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From Lazy Glossophiliac’s blog on births in New York City, with some stats of relevance to Heather Mac Donald’s unpopular theory that gentrification and declining homicides are in a virtuous cycle in New York City. Population statistics in New York City tend to be somewhat sketchy, perhaps because of the rampant subletting and complicated rent control-related hijinks. So Lazy Glossophiliac looks at births in NYC by mother’s race, which is one measure of gentrification. (The ultimate stage of gentrification is white people have their teenage daughters walk to school at the local public high school.)

SUNDAY, MARCH 27, 2016
The Stats of Ice and Gunfire

… The share of Black births reached a new modern-era low with 19.4% in 2014. It peaked at 32% in 1986 and declined in every single year since then. In 2014 the share of Hispanic births was the lowest since 1983. The share of White births reached a new modern-era high of 33.1%.

Like last time I lumped these categories into the Ice People group (Whites and Asians) and the Sun People group (Blacks, Hispanics and Others). I put Others into the Sun group because according to the Summary of Vital Statistics their childhood mortality rate is closer to those of Blacks and Hispanics than to those of Whites and Asians.

In 2014, for the first time during the period covered by this graph and, I would guess, for the first time in more than half a century, NYC’s Ice People had more kids (50.12%) than NYC’s Sun People (49.88%). You can see the border between beige and yellow dip below 50% at the right edge of the graph. This is pretty historic.

… The murder rate in 2014 was the lowest since the change to the current reporting format in 1961. The rate fell from about 30 in 1990 to about 4 in 2014.

The peak of Sun People’s percentage of births appears to have been about 1991, perhaps not coincidentally.

 
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  1. I think one of the original inspirations for this fire and ice dichotomy was the uh notorious racist black studies professor Leonard Jeffries’ assertion that whites were ice people who were violent and cruel while blacks were sun people who were warm and compassionate. In actuality, this statement is somewhat off the mark. As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality, the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    Focusing merely on the absurdly high rates of African American crime tends to obscure what I believe to be the rather interesting distinction between disorganized violence directed wantonly towards others within one’s own community and systematic organized violence sanctioned by the state and applied ruthlessly towards designated out-groups. But alas I digress.

    Today, we have another great metaphor for fire and ice through George R.R. Martin’s Game of Thrones. For instance, you’ve heard me on Unz refer to the existential song of ice and fire that whites and blacks in this country seemingly believe themselves to be a part of. I’ve highlighted how men like John Derbyshire are essentially the white counterpart to someone like Ta Nehisi Coates, albeit with a broader body of written work, as I’m sure Derb and his supporters will be quick to point out. I even pointed out the ultimate uh John Derbyshire sighting, in case anyone failed to catch it before. Truly Olympian form Derb!

    What’s the end game of this Game of Thrones between fire and ice? My guess is that America will eventually become a more functional version of Brazil in the long run, 50 to 100 years out.

    • Replies: @bomag

    As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality
     
    Convenient that you leave out Asian man's various body counts via violence.

    But I'm sure you will find a way to spin the adventures of Imperial Japan; Mao; Pol Pot; et al as an object lesson in the superiority of Asian man such that we should all turn the future over to him.
    , @Anonymous
    the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    It was so disorganized that they've been unable to locate any of the bodies.
    , @SFG
    You blame the commenters here for wanting the country to stay like it is rather than turn into Brazil? They've got huge problems, and the bottom of the totem pole lives in huge disgusting slums, BTW.

    The term is originally Leonard Jeffries and reached here by way of John Derbyshire, as far as I know. Derb as the white TNC? Nah, one of the more perfervid alt-right bloggers might fit that description, people here probably have better suggestions. Derb uses a lot of statistics and evidence, I don't see TNC quoting a lot of numbers. You're right that they both have personality types somewhere in the nerdy quadrant, but TNC is definitely not a math major.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    You're right. In fifty years both the U.S. and Europe will be overrun by vibrant black and brown bodies. An elite class composed of both synthetic and organic materials will attempt to manage the chaos that vibrancy brings from protected enclaves.
    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    What level of organization do you think the rape of Nanking was?

    I'd have to place Genghis Khan's Mongols in the Ice Zone. They were pretty methodical when they wanted to be.
  2. I know that the Han type people had their origins in the cold climates of Northern China, so the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans that are genetically derived from them can be called ice people, but the rest of Asia such as the India subcontinent, South East Asia or the Middle East cannot be called ice people.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    That was my question, if they are counting Indians, Pakistanis, Turks, etc. in the Asian category, they aren't really "ice people." It does appear that the white percentage is increasing. Could that be from people who delayed having kids during the 2008-2009 recession having them after that?
  3. Borough Park, heavily Orthodox Jewish, is easily the city’s baby capital, with a robust birth rate of 27.9 per 1,000 residents, according to the data. In 2013, some 5,458 babies were born in the Brooklyn enclave.

    https://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-rates-havent-been-this-low-since-great-depression/

    I’m not white I’m Jewish – unofficial MUSIC VIDEO – BibleRap rap hiphop

    • Replies: @Olorin
    https://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/thematic/countries-by-birth-rate.html
    , @SFG
    The people making that claim usually aren't Orthodox.
    , @Bugg
    Brooklyn/Boro Park's main Orthodox hospital-"More babies are born at Maimonides than at any other hospital in New York State."
  4. Maybe New York can apply for the next Winter Olympics.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    This is pretty historic.


     

    Funny how everything white people do is. Somehow. Or something.

    Though how Indian subcontinentals or other tropical/equatorial SEAs are "Ice People" escapes my comprehension.

    http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map_of_southeast_asia.htm

    Maybe I missed the memo that knowing about latitude is now racist.

    Now, host, challenge this blogger to redraw the map with colored (gasp) bands reflecting the actual equator-to-Arctic/Antarctic origins--say by 15- or 20-degree bands--of the populations in question.

    I think what will be learned is that the Sweat People are doing just dandy in terms of birth rates and the Ice People's five-borough redoubt grows ever weaker.

    This blogger's notion of "Sun People" appears to be grounded in how many of their kids they manage to kill off, while dumping the rest into the perpetual custodial care of the minority populations taxed to pay for them.


