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From the Daily Mail:

FBI searches the Syrian-born Boulder gunman’s $800K family home: More Facebook posts surface of the 21-year-old’s rants about Trump, Islamophobia and phone hacking – while police report shows he ‘beat up a school bully who called him a terrorist’

By VALERIE EDWARDS and JENNIFER SMITH and EMILY CRANE and RUTH STYLES IN ARVADA, COLORADO, FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and DANIEL BATES IN BOULDER, COLORADO, FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 00:35 EDT, 24 March 2021 | UPDATED: 02:32 EDT, 24 March 2021

…Agents of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) arrived at the residence of Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, 21, who was named by police earlier in the day as the man who shot dead 10 people at the Boulder grocery store on Monday afternoon. The grocery store is about 30 miles from his Arvada home. …

In Facebook posts over the last two years, he complained about not having a girlfriend, ranted about President Trump and talked about his Islamic faith.

He also ranted online about ‘racist islamophobes’ hacking his phone.

‘Just curious what are the laws about phone privacy because I believe my old school (a west) was hacking my phone. Anyone know if I can do anything through the law?’ Alissa wrote on March 18, 2019, appearing to refer to Arvada West High School.

Another post dated for March 16, 2019, reads: ‘The Muslims at the #christchurch mosque were not the victims of a single shooter. They were the victims of the entire Islamophobia industry that vilified them.’

The post appears to reference the Christchurch, New Zealand, mosque shootings of 2019, when a single gunman killed 51 people after he opened fire on two separate mosques.

Maybe the Prestige Press giving that far-away incident colossal coverage for weeks and months was a little bit imprudent?

Alissa, a high school wrestler who has been described by his family as ‘mentally ill’, was born in Syria and moved to the US with his family when he was three.

According to a police report, obtained by the Daily Beast, in 2017, Alissa, then 17, ‘blacked out’ and violently assaulted a classmate who had called him a terrorist.

Checkmate, bigot!

The report says that Alissa attacked another student, Alex Kimose, who he said had been bullying him.

Kimose was reportedly left with a ‘red and swollen’ face and his eye partially closed.

The report claims that Kimose was ‘crying and throwing up’ when his father arrived to the school and threatened to press charges.

Alissa said he could not take being bullied anymore so he ‘blacked out and rushed him’.

At the time, Alissa claimed that Kimose called him ‘racist names, called him a terrorist, and even took a video of him and put it on Snapchat’.

I should pitch this teen drama series to Netflix: a Muslim immigrant high school student is so exhausted by WASP bullies stereotyping him as an angry Arab and a “terrorist” that he heroically beats one up. I’ll call my show Trope.

And then in the crowd-pleasing season one finale, our hero murders ten white people at the supermarket. I’m not sure where Season Two goes, but I’ll think of something.

Alissa was charged with a misdemeanor for the attack, according to the Daily Beast. …

Police have not yet confirmed his motive. He has been charged with ten counts of murder.

The New York Times reported on Tuesday that he was known to the FBI because he was linked to another person who has been under investigation for something else. They didn’t give any more details.

That’s rather interesting.

His brother confirmed he was the shooter in an interview with The Daily Beast on Tuesday, saying he was ‘paranoid’ and ‘very antisocial’.

He insisted that the shooting was not politically-motivated and said:'[It was] not at all a political statement, it’s mental illness.

‘The guy used to get bullied a lot in high school, he was like an outgoing kid but after he went to high school and got bullied a lot, he started becoming anti-social,’ he said.

Presumably, all the misfits in Colorado high schools have heard of Columbine.

Another told The Denver Post that Alissa was ‘violent’, ‘scary to be around’ and once threatened to kill teammates on his wrestling team.

‘He was kind of scary to be around. His senior year, during the wrestle-offs to see who makes varsity, he actually lost his match and quit the team and yelled out in the wrestling room that he was, like, going to kill everybody.

‘Nobody believed him. We were just all kind of freaked out by it, but nobody did anything about it,’ Dayton Marvel said. Another, Angel Hernandez, recalled an incident where another wrestler teased him for losing and he just ‘started punching him’.

Alissa has been arrested at least once before including in 2017 when he punched someone who had made fun of his race.

He punched a racist!

Who needs a TV show? We’re talking Best Picture Oscar.

In a July 2019 Facebook post, he ranted: ‘Yeah if these racist Islamophobic people would stop hacking my phone and let me have a normal life I probably could.’

Hernandez, the fellow wrestler, added: ‘He would talk about him being Muslim and how if anybody tried anything, he would file a hate crime and say they were making it up.

‘It was a crazy deal. I just know he was a pretty cool kid until something made him mad, and then whatever made him mad, he went over the edge — way too far.

‘He was always talking about (how) people were looking at him and there was no one ever where he was pointing people out. We always thought he was messing around with us or something.’

His arrest affidavit, which was released on Tuesday morning, reveals that after shooting a man once in the grocery store parking lot, Alissa then approached him while he was still laying on the ground and shot him again, repeatedly.

Like I’ve been saying, there are two main types of mass shootings: the ones in which the shooters don’t try to get away because they’d rather stick around and finish off the wounded and the kind where the shooters leave a lot of wounded because they want to run away.

… He bought a Ruger AR- 556 pistol exactly a week ago on March 16, 2021.

That was the day of the Atlanta Massage Parlor massacre. Were they connected in his mind — such as he bought a gun to get vengeance on whites — or is the date just a coincidence? Did the enormous outpouring of racial hate for whites over the last week encourage him to turn his new gun to deadly ends?

… His 34-year-old brother Ali told the Beast he was ‘deeply disturbed’.

Others, including some who wrestled with him in high school, say he was a sore loser who sometimes threw tantrums if he lost.

‘One thing I can tell you is he didn’t take losing very well.

‘I remember that in wrestling.

‘He would throw his headgear, wouldn’t talk to the coaches when he lost.

‘If I remember correctly, even cussed out one of the coaches one time.’ …

Alissa’s brother told The Beast about an incident when he was in high school and feared he was going to be killed.

‘[He believed] he was being chased, someone is behind him, someone is looking for him.

‘When he was having lunch with my sister in a restaurant, he said, ‘People are in the parking lot, they are looking for me.’

‘She went out, and there was no one. We didn’t know what was going on in his head,’ he said.

It’s almost as if there more than a few crazymen in this country who don’t belong to the dreaded Straight White Male Menace we keep hearing about. Perhaps all the hate directed at the Regular-American community by the mainstream media plays a role in encouraging them to lash out at Regular-Americans?

As of press time, nothing had been yet heard from leaders of the Regular-American community.

By the way, doesn’t a criminal committing insane violence and then stripping off most of his clothes sound like he was on angel dust, a drug that encourages both ridiculous violence and overheating?

 
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  1. anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:

    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @anonymous

    The dude is white, which is why everyone treated this as a "white shooter" until they learned he was a Syrian Muslim which magically transformed him into an oppressed POC. Kamala's niece even retracted a tweet containing anti-white hate speech because this particular killer was not "white" like she initially assumed.

    , @Michelle
    @anonymous

    First cousin marriages.

    , @Tiny Duck
    @anonymous

    Not higher than white males who commit most of the muder

    If white men don't suck then why does EVERYONE aside from white males keep saying they do?

    This tragedy was caused by white supremacy in the form of racism and islamophobia and it says SO MUCH about you people that you are trying to obfuscate the issue of gun violence and the need for reform as well white male entitlement.

    Replies: @black sea, @Colin Wright

    , @Captain Tripps
    @anonymous

    There you go with that per capita s**t again. Didn't you already get the memo, bigot? That's white supremacism right there.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-use-of-per-capita-statistics-is-white-nationalist/

    , @JimDandy
    @anonymous

    Gavin McInnes likes to cite the shocking levels of inbreeding among Muslims. Some huge percentage of British Muslim parents are first cousins, etc. Inbreeding and craziness would seem to go hand in hand.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @anonymous


    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?
     
    I don't know if Syrians are as inbred as others in the Islamic world, but if they are there is a good chance that congenital conditions including mental health illnesses could be particularly prevalent.
    , @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    Don't think violent crime is much of a problem in most Arab countries. Homicide rates around 1-2 per 100,000 are typical.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @anonymous

  2. “Still no motive determined in Colorado shooting”.
    Going by history Steve, in Season Two of your show, or the sequel movie, we find the killer was befriended by an FBI agent, who was using him to track extremists.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Redneck farmer

    And the Arab mass shooter in Boulder, Colorado Ahmad Al Aliwi Al-Issa is played by Arab actor Rami Malek.

    On second thought scratch that. Rami Malek is a Christian Arab not an Allahu Akbar Arab like Ahmad Al Aliwi Al-Issa, so it would be cultural appropriation. The actor needs to be Muslim in real life as well!

    , @DCThrowback
    @Redneck farmer

    ::slow clap:: you nailed it. the voices in his head, the FBI being aware...we need to know who his therapist was, who was proscribing his meds and whether or not he had a CIA handler.

    All of this very coincidentally while another assault weapons ban is making its way through Congress.

    These freaks know they have less than two years before another Congressional Revolution occurs, so it is to the mutual advantage of the deep state and the (D) party to cram as much down our throats as possible.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Redneck farmer

    Yes, that's the ticket! Then we go franchise:

    FBI San Bernardino: FBI knows in advance of Tashfeen Malik terrorist attack, does nothing.

    FBI Orlando: FBI tipped off by the local sheriff to Pulse Nightclub shooter Omar Mateen, does nothing.

    FBI Boston: FBI tipped off by Russians in advance of the Tsarnaev brothers Boston Marathon bombing, does nothing.

    FBI Parkland: FBI knows in advance of school shooter Nikolas Cruz, does nothing.

    FBI Fort Hood: FBI knows Nidal Hasan in advance of his shooting rampage, does nothing.

    FBI Garland, Texas: Undercover FBI agent encourages and accompanies Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi on their AK-47 assault on local Mohammed Cartoon Drawing contest, then weasels out of the ensuing lawsuit.

    Then we have the FBI All-Star Justice League Team Up: FBI deploys dozens of agents STAT! to Alabama when word reaches them of a racist garage door pull at the local speedway. In next season's sequel, the FBI All Star Justice League Team Up will descend on Los Anglees to recover Lady Gaga's dogs after they are abducted by dastardly dognappers who may also be racist or sexist.

    The FBI needs these kind of positive public relation exercises so the ungrateful public will love them again after the reputational collapse the FBI has unjustly suffered.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

  3. How’d his family acquire a $800,000 house?

    • Replies: @anthony aaron
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The Guardian (UK leftist rag) shows the house … and their business … a restaurant … with a sign in the window about wanting ca$h … the same thing you see in many immigrant communities in the US …

    R I L …

  4. When Syrians are not busy mass shooting they are busy pushing cocaine like this half Syrian guy playing Omar Suarez!

  5. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    Prediction: He will turn out to have been a cannabis enthusiast.

  6. @Redneck farmer
    "Still no motive determined in Colorado shooting".
    Going by history Steve, in Season Two of your show, or the sequel movie, we find the killer was befriended by an FBI agent, who was using him to track extremists.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @DCThrowback, @Almost Missouri

    And the Arab mass shooter in Boulder, Colorado Ahmad Al Aliwi Al-Issa is played by Arab actor Rami Malek.

    On second thought scratch that. Rami Malek is a Christian Arab not an Allahu Akbar Arab like Ahmad Al Aliwi Al-Issa, so it would be cultural appropriation. The actor needs to be Muslim in real life as well!

  7. ‘Yeah if these racist Islamophobic people would stop hacking my phone and let me have a normal life I probably could.’

    I see a good opportunity here for Amazon to create a separate AI virtual assistant for Muslims, “ALISSA”.

    “Alissa, what is the best place to shoot infidels?”

    In Facebook posts over the last two years, he complained about not having a girlfriend,

    This seems to be a common theme among many of these shooters, and if the data that AE posted recently about young men in their 20s “not getting any” is true, then I think we will be seeing a lot more of that…

    Also, Facebook and social media in general appear to be making mental illnesses worse, or at least increase feelings of envy, anger and isolation among young people.

    • Replies: @additionalMike
    @Dumbo

    Something like the Southeast Asian tradition of running amuck?

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Dumbo

    True on the sexual frustration angle.

    It's important to note their lack of "getting any" is almost always because they are overweight and/or unkempt video game addicts with little material resources, yet they still expect to date attractive women. Even the ones with seriously personality issues could probably find a partner if they settled for their overweight, unkempt female counterparts.

    Maybe Hollywood could help by producing some movies where slobs find happiness with other slobs.

  8. Maybe the Prestige Press giving that far-away incident colossal coverage for weeks and months was a little bit imprudent?

    Sailer: “You wanted anti-islamophibia, you are getting it! See what you have done!”
    Prestige Press: “Good”.

    The press:

    … He bought a Ruger AR- 556 pistol exactly a week ago on March 16, 2021.

    The law may say so but it’s clearly a carabine. Calling this a “pistol” is like calling a tank a “technical”:

    There is even one which is Freedom Styled:

    https://www.ruger.com/products/ar556Pistol/specSheets/8573.html

    Funnily, it was fuzzed out, pr0nz-style, until I “saved background image”. Probably a dwonload error.

  9. Obviously I condemn this man’s actions, but I wouldn’t put it past the enemy to have interfered with his communications devices. He’s obviously been outspoken about the Zionist attacks on Palestinians, and their American golems’ deliberate blood sacrifice of millions of gentiles throughout the Middle East. Does Mossad have some kind of automated process for targeting such people? Probably.

    And certainly, if the Zionist entity did not exist, this man would not have been in a white country in the first place.

  10. Remember the Neocon Rule: We had to fight them ‘over there’ so that, um, they could come over here and kill our mothers, sisters, brothers, daughters, what have you.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  11. I just looked at both NY TImes and Washington Post. Didn’t see one mention of “hate crime”.

  12. These people have an $800,000 house so there’s money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won’t talk about how they didn’t have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @notsaying


    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help.
     
    A fine idea--seriously--but there are at least three complicating factors. One, the USA is full to the brim with mental cases of one kind or another, and we're busy importing more as fast as we can.

    Two, our (MSM) is at work 24/7/365 to ensure that mental cases are provoked every which way to 'act out' against the Dreaded Wypipos, who are of course the proximate cause of every mental case's various issues.

    Three, and possibly worst of all, the quality of 'mental health care' in the USA is almost uniformly abysmal. Practitioners tend to be of average intelligence and poor training. Many have a surfeit of mental-health issues themselves, and many see the enterprise as a way of working out their own hostilities.

    This last item is the hardest to solve, but the fact is that we're not trying to solve any of them.
    , @Elli
    @notsaying


    These people have an $800,000 house so there’s money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?
     
    Maybe they did try. I knew a woman with a schizophrenic son. The family was well off; they tried everything, but he would not take his meds and he could not be committed unless he was a present threat. The acute hospitals try to move a patient on to subacute within three days, sub acute keeps a patient two to four weeks, and then he is released and can stop taking his meds. The young man killed both his parents.

    At least they did remove all the guns from the house...unlike the family of this killer: sister saw him "playing with a machine gun" and did nothing. I fully understand why they did not call the police to have it taken away, that might have led to his being killed. But couldn't they have done it themselves?
    , @Jack D
    @notsaying


    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.
     
    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don't really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don't lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don't have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn't. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @notsaying, @AnotherDad

    , @Captain Tripps
    @notsaying

    Generally agree with your point, but be careful. Discussing policy in the Age of Secular Progressivism is generally folly. People want a guaranteed "fix" to end the "problem", without any catches, and, forgetting the maxim that any policy solution itself will create one or more policy challenges. The poly/mono theisms of old came to terms with the existential point of it all. That is, there are no free lunches in this universe; no such thing as a risk-free existence. Trade-offs are always on offer, and built-in to the system. Better policies will helpfully reduce the incidence of the problem to a measurable degree, while keeping the "2nd and 3rd order effects" to a minimum.

    , @Bill H
    @notsaying

    Nope. It's easier to just blame the gun and make sure he can't buy one. Because, of course, nobody can buy a gun. We don't do hard solutions in this country. We only do easy solutions.

    , @James B. Shearer
    @notsaying

    "... so there’s money for doctors. .."

    The problem is that in many cases there is nothing much doctors can do for mentally ill people. Including making an reliable assessment of how dangerous they are.

    Replies: @anon, @notsaying

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @notsaying

    notsaying, I have no idea why your comment was flagged as humorous. There is, as you state, a lot more that we could be doing for the mentally ill in this country. It usually takes a violent interaction with the police before family, friends and neighbors come forward and discuss the perp's mental issues. I do not know the answer, but as Jack D says we don't know what horse to keep in the barn.

    , @HA
    @notsaying

    "Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate?"

    You make an excellent point, but this is just a variation of "see something; say something", which, again, doesn't work so well when the guy's name is something resembling Ahmad (or Muh-ammad). Once he declared himself to be a victim of islamophobic bullying, he was basically bulletproof. Would you want to be the counselor or psychiatrist who has to read a HuffPost/NYT headline -- it practically writes itself -- along the lines of "Gaslighting the victims: I told them I was being bullied for being a Muslim, and then they told me I was the one with 'mental issues'"?

    The opening paragraph will be something like "In a decision reminiscent of Soviet-era psychiatric wards for dissidents, a young Muslim man was subjected to court-supervised psychiatric...."

    , @Alden
    @notsaying

    Family might have, probably tried to get help. But there’s really no help. Unless a physician, not some fake useless psychologist counselor prescribed Xanax Prozac or other drug that totally calms him down. And if the patient takes the drugs every day. And if he’s functional enough that he doesn’t need a high dose that makes him too groggy and sleepy to function.

    Dr Sigmund Fraud and his talk therapy set research and treatment for mental illness back 100 years. And many medical schools are still stuck in useless Fraudian talk therapy.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Kylie
    @notsaying

    "People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won’t talk about how they didn’t have to happen."

    You mean controlled immigration. I'm with you on that. He and his family shouldn't have been let into our country* in the first place.

    *just a figure of speech.

  13. The bullying angle to this story is bullshit. He was a hs wrestler who kicked people’s asses randomly. It is obvious he learned he could get away with it by saying they called him a terrorist or whatever. He could be writing op-eds for the NY Times.

    • Thanks: Ragno
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @JimB
    @william munny


    The bullying angle to this story is bullshit. He was a hs wrestler who kicked people’s asses randomly. It is obvious he learned he could get away with it by saying they called him a terrorist or whatever.
     
    Like violent black perps justifying the assault or murder of a white person by alleging he or she said the N-word?
    , @AndrewR
    @william munny

    I would unironically not be surprised if they gave him a column. It's been quite a while since I believed that there is any limit to how openly evil the mainstream media could become.

    , @JimDandy
    @william munny

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boulder-shooter-threatened-fake-hate-crime-charges-against-classmates-he-attacked

  14. So the word “bully” now proprietarily means “white,” and the guy doing the beating isn’t a bully.

  15. “ Another document from the State Department dated 1998 highly suggests US interests in establishing a military presence in Yemen around the sea of Aden. Saudi-born Ali al-Ahmed of the Gulf Institute, a leading expert on Saudi politics and terrorism, told me that he is not at all surprised by the phone call between George Tenet and Yemen’s former president.
    “I’ve been saying this for a long time,” al-Ahmed told me. “People that think that these organizations; al-Qaeda, ISIS, are organic, non-state-backed organizations are either lying or are completely stupid. The fact that ISIS had all these American weapons, they didn’t come from thin air. This was part of a plan. The same thing with al-Qaeda; the fact that this organization which has been attacked all over the world continues to survive 20 years on, and spread, it’s not by accident. It’s done by security and intelligence organizations in Washington, D.C. and in , and by “

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/22/cia-yemen-al-qaeda-anwar-al-awlaki/

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/22/cia-yemen-al-qaeda-anwar-al-awlaki/

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/22/cia-

    And by UK- France and by – US vassals of ME.

    Hey Sailer!
    Do you think this guy was released by Iranian or Chinese or Venezuelan despite his long trainings by CIA
    and Army College and by Phoenix program ?

    When are going to attack Syria now for this ISIS ‘s barbaric murders ?

    Now America was really pissed off when Bangladesh denied US any role in investigation of cafe murder , USA really got mad when Bangladesh refused to link the attack to ISIS , thus denying US to bomb Bangladesh or drone Bangladeshi.

    • Thanks: Alden
    • Replies: @anon
    @Barr

    More Yeminis getting radicalized and being forced to commit unacceptable moral transgressions by USA and UK than meets the eyes of the - Psychologist of America, HRW,ICC,and by US voters

    1

    "The CIA and MI6, its British counterpart, have recruited hundreds of Yemenis to work as mercenaries and spies gathering intelligence and coordinates of Yemeni military positions in Marib, al-Mahrah, Sana’a and Sadaa, and providing that information to their handlers, according to confessions given to the Yemeni Security Intelligence Service (YSIS) by at least six Yemeni nationals currently on trial in Sana’a for violating Article 130 of Yemen’s Penal Code.

    The six men, who are being held in a detention facility in Sana’a, agreed to speak to MintPress about their experiences. They insist that abject poverty as a result of the ongoing war drove them to participate in the operation, which they said came with the promise of a $300 payout.

    According to the men, the operation was carried out primarily at the Ghaydah Airport in eastern al-Mahrah. There, they joined dozens of young Yemenis recruited by the CIA for training by American and British officers on how to properly identify and describe; the use of cameras, sophisticated software programs and devices used to share coordinates; information gathering; and how to find and identify military leaders and headquarters, workshops, factories, laboratories, warehouses, checkpoints and launching sites for missiles and drones. Even the locations of the personal homes and vehicles of Ansar Allah members and other vocal opponents of the Saudi intervention were sought, according to the men."




    https://www.mintpressnews.com/recruited-arrested-on-trial-yemen-spies-tell-of-reluctant-work-for-cia-mi6/276289/




    Also-

    2

    "Chris Hedges: The Evil Within Us
    Millions of largely white Americans, hermetically sealed within the ideology of the Christian Right, yearn to destroy the ‘Satanic’ forces they blame for the debacle of their lives. And one such evangelical just killed eight people in Atlanta.

    by Chris Hedges

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/chris-hedges-the-evil-within-us-christian-right/276349/

  16. This ultimate piece of shit. Handsome enough kid, wrestled, had friends. Ethnic grievance, psychotically anti white mainstream media and a touch of craziness is the reasons for this slaughter.

    Then his family in their 800k house knows all the “right” things to say. They got the playbook. Bullied muslim etc. it’s so insulting we live in such a pussified country. Piece of shit. Deport them all.

    • Agree: new Stalin
    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Danindc

    Americans used to know exactly how to deter these cretins. Towards the end of the Philippine Insurgency (partly caused by the Islamists' determination to continue their local practice of slavery).


    However, this period also demonstrated the success of new aggressive American tactics. According to Rear Admiral D.P. Mannix, who fought the Moros as a young lieutenant from 1907–1908, the Americans exploited Muslim taboos by wrapping dead Moros in pig's skin and "stuffing [their] mouth[s] with pork", thereby deterring the Moros from continuing with their suicide attacks.
     

    ".. juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that the Mohammadans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins." - J J "Black Jack" Pershing
     
    What happened to you?
  17. @william munny
    The bullying angle to this story is bullshit. He was a hs wrestler who kicked people's asses randomly. It is obvious he learned he could get away with it by saying they called him a terrorist or whatever. He could be writing op-eds for the NY Times.

    Replies: @JimB, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    The bullying angle to this story is bullshit. He was a hs wrestler who kicked people’s asses randomly. It is obvious he learned he could get away with it by saying they called him a terrorist or whatever.

    Like violent black perps justifying the assault or murder of a white person by alleging he or she said the N-word?

  18. Off Topic:

    Here’s a pleasant surprise. The UK proposes a serious, detailed approach to curtail illegal immigration. It seems like they tried to think of everything to stop the baloney and made appropriate changes. We will have to see if they stick to their guns and if it survives court challenges. They have a real advantage by not giving citizenship to all children born there. They can deport families who have been living there for a number of years with no worries about citizen children:

    “Illegal migrants will be denied the right to settle in the UK even if they are granted asylum under plans by Priti Patel to crush people-smuggling.

    The Home Secretary is proposing that those who get asylum will only be granted “temporary protection status”, which means they will be regularly reassessed for removal from the UK, have limited family reunion rights and no access to benefits unless destitute.

    Only those who come to the UK through legitimate routes – via official Government refugee schemes from war zones or to escape persecution – will be entitled to indefinite leave to remain.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-denied-settle-uk-191434721.html

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @notsaying


    Only those who come to the UK through legitimate routes – via official Government refugee schemes from war zones or to escape persecution
     
    Lawzy, we can drive a truck through that last bit, because lemme tell you my peoples been persecuted jes 'bout everywheres!

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @Wilkey
    @notsaying

    Interesting.

    I've been hearing mixed messages about the reliability of UK Conservatives on immigration. Deportations were apparently way down last year (by over 80%) and, far more importantly, they threw the flood gates wide open to millions of Hong Kongers.

    This news sounds a little better, but so far the overall news isn't good. The British people are being betrayed yet again.

    , @Alden
    @notsaying

    Sounds like a great law. Now all it needs is to be enforced.

  19. Even his family members knew there was something wrong with him, yet nobody did anything. I’m curious about this “blacking out” business too. Nobody wanted to admit there was something psychological and maybe physically too, wrong with the guy. Of course, ethnicity disappointingly now determined, the Lyin’ Press will proceed to make this about the guns only. That’s the narrative that this one will be inserted into.

    BTW, it’s too bad that the wresting didn’t help this guy take out his aggression. It’s a great sport, and one that doesn’t take anywhere near the amount of money and equipment that the big ones do. I’m just biased, but I wish Wrestling (the real stuff, not the silly Wrastling on TV) and Ultimate Frisbee would become more popular than Football, Basketball, and Communist Kickball.

    • Thanks: Nicholas Stix, SafeNow
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    When Steve writes about Disc Golf course architecture, you'll have won, AEN!

    , @Known Fact
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Right, if only he had played more Hacky Sack as a kid. Or had an acoustic guitar to mellow out with and play Sloop John B for the ladies.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Achmed E. Newman

    'I’m curious about this “blacking out” business too.'

    Common evasion ploy of Diverse™ thugs, so when questioned by cops the thug responds, "I dunno, man, dude called me a [racial epithet], I blacked out and don't remember anything after that," to avoid culpability for his actions. Judges and juries never buy it.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The "blacking out" business is just part of playing the crazy card, which is apparently a privilege reserved for members of AA groups.

    Didn't the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn't they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Chris Mallory, @SMK, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But how much organized wrestling is there for post-high school wrestlers who are not in college?

    Is it even a thing?

    Maybe Mexicans are less likely to become mass killers, because even in small towns in agricultural Florida there are fairly informal local Sunday soccer leagues in public parks where players can kick lumps out of each other.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Matt Buckalew
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Maybe if you could created a world where wrestlers aren’t just the kids with rage problems too slow to make the football team you could see your aspirations realized. You should get with Elon on that.

    As it is the popularity of sports in America is tied almost directly to how much pussy being on the team gets you in high school. Wrestlers get zero pussy. It’s time for the whites who take the bruthas on and beat them in real sports remind wrestlers why they are wrestling. Because your dad couldn’t make the football team in high school so he wrestled. If he had made the football team then he would have never encouraged his boy to wrestle. Lol.

  20. One thing that sets us apart at this moment in time from every other moment in time which makes this time unique by definition is:

    Our willing humour knowing our decline.

    Has any other race or ethnicity faced its knowing demise willingly submissive with only a helpless ironic humour to see then disembark the jetty as if inevitably swept up with the overwhelming course of nature?

  21. I see that the fact that Syrians are generally whites, albeit often swarthy whites, means that you needed to invent the term “Regular-American”. Such is life. Or death.

  22. @anonymous
    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Michelle, @Tiny Duck, @Captain Tripps, @JimDandy, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    The dude is white, which is why everyone treated this as a “white shooter” until they learned he was a Syrian Muslim which magically transformed him into an oppressed POC. Kamala’s niece even retracted a tweet containing anti-white hate speech because this particular killer was not “white” like she initially assumed.

  23. @william munny
    The bullying angle to this story is bullshit. He was a hs wrestler who kicked people's asses randomly. It is obvious he learned he could get away with it by saying they called him a terrorist or whatever. He could be writing op-eds for the NY Times.

    Replies: @JimB, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    I would unironically not be surprised if they gave him a column. It’s been quite a while since I believed that there is any limit to how openly evil the mainstream media could become.

    • Agree: Alden
  24. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help.

    A fine idea–seriously–but there are at least three complicating factors. One, the USA is full to the brim with mental cases of one kind or another, and we’re busy importing more as fast as we can.

    Two, our (MSM) is at work 24/7/365 to ensure that mental cases are provoked every which way to ‘act out’ against the Dreaded Wypipos, who are of course the proximate cause of every mental case’s various issues.

    Three, and possibly worst of all, the quality of ‘mental health care’ in the USA is almost uniformly abysmal. Practitioners tend to be of average intelligence and poor training. Many have a surfeit of mental-health issues themselves, and many see the enterprise as a way of working out their own hostilities.

    This last item is the hardest to solve, but the fact is that we’re not trying to solve any of them.

  25. @notsaying
    Off Topic:

    Here's a pleasant surprise. The UK proposes a serious, detailed approach to curtail illegal immigration. It seems like they tried to think of everything to stop the baloney and made appropriate changes. We will have to see if they stick to their guns and if it survives court challenges. They have a real advantage by not giving citizenship to all children born there. They can deport families who have been living there for a number of years with no worries about citizen children:

    "Illegal migrants will be denied the right to settle in the UK even if they are granted asylum under plans by Priti Patel to crush people-smuggling.

    The Home Secretary is proposing that those who get asylum will only be granted "temporary protection status", which means they will be regularly reassessed for removal from the UK, have limited family reunion rights and no access to benefits unless destitute.

