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At economist Arnold Kling’s Ask Blog, a contest:

The top 150 intellectuals, selected competitively

Posted on March 29, 2021 by Arnold Kling

We held the Fantasy Intellectual Teams draft on Saturday. 10 owners competed. The owners came from the readership of this blog, and they themselves are not public figures in any way. The intellectuals they chose are shown below in the order they were selected. …

Scoring for this season, which starts April 1 and ends June 30, is based on three categories:

(M) memes. These are phrases that are associated with a certain intellectual. For example, Black Swan is associated with Taleb (pick 31). If during the season the term Black Swan is used in at least three prominent places (well-known podcast or blog, newspaper, new book), that scores one M for Taleb. No more than one M per season for each catch-phrase. Richard Dawkins, who coined the term “meme,” was not chosen, although picking him would have guaranteed his owner at least one meme point.

(B) bets. An intellectual scores a B by expressing a belief in quantitative probabilistic terms. Oddly enough, Annie Duke, who would be credited with a meme if the phrase “Thinking in Bets” were to appear three times during the season, was not selected, either.

(S) steel-manning.

I.e., the opposite of constructing a straw-man argument.

The intellectual presents a point of view with which he or she disagrees in a way that someone who holds that point of view would consider to be representative. It is the opposite of straw-manning. I believe that Peter Thiel (pick 70) coined the term, or at least popularized it, and his owner is all but certain to pick up an M point. S’s are most likely to be earned by bloggers and podcasters and least likely to be earned by tweets or political speeches. They are more likely to be earned by centrists than by hard-core Red or Blue team members.

… I think that for next season I would add a category (R), for summarizing the research on two (or more) sides of a controversial issue. I would score one R for every 2 examples. I don’t want to give away an R to someone who just looks at research on a single topic during the season. Adding the (R) category would make Tyler and Scott even stronger candidates.

1 Joe Rogan
2 Tyler Cowen
3 Joel Kotkin
4 Scott Alexander*
5 Russ Roberts
6 Steve Sailer
7 John Cochrane
8 Coleman Hughes
9 Matt Yglesias
10 Sam Harris
11 Noah Smith
12 Glenn Greenwald
13 Martin Gurri
14 Jordan Peterson
15 Brett Weinstein
16 Matt Stoller
17 John McWhorter
18 Matt Ridley
19 Lex Fridman
20 Heather Heying
21 Roger Kimball
22 Glenn Loury
23 Jonathan Haidt
24 Eric Weinstein
25 Wilfred Reilly …

So, I was the #6 draft pick out of 150 selectees.

Unfortunately, I don’t think I will score well for whichever team drafted me. Granted, I’ve been around a long time, so I’ve built up an inventory of catch phrases that other people occasionally use. But, my turn of mind seems to be anti-viral, so almost none of the seemingly clever terms I’ve thought up have ever spread quickly. (A few have spread slowly, but my mindset is basically orthogonal to the popular one, so my catchphrases only catch on if they’ve proven valid over many years.)

Second, I don’t like bets about the future very much. I have a hard enough time noticing the present. My usual forecast is that the future will be like the present, only more so. For example, I would bet that between now and the end of the year, the Woke will dream up a whole new reason for canceling a white individual with a good job that will seem absurd when first trotted out, but by the end of the year will strike everybody as routine whaddaya-whaddaya.

Third, I’m not that excited about steelmanning — rewriting somebody’s argument to be better than he made it himself. Almost everybody I take on has some institutional influence (a few are famous freelancers like Taleb). The New York Times has lots of money to pay for writers and editors to say it the way they want it said.

What I often do is point out the valid point that somebody is making if most people are overlooking it. For example, consider my profiles of Foucault and Said referenced below. Foucault had plenty of opportunities to express himself fully. If he left his meaning unclear at times, it was no doubt because he felt it prudent to not say explicitly the stupid things he was encouraging his disciples to believe for fear that he would be made fun of for spelling it out. So I’m not going to go out of my way to rewrite Foucault.

In contrast, in Orientalism, Said said something brave, but almost nobody noticed this perfectly reasonable and normal gripe he was sore about. So, I will gladly explain in my brusque way the heart of Said’s complaint: European intellectual sex tourists, especially gay ones like Foucault, should keep their filthy hands off our Arab boys and girls and stay the hell out of the Arab world.

 
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  1. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:

    Congratulations, Steve. Well deserved. You are truly amazing. We probably all take you a little bit for granted.

    Heartiste should be up there in the Top 10, too.

    When you write sometimes that you figured out the basic logic of the 21st Century, is that something you would be comfortable spelling out to us? Have you ever set it out in basic terms? Pardon me if I have missed it.

    By the way, I think this description of your commends section could be improved upon, from a marketing standpoint:

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, complete with a massive comments section

    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anonymous

    "You are truly amazing."

    What's truly amazing is the following: "You come to care about Vlad Dracula, despite all those impalements. He was a man under extreme pressure ... it's not like the rulers of the other areas were squeaky clean examples."

    Romanians will justify anything.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

     

    The world-market leading iSteve-Enterprises are proud to present our kandy-kolored tangerine-flake streamline of consciousness comment section the likes of which nobody has ever seen before - Come on in - you're welcome!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Anonymous

    A yuuuuge, beautiful comment section featuring the greatest, most talented commenters ever.

    , @jon
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?
     
    He claims to personally review and approve all of the comments, so why not some trendy buzzwords like "bespoke," "craft," or "small batch"?

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, featuring a bespoke comment section where each contribution is carefully chosen to create a small-batch, craft dialogue experience!
     

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @J.Ross, @Lurker

  2. The top 150 intellectuals, selected competitively

    Cool, can’t wait to see the list …

    1 Joe Rogan

    WTF?

    And I am even a fan of his show (or at least I was before he went on Spotify), but the top intellectual? Even with the weird scoring system they have set up, I can’t imagine him being a good pick. He just gets high and has interesting people walk him through their stuff.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @jon


    And I am even a fan of his show (or at least I was before he went on Spotify), but the top intellectual? Even with the weird scoring system they have set up, I can’t imagine him being a good pick. He just gets high and has interesting people walk him through their stuff.
     
    Also, how to present a tremendous amount of interesting stuff efficiently...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Captain Tripps
    @jon

    My reaction as well; Rogan is certainly entertaining, but "intellectual"? And I'm not fond of the term intellectual to begin with...

    , @Mj
    @jon

    WTF is exactly what I thought!

    I once tried watching Rogan’s show. I lasted less than five minutes. His program is meant for dudes and bros who want to put on airs.

  3. Wow, good job, Steve. Your ability to influence despite an unofficial ban on your writing has always inspired me.

    Here’s to another couple decades of iSteve.

  4. (S) steel-manning…

    It is the opposite of straw-manning.

    4 Scott Alexander*

    (Ford) Frickin’ A!

    “I regret that I have butt one * for my country.”– Nathan Hale

    But, my turn of mind seems to be anti-viral…

    As opposed to retroviral?

    Second, I don’t like bets about the future very much.

    As opposed to bets about the past? Come to think of it, Bonham’s, Christie’s and Sotheby’s make a fortune on those. But they’re the house. Of course they would.

    Bonham’s recently got $7m for La fête d’anniversaire

    https://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2018-07/25/24782513-1-8.jpg&top=0.048888888888&left=0.073333333333&bottom=0.928888888888&right=0.916666666666&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1

    …which looks like the work of a Gallic Cassius Marcellus Coolidge, but is by Léonard Tsuguharu Foujita, a.k.a Adolf Nipler:

  5. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Glenn Loury is phenomenal at being able to state his opponent’s argument in detail, and with all his opponent’s emotion. He listens very, very closely without interrupting. Then he states a better version of his opponent’s argument than the opponent did. He often is aware of more data or support for his opponent’s argument than his opponent is. Sometimes he is almost crying or screaming with emotion in stating his opponent’s argument, an Oscar-level performance. Then he presents his own argument and view.

    • Replies: @res
    @Anon

    That is a great concise description of steel-manning. Can you recommend any specific spots in videos where he does that?

    Contrast your description with this somewhat longer but IMHO less effective explanation.
    https://constantrenewal.com/steel-man/

    , @Tom Grey
    @Anon

    I chose Steve first - Glenn third. Expect he'll score lots of points. But also think Steve will, tho he says here he might not.

  6. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    I notice that the 25 listed intellectuals are all right wing, or IDW, or “I’m a classical liberal, just a while back I would have been on the left-fringe, the world has gone crazy!”

    There are no really left-wing people on the list. Is Arnold Kling right wing, attracting right-wing readers?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Anon

    Greenwald, Ygelsias and Alexander are right wing? And back when I still read PJ media I remember Kimball to be a neocon.

    Replies: @Anon

  7. From a baseball point of view, will intellectual swinging for the fences with big ideas beat lots of little points of critique? Will the great writers be more valuable players than the skilled debaters? Will verbal batting be more important than logical pitching?

    Will there be hot dogs and beer?

    Steve should get a shirt with the number 6 on it.

    Go Sailer!

    • Agree: Captain Tripps
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    From a baseball point of view, will intellectual swinging for the fences with big ideas beat lots of little points of critique?
     
    It was a blustery day at the village playground. The only respite from the 25+ mph wind was in the visitors' dugout of the adjacent ballfield. I sat there reading, and reading about, Saul Alinsky, wishing I was at the plate-- that wind blew right over the right-field fence, so tempting for a lefty hitter.

    We'd brought a soccer ball, but it was much too windy. Ironically, a bunch of "Latinos" were playing basketball. Fusion.
    , @MBlanc46
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No. 6, yeah! That was my Pony league number. Stan Musial’s and Al Kaline’s, too.

  8. We let you take out Kotkin in a preliminary bout. Then we move on King Rogan himself. He’s old and flabby. I think you can take him. …A little training in the thin mountain air. You’re the new champ.

  9. Some duds on that list. “Smokin’ Joe Rogan” the top intellectual? At first glance this lineup stands out for its verbal and written incontinence. Why aren’t Ibram X and Ta Nehisi on the list?

    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Tertius

    Why aren’t Ibram X and Ta Nehisi on the list?

    Because they aren't intellectuals.

  10. Unfortunately, I don’t think I will score well for whichever team drafted me. Granted, I’ve been around a long time, so I’ve built up an inventory of catch phrases that other people occasionally use.

    Judging by the list, I’d say you have little to worry or be sorry about.

  11. Does “Steel-Manning” have anything to do with a cage match and folding chairs?

    Asking for a friend!

  12. I Was Drafted #6

    [MORE]

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/sailer-german-schnaps-shot-glasses-1875889298

    https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0717/06/sailer-german-schnaps-shot-glasses_1_38aa45f942a041266dc15ce7bd0c1202.jpg

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://11pt5z46nuudt9qxx2knwgff-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/FvckCovid-Ale-Asylum-1024x461.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  13. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I Was Drafted #6
     

    https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/dec45f44-01a0-428f-98a9-a30f025976fa_2.e225aaeec91d3c173a503da69fe8c088.jpeg

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Reg Cæsar

  14. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I Was Drafted #6
     

    https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/dec45f44-01a0-428f-98a9-a30f025976fa_2.e225aaeec91d3c173a503da69fe8c088.jpeg

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Reg Cæsar

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    Totally off topic, but since you posted that, here is an energy drink I discovered in Romania:
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/whFEB9T8r04/maxresdefault.jpg

    See why I love these people?

    (It's tastes like Red Bull, as I recall, and it's commonly available in stores.)

    Some other things are crap, though:


    https://external-preview.redd.it/e8dYCBKl1RY62JJ3iSa8oAkzkW_W0w5TpmGIIFHhphI.jpg?auto=webp&s=49cab648086e576789c7292b032bffb136634d25

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    FVCK COVID
    4% PILSNER
     
    In retrospect it’s amazing how effectively Donald Trump singlehandedly promoted, across many media platforms, the meme connecting the Chinese with the Corona virus.

    Apparently no one else made the connection, but now the Blacks have figured it out, and are attempting, in their rudimentary brutal fashion, to Stop Asian Hate.


    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxbusiness.com/foxbusiness.com/content/uploads/2020/01/0/0/corona-beer-china-virus-Getty-AP.jpg

    https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/30162654/Corona-Beer-Virus-Feature-Image.jpg

    https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox2detroit.com/www.fox2detroit.com/content/uploads/2020/01/932/524/94c73b8b-coronavirus.jpg

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DD-COMPOSITE-CORONA-BEER.jpg

    https://i.insider.com/5e31682d5bc79c7d6f244b62?.jpg

    https://www.cdn.tv2.no/images/11173479.jpg?imageId=11173479&width=1200&height=630

    https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/01/24/16/gettyimages-170139021.v1-0.jpg

    Replies: @AnonymousNameChange

  15. Sailer has KKKrazy fans:

    And a great team:

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That photo of the fans tracking strikeouts is funny. There are 4 sets of 3 K's, is that an ultra secret, hidden uber white supremo message broadcast to the gazillions of crypto-Nazis on the dark side of the moon? Also, the vaguely Asian-ish gal laughing heartily in the center just above the line of K's...nah, maybe its just an epic 3rd PLA trolling job to insert anti-White worm message in the collective hindbrain. Or that's what the Borg Queen is broadcasting in my brain implant. I am Locutus...

    https://dygtyjqp7pi0m.cloudfront.net/i/20282/19782545_3.jpg?v=8D147F2FC41A990

  16. @Buzz Mohawk
    From a baseball point of view, will intellectual swinging for the fences with big ideas beat lots of little points of critique? Will the great writers be more valuable players than the skilled debaters? Will verbal batting be more important than logical pitching?

    Will there be hot dogs and beer?

    Steve should get a shirt with the number 6 on it.

    Go Sailer!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MBlanc46

    From a baseball point of view, will intellectual swinging for the fences with big ideas beat lots of little points of critique?

    It was a blustery day at the village playground. The only respite from the 25+ mph wind was in the visitors’ dugout of the adjacent ballfield. I sat there reading, and reading about, Saul Alinsky, wishing I was at the plate– that wind blew right over the right-field fence, so tempting for a lefty hitter.

    We’d brought a soccer ball, but it was much too windy. Ironically, a bunch of “Latinos” were playing basketball. Fusion.

  17. We held the Fantasy Intellectual Teams draft on Saturday. 10 owners competed. The owners came from the readership of this blog, and they themselves are not public figures in any way.

    Owners. That’s funny. Of course most public intellectuals do have owners – a few excepted naturally (like our host) – but they are the wealthy patrons who pay for thier opinions.

    • Replies: @Tom Grey
    @Mr. Anon

    I'm that Sam-I-Am Team owner (/chooser of 15 intellectuals to be on my team) who chose Steve first.
    I actually hope others form other leagues with different scoring systems.

    I'm pretty sure a bigger focus on Truth would be helpful to society. And Steve.

  18. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://11pt5z46nuudt9qxx2knwgff-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/FvckCovid-Ale-Asylum-1024x461.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Totally off topic, but since you posted that, here is an energy drink I discovered in Romania:

    [MORE]

    See why I love these people?

    (It’s tastes like Red Bull, as I recall, and it’s commonly available in stores.)

    Some other things are crap, though:

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That stuff is fish roe, isn't it? My great aunt used to make a sort of rakott krumpli with it.

  19. Time to analyze the last names of these top 150 intellectuals.

  20. Steel-manning: “The intellectual presents a point of view with which he or she disagrees in a way that someone who holds that point of view would consider to be representative. It is the opposite of straw-manning.”

    this term comes to us from star slate codex’s scott alexander, posting on the rationalist site lesswrong. and note that this definition is actually incorrect! to properly steelman your opponent’s arguments, you do *not* construct a representative argument, but rather the strongest possible form of your opponent’s arguments.

  21. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    https://11pt5z46nuudt9qxx2knwgff-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/FvckCovid-Ale-Asylum-1024x461.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    FVCK COVID
    4% PILSNER

    In retrospect it’s amazing how effectively Donald Trump singlehandedly promoted, across many media platforms, the meme connecting the Chinese with the Corona virus.

    Apparently no one else made the connection, but now the Blacks have figured it out, and are attempting, in their rudimentary brutal fashion, to Stop Asian Hate.

