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There is hope that various quinine-like anti-malarial drugs such as chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, which is commonly prescribed in the U.S. for rheumatoid arthritis, happen to both help heal COVID-19 patients and make them less contagious.

Be aware that anti-malaria drugs can have some nasty side effects: cinchonism and quinism. The two drugs mentioned above are old, common drugs that millions of people have taken over the decades, so we know a lot about their downsides, so we’re not flying blind on these questions.

But now we’ve got to gear up to produce and deliver these in bulk.

The FDA needs to resolve issues like: if a COVID-19 test isn’t available, should a patient with symptoms be prescribed the drugs anyway?

As more people get infected, data miners may be able to find more such lucky interactions where people who are taking Pill X are less likely to be infected or to be hospitalized. It used to be that Kaiser-Permanente was unusual in having all this data readily online for its patients, but I presume databases on which medicines all a care provider’s patients are taking are now common.

From the New York Times:

With Minimal Evidence, Trump Asks F.D.A. to Study Malaria Drugs for Coronavirus
The president cites “tremendous promise” for existing drugs, but their use against the new virus is unproven.

By Denise Grady and Katie Thomas
March 19, 2020

President Trump on Thursday exaggerated the potential of drugs available to treat the new coronavirus, including an experimental antiviral treatment and decades-old malaria remedies that hint of promise but so far show limited evidence of healing the sick.

No drug has been approved to treat the new coronavirus, and doctors around the world have been desperately administering an array of medicines in search of something to help patients, especially those who are severely ill.

The malaria drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, are among the remedies that have been tried in several countries as the virus has spread around the world, killing at least 9,800.

Doctors in China, South Korea and France have reported that the treatments seem to help. But those efforts have not involved the kind of large, carefully controlled studies that would provide the global medical community the proof that these drugs work on a significant scale.

In a White House briefing Thursday, Mr. Trump said the anti-malaria drugs had shown “tremendous promise.”

“I think it’s going to be very exciting,” he said. “I think it could be a game changer, and maybe not.”

The drugs’ potential has been highlighted during broadcasts on one of Mr. Trump’s favorite news channels, Fox News, where hosts like Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson and Jeanine Pirro have trumpeted the possibility of a real treatment.

“They’ve gone through the approval process,” Mr. Trump said of the drugs. “It’s been approved, and they did.”

But the F.D.A. has not approved any drugs for use in the treatment of coronavirus, and the drugs were already available, to treat malaria as well as rheumatoid arthritis. To date, the F.D.A. has not added the coronavirus to the list of illnesses for which the drugs are specifically approved. Then again, doctors have been free to use both old malaria drugs for any purpose deemed appropriate.

At the briefing on Thursday, Dr. Stephen M. Hahn,

This Stephen Hahn was a Rice U. Class of 1980 classmate of mine, but I didn’t know him as well as the other Steve Hahn, class of 1978, who was the first captain of my College Bowl team.

who has been the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration for only three months, tended to walk back some of the president’s more inflated predictions that these drugs might vanquish the virus altogether.

He said Mr. Trump had asked the agency to look into chloroquine to fight the coronavirus, and that it was setting up a large clinical trial to evaluate the drug.

Some hospitals in the United States have already begun using the drugs for coronavirus patients, apparently reasoning that they may help and are unlikely to do harm. They are cheap and relatively safe. Laboratory studies have found that they prevent the coronavirus from invading cells, suggesting that the drugs could help prevent or limit the infection.

Not everyone can take the drugs: They are not safe for people who suffer from heart arrhythmia, or those with impaired kidneys or liver.

The University of Minnesota is conducting a study in which people who live with a coronavirus patient are being given hydroxychloroquine to find out if it can prevent the infection.

Maybe everyone in the country should take them to protect against getting infected?

Dr. Hahn also said that the agency was allowing sick patients to use remdesivir, the not-yet-approved antiviral drug made by Gilead. Such so-called “compassionate use” programs allow patients to take unapproved, experimental drugs if they have no other options.

As word has spread about chloroquine’s potential, demand in the United States has overwhelmed the country’s only supplier of the drug, the New Jersey generic manufacturer Rising Pharmaceuticals.

Chloroquine has been in short supply since March 9, according to the American Society of Health-System Pharmacists, which tracks drug shortages.

Ira Baeringer, chief operating officer of Rising Pharmaceuticals, said his company had been tracking the use of the drug in China and elsewhere. They increased production about three weeks ago, he said, and are meeting all of their orders. But he acknowledged that pharmacies may currently have low stocks.

“We are experiencing an extraordinary demand, as you can imagine, but we are shipping to all of the orders,” Mr. Baeringer said. He noted that the product had not yet been extensively tested for coronavirus so it was unclear how well it works. “We’re really trying to understand what the need is going to be.”

On Thursday, the German manufacturer Bayer said it had donated three million tablets of chloroquine to the U.S. government for potential use as a treatment for coronavirus.

Bayer does not sell its chloroquine product in the United States, but has said it is seeking approval from the F.D.A. for it to be used on an emergency basis. Chloroquine, sold under the brand name Resochin by Bayer, was discovered by the company in 1934. Bayer said in a statement Thursday that it “appears to have broad spectrum antiviral properties and effects on the body’s immune response.”

The company said it had been in recent talks with the White House and several federal agencies to offer assistance.

Mr. Trump has previously made unfounded predictions that the coronavirus epidemic would soon disappear. On Thursday, he appeared to enlist the malaria drugs in that effort, even though Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, said the virus could return in the fall or winter of next year.

“If they work, your numbers are going to come down very rapidly,” Mr. Trump said. “So, we’ll see what happens, but there’s a real chance that they might — they might work.”

Truer words were never spoken: “they might work.”

 
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  1. “It used to be that Kaiser-Permanente was unusual in having all this data readily online for its patients, but I presume databases on which medicines all a care provider’s patients are taking are now common.”

    I dunno man, It seems like the HIPAA privacy rules have made that kind of data much harder to get than in the past.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @El Dato
  2. Silly question: Does tonic water have any medicinal value, and might the quinine in a gin & tonic be at least beneficial enough to serve as an excuse to enjoy? Didn’t the British invent the drink for that purpose?

  3. Sure … I’m going to stick to G&Ts.

  4. Realist says:

    Oh, the irony. A German scientist, during the Nazi time period, discovered a possible cure for Covid-19…at least 86 years before Israel…who has been bragging that they will soon have a cure .

    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  5. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Sounds like the daughters of Dolores Umbridge writing for the Daily Prophet.

    The tone of contempt towards problem solving is beyond belief.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Kim
  6. @Realist

    It makes you wonder, if WWI and WWII had been avoided, and we’d had uninterrupted German science, how many cures would we have now?

    • Agree: Realist, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Jack D
  7. @Almost Missouri

    So we need legislation or emergency decrees allowing data mining for coronoavirus medicines, HIPAA be damned.

  8. vhrm says:

    They went out and got many paragraphs of content about these drugs and efforts to use them to help both covid-19 and quotes from a few people, and yet, they can’t help themselves but to frame the whole thing as an anti-Trump issue.

    Note also the fetishization of the FDA with solemn pronouncements that the FDA hasn’t approved any drugs for treating this disease, and that there haven’t been “carefully controlled” studies.
    You know, for a disease that the world first became aware of 3 months ago.

    This is especially smarmy because if this were an article about medical marijuana or abortion pills or some villain of the month food additive these same people would be complaining about how the FDA is slow, incompetent, politicized, shills for industry, etc.

    (note: This is not an endorsement of what Trump says or how he talks about any of this stuff. I’m just remarking on the signs of TDS in this article that could very easily have been just about the drugs and their potential or lack thereof, rather than about how Trump characterized them)

  9. No drug and no vaccine will likely keep alive for long gravely ill old people with one foot in the grave: their deaths will continue to make up the vast majority of those attributed to the Wuhan virus, whatever the measures taken to save them.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Jack D
    , @Dumbo
  10. El Dato says:
    @Almost Missouri

    The ONE time the corporate-governmental surveillance state would come in handy it is useless.

    “Gay Stasi”, I say.

    Meanwhile, news:

    Driving a terror-car into an empty airport (probably just students on spring break):

    Two arrested after botched ‘Islamist attack’ sees car driven into Barcelona airport

    The Mossos d’Esquadra, Barcelona’s police force, confirmed that two men attempted to storm the Terminal 1 bulking at the El Prat international airport at approximately 5am local time on Friday.

    The men made it as far as the food court of the airport, reportedly shouting Islamist slogans, before they were arrested.

    Technicians from Spain’s bomb squad Tedax were also deployed to investigate the vehicle which was found to not contain any explosive devices. No weapons or ammunition were discovered in the vehicle either.

    Finns don’t care about Muh Data:

    Finland scoffs at WHO’s coronavirus testing protocol, suggests organization doesn’t understand how pandemics work

    A senior Finnish health official has dismissed a World Health Organization (WHO) advisory to test as many people as possible for coronavirus, arguing that such a measure would be completely illogical when combating a pandemic.

    Finland’s head of health security, Mika Salminen, took aim at the notion that stopping the spread of Covid-19 requires testing on a mass-scale.

    “We don’t understand the WHO’s instructions for testing. We can’t fully remove the disease from the world anymore,” she said, adding: “If someone claims that, they don’t understand pandemics.”

    Inner-European free trade not so free:

    Germany seizes medical supplies headed to Switzerland as Europe scrounges for resources to fight coronavirus – report

    German customs has reportedly seized face masks and other supplies destined for Switzerland, as European states struggle against the coronavirus pandemic with their limited medical equipment.

    Authorities seized high-quality respiratory masks and other protective clothing for doctors and the general population during an inspection of a distribution center in Juechen, North Rhine-Westphalia, the Rheinische Post reported. US-based company 3M was reportedly planning on exporting the medical supplies to Switzerland.

    Releasing their inner demons, some fantasize about “bioweapons”, some about “the demise of capitalism” (while everywhere I look there is warfare-welfare socialism), and some about “the extinction”. Get your hooks in!

    For the green zealots, Covid-19 is our penance for sins against the planet

  11. Enochian says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    As mentioned a few posts back, today’s tonic water has far less quinine in it than it used to. I suspect the FDA limits the amount. If anyone can find out otherwise, that would of course be fascinating.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Anonymous
  12. Meanwhile, the NYT continues their regularly scheduled coverage of black hair:

    For Black and Mixed-Race Women, Hair and Identity Are Tangled Together

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/books/review/that-hair-djaimilia-pereira-de-almeida.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Book%20Review

    QUOTE:
    And though much of Pereira de Almeida’s prose reads like lyrical stream of consciousness, her use of Mila’s hair as a metaphor, the perfect stand-in for all her questions of identity, is universal. From getting her first chemical relaxer at 6 (the “abrasive” treatment “consisted of ‘opening up the hair,’ leaving it more supple”), to embracing her long, braided extensions as a teenager, Mila searches for a hairstyle that will provide her with a sense of belonging.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Charon
  13. Bruno says:

    The only good part of globalization : your benefiting from French research (Marseille Pr Didier Raoult, I commented about this one week ago) and French drug (Chloroquine from Sanofi).

    • Replies: @Bruno
    , @PiltdownMan
    , @fnn
  14. The Stanford-adjacent bloke who went on Tucker Carlson based his dramatic bit almost exclusively on the French study. It should hence be pointed out that it was

    (i) very small
    (ii) unblinded
    (iii) not randomized
    (iv) 6 cases from the treatment group were dropped before analyses were run. Of these, 3 were dropped because they were transferred to the ICU and 1 because he died.

    That doesn’t sound like a great advertisement for the drug.

    On the other hand, it seems its usage is recommended by the Chinese government and there is assorted anecdotal evidence.

    So, maybe. Maybe not.

  15. Looks like a huge breakthrough. If these drugs provide effective treatment, diminishing the need for ventilators in severe cases, then the “herd immunity” strategy being cautiously pursued by the Netherlands looks pretty sensible set against the prospect of months-long all-society hunkering down in home detention as bankruptcy spreads virulently over the nation. Just make the pills freely available, tell the elderly and those with compromised immune systems they need to self-quarantine, remind everyone of the continued importance of sanitary practices and not going to work if you’re sick, and get on with galloping confidently toward herd immunity.

    Increscunt animi, virescit volnere virtus.

  16. Also in the NYT today:

    Smile? The Results From the 2020 World Happiness Report Are In
    The Finns, known for downplaying their emotions, are the happiest people in the world. Do they have something to teach us about how to respond to the pandemic?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/world/europe/world-happiness-report.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage

    QUOTE:
    It is easy to chalk up the strong sense of overall well-being in Nordic countries to their wealth and fairly homogeneous populations, Professor Sachs acknowledged.

    “Rich countries are definitely happier than poor countries,” he said. “It’s no joy to be poor.”

    But unlike the United States, where a loss of faith in institutions has dovetailed with the drop in happiness reported by Americans, people in Scandinavian countries believe in one another and their governments, Professor Sachs said.

    “It’s part of what’s deteriorated in the United States,” he said. “This idea that we’re all in this together. That’s really being tested. We’re going to have to find that common sense of shared responsibility to pull through the crisis.”
    END QUOTE

    It’s almost as though people in a country are happier if the country does not import lots of poverty and and corruption and “diversity”.

    The goal of American government policy seems to be to make most Americans less happy.

    • Replies: @Forbes
  17. “The Center for Diseases Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that people ages 65 and older account for between 71% and 85% of flu-related deaths…”

    Data is similar for deaths that are being attributed to the Wuhan virus.

    And for the flu-virus there are vaccines.

  18. @Enochian

    I overlooked your earlier comment, but even forty years ago, it had far less than it used to in my dad’s time. He’d complain about it, saying that supermarket tonic water was just a sugar drink.

    I mentioned the other day that the guy who taught me how to mix drinks used to add quinine to tonic water.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/tom-hanks-disease-is-so-far-the-anti-aids-the-epidemic-of-the-wholesome/#comment-3780484

    • Replies: @J
    , @The Alarmist
  19. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

    This is CNN’s take on Trump’s comment that things look promising and some of these drugs might work:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-false-hope/index.html

    Trump peddles unsubstantiated hope in dark times

    Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
    Updated 1:28 AM ET, Fri March 20, 2020

    (CNN) To fight the coronavirus, President Donald Trump is adopting the audacity of false hope.

    For the past two days, Trump has said he is dispensing “game changer” breakthroughs on treatments and a wartime-style effort to mass produce medical supplies that appear as rays of light amid America’s darkening battle against the coronavirus pandemic…

    • Replies: @El Dato
  20. Bruno says:
    @Bruno

    Didier Raoult is an open and unrepentant climate change sceptic, wich make him an interesting scientific figure ….

