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Australia has solved its Racial Inequity problem by decreeing that any white public intellectual who feels like it can declare himself an Aboriginal and the court system will come down like a ton of bricks on anybody who scoffs.

This actually seems like a pretty good solution for America. Why not let a bunch of WASPs like former Republican congressman Bob Barr, a near identical double for Obama spiritual adviser Rev. Jeremiah Wright, declare themselves to be undeniably black and thus spiritually superior?

In the New York Times, Kevin Spacey-lookalike Damien Cave, who is a truly terrible excuse for a human being, extrapolates on Bruce Pascoe’s Carlos Castaneda-like fantasy about Australian Aborigines:

He Wants to Save the Present With the Indigenous Past

Bruce Pascoe’s book “Dark Emu” sparked a reconsideration of Australian history. Now he hopes to use his writing to revive Aboriginal community.

By Damien Cave
Aug. 20, 2020

WALLAGARAUGH, Australia — Bruce Pascoe stood near the ancient crops he has written about for years and discussed the day’s plans with a handful of workers….

“What happened in Australia was a real high point in human development,” he said. “We need to go back there.” Writing, he added, can only do so much.

“Dark Emu” is where he laid out his case. Published in 2014 and reissued four years later, the book sparked a national reconsideration of Australian history by arguing that the continent’s first peoples were sophisticated farmers, not roaming nomads.

Australia’s education system tended to emphasize the struggle and pluck of settlers. “Dark Emu” shifted the gaze, pointing to peaceful towns and well-tended land devastated by European aggression and cattle grazing. In a nation of 25 million people, the book has sold more than 260,000 copies….

Critics, including Andrew Bolt, a conservative commentator for News Corp Australia, have accused Pascoe of seeking attention and wealth by falsely claiming to be Aboriginal while peddling what they call an “anti-Western fantasy.”

Asked by email why he’s focused on Pascoe in around a dozen newspaper columns since November, Bolt replied: “Have fun talking to white man and congratulating yourself on being so broad-minded as to believe him black.”

Pascoe said “Bolty” is obsessed with him and struggles with nuance. He’s offered to buy him a beer, discuss it at the pub and thank him: “Dark Emu” sales have doubled since Bolt’s campaign against Pascoe intensified.

His fans argue that kind of banter exemplifies why he and his book have succeeded. His voice, honed over decades of teaching, writing fiction and poetry — and telling stories over beers — is neither that of an academic nor a radical. He’s a lyrical essayist, informative and sly.

Pascoe’s big rediscovery is that, according to some Australian explorers, some Aborigines lived in huts.

From Quadrant:

Bruce Pascoe’s Whoppers: In a Class of Their Own
27th May 2020 Comments (22)

Peter O’Brien

‘When you’re on a good thing, stick to it’. Like most kids growing up in the Fifties and Sixties, Bruce Pascoe would have learned that adage. And it has stood him in good stead, certainly in recent years. On that principle he has managed to parlay the extraordinary success of his fictional history Dark Emu into a children’s version, countless speaking gigs and media appearances, a two-part ABC documentary to be screened later this year and a digibook on the ABC’s Education Webpage.

The same could be said of his Aboriginality. Why claim to be only Yuin, or Burnurong, or a Tasmanian Aborigine when you could be all three? A member of not just one but three mobs! You can’t get more Aboriginal than that, I wouldn’t have thought. But that’s another story. When I embarked on the Bitter Harvest project, I did so because both Keith Windschuttle and I were horrified at the idea that Pascoe’s faux history would establish itself in our classrooms. That was our prime motivation in exposing Dark Emu. Keith knew, from bitter personal experience, that facts don’t matter when it comes to much of what passes for history these days. But it certainly shocked me when, amongst others, the ABC, which has vigorously promoted Pascoe, simply ignored even the existence of my expose let alone any arguments I presented.

But, undeterred, we soldier on and now take a look at Pascoe’s ABC Education presence, which can be found here. It comprises a prologue and 14 four-minute video clips on various topics such as Sturt’s encounter with a large tribe of Aborigines at Coopers Creek. This is a short summary of an episode described in Dark Emu where Pascoe claims, untruthfully, that this encounter took place in the desert, that Sturt and his party were dying and that the Aborigines rescued them. In another one he covers Aboriginal housing wherein he first sets up a strawman along the lines that white people think Aborigines lived under a piece of bark leant up against a tree (many of them did, in fact). He then quotes from Sturt and Mitchell to show that the Aborigines built huts of varying styles and sizes, somewhat undermining his basic premise of white ignorance. He describes these dwellings as ‘houses’, which they clearly are not, at least not in the way we would think of a house. He seems to think that the fact they built shelters for themselves (an activity at the bottom of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs) is somehow significant.

 
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  1. Great idea. Race is a social construct.

    So obviously, one should have the freedom to decide one’s race, or to keep switching races. And it is the duty of everyone to respect gender choices, pronouns, and racial choices.

    Often some native Indians and mountain tribes have special privileges, even higher than Black privilege.

    But seriously, Australia allows free choice of racial privilege?

    My gender: Genderfluid
    Pronouns: zer, zem

    Most of the time I choose to b transsexual female Lesbian,
    immigrant
    50% Tasmanian aborigine, 20% Jamaican, 30% Jewish. No traces of despicable whiteness.

    Flexible choice of religion is more complicated, because apostates from Islam are to be punished with death penalty.

    • Replies: @sb
    @SINCERITY.net

    Disappointed to see that you state that the various ethnic components of your ancestry add up to a total of 100% .
    Didn't you get the memo that mathematics is also a social construct ?

    , @fish
    @SINCERITY.net


    Flexible choice of religion is more complicated, because apostates from Islam are to be punished with death penalty
     
    Wouldn’t this....death I mean ...just make you life or existence fluid? Of course you only get to play this card once but if you could work it in it would be the Wokemon Intersectional play of all time!

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

  2. Negrolatry has gone into overdrive. It’s insane how people turn away from their own race, the one that’s responsible for just about all the inventions and discoveries of the last thousand years, and idolise primitive peoples whose progress is frozen in the pre-civilisational stage.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Rob McX


    Negrolatry has gone into overdrive.
     
    Yes, and we're getting hit with comically mixed messages:

    1) Well, Blacks haven't done much civilization-wise, but when YT quits being racist and lets them flourish, they are going to out-White the White man.

    2) Blacks have really been the ones that built and maintain civilization; YT has just been stealing their stuff.

    3) Modern civilization built and maintained by YT is bullshit; the real way to live is like the primitives; they are the ones with the superior plan; so bow down and worship them as they are and will always be.
  3. While aboigine’s are not at all suited for modern life, just their vulnerability to alcoholism makes integration nearly impossible, hunting and gathering requires intelligence, planning, and rather sophisticated skills of every individual.

    Steve, you do commentary well. But you probably do not also do plumbing, ironwork, game tracking, shelter-building…every aboriginal did what was expected of their sex. There was little division of labor.

    Modern civilization calls for abstract thought and symbol manipulation, and in the upper half/quarter of jobs calls for considerable intelligence, each step from foraging, to farming, to factory left people in a less interesting, varied, and challenging day to day life.

    I have no solution to the modern state of aborigines. Though if there is a fair amount of white admixture in them, nature might select them to be less aboriginal and whiter every generation, like the American Indians.

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes? If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @Rob

    Silly you - it will take the many millions of pure BLACK geniuses unleashed by Wokeism to create the actual Wakanda, where all knowledge will be discovered and transmitted to all the peoples of the world.

    Replies: @Sent from my iStevePhone

    , @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?"

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

     

    Replies: @Bucky, @Rob, @Hypnotoad666, @El Dato, @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Rob

    Rob, Of course Steve doesn't do Ironwork, that's why I'm here. And very nice comment.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol"

    Isn't it just that Europeans were once that way, too - and the vulnerable ones tended not to have many children grow to maturity?

    Left to their own devices, given large chunks of land where we can't go, all those peoples would eventually lose that vulnerability. The trouble is that the process would be heart-breaking.


    Please don't sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    Mama don't want him drinking all the time
    Please don't sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    He may be no good but he's still mine
     

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rob

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob


    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?
     
    No, the lack of them. Alcohol is a social construct-- it takes a village to raise a toast-- and it requires generations to build up resistance, or "herd immunity" if you prefer.

    Fermentation can occur in nature, but no one is in any hurry to drink that.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Anonymous

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Rob

    "If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them. [to drink alcohol]"

    A drug. To help them metabolize alcohol.

    Working for the both the Pharmaceutical and the Liquor industries?

    Replies: @Rob

  4. I learned early on in the game to strategically self-identify as 1/16 AA, and my somewhat kinky, albeit reddish hair, kind of suggested it might be true. Occasionally someone would call BS, but as I was in NYC, most of those around me would only nod approvingly that I was one of the nice ones and throw more money at me. I kid myself that I got into investment banking with a non-Ivy engineering degree and good quant skills, but I was almost certainly an affirmative action promotion.

    I totally get Rachel Dolezal. If I was up to this today, I’d go full African American. One thing one learns from authentic AAs is to never apologise.

    • Agree: fish
  5. Australia’s education system tended to emphasize the struggle and pluck of settlers.

    All I remember from history class is “All the way with LBJ!”, and something about the arrival of suburbia. Maybe we invented the lawnmower or something? And the Hill’s Hoist?

    The rest of the time we learned about America and Nazi Germany.

    I did get a potted history of the Whitlam/Fraser farrago, but that was in Political & Legal Studies, not History.

    All in all I rate Australia’s education system a 5

    Edit: I did actually hear from my history teacher that Aboriginals were considered flora and fauna up until 1967, which I found out later was (a) not true, and (b) really, really, really untrue, and stupid. But you tend to believe your teachers, don’t you? They must know what they’re talking about, they been to school for it and everything!

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Product of Australia's education system

    All I remember from history class is “All the way with LBJ!”, and something about the arrival of suburbia. Maybe we invented the lawnmower or something? And the Hill’s Hoist? The rest of the time we learned about America and Nazi Germany.

    I'm taking you at face value. Given that you built an affluent country on a foundation of some of the world's most intimidating geography and you did so with a founding population chock-a-block with convicts, you've got ample raw material for an engaging narrative. Kind of a scandal you don't get to hear about it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Product of Australia's education system

    , @black sea
    @Product of Australia's education system

    You may find Robert Hughes' The Fatal Shore worth your time.

    Replies: @Muggles

  6. I found an old journal in a junk shop. Thought you might like to hear it.
    1954- I am 15 years old. The Supreme Priests have declared a great crusade against racism. The nation has launched a million ships to defeat this scourge. We believe the enemy can be defeated by New Years. I pray for our success!
    1965 – Despite 10 years of battle the great crusade does not go well, cities in flames, rioting, violence. We must redouble our efforts against the enemy!
    1975 – A new generation is being born to inherit the nation’s great crusade. I only pray that they may have greater suscess than we have.
    1995 – The crusade does not go well despite our leaders endless claims that progress is being made. Cities continue to burn. I only hope that the third generation to inherit our nations great cause can succeed when so many have failed.
    2020 – I am 80 years old and have spent my left fighting the great crusade. Things are worse than ever. Racism is discovered everywhere! Cities on fire, looting, and people being attacked in the streets. It is as if our efforts have been in vain. Despite this we are prepared to sacrifice endless genrerations and treasure to the struggle. Although I may not live to see the final great victory my faith in the righteousness of our cause is as strong as ever.

    • Agree: artichoke
    • Replies: @Jake
    @Robert Smith

    That is a fun way to frame the terrifying fact that Cultural Marxists are more insane than even Class/Economics Marxists.

    Stalinists and Trotskyists both are capable of causing an entire nation/society to collapse and require long hard work to get back to something like its normal. But Cultural Marxists are capable of destroying civilization itself.

    , @SINCERITY.net
    @Robert Smith

    There is absolutely no solution in the fake news false dogma society we live in. Only scientific honesty and acceptance of "Racist" facts can point to the solution. Steve Sailer is working on tearing down society's blindness

    We do have a religion-like taboo against race realism aka " racism". Equivalently we have the iron clad mandatory virtuous #PCGagOrder: " Never speak negatively about minorities in order not to stir up prejudice".

    This is pernicious because

    A) prejudice is mostly true
    https://4racism.org/prejudice-accuracy-bias.html

    B) #TheTruthIsRacist
    https://4racism.org/#Race_differences0
    https://sincerity.net/factsareracist/

    C) #RacismSavesLives (anti-racist de-policing caused the Ferguson effect with additional 1000 mostly black homicides per year
    https://4racism.org/#Racism_Saves_Lives

    D) from one false premise, everything false can logically be derived
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/


    Read
    4Racism.org
    The main page and the 80 pages on the SITE-MAP

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    , @Bostonvegas
    @Robert Smith

    While I agree with the premise, what makes it worse is how many pitiful white kids are down to join in the Wilding. And what happened to the once proud ethnics....they tear down Columbus statues in Boston with no backlash...im fairly certain the Guidos from Eastie and the Northend would have cracked antifa heads not that long ago.

  7. Once, interested in precisely this question – how did pre-contact Aborigines live? – I tried to find a book on the topic. But there was nothing: all the historical work I could find on Aboriginals was about how white men had screwed them over since 1788.

    Maybe I could’ve found something if I’d looked harder, but I concluded, accurately, as it apparently has turned out, that if I couldn’t find anything easily then the truth must be embarrassing. I’m not actually sure they’d even invented the wheel.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Product of Australia's education system

    There is nothing embarrassing in the fact that your genetic branch of humanity has adapted & survived for a long time in a hardscrabble continent. Could have gone extinct.

    Machine & Tool based civilizations are an accident and will likely disappear again in time. Too hard and demand that there are crazies with peculiarly wired brains around who are into that stuff.


    I’m not actually sure they’d even invented the wheel.
     
    Doesn't look like it:

    Aboriginal inventions: 10 enduring innovations


    ABORIGINAL PEOPLE FORMED one of the most technologically advanced societies in the world when they first arrived in Australia [i.e. 75000 years ago]. The way they adapted to our country’s challenging conditions is a testament to Aussie inventiveness. [that's such a bizarre statement I can't even]
     

    Replies: @Product of Australia's education system

    , @Rob McX
    @Product of Australia's education system


    I’m not actually sure they’d even invented the wheel.
     
    It seems the Tasmanians didn't have fire when whites first encountered them. I read somewhere that they'd had it but somehow lost it. Also, Keith Windschuttle claims they weren't wiped out by whites but by each other.

    Replies: @Ano

    , @Art Deco
    @Product of Australia's education system

    You need to be looking under anthropology, not history.

    Keith Windshuttle has been advancing the thesis that many common historical memes in Australian public discourse are fabrications. Since we live in an age when instructors betray their vocation routinely, it wouldn't surprise me. Our intelligentsia is plain awful.

    , @Inselaffen
    @Product of Australia's education system

    No they didn't have the wheel (I thought that was fairly obvious/well known?). The wheel is actually pretty 'high tech' by ancient standards. Came to Eurasia at a much later stage of development than they were at ('only' about 5-6000 years ago). Even Amerindians were only just getting round to it (on kids toys). Being at a far lower level of culture, and having no domestic beasts of burden, developing the wheel was not even on the horizon in Australia.

    , @Anonymous
    @Product of Australia's education system

    Ok, here is the story on Australian Aborigines as I understand it:

    First: evolution drives towards persistent local optima, and that's all it does. There is no intrinsic drive towards intelligence, for example, or tool using.

    Second: Tool using requires a population large enough that there will always be several specialists within the population that understand how to make the tools. If all the specialists die, the tool
    set will be lost. Example: if people who know how to make sea-going vessels all die, then sea-going vessels can't be made after their death -- nobody alive knows how to make them.

