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From the Dallas News:

Texas Democrats decry Trump’s use of Barbara Jordan quote to back immigration policy

Jackie Wang, Austin Bureau

AUSTIN — Texas Democrats on Wednesday objected to the President Donald Trump’s use of Barbara Jordan’s words as an attempt to bolster support for his immigration policy.

I like this bronze statue of Barbara Jordan by Bruce Wolfe at the Austin airport. She didn’t normally take a good picture, so this was the best representation of her I found.

We seem to be living in, if not a golden age, at least a bronze age of bronze statues. Nobody pays too much attention to the new ones, but recent ones are all over the place. I rather like them.

Will they tear down Barbara Jordan’s statue to celebrate Amnesty? Or will they just rewrite the history books?

In a written presidential message on the 21st anniversary of Jordan’s death, the White House suggested that Trump’s “America First” approach to immigration jibes with “the spirit” of Jordan’s views on the subject.

Texas Democratic Party Chair Gilberto Hinojosa

The father of Democratic Aztec warrior princess / spokesmodel Xochitl Hinojosa, by the way.

, though, sharply denounced Trump’s suggestion he’s in sync with Jordan on immigration.

… “As a Texan, an American, and a human being, I am insulted that Trump would invoke Barbara Jordan’s name to promote his racist and dangerous immigration agenda,” Hinojosa said. “This trailblazing daughter of Texas was devoted to the Democratic ideals that helped shape the America we live in today. She was a champion for justice. Donald Trump is not worthy of uttering her name.”

Jordan, a celebrated Texan who was born in Houston and died in Austin, was the first African American woman to serve in the Texas Senate and the first woman to represent Texas in the U.S. House of Representatives. …

The White House statement honoring Jordan began by quoting her: “It is both a right and a responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest.”

“With this simple, common-sense perspective, civil rights icon Barbara Jordan challenged our Nation’s leaders to maximize opportunities for all Americans by adopting an immigration policy that puts American citizens first,” Trump said.

So Barbara Jordan and Trump’s immigration experts were largely in agreement on immigration policy, but that doesn’t matter because Jordan was African-American, so she would have to be on the same team as Conquistador-American Gilberto Hinojosa, who is white but has a mustache in order to look vaguely Latin.

 
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  1. So, “don’t you talk about someone from my team… even though she agreed with you.”

    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @guest
    @Twinkie

    Democrats were like this when Bush II-era Republicans used JFK quotes to justify their tax cuts. Which was one of the few smart things they did. Because Dems own Camelot, thank-you-very-much, and nothing quite pisses them off like attempting to co-opt its unique magic.

    They might have shown Teddy weeping in front of the Eternal Flame in response. I can't recall.

    , @ben tillman
    @Twinkie


    So, “don’t you talk about someone from my team… even though she agreed with you.”
     
    It's the Jaff Schatz theory of truth. Things I say are true only when repeated for reasons I agree with.
  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I am insulted that Trump would invoke Barbara Jordan’s name to promote his racist and dangerous immigration agenda,” Hinojosa said

    Dangerous is right! If we don’t get another 50 million third-world immigrants into this country stat, just imagine the danger that awaits us all!

    The White House statement honoring Jordan began by quoting her: “It is both a right and a responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest.”

    What a subversive! Didn’t she know about the Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution? Didn’t she know That’s Not Who We Are? (Or wasn’t it Who We Were at the time?)

    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    Or:

    "That's not who we will be!"

  3. Barbara Jordan, just like Cesar Chavez and way back to Samuel Gompers, were all well known for their stances against legal immigration. It’s laughable to think in today’s environment they would support something as outrageous as illegal immigration. Dems & the effete RINOS don’t know basic American History.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Bubba

    They don’t even teach it.

    In my University-level first-year American history survey Gompers was lauded because he was the first truly successful unionizer in American history. The fact that he was Jewish was mentioned only in passing (we were grudgingly allowed to “notice” but weren’t supposed to care) and his immigration views never entered the discourse on the quotas, which focused on “clearly racist” (verbatim quote).

    Chavez was similarly held up as a workers’ rights activist and an Hispanic. His religious devotion and his views on immigration were never discussed once. Dorothy Day, for her part, was omitted entirely, though the two were about equally notorious in their time *and* equally [un]successful in realizing either their economic or moral/cultural agenda for America.

    Jordan of course is supposed to be interesting only because she is a black woman: yet for some reason these same people don’t want us to discuss the ideas and combats of said black woman. A cynic might well conclude serious racism and sexism is afoot there.

    Replies: @Bubba

    , @Jake
    @Bubba

    They do know. They are twisting history, as well as logic, into knots in order to advance goals that make them richer and more powerful, at the direct expense of the vast majority of white Gentile Americans.

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Bubba

    And DuBois, Booker T, Fred Douglass, .... All blacks of a reasonable mind understood the damage of a lax immigration system. Coolies would have taken those sharecropping jobs. The dumbass wetbacks don't realize they will be replaced in the future by denizens of some other shithole

    Replies: @J.Ross, @guest

  4. Twenty years have passed since the death of Barbara Jordan. On January 17, 1996, the former congresswoman and civil rights icon succumbed to complications of leukemia at a hospital in Texas. She was 59 years old, a beloved national figure who for the previous two years had been chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform.

    Jordan’s death cut short that final public service. It represents the high-water mark of bipartisan efforts to stop illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration by asserting a vision of the national interest over the left-right coalition of ethnic, business, and political interests that seeks more immigration and less enforcement.

    One of Jordan’s goals was to reduce legal immigration by eliminating the right for citizens and legal immigrants to sponsor the immigration of siblings. President Clinton endorsed that aim and then backed off, in what the Boston Globe described as a favor to Chinese-Americans who had donated heavily to the Democratic Party.2 The authors of the book The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform observed that “Clinton could not as easily have abandoned the Commission’s proposals on legal reform had Jordan survived.”3

    In 1993, Clinton appointed Jordan to chair the Commission on Immigration Reform. She took the place of Cardinal Bernard Law, whose term expired at the end of the Bush presidency. Had Law continued as chairman, he certainly would have pushed it in a direction far different from that pursued by Jordan. Law, the archbishop of Boston, shared the beliefs of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which called for expansive immigration policies and an embrace of illegal immigrants in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger.15

    Jordan wanted be part of a national effort to manage an urgent national problem. That is why the commission’s first report, which took an unambiguous stand in favor of enforcement of legally established immigration limits, was titled “U.S. Immigration Policy: Restoring Credibility”:22

    Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave. The top priorities for detention and removal, of course, are criminal aliens. But for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process.23

    The commission did reach consensus on the issue of cutting off the jobs magnet with a computerized registry of all persons authorized to work in the United States. Its recommendation to curtail legal immigration had one dissenting vote, from commission member Warrren Leiden of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. That proposal was to stop granting immigrants the right to sponsor their siblings and adult children, as part of an ever-lengthening process that became known as “chain immigration”. (Minor children would have retained a high priority under the commission proposal.)

    Those key recommendations appeared, in modified form, in legislation that was thwarted by the left-right coalition of advocates of expansive immigration. The coalition included the National Council of La Raza, whose lead immigration lobbyist, Cecilia Munoz (currently director of the White House Domestic Policy Council), responded angrily, “The recommendations are stunningly radical. They’re irresponsible.” Munoz was joined in protest by Karen Narasaki, executive director of the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium. “We are outraged,” Narasaki said. “This is an attack on the Asian community. There are a million Asians whose families have filed applications for them to immigrate in categories that would be eliminated by the commission — brothers and sisters and adult children of U.S. citizens.”

    https://cis.org/Report/Remembering-Barbara-Jordan-and-Her-Immigration-Legacy

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux


    Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave.
     
    Jordan was Trump before Trump was Trump. Wow.

    https://img.etsystatic.com/il/408e30/991549576/il_570xN.991549576_kuzv.jpg
    , @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    There hasn't been significant immigration of Japanese people to the US since before the war, so it's amazing how JapAms are so highly represented in these pan-"Asian" organization where they pretend to be indistinguishable from Chinese people.

    Are there any notable Japanese-Americans who aren't total leftist scumbags?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @syonredux

    Damn I like that woman.

    Was there an investigation into her death?

    , @Bill Jones
    @syonredux

    " in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger"

    The Injunction was to welcome the Sojourner,

    I.E Someone who is passing through, not a permanent immigrant.


    As always the lunatic left lies.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  5. I sat next to Barbara Jordan at a UT football game in Austin when I was a little kid in 1986. Nice lady, but you have to figure she’d be like all the other black Democrats and be all in for massive immigration if she was alive today.

    • Agree: Alden, Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Nico
    @Bobby25

    I do think you are probably right, but the fact is that she’s not alive today. So let’s just keep on quoting her as she was: a testimony to the mental unhingedness of the modern Democratic Party.

    , @william munny
    @Bobby25

    I don't know if Jordan would be all in for massive immigration. She knew more about it than any current black politician alive. She may have steered things in a very different direction.

    Replies: @jtgw, @Alden

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Bobby25

    That's given. I also like how the conservatives cuckcluck about ML King being a GOP opportunity conservative had He been alive today.
    "That's right Rush, I dream of people whatever their color,getting tax cuts..."

    , @anonymous
    @Bobby25

    Sounds like you were nicer as a kid.

    Love this site, but too many commenters are race-obsessed. Or perhaps Divide & Conquer trolls.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Bobby25

    Even if true (who knows really) doesn’t it just prove the point that it’s the media/academia pushing everyone towards team-based extremism?

  6. What always amazes, saddens, and angers me is how within a mere 23 years (1995-2018) the fundamental precepts of Jordan’s Commission have been totally ignored in media discussions of immigration and consciously abandoned by both Democrats and Republicans. For example, from the Commission reports:

    Immigration to the United States should be understood as a privilege, not a right. Immigration carries with it obligations to embrace the common core of the American civic culture, to become able to communicate in English with other citizens and residents, and to adapt to fundamental constitutional principles and democratic institutions.

    In particular, we [the Commission] believe that unlawful immigration is unacceptable. Enforcement efforts have not been effective in deterring unlawful immigration. This failure to develop effective strategies to control unlawful immigration has blurred the public perception of the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.

    The credibility of immigration policy can be measured by a simple yardstick: people who should get in, do get in; people who should not get in are kept out; and people who are judged deportable are required to leave.

  7. So even when he is right, Trump is just wrong … and racist. Got it!

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Twenty years have passed since the death of Barbara Jordan. On January 17, 1996, the former congresswoman and civil rights icon succumbed to complications of leukemia at a hospital in Texas. She was 59 years old, a beloved national figure who for the previous two years had been chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform.

    Jordan’s death cut short that final public service. It represents the high-water mark of bipartisan efforts to stop illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration by asserting a vision of the national interest over the left-right coalition of ethnic, business, and political interests that seeks more immigration and less enforcement.
     

    One of Jordan’s goals was to reduce legal immigration by eliminating the right for citizens and legal immigrants to sponsor the immigration of siblings. President Clinton endorsed that aim and then backed off, in what the Boston Globe described as a favor to Chinese-Americans who had donated heavily to the Democratic Party.2 The authors of the book The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform observed that “Clinton could not as easily have abandoned the Commission’s proposals on legal reform had Jordan survived.”3
     

    In 1993, Clinton appointed Jordan to chair the Commission on Immigration Reform. She took the place of Cardinal Bernard Law, whose term expired at the end of the Bush presidency. Had Law continued as chairman, he certainly would have pushed it in a direction far different from that pursued by Jordan. Law, the archbishop of Boston, shared the beliefs of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which called for expansive immigration policies and an embrace of illegal immigrants in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger.15

     


    Jordan wanted be part of a national effort to manage an urgent national problem. That is why the commission’s first report, which took an unambiguous stand in favor of enforcement of legally established immigration limits, was titled “U.S. Immigration Policy: Restoring Credibility”:22

    Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave. The top priorities for detention and removal, of course, are criminal aliens. But for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process.23
     

    The commission did reach consensus on the issue of cutting off the jobs magnet with a computerized registry of all persons authorized to work in the United States. Its recommendation to curtail legal immigration had one dissenting vote, from commission member Warrren Leiden of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. That proposal was to stop granting immigrants the right to sponsor their siblings and adult children, as part of an ever-lengthening process that became known as “chain immigration”. (Minor children would have retained a high priority under the commission proposal.)

    Those key recommendations appeared, in modified form, in legislation that was thwarted by the left-right coalition of advocates of expansive immigration. The coalition included the National Council of La Raza, whose lead immigration lobbyist, Cecilia Munoz (currently director of the White House Domestic Policy Council), responded angrily, “The recommendations are stunningly radical. They’re irresponsible.” Munoz was joined in protest by Karen Narasaki, executive director of the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium. “We are outraged,” Narasaki said. “This is an attack on the Asian community. There are a million Asians whose families have filed applications for them to immigrate in categories that would be eliminated by the commission — brothers and sisters and adult children of U.S. citizens.”

     

    https://cis.org/Report/Remembering-Barbara-Jordan-and-Her-Immigration-Legacy

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Bill Jones

    Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave.

    Jordan was Trump before Trump was Trump. Wow.

  9. @Twinkie
    So, "don't you talk about someone from my team... even though she agreed with you."

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    Democrats were like this when Bush II-era Republicans used JFK quotes to justify their tax cuts. Which was one of the few smart things they did. Because Dems own Camelot, thank-you-very-much, and nothing quite pisses them off like attempting to co-opt its unique magic.

    They might have shown Teddy weeping in front of the Eternal Flame in response. I can’t recall.

  10. We seem to be living in, if not a golden age, at least a bronze age of bronze statues. Nobody pays too much attention to the new ones, but recent ones are all over the place. I rather like them.

    They seem to be kind of sentimental and cartoonish looking in my experience. The one of Jordan less bad than normal.

    I like giant equestrian statues of the heroes who defeated barbarian invaders.

    Here is one of in San Diego that Steve must have seen on his last trip of one of the greatest heroes of the Spanish Reconquest:

    Here is Jan Sobieski trampling a Turk underhoof.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lot


    I like giant equestrian statues of the heroes who defeated barbarian invaders.
     
    Richmond (shh!) still has one like that of Robert E. Lee

    http://usdefensewatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/5641726809_5aa947864c_z.jpg

    Well okay, replace 'defeated' with 'fought'

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Logan
    @Lot

    Jan's horse is more like a pony, and he's a contender in the Silly Hat Contest.

  11. @Bubba
    Barbara Jordan, just like Cesar Chavez and way back to Samuel Gompers, were all well known for their stances against legal immigration. It’s laughable to think in today’s environment they would support something as outrageous as illegal immigration. Dems & the effete RINOS don’t know basic American History.

    Replies: @Nico, @Jake, @Ron Mexico

    They don’t even teach it.

    In my University-level first-year American history survey Gompers was lauded because he was the first truly successful unionizer in American history. The fact that he was Jewish was mentioned only in passing (we were grudgingly allowed to “notice” but weren’t supposed to care) and his immigration views never entered the discourse on the quotas, which focused on “clearly racist” (verbatim quote).

    Chavez was similarly held up as a workers’ rights activist and an Hispanic. His religious devotion and his views on immigration were never discussed once. Dorothy Day, for her part, was omitted entirely, though the two were about equally notorious in their time *and* equally [un]successful in realizing either their economic or moral/cultural agenda for America.