  21. Polynikes says:

    NYTimes is a farce of a paper. On what should be an easy article to write with a basic factual narrative, the first line of the story leads with editorialization.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  22. Purdue Pharma released a statement earlier this week stating they cannot in good faith begin the manufacturing of Chloroquine as they have determined that it is not addictive enough.

    • LOL: Federalist
  23. Of the people in Italy whose deaths are being attributed to the Wuhan virus, many, it would appear according to at one report, are Muslims.

    The number of Muslims in Italy is estimated to be 1,600,000 — 4% of the population.

    The majority of the Muslims in Italy are foreigners — citizens, of course, of other countries.

    About the legal status of these foreigners among them, or the circumstances of their lives in Italy as might relate to deaths attributed to Wuhan virus, my search on Google turned up nothing.

  24. @Buzz Mohawk

    Does tonic water have any medicinal value, and might the quinine in a gin & tonic be at least beneficial enough to serve as an excuse to enjoy? Didn’t the British invent the drink for that purpose?

    No, modern tonic water has had its quinine content greatly reduced.

    Gin and tonics are great, except for all those calories that you can’t burn off because the gyms are closed.

    I want to mention that chloroquine appears to be developed as a synthetic substitute for quinine. That means it might be worth trying to find some quinine capsules, even at this late date.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
  25. @Bruno

    The only good part of globalization : your benefiting from French research (Marseille Pr Didier Raoult, I commented about this one week ago) and French drug (Chloroquine from Sanofi).

    Chloroquine was synthesized in the 1930s by Hans Andersag working for Bayer, not Sanofi, in Wuppertal, Germany.

    The Vichy French, who were conducting field trials in Tunisia, handed over supplies of the drug and information on its synthesis to the Allies upon the defeat of the Afrika Korps.

    Googling around, I see that the Sanofi branded version goes for about $40 for 10×250 mg tablets, while the same prescription filled by generics in India costs about 10 cents.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  26. Bruno says:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/20/republican-senators-sold-stocks-before-markets-plunged-on-coronavirus-fears-reports

    The guardian is really devious because Feinstein is not in the title as a democrat and she is the biggest seller .

    Besides, people had only to use their brain to know …

  27. fnn says:
    @Bruno

    Globalization is labor arbitrage (i.e., moving jobs to where labor is cheaper).

    • Replies: @Forbes
  28. Realist says:
    @RichardTaylor

    It makes you wonder, if WWI and WWII had been avoided, and we’d had uninterrupted German science, how many cures would we have now?

    If Hitler hadn’t become so overzealous…invading other countries and killing Jews…Germany would quite likely be the number one country in the world. Hitler should have confined his military activity to reuniting prior German territory, wrongly, taken by the Treaty of Versailles. And using forced migration of Jews, because of their financial control and exploitation of the German economy.

    I very much admire Nazi architecture.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    , @Alfa158
  29. @Steve Sailer

    I have talked to some companies that do medical data mining. Places like WebMD, although that was probably not one of the places I talked to.

    1. There are ways to get around the HIPAA rules. Such as, all personal information is redacted and not sent to the companies.

    2. There are a few companies that control most (not all) of the medical data. These companies use their own formats, so the data mining companies have to be able to match the format of the big medical records companies, such as Epic.

    3. Getting access to the data is easier said than done. There are structural blockades, such as convincing this or that administrator to allow access.

    In short, there are barriers, but the legal barriers are the least difficult.

  30. By far the most sensible analysis of covid-19 to date:

  31. t says:

    Unreal 20% unemployment and the agribusiness claims we have a labor shortage:

    https://www.fb.org/newsroom/farm-bureau-highlights-immediate-challenges-facing-the-agriculture-sec3

    we could have 90% unemployment and these people would still be complaining about a labor shortage.

  32. Jack D says:

    Maybe every[one] in the country should take them to protect against getting infected

    There are a couple of problems with this:

    1. You would need a lot of pills. Far more than the current manufacturers are making. Bayer’s big donation of 3 million pills is less than a 1/2 day supply just for NYC.

    2. If you give chloroquine to the relatively small # 0f people who are already sick, the risk (X% of patients will experience side effects) balances favorably with the reward (people who are already very sick gets better) but as something you give to people who are currently healthy, the balance is very different – you are going to take some people who are currently healthy and make them sick from taking the pills. And since you are giving it to a very large # of people, even a small % of side effects is going to add up to a lot of sick people.

    In the current situation, the FDA is going to look the other way when doctors prescribe chloroquine off-label to people who have the Chinese Virus but if they heard that someone was mass prescribing it to all of his patients as a preventative (or that the manufacturer was touting it as such), they wouldn’t be keen on this until there had been successful trials.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  33. El Dato says:

    Did I just says something about getting the hooks in?

    As I expected when this little virus got started:

    Never let a crisis go to waste: US lawmakers bask in coronavirus panic while quietly building the police state of their dreams

    The ominously-named EARN IT Act (short for “Eliminating Abusive and Rampant Neglect of Interactive Technologies Act”) that quietly debuted in the Senate earlier this month is a carefully crafted weapon for crushing encryption without explicitly banning, industry professionals have warned.

    The bill was introduced by Republican Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) and Democrat Richard Blumenthal (Connecticut). With 52 years in government between them, the pair have weathered enough crises to know that peak coronavirus hysteria was the ideal time to introduce their noxious bill. The civil liberties advocates who normally surface to oppose such draconian legislation were preoccupied with panic-buying toilet paper or watching the growing sea of red ink pooling in their stock portfolios. Even the Electronic Frontier Foundation, whose bread and butter is opposing laws like EARN IT, only rolled out its own warning a week after Graham had unveiled the measure in the Senate.

    It’s the pedos, you see. Ooops, there goes UNZ.com. Adios, based website.

    The feel of being back in the Clinton years.

    • Replies: @Charon
  34. @Jonathan Silber

    Even though I am highly unlikely to be one of those unfortunate people you just mentioned, I would greatly appreciate anything that can prevent me from feeling like I am suffocating underneath an elephant that is sitting on my chest.

    I’ll take the f**king stuff now if it has a chance of preventing that.

    This illness sounds like the viral equivalent of waterboarding. Chinese waterboarding. We are living in interesting times.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  35. El Dato says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    her use of Mila’s hair as a metaphor, the perfect stand-in for all her questions of identity, is universal

    If Sartre had known about Perfect Hair Universality, existentialism would never have have been considered. He would have become Hair Saloon Tycoon instead.

  36. “But now we’ve got to gear up to produce and deliver these in bulk.

    The FDA needs to resolve issues like: if a COVID-19 test isn’t available, should a patient with symptoms be prescribed the drugs anyway?”

    Nah, dawg. Alls y’alls frail boomers NEED to shelter in place and let us younguns go about our lives.

  37. Realist says:

    Hydroxychloroquine appears to have both prophylactic and curative action against Covid-19

  38. @Buzz Mohawk

    “Even though I am highly unlikely to be one of those unfortunate people you just mentioned, I would greatly appreciate anything that can prevent me from feeling like I am suffocating underneath an elephant that is sitting on my chest.”

    Then quarantine yourself, boomer. We young people will keep the world turning for The Duration. The world can, and will, go on without boomers.

    Such a solipsistic generation you are.

  39. anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The safety and security of our children is a top ethical concern. ‘Antiracism diversity’ is not. This is the norm in Vietnam, Peru, and literally every nonwhite country/community across the globe. The standard isn’t actually ‘antiracist’, it’s just antiwhite.

    ‘Antiracism’ costs lives. It would have saved us from hundreds of thousands of illnesses, thousands of deaths, and countless pensions and personal savings lost by the China virus.

    ‘Antiracism’ means the daily beatings and murders of ordinary white Americans, as documented by Paul Kersey and Colin Flaherty.

    ‘Antiracism’ means the sadistic, prolonged torture of white farmers in South Africa, an empty Cape their ancestors settled 400 years ago, long before today’s dominant Bantus arrived. Consider the case of Alice Lotter, who was raped and genitally mutilated with knives and sharp objects for hours, had her breasts cut off, teeth smashed in, all while still alive, and while her mother Helen listened in the next room. Nothing in white SA history is remotely as evil as what’s happening right now.

    ‘Antiracism’ gave us the kidnapping, rape, mutilation, torture, and murder of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom right here in the US of A.

    All the antiwhites have against us is bullying, lies and double standards. The world is a much safer, more prosperous and free place because of us. We have committed no unique sins, but given humanity many unique gifts.

    The word ‘racist’ was coined and weaponized by Lev Davidovich Bronstein, better known as Leon Trotsky. Bronstein and his fellow anti-Christian, globalist, hostile elite Bolsheviks teamed with criminal minorities to rape and kill tens of millions of ethnic Russians. They saved the most cruel and gruesome torture for the men and women of the Church.

    Our globalist ruling class today is the same people with the same goals using the same strategy. If we don’t stop it, we will suffer the same fate. Support our guys Ron Unz and Nick Fuentes.

  40. Anon7 says:

    I hang out with people who do medical research, and design medical studies, for a living. You need to understand just how rare it is to find some sort of a drug or a vaccine with real, provable efficacy.

    Watch these Mayo clinic physician/researchers discuss trying to make a vaccine:

    https://giblib.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2737b2dc5ef6eef2279612cbc&id=4a1ccc3cb6&e=b3203b4438

    Bonus for physicians; you can earn Continuing Medical Education (CME) credits for watching. For everyone else; this is not an elementary level presentation.

  41. @Anonymous

    If reporters wanted to be useful, productive citizens, they’d have already gotten jobs.

    • LOL: Unladen Swallow
  42. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @vhrm

    I’m just remarking on the signs of TDS in this article that could very easily have been just about the drugs and their potential or lack thereof, rather than about how Trump characterized them

    The authoresses are likely writing at the limits of their intelligence. I cannot find the words “off label” in the editorial health-news story, for example, yet that is a basic fact at the level of a sophomore in J-school. It’s in the “who / what / when / where / why / how” stack. Off-label use of drugs has been around for years and years, it’s not some recent change by Bad Orange Man.

    Just another example of ideology over substance. That’s what modern libtardedness is all about. Borderline hysteria IMO.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  43. @El Dato

    Payback for all that German gold Switzerland seized at the end of WW2.

  44. @PiltdownMan

    Think “Indian Tech Support” before you talk about cheaper Indian products.

  45. Jack D says:
    @RichardTaylor

    The Holocaust was the much bigger tragedy. Maybe 1/4 of all Nobels in medicine are awarded to Jews. Hitler effectively wiped out the Jewish population of Europe. How many future Nobelists were consumed in the fires of Auschwitz (or never even born because their parents were)?

    War in general (absent genocide) is good for medicine. Under the pressures of war, lots of new cures are found. Governments are stingy about devoting money to research but if it is part of the military budget, lots of money is available. And WWI left Germany physically untouched. All the chemistry labs, etc. were intact at the end of the war. Probably some promising future scientists died in the trenches but it was nothing like a genocide.

    Chloroquine is an old fashioned small molecule drug, the kind the Germans were really good at finding. Germans were great chemists. But small molecule pharmacology has been pretty well mined out – note that chloroquine was discovered many decades ago. The big action now is in biologics/large molecule drugs. The Germans have no special advantage there. DNA was an American/British discovery.

  46. Kim says:
    @Anonymous

    Lots of problem solving turns out to in fact to be problem causing.

    For example, we would have been better off without the 1965 Civil Rights Act, and the Haber-Bosch process. The list is long.

  47. Anonymous[159] • Disclaimer says:

    I think it is quite clear now that the Chinese numbers are a complete fabrication.

  48. Kim says:
    @Jack D

    Hate to be the one to break it to you, but the holohoax story is, well, a hoax.

    • Troll: Corn
  49. peterike says:

    There’s a lot of info on this here:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/

    As for those Times “reporters,” they should be taken out and beaten.

  50. @Jack D

    There aren’t enough eye rolls in the world for this take.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
  51. Hydroxychloroquine– there seems to be some chicanery involving its primary ingredient:

    Oreo sabotage buries Hydrox, the kosher cookie

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  52. @vhrm

    …and yet, they can’t help themselves but to frame the whole thing as an anti-Trump issue.

    Agree, and it’s reprehensible. For those who think that this whole pandemic has been engineered to get Trump out of office, as a follow up to the earlier, unsuccessful Russia collusion and Ukrainian quid pro quo hoaxes, this relentless politicization gives support.

    • Agree: snorlax
  53. Realist says:
    @Jack D

    Hitler effectively wiped out the Jewish population of Europe.

    Complete nonsense.

    How many future Nobelists were consumed in the fires of Auschwitz (or never even born because their parents were)?

    How many future German scientists…including Nobelists were consumed in the firebombing of Dresden or the utter destruction of Germany during WWII (or never even born because their parents were)?
    As far as great scientific achievements are concerned, the Nobel Prize is a piss poor indicator.

    And WWI left Germany physically untouched.

    Where do you get your bullshit information? The Treaty of Versailles forcefully took land that had historically been German and devastated the German economy.

    Chloroquine is an old fashioned small molecule drug, the kind the Germans were really good at finding. Germans were great chemists. But small molecule pharmacology has been pretty well mined out – note that chloroquine was discovered many decades ago.

    What difference does it make if a potential cure…with prophylactic qualities does the job?

  54. Semi-OT:

    Dutch authorities are to begin testing donated blood to determine the asymptomatic spread of COVID-19. There are about 2,000 donations a day in the Netherlands, 10,000 weekly regular donors, 331,000 total donors.

    https://www.dutchnews.no/news/2020/03/blood-samples-to-be-tested-to-track-immunity-to-coronavirus/

    There are about 3,000 known cases in the Netherlands, about 175 cases per million residents. This rate is comparable to South Korea (167/M), France (169/M), and Germany (167/M). Italy is about 678/M.

    Another good idea would be to treat those 10,000 regular donors as a sample group to compare infection over time with the existing monitoring regime.

  55. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Silber

    A lot of the people who are dying were not gravely ill before they contracted the Chinese Virus. They are just older people whose tank is 7/8 empty. They could have kept driving down the road for quite a few miles before their tank ran out. But if you punch a big hole in their tank they drain right out. These people are your parents and grandparents (and maybe even you). They have wives, children, grandchildren, friends, etc. – they have as much right to live as anyone. People are being much too dismissive here.

  56. I find it genuinely depressing to see so many people, especially in the media, rooting for the worst possible case for coronavirus, just to pull down Orange Man. God forbid that hydroxychloroquine should make the problem go away. Who thought that even this would be political issue?

    I’ve watched a good portion of a number of the recent Trump pressers on the virus, as I’m sure many Americans have, now having little else to do.

    I’ve been impressed. He really does seem on top of the many aspects of this emergency, from the medical implications, to the economic impact, to the private-public cooperation, to the governmental components. He seems very much in command, and comfortable in that role. Likely this is the first time the public has really gotten a sense of what Trump is like behind the scenes, deciding policy. Not exactly 25th amendment material.

