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From the Huffington Post:

The Boston Bombers Were Not Refugees — Neither Was the Paris Attacker
Posted: 11/17/2015 2:50 pm EST Updated: 11/18/2015 2:59 pm EST

by David Bier, Director of Immigration Policy, Niskanen Center

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In the wake of the Paris attacks, many are trying to connect refugees to terrorism. I’ve noted elsewhere that despite millions of refugees having been admitted since the U.S. refugee resettlement program began in its current form in 1980 — including hundreds of thousands from the Middle East — not a single refugee has committed an act of terrorism in the United States.

Detractors of refugee resettlement, however, point to Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev — the Boston Bombers — as evidence to the contrary. The pair of brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon in 2013 were not, however, refugees. They were, on the contrary, children of an asylee, according to the State Department, and the distinction is crucial.

So there!

A forgotten figure is fellow Chechen refugee/asylee/whatever and aspiring mixed martial artist Ibrahim Todashev, the friend of Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Todashev was shot by an FBI agent halfway through his confession note about the ritual triple murder of Jewish weed dealers on the tenth anniversary of 9/11 in Waltham, MA. Here’s what the FBI claims is his bloodstained confession note with a transcription below from Boston Magazine:

My name is IBRAGIM TODASHEV
I wanna tell the story about the robbery
me and Tam did in Waltham in September
of 2011. That was [?] by Tamerlan.
[?] [?] he [?] to me to rob
the drug dealers. We went to their
house we got in there and Tam had
a gun he pointed it [?] the guy that
opened the door for us [?]
we went upstairs into the house
[?] 3 guys in there [?] we put them
on the ground and then we [?]
[?] taped their hands up

Not Mrs. Todashev

Was Todashev a refugee or an asylee? And whatever he was, why? From Wikipedia:

Ibragim Todashev was born on September 22, 1985 in the Chechen-Ingush capital Grozny during the Soviet era, as the eldest of 12 children of Abdulbaki (or Abdul-Baki) Todashev and his two wives.[2] During the 1990s, his family fled war-torn Chechnya to Russia’s Saratov Oblast. They resided there until the late 2000s, before moving back to Grozny, where his father became a high-ranking pro-Moscow official in the city administration in 2008.[3][4]

Todashev moved to the U.S. to study English on a J-1 non-immigrant visa, after four years of study in classes at Saratov State University and Chechen State University, as part of a student exchange program with Russia. He then applied for and was granted asylum in 2008 and permanent residence in March 2013.[3][4][5] According to the Center for Immigration Studies, Todashev was granted asylum for no valid reason as he was personally in no danger of repression or ethnic or religious persecution in Chechnya and might have “lied throughout his entire interaction with State Department and Homeland Security authorities;”[6] his own father said his son had no reason to fear “oppression” back home as “he was too young to fight in the war [in Chechnya], and he has nothing to fear here now” from the authorities.[7] He said: “Out of fear of the lawlessness in Chechnya, I sent him to the U.S. because it seemed like the safest country at the time.”[8]

Todashev himself told his wife and his girlfriend (chicks dig Chechens) that he stayed in the U.S. because America has way cooler MMA gyms.

Kadyrov

At the time Todashev was granted asylum, his father was a high ranking official in the city government of Grozny, capital of Chechnya. Todashev’s dad reports to the mayor of Grozny, who reports to iSteve regular Ramzan Kadyrov, who reports to Vladimir Putin, who reports to God.

Granted, if Putin is overthrown at some point, Todashev Sr., his two wives, and 12 children, would likely have reason to fear retribution from the kinfolk of all the Chechen Islamist radicals he did who knows what to to get his current cushy job. But the same logic would argue for granting Putin’s billionaire daughter asylum in the U.S.

At least with the Tsarnaevs, there was evidently some kind of American deep state conspiracy involved: their Uncle Ruslan was, for a while, the son-in-law of retired CIA honcho Graham E. Fuller, and Uncle Ruslan and Fuller had some sort of Chechen front cooked up (much like Fuller helped Imam Gulen get asylum in the Poconos in case Turkey ever needs a new pro-American government airlifted in).

