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If Black Lives Matter really wanted to save the lives of young blacks, a constructive thing it could do is call for free swimming lessons. Way too many black youths drown each year.

But that doesn’t involve hating white people, so nobody is interested in that.

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  1. Wow, you must have read my mind. My wife just asked if we went to public pools in my US hometown, and I said we did right up to the point where large groups of urban yewts started showing up and doing little swimming but lots of harassing.

  2. Free grade-school math and writing lessons or coaching would help, too.

  3. BB753 says:

    Black bodies are not buoyant. Another legacy of slavery.

  4. anon215 says:

    Where’s the accompanying hategraph?

    • Replies: @bruce county
  5. El Dato says:

    “I hate them from the bottom of my swimming pool”

  6. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:


    Godfather of alt-right calls for forcible camps for blacks !

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  7. Unless they can coach better impulse control, such a plan may backfire. I foresee an increased incidence of white lifeguards and blacks struggling to breathe.

  8. Most Ys do. Many don’t want to go because – you guessed it, hair.
    Also swimming involves disciplined coordinated movements and NOT panicking and remaining calm -impulse control.

    the solution of course is to close all pools and gate off beaches and lakes because black bodies are drowning.

  9. Numbers and graphs here:

    Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR)


    What is added by this report?

    This is the first report to examine racial/ethnic disparities in fatal drowning rates by age and setting. Overall, American Indians/Alaska Natives were twice as likely, and blacks 1.4 times as likely, to drown as whites. The disparity increased when only drowning deaths in swimming pools were considered. Blacks aged 5–19 years were 5.5 times more likely to drown in a swimming pool than their white peers, and at ages 11–12 years, blacks drowned in swimming pools at 10 times the rate of whites.

    What are the implications for public health practice?

    Swimming skills can be life-saving. The disparity in self-reported swimming skills among black children and adults might help to explain the disparity in drowning rates and should be addressed through support of swimming lessons and other proven interventions.

    • Replies: @David
    , @anon215
    , @anonymous1963
  10. Princeton University — which is now in the process of erasing Woodrow Wilson from their history — used to have a graduation requirement of having to tread water for 30 minutes.

    That handy life-skill was deemed to be unnecessary sometime in the ’80s, since it was ‘racist’… glub glub glub in the swamps of Jersey…

  11. Art Deco says:

    It’s status games all the way down. The Democratic Party and it’s affiliates used to be wrong on policy questions. Now they’re downright evil and making it impossible for people to live together in this country. There’s a solution to this, and it won’t be pretty.

  12. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    No need. You can just blame all the drowning deaths as hate crimes. Just turned that problem into grievance gold.

  13. But then they’d just dominate another sport and how would Aaron get into Lafeyette? They let them try polo in Philly and in no time they were kicking Mainline ass.

  14. Currahee says:

    Off topic question:
    Can Biden release his delegates prior to first vote at Dem convention?

  15. That might involve acknowledging that blacks are physically different – I believe Navy SEAL David Goggins (who is black) was blunt about this – that it’s harder to learn to swim if you’re black, not because of !Racism! but because of genetics.

    Don’t see that happening.

    • Replies: @res
  16. Water be racist! It’s White Privilege that keeps dem crackers afloat!

    You’re right, of course, about blacks needing swimming (or at least drowning prevntion) lessons. I had a language student in Paris, France whose husband managed a swimming pool. He told the lifeguards to be especially attentive to blacks in the pool; too often they just quietly sank to the bottom.

  17. Thoughts says:

    Having a program where young black kids (8/9/10) get to know cops and hang out with cops would be good too

    Maybe a program about ‘What not to do’ when meeting a cop…like..say…grabbing a taser?

    I think they have stuff like this already, but more is always better

    • Replies: @Flip
    , @Known Fact
  18. Harold says:

    I’m black. Not really, but my favourite foods are chicken and watermelon, and, like I have seen many blacks claim, I swear I sink. Which my teachers refused to believe.

    Physically I seem similar to the skinnier black: high shoulder width to waist width ratio, though not a large chest or lung capacity. Lean muscle/very little body fat. In school we were put through a battery of physical tests and rated on various dimensions from 1 to 5. I got 5 on explosive power, but not so good on endurance. I also never got a bone fracture despite jumping off higher things, and being more of a daredevil than my peers who did, so perhaps dense bones.

    Dense bones, long limbs, less lung capacity, little fat cover, maybe even different muscle type, all adds up to less buoyancy.

    For me, at least, little buoyancy meant I hated swimming lessons, which are mandatory at school here. I dreaded swimming days.

    On the the other hand, everyone has mandatory swimming lessons here, and we still have a problem with high drowning deaths of Maori and other Polynesians. And I don’t think they sink.

    Perhaps surprisingly for island people, famous for their boats and navigation, swimming isn’t really a Polynesian thing. Islanders dive and swim under water, but not along the surface.

    I remember one famous Maori rugby player being asked why Maori don’t swim, to which he replied, ‘Because there is no kaimoana on top of the water.’ ‘Kaimoana’ being the Maori for ‘seafood’, and Maori being fond of food, especially free food.

    • Thanks: El Dato
  19. There is no money to be made in free swimming lessons. BLM is a for profit organization only.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @Kronos
  20. Two black men who survived the police only to drown later:

    1.) Rodney King (who also had drugs in his system)

    2.) Michael Moses Ward, a.k.a. Birdie Africa, survivor of the 1985 MOVE bombing in Philadelphia

    @Steve, I think you’ve connected blacks propensity to drown to their higher proportion of muscle mass. That higher muscle mass is also the reason for the differences in the now-controversial eGFR calculations used in detecting kidney problems.

  21. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Meanwhile, in light of BLM UK’s statement of ‘Free Palestine’, the BBC has published a seemingly unrelated article on the cultural revolution in China.

    These things are unrelated, of course.

    Can they get the T-Rex back in the paddock?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Anonymous
  22. @Art Deco

    Violence, once unleashed, is hard to put back in the bottle.

  23. Ano says:

    Reminds me of…

    Negro flounders in a Florida lake, while other negroes look on, jeeringly mock him, and video him as he drowns.

    Good luck with promoting that idea to BLM (or any black American) Mr Sailer!

  24. Anon7 says:

    BLM is a Marxist death cult, they want to destroy the nation and the people who created it. All they care about is power.

    There are a few black people (you can find them on Youtube) who realize that 90+ percent of the killers of blacks in America… are black, almost entirely male. The few black voices of reason never seem to attract the attention of their fellow blacks.

    I think it’s going to be a long, hot summer in our Democrat-run black inner cities. All you see on TV (I happen to get Detroit channels) is grieving black families – and absolutely no mention that the killers are black scum, I can’t think of a better word.

    I don’t know. Maybe if we had a different kind of media, one that reported facts. For every time there is a killing in a black neighborhood, show the last three convicted killers from that city. All black. Current media is just enabling ignorance and BLM takes full advantage.

    • Agree: anonymous1963
  25. What? Whites drown less often than blacks?! OUTRAGEOUS!

    #drainwhitecommunitypools #cancelswimmersupremacy #drownmorewhites

    And what’s with “whitewater” canoeing, Hunh? HUNH?!

    And when water freezes . . . wait for it . . . it ALWAYS turns WHITE!

    Roll up your sleeves, BLM. It’s not time to go home yet.

  26. @PiltdownMan

    Free grade-school math and writing lessons or coaching would help, too.

    Not really. If there is hope, it lies in CRISPR.

  27. Kronos says:

    Like Black SAT/ACT scores, they often sink to the bottom.

  28. B36 says:

    Also marksmanship training to help cut down on all the collateral damage in the ‘hood.

  29. I will never give BLM the time of day and will never believe they’re motivated by another other than racial hatred until they demand the release of the bodycam footage from Duncan Lemp’s murder

  30. If Black Lives Matter really wanted to save the lives of young blacks, a constructive thing it could do is call for free swimming lessons. Way too many black youths drown each year.

    Sounds like whitethink to me.

