarified butter).

    Strangely, having few scruples about ripping off their fellow men, pious Jains regard the accidental crushing of an insect by a human foot as a dreadful sin.
  194. @Logan
    I suspect he actually spoke of hundreds of millions of pounds. :)

    Also, that would be hundreds of millions of pounds 150 years ago, when that was a lot more money.

    And don't forget compound interest since.

    And don’t forget that if you do pay, it’s just the first installment of many.

  195. @ThreeCranes

    "being all upset that the British raided their jewels"
     

    “Because we are the creditors,” responded my grandfather, who was born in India…. “You took all our wealth, our diamonds. Now we have come to collect.”
     
    Always this mistake in believing that wealth resides in some thing, in this case a shiny stone, and not in a process. Which is precisely why they were in an inferior position then, remain so today and shall be for the foreseeable future. Fetishism and idolatry, the earmarks of a primitive people.

    Lol. No. By that logic, all rich people or anyone who desires or seeks markers of wealth, including jewels, cars, mansions etc, are in an inferior position and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

    It’s comforting to believe what one wants to and distort the facts to support the belief.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    "markers of wealth", precisely.

    Without the process, they are baubles. Ask the man stranded on an island whether he would prefer a working well or a wallet full of thousand dollar bills.
  196. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    This Metha guy is a gift.

    Every statement a lie, a non-sequitar, incoherent, confused, ahistorical, an insult, a threat or all of the above.

    This Metha guy is a gift.

    Yah, he’s singing and dancing “I like to pee on America, I like to poo on America…”

    Anyway, it goes to show rich immigrants are worse than poor ones. Same from Latin America. White ones are often worse than the humble beaners.

    Rich Indians and white Latino elites are regarded with envy and resentment by the brown masses. So, what do they do to shore up their “I’m a victim too” narrative among their own national groups? They concoct elaborate rationales to pretend that their greedy ventures in America are all about justice and resistance against whitey.

    Diamond merchant bitching about dirt. Enough already.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    Anyway, it goes to show rich immigrants are worse than poor ones. Same from Latin America. White ones are often worse than the humble beaners.

     

    Next time Trump complains that Third World countries aren't sending their best, we should say, "Thank God for that!"

    Bring in fruit pickers, busboys, and sheetrock workers. Hell, even a few computer programmers. Just no intellectuals. They'll really fuck shit up. And you think the Mehta guy is bad news, read about how German intellectuals came to American after 1848 and inflicted their ideas on us.

    Yes, there should be a minimum IQ requirement for green cards. There should be a maximum, too.
  197. @Ben tillman
    “The British” never did jack shit to the Indians or anyone else.

    Lol. False. There were serious atrocities. Read up on the Bengal famine, Amritsar Massacre, and the GDP and socio-economic indicator of the average Indian during British rule of 100-150 years vs any other time before. History does not support your assertion.

    That said, they were flawed rulers. It’s good to recognize ‘shit happened’ as a nation, but then what progress comes from clinging on to past and weaponizing the so-called victimhood into a trophy?

    There was a time when the cry was not for reparations, but for acknowledgement. It helps in catharsis and closure and to move on. But sometimes the acknowledgement doesn’t come. And that sucks, but that’s that. It’s not going to stop a nation of strivers (if they truly are) from picking up and moving on.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    You still don't get it.

    We Americans had the same gripes about the British as you did. We too fought a war to free ourselves from their yoke. What we resent is your transferring your anger and jealousy towards them unto us.
    , @Cagey Beast
    Interestingly, the man in charge of the Punjab at the time of the Amritsar Massacre was an Irish Catholic, Sir Michael O'Dwyer. Much later, he was assassinated by a Sikh:

    At his trial, Singh told the court:

    I did it because I had a grudge against him. He deserved it. He was the real culprit. He wanted to crush the spirit of my people, so I have crushed him. For full 21 years, I have been trying to wreak vengeance. I am happy that I have done the job. I am not scared of death. I am dying for my country. I have seen my people starving in India under the British rule. I have protested against this, it was my duty. What a greater honour could be bestowed on me than death for the sake of my motherland?

    He was convicted and hanged four months later.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Dwyer#Assassination
    , @Ben tillman
    Whoosh. Right over your head. “The British” didn’t do jack shit to anyone.

    Actions by the rulers of the British are not actions by “The British”.

  198. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @njguy73
    Suketu Mehta: "There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980."

    NJGuy73: "OK, you can all come to America. We'll squeeze all of you into Montana and Wyoming."

    Mehta: "Nah, we're good where we are."

    “There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980.”

    There’s enough space in India to hold all 7 billion people. Send all Chinese and Africans there.

  199. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:

    However nasty, arrogant and unpleasant Mehta is, he isn’t a skidmark compared to the *real* sick and evil bastards – and f*ckwits to boot – at The Economist magazine. The Economist, without fail, weekly publishes the most wrongheaded downright perverse rabid editorials DEMANDING that white western nations abolishes any remaining vestige of immigration control whatsoever.

    The real difference between Mehta and The Economist is that our dumb shit-for-brains political class treat The Economist as gospel.

  200. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon
    "Troublesome Asians are just as aggressive, vengeful, and implacable in their anti-white-ism as the worst anti-white Jews."

    This is only and only because the white establishment allows it. Asians will be mostly acquiesce to the existing power structure, if tomorrow whitey establishment puts itself back again in the power structure, in a heartbeat you will see the next versions of Suketu Mehta praising Thomas Jefferson.

    This is only and only because the white establishment allows it. Asians will be mostly acquiesce to the existing power structure, if tomorrow whitey establishment puts itself back again in the power structure, in a heartbeat you will see the next versions of Suketu Mehta praising Thomas Jefferson.

    I wonder if Mehta is really pissed with whites because they side with Jews against Hindus. On Wall Street and South Africa, whites sided with Jews against Hindu competitors.

  201. Anonymous[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Suketu Mehta is a Palanpuri Jain
     
    Aren't Jains not supposed to breed?

    Jain’s have a terrible reputation in India for sharp practice.

    In fact, the Calcutta ‘butter riots’ of the 1920s – in which scores were killed – were sparked off by Jain merchants passing off mineral oil as ghee (clarified butter).

    Strangely, having few scruples about ripping off their fellow men, pious Jains regard the accidental crushing of an insect by a human foot as a dreadful sin.

  202. @nebulafox
    The only reason Singapore manages to keep the ethnic ratio stable is because the mass immigration is predominantly from one place: the PRC. The Singaporean Chinese have the lowest birthrate in the world, despite massive time and effort spent by the government to try and "correct" that. This is not popular given the massive cultural divergences between the mainlanders and the Singaporean Chinese, as well as the artificially depressed wages/increased housing costs that results from any mass immigration program into an already-crowded area. But it does the job.