    (The ultimate stage of gentrification is white people have their teenage daughters walk to school at the local public high school.)
     
    We used to call that America.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Maybe so. Surely they have enough Jamaicans for a bobsled team.
  5. A lot of the asians in NYC, and even of the whites, aren’t by any stretch of the imagination ice people.

    • Agree: Clyde, Bliss
  6. By using just two categories in her system of classification, the author has rendered her study pointless. More diversion and obfuscation.

  7. The Stats of Ice and Gunfire

    Game of Thrones lift by Heather Mac. Many Asians are ding bat sun people. If you start at South China and head south, they get more dingy the further you go. As far as as the Sub Continentals, this Southern mental drift does not hold as true. However India is full to brim with Southern sun baked religious cranks and ding bats. Pakistan and Bangladesh the same, but done up Muslim style.
    So Heather can say Blacks are being faded out from New York City, but new flakes are taking their place. Not for nothing are most sun blasted third world nations chaotic. Look what Venezuela/lead by Indigenous Hugo Chavez/ has done with its oil resources. By now they have ruined the pressure in many oil pools by chaotic recovery regimes. What happens when you boot out the ice people oil majors like Exxon.

  8. @Foreign Expert
    Maybe New York can apply for the next Winter Olympics.

    This is pretty historic.

    Funny how everything white people do is. Somehow. Or something.

    Though how Indian subcontinentals or other tropical/equatorial SEAs are “Ice People” escapes my comprehension.

    http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map_of_southeast_asia.htm

    Maybe I missed the memo that knowing about latitude is now racist.

    Now, host, challenge this blogger to redraw the map with colored (gasp) bands reflecting the actual equator-to-Arctic/Antarctic origins–say by 15- or 20-degree bands–of the populations in question.

    I think what will be learned is that the Sweat People are doing just dandy in terms of birth rates and the Ice People’s five-borough redoubt grows ever weaker.

    This blogger’s notion of “Sun People” appears to be grounded in how many of their kids they manage to kill off, while dumping the rest into the perpetual custodial care of the minority populations taxed to pay for them.

    (The ultimate stage of gentrification is white people have their teenage daughters walk to school at the local public high school.)

    We used to call that America.

  9. @FKA Max

    Borough Park, heavily Orthodox Jewish, is easily the city’s baby capital, with a robust birth rate of 27.9 per 1,000 residents, according to the data. In 2013, some 5,458 babies were born in the Brooklyn enclave.
     
    - https://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-rates-havent-been-this-low-since-great-depression/

    I'm not white I'm Jewish - unofficial MUSIC VIDEO - BibleRap rap hiphop

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mirL15zZYNc
    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Important to factor in the child mortality rate:

    Child Mortality

    https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ourworldindata_screen-shot-2015-08-01-at-13.27.45.png

    Source: https://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/thematic/countries-by-birth-rate.html
  10. @Foreign Expert
    Maybe New York can apply for the next Winter Olympics.

    Maybe so. Surely they have enough Jamaicans for a bobsled team.

  11. Somewhat OT: An apartment fire in the Bronx killed 12 people, including 4 kids, yesterday. Now people are asking questions about the slumlord who owned it because of the number of tenant and nuisance complaints against his company. I think this was just an unfortunate accident. The majority of NYC slumlords are Jewish, and they publish a list of those with the worst complaints against them every year, and there is a very minor kerfuffle after someone notices this. This is the worst fire in 25 years though. Interestingly, the NYC papers haven’t really picked up on it, while the Daily Mail has:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5221959/Bronx-apartment-building-owner-hundreds-complaints.html

    • Replies: @Amanuensis
    The Grenfell Towers fire is fresh in the memory of the British.
  12. @Yan Shen
    I think one of the original inspirations for this fire and ice dichotomy was the uh notorious racist black studies professor Leonard Jeffries' assertion that whites were ice people who were violent and cruel while blacks were sun people who were warm and compassionate. In actuality, this statement is somewhat off the mark. As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality, the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    Focusing merely on the absurdly high rates of African American crime tends to obscure what I believe to be the rather interesting distinction between disorganized violence directed wantonly towards others within one's own community and systematic organized violence sanctioned by the state and applied ruthlessly towards designated out-groups. But alas I digress.

    Today, we have another great metaphor for fire and ice through George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. For instance, you've heard me on Unz refer to the existential song of ice and fire that whites and blacks in this country seemingly believe themselves to be a part of. I've highlighted how men like John Derbyshire are essentially the white counterpart to someone like Ta Nehisi Coates, albeit with a broader body of written work, as I'm sure Derb and his supporters will be quick to point out. I even pointed out the ultimate uh John Derbyshire sighting, in case anyone failed to catch it before. Truly Olympian form Derb!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvt-S-pcN4

    What's the end game of this Game of Thrones between fire and ice? My guess is that America will eventually become a more functional version of Brazil in the long run, 50 to 100 years out.

    As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality

    Convenient that you leave out Asian man’s various body counts via violence.

    But I’m sure you will find a way to spin the adventures of Imperial Japan; Mao; Pol Pot; et al as an object lesson in the superiority of Asian man such that we should all turn the future over to him.

  13. @Yan Shen
    I think one of the original inspirations for this fire and ice dichotomy was the uh notorious racist black studies professor Leonard Jeffries' assertion that whites were ice people who were violent and cruel while blacks were sun people who were warm and compassionate. In actuality, this statement is somewhat off the mark. As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality, the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    Focusing merely on the absurdly high rates of African American crime tends to obscure what I believe to be the rather interesting distinction between disorganized violence directed wantonly towards others within one's own community and systematic organized violence sanctioned by the state and applied ruthlessly towards designated out-groups. But alas I digress.

    Today, we have another great metaphor for fire and ice through George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. For instance, you've heard me on Unz refer to the existential song of ice and fire that whites and blacks in this country seemingly believe themselves to be a part of. I've highlighted how men like John Derbyshire are essentially the white counterpart to someone like Ta Nehisi Coates, albeit with a broader body of written work, as I'm sure Derb and his supporters will be quick to point out. I even pointed out the ultimate uh John Derbyshire sighting, in case anyone failed to catch it before. Truly Olympian form Derb!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvt-S-pcN4

    What's the end game of this Game of Thrones between fire and ice? My guess is that America will eventually become a more functional version of Brazil in the long run, 50 to 100 years out.

    the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    It was so disorganized that they’ve been unable to locate any of the bodies.