  31. prosa123 says:

    Last week there was a triple drowning in a newly installed backyard pool in an upscale New Jersey community . A boy of about eight got into trouble, his mother went in to save him and got into trouble herself, and the grandfather went after both of them with similar results. None of them knew how to swim. They were Indian.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Wilkey
    , @peterike
  32. Drew says:
    @Art Deco

    Driving wedges in the cracks of society to break it apart is evil, no doubt. However, those cracks predate the wedge, as it were, so it was just a matter of time until things crumbled apart. The demolition men may be evil for enjoying demolishing the foundation of American Society, but the reason they have this job is because the foundation was poorly designed and hastily built. The only two questions before us are 1) should we go ahead and demo the foundation or just let it crumble on its own and 2) what’s the plan for the new foundation?

    • Disagree: Pheasant
    • Replies: @Goddard
  33. SIMP simp says:

    Black youths need shooting lessons so they hit each other effectively and stop spraying bullets everywhere killing children and innocent pets.

  34. Wake up says:

    The next major Black politician, celebrity, religious leader or athlete that condemns rampant Black on White crime; will be the first.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  35. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:


    And none of them give a shit about Liberia – the nation specifically founded by the USA as a refuge for former slaves.

    And, obviously, none of them give a shit about the murderousness of Chicago, Baltimore, East St Louis, Newark, Oakland, Detroit etc etc.

  36. Elli says:

    If BLM cared about black lives, they would campaign against the word “snitch” and its synonyms.

    They would laud witnesses who came forward.

  37. El Dato says:

    That’s crazy though.

    Having a pool is like having a gun. Be ready to be forced to use it!

    I still remember someone dumping me into the deep pool when I was a kid. Visceral. That nearly ended badly, but it’s what kids do. I got ahold of the stonework in time…

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @BenKenobi
  38. tyrone says:

    Racist thoughts from white folks is whats drowning them BLACK chill’nz………white man juju be strong …….y’all stop dat now ……..just trying the new social science…….ready for the new America.

  39. theMann says:

    Steve, you are baiting me here, right? Ok, I will bite.

    What is the difference between throwing a black dude and an anvil in a pool? The anvil has a better chance of floating.

    Now, back to hating white people.

  40. It’s not usually Negroes who can’t swim at all who wind up drowning. It’s Negroes who are just acquainted enough with swimming to get themselves in serious trouble.

    Every summer, here in Boston, one regularly sees reports of low income, i.e., non-White, kids, teenagers and young adults choosing to swim in situations that more experienced swimmers would probably avoid. A minimal ability to swim coupled with low intelligence, lack of impulse control, and a grandiose sense of self-confidence is a recipe for disaster.

    Unfortunately, Steve’s proposed targets for swimming lessons are likely to drop out after learning the basics and not regularly perform the practice and other drudgery, which are needed to enhance and maintain basic skills. However, these same individuals are also likely to have an inflated sense of their swimming ability. This is very likely to get them in trouble when choosing swimming spots and showing off with friends.

  41. unit472 says:

    Was looking at Oregon’s covid data. Very interesting. On May 25th Oregon had 3450 cases. Very low rate and a flattened curve. That was the day George Floyd died. Then the rioting started in Portland. The curve shoots up after that and instead of 20 to 40 new cases per day Oregon now has over 200 with most in Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas counties, the Portland Metro region. Yesterday Oregon had 276 with the only non Portland cluster being in Utamilla county. Pretty good evidence that there is a ‘Floyd’ effect on covid cases.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Anon
  42. Bend the Arc rises in solidarity with the powerful uprising all across this country demanding dignity for Black lives and justice for George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade, Ahmaud Arbery, Sean Reed, James Scurlock, David McAtee, and the countless other Black lives taken at the hands of police officers and white supremacists.

    Our Jewish community is committed to Black lives and Black liberation, including Black Jews. We call for our Jewish community, especially white Jews, to rise up for Black lives using all of our spiritual, political and intellectual resources.

    We recognize that this work will take time, and recommend the following timeline: all Jewish organizations should make a commitment to fulfill at least 4 out of the 7 obligations within one year (by June 19, 2021) and to fulfill 7 out of the 7 obligations within 3 years (by June 19, 2023). The proposed obligations are as follows:

    1) Explicit endorsement that Black Lives Matter. Recognizing that Black Lives Matter is a statement that is inherently true and should be accepted without caveat or qualification.

    2) Establish racial justice and social equity as an explicit pillar of your organization. This should include but not be limited to: a) investment in education, spiritual nourishment, and community repair for the effects of racism within the Jewish community; b) investment in solidarity and support initiatives between JOC and non-Jewish POC communities; c) the creation of a fund to explicitly support anti-black racism initiatives and policy change in the communities you operate in; d) creation of an ongoing protocol for naming and addressing instances of racism when it happens and engaging in restorative justice.

    3) Commit to explicit intersectional anti-racist and inclusive hiring and compensation practices. This should include but not be limited to: a) 20% of all Board Seats be occupied by people of color of which a significant portion should be JOC; b) 20% of all employees be people of color; c) 20% of all senior leadership be people of color of which a significant portion should include JOC; d) a dedicated fund to hire an external POC-led recruiting firm to source employees and board positions; e) internal support structure to ensure retention, training, and support explicitly for employees of color; f) mandated quarterly in-person and/or digital unconscious bias and anti-black racism training for all employees to be led by Black, JOC or POC consultants or consulting organizations; g) periodic review of compensation levels for all staff across various dimensions of diversity; h) 30% of compensation for senior leadership be contractually tied to the achievement of anti-racist hiring, staffing, and compensation goals; i) a mechanism to track these metrics and publicly post the results for community accountability.

    4) Commit to anti-racist educational initiatives, curriculums, and frameworks. This should include but not be limited to: a) appreciation for the inherent multiracial identity of the Jewish community; b) inclusion of history of JOC communities around the world, and historical figures that identified as Black and Jewish; c) an anti-racist framework and lens for organizational decision making; d) public statement acknowledging the erasure of Jews of color and their traditions from textbooks, trainings, and Jewish education, and a commitment to actively and aggressively correct this erasure.

    5) Invest in JOC and POC leadership development. This should include but not be limited to: a) a commitment for Jewish institutional funding to allocate 20% of all granted dollars to JOC and POC led organizations & initiatives; b) develop a strategic initiative within the Jewish Federated system with JOC leadership to fund JOC led organizations, initiatives, and individuals; c) JOC and POC involvement in the design, implementation and review process of all initiatives that impact JOCs and POCs; d) JOC and POC involvement in all strategic decision making processes that impact the broader community; e) commitment to pay JOC and POC whenever they are asked for advice, consultation, or engagement with organizational initiatives; f) fully funded opportunities for JOC to engage with Jewish life at no cost, including Day School, Synagogue membership, fellowships, camps, conventions, and rabbinical schools.

    6) Create a robust list of racial justice, equity, and inclusion requirements that all grantees receiving Jewish institutional funding must adhere to. This should include but not be limited to: a) a commitment to replacing contracts with police departments with alternative structures of community safety that prioritize inclusive anti-racist security practices; b) mandated quarterly in-person and/or digital unconscious bias and anti-black racism training for all employees to be led by Black, JOC or POC consultants or consulting organizations; c) anti-racist and inclusive hiring and compensation practices; d) public metrics to track ongoing anti-racism work.

    7) Engage in the development of a fully funded initiative to assist in our communal accountability. This should include but not be limited to: a) at least a $1.5M annual operating budget guaranteed for at least 5 years; b) a leadership team composed of majority Black Jews and JOCs; c) a focus and investment in coalition building among JOC led organizations and ventures; d) active support of this initiative to empower it to consult, support, and provide metrics for accountability to Jewish funders and organizations as they implement the above obligations; e) the creation of said organization should be advised by a JOC led and majority JOC task force.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  43. Deepysix says:

    Biden/ Corn-Pop 2020!

    With nothing but a length of chain, a glorious tan and an indomitable will, I set out against my then-adversary, a pomaded “bad dude” in an Esther Williams-style swimming cap who wouldn’t stop bouncing on the high dive after multiple admonishments. But Corn-Pop had one of those straight razors. You remember how you’d put a razor in a rain barrel to get it rusty and then bang it on the curb? No? I guess only old-school tough guys like myself know about such things.