But I don’t see how Todashev getting asylum in the U.S. could be justified as conspiracy — the Todashev family is part of Putin’s deep state. It seems more like an example of pure incompetence on the part of the “vetters.”

We need a National Immigration Safety Board to investigate egregious cases like this and issue safety recommendations.

 
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  1. So since linking to isteve is verboten on most of the lib sites, do you have a cite for that “that he stayed in the U.S. because America has way cooler MMA gyms” part?

    Super bonus points if it’s from HuffPo or something.

    It’s always fun running around on “more liberal than iSteve” boards, basically reposting all your cites.

    Lib: “Refugees are perfectly safe”
    Us: “The fuck, Boston Bombers were refugees [18 cites off isteve to support claim]. What’s your risk tolerance here? How many American lives are you willing to lose in the name of refugees?”

    Door #1:
    Lib: “I believe in freedom, and the statue of Liberty”.
    Us: “Ok yes, but you’re missing the point”
    *Conversation devolves as all different-first-principle-based conversations do.*

    Door #2:
    Lib: “But we’re vetting them”.
    Us: *Points out Ibrahim Todashev with cites* “But our vetting is shit”
    So on and so forth.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Lamb

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/tsarnaev-todashev-story-has-immigration.html

    The Los Angeles Times interviews the bereaved father:
    According to the father, Ibragim Todashev was studying English at Grozny University when he got a chance to go to the United States in an exchange program in 2008.
    "He loved it there from Day One," the father said. "He would call me and tell me how everybody was into sports, what great sports gyms they had and what wonderful possibilities he had for the mixed fighting and boxing he loved so much.
    "Then when he told me that he loved it in America and wanted to stay," the father said, "I didn't mind."

    Replies: @Lamb

  2. @Lamb
    So since linking to isteve is verboten on most of the lib sites, do you have a cite for that "that he stayed in the U.S. because America has way cooler MMA gyms" part?

    Super bonus points if it's from HuffPo or something.

    It's always fun running around on "more liberal than iSteve" boards, basically reposting all your cites.

    Lib: "Refugees are perfectly safe"
    Us: "The fuck, Boston Bombers were refugees [18 cites off isteve to support claim]. What's your risk tolerance here? How many American lives are you willing to lose in the name of refugees?"

    Door #1:
    Lib: "I believe in freedom, and the statue of Liberty".
    Us: "Ok yes, but you're missing the point"
    *Conversation devolves as all different-first-principle-based conversations do.*

    Door #2:
    Lib: "But we're vetting them".
    Us: *Points out Ibrahim Todashev with cites* "But our vetting is shit"
    So on and so forth.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/tsarnaev-todashev-story-has-immigration.html

    The Los Angeles Times interviews the bereaved father:
    According to the father, Ibragim Todashev was studying English at Grozny University when he got a chance to go to the United States in an exchange program in 2008.
    “He loved it there from Day One,” the father said. “He would call me and tell me how everybody was into sports, what great sports gyms they had and what wonderful possibilities he had for the mixed fighting and boxing he loved so much.
    “Then when he told me that he loved it in America and wanted to stay,” the father said, “I didn’t mind.”

    • Replies: @Lamb
    @Steve Sailer

    Thank you sir.

  3. “The Muslims who attacked Paris last week were not (so far as we know) Syrian refugees; they were, in fact, French “citizens”. In other words, the issue is one of race (and all that this word implies) and civilization, and not legality or geographic location. In turn, in the age of mass migration, the threats to a nation are just as likely to be “citizens” as foreigners or invaders.”

    “What we are witnessing is the passing of the concept of “the citizen”—“le citoyen” that was deified during the French Revolution. The politics of the future will be based on race and identity, and not the abstract, bankrupt notions “citizenship” currently peddled by Western nation-states.”

    Richard Spencer

    I have noticed this trend, Americans rooting for, supporting, finding common cause with Boers, Germans, Swedes, heck even Russians on the basis of race. To me, the argument of not allowing Syrians into the country because ISIS is just a convenient port in a storm. To me the reason to not let them in is that they are inbred, compounded via polygamy, 87 IQ losers. They lack the appropriate proven natural selection that creates competent citizens with the proper temperament necessary in a republic. NASALT, but many are. Dats raycis but it’s also practical.