    • Replies: @Sarah Toga
    My late uncle, a Methodist of English-Scots descent, an artillery company officer - forward observer during WWII and a highly respected man in his community all his life - witnessed the captives and saw the piles of the dead - at the slave labor/death camps his unit liberated near the end of WWII.
    , @Anonymous

    It was so disorganized that they’ve been unable to locate any of the bodies.
     
    Sorry but have to object to this bit of Holocaust Denial.

    Tens of thousands of deaths have in fact been conclusively documented, many from typhoid and other communicable diseases.
  14. I wonder if any Huffington Post writer reads iSteve. Using the phrase “ice people” might be an effective
    rhetorical strategy against successful minorities like Asians lumping them together with evil whites.

    Imagine headlines like “Ice people make up 96% of the jobs in Silicon valley, Rev. Jesse Jackson protests on behalf of the Sun people.”, or the “18 things Ice People ruined in 2018”, or “Persistent gap in test scores between Ice People & Sun people means racism isn’t over”, or perhaps the best “Kill all Icies”.

  15. Why don bite people support pedophiles like Roy Moore and Jean Francois Garieoy?

    • Replies: @Laugh Track

    Why don bite people support pedophiles
     
    So, are your don bite people related to Clyde's ding bat people? As for the pedophiles, are those the bike-riding hipsters or pedestrians? I'm losting track.
    , @fish

    Ohs Tinys.....agin wit teh “don bite” peeples! Anys ways don slander our luv Tinys! Donts makes Lentert go all Ike to yo Tinas!


    - Lentert “ teh relucktent di-slip-inarian” Pitz
     
  16. @Yan Shen
    I think one of the original inspirations for this fire and ice dichotomy was the uh notorious racist black studies professor Leonard Jeffries' assertion that whites were ice people who were violent and cruel while blacks were sun people who were warm and compassionate. In actuality, this statement is somewhat off the mark. As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality, the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    Focusing merely on the absurdly high rates of African American crime tends to obscure what I believe to be the rather interesting distinction between disorganized violence directed wantonly towards others within one's own community and systematic organized violence sanctioned by the state and applied ruthlessly towards designated out-groups. But alas I digress.

    Today, we have another great metaphor for fire and ice through George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. For instance, you've heard me on Unz refer to the existential song of ice and fire that whites and blacks in this country seemingly believe themselves to be a part of. I've highlighted how men like John Derbyshire are essentially the white counterpart to someone like Ta Nehisi Coates, albeit with a broader body of written work, as I'm sure Derb and his supporters will be quick to point out. I even pointed out the ultimate uh John Derbyshire sighting, in case anyone failed to catch it before. Truly Olympian form Derb!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvt-S-pcN4

    What's the end game of this Game of Thrones between fire and ice? My guess is that America will eventually become a more functional version of Brazil in the long run, 50 to 100 years out.

    You blame the commenters here for wanting the country to stay like it is rather than turn into Brazil? They’ve got huge problems, and the bottom of the totem pole lives in huge disgusting slums, BTW.

    The term is originally Leonard Jeffries and reached here by way of John Derbyshire, as far as I know. Derb as the white TNC? Nah, one of the more perfervid alt-right bloggers might fit that description, people here probably have better suggestions. Derb uses a lot of statistics and evidence, I don’t see TNC quoting a lot of numbers. You’re right that they both have personality types somewhere in the nerdy quadrant, but TNC is definitely not a math major.

    • Replies: @JSM
    If we White people are so badass, so excellent at organized violence and brutality, as Yannie tells us, you'd think these idiots would stop vexing us, out of sheer self-preservation.
  17. @FKA Max

    Borough Park, heavily Orthodox Jewish, is easily the city’s baby capital, with a robust birth rate of 27.9 per 1,000 residents, according to the data. In 2013, some 5,458 babies were born in the Brooklyn enclave.
     
    - https://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-rates-havent-been-this-low-since-great-depression/

    I'm not white I'm Jewish - unofficial MUSIC VIDEO - BibleRap rap hiphop

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mirL15zZYNc

    The people making that claim usually aren’t Orthodox.

  18. He used the birth-mother’s race as a proxy for the race of the child. Nope, can’t see any flaws in that assumption.

  19. @FKA Max

    Borough Park, heavily Orthodox Jewish, is easily the city’s baby capital, with a robust birth rate of 27.9 per 1,000 residents, according to the data. In 2013, some 5,458 babies were born in the Brooklyn enclave.
     
    - https://nypost.com/2015/04/27/city-birth-rates-havent-been-this-low-since-great-depression/

    I'm not white I'm Jewish - unofficial MUSIC VIDEO - BibleRap rap hiphop

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mirL15zZYNc

    Brooklyn/Boro Park’s main Orthodox hospital-“More babies are born at Maimonides than at any other hospital in New York State.”

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    The 17 towns that are making the most babies

    It's not even close

    There's growth and then there's Lakewood growth.

    At 45 births per 1,000 people in 2015, Lakewood's birth rate is more than double the next highest municipality in the state and four times the state average. The huge figures are tied to fast-growing Orthodox Jewish community, which has also made it one of the fastest growing towns in the state.

    Outpacing N.J., the U.S. and most of the planet

    Lakewood's birth rate is remarkable no matter how you slice it. The 4,500 births in Lakewood in 2015 represent 5 percent of its total population. New Jersey has only grown by 1.7 percent in the last 7 years.

    Lakewood's birth rate is nearly double the next highest county in the United States. And the birth rate in Niger, which sported the highest national rate on Earth in 2015, was only a few points higher at 49.
     