    Well Corn-Pop and me worked things out and I even taught him the breast stroke. Recently we started a program for kids called “Now Yer Swimmin’!” using rap music and basketball to inspire the kids. We have another program called “Look Who’s Swimmin’ Now!” that encourages the underserved and unheard to listen to rap music and play basketball in the vicinity of a pool.

    If Corn-Pop and me can work things out, so too, can we, America.

    With that I would like to announce your next Vice President of the Untied States, Porn Cop! I mean Corn Prop, I mean er…uh, let’s give him a hand folks!

    • Replies: @Anon
  44. backup says:

    That is not true either. And the reason I won’t go for this joke is that we are soon going to need the majority of the black s, the black middle class to defeat the wokies. They will become the crow bar. Blacks I know look at the current events with horror.

    • Agree: Kyle, wren
    • Replies: @Kronos
  45. @PiltdownMan

    Because that’s never been tried before.

  46. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Last week there was a triple drowning in a newly installed backyard pool in an upscale New Jersey community . A boy of about eight got into trouble, his mother went in to save him and got into trouble herself, and the grandfather went after both of them with similar results. None of them knew how to swim. They were Indian.

    Is this the shit you share at parties?!

  47. KL says:

    Sadly, the BLM website does not prioritize black lives. All three founders appear to be childless women, and Garza and Cullors identify as queer. Additionally, Elle Hearns, one of the founding organizers of the global network, is a transgender woman.

    Their webpage prioritizes “disruption of the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.” They use “queer” once, “mother” three times, and “trans” four times. Isn’t there were a word for cis-parents who are not mothers?!

    I thought people were protesting police brutality. I didn’t realize protesters were risking tear gas and pepper spray to combat transphobia.

  48. Wilkey says:

    Who installs a backyard pool without making sure everyone in the family knows how to swim?

  49. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Too often, it’s the occupants on the far side of the bell curve who make the difference.
    Always keep an eye on the far sides.

    Introducing the “We Know White Folks Are Are Well Armed And Ready” movement:

    • Thanks: wren
  50. Wilkey says:

    But that doesn’t involve hating white people, so nobody is interested in that.

    That’s certainly part of it. The other problem is acknowledging that blacks are more likely to drown to begin with. That, like murder rates, involves disparities that people don’t want to acknowledge.

    Even the pre-existing conditions disparity (higher rates of heart disease, diabetes, etc.) is only acknowledged by claiming those are due to “systemic racism.”

    So I guess we could say that blacks are less likely to swim because antebellum slavemasters wouldn’t let their slaves swim in the backyard pool with the lazy river and the water slide, because the slavemasters didn’t want their water polo games interrupted by black slaves teaching their children how to cannonball into the deep end with their water wings on. And they especially got annoyed when the slaves played that game where one slave child would shout “Shaka!” and the other would answer “Zulu!”

  51. Anon[234] • Disclaimer says:

    While swimming lessons could and would help, I think the more serious problem is simply that many of the pools aren’t actually locked off and inaccessible to the under-5s who are most vulnerable.

    I’ve seen plenty of apartment complexes over the course of delivering packages from gigantic company X-which have obvious local racial majorities- and I’d casually guess the black majority complexes substantially more often than the others have community pools with a gate which was intentionally broken and that isn’t going to be fixed in the near future if ever. In aggregate, broken gates which can be opened or closed by little children could lead to a lot of death.

    • Agree: Daniel Williams
    • Replies: @eded
  52. anon[268] • Disclaimer says:

    That reminds me, could there be any link between sickle cell and vulnerability to SARS-2 / COVID-19? It would be a good thing to know for the future, however it would require public admission that some humans have different genes than others, so I guess it’s a forbidden topic. Too bad, because it could save lives to know.

  53. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    They had recently bought it with pool already installed by prior owner. The really weird thing is that it was an above ground pool. For some reason part of the above ground pool was as high as 7’ of water, likely dug into the ground and deceptive when viewing from outside. In the NY/NJ area, I have rarely seen above ground pools of higher than 4’.

    It happened in East Brunswick, which is rapidly and quickly turning from upper Middle Class White to Indian within a decade. The speed with which Central NJ is turning over is astounding. I had never heard of Indian knowledge of swimming. I guess it’s not a skill they have pushed in their community.

  54. Dan Smith says:

    I spent my early teen years in Charleston South Carolina and it was not uncommon in the summer to read about a black youth wading into a tidal stream, step into a deep spot and drown.

  55. @Wilkey

    I believe the pool was already there when they moved in.
    There was speculation about an electrical problem.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  56. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    If Black Lives Matter really wanted to save the lives of young blacks, a constructive thing it could do is call for free swimming lessons. Way too many black youths drown each year.

    Has anyone suggested to blacks that they should cooperate with police when detained and should not resist arrest? How about pouring money into a public educational effort?

    But that doesn’t involve hating white people, so nobody is interested in that.

    Steve, what’s your theory for what the motivation is behind the impulse to hate white people?

  57. syonredux says:

    Steve, it’s quite simple. Blacks want to be worshiped:

    Beyoncé Visual Album ‘Black Is King’ Coming to Disney Plus

    In a surprise, Disney Plus announced a new visual album from Beyoncé — “Black Is King,” inspired by “The Lion King” — is coming to the streaming service next month.

    According to the companies, Beyoncé’s visual album reimagines lessons of “The Lion King” for “today’s young kings and queens in search of their own crowns.” The film was in production for one year with a cast and crew that represent “diversity and connectivity.”

    “Black Is King” pays tribute to voyages of Black families throughout time. The visual album tells the story of a young king’s “transcendent journey through betrayal, love and self-identity.” His ancestors help guide him toward his destiny, and with his father’s teachings and guidance from his childhood love, he earns the virtues needed to reclaim his home and throne.

    “These timeless lessons are revealed and reflected through Black voices of today, now sitting in their own power,” according to the announcement. “‘Black Is King’ is an affirmation of a grand purpose, with lush visuals that celebrate Black resilience and culture. The film highlights the beauty of tradition and Black excellence.”

  58. @Wilkey

    Blacks have a higher concentration of “fast-twitch” muscle tissue, which is denser. Higher density = sink faster. There have been studies that prove this. Not that it matters, the science itself is just labeled “racist” and dismissed.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  59. @Wilkey

    Although I realize you all are making fun (gotta love those cannonballs, and “can openers” too), most of us here probably know the answer is part nurture (no lessons), but part nature too. Black guys have pretty low body fat and more muscle mass. I’m no bodybuilder, but I don’t have much body fat (no matter what the hell I eat too, hah). When the instructor, along with my parents, kept saying “just lay face up, breath in, you’ll float right along”, well I could see that was BS. My mouth barely stayed out of the water.

    Everyone ought to learn how to swim – I’d feel nervous in any kind of boat, life jacket or not, otherwise. However, I think it’d be harder for the younger black guys than any women or white guys. You make a good point, Steve. I also don’t know why it’d be so insulting to bring up the lack of body fat – something to be proud of, I’d reckon – as an explanation of why they really need lessons.

    • Agree: Harold
    • Replies: @usNthem
  60. Dumbo says:

    The problem of blacks (for the other races) is not low IQ.
    It’s that too many of them tend to be violent, aggressive, anti-social, too sexual, and criminal.
    If they were dumb but harmless, like people with Down syndrome, they would be liked by most.
    The main problem of blacks, particularly today, is that they don’t seem to even make an effort.
    Police your own. Learn to swim. Learn a trade. Don’t loot, and criticize those who do.
    Don’t think that “being black” is enough to be above criticism.
    Hell, the last time I’ve seen a black celebrity criticizing other blacks for their behaviour, it was Bill Cosby, and that wasn’t well received (and then, of course, we learned that he himself also wasn’t the role model all thought).

    • Agree: vhrm
  61. Anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:

    Why go to pools when you have fire hydrants and rubber pools you can set out right in front of your apartment building? With awnings, and BBQs, and blunts, beer, and music?

  62. Flip says:

    Chris Rock has some advice

  63. @syonredux

    And when the “young kings and queens” don’t get the crowns Beyonce promised them?

    • Agree: Thoughts
  64. Blub says:

    Sure blacks are negative but anybody who’s in shape is negative. Doesn’t make it any harder to swim. Growing up in littoral environments makes you much more drownproof because you’re less prone to aspirate water in a wipeout or whatever. You wind up with almost a reflex that stops it. That’s probably the underlying factor: not enough time at Grampa’s vulgarian McMansion in the disappearing dunes.

