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I did an audio and video podcast called Subversive with a smart Romanian lady named Alex Kaschuta:

I speak with Steve about the people’s republic of California, Liberalism under total honesty about hate-facts, applying Moneyball-style analysis to base reality, the possibility of meritocracy, the conflation between IQ and human worth, the strange relationship between Asians and affirmative action, the legacy of Barack Obama, Abortion’s effect on crime, coining “HBD” and

the career of the concept, and much, much more.

Steve Sailer is a writer, journalist, and blogger and you probably read him all the time.

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  1. • Replies: @Ebony Obelisk
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You guys are losers

    Just look at the midterm elections

    Read Adam Kinzingers treats. He owns all of you

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @fish, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Franz
    @JohnnyWalker123

    THAT'LL teach you never to register to vote!

    The system is deadly, I tell you.

    , @Pixo
    @JohnnyWalker123

    So both OH and PA have new senators who keep sloppy beards and wear ratty hooded sweatshirts in public.

    Not helping their states’ image.

    JD Vance is at least an Amy Chua and Peter Thiel protégé.

  2. Excellent. She’s good people. Looking forward to it.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Cutter

    "She's good people."

    The last time I heard that it was from my somewhat inebriated dad talking about kinsfolk from West Texas who moved into a cabin near Auburn. They turned out to be a witch family.

  3. I remember when you were on Mancow. I know it’s dumb,but I was quite excited.😉

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Sorry, is that a joke?

    Replies: @bjdubbs

    , @Mike Tre
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Pyscho Steve the sports guy?

  4. • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dream

    Democrats are the real racists! Tolerate the cheating, blame Trump, forget about Lindsay Graham promising to ban abortion, and ignore Mitch refusing to fund good candidates.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anon
    @Dream

    Anti vaxxer idiot feels some kinship with black mentally ill homeless man, not exactly earth shattering news.

  5. @Bardon Kaldlan
    I remember when you were on Mancow. I know it's dumb,but I was quite excited.😉

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mike Tre

    Sorry, is that a joke?

    • Replies: @bjdubbs
    @JimDandy

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/me-on-mancow/

  6. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1592151212396511232

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Franz, @Pixo

    You guys are losers

    Just look at the midterm elections

    Read Adam Kinzingers treats. He owns all of you

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Ebony Obelisk

    The way the midterms went, maybe even Kinzinger could have gotten reelected.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @fish
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ohs Tinys…..

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Ebony Obelisk

    "treats"

    Steve slips in the ebonics at just the right moment. Steve's Ebony Obelisk is a parody of Steve's Tiny Duck.

  7. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1592151212396511232

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Franz, @Pixo

    THAT’LL teach you never to register to vote!

    The system is deadly, I tell you.

  8. @Ebony Obelisk
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You guys are losers

    Just look at the midterm elections

    Read Adam Kinzingers treats. He owns all of you

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @fish, @SunBakedSuburb

    The way the midterms went, maybe even Kinzinger could have gotten reelected.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dave Pinsen

    https://i.postimg.cc/ZR47MQQC/Adam-Kinzinger-Crying-640x335.jpg

  9. OT: Steve’s alma mater is sending one to Gonzaga.

    The water polo coach at Notre Dame must be really slacking to let a 6’6 white kid play basketball.
    https://247sports.com/Player/Dusty-Stromer-46117533/

  10. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    What was your subversive book selection?

    If I’m not mistaken, she only paywalls content for a week or so, then puts it up on YouTube … although I certainly wouldn’t discourage anyone from subscribing to her SubStack or Patreon.

    She definitely is smart and fearless and was the best choice for a podcast by someone like Steve. She has interviewed major names as well as Twitter trolls, and she seems to be uncancelable, tucked away in Transylvania as she is.

    However, I still cling to the hope that Steve eventually ends up on Red Scare for a more random and nonlinear interview about how “retarded and gay” the world has become.

    • Agree: Cutter, Chrisnonymous
  11. I’ll wait a week for the free version. Hope there were less technical problems than the Lipton Matthews interview. There’s a whole load of video and audio Sailer interviews here: https://archive.org/download/stevesailerinterviews

    • Thanks: MEH 0910, Dieter Kief
  12. Steve, the Red Scare girls talk about you on every podcast but are too chicken to invite.