    “If I gave you a bunch of grapes and told you maybe 20% were poison, how many would you eat?”

  4. Funny- who are the “detractors”? Notice that there is no link. I wonder if he raises the strawman “detractor” as a dog whistle, “hey remember those guys that killed a bunch of people in Boston?”

    Good for him for reminding us about these children of aslyee.

    The double-dog whistle here is that it should be harder to get through as an asylee than as a refugee because you have to prove persecution.

  5. @Steve Sailer
    @Lamb

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/tsarnaev-todashev-story-has-immigration.html

    The Los Angeles Times interviews the bereaved father:
    According to the father, Ibragim Todashev was studying English at Grozny University when he got a chance to go to the United States in an exchange program in 2008.
    "He loved it there from Day One," the father said. "He would call me and tell me how everybody was into sports, what great sports gyms they had and what wonderful possibilities he had for the mixed fighting and boxing he loved so much.
    "Then when he told me that he loved it in America and wanted to stay," the father said, "I didn't mind."

    Replies: @Lamb

    Thank you sir.

  6. Steve, you need to vary your pictures of Kadyrov a bit more. It’s not as if you don’t have much choice.

    • Agree: Harold
    • Replies: @Harold
    @Rob McX

    I was going to say the same thing. I particularly like the pictures with kittens.

  7. Not a terrorist, but how about that model citizen Nafissatou Diallo? She’s the liar who accused head of the International Monetary Fund Dominique Strauss-Kahn of rape. She was also fraudulently staying in housing reserved for AIDS victims.

    • Replies: @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar
    @Harry Baldwin


    She’s the liar who accused head of the International Monetary Fund Dominique Strauss-Kahn of rape
     
    Perhaps she meant the monetary rape of her country by the IMF?
  8. Hussein Obama is David Dinkins on a much larger scale. Both are incompetent Mulatto politicians.

  9. The WTC bombers (1993 & 2011) were not technically refugees or “asylees”. There were allowed to live here after getting here on student visas or staying over tourist visas sometimes for years. Of course most of them had drivers licenses. To say that they were not part of an official government program is very disingenuous. They were part of the unofficial refugee policy that Americans have never voted on.

  10. @Harry Baldwin
    Not a terrorist, but how about that model citizen Nafissatou Diallo? She's the liar who accused head of the International Monetary Fund Dominique Strauss-Kahn of rape. She was also fraudulently staying in housing reserved for AIDS victims.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar

  11. (much like Fuller helped Imam Gulen get asylum in the Poconos in case Turkey ever needs a new pro-American government airlifted in).

    When do the Poconos get a pro-American government airlifted in?

  12. @Harry Baldwin
    Not a terrorist, but how about that model citizen Nafissatou Diallo? She's the liar who accused head of the International Monetary Fund Dominique Strauss-Kahn of rape. She was also fraudulently staying in housing reserved for AIDS victims.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Reg Cæsar

    She’s the liar who accused head of the International Monetary Fund Dominique Strauss-Kahn of rape

    Perhaps she meant the monetary rape of her country by the IMF?

  13. anon • Disclaimer says:

    My favorite thing that happened this week was when Obama said, about the Republicans:

    “I cannot think of a more potent recruitment tool for ISIL than some of the rhetoric that’s been coming out of here.”

    So, I guess it really doesn’t take that much to get Muslims to join ISIS/ISIL, does it?

    Oh well. Still nothing to worry about.

  14. After the Boston Marathon bombing, I think that Steve Sailer was the only person pointing out the refugee status of the Tsarnaevs. Now his observation is in general circulation. A good sign.

    In other news, here is video of the students occupying the Princeton University president’s office today demanding that Woodrow Wilson’s name be removed from the campus. One of the students tells the president, “All of this is mine!”

