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From the Daily Mail:

Florida police department will send social workers instead of cops to non-violent 911 calls under reform plans

Here’s the list of non-violent 911 calls:

Is Disorderly Intoxication an encouraging leadoff hitter?

I could imagine sending an unarmed social worker to a suicide crisis to avoid turning into another suicide-by-cop.

Although Larry Miller’s monologue on his success rate at talking people into not jumping is not encouraging:

 
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  1. Anon[406] • Disclaimer says:

    I read a post by a cop who said that a 20-minute encounter with a cop is not going to fix a mental health/personality problem that was years in the making.

    A 20-minute encounter with a social worker isn’t going to do it, either.

    And no, no one has any way to tell if it’s a non-violent call ahead of time. It doesn’t matter if the crazy person doesn’t own a gun. All homes have knives in the kitchen. All it takes is one lunge for the kitchen and the crazy person is armed and stabbing the unarmed social worker.

  2. Years ago,I read about the Beatles’ roadie and friend Mal Evans having some kind of emotional breakdown at his L.A. home.
    His family,worried,called the police. The upshot was he wound up being shot to death by the police. Very tragic stuff.
    So if this policy was not being pushed by left wing communist asshole scumbags,it might be worth discussing if there is a way to avoid,as per Arnold,things of this nature.
    But probably not.

  3. Nathan says:

    What exactly do social workers DO anyway? Has any “social worker” in history ever made a difference, or is it just a racket for government employees to profit off of social ills?

  4. @Anon

    The solution should be obvious – armed social workers.

  5. anon[437] • Disclaimer says:

  6. Just ask the caller if her name just happens to be Karen.
    Simples! As our Brit friends like to say.

  7. anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    They just need the right tool for the job.

  8. @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    Years ago, I read about the Beatles’ roadie and friend Mal Evans having some kind of emotional breakdown at his L.A. home.

    Brits don’t have the best taste in where they move to in America.

    There are exceptions– either Chad or Jeremy (I forget which) lives in Idaho. Joey Molland, the surviving Badfinger digit, lives on Lake Minnetonka, and Al Stewart in Napa Valley, which he calls “a vast red-wine conspiracy”.

    But the Edge?

    Of course, John Cleese’s mistake of choosing a community property state is legendary.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  9. St Pete resident here. CALs is being housed in the police department for now and will be doing mostly ride alongs for the first few months as a pilot. It seems CALs are likely to be recruited and trained by the local police force too. My opinion is that they are mostly going to be used to target the downtown homeless population. Downtown St Pete is mostly a lifestyle district with relatively little office space, but many good entertainment options and it’s very pedestrian friendly. Those factors make it a great place for to panhandle diners at sidewalk cafes, bachelorette parties, tourists leaving museums, etc. It’s between DTSP and Ybor City in Tampa as to which neighborhood in Tampa Bay has the worst homeless problem. CALs could become the softer and friendlier bum dispersement squad.

    I’m also expecting a CAL to get cut to ribbons by a ginned up hobo with a box cutter within 6 months.

    • Replies: @anon
  10. St Pete is “God’s waiting room”. How violent can the calls be? Nonagenarians beating their wives with a truss?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  11. notsaying says:

    I went over to the Daily Mail article. I was going to make a comment here but I saw other people over there had already said the kind of thing I was going to say. A real iSteve crowd. This one made me laugh, I hope you enjoy it too:

    DiamondGeezer77, Salt lake City, United States, 5 hours ago
    I’m sure social workers will be queuing up for that – being dropped into dangerous, highly volatile situations unarmed, unsupported and with minimal training. Wandering into a potentially violent family dispute wearing sandals and holding a sign “Give Quiche a Chance” is asking for problems.

    So has anyone asked the social workers if they want to respond to police calls?

    They will only be responding to about 5% of police calls so the police will continue to respond to almost all the calls. “Last year, St. Petersburg Police responded to nearly 13,000 non-violent calls for service out of a total of 259,800 calls.” If the so-called non-violent calls seem risky imagine answering the other over 240,000 calls. This gives me a new appreciation for the police.

  12. anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Aristippus

    My opinion is that they are mostly going to be used to target the downtown homeless population.

    A couple of cops I know work near an Interstate where they check underpasses and larger culverts regularly. Homeless guys and bums have to be moved out over and over, for their own safety. There are guys who start off an interaction calmly and seem totally normal but they just….slide into their zone. Socrates has left the auditorium, rational talk is all done.

    At that point it’s all about how much of a problem exists. Is he / they just passing through or planning to hang around? Is there evidence of a recent fire? Those are not good under the highway. Some places flood easy during a rain, can’t leave anyone there, other areas get wet but not dangerous, but liability…it’s really not as easy as college counselor classes make it sound.

    There are resources locally although they’ve gotten thin this year. The local Gospel mission won’t take drunks or smokers or huffers, etc. for good reasons. Other places are less strict but there’s still limits. A social worker is not ready to deal with some of these guys.

    I’m also expecting a CAL to get cut to ribbons by a ginned up hobo with a box cutter within 6 months.

    Yeah, that’s an unfortunately likely prediction.

  13. yanouz says:

    I would watch the Christopher Guest mockumentary about a motley crew of neurotic social workers, psychologists, and assorted liberal arts grads attempting to deescalate crises as the newest unit of a defunded police department.

    How many minutes into the movie before the retired sociology professor played by Eugene Levy gets paralyzed from the neck down by a jittery crackhead?

  14. I used to know a lot of police officers, and they all universally told me, When responding to a domestic dispute call, the very first thing you do is, go into the kitchen and turn off the stove, make sure there are no pots of boiling water. Most domestic disputes involve a man physically abusing his woman, but once the po-po arrive, the woman will suddenly side with her man against the cops, and that’s when the fun begins.

    I look forward to troupes of Bennington and Oberlin grads getting scalded, in their new role as unarmed social-work Peace officers. I can already hear “Imagine” being sung en masse in the emergency rooms. Hell, maybe I’ll go back to working an ER, just for the lulz.

  15. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    All of Detroit’s criminals are white!
    Some things never change.

  16. BenKenobi says:
    @Anon

    All it takes is one lunge for the kitchen and the crazy person is armed and stabbing the unarmed social worker.

    Acceptable casualties in the war against Racism. PoC cost money, dead Whites cost nothing. We have reserves.

  17. @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    The solution, IMO, isn’t social workers, but non-lethally armed cops. Maybe cops should spend the first few years on the job without guns (with more senior, armed cops as backup). Give them experience in calming people down if possible, or non-lethally subduing them if not.

  18. @yanouz

    I’d like to see Police Academy: Social Work.

    • Replies: @Alden
  19. @Henry's Cat

    But they should be large and muscular social workers so they can wrestle problem people down without shooting them. They could wear uniforms to make them identifiable, perhaps blue.

  20. How expensive are social workers compared to policemen?

    • Replies: @Alden
  21. @Anon

    And no, no one has any way to tell if it’s a non-violent call ahead of time.

    Maybe this will “cull”–by one means or another–the number of young women who want to be social workers and “help people”.

    Maybe some of them will decide to get married and have babies and help them instead?

    This could be a win. (But i don’t really believe that.)

    • Replies: @SFG
  22. @Dave Pinsen

    The solution, IMO, isn’t social workers, but non-lethally armed cops. Maybe cops should spend the first few years on the job without guns (with more senior, armed cops as backup). Give them experience in calming people down if possible, or non-lethally subduing them if not.

    C’mon Dave, you know the drill.

    Talking and arresting is mostly what cops do.

    The cops kill a whopping 1000 people a year across the whole USA out of many million of police calls … and 90+% of those are armed suspects.

    The police can do better. We’ve seen the video of the egregious stuff like the murder of the drunk guy who didn’t crawl according to cop’s spec. There are a few cops–like that POS–who should be strung up. And a bunch who are just ill suited to the job and should be fired. But basically the cops do the job we ask them to do, and they kill more people than in other Western nations not because they are armed but because American criminals are armed.

  23. OT, via Spandrell’s twitter

    “The BBC has dropped Mermaids, The Gender Identity Research and Education Society (GIRES), The Gender Trust, and The LGBT Foundation from its information page for transgender people.”

    Was that the high tide for World War T, now we’re Back To Black?

  24. @Dave Pinsen

    Have you ever tried to calm down a blood-soaked, hysterical, seriously injured drug addict who thought that the doctors were trying to kill him? Because I have, dozens of times, maybe hundreds of times, and it doesn’t take “training,” it takes a particular temperament, which isn’t taught, it’s learned the hard way. It’s merely a matter of luck that my fingers weren’t bitten off. You’re awfully glib about your solutions.