  65. Marty says:

    This fairly demands that I re-tell my story from Spieker Pool at Berkeley in 1995. I’m in the water when two blacks emerge from the locker room onto the pool deck. One says to the other, “we blowin’ they minds – they don’t think black people can swim.”

  66. res says:
    @Jim from Boston

    History of Princeton’s swim test.

    Any reference to it being ended because of racism? I thought it being discriminatory towards people with disabilities was the more common reason.

    College swim tests used to be common.

    As recently as 1977, a survey taken that year showed, 42% of institutions had some sort of swimming requirement, said Larry Hensley, a University of Northern Iowa professor who has studied the history of physical education. But by 1982 that figure had plummeted to 8%.

    More current information:

    P.S. In case anyone was wondering, the swimming disparity is because of racism.
    The Black–White Swimming Disparity in America: A Deadly Legacy of Swimming Pool Discrimination

    • Replies: @Jim from Boston
  67. David says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Those disparities are huge considering how much more exposure whites have to swimming and other water sports.

  68. botazefa says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    There is no money to be made in free swimming lessons. BLM is a for profit organization only.

    There’s always money to be made from ‘free programs.’

  69. unit472 says:

    Do any of the ‘Great Apes” swim other than humans? Never heard of aquatic monkeys either but it seems most, if not all, mammals are capable of swimming even if cats hate the water. Be odd indeed if the negro alone were incapable of staying afloat at least for a little while. You only need to swim about 20 yards to get to the side or shallow end of a pool.

  70. res says:
    @a guy named me

    Thanks. The Goggins reference I see on this is around 16:14 of
    where he says a lot of African Americans are negatively buoyant because of bone density.

    Here is a paper looking at that.
    Buoyancy of African Black and European White Males

  71. njguy73 says:
    @a guy named me

    There’s this new invention.

    It’s called a “swim cap.”

    Look into it.

  72. Mikeja says:

    Here’s a story from the Guardian full of concern for a BLACK kid who got scratched running from a plainclothes cop. The cop was looking for a BLACK criminal who stabbed someone earlier

    It does seem a scary story for the kid and I feel bad for him. I feel a lot worse for the stabbing victim and there’s nothing in the story about him. I can almost guarantee he’s BLACK too but his life doesn’t matter

    Incidentally I’d like to suggest a new style guide for the blog. BLACK should be fully capitalized (particularly in crime stories). That way we can look down on those less woke than us who sadly only capitalize the B

  73. According to this video, in order to enter a Red Cross Lifeguard Certification class you must:

    1. swim 300 yards continuous
    2. tread water with legs only for 2 minutes
    3. fetch a 10 # brick from the deep end in a minute

    They make it look pretty easy but I am going to pass.

  74. res says:

    Thanks. What source are you using for your stats? You can see the change in the data here:
    but I suspect your county data would be better for showing the connection.

    This page gives 5/28 as the starting date for the Portland demonstrations.,_Oregon

    You would expect the new cases to start appearing about a week later. As they do.

    Is anyone in Portland talking about the connection?

    • Replies: @unit472
  75. Muggles says:

    The genetic argument about the lower buoyancy of blacks seems to have some basis in observations about lean muscle mass, fast twitch, etc. But I think that would mainly apply to males.

    Even younger black females tend to be much chubbier than the male boys, though like everyone else they get fatter as they age. Very skinny body types for women/young girls aren’t aesthetically favored in general in black communities.

    Larger frames and mass and even rolls of fat are common with black females. I think skinny is associated with extreme poverty or heavy drug use. Or just cultural norms.

    So black females ought to be nearly drown-proof. Of course there are many individual body types and you can drown by panicking even if you can float. Also, there is more genetic variation among Africans than any other racial group. Some tribes are generally fat while others are slender.

    In the Gulf Coast area where I live the disparity between blacks and others in knowing how to swim has been acknowledged and some efforts made to specifically teach children in minority areas how to swim at public pools.

    Of course, other factors: blacks don’t need to tan, so less incentive for them to get in the sun to swim. If your parents don’t swim or value that, the kids often won’t learn. There is no big money in competitive swimming/diving so there is no Big Money allure for young black males to spend time in the pool rather than at the basketball hoop or catching a football. No one one gets out of the hood for a nice scholarship or multi-million dollar signing bonus by swimming/diving. Like god awful rapping, black males in particular gravitate to perceived easy money via “talent” rather than scholarship.

  76. @The Alarmist

    Here’s a group of blacks coexisting in harmony with water:

    Everyone made it home intact and feeling fine.

  77. Maciano says:

    Steve, you could make a list of quick-wins to save as many QALYs of blacks, like free swimming lessons for the black youth.

    I recently read blacks die more often from COVID bc of VitD deficiency. What’s up with that? That’d be the easiest do-good intervention ever.

    Some big things are unchangeable, and ppl will remain boneheaded abt that, but so what? We can do what we can do.

  78. unit472 says:

    I’m not in Portland ( or Oregon) and I looked ( Worldometer/US/Oregon and some local news articles for county by county numbers) because Oregon’s data is less contaminated than most other states which have more diverse populations or industrial hot spots.

  79. The obvious lesson here is for white people to utilize rivers strategically when fleeing urban mobs.

    • LOL: bomag, bruce county
  80. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:

    Since a lot of Antifa live at home, they’re making their parents sick and killing their grandparents.

  81. @Ozymandias

    They also have higher bone mineral density. But these differences are less important than those in risk-taking behaviour. I’ve seen a figure that men are three more times likely to drown than women. In younger age groups, the disparity is even greater.

  82. Requires planning, consideration of others, and effort.

    Won’t work.

  83. @Anonymous

    It happened in East Brunswick, which is rapidly and quickly turning from upper Middle Class White to Indian within a decade. The speed with which Central NJ is turning over is astounding.

    Troy Hills-Parsippany is basically little Mumbai.

    Dover is pure Mayan territory.

  84. Whiskey says: • Website

    BLM is not about blacks. It is all about White women’s rage:

    Ace of Spades has more on female rage:

    As you can see, much of the rage is not even “political.” The Trader Joes Melt Down is just inchoate rage. White women are just filled with rage. Rage at their men. Rage at lack of status. Rage at loss of their looks as they age. Rage at men looking at them. Rage at men no longer looking at them.

    Any time I’ve seen blm rallies and stuff its been almost 100% White women. The rage is not decreasing either, it is increasing.

    This is why Steve has failed. Completely and absolutely. His affordable family formation has been a failure. Most of the White women don’t want husbands, or certainly not White husbands. They are just filled with rage, they were promised a fairy tale and they got … us. As ordinary as they are.

    The fundamental driver of politics today is White female rage. Rage mostly at their men, the closest targets and the only ones that are encouraged. More and more, I am convinced that Islam was indeed, right about women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Thoughts
  85. usNthem says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I think they should be encouraged to hang out at the beach, lakes and rivers. Granted, it wouldn’t be as efficient as your typical funeral procession shootout – oh wait….

  86. prosa123 says:
    @Half Canadian

    When I first heard about it I had thought of an electrical problem myself. However, investigators have ruled that out.

  87. “Fat has a specific gravity of less than 1.0 and floats in water, while both bone and muscle have a specific gravity of slightly more than 1.0. Thus, persons with a high proportion of fat will float while some individuals with very low fat levels, heavy bones, and high muscle mass will sink.” Source:

    Thus, muscular male blacks sink, and fat female blacks float.

  88. eded says:

    The left-wing blogger Freddie Deboer made a similar observation a few years ago about pool facilities and operations contributing to disproportionate amount of black drownings. He used to be a lifeguard in high school and college. In the office they would have the investigation reports from drownings from all over the country for the lifeguards to read. He noticed a pattern where “inner city pools” or so-called “ghetto pools”would have inadequately trained staff and far too few lifeguards on duty directly contributing to drownings. Practices that would be unacceptable at his rec centre were routine in theses facilities that overwhelmingly served blacks. i.e. one poorly trained lifeguard on duty with far too many swimmers, or faulty equipment that hadn’t been inspected and maintained.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  89. El Dato says:

    “Such is live in the Zone”

    OT: When it’s over, it’s over!