    Only those who come to the UK through legitimate routes – via official Government refugee schemes from war zones or to escape persecution – will be entitled to indefinite leave to remain."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-denied-settle-uk-191434721.html

    Replies: @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Alden

    Only those who come to the UK through legitimate routes – via official Government refugee schemes from war zones or to escape persecution

    Lawzy, we can drive a truck through that last bit, because lemme tell you my peoples been persecuted jes ’bout everywheres!

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Polistra

    A Truck of Peace, no doubt. It's become traditional in Europe/UK, now that Christmas is on the verge of abolition.

  26. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    The father of the shooter, Moustafa Alissa, is obviously what the late John McCain (piss be upon him) would call a “moderate Salafist”. Moustafa on his social media talks about revenge against his Islamic brothers and who hates Assad, Putin, and Trump and thinks anyone opposing Erdogan is a soldier of Satan.

    As Ann Coulter always says, “Our future country is gonna be great!”

  27. The shooter hated Trump. IOW he suffered from Trump Derangement Syndrome, so must be just another good Democrat. (Chuck Schumer can relate.)

    Pity he’ll now be locked away for life, since if he only self-identified as a woman, Joe Biden had made it possible for the shooter to resume his bright career in wrestling in women’s leagues. (He would be one of those new fangled women, not one with just a penis but with a full beard.)

  28. “sound like he was on angel dust”

    Most drugs, if used continuously, will render the user paranoid.

    Half of all Democrat voters are such because they identify Republicans with law enforcement and just want to be left alone to do their drug of choice in peace. That’s why they move to states or cities with lax drug enforcement and this accounts for the explosion of homeless people in tolerant, so-called liberal cities. The results speak for themselves. Small businesses fail because customers don’t want to run the gauntlet of dirty, mangy, scary, drooling addicts beshitting themselves on the sidewalks. Tourists stay home in droves, solid citizens head for the suburbs, tax revenues fall and it becomes of paramount importance for the Democratic Party to win the national election for president so that they can control the spigot of federal funds to direct loot to the failing cities that house their loyal constituents. Anything goes to gain this end, as we have just witnessed.

    Almost any drug, if used to excess, will engender paranoia or anti-social behavior. What happens is that a person’s better self realizes that the integrity of the whole (what Jung called the Self) is being violated by ingestion of a poison. The poison is preventing the individual from coming to grips with the world as it is and is therefore inhibiting spiritual, emotional, professional and interpersonal growth. The Self tries to call the ego back to reality by sending dream messages and such, but the individual ignores them or tries to cancel them with yet more drug induced euphoria. A vicious spiral is set up that results in the subject’s death or disablement.

    As I say, half of all Democrats suffer from this disorder. This is why they deny that there is a world out there that exists independently of their perception and that there is a Truthful way of representing that world. To admit that there is such would be to acknowledge the Truth of the voice within them which is calling them back to their true selves, their wholesome Wholes. Almost every long-term pot smoker whom I know is a cripple.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Thanks: Jay Fink
    • Replies: @Lurker
    @ThreeCranes


    Almost every long-term pot smoker whom I know is a cripple
     
    I know a couple of people who were long-term pot smokers both of whom had the self-possession to realise what it was doing to them and stopped. I think they both miss it but know they can't go back to it. I just wish more people could be like that.

    One of them said to me years ago - "You could smoke dope, you're well adjusted." Well yeah, thanks, and that's why I'm not going to take it up as a pastime.

    , @Jay Fink
    @ThreeCranes

    The long-term daily pot smokers I know are all in bad shape. They are filled with paranoid delusions. One of them is in his 50s and moved back home with mom and dad because he can no longer function. Another one went from being ambitious and hard working to staying home and collecting Social Security disability (which she buys weed with). Yet society has normalized pot use, encouraging its use like it's a health supplement. Most people have a high opinion of it. The question is are the forces that are promoting it's use naive or are they well aware of the dangers and still want people to use it?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  29. I wonder why he went to Boulder to commit his atrocity. I don’t know about Colorado concealed weapons laws, but Boulder is probably the place in Colorado least likely to have an armed civilian present to cut short his spree. As for stripping off his clothes, that might also be to show that he had no explosives on his body, the suspected presence of which might have given the responding police a reason to shoot him dead on the spot.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Diversity Heretic

    Stripping off the clothes to show he was not wearing an explosive device shows he did some Internet research on how to avoid being shot by police after a shooting.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Diversity Heretic


    As for stripping off his clothes, that might also be to show that he had no explosives on his body, the suspected presence of which might have given the responding police a reason to shoot him dead on the spot.
     
    Agree. Is there a source saying this guy went on his shooting spree half naked? If not, I would attribute his nakedness to law enforcement. I think it is a thing with LE in western states that it is safer to bring in this type of perp by having him strip down. I would guess it was part of the terms of surrender they imposed on him.
  30. There’s obviously a mental health angle here but that begs the question…..why is this dude here instead of in a mental hospital in Syria??

    That being said the FBI “knowing of him” stinks to high heaven & i presume could be a similar scenario to the Marathon Bombers….

    I’m getting the feeling this is also similar to the Ft. Hood shootings…..that guy…..Hasan or whatever would often threaten people who criticized his Moslem faith and so forth. A case of mental illness meets Islamic Disgruntledism….

    And an 800k house????? The hell does his family do for a living…..i know ppl here where i live working litetal 100 hr weeks doing 3 jobs living in 40 yr old half decrepit 120k homes….

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Neoconned

    Dad probably owns a money laundering tax evading slave illegal immigrant labor crooked business. Maybe a gas station with rigged pumps to charge about 3/4 of a gallon more than is pumped into the car.

    Maybe a dry cleaner that doesn’t clean, but just irons the clothes. Maybe a food market store that runs the food stamp card through swiper for a $100.00 purchase gives the welfare recipient $50.00 and pockets $50.00. All the soap toiletries detergent etc is purchased from a professional shoplifting ring Maybe rents a small store front, buys those huge copy machines for a small down payment then sells the machines for $150,000 cash, disappears and rents another store front under another name.
    Small clothing store whose entire stock fell of a truck. Rigged credit card swiped sells the names and numbers to other criminals.

    A thousand and one reasons I’m not a cuck conservative. Immigrant business owners are all corrupt crooks, except for Hispanics. But heartland cuck conservative Econ 101 idiots love, love love crooked immigrant business people.

    Replies: @JMcG

  31. “And then in the crowd-pleasing season one finale, our hero murders ten white people at the supermarket. I’m not sure where Season Two goes, but I’ll think of something.”

    Better call Saul.

  32. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

    He sounds like an extreme case of a “targeted individual”. Targeted individuals believe that they are being surveilled by sinister cabals of malevolent people, and they have a special fixation on cellphones/technology as the means of their surveillance. Unfortunately, the combination of drugs and cellphones has increased the number of people like this; you can easily google to find their websites.
    Whether the “anti-racist” fixation of this shooter caused him to snap, I honestly couldn’t say. I’ve been expecting a “targeted individual”-related shooting for some time.

  33. I believe the woke term for ‘regular American’ is ‘legacy’ or ‘obsolete American’.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Altai


    I believe the woke term for ‘regular American’ is ‘legacy’ or ‘obsolete American’.
     
    The most up-to-date term is "domestic terrorist".
  34. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:

    Submitted for your discussion…

    I once came face to face with a would-be mass shooter, who told me in casual conversation what he was about to do, and showed me all his guns… and I sat there calmly and talked him out of doing it. He listened to what I said, then decided not to kill a bunch of people, and he left and went on his merry way, and was never heard from again, at least not to my knowledge. I reckon about a dozen or so people, myself included, are alive and kicking today simply because this nutcase was willing to have a calm, civilized conversation.

    That’s about as close as I ever hope to get to being near one of these psychos.

    Anybody else have any near-miss stories like this?

  35. Nothing dispels Islamaphobic tropes quite like slaughtering a bunch of strangers at a grocery store.

    • LOL: fish
  36. Lunatics who run amok with guns belong to a variety of ethnic groups, but they have one thing in common–they are nearly always Americans and are products of the US public education system.

    It may not be entirely coincidental that the US is one of the very few nations that positively encourages paranoid people to buy guns to defend themselves.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @RSDB
    @Jonathan Mason


    nearly always
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spree_shootings_in_Canada (12 pages)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spree_shootings_in_the_United_States (74 pages)

    74/12 = 6.17 (to two decimal places)

    Pop(US)/Pop(Canada) ~= (328/38) = 8.63 (2 dec.)

    (Spree(Can)/Pop(Can)) / (Spree(US)/Pop(US)) ~= 1.40 (2 dec.)

    Obviously this is not a very scientific measurement, but ...

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Jonathan Mason

    Actually, the vast majority of firearm mass and serial murderers in the US are black.

    Replies: @Jack D

  37. Steve:

    Like I’ve been saying, there are two main types of mass shootings: the ones in which the shooters don’t try to get away because they’d rather stick around and finish off the wounded and the kind where the shooters leave a lot of wounded because they want to run away.

    But this killer finished off the wounded and then stripped down to his shorts so SWAT could see he was unarmed: he wanted very much to live and knew their rules of engagement.

    Obviously paranoid schizophrenic and obviously capable of self-control.

  38. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    These people have an $800,000 house so there’s money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    Maybe they did try. I knew a woman with a schizophrenic son. The family was well off; they tried everything, but he would not take his meds and he could not be committed unless he was a present threat. The acute hospitals try to move a patient on to subacute within three days, sub acute keeps a patient two to four weeks, and then he is released and can stop taking his meds. The young man killed both his parents.

    At least they did remove all the guns from the house…unlike the family of this killer: sister saw him “playing with a machine gun” and did nothing. I fully understand why they did not call the police to have it taken away, that might have led to his being killed. But couldn’t they have done it themselves?

  39. When do the nation’s flags go to half staff?

  40. @Achmed E. Newman
    Even his family members knew there was something wrong with him, yet nobody did anything. I'm curious about this "blacking out" business too. Nobody wanted to admit there was something psychological and maybe physically too, wrong with the guy. Of course, ethnicity disappointingly now determined, the Lyin' Press will proceed to make this about the guns only. That's the narrative that this one will be inserted into.

    BTW, it's too bad that the wresting didn't help this guy take out his aggression. It's a great sport, and one that doesn't take anywhere near the amount of money and equipment that the big ones do. I'm just biased, but I wish Wrestling (the real stuff, not the silly Wrastling on TV) and Ultimate Frisbee would become more popular than Football, Basketball, and Communist Kickball.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Nicholas Stix, @Jonathan Mason, @Matt Buckalew

    When Steve writes about Disc Golf course architecture, you’ll have won, AEN!

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  41. Mental illness is much more common among peoples who practice consanguineous marriage. Wonder what the back story on Ahmed is.

  42. Syrians don’t belong in America… and U.S. troops don’t belong in Syria. Bring back antebellum foreign policy and antebellum immigration policy!

    (BTW, WTF is a Syrian immigrant doing living in Arvada in an $800K house? I sure as hell can’t afford that…)

  43. @anonymous
    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Michelle, @Tiny Duck, @Captain Tripps, @JimDandy, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    First cousin marriages.

  44. @Jonathan Mason
    Lunatics who run amok with guns belong to a variety of ethnic groups, but they have one thing in common--they are nearly always Americans and are products of the US public education system.

    It may not be entirely coincidental that the US is one of the very few nations that positively encourages paranoid people to buy guns to defend themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D, @RSDB, @Nicholas Stix

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a “well regulated militia”. Certainly in colonial times they weren’t giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between “paranoid” in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense – when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it’s not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Jack D

    Agreed on nutz with gunz, but I do think we could use a little more of that there "paranoia in the colloquial sense." To some extent at least it also goes by the term "critical thinking" and is all too rare.

    , @Rooster11
    @Jack D

    Those are all great points, and I think you’d have a tough time finding a reasonable person who would disagree if it was enforced like you describe... However, the process of determination will quickly become perverted. Just like with the “fact checkers” who determine “truth or fiction” in news articles, or what constitutes hate speech, we know the process will become corrupted and the discretion to choose who’s a bit paranoid versus who’s clinically paranoid will be political.

    The problem has never been coming up with common sense legislation, it’s how and who decides when it’s enforced that’s the problem. I wouldn’t leave anything up to this administration, because it’ll simply become an anti-White gun grab. People who were in the vicinity of the Capitol on Jan 6 are being called terrorists, who were just watching! You’re going to leave it up to this administration to decide if you’re worthy of owning a firearm or not... no way!

    , @Muggles
    @Jack D


    People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns.
     
    Yes, sounds good.

    So how exactly do we find that out about a crazyperson? Does the CDC issue a button they have to wear? Tattoo?

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition. And one that says something about you not engaging in crime.

    But despite the paperwork, crazy folks and criminals manage to buy guns. Maybe they are dishonest?

    It's almost as if your mental state of mind, sanity and inclination to commit a crime is just not obvious to the casual observer or by a questionnaire. "People are hard to figure out."

    Woke Narnia is going to get to work on that.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Dr. DoomNGloom

    , @Dr. X
    @Jack D


    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster.
     
    The problem is that the government cannot be trusted to enact such a policy in good faith.

    In point of fact it is already illegal for a person who has been adjudicated mentally ill or been involuntarily committed to a mental institution to possess a firearm. There's really no dispute about someone who is a raving paranoid schizophrenic and has been committed.

    However, the concept of "mental illness" involves a broad spectrum of often politically-motivated "diagnoses" such as "Oppositional Defiance Disorder." Not long ago, homosexuality was considered a mental illness; today, opposition to homosexuality might considered a "red flag."

    Contemporary "red flag" laws allow the armed seizure of one's firearms by the SWAT team without due process and without facing one's accuser on flimsy hearsay such as "I'm afraid of him" or "I think he's crazy." Next on the Biden/Harris list is almost certainly going to be "I think he's a white supremacist, domestic terrorist Trump supporter" or "he's a member of the Proud Boys."

    If a government run by Social Justice Warriors is given the ability to deny gun rights to anyone they think is mentally ill, they are going to define everyone who wants a gun as mentally ill -- even hunters.

    I can hear it now -- "you must be mentally ill if you want to slaughter innocent Bambi," etc....

    , @Thomas
    @Jack D

    "Mental illness" as a criterion to bar someone completely from exercise of a Constitutional right is terrifying and dangerous. First of all, how is "mental illness" defined and by whom? Did someone have to see a therapist for awhile after suffering a loss? Have they ever taken psychiatric medications for any condition? (A huge percentage of the country has at some point.) It's already blindingly obvious that the modern American left, true to form for any incipient totalitarian movement, regards its opposition as presumptively mentally ill and would bar them from participating in public life altogether. Democrats in New York have already proposed a law to screen gun license applicants' social media for badthink.

    The criterion should be what it already is: whether someone has been adjudicated by a court, on the basis of clear and convincing evidence and with notice and opportunity for a hearing, that they pose a danger to themselves or others. And that criterion, danger, is what people should be watching for. I've said this since Sandy Hook. The general public isn't qualified to diagnose strangers with mental illness. They'd call anyone who seems to them a little weird "mentally ill." People understand danger though, and threatening behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @vhrm

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    I’m basically to the point where I automatically discount anything that comes out of a newsreader’s mouth or that is printed on the front page of a newspaper. If that’s paranoid, so be it.
    The problem, as always, is that the people who will decide that one has the mental competency to own firearms will be the same sort of people that are in charge of issuing concealed carry permits in NYC.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a “well regulated militia”. Certainly in colonial times they weren’t giving muskets out to the village idiot.
     
    I don't know about Al-Issa, but what you find in the backgrounds of a lot of the mass shooters is frequently the prescription and administration of psychotropic medications or the abrupt cessation of their use before the shooting. They're indicated for suicidal ideation.

    Naturally, the pharmaceutical companies dwarf the gun industry and the NRA in sheer size and reach. It would not surprise me if the real scandal here is that the psychoactive medications cause homicidal ideation in some and this fact has been suppressed. The institutional Press has a conflict of interest because as I'm sure you're aware Big Pharma advertises a lot on network television and in print media (Pharma ads were like half of the print in Newsweek before they stopped printing).

    So, of course Big Pharma has an abiding interest in making these shootings by users of their products about the guns to deflect attention from a common thread uniting mass shootings (the first kind, as Steve would put it - not the ghetto beef mass shootings).
  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    Even his family members knew there was something wrong with him, yet nobody did anything. I'm curious about this "blacking out" business too. Nobody wanted to admit there was something psychological and maybe physically too, wrong with the guy. Of course, ethnicity disappointingly now determined, the Lyin' Press will proceed to make this about the guns only. That's the narrative that this one will be inserted into.

    BTW, it's too bad that the wresting didn't help this guy take out his aggression. It's a great sport, and one that doesn't take anywhere near the amount of money and equipment that the big ones do. I'm just biased, but I wish Wrestling (the real stuff, not the silly Wrastling on TV) and Ultimate Frisbee would become more popular than Football, Basketball, and Communist Kickball.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Nicholas Stix, @Jonathan Mason, @Matt Buckalew

    Right, if only he had played more Hacky Sack as a kid. Or had an acoustic guitar to mellow out with and play Sloop John B for the ladies.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Known Fact

    No, not hacky sack. That's the worst idea yet. All the guys that do that are on "the pot". It's a gateway drug to terrorism. If he'd have been able to play Sloop John B like Dwight Yoakam, yeah, I think he'd have turned out OK:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md09xy8ffX8

  46. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Agreed on nutz with gunz, but I do think we could use a little more of that there “paranoia in the colloquial sense.” To some extent at least it also goes by the term “critical thinking” and is all too rare.

  47. 20 years after 9/11…Muslims get to come in LEGALLY and 1)slaughter White Americans and vote White Americans…The Historic Racial Majority…into a White Racial Minority within the borders of America.

    All that had to happen right after 9/11 was to boot the Muslims out of OUR AMERICA and implement a National Origins Immigration Policy that excluded all Muslims. Instead we got an eternal White Working Class Cannon Fodder Occupation of the Middle East and Muslim “American” Immigration Layers scrounging around John Tanton’s denoted boxes full of his writings at the University of Michigan and….taunting Native Born White Americans on twitter about their demographic demise.

    Was Roll Tide Football worth it?

  48. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don’t really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don’t lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don’t have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn’t. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver's license? Wouldn't there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @By-tor, @Crawfurdmuir, @Reg Cæsar, @Paul Mendez, @Alden

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Jack D

    "If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn’t."

    You're dating yourself, Jack. We don't do easy solutions in this country anymore, Jack. Otherwise, we would have stopped immigration from Moslem countries on September 12, 2001.

    Replies: @Ragno, @Wilkey

    , @Anon
    @Jack D


    Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don’t lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions).
     
    I would guess that holding radical views would be a much better indicator of a potential terrorist or deadly mass shooter than prior criminal behavior.

    Nowadays to get a U.S. security clearance (at the secret/TS/SCI levels) your social media, finances, et al., will be monitored. Ahmad Al-Issa was talking jihadi crap on social media as was his father, Moustafa. These two were on the FBI radar, the FBI has said so.

    A guy who is known to the FBI and has ties to Syrian Salafi jihadis should not be allowed to buy a gun (or NH₄NO₃, castor beans, thallium, pilot’s license, etc.).

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings.
     
    I suppose the issue here might be that people who staff the FBI etc. may actually believe the neoliberal Bugman shibboleths. In which case, investigating a crazy Muslim with anger issues maybe didn't get the attention it should have gotten because that's racist or something, while attention has been drawn to the left's object of hate - your white nationalist terrorist (really, the Democrats' domestic political enemies who are all identified as white nationalists).
    , @notsaying
    @Jack D

    We don't have to identify all the ones who will go on to do something crazy.

    If we got most people who need it some help that would be an huge step forward for mental health care in America.

    But we should pay special attention to people with serious mental illness. We do not do that. We in essence deny the existence of serious mental illness by offering so few resources to deal with it.

    We need far more inpatient beds. We need to allow people to stay inpatient based on their illness, not our desire to save money.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn’t.
     
    Oh please. Give the immigrationism a rest.

    Sane, mature responsible people--who actually care about their nation--don't just look for some utopian"a solution", to social problems, they look for things that improve--rather than screw up--society.

    Even after you toss out all the routine blacks-shooting-blacks stuff, over half of what's left is still "diversity makes us more trigger happy". The proportion that are flat out immigrants or nursing some sort of basically immigration/diversity related issue--not fitting in, not getting white girls, people looking at them funny, fixation on some overseas grievance--is large.

    My fellow white people aren't the most bolted down folks in the world, but absent "diversity" the joint gets a lot more sane. Not adding even less bolted down foreigners to the mix is the easiest--most obvious and sensible--improvement imaginable.

    If we could deport everyone all excited and emotionally invested in some foreign mess--Israel/Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Cyprus, the Balkans, Northern Ireland, Kurdistan, Armenia, Kashmir, Punjab, Burma, Uighurs, Tibet, Taiwan ... including anything and everything in Africa ... that would be a huge upgrade to the comity and sanity of our nation as well.

    Rein in the minoritarian insanity and everything gets better. And then we can start improving--eugenics, executing or expelling crims, locking up loons, return to patriarchy

    This obsessive Jewish immigrationism--immigration now and forever without end--is just a sociopathic nightmare. An offense against reason, logic, mathematics, morality--against basic human nature, against humanity.
  49. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    So this clown is 21 now but moved to the US at 3…

    21-3=18 years ago -and – the current year 2021-18= 2003.

    2003 was the year that Dubya-the-dumbbell launched a completely avoidable, unnecessary war in Iraq. So a mere 2 years after the worst Islamic terrorist attacks in US history we let this loser and his family into the country and pointlessly invaded another country killing and maiming thousands of Americans and wasting trillions of dollars.
    I seem to remember someone having a phrase for this… it sounded something like invade the world, invite the world I believe.
    Both this and 9/11 are immigration stories- but let’s fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here!!

  50. THE CAMP OF SAINTS is very real in 2021….it’s very serious…..

  51. @Achmed E. Newman
    Even his family members knew there was something wrong with him, yet nobody did anything. I'm curious about this "blacking out" business too. Nobody wanted to admit there was something psychological and maybe physically too, wrong with the guy. Of course, ethnicity disappointingly now determined, the Lyin' Press will proceed to make this about the guns only. That's the narrative that this one will be inserted into.

    BTW, it's too bad that the wresting didn't help this guy take out his aggression. It's a great sport, and one that doesn't take anywhere near the amount of money and equipment that the big ones do. I'm just biased, but I wish Wrestling (the real stuff, not the silly Wrastling on TV) and Ultimate Frisbee would become more popular than Football, Basketball, and Communist Kickball.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Nicholas Stix, @Jonathan Mason, @Matt Buckalew

    ‘I’m curious about this “blacking out” business too.’

    Common evasion ploy of Diverse™ thugs, so when questioned by cops the thug responds, “I dunno, man, dude called me a [racial epithet], I blacked out and don’t remember anything after that,” to avoid culpability for his actions. Judges and juries never buy it.

  52. @anonymous
    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Michelle, @Tiny Duck, @Captain Tripps, @JimDandy, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    Not higher than white males who commit most of the muder

    If white men don’t suck then why does EVERYONE aside from white males keep saying they do?

    This tragedy was caused by white supremacy in the form of racism and islamophobia and it says SO MUCH about you people that you are trying to obfuscate the issue of gun violence and the need for reform as well white male entitlement.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Tiny Duck

    I miss the old Tiny Duck who would open himself to us, sharing the details of his homosexual relationship with his long-time partner, his pastoral work of encouraging white girls to bed Men of Color (somewhere in there, he supposedly taught some sort of subject), his unutterable shame at being a "white male," only partially redeemed by his aforementioned sexual orientation. His inevitable injunction to "READ LEONARD PITTS," his nearly indecipherable string of misspellings and missing words, his "THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHİNG RİGHT THERE" debate-clinchers.

    Now all we get is recycled boilerplate. Ducks ain't what they used to be.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Tiny Duck

    '...If white men don’t suck then why does EVERYONE aside from white males keep saying they do?'

    Jealousy?

    As we demonstrated on January 6th, any time we want it all back, we can just take it. All we have to do is reach out. WE BARELY EVEN NEED TO TRY.

  53. @Jonathan Mason
    Lunatics who run amok with guns belong to a variety of ethnic groups, but they have one thing in common--they are nearly always Americans and are products of the US public education system.

    It may not be entirely coincidental that the US is one of the very few nations that positively encourages paranoid people to buy guns to defend themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D, @RSDB, @Nicholas Stix

    nearly always

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spree_shootings_in_Canada (12 pages)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Spree_shootings_in_the_United_States (74 pages)

    74/12 = 6.17 (to two decimal places)

    Pop(US)/Pop(Canada) ~= (328/38) = 8.63 (2 dec.)

    (Spree(Can)/Pop(Can)) / (Spree(US)/Pop(US)) ~= 1.40 (2 dec.)

    Obviously this is not a very scientific measurement, but …

  54. @Jack D
    @notsaying


    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.
     
    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don't really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don't lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don't have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn't. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @notsaying, @AnotherDad

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver’s license? Wouldn’t there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting “Fire” in a crowded theater

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why should convicted felons of one state be barred from buying guns in another state?

    The felony for which they were convicted may have had absolutely nothing to do with violence or guns. It could have been for tax evasion or pedophilia.

    They could be former lawyers who swindled their clients, served time in prison, and now need a gun to protect themselves.

    The real reason for banning convicted felons from buying guns are clearly 1) that judges are thinking about protecting themselves from vengeance, and 2) that it provides a nice easy way of sending gang members back to prison for violating probation.

    , @By-tor
    @Jonathan Mason


    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.
     

    Former felons have been prohibited by federal and all state laws from possessing rimfire and centerfire guns for 53 years. The questions on a Form 4473 pertaining to misdemeanors, mental illness, drug use and domestic violence are on the form. Non-resident and resident aliens are permitted to buy firearms provided they meet documentation requirements, and they must also fill out the same Form 4473 as a US citizen.

    https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    , @Crawfurdmuir
    @Jonathan Mason


    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.
     
    The rationale for denying convicted felons the right to own firearms is the same as that for the other civil disabilities that apply (or at least used to apply) to convicted felons, such as loss of the right to vote or to be elected to public office. All felonies were originally capital offenses (see Blackstone). Gradually the death penalty ceased to apply to most felonies, but the felon was still considered "civilly dead" and lost many of the rights of a citizen.

    The Fourteenth Amendment provides (§1) that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." In §2 it provides that "Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

    Thus, a person who has been duly convicted of a crime may be condemned to suffer slavery or some other form of involuntary servitude as a punishment. This can include such limitations on his freedom for the remainder of his life as Congress shall legislate.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

     

    "It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to [cast a vote] to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence."
    , @Paul Mendez
    @Jonathan Mason


    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.
     
    Many people with issues involving things like anger, depression, paranoia and grandiose delusions are still sane enough to lie when they realize they are being subjected to a high-stakes psychological evaluation.
    , @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    You expect criminals to sign an affidavit they have never been convicted of a crime and are not mentally ill? LOL

    Many states have a waiting period , 3-5 days. The gun shop dealer or licensed dealer who has a booth at the swap meet just enters the buyers information into a national crime data base and if the prospective buyer has a criminal conviction he can’t but the gun when he returns.

    Dealers often refuse to sell to Black women because it’s well known that since so many black men are criminals who can’t buy guns, dealers assume any black woman might be buying it for a criminal man.

    Most guns used by black criminals are bought privately. Many are stolen either from army bases, shops or private homes and shops during burglaries. Many guns never used in crimes are bought privately inherited given as gifts whatever

    Read any gun control proposal. You will find it’s already a law. And legally, it’s not possible to deny any person never convicted, not just charged with a felony to buy a gun in the million to 1 chance he might go to a supermarket and shoot ten strangers .

    As for the attack in a fellow student, he was a minor and no matter what he did the record of a minor would be concealed and not on any law enforcement database. If he was charged it was probably a misdemeanor A&B.

    You don’t live in America do you?

  55. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Those are all great points, and I think you’d have a tough time finding a reasonable person who would disagree if it was enforced like you describe… However, the process of determination will quickly become perverted. Just like with the “fact checkers” who determine “truth or fiction” in news articles, or what constitutes hate speech, we know the process will become corrupted and the discretion to choose who’s a bit paranoid versus who’s clinically paranoid will be political.

    The problem has never been coming up with common sense legislation, it’s how and who decides when it’s enforced that’s the problem. I wouldn’t leave anything up to this administration, because it’ll simply become an anti-White gun grab. People who were in the vicinity of the Capitol on Jan 6 are being called terrorists, who were just watching! You’re going to leave it up to this administration to decide if you’re worthy of owning a firearm or not… no way!

  56. @anonymous
    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Michelle, @Tiny Duck, @Captain Tripps, @JimDandy, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    There you go with that per capita s**t again. Didn’t you already get the memo, bigot? That’s white supremacism right there.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-use-of-per-capita-statistics-is-white-nationalist/

    • Agree: Thurston
  57. @Jonathan Mason
    Lunatics who run amok with guns belong to a variety of ethnic groups, but they have one thing in common--they are nearly always Americans and are products of the US public education system.

    It may not be entirely coincidental that the US is one of the very few nations that positively encourages paranoid people to buy guns to defend themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D, @RSDB, @Nicholas Stix

    Actually, the vast majority of firearm mass and serial murderers in the US are black.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Nicholas Stix

    He didn't say otherwise. He said that they are nearly always Americans and are products of the US public education system - this includes black people.

    As Steve points out in another thread, black and white mass shooters have very distinct profiles and behaviors and really should not be lumped together. Shooting up the funeral of a rival gang member and fleeing is an almost exclusively black thang and is not the same thing as methodically shooting a bunch of random strangers and then surrendering or killing yourself, which is a white/Muslim thing. Shooting up your workplace or school is done by all races. "Mass shooting" is really too broad a category and we should have three distinct names for the different types of attacks now that they are so common, but we don't really have the vocabulary for these things.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

  58. Any word on how he got here? Chain migration, refugee, aslyee etc?

  59. The racist Boulder Police stripped him to underwear to check to see if he has a suicide vest on. It had nothing to do with drugs. These people have been known to spontaneously exploded before.