    Good luck with that BA in “Calming Down Violent Blood-Spattered Crazy People, Nearly Always ‘Of Color’”. Make sure you do a minor in Comparative Religion. You’ll need it.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  25. Who said the social workers would be unarmed?

    • Replies: @fish
    , @Muggles
  26. I do not live in the USA and so perhaps my perspective is flawed, but this seems to me like a good change, to substitute social workers for police in response to non-criminal 911 calls. Armed US police dealing with domestic quarrels and such seems a mistake. As long as social workers realize what they are in for (very risky work in dangerous environments) they seem a better resource for these types of problems.

    Putting armed police into these situations often causes trouble and feeds resentment. The armed US police should pull back a bit and not try to completely control ghetto environments and should abandon the attempt to turn ghettos into Ozzie and Harriet-ville with near-zero crime rates. Let the ghetto be ghetto to some degree. The black ghetto isn’t Mayberry R.F.D. and trying to enforce that environment on black ghettos just feeds resentment. It is not a natural environment for an African-American community.

    Perhaps the urban crime rate was forced too low in recent years and should be higher?

    As I said I am outsider and just offering an outsider’s opinion.

  27. El Dato says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Now Beru just CALM DOWN. CALM DOWN okay?”

  28. Dan Hayes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    And they should be armed (at least with tasers).

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  29. Obviously there’s going to be calls where things do not go well, but the same could be said of calls to the cops. The list will need adjustments and as they find out what is working and what isn’t, this program needs to flexible with its protocols if it is to succeed.

    One problem I anticipate: not wanting potential customers discouraged by the sight of a social worker talking to an obnoxious drunk for two hours, business owners will learn to answer “yeah, he’s violent” on the call with hope that the cops will expediently haul away the drunk asshole from their establishment. So now the cops will have it in there mind that the guy is violent from the get go…

    Anyway, I’m not opposed to trying this, and I wish it success. Cops are expected to know when to play and how to play way too many roles.

  30. @AnotherDad

    We could still do better though. Per capita, police kill >10x more people in the U.S. than in France, which has its own violent diversity. A few years of on the job work/training before giving cops Glocks doesn’t seem unreasonable to me. It would also give losers like Mohamed Noor more time to washout before being lethally armed.

  31. El Dato says:

    OT:

    Momentous decisions (not, not Pelosi declaring mob rule A-OK in avuncular senility):

    With half the state now deemed a Native reservation, is a crime wave coming to Oklahoma?

    and

    Turning Hagia Sophia into a mosque will harm Christian-Muslim trust, hit tourism & turn West against Erdogan

    These citations come to my trashcan mind:

    We knew not whether we were in heaven or on earth, for surely there is no such splendor or beauty anywhere upon earth.

    —The envoy of Prince Vladimir of Kiev, describing the Church of the Divine Wisdom in Constantinople, 987.

    It is the rustiest old barn in heathendom.

    —S.L. Clemens, ditto, 1867.

    We will see how that turns out. That’s the with complex computational systems: You never know until you know.

  32. Polynikes says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    These pilot programs will fail for all the predictable reasons. Then we’ll never hear of them again.

  33. @anon

    Black Legumes Matter

    • LOL: gregor, Old Prude
  34. @Dave Pinsen

    But French people aren’t routinely armed. An armed society may be a polite society, but it’s also a nervous one.

  35. @AnotherDad

    Talking and arresting is mostly what cops do.

    The cops kill a whopping 1000 people a year across the whole USA out of many million of police calls … and 90+% of those are armed suspects.

    A few years ago, a 4-5% of the police killings were of the “unarmed”, last year it was closer to 2-3%. But unarmed is rather, shall we say, loosely defined. At least half those killings were going after the policeman’s gun and others were fleeing a shooting scene (having ditched the gun) Most of these were during a resisting arrest scenario.
    Both George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks were arrested for DUI (reading between the lines for Floyd).

    So yes, disarming the cops is likely to reduce killings, but not by as much as people assume. And there is likely to be a type-2 error or compensating bias.

    But’s a worthy experiment. State use of power should be minimized. If we forget for a moment who is pushing the agenda, we might even find ways to marginally improve the situation. At a minimum, the optics may improve police community relations. And no one will say, ‘it hasn’t even been tried”

  36. @Dave Pinsen

    Yes. I’m sure you’ve seen them down the Jersey Shore during the busy season, with the “special” officers. Most of them are young guys trying to convince a department to put them through the academy, or their first year or two out. They do a good job for the most part and get a chance to learn to defuse situations.

  37. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    Reality will hit utopianism when they start to hire or reassign people into these jobs, and get resistance.

    Universities are having a hard time getting professors to teach in person classes in the fall, a similar thing. And they need those in person classes, or the Chinese students paying full freight can’t get visas. The temporary Covid suspension of the in person rule is about to expire.

  38. BB753 says:
    @Anon

    “All it takes is one lunge for the kitchen and the crazy person is armed and stabbing the unarmed social worker.”

    That’s the idea. And it’s not a bad one, since social workers are usually woke SJWs.

  39. BB753 says:
    @AnotherDad

    “But basically the cops do the job we ask them to do, and they kill more people than in other Western nations not because they are armed but because American criminals are armed.”

    So are foreign criminals.

  40. George says:
    @Anon

    The social worker asses the situation and can call the armed police if the situation calls for it.

  41. Gordo says:

    White people will have to have our own separate police forces, paid for by the taxpayer of course.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/what-is-shomrim-the-custodians-who-act-as-london-s-jewish-policing-group-a3427601.html

    I mean if they can why can’t we?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  42. HBO has a good documentary called Ernie and Joe: Crisis Cops on two (armed) San Antonio detectives who are specialists in dealing with mental health crises and who train regular beat police how to defuse these situations. The cops are white and portrayed sympathetically since it was made before the current year. The full documentary is on youtube:

  43. MLK says:
    @Nathan

    It’s worth not knee-jerk dismissing some changes, as Sailer is impliedly doing.

    One way to think about it is that a Social Worker in this context is simply not a police officer in an era in which cops have become law enforcement for a variety of reasons, mostly dysfunctional.

    Let’s take one of the easier ones, ironically — suicidal ideation. Suicide-By-Cop causes all sorts of problems, particularly in the age of the internet.

    Using Big Data makes sense all around.

  44. SC Rebel says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    LOL.

    The movie Demolition Man comes to mind when the wimpy cop is listening to instructions from his hand held device in how to subdue Simon Phoenix.

    “In a firm tone of voice, instruct the maniac to put his hands on his head. Add the words, or else”.

    Yeah that worked swimmingly for the San Angeles police department, didn’t it?

  45. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Good luck with all that. What sort of background does a social worker need, a MS of Social Work? Aren’t most of them women? A large percentage of homeless are released ex-convicts, drug users and people with mental issues with most being at least two of the three. They’ll ignore the social workers since they only respect the pecking order of who has the most force. After a couple injured or dead social workers they’ll have to reevaluate their concepts.

  46. @anon

    I’m going to buy some, and I don’t even like Latino food. It tastes like the housekeeper made it.

  47. In the UK and other countries police without firearms respond to the vast majority of these kind of complaints without having to resort calling in police with guns or using the non-lethal weapons that they do carry with them.

    Seeing that the vast majority of 911 calls are over somewhat trivial things, it seems possible that some kind of community policing could be used to triage these mental health situations, take reports of burglaries, etc.

    Perhaps it would be beneficial for US cops to have some organized training in exchange programs with cops in major cities overseas, where they ride along with local cops. While no country has magic solutions, an exchange of ideas is always beneficial and could lead to different approaches and creative changes.

  48. Rosie says:
    @Nathan

    What exactly do social workers DO anyway? Has any “social worker” in history ever made a difference, or is it just a racket for government employees to profit off of social ills?

    Yes, they can make a difference, often by connecting families and individuals with services they may need to address the contributing factors leading to the problem behavior, like addiction rehab, food pantries, etc.

    That is all to the good, but social workers should get involved later in the process. They shouldn’t be showing up unarmed to a volatile crime scene.

    This whole kerfuffle has me thinking about Rotherham. We are headed towards the same climate of impunity that led to that outrage.

  49. @Clifford Brown

    Let’s give this terrible dilemma its due consideration.