    Why is the Uffizi [Gallery, the leading museum of classical painting in Florence] using a TikTok video featuring a rap song [by Todrick Hall] that calls women ‘c**t bitches’ to promote its art? It’s moronic

    Todrick Hall is an “American Singer”:

    Postmodernism states there is no difference in quality or meaning between a classical painting and a rap song. One was created through weeks of careful craft, combining expert knowledge of art, poetry and mythology in a distillation of intricate culture, and the other is a jumble of profanity and borrowed music – yet postmodernist teachers tell us not to value the former higher than the latter. Museums are rapidly losing faith in the cultural values their artefacts embody.

  90. PSR says:

    If black lives really mattered to Black Lives Matter interaction with police would be fairly low on the list of priorities, falling way behind valuing education, not having kids unless you are married to someone holding a job, and not demanding respect when you’ve done nothing to deserve respect.
    And everyone knows these fundamental truths.

  91. @Jim from Boston

    We had to do the dead man float for 30 minutes to pass 7th grade PE. Even the one black kid in our class had to do it. I think he was sweating bullets though it was hard to tell in the pool.

  92. Goddard says:

    The Achilles’ heel was slavery. Treating humans, even humans of a race as devoid of civilizational accomplishments as black Africans, like livestock is wrong and puts the practitioners into a morally compromised situation. Even more disastrous, however, than what the early slavers did to blacks was what their practices did to whites, for they allowed blacks a foothold in the New World. Early Americans such as Franklin and Webster realized what a boon the discovery of America was for the white race, but by the time those visionaries had dreamed their dreams, it was too late, the tawny races already were here. The idea of an America, or at least a North America, as the more or less exclusive inheritance of white-Western man has been chipped away at ever since. Had blacks never come, had slavery never been established in areas that became the United States, then the racial drama would have been confined to a much milder American Indian-white. The United States, with its control over such a large swathe of temperate North America, would have become the leading Western nation, as it became even with the baggage of slavery and a large black population; but it would have done so with the idea of it being the exclusive inheritance of the white man. Instead, for a few decades of cheap labor, white America authored for itself the fate of living in a racially fissured society, a society that could hold together only as long as the whites remained united; one or two generations of disunity and the nation would become just another racially incoherent New World hodgepodge, a Brazil. That is what we have before us now. What the protestors and rioters demand, and what they are getting, is the end, not of America, but of White America. The promise of an America that conserves more than a veneer of European civilization, as in the mestizo and mulatto former Spanish colonies that speak Spanish but racially are highly distinct from the whites who introduced the language, is more or less disappearing in the most famous, advanced, and powerful of not only the New World nations but all Western nations–the United States of America.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  93. @El Dato

    I still remember someone dumping me into the deep pool when I was a kid.

    My swimming teacher was a cop colleague of my father, and that was pretty much lesson one.

    Someone suggested above that there should be some programme that brings young black children together with cops to foster some shizzle like not reaching for their tasers. How about teaching them swimming instead? Maybe getting fished out of the water a few times by a cop will foster some sense that their black lives really do matter to many cops, which is why many risk their lives every day trying to keep some semblance of peace on the streets of shithole neighbourhoods.

  94. El Dato says:

    I sense that BLM will exhibit entirely deplorable “anti-semitic tendencies” soon, which the meedja will just have to investigate deeply.

  95. The invisible knapsack is really just a flotation device.

  96. OT: I’ve noticed that the media is responding differently to the Bubba Wallace hoax than the Jussie Smollett hoax. The official word this time is that making fun of Wallace over the hoax is racist.

  97. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Porn Cop, lol.

  98. Kronos says:

    They will become the crow bar.

    Any advice on how to proceed? I’m sympathetic to the theory that BLM is really meant to instigate the worst of Black society to commit crime. So to encourage “Black flight” amongst the innocent and free up valuable real estate. Something probably cooked up first by Rahm Emanuel and his real estate friends for South Chicago. Since Obama, they’ve tried that strategy repeatedly in various Metro areas.

    The woke hipster/yuppies really want that real estate and are closely allied with the DoS (Descendent of Slaves) upper crust and recent African immigrants like the talented Barack Obama Sr.

    I’m not sure how to break the “Yoke of Woke” with using Black resentment against the “good” whites.

  99. Wilkey says:

    OK. That makes a lot more sense. But the “recently installed backyard pool” part suggested to my small mind that it was the current owners who installed it.

    Sounds like a sad story all around. I actually like Indians – love them, actually, if that’s not racist to say. I would love them a shitload more if they would get their heads out of their keesters and start voting Republican.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  100. danand says:

    “His ancestors help guide him toward his destiny, and with his father’s teachings and guidance from his childhood love, he earns the virtues…”

    Syonredux, Beyonce talks of her origins:

    “I researched my ancestry recently and learned that I come from a slaveowner who fell in love with and married a slave,” she said. “I had to process that revelation over time. I questioned what it meant and tried to put it into perspective.”

    Beyonce is fortunate to be blessed with good ancestry. The question is, is she is owed, or does she owe, her fair share of reparations?

    She does appear buoyant:


    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @donut
  101. Jack D says:
    @Joe Stalin

    They are literally founding a new, heretical religion. They talk about a new Covenant. Instead of reciting that the Lord is our God, the Lord is one, the new fundamental tenet that must be recited is “Black Lives Matter”. You are commanded to literally say these words. This has nothing to do with Judaism – it is pure heresy.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  102. Jack D says:

    I would say that she is in the perfect situation – her white half owes reparations to her black half. She can write the reparations check out to herself.

    It’s always instructive to find pictures of mixed race black celebs before they were famous as they tend to get paler at the same time they get richer – Michael Jackson being an extreme example. Beyonce is no exception but she apparently always had “good hair”:

    • Replies: @usNthem
  103. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:

    If BLM cared about black lives they’d establish a pro-bono lawyer network and pay for a bunch of criminal attorneys to defend indigent black suspects with that $100 million plus they have received from corporate America and Soros. They’d offer free classes to black kids in schools on de-escalation and inform them of their rights as suspects and detainees and how not to provoke a violent situation with the police. They’d offer vocational advice on what job-skills are in demand in the job market.

    All BLM is is a damn front for white leftists, who nobody likes, to march behind. Everybody hates white leftists and white leftists know it. Thats why they had to find a org like BLM and hijack it.

  104. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Armed negro, suspected of armed robbery, was shot after running away, and pointing a gun at the police last night in San Diego.

    t’s on tape, and police have the weapon. It’s an open and shut case. Protesters showed up before the body was taken away. More Mexicans than. any other race was there kicking up shit. As has been said a long time ago, it’s not the Mexican immigrants we have to worry about. It’s their horrible, violent, arrogant kids they didn’t have time or inclination to raise that are clogging our prisons.

    Since, as this video demonstrates, the lack of cohesion from police are going to get white people killed, it’s likely we’re going to need “citizen’s police” to protect White people this summer. Since the police won’t stop us either, why not?

    Remember, we imported this problem into our communities.

    It’s time to arm, organize, and build that fucking wall.

    Make sure you watch this to the end. It’s very enlightening.

  105. @Thoughts

    If they didn’t heed that Chris Rock routine, nothing is going to get through

  106. It’s hereditary. If you go swimming in Africa you get eaten by a crocodile or killed by a Hippo or you die of a infestation of blood worms or liver flukes.

  107. Sorry Sailer, white people designed and built the swimming pools, whence “racism.”

  108. @Sean

    Looks like that good officer is helping her to avoid hitting the pavement.

  109. When blacks stop popping caps in black asses, maybe whites should give two f*cks, regardless any sensible white will not!

  110. @anon215

    Because jogging has become unsafe….

  111. BenKenobi says:
    @El Dato

    That’s how I learned to swim. My highly nautical father — who spent many years on a submarine in the 70’s — walked up to my four year old self and asked “Hey Ben wanna learn how to swim?” Then he proceed to toss me in the deep end of my aunt’s pool.

    I made it.

  112. JimDandy says:

    Never gets old. Thanks.

  113. If Black Lives Matter really wanted to save the lives of young blacks, a constructive thing it could do is call for free swimming lessons…

    If BLM “called for free swimming lessons” for black youth, it wouldn’t convince me that they “wanted to save lives”.

