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The bumptious leader of the Zulu faction within the ruling African National Congress party, Jacob Zuma, got himself kicked out of the presidency for corruption in 2018 and replaced by Cyril Ramaphosa, who, curiously, is much richer than Zuma.

Now the government is putting Zuma in jail and the Zulus are up in arms.

From Bloomberg:

As Rioters Overwhelm Police, South African Civilians Step In

Loni Prinsloo and Roxanne Henderson
Wed, July 14, 2021, 5:44 AM·4 min read

(Bloomberg) — South African taxi drivers, private security companies and ordinary civilians are stepping up to protect their businesses and communities following days of rioting and looting that the authorities have failed to quell.

Protests erupted on July 10, triggered by former President Jacob Zuma’s incarceration on contempt-of-court charges, and quickly degenerated into a free-for-all in the KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng provinces, two of the country’s main economic hubs. At least 72 people have been killed, making the uprising the deadliest since apartheid ended in 1994. Hundreds of businesses have been ransacked by marauding mobs, and with the police unable to restore order, others are filling the breach.

“Our plan is to make sure that our taxi drivers must protect the malls,” Bafana Magagula, strategy manager for the South African National Taxi Council, said Wednesday by phone. “Any structure that is demolished where large groups of people are working, we are losing, it’s minus, minus. If we don’t protect those structures, at the end of the day we will be out of business.” …

Private security contractors were deployed to guard fuel stations and other key facilities in KwaZulu-Natal. With more than 100 mobile-phone towers destroyed by protesters, the nation’s telecommunications regulator issued a direct plea to communities to help guard communications infrastructure.

… Ramaphosa’s office said he is consulting with the leaders of religious groups, business and political parties on how best to restore stability.

“The National Prosecuting Authority is putting together a team of special prosecutors who have been instructed to oppose bail for suspects associated with public violence and economic sabotage,” it said in a statement late Tuesday.

We wouldn’t want to be like those feckless Soros DAs in the U.S.

I explained some of the background in Taki’s Magazine in 2018 just before Zuma’s ouster.

The president of South Africa, Jacob Zuma, the colorful Zulu polygamist with, at last count, six wives and 21 children, is in trouble with his ruling African National Congress after having fenced much of the country to the Gupta family.

These Indian operators, who moved to South Africa in 1993 to cash in on the end of apartheid, fled to Dubai in 2016, leaving Zuma politically precarious.

Now international elites are castigating the fallen Guptas and their now-defunct London public relations firm, Bell Pottinger, for, curiously enough, having ginned up in their defense an antiwhite PR campaign denouncing “white monopoly capital.”

The New York Times, for example, lashed out at the antiwhite racism of the Guptas’ phrase “white monopoly capital”:

By the following year, Bell Pottinger was embroiled in a national maelstrom. In TV reports, editorials and public rallies, it stood accused of setting off racial tensions through a furtive campaign built on Twitter bots, hate-filled websites and speeches. All were pushing a highly toxic narrative, namely that whites in South Africa had seized resources and wealth while they deprived blacks of education and jobs. The message was popularized with an incendiary phrase, “white monopoly capital.”

Nobody has yet explained, however, why castigating “white monopoly capital” in South Africa is bad, while demonizing “white privilege” in America is very, very good. …

Why is it so bad to argue against “white monopoly capital” in South Africa but so admirable to excoriate “white privilege” in America?

Well, for one thing, “white monopoly capital” is a reasonably accurate term, while “white privilege” is largely used to revile whites who aren’t terribly privileged, like Ferguson ex-policeman Darren Wilson, or who aren’t terribly white, like George Zimmerman, or who aren’t terribly existent, like Haven Monahan. …

In contrast, white monopoly capital really is a thing in South Africa, which was home to the world’s most famous monopoly since the 1911 breakup of Standard Oil, the De Beers diamond firm, which was founded by Cecil Rhodes and Alfred Beit. Until De Beers pled guilty to price-fixing in 2004, its executives could not set foot in the U.S. because they would have been arrested for violations of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

De Beers was long controlled by the Oppenheimer family, which got into a public feud with the Guptas a year ago.

A general tip that Zuma failed to follow is not to get on the wrong side of somebody named Oppenheimer:

It’s worth remembering that nearby Zimbabwe bumped along fairly well for its first couple of decades of black rule with the white farmers mostly being allowed to carry on. But then in 2000, a black vs. black political dispute between president Robert Mugabe and his challenger led Mugabe to despoil the whites to pay off his black bully boys.

A similar concern for South Africa has been that a black-on-black political spat could similarly lead to an anti-white surge. Well, we shall see.

 
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  1. notsaying says:

    “‘Please protest and loot responsibly’: Jailed Jacob Zuma’s son urges father’s supporters to show restraint as South Africa’s lawlessness spreads and even POLICE are caught raiding shops

    – Duduzane Zuma took to Instagram to call for his father to be freed and the Covid lockdown to end,

    – He warned that with troops deployed SA is ‘just one massacre away from a complete spiralling out of control’

    – The 37-year-old said that ‘finger pointing’ was not going to help because the government must ‘feed the poor’

    – He blamed the looting on lockdown-fuelled inequity, saying that many of these looters were ‘middle-class’”

    This is the headline and some subheads.

    I feel like i have to build up to actually reading the article,

    I wonder if “loot responsibly” will become a thing? This has been a good day for unintended humor in the news. I laughed out loud at the thought of Iranians kidnapping someone in Brooklyn and take by speedboat to Venezuela.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9786731/POLICE-caught-looting-goods-South-Africas-descent-lawlessness-continues.html

  2. There will probably be a few posts noting that while South Africa ditched its nukes, Israel and India have not – and probably none that relations between Jews and Boers were sorely strained when Piet Retief in a retort to a request to accompany him in order to establish a “homestead” (“Oppenheim” auf Krautsprach) in the interior, “Silly Rabbi, Treks aren’t for Yids.”

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  3. Who let the Bantus into South Africa in the first place? That was even more destructive than our own corrupt and idiotic immigration policy of the 17th and 18th centuries.

  4. I laughed out loud at the thought of Iranians kidnapping someone in Brooklyn and take by speedboat to Venezuela.

    That alleged kidnapping plot “foiled” by the FBI is pure disinfo of a laughably incompetent grade. They are just phoning it in now.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  5. Hunter Biden.

  6. Raches says:

    Well, for one thing, “white monopoly capital” is a reasonably accurate term… white monopoly capital really is a thing in South Africa, which was home to the world’s most famous monopoly since the 1911 breakup of Standard Oil, the De Beers diamond firm…

    De Beers was long controlled by the Oppenheimer family, which got into a public feud with the Guptas a year ago.

    It is “reasonably accurate” in the same way as that Twitter meme about the U.S. Federal Reserve being “a bunch of white men controlling everybody’s money”.

    Hey, it is also “reasonably accurate” to observe that the Oppenheimers are evil Germans—the same as Karl Marx!

    It’s worth remembering that nearby Zimbabwe bumped along fairly well for its first couple of decades of black rule with the white farmers mostly being allowed to carry on.

    If by “bumped along fairly well” you mean, “became an abyss of black despair from which many whites fled, while the international media pretended otherwise”, then I suppose that this statement may bump along fairly well in a reasonably accurate way. Indeed, one reason why some observers in the 1980s predicted that South African whites would not agree to end apartheid was the impossibility for them to ignore the recent stream of Rhodesian refugees.

    • Agree: gandydancer
    • Replies: @Bill
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  7. usNthem says:

    After getting their asses kicked at isandlwana the brits kicked Zulu ass at rorke’s drift. Sad to say the odds of the latter happening again are slim and none. Unfortunately, the Boers aren’t any better off.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
  8. anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying

    I wonder if “loot responsibly” will become a thing?

    “Good morning, Mr. Phelps…your mission, should you decide to accept it…”

    • LOL: notsaying
    • Replies: @Dmon
  9. … could similarly lead to an anti-white surge. Well, we shall see.

    Could lead to? It’s already happening, bro. Been happening for quite some time. This from 2017:

    ‘Bury them alive!’: White South Africans fear for their future as horrific farm attacks escalate

    “The average murder ratio per 100,000 or the population in the world is nine, I believe. In South Africa, it is 54. But for the farming community it is 138, which is the highest for any occupation in the world.”
    Since 2007, at the direction of the government, South African police have stopped releasing statistics about the race of the victims. Monitoring group Genocide Watch says the cover-up has been exacerbated by American and European governments, which have “remained silent about the problem, reinforcing the campaign of denial”.
    The rise in farm attacks has been blamed on increasingly anti-white hate speech, particularly from the ruling African National Congress.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/bury-them-alive-white-south-africans-fear-for-their-future-as-horrific-farm-attacks-escalate/news-story/3a63389a1b0066b6b0b77522c06d6476

  10. anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Who let the Bantus into South Africa in the first place?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Djkjcgjj
  11. Whiskey says: • Website

    What is different now is that the murders and torture and rapes will all be livestreamed. And once its on the internet it can’t be unseen.

    The Covid lockdowns hit the weaker states hard: Cuba, South Africa, Haiti. There is no extra give or cushion there. Haiti will be just gangs killing and eventually eating each other. Save another 20 year occupation by the US Military which will feature working and middle class Whites mostly policing and killing low IQ and violent blacks while getting a lecture on their racial evils by the brass.

    Cuba is likely to see hard-core racial violence as the government deploys the blacks against the mestizos. Further cementing Latinos in the US as anti-black. Unless Biden sends the military to back the regime which is definitely possible. Factions within the Regency particularly Bernie, Kamala, and Pelosi want to send US troops to prop up the Communist regime.

    South Africa — its end-game for any non blacks. Their fate is to flee if possible, anywhere, otherwise they will be starved or killed. Many/most will be and it will be like I said, livestreamed and fairly brutal. Whites and Indians are too few, too poorly armed, and the military is likely to mutiny and join in killing the Whites and Indians. Zuma will be out of jail in a few weeks, and be running the place again. Into the ground but what does he care. A cynic might argue this is the Chinese intelligence agencies at work. Directing looters to hard to find places in industrial areas to cut power, electricity, port facilities, food networks, and so on. If the entire place is nothing but an atrocity war zone, China can simply come in and take South Africa. Who will oppose them, the US Navy? The Navy only cares about diversity training. Not war fighting.

    How will Ramphosa stop the looting, rioting, and killing? Personal appeals? He has none he’s an African Macron. The Army? They’re starving too and will simply loot harder and kill harder than the police who have joined the rioters.

    • Agree: Bernie
  12. @Reg Cæsar

    [one might derive a pithy (not helmet-y) Zulu maxim from the below)

    “Whatever happens with the Hottentots who are hot to trot, we Bantu have got the ass-kicking assegai and the Hottentots do not.”
    – From Shakalaka Zulu to his Khoikhoi Mistress

  13. vhrm says:

    I don’t know if Zuma’s corruption was excessive compared to his contemporaries or what was expected. My impression is that he was not particularly more corrupt or racist than other post-Mandela ANC people.

    However trying the guy now for a 1990s arms deal seems beyond short sighted. He’s 79, he’s out of power, let sleeping dogs lie (and die). Actually he hasn’t even been tried yet, let alone convicted. This is about some contempt of court charge because he didn’t show up for yet another round of testimony in front of some commission.

  14. A similar concern for South Africa has been that a black-on-black political spat could similarly lead to an anti-white surge. Well, we shall see.

    Who will be the next chief of South Africa?

    Could be a toss-up between stalwarts Ploosa Shondj and Sey Lahvee

    Here are some songs about Africa.







  15. Nobody has yet explained, however, why castigating “white monopoly capital” in South Africa is bad, while demonizing “white privilege” in America is very, very good. …

    LOL. Does anything in the world require less explanation?

    “white privilege” — the productive white majority in a white nation living–or wanting the right to live–according to its norms, values, culture; and ideally run their affairs in their own interest

    “white monopoloy capital” — the right of a white ethnic minority to financially operate (i.e. loot) in a nation where it’s a minority against the wishes of the majority

    i.e. white gentiles vs. Jews

  16. @JohnnyWalker123

    Interesting, but the deal here is that Biden is *openly* a crook. His useless son collecting brides while Biden as VP had the Ukraine portfolio.

    And the Democrats …

    a) impeached Trump for wanting the Ukrainians to investigate, something which is in Trump’s interest, but also clearing in my interest as an American citizen

    and

    b) nominated Biden as their candidate for the Presidency.

    This is appalling stuff for what’s supposed to be a republic of responsible men.

    But we’re in clown world where
    — we call men with a bizarro sex fetish “women”
    — homosexuals “marry” each other
    — black criminals are “oppressed”
    — we worship black dysfunction
    — the American President helps foreigners invade the United States–employs the military to do it.

    So honestly … ho-hum.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @J.Ross
  17. Svevlad says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hyperexpansionist agriculturalists vs peaceful pastoralists.

    In a way, the Bantu expansion was a black mirror to the Indo-European one.

  18. I don’t think this clown show of having incompetent bozos occupy the African continent will go on forever. It’s just too big a waste of real estate and resources.

    I won’t be around for it, but i’ll offer an “out there”, but not implausible, prediction:

    The black problem will be “resolved” by a Chinese biolab sometime late this century. (I hope they don’t also “resolve” the white problem that way as well, but with immigration slumping the West into incompetence … that seems quite possible as well.)

  19. South Africa voted to “join the modern world” by ending apartheid. They followed their Respectable leaders. The moderates won out.

    The destruction of South African Whites was pretty much determined at that point.

    • Agree: neutral, gandydancer
    • Replies: @Not Raul
  20. @AnotherDad

    His useless son collecting brides while Biden as VP had the Ukraine portfolio.

    Aren’t you confusing him with Jacob Zuma? Or His Majesty King Mswati III of eSwatini?

    Who appears to have skipped the country.

    • LOL: Carol
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  21. @AnotherDad

    The black problem will be “resolved” by a Chinese biolab sometime late this century. (I hope they don’t also “resolve” the white problem that way as well…)

    Wasn’t that the idea behind MSG?

    ‘Chinese Restaurant Syndrome’ – what is it and is it racist?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @El Dato
  22. @Reg Cæsar

    After Merriam-Webster rolled when a black demanded they change the definition of racism, the floodgates opened.

    They will knuckle under.

  23. According to the New York Times, nothing of interest is happening in South Africa these days. To quote Detective Frank Drebin, “Nothing to see here.” It merited one short mention in the international news section a few days ago.

  24. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Not really:

    Basic, basic Adam Smith style reductive economics tells us that all transactions are based upon self interest, which happens to be a mutual self interest.

    The upshot is that African people will still crave all the gadgets and geegaws which technological civilization churns out. To acquire said geegaws they need to offer equivalent value in exchange, that is essential natural resources.
    Thus the problem exists in the imagination only.

    In this context, colonialism and any hint of neo colonialism is the biggest and most catastrophic mistake the west can possibly make – after, of course, allowing African immigration which always is the corollary of colonialism.

  25. El Dato says:

    That Bloomberg articles seems to avoid the trigger word “vigilantism”.

    Instead, it’s “taxi drivers, private security companies and ordinary civilians” who are taking up arms.

    Whenever blacks decide to grab stuff, browns decide that muslimism is the greatest idea in the neighborhood, and antifa wants to make the world safe for dildo-communism, meedja admonishes us that forming “vigilante mobs” is siding with Hitler and disrespectful to the six million and one should just shelter in place and wait for the boys in blue which should be coming shortly. Not so here.

    Well then.

    “Just promenading my boomstick, officer!”

  26. El Dato says:
    @anon

    Well, technically they are the Huns. There ,must have been someone who let them in:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_peoples

    According to the early-split scenario as described in the 1990s, the southward dispersal had reached the Central African rain forest by about 1500 BC, and the southern Savannahs by 500 BC, while the eastward dispersal reached the Great Lakes by 1000 BC, expanding further from there, as the rich environment supported dense populations. Possible movements by small groups to the southeast from the Great Lakes region could have been more rapid, with initial settlements widely dispersed near the coast and near rivers, due to comparatively harsh farming conditions in areas farther from water. Recent archeological and linguistic evidence about population movements suggests that pioneering groups would have had reached parts of modern KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa sometime prior to the 3rd century AD along the coast, and the modern Northern Cape by AD 500.

    That’s about 3000 years after the pyramids had been built.

    Africa has a sad lack of tracking the comings and goings of the locals.

    • Replies: @anon
  27. Let’s see if we can find a pattern.

    A black man died in police custody in Minneapolis and disorderly riots and widespread looting broke out. There was an assassination in Haiti and disorderly riots and widespread looting broke out. There was an indictment of a black political figure in South Africa and disorderly riots and widespread looting broke out.

    I think that I have spotted a pattern.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  28. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Now the government is putting Zuma in jail and the Zulus are up in arms.

    Are Zulus a subset of Bantus? What is the relation?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Jim
    , @Philip
  29. anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Washington has thus followed the example and fulfilled the hopes of the most effective practitioner of ”constructive engagement” over the last quarter century. That is Harry Frederick Oppenheimer, a corporate dynast who has made control of the world’s richest gold and diamond deposits the basis for a multinational mining and industrial conglomerate, with assets that the British weekly, The Economist, has put at $15 billion.

    While racial policies he abhorred were plunging South Africa into military and political isolation from the West, Harry Oppenheimer more than anyone else has managed to preserve and strengthen the economic ties binding Johannesburg to Western financial centers. His influence has had plenty to do with the vast resources his group controls and the pattern of its far-flung investments, which now can be traced in North America from zinc and copper mines in the Yukon to natural gas deposits in Midland, Tex. But it also has to do with his personal standing in New York and London as a concerned liberal and business statesman, bearing the comforting message, in elegantly turned speeches he writes himself, that more investment and more growth are the surest antidotes to racial oppression.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/08/magazine/oppenheimer-of-south-africa.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  30. El Dato says:
    @Peter Johnson

    Isolationism? ISOLATIONISM!

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  31. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_people#Origins

    The Zulu were originally a major clan in what is today Northern KwaZulu-Natal, founded ca. 1709 by Zulu kaMalandela. In the Nguni languages, iZulu means heaven, or weather. At that time, the area was occupied by many large Nguni communities and clans (also called the isizwe people or nation, or were called isibongo, referring to their clan or family name). Nguni communities had migrated down Africa’s east coast over centuries, as part of the Bantu migrations. As the nation began to develop, the rulership of Shaka brought the clans together to build a cohesive identity for the Zulu.

    They then developed hardcore fascism as well as Blitzkrieg / shock-and-awe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka#Social_and_military_revolution

    which was black, thus Good Fascism and Good Blitzkrieg.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  32. Protests erupted on July 10, triggered by former President Jacob Zuma’s incarceration on contempt-of-court charges, and quickly degenerated into a free-for-all

    Democrats might keep this in mind as they continue in their deranged efforts to find some excuse to put Trump in handcuffs and frog-march him in front of a leftist New York judge.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Jack D
  33. El Dato says:

    OT: The worm never rests

    US overdose deaths hit RECORD high in 2020, driven by deadly fentanyl

    Data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday makes for grim reading. 93,331 people in the US died from drug overdoses last year, up from 70,980. This increase of nearly 30% is the highest year-on-year increase in at least two decades, and the total number of deaths is the highest ever recorded in a 12-month period.