  60. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    Generally agree with your point, but be careful. Discussing policy in the Age of Secular Progressivism is generally folly. People want a guaranteed “fix” to end the “problem”, without any catches, and, forgetting the maxim that any policy solution itself will create one or more policy challenges. The poly/mono theisms of old came to terms with the existential point of it all. That is, there are no free lunches in this universe; no such thing as a risk-free existence. Trade-offs are always on offer, and built-in to the system. Better policies will helpfully reduce the incidence of the problem to a measurable degree, while keeping the “2nd and 3rd order effects” to a minimum.

  61. @Jack D
    @notsaying


    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.
     
    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don't really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don't lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don't have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn't. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @notsaying, @AnotherDad

    “If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn’t.”

    You’re dating yourself, Jack. We don’t do easy solutions in this country anymore, Jack. Otherwise, we would have stopped immigration from Moslem countries on September 12, 2001.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @Nicholas Stix

    Wasn't that amazing? When 9/11 happened, the initial question I asked (and asked, and asked, and am still asking) was where in God's name were the F-16s? Any hijacked planes redirected towards population centers are supposed to be shot down if they do not comply with orders to land. Shooting down commercial aircraft would be a tragedy, and a weapon in the hands of our fifth-column fourth-estate, but allowing FOUR hijacked aircraft to do what they did, unmolested by our air defenses, was more than a tragedy - it was an as-yet-unremarked-upon scandal.

    The reason, however, I did not immediately ask why have we not ceased all immigration from hostile third-world states was because.....and this is dating myself, I understand....I assumed, following an atrocity like 9/11, that any government comprised of grown-ups aware of which side they were on would have done so without being prompted by media or citizenry. If there was a radicalizing moment, or series of them, that awakened me to the ongoing "existential threat" presented by our embedded traitor class, it wasn't solely 9/11 but its hideous aftermath - the Deep State feigning hearing loss on immigration, the dancing rooftop Israelis, that sick joke of the "commission hearings", and above all, the wide dissemination of that vile and treasonous Project For A New American Century doctrine of perpetual war, Rebuilding America's Defenses.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Wilkey
    @Nicholas Stix

    1) The Boulder murderer.*

    2) The NAS Pensacola terrorist.

    3) The San Bernardino terrorist.

    4) The Boston Marathon terrorists.

    Four major acts of violence all of which could have been stopped had we simply chosen to stop Muslim immigration after 9/11. Instead we decided to fight Islamic extremism by letting millions more of them into our country (and other Western countries), spending trillions of dollars on two pointless wars (one of which we are still fighting), losing thousands of American servicemen, permanently crippling tens of thousands of other American servicemen, and turning America into a massive surveillance state restricting our rights and our freedoms.

    * Note that I'm not sure I would consider al-Issa a terrorist. See my other comment. He was radicalized by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media, not ISIS.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Achmed E. Newman

  62. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns.

    Yes, sounds good.

    So how exactly do we find that out about a crazyperson? Does the CDC issue a button they have to wear? Tattoo?

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition. And one that says something about you not engaging in crime.

    But despite the paperwork, crazy folks and criminals manage to buy guns. Maybe they are dishonest?

    It’s almost as if your mental state of mind, sanity and inclination to commit a crime is just not obvious to the casual observer or by a questionnaire. “People are hard to figure out.”

    Woke Narnia is going to get to work on that.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @Muggles


    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition.
     
    Form 4473 asks "Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"


    Here are the instructions for that question.

    Question 21.f. Adjudicated as a Mental Defective: A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person,as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) isa danger to himself or to others; or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs. This term shall include: (1) a finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and (2) those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility.

    Committed to a Mental Institution: A formal commitment of a person to a mental institution by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority.
    It also includes a commitment to a mental institution involuntarily. The term includes commitment for mental defectiveness or mental illness. It also includes commitments other reasons, such as for drug use. The term does not include a person in a mental institution for observation or a voluntary admission to a mental institution.
    , @Jack D
    @Muggles

    It's not wrong to ask these questions on the firearms application - at the very least it gives the government grounds to later prosecute for false statements when discrepancies are discovered (and not necessarily only after you have already committed a gun crime).

    I can't imagine that the alternative - that you should be required to undergo a complete psychological evaluation at your own expense as Jonathan suggest above - would be well received by the NRA.

    In a better world (not the world that we live in) I could see a sort of grand bargain between the pro- and anti- gun factions in the US - you would be allowed to own any sort of weapon or magazine you like, even full automatics, but only after you had been screened and found to have a spotless record. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Achmed E. Newman, @Muggles

    , @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @Muggles


    @Jack D
    People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns.

    Yes, sounds good.

    So how exactly do we find that out about a crazyperson? Does the CDC issue a button they have to wear? Tattoo?

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition. And one that says something about you not engaging in crime.
     
    Yes, appears to be paranoid schizophrenia, pretty clear in hindsight. But who would even bothering trying to report those prior incidents and risk being branded a racist. Dylon Roof is an evil monster who must be put down, this poor sap is a victim of society. And he is, because absent the wokeakholics, he might have received life changing treatment.
  63. @Achmed E. Newman
    Even his family members knew there was something wrong with him, yet nobody did anything. I'm curious about this "blacking out" business too. Nobody wanted to admit there was something psychological and maybe physically too, wrong with the guy. Of course, ethnicity disappointingly now determined, the Lyin' Press will proceed to make this about the guns only. That's the narrative that this one will be inserted into.

    BTW, it's too bad that the wresting didn't help this guy take out his aggression. It's a great sport, and one that doesn't take anywhere near the amount of money and equipment that the big ones do. I'm just biased, but I wish Wrestling (the real stuff, not the silly Wrastling on TV) and Ultimate Frisbee would become more popular than Football, Basketball, and Communist Kickball.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Nicholas Stix, @Jonathan Mason, @Matt Buckalew

    The “blacking out” business is just part of playing the crazy card, which is apparently a privilege reserved for members of AA groups.

    Didn’t the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn’t they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?

    • Agree: al gore rhythms
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Nicholas Stix

    At the very least they should be sued civilly by the families of the victims. If the Al Issa family thought that their beautiful home and restaurant and SUVs were at risk, they might not have been so blase' about allowing their mentally fragile son to play with guns.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Nicholas Stix


    Didn’t the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn’t they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?
     
    Which family member had a medical degree? The man was 21 years old. He is responsible for his own actions. No, they should not be prosecuted for this case. They should be deported because we do not need Asians in the US.
    , @SMK
    @Nicholas Stix

    He should have been arrested and indicted for aggravated assault, a felony, prosecuted, convicted, and deported. But, then, in a sane country, he wouldn't have been born and living in Boulder, CO or any other city and state.

    Why are there Muslims in the US and Canada, the UK and Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand? How are these nations and cultures enriched and improved in any sense by an influx and presence of millions of Muslims, overwhelmingly young males, a large minority of whom are terrorists and potential terrorists and/or rapists and violent criminals? The white-hating Muslim zealot in Boulder was both a terrorist and violent criminal, initially the latter and then the former.

    In a sane country, there'd be no Muslims -since their impact and presence as a group is not only negative and often baleful and horrific but also totally gratuitous- or, at worst, a small and negligible number who were fastidiously "vetted" and then vigilantly surveilled for emergent radicalism and potential terrorism.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Nicholas Stix

    This is also in reply to Je Suis Omar Marteen, who brought up the same point (and to any movie buffs): There is some crime/suspense movie in which - and I'm spoiling it here because I have to - in which the suspect is a guy that is advertised as semi-retarded or really slow by his lawyer. He uses the phrase "I lost time" and that's when apparently he went nuts, each time. It turns out he is bullshitting, as you find out at the end, when he picks up his rate of speech - no more semi-retardation or whatever it was supposed to be.

    Anyone know what movie I mean? It wasn't a very popular one.

    Anyway, that could well be the case, Nick.

    Replies: @vhrm

  64. “doesn’t a criminal committing insane violence and then stripping off most of his clothes sound like he was on angel dust?”

    It also sounds like a very overweight jihadi who didn’t want police to think he had a bomb round him (rather than being fat), because he knew if they thought that they would shoot him in the head until he was dead.

    I think that’s SOP when dealing with bomb vests. Ask the world’s most famous Brazilian electrician.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes#Shooting_2

  65. “Bring us your poor, your suffering, your starving masses….” and they will live in an $800K house in toney Boulder.
    This guy’s family got in under the pretext of being starving Syrian refugees. The guy’s father is probably a corrupt Syrian official who absconded from Syria with millions. Or is himself a terrorist, a member of the “moderate rebels” we’ve been supplying. Does his father have US government connections? How do humanitarian refugees end up in that expensive house?

  66. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    Nope. It’s easier to just blame the gun and make sure he can’t buy one. Because, of course, nobody can buy a gun. We don’t do hard solutions in this country. We only do easy solutions.

  67. I should pitch this teen drama series to Netflix: a Muslim immigrant high school student is so exhausted by WASP bullies stereotyping him as an angry Arab and a “terrorist” that he heroically beats one up. I’ll call my show Trope.

    That’s pretty much all the template the Fake News Industry will require to write the rest of the story; as Matt Walsh has pointed out, every story is already written.

    Every umber-colored Other who cries racism and bullying is clearly telling the truth and crying out for help; every white person who does the same is a pathetic case of projection, driven so crazy by right-wing media they can no longer tell the difference between objective reality in their own lives, and what Tucker Carlson just said. Aaaaaand….-30-!

    (For instance….watch the Margaret Dumonting that takes place the first time somebody refers to this Ron Jeremy lookalike as a terrorist, which he clearly is. Only the imported, not the domestic, kind.)

    Maintenance crews are even now dragging out the fainting couches at CNN and MSNBC, although the store-bought “white people” employed at such places will take special care not to faint until they have completed snarling their utter disdain for any white person who responds to this event with Unapproved Terms or General Xenophobia (gun control, si! – restrict immigration, Not-si!)

    PS: luckily for us, the great mass of Negro reporters will be too busy crying racist at the Florida cops attempting to prevent their peoples’ victimizing the Spring Break communities to notice any brown person thinning out the free-range whiteman herd. Let antifa handle that one…… -30-!

  68. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @notsaying


    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.
     
    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don't really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don't lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don't have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn't. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @notsaying, @AnotherDad

    Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don’t lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions).

    I would guess that holding radical views would be a much better indicator of a potential terrorist or deadly mass shooter than prior criminal behavior.

    Nowadays to get a U.S. security clearance (at the secret/TS/SCI levels) your social media, finances, et al., will be monitored. Ahmad Al-Issa was talking jihadi crap on social media as was his father, Moustafa. These two were on the FBI radar, the FBI has said so.

    A guy who is known to the FBI and has ties to Syrian Salafi jihadis should not be allowed to buy a gun (or NH₄NO₃, castor beans, thallium, pilot’s license, etc.).

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @Anon

    The little shit who blew up those (need I add, White) kids and their parents in Manchester Arena (Arianna Grande gig) was intimately known to whichever Brit intelligence agency arranges these things.
    His father had been imported from Libya under the "asylum" ruse, as a known Salafi troublemaker over there. His son who had mysteriously been allowed to go back to Libya with Dad and fight Gaddafi, and then return unchallenged, and his son's equally defective brother, also well known to the spooks, then decided that they ought to "hit back" at the infidels they'd gone to school with by shredding masses of kids at a concert. While cheating on his college loan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing#Attacker

    If "refugees", economic migrants and all the other fifth-columnists can't behave, we must exercise our right and duty to evict all of them from the premises as an imminent danger to the public. The whole vicious, idle, conniving lot, whether they've been found out plotting or not. Back to the sands, savages.

    Replies: @Alden

  69. @Muggles
    @Jack D


    People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns.
     
    Yes, sounds good.

    So how exactly do we find that out about a crazyperson? Does the CDC issue a button they have to wear? Tattoo?

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition. And one that says something about you not engaging in crime.

    But despite the paperwork, crazy folks and criminals manage to buy guns. Maybe they are dishonest?

    It's almost as if your mental state of mind, sanity and inclination to commit a crime is just not obvious to the casual observer or by a questionnaire. "People are hard to figure out."

    Woke Narnia is going to get to work on that.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Dr. DoomNGloom

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition.

    Form 4473 asks “Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?”

    Here are the instructions for that question.

    Question 21.f. Adjudicated as a Mental Defective: A determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that a person,as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) isa danger to himself or to others; or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his own affairs. This term shall include: (1) a finding of insanity by a court in a criminal case; and (2) those persons found incompetent to stand trial or found not guilty by reason of lack of mental responsibility.

    Committed to a Mental Institution: A formal commitment of a person to a mental institution by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority.
    It also includes a commitment to a mental institution involuntarily. The term includes commitment for mental defectiveness or mental illness. It also includes commitments other reasons, such as for drug use. The term does not include a person in a mental institution for observation or a voluntary admission to a mental institution.

  70. @Altai
    I believe the woke term for 'regular American' is 'legacy' or 'obsolete American'.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I believe the woke term for ‘regular American’ is ‘legacy’ or ‘obsolete American’.

    The most up-to-date term is “domestic terrorist”.

  71. OT: Subcontinental Indian aggrieved by the Simpsons’ “Apu” lets slip the fact Kamala is actually Not Black. Among other things.

    Matt Groening shouldn’t defend Simpsons’ Apu… such blatant racial stereotyping has fuelled anti-Asian hate

    The Simpsons’ creator, Matt Groening, has talked of his pride in the programme’s Indian character, Apu. But Groening’s one-dimensional treatment of a racial minority has helped foster an environment where prejudice thrives.

    We need to talk about Apu. Again.

    We do?

    The present CEOs of Google and Microsoft are Indians, as is Bhavya Lal, the woman who is currently the acting chief of staff of NASA. Another Indian-American woman, Swati Mohan, quarterbacked the landing of the Mars-rover Perseverance last month. And all it takes is for one of Joe Biden’s tumbles to be nastier than usual, and Kamala Harris, the daughter of an Indian doctor and cancer specialist, will become the first female president.

    Biden is probably getting more nervous as we are having this conversation about Apu.

    Migrants from a developing country, who’ve reached the summit of national life entirely on their own merits in just a generation or two, Indians in the US embody the American dream probably more than any other group. And against this backdrop of stellar achievement and massive contribution, the character of Apu looks like nothing but a snide and resentful backstabbing of a minority that has taken little from, but added greatly to, the success of the land they regard as their new home.

    Can we talk about IT == Indian Takeover?

    Anyway, Apu must be terminated because someone, somewhere feels offended. But what about Homer himself? Must he go too?

    The shooting of six Asian women by a white man in an Atlanta massacre that left eight dead has sparked a debate on anti-Asian racism in America, an ugly segment in the patchwork quilt of racial grievances that comprises much of the nation’s culture. Indeed, the success that is the fruit of much struggle and sacrifice is not celebrated by many, but in a very un-American way resented as proof of ‘Asian privilege’.

    I hate to say so, but … these are not the same Asians …

  72. Is this an instance of stereotype threat? He was so taken aback by the stereotype that he was a terrorist that he ended up becoming a terrorist?

  73. @Nicholas Stix
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The "blacking out" business is just part of playing the crazy card, which is apparently a privilege reserved for members of AA groups.

    Didn't the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn't they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Chris Mallory, @SMK, @Achmed E. Newman

    At the very least they should be sued civilly by the families of the victims. If the Al Issa family thought that their beautiful home and restaurant and SUVs were at risk, they might not have been so blase’ about allowing their mentally fragile son to play with guns.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jack D

    Same should apply to all those Elites pushing and supporting
    the now ten year assault on Syria. Their homes easily over
    800k. Expensive cars, jewelry, 2nd homes and weapons.

    Syrians take every last penny and gold from teeth.

  74. @Nicholas Stix
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The "blacking out" business is just part of playing the crazy card, which is apparently a privilege reserved for members of AA groups.

    Didn't the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn't they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Chris Mallory, @SMK, @Achmed E. Newman

    Didn’t the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn’t they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?

    Which family member had a medical degree? The man was 21 years old. He is responsible for his own actions. No, they should not be prosecuted for this case. They should be deported because we do not need Asians in the US.

  75. One of the long lasting impacts of these lockdowns will be significant increase in use of cash transactions, especially by ethnically owned businesses. My own barber only excepts cash now. You determine how much sales tax, payroll tax, and business tax you pay, can you automatically save 3% interchange fees. This was the sign outside the restaurant owned by a Boulder killers family, LOL.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9396041/Cops-visit-800-000-family-home-Syrian-born-Boulder-gunman.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

    The slow and steady decline of America continues.

  76. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster.

    The problem is that the government cannot be trusted to enact such a policy in good faith.

    In point of fact it is already illegal for a person who has been adjudicated mentally ill or been involuntarily committed to a mental institution to possess a firearm. There’s really no dispute about someone who is a raving paranoid schizophrenic and has been committed.

    However, the concept of “mental illness” involves a broad spectrum of often politically-motivated “diagnoses” such as “Oppositional Defiance Disorder.” Not long ago, homosexuality was considered a mental illness; today, opposition to homosexuality might considered a “red flag.”

    Contemporary “red flag” laws allow the armed seizure of one’s firearms by the SWAT team without due process and without facing one’s accuser on flimsy hearsay such as “I’m afraid of him” or “I think he’s crazy.” Next on the Biden/Harris list is almost certainly going to be “I think he’s a white supremacist, domestic terrorist Trump supporter” or “he’s a member of the Proud Boys.”

    If a government run by Social Justice Warriors is given the ability to deny gun rights to anyone they think is mentally ill, they are going to define everyone who wants a gun as mentally ill — even hunters.

    I can hear it now — “you must be mentally ill if you want to slaughter innocent Bambi,” etc….

  77. Anonymous[127] • Disclaimer says:

    As of press time, nothing had been yet heard from leaders of the Regular-American community.

    Is there a ‘White Rights Activist’ anywhere on the planet?

  78. @Redneck farmer
    "Still no motive determined in Colorado shooting".
    Going by history Steve, in Season Two of your show, or the sequel movie, we find the killer was befriended by an FBI agent, who was using him to track extremists.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @DCThrowback, @Almost Missouri

    ::slow clap:: you nailed it. the voices in his head, the FBI being aware…we need to know who his therapist was, who was proscribing his meds and whether or not he had a CIA handler.

    All of this very coincidentally while another assault weapons ban is making its way through Congress.

    These freaks know they have less than two years before another Congressional Revolution occurs, so it is to the mutual advantage of the deep state and the (D) party to cram as much down our throats as possible.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
  79. @Muggles
    @Jack D


    People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns.
     
    Yes, sounds good.

    So how exactly do we find that out about a crazyperson? Does the CDC issue a button they have to wear? Tattoo?

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition. And one that says something about you not engaging in crime.

    But despite the paperwork, crazy folks and criminals manage to buy guns. Maybe they are dishonest?

    It's almost as if your mental state of mind, sanity and inclination to commit a crime is just not obvious to the casual observer or by a questionnaire. "People are hard to figure out."

    Woke Narnia is going to get to work on that.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Dr. DoomNGloom

    It’s not wrong to ask these questions on the firearms application – at the very least it gives the government grounds to later prosecute for false statements when discrepancies are discovered (and not necessarily only after you have already committed a gun crime).

    I can’t imagine that the alternative – that you should be required to undergo a complete psychological evaluation at your own expense as Jonathan suggest above – would be well received by the NRA.

    In a better world (not the world that we live in) I could see a sort of grand bargain between the pro- and anti- gun factions in the US – you would be allowed to own any sort of weapon or magazine you like, even full automatics, but only after you had been screened and found to have a spotless record. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Jack D

    @21 Jack D: And, of course, your people would be doing the screening and they would decide who was sane. What could possibly go wrong? We already have such a thing, now law in a number of states, and it's been used to confiscate guns from a number of Whites. Because their ex-wives or girlfriends or diverse neighbors or cat lady relatives claimed they were 'scary.'

    You really are an alien pustule on what used to be America.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Firstly, are you an NRA member, Jack?

    Now, to the point, a smart guy like you ought to be able to see how the idea you support is going to go. OK, just a form, no problem. Americans will need to self-certify that they have no psychological problems when buying guns or ammo.

    Then, all psychologists and psychiatrists will be required to submit "paperwork" on line on all patients to be collected by the BATFE to be sent to gun stores who will be required to check that database before any sales. There will be new government bureau attached to the BATFE for that. We're gonna need that to do this right, agreed, Jack? However, many people may be referred to psychiatrists by other doctors who don't ever go visit. So, this will absolutely have to be expanded to all physicians too.

    Next, vindictive doctors on a left-wing bent, and there are some, will be free to report whomever they want. At some point, the definition of "needing psychiatric help" will be expanded per a few E.O.s from the executive branch. That'll do for a while, but the next step will be to allow individual names or names of members of "un-psychologically-sound" groups to be entered into the database directly by the FBI, State law enforcement, and any other member of law enforcement, down to the TSA and mall cops. It's too much trouble to keep categorizing people and issuing E.O.s, you know, plus the President is busy with killing people overseas too, so ...

    I don't see how one can support this stuff unless one has no knowledge of what ever went on in Totalitarian countries over the last century or two. Let me put it this way: What CAN be used against you WILL be used against you! Maybe you've heard that already in person, hopefully not Jack.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @theMann

    , @Muggles
    @Jack D


    Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years
     
    Both the original Mafia and most law enforcement outfits have the same sort of rule. If anyone in your family was on the opposite side of the fence at some point, they won't let you join.

    So this may be useful for some screening. However it is "unfair" to punish the sons/daughters for the sins of their fathers/mothers.

    For all gun purchasers, obviously not going to fly. Daddy might be nuts but you probably aren't. In this Colorado instance, what we see is the common manifestation of 'schizoid" behavior emerging in males in their late teens, early adulthood. His friends/family noticed. But until he acted out, nothing could be done.

    The real problem is both "evil" and "mental issues" can't really be detected in advance for most circumstances. Yes, we'd be safer if that could be done. But we don't live in Magic Land.

    More generic gun laws (constitutional carry) might reduce mass shootings due to victim interference. But like stopping crazies, it is a pretty random solution. There are (very unpopular) laws which can apply if someone reports a person who is "acting out", crazy etc. but has firearms. They can in some circumstance have firearms temporarily taken away; subsequently adjudicated. Still not very effective.

    Crazies can/do also use knives, arson, improvised explosives to carry out their misdeeds.

    Society foolishly let all but the most obviously deranged people loose and no longer bother to try to keep them away from the public. So efforts in that direction seem unlikely.

    Unless you hold to the idea that punishing millions of innocent citizens to prevent the unpredictable acts of a tiny number of crazies (which only shuts down one avenue of violence) this entire subject is a dead end.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  80. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    “… so there’s money for doctors. ..”

    The problem is that in many cases there is nothing much doctors can do for mentally ill people. Including making an reliable assessment of how dangerous they are.

    • Replies: @anon
    @James B. Shearer

    The problem is that in many cases there is nothing much doctors can do for mentally ill people. Including making an reliable assessment of how dangerous they are.

    The Army has shrinks. Some of them went to the sandbox, mostly to the Green zone. A major job for shrinks in the Green zone of the sandbox: try to figure out if a guy was gonna kill himself or not. Well,s oldiers in such a place can be kept track of pretty easily. Their electronic communications can easily be monitored, and any physical mail inspected. They can even be kept off to themselves for a while in a nice, comfy room with a lock on the door.

    Yet it turns out that while it's pretty easy for a soldier to top himself, it's also really difficult to determine that in advance. If psych types cannot predict this in a regimented environment, how are they supposed to do something similar with civvies here in the land of the free?

    , @notsaying
    @James B. Shearer

    Not everybody can be cured but I think it is worthwhile for everyone with mental health problems to be diagnosed and treated.

    Doing nothing for people with serious mental illness in America because we aren't sure how much treatment will help is condemning people to an awful life.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  81. The New York Times reported on Tuesday that he was known to the FBI because he was linked to another person who has been under investigation for something else. They didn’t give any more details.

    I wonder if anyone is going to have the bad taste to ask if the FBI dropped the ball on this because they were too busy hunting down cosplayers who took selfies in Nancy Pelosi’s office.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Thomas

    That's kept them busy, all right. Our local free paper is still running stories about the latest area residents to be hauled in for sauntering through Nancy's House.

  82. @Nicholas Stix
    @Jonathan Mason

    Actually, the vast majority of firearm mass and serial murderers in the US are black.

    Replies: @Jack D

    He didn’t say otherwise. He said that they are nearly always Americans and are products of the US public education system – this includes black people.

    As Steve points out in another thread, black and white mass shooters have very distinct profiles and behaviors and really should not be lumped together. Shooting up the funeral of a rival gang member and fleeing is an almost exclusively black thang and is not the same thing as methodically shooting a bunch of random strangers and then surrendering or killing yourself, which is a white/Muslim thing. Shooting up your workplace or school is done by all races. “Mass shooting” is really too broad a category and we should have three distinct names for the different types of attacks now that they are so common, but we don’t really have the vocabulary for these things.

    • Replies: @War for Blair Mountain
    @Jack D

    You are not dealing with the fundamental issue:MUSLIM LEGAL IMMIGRATION...in fact, none of the commenters here are dealing with this fundamental issue...

  83. @Jack D
    @Muggles

    It's not wrong to ask these questions on the firearms application - at the very least it gives the government grounds to later prosecute for false statements when discrepancies are discovered (and not necessarily only after you have already committed a gun crime).

    I can't imagine that the alternative - that you should be required to undergo a complete psychological evaluation at your own expense as Jonathan suggest above - would be well received by the NRA.

    In a better world (not the world that we live in) I could see a sort of grand bargain between the pro- and anti- gun factions in the US - you would be allowed to own any sort of weapon or magazine you like, even full automatics, but only after you had been screened and found to have a spotless record. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Achmed E. Newman, @Muggles

    @21 Jack D: And, of course, your people would be doing the screening and they would decide who was sane. What could possibly go wrong? We already have such a thing, now law in a number of states, and it’s been used to confiscate guns from a number of Whites. Because their ex-wives or girlfriends or diverse neighbors or cat lady relatives claimed they were ‘scary.’

    You really are an alien pustule on what used to be America.

  84. 1) This guy doesn’t sound like your standard Islamic extremist. Islam appears to be little more than a part of his identity he can use to feel aggrieved and a reason to hate the majority, white culture.

    This guy wasn’t radicalized by Islam. He was radicalized by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media. He was made to feel he had a legitimate reason to hate white Americans – and even a reason to murder them. The tolerance and excuses made for violence during the riots last year by everyone on the Left were more a contributing factor to this man’s behavior than anything ISIS ever said or did.

    2) That is probably part of why he chose a store in Boulder, despite living several miles away in Arvada. Boulder is the Whitopia of the Denver metro area. It is exactly where you would expect to go to find a store almost entirely full of white victims – and that is what he found.

    It will be interesting to see on the security video if he simply didn’t come across any non-whites in the store, or if he did but chose to let them go (even though al-Issa is technically white). I would wager there is a solid chance he came across a few non-whites and chose to let them go. Boulder may be super white, but even there you are going to find a non-white customer or employee. That would probably be enough evidence to add a hate crimes charge.

    3) If all the allegations by his family and former classmates are correct, there should have been more than enough evidence to deny this guy the right to buy a gun. Someone – his family, his school, or law enforcement – didn’t do what they were morally and/or legally obliged to do.

    4) Some news sites have pointed out that a court in Colorado just overturned a gun control law ten days before this happened. That law was only in Boulder. It wouldn’t have done a damn thing to keep al-Issa from purchasing a gun anywhere else in the state.

    5) However, what they should be focusing on is the fact that the Democratic legislature and Governor Jared Schutz just passed a law eliminating the death penalty last year. Al-Issa appears to have had the presence of mind to do what he needed to do to keep from being killed by the cops – stripping down to his shorts to show he was unarmed and didn’t have a suicide vest. He wanted to stay alive, and by eliminating the death penalty, Schutz and the Democrats have allowed him to.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @prime noticer
    @Wilkey

    "That is probably part of why he chose a store in Boulder, despite living several miles away in Arvada. Boulder is the Whitopia of the Denver metro area. It is exactly where you would expect to go to find a store almost entirely full of white victims – and that is what he found."

    when i made that comment, Steve blocked my post.

    i'm on the ground in Colorado for the last 3 years, i probably know more than anybody here on the current events in the state. not more than Michelle Malkin, but more than even Ramzpaul, who is from here and went to Colorado State, but hasn't lived here in years. i was literally trapped in a communist protest in Fort Collins by accident last summer when they blocked the road.

    this guy deliberately chose to attack his biggest supporters AKA disarmed liberals who are totally supportive of him being a US citizen. if he had picked a different town, there's a high chance he would have been shot and killed after the first couple rounds he fired. lots of towns in Colorado are exactly like Texas. filled blue collar truck driving Trump voters who are carrying.

    his purported plan to attack a Trump rally sounds like total bullshit. he didn't do it because he knew he'd be killed in less than a minute. Boulder police allowed him to walk around and shoot people for an hour.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @Lurker
    @Wilkey


    Islam appears to be little more than a part of his identity he can use to feel aggrieved and a reason to hate the majority, white culture.
     
    That sounds like a lot of Muslims resident in the western world.
  85. @Jack D
    @Nicholas Stix

    He didn't say otherwise. He said that they are nearly always Americans and are products of the US public education system - this includes black people.

    As Steve points out in another thread, black and white mass shooters have very distinct profiles and behaviors and really should not be lumped together. Shooting up the funeral of a rival gang member and fleeing is an almost exclusively black thang and is not the same thing as methodically shooting a bunch of random strangers and then surrendering or killing yourself, which is a white/Muslim thing. Shooting up your workplace or school is done by all races. "Mass shooting" is really too broad a category and we should have three distinct names for the different types of attacks now that they are so common, but we don't really have the vocabulary for these things.

    Replies: @War for Blair Mountain

    You are not dealing with the fundamental issue:MUSLIM LEGAL IMMIGRATION…in fact, none of the commenters here are dealing with this fundamental issue…

  86. @Thomas

    The New York Times reported on Tuesday that he was known to the FBI because he was linked to another person who has been under investigation for something else. They didn’t give any more details.
     