    Jordan of course is supposed to be interesting only because she is a black woman: yet for some reason these same people don’t want us to discuss the ideas and combats of said black woman. A cynic might well conclude serious racism and sexism is afoot there.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Nico

    That is unbelievable - wow! Why pay a small fortune to learn lame PC crap at universities these days? I used to think years ago the PC fad would end, but I was way off. It's ubiquitous now and far beyond parody.

    Replies: @SFG

  12. @Bobby25
    I sat next to Barbara Jordan at a UT football game in Austin when I was a little kid in 1986. Nice lady, but you have to figure she'd be like all the other black Democrats and be all in for massive immigration if she was alive today.

    Replies: @Nico, @william munny, @Father O'Hara, @anonymous, @S. Anonyia

    I do think you are probably right, but the fact is that she’s not alive today. So let’s just keep on quoting her as she was: a testimony to the mental unhingedness of the modern Democratic Party.

    • Agree: Bubba, DCThrowback, Bill
  13. @Lot

    We seem to be living in, if not a golden age, at least a bronze age of bronze statues. Nobody pays too much attention to the new ones, but recent ones are all over the place. I rather like them.
     
    They seem to be kind of sentimental and cartoonish looking in my experience. The one of Jordan less bad than normal.

    I like giant equestrian statues of the heroes who defeated barbarian invaders.

    Here is one of in San Diego that Steve must have seen on his last trip of one of the greatest heroes of the Spanish Reconquest:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid_Campeador_(sculpture)#/media/File%3ADetalle_de_la_estatua_el_Cid_(Parque_de_Balboa).jpg

    Here is Jan Sobieski trampling a Turk underhoof.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_statue#/media/File%3A%C5%81azienki_%E2%80%93_most_z_pomnikiem_Jana_III_Sobieskiego_%E2%80%93_20.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Logan

    I like giant equestrian statues of the heroes who defeated barbarian invaders.

    Richmond (shh!) still has one like that of Robert E. Lee

    Well okay, replace ‘defeated’ with ‘fought’

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    I just had a sci-fi fantasy. A glowing force field protecting each and every one of our grand old monuments, for all eternity. I could write a film treatment--do you think Hollywood will finance it? I'm calling up Jodie Foster, Sean Penn, and Susan Sarandon first, since the Weinsteins are down for the count right now. I'm sure they'll get with the program and connect me with the right producers.

  14. The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn’t they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it’ll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Anonymous

    The first "American civil war" was not a civil war in the sense that one region was not trying to claim all of the land as its own, it was trying to break away. Real civil wars were the Chinese/English/Spanish civil wars as both sides were trying to claim themselves as the legitimate authority over all of the land.

    The "new civil war" cannot be called a real civil war either, because generally to fight a civil war you need to have the same people fighting each other, in the Chinese/English/Spanish civil wars you had mostly Chinese/English/Spanish people fighting each other. In America you have completely foreign people fighting each other. What is happening in America is closer to the history of the Turks taking over Anatolia with their migrations, the new Germanic kingdoms that came after the fall of the Roman Empire or initial white settler incursions into native lands in America.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Anonymous

    What I see happening in California is a process of phased secession. I predict other states will copy portions of what California is doing. I'd hate to lose the natural beauty and resources of California, but in light of its present population, it's hard for me to consider part of the United States anyway.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @WJ
    @Anonymous

    Got news for you, Cali is one of the crappiest states in the country. Outside of the narrow coastal strip, even the weather is crappy. The cities are crappy concrete jungles filled with illegal aliens jamming the highways and you have crappy favelas sprouting up on the fringes of formerly nice places like Santa Ana. The "Inland Empire" is simply dreadful. I would rather spend a week in dreadful Jackson, Miss than a day in Riverside, San Bernadino or God forbid, Fresno.

    In Frisco you need a Smart Phone app to dodge the fecal matter on the streets. I would say that epitomizes crappy. As we all know, many rational middle class people are voting with their feet and leaving that crappy place.

    Replies: @Benjaminl

    , @Jake
    @Anonymous

    I am 100% for secession, by any state, for any reason.

    Let CA leave the Union. That will accomplish two things. First, it will show that the Union is not sacred, that God did not create the Union and demand that no state ever be allowed to leave it. If states are not going to be slaughtered into submission to be forced to remain, then the Federal Government must become reasonable and much less grandiose.

    Second, it will take a very large and powerfully influential Leftist-run state out of the mix of the US. As Hollywood is the great whore of a Leftist image maker, CA leaving the Union could be the great boon we require to get things back to normal.

    And if CA leaves the Union, you know that Portland and Seattle will demand to do the same. Two more kooky Leftist cities that use their wealth to pervert the rest of the country. More than good riddance.

    And then, if we are really lucky, the Libs who control DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NJ, NYC, and Boston will demand a secession of that northeastern coastal strip.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Anonymous

    Have you ever been to MS or OK?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous

    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @gunner29, @EdwardM

    , @Alden
    @Anonymous

    I think it’s great that the state of California plans to punish employers who cooperate in any way with ICE.

    Because

    It’s California employers who recruit illegals in third world countries, bring them here and enable them to stay here by employing them. And who funds the legal aid foundations that make sure the children of the illegals get vast welfare benefits? The employers of illegals and all those restaurant, farm, manufacturers chamber of commerce pro immigration lobbying groups

    So let the employers be caught between the state and the feds.

    , @27 year old
    @Anonymous


    I say let California secede. ...
    Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it’ll be fun to watch what happens to it.
     
    Joke: let them secede

    Broke: kick them out

    Woke: declare them in rebellion, suspend all federal payments to CA and put every CA personal and business bank account on the OFAC naughty list, then do another Sherman's march to the sea.

    But in serious, there is no reason to feel bad or reluctant to "give up" the great natural prize that is California.

    It's already lost. Whites will eventually either reconquer it for ourselves or we won't.

    But if/when we do, it won't make a difference whether it is nominally part of America.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    , @anonomy
    @Anonymous

    I say put all the immigrants in California and cede it to Mexico. Just say "here, I always knew you wanted it anyway". Then let them try to secede from Mexico.

    Replies: @anonomy

    , @MBlanc46
    @Anonymous

    We are so divided that it hardly seems appropriate to use the pronoun “we”. Disaggregation is the only alternative to violent conflict.

  15. @Nico
    @Bubba

    They don’t even teach it.

    In my University-level first-year American history survey Gompers was lauded because he was the first truly successful unionizer in American history. The fact that he was Jewish was mentioned only in passing (we were grudgingly allowed to “notice” but weren’t supposed to care) and his immigration views never entered the discourse on the quotas, which focused on “clearly racist” (verbatim quote).

    Chavez was similarly held up as a workers’ rights activist and an Hispanic. His religious devotion and his views on immigration were never discussed once. Dorothy Day, for her part, was omitted entirely, though the two were about equally notorious in their time *and* equally [un]successful in realizing either their economic or moral/cultural agenda for America.

    Jordan of course is supposed to be interesting only because she is a black woman: yet for some reason these same people don’t want us to discuss the ideas and combats of said black woman. A cynic might well conclude serious racism and sexism is afoot there.

    Replies: @Bubba

    That is unbelievable – wow! Why pay a small fortune to learn lame PC crap at universities these days? I used to think years ago the PC fad would end, but I was way off. It’s ubiquitous now and far beyond parody.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Bubba

    The GOP has started to wake up to the role of the universities in turning people liberal and some people are starting to look at 'ideological diversity'. Not at Harvard but I wouldn't be surprised if, say North Dakota State starts to turn.

    You won't get the best, of course, but having enough bright conservative people coming out of state schools might be enough to staff a future right-populist administration. Trump right now is severely lacking in people to fill the Deputy Undersecretary of Interior Affairs positions that actually do a lot of the work.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Desiderius

  16. If IQ goes up the closer you get to the Canadian border, explain Minnesota politics.

    They’ve elected two cartoonish guys – an ex pro-wrestler, Jesse Ventura (who is very sophomoric) and Al Franken. Doesn’t strike me as a sophisticated electorate.

  17. @Bobby25
    I sat next to Barbara Jordan at a UT football game in Austin when I was a little kid in 1986. Nice lady, but you have to figure she'd be like all the other black Democrats and be all in for massive immigration if she was alive today.

    Replies: @Nico, @william munny, @Father O'Hara, @anonymous, @S. Anonyia

    I don’t know if Jordan would be all in for massive immigration. She knew more about it than any current black politician alive. She may have steered things in a very different direction.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    @william munny

    Here's Dianne Feinstein from the same period:

    https://www.ac2news.com/2018/01/this-is-dianne-feinstein-on-illegal-immigration-in-1994-makes-trump-look-like-a-piker-should-that-wall-be-electrified-senator-wow-video/

    And Harry Reid also notoriously spoke out against birthright citizenship.

    Replies: @Bill

    , @Alden
    @william munny

    She served 6 years in Congress. Had she continued to be anti immigration I’m sure she would have been quietly removed from politics.

    By 1980 both parties were very pro immigration Remember Regean’s amnesty?

    Her anti immigration stance is just a historical foot note, like the founders immigration law that immigrants must be free White and of good character Her immigration statement was meaningless in 1996 and is meaningless today.

    A lot of blacks are anti immigration but they are ordinary people who always vote democrat.

    Replies: @Ivy

  18. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    The first “American civil war” was not a civil war in the sense that one region was not trying to claim all of the land as its own, it was trying to break away. Real civil wars were the Chinese/English/Spanish civil wars as both sides were trying to claim themselves as the legitimate authority over all of the land.

    The “new civil war” cannot be called a real civil war either, because generally to fight a civil war you need to have the same people fighting each other, in the Chinese/English/Spanish civil wars you had mostly Chinese/English/Spanish people fighting each other. In America you have completely foreign people fighting each other. What is happening in America is closer to the history of the Turks taking over Anatolia with their migrations, the new Germanic kingdoms that came after the fall of the Roman Empire or initial white settler incursions into native lands in America.

  19. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    What I see happening in California is a process of phased secession. I predict other states will copy portions of what California is doing. I’d hate to lose the natural beauty and resources of California, but in light of its present population, it’s hard for me to consider part of the United States anyway.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Diversity Heretic

    What some people of California are proposing is a mere pipe dream that may be copied by other Americans of a similar ilk. Otherwise, California is still part of the United States, regardless if you are opposed to its current type of population.

  20. Sheer insanity: California AG threatens to prosecute businesses who cooperate with immigration authorities.

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article195434409.html

    This is treason, plain and simple. Becerra’s a Mexican, and he’s actively aiding and abetting Mexican lawbreakers and prosecuting American taxpayers.

    Maybe it’s time for the Marines to declare martial law in Sacramento?

  21. Trump should ask Senator Cotton and Perdue to rename the RAISE Act the Barbara Jordan Immigration Reform Act.

    And watch the lefties’ heads explode.

    • LOL: Bubba
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @MikeCLT

    Not that is clever, sir. Make it happen Mr President!

  22. @Bobby25
    I sat next to Barbara Jordan at a UT football game in Austin when I was a little kid in 1986. Nice lady, but you have to figure she'd be like all the other black Democrats and be all in for massive immigration if she was alive today.

    Replies: @Nico, @william munny, @Father O'Hara, @anonymous, @S. Anonyia

    That’s given. I also like how the conservatives cuckcluck about ML King being a GOP opportunity conservative had He been alive today.
    “That’s right Rush, I dream of people whatever their color,getting tax cuts…”

  23. Steve – you’re warming to my theme here: the Age of Ideas is over.

    There will be a lot of pain, and much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  24. Pat Casey says:

    We seem to be living in, if not a golden age, at least a bronze age of bronze statues. Nobody pays too much attention to the new ones, but recent ones are all over the place. I rather like them.

    I was recently looking for a large crucifix and this is the best one I found

  25. Who was it who said something to the effect that a liberal can become a conservative in just twenty years without changing his mind on a single issue?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @John Pepple

    Hint: It's known as "Pepple's Law".

    Replies: @John Pepple

    , @Hibernian
    @John Pepple

    Try 15.

  26. Barbara Jordan had a stentorian voice that might have been used as political stagecraft by the lady, but that wouldn’t diminish its effect. Barbara Jordan was a women who spoke her mind without any nonsense or slippery rhetoric. Barbara Jordan was the exact opposite of lying politician whore baby boomer Hillary Clinton.

    I have a Jordan in my ancestry named Benjamin Franklin Jordan. He was born in Lunenburg County, Virginia in 1772. Ben Franklin Jordan married a woman named Jane Jones.

    2015 Tweet:

    Barbara Jordan was a Black U.S. Rep who said that Blacks are the ones getting hurt the most from mass immigration.

  27. @syonredux

    Twenty years have passed since the death of Barbara Jordan. On January 17, 1996, the former congresswoman and civil rights icon succumbed to complications of leukemia at a hospital in Texas. She was 59 years old, a beloved national figure who for the previous two years had been chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform.

    Jordan’s death cut short that final public service. It represents the high-water mark of bipartisan efforts to stop illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration by asserting a vision of the national interest over the left-right coalition of ethnic, business, and political interests that seeks more immigration and less enforcement.
     

    One of Jordan’s goals was to reduce legal immigration by eliminating the right for citizens and legal immigrants to sponsor the immigration of siblings. President Clinton endorsed that aim and then backed off, in what the Boston Globe described as a favor to Chinese-Americans who had donated heavily to the Democratic Party.2 The authors of the book The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform observed that “Clinton could not as easily have abandoned the Commission’s proposals on legal reform had Jordan survived.”3
     

    In 1993, Clinton appointed Jordan to chair the Commission on Immigration Reform. She took the place of Cardinal Bernard Law, whose term expired at the end of the Bush presidency. Had Law continued as chairman, he certainly would have pushed it in a direction far different from that pursued by Jordan. Law, the archbishop of Boston, shared the beliefs of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which called for expansive immigration policies and an embrace of illegal immigrants in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger.15

     


    Jordan wanted be part of a national effort to manage an urgent national problem. That is why the commission’s first report, which took an unambiguous stand in favor of enforcement of legally established immigration limits, was titled “U.S. Immigration Policy: Restoring Credibility”:22

    Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave. The top priorities for detention and removal, of course, are criminal aliens. But for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process.23
     

    The commission did reach consensus on the issue of cutting off the jobs magnet with a computerized registry of all persons authorized to work in the United States. Its recommendation to curtail legal immigration had one dissenting vote, from commission member Warrren Leiden of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. That proposal was to stop granting immigrants the right to sponsor their siblings and adult children, as part of an ever-lengthening process that became known as “chain immigration”. (Minor children would have retained a high priority under the commission proposal.)

    Those key recommendations appeared, in modified form, in legislation that was thwarted by the left-right coalition of advocates of expansive immigration. The coalition included the National Council of La Raza, whose lead immigration lobbyist, Cecilia Munoz (currently director of the White House Domestic Policy Council), responded angrily, “The recommendations are stunningly radical. They’re irresponsible.” Munoz was joined in protest by Karen Narasaki, executive director of the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium. “We are outraged,” Narasaki said. “This is an attack on the Asian community. There are a million Asians whose families have filed applications for them to immigrate in categories that would be eliminated by the commission — brothers and sisters and adult children of U.S. citizens.”