    Opioids were responsible for nearly three-quarters of these deaths, with synthetic opioids responsible for nearly 57,000 deaths, or more than half. Last year, synthetic opioids killed just under 50,000 people.

  34. Altai says:

    Zuma is interesting since he was the first president that the white establishment felt comfortable mocking. The famous depiction started by South African Jewish political cartoonist, Shapiro, of him with a showerhead coming off the back of his head after he admitted to committing adultery (Is it more or less serious when a polygamist does it?), she says rape, of a much younger woman, a daughter a long-time friend, who was HIV position and saying that he’d been careful and had a shower immediately after (He was aware of her status) has a character to it that goes beyond mere political satire, it was tinged with a contempt for his ostentatious ethnic Zulu-ness. He was also often depicted in his traditional Zulu attire.

    Essentially no matter how many decades he’d been a radical political fighter, he was also, or aspired to be still just a rural Zulu guy. The question is, for all his outward traits, was he actually worse for South Africa than the likes of his predecessor, well-educated Mbeki who bungled the response to HIV? Zuma says he is the victim of a conspiracy against him, that whether he is guilty or not, there is a TDS-like bias against him. And he is guilty, there is no doubt, the question is how many of South Africa’s black politicians would survive if they were held account for corruption? Though again, Zuma turned things up a level. Though the thing they’ve got him on is the Gupta’s attempting to induce somebody to take a job as Energy minister in order to support a Russian nuclear power deal that they no doubt would take a tasty cut on. Though given power is a huge pressing issue in SA, we can only trust the media that the problem with the deal was the price and not uncle Sam giving them the side eye.

    The Gupta case has a lot of interesting parallels with the Awan case in the Capitol Hill IT services department.

    If you want more on the Gupta saga it’s covered a lot in their wiki page. They are truly next level spivs.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_family

    The situation is also very fraught with the media in SA and abroad who depend on the local MSM just saying ‘riots in KwaZulu Natal and parts of Gauteng’ and leaving it at that. Which parts of Gauteng? Oh, Johannesburg and oh the parts of Johannesburg that have large Zulu populations… By comparison the rest of the country is riot free. Not too far from Johannesburg, another big city, Pretoria has had no disturbances. It too has a large poor black population but there are almost no Zulu living there. It’s a bit like the Adam Curtis short ‘Oh Dearism’ about the media being steadfast to never give it’s consumers any context to any violent conflict in Sub-Saharan Africa leading the reader to simply exclaim, ‘Oh dear’.

    Hilariously politicians there are trying to plead ignorance too.

    #ZumaUnrest: Violence has nothing to do with ‘ethnicity’, says Duarte
    https://www.news24.com/news24/southafrica/news/jessie-duarte-ethnicity-has-nothing-to-do-with-pro-zuma-violence-20210712

    And the media won’t even use the word ‘Zulu’. The current president, was criticised by the political and media establishment for using the words ‘ethnic mobilisation’. (Without saying the word ‘Zulu’)

    Now it’s pretty hard to report on things without using the word ‘Zulu’ when guys are going about reenacting the most famous scene from the classic film ‘Zulu’.

    For context of the clip they’re marching towards an area where two Zulu guys were gunned down in a middle class Indian neighbourhood and then some Indians there took a video and posted it online. There conflicting reports that the burnt out car was the one they were in and they were hit with a Molotov cocktail (As seen elsewhere used by Indians) and then pursued and gunned down. Basically they were driving through and killed according to a man who claims to be the cousin of one of the guys killed. Here is the video. (Warning, it contains graphic footage of dead bodies)

    This was combined with an earlier incident where Indians and possibly others burned down many Zulu homes in Pietermaritzburg of the poorest class, referred to as ‘squatters’ but in reality these are people from Townships who are too poor to buy or rent and so begin the nucleus of a new township. They are the poorest of the poor. And not likely to be the core of the looters either, they don’t have cars.

    TL;DR Zulus were initially marching in protest because their big man Zuma was arrested and jailed for contempt of court over his refusal to attend a commission established to investigate corruption and ‘state capture’, particularly in regards the Gupta family during his 9 year tenure.

    This went out of control into mass looting in large towns and cities with significant Zulu populations. (By out of control I mean whole malls being looted to the last screw and set on fire, warehouses, factories etc, all burned to the ground, guys with forklifts taking stacks of 70 inch 8k TVs away)

    Ethnic Indians in KwaZulu Natal, who are clannish and hate blacks have engaged in actions seen as ethnic violence towards Zulus in general who weren’t rioting, leading to a new phase of potential inter-ethnic violence.

  35. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:

    US could have saved a lot of money on the Manhattan Project. Could have just dropped 100,000 blacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    And Nazis could have saved a lot of money by hiring Hutus with machetes.

    Mayhem on the cheap.

    In the US, black guy overdoses, and that is reason enough to frame a white cop and burn & loot.

    In SA, black arrests black. and that is reason enough to burn and loot in Afrocalypse style..

  36. tyrone says:
    @Peter Johnson

    Right! ,it’s just another “peaceful protest”…….but really it’s a glimpse of our own future……oh , and don’t even use the NYT s to line your bird cage ,the poor beggars deserve better.

    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
  37. Everybody just needs to take a deep breath and remind themselves that diversity is our strength.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    , @Corvinus
  38. tyrone says:
    @El Dato

    Right, in the leftists quest to destroy America as a nation every little bit helps ….. fentanyl is just a perk of open borders.

    • Replies: @Bigdicknick
    , @Craig Nelsen
  39. UNIT472 says:
    @Altai

    Thanks. I didn’t know what/where Guateng was. I’m still in the old South African geography where there was a Orange Free State, Transvaal, Swaziland etc. I suppose it doesn’t much matter what the locals name their regions and cities these days because, just like in Zimbabwe, most of what was once there will be gone in 50 years and South Africa will look like it did 400 years ago.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  40. Very smart conclusion, but Zuma made the fatal mistake (IMO) to order this mobilization after the death of his old friend, the Zulu King – which was now replaced with a younger less “understanding” King, who promptly delegitimized Zuma’s order on National television. Also, what the incumbent President Ramaphosa did was to use Zulu Commanders (Police and Military) to counter the obvious Zulu confrontation. Even though the shrewd Zuma literally have a “phased plan” of building up from protests to a Coup that could have worked, having the King (and his Royal House) against him will undoubtedly turn less convinced followers against him. The Police already know the top instigators – so even though it’s a matter of time to disable them, the big question now is, will big business support a movement for change (towards splitting the ANC) so that the Zulu and others can have their own voice. Prepare to wait a few years for the dust to settle on hopefully, a more coherent SA.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  41. Flip says:

    I’d be converting my assets into Krugerrands and packing for Perth if I were a white South African.

    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @Ed
  42. peterike says:

    As the latest horror in South Africa unfolds, keep in mind that it is entirely the end product of Jewish perfidy. SA was a first-world state, kind of an African California of the 1950s. It went from being a near empty wasteland to first-world status entirely by the efforts of white settlers.

    Then the Jews decided that they wanted to ruin it, and apartheid gave them their excuse. Their efforts succeeded spectacularly, and it was precisely this approach of white displacement and anti-white rhetoric that led to the same rhetoric we see all over the West today. Jews tried subverting the West with Marxism and class warfare for 100+ years, but they couldn’t get it to take hold. Then via South Africa they discovered race warfare. It proved the perfect mind-weapon to use against Western whites, who — no doubt to the Jews’ amazement — eagerly joined in the campaign to displace whites in SA.

    The ongoing anti-white campaigns — ever more virulent and hostile — everywhere in the West all stem from the petri-dish of the Jewish campaign to eliminate whites in SA. And since the rest of the white nations didn’t have apartheid, the Jews simply looked backward to slavery and came up with the crackpot ideas of “white supremacy,” “systemic racism,” etc. all to construct a virtual “apartheid” they could campaign against and use to inflame the non-white masses.

    Again to their amazement, millions of whites have jumped on board to facilitate their own destruction.

    • Agree: Alden, Lurker, Malla
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @vhrm
    , @AnotherDad
  43. @Reg Cæsar

    I’d say about equally destructive. We are not at the same stage yet. Best we change course off of the path the S. Africans went down soon.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  44. Anon[965] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I stumbled across this in Google, on an unsecured Indonesian academic website:

    http://perpus.univpancasila.ac.id/repository/EBUPT181396.pdf

    McGraw-Hill Primis Psychology: Psychological Testing and Assessment, 7th Edition

    It covers the measurement of intelligence, personality, and other stuff.

    Some samples:

    For example, race norming is the controversial practice of norming on the basis of race or ethnic background. Race norming was once engaged in by some govern- ment agencies and private organizations, and the practice resulted in the establishment of different cutoff scores for hiring by cultural group. Members of one cultural group would have to attain one score to be hired, whereas members of another cultural group would have to attain a different score. Although initially instituted in the service of affirmative action objectives (Greenlaw & Jensen, 1996), the practice was outlawed by the Civil Rights Act of 1991.

    In the late 1980s, the GATB [General Aptitude Test Battery of the U.S. Employment Service] became a center of controversy when it became public knowledge that the test had been race-normed. As described earlier in this book (Chapter 4), race norming refers to the process of adjusting scores to show an individual testtaker’s standing within his or her own racial group. With the race-normed GATB, high scorers who were categorized within certain groups according to race were recommended for employment. For example, among people being considered for a skilled job, a GATB raw score of 300 was “translated into percentile scores of 79, 62, and 38, respectively, for Blacks, Hispanics, and others” (Gottfredson, 1994, p. 966). Only percentile scores, not raw scores, were reported to employers.

    The AFQT is a measure of general ability used in the selection of recruits. The different armed services employ different cutoff scores in making accept/reject determinations for service, which are based also on such considerations as their preset quotas for particular demographic groups.

    A mini-AFQT is included to try.

    Gottfredson is cited five times, Richard Lynn twice, Charles Murray four times, Arthur Jensen six.

    Very little on race, no numbers.

    Ability and aptitude measures vary widely in topics covered, specificity of coverage, and other variables. The Wonderlic Personnel Test measures mental ability in a general sense. This brief (12-minute) test includes items that assess spatial skill, abstract thought, and mathematical skill. The test may be useful in screening individuals for jobs that require both fluid and crystallized intellectual abilities (Bell et al., 2002).

    The so-called BITCH-100, a test for blacks, made it into the book:

    [MORE]

    Frustrated by their seeming inability to develop culture-fair equivalents of traditional intelligence tests, some test developers attempted to develop equivalents of traditional intelligence tests that were culture-specific. Expressly developed for members of a particular cultural group or subculture, such tests were thought to be able to yield a more valid measure of mental development. One culture-specific intelligence test developed expressly for use with Blacks was the Black Intelligence Test of Cultural Homogeneity (Williams, 1975), a 100-item multiple-choice test. Keeping in mind that many of the items on this test are now dated, here are three samples:

    1. Mother’s Day means
    a. Black independence day.
    b. a day when mothers are honored.
    c. a day the welfare checks come in.
    d. every first Sunday in church.

    2. Blood means
    a. a vampire.
    b. a dependent individual.
    c. an injured person.
    d. a brother of color.

    3. The following are popular brand names. Which one does not belong?
    a. Murray’s
    b. Dixie Peach
    c. Royal Crown
    d. Preparation H

    The answers keyed correct are as follows: 1(c), 2(d), and 3(d).

    As you read the previous items, you may be asking yourself, “Is this really an intelligence test? Should I be taking this seriously?” If you were thinking such questions, you are in good company. At the time, many psychologists probably asked themselves the same questions. In fact, a parody of the BITCH (the test’s acronym) was published in the May 1974 issue of Psychology Today (p. 101) and was called the “S.O.B. (Son of the Original BITCH) Test.” However, the Williams (1975) test was purported to be a genuine culture-specific test of intelligence standardized on 100 Black high-school students in the St. Louis area. Williams was awarded $153,000 by the National Institute of Men- tal Health to develop the BITCH.

    In what was probably one of the few published studies designed to explore the test’s validity, the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) and the BITCH were both administered to Black (n 􏰁 17) and White (n 􏰁 116) applicants for a job with the Portland, Oregon, police department. The Black subjects performed much better on the test than did the White subjects, with a mean score that exceeded the White mean score by 2.83 stan- dard deviations. The White mean IQ as measured by the WAIS exceeded the Black mean IQ by about 1.5 standard deviations.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  45. @notsaying

    Looting responsibly sounds like a good thing. They should focus on Anglo/Boer businesses that may have supported Trump with a retweet or like by combing their Twitter accounts like ANTIFA did. That’s why I donated to the Portland group.

    • Troll: tyrone, YetAnotherAnon
  46. TG says:

    “There Shall Be Open Borders” – the Wall Street Journal.

    Apartheid may not have been super great, but it wasn’t that bad either and South Africa was pretty prosperous. I mean, in the pre-civli war American South blacks were trying to escape – in South Africa under apartheid, blacks from the rest of Africa were trying to break in.

    But the rich hate prosperity for you and me, because that means that wages are high, which means that they can’t get away with paying lower wages. The native fertility rate was quite modest (yes, really, even for blacks). Even with apartheid, if labor is in short supply, it’s very hard to keep wages down – in a tight labor market, only full-on chattel slavery can do that, and apartheid wasn’t that.

    So what’s an oligarch to do?

    Obvious: the (at the time) white elite used mass immigration from the rest of Africa to force population growth upwards. In 1960 it was about 17 million. Right now it’s about 60 million – not quite quadrupled – and rising. And when native blacks protest the continuing influx of poor people form the rest of Africa, they are attacked as ‘xenophobic and racist’. Sound familiar?

    And the rainfall over South Africa has remained roughly constant, but with four times as many people water is starting to get in short supply. It must be global warming!!!!

    The colors have changed, only the vile policy of treating people like cattle has stayed the same.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Daniel H
    • Replies: @anonymous
  47. Murray says:

    “Our plan is to make sure that our taxi drivers must protect the malls,” Bafana Magagula, strategy manager for the South African National Taxi Council, said Wednesday by phone. “Any structure that is demolished where large groups of people are working, we are losing, it’s minus, minus. If we don’t protect those structures, at the end of the day we will be out of business.” …

    I asked a South African expat yesterday how his family was doing, and he replied that they live in a region where the taxi drivers will prevent riots. He didn’t have time to explain, but hinted that taxi drivers are a very influential faction in the complex politics of SA. Does anyone know about this?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Bill Jones
  48. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    While racial policies he abhorred were plunging South Africa into military and political isolation from the West, Harry Oppenheimer more than anyone…

    Are you telling me that Oppenheim wasn’t a Zionist?

  49. Altai says:
    @Altai

    More stuff taken from Twitter.

    General tone. Middle men minorities never see the mobs coming.

    Are these Indian guys just putting on a show in the hopes of scaring potential attacks? Is there a guy being necklaced in that ball of flames? Probably just talk. But again, these videos are being shared on social media.

    Another mock necklacing?

    Afrikaners trying to calm them down but Muslim Indians really getting into beating the shit out of these black guys on the ground.

    Another video being widely shared, are these guys looters impersonating police? Either way that’s not how it’s being spun online.

  50. Barnard says:
    @duncsbaby

    Who’s letting the Bantus into North Dakota?

    The Bush Administration and Lutheran Social Services got the process kicked off 15 years ago. Obama kept the racket rolling along. Fargo is about 10% black now.

  51. donut says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I wouldn’t give up my afternoon nap to save Trump from jail .

  52. Well, finally!

    Good catch about the Zulu angle.

    I looked up which SA town has the highest proportion of Zulus and predictably, it was Durban, which looks to me as if it’s been the hardest-hit town. (Any SA’ns here, please correct me.)

    https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/confirmed-15-people-have-been-killed-in-phoenix-violence/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/video/thousands-looting-in-durban-as-south-african-law-and-order-breaks-down-116782149647

    If anyone has news on what’s going on in Capetown, please share.

    Also: this has gone well beyond mere looting. Twitter is full of footage of warehouses and chemical plants being set afire, and I don’t think they are bogus.

    This is civil war.

  53. @Peter Johnson

    The Gray Lady is furiously working on producing an Acceptable Narrative. Just you wait. In a few days it’ll be out and it’ll be a whopper.

    • Agree: Rosie, sayless
    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
  54. SafeNow says:

    “A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot.”
    ― Robert A. Heinlein

    Not to minimize ransacking, but during yesterday’s phone call with the dental-office receptionist about my crown, she abruptly started speaking about her office bathroom. Not a thought given to saying something like “Oh, excuse me a moment Mr. SafeNow, someone just came by with a problem…..” Rudeness like this would not happen in the old America, but now I encounter it all the time, and Heinlein had a point.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell, sayless
  55. Priceless. Watch before he’s deplatformed.

  56. Mr. Anon says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Democrats might keep this in mind as they continue in their deranged efforts to find some excuse to put Trump in handcuffs and frog-march him in front of a leftist New York judge.

    I can’t imagine a worse cause to riot for than the selfish, vain, and useless Donald Trump.

    However, the spectre of rioting is clearly an effect threat. It scared white liberals into bowing down before BLM.

    The over-the-top response of the Democrats (and some Republicans) and the apparatus of State Repression to the January 6th riots is interesting. Sure, they’re using it for political purposes, to advance their agenda and punish their enemies. But I think there might be more to it. Think about what happened on 1/6. White people rioted. Whites, no longer content to play the electoral politics game of “we will all dutifully vote and pretend that our vote matters” decided to take it to the streets. I think maybe that genuinely actually scared the crap out of the liberal establishment.

  57. @JohnnyWalker123

    Biden a crook? I look forward to mainstream news coverage in 2029

  58. Is South Africa getting any TV play on US news? Black people running around lootin’ and shootin’ is not an approved optic

  59. tyrone says:
    @Altai

    Indians in S.A. = roof-top Koreans.

  60. Dmon says:
    @anon

    A few more South African PSAs:
    “To prevent STDs, always wear a condom when raping an 11 year old girl”.
    “Don’t play with fire – let a responsible adult ignite the tire”
    “Practice gun safety -if you are going to murder a white farmer and his family in their sleep, your weapon must have a trigger lock while it is being transported to the massacre site”.

    • LOL: notsaying
  61. A record number of Americans died from drug overdoses last year in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, according to official data.

    In total, an estimated 93,331 Americans died of overdoses in 2020 – a nearly 30% increase from the previous year.

    No small number in increase, and surely the thin end of the wedge of all overdoses, suicides and deaths of despair.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57840635

    • Thanks: Rosie
  62. What South Africa needs, and quickly, is an infusion of American SJWs and their political leaders such as lori lightfoot, bill diblasio et al. They are doing such a good job here,where the “community ” is just 13% of the population, let’s see what they can do where the “community” is the majority. “District 9” come to life.

    • Agree: John Johnson
    • LOL: Rosie, Cortes, El Dato
    • Replies: @El Dato
  63. Yak-15 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Why do you read and post this nonsense? Nothing will come of this. They won’t even stop people bribing Biden’s son through the sale of his sad artwork.