    • LOL: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @AnonymousNameChange
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    My guess is that a substantial portion of the "surge" in black on Asian crime is simply the result of it being more or less covered for the first time. I think there's a good chance that the surge in coverage could result in a much more significant and real surge in actual attacks, however. With Asians getting their moment in the sun as a prominent victim class, they are moving in on black turf. There probably won't be any way of testing or tracking this, but my guess would be that more coverage of Anti-Asian HATE! will result in more attacks on Asians, and especially if the black role in the phenomenon is given even the slightest bit of oxygen.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  22. What world are they talking about? The hard Left owns all the discourse and memes. The rest of these guys are only interesting to independent minded White guys who basically keep to themselves.

    The only powerful counter-narrative memes were terms like anti-white and white genocide which were pushed hard for years and did impact the culture.

    But fellas like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tyler Cowen and Bret Weinstein basically provide fun but pointless intellectual stimulation for a bunch of White guys who want to feel engaged without any risk.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @RichardTaylor


    But fellas like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tyler Cowen and Bret Weinstein basically provide fun but pointless intellectual stimulation for a bunch of White guys who want to feel engaged without any risk.
     
    They're all pro-free-speech. - So - - unless free speech is whitey acting as if he would be progressive: They are all real.

    Jordan Peterson is a man who did take lots of risks (personal risks too (think of climate change, think of IQ, think of the transgender-shenanigans he feverishly opposed)), as are Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan.
    , @SFG
    @RichardTaylor

    I'd say there's a dynamic where the Petersons and the Rogans reach more moderate people and the anti-white, white genocide, etc. memes reach people further right. Of course there's overlap. Most movements have moderate and extreme/radical wings. The radical wing can sometimes push people to compromise with the moderate wing out of fear--this dynamic worked mostly on the left in the past century, though.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  23. • Replies: @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    There's nothing but trash here.

    , @Captain Tripps
    @MEH 0910

    Opinions on beer (and whiskey and bourbon and...) are like a**holes. Everyone has one. And then they turned to the 15,234th "taste journalist" for his opinion on beer. Because they couldn't get a solid read from the previous 15,233.

    Although I must say, the person who created that quad graph put Rolling Rock in the upper right, when it actually is in the lower left...and Coors Light is just barely in the upper right as well. Quoting my young son who just sampled some recently, "Dad, how can anybody drink this pi**??"

    , @Bill
    @MEH 0910

    This graph would be more interesting as overall sales against sales to 21-year-old males and would at least sort of get at the same thing. As Captain Tripps points out, as it is, it's just some goof journalist's weird ideas.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @MEH 0910

    MEH, first beer I ever had, as a pre teen at a family picnic, was a Rolling Rock in their "pony" bottle, in other words a split. Just bought two eight packs today.

    , @petit bourgeois
    @MEH 0910

    I think this is the same food critic who did a similar chart on instant noodles and other food items for the LAT.

    My grandmother used to drink Coors Light every evening. When we would go to Vegas we called them "road sodas" speeding north on the I-15 with a loaded cooler full of "silver bullets" and bologna sandwiches. I find them to be quite palatable.

    While technically not "beer," Mickey's Big Mouth should be up there. But then they would have to rate every other domestic malt liquor.

    My favorite domestic beer has always been Heileman's Special Export, still brewed by Pabst but very hard if not impossible to find. It's the closest thing to German beer you'll ever find.

  24. Congratulations, bro. Well-earned.

    Do you know what we need?

    We need a Steve Sailer trading card.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That must be his rookie card.

  25. Congratulations!

    You’re probably right about not scoring a point, but i don’t think you’re “anti-viral” because you’re orthogonal to current thinking. It’s that you’re directly opposed to it and dangerous to it so that you’re actively ignored by those aware of you on the other side. You’re saying something (esp with the IQ HBD stuff) that once understood is quite compelling and just antithetical to the wokesters and CRT.

    Since (afaik) you don’t currently have a mainstream following “they” can ignore you 99% of the time and just shout “SPLC sez he’s white supremacist the other 1%” and hope that you don’t attract any more attention. Basically the same sort of thing that Ron Unz points out/claims that Unz Review suffers from: a sort of shadow censorship by agreeing that nobody should mention it. OTOH those who would be allies don’t seem to quote you either for fear of being painted with the “white supremacist” brush, as unfair as that is.

    • Replies: @Tom Grey
    @vhrm

    "It’s that you’re directly opposed to it and dangerous to it so that you’re actively ignored by those aware of you on the other side."

    I really like that Steve is unmentionably anti-PC by so many others, who refuse to see the truth.

  26. 1. the only woman on the list is bret weinstein’s wife.
    2. joe rogan an intellectual?

    I’m thinking no. That’s like saying Johnny Carson was an intellectual. In the best recreational drug book series ever put together, Dale Pendell covers near every drug. He covers ayahuasca / DMT. In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.

    Joe Rogan thinks everybody should do it. Joe is a special kind of raving idiot.

    Here is the (1st) book:

    They not only have the best content, but they also are beautiful books. Absolute works of art. They look terrific on your book shelves!

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Morton's toes

    I know people in Europe who did ayahuasca--it's legal there--and it doesn't sound like a recreational drug. The experience always included vomiting and diarrhea, and sometimes horrifying visions that could last for hours. It wasn't euphoric, they found it beneficial in another way.

    Replies: @anon, @sayless

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Morton's toes


    In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.
     
    2% Positive is far too small and can't be right, but I can imagine 33% having frightening experiences.

    I did ayahuasca (or should I say it did me) three times. That was thirty years ago, and I liked it. I was with friends, and they liked it too. The situation, plus what one brings to it mentally, together determine how the experience will seem. Come to think of it, it's kind of like Steve Sailer's 50/50 nature/nurture ratio.

    Another good book about these things, which I read back then, is called From Chocolate to Morphine.


    https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1389559197l/110490.jpg

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Jim Christian

    , @petit bourgeois
    @Morton's toes

    I'd do ayahuasca again. The 2% number seems way too low, considering DMT is produced by the pineal glad and is the reason why we have dreams during REM sleep. It seems, anecdotally, that the only people who have a bad trip also have underlying mental demons.

    They're using it to treat PTSD and victims of sexual assault right now and I'm reading some positive benefits in a controlled environment. The only people I've ever seen have a bad trip from it were molested as children and letting go of that shit is a painful process.

    The ceremony itself is a surreal process, if you find a good shaman. People in the Amazon haven't been doing it for centuries because it's a bad thing.

    I wish Dr. Terence McKeena, the ultimate psychonaut, was around to still advocate for it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

    Replies: @Morton's toes

  27. Well done, Mr. Sailer! You should have been #1.

    • Replies: @wren
    @PiltdownMan

    I enjoy Rogan's shows sometimes, but he never strikes me as particularly intellectual.

  28. • Replies: @Wilkey
    @PiltdownMan

    Yet even as you want to sympathize with the Asian victims, you get this, from US House member Grace Meng (D-Taiwan):


    "Asian Americans for too long in this country have been shamefully scapegoated because of ignorant fear. That is the history of this country."
     
    She uses yet another assault by a fellow member of the Coalition of the Fringes on another member of the Coalition of the Fringes while three other members of the Coalition of the Fringes look on and do nothing...as yet another excuse to attack white people.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    , @MEH 0910
    @PiltdownMan

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1377147702639665154

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1377218752308207616

  29. Gad Saad made a point of using DIE for DEI on a recent Viva Frei/Robert Barnes YouTube podcast, so there’s a chance that that Sailerism will enter the lexicon. It’s possible he could have come up with it on his own, but my feeling was that he was a lurker around these parts.

  30. Congrats Steve

    And you are a true Man of Steel for tolerating your presence on any list which also includes MattY

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @HammerJack


    And you are a true Man of Steel for tolerating your presence on any list which also includes MattY
     
    True. But at least the mendacious toad Ezra Klein didn't make the cut.
  31. Congrats! You should be Top 5 for the last decade.

    BTW, Kling’s list is padded with increasingly irrelevant Jewish intellectuals. Eric Weinstein? Nate Silver? Tyler Cowen?

  32. As the Heidelbergian philosopher Hans-Georg Gadamer (Truth and Method) used to say: Over time, the good ones are clustering around the same ideas/ points of view / perspectives.

    Oh – congrats Steve Sailer!

    The fun part is the No. 1 for Joe Rogan. Plus, that they missed out on Douglas Murray.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Dieter Kief

    I was amused by the Joe Rogan spot but was reminded of a Jordan Peterson interview of a meeting of "Dark Web" intellectuals with Rogan included where "It wasn't immediately obvious that he wasn't the smartest person in the room" - I do like back-handed compliments.

    Rogan's great gift, it seems to me is honest open curiosity. An increasing rarity in these times for fear of what might be unearthed.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  33. Joe Rogan is America’s most foremost public intellectual. If you ever make it Steve, no doubt there will be plenty of stories about how being drafted five spots behind him gave you the fire needed to win seven Internet Polls.

  34. Steve,
    The only main-stream article that ever seemed to have given you the recognition you so richly deserve appeared in a 2017 issue of “New York Magazine”! Although purportedly there are more than a few journalists and academics who silently indulge/revel in your forbidden discourses.

  35. Meanwhile, a huge black man beats the hell out of an elderly Asian woman for being asian while a black security guard and the New York Times look on, while saying nothing:

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/29/asian-woman-seriously-injured-in-suspected-midtown-hate-crime/

  36. @PiltdownMan
    OT:


    Asian woman brutally beaten in suspected hate crime

     

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/29/asian-woman-seriously-injured-in-suspected-midtown-hate-crime/


     

    Replies: @Wilkey, @MEH 0910

    Yet even as you want to sympathize with the Asian victims, you get this, from US House member Grace Meng (D-Taiwan):

    “Asian Americans for too long in this country have been shamefully scapegoated because of ignorant fear. That is the history of this country.”

    She uses yet another assault by a fellow member of the Coalition of the Fringes on another member of the Coalition of the Fringes while three other members of the Coalition of the Fringes look on and do nothing…as yet another excuse to attack white people.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Wilkey

    @36 Wilkey: It's just more pathological altruism by the pseudo-intellectual commentariat here at Sailer's blog. It's fine to complain about nogger pathology - either against Whites or others - but to be explicitly pro-White is just so not done. That would be notsee. And then Jack D or Twinkie or Physicist Dave would have to explain, because Whites married to and procreating with Whites couldn't possibly speak up for themselves. That's extremism.

    Know who your people are. Save your sympathy for them. Use your resources for them. Advocate for them.

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Wilkey

    Grace Meng's father Jimmy was the first Asian-American to serve in the NY State Legislature. He was also the first Asian-American former Assembly member to be convicted of wire fraud.

  37. • Replies: @Bill
    @JohnnyWalker123

    No, it's not similar. You are comparing wildly different things. Weekly church attendance is much higher in the US than in Europe (like 3 times higher, depending on the country), though the map below annoyingly color-codes as if this is not true:

    https://comparecamp.com/media/uploads/2020/05/Global-Worship-Attendance-2008-2017.png

    The US is low but not Europe-low yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Bill Jones

    , @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Since America is importing non-Christians hand-over-fist, part of the "decline" is actually dilution by non-Christian populations. So, as usual, Fatty Yglecias is wrong: it's not "secularization", it's non-Christianization (Islamization, Hinduization, whatever East Asians believization).

    On the other hand, modern churches mostly just preach generic state/globohomo doctrine disguised as religion, so using church attendance as a proxy for the true Christian-ness is an increasingly poor proxy.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @epebble

  38. >intellectual number one is Joe Rogan
    [A worn-out shoe. This worn-out shoe is my response.]
    There’s a Josh Rogin who has written what is supposed to be an excellent and necessary book on US-China relations, Chaos Under Heaven.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    Thanks you for the (indirect, I guess) recommendation, Mr. Ross. I've got it on the way.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  39. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1146229570837729281

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjBnGNrXgAQ7k3O.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Captain Tripps, @Bill, @Buffalo Joe, @petit bourgeois

    There’s nothing but trash here.

  40. Brutal.

  41. 1 Joe Rogan

    Wow, just wow.

    • Replies: @AnonymousNameChange
    @Twinkie

    Joe Rogan is a lug head, but many picks in the draft seem to be a function of volume of content output. Rogan talks a lot, Steve posts a lot, etc. I didn't look too closely at the way it's structured but it seems pretty dumb and I feel bad for whoever is tasked with calculating points.

    , @BB753
    @Twinkie

    Yeah, in what universe can Joe Rogan be considered an intellectual?
    But I'm glad Matt Yglesias is ranked below Steve Sailer.

    , @Ganderson
    @Twinkie

    Joe? I’d have gone with Seth.

    Also are the Weinsteins Bobby and Dennis Hull? Joe and Dom DiMaggio? Gaylord and Jim Perry? Ken and George Brett? OK, I’ll stop now....

  42. No Kevin Barrett, Truth Jihadist? Controlled opposition!

  43. @PiltdownMan
    Well done, Mr. Sailer! You should have been #1.

    Replies: @wren

    I enjoy Rogan’s shows sometimes, but he never strikes me as particularly intellectual.

  44. @Twinkie

    1 Joe Rogan
     
    Wow, just wow.

    Replies: @AnonymousNameChange, @BB753, @Ganderson

    Joe Rogan is a lug head, but many picks in the draft seem to be a function of volume of content output. Rogan talks a lot, Steve posts a lot, etc. I didn’t look too closely at the way it’s structured but it seems pretty dumb and I feel bad for whoever is tasked with calculating points.

  45. @Twinkie

    1 Joe Rogan
     
    Wow, just wow.

    Replies: @AnonymousNameChange, @BB753, @Ganderson

    Yeah, in what universe can Joe Rogan be considered an intellectual?
    But I’m glad Matt Yglesias is ranked below Steve Sailer.

  46. @Dieter Kief
    As the Heidelbergian philosopher Hans-Georg Gadamer (Truth and Method) used to say: Over time, the good ones are clustering around the same ideas/ points of view / perspectives.

    Oh - congrats Steve Sailer!

    The fun part is the No. 1 for Joe Rogan. Plus, that they missed out on Douglas Murray.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I was amused by the Joe Rogan spot but was reminded of a Jordan Peterson interview of a meeting of “Dark Web” intellectuals with Rogan included where “It wasn’t immediately obvious that he wasn’t the smartest person in the room” – I do like back-handed compliments.

    Rogan’s great gift, it seems to me is honest open curiosity. An increasing rarity in these times for fear of what might be unearthed.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Bill Jones

    I

    Yes, Joe Rogan is open and nice (many media-people are this) - but he is rough and poignantly aggressive when necessary as well (and that is quite rare - especially the combination of the two)

    He - I like him. I like him a lot. He is smart and he is street-wise. Self-taught.
    He found no defense against Gavin McInnes. That was interesting. Gavin McInnes beat him hands down by going way over the top of the format taking him along on a very rough ride in the dark fields of personal sexual preferences.

    But he did land a cool victory over Alex Jones - even though it would still be true after long hours of talking in the highest intellectual circles that Alex Jones is amongst those in the very top and a decent stretch above Joe Rogan if raw intellectual horsepower would be most important. Thing is: Joe Rogan knows how (and when!) to fight, too. And he knows this way better than Alex Jones.

    So - it's not only that he is open and nice. I'd hold that the street-wise part is constitutional for Joe Rogan's success too and that this part does imply his capacity to fight - with words too. To be cool and - able to attack and thus beat the opponent, when necessary. He does have a bodily presence in his talks - and his humor is part of that. Humor is a thing that can't be separated from our bodily reactions.

    II

     Thus - Joe Rogan is immune to quite a lot of rationalizations (and other neurotic defense mechanisms) just because he knows his body well (and maybe even his soul - that's an interesting aspect of "this Joe  Rogan guy" too. - His openness to the spiritual (metaphysical) side of our existence (and our experiences). This also a remarkable quality of his mentality and helped him build the strong foundation of his character. 
    This ability of Joe Rogan - to balance Yin and Yang - or good and nasty, or love and aggression, soul and reason together with his respectable intellectual capabilities make him the missing link between atheists and spiritualists, between the brainy world of Pure Reason and the dirty world of the construction worker or the farmhand etc. In a way, Joe Rogan deserves this No. 1 position, because, in all his self-taught imperfection he - embodies something r<<ther sane - and quite American. (In an ideal world, Ron Unz would befriend him).

