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During the Not So Great Reset, many American colleges are discarding or downgrading consideration of college admissions test (SAT or ACT) in order to rely more heavily upon even more easily gamed factors such as My Essay About What I Learned Digging Latrines in Costa Rica on Horace Lippincott Prep’s Annual Holiday College Application Enrichment Trip to the Global South.

There are two big factors driving the growing unpopularity of college admission testing:

There is the perennial white vs. black gap in average scores. This has been around forever and it doesn’t change much. All that is different now is that nobody with brains and money really believes at the moment that it will ever go away. In contrast, 15 years ago it was common for billionaires to suggest that their new Ed Reform initiative would close the Gap real soon now because, obviously, nobody ever tried before us to Close the Gap. So, at the moment, the Ed Reform guys are disillusioned and unpopular.

And there is the growing Asian vs. everybody else gap (from Unsilenced Science):

This is almost never discussed publicly, but it has to play a role in the current unpopularity of testing: non-Asian upper middle class parents are seeing their kids get left in the dust by the kids of Tiger Mothers who insist upon fanatical years-long test prep.

These growing anti-Asian sentiments get sublimated into the recent anti-white celebrity frenzy over the fairly small scale Varsity Blues scandal in which an actress on Desperate Housewives became The Face of Elite Cheating on the SAT.

How could we reform college admissions testing?

1. Get rid of the ancient paper-and-pencil test format in favor of adaptive computerized testing that switches in harder or easier questions on the fly. Kids correctly answering early questions would be served harder questions to help distinguish high scorers more finely, while low scorers would get easier questions to keep them from giving up completely.

This would have a number of advantages:

Since nobody would take the same test, there’d be no incentive to steal a copy of the printed test ahead of time, as often happens in Asia. Nor would people who take the test earlier in one part of the world have an incentive to text questions to their cousins in another part of the world taking it the same day.

Instead of drawing verbal questions just from this year’s list of, say, 2000 vocabulary words, which encourages Asians to rote memorize, each test each year would be drawn from all 40,000+ words in the English language.

Switching to adaptive testing allows top scorers to be given harder questions on the fly. So then raise the maximum score another standard deviation to 900 on the SAT and 40 on the ACT. Right now, there are a whole bunch of smart kids who get, say, 0 to 2 wrong per test, which means you can’t have much confidence in how to rank high scorers against each other. Colleges kind of like that because it lets them pick applicants 700+ who appear to be more likely to donate or more likely to be the kind of activists favored by the Admissions committee members (who are compensated in part by getting a thumb on the scale to let in a few kids who remind them of themselves).

This would allow finer distinctions to be drawn among high scorers: “E.g., this white kid in Decatur doesn’t see to have had professional help in finetuning his essay to appeal to our tastes on the Admissions Committee, but he did score 880 verbal, 860 math. You don’t see that very often.”

2. Shrink SAT to more of pure IQ test. High school grade point average is a pretty good measure of how hard-working students are. But outside of a few St. Grottlesex-type prep schools, it’s not that easy for the admissions committee to figure out just from GPA if the applicant has the raw processing power to thrive in a difficult major.

Moreover, there are more than a few diamond-in-the-rough kids, usually boys, who have the smarts to make something impressive out of their lives but were bored, unchallenged, distracted or whatever in high school.

For example, analogies were dumped from the SAT about 17 years ago For Reasons involving The Gap. But analogies are highly g-loaded and perhaps tougher to massively test prep for. So instead of helping blacks narrow the gap, getting rid of analogies helped Asians pull away.

So, shorten the SAT from multiple hours of stuff that can be massively test-prepped to maybe an hour of the most g-loaded, hardest to prep questions.

3. With the unused time, mandaate SAT Subject or Advanced Placement tests to be used in college admissions. That way, test preppers would at least learn some Chemistry or History or whatever.

 
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  1. The Test can also expanded the the choices for answer from 4 to maybe eight answer. That makes test prep harder and takes away as much test strategy prep.

    Also, the test should probably be longer rather than shorter. The longer the test, the harder the prep.

  2. 2. Shrink SAT to more of pure IQ test.

    Forget about it, Steve…

  3. Yes to bringing back verbal analogies.

    and, if people are getting, “perfect scores,” there is a problem with the tests’ construction. There should be enough questions on a test, with no correct answer, to confound anyone from getting a perfect score (except by random chance).

    • Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Coemgen

    What is the point of a question with no correct answer? That's the exact opposite of the g-loaded test he wants. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the structure of an intelligence test if intelligent people can score 100%. But filling it with questions designed to prevent perfect scores sabotages the predictive value. How would a college know the difference between a smart kid who got all 90 answerable questions correct, but all 10 bullshit ones wrong, versus the less-smart but luckier one who got 80 of 90 answers correct and guessed right on all 10 bullshit questions? Or, if you prefer a more statistically probable answer, the kid who gets 87 of 90 answerable questions and guesses right 3 times?

    Also, what happened in 2013-2015 to cause SAT scores to fall so sharply? It can't be just the Furgeson Effect, scores dropped more for whites and Asians than blacks. Also, Amerindian scores took a hell of a dive.
    Were mothers simply less careful about carrying around their infants in 1996 and 1997 than in 1995 and 1998?

    Replies: @Coemgen

    , @Hi There
    @Coemgen


    if people are getting, “perfect scores,” there is a problem with the tests’ construction.
     
    If lots of people get perfect scores, then the test isn't differentiating among the higher end. It depends on what the test is intended to do.

    I got a perfect math SAT + GRE. I say the test has little value and if I were designing a modern education system to benefit the masses, both the academically smart, and everyone else, I wouldn't use these tests.
  4. Do whatever you can, but evidently, highly prestigious US institutions will take a nosedive.

    Stereotypes are mostly correct; not 100%, but- mostly.

    Blacks are not cut out for higher learning; Asians are, at best, zombie geniuses lacking a truly original creative spirit.

    And highly acclaimed universities must follow the destiny of a society at large …

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The meaning of genius is creator, so your description of Asians is a contradiction in terms.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  5. These are excellent suggestions Steve.

    That the College Board hasn’t made the SAT adaptive already–like the military’s AFQT/ASVAB–is a joke. (Kind of reminds me of Pfizer/Moderna still peddling this shot aimed at the Fauci original from two years ago.) Colleges are really pathetic in not having already demanded better.

    ~~

    But the big fix is we simply do not need 50% of American kids trotting off to “college” for “education” on the Fordist model. The Internet exists now.

    Make competency tests for knowledge/skill routine and widely available. Let kids pick up the skills necessary for employment any way they want. And save “college” for those really interested in an academic education.

    And in the process we save families money, give motivated kids a clear path forward even down in HS, get young adults ready for adult/family life earlier, clean out nests of toxic indoctrination and turf out a bunch of parasites–win, win, win, win, win.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @AnotherDad

    The idea that college will go away for most is a dream. When looking through a ton of linkedin pages and online resumes, people who do the hiring will still be looking for college degrees, advanced degrees, and then credentials.

  6. I’m sure you know this, but grad school admissions tests such as the GRE and GMAT use adaptive computerized testing. The LSAT is still holding out.

  7. So it looks as if the BLM crowd is getting involved with the fatal police shooting of a 14-year-old girl in Los Angeles and screaming racism. Their involvement is utterly pointless because: 1) it was a completely unintentional shooting, she was hit by a ricochet while hiding in the dressing room of a Burlington Coat Factory as a cop fired at a lunatic attacking shoppers with a heavy bicycle lock; 2) although the girl was from Chile she looked basically white, so no racial motivations; and 3) even if the cop somehow hated Chileans he wouldn’t have known she was one because she was hiding in a dressing room.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @prosa123

    The two black cops in Chicago who shot a white guy twice in the back on camera around the time of the George Floyd incident didn't seem to capture the imagination of BLM for some reason. Actually, it wasn't both of the cops who shot him, just the fat midget female black cop, Melvina Bogard.

    , @Anon
    @prosa123

    BLM may try to protest, but LA may not cooperate. LA has avoided the worst excesses of BLM so far, so the protesters just may find themselves arrested quickly. The city government knows perfectly well the BLM members intend the protest to be a cover for looting luxury businesses. If they don't, they're dumber than dirt. The whole protest 'n' loot shtick has grown old by now.

    Secondly, the Democratic party elites don't want more protests and looting. They don't want to suppress their own turnout in midterms.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I've see the video. The cops have been told "active shooter" but the guy in fact has only a bike lock and they never actually see a gun. The cops meanwhile have what looks like an AR-15. There is no richocet - the bullet goes right thru the target and thru the drywall and kills the girl who is hiding in a dressing room behind him. It's lucky that it didn't go thru the Dryvit and kill someone in the parking lot too.

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I'm not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/us/lapd-teen-killed-dressing-room-valentina-orellana-peralta/index.html

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG, @Alden

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @prosa123

    It was a local crime and tragedy. So why did it immediately show up on the front page of the NYT? Obviously to push the anti-cop, anti-law-enforcement narrative. There are probably armies of young woke 'journalists' who scour the news to find a narrative-adaptable story like this. BLM involvement is part of the larger scam.

  8. Asians gain about 70 points from prep courses, whites about 20. I read an article attributing this prep-gap mainly to the existence of Asian “neighborhood cram schools.” Cramming would be the opposite of years&years of tigering. Asian self-segregation into neighborhoods really pays off because it is feasible for cram schools to locate there. Blacks also live in neighborhoods, but, um, ….

    • Replies: @Alden
    @SafeNow

    The adaptive tests are incredibly unfair to Whites and Asians. They’re also used in some occupational and professional certification exams.

    Don’t just check black on your application. Click on several wrong answers the first 15 questions and just sail through the test with a high score.

    All this Christian Western European ethics won’t help American Whites. The only way we can survive; just survive is to be as crooked and criminal as blacks and other non Whites.

    None of the UNZ naive writers and readers who discuss testing read mandarin Cantonese Korean and other Asian languages. According to my friend Xaibo aka Bob, the Asian language internet and community newspapers are full of ads for “ absolute guaranteed high score” test prep courses. Aka we will help you cheat.

    Sign up for one of those courses and you will get a very high score. Here’s a few ways.

    1 Give your ID to one of our professional test takers. Sex height needs to more or less match. The woman test takers all have 3 or 4 wigs. Easy matches when everyone has straight black hair dark brown slants eyes white to light tan skin and average 5’7 for men 5’2 for women. There are plenty of professional test takers who are taller than the average Asian.

    The test administrators learned about this and now often require a police fingerprint card along with the application. Easy solution. Professional test taker takes the official dr license of the person they plan to impersonate to have prints taken. The applications are online nowadays and the fingerprint card is supposed to be scanned in.

    2 A tiny plug that goes into the ears. Hair should be worn to cover the ears. . A voice says question 1 the answer is B question 2 the answer is D

    3 There was a big scandal a few years ago in California. Special pencils and eye glasses. The pencils looked like standard # 2 yellow pencils. But put the glasses on and the test takers can see all the question numbers and letters of the correct answers on the pencil. 1-D. 2-C

    I’m sure there’s more. As Kipling said “ here lies the man who tried to beat the east”

    Ignore testing. Just check the black box. Do it when your kids start kindergarten. They won’t even have to apply for jobs. They will get job offers from every government agency and big corporations starting the first month of third year of college.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Alden, @Wilkey

    , @Muggles
    @SafeNow

    I did very well on the late 60s (hard) SAT and ACT tests.