    (Even the Malays are below replacement rate now. But the Chinese... what is it, .83 per woman?)

    As for the United States, the more men like Mehta become the public face of our intellgentsia's views on race and immigration policy, and the more oomph they have on policy already dictated largely by the alliance between Economic Right and Cultural Left, the more white identity politics-and even nationalism-is going to become on some level among a majority of legacy white Americans. To anyone with a rudimentary understanding of human nature, this should be a rather obvious prediction, but as always, our elites-economic, cultural, and political-don't seem to have that.

    As for the United States, the more men like Mehta become the public face of our intellgentsia’s views on race and immigration policy

    Publisher: Farrar, Straus and Giroux

  203. @Anonymous

    “There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980.”
     
    There's enough space in India to hold all 7 billion people. Send all Chinese and Africans there.
  204. I hope this goes viral. One of your best. This guy Mehta is a piece of work and people need to know.

    I suppose there is going to be a reckoning at some stage. And the Jews will decide whether they think the Indians can be controlled as a Mandarin class, or whether they will see them as a threat to the spoils of America and control of the globe, and give the tacit approval to whites and blacks to shitcan them.

    Something similar must have happened in South Africa around the turn of the 20th century, which got Gandhi’s goat, as the Indians were shovelled into the coloured class.

    I had a senior Indian manager at a large British bank in Singapore a few years back – he was a few layers up. He was a hardcore anti-European racist and almost certainly a psychopath. I left after three months, but it was an eyeopener.

    • Replies: @njguy73

    Something similar must have happened in South Africa around the turn of the 20th century, which got Gandhi’s goat, as the Indians were shovelled into the coloured class.

     

    “[Chief White Halfoat:] Racial prejudice is a terrible thing, Yossarian. It really is. It's a terrible thing to treat a decent, loyal Indian like a n*gger, k*ke, w*p, or sp*c.” -Joseph Heller, Catch-22
  205. @nebulafox
    #CorvyLogic: Before the British, much of India was dominated by a conquest dynasty of Turko-Persian extraction. Accordingly, the USA-born in 1776-must atone for that. It's *karma*. Jesus! Mike Cernovich!

    Mr. Mehta should ask Turkey, Iran and the central asian “Stans” to pay reparations for the many millions killed and enslaved during the Muslim invasions of India.

  206. @Anonymous
    Mountbatten going to Ireland in 1979 reminds me of Pinochet going to Britain in 1998. Old men are stubborn and set in their ways and slow to see that the world has changed.

    I think he had been going to Ireland for years. Was it really more dangerous in 1979?

  207. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @PaceLaw
    There’s more: the British gave them the English language. What a primitive people and culture they would be without it!

    Is this satire? Indian languages are hardly primitive.

  208. Anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Some people leapfrog.

    Others piggyback. Mehta and his kind piggybacks on white achievements even as they berate whites.

    If not for the world networks created by whites, would most Hindus even know of the larger world? China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.

    Somehow, I don't think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I'm willing to bet Nehru's generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.

    The new hostility seems the product of PC and contempt for white weakness. Or rather the combination of white weakness in attitude and white dominance in world affairs. After all, the World is even now dominated by the West.

    When the West is about speaking wussily but carrying a big stick, it must be awful frustrating. It is weak in rhetoric but strong in reality.

    ‘China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.’

    Silk road etc?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    For the most part, both China and Indian civilizations were mostly insular. Indians would have been even more so but for the Muslim invasions. It was the Muslims than the Hindus who greatly expanded the borders. Same with China. Core Han Chinese were insular, and China really expanded most when it was itself conquered by barbarians from the North. And modern China was forced into global sphere due to Western Imperialism.

    But perhaps, there is a kind of civilizational chemistry among peoples. Some peoples, near or far apart, feel a rapport with one another. Others peoples, near or far apart, free repelled by the other culture. This can work in strange ways. I think in some ways, Japanese feel more comfortable with Germans than with Chinese even though Japanese and Chinese are both Asian and Confucian. But Japanese with their sense of order may feel closer to the orderly Germans.

    As for Chinese and Indians, they never really clicked. They rarely fought but regarded each other as strange and weird.

    Because of the universalization of Western ideas, values, and aesthetics, it seems most peoples around the world click most with white peoples and cultures. That could be one reason why they want to move to white nations. Though India and China are geographically connected, they see each other as 'alien' and 'strange'. But they both peoples see the West as 'universal' and 'generic', open and amiable to all. The West has the most click value. In contrast, when China and India eye one another, it's more about clique than click.
  209. @Twinkie

    NJGuy73: “OK, you can all come to America. We’ll squeeze all of you into Montana and Wyoming.”
     
    Please no. I like Montana and Wyoming as they are.

    Please no. I like Montana and Wyoming as they are.

    I was making a joke at those states’ expense. The joke was that no one wants to live there, not even Indians seeking reparations.

    Or we could just stick them in my state. They’d think they stayed home.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I got the joke, but 1) it’s untrue and 2) let’s not tempt fate.
  210. @Cowboy Shaw
    I hope this goes viral. One of your best. This guy Mehta is a piece of work and people need to know.

    I suppose there is going to be a reckoning at some stage. And the Jews will decide whether they think the Indians can be controlled as a Mandarin class, or whether they will see them as a threat to the spoils of America and control of the globe, and give the tacit approval to whites and blacks to shitcan them.

    Something similar must have happened in South Africa around the turn of the 20th century, which got Gandhi's goat, as the Indians were shovelled into the coloured class.

    I had a senior Indian manager at a large British bank in Singapore a few years back - he was a few layers up. He was a hardcore anti-European racist and almost certainly a psychopath. I left after three months, but it was an eyeopener.

    Something similar must have happened in South Africa around the turn of the 20th century, which got Gandhi’s goat, as the Indians were shovelled into the coloured class.

    “[Chief White Halfoat:] Racial prejudice is a terrible thing, Yossarian. It really is. It’s a terrible thing to treat a decent, loyal Indian like a n*gger, k*ke, w*p, or sp*c.” -Joseph Heller, Catch-22

  211. @Anonymous

    This Metha guy is a gift.
     
    Yah, he's singing and dancing "I like to pee on America, I like to poo on America..."

    Anyway, it goes to show rich immigrants are worse than poor ones. Same from Latin America. White ones are often worse than the humble beaners.

    Rich Indians and white Latino elites are regarded with envy and resentment by the brown masses. So, what do they do to shore up their "I'm a victim too" narrative among their own national groups? They concoct elaborate rationales to pretend that their greedy ventures in America are all about justice and resistance against whitey.

    Diamond merchant bitching about dirt. Enough already.

    Anyway, it goes to show rich immigrants are worse than poor ones. Same from Latin America. White ones are often worse than the humble beaners.

    Next time Trump complains that Third World countries aren’t sending their best, we should say, “Thank God for that!”

