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Living his best life, wife-beating Swedish welfare cheat / gay Iraqi Defense Minister Najah al-Shammari meets with US Defense Secretary Mike Esper

From The Local:

Iraq’s defence minister reported for benefits fraud in Sweden: reports

23 November 2019

Iraq’s defence minister, Najah al-Shammari, has been reported for benefits fraud in Sweden after claiming child and housing support for years, despite living in Baghdad.

Al-Shammari, who is registered in Sweden with the surname Najah Al-Adeli, emigrated to Sweden in 2009, became a Swedish citizen in 2015, and is still officially registered as living in the Stockholm suburb of Vårby.

According to Sweden’s Expressen newspaper, al-Shammari and his wife were reported two weeks ago for benefits fraud after continuing to claim payments years after returning to Iraq.

According to the Aftonbladet newspaper, the 52-year-old has also previously received sick pay, claiming that memory problems left him unable to work.

A judgement in the Civil Courts obtained by Expressen stated that al-Shammari and his family had, “for a long time been partly dependent on welfare support”.

Al-Shammari is a former major general in the Iraqi Army, receiving a degree in military science in 1987.

Toni Eriksson, press secretary for Sweden’s defence minister Peter Hultqvist, confirmed to Swedish state broadcaster SVT on Friday that Al-Shammari is a Swedish citizen — something that was denied by the Iraqi political coalition that pushed for his appointment.

It is permitted for Iraqis to have dual citizenship, but under the country’s constitution, those holding top ministerial positions are required to renounce citizenships of foreign countries.

Neighbours who SVT visited also confirmed that al-Shammari and al-Adeli were the same person. …

Al-Shammari and his family arrange for post to be sent to the address and also return to Sweden for a week every year to give the impression of living in the country.

According to the Nyheter Idag, the couple have also claimed that their children attend a Stockholm private school.

Al-Shammari was also charged in 2016 for a serious crime, and held in pre-trial detention, but the case was dropped just a few days before the trial began.

In other Al-Shammari news, which apparently is blowing up in Sweden, he is a wife beater and a pederast. The daughter of the Iraqi Defense Minister / Swedish welfare queen says:

– “All the trouble in our family, between mom and dad, is because dad is gay.”

The Defense Minister sexts young Swedish men with Gay Borat-style come-ons like:

The young man declines to meet, but the Minister of Defense continues to propel on. “You my love”, writes al-Shammari and continues with “And meet sex sex sex I love you”.

 
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  1. Well, at least he wasn’t one of those Dual Citizens(TM)… right?

  2. I’d normally say “He should go back.”, but it looks like he already did.

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn’t even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    I’d normally say “He should go back.”, but it looks like he already did.
     
    This does suggest a formula for how Sweden can get rid of its foreign parasites. It should cut off welfare benefits of foreigners who stay, but allow the benefits to continue for anyone who renounces residency and moves back to the Third World for good.

    They'd still be parasites but at least they'd no longer be physically in Sweden.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @byrresheim

    , @Colin Wright
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    '... Great to know the 3rd world doesn’t even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    You obviously haven't thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn't live in the First World to collect welfare.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Art Deco

    , @Craig Nelsen
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    In China, books with titles like "How To Receive US Disability Payments" and "Social Security Payments for non-US Citizens" were a popular genre of books. And why not? The Chinese will tell you flat out--and be surprised you don't agree, "China belongs to the Chinese. America belongs to the world."

    , @Pericles
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

     

    I assume it's fairly common already, along with the many other cases that pop up showing fresh new swarthy ways to abuse the system. The media prefer not to excite the tax payers though.

    Just a few days ago, there was a story about a poor refugee child who actually got picked up by the police for kicking another poor refugee child in the head at a local train station. This paragon of very important international law turned out to have been upgraded from 17 years old to 24; having been scheduled to be deported but somehow evaded this (which appears to be about as difficult as buying a bag of chips); and also turned out to have eight different registered identities just in Sweden. So I guess he got the 8x benefits jackpot, perhaps also 8 votes should he feel so inclined, etc. Maybe his friends did too. Sweden yes!

    (What does 'just in Sweden' mean? It's not unheard of for migrants to have several families with benefits in several EU countries so who knows what little Hassan had been up to elsewhere?)

    Sweden is a bountiful smorgasboard (as I guess you would spell it) for third world grifters and the government, elected and deep state, just loves it that way. Nothing good to be said about it.
    , @Amerimutt Golems
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The money will run out.

    Immigration into the Welfare State
    http://www.hanswernersinn.de/en/PS_26012016

    The irony is as a group Gulf Arabs have more money than suicidal egalitarian Swedes thanks to black gold.

    Here are the top 10 sovereign wealth funds in the Arab world
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2019/08/28/Here-are-the-top-10-sovereign-wealth-funds-in-the-Arab-world.html

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    Great to know the 3rd world doesn’t even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.
     
    I'd really love to see some, you know, sanity, where the welfare spigot is turned off.

    I know that is an empty dream here in Clown World.
  3. Well, at least we can rule him out as one of the bombers….

  4. Well, at least he’s no Welfare Queen… more of a Welfare King in Waiting?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Reality Cheque

    Would “Welfare Shah” be a thing or just for Iranians?

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Reality Cheque

    Welfare King in Exile.

  5. I suppose it would be jejune to make a list of the individual bits of crazy in this account.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Crazy? It's as crazy as a Nigerian continuing to milk a gullible white first-worlder out of every penny given the mark's previous cooperation.
    What's truly crazy is these desperate Vikings imagining that they could disrespect an Iraqi ministry. If anything the truth is that there are no Swedes there. If the Swedish come after the minister they can expect to be welcomed with bullets and shoes. Really, Sweden has started to commit suicide, and they will be encouraged to commit suicide more quickly.

    , @Wilkey
    @Art Deco

    Craziest of all is the fact that some EU court will probably tell Sweden that it has no right to deny him benefits or revoke his citizenship.

  6. Thinks must be REALLY BAD in Iraq if the Defence [sic] Minister had to mooch off of welfare benefits of another Socialist sucker of a country. I mean, if you are a working-class camel-jockey who maybe had a brother-in-law over in Malmo, and you are 2 months behind one your camel payments, it’s still not right, but it’s understandable, but THE DEFENSE MINISTER?