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Hodag

    https://twitter.com/Delicious_Tacos/status/1590412362506723328

    , @Mike Tre
    @Hodag

    I'm actually half surprised Joe Rogan hasn't invited Sailer on his show. I guarantee Rogan knows who Sailer is, and Rogan has had many guests much more obscure* than Sailer.

    *not meant as a slight.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @clifford brown

    , @pirelli
    @Hodag

    I think Anna Khachiyan 100% wants to have Steve on the pod, but Dasha is probably worried it would damage her acting career.

    It’s funny that they can go and hang out with Alex Jones, but Steve might be considered a bridge too far. Or maybe an interview is already in the works, who knows. Alex Kaschuta is after all the slightly edgier, more intellectual version of Red Scare.

    It is kind of hard for me to imagine how the interview would go. I could see Steve being a bit uncomfortable talking to the girls. They have very different senses of humor and different cultural vocabularies. Steve should brush up on his Lana Del Rey trivia before he goes on the pod.

  13. Go on Red Scare! Seriously, the gals are smart and charming.

  14. @Hodag
    Steve, the Red Scare girls talk about you on every podcast but are too chicken to invite.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Mike Tre, @pirelli

  15. @Bardon Kaldlan
    I remember when you were on Mancow. I know it's dumb,but I was quite excited.😉

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Mike Tre

    Pyscho Steve the sports guy?

  16. @Hodag
    Steve, the Red Scare girls talk about you on every podcast but are too chicken to invite.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Mike Tre, @pirelli

    I’m actually half surprised Joe Rogan hasn’t invited Sailer on his show. I guarantee Rogan knows who Sailer is, and Rogan has had many guests much more obscure* than Sailer.

    *not meant as a slight.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldlan
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Mike Tre

    The anti-black sentiments of many commenters here (not to mention Steve's own commentary) makes that a non-starter. Also, nobody on Unz.com is going to be on a show like Rogan as long as Unz is taking on the JQ.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Ed

    , @clifford brown
    @Mike Tre


    Rogan: Huh. Really? Jamie pull up FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 6.
     
    Never going to happen unfortunately.
  17. @JimDandy
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Sorry, is that a joke?

    Replies: @bjdubbs

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  18. @Dream
    This is funny.

    https://twitter.com/ellamaulding/status/1591964309101621248?t=X26gJD8DcS-qPwX-g1_D4w&s=19

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon

    Democrats are the real racists! Tolerate the cheating, blame Trump, forget about Lindsay Graham promising to ban abortion, and ignore Mitch refusing to fund good candidates.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @J.Ross

    What's with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham? I'm not a fan of the man but it's not just him. The pro life movement has been clear they want to ban abortion everywhere. They've been saying that for years. The problem is not one Senator. It's that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult who think a deity will reward them for forcing strippers to have more kids.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

  19. @Dave Pinsen
    @Ebony Obelisk

    The way the midterms went, maybe even Kinzinger could have gotten reelected.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  20. Steve, her website stinks–was unable to get a new PW sent to my email

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Meretricious


    her website stinks–was unable to get a new PW sent to my email
     
    Her website is SubStack (and Patreon). They work just fine. The odds are overwhelming that there is a problem on your side (spam folder?).

    The showers seem to be paywalled for a month or two. Her Amy Wax interview isn’t released yet. Everything she does is relatively evergreen, so it doesn’t need to be public right away.
  21. Steve, if you go on Red Scare, I’ll give you $100.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Cutter

    Poor man might die from vocal fry poisoning.

    Replies: @Cutter

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/JDVance1/status/1592151212396511232

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk, @Franz, @Pixo

    So both OH and PA have new senators who keep sloppy beards and wear ratty hooded sweatshirts in public.

    Not helping their states’ image.

    JD Vance is at least an Amy Chua and Peter Thiel protégé.