  47. I’ve arrived at a few cute slogans on my own but apparently they were too filthy or in such poor taste that they didn’t catch on. My crown jewel was The Alphabet Soup of Sexual Depravity, or, ASSD. I came up with it 30 years ago at a newly formed political lobby in DC we sold a phone system to, P-FLAG, or Parents and Families of Lesbians And Gays. As time went on, they kept adding letters, calling Accounting to add another letter to their name in our vender records every 6 months as Sexual Depravity continued to build and multiply. The girls in (my female-owned company’s) accounting used to howl with laughter and disdain at all this.

    Rogan 5 spots up on Sailerman? Sailer could easily do what Rogan does, Rogan couldn’t begin to do what Sailer does. That’s how I take the measure of who’s packing the greater intellectual gear over another. Without blowing sunshine up Steve’s kilt, I’ll take Sailerman, giving 3 points for 50 bucks.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Jim Christian

    I don't think Steve is constitutionally suited to sitting around talking to folks. I think a steady diet of blunts and hgh would probably kill him.

  48. @Bill Jones
    @Dieter Kief

    I was amused by the Joe Rogan spot but was reminded of a Jordan Peterson interview of a meeting of "Dark Web" intellectuals with Rogan included where "It wasn't immediately obvious that he wasn't the smartest person in the room" - I do like back-handed compliments.

    Rogan's great gift, it seems to me is honest open curiosity. An increasing rarity in these times for fear of what might be unearthed.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    I

    Yes, Joe Rogan is open and nice (many media-people are this) – but he is rough and poignantly aggressive when necessary as well (and that is quite rare – especially the combination of the two)

    He – I like him. I like him a lot. He is smart and he is street-wise. Self-taught.
    He found no defense against Gavin McInnes. That was interesting. Gavin McInnes beat him hands down by going way over the top of the format taking him along on a very rough ride in the dark fields of personal sexual preferences.

    But he did land a cool victory over Alex Jones – even though it would still be true after long hours of talking in the highest intellectual circles that Alex Jones is amongst those in the very top and a decent stretch above Joe Rogan if raw intellectual horsepower would be most important. Thing is: Joe Rogan knows how (and when!) to fight, too. And he knows this way better than Alex Jones.

    [MORE]

    So – it’s not only that he is open and nice. I’d hold that the street-wise part is constitutional for Joe Rogan’s success too and that this part does imply his capacity to fight – with words too. To be cool and – able to attack and thus beat the opponent, when necessary. He does have a bodily presence in his talks – and his humor is part of that. Humor is a thing that can’t be separated from our bodily reactions.

    II

     Thus – Joe Rogan is immune to quite a lot of rationalizations (and other neurotic defense mechanisms) just because he knows his body well (and maybe even his soul – that’s an interesting aspect of “this Joe  Rogan guy” too. – His openness to the spiritual (metaphysical) side of our existence (and our experiences). This also a remarkable quality of his mentality and helped him build the strong foundation of his character. 
    This ability of Joe Rogan – to balance Yin and Yang – or good and nasty, or love and aggression, soul and reason together with his respectable intellectual capabilities make him the missing link between atheists and spiritualists, between the brainy world of Pure Reason and the dirty world of the construction worker or the farmhand etc. In a way, Joe Rogan deserves this No. 1 position, because, in all his self-taught imperfection he – embodies something r<<ther sane – and quite American. (In an ideal world, Ron Unz would befriend him).

    • Thanks: ic1000
  49. #6, eh?

    Your inner Patrick McGoohan has been found:

  50. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    FVCK COVID
    4% PILSNER
     
    In retrospect it’s amazing how effectively Donald Trump singlehandedly promoted, across many media platforms, the meme connecting the Chinese with the Corona virus.

    Apparently no one else made the connection, but now the Blacks have figured it out, and are attempting, in their rudimentary brutal fashion, to Stop Asian Hate.


    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxbusiness.com/foxbusiness.com/content/uploads/2020/01/0/0/corona-beer-china-virus-Getty-AP.jpg

    https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/30162654/Corona-Beer-Virus-Feature-Image.jpg

    https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox2detroit.com/www.fox2detroit.com/content/uploads/2020/01/932/524/94c73b8b-coronavirus.jpg

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/DD-COMPOSITE-CORONA-BEER.jpg

    https://i.insider.com/5e31682d5bc79c7d6f244b62?.jpg

    https://www.cdn.tv2.no/images/11173479.jpg?imageId=11173479&width=1200&height=630

    https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/01/24/16/gettyimages-170139021.v1-0.jpg

    Replies: @AnonymousNameChange

    My guess is that a substantial portion of the “surge” in black on Asian crime is simply the result of it being more or less covered for the first time. I think there’s a good chance that the surge in coverage could result in a much more significant and real surge in actual attacks, however. With Asians getting their moment in the sun as a prominent victim class, they are moving in on black turf. There probably won’t be any way of testing or tracking this, but my guess would be that more coverage of Anti-Asian HATE! will result in more attacks on Asians, and especially if the black role in the phenomenon is given even the slightest bit of oxygen.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @AnonymousNameChange


    With Asians getting their moment in the sun as a prominent victim class, they are moving in on black turf.
     
    The beatings of Asians will continue until black victimology improves.

    https://brosleague.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/f4e42-beatingsbeatings.jpg

  51. Joe Rogan an intelectual?
    Are you for real?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Spect3r

    "Joe Rogan an intelectual?"...what about Megyn Kelly four clicks down from Steven Pinker? (on the expanded list)......that's gotta hurt ...but at least there's no Pod the lesser.

    Replies: @Spect3r

  52. I don’t understand. Do you have to fight these people in a cage? Is that why Rogan went #1?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    The rules haven't been fully explained to me yet. Last time I won anything ("Biggest Boomer"), all I had to do was post a photo of my lawn, so I was figuring this would be similar. But now you've got me worried.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @MEH 0910

  53. @Spect3r
    Joe Rogan an intelectual?
    Are you for real?

    Replies: @tyrone

    “Joe Rogan an intelectual?”…what about Megyn Kelly four clicks down from Steven Pinker? (on the expanded list)……that’s gotta hurt …but at least there’s no Pod the lesser.

    • Replies: @Spect3r
    @tyrone

    To be honest I stopped reading the list after Joe Rogan :D
    But you are correct, if Megyn Kelly is considered an intellectual, then why not Joe Rogan?

  54. Which of these intellectuals, if any, were sensible about the Covid hysteria? Considering that our society is still suffering the consequences of this irrational panic, an intellectual should be judged by his thought on the subject.

  55. @Danindc
    I don’t understand. Do you have to fight these people in a cage? Is that why Rogan went #1?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The rules haven’t been fully explained to me yet. Last time I won anything (“Biggest Boomer”), all I had to do was post a photo of my lawn, so I was figuring this would be similar. But now you’ve got me worried.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe you can fight Rogan on your lawn. Just tell him that it's a cross of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. and that the amazing thing about it is that you can hold three 5 minute MMA rounds on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt.

    You'll win.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Captain Tripps

    , @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/victory-is-mine-in-the-boomer-cup-semifinals/

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIGiYnCU4AAItN4.jpg

    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1190107209746698241
    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1190107229732528128
    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1190107241724035073

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  56. @tyrone
    @Spect3r

    "Joe Rogan an intelectual?"...what about Megyn Kelly four clicks down from Steven Pinker? (on the expanded list)......that's gotta hurt ...but at least there's no Pod the lesser.

    Replies: @Spect3r

    To be honest I stopped reading the list after Joe Rogan 😀
    But you are correct, if Megyn Kelly is considered an intellectual, then why not Joe Rogan?

  57. The real problem with Edward Said is that Said himself was sublimely versed in the Western canon and the lazy libs who paraphrase him are not.

    He was a sensitive intellectual who had read and loved the classics and could play you Beethoven on his piano off the top of his head.

    He just also didn’t appreciate Palestinians being murdered and exiled.

    “Orientalism” is a lot subtler and less lazy than its exponents make it seem. Said knew what he was talking about and was not a joke.

  58. No disrespect, but if that’s a list of ‘top intellectuals’, this explains why we we’re f****d.

  59. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    Totally off topic, but since you posted that, here is an energy drink I discovered in Romania:
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/whFEB9T8r04/maxresdefault.jpg

    See why I love these people?

    (It's tastes like Red Bull, as I recall, and it's commonly available in stores.)

    Some other things are crap, though:


    https://external-preview.redd.it/e8dYCBKl1RY62JJ3iSa8oAkzkW_W0w5TpmGIIFHhphI.jpg?auto=webp&s=49cab648086e576789c7292b032bffb136634d25

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    That stuff is fish roe, isn’t it? My great aunt used to make a sort of rakott krumpli with it.

  60. @jon

    The top 150 intellectuals, selected competitively
     
    Cool, can't wait to see the list ...

    1 Joe Rogan
     
    WTF?

    And I am even a fan of his show (or at least I was before he went on Spotify), but the top intellectual? Even with the weird scoring system they have set up, I can't imagine him being a good pick. He just gets high and has interesting people walk him through their stuff.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Captain Tripps, @Mj

    And I am even a fan of his show (or at least I was before he went on Spotify), but the top intellectual? Even with the weird scoring system they have set up, I can’t imagine him being a good pick. He just gets high and has interesting people walk him through their stuff.

    Also, how to present a tremendous amount of interesting stuff efficiently…

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc

  61. @Anon
    I notice that the 25 listed intellectuals are all right wing, or IDW, or "I'm a classical liberal, just a while back I would have been on the left-fringe, the world has gone crazy!"

    There are no really left-wing people on the list. Is Arnold Kling right wing, attracting right-wing readers?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Greenwald, Ygelsias and Alexander are right wing? And back when I still read PJ media I remember Kimball to be a neocon.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Mike Tre


    Greenwald, Ygelsias and Alexander are right wing? And back when I still read PJ media I remember Kimball to be a neocon.
     
    I said:

    are all right wing, or IDW, or “I’m a classical liberal, just a while back I would have been on the left-fringe, the world has gone crazy!”
     
    Greenwald and Yglesias fall into my third category. Alexander is sort of libertarian and kind of the third category also, with some added race realism.

    I'm not familiar with Kimball, but isn't neocon neo plus con, meaning Zionist warmonger plus conservative?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jim Don Bob

  62. @jon

    The top 150 intellectuals, selected competitively
     
    Cool, can't wait to see the list ...

    1 Joe Rogan
     
    WTF?

    And I am even a fan of his show (or at least I was before he went on Spotify), but the top intellectual? Even with the weird scoring system they have set up, I can't imagine him being a good pick. He just gets high and has interesting people walk him through their stuff.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Captain Tripps, @Mj

    My reaction as well; Rogan is certainly entertaining, but “intellectual”? And I’m not fond of the term intellectual to begin with…

  63. @Buzz Mohawk
    Sailer has KKKrazy fans:


    http://jto.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/sb20130609a2c.jpg


    And a great team:


    http://media.oregonlive.com/mlb/photo/spsox22jpg-9892ba1e4df5394f.jpg

    Replies: @Captain Tripps

    That photo of the fans tracking strikeouts is funny. There are 4 sets of 3 K’s, is that an ultra secret, hidden uber white supremo message broadcast to the gazillions of crypto-Nazis on the dark side of the moon? Also, the vaguely Asian-ish gal laughing heartily in the center just above the line of K’s…nah, maybe its just an epic 3rd PLA trolling job to insert anti-White worm message in the collective hindbrain. Or that’s what the Borg Queen is broadcasting in my brain implant. I am Locutus…

  64. @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    The rules haven't been fully explained to me yet. Last time I won anything ("Biggest Boomer"), all I had to do was post a photo of my lawn, so I was figuring this would be similar. But now you've got me worried.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @MEH 0910

    Maybe you can fight Rogan on your lawn. Just tell him that it’s a cross of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. and that the amazing thing about it is that you can hold three 5 minute MMA rounds on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt.

    You’ll win.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Mike Tre

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/c6467e70a2d6c27f38472f074f48d572/tumblr_oull9yMPLt1tpri36o2_1280.png

    https://welcometoyouredoom.tumblr.com/post/164151736997

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @Captain Tripps
    @Mike Tre

    LOL, thread winner...

  65. @Not Only Wrathful
    @jon


    And I am even a fan of his show (or at least I was before he went on Spotify), but the top intellectual? Even with the weird scoring system they have set up, I can’t imagine him being a good pick. He just gets high and has interesting people walk him through their stuff.
     
    Also, how to present a tremendous amount of interesting stuff efficiently...

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    He used to be very good at martial arts. Then he was passable as a comedian. Now, he is simply a fair and curious middle-brow interviewer. He is not particularly well-read or insightful, so his interviews are not really that great, but he creates a warm, friendly atmosphere without beating the listener over the head with Wokism.

    , @Oscar Peterson
    @Steve Sailer

    Very diplomatic of you.

    , @tyrone
    @Steve Sailer

    He's got a great spinning back kick......and he goes hunting with Steve Rinella.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Steve Sailer


    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.
     
    It's confusing since Rogan probably wouldn't identify himself as an intellectual if asked.

    His popularity is a function of simply being stuck in circa 2004 America in which the idea of sitting down with someone and just having a free form discussion for a few hours isn't controversial.

    There really aren't venues for 2-3 hour discussions with interesting people anywhere else which aren't curated by the Ruling Class for ideological conformity with whatever today's mandatory good think is.

    He's become a very wealthy man just by allowing people to talk to him.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Unladen Swallow

    , @Danindc
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve heard him described as a really smart dumb guy. I’ve never listened to the podcast but he he’s an absolutely awesome color commentator for mma fights. He may be the best color commentator since John Madden.

    Also an extremely tough guy that you wouldn’t want to mess with so he is very comfortable with himself which probably makes him an excellent interviewer.

  66. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1146229570837729281

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjBnGNrXgAQ7k3O.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Captain Tripps, @Bill, @Buffalo Joe, @petit bourgeois

    Opinions on beer (and whiskey and bourbon and…) are like a**holes. Everyone has one. And then they turned to the 15,234th “taste journalist” for his opinion on beer. Because they couldn’t get a solid read from the previous 15,233.

    Although I must say, the person who created that quad graph put Rolling Rock in the upper right, when it actually is in the lower left…and Coors Light is just barely in the upper right as well. Quoting my young son who just sampled some recently, “Dad, how can anybody drink this pi**??”

  67. Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25? Even blacks are better represented. What about Heather MacDonald at the Something Something Institute or wherever she is. Are you disqualified if the Sunday NY Post runs your op-eds?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Known Fact

    Oh and what about that Agnes Calland that Marginal Rev is always swooning over? Or will I find her listed under Public Philosophers rather than Public Intellectuals? There's also that white female professor who is resented by some POCs for being a leading expert on African-American history

    , @Muggles
    @Known Fact


    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25?
     
    Several yeas ago, maybe even decades, there were some very good (lesbian) women writers and commentators in places like the American Conservative. Even National Review when it was relevant back then.

    "Florence King" or something like that. There were several. I'm not sure all were lesbian but some were self admitted.

    Good for them, but where did they go? Die?

    I think lesbians are much tougher and less fearful as opinionators than most women. The ones I recall were also very good writers, from the South I think.

    Now there is Ann Coulter, sorta good at times. On the other hand, there is Peggy Noonan, stinking up the Wall St. Journal. She's a bellwether of error and one of the last surviving worshipers of the Sr. Bush and of course. St. John McCain. A hater of Trump of course. I wonder who she's slept with to still be in the WSJ? A very fake "conservative" to be sure.

    Many good female actresses, many older than the average are also lesbians (most quiet about it.) They can really project, especially on television. Tough in a tough business.

    But the original point is valid. Not enough women "intellectuals" worth reading/hearing. Any others we should also note?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @SFG, @Achmed E. Newman, @Lurker

  68. Is there a Yellow Pages or Yelp listing for Intellectuals, like if someone needs an emergency motte and bailey and their regular guy is out of town?

  69. @Known Fact
    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25? Even blacks are better represented. What about Heather MacDonald at the Something Something Institute or wherever she is. Are you disqualified if the Sunday NY Post runs your op-eds?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Muggles

    Oh and what about that Agnes Calland that Marginal Rev is always swooning over? Or will I find her listed under Public Philosophers rather than Public Intellectuals? There’s also that white female professor who is resented by some POCs for being a leading expert on African-American history

  70. I’m just guessing that Steve would rather have a green blazer from Augusta than have his name on the list, but good for you Mr. Sailer.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  71. @Steve Sailer
    @Danindc

    The rules haven't been fully explained to me yet. Last time I won anything ("Biggest Boomer"), all I had to do was post a photo of my lawn, so I was figuring this would be similar. But now you've got me worried.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @MEH 0910

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/victory-is-mine-in-the-boomer-cup-semifinals/


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @MEH 0910


    Let us end this contest with a photo of Steve’s lawn and remembering that by winning this contest and the $20, Steve did what Boomers do best:

    Taking wealth from the younger generation.
     