    I wonder if anyone is going to have the bad taste to ask if the FBI dropped the ball on this because they were too busy hunting down cosplayers who took selfies in Nancy Pelosi's office.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    That’s kept them busy, all right. Our local free paper is still running stories about the latest area residents to be hauled in for sauntering through Nancy’s House.

  87. At a 2017 rally in Tompkins Square Park I saw a 110-pound woman holding a sign that read:

    “Hug an immigrant–with permission
    Punch a Nazi–with precision”

  88. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    “Mental illness” as a criterion to bar someone completely from exercise of a Constitutional right is terrifying and dangerous. First of all, how is “mental illness” defined and by whom? Did someone have to see a therapist for awhile after suffering a loss? Have they ever taken psychiatric medications for any condition? (A huge percentage of the country has at some point.) It’s already blindingly obvious that the modern American left, true to form for any incipient totalitarian movement, regards its opposition as presumptively mentally ill and would bar them from participating in public life altogether. Democrats in New York have already proposed a law to screen gun license applicants’ social media for badthink.

    The criterion should be what it already is: whether someone has been adjudicated by a court, on the basis of clear and convincing evidence and with notice and opportunity for a hearing, that they pose a danger to themselves or others. And that criterion, danger, is what people should be watching for. I’ve said this since Sandy Hook. The general public isn’t qualified to diagnose strangers with mental illness. They’d call anyone who seems to them a little weird “mentally ill.” People understand danger though, and threatening behavior.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Thomas

    "Have they ever taken psychiatric medications for any condition?"

    How many cops in America are taking or have recently taken prescription psychoactive medicines, e.g. Xanax? How many cops drink excessively?

    How many cops have guns?

    , @vhrm
    @Thomas

    I'll go a step further: what's SO special about guns? Yes, they're a generally efficient personal weapon but, as we saw in Europe repeatedly a few years ago, you can also do pretty serious damage by driving a car or van onto a crowded sidewalk. Stabbing has also been used. As have Pressure Cooker bombs (since Tsarnaev has been in the news lately regarding his possibly reimposed death penalty).

    If somebody is adjudicated that they pose a significant threat to society shouldn't they be institutionalized for treatment of some sort?

    The focus on guns specifically seems more political than really practical.

    And +1 to your first point about the slippery slope of using "mental illness" to stigmatize, disenfranchise and imprison political enemies.

    Psychiatry and psychology nowadays is still quite rudimentary and the determination of normal vs pathological behavior is highly subjective except in relatively extreme cases. And clinicians differ all the time on what diagnoses are for a given person let alone what treatment to use, how durable any "cure" or period of remission will be, etc.

  89. @Nicholas Stix
    @Jack D

    "If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn’t."

    You're dating yourself, Jack. We don't do easy solutions in this country anymore, Jack. Otherwise, we would have stopped immigration from Moslem countries on September 12, 2001.

    Replies: @Ragno, @Wilkey

    Wasn’t that amazing? When 9/11 happened, the initial question I asked (and asked, and asked, and am still asking) was where in God’s name were the F-16s? Any hijacked planes redirected towards population centers are supposed to be shot down if they do not comply with orders to land. Shooting down commercial aircraft would be a tragedy, and a weapon in the hands of our fifth-column fourth-estate, but allowing FOUR hijacked aircraft to do what they did, unmolested by our air defenses, was more than a tragedy – it was an as-yet-unremarked-upon scandal.

    The reason, however, I did not immediately ask why have we not ceased all immigration from hostile third-world states was because…..and this is dating myself, I understand….I assumed, following an atrocity like 9/11, that any government comprised of grown-ups aware of which side they were on would have done so without being prompted by media or citizenry. If there was a radicalizing moment, or series of them, that awakened me to the ongoing “existential threat” presented by our embedded traitor class, it wasn’t solely 9/11 but its hideous aftermath – the Deep State feigning hearing loss on immigration, the dancing rooftop Israelis, that sick joke of the “commission hearings”, and above all, the wide dissemination of that vile and treasonous Project For A New American Century doctrine of perpetual war, Rebuilding America’s Defenses.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Ragno


    When 9/11 happened, the initial question I asked (and asked, and asked, and am still asking) was where in God’s name were the F-16s?
     
    It wasn't until the first three planes had crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon that fighters were ordered to go get flight 93. Two of them from Virginia beach did. They were both unarmed, and were prepared to ram flight 93 if necessary. Google "flight 93 intercept" and read for yourself.

    Replies: @Ragno

  90. @Achmed E. Newman
    Even his family members knew there was something wrong with him, yet nobody did anything. I'm curious about this "blacking out" business too. Nobody wanted to admit there was something psychological and maybe physically too, wrong with the guy. Of course, ethnicity disappointingly now determined, the Lyin' Press will proceed to make this about the guns only. That's the narrative that this one will be inserted into.

    BTW, it's too bad that the wresting didn't help this guy take out his aggression. It's a great sport, and one that doesn't take anywhere near the amount of money and equipment that the big ones do. I'm just biased, but I wish Wrestling (the real stuff, not the silly Wrastling on TV) and Ultimate Frisbee would become more popular than Football, Basketball, and Communist Kickball.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Nicholas Stix, @Jonathan Mason, @Matt Buckalew

    But how much organized wrestling is there for post-high school wrestlers who are not in college?

    Is it even a thing?

    Maybe Mexicans are less likely to become mass killers, because even in small towns in agricultural Florida there are fairly informal local Sunday soccer leagues in public parks where players can kick lumps out of each other.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    I don't call for banning of soccer games, Jonathan. There are fields near us where Mexicans play too, lots of them, on any good weekend day. I just personally think the game is stupid, seeing as Mother Nature gave me two arms and two hands to throw and catch with. To each his own.

    I don't know if any other wrestling outside of HS and college is a thing. I've not heard of it. It's a great sport though.

  91. @Nicholas Stix
    @Jack D

    "If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn’t."

    You're dating yourself, Jack. We don't do easy solutions in this country anymore, Jack. Otherwise, we would have stopped immigration from Moslem countries on September 12, 2001.

    Replies: @Ragno, @Wilkey

    1) The Boulder murderer.*

    2) The NAS Pensacola terrorist.

    3) The San Bernardino terrorist.

    4) The Boston Marathon terrorists.

    Four major acts of violence all of which could have been stopped had we simply chosen to stop Muslim immigration after 9/11. Instead we decided to fight Islamic extremism by letting millions more of them into our country (and other Western countries), spending trillions of dollars on two pointless wars (one of which we are still fighting), losing thousands of American servicemen, permanently crippling tens of thousands of other American servicemen, and turning America into a massive surveillance state restricting our rights and our freedoms.

    * Note that I’m not sure I would consider al-Issa a terrorist. See my other comment. He was radicalized by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media, not ISIS.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Wilkey

    Muslims in The U.S have done a lot of damage for a demographic group who are only 0.9% of The U.S population. Imagine if Muslims were 9% of The U.S population, we would have the American version Parisston and Londonstan!

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Wilkey

    There's another aspect to it too, Wilkey. One pillar of the Invade-the-World/Invite-the-World project (™-Sailer) is that the killing and maiming of people in certain foreign lands can be used as a great excuse to import some of them, including families of those killed and maimed, into the US as "refugees". It's not likely that any of them will hold a grudge or anything, because 'Merica! It's a melting pot ... start with water, add a little sodium and potassium for flavor ... there ya go!

    And a big [AGREE] to Nick Stix for the comment you are replying to. (I ran out for a while.)

  92. In Facebook posts over the last two years, he complained about not having a girlfriend, ranted about President Trump and talked about his Islamic faith.

    Noticeable.

  93. @notsaying
    Off Topic:

    Here's a pleasant surprise. The UK proposes a serious, detailed approach to curtail illegal immigration. It seems like they tried to think of everything to stop the baloney and made appropriate changes. We will have to see if they stick to their guns and if it survives court challenges. They have a real advantage by not giving citizenship to all children born there. They can deport families who have been living there for a number of years with no worries about citizen children:

    "Illegal migrants will be denied the right to settle in the UK even if they are granted asylum under plans by Priti Patel to crush people-smuggling.

    The Home Secretary is proposing that those who get asylum will only be granted "temporary protection status", which means they will be regularly reassessed for removal from the UK, have limited family reunion rights and no access to benefits unless destitute.

    Only those who come to the UK through legitimate routes – via official Government refugee schemes from war zones or to escape persecution – will be entitled to indefinite leave to remain."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-denied-settle-uk-191434721.html

    Replies: @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Alden

    Interesting.

    I’ve been hearing mixed messages about the reliability of UK Conservatives on immigration. Deportations were apparently way down last year (by over 80%) and, far more importantly, they threw the flood gates wide open to millions of Hong Kongers.

    This news sounds a little better, but so far the overall news isn’t good. The British people are being betrayed yet again.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  94. anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:

    Rule regarding (media’s treatment of) mass shooters in America:

    Non-white mass shooters — mentally ill. Not haters.

    White mass shooters — haters. Not mentally ill.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @anonymous

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9114cf57fc7a4f37a43eaaf9d17675ce66df9c5977fbdc031fef731c5a7826a.jpg

  95. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver's license? Wouldn't there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @By-tor, @Crawfurdmuir, @Reg Cæsar, @Paul Mendez, @Alden

    Why should convicted felons of one state be barred from buying guns in another state?

    The felony for which they were convicted may have had absolutely nothing to do with violence or guns. It could have been for tax evasion or pedophilia.

    They could be former lawyers who swindled their clients, served time in prison, and now need a gun to protect themselves.

    The real reason for banning convicted felons from buying guns are clearly 1) that judges are thinking about protecting themselves from vengeance, and 2) that it provides a nice easy way of sending gang members back to prison for violating probation.

  96. This poor Colorado immigrant man was the victim of Trump Derangement Syndrome, a kind of mania that was explicitly encouraged by big tech and big media. It compounded with his Muslim heritage, which told him that the best response to his feelings of anger … was to just go along with them and shoot and stab until he felt better.

    The pure faith is observed in Dearborn, Mi, home to one of the largest populations of Muslims outside the Middle East. No shooting – just stabbing.

  97. You sound like you are doubting, Thomas.

    There are different categories of psychiatric medications and different categories of diagnosis in the DSM diagnostic system.

    All you would have to do would be to say is that people who have been on certain types of antipsychotic medication or who have been given certain diagnoses should be subject to additional mental health screening, social media checks, and maybe a mandatory waiting period before they can buy a firearm or ammunition.

    In the discussion about whether the Duke and duchess of Sussex were married three days before the public ceremony, one issue raised was the publishing of the “banns of marriage” which have to be publicly announced three times, so that if anybody has an objection to the marriage, for example on grounds of bigamy, they can come forward and declare it.

    It might be a good idea to have public announcements that people with histories of mental illness are applying for permission to buy a gun, and giving any member of the public who knows them personally an opportunity to state an objection.

    The United States already has local mental health courts where people who are under mandatory mental health treatment orders are able to file writs of habeas corpus and request that they be released, while others may object to the court that they should not be released.

    The role of these courts could easily be expanded to determine whether people who have objections against them owning guns should be allowed to do so.

  98. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    notsaying, I have no idea why your comment was flagged as humorous. There is, as you state, a lot more that we could be doing for the mentally ill in this country. It usually takes a violent interaction with the police before family, friends and neighbors come forward and discuss the perp’s mental issues. I do not know the answer, but as Jack D says we don’t know what horse to keep in the barn.

  99. @Jack D
    @Muggles

    It's not wrong to ask these questions on the firearms application - at the very least it gives the government grounds to later prosecute for false statements when discrepancies are discovered (and not necessarily only after you have already committed a gun crime).

    I can't imagine that the alternative - that you should be required to undergo a complete psychological evaluation at your own expense as Jonathan suggest above - would be well received by the NRA.

    In a better world (not the world that we live in) I could see a sort of grand bargain between the pro- and anti- gun factions in the US - you would be allowed to own any sort of weapon or magazine you like, even full automatics, but only after you had been screened and found to have a spotless record. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Achmed E. Newman, @Muggles

    Firstly, are you an NRA member, Jack?

    Now, to the point, a smart guy like you ought to be able to see how the idea you support is going to go. OK, just a form, no problem. Americans will need to self-certify that they have no psychological problems when buying guns or ammo.

    Then, all psychologists and psychiatrists will be required to submit “paperwork” on line on all patients to be collected by the BATFE to be sent to gun stores who will be required to check that database before any sales. There will be new government bureau attached to the BATFE for that. We’re gonna need that to do this right, agreed, Jack? However, many people may be referred to psychiatrists by other doctors who don’t ever go visit. So, this will absolutely have to be expanded to all physicians too.

    Next, vindictive doctors on a left-wing bent, and there are some, will be free to report whomever they want. At some point, the definition of “needing psychiatric help” will be expanded per a few E.O.s from the executive branch. That’ll do for a while, but the next step will be to allow individual names or names of members of “un-psychologically-sound” groups to be entered into the database directly by the FBI, State law enforcement, and any other member of law enforcement, down to the TSA and mall cops. It’s too much trouble to keep categorizing people and issuing E.O.s, you know, plus the President is busy with killing people overseas too, so …

    I don’t see how one can support this stuff unless one has no knowledge of what ever went on in Totalitarian countries over the last century or two. Let me put it this way: What CAN be used against you WILL be used against you! Maybe you’ve heard that already in person, hopefully not Jack.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Are you by any chance a gun shop owner?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @theMann
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It is all a pointless regulatory circle jerk anyway- a hefty percentage of mass shooters use stolen weapons, frequently from relatives. Others simply use weapons obtained illegally, probably about as easy to do as getting drugs. I dont personally know how difficult it is to get either, but I am guessing not hard at all.

    The other half of the circle jerk is Politicians pretending to do something, while they hide behind gated communities with armed guards.

    One could try the horribly illegal Russian method - ruthlessly, and brutally, destroy the families of Muslim Shooters, high cost, but it does work.

    Unfortunately, a hefty majority of Americans can't accept a simple truth - there is no good solution to Crazy/Evil, only a variety of bad ones. Politicians, of course, always propose confiscation and maximum paperwork.

  100. Democrats have run Colorado for a while now, thanks to a million assholes from California moving there.

    communists protested all last summer in Denver, in Fort Collins, in Boulder, to defund the police. they shot at cars trying to drive on highways they were blocking. they shot and killed some guy at a protest. they assaulted Michelle Malkin at a pro police rally.

    Colorado democrats have gotten pretty much every concession they’ve wanted on gun control.

    DC democrats have demanded that muslims be able to flood into the US in unlimited numbers. they’ve gotten pretty much every concession they’ve wanted on immigration.

    nobody should ever talk with or engage Democrats again. they’re dangerous, out of control morons. they’re the problem. Republicans are stupid and useless and have lost the country for us, but they aren’t the outright enemy.

    having said that, any Republican who budges an inch on gun control or immigration at this point, pushes the US closer to conflict.

  101. @anonymous
    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Michelle, @Tiny Duck, @Captain Tripps, @JimDandy, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    Gavin McInnes likes to cite the shocking levels of inbreeding among Muslims. Some huge percentage of British Muslim parents are first cousins, etc. Inbreeding and craziness would seem to go hand in hand.

  102. @anonymous
    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Michelle, @Tiny Duck, @Captain Tripps, @JimDandy, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    I don’t know if Syrians are as inbred as others in the Islamic world, but if they are there is a good chance that congenital conditions including mental health illnesses could be particularly prevalent.

  103. @william munny
    The bullying angle to this story is bullshit. He was a hs wrestler who kicked people's asses randomly. It is obvious he learned he could get away with it by saying they called him a terrorist or whatever. He could be writing op-eds for the NY Times.

    Replies: @JimB, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

  104. @Jack D
    @notsaying


    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.
     
    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don't really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don't lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don't have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn't. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @notsaying, @AnotherDad

    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings.

    I suppose the issue here might be that people who staff the FBI etc. may actually believe the neoliberal Bugman shibboleths. In which case, investigating a crazy Muslim with anger issues maybe didn’t get the attention it should have gotten because that’s racist or something, while attention has been drawn to the left’s object of hate – your white nationalist terrorist (really, the Democrats’ domestic political enemies who are all identified as white nationalists).

  105. There is no evidence that anyone ever called him a terrorist. Classmates said he seemed anxious to get someone to say something so he could cry “hate crime.”

  106. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But how much organized wrestling is there for post-high school wrestlers who are not in college?

    Is it even a thing?

    Maybe Mexicans are less likely to become mass killers, because even in small towns in agricultural Florida there are fairly informal local Sunday soccer leagues in public parks where players can kick lumps out of each other.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t call for banning of soccer games, Jonathan. There are fields near us where Mexicans play too, lots of them, on any good weekend day. I just personally think the game is stupid, seeing as Mother Nature gave me two arms and two hands to throw and catch with. To each his own.

    I don’t know if any other wrestling outside of HS and college is a thing. I’ve not heard of it. It’s a great sport though.

  107. ‘Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?’

    If they did, the such attacks would be more frequent in Arab countries than they are here.

    As far as I know, they’re not.

    • Replies: @Peter Frost
    @Colin Wright

    "Psychopathy" is defined as having abnormal indifference to the suffering of others. Unfortunately, the term "abnormal" is relative. In many societies, people normally care only about the suffering of close kin and close friends (and of course their own personal suffering).


    The Milgram experiment has been replicated outside the United States. These replications, however, are almost wholly confined to subjects in European or European-descended countries. To date, only Shanab and Yahya (1978) have replicated the Milgram experiment with non-European subjects, these being 48 students at the University of Jordan in Amman. The Jordanian subjects resembled Milgram’s in being just as willing to inflict pain under orders (proportion = 62.5%). But they differed in being more willing to inflict pain on their own initiative. When allowed to choose the shock levels, 12.5% of the Jordanians delivered shocks right up to the top end of the scale.

    One in eight Jordanians is a sadist? And these were university students, presumably the cream of Jordanian society. How would the experiment have turned out if done with Bedouins, for instance, or some other group where the State has only recently monopolized the use of violence?
     

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/08/milgram-experiment-cross-cultural.html

    As Colin Wright points out, this indifference does not lead to high levels of interpersonal violence in most Arab societies. How come? Well, there's normally a "balance of terror" in those societies. An act of violence will invite retaliation from the victim's kinsmen. So a man will think long and hard before acting on his impulses. In the West, however, we have an "imbalance of terror." Violence doesn't lead to retaliation. There is no eye for an eye.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  108. @Wilkey
    1) This guy doesn't sound like your standard Islamic extremist. Islam appears to be little more than a part of his identity he can use to feel aggrieved and a reason to hate the majority, white culture.

    This guy wasn't radicalized by Islam. He was radicalized by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media. He was made to feel he had a legitimate reason to hate white Americans - and even a reason to murder them. The tolerance and excuses made for violence during the riots last year by everyone on the Left were more a contributing factor to this man's behavior than anything ISIS ever said or did.

    2) That is probably part of why he chose a store in Boulder, despite living several miles away in Arvada. Boulder is the Whitopia of the Denver metro area. It is exactly where you would expect to go to find a store almost entirely full of white victims - and that is what he found.

    It will be interesting to see on the security video if he simply didn't come across any non-whites in the store, or if he did but chose to let them go (even though al-Issa is technically white). I would wager there is a solid chance he came across a few non-whites and chose to let them go. Boulder may be super white, but even there you are going to find a non-white customer or employee. That would probably be enough evidence to add a hate crimes charge.

    3) If all the allegations by his family and former classmates are correct, there should have been more than enough evidence to deny this guy the right to buy a gun. Someone - his family, his school, or law enforcement - didn't do what they were morally and/or legally obliged to do.

    4) Some news sites have pointed out that a court in Colorado just overturned a gun control law ten days before this happened. That law was only in Boulder. It wouldn't have done a damn thing to keep al-Issa from purchasing a gun anywhere else in the state.

    5) However, what they should be focusing on is the fact that the Democratic legislature and Governor Jared Schutz just passed a law eliminating the death penalty last year. Al-Issa appears to have had the presence of mind to do what he needed to do to keep from being killed by the cops - stripping down to his shorts to show he was unarmed and didn't have a suicide vest. He wanted to stay alive, and by eliminating the death penalty, Schutz and the Democrats have allowed him to.

    Replies: @prime noticer, @Lurker

    “That is probably part of why he chose a store in Boulder, despite living several miles away in Arvada. Boulder is the Whitopia of the Denver metro area. It is exactly where you would expect to go to find a store almost entirely full of white victims – and that is what he found.”

    when i made that comment, Steve blocked my post.

    i’m on the ground in Colorado for the last 3 years, i probably know more than anybody here on the current events in the state. not more than Michelle Malkin, but more than even Ramzpaul, who is from here and went to Colorado State, but hasn’t lived here in years. i was literally trapped in a communist protest in Fort Collins by accident last summer when they blocked the road.

    this guy deliberately chose to attack his biggest supporters AKA disarmed liberals who are totally supportive of him being a US citizen. if he had picked a different town, there’s a high chance he would have been shot and killed after the first couple rounds he fired. lots of towns in Colorado are exactly like Texas. filled blue collar truck driving Trump voters who are carrying.

    his purported plan to attack a Trump rally sounds like total bullshit. he didn’t do it because he knew he’d be killed in less than a minute. Boulder police allowed him to walk around and shoot people for an hour.

    • Thanks: Polemos
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @prime noticer

    “Boulder police allowed him to walk around and shoot people for an hour.”

    Really? This reminds me of the mass murder at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, where cravenly cowardly cops cowered outside, while the killer continued slaughtering people.

    If talk of “defund the police” involved returning money to the taxpayer, and respecting his Second Amendment rights, I’d support it. However, the DTP movement is a movement of black Nazis who want to steal White taxpayers’ money, and use it to build slush funds for their own murderous gangs.

  109. @anonymous
    Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?

    Overall, blacks probably have the highest rates but I don’t have the impression that smart blacks are psychopathic at significantly higher rates than whites. But I do have the impression smart Arabs are a lot more psychopathic than average of other races.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Michelle, @Tiny Duck, @Captain Tripps, @JimDandy, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Art Deco

    Don’t think violent crime is much of a problem in most Arab countries. Homicide rates around 1-2 per 100,000 are typical.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Art Deco

    Arab countries dominate the list of nations where terrorism is an epidemic. Arabs also dominate gang rapes in Europe. There's a White female Fox News reporter who was gang raped by Egyptians!

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Art Deco

    Justice is swift and sure in those countries and diversity isn't a thing either.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    , @anonymous
    @Art Deco

    I wonder if there is an easy way to compare rates of non-violent psychopathy across countries.

  110. @Wilkey
    @Nicholas Stix

    1) The Boulder murderer.*

    2) The NAS Pensacola terrorist.

    3) The San Bernardino terrorist.

    4) The Boston Marathon terrorists.

    Four major acts of violence all of which could have been stopped had we simply chosen to stop Muslim immigration after 9/11. Instead we decided to fight Islamic extremism by letting millions more of them into our country (and other Western countries), spending trillions of dollars on two pointless wars (one of which we are still fighting), losing thousands of American servicemen, permanently crippling tens of thousands of other American servicemen, and turning America into a massive surveillance state restricting our rights and our freedoms.

    * Note that I'm not sure I would consider al-Issa a terrorist. See my other comment. He was radicalized by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media, not ISIS.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Achmed E. Newman

    Muslims in The U.S have done a lot of damage for a demographic group who are only 0.9% of The U.S population. Imagine if Muslims were 9% of The U.S population, we would have the American version Parisston and Londonstan!

  111. Trump lied, people died.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Supply and Demand

    Cool macro, bro. But Colorado is one of the more MAGA-shy white states outside New England/upper Atlantic seaboard. Is there any reason for non-nutroots/non-tankies to take it seriously as a political model?

    , @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    •Troll

    , @Alden
    @Supply and Demand

    We haven’t heard from the ESL teacher dependent on the Grand Vizier of Manchuria in a while. Or Godfree Roberts either.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  112. @Wilkey
    @Nicholas Stix

    1) The Boulder murderer.*

    2) The NAS Pensacola terrorist.

    3) The San Bernardino terrorist.

    4) The Boston Marathon terrorists.

    Four major acts of violence all of which could have been stopped had we simply chosen to stop Muslim immigration after 9/11. Instead we decided to fight Islamic extremism by letting millions more of them into our country (and other Western countries), spending trillions of dollars on two pointless wars (one of which we are still fighting), losing thousands of American servicemen, permanently crippling tens of thousands of other American servicemen, and turning America into a massive surveillance state restricting our rights and our freedoms.

    * Note that I'm not sure I would consider al-Issa a terrorist. See my other comment. He was radicalized by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media, not ISIS.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Achmed E. Newman

    There’s another aspect to it too, Wilkey. One pillar of the Invade-the-World/Invite-the-World project (™-Sailer) is that the killing and maiming of people in certain foreign lands can be used as a great excuse to import some of them, including families of those killed and maimed, into the US as “refugees”. It’s not likely that any of them will hold a grudge or anything, because ‘Merica! It’s a melting pot … start with water, add a little sodium and potassium for flavor … there ya go!

    And a big [AGREE] to Nick Stix for the comment you are replying to. (I ran out for a while.)

    • Agree: El Dato
  113. @Achmed E. Newman
    Even his family members knew there was something wrong with him, yet nobody did anything. I'm curious about this "blacking out" business too. Nobody wanted to admit there was something psychological and maybe physically too, wrong with the guy. Of course, ethnicity disappointingly now determined, the Lyin' Press will proceed to make this about the guns only. That's the narrative that this one will be inserted into.

    BTW, it's too bad that the wresting didn't help this guy take out his aggression. It's a great sport, and one that doesn't take anywhere near the amount of money and equipment that the big ones do. I'm just biased, but I wish Wrestling (the real stuff, not the silly Wrastling on TV) and Ultimate Frisbee would become more popular than Football, Basketball, and Communist Kickball.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Known Fact, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Nicholas Stix, @Jonathan Mason, @Matt Buckalew

    Maybe if you could created a world where wrestlers aren’t just the kids with rage problems too slow to make the football team you could see your aspirations realized. You should get with Elon on that.

    As it is the popularity of sports in America is tied almost directly to how much pussy being on the team gets you in high school. Wrestlers get zero pussy. It’s time for the whites who take the bruthas on and beat them in real sports remind wrestlers why they are wrestling. Because your dad couldn’t make the football team in high school so he wrestled. If he had made the football team then he would have never encouraged his boy to wrestle. Lol.

  114. @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    Don't think violent crime is much of a problem in most Arab countries. Homicide rates around 1-2 per 100,000 are typical.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @anonymous

    Arab countries dominate the list of nations where terrorism is an epidemic. Arabs also dominate gang rapes in Europe. There’s a White female Fox News reporter who was gang raped by Egyptians!

  115. e says:

    The paranoia sounds like that of a speed freak.

    I knew a speed user who told his sister the fBI was following him. She believed him and when she met with him later that day and questioned him, she realized he’d turned paranoid.

    He was not at all thin and his teeth were not rotted. He was in his early 20s when this happened.

    Right after his 30th birthdate, he asphyxiated himself w/ fishing line in the garage The family never knew if it was intentional (he claimed in a letter that his wife, who was stoned all the time, didn’t love him) or if this was a erotic sexual practice gone wrong.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @e

    "if this was a erotic sexual practice gone wrong"

    I've heard of people "enjoying" manual strangulation (obviously don't overdo it ;-) and even hanging (it often goes wrong and they die, see this guy for details, unless it WAS foul play) but with fishing line? That would be like garotting yourself for pleasure. Seems unlikely.

  116. @Muggles
    @Jack D


    People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns.
     
    Yes, sounds good.

    So how exactly do we find that out about a crazyperson? Does the CDC issue a button they have to wear? Tattoo?

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition. And one that says something about you not engaging in crime.

    But despite the paperwork, crazy folks and criminals manage to buy guns. Maybe they are dishonest?

    It's almost as if your mental state of mind, sanity and inclination to commit a crime is just not obvious to the casual observer or by a questionnaire. "People are hard to figure out."

    Woke Narnia is going to get to work on that.

    Replies: @Chris Mallory, @Jack D, @Dr. DoomNGloom


    People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns.

    Yes, sounds good.

    So how exactly do we find that out about a crazyperson? Does the CDC issue a button they have to wear? Tattoo?

    There are questions on the federal firearms purchase form you have to fill out/sign about whether or not you are being treated for a mental condition. And one that says something about you not engaging in crime.

    Yes, appears to be paranoid schizophrenia, pretty clear in hindsight. But who would even bothering trying to report those prior incidents and risk being branded a racist. Dylon Roof is an evil monster who must be put down, this poor sap is a victim of society. And he is, because absent the wokeakholics, he might have received life changing treatment.

  117. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Firstly, are you an NRA member, Jack?

    Now, to the point, a smart guy like you ought to be able to see how the idea you support is going to go. OK, just a form, no problem. Americans will need to self-certify that they have no psychological problems when buying guns or ammo.

    Then, all psychologists and psychiatrists will be required to submit "paperwork" on line on all patients to be collected by the BATFE to be sent to gun stores who will be required to check that database before any sales. There will be new government bureau attached to the BATFE for that. We're gonna need that to do this right, agreed, Jack? However, many people may be referred to psychiatrists by other doctors who don't ever go visit. So, this will absolutely have to be expanded to all physicians too.

    Next, vindictive doctors on a left-wing bent, and there are some, will be free to report whomever they want. At some point, the definition of "needing psychiatric help" will be expanded per a few E.O.s from the executive branch. That'll do for a while, but the next step will be to allow individual names or names of members of "un-psychologically-sound" groups to be entered into the database directly by the FBI, State law enforcement, and any other member of law enforcement, down to the TSA and mall cops. It's too much trouble to keep categorizing people and issuing E.O.s, you know, plus the President is busy with killing people overseas too, so ...