  23. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @Meretricious
    Steve, her website stinks--was unable to get a new PW sent to my email

    Replies: @Anon

    her website stinks–was unable to get a new PW sent to my email

    Her website is SubStack (and Patreon). They work just fine. The odds are overwhelming that there is a problem on your side (spam folder?).

    The showers seem to be paywalled for a month or two. Her Amy Wax interview isn’t released yet. Everything she does is relatively evergreen, so it doesn’t need to be public right away.

    • Thanks: Meretricious
  24. “Jolly Heretic” Ed Dutton recently had Amy Wax on his show.
    She said she admires Steve Sailer; she calls Jared Taylor a friend; she further mentions John Derbyshire, Michael Anton (and his “celebration parallax”), Charles Murray, and Richard Hanania.
    See:


    Video Link

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  25. @Dream
    This is funny.

    https://twitter.com/ellamaulding/status/1591964309101621248?t=X26gJD8DcS-qPwX-g1_D4w&s=19

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Anon

    Anti vaxxer idiot feels some kinship with black mentally ill homeless man, not exactly earth shattering news.

  26. @Mike Tre
    @Hodag

    I'm actually half surprised Joe Rogan hasn't invited Sailer on his show. I guarantee Rogan knows who Sailer is, and Rogan has had many guests much more obscure* than Sailer.

    *not meant as a slight.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @clifford brown

    The anti-black sentiments of many commenters here (not to mention Steve’s own commentary) makes that a non-starter. Also, nobody on Unz.com is going to be on a show like Rogan as long as Unz is taking on the JQ.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Chrisnonymous


    The anti-black sentiments of many commenters here (not to mention Steve’s own commentary) makes that a non-starter.
     
    Dude, don't conflate anti-black with race realism. They be sui generis. You folly?
    , @Ed
    @Chrisnonymous

    The issue is the general public and media won’t make such distinction. Rogan isn’t risking his livelihood to have Sailer or anyone that is even slightly perceived as anti-black.

    That being said Rogan has talked about IQ and race on his show.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  27. Steve,
    I listen to Subversive regularly and am looking forward to this interview. Recently, Alex has been mentioning how she is stockpiling wood and concerned about getting through the cold Romanian winter with her newborn because of the energy situation in Europe. So, I am looking forward to your explanation to her about why Ukrainians have to keep dying and she has to freeze all winter so that Russia can be “punished” for not submitting to American hegemonic management of European borders.

  28. She’s very compelling, and as a bonus…she’s funny.

    My favorite quote from her, describing Netflix: “It’s just lesbians. All the way down.”

  29. @Ebony Obelisk
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You guys are losers

    Just look at the midterm elections

    Read Adam Kinzingers treats. He owns all of you

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @fish, @SunBakedSuburb

    Ohs Tinys…..

  30. Anon[587] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    @Dream

    Democrats are the real racists! Tolerate the cheating, blame Trump, forget about Lindsay Graham promising to ban abortion, and ignore Mitch refusing to fund good candidates.

    Replies: @Anon

    What’s with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham? I’m not a fan of the man but it’s not just him. The pro life movement has been clear they want to ban abortion everywhere. They’ve been saying that for years. The problem is not one Senator. It’s that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult who think a deity will reward them for forcing strippers to have more kids.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @Anon

    "The problem is not one Senator. It’s that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult who think a deity will reward them for forcing strippers[UNDERCLASS BLACK FEMALES] to have more kids."

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    It’s that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult...
     
    ...that had its way in 45 or 46 states as late as January 1973. (And in all of Canada until January 1988.) Your contempt for everyday normal Americans is showing. But then, you are "Anon", the worst commenter of all.

    People are hinting that the Supreme Court may soon throw out affirmative action. This affects as many if not more on the other side than does abortion, so 2024 may be a repeat of post-Roe 2020.

    Will our consistent opposition to AA then also be derided as a "cult"?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @J.Ross
    @Anon

    What’s with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham?