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Grumpy

    Ha! wilson was a racist and an anti-Catholic bigot, and the WORST President in US History (Income tax, Federal Reserve, 17th amendment, FBI, banned Beethoven, Prohibition...)

    It's a lot of fun to see the Left have to defend him. Thanks for the video.

  15. Isn’t the Niskanen Center the PFJ to Cato’s JPF? Or it the other way around?

    And wasn’t Bier, Raul Labrador’s immigration policy assistant? And wasn’t Labrador both a part of the bipartisan ‘group of 8’ ‘immigration reformers’ as well as someone who said that Obama needs to immediately deport young undocumenteds?

    I’m so confused.

    • Replies: @BelleCurvie
    @anony-mouse

    It's named after William Niskanen who was chairman of Cato 23 years. I was an intern there and he seemed by far the most serious, solid figure there. But I have no doubt he was for open borders since they all were.

    It says here that the think tank named after him got $360,000 from world's luckiest roommate Dustin Moskovitz to promote open borders:

    http://www.givewell.org/labs/causes/labor-mobility/niskanen-immigration

    Moskovitz founded Good Ventures, which gave Niskanen the grant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Ventures

  16. Not a terrorist, but how about that model citizen Nafissatou Diallo?

    Lots of Diallos have wormed their way in here. How about Amadou Diallo who got shot 40 times by police in NYC? This was in the news for weeks in 1999. Springsteen wrote a song about this. It later turned out that ol Amadou was here based on lies and fraud on his asylum application.

    One of four children of Saikou and Kadiatou Diallo, Amadou’s family is part of an old Fulbe trading family in Guinea. According to his family’s lawyer, Kyle B. Watters, he sought to remain in the United States by filing an application for political asylum under false pretenses, saying that he was from Mauritania and that his parents had been killed in fighting to buttress his claim that he had credible fear of going back to his country.[3] He worked as a street peddler, selling videotapes, gloves and socks from the sidewalk along 14th Street during the day and studied in the evenings.[4]

  17. “We need a National Immigration Safety Board to investigate egregious cases like this and issue safety recommendations.”

    Were I you, Mr. Sailer, I shouldn’t hold my breath.

    Our Dear Rulers Importing millions non-vetted from the Third World is a feature, not a bug, This feature let’s our Dear Rulers proclaim that imminvaders and their progeny wreaking havoc on Americans means the Government needs more tax dollars to further ramp-up the police-surveillance-security state to, you know, “Keep Us Safe*,” and it assures that Our Dear Rulers never run out of newly “domestic” (cough-cough) victim groups that they use to stigmatize, pressure and de-WhitePrivilege-ize us into abject serfdom.

    None of this is about “morality” or “fighting Racism” or “justice,” or “compassion,” or about “who we are,” or any of the other fig leaves the powerful contrive to camouflage their betrayal of us: it is all about POWER to crush White Americans here – and to crush Europeans in Europe.

    *The police-surveillance-security state is not there to “Keep Us Safe,” it’s there to enforce evermore total state power over us, including the power to continue – and indeed to ramp up – Perpetual Mass Third World Imminvasion.

  18. Reg I want to tell how touched I was by you defending my reputation as the only original asshole . Thank you .

    I’ve posted this before but it may be more relevant now . The last bastion of white culture . And I’m proud of it .

    And they won’t balk at killing their enemies .

  19. It seems more like an example of pure incompetence on the part of the “vetters.”

    You know what? I doubt it. I think CIA/FBI really wanted Chechen terrorists to come to the U.S.

    Just as I doubt that it is a “coincidence” that “refugees” from Syria purposefully let in by European governments end up causing terrorist attacks.

    There is a war by our elites against us. And maybe it is convenient to have some terrorist attacks now and then. Pour encourager les autres and all that.

    Who needs a false flag attack when you can have a real attack for a lower price?

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Tsarneav tale is classic patsy fog of war stuff. FBI bread & butter.

    FBI Special Agent McFarlane was a psycho cop in Oakland. Thug with a badge. He should’ve been stripped of all any career in law enforcement but instead becomes a trigger puller for the FBI. This is your America.