  50. @Jonathan Mason

    In the proposed overseas exchange training program, the police officers with the highest priority would be those who are responsible for training other police officers, as they are the most influential within police forces, and would spend time seeing how police are trained in other countries and what possible differences there might be that could be incorporated into US police training.

  51. Rule No. 1: Call must originate from area at least 20 miles from Detroit city limits.

  52. SFG says:
    @AnotherDad

    You need two incomes to get by now.

    What are those young moms going to do to help pay for college once the kids get old enough? Right.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Alden
  53. Currahee says:

    What a fine idea. Hope lots of social workers sign up for duty.

  54. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Lots of videos on the internet of Brit police officers getting beatdowns from the people they’re supposed to be policing.

    In the old days there was a minimum height requirement which ensured that even when unarmed policemen were big enough to overpower average citizens. However that was abolished a long time ago for the usual politically correct reasons.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
  55. JMcG says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Dave, I think you’re just too kind-hearted. Cops like Mohammed Noor will never be washed out. If anything, they’ll be kicked upstairs. Very much the way incompetent black teachers are pushed into administration.

    • Replies: @Gianni in Guernsey
  56. jsolbakken says: • Website

    Hey, am I the only one who thought of arming the social workers? We could give them M-16’s and hand grenades and train them in their use, and, voilà, problem solved.

  57. @Dave Pinsen

    It would also give losers like Mohamed Noor more time to washout before being lethally armed.
    You’re kidding, right? Mohamed Noor was a much-acclaimed diversity hire. He would have been floated along no matter how obvious was his incompetence. Nothing short of killing a woman for no reason whatsoever could get him booted off the force.

    • Agree: Gordo
  58. JEG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I wonder if there are any data on what percentage of social workers are large, muscular and willing and able to wrestle anyone down. My guess would be 1% at most.

  59. Dan Smith says:

    I recall a body cam video from a small town in Wisconsin where a passenger was asked to get off an intercity bus because he was drunk. Sounds like a good job for a social worker, right? Turns out he was packing heat and started a downtown shootout with two cops, one of whom was wounded. Then he tried to grab a hostage who was wounded in the crossfire before the perp died. You just never know.

  60. @Anon

    To paraphrase Phil Sheridan, “The only good social worker is a dead social worker.”

  61. Wilkey says:
    @Dan Hayes

    And we should probably give them their own, well-marked vehicles, so they don’t have to use their own personal cars for work purposes. And maybe put flashing lights on top so they could alert people who need a visit from a social worker. And maybe protect the driver in the front seat from occupants in the back seat, just in case they ever needed to transport some of the crazier cases to…I dunno, somewhere, maybe like a holding pen of some sort. And maybe we should give them radios just in case they ever need more assistance.

    In fact, their whole job description is starting to sound so different from current social workers that we should probably come up with an entirely new name for this type of job. If only we already had a word for it…

    * Just as an aside, in a different era this would have been a great Saturday Night Live sketch, where they abolish the police and start outfitting their social workers to look…exactly like the police. Except that all of the social workers would be short and dumpy and fat and wearing Che Guevara shirts and have absolutely no idea how to handle a weapon and would go all bug-eyed as they were turned into a ridiculously incompetent-looking version of police officers. They wouldn’t do this sketch today, of course, which is why SNL has stopped being funny.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @JMcG
  62. @Reg Cæsar

    St Pete is “God’s waiting room”

    St Pete is Scientology Town – in terms of general population insanity, think Ann Arbor or Madison. These folks make Mor(m)ons and Quakers look sane by comparison.

    • Replies: @Aristippus
  63. Wilkey says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In the UK and other countries police without firearms respond to the vast majority of these kind of complaints without having to resort calling in police with guns or using the non-lethal weapons that they do carry with them.

    In these other countries you mention: 1) Are firearms as widely owned as they are in the US?; 2) Do they have racial makeups similar to that of the US?

    I think these countries will find that, as they diversify, armed officers will become increasingly necessary, especially when policing parts of town where the officer is a outnumbered by people of other races who do not want to see the law enforced. Rotherham is one of only many examples of where the government turned a blind eye in such a situation.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  64. Anyone who has worked at an inpatient psych ward will testify as to the general emotional unpredictabality and inordinate strength often possessed by residents. Decades of consistently positive interpersonal relations are no guarantee of future safety. Minimal physical conditioning is illusory once biochemistry flows, and lethargy flips to berserker mania in microseconds. Experience informs being calm, quiet, and kind but always defensively aware. Most conflict can be prevented with mindful situational awareness and control, but it is always surprising how strong, fast, and brutal individuals can be. Unfortunately, only experience can teach this wisdom and many find they’re not actually cut out for the job upon their first difficult situation….

  65. @Wilkey

    Americans have the right to be armed. A citizen being armed should not be an immediate “kill shot” by the police. If the government employee is armed, the citizen has every right and duty to be armed. PERIOD

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  66. On the one hand, more jobs for social workers.

    On the other hand the job just got a lot more hazardous.

  67. The state of the world in 2020:

  68. One thing to consider, how many encounters only become violent when Officer Badgeheavy rolls up and starts demanding immediate compliance? How many encounters become violent because Officer Badgeheavy is a gutless coward?

    A few years ago there was an elderly man in a nursing home. He was supposed to be taken to the hospital for some procedure. I don’t remember if it was surgery or tests of some kind. He was old, tired and probably sick of being poked and prodded. He refused. Officer Badgeheavy showed up and went into his “Respect Muh Authorith” routine. The fed up old man picked up a cane/shoe horn and finally threatened the cops with a knife. Why did it get to the point the old guy picked up a knife to defend himself? First they tried using a taser, then they brought out the beanbag shotgun. The old man died after being shot 3 times in the stomach with the beanbag.

    The cop is getting paid no matter what his is doing. Why not back out of the room. Send in someone else talking in a calm, deescalating voice and offer the old dude a pudding cup. Wait till the old guy falls asleep. Ask him about his grandkids. Anything to defuse the situation.

    During my past I have worked with developmentally disabled adults. Some of them were quite large and strong. They had brains addled both by birth defects and in some cases years of drug use.
    We were trained to take them down and control them without using any strikes. No damn reason on this earth why cops cannot use the same methods.

    • Replies: @Charlotte
  69. Cortes says:

    Sounds like the job for Geraldine:

    “Geraldine”

    When your sparkle evades your soul
    I’ll be at your side to console
    When you’re standing on the window ledge
    I’ll talk you back, back from the edge
    I will turn, I will turn your tide
    Be your Shepherd and your guide
    When you’re lost in the deep and darkest place around
    May my words walk you home safe and sound
    When you say that I’m no good and you feel like walking
    I need to make sure you know that’s just the prescription talking
    When your feet decide to walk you on the wayward side
    Up upon the stairs and down the downward slide
    I will turn, I will turn your tide
    Do all that I can to heal you inside
    I will be the angel on your shoulder
    My name is Geraldine, I’m your social worker

  70. @Steve Sailer

    In the NYPD unions press conference of several weeks ago, they gave a laundry list of assignments that NYPD cops hated doing but that were assigned to cops after other agencies failed to handle them adequately. I think mental health calls were on that list. It makes a lot of sense. The kind of people who become social workers are not the kind of people who are going to walk into a chaotic situation and deal with it effectively. However, I think the ability and readiness to use lethal force are not the issue so much. But we shall see, shan’t we?

  71. Carol says:
    @notsaying

    Used to lurk in the /socialworkers sub of reddit. They’re already a bunch of hapless, well meaning and underpaid saps.

    They basically hook people up with “social services” i.e. welfare. They go into it for job security.

    Time to lurk again!

  72. @Jonathan Mason

    Perhaps it would be beneficial for US cops to have some organized training in exchange programs with cops in major cities overseas, where they ride along with local cops.

    Perhaps it would be beneficial for US [citizens] to have some organized training in exchange programs with [residents of] major cities overseas, where they ride along with [more civilized people].


    • Replies: @Known Fact
  73. @AnotherDad

    Comparative rates of violence between different countries do not correlate with rates of firearm ownership.

  74. @Henry's Cat

    The social workers need protection, The should be accompanied by a bodyguard.
    Off-duty cops do this stuff all the time.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  75. @Henry's Cat

    The solution should be obvious – armed social workers.

    Customs agents have the aura of cops, but immigration officers– at airports, not land ports– do come off very much as armed social workers. 99%+ of arriving passengers obey the law, or at least try to, so it’s important not to frighten them. But the officers carry pistols.