    Graham is the one Republican who is clearly responsible for Democrat mid-term success. After the Supreme Court ended Roe, abortion was not banned, it went back to the states. Every single right wing radio host was saying every day that this was not a ban on abortion. Most said we shouldn't ban abortion nationally but leave it up to states. Then Graham did exactly what the Democrats needed him to do, as he often does. Graham's performance is especially memorable as neocons push the dishonest line that Trump succeeding demonstrates that Trump cannot succeed. If there is a Republican responsible at the national level for this result it's definitely Graham, the homosexual who only even tries to be conservative during court appointment hearings, when the result is safely pre-decided.

    But pro-lifers wanted

    Pro-lifers wanting anything doesn't translate to "throw an election." Had Graham kept his mouth shut and had the election gone differently, they might be able to actually get this thing they say they want. Funny how that works.

    Back when the Supreme decision happened I freaked out specifically that this could cost us mid-term elections we would otherwise win. I wrongly calmed down because I don't like the idea of infighting and because some polling emerged suggesting that people weren't that concerned about it. We should have as a party reprimanded Graham as soon as he babbled and then immediately made clear that there was no national plan for abortion and there wasn't going to be one. We already had the religious voters anyway thanks to the decision plus the teacher union normalization of pedophilia. Total own goal.

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Dieter Kief

  31. @Cutter
    Excellent. She's good people. Looking forward to it.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “She’s good people.”

    The last time I heard that it was from my somewhat inebriated dad talking about kinsfolk from West Texas who moved into a cabin near Auburn. They turned out to be a witch family.

  32. @Ebony Obelisk
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You guys are losers

    Just look at the midterm elections

    Read Adam Kinzingers treats. He owns all of you

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @fish, @SunBakedSuburb

    “treats”

    Steve slips in the ebonics at just the right moment. Steve’s Ebony Obelisk is a parody of Steve’s Tiny Duck.

  33. @Anon
    @J.Ross

    What's with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham? I'm not a fan of the man but it's not just him. The pro life movement has been clear they want to ban abortion everywhere. They've been saying that for years. The problem is not one Senator. It's that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult who think a deity will reward them for forcing strippers to have more kids.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    “The problem is not one Senator. It’s that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult who think a deity will reward them for forcing strippers[UNDERCLASS BLACK FEMALES] to have more kids.”

  34. @Chrisnonymous
    @Mike Tre

    The anti-black sentiments of many commenters here (not to mention Steve's own commentary) makes that a non-starter. Also, nobody on Unz.com is going to be on a show like Rogan as long as Unz is taking on the JQ.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Ed

    The anti-black sentiments of many commenters here (not to mention Steve’s own commentary) makes that a non-starter.

    Dude, don’t conflate anti-black with race realism. They be sui generis. You folly?

  35. @Hodag
    Steve, the Red Scare girls talk about you on every podcast but are too chicken to invite.

    Replies: @IHTG, @Mike Tre, @pirelli

    I think Anna Khachiyan 100% wants to have Steve on the pod, but Dasha is probably worried it would damage her acting career.

    It’s funny that they can go and hang out with Alex Jones, but Steve might be considered a bridge too far. Or maybe an interview is already in the works, who knows. Alex Kaschuta is after all the slightly edgier, more intellectual version of Red Scare.

    It is kind of hard for me to imagine how the interview would go. I could see Steve being a bit uncomfortable talking to the girls. They have very different senses of humor and different cultural vocabularies. Steve should brush up on his Lana Del Rey trivia before he goes on the pod.

  36. @Anon
    @J.Ross

    What's with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham? I'm not a fan of the man but it's not just him. The pro life movement has been clear they want to ban abortion everywhere. They've been saying that for years. The problem is not one Senator. It's that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult who think a deity will reward them for forcing strippers to have more kids.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    It’s that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult…

    …that had its way in 45 or 46 states as late as January 1973. (And in all of Canada until January 1988.) Your contempt for everyday normal Americans is showing. But then, you are “Anon”, the worst commenter of all.

    People are hinting that the Supreme Court may soon throw out affirmative action. This affects as many if not more on the other side than does abortion, so 2024 may be a repeat of post-Roe 2020.

    Will our consistent opposition to AA then also be derided as a “cult”?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Will our consistent opposition to AA then also be derided as a “cult”?"