     

    https://cis.org/Report/Remembering-Barbara-Jordan-and-Her-Immigration-Legacy

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Bill Jones

    There hasn’t been significant immigration of Japanese people to the US since before the war, so it’s amazing how JapAms are so highly represented in these pan-“Asian” organization where they pretend to be indistinguishable from Chinese people.

    Are there any notable Japanese-Americans who aren’t total leftist scumbags?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AndrewR

    There was S.I. Hayakawa, right?

    Granted, rather than being elected United States Senator, he'd nowadays be run out of California on a rail, but still. Those were smarter days, incredibly enough. They didn't seem so smart at the time, mainly because few of us could see what was coming.

  28. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    Got news for you, Cali is one of the crappiest states in the country. Outside of the narrow coastal strip, even the weather is crappy. The cities are crappy concrete jungles filled with illegal aliens jamming the highways and you have crappy favelas sprouting up on the fringes of formerly nice places like Santa Ana. The “Inland Empire” is simply dreadful. I would rather spend a week in dreadful Jackson, Miss than a day in Riverside, San Bernadino or God forbid, Fresno.

    In Frisco you need a Smart Phone app to dodge the fecal matter on the streets. I would say that epitomizes crappy. As we all know, many rational middle class people are voting with their feet and leaving that crappy place.

    • Replies: @Benjaminl
    @WJ

    Just saw this nice, I mean infuriating, 10-minute clip on Twitter -- they said Anaheim.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvCGtxeknSg

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @WJ

  29. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Well, ideas engage the mind in a rational direction. “Identity” (politics) goes straight to the gut, the emotions. Madison Avenue knows perfectly well what is more useful in mobilizing people.

    Trump should find campaign-worthy slogans to shape public perception of immigration policy. He used to be good at that. “America has the right to deny entry” “America’s huddled masses come first” “no matter who you are, to America you come legal or you don’t come at all”. Or the Austrian angle “We don’t enable human traffickers”. Build on MAGA discourse, use focus groups, teach.

    It should be very easy, Twitter for once an aid. It’s the bully pulpit, stupid.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Anon


    Well, ideas engage the mind in a rational direction. “Identity” (politics) goes straight to the gut, the emotions. Madison Avenue knows perfectly well what is more useful in mobilizing people.

     

    GO FOR THE GUT?

    We must guard against the retreat into cynicism when discussing momentous matters of immigration law and the future of European Christendom.

    OR, WE CAN GO FOR THE GUT!

    Nigel Farage Used The GUT Issue Of Immigration To Sever The UK From The EU.

    I prefer the retreat into cynicism; that's where the power is.

    Tweet from 2015 about UKIP strategy:

    Mass immigration is a GUT issue easily digestible by dolts of all IQ levels; asset purchases from ECB is not.

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/558628973006295040

  30. @william munny
    @Bobby25

    I don't know if Jordan would be all in for massive immigration. She knew more about it than any current black politician alive. She may have steered things in a very different direction.

    Replies: @jtgw, @Alden

    Here’s Dianne Feinstein from the same period:

    https://www.ac2news.com/2018/01/this-is-dianne-feinstein-on-illegal-immigration-in-1994-makes-trump-look-like-a-piker-should-that-wall-be-electrified-senator-wow-video/

    And Harry Reid also notoriously spoke out against birthright citizenship.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @jtgw

    Huh. It's almost as if crushing the unions was, I don't know, some kind of mistake.

    Replies: @jtgw

  31. We could probably wage this entire immigration debate using only quotes from revered Democrats and RINOs of the last 50-60 years and using laws passed by Democrat-controlled states. Ted Kennedy would provide more than a few of those quotes. He’s the one who professed he didn’t want to ‘upset the ethnic balance of America’ (1965) and pledged to ‘secure the border of America’ and ‘never propose another amnesty again’ (1986). Even Harry Reid vociferously opposed birthright citizenship and John McCain told us to ‘build the danged wall.’

    Hell, iirc, it was an overwhelmingly Democratic Texas state legislature that passed the law banning illegal immigrant children from attending public schools that was overturned (just barely) by Plyler v. Doe. And it was basically he same California voters who voted for Bill Clinton, Diane Feinstein, and Barbara Boxer in 1992 who voted for Prop 187 by 59-41 in 1994.

    • Replies: @MarcB.
    @JollyOldSoul


    We could probably wage this entire immigration debate using only quotes from revered Democrats and RINOs of the last 50-60 years
     
    The RINO quotes may harder to come by since they were the original supporters of the illegal invasion from the South. Rush Limbaugh brushed off concerns about illegal immigration until the worm had already turned in 2006, as the realization that years of his attempts at swaying his listeners on the issue had been in vain set in. The Establishment Left were publicly against illegal immigration until the early 2000's, but privately they were aware that the demographic change would eventually pay dividends for them in the ballot box.
  32. It’s not surprising that a black Texas Democrat in the 1990s would have been an immigration skeptic. Whether the same would be true in 2018, when immigration has meant a bolus of African immigrants into Houston (where Jordan’s district was) to represent, and not just illegals from Mexico anymore, I don’t know.

    OT: apparently Chucky Schumer is very upset that his plan to have his sock puppets on both sides of the table in Congressional immigration debates is falling through, and is trying to declare Tom Cotton persona non grata in them. Always a fount of wisdom about what Republicans absolutely must do, that guy.

    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told President Donald Trump this week that there will be no deal on Dreamers if hard-line conservative GOP Sen. Tom Cotton is involved, according to several congressional sources.

    Schumer also told the president that he was not being well-served by White House staffers during negotiations over the fate of 700,000 young immigrants who face potential deportation if no deal is reached to protect them.

    Cotton — and his role in the hugely controversial Jan. 11 Oval Office meeting over a potential Senate bipartisan compromise on Dreamers — has become a focus of particular Senate Democrats’ ire. There seems to be something about the Arkansas Republican that especially angers them, and they’re not shy about letting Trump know.

    In a brief interview, Cotton said Schumer did not want him in the room for the Dreamers’ talks, “probably because I would get a good deal, and he wants a bad deal.”

    For a number of Senate Democrats, Cotton — brash, conservative and largely uninterested in compromise — is the personification of what is wrong with the GOP right now.

    Democrats are upset that Cotton and Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.) — but particularly Cotton — backed the president’s assertion that he did not use racist language during the Jan. 11 meeting.

    Democrats were upset that Cotton tried to redirect the controversy toward Durbin. They want to banish Cotton from any discussions about a Dreamers deal, arguing that he is too toxic to be involved.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/schumer-slams-cotton-trump-meeting-346280

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Thomas


    For a number of Senate Democrats, Cotton — brash, conservative and largely uninterested in compromise — is the personification of what is wrong with the GOP right now.
     
    Politico--always reporting it straight down the middle--as if Dems' opinions are fact. LOL.
    , @Corn
    @Thomas

    I’d say Dick Durbin is too toxic to be involved.

    , @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    Sounds just like Dems and their 'Social Grievance Whiners' enablers:

    "We can have a debate--only you're not allowed to speak."

  33. @Bobby25
    I sat next to Barbara Jordan at a UT football game in Austin when I was a little kid in 1986. Nice lady, but you have to figure she'd be like all the other black Democrats and be all in for massive immigration if she was alive today.

    Replies: @Nico, @william munny, @Father O'Hara, @anonymous, @S. Anonyia

    Sounds like you were nicer as a kid.

    Love this site, but too many commenters are race-obsessed. Or perhaps Divide & Conquer trolls.

  34. … “As a Texan, an American, and a human being,

    Donald Trump is not worthy of uttering her name.”

    What normal person, even a politician, talks like this?

    Grandstand much?

    Just another reason I find this toxic cult (modern liberalism) insufferable.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Patrick in SC



    Donald Trump is not worthy of uttering her name.”
     
    What normal person, even a politician, talks like this?
     
    Usually I'd guess one who thinks he and his people aren't worthy of uttering God's name, but in this case I would think one who says "dio" instead of "dios" because of the perceived polytheistic implication of "dios".
  35. OT, but the Russia Collusion madness has now officially and irrevocably backfired.

    It looks to be as bad for the Dems and their Deep State allies and the media as they ever hoped the story would be for Trump:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/01/18/gaetz-believe-people-will-go-jail-intel-memo/

    It’s what hysteria does. It creates hate hoaxes and Russia Collusion hoaxes. Laws get broken in the process.

    With luck and justice, people go to jail.

    I predict that this is also going to inflict major political damage on all parties involved.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @candid_observer

    The Conservative Treehouse / Last Refuge has been saying this for a while. The predictions made by the writer called Sundance keep coming true.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @candid_observer

    That was one heck of a backfire.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @Forbes
    @candid_observer

    I wouldn't get your hopes up. The only likely way to know the Russian collusion story has backfired is when the ankle-biting media stops reporting on it. And if they stop reporting on it, they'll have moved on to the next outrage-of-the-day.

    If a tree falls in the wood, and the NYTimes doesn't report it, did it make a sound?

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Jack Hanson

    , @guest
    @candid_observer

    I have a feeling the result will be one, giant "um...nevermind," and the whole thing shall just disappear. But hopefully I'm wrong.

  36. @Bubba
    Barbara Jordan, just like Cesar Chavez and way back to Samuel Gompers, were all well known for their stances against legal immigration. It’s laughable to think in today’s environment they would support something as outrageous as illegal immigration. Dems & the effete RINOS don’t know basic American History.

    Replies: @Nico, @Jake, @Ron Mexico

    They do know. They are twisting history, as well as logic, into knots in order to advance goals that make them richer and more powerful, at the direct expense of the vast majority of white Gentile Americans.

  37. OT: is anyone on this site besides Anatoly Karlin going to address what just happened to James Thompson? Including James Thompson?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @keypusher

    Well? enlighten me.

    , @anon
    @keypusher

    This http://www.dcscience.net/2018/01/14/eugenics-ucl-and-freedom-of-speech/ I think.

  38. Isn’t it just like citing Hitler to justify Israel’s human rights record?

  39. It was clever for the Clinton Administration to used Barbara Jordan a public voice for restrictionist immigration policy that appeased their working class base while bringing Cultural Leftism into the mainstream of the Democratic Party. Trump should also remind the triggly puffs of Cesar Chavez’ strategies for combating the illegals.

  40. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    I am 100% for secession, by any state, for any reason.

    Let CA leave the Union. That will accomplish two things. First, it will show that the Union is not sacred, that God did not create the Union and demand that no state ever be allowed to leave it. If states are not going to be slaughtered into submission to be forced to remain, then the Federal Government must become reasonable and much less grandiose.

    Second, it will take a very large and powerfully influential Leftist-run state out of the mix of the US. As Hollywood is the great whore of a Leftist image maker, CA leaving the Union could be the great boon we require to get things back to normal.

    And if CA leaves the Union, you know that Portland and Seattle will demand to do the same. Two more kooky Leftist cities that use their wealth to pervert the rest of the country. More than good riddance.

    And then, if we are really lucky, the Libs who control DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NJ, NYC, and Boston will demand a secession of that northeastern coastal strip.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jake

    Definitely: I do agree with you. Any state should be permitted to regain its independence any time it wants, and for whatever reasons its citizens supply. And the same goes for Ireland, Scotland, Catalonia, hmm the former Soviet republics, the Baltics, former Yugoslavia, Singapore, Eritrea, South Sudan and on and on and on.

    Funny thing--the world didn't explode when those formerly subjugated states regained their freedom, did it? And it won't. There wasn't even much blood shed in most of them. As you say, there's nothing sacred or ordained about the current configuration of political entities. When they outlive their usefulness, we revise them. History has been like this forever.

    The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom.

  41. @syonredux

    Twenty years have passed since the death of Barbara Jordan. On January 17, 1996, the former congresswoman and civil rights icon succumbed to complications of leukemia at a hospital in Texas. She was 59 years old, a beloved national figure who for the previous two years had been chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform.

    Jordan’s death cut short that final public service. It represents the high-water mark of bipartisan efforts to stop illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration by asserting a vision of the national interest over the left-right coalition of ethnic, business, and political interests that seeks more immigration and less enforcement.
     

    One of Jordan’s goals was to reduce legal immigration by eliminating the right for citizens and legal immigrants to sponsor the immigration of siblings. President Clinton endorsed that aim and then backed off, in what the Boston Globe described as a favor to Chinese-Americans who had donated heavily to the Democratic Party.2 The authors of the book The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform observed that “Clinton could not as easily have abandoned the Commission’s proposals on legal reform had Jordan survived.”3
     

    In 1993, Clinton appointed Jordan to chair the Commission on Immigration Reform. She took the place of Cardinal Bernard Law, whose term expired at the end of the Bush presidency. Had Law continued as chairman, he certainly would have pushed it in a direction far different from that pursued by Jordan. Law, the archbishop of Boston, shared the beliefs of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which called for expansive immigration policies and an embrace of illegal immigrants in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger.15

     


    Jordan wanted be part of a national effort to manage an urgent national problem. That is why the commission’s first report, which took an unambiguous stand in favor of enforcement of legally established immigration limits, was titled “U.S. Immigration Policy: Restoring Credibility”:22

    Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave. The top priorities for detention and removal, of course, are criminal aliens. But for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process.23
     

    The commission did reach consensus on the issue of cutting off the jobs magnet with a computerized registry of all persons authorized to work in the United States. Its recommendation to curtail legal immigration had one dissenting vote, from commission member Warrren Leiden of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. That proposal was to stop granting immigrants the right to sponsor their siblings and adult children, as part of an ever-lengthening process that became known as “chain immigration”. (Minor children would have retained a high priority under the commission proposal.)

    Those key recommendations appeared, in modified form, in legislation that was thwarted by the left-right coalition of advocates of expansive immigration. The coalition included the National Council of La Raza, whose lead immigration lobbyist, Cecilia Munoz (currently director of the White House Domestic Policy Council), responded angrily, “The recommendations are stunningly radical. They’re irresponsible.” Munoz was joined in protest by Karen Narasaki, executive director of the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium. “We are outraged,” Narasaki said. “This is an attack on the Asian community. There are a million Asians whose families have filed applications for them to immigrate in categories that would be eliminated by the commission — brothers and sisters and adult children of U.S. citizens.”

     

    https://cis.org/Report/Remembering-Barbara-Jordan-and-Her-Immigration-Legacy

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Bill Jones

    Damn I like that woman.

    Was there an investigation into her death?

  42. Steve,
    you and your audience would benefit from reading Smear, the new book by Sharyl Attkisson. It lays out the transactional journalism and media world lucidly and covers David Brock, Media Matters and similar actors.

  43. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    Have you ever been to MS or OK?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Many times in the case of the former; several times in the case of the latter. It was a difficult task to select a couple which were even 1) moderately appropriate 2) not too far from the border and 3) not too likely to infuriate many readers here. I didn't really expect to succeed with my choices, but please feel free to provide your own!

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @The preferred nomenclature is...

  44. Steve Sailer, HBD guru: Latins aren’t white.

    Elucidating as always Mr. Sailer

  45. Its over Steve. California will ARREST anyone cooperating with ICE. This from Xavier Becerra, probably Governor after Antonio Villaraigosa.

    The new principles are:

    A. Its never OK to be White.
    B. Its double never OK to be a Straight White man.
    C. Its hate hate hate time for Beta male Straight Whites.