    - http://www.nj.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2017/06/baby_booming_the_17_towns_that_buck_the_declining.html

    http://image.nj.com/home/njo-media/width960/img/ocean_impact/photo/lakewood-vs-nj-vs-us-br-90-15jpg-49c14a803415f0c3.jpg

    Source: http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2017/08/11_ways_lakewood_is_like_nowhere_else_in_nj.html
  20. @neutral
    I know that the Han type people had their origins in the cold climates of Northern China, so the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans that are genetically derived from them can be called ice people, but the rest of Asia such as the India subcontinent, South East Asia or the Middle East cannot be called ice people.

    That was my question, if they are counting Indians, Pakistanis, Turks, etc. in the Asian category, they aren’t really “ice people.” It does appear that the white percentage is increasing. Could that be from people who delayed having kids during the 2008-2009 recession having them after that?

    • Replies: @biz
    I would be shocked if the white increase is due to anything other than Orthodox and Haredi Jewish hyper-fecundity in NYC.
  21. A huge percentage of the white NYC births are going to be Orthodox and Haredi Jews, and many (most?) of the Asian births are going to be South Asians, including a very large number (majority?) of Muslims, so I don’t know how well the sun/ice dichotomy applies here. These stats are far from suggesting that Brooklyn SWPLs and Korean and Brahmin Wall Street Quants are providing a majority of NYC births.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    Reporting by fathers race would give clear picture. At least 25 percent of white mothers were imprrgnatef by black males.
    , @Anonymous

    A huge percentage of the white NYC births are going to be Orthodox and Haredi Jews, and many (most?) of the Asian births are going to be South Asians, including a very large number (majority?) of Muslims
     
    Thank you for pointing out what should have been obvious to all of us, including myself as I lived in NYC for a number of years. News is scary--it needs interpretation, and therein lies the lies.
    , @nebulafox
    As far as the Jews are concerned, same dynamic is occurring in Israel with the haredim, which is beginning to cause some serious financial problems-the men don't work, they study the Torah all day long, but they have large families typically on welfare. One of the reasons I'm strongly skeptical that any sort of "solution" to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is possible, or at least in the two-state form as defined by "mainstream" commentators, is the fact that hardest line groups on both sides are far and away reproducing the most. In Israel alone, the descendants of those expelled from the Arab World, Russians, and the Orthodox have long since outnumbered the European, Labour supporting Ashkenazim that still makes up the image of Israel on Capitol Hill.
  22. The ultimate stage of gentrification is white people have their teenage daughters walk to school at the local public high school.

    I had a great and therapeutic belly laugh . . . whilst realizing the truth that makes this funny . . . having daughters recently graduated from our local public high school . . .

  23. @Anonymous
    the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    It was so disorganized that they've been unable to locate any of the bodies.

    My late uncle, a Methodist of English-Scots descent, an artillery company officer – forward observer during WWII and a highly respected man in his community all his life – witnessed the captives and saw the piles of the dead – at the slave labor/death camps his unit liberated near the end of WWII.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    Dead how, sister Sarah? Clumsiness? Old age? Disease? Starvation? Abusive overwork? Or a combination of the above? Even Dimbleby couldn't explain exactly how. They were just "there", and helluva skinny and dried.

    Maybe the piles of corpses in Hamburg were actually incinerated by Martians, while us "English-Scots" (you mean middle- or upper-class Scot, or dreadfully failed Englishman) were otherwise distracted.
    Now there's a thought.
    Deserves looking into, like all the rest of it. I've still got my trowel. And some old-fashioned context sheets, if that's any help.
  24. @biz
    A huge percentage of the white NYC births are going to be Orthodox and Haredi Jews, and many (most?) of the Asian births are going to be South Asians, including a very large number (majority?) of Muslims, so I don't know how well the sun/ice dichotomy applies here. These stats are far from suggesting that Brooklyn SWPLs and Korean and Brahmin Wall Street Quants are providing a majority of NYC births.

    Reporting by fathers race would give clear picture. At least 25 percent of white mothers were imprrgnatef by black males.

  25. @Anonymous
    the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    It was so disorganized that they've been unable to locate any of the bodies.

    It was so disorganized that they’ve been unable to locate any of the bodies.

    Sorry but have to object to this bit of Holocaust Denial.

    Tens of thousands of deaths have in fact been conclusively documented, many from typhoid and other communicable diseases.

  26. @SFG
    You blame the commenters here for wanting the country to stay like it is rather than turn into Brazil? They've got huge problems, and the bottom of the totem pole lives in huge disgusting slums, BTW.

    The term is originally Leonard Jeffries and reached here by way of John Derbyshire, as far as I know. Derb as the white TNC? Nah, one of the more perfervid alt-right bloggers might fit that description, people here probably have better suggestions. Derb uses a lot of statistics and evidence, I don't see TNC quoting a lot of numbers. You're right that they both have personality types somewhere in the nerdy quadrant, but TNC is definitely not a math major.

    If we White people are so badass, so excellent at organized violence and brutality, as Yannie tells us, you’d think these idiots would stop vexing us, out of sheer self-preservation.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    You used "vexed." Now THAT is Derbian.
  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @biz
    A huge percentage of the white NYC births are going to be Orthodox and Haredi Jews, and many (most?) of the Asian births are going to be South Asians, including a very large number (majority?) of Muslims, so I don't know how well the sun/ice dichotomy applies here. These stats are far from suggesting that Brooklyn SWPLs and Korean and Brahmin Wall Street Quants are providing a majority of NYC births.

    A huge percentage of the white NYC births are going to be Orthodox and Haredi Jews, and many (most?) of the Asian births are going to be South Asians, including a very large number (majority?) of Muslims

    Thank you for pointing out what should have been obvious to all of us, including myself as I lived in NYC for a number of years. News is scary–it needs interpretation, and therein lies the lies.

  28. Of course MacDonald is right. There are no local high schools in NYC. Unless your daughter is going to Stuy or Bronx Science – maybe LaGuardia – you are insane (or from the suburbs) to even consider a public high school.

  29. Wait? Vietnamese and Italians and Greeks and Taiwanese are ice people now?

  30. 1/ From 2014:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/about/press/pr2015/pr059-15.page

    #4 White boys name: Moshe

    #6 White girls name: Chaya

    2/ WN’s only nationalists in the world who don’t like the kind who are having their kind babies-also Mormons, quiverful Christians.