    No. Banning affirmative action will benefit me. Banning abortion won't. It's something people demand because a deity told them to.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  37. @Mike Tre
    @Hodag

    I'm actually half surprised Joe Rogan hasn't invited Sailer on his show. I guarantee Rogan knows who Sailer is, and Rogan has had many guests much more obscure* than Sailer.

    *not meant as a slight.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @clifford brown

    Rogan: Huh. Really? Jamie pull up FBI Expanded Homicide Data Table 6.

    Never going to happen unfortunately.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • LOL: Cutter
  38. @Cutter
    Steve, if you go on Red Scare, I'll give you $100.

    Replies: @clifford brown

    Poor man might die from vocal fry poisoning.

    • LOL: Cutter
    • Replies: @Cutter
    @clifford brown

    I'll make it $150 if he asks Dasha about Adam from Cum Town.

  39. When will we see you on Fox, MSNBC or CNN? Or even CSPAN?

  40. In California, as I can understand it, no properties value — for tax purposes — can be assessed until some homeowner sells it on the free market. Meaning that lots in the same tract have over time wildly divergent property taxes.

    Does Mr. Sailer have any Money-ball analyzes of this?

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    It’s that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult...
     
    ...that had its way in 45 or 46 states as late as January 1973. (And in all of Canada until January 1988.) Your contempt for everyday normal Americans is showing. But then, you are "Anon", the worst commenter of all.

    People are hinting that the Supreme Court may soon throw out affirmative action. This affects as many if not more on the other side than does abortion, so 2024 may be a repeat of post-Roe 2020.

    Will our consistent opposition to AA then also be derided as a "cult"?

    Replies: @Anon

    “Will our consistent opposition to AA then also be derided as a “cult”?”

    No. Banning affirmative action will benefit me. Banning abortion won’t. It’s something people demand because a deity told them to.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anon

    It is now past the time to think like this. It is now abundantly clear that, rather than adjusting one discrete, atomized, hermetically sealed issue, we make or unmake society, that tolerating homosexual marriage is not about tolerating people, that abortion is not about abortion. Look at what has happened to society as these pinpricks in the rubber have let water out of the balloon.

  42. @Anon
    @J.Ross

    What's with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham? I'm not a fan of the man but it's not just him. The pro life movement has been clear they want to ban abortion everywhere. They've been saying that for years. The problem is not one Senator. It's that the GOP is being held hostage by this cult who think a deity will reward them for forcing strippers to have more kids.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross

    What’s with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham?

    Graham is the one Republican who is clearly responsible for Democrat mid-term success. After the Supreme Court ended Roe, abortion was not banned, it went back to the states. Every single right wing radio host was saying every day that this was not a ban on abortion. Most said we shouldn’t ban abortion nationally but leave it up to states. Then Graham did exactly what the Democrats needed him to do, as he often does. Graham’s performance is especially memorable as neocons push the dishonest line that Trump succeeding demonstrates that Trump cannot succeed. If there is a Republican responsible at the national level for this result it’s definitely Graham, the homosexual who only even tries to be conservative during court appointment hearings, when the result is safely pre-decided.

    But pro-lifers wanted

    Pro-lifers wanting anything doesn’t translate to “throw an election.” Had Graham kept his mouth shut and had the election gone differently, they might be able to actually get this thing they say they want. Funny how that works.

    Back when the Supreme decision happened I freaked out specifically that this could cost us mid-term elections we would otherwise win. I wrongly calmed down because I don’t like the idea of infighting and because some polling emerged suggesting that people weren’t that concerned about it. We should have as a party reprimanded Graham as soon as he babbled and then immediately made clear that there was no national plan for abortion and there wasn’t going to be one. We already had the religious voters anyway thanks to the decision plus the teacher union normalization of pedophilia. Total own goal.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @J.Ross

    This hasn't been pointed out enough. These should go down as the Abortion Mid-Terms of '22 and Roe ending may have even hurt less than Lindsay Graham coming out a few months ago saying saying give my side more power and these are the real priorities for who knows how many of us - not the economy or doing anything to help working people, but really coming after the reproductive choices of every woman in this country.