    Third: If tools are not available, then ability to use tools is not selected for, and may be selected against if it imposes a cost (such as unused but energy consuming brain tissue).

    So: the story.

    The settlers of Australia and Tasmania had sea going craft, and an extensive tool kit. Neither Australia nor Tasmania could support a large enough population to maintain this tool kit. The tool kit was lost -- no more access to fishing grounds, for example. The population size was reduced by this loss, but did not become extinct in Australia or Tasmania (although it apparently did go extinct on some off-shore islands adjacent to Australia or Tasmania.
    The surviving population evolved for about 50 thousand years. A long time as human evolution goes. By AD 1700, the population was surviving without the extensive tool kit. Its members could sleep almost anywhere in Australia without shelter, could survive difficult times with minimal improvised shelter, had a tool kit that let it survive over much the available land surface, and had altered its mental capacity to live much of the time in the "dream time", which apparently reduced social strife and gave meaning.

    Other societies have done much the same thing. I've read of several early symbol using societies in Africa that evolved and vanished before the first persistent symbol using society (e.g. red ochre for makeup / grave goods) appeared in the physical record. There have been two waves of aboriginal in in Canada's far North. The first one lost much of its tool set, then apparently vanished from mutational overload and inbreeding. The second one, the current population, has lost some of its tool set.

    So: if you were feeling that humanity is invulnerable before reading the above, you shouldn't be feeling that way now. The Aboriginals lost their tool set and became people that the original settlers would probably not have recognized as retaining anything that the original settlers wanted their descendants to have. Could happen to us today, for what that's worth.

    Contrast that with the dance described in:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/exposing-challenge-marxism
    and think how much that dance leaves out.

    Replies: @Rob

    , @Bill P
    @Product of Australia's education system

    Here's a good short film from the 50s that shows how they lived:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNIPXa5USZE

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jane Plain

  8. “Dark Emu”, he? Star Wars culture is everywhere.

    From Ben Bova’s “As on a Darkling Plain”

    [MORE]

    One of the scientists muttered something to the man next to him. Lee ignored it.

    “Let me remind you of what we’ve got to accomplish here. Sometimes when you’re face to-face with a problem every day, you lose perspective on it.”

    “Those machines were put here by an alien race. An enemy of mankind. The ruins on Mars were made by men and destroyed by aliens. The Martian script refers to a battle of some sort. Most anthropologists think the script is reciting folklore. I think it was a history book, or maybe a newscast.”

    Charnovsky huffed loudly.

    “The Neanderthals on Sirius were colonists. The aliens — the Others, they call them — blew up Sirius B, turned the star into a nova, to wipe out all the life on that colony. There’s evidence that an intelligent settlement — either ours or theirs, the evidence is very scant — existed on Van Maanen’s Star. It too was destroyed by a nova explosion.“ For the past year, I’ve been cajoling the Earth’s archaeologists and anthropologists to reexamine the fossil records of human prehistory. Even if the earlier human civilization that founded the Mars and Sirius colonies was completely destroyed by the Others, there ought to be some archaeological evidence somewhere. Most of my colleagues have battled these ideas with every ounce of their strength. A few have gone out and started digging. They’ve found, already, that some of our previous conceptions of the datings of various human fossils are badly in error. Naturally, they’re placing most of their emphasis on the Neanderthal fossils, and fortunately there’s plenty of fossil record available on the Neanderthals.

    “It seems perfectly clear to me that there was an earlier civilization on Earth, at least fifty thousand years ago, maybe much earlier. Perhaps it was a Neanderthal civilization, perhaps Sapiens. In either event, it met an alien race, the Others, who built those machines topside. We fought a war, and we lost. Our settlements on Sirius, on Van Maanen’s Star, on Mars and the Moon were totally wiped out. The only known survivors are the Neanderthals on Sirius. The Others must have done an especially thorough job on Earth itself, to make certain that the planet would never foster an intelligent civilization again. But we survived. The Neanderthals didn’t make it, but we did. Now we’re able to
    reach the stars again. And the Others are probably out there somewhere, waiting for us.”

    Lee paused. No one moved.

    Then Richards said, “That’s a lot to swallow in one sitting.”

  9. @SINCERITY.net
    Great idea. Race is a social construct.

    So obviously, one should have the freedom to decide one's race, or to keep switching races. And it is the duty of everyone to respect gender choices, pronouns, and racial choices.

    Often some native Indians and mountain tribes have special privileges, even higher than Black privilege.

    But seriously, Australia allows free choice of racial privilege?

    My gender: Genderfluid
    Pronouns: zer, zem

    Most of the time I choose to b transsexual female Lesbian,
    immigrant
    50% Tasmanian aborigine, 20% Jamaican, 30% Jewish. No traces of despicable whiteness.

    Flexible choice of religion is more complicated, because apostates from Islam are to be punished with death penalty.

    Replies: @sb, @fish

    Disappointed to see that you state that the various ethnic components of your ancestry add up to a total of 100% .
    Didn’t you get the memo that mathematics is also a social construct ?

  10. Okay, one more comment: at the end of this Quadrant article spruiking their anti-Pascoe book, we find some historians quoted in a pro-Pascoe newspaper article. If I didn’t know any better, I’d say those historians know full well Pascoe’s full of shit, and maybe hinted as much to the newspaper, but all involved decided discretion was the better part of valour. Viewed through that lens, we get a masterclass in weaselly academic/media-class zinging, in nestling the truth between the lines to wink out at a bright reader. For instance, why, exactly, does a professional historian, commenting on a book of popular history that he apparently has no criticism of, nonetheless feel the need to say of its putatively Aboriginal author: “He’s an extraordinary looking man”? What could he possibly have been hinting at?

  11. @Product of Australia's education system
    Once, interested in precisely this question - how did pre-contact Aborigines live? - I tried to find a book on the topic. But there was nothing: all the historical work I could find on Aboriginals was about how white men had screwed them over since 1788.

    Maybe I could've found something if I'd looked harder, but I concluded, accurately, as it apparently has turned out, that if I couldn't find anything easily then the truth must be embarrassing. I'm not actually sure they'd even invented the wheel.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Inselaffen, @Anonymous, @Bill P

    There is nothing embarrassing in the fact that your genetic branch of humanity has adapted & survived for a long time in a hardscrabble continent. Could have gone extinct.

    Machine & Tool based civilizations are an accident and will likely disappear again in time. Too hard and demand that there are crazies with peculiarly wired brains around who are into that stuff.

    I’m not actually sure they’d even invented the wheel.

    Doesn’t look like it:

    Aboriginal inventions: 10 enduring innovations

    ABORIGINAL PEOPLE FORMED one of the most technologically advanced societies in the world when they first arrived in Australia [i.e. 75000 years ago]. The way they adapted to our country’s challenging conditions is a testament to Aussie inventiveness. [that’s such a bizarre statement I can’t even]

    • Replies: @Product of Australia's education system
    @El Dato


    There is nothing embarrassing in the fact that your genetic branch of humanity has adapted & survived for a long time in a hardscrabble continent. Could have gone extinct.
     
    That's a healthy perspective which is not shared by Aboriginals, or anti-racist whites, as we see in the OP.
  12. The famous Aboriginal artist Shirley Purdie seems like a really nice person. She has an innocence and lack of abstraction that is very disarming. I couldn’t speak with that complete lack of guile even when I was five or six.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D8qxKe093Q8s&ved=2ahUKEwjCuY7D1K7rAhWHh1wKHTMzAPMQwqsBMAR6BAgFEBU&usg=AOvVaw0hRKqrVoFzrCQn1OrYQYUP&cshid=1598094288818

  13. “In a nation of 25 million people, the book has sold more than 260,000 copies”

    So, that’s how many gullible and overeducated idiots live in Australia?

  14. @Product of Australia's education system
    Once, interested in precisely this question - how did pre-contact Aborigines live? - I tried to find a book on the topic. But there was nothing: all the historical work I could find on Aboriginals was about how white men had screwed them over since 1788.

    Maybe I could've found something if I'd looked harder, but I concluded, accurately, as it apparently has turned out, that if I couldn't find anything easily then the truth must be embarrassing. I'm not actually sure they'd even invented the wheel.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Inselaffen, @Anonymous, @Bill P

    I’m not actually sure they’d even invented the wheel.

    It seems the Tasmanians didn’t have fire when whites first encountered them. I read somewhere that they’d had it but somehow lost it. Also, Keith Windschuttle claims they weren’t wiped out by whites but by each other.

    • Replies: @Ano
    @Rob McX

    Abos didn't have the wheel- even as a toy (viz. the Incas).

    I once read somewhere that some abo tribes used fire to turn woodlands into more kangaroo-friendly grasslands for easier hunting, and sometimes they started bushfires just for the hell of it, for fun (i.e. the world's first environmental vandals).

  15. The best known “history” before this one, was Geoffrey Blainey’s “triumph of the nomads”. Blainey is known as a right wing figure but saw pre contact aboriginal history as one of acheivement. Getting families from the indonesian archipelago to the australian mainland by canoe – which must have happened at some point – is no mean feat (a 2000 mile one way trip over the horizon into the unknown), though sea levels were probably lower.

    The appearance of some people of partial aboriginal descent is certainly striking. One of the more strident long term activists, Michael Mansell – who is very pale himself – claims pascoe has no aboriginal ancestry. Australian Rotary clubs sponsor indigenous health scholarships and appearance of many of the recipients – very few if any seem to be of wholly aboriginal descent – is quite interesting.

    https://australianrotaryhealth.org.au/programs/indigenous-health-scholarships/

    • Replies: @Paco Wové
    @Anon55uu

    "a 2000 mile one way trip "

    That's wildly inaccurate. Island of Timor to Australia, ~ 300 miles. New Guinea to Australia, ~ 110 miles, and there are a few islands on the way.

    , @sb
    @Anon55uu

    I thought Aborigines came to Australia from Flores via rafts.
    I suspect that they once may have had skills which they lost ie they went backwards. ( I recall Jared Diamond talking of ancient peoples having skills which they gave up or lost because they were just not essential for immediate survival)
    For instance Tasmanian aborigines may have once had the ability to make fire but they lost it .
    Tasmanian aborigines were probably well on the path of extinction when the white fella arrived . Remember there are aborigine remains on some offshore islands which were aborigine free when whites came . The southern aborigines maybe lost the skill of making boats (canoes ) which survived in the North ( which had some contact with others in the region )

    There is quite a history of people with minimal aboriginal ancestry ( and minimal includes zero ) sweeping up all the goodies available to " people of indigenous ancestry ". But this happens everywhere -think of all the "affirmative action" in the US meant for the descendants of US slavery which goes to others

  16. Correction to the above. Sea levels meant indonesia was *much* closer.

  17. There was a Yale historian, her name eludes me, who said on a podcast episode of the New York times book review in the last two years that around 1950, the history of Native American Indians was purposely deemphasized, and the history of black slaves was purposely emphasized.

    Imagine a world where everyone knew the details of Native American history and that was what was taught in our schools. The positive virtues of native Americans would encourage people to go outdoors and to be earth friendly.

    Rather, the emphasis on black issues makes people anxious and manipulated.

    • Replies: @TWS
    @Bucky

    No. Fake native American history would lead one to be a tree hugging hippy shedding one manly tear at the pollution.

    Real history would lead one on different paths.

    Replies: @Bucky

  18. As far as we know, Aborigines practiced slash and burn agriculture, which is the main reason why Australia is so arid. Also, they killed off all of the megafaune, except the kangaroos, probably because they were difficult to hunt.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @BB753

    As far as we know, Aborigines practiced slash and burn agriculture, which is the main reason why Australia is so arid.

    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They're high pressure zones with little rainfall.

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter, @Jane Plain

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @BB753

    "the main reason why Australia is so arid"

    It's also very geologically stable - large areas of extremely ancient rock, no volcanism for a very very long time. This means nutrients and minerals being washed out over hundreds of millions of years.

    "In Australia vast areas formerly covered in rainforest have become so dry that oxisols have formed a hard ironstone cover upon which only skeletal soils can form."

    I'd be interested to know who or what removed the rainforest. It wasn't Europeans.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  19. @Rob McX
    Negrolatry has gone into overdrive. It's insane how people turn away from their own race, the one that's responsible for just about all the inventions and discoveries of the last thousand years, and idolise primitive peoples whose progress is frozen in the pre-civilisational stage.

    Replies: @bomag

    Negrolatry has gone into overdrive.

    Yes, and we’re getting hit with comically mixed messages:

    1) Well, Blacks haven’t done much civilization-wise, but when YT quits being racist and lets them flourish, they are going to out-White the White man.

    2) Blacks have really been the ones that built and maintain civilization; YT has just been stealing their stuff.

    3) Modern civilization built and maintained by YT is bullshit; the real way to live is like the primitives; they are the ones with the superior plan; so bow down and worship them as they are and will always be.

  20. Pascoe is a fantasist whose writings are worthless except as an illustration of the degradation of the West in the current age.

    He possesses precisely zero Aboriginal ancestry (all his ancestry has been traced to England, mostly to Cornwall).

    He also possesses precisely zero historical scholarship: his preposterous claims about Aboriginal “towns” and “crops” are gross distortions and wilful misunderstandings of historical writings garnished with a thick layer of complete fabrication.

    So naturally he is much in favour with Australia’s academics, our government broadcaster and all right-thinking people.

  21. Oh yeah sure, just go for it.

  22. @Product of Australia's education system
    Once, interested in precisely this question - how did pre-contact Aborigines live? - I tried to find a book on the topic. But there was nothing: all the historical work I could find on Aboriginals was about how white men had screwed them over since 1788.

    Maybe I could've found something if I'd looked harder, but I concluded, accurately, as it apparently has turned out, that if I couldn't find anything easily then the truth must be embarrassing. I'm not actually sure they'd even invented the wheel.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Inselaffen, @Anonymous, @Bill P

    You need to be looking under anthropology, not history.

    Keith Windshuttle has been advancing the thesis that many common historical memes in Australian public discourse are fabrications. Since we live in an age when instructors betray their vocation routinely, it wouldn’t surprise me. Our intelligentsia is plain awful.

  23. @Product of Australia's education system

    Australia’s education system tended to emphasize the struggle and pluck of settlers.
     
    All I remember from history class is "All the way with LBJ!", and something about the arrival of suburbia. Maybe we invented the lawnmower or something? And the Hill's Hoist?

    The rest of the time we learned about America and Nazi Germany.

    I did get a potted history of the Whitlam/Fraser farrago, but that was in Political & Legal Studies, not History.

    All in all I rate Australia's education system a 5

    Edit: I did actually hear from my history teacher that Aboriginals were considered flora and fauna up until 1967, which I found out later was (a) not true, and (b) really, really, really untrue, and stupid. But you tend to believe your teachers, don't you? They must know what they're talking about, they been to school for it and everything!

    Replies: @Art Deco, @black sea

    All I remember from history class is “All the way with LBJ!”, and something about the arrival of suburbia. Maybe we invented the lawnmower or something? And the Hill’s Hoist? The rest of the time we learned about America and Nazi Germany.

    I’m taking you at face value. Given that you built an affluent country on a foundation of some of the world’s most intimidating geography and you did so with a founding population chock-a-block with convicts, you’ve got ample raw material for an engaging narrative. Kind of a scandal you don’t get to hear about it.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Art Deco

    Art, The only book I have ever read about Australia was "Fatal Shores." When you are finished reading it you can use it as a step stool to reach the easier to read books on the top shelves.

    , @Product of Australia's education system
    @Art Deco

    I'm sure others will have heard about it. Perhaps I did, and I don't remember.

    That said, I'm not aware of there being much of a narrative. You're correct that the raw material is there...