    First, “calling for” something is in a different category than actually doing something.

    Second, without doing any research, I am pretty sure that drowning is not a significant cause of death.

    Third, the only thing shown to reduce murder in our big cities is a Giuliana/Bratten style “stop and frisk” regime in the inner city. And of course BLM wants the opposite.

    It’s almost as if BLM wants more black youths to die.

  114. Just a c-p. I agree with most of it, just not with the conclusion….

    For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

    The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

    The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.

    Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedman’s Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.

    Their new laws intruded into people’s lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless handwringing to close the “achievement gap.” To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to “Celebrate Diversity!” and “Say No To Racism.” Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

    Some thought that what W.E.B. Du Bois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.

    Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and majority-black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment.

    Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn’t mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, more opportunities.

    But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue it’s a problem of “culture,” as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame “white privilege.”

    But since 1965, when the elites opened America’s doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India–people who are not white, not rich, and not “connected”–have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black “youths” are committing half the country’s violent crime–crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it, that has nothing to do with poverty.

    The experiment has failed. Not because of culture, or white privilege, or racism. The fundamental problem is that white people and black people are different. They differ intellectually and temperamentally. These differences result in permanent social incompatibility.

    Our rulers don’t seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity.

    The elites explain everything with “racism,” and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    , @Pheasant
  115. If Black Lives Matter really wanted to save the lives of young blacks, a constructive thing it could do is call for free swimming lessons. Way too many black youths drown each year.

    Geez, Steve. We white people had one remaining “safe space” out in the water and you want to wreck it?

  116. Hhsiii says:

    My brother-in-law is Indian. Great guy. Can’t swim and can’t drive.

  117. vinteuil says:
    @Art Deco

    There’s a solution to this, and it won’t be pretty.

    …some rough man on a white horse, with a gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, slouching towards Washington to burn it all down.

    • Replies: @Goddard
  118. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:

    Whatever black lives lose in the USA they make up in Africa with their TFR. If it was white people with such a burgeoning population graph, it would be literally anudah shoah.

  119. anon215 says:
    @Calvin Hobbes


  120. Cortes says:

    From the second report:

    “For Cocoa Police Chief Cantaloupe.”

    I checked. It’s real:

  121. @I, Libertine

    Black people who live in the Caribbean islands have no difficulty swimming. Many Haitians and Dominicans learn to swim in rivers.

  122. Anonymous[930] • Disclaimer says:

    Chicago had an impressive public swimming pool network which was shut down when black misbehavior, drownings, and water befoulment became issues in the sixties.

    Simply closing the pools was the politically convenient solution for all concerned.

    On trips to Chicago we’d be shown Park after Park with swing sets and stuff but no pool, just the building which was where the changing rooms were but now was just a storage space.

    The reason was always given to be blacks, exactly as described above. I thought my father and his family were full of shit, but they were exactly right.

  123. Kronos says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    It’s literally a sink or swim business model.

  124. iffen says:

    But that doesn’t involve hating white people, so nobody is interested in that.

    How can you be so dense on some subjects?

    White people be keeping black people from having access to swimming pools.

  125. @PiltdownMan

    How about free hot lunches at school? Can’t learn anything on an empty stomach!

  126. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Gator bait !

  127. J.Ross says:

    (probably unnecessary to point out but of course the real Sarah Anderson is an SJW, whose comics get edited and repurposed in the meme age, and she doesn’t approve of things. Also, it turns out that Taylor Swift is not an SS-Sturmbahnfuhrer, but some kind of pop singer.)

    • Replies: @Kronos
    , @Anonymous
    , @Gordo
  128. J.Ross says:

    Stop and consider where Indians would learn to swim. They use their waterways for other purposes.

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
  129. vhrm says:
    @a guy named me

    the solution of course is to close all pools and gate off beaches and lakes because black bodies are drowning.

    Joke’s on you! Over here they’re all already closed because blacks are hardest hit by Covid-19.

    And we all know that’s because of beaches (and golf courses) (and systemic racism, of course).

  130. In difficulty butterfly stroke calibration should compare with intermediate dance stuff like Bachata or Salsa. Those are all up there for me but front crawl I can fake okay.

  131. Goddard says:

    Yes. And the power of this man and his movement will be so great, some will liken him to the Second Coming.

  132. wren says:

    If Black Lives Matter Cared About Black Lives…

    …they would destroy all the Planned Parenthood branches.

    That would save about 1K BL/day.

  133. The current unpleasantness has nothing to do with black people, except for the appropriation and spending of the moral capital accumulated from the real historic sufferings of many blacks. This is a gay/trans thing, a muslim-supremist thing, and a neo-liberal thing. The only thing any blacks are getting out of this is a license to loot. Sadly, for many that’s enough.

    • Agree: botazefa
  134. vhrm says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    It’s Negroes who are just acquainted enough with swimming to get themselves in serious trouble.

    This is a tendency regardless of race afaik.

    At the North end of the Jersey shore it was the NYC people of all colors who tended to get into trouble partly ignorance (of waves, dropoffs and currents), partly overconfidence and partly alcohol.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  135. Cortes says:

    From the secondcitycop blog on the collateral damage to a one year old in Chicago, a comment:

    Anonymous Anonymous said…
    The dead kids are bad enough but the cliches are simply killing me.

    6/28/2020 05:11:00 AM”

  136. wren says:

    Here is one reason some black folks don’t swim:

    Some African American women who don’t have natural or protective hairstyles like braids can find swimming onerous. Water can turn their professional perms into curly Afros. Restoration is not as simple as a wash and blow-dry.

    Swim safety advocate Kyla Woods knows firsthand.

    “It’s important to understand some of the very different barriers that black people face when it comes to swimming: lack of exposure, fear (mostly due to lack of exposure), lack of access, hair for black women certainly are what kept me from being interested in a long time,” Woods said.

  137. @Anonymous

    “Godfather of [the] alt-right”

    Eric Holder.

  138. You’re not using enough imagination Steve. BLM can make anything about hating white people.

  139. @Diversity Heretic

    “too often they just quietly sank to the bottom”

    Whilst still a lowly E-3 in the US Coast Guard I had to give two Philly black guys remedial swim lessons so they could make it through basic training at Cape May. They made it through and I ended up in a couple of Wildwood N.J. motel rooms with a bunch of naked black people. It’s true: they love to party.

    • Replies: @captflee
  140. @Diversity Heretic

    “…just quietly sank to the bottom.” Sigh.

  141. If BLM really cared about black lives, then they would cancel all public gatherings, marches, protests for the foreseeable future, until a COVID-19 vaccine that is 100% affective is developed.

    Now suddenly some areas of the US are seeing spikes in COVID-19 infections, which are being traced back to about 3 weeks ago. What exactly started to occur in the US roughy three weeks ago? (hint: post-George Floyd).

  142. @Hhsiii

    Are dots really starting to go for white women? Or rather, are white women starting to go for dots? Like, why would they do that? The dots aren’t on the radar for being known as sexy, masculine men (e.g. like blacks). In that case, white women might as well stay with white men. Makes no sense and doesn’t add up. Unless its hypergamy in action.

  143. @Ano

    NYT board member:
    “Lord who made the lion and the lamb
    Who decreed I should be what I am
    Would it spoil some vast eternal plan
    If those goddamn kids were WHITE!!!”

  144. 216 says:

  145. @syonredux

    “Blacks want to be worshiped”

    Of course. [b]lack narcissism. What I find vexing is the slavish devotion to [b]lack narcissism by the white cult kids. Growing up with hip hop and rap playing in the background, and receiving cultural Marxist programming in high school and college explains most of it, I suppose. Add to that addiction to Apple hand computers (their antenna for receiving signals from the hive mind) and lazy parents. White cult kids are creepy insect kids. We find ourselves in a Village of the Damned situation.

  146. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Back when Superstars was must watch tv, the swimming competition was always a source of at least one black athlete overrating their swimming abilities. the funniest being Deacon Jones proceeding to almost drown moments after intoning “yes im a pretty good swimmer” to Frank Gifford. The old espn classic show cheap seats had some pretty funny clips of this.