    It’s a complete joke and the PTB are looting th country in the open and have made it defacto illegal to criticize them. Clown world.

    Move on from thinking law & order types still exist in the executive branch.

    Not trying to be an asshole but it’s all way too far gone to believe this will lead anywhere.

  64. theMann says:

    Looks like regression to mean with a vengeance. The Negro Race, nomadic, parasitic to other Races, destructive as locusts when in a majority.

    Liberal Ametica:Twist and spin, believe the hopeful lies, pretend there is Racial Equality, break your arms patting yourself on the back about how morally superior you are, the reality is on the ground. Significant Black Minority, constant drain. Black majority, catastrophe resulting in a pre-Bronze age level of development.

  65. El Dato says:
    @Altai

    I don’t know on what rack to hang my sympathies.

    Maybe they should call in the Chinese to remove Muslo-Indians from premises?

  66. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Here are some songs about Africa.

    You missed the best one:

    “I hope you got your passports….and vaccine shots!”

  67. @AnotherDad

    Another Dad, the Chinese already have a foot hold in African farmland and resources. Soon they will start to build their own cities and slowly eliminate native people. It is inevitable.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Cool Daddy Jimbo
  68. CCZ says:

  69. @vhrm

    Are black people required to show up for hearings and such? Isn’t that a rather racist expectation?

    An old friend from Africa (Ghana) likes to joke about “Africa time.” It means whenever you feel like it.

    Yet another who lived there (Senegal) for a while: nothing works in Africa, and you don’t expect it to.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  70. El Dato says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    “District 9.2: Maximum Multiculturalism”

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  71. Jack D says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Don’t be silly. Only black protests degenerate into free for alls and when they do, they are still called “largely peaceful protests”. If pro-Trump whites tried this the cops would shoot down the protestors like they were Ashley Babbitt. The networks and papers would denounce them as domestic terrorists and insurrectionists, etc. What’s good for the goose is NOT good for the gander.

    • Agree: duncsbaby, Dnought, Bernie
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @Harry Baldwin
  72. @Reg Cæsar

    The majority happened in the 20th-century when South African mining and agricultural corporations pushed to allow for greater Bantu migration across the border for cheaper labor. Combined with natural population growth.

  73. Jack D says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Rots of ruck to them. The Chinese have never done colonialism on non-adjacent countries before (there was always a large Chinese diaspora but they were merchants, not rulers), preferring a “tribute state” relationship where local rulers remained on the throne, but as Chinese allies. White people tried to colonize Africa but in the end they were overwhelmed because Africans are better suited to living in Africa than white people are.

    Putting this all together, the Chinese will send people as factory managers, merchants and farmers (they already are) but not as rulers. The local government will be run by corrupt locals in the pay of the Chinese.

  74. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    That’s just more tease, tease, grift, grift from the moron side of the Trump Twittersphere.

    Notice, how it’s always “coming”, never a reveal?
    And then when we get one, it’s underwhelming. If you keep falling for BS, like that, “ticktock” after SO MANY times, when it’s not paid off, you’re like a fish that continues to get hooked.

  75. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Well, technically they are the Huns.

    Huh?

    There ,must have been someone who let them in:

    Why “must” this be so?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  76. 3g4me says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    @39 The Anti-Gnostic: And don’t forget citizenism. The magic fruit of magic dirt and magic paper.

  77. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    Thanks.

    It’s almost as though diversity is not strength but actually can lead to conflict.
    Who could have seen that coming?

  78. @tyrone

    To be fair to the New York Times, in their only published story so far on the South African riots and looting, published three days ago, they mention that the peaceful protests have become a bit too exuberant. But they explain in the lead caption for the article “Protests over the imprisonment of Jacob Zuma have escalated into looting and other destructive lawlessness fed in part by poverty and scant opportunity.” See, it is due to poverty and scant opportunity, obviously caused by White supremacism. The Narrative must be maintained, no matter what evidence goes against it. The only connection between these lawless riots and looting, and the lawless riots and looting in Haiti, and in Minneapolis, is White supremacism. According to the only acceptable Narrative, any other observed commonality is a coincidence.

    • Thanks: Bubba
    • Replies: @HallParvey
  79. @El Dato

    Synthetic opioids didn’t kill anybody. People took a lot of drugs and overdosed. Could have been a mistake, could have been suicide.

    That said, these horrible laced poisons shouldn’t be bought and sold in our country. If we’d let the cops do their jobs, the dealers and distributors could all be locked up. As I said before, my cop relative in AZ is going crazy with the judges letting the fentanyl dealers right back out on the street.

    • Agree: Kylie
  80. Rob says:

    I do not know what will happen in South Africa. Have only known one, an Anglo and exceptionally sharp. Really a good guy.

    What I do know is that no matter how badly things tun out, nor for whom they turn out badly, will the media and government see a reason to try to turn down the anti-white temperature. If whites brutally repress KZN, then that shows the continuing perfidy of whites. American whites will be responsible, and get more CRT. If blacks from the other party or ethnicity violently put down the chaos, then that will show how horrible whites are, to make Africans fight their brothers. If the looting continues roughly as is, rolling loot-outs, let’s call them, that will be proof that whites cannot keep blacks down, so whites must be CRTed as quickly as possible, to raise blacks up to takeover responsibly.

    There is only one outcome that will not be relevant to the US.

    Succession, whether of a black, Zulu-dominated state or a Boer-controlled enclave, will carry no lessons for America. Will, if reported on at all (don’t think I’ve seen anything on MSNBC, yet) be self-evidently inapplicable to us.

    • Replies: @Rob
  81. @Jack D

    Jack, thank you for your reply but who will stop China from colonizing Africa. They are a big dog now.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  82. Consider the possibility that it’s not just or even primarily liberals but that they’re just foolishly trying to exploit the efforts of WoT/Cold War deadenders to justify their ludicrously inflated salaries and illegitimate power.

    They’re choosing the most sympathetic possible victims to really put the screws to the reputations of those deadenders and their clients and mouthpieces in Congress.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  83. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile in bizarro world:

    US military flying planeloads of illegal immigrants around America in secret – media

    The US military is using passenger aircraft to fly illegal immigrants within the US from an Air Force base in Texas, according to documents seen by Fox News. The operation, confirmed by the Pentagon, is being conducted in secret.

    In the coming days, weeks and months, passenger aircraft will transport illegal immigrants from Laughlin Air Force Base in Del Rio, Texas, to undisclosed locations. That’s according to an email from a colonel at the base to his subordinates, supposedly given to Fox host Tucker Carlson by a whistleblower.

    My first thought:

  84. @Buffalo Joe

    I hope no one does. We could use the help.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  85. Not Raul says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Iran, Brooklyn, Venezuela, speedboat — BINGO!

  86. Anon[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Johnson

    I told my father about what was happening in South Africa the other day and he hadn’t even heard about it from his usual liberal news channels. There’s been a total blackout on the left about it.

    Liberals are desperate to hide the news because it’s just another thing to push Americans to the right when they think about it.

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
  87. Middletown was Youngstown south when Vance was growing up there. They lose that demo they lose a lot of their muscle – the kind of muscle that terrorized the judiciary and state legislators from doing their job after the election and twisted enough arms to get Biden over the top in the first place.

    Maybe more importantly their adversaries gain some for the first time in a long time.

  88. Not Raul says:
    @RichardTaylor

    South Africa shouldn’t have let Kissinger bully them in to throwing Rhodesia under the bus.

    https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1976/10/1/kissinger-in-southern-africa-pbubntil-the/

  89. Old Prude says:
    @Jack D

    White people have too much stuff and easy live for them to go bananas. If Ashli Babbitt knew she would risk being shot in the neck, and Buffalo Hat Man knew he would rot in jail, they would have stayed home and enjoyed life.

  90. Old Prude says:

    The Chinese might succeed in Africa where the Europeans failed. It seems they have no qualms about buying off Big Men to do their dirty work, and no desire to civilize the savage. Those moral qualms and evangelism under-mined the White Man’s work at resource extraction.

    • Agree: Bernie
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  91. Bubba says:
    @duncsbaby

    No longer attempted murder. The poor girl died from the vicious, unprovoked attack.

    Our wonderful U.S. Congress should have a “Welcome Bantu Day!” complete with an open house at the Capitol. There would be more murders and mayhem than a typical hot summer weekend in Chicago.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  92. • Replies: @J.Ross
  93. @Achmed E. Newman

    By the end of this century, either ‘avoid the groid’ becomes a global imperative, or this is what all non-blacks will be faced with.

    • Agree: Kylie
  94. Speaking of death:

    • Replies: @Djkjcgjj
  95. @vhrm

    Going after Zuma is a damn sight more recent than the usual suspects still going after “dachau guards”

    • Replies: @vhrm
  96. Altai says:

    Tariq Nasheed responding to video out of South Africa showing sadism towards suspected looters by blacks because he is a cosmopolitan American intellectual and thinks white people speak accent-less Zulu? It’s probably Zulu but I wouldn’t be able to tell, the guys crawling are clearly being given instructions so I presume it’s Zulu.

    This is the video he is responding to, warning it’s of men being forced to crawl naked on all fours.

  97. Clyde says:

    This is very bad news. This was BLM inspired and will encourage blacks to loot and riot here in the US and everywhere. In SA when the do such mass looting and rioting they outnumber the police who are probably worthless anyway. The only way to stop this is to bring in the military and start shooting. What we did in various cities during the MLK riots

    Here our blacks are intoxicated by their effectiveness in keeping whites cowering due to CRT and take their jobs. Also the BLM riots n looting, huge municipal payouts for George Floyd and other long time black criminals.
    Family initiated a 30 mil Federal lawsuit for a long time drug dealer who tried to escape the police in his BMW. Federal because the local DA cleared the policemen who shot this scumbag Andrew-Brown, with his 180 page rap sheet going back to 1988

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/07/14/Andrew-Brown-lawsuit-police/3161626284727/
    The warrant was obtained after a confidential informant alleged to have been buying drugs from the man for more than a year, according to Fox News.

    The informant reportedly told the Dare County Narcotics Task Force that Andrew Brown — who had a 180-page rap sheet dating back to May 1988 — sold varying quantities of cocaine, crack, heroin and methamphetamine numerous times.

    The informant carried out a controlled, caught-on-camera meth buy from Brown as recently as March 29. A separate purchase of cocaine was made from Brown 12 days earlier, according to the warrant.

  98. Hmm… militia, guns, ammunition, food, comms… everything TPTB in America don’t want you to have control over…

    Maybe there’s something after all to this “prepper” stuff…

    Do not do this:

  99. Rob says:
    @Rob

    Succession, whether of a black, Zulu-dominated state or a Boer-controlled enclave, will carry no lessons for America.

    No, dumbass. Secession is leaving a country. Effing moron.

  100. @tyrone

    Which group was behind the epidemic? Anyone here who nose the truth ?

  101. Bill says:
    @Raches

    Not just Rhodesia. Each black African country with a significant white population followed the same pattern. Blacks took over. Gradually or quickly, things stop working. Whites are blamed. Whites flee the ensuing violence or threat of violence. So far, it’s only Namibia which both has a significant white population and hasn’t gone this way. South Africa has been slow on the progression, but it seems clear where things are going.

    The Wiki article “Whites in Africa” used to be pretty good on this—I have not read it in years, so I don’t know now.

    I am curious about Namibia. Why hasn’t it turned to shit? Or has it, and I just don’t know about it?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Dnought
    , @Raches
  102. AndrewR says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Oh gosh I’m sure the Bidens will be in jail by the end of the year and Trump will be president again! Now let me hit my copium pipe again.

  103. @Altai

    Looks like an average night at Madonna’s house.

  104. @Jack D

    Don’t be silly.

    I recall on January 6 my wife was worried that the Washington rally would turn into a riot and I told her, “Don’t be silly, Republicans don’t riot. Nothing’s going to happen.”

  105. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @duncsbaby

    This is why Obama’s and Biden’s evil dictum of allowing Africans into this country by lottery, with little more qualification outside of a heartbeat, must foment horrific outcomes for innocent Americans and their children, and qualifies the both of them as enemies of the state.

    More of Africa’s discards are arriving here every day under Biden’s immigration policy, and consequently more Americans will die in bizarre ways.

    Find below one African who thankfully didn’t make it over here, but consider the fact that some of his peers indeed have. We’ll find out about them soon enough…

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/vampire-serial-killer-admits-murdering-24541531

    • Agree: Just another serf
  106. Art Deco says:

    It’s worth remembering that nearby Zimbabwe bumped along fairly well for its first couple of decades of black rule

    No it’s not because that’s not what happened. The political architecture bequeathed by the various agreements in 1980 was in ruins by 1987, thousands had died in the course of Mugabe’s rampage in Matabeleland, and about 60% of the white population had fled. Per capita product in Zimbabwe is about 30% lower than it was in 1973.

    South Africa’s has been stagnant since about 2012, but it hasn’t suffered decades of year-over-year decline. The country hasn’t suffered much political violence either. The violence in South Africa is in the form of horrendous levels of street crime.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  107. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Imagine if or riot police employed South African police tactics in Portland. Things would be back to normal by now….

    • LOL: By-tor
  108. OT:

    Steve, do you remember this?

    • LOL: El Dato
  109. @El Dato

    Sorry Haiti, the world’s policeman is….

    If he feels so strongly about it, Max should grab a few guns and head on down. He’ll need a rifle, a shotgun for close quarters work, and a handgun or two.

    Enough with his “hey you two should fight while I sit here in my gay hat (NTTWWT)” routine.

  110. I don’t want our mutual friend Melvin Gibson to go to South Africa to find fuel.

    Please Mr. Gibson, there are other things to do than to go to S. Africa looking to find some fuel, especially at this politically fraught time.

    My suggestions for Melvin Gibson is instead of going to find fuel in S. Africa perhaps ask Mr Joe Eszterhas about where the script for the Maccabees is.

    Melvin Gibson ranting at Joe Eszterhas can’t be topped. Anybody who doesn’t agree with the preceding is a damned dolt! Don’t go to S Africa, Mel!

    That beautiful to the point of being spooky French/German/Dutch….etc. broad named Theron gave Tom Hardy some shit and then she made some crack about Hardy being no Mel Gibson.

    Hudson River New York State Mel is tough to top for Mad Max that’s for sure.

    Mel Gibson:

    Why Don’t I Have A First Draft Of The Maccabees? What The Phuck Have You Been Doing?

    I’ll Type It!

    Who Wants To Eat?

    Who The Phuck Wants To Eat?

    Hooray!

    Melvin Gibson ranting at Joe Eszterhas:

  111. And meanwhile back in the USSA, heroicly sorting mail should be worth a Congressional Medal of Honor:
    https://apnews.com/article/business-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-0f59eba34c40098c3c0814c51cfeb7fd

    Theme of ’21: Beyond Satire.

  112. @stillCARealist

    stillCA, can you imagine if the Europeans had never established colonies. They left roads, bridges, airfields,water wells and infrastructure. What they didn’t leave behind was order.

  113. @Desiderius

    Desi, close your eyes and picture the fourth jet liner crashing into congress. Gone in a heartbeat, schumer,pelosi,mcconnel,graham et al.What would America be now.

  114. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Is that like eHarmony?

    “eSwatini” must also have a funny anagram or two to work in somehow…

  115. @Altai

    I don’t understand why are we still negotiating with Indians. #IndiansMustFall #PhoenixMassacre

    This is fine but Trump incites too much violence to be on Twit. Makes sense.

  116. Anonymous[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    I always thought of S.A. as being like the Chicago or Philadelphia of countries, while Z was the Akron or Detroit

  117. duncsbaby says:
    @Bubba

    Oh, I know all too well. Unfortunately the local media stopped running photos of the guy when it became murder. Funny.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  118. duncsbaby says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I was as a young bootless 20-something in the mid 80’s a great lover of African music. I was a callow youth, but yes, the music is good. I would like it if Africans came over once and awhile on musical tours, but no, thanks to GOP and DEM party globalists hey have squatted all over my beloved and once bland upper midwest. They aren’t like us and they don’t like us.

  119. @Peter Johnson

    See, it is due to poverty and scant opportunity, obviously caused by White supremacism.

    True. White people go around leaving wealth everywhere. This leads to looting. If there were no wealth, there would be no looting. And poverty is all relative. Without wealth, nobody is impoverished, because poverty is comparative. The same with opportunity. Opportunity leads to work and that needs to be avoided like the plague. Lazing about under a nearby tree is much preferred.

    The Chinese will fix the problem. They will not make the mistake of leaving wealth laying about. It will be removed to China.

  120. @Yak-15

    Indeed.

    Hunter could anally sodomize a toddler on live primetime television while Pedo Joe and the Ho held it for him and slit its throat and nothing would happen to any of them.

    That’s how insanely far above the law these creeps are. The make the Clintons look like paragons of accountability.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  121. WTF does I am become death mean? Is it perhaps a mistranslation where “become death” is a thing and Gilgamesh or whoever is saying I am thing? That would make sense IFF “become death” made sense. Otherwise, I think the author needed to go to the local Grammar R Us store and stock up on conjugates and plurals.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  122. @Raches

    Sooo…it’s Jews again?

    Marx, who was technically a Christian & didn’t consider himself to be Jewish (au contraire).

    As for these magnates Oppenheimers, they are definitely of Jewish descent & have some emotional ties with Jewishness, but they’re all Christians, Anglicans.

    If someone is into Grand Jewish Conspiracy, better find better examples …

    There is a time for everything,
    and a season for every activity under heaven:
    a time to be born and a time to die,
    a time to plant and a time to uproot,
    a time to kill and a time to heal,
    a time to tear down and a time to build,
    a time to weep and a time to laugh,
    a time to mourn and a time to dance,
    a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
    a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
    a time to search and a time to give up,
    a time to keep and a time to throw away,
    a time to tear and a time to mend,
    a time to be silent and a time to speak,
    a time to love and a time to hate,
    a time for war and a time for peace.

    And there is a time for …. Evalion:


    • Replies: @Raches
    , @John Johnson
  123. @Old Prude

    Right, Old Prude. I meant to reply to Jack D. on this, but I’ll put it here. First of all, the White man didn’t really fail in Africa. He just got tired of ingratitude and was too nice for his own good. He left on his own accord. “They don’t like us. We must be bad people, and we need to let these people be free.” Another way of looking at it, by the more realistic was “OK, fine, let them try to run these shitholes themselves. We’ll see how that works out.” They have. We have seen. We were not wrong.

    The Chinese did not come as missionaries and do-gooders to take on any Yellow-Man’s Burden, along with the resource extraction. They are just there for the resource extraction, but they need to use platitudes about helping the Africans to get their feet in the door. They will not be as nice as the White Man was.

    I back up my statement here with a couple of cases of Orville Redenbacher’s best.

    • Replies: @anon
  124. UNIT472 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have and you’re right. The crashing of an airliner into the Pentagon was a complete waste. The equivalent of dropping the Hiroshima bomb on some Japanese army base on Kyushu. The passengers on Flight 93 were goners no matter what but their heroics actually diminished their deaths.