    Trump is obviously a lot more than his tweets and his rants against opponents.

    • Agree: danand, snorlax
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  57. roo_ster says:

    Another hysteric post by Sailer.

    Sailer needs some time out of the socal megalopolis, some time off line, and some time with non-hysterical people in the hinterlands to get his head out of the panicky gutter. It would do him a world of good.

  58. Looks like the (((Fed))) is back to their old not QE tricks:

    Historic Day: Fed To Buy A Record $107 Billion In Securities Today Alone As Fed Balance Sheet Explodes

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/historic-day-fed-buy-record-107-billion-securities-today-alone-fed-balance-sheet-explodes

    Marriott and Hilton stock are both up 20%. I guess no revenue for a minimum of 1 to 3 months is bullish.

    BTFD!!!

  59. @Jack D

    [Older people] have as much right to live as anyone

    Objection: assumes facts not in evidence

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  60. @Jack D

    That is probably correct, but you never know with regulators.

    A bigger issue is insurance companies. Strange as this may sound, there are companies which may refuse to pay for Coronavirus, but would pay for arthritis.

    One time I took a medicine that could also be used to stop smoking. My insurance company made me jump through minor hoops to show I wasn’t using it to stop smoking. They would pay for my condition but not for smokers. That is just the way insurance companies operate.

  61. @Jack D

    That is probably correct, but you never know with regulators.

    A bigger issue is insurance companies. Strange as this may sound, there are companies which may refuse to pay for Coronavirus, but would pay for arthritis.

    One time I took a medicine that could also be used to stop smoking. My insurance company made me jump through minor hoops to show I wasn’t using it to stop smoking. They would pay for my condition but not for smokers. That is just the way insurance companies operate.

  62. “With Minimal Evidence…”

    Right from the first three words these NYT harpies can’t resist starting in on Trump, even before giving us the story. I keep thinking of the scene in Inherit the Wind where Spencer Tracy tells cynical newsman Gene Kelly, “You’ve never put two words together in your life, except to blow something up.”

    • Replies: @theMann
  63. Apropos of nothing, there was an episode of MASH where the 4077 couldn’t get their usual supply of chloroquine. Therefore they were instead sent primaquine which merely suppressed the symptoms of malaria, rather than actually curing it. It also had negative side effects on black people, so they couldn’t take it. The denouement of the episode was that

    [MORE]
    primaquine also had negative side effects on Mediterranean people such as Klinger.

  64. JimB says:

    Distribution of Corona virus cases, from Daily Caller interactive map.
    Distribution of Asian immigrants, from Migration Policy Institute.

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @Federalist
  65. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    What happens when borders are closed because of disease?

    Fruit rots in the fields! Rots, I tell you!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8134285/Farmers-call-army-Land-Girls-boys-help-pick-fruit-veg.html

    “Last year 98 per cent of harvest staff were from outside the UK. We are now very concerned about securing enough workers to help harvest our vital crops and get fresh fruit and vegetables to the public. To help, in the next few days the berry industry will be mounting a large-scale recruitment campaign to encourage people who are in the UK and looking for work because of the current economic impact of the coronavirus to come and work on our farms.”

    Farmers might have to pay a bit more than before. Could increase the retail price of fruit by a couple of percent. Oh, the horror! Oh, the humanity!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @obwandiyag
  66. There are lots of drugs that might help to treat the symptoms, for example to dry up nasal secretions, loosen mucus, reduce coughing that keeps sick people awake at night, reduce fever, open up respiratory passages, force the body to excrete excess fluid from the lungs via the urine, reduce inflammation, reduce pain.

    They are all available over the counter. Obviously researchers will be looking at other drugs, including antivirals (usually very expensive, for example Truvada costs about $35 per day), but a lot of these drugs carry severe side effects that may not be well tolerated by frail elderly people in intensive care.

  67. danand says:

    “So a promising drug would be great—and even better, chloroquine isn’t new. Its use dates back to World War II, and it’s derived from the bark of the chinchona tree, like quinine, a centuries-old antimalarial. That means the drug is now generic and is relatively cheap. Physicians understand it well, and they’re allowed to prescribe it for anything they want, not just malaria.”

    From this Wired Magazine article:

    https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-covid-19-and-silicon-valleys-into-it/

  68. @Jack D

    There was a small Jewish city in Poland that was almost completely wiped out by the Nazis. I think they had a few tens of thousands before the war.

    Four children survived.

    One of those was Roald Hofmann, a very humble man who became one of the greatest chemists in the world.

    Hofmann’s father worked out a way to get his wife and baby to escape while he held the fence. A guard saw the older Mr. Hofmann and shot him dead. The wife and baby escaped, and made their way to NYC after the war.

    Hoffman won the Nobel Prize for his postdoc work.

    • Replies: @Anon
  69. @candid_observer

    I’ve been impressed. He (Trump) really does seem on top of the many aspects of this emergency, from the medical implications, to the economic impact, to the private-public cooperation, to the governmental components. He seems very much in command, and comfortable in that role.

    You may have been seeing a fake news version of Trump. The one I have seen looks like a deer caught in the headlights, and does not have a clue, contradicts the experts all the time, contradicts what he himself said yesterday and shows no evidence whatsoever of having a real understanding of the nature of the disease or of the effects on Americans.

    I would even be willing to wager a small bet that if he was directly asked on camera what is the definition of “pandemic”, he could not answer correctly.

    (Pandemic–a disease prevalent over a whole country or the world.)

    • Troll: Muggles
  70. @Jack D

    When I re-post here data showing that most of the deaths attributed to the Wuhan virus are of the elderly, many of whom, after living to a ripe old age, have one foot in the grave, it is not to be inferred that I feel indifferent to their situation or advocate that no measures be taken in their behalf, especially for relief of their pain and suffering.

    But I do oppose extraordinary and draconian measures taken in the hopes of saving their lives at the expense of the health and well-being and livelihood and liberty of the vast majority of younger, healthier people who still have most of their lives ahead of them.

  71. Dumbo says:
    @Jonathan Silber

    Here there’s news of a 48 year old supermarket cashier that died in Italy. I remember also a case of a 46 year old dying in Spain or France. If true, then it’s not only the old. Hopefully these are just very rare and odd cases.

    http://www.ansa.it/english/news/general_news/2020/03/20/coronavirus-supermarket-cashier-dies_c0fbfc00-5453-4571-9da5-0078645a3a4a.html

  72. JimDandy says:

    Thank God the FDA is there to protect dying people from something that might save their lives. They’ve always been good for that. Glad to see they are staying the course in these difficult times.

  73. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    IT’S HAPPENING

    Just heard foxnews establishment medical guy Dr Oz on the radio spreading the good news of the Didier Raoult peer reviewed study of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromicyn “dramatically lowering the viral load in 3 days” and wiping out the virus in 6 days.

    Not only is the curve gonna be flattened this thing will be snuffed out —- unless the corrupt FDA/CDC goons interfere.

    Thought maybe the big pharma establishment would force remdisivir down our throats but maybe no.

    You’ll know the establishment has caved when CNN front man Sanjay Gupta lines up with Oz.

    Mass distribution of the chloroquine is correct BUT WE NEED BOTH DRUGS TO SMASH THE VIRUS

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
  74. A123 says:

    Populist Israel’s Teva has doubled Globalist Germany’s Bayer so there are now 9MM doses of chloroquine readily avalable. (1)

    Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, Israel’s leading drug producer, announced Thursday that it is donating six million doses of its malaria tablet to the United States as testimonies continue to roll in claiming that it could potentially treat people with the Chinese coronavirus.

    Teva said it will ship the hydroxychloroquine tablets via wholesalers to hospitals across the country by March 31 and provide over ten million within a month.

    There will not be enough for protective use. If given to new cases, it should keep them out of the hospital. Hopefully, this is the ‘beginning of the end‘ of the crisis. There is now a door open for the bulk of the global population if production can be ramped up.

    The limited # of victims who cannot take chloroquine due to drug interactions is a possible issue, but they are unlikely to swamp ICU’s.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/20/israels-teva-donates-6-million-doses-of-malaria-drug-to-fight-coronavirus/

  75. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    So the malaria vector is key. Maybe humidity and other factors of course also….. but obviously if a human has natural malaria immunity or medicinal malaria immunity then that is key.

    The malaria interaction with homo sapiens has epic plot twists (sickle cell etc) and now this is a new chapter.

    This guy Didier Raoult is a hero and of course there are a bunch of other researchers around the world who deserve credit.
    Raoult is another rock & roll science guy with the long hair. Don’t tell the millenials but I think he’s a French boomer.

  76. My latest press release:

    Don’t Let Bureaucrats Bog Down Approval of Chloroquine for COVID-19

    Scientific Support Justifies Immediate Use

    Is the same FDA that slowed the delivery of COVID-19 test kits, badly hindering America’s pandemic response, now delaying the delivery of an effective treatment? It is looking that way. President Trump insisted in his March 19 press conference that hydroxychloroquine would quickly be approved for treatment against the coronavirus. But then FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn seemed to say the opposite, that new treatments will still only be available under the FDA’s ‘compassionate use’ protocol until formal approval, which might take months.

    Many have asked why residents of China and South Korea get the best available drugs to treat COVID-19 while Americans are only treated for their symptoms even as widely available and effective drugs go unused. The answer lies in a slow, multi-stage FDA approval process that was not designed with pandemics in mind.

    Official guidelines in China currently call for chloroquine as part of the treatment plan against COVID-19. For adults, the prescription is 500 mg of chloroquine phosphate tablets taken orally twice daily for 10 days. In Korea, official guidelines call for either 500 mg of chloroquine or 400 mg of hydroxychloroquine to be taken orally daily for 7-10 days. These guidelines have been in place for over a month in each country. China and Korea are hailed as success stories for achieving dramatic reductions in COVID-19 cases and deaths, getting the virus under control and bringing a return to normalcy.

    What about the United States? Currently the CDC has no guidelines for any drugs to treat COVID-19 Coronavirus and the FDA has made no approvals. Although doctors can go “off-label” and treat COVID-19 with chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine on their own, they do so without the recommendation of either the CDC or the FDA. Some hospitals such as the University of Washington hospital are already using hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 on their own. The CDC states unhelpfully, “There are currently no antiviral drugs licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat patients with COVID-19.” This is not because chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been shown to be unsafe or ineffective. Instead, it is because they haven’t gone through the lengthy approval process that the FDA expects.

    Indeed, chloroquine and closely related hydroxychloroquine already have been shown to be highly effective against Covid-19 coronavirus. What is the evidence in support of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine? Considerable research support has come in recent weeks. Below are some highlights:

    (1) Raoult et al. “Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial” (March 2020)

    In a new clinical study in France led by Dr. Didier Raoult, an infectious disease specialist, 100 percent of patients with COVID-19 treated with a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin were virologically cured after 6 days of treatment with a p-value <0.0001.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view

    (2) Gao et al. “Breakthrough: Chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies.” Bioscience Trends. 2020 Mar 16; 14(1):72-73.

    “Chloroquine phosphate, an old drug for treatment of malaria, is shown to have apparent efficacy and acceptable safety against COVID-19 associated pneumonia in multicenter clinical trials conducted in China.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550

    (3) Colson et al. “Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as available weapons to fight COVID-19.” International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, Available online 4 March 2020, 105932

    “Following the in vitro results, 20 clinical studies were launched in several Chinese hospitals. The first results obtained from more than 100 patients showed the superiority of chloroquine compared with treatment of the control group in terms of reduction of exacerbation of pneumonia, duration of symptoms and delay of viral clearance, all in the absence of severe side effects. This has led in China to include chloroquine in the recommendations regarding the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 pneumonia.”

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300820

    (4) Colson et al. “Chloroquine for the 2019 novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2.”
    International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, Volume 55, Issue 3, March 2020, 105923

    “The novel coronavirus currently isolated in China has been, with staggering speed, evaluated regarding its sensitivity to already used drugs. Thus, the new antiviral drug remdesivir as well as chloroquine, at an EC50 of 1.1 µM, were found to be effective in preventing replication of this virus. … It is difficult to find a product that currently has a better-established safety profile than chloroquine.”

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300662

    (5) Wang et al. “Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro.” Cell Research 30, 269–271 (2020).

    Chloroquine showed nearly 100% inhibition of COVID-19 replication and very low levels of cellular toxicity.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0

    Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have already proved their effectiveness against the Coronavirus pandemic, helping to bring the pandemic under control in both China and Korea, where they have been part of the standard treatment in both countries for more than a month. Yet they are still not part of the treatment protocol in the United States and the delays continue as the deaths mount.

    America cannot afford one more day of delay. The treatment protocol for COVID-19 must include chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, which have been proven effective and safe, immediately.

    • Agree: Federalist
    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    , @Federalist
  77. @Jack D

    A lot of the people who are dying were not gravely ill before they contracted the Chinese Virus. They are just older people whose tank is 7/8 empty.

    I am one of them. I am nearly 70 and in reasonable, but not exceptionally good health, mainly because of being overweight. I ride a bike for about 15 minutes a day and play fetch with the dog. (Me throw ball, she does the running and catching.)

    I had pneumonia and nearly died in 1958 when I was 7. My father did not want my mother to call the doctor as he thought I would be OK, but my mother did anyway, behind his back as she was an experienced registered nurse and midwife and recognized the signs of pneumonia. My father had no medical background or knowledge at all.

    The doctor came to the house and gave me a shot of penicillin from a big old glass syringe with a stainless steel needle, and I made it through. I remember being in bed a long time that spring and watching the elderberries on the bush outside my window ripen from green to red and then black while I was sick. I was then taken to Bournemouth by my grandmother to inhale the sea air as part of my recovery. I missed almost an entire semester of school, but read the Swiss Family Robinson during my convalescence.

    I also had very bad flu in the winter of 1975, and I am sure I was made much sicker due to the fact that I was smoking 2 packs a day of cigarettes at the time.

    I am not looking forward to catching corona virus, would rather avoid it, and do not wish to die since I have young children who need two parents.

    HOWEVER, I still think this reaction to the corona virus is ludicrously overblown, because we are now setting a precedent that every time there is a new respiratory virus, everything must close.

    Future historians will see 2020 as the defining year in which, after a 75-year era starting with the end of World War II technological and medical progress brought great prosperity to developed nations, the Decline And Fall of the American Empire started.

    [MORE]

    Horace Smith’s “Ozymandias”

    In Egypt’s sandy silence, all alone,
    Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
    The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
    “I am great OZYMANDIAS,” saith the stone,
    “The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
    The wonders of my hand.”— The City’s gone,—
    Naught but the Leg remaining to disclose
    The site of this forgotten Babylon.

