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Boring white-bread Iceland is finally being enriched by Diversity. From Iceland Review:

Nine in Custody, Murder Investigation Ongoing
Jelena Ćirić
February 22, 2021

Police are now working to map the movements of nine men that are in custody in connection to a murder committed in Reykjavík earlier this month. …

On February 13, Albanian national and resident of Iceland Armando Beqirai was shot to death outside his home in East Reykjavík. Armando was in his 30s and leaves behind an Icelandic wife and young child, who were in the home when the incident occurred. Eight of the nine individuals in custody in relation to the crime are foreign citizens and one is Icelandic.

The men are all in isolation in Hólmsheiði prison, which has never housed as many prisoners in isolation in its nearly five years of operation.

 
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  1. My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    The Viking Age was over by the Norman conquest of England. After that Scandinavian countries were pretty similar to the rest of Europe in terms of their societal structure (monarchy, Catholic, married with other nobles of Europe).

    Scandinavia has the benefit of having few external and pertinent threats. Denmark was always at risk against the Germans and Finland shared a frontier with Russia, but for the most part Scandis attacked each other. When they cut back on that (Protestant solidarity?) they had little reason to be warlike or aggressive. You can bring up the occupation of Norway and Iceland by the Nazis and British respectively, but those paled in comparison to the existential threats many other nations of Europe constantly faced with powerful neighbors. Iceland especially doesn't have to worry about a barbarian horde so they can peacefully develop and throw off the belligerence and martial prowess more at-risk nations had to always maintain for their safety.

    , @Kyle
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Maybe the Vikings were only brutal towards outgroups. But acted kindly towards their... kind. I’m not a linguist but it seems like etymology of that word is telling. Kind, kindness, kin. Racism is built into the English language, it’s baked into your very psyche. You bigot!

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD
     
    I am not anti-HBD, but the fact that a race of people famous for fighting (even amongst each other, as in the sagas) are now a mere few hundred years later one of the most peaceful seems prima facie like an anti-HBD argument

    Replies: @anon, @John Milton’s Ghost

    , @Paperback Writer
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Icelandics are Scandinavian paternally and Scotland/Ireland maternally. But their peacefulness is environmental. Is it too hard to figure out?

    Replies: @Bill P, @John Milton’s Ghost

    , @Juvenalis
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Vikings were a small group of seafaring explorers, some marauding pirates, who existed for ~150 years in Middle Ages c. 9th-10th centuries AD. Noble Savage-romanticized raiding, raping, pillaging Odin-worshiping pagan Vikings existed even less time. 'Tis an aberration historians still can't explain: why some restless men in south Scandinavia (in 9th century, Finno-Ugric tribes were still the main populations across virtually all Sweden except southern tip) suddenly started setting sail raiding all around; then just as abruptly Viking 'diaspora' quietly settled down in their new homelands. The word only a learned borrowing in 19th century English from Old Norse 'víkingr' as 'Vikings' experienced romanticist historical revival.

    Vikings were traveling seafarers, not sedentary in modern Scandinavian countries: descendants of Vikings can be found all across Europe whither they traveled/settled (sometimes in violent rapey fashion mixing with prior locals). By 11th century Vikings became Latin Christianized Normans who conquered and set up 'civilized' Christian kingdoms in England and Sicily; some Vikings settled Kiev—Kievan Rus—some became Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Romans, formed Varangian Guard at Hellenic Constantinople; some settled as Latin Roman Catholic Christians in Italy/Sicily in aforementioned Norman kingdoms. (Were the Normans still Vikings?)

    Under influence of mother Thjóðhildr, Leif Eriksson was Christian (to chagrin of father Erik the Red); the Norsemen who 'discovered' Vinland (now Newfoundland) had Latin-speaking Roman Catholic clergy on board their ships for Catholic Mass and rites. (Were these seafaring Norsemen still Vikings?)

    This silly widespread myth that Vikings were typical of what all or most people in modern Scandinavian countries were generally like for all or most of their history until now is as fictitious as horns on Viking helmets.

    (Also, Iceland is not technically Scandinavia—'tis an island settled by a variety of peoples in seas far off from the Scandinavian Peninsula. Like Finland, Iceland is more properly termed a Nordic country together with Sweden, Norway, Denmark.)

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @John Milton’s Ghost

    , @nokangaroos
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    - The Norsepersons who followed Ingolfur Anarson to Iceland (still reflected in the hymn) were dissenters who didn´t want to be subsumed when Harald Fairhair unified the realm i.e. they are a kind of Viking Amish - and still the only nation on earth to be democratically Christianized :D
    They gathered on the Thingvellir ("field of assembly", the world´s oldest still operative parliament) and let the missionary talk, then voted: Why the hell not, as long as baptism is only in the hot springs (!). As a side effect the pagan traditions were unbroken.

    - The Swedes got their danglings cut off by Peter the Great at Poltawa 1709, and have not regrown them since.

    Replies: @Oikeamielinen

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    "One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia"

    Stop wondering: the answer is yes. Having spent a few years in Denmark, ancestral home to some of the Viking kingdoms, and now home to the lovely young woman I sired on its soil, I can testify to the fact that 96% of Danish men are quasi-gay. Whilst in residence I was the toughest guy there. And I'm not that tough. But white American men get steamrolled everyday by blacks and dudes in wigs so who are we to brag about our testicles?

    , @jamie b.
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity
     
    I would guess that isolation and harsh conditions could drive barbarians to efficiently domesticate themselves with eg. excessive penal codes.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Corvinus
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    "Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited."

    There was never this paradise to begin with. Our human history is littered with "invading" and "inviting".

    Besides, the last time I checked, Albanians are white. You know, on your side, aka good whites?

    Furthermore, were your ancestors "invited", or did they simply "barge in"? Why should they have been allowed to the U.S. in the first place, and you get all the gimmedats and free stuff as a result of their hard work.

    You have to go back.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Neoconned
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    The old Carmen Sandiego series from the 1990s was a fun goofy PBS show for kids. I cant imagine how Netflix has wokeraped it....

    , @Irish Savant
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Actually the genetic makeup of Icelanders is about 60% Viking, 40% Celtic.

  2. Iceland’s small but fairly agreeable population was also excellent for conducting genetic studies, since they were fairly homogeneous and often compliant with any directions given. Sounds like in both counts that will be difficult in the future.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    '...Iceland’s small but fairly agreeable population was also excellent for conducting genetic studies, since they were fairly homogeneous...'

    There's an understatement. When I passed through there, they all looked vaguely like they were related.

    Given a population of a quarter of million and (I think) no significant inflow or outflow for a thousand years, they probably are.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Wielgus

  3. Welcome to the future, Iceland. Welcome.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Frank McGar

    Iceland's murder rate per 100,000 over the past 25 years

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg/750px-Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg.png


    Seems like an overall decrease, in keeping with most other Western countries for the last 30 years.


    Diversity (and low birthrates) stops crime.

    Replies: @anon, @Gary in Gramercy, @Jacques Strappe, @Frank McGar, @Wilkey

  4. Icelandic dirt lacking in magic. Gosh!

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯

  5. Can I go with the assumption that no mention of the background of the suspects means they are not Icelanders?

    On top of that, do the media outlets that keep using this trick think everyone else is a complete moron and never notices?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @neutral


    On top of that, do the media outlets that keep using this trick think everyone else is a complete moron and never notices
     
    When they say teens, youths or say nothing, it's blacks. Always.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @neutral

    "Eight, including one Icelander, are in custody in connection with a police investigation into the murder in Rauðagerði last weekend. The eighth was sentenced to custody today, but he is one of two people who were arrested in police operations yesterday. The custody of Lithuania, who was arrested shortly after the murder, expires today. Police will request continued custody of him. The men are in their forties and fifties and are from Spain, Albania and Lithuania, among others. Some have just arrived in the country but others have lived here for a long time. "

    (translated)

    https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/02/19/atta-i-gaesluvardhaldi-vegna-mordsins-i-raudagerdi

    Apparently some of the investigations are in Selfoss, a town in the south some forty miles from the capital.



    I remember when the gangsters in London were all either Brits, Maltese or Jamaican.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/a-new-brand-of-fear-7221056.html


    The growth of the Albanian criminal fraternity has been causing unease among police forces since around 1995 when, along with genuine asylum seekers from Kosovo, some young men entered the country with their sights on the rich pickings of the capital's drugs and vice scenes. Since then, they have taken more than 80 per cent of London's sex industry - and experts estimate that about 75 per cent of all heroin sold in the UK will pass through Albanian hands at some point on its journey to the junkie on the street.

    Albanians had control of 70 per cent of the drug trade in Germany and Switzerland by 1995. In criminal terms, it was a meteoric rise.

    By this time, an influx of Kosovar Albanians had already arrived in the UK. Within this mostly lawabiding grouping were sharp and ruthless men, the vanguard of a criminal invasion that was to take London by storm.

    According to a report by the National Criminal Intelligence Service, Albanians have staged a bloodless coup in Soho in the past 18 months - buying out the owners of strip joints, sex shops and brothels. A Standard investigation in July showed that girls from eastern Europe were being tricked or kidnapped and smuggled into Britain, where they were forced to work as prostitutes after being sold and resold to Albanian pimps for about £5,000.

     

    Good old Tony Blair and NATO, something else we can thank them for. The bomb-enforced removal of Kosovo from Serbia was a crime for which we (but alas not Blair or his allies) are still paying the price.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @JMcG

  6. Can we assume the Icelandic wife is the reason Armando was allowed entry into Iceland? How many Albanians have they let into the country and are they getting even more vibrant than that in the immigration policy?

  7. …was shot to death outside his home in East Reykjavík.

    Does not compute. When did you figure you’d ever read a sentence fragment like this?

    Eight of the nine individuals in custody in relation to the crime are foreign citizens and one is Icelandic.

    It’s not the NY Times, or I’d wonder, but this writer probably means that other suspect is actually an Icelandic person by ethnicity. I wonder whether this murder was personal. Why you need to hire 8 Albanians is another question. Since the guy who was shot wasn’t a citizen of Iceland either, but just a “resident”, I guess that the “past to citizenship” over there is a bit slippery, on the ice and all..

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It seems as if all the references are to citizenship, not ethnicity. So the "Icelandic wife" (the victim's wife) and the 9th criminal may both be ethnically non-Icelandic, but have been naturalized.

    Iceland doesn't appear to be in the worst situation, as immigrants go. The list of foreign-born residents is mostly of people from solidly European countries. The three largest groups are Poles (19,210), Danes (3,891) and Lithuanians (2,906). Americans are the fourth largest group of foreigners (2,386).

    The list of major religions doesn't even mention Islam. Of countries that have sent more than 300 immigrants, all are either European or Asian. Of Iceland's 61,400 immigrants, 47,000 (~77%) are from Europe, the USA, or Canada and 5,400 (9%) are from Asia. Another 9,200 are from countries that have sent less than 300 immigrants. Perhaps a lot of those are black or Muslim, perhaps not.

    , @George
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Using Google translate: Beqiri was from Albania but had lived in Iceland for years. He worked for the company Top Guard in doorkeeping and security.

    https://stundin.is/grein/12946/

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Why you need to hire 8 Albanians is another question.
     
    According to a Near Eastern adage, it takes two Albanians to swindle a Turk, and sixteen Albanians to swindle an Armenian.
  8. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @TelfoedJohn

    Albanian thots (via Blighty) seem to be taking over pop music lately. It's like they struck the mother lode of kardashium just outside Tirana

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @obwandiyag
    @TelfoedJohn

    But Albanians are good now that they're not Communist. Didn't you know that?

  9. Who in their right mind would invite Albanians to come?

    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation’s people and culture and love “diversity” to go live in … and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer–a noisy cancer–upon the West.

    Maybe we could buy someplace in Siberia from Putin? Or maybe we just designate Iceland and let the Icelanders settle wherever else they like. (Sacrifice one nation to save the rest.)

    Something.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Spangel12
    @AnotherDad

    I quite agree. Let the open borders people have their own country. Let anyone go there. And then let the others do what they will. Israel can have religious preference. Singapore and select immigrants based on needed skill sets. Lithuania can refuse to allow any immigrants.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Hannah Katz
    @AnotherDad

    Antarctica might be a good place for them. Not all that different from Iceland, and there are no indigenous people to feel guilty about dispossessing.

    Replies: @Franz

    , @Polistra
    @AnotherDad

    'Wall Street Moves to Florida' in the WSJ. Billionaires decamping from Manhattan, trying to sell their mega-buck apartments. Fun reading for those so inclined. About 40 names in the article and we got nearly 25 in before, alas, a goy showed up and ruined the fun.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/wall-street-moves-to-florida-nyc-real-estate-11614020268

    Final sentence in the article:

    “When the curtain rises on that next act, we have to make sure New York City is more dynamic, more vibrant and more livable than it was before.”

    Oh well. One out of three ain't bad, right?

    , @S
    @AnotherDad


    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation’s people and culture and love “diversity” to go live in … and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer–a noisy cancer–upon the West.
     
    Yes, I've thought something similar for a long time.

    There's clearly a divide. Amongst every race, ethnicity, culture, etc, there are those who care about preserving the group, probably historically a healthy majority, and a likely minirity of those who simply don't care, lack the discipline, are irresponsible, etc., and are immune to being shamed. With the latter, it's always the same mantra, ''Where all the same' they say and it's 'love'.

    The world's a big place though. Long ago the people's of the world should of designated a place with ample resources and territory for folks like these (ie those who don't care about these things) and amply document the facts about plentiful resources.

    Documenting this would not be for their sakes, as these people strike me as often being delusional, and they will probably be screaming that 'you're trying to kill us all,' from start to finish. [No, it's simply having them live what they were attempting to force upon everyone else by default, ie 'walk the talk', without parasiting on others.] Documenting it would be for the responsible folks sakes, in case hundreds of years from now they might get worn down and start to half believe these people's delusions about 'killing us all'.

    They could call this specially designated place 'New Pangea'.

    If everyone's the same (ie 'equal') as they say, then there should be no problem. They'd have to raise their own kids there and not dump them on the grandparents.

    However, the results of wanton mixing are known. These places are in Brazil and are called 'favelas'.

    As things have stood it's not been fair to the responsible people (as stated, probably the majority) who do care about preserving the various races and ethnicities.
    , @Mr. Peabody
    @AnotherDad

    Perhaps that was Trump's plan with Greenland.

    , @Whiskey
    @AnotherDad

    The word you are looking for is women. Women can't get enough of violence, brutality, and more violence in men. Its why they reliably seek out the most brutal and violent. That this dude had an Icelandic Wife is no surprise.

    Compare say, Kevin Federline, with what, 12 kids now, to Bill Gates. With I think two. Money does not count as much as charisma and dominance and general thuggishness. This is why EVERY nation that has something is getting over-run with violent, dominant men.

    Think all those German men thought, wow look at all the violent jihadis fleeing the fall of the ISIS state in Syria. Lets have them here! Nope it was the women from Mutti Merkel on down. China has a colony of over 50,000 Africans in Southern China, who by rioting and violence FORCED the Chinese government to apologize and compensate them for being refused entry into shops and restaurants in Southern China during the height of Covid. Japan and South Korea have the same. In all cases its their women, who finding foreign men more violent and sexy, pulled strings to let them in.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  10. Well no surprises… Albanian gangs are very common in many European countries and then there’s Kosovo…

    I always found it tragically funny that the one new “independent country” that the Powers That Be managed to create was Kosovo… I mean, Catalonia, Euskadi, Quebec, even the Kurds had better claims. But nooo, let’s create a Muslim narco-state in the middle of Europe.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Dumbo

    But it's better than Communism. Didn't you know that?

    , @nokangaroos
    @Dumbo

    Albanian mercenaries ("Arnauts") were the scourge of the Ottoman empire;
    not so different from their neighbours (but don´t tell either! :P ).

  11. As our gracious host has taught us, the global Ruling Class is committed to “inviting the world”, so we dirt people will have to roll with it. They are after all our Rulers.

    Old World Europeans are being invaded by Arabs and Africans. Muslims are triumphalist and committed to religious and societal domination. Africans are, well, Africans. Europeans in the Old World will only survive in Central and Eastern Europe. Western Europe is done.

    Europeans in the diaspora (i.e. outside the Old World) have a big advantage over the relict in the Old World. We only have to deal with Christianized Latins and New World aborigines. Since I have to be invaded, I’d take our invaders over theirs.

  12. Iceland has a population of less than 500,000 people. That’s literally fewer people than many moderate-sized cities in the U.S.

    A 9-person gang in a moderately-sized city can be a major source of crime if not caught. In housing projects in the U.S.., a 9 or 10 person gang can basically run the entire operation as their own personal fiefdom.

    And if a gang is in anyway organized, it can cause huge problems in the small population beyond merely low-level drug dealing and shakedowns.

    Albanians have a reputation of having organized crime. Sicilians and other Italians get all the headlines here, but Albanians are no slouches. It’s just we had more Italians immigrate here than Albanians.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @R.G. Camara

    I just read Peter Kemp’s No Colours or Crest. He was an S.O.E. Officer who spent much of World War 2 attempting to organize resistance in Albania. Two things struck me about his story:
    1. S.O.E. seems to have been a colossal waste of time and talent in general.
    2. Albania was an awful place 80 years ago. Full to the brim with horrible people.

    Replies: @Jim B'Oh

    , @Dumbo
    @R.G. Camara


    It’s just we had more Italians immigrate here than Albanians.
     
    Biden will soon take care of this. "Albanian deficit" is a serious problem!
  13. @Frank McGar
    Welcome to the future, Iceland. Welcome.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Iceland’s murder rate per 100,000 over the past 25 years

    Seems like an overall decrease, in keeping with most other Western countries for the last 30 years.

    Diversity (and low birthrates) stops crime.

    • Replies: @anon
    @JohnPlywood

    •Dolt

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @JohnPlywood

    More like "diversity stops crime...from being reported accurately."

    Does the U.K.'s Yorkshire city of Rotherham ring a bell?

    , @Jacques Strappe
    @JohnPlywood

    This largely depends on the previous makeup of the area and who is diversifying an area.

    Hispanics moving into majority black areas of southern California has made them safer.

    This is a case of diversity lowering crime rates.

    However, the Hispanic population exploded and southern California is hemorrhaging blacks.

    It is becoming less diverse now and yet, crime rates, especially violent crime rates, have dropped greatly since the 80s.

    , @Frank McGar
    @JohnPlywood

    What was the crime rate before 1995, when they started letting refugees into the country?

    , @Wilkey
    @JohnPlywood

    Iceland's homicide rate is less than 1 per 100,000. The USA's homicide rate is over 5 per 100,000, which is higher than not only Iceland but also most countries in Europe, save perhaps for a few really shitty ones (say hi to Albania).

    The USA is also more diverse than every country in Europe, by far.

    Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are extremely homogeneous and have extremely low homicide rates. Central America is pretty homogeneous and has an extremely high homicide rate. Ditto for much of Africa.

    Diversity is really just a nonsense word. What we are talking about is different groups of people with different propensities to commit crime. It's like saying I'm making spaghetti with "diverse ingredients." By diverse ingredients do I mean basil, or Drano? It kind of matters.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  14. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    Like the rest of the West, Iceland must be repopulated because they are bad and almost Nazis! And they want to ban circumcision!

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Fundamentally-Freund-Icelands-declaration-of-war-on-Judaism-543521

    Jerusalem Post

    Iceland’s declaration of war on Judaism
    Iceland’s authorities might as well hang a large sign in the arrivals terminal at Reykjavik airport saying, “No Jews or Muslims allowed.”

    By Michael Freund
    February 24, 2018

    …In 1853, Iceland’s parliament turned down a request by the king of Denmark to allow Jews to reside in the country. While this was reversed two years later, that was only because Iceland wanted to entice Jewish merchants to immigrate in order to boost the economy.

    Nearly a century later, in 1938, when Austrian Jews were trying to flee in the wake of the rise of Nazism, Iceland refused to allow them entry, callously leaving them to their fate.

    And as Dr. Vilhalmur Vilhalmsson noted in a comprehensive 2004 paper entitled, “Iceland, the Jews and anti-Semitism” published in Jewish Political Studies Review, “With regard to the Holocaust, Iceland is not a blank page.” There were Icelanders in the Waffen SS who fought for Germany, while others served in concentration camps; the son of Iceland’s first president was a member of the SS who escaped prosecution after the war. In his paper, Vilhalmsson also discloses that in the late 1930s, Icelandic officials went so far as to offer to pay the cost for the expulsion of Jews from its territory to Germany.

    This shit’s been going on since you know when.

    The Spanish Inquisition (William Thomas Walsh, Isabella of Spain, Sheed and Ward, 1935, pp. 258-249)

    In medieval Spain the Jews came nearer to building a New Jerusalem than at any time or place since their dispersion after the Crucifixion. Had they succeeded—and several times they came perilously near success—they might conceivably have managed, with Mohammedan aid, to destroy the Christian civilization of Europe…

    They were not at first persecuted by the Christians; but, after the discovery that they were plotting to bring the Arabs from Africa for the overthrow of the Gothic kingdom…

    That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain. In the invading army there were many African Jews. Everywhere the Spanish Jews opened the gates of cities to the conquerors, and the Moslems rewarded them by turning over to them the government of Granada, Seville and Cordoba. “Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,” says Amador de los Rios “they aspired only to’ feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancour, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.”

    • Thanks: GeneralRipper
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    Literally cries out as he strikes you.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    Iceland was a Danish protectorate at the time. Were they doing this because they liked the Germans, or because they resented the Danes?

  15. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    The Viking Age was over by the Norman conquest of England. After that Scandinavian countries were pretty similar to the rest of Europe in terms of their societal structure (monarchy, Catholic, married with other nobles of Europe).

    Scandinavia has the benefit of having few external and pertinent threats. Denmark was always at risk against the Germans and Finland shared a frontier with Russia, but for the most part Scandis attacked each other. When they cut back on that (Protestant solidarity?) they had little reason to be warlike or aggressive. You can bring up the occupation of Norway and Iceland by the Nazis and British respectively, but those paled in comparison to the existential threats many other nations of Europe constantly faced with powerful neighbors. Iceland especially doesn’t have to worry about a barbarian horde so they can peacefully develop and throw off the belligerence and martial prowess more at-risk nations had to always maintain for their safety.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  16. @TelfoedJohn
    Albanians have a mysterious phenotype:
    https://thetab.com/uk/2020/08/11/rita-ora-isnt-black-shes-a-blackfish-and-here-are-the-receipts-170436

    Replies: @Anonymous, @obwandiyag

    Albanian thots (via Blighty) seem to be taking over pop music lately. It’s like they struck the mother lode of kardashium just outside Tirana

    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous


    Albanian thots (via Blighty) seem to be taking over pop music lately.
     
    Two that come to mind are Bebe Rexha and Dua Lipa.
  17. Do Icelanders ever kill each other? The biggest case in recent times was the murder of Birna Brjánsdóttir four years ago. The killers were Greenlanders, and were obviously not of Nordic stock.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Rob McX

    Their names Thomas Møller Olsen and Nikolaj Olsen are Nordic. I don't think you know what Nordic people are.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Felix Krull

    , @Mike Zwick
    @Rob McX

    Maybe they were just confused by the fact that Greenland is all ice, and Iceland is all green?

  18. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    Maybe the Vikings were only brutal towards outgroups. But acted kindly towards their… kind. I’m not a linguist but it seems like etymology of that word is telling. Kind, kindness, kin. Racism is built into the English language, it’s baked into your very psyche. You bigot!

  19. @AnotherDad
    Who in their right mind would invite Albanians to come?


    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation's people and culture and love "diversity" to go live in ... and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer--a noisy cancer--upon the West.

    Maybe we could buy someplace in Siberia from Putin? Or maybe we just designate Iceland and let the Icelanders settle wherever else they like. (Sacrifice one nation to save the rest.)

    Something.

    Replies: @Spangel12, @Hannah Katz, @Polistra, @S, @Mr. Peabody, @Whiskey

    I quite agree. Let the open borders people have their own country. Let anyone go there. And then let the others do what they will. Israel can have religious preference. Singapore and select immigrants based on needed skill sets. Lithuania can refuse to allow any immigrants.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Spangel12


    Let the open borders people have their own country.
     
    Yes, if only. They want what they want, so very badly, but it's us they want it for. They'll be safe in their various hideaways and besides, who can conceive of a billion anyway? (Matt Y, that's who.)


    https://i.ibb.co/4t90FTL/migrants-spain-ap.jpg

    These "Europe-Bound Migrants" were found in the trash in "Melilla Spain" (actually one of their foolish enclaves in Morocco) yesterday and actually the 'migrants' were attempting to spirit themselves across the border because apparently once you're in Melilla you're in the EU and all's fair.

    Anyway, how inhumane can you be not to realize that these poor desperate people need some of our stuff? We have more than enough to share, and they're superior to us anyway--ask Biden, or Mr. Plywood right here in this thread.

    Billions, you were saying? Billions? Someone else can worry about those. That'll be some other place, at some future date, perhaps. But most likely it's just white-supremacist propaganda. The important thing is that we help those in need, and feel good about ourselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBENMSHr_s

    Replies: @Pericles, @Spangel12

  20. @John Milton’s Ghost
    Iceland’s small but fairly agreeable population was also excellent for conducting genetic studies, since they were fairly homogeneous and often compliant with any directions given. Sounds like in both counts that will be difficult in the future.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…Iceland’s small but fairly agreeable population was also excellent for conducting genetic studies, since they were fairly homogeneous…’

    There’s an understatement. When I passed through there, they all looked vaguely like they were related.

    Given a population of a quarter of million and (I think) no significant inflow or outflow for a thousand years, they probably are.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Colin Wright


    When I passed through there, they all looked vaguely like they were related.
     
    Oddly, right before I came here I was looking at old YouTube videos of the Icelandic singer Bjork and at one point wondered to myself if all the women there looked kind of like that. She was kind of cute in her early days but more in a elfin way than having that sex symbol look.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Wielgus
    @Colin Wright

    I believe the Black Death did not make its way to Iceland until 1410, over 60 years after it devastated continental Europe. Given the time lapse it may not even have been the same strain but it does emphasise the relative isolation of Iceland.

  21. Albanians are whiter than Italians (especially southern ones), Greeks, Spaniards, or Portuguese. Genetically, I mean.
    Still, no reason to invite them to any country, even if many are perfectly fine fruit sellers, laborers, or ice cream shop owners…

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    @Anon

    A northern Italian woman told me that when southern Italian men come north to work in the factories they can’t get married. No northern woman will marry them. They have to marry Albanian woman.

    Replies: @T.Chris

    , @T.Chris
    @Anon


    Albanians are whiter than Italians (especially southern ones), Greeks, Spaniards, or Portuguese. Genetically, I mean.
     
    You obviously don't know anything about genetics......

    https://racialreality.blogspot.com/2019/12/whos-really-more-european.html

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DmWX6MRX-ug/Xee5p_sNPqI/AAAAAAAABKg/bJ5xZ5vXLAQzfXujk0prNZM0Tpo3SUPegCPcBGAYYCw/s1600/Reich2018_Fig12-24.png
  22. Just today The Iceland Monitor reported the opening of a new consulting office for immigrants. Services are available in many languages, Arabic included. As the old saying from The Little Rascals goes, ‘I don’t know where I’m going, but I’m on my way.” The Monitor, in English:

    https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/politics_and_society/2021/02/22/new_consulting_office_for_immigrants_in_iceland/

  23. ♫Albania, Albania, you border on the Adriatic♫
    ♫Your land is mostly mountainous and your chief export is chrome♫

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
    @ScarletNumber

    Chrome and beautiful women. Of course, we cannot pronounce their names. This one is Dajana Kllogjri.

    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/8774370/740full-dajana-kllogjri.jpg

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Muggles, @Irish Savant, @Irish Savant

  24. @neutral
    Can I go with the assumption that no mention of the background of the suspects means they are not Icelanders?

    On top of that, do the media outlets that keep using this trick think everyone else is a complete moron and never notices?

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @YetAnotherAnon

    On top of that, do the media outlets that keep using this trick think everyone else is a complete moron and never notices

    When they say teens, youths or say nothing, it’s blacks. Always.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jim Christian

    And when they say “yoots” they are Italian kids.

  25. George Lincoln Rockwell’s ex-wife was from Iceland and died there last year at the age of 90. Presumably his four children, who went to Iceland with their mother after her divorce from Rockwell, are still there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margr%C3%A9t_%C3%9E%C3%B3ra_Hallgr%C3%ADmsson

    • Replies: @GeorgeGot
    @Dr. X

    One of George Lincoln Rockwell's daughters, married an Asian (Japanese) guy and has 2 half-Asian children. Both of his grandchildren were pretty successful with one being a professional football / soccer player and the other being a TV newscaster.

    https://twitter.com/h_d_magazine/status/1302981456143278081

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhUeCNiWkAE0n1U?format=jpg&name=900x900
    From left to right : Rockwell's half-Asian Grandson, Daughter, Ex-Wife's 2nd husband, Ex-Wife

    Björgólfur Hideaki Takefusa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfur_Hideaki_Takefusa

  26. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD

    I am not anti-HBD, but the fact that a race of people famous for fighting (even amongst each other, as in the sagas) are now a mere few hundred years later one of the most peaceful seems prima facie like an anti-HBD argument

    • Agree: Hugo Silva
    • Replies: @anon
    @Kent Nationalist

    People underestimate how quickly genetics can be selected for and/or evolve / mutate.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Kent Nationalist

    I should have said pro HBD particularly to the argument that populations can select very rapidly, with a few generations making a big difference. But yes I can also see skepticism with such evidence too.

  27. ♫Albania, Albania, you border on the Adriatic♫
    ♫Your land is mostly mountainous and your chief export is chrome♫

    I remember that ditty from Cheers. That was back in the good old days, before its chief export was criminals.

  28. @ScarletNumber
    ♫Albania, Albania, you border on the Adriatic♫
    ♫Your land is mostly mountainous and your chief export is chrome♫

    Replies: @Wade Hampton

    Chrome and beautiful women. Of course, we cannot pronounce their names. This one is Dajana Kllogjri.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Wade Hampton

    Looks like a pugnacious runt to me. One that has been haphazardly assembled out of poorly fitting components.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @throtler

    , @Muggles
    @Wade Hampton

    British pop sing Dua Lipa is Albanian by parentage.

    She recently announced she is pregnant. "Dua" means "love" in Albanian.

    See what you can learn here? She's also the # 1 pop singer in the world at the moment.

    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of. They are notoriously clannish and infamous for the vendettas. Of course if you lived in their neighborhood you'd be pretty crazy yourself.

    London is probably much safer. Though in the early 90s some of the more risky investment advisors were recommending Albania for it's (now) cheap beach front real estate. Seems like Communism wasn't good for the condo market. Word has it there are still plenty of concrete pillboxes available, never used.

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Reg Cæsar, @Rouetheday

    , @Irish Savant
    @Wade Hampton

    Actually the genetic makeup of Icelanders is about 60% Viking, 40% Celtic.

    , @Irish Savant
    @Wade Hampton

    I've been to Albania and trust me, there might be two or three women in the whole country who look like her. Like claiming Halle Berry to be representative of black women.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  29. @Rob McX
    Do Icelanders ever kill each other? The biggest case in recent times was the murder of Birna Brjánsdóttir four years ago. The killers were Greenlanders, and were obviously not of Nordic stock.


    https://www.visir.is/i/703C5F0BC56A6599F5212D8D8D44B0901BCE68F362802447C4A61628CF596077_713x0.jpg

    https://m2.mbl.is/Ca6kGquj3h64JfyLfUlkJLzUfK4=/758x505/smart/frimg/9/87/987658.jpg

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Mike Zwick

    Their names Thomas Møller Olsen and Nikolaj Olsen are Nordic. I don’t think you know what Nordic people are.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @JohnPlywood

    Mixed race?

    , @Paperback Writer
    @JohnPlywood

    Nordic people don't look like that. Greenland is 90% Inuit, including mixed race. My guess is they're mixed.

    , @Felix Krull
    @JohnPlywood

    It's you that don't know what Nordic people are. Those Greenlanders - Inuit, as they call themselves - would probably spit in your face for suggesting they were a Nordic people. A Jamaican guy doesn't become English just because his name is Winston or George.

    And as some dude says upthread, they're evidently mixed-breed, which makes them doubly race conscious, sort of like mulattos in the US and Britain.

  30. Imagine living in a society so functional that your most troublesome minorities are Albanians….

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Albanian immigrants are supposed to be a lot of trouble in Western Europe. They have a reputation for pimping, fencing, narcotics, gangsterism, etc.