    Somebody seems to think Social Security and Medicare didn't pay out until 2008.
  72. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1146229570837729281

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjBnGNrXgAQ7k3O.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Captain Tripps, @Bill, @Buffalo Joe, @petit bourgeois

    This graph would be more interesting as overall sales against sales to 21-year-old males and would at least sort of get at the same thing. As Captain Tripps points out, as it is, it’s just some goof journalist’s weird ideas.

  73. I Was Drafted #6 in the Fantasy Intellectuals League

    What is your Wonderlic Contemporary Cognitive Ability Test score and what is your listed height and weight?

    It seems that 5 foot ten inches and 180 pounds is a very popular weight and height to be listed for wide receivers and cornerbacks and the agents of these football players might have a significant influence in how the height and weight of their clients is listed.

    Do you have representation?

    I have some contacts with the House of Miller and the blood lines of the Marvin Miller people are more than capable of representing baseball players and football players and Unz Review Bloggers.

    The House of Shanker shall do in a pinch and the Albert tribe can get you the best deal possible…for a reasonable and negotiable price.

    Best regards for your bright future in the Fantasy Intellectuals League.

    The FIL will have you switching from Pabst Blue Ribbon beer to a fancy craft ale and much more luxury and wealth besides.

  74. European intellectual sex tourists, especially gay ones like Foucault, should keep their filthy hands off our Arab boys and girls and stay the hell out of the Arab world.

    Absolutely no one could disagree.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
    @Lurker


    Absolutely no one could disagree [that European intellectual sex tourists, especially gay ones like Foucault, should keep their filthy hands off our Arab boys and girls and stay the hell out of the Arab world.]
     
    ...except the European intellectual sex tourists.

    Somebody think about them for once!
  75. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe you can fight Rogan on your lawn. Just tell him that it's a cross of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. and that the amazing thing about it is that you can hold three 5 minute MMA rounds on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt.

    You'll win.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Captain Tripps

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @MEH 0910

    Now that I think about it, I could see Steve awkwardly trying to play through Rogan's unused Gazebo behind his house that boarders the Hanson Dam Golf Course, while Rogan tries to get him bombed.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1376674427056881665

    Wow.

    Post-Christian America.

    You hear about how Americans are so much more religious than Western Euros, but the numbers aren't hugely different.

    https://www.dw.com/en/german-church-membership-continues-to-drop/a-44765230

    https://sweden.se/society/10-fundamentals-of-religion-in-sweden/

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/poll_france_no_longer_catholic

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/992681/share-of-catholics-in-spain/

    Replies: @Bill, @Almost Missouri

    No, it’s not similar. You are comparing wildly different things. Weekly church attendance is much higher in the US than in Europe (like 3 times higher, depending on the country), though the map below annoyingly color-codes as if this is not true:

    The US is low but not Europe-low yet.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Bill

    I was referring to Church membership. I provided stats in the links in my post.

    It is true that Americans self-report more Church attendance, but there's substantial evidence that they significantly overexaggerate. Though even with that, Americans probably do attend Church more often. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of Americans go to a variety of Mega Churches, but aren't necessarily members of any of them. That seems to be more common here than in the EU.

    Replies: @Bill

    , @Bill Jones
    @Bill


    The US is low but not Europe-low yet.
     
    It's a damn sight lower than Israels 30%.

    Who knew they had that many churches?

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  77. @Morton's toes
    1. the only woman on the list is bret weinstein's wife.
    2. joe rogan an intellectual?

    I'm thinking no. That's like saying Johnny Carson was an intellectual. In the best recreational drug book series ever put together, Dale Pendell covers near every drug. He covers ayahuasca / DMT. In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.

    Joe Rogan thinks everybody should do it. Joe is a special kind of raving idiot.

    Here is the (1st) book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Pharmako-Poeia-Revised-Updated-Herbcraft/dp/1556438052

    They not only have the best content, but they also are beautiful books. Absolute works of art. They look terrific on your book shelves!

    Replies: @sayless, @Buzz Mohawk, @petit bourgeois

    I know people in Europe who did ayahuasca–it’s legal there–and it doesn’t sound like a recreational drug. The experience always included vomiting and diarrhea, and sometimes horrifying visions that could last for hours. It wasn’t euphoric, they found it beneficial in another way.

    • Replies: @anon
    @sayless


    It wasn’t euphoric, they found it beneficial in another way.
     
    What way was that?
    , @sayless
    @sayless

    Help with psychiatric problems, internal conflict. I saw them regularly over the course of a few years and they were really happier and more at peace with themselves--and I wasn't looking for it.

  78. @AnonymousNameChange
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    My guess is that a substantial portion of the "surge" in black on Asian crime is simply the result of it being more or less covered for the first time. I think there's a good chance that the surge in coverage could result in a much more significant and real surge in actual attacks, however. With Asians getting their moment in the sun as a prominent victim class, they are moving in on black turf. There probably won't be any way of testing or tracking this, but my guess would be that more coverage of Anti-Asian HATE! will result in more attacks on Asians, and especially if the black role in the phenomenon is given even the slightest bit of oxygen.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    With Asians getting their moment in the sun as a prominent victim class, they are moving in on black turf.

    The beatings of Asians will continue until black victimology improves.

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc

    He used to be very good at martial arts. Then he was passable as a comedian. Now, he is simply a fair and curious middle-brow interviewer. He is not particularly well-read or insightful, so his interviews are not really that great, but he creates a warm, friendly atmosphere without beating the listener over the head with Wokism.

  80. @Wilkey
    @PiltdownMan

    Yet even as you want to sympathize with the Asian victims, you get this, from US House member Grace Meng (D-Taiwan):


    "Asian Americans for too long in this country have been shamefully scapegoated because of ignorant fear. That is the history of this country."
     
    She uses yet another assault by a fellow member of the Coalition of the Fringes on another member of the Coalition of the Fringes while three other members of the Coalition of the Fringes look on and do nothing...as yet another excuse to attack white people.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    @36 Wilkey: It’s just more pathological altruism by the pseudo-intellectual commentariat here at Sailer’s blog. It’s fine to complain about nogger pathology – either against Whites or others – but to be explicitly pro-White is just so not done. That would be notsee. And then Jack D or Twinkie or Physicist Dave would have to explain, because Whites married to and procreating with Whites couldn’t possibly speak up for themselves. That’s extremism.

    Know who your people are. Save your sympathy for them. Use your resources for them. Advocate for them.

  81. @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc

    Very diplomatic of you.

  82. @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc

    He’s got a great spinning back kick……and he goes hunting with Steve Rinella.

  83. @Lurker

    European intellectual sex tourists, especially gay ones like Foucault, should keep their filthy hands off our Arab boys and girls and stay the hell out of the Arab world.
     
    Absolutely no one could disagree.

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson

    Absolutely no one could disagree [that European intellectual sex tourists, especially gay ones like Foucault, should keep their filthy hands off our Arab boys and girls and stay the hell out of the Arab world.]

    …except the European intellectual sex tourists.

    Somebody think about them for once!

    • LOL: Lurker
  84. anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:

    What percentage of the top 25 are Jewish?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @anonymous

    25 out of 25 - hm -wouldn't that be 25% too. - I'm fine with that. Joe Rogan needn't be a Jew too, because he has them around in the dozens, doesn't he?

  85. Drafted #6–wow.

    So are you going to get a fat, multi-year contract and some endorsements and other cool stuff?

    I’m willing to pitch Entourage II: Intellectuals Gone Wild to HBO.

  86. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1376674427056881665

    Wow.

    Post-Christian America.

    You hear about how Americans are so much more religious than Western Euros, but the numbers aren't hugely different.

    https://www.dw.com/en/german-church-membership-continues-to-drop/a-44765230

    https://sweden.se/society/10-fundamentals-of-religion-in-sweden/

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/poll_france_no_longer_catholic

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/992681/share-of-catholics-in-spain/

    Replies: @Bill, @Almost Missouri

    Since America is importing non-Christians hand-over-fist, part of the “decline” is actually dilution by non-Christian populations. So, as usual, Fatty Yglecias is wrong: it’s not “secularization”, it’s non-Christianization (Islamization, Hinduization, whatever East Asians believization).

    On the other hand, modern churches mostly just preach generic state/globohomo doctrine disguised as religion, so using church attendance as a proxy for the true Christian-ness is an increasingly poor proxy.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Almost Missouri

    Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists combined are less than 3% of Americans. The above figure actually includes Muslim "Churches."

    So the decline is real.

    There has been a very significant decline in Church membership. The US is not any different from Western Europe, contrary to the popular view.

    , @epebble
    @Almost Missouri

    The second most numerous ( 26% ) and the Fastest growing (1% annually) "religion" in U.S. is nones.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2019/1018/Numbers-of-American-nones-continues-to-rise

  87. @Anonymous
    Congratulations, Steve. Well deserved. You are truly amazing. We probably all take you a little bit for granted.

    Heartiste should be up there in the Top 10, too.

    When you write sometimes that you figured out the basic logic of the 21st Century, is that something you would be comfortable spelling out to us? Have you ever set it out in basic terms? Pardon me if I have missed it.

    By the way, I think this description of your commends section could be improved upon, from a marketing standpoint:

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, complete with a massive comments section
     
    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Dieter Kief, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @jon

    “You are truly amazing.”

    What’s truly amazing is the following: “You come to care about Vlad Dracula, despite all those impalements. He was a man under extreme pressure … it’s not like the rulers of the other areas were squeaky clean examples.”

    Romanians will justify anything.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Their Hungarian neighbors are rather fond of Attila the Hun.

  88. Is there trading? You know, I swap Glenn Loury for John McWhorter, an intellectual to be named later and an undisclosed amount of cash?

    Can anybody on the list be “designated for assignment?” Can we put somebody on the 15 day DL, retroactive to Tuesday?

    Can we call up someone from the minors — say, Vox Day? Mark Steyn? Rogan is sure to sink into the second division, if not the basement. His value will plummet.

    Anyway, you can’t have a league unless you have teams with multiple players. You know, we can have the “Unz” team — Sailer, Derbyshire, and Unz. If Sailer is in a slump, we can send him down to Triple A, and can call up Giraldi.

    Really, having done fantasy baseball, I can tell you: you can descend into a unique morale crushing rabbit hole.

    There’s really nothing like it to give you an even greater appreciation of the randomness of human activity.

  89. @jon

    The top 150 intellectuals, selected competitively
     
    Cool, can't wait to see the list ...

    1 Joe Rogan
     
    WTF?

    And I am even a fan of his show (or at least I was before he went on Spotify), but the top intellectual? Even with the weird scoring system they have set up, I can't imagine him being a good pick. He just gets high and has interesting people walk him through their stuff.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Captain Tripps, @Mj

    WTF is exactly what I thought!

    I once tried watching Rogan’s show. I lasted less than five minutes. His program is meant for dudes and bros who want to put on airs.

  90. Steve you are in the equivalent of the intellectual Negro Leagues. Your stats might count in 75 years but don’t hold your breath.

    • LOL: 3g4me
  91. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe you can fight Rogan on your lawn. Just tell him that it's a cross of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia. and that the amazing thing about it is that you can hold three 5 minute MMA rounds on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt.

    You'll win.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Captain Tripps

    LOL, thread winner…

  92. @Anonymous
    Congratulations, Steve. Well deserved. You are truly amazing. We probably all take you a little bit for granted.

    Heartiste should be up there in the Top 10, too.

    When you write sometimes that you figured out the basic logic of the 21st Century, is that something you would be comfortable spelling out to us? Have you ever set it out in basic terms? Pardon me if I have missed it.

    By the way, I think this description of your commends section could be improved upon, from a marketing standpoint:

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, complete with a massive comments section
     
    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Dieter Kief, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @jon

    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

    The world-market leading iSteve-Enterprises are proud to present our kandy-kolored tangerine-flake streamline of consciousness comment section the likes of which nobody has ever seen before – Come on in – you’re welcome!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dieter Kief

    Steve deserves to be up there with the best of the noticer-commenters. I can't say I've read comment sections under ANY other of those people on the list, if they've got 'em, but I will just put out there that Steve Sailer's is the best comment section, content-wise, that I've read or been a part of*.

    Along those lines then, I suggest, as part of any marketing plan for the iSteve comment section, a "Men of Unz" calendar. Each month should have a different commenter featured, in speedos, barbecuing on the grill, while watching the Masters. Free Sailer-signed copies should be distributed to frequent commenters Alden, Rosie, Lagertha, 3g4me, Hannah Katz, and anyone else worthy, as determined from their • Agreeing, •LOLing and • Trolling capabilities.


    .


    * It could simply be the age range and having a group with some worldly knowledge and common sense. (Thank you and LOL, MEH 0910 above.)

    Replies: @Muggles

  93. @HammerJack
    Congrats Steve

    And you are a true Man of Steel for tolerating your presence on any list which also includes MattY

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    And you are a true Man of Steel for tolerating your presence on any list which also includes MattY

    True. But at least the mendacious toad Ezra Klein didn’t make the cut.

  94. @Anon
    Glenn Loury is phenomenal at being able to state his opponent's argument in detail, and with all his opponent's emotion. He listens very, very closely without interrupting. Then he states a better version of his opponent's argument than the opponent did. He often is aware of more data or support for his opponent's argument than his opponent is. Sometimes he is almost crying or screaming with emotion in stating his opponent's argument, an Oscar-level performance. Then he presents his own argument and view.

    Replies: @res, @Tom Grey

    That is a great concise description of steel-manning. Can you recommend any specific spots in videos where he does that?

    Contrast your description with this somewhat longer but IMHO less effective explanation.
    https://constantrenewal.com/steel-man/

  95. @J.Ross
    >intellectual number one is Joe Rogan
    [A worn-out shoe. This worn-out shoe is my response.]
    There's a Josh Rogin who has written what is supposed to be an excellent and necessary book on US-China relations, Chaos Under Heaven.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks you for the (indirect, I guess) recommendation, Mr. Ross. I’ve got it on the way.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Happy somebody took it.

  96. @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Since America is importing non-Christians hand-over-fist, part of the "decline" is actually dilution by non-Christian populations. So, as usual, Fatty Yglecias is wrong: it's not "secularization", it's non-Christianization (Islamization, Hinduization, whatever East Asians believization).

    On the other hand, modern churches mostly just preach generic state/globohomo doctrine disguised as religion, so using church attendance as a proxy for the true Christian-ness is an increasingly poor proxy.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @epebble

    Hindus, Muslims, and Buddhists combined are less than 3% of Americans. The above figure actually includes Muslim “Churches.”

    So the decline is real.

    There has been a very significant decline in Church membership. The US is not any different from Western Europe, contrary to the popular view.

  97. @Dieter Kief
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

     

    The world-market leading iSteve-Enterprises are proud to present our kandy-kolored tangerine-flake streamline of consciousness comment section the likes of which nobody has ever seen before - Come on in - you're welcome!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Steve deserves to be up there with the best of the noticer-commenters. I can’t say I’ve read comment sections under ANY other of those people on the list, if they’ve got ’em, but I will just put out there that Steve Sailer’s is the best comment section, content-wise, that I’ve read or been a part of*.

    Along those lines then, I suggest, as part of any marketing plan for the iSteve comment section, a “Men of Unz” calendar. Each month should have a different commenter featured, in speedos, barbecuing on the grill, while watching the Masters. Free Sailer-signed copies should be distributed to frequent commenters Alden, Rosie, Lagertha, 3g4me, Hannah Katz, and anyone else worthy, as determined from their • Agreeing, •LOLing and • Trolling capabilities.

    .

    * It could simply be the age range and having a group with some worldly knowledge and common sense. (Thank you and LOL, MEH 0910 above.)

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Each month should have a different commenter featured, in speedos,
     
    Uh, no, please no...
  98. @sayless
    @Morton's toes

    I know people in Europe who did ayahuasca--it's legal there--and it doesn't sound like a recreational drug. The experience always included vomiting and diarrhea, and sometimes horrifying visions that could last for hours. It wasn't euphoric, they found it beneficial in another way.