    Zero test prepping where I lived. Back then very rare.

    Did well enough to get admitted to two highly selective private schools. Where I attended was a small but highly SAT selected student body.

    So I was about average there. Upon arrival I heard tell of a guy who had a perfect SAT score (1600) which made me cringe. A kid from the sticks on a curve with that? For me, then, dropping out meant Hello Vietnam.

    So maybe a diamond in the rough. Back then, 4/5 of the students were male, mostly whites.

    Now, so I hear, over half female and many Asians. They are trying to be Woke.

    If we don't hold to the older selective criteria (at selective schools) then China and elsewhere will.

    Sure tests can be better designed. But when your surgeon is opening up your skull, do you want Woke or Merit holding the scalpel? No cheating or "bonus Woke" points either.

    , @Hi There
    @SafeNow

    I got a perfect math SAT + GRE score with zero prep. I was on the math team in high school, I did that for fun. The SAT/GRE are much, much easier tests... I would scrap them as I don't think they serve the mission of education. I am pro-test, btw, but I don't think the SAT/GRE are important tests.

  9. Steve’s suggestions are completely reasonable. Wonkish tinkering is so 1990s, though, and will likely go nowhere.

    Easier to adopt the Kendian notion that all disparities are evidence of racism: hence, kill the white people, and their yellow adjacents. That, or get rid of the tests, and everyone who gets in takes a pseudo-scientific DNA test tinkered enough to show a .1% sub-Saharan or Native American ancestry.

  10. @prosa123
    So it looks as if the BLM crowd is getting involved with the fatal police shooting of a 14-year-old girl in Los Angeles and screaming racism. Their involvement is utterly pointless because: 1) it was a completely unintentional shooting, she was hit by a ricochet while hiding in the dressing room of a Burlington Coat Factory as a cop fired at a lunatic attacking shoppers with a heavy bicycle lock; 2) although the girl was from Chile she looked basically white, so no racial motivations; and 3) even if the cop somehow hated Chileans he wouldn't have known she was one because she was hiding in a dressing room.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @Jack D, @Mike_from_SGV

    The two black cops in Chicago who shot a white guy twice in the back on camera around the time of the George Floyd incident didn’t seem to capture the imagination of BLM for some reason. Actually, it wasn’t both of the cops who shot him, just the fat midget female black cop, Melvina Bogard.

  11. Anon[391] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    So it looks as if the BLM crowd is getting involved with the fatal police shooting of a 14-year-old girl in Los Angeles and screaming racism. Their involvement is utterly pointless because: 1) it was a completely unintentional shooting, she was hit by a ricochet while hiding in the dressing room of a Burlington Coat Factory as a cop fired at a lunatic attacking shoppers with a heavy bicycle lock; 2) although the girl was from Chile she looked basically white, so no racial motivations; and 3) even if the cop somehow hated Chileans he wouldn't have known she was one because she was hiding in a dressing room.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @Jack D, @Mike_from_SGV

    BLM may try to protest, but LA may not cooperate. LA has avoided the worst excesses of BLM so far, so the protesters just may find themselves arrested quickly. The city government knows perfectly well the BLM members intend the protest to be a cover for looting luxury businesses. If they don’t, they’re dumber than dirt. The whole protest ‘n’ loot shtick has grown old by now.

    Secondly, the Democratic party elites don’t want more protests and looting. They don’t want to suppress their own turnout in midterms.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    ThreeNineOne, there have been, in Buffalo, at least three incidents that I can remember where children were shot and killed by a bullet that pierced a wall or window and killed them. All in the inner city, none by police. And, the killer of Kate Steinle was acquitted of chargers in her murder because the bullet ricochetted off the pavement and struck her dead. Shame about the young girl, sad for her family. Will we find out that the perp, not the cop, was out on bail? A ex felon? We will see.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    They don’t want to suppress their own turnout in midterms.
     
    Finally, we're back on topic-- academic performance!


    https://quotessayings.net/pics/college-midterms-quote-by-jimmy-fallon-992861.jpg
  12. What makes you assume that elite colleges need an IQ test to identify middle America John Nashes, and what makes you assume that they’re confused at all by Asian over performance on the ACT and SAT?

    The conclusion the lawyers wanted everyone to draw from the Students for Fair Admissions lawsuit is ceterus paribus Harvard admits fewer Asians than standardized testing predicts because the Harvard admissions office is racist. A more parsimonious explanation is Harvard knows precisely how Asians cheat and game the system but is too polite and cowardly to admit it.

    Then again, that requires assuming that the bureaucracy is more competent than it looks, which is laughable if you know anything about bureaucracies.

  13. “ …non-Asian upper middle class parents are seeing their kids get left in the dust by the kids of Tiger Mothers who insist upon fanatical years-long test prep.”

    Looking at the graph, it seems like the gap appeared and then widened right around the time that white boys were being told in every public school and in every form of media that they were no longer needed, and and should step aside for women and minorities, and should in fact kill themselves to speed up the process.

    So, maybe it’s not just Tiger Moms.

  14. I see a potential problem with reason number one you cited.
    You wrote it might help really smart White kids from Decatur get into elite universities. The creeps who run our universities don’t want really smart White kids from Decatur to get in. They want smart enough to barely scrape by Black kids from Birmingham. Any reform that they think might help the former to get in will be rejected.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Alfa158

    I think smart white kids from Decatur are better off ditching elite universities in the first place.

    Graduates from large public state schools have just as good of prospects as graduates of Ivy League or quasi Ivy League elite colleges.

    I attended a suburban public high school in the South where virtually nobody test-prepped yet about 30 out of of 300 of us had very good ACT/SAT scores; the one guy from my graduating class who made it to an Ivy League school hasn’t done anything noteworthy with his degree yet. He doesn’t even seem financially stable. He’s also gay, but that’s an unrelated tidbit,

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack P

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Alfa158


    The creeps who run our universities don’t want really smart White kids from Decatur to get in.
     
    Agree. Now that they have the elite mix they want, the task is to seal it hermetically and permanently.
    , @Jack P
    @Alfa158

    Correct. Steve seems to imply that the people in charge have good intentions but are misguided. Of course not. They are vile, corrupt scum who want nothing less than to help a smart, non-connected white boy succeed.

    I do agree the proposed changes are pretty good. But it seems to me the Ivy League would love to get rid of all whites not playing hockey, lacrosse, etc.

  15. I work in software for a FANG company. Two of the smartest guys I know here (white men) went to good but not top universities.

    Are people who train fanatically for the SAT really coming out ahead? It would seem that it would condition your brain in the wrong kind of way.

    • Replies: @No jack London
    @as

    Chuck Schumer had a 1600 SAT.

    Replies: @Erik L

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @as

    Ditto. I work in Tech in California. Some of the best white and hispanic engineers I work with went to Cal States, or a State University outside of California. In the long run, it's your work ethic, thinking skills, organization abilities, etc that matter.

    , @International Jew
    @as

    Top programmers are often guys who weren't math wiz kids and didn't go to great colleges. That's because the skills you need for 98% of software jobs aren't quite what those math wiz kids bring to the table. It's more like: a great memory (to keep straight the thousands of file names, variable names, function names in a large system), tolerance for some slop and awkwardness in the software other people have written, and a willingness to put in long hours. That's not to say a math wiz can't also have those skills, only that for every one that does, there are ten more ordinary guys that happen to have those skills.

    2% of software jobs are more like math — things based on lots of accumulated science and experience that no one can just pull out of his ass, like compilers, AI, numerical and graphical algorithms.

    Replies: @Philip Neal

  16. @SafeNow
    Asians gain about 70 points from prep courses, whites about 20. I read an article attributing this prep-gap mainly to the existence of Asian “neighborhood cram schools.” Cramming would be the opposite of years&years of tigering. Asian self-segregation into neighborhoods really pays off because it is feasible for cram schools to locate there. Blacks also live in neighborhoods, but, um, ….

    Replies: @Alden, @Muggles, @Hi There

    The adaptive tests are incredibly unfair to Whites and Asians. They’re also used in some occupational and professional certification exams.

    Don’t just check black on your application. Click on several wrong answers the first 15 questions and just sail through the test with a high score.

    All this Christian Western European ethics won’t help American Whites. The only way we can survive; just survive is to be as crooked and criminal as blacks and other non Whites.

    None of the UNZ naive writers and readers who discuss testing read mandarin Cantonese Korean and other Asian languages. According to my friend Xaibo aka Bob, the Asian language internet and community newspapers are full of ads for “ absolute guaranteed high score” test prep courses. Aka we will help you cheat.

    Sign up for one of those courses and you will get a very high score. Here’s a few ways.

    1 Give your ID to one of our professional test takers. Sex height needs to more or less match. The woman test takers all have 3 or 4 wigs. Easy matches when everyone has straight black hair dark brown slants eyes white to light tan skin and average 5’7 for men 5’2 for women. There are plenty of professional test takers who are taller than the average Asian.

    The test administrators learned about this and now often require a police fingerprint card along with the application. Easy solution. Professional test taker takes the official dr license of the person they plan to impersonate to have prints taken. The applications are online nowadays and the fingerprint card is supposed to be scanned in.

    2 A tiny plug that goes into the ears. Hair should be worn to cover the ears. . A voice says question 1 the answer is B question 2 the answer is D

    3 There was a big scandal a few years ago in California. Special pencils and eye glasses. The pencils looked like standard # 2 yellow pencils. But put the glasses on and the test takers can see all the question numbers and letters of the correct answers on the pencil. 1-D. 2-C

    I’m sure there’s more. As Kipling said “ here lies the man who tried to beat the east”

    Ignore testing. Just check the black box. Do it when your kids start kindergarten. They won’t even have to apply for jobs. They will get job offers from every government agency and big corporations starting the first month of third year of college.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @thomasblair
    @Alden

    The adaptive part doesn't stop after the first few questions.

    If it does, that's a test design failure.

    Correct gets a harder question, wrong gets an easier one, the whole way through.

    , @Alden
    @Alden

    I never met this professional test taker. But a friend, an RN who worked at Alhambra hospital where the professional test taker works knows her well.

    The test taker has a high school degree. She is a clerk, nothing to do with patient care She is Mexican ethnic born in America. She is mostly Indian. So she has prominent cheekbones straight black hair narrow dark brown eyes. So she can pass for any Asian Philippino Hispanic. Sometimes the woman who hires her has to buy her a wig.

    She charges $1,000 to take the LVN certification test. $2,000 to take the RN test. She has bought and memorized all the questions and answers in the test prep books. She must be intelligent and have excellent memory.

    She doesn’t want to go to nursing school because it’s hard. Her husband makes plenty of money and the kids are small. She’s content with her easy job.

    Conspiracy theory from my cynical self. I believe the SAT ACT got rid of the analogy section because native English speakers did better on it than blacks and Asians. This is America. Anything to disadvantage Whites.

    Replies: @Rob

    , @Wilkey
    @Alden


    All this Christian Western European ethics won’t help American Whites. The only way we can survive; just survive is to be as crooked and criminal as blacks and other non Whites.
     
    While it's tempting to embrace this attitude, the problem is that most of the people whites would be cheating would be other whites. It's an attitude that may work fine when you are a minority, especially a small minority. It doesn't work so well when you are in the majority (even if just barely). You're just shitting your own nest. For an example of how Asian attitudes towards cheating work in Asian countries see China.