    Does anyone know how much Albanians adhere to Islam? In the past, they were quite secular (mostly due to the Soviet influence), but I know there's been a worldwide revival in Islamic fervency in recent years.

    , @Anonymous
    @Gunnar von Cowtown


    Imagine living in a society so functional that your most troublesome minorities are Albanians….
     
    Lol, good point. Albanians definitely punch above their weight. Great comedians/actors, astronauts, NHLers,...



    http://bingemedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/belushis.jpg

    https://kronozio.blob.core.windows.net/images/card/e33825275a884417928f44e3fc43f61e_front.jpg

    https://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2013/06/25/10868224/gI_75429_NASA-Borneo-Bill-Gregory-Joins-APS.jpg

     

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Albanians have a reputation of being in organized crime, as much as many Italians are.

    Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown

  31. @Achmed E. Newman

    ...was shot to death outside his home in East Reykjavík.
     
    Does not compute. When did you figure you'd ever read a sentence fragment like this?

    Eight of the nine individuals in custody in relation to the crime are foreign citizens and one is Icelandic.
     
    It's not the NY Times, or I'd wonder, but this writer probably means that other suspect is actually an Icelandic person by ethnicity. I wonder whether this murder was personal. Why you need to hire 8 Albanians is another question. Since the guy who was shot wasn't a citizen of Iceland either, but just a "resident", I guess that the "past to citizenship" over there is a bit slippery, on the ice and all..

    Replies: @Wilkey, @George, @Reg Cæsar

    It seems as if all the references are to citizenship, not ethnicity. So the “Icelandic wife” (the victim’s wife) and the 9th criminal may both be ethnically non-Icelandic, but have been naturalized.

    Iceland doesn’t appear to be in the worst situation, as immigrants go. The list of foreign-born residents is mostly of people from solidly European countries. The three largest groups are Poles (19,210), Danes (3,891) and Lithuanians (2,906). Americans are the fourth largest group of foreigners (2,386).

    The list of major religions doesn’t even mention Islam. Of countries that have sent more than 300 immigrants, all are either European or Asian. Of Iceland’s 61,400 immigrants, 47,000 (~77%) are from Europe, the USA, or Canada and 5,400 (9%) are from Asia. Another 9,200 are from countries that have sent less than 300 immigrants. Perhaps a lot of those are black or Muslim, perhaps not.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  32. @neutral
    Can I go with the assumption that no mention of the background of the suspects means they are not Icelanders?

    On top of that, do the media outlets that keep using this trick think everyone else is a complete moron and never notices?

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Eight, including one Icelander, are in custody in connection with a police investigation into the murder in Rauðagerði last weekend. The eighth was sentenced to custody today, but he is one of two people who were arrested in police operations yesterday. The custody of Lithuania, who was arrested shortly after the murder, expires today. Police will request continued custody of him. The men are in their forties and fifties and are from Spain, Albania and Lithuania, among others. Some have just arrived in the country but others have lived here for a long time. “

    (translated)

    https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/02/19/atta-i-gaesluvardhaldi-vegna-mordsins-i-raudagerdi

    Apparently some of the investigations are in Selfoss, a town in the south some forty miles from the capital.

    I remember when the gangsters in London were all either Brits, Maltese or Jamaican.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/a-new-brand-of-fear-7221056.html

    The growth of the Albanian criminal fraternity has been causing unease among police forces since around 1995 when, along with genuine asylum seekers from Kosovo, some young men entered the country with their sights on the rich pickings of the capital’s drugs and vice scenes. Since then, they have taken more than 80 per cent of London’s sex industry – and experts estimate that about 75 per cent of all heroin sold in the UK will pass through Albanian hands at some point on its journey to the junkie on the street.

    Albanians had control of 70 per cent of the drug trade in Germany and Switzerland by 1995. In criminal terms, it was a meteoric rise.

    By this time, an influx of Kosovar Albanians had already arrived in the UK. Within this mostly lawabiding grouping were sharp and ruthless men, the vanguard of a criminal invasion that was to take London by storm.

    According to a report by the National Criminal Intelligence Service, Albanians have staged a bloodless coup in Soho in the past 18 months – buying out the owners of strip joints, sex shops and brothels. A Standard investigation in July showed that girls from eastern Europe were being tricked or kidnapped and smuggled into Britain, where they were forced to work as prostitutes after being sold and resold to Albanian pimps for about £5,000.

    Good old Tony Blair and NATO, something else we can thank them for. The bomb-enforced removal of Kosovo from Serbia was a crime for which we (but alas not Blair or his allies) are still paying the price.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @YetAnotherAnon


    I remember when the gangsters in London were all either Brits, Maltese or Jamaican.
     
    Ethnic Brits always seem to have been a minority among the country's gangsters. Nowadays, it's a haven for criminals from every corner of the planet. But even before nonwhite immigration started in earnest, most of the big time gangsters seem to have been of Italian, Maltese, Jewish or Irish origin.
    , @JMcG
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Albanians are getting a lock on the restaurant trade in Sea Isle City, N.J. of all places. An acquaintance had a pizza shop there and the Albanians ran him out of business. Told him to his face that they would do it too.

  33. • Replies: @HammerJack
    @JohnnyWalker123

    They've doubled their immigrant cohort in less than a decade. Good thing they're learning from others' mistakes.

    Also, too many Filipinos. At least the Thai can make delicious restaurant meals.

    Replies: @Ganderson

  34. @AnotherDad
    Who in their right mind would invite Albanians to come?


    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation's people and culture and love "diversity" to go live in ... and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer--a noisy cancer--upon the West.

    Maybe we could buy someplace in Siberia from Putin? Or maybe we just designate Iceland and let the Icelanders settle wherever else they like. (Sacrifice one nation to save the rest.)

    Something.

    Replies: @Spangel12, @Hannah Katz, @Polistra, @S, @Mr. Peabody, @Whiskey

    Antarctica might be a good place for them. Not all that different from Iceland, and there are no indigenous people to feel guilty about dispossessing.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @Hannah Katz


    Antarctica might be a good place for them.
     
    No. No.

    Cruelty to penguins. Do what you want to humans, but penguins deserve better.
  35. White attorneys in the Orleans Parish, Louisiana (aka New Orleans) DA’s office successfully sued under discrimination law when the inept Eddie Jordan was elected DA and fired a whole damn lot of them.

    https://www.law360.com/articles/32706/new-orleans-d-a-loses-racial-bias-appeal

  36. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    Imagine living in a society so functional that your most troublesome minorities are Albanians....

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @R.G. Camara

    Albanian immigrants are supposed to be a lot of trouble in Western Europe. They have a reputation for pimping, fencing, narcotics, gangsterism, etc.

    Does anyone know how much Albanians adhere to Islam? In the past, they were quite secular (mostly due to the Soviet influence), but I know there’s been a worldwide revival in Islamic fervency in recent years.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
  37. @Achmed E. Newman

    ...was shot to death outside his home in East Reykjavík.
     
    Does not compute. When did you figure you'd ever read a sentence fragment like this?

    Eight of the nine individuals in custody in relation to the crime are foreign citizens and one is Icelandic.
     
    It's not the NY Times, or I'd wonder, but this writer probably means that other suspect is actually an Icelandic person by ethnicity. I wonder whether this murder was personal. Why you need to hire 8 Albanians is another question. Since the guy who was shot wasn't a citizen of Iceland either, but just a "resident", I guess that the "past to citizenship" over there is a bit slippery, on the ice and all..

    Replies: @Wilkey, @George, @Reg Cæsar

    Using Google translate: Beqiri was from Albania but had lived in Iceland for years. He worked for the company Top Guard in doorkeeping and security.

    https://stundin.is/grein/12946/

  38. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    Icelandics are Scandinavian paternally and Scotland/Ireland maternally. But their peacefulness is environmental. Is it too hard to figure out?

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Paperback Writer

    They are actually about 25% Scottish/Irish paternally (50% maternally). Quite a few founding males were from the British Isles.

    I think that's because it was common among Norse and Celtic chieftains to exchange young males from noble families as hostages to secure peace and forge alliances. The Celts in Iceland were not all slaves. Gaelic given names were fairly common amongst the literate class, probably because Irish were more literate than the Norse when Iceland was settled, and there were already Irish monks living there when the vikings found the place.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Philip Neal, @Tony

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Paperback Writer

    I realize that people on this blog tend to be vilified for being curious and interested in forbidden topics, so some are defensive and quick to lash out. But I don’t know why your response merited the snark. If I wanted to write a book to fully explain what I do know and argue it wouldn’t be on a comments page.

  39. @JohnPlywood
    @Rob McX

    Their names Thomas Møller Olsen and Nikolaj Olsen are Nordic. I don't think you know what Nordic people are.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Felix Krull

    Mixed race?

  40. @Rob McX
    Do Icelanders ever kill each other? The biggest case in recent times was the murder of Birna Brjánsdóttir four years ago. The killers were Greenlanders, and were obviously not of Nordic stock.


    https://www.visir.is/i/703C5F0BC56A6599F5212D8D8D44B0901BCE68F362802447C4A61628CF596077_713x0.jpg

    https://m2.mbl.is/Ca6kGquj3h64JfyLfUlkJLzUfK4=/758x505/smart/frimg/9/87/987658.jpg

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Mike Zwick

    Maybe they were just confused by the fact that Greenland is all ice, and Iceland is all green?

  41. @Wade Hampton
    @ScarletNumber

    Chrome and beautiful women. Of course, we cannot pronounce their names. This one is Dajana Kllogjri.

    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/8774370/740full-dajana-kllogjri.jpg

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Muggles, @Irish Savant, @Irish Savant

    Looks like a pugnacious runt to me. One that has been haphazardly assembled out of poorly fitting components.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni--Frid were trannies ... I'm not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIX8226rWQ

    Replies: @HammerJack, @JohnPlywood, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Curle, @Ganderson, @Cloudbuster

    , @throtler
    @JohnPlywood

    That is because you have bad taste.

  42. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gunnar von Cowtown
    Imagine living in a society so functional that your most troublesome minorities are Albanians....

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @R.G. Camara

    Imagine living in a society so functional that your most troublesome minorities are Albanians….

    Lol, good point. Albanians definitely punch above their weight. Great comedians/actors, astronauts, NHLers,…

  43. @JohnPlywood
    @Rob McX

    Their names Thomas Møller Olsen and Nikolaj Olsen are Nordic. I don't think you know what Nordic people are.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Felix Krull

    Nordic people don’t look like that. Greenland is 90% Inuit, including mixed race. My guess is they’re mixed.

  44. @Wade Hampton
    @ScarletNumber

    Chrome and beautiful women. Of course, we cannot pronounce their names. This one is Dajana Kllogjri.

    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/8774370/740full-dajana-kllogjri.jpg

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Muggles, @Irish Savant, @Irish Savant

    British pop sing Dua Lipa is Albanian by parentage.

    She recently announced she is pregnant. “Dua” means “love” in Albanian.

    See what you can learn here? She’s also the # 1 pop singer in the world at the moment.

    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of. They are notoriously clannish and infamous for the vendettas. Of course if you lived in their neighborhood you’d be pretty crazy yourself.

    London is probably much safer. Though in the early 90s some of the more risky investment advisors were recommending Albania for it’s (now) cheap beach front real estate. Seems like Communism wasn’t good for the condo market. Word has it there are still plenty of concrete pillboxes available, never used.

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
    @Muggles

    Bebe Rexha has a pretty pop voice and a lovely face, and she has the brains to write songs. (Born in Brooklyn to Albanian parents.) I lived in the Tri-State area myself during 2010 to 2013 and the general opinion was that Albanian women were exceptional.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvzfOyW0ZMo

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of.
     
    Surely you've heard of Bluto?



    https://compote.slate.com/images/af17d4dd-ebec-4370-9eee-c142ba6cb136.jpg?width=840

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Muggles

    , @Rouetheday
    @Muggles

    Mother Teresa was also Albanian. In his book The Missionary Position Hitchens remarked that since the death of John Belushi she was the world's most well known Albanian.

  45. @YetAnotherAnon
    @neutral

    "Eight, including one Icelander, are in custody in connection with a police investigation into the murder in Rauðagerði last weekend. The eighth was sentenced to custody today, but he is one of two people who were arrested in police operations yesterday. The custody of Lithuania, who was arrested shortly after the murder, expires today. Police will request continued custody of him. The men are in their forties and fifties and are from Spain, Albania and Lithuania, among others. Some have just arrived in the country but others have lived here for a long time. "

    (translated)

    https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/02/19/atta-i-gaesluvardhaldi-vegna-mordsins-i-raudagerdi

    Apparently some of the investigations are in Selfoss, a town in the south some forty miles from the capital.



    I remember when the gangsters in London were all either Brits, Maltese or Jamaican.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/a-new-brand-of-fear-7221056.html


    The growth of the Albanian criminal fraternity has been causing unease among police forces since around 1995 when, along with genuine asylum seekers from Kosovo, some young men entered the country with their sights on the rich pickings of the capital's drugs and vice scenes. Since then, they have taken more than 80 per cent of London's sex industry - and experts estimate that about 75 per cent of all heroin sold in the UK will pass through Albanian hands at some point on its journey to the junkie on the street.

    Albanians had control of 70 per cent of the drug trade in Germany and Switzerland by 1995. In criminal terms, it was a meteoric rise.

    By this time, an influx of Kosovar Albanians had already arrived in the UK. Within this mostly lawabiding grouping were sharp and ruthless men, the vanguard of a criminal invasion that was to take London by storm.

    According to a report by the National Criminal Intelligence Service, Albanians have staged a bloodless coup in Soho in the past 18 months - buying out the owners of strip joints, sex shops and brothels. A Standard investigation in July showed that girls from eastern Europe were being tricked or kidnapped and smuggled into Britain, where they were forced to work as prostitutes after being sold and resold to Albanian pimps for about £5,000.

     

    Good old Tony Blair and NATO, something else we can thank them for. The bomb-enforced removal of Kosovo from Serbia was a crime for which we (but alas not Blair or his allies) are still paying the price.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @JMcG

    I remember when the gangsters in London were all either Brits, Maltese or Jamaican.

    Ethnic Brits always seem to have been a minority among the country’s gangsters. Nowadays, it’s a haven for criminals from every corner of the planet. But even before nonwhite immigration started in earnest, most of the big time gangsters seem to have been of Italian, Maltese, Jewish or Irish origin.

  46. Speaking of diversity, the Dr Watson on the upcoming NETFLIX Sherlock Holmes show THE IRREGULARS is Black:

    And the rest of the cast is thoroughly BIPOC…..

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @syonredux


    Speaking of diversity, the Dr Watson on the upcoming NETFLIX Sherlock Holmes show THE IRREGULARS is Black:
     
    The only people I can think of who'll never be played by black actors are Adolf Hitler and Albert Einstein.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

  47. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    John and Jim Belushi are my idea of who, what they look like Albanians.

    Kind of big….

    Rather swarthy in a Sicilian type of way.

    A gateway people – not really White Europeans, but not total Arab, Pakistani Muslims.

    More like swarthy Turks that go back and forth between Islam, POC and Europeans, Whites.

    At least John and Jim Belushi were funny on TV – not so their movies.

    • Replies: @T.Chris
    @anonymous


    A gateway people – not really White Europeans, but not total Arab, Pakistani Muslims.
     
    Just like you're not really White European, but not total Asian, Siberian Mongol.

    https://racialreality.blogspot.com/2020/09/ancient-north-eurasians-from-siberia.html
  48. @R.G. Camara
    Iceland has a population of less than 500,000 people. That's literally fewer people than many moderate-sized cities in the U.S.

    A 9-person gang in a moderately-sized city can be a major source of crime if not caught. In housing projects in the U.S.., a 9 or 10 person gang can basically run the entire operation as their own personal fiefdom.

    And if a gang is in anyway organized, it can cause huge problems in the small population beyond merely low-level drug dealing and shakedowns.

    Albanians have a reputation of having organized crime. Sicilians and other Italians get all the headlines here, but Albanians are no slouches. It's just we had more Italians immigrate here than Albanians.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Dumbo

    I just read Peter Kemp’s No Colours or Crest. He was an S.O.E. Officer who spent much of World War 2 attempting to organize resistance in Albania. Two things struck me about his story:
    1. S.O.E. seems to have been a colossal waste of time and talent in general.
    2. Albania was an awful place 80 years ago. Full to the brim with horrible people.

    • Replies: @Jim B'Oh
    @JMcG

    But according to the wonderfully entertaining travel writer & poet, Linh Dinh, who writes here at the Unz Review, Albania has really changed. There are fewer vestiges of its former 3rd World ways, and it appears to be on the verge of offering an almost European lifestyle.

    Linh talks about this in the latest installment of his Postcards series.

    Personally, I'm hoping he settles down there. He's not a young man (i.e. approximately my age), and we're too old to be wandering the globe...

  49. @YetAnotherAnon
    @neutral

    "Eight, including one Icelander, are in custody in connection with a police investigation into the murder in Rauðagerði last weekend. The eighth was sentenced to custody today, but he is one of two people who were arrested in police operations yesterday. The custody of Lithuania, who was arrested shortly after the murder, expires today. Police will request continued custody of him. The men are in their forties and fifties and are from Spain, Albania and Lithuania, among others. Some have just arrived in the country but others have lived here for a long time. "

    (translated)

    https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/02/19/atta-i-gaesluvardhaldi-vegna-mordsins-i-raudagerdi

    Apparently some of the investigations are in Selfoss, a town in the south some forty miles from the capital.



    I remember when the gangsters in London were all either Brits, Maltese or Jamaican.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/a-new-brand-of-fear-7221056.html


    The growth of the Albanian criminal fraternity has been causing unease among police forces since around 1995 when, along with genuine asylum seekers from Kosovo, some young men entered the country with their sights on the rich pickings of the capital's drugs and vice scenes. Since then, they have taken more than 80 per cent of London's sex industry - and experts estimate that about 75 per cent of all heroin sold in the UK will pass through Albanian hands at some point on its journey to the junkie on the street.

    Albanians had control of 70 per cent of the drug trade in Germany and Switzerland by 1995. In criminal terms, it was a meteoric rise.

    By this time, an influx of Kosovar Albanians had already arrived in the UK. Within this mostly lawabiding grouping were sharp and ruthless men, the vanguard of a criminal invasion that was to take London by storm.

    According to a report by the National Criminal Intelligence Service, Albanians have staged a bloodless coup in Soho in the past 18 months - buying out the owners of strip joints, sex shops and brothels. A Standard investigation in July showed that girls from eastern Europe were being tricked or kidnapped and smuggled into Britain, where they were forced to work as prostitutes after being sold and resold to Albanian pimps for about £5,000.

     

    Good old Tony Blair and NATO, something else we can thank them for. The bomb-enforced removal of Kosovo from Serbia was a crime for which we (but alas not Blair or his allies) are still paying the price.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @JMcG

    Albanians are getting a lock on the restaurant trade in Sea Isle City, N.J. of all places. An acquaintance had a pizza shop there and the Albanians ran him out of business. Told him to his face that they would do it too.

  50. Iceland literally had like one murder a year until a few years ago

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Roderick Spode

    If crime there gets any worse they'll all be moving to the Faroe Islands

    , @Wilkey
    @Roderick Spode


    Iceland literally had like one murder a year until a few years ago.
     
    From 2001-2017, Iceland had 36 murders total, or an average of 2.11 per year. So it wouldn't be too hard to look into how many involved immigrants and minorities.

    A really gruesome from 2017 involved the murder of a 20-year-old Icelandic girl by a Greenlandic sailor, who appears to be at least part Inuit.

    Another 2017 murder was committed by a Yemeni asylum seeker who murdered a Latvian woman after stalking her.

    Yet another 2017 murder involved several members of the Reykjavik underworld, some of whom were natives but two of whom were Polish.

    Three of the four murders committed in Iceland in 2017 were perpetrated by foreigners, though one of them with help from natives. The fourth murderer was apparently a native Icelander who murdered an Albanian.

  51. @JohnPlywood
    @Frank McGar

    Iceland's murder rate per 100,000 over the past 25 years

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg/750px-Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg.png


    Seems like an overall decrease, in keeping with most other Western countries for the last 30 years.


    Diversity (and low birthrates) stops crime.

    Replies: @anon, @Gary in Gramercy, @Jacques Strappe, @Frank McGar, @Wilkey

    •Dolt

  52. @Muggles
    @Wade Hampton

    British pop sing Dua Lipa is Albanian by parentage.

    She recently announced she is pregnant. "Dua" means "love" in Albanian.

    See what you can learn here? She's also the # 1 pop singer in the world at the moment.

    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of. They are notoriously clannish and infamous for the vendettas. Of course if you lived in their neighborhood you'd be pretty crazy yourself.

    London is probably much safer. Though in the early 90s some of the more risky investment advisors were recommending Albania for it's (now) cheap beach front real estate. Seems like Communism wasn't good for the condo market. Word has it there are still plenty of concrete pillboxes available, never used.

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Reg Cæsar, @Rouetheday

    Bebe Rexha has a pretty pop voice and a lovely face, and she has the brains to write songs. (Born in Brooklyn to Albanian parents.) I lived in the Tri-State area myself during 2010 to 2013 and the general opinion was that Albanian women were exceptional.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Wade Hampton

    Bebe did a nice collaboration with bro-country duo Florida Georgia Line:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDo0H8Fm7d0

    Dua Lipa is interesting because for an international pop star worth 8 figures she seems like a halfway decent person. She also doesn't have the annoying habit of oversinging that was popularized by Xtina in the '00s.

    In this clip, just focus on Dua in the blue dress:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUVcZfQe-Kw

    Dua looks far better in this interview than any of her music videos, which is pretty shocking considering how much time and money they pour into those things:

    https://youtu.be/gsrakIxmHEY

  53. Iceland has had diversity experience before. A minority service member killed his white ex-girlfriend right before we pulled out of there.

  54. @Gunnar von Cowtown
    Imagine living in a society so functional that your most troublesome minorities are Albanians....

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous, @R.G. Camara

    Albanians have a reputation of being in organized crime, as much as many Italians are.

    • Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @R.G. Camara

    So what?

    I will gladly trade Iceland any day. Their Albanians for any of our top 5 most troublesome minorities.

    You don't think America gets the better of that deal?

  55. Albanians, Chechnyans, Somalis, Michiganers, etc.

  56. @Anonymous
    @TelfoedJohn

    Albanian thots (via Blighty) seem to be taking over pop music lately. It's like they struck the mother lode of kardashium just outside Tirana

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Albanian thots (via Blighty) seem to be taking over pop music lately.

    Two that come to mind are Bebe Rexha and Dua Lipa.

  57. The Balkans come to Iceland, bringing their feuds with them?

  58. @Paperback Writer
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Icelandics are Scandinavian paternally and Scotland/Ireland maternally. But their peacefulness is environmental. Is it too hard to figure out?

    Replies: @Bill P, @John Milton’s Ghost

    They are actually about 25% Scottish/Irish paternally (50% maternally). Quite a few founding males were from the British Isles.

    I think that’s because it was common among Norse and Celtic chieftains to exchange young males from noble families as hostages to secure peace and forge alliances. The Celts in Iceland were not all slaves. Gaelic given names were fairly common amongst the literate class, probably because Irish were more literate than the Norse when Iceland was settled, and there were already Irish monks living there when the vikings found the place.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Bill P

    No way dude, Icelandix are about 62-64% Irish maternally. They're only 36% Scandinavian maternally.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/6800661


    A further study suggests that Icelanders and Orkney Islanders have similar proportions of Scandinavian mtDNA ancestry (≈36%; Helgason et al, 2001)
     

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Philip Neal
    @Bill P

    Iceland was founded in 874 from Norway, then a land of small kings ruling areas the size of a county. One of them, King Harald Fairhair (Harald Harfagr), successfully unified the country into a centralised monarchy like Denmark and Sweden. His defeated opponents continued the war from the northern and western isles of Scotland and Ireland, and only left for Iceland, discovered by accident in 860, after Harald inflicted a naval defeat on them in 872. It is true that Norwegian Vikings were sometimes pirates, but it is untrue that the first Icelandic women were slaves acquired by raiding.

    , @Tony
    @Bill P

    So Iceland has a sizeable male population that is stubby.

  59. @AnotherDad
    Who in their right mind would invite Albanians to come?


    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation's people and culture and love "diversity" to go live in ... and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer--a noisy cancer--upon the West.

    Maybe we could buy someplace in Siberia from Putin? Or maybe we just designate Iceland and let the Icelanders settle wherever else they like. (Sacrifice one nation to save the rest.)

    Something.

    Replies: @Spangel12, @Hannah Katz, @Polistra, @S, @Mr. Peabody, @Whiskey

    Wall Street Moves to Florida‘ in the WSJ. Billionaires decamping from Manhattan, trying to sell their mega-buck apartments. Fun reading for those so inclined. About 40 names in the article and we got nearly 25 in before, alas, a goy showed up and ruined the fun.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/wall-street-moves-to-florida-nyc-real-estate-11614020268

    Final sentence in the article:

    “When the curtain rises on that next act, we have to make sure New York City is more dynamic, more vibrant and more livable than it was before.”

    Oh well. One out of three ain’t bad, right?

  60. @Hannah Katz
    @AnotherDad

    Antarctica might be a good place for them. Not all that different from Iceland, and there are no indigenous people to feel guilty about dispossessing.

    Replies: @Franz

    Antarctica might be a good place for them.

    No. No.

    Cruelty to penguins. Do what you want to humans, but penguins deserve better.

    • Agree: Polistra
  61. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    Vikings were a small group of seafaring explorers, some marauding pirates, who existed for ~150 years in Middle Ages c. 9th-10th centuries AD. Noble Savage-romanticized raiding, raping, pillaging Odin-worshiping pagan Vikings existed even less time. ‘Tis an aberration historians still can’t explain: why some restless men in south Scandinavia (in 9th century, Finno-Ugric tribes were still the main populations across virtually all Sweden except southern tip) suddenly started setting sail raiding all around; then just as abruptly Viking ‘diaspora’ quietly settled down in their new homelands. The word only a learned borrowing in 19th century English from Old Norse ‘víkingr’ as ‘Vikings’ experienced romanticist historical revival.

    Vikings were traveling seafarers, not sedentary in modern Scandinavian countries: descendants of Vikings can be found all across Europe whither they traveled/settled (sometimes in violent rapey fashion mixing with prior locals). By 11th century Vikings became Latin Christianized Normans who conquered and set up ‘civilized’ Christian kingdoms in England and Sicily; some Vikings settled Kiev—Kievan Rus—some became Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Romans, formed Varangian Guard at Hellenic Constantinople; some settled as Latin Roman Catholic Christians in Italy/Sicily in aforementioned Norman kingdoms. (Were the Normans still Vikings?)

    Under influence of mother Thjóðhildr, Leif Eriksson was Christian (to chagrin of father Erik the Red); the Norsemen who ‘discovered’ Vinland (now Newfoundland) had Latin-speaking Roman Catholic clergy on board their ships for Catholic Mass and rites. (Were these seafaring Norsemen still Vikings?)

    This silly widespread myth that Vikings were typical of what all or most people in modern Scandinavian countries were generally like for all or most of their history until now is as fictitious as horns on Viking helmets.

    (Also, Iceland is not technically Scandinavia—’tis an island settled by a variety of peoples in seas far off from the Scandinavian Peninsula. Like Finland, Iceland is more properly termed a Nordic country together with Sweden, Norway, Denmark.)

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Juvenalis

    I was part of a group of foreign visitors given a tour of the Stockholm city hall building, which also happens to be the venue where the King of Sweden hands out the Nobel Prizes.

    Standing with his back to a statue of a female figure that would have made John Ashcroft blush, the personification of Stockholm much like the role of the Forward statue in Wisconsin, our guide explained, with the driest of a sense of Scandinavian humor, that the founding of Stockholm was marked by the "passage of a city ordinance outlawing rape."

    Darn! We Vikings can no longer commit acts of rape within City Limits.

    , @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Juvenalis

    All good information and perspective, thanks.

    In France there remains an association between Normans and blond hair (I.e. “she looks like a Norman”) , so there remains some genetic legacy there.

  62. A little off topic, but what’s the deal with white Hispanics. Where do they stand demographically and politically.

  63. @Spangel12
    @AnotherDad

    I quite agree. Let the open borders people have their own country. Let anyone go there. And then let the others do what they will. Israel can have religious preference. Singapore and select immigrants based on needed skill sets. Lithuania can refuse to allow any immigrants.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Let the open borders people have their own country.

    Yes, if only. They want what they want, so very badly, but it’s us they want it for. They’ll be safe in their various hideaways and besides, who can conceive of a billion anyway? (Matt Y, that’s who.)

    These “Europe-Bound Migrants” were found in the trash in “Melilla Spain” (actually one of their foolish enclaves in Morocco) yesterday and actually the ‘migrants’ were attempting to spirit themselves across the border because apparently once you’re in Melilla you’re in the EU and all’s fair.

    Anyway, how inhumane can you be not to realize that these poor desperate people need some of our stuff? We have more than enough to share, and they’re superior to us anyway–ask Biden, or Mr. Plywood right here in this thread.

    Billions, you were saying? Billions? Someone else can worry about those. That’ll be some other place, at some future date, perhaps. But most likely it’s just white-supremacist propaganda. The important thing is that we help those in need, and feel good about ourselves.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Polistra



    These “Europe-Bound Migrants” were found in the trash in “Melilla Spain” (actually one of their foolish enclaves in Morocco) yesterday and actually the ‘migrants’ were attempting to spirit themselves across the border because apparently once you’re in Melilla you’re in the EU and all’s fair.

     

    The Spanish apparently realized early that leaving the other side of the Strait of Gibraltar as an invasion staging post for Moors was a bad idea.

    Migrants apparently try to storm the fenced-in enclaves every couple of years for the reason you mention, just seeking a better life maaan.

    Replies: @Neuday

    , @Spangel12
    @Polistra

    I’m happy to share wealth with the aspiring europeans as long as they are required to stay out of Europe.

    Replies: @Polistra

  64. @JohnnyWalker123
    Foreign-born populations of Iceland.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iceland

    https://ibb.co/jZpVfpQ

    Replies: @HammerJack

    They’ve doubled their immigrant cohort in less than a decade. Good thing they’re learning from others’ mistakes.

    Also, too many Filipinos. At least the Thai can make delicious restaurant meals.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @HammerJack

    Whenever I argue with anyone about immigration, one of my ground rules is that the word “restaurant" cannot be used.

  65. @R.G. Camara
    Iceland has a population of less than 500,000 people. That's literally fewer people than many moderate-sized cities in the U.S.

    A 9-person gang in a moderately-sized city can be a major source of crime if not caught. In housing projects in the U.S.., a 9 or 10 person gang can basically run the entire operation as their own personal fiefdom.

    And if a gang is in anyway organized, it can cause huge problems in the small population beyond merely low-level drug dealing and shakedowns.

    Albanians have a reputation of having organized crime. Sicilians and other Italians get all the headlines here, but Albanians are no slouches. It's just we had more Italians immigrate here than Albanians.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Dumbo

    It’s just we had more Italians immigrate here than Albanians.

    Biden will soon take care of this. “Albanian deficit” is a serious problem!

  66. Say what you will about Albanians, but in the Bronx the local blegs and boricuas are scared shitless of them. They will do 10 years rather than rat, without a thought. The janitors in NYC are largely Albanian, so they have hundreds of places across the city in which to incinerate your corpse. I never felt safer than when my office faced a wall with a big double-headed eagle stenciled in it.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Ghost of Bull Moose


    The janitors in NYC are largely Albanian, so they have hundreds of places across the city in which to incinerate your corpse.
     
    https://youtu.be/9WMD3mTy8qQ
  67. @JohnPlywood
    @Frank McGar

    Iceland's murder rate per 100,000 over the past 25 years

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg/750px-Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg.png


    Seems like an overall decrease, in keeping with most other Western countries for the last 30 years.


    Diversity (and low birthrates) stops crime.

    Replies: @anon, @Gary in Gramercy, @Jacques Strappe, @Frank McGar, @Wilkey

    More like “diversity stops crime…from being reported accurately.”

    Does the U.K.’s Yorkshire city of Rotherham ring a bell?

  68. @JohnPlywood
    @Wade Hampton

    Looks like a pugnacious runt to me. One that has been haphazardly assembled out of poorly fitting components.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @throtler

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni–Frid were trannies … I’m not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts.
     