    Its all about hate for White men, basically, for the sin of being beta (that’s 90% of us) and creating the modern technological world which does not allow for much rule by the “natural oligarchy” … the lower ranks of modern urban professionals who view themselves as the divinely appointed to rule over every aspect of flyover life.

    Its all about Identity now — and the actual camps are likely to be constructed for Kulaks five minutes after Trump is impeached and convicted and President for Life Hillary assumes the throne.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Whiskey

    Xavier Becerra needs hauled off in chains. California can not be allowed to go full Confederate on us.

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Whiskey

    I think federal immigration law still trumps state law. One of the more recent precedents was helpfully set by Barack Obama himself when he had is DOJ sue the the State of Arizona.

    Maybe you ought to consider switching to gin.

  46. … “As a Texan, an American, and a human being, I am insulted that Trump would invoke Barbara Jordan’s name to promote his racist and dangerous immigration agenda,” Hinojosa said.

    As a Texan, an American, and a human being, I am insulted that Hinojosa would invoke Barbara Jordan’s name to promote his racist and dangerous immigration agenda.

  47. @candid_observer
    OT, but the Russia Collusion madness has now officially and irrevocably backfired.

    It looks to be as bad for the Dems and their Deep State allies and the media as they ever hoped the story would be for Trump:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/01/18/gaetz-believe-people-will-go-jail-intel-memo/

    It's what hysteria does. It creates hate hoaxes and Russia Collusion hoaxes. Laws get broken in the process.

    With luck and justice, people go to jail.

    I predict that this is also going to inflict major political damage on all parties involved.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Daniel Chieh, @Forbes, @guest

    The Conservative Treehouse / Last Refuge has been saying this for a while. The predictions made by the writer called Sundance keep coming true.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @ben tillman

    Well, a lot of people have been guessing that something like this would turn out to be true.

    What the latest development seems to show is that the evidence of this corruption is now compelling.

    The key issues here are likely to be, how did the Steele dossier figure into the FISA application to spy on the Trump campaign, what did the Obama DOJ and the FBI know about the dossier at the time, and how was that knowledge presented to the FISA court?

    From what Congressional Republicans are saying, it looks to be the worst possible scenario for the parties involved. They no doubt are exaggerating to some extent for effect. Yet there was a hard to manufacture glee in their eyes that suggested that they knew they had the Dems and Deep State dead to rights. They really seemed to be salivating over the prospect.

    We'll see of course how it pans out.

    Replies: @27 year old

  48. @Twinkie
    So, "don't you talk about someone from my team... even though she agreed with you."

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    So, “don’t you talk about someone from my team… even though she agreed with you.”

    It’s the Jaff Schatz theory of truth. Things I say are true only when repeated for reasons I agree with.

  49. @Anonymous

    “I am insulted that Trump would invoke Barbara Jordan’s name to promote his racist and dangerous immigration agenda,” Hinojosa said
     
    Dangerous is right! If we don't get another 50 million third-world immigrants into this country stat, just imagine the danger that awaits us all!

    The White House statement honoring Jordan began by quoting her: “It is both a right and a responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest.”
     
    What a subversive! Didn't she know about the Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution? Didn't she know That's Not Who We Are? (Or wasn't it Who We Were at the time?)

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Or:

    “That’s not who we will be!

  50. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Jack Hanson

    The Trump Foreign Legion.

    Service guarantees citizenship!*




    *to free White persons of good moral character.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @gunner29
    @Jack Hanson


    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.
     
    For youz not a member of the Gun Culture, an M2 is an aircooled .50 caliber machine gun. It's a 90+ year old design, but nobody has come up with something that much better to justify junking it.

    Arnold signed a law to ban them in Kali; not the M2, that was already banned. He banned single shot and semi-autos that shot .50BMG. (Browning Machine Gun) Can hit somebody or something mile and a half away.

    Also known as the Ma Deuce.

    I hope you're going to let the rest of us to fill in with our rifles between the M2's.

    Actually only the counties from LA up the coast to Marin should leave; that's where 80% of the libtards live. Rest of the state is normal and that's where the Main Line of Resistance should be placed. And there are a few in there that would like to stay with the rest of the state.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    , @EdwardM
    @Jack Hanson

    Or re-draw the border wall plan to take a northerly turn just west of Yuma.

    Actually, even better if we let the people in inland California secede from California, as they have just announced their desire to do, and either join their own state as #50 in the new U.S. or join with AZ and/or NV.

    Ditto for eastern OR and WA. The border wall can run north all the way to Canada.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/new-california-wants-to-declare-a-new-state-2018-1

  51. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    I think it’s great that the state of California plans to punish employers who cooperate in any way with ICE.

    Because

    It’s California employers who recruit illegals in third world countries, bring them here and enable them to stay here by employing them. And who funds the legal aid foundations that make sure the children of the illegals get vast welfare benefits? The employers of illegals and all those restaurant, farm, manufacturers chamber of commerce pro immigration lobbying groups

    So let the employers be caught between the state and the feds.

  52. Wonder where they’ll store Jordan’s statue, maybe along side of the soon to be removed statues of Sam Houston and other Alamo defenders. Or maybe they will attach a “Give me your tired, your poor…” plaque to the base. They are petitioning in Buffalo to remove the statue of MLK, because, well , it doesn’t look like him, not because of his stance on immigration, which would now be considered anti-immigrant. Remember, with democrats you can now be for something that you were previously against, i.e., Hillary and Barack and gay marriage. Dems have no stain of original sin.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Buffalo Joe

    Jordan was gay and had a long term partner. Even with that she would have been drummed out of the party nowadays.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  53. @ben tillman
    @candid_observer

    The Conservative Treehouse / Last Refuge has been saying this for a while. The predictions made by the writer called Sundance keep coming true.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    Well, a lot of people have been guessing that something like this would turn out to be true.

    What the latest development seems to show is that the evidence of this corruption is now compelling.

    The key issues here are likely to be, how did the Steele dossier figure into the FISA application to spy on the Trump campaign, what did the Obama DOJ and the FBI know about the dossier at the time, and how was that knowledge presented to the FISA court?

    From what Congressional Republicans are saying, it looks to be the worst possible scenario for the parties involved. They no doubt are exaggerating to some extent for effect. Yet there was a hard to manufacture glee in their eyes that suggested that they knew they had the Dems and Deep State dead to rights. They really seemed to be salivating over the prospect.

    We’ll see of course how it pans out.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @candid_observer

    The key issue is whether anyone has the balls to actually arrest the SOBs.

    To me this looks like another Benghazi. Endless grandstanding for republican cucks to let them avoid having to do anything real like vote for the RAISE act or deporting illegal immigrants.

    Replies: @candid_observer

  54. @candid_observer
    OT, but the Russia Collusion madness has now officially and irrevocably backfired.

    It looks to be as bad for the Dems and their Deep State allies and the media as they ever hoped the story would be for Trump:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/01/18/gaetz-believe-people-will-go-jail-intel-memo/

    It's what hysteria does. It creates hate hoaxes and Russia Collusion hoaxes. Laws get broken in the process.

    With luck and justice, people go to jail.

    I predict that this is also going to inflict major political damage on all parties involved.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Daniel Chieh, @Forbes, @guest

    That was one heck of a backfire.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Daniel Chieh

    Trump may have begun the process of saving the Republic by cleaning out the rot.

  55. @william munny
    @Bobby25

    I don't know if Jordan would be all in for massive immigration. She knew more about it than any current black politician alive. She may have steered things in a very different direction.

    Replies: @jtgw, @Alden

    She served 6 years in Congress. Had she continued to be anti immigration I’m sure she would have been quietly removed from politics.

    By 1980 both parties were very pro immigration Remember Regean’s amnesty?

    Her anti immigration stance is just a historical foot note, like the founders immigration law that immigrants must be free White and of good character Her immigration statement was meaningless in 1996 and is meaningless today.

    A lot of blacks are anti immigration but they are ordinary people who always vote democrat.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Alden

    Ronnie's '86 amnesty deal seemed too close to his Iran-Contra problems, as if he was encouraged to support the former. Maybe old view, but little is ever what it seems in Washington.

  56. @Thomas
    It’s not surprising that a black Texas Democrat in the 1990s would have been an immigration skeptic. Whether the same would be true in 2018, when immigration has meant a bolus of African immigrants into Houston (where Jordan’s district was) to represent, and not just illegals from Mexico anymore, I don’t know.

    OT: apparently Chucky Schumer is very upset that his plan to have his sock puppets on both sides of the table in Congressional immigration debates is falling through, and is trying to declare Tom Cotton persona non grata in them. Always a fount of wisdom about what Republicans absolutely must do, that guy.


    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told President Donald Trump this week that there will be no deal on Dreamers if hard-line conservative GOP Sen. Tom Cotton is involved, according to several congressional sources.

    Schumer also told the president that he was not being well-served by White House staffers during negotiations over the fate of 700,000 young immigrants who face potential deportation if no deal is reached to protect them.
    ...
    Cotton — and his role in the hugely controversial Jan. 11 Oval Office meeting over a potential Senate bipartisan compromise on Dreamers — has become a focus of particular Senate Democrats' ire. There seems to be something about the Arkansas Republican that especially angers them, and they're not shy about letting Trump know.

    In a brief interview, Cotton said Schumer did not want him in the room for the Dreamers' talks, "probably because I would get a good deal, and he wants a bad deal."
    ...
    For a number of Senate Democrats, Cotton — brash, conservative and largely uninterested in compromise — is the personification of what is wrong with the GOP right now.

    Democrats are upset that Cotton and Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.) — but particularly Cotton — backed the president's assertion that he did not use racist language during the Jan. 11 meeting.
    ...
    Democrats were upset that Cotton tried to redirect the controversy toward Durbin. They want to banish Cotton from any discussions about a Dreamers deal, arguing that he is too toxic to be involved.
     

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/schumer-slams-cotton-trump-meeting-346280

    Replies: @Forbes, @Corn, @Anonymous

    For a number of Senate Democrats, Cotton — brash, conservative and largely uninterested in compromise — is the personification of what is wrong with the GOP right now.

    Politico–always reporting it straight down the middle–as if Dems’ opinions are fact. LOL.

  57. @Buffalo Joe
    Wonder where they'll store Jordan's statue, maybe along side of the soon to be removed statues of Sam Houston and other Alamo defenders. Or maybe they will attach a "Give me your tired, your poor..." plaque to the base. They are petitioning in Buffalo to remove the statue of MLK, because, well , it doesn't look like him, not because of his stance on immigration, which would now be considered anti-immigrant. Remember, with democrats you can now be for something that you were previously against, i.e., Hillary and Barack and gay marriage. Dems have no stain of original sin.

    Replies: @Alden

    Jordan was gay and had a long term partner. Even with that she would have been drummed out of the party nowadays.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Alden


    Jordan was gay and had a long term partner.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-lesbians-arent-gay/
  58. @candid_observer
    OT, but the Russia Collusion madness has now officially and irrevocably backfired.

    It looks to be as bad for the Dems and their Deep State allies and the media as they ever hoped the story would be for Trump:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/01/18/gaetz-believe-people-will-go-jail-intel-memo/

    It's what hysteria does. It creates hate hoaxes and Russia Collusion hoaxes. Laws get broken in the process.

    With luck and justice, people go to jail.

    I predict that this is also going to inflict major political damage on all parties involved.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Daniel Chieh, @Forbes, @guest

    I wouldn’t get your hopes up. The only likely way to know the Russian collusion story has backfired is when the ankle-biting media stops reporting on it. And if they stop reporting on it, they’ll have moved on to the next outrage-of-the-day.

    If a tree falls in the wood, and the NYTimes doesn’t report it, did it make a sound?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Forbes

    This appears to be well beyond the power of the media to stop.

    The documents will show what they show. Firings and prosecutions will follow if laws are broken.

    I wouldn't be in any way confident that this would happen under Obama -- which is exactly the general problem of lawlessness in the Obama administration, which is of course what lies behind the spying on the Trump campaign.

    I am still astonished that Samantha Power could unmask untold number of American citizens and get away with it. She apparently claimed -- presumably under oath -- that others were responsible for the unmaskings done under her name. I have no clue how this can be a plausible explanation. No doubt a careful investigation of who was signed on where and when would clear this matter up, but I've seen no suggestion that this is being pursued. But if the political momentum on the "Russia" investigation goes in the other direction, as it looks like it will, she might finally be investigated, and, I'd guess, ultimately brought up on charges.

    I expect in any case that in the fullness of time the Trump DOJ will deal as it must with the abuse of our surveillance apparatus for political purposes.

    Really, if that's what's been going on -- and it seems to be the most likely explanation of what we've seen so far -- how is this not indeed worse than Watergate?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Forbes

    Which they have done, instead running with "RUSSIANS STOLE THE ELECTION BY FUNDING THE NRA". Seriously.

    Twatter suspended the account of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, Prett, Yates, and Comey have gone silent, and the media refuses to discuss the FISA memo.

    So yes.

  59. Off Topic, but a liberal friend gloatingly sent me this article about how Trump really didn’t do much for the coal industry:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-coal-jobs/exclusive-trumps-coal-job-push-stumbles-in-most-states-data-idUSKBN1F81AK

    And I had to laugh because even THIS article put in the VERY LAST PARAGRAPH:

    ”Honest people can differ over how much credit the president deserves for this revival and how much credit belongs to market forces,“ he added. ”To those of us closest to the coal industry, there is little question that the administration’s regulatory reset … has made a decisive difference.”

  60. @Daniel Chieh
    @candid_observer

    That was one heck of a backfire.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Trump may have begun the process of saving the Republic by cleaning out the rot.

  61. @candid_observer
    OT, but the Russia Collusion madness has now officially and irrevocably backfired.

    It looks to be as bad for the Dems and their Deep State allies and the media as they ever hoped the story would be for Trump:

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/01/18/gaetz-believe-people-will-go-jail-intel-memo/

    It's what hysteria does. It creates hate hoaxes and Russia Collusion hoaxes. Laws get broken in the process.

    With luck and justice, people go to jail.

    I predict that this is also going to inflict major political damage on all parties involved.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Daniel Chieh, @Forbes, @guest

    I have a feeling the result will be one, giant “um…nevermind,” and the whole thing shall just disappear. But hopefully I’m wrong.

  62. Poor Ms. Jordan didn’t have the benefit of news stories from Aljazeera about how black Americans are moving back to Africa, because America is too much of a ****hole country:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @ConservaWhig

    At the end of the Rock Hudson mini-series "The Martian Chronicles" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080242/) he destroys the rocket that can return him to earth after looking at a reflection of his companion and himself and saying like 'We are martians.'

    These African-Americans need to drop the American label by renouncing their citizenship so they can go full native.

  63. @candid_observer
    @ben tillman

    Well, a lot of people have been guessing that something like this would turn out to be true.

    What the latest development seems to show is that the evidence of this corruption is now compelling.

    The key issues here are likely to be, how did the Steele dossier figure into the FISA application to spy on the Trump campaign, what did the Obama DOJ and the FBI know about the dossier at the time, and how was that knowledge presented to the FISA court?

    From what Congressional Republicans are saying, it looks to be the worst possible scenario for the parties involved. They no doubt are exaggerating to some extent for effect. Yet there was a hard to manufacture glee in their eyes that suggested that they knew they had the Dems and Deep State dead to rights. They really seemed to be salivating over the prospect.