    We wonder,—and some Hunter may express
    Wonder like ours, when thro’ the wilderness
    Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chase,
    He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
    What powerful but unrecorded race
    Once dwelt in that annihilated place

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @anon
    , @ben tillman
  78. epebble says:
    @JimB

    Seems to suggest mobility from China is the catalyst. Not really surprising since it was born in China. A similar map for Ebola would tell where African immigrants are present and one for Zika would tell where South American immigrants are present.

    In the Eighties, HIV/AIDS diffusion was correlated with travel patterns of American men. Many foreigners were afraid of American white men for fear of catching AIDS by casual contact.

    • Replies: @JimB
  79. Dtbb says:

    Hell, give atabrine another shot. Couldn’t hurt?

  80. Prescription for “off-label” purposes appears to be completely legal and fairly common. I was aware of off-label but never looked up just what it implied.

    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/off-label-drug-use-what-you-need-to-know#1

    I’m not sure of the limitations, but I’d bet they cannot advertise an off-label use. According to the article FDA approves the drug and mandates a usage label, but they do not regulate how the doctors prescribe it. There must be some limits somewhere, as with opioids

  81. A123 says:
    @Jonathan Silber

    Illegal Muslim immigrants brought tuberculosis [TB]. Slow acting and difficult to cure. These Muslims infected elderly Italians. When WUHAN-19 came along, elderly victims with TB were hit hard.

    The problem is not limited to illegal Muslims. Illegal South Americans have brought the eradicated Hoof & Mouth disease back to the U.S.

    PEACE 😷

  82. Anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:

    Spread the word about Didier Raoult breakthrough study

    covidvirus.io

    His cocktail of quine plus azithromycin smashes the virus.

    Dr Oz from foxnews is onboard. Heard him evangelizing the study this am….

    We need to push this out and crush the Big Pharma solutions ….

    Both cocktail drugs are cheap generics

    We can end the mass quarantines asap by pushing this breakthrough treatment out there!

  83. indocon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes, the British did invent tonic water with quinine to tide over the malaria disease in India for their soldiers and administrators, bloody geniuses.

    The so-called India Pale Ale’s have a similar backdrop, hops were added to beer transported from England to India to make it survive the long journey in hot sultry weather, and wala what do you have, a beer craze among millennials today for these hoppy high alcohol brews. Personally I find these IPAs disgusting.

  84. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:

    I just heard on BBC news that Prince Albert II of Monaco has been hit with the Wuflu. Hmm, I thought, I wonder …

    Sure enough, he’s an “avid sportsman,” with an emphasis on skiing. I’m not going to do the forensics on his schedule over the past two weeks, but there’s this from late January:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3403772/Prince-Albert-Monaco-skis-French-resort-children-s-charity-day.html

    • Replies: @Anon
  85. @Realist

    “And using forced migration of Jews, because of their financial control and exploitation of the German economy.”

    Ah, there’s the rub. “Judea” fought back, tricking and bribing the “Allies” into provoking the war. Also, as a comment above notes, a successful Germany would have been the #1 nation in Europe and the world, which the Brits wouldn’t allow; they, in turn, were manipulating the US as well. One way or another, war was inevitable.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Keypusher
  86. Anon[794] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Hoffman doesn’t make up for his Jewish European born contemporaries Abe Foxman and George Soros who came to America after the war with a mission to destroy.

    Those two alone are the best arguments for no immigration ever again.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  87. @Jack D

    Goebbels replied to that: you don’t know how modern science works. It doesn’t matter if Einstein works in Berlin or Buenos Aires, his work will be published and available to everyone.

    The advantage Germany gets, in turn, will be living without Jews trying to either destroy or control Germany.

    As Gandhi said, it didn’t matter how many “improvements” the British brought with them, they were invaders and Indians wanted to be in control of their own house.

    It doesn’t matter if a few Jews invent some neat stuff, if the bulk of their tribesmen are trying to kill all White people.

    “Jews invent stuff” is just like “Blacks are great dancers” and “Mexican food is terrific.”

    • Agree: Realist
    • Thanks: LoutishAngloQuebecker
    • Replies: @Jack D
  88. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    – The Obama: The audacity of TRUE hope.
    – The Anti-Obama: The audacity of FALSE hope.

    I like that!

    Meanwhile, an outbreak of mad cow disease in Washington.

    ‘Seasonal madness provoked by coronavirus’ – Kremlin on reports US may sanction Russia over oil prices

    A Wall Street Journal report stating that the US government is considering additional sanctions on Russia over its role in the collapse of oil prices has been ridiculed by Vladimir Putin’s spokesman.

    Dmitry Peskov joked on Friday that perhaps the powers that be in the White House had fallen ill with a case of Covid-19.

    “This nonsense about possible sanctions belongs in the category of seasonal madness provoked by coronavirus [making people] suffer from Russophobia,” he said.

    Meanwhile, over the cacophony, I heard that Tusli has dropped out and is endorsing Oligarcho-Roboto Biden because he has a good heart. Did they tell finally that they have good Kompromat on her.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  89. @Steve Sailer

    A suggested executive order: With respect to any data related to SARS-CoV-2, HIPPA is suspended.

    The rationale would be that it is in the public interest that any and all infected can be publicly identified.

  90. Awbnid says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Exactly, in re. Indian pharma. DDG “Statin Ground Glass Ranbaxy”

  91. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Such a solipsistic generation you are.

    Methinks Boomers employed birth control too infrequently.

  92. El Dato says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Let’s just say that we live in terminal imperial times.

  93. J says:
    @PiltdownMan

    I recommend Ferro Quina Bisleri of Argentina. It was bitter like sin. I dont know if they sell it today, this generation favors sweet fruit drinks.

  94. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    ALERT: FDA/CDC MAFIA WANTS CHLOROQUINE EXTENDED TRIAL PERIOD TO PREVENT QUICK RESOLUTION TO THIS CRISIS

    The battle is on! CNN scumbags today throwing massive shade on Didier Raoult study medicine prescription (hydroxychloroquine azithromycin cocktail).

    CNN panel including arch-villain Sanjay Gupta is trying to push us into an FDA extended trial period which is perfect cover for demolishing the economy entirely over a months long period instead resolving this panic in just a few more days which is possible IF WE MASSIVELY ROLL OUT THE HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.

    Dr Oz (the fox equivalent to Gupta) has defied the mafia and gotten onboard with the French Raoult study. Big pharma must be blasting Lachlan Murdoch today for allowing Dr Oz the defector to go on foxnews air!

    Didier Raoult team released the peer reviewed study a few days ago and you can find it all thru

    twitter.com/riganoesq/

    They are associated with Stanford apparently.

    THIS IS LEGIT. IT’S HAPPENING.

    But you know who isn’t legit? Sanjay Gupta. He is still recommending high carb high grain diet plus statin drugs as “healthy living” …..what a fucking asshole.

    Fauci is obviously part of the mafia also.

    Trump’s press briefing yesterday was epic. It’s the Quine moment. He will win reelection based on the Quine.

    Trump’s briefing today was basically The Quine Part II.

    SPREAD THE NEWS: DIDIER RAOULT STUDY PROVES WE CAN END THE PANIC NOW NOT MONTHS FROM NOW

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  95. @El Dato

    Your “green zealots” are correct.

  96. Jack D says:

    As far as great scientific achievements are concerned, the Nobel Prize is a piss poor indicator.

    You’re right. The Service Cross of the German Eagle, like the one that Lindbergh got from Hermann Goering in 1938, is a MUCH better indicator.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Realist
  97. anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    The only US drugmaker that makes a potential treatment for the coronavirus that was touted by President Donald Trump raised the price by almost 100 per cent in January, as the virus caused havoc across China.

    Rising Pharmaceuticals, a New Jersey based company, increased the price of chloroquine — an antimalarial, which is one of the drugs that is being tested against Covid-19 — on January 23, according to data from research firm Elsevier. The drug price rose 97.86 per cent to $7.66 per 250mg pill and $19.88 per 500mg pill. 

    But Rising said the price rise was “coincidental” and it restored the old price once it realised that the drug might be in demand because of the outbreak. The reversal of the price lift has not yet shown through in the data. 

    https://www.ft.com/content/b7a21a16-6a1f-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

    The price gouging has started. It is a generic drug but only a limited number of companies manufacturing it are approved in the US.

    Around 12 companies have USFDA approval to manufacture the drug in the US. Indian companies whose final drug formulation is approved by USFDA includes Cadila, IPCA, Lupin and Laurus Labs.

    There are loads of generic manufacturers in the developing world that produce the drug. Expedite approvals immediately. This is also an example of how barriers to entry of medicine and supplies (e.g. surgical masks) encouraging domestic production doesn’t help out in a bind…

    • Replies: @anon
  98. @DanHessinMD

    The FDA does not have any power to stop physicians from prescribing chloroquine if it is effective. All FDA approval means is that you are allowed to market a drug for an indication. The power to prescribe any drug for any indication lies with physicians. If you have a medical license you can prescribe any drug for any reason. You can prescribe tylenol for a stroke. With the caveat that if you prescribe a lot of ineffective remedies or ignore effective remedies you can be sued for malpractice or lose your medical license.

    This is called off-label use and is extremely common. For example aspirin is routinely given for heart attack but it has never been approved by the FDA for that purpose, nor will it ever be because it is a generic drug and there is no money in it and no company will ever pay for an (extremely expensive) clinical trial when they will never get a return on investment. However because physicians have done studies on their own showing its effectiveness it is considered the standard of care to give aspirin for MI, and we give it all the time.

    In short, I don’t think you understand what the FDA is.

    Now, there might be supply bottlenecks for manufacturing enough doses, but again, FDA has nothing to do with that.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  99. @JimB

    The problem with the distribution map is that it doesn’t control for population of each state. So, a state with a large population will tend to be shown as having a large number of cases even though that state may actually have a low per capita rate of infection. For example, Louisiana has a somewhat higher number of confirmed cases than neighboring Texas even though Texas has over six times the population of Louisiana. So, Texas and Louisiana are shown as the same shade of brown on the map even though Louisiana has a much higher rate per capita.

  100. Dumbo says:

    SJWs, POCs and feminists must be happy with this virus.
    Finally a disease that kills mostly “old white men”.

    What’s the rate on Jewish deaths?
    Seriously, are there accurate statistics for race, ethnicity and other factors?
    The only thing I saw is that men are much more affected than women.

    But that’s not unusual, as regular flu also affects men more than women (“man flu” and all that)

  101. Jack D says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Many of the generic drugs that are currently on the market are already made in India. Look closely at your prescription bottles. For other drugs, the pills might be made in America but the chemical feedstocks are imported from China or India. But if it’s a brand name medication, Big Pharma marks up the price by some very large multiple. The $.10 Indian pill or $.05 Chinese chemical becomes a $5.40 American pill. Even if you wanted to take only Made In USA medications you would have a hard time doing it.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  102. JUSA says:

    On Thursday, the German manufacturer Bayer said it had donated three million tablets of chloroquine to the U.S. government for potential use as a treatment for coronavirus.

    Bayer does not sell its chloroquine product in the United States, but has said it is seeking approval from the F.D.A. for it to be used on an emergency basis. Chloroquine, sold under the brand name Resochin by Bayer, was discovered by the company in 1934. Bayer said in a statement Thursday that it “appears to have broad spectrum antiviral properties and effects on the body’s immune response.”

    Per the Seattle Times, German scientists were also the first to develop a test for coronavirus, on Jan. 17, five days after China published the genome sequence. And they made it available for the rest of the world to replicate for free through the WHO.

    While the CDC, FUKUS and rest of the Western world are bungling their response to coronavirus, Germany actively tests and treat their people, so they have a low death rate of 0.3%. It’s just like when the rest of the Western world was busy conquering and enslaving the third world during colonial times, Germans stayed home, wrote beautiful classical music, gave the world Protestantism and philosophy. These days, they give the world the best cars and industrial technology.

    Hitler was right about one thing: Germans are the best race on earth.

    Hope Churchill and FDR are burning in hell. The world is now reaping what they sowed.

  103. Jack D says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    It doesn’t matter if Einstein works in Berlin or Buenos Aires, his work will be published and available to everyone.

    Goebbels might have thought otherwise if he had lived long enough for America to nuke Berlin. Of course he wouldn’t have thought very long about it, just the few seconds between when he saw the flash and when the blast wave disintegrated his ass.

    Boy, Covid is sure bringing the cockroaches out of their cracks into the daylight.

    • Agree: Muggles
  104. @Redneck farmer

    Think “Indian Tech Support” before you talk about cheaper Indian products.

    Without resorting to tech support, there is relevant data from generic drug manufacture in India itself. Steve was all over this years ago.
    See
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/red-pill-indian-generic-drug-maker/?highlight=indian+generic+drugs+sikh

    &

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ranbaxy-laboratories-and-admiral-samuel/?highlight=indian+generic+drugs+sikh

  105. @DanHessinMD

    Trump should publicly call on Congress should pass a law today that goes around all of the FDA crap that allows physicians at their discretion to prescribe chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to patients who they suspect have coronavirus. They could also limit liability of medical providers who use these drugs to treat coronavirus. (It can be done. The Commerce Clause has been used for much more questionable things).

    This can be done immediately. I don’t care how long it usually takes. If we can effectively shut down the economy and infringe on a number of Constitutional rights without any due process and at the orders of governors and mayors without any oversight whatsoever, Congress can pass a damn law.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    , @S. Anonyia
  106. Dumbo says:

    People are dying and the economy is in the toilet, but let’s focus on what’s important:

    “The Coronavirus Is a Disaster for Feminism”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/03/feminism-womens-rights-coronavirus-covid19/608302/

  107. Hhsiii says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Spanish flu mutated and the second wave killed the young and healthy. So we don’t know how this plays out. But I get you’re bored and wanna go to a bar.

    I went by City Hops and got some double IPAs to take home. Then got a draft beer to go at The Jeffrey. They are doing cocktails and bar food to go, too. But they were out of Vagrant’s Choice.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  108. The Orange Orangutan explained perfectly the difference between the antimalarial chloroquine and the antirheumatic hydroxychloroquine: “some people would add hydroxy”.

    Similarly, I would add that, if you come down with the boomer flu, you should take salicylate. Only some people would add “acetyl-“.

    What is with you, people, that you slavishly praise everything the Orangutan says? Why the excitement when he came in the Rose Garden with the biggest thieves of your country?

    Unless you are brainwashed, you would know that most of the words politicians say are lies and misrepresantations. Hydroxy-optional is just more obvious. Trump said it only because he likes to be on TV, and the alternative was to admit he wanked about, watching Fox and tweeting.

    There is no value in hydroxy-optional. The French study was not randomized. In other words, it was cherry picked. In any case, there is no reason for Trump to interfere, since American doctors can already prescribe whatever they want if they feel it is useful and would be appred by a civil jury. If anything, Trump made hydroxy-optionals less desirable.