    I don't see how one can support this stuff unless one has no knowledge of what ever went on in Totalitarian countries over the last century or two. Let me put it this way: What CAN be used against you WILL be used against you! Maybe you've heard that already in person, hopefully not Jack.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @theMann

    Are you by any chance a gun shop owner?

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason


    Are you by any chance a gun shop owner?
     
    Nope, just an NRA member, and I officially own one gun. What I am though, is, besides a reader of NRA literature, Constitutionalist articles and the like, is a student of Totalitarianism. I know how it gets accomplished, Jonathan.
  118. Perhaps all the hate directed at the Regular-American community by the mainstream media plays a role in encouraging them to lash out at Regular-Americans?

    ‘Regular-Americans’ have been the prime participants and supporters of the wars in the Middle East over the past 2 decades that have killed, wounded, disfigured, displaced millions of people in the Middle East. The hate directed at the Middle East by the mainstream media has been much greater, and the crime and culpability of the lashing out at the Middle East has been much greater.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Shahid


    ‘Regular-Americans’ have been the prime participants and supporters of the wars in the Middle East over the past 2 decades
     
    Donald Trump won election in 2016 - with overwhelming support from "Regular-Americans" - on a platform that included ending the pointless Middle Eastern wars.

    Paperwork-Americans and other hyphens went berserk and spent the next 4 years trying to remove him from office. The Military-Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned about is vastly larger and more influential via the buying of members of Congress than many people realize.

    If you really believe that the average American supports these adventures, your knowledge of the US is not very deep. You are correct that those doing the fighting tend to be Americans rather than Paperwork-Americans, however the reasons for this are many and not the point of this post.

    Very little that the federal government does is supported by Americans. For example, few Americans supported the importation of millions of hostile foreigners, one of whom is now Vice President.

    From your name and the contents of your comment, I assume you are from the Middle East. It would be good for Middle Easterners to understand that America is filled with Americans as well as 100mm or so foreigners and aliens that, for reasons not germane to this post, hold citizenship.


    The hate directed at the Middle East by the mainstream media has been much greater
     
    The mainstream media includes very few Regular-Americans, and lots and lots of Paperwork-Americans.
    , @Jay Fink
    @Shahid

    No the mainstream media pushes the idea that Islam is the religion of peace. Their campaign has been pretty successful. I remember minutes after the Fort Hood shootings the initial reaction online was that it was highly unusual for a member of the military to kill fellow military members. Of the comments I read no one even suspected jihad at first.

  119. The term “blacked out” seems problematic, if accurate.

  120. Hopefully, voices in the establishment media will hit upon the idea that dude was a victim of Islamophobia, driven to his crime by bullying.

    This will help to further alienate the bulk of Americans, further reduce the media’s influence over us, and thus liberate us, making a counter-revolution more likely.

  121. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver's license? Wouldn't there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @By-tor, @Crawfurdmuir, @Reg Cæsar, @Paul Mendez, @Alden

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    Former felons have been prohibited by federal and all state laws from possessing rimfire and centerfire guns for 53 years. The questions on a Form 4473 pertaining to misdemeanors, mental illness, drug use and domestic violence are on the form. Non-resident and resident aliens are permitted to buy firearms provided they meet documentation requirements, and they must also fill out the same Form 4473 as a US citizen.

    https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    @By-tor


    Former felons have been prohibited by federal and all state laws from possessing rimfire and centerfire guns for 53 years.
     
    Some states even bar felons from using muzzle loading firearms and cap and ball revolvers. Kentucky which has rather good firearms laws, defines a firearm as “Firearm means any weapon which will expel a projectile by the action of an explosive." So the felon might be safe from Federal charges with a cap and ball revolver, but would be subject to the state law barring felons from possessing firearms.

    Replies: @By-tor

  122. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I’m basically to the point where I automatically discount anything that comes out of a newsreader’s mouth or that is printed on the front page of a newspaper. If that’s paranoid, so be it.
    The problem, as always, is that the people who will decide that one has the mental competency to own firearms will be the same sort of people that are in charge of issuing concealed carry permits in NYC.

  123. @Thomas
    @Jack D

    "Mental illness" as a criterion to bar someone completely from exercise of a Constitutional right is terrifying and dangerous. First of all, how is "mental illness" defined and by whom? Did someone have to see a therapist for awhile after suffering a loss? Have they ever taken psychiatric medications for any condition? (A huge percentage of the country has at some point.) It's already blindingly obvious that the modern American left, true to form for any incipient totalitarian movement, regards its opposition as presumptively mentally ill and would bar them from participating in public life altogether. Democrats in New York have already proposed a law to screen gun license applicants' social media for badthink.

    The criterion should be what it already is: whether someone has been adjudicated by a court, on the basis of clear and convincing evidence and with notice and opportunity for a hearing, that they pose a danger to themselves or others. And that criterion, danger, is what people should be watching for. I've said this since Sandy Hook. The general public isn't qualified to diagnose strangers with mental illness. They'd call anyone who seems to them a little weird "mentally ill." People understand danger though, and threatening behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @vhrm

    “Have they ever taken psychiatric medications for any condition?”

    How many cops in America are taking or have recently taken prescription psychoactive medicines, e.g. Xanax? How many cops drink excessively?

    How many cops have guns?

  124. @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    Don't think violent crime is much of a problem in most Arab countries. Homicide rates around 1-2 per 100,000 are typical.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @anonymous

    Justice is swift and sure in those countries and diversity isn’t a thing either.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I'm not a fan of Islamic culture in general but I do admire the way they handle criminals. They are superior to us in that regard.

  125. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver's license? Wouldn't there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @By-tor, @Crawfurdmuir, @Reg Cæsar, @Paul Mendez, @Alden

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    The rationale for denying convicted felons the right to own firearms is the same as that for the other civil disabilities that apply (or at least used to apply) to convicted felons, such as loss of the right to vote or to be elected to public office. All felonies were originally capital offenses (see Blackstone). Gradually the death penalty ceased to apply to most felonies, but the felon was still considered “civilly dead” and lost many of the rights of a citizen.

    The Fourteenth Amendment provides (§1) that “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” In §2 it provides that “Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”

    Thus, a person who has been duly convicted of a crime may be condemned to suffer slavery or some other form of involuntary servitude as a punishment. This can include such limitations on his freedom for the remainder of his life as Congress shall legislate.

  126. Oh OK. MSM style race-baiting makes people do bad things. But yours doesn’t. Just sayin’. Race-baitin’ am race-baitin’ no matter who do it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag

    Incredible coherent logic. You're a straight shooter with upper management written all over you. But whatever faint goodwill lingered from decades of sustained dogmatic messaging about tolerance and diversity was completely liquidated during the 2012 Barack Re-Up campaign.

    The idea of "shaming" your political opponents for irresponsible hate rhetoric is now laughably quaint, seeing as hatred is the electricity of the holy-war factions of the left. Postcolonial shrieks about whiteness are literally your most popular position going, in every media format. It isn't minimum wage, some blather on socialized health care, being against surveillance capitalism, it's not being pro/con on military adventures, etc. etc. The left just *cannot* shut up, in its invariably girlish, Tiger Beat m.o., about the big bad whiteman.

  127. Anonymous[372] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s funny, the specter of white Arab angst haunting DIE-merica. But there’s also something routine and discouraging about it– maybe just a little bit? cf. from 1997:
    https://www.theonion.com/crazed-palestinian-gunman-angered-by-stereotypes-1819564228

  128. Is there any speculation about why the shooter was wearing only a pair of shorts????? Daytime temperature in Boulder is about 45-35 degrees in March winter coat and long pants weather.

    Seems very strange. Did the police take away his clothes? If they searched him throughly why didn’t they get him dressed again. Was he dressed like that when he entered the supermarket and started shouting.?

    I had an aunt and uncle who lived in Arvada Co. visited them twice.

  129. HA says:
    @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    “Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate?”

    You make an excellent point, but this is just a variation of “see something; say something”, which, again, doesn’t work so well when the guy’s name is something resembling Ahmad (or Muh-ammad). Once he declared himself to be a victim of islamophobic bullying, he was basically bulletproof. Would you want to be the counselor or psychiatrist who has to read a HuffPost/NYT headline — it practically writes itself — along the lines of “Gaslighting the victims: I told them I was being bullied for being a Muslim, and then they told me I was the one with ‘mental issues’”?

    The opening paragraph will be something like “In a decision reminiscent of Soviet-era psychiatric wards for dissidents, a young Muslim man was subjected to court-supervised psychiatric….”

  130. It’s systemic racism to blame…..

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-03-24/politically-incorrect-hollywood-movies-tcm

    Column: What should happen to racist, sexist and homophobic movies from an earlier era?


    ……………….

    “Male domination as romantic fantasy” is discussed in connection with “Seven Brides,” a musical comedy in which seven backwoods frontiersmen kidnap seven women to be their wives.

    The swaggering, macho, anti-Native American vigilante played by John Wayne in “The Searchers” was debated by the experts: Was he a hero or antihero? “Gone With the Wind” was flatly (and rightly) characterized as “supporting a white supremacist point of view.” Mickey Rooney’s appalling comic portrayal of the Japanese photographer who lives upstairs from Audrey Hepburn‘s character in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” was discussed as a vile relic of World War II animosity.
    …………………

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bardon Kaldian


    ...“Seven Brides,” a musical comedy in which seven backwoods frontiersmen kidnap seven women to be their wives.
     
    Pocahontas was already married when the English kidnapped her. Henry VIII had already solved that problem for them, though. No need for popish annulments.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  131. Muslim Crazyman Angry Over Trump and “Racist Islamophobia” , PartisanGirl thinks he is a moderate rebel.

    • Replies: @anon
    @George

    No she doesn't: "His TERROR attack."

    Syrian Girl noting the hypocrisy and BS in US media.
    (God Bless her.)

    If somewhere US elites don't care for - then "moderate, even freedom fighter".
    If possible to use for new 2nd A attacks, then other words used.

  132. The simplest anti-immigration slogan:

    Don’t fill your country with people who hate you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Drake


    The simplest anti-immigration slogan:

    Don’t fill your country with people who hate you.
     
    Or love you. The parents love us; it's their American-born or -reared children who hate us.

    Not without reason. We have so little regard for our traditions and culture that we let just anybody in. They figure out their parents made a mistake in coming here.

    Replies: @anon, @Alden

  133. I have a semi-personal connection to the Columbine massacre – I know people who were there. I’ve researched the event fairly extensively.

    After the shooting, there were many rumors about the killers’ being bullied by the “jocks” – the wrestlers and the football players. Reportedly, the wrestling team captain – a state champion – was a real-life Biff Tannen. The media created a Revenge of the Nerds narrative about 4/20 that has never been fully debunked, despite the efforts of various revisionist authors.

    (One best-selling book even makes the dubious claim that Eric Harris was a popular chad. According to the people I know who knew him, that’s total BS.)

    So now we’ve come full circle – now the jocks are the ones going around shooting random people. And the nerds are the ones doing the bullying.

  134. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    Family might have, probably tried to get help. But there’s really no help. Unless a physician, not some fake useless psychologist counselor prescribed Xanax Prozac or other drug that totally calms him down. And if the patient takes the drugs every day. And if he’s functional enough that he doesn’t need a high dose that makes him too groggy and sleepy to function.

    Dr Sigmund Fraud and his talk therapy set research and treatment for mental illness back 100 years. And many medical schools are still stuck in useless Fraudian talk therapy.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden

    Which medical schools in the United States are still teaching Freud as an alternative to psychotropic drug therapy as a treatment for severe mental illness?

    When somebody is presenting symptoms such as believing that their former high school is bugging their cell phone, they would most likely be given antipsychotic medications like Risperdal, olanzapine, or if these are not effective, Clozaril.

    They would not be given Prozac unless they had significant depressive symptoms, and Xanax is very rarely prescribed by proper mental health professionals as ii is extremely habit forming and also likely to exacerbate symptoms by causing disinhibition.

    It is well recognized that people who demonstrate paranoid symptoms in a paranoid personality disorder or in paranoid schizophrenia are the most dangerous of all mentally ill people.

    This concept has been known for a very long time and goes right back in forensic psychiatry to McNaughton, well before Freud's time.

    Unfortunately in recent decades advocates for the mentally ill have continually pushed the point of view that only a very small percentage of mentally ill people are dangerous to the public, which may even be true.

    What they leave out is the fact that when people do truly insane things that are dangerous to the public, almost 100% of them are mentally ill.

    Replies: @Alden

  135. @Jack D
    @Nicholas Stix

    At the very least they should be sued civilly by the families of the victims. If the Al Issa family thought that their beautiful home and restaurant and SUVs were at risk, they might not have been so blase' about allowing their mentally fragile son to play with guns.

    Replies: @anon

    Same should apply to all those Elites pushing and supporting
    the now ten year assault on Syria. Their homes easily over
    800k. Expensive cars, jewelry, 2nd homes and weapons.

    Syrians take every last penny and gold from teeth.

  136. @notsaying
    Off Topic:

    Here's a pleasant surprise. The UK proposes a serious, detailed approach to curtail illegal immigration. It seems like they tried to think of everything to stop the baloney and made appropriate changes. We will have to see if they stick to their guns and if it survives court challenges. They have a real advantage by not giving citizenship to all children born there. They can deport families who have been living there for a number of years with no worries about citizen children:

    "Illegal migrants will be denied the right to settle in the UK even if they are granted asylum under plans by Priti Patel to crush people-smuggling.

    The Home Secretary is proposing that those who get asylum will only be granted "temporary protection status", which means they will be regularly reassessed for removal from the UK, have limited family reunion rights and no access to benefits unless destitute.

    Only those who come to the UK through legitimate routes – via official Government refugee schemes from war zones or to escape persecution – will be entitled to indefinite leave to remain."

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/illegal-migrants-denied-settle-uk-191434721.html

    Replies: @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Alden

    Sounds like a great law. Now all it needs is to be enforced.

    • Agree: notsaying
  137. @Jack D
    @Muggles

    It's not wrong to ask these questions on the firearms application - at the very least it gives the government grounds to later prosecute for false statements when discrepancies are discovered (and not necessarily only after you have already committed a gun crime).

    I can't imagine that the alternative - that you should be required to undergo a complete psychological evaluation at your own expense as Jonathan suggest above - would be well received by the NRA.

    In a better world (not the world that we live in) I could see a sort of grand bargain between the pro- and anti- gun factions in the US - you would be allowed to own any sort of weapon or magazine you like, even full automatics, but only after you had been screened and found to have a spotless record. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Achmed E. Newman, @Muggles

    Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years

    Both the original Mafia and most law enforcement outfits have the same sort of rule. If anyone in your family was on the opposite side of the fence at some point, they won’t let you join.

    So this may be useful for some screening. However it is “unfair” to punish the sons/daughters for the sins of their fathers/mothers.

    For all gun purchasers, obviously not going to fly. Daddy might be nuts but you probably aren’t. In this Colorado instance, what we see is the common manifestation of ‘schizoid” behavior emerging in males in their late teens, early adulthood. His friends/family noticed. But until he acted out, nothing could be done.

    The real problem is both “evil” and “mental issues” can’t really be detected in advance for most circumstances. Yes, we’d be safer if that could be done. But we don’t live in Magic Land.

    More generic gun laws (constitutional carry) might reduce mass shootings due to victim interference. But like stopping crazies, it is a pretty random solution. There are (very unpopular) laws which can apply if someone reports a person who is “acting out”, crazy etc. but has firearms. They can in some circumstance have firearms temporarily taken away; subsequently adjudicated. Still not very effective.

    Crazies can/do also use knives, arson, improvised explosives to carry out their misdeeds.

    Society foolishly let all but the most obviously deranged people loose and no longer bother to try to keep them away from the public. So efforts in that direction seem unlikely.

    Unless you hold to the idea that punishing millions of innocent citizens to prevent the unpredictable acts of a tiny number of crazies (which only shuts down one avenue of violence) this entire subject is a dead end.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Muggles


    Society foolishly let all but the most obviously deranged people loose and no longer bother to try to keep them away from the public. So efforts in that direction seem unlikely.
     
    Well, it's not really "society", it's the efforts of specific people. In this case, it is the legacy of the David Bazelon/Geraldo Rivera axis of evil that has bestowed their legacy upon us that no lunatic may be locked up no matter how dangerous, filthy or diseased.
  138. Presumably, all the misfits in Colorado high schools have heard of Columbine.

    Bingo!

    It sounds like Alissa might be a little too assimilated.

    By the way, doesn’t a criminal committing insane violence and then stripping off most of his clothes sound like he was on angel dust, a drug that encourages both ridiculous violence and overheating?

    Interesting question. I hadn’t thought of it; but now that you mention it, it wouldn’t surprise me.

  139. @Redneck farmer
    "Still no motive determined in Colorado shooting".
    Going by history Steve, in Season Two of your show, or the sequel movie, we find the killer was befriended by an FBI agent, who was using him to track extremists.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @DCThrowback, @Almost Missouri

    Yes, that’s the ticket! Then we go franchise:

    FBI San Bernardino: FBI knows in advance of Tashfeen Malik terrorist attack, does nothing.

    FBI Orlando: FBI tipped off by the local sheriff to Pulse Nightclub shooter Omar Mateen, does nothing.

    FBI Boston: FBI tipped off by Russians in advance of the Tsarnaev brothers Boston Marathon bombing, does nothing.

    FBI Parkland: FBI knows in advance of school shooter Nikolas Cruz, does nothing.

    FBI Fort Hood: FBI knows Nidal Hasan in advance of his shooting rampage, does nothing.

    FBI Garland, Texas: Undercover FBI agent encourages and accompanies Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi on their AK-47 assault on local Mohammed Cartoon Drawing contest, then weasels out of the ensuing lawsuit.

    Then we have the FBI All-Star Justice League Team Up: FBI deploys dozens of agents STAT! to Alabama when word reaches them of a racist garage door pull at the local speedway. In next season’s sequel, the FBI All Star Justice League Team Up will descend on Los Anglees to recover Lady Gaga’s dogs after they are abducted by dastardly dognappers who may also be racist or sexist.

    The FBI needs these kind of positive public relation exercises so the ungrateful public will love them again after the reputational collapse the FBI has unjustly suffered.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Almost Missouri

    And for the teaser finale for season two:

    Washington DC sniper John Allen Muhammad boasts of being a CIA asset more than one year before the 2002 beltway shooting! (Which, although reported by the Associated Press, was then immediately memory-holed by the prestige press!)


    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/sniperboast.html

  140. He bought a Ruger AR- 556 pistol exactly a week ago on March 16, 2021.

    That was the day of the Atlanta Massage Parlor massacre

    What are the local rules there in Boulder, are there background checks etc? Would he be able to just walk in off the street and buy a gun?

    • Replies: @By-tor
    @Lurker

    The same crime networks that run drugs into the white suburbs also have access to stolen i-phones and electronics, stolen cars, stolen prescription drugs, shoplifted clothing and stolen guns. Black neighborhood theft gangs sell stolen and straw-purchased guns 365 days a year to former felons. How else do you think 14-year-old Qua'trense and 17-year-old and Dre'barius get their hands on a $500 Glock 19 or a $700 PSA AK pistol to commit carjackings near and within upscale neighborhoods and shopping districts? Just ask any policeman or sheriff's deputy.

    Replies: @Lurker

  141. Presumably, all the misfits in Colorado high schools have heard of Columbine.

    Well, it is the state flower. For now.

    https://statesymbolsusa.org/symbol/colorado/state-flower/rocky-mountain-columbine

    Still, how many misfits are aware of the California poppy, the Penngift crownvetch, or the showy lady slipper?

    Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa

    Sunday puzzle time: How many Islamic or Arabic terms can you make out of these letters? Salaam, halal, wadi, Mali, Saïd, wail, sadism…

    But infidel words also intrude: swami, missal, wassail, Dalai Lama.

  142. @Wilkey
    1) This guy doesn't sound like your standard Islamic extremist. Islam appears to be little more than a part of his identity he can use to feel aggrieved and a reason to hate the majority, white culture.

    This guy wasn't radicalized by Islam. He was radicalized by the Democratic Party and the mainstream media. He was made to feel he had a legitimate reason to hate white Americans - and even a reason to murder them. The tolerance and excuses made for violence during the riots last year by everyone on the Left were more a contributing factor to this man's behavior than anything ISIS ever said or did.

    2) That is probably part of why he chose a store in Boulder, despite living several miles away in Arvada. Boulder is the Whitopia of the Denver metro area. It is exactly where you would expect to go to find a store almost entirely full of white victims - and that is what he found.

    It will be interesting to see on the security video if he simply didn't come across any non-whites in the store, or if he did but chose to let them go (even though al-Issa is technically white). I would wager there is a solid chance he came across a few non-whites and chose to let them go. Boulder may be super white, but even there you are going to find a non-white customer or employee. That would probably be enough evidence to add a hate crimes charge.

    3) If all the allegations by his family and former classmates are correct, there should have been more than enough evidence to deny this guy the right to buy a gun. Someone - his family, his school, or law enforcement - didn't do what they were morally and/or legally obliged to do.

    4) Some news sites have pointed out that a court in Colorado just overturned a gun control law ten days before this happened. That law was only in Boulder. It wouldn't have done a damn thing to keep al-Issa from purchasing a gun anywhere else in the state.

    5) However, what they should be focusing on is the fact that the Democratic legislature and Governor Jared Schutz just passed a law eliminating the death penalty last year. Al-Issa appears to have had the presence of mind to do what he needed to do to keep from being killed by the cops - stripping down to his shorts to show he was unarmed and didn't have a suicide vest. He wanted to stay alive, and by eliminating the death penalty, Schutz and the Democrats have allowed him to.

    Replies: @prime noticer, @Lurker

    Islam appears to be little more than a part of his identity he can use to feel aggrieved and a reason to hate the majority, white culture.

    That sounds like a lot of Muslims resident in the western world.

  143. @Bardon Kaldian
    It's systemic racism to blame.....

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-03-24/politically-incorrect-hollywood-movies-tcm

    Column: What should happen to racist, sexist and homophobic movies from an earlier era?

    https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/389c9b5/2147483647/strip/true/crop/1800x1291+0+0/resize/840x602!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fd3%2F45%2F546f81204cd789a7fbc668c814a1%2Fla-en-the-searchers-movie-292.JPG
    ...................

    “Male domination as romantic fantasy” is discussed in connection with “Seven Brides,” a musical comedy in which seven backwoods frontiersmen kidnap seven women to be their wives.

    The swaggering, macho, anti-Native American vigilante played by John Wayne in “The Searchers” was debated by the experts: Was he a hero or antihero? “Gone With the Wind” was flatly (and rightly) characterized as “supporting a white supremacist point of view.” Mickey Rooney’s appalling comic portrayal of the Japanese photographer who lives upstairs from Audrey Hepburn‘s character in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” was discussed as a vile relic of World War II animosity.
    .....................

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb3gdUrIC4Q

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …“Seven Brides,” a musical comedy in which seven backwoods frontiersmen kidnap seven women to be their wives.

    Pocahontas was already married when the English kidnapped her. Henry VIII had already solved that problem for them, though. No need for popish annulments.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWlsc0FV9M

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

  144. @George
    Muslim Crazyman Angry Over Trump and "Racist Islamophobia" , PartisanGirl thinks he is a moderate rebel.

    https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1374489133289074691?s=20

    Replies: @anon

    No she doesn’t: “His TERROR attack.”

    Syrian Girl noting the hypocrisy and BS in US media.
    (God Bless her.)

    If somewhere US elites don’t care for – then “moderate, even freedom fighter”.
    If possible to use for new 2nd A attacks, then other words used.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  145. @Alden
    @notsaying

    Family might have, probably tried to get help. But there’s really no help. Unless a physician, not some fake useless psychologist counselor prescribed Xanax Prozac or other drug that totally calms him down. And if the patient takes the drugs every day. And if he’s functional enough that he doesn’t need a high dose that makes him too groggy and sleepy to function.

    Dr Sigmund Fraud and his talk therapy set research and treatment for mental illness back 100 years. And many medical schools are still stuck in useless Fraudian talk therapy.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Which medical schools in the United States are still teaching Freud as an alternative to psychotropic drug therapy as a treatment for severe mental illness?

    When somebody is presenting symptoms such as believing that their former high school is bugging their cell phone, they would most likely be given antipsychotic medications like Risperdal, olanzapine, or if these are not effective, Clozaril.

    They would not be given Prozac unless they had significant depressive symptoms, and Xanax is very rarely prescribed by proper mental health professionals as ii is extremely habit forming and also likely to exacerbate symptoms by causing disinhibition.

    It is well recognized that people who demonstrate paranoid symptoms in a paranoid personality disorder or in paranoid schizophrenia are the most dangerous of all mentally ill people.

    This concept has been known for a very long time and goes right back in forensic psychiatry to McNaughton, well before Freud’s time.

    Unfortunately in recent decades advocates for the mentally ill have continually pushed the point of view that only a very small percentage of mentally ill people are dangerous to the public, which may even be true.

    What they leave out is the fact that when people do truly insane things that are dangerous to the public, almost 100% of them are mentally ill.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jonathan Mason

    USC and most American med schools still do teach Fraudian psychology according to 2 anti Fraudian psychiatrists I know.

    Prozac and Xanax are very widely prescribed for mild to severe depression. Paranoia is often a result of situational depression. Fired from a job can’t get another one because you’re a White man. Can’t afford to live in your house anymore because the utility and property taxes have risen so much you can’t pay them

    The psychiatrists believe Prozac and Xanax work. Patients get out of bed go to work care for their children and function with those meds.

    You’re not a psychiatrist or psychologist. You don’t live in America. You’re not familiar with the dysfunctional mental health system. Some kids are bullied to the point of suicide in the UK. Happens every year.

    Just because he was big and a wrestler doesn’t mean he wasn’t bullied. Maybe he was lying he was bullied. No way he would have been institutionalization. There’s an anti risperdal movement in America Some claim it doesn’t help and makes the patient worse.

    Wikipedia is not always completely correct.

  146. @Drake
    The simplest anti-immigration slogan:

    Don't fill your country with people who hate you.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The simplest anti-immigration slogan:

    Don’t fill your country with people who hate you.

    Or love you. The parents love us; it’s their American-born or -reared children who hate us.

    Not without reason. We have so little regard for our traditions and culture that we let just anybody in. They figure out their parents made a mistake in coming here.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    The parents love us; it’s their American-born or -reared children who hate us.
    Not without reason. We have so little regard for our traditions and culture that we let just anybody in. They figure out their parents made a mistake in coming here
     
    Good comment.
    People need traditions and a strong culture.
    , @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Tha major reason children of immigrants grow up to hate America and White Americans is 12 years of hate America and hate Whites indoctrination in public, secular private and to a lesser extent religious private schools. Plus TV Netflix Facebook Instagram much of social media.

    There’s lots of conflict between the boomer Vietnamese immigrants and their hate America indoctrinated grandchildren.

    The young Cubans seem to be the only immigrant descendants immune to the hate America hate Whitey indoctrination

  147. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Supply and Demand
    Trump lied, people died.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Alden

    Cool macro, bro. But Colorado is one of the more MAGA-shy white states outside New England/upper Atlantic seaboard. Is there any reason for non-nutroots/non-tankies to take it seriously as a political model?

  148. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Drake


    The simplest anti-immigration slogan:

    Don’t fill your country with people who hate you.
     
    Or love you. The parents love us; it's their American-born or -reared children who hate us.

    Not without reason. We have so little regard for our traditions and culture that we let just anybody in. They figure out their parents made a mistake in coming here.

    Replies: @anon, @Alden

    The parents love us; it’s their American-born or -reared children who hate us.
    Not without reason. We have so little regard for our traditions and culture that we let just anybody in. They figure out their parents made a mistake in coming here

    Good comment.
    People need traditions and a strong culture.

  149. @Supply and Demand
    Trump lied, people died.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Alden

    •Troll

  150. anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco
    @anonymous

    Don't think violent crime is much of a problem in most Arab countries. Homicide rates around 1-2 per 100,000 are typical.

    Replies: @Luzzatto, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @anonymous

    I wonder if there is an easy way to compare rates of non-violent psychopathy across countries.

  151. @Thomas
    @Jack D

    "Mental illness" as a criterion to bar someone completely from exercise of a Constitutional right is terrifying and dangerous. First of all, how is "mental illness" defined and by whom? Did someone have to see a therapist for awhile after suffering a loss? Have they ever taken psychiatric medications for any condition? (A huge percentage of the country has at some point.) It's already blindingly obvious that the modern American left, true to form for any incipient totalitarian movement, regards its opposition as presumptively mentally ill and would bar them from participating in public life altogether. Democrats in New York have already proposed a law to screen gun license applicants' social media for badthink.

    The criterion should be what it already is: whether someone has been adjudicated by a court, on the basis of clear and convincing evidence and with notice and opportunity for a hearing, that they pose a danger to themselves or others. And that criterion, danger, is what people should be watching for. I've said this since Sandy Hook. The general public isn't qualified to diagnose strangers with mental illness. They'd call anyone who seems to them a little weird "mentally ill." People understand danger though, and threatening behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @vhrm

    I’ll go a step further: what’s SO special about guns? Yes, they’re a generally efficient personal weapon but, as we saw in Europe repeatedly a few years ago, you can also do pretty serious damage by driving a car or van onto a crowded sidewalk. Stabbing has also been used. As have Pressure Cooker bombs (since Tsarnaev has been in the news lately regarding his possibly reimposed death penalty).

    If somebody is adjudicated that they pose a significant threat to society shouldn’t they be institutionalized for treatment of some sort?

    The focus on guns specifically seems more political than really practical.

    And +1 to your first point about the slippery slope of using “mental illness” to stigmatize, disenfranchise and imprison political enemies.

    Psychiatry and psychology nowadays is still quite rudimentary and the determination of normal vs pathological behavior is highly subjective except in relatively extreme cases. And clinicians differ all the time on what diagnoses are for a given person let alone what treatment to use, how durable any “cure” or period of remission will be, etc.