    Same with dogs. Customs uses big, vigorous breeds. Agriculture, which catches many people sneaking apples off the plane, prefers beagles.

  76. Farenheit says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Out were I live, social workers can give transit workers a good run for their money in the physique department…would a 5’6″, 250 lbs tattooed SJW have a calming effect on a schizophrenic on speed?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  77. Thomas says:

    The outcome of this is entirety predictable. Eventually one of these “liaisons” is going to meet their fate at the wrong end of a knife or gun. Then they’ll demand a police escort on their calls. So we’ll be right back to square one.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @LittleNano
  78. Altai says:

    OT: After the blackface sketch of Jimmy Kimmel came back to light (As well as other Gen X shockjock stuff like saying ‘Nigger’ on a comedy music album) Jimmy went into celebrity exile to make sure this all dies down before the Emmy’s he is hosting. (I’ve no idea why, he is a terrible host, so uncharismatic and twitchy he makes Chuck Schumer look like Clint Eastwood.)

    Anyway he has taken the rest of the summer off to ‘spend time with his family’ (No joke, that’s actually what he said) and given the ‘show’ (Skype interviews posted on YouTube) to guest hosts.

    First guest host was the guy from Black-ish who decided to interview Bubba Wallace. (Long after he, NASCAR and the FBI admitted to the reality of the ‘noose’)

    As well as the mayor of DC and several other only black people.

    Second is Billy Eichner who interviewed the black guy running against Lindsey Graham. (Because that’s just what the audience wants!)

  79. Anonymous[111] • Disclaimer says:

    1. Don’t take the law into your hands. Always call the police.

    2. You will be charged for calling the police, esp about blacks.

    Btw, what about blacks calling the police about TV shows?

  80. JMcG says:
    @Wilkey

    I havent seen SNL in twenty years or so, but even at that time, it had only been funny for a cumulative seven or eight minutes.

  81. And instead of K-9 shepherds the social workers will have Bedlington terriers

    https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/bedlington-terrier/

  82. @Reg Cæsar

    Hey, a fellow Pirate fan! How ’bout those Buccos, my good man!

  83. tyrone says:

    Why not provide more training for police in social work/counseling skills………oh no that would take MORE money.

  84. J. Farmer says:
    @Rosie

    That’s partlybwhat my practice has done for 20 years. Although, I’ve been notorious for saying that you could probably eliminate a lot of services with no appreciable change in outcome. Luckily, our niche is diagnostics and evaluation. We don’t have to be bothered with annoying things like outcomes.

  85. Altai says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    One thing that always bothered me in parts of continental Europe (Even including Scandinavia) was the changing of uniforms from traditional uniforms (Wearing combat boots, loose fitting pants like a construction worker complete with reflector material. Sometimes including a military style pointed hat.) into almost paramilitary style. It immediately changed the dynamic of how police came off. This is changing in Britain and Ireland too but slower. It just makes the police look more brutish and aggressive. This was most starkly made clear when the police in Brussels went around with automatic weapons in teams with soliders. Only the colour of the uniforms was different.

    You don’t really feel as comfortable around them. If you’re already inclined to not like them maybe it makes them seem more like a dehumanised occupation force.

    Though this isn’t really a problem in the US. Police in the US still mostly look traditional just with added stab vests. Though I always wondered if the simple difference in colour might even make a difference, the LAPD v NYPD. It might seem irrelevant but over time I wonder if it doesn’t inform the identity of the police and communities they police. LAPD just look meaner.

    • Agree: Daniel H
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  86. Anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Why the heck shouldn’t they kill crazy violent people? These people are a burden on society, and we’re better off if they’re dead.

    The blunt truth is that all lives don’t matter.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  87. In state government budgets, one of the fastest growing items is spending on programs related to mental health.

    For instance, ever-higher spending on outpatient clinics, occupational therapy programs for victims of Alzheimer’s, etc.

    But this news article hints at how, through the magic of government accounting, such spending (full-employment for nutso psychologists and busybody LCSWs who vote DEM) often gets camouflaged in the budgets of other items.

    “Grief counselors will be on-hand ..”

  88. SafeNow says:

    At airport terminals, curbside, it requires regular police to prevent passenger-pickup cars from standing at the curb. This would be a perfect situation to use non-police, but alas, the drivers of pickup cars apparently would not respect non-police. And these airport pickup drivers are a respectable cohort, compared with other groups. This tells us something about the wild-west, Dirty Harry, Don’t Tread on Me sensibility of Americans. In St. Pete, the shuffleboard capital of the world, non-police might work for shuffleboard disputes; but otherwise, it is hopeless.

  89. prosa123 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    In all of Germany, population 80+ million, police officers normally fire fewer than 100 shots at humans in a typical year.

  90. Anon[830] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: You know what would help to cut down on crime? Make it legal for a person who is not a native resident of a municipality, county, or state, if caught committing a crime, to have all their assets seized to support that person in prison at their own expense instead of at the state’s expense. That would bottle up libtards in their own sewer and keep areas not polluted by them pristine, like a nature preserve.

    It would also make economic sense, since it would take the financial burden off that district for supporting a criminal who has never paid taxes there. Big cities tend to spawn these criminals, who sometimes wander of the plantation to go committing crime sprees in suburban and rural districts elsewhere. This is fiscal common sense.

  91. My guess is this will lead to an overall increase in 911 calls, as social workers who were dispatched on the „non-violent“ calls make frantic subsequent 911 calls when the situation goes chimp out.

  92. @prosa123

    In all of Germany, population 80+ million, police officers normally fire fewer than 100 shots at humans in a typical year.

    Um, what else are they shooting at?

  93. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I look forward to troupes of Bennington and Oberlin grads getting scalded, in their new role as unarmed social-work Peace officers.

    Most social workers in cities with vibrant populations are themselves vibrant. I doubt they will be sending Austin and Summer into the ghetto. It will likely be <90 IQ social workers sent in to resolve <75 IQ disputes, unarmed. What could go wrong?

    My guess is a new sub-category of black-on-black shooting.

  94. prosa123 says:

    NYC’s experience with traffic control agents might be a useful guide. Until about 20 years ago the agents were part of the municipal transportation department and wore the distinctive brown uniforms that gave them the nickname Brownies. They were constantly getting beaten by angry vehicle owners who didn’t appreciate getting expensive tickets.
    Then someone had the idea of bringing the Brownies under the control of the police department and giving them new unforms that look something like NYPD uniforms. They are unarmed and have no police powers other than writing tickets for traffic and parking violations. Even so, the fact that they are associated with the police seems to have deterred most assaults, the rate of which has gone way down.

  95. @Rosie

    Good thoughts, Rosie.

    Unfortunately, we are already well along the way toward Rotherham-like problems, sometimes with the involvement of those like Child Protective Services (or ilk). Too many instances here in and around Philly where said CPS workers either ignored red flag warnings, or just botched supervision (maybe due to case load?), and an innocent little child winds up dead.

    Then there is an outcry, followed by what? One is never sure, because the newspaper journalism that got a lot of mileage out of “if it bleeds, it leads” sensationalism, evaporates in favor of breathless crap about what outrage Orange Man is supposed to have done or said today. Crusading on lapses in CPS would be doing God’s work; but, in the final analysis, they don’t actually give a shit about preventing dead kids. My detestation of what passes for journalism today knows no bounds.

  96. This is a good policy. Pigs are all too trigger-happy and enjoy escalating otherwise benign encounters. I’m not sure why Sailer and others here are such ardent pig lickers.

  97. The problem is that progressive ideas fail and then they forget that their ideas fail.

    Here’s an idea for improvement:

  98. Speaking of the goon squad, OT, Samsung phones are doing BULLSHIT-2020 contact tracing via Samsung Health app, so make sure to disable this app unless you want the squad to forcibly imprison you and everyone in your Contacts. Yes, a putative health app requires access to your GPS location, your contacts, and your camera. Disable with extreme prejudice. And, more than ever:

    Get Out Live Life!

  99. @prosa123

    Diversity will change that.

    Just as California is the future of America (hoping for more of those Black-Mestizo race riots), Sweden is the future of Europe

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden#2016

  100. @Thomas

    There will definitely be some implementation problems. It will be difficult to staff those positions with experienced people. Any social worker with time under their belt isn’t going to touch those positions no matter the pay. They’re well aware of the mental health issues out in society and the risks.

    That means those positions will likely be filled with new graduates. I would expect long term the average level of experience for those positions to range three to six months. Which means you’ll never have people with the skill set (experience) to deal with even the easiest crisis.