    Todashev confession states that he and Tsarneav did the triple murder for the money — but $5000 was left with the bodies!

    BTW Russia complained to the FBI about Tsarneav’s ludicrous freedom of travel. Very much like Oswald this nut case was able to go places!

    Patsies are the FBI’s main side business. The patsies are always stoned or drugged up and ready to participate in a “drill” but when the “drill” goes live they don’t get the memo. This is how real business gets done.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Anonymous

    "Patsies are the FBI’s main side business. The patsies are always stoned or drugged up and ready to participate in a 'drill' but when the 'drill' goes live they don’t get the memo. This is how real business gets done."

    Yeah, someone probably told Oswald that it didn't matter that he wasn't going to be able to hit Kennedy from the book depository building. "We're just trying to throw a scare into that Mick anyway, so its actually better if you miss. You're gonna do a Helluva job, Lee."

  21. @Rob McX
    Steve, you need to vary your pictures of Kadyrov a bit more. It's not as if you don't have much choice.

    Replies: @Harold

    I was going to say the same thing. I particularly like the pictures with kittens.

  22. It seems more like an example of pure incompetence on the part of the “vetters.”

    He wasn’t white and he was a Muslim and anti-West. Anti-racism is still code for anti-white, and mass migration is hate-driven g******e (can’t use the word at this site) against white people. It isn’t incompetence, it’s policy. The terrorists and the system are aligned in their hatred of (white) America, and the invader would have to be really, really bad to override the Prime Anti-white Directive. Thus story after story about alien criminals being released on the streets of America. And articles like the one quoted. The theme “It’s white guys who are the real terrorists”, a theme pushed even by the Obama administration, is a plea for continued open borders and proof that in the war against white people any ally will do, even fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.

  23. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    I wish someone would ask the politicians the simple question of “Why?” should we let these supposed refugees in, or any poor immigrants for that matter.

    “Mr. President, I would like to ask you why we should incur any cost, be it financial or terroristic, by taking in poor immigrants who are not currently our liability? And do not begin to obscure the issue with talk of feelings and morals. You have no feelings for the young people of this country whom you are saddling with crippling, unpayable debt. You show no morality to the soldiers you condemn to death by continuing to fight ground wars which could be won economically. You have no sympathy or morality toward the victims of terrorism which are the direct result of policies like this. So, sincerely, what is in it for you? And who else is advising you on these decisions?”

    There are so many ways in which the politicians are absolutely callous when it comes to their own citizens, I would like that pointed out and juxtaposed against this ridiculous emotional appeal for refugees. We all know how full of crap they are, why won’t someone say it?

  24. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall

    “Tammany Hall’s electoral base lay predominantly with New York’s burgeoning immigrant constituency, which often exchanged political support for Tammany Hall’s patronage. In pre-New Deal America, the extralegal services that Tammany and other urban political machines provided often served as a rudimentary public welfare system. The patronage Tammany Hall provided to immigrants, many of whom lived in extreme poverty and received little government assistance, covered three key areas. First, Tammany provided the means of physical existence in times of emergency: food, coal, rent money or a job. Second, Tammany served as a powerful intermediary between immigrants and the unfamiliar state. In an example of their involvement in the lives of citizens, in the course of one day, Tammany figure George Washington Plunkitt assisted the victims of a house fire; secured the release of six “drunks” by speaking on their behalf to a judge; paid the rent of a poor family to prevent their eviction and gave them money for food; secured employment for four individuals; attended the funerals of two of his constituents (one Italian, the other Jewish); attended a Bar Mitzvah; and attended the wedding of a Jewish couple from his ward.

    Tammany Hall also served as a social integrator for immigrants by familiarizing them with American society and its political institutions and by helping them become naturalized citizens. One example was the naturalization process organized by William M. Tweed. Under Tweed’s regime, “naturalization committees” were established. These “committees” were made up primarily of Tammany politicians and employees, and their duties consisted of filling out paperwork, providing witnesses, and lending immigrants money for the fees required to become citizens. Judges and other city officials were bribed and otherwise compelled to go along with the workings of these committees. In exchange for all these benefits, immigrants assured Tammany Hall they would vote for their candidates. By 1854, the support which Tammany Hall received from immigrants would firmly establish the organization as the leader of New York City’s political scene. With the election of Fernando Wood as mayor in 1854, Tammany Hall would now dominate New York City politics until Fiorello La Guardia won the mayoral election of 1934.”