    Bear in mind that, whatever country you're in, probably the engaging narrative of your own history was written a minimum of 50 years ago; subsequently the narrative has probably been made considerably less engaging.

    This is certainly the case in Australia, where the term "the black armband view of history" was coined. Gaywads have responded with "the white blindfold view of history", which, as noted, is gay.

    Anyway, my point is an old fucker would be more likely to have got the proper story

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  24. Dark Emu” shifted the gaze, pointing to peaceful towns and well-tended land devastated by European aggression and cattle grazing. In a nation of 25 million people, the book has sold more than 260,000 copies….

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2019/11/the-epicentre-of-our-history/

  25. @SINCERITY.net
    Great idea. Race is a social construct.

    So obviously, one should have the freedom to decide one's race, or to keep switching races. And it is the duty of everyone to respect gender choices, pronouns, and racial choices.

    Often some native Indians and mountain tribes have special privileges, even higher than Black privilege.

    But seriously, Australia allows free choice of racial privilege?

    My gender: Genderfluid
    Pronouns: zer, zem

    Most of the time I choose to b transsexual female Lesbian,
    immigrant
    50% Tasmanian aborigine, 20% Jamaican, 30% Jewish. No traces of despicable whiteness.

    Flexible choice of religion is more complicated, because apostates from Islam are to be punished with death penalty.

    Replies: @sb, @fish

    Flexible choice of religion is more complicated, because apostates from Islam are to be punished with death penalty

    Wouldn’t this….death I mean …just make you life or existence fluid? Of course you only get to play this card once but if you could work it in it would be the Wokemon Intersectional play of all time!

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @fish

    “He's spending a year dead for tax reasons.”

    Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

  26. @Rob
    While aboigine’s are not at all suited for modern life, just their vulnerability to alcoholism makes integration nearly impossible, hunting and gathering requires intelligence, planning, and rather sophisticated skills of every individual.

    Steve, you do commentary well. But you probably do not also do plumbing, ironwork, game tracking, shelter-building...every aboriginal did what was expected of their sex. There was little division of labor.

    Modern civilization calls for abstract thought and symbol manipulation, and in the upper half/quarter of jobs calls for considerable intelligence, each step from foraging, to farming, to factory left people in a less interesting, varied, and challenging day to day life.

    I have no solution to the modern state of aborigines. Though if there is a fair amount of white admixture in them, nature might select them to be less aboriginal and whiter every generation, like the American Indians.

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes? If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them.

    Replies: @Jake, @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe, @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar, @SaneClownPosse

    Silly you – it will take the many millions of pure BLACK geniuses unleashed by Wokeism to create the actual Wakanda, where all knowledge will be discovered and transmitted to all the peoples of the world.

    • Replies: @Sent from my iStevePhone
    @Jake

    Do aborigines interact with Atlantic Blacks? How does that usually go?

    Is there any reality show yet where one oppressed BIPOC switches places for a week with an antipodal BIPOC, like a “Wife Swap” format?

    The Ice People seem to be doing this already on multi-decade cycles, whether or not that’s cooperative (as opposed to reconnaissance).

  27. Sounds like Mr. Pascoe could give our very own, Liz Warren, a run for her money in a a lying contest.

    Call me a nativist, but I think good old fashioned American race hustlers are still unsurpassed.

    Nice try Australia, it is hard to compete with a country that has given the world, Shaun King, Liz Warren, and Rachel Dolezal.

    USA, USA, USA

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Sandy Berger's Socks

    You have a very commendable list of frauds, but please don't forget to include the original race hustlers par excellence Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

  28. @Robert Smith
    I found an old journal in a junk shop. Thought you might like to hear it.
    1954- I am 15 years old. The Supreme Priests have declared a great crusade against racism. The nation has launched a million ships to defeat this scourge. We believe the enemy can be defeated by New Years. I pray for our success!
    1965 - Despite 10 years of battle the great crusade does not go well, cities in flames, rioting, violence. We must redouble our efforts against the enemy!
    1975 - A new generation is being born to inherit the nation's great crusade. I only pray that they may have greater suscess than we have.
    1995 - The crusade does not go well despite our leaders endless claims that progress is being made. Cities continue to burn. I only hope that the third generation to inherit our nations great cause can succeed when so many have failed.
    2020 - I am 80 years old and have spent my left fighting the great crusade. Things are worse than ever. Racism is discovered everywhere! Cities on fire, looting, and people being attacked in the streets. It is as if our efforts have been in vain. Despite this we are prepared to sacrifice endless genrerations and treasure to the struggle. Although I may not live to see the final great victory my faith in the righteousness of our cause is as strong as ever.

    Replies: @Jake, @SINCERITY.net, @Bostonvegas

    That is a fun way to frame the terrifying fact that Cultural Marxists are more insane than even Class/Economics Marxists.

    Stalinists and Trotskyists both are capable of causing an entire nation/society to collapse and require long hard work to get back to something like its normal. But Cultural Marxists are capable of destroying civilization itself.

    • Agree: Muggles
  29. Maybe a way for universities to increase their minority graduation rate would be to do a dna analysis of every entering freshmen and using the ancestory result to assign them to the demographic group that helps the university. Much like Kamala Harris checks both the Asian and the African-American box and Elizabeth warren checks the box for native American, most students probably have a small amount of ancestry that can be used to reclassify them to check the correct box.

  30. @Product of Australia's education system

    Australia’s education system tended to emphasize the struggle and pluck of settlers.
     
    All I remember from history class is "All the way with LBJ!", and something about the arrival of suburbia. Maybe we invented the lawnmower or something? And the Hill's Hoist?

    The rest of the time we learned about America and Nazi Germany.

    I did get a potted history of the Whitlam/Fraser farrago, but that was in Political & Legal Studies, not History.

    All in all I rate Australia's education system a 5

    Edit: I did actually hear from my history teacher that Aboriginals were considered flora and fauna up until 1967, which I found out later was (a) not true, and (b) really, really, really untrue, and stupid. But you tend to believe your teachers, don't you? They must know what they're talking about, they been to school for it and everything!

    Replies: @Art Deco, @black sea

    You may find Robert Hughes’ The Fatal Shore worth your time.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, Muggles
    • Replies: @Muggles
    @black sea

    Thanks for the mention of Hughes' The Fatal Shore. About 20 years old now, or older, but was very good reading.

    One of the few modern comprehensive histories of Australia.

    When my wife and I were visiting Hawaii on a snorkeling boat we met some young Australians. I had just read the Fatal Shores book. So I asked them about a few things of historical interest. They knew virtually nothing about anything.

    From what I gathered they didn't teach any Australian history in their schools. Maybe changed now. They seemed a bit surprised that an American would be so curious about it.

    Brits don't end up looking too great, overall. That may have something to do with the historical blackout.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Product of Australia's education system

  31. @Rob
    While aboigine’s are not at all suited for modern life, just their vulnerability to alcoholism makes integration nearly impossible, hunting and gathering requires intelligence, planning, and rather sophisticated skills of every individual.

    Steve, you do commentary well. But you probably do not also do plumbing, ironwork, game tracking, shelter-building...every aboriginal did what was expected of their sex. There was little division of labor.

    Modern civilization calls for abstract thought and symbol manipulation, and in the upper half/quarter of jobs calls for considerable intelligence, each step from foraging, to farming, to factory left people in a less interesting, varied, and challenging day to day life.

    I have no solution to the modern state of aborigines. Though if there is a fair amount of white admixture in them, nature might select them to be less aboriginal and whiter every generation, like the American Indians.

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes? If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them.

    Replies: @Jake, @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe, @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar, @SaneClownPosse

    “It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?”

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism

    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    @Corvinus

    By that same measure, East Asians appear to be more immune to alcoholism. What is odd about it is how closely related east Asians are to native Americans.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Rob
    @Corvinus

    I would not necessarily expect them to metabolize alcohol badly, though that last reference said they have not the ALDH1A1*2 allele in Indians or esquimeaux. What I might expect is they have not been harshly selected over centuries to handle alcohol well. Different neurotransmitter receptor alleles. A pleasure center that is more responsive to alcohol.

    Finally, alcoholic is a phenotype, and it must have a heritability != 0. Because susceptibility to alcoholism varies within populations, it can potentially vary between populations. Does not mean that it does, but...

    Lastly these experts are not experts on behavioral genetics, and varying more within populations than between them is a weasley not quite lie. The difference between populations can lead to large differences at the extremes. More of the population is above any threshold you decide is problem drinking.

    Play around with http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects setting population means so that there is more variation within than between the reds and blues (a bell curve is usually taken to have negligible area more than 3 standard deviations to each side.

    Finally, who would go on the record these days saying a racial gap was genetic? Hello cancelation!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Corvinus

    That first article you link is a silly SJW piece that admits Indians have a major drinking problem and just talks around it with a bunch of "social construct" jargon. Like this:


    Duran and Duran advocate for a “postcolonial history of alcohol” that situates a discussion of alcohol-related problems within a colonial discourse and recognizes the long history of culturally based responses to alcohol abuse within Indian nations.
     
    I think this roughly translates from SJW-speak as "Indians are drunks but it's Whitey's fault."

    OTOH, I do have to admit that Duran and Duran did some good work in the 80's. I especially liked Rio and Hungry like the Wolf.

    , @El Dato
    @Corvinus


    more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups.
     
    Obvious bullshit to the meanest intelligence.
    , @anon
    @Corvinus


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups.
     
    This false argument needs to be refuted every time it is made. Of course there is more variation within a group than there is between groups. This is meaningless for purposes of assessing group differences and their causes.
    The variation within a group typically extends from the far left to the far right of the distribution axis.
    Variation between groups is the difference in the averages, a smaller difference even when it is a standard deviation or more.
    But the difference in the group averages is what tells the story and frequently points to genetic causes.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Corvinus

    Corvi, I worked with dozens of Native Americans, mostly Senecas, Mohawks and Tuscarorans. I know this is anecdotal, but I never met one that was not drunk after to beers. Rarely do they marry out of their tribe or race and the wealthy still live on the reservations.They don't sell liquor,wine or beer on any reservation I have ever visited. Don't discount genetics, there are cultures that are lactose intolerant.

  32. @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?"

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

     

    Replies: @Bucky, @Rob, @Hypnotoad666, @El Dato, @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    By that same measure, East Asians appear to be more immune to alcoholism. What is odd about it is how closely related east Asians are to native Americans.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bucky

    One of the recent discoveries is that it apparently doesn't take that long for important genetic divergences to develop, a few thousand years, even several hundred.

    Replies: @res

  33. @Rob McX
    @Product of Australia's education system


    I’m not actually sure they’d even invented the wheel.
     
    It seems the Tasmanians didn't have fire when whites first encountered them. I read somewhere that they'd had it but somehow lost it. Also, Keith Windschuttle claims they weren't wiped out by whites but by each other.

    Replies: @Ano

    Abos didn’t have the wheel- even as a toy (viz. the Incas).

    I once read somewhere that some abo tribes used fire to turn woodlands into more kangaroo-friendly grasslands for easier hunting, and sometimes they started bushfires just for the hell of it, for fun (i.e. the world’s first environmental vandals).

  34. Damien Cave, who is a truly terrible excuse for a human being

    As a 1/4th Australian-American, I’d love to know more about this…

  35. @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?"

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

     

    Replies: @Bucky, @Rob, @Hypnotoad666, @El Dato, @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    I would not necessarily expect them to metabolize alcohol badly, though that last reference said they have not the ALDH1A1*2 allele in Indians or esquimeaux. What I might expect is they have not been harshly selected over centuries to handle alcohol well. Different neurotransmitter receptor alleles. A pleasure center that is more responsive to alcohol.

    Finally, alcoholic is a phenotype, and it must have a heritability != 0. Because susceptibility to alcoholism varies within populations, it can potentially vary between populations. Does not mean that it does, but…

    Lastly these experts are not experts on behavioral genetics, and varying more within populations than between them is a weasley not quite lie. The difference between populations can lead to large differences at the extremes. More of the population is above any threshold you decide is problem drinking.

    Play around with http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects setting population means so that there is more variation within than between the reds and blues (a bell curve is usually taken to have negligible area more than 3 standard deviations to each side.

    Finally, who would go on the record these days saying a racial gap was genetic? Hello cancelation!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "What I might expect is they [Native Americans] have not been harshly selected over centuries to handle alcohol well. **Different neurotransmitter receptor alleles**. A pleasure center that is more responsive to alcohol."

    **Interesting. What research has there been on this particular topic that you are drawing from?

    Replies: @res

  36. This is not a new idea to me. I’ve been identifying myself as “African-American” to HR since 2007. EEOC rules changed to allow people to self-identify rather than ‘Visual Survey’, where an HR employee looks you up and down and decides your race for you. It’s as simple as logging in to the HR website at work and checking a different box.

    As for the U.S. Census, that too is as easy as checking a different box. There is no DNA test involved, and if reparations ever happen, you might even get some free gibsmedat.

    If 100% of whites identified as “African American”, we could be 100% diverse here in America.

  37. Gone Walkaboutanda! Pissing in your pocket, while lining his.

  38. OT: University of Wisconsin – Madison Black Students Union that called for removal of Abe Lincoln statue, now demands removal of large rock. Because a hundred years ago, it was referred to as “Niggerhead Rock” before being officially named to celebrate a University president.

    https://madison.com/news/local/education/university/redefining-legacy-a-historic-boulders-controversial-history-at-uw-madison/article_61f835cb-f34a-5b87-abd7-0bcb860446ec.html

  39. @Product of Australia's education system
    Once, interested in precisely this question - how did pre-contact Aborigines live? - I tried to find a book on the topic. But there was nothing: all the historical work I could find on Aboriginals was about how white men had screwed them over since 1788.

    Maybe I could've found something if I'd looked harder, but I concluded, accurately, as it apparently has turned out, that if I couldn't find anything easily then the truth must be embarrassing. I'm not actually sure they'd even invented the wheel.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Inselaffen, @Anonymous, @Bill P

    No they didn’t have the wheel (I thought that was fairly obvious/well known?). The wheel is actually pretty ‘high tech’ by ancient standards. Came to Eurasia at a much later stage of development than they were at (‘only’ about 5-6000 years ago). Even Amerindians were only just getting round to it (on kids toys). Being at a far lower level of culture, and having no domestic beasts of burden, developing the wheel was not even on the horizon in Australia.

  40. @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?"

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

     

    Replies: @Bucky, @Rob, @Hypnotoad666, @El Dato, @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    That first article you link is a silly SJW piece that admits Indians have a major drinking problem and just talks around it with a bunch of “social construct” jargon. Like this:

    Duran and Duran advocate for a “postcolonial history of alcohol” that situates a discussion of alcohol-related problems within a colonial discourse and recognizes the long history of culturally based responses to alcohol abuse within Indian nations.

    I think this roughly translates from SJW-speak as “Indians are drunks but it’s Whitey’s fault.”

    OTOH, I do have to admit that Duran and Duran did some good work in the 80’s. I especially liked Rio and Hungry like the Wolf.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  41. Anonymous[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Product of Australia's education system
    Once, interested in precisely this question - how did pre-contact Aborigines live? - I tried to find a book on the topic. But there was nothing: all the historical work I could find on Aboriginals was about how white men had screwed them over since 1788.

    Maybe I could've found something if I'd looked harder, but I concluded, accurately, as it apparently has turned out, that if I couldn't find anything easily then the truth must be embarrassing. I'm not actually sure they'd even invented the wheel.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Inselaffen, @Anonymous, @Bill P

    Ok, here is the story on Australian Aborigines as I understand it:

    First: evolution drives towards persistent local optima, and that’s all it does. There is no intrinsic drive towards intelligence, for example, or tool using.