  101. @prosa123

    In all of Germany, population 80+ million, police officers normally fire fewer than 100 shots at humans in a typical year.

    And how many times do they confront people waving around handguns?

    I’m guessing the armed criminals in Germany do not tend to be the sort who act like a complete doofus. Some effort–and IQ–went into getting the gun. They are more likely to be the sort of criminal who is able to get away, or if necessary ditch the gun or will drop it when confronted.

    I like Germany–i really do. But it’s just not the US. We have more fu guys. And way, way, way more armed fu guys.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  102. Anon7 says:

    Yeah, my college-educated son doesn’t understand why the persons who pull over cars for traffic violations need to be police officers who carry guns…

  103. anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    But they would have to be Tom of Finland style large and muscular men in police uniforms. Or Reno 911 style police in short shorts.

  104. @Nathan

    “What exactly do social workers DO anyway?”

    They mostly help women go on welfare – there’s a ton of agencies and paperwork to navigate, and this befuddles 90 IQ drug addicts. Social workers help criminal justice system-involved people get drug n alcohol classes, mental health treatment, parenting classes, and whatever else ordered by the courts. It is a miserable job with a yearly turnover rate exceeding 100% because you interact with violent stupid drug addicts all day long.

  105. Clyde says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I have not seen that movie since it came out. I must see it again!

  106. Wouldn’t it be more personal if social workers just answered 911 calls?

  107. @SFG

    What are those young moms going to do to help pay for college once the kids get old enough? Right.

    Pay for college … Adorable. College will be free in President Abrams’ America, though it may look more like a Uighur work camp than the university campii we had until recently.

  108. @AnotherDad

    What’s interesting about the German police shooting reports is the number of perps who attack them with knives … oh, and the guy who attacked them with a sword, which reminds me of this:

  109. @Henry's Cat

    Maybe they should ask a Social Worker.

    I was a San Francisco Social Worker for the Department of Social Services in the sixties. I was also big (6’4″ 280 lbs.) and lifted weights regularly. I quit at least partly because I was being exploited. They gave me all the violent cases and sent me down to the lobby to break up fights or when someone pulled a gun. I was virtually the only one who would do a home visit to Hunter’s Point or the Fillmore. Social Workers, most of whom are women, typically signed out for the field but went home after lunch. Full time pay. Part time work. The case workers in my unit worked only two or three hours a day.

    Social Workers complain a lot and burst out in tears over how awful everything is for them but are in fact corrupt, arrogant and privileged. After I got out I’ve worked in the public sector, the private sector, and in Voluntary Health. I had hundreds of employees and hired almost as many. I’ve met or managed a lot of different kinds of workers. No one is as lazy, sanctimonious and as self absorbed as a Social Worker.

    I got no extra pay for having the toughest cases. I was not appreciated. Social Workers liked to say – “I’m not a cop”. I understand that cops say – “I’m not a social worker”.

    I wasn’t really a social worker either. I passed the Civil Service test but I had made a career mistake. I was a normal not one of the sleezy parasites that are public Social Workers .

    • Thanks: vhrm, Gordo
  110. Dmon says:
    @prosa123

    2A – take the good with the bad. In all of the US, population 200+ million averaged over the last 100 years, SS officers normally gas fewer than 1 jew in a typical year.

  111. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Perhaps it would be beneficial for US cops to have some organized training in exchange programs with cops in major cities overseas, where they ride along with local cops.

    From a lot of what I’ve read, UK cops deal with the rigors of thier job by just not doing it. Instead they harass people for “racism” and various other nanny-state infractions. Perhaps some UK readers of this blog could weigh in with their opinions.

  112. Mr. Anon says:
    @prosa123

    In all of Germany, population 80+ million, police officers normally fire fewer than 100 shots at humans in a typical year.

    And the number of shots fired / per person is probably even lower still in Japan.

    And if the US was populated overwhelmingly with Germans or Japanese, our police could probably achieve similar results.

    But it isn’t, and they can’t.

    • Replies: @RickTen99
  113. Mr. Anon says:

    Perhaps more funding needs to be made available to train criminals how to deal with the police.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  114. donut says:
    @yanouz

    More likely what you’ll see is a new Law & Order show about the diverse new unit’s rescuing the blameless homeless crack heads , ho’s and sundry other POC who are the victims of White oppression and systematic racism . It practically writes itself .

  115. @Nathan

    They, uh, “socialize?”

    Beyond that, I’m pretty much tapped out.

  116. I’m thinking this is an excellent job opportunity for young people who obtained a psychology degree from Washington’s Evergreen State College. Heck, I’d even relieve there student loan debt if the willing to be first responders to the above 911 list……..then Darwin happens.

  117. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    A few years ago, an old black lady called the cops to help her bring her middle aged son back to his mental hospital. He stepped out the door with a screw driver, and didn’t drop it when the cops asked him too, so they shot him to death. That’s a case where non-lethally armed cops would have come in handy.

  118. @Anonymous

    “In the old days there was a minimum height requirement which ensured that even when unarmed policemen were big enough to overpower average citizens.”

    That, plus minimum physical fitness requirements, plus advanced unarmed combat training — required and kept up to date — would result in a police department that earned the respect of the public, and, grudgingly, the criminal class.

    What we have now with lightweight female and overweight, middle aged male, cops depending on Tasers and still unable to defend themselves, is only appropriate for already very law abiding communities. Lowering requirements even further in the big, diversity-ridden cities is a recipe for disaster.

  119. fish says:
    @The Alarmist

    Who said the social workers would be unarmed?

    You’re right…..they will be armed……with knowledge and compassion!

  120. @Stan d Mute

    You’re thinking about Clearwater. St Pete is far left because it’s many liberal older retirees and the overpriced housing is terrible for family formation.

  121. @Dave Pinsen

    He stepped out the door with a screw driver, and didn’t drop it when the cops asked him too, so they shot him to death. That’s a case where non-lethally armed cops would have come in handy.

    Or Leah from See Jane Drill.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/seejanedrill

    Unless you meant he was breaking the open-container law:

  122. black sea says:
    @Patrick Boyle

    Social Workers, most of whom are women, typically signed out for the field but went home after lunch. Full time pay. Part time work. The case workers in my unit worked only two or three hours a day.

    I used to have a friend in Seattle who was a social worker and who followed the same type of schedule you describe. He always kept a golf bag in his trunk so that in the afternoons, when he was doing “field work,” he could hit the links.

    When he explained this to me, I must’ve appeared somewhat taken aback because he rather defensively maintained that, unlike several of his colleagues, he wasn’t doing this every day of the week, only two or three days. He and his colleagues all complained about their ineffectual supervisor, whom they had dubbed “the Sloth Pig,” and whom they swore was the laziest of the whole lot of them.

    Strange place.

  123. @JMcG

    Dame Cressida Dick possible OBE as well is the incompetent commissioner who apologised th two people of colour athletes who were driving down the wrong way of a one way street leading them to racially profiled such is th reward for tucking up a surveillance operatio leading to the shooting of BRazilian electrian and coming up with a bullshit excuse that CCTV easily disproved. Naturally the media sided with the lesbian who had to be stretched to meet the minimum height requirement. DeMint I forgot to mention she is an incompetent lesbian.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  124. @Patrick Boyle

    Luckily those women as well as Dame Cressida Dick were only on 70% of a man’s pay!

  125. Neoconned says:
    @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    There have been MANY OF THESE incidents I’ve read about where a loved one calls the cops & the victim ends up dead.

    Here’s a Proud Boy LARPtard who placed 2 masked door to door salesmen under “citizens arrest” because he thought they were antifa:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.9news.com/amp/article/news/investigations/loveland-man-antifa-roofing-employees/73-c9e63588-b99d-45c5-bc34-81e22093cf91

    Meanwhile here’s a few old news stories i recall about these sorts of incidents:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/03/idaho-police-shootings-jeanetta-riley-justice-for-arfee

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3475964/amp/Kansas-police-officers-shot-naked-woman-dead-asking-gun.html

  126. @anon

    By coincidence, I was drinking Goya Coconut Juice while reading this post last night. It claimed to rehydrate you quickly, and after a couple of Leinies, that’s what I needed. To wake up without a headache.