    Couldn’t Al Shammari just work out some kickbacks from General Dynamics Lockheed for some more F-16s or something? If you’re gonna embezzle, do it up right. Obviously, Iraq is not sending their best embezzlers.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    A billionaire finds a sack of nickels on the sidewalk. Does he:

    (a) walk on by, saying to himself, "I'm rich enough; let me leave this free money for some more deserving soul," or,
    (b) stuff his pockets, cackling all the while?

  7. @Art Deco
    I suppose it would be jejune to make a list of the individual bits of crazy in this account.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Wilkey

    Crazy? It’s as crazy as a Nigerian continuing to milk a gullible white first-worlder out of every penny given the mark’s previous cooperation.
    What’s truly crazy is these desperate Vikings imagining that they could disrespect an Iraqi ministry. If anything the truth is that there are no Swedes there. If the Swedish come after the minister they can expect to be welcomed with bullets and shoes. Really, Sweden has started to commit suicide, and they will be encouraged to commit suicide more quickly.

  8. High-trust (AKA White or Japanese) societies are sitting ducks for infiltration and wrecking. At least the Japanese tend to recognize this basic fact, and act accordingly. White people, by and large, welcome their own demise.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/23/cheating-uks-leading-universities-has-doubled-five-years-new/

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Charon


    High-trust (AKA White or Japanese) societies are sitting ducks for infiltration and wrecking. At least the Japanese tend to recognize this basic fact, and act accordingly. White people, by and large, welcome their own demise.
     
    This. Well said Charon.

    It is really quite simple. White gentiles--and Japanese through some very different biological/cultural route--have developed huge scale high-trust nations. This is a terrific socio-cultural innovation and these are the very best places to live in human history.

    However, they are quasi-stable, precisely because they are genetically evolved. They only work with people who share the genetics and culture and reciprocate trust.

    But are easily exploited, rolled and ultimately destroyed by admitting other people without those trusting/cooperative genetics with their own tribal identity and loyalties.
  9. Despite the imprimatur of a veritas “Ali” pedigree, his application for an Eye-a-Trolla sinecure was, alas, sent to the circular file.

  10. @Art Deco
    I suppose it would be jejune to make a list of the individual bits of crazy in this account.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Wilkey

    Craziest of all is the fact that some EU court will probably tell Sweden that it has no right to deny him benefits or revoke his citizenship.

    • Agree: Carol
  11. Sounds like some real parallels here to case of the foreigner “US Col.” Vindman, to whom Ukraine offered the position Defense Minister.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Hail

    "That's Lt. Colonel!"

    Replies: @Hail

  12. If you feed the pigeons, the pigeons feed.

    That simple.

  13. I’ve never understood these guys–supposedly, i’ve never had anyone admit it to me–into the masochism or humiliation fetish.

    So i can’t understand Sweden.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @AnotherDad

    Keep in mind many European rightest parties were neutered by the US after WW2. Also, 1960s New Left dogma became something to emulate in Australia, New Zealand, and Europe. (Or at least in government institutions.)

  14. @Charon
    High-trust (AKA White or Japanese) societies are sitting ducks for infiltration and wrecking. At least the Japanese tend to recognize this basic fact, and act accordingly. White people, by and large, welcome their own demise.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/23/cheating-uks-leading-universities-has-doubled-five-years-new/

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    High-trust (AKA White or Japanese) societies are sitting ducks for infiltration and wrecking. At least the Japanese tend to recognize this basic fact, and act accordingly. White people, by and large, welcome their own demise.

    This. Well said Charon.

    It is really quite simple. White gentiles–and Japanese through some very different biological/cultural route–have developed huge scale high-trust nations. This is a terrific socio-cultural innovation and these are the very best places to live in human history.

    However, they are quasi-stable, precisely because they are genetically evolved. They only work with people who share the genetics and culture and reciprocate trust.

    But are easily exploited, rolled and ultimately destroyed by admitting other people without those trusting/cooperative genetics with their own tribal identity and loyalties.

  15. So we spent all that blood and treasure just so Iraq can place a mentally defective shyster as defense minister? Great job Mr. Bush. What are his cousins up to?

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @gcochran
    @Dtbb

    Arguably better than McNamara.

  16. @Reality Cheque
    Well, at least he's no Welfare Queen... more of a Welfare King in Waiting?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Redneck farmer

    Would “Welfare Shah” be a thing or just for Iranians?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Kronos

    Welfare Sheikh?

  17. @AnotherDad
    I've never understood these guys--supposedly, i've never had anyone admit it to me--into the masochism or humiliation fetish.

    So i can't understand Sweden.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Keep in mind many European rightest parties were neutered by the US after WW2. Also, 1960s New Left dogma became something to emulate in Australia, New Zealand, and Europe. (Or at least in government institutions.)

  18. It appears that Sweden will be our test case for whether it’s possible for a a white nation to reclaim its self-respect. So far indications are not good, but there may eventually be a turning point.

    BTW, how perfect is it that identifying with your captors was dubbed “Stockholm syndrome”? It got that name back in 1973, when Sweden was not nearly as far gone as it is now.

    • Agree: Dtbb
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Harry Baldwin

    Keep an eye on Alternative for Sweden (political party, launched March 2018); they are very well organized, morally serious, disciplined, and effective. And of course also subject to extreme hostility from the regime including electoral tricks.

    They have the organizational apparatus to grow enormously, above their current, activist-oriented base, given the right conditions.

    Replies: @Ola

  19. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'd normally say "He should go back.", but it looks like he already did.

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn't even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright, @Craig Nelsen, @Pericles, @Amerimutt Golems, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’d normally say “He should go back.”, but it looks like he already did.

    This does suggest a formula for how Sweden can get rid of its foreign parasites. It should cut off welfare benefits of foreigners who stay, but allow the benefits to continue for anyone who renounces residency and moves back to the Third World for good.

    They’d still be parasites but at least they’d no longer be physically in Sweden.

    • Agree: The Alarmist, byrresheim
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Hypnotoad666

    We could also let them vote in elections to ensure their best interests are well tepresented, but only from abroad.

    , @byrresheim
    @Hypnotoad666

    Probably the only practical solution.

    Pay them handsomely to self deport.