    And Ms. Alden here says white men are beasts. Shouldn't we get these two together? They'd have ever so much to talk about.
    , @JohnPlywood
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Nature doesn't lie. Scandinavian women suck, that's why Icelandix are only 36% Scandinavian by matrilineal descent. When Scando men are given a choice they go for other types of women. You know, women who don't look like this:

    https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EfNrB6HJzw2hPAzmQZvHMD.jpg


    Previous analyses of the matrilineal ancestry of contemporary Icelanders have provided estimates of 62.5–66% admixture from Scotland and Ireland, with the remaining 34–37.5% coming from Scandinavia [1],[9].
     
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Wow, their pussies are right there on camera.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Rouetheday

    , @Curle
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That band really opened my eyes to music. I remember seeing those two dorks on tv with those two cuties and thinking, rock music must really mess with women’s heads. For years afterwards I wanted to be in a rock band.

    , @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Fun fact: Anna Frid is actually Norwegian- sort of; her dad was a German soldier. Mon thought it best to bring up the baby girl in a place that had not been occupied by the Nasties.

    Replies: @Oikeamielinen

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Damn, those girls had some fine legs.

  69. @JohnPlywood
    @Frank McGar

    Iceland's murder rate per 100,000 over the past 25 years

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg/750px-Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg.png


    Seems like an overall decrease, in keeping with most other Western countries for the last 30 years.


    Diversity (and low birthrates) stops crime.

    Replies: @anon, @Gary in Gramercy, @Jacques Strappe, @Frank McGar, @Wilkey

    This largely depends on the previous makeup of the area and who is diversifying an area.

    Hispanics moving into majority black areas of southern California has made them safer.

    This is a case of diversity lowering crime rates.

    However, the Hispanic population exploded and southern California is hemorrhaging blacks.

    It is becoming less diverse now and yet, crime rates, especially violent crime rates, have dropped greatly since the 80s.

  70. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni--Frid were trannies ... I'm not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIX8226rWQ

    Replies: @HammerJack, @JohnPlywood, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Curle, @Ganderson, @Cloudbuster

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts.

    And Ms. Alden here says white men are beasts. Shouldn’t we get these two together? They’d have ever so much to talk about.

  71. leaves behind an Icelandic wife and young child

    Armandosson or Armandosdóttir?

  72. @Achmed E. Newman

    ...was shot to death outside his home in East Reykjavík.
     
    Does not compute. When did you figure you'd ever read a sentence fragment like this?

    Eight of the nine individuals in custody in relation to the crime are foreign citizens and one is Icelandic.
     
    It's not the NY Times, or I'd wonder, but this writer probably means that other suspect is actually an Icelandic person by ethnicity. I wonder whether this murder was personal. Why you need to hire 8 Albanians is another question. Since the guy who was shot wasn't a citizen of Iceland either, but just a "resident", I guess that the "past to citizenship" over there is a bit slippery, on the ice and all..

    Replies: @Wilkey, @George, @Reg Cæsar

    Why you need to hire 8 Albanians is another question.

    According to a Near Eastern adage, it takes two Albanians to swindle a Turk, and sixteen Albanians to swindle an Armenian.

  73. @Muggles
    @Wade Hampton

    British pop sing Dua Lipa is Albanian by parentage.

    She recently announced she is pregnant. "Dua" means "love" in Albanian.

    See what you can learn here? She's also the # 1 pop singer in the world at the moment.

    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of. They are notoriously clannish and infamous for the vendettas. Of course if you lived in their neighborhood you'd be pretty crazy yourself.

    London is probably much safer. Though in the early 90s some of the more risky investment advisors were recommending Albania for it's (now) cheap beach front real estate. Seems like Communism wasn't good for the condo market. Word has it there are still plenty of concrete pillboxes available, never used.

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Reg Cæsar, @Rouetheday

    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of.

    Surely you’ve heard of Bluto?

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Reg Cæsar

    And Mother Teresa.

    , @Muggles
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, absolutely correct.

    Today in fact I was pondering my list and realized Belushi was Albanian.

    Of course as noted elsewhere, Mother Theresa.

    I'm sure we're leaving others out. My apologies.

    Didn't an Albanian invent the light bulb?

    Replies: @black sea

  74. @TelfoedJohn
    Albanians have a mysterious phenotype:
    https://thetab.com/uk/2020/08/11/rita-ora-isnt-black-shes-a-blackfish-and-here-are-the-receipts-170436

    Replies: @Anonymous, @obwandiyag

    But Albanians are good now that they’re not Communist. Didn’t you know that?

  75. @Dumbo
    Well no surprises... Albanian gangs are very common in many European countries and then there's Kosovo...

    I always found it tragically funny that the one new "independent country" that the Powers That Be managed to create was Kosovo... I mean, Catalonia, Euskadi, Quebec, even the Kurds had better claims. But nooo, let's create a Muslim narco-state in the middle of Europe.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @nokangaroos

    But it’s better than Communism. Didn’t you know that?

  76. @Roderick Spode
    Iceland literally had like one murder a year until a few years ago

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Wilkey

    If crime there gets any worse they’ll all be moving to the Faroe Islands

  77. Albanians are white. And yet you say they are very bad killer type people. How is this possible? Don’t you believe your own principles?

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @obwandiyag

    Perhaps the 60% (and that's a very low estimate) of them that are Muslims factor into the equation..

  78. @Bill P
    @Paperback Writer

    They are actually about 25% Scottish/Irish paternally (50% maternally). Quite a few founding males were from the British Isles.

    I think that's because it was common among Norse and Celtic chieftains to exchange young males from noble families as hostages to secure peace and forge alliances. The Celts in Iceland were not all slaves. Gaelic given names were fairly common amongst the literate class, probably because Irish were more literate than the Norse when Iceland was settled, and there were already Irish monks living there when the vikings found the place.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Philip Neal, @Tony

    No way dude, Icelandix are about 62-64% Irish maternally. They’re only 36% Scandinavian maternally.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/6800661

    A further study suggests that Icelanders and Orkney Islanders have similar proportions of Scandinavian mtDNA ancestry (≈36%; Helgason et al, 2001)

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, that's what I was saying.

    And I don't think those two murderers were 100% Danish. I think they were mixed, probably Danish father (hence names) and Inuit mother.

  79. @Colin Wright
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    '...Iceland’s small but fairly agreeable population was also excellent for conducting genetic studies, since they were fairly homogeneous...'

    There's an understatement. When I passed through there, they all looked vaguely like they were related.

    Given a population of a quarter of million and (I think) no significant inflow or outflow for a thousand years, they probably are.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Wielgus

    When I passed through there, they all looked vaguely like they were related.

    Oddly, right before I came here I was looking at old YouTube videos of the Icelandic singer Bjork and at one point wondered to myself if all the women there looked kind of like that. She was kind of cute in her early days but more in a elfin way than having that sex symbol look.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Mark G.

    Björk Guðmundsdóttir may be part Sámi. They are a distinct Uralic people.

    Replies: @Oikeamielinen

  80. Three pleasant young Albanian couples mysteriously showed up together at my pretty whitebread polling place last November. The men were short, dark-haired, unattractive — but the gals were tall, lithe and striking. We do have plenty of Guatemalans around our village but Albanians would be a new wrinkle.

  81. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni--Frid were trannies ... I'm not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIX8226rWQ

    Replies: @HammerJack, @JohnPlywood, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Curle, @Ganderson, @Cloudbuster

    Nature doesn’t lie. Scandinavian women suck, that’s why Icelandix are only 36% Scandinavian by matrilineal descent. When Scando men are given a choice they go for other types of women. You know, women who don’t look like this:

    Previous analyses of the matrilineal ancestry of contemporary Icelanders have provided estimates of 62.5–66% admixture from Scotland and Ireland, with the remaining 34–37.5% coming from Scandinavia [1],[9].

    • Troll: Ian Smith
  82. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni--Frid were trannies ... I'm not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIX8226rWQ

    Replies: @HammerJack, @JohnPlywood, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Curle, @Ganderson, @Cloudbuster

    Wow, their pussies are right there on camera.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Oh, yeah, around 01:30 in, whewww! Yeah, I mean, if that's what they are... [/Plywood]

    BTW, how about that pretty '70s haircut girl pulling out that Polaroid or whatever the heck it was? Cool video.

    , @Rouetheday
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Show a little respect, fella, their names are Bernie and Bjorn.

  83. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Wow, their pussies are right there on camera.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Rouetheday

    Oh, yeah, around 01:30 in, whewww! Yeah, I mean, if that’s what they are… [/Plywood]

    BTW, how about that pretty ’70s haircut girl pulling out that Polaroid or whatever the heck it was? Cool video.

  84. @JohnPlywood
    @Rob McX

    Their names Thomas Møller Olsen and Nikolaj Olsen are Nordic. I don't think you know what Nordic people are.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Felix Krull

    It’s you that don’t know what Nordic people are. Those Greenlanders – Inuit, as they call themselves – would probably spit in your face for suggesting they were a Nordic people. A Jamaican guy doesn’t become English just because his name is Winston or George.

    And as some dude says upthread, they’re evidently mixed-breed, which makes them doubly race conscious, sort of like mulattos in the US and Britain.

  85. @syonredux
    Speaking of diversity, the Dr Watson on the upcoming NETFLIX Sherlock Holmes show THE IRREGULARS is Black:





    https://magarticles.magzter.com/articles/5197/395633/5e22f9cf0ab82/ROYCE-PIERRESON.jpg

    And the rest of the cast is thoroughly BIPOC.....



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNS7Pt6Cawg

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Speaking of diversity, the Dr Watson on the upcoming NETFLIX Sherlock Holmes show THE IRREGULARS is Black:

    The only people I can think of who’ll never be played by black actors are Adolf Hitler and Albert Einstein.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Rob McX

    I would love to see a Chinese actor play MLK. A native American play Mandela.

  86. @Wade Hampton
    @Muggles

    Bebe Rexha has a pretty pop voice and a lovely face, and she has the brains to write songs. (Born in Brooklyn to Albanian parents.) I lived in the Tri-State area myself during 2010 to 2013 and the general opinion was that Albanian women were exceptional.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvzfOyW0ZMo

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Bebe did a nice collaboration with bro-country duo Florida Georgia Line:

    Dua Lipa is interesting because for an international pop star worth 8 figures she seems like a halfway decent person. She also doesn’t have the annoying habit of oversinging that was popularized by Xtina in the ’00s.

    In this clip, just focus on Dua in the blue dress:

    Dua looks far better in this interview than any of her music videos, which is pretty shocking considering how much time and money they pour into those things:

  87. @JohnPlywood
    @Frank McGar

    Iceland's murder rate per 100,000 over the past 25 years

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg/750px-Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg.png


    Seems like an overall decrease, in keeping with most other Western countries for the last 30 years.


    Diversity (and low birthrates) stops crime.

    Replies: @anon, @Gary in Gramercy, @Jacques Strappe, @Frank McGar, @Wilkey

    What was the crime rate before 1995, when they started letting refugees into the country?

  88. @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of.
     
    Surely you've heard of Bluto?



    https://compote.slate.com/images/af17d4dd-ebec-4370-9eee-c142ba6cb136.jpg?width=840

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Muggles

    And Mother Teresa.

  89. @JohnPlywood
    @Wade Hampton

    Looks like a pugnacious runt to me. One that has been haphazardly assembled out of poorly fitting components.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @throtler

    That is because you have bad taste.

  90. @JohnPlywood
    @Frank McGar

    Iceland's murder rate per 100,000 over the past 25 years

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg/750px-Homicide_Rate_in_Iceland.svg.png


    Seems like an overall decrease, in keeping with most other Western countries for the last 30 years.


    Diversity (and low birthrates) stops crime.

    Replies: @anon, @Gary in Gramercy, @Jacques Strappe, @Frank McGar, @Wilkey

    Iceland’s homicide rate is less than 1 per 100,000. The USA’s homicide rate is over 5 per 100,000, which is higher than not only Iceland but also most countries in Europe, save perhaps for a few really shitty ones (say hi to Albania).

    The USA is also more diverse than every country in Europe, by far.

    Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are extremely homogeneous and have extremely low homicide rates. Central America is pretty homogeneous and has an extremely high homicide rate. Ditto for much of Africa.

    Diversity is really just a nonsense word. What we are talking about is different groups of people with different propensities to commit crime. It’s like saying I’m making spaghetti with “diverse ingredients.” By diverse ingredients do I mean basil, or Drano? It kind of matters.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Wilkey

    The US murder rate of 5 per 100,000 represents a huge decline from the 20th century peak of roughly 10 per 100,000, back when the country was 80% white. The US murder rate declined sharply in the 1990s despite the massive influx of Mexicans and central Americans, and a relative increase in the black population.


    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/humfig/images/11217607.0002.206-00000002.jpg


    90% white America still had a homicide rate of ~8-9 per 100,000 in the teens and thirties.


    White Americans pretending like they were ever European by genetics or temperament is as rich as toffee.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  91. @Muggles
    @Wade Hampton

    British pop sing Dua Lipa is Albanian by parentage.

    She recently announced she is pregnant. "Dua" means "love" in Albanian.

    See what you can learn here? She's also the # 1 pop singer in the world at the moment.

    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of. They are notoriously clannish and infamous for the vendettas. Of course if you lived in their neighborhood you'd be pretty crazy yourself.

    London is probably much safer. Though in the early 90s some of the more risky investment advisors were recommending Albania for it's (now) cheap beach front real estate. Seems like Communism wasn't good for the condo market. Word has it there are still plenty of concrete pillboxes available, never used.

    Replies: @Wade Hampton, @Reg Cæsar, @Rouetheday

    Mother Teresa was also Albanian. In his book The Missionary Position Hitchens remarked that since the death of John Belushi she was the world’s most well known Albanian.

  92. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni--Frid were trannies ... I'm not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIX8226rWQ

    Replies: @HammerJack, @JohnPlywood, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Curle, @Ganderson, @Cloudbuster

    That band really opened my eyes to music. I remember seeing those two dorks on tv with those two cuties and thinking, rock music must really mess with women’s heads. For years afterwards I wanted to be in a rock band.

  93. @Kent Nationalist
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD
     
    I am not anti-HBD, but the fact that a race of people famous for fighting (even amongst each other, as in the sagas) are now a mere few hundred years later one of the most peaceful seems prima facie like an anti-HBD argument

    Replies: @anon, @John Milton’s Ghost

    People underestimate how quickly genetics can be selected for and/or evolve / mutate.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @anon

    I disagree, people greatly overestimate and bloviate about it, without a shred of hard evidence, in HBD circles. Kent Nationalist is right for once.

  94. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Wow, their pussies are right there on camera.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Rouetheday

    Show a little respect, fella, their names are Bernie and Bjorn.

  95. @Roderick Spode
    Iceland literally had like one murder a year until a few years ago

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Wilkey

    Iceland literally had like one murder a year until a few years ago.

    From 2001-2017, Iceland had 36 murders total, or an average of 2.11 per year. So it wouldn’t be too hard to look into how many involved immigrants and minorities.

    A really gruesome from 2017 involved the murder of a 20-year-old Icelandic girl by a Greenlandic sailor, who appears to be at least part Inuit.

    Another 2017 murder was committed by a Yemeni asylum seeker who murdered a Latvian woman after stalking her.

    Yet another 2017 murder involved several members of the Reykjavik underworld, some of whom were natives but two of whom were Polish.

    Three of the four murders committed in Iceland in 2017 were perpetrated by foreigners, though one of them with help from natives. The fourth murderer was apparently a native Icelander who murdered an Albanian.

  96. Two Albanians in Reykjavík are, unsurprisingly, panhandling for money, and agree to each work on different streetcorners a mile apart to best maximize their chances. After a long day of moaning and whining for passersby to toss coins into their plastic buckets, they meet (at a bar, of course) to compare their hauls.

    “I did TERRIBLE!” cries Fatmir, holding a palm full of small change. “Less than five krona! Truly these Icelanders must hate all Albanians!”

    “Oh they hate us all right”, chuckles Besnik, shaking a bucket full of coins and paper money, “but I make five HUNDRED krona today!! Clearly, Fatmir, you are doing it all wrong.”

    “WHAT!! Five HUNDRED-? How is possible?!” a stupefied Fatmir asks, to which Besnik responds, “Look, I teach you how. Where is your sign?” To which Fatmir holds up a piece of oaktag with

    PLEASE HELP
    MY FIVE CHILDREN ARE HUNGRY
    AND I HAVE NO JOB

    crudely but legibly written on it.

    Besnik snatches it away and rips it up over his piglike compatriot’s objections. “Besnik! Why you rip up sign?!”

    “Is STUPID sign!” Besnik rolls up his hat and, Leo Gorcey style, repeatedly smacks Fatmir over the head with it. “From now on you carry GOOD sign!” And he holds up a placard with

    ONLY NEED 10 MORE KRONA FOR PLANE TICKET BACK TO ALBANIA!!

    written in giant letters.

  97. @Wilkey
    @JohnPlywood

    Iceland's homicide rate is less than 1 per 100,000. The USA's homicide rate is over 5 per 100,000, which is higher than not only Iceland but also most countries in Europe, save perhaps for a few really shitty ones (say hi to Albania).

    The USA is also more diverse than every country in Europe, by far.

    Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are extremely homogeneous and have extremely low homicide rates. Central America is pretty homogeneous and has an extremely high homicide rate. Ditto for much of Africa.

    Diversity is really just a nonsense word. What we are talking about is different groups of people with different propensities to commit crime. It's like saying I'm making spaghetti with "diverse ingredients." By diverse ingredients do I mean basil, or Drano? It kind of matters.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    The US murder rate of 5 per 100,000 represents a huge decline from the 20th century peak of roughly 10 per 100,000, back when the country was 80% white. The US murder rate declined sharply in the 1990s despite the massive influx of Mexicans and central Americans, and a relative increase in the black population.

    90% white America still had a homicide rate of ~8-9 per 100,000 in the teens and thirties.

    White Americans pretending like they were ever European by genetics or temperament is as rich as toffee.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @JohnPlywood


    White Americans pretending like they were ever European by genetics or temperament is as rich as toffee.
     
    Oh, so you're a parody account. Thanks for finally telling me.

    As for the decline in murder rates, we have seen large declines before (the last time without much increase in diversity) as your own graph clearly shows. The changing age profile of the population, improvements in medical treatment of shooting victims (so that they don't become murder victims), better police tactics, a better understanding of criminal behavior, stricter or laxer penalties imposed by judges, legalized abortion, changing patterns of drug use, and even the elimination of lead additives in paint and gasoline - all of these could have had a major impact on overall murder rates.

    Hell, maybe it's just that so many people got air conditioning and decided to stay home rather than go out and kill people. It's easy to forget that 30 years ago there were still a lot of people out there with shitty or no air conditioning in their homes. Maybe murder rates declined because of the increasing use of CGI in movies? Netscape came out right at the same time as murder rates stopped dropping. Perhaps it was all the online porn that did it?

    To pick out one trend - the increasing diversity of the US populations - that simply happened to be occurring at the same time as the decline in murder rates and suggest that must have been the cause of that decline is absurd.

    Replies: @bomag

  98. @anon
    @Kent Nationalist

    People underestimate how quickly genetics can be selected for and/or evolve / mutate.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    I disagree, people greatly overestimate and bloviate about it, without a shred of hard evidence, in HBD circles. Kent Nationalist is right for once.

  99. @Mark G.
    @Colin Wright


    When I passed through there, they all looked vaguely like they were related.
     
    Oddly, right before I came here I was looking at old YouTube videos of the Icelandic singer Bjork and at one point wondered to myself if all the women there looked kind of like that. She was kind of cute in her early days but more in a elfin way than having that sex symbol look.

    Replies: @anon

    Björk Guðmundsdóttir may be part Sámi. They are a distinct Uralic people.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
    @anon

    Uralic people? Who teaches you nonsense like that?

    Replies: @Badger Down

  100. @JohnPlywood
    @Wilkey

    The US murder rate of 5 per 100,000 represents a huge decline from the 20th century peak of roughly 10 per 100,000, back when the country was 80% white. The US murder rate declined sharply in the 1990s despite the massive influx of Mexicans and central Americans, and a relative increase in the black population.


    https://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/humfig/images/11217607.0002.206-00000002.jpg


    90% white America still had a homicide rate of ~8-9 per 100,000 in the teens and thirties.


    White Americans pretending like they were ever European by genetics or temperament is as rich as toffee.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    White Americans pretending like they were ever European by genetics or temperament is as rich as toffee.

    Oh, so you’re a parody account. Thanks for finally telling me.

    As for the decline in murder rates, we have seen large declines before (the last time without much increase in diversity) as your own graph clearly shows. The changing age profile of the population, improvements in medical treatment of shooting victims (so that they don’t become murder victims), better police tactics, a better understanding of criminal behavior, stricter or laxer penalties imposed by judges, legalized abortion, changing patterns of drug use, and even the elimination of lead additives in paint and gasoline – all of these could have had a major impact on overall murder rates.

    Hell, maybe it’s just that so many people got air conditioning and decided to stay home rather than go out and kill people. It’s easy to forget that 30 years ago there were still a lot of people out there with shitty or no air conditioning in their homes. Maybe murder rates declined because of the increasing use of CGI in movies? Netscape came out right at the same time as murder rates stopped dropping. Perhaps it was all the online porn that did it?

    To pick out one trend – the increasing diversity of the US populations – that simply happened to be occurring at the same time as the decline in murder rates and suggest that must have been the cause of that decline is absurd.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Wilkey

    Thanks.

    "Because of" and "in spite of" are distinctions lost on the trolls of the world.

    Modern interventions could well have driven native Icelandic murder rates to a statistical zero, but "diversity" has kept the rates afloat.

  101. I think we know who the first non-white person to settle in “white-bread” Iceland was.

    Hans Jonathan was the son of the Danish man Hans Gram and the black woman Emilia Regina. In 1784, Hans was born as a slave on a sugar plantation on the island of Saint Croix, which was then part of the Danish West Indies. He escaped the island and moved to Iceland. In the 1820s, Hans was married to the Icelandic woman Katrín Antoníusdóttir and they had two children who lived into adulthood. There are approximately 800-900 of their descendants alive today.

    A 2018 genetic study by Anuradha Jagadeesan, et al. entitled “Reconstructing an African Haploid Genome from the 18th Century” (published in Nature Genetics vol. 50, no. 2 on pages 199-205) tested the autosomal DNA of 182 of Hans’ living descendants in order to reconstruct Hans’ mother’s genome as fully as possible. They succeeded in identifying about 38% of it. Hans’ mother had genetic affinities to the peoples of Nigeria, Benin, and Cameroon.

    One of Hans’ descendants, an Icelandic woman, tested her DNA with 23andMe, which reported that she carries 1.2% “West African” DNA.

  102. I wonder how brutal the old Vikings really were. Their modern day descendants in Scandinavia, Minnesota and I believe Iceland, sure don’t seem like the types who go off on blood-drunk rampages.

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
    @RichardTaylor

    A king of Norway took 6000 Varangians to Constantinople around a thousand years ago and left them there. Maybe that was the end of the Vikings. They were sold on to eastern lands and neutered.

    There is a recent DNA study of the so-called Vikings that indicates quite a cosmopolitan ethnic mix in them.

  103. @Reg Cæsar
    @Muggles


    Aside from former dictator Enver Hoxha and King Zog, she is the only Albanian I have heard of.
     
    Surely you've heard of Bluto?



    https://compote.slate.com/images/af17d4dd-ebec-4370-9eee-c142ba6cb136.jpg?width=840

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Muggles

    Yes, absolutely correct.

    Today in fact I was pondering my list and realized Belushi was Albanian.

    Of course as noted elsewhere, Mother Theresa.

    I’m sure we’re leaving others out. My apologies.

    Didn’t an Albanian invent the light bulb?

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Muggles

    John Alite, former associate of the Gambino crime family and childhood friend of John Gotti Jr, is Albanian. Despite his friendship with Gotti, he was reputedly involved in a conspiracy to kill him.

    He seems to have lived a colorful life. He is of course now an author and motivational speaker, which is apparently a popular route for retired gangsters.

  104. As for the decline in murder rates, we have seen large declines before (the last time without much increase in diversity) as your own graph clearly shows

    Yes, that was WW2 and the related deaths of +500,000 young American males.

    To pick out one trend – the increasing diversity of the US populations – that simply happened to be occurring at the same time as the decline in murder rates and suggest that must have been the cause of that decline is absurd.

    Well, white nationalists have said that America would become increasingly violent as it got less white. It hasn’t. There’s been a sustained decline in homicide rates since the diversity ramped up in the ’90s. Diversity has been the single most profound change to American society since the ’90s, so it’s a good candidate.

    It was also predicted that the huge number of millennials coming of age in the 2000s would result in a crime increase, but there wasn’t one. That diversity could accompany a crime decrease, despite a demographic situation in the 2000s that should have been conductive to crime, should be even more discouraging to white nationalist.

    Diversity seems to be the best candidate for the decrease in violence in our society since the ’90s, along with gun control. I have no doubt that this will be endorsed by every echelon of higher education in the world, as the crime rate in America continues to decrease, so attempting to disagree with me is absolutely futile, and without foresight. The establishment will hammer it home that diversity decreased crime.

    Since the white trashtionalist crime argument is an utterly hopeless cause, it’s advisable to stop beating a dead horse with this fantasy of accomplishing anything by trying to revive it. It was dead on arrival. The cops didn’t care, judges didn’t care, nobody cared.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @JohnPlywood


    Diversity seems to be the best candidate for the decrease in violence in our society since the ’90s,
     
    Because...?

    I believe this is the part where you’re supposed to explain why it’s the best explanation for the decline. Murder rates in many black-majority cities are setting records.


    ...along with gun control.
     
    Actually, gun ownership is at an all-time high. Where I live it seems like virtually everyone owns a gun,, including the leftists. So not exactly sure what gun control has to do with it.
    , @Whiskey
    @JohnPlywood

    That comment is as dumb as thinking that Bill Gates forcing everyone but the elite to eat cockroaches and weeds is not going to provoke violent civil war.

    Crime is out of control, and is the prime reason places like San Francisco and New York are losing people to ... Miami. Which might have high crime but have not abolished the cops and allows concealed carry. And crime is mostly just black people. No one wants to live among, or near them. And revealed preference shows that White liberals live in the most lily White places with as few blacks as possible. Vermont, the Hamptons, New Hampshire, are not known for the hoods. Or keeping it real.

    The real play is after all the Whites have emptied out in NYC and it turns into Detroit plus. The Chinese are buying up real estate cheap there. And with the Chinese take-over of America, will they tolerate blacks or will they simply put them in Uighur style concentration camps and have a kindler, gentler extermination? Judging by their ruthless history, I'd say the latter.

    Your fundamental failure is to think in one dimension. To avoid thinking of dynamic reactions, time, the other players (Mexico, China, Whites, the military) and the likely reactions, capacities, and organizational structures and resources of each group player.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  105. @AnotherDad
    Who in their right mind would invite Albanians to come?


    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation's people and culture and love "diversity" to go live in ... and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer--a noisy cancer--upon the West.

    Maybe we could buy someplace in Siberia from Putin? Or maybe we just designate Iceland and let the Icelanders settle wherever else they like. (Sacrifice one nation to save the rest.)

    Something.

    Replies: @Spangel12, @Hannah Katz, @Polistra, @S, @Mr. Peabody, @Whiskey

    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation’s people and culture and love “diversity” to go live in … and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer–a noisy cancer–upon the West.

    Yes, I’ve thought something similar for a long time.

    There’s clearly a divide. Amongst every race, ethnicity, culture, etc, there are those who care about preserving the group, probably historically a healthy majority, and a likely minirity of those who simply don’t care, lack the discipline, are irresponsible, etc., and are immune to being shamed. With the latter, it’s always the same mantra, ”Where all the same’ they say and it’s ‘love’.

    The world’s a big place though. Long ago the people’s of the world should of designated a place with ample resources and territory for folks like these (ie those who don’t care about these things) and amply document the facts about plentiful resources.

    Documenting this would not be for their sakes, as these people strike me as often being delusional, and they will probably be screaming that ‘you’re trying to kill us all,’ from start to finish. [No, it’s simply having them live what they were attempting to force upon everyone else by default, ie ‘walk the talk’, without parasiting on others.] Documenting it would be for the responsible folks sakes, in case hundreds of years from now they might get worn down and start to half believe these people’s delusions about ‘killing us all’.

    They could call this specially designated place ‘New Pangea’.

    If everyone’s the same (ie ‘equal’) as they say, then there should be no problem. They’d have to raise their own kids there and not dump them on the grandparents.

    However, the results of wanton mixing are known. These places are in Brazil and are called ‘favelas’.

    As things have stood it’s not been fair to the responsible people (as stated, probably the majority) who do care about preserving the various races and ethnicities.

  106. Didn’t an Albanian invent the light bulb?

    C’mon, man, it was a black Albanian! Er, wait, a Black Albanian! Yeah!

  107. @JMcG
    @R.G. Camara

    I just read Peter Kemp’s No Colours or Crest. He was an S.O.E. Officer who spent much of World War 2 attempting to organize resistance in Albania. Two things struck me about his story:
    1. S.O.E. seems to have been a colossal waste of time and talent in general.
    2. Albania was an awful place 80 years ago. Full to the brim with horrible people.

    Replies: @Jim B'Oh

    But according to the wonderfully entertaining travel writer & poet, Linh Dinh, who writes here at the Unz Review, Albania has really changed. There are fewer vestiges of its former 3rd World ways, and it appears to be on the verge of offering an almost European lifestyle.

    Linh talks about this in the latest installment of his Postcards series.

    Personally, I’m hoping he settles down there. He’s not a young man (i.e. approximately my age), and we’re too old to be wandering the globe…

  108. @JohnPlywood

    As for the decline in murder rates, we have seen large declines before (the last time without much increase in diversity) as your own graph clearly shows
     
    Yes, that was WW2 and the related deaths of +500,000 young American males.

    To pick out one trend – the increasing diversity of the US populations – that simply happened to be occurring at the same time as the decline in murder rates and suggest that must have been the cause of that decline is absurd.
     
    Well, white nationalists have said that America would become increasingly violent as it got less white. It hasn't. There's been a sustained decline in homicide rates since the diversity ramped up in the '90s. Diversity has been the single most profound change to American society since the '90s, so it's a good candidate.

    It was also predicted that the huge number of millennials coming of age in the 2000s would result in a crime increase, but there wasn't one. That diversity could accompany a crime decrease, despite a demographic situation in the 2000s that should have been conductive to crime, should be even more discouraging to white nationalist.

    Diversity seems to be the best candidate for the decrease in violence in our society since the '90s, along with gun control. I have no doubt that this will be endorsed by every echelon of higher education in the world, as the crime rate in America continues to decrease, so attempting to disagree with me is absolutely futile, and without foresight. The establishment will hammer it home that diversity decreased crime.

    Since the white trashtionalist crime argument is an utterly hopeless cause, it's advisable to stop beating a dead horse with this fantasy of accomplishing anything by trying to revive it. It was dead on arrival. The cops didn't care, judges didn't care, nobody cared.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Whiskey

    Diversity seems to be the best candidate for the decrease in violence in our society since the ’90s,

    Because…?

    I believe this is the part where you’re supposed to explain why it’s the best explanation for the decline. Murder rates in many black-majority cities are setting records.

    …along with gun control.

    Actually, gun ownership is at an all-time high. Where I live it seems like virtually everyone owns a gun,, including the leftists. So not exactly sure what gun control has to do with it.

  109. I read this webcomic set in post-apocalyptic Scandinavia. The introduction describes a virus that kills most of humanity. Iceland is spared, because their Coast Guard takes a zero-tolerance view of any ship approaching. Doesn’t matter if it’s full of happy, smiling, white refugees, it gets blown out of the water.

  110. The Beqiri clan appear to be involved in a feud. A man called Flamur Beqiri was killed in London some time ago.

    https://news.sky.com/story/flamur-beqiri-second-man-charged-with-christmas-eve-doorstep-murder-after-extradition-from-sweden-12124276

  111. @Polistra
    @Spangel12


    Let the open borders people have their own country.
     
    Yes, if only. They want what they want, so very badly, but it's us they want it for. They'll be safe in their various hideaways and besides, who can conceive of a billion anyway? (Matt Y, that's who.)


    https://i.ibb.co/4t90FTL/migrants-spain-ap.jpg

    These "Europe-Bound Migrants" were found in the trash in "Melilla Spain" (actually one of their foolish enclaves in Morocco) yesterday and actually the 'migrants' were attempting to spirit themselves across the border because apparently once you're in Melilla you're in the EU and all's fair.

    Anyway, how inhumane can you be not to realize that these poor desperate people need some of our stuff? We have more than enough to share, and they're superior to us anyway--ask Biden, or Mr. Plywood right here in this thread.