  147. Swimming lessons, Mr. Sailer? Will those be scheduled for before, or for after, midnight basketball?

  148. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Tonight in Harlem, blacks react primitively to NYPD attempts to disperse a block party after gunfire was reported.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @prosa123
  149. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, in light of BLM UK’s statement of ‘Free Palestine

    Er, didn’t the US branch of BLM take a similar tack some time ago, with disastrous results?

  150. @Jack D

    They are literally founding a new, heretical religion.

    I feel as though we are witnessing the birth of two new religions-

    1) The Corona-cult

    2) The church of Fentanyl Floyd

    • Agree: bomag
  151. vhrm says:

    And people wonder why police departments decide to buy armored vehicles…

  152. @Wilkey

    I love Indians … in India. They have their country and we should have ours.

    • Agree: anonymous1963, Pheasant
  153. prosa123 says:

    Here’s an account of NYC’s less-than-stellar beach lifeguard corps, which one man has run as basically his personal fiefdom for over 40 years:

  154. @a guy named me

    a guy, in Buffalo the city spent millions on a splash pool at MLK park. Can’t learn to swim in a puddle but no one has drowned yet. So that is sort of a plus I guess.

    • Replies: @Truth
  155. prosa123 says:

    Somehow the hipsterish Citibike rental station in the foreground was way out of place.

  156. Truth says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Hey, you only get two months of good weather, Get a swim in!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  157. @eded

    ed, City pool jobs pay well and are poltical plums to be handed out for votes. The under qualified and absent staff was never going to be replaced by white suburban life guards.

  158. Gated communities will soon feature moats. And as to Beyonce’s claim that her ancestor “fell in love with a slave” in another post she will say he raped her. Whatever works.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  159. captflee says:

    I can vouch for the racist undertow at the Pool on Cape May. Our late ’75 boot class had several Afro-Americans (if I recall the nomenclature of that year), including a couple of athletic young men and one young lady who then would have been thought to be a little heavy, and she survived drownproofing and the two lads didn’t make it more than a few minutes before heading for the

    That said, in respect to the Current Year, and ablaze with Woke energy from recent days in Durham, our Revolutionary Communist redoubt: my alma-ish mater boasts a current Olympic world record holder and multiple medal holder, Cullen Jones, so there are observably quite a few black folks who have mastered that skill, including, alas, the distraught gent in Recife who tried to kill himself by leaping off the quay and swimming into my screws as I came alongside, but I got shut down in sufficient time to not render him into chum, at the cost of a rather rougher than planned approach. The swimmer eluded numerous rescue attempts, including cops in skiffs, and after a Byronean effort, gave up and sank. That guy could swim.

    My running mate from freshman year, from pre-high school graduation summer school, was a very smooth former small town high school QB and valedictorian, not quite good enough to walk on with Lou Holtz, but was operating socially on a very different plane than my Eagle Scout ass. It was a very educational time for me. There were indeed parties, some great, a few menacing. Many of the scenes which greeted one on one’s ambles seemed like downmarket Superfly outtakes if not Boschian tableaux. I’m certainly a friend of the 2A, but I really don’t enjoy being around excessively casual gun and knife play, so when the first pangs of young lust for a coed arrived I was all the more eager to run in a little calmer lane, and we drifted apart. Hope you made it to Meharry Med, HJ!

  160. @Calvin Hobbes

    If I couldn’t swim I wouldn’t go in any water higher then my chest, but hey water is ‘racist’.

  161. @Jim from Boston

    Ironic. Wilson prolonged WW1 by over a year and caused the dysfunctional Versailles peace settlement. His actions set in motion the decline, if not demise of white populations on both sides of the Atlantic.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  162. Gordo says:

    Good luck with promoting that idea to BLM (or any black American) Mr Sailer!

    Surpisingly it was Saint Bob Geldof who stated in his autobiography that African-Americans lacked a social conscience. Ah the 80s!

  163. @Ano

    Had it been a group of jeering whites the media and Hollywood celebrities would be apoplectic.

  164. Gordo says:

    Its bone density and body fat.

    So lower bone density good so Chinese > White > Black

    So higher body fat good so women > men

    So Chinawoman floats longest on average, Blackman shortest, all else being equal.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  165. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    This is why Steve has failed. Completely and absolutely. His affordable family formation has been a failure.

    What needed to be done instead?

  166. Kronos says:

    I already knew, but I do respect the Warhol meme manufacturers of the 21st century. Some of these modified (some say improved) comics are too good to pass up. While art thieves and forgers are often rightfully despised, it’s hard to condemn if either the thief has great taste or the forger possesses superb talent.

  167. @Jus' Sayin'...

    Exactly right. Unless you’re an unwilling sailer in the Royal Navy, it’s easy to avoid water. And it’s especially easy for blacks, since (as we know, and as we’re supposed to bemoan) they don’t much go in for great-outdoors activities.

    People endowed with a bit of common sense choose their leisure activities with an eye to what’s safe for them. And if you lack common sense, you’ll find a way to drown no matter how strong a swimmer you are. (You’ll take up surfing or whitewater kayaking or whatnot.)

  168. @a guy named me

    Also swimming involves disciplined coordinated movements and NOT panicking and remaining calm -impulse control.

    It would be interesting to know which part of BUD/S is most likely to cause blacks to wash out. Drownproofing?

    Could Tiger have passed drownproofing? I suspect so….

  169. Anonymous[721] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s funny that the Sarah Anderson comic became standard issue HBD. Start with Ben Garrison though, and to make them more rightwing inevitably must involve the Happy Merchant. And Stonetoss, the left memes them left as they are about perfect. You can’t make them more rightwing.

  170. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Are dots really starting to go for white women? Or rather, are white women starting to go for dots?

    Yes to both.

    I’ve seen multiple examples in the past few years. In each case the woman was of at least above average attractiveness.

  171. Thoughts says:

    You’re onto something but then get off the track big time.

    Affordable Family Formation and women having to work full-time is the source of the rage

    Instagram makes these things even worse…cuz you can see into the houses of the girls who don’t have to work

    P.S- White women like white men

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  172. @Bardon Kaldian

    I fixed the ending:

    “The elites have programmed blacks and goodwhites to explain everything with “racism,” and recent events also led them to believe that the percentage of white self-hatred has reached the tipping point and that the overall population could be divided and conquered for good.”

  173. College swim programs were already being defunded back in 2013, but now it will probably be worse. Nothing to do with who tends to be in the programs…

    In Deep Water: The recent struggles of collegiate swimming programs

    These are not fruitless swim teams unable to recruit or unable to win in competition. This is not about lackluster school pride or failing team spirit. These are historically successful swimming and diving programs that have produced NCAA champions, All-American athletes, Olympic Trials qualifiers and Olympians.
    These are teams that, in some cases, have flourished for almost 100 years. These are teams that have achieved winning records during regular season competition. And these are teams that have been cut.
    Since 1993, over 35 college swimming programs, including those at the University of Maryland and the University of Washington, have found themselves on the chopping block, according to International Swimming Hall of Fame member Phil Whitten. Perhaps one of these programs would have one day produced the Michael Phelps or Ryan Lochte of the future.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  174. @Hhsiii

    Can’t swim and can’t drive.

    Sure, but that doesn’t stop him from driving, right? I hope that’s not the case with swimming.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  175. @Gordo

    It’s not a matter of how LONG you will float, Gordo, like a log that’s getting slowly waterlogged. A difference in buoyancy determines HOW MUCH of you, if any, will remain above water. Having neutral buoyancy means you will hang just below the surface, while having negative buoyancy (one’s mass being greater than the mass of water displaced by his body) means you will sink a ways.

    How much a body with negative-buoyancy will sink depends on compressibility of the body. This is getting interesting.

  176. @res

    Any reference to it being ended because of racism? I thought it being discriminatory towards people with disabilities was the more common reason.

    They would say that, wouldn’t they? Those swim tests were always exempted for those with disabilities.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  177. donut says:

    “I researched my ancestry recently and learned that I come from a slaveowner who fell in love with and married a slave,” she said. BS anti-miscegenation laws would have prevented that fantasy even if there were any slave owner crazy enough to do such a thing .

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  178. Gordo says:

    Anderson is an SJW, whose comics get edited and repurposed in the meme age

    They are funnier by a long mile after they have been repurposed.