    Western countries are nice because whites, for the most part, don't take kindly to cheating.

  17. So then raise the maximum score another standard deviation to 900 on the SAT

  18. One reform that would do little to deal with the issues of upper middle class whites and Jews but would help the working and middle classes would be to introduce Danish-style vocational schools that ensure non-intellectual students are given a proper and valued path in life. It would help the upper middle class somewhat th0ugh by reducing pressure for everyone to go to traditional universities.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_secondary_education_in_Denmark

    Though this would probably also require a major cultural shift in valuing these professionals more.

    Another thing would be to double or triple the number of medical school places. There really isn’t much a dropoff in test scores in terms of the med school rejects, the numbers are kept low deliberately to increase the wages of doctors.

    How they get away with this (The world over too) despite the obvious amount of human death and misery this causes is beyond me. To say nothing of the consequences of masses of third world doctors then going to the West to fill the gaps despite those countries having an even greater shortage and baseline need for their medics.

    • Agree: SafeNow, Almost Missouri
    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @JosephD
    @Altai


    Another thing would be to double or triple the number of medical school places. There really isn’t much a dropoff in test scores in terms of the med school rejects, the numbers are kept low deliberately to increase the wages of doctors.
     
    It isn't med school places so much as the number of residency slots: https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/more-medical-students-than-ever-but-more-residency-slots-needed-to-solve-physician#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20residency%20positions%20has%20increased%20only,medical%20school%20spots%20since%202002%2C%20the%20AAMC%20said.

    You can immigrate to the US with an MD, subspecialty training, and decades of practice. If you don't do a residency here, you can't have a license to practice medicine.

    Medicine is an interesting study in nativist vs best available. The residency selection process is deliberately biased towards US-trained doctors. The test aligns with US med school (more biochemistry) as opposed to many other places (more clinical emphasis). Beyond that, foreign-trained doctors are required to have a higher score at most programs. If you want someone to diagnose the rare prion disease caused by exposure to unobtanium, the biochem background is useful. If you want someone to actually look at you, I've had better luck with foreign-trained docs.
  19. @prosa123
    So it looks as if the BLM crowd is getting involved with the fatal police shooting of a 14-year-old girl in Los Angeles and screaming racism. Their involvement is utterly pointless because: 1) it was a completely unintentional shooting, she was hit by a ricochet while hiding in the dressing room of a Burlington Coat Factory as a cop fired at a lunatic attacking shoppers with a heavy bicycle lock; 2) although the girl was from Chile she looked basically white, so no racial motivations; and 3) even if the cop somehow hated Chileans he wouldn't have known she was one because she was hiding in a dressing room.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @Jack D, @Mike_from_SGV

    I’ve see the video. The cops have been told “active shooter” but the guy in fact has only a bike lock and they never actually see a gun. The cops meanwhile have what looks like an AR-15. There is no richocet – the bullet goes right thru the target and thru the drywall and kills the girl who is hiding in a dressing room behind him. It’s lucky that it didn’t go thru the Dryvit and kill someone in the parking lot too.

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/us/lapd-teen-killed-dressing-room-valentina-orellana-peralta/index.html

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    I think if you just walk into businesses and start swinging away with a bike lock at people, you should be taken out and shot. I can't think of any reason on earth to keep such people alive. We don't need them in the gene pool, and the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for their arrest, prosecution, defense and their food, water and shelter during imprisonment.

    But I agree, not in the store with a freaking AR-15 with a 400+ yd range. Bad policing.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @74v56ruthiyj

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    I’ve seen the video.
     
    This should be good. :)

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife

     

    Why would cops be issued low-powered rifles? For squirrel/rat hunting on break?

    indoors
     
    Because the suspect was indoors.

    on a man armed [only] with a bike lock
     
    That was discovered after he was shot.

    who is maybe 20 ft away from them?

     

    The suspect retreated and almost made it out of sight. If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

    was unnecessary force
     
    No, it immediately stopped the dangerous suspect. If lunatics are allowed to roam about, things like this will happen.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    100% correct. What in the name of God has happened to our country? Cops firing high velocity rifles at low threat targets in indoor spaces. Idiocy from top to bottom. That poor child.

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    The high powered police rifles might be a result of the February 1997 Los Angeles Bank of America shoot out in the same neighborhood as the Burlington store shooting.

    In the N Hollywood BofA shoot out the robbers had so much more ammunition and more powerful weapons than police that the shoot out lasted hours. In fact the police had to borrow some high powered rifles from nearby gun stores.

    After that the LA police acquired heavier weaponry.

  20. 1. Revert to the early 1990s SAT format on a 1600 scale, which tracks with the reported mean IQ scores of each racial group – which means that it is, in fact, the best way to measure scholastic aptitude.

    2. Administer the test for foreign students (looking at you, China) earlier in the year than the test is administered for American students.

    3. Everyone admitted to the test venue takes a cheek swab. Test-takers take cheek swabs at every break of the test, which are matched via unique ID to the test-taker’s answer sheets and both delivered into the custody of the proctors simultaneously.

    • Agree: Muggles
  21. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    These are good ideas, but we need to think a lot bigger. The entire educational system is so wasteful, so time-consuming, so arbitrary. The whole thing needs to be changed dramatically.

    Why are there exactly 13 years between the start of formal education and college? Why does college take four years, regardless of the student’s major? Why does it cost so much? Why the is the trajectory so fixed (i.e. why can’t a sixteen-year-old take a couple of years off to work and then return to school)?

    The system has grown into a sclerotic behemoth even as the internet has made a thousand new paradigms possible.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous, theMann
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anon

    Agree. Any field that requires a licensing exam of some kind could dispense with college degree requirements altogether. Cambridge (and other universities?) even has a system in which applicants can submit independent work to be assessed for a PhD. This is how Aubrey de Grey, the longevity researcher, got his.

    The sclerotic education system is currently benefiting public school teachers and college administrators. Break the public school system and reduce the number of universities substantially. There would be massive economic benefits as well as reducing leftist influence on society.

    Replies: @guest007

  22. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I've see the video. The cops have been told "active shooter" but the guy in fact has only a bike lock and they never actually see a gun. The cops meanwhile have what looks like an AR-15. There is no richocet - the bullet goes right thru the target and thru the drywall and kills the girl who is hiding in a dressing room behind him. It's lucky that it didn't go thru the Dryvit and kill someone in the parking lot too.

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I'm not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/us/lapd-teen-killed-dressing-room-valentina-orellana-peralta/index.html

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG, @Alden

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store - why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there's no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power - shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29mEJFFIvo

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous, @TWS, @Paperback Writer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @res
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Do you have something to back that up? This isn't my area of expertise, but rifle rounds generally have much higher muzzle velocity. For example, see discussion here.

    https://www.quora.com/What-makes-5-56-mm-and-7-62-mm-rifle-rounds-more-powerful-than-9-mm-pistol-rounds-Does-the-bigger-calibre-of-the-pistol-round-make-getting-shot-by-a-pistol-more-damaging

    , @Mike Tre
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    "n terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine. "

    Where did you get this? The muzzle velocity and energy of a 5.56 NATO round is THREE times higher than a 9mm NATO pistol round. The grain of the bullet has much less to do with penetrating power as compared to velocity.

    , @Adept
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    This is sheer nonsense.

    Rifle rounds have:

    - Much higher velocities. You'll never get more than 1400 fps out of 9x19mm FMJ. Your average 5.56x45mm M193 bullet, fired from a 16" AR-15, routinely gets 3200 fps. You can hit 3300 fps out of a 20" barrel.

    - Therefore, much higher kinetic energy. A 115gr. 9mm FMJ cartridge hits with about 500-700J of force. A 55 grain 5.56mm round has about 1300J at muzzle.

    - Much higher sectional density. Those 1300 joules of potential impact energy are focused on an area just 5.56mm wide, whereas the 9mm bullet's 600J are spread out over a larger surface area. Higher sectional density generally means more penetration.

    - More copper and steel, less lead. 5.56mm rounds with steel cores (M855/M855A1) are quite common these days, and they can reliably penetrate hard targets. (The M855/SS109 was designed to defeat steel helmets at 500 yards or thereabouts.) Even M193, which is mostly lead, has a thick copper-zinc jacket. Standard 9x19mm FMJ handgun rounds are mostly soft lead, with a thin copper-zinc jacket, and readily mushroom upon impact.

    - Even soft-cored M193 rounds, likely similar to what that cop was using, are excellent at penetrating hard barriers like car doors. In fact, they over-perform. See:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232093174_Experimental_and_Numerical_Investigations_on_the_Origins_of_the_Bodywork_Effect_K-Effect

    The shooting was inexcusable. The bloodthirsty cop pushed other officers -- armed with less-lethal munitions and a shotgun -- out of the way. "Let me take point with the rifle." That was a terrible mistake.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.
     
    I don't believe that. JHP pistol ammunition is typically used for self-defense because it is not over-penetrating compared to FMJ pistol ammunition and certainly FMJ rifle rounds.

    I can see why they wanted to shoot the guy, but using a rifle indoors when they had no idea what was behind him is grossly negligent.
    , @JMcG
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    This is absolute bulls**t. What exact 5.56 round were those idiots firing? Green tip? That’s constructed for the specific purpose of improved penetration of barriers. I don’t know and neither do you, I suspect. Cops have no business wielding AR15s in almost any situation.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Check out the Box O Truth website. The only round that will not penetrate 4 sheetrock stud walls 10 feet apart is birdshot. 5.56 goes through all 8 sheets just the same as every other centerfire round.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    A- 'Terminal ballistic performance' and 'penetration' are by no means synonymous. B - Barrier penetration at rifle fps velocity(circa 3000 fps) is incomparably greater than typical pistol fps velocity (900-1400 fps depending on caliber, weight,load etc). Soft body armor which will stop point blank pistol shots , provide no protection against 5.56 inside of 100 yards. At the ranges involved in the Burlington incident it may as well be made of cotton jersey.

  23. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I've see the video. The cops have been told "active shooter" but the guy in fact has only a bike lock and they never actually see a gun. The cops meanwhile have what looks like an AR-15. There is no richocet - the bullet goes right thru the target and thru the drywall and kills the girl who is hiding in a dressing room behind him. It's lucky that it didn't go thru the Dryvit and kill someone in the parking lot too.

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I'm not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/us/lapd-teen-killed-dressing-room-valentina-orellana-peralta/index.html

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG, @Alden

    I think if you just walk into businesses and start swinging away with a bike lock at people, you should be taken out and shot. I can’t think of any reason on earth to keep such people alive. We don’t need them in the gene pool, and the taxpayers shouldn’t have to pay for their arrest, prosecution, defense and their food, water and shelter during imprisonment.

    But I agree, not in the store with a freaking AR-15 with a 400+ yd range. Bad policing.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The cop with the rifle was insistent on slowing down the other cops so he could get up front to take the shot. They seemed kind of confused by the way he was taking charge, but went with it.