    Billions, you were saying? Billions? Someone else can worry about those. That'll be some other place, at some future date, perhaps. But most likely it's just white-supremacist propaganda. The important thing is that we help those in need, and feel good about ourselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBENMSHr_s

    Replies: @Pericles, @Spangel12

    These “Europe-Bound Migrants” were found in the trash in “Melilla Spain” (actually one of their foolish enclaves in Morocco) yesterday and actually the ‘migrants’ were attempting to spirit themselves across the border because apparently once you’re in Melilla you’re in the EU and all’s fair.

    The Spanish apparently realized early that leaving the other side of the Strait of Gibraltar as an invasion staging post for Moors was a bad idea.

    Migrants apparently try to storm the fenced-in enclaves every couple of years for the reason you mention, just seeking a better life maaan.

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Pericles


    Migrants apparently try to storm the fenced-in enclaves every couple of years for the reason you mention, just seeking a better life maaan.
     
    Damn, I should've tried that euphemism back when I'd go to bars to find a girl. When she would ask why I chose that bar, known to be a bit of a meat market, I'd should've said, "I'm just looking for a better life".
  112. @Anonymous
    Like the rest of the West, Iceland must be repopulated because they are bad and almost Nazis! And they want to ban circumcision!

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Fundamentally-Freund-Icelands-declaration-of-war-on-Judaism-543521

    Jerusalem Post

    Iceland's declaration of war on Judaism
    Iceland’s authorities might as well hang a large sign in the arrivals terminal at Reykjavik airport saying, “No Jews or Muslims allowed.”

    By Michael Freund
    February 24, 2018

    ...In 1853, Iceland’s parliament turned down a request by the king of Denmark to allow Jews to reside in the country. While this was reversed two years later, that was only because Iceland wanted to entice Jewish merchants to immigrate in order to boost the economy.

    Nearly a century later, in 1938, when Austrian Jews were trying to flee in the wake of the rise of Nazism, Iceland refused to allow them entry, callously leaving them to their fate.

    And as Dr. Vilhalmur Vilhalmsson noted in a comprehensive 2004 paper entitled, “Iceland, the Jews and anti-Semitism” published in Jewish Political Studies Review, “With regard to the Holocaust, Iceland is not a blank page.” There were Icelanders in the Waffen SS who fought for Germany, while others served in concentration camps; the son of Iceland’s first president was a member of the SS who escaped prosecution after the war. In his paper, Vilhalmsson also discloses that in the late 1930s, Icelandic officials went so far as to offer to pay the cost for the expulsion of Jews from its territory to Germany.
     

    This shit’s been going on since you know when.

    The Spanish Inquisition (William Thomas Walsh, Isabella of Spain, Sheed and Ward, 1935, pp. 258-249)


    In medieval Spain the Jews came nearer to building a New Jerusalem than at any time or place since their dispersion after the Crucifixion. Had they succeeded—and several times they came perilously near success—they might conceivably have managed, with Mohammedan aid, to destroy the Christian civilization of Europe...

    They were not at first persecuted by the Christians; but, after the discovery that they were plotting to bring the Arabs from Africa for the overthrow of the Gothic kingdom...

    That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain. In the invading army there were many African Jews. Everywhere the Spanish Jews opened the gates of cities to the conquerors, and the Moslems rewarded them by turning over to them the government of Granada, Seville and Cordoba. “Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,” says Amador de los Rios “they aspired only to' feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancour, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.”
     

    Replies: @Pericles, @Reg Cæsar

    Literally cries out as he strikes you.

  113. @Wilkey
    @JohnPlywood


    White Americans pretending like they were ever European by genetics or temperament is as rich as toffee.
     
    Oh, so you're a parody account. Thanks for finally telling me.

    As for the decline in murder rates, we have seen large declines before (the last time without much increase in diversity) as your own graph clearly shows. The changing age profile of the population, improvements in medical treatment of shooting victims (so that they don't become murder victims), better police tactics, a better understanding of criminal behavior, stricter or laxer penalties imposed by judges, legalized abortion, changing patterns of drug use, and even the elimination of lead additives in paint and gasoline - all of these could have had a major impact on overall murder rates.

    Hell, maybe it's just that so many people got air conditioning and decided to stay home rather than go out and kill people. It's easy to forget that 30 years ago there were still a lot of people out there with shitty or no air conditioning in their homes. Maybe murder rates declined because of the increasing use of CGI in movies? Netscape came out right at the same time as murder rates stopped dropping. Perhaps it was all the online porn that did it?

    To pick out one trend - the increasing diversity of the US populations - that simply happened to be occurring at the same time as the decline in murder rates and suggest that must have been the cause of that decline is absurd.

    Replies: @bomag

    Thanks.

    “Because of” and “in spite of” are distinctions lost on the trolls of the world.

    Modern interventions could well have driven native Icelandic murder rates to a statistical zero, but “diversity” has kept the rates afloat.

  114. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    – The Norsepersons who followed Ingolfur Anarson to Iceland (still reflected in the hymn) were dissenters who didn´t want to be subsumed when Harald Fairhair unified the realm i.e. they are a kind of Viking Amish – and still the only nation on earth to be democratically Christianized 😀
    They gathered on the Thingvellir (“field of assembly”, the world´s oldest still operative parliament) and let the missionary talk, then voted: Why the hell not, as long as baptism is only in the hot springs (!). As a side effect the pagan traditions were unbroken.

    – The Swedes got their danglings cut off by Peter the Great at Poltawa 1709, and have not regrown them since.

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
    @nokangaroos


    – The Swedes got their danglings cut off by Peter the Great at Poltawa 1709, and have not regrown them since.
     
    Poltava in 1708 in the Great Northern War.
    A story from Finland tells about a log floating in blood. Another tells how troopers lie bleeding in the mud while aristocratic officers clinked wine glasses in a tent with their Russian counterparts.
    A lesson for today?

    Replies: @nokangaroos

  115. @Dumbo
    Well no surprises... Albanian gangs are very common in many European countries and then there's Kosovo...

    I always found it tragically funny that the one new "independent country" that the Powers That Be managed to create was Kosovo... I mean, Catalonia, Euskadi, Quebec, even the Kurds had better claims. But nooo, let's create a Muslim narco-state in the middle of Europe.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @nokangaroos

    Albanian mercenaries (“Arnauts”) were the scourge of the Ottoman empire;
    not so different from their neighbours (but don´t tell either! 😛 ).

  116. @HammerJack
    @JohnnyWalker123

    They've doubled their immigrant cohort in less than a decade. Good thing they're learning from others' mistakes.

    Also, too many Filipinos. At least the Thai can make delicious restaurant meals.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Whenever I argue with anyone about immigration, one of my ground rules is that the word “restaurant” cannot be used.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  117. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni--Frid were trannies ... I'm not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIX8226rWQ

    Replies: @HammerJack, @JohnPlywood, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Curle, @Ganderson, @Cloudbuster

    Fun fact: Anna Frid is actually Norwegian- sort of; her dad was a German soldier. Mon thought it best to bring up the baby girl in a place that had not been occupied by the Nasties.

    • Replies: @Oikeamielinen
    @Ganderson


    Fun fact: Anna Frid is actually Norwegian- sort of; her dad was a German soldier. Mon thought it best to bring up the baby girl in a place that had not been occupied by the Nasties.
     
    You may be one of the Queer Communist Boys (QCB) with a twisted sense of history, or did I misunderstand.
    Anni-Frid was rescued to Sweden to save her from the brutality of Norwegian Communists in the post-war.
    Many of the Lebensborn children in Norway suffered maltreatment. Look it up.

    Replies: @Ganderson

  118. @AnotherDad
    Who in their right mind would invite Albanians to come?


    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation's people and culture and love "diversity" to go live in ... and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer--a noisy cancer--upon the West.

    Maybe we could buy someplace in Siberia from Putin? Or maybe we just designate Iceland and let the Icelanders settle wherever else they like. (Sacrifice one nation to save the rest.)

    Something.

    Replies: @Spangel12, @Hannah Katz, @Polistra, @S, @Mr. Peabody, @Whiskey

    Perhaps that was Trump’s plan with Greenland.

  119. @Juvenalis
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Vikings were a small group of seafaring explorers, some marauding pirates, who existed for ~150 years in Middle Ages c. 9th-10th centuries AD. Noble Savage-romanticized raiding, raping, pillaging Odin-worshiping pagan Vikings existed even less time. 'Tis an aberration historians still can't explain: why some restless men in south Scandinavia (in 9th century, Finno-Ugric tribes were still the main populations across virtually all Sweden except southern tip) suddenly started setting sail raiding all around; then just as abruptly Viking 'diaspora' quietly settled down in their new homelands. The word only a learned borrowing in 19th century English from Old Norse 'víkingr' as 'Vikings' experienced romanticist historical revival.

    Vikings were traveling seafarers, not sedentary in modern Scandinavian countries: descendants of Vikings can be found all across Europe whither they traveled/settled (sometimes in violent rapey fashion mixing with prior locals). By 11th century Vikings became Latin Christianized Normans who conquered and set up 'civilized' Christian kingdoms in England and Sicily; some Vikings settled Kiev—Kievan Rus—some became Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Romans, formed Varangian Guard at Hellenic Constantinople; some settled as Latin Roman Catholic Christians in Italy/Sicily in aforementioned Norman kingdoms. (Were the Normans still Vikings?)

    Under influence of mother Thjóðhildr, Leif Eriksson was Christian (to chagrin of father Erik the Red); the Norsemen who 'discovered' Vinland (now Newfoundland) had Latin-speaking Roman Catholic clergy on board their ships for Catholic Mass and rites. (Were these seafaring Norsemen still Vikings?)

    This silly widespread myth that Vikings were typical of what all or most people in modern Scandinavian countries were generally like for all or most of their history until now is as fictitious as horns on Viking helmets.

    (Also, Iceland is not technically Scandinavia—'tis an island settled by a variety of peoples in seas far off from the Scandinavian Peninsula. Like Finland, Iceland is more properly termed a Nordic country together with Sweden, Norway, Denmark.)

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @John Milton’s Ghost

    I was part of a group of foreign visitors given a tour of the Stockholm city hall building, which also happens to be the venue where the King of Sweden hands out the Nobel Prizes.

    Standing with his back to a statue of a female figure that would have made John Ashcroft blush, the personification of Stockholm much like the role of the Forward statue in Wisconsin, our guide explained, with the driest of a sense of Scandinavian humor, that the founding of Stockholm was marked by the “passage of a city ordinance outlawing rape.”

    Darn! We Vikings can no longer commit acts of rape within City Limits.

  120. @Polistra
    @Spangel12


    Let the open borders people have their own country.
     
    Yes, if only. They want what they want, so very badly, but it's us they want it for. They'll be safe in their various hideaways and besides, who can conceive of a billion anyway? (Matt Y, that's who.)


    https://i.ibb.co/4t90FTL/migrants-spain-ap.jpg

    These "Europe-Bound Migrants" were found in the trash in "Melilla Spain" (actually one of their foolish enclaves in Morocco) yesterday and actually the 'migrants' were attempting to spirit themselves across the border because apparently once you're in Melilla you're in the EU and all's fair.

    Anyway, how inhumane can you be not to realize that these poor desperate people need some of our stuff? We have more than enough to share, and they're superior to us anyway--ask Biden, or Mr. Plywood right here in this thread.

    Billions, you were saying? Billions? Someone else can worry about those. That'll be some other place, at some future date, perhaps. But most likely it's just white-supremacist propaganda. The important thing is that we help those in need, and feel good about ourselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgBENMSHr_s

    Replies: @Pericles, @Spangel12

    I’m happy to share wealth with the aspiring europeans as long as they are required to stay out of Europe.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Spangel12

    It's a good point. I'm sure many (by no means most) of us would be happy to share some of our filthy lucre with them on that basis. But it's not just our wealth they want--they want our countries.

    And the tiny religious minority we welcomed into our countries is going to see that they get it. They feel safer that way, which really should put paid to any notion that they're smart.

  121. @R.G. Camara
    @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Albanians have a reputation of being in organized crime, as much as many Italians are.

    Replies: @Gunnar von Cowtown

    So what?

    I will gladly trade Iceland any day. Their Albanians for any of our top 5 most troublesome minorities.

    You don’t think America gets the better of that deal?

  122. @JohnPlywood
    @Bill P

    No way dude, Icelandix are about 62-64% Irish maternally. They're only 36% Scandinavian maternally.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/6800661


    A further study suggests that Icelanders and Orkney Islanders have similar proportions of Scandinavian mtDNA ancestry (≈36%; Helgason et al, 2001)
     

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, that’s what I was saying.

    And I don’t think those two murderers were 100% Danish. I think they were mixed, probably Danish father (hence names) and Inuit mother.

  123. @Juvenalis
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Vikings were a small group of seafaring explorers, some marauding pirates, who existed for ~150 years in Middle Ages c. 9th-10th centuries AD. Noble Savage-romanticized raiding, raping, pillaging Odin-worshiping pagan Vikings existed even less time. 'Tis an aberration historians still can't explain: why some restless men in south Scandinavia (in 9th century, Finno-Ugric tribes were still the main populations across virtually all Sweden except southern tip) suddenly started setting sail raiding all around; then just as abruptly Viking 'diaspora' quietly settled down in their new homelands. The word only a learned borrowing in 19th century English from Old Norse 'víkingr' as 'Vikings' experienced romanticist historical revival.

    Vikings were traveling seafarers, not sedentary in modern Scandinavian countries: descendants of Vikings can be found all across Europe whither they traveled/settled (sometimes in violent rapey fashion mixing with prior locals). By 11th century Vikings became Latin Christianized Normans who conquered and set up 'civilized' Christian kingdoms in England and Sicily; some Vikings settled Kiev—Kievan Rus—some became Greek Orthodox Christian Byzantine Romans, formed Varangian Guard at Hellenic Constantinople; some settled as Latin Roman Catholic Christians in Italy/Sicily in aforementioned Norman kingdoms. (Were the Normans still Vikings?)

    Under influence of mother Thjóðhildr, Leif Eriksson was Christian (to chagrin of father Erik the Red); the Norsemen who 'discovered' Vinland (now Newfoundland) had Latin-speaking Roman Catholic clergy on board their ships for Catholic Mass and rites. (Were these seafaring Norsemen still Vikings?)

    This silly widespread myth that Vikings were typical of what all or most people in modern Scandinavian countries were generally like for all or most of their history until now is as fictitious as horns on Viking helmets.

    (Also, Iceland is not technically Scandinavia—'tis an island settled by a variety of peoples in seas far off from the Scandinavian Peninsula. Like Finland, Iceland is more properly termed a Nordic country together with Sweden, Norway, Denmark.)

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @John Milton’s Ghost

    All good information and perspective, thanks.

    In France there remains an association between Normans and blond hair (I.e. “she looks like a Norman”) , so there remains some genetic legacy there.

  124. @Paperback Writer
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    Icelandics are Scandinavian paternally and Scotland/Ireland maternally. But their peacefulness is environmental. Is it too hard to figure out?

    Replies: @Bill P, @John Milton’s Ghost

    I realize that people on this blog tend to be vilified for being curious and interested in forbidden topics, so some are defensive and quick to lash out. But I don’t know why your response merited the snark. If I wanted to write a book to fully explain what I do know and argue it wouldn’t be on a comments page.

  125. @Kent Nationalist
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD
     
    I am not anti-HBD, but the fact that a race of people famous for fighting (even amongst each other, as in the sagas) are now a mere few hundred years later one of the most peaceful seems prima facie like an anti-HBD argument

    Replies: @anon, @John Milton’s Ghost

    I should have said pro HBD particularly to the argument that populations can select very rapidly, with a few generations making a big difference. But yes I can also see skepticism with such evidence too.

  126. The article is written by Jelena Ciric – a Serbian immigrant to Iceland.

  127. @Pericles
    @Polistra



    These “Europe-Bound Migrants” were found in the trash in “Melilla Spain” (actually one of their foolish enclaves in Morocco) yesterday and actually the ‘migrants’ were attempting to spirit themselves across the border because apparently once you’re in Melilla you’re in the EU and all’s fair.

     

    The Spanish apparently realized early that leaving the other side of the Strait of Gibraltar as an invasion staging post for Moors was a bad idea.

    Migrants apparently try to storm the fenced-in enclaves every couple of years for the reason you mention, just seeking a better life maaan.

    Replies: @Neuday

    Migrants apparently try to storm the fenced-in enclaves every couple of years for the reason you mention, just seeking a better life maaan.

    Damn, I should’ve tried that euphemism back when I’d go to bars to find a girl. When she would ask why I chose that bar, known to be a bit of a meat market, I’d should’ve said, “I’m just looking for a better life”.

  128. @Colin Wright
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    '...Iceland’s small but fairly agreeable population was also excellent for conducting genetic studies, since they were fairly homogeneous...'

    There's an understatement. When I passed through there, they all looked vaguely like they were related.

    Given a population of a quarter of million and (I think) no significant inflow or outflow for a thousand years, they probably are.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Wielgus

    I believe the Black Death did not make its way to Iceland until 1410, over 60 years after it devastated continental Europe. Given the time lapse it may not even have been the same strain but it does emphasise the relative isolation of Iceland.

  129. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    “One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia”

    Stop wondering: the answer is yes. Having spent a few years in Denmark, ancestral home to some of the Viking kingdoms, and now home to the lovely young woman I sired on its soil, I can testify to the fact that 96% of Danish men are quasi-gay. Whilst in residence I was the toughest guy there. And I’m not that tough. But white American men get steamrolled everyday by blacks and dudes in wigs so who are we to brag about our testicles?

  130. @AnotherDad
    Who in their right mind would invite Albanians to come?


    Seriously, the sane people in the West should pull together and provide a territory for all the white people who are unhappy with their own nation's people and culture and love "diversity" to go live in ... and invite all the diversity they want.

    Those people are a cancer--a noisy cancer--upon the West.

    Maybe we could buy someplace in Siberia from Putin? Or maybe we just designate Iceland and let the Icelanders settle wherever else they like. (Sacrifice one nation to save the rest.)

    Something.

    Replies: @Spangel12, @Hannah Katz, @Polistra, @S, @Mr. Peabody, @Whiskey

    The word you are looking for is women. Women can’t get enough of violence, brutality, and more violence in men. Its why they reliably seek out the most brutal and violent. That this dude had an Icelandic Wife is no surprise.

    Compare say, Kevin Federline, with what, 12 kids now, to Bill Gates. With I think two. Money does not count as much as charisma and dominance and general thuggishness. This is why EVERY nation that has something is getting over-run with violent, dominant men.

    Think all those German men thought, wow look at all the violent jihadis fleeing the fall of the ISIS state in Syria. Lets have them here! Nope it was the women from Mutti Merkel on down. China has a colony of over 50,000 Africans in Southern China, who by rioting and violence FORCED the Chinese government to apologize and compensate them for being refused entry into shops and restaurants in Southern China during the height of Covid. Japan and South Korea have the same. In all cases its their women, who finding foreign men more violent and sexy, pulled strings to let them in.

    • LOL: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Whiskey

    '...In all cases its their women, who finding foreign men more violent and sexy, pulled strings to let them in.'

    It would seem Corvinus finds your paradigm disturbing.

    I think it's overwrought -- but worth taking into account. At the end of the day, women -- quite reasonably -- are going to want men who will stand up and fight.

  131. @JohnPlywood

    As for the decline in murder rates, we have seen large declines before (the last time without much increase in diversity) as your own graph clearly shows
     
    Yes, that was WW2 and the related deaths of +500,000 young American males.

    To pick out one trend – the increasing diversity of the US populations – that simply happened to be occurring at the same time as the decline in murder rates and suggest that must have been the cause of that decline is absurd.
     
    Well, white nationalists have said that America would become increasingly violent as it got less white. It hasn't. There's been a sustained decline in homicide rates since the diversity ramped up in the '90s. Diversity has been the single most profound change to American society since the '90s, so it's a good candidate.

    It was also predicted that the huge number of millennials coming of age in the 2000s would result in a crime increase, but there wasn't one. That diversity could accompany a crime decrease, despite a demographic situation in the 2000s that should have been conductive to crime, should be even more discouraging to white nationalist.

    Diversity seems to be the best candidate for the decrease in violence in our society since the '90s, along with gun control. I have no doubt that this will be endorsed by every echelon of higher education in the world, as the crime rate in America continues to decrease, so attempting to disagree with me is absolutely futile, and without foresight. The establishment will hammer it home that diversity decreased crime.

    Since the white trashtionalist crime argument is an utterly hopeless cause, it's advisable to stop beating a dead horse with this fantasy of accomplishing anything by trying to revive it. It was dead on arrival. The cops didn't care, judges didn't care, nobody cared.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Whiskey

    That comment is as dumb as thinking that Bill Gates forcing everyone but the elite to eat cockroaches and weeds is not going to provoke violent civil war.

    Crime is out of control, and is the prime reason places like San Francisco and New York are losing people to … Miami. Which might have high crime but have not abolished the cops and allows concealed carry. And crime is mostly just black people. No one wants to live among, or near them. And revealed preference shows that White liberals live in the most lily White places with as few blacks as possible. Vermont, the Hamptons, New Hampshire, are not known for the hoods. Or keeping it real.

    The real play is after all the Whites have emptied out in NYC and it turns into Detroit plus. The Chinese are buying up real estate cheap there. And with the Chinese take-over of America, will they tolerate blacks or will they simply put them in Uighur style concentration camps and have a kindler, gentler extermination? Judging by their ruthless history, I’d say the latter.

    Your fundamental failure is to think in one dimension. To avoid thinking of dynamic reactions, time, the other players (Mexico, China, Whites, the military) and the likely reactions, capacities, and organizational structures and resources of each group player.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Whiskey


    And revealed preference shows that White liberals live in the most lily White places with as few blacks as possible. Vermont, the Hamptons, New Hampshire, are not known for the hoods. Or keeping it real.
     
    "Speak like MLK, live like the KKK."

    SWPL hypocrisy really is an enormous problem for this country.
  132. @anon
    @Mark G.

    Björk Guðmundsdóttir may be part Sámi. They are a distinct Uralic people.

    Replies: @Oikeamielinen

    Uralic people? Who teaches you nonsense like that?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    @Oikeamielinen

    Don't mock the incontinent. ;-)

  133. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity

    I would guess that isolation and harsh conditions could drive barbarians to efficiently domesticate themselves with eg. excessive penal codes.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @jamie b.

    'I would guess that isolation and harsh conditions could drive barbarians to efficiently domesticate themselves with eg. excessive penal codes.'

    Maybe they always were peaceful -- among themselves.

    It's noticeable that there's an inverse correlation between domestic pacifism and external aggressiveness. Germans and Japanese both are very peaceful -- domestically. Conversely, the generally isolationist United States of our first one hundred and fifty years waged few wars in earnest against external enemies -- and settled its domestic disputes with everything up to cannon and machine guns.

    I always found the 'Everett Massacre' quintessentially American. It was 1909 and the International Workers of the World were coming to town. The only way into Everett then was by steamboat.

    So the local Chamber of Commerce set up a machine gun on the pier.

    But our army was smaller than that of Portugal.

  134. @Dr. X
    George Lincoln Rockwell's ex-wife was from Iceland and died there last year at the age of 90. Presumably his four children, who went to Iceland with their mother after her divorce from Rockwell, are still there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margr%C3%A9t_%C3%9E%C3%B3ra_Hallgr%C3%ADmsson

    Replies: @GeorgeGot

    One of George Lincoln Rockwell’s daughters, married an Asian (Japanese) guy and has 2 half-Asian children. Both of his grandchildren were pretty successful with one being a professional football / soccer player and the other being a TV newscaster.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhUeCNiWkAE0n1U?format=jpg&name=900×900
    From left to right : Rockwell’s half-Asian Grandson, Daughter, Ex-Wife’s 2nd husband, Ex-Wife

    Björgólfur Hideaki Takefusa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rg%C3%B3lfur_Hideaki_Takefusa

    • Thanks: Dr. X
  135. @RichardTaylor
    I wonder how brutal the old Vikings really were. Their modern day descendants in Scandinavia, Minnesota and I believe Iceland, sure don't seem like the types who go off on blood-drunk rampages.

    Replies: @Oikeamielinen

    A king of Norway took 6000 Varangians to Constantinople around a thousand years ago and left them there. Maybe that was the end of the Vikings. They were sold on to eastern lands and neutered.

    There is a recent DNA study of the so-called Vikings that indicates quite a cosmopolitan ethnic mix in them.

  136. @Muggles
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, absolutely correct.

    Today in fact I was pondering my list and realized Belushi was Albanian.

    Of course as noted elsewhere, Mother Theresa.

    I'm sure we're leaving others out. My apologies.

    Didn't an Albanian invent the light bulb?

    Replies: @black sea

    John Alite, former associate of the Gambino crime family and childhood friend of John Gotti Jr, is Albanian. Despite his friendship with Gotti, he was reputedly involved in a conspiracy to kill him.

    He seems to have lived a colorful life. He is of course now an author and motivational speaker, which is apparently a popular route for retired gangsters.

  137. Our police is quiet about the investigation. The Icelandic guy in custody is probably close to the top of the food chain in our illegal drug trade. He has been throwing lot of money around in the past without any signs of income. The word in the street is he is also a snitch for the police. The word got out (police report leaked on the web) and put him in bad position, and apparently someone had to die in retaliation. That’s the speculation at least.

    What is unusual about this murder is it’s the first in decades where someone is killed with a handgun. And with silencer to boot. Many of my fellow countrymen take this as a sign of loss of innocence, so to speak. We have plenty of rifles and shotguns, but gun ownership is all about hunting and sport. Very few handguns.

    The Albanians are mostly doorkeepers/working in nightclubs. How the got here I don’t know. But Iceland is part member of the E.U – so our borders are wide open to E.U. citizens. Albania isn’t (yet) member of the E.U so I am not sure how this works.

    Overall we have been very lucky with our immigrants, so far.

    I say to anyone who will listen – our tiny population is our biggest asset. Few will listen and more is supposedly always better

  138. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JohnPlywood

    Yeah, from the guy who thinks the ABBA singers Agnetha and Anni--Frid were trannies ... I'm not taking any more advice from you on women, Mr. Plywood.

    Mr. Plywood here says that white women are beasts. I told him that if these 2 below are beasts, than I am ready to reconsider beastiality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DIX8226rWQ

    Replies: @HammerJack, @JohnPlywood, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Curle, @Ganderson, @Cloudbuster

    Damn, those girls had some fine legs.

  139. @Jim Christian
    @neutral


    On top of that, do the media outlets that keep using this trick think everyone else is a complete moron and never notices
     
    When they say teens, youths or say nothing, it's blacks. Always.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    And when they say “yoots” they are Italian kids.

  140. “Diversity is strength” is UNFALSIFIABLE #2 –due to PC speech taboos

    https://sincerity.net/unfalsifiable-diversity/

    The creed of politically correct egalitarianism is recursively self perpetuating1 and can never be falsified2. Falsifiability–required by science, abhorred by PC 3

    Not permitted to point out failures of diversity
    “Diversity is strength” is unfalsifiable because of PC speech restrictions.

    It is totally taboo and verboten to even think:

    “it could be detrimental to import more Somalis into Finland, Sweden, Holland, Minneapolis. Somalis might have lower IQ, higher criminality and a dangerous Islamic Ideology bent on submission of non-Muslims”

    Note: it is not allowed to discuss any statement that alleges “minorities’” failures. For our discussion, at this point it is irrelevant if the statements about diversity failures are true or false.

    Continues at sincerity dot net’s link above

  141. You would think Iceland would look at Britain, France, Sweden and Germany and figure ou that diversity is not good and not encourage it

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @anon

    Iceland is incredibly pozzed. Like all wealthy, liberal areas, they don't (until now) suffer the consequences of their beliefs, because hardly anyone wants to immigrate to Iceland. But in the coming era, even the statistical margin of error will be enough to overcome their complete inability to deal with reality.

    Iceland is a place that has institutionalized the very worst of progressivism -- the traditional family is all but destroyed -- and manages to continue blithely on thinking it's doing great, because it is full of sweet, wonderful Icelandic people who could live under virtually any social or political institution and make it work, because they're just nice people.

    They're the human version of Dodos, and Third World immigrants are the cats.

    Replies: @niceland

  142. @Whiskey
    @JohnPlywood

    That comment is as dumb as thinking that Bill Gates forcing everyone but the elite to eat cockroaches and weeds is not going to provoke violent civil war.

    Crime is out of control, and is the prime reason places like San Francisco and New York are losing people to ... Miami. Which might have high crime but have not abolished the cops and allows concealed carry. And crime is mostly just black people. No one wants to live among, or near them. And revealed preference shows that White liberals live in the most lily White places with as few blacks as possible. Vermont, the Hamptons, New Hampshire, are not known for the hoods. Or keeping it real.

    The real play is after all the Whites have emptied out in NYC and it turns into Detroit plus. The Chinese are buying up real estate cheap there. And with the Chinese take-over of America, will they tolerate blacks or will they simply put them in Uighur style concentration camps and have a kindler, gentler extermination? Judging by their ruthless history, I'd say the latter.

    Your fundamental failure is to think in one dimension. To avoid thinking of dynamic reactions, time, the other players (Mexico, China, Whites, the military) and the likely reactions, capacities, and organizational structures and resources of each group player.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    And revealed preference shows that White liberals live in the most lily White places with as few blacks as possible. Vermont, the Hamptons, New Hampshire, are not known for the hoods. Or keeping it real.

    “Speak like MLK, live like the KKK.”

    SWPL hypocrisy really is an enormous problem for this country.

    • Agree: bomag
  143. • Troll: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Meanwhile, this is reality…
     
    Your links are depressing. In their coded language of the day, they indicate that little good is coming of the demographic change.

    After reporting that their successful efforts to build a nice place has encouraged demographic changing levels of immigration:


    Iceland tries to balance economic growth with preserving its culture and language
     
    So, a homogeneous, cooperative place built nice things; now modern communication and travel is on the way to subsuming the builders. Gee, where have we seen that before? Time to defend the borders and quit worshiping the GDP.

    The Reykjavik Metropolitan area continues to see increasing levels of petty crime and minor assaults directly connected to the increasing number of tourists it attracts. Reykjavik also has higher than average (for Iceland) reports of domestic violence, sexual assaults, automobile theft, vandalism, property damage, and other street crimes, which is typical for any large urban area. These numbers are still very low when compared to the United States or Europe. Police attribute most of these crimes to juvenile delinquents, drug users, immigrants, and tourists. According to the police, the rise in pickpocketing is a direct result of an influx of immigrants/asylum seekers coupled with the increasing presence of tourists.
     
    Sad.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  144. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    “Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.”

    There was never this paradise to begin with. Our human history is littered with “invading” and “inviting”.

    Besides, the last time I checked, Albanians are white. You know, on your side, aka good whites?

    Furthermore, were your ancestors “invited”, or did they simply “barge in”? Why should they have been allowed to the U.S. in the first place, and you get all the gimmedats and free stuff as a result of their hard work.

    You have to go back.

    • Troll: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Corvinus

    We white Americans go back to Europe?

    SIGN ME UP, RIGHT NOW

    Replies: @Corvinus

  145. @anon
    You would think Iceland would look at Britain, France, Sweden and Germany and figure ou that diversity is not good and not encourage it

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    Iceland is incredibly pozzed. Like all wealthy, liberal areas, they don’t (until now) suffer the consequences of their beliefs, because hardly anyone wants to immigrate to Iceland. But in the coming era, even the statistical margin of error will be enough to overcome their complete inability to deal with reality.

    Iceland is a place that has institutionalized the very worst of progressivism — the traditional family is all but destroyed — and manages to continue blithely on thinking it’s doing great, because it is full of sweet, wonderful Icelandic people who could live under virtually any social or political institution and make it work, because they’re just nice people.

    They’re the human version of Dodos, and Third World immigrants are the cats.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @niceland
    @Cloudbuster

    Actually Iceland has very strict immigration policy and almost all fugitives are sent back. Often against loud outcries from our SJW class. So it's almost impossible for third worlders to immigrate here. If memory serves me less than 50 people from the middle east came here during the fugitive crisis following the Syrian war when countries like Germany accepted million or more.

    However, our borders are open to EU citizens. Our SJW class is loud in our media, but it knows it has very limited support to open the borders among the public. And since our business class has easy access to cheap labor from Poland there is zero pressure to ease immigration policy to other parts of the world.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @JMcG

  146. @nokangaroos
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    - The Norsepersons who followed Ingolfur Anarson to Iceland (still reflected in the hymn) were dissenters who didn´t want to be subsumed when Harald Fairhair unified the realm i.e. they are a kind of Viking Amish - and still the only nation on earth to be democratically Christianized :D
    They gathered on the Thingvellir ("field of assembly", the world´s oldest still operative parliament) and let the missionary talk, then voted: Why the hell not, as long as baptism is only in the hot springs (!). As a side effect the pagan traditions were unbroken.