    3/ From Israel 20 and counting:

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Haredi-woman-42-in-Jerusalem-gives-birth-to-her-20th-child-519638

    • Replies: @biz

    1/ From 2014:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/about/press/pr2015/pr059-15.page
     
    Whoa, look at those Hispanic names converging to the White norm! Liam, Dylan, Noah, Emily, Emma, etc.. Even the black ones to some extent (at least for boys)! Maybe assimilation lives on?
  31. @biz
    A huge percentage of the white NYC births are going to be Orthodox and Haredi Jews, and many (most?) of the Asian births are going to be South Asians, including a very large number (majority?) of Muslims, so I don't know how well the sun/ice dichotomy applies here. These stats are far from suggesting that Brooklyn SWPLs and Korean and Brahmin Wall Street Quants are providing a majority of NYC births.

    As far as the Jews are concerned, same dynamic is occurring in Israel with the haredim, which is beginning to cause some serious financial problems-the men don’t work, they study the Torah all day long, but they have large families typically on welfare. One of the reasons I’m strongly skeptical that any sort of “solution” to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is possible, or at least in the two-state form as defined by “mainstream” commentators, is the fact that hardest line groups on both sides are far and away reproducing the most. In Israel alone, the descendants of those expelled from the Arab World, Russians, and the Orthodox have long since outnumbered the European, Labour supporting Ashkenazim that still makes up the image of Israel on Capitol Hill.

    • Replies: @biz
    Agreed mostly. But there is a distinction between the most hard-line nationalist group in Israel, the National Religious, and the Haredim. The latter are the ones who have the highest birthrates, and the lowest workforce and army participation rates.

    But definitely if you add up all of the "conservative" elements in Israeli society, including the working class Mizrahis whose parents and grandparents were genocided by Arabs and therefore have no patience for the Left, the Soviet emigres who suffered under communism and now have money and therefore have no patience for the Left, the National Religious, and the Haredim, that is most of society and the overwhelming majority of the births.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Often the women work, as do the kids as soon as they are old enough to help in the store, while the men study. It's a mark of stature to support a scholar--sort of like hookers competing over who has the best-dressed pimp.
  32. @Barnard
    That was my question, if they are counting Indians, Pakistanis, Turks, etc. in the Asian category, they aren't really "ice people." It does appear that the white percentage is increasing. Could that be from people who delayed having kids during the 2008-2009 recession having them after that?

    I would be shocked if the white increase is due to anything other than Orthodox and Haredi Jewish hyper-fecundity in NYC.

    • Replies: @Amanuensis
    Same here. Plus, as far as I am aware, the Jewish population does not consider themselves white, but semitic. So that's another element that isn't being captured in the statistics.
    , @stillCARealist
    Will all these kids grow up to be left-wing commies? Or are they more likely to be deplorables?
  33. @nebulafox
    As far as the Jews are concerned, same dynamic is occurring in Israel with the haredim, which is beginning to cause some serious financial problems-the men don't work, they study the Torah all day long, but they have large families typically on welfare. One of the reasons I'm strongly skeptical that any sort of "solution" to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is possible, or at least in the two-state form as defined by "mainstream" commentators, is the fact that hardest line groups on both sides are far and away reproducing the most. In Israel alone, the descendants of those expelled from the Arab World, Russians, and the Orthodox have long since outnumbered the European, Labour supporting Ashkenazim that still makes up the image of Israel on Capitol Hill.

    Agreed mostly. But there is a distinction between the most hard-line nationalist group in Israel, the National Religious, and the Haredim. The latter are the ones who have the highest birthrates, and the lowest workforce and army participation rates.

    But definitely if you add up all of the “conservative” elements in Israeli society, including the working class Mizrahis whose parents and grandparents were genocided by Arabs and therefore have no patience for the Left, the Soviet emigres who suffered under communism and now have money and therefore have no patience for the Left, the National Religious, and the Haredim, that is most of society and the overwhelming majority of the births.

  34. @anony-mouse
    1/ From 2014:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/about/press/pr2015/pr059-15.page

    #4 White boys name: Moshe

    #6 White girls name: Chaya

    2/ WN's only nationalists in the world who don't like the kind who are having their kind babies-also Mormons, quiverful Christians.

    3/ From Israel 20 and counting:

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Haredi-woman-42-in-Jerusalem-gives-birth-to-her-20th-child-519638

    1/ From 2014:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/about/press/pr2015/pr059-15.page

    Whoa, look at those Hispanic names converging to the White norm! Liam, Dylan, Noah, Emily, Emma, etc.. Even the black ones to some extent (at least for boys)! Maybe assimilation lives on?

  35. @nebulafox
    As far as the Jews are concerned, same dynamic is occurring in Israel with the haredim, which is beginning to cause some serious financial problems-the men don't work, they study the Torah all day long, but they have large families typically on welfare. One of the reasons I'm strongly skeptical that any sort of "solution" to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is possible, or at least in the two-state form as defined by "mainstream" commentators, is the fact that hardest line groups on both sides are far and away reproducing the most. In Israel alone, the descendants of those expelled from the Arab World, Russians, and the Orthodox have long since outnumbered the European, Labour supporting Ashkenazim that still makes up the image of Israel on Capitol Hill.

    Often the women work, as do the kids as soon as they are old enough to help in the store, while the men study. It’s a mark of stature to support a scholar–sort of like hookers competing over who has the best-dressed pimp.

  36. Lots of idiotic quibbling in this thread over “muh pure ice genes.” The important takeaway is that NYC’s black population is indeed falling.

  37. Anonymous [AKA "Brian Damage"] says:

    Not all Whites and Asians are Ice People. The stats is skewed. Only East Asians and Europeans are Ice People.

    • Agree: Clyde
  38. @Olorin
    https://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/thematic/countries-by-birth-rate.html

    Important to factor in the child mortality rate:

    Child Mortality

    Source: https://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/thematic/countries-by-birth-rate.html

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    Correct Source link: https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality/
    , @Olorin
    Precisely.
  39. @Bugg
    Brooklyn/Boro Park's main Orthodox hospital-"More babies are born at Maimonides than at any other hospital in New York State."