    , @74v56ruthiyj
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I hate seeing those AR-15s in the cops hands. Give them 30-30s. 100 yard effective range and a 170 grain bullet that will put a perp down right now, even without a hit center of mass. And the lever action will keep them from spray-and-pray tactics.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

  24. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    I think if you just walk into businesses and start swinging away with a bike lock at people, you should be taken out and shot. I can't think of any reason on earth to keep such people alive. We don't need them in the gene pool, and the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for their arrest, prosecution, defense and their food, water and shelter during imprisonment.

    But I agree, not in the store with a freaking AR-15 with a 400+ yd range. Bad policing.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @74v56ruthiyj

    The cop with the rifle was insistent on slowing down the other cops so he could get up front to take the shot. They seemed kind of confused by the way he was taking charge, but went with it.

  25. From the ninth grade (Mr. Paganin’s class at Mendon HS):

    ax+b =0

    x= -b/a

  26. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, an apparent illegal alien went full apeshit at a dept store, and while the police deported him to his Maker, a stray bullet struck and killed another illegal alien teen trying on coats in a dressing room.

    Won’t take long for the Los Angeles Illegal Alien Industrial Complex to equip “protesters” to make a big fuss for local news cameras to shake the city down for a few million…

  27. @Coemgen
    Yes to bringing back verbal analogies.

    and, if people are getting, "perfect scores," there is a problem with the tests' construction. There should be enough questions on a test, with no correct answer, to confound anyone from getting a perfect score (except by random chance).

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich, @Hi There

    What is the point of a question with no correct answer? That’s the exact opposite of the g-loaded test he wants. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the structure of an intelligence test if intelligent people can score 100%. But filling it with questions designed to prevent perfect scores sabotages the predictive value. How would a college know the difference between a smart kid who got all 90 answerable questions correct, but all 10 bullshit ones wrong, versus the less-smart but luckier one who got 80 of 90 answers correct and guessed right on all 10 bullshit questions? Or, if you prefer a more statistically probable answer, the kid who gets 87 of 90 answerable questions and guesses right 3 times?

    Also, what happened in 2013-2015 to cause SAT scores to fall so sharply? It can’t be just the Furgeson Effect, scores dropped more for whites and Asians than blacks. Also, Amerindian scores took a hell of a dive.
    Were mothers simply less careful about carrying around their infants in 1996 and 1997 than in 1995 and 1998?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    I’m sure you can think of good reasons for putting questions on a test that have no correct answers.

    Anyhow, a correct answer for this type of question is determined by how high performing testers answer the question. The answer most often guessed by high performing testers is the correct answer.

    Personally, I’d prefer marking these type of questions wrong for all testers. Let the grade-grubbers heads explode.

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich

  28. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jack D

    I think if you just walk into businesses and start swinging away with a bike lock at people, you should be taken out and shot. I can't think of any reason on earth to keep such people alive. We don't need them in the gene pool, and the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for their arrest, prosecution, defense and their food, water and shelter during imprisonment.

    But I agree, not in the store with a freaking AR-15 with a 400+ yd range. Bad policing.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @74v56ruthiyj

    I hate seeing those AR-15s in the cops hands. Give them 30-30s. 100 yard effective range and a 170 grain bullet that will put a perp down right now, even without a hit center of mass. And the lever action will keep them from spray-and-pray tactics.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @74v56ruthiyj

    A .30-30 is more likely to over penetrate a target than a .223.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

  29. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Ditching the tests solves both the black and the asian problem. A two fer. And just because it solves Harvard’s problems, it’s not going to solve everyones problem. All the g stuff is highly correlated, so you only need one optional indicator.
    Blacks also make up the sports teams at Ivys, so they love their blacks. The Calvin Hill types, of course. The Asian’s don’t really belong, so f…ck em.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Blacks also make up the sports teams at Ivys, so they love their blacks

    The Ivy League has a huge number of obscure sports with mostly white athletes. They like giving a break in admissions to national quality squash players or swimmers or whatever because these kids tend to be winners and loyalists who go on to make a lot of money and give some of it to their alma maters.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @guest007
    @anon

    here is a link to the Harvard football team form 2014. Still more white than black.

    https://gocrimson.com/news/2014/8/26/8_26_2014_1212

    Here is the 2022 baseball team at Harvard.

    https://gocrimson.com/sports/baseball/roster?path=baseball

    with one black and one Asian.

    There is no need to guess when the data in online.

  30. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power – shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power – shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:
     
    This depends on the proximity of the person he was assaulting. It's possible they were told there was an active shooter situation, so they came in loaded for someone with lots of ammo on him. Assuming bike lock guy was swinging away at a civilian, it would have been reasonable to shoot him right away, since it takes a split second to seriously injure or kill someone with what is basically an elongated D-shaped iron bar.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun.
     
    He randomly beating bloody and/or robbing women with a bike lock!

    Conclusion: Go fuck yourself.
    , @TWS
    @Jack D

    You think a 5.56 is a "high power rifle" everything else you write can be disregarded.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need
     
    Did you and I see the same video? The store was empty when the officers came. (Except for the poor young woman the changing room.) I don't like cops with high-powered rifles patrolling either, but I am guessing they thought the suspect was similarly armed because there are a lot of well-armed maniacs about nowadays. It's a horrible situation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D

    https://youtu.be/EW_qqAPiv5k?t=47


    There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun.
     
    You’re reasoning after the fact, counselor.

    … why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?
     
    I believe those are what are called rhetorical questions.

    shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2
     
    Cops in America don’t use birdshot. Also, you’re erroneously comparing home defense with a far more dynamic scene with potential ranges beyond a ‘typical’ stranger-danger home invasion CQB encounter.
  31. I’m unclear on the effectiveness of SAT/ACT test prep. Steve seems to be suggesting it is effective, but I thought research indicated a very modest average improvement from Kaplan Test Prep et al.

  32. “E.g., this white kid in Decatur…”

    Yeah, they aren’t interested in that kid. Well, they aren’t interested in *helping* that kid. He’s an enemy.

    In fact, it seems kind of naive to think that anybody actually wants to improve college admissions. The people who control college admissions have made it clear that they believe in who/whom and power and nothing else.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Nathan

    Yeah, the USA isn’t China or France. We were never particularly concerned with selecting an intellectual elite to run our country.

    As you say, to Harvard a kid like that is a threat rather than an asset, unless he wants to become gay or trans. They want lacrosse players to give them money and a diverse group of leaders so the next black leader goes to Harvard, not Howard.

    We had a brief shift after Sputnik, and maybe it will happen again when the Chinese use genetic engineering to breed super intelligent scientists who make us technically inferior to a degree even average people notice. But by that point, given how long it would take to do that, it would probably be too late for us to do much about it.

  33. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store - why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there's no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power - shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29mEJFFIvo

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous, @TWS, @Paperback Writer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power – shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    This depends on the proximity of the person he was assaulting. It’s possible they were told there was an active shooter situation, so they came in loaded for someone with lots of ammo on him. Assuming bike lock guy was swinging away at a civilian, it would have been reasonable to shoot him right away, since it takes a split second to seriously injure or kill someone with what is basically an elongated D-shaped iron bar.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Johann Ricke

    The guy doing the shooting was standing every close to a civilian who had been beaten bloody with the bike lock.

    Does anyone really want a police force that will wait outside until the guy decides to leave?

    Replies: @Alden

  34. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I've see the video. The cops have been told "active shooter" but the guy in fact has only a bike lock and they never actually see a gun. The cops meanwhile have what looks like an AR-15. There is no richocet - the bullet goes right thru the target and thru the drywall and kills the girl who is hiding in a dressing room behind him. It's lucky that it didn't go thru the Dryvit and kill someone in the parking lot too.

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I'm not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/us/lapd-teen-killed-dressing-room-valentina-orellana-peralta/index.html

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG, @Alden

    I’ve seen the video.

    This should be good. 🙂

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife

    Why would cops be issued low-powered rifles? For squirrel/rat hunting on break?

    indoors

    Because the suspect was indoors.

    on a man armed [only] with a bike lock

    That was discovered after he was shot.

    who is maybe 20 ft away from them?

    The suspect retreated and almost made it out of sight. If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

    was unnecessary force

    No, it immediately stopped the dangerous suspect. If lunatics are allowed to roam about, things like this will happen.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why do they need a rifle at all? Sure shooting people with a rifle at close range will stop 10 out of 5 dangerous suspects - that's 200% effective. Not counting the innocent bystanders you kill.

    You really think this is good police work? What if that was your daughter? We'll see how many millions that girl's family gets. There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You'll see the # of bad shoots go way down.

    Replies: @res, @Wilkey

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

     

    Where did you read that? I'm looking around & can't find anything.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That appears to be the fog of war.

    https://nypost.com/2021/12/27/shocking-lapvideo-shows-burlington-store-shot-by-stray-bullet/


    The video also included 911 calls made by a Burlington employee who told emergency dispatchers that a man was inside the store attacking customers. As the employee was providing information to the dispatcher, she also tried to warn customers to evacuate the building.

    The employee also told the dispatcher that the suspect did not have a knife or a gun, but he had a bicycle lock.
     

    I wonder why she was still in the dressing room. Hadn't the store been cleared of customers?
  35. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    Do you have something to back that up? This isn’t my area of expertise, but rifle rounds generally have much higher muzzle velocity. For example, see discussion here.

    https://www.quora.com/What-makes-5-56-mm-and-7-62-mm-rifle-rounds-more-powerful-than-9-mm-pistol-rounds-Does-the-bigger-calibre-of-the-pistol-round-make-getting-shot-by-a-pistol-more-damaging

  36. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store - why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there's no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power - shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29mEJFFIvo

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous, @TWS, @Paperback Writer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun.

    He randomly beating bloody and/or robbing women with a bike lock!

    Conclusion: Go fuck yourself.

  37. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store - why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there's no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power - shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29mEJFFIvo

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous, @TWS, @Paperback Writer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You think a 5.56 is a “high power rifle” everything else you write can be disregarded.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @TWS

    You're being holier than the Pope. In the High Power Rifle shooting sport, one of the NRA sanctioned categories is called Service Rifle which includes AR-15's in 5.56/ .223. Are you saying the NRA is wrong? Would it have been better if the cop used an elephant gun?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle#Service_Rifle

    The people who pull this "I'm a weapons expert and you know nothing about guns and should just shut up" are full of beans.

    1st of all, half the time, they don't know what they are talking about to begin with (Alec claiming that a pistol has more penetrating power than a rifle).

    2nd, you don't need detailed technical knowledge about guns to understand that rifles should not be the weapon of choice for close range police work against a man armed only with a bike lock. The results in this case speak for themselves and so will the jury award/settlement.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Adept, @TWS

  38. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    the pre 1995 SAT was a “pure IQ test” mein steve. the new one may be too.

    1. there is no way to distinguish them statistically, psychometrically speaking. there are as many IQs as there are IQ tests. if a test correlates well enough with those in the club, it’s in the club.

    2. soi-disant IQ tests are a scam. they’re normed on ca. 2500 people (selected at random) vs the millions who answer experimental questions on the SAT and other tests (selected already for their, as the chinese say, “abirity”.)

    2. asians aren’t scoring higher because muh test prep. test prep doesn’t work.

    3. there is no solution in a multi-ethnic society, especially one where immigrants of some ethnies have been hyper selected from a population of a billion+.

    4. the chinese in spain are the worst performing (academically) of all ethnic groups in spain.