    It pulled the rug out from under the case made for decades by non- Christians on the right that ending Roe would just be throwing it back to the states which would be free to choose. If I felt about abortion the way liberal people do, I can imagine Graham's pledge of action being even more threatening than the fact of Roe ending, and I bet under the surface that phantom power grab in a moment of hugely ill-founded entitlement that the mid-terms were in the bag for Republicans play a huge role in energizing liberals and activating people of all walks of life to really make the effort to vote this time.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross


    Graham is the one Republican who is clearly responsible for Democrat mid-term success. After the Supreme Court ended Roe, abortion was not banned, it went back to the states. Every single right wing radio host was saying every day that this was not a ban on abortion.
     
    Interesting. Would you know of any sociological data to support your - thesis?
    I read that non-maried white women were 68% leaning democrat - as opposed to the married ones. - This might have ot do with your remarks?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  43. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Will our consistent opposition to AA then also be derided as a “cult”?"

    No. Banning affirmative action will benefit me. Banning abortion won't. It's something people demand because a deity told them to.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    It is now past the time to think like this. It is now abundantly clear that, rather than adjusting one discrete, atomized, hermetically sealed issue, we make or unmake society, that tolerating homosexual marriage is not about tolerating people, that abortion is not about abortion. Look at what has happened to society as these pinpricks in the rubber have let water out of the balloon.

  44. @clifford brown
    @Cutter

    Poor man might die from vocal fry poisoning.

    Replies: @Cutter

    I’ll make it $150 if he asks Dasha about Adam from Cum Town.

  45. @J.Ross
    @Anon

    What’s with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham?

    Graham is the one Republican who is clearly responsible for Democrat mid-term success. After the Supreme Court ended Roe, abortion was not banned, it went back to the states. Every single right wing radio host was saying every day that this was not a ban on abortion. Most said we shouldn't ban abortion nationally but leave it up to states. Then Graham did exactly what the Democrats needed him to do, as he often does. Graham's performance is especially memorable as neocons push the dishonest line that Trump succeeding demonstrates that Trump cannot succeed. If there is a Republican responsible at the national level for this result it's definitely Graham, the homosexual who only even tries to be conservative during court appointment hearings, when the result is safely pre-decided.

    But pro-lifers wanted

    Pro-lifers wanting anything doesn't translate to "throw an election." Had Graham kept his mouth shut and had the election gone differently, they might be able to actually get this thing they say they want. Funny how that works.

    Back when the Supreme decision happened I freaked out specifically that this could cost us mid-term elections we would otherwise win. I wrongly calmed down because I don't like the idea of infighting and because some polling emerged suggesting that people weren't that concerned about it. We should have as a party reprimanded Graham as soon as he babbled and then immediately made clear that there was no national plan for abortion and there wasn't going to be one. We already had the religious voters anyway thanks to the decision plus the teacher union normalization of pedophilia. Total own goal.

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Dieter Kief

    This hasn’t been pointed out enough. These should go down as the Abortion Mid-Terms of ’22 and Roe ending may have even hurt less than Lindsay Graham coming out a few months ago saying saying give my side more power and these are the real priorities for who knows how many of us – not the economy or doing anything to help working people, but really coming after the reproductive choices of every woman in this country.

    It pulled the rug out from under the case made for decades by non- Christians on the right that ending Roe would just be throwing it back to the states which would be free to choose. If I felt about abortion the way liberal people do, I can imagine Graham’s pledge of action being even more threatening than the fact of Roe ending, and I bet under the surface that phantom power grab in a moment of hugely ill-founded entitlement that the mid-terms were in the bag for Republicans play a huge role in energizing liberals and activating people of all walks of life to really make the effort to vote this time.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
  46. @J.Ross
    @Anon

    What’s with this anger specifically against Lindsay Graham?