    Bring in fruit pickers, busboys, and sheetrock workers. Hell, even a few computer programmers. Just no intellectuals. They’ll really fuck shit up. And you think the Mehta guy is bad news, read about how German intellectuals came to American after 1848 and inflicted their ideas on us.

    Yes, there should be a minimum IQ requirement for green cards. There should be a maximum, too.

  212. @Neil Templeton

    The whole American liberal project is anchored on the original problem – the history and the current condition of America’s Black community.
     
    Disagree with original problem, although it is a problem. The original problem is that America attracted a few tribes from England and Scotland that carried over ancient grievences. The son shall carry on the grudge of his father. The daughter shall follow her mother, look to her father, and wait to see who wins. The grievances are likely ancient and rooted deeply in gene and culture.

    Disagree with original problem, although it is a problem. The original problem is that America attracted a few tribes from England and Scotland that carried over ancient grievences. The son shall carry on the grudge of his father. The daughter shall follow her mother, look to her father, and wait to see who wins. The grievances are likely ancient and rooted deeply in gene and culture.

    You read Albion’s Seed, eh?

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Yes, I have.
  213. @njguy73

    Please no. I like Montana and Wyoming as they are.

     

    I was making a joke at those states' expense. The joke was that no one wants to live there, not even Indians seeking reparations.

    Or we could just stick them in my state. They'd think they stayed home.

    I got the joke, but 1) it’s untrue and 2) let’s not tempt fate.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I've actually seen tweets and articles from the Vox-types advocating that left-wing urbanites go and migrate to red states for the political impact: and through their "sacrifice", to change the culture to get more people to come. Yes, they would not say no to mass low-skilled immigration from the 3rd World because it might help expedite Democratic control, but somebody is going to need to be there to guide the children of the serfs to think the right things... so I'm guessing the idea is when they set up an initial community there, it'd be easier to attract "right-thinking" affluent immigrants, external and internal. Despite the over-the-top pretentiousness of it all, this is how things have gone down in places like Colorado and the PNW, and what they are trying to do in Central Texas, so one shouldn't be too quick to dismiss it. Thanks to the way Senate elections work, there's a heavy political incentive the more sparsely populated the state is: much easier to get two new Senators by flooding North Dakota.

    The trouble is getting the initial migrants to take on the immense burden of leaving behind their upper-middle class left-wing grottoes for somewhere like Wyoming or Montana. I've bizarrely seen some scared for their safety there-and no, they don't pick up on the irony of being scared of Montana while living next to Baltimore.

    So, it is clear: the local residents of Wyoming and Montana need to go out of their way to dissuade internal colonization by taking advantage of these psychological idiosyncracies. Keep the guns and the Bibles prominent, stress the lack of interesting ethnic foods and the geographical isolation, and don't trust billionaires bearing gifts of "new engines of growth", especially if they promise a new, more docile kind of worker. That kind of thing.

  214. @ConfirmationBias
    Lol. No. By that logic, all rich people or anyone who desires or seeks markers of wealth, including jewels, cars, mansions etc, are in an inferior position and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

    It’s comforting to believe what one wants to and distort the facts to support the belief.

    “markers of wealth”, precisely.

    Without the process, they are baubles. Ask the man stranded on an island whether he would prefer a working well or a wallet full of thousand dollar bills.

  215. @Pilgrim786
    The underlying nonsensical, inverted and wicked assumption being that the conqueror owes the conquered anything.

    The Conqueror owes the Conquered NOTHING - not even their lives - which is why ancient wars were decisive and final. This new and wicked principle resolves nothing whilst continually inflaming the worst passions.

    So far, this madness persists because of the unprecedented wealth and power of what used to be Christendom. Now, as Christendom is dead, and as the West groans under the weight of its accumulated sins and mistakes, there is going to be a mighty reckoning.

    “The Conqueror owes the Conquered NOTHING – not even their lives – which is why ancient wars were decisive and final.”

    So by employing your logic, the invasion by the hordes of post-1965 Hart-Celler Act masses which will inevitably brown America owe Whites jack squat. Thanks!

    “Now, as Christendom is dead, and as the West groans under the weight of its accumulated sins and mistakes, there is going to be a mighty reckoning.”

    By Whom? Will you be part of this reckoning? In what way(s)?

    • Replies: @Pilgrim786
    I want to be the Minister in charge of Garbage Removal. I am very familiar with the nature of the trash that afflicts us and nothing would please me more than getting rid of it and cleaning up the West.
  216. @Peripatetic Commenter
    If the North American Indians had had a single polity across all of North America they might not have been conquered.

    I think there is a lesson there somewhere.

    “If the North American Indians had had a single polity across all of North America they might not have been conquered.”

    Right, because their unity would have been able to withstand the European onslaught of gin and cannonballs.

  217. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter
    If the North American Indians had had a single polity across all of North America they might not have been conquered.

    I think there is a lesson there somewhere.

    That didn’t work for the Aztecs and Incas, so there’s no reason to expect it would have worked for the North American Indians.

  218. @njguy73

    Disagree with original problem, although it is a problem. The original problem is that America attracted a few tribes from England and Scotland that carried over ancient grievences. The son shall carry on the grudge of his father. The daughter shall follow her mother, look to her father, and wait to see who wins. The grievances are likely ancient and rooted deeply in gene and culture.

     

    You read Albion's Seed, eh?

    Yes, I have.

  219. Tex says:
    @njguy73
    Suketu Mehta: "There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980."

    NJGuy73: "OK, you can all come to America. We'll squeeze all of you into Montana and Wyoming."

    Mehta: "Nah, we're good where we are."

    Suketu Mehta: “There are enough houses. There is enough space in the United States alone to hold all 7 billion of our species…. Macau fits in 52,000 people per square mile…Bangladesh 2,980.”

    The only thing more stunning than Mehta’s vicious anti-white bigotry is his total lack of awareness of economics, environment, standards of living, or infrastructure. If we put up enough tents, we could fit about 3 billion in Texas alone. Just line ’em up all the way to the Caprock. Shoot Texas is big enough that you would have enough room for the tent lines too. Now getting enough pegs could be a problem. Immigrants would definitely need to share hammers.

    And that’s how you plan for open borders. Of course these are the same bunch that assured us that each random Senegalese or Bangladeshi sleeping on a sidewalk represented MILYUNS of dollars in national wealth. I know that my paycheck gets a bonus for every busload of Congolese dropped off in Santone.

    More shanty towns! It’s only fair! And we’ll be rich I tells ya! Rich beyond your wildest dreams!

  220. And now,the yellow man’s burden. Empire of Dust on youtube.

  221. @Christopher Chantrill
    When I was visiting western India last December the guide complaining about how the Brits and Portuguese had ruined the Silk Road trade by introducing cheap ocean transportation.

    The Beasts!

    And whatabout the camels?