  39. @anon
    Ditching the tests solves both the black and the asian problem. A two fer. And just because it solves Harvard's problems, it's not going to solve everyones problem. All the g stuff is highly correlated, so you only need one optional indicator.
    Blacks also make up the sports teams at Ivys, so they love their blacks. The Calvin Hill types, of course. The Asian's don't really belong, so f...ck em.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest007

    Blacks also make up the sports teams at Ivys, so they love their blacks

    The Ivy League has a huge number of obscure sports with mostly white athletes. They like giving a break in admissions to national quality squash players or swimmers or whatever because these kids tend to be winners and loyalists who go on to make a lot of money and give some of it to their alma maters.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    Harvard fields more varsity sports teams than any college in America. White crew oarsmen, Pakistani squash stars, and black hoopsters. Maybe they'll get into esports in a big way to get some Asian "athletes".

  40. @as
    I work in software for a FANG company. Two of the smartest guys I know here (white men) went to good but not top universities.

    Are people who train fanatically for the SAT really coming out ahead? It would seem that it would condition your brain in the wrong kind of way.

    Replies: @No jack London, @Mike_from_SGV, @International Jew

    Chuck Schumer had a 1600 SAT.

    • Replies: @Erik L
    @No jack London

    Chuck Schumer taught test prep and took it a lot of times and got a 1600 probably once

  41. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    “n terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine. ”

    Where did you get this? The muzzle velocity and energy of a 5.56 NATO round is THREE times higher than a 9mm NATO pistol round. The grain of the bullet has much less to do with penetrating power as compared to velocity.

  42. also your idea that analogies are more “g-loaded”…has this been shown for the population of test takers?

    a test isn’t very g-loaded or not per se.

    spearman’s law of diminishing returns is an example. when the population changes, the g-loading changes.

  43. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    This is sheer nonsense.

    Rifle rounds have:

    – Much higher velocities. You’ll never get more than 1400 fps out of 9x19mm FMJ. Your average 5.56x45mm M193 bullet, fired from a 16″ AR-15, routinely gets 3200 fps. You can hit 3300 fps out of a 20″ barrel.

    – Therefore, much higher kinetic energy. A 115gr. 9mm FMJ cartridge hits with about 500-700J of force. A 55 grain 5.56mm round has about 1300J at muzzle.

    – Much higher sectional density. Those 1300 joules of potential impact energy are focused on an area just 5.56mm wide, whereas the 9mm bullet’s 600J are spread out over a larger surface area. Higher sectional density generally means more penetration.

    – More copper and steel, less lead. 5.56mm rounds with steel cores (M855/M855A1) are quite common these days, and they can reliably penetrate hard targets. (The M855/SS109 was designed to defeat steel helmets at 500 yards or thereabouts.) Even M193, which is mostly lead, has a thick copper-zinc jacket. Standard 9x19mm FMJ handgun rounds are mostly soft lead, with a thin copper-zinc jacket, and readily mushroom upon impact.

    – Even soft-cored M193 rounds, likely similar to what that cop was using, are excellent at penetrating hard barriers like car doors. In fact, they over-perform. See:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232093174_Experimental_and_Numerical_Investigations_on_the_Origins_of_the_Bodywork_Effect_K-Effect

    The shooting was inexcusable. The bloodthirsty cop pushed other officers — armed with less-lethal munitions and a shotgun — out of the way. “Let me take point with the rifle.” That was a terrible mistake.

    • Agree: Jack D
  44. I love your plan, Steve. I don’t know if I would change a thing.

    Unfortunately, it will never happen.

    Affluent people want a system that can be gamed. In a true meritocracy, a lot of their kids would be second best.

  45. Anon[313] • Disclaimer says:

    College should be junked; not reformed.

    Furthermore, college cannot be reformed. It is beyond reform.

    It would be anti-intellectual to preserve this pseudointellectualism.

    An alternate proposal: med schools should start at 18 years of age, teach only topics relevant to that field (intro bio to advanced praticums) and eschew all irrelevant topics. No english lit; no compsci; no buffet of knowledge.

  46. @AnotherDad
    These are excellent suggestions Steve.

    That the College Board hasn't made the SAT adaptive already--like the military's AFQT/ASVAB--is a joke. (Kind of reminds me of Pfizer/Moderna still peddling this shot aimed at the Fauci original from two years ago.) Colleges are really pathetic in not having already demanded better.

    ~~

    But the big fix is we simply do not need 50% of American kids trotting off to "college" for "education" on the Fordist model. The Internet exists now.

    Make competency tests for knowledge/skill routine and widely available. Let kids pick up the skills necessary for employment any way they want. And save "college" for those really interested in an academic education.

    And in the process we save families money, give motivated kids a clear path forward even down in HS, get young adults ready for adult/family life earlier, clean out nests of toxic indoctrination and turf out a bunch of parasites--win, win, win, win, win.

    Replies: @guest007

    The idea that college will go away for most is a dream. When looking through a ton of linkedin pages and online resumes, people who do the hiring will still be looking for college degrees, advanced degrees, and then credentials.

  47. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store - why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there's no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power - shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29mEJFFIvo

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous, @TWS, @Paperback Writer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need

    Did you and I see the same video? The store was empty when the officers came. (Except for the poor young woman the changing room.) I don’t like cops with high-powered rifles patrolling either, but I am guessing they thought the suspect was similarly armed because there are a lot of well-armed maniacs about nowadays. It’s a horrible situation.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Shouldn't you be required to like actually SEE a gun before you shoot someone who is standing 20 feet away from you and not moving towards you? Was the guy going to throw the bike lock at them?

    So the store was completely empty and this girl just had the amazing bad luck to be the only person in the store and yet directly in the line of fire? How do you know that there weren't other customers hiding in the dressing rooms?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Paperback Writer

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Paperback Writer


    Did you and I see the same video? The store was empty when the officers came.
     
    The thing about walls is that there is often something on the other side.

    If an armed "civilian" shot a guy in a store in these same circumstances and killed an innocent child who was behind a wall, the police would arrest him, and the local DA would prosecute him.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  48. anon[789] • Disclaimer says:

    the gpa is not a measure of how “hard working” one is. it is a measure of how obedient one is and how much one likes school and his teachers, and how much his parents ride him. besides, who uses “hard working” in an unironic sense, as if it weren’t merely an ideological shibboleth?

    best thing is, like almost the entire rest of the world does, is get rid of the gpa. go to all tests. one general, perhaps. the rest, subject specific.

    afaik only canada and some scandi countries even use gpa, “internal assessment”. this is one reason the american elite is so UN-impressive intellectually, but so impressive in ideological conformity, pushiness, and psychopathy.

    and it’s why the US is chock-a-block in students from other countries who couldn’t pass the tests in their home country.

  49. @anon
    Ditching the tests solves both the black and the asian problem. A two fer. And just because it solves Harvard's problems, it's not going to solve everyones problem. All the g stuff is highly correlated, so you only need one optional indicator.
    Blacks also make up the sports teams at Ivys, so they love their blacks. The Calvin Hill types, of course. The Asian's don't really belong, so f...ck em.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest007

    here is a link to the Harvard football team form 2014. Still more white than black.

    https://gocrimson.com/news/2014/8/26/8_26_2014_1212

    Here is the 2022 baseball team at Harvard.

    https://gocrimson.com/sports/baseball/roster?path=baseball

    with one black and one Asian.

    There is no need to guess when the data in online.

  50. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power – shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:
     
    This depends on the proximity of the person he was assaulting. It's possible they were told there was an active shooter situation, so they came in loaded for someone with lots of ammo on him. Assuming bike lock guy was swinging away at a civilian, it would have been reasonable to shoot him right away, since it takes a split second to seriously injure or kill someone with what is basically an elongated D-shaped iron bar.

    Replies: @guest007

    The guy doing the shooting was standing every close to a civilian who had been beaten bloody with the bike lock.

    Does anyone really want a police force that will wait outside until the guy decides to leave?

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Alden
    @guest007

    That happened in the Marjorie Stoneman high school shooting in Florida. Cops stayed outside.

  51. @Anon
    These are good ideas, but we need to think a lot bigger. The entire educational system is so wasteful, so time-consuming, so arbitrary. The whole thing needs to be changed dramatically.

    Why are there exactly 13 years between the start of formal education and college? Why does college take four years, regardless of the student's major? Why does it cost so much? Why the is the trajectory so fixed (i.e. why can't a sixteen-year-old take a couple of years off to work and then return to school)?

    The system has grown into a sclerotic behemoth even as the internet has made a thousand new paradigms possible.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Agree. Any field that requires a licensing exam of some kind could dispense with college degree requirements altogether. Cambridge (and other universities?) even has a system in which applicants can submit independent work to be assessed for a PhD. This is how Aubrey de Grey, the longevity researcher, got his.

    The sclerotic education system is currently benefiting public school teachers and college administrators. Break the public school system and reduce the number of universities substantially. There would be massive economic benefits as well as reducing leftist influence on society.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Chrisnonymous

    But di de Grey still have to go through oral exams before the dissertation defense?

  52. • Replies: @Jack P
    @Mike Tre

    So funny. What happened to Caliendo, haven't heard much from him lately.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  53. @Bardon Kaldian
    Do whatever you can, but evidently, highly prestigious US institutions will take a nosedive.

    Stereotypes are mostly correct; not 100%, but- mostly.

    Blacks are not cut out for higher learning; Asians are, at best, zombie geniuses lacking a truly original creative spirit.

    And highly acclaimed universities must follow the destiny of a society at large ...

    Replies: @Anon

    The meaning of genius is creator, so your description of Asians is a contradiction in terms.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anon

    There are geniuses of creation, and there are geniuses of modifying imitation; there are people who create something truly new, and the ones that upgrade, for the better, the existing idea/product.

    Take for instance the history of stealth technology.

  54. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need
     
    Did you and I see the same video? The store was empty when the officers came. (Except for the poor young woman the changing room.) I don't like cops with high-powered rifles patrolling either, but I am guessing they thought the suspect was similarly armed because there are a lot of well-armed maniacs about nowadays. It's a horrible situation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

    Shouldn’t you be required to like actually SEE a gun before you shoot someone who is standing 20 feet away from you and not moving towards you? Was the guy going to throw the bike lock at them?

    So the store was completely empty and this girl just had the amazing bad luck to be the only person in the store and yet directly in the line of fire? How do you know that there weren’t other customers hiding in the dressing rooms?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Jack D

    Just imagine he was a Palestinian kid who was about to throw a stone.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Man, move those goalposts.

    This is what I was responding to:


    This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need?
     
    You made it sound as though the cops barged into a "crowded retail store" guns blazing. Ludicrous.

    "So the store was completely empty and this girl just had the amazing bad luck to be the only person in the store and yet directly in the line of fire?"
     
    Yes. The store was apparently empty. Until I learn otherwise, I'll say that the cops were told that the store had been completely emptied out. What happened wasn't their fault. Not at all.

    Shouldn’t you be required to like actually SEE a gun before you shoot someone who is standing 20 feet away from you and not moving towards you?
     
    I don't know what police procedures are. Anybody here want to chime in?

    Was the guy going to throw the bike lock at them?

     

    He was nuts. Are you defending him & his behavior? Should a cop have to wait to find out? If he had just killed the perp, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Goalposts. Wow.
  55. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    I’ve seen the video.
     