  125. @Murray

    And Jim Goad practices his sardon (Hey, I’m a White Man, I objectivize everything.) on the same topic here.
    https://counter-currents.com/2021/07/hey-at-least-were-not-south-africa/

  126. @Altai

    Are White South Africans fighting back anywhere?

    I found this.

  127. @Altai

    Check this out.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  128. El Dato says:
    @Bill Jones

    The unrest map is pretty good:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Altai
    , @Mike Tre
  129. profnasty says:
    @Flip

    When farmers move out, salt the earth.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  130. J.Ross says:
    @AnotherDad

    Big things are happening in the recounts. Dominion Voting has locked up their website, access requires a password. One Arizona state senator is calling for a recall of electors. Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger is calling for Fulton County election officials to be fired. More than enough obviously photocopied ballots have been found to change results. Thise unexplained sharpies we all got were to invalidate ballots woth bleed-through. After we left the “real” ballots came out and were counted, thus Biden the most popular politician in history but somehow only in the smallest number of counties.

    • Thanks: tyrone
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  131. @El Dato

    TBH the founding and expansion of the Zulu Kingdom is something I admire, but only from a distance. Obviously those were savages, but probably on a higher level then the primitive tribesmen that were united under its banner.

  132. @Bill

    So far, it’s only Namibia which both has a significant white population and hasn’t gone this way. South Africa has been slow on the progression, but it seems clear where things are going.

    The Wiki article “Whites in Africa” used to be pretty good on this—I have not read it in years, so I don’t know now.

    I am curious about Namibia. Why hasn’t it turned to shit? Or has it, and I just don’t know about it?

    That is a good question that I can try to answer.

    Namibia is sparsely populated and depends on White tourism and uranium mining.

    It’s similar to Jamaica where the Blacks live pretty well compared to Africans globally and aren’t in a hurry to kick out the Whites. When Whites are a minority they don’t seem as eager to tell fantasy tales about how Bantu would be just as wealthy if not for White racism.

    Everyone talks a good game but White hunters actually fund a lot of the tourism and conservation efforts of Namibia and South Africa. I once thought it was exaggerated by hunting groups until I looked into it. A lot of the eco-tourism has failed and liberal/conservative theories of nation development hasn’t worked either. So some of these governments have gone back to catering White hunters. The White liberals that condemn hunting aren’t going there and spending thousands of dollars.

    It should also be noted that the Namibian Bantu are not native. As with South Africa the native groups are not enamored with Bantu to say the least.

    • Thanks: Bill
  133. @Buffalo Joe

    The Africans thought they didn’t like their White overlords. Wait until they get a taste of the Chinese.

  134. @Whiskey

    I want whatever drugs you have. Biden backing Castro? Zuma and the Chinese taking over South Africa? If these things come to pass, I will eat my shoe.

  135. @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    Go travel in Africa. They already despise them.

  136. Dnought says:
    @Bill

    Only about 3 million people live there. Much of it is uninhabited. Not enough people in any one place to reach critical mass in terms of unrest and corruption.

  137. El Dato says:

    Trying for Black Yougoslavia.

  138. @profnasty

    When farmers move out, salt the earth.

    Waste of salt.

    In Rhodesia aka Wakanda Next there was a massive misunderstanding of how difficult it is to farm there. The soil is a lousy red clay and not naturally hospitable to farming.

    White liberals still view farming as for the simpleton and have no idea as to how hard modern farming actually is. So with Rhodesia they imagined Blacks just taking the farms and firing up the tractors.

    Anyways the farms went fallow which was part of Zimbabwe’s crash. That and dear leader Bob (once a favorite of White leftists) thought he was smarter than Western economists and believed he could just print money to solve his problems.

    Wakanda Next holds the world record for inflation.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  139. @reactionry

    There will probably be a few posts noting that while South Africa ditched its nukes, Israel and India have not – and probably none that relations between Jews and Boers…

    Nah, a search reveals no other mention of Israel than yours, so you’ve still got dibs on Top Loon so far (143 posts).

  140. @El Dato

    Oh great another peak into our future.

    DOWNLOAD THE UNREST APP TODAY

    CHECK TO SEE IF ANY MOSTLY PEACEFUL UNRESTS ARE NEAR YOUR AREA

    GET EMOTICON NOTIFICATIONS FOR NEARBY SHOOTINGS

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  141. @Reg Cæsar

    eSwatini is what we used to call Swaziland.

  142. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This could mean that they’re vets who joined for college money and haven’t worn alphas or received orders in fifteen years.

  143. @tyrone

    fentanyl is just a perk of open borders.

    No doubt the Chinese sit as payback.

  144. Prosa123 says:
    @John Johnson

    Namibia is the only country in the world where it’s still legal to hunt rhinos. Every year the government issues a very small number of hunting permits, usually in the single digits. All are for old male rhinos who have been driven out of the herds by younger rivals and are no longer involved in reproduction, but who can be dangerous to calves.
    While the rhinos permits almost certainly aren’t cheap, the cost of a safari in Africa for other game can be cheaper than a guided hunt in the Rocky Mountains or especially Alaska even with the airfare.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  145. @Altai

    Its Zulu. The last words being spoken are ‘hamba!’ which means ‘go’ or – in this context – ‘move’.

    I can guarantee that the looters will for the most part be severely dealt with by their fellow Zulus if they mess with the wrong store, particularly if it is owned by a local chief or community leader. You can find some stomach-churning footage of vigilante action against persistent criminals in the townships if you are so inclined.

    Zulus can be remarkably principled in some regards – a throwback to the old warrior ethos I suspect.

  146. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterike

    As the latest horror in South Africa unfolds, keep in mind that it is entirely the end product of Jewish perfidy. SA was a first-world state, kind of an African California of the 1950s. It went from being a near empty wasteland to first-world status entirely by the efforts of white settlers.

    Then the Jews decided that they wanted to ruin it, and apartheid gave them their excuse.

    Jews cannot compete on an even playing field with European societies. Europeans can do everything Jews can do, and more. Europeans, when their societies are allowed to function normally, are very attractive to young Jewish men and to Jewish women of childbearing age. If Jews are to live amongst Europeans (and they seem to like to) and continue as a distinct group, Europeans and European societies must be made ugly or destroyed.

    The ongoing anti-white campaigns — ever more virulent and hostile — everywhere in the West all stem from the petri-dish of the Jewish campaign to eliminate whites in SA.

    It predates the hostile campaign against South Africa. Every iSteve reader should get a load of this thread. They were attempting to delegitimize White identity even back during the British Empire.

    Earlier known instance of every single time?

    • Thanks: Pheasant
  147. Whiskey says: • Website

    Nope nope nope, this is not random looting, and it is very bad with the possibility of escalating to India’s involvement, possibly China’s, and becoming a global black movement against all non-blacks.

    First, the looting and burning were strategic: food distribution networks, transport networks, vehicles, and all the local stores. Starvation will start very quickly, and is the open goal of the rioters/looters. Lots of vehicles were involved with no license plates or the plates removed. Often the targets were far from population centers. This suggests an intelligence service. Does anyone believe that the Zuma coterie has the brains and organizational skill to do this?

    Second, various South African personalities aligned with Zuma (Julius Malema is so far strangely silent) have tried to turn this into an all-out Race War against Whites first, Indians second. [Which is sure to draw in Modi and India, Modi’s government has already threatened Ramphosa with intervention if he does not stop this]

    Third, Ramphosa has lost control, he’s mobilized the Army but it has made no difference. Black leaders around the world will be under pressure from their populations to engage in the same sort of anti-White, anti-other-than-black looting/rioting as seen in South Africa. There black people are burning everything down to starve out Whites and Indians. Local blacks all over the US, Europe, other places will demand the same. It does not matter and has more legitimacy that the media does not cover it but its all over the new platforms. Facebook and Instagram were state of the Art — in 2011.

    Fourth, this is likely to feature large engagements. If various civilians, Indians, Whites, push back the attempted destruction of their areas and withstand the siege and attempted starvation, it will signal the weakness of the black mob. Other places will likely see counter-mobs. Its not 1968 and there is no booming economy to rebuild what is lost, and the government world-wide is seen as the enemy. As noted above, India might intervene. And China might counter them.

    Everyone with a smart phone on the planet will see scenes of Whites and Indians being attacked by black mobs. For blacks, that’s proof they should riot and loot more. For everyone else, proof that rather than noble racial redeemers, black people are in fact their enemies. Why?

    Because we are not evolved to process video images in any other way than feelings. People will back who they see on the screen. That’s the problem with the Woke Hollywood stuff. White people identify with the bad guys and can never warm up to the black “good guys” as its hard-wired. Genetic. The media can screech and scream White Nationalism, but no one cares about them anymore and haven’t for decades.

  148. anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @TG

    Apartheid may not have been super great, but it wasn’t that bad either and South Africa was pretty prosperous. I mean, in the pre-civli war American South blacks were trying to escape –

    Not many wanted to escape. Most had it pretty good under White stewardship in the American South. Basic needs guaranteed, opportunity to marry and have a family, opportunity to benefit from and even learn White technology, people with power over you invested in your health and well being. The explosion in the black population proves it.

    “Slavery” in the American may not have been super great, but it was a lot better than most people in the world had it at the time.

  149. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It’s really the fault of whites, the whites are stochastically rioting.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  150. @Peter Johnson

    I cannot think of a more perfect example of the merits of private firearm ownership than the scenes of SA citizens protecting their neighborhoods. Might be something the elites don’t want you to think about too deeply.

    • Agree: El Dato, Seneca44
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  151. @Johann Theron

    From your name it appears you’re South African.

    Is there any way to tell a Zulu from a Xhosa or a Venda by looks alone? Obviously, if you’re an older SAfrican who may have picked up the lingo (I’ve met many who were raised in country areas before 1960 who could speak the local language anywhere from passably to fluently), you can tell, but before they speak, are there differences?

    The Police already know the top instigators

    Not only that but the idiots film themselves and put the videos up on Tik Tok. It should be pretty easy to ID them from that. Everything that goes up on Tik Tok can be GPSed.

  152. Abe says:

    Pretty dreary stuff. On the plus side, maybe South Africa can now take the crown from the United States for dumbest Presidential campaign slogan:

    “Ramaphosa, Ramaphosa! Vote for him and not the Xhosa!”

    https://alt.obituaries.narkive.com/vH1rRF9x/the-worst-campaign-slogan-in-us-history

  153. Off topic…

    Lotteries will determine recipients of 185 marijuana dispensary licenses in Illinois

    Lotteries will be held July 29, Aug. 5 and Aug. 19 to choose who will get the next 185 licenses to operate recreational marijuana dispensaries in Illinois, Gov. JB Pritzker said Thursday.

    The Democratic governor also signed a bill into law designed to give minority applicants a better chance of receiving a license through the August lotteries.

    And Pritzker announced that more than 200 people across the state will be offered licenses to open cannabis “craft grow” cultivation centers or operate specialty infusing and transportation businesses in the state’s expanding legal marijuana industry.

    House Bill 1443 will make the first major changes to the 2019 law that legalized recreational use of marijuana for customers 21 and older and set in motion legal cannabis cultivation centers and dispensaries across Illinois.

    Bill sponsor state Rep. LaShawn Ford, D-Chicago, said the new law will reduce complaints from minority entrepreneurs who want to break into the almost all-white industry.

    The legislation, he said, also is expected to result in the withdrawal of lawsuits over the way applications for the 75 licenses to be awarded in the delayed first lottery were evaluated by the state.

    “I hope that equity in the cannabis industry is a reality soon in Illinois,” Ford said in a news release. “We are all anxiously awaiting a new, diverse industry that includes people that have been locked up for cannabis-related issues and who have locked out of a billion-dollar, emerging industry. I applaud Gov. Pritzker for signing this legislation and for his promise to ensure that the new cannabis industry includes Black and brown people in Illinois.”

    Willie “JR” Fleming, a Chicago-based cannabis entrepreneur who runs a trade association for cannabis social-equity applicants, said he was happy about the signing of HB 1443.

    “We will create economic growth,” he said.

    Pritzker said his administration wants to provide Illinois residents from diverse backgrounds “equitable access” to the cannabis industry.

    “Over the past century, the failed war on drugs has destroyed families, filled prisons with nonviolent offenders and disproportionately disrupted Black and brown communities,” the governor said.

    “Legalizing adult-use cannabis brought about an important change, and this latest piece of legislation helps move us even closer to our goal of establishing a cannabis industry in Illinois that doesn’t shy away from the pain caused by the war on drugs, but instead centers (on) equity and community reinvestment as the key to moving forward,” he said.

    After the July 29 lottery to determine winners among top-scoring applicants for the 75 licenses, the new law will set up lotteries for awarding the next 110 licenses, in equal batches, that would make “social-equity” applicants more likely to qualify.

    Social-equity applicants include entrepreneurs from low-income neighborhoods or who have been arrested on marijuana charges or had immediate family members who had been arrested.

    Applicants for the 110 licenses now can qualify for a lottery if they scored 85% or better on state criteria, rather than the perfect scores required previously.

    The law also will allow existing dispensaries to move within a municipality with that municipality’s approval.

    And the law will make ownership data for the 110 future licenses public, which is a change from the secrecy allowed under the original law.

    The new dispensary licenses awarded will allow for three more dispensary licenses in a region consisting of Sangamon and Menard counties.

    Three additional licenses will be granted for a west-central Illinois region that includes Christian, Logan, Mason, Montgomery, Morgan and Schuyler counties.

    Three more licenses will be allowed in a multi-county region of Illinois near St. Louis that includes Macoupin and Jersey counties.

    The Illinois Department of Agriculture on Thursday issued notifications to successful applicants who are eligible to receive one of 213 total licenses — 40 craft grow licenses, 32 infuser licenses and 141 licenses to transport products between craft grow facilities and dispensaries.

    Pritzker said all of the 213 people and businesses eligible for the licenses are social-equity applicants. At least 98 of the applicants are Black-owned and 19 are Latinx-owned, Pritzker’s office said.

    Rep. Jehan Gordon-Booth, D-Peoria, one of the original cannabis law’s sponsors, said in Pritzker’s release: “From the very beginning, we sought to create the most diverse and equitable cannabis industry in the world, knowing that we had no bread crumbs to follow or examples of any state that had figured it out. The announcement of these demographics for the craft grow, infuser and transportation licenses are proof that what we can accomplish is only limited by how hard we are willing to work.”

    Craft grow and infuser applicants have 10 business days to tell the state whether they want a license and submit the required fee and documents.

    Transporter applicants have until February to confirm their interest and receive a license.

    Pritzker’s office said the state will reveal the identities of successful applicants “upon confirmation of their submission of the required documentation and fees.”

    (https://www.pjstar.com/story/news/2021/07/15/new-law-creates-two-more-lotteries-cannabis-dispensary-licenses/7978884002/)

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  154. @J.Ross

    Perhaps they wore ‘blackface’ while rioting earlier.

    Ever think about that?

  155. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Commodities have become more and more commodified. And are scarcely worth the trouble. Oil is the last one that mattered. but fracking capped the upside from production inelasticities.

    They aren’t that rare. Aren’t that valuable. And can simply be purchased in global markets which are ultimately maintained by the US military. Which isn’t worth much, but globalism is popular, and no one much has to fight for it.

    Japan proved a lack of resources won’t prevent a determined economy from becoming an industrial powerhouse. Too bad for them that DRAM and Toyotas became commodities.

    So, yea. China could do it. But why bother. The belt and road skipped Africa. I rest my case.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  156. Wilkey says:
    @duncsbaby

    Paulsen described his daughter as pansexual and a member of the LGBTQ community who planned to walk in the Pride parade this year. “Daisy, I call her Daisy, she was going to walk this year, so now I’ll walk for her,” Paulsen said

    The girl and her father sound like they were/are happy supporters of the immigrant invasion that took her life.

    Apparently after Jupiter was murdered her father got down on his knees – figuratively and perhaps even literally – and kissed the asses of the “leaders” of the “Liberian community” in Fargo. And possibly stayed on his knees when they turned around.

  157. Altai says:
    @El Dato

    It’s basically a map of large urban areas with Zulus.

  158. Hibernian says:
    @notsaying

    “I laughed out loud at the thought of Iranians kidnapping someone in Brooklyn and take by speedboat to Venezuela.”

    I cry for my country. The weakness of our leadership class, such as it is, emboldened them to embark on that conspiracy. They might have pulled it off if they hadn’t been arrested first. The target was an American citizen resident in the US. The investigation may have begun under the Trump administration. Who knows what will happen as Biden’s minions consolidate power.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @notsaying
  159. El Dato says:
    @Hibernian

    You seem to be taking this bullshit at face value.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  160. Ed says:
    @Flip

    I wonder where the Indians will go? I suppose Anglo countries but it’ll be interesting to see where they land.

  161. El Dato says:
    @James Speaks

    I will be your Google Retriever today:

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/433468/is-robert-oppenheimers-phrase-now-i-am-become-death-the-destroyer-of-worlds

    As modern German, French, and Italian still do today, early modern English formed the perfect tenses of intransitive verbs of directed motion and some changes of state not with a form of to have, but to be and the past participle. I have become is the modern grammatical equivalent of the archaic I am become, but far from equal in rhetorical power.

    This grammar change might have passed unnoticed were it not for two literary sources that both kept the form alive and gave any statement using a to be perfect tense tremendous weight: Shakespeare and the King James translation of the Bible.

    Oppenheimer is quoting the Bhagavad Gita, Hindu scripture originally in Sanskrit first translated into English in 1785. While there still were English speakers using a form like “I am come” in normal speech — some of Jane Austen’s characters regularly use the form — it is unlikely that the translator was imitating that usage as much as the Shakespeare-KJV archaic forms to add gravitas to the translation. Oppenheimer is recalling the verse from some edition that maintained the archaic but rhetorically powerful to be present perfect.

    Meanwhile, Studio Ghibli is trending:

  162. vhrm says:
    @Bill Jones

    Going after Zuma is a damn sight more recent than the usual suspects still going after “dachau guards”

    No question. That’s beyond embarrassing.

    But in the case of Zuma the country is already an unstable mess and this was an unnecessary own-goal, imo and it’s killed over a hundred people and done probably over a billion dollars in damage.

    Keeping politicians honest, or at least somewhat honest, or not ridiculously corrupt, is important.

    That said prosecutions of previous leaders or other high level politicians have always struck seem more political than principled.

    For example, the Netanyahu charges are pretty weak. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55949391

    The stuff against Trump / Trump Org is laughable
    (https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/01/experts-charges-trump-organization-allen-weisselberg/ )

    idk what exactly the solution is, but this isn’t it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  163. American ANC:

  164. [MORE]

    Lol byline NYT, WaPo, Time

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  165. OT:

    Steve, I couldn’t resist the temptation to look this up:

    [MORE]

    When I become supreme sovereign ruler of the known universe, my first official act will be to hunt down and destroy all extant copies of my high-school yearbooks.

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Dhyan Chand
  166. @Altai

    Ethnic Indians in KwaZulu Natal, who are clannish and hate blacks have engaged in actions seen as ethnic violence towards Zulus in general who weren’t rioting, leading to a new phase of potential inter-ethnic violence.