    Second: Tool using requires a population large enough that there will always be several specialists within the population that understand how to make the tools. If all the specialists die, the tool
    set will be lost. Example: if people who know how to make sea-going vessels all die, then sea-going vessels can’t be made after their death — nobody alive knows how to make them.

    Third: If tools are not available, then ability to use tools is not selected for, and may be selected against if it imposes a cost (such as unused but energy consuming brain tissue).

    So: the story.

    The settlers of Australia and Tasmania had sea going craft, and an extensive tool kit. Neither Australia nor Tasmania could support a large enough population to maintain this tool kit. The tool kit was lost — no more access to fishing grounds, for example. The population size was reduced by this loss, but did not become extinct in Australia or Tasmania (although it apparently did go extinct on some off-shore islands adjacent to Australia or Tasmania.
    The surviving population evolved for about 50 thousand years. A long time as human evolution goes. By AD 1700, the population was surviving without the extensive tool kit. Its members could sleep almost anywhere in Australia without shelter, could survive difficult times with minimal improvised shelter, had a tool kit that let it survive over much the available land surface, and had altered its mental capacity to live much of the time in the “dream time”, which apparently reduced social strife and gave meaning.

    Other societies have done much the same thing. I’ve read of several early symbol using societies in Africa that evolved and vanished before the first persistent symbol using society (e.g. red ochre for makeup / grave goods) appeared in the physical record. There have been two waves of aboriginal in in Canada’s far North. The first one lost much of its tool set, then apparently vanished from mutational overload and inbreeding. The second one, the current population, has lost some of its tool set.

    So: if you were feeling that humanity is invulnerable before reading the above, you shouldn’t be feeling that way now. The Aboriginals lost their tool set and became people that the original settlers would probably not have recognized as retaining anything that the original settlers wanted their descendants to have. Could happen to us today, for what that’s worth.

    Contrast that with the dance described in:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/exposing-challenge-marxism
    and think how much that dance leaves out.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Anonymous

    Because tool set to be the things we can make for ourselves, the US has lost considerable portions of our tool set. Capitalists moved it to China. The Chinese tool set has grown tremendously in just a few decades, so that should be some consolation.

    If it weren’t for Intel, would we make any silicon? Can we make a wide-angle true color LCD screen in America?

    Look at you, clicking a MORE tag!

    I think Americans are becoming something that our forefathers would have reviled. The working class has been immiserated, the middle class gets it’s raises in the form of insurance coverage only slightly worse than last years. The basket of goods the official inflation rate is based on has not risen very much. But what we need to live and thrive-housing, education or job training, medical care-have gotten a lot more expensive.

    The silents are very old now, and the boomers are getting there. Skills will die with them, some obsolete, but can we replace the Swiss machinists? Immigration was supposed to save us. Well, not us, but the capitalists’ investments, so the important part of America. It should be clear that the Meso-Americans are not going to replace the white baby boomers. The immigrants don’t have the brainpower, so expect more of our economy to hollow out.

    But housing market’s fine. So’s the stock market! But how HBD-aware is the average investor? Do they see the Hispanic bulge starting work and his-panic? The money runners couldn’t even price a plague coming that would shut down the economy into asset prices. How could they price in America becoming Mexico? Does China realize their bonds will be worth much less in a couple decades? They probably don’t care. They’ll have our industry, and can always put the bankers against the wall and shoot them. debt weakens us and in the end, we will have to sell commodities for manufactured goods and tech.

    To try to bring this back around, I wonder if the son of the last aborigine who could build a boat knew what his people lost when the knowledge died, or did he think the invisible hand of economics would provide?

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  42. @Rob
    While aboigine’s are not at all suited for modern life, just their vulnerability to alcoholism makes integration nearly impossible, hunting and gathering requires intelligence, planning, and rather sophisticated skills of every individual.

    Steve, you do commentary well. But you probably do not also do plumbing, ironwork, game tracking, shelter-building...every aboriginal did what was expected of their sex. There was little division of labor.

    Modern civilization calls for abstract thought and symbol manipulation, and in the upper half/quarter of jobs calls for considerable intelligence, each step from foraging, to farming, to factory left people in a less interesting, varied, and challenging day to day life.

    I have no solution to the modern state of aborigines. Though if there is a fair amount of white admixture in them, nature might select them to be less aboriginal and whiter every generation, like the American Indians.

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes? If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them.

    Replies: @Jake, @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe, @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar, @SaneClownPosse

    Rob, Of course Steve doesn’t do Ironwork, that’s why I’m here. And very nice comment.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    Better you doing the iron work and your wife does the ironing (1932)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QCYDzsQ_yM

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  43. @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?"

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

     

    Replies: @Bucky, @Rob, @Hypnotoad666, @El Dato, @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups.

    Obvious bullshit to the meanest intelligence.

  44. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?"

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

     

    Replies: @Bucky, @Rob, @Hypnotoad666, @El Dato, @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups.

    This false argument needs to be refuted every time it is made. Of course there is more variation within a group than there is between groups. This is meaningless for purposes of assessing group differences and their causes.
    The variation within a group typically extends from the far left to the far right of the distribution axis.
    Variation between groups is the difference in the averages, a smaller difference even when it is a standard deviation or more.
    But the difference in the group averages is what tells the story and frequently points to genetic causes.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  45. @Art Deco
    @Product of Australia's education system

    All I remember from history class is “All the way with LBJ!”, and something about the arrival of suburbia. Maybe we invented the lawnmower or something? And the Hill’s Hoist? The rest of the time we learned about America and Nazi Germany.

    I'm taking you at face value. Given that you built an affluent country on a foundation of some of the world's most intimidating geography and you did so with a founding population chock-a-block with convicts, you've got ample raw material for an engaging narrative. Kind of a scandal you don't get to hear about it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Product of Australia's education system

    Art, The only book I have ever read about Australia was “Fatal Shores.” When you are finished reading it you can use it as a step stool to reach the easier to read books on the top shelves.

  46. @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?"

    Yeah, about that.

    https://psmag.com/news/whats-behind-the-myth-of-native-american-alcoholism


    Major reviews of alcohol metabolism among all ethnic groups usually conclude that alcohol metabolism and alcohol genetics are traits of individuals and that there is more variation within an ethnic group than there is between ethnic groups. Further, when biophysiologic investigators attempt to explain major alcohol-related behaviors, they generally point to sociocultural variables as the major factors.

    Since May’s 1994 study on the epidemiology of American Indian alcohol use (in which he refutes the idea of genetic inheritance), no research has conclusively confirmed the theory. It’s true that research has exposed deeply troubling statistics regarding alcohol use in Indian country, but, as May wrote, the common myths and misunderstandings stem from gross oversimplifications. Researchers do seek to understand things like the disproportionately high rates of alcohol-related deaths among the American Indian population. An oft-cited study by the Indian Health Service in the mid-1980s, for instance, determined that, on average, Indians die more frequently of alcohol-related causes than non-Indians. Indian deaths in alcohol-related car and other accidents were found to be three to four times higher than non-Natives; Indian suicide was found to be one and a half to two times higher; Indian deaths due to homicide were found to be roughly two times higher; and Indian deaths due to alcoholism were found to be five and a half to seven and a half times higher.

    These realities can be explained, May says, in three ways. First, the differences can be accounted for by demographic, social, and political differences experienced by American Indians. Demographically, the American Indian population is relatively young (in 1988 the median age was 32.3), and younger populations overall tend to have much higher rates of alcohol-related death. Sociopolitical considerations such as low socioeconomic status also exacerbate alcohol-related problems. Second, American Indian drinking styles tend to be more flamboyant, characterized by abusive drinking (such as binge drinking) and high blood alcohol levels. Third, the mixing of alcohol impairment with risky behaviors and risky environments further contributes to higher mortality rates. Most Indian people still live in rural Western states where higher death rates can also be expected due to higher-risk environments, greater distances from care facilities, and lack of availability of services.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6122477_Variations_in_ADH_and_ALDH_in_southwest_California_Indians

    Native Americans as a group have the highest rates of alcohol-related deaths of all ethnicities in the United States; however, it remains unclear how and why a greater proportion of individuals in some Native American communities develop alcohol-related problems and alcohol use disorders (AUDs). One potential factor that can influence responses to alcohol are variations in alcohol-metabolizing enzymes. Researchers have analyzed the frequencies of variants in the alcohol-metabolizing enzymes alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH) in some Native American populations. So far the studies have yielded no evidence that an ALDH2 variant, which has shown protective effects in other populations, is found in either American Indians or Alaska Natives. A variant of the ALDH1 enzyme that is encoded by the ALDH1A1*2 allele, however, was found in a small proportion of a group of Southwest California Indians and had a protective effect against alcoholism in that population. Furthermore, a variant of the ADH1B enzyme that is encoded by the ADH1B*3 allele was found in a similar proportion of Southwest California Indians and also was associated with a protective effect. However, these findings do not explain the high prevalence of alcoholism in the tribes investigated.

     

    Replies: @Bucky, @Rob, @Hypnotoad666, @El Dato, @anon, @Buffalo Joe

    Corvi, I worked with dozens of Native Americans, mostly Senecas, Mohawks and Tuscarorans. I know this is anecdotal, but I never met one that was not drunk after to beers. Rarely do they marry out of their tribe or race and the wealthy still live on the reservations.They don’t sell liquor,wine or beer on any reservation I have ever visited. Don’t discount genetics, there are cultures that are lactose intolerant.

  47. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:

    This “declare the race you feel you are” business reminds me of something.

    I don’t know how famous this case was in America (the link is to a US site; perhaps it attained some notoriety?), but in the Netherlands recently, a chap went to court because he wanted to lop 20 years off his age.

    After all, if one can declare oneself any sex (or race) one likes, doesn’t it follow that one should also be allowed to proclaim oneself whatever age one likes?

    Sadly, this fellow did not win his case, but who can fault him for trying:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/03/europe/age-change-rejected-scli-intl/index.html

    Next up: choose your own IQ for college admissions and employment.

    (I’m going to go with a relatively modest 170; no need to be greedy.)

  48. @BB753
    As far as we know, Aborigines practiced slash and burn agriculture, which is the main reason why Australia is so arid. Also, they killed off all of the megafaune, except the kangaroos, probably because they were difficult to hunt.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @YetAnotherAnon

    As far as we know, Aborigines practiced slash and burn agriculture, which is the main reason why Australia is so arid.

    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They’re high pressure zones with little rainfall.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Art Deco


    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They’re high pressure zones with little rainfall.
     
    As always, you lie by telling only a little bit of the story.

    Some 30% or more of Australia lies in the tropical zone. The portion of Australia north of the Tropic of Capricorn is not subtropical.

    Having been to a number of places in Australia, both north of the Tropic of Capricorn and south of the Tropic of Capricorn as well as places like Hong Kong and Thailand that are further north (in some parts of Thailand) that northern Australia is, I am pretty sure you are simply ignorant.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Jane Plain
    @Art Deco

    Not all of subtropical zones are arid.

    That said, it's absurd to say that the Aborigines created the central Australian desert because of slash and burn farming. Makes no sense.

    Replies: @BB753, @Art Deco

  49. Olive discrimination will not be tolerated!

    • LOL: MBlanc46
  50. @Rob
    While aboigine’s are not at all suited for modern life, just their vulnerability to alcoholism makes integration nearly impossible, hunting and gathering requires intelligence, planning, and rather sophisticated skills of every individual.

    Steve, you do commentary well. But you probably do not also do plumbing, ironwork, game tracking, shelter-building...every aboriginal did what was expected of their sex. There was little division of labor.

    Modern civilization calls for abstract thought and symbol manipulation, and in the upper half/quarter of jobs calls for considerable intelligence, each step from foraging, to farming, to factory left people in a less interesting, varied, and challenging day to day life.

    I have no solution to the modern state of aborigines. Though if there is a fair amount of white admixture in them, nature might select them to be less aboriginal and whiter every generation, like the American Indians.

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes? If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them.

    Replies: @Jake, @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe, @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar, @SaneClownPosse

    “It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol”

    Isn’t it just that Europeans were once that way, too – and the vulnerable ones tended not to have many children grow to maturity?

    Left to their own devices, given large chunks of land where we can’t go, all those peoples would eventually lose that vulnerability. The trouble is that the process would be heart-breaking.

    Please don’t sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    Mama don’t want him drinking all the time
    Please don’t sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    He may be no good but he’s still mine

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    How good people are at drinking roughly corresponds to how long they've had it around.

    Italians, Jews and others around the Mediterranean* have fewer drinking problems than Ireland or Finland.

    But British people are certainly way better off than Native types.


    *Less civilized people in the Middle East--nomadic Arabs, eg--may not fare as well and perhaps that's why Muhammad shrewdly banned it?

    , @Rob
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yes, seeing a population adapt to alcohol fast would be awful. FAS babies that die from neglect. Normal children abused as well. Lots of men dying in fights. Men and women dying of acute and chronic alcohol poisoning,

    Really, the situation Indians and aborigines is harsher than what happened to long-settled peoples of the old world. You see, we had alcohol long before we had distillation. Our ancestors, well, their coevals failed to thrive from beer and wine. Aborigines can get everclear, and it’s like 15 beers a glass?

    Alcohol is almost certainly cheaper today. Once upon a time grain for fermenting competed with making bread.

    I’ve read that huffing gasoline is a big problem with some aborigines. Alcohol, cheap as it is, is much more expensive than gas.

    The Australian boarding schools were largely an attempt to take abused and neglected children, and raise them in white culture. It was not a resounding success that he former students sing paeans to daily. It’s just not possible to find enough people who want to raise other people’s kids. Those fantastic alloparents should become real parents.

    That’s why I want the neurological basis of their vulnerability found so that they can have better living hrough chemistry. The Human Homogeneity Doctrine is the dominant paradigm, the opposite of HBD is keeping researchers from trying to help solve a root cause of so much misery, and the HHD bunch thoroughly dominate science right now.

    Pretending everyone is the same unde the hood hurts the people they want to help. It’s frustrating.

  51. @Art Deco
    @BB753

    As far as we know, Aborigines practiced slash and burn agriculture, which is the main reason why Australia is so arid.

    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They're high pressure zones with little rainfall.

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter, @Jane Plain

    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They’re high pressure zones with little rainfall.

    As always, you lie by telling only a little bit of the story.

    Some 30% or more of Australia lies in the tropical zone. The portion of Australia north of the Tropic of Capricorn is not subtropical.

    Having been to a number of places in Australia, both north of the Tropic of Capricorn and south of the Tropic of Capricorn as well as places like Hong Kong and Thailand that are further north (in some parts of Thailand) that northern Australia is, I am pretty sure you are simply ignorant.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    The meaning of the phrase 'most of Australia is in a subtropical zone' is clear enough. You elect to pretend I said something else for some weird reason of your own.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Southern China is subtropical. It's not dry at all.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  52. This is part of a long progressive tradition of putting some of the least developed human populations on a pedestal for achievements other cultures reached thousands (or in this case tens of thousands) of years ago.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Arclight

    True. There are traces of this idealisation of the exotic and the primitive throughout the last 300 years at least. But centuries ago it was harmless whimsy. Now it threatens to destroy us.

  53. @BB753
    As far as we know, Aborigines practiced slash and burn agriculture, which is the main reason why Australia is so arid. Also, they killed off all of the megafaune, except the kangaroos, probably because they were difficult to hunt.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @YetAnotherAnon

    “the main reason why Australia is so arid”

    It’s also very geologically stable – large areas of extremely ancient rock, no volcanism for a very very long time. This means nutrients and minerals being washed out over hundreds of millions of years.

    “In Australia vast areas formerly covered in rainforest have become so dry that oxisols have formed a hard ironstone cover upon which only skeletal soils can form.”