    Graham is the one Republican who is clearly responsible for Democrat mid-term success. After the Supreme Court ended Roe, abortion was not banned, it went back to the states. Every single right wing radio host was saying every day that this was not a ban on abortion. Most said we shouldn't ban abortion nationally but leave it up to states. Then Graham did exactly what the Democrats needed him to do, as he often does. Graham's performance is especially memorable as neocons push the dishonest line that Trump succeeding demonstrates that Trump cannot succeed. If there is a Republican responsible at the national level for this result it's definitely Graham, the homosexual who only even tries to be conservative during court appointment hearings, when the result is safely pre-decided.

    But pro-lifers wanted

    Pro-lifers wanting anything doesn't translate to "throw an election." Had Graham kept his mouth shut and had the election gone differently, they might be able to actually get this thing they say they want. Funny how that works.

    Back when the Supreme decision happened I freaked out specifically that this could cost us mid-term elections we would otherwise win. I wrongly calmed down because I don't like the idea of infighting and because some polling emerged suggesting that people weren't that concerned about it. We should have as a party reprimanded Graham as soon as he babbled and then immediately made clear that there was no national plan for abortion and there wasn't going to be one. We already had the religious voters anyway thanks to the decision plus the teacher union normalization of pedophilia. Total own goal.

    Replies: @Sam Malone, @Dieter Kief

    Graham is the one Republican who is clearly responsible for Democrat mid-term success. After the Supreme Court ended Roe, abortion was not banned, it went back to the states. Every single right wing radio host was saying every day that this was not a ban on abortion.

    Interesting. Would you know of any sociological data to support your – thesis?
    I read that non-maried white women were 68% leaning democrat – as opposed to the married ones. – This might have ot do with your remarks?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    Only that there was a tremendous showing by the very young, and they were mainly focused on abortion rights and the environment (?!) and maybe student loans. There have been demonstrations by women (not sure how popular), and "preserving abortion rights" was a constant Democrat slogan. In Michigan, abortion (as well as insecure voting), are now enshrined in the state constitution through '22 midterm ballot proposals, which won by overwhelming margins.
    However, the political situation is perfectly clear, though it might get distorted when transmitted overseas. Right-wing radio hosts and their calling-in listeners were not wildly jubilant or triumphant after the Supreme decision eliminating Roe, there was this restrained happiness, and frequently the explanation that this was not a ban, and that no national ban was coming. This was a consistent and frequent message, a de facto party line.
    Then out of nowhere, and in response to no one, Graham announces that if they get enough seats in the mid-terms, he will make A Handmaid's Tale real. Mike Gallagher (a nominal idiot who gets things right more often than nominal smart guy Hugh Hewitt through sense and clarity) immediately reacted that this could cost us the mid-terms.
    This is like the eighth or ninth time I have wanted Graham expelled from the party. Thanks to his screwup, it wouldn't hurt us: we're losing the Senate anyway.
    The big things were crime and the economy, which overwhelmingly favored us. Even after the Supreme decision, abortion wasn't really an issue, until Graham opened his mouth.

    Replies: @Bill P

  47. @Dieter Kief
    @J.Ross


    Graham is the one Republican who is clearly responsible for Democrat mid-term success. After the Supreme Court ended Roe, abortion was not banned, it went back to the states. Every single right wing radio host was saying every day that this was not a ban on abortion.
     
    Interesting. Would you know of any sociological data to support your - thesis?
    I read that non-maried white women were 68% leaning democrat - as opposed to the married ones. - This might have ot do with your remarks?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Only that there was a tremendous showing by the very young, and they were mainly focused on abortion rights and the environment (?!) and maybe student loans. There have been demonstrations by women (not sure how popular), and “preserving abortion rights” was a constant Democrat slogan. In Michigan, abortion (as well as insecure voting), are now enshrined in the state constitution through ’22 midterm ballot proposals, which won by overwhelming margins.
    However, the political situation is perfectly clear, though it might get distorted when transmitted overseas. Right-wing radio hosts and their calling-in listeners were not wildly jubilant or triumphant after the Supreme decision eliminating Roe, there was this restrained happiness, and frequently the explanation that this was not a ban, and that no national ban was coming. This was a consistent and frequent message, a de facto party line.
    Then out of nowhere, and in response to no one, Graham announces that if they get enough seats in the mid-terms, he will make A Handmaid’s Tale real. Mike Gallagher (a nominal idiot who gets things right more often than nominal smart guy Hugh Hewitt through sense and clarity) immediately reacted that this could cost us the mid-terms.
    This is like the eighth or ninth time I have wanted Graham expelled from the party. Thanks to his screwup, it wouldn’t hurt us: we’re losing the Senate anyway.
    The big things were crime and the economy, which overwhelmingly favored us. Even after the Supreme decision, abortion wasn’t really an issue, until Graham opened his mouth.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @J.Ross

    Lindsey Graham is a political prodigy.