    - The Swedes got their danglings cut off by Peter the Great at Poltawa 1709, and have not regrown them since.

    Replies: @Oikeamielinen

    – The Swedes got their danglings cut off by Peter the Great at Poltawa 1709, and have not regrown them since.

    Poltava in 1708 in the Great Northern War.
    A story from Finland tells about a log floating in blood. Another tells how troopers lie bleeding in the mud while aristocratic officers clinked wine glasses in a tent with their Russian counterparts.
    A lesson for today?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @Oikeamielinen


    A lesson for today?
     
    More than one, definitely (and I brought it up a few times).
    But what I meant is the Swedes were the terror of Europe until after the 30 years´War
    (as everybody and his mama here has been rather ungracious regarding their manhood).

    Replies: @Wielgus

  147. @Bill P
    @Paperback Writer

    They are actually about 25% Scottish/Irish paternally (50% maternally). Quite a few founding males were from the British Isles.

    I think that's because it was common among Norse and Celtic chieftains to exchange young males from noble families as hostages to secure peace and forge alliances. The Celts in Iceland were not all slaves. Gaelic given names were fairly common amongst the literate class, probably because Irish were more literate than the Norse when Iceland was settled, and there were already Irish monks living there when the vikings found the place.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Philip Neal, @Tony

    Iceland was founded in 874 from Norway, then a land of small kings ruling areas the size of a county. One of them, King Harald Fairhair (Harald Harfagr), successfully unified the country into a centralised monarchy like Denmark and Sweden. His defeated opponents continued the war from the northern and western isles of Scotland and Ireland, and only left for Iceland, discovered by accident in 860, after Harald inflicted a naval defeat on them in 872. It is true that Norwegian Vikings were sometimes pirates, but it is untrue that the first Icelandic women were slaves acquired by raiding.

  148. @Ganderson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Fun fact: Anna Frid is actually Norwegian- sort of; her dad was a German soldier. Mon thought it best to bring up the baby girl in a place that had not been occupied by the Nasties.

    Replies: @Oikeamielinen

    Fun fact: Anna Frid is actually Norwegian- sort of; her dad was a German soldier. Mon thought it best to bring up the baby girl in a place that had not been occupied by the Nasties.

    You may be one of the Queer Communist Boys (QCB) with a twisted sense of history, or did I misunderstand.
    Anni-Frid was rescued to Sweden to save her from the brutality of Norwegian Communists in the post-war.
    Many of the Lebensborn children in Norway suffered maltreatment. Look it up.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Oikeamielinen

    I will, thanks.

  149. @Anon
    Albanians are whiter than Italians (especially southern ones), Greeks, Spaniards, or Portuguese. Genetically, I mean.
    Still, no reason to invite them to any country, even if many are perfectly fine fruit sellers, laborers, or ice cream shop owners...

    Replies: @Foreign Expert, @T.Chris

    A northern Italian woman told me that when southern Italian men come north to work in the factories they can’t get married. No northern woman will marry them. They have to marry Albanian woman.

    • Replies: @T.Chris
    @Foreign Expert

    If that ever even happens it's because of class not "race". Same reason coastal elite women wouldn't marry redneck men from Alabama.

    Northern and Southern Italians are obviously the same race:

    https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2017/05/genetically-southern-european.html

    http://italianthro.altervista.org/images/sicilians/composites.png

    http://italianthro.altervista.org/sicilians.html#looks

  150. @Rob McX
    @syonredux


    Speaking of diversity, the Dr Watson on the upcoming NETFLIX Sherlock Holmes show THE IRREGULARS is Black:
     
    The only people I can think of who'll never be played by black actors are Adolf Hitler and Albert Einstein.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    I would love to see a Chinese actor play MLK. A native American play Mandela.

  151. @Oikeamielinen
    @nokangaroos


    – The Swedes got their danglings cut off by Peter the Great at Poltawa 1709, and have not regrown them since.
     
    Poltava in 1708 in the Great Northern War.
    A story from Finland tells about a log floating in blood. Another tells how troopers lie bleeding in the mud while aristocratic officers clinked wine glasses in a tent with their Russian counterparts.
    A lesson for today?

    Replies: @nokangaroos

    A lesson for today?

    More than one, definitely (and I brought it up a few times).
    But what I meant is the Swedes were the terror of Europe until after the 30 years´War
    (as everybody and his mama here has been rather ungracious regarding their manhood).

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @nokangaroos

    The German name Schwedenschatz was supposed to be a legacy of mass rape by Swedish soldiers in the Thirty Years' War causing pregnancies, although apparently the name has different origins. But forcing people to drink dirty water or sewage water as a form of torture was called the "Swedish drink" and this does seem to be based on the behaviour of Swedish soldiers.

  152. @Cloudbuster
    @anon

    Iceland is incredibly pozzed. Like all wealthy, liberal areas, they don't (until now) suffer the consequences of their beliefs, because hardly anyone wants to immigrate to Iceland. But in the coming era, even the statistical margin of error will be enough to overcome their complete inability to deal with reality.

    Iceland is a place that has institutionalized the very worst of progressivism -- the traditional family is all but destroyed -- and manages to continue blithely on thinking it's doing great, because it is full of sweet, wonderful Icelandic people who could live under virtually any social or political institution and make it work, because they're just nice people.

    They're the human version of Dodos, and Third World immigrants are the cats.

    Replies: @niceland

    Actually Iceland has very strict immigration policy and almost all fugitives are sent back. Often against loud outcries from our SJW class. So it’s almost impossible for third worlders to immigrate here. If memory serves me less than 50 people from the middle east came here during the fugitive crisis following the Syrian war when countries like Germany accepted million or more.

    However, our borders are open to EU citizens. Our SJW class is loud in our media, but it knows it has very limited support to open the borders among the public. And since our business class has easy access to cheap labor from Poland there is zero pressure to ease immigration policy to other parts of the world.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @niceland

    However, our borders are open to EU citizens.

    And how will that work out when the most common name among newborn "EU citizens" is Mohammed?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @JMcG
    @niceland

    I’m very glad to hear that. If only Ireland had such a policy. They’re full steam ahead there.

  153. @niceland
    @Cloudbuster

    Actually Iceland has very strict immigration policy and almost all fugitives are sent back. Often against loud outcries from our SJW class. So it's almost impossible for third worlders to immigrate here. If memory serves me less than 50 people from the middle east came here during the fugitive crisis following the Syrian war when countries like Germany accepted million or more.

    However, our borders are open to EU citizens. Our SJW class is loud in our media, but it knows it has very limited support to open the borders among the public. And since our business class has easy access to cheap labor from Poland there is zero pressure to ease immigration policy to other parts of the world.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @JMcG

    However, our borders are open to EU citizens.

    And how will that work out when the most common name among newborn “EU citizens” is Mohammed?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Cloudbuster

    "And how will that work out when the most common name among newborn “EU citizens” is Mohammed?"

    The same way English names were "replaced" by German, Italian, and Pole names in the States. It's who we are.

  154. @Anon
    Albanians are whiter than Italians (especially southern ones), Greeks, Spaniards, or Portuguese. Genetically, I mean.
    Still, no reason to invite them to any country, even if many are perfectly fine fruit sellers, laborers, or ice cream shop owners...

    Replies: @Foreign Expert, @T.Chris

    Albanians are whiter than Italians (especially southern ones), Greeks, Spaniards, or Portuguese. Genetically, I mean.

    You obviously don’t know anything about genetics……

    https://racialreality.blogspot.com/2019/12/whos-really-more-european.html

  155. @Corvinus
    Ah, yes, Mr. Sailer, the obligatory overgeneralization post to sate the appetites of your paying crowd.

    Meanwhile, this is reality...

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/once-homogenous-tiny-iceland-opens-its-doors-immigrants

    https://www.osac.gov/Content/Report/1212e167-4d1e-47b6-9974-195ba55f2c43

    https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2019/12/02/more_than_50_000_immigrants_in_iceland/

    Replies: @bomag

    Meanwhile, this is reality…

    Your links are depressing. In their coded language of the day, they indicate that little good is coming of the demographic change.

    After reporting that their successful efforts to build a nice place has encouraged demographic changing levels of immigration:

    Iceland tries to balance economic growth with preserving its culture and language

    So, a homogeneous, cooperative place built nice things; now modern communication and travel is on the way to subsuming the builders. Gee, where have we seen that before? Time to defend the borders and quit worshiping the GDP.

    The Reykjavik Metropolitan area continues to see increasing levels of petty crime and minor assaults directly connected to the increasing number of tourists it attracts. Reykjavik also has higher than average (for Iceland) reports of domestic violence, sexual assaults, automobile theft, vandalism, property damage, and other street crimes, which is typical for any large urban area. These numbers are still very low when compared to the United States or Europe. Police attribute most of these crimes to juvenile delinquents, drug users, immigrants, and tourists. According to the police, the rise in pickpocketing is a direct result of an influx of immigrants/asylum seekers coupled with the increasing presence of tourists.

    Sad.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Your links are depressing. In their coded language of the day, they indicate that little good is coming of the demographic change."

    To the contrary, the links are a celebration. No coded language, just Almond Joy!

    "After reporting that their successful efforts to build a nice place has encouraged demographic changing levels of immigration"

    That "nice place" remains "nice". Remember, throughout human history people come from there to built a better there here.

    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum...

    "So, a homogeneous, cooperative place built nice things; now modern communication and travel is on the way to subsuming the builders. Gee, where have we seen that before? Time to defend the borders and quit worshiping the GDP."

    If that be the case, your own ancestors would have never been allowed here in the States. You have to go back.

    Replies: @bomag

  156. @anonymous
    John and Jim Belushi are my idea of who, what they look like Albanians.

    Kind of big....

    Rather swarthy in a Sicilian type of way.

    A gateway people - not really White Europeans, but not total Arab, Pakistani Muslims.

    More like swarthy Turks that go back and forth between Islam, POC and Europeans, Whites.

    At least John and Jim Belushi were funny on TV - not so their movies.

    Replies: @T.Chris

    A gateway people – not really White Europeans, but not total Arab, Pakistani Muslims.

    Just like you’re not really White European, but not total Asian, Siberian Mongol.

    https://racialreality.blogspot.com/2020/09/ancient-north-eurasians-from-siberia.html

  157. @Foreign Expert
    @Anon

    A northern Italian woman told me that when southern Italian men come north to work in the factories they can’t get married. No northern woman will marry them. They have to marry Albanian woman.

    Replies: @T.Chris

    If that ever even happens it’s because of class not “race”. Same reason coastal elite women wouldn’t marry redneck men from Alabama.

    Northern and Southern Italians are obviously the same race:

    https://italianthro.blogspot.com/2017/05/genetically-southern-european.html

    http://italianthro.altervista.org/sicilians.html#looks

  158. @nokangaroos
    @Oikeamielinen


    A lesson for today?
     
    More than one, definitely (and I brought it up a few times).
    But what I meant is the Swedes were the terror of Europe until after the 30 years´War
    (as everybody and his mama here has been rather ungracious regarding their manhood).

    Replies: @Wielgus

    The German name Schwedenschatz was supposed to be a legacy of mass rape by Swedish soldiers in the Thirty Years’ War causing pregnancies, although apparently the name has different origins. But forcing people to drink dirty water or sewage water as a form of torture was called the “Swedish drink” and this does seem to be based on the behaviour of Swedish soldiers.

  159. @niceland
    @Cloudbuster

    Actually Iceland has very strict immigration policy and almost all fugitives are sent back. Often against loud outcries from our SJW class. So it's almost impossible for third worlders to immigrate here. If memory serves me less than 50 people from the middle east came here during the fugitive crisis following the Syrian war when countries like Germany accepted million or more.

    However, our borders are open to EU citizens. Our SJW class is loud in our media, but it knows it has very limited support to open the borders among the public. And since our business class has easy access to cheap labor from Poland there is zero pressure to ease immigration policy to other parts of the world.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @JMcG

    I’m very glad to hear that. If only Ireland had such a policy. They’re full steam ahead there.

  160. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Say what you will about Albanians, but in the Bronx the local blegs and boricuas are scared shitless of them. They will do 10 years rather than rat, without a thought. The janitors in NYC are largely Albanian, so they have hundreds of places across the city in which to incinerate your corpse. I never felt safer than when my office faced a wall with a big double-headed eagle stenciled in it.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    The janitors in NYC are largely Albanian, so they have hundreds of places across the city in which to incinerate your corpse.

  161. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    The old Carmen Sandiego series from the 1990s was a fun goofy PBS show for kids. I cant imagine how Netflix has wokeraped it….

  162. @Oikeamielinen
    @Ganderson


    Fun fact: Anna Frid is actually Norwegian- sort of; her dad was a German soldier. Mon thought it best to bring up the baby girl in a place that had not been occupied by the Nasties.
     
    You may be one of the Queer Communist Boys (QCB) with a twisted sense of history, or did I misunderstand.
    Anni-Frid was rescued to Sweden to save her from the brutality of Norwegian Communists in the post-war.
    Many of the Lebensborn children in Norway suffered maltreatment. Look it up.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    I will, thanks.

  163. @Corvinus
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    "Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited."

    There was never this paradise to begin with. Our human history is littered with "invading" and "inviting".

    Besides, the last time I checked, Albanians are white. You know, on your side, aka good whites?

    Furthermore, were your ancestors "invited", or did they simply "barge in"? Why should they have been allowed to the U.S. in the first place, and you get all the gimmedats and free stuff as a result of their hard work.

    You have to go back.

    Replies: @Anon

    We white Americans go back to Europe?

    SIGN ME UP, RIGHT NOW

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anon

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVrEwCa8nSA

  164. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Meanwhile, this is reality…
     
    Your links are depressing. In their coded language of the day, they indicate that little good is coming of the demographic change.

    After reporting that their successful efforts to build a nice place has encouraged demographic changing levels of immigration:


    Iceland tries to balance economic growth with preserving its culture and language
     
    So, a homogeneous, cooperative place built nice things; now modern communication and travel is on the way to subsuming the builders. Gee, where have we seen that before? Time to defend the borders and quit worshiping the GDP.

    The Reykjavik Metropolitan area continues to see increasing levels of petty crime and minor assaults directly connected to the increasing number of tourists it attracts. Reykjavik also has higher than average (for Iceland) reports of domestic violence, sexual assaults, automobile theft, vandalism, property damage, and other street crimes, which is typical for any large urban area. These numbers are still very low when compared to the United States or Europe. Police attribute most of these crimes to juvenile delinquents, drug users, immigrants, and tourists. According to the police, the rise in pickpocketing is a direct result of an influx of immigrants/asylum seekers coupled with the increasing presence of tourists.
     
    Sad.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Your links are depressing. In their coded language of the day, they indicate that little good is coming of the demographic change.”

    To the contrary, the links are a celebration. No coded language, just Almond Joy!

    “After reporting that their successful efforts to build a nice place has encouraged demographic changing levels of immigration”

    That “nice place” remains “nice”. Remember, throughout human history people come from there to built a better there here.

    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum…

    “So, a homogeneous, cooperative place built nice things; now modern communication and travel is on the way to subsuming the builders. Gee, where have we seen that before? Time to defend the borders and quit worshiping the GDP.”

    If that be the case, your own ancestors would have never been allowed here in the States. You have to go back.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus

    Per your usual, you can't process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides.

    If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration.

    There can be two trends at the same time: improving social conditions, and mass immigration. Iceland should let improving social conditions roll on and enjoy the delta. Allowing themselves to be "occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees" just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta. Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories? What has Black African migration improved, except for a few stories? Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay. That's not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn't change the general lesson.


    If that be the case, your own ancestors would have never been allowed here in the States.
     
    You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders. That's how these things work. You don't invite invaders; you don't give them your stuff so they can harm you. Your replies here are a cope; you very much see the damage from mass immigration, but you cling to a hope that everything will work out okay because kum bay ya.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @anon

  165. @Anon
    @Corvinus

    We white Americans go back to Europe?

    SIGN ME UP, RIGHT NOW

    Replies: @Corvinus

  166. @obwandiyag
    Albanians are white. And yet you say they are very bad killer type people. How is this possible? Don't you believe your own principles?

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Perhaps the 60% (and that’s a very low estimate) of them that are Muslims factor into the equation..

  167. In the nuked version of my blog I wrote several years ago about a Kenyan couple who had ‘fled’ Italy for Iceland where they were immediately given refugee status. They professed the intention of having no fewer than twelve children. A geometric progression shows the catastrophic impact this one breeding pair would have on Iceland’s vulnerable demographics (population about 300,000, below-replacement birth rates). By the way the husband expressed absolute confidence in becoming President of Iceland one day! Who’s to say he’s wrong?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Irish Savant

    Hello! I miss your blog. I still have it on my favorites list.

  168. @John Milton’s Ghost
    My daughter religiously watches the Carmen Sandiego series on Netflix. When the crime capers moved to Iceland, they humorously showed an empty Reykjavik jail and a cop confused when confronted with a crime.

    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity, a huge argument for HBD, it seems. Either that or the Vikings were simply brutally efficient socialists who channeled their energies outward for a half millennium, then went inward? Whatever the case, no paradise lasts long when the rest of the world is invited.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Kyle, @Kent Nationalist, @Paperback Writer, @Juvenalis, @nokangaroos, @SunBakedSuburb, @jamie b., @Corvinus, @Neoconned, @Irish Savant

    Actually the genetic makeup of Icelanders is about 60% Viking, 40% Celtic.

  169. @Cloudbuster
    @niceland

    However, our borders are open to EU citizens.

    And how will that work out when the most common name among newborn "EU citizens" is Mohammed?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “And how will that work out when the most common name among newborn “EU citizens” is Mohammed?”

    The same way English names were “replaced” by German, Italian, and Pole names in the States. It’s who we are.

  170. @Irish Savant
    In the nuked version of my blog I wrote several years ago about a Kenyan couple who had 'fled' Italy for Iceland where they were immediately given refugee status. They professed the intention of having no fewer than twelve children. A geometric progression shows the catastrophic impact this one breeding pair would have on Iceland's vulnerable demographics (population about 300,000, below-replacement birth rates). By the way the husband expressed absolute confidence in becoming President of Iceland one day! Who's to say he's wrong?

    Replies: @JMcG

    Hello! I miss your blog. I still have it on my favorites list.

  171. @Anonymous
    Like the rest of the West, Iceland must be repopulated because they are bad and almost Nazis! And they want to ban circumcision!

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Fundamentally-Freund-Icelands-declaration-of-war-on-Judaism-543521

    Jerusalem Post

    Iceland's declaration of war on Judaism
    Iceland’s authorities might as well hang a large sign in the arrivals terminal at Reykjavik airport saying, “No Jews or Muslims allowed.”

    By Michael Freund
    February 24, 2018

    ...In 1853, Iceland’s parliament turned down a request by the king of Denmark to allow Jews to reside in the country. While this was reversed two years later, that was only because Iceland wanted to entice Jewish merchants to immigrate in order to boost the economy.

    Nearly a century later, in 1938, when Austrian Jews were trying to flee in the wake of the rise of Nazism, Iceland refused to allow them entry, callously leaving them to their fate.

    And as Dr. Vilhalmur Vilhalmsson noted in a comprehensive 2004 paper entitled, “Iceland, the Jews and anti-Semitism” published in Jewish Political Studies Review, “With regard to the Holocaust, Iceland is not a blank page.” There were Icelanders in the Waffen SS who fought for Germany, while others served in concentration camps; the son of Iceland’s first president was a member of the SS who escaped prosecution after the war. In his paper, Vilhalmsson also discloses that in the late 1930s, Icelandic officials went so far as to offer to pay the cost for the expulsion of Jews from its territory to Germany.
     

    This shit’s been going on since you know when.

    The Spanish Inquisition (William Thomas Walsh, Isabella of Spain, Sheed and Ward, 1935, pp. 258-249)


    In medieval Spain the Jews came nearer to building a New Jerusalem than at any time or place since their dispersion after the Crucifixion. Had they succeeded—and several times they came perilously near success—they might conceivably have managed, with Mohammedan aid, to destroy the Christian civilization of Europe...

    They were not at first persecuted by the Christians; but, after the discovery that they were plotting to bring the Arabs from Africa for the overthrow of the Gothic kingdom...

    That they played an important part in bringing the Saracens from Africa in 709 is certain. In the invading army there were many African Jews. Everywhere the Spanish Jews opened the gates of cities to the conquerors, and the Moslems rewarded them by turning over to them the government of Granada, Seville and Cordoba. “Without any love for the soil where they lived, without any of those affections that ennoble a people, and finally without sentiments of generosity,” says Amador de los Rios “they aspired only to' feed their avarice and to accomplish the ruin of the Goths; taking the opportunity to manifest their rancour, and boasting of the hatreds that they had hoarded up so many centuries.”
     

    Replies: @Pericles, @Reg Cæsar

    Iceland was a Danish protectorate at the time. Were they doing this because they liked the Germans, or because they resented the Danes?

  172. Cherokees have been enjoying the blessings of diversity for centuries. now they want their name back.

    Chief of Cherokee Nation Says ‘It’s Time’ for Jeep to Stop Using Name

    They can rename it the “Old Hickory”. Just as he’s coming off the $20.

    Equip it with five civilized drives.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Chief of Cherokee Nation Says ‘It’s Time’ for Jeep to Stop Using Name'

    Translation: 'Chief of Cherokee Nation wishes to open negotiations about size of payoff.'

    They don't call them one of the Five Civilized Tribes for nothing. Call your lawyers and start the talks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  173. @Spangel12
    @Polistra

    I’m happy to share wealth with the aspiring europeans as long as they are required to stay out of Europe.

    Replies: @Polistra

    It’s a good point. I’m sure many (by no means most) of us would be happy to share some of our filthy lucre with them on that basis. But it’s not just our wealth they want–they want our countries.

    And the tiny religious minority we welcomed into our countries is going to see that they get it. They feel safer that way, which really should put paid to any notion that they’re smart.

  174. @Whiskey
    @AnotherDad

    The word you are looking for is women. Women can't get enough of violence, brutality, and more violence in men. Its why they reliably seek out the most brutal and violent. That this dude had an Icelandic Wife is no surprise.

    Compare say, Kevin Federline, with what, 12 kids now, to Bill Gates. With I think two. Money does not count as much as charisma and dominance and general thuggishness. This is why EVERY nation that has something is getting over-run with violent, dominant men.

    Think all those German men thought, wow look at all the violent jihadis fleeing the fall of the ISIS state in Syria. Lets have them here! Nope it was the women from Mutti Merkel on down. China has a colony of over 50,000 Africans in Southern China, who by rioting and violence FORCED the Chinese government to apologize and compensate them for being refused entry into shops and restaurants in Southern China during the height of Covid. Japan and South Korea have the same. In all cases its their women, who finding foreign men more violent and sexy, pulled strings to let them in.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…In all cases its their women, who finding foreign men more violent and sexy, pulled strings to let them in.’

    It would seem Corvinus finds your paradigm disturbing.

    I think it’s overwrought — but worth taking into account. At the end of the day, women — quite reasonably — are going to want men who will stand up and fight.

  175. @Reg Cæsar
    Cherokees have been enjoying the blessings of diversity for centuries. now they want their name back.



    Chief of Cherokee Nation Says 'It's Time' for Jeep to Stop Using Name


    They can rename it the "Old Hickory". Just as he's coming off the $20.


    Equip it with five civilized drives.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Chief of Cherokee Nation Says ‘It’s Time’ for Jeep to Stop Using Name’

    Translation: ‘Chief of Cherokee Nation wishes to open negotiations about size of payoff.’

    They don’t call them one of the Five Civilized Tribes for nothing. Call your lawyers and start the talks.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Colin Wright

    It's not unreasonable for an Indian tribe to own the intellectual property rights to its tribe's name.

  176. @jamie b.
    @John Milton’s Ghost


    One wonders if all the Viking viciousness was bred and socialized out of Scandinavia in a matter of centuries by Christianity
     
    I would guess that isolation and harsh conditions could drive barbarians to efficiently domesticate themselves with eg. excessive penal codes.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘I would guess that isolation and harsh conditions could drive barbarians to efficiently domesticate themselves with eg. excessive penal codes.’

    Maybe they always were peaceful — among themselves.

    It’s noticeable that there’s an inverse correlation between domestic pacifism and external aggressiveness. Germans and Japanese both are very peaceful — domestically. Conversely, the generally isolationist United States of our first one hundred and fifty years waged few wars in earnest against external enemies — and settled its domestic disputes with everything up to cannon and machine guns.

    I always found the ‘Everett Massacre’ quintessentially American. It was 1909 and the International Workers of the World were coming to town. The only way into Everett then was by steamboat.

    So the local Chamber of Commerce set up a machine gun on the pier.

    But our army was smaller than that of Portugal.

  177. @Colin Wright
    @Reg Cæsar

    'Chief of Cherokee Nation Says ‘It’s Time’ for Jeep to Stop Using Name'

    Translation: 'Chief of Cherokee Nation wishes to open negotiations about size of payoff.'

    They don't call them one of the Five Civilized Tribes for nothing. Call your lawyers and start the talks.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    It’s not unreasonable for an Indian tribe to own the intellectual property rights to its tribe’s name.

  178. ‘It’s not unreasonable for an Indian tribe to own the intellectual property rights to its tribe’s name.’

    Quite right. But what about — say — Scandinavians and Vikings? The Catholic Church and Padres?

    Obviously, there’s a slippery slope here.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Colin Wright

    The name of federally recognized tribes is a limited list. I'd say give official tribes the rights to sell or lease the copyright on their names to marketers going forward for all new products and give current brand names like Jeep Cherokee 20 years to come to a deal with the tribes.

    Replies: @bomag

  179. @Colin Wright
    'It’s not unreasonable for an Indian tribe to own the intellectual property rights to its tribe’s name.'

    Quite right. But what about -- say -- Scandinavians and Vikings? The Catholic Church and Padres?

    Obviously, there's a slippery slope here.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The name of federally recognized tribes is a limited list. I’d say give official tribes the rights to sell or lease the copyright on their names to marketers going forward for all new products and give current brand names like Jeep Cherokee 20 years to come to a deal with the tribes.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Steve Sailer

    Seems it would run into public domain issues. Can the country of Columbia claim advertising proceeds from Columbian Coffee? Can the Amish and Hutterites copyright their monikers?

    I see where "Almost Amish" was copyrighted by an Amish woman, then the copyright sold to company that enforced it on various bake sales and fund raisers selling a style of quilt in Lancaster County PA. LOL.

  180. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Your links are depressing. In their coded language of the day, they indicate that little good is coming of the demographic change."

    To the contrary, the links are a celebration. No coded language, just Almond Joy!

    "After reporting that their successful efforts to build a nice place has encouraged demographic changing levels of immigration"

    That "nice place" remains "nice". Remember, throughout human history people come from there to built a better there here.

    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum...

    "So, a homogeneous, cooperative place built nice things; now modern communication and travel is on the way to subsuming the builders. Gee, where have we seen that before? Time to defend the borders and quit worshiping the GDP."

    If that be the case, your own ancestors would have never been allowed here in the States. You have to go back.

    Replies: @bomag

    Per your usual, you can’t process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides.

    If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration.

    There can be two trends at the same time: improving social conditions, and mass immigration. Iceland should let improving social conditions roll on and enjoy the delta. Allowing themselves to be “occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta. Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories? What has Black African migration improved, except for a few stories? Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay. That’s not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn’t change the general lesson.

    If that be the case, your own ancestors would have never been allowed here in the States.

    You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders. That’s how these things work. You don’t invite invaders; you don’t give them your stuff so they can harm you. Your replies here are a cope; you very much see the damage from mass immigration, but you cling to a hope that everything will work out okay because kum bay ya.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Per your usual, you can’t process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides."

    Project much?

    "If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration."

    It will be because the people there, natives and non-natives, work in concert with one another. That's how it works.

    "Allowing themselves to be “occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta."

    No, it is a conscious, rational decision on the part of Icelanders. Please cite for me where in Iceland that this "tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees" has been running roughshod over the Flóki's and Arnkatla's of the world.

    "Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories?"

    Didn't the WASPs make the same argument with your own ancestors?

    "Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay."

    So, magic dirt?

    "That’s not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn’t change the general lesson."

    No, the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out, and the general lesson is we are Mutts who ultimately find ways to not only get along, but thrive. It's who we are.

    "You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders."

    Except your ancestors WERE the same invaders that natives sought to keep out. Yet, today, you are able to sit on your high horse and exhort how newcomers are the ones with "foreign ideas" and "alien customs".

    "You don’t invite invaders; you don’t give them your stuff so they can harm you."

    Again, that's what the nativists said about your ancestors. So what exactly changed that they became "one of them"? Was it acceptance by nativists, or did your ancestors barge in, demand gimmedats and free stuff, and make a better there here over nativist objections?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @bomag

    , @anon
    @bomag

    Your replies here are a cope

    Coronavinus's replies are part of the Narrative. He's a stooge who sticks to the script he's been given.

  181. @Steve Sailer
    @Colin Wright

    The name of federally recognized tribes is a limited list. I'd say give official tribes the rights to sell or lease the copyright on their names to marketers going forward for all new products and give current brand names like Jeep Cherokee 20 years to come to a deal with the tribes.

    Replies: @bomag

    Seems it would run into public domain issues. Can the country of Columbia claim advertising proceeds from Columbian Coffee? Can the Amish and Hutterites copyright their monikers?

    I see where “Almost Amish” was copyrighted by an Amish woman, then the copyright sold to company that enforced it on various bake sales and fund raisers selling a style of quilt in Lancaster County PA. LOL.

  182. @Wade Hampton
    @ScarletNumber

    Chrome and beautiful women. Of course, we cannot pronounce their names. This one is Dajana Kllogjri.

    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/8774370/740full-dajana-kllogjri.jpg

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Muggles, @Irish Savant, @Irish Savant

    Actually the genetic makeup of Icelanders is about 60% Viking, 40% Celtic.

  183. @Wade Hampton
    @ScarletNumber

    Chrome and beautiful women. Of course, we cannot pronounce their names. This one is Dajana Kllogjri.

    https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/8774370/740full-dajana-kllogjri.jpg

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Muggles, @Irish Savant, @Irish Savant

    I’ve been to Albania and trust me, there might be two or three women in the whole country who look like her. Like claiming Halle Berry to be representative of black women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Irish Savant

    Halle Berry's only half black so that's a dumb comparison.

    Dajana Kllogjri is on the lighter side and hot because she's a model, but she's 100% Albanian and fits in with her people:

    https://www.listal.com/list/albanian-traditional-costumes

  184. @bomag
    @Corvinus

    Per your usual, you can't process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides.

    If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration.

    There can be two trends at the same time: improving social conditions, and mass immigration. Iceland should let improving social conditions roll on and enjoy the delta. Allowing themselves to be "occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees" just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta. Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories? What has Black African migration improved, except for a few stories? Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay. That's not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn't change the general lesson.


    If that be the case, your own ancestors would have never been allowed here in the States.
     
    You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders. That's how these things work. You don't invite invaders; you don't give them your stuff so they can harm you. Your replies here are a cope; you very much see the damage from mass immigration, but you cling to a hope that everything will work out okay because kum bay ya.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @anon

    “Per your usual, you can’t process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides.”

    Project much?

    “If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration.”

    It will be because the people there, natives and non-natives, work in concert with one another. That’s how it works.

    “Allowing themselves to be “occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta.”

    No, it is a conscious, rational decision on the part of Icelanders. Please cite for me where in Iceland that this “tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” has been running roughshod over the Flóki’s and Arnkatla’s of the world.

    “Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories?”

    Didn’t the WASPs make the same argument with your own ancestors?

    “Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay.”

    So, magic dirt?

    “That’s not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn’t change the general lesson.”

    No, the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out, and the general lesson is we are Mutts who ultimately find ways to not only get along, but thrive. It’s who we are.

    “You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders.”

    Except your ancestors WERE the same invaders that natives sought to keep out. Yet, today, you are able to sit on your high horse and exhort how newcomers are the ones with “foreign ideas” and “alien customs”.

    “You don’t invite invaders; you don’t give them your stuff so they can harm you.”

    Again, that’s what the nativists said about your ancestors. So what exactly changed that they became “one of them”? Was it acceptance by nativists, or did your ancestors barge in, demand gimmedats and free stuff, and make a better there here over nativist objections?