  25. That the were “children of an asylee” fits perfectly with the argument I’ve been making. In general, it would appear that second and third generation Muslim immigrants are much more likely to engage in and support terrorism than the first generation “asylees”.

  26. Well Huffpo is just engaging in rebranding a toxic and inherently lethal political-cultural-ethnicity. That’s the only way they have left to defense this insanity.

    Still to paraphrase the bard “a rabid dog in a sack is still a rabid dog”.

    These people no matter what, have no business being here, none. They are a destructive element.

  27. @anony-mouse
    Isn't the Niskanen Center the PFJ to Cato's JPF? Or it the other way around?

    And wasn't Bier, Raul Labrador's immigration policy assistant? And wasn't Labrador both a part of the bipartisan 'group of 8' 'immigration reformers' as well as someone who said that Obama needs to immediately deport young undocumenteds?

    I'm so confused.

    Replies: @BelleCurvie

    It’s named after William Niskanen who was chairman of Cato 23 years. I was an intern there and he seemed by far the most serious, solid figure there. But I have no doubt he was for open borders since they all were.

    It says here that the think tank named after him got $360,000 from world’s luckiest roommate Dustin Moskovitz to promote open borders:

    http://www.givewell.org/labs/causes/labor-mobility/niskanen-immigration

    Moskovitz founded Good Ventures, which gave Niskanen the grant

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Ventures

  28. The High Cost of Resettling Middle Eastern Refugees
    http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Resettling-Middle-Eastern-Refugees

    Among the findings of this analysis:
    On average, each Middle Eastern refugee resettled in the United States costs an estimated $64,370 in the first five years, or $257,481 per household.

    Open borders libertarianism is self destructive.

  29. Todashev moved to the U.S. to study English on a J-1 non-immigrant visa, after four years of study in classes at Saratov State University and Chechen State University[…]

    Chechen State: Home of the Fighting Chechens.

    Go State!!

    • Replies: @Anon
    @slumber_j

    Rah Rah Sis BOOM

  30. Many readers are now in the unusual position of being able to praise one of their elected officials for doing something right on immigration policy.

    It’s an easy thing to do, since eloquence and persuasiveness hardly matter — the “Contact The Governor” web form submission will be read by an intern and turned into a check mark on today’s form.

    Dear Governor,

    Thank you for taking a stand on Syrian refugees coming to our state.

    Immigration policy is supposed to benefit our citizens and their descendants.

    Mass migration from the Mideast is a security risk for America. Open Borders and Amnesty are sure to depress Americans’ wages.

    Everybody knows that Mideast migrants are *not* “thoroughly vetted.” If they were, how did the Tsarnaev brothers and their criminal associate Ibragim Todashev slip through? Nobody has figured out how the system failed in 2013, so it’s certainly still broken.

    Please continue advocating for the interests of our state’s citizens.

  31. There’s an increasing emphasis on celebrating the 99 per cent of Muslims who don’t become terrorists. But compare this to any other potentially harmful or subversive group within a population. Most people the world over are politically inactive. Most of the time, they’re indifferent to the political realities that affect them. Usually, only 1-3 per cent of any ethnic or political/religious fifth column in a country would be directly involved in acts of terror or violence. That’s always been the way. And it’s still enough to wreak havoc on the host population and force it to give in to their demands.

    Of course there’s a much larger proportion of Muslims who passively support the jihadists and terrorists, and without this sea to swim in, to use Mao’s metaphor, it would be impossible for the violent ones to achieve anything.

    Imagine that the few dozen Muslims who carried out the terrorist attacks in France were the only Muslims in that country. The problem would then be negligible. They’d be rounded up and put away eventually, and that would be the end of it. As it stands, it makes very little difference that they’ve been caught. There will always be others to take their place. When there are a few million Muslims in a country, that’s more than enough to furnish a perpetual supply of terrorists, constantly replacing those caught or killed.