    If he said stuff that threw a wrench in the Republicans' prospects in the elections, it was deliberate and he personally stood to benefit.

    People tend to underestimate the skill of some of these operators. There are the obvious tools like Patty Murray and Fetterman, and then there are the real pros like Graham, Schumer, McConnell, Pelosi, etc.

    I look at these politicians in the same way I regard Tom Brady and Michael Jordan as athletes. They are just that good at it.

    But ultimately what matters is whether they are playing for us or not.

    Still, they deserve respect either way as exemplars of their craft, as true to form as we'll see in this world.

  48. @Chrisnonymous
    @Mike Tre

    The anti-black sentiments of many commenters here (not to mention Steve's own commentary) makes that a non-starter. Also, nobody on Unz.com is going to be on a show like Rogan as long as Unz is taking on the JQ.

    Replies: @Meretricious, @Ed

    The issue is the general public and media won’t make such distinction. Rogan isn’t risking his livelihood to have Sailer or anyone that is even slightly perceived as anti-black.

    That being said Rogan has talked about IQ and race on his show.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Ed

    Douglas Murray and Jordan B. Peterson are both race realists with regard to IQ and - have both been on Rogan's podcast.

  49. @Ed
    @Chrisnonymous

    The issue is the general public and media won’t make such distinction. Rogan isn’t risking his livelihood to have Sailer or anyone that is even slightly perceived as anti-black.

    That being said Rogan has talked about IQ and race on his show.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Douglas Murray and Jordan B. Peterson are both race realists with regard to IQ and – have both been on Rogan’s podcast.

  50. @J.Ross
    @Dieter Kief

    Only that there was a tremendous showing by the very young, and they were mainly focused on abortion rights and the environment (?!) and maybe student loans. There have been demonstrations by women (not sure how popular), and "preserving abortion rights" was a constant Democrat slogan. In Michigan, abortion (as well as insecure voting), are now enshrined in the state constitution through '22 midterm ballot proposals, which won by overwhelming margins.
    However, the political situation is perfectly clear, though it might get distorted when transmitted overseas. Right-wing radio hosts and their calling-in listeners were not wildly jubilant or triumphant after the Supreme decision eliminating Roe, there was this restrained happiness, and frequently the explanation that this was not a ban, and that no national ban was coming. This was a consistent and frequent message, a de facto party line.
    Then out of nowhere, and in response to no one, Graham announces that if they get enough seats in the mid-terms, he will make A Handmaid's Tale real. Mike Gallagher (a nominal idiot who gets things right more often than nominal smart guy Hugh Hewitt through sense and clarity) immediately reacted that this could cost us the mid-terms.
    This is like the eighth or ninth time I have wanted Graham expelled from the party. Thanks to his screwup, it wouldn't hurt us: we're losing the Senate anyway.
    The big things were crime and the economy, which overwhelmingly favored us. Even after the Supreme decision, abortion wasn't really an issue, until Graham opened his mouth.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Lindsey Graham is a political prodigy.

    If he said stuff that threw a wrench in the Republicans’ prospects in the elections, it was deliberate and he personally stood to benefit.

    People tend to underestimate the skill of some of these operators. There are the obvious tools like Patty Murray and Fetterman, and then there are the real pros like Graham, Schumer, McConnell, Pelosi, etc.

    I look at these politicians in the same way I regard Tom Brady and Michael Jordan as athletes. They are just that good at it.

    But ultimately what matters is whether they are playing for us or not.

    Still, they deserve respect either way as exemplars of their craft, as true to form as we’ll see in this world.

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