    I’d be interested to know who or what removed the rainforest. It wasn’t Europeans.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I'm very rusty on this subject, but as far as I can tell from the maps, the Inter-tropical convergence zone only barely touches the Australian continent. The farthest southerly extent of tropical rainforest in Africa today is around the latitude of Australia's northern extremity. South American has only a sliver of tropical rainforest farther south than that.

  54. @Rob
    While aboigine’s are not at all suited for modern life, just their vulnerability to alcoholism makes integration nearly impossible, hunting and gathering requires intelligence, planning, and rather sophisticated skills of every individual.

    Steve, you do commentary well. But you probably do not also do plumbing, ironwork, game tracking, shelter-building...every aboriginal did what was expected of their sex. There was little division of labor.

    Modern civilization calls for abstract thought and symbol manipulation, and in the upper half/quarter of jobs calls for considerable intelligence, each step from foraging, to farming, to factory left people in a less interesting, varied, and challenging day to day life.

    I have no solution to the modern state of aborigines. Though if there is a fair amount of white admixture in them, nature might select them to be less aboriginal and whiter every generation, like the American Indians.

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes? If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them.

    Replies: @Jake, @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe, @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar, @SaneClownPosse

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?

    No, the lack of them. Alcohol is a social construct– it takes a village to raise a toast– and it requires generations to build up resistance, or “herd immunity” if you prefer.

    Fermentation can occur in nature, but no one is in any hurry to drink that.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar


    Fermentation can occur in nature, but no one is in any hurry to drink that.
     
    But that's probably how alcohol consumption began in societies where it's common. Some brave person took a chance at drinking fermented vegetable matter.

    Replies: @scrivener3

    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Wind fallen fruit will quickly start to ferment in warm weather. Our hungry ancestors would have eaten it and got mildly drunk. There are funny videos on youtube of this happening to animals in Africa today.

  55. Ward Churchill, call your office!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @R.G. Camara


    Ward Churchill, call your office!
     
    In 2016, Fauxcahontas received two votes in the Electoral College for vice president. Much more interestingly, and something I've never seen mentioned anywhere (has anyone else?) is that when Robert Satiacum, Jr, a Puyallup tribesman, cast his Washington electoral vote for Faith Spotted Eagle and Winona LaDuke, it was the first time an elector had done so for a pair of aboriginals, or for a pair of women.

    But the Indian dean of the Electoral College is still Charles Curtis, Herbert Hoover's VP.

  56. @Bucky
    There was a Yale historian, her name eludes me, who said on a podcast episode of the New York times book review in the last two years that around 1950, the history of Native American Indians was purposely deemphasized, and the history of black slaves was purposely emphasized.

    Imagine a world where everyone knew the details of Native American history and that was what was taught in our schools. The positive virtues of native Americans would encourage people to go outdoors and to be earth friendly.

    Rather, the emphasis on black issues makes people anxious and manipulated.

    Replies: @TWS

    No. Fake native American history would lead one to be a tree hugging hippy shedding one manly tear at the pollution.

    Real history would lead one on different paths.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    @TWS

    Still infinitely preferable to black history.

  57. I have a friend that is absolutely dead certain that when Evonne. Goolagong was winning tennis tournaments, you could purchase a license to hunt aborigines. You cannot change her mind.

    Never happened but now it’s history.

  58. Australia has solved its Racial Inequity problem by decreeing that any white public intellectual who feels like it can declare himself an Aboriginal and the court system will come down like a ton of bricks on anybody who scoffs.

    So Windschuttle’s problem was that he was too honest to pull a Liz Warren?

    This is kind of what’s going on with hemi-Tamil octoroon Kamala Harris. Which brings up a trivia question:

    Twice under the Twelfth Amendment has an election been thrown to Congress to decide due to no majority of electors attained. The one we always hear about is that of 1824. Which was the other? And more importantly, why? Hints: Kamala. Commonwealth.

    (No, it wasn’t 1876. That went to Congress, but there was a majority of electors that year. Indeed, both candidates claimed a majority.)

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    A quick search tells me it was 1800. Jefferson's home state is one of the four referred to as a commonwealth. But where does Kamala come into it?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  59. @Anonymous
    @Product of Australia's education system

    Ok, here is the story on Australian Aborigines as I understand it:

    First: evolution drives towards persistent local optima, and that's all it does. There is no intrinsic drive towards intelligence, for example, or tool using.

    Second: Tool using requires a population large enough that there will always be several specialists within the population that understand how to make the tools. If all the specialists die, the tool
    set will be lost. Example: if people who know how to make sea-going vessels all die, then sea-going vessels can't be made after their death -- nobody alive knows how to make them.

    Third: If tools are not available, then ability to use tools is not selected for, and may be selected against if it imposes a cost (such as unused but energy consuming brain tissue).

    So: the story.

    The settlers of Australia and Tasmania had sea going craft, and an extensive tool kit. Neither Australia nor Tasmania could support a large enough population to maintain this tool kit. The tool kit was lost -- no more access to fishing grounds, for example. The population size was reduced by this loss, but did not become extinct in Australia or Tasmania (although it apparently did go extinct on some off-shore islands adjacent to Australia or Tasmania.
    The surviving population evolved for about 50 thousand years. A long time as human evolution goes. By AD 1700, the population was surviving without the extensive tool kit. Its members could sleep almost anywhere in Australia without shelter, could survive difficult times with minimal improvised shelter, had a tool kit that let it survive over much the available land surface, and had altered its mental capacity to live much of the time in the "dream time", which apparently reduced social strife and gave meaning.

    Other societies have done much the same thing. I've read of several early symbol using societies in Africa that evolved and vanished before the first persistent symbol using society (e.g. red ochre for makeup / grave goods) appeared in the physical record. There have been two waves of aboriginal in in Canada's far North. The first one lost much of its tool set, then apparently vanished from mutational overload and inbreeding. The second one, the current population, has lost some of its tool set.

    So: if you were feeling that humanity is invulnerable before reading the above, you shouldn't be feeling that way now. The Aboriginals lost their tool set and became people that the original settlers would probably not have recognized as retaining anything that the original settlers wanted their descendants to have. Could happen to us today, for what that's worth.

    Contrast that with the dance described in:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/exposing-challenge-marxism
    and think how much that dance leaves out.

    Replies: @Rob

    Because tool set to be the things we can make for ourselves, the US has lost considerable portions of our tool set. Capitalists moved it to China. The Chinese tool set has grown tremendously in just a few decades, so that should be some consolation.

    If it weren’t for Intel, would we make any silicon? Can we make a wide-angle true color LCD screen in America?

    [MORE]

    Look at you, clicking a MORE tag!

    I think Americans are becoming something that our forefathers would have reviled. The working class has been immiserated, the middle class gets it’s raises in the form of insurance coverage only slightly worse than last years. The basket of goods the official inflation rate is based on has not risen very much. But what we need to live and thrive-housing, education or job training, medical care-have gotten a lot more expensive.

    The silents are very old now, and the boomers are getting there. Skills will die with them, some obsolete, but can we replace the Swiss machinists? Immigration was supposed to save us. Well, not us, but the capitalists’ investments, so the important part of America. It should be clear that the Meso-Americans are not going to replace the white baby boomers. The immigrants don’t have the brainpower, so expect more of our economy to hollow out.

    But housing market’s fine. So’s the stock market! But how HBD-aware is the average investor? Do they see the Hispanic bulge starting work and his-panic? The money runners couldn’t even price a plague coming that would shut down the economy into asset prices. How could they price in America becoming Mexico? Does China realize their bonds will be worth much less in a couple decades? They probably don’t care. They’ll have our industry, and can always put the bankers against the wall and shoot them. debt weakens us and in the end, we will have to sell commodities for manufactured goods and tech.

    To try to bring this back around, I wonder if the son of the last aborigine who could build a boat knew what his people lost when the knowledge died, or did he think the invisible hand of economics would provide?

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Rob

    The bankers should be put up against the wall and shot. It’s too bad that we have to farm the job out to China. Apparently, we’ve lost the skill to do it ourselves.

  60. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    I love how all these “social issues” in California are like a bunch of idiots arguing about fair rationing in a sinking lifeboat. Our future is water rationing, and plastic containers of distilled water for $10 a gallon. A half-assed Gentleman’s version of Mad Max realized.

    A low interest news item as of late is that since Trump issued tariffs in China, the Chinese have stopped importing our recyclable garbage. We don’t have recycling infrastructure worth a shit, we have depended on China’s slave labor to itemize our water bottles, so where are these daily TONS of California unrecycled garbage going? Anybody know? What about the other states? We’re talking an unprecedented amount of recyclable garbage backing up on us here. Where’s it going?

    Also, ever try to return a water bottle to the store you bought it from to obtain your ten cent deposit? The store likely will refuse it, despite the fact that they are required by law to do so. So your bottle goes in your garbage can. Your ten cents goes… where? Any intrepid reporters looking to take on this scooby doo mystery? What’s the dilly-o with our daily monumental mass of garbage?

    Sanctuary cities? Yeah, now let’s argue about how many extra people we should take into the overloaded dirty, sinking lifeboat.

    In the meantime, consider the nice house you can buy in Austin, for the price of a nice condo in Inglewood–and they have water.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Anonymous

    True about the water & recyclables, but I think California's "Green" energy reckoning is occurring right now with the rolling blackouts.

    And a quick Google search shows that the media & blog talking heads are still in fierce denial about California's insane "Green" energy policies that caused these rolling blackouts. Californians should get used to living without reliable electricity as it descends into a 3rd world dump (in addition to the future water rationing).

  61. Approaching this subject with possibly some prejudgment about the natives, it seems to me like the Aboriginals are either to dumb to vigorously reject impostors negative effect on their culture and heritage, or so smart that they recognize how useful those impostors can be for their own future.

    who is a truly terrible excuse for a human being

    Harsh, but fair.

  62. @Jake
    @Rob

    Silly you - it will take the many millions of pure BLACK geniuses unleashed by Wokeism to create the actual Wakanda, where all knowledge will be discovered and transmitted to all the peoples of the world.

    Replies: @Sent from my iStevePhone

    Do aborigines interact with Atlantic Blacks? How does that usually go?

    Is there any reality show yet where one oppressed BIPOC switches places for a week with an antipodal BIPOC, like a “Wife Swap” format?

    The Ice People seem to be doing this already on multi-decade cycles, whether or not that’s cooperative (as opposed to reconnaissance).

  63. Allowing whites and Asians to reclassify as black would, for the first time, effectively help solve many of society’s social problems long thought intractable.

    It would raise black school performance, bringing black classroom performance up to the levels of Asians and whites, and if enough Asians reclassified as black, the new black academic performance could even surpass that of whites. Allowing whites to reclassify as black would improve black SAT scores. Plus with the new self-reclassification, there’d be more blacks hiking in the wilderness, going to art museums and attending operas.

    Plus, reclassification would work both ways. When Dontavious Patterson self-identifies as Xiao Pei Yü, his team would be the first in the league to have a Chinese[self-identified] linebacker. It would be better than Christmas.

  64. @Buffalo Joe
    @Rob

    Rob, Of course Steve doesn't do Ironwork, that's why I'm here. And very nice comment.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Better you doing the iron work and your wife does the ironing (1932)

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Clyde

    Clyde, I had that photo, a gift from my second oldest daughter. Love the guys eating lunch with their gloves on and water in a pint whiskey bottle. When they asked for help identifying the 11 Ironworkers, they got 44 names. The nearby Russell's Steak House has that grouping as a sculpture. In my local union I met one Ironworker who worked on the Empire State Building and one who worked on the Golden Gate Bridge. No iconic structures in my resume'.

    Replies: @Clyde

  65. By the way, especially iSteve, it’s tropical storm / hurricane season, and Houston may be in the track.

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-weather/hurricanes/article/NWS-Tropical-Storm-Laura-poses-stronger-threat-15507178.php

    Or maybe not. But I’m totally sure Houstonians of Color will be the most affected either way.

  66. Racial inequity, and iniquity, is a two-way street:

    The tide turns in the international surrogacy market

    International surrogacy is often reviled as a system in which Western, mostly white people, exploit the bodies of women in underdeveloped countries, who are often women of colour. A typical feature in the media will display images of poor, heavily pregnant women in saris sleeping in a crowded dormitory.

    But this is not the image of surrogacy in Japan, explains Yoshie Yanagihara, a sociologist at Tokyo Denki University in a fascinating article in the journal Bioethics. After studying portrayals of surrogacy in the Japanese media, she concludes that “The current situation in Asia flips this perspective—with white women regarded as easier targets for exploitation by wealthy people of colour. For Asian clients, Westerners can be easily regarded as ‘others’ whom they can use for their reproductive needs.”

    She contends that women’s bodies everywhere – in Mumbai or Los Angeles — must be protected “regardless of nationality, ethnicity, skin colour, or religion”…

    Dr Yanagihara attributes the Western willingness to Christian altruism. But this would be among the insufficiently catechized. The majority of Christians worldwide are Catholic, and the Vatican roundly condemns this business. I assume the Orthodox would as well, and many– but hardly all– Protestants.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Yoshie Yanagihara, a sociologist at Tokyo Denki University ...
     
    Why is there a sociologist at Tokyo Denki [Electricity] University?

    Inevitably, Yoshie-chan employs "other" as a verb as is the the socio-sorrority's wont.

    If any Japanese government bureaucrat is reading this - SHUT DOWN TOKYO DENKI UNIVERSITY NOW before this noxious pollution spreads far and wide.
  67. @Product of Australia's education system
    Once, interested in precisely this question - how did pre-contact Aborigines live? - I tried to find a book on the topic. But there was nothing: all the historical work I could find on Aboriginals was about how white men had screwed them over since 1788.

    Maybe I could've found something if I'd looked harder, but I concluded, accurately, as it apparently has turned out, that if I couldn't find anything easily then the truth must be embarrassing. I'm not actually sure they'd even invented the wheel.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Rob McX, @Art Deco, @Inselaffen, @Anonymous, @Bill P

    Here’s a good short film from the 50s that shows how they lived:

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Bill P

    Bill, there are very interesting short videos about Eskimos by the Canadian Film Board. Simply search "Eskimos seal hunting" or "Eskimos building an igloo" and a series of videos will come up. Fascinating to watch.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill P

    , @Jane Plain
    @Bill P

    I've always admired people who adapted to extreme environments. And how long did it take white people to produce a Newton?

    I won't mention the other guy because he wasn't white.

  68. @Robert Smith
    I found an old journal in a junk shop. Thought you might like to hear it.
    1954- I am 15 years old. The Supreme Priests have declared a great crusade against racism. The nation has launched a million ships to defeat this scourge. We believe the enemy can be defeated by New Years. I pray for our success!
    1965 - Despite 10 years of battle the great crusade does not go well, cities in flames, rioting, violence. We must redouble our efforts against the enemy!
    1975 - A new generation is being born to inherit the nation's great crusade. I only pray that they may have greater suscess than we have.
    1995 - The crusade does not go well despite our leaders endless claims that progress is being made. Cities continue to burn. I only hope that the third generation to inherit our nations great cause can succeed when so many have failed.
    2020 - I am 80 years old and have spent my left fighting the great crusade. Things are worse than ever. Racism is discovered everywhere! Cities on fire, looting, and people being attacked in the streets. It is as if our efforts have been in vain. Despite this we are prepared to sacrifice endless genrerations and treasure to the struggle. Although I may not live to see the final great victory my faith in the righteousness of our cause is as strong as ever.

    Replies: @Jake, @SINCERITY.net, @Bostonvegas

    There is absolutely no solution in the fake news false dogma society we live in. Only scientific honesty and acceptance of “Racist” facts can point to the solution. Steve Sailer is working on tearing down society’s blindness

    We do have a religion-like taboo against race realism aka ” racism”. Equivalently we have the iron clad mandatory virtuous #PCGagOrder: ” Never speak negatively about minorities in order not to stir up prejudice”.