    Replies: @anon, @sayless

    It wasn’t euphoric, they found it beneficial in another way.

    What way was that?

  99. True Rotisserie leagues (calling them fantasy leagues exposes one as a newbie) shows true value through the auction draft. And it’s way more fun.

    I would proudly bid Steve Sailer up to $15. A steal!

  100. @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    It’s confusing since Rogan probably wouldn’t identify himself as an intellectual if asked.

    His popularity is a function of simply being stuck in circa 2004 America in which the idea of sitting down with someone and just having a free form discussion for a few hours isn’t controversial.

    There really aren’t venues for 2-3 hour discussions with interesting people anywhere else which aren’t curated by the Ruling Class for ideological conformity with whatever today’s mandatory good think is.

    He’s become a very wealthy man just by allowing people to talk to him.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    U2 is certainly competant and some of their stuff is okay (they deserve praise for being nearly the only standard rock setup still touring with all the guys they started with), but today they are over-celebrated because far more talented contemporaries (which in U2's case includes people like Siouxsie, Bob Smith, and Moz) retired, burnt out, overdosed or committed suicide. Similarly Rogan ought not to be such a big deal but (big smile at the thought of all the dead bodies) what with our elites' decision to transmogrify into Stalin's Soviet Union (Hey, the only thing wrong with it was logistics, and we have Walmart and Amazon!) he finds hinself the hero of freedom of speech.

    , @Unladen Swallow
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    He's had a couple of interesting interviews I've watched, he is knowledgeable about some things, but not others. I think you hit the nail on as far as the reasons for his popularity, he isn't PC and that practically makes him on the right as far the SJW mob is concerned.

  101. @Bill
    @JohnnyWalker123

    No, it's not similar. You are comparing wildly different things. Weekly church attendance is much higher in the US than in Europe (like 3 times higher, depending on the country), though the map below annoyingly color-codes as if this is not true:

    https://comparecamp.com/media/uploads/2020/05/Global-Worship-Attendance-2008-2017.png

    The US is low but not Europe-low yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Bill Jones

    I was referring to Church membership. I provided stats in the links in my post.

    It is true that Americans self-report more Church attendance, but there’s substantial evidence that they significantly overexaggerate. Though even with that, Americans probably do attend Church more often. I wouldn’t be surprised if lots of Americans go to a variety of Mega Churches, but aren’t necessarily members of any of them. That seems to be more common here than in the EU.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Church membership" is meaningless. Your post did not provide stats. It provided a bunch of not-comparable numbers. The claim that the US is about as irreligious as Europe is goofy, though as their Muslim population rises, it will become less goofy over time.

  102. About the catch-phrases and terminology that is used in the scoring: I know you have a lot of good ones, Steve. It’s probably nice to see them used a lot by other pundits or an occasional politician even, as that means there must be a lot of people reading your stuff. You may not even always get credit, as who can prove what?

    I remember an on-line pundit named Gerald Celente. I don’t know HOW I even remember his name, but when I was reading lots of Zerohedge and prepper sites, he was on some of them. His big line was “when people have nothing to lose, they lose it.” Well, that’s maybe kind of true, but maybe not. It just sounds clever, that’s all, and it’s pretty much all I remember of the guy’s writing, other than he was a doomer.

    It’s not the be-all-to-end-all, being the “I didn’t do it” kid, as Bart Simpson was. (Remember that one?) It’s more important that someone with some ability to actually change things in this country really takes your stuff to heart, or the ideas flow up through people like Ann Coulter, but then to … who, now? Can your really change much by writing and voting? You can give ideas to those who will eventually have to do more than writing and voting…

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I remember an on-line pundit named Gerald Celente.

     

    Gerald is keepin' on, keepin' on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcudfl7M-i0

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Achmed E. Newman


    but then to … who, now? Can your really change much by writing and voting?
     
    That is the fate of intellectuals (essayists, commentators, journalists...). You never know.

    Live with it, Achmed!

    (There's one way out (hehe, The Allman Brothers Band) - if seen from a decent distance. As I remarked - yesterday here on this blog already, but such is the fate of important insights: They either get repeated over and over again - or people will lose what they are about. So - I'll repeat one more time (but keep in mind what I've written above: The following sentence is only true if seen from a position very far away. But then, Hans-Georg Gadamer said, you might see, that the good ones - agreed and - reinforced one another and did master some kind of influence too, every once in a while. - it can't be any other way, because asking for more would mean to interfere with God (or: the gods).
    (The marvellous book that he wrote and that contains more of such pure intellectual gold is titled Truth and Method</i.)

    Gadamer was in his forties when he worked on it - for some ten years. And he thought that he would not take part in congresses and not take invitations from abroad while working on the book, because he felt, that this might distract him. (I met him in Heidelberg and later heard him deliver a speech and debate his ideas in Konstanz. I did like him - still like him).

  103. Steve,

    That’s a very nice lawn, though judging by the texture, I suspect it was rolled in rather than planted. True Turfophiles grow their lawns from seed and do not take credit for others work.

    Best Wishes

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Bernard

    That's an old photo. Steve hasn't gone outside his house since the Coronapanic began.

    Now his neighbors are complaining:


    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-78j2uaGRv58/WgL-gm_sm3I/AAAAAAAAHpk/pdOnYAjgZOUmco98v1S-1hO03WdpB2RWQCLcBGAs/s1600/NEIGHBORSFEDUP.jpg

    He refuses to hire Mexicans, so the lawn waits until every last person in America is vaccinated.

    Gee, this comment section is getting massive!

  104. @RichardTaylor
    What world are they talking about? The hard Left owns all the discourse and memes. The rest of these guys are only interesting to independent minded White guys who basically keep to themselves.

    The only powerful counter-narrative memes were terms like anti-white and white genocide which were pushed hard for years and did impact the culture.

    But fellas like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tyler Cowen and Bret Weinstein basically provide fun but pointless intellectual stimulation for a bunch of White guys who want to feel engaged without any risk.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @SFG

    But fellas like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tyler Cowen and Bret Weinstein basically provide fun but pointless intellectual stimulation for a bunch of White guys who want to feel engaged without any risk.

    They’re all pro-free-speech. – So – – unless free speech is whitey acting as if he would be progressive: They are all real.

    Jordan Peterson is a man who did take lots of risks (personal risks too (think of climate change, think of IQ, think of the transgender-shenanigans he feverishly opposed)), as are Bret Weinstein and Joe Rogan.

    • LOL: 3g4me
  105. @MEH 0910
    @Mike Tre

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/c6467e70a2d6c27f38472f074f48d572/tumblr_oull9yMPLt1tpri36o2_1280.png

    https://welcometoyouredoom.tumblr.com/post/164151736997

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Now that I think about it, I could see Steve awkwardly trying to play through Rogan’s unused Gazebo behind his house that boarders the Hanson Dam Golf Course, while Rogan tries to get him bombed.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Mike Tre

    https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1371892489762787334

  106. @Bill
    @JohnnyWalker123

    No, it's not similar. You are comparing wildly different things. Weekly church attendance is much higher in the US than in Europe (like 3 times higher, depending on the country), though the map below annoyingly color-codes as if this is not true:

    https://comparecamp.com/media/uploads/2020/05/Global-Worship-Attendance-2008-2017.png

    The US is low but not Europe-low yet.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Bill Jones

    The US is low but not Europe-low yet.

    It’s a damn sight lower than Israels 30%.

    Who knew they had that many churches?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Bill Jones

    Correction sb : Europe's a damn sight lower than Israel.

  107. @Achmed E. Newman
    About the catch-phrases and terminology that is used in the scoring: I know you have a lot of good ones, Steve. It's probably nice to see them used a lot by other pundits or an occasional politician even, as that means there must be a lot of people reading your stuff. You may not even always get credit, as who can prove what?

    I remember an on-line pundit named Gerald Celente. I don't know HOW I even remember his name, but when I was reading lots of Zerohedge and prepper sites, he was on some of them. His big line was "when people have nothing to lose, they lose it." Well, that's maybe kind of true, but maybe not. It just sounds clever, that's all, and it's pretty much all I remember of the guy's writing, other than he was a doomer.

    It's not the be-all-to-end-all, being the "I didn't do it" kid, as Bart Simpson was. (Remember that one?) It's more important that someone with some ability to actually change things in this country really takes your stuff to heart, or the ideas flow up through people like Ann Coulter, but then to ... who, now? Can your really change much by writing and voting? You can give ideas to those who will eventually have to do more than writing and voting...

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Dieter Kief

    I remember an on-line pundit named Gerald Celente.

    Gerald is keepin’ on, keepin’ on:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I love how he loses it, he's like Paulie Walnuts from the Sopranos describing foreign poilcy.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Ha, thanks, Mr. Howard. I'm listening right now (in another browser tab). It's been years, but I kind of like his style. I'm 5 minutes in, and he hasn't said his line yet.

    OK, now at 14:45, he gets really going! I may have to keep up with Mr. Celente again.

  108. @Achmed E. Newman
    About the catch-phrases and terminology that is used in the scoring: I know you have a lot of good ones, Steve. It's probably nice to see them used a lot by other pundits or an occasional politician even, as that means there must be a lot of people reading your stuff. You may not even always get credit, as who can prove what?

    I remember an on-line pundit named Gerald Celente. I don't know HOW I even remember his name, but when I was reading lots of Zerohedge and prepper sites, he was on some of them. His big line was "when people have nothing to lose, they lose it." Well, that's maybe kind of true, but maybe not. It just sounds clever, that's all, and it's pretty much all I remember of the guy's writing, other than he was a doomer.

    It's not the be-all-to-end-all, being the "I didn't do it" kid, as Bart Simpson was. (Remember that one?) It's more important that someone with some ability to actually change things in this country really takes your stuff to heart, or the ideas flow up through people like Ann Coulter, but then to ... who, now? Can your really change much by writing and voting? You can give ideas to those who will eventually have to do more than writing and voting...

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Dieter Kief

    but then to … who, now? Can your really change much by writing and voting?

    That is the fate of intellectuals (essayists, commentators, journalists…). You never know.

    Live with it, Achmed!

    (There’s one way out (hehe, The Allman Brothers Band) – if seen from a decent distance. As I remarked – yesterday here on this blog already, but such is the fate of important insights: They either get repeated over and over again – or people will lose what they are about. So – I’ll repeat one more time (but keep in mind what I’ve written above: The following sentence is only true if seen from a position very far away. But then, Hans-Georg Gadamer said, you might see, that the good ones – agreed and – reinforced one another and did master some kind of influence too, every once in a while. – it can’t be any other way, because asking for more would mean to interfere with God (or: the gods).
    (The marvellous book that he wrote and that contains more of such pure intellectual gold is titled Truth and Method</i.)

    Gadamer was in his forties when he worked on it – for some ten years. And he thought that he would not take part in congresses and not take invitations from abroad while working on the book, because he felt, that this might distract him. (I met him in Heidelberg and later heard him deliver a speech and debate his ideas in Konstanz. I did like him – still like him).

  109. @anonymous
    What percentage of the top 25 are Jewish?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    25 out of 25 – hm -wouldn’t that be 25% too. – I’m fine with that. Joe Rogan needn’t be a Jew too, because he has them around in the dozens, doesn’t he?

  110. @Bill Jones
    @Bill


    The US is low but not Europe-low yet.
     
    It's a damn sight lower than Israels 30%.

    Who knew they had that many churches?

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Correction sb : Europe’s a damn sight lower than Israel.

  111. Joe Rogan – The Racial Differences in Intelligence Debate

    Apr 3, 2018

    Joe Rogan and Chris Ryan on the debate surrounding statistics on race and intelligence.

    Joe Rogan – Sam Harris on Race & IQ Controversy

    Apr 18, 2018

    Joe Rogan talks to Sam Harris about quitting Twitter, controversy about Charles Murray, race and IQ.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @MEH 0910

    Thanks for posting these.

    In that clip Sam Harris is all mealy mouthed about IQ in there and comes off sounding like a complete "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" communist (which is true in his Waking Up app too in some ways), but i give him props for admitting that without reading the book or looking into Murray at all, he had considered Charles Murray "radioactive" since the Bell Curve and that he'd rejected participation in "at least one project because [Murray's] name was attached".

    This supports my assertion i think that Steve is similarly conceived and that's one reason why his reach and quotability is limited outside of a quite small circle.

    The HBD differences between races stuff really is "radioactive" and outside the Overton window right now.

  112. @MEH 0910
    Joe Rogan - The Racial Differences in Intelligence Debate
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpoEi1pq-H0
    Apr 3, 2018

    Joe Rogan and Chris Ryan on the debate surrounding statistics on race and intelligence.
     
    Joe Rogan - Sam Harris on Race & IQ Controversy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r_E0bXF54U
    Apr 18, 2018

    Joe Rogan talks to Sam Harris about quitting Twitter, controversy about Charles Murray, race and IQ.
     

    Replies: @vhrm

    Thanks for posting these.

    In that clip Sam Harris is all mealy mouthed about IQ in there and comes off sounding like a complete “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need” communist (which is true in his Waking Up app too in some ways), but i give him props for admitting that without reading the book or looking into Murray at all, he had considered Charles Murray “radioactive” since the Bell Curve and that he’d rejected participation in “at least one project because [Murray’s] name was attached”.

    This supports my assertion i think that Steve is similarly conceived and that’s one reason why his reach and quotability is limited outside of a quite small circle.

    The HBD differences between races stuff really is “radioactive” and outside the Overton window right now.

  113. @Mike Tre
    @MEH 0910

    Now that I think about it, I could see Steve awkwardly trying to play through Rogan's unused Gazebo behind his house that boarders the Hanson Dam Golf Course, while Rogan tries to get him bombed.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  114. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1146229570837729281

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjBnGNrXgAQ7k3O.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Captain Tripps, @Bill, @Buffalo Joe, @petit bourgeois

    MEH, first beer I ever had, as a pre teen at a family picnic, was a Rolling Rock in their “pony” bottle, in other words a split. Just bought two eight packs today.

  115. @Jim Christian
    I've arrived at a few cute slogans on my own but apparently they were too filthy or in such poor taste that they didn't catch on. My crown jewel was The Alphabet Soup of Sexual Depravity, or, ASSD. I came up with it 30 years ago at a newly formed political lobby in DC we sold a phone system to, P-FLAG, or Parents and Families of Lesbians And Gays. As time went on, they kept adding letters, calling Accounting to add another letter to their name in our vender records every 6 months as Sexual Depravity continued to build and multiply. The girls in (my female-owned company's) accounting used to howl with laughter and disdain at all this.

    Rogan 5 spots up on Sailerman? Sailer could easily do what Rogan does, Rogan couldn't begin to do what Sailer does. That's how I take the measure of who's packing the greater intellectual gear over another. Without blowing sunshine up Steve's kilt, I'll take Sailerman, giving 3 points for 50 bucks.

    Replies: @TWS

    I don’t think Steve is constitutionally suited to sitting around talking to folks. I think a steady diet of blunts and hgh would probably kill him.

  116. @JohnnyWalker123
    Congratulations, bro. Well-earned.

    Do you know what we need?

    We need a Steve Sailer trading card.

    https://imgur.com/a/0H1vS2z

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    That must be his rookie card.

  117. @Morton's toes
    1. the only woman on the list is bret weinstein's wife.
    2. joe rogan an intellectual?

    I'm thinking no. That's like saying Johnny Carson was an intellectual. In the best recreational drug book series ever put together, Dale Pendell covers near every drug. He covers ayahuasca / DMT. In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.

    Joe Rogan thinks everybody should do it. Joe is a special kind of raving idiot.

    Here is the (1st) book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Pharmako-Poeia-Revised-Updated-Herbcraft/dp/1556438052

    They not only have the best content, but they also are beautiful books. Absolute works of art. They look terrific on your book shelves!

    Replies: @sayless, @Buzz Mohawk, @petit bourgeois

    In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.

    2% Positive is far too small and can’t be right, but I can imagine 33% having frightening experiences.

    I did ayahuasca (or should I say it did me) three times. That was thirty years ago, and I liked it. I was with friends, and they liked it too. The situation, plus what one brings to it mentally, together determine how the experience will seem. Come to think of it, it’s kind of like Steve Sailer’s 50/50 nature/nurture ratio.