  20. I know one thing about Sweden: theere women are completely obsessed with African Men!

    You guys need to watch WatchMen on HBO

    It takes on white supremacy

    Also read the 1619 Project

    It is the truth

    Unless you guys are too fragile to reflet on it it you should read and read Leonard Pitts i was os mad at the jerk form OHio that called me name sna d asi i was snowbiridng in baskebtll just because i was faseer than him and we were beating them and then he got all his older friends to beat us up i hate that kid

    I am salso mad about that itmein the internt when that guy sierra neveada made of me for saying i felt inferior for not being in the army i didnt realy mean it and the jerk seciton 8 that thoght he was so awwesmem poiled on they are stuood sheep and they think they are relaly imprreise that first guy in a sphisioler lecturer and is all liberla here he is

    https://twitter.com/justinmoss?lang=en

    I jsut wish i5 minutes alone with htose guuys they madke me so mad and they are pinks

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jeff Benford

    Please consider not allowing remarks like this one through moderation. If the clowns and haters get discouraged and wind up contributing to other sites instead... that’s okay.

    Your readers are aware that maintaining a reasonably open comments section requires you to wade through a lot of non-value-add material. I (we) appreciate the effort! Anyway, that’s my two cents.

    Replies: @Alden

  21. @Harry Baldwin
    It appears that Sweden will be our test case for whether it's possible for a a white nation to reclaim its self-respect. So far indications are not good, but there may eventually be a turning point.

    BTW, how perfect is it that identifying with your captors was dubbed "Stockholm syndrome"? It got that name back in 1973, when Sweden was not nearly as far gone as it is now.

    Replies: @Hail

    Keep an eye on Alternative for Sweden (political party, launched March 2018); they are very well organized, morally serious, disciplined, and effective. And of course also subject to extreme hostility from the regime including electoral tricks.

    They have the organizational apparatus to grow enormously, above their current, activist-oriented base, given the right conditions.

    • Replies: @Ola
    @Hail

    They also quoted Steve's “Political correctness is a war on noticing.” (without attributing him) regularly during their 2018 campaign.

    Replies: @Hail

  22. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'd normally say "He should go back.", but it looks like he already did.

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn't even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright, @Craig Nelsen, @Pericles, @Amerimutt Golems, @The Wild Geese Howard

    ‘… Great to know the 3rd world doesn’t even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    You obviously haven’t thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn’t live in the First World to collect welfare.

    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Colin Wright

    Israel is the 3rd world?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    You obviously haven’t thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn’t live in the First World to collect welfare.

    Our arrangement with Israel is that they are extended credits (equal to about 1.2% of their gross national income) to purchase equipment from American arms manufacturers. It bothers the fire-up-the-gas-ovens caucus a great deal. Since you're all creepy weirdos, upsetting you is an agreeable side-benefit to the program.

    Replies: @byrresheim, @James Forrestal

  23. “Fool me once..”

  24. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d like to see dual citizenship come up as a prominent political issue. This really is the definition of nationalism/citizenism versus multiculturalism/cosmopolitanism/open borders.

    Should dual citizens be allowed to work in the government? Consult to the government? Work for companies that do?

    Should media report in bylines when dual citizens write op/eds? Anne Applebaum is a naturalized Polish citizen, for instance.

    Should dual citizens be allowed to vote, in Mexico or Canada, for instance? Or should they be allowed to vote in the U.S.?

    Should dual citizenship be outlawed? The State Department previously took the view that it was illegal, but a court decision intervened (as usual).

    Maybe the U.S. should, as a model for other countries, create a species of immigrant visa that allows greater rights than a normal green card, but is not citizenship. Then you could have Israel creating something similar allowing patriation to Israel in case of some massive Nazi eruption, but which is not citizenship. If you want citizenship, renounce your home countries citizenship. If you are from China or Iran or some place that will not cut you loose, make that a country-to-country diplomacy issue. Bring it up at the U.N. One person, one citizenship.

    I don’t think that dual citizenship is going away, easily, but I’d like to see it in the Overton window and discussed and surfaced in the media, and dual citizens identified publicly. Maybe a census checkbox or an IRS checkbox?

  25. @Reality Cheque
    Well, at least he's no Welfare Queen... more of a Welfare King in Waiting?

    Replies: @Kronos, @Redneck farmer

    Welfare King in Exile.

  26. – “All the trouble in our family, between mom and dad, is because dad is gay.”

    Like our own Lindhs– Swedes!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh
    https://www.houseofnames.com/lindh-family-crest

    Najah al-Shammari = Salaam? Hah– rim Jan!

    Najah al-Adeli = Ale… anal… jihad!

  27. @Dtbb
    So we spent all that blood and treasure just so Iraq can place a mentally defective shyster as defense minister? Great job Mr. Bush. What are his cousins up to?

    Replies: @gcochran

    Arguably better than McNamara.

    • Agree: sayless
  28. @jimmyriddle
    He is also in the habit of sexting young Swedish males:

    https://nyheteridag.se/i-want-to-fck-you-sex-sex-sex-har-ofredar-iraks-forsvarsminister-den-unga-svenska-mannen/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks.

  29. Political scientist Ivan Krastev said, I think last year, that the tension between Eastern EU and Western EU is that the eastern states threw off communism, in order to try to be like France, Austria, Germany, and Sweden the way they were in the 1980’s.

    And that’s still the sanity standard in the eastern half of Europe–the West in the 1980’s.

    And when they saw the West, instead of building on this foundation, start to aggressively dismantle everything, and yell at everyone else to do the same otherwise Hitler wins, the east was like WTF?

    But it’s very important that someone maintains that sanity is not what is happening today, but what used to happen in the past. It creates a constant irritant and a competing ideological center which is still “liberal democracy”, but “conservative liberal democracy” as opposed to “woke democracy”.

    If Italy and France make the shift to the eastern position, through convincing wins by Salvini and le Pen for example, then the collapse is stopped and North Europe remains an isolated experimental ground, and not the core of a Brave New World, and can implode to its heart’s content.

    And if most of continental Europe switches back to sanity, who knows. Maybe the Anglosphere does the same. Leaving places like California, Illinois, and New England as isolated experiments. Better yet, just the big cities, with the rest of the state territories splitting off.

    Thus the big cities can do all the theft legalizing and payment abolishing and sweeping amnesties they want. As long as the resulting implosion is confined to said cities.

  30. @Colin Wright
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    '... Great to know the 3rd world doesn’t even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    You obviously haven't thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn't live in the First World to collect welfare.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Art Deco

    Israel is the 3rd world?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    'Israel is the 3rd world?'