  127. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Irony of ironies… yes, the ‘Karens’ and ‘Beckys’ are bad, but the real crying-wolf in the US is pulling the alarm on ‘racism’. In other words, ‘Jussies’ and ‘Tawanas’ are far worse. And then, there are Jewish ‘Sabrinas'(Rubin Erdely) and ‘Michaels'(Kadar).
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-israeli-man-sentenced-10-years-over-anti-semitic-n939281
    Furthermore, the reason why there are so many ‘Karens’ and ‘Beckys’ is because PC ‘woke’ culture encouraged everyone to be a kind of Stasi and see KKK everywhere, like at Oberlin. Chances are, calls to the police about black crime are more likely to be justified than black or PC alarm-bells about ‘racism’ or KKK-sightings.

    Also, these bitchy ‘Karens’ usually buzz around like mosquitoes around other whites. At 32:53 of the video below. Just the most awful kind of people trying to turn all the world into one SAFE SPACE. (How the dissident right fell for the covid hysteria is beyond comprehension, but that’s another subject. Covid, like zombies in movies, can be a metaphor for anything for any side. The Nazi virus, KKK virus, Chicom virus, or Pearl Harbor virus.) “Do you burn crosses?”, the stupid idiot asks in the video. Minds infected with PC and Hollywood with no connection to reality. The constant need to be outraged over something to feel holier-than-others. A nation of harpies.

  128. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    The ‘anti-nazi’ progs have no idea how nazi-like they are. But then, Germany went from nazi to stasi.

    Joachim Fest wrote of his father, the resolute German bourgeois liberal who refused to cooperate with the Nazis.

    Buruma’s review of the book.

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2014/08/14/joachim-fest-superior-german-liberal/

    But guess what happened to Buruma for being against the Zeitgeist?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/new-york-review-of-books-editor-ian-buruma-steps-down

    Gorbachev’s Glasnost was about breathing, speaking freely. Getting things off your chest that had been suppressed under communist orthodoxy.

    But these days, you better know which way the wind blows. You better know the weather, the current political climate. Don’t go against the wind. And don’t speak what is unspeakable. And don’t even dare breathe is you’re not ‘one of us’. Interesting how the very people who hounded Bush II for the words “If you are not with us, you’re against us” now think alike.
    No wonder Covid mania caught on so easily. It syncs with the hysteria about political infection, what with KKK and Nazis everywhere. Call the FBI! There’s a sign that says “It’s OK to be white”.
    Mask, the perfect metaphor for the current climate. Bad words will infect you. Don’t you dare exhale evil, try not to inhale evil.

  129. @Farenheit

    Out were I live, social workers can give transit workers a good run for their money in the physique department…would a 5’6″, 250 lbs tattooed SJW have a calming effect on a schizophrenic on speed?

    Are there strange futuristic creatures out here that I don’t know about? Like something with the body of a crab and the head of a social worker?

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070707/characters/nm0000095

  130. Altai says:

    OT: Another apparent anti-white attack. Black man stabbing white men in what appears to be a racially-motivated attack on the NYC subway.

    It’s 2020, the NYC subway is clean from graffiti but we have racially aggravated attacks. But the subway is clean from graffiti, so the editors of the Economist don’t know what you’re complaining about.

    If the new evidence proported from the body cams is true, Chauvin has a very high chance of getting off and god only knows what kind of shit that will start. Though I suspect that maybe getting an impartial jury will be impossible and any jury or proceedings will deliver a guilty verdict no matter what the true opinions of those involved are. I can imagine every jury being doxed and anyone else charged with making a decision too. Helter skelter ya’ll.

  131. @Chris Mallory

    Americans have the right to be armed. A citizen being armed should not be an immediate “kill shot” by the police. If the government employee is armed, the citizen has every right and duty to be armed. PERIOD

    You sure about that? Earlier generations of Americans would vociferously disagree:

    “No free negro or mulatto shall be suffered to keep or carry any firelock of any kind, any military weapon, or any powder or lead; and any free negro or mulatto who shall so offend, shall, on conviction before a justice of the peace, forfeit all such arms and ammunition to the use of the informer; and shall moreover be punished with stripes, at the discretion of the justice, not exceeding thirty-nine lashes.”

    An act to amend an act entitled, “an act reducing into one the several acts concerning slaves, free negroes and mulattoes, and for other purposes” (March 15, 1832)

    “No free negro or mulatto shall be suffered to keep any fire arms of any kind, or ammunition, or anv military weapon, dirk or bowie knife, and on conviction thereof…”

    The Revised Code of the Statute Laws of the State of Mississippi

    “No free negro or mulatto shall be suffered to keep or carry any firelock, or weapon of any kind, or any ammunition, without a license first…”

    The Revised Statutes of the State of Missouri

    • Replies: @anon
    , @NOTA
  132. Wilkey says:
    @prosa123

    In all of Germany, population 80+ million, police officers normally fire fewer than 100 shots at humans in a typical year.

    Milton Friedman, talking to some guy from Sweden:

    Swede: ‘In Sweden we have almost no poverty.’

    Milton: ‘In the USA, among Swedes, we have almost no poverty, too.’

  133. Muggles says:
    @Anon

    Re: social workers instead of cops.

    Many of the police shootings involve in progress “domestic violence.” Often repeat offenders. So what 25 YO young thing with a degree in family psychology is going to stop that? Just be another bothersome female in the mix.

    As for crazies, there is a long held street wisdom that says that even hard core street thugs and robbers rarely interact with the obviously crazy. People singing, talking to themselves, dirty, disheveled, bags of crap they haul around, dogs, incoherent rambling, to name a few tells.

    These hardened criminal lowlifes see too many of those in jail processing, as cellies, in prison, in emergency room waiting areas, etc. They know that while usually not dangerous, mentally unstable people can lash out and attack in unexpected ways. That voice they hear tells them that you are the devil, or something. Then knives and hatchets are pulled out.

    Best to avoid. So Sally Social Worker isn’t going to fare well in her “interaction” with Mr. Crazy. Especially if he’s already off meds and acting out to the extent 911 is called. Only side benefit for cops is that when they show up to rescue/recover Ms. Sally, they will have justification for their shooting the crazy person. .

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  134. Muggles says:
    @The Alarmist

    >>Who said the social workers would be unarmed?<<

    Well the commie mayors pushing this idea never bother to go into the details. They imply that these police replacements are not going to be armed.

    The only way armed social workers could happen is if they were all certified law enforcement and/or retirees from police agencies.

    Being legally allowed to carry arms (or weapons) in public and interact with people while on government payroll would require the same level of training, or more, if "social workers" carried weapons that were of any use.

    And you currently see how much the SJW mob loves well trained police with guns. Do you imagine these hypothetical "social workers" carrying arms would get a pass from BLM or the Soros mafia?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  135. Muggles says:
    @Bill Jones

    >>The social workers need protection, The should be accompanied by a bodyguard.
    Off-duty cops do this stuff all the time.<<

    If you defund the police departments, as is being done now in commie cities, there won't be any "off duty" cops to accompany the social workers. And any few remaining ones will be so overworked and tired they won't work "off duty."

    If you do use actual cops the social work would become twice as expensive per visit. Cities are going broke as it is.

    If they required social workers to accompany cops doing domestic disturbance and crazies call outs, then these liberal idealists would learn about perps, dangers and human behavior at its worst. Not just signing up baby mamas for welfare.

  136. Cortes says:
    @Gianni in Guernsey

    Maybe the family of Harry Stanley

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Harry_Stanley

    could get a proper inquiry from the Metropolitan Police now? Those mended chair legs are a killer, apparently. Especially at a distance.

  137. The Secret Parties Billionaires Don’t Want You To Know About

    Stanley Kubrick’s 1999 film “Eyes Wide Shut” may have been understating it.

  138. J.Ross says:

    Every single one of those has enormous potential for violence. Leftists are confirmed for sophomores who reject or do not appreciate phronesis. They see all problems as arithmetic problems you solve sitting at a desk with all the information. Now we get to count how many people will die or be injured under this entirely preventable stupidity, and compare it to CHAZ or Space-For-Destruction, or various areas locked down by blue flu.
    “Relax! It’s only a mental health crisis!”

  139. Alden says:
    @Change that Matters

    Lets start working on the script for Police Academy Social Work. 95 year old Betty White as the spunky social worker who solves every situation.

    In many counties the child services workers who respond to child abuse reports are always accompanied by police officers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  140. Alden says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    About $40,000 a year less. And they tend to work till they’re 65 instead of retiring with a pension at 43.

  141. Are these girls abos, immigrants, or regular Aussies somewhere in-between?

    SLAUGHTERED Girl, 10, found with throat slit and words carved into her flesh as female cousin, 14, arrested

    Does this happen in Old South Wales?