  32. In spite of the confusing language, the difference between asylees and refugees does matter for the current debate on refugee policy. The main difference is that one must apply for refugee status outside of the United States. Asylees, by contrast, either show up at the border asking for asylum; or they arrive here either illegally or under another visa (a student visa, in Todashev’s case), and then apply for asylum once here. Almost all of the examples that Steve, Michelle Malkin, and others have dug up of ‘terrorist refugees’ have actually been asylees. Why? Because it’s a much easier system to game. The vetting process isn’t as thorough, and it’s harder to get kicked out when you’re already here than to not get let in in the first place. Moreover, the refugee application process is much longer and more arduous than other kinds of visas that asylee applicants enter on.

    It is much harder for Syrian (or Iraqi, or whatever) terrorists to get in as refugees to the United States than to get in as students, or tourists, or illegally, and then apply for asylee status (or just stay here illegally). The current push to keep out Syrian refugees is thus pretty pointless from that perspective. If you want to keep terrorists out look at those other means of entering the country.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Troy

    No. The elites market the US immigration system as operating for the benefit of America and Americans. But in fact, the benefits flow to the immigrants themselves, the Cheap Labor Lobby, and various factions within Steve's Coalition of the Fringes.

    Whether the members of the Hmong and Somali communities of the Upper Midwest came as refugees, asylum seekers, lottery winners, amnestied illegals, or elsewise: how has their presence benefited those Americans who lived there already? Minneapolis-born Somalis routinely return to their homeland to enlist in al Qaeda. Perhaps you are sure that these Syrian refugees won't follow in their footsteps. Can you explain how you know that?

    To paraphrase our former Attorney General: We're a nation of cowards on this subject.

    First, Jeb! and Barack can state the truth. "These migrant/asylee/refugee influxes don't benefit middle-class or lower-class Americans, in fact they contribute to lowered wages and declining asabiyyah. Nonetheless, we feel this is the right thing to do."

    That honesty will be the sign that we are ready for a National Conversation about immigration.

  33. So how many generations back do we have to deport?

    Clearly there’s a problem with their parenting skills.

  34. @Troy
    In spite of the confusing language, the difference between asylees and refugees does matter for the current debate on refugee policy. The main difference is that one must apply for refugee status outside of the United States. Asylees, by contrast, either show up at the border asking for asylum; or they arrive here either illegally or under another visa (a student visa, in Todashev's case), and then apply for asylum once here. Almost all of the examples that Steve, Michelle Malkin, and others have dug up of 'terrorist refugees' have actually been asylees. Why? Because it's a much easier system to game. The vetting process isn't as thorough, and it's harder to get kicked out when you're already here than to not get let in in the first place. Moreover, the refugee application process is much longer and more arduous than other kinds of visas that asylee applicants enter on.

    It is much harder for Syrian (or Iraqi, or whatever) terrorists to get in as refugees to the United States than to get in as students, or tourists, or illegally, and then apply for asylee status (or just stay here illegally). The current push to keep out Syrian refugees is thus pretty pointless from that perspective. If you want to keep terrorists out look at those other means of entering the country.

    Replies: @ic1000

    No. The elites market the US immigration system as operating for the benefit of America and Americans. But in fact, the benefits flow to the immigrants themselves, the Cheap Labor Lobby, and various factions within Steve’s Coalition of the Fringes.

    Whether the members of the Hmong and Somali communities of the Upper Midwest came as refugees, asylum seekers, lottery winners, amnestied illegals, or elsewise: how has their presence benefited those Americans who lived there already? Minneapolis-born Somalis routinely return to their homeland to enlist in al Qaeda. Perhaps you are sure that these Syrian refugees won’t follow in their footsteps. Can you explain how you know that?

    To paraphrase our former Attorney General: We’re a nation of cowards on this subject.