  152. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    Oh OK. MSM style race-baiting makes people do bad things. But yours doesn't. Just sayin'. Race-baitin' am race-baitin' no matter who do it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Incredible coherent logic. You’re a straight shooter with upper management written all over you. But whatever faint goodwill lingered from decades of sustained dogmatic messaging about tolerance and diversity was completely liquidated during the 2012 Barack Re-Up campaign.

    The idea of “shaming” your political opponents for irresponsible hate rhetoric is now laughably quaint, seeing as hatred is the electricity of the holy-war factions of the left. Postcolonial shrieks about whiteness are literally your most popular position going, in every media format. It isn’t minimum wage, some blather on socialized health care, being against surveillance capitalism, it’s not being pro/con on military adventures, etc. etc. The left just *cannot* shut up, in its invariably girlish, Tiger Beat m.o., about the big bad whiteman.

  153. @e
    The paranoia sounds like that of a speed freak.

    I knew a speed user who told his sister the fBI was following him. She believed him and when she met with him later that day and questioned him, she realized he'd turned paranoid.

    He was not at all thin and his teeth were not rotted. He was in his early 20s when this happened.

    Right after his 30th birthdate, he asphyxiated himself w/ fishing line in the garage The family never knew if it was intentional (he claimed in a letter that his wife, who was stoned all the time, didn't love him) or if this was a erotic sexual practice gone wrong.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “if this was a erotic sexual practice gone wrong”

    I’ve heard of people “enjoying” manual strangulation (obviously don’t overdo it 😉 and even hanging (it often goes wrong and they die, see this guy for details, unless it WAS foul play) but with fishing line? That would be like garotting yourself for pleasure. Seems unlikely.

  154. @Reg Cæsar
    @Drake


    The simplest anti-immigration slogan:

    Don’t fill your country with people who hate you.
     
    Or love you. The parents love us; it's their American-born or -reared children who hate us.

    Not without reason. We have so little regard for our traditions and culture that we let just anybody in. They figure out their parents made a mistake in coming here.

    Replies: @anon, @Alden

    Tha major reason children of immigrants grow up to hate America and White Americans is 12 years of hate America and hate Whites indoctrination in public, secular private and to a lesser extent religious private schools. Plus TV Netflix Facebook Instagram much of social media.

    There’s lots of conflict between the boomer Vietnamese immigrants and their hate America indoctrinated grandchildren.

    The young Cubans seem to be the only immigrant descendants immune to the hate America hate Whitey indoctrination

  155. @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden

    Which medical schools in the United States are still teaching Freud as an alternative to psychotropic drug therapy as a treatment for severe mental illness?

    When somebody is presenting symptoms such as believing that their former high school is bugging their cell phone, they would most likely be given antipsychotic medications like Risperdal, olanzapine, or if these are not effective, Clozaril.

    They would not be given Prozac unless they had significant depressive symptoms, and Xanax is very rarely prescribed by proper mental health professionals as ii is extremely habit forming and also likely to exacerbate symptoms by causing disinhibition.

    It is well recognized that people who demonstrate paranoid symptoms in a paranoid personality disorder or in paranoid schizophrenia are the most dangerous of all mentally ill people.

    This concept has been known for a very long time and goes right back in forensic psychiatry to McNaughton, well before Freud's time.

    Unfortunately in recent decades advocates for the mentally ill have continually pushed the point of view that only a very small percentage of mentally ill people are dangerous to the public, which may even be true.

    What they leave out is the fact that when people do truly insane things that are dangerous to the public, almost 100% of them are mentally ill.

    Replies: @Alden

    USC and most American med schools still do teach Fraudian psychology according to 2 anti Fraudian psychiatrists I know.

    Prozac and Xanax are very widely prescribed for mild to severe depression. Paranoia is often a result of situational depression. Fired from a job can’t get another one because you’re a White man. Can’t afford to live in your house anymore because the utility and property taxes have risen so much you can’t pay them

    The psychiatrists believe Prozac and Xanax work. Patients get out of bed go to work care for their children and function with those meds.

    You’re not a psychiatrist or psychologist. You don’t live in America. You’re not familiar with the dysfunctional mental health system. Some kids are bullied to the point of suicide in the UK. Happens every year.

    Just because he was big and a wrestler doesn’t mean he wasn’t bullied. Maybe he was lying he was bullied. No way he would have been institutionalization. There’s an anti risperdal movement in America Some claim it doesn’t help and makes the patient worse.

    Wikipedia is not always completely correct.

  156. SMK says: • Website
    @Nicholas Stix
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The "blacking out" business is just part of playing the crazy card, which is apparently a privilege reserved for members of AA groups.

    Didn't the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn't they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Chris Mallory, @SMK, @Achmed E. Newman

    He should have been arrested and indicted for aggravated assault, a felony, prosecuted, convicted, and deported. But, then, in a sane country, he wouldn’t have been born and living in Boulder, CO or any other city and state.

    Why are there Muslims in the US and Canada, the UK and Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand? How are these nations and cultures enriched and improved in any sense by an influx and presence of millions of Muslims, overwhelmingly young males, a large minority of whom are terrorists and potential terrorists and/or rapists and violent criminals? The white-hating Muslim zealot in Boulder was both a terrorist and violent criminal, initially the latter and then the former.

    In a sane country, there’d be no Muslims -since their impact and presence as a group is not only negative and often baleful and horrific but also totally gratuitous- or, at worst, a small and negligible number who were fastidiously “vetted” and then vigilantly surveilled for emergent radicalism and potential terrorism.

  157. @Supply and Demand
    Trump lied, people died.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anon, @Alden

    We haven’t heard from the ESL teacher dependent on the Grand Vizier of Manchuria in a while. Or Godfree Roberts either.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Alden

    was enjoying the winter holiday out in the countryside!

  158. @Muggles
    @Jack D


    Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, seemingly had a spotless record with only traffic violations, but his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI Most Wanted list for years
     
    Both the original Mafia and most law enforcement outfits have the same sort of rule. If anyone in your family was on the opposite side of the fence at some point, they won't let you join.

    So this may be useful for some screening. However it is "unfair" to punish the sons/daughters for the sins of their fathers/mothers.

    For all gun purchasers, obviously not going to fly. Daddy might be nuts but you probably aren't. In this Colorado instance, what we see is the common manifestation of 'schizoid" behavior emerging in males in their late teens, early adulthood. His friends/family noticed. But until he acted out, nothing could be done.

    The real problem is both "evil" and "mental issues" can't really be detected in advance for most circumstances. Yes, we'd be safer if that could be done. But we don't live in Magic Land.

    More generic gun laws (constitutional carry) might reduce mass shootings due to victim interference. But like stopping crazies, it is a pretty random solution. There are (very unpopular) laws which can apply if someone reports a person who is "acting out", crazy etc. but has firearms. They can in some circumstance have firearms temporarily taken away; subsequently adjudicated. Still not very effective.

    Crazies can/do also use knives, arson, improvised explosives to carry out their misdeeds.

    Society foolishly let all but the most obviously deranged people loose and no longer bother to try to keep them away from the public. So efforts in that direction seem unlikely.

    Unless you hold to the idea that punishing millions of innocent citizens to prevent the unpredictable acts of a tiny number of crazies (which only shuts down one avenue of violence) this entire subject is a dead end.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Society foolishly let all but the most obviously deranged people loose and no longer bother to try to keep them away from the public. So efforts in that direction seem unlikely.

    Well, it’s not really “society”, it’s the efforts of specific people. In this case, it is the legacy of the David Bazelon/Geraldo Rivera axis of evil that has bestowed their legacy upon us that no lunatic may be locked up no matter how dangerous, filthy or diseased.

  159. @Jack D
    @Jonathan Mason

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a "well regulated militia". Certainly in colonial times they weren't giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I also think that you have to distinguish between "paranoid" in the colloquial sense and in the clinical sense. I see a lot of people here who are paranoid in the colloquial sense - when they hear about a shooting like this, they automatically assume that this is not what it seems to be on the surface but rather just another operation conducted by the grand CIA/Zionist/Masonic conspiracy. This is a little nuts in its own way but it's not the same thing as schizophrenia with paranoid delusions. People who exhibit genuine paranoid delusions should not be allowed to buy guns. It does the Second Amendment no service when guns end up in their hands. This only leads to efforts to ban whatever type of gun they happened to use when the emphasis needs to be on the shooter and not the shooting implement.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Rooster11, @Muggles, @Dr. X, @Thomas, @JMcG, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I think that not selling guns to people who are genuinely mentally ill or who have a history of making death threats or acting out violent rage is a gun control measure that a majority of Americans could agree upon and which would pass constitutional muster. These are people who do not belong in a “well regulated militia”. Certainly in colonial times they weren’t giving muskets out to the village idiot.

    I don’t know about Al-Issa, but what you find in the backgrounds of a lot of the mass shooters is frequently the prescription and administration of psychotropic medications or the abrupt cessation of their use before the shooting. They’re indicated for suicidal ideation.

    Naturally, the pharmaceutical companies dwarf the gun industry and the NRA in sheer size and reach. It would not surprise me if the real scandal here is that the psychoactive medications cause homicidal ideation in some and this fact has been suppressed. The institutional Press has a conflict of interest because as I’m sure you’re aware Big Pharma advertises a lot on network television and in print media (Pharma ads were like half of the print in Newsweek before they stopped printing).

    So, of course Big Pharma has an abiding interest in making these shootings by users of their products about the guns to deflect attention from a common thread uniting mass shootings (the first kind, as Steve would put it – not the ghetto beef mass shootings).

  160. @Shahid

    Perhaps all the hate directed at the Regular-American community by the mainstream media plays a role in encouraging them to lash out at Regular-Americans?
     
    'Regular-Americans' have been the prime participants and supporters of the wars in the Middle East over the past 2 decades that have killed, wounded, disfigured, displaced millions of people in the Middle East. The hate directed at the Middle East by the mainstream media has been much greater, and the crime and culpability of the lashing out at the Middle East has been much greater.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jay Fink

    ‘Regular-Americans’ have been the prime participants and supporters of the wars in the Middle East over the past 2 decades

    Donald Trump won election in 2016 – with overwhelming support from “Regular-Americans” – on a platform that included ending the pointless Middle Eastern wars.

    Paperwork-Americans and other hyphens went berserk and spent the next 4 years trying to remove him from office. The Military-Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned about is vastly larger and more influential via the buying of members of Congress than many people realize.

    If you really believe that the average American supports these adventures, your knowledge of the US is not very deep. You are correct that those doing the fighting tend to be Americans rather than Paperwork-Americans, however the reasons for this are many and not the point of this post.

    Very little that the federal government does is supported by Americans. For example, few Americans supported the importation of millions of hostile foreigners, one of whom is now Vice President.

    From your name and the contents of your comment, I assume you are from the Middle East. It would be good for Middle Easterners to understand that America is filled with Americans as well as 100mm or so foreigners and aliens that, for reasons not germane to this post, hold citizenship.

    The hate directed at the Middle East by the mainstream media has been much greater

    The mainstream media includes very few Regular-Americans, and lots and lots of Paperwork-Americans.

  161. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Firstly, are you an NRA member, Jack?

    Now, to the point, a smart guy like you ought to be able to see how the idea you support is going to go. OK, just a form, no problem. Americans will need to self-certify that they have no psychological problems when buying guns or ammo.

    Then, all psychologists and psychiatrists will be required to submit "paperwork" on line on all patients to be collected by the BATFE to be sent to gun stores who will be required to check that database before any sales. There will be new government bureau attached to the BATFE for that. We're gonna need that to do this right, agreed, Jack? However, many people may be referred to psychiatrists by other doctors who don't ever go visit. So, this will absolutely have to be expanded to all physicians too.

    Next, vindictive doctors on a left-wing bent, and there are some, will be free to report whomever they want. At some point, the definition of "needing psychiatric help" will be expanded per a few E.O.s from the executive branch. That'll do for a while, but the next step will be to allow individual names or names of members of "un-psychologically-sound" groups to be entered into the database directly by the FBI, State law enforcement, and any other member of law enforcement, down to the TSA and mall cops. It's too much trouble to keep categorizing people and issuing E.O.s, you know, plus the President is busy with killing people overseas too, so ...

    I don't see how one can support this stuff unless one has no knowledge of what ever went on in Totalitarian countries over the last century or two. Let me put it this way: What CAN be used against you WILL be used against you! Maybe you've heard that already in person, hopefully not Jack.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @theMann

    It is all a pointless regulatory circle jerk anyway- a hefty percentage of mass shooters use stolen weapons, frequently from relatives. Others simply use weapons obtained illegally, probably about as easy to do as getting drugs. I dont personally know how difficult it is to get either, but I am guessing not hard at all.

    The other half of the circle jerk is Politicians pretending to do something, while they hide behind gated communities with armed guards.

    One could try the horribly illegal Russian method – ruthlessly, and brutally, destroy the families of Muslim Shooters, high cost, but it does work.

    Unfortunately, a hefty majority of Americans can’t accept a simple truth – there is no good solution to Crazy/Evil, only a variety of bad ones. Politicians, of course, always propose confiscation and maximum paperwork.

  162. anon[397] • Disclaimer says:
    @James B. Shearer
    @notsaying

    "... so there’s money for doctors. .."

    The problem is that in many cases there is nothing much doctors can do for mentally ill people. Including making an reliable assessment of how dangerous they are.

    Replies: @anon, @notsaying

    The problem is that in many cases there is nothing much doctors can do for mentally ill people. Including making an reliable assessment of how dangerous they are.

    The Army has shrinks. Some of them went to the sandbox, mostly to the Green zone. A major job for shrinks in the Green zone of the sandbox: try to figure out if a guy was gonna kill himself or not. Well,s oldiers in such a place can be kept track of pretty easily. Their electronic communications can easily be monitored, and any physical mail inspected. They can even be kept off to themselves for a while in a nice, comfy room with a lock on the door.

    Yet it turns out that while it’s pretty easy for a soldier to top himself, it’s also really difficult to determine that in advance. If psych types cannot predict this in a regimented environment, how are they supposed to do something similar with civvies here in the land of the free?

  163. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver's license? Wouldn't there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @By-tor, @Crawfurdmuir, @Reg Cæsar, @Paul Mendez, @Alden

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    “It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to [cast a vote] to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.”

  164. Jack D: “The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:”

    From your wiki link:

    In November 1926, he drove to Lansing and bought two boxes of dynamite at a sporting goods store.[18] Dynamite was also commonly used on farms, so his purchase of small amounts of explosives at different stores and on different dates did not raise any suspicions.

    So quite a bit has actually changed. It’s amazing to realize that, when America was still more or less a free country, anyone could purchase dynamite and machine guns at sporting goods or hardware stores. Of course, few would really want to return to those times. Ordinary people much prefer security to liberty. If the price of security is living under totalitarianism, they’ll willing pay it.

  165. @Lurker

    He bought a Ruger AR- 556 pistol exactly a week ago on March 16, 2021.

    That was the day of the Atlanta Massage Parlor massacre
     

    What are the local rules there in Boulder, are there background checks etc? Would he be able to just walk in off the street and buy a gun?

    Replies: @By-tor

    The same crime networks that run drugs into the white suburbs also have access to stolen i-phones and electronics, stolen cars, stolen prescription drugs, shoplifted clothing and stolen guns. Black neighborhood theft gangs sell stolen and straw-purchased guns 365 days a year to former felons. How else do you think 14-year-old Qua’trense and 17-year-old and Dre’barius get their hands on a $500 Glock 19 or a $700 PSA AK pistol to commit carjackings near and within upscale neighborhoods and shopping districts? Just ask any policeman or sheriff’s deputy.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @By-tor

    Thanks.

    To me, the precision of the statement: "He bought a Ruger AR- 556 pistol exactly a week ago on March 16, 2021." implied a legit, legal purchase. That doesn't mean that it was of course, as per your comment.

  166. @Dumbo

    ‘Yeah if these racist Islamophobic people would stop hacking my phone and let me have a normal life I probably could.’
     
    I see a good opportunity here for Amazon to create a separate AI virtual assistant for Muslims, "ALISSA".

    "Alissa, what is the best place to shoot infidels?"

    In Facebook posts over the last two years, he complained about not having a girlfriend,
     
    This seems to be a common theme among many of these shooters, and if the data that AE posted recently about young men in their 20s "not getting any" is true, then I think we will be seeing a lot more of that...

    Also, Facebook and social media in general appear to be making mental illnesses worse, or at least increase feelings of envy, anger and isolation among young people.

    Replies: @additionalMike, @S. Anonyia

    Something like the Southeast Asian tradition of running amuck?

  167. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver's license? Wouldn't there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @By-tor, @Crawfurdmuir, @Reg Cæsar, @Paul Mendez, @Alden

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    Many people with issues involving things like anger, depression, paranoia and grandiose delusions are still sane enough to lie when they realize they are being subjected to a high-stakes psychological evaluation.

  168. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Are you by any chance a gun shop owner?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Are you by any chance a gun shop owner?

    Nope, just an NRA member, and I officially own one gun. What I am though, is, besides a reader of NRA literature, Constitutionalist articles and the like, is a student of Totalitarianism. I know how it gets accomplished, Jonathan.

  169. @Nicholas Stix
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The "blacking out" business is just part of playing the crazy card, which is apparently a privilege reserved for members of AA groups.

    Didn't the family say both that the shooter was crazy, AND that he had just purchased a new semi-auto pistol, and been seen with a rifle. But they did nothing. So shouldn't they be prosecuted as well, for criminal facilitation?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Chris Mallory, @SMK, @Achmed E. Newman

    This is also in reply to Je Suis Omar Marteen, who brought up the same point (and to any movie buffs): There is some crime/suspense movie in which – and I’m spoiling it here because I have to – in which the suspect is a guy that is advertised as semi-retarded or really slow by his lawyer. He uses the phrase “I lost time” and that’s when apparently he went nuts, each time. It turns out he is bullshitting, as you find out at the end, when he picks up his rate of speech – no more semi-retardation or whatever it was supposed to be.

    Anyone know what movie I mean? It wasn’t a very popular one.

    Anyway, that could well be the case, Nick.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Haven't seen it but sounds like it could be Primal Fear from 1996 with Richard Gere and Ed Norton and other names i recognize. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primal_Fear_(film) )

    Though that also says it was fairly successful. $102m box office on $30m budget.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  170. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bardon Kaldian


    ...“Seven Brides,” a musical comedy in which seven backwoods frontiersmen kidnap seven women to be their wives.
     
    Pocahontas was already married when the English kidnapped her. Henry VIII had already solved that problem for them, though. No need for popish annulments.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Hmm.

    Call me cynical, but that young lady is no Cherokee.
    (Unless she’s a descendant of the lost tribe of white colonists at Roanoke from 1585.)

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  171. Say Their Names!!

    “All 10 Boulder Colorado Victims Were White. It’s Time to End Anti-White Race Hate.”

    https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/boulder-shooting-victims/

  172. @Dumbo

    ‘Yeah if these racist Islamophobic people would stop hacking my phone and let me have a normal life I probably could.’
     
    I see a good opportunity here for Amazon to create a separate AI virtual assistant for Muslims, "ALISSA".

    "Alissa, what is the best place to shoot infidels?"

    In Facebook posts over the last two years, he complained about not having a girlfriend,
     
    This seems to be a common theme among many of these shooters, and if the data that AE posted recently about young men in their 20s "not getting any" is true, then I think we will be seeing a lot more of that...

    Also, Facebook and social media in general appear to be making mental illnesses worse, or at least increase feelings of envy, anger and isolation among young people.

    Replies: @additionalMike, @S. Anonyia

    True on the sexual frustration angle.

    It’s important to note their lack of “getting any” is almost always because they are overweight and/or unkempt video game addicts with little material resources, yet they still expect to date attractive women. Even the ones with seriously personality issues could probably find a partner if they settled for their overweight, unkempt female counterparts.

    Maybe Hollywood could help by producing some movies where slobs find happiness with other slobs.

  173. @JohnnyWalker123
    How'd his family acquire a $800,000 house?

    Replies: @anthony aaron

    The Guardian (UK leftist rag) shows the house … and their business … a restaurant … with a sign in the window about wanting ca$h … the same thing you see in many immigrant communities in the US …

    R I L …

  174. @By-tor
    @Jonathan Mason


    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.
     

    Former felons have been prohibited by federal and all state laws from possessing rimfire and centerfire guns for 53 years. The questions on a Form 4473 pertaining to misdemeanors, mental illness, drug use and domestic violence are on the form. Non-resident and resident aliens are permitted to buy firearms provided they meet documentation requirements, and they must also fill out the same Form 4473 as a US citizen.

    https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

    Replies: @Chris Mallory

    Former felons have been prohibited by federal and all state laws from possessing rimfire and centerfire guns for 53 years.

    Some states even bar felons from using muzzle loading firearms and cap and ball revolvers. Kentucky which has rather good firearms laws, defines a firearm as “Firearm means any weapon which will expel a projectile by the action of an explosive.” So the felon might be safe from Federal charges with a cap and ball revolver, but would be subject to the state law barring felons from possessing firearms.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    @Chris Mallory

    True. Where I live, traditional muzzle loaders and cap and ball revolvers are permitted for prior felons to legally possess but not the modern in-line black powder rifles.

  175. Matty Yglesias wants people to know that he’s not some Open Borders weirdo……

    IMO there’d be nothing wrong with 42 million people from Latin America and the Caribbean moving here, but you’d want to do it in an organized way over a period of time not just like a mad dash for the border.

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1374812294245416962

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @syonredux

    Matty Yglesias


    Yeah, I would assume unless you are specifically doing racist hate crimes you are always better off with a more Black-heavy jury pool.
     
    MMM, but what if I'm doing anti-White racist hate crimes.....



    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1374811280305963013
    , @notsaying
    @syonredux

    We can only hope his opinion doesn't become any more popular. I know he wrote a book about how great it would be to have a billion people here. I don't know what his sales were or how many people he convinced.

    , @anon
    @syonredux

    Only 42,000,000? Matty's slacking off, it'll take 15 years to get to a billion Americans at that yearly rate.

  176. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Art Deco

    Justice is swift and sure in those countries and diversity isn't a thing either.

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I’m not a fan of Islamic culture in general but I do admire the way they handle criminals. They are superior to us in that regard.

  177. @syonredux
    Matty Yglesias wants people to know that he's not some Open Borders weirdo......

    IMO there’d be nothing wrong with 42 million people from Latin America and the Caribbean moving here, but you’d want to do it in an organized way over a period of time not just like a mad dash for the border.
     
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1374812294245416962

    Replies: @syonredux, @notsaying, @anon

    Matty Yglesias

    Yeah, I would assume unless you are specifically doing racist hate crimes you are always better off with a more Black-heavy jury pool.

    MMM, but what if I’m doing anti-White racist hate crimes…..

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1374811280305963013

  178. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Nicholas Stix

    This is also in reply to Je Suis Omar Marteen, who brought up the same point (and to any movie buffs): There is some crime/suspense movie in which - and I'm spoiling it here because I have to - in which the suspect is a guy that is advertised as semi-retarded or really slow by his lawyer. He uses the phrase "I lost time" and that's when apparently he went nuts, each time. It turns out he is bullshitting, as you find out at the end, when he picks up his rate of speech - no more semi-retardation or whatever it was supposed to be.

    Anyone know what movie I mean? It wasn't a very popular one.

    Anyway, that could well be the case, Nick.

    Replies: @vhrm

    Haven’t seen it but sounds like it could be Primal Fear from 1996 with Richard Gere and Ed Norton and other names i recognize. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primal_Fear_(film) )

    Though that also says it was fairly successful. $102m box office on $30m budget.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @vhrm

    That's it, Vhrm! Thank you very much. I didn't recognize or recall anything until I read "Ed Norton". Yep, I checked IMDB and Ed Norton is the guy I was remembering. I saw it on DVD, but had never heard of it before.

  179. @Shahid

    Perhaps all the hate directed at the Regular-American community by the mainstream media plays a role in encouraging them to lash out at Regular-Americans?
     
    'Regular-Americans' have been the prime participants and supporters of the wars in the Middle East over the past 2 decades that have killed, wounded, disfigured, displaced millions of people in the Middle East. The hate directed at the Middle East by the mainstream media has been much greater, and the crime and culpability of the lashing out at the Middle East has been much greater.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jay Fink

    No the mainstream media pushes the idea that Islam is the religion of peace. Their campaign has been pretty successful. I remember minutes after the Fort Hood shootings the initial reaction online was that it was highly unusual for a member of the military to kill fellow military members. Of the comments I read no one even suspected jihad at first.

  180. @syonredux
    Matty Yglesias wants people to know that he's not some Open Borders weirdo......

    IMO there’d be nothing wrong with 42 million people from Latin America and the Caribbean moving here, but you’d want to do it in an organized way over a period of time not just like a mad dash for the border.
     
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1374812294245416962

    Replies: @syonredux, @notsaying, @anon

    We can only hope his opinion doesn’t become any more popular. I know he wrote a book about how great it would be to have a billion people here. I don’t know what his sales were or how many people he convinced.

  181. @Jack D
    @notsaying


    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.
     
    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don't really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don't lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don't have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn't. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @notsaying, @AnotherDad

    We don’t have to identify all the ones who will go on to do something crazy.

    If we got most people who need it some help that would be an huge step forward for mental health care in America.

    But we should pay special attention to people with serious mental illness. We do not do that. We in essence deny the existence of serious mental illness by offering so few resources to deal with it.

    We need far more inpatient beds. We need to allow people to stay inpatient based on their illness, not our desire to save money.

  182. @James B. Shearer
    @notsaying

    "... so there’s money for doctors. .."

    The problem is that in many cases there is nothing much doctors can do for mentally ill people. Including making an reliable assessment of how dangerous they are.

    Replies: @anon, @notsaying

    Not everybody can be cured but I think it is worthwhile for everyone with mental health problems to be diagnosed and treated.

    Doing nothing for people with serious mental illness in America because we aren’t sure how much treatment will help is condemning people to an awful life.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @notsaying

    "Not everybody can be cured but I think it is worthwhile for everyone with mental health problems to be diagnosed and treated."

    Not if the diagnosis is wrong and the treatment does more harm than good.

    Replies: @notsaying

  183. School bullying is the norm, though I’ve never heard of bullies exchanging verbal blows:

    “You’re a bully!”
    “No, you are!”

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Abolish_public_education

    I like the idea of removing bullies from regular schools and putting them in separate all-bully schools. This would be a great relief for the victims and it would also be an interesting psychology experiment. How would bullies react to only having other bullies in the school and no natural victims?

    Replies: @vhrm, @oliver elkington

  184. @notsaying
    These people have an $800,000 house so there's money for doctors. Did they ever mention his strange and violent behavior to his doctor or otherwise try to get him help? Did they even try to talk to him about it? How about anybody at school or the criminal justice system when he got arrested for hitting a classmate? Was he talked to or evaluated by a professional then? If not, why not?

    People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won't talk about how they didn't have to happen.

    We can do better on identifying people with mental problems and getting them help. We can take action and save lives. Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Elli, @Jack D, @Captain Tripps, @Bill H, @James B. Shearer, @Buffalo Joe, @HA, @Alden, @Kylie

    “People will talk about his crimes and condemn him for them but they won’t talk about how they didn’t have to happen.”

    You mean controlled immigration. I’m with you on that. He and his family shouldn’t have been let into our country* in the first place.

    *just a figure of speech.

  185. @Alden
    @Supply and Demand

    We haven’t heard from the ESL teacher dependent on the Grand Vizier of Manchuria in a while. Or Godfree Roberts either.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    was enjoying the winter holiday out in the countryside!

  186. @prime noticer
    @Wilkey

    "That is probably part of why he chose a store in Boulder, despite living several miles away in Arvada. Boulder is the Whitopia of the Denver metro area. It is exactly where you would expect to go to find a store almost entirely full of white victims – and that is what he found."

    when i made that comment, Steve blocked my post.

    i'm on the ground in Colorado for the last 3 years, i probably know more than anybody here on the current events in the state. not more than Michelle Malkin, but more than even Ramzpaul, who is from here and went to Colorado State, but hasn't lived here in years. i was literally trapped in a communist protest in Fort Collins by accident last summer when they blocked the road.

    this guy deliberately chose to attack his biggest supporters AKA disarmed liberals who are totally supportive of him being a US citizen. if he had picked a different town, there's a high chance he would have been shot and killed after the first couple rounds he fired. lots of towns in Colorado are exactly like Texas. filled blue collar truck driving Trump voters who are carrying.

    his purported plan to attack a Trump rally sounds like total bullshit. he didn't do it because he knew he'd be killed in less than a minute. Boulder police allowed him to walk around and shoot people for an hour.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “Boulder police allowed him to walk around and shoot people for an hour.”

    Really? This reminds me of the mass murder at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, where cravenly cowardly cops cowered outside, while the killer continued slaughtering people.

    If talk of “defund the police” involved returning money to the taxpayer, and respecting his Second Amendment rights, I’d support it. However, the DTP movement is a movement of black Nazis who want to steal White taxpayers’ money, and use it to build slush funds for their own murderous gangs.

  187. This is one of the better cases that shows how just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you.

    He says people were watching him, but others couldn’t spot what he saw. He thinks the school was hacking his phone, calls his hackers racist Islamophobes, but then we learn

    The New York Times reported on Tuesday that he was known to the FBI because he was linked to another person who has been under investigation for something else. They didn’t give any more details.

    So much obfuscating passive voice in that quote, so much useless declaration. Someone linked him to someone doing something else someone else thought worth snooping, and that’s all we’ve got to tell ya.

    Yet. Investigations sprawl. Curiosity and power peal away skins from secrets. People learn how predictable the seemingly crazed can be. Now with Omnichannel communication tech, already learning every minute when to trigger people into becoming consumers, interested parties will nudge primed people along nonlinear directions. Reaching into their minds, redirecting them in ways a conscious observer won’t comprehend, towards spontaneous acts of outraged yet numb violence, leaving them confused and angry, hobbled, alone — then forgotten.

    A carefully aimed microwave stream to your head can help you to hear the snappy, crackling voice of God, saying whatever we program it to say. This was available in the 1970s. Before billboards tracked your movements and phone cams followed your eyes, before neighbors’ doorbells spied for cops and criminals hacked insulin pumps to ddos goreservers in France. Before SolarWinds blew open backdoors and let the snakes slither in among eggs. We will all have little voices inside us we won’t outrun, soon, before this cycle is through . . .