    • Replies: @Cortes
  142. Alden says:
    @SFG

    Long before the kids go to college, the young moms have to work to pay rent or mortgage property taxes and utilities just to keep a roof over the family’s heads.

    Or the spouses can just split up or never get married and mom and kids can live on welfare while Dad works and has a separate address.

    White moms can work or we can live like POCs.

    I’ve always wondered how many White children these guys constantly urging White women to bear children have.

  143. @Joseph Doaks

    This. My experience w UK cops only extends to Northern Ireland, so take note, but the interview for the RUC (shows how dated I am!) officially asked what position you were in rugby. Not “did you play sports in school?”, that was a given. It was “can you hit and be hit?”

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  144. Cortes says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Seems white from the denatured photo on the Telegraph report.

    • Replies: @anon
  145. @Alden

    Lets start working on the script for Police Academy Social Work. 95 year old Betty White as the spunky social worker who solves every situation.

    She’s 98, and would be a centennarienne by the time of release.

    We could call it Uplift, She Wrote.

  146. @Mr. Anon

    Perhaps more funding needs to be made available to train criminals how to deal with the police.

    I can’t believe how rarely this point is brought up. To always have the discussion be about retraining the police is avoiding the real source of the problem. Can’t we just say, publicly, that if black people would stop resisting arrest and try to show a civilized respect for authority the “police brutality” issue would largely go away? Maybe there’s no hope that underclass blacks will change their ways, but shouldn’t their behavior be a part of the discussion? Chris Rock’s routine about “How Not to Get Your Ass Kicked by the Police” should be shown to every black kid in school–repeatedly.

  147. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    God forbid we tack on another 8 weeks training, and switch to a merit-based hiring system with height, weight, and fitness requirements. Then we wouldn’t have all that new office space to administrate all the new counselor hires, much less the increasing taxes to pay for them.

    Let’s keep non-centralized, incompetent and weak, I say!

  148. @Altai

    Oh hey, that’s Anthony Anderson, he’s a good all american type guy, can see why Jimmy Kimmel chose someone so above reproach to represent black people. Racists BTFO’d

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/black-ish-star-anthony-andersons-disturbing-history-of-sexual-assault-allegations

  149. J.Ross says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    If they did that then less black people would die. It’s like you didn’t get the memo, or observe the trend.

  150. @Joseph Doaks

    Literally no female has any business being a police officer. This is one of the early absurdities we were asked to get used to on the always slippery slope to transvestites working in funeral homes, drag queens at the library, timmy having two dads, and males beating women in the women’s hundred meter dash finals.

    There are a tiny handful of super elite female athletes who could give a strong aggressive man a run for his money in a real fight and they’re usually competing in UFC not making traffic stops.

    Women shouldn’t be in UFC either, that’s degenerate AF.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  151. @Harry Baldwin

    You make some good points… but have you even considered the fact that they ain’t even did nothin?

  152. @Mr. Anon

    From a lot of what I’ve read, UK cops deal with the rigors of thier job by just not doing it. Instead they harass people for “racism” and various other nanny-state infractions.

    There could be an element of truth in that, but on the other hand, maybe they have time on their hands because there are not enough bank robberies any more to keep them occupied.

    I think in any country you are going to hear more about the police when something goes wrong than when it goes right.

    • Replies: @Charlotte
  153. @Anonymousse

    Which cops should interview rape victims?

  154. @Dave Pinsen

    go try and let us know how that works

  155. Mr. Anon says:
    @Muggles

    And you currently see how much the SJW mob loves well trained police with guns. Do you imagine these hypothetical “social workers” carrying arms would get a pass from BLM or the Soros mafia?

    They would if it turned out that they functioned as a state-sanctioned left-wing militia that was used to harass white people.

  156. Cortes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Great question.

    Which firefighter should carry your mum down from her flat from the burning building? The diversity hire or the big guy?

    See also Pat Boyle on social workers.

  157. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    My experience w UK cops only extends to Northern Ireland, so take note, but the interview for the RUC (shows how dated I am!) officially asked what position you were in rugby.

    You know whose father was an RUC officer– actually, RIC?

    Jimmy Kennedy, Britain’s top-selling pre-Beatles songwriter. He wrote the words (and sometimes the tunes) for “Teddy Bears’ Picnic”, “South of the Border”, “Istanbul, Not Constantinople”, and a bunch of others.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Kennedy

  158. @Harry Baldwin

    It seems like every day that I read a call for a subject (that only the caller cares about) that schoolteachers should be required to present (superficially, at best) to schoolkids.

    Let me know when the schools figure out how to teach 18 yr olds to read.

  159. @anon

    Google search tells me the Goya CEO has offended the zeitgeist and Goya beans must be canceled. I agree the black beans are the best but the pinto beans and the kidney beans are *almost* as good. Here is a bachelor’s secret: if you rinse the hell out of the beans and get all the fart juice off of them, you can eat them without even heating them up with a little garlic salt.

    A cupboard full of cans of Goya beans is just about the easiest best disaster preparation possible.

  160. @Altai

    They should interview James Harrison.

  161. Gordo says:
    @Steve Sailer

    10% of police should be women.

    • Replies: @Gianni in Guernsey
  162. Mike1 says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    The issue is that people like you Dave have no connection to physical reality. There is nothing “only” about a screwdriver as it gets plunged into your heart. People need to spend three minutes in a ring with even a semi trained fighter then get re-asked about physical combat.

  163. Charlotte says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Theodore Dalrymple contends the London police, at least, tend to ignore a lot of violent crime, being unwilling to write police reports, for instance.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  164. Charlotte says:
    @Chris Mallory

    A former police officer, a good friend of a relative of mine, blames police academy training for some of this. He says recruits are taught that everyone and everything is a potential threat. Predictably, some officers emerge with a kind of combat mentality that lends itself to overzealous use of force.

  165. @Mr. Anon

    Policing is much, much less strict in all of Western Europe.

    There are advantages and disadvantages to that approach.

    With the recent explosion in the Muslim population, Western Euros now have to deal with lots of harassment and sexual aggression from their local Muslim populations. When you read about some of the stuff coming out of Europe (Cologne sex assaults, Rotherham grooming, French street battles between Chechens and Algerians), it sounds way worse than America. Partly, it’s because of less aggressive policing and incarceration. Partly, it’s because high population density, lower suburbanization, and good public transportation make it more difficult to run from Muslims.

    Lots of Jews are fleeing Western Euro cities, something that you almost never read about in well-policed America.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  166. @Mr. Anon

    Most of what the American conservative gun lobby says about European policing is little more than caricature.

  167. Wielgus says:
    @Altai

    It makes them look more like an occupying army of shitkickers and brutes. Judge Dredd without the warm charismatic humanism.
    Also they are an armed body with special powers separate from society and more and more they dress the part.

  168. anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Heard this from a bloke who lived in Townsville when U.S. troops were stationed there 1942-45:
    there were plenty of negroes, they all had shovels, mattocks, rakes, never saw one carrying a rifle or wearing a gun.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Reg Cæsar
  169. anon[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cortes

    There aren’t any 100% Abos left in New South Wales, from the photo they’re part Abo, mostly scum.
    Newspapers in Australia play tricks with colouring of Abos, depending on the spin they’re trying to impart.
    Usually, the article ends with words like: So and So was represented in Court by the Aboriginal Legal Service.
    Now that BLM is in the news, Abos in Australia are being treated as sacred objects in our media.

  170. Wielgus says:
    @anon

    Perhaps they would have preferred to carry weapons, but they were mostly used as manual labour, transport or supply in WW2.
    In the Deep South, German POWs working outside their camps were allowed to use certain cafés that refused to serve African-American soldiers.

  171. @Gordo

    And they should be prepared to work the night shift.

  172. JMcG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The ones who are civilian employees of the police department and trained for specifically that purpose. There’s no need at all for them to be badged and carrying a pistol. Somehow rapes were investigated in 1965.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  173. @Charlotte

    Yes I like Dalrymple’s writings, but he is coming out this problem from the point of view of a retired prison psychiatrist, and I am sure his views are jaundiced from the point of view of dealing with hundreds of inmates with personality disorders.

    In dealing with offenders you always have this dichotomy between wanting to give people a chance to live a constructive life without lifelong involvement with the criminal justice system where they will only learn worse behavior and protecting society from their predations.

    Lots of people do stupid stuff when they are young but later on in life they become worthwhile citizens. Others of course, start a life of crime at a young age and go from bad to worse.