    First, Jeb! and Barack can state the truth. “These migrant/asylee/refugee influxes don’t benefit middle-class or lower-class Americans, in fact they contribute to lowered wages and declining asabiyyah. Nonetheless, we feel this is the right thing to do.”

    That honesty will be the sign that we are ready for a National Conversation about immigration.

  35. @Anonymous
    Tsarneav tale is classic patsy fog of war stuff. FBI bread & butter.

    FBI Special Agent McFarlane was a psycho cop in Oakland. Thug with a badge. He should've been stripped of all any career in law enforcement but instead becomes a trigger puller for the FBI. This is your America.

    Todashev confession states that he and Tsarneav did the triple murder for the money -- but $5000 was left with the bodies!

    BTW Russia complained to the FBI about Tsarneav's ludicrous freedom of travel. Very much like Oswald this nut case was able to go places!

    Patsies are the FBI's main side business. The patsies are always stoned or drugged up and ready to participate in a "drill" but when the "drill" goes live they don't get the memo. This is how real business gets done.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “Patsies are the FBI’s main side business. The patsies are always stoned or drugged up and ready to participate in a ‘drill’ but when the ‘drill’ goes live they don’t get the memo. This is how real business gets done.”

    Yeah, someone probably told Oswald that it didn’t matter that he wasn’t going to be able to hit Kennedy from the book depository building. “We’re just trying to throw a scare into that Mick anyway, so its actually better if you miss. You’re gonna do a Helluva job, Lee.”

  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    An exceptional article on Islam and ISIS/Daesh from the Atlantic:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

    The import of the article is that the world is heading toward an apocalyptic confrontation between the Christian West and Islam. Nothing new … as it it seems we would have learned our lessons from history from the continual Islamic attempts to conquer Europe from the 7th Century through the 19th Century. 911 and Paris are, I fear, just the beginning of the next round.

    This is not fanciful conjecture on my part. I have more than a passing exposure to Islam. I participated in military operations in the Middle East and functioned as a military advisor to Saudi Arabia through the 1980s; I participated in Desert Storm I; I returned to Saudi Arabia through the 1990s as the representative of a major American defense firm. I’ve traveled extensively in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, and the Emirates, including excusions through Wahhabi-dominated villiages.

    My experience and conclusions: True Muslims (as opposed to nominal Muslims) only know loyalty to the Ummah, the supra-national Islamic community. It is their identity. As fatalists, they tend to look at everything that happens to them (both good and evil) as the agency of God in their lives … inshallah. Nothing is an accident. If the Gulf states have oil, it is God’s gift to them as faithful Muslims. If they live and prosper in Europe or the United States, it is because God has given these opportunities and lands to them as faithful Muslims. Integrate into Western culture and values? Apostacy! Become law-abiding citizens of Western democracies? There is only one law and lawgiver … and it is Sharia Law as described in the Quran and interpreted by Muslim religious leaders.

    Those supporting the immigration of Muslims to Europe or any Western country should have their heads examined … or perhaps given a few lessons in history and comparative religion.

  37. Too bad Chechens are Muslims. We could really use some more crazy tough white people. I see white Americans getting wimpier, and quite frankly gayer by the day. We need some non-Muslim Chechens on our team…

  38. @slumber_j

    Todashev moved to the U.S. to study English on a J-1 non-immigrant visa, after four years of study in classes at Saratov State University and Chechen State University[...]
     
    Chechen State: Home of the Fighting Chechens.

    Go State!!

    Replies: @Anon

    Rah Rah Sis BOOM

  39. @Grumpy
    After the Boston Marathon bombing, I think that Steve Sailer was the only person pointing out the refugee status of the Tsarnaevs. Now his observation is in general circulation. A good sign.

    In other news, here is video of the students occupying the Princeton University president's office today demanding that Woodrow Wilson's name be removed from the campus. One of the students tells the president, "All of this is mine!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIeR8EuqBfc

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Ha! wilson was a racist and an anti-Catholic bigot, and the WORST President in US History (Income tax, Federal Reserve, 17th amendment, FBI, banned Beethoven, Prohibition…)

    It’s a lot of fun to see the Left have to defend him. Thanks for the video.

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