    Get a grip.

  109. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    The Education Department cancelled NAEP tests for the year.

    It wonder how long the PISAs have.

    This is part of the trend towards the end of objective data about education and intelligence.

  110. @anon

    Farmers might have to pay a bit more than before. Could increase the retail price of fruit by a couple of percent. Oh, the horror! Oh, the humanity!

    This is nothing. Vice is here to reveal the real heartbreaking aspect of Corona-chan

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxekyz/transgender-surgeries-delayed-coronavirus-hospitals

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  111. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Such a solipsistic generation you are.

    Unlike, say, the ones that refer to themselves as “millennial”? With a straight face, no less.

    • LOL: Hhsiii
  112. Anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    So we need legislation or emergency decrees allowing data mining for coronoavirus medicines, HIPAA be damned.

    Junior congressmen have a hard time building a record of legislation, and stuff like this would be perfect, narrow in scope, relatively simple to draft, easy to explain, and topical and thus capable of getting press and television coverage. Can we data mine the congress to look for someone who has a STEM bent and is not that much of a privacy nut, who might take this on? Can we get a name or two and do some targetted phone calls? Or actually, it might be better to recruit some researchers of the sort who would be using the data, people with academic credentials and not controversial. Then get them tweeting about it and then call a congressman.

  113. By Denise Grady and Katie Thomas
    March 19, 2020

    President Trump on Thursday exaggerated the potential of drugs available to treat the new coronavirus. . . .

    These chicks are publishing an opinion piece in the “news” section of the NYT. What are their qualifications?

  114. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    This NYT piece is laid out as if the most salient feature is Trump’s over-enthusiastic optimism. ffs
    The anti-Trump virus is stronger than coronavirus.

    He’s actually beginning to impress me. I can imagine a Barack Obama being presented with such options and, putting finger thoughtfully to his lower lip, ruminating on the political ramifications. Hillary? She would’ve decided to run the effort out of the oval office, lest someone else get credit, and wrecked it as good as her healthcare initiative.
    It’s good to have someone who’s a relative political novice and desperate only to make this go away.

  115. Realist says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    One way or another, war was inevitable.

    Perhaps, but if Germany had limited its action to reuniting prior German territory, wrongly, taken by the Treaty of Versailles and forced migration of Jews…they would probably have prevailed. Hitler way over extended himself and that was his downfall.

  116. jim jones says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I intend to drink plenty of Whiskey and Gin & Tonics, I will report back later as to their effect At least I am not laboring under the emotional burden of being female:

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  117. @Anonymous

    What is the source of the chart? Is it: Raoult et al. “Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial” (March 2020) ?

  118. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    Performance art by the retarded.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/youtube-prankster-horrifies-public-by-licking-subway-pole-amid-pandemic/

    Click on some of his other efforts linked in the article. He puts vids up on World Star Hip-Hop. Not a surprise.

  119. @Hhsiii

    “Spanish flu mutated and the second wave killed the young and healthy. So we don’t know how this plays out. But I get you’re bored and wanna go to a bar.”

    Wrong, boomer. I don’t want forced participation in Joe Biden’s 2020 election strategy and don’t want a Democratic Party-manufactured economic depression. There you go projecting your desires onto me like a typical narcissistic boomer.

    • Replies: @HA
    , @Hhsiii
  120. @t

    People forget —

    During the Depression. FDR kicked all the Mexican agricultural workers out of California so that Americans could take the jobs.

  121. Dumbo says:

    I don’t know if it proceeds, but I’ve just read (at a comment at AK’s blog) that the reason for the much lower number of deaths in Germany in comparison with Italy or Spain is simply the counting method:

    Germans only add respiratory failure fatalities towards Corona death toll, Italians count any death of a Corona positive patient.

    So maybe many more old people are dying in Germany but their deaths are being counted as something else (whatever other extra disease they have)?

    I mean, even in cases of co-morbidity, it certainly doesn’t help to have a new disease on top of the old ones, it’s too much for the organism.

  122. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Now that the news media has to report real news the reader has to develop a method for decontaminating the news of its trumpavirus. The mandatory anti-Trump spin is the contaminated package one has to clean before accessing the actual article inside.

  123. @Jonathan Mason

    (Pandemic–a disease prevalent over a whole country or the world.)

    Describes the British race perfectly.

  124. Muggles says:

    I’m pretty sure I’m the only one here who has actually taken chloroquine for malaria. Contracted that in Cairo while at the Giza Hilton in the late 70s, which for some reason had no shower curtains but plenty of malarial mosquitoes.

    After suffering extreme fever and chills overnight, I was taken to the American Hospital in Cairo where a bored doctor administered a quick test and handed me a bottle of these little white pills. After about ten days I was all better. No side effects. Fortunately this was not the reoccurring kind of malaria, but my blood donations since then are only used for research purposes.

    Interesting that this may also be helpful for COVID-19.

    • Replies: @Federalist
    , @anon
  125. @Anon

    Hoffman doesn’t make up for his Jewish European born contemporaries Abe Foxman and George Soros who came to America after the war with a mission to destroy.

    You can’t be serious, Foxman is a minor irritant, Soros is the Prince of Darkness.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  126. Not Raul says:
    @Steve Sailer

    State health agencies regularly “anonymize” medical data for research purposes. Doing so doesn’t take many lines of code, and people who deal with medical data already do so frequently. It’s pretty much just as easy to do it as not do it.

    There is no need for a complete suspension of HIPAA.

    Researchers generally prefer anonymized data, since it decreases the risk that they might accidentally release damaging personal information; and if HIPAA is completely discarded, there will be a huge jump in fraud, which would be an additional crisis.

  127. theMann says:
    @Known Fact

    “with minimal evidence”

    Pretty much describes the entire current crisis.

  128. Anon[310] • Disclaimer says:

    If an antiviral medication works on rheumatoid arthritis, that would tend to argue that rheumatoid arthritis is caused by a virus. More works needs to be done there.

  129. utu says:
    @Jack D

    ” How many future Nobelists were consumed in the fires of Auschwitz…” – Every gentile Nobel Prize Laureate should be told he owes his prize to Auschwitz or perhaps Nobel Prize Committee shoulda stop awarding Nobel prizes to gentiles altogether and the Nobel Prize ceremony every year could be held at Auschwitz.

    “DNA was an American/British discovery.” – Crick and Watson are good example. They were just the second best. The rightful discoverers of the DNA structure “were consumed in the fires of Auschwitz.”

    • Replies: @Keypusher
  130. JimB says:
    @epebble

    Seems to suggest mobility from China is the catalyst. Not really surprising since it was born in China.

    Perhaps not surprising, but it is solid evidence that Covid-19 is a Chinese virus, not an Italian virus. And so immigration and trade policies never debated or voted on by the American people brought it to us. Somebody should be punished.

    • Replies: @Anon
  131. J.Ross says:

  132. Awbnid says:
    @Jack D

    When it comes to off-label prescribing, generally speaking a doctor is allowed to do whatever he or she wants so long as it doesn’t amount to malpractice. Now, lawyers are apt to try and make a malpractice case out of anything, but I imagine they’d be pissing up a rope on this one.

    It is correct, though, a drug company would get a rash of shit from the FDA if they advertised to doctors to do anything off-label.

  133. @Jonathan Mason

    Well, Trump has completely lost the plot today. At this conference, he completely shat his pants and could not think of anything to say in response to a softball question that was lobbed at him, so he completely shat his pants and had to be taken away by his nurses.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/03/20/trump-message-to-americans-coronavirus-presser-vpx.cnn

    • Replies: @res
  134. Charon says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Don’t be too quick to dismiss the NYT’s view of the current situation. I take their point quite seriously and I believe it’s time that we come together as a nation and divert the resources we’ve been wasting on this coronavirus hoax to the far more pressing issues around women of color and their various hair treatments.

    Consider: what would be the ultimate benefit to society by saving tens or hundreds of thousands of lives if the supply of new hair care products were curtailed? That’s right: none.

    Women with frizzy hair have suffered long enough at the hands of the medical-industrial complex. It’s time for white people to step back and let women of color and their various hair issues take precedence. Thank you.

  135. J.Ross says:
    @kaganovitch

    Foxman (who I believe is retired now) is the face of Hate Hoaxing as an institution, the reason those Jews in Jersey and New York died while the FBI tracked Phantom Nazis. Soros is a terrorist who sponsors riots, Foxman made the ADL (and its organizationally unconnected cousin the SPLC) a de facto government agency enforcing unfree speech so FBI hands can stay clean and unpersonning wrongthinkers. So really Foxman is probably bigger (until you bring in Soros’s support of the Merkelboner).

  136. @t

    Unreal 20% unemployment and the agribusiness claims we have a labor shortage:

    https://www.fb.org/newsroom/farm-bureau-highlights-immediate-challenges-facing-the-agriculture-sec3

    we could have 90% unemployment and these people would still be complaining about a labor shortage.

    Unemployment rate is irrelevant. There is NEVER a labor shortage, even at 0% unemployment.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
  137. AKAHorace says:
    @kaganovitch

    This is nothing. Vice is here to reveal the real heartbreaking aspect of Corona-chan

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxekyz/transgender-surgeries-delayed-coronavirus-hospitals

    It gets worse Kaganovitch, the Corona virus is a disaster for feminism:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/03/feminism-womens-rights-coronavirus-covid19/608302/

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @keypusher
  138. Charon says:
    @El Dato

    Lindsay Graham has returned to his regular status of being a menace to civilized society. When it comes to being the enemies of the people, GOPe types try just as hard as Democrats.

  139. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @t

    we could have 90% unemployment and these people would still be complaining about a labor shortage.

    Well, sure, because for some strange reason people don’t want to work those jobs for the wages offered. It’s a total mystery than even smart economists like Cheap Chalupas can’t seen to figure out.

    I mean, c’mon, the law of supply and demand applies to stuff like oil, natural gas, Monongahela iron ingots, etc. Not labor! No way!

    Same stuff, different year.

  140. Charon says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    We young people will keep the world turning for The Duration.

    Good to hear! Does this mean you’ll learn how to operate something besides your phones?

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  141. Just what is going on in California — I hear the gov issue this heavy-duty stay-home order but Santa Anita and Golden Gate are still running. No fans but plenty of employees on site. Glad to see horse racing has been declared an essential industry, but still …

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  142. @Muggles

    Wasn’t this frequently given to U.S. military in Vietnam? Or was that something else?

    • Replies: @DRA
  143. anon[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Mylan ramps up production in West Virginia.

    https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/19/mylan-ramping-up-production-of-hydroxychloroquine.aspx

    Mylan has restarted production of its hydroxychloroquine sulfate tablets at its West Virginia manufacturing facility as a potential treatment for COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus. The company plans to have product available by mid-April and thinks it can ramp up to 50 million tablets, which could treat more than 1.5 million people.

  144. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Overheard:

    A seventysomething guy kvetching about his kids: “The other day, my kid told me, ‘Dad, stop being such a boomer.’ And his brother said the same thing. ‘You’re such a boomer.’ It’s like the word ‘boomer’ is an insult now. When did that happen?”

    In other news, I found a supermarket selling ground chuck today. First time in at least a week.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  145. Anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    The one study I’d like to see, and the one that may be the most important of all, would correlate blood type with smoking rate.

    I have a powerful suspicion that there’s a huge Covid-19 gulf between people with blood type A who smoke vs. blood type O who don’t smoke. I suspect type Os who don’t smoke are those who either aren’t getting the disease, or if they do, show few or no symptoms. The type As who smoke may be the ones ending up on respirators with bad cases.

    This study may emerge after it’s all over, but we don’t have any scientists tough enough to do it right now. It’s also hard when patients tend to lie to their doctors about whether they smoke or not.

  146. Dumbo says:
    @JUSA

    Germany actively tests and treat their people, so they have a low death rate of 0.3%.

    This low number may have more to do with their method of counting. But they do have more ventilators and beds for critical patients, so they may be at an advantage. They also have a better public health and are in general more organized.

    It’s just like when the rest of the Western world was busy conquering and enslaving the third world during colonial times, Germans stayed home,

    This was not because of the goodness of their heart, but, being mostly inland and not having developed a large navy, and not even being a unified nation at the time, they came late to imperialism and colonialism. But they tried it in Africa for a while.

    wrote beautiful classical music, gave the world Protestantism and philosophy.

    I wouldn’t count Protestantism about the positives. Bavaria is mostly catholic and it’s still the richest and best German region. Philosophy was developed by the Greeks. Classical music yes, they are at the top, but the Italians can also be pretty good.

    Hitler was right about one thing: Germans are the best race on earth.

    The Germans, like all people, have positive and negative things. They are admirable in some ways, not so much in others. Those who count only their positive aspects are not seeing the whole story.

  147. Anon7 says:

    People have been wondering for weeks why Africa isn’t also reporting coronavirus outbreaks. Has anyone correlated low coronavirus infections with endemic malaria? I’m also wondering if routine use of anti-malarial drugs confers some resistance to the coronavirus.

    Malaria seems to have similar symptoms to the coronavirus; maybe anti-malarial drugs are available over the counter, and people have just been dosing themselves. Or maybe overworked doctors ( there are like one doctor to forty thousand people in subsaharan Africa) just tried them on what they thought might be malaria, and they worked.

    Also, there are areas of Mexico in which malaria is endemic; you can buy chloroquine over the counter.

  148. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

    Legit medical site with only doctors allowed to comment…. here they are discussing chloroquine and the Raoult study in detail.

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927033

    THIS IS REAL INFO FROM PROS

  149. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

    Forgot to include medscape article header…

    COVID-19: Could Hydroxychloroquine Really Be the Answer?

    Aude Lecrubier

    March 18, 2020

    137Read Comments

    Could the old generic malaria drug hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil, Sanofi-Aventis, among others), which is also used for the treatment of rheumatic disease, be an essential treatment for COVID-19?

  150. Anon[124] • Disclaimer says:

    Someone notes that China Mobile lost 8 million accounts in January and February. Although some think they’re all dead, I suspect a simpler explanation. Since the Chinese are all under quarantine, most of them can’t go to work, so they weren’t able to pay the phone bill and dropped their service. I bet a lot of families who bought service for their kid have cut it off as an unnecessary luxury, or gone to just 1 phone per husband and wife.

  151. res says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Hopefully they will come up with a vaccine for TDS soon.

  152. Corvinus says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Overruled. People regardless of their age who are living now have a right to live. It is our duty to help those who are sick to provide medical aid so they can feel well.

  153. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:

    New York City hospitals are already straining under the onslaught of novel coronavirus cases, even as state officials say the real peak of the outbreak is nearly a month and a half away.