    Another good book about these things, which I read back then, is called From Chocolate to Morphine.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Buzz Mohawk


    2% Positive is far too small and can’t be right
     
    It was a scientific study. You know, random sample.

    If you go to a bar in the Castro District and ask the people there how many like anal fisting you get way more than 2%. Now I am not saying taking ayahuasca should be compared to anal fisting, but some of the side effects they report on erowid are things like the worst vomit and diarrhea experience of the reporter's entire life.

    Given the choice between ayahuasca and anal fisting I would definitely try ayahuasca first. I would not compare the two experiences at all. I swear I am not doing that! : )
    , @Jim Christian
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ayahuasca? Doesn't anyone do plain old All-American LSD anymore?

  118. @Known Fact
    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25? Even blacks are better represented. What about Heather MacDonald at the Something Something Institute or wherever she is. Are you disqualified if the Sunday NY Post runs your op-eds?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Muggles

    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25?

    Several yeas ago, maybe even decades, there were some very good (lesbian) women writers and commentators in places like the American Conservative. Even National Review when it was relevant back then.

    “Florence King” or something like that. There were several. I’m not sure all were lesbian but some were self admitted.

    Good for them, but where did they go? Die?

    I think lesbians are much tougher and less fearful as opinionators than most women. The ones I recall were also very good writers, from the South I think.

    Now there is Ann Coulter, sorta good at times. On the other hand, there is Peggy Noonan, stinking up the Wall St. Journal. She’s a bellwether of error and one of the last surviving worshipers of the Sr. Bush and of course. St. John McCain. A hater of Trump of course. I wonder who she’s slept with to still be in the WSJ? A very fake “conservative” to be sure.

    Many good female actresses, many older than the average are also lesbians (most quiet about it.) They can really project, especially on television. Tough in a tough business.

    But the original point is valid. Not enough women “intellectuals” worth reading/hearing. Any others we should also note?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Muggles

    Women intellectuals we should note? Novelist Lionel Shriver has the chops. Has Camille Paglia hung 'em up? She occasionally makes some sense. After that ... uhhh .... The chick in Arch Enemy writes a lot of their lyrics.

    , @SFG
    @Muggles

    Florence King (she wrote 'The Misanthrope's Corner' at the end of National Review, as well as a bunch of humor books about the South, where she was from) and Camille Paglia do come to mind.

    Norah Vincent did a book where she masqueraded as a man (going from being a butch lesbian to an effeminate man) and wound up finding men a lot more sympathetic than she had anticipated. She even revealed her deception at the end and found most of them didn't care. She dropped out of sight, though--there really wasn't a big market for lesbian conservative writers in the late 2000s.

    I do suspect this is 'people Arnold Kling's commenters like', so there's some bias there obviously. I do see the names of liberals with reservations about wokeness as well as conservatives, though.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Muggles

    Believe it or not, Peggy Noonan was a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan. WTH was the man thinking there? I agree completely that she is an idiot and is, yeah, that's the word, a bellweather of stupidity. From your repliers comments, yes, I used to read Florence King in the back of NR before I got sick of that publication. Kudos on Lionel Shriver, though I'm getting that just from her novel The Mandibles. Does she write regularly somewhere, Known Fact?

    I agree on Ann Coulter, but don't forget Michelle Malkin - they are the 2 favorite female literary pundits of the Peak Stupidity blog.

    I saw an hour and a half talk between Camille Paglia and Jordan Peterson. After they got done talking about Graduate schools of Art for near 1/2 an hour, it got very good. I'd never thought I could hear 2 intellectuals go on for over an hour like that before.

    , @Lurker
    @Muggles

    Peggy Noonan - the name sounds like it should belong to an actress who was briefly famous in a now half-forgotten sitcom. Later appeared in a few episodes of Murder, She Wrote.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  119. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dieter Kief

    Steve deserves to be up there with the best of the noticer-commenters. I can't say I've read comment sections under ANY other of those people on the list, if they've got 'em, but I will just put out there that Steve Sailer's is the best comment section, content-wise, that I've read or been a part of*.

    Along those lines then, I suggest, as part of any marketing plan for the iSteve comment section, a "Men of Unz" calendar. Each month should have a different commenter featured, in speedos, barbecuing on the grill, while watching the Masters. Free Sailer-signed copies should be distributed to frequent commenters Alden, Rosie, Lagertha, 3g4me, Hannah Katz, and anyone else worthy, as determined from their • Agreeing, •LOLing and • Trolling capabilities.


    .


    * It could simply be the age range and having a group with some worldly knowledge and common sense. (Thank you and LOL, MEH 0910 above.)

    Replies: @Muggles

    Each month should have a different commenter featured, in speedos,

    Uh, no, please no…

  120. @Muggles
    @Known Fact


    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25?
     
    Several yeas ago, maybe even decades, there were some very good (lesbian) women writers and commentators in places like the American Conservative. Even National Review when it was relevant back then.

    "Florence King" or something like that. There were several. I'm not sure all were lesbian but some were self admitted.

    Good for them, but where did they go? Die?

    I think lesbians are much tougher and less fearful as opinionators than most women. The ones I recall were also very good writers, from the South I think.

    Now there is Ann Coulter, sorta good at times. On the other hand, there is Peggy Noonan, stinking up the Wall St. Journal. She's a bellwether of error and one of the last surviving worshipers of the Sr. Bush and of course. St. John McCain. A hater of Trump of course. I wonder who she's slept with to still be in the WSJ? A very fake "conservative" to be sure.

    Many good female actresses, many older than the average are also lesbians (most quiet about it.) They can really project, especially on television. Tough in a tough business.

    But the original point is valid. Not enough women "intellectuals" worth reading/hearing. Any others we should also note?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @SFG, @Achmed E. Newman, @Lurker

    Women intellectuals we should note? Novelist Lionel Shriver has the chops. Has Camille Paglia hung ’em up? She occasionally makes some sense. After that … uhhh …. The chick in Arch Enemy writes a lot of their lyrics.

  121. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1146229570837729281

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjBnGNrXgAQ7k3O.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Captain Tripps, @Bill, @Buffalo Joe, @petit bourgeois

    I think this is the same food critic who did a similar chart on instant noodles and other food items for the LAT.

    My grandmother used to drink Coors Light every evening. When we would go to Vegas we called them “road sodas” speeding north on the I-15 with a loaded cooler full of “silver bullets” and bologna sandwiches. I find them to be quite palatable.

    While technically not “beer,” Mickey’s Big Mouth should be up there. But then they would have to rate every other domestic malt liquor.

    My favorite domestic beer has always been Heileman’s Special Export, still brewed by Pabst but very hard if not impossible to find. It’s the closest thing to German beer you’ll ever find.

  122. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anonymous

    "You are truly amazing."

    What's truly amazing is the following: "You come to care about Vlad Dracula, despite all those impalements. He was a man under extreme pressure ... it's not like the rulers of the other areas were squeaky clean examples."

    Romanians will justify anything.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Their Hungarian neighbors are rather fond of Attila the Hun.

  123. @Morton's toes
    1. the only woman on the list is bret weinstein's wife.
    2. joe rogan an intellectual?

    I'm thinking no. That's like saying Johnny Carson was an intellectual. In the best recreational drug book series ever put together, Dale Pendell covers near every drug. He covers ayahuasca / DMT. In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.

    Joe Rogan thinks everybody should do it. Joe is a special kind of raving idiot.

    Here is the (1st) book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Pharmako-Poeia-Revised-Updated-Herbcraft/dp/1556438052

    They not only have the best content, but they also are beautiful books. Absolute works of art. They look terrific on your book shelves!

    Replies: @sayless, @Buzz Mohawk, @petit bourgeois

    I’d do ayahuasca again. The 2% number seems way too low, considering DMT is produced by the pineal glad and is the reason why we have dreams during REM sleep. It seems, anecdotally, that the only people who have a bad trip also have underlying mental demons.

    They’re using it to treat PTSD and victims of sexual assault right now and I’m reading some positive benefits in a controlled environment. The only people I’ve ever seen have a bad trip from it were molested as children and letting go of that shit is a painful process.

    The ceremony itself is a surreal process, if you find a good shaman. People in the Amazon haven’t been doing it for centuries because it’s a bad thing.

    I wish Dr. Terence McKeena, the ultimate psychonaut, was around to still advocate for it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @petit bourgeois

    Although promoting ayahuasca, DMT, and psilocybin until his dying day, McKenna gave up consuming them long before then because of burn out. I have not done ayahuasca or DMT, principally because they were not popular or common or available in the circles that I hung when I did acid and psilocybin and peyote. I have not done anything that strong since before my 28th birthday and I might not ever do them again. I might but damn those chemicals are hard core. Cannabis and alcohol are plenty for me and even for them I don't do them if I need to be total 100% in less than 24 hours.

    A man Joe Rogan's age promoting that stuff is just not smart. I suspect much of it is a pose and he thinks it's cool and when he does do them, he does so in conservative doses.

    McKenna was an unrepentant pot head to the end, though. I love Pendell's take on cannabis. If you smoke a little bit, it can help to make you wise. If you smoke enough, it turns you into a donkey. The dose makes all the difference between medicine and poison.

    https://cdn.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2018/09/08/728883-donkey-thinkstock.jpg

  124. Hi Steve – it was I, Tom Grey, who drafted you first.
    Thanks for being SO AWARE of this!
    Here’s most of my note at ASKblog:

    I made an ordered list of over 150 names, mostly from the cheat seat. When my #7 pick came up (6th, due to missing Team #4) I …
    decided on Steve Sailor. He was high up but not at the top of my list.
    But he was on my mind. Because of Honesty and fairness – I’ve only recently started following him more closely. He’s cranking out content.
    He was voted most accurate by some professional IQ group, and IQ is one of the early Big PC Lies which I hate.

    Steve is the most underrated truth teller in media today.

    Team #7 Sam-I-Am:
    Steve Sailer
    Martin Gurri
    Glenn Loury
    Robin Hanson
    Lee Smith
    Bari Weiss
    James A Lindsay
    Ben Shapiro
    Angelo Codevilla
    Marc Andreesson
    Rod Dreher
    Alister McGrath
    Marvin Olasky
    New Neo
    Robert Barnes

    I’m really happy with my 15. I expect to be reading & listening to just about everything from all of them for the next 3 months. Some I haven’t been spending as much time as they deserve / as I think I should spend / not quite the most fun for me.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Tom Grey

    Here is Angelo Codevilla's latest: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/american-exodus-angelo-codevilla-oligarchy

    Excellent as usual. He's been warning about the oligarchy for years and coined the term "country class"

  125. @Bernard
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIGiYnCU4AAItN4.jpg

    Steve,

    That’s a very nice lawn, though judging by the texture, I suspect it was rolled in rather than planted. True Turfophiles grow their lawns from seed and do not take credit for others work.

    Best Wishes

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    That’s an old photo. Steve hasn’t gone outside his house since the Coronapanic began.

    Now his neighbors are complaining:


    He refuses to hire Mexicans, so the lawn waits until every last person in America is vaccinated.

    Gee, this comment section is getting massive!

  126. As far as coined terms go, “Occams’ butterknife” tops my list.

    Only problem, so many people use the butterknife and are therefore unwilling to use the phrase.

  127. Reads like the Left’s hit list. isteve, your life insurance paid up?

  128. @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    Thanks you for the (indirect, I guess) recommendation, Mr. Ross. I've got it on the way.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Happy somebody took it.

  129. @Wilkey
    @PiltdownMan

    Yet even as you want to sympathize with the Asian victims, you get this, from US House member Grace Meng (D-Taiwan):


    "Asian Americans for too long in this country have been shamefully scapegoated because of ignorant fear. That is the history of this country."
     
    She uses yet another assault by a fellow member of the Coalition of the Fringes on another member of the Coalition of the Fringes while three other members of the Coalition of the Fringes look on and do nothing...as yet another excuse to attack white people.

    Replies: @3g4me, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Grace Meng’s father Jimmy was the first Asian-American to serve in the NY State Legislature. He was also the first Asian-American former Assembly member to be convicted of wire fraud.

  130. @Almost Missouri
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Since America is importing non-Christians hand-over-fist, part of the "decline" is actually dilution by non-Christian populations. So, as usual, Fatty Yglecias is wrong: it's not "secularization", it's non-Christianization (Islamization, Hinduization, whatever East Asians believization).

    On the other hand, modern churches mostly just preach generic state/globohomo doctrine disguised as religion, so using church attendance as a proxy for the true Christian-ness is an increasingly poor proxy.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @epebble

    The second most numerous ( 26% ) and the Fastest growing (1% annually) “religion” in U.S. is nones.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2019/1018/Numbers-of-American-nones-continues-to-rise

  131. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Morton's toes


    In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.
     
    2% Positive is far too small and can't be right, but I can imagine 33% having frightening experiences.

    I did ayahuasca (or should I say it did me) three times. That was thirty years ago, and I liked it. I was with friends, and they liked it too. The situation, plus what one brings to it mentally, together determine how the experience will seem. Come to think of it, it's kind of like Steve Sailer's 50/50 nature/nurture ratio.

    Another good book about these things, which I read back then, is called From Chocolate to Morphine.


    https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1389559197l/110490.jpg

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Jim Christian

    2% Positive is far too small and can’t be right

    It was a scientific study. You know, random sample.

    If you go to a bar in the Castro District and ask the people there how many like anal fisting you get way more than 2%. Now I am not saying taking ayahuasca should be compared to anal fisting, but some of the side effects they report on erowid are things like the worst vomit and diarrhea experience of the reporter’s entire life.

    Given the choice between ayahuasca and anal fisting I would definitely try ayahuasca first. I would not compare the two experiences at all. I swear I am not doing that! : )

  132. I recall Steve saying, about ten years ago, that today everything is about marketing.

  133. @Anonymous
    Congratulations, Steve. Well deserved. You are truly amazing. We probably all take you a little bit for granted.

    Heartiste should be up there in the Top 10, too.

    When you write sometimes that you figured out the basic logic of the 21st Century, is that something you would be comfortable spelling out to us? Have you ever set it out in basic terms? Pardon me if I have missed it.

    By the way, I think this description of your commends section could be improved upon, from a marketing standpoint:

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, complete with a massive comments section
     
    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Dieter Kief, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @jon

    A yuuuuge, beautiful comment section featuring the greatest, most talented commenters ever.

    • Agree: Muggles
  134. @Tertius
    Some duds on that list. "Smokin' Joe Rogan" the top intellectual? At first glance this lineup stands out for its verbal and written incontinence. Why aren't Ibram X and Ta Nehisi on the list?

    Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Why aren’t Ibram X and Ta Nehisi on the list?

    Because they aren’t intellectuals.

  135. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I remember an on-line pundit named Gerald Celente.

     

    Gerald is keepin' on, keepin' on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcudfl7M-i0

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    I love how he loses it, he’s like Paulie Walnuts from the Sopranos describing foreign poilcy.

  136. @Mr. Anon

    We held the Fantasy Intellectual Teams draft on Saturday. 10 owners competed. The owners came from the readership of this blog, and they themselves are not public figures in any way.
     
    Owners. That's funny. Of course most public intellectuals do have owners - a few excepted naturally (like our host) - but they are the wealthy patrons who pay for thier opinions.

    Replies: @Tom Grey

    I’m that Sam-I-Am Team owner (/chooser of 15 intellectuals to be on my team) who chose Steve first.
    I actually hope others form other leagues with different scoring systems.

    I’m pretty sure a bigger focus on Truth would be helpful to society. And Steve.

  137. @Anon
    Glenn Loury is phenomenal at being able to state his opponent's argument in detail, and with all his opponent's emotion. He listens very, very closely without interrupting. Then he states a better version of his opponent's argument than the opponent did. He often is aware of more data or support for his opponent's argument than his opponent is. Sometimes he is almost crying or screaming with emotion in stating his opponent's argument, an Oscar-level performance. Then he presents his own argument and view.

    Replies: @res, @Tom Grey

    I chose Steve first – Glenn third. Expect he’ll score lots of points. But also think Steve will, tho he says here he might not.

  138. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Steve Sailer


    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.
     
    It's confusing since Rogan probably wouldn't identify himself as an intellectual if asked.

    His popularity is a function of simply being stuck in circa 2004 America in which the idea of sitting down with someone and just having a free form discussion for a few hours isn't controversial.

    There really aren't venues for 2-3 hour discussions with interesting people anywhere else which aren't curated by the Ruling Class for ideological conformity with whatever today's mandatory good think is.