    Wow, that seems like a huge and very unfortunate mistake for them (Hindoos) to have made.

    • Replies: @Stan
    , @Colin Wright
  167. vhrm says:
    @peterike

    Do you think that apartheid SA would just have continued happily to this day? I’m fairly skeptical.

    An interesting read
    https://forward.com/news/143231/south-african-jews-struggle-with-legacy-of-aparthe/

    It looks like South African jews and Israely jews were quite split on the issue and those who were anti-apartheid were in the minority. There was still some bad blood as recently as 10 years ago.

    • Replies: @notsaying
    , @gandydancer
  168. notsaying says:
    @Hibernian

    I laughed at the thought of a little speedboat making its way from Brooklyn to Venezuela. I did not find the Iranian wish to kidnap anybody funny.

    Do you really think they could have gotten that woman and whoever else was in the boat to Venezuela alive?

  169. @John Johnson

    Speaking of Namibia, the BBC is reporting that two Namibian teens who were planning to run in the Olympics women’s 400 meters, and expected to win medals, have been banned because they’ve got too much testosterone.

    Of course it makes perfect sense that two girls of about the same age from the same tiny country would completely dominate a single track event at the international level.

    Key quotations from the article:

    World Athletics does not attempt to argue that Mboma and Masilingi, and other female athletes with high testosterone levels, are not women.

    and

    But for these two teenagers, a legal ruling on their womanhood is very personal.

    “We all come from different areas and are raised differently. It’s just different. We are all created differently, with different purposes. So you can’t compare me with someone else. It’s really unfair,” says Masilingi.

    Hmmmmm.

    I’ll post photos of the two girls, Beatrice and Christine, after the MORE tag.

    [MORE]

    This is Beatrice:

    And this is Christine:

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Donald A Thomson
  170. @El Dato

    Thank you for that. I am become fluent.

    . While there still were English speakers using a form like “I am come” in normal speech — some of Jane Austen’s characters regularly use the form — it is unlikely that the translator was imitating that usage as much as the Shakespeare-KJV archaic forms to add gravitas to the translation. Oppenheimer is recalling the verse from some edition that maintained the archaic but rhetorically powerful to be present perfect.

    Given that it was Oppenheimer, wouldn’t I am come or I am do have been more apprpriate?

    Continuing with the theme of incomprehensibility-ism (abstrusity?): WTF was Diogenes up to? Shed some light on this one, s’il vous plaît.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  171. notsaying says:
    @vhrm

    That was interesting.

    The focus of the article is on South African Jewish-Israeli freedom fighter Arthur Goldreich, who helped both the Jewish people establish Israel and the blacks end apartheid.

    Goldreich was arrested but escaped. The article says “Goldreich then eluded a nationwide manhunt and eventually returned to Israel” without saying how any of this occurred. It’s hard not to think the Israelis didn’t rescue him, at least when he left the country if not from prison.

    No wonder feelings are bitter. The South African Jews who continued to take risks to battle apartheid aren’t happy he escaped or that a funeral service meant to reconcile them with the South African Jewish religious establishment who supported apartheid to the very end invited an Israeli official when the anti-apartheit people are pro Palestinian. That was just running unnecessary salt in the wound.

    Funny how people will say they want reconciliation and then sabotage it, particularly when the Jewish establishment who actively supported the whites against black freedom lost and are still a minority within a minority.

  172. Michelle says:

    Did you know that women living in South Africa can run red lights, called “Red Robots” there. It is that dangerous for women to be stopped at a light. Here in the Bay Area, it is starting to get that dangerous. Criminals hop out of cars and break your car windows while you are stopped in traffic and steal your stuff. Trouble is, traffic is so dense that running the red light isn’t really an option.

    • Thanks: notsaying
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  173. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michelle

    Criminals hop out of cars and break your car windows while you are stopped in traffic and steal your stuff. Trouble is, traffic is so dense that running the red light isn’t really an option.

    If traffic is so dense, how are the criminals able to get away?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  174. @anon

    Why “must” this be so?

    Are you an intern? Was Corvinus assigned to coach you?

    • LOL: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @anon
  175. Mike Tre says:
    @El Dato

    It’s like the street poop map in San Fran.

  176. Jim says:
    @Anonymous

    Bantu is a family of related languages, a very large number of them. Zulus speak Bantu languages but so do many other tribes.

  177. @James Speaks

    Thank you for that. I am become fluent.

    “The Lord is come” is from “Joy To the World”, not the Songs of Solomon, nor the Kama Sutra.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
  178. @vhrm

    You don’t really think peterike is interested in reality, do you? Let me quote him:

    As the latest horror in South Africa unfolds, keep in mind that it is entirely the end product of Jewish perfidy. SA was a first-world state… Then the Jews decided that they wanted to ruin it, and apartheid gave them their excuse.

    Intra-Jewish conflict over Israeli cooperation with a White ZA can’t possibly register on someone who imagines the Jews as monolithic minions of the the Council of the Elders of Zion, never mind what is evident to anyone with a functioning brain.

  179. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Everybody just needs to take a deep breath and remind themselves that diversity is our strength.”

    Indeed, it’s who we are. Glad to see you finally admitted what is observably true.

  180. @anon

    Japan proved a lack of resources won’t prevent a determined economy from becoming an industrial powerhouse.

    On the other hand, it helped make sinking Jap shipping an effective tactic for the US in WWII.

    • Replies: @Curle
  181. @Pat Tabler

    Hmm. Ownership data for license holders. That has home invasions written all over it.

  182. @Corvinus

    LOL. It’s who Euro-mutt mischlings are.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  183. Lurker says:
    @John Johnson

    So with Rhodesia they imagined Blacks just taking the farms and firing up the tractors.

    In a SA a similar policy is in operation – fire up the farms and steal the tractors.

    • LOL: vhrm
  184. @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    We can leave Africa to the tender mercies of the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  185. Stan says:
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    “Ethnic Indians in KwaZulu Natal, who are clannish and hate blacks have engaged in actions seen as ethnic violence towards Zulus in general who weren’t rioting, leading to a new phase of potential inter-ethnic violence.”

    There is no evidence to support this ridiculous opinion. Racist evil Indians infliction violence against innocent angelic Zulus is bullshit. Most people familiar with the behavior of SSA know where the truth lies.

  186. @Altai

    A black guy tweeted that they should give the country back to the Boers. I can’t find it now.

  187. @Buffalo Joe

    Desi, close your eyes and picture the fourth jet liner crashing into congress.

    Joe Biden would still say the January 6th event was worse, far worse.

  188. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @vhrm

    As of yesterday. Things are winding down for now, but arson is continuing. Durban is done, it’s never coming back from this. And that’s just the best case scenario.

    There’s a serious food shortage, and the state will almost certainly fumble the relief response. Once the looters are finished gorging and drinking themselves into a stupor, they’ll have no more food and nowhere left to find more. Unless the combined efforts of the state and various charities (I have much more hope in the latter) get it to them in time, things will get really ugly.

    But maybe the worst thing is the precedent this sets. People now know just how much they can get away with. Not a great thing in a country where highly destructive protests are an everyday occurrence, pogroms against foreigners break out every couple of years, and incitement of violence against whites is unrelenting.

    Zuma should’ve been left alone. It was too big of a gamble. But I can at least see why his prosecution might be desirable to the other faction of the ANC. The real mystery are the millions of white South Africans who’ve been obsessing about prosecuting Zuma for years (as if the ANC was looting any less egregiously without him, and as if jailing him could possibly have any positive effect on SA’s unstable, tribal society), and were celebrating his sentence for contempt of court as some amazing triumph of justice and South African democracy just a few days ago. The violence and destruction is tragic, but these dummies remain as hilarious as ever, even through all the carnage. Always so certain the rainbow nation future they were promised is just around the corner.

    • Thanks: vhrm, Pheasant
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  189. @Altai

    Are these Indian guys just putting on a show in the hopes of scaring potential attacks? Is there a guy being necklaced in that ball of flames? Probably just talk. But again, these videos are being shared on social media.

    I’m not sharing it, but I just saw a video on Twitter of a black kid hacked to pieces by Indians. This is not just talk. These are tough Indian Muslims who don’t take shit. And I guess the Hindus as well. Ever see pictures of an intercommunal riot in India? This is the same.

    • Replies: @Altai
  190. @Desiderius

    I appreciate your not taking my advice wrong last week, and implementing a suggestion, Desiderius. I see you put a beginning description or line of some sort for some of these tweets under the [MORE] tag. I think that’s better than nothing before the tag. Unfortunately, with this one, I don’t know who these 2 people are, and I do have a hard time figuring who’s writing to whom with this tweeting.

    It’s usually interesting to me, so, again, thanks.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  191. @Anonymous

    Zuma got forced out of office for corruption three years ago and replaced by Ramaphosa, a man who got very rich by playing ball. Zuma is 79 now. It seems likes playing with fire to pile on the Zulu when Zulus tend to be notorious hotheads.

  192. @Servant of Gla'aki

    ‘Wow, that seems like a huge and very unfortunate mistake for them (Hindoos) to have made.’

    So one would assume. But faced with actual opposition, blacks can be astonishingly ineffectual.

  193. @Achmed E. Newman

    She’s a Rabbi with a byline at what are supposedly our three premier publications and she’s tweeting out emojis of pregnant men.

    Obtuseness suits neither one of you.

    Pregnant men is a disaster of epic proportions barreling full speed ahead in our direction. Like Poe level horror. This suggests that the whole female clergy experiment may be ill-conceived.

  194. @Buffalo Joe

    Worse, because Let’s Roll reaffirmed for a generation or three the kind of people we are. Without that we might be in serious danger from whoever filled that vacuum.

  195. Raches says:
    @Bill

    Not just Rhodesia. Each black African country with a significant white population followed the same pattern. Blacks took over. Gradually or quickly, things stop working. Whites are blamed. Whites flee the ensuing violence or threat of violence.

    My comment was inspired by my recent reading of some materials from 1983. White South Africans could not have voted “Yes” on the constitutional question unless feeble-minded or insane, given the example of Rhodesia before their eyes. Evidently, by a 2:1 ratio, they were not a viable form of mammalian life.

    Alas for the memory of Dr. Verwoerd.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  196. @notsaying

    “I laughed out loud at the thought of Iranians kidnapping someone in Brooklyn and take by speedboat to Venezuela.”

    Man, they must have access to some great weed. That’s Hunter Thompson level stuff there.

    • Agree: notsaying
  197. Curle says:
    @gandydancer

    “If you were in Washington and politically active in the ’70s, the Gandy Dancer was the place to be.”

    Ham Jordan’s hang-out. Owned by Bill Paley’s son. Patronized by politicos, druggies and other assorted riff raff. I know a gal who worked there. I presume your handle is not an homage to that place?

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/02/13/his-fathers-son/

  198. Malla says:

    De Beers was long controlled by the Oppenheimer family, which got into a public feud with the Guptas a year ago.

    The hinjews chest thumped and made the mistake on taking on the real Joos. Ends up bad for the Hinjew in general. Except in Antwerp, where Hinjews took up the diamond business.

  199. Raches says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Sooo…it’s Jews again?

    Marx, who was technically a Christian & didn’t consider himself to be Jewish (au contraire).

    As for these magnates Oppenheimers, they are definitely of Jewish descent & have some emotional ties with Jewishness, but they’re all Christians, Anglicans.

    If someone is into Grand Jewish Conspiracy, better find better examples …

    What is the notion that a man’s nature can be changed by shamanistic rituals and the sprinkling of magic water? It is the original seed of the environmentalist denial of heredity, the axiom on which turns the belief that blacks can become just like whites through being sprinkled with holy “education”, and similar rites of the “liberal” priesthood.

    To describe Marx as “technically a Christian” is, however, quite correct. Marxism is a Christian reformation: the reformulation of Second Century primitive Christianity on pseudoscientific grounds, without explicit gods. Christianity began as proletarian agitation; it has been returned to its roots both in the mainline churches, and through the Marxist dogma that blessed are the poor, blessed are the meek, blessed are the hungry, the battle is not to the strong, and sooner shall a camel pass through the eye of a needle than a bourgeois exploiter enter the Dictatorship of Proletarian Heaven. Note that the dogma of universal equality entered the West as a Christian idea.

    For my part, I do not worship Jewish gods, Jewish messiahs, or Jewish books; and I did not mention Christianity. You raised it as a red herring to mislead from my point that the so-called “white monopoly capital” of the Oppenheimers is, in fact, Jewish monopoly capital. In discussing the ethnic (not religious) issues in South Africa, this is an important distinction; to observe it accurately is a matter not of a “Grand Jewish Conspiracy”, but of basic honesty. More generally, much (but not all) of the cultural demonization of white men is based on blaming “whites” collectively for the actions of Jews—ethnic Jews, regardless of the religious affiliations or lack thereof. That must stop.

    Since you conclude with an extended quote and a video that I did not watch, I will conclude with a quote from a Jewish source:

    One thing is quite certain: a Jew is never baptized for the purpose of becoming a Christian; his purpose is to become a gentile. Yet obviously you do not make a gentile of a Jew by baptizing him any more than you would make an Aryan of a negro by painting him with ocher. [Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles (1924), pp. 190–191.]

  200. @Corvinus

    Indeed, and it was an objectively poor (series of) decisions to become what we currently are.

    The future is what people make of it, though, so today’s present is not necessarily the present of tomorrow, thankfully.

    Maybe like Russia did, we will snap out if this one day, or be amongst the stars where it doesn’t matter.

  201. anon[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    She’s a Rabbi with a byline at what are supposedly our three premier publications and she’s tweeting out emojis of pregnant men.

    So it was totally spam. Thanks for the confirmation, spammer.

    This suggests that the whole female clergy experiment may be ill-conceived.

    Duh. In other news, dogs are not cats, and cats are not dogs.

    In the future, simplify. You can just poast this image. Same diff.

  202. @El Dato

    The story I’ve always heard was that Oppie was so super smart and spiritual that he learned Sanskrit to read the Gita (it’s in simple, Classical Sanskrit so not really a problem for a rocket scientist like him) so that was HIS translation.

    Also, I doubt that there were that many English translations btw Emerson’s day and Oppenheimer’s, so it would be relatively easy for someone to consult them and see if anyone did, in fact, use the archaic “I am” language.

    But as always, whenever one of the Chosen is involved, any myth is believed.

  203. Malla says:

    In South Africa was there even during Apartheid a clandestine Zulu-Xhosa rivalry just like the Afrikaner-Anglo rivalry? Did the warrior types Zulus and Afrikaners had a better understand? I have read in many places what Zulus were very comfortable with dealing with Afrikaners and Afrikaners with Zulus than other Whites and Blacks respectively.
    Did the slimeball types like the Xhosas and Indians get along better together? ANC was dominated by Xhosas and there were many Indians in it too. Did Jew-Anglos-Xhosas-Indians have some form of slimeball understanding behind the scenes as against warrior “alliance” of Afrikaners + Zulus?

  204. Malla says:
    @Jack D

    relationship where local rulers remained on the throne, but as Chinese allies. White people tried to colonize Africa but in the end they were overwhelmed

    Actually contrary to what many believe, European Empires in Africa had good relations with native chiefs and many of them were semi independent and well respected (after being conquered) by the European Imperial governors. In many ways they were tributary states to the Central Imperial powers. Indian Princely States were nothing but tributary states to the British monarchs (also sharing the Title of King-Emperors of India) and they were more or less left alone. They never bowed down to even the Viceroy of India, the only people they bowed down to according to British Empire convention were the British-Indian Imperial family. Compared to that the King of Korea would have to bow down to even the ambassador from China at the gates and walk behind the Ambassador like a small kid. At least that is how it was during the Qing dynasty-Joseon dynasty period.
    On the other hand, there were British residents (advisors) in near each of the Princely States but the King/Nawab/Sultan/Rajah always held a higher position according to convention of the British Empire.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    , @Anonymous
  205. @Malla

    Zulus battled non-Zulu blacks viciously around 1990.

    The story in The Economist was that Mandela’s ANC won in such a rout in 1994 that he forged the results to let the Zulu party win the Durban region and the white party win the Cape Town region. But I have no idea if that is true.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Pericles
  206. @Prosa123

    To be clear I don’t have a problem with the hunting.

    I have a problem with White liberals that have unrealistic expectations for Africa.

    If White liberals visited Namibia and spent money then they could criticize the hunting.

    It’s just another area where they project fantasy and don’t want to look at reality.

    In their minds all these countries are one step from Wakanda and they find it insulting that White hunters are there at all.

  207. @Malla

    In South Africa was there even during Apartheid a clandestine Zulu-Xhosa rivalry just like the Afrikaner-Anglo rivalry?

    I can take that one.

    The Zulu have never liked the Xhosa and would have happily taken White rule if it meant having their own autonomous land within a Boer empire.

    That is the mistake that the Boers made. They should have turned the Zulu against the Xhosa instead of letting Western liberals depict the situation as Black vs White.

    The Zulu have a proud history much like the American Indians. Sure they eventually lost against the British but they were underestimated and take pride in their warrior history.

    Both tribes are Bantu but the Zulu view the Xhosa as more foreign than the Whites.

    A lot of today’s Xhosa are descended from immigrants that came to South Africa for work. Western media will never talk about how Blacks tried moving to the Apartheid state for work. Sound familiar? Third worlders moving to raacyiss White countries for opportunity.

    Weird but true fact is that Trevor Noah was almost killed in a Zulu/Xhosa tribal episode.

    • Thanks: Malla
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  208. @Raches

    My comment was inspired by my recent reading of some materials from 1983. White South Africans could not have voted “Yes” on the constitutional question unless feeble-minded or insane, given the example of Rhodesia before their eyes. Evidently, by a 2:1 ratio, they were not a viable form of mammalian life.

    White South Africans were never given a vote on whether Bantu (Xhosa) should be handed the country.

    That was by executive rule.

    White South Africans were willing to deal with the embargos even though their only ally at the time was Israel.

    Funny enough some key anti-Apartheid leaders were Jewish.

    • Replies: @Raches
  209. @Peter Johnson

    The South African share market is up 19.6 percent this year, on the back of soaring mineral prices. To the average white person who reads the elite media, nothing is wrong in South Africa.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  210. @Corvinus

    Indeed, and an objectively poor series of decisions it was that lead to that being the observable truth. Thankfully, history is long, and mistakes may yet be undone or serve as lessons for others and the heroes who survive them, or even the quiet types.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  211. @White Guy In Japan

    They build things, at least. Honestly, better economic colonization by the Chinese than the IMF.

    I don’t think it will ever be physical colonization, but if it was, even then Africa would be better off.

    I would feel the same way about Japanese domination though.

  212. @Malla

    It’s an effective way to run an overseas Empire.

    Not that America should ever have had one, but our elites grew fat and arrogant with mass communication and transit, thinking they could treat the leaders of the nations of the world like the Qing their tributaries. I’m pleased with it, though. Hubris brings the end.

  213. El Dato says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    “We all come from different areas and are raised differently. It’s just different. We are all created differently, with different purposes. So you can’t compare me with someone else. It’s really unfair”

    My my my!

  214. El Dato says:
    @Desiderius

    Don’t fight it.