    Doctors at the largest public hospital in New York say equipment shortages have resulted in them wearing the same masks for as long as a week. Emergency-room physicians at another hospital are having to reuse gowns. Some large hospitals already have exceeded the capacity of their intensive-care units.

    At least one city hospital, faced with dwindling supply of ventilators amid the surge of coronavirus patients, had to seek more from a sister hospital.

    “We’re getting pounded,” said Mangala Narasimhan, a doctor at the Long Island Jewish Medical Center, part of Northwell Health, the largest hospital system in New York. “I’ve been in ICU care for 15 years, and this is the worst I have ever seen things.”

    New York hospitals are getting pounded. Which is how this seems to “prove” itself. Whatever NY is getting now, it is a function of active cases 2 weeks ago and will have to weather roughly 4X the pounding in 2 more weeks.

    So how did all these patients emerge? Not likely from hysteria.

  154. @Jack D

    These people are your parents and grandparents (and maybe even you). They have wives, children, grandchildren, friends, etc. – they have as much right to live as anyone. People are being much too dismissive here.

    Jack they have as much right to live as anyone.

    However, they do not inherently have any right to a specific set of public policy measures demanding that *other* people do X, Y and Z. Those are inherently political decisions that balance interests.

    And in any balancing it’s just a plain fact that old people in plain fact have fewer years left and have “lived their lives”. The virus is in my dad’s wing of his retirement center. (They didn’t test him because he had no fever, but a bunch of folks they tested had it.) I hope it doesn’t kill him. (Doesn’t sound like a good way to go.) But he lived his life–got through the depression and the War, married a terrific woman, had a couple wonderful kids, had a bunch of retirement years with his grandchildren around and lots of world travel. At his age his mean life expectancy is about two years! If this is it … it’s not a national crisis.

    I’m retired now and look forward to my retirement years. I’m hoping to go another 25 or 30. But my kids–coming ramping into their productive years and (hopefully) finding spouses and having children are way way way way … way**(really big n) more valuable than i am–both personally and overwhelmingly to the nation.

    I’m for an aggressive but reasonable public policy response:
    — sick people stay home; stay home if someone in your family is sick
    — isolation procedures for retirement and nursing homes
    — everyone wear a mask in indoor public venues
    — encourage companies to remote office work that is remoteable
    — have alcohol gel at entrances to public buildings–stores, etc.
    — up hygiene–cleaning with bleach–for stores, public buildings, hotels, restaurants, etc.
    — stop breathe-all-over-each other entertainment; restaurants should thin out for reasonable separation and enforce “no signs of sickness” policy; people should be encouraged to do carry out and eat at home.

    But there is no particular reason all travel and entertainment must cease. In particular i see no reason not to fly. Add 15 minutes to the turn around to wipe down everything with bleach. Everyone wears a mask. Turn on your filtered cabin air. There’s no particular reason various public facilities have to close if everyone’s wearing masks.

    We’re not doing the mask thing, which is easy and along with sick people staying home would probably be enough to push the reproduction ration below 1. (Because–as i’ve noted–our globalist elites are not just evil, but incompetent.)

    But increasingly the authorities want to shut down this that and the other thing. (AnotherMom was just went to the library–closed as non-essential. C’mon, you don’t even need a human to check a book out and the desk clerks can wear masks.)

    My suggestions might not be the correct ones. But the point is the cost/benefit thing is arguable.

  155. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry just realized the medscape link hides the article… try this link to see article and excellent comments

    ……..

    this just crossed my desk from Medscape.

    Medscape is a respectable medical site for physicians.

    Medscape it saying yes, why not? the reseach looks good

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927033?src=WNL_trdalrt_200320_MSCPEDIT&uac=54642EX&impID=2317432&faf=1

  156. Forbes says:
    @vhrm

    Yes, of course, NYT claims Trump exaggerated–except when they provide a direct quote:

    “I think it’s going to be very exciting,” he said. “I think it could be a game changer, and maybe not.”

    WOW! Some exaggeration. Not.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  157. Realist says:
    @Jack D

    You blockquoted my comment but didn’t reply to me…are you unable to figure out how this blog works?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Jack D
  158. @Buzz Mohawk

    Righto lad. Stand to.
    I was suspicious of the sugary water (schweppes, it’s been changed horribly, like all mixers and spirits since I were a lad). Got some woman in the New World to send me a bag of the ground up bark, maybe 5 years ago. Stuck it a 2l jar of russki standart (old sweetie jar from a shop). Yow! needs sugar, like Campari (rhubarb root). But feels extraordinarily medicinal. No wonder everyone’s hoarding bumwipe.

  159. Realist says:
    @JUSA

    It is sad that the FDA is too goddamn stupid to approve this drug…it has only been around 86 years.

  160. Forbes says:
    @fnn

    Exactly.

    It’s also regulatory arbitrage. Moving jobs where government health, safety, and labor regulations are less–minimal or non-existent.

  161. @Jonathan Mason

    I am not looking forward to catching corona virus, would rather avoid it, and do not wish to die since I have young children who need two parents.

    No wonder GexXers and Millenials are mad at us Boomers.

    Dirty old men like Mason have grabbed up their girls!

    (BTW–Congratulations.)

  162. @indocon

    I’m with you; back when I could drink the suds (and before my gluten intolerance kicked in) I just couldn’t get into the IPAs. Seems every microbrewery is trying to outbid every other one in the contest to see who can create the bitterest IPA.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  163. Forbes says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Professor Sachs is confused about the difference between Nordic countries and Scandinavian countries. Finland is Nordic, but not Scandinavian.

    And as to his observations, there’s an inherent contradiction with being “in it all together,” when our institutions and government promote diversity–difference–as the highest virtue.

    Sachs has been drinking the identity politics that promotes tribal separation, not togetherness.

  164. @Jack D

    Scientifically Einstein had of course absolutely nothing to do with the development of the atom bomb – the sole contribution of the supposed “pacifist” was to lobby for its construction.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  165. @Federalist

    Trump should publicly call on Congress should pass a law today that goes around all of the FDA crap that allows physicians at their discretion to prescribe chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to patients who they suspect have coronavirus.

    This is already what the law is and has been since the FDA was created. You are literally describing what current law is. Physicians at their discretion can describe literally anything for anything. The FDA only regulates advertising and marketing of drugs, (and things like purity and sterility of manufacturing facilities). They do not, and never have, dictated what it actually gets used for.

    There is nothing stopping physicians from prescribing chloroquine if they feel it is indicated. Please stop hysterically calling for the law to be changed…to what it currently is (and always has been.)

    The two real issues are 1.) does chloroquine actually work, and if so, how well? As anyone who has taken malaria prophylaxis can tell you, this is not a completely benign drug, particularly for those who are already critically ill. Early studies have shown promise, but remember if the standard is p > 0.05 then you will get 1/20 false positives in the literature, even in well designed studies, and these early studies are not exactly paragons of gold standard study design. If it turns out the early studies are flawed you could hurt more people than you help. And 2.) supply issues–hospitals don’t stock large amounts of malaria drugs, generally, so I expect there will be shortages if it does appear to work and becomes the standard.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @Federalist
  166. @Captain Tripps

    Used to be, everybody drank Dark and Mild, maybe shift up a gear to Best. But only on match-days.
    IPA was pretty much unheard of, except in little bottles, like a Worthington, minus the rectum-voiding live yeast.
    X, XX and Triple X
    And no fucker drank cider, except women.

    The scotch beastmen beyond The Wall will recall this as 60/-, 70/-, 80/-, [and a wee heavy pal gonny cut in a wee black bottle ken? Wee hauf ‘n’hauf?]

    [They wish they were dead, at least in the male line, like most defeated aboriginal peoples]

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
  167. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I am nearly 70 and in reasonable, but not exceptionally good health, mainly because of being overweight. I ride a bike for about 15 minutes a day and play fetch with the dog. (Me throw ball, she does the running and catching.)

    I had pneumonia and nearly died in 1958 when I was 7.

    I also had very bad flu in the winter of 1975, and I am sure I was made much sicker due to the fact that I was smoking 2 packs a day of cigarettes at the time.

    I am not looking forward to catching corona virus, would rather avoid it, and do not wish to die

    Sad to break it to you; the decks are stacked heavily against you. So, what policy the government does will not matter much to you.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  168. @Forbes

    Timothy Crimmins pointed out, as in Shakespeare plays, the Fool is the only one allowed to speak truth to the King, Trump is his own Shakespearean fool.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  169. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Probably right but overstated. Virtually everyone with money and means got out. In the early years holocaust survivors were disrespected as losers (see Tony Judt).

    Still there had to have been a lot of talent wasted there, yes. But then a lot of that talent would have been put to the civilizational grinding wheel of Marxism, Freudianism, Critical Race Theory, Feminism, postmodernism…
    Maybe it’s a wash.

    I’ll take a healthier, if slightly poorer (in economic terms), society any f—ing day.

    Ironically, without you we might be dumber but more enlightened. We are dumber because of smart Jews–Gould, Boaz, Freud and the culture of lies we live under. And that is killing us.

    You can have all that precious Jewish genius–and malice–to your damn self.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  170. Latest Politico poll is interesting. All this for nothing. Media just can’t move public sentiment like it could even in 2006. Twitter was the coup de grace to media credibility to much idpol crap from putatively balanced reporters.

    And Democratic politicians really can’t operate in the new environment. The kind of message control that Bill and Barak could have when the media was assaulting their opponents with a thousand cuts simply isn’t possible when people aren’t being persuaded by the media. And the more issues you have to bring up on your own the more likely you get “cling to guns and religion” type comments. Which is granted is basically the Democratic platform at this point.

  171. Jim Given says:

    I’m sure you got the central point of this NY Times article:

    “That Donald Trump is awful and you can’t believe a word he says!”

  172. Stephen says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I believe HIPAA was lobbied for by the big pharmaceuticals on the pretext of protecting the public’s privacy when in reality they wanted to suppress data mining research that would have shown that the psychotropic drugs they brided the FDA (and foreign equivalents) to allow on the market have caused a genocide of patients through akathisia and chemically induced temporary suicidal (and sometimes homocidal) psychosis. HIPAA should probably be abolished because it exists to hide the dangerousness and quackishness of these trashy drugs given out to people suferring from grief, neurotics, and even genuine psychotics and oftens injure or kill patients. The fact that this scam prevents us from finding out information about coronavirus is just an extra reason to end HIPAA.

  173. Alfa158 says:
    @Realist

    The invasion of Poland was in response to Poland’s refusal to return former German territories. Hitler miscalculated that the Western Allies who had guaranteed Poland’s borders would act as they did in previous annexations and not go to war. That was a mistake, particularly since he had already assured the military that there would be no war before 1943, by which time Germany would have had time to finish rearming and, in particular, equipping the military with the resources needed to fight an aggressive war over long distances.

  174. @Expletive Deleted

    The scotch beastmen beyond The Wall will recall this as 60/-, 70/-, 80/-, [and a wee heavy pal gonny cut in a wee black bottle ken? Wee hauf ‘n’hauf?]

    Hey, whoa! I resemble that remark! Just kidding; my ancestors were Scottish, Irish AND English! Yes, the English rolled the Scots, and they also enjoyed their women too; but, according to that film “Mrs. Brown”, good ol’ Queen V enjoyed her Scottish “horseman”! Aye Lassie!

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  175. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @anon

    Sad to break it to you; the decks are stacked heavily against you. So, what policy the government does will not matter much to you.

    Are you high? Am I missing the sarc?

  176. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “So we need legislation or emergency decrees allowing data mining for coronoavirus medicines, HIPAA be damned.”

    That is for citizens to decide by way of their representatives. Besides, I thought we cannot trust the Deep State with our precious information.

  177. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’ve already said before that you need to balance cost against benefit – shut down the entire US economy so that 1 old geezer lives 6 more weeks no. Lock down to save millions of lives (even old ones) – yes. Your suggestions might have done the trick a month ago but a month ago our leaders were still dicking around. Now the cat is out of the bag and only extreme measures will put it back.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  178. @Captain Tripps

    Ancient ghaidhilig proverb
    “Gettit fuckin’ up ye!”
    It has not yet played me false.

    “Of all the money, I ever had ..”
    You’re a good lad, I can tell my own.
    Come round by Bury or Bolton, we want boys such as you are.

  179. Corvinus says:

    https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-covid-19-and-silicon-valleys-into-it

    Promising, but with caveats.

    The chloroquine document Todaro and Rigano wrote spread almost—sorry about this—virally. But even though some people are hyping this is a treatment, it still has not yet undergone a large-scale randomized control trial, the gold standard for evaluating whether a medical intervention like a drug actually works. Until that happens, most physicians and researchers would say that chloroquine can’t be any kind of magic bullet. “Many drugs, including chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine, work in cells in the lab against coronaviruses. Few drugs have been shown to work in an animal model,” says Matthew Frieman, a microbiologist who studies therapeutics against coronaviruses at the University of Maryland. What happens if you put the drugs into animals? No one knows yet. Probably nothing bad, because they’ve been used for decades. But maybe they don’t actually help a person fight off the virus.

  180. @PiltdownMan

    Quinine can cause, among other things, hypoglycemia, confusion, rash, seizures, nausea, hearing disturbances, vision changes, chest pain or bleeding. Bottoms up!

  181. @Jonathan Silber

    Corona-chan shutting down the Camp of the Saints would be terrific news.

  182. Corvinus says:
    @AnotherDad

    “But my kids–coming ramping into their productive years and (hopefully) finding spouses and having children are way way way way … way**(really big n) more valuable than i am–both personally and overwhelmingly to the nation.”

    The older generation needs to stick around to help the youngsters understand the ways of the world and harness their exuberance and innovation. So, no, I do not view it as older people being “less valuable”.

    • Replies: @Poco
  183. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    We young people will keep the world turning for The Duration. The world can, and will, go on without boomers.

    It would be funny to watch you chat up a girl in real life after the power goes off and the mobile networks drop. Your generation may actually be the last.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  184. J.Ross says:
    @Known Fact

    Anonymous rumors, but consistent across far-flung places, and they square with various confirmations: government isolation orders work for people in or from high trust societies. Sun People do as they please. Rumors specific to California, but borne out by pictures and video: idiotic 100% preventable panicking over groceries.
    tldr
    Even if the government acts correctly, the stupidity of the people can cancel out gains.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  185. @Steve Sailer

    Surely there must be someone left in the Trump family to be nepotistically picked for this role.

  186. J.Ross says:
    @Realist

    Just be happy that his reasonable, relevant, sober, and informative response was not held up in automatic moderation, you Nazi.

  187. @ben tillman

    Unemployment rate is irrelevant. There is NEVER a labor shortage, even at 0% unemployment.

    True. Raise the wages, and you have all the labor you need.