    The 17 towns that are making the most babies

    It’s not even close

    There’s growth and then there’s Lakewood growth.

    At 45 births per 1,000 people in 2015, Lakewood’s birth rate is more than double the next highest municipality in the state and four times the state average. The huge figures are tied to fast-growing Orthodox Jewish community, which has also made it one of the fastest growing towns in the state.

    Outpacing N.J., the U.S. and most of the planet

    Lakewood’s birth rate is remarkable no matter how you slice it. The 4,500 births in Lakewood in 2015 represent 5 percent of its total population. New Jersey has only grown by 1.7 percent in the last 7 years.

    Lakewood’s birth rate is nearly double the next highest county in the United States. And the birth rate in Niger, which sported the highest national rate on Earth in 2015, was only a few points higher at 49.

    http://www.nj.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2017/06/baby_booming_the_17_towns_that_buck_the_declining.html

    Source: http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2017/08/11_ways_lakewood_is_like_nowhere_else_in_nj.html

  40. @FKA Max
    Important to factor in the child mortality rate:

    Child Mortality

    https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ourworldindata_screen-shot-2015-08-01-at-13.27.45.png

    Source: https://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/thematic/countries-by-birth-rate.html
  41. Between April and June 1994, the Hutus managed to kill about 800,000 to 1.1 million “moderate” Hutus and Tutsis. Not with poison gas or machine guns, but with machetes or often just rocks. This included infants, the elderly, their neighbors, people they knew for decades. Sometimes even family members.

    By contrast, Auschwitz which was open for three years, and enlarged three times, had the same rough death toll (no one really knows) during its time of operation with poison gas and ovens to cremate the dead.

    Never, EVER let it be said that Africans are not the equal of Europeans in organized, mass slaughter. When it comes to killing, on a per capita basis (not a few SS men), Africans are the world champs. No one kills more people up close and personal, close enough to get the victims blood on them and see their dying agonies, than Africans. Not even Cambodians, North Koreans, and Chinese have this per-capita killing crown.

  42. @william munny
    Somewhat OT: An apartment fire in the Bronx killed 12 people, including 4 kids, yesterday. Now people are asking questions about the slumlord who owned it because of the number of tenant and nuisance complaints against his company. I think this was just an unfortunate accident. The majority of NYC slumlords are Jewish, and they publish a list of those with the worst complaints against them every year, and there is a very minor kerfuffle after someone notices this. This is the worst fire in 25 years though. Interestingly, the NYC papers haven't really picked up on it, while the Daily Mail has:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5221959/Bronx-apartment-building-owner-hundreds-complaints.html

    The Grenfell Towers fire is fresh in the memory of the British.

  43. @biz
    I would be shocked if the white increase is due to anything other than Orthodox and Haredi Jewish hyper-fecundity in NYC.

    Same here. Plus, as far as I am aware, the Jewish population does not consider themselves white, but semitic. So that’s another element that isn’t being captured in the statistics.

    • Replies: @biz
    Nope the Orthodox are fine with being classified as white. They're not that interested in race actually, just Jewish vs. not.
  44. @Yan Shen
    I think one of the original inspirations for this fire and ice dichotomy was the uh notorious racist black studies professor Leonard Jeffries' assertion that whites were ice people who were violent and cruel while blacks were sun people who were warm and compassionate. In actuality, this statement is somewhat off the mark. As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality, the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    Focusing merely on the absurdly high rates of African American crime tends to obscure what I believe to be the rather interesting distinction between disorganized violence directed wantonly towards others within one's own community and systematic organized violence sanctioned by the state and applied ruthlessly towards designated out-groups. But alas I digress.

    Today, we have another great metaphor for fire and ice through George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. For instance, you've heard me on Unz refer to the existential song of ice and fire that whites and blacks in this country seemingly believe themselves to be a part of. I've highlighted how men like John Derbyshire are essentially the white counterpart to someone like Ta Nehisi Coates, albeit with a broader body of written work, as I'm sure Derb and his supporters will be quick to point out. I even pointed out the ultimate uh John Derbyshire sighting, in case anyone failed to catch it before. Truly Olympian form Derb!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvt-S-pcN4

    What's the end game of this Game of Thrones between fire and ice? My guess is that America will eventually become a more functional version of Brazil in the long run, 50 to 100 years out.

    You’re right. In fifty years both the U.S. and Europe will be overrun by vibrant black and brown bodies. An elite class composed of both synthetic and organic materials will attempt to manage the chaos that vibrancy brings from protected enclaves.

  45. @biz
    I would be shocked if the white increase is due to anything other than Orthodox and Haredi Jewish hyper-fecundity in NYC.

    Will all these kids grow up to be left-wing commies? Or are they more likely to be deplorables?

    • Replies: @biz
    Neither. Orthodox and Haredi are a world unto themselves.

    The (Modern) Orthodox tend to be highly educated and productive in careers, but also very family oriented, marrying and having kids quite early, and centering their lives around religion. So they're neither SWPL or deplorable, but take a few elements from both.

    The Haredim are not educated and tend not to do anything but interact within their own communities. They become baby factories at age 18 and consume a lot of welfare, and vote in blocks at the command of their rabbis for the candidates promising the most gibs. But unlike the rest of America's welfare class there is no single motherhood. They don't own televisions or associate with outsiders. So they don't fit into any of our modern personality/political categories.
  46. The Crown Heights riot was a three-day racial riot that occurred from August 19 to August 21, 1991 in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York City.

  47. Meanwhile, gentrification is also doing its job to reduce fertility rates of NYC further and further. If the trend continues, it will soon reach the all time low of 1.4 children per woman the Big Apple had in the 1930s:

    From the late 1960s to 1994, the year before Rudy Giuliani tidied up the city, NYCs fertility rate was close to the American average.

  48. @Tiny Duck
    Why don bite people support pedophiles like Roy Moore and Jean Francois Garieoy?

    Why don bite people support pedophiles

    So, are your don bite people related to Clyde’s ding bat people? As for the pedophiles, are those the bike-riding hipsters or pedestrians? I’m losting track.