    We'll see of course how it pans out.

    Replies: @27 year old

    The key issue is whether anyone has the balls to actually arrest the SOBs.

    To me this looks like another Benghazi. Endless grandstanding for republican cucks to let them avoid having to do anything real like vote for the RAISE act or deporting illegal immigrants.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @27 year old

    One very big difference with Benghazi is that it is now the Republicans that control the executive branch.

    Nothing was easier to do for the Obama administration than for it to cover its own tracks. It was shameless in doing so.

    God only knows how much damning information was hidden from Congress in this case. Everybody in the administration and in the Deep State did their part to obfuscate as necessary.

  64. @Thomas
    It’s not surprising that a black Texas Democrat in the 1990s would have been an immigration skeptic. Whether the same would be true in 2018, when immigration has meant a bolus of African immigrants into Houston (where Jordan’s district was) to represent, and not just illegals from Mexico anymore, I don’t know.

    OT: apparently Chucky Schumer is very upset that his plan to have his sock puppets on both sides of the table in Congressional immigration debates is falling through, and is trying to declare Tom Cotton persona non grata in them. Always a fount of wisdom about what Republicans absolutely must do, that guy.


    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told President Donald Trump this week that there will be no deal on Dreamers if hard-line conservative GOP Sen. Tom Cotton is involved, according to several congressional sources.

    Schumer also told the president that he was not being well-served by White House staffers during negotiations over the fate of 700,000 young immigrants who face potential deportation if no deal is reached to protect them.
    ...
    Cotton — and his role in the hugely controversial Jan. 11 Oval Office meeting over a potential Senate bipartisan compromise on Dreamers — has become a focus of particular Senate Democrats' ire. There seems to be something about the Arkansas Republican that especially angers them, and they're not shy about letting Trump know.

    In a brief interview, Cotton said Schumer did not want him in the room for the Dreamers' talks, "probably because I would get a good deal, and he wants a bad deal."
    ...
    For a number of Senate Democrats, Cotton — brash, conservative and largely uninterested in compromise — is the personification of what is wrong with the GOP right now.

    Democrats are upset that Cotton and Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.) — but particularly Cotton — backed the president's assertion that he did not use racist language during the Jan. 11 meeting.
    ...
    Democrats were upset that Cotton tried to redirect the controversy toward Durbin. They want to banish Cotton from any discussions about a Dreamers deal, arguing that he is too toxic to be involved.
     

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/schumer-slams-cotton-trump-meeting-346280

    Replies: @Forbes, @Corn, @Anonymous

    I’d say Dick Durbin is too toxic to be involved.

  65. @Whiskey
    Its over Steve. California will ARREST anyone cooperating with ICE. This from Xavier Becerra, probably Governor after Antonio Villaraigosa.

    The new principles are:

    A. Its never OK to be White.
    B. Its double never OK to be a Straight White man.
    C. Its hate hate hate time for Beta male Straight Whites.

    Its all about hate for White men, basically, for the sin of being beta (that's 90% of us) and creating the modern technological world which does not allow for much rule by the "natural oligarchy" ... the lower ranks of modern urban professionals who view themselves as the divinely appointed to rule over every aspect of flyover life.

    Its all about Identity now -- and the actual camps are likely to be constructed for Kulaks five minutes after Trump is impeached and convicted and President for Life Hillary assumes the throne.

    Replies: @Corn, @Intelligent Dasein

    Xavier Becerra needs hauled off in chains. California can not be allowed to go full Confederate on us.

  66. @Forbes
    @candid_observer

    I wouldn't get your hopes up. The only likely way to know the Russian collusion story has backfired is when the ankle-biting media stops reporting on it. And if they stop reporting on it, they'll have moved on to the next outrage-of-the-day.

    If a tree falls in the wood, and the NYTimes doesn't report it, did it make a sound?

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Jack Hanson

    This appears to be well beyond the power of the media to stop.

    The documents will show what they show. Firings and prosecutions will follow if laws are broken.

    I wouldn’t be in any way confident that this would happen under Obama — which is exactly the general problem of lawlessness in the Obama administration, which is of course what lies behind the spying on the Trump campaign.

    I am still astonished that Samantha Power could unmask untold number of American citizens and get away with it. She apparently claimed — presumably under oath — that others were responsible for the unmaskings done under her name. I have no clue how this can be a plausible explanation. No doubt a careful investigation of who was signed on where and when would clear this matter up, but I’ve seen no suggestion that this is being pursued. But if the political momentum on the “Russia” investigation goes in the other direction, as it looks like it will, she might finally be investigated, and, I’d guess, ultimately brought up on charges.

    I expect in any case that in the fullness of time the Trump DOJ will deal as it must with the abuse of our surveillance apparatus for political purposes.

    Really, if that’s what’s been going on — and it seems to be the most likely explanation of what we’ve seen so far — how is this not indeed worse than Watergate?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    With all due respect, you appear to be living in some kind of alternate dimension in which actual facts matter one whit to the owners of the MSM.

  67. @jtgw
    @william munny

    Here's Dianne Feinstein from the same period:

    https://www.ac2news.com/2018/01/this-is-dianne-feinstein-on-illegal-immigration-in-1994-makes-trump-look-like-a-piker-should-that-wall-be-electrified-senator-wow-video/

    And Harry Reid also notoriously spoke out against birthright citizenship.

    Replies: @Bill

    Huh. It’s almost as if crushing the unions was, I don’t know, some kind of mistake.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    @Bill

    I don't see the connection.

  68. @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous

    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @gunner29, @EdwardM

    The Trump Foreign Legion.

    Service guarantees citizenship!*

    *to free White persons of good moral character.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @BenKenobi

    Im sure there's more than a few Saafies and Rhodesians who'd be lining up.

  69. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    I say let California secede. …
    Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it’ll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Joke: let them secede

    Broke: kick them out

    Woke: declare them in rebellion, suspend all federal payments to CA and put every CA personal and business bank account on the OFAC naughty list, then do another Sherman’s march to the sea.

    But in serious, there is no reason to feel bad or reluctant to “give up” the great natural prize that is California.

    It’s already lost. Whites will eventually either reconquer it for ourselves or we won’t.

    But if/when we do, it won’t make a difference whether it is nominally part of America.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @27 year old

    I’m a Californian in exile in the Midwest. The money and lives spent trying to convert s***hole countries like Afghanistan into something they can never be would be better spent invading and restoring California as a functioning part of the United States.

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @27 year old

    Hell, let them have it for now. We'll get it back soon enough for pennies on the dollar.

  70. @Forbes
    @candid_observer

    I wouldn't get your hopes up. The only likely way to know the Russian collusion story has backfired is when the ankle-biting media stops reporting on it. And if they stop reporting on it, they'll have moved on to the next outrage-of-the-day.

    If a tree falls in the wood, and the NYTimes doesn't report it, did it make a sound?

    Replies: @candid_observer, @Jack Hanson

    Which they have done, instead running with “RUSSIANS STOLE THE ELECTION BY FUNDING THE NRA”. Seriously.

    Twatter suspended the account of the House Select Committee on Intelligence, Prett, Yates, and Comey have gone silent, and the media refuses to discuss the FISA memo.

    So yes.

  71. That being said, arrests and indictments and trials are the real metric.

  72. @27 year old
    @candid_observer

    The key issue is whether anyone has the balls to actually arrest the SOBs.

    To me this looks like another Benghazi. Endless grandstanding for republican cucks to let them avoid having to do anything real like vote for the RAISE act or deporting illegal immigrants.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    One very big difference with Benghazi is that it is now the Republicans that control the executive branch.

    Nothing was easier to do for the Obama administration than for it to cover its own tracks. It was shameless in doing so.

    God only knows how much damning information was hidden from Congress in this case. Everybody in the administration and in the Deep State did their part to obfuscate as necessary.

  73. @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous

    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @gunner29, @EdwardM

    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.

    For youz not a member of the Gun Culture, an M2 is an aircooled .50 caliber machine gun. It’s a 90+ year old design, but nobody has come up with something that much better to justify junking it.

    Arnold signed a law to ban them in Kali; not the M2, that was already banned. He banned single shot and semi-autos that shot .50BMG. (Browning Machine Gun) Can hit somebody or something mile and a half away.

    Also known as the Ma Deuce.

    I hope you’re going to let the rest of us to fill in with our rifles between the M2’s.

    Actually only the counties from LA up the coast to Marin should leave; that’s where 80% of the libtards live. Rest of the state is normal and that’s where the Main Line of Resistance should be placed. And there are a few in there that would like to stay with the rest of the state.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @gunner29

    They better get out while they can then. The "lolbertarian Republican from California" who's issues come down to "don't tax me or touch my weed" is a trope at this point.

  74. OT: New dirty limerick

    Newest details about Stormy Daniels
    (Being leaked to the public in granules):
    Before he dismissed ’er,
    Trump whizzed in her kisser,
    Then caca’d all over her spaniels.

  75. @WJ
    @Anonymous

    Got news for you, Cali is one of the crappiest states in the country. Outside of the narrow coastal strip, even the weather is crappy. The cities are crappy concrete jungles filled with illegal aliens jamming the highways and you have crappy favelas sprouting up on the fringes of formerly nice places like Santa Ana. The "Inland Empire" is simply dreadful. I would rather spend a week in dreadful Jackson, Miss than a day in Riverside, San Bernadino or God forbid, Fresno.

    In Frisco you need a Smart Phone app to dodge the fecal matter on the streets. I would say that epitomizes crappy. As we all know, many rational middle class people are voting with their feet and leaving that crappy place.

    Replies: @Benjaminl

    Just saw this nice, I mean infuriating, 10-minute clip on Twitter — they said Anaheim.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    @Benjaminl

    Yep. That's the Angel's Big A in the background and Mt. Baldy way out on the horizon. Driven by there and walked down there many times. The growth of that encampment was slow for years, then bang, from one year to the next, it turned into a sprawling shanty town.

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @WJ
    @Benjaminl

    Such a depressing video.

    I took my wife out to Southern California a few years ago. She wanted to go because I had always raved about it from my military time and work trips, but when we were there all she could comment on was how dirty it was. Even Hollywood and it's legendary aura just had a tawdry,dirty, run-down feel to it.

    She also didn't like the cool coastal climate, which is actually my favorite aspect of coastal California. I still remember being at Camp Pendelton in the summer of 1980 and the midwest was undergoing a ferocious heatwave with 100+ temperatures all summer while in beautiful San Clemente, you needed a light jacket to comfortably walk out on the pier.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Anonymous

  76. They will re-write history. They did it with Caesar Chavez. No one believes me when I say that Chavez was anti-immigration for most of his life.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Seth Largo

    Here are some quotes by Gompers:

    ” One thing to be considered in discussing immigration is that the greater the number of immigrants the less American the United States becomes. . . . The American Federation of Labor believes that the foreigners now in this country should be assimilated before others are permitted to come except from such countries as Great Britain, France, Germany and Scandinavia. (SG to William Gerber, May 31, 1923)”

    ” I agree with you, too, that it is hardly fair to have our people crowded out of employment by those who simply come here for the purpose of working at low wages — higher than those they may be accustomed to in their own countries– and then after a while return there.”

    ” The workers of America have felt most keenly the pernicious results of the establishment of foreign standards of work, wages and conduct in American industries and commerce. Foreign standards of wages do not permit American standards of life. Foreign labor has driven American workers out of many trades, callings, and communities, and the influence of those lower standards has permeated widely. . . . The labor movement has urged the adoption of a national policy that would enable us to select as future citizens of our country those who can be assimilated and made truly American. .”

    Replies: @Ivy

  77. @Benjaminl
    @WJ

    Just saw this nice, I mean infuriating, 10-minute clip on Twitter -- they said Anaheim.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvCGtxeknSg

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @WJ

    Yep. That’s the Angel’s Big A in the background and Mt. Baldy way out on the horizon. Driven by there and walked down there many times. The growth of that encampment was slow for years, then bang, from one year to the next, it turned into a sprawling shanty town.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Seth Largo

    LA has several large encampments ranging from sidewalk tent cities (Obamavilles?) to Hollywood, then along freeway rights of way. Things get more festive in the runoff areas along the concrete LA River channel, which can go from dry to a cold, deep raging torrent quickly during a storm. Embankments aren't that secure, as many unfortunates find out each winter when their meager possessions are swept away. The weather and the welfare bring people in. Subsidize something and you seem to get more of it.

  78. Ideas vs. Identity

    Intellectuals touting “identity” is a complete abandonment of Western culture. It is the height of hypocrisy.

    Christian Western culture is intellectual – it made up of many identities who share base intellectual ideals. It is a champion of moral intellectual based ethics for all people. Ethics is king – not biological identity.

    It is divide and conquer Jew politics, that push us into tribal identities. Tribal diversity is a scam.

    Think Peace — Art

  79. Did some research in my gun library and the .50BMG and the M2 are 100 years old! The army didn’t officially adopt the gun until 1927, but it was first built in 1918.

  80. @Whiskey
    Its over Steve. California will ARREST anyone cooperating with ICE. This from Xavier Becerra, probably Governor after Antonio Villaraigosa.

    The new principles are:

    A. Its never OK to be White.
    B. Its double never OK to be a Straight White man.
    C. Its hate hate hate time for Beta male Straight Whites.

    Its all about hate for White men, basically, for the sin of being beta (that's 90% of us) and creating the modern technological world which does not allow for much rule by the "natural oligarchy" ... the lower ranks of modern urban professionals who view themselves as the divinely appointed to rule over every aspect of flyover life.

    Its all about Identity now -- and the actual camps are likely to be constructed for Kulaks five minutes after Trump is impeached and convicted and President for Life Hillary assumes the throne.

    Replies: @Corn, @Intelligent Dasein

    I think federal immigration law still trumps state law. One of the more recent precedents was helpfully set by Barack Obama himself when he had is DOJ sue the the State of Arizona.

    Maybe you ought to consider switching to gin.

  81. @John Pepple
    Who was it who said something to the effect that a liberal can become a conservative in just twenty years without changing his mind on a single issue?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Hibernian

    Hint: It’s known as “Pepple’s Law”.

    • Replies: @John Pepple
    @ben tillman

    Ha, thanks, but I can't claim to have said it first. I saw it somewhere, but I can't remember who said it.

  82. The Africanization of American politics, the (further) vindication of Lee Kwan Kew, the irrelevance of literacy.
    I’ll try to find theold video of the Detroit town hall meeting with the city council, where a white labor union leader is kowtowing, and (I believe it’s Barbara Conyers) is growling that his (white) union members don’t “look like” her (black) constituents. An organizing principle nobody but a college graduate can fail to understand.

  83. Anonymous [AKA "exiled"] says:
    @27 year old
    @Anonymous


    I say let California secede. ...
    Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it’ll be fun to watch what happens to it.
     
    Joke: let them secede

    Broke: kick them out

    Woke: declare them in rebellion, suspend all federal payments to CA and put every CA personal and business bank account on the OFAC naughty list, then do another Sherman's march to the sea.

    But in serious, there is no reason to feel bad or reluctant to "give up" the great natural prize that is California.

    It's already lost. Whites will eventually either reconquer it for ourselves or we won't.

    But if/when we do, it won't make a difference whether it is nominally part of America.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    I’m a Californian in exile in the Midwest. The money and lives spent trying to convert s***hole countries like Afghanistan into something they can never be would be better spent invading and restoring California as a functioning part of the United States.