    This is pernicious because

    A) prejudice is mostly true
    https://4racism.org/prejudice-accuracy-bias.html

    B) #TheTruthIsRacist
    https://4racism.org/#Race_differences0
    https://sincerity.net/factsareracist/

    C) #RacismSavesLives (anti-racist de-policing caused the Ferguson effect with additional 1000 mostly black homicides per year
    https://4racism.org/#Racism_Saves_Lives

    D) from one false premise, everything false can logically be derived
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    Read
    4Racism.org
    The main page and the 80 pages on the SITE-MAP

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @SINCERITY.net


    There is absolutely no solution
     
    You haven't read enough Covington.

    You can't beat them at their own game, which boils down to "heads I win, tails you lose."

    We need to play a new game, here's few modest suggestions:

    1 [REDACTED]

    2 [REDACTED]

    3 [REDACTED]

    4 [REDACTED]
  69. Were you a fan of Castaneda? I found his later books pretty original in a weird, sci-fi kind of sense.

  70. @fish
    @SINCERITY.net


    Flexible choice of religion is more complicated, because apostates from Islam are to be punished with death penalty
     
    Wouldn’t this....death I mean ...just make you life or existence fluid? Of course you only get to play this card once but if you could work it in it would be the Wokemon Intersectional play of all time!

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    “He’s spending a year dead for tax reasons.”

    Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

  71. @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    Better you doing the iron work and your wife does the ironing (1932)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QCYDzsQ_yM

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Clyde, I had that photo, a gift from my second oldest daughter. Love the guys eating lunch with their gloves on and water in a pint whiskey bottle. When they asked for help identifying the 11 Ironworkers, they got 44 names. The nearby Russell’s Steak House has that grouping as a sculpture. In my local union I met one Ironworker who worked on the Empire State Building and one who worked on the Golden Gate Bridge. No iconic structures in my resume’.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    Thanks! Any other iron workers here? (crickets)

  72. @Bill P
    @Product of Australia's education system

    Here's a good short film from the 50s that shows how they lived:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNIPXa5USZE

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jane Plain

    Bill, there are very interesting short videos about Eskimos by the Canadian Film Board. Simply search “Eskimos seal hunting” or “Eskimos building an igloo” and a series of videos will come up. Fascinating to watch.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    Bill, there are very interesting short videos about Eskimos by the Canadian Film Board. Simply search “Eskimos seal hunting” or “Eskimos building an igloo” and a series of videos will come up. Fascinating to watch.
     
    Robert Flaherty was accused of staging some of the scenes in Nanook of the North. Of course he did, he had to. His subjects had already given up a number of the traditional methods once more modern equipment had appeared. The adults, however, were still skilled in the old ways, and Flaherty wanted to preserve them on film. He did us all a favor, yet still dilletantes bitch.
    , @Bill P
    @Buffalo Joe

    I love watching those old anthropology films. Moana (the original from 1926, also a Flaherty film), which you could still watch on Netflix last I checked, is a good one.

    There are a few from Ireland documenting the old way of life there, but shamefully little remains from Europe. Kurosawa put some good anthropological scenes in some of his movies from Japan, but these days you have to dig deep.

    I do my best to show my kids this stuff, but it feels like a losing battle most of the time.

  73. @Rob
    While aboigine’s are not at all suited for modern life, just their vulnerability to alcoholism makes integration nearly impossible, hunting and gathering requires intelligence, planning, and rather sophisticated skills of every individual.

    Steve, you do commentary well. But you probably do not also do plumbing, ironwork, game tracking, shelter-building...every aboriginal did what was expected of their sex. There was little division of labor.

    Modern civilization calls for abstract thought and symbol manipulation, and in the upper half/quarter of jobs calls for considerable intelligence, each step from foraging, to farming, to factory left people in a less interesting, varied, and challenging day to day life.

    I have no solution to the modern state of aborigines. Though if there is a fair amount of white admixture in them, nature might select them to be less aboriginal and whiter every generation, like the American Indians.

    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes? If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them.

    Replies: @Jake, @Corvinus, @Buffalo Joe, @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar, @SaneClownPosse

    “If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them. [to drink alcohol]”

    A drug. To help them metabolize alcohol.

    Working for the both the Pharmaceutical and the Liquor industries?

    • Replies: @Rob
    @SaneClownPosse

    If this thread is still alive, the ideal drug would not necessarily help them metabolize alcohol. It would make them not enjoy drinking as much as they do, but have enough of an upside in itself that it would be preferable to take the pill and not drink over not taking the pill and drinking. Ideally, taking more than the prescribed dose would be no more enjoyable than taking it as prescribed, so it would be a sort of anabuse /Ritalin hybrid.

    NB. I don’t suggest using anabuse and Ritalin to stay on the wagon.

  74. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol"

    Isn't it just that Europeans were once that way, too - and the vulnerable ones tended not to have many children grow to maturity?

    Left to their own devices, given large chunks of land where we can't go, all those peoples would eventually lose that vulnerability. The trouble is that the process would be heart-breaking.


    Please don't sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    Mama don't want him drinking all the time
    Please don't sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    He may be no good but he's still mine
     

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rob

    How good people are at drinking roughly corresponds to how long they’ve had it around.

    Italians, Jews and others around the Mediterranean* have fewer drinking problems than Ireland or Finland.

    But British people are certainly way better off than Native types.

    *Less civilized people in the Middle East–nomadic Arabs, eg–may not fare as well and perhaps that’s why Muhammad shrewdly banned it?

  75. @Sandy Berger's Socks
    Sounds like Mr. Pascoe could give our very own, Liz Warren, a run for her money in a a lying contest.

    Call me a nativist, but I think good old fashioned American race hustlers are still unsurpassed.

    Nice try Australia, it is hard to compete with a country that has given the world, Shaun King, Liz Warren, and Rachel Dolezal.

    USA, USA, USA

    Replies: @Bubba

    You have a very commendable list of frauds, but please don’t forget to include the original race hustlers par excellence Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

  76. @Anon55uu
    The best known “history” before this one, was Geoffrey Blainey’s “triumph of the nomads”. Blainey is known as a right wing figure but saw pre contact aboriginal history as one of acheivement. Getting families from the indonesian archipelago to the australian mainland by canoe - which must have happened at some point - is no mean feat (a 2000 mile one way trip over the horizon into the unknown), though sea levels were probably lower.

    The appearance of some people of partial aboriginal descent is certainly striking. One of the more strident long term activists, Michael Mansell - who is very pale himself - claims pascoe has no aboriginal ancestry. Australian Rotary clubs sponsor indigenous health scholarships and appearance of many of the recipients - very few if any seem to be of wholly aboriginal descent - is quite interesting.

    https://australianrotaryhealth.org.au/programs/indigenous-health-scholarships/

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @sb

    “a 2000 mile one way trip “

    That’s wildly inaccurate. Island of Timor to Australia, ~ 300 miles. New Guinea to Australia, ~ 110 miles, and there are a few islands on the way.

  77. Anonymous[315] • Disclaimer says:

    This world is like The Emperor’s new clothes only the world is now basically a nudist colony and the act of telling people they are wearing no clothes is, if not criminalized, at least frowned upon and subject in many cases to public shaming, loss of job and career, etc.

  78. @Anonymous
    I love how all these "social issues" in California are like a bunch of idiots arguing about fair rationing in a sinking lifeboat. Our future is water rationing, and plastic containers of distilled water for $10 a gallon. A half-assed Gentleman's version of Mad Max realized.

    A low interest news item as of late is that since Trump issued tariffs in China, the Chinese have stopped importing our recyclable garbage. We don’t have recycling infrastructure worth a shit, we have depended on China’s slave labor to itemize our water bottles, so where are these daily TONS of California unrecycled garbage going? Anybody know? What about the other states? We’re talking an unprecedented amount of recyclable garbage backing up on us here. Where's it going?

    Also, ever try to return a water bottle to the store you bought it from to obtain your ten cent deposit? The store likely will refuse it, despite the fact that they are required by law to do so. So your bottle goes in your garbage can. Your ten cents goes... where? Any intrepid reporters looking to take on this scooby doo mystery? What’s the dilly-o with our daily monumental mass of garbage?

    Sanctuary cities? Yeah, now let’s argue about how many extra people we should take into the overloaded dirty, sinking lifeboat.

    In the meantime, consider the nice house you can buy in Austin, for the price of a nice condo in Inglewood–and they have water.

    https://youtu.be/I821oI3Ezjs

    Replies: @Bubba

    True about the water & recyclables, but I think California’s “Green” energy reckoning is occurring right now with the rolling blackouts.

    And a quick Google search shows that the media & blog talking heads are still in fierce denial about California’s insane “Green” energy policies that caused these rolling blackouts. Californians should get used to living without reliable electricity as it descends into a 3rd world dump (in addition to the future water rationing).

  79. @R.G. Camara
    Ward Churchill, call your office!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Ward Churchill, call your office!

    In 2016, Fauxcahontas received two votes in the Electoral College for vice president. Much more interestingly, and something I’ve never seen mentioned anywhere (has anyone else?) is that when Robert Satiacum, Jr, a Puyallup tribesman, cast his Washington electoral vote for Faith Spotted Eagle and Winona LaDuke, it was the first time an elector had done so for a pair of aboriginals, or for a pair of women.

    But the Indian dean of the Electoral College is still Charles Curtis, Herbert Hoover’s VP.

  80. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rob

    "It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol"

    Isn't it just that Europeans were once that way, too - and the vulnerable ones tended not to have many children grow to maturity?

    Left to their own devices, given large chunks of land where we can't go, all those peoples would eventually lose that vulnerability. The trouble is that the process would be heart-breaking.


    Please don't sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    Mama don't want him drinking all the time
    Please don't sell my daddy no more wine, no more wine
    He may be no good but he's still mine
     

    Replies: @anonymous, @Rob

    Yes, seeing a population adapt to alcohol fast would be awful. FAS babies that die from neglect. Normal children abused as well. Lots of men dying in fights. Men and women dying of acute and chronic alcohol poisoning,

    Really, the situation Indians and aborigines is harsher than what happened to long-settled peoples of the old world. You see, we had alcohol long before we had distillation. Our ancestors, well, their coevals failed to thrive from beer and wine. Aborigines can get everclear, and it’s like 15 beers a glass?

    Alcohol is almost certainly cheaper today. Once upon a time grain for fermenting competed with making bread.

    I’ve read that huffing gasoline is a big problem with some aborigines. Alcohol, cheap as it is, is much more expensive than gas.

    The Australian boarding schools were largely an attempt to take abused and neglected children, and raise them in white culture. It was not a resounding success that he former students sing paeans to daily. It’s just not possible to find enough people who want to raise other people’s kids. Those fantastic alloparents should become real parents.

    That’s why I want the neurological basis of their vulnerability found so that they can have better living hrough chemistry. The Human Homogeneity Doctrine is the dominant paradigm, the opposite of HBD is keeping researchers from trying to help solve a root cause of so much misery, and the HHD bunch thoroughly dominate science right now.

    Pretending everyone is the same unde the hood hurts the people they want to help. It’s frustrating.

  81. @Buffalo Joe
    @Bill P

    Bill, there are very interesting short videos about Eskimos by the Canadian Film Board. Simply search "Eskimos seal hunting" or "Eskimos building an igloo" and a series of videos will come up. Fascinating to watch.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill P

    Bill, there are very interesting short videos about Eskimos by the Canadian Film Board. Simply search “Eskimos seal hunting” or “Eskimos building an igloo” and a series of videos will come up. Fascinating to watch.

    Robert Flaherty was accused of staging some of the scenes in Nanook of the North. Of course he did, he had to. His subjects had already given up a number of the traditional methods once more modern equipment had appeared. The adults, however, were still skilled in the old ways, and Flaherty wanted to preserve them on film. He did us all a favor, yet still dilletantes bitch.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  82. ‘any white public intellectual who feels like it can declare himself an Aboriginal’

    Not true. Didn’t work for people trying to pass themselves off as aboriginal artists:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/feb/24/patrickbarkham

    and even they had to establish a relationship by ‘eating kangaroo intestines’ with actual aboriginals.

  83. @Arclight
    This is part of a long progressive tradition of putting some of the least developed human populations on a pedestal for achievements other cultures reached thousands (or in this case tens of thousands) of years ago.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    True. There are traces of this idealisation of the exotic and the primitive throughout the last 300 years at least. But centuries ago it was harmless whimsy. Now it threatens to destroy us.

  84. @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Art Deco


    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They’re high pressure zones with little rainfall.
     
    As always, you lie by telling only a little bit of the story.

    Some 30% or more of Australia lies in the tropical zone. The portion of Australia north of the Tropic of Capricorn is not subtropical.

    Having been to a number of places in Australia, both north of the Tropic of Capricorn and south of the Tropic of Capricorn as well as places like Hong Kong and Thailand that are further north (in some parts of Thailand) that northern Australia is, I am pretty sure you are simply ignorant.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Last Real Calvinist

    The meaning of the phrase ‘most of Australia is in a subtropical zone’ is clear enough. You elect to pretend I said something else for some weird reason of your own.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Art Deco


    The meaning of the phrase ‘most of Australia is in a subtropical zone’ is clear enough.
     
    - he said, drily.

    AD, you're really good at this.
  85. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob


    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?
     
    No, the lack of them. Alcohol is a social construct-- it takes a village to raise a toast-- and it requires generations to build up resistance, or "herd immunity" if you prefer.

    Fermentation can occur in nature, but no one is in any hurry to drink that.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Anonymous

    Fermentation can occur in nature, but no one is in any hurry to drink that.

    But that’s probably how alcohol consumption began in societies where it’s common. Some brave person took a chance at drinking fermented vegetable matter.

    • Replies: @scrivener3
    @Rob McX

    Or, more likely, was moved by necessity to drink some seriously bad swill and then experienced a curious elevation of mood.

  86. @Buffalo Joe
    @Bill P

    Bill, there are very interesting short videos about Eskimos by the Canadian Film Board. Simply search "Eskimos seal hunting" or "Eskimos building an igloo" and a series of videos will come up. Fascinating to watch.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Bill P

    I love watching those old anthropology films. Moana (the original from 1926, also a Flaherty film), which you could still watch on Netflix last I checked, is a good one.

    There are a few from Ireland documenting the old way of life there, but shamefully little remains from Europe. Kurosawa put some good anthropological scenes in some of his movies from Japan, but these days you have to dig deep.

    I do my best to show my kids this stuff, but it feels like a losing battle most of the time.

  87. @Reg Cæsar

    Australia has solved its Racial Inequity problem by decreeing that any white public intellectual who feels like it can declare himself an Aboriginal and the court system will come down like a ton of bricks on anybody who scoffs.
     
    So Windschuttle's problem was that he was too honest to pull a Liz Warren?

    This is kind of what's going on with hemi-Tamil octoroon Kamala Harris. Which brings up a trivia question:

    Twice under the Twelfth Amendment has an election been thrown to Congress to decide due to no majority of electors attained. The one we always hear about is that of 1824. Which was the other? And more importantly, why? Hints: Kamala. Commonwealth.

    (No, it wasn't 1876. That went to Congress, but there was a majority of electors that year. Indeed, both candidates claimed a majority.)

    Replies: @Rob McX

    A quick search tells me it was 1800. Jefferson’s home state is one of the four referred to as a commonwealth. But where does Kamala come into it?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    A quick search tells me it was 1800.
     
    No, it wasn't. The 1800 election preceded the Twelfth Amendment, and in fact inspired/instigated it. No, the election I'm referring to took place in the nineteenth century, in a leap year, neither of which 1800 was.