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Corvinus

    'No, the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out, and the general lesson is we are Mutts who ultimately find ways to not only get along, but thrive. It’s who we are.'

    This isn't at all true. The least diverse parts of the country are pretty consistently the most livable. The best of all are those odd patches where few have come in or out for the last hundred years.

    , @bomag
    @Corvinus


    It will be because the people there, natives and non-natives, work in concert with one another. That’s how it works.
     
    And if they don't; if they get Mohammad Atta on a plane; do they get their money back?

    No, it is a conscious, rational decision on the part of Icelanders.
     
    It's crowd sourced to their detriment.

    cite for me where in Iceland that this “tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” has been running roughshod...
     
    That was a satirical metaphor. But you want to play the game where one misstep on my part negates the whole position.

    Didn’t the WASPs make the same argument...?
     
    And they have been proven correct.

    the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out...
     
    For a brief period; followed by a long realization that we should have filled the ranks ourselves.

    Except your ancestors WERE the same invaders that natives sought to keep out. Yet, today, you are able to sit on your high horse and exhort how newcomers are the ones with “foreign ideas” and “alien customs”.
     
    Yes, that's the lesson: keep out invaders. I want to be the invader, not the invaded.

    that’s what the nativists said about your ancestors.
     
    And they were correct.

    So what exactly changed...?
     
    Nothing. It's just that now, I'm getting beaten because my cohorts are giving things away and not fighting for a future.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  185. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Per your usual, you can’t process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides."

    Project much?

    "If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration."

    It will be because the people there, natives and non-natives, work in concert with one another. That's how it works.

    "Allowing themselves to be “occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta."

    No, it is a conscious, rational decision on the part of Icelanders. Please cite for me where in Iceland that this "tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees" has been running roughshod over the Flóki's and Arnkatla's of the world.

    "Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories?"

    Didn't the WASPs make the same argument with your own ancestors?

    "Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay."

    So, magic dirt?

    "That’s not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn’t change the general lesson."

    No, the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out, and the general lesson is we are Mutts who ultimately find ways to not only get along, but thrive. It's who we are.

    "You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders."

    Except your ancestors WERE the same invaders that natives sought to keep out. Yet, today, you are able to sit on your high horse and exhort how newcomers are the ones with "foreign ideas" and "alien customs".

    "You don’t invite invaders; you don’t give them your stuff so they can harm you."

    Again, that's what the nativists said about your ancestors. So what exactly changed that they became "one of them"? Was it acceptance by nativists, or did your ancestors barge in, demand gimmedats and free stuff, and make a better there here over nativist objections?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @bomag

    ‘No, the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out, and the general lesson is we are Mutts who ultimately find ways to not only get along, but thrive. It’s who we are.’

    This isn’t at all true. The least diverse parts of the country are pretty consistently the most livable. The best of all are those odd patches where few have come in or out for the last hundred years.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  186. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Per your usual, you can’t process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides."

    Project much?

    "If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration."

    It will be because the people there, natives and non-natives, work in concert with one another. That's how it works.

    "Allowing themselves to be “occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta."

    No, it is a conscious, rational decision on the part of Icelanders. Please cite for me where in Iceland that this "tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees" has been running roughshod over the Flóki's and Arnkatla's of the world.

    "Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories?"

    Didn't the WASPs make the same argument with your own ancestors?

    "Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay."

    So, magic dirt?

    "That’s not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn’t change the general lesson."

    No, the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out, and the general lesson is we are Mutts who ultimately find ways to not only get along, but thrive. It's who we are.

    "You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders."

    Except your ancestors WERE the same invaders that natives sought to keep out. Yet, today, you are able to sit on your high horse and exhort how newcomers are the ones with "foreign ideas" and "alien customs".

    "You don’t invite invaders; you don’t give them your stuff so they can harm you."

    Again, that's what the nativists said about your ancestors. So what exactly changed that they became "one of them"? Was it acceptance by nativists, or did your ancestors barge in, demand gimmedats and free stuff, and make a better there here over nativist objections?

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @bomag

    It will be because the people there, natives and non-natives, work in concert with one another. That’s how it works.

    And if they don’t; if they get Mohammad Atta on a plane; do they get their money back?

    No, it is a conscious, rational decision on the part of Icelanders.

    It’s crowd sourced to their detriment.

    cite for me where in Iceland that this “tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” has been running roughshod…

    That was a satirical metaphor. But you want to play the game where one misstep on my part negates the whole position.

    Didn’t the WASPs make the same argument…?

    And they have been proven correct.

    the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out…

    For a brief period; followed by a long realization that we should have filled the ranks ourselves.

    Except your ancestors WERE the same invaders that natives sought to keep out. Yet, today, you are able to sit on your high horse and exhort how newcomers are the ones with “foreign ideas” and “alien customs”.

    Yes, that’s the lesson: keep out invaders. I want to be the invader, not the invaded.

    that’s what the nativists said about your ancestors.

    And they were correct.

    So what exactly changed…?

    Nothing. It’s just that now, I’m getting beaten because my cohorts are giving things away and not fighting for a future.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "And if they don’t; if they get Mohammad Atta on a plane; do they get their money back?"

    Wow, it's been a while since I've borne witness to the appeal to the extreme fallacy.

    "It’s crowd sourced to their detriment".

    According to Who/Whom?

    "And they have been proven correct".

    The WASPs have been proven WRONG. And how anti-white of you to deny entry of your own ancestors and fellow Europeans. Have you no sense of decency?

    "Nothing. It’s just that now, I’m getting beaten because my cohorts are giving things away and not fighting for a future."

    LOL, your ancestors (and you) were NEVER part of the cohort! You have the audacity to say that WASPs were right to deny whites like your ancestors opportunities here, then dare say you belong as their progeny. It doesn't work that way, friend. And perhaps "your cohorts" are fighting for a future, just one you personally disagree with.

    "Yes, that’s the lesson: keep out invaders. I want to be the invader, not the invaded."

    How double standard AND hypocritical for you say. Now you really have to go back!

    Replies: @bomag

  187. @bomag
    @Corvinus

    Per your usual, you can't process information; no understanding of survivorship bias; no understanding of mean, median, and mode; just repeat a set of bromides.

    If Iceland stays nice, it will be in spite of immigration, not because of immigration.

    There can be two trends at the same time: improving social conditions, and mass immigration. Iceland should let improving social conditions roll on and enjoy the delta. Allowing themselves to be "occupied permanently by a tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees" just to satisfy a Corvinus fever dream is a negative delta. Much such migration has been negative: what has Islam improved, except for a few stories? What has Black African migration improved, except for a few stories? Sure, Norwegians complained about Swedish immigrants, but it worked out okay. That's not a universal story, and just repeating the few cases that worked out doesn't change the general lesson.


    If that be the case, your own ancestors would have never been allowed here in the States.
     
    You grasp the point in an oblique way. My ancestors and I occupy a niche in the ecosystem; we defend it; we keep out invaders. That's how these things work. You don't invite invaders; you don't give them your stuff so they can harm you. Your replies here are a cope; you very much see the damage from mass immigration, but you cling to a hope that everything will work out okay because kum bay ya.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @anon

    Your replies here are a cope

    Coronavinus’s replies are part of the Narrative. He’s a stooge who sticks to the script he’s been given.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  188. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    It will be because the people there, natives and non-natives, work in concert with one another. That’s how it works.
     
    And if they don't; if they get Mohammad Atta on a plane; do they get their money back?

    No, it is a conscious, rational decision on the part of Icelanders.
     
    It's crowd sourced to their detriment.

    cite for me where in Iceland that this “tidal wave of sub-Saharan Muslim refugees” has been running roughshod...
     
    That was a satirical metaphor. But you want to play the game where one misstep on my part negates the whole position.

    Didn’t the WASPs make the same argument...?
     
    And they have been proven correct.

    the rule rather than the exception in America has been the cases have worked out...
     
    For a brief period; followed by a long realization that we should have filled the ranks ourselves.

    Except your ancestors WERE the same invaders that natives sought to keep out. Yet, today, you are able to sit on your high horse and exhort how newcomers are the ones with “foreign ideas” and “alien customs”.
     
    Yes, that's the lesson: keep out invaders. I want to be the invader, not the invaded.

    that’s what the nativists said about your ancestors.
     
    And they were correct.

    So what exactly changed...?
     
    Nothing. It's just that now, I'm getting beaten because my cohorts are giving things away and not fighting for a future.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “And if they don’t; if they get Mohammad Atta on a plane; do they get their money back?”

    Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve borne witness to the appeal to the extreme fallacy.

    “It’s crowd sourced to their detriment”.

    According to Who/Whom?

    “And they have been proven correct”.

    The WASPs have been proven WRONG. And how anti-white of you to deny entry of your own ancestors and fellow Europeans. Have you no sense of decency?

    “Nothing. It’s just that now, I’m getting beaten because my cohorts are giving things away and not fighting for a future.”

    LOL, your ancestors (and you) were NEVER part of the cohort! You have the audacity to say that WASPs were right to deny whites like your ancestors opportunities here, then dare say you belong as their progeny. It doesn’t work that way, friend. And perhaps “your cohorts” are fighting for a future, just one you personally disagree with.

    “Yes, that’s the lesson: keep out invaders. I want to be the invader, not the invaded.”

    How double standard AND hypocritical for you say. Now you really have to go back!

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve borne witness to the appeal to the extreme fallacy.
     
    Coming from you, pretty funny.

    Atta et al is very much part of our open borders mania. You can't deal with it, so you call it extreme, or a fallacy. Don't try again.


    According to Who/Whom?
     
    Anybody with eyes and a brain. My observations. Any unfiltered comment thread. You yourself have indicated reservations with mass immigration. It's common knowledge that majorities poll against it, but leadership pushes it anyway.

    The WASPs have been proven WRONG. And how anti-white of you to deny entry of your own ancestors and fellow Europeans. Have you no sense of decency?
     
    Well, yes, the WASPs have been proven wrong on many things. But part of humanity is moving around and pushing other people away, and WASPs did their part -- partly through advanced arts and science that, arguably, left the world better off in their wake. It's not like the current racial and ethnic groups now spreading around the world are going to leave anything better in their wake, or return the lands to previous owners.

    And perhaps “your cohorts” are fighting for a future, just one you personally disagree with.
     
    There's a lot at stake here. Just casting it as a personal disagreement disguises the importance.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  189. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "And if they don’t; if they get Mohammad Atta on a plane; do they get their money back?"

    Wow, it's been a while since I've borne witness to the appeal to the extreme fallacy.

    "It’s crowd sourced to their detriment".

    According to Who/Whom?

    "And they have been proven correct".

    The WASPs have been proven WRONG. And how anti-white of you to deny entry of your own ancestors and fellow Europeans. Have you no sense of decency?

    "Nothing. It’s just that now, I’m getting beaten because my cohorts are giving things away and not fighting for a future."

    LOL, your ancestors (and you) were NEVER part of the cohort! You have the audacity to say that WASPs were right to deny whites like your ancestors opportunities here, then dare say you belong as their progeny. It doesn't work that way, friend. And perhaps "your cohorts" are fighting for a future, just one you personally disagree with.

    "Yes, that’s the lesson: keep out invaders. I want to be the invader, not the invaded."

    How double standard AND hypocritical for you say. Now you really have to go back!

    Replies: @bomag

    Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve borne witness to the appeal to the extreme fallacy.

    Coming from you, pretty funny.

    Atta et al is very much part of our open borders mania. You can’t deal with it, so you call it extreme, or a fallacy. Don’t try again.

    According to Who/Whom?

    Anybody with eyes and a brain. My observations. Any unfiltered comment thread. You yourself have indicated reservations with mass immigration. It’s common knowledge that majorities poll against it, but leadership pushes it anyway.

    The WASPs have been proven WRONG. And how anti-white of you to deny entry of your own ancestors and fellow Europeans. Have you no sense of decency?

    Well, yes, the WASPs have been proven wrong on many things. But part of humanity is moving around and pushing other people away, and WASPs did their part — partly through advanced arts and science that, arguably, left the world better off in their wake. It’s not like the current racial and ethnic groups now spreading around the world are going to leave anything better in their wake, or return the lands to previous owners.

    And perhaps “your cohorts” are fighting for a future, just one you personally disagree with.

    There’s a lot at stake here. Just casting it as a personal disagreement disguises the importance.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Atta et al is very much part of our open borders mania. You can’t deal with it, so you call it extreme, or a fallacy. Don’t try again."

    To the contrary, you are the one who is not dealing with it very well, considering you selected the most extreme of cases to characterize all (or most) of that group as being radical, violent, etc.

    "My observations. Any unfiltered comment thread."

    So, your opinion.

    "You yourself have indicated reservations with mass immigration."

    Indeed.

    "It’s common knowledge that majorities poll against it, but leadership pushes it anyway."

    Sure. But you make it seem that the "wrong" immigrants are entering, when your own ancestors were also in that same category.

    "But part of humanity is moving around and pushing other people away, and WASPs did their par"

    You mean it was part of their inhumanity.

    "— partly through advanced arts and science that, arguably, left the world better off in their wake."

    And they owe their success to past civilizations.

    "It’s not like the current racial and ethnic groups now spreading around the world are going to leave anything better in their wake, or return the lands to previous owners."

    Of course they do, but I don't expect you to admit it.

    "There’s a lot at stake here. Just casting it as a personal disagreement disguises the importance."

    So, why are YOU able to lay claim to be one of U.S. when your own ancestors were considered by WASPs to be other than desirable?

    Replies: @bomag

  190. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve borne witness to the appeal to the extreme fallacy.
     
    Coming from you, pretty funny.

    Atta et al is very much part of our open borders mania. You can't deal with it, so you call it extreme, or a fallacy. Don't try again.


    According to Who/Whom?
     
    Anybody with eyes and a brain. My observations. Any unfiltered comment thread. You yourself have indicated reservations with mass immigration. It's common knowledge that majorities poll against it, but leadership pushes it anyway.

    The WASPs have been proven WRONG. And how anti-white of you to deny entry of your own ancestors and fellow Europeans. Have you no sense of decency?
     
    Well, yes, the WASPs have been proven wrong on many things. But part of humanity is moving around and pushing other people away, and WASPs did their part -- partly through advanced arts and science that, arguably, left the world better off in their wake. It's not like the current racial and ethnic groups now spreading around the world are going to leave anything better in their wake, or return the lands to previous owners.

    And perhaps “your cohorts” are fighting for a future, just one you personally disagree with.
     
    There's a lot at stake here. Just casting it as a personal disagreement disguises the importance.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Atta et al is very much part of our open borders mania. You can’t deal with it, so you call it extreme, or a fallacy. Don’t try again.”

    To the contrary, you are the one who is not dealing with it very well, considering you selected the most extreme of cases to characterize all (or most) of that group as being radical, violent, etc.

    “My observations. Any unfiltered comment thread.”

    So, your opinion.

    “You yourself have indicated reservations with mass immigration.”

    Indeed.

    “It’s common knowledge that majorities poll against it, but leadership pushes it anyway.”

    Sure. But you make it seem that the “wrong” immigrants are entering, when your own ancestors were also in that same category.

    “But part of humanity is moving around and pushing other people away, and WASPs did their par”

    You mean it was part of their inhumanity.

    “— partly through advanced arts and science that, arguably, left the world better off in their wake.”

    And they owe their success to past civilizations.

    “It’s not like the current racial and ethnic groups now spreading around the world are going to leave anything better in their wake, or return the lands to previous owners.”

    Of course they do, but I don’t expect you to admit it.

    “There’s a lot at stake here. Just casting it as a personal disagreement disguises the importance.”

    So, why are YOU able to lay claim to be one of U.S. when your own ancestors were considered by WASPs to be other than desirable?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    To the contrary, you are the one who is not dealing with it very well, considering you selected the most extreme of cases to characterize all (or most) of that group as being radical, violent, etc.
     
    I'm the one here who points out that we need to look at modal man; at median man; at average man. The average Norwegian and the average Somali are fine people; but over time, the difference adds up in determining the pleasantness of a society. So we should choose well which one to let into the country, or choose not to let someone in at all. We can't just be nicey-nice all the time and hope things work out.

    Yes, Atta is an extreme example, but there are others of negative marginal utility floating in alongside him. It is a reminder of the downside. Today, we get too much narrative of immigrant as all good, no downside.

    So, your opinion.
     
    Informed by fact. Reinforces the conclusion.

    But you make it seem that the “wrong” immigrants are entering, when your own ancestors were also in that same category.
     
    I don't understand the appeal of this argument: that since we are all immigrants, we are all flawed, we must thus let in all flawed immigrants. Somewhat akin to the nervous teenage girl who thinks that since she agreed to have sex with one boy, she must have sex with all boys. You are only here because your mother let a strange penis into her vagina, so therefore you must advocate for your mother to let any strange penis into her vagina. It is only fair! Mom shouldn't be a hypocrite, or have a double standard! This line of thinking ignores the scarcity value of the thing, the value of exclusivity.

    You mean it was part of their inhumanity.
     
    Ergo, all immigrants are inhumane.

    Of course they do...
     
    More of your kindergarten optimism. Maybe someday you will learn about negative numbers.

    So, why are YOU able to lay claim to be one of U.S. when your own ancestors were considered by WASPs to be other than desirable?
     
    You indicate that WASPs have a superior claim. Thank you very much. I keep telling people to get off my lawn. Please help me clear the rabble so me and mine can have a nice country again.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  191. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Atta et al is very much part of our open borders mania. You can’t deal with it, so you call it extreme, or a fallacy. Don’t try again."

    To the contrary, you are the one who is not dealing with it very well, considering you selected the most extreme of cases to characterize all (or most) of that group as being radical, violent, etc.

    "My observations. Any unfiltered comment thread."

    So, your opinion.

    "You yourself have indicated reservations with mass immigration."

    Indeed.

    "It’s common knowledge that majorities poll against it, but leadership pushes it anyway."

    Sure. But you make it seem that the "wrong" immigrants are entering, when your own ancestors were also in that same category.

    "But part of humanity is moving around and pushing other people away, and WASPs did their par"

    You mean it was part of their inhumanity.

    "— partly through advanced arts and science that, arguably, left the world better off in their wake."

    And they owe their success to past civilizations.

    "It’s not like the current racial and ethnic groups now spreading around the world are going to leave anything better in their wake, or return the lands to previous owners."

    Of course they do, but I don't expect you to admit it.

    "There’s a lot at stake here. Just casting it as a personal disagreement disguises the importance."

    So, why are YOU able to lay claim to be one of U.S. when your own ancestors were considered by WASPs to be other than desirable?

    Replies: @bomag

    To the contrary, you are the one who is not dealing with it very well, considering you selected the most extreme of cases to characterize all (or most) of that group as being radical, violent, etc.

    I’m the one here who points out that we need to look at modal man; at median man; at average man. The average Norwegian and the average Somali are fine people; but over time, the difference adds up in determining the pleasantness of a society. So we should choose well which one to let into the country, or choose not to let someone in at all. We can’t just be nicey-nice all the time and hope things work out.

    Yes, Atta is an extreme example, but there are others of negative marginal utility floating in alongside him. It is a reminder of the downside. Today, we get too much narrative of immigrant as all good, no downside.

    So, your opinion.

    Informed by fact. Reinforces the conclusion.

    But you make it seem that the “wrong” immigrants are entering, when your own ancestors were also in that same category.

    I don’t understand the appeal of this argument: that since we are all immigrants, we are all flawed, we must thus let in all flawed immigrants. Somewhat akin to the nervous teenage girl who thinks that since she agreed to have sex with one boy, she must have sex with all boys. You are only here because your mother let a strange penis into her vagina, so therefore you must advocate for your mother to let any strange penis into her vagina. It is only fair! Mom shouldn’t be a hypocrite, or have a double standard! This line of thinking ignores the scarcity value of the thing, the value of exclusivity.

    You mean it was part of their inhumanity.

    Ergo, all immigrants are inhumane.

    Of course they do…

    More of your kindergarten optimism. Maybe someday you will learn about negative numbers.

    So, why are YOU able to lay claim to be one of U.S. when your own ancestors were considered by WASPs to be other than desirable?

    You indicate that WASPs have a superior claim. Thank you very much. I keep telling people to get off my lawn. Please help me clear the rabble so me and mine can have a nice country again.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "I’m the one here who points out that we need to look at modal man; at median man; at average man."

    And that criteria is subjective, friend.

    "The average Norwegian and the average Somali are fine people; but over time, the difference adds up in determining the pleasantness of a society."

    In the same way your own ancestors were viewed by WASPs in the aggregate? What was their ethnicities? Were they deemed as being probable of being "unpleasant"? I would say yes, given your nature and behavior as displayed on this fine opinion webzine. You have to go back.

    Of course, you (and the WASPs) had wrongly assumed and calculated this "difference".

    "So we should choose well which one to let into the country, or choose not to let someone in at all."

    Which individual from each group, because each group is not as "bad" or "below" as you have been (mis)lead to believe.

    "We can’t just be nicey-nice all the time and hope things work out."

    Again, just like your ancestors?

    "Yes, Atta is an extreme example, but there are others of negative marginal utility floating in alongside him."

    Now you are changing the goalposts. Good to know. Besides, were not your own ancestors--praytell, what exactly were their ethnicities--deemed by WASPs as being "negative marginal utility"? So how did your own ancestors change this status, one that could NEVER be altered from the WASP point of view...magic dirt?

    "Informed by fact. Reinforces the conclusion."

    You mean informed by confirmation bias. Remember, not all opinions are equal in weight. Your conclusion does not offer an accurate picture.

    "I don’t understand the appeal of this argument: that since we are all immigrants, we are all flawed, we must thus let in all flawed immigrants."

    You created a straw man, as that is NOT my argument. We are all immigrants from different groups. We all have flaws as individuals. We decide to let individuals that meet certain standards, regardless of what group they belong to, while taking into account those flaws.

    "Ergo, all immigrants are inhumane."

    That is illogical [Spock brow].

    "More of your kindergarten optimism. Maybe someday you will learn about negative numbers."

    Right, YOU and YOUR ancestors contributed to those "negative numbers", according to WASP logic, provided their reasoning was on the mark back then. Do you not observe your own hypocrisy?

    "You indicate that WASPs have a superior claim. Thank you very much. I keep telling people to get off my lawn. Please help me clear the rabble so me and mine can have a nice country again."

    WASPs HAD a superior claim at that time based on their criteria. which your ancestors did not meet. Thus, your ancestors were invaders. That status did NOT change according to WASPs. So by extension--if WASPs were correct in their top genetic and social standing--YOU are an invader, and do not have legitimacy to declare "this is MY lawn" and "I want a nice country again", considering that YOUR KIND in the past, present, and future MADE it a shithole.

    That is exactly why you are a hypocrite and must go back. You do not lay claim to something that your ancestors assumed could become part of merely by arriving and seeking gimmedats and free stuff. Again, how did YOUR KIND become one of the WASPs, magic dirt?

  192. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    To the contrary, you are the one who is not dealing with it very well, considering you selected the most extreme of cases to characterize all (or most) of that group as being radical, violent, etc.
     
    I'm the one here who points out that we need to look at modal man; at median man; at average man. The average Norwegian and the average Somali are fine people; but over time, the difference adds up in determining the pleasantness of a society. So we should choose well which one to let into the country, or choose not to let someone in at all. We can't just be nicey-nice all the time and hope things work out.

    Yes, Atta is an extreme example, but there are others of negative marginal utility floating in alongside him. It is a reminder of the downside. Today, we get too much narrative of immigrant as all good, no downside.

    So, your opinion.
     
    Informed by fact. Reinforces the conclusion.

    But you make it seem that the “wrong” immigrants are entering, when your own ancestors were also in that same category.
     
    I don't understand the appeal of this argument: that since we are all immigrants, we are all flawed, we must thus let in all flawed immigrants. Somewhat akin to the nervous teenage girl who thinks that since she agreed to have sex with one boy, she must have sex with all boys. You are only here because your mother let a strange penis into her vagina, so therefore you must advocate for your mother to let any strange penis into her vagina. It is only fair! Mom shouldn't be a hypocrite, or have a double standard! This line of thinking ignores the scarcity value of the thing, the value of exclusivity.

    You mean it was part of their inhumanity.
     
    Ergo, all immigrants are inhumane.

    Of course they do...
     
    More of your kindergarten optimism. Maybe someday you will learn about negative numbers.

    So, why are YOU able to lay claim to be one of U.S. when your own ancestors were considered by WASPs to be other than desirable?
     
    You indicate that WASPs have a superior claim. Thank you very much. I keep telling people to get off my lawn. Please help me clear the rabble so me and mine can have a nice country again.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “I’m the one here who points out that we need to look at modal man; at median man; at average man.”

    And that criteria is subjective, friend.

    “The average Norwegian and the average Somali are fine people; but over time, the difference adds up in determining the pleasantness of a society.”

    In the same way your own ancestors were viewed by WASPs in the aggregate? What was their ethnicities? Were they deemed as being probable of being “unpleasant”? I would say yes, given your nature and behavior as displayed on this fine opinion webzine. You have to go back.

    Of course, you (and the WASPs) had wrongly assumed and calculated this “difference”.

    “So we should choose well which one to let into the country, or choose not to let someone in at all.”

    Which individual from each group, because each group is not as “bad” or “below” as you have been (mis)lead to believe.

    “We can’t just be nicey-nice all the time and hope things work out.”

    Again, just like your ancestors?

    “Yes, Atta is an extreme example, but there are others of negative marginal utility floating in alongside him.”

    Now you are changing the goalposts. Good to know. Besides, were not your own ancestors–praytell, what exactly were their ethnicities–deemed by WASPs as being “negative marginal utility”? So how did your own ancestors change this status, one that could NEVER be altered from the WASP point of view…magic dirt?

    “Informed by fact. Reinforces the conclusion.”

    You mean informed by confirmation bias. Remember, not all opinions are equal in weight. Your conclusion does not offer an accurate picture.

    “I don’t understand the appeal of this argument: that since we are all immigrants, we are all flawed, we must thus let in all flawed immigrants.”

    You created a straw man, as that is NOT my argument. We are all immigrants from different groups. We all have flaws as individuals. We decide to let individuals that meet certain standards, regardless of what group they belong to, while taking into account those flaws.

    “Ergo, all immigrants are inhumane.”

    That is illogical [Spock brow].

    “More of your kindergarten optimism. Maybe someday you will learn about negative numbers.”

    Right, YOU and YOUR ancestors contributed to those “negative numbers”, according to WASP logic, provided their reasoning was on the mark back then. Do you not observe your own hypocrisy?

    “You indicate that WASPs have a superior claim. Thank you very much. I keep telling people to get off my lawn. Please help me clear the rabble so me and mine can have a nice country again.”

    WASPs HAD a superior claim at that time based on their criteria. which your ancestors did not meet. Thus, your ancestors were invaders. That status did NOT change according to WASPs. So by extension–if WASPs were correct in their top genetic and social standing–YOU are an invader, and do not have legitimacy to declare “this is MY lawn” and “I want a nice country again”, considering that YOUR KIND in the past, present, and future MADE it a shithole.

    That is exactly why you are a hypocrite and must go back. You do not lay claim to something that your ancestors assumed could become part of merely by arriving and seeking gimmedats and free stuff. Again, how did YOUR KIND become one of the WASPs, magic dirt?

  193. @Bill P
    @Paperback Writer

    They are actually about 25% Scottish/Irish paternally (50% maternally). Quite a few founding males were from the British Isles.

    I think that's because it was common among Norse and Celtic chieftains to exchange young males from noble families as hostages to secure peace and forge alliances. The Celts in Iceland were not all slaves. Gaelic given names were fairly common amongst the literate class, probably because Irish were more literate than the Norse when Iceland was settled, and there were already Irish monks living there when the vikings found the place.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Philip Neal, @Tony

    So Iceland has a sizeable male population that is stubby.

  194. And that criteria is subjective, friend.

    We can measure things and observe things. I don’t see our current crop of immigrants building anything nicer than what is built by WASPs and their nearer kin.

    In the same way [others] were viewed by WASPs in the aggregate? What was their ethnicities? Were they deemed as being probable of being “unpleasant”?

    The WASPs should have pulled up the rope ladder and kept the tree house for themselves. We’d be a more pleasant country in the aggregate.

    You keep repeating this equivalency line while not engaging any of the discussion around it. America in the 1880s had the space and technology to absorb more people; bringing in Scandinavians and Teutons worked out good enough because they are near cousins and quickly assimilated. Today’s immigrants are closer along the spectrum towards conquerors that set up enclaves from which they attack with identity politics and such.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "We can measure things and observe things."

    In this case, through subjective criteria.

    "I don’t see our current crop of immigrants building anything nicer than what is built by WASPs and their nearer kin".

    What exactly is this "nearer kin", and is your ethnic backgrounds part of it? You've been slyly avoiding listing your exact heritage.

    "The WASPs should have pulled up the rope ladder and kept the tree house for themselves."

    It's not who we are. Besides, they had invaded the world and invited the world.

    "We’d be a more pleasant country in the aggregate."

    Again, your opinion.

    "You keep repeating this equivalency line while not engaging any of the discussion around it."

    Quite the contrary, I've more than offered substantial discourse in that regard.

    "America in the 1880s had the space and technology to absorb more people..."

    Except your ancestors were not part of that "people". You have to go back.

    "bringing in Scandinavians and Teutons worked out good enough because they are near cousins and quickly assimilated".

    Is this your ancestral claim?

    "Today’s immigrants are closer along the spectrum towards conquerors that set up enclaves from which they attack with identity politics and such."

    Says the old newcomer. Your own ancestors were also viewed in that fashion. Again, what changed...magic dirt?

    Replies: @bomag

  195. @bomag

    And that criteria is subjective, friend.
     
    We can measure things and observe things. I don't see our current crop of immigrants building anything nicer than what is built by WASPs and their nearer kin.

    In the same way [others] were viewed by WASPs in the aggregate? What was their ethnicities? Were they deemed as being probable of being “unpleasant”?
     
    The WASPs should have pulled up the rope ladder and kept the tree house for themselves. We'd be a more pleasant country in the aggregate.

    You keep repeating this equivalency line while not engaging any of the discussion around it. America in the 1880s had the space and technology to absorb more people; bringing in Scandinavians and Teutons worked out good enough because they are near cousins and quickly assimilated. Today's immigrants are closer along the spectrum towards conquerors that set up enclaves from which they attack with identity politics and such.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “We can measure things and observe things.”

    In this case, through subjective criteria.

    “I don’t see our current crop of immigrants building anything nicer than what is built by WASPs and their nearer kin”.

    What exactly is this “nearer kin”, and is your ethnic backgrounds part of it? You’ve been slyly avoiding listing your exact heritage.

    “The WASPs should have pulled up the rope ladder and kept the tree house for themselves.”

    It’s not who we are. Besides, they had invaded the world and invited the world.

    “We’d be a more pleasant country in the aggregate.”

    Again, your opinion.

    “You keep repeating this equivalency line while not engaging any of the discussion around it.”

    Quite the contrary, I’ve more than offered substantial discourse in that regard.

    “America in the 1880s had the space and technology to absorb more people…”

    Except your ancestors were not part of that “people”. You have to go back.

    “bringing in Scandinavians and Teutons worked out good enough because they are near cousins and quickly assimilated”.

    Is this your ancestral claim?

    “Today’s immigrants are closer along the spectrum towards conquerors that set up enclaves from which they attack with identity politics and such.”

    Says the old newcomer. Your own ancestors were also viewed in that fashion. Again, what changed…magic dirt?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    ...subjective criteria
     
    Plenty of objective criteria in there. And subjective doesn't mean the other alternatives have equal results in the long run.

    ...your exact heritage
     
    Does it matter? You'll just replace "WASP" with "indigenous natives" and repeat the same talking points.

    “The WASPs should have pulled up the rope ladder and kept the tree house for themselves.”

    It’s not who we are. Besides, they had invaded the world and invited the world.
     

    It's who we should have been. Inviting the world was a mistake. Note the suggestion that immigration is punishment for past transgressions: the mask is off.

    “We’d be a more pleasant country in the aggregate.”

    Again, your opinion.
     

    And your disagreement is an opinion, but I don't see you or anyone else moving away much to a non-WASP influenced country when they have the choice.

    It matters who immigrates to your country. Taking in Norwegians vs. Haitians makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That's plain stupid.

  196. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Irish Savant
    @Wade Hampton

    I've been to Albania and trust me, there might be two or three women in the whole country who look like her. Like claiming Halle Berry to be representative of black women.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Halle Berry’s only half black so that’s a dumb comparison.