    Where in Western India? Portuguese trade routes ran through parts of Western India, which certainly didn’t hurt those parts economically. Was this some kind of brown guilt on your guide’s part for ruining Afghanistan?

  222. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Yes, but this could become interesting. Indians are dumber Jews. They are not clever. They are not strategic like Jews. It's all brute force until it works for them. Which might be good for whites. We do not seem to be clever enough to figure out the Jews. However, with Indians telling us directly to our faces that we should die, we may see a different reaction.

    Also, Jews kinda look like whites and they speak like us. Desis are obviously foreign at first glance and they talk in that annoying roller-coaster morse code accent.

  223. @ConfirmationBias
    Lol. False. There were serious atrocities. Read up on the Bengal famine, Amritsar Massacre, and the GDP and socio-economic indicator of the average Indian during British rule of 100-150 years vs any other time before. History does not support your assertion.

    That said, they were flawed rulers. It’s good to recognize ‘shit happened’ as a nation, but then what progress comes from clinging on to past and weaponizing the so-called victimhood into a trophy?

    There was a time when the cry was not for reparations, but for acknowledgement. It helps in catharsis and closure and to move on. But sometimes the acknowledgement doesn’t come. And that sucks, but that’s that. It’s not going to stop a nation of strivers (if they truly are) from picking up and moving on.

    You still don’t get it.

    We Americans had the same gripes about the British as you did. We too fought a war to free ourselves from their yoke. What we resent is your transferring your anger and jealousy towards them unto us.

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    I’m not personally doing that. It’s a country of 1.2billion. You’re gonna find a few idiots. It’s as preposterous as me saying all Americans are smirking MAGAhat-wearing gun-loving racists or that all Americans are pussyhat-wearing plural-gendered (I don’t even know how to call them anymore) vegans.
    , @ConfirmationBias
    I doubt most Indians living in America feel resentment toward Americans. I may be wrong - there is a whole load of us anyway. But every indian I know and am friends with (this isn’t hyperbole) living in india is very grateful and positive about living and working in america and feels unilaterally they are better off here than in their ‘homeland’ even if they miss the cultural aspects and happy moments of their youth. I’m sure there’s some grumpy whiny Indians (I see some of these dolts even write for the NYT) who talk nonsense from an attitude of entitlement and has really drunk the liberal koolaid... but I think those really aren’t the norm.

    Again, I can’t know emperically... anecdotally, the circles I move in (and I don’t move in H1B low-wage IT circles) I haven’t seen anyone harbor illwill to America / Americans while living in America. Indians back home... yeah sure.

  224. @R.G. Camara
    In the mostly enjoyable Bride & Prejudice,---a Bollywood adaptation of Pride & Prejudice---the lead male is a white American (Mr. Darcy), while the lead female is an Indian national. Most of the movie is set in India.

    I say mostly enjoyable because, at one point out of the blue, the Elizabeth Bennett-Indian chick gets all uppity at the American-Mr. Darcy about British occupation having hurt India. When a rightly confused American-Mr. Darcy rightly utters in protest, "But I'm not British. I'm American!" sassy Ms.Bennett-Indian shoots back "Exactly." and the scene ends.

    The impression you get from the way the scene ends is that her "comeback" was awesome (I'm sure Indians cheered) , but it still makes no sense. Now do I realize the dot-heads hold a huge grudge against the entire white race for colonialism---or, more precisely, think whites usurped the Indian race's position on top-----, and this was a warning shot that if they ever got power over whites, they would exact a racial attack cloaked as revenge.

    Suketu Mehta is part of that racial hatred.

    Anyway, here's the movie's trailer....however, the line isn't in it, as far as I could see:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFYwqts1_TI

    I can’t figure out if the comeback is supposed to be brown logic or chick logic…maybe a bit of both?

  225. @Cagey Beast
    Some of my notes:

    - The Native Indians, the Amerindians are now the old Indians
    - The South Asians, the Desis are now the new Indians
    - The native Whites, the European-Americans apparently deserve to be driven off their land now.
    - That makes them the new Indians too.

    It's all very confusing.

    I’m only confused if we should be calling group #2 dot or 7-11 Indians.

  226. @Logan
    Here's some pretty extensive commentary.

    https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history

    80 to 100M is not unreasonable, but it should be noted that this was over a period of centuries.

    It is un-PC to bring all this up today, but revisionist history is forced to claim that contemporary Muslim accounts boasting of the immense number of pagans they killed were untrue.

    It is un-PC to bring all this up today, but revisionist history is forced to claim that contemporary Muslim accounts boasting of the immense number of pagans they killed were untrue.

    That’s actually probably correct, though. Medieval battle and massacre figures are all typically inflated.

    • Replies: @Logan
    True, but the actual numbers weren't really my point. These medieval chroniclers were proud of their massacre of lots of pagans. The revisionist want to say these massacres never happened at all.

    BTW, this applies in other historical contexts. Wanting to turn the Vikings into mostly peaceful traders, for instance.
  227. @Anonymous
    There is a silver lining to Mehta-Politics.

    Whites can appreciate Hindus as model minority but not a bunch of a-holes.

    Jews can get away with a-hole-ism because Holocaust has become such a mass cult in the West. Also, Jews are admired for their wit and talent in various fields.

    Blacks can get away with a-hole-ism because Slavery undergirds much of white guilt. Also, blacks are admired for sports and rap.

    In contrast, whites find nothing special about Hindus. So, when a bunch of nasty Hindus bitch and whine endlessly, whites are more likely to stand up and say SHUT UP.

    Spot on.

    Succinct and incisive. I tip my hat.

    Hindus are only tolerable by whites as quiet and apolitical clerks who stick to their own after five o’clock.

    They are not attractive, inteeligent, interesting, or entertaining enough to fuck with whitey in this disgusting triumphalist fashion.

    Can’t wait to take out the trash

  228. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:

    Mehta-Politics is like Japanese rationale for invading Asia.

    Because of evil Western Imperialism’s exploitation of Asia, Japanese supposedly deserved ownership of Continental Asia.

    Mehta says because Anglos took lands from other peoples, HIS hindu kind(or Jain kind, the same difference as far as I’m concerned) must take them over.

    Nice try. Mehta may be rich but has the mindset of a street peddler or con-man.

    It seems some cultures don’t have haute rich cultures. In the West, the established rich were expected to comport themselves differently. Don’t be too obvious and ostentatious with one’s riches and ambitions. Don’t be too vulgar like the nouveau riche.

    But the nouveau riche mentality seems to permeate all of Indian society. No matter how successful one becomes, one still thinks and talks like a haggler on the streets.

  229. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    'China and India are neighbors but hardly paid attention to each other before the West created networks among all peoples.'

    Silk road etc?