    This should be good. :)

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife

     

    Why would cops be issued low-powered rifles? For squirrel/rat hunting on break?

    indoors
     
    Because the suspect was indoors.

    on a man armed [only] with a bike lock
     
    That was discovered after he was shot.

    who is maybe 20 ft away from them?

     

    The suspect retreated and almost made it out of sight. If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

    was unnecessary force
     
    No, it immediately stopped the dangerous suspect. If lunatics are allowed to roam about, things like this will happen.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    Why do they need a rifle at all? Sure shooting people with a rifle at close range will stop 10 out of 5 dangerous suspects – that’s 200% effective. Not counting the innocent bystanders you kill.

    You really think this is good police work? What if that was your daughter? We’ll see how many millions that girl’s family gets. There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You’ll see the # of bad shoots go way down.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D


    We’ll see how many millions that girl’s family gets. There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You’ll see the # of bad shoots go way down.
     
    This.
    , @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You’ll see the # of bad shoots go way down.
     
    And the number of violent crimes go way, way up.

    Police work is a dangerous profession, and comes with risks. Punishing too harshly officers who take reasonable risks has severe consequences.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

  56. @Alden
    @SafeNow

    The adaptive tests are incredibly unfair to Whites and Asians. They’re also used in some occupational and professional certification exams.

    Don’t just check black on your application. Click on several wrong answers the first 15 questions and just sail through the test with a high score.

    All this Christian Western European ethics won’t help American Whites. The only way we can survive; just survive is to be as crooked and criminal as blacks and other non Whites.

    None of the UNZ naive writers and readers who discuss testing read mandarin Cantonese Korean and other Asian languages. According to my friend Xaibo aka Bob, the Asian language internet and community newspapers are full of ads for “ absolute guaranteed high score” test prep courses. Aka we will help you cheat.

    Sign up for one of those courses and you will get a very high score. Here’s a few ways.

    1 Give your ID to one of our professional test takers. Sex height needs to more or less match. The woman test takers all have 3 or 4 wigs. Easy matches when everyone has straight black hair dark brown slants eyes white to light tan skin and average 5’7 for men 5’2 for women. There are plenty of professional test takers who are taller than the average Asian.

    The test administrators learned about this and now often require a police fingerprint card along with the application. Easy solution. Professional test taker takes the official dr license of the person they plan to impersonate to have prints taken. The applications are online nowadays and the fingerprint card is supposed to be scanned in.

    2 A tiny plug that goes into the ears. Hair should be worn to cover the ears. . A voice says question 1 the answer is B question 2 the answer is D

    3 There was a big scandal a few years ago in California. Special pencils and eye glasses. The pencils looked like standard # 2 yellow pencils. But put the glasses on and the test takers can see all the question numbers and letters of the correct answers on the pencil. 1-D. 2-C

    I’m sure there’s more. As Kipling said “ here lies the man who tried to beat the east”

    Ignore testing. Just check the black box. Do it when your kids start kindergarten. They won’t even have to apply for jobs. They will get job offers from every government agency and big corporations starting the first month of third year of college.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Alden, @Wilkey

    The adaptive part doesn’t stop after the first few questions.

    If it does, that’s a test design failure.

    Correct gets a harder question, wrong gets an easier one, the whole way through.

  57. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    I don’t believe that. JHP pistol ammunition is typically used for self-defense because it is not over-penetrating compared to FMJ pistol ammunition and certainly FMJ rifle rounds.

    I can see why they wanted to shoot the guy, but using a rifle indoors when they had no idea what was behind him is grossly negligent.

  58. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Shouldn't you be required to like actually SEE a gun before you shoot someone who is standing 20 feet away from you and not moving towards you? Was the guy going to throw the bike lock at them?

    So the store was completely empty and this girl just had the amazing bad luck to be the only person in the store and yet directly in the line of fire? How do you know that there weren't other customers hiding in the dressing rooms?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Paperback Writer

    Just imagine he was a Palestinian kid who was about to throw a stone.

  59. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need
     
    Did you and I see the same video? The store was empty when the officers came. (Except for the poor young woman the changing room.) I don't like cops with high-powered rifles patrolling either, but I am guessing they thought the suspect was similarly armed because there are a lot of well-armed maniacs about nowadays. It's a horrible situation.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

    Did you and I see the same video? The store was empty when the officers came.

    The thing about walls is that there is often something on the other side.

    If an armed “civilian” shot a guy in a store in these same circumstances and killed an innocent child who was behind a wall, the police would arrest him, and the local DA would prosecute him.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Mr. Anon

    We don't know what happened. A few news reports prove nothing. It appears that the store was cleared out, the cops in good faith believed that it was empty, and there was no intent on their side to harm anyone. But I don't know. Let's wait for more facts.

    Cops are civil servants empowered by the state to do a lot of things that "civilians" cannot.

    The narrative of cops gone wild is ridiculous. We've been through this with Derek Chauvin - the WaPo database shows very few such incidents.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  60. College placement test administrators should give no clue as to the test format. That will reduce prep/gaming. For example, make 50% of the test — surprise! — an essay about ornithology, or maybe ask takers to endure a marathon dance, like in They Shoot Horses.

    I’m sympathetic to AD’s point about separate institutions. Haa’vud et. al should institute \$2M+ buy-ins, as though they were selling seats on the NYSE.

    If we can’t altogether abolish State U’s, then we should shrink them down to their original, in-state tuition-free, applied science teaching mission. The top ~3% of a state’s young people would be qualified for admission. If necessary, those who can’t make the grade in the first year get bumped.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Abolish_public_education

    The top 3% are all Asian. I hope you're emotionally prepared for that.

    If there's testing involved, the Asians will win every time. Believe me, they know all about this and are willing to go to great lengths to keep the reputation up.

    Honestly the ivies should just go straight for a racial quota in their admissions (this is already happening, of course) and get the best of this or that group. Trying to be fair in this process is a fool's errand. Dropping the SAT is a pretty smart move on their part.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @res

  61. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I've see the video. The cops have been told "active shooter" but the guy in fact has only a bike lock and they never actually see a gun. The cops meanwhile have what looks like an AR-15. There is no richocet - the bullet goes right thru the target and thru the drywall and kills the girl who is hiding in a dressing room behind him. It's lucky that it didn't go thru the Dryvit and kill someone in the parking lot too.

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I'm not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/us/lapd-teen-killed-dressing-room-valentina-orellana-peralta/index.html

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG, @Alden

    100% correct. What in the name of God has happened to our country? Cops firing high velocity rifles at low threat targets in indoor spaces. Idiocy from top to bottom. That poor child.

  62. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    This is absolute bulls**t. What exact 5.56 round were those idiots firing? Green tip? That’s constructed for the specific purpose of improved penetration of barriers. I don’t know and neither do you, I suspect. Cops have no business wielding AR15s in almost any situation.

  63. @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Coemgen

    What is the point of a question with no correct answer? That's the exact opposite of the g-loaded test he wants. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the structure of an intelligence test if intelligent people can score 100%. But filling it with questions designed to prevent perfect scores sabotages the predictive value. How would a college know the difference between a smart kid who got all 90 answerable questions correct, but all 10 bullshit ones wrong, versus the less-smart but luckier one who got 80 of 90 answers correct and guessed right on all 10 bullshit questions? Or, if you prefer a more statistically probable answer, the kid who gets 87 of 90 answerable questions and guesses right 3 times?

    Also, what happened in 2013-2015 to cause SAT scores to fall so sharply? It can't be just the Furgeson Effect, scores dropped more for whites and Asians than blacks. Also, Amerindian scores took a hell of a dive.
    Were mothers simply less careful about carrying around their infants in 1996 and 1997 than in 1995 and 1998?

    Replies: @Coemgen

    I’m sure you can think of good reasons for putting questions on a test that have no correct answers.

    Anyhow, a correct answer for this type of question is determined by how high performing testers answer the question. The answer most often guessed by high performing testers is the correct answer.

    Personally, I’d prefer marking these type of questions wrong for all testers. Let the grade-grubbers heads explode.

    • Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Coemgen

    I cannot think of a single logical reason for including non-useful questions on a test if you are seeking to maximize the predictive value. And your proposed "answer" is just as dumb as your original idea. How will the test takers identify the "correct" wrong answer? If they prefer C because of its pleasing, round shape, then C becomes the correct answer? Perhaps high-achievers prefer A, because it has a pyramidal shape indicative of the social hierarchy they will some day come to dominate, and it is the grade to which they (and their parents) aspire. Thus, A trumps C.
    Letting the most popular bad answer win is a decent idea for running a committee, if you seek to produce an unproductive committee that fails frequently.
    Perhaps you want to introduce high school stand-outs to the reality of the bureaucracy into which they will someday be subsumed?

    Seriously though, if your best answer is to make a 800 (or 900 on Steve's extended scale) impossible to just to tweak the noses of parents who want to see little Jimmy or Susie (or Chen) score a perfect 800, how long do you think it will take the "grade-grubbers) to realize that 890 is the highest possible score? And then they simply seek a 890. And college admissions know that there is no functional difference between a score of 890 (answered every answerable questions, and skipped your cleverly designed bullshit), and an 891 (guessed randomly on 6 and got 2 correct) and a perfect 900 (shares the mass delusion of the majority of high-scoring individuals)
    What's the cut-off for that, anyway? If everyone (say 100 folks) with an 880 or better answered C, but the 235 folks who scored between an 840 and an 880 preferred the pyramidal A, who wins? The smaller, marginally smarter group? Or the significantly larger, but not-so-clever group? Does it require 2 votes at a lower score to beat 1 vote at a higher score? Should a score of 879 be weighted equally to an 880, or equally to an 840? It's hardly fair to tell Jimmy that his 879 is only equal to Susie's 840, and not Chen's 880, now, is it?

  64. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Shouldn't you be required to like actually SEE a gun before you shoot someone who is standing 20 feet away from you and not moving towards you? Was the guy going to throw the bike lock at them?

    So the store was completely empty and this girl just had the amazing bad luck to be the only person in the store and yet directly in the line of fire? How do you know that there weren't other customers hiding in the dressing rooms?

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Paperback Writer

    Man, move those goalposts.

    This is what I was responding to:

    This is a crowded retail store – why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need?

    You made it sound as though the cops barged into a “crowded retail store” guns blazing. Ludicrous.

    “So the store was completely empty and this girl just had the amazing bad luck to be the only person in the store and yet directly in the line of fire?”

    Yes. The store was apparently empty. Until I learn otherwise, I’ll say that the cops were told that the store had been completely emptied out. What happened wasn’t their fault. Not at all.

    Shouldn’t you be required to like actually SEE a gun before you shoot someone who is standing 20 feet away from you and not moving towards you?

    I don’t know what police procedures are. Anybody here want to chime in?

    Was the guy going to throw the bike lock at them?

    He was nuts. Are you defending him & his behavior? Should a cop have to wait to find out? If he had just killed the perp, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Goalposts. Wow.

  65. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    I’ve seen the video.
     
    This should be good. :)

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife

     

    Why would cops be issued low-powered rifles? For squirrel/rat hunting on break?

    indoors
     
    Because the suspect was indoors.

    on a man armed [only] with a bike lock
     
    That was discovered after he was shot.

    who is maybe 20 ft away from them?