    They get the welfare anyway.

  31. @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Colin Wright

    Israel is the 3rd world?

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Israel is the 3rd world?’

    They get the welfare anyway.

  32. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'd normally say "He should go back.", but it looks like he already did.

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn't even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright, @Craig Nelsen, @Pericles, @Amerimutt Golems, @The Wild Geese Howard

    In China, books with titles like “How To Receive US Disability Payments” and “Social Security Payments for non-US Citizens” were a popular genre of books. And why not? The Chinese will tell you flat out–and be surprised you don’t agree, “China belongs to the Chinese. America belongs to the world.”

    • Agree: jim jones
  33. Personally I’d like to see Sweden go under quickly (they really deserve it for multiple stupidities ) and the remainder of the West would then know what the consequences of full wokeness are.

    Of course I’m assuming that the majority of Westerners are sensible and in a position to influence public policy which may not be the case

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @sb



    Personally I’d like to see Sweden go under quickly (they really deserve it for multiple stupidities ) and the remainder of the West would then know what the consequences of full wokeness are.

     

    Thanks for the thought, but the Rest of the West wouldn't learn a damn thing.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @John Regan
    @sb

    Perhaps you do not realize that the US is far worse off than Sweden in terms of demographics, wokeness and just about everything?

    Sweden: Circa 75-80 % white European population, overwhelmingly of Nordic stock.

    US: Circa 60 % "non-Hispanic white" population, including Armenians, Iraqis and the world's largest agglomeration of the people prone to dual citizenship.

    Both of these percentages, incidentally, rapidly declining. And both countries's regimes use statistic trickery to make the numbers more difficult to interpret, each in its own way, so there are various uncertainty factors. But the US has a good head start, and seems unlikely to be overtaken any time soon.

    So there is utterly no cause for Schadenfreude here. Sneering at these small subject nations to the NATO Empire for their lesser idiocies while Rome itself burns is worse than useless. More constructively, Americans who oppose our current global trend of demographic suicide should rather encourage such positive tendencies as can be found in other countries (of which the party Hail mentions in comment 21 may perhaps be an example). For certainly, our enemies are global in scope, and wherever we live, we have them in common.

    As some dead white male is supposed to have said, once upon a time, we must either hang together or we will hang separately. And history has tended to prove that he was not wrong.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @sb

  34. @Achmed E. Newman
    Thinks must be REALLY BAD in Iraq if the Defence [sic] Minister had to mooch off of welfare benefits of another Socialist sucker of a country. I mean, if you are a working-class camel-jockey who maybe had a brother-in-law over in Malmo, and you are 2 months behind one your camel payments, it's still not right, but it's understandable, but THE DEFENSE MINISTER?

    Couldn't Al Shammari just work out some kickbacks from General Dynamics Lockheed for some more F-16s or something? If you're gonna embezzle, do it up right. Obviously, Iraq is not sending their best embezzlers.

    Replies: @anon

    A billionaire finds a sack of nickels on the sidewalk. Does he:

    (a) walk on by, saying to himself, “I’m rich enough; let me leave this free money for some more deserving soul,” or,
    (b) stuff his pockets, cackling all the while?

  35. @sb
    Personally I'd like to see Sweden go under quickly (they really deserve it for multiple stupidities ) and the remainder of the West would then know what the consequences of full wokeness are.

    Of course I'm assuming that the majority of Westerners are sensible and in a position to influence public policy which may not be the case

    Replies: @Pericles, @John Regan

    Personally I’d like to see Sweden go under quickly (they really deserve it for multiple stupidities ) and the remainder of the West would then know what the consequences of full wokeness are.

    Thanks for the thought, but the Rest of the West wouldn’t learn a damn thing.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Pericles

    One could build a gas pipeline over the crater.

  36. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'd normally say "He should go back.", but it looks like he already did.

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn't even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright, @Craig Nelsen, @Pericles, @Amerimutt Golems, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    I assume it’s fairly common already, along with the many other cases that pop up showing fresh new swarthy ways to abuse the system. The media prefer not to excite the tax payers though.

    Just a few days ago, there was a story about a poor refugee child who actually got picked up by the police for kicking another poor refugee child in the head at a local train station. This paragon of very important international law turned out to have been upgraded from 17 years old to 24; having been scheduled to be deported but somehow evaded this (which appears to be about as difficult as buying a bag of chips); and also turned out to have eight different registered identities just in Sweden. So I guess he got the 8x benefits jackpot, perhaps also 8 votes should he feel so inclined, etc. Maybe his friends did too. Sweden yes!

    (What does ‘just in Sweden’ mean? It’s not unheard of for migrants to have several families with benefits in several EU countries so who knows what little Hassan had been up to elsewhere?)

    Sweden is a bountiful smorgasboard (as I guess you would spell it) for third world grifters and the government, elected and deep state, just loves it that way. Nothing good to be said about it.

  37. Here’s the Google translation (not entirely clear, of course):

    Now News Today can reveal new information about Iraqi Defense Minister Najah al-Shammari, which is currently being investigated by the Social Security Office and the police for non-payment. When al-Shammari’s wife examined the Minister of Defense’s phone, she discovered several six-text messages sent to a young man at the age of 20.

    “I was at workout said Sverege,” reads one of the minister’s announcements. Then several sex invites come in succession to the young man in Stockholm. He says that he has just returned from a stay abroad and he wants to meet to have sex.

    The young man declines to meet, but the Minister of Defense continues to propel on. “You my love”, writes al-Shammari and continues with “And meet sex sex sex I love you”. Then the young man replies that “I am not your love” followed by “Sorry” and that he declares that he now has a girlfriend.

    This does not prevent the Minister of Defense from continuing to pick up on the young man. “Can you meet sex?” He asks. Then the Swedish man replies that “and she is my love and me her love”. This does not take al-Shammari any notice but continues to propel on.

    “I want to fuck you sex sex sex,” he writes. Then the young man, who is now tired of the sex invitations, answers again: “Are you crazy?” And later, in big letters, he writes that “I HAVE GIRLFRIEND”. But even that does not stop the sexist defense minister.

    “I like your ass,” writes al-Shammari.

    News Today has called the phone number to which the SMS is sent. A young Swedish-speaking man answers but does not want to be known by the name that appears in the police’s preliminary investigation protocol and he does not want to make further comments.

    In two other SMS conversations in Arabic that the wife hands over to the police, language use is somewhat calmer.