  84. @Benjaminl
    @WJ

    Just saw this nice, I mean infuriating, 10-minute clip on Twitter -- they said Anaheim.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvCGtxeknSg

    Replies: @Seth Largo, @WJ

    Such a depressing video.

    I took my wife out to Southern California a few years ago. She wanted to go because I had always raved about it from my military time and work trips, but when we were there all she could comment on was how dirty it was. Even Hollywood and it’s legendary aura just had a tawdry,dirty, run-down feel to it.

    She also didn’t like the cool coastal climate, which is actually my favorite aspect of coastal California. I still remember being at Camp Pendelton in the summer of 1980 and the midwest was undergoing a ferocious heatwave with 100+ temperatures all summer while in beautiful San Clemente, you needed a light jacket to comfortably walk out on the pier.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @WJ

    I remember that heat wave of 1980 very well. I got my first job that summer. Some of it was inside, some out. Then I played or practiced baseball at night. HOT.

    , @Anonymous
    @WJ


    She also didn’t like the cool coastal climate, which is actually my favorite aspect of coastal California. I still remember being at Camp Pendelton in the summer of 1980 and the midwest was undergoing a ferocious heatwave with 100+ temperatures all summer while in beautiful San Clemente, you needed a light jacket to comfortably walk out on the pier.
     
    That's actually the part I'll hate giving up the most. It's like heaven on earth, or it would be had our superiors not seen fit to make a hell of it. That, and the mountains, which are still largely unspoiled, at least in the off-season.

    Move the 'people' out and California could be Paradise Regained.

  85. OT/OT:

    Good news in the offing – the government may close down – at least for a moment!

    No doubt another game of ‘fake’ closedown so both sides can claim they tried to exact their program but had to – hold on – compromise their ideals and settle for less in the name of the American people.

  86. @Alden
    @Buffalo Joe

    Jordan was gay and had a long term partner. Even with that she would have been drummed out of the party nowadays.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Jordan was gay and had a long term partner.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-lesbians-arent-gay/

  87. Kabukispiel der Gutmenschen.

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/954462354531524608

    Replies: @eah, @Opinionator

    , @SFG
    @eah

    Honestly, this could be very good news.

    Right now Trump's treading water and taking fire from the media, and the GOP is looking really bad for trying to throw everyone off healthcare and give a huge tax cut to rich people, and is severely lagging in the polls. ('Fiscal conservatism', ie plutocracy and a weak welfare state, is the real reason we can't get any white immigrants). If the *Democrats* shut down the government to protect *illegal immigrants*, they are going to become a lot less popular, will lose the 'good-government' edge with moderates, and we might retain Congress and possibly even get another 4 years of Trump...he seems to be learning on the job.

    Replies: @eah

  88. OT — purge the judiciary now
    Larry Nasser was a sports doctor who was convicted of molesting patients; for this comment we will assume he is completely guilty. The female judge presiding over this call to riot has announced she is “clearing her dockets” to make time for every single supposed victim to confront Nasser, People’s Court style, and make the sort of revenge speech that any understanding of any civilized legal system ought to preclude. And I mean revenge speech: the one Michigan Public Radio quotes is from a prison guard (the father of one victim. I guess they’re letting family members make speeches too, because, hey, why not) who elaborately but clearly said that he hopes that Larry Nasser gets repeatedly raped. This is why already much delayed court cases had to be postponed further. This is the American justice system. There will be more reports “next week as the sentencing hearing continues.”

  89. @Patrick in SC

    … “As a Texan, an American, and a human being,
     

    Donald Trump is not worthy of uttering her name.”
     
    What normal person, even a politician, talks like this?

    Grandstand much?

    Just another reason I find this toxic cult (modern liberalism) insufferable.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Donald Trump is not worthy of uttering her name.”

    What normal person, even a politician, talks like this?

    Usually I’d guess one who thinks he and his people aren’t worthy of uttering God’s name, but in this case I would think one who says “dio” instead of “dios” because of the perceived polytheistic implication of “dios”.

  90. @Bill
    @jtgw

    Huh. It's almost as if crushing the unions was, I don't know, some kind of mistake.

    Replies: @jtgw

    I don’t see the connection.

  91. @syonredux

    Twenty years have passed since the death of Barbara Jordan. On January 17, 1996, the former congresswoman and civil rights icon succumbed to complications of leukemia at a hospital in Texas. She was 59 years old, a beloved national figure who for the previous two years had been chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform.

    Jordan’s death cut short that final public service. It represents the high-water mark of bipartisan efforts to stop illegal immigration and reduce legal immigration by asserting a vision of the national interest over the left-right coalition of ethnic, business, and political interests that seeks more immigration and less enforcement.
     

    One of Jordan’s goals was to reduce legal immigration by eliminating the right for citizens and legal immigrants to sponsor the immigration of siblings. President Clinton endorsed that aim and then backed off, in what the Boston Globe described as a favor to Chinese-Americans who had donated heavily to the Democratic Party.2 The authors of the book The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform observed that “Clinton could not as easily have abandoned the Commission’s proposals on legal reform had Jordan survived.”3
     

    In 1993, Clinton appointed Jordan to chair the Commission on Immigration Reform. She took the place of Cardinal Bernard Law, whose term expired at the end of the Bush presidency. Had Law continued as chairman, he certainly would have pushed it in a direction far different from that pursued by Jordan. Law, the archbishop of Boston, shared the beliefs of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which called for expansive immigration policies and an embrace of illegal immigrants in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger.15

     


    Jordan wanted be part of a national effort to manage an urgent national problem. That is why the commission’s first report, which took an unambiguous stand in favor of enforcement of legally established immigration limits, was titled “U.S. Immigration Policy: Restoring Credibility”:22

    Deportation is crucial. Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave. The top priorities for detention and removal, of course, are criminal aliens. But for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process.23
     

    The commission did reach consensus on the issue of cutting off the jobs magnet with a computerized registry of all persons authorized to work in the United States. Its recommendation to curtail legal immigration had one dissenting vote, from commission member Warrren Leiden of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. That proposal was to stop granting immigrants the right to sponsor their siblings and adult children, as part of an ever-lengthening process that became known as “chain immigration”. (Minor children would have retained a high priority under the commission proposal.)

    Those key recommendations appeared, in modified form, in legislation that was thwarted by the left-right coalition of advocates of expansive immigration. The coalition included the National Council of La Raza, whose lead immigration lobbyist, Cecilia Munoz (currently director of the White House Domestic Policy Council), responded angrily, “The recommendations are stunningly radical. They’re irresponsible.” Munoz was joined in protest by Karen Narasaki, executive director of the National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium. “We are outraged,” Narasaki said. “This is an attack on the Asian community. There are a million Asians whose families have filed applications for them to immigrate in categories that would be eliminated by the commission — brothers and sisters and adult children of U.S. citizens.”

     

    https://cis.org/Report/Remembering-Barbara-Jordan-and-Her-Immigration-Legacy

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Bill Jones

    ” in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger”

    The Injunction was to welcome the Sojourner,

    I.E Someone who is passing through, not a permanent immigrant.

    As always the lunatic left lies.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Bill Jones



    ” in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger”

     

    Is it possible she is referring to the passage in the Torah book of Leviticus where Moses tells the children of Israel that "the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you"?
  92. @Seth Largo
    They will re-write history. They did it with Caesar Chavez. No one believes me when I say that Chavez was anti-immigration for most of his life.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Here are some quotes by Gompers:

    ” One thing to be considered in discussing immigration is that the greater the number of immigrants the less American the United States becomes. . . . The American Federation of Labor believes that the foreigners now in this country should be assimilated before others are permitted to come except from such countries as Great Britain, France, Germany and Scandinavia. (SG to William Gerber, May 31, 1923)”

    ” I agree with you, too, that it is hardly fair to have our people crowded out of employment by those who simply come here for the purpose of working at low wages — higher than those they may be accustomed to in their own countries– and then after a while return there.”

    ” The workers of America have felt most keenly the pernicious results of the establishment of foreign standards of work, wages and conduct in American industries and commerce. Foreign standards of wages do not permit American standards of life. Foreign labor has driven American workers out of many trades, callings, and communities, and the influence of those lower standards has permeated widely. . . . The labor movement has urged the adoption of a national policy that would enable us to select as future citizens of our country those who can be assimilated and made truly American. .”

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Bill Jones

    Gompers was onto some key ideas.

    Nowadays, less immigration helps lower black unemployment (less competition to undercut wages and cause neighborhood churn, like in LA),

    leading toward more household formation (jobs and income help on the margin)

    and more stable communities (see above).

    That also helps reduce crime and police budgets (LA would surely benefit, not so sure about how fast in Chicago or Baltimore)

    increases likelihood of school attendance and skill development.

    Seemingly many related bank shots, but not so far-fetched as far as virtuous circles go. It would seem to beat the alternatives we've seen for the past decades.

  93. @27 year old
    @Anonymous


    I say let California secede. ...
    Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it’ll be fun to watch what happens to it.
     
    Joke: let them secede

    Broke: kick them out

    Woke: declare them in rebellion, suspend all federal payments to CA and put every CA personal and business bank account on the OFAC naughty list, then do another Sherman's march to the sea.

    But in serious, there is no reason to feel bad or reluctant to "give up" the great natural prize that is California.

    It's already lost. Whites will eventually either reconquer it for ourselves or we won't.

    But if/when we do, it won't make a difference whether it is nominally part of America.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Hell, let them have it for now. We’ll get it back soon enough for pennies on the dollar.

    • LOL: ben tillman
  94. @Anon
    Well, ideas engage the mind in a rational direction. "Identity" (politics) goes straight to the gut, the emotions. Madison Avenue knows perfectly well what is more useful in mobilizing people.

    Trump should find campaign-worthy slogans to shape public perception of immigration policy. He used to be good at that. "America has the right to deny entry" "America's huddled masses come first" "no matter who you are, to America you come legal or you don't come at all". Or the Austrian angle "We don't enable human traffickers". Build on MAGA discourse, use focus groups, teach.

    It should be very easy, Twitter for once an aid. It's the bully pulpit, stupid.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    Well, ideas engage the mind in a rational direction. “Identity” (politics) goes straight to the gut, the emotions. Madison Avenue knows perfectly well what is more useful in mobilizing people.

    GO FOR THE GUT?

    We must guard against the retreat into cynicism when discussing momentous matters of immigration law and the future of European Christendom.

    OR, WE CAN GO FOR THE GUT!

    Nigel Farage Used The GUT Issue Of Immigration To Sever The UK From The EU.

    I prefer the retreat into cynicism; that’s where the power is.

    Tweet from 2015 about UKIP strategy:

    Mass immigration is a GUT issue easily digestible by dolts of all IQ levels; asset purchases from ECB is not.

  95. @WJ
    @Benjaminl

    Such a depressing video.

    I took my wife out to Southern California a few years ago. She wanted to go because I had always raved about it from my military time and work trips, but when we were there all she could comment on was how dirty it was. Even Hollywood and it's legendary aura just had a tawdry,dirty, run-down feel to it.

    She also didn't like the cool coastal climate, which is actually my favorite aspect of coastal California. I still remember being at Camp Pendelton in the summer of 1980 and the midwest was undergoing a ferocious heatwave with 100+ temperatures all summer while in beautiful San Clemente, you needed a light jacket to comfortably walk out on the pier.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Anonymous

    I remember that heat wave of 1980 very well. I got my first job that summer. Some of it was inside, some out. Then I played or practiced baseball at night. HOT.

  96. @keypusher
    OT: is anyone on this site besides Anatoly Karlin going to address what just happened to James Thompson? Including James Thompson?

    Replies: @Anon, @anon

    Well? enlighten me.

  97. Retcon History Dept,

    New DEATH OF STALIN Trailer Finds Funny In Fascism

    Needless to say, when The Death of Stalin began, I sat on that uncomfortable slab of plastic and metal through the movie’s entirety, laughing until my sides hurt. Armando Iannucci has seemingly done the impossible: mined a deadly, fascist dictatorship for an incredible amount of humor. It’s also easily the meanest work of his career, which is certainly saying something.

    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/01/19/new-death-of-stalin-trailer-finds-funny-in-fascism

    So, according to the Leftist Lumpengentsia, super-commie Joseph Stalin was a Fascist…..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Yeah, but apparently he was the funny kind of fascist, not the other kind.

    How many deaths was Stalin responsible for again? Side-splitting innit?

    Replies: @anon

  98. @Lot

    We seem to be living in, if not a golden age, at least a bronze age of bronze statues. Nobody pays too much attention to the new ones, but recent ones are all over the place. I rather like them.
     
    They seem to be kind of sentimental and cartoonish looking in my experience. The one of Jordan less bad than normal.

    I like giant equestrian statues of the heroes who defeated barbarian invaders.

    Here is one of in San Diego that Steve must have seen on his last trip of one of the greatest heroes of the Spanish Reconquest:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid_Campeador_(sculpture)#/media/File%3ADetalle_de_la_estatua_el_Cid_(Parque_de_Balboa).jpg

    Here is Jan Sobieski trampling a Turk underhoof.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equestrian_statue#/media/File%3A%C5%81azienki_%E2%80%93_most_z_pomnikiem_Jana_III_Sobieskiego_%E2%80%93_20.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Logan

    Jan’s horse is more like a pony, and he’s a contender in the Silly Hat Contest.

  99. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    I say put all the immigrants in California and cede it to Mexico. Just say “here, I always knew you wanted it anyway”. Then let them try to secede from Mexico.

    • Replies: @anonomy
    @anonomy

    If immigrants are so great for our economy and standard of living just think what they will do for Mexico. Wouldn't a large in-flux of people say 22-30 million, prop up their sagging economy.

  100. @eah
    Kabukispiel der Gutmenschen.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT47XLSVMAASKER.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @SFG

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/AlfredAlbion/status/954412630730575873

    , @Opinionator
    @eah

    Culture of guilt or culture of shame?

  101. @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/954462354531524608

    Replies: @eah, @Opinionator

  102. @Bobby25
    I sat next to Barbara Jordan at a UT football game in Austin when I was a little kid in 1986. Nice lady, but you have to figure she'd be like all the other black Democrats and be all in for massive immigration if she was alive today.

    Replies: @Nico, @william munny, @Father O'Hara, @anonymous, @S. Anonyia

    Even if true (who knows really) doesn’t it just prove the point that it’s the media/academia pushing everyone towards team-based extremism?

  103. @BenKenobi
    @Jack Hanson

    The Trump Foreign Legion.

    Service guarantees citizenship!*




    *to free White persons of good moral character.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Im sure there’s more than a few Saafies and Rhodesians who’d be lining up.

  104. Off-topic:

    Golfocaust Alert

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/opinion/clubbable-but-in-the-worst-way.html

    One way social sorting among the various classes took place was via country clubs. The Jews had their country clubs, the Catholics had theirs, and the fallen-on-hard-times WASPs had theirs, whose thresholds we Jews were not allowed to cross.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Benjaminl

    That's a confusing second sentence. Everyone had their own clubs, including Jews, but for some reason we emphasize the exclusion of Jews. Even though they had their own clubs, from which they excluded whomever they chose. Just like everyone else.

    Sorta like how everyone's racist, but it's only a bad thing amongst whites. Because...you name it.