    Jefferson’s home state is one of the four referred to as a commonwealth.
     
    Actually, I should have said "Commonwealths". This election involved two of those four. Another clue: I said the decision was referred to Congress. I didn't say which house.

    But where does Kamala come into it?
     
    I could turn that question around, but for reasons of taste, I won't. However, there was a Kamala-like figure, demographically speaking, involved.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  88. @YetAnotherAnon
    @BB753

    "the main reason why Australia is so arid"

    It's also very geologically stable - large areas of extremely ancient rock, no volcanism for a very very long time. This means nutrients and minerals being washed out over hundreds of millions of years.

    "In Australia vast areas formerly covered in rainforest have become so dry that oxisols have formed a hard ironstone cover upon which only skeletal soils can form."

    I'd be interested to know who or what removed the rainforest. It wasn't Europeans.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I’m very rusty on this subject, but as far as I can tell from the maps, the Inter-tropical convergence zone only barely touches the Australian continent. The farthest southerly extent of tropical rainforest in Africa today is around the latitude of Australia’s northern extremity. South American has only a sliver of tropical rainforest farther south than that.

  89. @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar


    Fermentation can occur in nature, but no one is in any hurry to drink that.
     
    But that's probably how alcohol consumption began in societies where it's common. Some brave person took a chance at drinking fermented vegetable matter.

    Replies: @scrivener3

    Or, more likely, was moved by necessity to drink some seriously bad swill and then experienced a curious elevation of mood.

  90. @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    A quick search tells me it was 1800. Jefferson's home state is one of the four referred to as a commonwealth. But where does Kamala come into it?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    A quick search tells me it was 1800.

    No, it wasn’t. The 1800 election preceded the Twelfth Amendment, and in fact inspired/instigated it. No, the election I’m referring to took place in the nineteenth century, in a leap year, neither of which 1800 was.

    Jefferson’s home state is one of the four referred to as a commonwealth.

    Actually, I should have said “Commonwealths”. This election involved two of those four. Another clue: I said the decision was referred to Congress. I didn’t say which house.

    But where does Kamala come into it?

    I could turn that question around, but for reasons of taste, I won’t. However, there was a Kamala-like figure, demographically speaking, involved.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's fun tracking down this stuff - it has to be 1836. Being between a white and a non-white (and producing offspring) Johnson's relationship was more scandalous than that of Brown and Harris. I assume that was why Virginia rejected him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  91. @Rob
    @Anonymous

    Because tool set to be the things we can make for ourselves, the US has lost considerable portions of our tool set. Capitalists moved it to China. The Chinese tool set has grown tremendously in just a few decades, so that should be some consolation.

    If it weren’t for Intel, would we make any silicon? Can we make a wide-angle true color LCD screen in America?

    Look at you, clicking a MORE tag!

    I think Americans are becoming something that our forefathers would have reviled. The working class has been immiserated, the middle class gets it’s raises in the form of insurance coverage only slightly worse than last years. The basket of goods the official inflation rate is based on has not risen very much. But what we need to live and thrive-housing, education or job training, medical care-have gotten a lot more expensive.

    The silents are very old now, and the boomers are getting there. Skills will die with them, some obsolete, but can we replace the Swiss machinists? Immigration was supposed to save us. Well, not us, but the capitalists’ investments, so the important part of America. It should be clear that the Meso-Americans are not going to replace the white baby boomers. The immigrants don’t have the brainpower, so expect more of our economy to hollow out.

    But housing market’s fine. So’s the stock market! But how HBD-aware is the average investor? Do they see the Hispanic bulge starting work and his-panic? The money runners couldn’t even price a plague coming that would shut down the economy into asset prices. How could they price in America becoming Mexico? Does China realize their bonds will be worth much less in a couple decades? They probably don’t care. They’ll have our industry, and can always put the bankers against the wall and shoot them. debt weakens us and in the end, we will have to sell commodities for manufactured goods and tech.

    To try to bring this back around, I wonder if the son of the last aborigine who could build a boat knew what his people lost when the knowledge died, or did he think the invisible hand of economics would provide?

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    The bankers should be put up against the wall and shot. It’s too bad that we have to farm the job out to China. Apparently, we’ve lost the skill to do it ourselves.

  92. If you really want to upset low-achieving non-white minorities such as Aborigines, American blacks or American Indians, start questioning their self-definitions (which can change constantly depending on what the intended audience is dumb enough to believe). Their assumption is basically that Euro DNA will do the work and the non-white group will get all the credit. “White” also sometimes includes Asians, as in the case of Kamala Harris.

  93. @black sea
    @Product of Australia's education system

    You may find Robert Hughes' The Fatal Shore worth your time.

    Replies: @Muggles

    Thanks for the mention of Hughes’ The Fatal Shore. About 20 years old now, or older, but was very good reading.

    One of the few modern comprehensive histories of Australia.

    When my wife and I were visiting Hawaii on a snorkeling boat we met some young Australians. I had just read the Fatal Shores book. So I asked them about a few things of historical interest. They knew virtually nothing about anything.

    From what I gathered they didn’t teach any Australian history in their schools. Maybe changed now. They seemed a bit surprised that an American would be so curious about it.

    Brits don’t end up looking too great, overall. That may have something to do with the historical blackout.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Muggles

    Another interesting read about early Australia is "Cooper's Creek" by Alan Moorehead. It tells the tragic story of the 1st expedition across Australia from south to north through what was then called "the ghastly blank" by the Robert Burke and William Willis expedition in 1860 and 1861.
    The area was inhabited only by a few aborigines, whom Moorehead calls "the most retarded people on earth," writing that "they were caught in a timeless apathy in which nothing ever changed or progressed ; they built no villages, they planted no crops, and except for a few flea-bitten dogs possessed no domestic animals of any kind. They hunted, they slept, just occasionally they decked themselves out for a tribal ceremony, but all the rest was a listless dreaming."

    You can download the book from the internet archives for free:

    https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.126248

    , @Product of Australia's education system
    @Muggles

    My suspicion with Australian historiography is that the anti-British narrative preceding the anti-Australian narrative comes from the same people and had the same intent. In other words, the one was preparation for the other: first you assault the heritage, the ancestry; then, unmoored, the population is easier to guilt-trip and re-educate.

    And/or: you can get Australians on board with agreeing that the Aboriginals got screwed over by otherising the British - "It wasn't us, it was the Brits!" - and then, having agreed that Aboriginals got screwed over and that there's a legacy of racism etc, you can elide to blaming Australians themselves, and they can't say anything, because they've already agreed to it. Thus, reparations, "constitutional recognition", etc

    Replies: @Art Deco

  94. @Robert Smith
    I found an old journal in a junk shop. Thought you might like to hear it.
    1954- I am 15 years old. The Supreme Priests have declared a great crusade against racism. The nation has launched a million ships to defeat this scourge. We believe the enemy can be defeated by New Years. I pray for our success!
    1965 - Despite 10 years of battle the great crusade does not go well, cities in flames, rioting, violence. We must redouble our efforts against the enemy!
    1975 - A new generation is being born to inherit the nation's great crusade. I only pray that they may have greater suscess than we have.
    1995 - The crusade does not go well despite our leaders endless claims that progress is being made. Cities continue to burn. I only hope that the third generation to inherit our nations great cause can succeed when so many have failed.
    2020 - I am 80 years old and have spent my left fighting the great crusade. Things are worse than ever. Racism is discovered everywhere! Cities on fire, looting, and people being attacked in the streets. It is as if our efforts have been in vain. Despite this we are prepared to sacrifice endless genrerations and treasure to the struggle. Although I may not live to see the final great victory my faith in the righteousness of our cause is as strong as ever.

    Replies: @Jake, @SINCERITY.net, @Bostonvegas

    While I agree with the premise, what makes it worse is how many pitiful white kids are down to join in the Wilding. And what happened to the once proud ethnics….they tear down Columbus statues in Boston with no backlash…im fairly certain the Guidos from Eastie and the Northend would have cracked antifa heads not that long ago.

  95. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    @black sea

    Thanks for the mention of Hughes' The Fatal Shore. About 20 years old now, or older, but was very good reading.

    One of the few modern comprehensive histories of Australia.

    When my wife and I were visiting Hawaii on a snorkeling boat we met some young Australians. I had just read the Fatal Shores book. So I asked them about a few things of historical interest. They knew virtually nothing about anything.

    From what I gathered they didn't teach any Australian history in their schools. Maybe changed now. They seemed a bit surprised that an American would be so curious about it.

    Brits don't end up looking too great, overall. That may have something to do with the historical blackout.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Product of Australia's education system

    Another interesting read about early Australia is “Cooper’s Creek” by Alan Moorehead. It tells the tragic story of the 1st expedition across Australia from south to north through what was then called “the ghastly blank” by the Robert Burke and William Willis expedition in 1860 and 1861.
    The area was inhabited only by a few aborigines, whom Moorehead calls “the most retarded people on earth,” writing that “they were caught in a timeless apathy in which nothing ever changed or progressed ; they built no villages, they planted no crops, and except for a few flea-bitten dogs possessed no domestic animals of any kind. They hunted, they slept, just occasionally they decked themselves out for a tribal ceremony, but all the rest was a listless dreaming.”

    You can download the book from the internet archives for free:

    https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.126248

  96. @Anon55uu
    The best known “history” before this one, was Geoffrey Blainey’s “triumph of the nomads”. Blainey is known as a right wing figure but saw pre contact aboriginal history as one of acheivement. Getting families from the indonesian archipelago to the australian mainland by canoe - which must have happened at some point - is no mean feat (a 2000 mile one way trip over the horizon into the unknown), though sea levels were probably lower.

    The appearance of some people of partial aboriginal descent is certainly striking. One of the more strident long term activists, Michael Mansell - who is very pale himself - claims pascoe has no aboriginal ancestry. Australian Rotary clubs sponsor indigenous health scholarships and appearance of many of the recipients - very few if any seem to be of wholly aboriginal descent - is quite interesting.

    https://australianrotaryhealth.org.au/programs/indigenous-health-scholarships/

    Replies: @Paco Wové, @sb

    I thought Aborigines came to Australia from Flores via rafts.
    I suspect that they once may have had skills which they lost ie they went backwards. ( I recall Jared Diamond talking of ancient peoples having skills which they gave up or lost because they were just not essential for immediate survival)
    For instance Tasmanian aborigines may have once had the ability to make fire but they lost it .
    Tasmanian aborigines were probably well on the path of extinction when the white fella arrived . Remember there are aborigine remains on some offshore islands which were aborigine free when whites came . The southern aborigines maybe lost the skill of making boats (canoes ) which survived in the North ( which had some contact with others in the region )

    There is quite a history of people with minimal aboriginal ancestry ( and minimal includes zero ) sweeping up all the goodies available to ” people of indigenous ancestry “. But this happens everywhere -think of all the “affirmative action” in the US meant for the descendants of US slavery which goes to others

  97. @SINCERITY.net
    @Robert Smith

    There is absolutely no solution in the fake news false dogma society we live in. Only scientific honesty and acceptance of "Racist" facts can point to the solution. Steve Sailer is working on tearing down society's blindness

    We do have a religion-like taboo against race realism aka " racism". Equivalently we have the iron clad mandatory virtuous #PCGagOrder: " Never speak negatively about minorities in order not to stir up prejudice".

    This is pernicious because

    A) prejudice is mostly true
    https://4racism.org/prejudice-accuracy-bias.html

    B) #TheTruthIsRacist
    https://4racism.org/#Race_differences0
    https://sincerity.net/factsareracist/

    C) #RacismSavesLives (anti-racist de-policing caused the Ferguson effect with additional 1000 mostly black homicides per year
    https://4racism.org/#Racism_Saves_Lives

    D) from one false premise, everything false can logically be derived
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/


    Read
    4Racism.org
    The main page and the 80 pages on the SITE-MAP

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    There is absolutely no solution

    You haven’t read enough Covington.

    You can’t beat them at their own game, which boils down to “heads I win, tails you lose.”

    We need to play a new game, here’s few modest suggestions:

    1 [REDACTED]

    2 [REDACTED]

    3 [REDACTED]

    4 [REDACTED]

  98. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Racial inequity, and iniquity, is a two-way street:

    The tide turns in the international surrogacy market

    International surrogacy is often reviled as a system in which Western, mostly white people, exploit the bodies of women in underdeveloped countries, who are often women of colour. A typical feature in the media will display images of poor, heavily pregnant women in saris sleeping in a crowded dormitory.

    But this is not the image of surrogacy in Japan, explains Yoshie Yanagihara, a sociologist at Tokyo Denki University in a fascinating article in the journal Bioethics. After studying portrayals of surrogacy in the Japanese media, she concludes that “The current situation in Asia flips this perspective—with white women regarded as easier targets for exploitation by wealthy people of colour. For Asian clients, Westerners can be easily regarded as ‘others’ whom they can use for their reproductive needs.”

    She contends that women’s bodies everywhere – in Mumbai or Los Angeles -- must be protected “regardless of nationality, ethnicity, skin colour, or religion”...


     

    Dr Yanagihara attributes the Western willingness to Christian altruism. But this would be among the insufficiently catechized. The majority of Christians worldwide are Catholic, and the Vatican roundly condemns this business. I assume the Orthodox would as well, and many-- but hardly all-- Protestants.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yoshie Yanagihara, a sociologist at Tokyo Denki University …

    Why is there a sociologist at Tokyo Denki [Electricity] University?

    Inevitably, Yoshie-chan employs “other” as a verb as is the the socio-sorrority’s wont.

    If any Japanese government bureaucrat is reading this – SHUT DOWN TOKYO DENKI UNIVERSITY NOW before this noxious pollution spreads far and wide.

  99. @Buffalo Joe
    @Clyde

    Clyde, I had that photo, a gift from my second oldest daughter. Love the guys eating lunch with their gloves on and water in a pint whiskey bottle. When they asked for help identifying the 11 Ironworkers, they got 44 names. The nearby Russell's Steak House has that grouping as a sculpture. In my local union I met one Ironworker who worked on the Empire State Building and one who worked on the Golden Gate Bridge. No iconic structures in my resume'.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Thanks! Any other iron workers here? (crickets)

  100. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    A quick search tells me it was 1800.
     
    No, it wasn't. The 1800 election preceded the Twelfth Amendment, and in fact inspired/instigated it. No, the election I'm referring to took place in the nineteenth century, in a leap year, neither of which 1800 was.

    Jefferson’s home state is one of the four referred to as a commonwealth.
     
    Actually, I should have said "Commonwealths". This election involved two of those four. Another clue: I said the decision was referred to Congress. I didn't say which house.

    But where does Kamala come into it?
     
    I could turn that question around, but for reasons of taste, I won't. However, there was a Kamala-like figure, demographically speaking, involved.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    It’s fun tracking down this stuff – it has to be 1836. Being between a white and a non-white (and producing offspring) Johnson’s relationship was more scandalous than that of Brown and Harris. I assume that was why Virginia rejected him.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX

    Yes. In 1824, the presidential election went to the House, but the vice presidential contest did not go to the Senate. John C Calhoun dropped out of the presidential race early and pretty much ran for VP on both tickets. He had way more than a majority of electors.

    Van Buren won handily in 1836, but without Virginia's electors, Johnson had to be elected by the Senate.

    However, other than being female and 12.5-25% African-- and having an intimate yet informal relationship with a major politician-- Julia Chinn has nothing in common with Kamala Harris. She even died a few years before Richard's nomination. He was shacking up with another slave girl by that time.


    An intriguing question is, not why did Virginia's electors boycott him, but why only Virginia's.