    • Replies: @anon
  215. @peterike

    As the latest horror in South Africa unfolds, keep in mind that it is entirely the end product of Jewish perfidy. …

    The ongoing anti-white campaigns — ever more virulent and hostile — everywhere in the West all stem from the petri-dish of the Jewish campaign to eliminate whites in SA.

    Peterike, i don’t think any of this is correct.

    The mess in South Africa was “baked in”. “Cheap labor” coming home to roost.

    It’s not precisely clear why Jews have been so much more destructive than any other middle man minority. My guess is it is a combo of skill at verbalist bullshitting stemming from the rabbinical tradition and having one’s middle-man minority status–anti-integration orientation–be flat out religious. (Non-integration and majority hostility be an actual religion–an identity, a core belief, ordained by God!)

    But there isn’t much confusion about why Jews push minoritarianism. It’s a natural ideology of a middle man minority. Balkanize and weaken majority populations to make them more penetrable for you as a middle man minority to get in and grab opportunities. (Look at all the ridiculous Jewish whimpering about chickenshit like the Golfocaust or Harvard quotas. That’s all about breaking the majority’s reigning elite’s hold and getting at the goodies.) Jewish hostility toward the majority gentile majority forms and guides the whole “bad whitey!” thrust.

    There does seem to have been a sort of sea change in the 20th century in the thrust of Jewish ideology and utopianism.

    Back in the day, it was toward liberalization and then the (secular) utopian thrust toward communism and this vision of a classless, nationless future where all the ethnic divisions (like being Jewish) fade and we all march forward together (with Jews able to grab leading roles). That old-left vision seemed to die–perhaps with Stalin’s purge of the Jews or perhaps just with the war. (An interesting question of intellectual history.)

    But clearly after the War, perhaps motivated by the Holocaust? or just disillusion with the Soviet Union–or perhaps Jewish success in America?–the current “bad whitey!” minoritarianism became utterly dominant, riding on the back of–justifying itself with–the black experience in America. Solidarity with the working man–just a bunch of pickup driving proto-Nazis–was out. “Racism!” and seeking to delegitimize American whites–their history, culture and people–was in.

    It’s pretty striking in light of the fact that the white American working man had just shown up–with hundreds of thousands dead and maimed–to defeat the Nazis. You’d think this would have been a time when Jews really bonded with their fellow Americans? Developed some loyalty? But gratitude just does not seem to be a Jewish thing. (At least directed toward non-Jews.) Perhaps it’s the weird psychological tick where one simply chafes under a debt that’s too big to repay … and trashing the person you owe as unworthy lifts the psychological burden? (We don’t owe them squat, they’re a bunch of racist assholes!) (One would have to drill into the psych of individual Jewish ideologues and propagandists to figure out the motivations.) The whole thing is very grotesque–at core a reminder that you can never expect gratitude from “a people” and you should never ever let anyone come into your nation and expect to be repaid with anything but pain.

    In any case, the point is the current minoritarianism–whitey (esp. deplorable working calls whitey) is an evil oppressor of virtuous minorities and has no right to anything, least of all his nations–is a creation of American Jews and has flooded out from America–on waves of academic, journalistic, government, business and Hollyweird propaganda–to the rest of the world.

    South Africa was completely irrelevant in this process. This ideology isn’t from South Africa, predates any great interest in South Africa by the rest of the world and would exist even if South Africa didn’t exist at all.

    South Africa simply demonstrates the result.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  216. @Alt Right Moderate

    The South African share market is up 19.6 percent this year, on the back of soaring mineral prices. To the average white person who reads the elite media, nothing is wrong in South Africa.

    This advice can be quite literal at times:

    The modern, snowflake version:

  217. @The King is a Fink

    I cannot think of a more perfect example of the merits of private firearm ownership than the scenes of SA citizens protecting their neighborhoods. Might be something the elites don’t want you to think about too deeply.

    The ammunition factories are running flat out–24×7. And I was hoping that by the fall i could afford–and find!–some ammunition.

    (My brother was going to get me a box of .22 rounds for my birthday and couldn’t even find any in the stores. He gave me box of 00 buck instead–which i appreciate.)

    SA is just going to set price normalcy back a bit. But it’s good for people to see … and contemplate.

  218. @Desiderius

    This suggests that the whole female clergy experiment may be ill-conceived.

    LOL. Ya think?

    [MORE]

    Clergy itself is problematic. There is no end of ways female clergy is a disaster. Any religion that goes that route is basically committing suicide … and in the process perhaps destroying the nation of the people it serves.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  219. @Desiderius

    Thanks for explaining it. Most tweets, even ones about non-ridiculously-stupid subjects, don’t come across very clearly to me. “Pregnant men” is not a disaster but an impossibility. The idea is so damn stupid that it will always crash the Peak Stupidity super computers when it’s included in our Stupidity Mathematical Modeling algorithms . It results in a divide-by-zero error.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  220. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The story in The Economist was that Mandela’s ANC won in such a rout in 1994 that he forged the results to let the Zulu party win the Durban region and the white party win the Cape Town region. But I have no idea if that is true.

    I don’t know about that. The black population in KwaZulu-Natal is almost entirely Zulu, and the 80s and early 90s were time of bitter and open tribal conflict. I’d be surprised if the IFP didn’t truly win there, both in 1994 and 1999.

    The Western Cape is a bit less unlikely, especially since the ANC did win there in 1999 and 2004 (and never again), despite the Xhosa invasion of the province (which has been the main factor pushing the Coloured majority there away from the ANC) not slowing down in the meantime. That said, there were 2 white or whitish parties that were viable in the province in those elections, splitting the vote, their combined total in the 1999 being higher than the ANC’s. Either way, soon none of this complexity will matter, as the province has maybe a couple of election cycles left before being totally submerged by the Xhosa (fleeing their starving, basket case homeland of the Eastern Cape). It’s just gonna be the ANC vs the EFF in South Africa soon enough.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  221. Rosie says:
    @Desiderius

    This suggests that the whole female clergy experiment may be ill-conceived.

    This is retarded. Does this suggest male clergy might not be a good idea?

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/questions-over-alleged-coverup-of-sex-abuse-claims-against-us-reform-rabbi/

    • Agree: vhrm
  222. Rosie says:
    @AnotherDad

    This suggests that the whole female clergy experiment may be ill-conceived.

    LOL. Ya think?

    Meanwhile, male-dominated Corporate America is 100% on board with transmania, and far more powerful than some random woman rabbi.

    https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2021/corporations-federal-lgbtq-rights/722111

    Confirmation bias. Look it up.

  223. Pericles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Was that the white party led by former anti-apartheid activist (((Helen Zille)))?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  224. @notsaying

    – The 37-year-old said that ‘finger pointing’ was not going to help because the government must ‘feed the poor’

    Agree. But who should the poor be fed to, crocodiles, lions or hippos?

    • LOL: notsaying
  225. @Raches

    Alright, it is essentially about human nature. Blacks are clearly a different sort of people- although with much variations- due to the fact they truly are a different race.

    Jews, although at some level inbred (their characteristic genetic diseases) are Caucasians or, if you wish, Mediterranean white types. We judge people by how they behave, what their actions & reactions (especially re. sensitive issues) reveal, what we know about their motivations & inner life. So instead of being dogmatic, let’s go primarily with the empiry.

    Marx’s body of work is a complex subject, elsewhere (Kolakowski, Sperber, Berlin, …) discussed. But, it is evident from what we know that he never identified himself with anything Jewish & was, dominantly, an anti-judaist. He didn’t know anything about Jewish culture, but he despised it; his entire national-cultural-identitarian profile is clearly German (even sometimes pan-German) & European.

    As for Oppenheimers, I don’t know much about them, but from what is available at quick glance, they are British magnates, having the primary collective loyalty to British elites & ruling classes & paying attention to almost nothing particularly Jewish, nor being led by “Is it good for the Jews?”. If we take a look at three generations of Oppenheimers, they are British monopolists with, I guess, some Jewish “hue” coloring & discoloring segments of their lives.

    Maurice Samuel, whose book I’ve read, was an interesting crackpot.

    • Replies: @Raches
  226. @Peter D. Bredon

    That works, plus “hunger.” Hunger is why they are causing trucks to dump milk. Hunger is why they filled a river with bread. Hunger is why they trashed a schoolroom full of computer equipment. And Trump. Yeah, works.

  227. @Raches

    What is the notion that a man’s nature can be changed by shamanistic rituals and the sprinkling of magic water?

    Straight up, Christianity. You don’t like it, argue with a billion believers.

    I always enjoy how the brain dead anti-Semites hereabouts introduce me to forgotten figures from the past, whose ideas were crackpot then and which are useless now.

    • Replies: @Raches
  228. @Anonymous

    I discussed at the time with South African friends the possibility of forming a popular front (white, Asian, Coloured) against the blacks. They all agreed it was a good idea in theory but it never happened because of distaste from Boer hardliners. If it was nonwhite, they wouldn’t cooperate. They bet the house and lost.

    What’s going on now sucks but perhaps there are the seeds of such a front being formed now? I don’t know. I stopped paying attention to SA in 1994. My information is outdated.

  229. Philip says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes. Zulus are Nguni-speakers (as are Xhosas, Ndebele, Siswati, etc) – one major subgroup of the Bantu of southern Africa.

    • Replies: @anon
  230. @Bardon Kaldian

    Marx, who was technically a Christian & didn’t consider himself to be Jewish (au contraire).

    Marx was an atheist that called upon the workers to destroy religion.

    So no….not a Christian in any sense.

    The Jews recognize him as Jewish by blood…..but they probably don’t want him.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  231. Front page of today’s NY Times. “Unrest” in SA:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/07/16/nytfrontpage/scan.pdf

    Of note to readers here is the article about Boston Latin. Of note in that article is the compelled confession by a white graduette of the school. The little bitch confesses her privilege. She’s not Jewish, but I expect the eager beavers here will doxx her and find a Judaic great-grandfather in Italy.

  232. Very interesting.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  233. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “LOL. It’s who Euro-mutt mischlings are.”

    You ought to know, you’re one of them. Ashamed of your heritage?

  234. Corvinus says:
    @Boomthorkell

    “Indeed, and an objectively poor series of decisions it was that lead to that being the observable truth.”
    |
    You’re speaking in code again. Exactly what do you mean?

    “Thankfully, history is long, and mistakes may yet be undone or serve as lessons for others and the heroes who survive them, or even the quiet types.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  235. @anon

    Am I the only one who hates these stupid reaction-shot gifs? They’re proliferating at this site and it’s getting really annoying.

    • Agree: Dnought, al gore rhythms
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    , @Reg Cæsar
  236. Malla says:
    @Altai

    Indian/ South Asian thaggard mobs can be very scary. Yeah, Indians in general have a shitty military history and many Indians in the USA are nerds but Indian mobs are not to be trifled with. Can bitch slap any black mob of equal numbers.

    Well the Indians there deserve it, because of genetic “hate Whitey” and “hate West” mental disease, Indians worked towards destroying Apartheid only to be viciously targeted by blacks now. They idiots get what they deserve.

    With Apartheid, the economy would be much better, and every race would have been more well off and there would be security and peace. Humans are a stooopid species.

  237. Anonymous[823] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles

    No, it was the Nats. The DA (then the DP) came in third in the WC in 1994, with results in the single digits. Speaking of Helen, it’s kinda funny how she kept getting hounded as a white supremacist a few years ago.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  238. @AnotherDad

    But there isn’t much confusion about why Jews push minoritarianism. It’s a natural ideology of a middle man minority.

    Not sure what you are saying here about South Africa.

    Whites are the minority in SA by any standard and a non-Jewish White by the name of Frederik Willem de Klerk handed the country over to the Bantu without a vote. The Bantu majority are not native (Xhosa) and the smaller tribes in fact have historically suffered under Bantu rule. The native Bantu (Zulu) would have supported a White/Zulu state but de Klerk was an idiot and completely submitted to Western demands.

    Jews were disproportionately involved in anti-Apartheid movements and they were also disproportionately involved in selling weapons to the government and providing military training. If you look at older pictures of RSA military you will see Israeli guns.

    So I really don’t think you can put the current state of South Africa on the Jews when there were Jews on both sides.

    Israel was actually criticized heavily by the left for supporting the RSA.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  239. J.Ross says:
    @UNIT472

    … you mean no Bantu?

  240. @Corvinus

    Modern America is a flawed, dangerous and damaged nation due to past choices stretching back to the beginning, but exemplified by such moments as importing Africans, not resettling Africans, allowing widespread (meaning, unfiltered) European migration in the 19th-century from places lacking a Republican grounding, post 1965-immigration and worker visas, and a century and 30 years of Empire and needless invasion, conquest and intervention? Somalis aren’t here by magic or happenstance. Nor are the Dari.

    Investing in owning a Sea Empire and Financialization over North American unification and mixed Industrial and Financial development?

    According to existence? Depends on your side in the story. I’m thinking universally and my side, but I’m sure you’ve got your own.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Corvinus
  241. @Harry Baldwin

    It’s designed to be annoying, unfortunately.

  242. @Jack D

    Rots of ruck to them. The Chinese have never done colonialism on non-adjacent countries before (there was always a large Chinese diaspora but they were merchants, not rulers), preferring a “tribute state” relationship where local rulers remained on the throne, but as Chinese allies. White people tried to colonize Africa but in the end they were overwhelmed because Africans are better suited to living in Africa than white people are.

    Putting this all together, the Chinese will send people as factory managers, merchants and farmers (they already are) but not as rulers. The local government will be run by corrupt locals in the pay of the Chinese.

    They’ve had all they could handle just warring on the neighbors:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Great_Campaigns

    [MORE]

    Logistical issues were paramount back then and these campaigns were horrendously expensive because of the cost of transport. Today, it’s literally cheaper to ship a container from Shanghai to NY than it is from Long Beach to New York.

    Chinese commanders also had a tendency to strike out on their own. Vietnam’s founder may or may not have been a renegade Chinese general, depending on who you talk to:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Tuo

    Another general, entrusted with large military forces, decided he should be emperor, almost toppling the dynasty that elevated him to his nominal post:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan

    Command and control issues aside, a Chinese expansion into Africa would be logical just as the European move against out-of-area and militarily less advanced societies made a lot of sense. Neighboring European countries were hard nuts to crack and any conflict that started out purely local could evolve into multi-decade charnel houses. Ditto with China’s neighbors today.

    During the colonial period, Europeans *generally* avoided genocide or large-scale expulsions against balky subjects the way the Russians and Chinese have:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

    The one thing these genocides have in common is that the subjects targeted *never* rose against their foreign rulers again.

    Assad, as a member of the 10% Alawite minority in Syria, has been engaged in expelling a good chunk of the Sunni population on the sly. Are the Chinese likely to do something similar in their African adventures? If they can get away with it. The question, as always, is “who’s going to stop them”?

  243. @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s not impossible at all – they’re already doing experiments on animals.

    This is real life vivisectionist level shit and people can’t bear to look while anyone who asks even a question gets canceled and the ABA is subjected to a (successful!) terror campaign for carrying a book which does so.

    https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/bookselling/article/86883-booksellers-denounce-aba-promotion-of-anti-trans-book.html

    • Replies: @El Dato
  244. El Dato says:
    @Desiderius

    Proclaiming the contrary to what you are standing for before the Trans-Gerichtshof.

    Anyone still on the ABA board at this point should delete all his accounts, sell his house, then retire to a lonely hut in Afghanistan to reflect on his/her life.

    Transes are just assholes with glued-on pieces and Twitter accounts. Why anyone even takes them seriously will stay a mystery forever. I must consult my Imam about that.

  245. @Anon

    I told my father about what was happening in South Africa the other day and he hadn’t even heard about it from his usual liberal news channels. There’s been a total blackout on the left about it.

    Yesterday’s online Daily Mail had not one article or video about South Africa’s mostly peaceful carnage. Nothing.

    It appears that the British establishment/deep state fears the natives (where they still exist) getting restless.

    • Replies: @David
  246. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michelle

    Yes, nobody stops for the lights in the big Brazilian cities either. You are most in danger of robbery when entering the car, exiting it, or when stopped at lights.

  247. Alfa158 says:
    @Anonymous

    They wait for the light to change and traffic to move. Who’s going to stop them?

  248. David says:
    @Etruscan Film Star

    I see the same thing. Very strange for the Daily Mail not to be covering it. CNN did a segment on the riots in SA yesterday. Ian Bremmer (not the Iraq guy) said it was SA’s January 6 moment, and that the riots and looting had given the ANC the mandate to impose order, to become a governing party, not just a revolutionary party. So it seems the media is starting to concoct their narrative. The parallel with the US isn’t going to be intractable race relations, but the government’s duty to obliterate its opponents.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  249. @Boomthorkell

    allowing widespread (meaning, unfiltered) European migration in the 19th-century from places lacking a Republican grounding

    I don’t think that was a problem at all. Germany wasn’t a Republic in the 19th century and provided some of our better immigrants.

    I think a bigger mistake was taking in so many Swedes and Norwegians.

    But I suppose no one could foresee how left-wing they would get.

    The cities they built (Portland, Seattle, Minnesota) all became liberal hives where submissive men are the norm. I think they are too emotionally vulnerable to globalism and egalitarianism. There was a lot of controversy over bringing in Italians but they didn’t build liberal cities or push to import Somalis.

    Everyone here seems to blame globalism on the Jews but Minnesota is filled to the brim with Norwegians that are certain that race doesn’t exist and that their new Somali neighbors just need (latest egalitarian theory).

    • Agree: Dnought
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Curle
    , @Boomthorkell
  250. Altai says:
    @Paperback Writer

    I wouldn’t say they’re all that tough, just filled with contempt. They are armed, organised and on home turf and most of the guys they are taking down are very young and skinny. And, most crucially, they are fighting for the most part thieves and looters who will mostly flee if there is any resistance since the point of looting and thieving is to get something for nothing.

    There aren’t fighting armed black militias coming for them… yet.

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Paperback Writer
  251. @The Last Real Calvinist

    There are rare cases of XY men with interior testes and an exterior female appearance. Not all physical development is perfect. You’d need a god to make that happen.

    Their male testosterone levels mean that they become more muscular than women. As they look like women, it’s natural for them to think they’re one. It’d be hard for anybody to accept such a harsh reality, particularly if they don’t know or trust the science. It’d be even harder in societies where homosexuals are despised if they’re not virgins.

    I don’t know if there are any true human hermaphrodites. If there are, they must be even rarer.

    These are sad cases not examples of deliberate cheating.
    [email protected]

  252. Altai says:
    @Altai

    I mean, in this clip they’re chasing a slightly built, young black guy in a car with a guy hanging out the window with a carbine shooting at him as he runs away. I’m reminded of the South Park episode where Stan’s uncle Jimbo is hunting deer with a rocket launcher as he screams ‘It’s coming right for us!’.

    I don’t think tough is the word I’d use for this. But it is an expression of contempt and hatred.

    • Replies: @Stan
  253. @Whiskey

    Working class Whites won’t join woke force one and are already leaving in droves. . How well the new diverse military does? well that will be interesting.