    An excerpt of the translation reads:

    Man: “Now just a kiss is taken (rewarding kiss) or hug. Only if… there is space. ”

    Minister of Defense: “Now I come to you. I’ll bomb you with lots of kisses or hugs. ”

    Man: “Ha ha ha. Just with me or? Now I put on 10 kg in a month hahaha. They believe me for 24 hours. It’s charging from the workout and now (TIZI) [an Arabic snake expression for the butt, eds. notes] have cramped and now I’m walking like a penguin. ”

    Minister of Defense: “Tomorrow I will bring you to Salem. I want to see it and it’s cramped / tense. ”

    Man: “Ha ha that’s shame.”

    The police investigation report shows that Najah al-Shammari’s wife was treated badly and it is alleged that he also killed his wife. It was in connection with the family conflict that the wife discovered the sex invitations to other men and then photographed this from al-Shammari’s phone. She then came to request a divorce from the Swedish authorities.

    In a piece of the preliminary examination protocol, a report from the wife and one of the sons is reproduced.

    “The mother says that her father has beaten her for many years, but that it has gotten worse. The father beat the mother over the weekend and took hold of her. After that incident, Mom told Dad that she will call the police and Dad said that it does not matter and that he will throw her out the window if she contacts the police, “read the documents.

    It also says that the children have witnessed violence and that they are worried about their mother. Furthermore, it is also stated that the father, ie al-Shammari, is verbally aggressive and exposes the family members to mental abuse.

    – He’s cheating. It is very obvious, he does not seem to care that we know about his infidelity. He has sex with other men, I know. He has the viagra he gets from Iraq. He takes tablets every day. When I tell him that he is wrong with me, he yells at me and hits me, the wife says in a police interview.

    – I woke up in the middle of the night to go to sleep and then my husband was lying next to me in our bed and masturbating while he had telephone contact with others, she says.

    The information on the minister’s infidelity business is also supported by his eldest daughter, who confirms that this is behind the family’s problems.

    – All the trouble in our family, between mom and dad is because dad is gay. They have quarreled very much about it, says the daughter in interrogation.

    A friend of the mother of the family is also convinced that the allegations are true and points out that in Iraqi culture it is not easy to acknowledge the things she has done, and that she is putting everything at risk to save her and the children’s lives.

    Also read: “Can come to Sweden and do anything” – did not dare to testify against Iraq’s defense minister

    When asked by the Minister of Defense about his infidelity dealings with other men in police interrogations, he denies the allegation. He says that in 1995 he was an officer in Iraq’s army and was responsible for a province with a million inhabitants. According to him, some other officers wanted to remove the honors to take over the post themselves in order to be able to make their own profit on bribes.

    He tells me that at one point, at night, he awoke to the fact that two soldiers were in the bedroom. They had put him in a trap and said he was sleeping with a soldier. In the Iraqi military, homosexuality is punished with death, he explains.

    According to him, an investigation was done and that it reached even to Saddam’s level. It was a trial. The investigation and trial showed that it was wrong and he was acquitted, he states in interrogation.

    News Today, it has previously revealed that the Minister of Defense is being investigated by Swedish police for non-payment of grants and public accounting offenses. You can read the revelations here

    .

  38. A “Welfare Vizier”.

    “The Sultan of Con”.

  39. Here is the Supreme Commander of Sweden’s armed forces singing Elvis at Gay Pride:

  40. @Hypnotoad666
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    I’d normally say “He should go back.”, but it looks like he already did.
     
    This does suggest a formula for how Sweden can get rid of its foreign parasites. It should cut off welfare benefits of foreigners who stay, but allow the benefits to continue for anyone who renounces residency and moves back to the Third World for good.

    They'd still be parasites but at least they'd no longer be physically in Sweden.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @byrresheim

    We could also let them vote in elections to ensure their best interests are well tepresented, but only from abroad.

  41. @Kronos
    @Reality Cheque

    Would “Welfare Shah” be a thing or just for Iranians?

    Replies: @Lurker

    Welfare Sheikh?

  42. @Jeff Benford
    I know one thing about Sweden: theere women are completely obsessed with African Men!

    You guys need to watch WatchMen on HBO

    It takes on white supremacy

    Also read the 1619 Project

    It is the truth

    Unless you guys are too fragile to reflet on it it you should read and read Leonard Pitts i was os mad at the jerk form OHio that called me name sna d asi i was snowbiridng in baskebtll just because i was faseer than him and we were beating them and then he got all his older friends to beat us up i hate that kid

    I am salso mad about that itmein the internt when that guy sierra neveada made of me for saying i felt inferior for not being in the army i didnt realy mean it and the jerk seciton 8 that thoght he was so awwesmem poiled on they are stuood sheep and they think they are relaly imprreise that first guy in a sphisioler lecturer and is all liberla here he is

    https://twitter.com/justinmoss?lang=en

    I jsut wish i5 minutes alone with htose guuys they madke me so mad and they are pinks

    Replies: @ic1000

    Please consider not allowing remarks like this one through moderation. If the clowns and haters get discouraged and wind up contributing to other sites instead… that’s okay.

    Your readers are aware that maintaining a reasonably open comments section requires you to wade through a lot of non-value-add material. I (we) appreciate the effort! Anyway, that’s my two cents.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @ic1000

    Meh, let it go. It’s well known that the most popular porn is black men White women. So let the wankers enjoy themselves thinking and posting about their favorite sex fantasies. Especially whiskey surferUSA and dannyboy

    Who do I despise more, nasty vicious loud black women or these women hating White men on UNZ ?

    Replies: @James Forrestal

  43. @Hail
    @Harry Baldwin

    Keep an eye on Alternative for Sweden (political party, launched March 2018); they are very well organized, morally serious, disciplined, and effective. And of course also subject to extreme hostility from the regime including electoral tricks.

    They have the organizational apparatus to grow enormously, above their current, activist-oriented base, given the right conditions.

    Replies: @Ola

    They also quoted Steve’s “Political correctness is a war on noticing.” (without attributing him) regularly during their 2018 campaign.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Ola

    When the AfS enters the Riksdag, they can send Steve a thank-you note.

  44. @Colin Wright
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    '... Great to know the 3rd world doesn’t even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    You obviously haven't thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn't live in the First World to collect welfare.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Art Deco

    You obviously haven’t thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn’t live in the First World to collect welfare.