    For the most part, both China and Indian civilizations were mostly insular. Indians would have been even more so but for the Muslim invasions. It was the Muslims than the Hindus who greatly expanded the borders. Same with China. Core Han Chinese were insular, and China really expanded most when it was itself conquered by barbarians from the North. And modern China was forced into global sphere due to Western Imperialism.

    But perhaps, there is a kind of civilizational chemistry among peoples. Some peoples, near or far apart, feel a rapport with one another. Others peoples, near or far apart, free repelled by the other culture. This can work in strange ways. I think in some ways, Japanese feel more comfortable with Germans than with Chinese even though Japanese and Chinese are both Asian and Confucian. But Japanese with their sense of order may feel closer to the orderly Germans.

    As for Chinese and Indians, they never really clicked. They rarely fought but regarded each other as strange and weird.

    Because of the universalization of Western ideas, values, and aesthetics, it seems most peoples around the world click most with white peoples and cultures. That could be one reason why they want to move to white nations. Though India and China are geographically connected, they see each other as ‘alien’ and ‘strange’. But they both peoples see the West as ‘universal’ and ‘generic’, open and amiable to all. The West has the most click value. In contrast, when China and India eye one another, it’s more about clique than click.

  230. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Jones
    THIS land is your land Mehta. 5000 years of shit and genocide.

    http://www.planetcustodian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/A-holy-ground-covered-with-feces.jpg

    http://www.planetcustodian.com/2015/10/19/8134/over-50-scary-images-depicting-filth-of-varanasi-and-river-ganges-that-went-viral-in-china.html

    Interesting thing. I never felt nauseous when eating. I could imagine anything, watch anything, or listen to anything. No matter how gross, it didn’t ruin my appetite.

    But after seeing a bunch of images of India, I had difficult time eating for about a year whenever I recalled those images. I felt sick.

    India is like a massive freakshow.

  231. @Anonymous

    I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.
     
    Nehru's generation was very nuanced in its feelings about the British. They asked Lord Mountbatten to stay on as Governor-General of India after Independence. The Indian Army chief was British until the mid-1950s, and several elite British civil servants, too, stayed on in India after independence, until retirement.

    Churchill had kind things to say about Nehru when he finally met him, after Indian independence, and vice-versa. But then, both Nehru and Churchill went to Harrow, as schoolboys.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPcPd7AVEAE1VKp.jpg

    Muhammad Ali Jinnah, founder of Pakistan, was a thoroughly upper-middle class British gentleman in his personal tastes. He liked his pin-striped suits, his ties, his liquor, and ironically despite founding an openly Islamic state and legally defending a teenager-trying to get him out of the death penalty-who’d assassinated a Hindu who’d written indecencies against the Prophet, was not himself a pious man. Just more evidence that in South Asia, religious is less matter of personal faith than of tribe: in this regard, the polar opposite of East Asia. I can’t help but wonder if that’s part of the reason that assimilation tends to be easier with immigrants from the Confucian countries than with desis. I don’t think that’s all of it, but I don’t think it is irrelevant, either.

    Of course, the Muslims were the ruling minority before the British arrived. It’s very telling that the Mughals-who mass imported pale-skinned Persian bureaucrats to do a lot of the administrative work-described themselves as “white” and the native Hindu Indians as “black”, just like the English did. This wasn’t just a religious thing. Even within Pakistan itself, the Punjabi elite who saw themselves as the heirs to the Mughal legacy was always keen to assert their superiority over the Bengalis, and without religious differences anymore, racial ones became far stronger… which would lead ultimately to the openly pseudo-genocidal policies of 1971.

  232. @Twinkie
    I got the joke, but 1) it’s untrue and 2) let’s not tempt fate.

    I’ve actually seen tweets and articles from the Vox-types advocating that left-wing urbanites go and migrate to red states for the political impact: and through their “sacrifice”, to change the culture to get more people to come. Yes, they would not say no to mass low-skilled immigration from the 3rd World because it might help expedite Democratic control, but somebody is going to need to be there to guide the children of the serfs to think the right things… so I’m guessing the idea is when they set up an initial community there, it’d be easier to attract “right-thinking” affluent immigrants, external and internal. Despite the over-the-top pretentiousness of it all, this is how things have gone down in places like Colorado and the PNW, and what they are trying to do in Central Texas, so one shouldn’t be too quick to dismiss it. Thanks to the way Senate elections work, there’s a heavy political incentive the more sparsely populated the state is: much easier to get two new Senators by flooding North Dakota.

    The trouble is getting the initial migrants to take on the immense burden of leaving behind their upper-middle class left-wing grottoes for somewhere like Wyoming or Montana. I’ve bizarrely seen some scared for their safety there-and no, they don’t pick up on the irony of being scared of Montana while living next to Baltimore.

    So, it is clear: the local residents of Wyoming and Montana need to go out of their way to dissuade internal colonization by taking advantage of these psychological idiosyncracies. Keep the guns and the Bibles prominent, stress the lack of interesting ethnic foods and the geographical isolation, and don’t trust billionaires bearing gifts of “new engines of growth”, especially if they promise a new, more docile kind of worker. That kind of thing.

  233. @Ben tillman
    There is no “ white establishment”.

    There used to be.

  234. @ConfirmationBias
    Lol. False. There were serious atrocities. Read up on the Bengal famine, Amritsar Massacre, and the GDP and socio-economic indicator of the average Indian during British rule of 100-150 years vs any other time before. History does not support your assertion.

    That said, they were flawed rulers. It’s good to recognize ‘shit happened’ as a nation, but then what progress comes from clinging on to past and weaponizing the so-called victimhood into a trophy?

    There was a time when the cry was not for reparations, but for acknowledgement. It helps in catharsis and closure and to move on. But sometimes the acknowledgement doesn’t come. And that sucks, but that’s that. It’s not going to stop a nation of strivers (if they truly are) from picking up and moving on.

    Interestingly, the man in charge of the Punjab at the time of the Amritsar Massacre was an Irish Catholic, Sir Michael O’Dwyer. Much later, he was assassinated by a Sikh:

    At his trial, Singh told the court:

    I did it because I had a grudge against him. He deserved it. He was the real culprit. He wanted to crush the spirit of my people, so I have crushed him. For full 21 years, I have been trying to wreak vengeance. I am happy that I have done the job. I am not scared of death. I am dying for my country. I have seen my people starving in India under the British rule. I have protested against this, it was my duty. What a greater honour could be bestowed on me than death for the sake of my motherland?

    He was convicted and hanged four months later.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Dwyer#Assassination

    • Replies: @ConfirmationBias
    Wrong Dyer. This is the guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Dyer

    No assassination. Got s nice little fund put together by the British peoples.
  235. @Corvinus
    "The Conqueror owes the Conquered NOTHING – not even their lives – which is why ancient wars were decisive and final."

    So by employing your logic, the invasion by the hordes of post-1965 Hart-Celler Act masses which will inevitably brown America owe Whites jack squat. Thanks!