     

    The suspect retreated and almost made it out of sight. If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

    was unnecessary force
     
    No, it immediately stopped the dangerous suspect. If lunatics are allowed to roam about, things like this will happen.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

    Where did you read that? I’m looking around & can’t find anything.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Paperback Writer

    Watch the video I posted here:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/how-to-reform-rather-than-junk-college-admissions-testing/#comment-5087824

  66. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    1. There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun. This is a crowded retail store - why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there's no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    2. They could have used something with even less penetrating power - shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C29mEJFFIvo

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anonymous, @TWS, @Paperback Writer, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    There was no need to shoot the guy to begin with. He had not attacked them with his bike lock and had no gun.

    You’re reasoning after the fact, counselor.

    … why are they shooting and killing bystanders when there’s no immediate need? Who are they protecting and serving by killing the store customers?

    I believe those are what are called rhetorical questions.

    shotgun perhaps, loaded with #7- 1/2

    Cops in America don’t use birdshot. Also, you’re erroneously comparing home defense with a far more dynamic scene with potential ranges beyond a ‘typical’ stranger-danger home invasion CQB encounter.

  67. @Paperback Writer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

     

    Where did you read that? I'm looking around & can't find anything.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  68. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    Check out the Box O Truth website. The only round that will not penetrate 4 sheetrock stud walls 10 feet apart is birdshot. 5.56 goes through all 8 sheets just the same as every other centerfire round.

  69. This type of thinking still has a sense of tinkering around the edges, and also assumes that the only variable is admission to an elite school (Harvard, etc.), after which field of study, GPA, etc. don’t matter.

    What about GPA variance? What about the huge variance in rigor between Electrical Engineering vs. Woke Studies? What about other knobs that allow the best students to accelerate past others, such as BS/MS programs, where both degrees are granted in 4.5 or 5 years?

    Allowing the top students to accelerate to Grad School 1.5 or even 2 years sooner is a far more precise dial via which to manage the situation.

    non-Asian upper middle class parents are seeing their kids get left in the dust by the kids of Tiger Mothers who insist upon fanatical years-long test prep.

    Then why are the same elites allowing Asian immigration to accelerate? As Asian numbers rise, this will be a bigger and bigger challenge to these non-Asian elites, and keeping them out of the top five or six universities will not make the ‘problem’ go away. Built into the latter strategy is an assumption that keeping them out of Harvard, Yale, etc. can keep the life trajectories of these Asians lower forever, even as their numbers grow. The same Asians also apply to the same universities for Grad School too. Keeping an Asian kid out of Harvard undergrad so that he goes to Cornell or Northwestern just means he later applies to Harvard Business School or Harvard Med School anyway. What then?

    These elites should be more concerned with turning off the spigot at the source.

  70. Anonymous[556] • Disclaimer says:

    For example, analogies were dumped from the SAT about 17 years ago For Reasons involving The Gap. But analogies are highly g-loaded and perhaps tougher to massively test prep for. So instead of helping blacks narrow the gap, getting rid of analogies helped Asians pull away.

    So, shorten the SAT from multiple hours of stuff that can be massively test-prepped to maybe an hour of the most g-loaded, hardest to prep questions.

    3. With the unused time, mandaate SAT Subject or Advanced Placement tests to be used in college admissions. That way, test preppers would at least learn some Chemistry or History or whatever.

    This is basically a combo of the LSAT and MCAT. LSAT tests for logic and verbal reasoning. MCAT tests college level intro biology, chemistry, physics.

  71. Anonymous[556] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s very little math content on the SAT. It’s basically elementary algebra, analytic geometry, and some basic trigonometry.

    You can’t really introduce higher math content, so to make it more challenging you could introduce physics type questions i.e. word problems in which a verbal description of a problem is posed. This requires one to translate the verbal problem into symbolic mathematics before attacking the math problem. The problem is that this is the kind of “word problem” from algebra that people dread and turns many people off of math for life.

  72. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    I’ve seen the video.
     
    This should be good. :)

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife

     

    Why would cops be issued low-powered rifles? For squirrel/rat hunting on break?

    indoors
     
    Because the suspect was indoors.

    on a man armed [only] with a bike lock
     
    That was discovered after he was shot.

    who is maybe 20 ft away from them?

     

    The suspect retreated and almost made it out of sight. If he had a gun, as was relayed to the dispatcher, he could have (fatally) attacked more people.

    was unnecessary force
     
    No, it immediately stopped the dangerous suspect. If lunatics are allowed to roam about, things like this will happen.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer

    That appears to be the fog of war.

    https://nypost.com/2021/12/27/shocking-lapvideo-shows-burlington-store-shot-by-stray-bullet/

    The video also included 911 calls made by a Burlington employee who told emergency dispatchers that a man was inside the store attacking customers. As the employee was providing information to the dispatcher, she also tried to warn customers to evacuate the building.

    The employee also told the dispatcher that the suspect did not have a knife or a gun, but he had a bicycle lock.

    I wonder why she was still in the dressing room. Hadn’t the store been cleared of customers?

  73. @Anon
    @prosa123

    BLM may try to protest, but LA may not cooperate. LA has avoided the worst excesses of BLM so far, so the protesters just may find themselves arrested quickly. The city government knows perfectly well the BLM members intend the protest to be a cover for looting luxury businesses. If they don't, they're dumber than dirt. The whole protest 'n' loot shtick has grown old by now.

    Secondly, the Democratic party elites don't want more protests and looting. They don't want to suppress their own turnout in midterms.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

    ThreeNineOne, there have been, in Buffalo, at least three incidents that I can remember where children were shot and killed by a bullet that pierced a wall or window and killed them. All in the inner city, none by police. And, the killer of Kate Steinle was acquitted of chargers in her murder because the bullet ricochetted off the pavement and struck her dead. Shame about the young girl, sad for her family. Will we find out that the perp, not the cop, was out on bail? A ex felon? We will see.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Buffalo Joe

    Blacks often are killed when a bullet goes right into a house or apartment building through the outside walls and interior Sheetrock. Even back east cities where the outside walls are brick. Even more common in areas where the outside walls are wood or stucco.

    I’m sure even a bullet from a 22 handgun would go through 3/4 Sheetrock. What a horrible tragedy.

  74. There are a couple dozen HBCUs. Let’s upgrade them and not downgrade all the other Colleges and Universities. Use the BBB bucks. Call it reparations. And if the IVies want to open their classes to the less qualified let them put a disclaimer on their now watered down degrees.

  75. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I've see the video. The cops have been told "active shooter" but the guy in fact has only a bike lock and they never actually see a gun. The cops meanwhile have what looks like an AR-15. There is no richocet - the bullet goes right thru the target and thru the drywall and kills the girl who is hiding in a dressing room behind him. It's lucky that it didn't go thru the Dryvit and kill someone in the parking lot too.

    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I'm not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/27/us/lapd-teen-killed-dressing-room-valentina-orellana-peralta/index.html

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @JMcG, @Alden

    The high powered police rifles might be a result of the February 1997 Los Angeles Bank of America shoot out in the same neighborhood as the Burlington store shooting.

    In the N Hollywood BofA shoot out the robbers had so much more ammunition and more powerful weapons than police that the shoot out lasted hours. In fact the police had to borrow some high powered rifles from nearby gun stores.

    After that the LA police acquired heavier weaponry.

  76. Sailer wrote:

    With the unused time, mandaate SAT Subject or Advanced Placement tests to be used in college admissions. That way, test preppers would at least learn some Chemistry or History or whatever.

    Steve, a friend of ours teaches AP Comp. She says that her biggest hurdle is to teach these bright, serious students that they need to learn how to bullshit (her choice of word): she is very explicit that she teaches them how to fake it rather than how to seriously express facts and ideas She is very proud that her students do very well on the AP test.

    My own kids took the AP Physics tests (mechanics and EM) a few years ago, and I helped them prep, so that I am quite familiar with those tests. They too are bullshit: i.e., they do not test your understanding of physics but rather present the test-taker with convoluted and unnatural problems irrelevant to actually learning physics (as I have mentioned many times, I have a Ph.D in physics from Stanford, and am co-inventor on various patents in engineering).

    I have looked into how the AP tests are graded in some detail: in the interests of uniformity of grading, they have established rigid rubrics that no competent teacher would use in the real world: e.g., in the humanities, there are certain fixed responses students must give to get credit: an actual original, innovative thought by the student gets no credit.

    The College Board is aware of all this, and there is therefore an extensive industry training AP teachers how to teach to the test, rather than teach a deep understanding of the subject. Jaime Escalante has, alas, won. Education has lost.

    There are good reasons that college profs have soured on the APs.

    High-school students would be much, much better off delving deeply on their own into some subject they actually care about than pursuing the superificial and artificial course of the APs.

  77. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    ThreeNineOne, there have been, in Buffalo, at least three incidents that I can remember where children were shot and killed by a bullet that pierced a wall or window and killed them. All in the inner city, none by police. And, the killer of Kate Steinle was acquitted of chargers in her murder because the bullet ricochetted off the pavement and struck her dead. Shame about the young girl, sad for her family. Will we find out that the perp, not the cop, was out on bail? A ex felon? We will see.

    Replies: @Alden

    Blacks often are killed when a bullet goes right into a house or apartment building through the outside walls and interior Sheetrock. Even back east cities where the outside walls are brick. Even more common in areas where the outside walls are wood or stucco.

    I’m sure even a bullet from a 22 handgun would go through 3/4 Sheetrock. What a horrible tragedy.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  78. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    Why are the cops using a high powered rife indoors on a man armed with a bike lock who is maybe 20 ft away from them? This had nothing to do with race but was unnecessary force. I’m not sure they had to shoot bike lock man at all , let alone with a high powered rifle.
     
    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    Replies: @Jack D, @res, @Mike Tre, @Adept, @Mr. Anon, @JMcG, @Chris Mallory, @kaganovitch

    In terms of terminal ballistic performance the 5.56 NATO cartridge is less likely to penetrate barriers at close range than a typical pistol caliber fired either from a hand gun or pistol caliber carbine.

    A- ‘Terminal ballistic performance’ and ‘penetration’ are by no means synonymous. B – Barrier penetration at rifle fps velocity(circa 3000 fps) is incomparably greater than typical pistol fps velocity (900-1400 fps depending on caliber, weight,load etc). Soft body armor which will stop point blank pistol shots , provide no protection against 5.56 inside of 100 yards. At the ranges involved in the Burlington incident it may as well be made of cotton jersey.

  79. @Coemgen
    @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    I’m sure you can think of good reasons for putting questions on a test that have no correct answers.

    Anyhow, a correct answer for this type of question is determined by how high performing testers answer the question. The answer most often guessed by high performing testers is the correct answer.

    Personally, I’d prefer marking these type of questions wrong for all testers. Let the grade-grubbers heads explode.

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    I cannot think of a single logical reason for including non-useful questions on a test if you are seeking to maximize the predictive value. And your proposed “answer” is just as dumb as your original idea. How will the test takers identify the “correct” wrong answer? If they prefer C because of its pleasing, round shape, then C becomes the correct answer? Perhaps high-achievers prefer A, because it has a pyramidal shape indicative of the social hierarchy they will some day come to dominate, and it is the grade to which they (and their parents) aspire. Thus, A trumps C.
    Letting the most popular bad answer win is a decent idea for running a committee, if you seek to produce an unproductive committee that fails frequently.
    Perhaps you want to introduce high school stand-outs to the reality of the bureaucracy into which they will someday be subsumed?