    Replies: @üeljang, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

  105. @anonomy
    @Anonymous

    I say put all the immigrants in California and cede it to Mexico. Just say "here, I always knew you wanted it anyway". Then let them try to secede from Mexico.

    Replies: @anonomy

    If immigrants are so great for our economy and standard of living just think what they will do for Mexico. Wouldn’t a large in-flux of people say 22-30 million, prop up their sagging economy.

  106. @JollyOldSoul
    We could probably wage this entire immigration debate using only quotes from revered Democrats and RINOs of the last 50-60 years and using laws passed by Democrat-controlled states. Ted Kennedy would provide more than a few of those quotes. He's the one who professed he didn't want to 'upset the ethnic balance of America' (1965) and pledged to 'secure the border of America' and 'never propose another amnesty again' (1986). Even Harry Reid vociferously opposed birthright citizenship and John McCain told us to 'build the danged wall.'

    Hell, iirc, it was an overwhelmingly Democratic Texas state legislature that passed the law banning illegal immigrant children from attending public schools that was overturned (just barely) by Plyler v. Doe. And it was basically he same California voters who voted for Bill Clinton, Diane Feinstein, and Barbara Boxer in 1992 who voted for Prop 187 by 59-41 in 1994.

    Replies: @MarcB.

    We could probably wage this entire immigration debate using only quotes from revered Democrats and RINOs of the last 50-60 years

    The RINO quotes may harder to come by since they were the original supporters of the illegal invasion from the South. Rush Limbaugh brushed off concerns about illegal immigration until the worm had already turned in 2006, as the realization that years of his attempts at swaying his listeners on the issue had been in vain set in. The Establishment Left were publicly against illegal immigration until the early 2000’s, but privately they were aware that the demographic change would eventually pay dividends for them in the ballot box.

  107. @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/954462354531524608

    Replies: @eah, @Opinionator

    Culture of guilt or culture of shame?

  108. @keypusher
    OT: is anyone on this site besides Anatoly Karlin going to address what just happened to James Thompson? Including James Thompson?

    Replies: @Anon, @anon

  109. @Benjaminl
    Off-topic:

    Golfocaust Alert


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/opinion/clubbable-but-in-the-worst-way.html

    One way social sorting among the various classes took place was via country clubs. The Jews had their country clubs, the Catholics had theirs, and the fallen-on-hard-times WASPs had theirs, whose thresholds we Jews were not allowed to cross.
     

    Replies: @guest

    That’s a confusing second sentence. Everyone had their own clubs, including Jews, but for some reason we emphasize the exclusion of Jews. Even though they had their own clubs, from which they excluded whomever they chose. Just like everyone else.

    Sorta like how everyone’s racist, but it’s only a bad thing amongst whites. Because…you name it.

    • Replies: @üeljang
    @guest

    Because everyone (or at least a significant number) of those other groups wants to join the whites in the white club, whereas no sane white person wants to join "those other people" in their club.

    You might not be interested in diversity, but diversity is interested in you. That's really all there is to it.

    Replies: @guest

    , @Anonymous
    @guest

    It's clearly that they don't want what you have--they just want you not to have it.

    , @Desiderius
    @guest


    we emphasize the exclusion of Jews
     
    We?

    No, we don't.
  110. @Bubba
    Barbara Jordan, just like Cesar Chavez and way back to Samuel Gompers, were all well known for their stances against legal immigration. It’s laughable to think in today’s environment they would support something as outrageous as illegal immigration. Dems & the effete RINOS don’t know basic American History.

    Replies: @Nico, @Jake, @Ron Mexico

    And DuBois, Booker T, Fred Douglass, …. All blacks of a reasonable mind understood the damage of a lax immigration system. Coolies would have taken those sharecropping jobs. The dumbass wetbacks don’t realize they will be replaced in the future by denizens of some other shithole

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Ron Mexico

    Hating Chinese people was a big deal in Mexico around the time of the W administration precisely because China was eating Mexico's share of America's lunch. Harper's published an article in which working-class Mexicans illustrated the inhumanity of the Chinese by claiming that, when not silently slaving, Chinese sleep standing up in tight formation like sardines. Apart from the accidental resemblance of this to the extinct Chinese innovation of transporting a dead body long distances by holding between two coordinated men Weekend At Bernie's style I have not seen anything like this claim.

    , @guest
    @Ron Mexico

    All from a time when blacks worked at things other than busting caps in eachother and sitting around government offices.

    Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings

  111. @Bubba
    @Nico

    That is unbelievable - wow! Why pay a small fortune to learn lame PC crap at universities these days? I used to think years ago the PC fad would end, but I was way off. It's ubiquitous now and far beyond parody.

    Replies: @SFG

    The GOP has started to wake up to the role of the universities in turning people liberal and some people are starting to look at ‘ideological diversity’. Not at Harvard but I wouldn’t be surprised if, say North Dakota State starts to turn.

    You won’t get the best, of course, but having enough bright conservative people coming out of state schools might be enough to staff a future right-populist administration. Trump right now is severely lacking in people to fill the Deputy Undersecretary of Interior Affairs positions that actually do a lot of the work.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SFG

    You're right about the dearth of candidates for important roles, but a college which even took a stab at ideological diversity--even in North Dakota--would instantly become the focus of the entire Apparatus and be drummed out of 'polite society' as well as its charter.

    For similar reasons, people lacking real courage (or for whatever other reasons unable to take the risk) won't take career-destroying positions in the Trump Administration.


    If the *Democrats* shut down the government to protect *illegal immigrants*, they are going to become a lot less popular, will lose the ‘good-government’ edge with moderates, and we might retain Congress and possibly even get another 4 years of Trump
     
    Careful about spending too much time in the alt-right echo chamber. It's fun, but it's almost completely disconnected from everyone else. 80 or 90% of Merkins believe whatever their TeeVee tells them--even those who claim they don't.
    , @Desiderius
    @SFG


    You won’t get the best, of course
     
    Cite needed.

    You're right, though, the best won't be wasting their time in college at all.
  112. @Ron Mexico
    @Bubba

    And DuBois, Booker T, Fred Douglass, .... All blacks of a reasonable mind understood the damage of a lax immigration system. Coolies would have taken those sharecropping jobs. The dumbass wetbacks don't realize they will be replaced in the future by denizens of some other shithole

    Replies: @J.Ross, @guest

    Hating Chinese people was a big deal in Mexico around the time of the W administration precisely because China was eating Mexico’s share of America’s lunch. Harper’s published an article in which working-class Mexicans illustrated the inhumanity of the Chinese by claiming that, when not silently slaving, Chinese sleep standing up in tight formation like sardines. Apart from the accidental resemblance of this to the extinct Chinese innovation of transporting a dead body long distances by holding between two coordinated men Weekend At Bernie’s style I have not seen anything like this claim.

  113. @eah
    Kabukispiel der Gutmenschen.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT47XLSVMAASKER.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @SFG

    Honestly, this could be very good news.

    Right now Trump’s treading water and taking fire from the media, and the GOP is looking really bad for trying to throw everyone off healthcare and give a huge tax cut to rich people, and is severely lagging in the polls. (‘Fiscal conservatism’, ie plutocracy and a weak welfare state, is the real reason we can’t get any white immigrants). If the *Democrats* shut down the government to protect *illegal immigrants*, they are going to become a lot less popular, will lose the ‘good-government’ edge with moderates, and we might retain Congress and possibly even get another 4 years of Trump…he seems to be learning on the job.

    • Replies: @eah
    @SFG

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/954460764429053953

    Replies: @Anonymous

  114. @Bill Jones
    @syonredux

    " in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger"

    The Injunction was to welcome the Sojourner,

    I.E Someone who is passing through, not a permanent immigrant.


    As always the lunatic left lies.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    ” in the spirit of the biblical injunction to welcome the stranger”

    Is it possible she is referring to the passage in the Torah book of Leviticus where Moses tells the children of Israel that “the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you”?

  115. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake
    @Anonymous

    I am 100% for secession, by any state, for any reason.

    Let CA leave the Union. That will accomplish two things. First, it will show that the Union is not sacred, that God did not create the Union and demand that no state ever be allowed to leave it. If states are not going to be slaughtered into submission to be forced to remain, then the Federal Government must become reasonable and much less grandiose.

    Second, it will take a very large and powerfully influential Leftist-run state out of the mix of the US. As Hollywood is the great whore of a Leftist image maker, CA leaving the Union could be the great boon we require to get things back to normal.

    And if CA leaves the Union, you know that Portland and Seattle will demand to do the same. Two more kooky Leftist cities that use their wealth to pervert the rest of the country. More than good riddance.

    And then, if we are really lucky, the Libs who control DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, NJ, NYC, and Boston will demand a secession of that northeastern coastal strip.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Definitely: I do agree with you. Any state should be permitted to regain its independence any time it wants, and for whatever reasons its citizens supply. And the same goes for Ireland, Scotland, Catalonia, hmm the former Soviet republics, the Baltics, former Yugoslavia, Singapore, Eritrea, South Sudan and on and on and on.

    Funny thing–the world didn’t explode when those formerly subjugated states regained their freedom, did it? And it won’t. There wasn’t even much blood shed in most of them. As you say, there’s nothing sacred or ordained about the current configuration of political entities. When they outlive their usefulness, we revise them. History has been like this forever.

    The Smaller the Political Unit, the Greater the Freedom.

  116. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Anonymous

    Have you ever been to MS or OK?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Many times in the case of the former; several times in the case of the latter. It was a difficult task to select a couple which were even 1) moderately appropriate 2) not too far from the border and 3) not too likely to infuriate many readers here. I didn’t really expect to succeed with my choices, but please feel free to provide your own!

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Anonymous

    California (and yes I lived in SF for 12 years 1990 to 2002).

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Anonymous

    Also you could elaborate on your definition of crappy in regards to two of the reddest states in the US and for God's sake pick a handle.

  117. @Anonymous
    @Lot


    I like giant equestrian statues of the heroes who defeated barbarian invaders.
     
    Richmond (shh!) still has one like that of Robert E. Lee

    http://usdefensewatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/5641726809_5aa947864c_z.jpg

    Well okay, replace 'defeated' with 'fought'

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I just had a sci-fi fantasy. A glowing force field protecting each and every one of our grand old monuments, for all eternity. I could write a film treatment–do you think Hollywood will finance it? I’m calling up Jodie Foster, Sean Penn, and Susan Sarandon first, since the Weinsteins are down for the count right now. I’m sure they’ll get with the program and connect me with the right producers.

  118. @MikeCLT
    Trump should ask Senator Cotton and Perdue to rename the RAISE Act the Barbara Jordan Immigration Reform Act.

    And watch the lefties’ heads explode.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Not that is clever, sir. Make it happen Mr President!

  119. @Ron Mexico
    @Bubba

    And DuBois, Booker T, Fred Douglass, .... All blacks of a reasonable mind understood the damage of a lax immigration system. Coolies would have taken those sharecropping jobs. The dumbass wetbacks don't realize they will be replaced in the future by denizens of some other shithole

    Replies: @J.Ross, @guest

    All from a time when blacks worked at things other than busting caps in eachother and sitting around government offices.

    • Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings
    @guest

    Ha ha, so true. They were all better off before integration. Their schools were better, their hoods safer, their employment more honest, their scholars more scholarly. They had their 40 acres and mule but gave them up to the KKK parent company.

  120. @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    There hasn't been significant immigration of Japanese people to the US since before the war, so it's amazing how JapAms are so highly represented in these pan-"Asian" organization where they pretend to be indistinguishable from Chinese people.

    Are there any notable Japanese-Americans who aren't total leftist scumbags?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There was S.I. Hayakawa, right?

    Granted, rather than being elected United States Senator, he’d nowadays be run out of California on a rail, but still. Those were smarter days, incredibly enough. They didn’t seem so smart at the time, mainly because few of us could see what was coming.

  121. @Thomas
    It’s not surprising that a black Texas Democrat in the 1990s would have been an immigration skeptic. Whether the same would be true in 2018, when immigration has meant a bolus of African immigrants into Houston (where Jordan’s district was) to represent, and not just illegals from Mexico anymore, I don’t know.

    OT: apparently Chucky Schumer is very upset that his plan to have his sock puppets on both sides of the table in Congressional immigration debates is falling through, and is trying to declare Tom Cotton persona non grata in them. Always a fount of wisdom about what Republicans absolutely must do, that guy.


    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) told President Donald Trump this week that there will be no deal on Dreamers if hard-line conservative GOP Sen. Tom Cotton is involved, according to several congressional sources.

    Schumer also told the president that he was not being well-served by White House staffers during negotiations over the fate of 700,000 young immigrants who face potential deportation if no deal is reached to protect them.
    ...
    Cotton — and his role in the hugely controversial Jan. 11 Oval Office meeting over a potential Senate bipartisan compromise on Dreamers — has become a focus of particular Senate Democrats' ire. There seems to be something about the Arkansas Republican that especially angers them, and they're not shy about letting Trump know.

    In a brief interview, Cotton said Schumer did not want him in the room for the Dreamers' talks, "probably because I would get a good deal, and he wants a bad deal."
    ...
    For a number of Senate Democrats, Cotton — brash, conservative and largely uninterested in compromise — is the personification of what is wrong with the GOP right now.

    Democrats are upset that Cotton and Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.) — but particularly Cotton — backed the president's assertion that he did not use racist language during the Jan. 11 meeting.
    ...
    Democrats were upset that Cotton tried to redirect the controversy toward Durbin. They want to banish Cotton from any discussions about a Dreamers deal, arguing that he is too toxic to be involved.
     

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/schumer-slams-cotton-trump-meeting-346280

    Replies: @Forbes, @Corn, @Anonymous

    Sounds just like Dems and their ‘Social Grievance Whiners’ enablers:

    “We can have a debate–only you’re not allowed to speak.”

  122. @guest
    @Benjaminl

    That's a confusing second sentence. Everyone had their own clubs, including Jews, but for some reason we emphasize the exclusion of Jews. Even though they had their own clubs, from which they excluded whomever they chose. Just like everyone else.

    Sorta like how everyone's racist, but it's only a bad thing amongst whites. Because...you name it.

    Replies: @üeljang, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    Because everyone (or at least a significant number) of those other groups wants to join the whites in the white club, whereas no sane white person wants to join “those other people” in their club.

    You might not be interested in diversity, but diversity is interested in you. That’s really all there is to it.

    • Replies: @guest
    @üeljang

    Basically junior high, then.

    Regular kids outnumber the popular, and could rule over them by sheer weight. But nobody wants to be in a court of losers. They want to hang with the cool kids, even if they resent them. Because that group has all the pretty girls and manly boys.

  123. Realistically, if Jordan were still alive, she probably would have sold out to the Immigration lobby and the rest of the SJW agenda like the rest of the Black Caucus has.

  124. @candid_observer
    @Forbes

    This appears to be well beyond the power of the media to stop.

    The documents will show what they show. Firings and prosecutions will follow if laws are broken.

    I wouldn't be in any way confident that this would happen under Obama -- which is exactly the general problem of lawlessness in the Obama administration, which is of course what lies behind the spying on the Trump campaign.