    "Now, as Christendom is dead, and as the West groans under the weight of its accumulated sins and mistakes, there is going to be a mighty reckoning."

    By Whom? Will you be part of this reckoning? In what way(s)?

    I want to be the Minister in charge of Garbage Removal. I am very familiar with the nature of the trash that afflicts us and nothing would please me more than getting rid of it and cleaning up the West.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I want to be the Minister in charge of Garbage Removal. I am very familiar with the nature of the trash that afflicts us and nothing would please me more than getting rid of it and cleaning up the West."

    In other words, another f---- bureaucrat. We need men on the front lines, not posers who push papers and bark out orders.

    Praytell, who exactly is this "trash"? How do you propose "getting rid of it"? If you are in such a capacity, you need to offer specifics rather than give us politician talk.
  236. @Pilgrim786
    I want to be the Minister in charge of Garbage Removal. I am very familiar with the nature of the trash that afflicts us and nothing would please me more than getting rid of it and cleaning up the West.

    “I want to be the Minister in charge of Garbage Removal. I am very familiar with the nature of the trash that afflicts us and nothing would please me more than getting rid of it and cleaning up the West.”

    In other words, another f—- bureaucrat. We need men on the front lines, not posers who push papers and bark out orders.

    Praytell, who exactly is this “trash”? How do you propose “getting rid of it”? If you are in such a capacity, you need to offer specifics rather than give us politician talk.

  237. @ConfirmationBias
    Lol. False. There were serious atrocities. Read up on the Bengal famine, Amritsar Massacre, and the GDP and socio-economic indicator of the average Indian during British rule of 100-150 years vs any other time before. History does not support your assertion.

    That said, they were flawed rulers. It’s good to recognize ‘shit happened’ as a nation, but then what progress comes from clinging on to past and weaponizing the so-called victimhood into a trophy?

    There was a time when the cry was not for reparations, but for acknowledgement. It helps in catharsis and closure and to move on. But sometimes the acknowledgement doesn’t come. And that sucks, but that’s that. It’s not going to stop a nation of strivers (if they truly are) from picking up and moving on.

    Whoosh. Right over your head. “The British” didn’t do jack shit to anyone.

    Actions by the rulers of the British are not actions by “The British”.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
    LOL. By that logic, you shouldnt lump the majority of Jews and their batty leftist lords together.
    Fact is the British empire was rather popular with the plebes until WWI when it hit a bit close to home. The British population prospered and financed the empire and hence they were part and parcel of the empire and any and all actions against British civilians are fair game. There are no civilians in war contrary to modern silly Anglo gentleman notions of war(which they never followed anyway). Which is why I wish to see as less of it as possible


    Seriously I didnt expect to see such piss poor arguments from Anglo apologists.

  238. @Rosie

    You really think minorities don’t blame Jews and wasps for their problems?
     
    Theat was precisely the point of Cultural Marxism, to redirect prole anger to ... other proles, the White ones. POC see the elites as their allies against Bubba. It's hard to believe anyone could be that stupid, I know.

    It’s not hard to believe when you consider how easily and successfully the same Cultural Marxists have manipulated the beliefs and behavior of whites.

  239. Of course, the Muslims were the ruling minority before the British arrived.

    Nope. Most of the country including Muslim majority areas which comprise todays Pakistan was taken by Hindu Marathas before their final defeat at the hands of the British around 1815.
    The confusion arises because Marathas did not wish to depose the Mughal “emperor” ruling in Delhi, he had a lot of fancy titles being the Emperor of India and the light of the world etc etc but his dominion did not extend beyond 100km squared around Delhi. Marathas and Sikhs ruled the roost with a few Muslim kingdoms in Awadh, Bengal ,Myrose and Hyderabad who were rather Hinduized and/or left their Hindu subject considerable autonomy to run their affairs.

    It’s very telling that the Mughals-who mass imported pale-skinned Persian bureaucrats to do a lot of the administrative work-described themselves as “white” and the native Hindu Indians as “black”, just like the English did. This wasn’t just a religious thing. Even within Pakistan itself, the Punjabi elite who saw themselves as the heirs to the Mughal legacy was always keen to assert their superiority over the Bengalis, and without religious differences anymore, racial ones became far stronger… which would lead ultimately to the openly pseudo-genocidal policies of 1971.

    True to some extant. Ironically Central Asian and Iranian racism towards Indians really took off after Islam. Before Islam there were Parthian, Hun and Scythian invasions into India , all rather pale people , compared to the average Indian anyway. But in a generation or two they were all too eager to drop their native culture and call themselves pious Hindus and thoroughly assimilate into Indian society.
    Persian Muslims, Turks did not do that though Arabs did. Why that is I dont quite know.
    A good number of Muslim dynasties were ridden by internal strife between native converts and Afghan,Turk and Persian interlopers. Even now in the Muslim caste system Ashraf which means noble denotes descent from Arab, Persian, Pushtoon and Turk, next comes Ajlaf which are upper caste Hindu converts to Islam and finally Arzal :the outcaste/Dalit converts

    Persians were selected for adminstration because Persians were known for those skills. Though not so much as warriors. PRetty much all the famous “Persian” warriors in India are mostly Turks who were domiciled in Persia.
    Also Turks whether in India or Anatolia were Persiophiles as that was the classical Islamic and pre Islamic civilization that the horse nomads aspired to post Islam.

  240. Elites like Suketu Mehta, Farhad Manjoo and Shashi Tharoor who speak of rights to immigrate and reparations are not representative of the general Indian population. While the average Indian middle class person would like to immigrate to Western countries if given a chance,

    1. Most would like to return after making some money
    2. They dont see it as their birth right in order to get even with whitey. The current generation barely has any idea about British rule. In school it goes in one ear and out another.
    3. They dont blame the British for the country’s present state but their own corrupt and venal politicians. The more enlightened blame themselves.
    4. If they do despise the British it is not due to looting of India, that ended in 1857. But the psychological damage done due to imperialism. This is a valid point.

    Suketu Mehta is a confused miserable elite who is caught between two worlds belonging to neither. This drives him to complete irrationality.

  241. Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…

    What nonsense. It is only Ashoka and Akbar that managed to unite “India” i.e areas comprising Indian civilization and they are seperated by 1700 years, the kings and “emperors” in between were factional and no sense of forming a nation. For most of its history , India resembled medieval Europe rather than the Roman empire. Warfare was raging, constant and often brutal. The ancient Tamils would go as far as to cannibalize their slain opponents. They boasted about this in their war poetry known as Purranuru.

    • Replies: @Logan
    Actually, Aurangzeb brought much more of the subcontinent under his rule than his ancestor Akbar.

    But as it turned out this was imperial overstretch and the empire started collapsing immediately on his death. Or possibly before.