  254. @Altai

    Don’t be such a pettifogging nitpicker. I was responding to you comment about “all talk.” You say they are armed and organized. That’s bloody well enough. This is not just TALK.

    And yes, I agree that the resistance to the looting isn’t top rank. Too much arguing with the looters. Too much giving into their whining about being profiled (I’m referring to the videos about blacks in cars being stopped by armed Indians guarding the perimeters of their neighborhoods. Do you think an armed Boer would stoop to arguing with one of them??

  255. El Dato says:
    @Paperback Writer

    What does that mean? An Israel-style hit on Zulu critical infrastructure?

  256. El Dato says:
    @David

    The suffering of the talking heads on CNN is intense as they pine for the new SA leader who can really “clean house”.

    Hold on, according to CNN Kyle is now a Good Guy?

    • Replies: @vhrm
  257. Stan says:
    @Altai

    What are Zulu looters expressing when they loot and burn businesses owned by Indians? It is easy for you sitting in the US to pass judgment on events you know nothing about in South Africa.

  258. @usNthem

    Rorke’s Drift (1/23/1879) was a side-action. British forces regrouped and crushed Zulu military power at the battle of Ulundi (7/4/1879).

  259. Raches says:
    @John Johnson

    My comment was inspired by my recent reading of some materials from 1983. White South Africans could not have voted “Yes” on the constitutional question unless feeble-minded or insane, given the example of Rhodesia before their eyes.

    White South Africans were never given a vote on whether Bantu (Xhosa) should be handed the country.

    That was by executive rule.

    I was referring to the 1983 constitutional referendum. The material that I was recently reading included some private correspondence from that time between an American (now long deceased) and some South Africans. All of them had, no doubt, what would be considered the “extreme” views (i.e., sane views) on the racial question; all of them were also highly educated and well-informed, intellectual racists par excellence (and I doubt any of them would have objected to that term!). In communicating with each other, they were quite candid. I consider this to be a source of “ground truth”, revealing aspects of the situation that would not be covered by the archives of mainstream media from that time, much less in the history books.

    The South Africans were morally certain that if the new constitution were enacted, that would be the beginning of the end: It would start them on a path leading ineluctably to the end of Apartheid and, accordingly, to black rule. Of course, “liberals” would call that a slippery slope argument. All too often, the slippery slope argument is not a fallacy—especially not when the “liberals” are engaged in a strategy of gradual subversion!

    When the new constitution passed, these South Africans were at the point of despair. This was in 1983, not in 1986–1988 or 1990–1994. They were prescient. One of the correspondents was already seeking a white country to which to flee. A native son of the South African soil, he had little money and nowhere to go; he wanted to plan ahead and get his family out before the country was handed over to the blacks, as he already saw to be inevitable. Surely, he did not want to wait and enjoy same pleasure as experienced by whilom Rhodesians in Zimbabwe.

    I do think that after November of 1983, the cause of White South Africa was politically analogous to the military position of the Germans after they lost Stalingrad: Absent superweapons or a miracle, total loss was almost inevitably but a matter of time. Incidentally, I think that America passed the same point in 1965—or perhaps, Western civilization as a whole did in 1945.

    White South Africans were willing to deal with the embargos even though their only ally at the time was Israel.

    Certainly, a subset were so willing. But the majority? I doubt it.

    It is a common trap for men of strong principles to overestimate how many others are like-minded, or even sympathetic. Furthermore, as we observe the bloodbath in 2021, it is easy for us to idealize the hapless South Africans of the 1980s and 90s. The avoidance of such ideological traps is one of the reasons why I seek “ground truth”—which, in this case, gives me a view that perhaps may be too pessimistic as to the character of the majority of white South Africans.

    The only means that I have to quantify South African sanity (or the lack thereof) is the official polls. In 1983, 66% of whites voted to alter radically their parliament so as to admit the first nonwhite representation. In 1992, in a whites-only vote, 68% endorsed de Klerk’s policy of “negotiating” South African suicide. And whose votes kept these governments in power, anyway? So much for your theory that the abject surrender to the Bantus was imposed by executive fiat over white majority opposition!

    Scratch what I said about being “too pessimistic”—substitute realistic. My sympathy goes, and goes only to the unquantifiable minority of whites who not only consistently voted for sanity, but also were willing to undertake whatever short-term sacrifices may have been necessary to secure the long-term survival of their posterity.

    As for Israel, that diplomatic connection is an enigma that I have not untangled. The reason could be subtle—or it could be as simple as the unashamed racism of many right-wing Israelis. “The Jews” are not a monolithic organization, as assumed by many people who have evidently never interacted with actual Jews. My own ground truth: I have had some candid discussions with right-wing Israelis on the subject of the blacks; that was a refreshing experience, until I realized that they would happily use our shared opinions against me, if they were to detect that I failed to venerate God’s Master Race. In a similar vein, I observe that our host at this site seems none too fond of the blacks, although he is closer to the “liberal” Jewish line on other racial issues—and he seems anti-Zionist; I have no doubt that he believes that this site as a whole, including in some parts its open discussion of Jews, is somehow beneficial to the long-term interests of the Jewish people. That is not a criticism: I would no more expect a Jew willfully to harm Jewish interests than I would hope for whites to harm white interests, and the contrast that I have emphasized is to the credit of the Jews.

    Funny enough some key anti-Apartheid leaders were Jewish.

    Funnily enough, one of those letters from South Africa opined that it had been an enormous mistake to allow television, which was banned by law until the mid-1970s. This came amidst an eloquent monologue on how the mass media pushed the egalitarian agenda. The ethnicity that dominated major media organizations was mentioned in passing, as if an incontrovertible fact too well-known to require elaboration. Some things never change.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @JoeFour
  260. Raches says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Jews, although at some level inbred (their characteristic genetic diseases) are Caucasians or, if you wish, Mediterranean white types.

    Jews are a racial amalgam. Even the whitest-looking Jews have significant Asiatic and negroid components. (Incidentally, this was confirmed in the scientific investigations that debunked the Khazar theory of Jewish origins.)

    We judge people by how they behave, what their actions & reactions (especially re. sensitive issues) reveal, what we know about their motivations & inner life. So instead of being dogmatic, let’s go primarily with the empiry.

    We do not deign to answer arguments directed at strawmen. Let’s go back and reread what I said already.

  261. Raches says:
    @Paperback Writer

    What is the notion that a man’s nature can be changed by shamanistic rituals and the sprinkling of magic water?

    Straight up, Christianity. You don’t like it, argue with a billion believers.

    Vox populi, vox Dei, yes?

    I think that nowadays, there are at least a billion anthropoids who fervently believe in the absolute equality of races (with blacks being tenfold as equal as whites, and Jews being exponentially more equal than anybody else). Of course, that is an idea that came to us from Christianity.

    If a billion so-called “people” believed that the Earth is flat, vox vulgi would make no difference to me. I would not argue with them: One does not argue with one’s inferiors.

    …brain dead anti-Semites hereabouts… crackpot… useless…

    Thus spake the advocate of a democratic epistemology: Truth found by dead weight of the number of believers. As aforesaid, at least a billion witlings believe as you do.

    I find thus nothing worthwhile to argue.

  262. El Dato says:

    There is some good stuff in that thread. ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

    But I still don’t understand why the blacks are apparently autobombing their infrastructure. 😚😚 Oh well. Learn that modern population density demands a LOT of support stuff.

  263. Djkjcgjj says:

    The Guptas were simply feeding the crocs, hoping that they wouldn’t notice Indian capital until they hightailed it back home. It worked for them; too bad for the other Indians left behind in RSA during the riots, and too bad for any whites their propaganda may have put in harms way. I’m sure Bell Pottinger got paid well, converting Indian capital into white capital (or probably “fellow white” capital).

  264. vhrm says:
    @El Dato

    IDK if it’s “according to CNN”, but certainly that contributor is a cheerleader for Cyril Ramaphosa to the point it makes me wonder if he’s a paid spokesperson.

    Although his enthusiastic statements could be also interpreted as saying that Ramaphosa used Covid as an excuse to implement policies to oust his political opponents. Whether that’s a slip or a boast … it’s not clear.

    (https://theconversation.com/lockdown-didnt-work-in-south-africa-why-it-shouldnt-happen-again-147682)

  265. Djkjcgjj says:
    @anon

    I assume you think they were indigenous to RSA. Khoisan are indigenous, but Africa is very genetically and culturally diverse. Bantus mostly immigrated from surrounding areas after whites turned South Africa into a land of plenty. That change also brought Indians.

    • Replies: @anon
  266. Djkjcgjj says:
    @Desiderius

    Does that number include floyd?

  267. @Harry Baldwin

    Am I the only one who hates these stupid reaction-shot gifs? They’re proliferating at this site and it’s getting really annoying.

    They’re what you say when you have nothing to say. Nor have a name to attach.

    Someone clearly has no idea of the history of the Cape.

    • Agree: Dnought
    • Replies: @anon
  268. @Raches

    As for Israel, that diplomatic connection is an enigma that I have not untangled. The reason could be subtle—or it could be as simple as the unashamed racism of many right-wing Israelis.

    Jeffrey Hart wrote a column at the time labeling South Africa, Israel, and then-imperial Iran as “pariah states” who would naturally seek one another’s aid as the world turned against them. Of course, one of them dropped our of the trio shortly thereafter. Then a second.

    My sympathy goes, and goes only to the unquantifiable minority of whites who not only consistently voted for sanity…

    Sanity? When was accelerated grand apartheid ever a campaign issue? Petit apartheid, like its sister Jim Crow in America, was just a slower form of suicide. Separate the races for real, and for good.

    …but also were willing to undertake whatever short-term sacrifices may have been necessary to secure the long-term survival of their posterity.

    Like making their own beds in the morning? Brewing their own tea? Cheap maids are addicting, but ultimately fatal. They have wombs.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  269. anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    They’re what you say when you have nothing to say

    Unintentional irony is the best irony.

    Someone clearly has no idea of the history of the Cape.

    Yes. But you could learn some, if you wanted to. Try the book offered previously.

  270. JoeFour says:
    @Raches

    Raches, I think you would find the archived blog of Mike Smith, an outspoken white South African, of interest.

    http://archive.is/FkLCx

    • Replies: @Raches
  271. Raches says:

    Addressing South Africa first:

    Sanity? When was accelerated grand apartheid ever a campaign issue? Petit apartheid, like its sister Jim Crow in America, was just a slower form of suicide. Separate the races for real, and for good.

    I agree in principle; but of course, petit Apartheid was less-bad than no Apartheid at all. Or would you argue on the same grounds that American Southerners should not have opposed desegregation? I spoke of the political options that were on the table and up for a vote in 1983. There were two options on the ballot; one was sane, one was not.

    Cheap maids are addicting, but ultimately fatal. They have wombs.

    Worse: Black nannies to raise white children. In my opinion, it is child abuse.

    At the risk of folly in leaning on documents that I cannot properly cite: One of those South African letters that I mentioned included a multi-page essay which identified white children’s emotional bonding to their quasi-maternal black nannies as a significant factor in the rapid intergenerational decline of white racial consciousness. His American interlocutor, a proud Southerner, replied that this had likewise had an ill effect on the American South.

    Both generally praised Dr. Verwoerd, that architect of a process toward long-term racial separation, and agreed that his murder in 1966 had been the start of South African decline. But as I said, these were “extremists”, whose opinions were probably shared by no more than a few percent of the South African population of 1983, if that, and by a much lesser proportion of the contemporary American population.

    Jeffrey Hart wrote a column at the time labeling South Africa, Israel, and then-imperial Iran as “pariah states” who would naturally seek one another’s aid as the world turned against them.

    Thanks for the reference. I should find the article. But I do not think that Israel was ever truly a “pariah state”. It has enjoyed more or less consistent American support since the Truman era—with the exception only of a few politicians who stepped out of line, to their own detriment—and that is what matters.

    [MORE]

    With a superpower on a leash, how could they be “pariahs”? Because some powerless little countries had their representatives make anti-Zionist speeches and resolutions in the dog-and-pony show of the “United Nations”? Or because the Soviet Union made a show of being “anti-Zionist”—so that it could sell obsolete weapons to the Arabs for cash, while the American tax-paying beasts of burden paid to give the Israelis the most modern weapons as a gift?

    Israeli leaders could laugh behind their hands at all of that, whilst using the public image of “international pariah” status to help enforce cohesion amongst the wildly factious Israeli public. As always, Jews need persecution or the illusion thereof: It prevents a Jewish civil war. I do not exaggerate. If you ever want to see some astoundingly vicious political fights, spend a few years reading a selection of Israeli newspapers at various points on their domestic political spectrum. I think that some major antagonists, such as the antireligious centrists and the religious parties, truly hate each other. The only effective bonds that unite the majority of Israelis are the “Shoah”, antipathy for the Palestinians (whom they perceive as an existential threat to themselves!), and stories about “antisemitism” from around the world; and even these issues do not gain unanimous agreement, but only the convergent passions of a supermajority.

    In our puzzlement over the South Africa question, I think that a deeper issue is that Jews collectively have no ideology. Of course, many individual Jews are ideologues—zealots, even! But the most powerful Jewish factions always form and reform themselves on the basis of pure pragmatism.

    For example, observe how neatly a large segment of American Jewry pivoted from Socialism and even overt Communism straight to “neoconservatism”—a thoroughly Jewish political movement which is primarily opposed by other Jews! (It would be here unproductive to remark that Jews have been stereotyped as both Capitalists and Communists since the Nineteenth Century, given that those ideologies actually converge.)

    By comparison, is there any incongruity in the Israeli relationship with South Africa at a time when numerous Jews, in South Africa and worldwide, were agitating against Apartheid and thus, for the economic sanctions that left South Africa needing Israel more than vice versa? Of course, I do not suggest that anti-Apartheid Jews aspired to this purpose; but the scenario was convenient for the Israelis, and opportunities always favor those who are willing to take them.

  272. Malla says:
    @Altai

    Violence in South-Africa and Protests in Cuba – Abhijit Iyer-Mitra on Urban Chatterati
    Check out this video by Abhishek Mitra Iyer (AIM), a Indian Nationalist on Cuba and South Africa. He rips apart Cuban Communism. As far as South Africa, where he had traveled there in the past with his parents. He claims, Indians hate blacks more than even the Boers. Indeed according to his experience, his mother spoke with many Afrikaners there, she was a major Indian Govt official, the Boers were actually not that racist towards blacks, Indians surely were.
    He speaks about demonisation of Indians in RSA from 11:59 minutes
    At 12:20 minutes in the above video AIM says: “That said, when I first went to South Africa, a year before Nelson mandela was made president. I went with my mum and I remember the kind of racist things that Indian South Africans would say. I never heard a White man talk like that. I spoke to a lot of Boers, well my mom spoke to a lot of Boers. But, they never spoke in terms of black people the way Indians would.”
    I think this is because Indians/ South Asians in general are not naturally politically correct and they bluntly say things as they sees it. Politically correct speech is considered pussyboy behaviour. Indian masses are macho and thaggard and say things as it is. “They look like apes’, “this dish tastes shit’, “that music is rubbish”. Not very diplomatic, say what in the mind. But at the same time can be very cunning, sweet and diplomatic when needed to gain something or when it comes to running complicated conspiracies. But in general South Asians are very blunt with their comments and say what they see. Even the Boers being White would be comparatively more diplomatic and feel bad to take to that level. South Asian masses consider that leftist libtard behaviour pussyboy behavour. Western educated elite Indians can be very politically correct, they get toilet trained by Western Civilization unlike the macho thaggard masses.
    Actually same with blacks in the USA, they like South Asian masses cannot stand others criticizing them but they love to criticize others openly and viciously. LOL

  273. Raches says:
    @JoeFour

    Thanks for the link to an archive of the last posts in Mike Smith’s Blogspot blog which has, of course, disappeared. It is an informative read. I think this quote sums it up, from the final entry on 19 June 2017:

    But it was about to get worse, because in the 1992 referendum and the following 1994 general election, the liberal two thirds of the whites of South Africa committed political hara-kiri by believing they did something good for the country.

    They did not realize at the time that they actually took the other third and everyone’s children and future descendents along with them into the abyss of evil.

    […long discussion…]

    How the ANC is preparing our genocide

    Although the whites effectively handed over all military weapons and affairs to the ANC in 1994, the ANC has continuously seeked the further disarmament of white South Africans through draconian firearm laws.

    […]

    In seven years from 2004 to 2011 the SA Police have “lost” 20,429 firearms

    At a rate of about 3000 weapons missing per year , this means that in the 23 years since ANC rule, the South African police alone have put 70,000 weapons in the hands of criminals waging a criminal insurgency on white South Africans.

    Then we are not even talking about the missing weapons from military bases.

    Whites disarmed, blacks armed: What impact does this have on these so-called “riots”?

    Riots? Too big, too well-directed against strategic economic targets that efficient guerrillas would select, so well-timed in the international context of black “rioting”, and all in a country dominated by groups that have spent a half-century yearning and preparing to exterminate South African whites. Is stopping them in the interest of anyone sufficiently powerful to do so?

    An eventual repeat of Haiti in 1804 seems not out of the question.

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  274. El Dato says:
    @Raches

    2021-05-22: Self defence will not be a valid reason to own a gun in SA under a newly-revived draft law

    Very European.

    – South Africans will not be able to apply for a gun licence on the basis that they need a firearm for self-defence, under a legislative proposal formally revived on Friday.
    – The Civilian Secretariat for Police Service on Friday opened public comment on a 2021 version of the long-dormant draft Firearms Control Amendment Bill.
    – The secretariat says the planned legislation will demand a valid reason when applying for a firearm licence – and self defence doesn’t count.
    – Gun owners, and prospective gun owners, have 44 days left to comment on the proposal.

    Will leftists’ Reichskristallnacht memes die now?

  275. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Raches

    I think this quote sums it up, from the final entry on 19 June 2017:

    I think it was a South African commenter here that said that by that point the average Afrikaner just wanted to grill and watch their team play international rugby again. How bad could things really get? I think that about sums it up. Television was definitely a huge part of that relaxation of attitudes. But the whole thing was a mess and doomed all along. A volkstaat was the only possible solution, but people just didn’t support it until it was way too late. Of course, even if they had decided on that option in time, outside pressure and generations being raised largely shielded from the realities of the rest of Africa could have easily led to disaster anyway.

    English South Africans were, of course, mostly liberal. Though, interestingly, they were split on the question of integrating schools. Guess a lot of them wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

  276. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    This was the result of the ‘mutiny’, which gave the Brits a bad scare. After that they were very careful not to disrespect the native princes.

    • Replies: @Malla
  277. Anonymous[472] • Disclaimer says:
    @Raches

    An eventual repeat of Haiti in 1804 seems not out of the question.

    Eventual, sure. Definitely not this time around, though. SA is not there yet. Anyone who plans on staying any longer is definitely playing with fire, but even if the worst happens and the fallout from these riots leads to more conflict and home invasion, I definitely don’t see it turning to genocide. Maybe a brutal massacre here and there, but that’s sadly nothing unusual in South Africa (even if it’s much more common in rural areas).

    It’s hard to believe things won’t go that way eventually, but I think that’s years in the future. Maybe a couple of decades. Depending on how things go with expropriation without compensation (which could go much further than just farms), and how the ANC and the EFF do in the next few elections.