    I am still astonished that Samantha Power could unmask untold number of American citizens and get away with it. She apparently claimed -- presumably under oath -- that others were responsible for the unmaskings done under her name. I have no clue how this can be a plausible explanation. No doubt a careful investigation of who was signed on where and when would clear this matter up, but I've seen no suggestion that this is being pursued. But if the political momentum on the "Russia" investigation goes in the other direction, as it looks like it will, she might finally be investigated, and, I'd guess, ultimately brought up on charges.

    I expect in any case that in the fullness of time the Trump DOJ will deal as it must with the abuse of our surveillance apparatus for political purposes.

    Really, if that's what's been going on -- and it seems to be the most likely explanation of what we've seen so far -- how is this not indeed worse than Watergate?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    With all due respect, you appear to be living in some kind of alternate dimension in which actual facts matter one whit to the owners of the MSM.

  125. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @WJ
    @Benjaminl

    Such a depressing video.

    I took my wife out to Southern California a few years ago. She wanted to go because I had always raved about it from my military time and work trips, but when we were there all she could comment on was how dirty it was. Even Hollywood and it's legendary aura just had a tawdry,dirty, run-down feel to it.

    She also didn't like the cool coastal climate, which is actually my favorite aspect of coastal California. I still remember being at Camp Pendelton in the summer of 1980 and the midwest was undergoing a ferocious heatwave with 100+ temperatures all summer while in beautiful San Clemente, you needed a light jacket to comfortably walk out on the pier.

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Anonymous

    She also didn’t like the cool coastal climate, which is actually my favorite aspect of coastal California. I still remember being at Camp Pendelton in the summer of 1980 and the midwest was undergoing a ferocious heatwave with 100+ temperatures all summer while in beautiful San Clemente, you needed a light jacket to comfortably walk out on the pier.

    That’s actually the part I’ll hate giving up the most. It’s like heaven on earth, or it would be had our superiors not seen fit to make a hell of it. That, and the mountains, which are still largely unspoiled, at least in the off-season.

    Move the ‘people’ out and California could be Paradise Regained.

  126. @syonredux
    Retcon History Dept,

    New DEATH OF STALIN Trailer Finds Funny In Fascism

    Needless to say, when The Death of Stalin began, I sat on that uncomfortable slab of plastic and metal through the movie's entirety, laughing until my sides hurt. Armando Iannucci has seemingly done the impossible: mined a deadly, fascist dictatorship for an incredible amount of humor. It's also easily the meanest work of his career, which is certainly saying something.
     
    http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/01/19/new-death-of-stalin-trailer-finds-funny-in-fascism

    So, according to the Leftist Lumpengentsia, super-commie Joseph Stalin was a Fascist.....

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yeah, but apparently he was the funny kind of fascist, not the other kind.

    How many deaths was Stalin responsible for again? Side-splitting innit?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Two kulaks walk onto a bar …

  127. @guest
    @Benjaminl

    That's a confusing second sentence. Everyone had their own clubs, including Jews, but for some reason we emphasize the exclusion of Jews. Even though they had their own clubs, from which they excluded whomever they chose. Just like everyone else.

    Sorta like how everyone's racist, but it's only a bad thing amongst whites. Because...you name it.

    Replies: @üeljang, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    It’s clearly that they don’t want what you have–they just want you not to have it.

  128. @John Pepple
    Who was it who said something to the effect that a liberal can become a conservative in just twenty years without changing his mind on a single issue?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Hibernian

    Try 15.

  129. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Bubba

    The GOP has started to wake up to the role of the universities in turning people liberal and some people are starting to look at 'ideological diversity'. Not at Harvard but I wouldn't be surprised if, say North Dakota State starts to turn.

    You won't get the best, of course, but having enough bright conservative people coming out of state schools might be enough to staff a future right-populist administration. Trump right now is severely lacking in people to fill the Deputy Undersecretary of Interior Affairs positions that actually do a lot of the work.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    You’re right about the dearth of candidates for important roles, but a college which even took a stab at ideological diversity–even in North Dakota–would instantly become the focus of the entire Apparatus and be drummed out of ‘polite society’ as well as its charter.

    For similar reasons, people lacking real courage (or for whatever other reasons unable to take the risk) won’t take career-destroying positions in the Trump Administration.

    If the *Democrats* shut down the government to protect *illegal immigrants*, they are going to become a lot less popular, will lose the ‘good-government’ edge with moderates, and we might retain Congress and possibly even get another 4 years of Trump

    Careful about spending too much time in the alt-right echo chamber. It’s fun, but it’s almost completely disconnected from everyone else. 80 or 90% of Merkins believe whatever their TeeVee tells them–even those who claim they don’t.

  130. @ConservaWhig
    Poor Ms. Jordan didn't have the benefit of news stories from Aljazeera about how black Americans are moving back to Africa, because America is too much of a ****hole country:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    At the end of the Rock Hudson mini-series “The Martian Chronicles” (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080242/) he destroys the rocket that can return him to earth after looking at a reflection of his companion and himself and saying like ‘We are martians.’

    These African-Americans need to drop the American label by renouncing their citizenship so they can go full native.

  131. God, if I were in Trump’s place in 2015, I would have been doing this from Day 1. The cool thing about being a billionaire is that you’ve got your own money, so you’re much more free than average campaigners to annoy entrenched interests, and Trump as a personality never failed to get free media coverage.

    That said, let Mr. Hinojosa not think Hispanics are being left out of this. That wouldn’t be Very Nice. So, next up, for the sake of inclusion, Cesar Chavez and his opinions on illegal immigration, and the Reagan governorship in California who tolerated it for business interests. Because we all know it is a safe bet he would have taken the side of plutocrats over laborers. Hinojosa has a Spanish name, and he’s assuring us of that.

  132. @Alden
    @william munny

    She served 6 years in Congress. Had she continued to be anti immigration I’m sure she would have been quietly removed from politics.

    By 1980 both parties were very pro immigration Remember Regean’s amnesty?

    Her anti immigration stance is just a historical foot note, like the founders immigration law that immigrants must be free White and of good character Her immigration statement was meaningless in 1996 and is meaningless today.

    A lot of blacks are anti immigration but they are ordinary people who always vote democrat.

    Replies: @Ivy

    Ronnie’s ’86 amnesty deal seemed too close to his Iran-Contra problems, as if he was encouraged to support the former. Maybe old view, but little is ever what it seems in Washington.

  133. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4631739/bill-clinton-illegal-immigration

    And for context, the main person in her party she was fighting against on economics, President Clinton, was still denouncing and signing executive orders against illegal immigration. For context, this was less than 25 years in the past. It was not all that long ago.

    Scary how many political questions have been warped since the 90s in this country. A good partial list of topics deemed “inappropriate” by our “moderate” bipartisan leaders (in reality, far more extreme and ideological than the masses when you look at their ideological statements at face value), but immigration must take the cake.

    http://zenpundit.com/?p=45677

  134. @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Yeah, but apparently he was the funny kind of fascist, not the other kind.

    How many deaths was Stalin responsible for again? Side-splitting innit?

    Replies: @anon

    Two kulaks walk onto a bar …

  135. @Bill Jones
    @Seth Largo

    Here are some quotes by Gompers:

    ” One thing to be considered in discussing immigration is that the greater the number of immigrants the less American the United States becomes. . . . The American Federation of Labor believes that the foreigners now in this country should be assimilated before others are permitted to come except from such countries as Great Britain, France, Germany and Scandinavia. (SG to William Gerber, May 31, 1923)”

    ” I agree with you, too, that it is hardly fair to have our people crowded out of employment by those who simply come here for the purpose of working at low wages — higher than those they may be accustomed to in their own countries– and then after a while return there.”

    ” The workers of America have felt most keenly the pernicious results of the establishment of foreign standards of work, wages and conduct in American industries and commerce. Foreign standards of wages do not permit American standards of life. Foreign labor has driven American workers out of many trades, callings, and communities, and the influence of those lower standards has permeated widely. . . . The labor movement has urged the adoption of a national policy that would enable us to select as future citizens of our country those who can be assimilated and made truly American. .”

    Replies: @Ivy

    Gompers was onto some key ideas.

    Nowadays, less immigration helps lower black unemployment (less competition to undercut wages and cause neighborhood churn, like in LA),

    leading toward more household formation (jobs and income help on the margin)

    and more stable communities (see above).

    That also helps reduce crime and police budgets (LA would surely benefit, not so sure about how fast in Chicago or Baltimore)

    increases likelihood of school attendance and skill development.

    Seemingly many related bank shots, but not so far-fetched as far as virtuous circles go. It would seem to beat the alternatives we’ve seen for the past decades.

  136. @gunner29
    @Jack Hanson


    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.
     
    For youz not a member of the Gun Culture, an M2 is an aircooled .50 caliber machine gun. It's a 90+ year old design, but nobody has come up with something that much better to justify junking it.

    Arnold signed a law to ban them in Kali; not the M2, that was already banned. He banned single shot and semi-autos that shot .50BMG. (Browning Machine Gun) Can hit somebody or something mile and a half away.

    Also known as the Ma Deuce.

    I hope you're going to let the rest of us to fill in with our rifles between the M2's.

    Actually only the counties from LA up the coast to Marin should leave; that's where 80% of the libtards live. Rest of the state is normal and that's where the Main Line of Resistance should be placed. And there are a few in there that would like to stay with the rest of the state.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    They better get out while they can then. The “lolbertarian Republican from California” who’s issues come down to “don’t tax me or touch my weed” is a trope at this point.

  137. @Seth Largo
    @Benjaminl

    Yep. That's the Angel's Big A in the background and Mt. Baldy way out on the horizon. Driven by there and walked down there many times. The growth of that encampment was slow for years, then bang, from one year to the next, it turned into a sprawling shanty town.

    Replies: @Ivy

    LA has several large encampments ranging from sidewalk tent cities (Obamavilles?) to Hollywood, then along freeway rights of way. Things get more festive in the runoff areas along the concrete LA River channel, which can go from dry to a cold, deep raging torrent quickly during a storm. Embankments aren’t that secure, as many unfortunates find out each winter when their meager possessions are swept away. The weather and the welfare bring people in. Subsidize something and you seem to get more of it.

  138. @SFG
    @Bubba

    The GOP has started to wake up to the role of the universities in turning people liberal and some people are starting to look at 'ideological diversity'. Not at Harvard but I wouldn't be surprised if, say North Dakota State starts to turn.

    You won't get the best, of course, but having enough bright conservative people coming out of state schools might be enough to staff a future right-populist administration. Trump right now is severely lacking in people to fill the Deputy Undersecretary of Interior Affairs positions that actually do a lot of the work.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    You won’t get the best, of course

    Cite needed.

    You’re right, though, the best won’t be wasting their time in college at all.

  139. @guest
    @Benjaminl

    That's a confusing second sentence. Everyone had their own clubs, including Jews, but for some reason we emphasize the exclusion of Jews. Even though they had their own clubs, from which they excluded whomever they chose. Just like everyone else.

    Sorta like how everyone's racist, but it's only a bad thing amongst whites. Because...you name it.

    Replies: @üeljang, @Anonymous, @Desiderius

    we emphasize the exclusion of Jews

    We?

    No, we don’t.

  140. @guest
    @Ron Mexico

    All from a time when blacks worked at things other than busting caps in eachother and sitting around government offices.

    Replies: @It's All Ball Bearings

    Ha ha, so true. They were all better off before integration. Their schools were better, their hoods safer, their employment more honest, their scholars more scholarly. They had their 40 acres and mule but gave them up to the KKK parent company.

  141. @Anonymous
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Many times in the case of the former; several times in the case of the latter. It was a difficult task to select a couple which were even 1) moderately appropriate 2) not too far from the border and 3) not too likely to infuriate many readers here. I didn't really expect to succeed with my choices, but please feel free to provide your own!

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @The preferred nomenclature is...

    California (and yes I lived in SF for 12 years 1990 to 2002).

  142. @Anonymous
    @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Many times in the case of the former; several times in the case of the latter. It was a difficult task to select a couple which were even 1) moderately appropriate 2) not too far from the border and 3) not too likely to infuriate many readers here. I didn't really expect to succeed with my choices, but please feel free to provide your own!

    Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is..., @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Also you could elaborate on your definition of crappy in regards to two of the reddest states in the US and for God’s sake pick a handle.

  143. @üeljang
    @guest

    Because everyone (or at least a significant number) of those other groups wants to join the whites in the white club, whereas no sane white person wants to join "those other people" in their club.

    You might not be interested in diversity, but diversity is interested in you. That's really all there is to it.

    Replies: @guest

    Basically junior high, then.

    Regular kids outnumber the popular, and could rule over them by sheer weight. But nobody wants to be in a court of losers. They want to hang with the cool kids, even if they resent them. Because that group has all the pretty girls and manly boys.

  144. @SFG
    @eah

    Honestly, this could be very good news.

    Right now Trump's treading water and taking fire from the media, and the GOP is looking really bad for trying to throw everyone off healthcare and give a huge tax cut to rich people, and is severely lagging in the polls. ('Fiscal conservatism', ie plutocracy and a weak welfare state, is the real reason we can't get any white immigrants). If the *Democrats* shut down the government to protect *illegal immigrants*, they are going to become a lot less popular, will lose the 'good-government' edge with moderates, and we might retain Congress and possibly even get another 4 years of Trump...he seems to be learning on the job.

    Replies: @eah

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @eah

    God bless Ann Coulter

  145. @eah
    @SFG

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/954460764429053953

    Replies: @Anonymous

    God bless Ann Coulter

  146. @ben tillman
    @John Pepple

    Hint: It's known as "Pepple's Law".

    Replies: @John Pepple

    Ha, thanks, but I can’t claim to have said it first. I saw it somewhere, but I can’t remember who said it.

  147. @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous

    I want them to secede too and I want manned M2s every few hundred yards along the new border mowing down Californian liberals trying to escape the dystopian hellscape they created for themselves.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @gunner29, @EdwardM

    Or re-draw the border wall plan to take a northerly turn just west of Yuma.

    Actually, even better if we let the people in inland California secede from California, as they have just announced their desire to do, and either join their own state as #50 in the new U.S. or join with AZ and/or NV.

    Ditto for eastern OR and WA. The border wall can run north all the way to Canada.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/new-california-wants-to-declare-a-new-state-2018-1

  148. @Anonymous
    The new Civil War could start here and now. Many people want it to, because very few people have ever experienced real war first-hand:

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/01/18/california-ag-we-will-prosecute-employers-who-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-officials/

    I say let them secede. But why didn't they choose a crappy state like Oklahoma or Mississippi? The only thing crappy about California is the 40 million people living there. Despite my despair about losing the states natural beauty, it'll be fun to watch what happens to it.

    Then, if California is permitted to become its own third-world country, perhaps even white people can have a state or two all their own.

    Replies: @neutral, @Diversity Heretic, @WJ, @Jake, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Jack Hanson, @Alden, @27 year old, @anonomy, @MBlanc46

    We are so divided that it hardly seems appropriate to use the pronoun “we”. Disaggregation is the only alternative to violent conflict.

  149. @Diversity Heretic
    @Anonymous

    What I see happening in California is a process of phased secession. I predict other states will copy portions of what California is doing. I'd hate to lose the natural beauty and resources of California, but in light of its present population, it's hard for me to consider part of the United States anyway.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    What some people of California are proposing is a mere pipe dream that may be copied by other Americans of a similar ilk. Otherwise, California is still part of the United States, regardless if you are opposed to its current type of population.

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