  242. @Ben tillman
    Whoosh. Right over your head. “The British” didn’t do jack shit to anyone.

    Actions by the rulers of the British are not actions by “The British”.

    LOL. By that logic, you shouldnt lump the majority of Jews and their batty leftist lords together.
    Fact is the British empire was rather popular with the plebes until WWI when it hit a bit close to home. The British population prospered and financed the empire and hence they were part and parcel of the empire and any and all actions against British civilians are fair game. There are no civilians in war contrary to modern silly Anglo gentleman notions of war(which they never followed anyway). Which is why I wish to see as less of it as possible

    Seriously I didnt expect to see such piss poor arguments from Anglo apologists.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    LOL. By that logic, you shouldnt lump the majority of Jews and their batty leftist lords together.
     
    The Jews have their own logic, and by their logic I should lump them together. As longtime Columbia Professor Salo Wittmaier Baron wrote in his A Social and Religious History of the Jews (published by Columbia University Press in 1957):

    To this day orthodox Jewish ethics has remained in its essence national rather than individual, and this accounts, incidentally, for the otherwise incomprehensible legal theorem of the common responsibility of all Jews for the deeds of each.
     
  243. @Bragadocious

    But somehow it is nevertheless the Brits who are the sole focus of Indian anger.

     

    I guess you didn't read Sailer's intro.

    This Indian is condemning America for what Britain did. He has it out for America, not Britain.

    Which is interesting, given that FDR tried to get Churchill to give India its independence. Churchill had a meltdown and ended the meeting. His primary goal in WW2 was not to kill Nazis but to preserve the empire.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of Indian animus towards America derives not from some imaginary assault on India from the U.S., but from British propaganda pumped into their heads and passed down through the generations. This is, in a way, a Commonwealth assault on America. And Britain, as always, is rubbing its hands with glee. Although they're certainly getting a taste of it themselves, which makes me happy.

    Quite possibly. Though his animus appears to be largely racial/racist. White Anglo Britain did (to his mind) bad things to India, so white Anglo America must also be guilty.

    He has apparently not noticed that white Anglo America is a rapidly decreasing minority.

  244. @Anonymous

    Somehow, I don’t think Indians were so petty-minded in the past. I’m willing to bet Nehru’s generation was more nuanced about the West despite their efforts at independence.
     
    The same thought occurred to me last year after watching Charaluta, Satyajit Ray's 1964 film about the wandering affections of lonely Bengali housewife in the late 19th-century.

    While the focus of the movie is on the personal relationships between the wife, husband, and his poetry-loving cousin(with whom she falls in love), the backdrop is that the husband is a workaholic pro-independence newspaper publisher who's too busy to really connect his wife.

    Given the setting and the period which it was made(less than two decades after Indian independence), you might reasonably expect the film to feature plenty of anti-British animus. It contains virtually none. The husband is actually an ardent admirer of the British intellect. He wants desperately to send his cousin to study in England. He just thinks that the British have a blind spot when it comes to the Indians, and he wants this fixed. There was no desire for revenge or to turn London into Dhaka-on-Thames.

    Satyajit Ray like most Bengalis are Anglophiles. An argument can be made the very existence of a seperate Bengali ethnicity owes its existance to the British. The “terrorism” of Bengali revolutionaries as well as “subversion” of Subhash Chandra Bose who cast his lot with the Axis powers can be explained as a quest for equality with the British which was denied to them. All of these guys were upper caste and English educated and often like Bose did study in England itself.

  245. I find it rather funny the American posters here who though generally well informed seem rather ignorant of British and Indian history , specifically British rule of India have an opinion based on very little facts but their own biases which are pro Raj for whatever godforsaken twisted reason.

    Apparently invade the world, invite the world does not apply pre 1965 LOL. An argument that can be that pro imperialist British vermin intellectuals found a new home in U.S in the 1950s and quietly subverting the healthy American distaste for imperialism and became basis for the Deep State and permanent war uni party that you all have come to know and love. Christopher Hitchens in one of his more lucid books Blood Class and Empire arrives at this conclusion though a tad implicitly. Though originally published in 1990 ,it was reissued at the time when he was cheerleading the 2003 Iraq War and it was still popular somewhat to support it. GWB,Obama et al are known for their Churchillphilia. Ask yourself if that is really a good thing.

    • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand

    GWB,Obama et al are known for their Churchillphilia. Ask yourself if that is really a good thing.
     
    oops Obama wasnt into Churchill as he was anti Colonialist , nothing wrong with that per se. But he was of the Marxist mould which is toxic. I meant to say that neocons in general are Churchill worshippers par excellence and use empire as an excuse to spread "Democracy"
  246. @Alden
    How the Portuguese acquired Bombay and surrounding state.
    1534 Bombay Sultan Bahadur Shah decided he couldn’t fight of Mughal Emperor Humayun whose troops were rampaging south. There were already a few Portuguese trading posts around.

    So Sultan Bahadur gave Bombay and the rest of his territory to a few hundred Portuguese in exchange for fighting off Emperor Humayun.

    How England acquired Bombay and surrounding territories. Portuguese Princess Catherine married English King Charles’s 2 and Bombay was her dowry.

    Some families give furniture, some give livestock some give land some give houses, Portugal gave away a big chunk of India

    Blame all those Indian rulers who worked with the Europeans.

    Just so.

    From the time if Alexander, the Hindoos’ rulers have been very keen to betray their people to invaders for the right price.

    Just as Africans, not Europeans, enslaved most Africans (the Europeans involved merely purchased the already enslaved), so, too, did Indians “conquer” India, not Europeans, who simply accepted the lands and power in exchange for beating up the other fellow this or that sell-out petty king could not fend off hinself.

    Hell, that’s much of the story regarding the demise of the Amerindians, too.

    And, too, it’s what the evil Europeans are doing or us other Europeans. (“Sure, you can have all the whole place, so long as you let us alone in Malibu, Woodside, and Manhattan….”)

    Wasn’t it the great Angela Lansbury who sang “Tale as olde as tiiiiime….” – or was it Peabo Bryson?

  247. @Dr Van Nostrand
    I find it rather funny the American posters here who though generally well informed seem rather ignorant of British and Indian history , specifically British rule of India have an opinion based on very little facts but their own biases which are pro Raj for whatever godforsaken twisted reason.

    Apparently invade the world, invite the world does not apply pre 1965 LOL. An argument that can be that pro imperialist British vermin intellectuals found a new home in U.S in the 1950s and quietly subverting the healthy American distaste for imperialism and became basis for the Deep State and permanent war uni party that you all have come to know and love. Christopher Hitchens in one of his more lucid books Blood Class and Empire arrives at this conclusion though a tad implicitly. Though originally published in 1990 ,it was reissued at the time when he was cheerleading the 2003 Iraq War and it was still popular somewhat to support it. GWB,Obama et al are known for their Churchillphilia. Ask yourself if that is really a good thing.