  278. @John Johnson

    That is the mistake that the Boers made. They should have turned the Zulu against the Xhosa instead of letting Western liberals depict the situation as Black vs White.

    But the Zulu were already “against” the Xhosa. How could the Boers have operationalized this?

    My SA friends lament to me that they should have formed an alliance w/Coloureds and Asians, but the extremist Boers in their own camp wouldn’t hear of it.

    Weird but true fact is that Trevor Noah was almost killed in a Zulu/Xhosa tribal episode.

    Do tell. I’ll look for this on the internet but I’m interested to hear your take.

    BTW Noah has said NOTHING about the Zuma riots. While normally it would take him 5 seconds to cry in front of the camera when an American black who resists arrest gets shot. Charlize Theron has at least said something. Yeah, it’s sappy let’s love one another pablum, but at least she talked.

    Noah: crickets.

  279. @J.Ross

    One can only hope.

    I suspect, though, that it may not matter much – even if massive fraud is proven in the minds of 100 million reasonably intelligent Americans, the Deep State and its media arm will prevent any real discussion.

    How close are we to civil war in this country?

    I don’t know.

  280. BB753 says:

    Here’s a sober account of the events from an American expat.

  281. @Reg Cæsar

    Some people seem to think tha by using an archaic form of English, they have made the translated text more powerful. Believe on me etc etc. I may have made sense in the times of King Jamers but not now.

    Shakespeare’s language is archaic, but that gives it meaning. It was modern for it’s time and by studying that we gain insight. It makes zero sense to me to use an archaic translation of an ancient text hen a modern translation gives more information. If I wanted to learn about the point in history when the Hindu text was translated, I would study that time in history. If I wanted to learn more about the ancient Hindu text, I would want a modern translation.

    When I use “I am become …” I am referencing and parodying Oppenheimer’s inscription, not the original Hindi.

    I am become exasperated at pretense.

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  282. Corvinus says:
    @Boomthorkell

    “Modern America is a flawed, dangerous and damaged nation due to past choices stretching back to the beginning…”

    Basically, your opinion.

    “but exemplified by such moments as importing Africans, not resettling Africans”

    Well, cash crops, especially cotton, assuredly was a driving force, a symbiotic relationship that bound North and South. Why couldn’t they have picked their own damn cotton?

    https://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-economics-of-the-civil-war

    No one seriously doubts that the enormous economic stake the South had in its slave labor force was a major factor in the sectional disputes that erupted in the middle of the nineteenth century. Figure 1 plots the total value of all slaves in the United States from 1805 to 1860. In 1805 there were just over one million slaves worth about $300 million; fifty-five years later there were four million slaves worth close to $3 billion. In the 11 states that eventually formed the Confederacy, four out of ten people were slaves in 1860, and these people accounted for more than half the agricultural labor in those states. In the cotton regions the importance of slave labor was even greater. The value of capital invested in slaves roughly equaled the total value of all farmland and farm buildings in the South. Though the value of slaves fluctuated from year to year, there was no prolonged period during which the value of the slaves owned in the United States did not increase markedly. Looking at Figure 1, it is hardly surprising that Southern slaveowners in 1860 were optimistic about the economic future of their region. They were, after all, in the midst of an unparalleled rise in the value of their slave assets.

    The income generated by this “export sector” was a major impetus for growth not only in the South, but in the rest of the economy as well. Douglass North, in his pioneering study of the antebellum U.S. economy, examined the flows of trade within the United States to demonstrate how all regions benefited from the South’s concentration on cotton production (North 1961). Northern merchants gained from Southern demands for shipping cotton to markets abroad, and from the demand by Southerners for Northern and imported consumption goods. The low price of raw cotton produced by slave labor in the American South enabled textile manufacturers — both in the United States and in Britain — to expand production and provide benefits to consumers through a declining cost of textile products. As manufacturing of all kinds expanded at home and abroad, the need for food in cities created markets for foodstuffs that could be produced in the areas north of the Ohio River. And the primary force at work was the economic stimulus from the export of Southern Cotton. When James Hammond exclaimed in 1859 that “Cotton is King!” no one rose to dispute the point.

    “allowing widespread (meaning, unfiltered) European migration in the 19th-century from places lacking a Republican grounding”

    How anti-white of you to say. But didn’t your own ancestors from such places come here (provided you are an American), and you are the beneficiary of their decision? Moreover, the “unwashed masses”, whether it be Poles, Slavs, and Italians, who arrived undoubtedly assisted in building up our nation, in particular from an economic standpoint, and were quite capable of understanding and implementing the principles of our Republic.

    “post 1965-immigration and worker visas”

    Isn’t capitalism grand!

    “and a century and 30 years of Empire and needless invasion, conquest and intervention?”

    I certainly echo your sentiment, but context matters. Would say American involvement in both World Wars be part of the equation here?

    “Somalis aren’t here by magic or happenstance. Nor are the Dari.”

    Well, from the Anglo-Saxon perspective, neither were non-Anglo-Saxons.

    https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/cartoon-from-magazine-depicting-the-last-yankee-a-result-of-news-photo/615293686

    “Investing in owning a Sea Empire and Financialization over North American unification and mixed Industrial and Financial development?”

    I am genuinely curious as to what is your philosophical argument here.

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  283. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:

    How long has it been since South Africa gave us the heart trasplant?

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  284. Corvinus says:
    @John Johnson

    “I don’t think that was a problem at all. Germany wasn’t a Republic in the 19th century and provided some of our better immigrants.”

    So when you say “better”, what metrics are you employing here? Take note that Benjamin Franklin had argued, “Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion.”

    “I think a bigger mistake was taking in so many Swedes and Norwegians”.

    Why? Were they not white, and thus more desirable?

    “But I suppose no one could foresee how left-wing they would get.”

    Socialism does have that nasty streak in it!

    “The cities they built (Portland, Seattle, Minnesota) all became liberal hives where submissive men are the norm.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    “There was a lot of controversy over bringing in Italians but they didn’t build liberal cities or push to import Somalis.”

    No, they just built up massive criminal enterprises.

    “Everyone here seems to blame globalism on the Jews…”

    Why shouldn’t we? I mean, including Swedes and Norwegians only dilutes the role of Jews in why we can’t have nice things.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  285. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    That is only partly true. The Brits did not care about the Princely states much as they were eventually not a military threat to British Raj. Biggest fear was always some other European power colluding with the native princes against the British. Indeed that is what most of British conquest of India after Bengal.
    What stopped after the mutiny was the doctrine of lapse , itwas scrapped. But the doctrine of lapse was used against only a small number of Kingdom by Lord Dalhousie, who was the one to push for modernisation of India including telegraph networks and railways. All these pesky backward princely states stood in the way. Many of these princely states were created by the British in the first place as frontier kingdoms in the past.
    However in many cases like Mysore, the British returned Mysore to the Hindu Woodiyar royal family after defeating Tipu Sultan. They could have kept it as part of British Indian proper easily but they returned it to the Woodiyars.

  286. Anonymous[864] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jeffrey Hart wrote a column at the time labeling South Africa, Israel, and then-imperial Iran as “pariah states” who would naturally seek one another’s aid as the world turned against them.

    Pinochet’s Chile too. Very friendly with Israel, to the consternation of liberal Jews.

  287. Curle says:
    @John Johnson

    “ The cities they built (Portland, Seattle, Minnesota) all became liberal hives where submissive men are the norm.”

    Can’t speak for MN, but I’ve never had the impression that Germans and Nordics ever exceeded migrating Eastern old stock as an percent of the NW population. The norm in Seattle now appears to be anywhere but the NW.

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  288. anon[591] • Disclaimer says:
    @Djkjcgjj

    I assume you think they were indigenous to RSA.

    When was the Republic of South Africa founded?

    When and where (and what) was the Mfecane?

    When and where and what was Blood River?

    Khoisan are indigenous, but Africa is very genetically and culturally diverse.

    smh

    Dude, who invited the Khoisan into South Africa?

    For that matter, who invited the Sioux into the United States?

    lol

  289. @John Johnson

    Ha ha, that is true actually. The Germans were pretty alright, but the point was by then, especially in the later 1800s, taking in such large groups of basically…laborers, was a recipe for the issues we faced, such as a vastly empowered political and economic elite. Yes, the Nords were a problem, and I like them! Same with the Italians, but this is more about political voting bloc abuse in the 19th-century and such. A few are fine! Tens of thousands spells an issue. Fine in empires, though. They usually have the bureaucratic and political structure that can handle large, multicultural ethnic populations without falling fit to the issues of “what happens if this under educated/mass educated people vote?”

    Ha ha, yeah. Globalism in America existed before Jews had a deciding say in the manner. Anglo-America may certainly have empowered them, but these were trends happening throughout the world…most exemplified by our own elites choices.

  290. @Corvinus

    It turns out, to almost no one’s surprise here, just basing a polity on skin color is a silly choice. There are, indeed, other factors.

    This is why no country should import tens of millions of random Europeans or (white) Americans, or Chinese or Japanese, just to (hopefully) improve their smart fractions, etc.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  291. @Curle

    Eh, I’m around here and we’re pretty heavily Anglo/NW Europe. Some Scandinavian too, obviously.

    Then again, I’m not actually sure what the ethnic percentage here is of the Whites as far as European background goes. I ought to look it up.

    Seattle is pretty cosmopolitan, which makes sense being a port city. What makes less sense is the refugee, Title 50 (resettled CIA asset), asylee resettlement that happens alongside the otherwise understandable migrant laborer/elite worker/stupid-fucking-H1b Visa Cheap Laborer. Christ.

  292. Rob McX says:
    @Anonymous

    It now specialises in wealth transplants to blacks.

  293. @Corvinus

    You are correct, it is. My opinion is, by my accounts, right, which is why I hold it. There are those who disagree with this.

    It is amazing what corrupt and damaging paths people will take in the pursuit of wealth, when more sensible, humane, and socially reasonable policies would be better. In other words, use your “own people as peasants like a normal country. Pay accordingly.”

    Hmm, you’re under some mistaken notion that I am a white nationalist in the sense of “all white people are white, and that is all that matters.” That’s silly. People can be related, yet different. Cultural background is important, as are numbers and percentages. A french trader is fine. A million Englishmen is the death of the tribes. I sure am. Doesn’t make the consequences unrelated to me good. I’m pleased and have benefited from the success of my ancestors and unrelated ancestors in crushing the natives here, and previous conquests, etc. Doesn’t mean it was good for them. I’m not such a monster as to say there are no negative consequences to things, or argue for such fates upon others or my own people.

    Sure, but the consequences were worse. Slavery had it’s economic value, as you mentioned, but better for it to not be. Again, percentages. Some are fine. Hundreds of thousands are not. Different for the Russian Empire. It’s done now, but it doesn’t mean one can’t acknowledge where damage was done. As far as Republican knowledge, if you think most modern Americans are truly competent voting members of a Republic, you are mistaken. Mass education (in the worst sense) here was born from the 19th-century factory schools designed to school migrants.

    You have certainly named part of the issue.

    Again, it worked for my people, but not the natives. I don’t wish what happened to them upon my fellows, just as I don’t wish for 2 million Anglo Saxons to settle Somalia and Afghanistan. This ignores the damage done to foreign migrants as well, being colonial tools of our leaders.

    Michael Hudson writes books on this, but my only addition is that a unified North America, from Alaska to the Panama Canal, would be a a strong cultural and economic unit with immense resource, infrastructure, and development potential. Immigration would end, and even internal migration would largely cease as the factors encouraging Hispanic movement North would cease to be with equal federal and state corporate subsides (corn, the great Satan.) This means the greatest abuses of our corporations and economic “vassal structure” in regards to the Americas would end, allowing for general prosperity for the people over exorbitant profits for connected elites and outer party members. Overall, of course, there would be greater profits made long term, especially by such a healthy society. By “investing” in Empire, America has missed the chance to create a universally moderately prosperous society as the Chinese and Russians push to do. An economically united, fair, and populous series of states stretching the Americas would be as great a gift to the world as a united and prosperous Russia, China, South Asia, or Africa.

    Also, might as well make best friends with our neighbors, who are either already mixed in or about the same. Mexicans, Natives, and Quebecoise over Somalis and Hmong. Leave unifying others to their own super regions.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
  294. @James Speaks

    It makes zero sense to me to use an archaic translation of an ancient text hen a modern translation gives more information.

    George Sale’s antagonistic and Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall’s worshipful English translations of the Koran have been criticized for using “archaic” KJV language to add drama. I think it was the right choice. Such fire and brimstone lends an authenticity which dovetails with the perspective and behavior of its modern adherents.

    That in itself is “more information”.

  295. Pericles says:
    @John Johnson

    The Jews recognize him as Jewish by blood…..but they probably don’t want him.

    Well, there are on the other hand a few Jewish Marxists. Maybe they don’t mind.

  296. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    Speaking of Helen, it’s kinda funny how she kept getting hounded as a white supremacist a few years ago.

    (Drink in hand at night) “If you only knew …”

  297. Pericles says:
    @John Johnson

    When Israel was a global outcast, they were quite chummy with South Africa. I seem to recall they in the end inherited the SA nukes, for example. On the other hand, there was also Joe Slovo and suchlike.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  298. Corvinus says:
    @Boomthorkell

    “It turns out, to almost no one’s surprise here, just basing a polity on skin color is a silly choice.”

    I would argue that there are a number of posters here who would vehemently disagree, and have no problem labeling you a race traitor. We call them white nationalists.

    “There are, indeed, other factors.”

    Absolutely.

    “This is why no country should import tens of millions of random Europeans or (white) Americans, or Chinese or Japanese, just to (hopefully) improve their smart fractions, etc.”

    It’s called immigration policy, not importation of “random people”. I do agree that the U.S. ought to significantly curtail the number brought in. But whites and non-whites/Europeans and non-Europeans have demonstrated time and time again they are capable of immersing themselves into our body politic. Previous generations of immigrants tend to forget where they had been and how they got to where they are today.

    https://hti.osu.edu/opper/lesson-plans/immigration/images/looking-backward

    From your previous comments…

    “As far as Republican knowledge, if you think most modern Americans are truly competent voting members of a Republic, you are mistaken. Mass education (in the worst sense) here was born from the 19th-century factory schools designed to school migrants.”

    Depends upon what are the metrics deemed as being “truly competing voting members”. The recent problem though, I will admit, is that both sides are employing disinformation and misinformation campaigns based on the “Fake News” mantra, which is disemboweling critical thinking.

    “Sure, but the consequences were worse. Slavery had it’s economic value, as you mentioned, but better for it to not be. Again, percentages. Some are fine. Hundreds of thousands are not.”

    No, not “fine” for some people to be slaves at all. Not then, not today.

    “A few are fine! Tens of thousands spells an issue.”

    That’s exactly what one ethnic group who had established themselves in a nation says about other ethnic groups who are attempting to gain a foothold. In essence, it is an elitist perspective.

    “taking in such large groups of basically…laborers, was a recipe for the issues we faced, such as a vastly empowered political and economic elite.”

    I have never thought of immigration as a national menace. I believe the problem can best be met by scientific selection of the immigrant on the other side and the safe and sensible distribution here. We don’t appreciate the foreigner– that’s the trouble with us. We don’t see much difference between the immigrant of today and the early immigrants. You look upon the incoming foreigner as a common mechanic, as a laborer, an artisan. Yet he has risen to the positions of preacher, doctor, officer, and even member of the Cabinet.

    Frederick A. Wallis, Commissioner of Immigration, March 23, 1921

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  299. @Corvinus

    Maybe so, but that’s not my worry or issue.

    Ah, I meant immigration of Africans in general, not slavery.

    Our early immigration policy was largely “whoever makes it”, thus, random. Even early laws designed to restrict ethnic groups didn’t select for competency. Someone was paying for this unprofitable steamships.

    That would be a better way to have it handled. Again, all immigration is not bad, I understand my past. The question is a matter of scale and purpose. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants being settled is a population control mechanic designed to accomplish political and economic objectives of the elites in question. Taking in entire elite factions of loyal vassal states is the “intelligent colonization” version of this (Iranian Monarchists, Ilhan Omar’s connected Somali family, etc. Other Title 50 types). Worse yet, the damage done to other countries by draining their best and brightest. Sniping is fine when companies do it. It seem crueler when countries do it on the scale which we see. Mexicans and Mesoamericans being moved here in their millions is an economic tool designed to harm both peoples to the benefits of elites, and both would be better served by a unified entity where the very economic reasoning (cheaper, under the table labor) would not be extant.

    Allowing a few (not literally, but also not 10,000) qualified people every year, and marriage partners, is not equivalent to any of this. So, if you’re saying you want a sane immigration and asylee system in line with most countries of the world (not Western European ones, though they tend to be actually stricter in practice), then I wholeheartedly agree. If you’re saying the nearly unlimited immigration practiced by America, currently, is good, both historically, morally, and politically for all involved, I disagree, and so does Mexico and Korea (in practice).

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    , @Corvinus
  300. @Whiskey

    The Bantus will be allowed to rampage to their hearts content, as long as their victims are White Christians.

    But as soon as they dare raise a finger against (((White Monopoly Capital))), the “international community” will stage a “humanitarian intervention”.

  301. J.Ross says:
    @Pericles

    The best place from which to exploit a situation is from both sides.

  302. anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boomthorkell

    Our early immigration policy was largely “whoever makes it”, thus, random.

    Not exactly.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

  303. Revolver has a depressing article on South Africa as it tries to achieve black equity.

    Tl:dr: they are having trouble keeping the lights on

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/07/south-africa-riots-looting-critical-race-theory/

  304. Corvinus says:
    @Boomthorkell

    “Ah, I meant immigration of Africans in general, not slavery.”

    OK. But as I stated earlier, foreigners regardless of their race or ethnicity who emigrate to the U.S. have shown on the whole to comprehend and implement Republican principles.

    “Our early immigration policy was largely “whoever makes it”, thus, random.”

    Refer to Comment 318.

    “Even early laws designed to restrict ethnic groups didn’t select for competency”

    I understand, but it depends upon how one defines “competency”. There were quite a few immigrants who came to our shores who could read, write, and had trade skills.

    “Hundreds of thousands of immigrants being settled is a population control mechanic designed to accomplish political and economic objectives of the elites in question,”:

    Assuming the goals of those elites were predicated squarely on lining their pockets or gaining power in the halls of government. We also need to take into account those immigrants who wanted a better life for themselves and their family, and were willing to do what it took to make it a better there here. The engine for our economic rise in the late 1800’s was in large part due to immigrant labor. They wanted to work. They helped mightily in building our country.

    “Worse yet, the damage done to other countries by draining their best and brightest.”

    More recent immigration, assuredly. That is a fair point you make.

    “So, if you’re saying you want a sane immigration and asylee system in line with most countries of the world…”

    Assuming our immigration/asylee system is other than sane now. Certainly, it needs overhaul. But, remember, the United States is markedly different than the rest of the world in that its citizens are racial and ethnic mutts. It’s who we are.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  305. @Corvinus

    Assuming correctly, certainly it does, and about time for a change.

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