    Better to have some inside you already, so you’ll know when it’s ready and time.

  188. @Colin Wright
    'Do Arabs have higher rates of psychopathy compared to other races?'

    If they did, the such attacks would be more frequent in Arab countries than they are here.

    As far as I know, they're not.

    Replies: @Peter Frost

    “Psychopathy” is defined as having abnormal indifference to the suffering of others. Unfortunately, the term “abnormal” is relative. In many societies, people normally care only about the suffering of close kin and close friends (and of course their own personal suffering).

    The Milgram experiment has been replicated outside the United States. These replications, however, are almost wholly confined to subjects in European or European-descended countries. To date, only Shanab and Yahya (1978) have replicated the Milgram experiment with non-European subjects, these being 48 students at the University of Jordan in Amman. The Jordanian subjects resembled Milgram’s in being just as willing to inflict pain under orders (proportion = 62.5%). But they differed in being more willing to inflict pain on their own initiative. When allowed to choose the shock levels, 12.5% of the Jordanians delivered shocks right up to the top end of the scale.

    One in eight Jordanians is a sadist? And these were university students, presumably the cream of Jordanian society. How would the experiment have turned out if done with Bedouins, for instance, or some other group where the State has only recently monopolized the use of violence?

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/08/milgram-experiment-cross-cultural.html

    As Colin Wright points out, this indifference does not lead to high levels of interpersonal violence in most Arab societies. How come? Well, there’s normally a “balance of terror” in those societies. An act of violence will invite retaliation from the victim’s kinsmen. So a man will think long and hard before acting on his impulses. In the West, however, we have an “imbalance of terror.” Violence doesn’t lead to retaliation. There is no eye for an eye.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Peter Frost

    '...As Colin Wright points out, this indifference does not lead to high levels of interpersonal violence in most Arab societies. How come? Well, there’s normally a “balance of terror” in those societies. An act of violence will invite retaliation from the victim’s kinsmen. So a man will think long and hard before acting on his impulses...'

    If that theory had any validity at all, then black housing projects would have very low levels of violence. On the other hand, obviously lacking any 'kinsmen' to protect us, my wife and I would have been taking our lives in our hands when we wandered around Turkey and Morocco.

    Replies: @Peter Frost

  189. @vhrm
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Haven't seen it but sounds like it could be Primal Fear from 1996 with Richard Gere and Ed Norton and other names i recognize. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primal_Fear_(film) )

    Though that also says it was fairly successful. $102m box office on $30m budget.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s it, Vhrm! Thank you very much. I didn’t recognize or recall anything until I read “Ed Norton”. Yep, I checked IMDB and Ed Norton is the guy I was remembering. I saw it on DVD, but had never heard of it before.

  190. @Known Fact
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Right, if only he had played more Hacky Sack as a kid. Or had an acoustic guitar to mellow out with and play Sloop John B for the ladies.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    No, not hacky sack. That’s the worst idea yet. All the guys that do that are on “the pot”. It’s a gateway drug to terrorism. If he’d have been able to play Sloop John B like Dwight Yoakam, yeah, I think he’d have turned out OK:

  191. @syonredux
    Matty Yglesias wants people to know that he's not some Open Borders weirdo......

    IMO there’d be nothing wrong with 42 million people from Latin America and the Caribbean moving here, but you’d want to do it in an organized way over a period of time not just like a mad dash for the border.
     
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1374812294245416962

    Replies: @syonredux, @notsaying, @anon

    Only 42,000,000? Matty’s slacking off, it’ll take 15 years to get to a billion Americans at that yearly rate.

  192. @Diversity Heretic
    I wonder why he went to Boulder to commit his atrocity. I don't know about Colorado concealed weapons laws, but Boulder is probably the place in Colorado least likely to have an armed civilian present to cut short his spree. As for stripping off his clothes, that might also be to show that he had no explosives on his body, the suspected presence of which might have given the responding police a reason to shoot him dead on the spot.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri

    Stripping off the clothes to show he was not wearing an explosive device shows he did some Internet research on how to avoid being shot by police after a shooting.

  193. @Almost Missouri
    @Redneck farmer

    Yes, that's the ticket! Then we go franchise:

    FBI San Bernardino: FBI knows in advance of Tashfeen Malik terrorist attack, does nothing.

    FBI Orlando: FBI tipped off by the local sheriff to Pulse Nightclub shooter Omar Mateen, does nothing.

    FBI Boston: FBI tipped off by Russians in advance of the Tsarnaev brothers Boston Marathon bombing, does nothing.

    FBI Parkland: FBI knows in advance of school shooter Nikolas Cruz, does nothing.

    FBI Fort Hood: FBI knows Nidal Hasan in advance of his shooting rampage, does nothing.

    FBI Garland, Texas: Undercover FBI agent encourages and accompanies Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi on their AK-47 assault on local Mohammed Cartoon Drawing contest, then weasels out of the ensuing lawsuit.

    Then we have the FBI All-Star Justice League Team Up: FBI deploys dozens of agents STAT! to Alabama when word reaches them of a racist garage door pull at the local speedway. In next season's sequel, the FBI All Star Justice League Team Up will descend on Los Anglees to recover Lady Gaga's dogs after they are abducted by dastardly dognappers who may also be racist or sexist.

    The FBI needs these kind of positive public relation exercises so the ungrateful public will love them again after the reputational collapse the FBI has unjustly suffered.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    And for the teaser finale for season two:

    Washington DC sniper John Allen Muhammad boasts of being a CIA asset more than one year before the 2002 beltway shooting! (Which, although reported by the Associated Press, was then immediately memory-holed by the prestige press!)

    https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/sniperboast.html

  194. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWlsc0FV9M

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    Hmm.

    Call me cynical, but that young lady is no Cherokee.
    (Unless she’s a descendant of the lost tribe of white colonists at Roanoke from 1585.)

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Paul Jolliffe

    How do you dare to question her heritage and culture!

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/IooAAOSwwppeLzfl/s-l300.png

  195. @Neoconned
    There's obviously a mental health angle here but that begs the question.....why is this dude here instead of in a mental hospital in Syria??

    That being said the FBI "knowing of him" stinks to high heaven & i presume could be a similar scenario to the Marathon Bombers....

    I'm getting the feeling this is also similar to the Ft. Hood shootings.....that guy.....Hasan or whatever would often threaten people who criticized his Moslem faith and so forth. A case of mental illness meets Islamic Disgruntledism....

    And an 800k house????? The hell does his family do for a living.....i know ppl here where i live working litetal 100 hr weeks doing 3 jobs living in 40 yr old half decrepit 120k homes....

    Replies: @Alden

    Dad probably owns a money laundering tax evading slave illegal immigrant labor crooked business. Maybe a gas station with rigged pumps to charge about 3/4 of a gallon more than is pumped into the car.

    Maybe a dry cleaner that doesn’t clean, but just irons the clothes. Maybe a food market store that runs the food stamp card through swiper for a $100.00 purchase gives the welfare recipient $50.00 and pockets $50.00. All the soap toiletries detergent etc is purchased from a professional shoplifting ring Maybe rents a small store front, buys those huge copy machines for a small down payment then sells the machines for $150,000 cash, disappears and rents another store front under another name.
    Small clothing store whose entire stock fell of a truck. Rigged credit card swiped sells the names and numbers to other criminals.

    A thousand and one reasons I’m not a cuck conservative. Immigrant business owners are all corrupt crooks, except for Hispanics. But heartland cuck conservative Econ 101 idiots love, love love crooked immigrant business people.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Alden

    I’d love to know how many food stamp dollars end up in those blue barrels that shopkeepers ship to the Dominican for 75.00. People fill them up with formula and diapers and in effect become their own export business. It’s a big business in NYC.
    We are the biggest patsies in the world.
    Mr. Unz should give you your own column here.
    Thank you.

    Replies: @Alden, @Truth

  196. Ok, he’s a hotheaded young minority man, with severe TDS.

    What’s our establishment’s excuse?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @AnotherDad

    "Ok, he’s a hotheaded young minority man, with severe TDS.

    What’s our establishment’s excuse?"

    They hate us as much or more than he does. And for about the same reasons. I was wondering the other day if the our white progressive matriarchy isn't roughly comparable to their ME Islamic patriarchy.

  197. I’m not sure where Season Two goes, but I’ll think of something.

    He is pardoned by President Omar on condition he undergoes de-radicalisation therapy in Saudi Arabia.

  198. @Chris Mallory
    @By-tor


    Former felons have been prohibited by federal and all state laws from possessing rimfire and centerfire guns for 53 years.
     
    Some states even bar felons from using muzzle loading firearms and cap and ball revolvers. Kentucky which has rather good firearms laws, defines a firearm as “Firearm means any weapon which will expel a projectile by the action of an explosive." So the felon might be safe from Federal charges with a cap and ball revolver, but would be subject to the state law barring felons from possessing firearms.

    Replies: @By-tor

    True. Where I live, traditional muzzle loaders and cap and ball revolvers are permitted for prior felons to legally possess but not the modern in-line black powder rifles.

  199. Turns out Soopers isn’t actually a kosher only store.

    It’s the local chain that sells a lot of kosher food including fresh meat and all the religious holiday foods. And it’s in a neighborhood well known as the most Jewish section of Boulder

    So, now we know why he drive 30 miles to his target.

    ADL AJC SPLC heads will explode. One of their beloved victims of evil redneck WASPS groups, wealthy Muslim Arabs currently residing in America shot up a Jewish store in a Jewish neighborhood.

    What day was the shooting? If it was Thursday or Friday before 4/pm it would be full of Jewish women shopping for Shabbat dinner.

    I guess all the walls security and barbed wire around Jewish community centers and Temples have forced shooters to redirect fire at Jewish neighborhood stores.

  200. His brother confirmed he was the shooter in an interview with The Daily Beast on Tuesday, saying he was ‘paranoid’ and ‘very antisocial’.

    He insisted that the shooting was not politically-motivated and said:'[It was] not at all a political statement, it’s mental illness.

    When a mentally ill “regular guy” selects Muslims for murder, it is treated as political terrorism. The same must be true if a mentally ill Muslim selects infidels as his target.

    When a killer has the presence of mind to select members of a particular group as his targets, rather than random people who have the misfortune to cross his path, then there is a degree of planning that indicates responsibility.

    • Replies: @anon
    @James N. Kennett

    maybe he just selected a large place of gathering that was easily accessible
    and the population mix was typical of that area.

    Replies: @Alden

  201. @Tiny Duck
    @anonymous

    Not higher than white males who commit most of the muder

    If white men don't suck then why does EVERYONE aside from white males keep saying they do?

    This tragedy was caused by white supremacy in the form of racism and islamophobia and it says SO MUCH about you people that you are trying to obfuscate the issue of gun violence and the need for reform as well white male entitlement.

    Replies: @black sea, @Colin Wright

    I miss the old Tiny Duck who would open himself to us, sharing the details of his homosexual relationship with his long-time partner, his pastoral work of encouraging white girls to bed Men of Color (somewhere in there, he supposedly taught some sort of subject), his unutterable shame at being a “white male,” only partially redeemed by his aforementioned sexual orientation. His inevitable injunction to “READ LEONARD PITTS,” his nearly indecipherable string of misspellings and missing words, his “THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHİNG RİGHT THERE” debate-clinchers.

    Now all we get is recycled boilerplate. Ducks ain’t what they used to be.

  202. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Well, I think there is something wrong with the forensic psychiatry and judicial system in most of the United States.

    You say that this guy had no serious criminal record, but he had attacked and badly beaten somebody in school sufficient that the police and courts were involved.

    You would therefore assume that some kind of psychological evaluation must have been carried out by the court, but the problem is that such documents are regarded as confidential and never seen by the public.

    It would be reasonable for anybody who wants to obtain a gun to have to submit State and FBI background check results, and to sign an affidavit saying that they have never been convicted of any crime of violence.

    Anybody who has been convicted of a crime of violence should be required to submit to a psychological evaluation at their own expense, or to submit a certified psychological evaluation that had previously been ordered by a court.

    After all, if I had several convictions for drunken driving and my license was suspended, how easy would it be for me to just go to another state and take out a new driver's license? Wouldn't there be some kind of background check done?

    I am also reminded about the law on casino gambling in Britain 50 years ago, which is probably still the same now, that made it legal for any adult to enter a casino as long as they were registered as a member.

    Membership was freely granted on application, but you had to wait 24 hours from application to being given a membership card, which was a deterrent from people impulsively gambling or gambling when drunk. (Incidentally alcoholic drinks were not allowed in casinos and casinos were not allowed to advertise or lure people in.)

    The idea behind this legislation was to allow the existing demand for casino gambling to be legally met, but to do nothing to expand or promote it.

    The supreme Court has actually already blown a hole in the second amendment by ruling that convicted felons are not allowed to buy guns. Part of the result of this is that many convicted felons are currently serving long prison sentences for illegal possession of guns post conviction.

    However the second amendment does not say anything about convicted felons, so the Supreme Court was legislating from the bench, which is supposed to be a BAD THING as all they are supposed to do is to provide an interpretation of what they think the authors of the Constitution were thinking back in the 18th century, without any consideration of contemporary conditions or the consequences of their rulings.

    This is an unusual case of the Supreme Court actually getting something right by application of common sense! Well done, Supremes!

    If convicted felons cannot legally buy guns, why should the same prohibition not be extended to people who have a history of violence or mental illness, or of posting violent threats on Facebook, or people under the age of 21?

    We need the Supreme Court to rule on what the authors of the Constitution thought about Facebook, and whether the Founders believed that there was a cyberspace equivalent to shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @By-tor, @Crawfurdmuir, @Reg Cæsar, @Paul Mendez, @Alden

    You expect criminals to sign an affidavit they have never been convicted of a crime and are not mentally ill? LOL

    Many states have a waiting period , 3-5 days. The gun shop dealer or licensed dealer who has a booth at the swap meet just enters the buyers information into a national crime data base and if the prospective buyer has a criminal conviction he can’t but the gun when he returns.

    Dealers often refuse to sell to Black women because it’s well known that since so many black men are criminals who can’t buy guns, dealers assume any black woman might be buying it for a criminal man.

    Most guns used by black criminals are bought privately. Many are stolen either from army bases, shops or private homes and shops during burglaries. Many guns never used in crimes are bought privately inherited given as gifts whatever

    Read any gun control proposal. You will find it’s already a law. And legally, it’s not possible to deny any person never convicted, not just charged with a felony to buy a gun in the million to 1 chance he might go to a supermarket and shoot ten strangers .

    As for the attack in a fellow student, he was a minor and no matter what he did the record of a minor would be concealed and not on any law enforcement database. If he was charged it was probably a misdemeanor A&B.

    You don’t live in America do you?

  203. @Tiny Duck
    @anonymous

    Not higher than white males who commit most of the muder

    If white men don't suck then why does EVERYONE aside from white males keep saying they do?

    This tragedy was caused by white supremacy in the form of racism and islamophobia and it says SO MUCH about you people that you are trying to obfuscate the issue of gun violence and the need for reform as well white male entitlement.

    Replies: @black sea, @Colin Wright

    ‘…If white men don’t suck then why does EVERYONE aside from white males keep saying they do?’

    Jealousy?

    As we demonstrated on January 6th, any time we want it all back, we can just take it. All we have to do is reach out. WE BARELY EVEN NEED TO TRY.

  204. @ThreeCranes
    "sound like he was on angel dust"

    Most drugs, if used continuously, will render the user paranoid.

    Half of all Democrat voters are such because they identify Republicans with law enforcement and just want to be left alone to do their drug of choice in peace. That's why they move to states or cities with lax drug enforcement and this accounts for the explosion of homeless people in tolerant, so-called liberal cities. The results speak for themselves. Small businesses fail because customers don't want to run the gauntlet of dirty, mangy, scary, drooling addicts beshitting themselves on the sidewalks. Tourists stay home in droves, solid citizens head for the suburbs, tax revenues fall and it becomes of paramount importance for the Democratic Party to win the national election for president so that they can control the spigot of federal funds to direct loot to the failing cities that house their loyal constituents. Anything goes to gain this end, as we have just witnessed.

    Almost any drug, if used to excess, will engender paranoia or anti-social behavior. What happens is that a person's better self realizes that the integrity of the whole (what Jung called the Self) is being violated by ingestion of a poison. The poison is preventing the individual from coming to grips with the world as it is and is therefore inhibiting spiritual, emotional, professional and interpersonal growth. The Self tries to call the ego back to reality by sending dream messages and such, but the individual ignores them or tries to cancel them with yet more drug induced euphoria. A vicious spiral is set up that results in the subject's death or disablement.

    As I say, half of all Democrats suffer from this disorder. This is why they deny that there is a world out there that exists independently of their perception and that there is a Truthful way of representing that world. To admit that there is such would be to acknowledge the Truth of the voice within them which is calling them back to their true selves, their wholesome Wholes. Almost every long-term pot smoker whom I know is a cripple.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Jay Fink

    Almost every long-term pot smoker whom I know is a cripple

    I know a couple of people who were long-term pot smokers both of whom had the self-possession to realise what it was doing to them and stopped. I think they both miss it but know they can’t go back to it. I just wish more people could be like that.

    One of them said to me years ago – “You could smoke dope, you’re well adjusted.” Well yeah, thanks, and that’s why I’m not going to take it up as a pastime.

  205. @By-tor
    @Lurker

    The same crime networks that run drugs into the white suburbs also have access to stolen i-phones and electronics, stolen cars, stolen prescription drugs, shoplifted clothing and stolen guns. Black neighborhood theft gangs sell stolen and straw-purchased guns 365 days a year to former felons. How else do you think 14-year-old Qua'trense and 17-year-old and Dre'barius get their hands on a $500 Glock 19 or a $700 PSA AK pistol to commit carjackings near and within upscale neighborhoods and shopping districts? Just ask any policeman or sheriff's deputy.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Thanks.

    To me, the precision of the statement: “He bought a Ruger AR- 556 pistol exactly a week ago on March 16, 2021.” implied a legit, legal purchase. That doesn’t mean that it was of course, as per your comment.

  206. @notsaying
    @James B. Shearer

    Not everybody can be cured but I think it is worthwhile for everyone with mental health problems to be diagnosed and treated.

    Doing nothing for people with serious mental illness in America because we aren't sure how much treatment will help is condemning people to an awful life.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “Not everybody can be cured but I think it is worthwhile for everyone with mental health problems to be diagnosed and treated.”

    Not if the diagnosis is wrong and the treatment does more harm than good.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @James B. Shearer

    Well but you don't know that in advance. Each case is different.

    If you believe that the many people who feel they have been helped by talk therapy or drugs are lying, then nothing anybody says is going to convince you otherwise.

  207. @Peter Frost
    @Colin Wright

    "Psychopathy" is defined as having abnormal indifference to the suffering of others. Unfortunately, the term "abnormal" is relative. In many societies, people normally care only about the suffering of close kin and close friends (and of course their own personal suffering).


    The Milgram experiment has been replicated outside the United States. These replications, however, are almost wholly confined to subjects in European or European-descended countries. To date, only Shanab and Yahya (1978) have replicated the Milgram experiment with non-European subjects, these being 48 students at the University of Jordan in Amman. The Jordanian subjects resembled Milgram’s in being just as willing to inflict pain under orders (proportion = 62.5%). But they differed in being more willing to inflict pain on their own initiative. When allowed to choose the shock levels, 12.5% of the Jordanians delivered shocks right up to the top end of the scale.

    One in eight Jordanians is a sadist? And these were university students, presumably the cream of Jordanian society. How would the experiment have turned out if done with Bedouins, for instance, or some other group where the State has only recently monopolized the use of violence?
     

    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009/08/milgram-experiment-cross-cultural.html

    As Colin Wright points out, this indifference does not lead to high levels of interpersonal violence in most Arab societies. How come? Well, there's normally a "balance of terror" in those societies. An act of violence will invite retaliation from the victim's kinsmen. So a man will think long and hard before acting on his impulses. In the West, however, we have an "imbalance of terror." Violence doesn't lead to retaliation. There is no eye for an eye.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…As Colin Wright points out, this indifference does not lead to high levels of interpersonal violence in most Arab societies. How come? Well, there’s normally a “balance of terror” in those societies. An act of violence will invite retaliation from the victim’s kinsmen. So a man will think long and hard before acting on his impulses…’

    If that theory had any validity at all, then black housing projects would have very low levels of violence. On the other hand, obviously lacking any ‘kinsmen’ to protect us, my wife and I would have been taking our lives in our hands when we wandered around Turkey and Morocco.

    • Replies: @Peter Frost
    @Colin Wright

    If that theory had any validity at all, then black housing projects would have very low levels of violence.

    Vendettas sometimes occur in African American communities, but not to the same extent as in the patriarchal societies of North Africa and the Middle East. This is partly because many African American families are matriarchal (there is no male head of the household) and partly because other male adults have weak or problematic relationships with their families. This is a general characteristic of atomized Western societies.

    obviously lacking any ‘kinsmen’ to protect us, my wife and I would have been taking our lives in our hands when we wandered around Turkey and Morocco.

    If you're staying with local people, you will enjoy the protection of your hosts. If you're just wandering around by yourselves, you are indeed "taking your lives in your hands" unless you take certain precautions:

    - respect the local culture
    - be modest in your dress
    - avoid saying and doing things that could be misinterpreted
    - don't give the impression you have piles of money on you

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

  208. @Abolish_public_education
    School bullying is the norm, though I’ve never heard of bullies exchanging verbal blows:

    “You’re a bully!”
    “No, you are!”

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    I like the idea of removing bullies from regular schools and putting them in separate all-bully schools. This would be a great relief for the victims and it would also be an interesting psychology experiment. How would bullies react to only having other bullies in the school and no natural victims?

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Jay Fink


    I like the idea of removing bullies from regular schools and putting them in separate all-bully schools. This would be a great relief for the victims and it would also be an interesting psychology experiment. How would bullies react to only having other bullies in the school and no natural victims?
     
    At least in many areas in the US traditional bullying in school is way down. I think it started after Columbine, and while i have serious dislike for the excesses of "zero tolerance" measures that equate all sorts of normal things (like mild insults or pointing a finger at someone) to "violence", the actual reduction in bullying is one good thing that's come out of it.

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/is-bullying-decreasing

    Of course the rather perverse other side of this is the "snowflakes" and "safe-spaces" and hypersensitivity to any perceived, imagined, or imaginable slight which is significantly implicated in our current SJW BLM insanity. As it sometimes (often? always?) happens w/ social movements the pendulum has swung so far that the cure is worse than the disease.
    , @oliver elkington
    @Jay Fink

    Wouldn't that basically be Bullworth Academy?

    https://bully.fandom.com/wiki/Bullworth_Academy

  209. @AnotherDad
    Ok, he's a hotheaded young minority man, with severe TDS.

    What's our establishment's excuse?

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Ok, he’s a hotheaded young minority man, with severe TDS.

    What’s our establishment’s excuse?”

    They hate us as much or more than he does. And for about the same reasons. I was wondering the other day if the our white progressive matriarchy isn’t roughly comparable to their ME Islamic patriarchy.

  210. @ThreeCranes
    "sound like he was on angel dust"

    Most drugs, if used continuously, will render the user paranoid.

    Half of all Democrat voters are such because they identify Republicans with law enforcement and just want to be left alone to do their drug of choice in peace. That's why they move to states or cities with lax drug enforcement and this accounts for the explosion of homeless people in tolerant, so-called liberal cities. The results speak for themselves. Small businesses fail because customers don't want to run the gauntlet of dirty, mangy, scary, drooling addicts beshitting themselves on the sidewalks. Tourists stay home in droves, solid citizens head for the suburbs, tax revenues fall and it becomes of paramount importance for the Democratic Party to win the national election for president so that they can control the spigot of federal funds to direct loot to the failing cities that house their loyal constituents. Anything goes to gain this end, as we have just witnessed.

    Almost any drug, if used to excess, will engender paranoia or anti-social behavior. What happens is that a person's better self realizes that the integrity of the whole (what Jung called the Self) is being violated by ingestion of a poison. The poison is preventing the individual from coming to grips with the world as it is and is therefore inhibiting spiritual, emotional, professional and interpersonal growth. The Self tries to call the ego back to reality by sending dream messages and such, but the individual ignores them or tries to cancel them with yet more drug induced euphoria. A vicious spiral is set up that results in the subject's death or disablement.

    As I say, half of all Democrats suffer from this disorder. This is why they deny that there is a world out there that exists independently of their perception and that there is a Truthful way of representing that world. To admit that there is such would be to acknowledge the Truth of the voice within them which is calling them back to their true selves, their wholesome Wholes. Almost every long-term pot smoker whom I know is a cripple.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Jay Fink

    The long-term daily pot smokers I know are all in bad shape. They are filled with paranoid delusions. One of them is in his 50s and moved back home with mom and dad because he can no longer function. Another one went from being ambitious and hard working to staying home and collecting Social Security disability (which she buys weed with). Yet society has normalized pot use, encouraging its use like it’s a health supplement. Most people have a high opinion of it. The question is are the forces that are promoting it’s use naive or are they well aware of the dangers and still want people to use it?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jay Fink

    We've legalized modern high potency marijuana. Are we creating more paranoid criminals?

  211. @Jay Fink
    @ThreeCranes

    The long-term daily pot smokers I know are all in bad shape. They are filled with paranoid delusions. One of them is in his 50s and moved back home with mom and dad because he can no longer function. Another one went from being ambitious and hard working to staying home and collecting Social Security disability (which she buys weed with). Yet society has normalized pot use, encouraging its use like it's a health supplement. Most people have a high opinion of it. The question is are the forces that are promoting it's use naive or are they well aware of the dangers and still want people to use it?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    We’ve legalized modern high potency marijuana. Are we creating more paranoid criminals?

  212. @James B. Shearer
    @notsaying

    "Not everybody can be cured but I think it is worthwhile for everyone with mental health problems to be diagnosed and treated."

    Not if the diagnosis is wrong and the treatment does more harm than good.

    Replies: @notsaying

    Well but you don’t know that in advance. Each case is different.

    If you believe that the many people who feel they have been helped by talk therapy or drugs are lying, then nothing anybody says is going to convince you otherwise.

  213. @Paul Jolliffe
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Hmm.

    Call me cynical, but that young lady is no Cherokee.
    (Unless she’s a descendant of the lost tribe of white colonists at Roanoke from 1585.)

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    How do you dare to question her heritage and culture!

    • LOL: Alden
  214. @Diversity Heretic
    I wonder why he went to Boulder to commit his atrocity. I don't know about Colorado concealed weapons laws, but Boulder is probably the place in Colorado least likely to have an armed civilian present to cut short his spree. As for stripping off his clothes, that might also be to show that he had no explosives on his body, the suspected presence of which might have given the responding police a reason to shoot him dead on the spot.

    Replies: @Alden, @Almost Missouri

    As for stripping off his clothes, that might also be to show that he had no explosives on his body, the suspected presence of which might have given the responding police a reason to shoot him dead on the spot.

    Agree. Is there a source saying this guy went on his shooting spree half naked? If not, I would attribute his nakedness to law enforcement. I think it is a thing with LE in western states that it is safer to bring in this type of perp by having him strip down. I would guess it was part of the terms of surrender they imposed on him.

  215. @Jack D
    @notsaying


    Just putting this guy away will not solve the problem.
     
    Obviously that is closing the barn door after the horse is gone, but figuring out which horses are likely to bolt is not an easy question. In retrospect, Al Issa displayed certain warning signs but there are a lot of guys who display very similar warning signs and who never graduate to mass shootings. Not allowing guys like this to buy guns would be good but we don't really have a mechanism to conduct a full psychological profile on each potential gun buyer and even if we did, determined killers will find a way to access weapons illegally or, as in the UK, they will stab people instead of shoot them or make bombs or whatever. Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don't lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions). We don't have the resources to follow each guy like Al Issa around 24 hrs/day waiting for him to act out. Even his family, who knew he was sorta nuts, did not expect him to do this. Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn't. Mass killings have been an issue in the West for a long time. The Bath School massacre happened almost a century ago and nothing has really changed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Nicholas Stix, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @notsaying, @AnotherDad

    Some here might say that we could start by not letting in immigrants or Muslims but the Atlanta shooter was an old stock white Christian. If there was an easy solution to this problem we would have done it already but there isn’t.

    Oh please. Give the immigrationism a rest.

    Sane, mature responsible people–who actually care about their nation–don’t just look for some utopian”a solution”, to social problems, they look for things that improve–rather than screw up–society.

    Even after you toss out all the routine blacks-shooting-blacks stuff, over half of what’s left is still “diversity makes us more trigger happy”. The proportion that are flat out immigrants or nursing some sort of basically immigration/diversity related issue–not fitting in, not getting white girls, people looking at them funny, fixation on some overseas grievance–is large.

    My fellow white people aren’t the most bolted down folks in the world, but absent “diversity” the joint gets a lot more sane. Not adding even less bolted down foreigners to the mix is the easiest–most obvious and sensible–improvement imaginable.

    If we could deport everyone all excited and emotionally invested in some foreign mess–Israel/Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Cyprus, the Balkans, Northern Ireland, Kurdistan, Armenia, Kashmir, Punjab, Burma, Uighurs, Tibet, Taiwan … including anything and everything in Africa … that would be a huge upgrade to the comity and sanity of our nation as well.

    Rein in the minoritarian insanity and everything gets better. And then we can start improving–eugenics, executing or expelling crims, locking up loons, return to patriarchy

    This obsessive Jewish immigrationism–immigration now and forever without end–is just a sociopathic nightmare. An offense against reason, logic, mathematics, morality–against basic human nature, against humanity.

  216. @Colin Wright
    @Peter Frost

    '...As Colin Wright points out, this indifference does not lead to high levels of interpersonal violence in most Arab societies. How come? Well, there’s normally a “balance of terror” in those societies. An act of violence will invite retaliation from the victim’s kinsmen. So a man will think long and hard before acting on his impulses...'