  49. @Amanuensis
    Same here. Plus, as far as I am aware, the Jewish population does not consider themselves white, but semitic. So that's another element that isn't being captured in the statistics.

    Nope the Orthodox are fine with being classified as white. They’re not that interested in race actually, just Jewish vs. not.

  50. From Lazy Glossophiliac’s blog

    Glossy should blog more.

  51. @stillCARealist
    Will all these kids grow up to be left-wing commies? Or are they more likely to be deplorables?

    Neither. Orthodox and Haredi are a world unto themselves.

    The (Modern) Orthodox tend to be highly educated and productive in careers, but also very family oriented, marrying and having kids quite early, and centering their lives around religion. So they’re neither SWPL or deplorable, but take a few elements from both.

    The Haredim are not educated and tend not to do anything but interact within their own communities. They become baby factories at age 18 and consume a lot of welfare, and vote in blocks at the command of their rabbis for the candidates promising the most gibs. But unlike the rest of America’s welfare class there is no single motherhood. They don’t own televisions or associate with outsiders. So they don’t fit into any of our modern personality/political categories.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman

    So they don’t fit into any of our modern personality/political categories
     
    But they do fit into my personal category of worthless, sponging, bone-idle, workshy, non-productive anti-social losers (also known as 'Parasites'). No wonder Israel needs hundreds of billions of US dollars in freebie handouts every year to keep their welfare economy for such "spiritual" Jews afloat.

    And the Jews on Capitol Hill make sure that America keeps it coming even unto the n-th generation.

    When will Whites wake up ?
  52. @JSM
    If we White people are so badass, so excellent at organized violence and brutality, as Yannie tells us, you'd think these idiots would stop vexing us, out of sheer self-preservation.

    You used “vexed.” Now THAT is Derbian.

  53. @Tiny Duck
    Why don bite people support pedophiles like Roy Moore and Jean Francois Garieoy?

    Ohs Tinys…..agin wit teh “don bite” peeples! Anys ways don slander our luv Tinys! Donts makes Lentert go all Ike to yo Tinas!

    – Lentert “ teh relucktent di-slip-inarian” Pitz

    • LOL: Corn
    • Replies: @Clyde
    Ike and Tina Turner...She's living to a ripe old age in Switzerland, married to a white guy 20+ years younger. Is a Buddhist too? She's made her money so can kick back and relax at age 78. She looks part native American to me.

    And what's with tin duckie not giving any love no more to the verysmartbrothas.com? That's racist!

  54. anon • Disclaimer says:

    A question on birthrates generally in U.S. (Not NYC). What may be the reason for blacks to have similar TFR as whites rather than Hispanics? Is high TFR of Hispanics (the vector driving the future of U.S. from Anglo to Hispanic culture) an artifact of them being immigrants or cultural? (being Catholics? But TFR is low in Italy, Spain, Ireland, France, Poland etc.,)

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Hispanophones from South America practice Catholicism hypocritically: they fornicate like rabbits but contraception and abortion are virtually unpracticed. The Catholic Europeans you cite by and large practice contraception and, indeed, are Catholic (and Christian) only nominally. Thus the difference. (Negroes and other actual – i.e., white –Americans are of course by and large now godless heathens, even if they go to church and otherwise pantomime things....)
  55. @Yan Shen
    I think one of the original inspirations for this fire and ice dichotomy was the uh notorious racist black studies professor Leonard Jeffries' assertion that whites were ice people who were violent and cruel while blacks were sun people who were warm and compassionate. In actuality, this statement is somewhat off the mark. As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality, the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    Focusing merely on the absurdly high rates of African American crime tends to obscure what I believe to be the rather interesting distinction between disorganized violence directed wantonly towards others within one's own community and systematic organized violence sanctioned by the state and applied ruthlessly towards designated out-groups. But alas I digress.

    Today, we have another great metaphor for fire and ice through George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones. For instance, you've heard me on Unz refer to the existential song of ice and fire that whites and blacks in this country seemingly believe themselves to be a part of. I've highlighted how men like John Derbyshire are essentially the white counterpart to someone like Ta Nehisi Coates, albeit with a broader body of written work, as I'm sure Derb and his supporters will be quick to point out. I even pointed out the ultimate uh John Derbyshire sighting, in case anyone failed to catch it before. Truly Olympian form Derb!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvt-S-pcN4

    What's the end game of this Game of Thrones between fire and ice? My guess is that America will eventually become a more functional version of Brazil in the long run, 50 to 100 years out.

    What level of organization do you think the rape of Nanking was?

    I’d have to place Genghis Khan’s Mongols in the Ice Zone. They were pretty methodical when they wanted to be.

  56. The ultimate stage of gentrification is white people have their teenage daughters walk to school at the local public high school…

    …unarmed.

  57. @Sarah Toga
    My late uncle, a Methodist of English-Scots descent, an artillery company officer - forward observer during WWII and a highly respected man in his community all his life - witnessed the captives and saw the piles of the dead - at the slave labor/death camps his unit liberated near the end of WWII.

    Dead how, sister Sarah? Clumsiness? Old age? Disease? Starvation? Abusive overwork? Or a combination of the above? Even Dimbleby couldn’t explain exactly how. They were just “there”, and helluva skinny and dried.

    Maybe the piles of corpses in Hamburg were actually incinerated by Martians, while us “English-Scots” (you mean middle- or upper-class Scot, or dreadfully failed Englishman) were otherwise distracted.
    Now there’s a thought.
    Deserves looking into, like all the rest of it. I’ve still got my trowel. And some old-fashioned context sheets, if that’s any help.

    • Disagree: ic1000
  58. I think one of the original inspirations for this fire and ice dichotomy was the uh notorious racist black studies professor Leonard Jeffries’ assertion that whites were ice people who were violent and cruel while blacks were sun people who were warm and compassionate. In actuality, this statement is somewhat off the mark. As I pointed out elsewhere, while blacks today tend to excel at disorganized violence and brutality, whites have tended to excel historically at organized violence and brutality, the Holocaust of course being organized violence and brutality par excellence.