    Our arrangement with Israel is that they are extended credits (equal to about 1.2% of their gross national income) to purchase equipment from American arms manufacturers. It bothers the fire-up-the-gas-ovens caucus a great deal. Since you’re all creepy weirdos, upsetting you is an agreeable side-benefit to the program.

    • Disagree: Hail
    • Replies: @byrresheim
    @Art Deco

    Coke ovens, sir.
    In most European countries misrepresenting technical details the way you just did is a criminal offense, so please be careful with your wording when over there.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Art Deco


    Our* arrangement with Israel is that they are extended credits (equal to about 1.2% of their gross national income) to purchase equipment from American arms manufacturers.
     
    The continued popularity of this inane "B-b-but it's FOOD STAMPS, not CASH WELFARE! So it DOESN'T COUNT, GOY!" trope among low-effort hasbarats does little to support the long-discredited semitic canard of "muh yiddishe kop."

    *"My Fellow White People" is implied as the antecedent for "our," of course.

  45. @Hail
    Sounds like some real parallels here to case of the foreigner "US Col." Vindman, to whom Ukraine offered the position Defense Minister.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    “That’s Lt. Colonel!”

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Jim Don Bob

    I propose referring to him as Defense Minister Vindman.

  46. Swedish alternative media dug this up. Mainstream media has been very reluctant to even mention it. When they finally wrote about they left out all the sleazy details and made it a solely Iraqi affair: “The Iraqi defense minister has dual citizenship but according to Iraqi laws this is actually fine. Nothing to see here.”

    It is certainly not blowing-up at all which is very telling of the rotten state of Sweden.

  47. Swedish mainstream media consistently calls everybody of dual citizenship “Swedish”:

    “Swedish IS-warrior”
    “Four Swedish men arrested for gang rape on ferry”
    “Swedish gang behind crime wave in Spain”.

    All true example and all of Middle East or Somali descent.

    Will Najah al-Shammari also be referred to as the Swedish defense minister?

    • LOL: byrresheim
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anders

    I'm waiting for "Swedish Death Camps"

  48. This comports well with my theory that only severely compromised people are appointed to positions like Defense Minister because they are controllable.

    Where is Ghislaine Maxwell (in mossad protective custody)?

  49. @sb
    Personally I'd like to see Sweden go under quickly (they really deserve it for multiple stupidities ) and the remainder of the West would then know what the consequences of full wokeness are.

    Of course I'm assuming that the majority of Westerners are sensible and in a position to influence public policy which may not be the case

    Replies: @Pericles, @John Regan

    Perhaps you do not realize that the US is far worse off than Sweden in terms of demographics, wokeness and just about everything?

    Sweden: Circa 75-80 % white European population, overwhelmingly of Nordic stock.

    US: Circa 60 % “non-Hispanic white” population, including Armenians, Iraqis and the world’s largest agglomeration of the people prone to dual citizenship.

    Both of these percentages, incidentally, rapidly declining. And both countries’s regimes use statistic trickery to make the numbers more difficult to interpret, each in its own way, so there are various uncertainty factors. But the US has a good head start, and seems unlikely to be overtaken any time soon.

    So there is utterly no cause for Schadenfreude here. Sneering at these small subject nations to the NATO Empire for their lesser idiocies while Rome itself burns is worse than useless. More constructively, Americans who oppose our current global trend of demographic suicide should rather encourage such positive tendencies as can be found in other countries (of which the party Hail mentions in comment 21 may perhaps be an example). For certainly, our enemies are global in scope, and wherever we live, we have them in common.

    As some dead white male is supposed to have said, once upon a time, we must either hang together or we will hang separately. And history has tended to prove that he was not wrong.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @John Regan

    Pretty much everything Swedes 'know' about race relations comes from watching American movies and TV.

    Replies: @Fredrik

    , @Anonymous
    @John Regan

    This is generational. Western countries in the 1980s were still run by people who remembered the Depression and WWII and so were very, very cautious about social/political change.

    Everything changed when the Boomers took over in the 1990s.

    , @sb
    @John Regan

    Well a lot of Americans voted for Trump ( and will probably do so in 2020 )
    Trump of course has many of the characteristics his detractors say he has but he is definitely unwoke and that is the most important thing
    Doubt there could be a Swedish Trump.
    Swedes just trust in Government so much

    I couldn't care less about NATO ( I'm Australian )
    (and I thought Sweden was neutral and never in NATO)

    Replies: @James Forrestal

  50. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'd normally say "He should go back.", but it looks like he already did.

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn't even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright, @Craig Nelsen, @Pericles, @Amerimutt Golems, @The Wild Geese Howard

    The money will run out.

    Immigration into the Welfare State
    http://www.hanswernersinn.de/en/PS_26012016

    The irony is as a group Gulf Arabs have more money than suicidal egalitarian Swedes thanks to black gold.

    Here are the top 10 sovereign wealth funds in the Arab world
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2019/08/28/Here-are-the-top-10-sovereign-wealth-funds-in-the-Arab-world.html

  51. Sweden is feminist ground zero. of course they want this grift. It’s violent and depraved like their favorite tv show s. Feels uber alles. It’s not the high trust read anything from the 19th century it’s women wanting feelz and a final solution to beta males.

    Many things this grifter is. Beta is not one of them. Women can’t stand beta.

  52. @Hypnotoad666
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    I’d normally say “He should go back.”, but it looks like he already did.
     
    This does suggest a formula for how Sweden can get rid of its foreign parasites. It should cut off welfare benefits of foreigners who stay, but allow the benefits to continue for anyone who renounces residency and moves back to the Third World for good.

    They'd still be parasites but at least they'd no longer be physically in Sweden.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @byrresheim

    Probably the only practical solution.

    Pay them handsomely to self deport.

  53. @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    You obviously haven’t thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn’t live in the First World to collect welfare.

    Our arrangement with Israel is that they are extended credits (equal to about 1.2% of their gross national income) to purchase equipment from American arms manufacturers. It bothers the fire-up-the-gas-ovens caucus a great deal. Since you're all creepy weirdos, upsetting you is an agreeable side-benefit to the program.

    Replies: @byrresheim, @James Forrestal

    Coke ovens, sir.
    In most European countries misrepresenting technical details the way you just did is a criminal offense, so please be careful with your wording when over there.