    He's become a very wealthy man just by allowing people to talk to him.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Unladen Swallow

    U2 is certainly competant and some of their stuff is okay (they deserve praise for being nearly the only standard rock setup still touring with all the guys they started with), but today they are over-celebrated because far more talented contemporaries (which in U2’s case includes people like Siouxsie, Bob Smith, and Moz) retired, burnt out, overdosed or committed suicide. Similarly Rogan ought not to be such a big deal but (big smile at the thought of all the dead bodies) what with our elites’ decision to transmogrify into Stalin’s Soviet Union (Hey, the only thing wrong with it was logistics, and we have Walmart and Amazon!) he finds hinself the hero of freedom of speech.

  139. @vhrm
    Congratulations!

    You're probably right about not scoring a point, but i don't think you're "anti-viral" because you're orthogonal to current thinking. It's that you're directly opposed to it and dangerous to it so that you're actively ignored by those aware of you on the other side. You're saying something (esp with the IQ HBD stuff) that once understood is quite compelling and just antithetical to the wokesters and CRT.

    Since (afaik) you don't currently have a mainstream following "they" can ignore you 99% of the time and just shout "SPLC sez he's white supremacist the other 1%" and hope that you don't attract any more attention. Basically the same sort of thing that Ron Unz points out/claims that Unz Review suffers from: a sort of shadow censorship by agreeing that nobody should mention it. OTOH those who would be allies don't seem to quote you either for fear of being painted with the "white supremacist" brush, as unfair as that is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aexKoCI9XK0

    Replies: @Tom Grey

    “It’s that you’re directly opposed to it and dangerous to it so that you’re actively ignored by those aware of you on the other side.”

    I really like that Steve is unmentionably anti-PC by so many others, who refuse to see the truth.

  140. @Steve Sailer
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Oscar Peterson, @tyrone, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc

    I’ve heard him described as a really smart dumb guy. I’ve never listened to the podcast but he he’s an absolutely awesome color commentator for mma fights. He may be the best color commentator since John Madden.

    Also an extremely tough guy that you wouldn’t want to mess with so he is very comfortable with himself which probably makes him an excellent interviewer.

  141. @RichardTaylor
    What world are they talking about? The hard Left owns all the discourse and memes. The rest of these guys are only interesting to independent minded White guys who basically keep to themselves.

    The only powerful counter-narrative memes were terms like anti-white and white genocide which were pushed hard for years and did impact the culture.

    But fellas like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tyler Cowen and Bret Weinstein basically provide fun but pointless intellectual stimulation for a bunch of White guys who want to feel engaged without any risk.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @SFG

    I’d say there’s a dynamic where the Petersons and the Rogans reach more moderate people and the anti-white, white genocide, etc. memes reach people further right. Of course there’s overlap. Most movements have moderate and extreme/radical wings. The radical wing can sometimes push people to compromise with the moderate wing out of fear–this dynamic worked mostly on the left in the past century, though.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @SFG

    It's not about the obsolete Political spectrum.

    https://hwfo.substack.com/p/science-says-sam-harris-is-alt-right

    It's Woke vs. anti-Woke.

    The energy behind Wokelism is just the predictable result of past generations of conservatives (sic) abandoning the institutions, mores, and beliefs they were ostensibly conserving on the theory that they could simply outbreed the libs.

    The woke are what the neglected institutions made of their neglected spawn and it is in the interest of conservatives and liberals alike to clean up the mess.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  142. @Muggles
    @Known Fact


    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25?
     
    Several yeas ago, maybe even decades, there were some very good (lesbian) women writers and commentators in places like the American Conservative. Even National Review when it was relevant back then.

    "Florence King" or something like that. There were several. I'm not sure all were lesbian but some were self admitted.

    Good for them, but where did they go? Die?

    I think lesbians are much tougher and less fearful as opinionators than most women. The ones I recall were also very good writers, from the South I think.

    Now there is Ann Coulter, sorta good at times. On the other hand, there is Peggy Noonan, stinking up the Wall St. Journal. She's a bellwether of error and one of the last surviving worshipers of the Sr. Bush and of course. St. John McCain. A hater of Trump of course. I wonder who she's slept with to still be in the WSJ? A very fake "conservative" to be sure.

    Many good female actresses, many older than the average are also lesbians (most quiet about it.) They can really project, especially on television. Tough in a tough business.

    But the original point is valid. Not enough women "intellectuals" worth reading/hearing. Any others we should also note?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @SFG, @Achmed E. Newman, @Lurker

    Florence King (she wrote ‘The Misanthrope’s Corner’ at the end of National Review, as well as a bunch of humor books about the South, where she was from) and Camille Paglia do come to mind.

    Norah Vincent did a book where she masqueraded as a man (going from being a butch lesbian to an effeminate man) and wound up finding men a lot more sympathetic than she had anticipated. She even revealed her deception at the end and found most of them didn’t care. She dropped out of sight, though–there really wasn’t a big market for lesbian conservative writers in the late 2000s.

    I do suspect this is ‘people Arnold Kling’s commenters like’, so there’s some bias there obviously. I do see the names of liberals with reservations about wokeness as well as conservatives, though.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @anon
    @SFG

    Norah Vincent did a book where she masqueraded as a man ...

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Norah_Vincent

    The book, Self Made Man, is a very interesting read. She spent 18 months in her disguise.

    She dropped out of sight, though,

    First she dropped into a series of mental hospitals, because the strain of pretending to be a man plunged her into a deep depression. Then she wrote Voluntary Madness about that experience.

    –there really wasn’t a big market for lesbian conservative writers in the late 2000s.

    I dunno if Vincent qualifies as "conservative" in any sense. But she did learn something in her 18 months of acting...


    "I really like being a woman. ... I like it more now because I think it's more of a privilege." - Norah Vincent
     
  143. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    @Anon

    Greenwald, Ygelsias and Alexander are right wing? And back when I still read PJ media I remember Kimball to be a neocon.

    Replies: @Anon

    Greenwald, Ygelsias and Alexander are right wing? And back when I still read PJ media I remember Kimball to be a neocon.

    I said:

    are all right wing, or IDW, or “I’m a classical liberal, just a while back I would have been on the left-fringe, the world has gone crazy!”

    Greenwald and Yglesias fall into my third category. Alexander is sort of libertarian and kind of the third category also, with some added race realism.

    I’m not familiar with Kimball, but isn’t neocon neo plus con, meaning Zionist warmonger plus conservative?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Anon

    A neo con is basically a Trotskyite, or at best a CINO. Not sure I agree with you about Greenwald and Yglesias, but it's not a big deal.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Anon

    Here is Roger Kimball on Chauvin: https://spectator.us/topic/justice-derek-chauvin-george-floyd-minneapolis/

    Smart guy.

  144. @SFG
    @RichardTaylor

    I'd say there's a dynamic where the Petersons and the Rogans reach more moderate people and the anti-white, white genocide, etc. memes reach people further right. Of course there's overlap. Most movements have moderate and extreme/radical wings. The radical wing can sometimes push people to compromise with the moderate wing out of fear--this dynamic worked mostly on the left in the past century, though.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    It’s not about the obsolete Political spectrum.

    https://hwfo.substack.com/p/science-says-sam-harris-is-alt-right

    It’s Woke vs. anti-Woke.

    The energy behind Wokelism is just the predictable result of past generations of conservatives (sic) abandoning the institutions, mores, and beliefs they were ostensibly conserving on the theory that they could simply outbreed the libs.

    The woke are what the neglected institutions made of their neglected spawn and it is in the interest of conservatives and liberals alike to clean up the mess.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    Yep, the conservative anti-intellectualism was not without consequences.
    Steve Sailer did show signs of deficits in the conservative mindset here and there too, methinks, but he is finding his way through this muddy and rather dark terrain.
    Since the woke mindset is regressive throughout, it is destructive with regard to intellectual standards throughout. Your linked article shows the corrosive and dynamic consequences of the leftist 2coaloítoion of the fringes".
    Steve Sailer understood the strategic necessity of the woke strategy. This was a precious insight because it allows getting to grips with the tragical de-sublimation and erosion of complexity. So - Dave rubin pinned down something very important with his - meme of the regressive left.

    You make a systematically important remark in this intellectual situation by noticing, nedwahr, that it is not the left alone, that is walking the path of de-differentiation and regressive de-sublimation, but the right as well.

    So - Haidt and Peterson in reflecting on complexity as a quality and free-speech (= heterodoxy (Mill)) as the medium which was created to establish this kind of complex tensions are getting closest to - Immanuel Kant, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, and the neo-Kantians (Nicolai Hartman) and Freud.

    Here I make a last systematical remark: That Jürgen Habermas is the herald of all that I listed above in defending modernity as the by its very nature conflicted realm where the conservative and the socially progressive complex and high-strung traditions are meant to - bloom and grow.

    He got that in the eighties, that postmodernism is indeed basically (substantially) flawed because it is philosophically - flatout insufficient and /or wrong (s. Philosophical Discourse on Modernity with regard to postmodernisms shortcomings and his (monumental) Theory of Communicative Action as the throne he built for - modernity's ability to excel in heterodoxy.
    (Add to that the 2005 essay-collection Between Naturalism and Religion because here he makes it explicit, taht teh religious tradition is part of the evening empir's accomplishments.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  145. @Buzz Mohawk
    From a baseball point of view, will intellectual swinging for the fences with big ideas beat lots of little points of critique? Will the great writers be more valuable players than the skilled debaters? Will verbal batting be more important than logical pitching?

    Will there be hot dogs and beer?

    Steve should get a shirt with the number 6 on it.

    Go Sailer!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @MBlanc46

    No. 6, yeah! That was my Pony league number. Stan Musial’s and Al Kaline’s, too.

  146. @Anonymous
    Congratulations, Steve. Well deserved. You are truly amazing. We probably all take you a little bit for granted.

    Heartiste should be up there in the Top 10, too.

    When you write sometimes that you figured out the basic logic of the 21st Century, is that something you would be comfortable spelling out to us? Have you ever set it out in basic terms? Pardon me if I have missed it.

    By the way, I think this description of your commends section could be improved upon, from a marketing standpoint:

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, complete with a massive comments section
     
    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Dieter Kief, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @jon

    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?

    He claims to personally review and approve all of the comments, so why not some trendy buzzwords like “bespoke,” “craft,” or “small batch”?

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, featuring a bespoke comment section where each contribution is carefully chosen to create a small-batch, craft dialogue experience!

    • LOL: Muggles
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @jon

    This is beautiful.

    I made a list of important public thinkers as a scratch paper exercise. Not numbered, but three tiers and in alphabetical order:

    Tier I: Ron Unz, Susan Weber

    Tier II: Erik Davis, Peter Levenda, Deirdre McCloskey, Jeffrey Mishlove, Camille Paglia, Rupert Sheldrake, Jacques Vallee

    Tier III (partial--there's 36 total names including the 9 in the first two tiers): Alexander Dugin, Michael Hoffman, E. Michael Jones, Anatoly Karlin, Tim Kelly, Kevin McDonald, Charles Murray, Steve Outtrim, Steve Sailer . . .

    I include in the Tier III all of the names that I think commenters here would be interested in seeing.

    Remarks

    Since it is 2021 I will point out there are no negroes in the 36. Lest the nattering naboobs of negativism accuse me of bigotry I will point out I have in the top 9:

    Two women
    Two non-crypto jews
    One un-closeted homo
    And even . . . drumroll . . . RrRrRrRrRrRrRrRr . . . a trans person.

    Paglia is counted two times as woman and as un-closeted homo there so I only have 5/9 of the top tier thinkers as hashtag diversified, not 6/9.

    Steve Sailer is the only person on my list and Kling's.

    , @J.Ross
    @jon

    Replace "chosen" with "curated."

    , @Lurker
    @jon

    "Curated"

    Edit: Which I now see J.Ross already suggested.

  147. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    @Muggles

    Florence King (she wrote 'The Misanthrope's Corner' at the end of National Review, as well as a bunch of humor books about the South, where she was from) and Camille Paglia do come to mind.

    Norah Vincent did a book where she masqueraded as a man (going from being a butch lesbian to an effeminate man) and wound up finding men a lot more sympathetic than she had anticipated. She even revealed her deception at the end and found most of them didn't care. She dropped out of sight, though--there really wasn't a big market for lesbian conservative writers in the late 2000s.

    I do suspect this is 'people Arnold Kling's commenters like', so there's some bias there obviously. I do see the names of liberals with reservations about wokeness as well as conservatives, though.

    Replies: @anon

    Norah Vincent did a book where she masqueraded as a man …

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Norah_Vincent

    The book, Self Made Man, is a very interesting read. She spent 18 months in her disguise.

    She dropped out of sight, though,

    First she dropped into a series of mental hospitals, because the strain of pretending to be a man plunged her into a deep depression. Then she wrote Voluntary Madness about that experience.

    –there really wasn’t a big market for lesbian conservative writers in the late 2000s.

    I dunno if Vincent qualifies as “conservative” in any sense. But she did learn something in her 18 months of acting…

    “I really like being a woman. … I like it more now because I think it’s more of a privilege.” – Norah Vincent

  148. @petit bourgeois
    @Morton's toes

    I'd do ayahuasca again. The 2% number seems way too low, considering DMT is produced by the pineal glad and is the reason why we have dreams during REM sleep. It seems, anecdotally, that the only people who have a bad trip also have underlying mental demons.

    They're using it to treat PTSD and victims of sexual assault right now and I'm reading some positive benefits in a controlled environment. The only people I've ever seen have a bad trip from it were molested as children and letting go of that shit is a painful process.

    The ceremony itself is a surreal process, if you find a good shaman. People in the Amazon haven't been doing it for centuries because it's a bad thing.

    I wish Dr. Terence McKeena, the ultimate psychonaut, was around to still advocate for it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    Although promoting ayahuasca, DMT, and psilocybin until his dying day, McKenna gave up consuming them long before then because of burn out. I have not done ayahuasca or DMT, principally because they were not popular or common or available in the circles that I hung when I did acid and psilocybin and peyote. I have not done anything that strong since before my 28th birthday and I might not ever do them again. I might but damn those chemicals are hard core. Cannabis and alcohol are plenty for me and even for them I don’t do them if I need to be total 100% in less than 24 hours.

    A man Joe Rogan’s age promoting that stuff is just not smart. I suspect much of it is a pose and he thinks it’s cool and when he does do them, he does so in conservative doses.

    McKenna was an unrepentant pot head to the end, though. I love Pendell’s take on cannabis. If you smoke a little bit, it can help to make you wise. If you smoke enough, it turns you into a donkey. The dose makes all the difference between medicine and poison.

  149. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I remember an on-line pundit named Gerald Celente.

     

    Gerald is keepin' on, keepin' on:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcudfl7M-i0

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman

    Ha, thanks, Mr. Howard. I’m listening right now (in another browser tab). It’s been years, but I kind of like his style. I’m 5 minutes in, and he hasn’t said his line yet.

    OK, now at 14:45, he gets really going! I may have to keep up with Mr. Celente again.

  150. I thought the competition was odd and the categories weird. I value original thinking, which Kling doesn’t mention at all.

    Meanwhile, my first thought when I saw Steve on the list is that he’d make *my* short list, but I don’t really value steelmanning all that much, and as Steve pointed out, he doesn’t steelman.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  151. @jon
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?
     
    He claims to personally review and approve all of the comments, so why not some trendy buzzwords like "bespoke," "craft," or "small batch"?

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, featuring a bespoke comment section where each contribution is carefully chosen to create a small-batch, craft dialogue experience!
     

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @J.Ross, @Lurker

    This is beautiful.

    I made a list of important public thinkers as a scratch paper exercise. Not numbered, but three tiers and in alphabetical order:

    Tier I: Ron Unz, Susan Weber

    Tier II: Erik Davis, Peter Levenda, Deirdre McCloskey, Jeffrey Mishlove, Camille Paglia, Rupert Sheldrake, Jacques Vallee

    Tier III (partial–there’s 36 total names including the 9 in the first two tiers): Alexander Dugin, Michael Hoffman, E. Michael Jones, Anatoly Karlin, Tim Kelly, Kevin McDonald, Charles Murray, Steve Outtrim, Steve Sailer . . .

    I include in the Tier III all of the names that I think commenters here would be interested in seeing.