    Dajana Kllogjri is on the lighter side and hot because she’s a model, but she’s 100% Albanian and fits in with her people:

    https://www.listal.com/list/albanian-traditional-costumes

  197. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "We can measure things and observe things."

    In this case, through subjective criteria.

    "I don’t see our current crop of immigrants building anything nicer than what is built by WASPs and their nearer kin".

    What exactly is this "nearer kin", and is your ethnic backgrounds part of it? You've been slyly avoiding listing your exact heritage.

    "The WASPs should have pulled up the rope ladder and kept the tree house for themselves."

    It's not who we are. Besides, they had invaded the world and invited the world.

    "We’d be a more pleasant country in the aggregate."

    Again, your opinion.

    "You keep repeating this equivalency line while not engaging any of the discussion around it."

    Quite the contrary, I've more than offered substantial discourse in that regard.

    "America in the 1880s had the space and technology to absorb more people..."

    Except your ancestors were not part of that "people". You have to go back.

    "bringing in Scandinavians and Teutons worked out good enough because they are near cousins and quickly assimilated".

    Is this your ancestral claim?

    "Today’s immigrants are closer along the spectrum towards conquerors that set up enclaves from which they attack with identity politics and such."

    Says the old newcomer. Your own ancestors were also viewed in that fashion. Again, what changed...magic dirt?

    Replies: @bomag

    …subjective criteria

    Plenty of objective criteria in there. And subjective doesn’t mean the other alternatives have equal results in the long run.

    …your exact heritage

    Does it matter? You’ll just replace “WASP” with “indigenous natives” and repeat the same talking points.

    “The WASPs should have pulled up the rope ladder and kept the tree house for themselves.”

    It’s not who we are. Besides, they had invaded the world and invited the world.

    It’s who we should have been. Inviting the world was a mistake. Note the suggestion that immigration is punishment for past transgressions: the mask is off.

    “We’d be a more pleasant country in the aggregate.”

    Again, your opinion.

    And your disagreement is an opinion, but I don’t see you or anyone else moving away much to a non-WASP influenced country when they have the choice.

    It matters who immigrates to your country. Taking in Norwegians vs. Haitians makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That’s plain stupid.

  198. “Plenty of objective criteria in there. And subjective doesn’t mean the other alternatives have equal results in the long run.”

    Not from the narrative you are trying to write. It’s called confirmation bias.

    “It’s who we should have been.”

    Except you NOT part of this “we”.

    “Inviting the world was a mistake.”

    Including your own ancestors? Praytell, what is their ethnic make-up?

    “Note the suggestion that immigration is punishment for past transgressions: the mask is off.”

    An assumption on your part.

    “It matters who immigrates to your country. Taking in Norwegians vs. Haitians makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That’s plain stupid.”

    It mattered to WASPs who immigrated to the country THEY built. Taking in English v. Polish, or Dutch vs. Slavs makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That’s plain stupid.

    Again, what exactly is this “nearer kin”, and is your ethnic backgrounds part of it? You’ve been slyly avoiding listing your exact heritage. Are you ashamed? Or, perhaps you are Jewish…

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Except you NOT part of this “we”.
     
    I very much am, but it doesn't matter. You allow WASPs the cred to limit immigration, then you extinguish it by announcing they gave up that concession by letting others in. So now we're supposed to take in anyone no matter what just to satisfy some hypothetical you keep autistically repeating.

    It mattered to WASPs who immigrated to the country THEY built. Taking in English v. Polish, or Dutch vs. Slavs makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That’s plain stupid.
     
    I'm the one saying there is a difference. There is a difference between the English and the Dutch. It is not that great when compared between the English and the Slavs, which is not that great a difference compared to sub Saharan Africans. And that difference might appear vanishingly small when we encounter aliens from the Andromeda galaxy.

    So if you have a country to fill, should one invite those from far or near? I say near. If you want far, good luck with that; but I want my money back when your plan doesn't work, so post a bond I can draw against for future damages.

    And when the country is full, we should be able to come together as one big WASPish clan to quit taking people on the lifeboat so at least those already in the boat can have a future.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  199. @Corvinus
    "Plenty of objective criteria in there. And subjective doesn’t mean the other alternatives have equal results in the long run."

    Not from the narrative you are trying to write. It's called confirmation bias.

    "It’s who we should have been."

    Except you NOT part of this "we".

    "Inviting the world was a mistake."

    Including your own ancestors? Praytell, what is their ethnic make-up?

    "Note the suggestion that immigration is punishment for past transgressions: the mask is off."

    An assumption on your part.

    "It matters who immigrates to your country. Taking in Norwegians vs. Haitians makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That’s plain stupid."

    It mattered to WASPs who immigrated to the country THEY built. Taking in English v. Polish, or Dutch vs. Slavs makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That's plain stupid.

    Again, what exactly is this “nearer kin”, and is your ethnic backgrounds part of it? You’ve been slyly avoiding listing your exact heritage. Are you ashamed? Or, perhaps you are Jewish...

    Replies: @bomag

    Except you NOT part of this “we”.

    I very much am, but it doesn’t matter. You allow WASPs the cred to limit immigration, then you extinguish it by announcing they gave up that concession by letting others in. So now we’re supposed to take in anyone no matter what just to satisfy some hypothetical you keep autistically repeating.

    It mattered to WASPs who immigrated to the country THEY built. Taking in English v. Polish, or Dutch vs. Slavs makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That’s plain stupid.

    I’m the one saying there is a difference. There is a difference between the English and the Dutch. It is not that great when compared between the English and the Slavs, which is not that great a difference compared to sub Saharan Africans. And that difference might appear vanishingly small when we encounter aliens from the Andromeda galaxy.

    So if you have a country to fill, should one invite those from far or near? I say near. If you want far, good luck with that; but I want my money back when your plan doesn’t work, so post a bond I can draw against for future damages.

    And when the country is full, we should be able to come together as one big WASPish clan to quit taking people on the lifeboat so at least those already in the boat can have a future.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "I very much am, but it doesn’t matter."

    No, you're not, and it does matter, as you once again evade from revealing exactly what are your ethnicities.

    "You allow WASPs the cred to limit immigration, then you extinguish it by announcing they gave up that concession by letting others in."

    They limited immigration to certain groups. There was no "extinguishing" or "concession".

    "So now we’re supposed to take in anyone no matter what just to satisfy some hypothetical you keep autistically repeating."

    No hypothetical, just fact. Limit immigration today? Yes. Prevent Kenyans, Guatamalans, and Kuwaitis? No. Why? Because they are the new newcomers, and the old newcomers--like your own ancestors who were that group previously--are employing the SAME reasons for keeping out "invaders".

    "I’m the one saying there is a difference. There is a difference between the English and the Dutch. It is not that great when compared between the English and the Slavs, which is not that great a difference compared to sub Saharan Africans."

    The difference between one's language and customs, but not the ability to live and assimilate as Americans. Of course, it was PERCEPTION and ASSUMPTION by WASPs that the divide between them and Slavs, Poles, and Italians was expansive.

    "So if you have a country to fill, should one invite those from far or near? I say near."

    Then, if that be the case, you have to go back.

    "And when the country is full, we should be able to come together as one big WASPish clan to quit taking people on the lifeboat so at least those already in the boat can have a future."

    Ah, yes, Looking Backward.

    https://library.osu.edu/site/cartoons/2017/10/04/new-exhibits-looking-backward-looking-forward-and-cartoon-couture/looking-backward-joseph-keppler/

    Replies: @bomag

  200. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Except you NOT part of this “we”.
     
    I very much am, but it doesn't matter. You allow WASPs the cred to limit immigration, then you extinguish it by announcing they gave up that concession by letting others in. So now we're supposed to take in anyone no matter what just to satisfy some hypothetical you keep autistically repeating.

    It mattered to WASPs who immigrated to the country THEY built. Taking in English v. Polish, or Dutch vs. Slavs makes a difference. You act like there is no difference. That’s plain stupid.
     
    I'm the one saying there is a difference. There is a difference between the English and the Dutch. It is not that great when compared between the English and the Slavs, which is not that great a difference compared to sub Saharan Africans. And that difference might appear vanishingly small when we encounter aliens from the Andromeda galaxy.

    So if you have a country to fill, should one invite those from far or near? I say near. If you want far, good luck with that; but I want my money back when your plan doesn't work, so post a bond I can draw against for future damages.

    And when the country is full, we should be able to come together as one big WASPish clan to quit taking people on the lifeboat so at least those already in the boat can have a future.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “I very much am, but it doesn’t matter.”

    No, you’re not, and it does matter, as you once again evade from revealing exactly what are your ethnicities.

    “You allow WASPs the cred to limit immigration, then you extinguish it by announcing they gave up that concession by letting others in.”

    They limited immigration to certain groups. There was no “extinguishing” or “concession”.

    “So now we’re supposed to take in anyone no matter what just to satisfy some hypothetical you keep autistically repeating.”

    No hypothetical, just fact. Limit immigration today? Yes. Prevent Kenyans, Guatamalans, and Kuwaitis? No. Why? Because they are the new newcomers, and the old newcomers–like your own ancestors who were that group previously–are employing the SAME reasons for keeping out “invaders”.

    “I’m the one saying there is a difference. There is a difference between the English and the Dutch. It is not that great when compared between the English and the Slavs, which is not that great a difference compared to sub Saharan Africans.”

    The difference between one’s language and customs, but not the ability to live and assimilate as Americans. Of course, it was PERCEPTION and ASSUMPTION by WASPs that the divide between them and Slavs, Poles, and Italians was expansive.

    “So if you have a country to fill, should one invite those from far or near? I say near.”

    Then, if that be the case, you have to go back.

    “And when the country is full, we should be able to come together as one big WASPish clan to quit taking people on the lifeboat so at least those already in the boat can have a future.”

    Ah, yes, Looking Backward.

    https://library.osu.edu/site/cartoons/2017/10/04/new-exhibits-looking-backward-looking-forward-and-cartoon-couture/looking-backward-joseph-keppler/

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    it [ethnicity] does matter
     
    Agree.

    They [WASPs] limited immigration to certain groups.
     
    You seem okay with that. Are you going to help me straighten things out?

    the old newcomers... are employing the SAME reasons for keeping out “invaders”.
     
    As they should. But I want you to spend some energy putting the WASPs back in demographic charge so I can enjoy some of the old good life.

    The difference between one’s language and customs, but not the ability to live and assimilate as Americans.
     
    Some groups work out better than others.

    Ah, yes, Looking Backward.
     
    Muhammed Atta on a plane.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  201. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "I very much am, but it doesn’t matter."

    No, you're not, and it does matter, as you once again evade from revealing exactly what are your ethnicities.

    "You allow WASPs the cred to limit immigration, then you extinguish it by announcing they gave up that concession by letting others in."

    They limited immigration to certain groups. There was no "extinguishing" or "concession".

    "So now we’re supposed to take in anyone no matter what just to satisfy some hypothetical you keep autistically repeating."

    No hypothetical, just fact. Limit immigration today? Yes. Prevent Kenyans, Guatamalans, and Kuwaitis? No. Why? Because they are the new newcomers, and the old newcomers--like your own ancestors who were that group previously--are employing the SAME reasons for keeping out "invaders".

    "I’m the one saying there is a difference. There is a difference between the English and the Dutch. It is not that great when compared between the English and the Slavs, which is not that great a difference compared to sub Saharan Africans."

    The difference between one's language and customs, but not the ability to live and assimilate as Americans. Of course, it was PERCEPTION and ASSUMPTION by WASPs that the divide between them and Slavs, Poles, and Italians was expansive.

    "So if you have a country to fill, should one invite those from far or near? I say near."

    Then, if that be the case, you have to go back.

    "And when the country is full, we should be able to come together as one big WASPish clan to quit taking people on the lifeboat so at least those already in the boat can have a future."

    Ah, yes, Looking Backward.

    https://library.osu.edu/site/cartoons/2017/10/04/new-exhibits-looking-backward-looking-forward-and-cartoon-couture/looking-backward-joseph-keppler/

    Replies: @bomag

    it [ethnicity] does matter

    Agree.

    They [WASPs] limited immigration to certain groups.

    You seem okay with that. Are you going to help me straighten things out?

    the old newcomers… are employing the SAME reasons for keeping out “invaders”.

    As they should. But I want you to spend some energy putting the WASPs back in demographic charge so I can enjoy some of the old good life.

    The difference between one’s language and customs, but not the ability to live and assimilate as Americans.

    Some groups work out better than others.

    Ah, yes, Looking Backward.

    Muhammed Atta on a plane.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    Ethnicity and race have little, if anything, if a person from said ethnicity and race is able to immerse themselves into the American body politic.

    "You seem okay with that. Are you going to help me straighten things out?"

    And they limited your ancestors, who barged in, and yet you claim to be one of U.S. It's patently hypocritical on your part, not to mention deeply suspicious you don't reference your own ethnic background. But, things have straightened out all right.

    "But I want you to spend some energy putting the WASPs back in demographic charge so I can enjoy some of the old good life."

    We do enjoy that old good life. And, of course, the WASPs lay charge that your own kin were part of those groups who sought to destroy that "old good life". But magic dirt, I take it, took care of all that, right?

    "Some groups work out better than others."

    That is other than accurate to say.

    "Muhammed Atta on a plane."

    I see you're going back to your appeal of extremes. It didn't work then, and it doesn't work now.

    Replies: @bomag

  202. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    it [ethnicity] does matter
     
    Agree.

    They [WASPs] limited immigration to certain groups.
     
    You seem okay with that. Are you going to help me straighten things out?

    the old newcomers... are employing the SAME reasons for keeping out “invaders”.
     
    As they should. But I want you to spend some energy putting the WASPs back in demographic charge so I can enjoy some of the old good life.

    The difference between one’s language and customs, but not the ability to live and assimilate as Americans.
     
    Some groups work out better than others.

    Ah, yes, Looking Backward.
     
    Muhammed Atta on a plane.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Ethnicity and race have little, if anything, if a person from said ethnicity and race is able to immerse themselves into the American body politic.

    “You seem okay with that. Are you going to help me straighten things out?”

    And they limited your ancestors, who barged in, and yet you claim to be one of U.S. It’s patently hypocritical on your part, not to mention deeply suspicious you don’t reference your own ethnic background. But, things have straightened out all right.

    “But I want you to spend some energy putting the WASPs back in demographic charge so I can enjoy some of the old good life.”

    We do enjoy that old good life. And, of course, the WASPs lay charge that your own kin were part of those groups who sought to destroy that “old good life”. But magic dirt, I take it, took care of all that, right?

    “Some groups work out better than others.”

    That is other than accurate to say.

    “Muhammed Atta on a plane.”

    I see you’re going back to your appeal of extremes. It didn’t work then, and it doesn’t work now.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    I see you’re going back to your appeal of extremes. It didn’t work then, and it doesn’t work now.
     
    Mohamed Atta is far more real than the cartoon you referenced.

    There are downsides to immigration; there are times to say "no". This gets lost in your wont to cast all immigration as an eventual good.

    Some groups work out better than others.
    That is other than accurate to say.
     
    People and groups of people carry a genetic heritage that redounds in multiple ways. To think otherwise is disingenuous. I seriously doubt you act otherwise.

    Ethnicity and race have little, if anything, if a person from said ethnicity and race is able to immerse themselves into the American body politic.
     
    "Is able" = problematic part.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  203. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    Ethnicity and race have little, if anything, if a person from said ethnicity and race is able to immerse themselves into the American body politic.

    "You seem okay with that. Are you going to help me straighten things out?"

    And they limited your ancestors, who barged in, and yet you claim to be one of U.S. It's patently hypocritical on your part, not to mention deeply suspicious you don't reference your own ethnic background. But, things have straightened out all right.

    "But I want you to spend some energy putting the WASPs back in demographic charge so I can enjoy some of the old good life."

    We do enjoy that old good life. And, of course, the WASPs lay charge that your own kin were part of those groups who sought to destroy that "old good life". But magic dirt, I take it, took care of all that, right?

    "Some groups work out better than others."

    That is other than accurate to say.

    "Muhammed Atta on a plane."

    I see you're going back to your appeal of extremes. It didn't work then, and it doesn't work now.

    Replies: @bomag

    I see you’re going back to your appeal of extremes. It didn’t work then, and it doesn’t work now.

    Mohamed Atta is far more real than the cartoon you referenced.

    There are downsides to immigration; there are times to say “no”. This gets lost in your wont to cast all immigration as an eventual good.

    Some groups work out better than others.
    That is other than accurate to say.

    People and groups of people carry a genetic heritage that redounds in multiple ways. To think otherwise is disingenuous. I seriously doubt you act otherwise.

    Ethnicity and race have little, if anything, if a person from said ethnicity and race is able to immerse themselves into the American body politic.

    “Is able” = problematic part.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Mohamed Atta is far more real than the cartoon you referenced."

    That would be a strawman on your part. I never directly nor indirectly made any characterization as you describe. Again, you are the one who is making the wild generalization.

    "People and groups of people carry a genetic heritage that redounds in multiple ways. To think otherwise is disingenuous. I seriously doubt you act otherwise."

    Like your inferior ancestors, who passed down their undesirable traits to you?

    Anyways, this "genetic heritage" argument is just a convenient way for the old newcomers to discount the new newcomers, given how the old newcomers had been characterized in a similar fashion.

    "This gets lost in your wont to cast all immigration as an eventual good"

    Another strawman on your part. Immigration has shown it can be an eventual good for the host nation and the individual.

    "“Is able” = problematic part."

    Not really.

    "There are downsides to immigration; there are times to say “no”."

    Like your undesirable ancestors? Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

  204. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    I see you’re going back to your appeal of extremes. It didn’t work then, and it doesn’t work now.
     
    Mohamed Atta is far more real than the cartoon you referenced.

    There are downsides to immigration; there are times to say "no". This gets lost in your wont to cast all immigration as an eventual good.

    Some groups work out better than others.
    That is other than accurate to say.
     
    People and groups of people carry a genetic heritage that redounds in multiple ways. To think otherwise is disingenuous. I seriously doubt you act otherwise.

    Ethnicity and race have little, if anything, if a person from said ethnicity and race is able to immerse themselves into the American body politic.
     
    "Is able" = problematic part.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Mohamed Atta is far more real than the cartoon you referenced.”

    That would be a strawman on your part. I never directly nor indirectly made any characterization as you describe. Again, you are the one who is making the wild generalization.

    “People and groups of people carry a genetic heritage that redounds in multiple ways. To think otherwise is disingenuous. I seriously doubt you act otherwise.”

    Like your inferior ancestors, who passed down their undesirable traits to you?

    Anyways, this “genetic heritage” argument is just a convenient way for the old newcomers to discount the new newcomers, given how the old newcomers had been characterized in a similar fashion.

    “This gets lost in your wont to cast all immigration as an eventual good”

    Another strawman on your part. Immigration has shown it can be an eventual good for the host nation and the individual.

    ““Is able” = problematic part.”

    Not really.

    “There are downsides to immigration; there are times to say “no”.”

    Like your undesirable ancestors? Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Immigration has shown it can be an eventual good for the host nation and the individual
     
    It can be? So you've found a few historical examples where you think it worked out, and now you prescribe it as a general good. Do you really think if we re-ran history with the US remaining 90%+ WASP, the country would be a worse place to live today?

    Things worked out here in spite of, not because of, immigration.

    It's not even clear things are going to work out with all this "diversity" we have to spend so much time honoring.

    Don't buy into the hype about immigration.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  205. • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/nytimesworld/status/1373263327971966976

    https://twitter.com/Vedurstofan/status/1373053130372493319
    https://twitter.com/Vedurstofan/status/1373058512553656321
    https://twitter.com/Vedurstofan/status/1373236776010194947

  206. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "Mohamed Atta is far more real than the cartoon you referenced."

    That would be a strawman on your part. I never directly nor indirectly made any characterization as you describe. Again, you are the one who is making the wild generalization.

    "People and groups of people carry a genetic heritage that redounds in multiple ways. To think otherwise is disingenuous. I seriously doubt you act otherwise."

    Like your inferior ancestors, who passed down their undesirable traits to you?

    Anyways, this "genetic heritage" argument is just a convenient way for the old newcomers to discount the new newcomers, given how the old newcomers had been characterized in a similar fashion.

    "This gets lost in your wont to cast all immigration as an eventual good"

    Another strawman on your part. Immigration has shown it can be an eventual good for the host nation and the individual.

    "“Is able” = problematic part."

    Not really.

    "There are downsides to immigration; there are times to say “no”."

    Like your undesirable ancestors? Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

    Immigration has shown it can be an eventual good for the host nation and the individual

    It can be? So you’ve found a few historical examples where you think it worked out, and now you prescribe it as a general good. Do you really think if we re-ran history with the US remaining 90%+ WASP, the country would be a worse place to live today?

    Things worked out here in spite of, not because of, immigration.

    It’s not even clear things are going to work out with all this “diversity” we have to spend so much time honoring.

    Don’t buy into the hype about immigration.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "It can be?"

    Yes, it can be proscribed as a general good.

    "So you’ve found a few historical examples where you think it worked out..."

    Many historical examples, including your own ancestors. Come again, what are their ethnicities?

    "Do you really think if we re-ran history with the US remaining 90%+ WASP, the country would be a worse place to live today?"

    Depends upon which type of WASPs. Depends upon the metrics for a "better place" compared to a "worse place". Remember, they invaded and invited the world, established chattel slavery in the "New World", engaged in imperialism for gimmedats and free stuff...

    "Things worked out here in spite of, not because of, immigration."

    No, things worked out BECAUSE of immigration. It's who we are. Just ask your own ancestors.

    "Don’t buy into the hype about immigration."

    LOL, says the beneficiary of one's own ancestors who came here unwashed and unwanted by WASPs! Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

  207. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Immigration has shown it can be an eventual good for the host nation and the individual
     
    It can be? So you've found a few historical examples where you think it worked out, and now you prescribe it as a general good. Do you really think if we re-ran history with the US remaining 90%+ WASP, the country would be a worse place to live today?

    Things worked out here in spite of, not because of, immigration.

    It's not even clear things are going to work out with all this "diversity" we have to spend so much time honoring.

    Don't buy into the hype about immigration.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “It can be?”

    Yes, it can be proscribed as a general good.

    “So you’ve found a few historical examples where you think it worked out…”

    Many historical examples, including your own ancestors. Come again, what are their ethnicities?

    “Do you really think if we re-ran history with the US remaining 90%+ WASP, the country would be a worse place to live today?”

    Depends upon which type of WASPs. Depends upon the metrics for a “better place” compared to a “worse place”. Remember, they invaded and invited the world, established chattel slavery in the “New World”, engaged in imperialism for gimmedats and free stuff…

    “Things worked out here in spite of, not because of, immigration.”

    No, things worked out BECAUSE of immigration. It’s who we are. Just ask your own ancestors.

    “Don’t buy into the hype about immigration.”

    LOL, says the beneficiary of one’s own ancestors who came here unwashed and unwanted by WASPs! Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Yes, it can be proscribed as a general good.
     
    And yet every country has restrictions on the practice. What does everyone know that you don't? And four lines down you launch into a "depends" equivocation that is, essentially, a case for limitation of the franchise.

    Immigration connotes an immersion in a culture; a joining. What we have into the US today is more akin to a US Treasury funded invasion. People come here to speak their own language; set up an ethnic enclave; get handed a smorgasbord of vouchers; and displace the people who built a nice place.


    Depends upon which type of WASPs. Depends upon the metrics for a “better place” compared to a “worse place”. Remember, they invaded and invited the world, established chattel slavery in the “New World”, engaged in imperialism for gimmedats and free stuff…
     
    Complete dodge of the question. Do you think any extant people were doing any better? If you had to parachute in from orbit, with only the ability to aim for a country based on ethnicity, are you going to aim for a WASP influenced place, or one of your favored African/Asian places?

    BTW, WASPs hewed a civilization out of wilderness; not much in the way of transfer payments from the locals.


    No, things worked out BECAUSE of immigration. It’s who we are.
     
    Hype. "Methinks though dost advocate too much." Immigration eventually ends; we get around to some version of New Mexico. Most of our societal advancement came during times of low immigration. Media is fond of pushing the immigrant hustle angle, but such hustle lasts for one generation, and then we're back to the mean achievement of the group.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  208. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "It can be?"

    Yes, it can be proscribed as a general good.

    "So you’ve found a few historical examples where you think it worked out..."

    Many historical examples, including your own ancestors. Come again, what are their ethnicities?

    "Do you really think if we re-ran history with the US remaining 90%+ WASP, the country would be a worse place to live today?"

    Depends upon which type of WASPs. Depends upon the metrics for a "better place" compared to a "worse place". Remember, they invaded and invited the world, established chattel slavery in the "New World", engaged in imperialism for gimmedats and free stuff...

    "Things worked out here in spite of, not because of, immigration."

    No, things worked out BECAUSE of immigration. It's who we are. Just ask your own ancestors.

    "Don’t buy into the hype about immigration."

    LOL, says the beneficiary of one's own ancestors who came here unwashed and unwanted by WASPs! Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

    Yes, it can be proscribed as a general good.

    And yet every country has restrictions on the practice. What does everyone know that you don’t? And four lines down you launch into a “depends” equivocation that is, essentially, a case for limitation of the franchise.

    Immigration connotes an immersion in a culture; a joining. What we have into the US today is more akin to a US Treasury funded invasion. People come here to speak their own language; set up an ethnic enclave; get handed a smorgasbord of vouchers; and displace the people who built a nice place.

    Depends upon which type of WASPs. Depends upon the metrics for a “better place” compared to a “worse place”. Remember, they invaded and invited the world, established chattel slavery in the “New World”, engaged in imperialism for gimmedats and free stuff…

    Complete dodge of the question. Do you think any extant people were doing any better? If you had to parachute in from orbit, with only the ability to aim for a country based on ethnicity, are you going to aim for a WASP influenced place, or one of your favored African/Asian places?

    BTW, WASPs hewed a civilization out of wilderness; not much in the way of transfer payments from the locals.

    No, things worked out BECAUSE of immigration. It’s who we are.

    Hype. “Methinks though dost advocate too much.” Immigration eventually ends; we get around to some version of New Mexico. Most of our societal advancement came during times of low immigration. Media is fond of pushing the immigrant hustle angle, but such hustle lasts for one generation, and then we’re back to the mean achievement of the group.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "And yet every country has restrictions on the practice."

    So does the U.S. It's just you prefer, as I would, the restrictions to be uniform and consistently put into practice, although we disagree as far as what are exactly those restrictions But that does not mean that Kenyans and Guatamalans are prohibited to become one of U.S. because they lack fundamental traits unique to whites or WASPs or certain European groups. Remember, your own ancestors were deemed to be inferior and thus incapable of assimilating. So, what changed, magic dirt?

    Once you are able to admit your own hypocrisy, you can advance to a much better place. Otherwise, you keep getting intellectually bludgeoned here on this fundamental fact.

    "And four lines down you launch into a “depends” equivocation that is, essentially, a case for limitation of the franchise."

    False conclusion on your part.

    "Immigration connotes an immersion in a culture; a joining."

    And that still happens, just like how it did "back in the day".

    "What we have into the US today is more akin to a US Treasury funded invasion. People come here to speak their own language; set up an ethnic enclave; get handed a smorgasbord of vouchers; and displace the people who built a nice place."

    Let's be more nuanced here. Feel free to challenge their findings with specific citations.

    https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aeri.20190079

    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/lboustan/files/aeri.20190079.pdf

    https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well

    "Do you think any extant people were doing any better? If you had to parachute in from orbit, with only the ability to aim for a country based on ethnicity, are you going to aim for a WASP influenced place, or one of your favored African/Asian places?"

    Not all countries were influenced by WASPs, nor were they entirely based on one ethnicity. The British are an amalgamation of Angles, Jutes, Britons, Romans, and Frisians. The French are a mixture of Ligurians, Greeks, Celts, Franks, and Normans. But, I'll play your silly game. I'm going back home to America, where our ethnicity is American. We are Mutts. Indeed, it was a country influenced at first by WASPs, and later on by non-WASPs. It's who we are.

    "BTW, WASPs hewed a civilization out of wilderness; not much in the way of transfer payments from the locals."

    Out of wilderness by way of seizing indigenous land, establishing slavery, and imperializing. Those were ENORMOUS subsidies.

    "Hype. “Methinks though dost advocate too much.” Immigration eventually ends; we get around to some version of New Mexico. Most of our societal advancement came during times of low immigration. Media is fond of pushing the immigrant hustle angle, but such hustle lasts for one generation, and then we’re back to the mean achievement of the group."

    Not hype, fact. Methinks though dost advocate too much. Immigration comes in waves and cycles. Most of our advancement--technological, political, social--came during times of high immigration. Indeed, immigrants hustled and bustled their way for not one, but several generations, which increases the mean achievement for the entire nation. Again, not hype, fact.


    Leland Stanford, President of Central Pacific Railroad, Speech to President Andrew Johnson, October 10, 1865--A large majority of the white laboring class on the Pacific Coast find more congenial [pleasant] employment in mining and agricultural pursuits, than in railroad work. [So] without the Chinese, it would be impossible to complete the western portion of this great national enterprise. As a class, they are patient, industrious, and economical, and soon become as efficient as white laborers.
     
    "Complete dodge of the question".

    LOL, no, I answered it. The one who is dodging is YOU. Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

  209. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Yes, it can be proscribed as a general good.
     
    And yet every country has restrictions on the practice. What does everyone know that you don't? And four lines down you launch into a "depends" equivocation that is, essentially, a case for limitation of the franchise.

    Immigration connotes an immersion in a culture; a joining. What we have into the US today is more akin to a US Treasury funded invasion. People come here to speak their own language; set up an ethnic enclave; get handed a smorgasbord of vouchers; and displace the people who built a nice place.


    Depends upon which type of WASPs. Depends upon the metrics for a “better place” compared to a “worse place”. Remember, they invaded and invited the world, established chattel slavery in the “New World”, engaged in imperialism for gimmedats and free stuff…
     
    Complete dodge of the question. Do you think any extant people were doing any better? If you had to parachute in from orbit, with only the ability to aim for a country based on ethnicity, are you going to aim for a WASP influenced place, or one of your favored African/Asian places?

    BTW, WASPs hewed a civilization out of wilderness; not much in the way of transfer payments from the locals.


    No, things worked out BECAUSE of immigration. It’s who we are.
     
    Hype. "Methinks though dost advocate too much." Immigration eventually ends; we get around to some version of New Mexico. Most of our societal advancement came during times of low immigration. Media is fond of pushing the immigrant hustle angle, but such hustle lasts for one generation, and then we're back to the mean achievement of the group.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “And yet every country has restrictions on the practice.”

    So does the U.S. It’s just you prefer, as I would, the restrictions to be uniform and consistently put into practice, although we disagree as far as what are exactly those restrictions But that does not mean that Kenyans and Guatamalans are prohibited to become one of U.S. because they lack fundamental traits unique to whites or WASPs or certain European groups. Remember, your own ancestors were deemed to be inferior and thus incapable of assimilating. So, what changed, magic dirt?

    Once you are able to admit your own hypocrisy, you can advance to a much better place. Otherwise, you keep getting intellectually bludgeoned here on this fundamental fact.

    “And four lines down you launch into a “depends” equivocation that is, essentially, a case for limitation of the franchise.”

    False conclusion on your part.

    “Immigration connotes an immersion in a culture; a joining.”

    And that still happens, just like how it did “back in the day”.

    “What we have into the US today is more akin to a US Treasury funded invasion. People come here to speak their own language; set up an ethnic enclave; get handed a smorgasbord of vouchers; and displace the people who built a nice place.”

    Let’s be more nuanced here. Feel free to challenge their findings with specific citations.

    https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aeri.20190079

    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/lboustan/files/aeri.20190079.pdf

    https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well

    “Do you think any extant people were doing any better? If you had to parachute in from orbit, with only the ability to aim for a country based on ethnicity, are you going to aim for a WASP influenced place, or one of your favored African/Asian places?”

    Not all countries were influenced by WASPs, nor were they entirely based on one ethnicity. The British are an amalgamation of Angles, Jutes, Britons, Romans, and Frisians. The French are a mixture of Ligurians, Greeks, Celts, Franks, and Normans. But, I’ll play your silly game. I’m going back home to America, where our ethnicity is American. We are Mutts. Indeed, it was a country influenced at first by WASPs, and later on by non-WASPs. It’s who we are.

    “BTW, WASPs hewed a civilization out of wilderness; not much in the way of transfer payments from the locals.”

    Out of wilderness by way of seizing indigenous land, establishing slavery, and imperializing. Those were ENORMOUS subsidies.