  54. Real-world news continues its trend of increasingly resembling the Onion.

  55. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'd normally say "He should go back.", but it looks like he already did.

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn't even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Colin Wright, @Craig Nelsen, @Pericles, @Amerimutt Golems, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Great to know the 3rd world doesn’t even have to live in the first world in order to collect welfare. I would expect this type of thing to become much more prevalent.

    I’d really love to see some, you know, sanity, where the welfare spigot is turned off.

    I know that is an empty dream here in Clown World.

  56. @Pericles
    @sb



    Personally I’d like to see Sweden go under quickly (they really deserve it for multiple stupidities ) and the remainder of the West would then know what the consequences of full wokeness are.

     

    Thanks for the thought, but the Rest of the West wouldn't learn a damn thing.

    Replies: @El Dato

    One could build a gas pipeline over the crater.

  57. @Anders
    Swedish mainstream media consistently calls everybody of dual citizenship "Swedish":

    “Swedish IS-warrior”
    “Four Swedish men arrested for gang rape on ferry”
    “Swedish gang behind crime wave in Spain”.

    All true example and all of Middle East or Somali descent.

    Will Najah al-Shammari also be referred to as the Swedish defense minister?

    Replies: @El Dato

    I’m waiting for “Swedish Death Camps”

  58. @ic1000
    @Jeff Benford

    Please consider not allowing remarks like this one through moderation. If the clowns and haters get discouraged and wind up contributing to other sites instead... that’s okay.

    Your readers are aware that maintaining a reasonably open comments section requires you to wade through a lot of non-value-add material. I (we) appreciate the effort! Anyway, that’s my two cents.

    Replies: @Alden

    Meh, let it go. It’s well known that the most popular porn is black men White women. So let the wankers enjoy themselves thinking and posting about their favorite sex fantasies. Especially whiskey surferUSA and dannyboy

    Who do I despise more, nasty vicious loud black women or these women hating White men on UNZ ?

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Alden

    It's well known that love knows no boundaries:

    https://i.postimg.cc/Pf20Q1qH/JF-BM-Challah-Cost.jpg

  59. This is getting ridiculous Steve, why not ban the Duckster until he actually picks one name and sticks to it?

    Not that I dislike the duck it’s just that you’ve set the rules but do not make even the most egregious violator stick to the rules.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @TWS

    I guess the Duck is onto the fact that many of us block his comments.

  60. @TWS
    This is getting ridiculous Steve, why not ban the Duckster until he actually picks one name and sticks to it?

    Not that I dislike the duck it's just that you've set the rules but do not make even the most egregious violator stick to the rules.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I guess the Duck is onto the fact that many of us block his comments.

  61. @John Regan
    @sb

    Perhaps you do not realize that the US is far worse off than Sweden in terms of demographics, wokeness and just about everything?

    Sweden: Circa 75-80 % white European population, overwhelmingly of Nordic stock.

    US: Circa 60 % "non-Hispanic white" population, including Armenians, Iraqis and the world's largest agglomeration of the people prone to dual citizenship.

    Both of these percentages, incidentally, rapidly declining. And both countries's regimes use statistic trickery to make the numbers more difficult to interpret, each in its own way, so there are various uncertainty factors. But the US has a good head start, and seems unlikely to be overtaken any time soon.

    So there is utterly no cause for Schadenfreude here. Sneering at these small subject nations to the NATO Empire for their lesser idiocies while Rome itself burns is worse than useless. More constructively, Americans who oppose our current global trend of demographic suicide should rather encourage such positive tendencies as can be found in other countries (of which the party Hail mentions in comment 21 may perhaps be an example). For certainly, our enemies are global in scope, and wherever we live, we have them in common.

    As some dead white male is supposed to have said, once upon a time, we must either hang together or we will hang separately. And history has tended to prove that he was not wrong.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @sb

    Pretty much everything Swedes ‘know’ about race relations comes from watching American movies and TV.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @Anonymous

    As I've said before. Anything crazy you see from Sweden are politicians and media trying to emulate America.

  62. @John Regan
    @sb

    Perhaps you do not realize that the US is far worse off than Sweden in terms of demographics, wokeness and just about everything?

    Sweden: Circa 75-80 % white European population, overwhelmingly of Nordic stock.

    US: Circa 60 % "non-Hispanic white" population, including Armenians, Iraqis and the world's largest agglomeration of the people prone to dual citizenship.

    Both of these percentages, incidentally, rapidly declining. And both countries's regimes use statistic trickery to make the numbers more difficult to interpret, each in its own way, so there are various uncertainty factors. But the US has a good head start, and seems unlikely to be overtaken any time soon.

    So there is utterly no cause for Schadenfreude here. Sneering at these small subject nations to the NATO Empire for their lesser idiocies while Rome itself burns is worse than useless. More constructively, Americans who oppose our current global trend of demographic suicide should rather encourage such positive tendencies as can be found in other countries (of which the party Hail mentions in comment 21 may perhaps be an example). For certainly, our enemies are global in scope, and wherever we live, we have them in common.

    As some dead white male is supposed to have said, once upon a time, we must either hang together or we will hang separately. And history has tended to prove that he was not wrong.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @sb

    This is generational. Western countries in the 1980s were still run by people who remembered the Depression and WWII and so were very, very cautious about social/political change.

    Everything changed when the Boomers took over in the 1990s.

  63. @Anonymous
    @John Regan

    Pretty much everything Swedes 'know' about race relations comes from watching American movies and TV.

    Replies: @Fredrik

    As I’ve said before. Anything crazy you see from Sweden are politicians and media trying to emulate America.

  64. @Art Deco
    @Colin Wright

    You obviously haven’t thought about our arrangement with Israel. Of course you needn’t live in the First World to collect welfare.

    Our arrangement with Israel is that they are extended credits (equal to about 1.2% of their gross national income) to purchase equipment from American arms manufacturers. It bothers the fire-up-the-gas-ovens caucus a great deal. Since you're all creepy weirdos, upsetting you is an agreeable side-benefit to the program.

    Replies: @byrresheim, @James Forrestal

    Our* arrangement with Israel is that they are extended credits (equal to about 1.2% of their gross national income) to purchase equipment from American arms manufacturers.

    The continued popularity of this inane “B-b-but it’s FOOD STAMPS, not CASH WELFARE! So it DOESN’T COUNT, GOY!” trope among low-effort hasbarats does little to support the long-discredited semitic canard of “muh yiddishe kop.”