  188. vhrm says:
    @Jack D

    There is no strong reason to believe that the current “extreme measures” are more effective than the middle of the road ones that would be had at say, 1% or 5% of the cost.

    And the extreme measures as currently presented are also just a panic spasm with no next step or endgame.

    Do we stay at this level for a year and then have 14 day quarantine periods for international travelers in perpetuity?

    In only a few months the excess death from stress, lack of exercise and depression is going to be higher than from corona.

    Also,I’m guessing a lot of boomers are more pissed off about what just happened to their investments and their jobs and their kids’ investments and jobs than they are afraid of dying from coronavirus.

  189. northeast says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Shut up, you imbecile. There’s nothing more shallow than this random intergenerational squabbling as if Boomer, Gen-X or any of those arbitrary designations meant anything. It’s intellectual laziness.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  190. @Charon

    “Does this mean you’ll learn how to operate something besides your phones?”

    Does a toaster count?

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @RadicalCenter
  191. Glaivester says: • Website

    Are we ramping up production of Azithromycin as well?

  192. @Anonymous

    I’m starting to feel optimistic here just an hour after learning of two cases connected to me.

  193. @Stan Adams

    In other news, I found a supermarket selling ground chuck today. First time in at least a week.

    That’s easy.

    Try to find one with paper towels and toilet paper, then get back to us.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  194. MG says:

    Is Dr. Fauci trying to slow-walk Hydroxichloroquine? Michael Savage warned about him the other day. See this –

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  195. @AnotherDad

    AnotherMom was just went to the library–closed as non-essential.

    I’m sure you enjoy the physical sensation of actually reading a book, but you can find a ton of material here:

    http://www.pdfdrive.com

  196. @vhrm

    Yes I noticed this too. Also, Trump is really right on the substance here. They ARE approved by the FDA for other indications. That means they are generally accepted as safe, so taking them if they even if later discover they are not actually effective for Coronavirus is not a terrible idea, which is of course the reality to which Trump is referring.

    Also it’s not black magic to think they might work. There’s papers from multiple labs around the world showing a direct antiviral effect in vitro at low micromolar concentrations (which can be reached in the serum) against SARS or the current virus.

    Fauci is also right, of course. One small non blinded trial could be wrong. There was a convincing clinical trial for lopanivir’s lack of activity in NEJM just a week ago. That could come out for chloroquine any day. But we probably, at this point, should act like chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine will have some activity and start ramping up manufacture. There’s evidence it works in vitro, there’s a little bit of data and lots of anecdotes that it is active, and if it does have activity on the high side of what’s plausible it could be a game changer. It’s also super cheap so manufacturing 5 billion doses for the US is a drop in the bucket compared to what the lockdowns, economic chaos, and stimulus packages are going to cost. But some woke scold at the NYT needs to well actually Trump because it’s not proven to work yet. Of course it’s not proven to work yet. Getting it in place before we are sure it works, while we figure out if it does, is what an effective leader would do.

  197. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Enochian

    Yes, the FDA drastically restricts the quinine content of quininne water.

    I used to get horrific leg cramps and when quinine leg cramp pills were sold , it worked very well. But the FDA took them off the market and doctors were cautioned not to write quinine for leg cramps. I get quinine in Mexico when I go down there, along with vanilla and a few other things, but any more I never go there-it’s just too dangerous.

    As Bob Whitaker said, it’s about POWER.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  198. vhrm says:
    @J.Ross

    Well, if you shut down all the venues where congregation can happen it help some…

    But one thing we can be thankful for is that this started among the ice people and they’ve been hit exclusively so far in the US (afaik).

    Can you imagine the sjw political wailing if this were hitting NAMs harder (or at all)? omg they’d milk it for decades as “proof” of America’s racism. So far that’s one bullet we’ve dodged.

    But if this breaks into those high obesity/diabetes/high blood-pressure populations… we may yet get burned on this front.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  199. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dennis Dale

    Ironically, without you we might be dumber but more enlightened. We are dumber because of smart Jews–Gould, Boaz, Freud and the culture of lies we live under. And that is killing us.

    The fundamental problem is not Jews, it’s us. Jews are a catalyst, and a highly intelligent ethnically cohesive people with what from their perspective is a reason to want to deracinate the white race, but they are not the fundamental problem. Revilo Oliver made that explicit and he was right

  200. DRA says:
    @Federalist

    Something else, I would guess. What they gave all of us in Vietnam was to prevent malaria, not to treat it.

    • Replies: @anon
  201. @northeast

    “There’s nothing more shallow than this random intergenerational squabbling as if Boomer, Gen-X or any of those arbitrary designations meant anything. It’s intellectual laziness.”

    Calm thineself, boomer – stress is hard on the immune system. And remember to self-quarantine for The Duration. GenX will keep the lights on for you.

  202. Keypusher says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Yes, what possible ill effects could come from murdering six million mostly smart people?

  203. J.Ross says:
    @vhrm

    Follow-up: apparently there’s a Facebook group for videos of teenagers spitting on groceries. Thank god none of the teenagers expressed patriotic sentiments or Facebook would have shut them down.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  204. Jack D says:
    @Realist

    Perhaps you are unable to figure out how English works?

  205. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles

    I’m pretty sure I’m the only one here who has actually taken chloroquine for malaria

    I took it as a prophylactic when travelling through sketchy parts of Indonesia way back when.

  206. @anon

    They can pay all they want. White people are unable to pick fruits and vegetables, day after day, 8 hours a day. Unable. It’s not that they don’t want to. They are unable. They are literally too weak.

    Picking fruits and vegetables is very very very very very very hard.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Philip Owen
  207. Jack D says:
    @Menschmaschine

    I think that Goebbels wasn’t referring to Einstein in particular, just as a stand in for “Jewish scientists” to make the point that German science would go on without Jews. That was true in a sense (although modern German is surprisingly lacking in top ranked universities even compared to Switzerland) but he missed the part where he would murder his six children and his wife and then commit suicide so he wouldn’t be around to see it.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  208. vinteuil says:
    @vhrm

    they can’t help themselves but to frame the whole thing as an anti-Trump issue.

    Yeah, pretty much. They just can’t help themselves. No point in trying to reason with them.

  209. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    get quinine in Mexico when I go down there, along with vanilla and a few other things

    Mexican vanilla is not real anymore – they make it out of chemicals (vanillin, extracted from wood pulp). Nevertheless, it’s very tasty, maybe even better than the real stuff (which has its own problems nowadays and which has become super expensive). Just don’t pay like more than $1/bottle for it because that’s all it’s worth. Now that the US has a billion Mexicans (something like that) you don’t need to go there any more to get Mexican vanilla or anything else – Mexico has come to you and you can get it here.

    Actually what I like the best is to mix the real stuff with the Mexican stuff 50/50 – the sum is greater than the parts and that way the cost is averaged. No one does this commercially because they would have to label it as artificial and no one will pay the average price for something labeled artificial.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  210. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “We young people…”

    ffs, listen to yourself. This is pathological.
    I recall a story about some deluded sixties radical addressing a crowd with “we, the enlightened ones…”

    These crises tend to make most people ease up. Then there’s the nasty f–ks…

  211. Lagertha says:
    @El Dato

    Finland is sensible and, the Happiest Country in the World, yey!

    And, they don’t have a two party system where the losing party has been lusting, down-right horny, for a high death count so they can blame Trump for this failure. Plus, globalists are pissed that offensive orange man signed a deal with a China which ultimately was cowed, to Trump’s trade deal in early winter.

    This Covid hysteria/lockdown is a terrible crime against humanity, right now. The media has been absolutely disgusting – I almost hope they and their loved ones suffer somehow, for their bloodlust against the American people. Kharma is a bitch and dishonest people better be aware of that fact.

    Amoral and dishonest people are gonna cave when their conscience invades their thoughts – stuff will come out. The truth is something desperate people can not hide from the innocent.

  212. Lagertha says:
    @MG

    I despise Fauci – he’s annoying and smarmy….his reptilian face always spews out stuff that undermines Trump – get rid of him!

  213. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @DRA

    What they gave all of us in Vietnam was to prevent malaria, not to treat it.

    It’s used as a preventative and to treat.

  214. @Jonathan Mason

    I am one of them. I am nearly 70 and in reasonable, but not exceptionally good health, mainly because of being overweight. I ride a bike for about 15 minutes a day and play fetch with the dog. (Me throw ball, she does the running and catching.)

    How considerate of her!

  215. Lagertha says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    well, Buzz, that was the discussion in Finland: akvavit with tonic or solo? Vodka tonic or straight? I prefer either, with grapefruit juice and a dash of black currant. And, I drink apple cider vinegar daily (just a little). So far so good. Haven’t tried the vinegar with vodka, but maybe after 3 drinks ;D

  216. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    You sound like you are generation Z. I’m a millennial born in 90 and I prefer old grey boomers to you guys. At least they have some taste and you can have a conversation with them without it getting pointlessly edgy.

    The world will lose a lot of relatively creative, intelligent people if they lose boomers. Can’t say the same about Z. Maybe it will lose some memes, that’s been your generation’s most noteworthy contribution so far.

    You guys don’t even have an original style. You wear the ghetto version of millennial hipster clothes.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  217. @Federalist

    Unfortunately even if they prescribe it, supply is low across the US and there is a wait at most pharmacies.

    I renewed my old prescription for it (I have a mild autoimmune disorder basically in remission) but had to call several pharmacies to get it yesterday. They told me I was lucky, because they are about to run out, too. They were already out of the high dose of the drug.

  218. @Jonathan Silber

    Areas of recent Muslim immigration in the UK also show high infection rates. I suspect TB carriers especially in the over 70’s when antibiotics weren’t around. There is a short Chinese paper on TB and COVID-19. There is a strong overlap with severe cases. Makes sense of Italy. Not so developed 70+ years ago. Wartime Hunger too.

  219. @obwandiyag

    Areas of recent Muslim immigration in the UK also show high infection rates. I suspect TB carriers especially in the over 70’s when antibiotics weren’t around. There is a short Chinese paper on TB and COVID-19. There is a strong overlap with severe cases. Makes sense of Italy. Not so developed 70+ years ago. Wartime Hunger too.

  220. @obwandiyag

    I picked potatoes in the school holidays in the 1960’s. Most kids managed one or two bags, got small money and gave up. I stayed and was also asked to overlook. Much better money. Not so hard because the original pickers were so negligent. Your back aches, your hands get chapped. The sun or the wind or the rain is misery making. Unimaginable for today’s youth.

  221. Sparkon says:
    @JUSA

    Hope Churchill and FDR are burning in hell. The world is now reaping what they sowed.

    Hey! What about Uncle Joe Stalin, if you’re talking about sustainable fuel for Beelzebub’s Burn Box?

    Now this:

    Important information

    Taking hydroxychloroquine long-term or at high doses may cause irreversible damage to the retina of your eye. Stop taking this medicine and call your doctor at once if you have trouble focusing, if you see light streaks or flashes in your vision, or if you notice any swelling or color changes in your eyes.

    https://www.drugs.com/hydroxychloroquine.html

  222. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The gin definitely has medicinal properties.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  223. @Jack D

    Many of the generic drugs that are currently on the market are already made in India. Look closely at your prescription bottles.

    Exactly.

    I’ll post the article I read, with statistics, when I find it, but an overwhelming proportion of feedstock raw chemicals come from China, supplied to mostly India, which then manufactures/synthesizes the final pharmaceutical molecules.

    The pharmaceuticals that do happen to be “manufactured” in Western countries and the United States are mostly “compounded” or mixtures of finished pharmacologicals from India, and, increasingly, China, which is beginning to cut India out of the supply chain.

    Meanwhile, this article provides some insight.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-drugs-country-of-origin-20180515-story.html

    … some drug companies probably don’t want people knowing that 80% of active ingredients — yes, 80% — come from China and India.

    • Replies: @HA
  224. Poco says:
    @Corvinus

    No, older people are less valuable. This does not mean they are without value. But my children are more important than myself. I would die without a qualm, for them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @scrivener3
  225. MBlanc46 says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    The world might go on, but it won’t go on nearly as well.

  226. @Redneck farmer

    Most of the wildly overpriced medications (and the epi-pen) could be made here in the USA, with high standards of purity and quality control, relatively high wages and benefits for workers, and made widely available for far less than current US prices.

    Cut out the profiteering middlemen.

    Have a system of public laboratories and manufacturing facilities research, design, make, test, and distribute the medicines, with no need to enrich shareholders or overcompensate executives.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  227. CCZ says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The Quinism Foundation Warns of Dangers from Use of Antimalarial Quinolines Against COVID-19

    Use of Chloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine, Mefloquine, Quinine, and Related Quinoline Drugs Risks Sudden and Lasting Neuropsychiatric Effects from Idiosyncratic Neurotoxicity

    Executive Director Dr. Remington Nevin noted his concern that members of the public may even attempt to obtain therapeutic quantities of quinine through questionable channels. “Tonic water, whose bitter taste is produced by the addition of quinine or related naturally-occurring quinolines, is limited by U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulations to 83 mg per liter of quinine and related cinchona alkaloids,” said Dr. Nevin. “However, drinking several bottles of tonic water will result in consuming pharmaceutical quantities, and therefore potentially harmful, amounts of these drugs”, said Dr. Nevin. “Tonic water is a prescription medication masquerading as a cocktail mixer.”

    Dr. Nevin noted that mefloquine (previously marketed as Lariam) now contains a boxed warning, cautioning of the need to immediately discontinue the drug at the onset of even seemingly mild symptoms such as abnormal dreams, nightmares, insomnia, anxiety, depression, restlessness, or confusion, as these may be considered “prodromal to a more serious event”. “What could be more serious than anxiety, depression, restlessness, or confusion?” asked Dr. Nevin.

    Perhaps DEATH??

    The Quinism Foundation is a nonprofit charitable organization established to support education and research on chronic quinoline encephalopathy and other medical conditions caused by poisoning, or intoxication, by mefloquine, tafenoquine, chloroquine, and related quinoline drugs.

    https://quinism.org/press-releases/dangers-of-antimalarial-quinolines-against-covid-19/

  228. Keypusher says:
    @utu

    Thanks, damned decent of you, but the Jews win often enough.

  229. Keypusher says:
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Ah, the funhouse world of the Nazi-adjacent. I love the idea of a a few million poor slobs in Poland tricking and bribing the Allies into provoking the war — and how! Hitler was so provoked that he invaded/occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, the USSR…I’m sure I’m leaving out a few.

    Did the Allied provocation consist of giving Hitler whatever he wanted through Munich, and then treacherously deciding to stand up to him? Was it saying “if you invade Poland, we’ll declare war” and then perfidiously doing exactly that?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  230. @Keypusher

    I think Fawlty Towers summed up the history accurately.