  179. bomag says:

    It happened in East Brunswick, which is rapidly and quickly turning from upper Middle Class White to Indian within a decade. The speed with which Central NJ is turning over is astounding.

    In a fair world, there would be an equivalent area in India that is now Middle Class White.

    So the world rocks on, with those proclaiming “race doesn’t matter” being displaced by those who quietly believe “race matters”.

    I’m wondering if BLM is doing a bit of whistling past the graveyard, as they crush YT but have little to say about the dot Indians; Hispanics; Chinese et al who are growing in numbers.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
  180. peterike says:

    A boy of about eight got into trouble, his mother went in to save him and got into trouble herself, and the grandfather went after both of them with similar results. None of them knew how to swim. They were Indian.

    It would take a heart of stone not to laugh at this story.

  181. peterike says:

    “Or rather, are white women starting to go for dots?”


  182. @Thoughts

    P.S- White women like white men.

    While that’s certainly true for the most part, White women around the world hate hate hate one certain sad sack. You know his name. And it’s unanimous, every single one of them despise him. This is the one and only issue in history where so many women have been in complete agreement.

  183. @anonymous1963

    Absolutely right .
    Woodrow Wilson made the single biggest catastrophic decision of the century. To insure he had a seat at the postwar peace conference (because he was so smart and persuasive, you see, just ask him!), he entered America in to the war.
    He had no popular mandate for that – he’d been re-elected not five months earlier on the slogan “He Kept Us OUT of war”!

    Even as awful as LBJ’s decision to commit us to war in Vietnam, even as terrible as GWB’s determination to invade Iraq, those two outcomes were not as strategically horrific for America and the world as Wilson’s resolve to enter WWI in 1917.

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
    , @Anonymous
  184. A physiological observation: Swimming – well known for causing calf cramps; black people – tiny little calves.

  185. @donut

    No brown sugar on the sugar plantation? Come now.

  186. FLgeezer says:

    >Free grade-school math and writing lessons or coaching would help

    Maybe so. Free grade-school meth and rioting lessons sure haven’t. ;-D

  187. @Jim from Boston

    That handy life-skill was deemed to be unnecessary sometime in the ’80s, since it was ‘racist’… glub glub glub in the swamps of Jersey…

    Michelle Robinson entered Princeton University as a Freshman in 1981.


    • Replies: @Truth
  188. @Truth

    Truth, we have almost winter, winter, still winter and July, in that order.

  189. vinteuil says:

    The Achilles’ heel was slavery…

    I always used to say that slavery was America’s “original sin,” but America’s “Achilles’ heel” is better.

    On the whole, the Africans who were lucky enough to get transported to the USA won the lottery of African life.

  190. @Art Deco

    We agree on this one and consider how the status games will be played when white people are a clear minority.

  191. @Wake up

    “The next major Black politician, celebrity, religious leader or athlete that condemns rampant Black on White crime; will be the first.”

    There is occasional hand-wringing about Black on Black crime. There is whining about “young black males are the main murder victims in this country.” They never say Young Black Males are the main perpetrators of murder.

    In the end, black on black crime (when mentioned) is blamed on “white racism.”

  192. @I, Libertine

    I remember when Frank Robinson almost drowned at a Baltimore Orioles team party in mid-season 1966. Frank went into what he thought was the shallow end of the pool and went under. The Orioles’ low-hitting catcher, Andy Etchebarren, pulled him out, saving his life.

    In 1966, after being traded from the Reds, and his life saved by Etchebarren, Frank Robinson won the Triple Crown, AL MVP, and World Series MVP, as successful a season as a baseball player ever had.

  193. NickG says:

    If Black Lives Matter really wanted to save the lives of young blacks, a constructive thing it could do is call for free swimming lessons. Way too many black youths drown each year.

    A fairly common, rather gentle euphemism for Blacks in South Africa, is ‘non swimmer’.

  194. @Paul Jolliffe

    It was the greatest mistake any American president ever made and completely avoidable. He was re-elected on a peace mandate. The results were a catastrophe for all concerned. Wilson was told by the British he would have no seat at the peace table unless he declared war. Why the USA, a nation in NORTH AMERICA, needed a seat at the peace table for a war in EUROPE escapes me. Such considerations never troubled Mexico. In any case post-war Europe would have needed trade and money from America regardless of its non-belligerency. But Wilson had a monster-sized ego and wanted to strut on the world stage. The result of his narcissism was Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and WW2. WW1, known as the great war until 1939, would have ended in a negotiated peace in 1917 but for this megalomaniac. The world would have been a much better place. Two great books to read are THE ILLUSION OF VICTORY and WILSON’S FOLLY.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  195. @bomag

    That’s the reason for the timing of the revolution. They know their window of opportunity to manipulate the white ruling class is closing.

  196. Pheasant says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Why do you not agree with the conclusion?

  197. Pheasant says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    ‘Soon feature moats’

    In South africa the swimming pool is *always* positioned along the perimiter fence/wall precisely because blacks burglers cannot swim.

  198. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    Even as awful as LBJ’s decision to commit us to war in Vietnam, even as terrible as GWB’s determination to invade Iraq, those two outcomes were not as strategically horrific for America and the world as Wilson’s resolve to enter WWI in 1917.

    We’ll have to see.

  199. @anonymous1963

    Thomas Fleming was a great and truthful historian.
    I read both of those books, and I am proud to say that both are prominent in my bookcase to this day.

    Fleming’s long article on the leaking of of the secret war plans (“Rainbow Five” -part of FDR’s efforts to lure Hitler into a war declaration against America) remains a masterpiece.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  200. Art Deco says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    I’ve never heard of this guy, so I rummage through the table of contents of some of his books on Amazon. I did not find one with proper references. No bibliography, no footnotes, no endnotes. Somehow I suspect he wasn’t doing much archival research. And he wasn’t telling us what secondary sources he consulted.

  201. To the contrary, Fleming was the consummate academic historian, carefully and completely footnoting everything with proper primary and reputable secondary sources.
    His books can be easily read and checked out via any decent public library system.
    Read him – you’ll appreciate how good and scrupulous he was!

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  202. Art Deco says:
    @Paul Jolliffe

    The table of contents is right there on the Amazon preview. Word you don’t see is ‘bibliography’. He put endnotes in some volumes, not others. Haven’t found a footnote yet.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  203. vhrm says:
    @Lockean Proviso

    . Perhaps one of these programs would have one day produced the Michael Phelps or Ryan Lochte of the future.

    nah. Vast majority of swimmers of that caliber already swim for a club before college and choose a program accordingly.

    (although iirc Stanford did have a standout walk-on swimmer that they somehow got away from the basketball team or baseball team. He was black, in fact. This was in the late 90s or early 2000s but i can’t find a reference)

  204. vhrm says:
    @Jim from Boston

    Without looking it up my guess is they most likely eliminated them for thinking they’re not part of the educational mission and not worth the administrative hassle. (though as i write that iwonder if any school administrator anywhere has willingly reduced bureaucracy)

    Not dissimilar to how highschools cut non college-prep programs.

  205. @Art Deco

    Both “The Illusion of Victory: America in World War I” and “The New Dealers’ War: FDR and the War Within World War II” are exhaustively footnoted from hundreds of sources both primary and secondary. Any and every claim by Fleming is easily checked through his sources.

    You’ve implied that because you’d never heard of him, and because he did not include a separate (completely unnecessary!) bibliography, that somehow that invalidated his claims.

    I own both books and have read both carefully.

    You have done neither, and apparently you’re unwilling to read what is available of his online for free!

    Critiquing a serious book which you‘ve not bothered to read is intellectually dishonest.

    I suspect you’re smart enough to know that, so in the future, don’t do it.

  206. Hhsiii says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He doesn’t drive. My sister does the driving. She can’t either.

    They live in Brooklyn so not much of an issue. He’s an Oxbridge educated patrician.

  207. usNthem says:
    @Jack D

    Actually, it’s the evil White man’s racist film designed to male black people look blacker than they really are.

  208. @Jonathan Mason

    Many Haitians and Dominicans learn to swim in rivers.

    Dominicans aren’t all that black. Haiti’s rivers are so polluted that denser objects than Haitians could probably float.

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