    *”My Fellow White People” is implied as the antecedent for “our,” of course.

  65. @John Regan
    @sb

    Perhaps you do not realize that the US is far worse off than Sweden in terms of demographics, wokeness and just about everything?

    Sweden: Circa 75-80 % white European population, overwhelmingly of Nordic stock.

    US: Circa 60 % "non-Hispanic white" population, including Armenians, Iraqis and the world's largest agglomeration of the people prone to dual citizenship.

    Both of these percentages, incidentally, rapidly declining. And both countries's regimes use statistic trickery to make the numbers more difficult to interpret, each in its own way, so there are various uncertainty factors. But the US has a good head start, and seems unlikely to be overtaken any time soon.

    So there is utterly no cause for Schadenfreude here. Sneering at these small subject nations to the NATO Empire for their lesser idiocies while Rome itself burns is worse than useless. More constructively, Americans who oppose our current global trend of demographic suicide should rather encourage such positive tendencies as can be found in other countries (of which the party Hail mentions in comment 21 may perhaps be an example). For certainly, our enemies are global in scope, and wherever we live, we have them in common.

    As some dead white male is supposed to have said, once upon a time, we must either hang together or we will hang separately. And history has tended to prove that he was not wrong.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @sb

    Well a lot of Americans voted for Trump ( and will probably do so in 2020 )
    Trump of course has many of the characteristics his detractors say he has but he is definitely unwoke and that is the most important thing
    Doubt there could be a Swedish Trump.
    Swedes just trust in Government so much

    I couldn’t care less about NATO ( I’m Australian )
    (and I thought Sweden was neutral and never in NATO)

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @sb


    (and I thought Sweden was neutral and never in NATO)
     
    Fact check: Nominally true, but it can sometimes be helpful to distinguish between official narratives promulgated for public consumption... and functional reality. Let's take a little deeper dive:

    Sweden is not a formal member of NATO, of course -- largely due to a combination of historical and domestic political reasons, as well as its proximity to Russia.

    Sweden was officially neutral during the Cold War (as it has been since the Napoleonic Wars), and continues to be ostensibly non-aligned since its end, but in practical terms, it has moved steadily closer to NATO over the past 20 years, and is viewed by both NATO itself and the Atlantic Council as one of the two most important "NATO partners" (along with Finland).

    Even during the Cold War Sweden's real position was far less "neutral" than its public stance*.

    In terms of active military cooperation, it's worth noting that Sweden was an active participant in NATO-led missions in Bosnia (IFOR and SFOR), Kosovo (KFOR), Afghanistan (ISAF), and Libya (Operation Unified Protector). And they loaned their stealth submarine to the US Navy for 2 years after it was highly-successful in NATO war games. And of course, host nation support agreement (for NATO troops to operate in Sweden) has been in place since 2016.

    And there are aspects of Sweden's security relationship with The Empire that are still hidden, especially with respect to close intelligence cooperation. One of the Snowden leaks was an NSA memo dated June 6th, 2006:
    "The relationship with Sweden is protected at the TOP SECRET level because of that nation’s political neutrality."

    I couldn’t care less about NATO ( I’m Australian )
     
    Again, that's an excessively concrete/ literal approach.

    Sure, Australia is nowhere near the North Atlantic. But it's part of The Empire just the same.

    *An interesting take on the hazards of attempting to maintain a secret military alliance in the face of official "neutrality" over the course of decades.
  66. @Alden
    @ic1000

    Meh, let it go. It’s well known that the most popular porn is black men White women. So let the wankers enjoy themselves thinking and posting about their favorite sex fantasies. Especially whiskey surferUSA and dannyboy

    Who do I despise more, nasty vicious loud black women or these women hating White men on UNZ ?

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    It’s well known that love knows no boundaries:

  67. @Jim Don Bob
    @Hail

    "That's Lt. Colonel!"

    Replies: @Hail

    I propose referring to him as Defense Minister Vindman.

  68. @Ola
    @Hail

    They also quoted Steve's “Political correctness is a war on noticing.” (without attributing him) regularly during their 2018 campaign.

    Replies: @Hail

    When the AfS enters the Riksdag, they can send Steve a thank-you note.

  69. @sb
    @John Regan

    Well a lot of Americans voted for Trump ( and will probably do so in 2020 )
    Trump of course has many of the characteristics his detractors say he has but he is definitely unwoke and that is the most important thing
    Doubt there could be a Swedish Trump.
    Swedes just trust in Government so much

    I couldn't care less about NATO ( I'm Australian )
    (and I thought Sweden was neutral and never in NATO)

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    (and I thought Sweden was neutral and never in NATO)

    Fact check: Nominally true, but it can sometimes be helpful to distinguish between official narratives promulgated for public consumption… and functional reality. Let’s take a little deeper dive:

    Sweden is not a formal member of NATO, of course — largely due to a combination of historical and domestic political reasons, as well as its proximity to Russia.

    Sweden was officially neutral during the Cold War (as it has been since the Napoleonic Wars), and continues to be ostensibly non-aligned since its end, but in practical terms, it has moved steadily closer to NATO over the past 20 years, and is viewed by both NATO itself and the Atlantic Council as one of the two most important “NATO partners” (along with Finland).

    Even during the Cold War Sweden’s real position was far less “neutral” than its public stance*.

    In terms of active military cooperation, it’s worth noting that Sweden was an active participant in NATO-led missions in Bosnia (IFOR and SFOR), Kosovo (KFOR), Afghanistan (ISAF), and Libya (Operation Unified Protector). And they loaned their stealth submarine to the US Navy for 2 years after it was highly-successful in NATO war games. And of course, host nation support agreement (for NATO troops to operate in Sweden) has been in place since 2016.

    And there are aspects of Sweden’s security relationship with The Empire that are still hidden, especially with respect to close intelligence cooperation. One of the Snowden leaks was an NSA memo dated June 6th, 2006:
    “The relationship with Sweden is protected at the TOP SECRET level because of that nation’s political neutrality.”

    I couldn’t care less about NATO ( I’m Australian )

    Again, that’s an excessively concrete/ literal approach.

    Sure, Australia is nowhere near the North Atlantic. But it’s part of The Empire just the same.

    *An interesting take on the hazards of attempting to maintain a secret military alliance in the face of official “neutrality” over the course of decades.

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