    GWB,Obama et al are known for their Churchillphilia. Ask yourself if that is really a good thing.

    oops Obama wasnt into Churchill as he was anti Colonialist , nothing wrong with that per se. But he was of the Marxist mould which is toxic. I meant to say that neocons in general are Churchill worshippers par excellence and use empire as an excuse to spread “Democracy”

  248. @Anon

    It is un-PC to bring all this up today, but revisionist history is forced to claim that contemporary Muslim accounts boasting of the immense number of pagans they killed were untrue.
     
    That's actually probably correct, though. Medieval battle and massacre figures are all typically inflated.

    True, but the actual numbers weren’t really my point. These medieval chroniclers were proud of their massacre of lots of pagans. The revisionist want to say these massacres never happened at all.

    BTW, this applies in other historical contexts. Wanting to turn the Vikings into mostly peaceful traders, for instance.

  249. @Dr Van Nostrand

    Consider the subcontinent. For five thousand years we had been one people, ruled undivided from the borders of Persia to China by emperors from Ashoka to Akbar…. Then the British came and ruled us for two hundred years by pitting us against each other so that we couldn’t be pitted against them…
     
    What nonsense. It is only Ashoka and Akbar that managed to unite "India" i.e areas comprising Indian civilization and they are seperated by 1700 years, the kings and "emperors" in between were factional and no sense of forming a nation. For most of its history , India resembled medieval Europe rather than the Roman empire. Warfare was raging, constant and often brutal. The ancient Tamils would go as far as to cannibalize their slain opponents. They boasted about this in their war poetry known as Purranuru.

    Actually, Aurangzeb brought much more of the subcontinent under his rule than his ancestor Akbar.

    But as it turned out this was imperial overstretch and the empire started collapsing immediately on his death. Or possibly before.

  250. @Cagey Beast
    Interestingly, the man in charge of the Punjab at the time of the Amritsar Massacre was an Irish Catholic, Sir Michael O'Dwyer. Much later, he was assassinated by a Sikh:

    At his trial, Singh told the court:

    I did it because I had a grudge against him. He deserved it. He was the real culprit. He wanted to crush the spirit of my people, so I have crushed him. For full 21 years, I have been trying to wreak vengeance. I am happy that I have done the job. I am not scared of death. I am dying for my country. I have seen my people starving in India under the British rule. I have protested against this, it was my duty. What a greater honour could be bestowed on me than death for the sake of my motherland?

    He was convicted and hanged four months later.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Dwyer#Assassination

    Wrong Dyer. This is the guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Dyer

    No assassination. Got s nice little fund put together by the British peoples.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    No, there were two men with similar names involved:

    1) Colonel Reginald Dyer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Dyer
    and:
    2) Sir Michael O'Dwyer:


    Sir Michael Francis O'Dwyer, GCIE KCSI (28 April 1864 – 13 March 1940), was Lieutenant Governor of the Punjab in India from 1912 until 1919. O'Dwyer endorsed Colonel Reginald Dyer's action regarding the Amritsar massacre and termed it a "correct action".
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Dwyer
  251. @ThreeCranes
    You still don't get it.

    We Americans had the same gripes about the British as you did. We too fought a war to free ourselves from their yoke. What we resent is your transferring your anger and jealousy towards them unto us.

    I’m not personally doing that. It’s a country of 1.2billion. You’re gonna find a few idiots. It’s as preposterous as me saying all Americans are smirking MAGAhat-wearing gun-loving racists or that all Americans are pussyhat-wearing plural-gendered (I don’t even know how to call them anymore) vegans.

  252. @ThreeCranes
    You still don't get it.

    We Americans had the same gripes about the British as you did. We too fought a war to free ourselves from their yoke. What we resent is your transferring your anger and jealousy towards them unto us.

    I doubt most Indians living in America feel resentment toward Americans. I may be wrong – there is a whole load of us anyway. But every indian I know and am friends with (this isn’t hyperbole) living in india is very grateful and positive about living and working in america and feels unilaterally they are better off here than in their ‘homeland’ even if they miss the cultural aspects and happy moments of their youth. I’m sure there’s some grumpy whiny Indians (I see some of these dolts even write for the NYT) who talk nonsense from an attitude of entitlement and has really drunk the liberal koolaid… but I think those really aren’t the norm.

    Again, I can’t know emperically… anecdotally, the circles I move in (and I don’t move in H1B low-wage IT circles) I haven’t seen anyone harbor illwill to America / Americans while living in America. Indians back home… yeah sure.

  253. @Anonymous Jones
    THIS land is your land Mehta. 5000 years of shit and genocide.

    http://www.planetcustodian.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/A-holy-ground-covered-with-feces.jpg

    http://www.planetcustodian.com/2015/10/19/8134/over-50-scary-images-depicting-filth-of-varanasi-and-river-ganges-that-went-viral-in-china.html

    I scrolled down to about four photos and had enough. One really ought to have done it.

    Talk about removing the speck from the eye of the object of one’s indignation while there’s a beam in your own.

    Mehta is a modern day pharisee.

  254. @ConfirmationBias
    Wrong Dyer. This is the guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Dyer

    No assassination. Got s nice little fund put together by the British peoples.

    No, there were two men with similar names involved:

    1) Colonel Reginald Dyer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Dyer
    and:
    2) Sir Michael O’Dwyer:

    Sir Michael Francis O’Dwyer, GCIE KCSI (28 April 1864 – 13 March 1940), was Lieutenant Governor of the Punjab in India from 1912 until 1919. O’Dwyer endorsed Colonel Reginald Dyer’s action regarding the Amritsar massacre and termed it a “correct action”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O%27Dwyer

  255. @Dr Van Nostrand
    LOL. By that logic, you shouldnt lump the majority of Jews and their batty leftist lords together.
    Fact is the British empire was rather popular with the plebes until WWI when it hit a bit close to home. The British population prospered and financed the empire and hence they were part and parcel of the empire and any and all actions against British civilians are fair game. There are no civilians in war contrary to modern silly Anglo gentleman notions of war(which they never followed anyway). Which is why I wish to see as less of it as possible


    Seriously I didnt expect to see such piss poor arguments from Anglo apologists.

    LOL. By that logic, you shouldnt lump the majority of Jews and their batty leftist lords together.

    The Jews have their own logic, and by their logic I should lump them together. As longtime Columbia Professor Salo Wittmaier Baron wrote in his A Social and Religious History of the Jews (published by Columbia University Press in 1957):

    To this day orthodox Jewish ethics has remained in its essence national rather than individual, and this accounts, incidentally, for the otherwise incomprehensible legal theorem of the common responsibility of all Jews for the deeds of each.

  256. They’re going back one way or another. Repatriation by attrition will work well.

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