    Remarks

    Since it is 2021 I will point out there are no negroes in the 36. Lest the nattering naboobs of negativism accuse me of bigotry I will point out I have in the top 9:

    Two women
    Two non-crypto jews
    One un-closeted homo
    And even . . . drumroll . . . RrRrRrRrRrRrRrRr . . . a trans person.

    Paglia is counted two times as woman and as un-closeted homo there so I only have 5/9 of the top tier thinkers as hashtag diversified, not 6/9.

    Steve Sailer is the only person on my list and Kling’s.

  152. @Muggles
    @Known Fact


    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25?
     
    Several yeas ago, maybe even decades, there were some very good (lesbian) women writers and commentators in places like the American Conservative. Even National Review when it was relevant back then.

    "Florence King" or something like that. There were several. I'm not sure all were lesbian but some were self admitted.

    Good for them, but where did they go? Die?

    I think lesbians are much tougher and less fearful as opinionators than most women. The ones I recall were also very good writers, from the South I think.

    Now there is Ann Coulter, sorta good at times. On the other hand, there is Peggy Noonan, stinking up the Wall St. Journal. She's a bellwether of error and one of the last surviving worshipers of the Sr. Bush and of course. St. John McCain. A hater of Trump of course. I wonder who she's slept with to still be in the WSJ? A very fake "conservative" to be sure.

    Many good female actresses, many older than the average are also lesbians (most quiet about it.) They can really project, especially on television. Tough in a tough business.

    But the original point is valid. Not enough women "intellectuals" worth reading/hearing. Any others we should also note?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @SFG, @Achmed E. Newman, @Lurker

    Believe it or not, Peggy Noonan was a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan. WTH was the man thinking there? I agree completely that she is an idiot and is, yeah, that’s the word, a bellweather of stupidity. From your repliers comments, yes, I used to read Florence King in the back of NR before I got sick of that publication. Kudos on Lionel Shriver, though I’m getting that just from her novel The Mandibles. Does she write regularly somewhere, Known Fact?

    I agree on Ann Coulter, but don’t forget Michelle Malkin – they are the 2 favorite female literary pundits of the Peak Stupidity blog.

    I saw an hour and a half talk between Camille Paglia and Jordan Peterson. After they got done talking about Graduate schools of Art for near 1/2 an hour, it got very good. I’d never thought I could hear 2 intellectuals go on for over an hour like that before.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  153. @Anon
    @Mike Tre


    Greenwald, Ygelsias and Alexander are right wing? And back when I still read PJ media I remember Kimball to be a neocon.
     
    I said:

    are all right wing, or IDW, or “I’m a classical liberal, just a while back I would have been on the left-fringe, the world has gone crazy!”
     
    Greenwald and Yglesias fall into my third category. Alexander is sort of libertarian and kind of the third category also, with some added race realism.

    I'm not familiar with Kimball, but isn't neocon neo plus con, meaning Zionist warmonger plus conservative?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jim Don Bob

    A neo con is basically a Trotskyite, or at best a CINO. Not sure I agree with you about Greenwald and Yglesias, but it’s not a big deal.

  154. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Steve Sailer


    I assume Rogan is extremely good at what he does.
     
    It's confusing since Rogan probably wouldn't identify himself as an intellectual if asked.

    His popularity is a function of simply being stuck in circa 2004 America in which the idea of sitting down with someone and just having a free form discussion for a few hours isn't controversial.

    There really aren't venues for 2-3 hour discussions with interesting people anywhere else which aren't curated by the Ruling Class for ideological conformity with whatever today's mandatory good think is.

    He's become a very wealthy man just by allowing people to talk to him.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Unladen Swallow

    He’s had a couple of interesting interviews I’ve watched, he is knowledgeable about some things, but not others. I think you hit the nail on as far as the reasons for his popularity, he isn’t PC and that practically makes him on the right as far the SJW mob is concerned.

  155. @Desiderius
    @SFG

    It's not about the obsolete Political spectrum.

    https://hwfo.substack.com/p/science-says-sam-harris-is-alt-right

    It's Woke vs. anti-Woke.

    The energy behind Wokelism is just the predictable result of past generations of conservatives (sic) abandoning the institutions, mores, and beliefs they were ostensibly conserving on the theory that they could simply outbreed the libs.

    The woke are what the neglected institutions made of their neglected spawn and it is in the interest of conservatives and liberals alike to clean up the mess.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Yep, the conservative anti-intellectualism was not without consequences.
    Steve Sailer did show signs of deficits in the conservative mindset here and there too, methinks, but he is finding his way through this muddy and rather dark terrain.
    Since the woke mindset is regressive throughout, it is destructive with regard to intellectual standards throughout. Your linked article shows the corrosive and dynamic consequences of the leftist 2coaloítoion of the fringes”.
    Steve Sailer understood the strategic necessity of the woke strategy. This was a precious insight because it allows getting to grips with the tragical de-sublimation and erosion of complexity. So – Dave rubin pinned down something very important with his – meme of the regressive left.

    You make a systematically important remark in this intellectual situation by noticing, nedwahr, that it is not the left alone, that is walking the path of de-differentiation and regressive de-sublimation, but the right as well.

    So – Haidt and Peterson in reflecting on complexity as a quality and free-speech (= heterodoxy (Mill)) as the medium which was created to establish this kind of complex tensions are getting closest to – Immanuel Kant, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, and the neo-Kantians (Nicolai Hartman) and Freud.

    Here I make a last systematical remark: That Jürgen Habermas is the herald of all that I listed above in defending modernity as the by its very nature conflicted realm where the conservative and the socially progressive complex and high-strung traditions are meant to – bloom and grow.

    He got that in the eighties, that postmodernism is indeed basically (substantially) flawed because it is philosophically – flatout insufficient and /or wrong (s. Philosophical Discourse on Modernity with regard to postmodernisms shortcomings and his (monumental) Theory of Communicative Action as the throne he built for – modernity’s ability to excel in heterodoxy.
    (Add to that the 2005 essay-collection Between Naturalism and Religion because here he makes it explicit, taht teh religious tradition is part of the evening empir’s accomplishments.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Dieter Kief

    Sorry, the correction did not work.

    Replies: @Jack Dyckman

  156. @Dieter Kief
    @Desiderius

    Yep, the conservative anti-intellectualism was not without consequences.
    Steve Sailer did show signs of deficits in the conservative mindset here and there too, methinks, but he is finding his way through this muddy and rather dark terrain.
    Since the woke mindset is regressive throughout, it is destructive with regard to intellectual standards throughout. Your linked article shows the corrosive and dynamic consequences of the leftist 2coaloítoion of the fringes".
    Steve Sailer understood the strategic necessity of the woke strategy. This was a precious insight because it allows getting to grips with the tragical de-sublimation and erosion of complexity. So - Dave rubin pinned down something very important with his - meme of the regressive left.

    You make a systematically important remark in this intellectual situation by noticing, nedwahr, that it is not the left alone, that is walking the path of de-differentiation and regressive de-sublimation, but the right as well.

    So - Haidt and Peterson in reflecting on complexity as a quality and free-speech (= heterodoxy (Mill)) as the medium which was created to establish this kind of complex tensions are getting closest to - Immanuel Kant, Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, and the neo-Kantians (Nicolai Hartman) and Freud.

    Here I make a last systematical remark: That Jürgen Habermas is the herald of all that I listed above in defending modernity as the by its very nature conflicted realm where the conservative and the socially progressive complex and high-strung traditions are meant to - bloom and grow.

    He got that in the eighties, that postmodernism is indeed basically (substantially) flawed because it is philosophically - flatout insufficient and /or wrong (s. Philosophical Discourse on Modernity with regard to postmodernisms shortcomings and his (monumental) Theory of Communicative Action as the throne he built for - modernity's ability to excel in heterodoxy.
    (Add to that the 2005 essay-collection Between Naturalism and Religion because here he makes it explicit, taht teh religious tradition is part of the evening empir's accomplishments.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Sorry, the correction did not work.

    • Replies: @Jack Dyckman
    @Dieter Kief

    I've heard "steel man" and "steelmanning".

  157. @jon
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?
     
    He claims to personally review and approve all of the comments, so why not some trendy buzzwords like "bespoke," "craft," or "small batch"?

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, featuring a bespoke comment section where each contribution is carefully chosen to create a small-batch, craft dialogue experience!
     

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @J.Ross, @Lurker

    Replace “chosen” with “curated.”

  158. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Morton's toes


    In clinical trials 2% of the test subjects say they would be up for doing it again. 33% of the test subjects say it is horrific.
     
    2% Positive is far too small and can't be right, but I can imagine 33% having frightening experiences.

    I did ayahuasca (or should I say it did me) three times. That was thirty years ago, and I liked it. I was with friends, and they liked it too. The situation, plus what one brings to it mentally, together determine how the experience will seem. Come to think of it, it's kind of like Steve Sailer's 50/50 nature/nurture ratio.

    Another good book about these things, which I read back then, is called From Chocolate to Morphine.


    https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1389559197l/110490.jpg

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Jim Christian

    Ayahuasca? Doesn’t anyone do plain old All-American LSD anymore?

  159. On YouTube, at least, Jordan Peterson is top lobster. How’s his health coming along?

  160. @Twinkie

    1 Joe Rogan
     
    Wow, just wow.

    Replies: @AnonymousNameChange, @BB753, @Ganderson

    Joe? I’d have gone with Seth.

    Also are the Weinsteins Bobby and Dennis Hull? Joe and Dom DiMaggio? Gaylord and Jim Perry? Ken and George Brett? OK, I’ll stop now….

  161. Steelmanning can be good to do when you’re trying to highlight the differences between arguments, rather than winning an argument.

    I find this to be a productive thing to do when debating with someone who 1. holds different assumptions from me, 2. finds arguments about why my assumptions are different unconvincing, and 3. generally operates in good faith.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @megabar

    Faith is risky.

  162. @megabar
    Steelmanning can be good to do when you're trying to highlight the differences between arguments, rather than winning an argument.

    I find this to be a productive thing to do when debating with someone who 1. holds different assumptions from me, 2. finds arguments about why my assumptions are different unconvincing, and 3. generally operates in good faith.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Faith is risky.

  163. In the midst of this public health crisis a covid passport is starting to seem reasonable. The american public seems open to totalitarian policy. With this precedent set doesn’t an aids passport also make sense? If we’re going to give up a little bit of our individual freedoms let’s at least get something good out of it?

  164. @PiltdownMan
    OT:


    Asian woman brutally beaten in suspected hate crime

     

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/29/asian-woman-seriously-injured-in-suspected-midtown-hate-crime/


     

    Replies: @Wilkey, @MEH 0910

  165. @Tom Grey
    Hi Steve - it was I, Tom Grey, who drafted you first.
    Thanks for being SO AWARE of this!
    Here's most of my note at ASKblog:

    I made an ordered list of over 150 names, mostly from the cheat seat. When my #7 pick came up (6th, due to missing Team #4) I …
    decided on Steve Sailor. He was high up but not at the top of my list.
    But he was on my mind. Because of Honesty and fairness – I’ve only recently started following him more closely. He’s cranking out content.
    He was voted most accurate by some professional IQ group, and IQ is one of the early Big PC Lies which I hate.

    Steve is the most underrated truth teller in media today.

    Team #7 Sam-I-Am:
    Steve Sailer
    Martin Gurri
    Glenn Loury
    Robin Hanson
    Lee Smith
    Bari Weiss
    James A Lindsay
    Ben Shapiro
    Angelo Codevilla
    Marc Andreesson
    Rod Dreher
    Alister McGrath
    Marvin Olasky
    New Neo
    Robert Barnes

    I’m really happy with my 15. I expect to be reading & listening to just about everything from all of them for the next 3 months. Some I haven’t been spending as much time as they deserve / as I think I should spend / not quite the most fun for me.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Here is Angelo Codevilla’s latest: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/american-exodus-angelo-codevilla-oligarchy

    Excellent as usual. He’s been warning about the oligarchy for years and coined the term “country class”

  166. @Anon
    @Mike Tre


    Greenwald, Ygelsias and Alexander are right wing? And back when I still read PJ media I remember Kimball to be a neocon.
     
    I said:

    are all right wing, or IDW, or “I’m a classical liberal, just a while back I would have been on the left-fringe, the world has gone crazy!”
     
    Greenwald and Yglesias fall into my third category. Alexander is sort of libertarian and kind of the third category also, with some added race realism.

    I'm not familiar with Kimball, but isn't neocon neo plus con, meaning Zionist warmonger plus conservative?

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Jim Don Bob

  167. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Bill

    I was referring to Church membership. I provided stats in the links in my post.

    It is true that Americans self-report more Church attendance, but there's substantial evidence that they significantly overexaggerate. Though even with that, Americans probably do attend Church more often. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of Americans go to a variety of Mega Churches, but aren't necessarily members of any of them. That seems to be more common here than in the EU.

    Replies: @Bill

    “Church membership” is meaningless. Your post did not provide stats. It provided a bunch of not-comparable numbers. The claim that the US is about as irreligious as Europe is goofy, though as their Muslim population rises, it will become less goofy over time.

  168. @jon
    @Anonymous


    I don’t think many people will be drawn to a “massive comments section.” Are there other adjectives or descriptors you could use?
     
    He claims to personally review and approve all of the comments, so why not some trendy buzzwords like "bespoke," "craft," or "small batch"?

    My daily blog appears at http://unz.com/isteve, featuring a bespoke comment section where each contribution is carefully chosen to create a small-batch, craft dialogue experience!
     

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @J.Ross, @Lurker

    “Curated”

    Edit: Which I now see J.Ross already suggested.

  169. @Muggles
    @Known Fact


    Uh-oh, only one woman in the Top 25?
     
    Several yeas ago, maybe even decades, there were some very good (lesbian) women writers and commentators in places like the American Conservative. Even National Review when it was relevant back then.

    "Florence King" or something like that. There were several. I'm not sure all were lesbian but some were self admitted.

    Good for them, but where did they go? Die?

    I think lesbians are much tougher and less fearful as opinionators than most women. The ones I recall were also very good writers, from the South I think.

    Now there is Ann Coulter, sorta good at times. On the other hand, there is Peggy Noonan, stinking up the Wall St. Journal. She's a bellwether of error and one of the last surviving worshipers of the Sr. Bush and of course. St. John McCain. A hater of Trump of course. I wonder who she's slept with to still be in the WSJ? A very fake "conservative" to be sure.

    Many good female actresses, many older than the average are also lesbians (most quiet about it.) They can really project, especially on television. Tough in a tough business.

    But the original point is valid. Not enough women "intellectuals" worth reading/hearing. Any others we should also note?

    Replies: @Known Fact, @SFG, @Achmed E. Newman, @Lurker

    Peggy Noonan – the name sounds like it should belong to an actress who was briefly famous in a now half-forgotten sitcom. Later appeared in a few episodes of Murder, She Wrote.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Lurker

    Peggy Noonan worked for Dan Rather many moons ago. A smart woman, but a complete CINO.

  170. @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/victory-is-mine-in-the-boomer-cup-semifinals/

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIGiYnCU4AAItN4.jpg

    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1190107209746698241
    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1190107229732528128
    https://twitter.com/moldbugman/status/1190107241724035073

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Let us end this contest with a photo of Steve’s lawn and remembering that by winning this contest and the $20, Steve did what Boomers do best:

    Taking wealth from the younger generation.

    Somebody seems to think Social Security and Medicare didn’t pay out until 2008.

  171. @Lurker
    @Muggles

    Peggy Noonan - the name sounds like it should belong to an actress who was briefly famous in a now half-forgotten sitcom. Later appeared in a few episodes of Murder, She Wrote.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Peggy Noonan worked for Dan Rather many moons ago. A smart woman, but a complete CINO.

  172. @Dieter Kief
    @Dieter Kief

    Sorry, the correction did not work.

    Replies: @Jack Dyckman

    I’ve heard “steel man” and “steelmanning”.

  173. @sayless
    @Morton's toes

    I know people in Europe who did ayahuasca--it's legal there--and it doesn't sound like a recreational drug. The experience always included vomiting and diarrhea, and sometimes horrifying visions that could last for hours. It wasn't euphoric, they found it beneficial in another way.

    Replies: @anon, @sayless

    Help with psychiatric problems, internal conflict. I saw them regularly over the course of a few years and they were really happier and more at peace with themselves–and I wasn’t looking for it.

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