    Blacks excel Whites at organized murder, too. The death rate of the Rwandan Genocide handily exceeded that of the shoah. And the Hutus did it on a shoestring budget. No trains, no camps, just machetes and AKs.

    Oh, and the Chinese did a far better job of exterminating the Dzungars than the Germans did on the Jews.

    P.S., getting the first comment on a frequent basis means you’re a weirdo.

    My late uncle, a Methodist of English-Scots descent, an artillery company officer – forward observer during WWII and a highly respected man in his community all his life – witnessed the captives and saw the piles of the dead – at the slave labor/death camps his unit liberated near the end of WWII.

    I doubt he saw 12m corpses.

  59. It’s very rich sauce, a Chinaman lecturing Europeans about brutality – I can’t take more than a few bites. East Asia is legendary for the cheapness of human life, historically speaking. I seem to recall practices of mutilation like castration and foot binding playing a much bigger role in Chinese history than in European. As for East Asians in general, as somebody else mentioned, the Mongols took the cake. They murdered somewhere in the neighborhood of 9 to 12 percent of the world’s population.

  60. @biz
    Neither. Orthodox and Haredi are a world unto themselves.

    The (Modern) Orthodox tend to be highly educated and productive in careers, but also very family oriented, marrying and having kids quite early, and centering their lives around religion. So they're neither SWPL or deplorable, but take a few elements from both.

    The Haredim are not educated and tend not to do anything but interact within their own communities. They become baby factories at age 18 and consume a lot of welfare, and vote in blocks at the command of their rabbis for the candidates promising the most gibs. But unlike the rest of America's welfare class there is no single motherhood. They don't own televisions or associate with outsiders. So they don't fit into any of our modern personality/political categories.

    So they don’t fit into any of our modern personality/political categories

    But they do fit into my personal category of worthless, sponging, bone-idle, workshy, non-productive anti-social losers (also known as ‘Parasites’). No wonder Israel needs hundreds of billions of US dollars in freebie handouts every year to keep their welfare economy for such “spiritual” Jews afloat.

    And the Jews on Capitol Hill make sure that America keeps it coming even unto the n-th generation.

    When will Whites wake up ?

    • Replies: @biz

    No wonder Israel needs hundreds of billions of US dollars in freebie handouts every year to keep their welfare economy for such “spiritual” Jews afloat.
     
    Why not just say a hundred million trillion bajillion dollars per year if you are going to pull numbers out of your ass?

    US annual aid to Israel amounts to about 1.5% of Israel's GDP. Israel does not need freebie handouts as you put it to keep their economy afloat. The Haredim who don't work are indeed a drain on the economy and social services, but because Israel has such a high-tech, high value export-oriented economy, they can absorb it (for now).

    And the Jews on Capitol Hill make sure that America keeps it coming even unto the n-th generation.
     
    The Jews on Capitol Hill amount to 8 in the Senate and around 40-50 in the House (I'm sorry if you've been fooled by these laughable lists circulating who claim that everyone from Donald Rumsfeld to Nancy Pelosi is Jewish) so it is clearly not Jews on Capitol Hill who are keeping American support for Israel going by themselves. Our representatives support Israel because the people do.
  61. @fish

    Ohs Tinys.....agin wit teh “don bite” peeples! Anys ways don slander our luv Tinys! Donts makes Lentert go all Ike to yo Tinas!


    - Lentert “ teh relucktent di-slip-inarian” Pitz
     

    Ike and Tina Turner…She’s living to a ripe old age in Switzerland, married to a white guy 20+ years younger. Is a Buddhist too? She’s made her money so can kick back and relax at age 78. She looks part native American to me.

    And what’s with tin duckie not giving any love no more to the verysmartbrothas.com? That’s racist!

  62. @FKA Max
    Important to factor in the child mortality rate:

    Child Mortality

    https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ourworldindata_screen-shot-2015-08-01-at-13.27.45.png

    Source: https://www.mapsofworld.com/africa/thematic/countries-by-birth-rate.html

    Precisely.

  63. @anon
    A question on birthrates generally in U.S. (Not NYC). What may be the reason for blacks to have similar TFR as whites rather than Hispanics? Is high TFR of Hispanics (the vector driving the future of U.S. from Anglo to Hispanic culture) an artifact of them being immigrants or cultural? (being Catholics? But TFR is low in Italy, Spain, Ireland, France, Poland etc.,)

    Hispanophones from South America practice Catholicism hypocritically: they fornicate like rabbits but contraception and abortion are virtually unpracticed. The Catholic Europeans you cite by and large practice contraception and, indeed, are Catholic (and Christian) only nominally. Thus the difference. (Negroes and other actual – i.e., white –Americans are of course by and large now godless heathens, even if they go to church and otherwise pantomime things….)

  64. @Dave Bowman

    So they don’t fit into any of our modern personality/political categories
     
    But they do fit into my personal category of worthless, sponging, bone-idle, workshy, non-productive anti-social losers (also known as 'Parasites'). No wonder Israel needs hundreds of billions of US dollars in freebie handouts every year to keep their welfare economy for such "spiritual" Jews afloat.

    And the Jews on Capitol Hill make sure that America keeps it coming even unto the n-th generation.

    When will Whites wake up ?

    No wonder Israel needs hundreds of billions of US dollars in freebie handouts every year to keep their welfare economy for such “spiritual” Jews afloat.

    Why not just say a hundred million trillion bajillion dollars per year if you are going to pull numbers out of your ass?

    US annual aid to Israel amounts to about 1.5% of Israel’s GDP. Israel does not need freebie handouts as you put it to keep their economy afloat. The Haredim who don’t work are indeed a drain on the economy and social services, but because Israel has such a high-tech, high value export-oriented economy, they can absorb it (for now).

    And the Jews on Capitol Hill make sure that America keeps it coming even unto the n-th generation.

    The Jews on Capitol Hill amount to 8 in the Senate and around 40-50 in the House (I’m sorry if you’ve been fooled by these laughable lists circulating who claim that everyone from Donald Rumsfeld to Nancy Pelosi is Jewish) so it is clearly not Jews on Capitol Hill who are keeping American support for Israel going by themselves. Our representatives support Israel because the people do.

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