  231. Anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Relax. Go polish your participation trophies.

  232. Anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “He’s an avid [wealthy] sportsman”. WHEEEEEEEE!

  233. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Quinine sulphate capsules were, and may still be, occasionally prescribed for leg cramps. My late mother took them occasionally and never experienced any adverse effects.

    • Replies: @anon
  234. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Crawfurdmuir

    My late mother took them occasionally and never experienced any adverse effects.

    “The dose makes the poison”.

  235. JimDandy says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    This is our moment, fellow GenX-er.

  236. @indocon

    Yes, the British did invent tonic water with quinine to tide over the malaria disease in India for their soldiers and administrators, bloody geniuses.

    A similar phenomenon underlay the popularity of absinthe in 19th-century France. This owed itself in good part to the use of the drink among French soldiers in Algeria to ward off malaria.

    There may have been something to the belief in its efficacy. Artemisinin, which was discovered in the 1970s to be an effective agent against falciparum malaria, is present in Artemisia annua (sweet wormwood, “sweet Annie,” or petite absinthe), one of the herbs used in the drink, though much less famously so than Artemisia absinthium (wormwood or grande absinthe), its principal botanical component.

    Wikipedia states that “Artemisinins are not used for malaria prevention because of the extremely short activity (half-life) of the drug. To be effective, it would have to be administered multiple times each day.” Of course, that was exactly what the French did with their absinthe!

  237. HA says:
    @PiltdownMan

    … some drug companies probably don’t want people knowing that 80% of active ingredients — yes, 80% — come from China and India.

    There’s a simple reason for that. (This was an issue that arose in Breaking Bad and the topic of meth precursors.) As I understand it, many of the cyclic molecules in hot-button compounds like meth and oxy and fentanyl come from things like castor beans (also prominently featured in Breaking Bad), whereas the acetyl and other side chain portions that get tacked on to the cyclic portions can be more easily sourced from petroleum companies.

    China and India are the main producers of castor beans (along with Brazil). I suspect the same is true for (legal) poppies and other farmed alkoloids that are the source of many of these “active ingredients” (that aren’t just dime-a-dozen petroleum derivatives).

  238. vhrm says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Dude, can you give it a rest with this anti-boomer stuff?

    You occasionally say interesting things, but this line of argument or taunting or joking or whatever you’re doing is weak sauce to begin with, and now it’s also played out.

  239. HA says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Wrong, boomer. I don’t want forced participation in Joe Biden’s 2020 election strategy and don’t want a Democratic Party-manufactured economic depression.”

    If you don’t want Trump to lose, you’re going to need to hang on to those boomers at least till November:

    More young people voted for Clinton, but that bloc did not include as many voters as those over 40, who as a majority voted for Trump.

    Like I said before, “come on and die already, Granny” does not seem to me to be the makings of a winning campaign slogan.

  240. vhrm says:
    @Jack D

    Funny you should mention this blending concept:

    A few months ago i found this on the shelf at a supermarket. I only used it in some lattes and for that low bar it was fine. (i assume it’s fine in general)

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076DDYN3R

    McCormick Concentrated Vanilla Flavor is a premium flavoring blended with real McCormick extract to create the warmth and richness you’ve come to expect from our vanilla products. Use it to add bourbon-vanilla taste and aroma to everything from baked goods to smoothies to pancakes. We’re offering this vanilla to you at a more familiar price. In the last few years, the cost of vanilla beans has increased steadily, which, in turn, affects the cost Pure Vanilla. Our McCormick Concentrated Vanilla Flavor enables you to enjoy a rich vanilla flavoring for less.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  241. Hhsiii says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I was born in ‘64 so not sure I really qualify.

    But enjoy your $1200 check. I make too much to get any freebies but glad to help.

    • Replies: @danand
  242. danand says:
    @Hhsiii

    “I was born in ‘64 so not sure I really qualify.”

    Hhsiii, as Maxwell Smart used to say “missed it by that much”.

    626F1E01-0BAC-4E16-807E-D096F9E0C831

    “In the U.S., some called Xers the “baby bust” generation because of a drop in birth rates following the baby boom. The drop in fertility rates in America began in the late 1950s. But according to authors William Strauss and Neil Howe (who use a twenty year span from 1961 to 1981 for their birth years), by 1991 there were approximately 88.5 million Xers in the U.S.”

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  243. Charon says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    You have bread?? Can I have some?

    [sfx: Marlene Dietrich “Black Market”]

  244. @El Dato

    Quite possible.

    Another explanation could be that she intends to run for office again in the future and wants their support, or at least not their active opposition and funding / favorable media coverage for her opponent.

    A third explanation is simplest: she’s not running for re-election to congress from Hawaii and needs a job.

    Disappointing but not surprising.

  245. Corvinus says:
    @Poco

    “No, older people are less valuable.”

    No. In American Indian education, within each tribe elders, “are repositories of cultural and philosophical knowledge and are the transmitters of such information”. That is what older (white) people bring to the table.

    “But my children are more important than myself. I would die without a qualm, for them.”

    I feel exactly the same way.

  246. @Jack D

    Is your goal to whip up hatred against Jews? Keep on trucking, bubby.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
  247. @jim jones

    The right response to this woman is, “we don’t hate you because of your ethnicity. We hate you because you’re a tiresome, whiny, belligerent bitch.”

  248. @Jack D

    he missed the part where he would murder his six children and his wife and then commit suicide so he wouldn’t be around to see it.

    I suspect he thought the Allies would wreak their (probably justified) vengeance on Germany on at least a 1-for-1 basis, with special treatment reserved for the German high command. That would have meant the elimination of half of the German population. He thought he’d die by his own hand instead of having his family starve to death making widgets for the Russians in some icy gulag. All in all, the Germans got off easy after the surrender, with only a tiny fraction of the men involved in atrocities killed and the general population’s lives spared. Given the tens of millions of people he had killed on the other side, Goebbels’s logic can’t be faulted – he expected not just to be killed, but to be killed slowly.

  249. Hhsiii says:
    @danand

    “Would you believe…”

  250. @SimpleSong

    If the FDA isn’t or really can’t hold up prescriptions of these drugs, then no new law is needed and I stand corrected. In my response to the original comment, I should have said that IF the FDA or other bureaucracies were standing in the way the use of these drugs, that could be legislated around easily.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  251. Jack D says:
    @vhrm

    Looks like a good product but at that price you could get pure vanilla extract. I hope you paid less at the supermarket.

    Real vanilla is some kind of racket now where not only has the price skyrocketed but the quality has gone down to the point where it is just not worth it. And testing has shown that for most baked goods you can’t taste the difference between real and high quality fake anyway. The thing that we identify as “vanilla” is a chemical called vanillin. That’s probably 90% of the flavor. The real stuff, being natural, has many other subtle flavors too. Maybe if you were drinking the stuff straight, you’d be able to taste those. But once you dilute 1 tsp of extract in a whole cake batter you’re not even going to be able to detect those other subtle notes.

  252. @Lagertha

    This Covid hysteria/lockdown is a terrible crime against humanity, right now. The media has been absolutely disgusting – I almost hope they and their loved ones suffer somehow, for their bloodlust against the American people. Kharma is a bitch and dishonest people better be aware of that fact.

    The media really has played up the idea this is an old person’s disease and largely ignored the fact that people of any age can catch and suffer grave consequences from it.

    I think the media does this because they all have the, “Forever 21,” mindset – they will always be young, hip, and invincible, unlike those filthy plebes in the sticks.

    Just look at the infantile crap continually posted by the WaPo staff or Katy “Phish/Fish Content” Tur.

    I rest my case.

  253. @MBlanc46

    Speaking of gin, I highly recommend Bulldog as a reasonably priced cut above the (perfectly good) everyday brands like Gordon’s and Beefeater. The extremely cool looking bottle looks nice sitting on the shelf and is a potential conversation starter.

    I do not recommend Tanqueray No. 10 Small Batch as a gin and tonic component. It’s character is far too light and citrusy to blend well with the tonic water’s sweetness.

    Avoid Aviator gin completely. Really harsh, even mixed in a gin and tonic. I hope that (the immaculate) Peloton wife only did that ad for Ryan Reynolds’ money.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  254. @JimDandy

    This is our moment, fellow GenX-er.

    Is it?

    I’ve only spent the last 40+ years hearing how worthless our cohort is.

  255. J1234 says:
    @Lagertha

    And, they don’t have a two party system where the losing party has been lusting, down-right horny, for a high death count so they can blame Trump for this failure. Plus, globalists are pissed that offensive orange man signed a deal with a China which ultimately was cowed, to Trump’s trade deal in early winter.

    This Covid hysteria/lockdown is a terrible crime against humanity, right now. The media has been absolutely disgusting –

    One thing that the media and the opposing party never seem to learn: For every political action, there is an equal and opposite (or sometimes even amplified) reaction. The NYT‘s lame and desperate attempt at turning coronavirus into “Trump’s Katrina” will become even more disgusting when the dust settles enough to examine their kid gloves treatment of Bill De Blasio’s ineptitude in dealing with the crisis (at the same time they were skewering Trump.) Biden’s accusations of “xenophobia” immediately after will be trotted out dozens of times a day during the general election in the fall. This will help Trump more than hurt him. And legitimize the arguments against open borders in a way organized advocacy never could.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  256. Keypusher says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Nope, he’s whipping the haters. The hatred is already whipped chez Unz.

  257. @The Alarmist

    It would seem that a higher percentage of “men” in his enlightened generation are more interested in chatting up other men.

  258. vinteuil says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Calm thineself

    Thyself. I think.

  259. @RadicalCenter

    Uh huh. Sure. After all, just ask yourself how much better the products and service would be if, say, Chik-fil-et’s restaurants were run like branch offices of California’s department of Motor Vehicles. Or what if Federal Express and Amazon provided the kinds of miraculous logistical capacity and customer service available from the quasi-governmental United States Postal Service? Yessir, no useless bureaucracies wasting money, greedy middlemen being overcompensated (just look into how little police and firemen are paid, and their terrible pensions…), or diminishing efficiency when “the public sector” is involved!

  260. @JUSA

    Sure, Germans are great, but what about the current rapefugee crisis? They’re just as susceptible to anti white brainwashing as the Anglos, it seems.

  261. @Federalist

    Simple Song articulates the matter excellently. The FDA does have a rôle in permitting (or prohibiting) whether a new drug can be used in humans at all, but once a drug is approved for use on humans, physicians can prescribe it for anything. If, say, the drug’s developers purport that it treats arthritis, but a physician reckons that same drug may alleviate asthma, he can certainly prescribe it people without arthritis but with asthma. This practice is called prescribing the drug “off label” in the common jargon, because it is a use for which the drug is not “labeled” (marketed – which is again to do with the FDA: absent sufficient studies, the FDA may prohibit our example from being advertised or labeled as a treatment for asthma; but the physicians prescribing it for asthma don’t have to give a hoot in Hell what the FDA thinks).

  262. It is quite obvious that the Deep State does not want Coronavirus to be cured. It is not in their interest.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  263. @S. Anonyia

    Born in ’96.

    Kids born in 2000 or later (zoomers) just seem like wiggers to me. The level of negro worship is sickening.

    That said I’m not big on the generational warfare. Just another method to (((divide))) the white population.

  264. @J.Ross

    I’d like a series of videos of people seeing the teens spitting on food and beating the living shit out of them.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  265. Lagertha says:
    @J1234

    And legitimize the arguments against open borders in a way organized advocacy never could.

    Ya, that’s my favorite part of this incessant behavior of maligning Trump: we finally get closed borders! And, as Mexicans are overwhelmed (Obrador is as inept and arrogant as DeBLAAAHsio) with Covid cases, it is another: in the nick of time border closures after Trump racistly , shutting flights from China.

    The more I look into the initial carriers it all goes back to China: 1) Chinese immigrants working abroad who had been in Wuhan for that f*cking holiday 2) rich business class businessing in China and then partying in the Alps/Aspen/Vail/Tahoe…leaving infected planes, cabs, hotels, restaurants, spas, gondolas, hot tubs (yechhh!) – I never go use hot tubs that are not mine. Hot springs are a different story.

    And, once Chinese had brought it to Europe/together with European business class after being in China, Americans and Europeans got it in Spain, Italy, France from infected surfaces and people there. Still trying to figure out how Iran got it? That one is a mystery. Any ideas, anyone?

  266. @Poco

    That means a fetus is the most valuable human life.

    And would you die without qualm for some other person’s children’s lives?

  267. Lagertha says:
    @ploni almoni

    exactly. But, people learn quickly. Have a Vodka tonic! and get some iodine, malaria tabs, bring in a mister, vitamin C & D, etc.

  268. Anon[532] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB

    I read that, last week, COVID was found in Madagascar despite its geographic isolation and its attempt to quarantine itself. Should therefore Madagascar change their immigration laws?

  269. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Milam’s had both on Thursday, neither on Friday. I didn’t go out today, so I can’t say.

  270. @AKAHorace

    It gets worse Kaganovitch, the Corona virus is a disaster for feminism:

    The very Firmament groans with the injustice of it all!

  271. keypusher says:
    @AKAHorace

    Oh, that’s beautiful. My favorite, several paragraphs in:

    Purely as a physical illness, the coronavirus appears to affect women less severely.

    World ends, women, minorities spared, but never mind.

  272. JimDandy says:
    @JimDandy

    Yes, but it has suddenly become heroic to stay home slacking on the couch.

  273. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    Typical obnoxious Boomers ITT showing exactly why everyone else can’t wait for them to die off – piggish, nasty, no humility or sense of gratitude for how easy their lives have been. The future doesn’t need or want you.

  274. I don’t have the stats but I am hearing that younger people are showing up at the hospital in
    in numbers that belie the theory that this is an old peoples’ problem, Apart from the usual ageism, this geriatric interpretation is rooted in Trumpian positive thinking nonsense and the good old Republican desire to keep business bullishness as usual.

    With globalist outsourcing our ” elites ” bit off more than they can chew. Now we are ALL going to pay for it instead of just the under educated lower IQ types who were so easy to sacrifice. You really think a malaria drug is going to get us out of this? Seems desperate to me.

    Get ready to reap the whirlwind of neo liberal capitalism. But I can
    still hope that the fatality rate is very disproportionately lodged in the 15% who have long been profiteering from American deindustrialization. I think the chances of that are good because these people get around a lot more than the rest of us.

  275. J.Ross says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Check out every Brazilian entry at Best Gore dot com. Brazilians know what it’s like to be simultaneously smothered by a nanny state and abandoned by legitimate state services. As a result, every day in Brazil is like the “LA Privileges” segment in Pulp Fiction. Burglarize a Brazilian home, and it’s not the cops you have to worry about.

  276. MBlanc46 says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I share your opinion of Tanqueray 10. I’ll give Bulldog a try.

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