  101. Another short film, made around 1965, of Aborigines who still lived in the traditional way.

    BTW: flies in the outback have a well deserved reputation for their friendliness.

  102. @Art Deco
    @Product of Australia's education system

    All I remember from history class is “All the way with LBJ!”, and something about the arrival of suburbia. Maybe we invented the lawnmower or something? And the Hill’s Hoist? The rest of the time we learned about America and Nazi Germany.

    I'm taking you at face value. Given that you built an affluent country on a foundation of some of the world's most intimidating geography and you did so with a founding population chock-a-block with convicts, you've got ample raw material for an engaging narrative. Kind of a scandal you don't get to hear about it.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Product of Australia's education system

    I’m sure others will have heard about it. Perhaps I did, and I don’t remember.

    That said, I’m not aware of there being much of a narrative. You’re correct that the raw material is there…

    Bear in mind that, whatever country you’re in, probably the engaging narrative of your own history was written a minimum of 50 years ago; subsequently the narrative has probably been made considerably less engaging.

    This is certainly the case in Australia, where the term “the black armband view of history” was coined. Gaywads have responded with “the white blindfold view of history”, which, as noted, is gay.

    Anyway, my point is an old fucker would be more likely to have got the proper story

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Product of Australia's education system

    Do you have things like "Those Were the Days" old-time radio programming in Australia? Radio programs from the 30s-50s as it was presented.


    Those Were the Days
    Saturday, 1 to 5 p.m.

    WDCB is very pleased to present "Those Were the Days," a program that has played a prominent role in Chicago's radio history for more than 35 years. Drawing from a vast library of material each Saturday, Steve Darnall presents old-time radio classics & music.

    https://wdcb.org/programs

    https://www.nostalgiadigest.com/
     
  103. @Muggles
    @black sea

    Thanks for the mention of Hughes' The Fatal Shore. About 20 years old now, or older, but was very good reading.

    One of the few modern comprehensive histories of Australia.

    When my wife and I were visiting Hawaii on a snorkeling boat we met some young Australians. I had just read the Fatal Shores book. So I asked them about a few things of historical interest. They knew virtually nothing about anything.

    From what I gathered they didn't teach any Australian history in their schools. Maybe changed now. They seemed a bit surprised that an American would be so curious about it.

    Brits don't end up looking too great, overall. That may have something to do with the historical blackout.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Product of Australia's education system

    My suspicion with Australian historiography is that the anti-British narrative preceding the anti-Australian narrative comes from the same people and had the same intent. In other words, the one was preparation for the other: first you assault the heritage, the ancestry; then, unmoored, the population is easier to guilt-trip and re-educate.

    And/or: you can get Australians on board with agreeing that the Aboriginals got screwed over by otherising the British – “It wasn’t us, it was the Brits!” – and then, having agreed that Aboriginals got screwed over and that there’s a legacy of racism etc, you can elide to blaming Australians themselves, and they can’t say anything, because they’ve already agreed to it. Thus, reparations, “constitutional recognition”, etc

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Product of Australia's education system

    The whole point is the self-aggrandizement of the chatterati, who develop none of the skill sets you need for survival in inclement circumstances. It wouldn't be bothersome if they'd give props to people who have, but they don't do that. They set themselves up as the determiners of value. They keep at it because the rest of society doesn't talk back to them.

  104. @El Dato
    @Product of Australia's education system

    There is nothing embarrassing in the fact that your genetic branch of humanity has adapted & survived for a long time in a hardscrabble continent. Could have gone extinct.

    Machine & Tool based civilizations are an accident and will likely disappear again in time. Too hard and demand that there are crazies with peculiarly wired brains around who are into that stuff.


    I’m not actually sure they’d even invented the wheel.
     
    Doesn't look like it:

    Aboriginal inventions: 10 enduring innovations


    ABORIGINAL PEOPLE FORMED one of the most technologically advanced societies in the world when they first arrived in Australia [i.e. 75000 years ago]. The way they adapted to our country’s challenging conditions is a testament to Aussie inventiveness. [that's such a bizarre statement I can't even]
     

    Replies: @Product of Australia's education system

    There is nothing embarrassing in the fact that your genetic branch of humanity has adapted & survived for a long time in a hardscrabble continent. Could have gone extinct.

    That’s a healthy perspective which is not shared by Aboriginals, or anti-racist whites, as we see in the OP.

  105. @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Art Deco


    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They’re high pressure zones with little rainfall.
     
    As always, you lie by telling only a little bit of the story.

    Some 30% or more of Australia lies in the tropical zone. The portion of Australia north of the Tropic of Capricorn is not subtropical.

    Having been to a number of places in Australia, both north of the Tropic of Capricorn and south of the Tropic of Capricorn as well as places like Hong Kong and Thailand that are further north (in some parts of Thailand) that northern Australia is, I am pretty sure you are simply ignorant.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Southern China is subtropical. It’s not dry at all.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The place where I live is subtropical, and it rains all the time here!


    All subtropical zones are arid.
     
    Certain bloviating bozos need to be called out more often.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropics

  106. @Rob
    @Corvinus

    I would not necessarily expect them to metabolize alcohol badly, though that last reference said they have not the ALDH1A1*2 allele in Indians or esquimeaux. What I might expect is they have not been harshly selected over centuries to handle alcohol well. Different neurotransmitter receptor alleles. A pleasure center that is more responsive to alcohol.

    Finally, alcoholic is a phenotype, and it must have a heritability != 0. Because susceptibility to alcoholism varies within populations, it can potentially vary between populations. Does not mean that it does, but...

    Lastly these experts are not experts on behavioral genetics, and varying more within populations than between them is a weasley not quite lie. The difference between populations can lead to large differences at the extremes. More of the population is above any threshold you decide is problem drinking.

    Play around with http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects setting population means so that there is more variation within than between the reds and blues (a bell curve is usually taken to have negligible area more than 3 standard deviations to each side.

    Finally, who would go on the record these days saying a racial gap was genetic? Hello cancelation!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What I might expect is they [Native Americans] have not been harshly selected over centuries to handle alcohol well. **Different neurotransmitter receptor alleles**. A pleasure center that is more responsive to alcohol.”

    **Interesting. What research has there been on this particular topic that you are drawing from?

    • Replies: @res
    @Corvinus

    These two papers might be helpful.

    Evidence for a Genetic Component for Substance Dependence in Native Americans
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603686/

    Abstract Conclusions.


    Substance dependence has a substantial genetic component in Native Americans, similar in magnitude to that reported for other populations. The high rates of substance dependence seen in some tribes is likely a combination of a lack of genetic protective factors (metabolizing enzyme variants) combined with genetically mediated risk factors (externalizing traits, consumption drive, drug sensitivity/tolerance) that combine with key environmental factors (trauma exposure, early age of onset of use, environmental hardship/contingencies) to produce increased risk for the disorder.
     
    Genetics and genomics of alcohol sensitivity
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4037586/
  107. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob


    It would be interesting to find out what makes Indians, aborigines, Eskimo, and bushmen so vulnerable to alcohol, is it the same pathway(s) in all of them? Different alleles but of the same genes?
     
    No, the lack of them. Alcohol is a social construct-- it takes a village to raise a toast-- and it requires generations to build up resistance, or "herd immunity" if you prefer.

    Fermentation can occur in nature, but no one is in any hurry to drink that.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Anonymous

    Wind fallen fruit will quickly start to ferment in warm weather. Our hungry ancestors would have eaten it and got mildly drunk. There are funny videos on youtube of this happening to animals in Africa today.

  108. @Art Deco
    @BB753

    As far as we know, Aborigines practiced slash and burn agriculture, which is the main reason why Australia is so arid.

    Most of Australia is in a subtropical zone. All subtropical zones are arid. They're high pressure zones with little rainfall.

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter, @Jane Plain

    Not all of subtropical zones are arid.

    That said, it’s absurd to say that the Aborigines created the central Australian desert because of slash and burn farming. Makes no sense.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jane Plain

    I didn't say that. But they certainly contributed to the deforestation of Australia. And lack of forests and vegetation mean less humidity which in turn means less rainfall, and so on, in a vicious circle. Australia would be the only place on earth where man didn't change the environment if this wasn't so.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jane Plain

    I think the inter-tropical convergence zone extends farther north in the Far East. If I'm reading the weather map correctly, the high pressure zone in the Far East is over Siberia.

  109. @Bill P
    @Product of Australia's education system

    Here's a good short film from the 50s that shows how they lived:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNIPXa5USZE

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Jane Plain

    I’ve always admired people who adapted to extreme environments. And how long did it take white people to produce a Newton?

    I won’t mention the other guy because he wasn’t white.

  110. @Product of Australia's education system
    @Art Deco

    I'm sure others will have heard about it. Perhaps I did, and I don't remember.

    That said, I'm not aware of there being much of a narrative. You're correct that the raw material is there...

    Bear in mind that, whatever country you're in, probably the engaging narrative of your own history was written a minimum of 50 years ago; subsequently the narrative has probably been made considerably less engaging.

    This is certainly the case in Australia, where the term "the black armband view of history" was coined. Gaywads have responded with "the white blindfold view of history", which, as noted, is gay.

    Anyway, my point is an old fucker would be more likely to have got the proper story

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    Do you have things like “Those Were the Days” old-time radio programming in Australia? Radio programs from the 30s-50s as it was presented.

    Those Were the Days
    Saturday, 1 to 5 p.m.

    WDCB is very pleased to present “Those Were the Days,” a program that has played a prominent role in Chicago’s radio history for more than 35 years. Drawing from a vast library of material each Saturday, Steve Darnall presents old-time radio classics & music.

    https://wdcb.org/programs

    https://www.nostalgiadigest.com/

  111. @Jane Plain
    @Art Deco

    Not all of subtropical zones are arid.

    That said, it's absurd to say that the Aborigines created the central Australian desert because of slash and burn farming. Makes no sense.

    Replies: @BB753, @Art Deco

    I didn’t say that. But they certainly contributed to the deforestation of Australia. And lack of forests and vegetation mean less humidity which in turn means less rainfall, and so on, in a vicious circle. Australia would be the only place on earth where man didn’t change the environment if this wasn’t so.

    • Agree: Jane Plain
  112. @Corvinus
    @Rob

    "What I might expect is they [Native Americans] have not been harshly selected over centuries to handle alcohol well. **Different neurotransmitter receptor alleles**. A pleasure center that is more responsive to alcohol."

    **Interesting. What research has there been on this particular topic that you are drawing from?

    Replies: @res

    These two papers might be helpful.

    Evidence for a Genetic Component for Substance Dependence in Native Americans
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3603686/

    Abstract Conclusions.

    Substance dependence has a substantial genetic component in Native Americans, similar in magnitude to that reported for other populations. The high rates of substance dependence seen in some tribes is likely a combination of a lack of genetic protective factors (metabolizing enzyme variants) combined with genetically mediated risk factors (externalizing traits, consumption drive, drug sensitivity/tolerance) that combine with key environmental factors (trauma exposure, early age of onset of use, environmental hardship/contingencies) to produce increased risk for the disorder.

    Genetics and genomics of alcohol sensitivity
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4037586/

  113. @Jane Plain
    @Art Deco

    Not all of subtropical zones are arid.

    That said, it's absurd to say that the Aborigines created the central Australian desert because of slash and burn farming. Makes no sense.

    Replies: @BB753, @Art Deco

    I think the inter-tropical convergence zone extends farther north in the Far East. If I’m reading the weather map correctly, the high pressure zone in the Far East is over Siberia.

  114. @Product of Australia's education system
    @Muggles

    My suspicion with Australian historiography is that the anti-British narrative preceding the anti-Australian narrative comes from the same people and had the same intent. In other words, the one was preparation for the other: first you assault the heritage, the ancestry; then, unmoored, the population is easier to guilt-trip and re-educate.

    And/or: you can get Australians on board with agreeing that the Aboriginals got screwed over by otherising the British - "It wasn't us, it was the Brits!" - and then, having agreed that Aboriginals got screwed over and that there's a legacy of racism etc, you can elide to blaming Australians themselves, and they can't say anything, because they've already agreed to it. Thus, reparations, "constitutional recognition", etc

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The whole point is the self-aggrandizement of the chatterati, who develop none of the skill sets you need for survival in inclement circumstances. It wouldn’t be bothersome if they’d give props to people who have, but they don’t do that. They set themselves up as the determiners of value. They keep at it because the rest of society doesn’t talk back to them.

  115. @Art Deco
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    The meaning of the phrase 'most of Australia is in a subtropical zone' is clear enough. You elect to pretend I said something else for some weird reason of your own.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    The meaning of the phrase ‘most of Australia is in a subtropical zone’ is clear enough.

    – he said, drily.

    AD, you’re really good at this.

  116. @Rob McX
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's fun tracking down this stuff - it has to be 1836. Being between a white and a non-white (and producing offspring) Johnson's relationship was more scandalous than that of Brown and Harris. I assume that was why Virginia rejected him.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yes. In 1824, the presidential election went to the House, but the vice presidential contest did not go to the Senate. John C Calhoun dropped out of the presidential race early and pretty much ran for VP on both tickets. He had way more than a majority of electors.

    Van Buren won handily in 1836, but without Virginia’s electors, Johnson had to be elected by the Senate.

    However, other than being female and 12.5-25% African– and having an intimate yet informal relationship with a major politician– Julia Chinn has nothing in common with Kamala Harris. She even died a few years before Richard’s nomination. He was shacking up with another slave girl by that time.

    An intriguing question is, not why did Virginia’s electors boycott him, but why only Virginia’s.

  117. @Bucky
    @Corvinus

    By that same measure, East Asians appear to be more immune to alcoholism. What is odd about it is how closely related east Asians are to native Americans.

    Replies: @Anon

    One of the recent discoveries is that it apparently doesn’t take that long for important genetic divergences to develop, a few thousand years, even several hundred.

    • Replies: @res
    @Anon

    I tend to think you are correct, but do you have any good examples of that happening in humans over several hundred years?

    Lactose tolerance is a good example of a few thousand years in humans. Some discussion in this comment.
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/weaponizing-race/#comment-4041956

    The peppered moth is a good example of less than hundred years in animals.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

  118. @Anon
    @Bucky

    One of the recent discoveries is that it apparently doesn't take that long for important genetic divergences to develop, a few thousand years, even several hundred.

    Replies: @res

    I tend to think you are correct, but do you have any good examples of that happening in humans over several hundred years?

    Lactose tolerance is a good example of a few thousand years in humans. Some discussion in this comment.
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/weaponizing-race/#comment-4041956

    The peppered moth is a good example of less than hundred years in animals.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

  119. @TWS
    @Bucky

    No. Fake native American history would lead one to be a tree hugging hippy shedding one manly tear at the pollution.

    Real history would lead one on different paths.

    Replies: @Bucky

    Still infinitely preferable to black history.

    • Agree: TWS
  120. @SaneClownPosse
    @Rob

    "If we knew why, we could maybe come up with a drug that would help them. [to drink alcohol]"

    A drug. To help them metabolize alcohol.

    Working for the both the Pharmaceutical and the Liquor industries?

    Replies: @Rob

    If this thread is still alive, the ideal drug would not necessarily help them metabolize alcohol. It would make them not enjoy drinking as much as they do, but have enough of an upside in itself that it would be preferable to take the pill and not drink over not taking the pill and drinking. Ideally, taking more than the prescribed dose would be no more enjoyable than taking it as prescribed, so it would be a sort of anabuse /Ritalin hybrid.

    NB. I don’t suggest using anabuse and Ritalin to stay on the wagon.

  121. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Southern China is subtropical. It's not dry at all.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    The place where I live is subtropical, and it rains all the time here!

    All subtropical zones are arid.

    Certain bloviating bozos need to be called out more often.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropics

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