    “Hype. “Methinks though dost advocate too much.” Immigration eventually ends; we get around to some version of New Mexico. Most of our societal advancement came during times of low immigration. Media is fond of pushing the immigrant hustle angle, but such hustle lasts for one generation, and then we’re back to the mean achievement of the group.”

    Not hype, fact. Methinks though dost advocate too much. Immigration comes in waves and cycles. Most of our advancement–technological, political, social–came during times of high immigration. Indeed, immigrants hustled and bustled their way for not one, but several generations, which increases the mean achievement for the entire nation. Again, not hype, fact.

    Leland Stanford, President of Central Pacific Railroad, Speech to President Andrew Johnson, October 10, 1865–A large majority of the white laboring class on the Pacific Coast find more congenial [pleasant] employment in mining and agricultural pursuits, than in railroad work. [So] without the Chinese, it would be impossible to complete the western portion of this great national enterprise. As a class, they are patient, industrious, and economical, and soon become as efficient as white laborers.

    “Complete dodge of the question”.

    LOL, no, I answered it. The one who is dodging is YOU. Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    But that does not mean that Kenyans and Guatamalans are prohibited to become one of U.S. because they lack fundamental traits unique to whites or WASPs or certain European groups.
     
    It is easier to keep a civil society if the people in the society are closer in the characteristics that make a difference. It doesn't have to be about inferior/superior; having/lacking. It is just easier to keep things going with the natural cohesion of genetic similarity.

    Once you are able to admit your own hypocrisy...
     
    Why does hypocrisy come into this? When dealing with finite resources, one has to exclude people, in ways that can be cast as unfair. Must a company hire every qualified person that comes through the door? Must I invite everyone on the planet to one of my parties? Must a lifeboat take on all, to the point of the thing sinking and dooming everyone? Do you think the U.S. of A. has the resources to keep an unlimited number of people above a Nash equilibrium? Most of our institutional structures exist to limit a franchise.

    And that still happens, just like how it did “back in the day”.
     
    While the 9th circuit rules that California High Schools can ban the American flag so the surrender to a new demographic can continue.

    their findings...
     
    LOL, Corvinus links: you don't read them, and they often make the case for the other side.

    The first two links were for the same study in different formats, using given birth names as indicator of assimilation. Bleh, seems pretty weak.

    The third link was pretty dreary. Over half of Central American immigrants don't have jobs? Wow.
    After 30 years we see assimilation? Maybe the country itself is moving closer to them.

    My challenge? How about Robert Putnam. Also things like this, this, this.


    The British are an amalgamation of... The French are a mixture of...
     
    Continuum fallacy. Learn it; love it; live it.

    Out of wilderness by way of seizing indigenous land, establishing slavery, and imperializing. Those were ENORMOUS subsidies.
     
    Sounds like you are jealous.

    Another case of in spite of, not because of. Big slavers (Arabs and such) didn't leverage that into much general wealth. Colonial adventures were largely a net drain; just ask the Portuguese and Turks. The wealthy countries today are there from homegrown talent, internal markets, and competitive advantage trading. Sweden; Germany; China -- didn't get where they are with much help from immigrants. Seems you've joined a cult and want to spread the message.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  210. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "And yet every country has restrictions on the practice."

    So does the U.S. It's just you prefer, as I would, the restrictions to be uniform and consistently put into practice, although we disagree as far as what are exactly those restrictions But that does not mean that Kenyans and Guatamalans are prohibited to become one of U.S. because they lack fundamental traits unique to whites or WASPs or certain European groups. Remember, your own ancestors were deemed to be inferior and thus incapable of assimilating. So, what changed, magic dirt?

    Once you are able to admit your own hypocrisy, you can advance to a much better place. Otherwise, you keep getting intellectually bludgeoned here on this fundamental fact.

    "And four lines down you launch into a “depends” equivocation that is, essentially, a case for limitation of the franchise."

    False conclusion on your part.

    "Immigration connotes an immersion in a culture; a joining."

    And that still happens, just like how it did "back in the day".

    "What we have into the US today is more akin to a US Treasury funded invasion. People come here to speak their own language; set up an ethnic enclave; get handed a smorgasbord of vouchers; and displace the people who built a nice place."

    Let's be more nuanced here. Feel free to challenge their findings with specific citations.

    https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/aeri.20190079

    https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/lboustan/files/aeri.20190079.pdf

    https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well

    "Do you think any extant people were doing any better? If you had to parachute in from orbit, with only the ability to aim for a country based on ethnicity, are you going to aim for a WASP influenced place, or one of your favored African/Asian places?"

    Not all countries were influenced by WASPs, nor were they entirely based on one ethnicity. The British are an amalgamation of Angles, Jutes, Britons, Romans, and Frisians. The French are a mixture of Ligurians, Greeks, Celts, Franks, and Normans. But, I'll play your silly game. I'm going back home to America, where our ethnicity is American. We are Mutts. Indeed, it was a country influenced at first by WASPs, and later on by non-WASPs. It's who we are.

    "BTW, WASPs hewed a civilization out of wilderness; not much in the way of transfer payments from the locals."

    Out of wilderness by way of seizing indigenous land, establishing slavery, and imperializing. Those were ENORMOUS subsidies.

    "Hype. “Methinks though dost advocate too much.” Immigration eventually ends; we get around to some version of New Mexico. Most of our societal advancement came during times of low immigration. Media is fond of pushing the immigrant hustle angle, but such hustle lasts for one generation, and then we’re back to the mean achievement of the group."

    Not hype, fact. Methinks though dost advocate too much. Immigration comes in waves and cycles. Most of our advancement--technological, political, social--came during times of high immigration. Indeed, immigrants hustled and bustled their way for not one, but several generations, which increases the mean achievement for the entire nation. Again, not hype, fact.


    Leland Stanford, President of Central Pacific Railroad, Speech to President Andrew Johnson, October 10, 1865--A large majority of the white laboring class on the Pacific Coast find more congenial [pleasant] employment in mining and agricultural pursuits, than in railroad work. [So] without the Chinese, it would be impossible to complete the western portion of this great national enterprise. As a class, they are patient, industrious, and economical, and soon become as efficient as white laborers.
     
    "Complete dodge of the question".

    LOL, no, I answered it. The one who is dodging is YOU. Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

    But that does not mean that Kenyans and Guatamalans are prohibited to become one of U.S. because they lack fundamental traits unique to whites or WASPs or certain European groups.

    It is easier to keep a civil society if the people in the society are closer in the characteristics that make a difference. It doesn’t have to be about inferior/superior; having/lacking. It is just easier to keep things going with the natural cohesion of genetic similarity.

    Once you are able to admit your own hypocrisy…

    Why does hypocrisy come into this? When dealing with finite resources, one has to exclude people, in ways that can be cast as unfair. Must a company hire every qualified person that comes through the door? Must I invite everyone on the planet to one of my parties? Must a lifeboat take on all, to the point of the thing sinking and dooming everyone? Do you think the U.S. of A. has the resources to keep an unlimited number of people above a Nash equilibrium? Most of our institutional structures exist to limit a franchise.

    And that still happens, just like how it did “back in the day”.

    While the 9th circuit rules that California High Schools can ban the American flag so the surrender to a new demographic can continue.

    their findings…

    LOL, Corvinus links: you don’t read them, and they often make the case for the other side.

    The first two links were for the same study in different formats, using given birth names as indicator of assimilation. Bleh, seems pretty weak.

    The third link was pretty dreary. Over half of Central American immigrants don’t have jobs? Wow.
    After 30 years we see assimilation? Maybe the country itself is moving closer to them.

    My challenge? How about Robert Putnam. Also things like this, this, this.

    The British are an amalgamation of… The French are a mixture of…

    Continuum fallacy. Learn it; love it; live it.

    Out of wilderness by way of seizing indigenous land, establishing slavery, and imperializing. Those were ENORMOUS subsidies.

    Sounds like you are jealous.

    Another case of in spite of, not because of. Big slavers (Arabs and such) didn’t leverage that into much general wealth. Colonial adventures were largely a net drain; just ask the Portuguese and Turks. The wealthy countries today are there from homegrown talent, internal markets, and competitive advantage trading. Sweden; Germany; China — didn’t get where they are with much help from immigrants. Seems you’ve joined a cult and want to spread the message.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "It is easier to keep a civil society if the people in the society are closer in the characteristics that make a difference."

    Which the U.S. has done. Societies are other than static structures. They evolve their people evolve.

    "It is just easier to keep things going with the natural cohesion of genetic similarity."

    Nordic, Alpine, or Mediterranean? I make reference to Madison Grant (1917), who claimed the Nordics were out-bred by immigrant and "inferior" lower-class White racial stocks. More importantly, those groups were patently unqualified for the "Nordic political structure of the U.S." Grant's perception of non-Nordics is that they are utterly incapable of this "natural cohesion" despite all three groups having "genetic similarity". So, Nordic, Alpine, or Mediterranean?

    "While the 9th circuit rules that California High Schools can ban the American flag so the surrender to a new demographic can continue."

    LOL. no. Context and facts escape you.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/will-supreme-court-take-american-flag-ban-case

    In the decision, the Ninth Circuit upheld a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. The court essentially concluded that the “heckler’s veto” theory could be applied in the special context of K-12 schools: When there is reason to think that student speech would lead to violence against the speakers — and there had been threats of racial violence aimed at students who wore such shirts the year before — the speech can be restricted.

    "LOL, Corvinus links: you don’t read them"

    To the contrary, I vet all of my links.

    "and they often make the case for the other side."

    You're going to have do WAY better than that. Citations and evidence required here.

    "The first two links were for the same study in different formats, using given birth names as indicator of assimilation. Bleh, seems pretty weak."

    To the contrary, they make a strong case based on their statistics and reasoning. You're going to have demonstrate specifically how and why their arguments are "weak".

    "Why does hypocrisy come into this?"

    I've already addressed that point. You just continue to ignore its legitimacy.

    "My challenge? How about Robert Putnam."

    In the short term, he writes, there are clearly challenges, but over the long haul, he argues that diversity has a range of benefits for a society, and that the fragmentation and distrust can be overcome. It’s not an easy process, but in the end it’s “well worth the effort.’” He cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work. Putnam’s brief contends that the 2007 paper has been “twisted” to make a case against race-conscious admissions, asserting that, on the contrary, his “extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society.”


    I do need to step back a minute and say I think that the – it’s not merely a fact that America’s becoming more diverse. It’s a benefit. America will – all of us will, over the long run, benefit from being a more diverse, more heterogeneous place. Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average and they have better cuisine. And it’s just a more interesting place to live.”

    “So in the long run, waves of immigration like we’re going through now and that we’ve gone through in the past and increasing diversity is good for a society. But what we discovered in this research, somewhat to our surprise, was that in the short run the more ethnically diverse the neighborhood you live in, the more you – every – all of us tend to hunker down, to pull in. The more diverse – and when I say all of us, I mean all of us. I mean blacks and whites and Asians and Latinos, all of us. The more diverse the group around us, ethnically, in our neighborhood, the less we trust anybody, including people who look like us. Whites trust whites less. Blacks trust blacks less, in more diverse settings.
     
    "Colonial adventures were largely a net drain; just ask the Portuguese and Turks."

    I don't think the Turks are/were involved in colonialism the same way as Europeans.

    https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-seeks-to-strengthen-africa-relations-with-benevolence/a-56452857

    And, colonial adventures were overall a net positive for the aggressors through development of trade, infrastructure, mineral extraction, population pressure release points, etc.

    https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=232099087122075122118029078000127066097017010085053050121006126066073065099114101025006004049123024013001005072074112071007083058006064047010090118013116124022086047054036073108091093020000070069096078116014102101127099015067123104106088003019123094&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

    https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/this-economist-says-britain-took-away-usd-45-trillion-from-india-in-173-years/story/292352.html

    "The wealthy countries today are there from homegrown talent, internal markets, and competitive advantage trading."

    Another strawman on your part, as well as a red herring to boot.

    "Sweden; Germany; China — didn’t get where they are with much help from immigrants."

    Yet another strawman on your part, as well as a red herring to boot.

    "Continuum fallacy."

    LOL, now you're just grasping at straws. The British and French each consisted of the particular groups I listed.

    Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

  211. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    But that does not mean that Kenyans and Guatamalans are prohibited to become one of U.S. because they lack fundamental traits unique to whites or WASPs or certain European groups.
     
    It is easier to keep a civil society if the people in the society are closer in the characteristics that make a difference. It doesn't have to be about inferior/superior; having/lacking. It is just easier to keep things going with the natural cohesion of genetic similarity.

    Once you are able to admit your own hypocrisy...
     
    Why does hypocrisy come into this? When dealing with finite resources, one has to exclude people, in ways that can be cast as unfair. Must a company hire every qualified person that comes through the door? Must I invite everyone on the planet to one of my parties? Must a lifeboat take on all, to the point of the thing sinking and dooming everyone? Do you think the U.S. of A. has the resources to keep an unlimited number of people above a Nash equilibrium? Most of our institutional structures exist to limit a franchise.

    And that still happens, just like how it did “back in the day”.
     
    While the 9th circuit rules that California High Schools can ban the American flag so the surrender to a new demographic can continue.

    their findings...
     
    LOL, Corvinus links: you don't read them, and they often make the case for the other side.

    The first two links were for the same study in different formats, using given birth names as indicator of assimilation. Bleh, seems pretty weak.

    The third link was pretty dreary. Over half of Central American immigrants don't have jobs? Wow.
    After 30 years we see assimilation? Maybe the country itself is moving closer to them.

    My challenge? How about Robert Putnam. Also things like this, this, this.


    The British are an amalgamation of... The French are a mixture of...
     
    Continuum fallacy. Learn it; love it; live it.

    Out of wilderness by way of seizing indigenous land, establishing slavery, and imperializing. Those were ENORMOUS subsidies.
     
    Sounds like you are jealous.

    Another case of in spite of, not because of. Big slavers (Arabs and such) didn't leverage that into much general wealth. Colonial adventures were largely a net drain; just ask the Portuguese and Turks. The wealthy countries today are there from homegrown talent, internal markets, and competitive advantage trading. Sweden; Germany; China -- didn't get where they are with much help from immigrants. Seems you've joined a cult and want to spread the message.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “It is easier to keep a civil society if the people in the society are closer in the characteristics that make a difference.”

    Which the U.S. has done. Societies are other than static structures. They evolve their people evolve.

    “It is just easier to keep things going with the natural cohesion of genetic similarity.”

    Nordic, Alpine, or Mediterranean? I make reference to Madison Grant (1917), who claimed the Nordics were out-bred by immigrant and “inferior” lower-class White racial stocks. More importantly, those groups were patently unqualified for the “Nordic political structure of the U.S.” Grant’s perception of non-Nordics is that they are utterly incapable of this “natural cohesion” despite all three groups having “genetic similarity”. So, Nordic, Alpine, or Mediterranean?

    “While the 9th circuit rules that California High Schools can ban the American flag so the surrender to a new demographic can continue.”

    LOL. no. Context and facts escape you.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/will-supreme-court-take-american-flag-ban-case

    In the decision, the Ninth Circuit upheld a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. The court essentially concluded that the “heckler’s veto” theory could be applied in the special context of K-12 schools: When there is reason to think that student speech would lead to violence against the speakers — and there had been threats of racial violence aimed at students who wore such shirts the year before — the speech can be restricted.

    “LOL, Corvinus links: you don’t read them”

    To the contrary, I vet all of my links.

    “and they often make the case for the other side.”

    You’re going to have do WAY better than that. Citations and evidence required here.

    “The first two links were for the same study in different formats, using given birth names as indicator of assimilation. Bleh, seems pretty weak.”

    To the contrary, they make a strong case based on their statistics and reasoning. You’re going to have demonstrate specifically how and why their arguments are “weak”.

    “Why does hypocrisy come into this?”

    I’ve already addressed that point. You just continue to ignore its legitimacy.

    “My challenge? How about Robert Putnam.”

    In the short term, he writes, there are clearly challenges, but over the long haul, he argues that diversity has a range of benefits for a society, and that the fragmentation and distrust can be overcome. It’s not an easy process, but in the end it’s “well worth the effort.’” He cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work. Putnam’s brief contends that the 2007 paper has been “twisted” to make a case against race-conscious admissions, asserting that, on the contrary, his “extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society.”

    I do need to step back a minute and say I think that the – it’s not merely a fact that America’s becoming more diverse. It’s a benefit. America will – all of us will, over the long run, benefit from being a more diverse, more heterogeneous place. Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average and they have better cuisine. And it’s just a more interesting place to live.”

    “So in the long run, waves of immigration like we’re going through now and that we’ve gone through in the past and increasing diversity is good for a society. But what we discovered in this research, somewhat to our surprise, was that in the short run the more ethnically diverse the neighborhood you live in, the more you – every – all of us tend to hunker down, to pull in. The more diverse – and when I say all of us, I mean all of us. I mean blacks and whites and Asians and Latinos, all of us. The more diverse the group around us, ethnically, in our neighborhood, the less we trust anybody, including people who look like us. Whites trust whites less. Blacks trust blacks less, in more diverse settings.

    “Colonial adventures were largely a net drain; just ask the Portuguese and Turks.”

    I don’t think the Turks are/were involved in colonialism the same way as Europeans.

    https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-seeks-to-strengthen-africa-relations-with-benevolence/a-56452857

    And, colonial adventures were overall a net positive for the aggressors through development of trade, infrastructure, mineral extraction, population pressure release points, etc.

    https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=232099087122075122118029078000127066097017010085053050121006126066073065099114101025006004049123024013001005072074112071007083058006064047010090118013116124022086047054036073108091093020000070069096078116014102101127099015067123104106088003019123094&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

    https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/this-economist-says-britain-took-away-usd-45-trillion-from-india-in-173-years/story/292352.html

    “The wealthy countries today are there from homegrown talent, internal markets, and competitive advantage trading.”

    Another strawman on your part, as well as a red herring to boot.

    “Sweden; Germany; China — didn’t get where they are with much help from immigrants.”

    Yet another strawman on your part, as well as a red herring to boot.

    “Continuum fallacy.”

    LOL, now you’re just grasping at straws. The British and French each consisted of the particular groups I listed.

    Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Which the U.S. has done.
     
    We're having a lot of civil discord along the fault lines of race/ethnicity. Not much of an advertisement. Instead of burning so much race chrome, we could be building a better rail system, or making better music. The current set up being good enough for you is a eulogy for a better world.

    Madison Grant...
     
    Not in the particulars, but in general we are living in the world he described. We can rank order races and ethnicities by accomplishment. When parachuting in from orbit, quite a few vote for Nordic landing spots.

    the Ninth Circuit upheld a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing...
     
    So much for assimilation, or even trying to get along. Just use the courts to win and impose your new ethnic sensibilities. Which was my original point.

    [Putnam] cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work.
     
    LOL

    [Putnam's] extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society
     
    More like: after extensive research, Putnam had to go learn the Riemann Series Theorem so he could publish acceptable findings.

    He waxes that Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average and they have better cuisine. And it’s just a more interesting place to live. Yes, let's worship the GDP, praise be upon it. Ports and trading areas tend to be all that, and we send our ambitious there to make their mark. But they come home to take care of kids and elderly that look like themselves.

    Do we really get diversity with all this countrywide immigration? It is more like we get wholesale replacement; pockets of replacement; or some blending into a lower capable culture.


    I don’t think the Turks are/were involved in colonialism the same way as Europeans.
     
    Ottoman empire, rather poor.

    And, colonial adventures were overall a net positive for the aggressors through development of trade, infrastructure, mineral extraction, population pressure release points, etc.
     
    You can get all that without colonialism, as amply demonstrated by wealthy countries today. The cost of colonialism negated any gain from the practice, a point well made in your link to Coelho (nice vetting, there.) Your link to Utsa Patnaik suggests Britain gained 45 trillion (lol) from its colonial adventure in India, leaving out the other side, where, by the same math, it cost Britain 46 trillion to engage in the adventure.

    The British and French each consisted of the particular groups I listed.
     
    Whoosh. Yes, people are admixtures, but not all admixtures are created equal. Just because Jutes and Frisians do okay doesn't mean you are going to get a similar result with Bantus.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  212. @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "It is easier to keep a civil society if the people in the society are closer in the characteristics that make a difference."

    Which the U.S. has done. Societies are other than static structures. They evolve their people evolve.

    "It is just easier to keep things going with the natural cohesion of genetic similarity."

    Nordic, Alpine, or Mediterranean? I make reference to Madison Grant (1917), who claimed the Nordics were out-bred by immigrant and "inferior" lower-class White racial stocks. More importantly, those groups were patently unqualified for the "Nordic political structure of the U.S." Grant's perception of non-Nordics is that they are utterly incapable of this "natural cohesion" despite all three groups having "genetic similarity". So, Nordic, Alpine, or Mediterranean?

    "While the 9th circuit rules that California High Schools can ban the American flag so the surrender to a new demographic can continue."

    LOL. no. Context and facts escape you.

    https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/will-supreme-court-take-american-flag-ban-case

    In the decision, the Ninth Circuit upheld a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. The court essentially concluded that the “heckler’s veto” theory could be applied in the special context of K-12 schools: When there is reason to think that student speech would lead to violence against the speakers — and there had been threats of racial violence aimed at students who wore such shirts the year before — the speech can be restricted.

    "LOL, Corvinus links: you don’t read them"

    To the contrary, I vet all of my links.

    "and they often make the case for the other side."

    You're going to have do WAY better than that. Citations and evidence required here.

    "The first two links were for the same study in different formats, using given birth names as indicator of assimilation. Bleh, seems pretty weak."

    To the contrary, they make a strong case based on their statistics and reasoning. You're going to have demonstrate specifically how and why their arguments are "weak".

    "Why does hypocrisy come into this?"

    I've already addressed that point. You just continue to ignore its legitimacy.

    "My challenge? How about Robert Putnam."

    In the short term, he writes, there are clearly challenges, but over the long haul, he argues that diversity has a range of benefits for a society, and that the fragmentation and distrust can be overcome. It’s not an easy process, but in the end it’s “well worth the effort.’” He cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work. Putnam’s brief contends that the 2007 paper has been “twisted” to make a case against race-conscious admissions, asserting that, on the contrary, his “extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society.”


    I do need to step back a minute and say I think that the – it’s not merely a fact that America’s becoming more diverse. It’s a benefit. America will – all of us will, over the long run, benefit from being a more diverse, more heterogeneous place. Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average and they have better cuisine. And it’s just a more interesting place to live.”

    “So in the long run, waves of immigration like we’re going through now and that we’ve gone through in the past and increasing diversity is good for a society. But what we discovered in this research, somewhat to our surprise, was that in the short run the more ethnically diverse the neighborhood you live in, the more you – every – all of us tend to hunker down, to pull in. The more diverse – and when I say all of us, I mean all of us. I mean blacks and whites and Asians and Latinos, all of us. The more diverse the group around us, ethnically, in our neighborhood, the less we trust anybody, including people who look like us. Whites trust whites less. Blacks trust blacks less, in more diverse settings.
     
    "Colonial adventures were largely a net drain; just ask the Portuguese and Turks."

    I don't think the Turks are/were involved in colonialism the same way as Europeans.

    https://www.dw.com/en/turkey-seeks-to-strengthen-africa-relations-with-benevolence/a-56452857

    And, colonial adventures were overall a net positive for the aggressors through development of trade, infrastructure, mineral extraction, population pressure release points, etc.

    https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=232099087122075122118029078000127066097017010085053050121006126066073065099114101025006004049123024013001005072074112071007083058006064047010090118013116124022086047054036073108091093020000070069096078116014102101127099015067123104106088003019123094&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE

    https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/this-economist-says-britain-took-away-usd-45-trillion-from-india-in-173-years/story/292352.html

    "The wealthy countries today are there from homegrown talent, internal markets, and competitive advantage trading."

    Another strawman on your part, as well as a red herring to boot.

    "Sweden; Germany; China — didn’t get where they are with much help from immigrants."

    Yet another strawman on your part, as well as a red herring to boot.

    "Continuum fallacy."

    LOL, now you're just grasping at straws. The British and French each consisted of the particular groups I listed.

    Why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    Replies: @bomag

    Which the U.S. has done.

    We’re having a lot of civil discord along the fault lines of race/ethnicity. Not much of an advertisement. Instead of burning so much race chrome, we could be building a better rail system, or making better music. The current set up being good enough for you is a eulogy for a better world.

    Madison Grant…

    Not in the particulars, but in general we are living in the world he described. We can rank order races and ethnicities by accomplishment. When parachuting in from orbit, quite a few vote for Nordic landing spots.

    the Ninth Circuit upheld a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing…

    So much for assimilation, or even trying to get along. Just use the courts to win and impose your new ethnic sensibilities. Which was my original point.

    [Putnam] cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work.

    LOL

    [Putnam’s] extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society

    More like: after extensive research, Putnam had to go learn the Riemann Series Theorem so he could publish acceptable findings.

    He waxes that Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average and they have better cuisine. And it’s just a more interesting place to live. Yes, let’s worship the GDP, praise be upon it. Ports and trading areas tend to be all that, and we send our ambitious there to make their mark. But they come home to take care of kids and elderly that look like themselves.

    Do we really get diversity with all this countrywide immigration? It is more like we get wholesale replacement; pockets of replacement; or some blending into a lower capable culture.

    I don’t think the Turks are/were involved in colonialism the same way as Europeans.

    Ottoman empire, rather poor.

    And, colonial adventures were overall a net positive for the aggressors through development of trade, infrastructure, mineral extraction, population pressure release points, etc.

    You can get all that without colonialism, as amply demonstrated by wealthy countries today. The cost of colonialism negated any gain from the practice, a point well made in your link to Coelho (nice vetting, there.) Your link to Utsa Patnaik suggests Britain gained 45 trillion (lol) from its colonial adventure in India, leaving out the other side, where, by the same math, it cost Britain 46 trillion to engage in the adventure.

    The British and French each consisted of the particular groups I listed.

    Whoosh. Yes, people are admixtures, but not all admixtures are created equal. Just because Jutes and Frisians do okay doesn’t mean you are going to get a similar result with Bantus.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "We’re having a lot of civil discord along the fault lines of race/ethnicity."

    We have had throughout our nation's history.

    "Instead of burning so much race chrome, we could be building a better rail system"

    Now that is something I can get on board on. Why didn't Trump follow through on his promise to improve our infrastructure?

    "or making better music."

    Subjective. To each their own.

    "Not in the particulars, but in general we are living in the world he described".

    No, we are not living that world he described. Now, why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    "We can rank order races and ethnicities by accomplishment".

    Subjectively.

    "So much for assimilation, or even trying to get along. Just use the courts to win and impose your new ethnic sensibilities. Which was my original point."

    No, that didn't happen as you said it did.

    "More like: after extensive research, Putnam had to go learn the Riemann Series Theorem so he could publish acceptable findings."

    More like, Putnam chastised people who were purposely mischaracterizing his findings.

    "Do we really get diversity with all this countrywide immigration? It is more like we get wholesale replacement; pockets of replacement".

    More like blending in.

    "some blending into a lower capable culture."

    Like your own ancestors.

    "You can get all that without colonialism, as amply demonstrated by wealthy countries today".

    You mean European countries got where they are today with colonialism and imperialism.

    "The cost of colonialism negated any gain from the practice, a point well made in your link to Coelho (nice vetting, there.)"

    You're going to have to be more specific here.

    "Your link to Utsa Patnaik suggests Britain gained 45 trillion (lol) from its colonial adventure in India, leaving out the other side, where, by the same math, it cost Britain 46 trillion to engage in the adventure."

    Where does it state that in the article (about the 46 trillion)?

    "Whoosh. Yes, people are admixtures, but not all admixtures are created equal".

    According to Who/Whom?

    "Just because Jutes and Frisians do okay doesn’t mean you are going to get a similar result with Bantus."

    The Angles, Saxons and Jutes joined the Frisians. They were not too fond of one another, had distinct ways of life, yet were able to eventually merge. That is also the story of U.S.

    "doesn’t mean you are going to get a similar result with Bantus."

    WASPs said exactly the same thing about getting a dire result with the mixing of non-WASPs. Anyways, why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

  213. @bomag
    @Corvinus


    Which the U.S. has done.
     
    We're having a lot of civil discord along the fault lines of race/ethnicity. Not much of an advertisement. Instead of burning so much race chrome, we could be building a better rail system, or making better music. The current set up being good enough for you is a eulogy for a better world.

    Madison Grant...
     
    Not in the particulars, but in general we are living in the world he described. We can rank order races and ethnicities by accomplishment. When parachuting in from orbit, quite a few vote for Nordic landing spots.

    the Ninth Circuit upheld a California high school’s decision to forbid students from wearing...
     
    So much for assimilation, or even trying to get along. Just use the courts to win and impose your new ethnic sensibilities. Which was my original point.

    [Putnam] cites the integration of institutions like the U.S. Army as proof that diversity can work.
     
    LOL

    [Putnam's] extensive research and experience confirm the substantial benefits of diversity, including racial and ethnic diversity, to our society
     
    More like: after extensive research, Putnam had to go learn the Riemann Series Theorem so he could publish acceptable findings.

    He waxes that Places that are more diverse have higher rates of growth on average and they have better cuisine. And it’s just a more interesting place to live. Yes, let's worship the GDP, praise be upon it. Ports and trading areas tend to be all that, and we send our ambitious there to make their mark. But they come home to take care of kids and elderly that look like themselves.

    Do we really get diversity with all this countrywide immigration? It is more like we get wholesale replacement; pockets of replacement; or some blending into a lower capable culture.


    I don’t think the Turks are/were involved in colonialism the same way as Europeans.
     
    Ottoman empire, rather poor.

    And, colonial adventures were overall a net positive for the aggressors through development of trade, infrastructure, mineral extraction, population pressure release points, etc.
     
    You can get all that without colonialism, as amply demonstrated by wealthy countries today. The cost of colonialism negated any gain from the practice, a point well made in your link to Coelho (nice vetting, there.) Your link to Utsa Patnaik suggests Britain gained 45 trillion (lol) from its colonial adventure in India, leaving out the other side, where, by the same math, it cost Britain 46 trillion to engage in the adventure.

    The British and French each consisted of the particular groups I listed.
     
    Whoosh. Yes, people are admixtures, but not all admixtures are created equal. Just because Jutes and Frisians do okay doesn't mean you are going to get a similar result with Bantus.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “We’re having a lot of civil discord along the fault lines of race/ethnicity.”

    We have had throughout our nation’s history.

    “Instead of burning so much race chrome, we could be building a better rail system”

    Now that is something I can get on board on. Why didn’t Trump follow through on his promise to improve our infrastructure?

    “or making better music.”

    Subjective. To each their own.

    “Not in the particulars, but in general we are living in the world he described”.

    No, we are not living that world he described. Now, why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

    “We can rank order races and ethnicities by accomplishment”.

    Subjectively.

    “So much for assimilation, or even trying to get along. Just use the courts to win and impose your new ethnic sensibilities. Which was my original point.”

    No, that didn’t happen as you said it did.

    “More like: after extensive research, Putnam had to go learn the Riemann Series Theorem so he could publish acceptable findings.”

    More like, Putnam chastised people who were purposely mischaracterizing his findings.

    “Do we really get diversity with all this countrywide immigration? It is more like we get wholesale replacement; pockets of replacement”.

    More like blending in.

    “some blending into a lower capable culture.”

    Like your own ancestors.

    “You can get all that without colonialism, as amply demonstrated by wealthy countries today”.

    You mean European countries got where they are today with colonialism and imperialism.

    “The cost of colonialism negated any gain from the practice, a point well made in your link to Coelho (nice vetting, there.)”

    You’re going to have to be more specific here.

    “Your link to Utsa Patnaik suggests Britain gained 45 trillion (lol) from its colonial adventure in India, leaving out the other side, where, by the same math, it cost Britain 46 trillion to engage in the adventure.”

    Where does it state that in the article (about the 46 trillion)?

    “Whoosh. Yes, people are admixtures, but not all admixtures are created equal”.

    According to Who/Whom?

    “Just because Jutes and Frisians do okay doesn’t mean you are going to get a similar result with Bantus.”

    The Angles, Saxons and Jutes joined the Frisians. They were not too fond of one another, had distinct ways of life, yet were able to eventually merge. That is also the story of U.S.

    “doesn’t mean you are going to get a similar result with Bantus.”

    WASPs said exactly the same thing about getting a dire result with the mixing of non-WASPs. Anyways, why are you outright refusing to identify your ethnicities? Are you ashamed?

  214. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1367576876491960325

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  215. @Oikeamielinen
    @anon

    Uralic people? Who teaches you nonsense like that?

    Replies: @Badger Down

    Don’t mock the incontinent. 😉

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