    If that theory had any validity at all, then black housing projects would have very low levels of violence. On the other hand, obviously lacking any 'kinsmen' to protect us, my wife and I would have been taking our lives in our hands when we wandered around Turkey and Morocco.

    Replies: @Peter Frost

    If that theory had any validity at all, then black housing projects would have very low levels of violence.

    Vendettas sometimes occur in African American communities, but not to the same extent as in the patriarchal societies of North Africa and the Middle East. This is partly because many African American families are matriarchal (there is no male head of the household) and partly because other male adults have weak or problematic relationships with their families. This is a general characteristic of atomized Western societies.

    obviously lacking any ‘kinsmen’ to protect us, my wife and I would have been taking our lives in our hands when we wandered around Turkey and Morocco.

    If you’re staying with local people, you will enjoy the protection of your hosts. If you’re just wandering around by yourselves, you are indeed “taking your lives in your hands” unless you take certain precautions:

    – respect the local culture
    – be modest in your dress
    – avoid saying and doing things that could be misinterpreted
    – don’t give the impression you have piles of money on you

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Peter Frost

    '...avoid saying and doing things that could be misinterpreted...'

    That sounds like the time I thought the ablution facility for prayers in Morocco was a somewhat strangely equipped urinal.

    ...the Moroccan who noticed was very nice about it.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Peter Frost

    '...If you’re staying with local people, you will enjoy the protection of your hosts. If you’re just wandering around by yourselves, you are indeed “taking your lives in your hands” unless you take certain precautions...'

    That hasn't been my experience at all.

    Lessee...I've been in twenty five - thirty countries, all told, five of them Muslim.

    Of those, I've had perilous encounters in the US, of course -- but given the fact that I've spent the overwhelming majority of my time here, that's hardly surprising. Outside of that, the only times I've actually been aware of being in danger was once in Guatemala -- not Muslim -- and twice confronted by white loonies -- once in Germany and once in England -- also not Muslim. I was seriously defrauded in India -- possibly but probably not by a Muslim. At any rate, India certainly isn't a Muslim country.

    I did have a border guard in Pakistan seriously try to get me to 'purchase a visa' that I knew I didn't have to have. Eventually he gave up. When I was in Iran immediately prior to the revolution, I took the precaution of saying I was Canadian (wink-wink nudge nudge). Does that count?

    What have your experiences been?

  217. @Polistra
    @notsaying


    Only those who come to the UK through legitimate routes – via official Government refugee schemes from war zones or to escape persecution
     
    Lawzy, we can drive a truck through that last bit, because lemme tell you my peoples been persecuted jes 'bout everywheres!

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    A Truck of Peace, no doubt. It’s become traditional in Europe/UK, now that Christmas is on the verge of abolition.

  218. @Danindc
    This ultimate piece of shit. Handsome enough kid, wrestled, had friends. Ethnic grievance, psychotically anti white mainstream media and a touch of craziness is the reasons for this slaughter.

    Then his family in their 800k house knows all the “right” things to say. They got the playbook. Bullied muslim etc. it’s so insulting we live in such a pussified country. Piece of shit. Deport them all.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    Americans used to know exactly how to deter these cretins. Towards the end of the Philippine Insurgency (partly caused by the Islamists’ determination to continue their local practice of slavery).

    However, this period also demonstrated the success of new aggressive American tactics. According to Rear Admiral D.P. Mannix, who fought the Moros as a young lieutenant from 1907–1908, the Americans exploited Muslim taboos by wrapping dead Moros in pig’s skin and “stuffing [their] mouth[s] with pork”, thereby deterring the Moros from continuing with their suicide attacks.

    “.. juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice the army had already adopted, one that the Mohammadans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins.” – J J “Black Jack” Pershing

    What happened to you?

  219. @James N. Kennett

    His brother confirmed he was the shooter in an interview with The Daily Beast on Tuesday, saying he was ‘paranoid’ and ‘very antisocial’.

    He insisted that the shooting was not politically-motivated and said:'[It was] not at all a political statement, it’s mental illness.
     
    When a mentally ill "regular guy" selects Muslims for murder, it is treated as political terrorism. The same must be true if a mentally ill Muslim selects infidels as his target.

    When a killer has the presence of mind to select members of a particular group as his targets, rather than random people who have the misfortune to cross his path, then there is a degree of planning that indicates responsibility.

    Replies: @anon

    maybe he just selected a large place of gathering that was easily accessible
    and the population mix was typical of that area.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anon

    He drive 30 miles to a Jewish neighborhood to a supermarket known for kosher food. Plenty of goyim neighborhoods and food markets that don’t advertise kosher food in Arvada Boulder and all the towns around.

  220. @Alden
    @Neoconned

    Dad probably owns a money laundering tax evading slave illegal immigrant labor crooked business. Maybe a gas station with rigged pumps to charge about 3/4 of a gallon more than is pumped into the car.

    Maybe a dry cleaner that doesn’t clean, but just irons the clothes. Maybe a food market store that runs the food stamp card through swiper for a $100.00 purchase gives the welfare recipient $50.00 and pockets $50.00. All the soap toiletries detergent etc is purchased from a professional shoplifting ring Maybe rents a small store front, buys those huge copy machines for a small down payment then sells the machines for $150,000 cash, disappears and rents another store front under another name.
    Small clothing store whose entire stock fell of a truck. Rigged credit card swiped sells the names and numbers to other criminals.

    A thousand and one reasons I’m not a cuck conservative. Immigrant business owners are all corrupt crooks, except for Hispanics. But heartland cuck conservative Econ 101 idiots love, love love crooked immigrant business people.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I’d love to know how many food stamp dollars end up in those blue barrels that shopkeepers ship to the Dominican for 75.00. People fill them up with formula and diapers and in effect become their own export business. It’s a big business in NYC.
    We are the biggest patsies in the world.
    Mr. Unz should give you your own column here.
    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @JMcG

    Then there’s the fact that Mexican immigrants on welfare and less than minimum wage send more USDs to Mexico than all the goods and services including oil and tourism Mexico exports to the rest of the world.
    You do know about the Persian Armenian Russian and Israeli auto repair shops don’t you?

    Smart S Californians find a Mexican run shop. I always go to the German car shop run by honest Mexicans in Culver City.

    I think the best thing for my grandchildren to survive is to marry into a Catholic Zoroastrian Chaldean or Jewish Armenian or Persian criminal mafia clan They’d lose the eyes hair and beauty. But still be White and survive in the new America a version of Mongolia 5,000BC clan warfare.

    , @Truth
    @JMcG

    LOL, I'm not sure the Men of Unz are ready for that one, Old Sport.

  221. @Peter Frost
    @Colin Wright

    If that theory had any validity at all, then black housing projects would have very low levels of violence.

    Vendettas sometimes occur in African American communities, but not to the same extent as in the patriarchal societies of North Africa and the Middle East. This is partly because many African American families are matriarchal (there is no male head of the household) and partly because other male adults have weak or problematic relationships with their families. This is a general characteristic of atomized Western societies.

    obviously lacking any ‘kinsmen’ to protect us, my wife and I would have been taking our lives in our hands when we wandered around Turkey and Morocco.

    If you're staying with local people, you will enjoy the protection of your hosts. If you're just wandering around by yourselves, you are indeed "taking your lives in your hands" unless you take certain precautions:

    - respect the local culture
    - be modest in your dress
    - avoid saying and doing things that could be misinterpreted
    - don't give the impression you have piles of money on you

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    ‘…avoid saying and doing things that could be misinterpreted…’

    That sounds like the time I thought the ablution facility for prayers in Morocco was a somewhat strangely equipped urinal.

    …the Moroccan who noticed was very nice about it.

  222. @Peter Frost
    @Colin Wright

    If that theory had any validity at all, then black housing projects would have very low levels of violence.

    Vendettas sometimes occur in African American communities, but not to the same extent as in the patriarchal societies of North Africa and the Middle East. This is partly because many African American families are matriarchal (there is no male head of the household) and partly because other male adults have weak or problematic relationships with their families. This is a general characteristic of atomized Western societies.

    obviously lacking any ‘kinsmen’ to protect us, my wife and I would have been taking our lives in our hands when we wandered around Turkey and Morocco.

    If you're staying with local people, you will enjoy the protection of your hosts. If you're just wandering around by yourselves, you are indeed "taking your lives in your hands" unless you take certain precautions:

    - respect the local culture
    - be modest in your dress
    - avoid saying and doing things that could be misinterpreted
    - don't give the impression you have piles of money on you

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

    ‘…If you’re staying with local people, you will enjoy the protection of your hosts. If you’re just wandering around by yourselves, you are indeed “taking your lives in your hands” unless you take certain precautions…’

    That hasn’t been my experience at all.

    Lessee…I’ve been in twenty five – thirty countries, all told, five of them Muslim.

    Of those, I’ve had perilous encounters in the US, of course — but given the fact that I’ve spent the overwhelming majority of my time here, that’s hardly surprising. Outside of that, the only times I’ve actually been aware of being in danger was once in Guatemala — not Muslim — and twice confronted by white loonies — once in Germany and once in England — also not Muslim. I was seriously defrauded in India — possibly but probably not by a Muslim. At any rate, India certainly isn’t a Muslim country.

    I did have a border guard in Pakistan seriously try to get me to ‘purchase a visa’ that I knew I didn’t have to have. Eventually he gave up. When I was in Iran immediately prior to the revolution, I took the precaution of saying I was Canadian (wink-wink nudge nudge). Does that count?

    What have your experiences been?

  223. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barr
    “ Another document from the State Department dated 1998 highly suggests US interests in establishing a military presence in Yemen around the sea of Aden. Saudi-born Ali al-Ahmed of the Gulf Institute, a leading expert on Saudi politics and terrorism, told me that he is not at all surprised by the phone call between George Tenet and Yemen’s former president.
    “I’ve been saying this for a long time,” al-Ahmed told me. “People that think that these organizations; al-Qaeda, ISIS, are organic, non-state-backed organizations are either lying or are completely stupid. The fact that ISIS had all these American weapons, they didn’t come from thin air. This was part of a plan. The same thing with al-Qaeda; the fact that this organization which has been attacked all over the world continues to survive 20 years on, and spread, it’s not by accident. It’s done by security and intelligence organizations in Washington, D.C. and in , and by “

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/22/cia-yemen-al-qaeda-anwar-al-awlaki/

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/22/cia-yemen-al-qaeda-anwar-al-awlaki/

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/22/cia-

    And by UK- France and by - US vassals of ME.

    Hey Sailer!
    Do you think this guy was released by Iranian or Chinese or Venezuelan despite his long trainings by CIA
    and Army College and by Phoenix program ?

    When are going to attack Syria now for this ISIS ‘s barbaric murders ?

    Now America was really pissed off when Bangladesh denied US any role in investigation of cafe murder , USA really got mad when Bangladesh refused to link the attack to ISIS , thus denying US to bomb Bangladesh or drone Bangladeshi.

    Replies: @anon

    More Yeminis getting radicalized and being forced to commit unacceptable moral transgressions by USA and UK than meets the eyes of the – Psychologist of America, HRW,ICC,and by US voters

    1

    “The CIA and MI6, its British counterpart, have recruited hundreds of Yemenis to work as mercenaries and spies gathering intelligence and coordinates of Yemeni military positions in Marib, al-Mahrah, Sana’a and Sadaa, and providing that information to their handlers, according to confessions given to the Yemeni Security Intelligence Service (YSIS) by at least six Yemeni nationals currently on trial in Sana’a for violating Article 130 of Yemen’s Penal Code.

    The six men, who are being held in a detention facility in Sana’a, agreed to speak to MintPress about their experiences. They insist that abject poverty as a result of the ongoing war drove them to participate in the operation, which they said came with the promise of a $300 payout.

    According to the men, the operation was carried out primarily at the Ghaydah Airport in eastern al-Mahrah. There, they joined dozens of young Yemenis recruited by the CIA for training by American and British officers on how to properly identify and describe; the use of cameras, sophisticated software programs and devices used to share coordinates; information gathering; and how to find and identify military leaders and headquarters, workshops, factories, laboratories, warehouses, checkpoints and launching sites for missiles and drones. Even the locations of the personal homes and vehicles of Ansar Allah members and other vocal opponents of the Saudi intervention were sought, according to the men.”

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/recruited-arrested-on-trial-yemen-spies-tell-of-reluctant-work-for-cia-mi6/276289/

    Also-

    2

    “Chris Hedges: The Evil Within Us
    Millions of largely white Americans, hermetically sealed within the ideology of the Christian Right, yearn to destroy the ‘Satanic’ forces they blame for the debacle of their lives. And one such evangelical just killed eight people in Atlanta.

    by Chris Hedges

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/chris-hedges-the-evil-within-us-christian-right/276349/

  224. @Anon
    @Jack D


    Al Issa had no serious criminal record. We don’t lock people up for pre-crime (although in the past we were much more willing to confine the mentally ill to institutions).
     
    I would guess that holding radical views would be a much better indicator of a potential terrorist or deadly mass shooter than prior criminal behavior.

    Nowadays to get a U.S. security clearance (at the secret/TS/SCI levels) your social media, finances, et al., will be monitored. Ahmad Al-Issa was talking jihadi crap on social media as was his father, Moustafa. These two were on the FBI radar, the FBI has said so.

    A guy who is known to the FBI and has ties to Syrian Salafi jihadis should not be allowed to buy a gun (or NH₄NO₃, castor beans, thallium, pilot’s license, etc.).

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    The little shit who blew up those (need I add, White) kids and their parents in Manchester Arena (Arianna Grande gig) was intimately known to whichever Brit intelligence agency arranges these things.
    His father had been imported from Libya under the “asylum” ruse, as a known Salafi troublemaker over there. His son who had mysteriously been allowed to go back to Libya with Dad and fight Gaddafi, and then return unchallenged, and his son’s equally defective brother, also well known to the spooks, then decided that they ought to “hit back” at the infidels they’d gone to school with by shredding masses of kids at a concert. While cheating on his college loan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing#Attacker

    If “refugees”, economic migrants and all the other fifth-columnists can’t behave, we must exercise our right and duty to evict all of them from the premises as an imminent danger to the public. The whole vicious, idle, conniving lot, whether they’ve been found out plotting or not. Back to the sands, savages.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Expletive Deleted

    I’ve been following Steve Sailer around the internet since about 1997. I followed him from Vdare to UNZ That’s how I discovered UNZ.

    It was a month after I followed Steve to UNZ that the Manchester bombing of British girls at the Arianna Grande concert. Were you reading UNZ then?

    About 90 percent of the comments about the bombing by the misogynist White women hating MEN OF UNZ were in praise of the bomber and heaping much scorn and hatred of the White British girls he killed. As they jacked off salivating at the thought of underage girls in short skirts and make up being bombed by a Muslim.

    It was really an eye opener at the lecherous old creep repressed child molesters the MEN OF UNZ are.

    Go back to the Manchester bombing comments and read them. If you are a decent man and not a creepy pervert like most of the MEN OF UNZ you will be sickened by the lecherous sadistic perverted comments praising the Muslim bomber and hating the White British girls who were killed and injured.

    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.

    Replies: @By-tor, @Truth

  225. @Ragno
    @Nicholas Stix

    Wasn't that amazing? When 9/11 happened, the initial question I asked (and asked, and asked, and am still asking) was where in God's name were the F-16s? Any hijacked planes redirected towards population centers are supposed to be shot down if they do not comply with orders to land. Shooting down commercial aircraft would be a tragedy, and a weapon in the hands of our fifth-column fourth-estate, but allowing FOUR hijacked aircraft to do what they did, unmolested by our air defenses, was more than a tragedy - it was an as-yet-unremarked-upon scandal.

    The reason, however, I did not immediately ask why have we not ceased all immigration from hostile third-world states was because.....and this is dating myself, I understand....I assumed, following an atrocity like 9/11, that any government comprised of grown-ups aware of which side they were on would have done so without being prompted by media or citizenry. If there was a radicalizing moment, or series of them, that awakened me to the ongoing "existential threat" presented by our embedded traitor class, it wasn't solely 9/11 but its hideous aftermath - the Deep State feigning hearing loss on immigration, the dancing rooftop Israelis, that sick joke of the "commission hearings", and above all, the wide dissemination of that vile and treasonous Project For A New American Century doctrine of perpetual war, Rebuilding America's Defenses.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    When 9/11 happened, the initial question I asked (and asked, and asked, and am still asking) was where in God’s name were the F-16s?

    It wasn’t until the first three planes had crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon that fighters were ordered to go get flight 93. Two of them from Virginia beach did. They were both unarmed, and were prepared to ram flight 93 if necessary. Google “flight 93 intercept” and read for yourself.

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @Jim Don Bob

    Far too little, far too late.

    Sadly, I'm old enough to remember when such a dereliction of duty - not by the pilots but by the top Air Force brass - leading to such an utter disaster would have immediately resulted in said brass resigning in disgrace......without being asked or ordered to. One ignoble reason to wish I was younger is to have been spared such knowledge.

    Look.....let's just stop talking about 9/11. It just plays hob with my blood pressure, and to no good purpose. Suffice it to say that one key result of the atrocity - an entire generation being propagandized not to ask uncouth questions, let alone demand actual answers - laid the necessary groundwork for a nation's placid acceptance of last summer's worth of Communist-directed rioting culminating in a blatantly-stolen election. We don't expect the truth and we no longer reject the pablum we get in its place. You took the time to cobble up some lies, however laughable, Senator Capteeth, and gave Silicon Valley the high sign to begin suppressing any public skepticism - that's good enough for us, we're satisfied. God forbid Silicon Valley should disapprove of us.

    Replies: @vhrm

  226. @Jay Fink
    @Abolish_public_education

    I like the idea of removing bullies from regular schools and putting them in separate all-bully schools. This would be a great relief for the victims and it would also be an interesting psychology experiment. How would bullies react to only having other bullies in the school and no natural victims?

    Replies: @vhrm, @oliver elkington

    I like the idea of removing bullies from regular schools and putting them in separate all-bully schools. This would be a great relief for the victims and it would also be an interesting psychology experiment. How would bullies react to only having other bullies in the school and no natural victims?

    At least in many areas in the US traditional bullying in school is way down. I think it started after Columbine, and while i have serious dislike for the excesses of “zero tolerance” measures that equate all sorts of normal things (like mild insults or pointing a finger at someone) to “violence”, the actual reduction in bullying is one good thing that’s come out of it.

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/is-bullying-decreasing

    Of course the rather perverse other side of this is the “snowflakes” and “safe-spaces” and hypersensitivity to any perceived, imagined, or imaginable slight which is significantly implicated in our current SJW BLM insanity. As it sometimes (often? always?) happens w/ social movements the pendulum has swung so far that the cure is worse than the disease.

  227. @anonymous
    Rule regarding (media's treatment of) mass shooters in America:

    Non-white mass shooters -- mentally ill. Not haters.

    White mass shooters -- haters. Not mentally ill.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  228. Isn’t it weird that a little while after the US bombs Syria, a Syrian immigrant shoots up a US supermarket?

  229. But heartland cuck conservative Econ 101 idiots love, love love crooked immigrant business people.

    The overly-welcoming billionaire whites who run Calif. love their Third World brown and black diversity.

  230. @Jay Fink
    @Abolish_public_education

    I like the idea of removing bullies from regular schools and putting them in separate all-bully schools. This would be a great relief for the victims and it would also be an interesting psychology experiment. How would bullies react to only having other bullies in the school and no natural victims?

    Replies: @vhrm, @oliver elkington

    Wouldn’t that basically be Bullworth Academy?

    https://bully.fandom.com/wiki/Bullworth_Academy

  231. But heartland cuck conservative Econ 101 idiots love, love love crooked immigrant business people.

    The overly-welcoming billionaire and millionaire whites who run the West Coast and the Old Legacy Yankee East Coast love Third World browns and blacks as the obscenely wealthy but quite useless malcontents use their hold on the reigns of government to fill the country up with riff-raff and monetarily gift them with franchises, set-asides and Affirmative Action jobs. It is not the the majority of hinterland traditional white males who “love, love, love” them as you claim.

  232. @Expletive Deleted
    @Anon

    The little shit who blew up those (need I add, White) kids and their parents in Manchester Arena (Arianna Grande gig) was intimately known to whichever Brit intelligence agency arranges these things.
    His father had been imported from Libya under the "asylum" ruse, as a known Salafi troublemaker over there. His son who had mysteriously been allowed to go back to Libya with Dad and fight Gaddafi, and then return unchallenged, and his son's equally defective brother, also well known to the spooks, then decided that they ought to "hit back" at the infidels they'd gone to school with by shredding masses of kids at a concert. While cheating on his college loan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arena_bombing#Attacker

    If "refugees", economic migrants and all the other fifth-columnists can't behave, we must exercise our right and duty to evict all of them from the premises as an imminent danger to the public. The whole vicious, idle, conniving lot, whether they've been found out plotting or not. Back to the sands, savages.

    Replies: @Alden

    I’ve been following Steve Sailer around the internet since about 1997. I followed him from Vdare to UNZ That’s how I discovered UNZ.

    It was a month after I followed Steve to UNZ that the Manchester bombing of British girls at the Arianna Grande concert. Were you reading UNZ then?

    About 90 percent of the comments about the bombing by the misogynist White women hating MEN OF UNZ were in praise of the bomber and heaping much scorn and hatred of the White British girls he killed. As they jacked off salivating at the thought of underage girls in short skirts and make up being bombed by a Muslim.

    It was really an eye opener at the lecherous old creep repressed child molesters the MEN OF UNZ are.

    Go back to the Manchester bombing comments and read them. If you are a decent man and not a creepy pervert like most of the MEN OF UNZ you will be sickened by the lecherous sadistic perverted comments praising the Muslim bomber and hating the White British girls who were killed and injured.

    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    @Alden


    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.
     
    Your reasoning is rather adolescent and misandrous, because only a small minority of men who read articles on this site care to make comments.
    , @Truth
    @Alden


    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.
     
    Aldey, the Men of Unz!


    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhrbx859xGd01gknpS
  233. @JMcG
    @Alden

    I’d love to know how many food stamp dollars end up in those blue barrels that shopkeepers ship to the Dominican for 75.00. People fill them up with formula and diapers and in effect become their own export business. It’s a big business in NYC.
    We are the biggest patsies in the world.
    Mr. Unz should give you your own column here.
    Thank you.

    Replies: @Alden, @Truth

    Then there’s the fact that Mexican immigrants on welfare and less than minimum wage send more USDs to Mexico than all the goods and services including oil and tourism Mexico exports to the rest of the world.
    You do know about the Persian Armenian Russian and Israeli auto repair shops don’t you?

    Smart S Californians find a Mexican run shop. I always go to the German car shop run by honest Mexicans in Culver City.

    I think the best thing for my grandchildren to survive is to marry into a Catholic Zoroastrian Chaldean or Jewish Armenian or Persian criminal mafia clan They’d lose the eyes hair and beauty. But still be White and survive in the new America a version of Mongolia 5,000BC clan warfare.

  234. @anon
    @James N. Kennett

    maybe he just selected a large place of gathering that was easily accessible
    and the population mix was typical of that area.

    Replies: @Alden

    He drive 30 miles to a Jewish neighborhood to a supermarket known for kosher food. Plenty of goyim neighborhoods and food markets that don’t advertise kosher food in Arvada Boulder and all the towns around.

  235. @Alden
    @Expletive Deleted

    I’ve been following Steve Sailer around the internet since about 1997. I followed him from Vdare to UNZ That’s how I discovered UNZ.

    It was a month after I followed Steve to UNZ that the Manchester bombing of British girls at the Arianna Grande concert. Were you reading UNZ then?

    About 90 percent of the comments about the bombing by the misogynist White women hating MEN OF UNZ were in praise of the bomber and heaping much scorn and hatred of the White British girls he killed. As they jacked off salivating at the thought of underage girls in short skirts and make up being bombed by a Muslim.

    It was really an eye opener at the lecherous old creep repressed child molesters the MEN OF UNZ are.

    Go back to the Manchester bombing comments and read them. If you are a decent man and not a creepy pervert like most of the MEN OF UNZ you will be sickened by the lecherous sadistic perverted comments praising the Muslim bomber and hating the White British girls who were killed and injured.

    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.

    Replies: @By-tor, @Truth

    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.

    Your reasoning is rather adolescent and misandrous, because only a small minority of men who read articles on this site care to make comments.

  236. Snapshot of 2020’s mass shooters in the US wherein an arrest was made:

    • Replies: @Ragno
    @By-tor

    Can someone post that illustrated chart to Meena Harris' Twitter feed? I've never bothered to open an account there.

  237. @JMcG
    @Alden

    I’d love to know how many food stamp dollars end up in those blue barrels that shopkeepers ship to the Dominican for 75.00. People fill them up with formula and diapers and in effect become their own export business. It’s a big business in NYC.
    We are the biggest patsies in the world.
    Mr. Unz should give you your own column here.
    Thank you.

    Replies: @Alden, @Truth

    LOL, I’m not sure the Men of Unz are ready for that one, Old Sport.

  238. @Alden
    @Expletive Deleted

    I’ve been following Steve Sailer around the internet since about 1997. I followed him from Vdare to UNZ That’s how I discovered UNZ.

    It was a month after I followed Steve to UNZ that the Manchester bombing of British girls at the Arianna Grande concert. Were you reading UNZ then?

    About 90 percent of the comments about the bombing by the misogynist White women hating MEN OF UNZ were in praise of the bomber and heaping much scorn and hatred of the White British girls he killed. As they jacked off salivating at the thought of underage girls in short skirts and make up being bombed by a Muslim.

    It was really an eye opener at the lecherous old creep repressed child molesters the MEN OF UNZ are.

    Go back to the Manchester bombing comments and read them. If you are a decent man and not a creepy pervert like most of the MEN OF UNZ you will be sickened by the lecherous sadistic perverted comments praising the Muslim bomber and hating the White British girls who were killed and injured.

    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.

    Replies: @By-tor, @Truth

    The MEN OF UNZ hate White women and even little girls so I hate them right back.

    Aldey, the Men of Unz!

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhrbx859xGd01gknpS

  239. @Jim Don Bob
    @Ragno


    When 9/11 happened, the initial question I asked (and asked, and asked, and am still asking) was where in God’s name were the F-16s?
     
    It wasn't until the first three planes had crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon that fighters were ordered to go get flight 93. Two of them from Virginia beach did. They were both unarmed, and were prepared to ram flight 93 if necessary. Google "flight 93 intercept" and read for yourself.

    Replies: @Ragno

    Far too little, far too late.

    Sadly, I’m old enough to remember when such a dereliction of duty – not by the pilots but by the top Air Force brass – leading to such an utter disaster would have immediately resulted in said brass resigning in disgrace……without being asked or ordered to. One ignoble reason to wish I was younger is to have been spared such knowledge.

    Look…..let’s just stop talking about 9/11. It just plays hob with my blood pressure, and to no good purpose. Suffice it to say that one key result of the atrocity – an entire generation being propagandized not to ask uncouth questions, let alone demand actual answers – laid the necessary groundwork for a nation’s placid acceptance of last summer’s worth of Communist-directed rioting culminating in a blatantly-stolen election. We don’t expect the truth and we no longer reject the pablum we get in its place. You took the time to cobble up some lies, however laughable, Senator Capteeth, and gave Silicon Valley the high sign to begin suppressing any public skepticism – that’s good enough for us, we’re satisfied. God forbid Silicon Valley should disapprove of us.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @Ragno

    Since you mention that you've been wondering all this time what the heck the AF was doing...

    The Air Force (and the military as a whole) was notified that a plane was hijacked (Flight 11 out of Boston) at 8:38 AM, only 9 minutes before it hit the WTC. They had a pair of armed F-15s in the air 15 minutes after the first contact from the FAA.

    The military was not notified of any of the other planes until they had already crashed/hit their targets.

    https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

    The military did alright and even the FAA did alright all things considered. This was the first offensive use of a hijacked airliner ever (iirc) even after the tens (hundreds?) of hijackings in the late 60s to early 80s. it was not a threat the system overall was ever designed to protect against.

  240. @By-tor
    Snapshot of 2020's mass shooters in the US wherein an arrest was made:

    https://media.patriots.win/post/xdmDODvi.jpeg

    Replies: @Ragno

    Can someone post that illustrated chart to Meena Harris’ Twitter feed? I’ve never bothered to open an account there.

  241. @Ragno
    @Jim Don Bob

    Far too little, far too late.

    Sadly, I'm old enough to remember when such a dereliction of duty - not by the pilots but by the top Air Force brass - leading to such an utter disaster would have immediately resulted in said brass resigning in disgrace......without being asked or ordered to. One ignoble reason to wish I was younger is to have been spared such knowledge.

    Look.....let's just stop talking about 9/11. It just plays hob with my blood pressure, and to no good purpose. Suffice it to say that one key result of the atrocity - an entire generation being propagandized not to ask uncouth questions, let alone demand actual answers - laid the necessary groundwork for a nation's placid acceptance of last summer's worth of Communist-directed rioting culminating in a blatantly-stolen election. We don't expect the truth and we no longer reject the pablum we get in its place. You took the time to cobble up some lies, however laughable, Senator Capteeth, and gave Silicon Valley the high sign to begin suppressing any public skepticism - that's good enough for us, we're satisfied. God forbid Silicon Valley should disapprove of us.

    Replies: @vhrm

    Since you mention that you’ve been wondering all this time what the heck the AF was doing…

    The Air Force (and the military as a whole) was notified that a plane was hijacked (Flight 11 out of Boston) at 8:38 AM, only 9 minutes before it hit the WTC. They had a pair of armed F-15s in the air 15 minutes after the first contact from the FAA.

    The military was not notified of any of the other planes until they had already crashed/hit their targets.

    https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch1.htm

    The military did alright and even the FAA did alright all things considered. This was the first offensive use of a hijacked airliner ever (iirc) even after the tens (hundreds?) of hijackings in the late 60s to early 80s. it was not a threat the system overall was ever designed to protect against.

    • Thanks: Ragno

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