    In the county where I live one of the elected circuit judges is a woman who had some kind of criminal conviction in her late teens–I forget what the precise offense was now. Possibly stealing. Anyway she is now, relatively speaking, a pillar of the community.

  174. RickTen99 says:
    @Mr. Anon

    15% of 300+ million equals 45 to 50 million of a race that is generally violent and uncooperative with any sort of authority figure. Being disrespected by someone is the starting point of a 0 to 1000 chimp out that usually doesnt end well for somebody. Drop 45 million of these types into Germany and see what happens.

  175. As a retired Mental Health Professional, I have to put my two cents in. Police are trained to enforce laws. They go to work when a law is broken and contribute little to crime prevention. MH personnel are all about crime prevention. In all cities, there is an alliance between Police and MH organizations. In the organization that I worked for some of the clients were referred to us by the police. When a client had to go to the hospital, the police were always relieved if we were present. We also prevented many crimes from occurring. We made the policeman’s job easier.
    There have been recent changes here in the state of Illinois. The party of the donkey has deliberately starved the MH system of funds. Also, the new young MH professionals were raised on Marxist/liberation theology. They do not understand how the system works for individuals.

  176. @anon

    there were plenty of negroes, they all had shovels, mattocks, rakes, never saw one carrying a rifle or wearing a gun.

    This came to a head in WWI, when “blokes” had finally enticed us into Britain’s fight. Do we draft blacks, or not?

    Southern senators were aghast at the thought. But the rest of the country would have been equally horrified were white boys sent to die and colored left at home to twiddle their thumbs, as was the policy of both sides in the Civil War.

    Evidently they compromised. Blacks were drafted, but only into service positions, often as cooks.

    Is anyone here familiar with the details of this debate?

  177. @Steve Sailer

    “Which cops should interview rape victims?”

    None, that’s where the social workers come in.

  178. @Muggles

    Another street adage is that the crazy are only as crazy as the situation allows. Having four burly cops with lethal capacity shouting orders puts a fairly hard lid on the loco.

    Some 5’2 unarmed female mouse-voicing DHS questionnaire items might not have the same effect.

  179. @Henry's Cat

    If that’s so, good for them: a caricature always contains some truth. Occasionally, more than a bit of it.

  180. @Joseph Doaks

    Your post is spot on.

    The shooting in Georgia never would have occurred if both officers were in-shape and had basic knowledge and training in wrestling, jiu-jitsu, etc.

    They should be embarrassed that one drunken negro was able to overcome their attempts at restraint and grab a taser from one officer’s belt.

  181. anon[744] • Disclaimer says:

    Domestic disturbance call. Two cops dead along with the alleged perp. Too bad there was no social worker handy.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/2-texas-police-officers-killed-in-ambush-attack-suspect-dead-authorities-say

  182. Mr. Anon says:
    @Henry's Cat

    Most of what the American conservative gun lobby says about European policing is little more than caricature.

    I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about what I’ve read in the British press, and by british bloggers. I’m well aware that a lot of American conservatives are rather insular and don’t know much about Europe.

    Are you a UK resident? I was specifically asking what people in the UK thought about policing there.

  183. Mr. Anon says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Policing is much, much less strict in all of Western Europe.

    That generally seems to be the case. Although I do remember seeing policeman armed with sub-machineguns standing guard outside a bank in Italy (Florence, I think) and a trio of Agents casually patrolling a street in Paris, carrying respectively a shotgun, a submachinegun, and an assault rifle. Of course, Italy was just then coming off an era of low-level urban terrorist warfare and France was beginning to have problems with its Algerian population. That was back in the 80s at a time when I don’t remember such military-like displays of police power in American cities (admittedly, I wasn’t familiar with any large American cities). In Germany however, I don’t remember seeing much of a police presence at all – it was pretty low key, much lower key than in America – and yet everyplace was peaceable and orderly.

  184. Dmon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The prison guards. That’s where most rapes happen.

  185. @Gordo

    White people will have to have our own separate police forces, paid for by the taxpayer of course.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/what-is-shomrim-the-custodians-who-act-as-london-s-jewish-policing-group-a3427601.html

    I mean if they can why can’t we?

    Why paid by the taxpayer? The article you cite says it’s funded by the Jewish community. Is someone preventing you from forming a neighborhood watch group like shomrim, in Blighty? There are hundreds if not thousands of such groups in the USA .

    • Replies: @Gordo
  186. Ganderson says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Al Stewart is very underrated.

  187. Gordo says:
    @kaganovitch

    Funded by ‘charities’ which are funded by the taxpayer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905047/Jewish-patrol-cars-force-London-amid-fears-copycat-attack.html

    Provided with pseudo-cop cars and pseudo-cop uniforms and pseudo-cop bulletproof vests, illegal for everybody else.

    Okay seriously urban Whites start a neighbourhood watch called the ‘White Guards’, shomrim being Hebrew for guards, and paint up some nice BMWs in police colours, how long before they all end up in prison?

  188. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    From a lot of what I’ve read, UK cops deal with the rigors of thier job by just not doing it. .

    That depends on how you define their job.

    If, in a burst of optimism, you take the view that the police exist to solve crimes, protect property, and detain criminals…well, let’s just say that the authorities in the UK do not happen to share that view.

    Instead they harass people for “racism” and various other nanny-state infractions.

    Once upon a time, there was a young cretin on a supported housing estate.

    [MORE]

    This young cretin had recently broken his girlfriend’s arm (she, also being a cretinous sort, refused to press charges) and smashed the place up. Unfortunately, his abuse was not confined to just the one person and inanimate objects: the yc took to hanging around, yelling at/threatening other residents (who, like his girlfriend, refused to testify against him), and being a general pain in the arse.

    Not surprisingly, the estate staff were somewhat less-than-enamoured of having him around and barred him from the premises. Or, to be more precise, they attempted to bar him from the premises. However, trespassing being a civil rather than a criminal matter in the UK, there was little the police could do in immediate, practical terms to keep him off the grounds.

    Then, suddenly (and you’ll never believe this), the young cretin was arrested!

    How did this minor miracle occur, you ask? Simple: he called one of the estate staff a “leprechaun” and “a potato-eating bastard.” This resulted in the yc promptly being arrested and charged with “a racially-motivated offence.”

    So while this troublemaker couldn’t be picked up for breaking someone’s arm, or for causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage to taxpayer property, he could be picked up for calling someone a leprechaun, claiming they ate potatoes, and that they were born out of wedlock.

    (Because, you see, their feelings might be hurt.)

    And that, as they say, is the state of policing in the UK.

    Perhaps some UK readers of this blog could weigh in with their opinions.

    In the event of a crime being committed in the UK, the police are there to provide a crime number (i.e. proof that the crime has been reported to the authorities) and, for all practical purposes, nothing else. Don’t take my word for it: ask anyone you meet from the UK what expectations they have regarding the police.

    (After they have finished laughing, and gotten their breath back, I am sure they will tell you.)

    Recent reports seem to indicate the Americans are frustrated at the fact that, in at least some jurisdictions, the police have been transformed from keen crimefighters into useless pillocks.

    Sadly, this transformation took place decades ago in the UK (though, in the interest of fairness, it is often the case that the police officers themselves want to do a good job, they simply are not allowed to by the politicians and police official who set the rules and regulations under which they must operate.)

  189. Wency says:
    @Nathan

    I have an uncle who is mentally ill, and since his parents (my grandparents) died and he has no other family nearby, his social worker is the main person checking on him, making sure he stays on his meds and so on. Now, perhaps we could move him to where we live, but he’s in his 60s and has spent his entire adult life in the same county. It’s a lot easier if he just keeps up his routine.

    Getting and keeping mentally ill people on their meds strikes me as a very positive function of government. Unless you’re going to keep them incarcerated/institutionalized for life, this needs to happen, for both their wellbeing and the wellbeing of others. Over 50% of white homeless men are mentally ill, IIRC.

  190. NOTA says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sounds like exactly the reason for the second
    amendment.

  191. NOTA says:

    From the washington post’s database, about a quarter of the people shot dead by police every year are mentally ill, so trying to find ways for the cops to deal with crazies without shooting them seems like a good idea.

    But this also highlights a basic problem–untreated, out-of-control crazy people out on the streets is a big social problem. The tools of the police aren’t a great fit for that problem, either. But they get stuck dealing with it. It seems like some kind of upstream solution (institutions? comprehensive mental health care? mandatory long-acting antipsychotic injections?) would be better than trying to make the cops into psychiatrists or social workers.

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