    Seriously though, if your best answer is to make a 800 (or 900 on Steve’s extended scale) impossible to just to tweak the noses of parents who want to see little Jimmy or Susie (or Chen) score a perfect 800, how long do you think it will take the “grade-grubbers) to realize that 890 is the highest possible score? And then they simply seek a 890. And college admissions know that there is no functional difference between a score of 890 (answered every answerable questions, and skipped your cleverly designed bullshit), and an 891 (guessed randomly on 6 and got 2 correct) and a perfect 900 (shares the mass delusion of the majority of high-scoring individuals)
    What’s the cut-off for that, anyway? If everyone (say 100 folks) with an 880 or better answered C, but the 235 folks who scored between an 840 and an 880 preferred the pyramidal A, who wins? The smaller, marginally smarter group? Or the significantly larger, but not-so-clever group? Does it require 2 votes at a lower score to beat 1 vote at a higher score? Should a score of 879 be weighted equally to an 880, or equally to an 840? It’s hardly fair to tell Jimmy that his 879 is only equal to Susie’s 840, and not Chen’s 880, now, is it?

  80. @Alden
    @SafeNow

    The adaptive tests are incredibly unfair to Whites and Asians. They’re also used in some occupational and professional certification exams.

    Don’t just check black on your application. Click on several wrong answers the first 15 questions and just sail through the test with a high score.

    All this Christian Western European ethics won’t help American Whites. The only way we can survive; just survive is to be as crooked and criminal as blacks and other non Whites.

    None of the UNZ naive writers and readers who discuss testing read mandarin Cantonese Korean and other Asian languages. According to my friend Xaibo aka Bob, the Asian language internet and community newspapers are full of ads for “ absolute guaranteed high score” test prep courses. Aka we will help you cheat.

    Sign up for one of those courses and you will get a very high score. Here’s a few ways.

    1 Give your ID to one of our professional test takers. Sex height needs to more or less match. The woman test takers all have 3 or 4 wigs. Easy matches when everyone has straight black hair dark brown slants eyes white to light tan skin and average 5’7 for men 5’2 for women. There are plenty of professional test takers who are taller than the average Asian.

    The test administrators learned about this and now often require a police fingerprint card along with the application. Easy solution. Professional test taker takes the official dr license of the person they plan to impersonate to have prints taken. The applications are online nowadays and the fingerprint card is supposed to be scanned in.

    2 A tiny plug that goes into the ears. Hair should be worn to cover the ears. . A voice says question 1 the answer is B question 2 the answer is D

    3 There was a big scandal a few years ago in California. Special pencils and eye glasses. The pencils looked like standard # 2 yellow pencils. But put the glasses on and the test takers can see all the question numbers and letters of the correct answers on the pencil. 1-D. 2-C

    I’m sure there’s more. As Kipling said “ here lies the man who tried to beat the east”

    Ignore testing. Just check the black box. Do it when your kids start kindergarten. They won’t even have to apply for jobs. They will get job offers from every government agency and big corporations starting the first month of third year of college.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Alden, @Wilkey

    I never met this professional test taker. But a friend, an RN who worked at Alhambra hospital where the professional test taker works knows her well.

    The test taker has a high school degree. She is a clerk, nothing to do with patient care She is Mexican ethnic born in America. She is mostly Indian. So she has prominent cheekbones straight black hair narrow dark brown eyes. So she can pass for any Asian Philippino Hispanic. Sometimes the woman who hires her has to buy her a wig.

    She charges \$1,000 to take the LVN certification test. \$2,000 to take the RN test. She has bought and memorized all the questions and answers in the test prep books. She must be intelligent and have excellent memory.

    She doesn’t want to go to nursing school because it’s hard. Her husband makes plenty of money and the kids are small. She’s content with her easy job.

    Conspiracy theory from my cynical self. I believe the SAT ACT got rid of the analogy section because native English speakers did better on it than blacks and Asians. This is America. Anything to disadvantage Whites.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Alden

    The idea behind an analogies test is kind of hard for dumb teachers. I got the Kaplan GRE study book way back in 2006 or so. They had (roughly) this question

    Ballerina : Pirouette ::

    A) Jacket : Tie
    B) Hockey Player : Puck
    C) Fencer : Riposte
    ... More choices

    They said B was the answer! Bad study guide! Bad! They reasoned that ballerinas do ballet, which involves pirouettes. Hockey players play hockey, which involves pucks.

    The answer is C. A ballerina is a person doing a physical activity. A pirouette is a movement she makes. A fencer is a person doing a physical activity. A riposte is a movement he makes. Those things are analogous.

    My jaw dropped when I read that. People who studied out of that book and did not already understand analogies would likely get a lower score having read the book.

    I remember arguing analogies with a teacher on the first day at a new school. Got sent to the principal’s office. Explained the question and answer to him. He said, “yeah, that’s right.” The teacher was not happy with me. Said I may have been right, but I was undermining her. Guilty as charged...

    If they computerized the SAT, they could include backward digit span. They say it is very hard to get better at it with practice beyond getting one more digit. There’s a psych tester story of a guy who could do it with like 50 numbers. But when they did it with colors, he had a normal range. So one person figured out how to game it.

    I think the Freddie deBoer piece on Harvard and the SAT is important in light of what Steve wants the SAT to do, all of which are good ideas. Harvard admits who it wants. If they want to admit a hundred Harlem urchins, they can. The SAT does not constrain Harvard. DeBoer did not say, but it would not surprise me if the SAT did constrain state schools, as it should.

    Perhaps more states need to follow California’s lead in banning affirmative action. Either that or everyone is protected. If a racial group is overrepresented but identifiable ethnicities within the race are under-represented, then those ethnicities get their own quota. So, Asians are over-represented, but Hmongs aren’t? Hmong get a quota. That would apply to the white race as well. Whites are over-represented because of Jews? Non-Jews get a quota too.

    If that seems unwieldy, then our diverse nation needs to get rid of AA. It is impossible to be fair to identity groups. There are too many. They are too fluid. For example, a college needs to up its number of black male students. They admit 100, but only gay ones. Is that “equity” for male blacks? Should there be a separate LGBTQWERTY quota? If so, how to balance gay males, lesbians, and trans? Which gender do the trans count as? What about the genderqueer (as far as I know, only natal females identify that way) what gender do they count as? Or, to fill the black male quota, the school only admits natal female transmen. Is that equitable?

    I totally agree with Steve that ETS has opened up space for an IQ-like, ungameable (or as close as possible) test that ranks students on verbal, mathematical, visuospatial, and creative ability, as well the last can be measured. The SAT needs a visuospatial component. It’s important for lots of fields. School includes very little spatial stuff. Especially three-dimensional work. There was a short course for women in engineering that taught visuospatial skills. They even found far transfer. Ie, they trained these three skills and found improvement on untaught skills. That should be available to everyone, Someone can get straight A grades in high school chem and intro chem, ace the SAT chemistry subject test, but discover in organic chemistry that he is only average or below in 3D visualization. Then he has to change majors. Wouldn’t it be better if people learned their limits early? If the school admitted him expecting a chemistry star, they’ll be disappointed too.

    Perhaps more than reforming who gets into high-end colleges, we try to change how the economy works to improve the position of people who don’t go to college and don’t own capital and land. Yale or jail is a terrible way to organize a society. Just because people are not smart does not mean they should live in precarious poverty.

    A prize for anyone who read this far:


    But outside of a few St. Grottlesex-type prep schools, it’s not that easy for the admissions committee to figure out just from GPA if the applicant has the raw processing power to thrive in a difficult major
     
    Connoisseurs and experts alike say grottlesex is the best kind of sex. A good grottling is not to be missed.

    Ok, not much of a prize.
  81. @guest007
    @Johann Ricke

    The guy doing the shooting was standing every close to a civilian who had been beaten bloody with the bike lock.

    Does anyone really want a police force that will wait outside until the guy decides to leave?

    Replies: @Alden

    That happened in the Marjorie Stoneman high school shooting in Florida. Cops stayed outside.

  82. There was an RPG, 2300AD maybe, that had guns with bullets fed separately from the propellant part, an explosive gas. The gas was maybe two that were inert until mixed. The theory was that when the target was close/unarmored, the gun could use less propellant, reducing recoil, improving aim, and stopping overpenetration. When the target was far/behind cover/armored, the gun could use more of the explosive gas for a faster, more damaging round, and while more recoil, better aim because the bullet was faster.

    Does anyone into guns know if something like that is even hard-sci-fi realistic? Could cops have rifles where they could flip a switch from “near, unarmored target, slow bullet so that it doesn’t go through a wall and kill a girl” to “ZMG!1! The bad guy has body armor and is 100 yards away. Use lots of propellant.”

    Or, you know those military rifles that have a bullet-shooty part and a 20 mm grenade launcher above or below? The internet says there was an American US XM29 OICW I assume the X means experimental, but the Chinese have the QTS-11, and the South Koreans have the S&T Daewoo K11. Giving police a rifle with a grenade launcher is kinda the opposite of what I want, but would it be possible to have a rifle with a heavy, fast round barrel and magazine with an attached light, slow round gun above or below. Hell to the side for all I care. The trigger/selector would work however the rifle-grenade launcher works. That way, when cops are in a store with the guy (in before Rosie. “It’s always a man!” I kid, Rosie) they can shoot him with a bullet that won’t go through him, through a wall, and into an innocent girl. Heck, include a taser option, too.

    I’m sure accidents could still happen when the cop firing the fast and heavy round when he should have fired the slow, low-penetration round, but the way it is right now, they have M16 rifles and every shot fired is the kind that will go through a wall or far down the block and kill someone innocent.

    Just seems that flipping the barrel selector switch is more realistic than putting up the rifle and drawing a different gun.

    Is this crazy or stupid? Yeah, I realize the first idea is not as realistic, but the second?

    • Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Rob

    The first part, switching propellants to change the ballistics, is possibly doable, but not to that extent. Look up the history of the original AR-15 to M16 experiment. Changing the chamber pressure (the Army geeks wanted a faster round with more stopping power) fouled the M16's chamber because the AR-15 wasn't designed to handle expelling the extra gas. A lower chamber pressure wouldn't be able to eject the shell casing, so the gun would effectively become bolt action. Maybe not the worst thing in the world for police.

    The rifle mounted grenade launchers most militaries use is actually a separate weapon attached to the rifle, with its own safety and trigger. So at that point you might as well just give them two rifles.
    The XM-29 was just a smaller (20mm) grenade launcher with a magazine feed as compared to the 40mm single shot grenade launchers

    Replies: @Rob

  83. @Alfa158
    I see a potential problem with reason number one you cited.
    You wrote it might help really smart White kids from Decatur get into elite universities. The creeps who run our universities don’t want really smart White kids from Decatur to get in. They want smart enough to barely scrape by Black kids from Birmingham. Any reform that they think might help the former to get in will be rejected.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Almost Missouri, @Jack P

    I think smart white kids from Decatur are better off ditching elite universities in the first place.

    Graduates from large public state schools have just as good of prospects as graduates of Ivy League or quasi Ivy League elite colleges.

    I attended a suburban public high school in the South where virtually nobody test-prepped yet about 30 out of of 300 of us had very good ACT/SAT scores; the one guy from my graduating class who made it to an Ivy League school hasn’t done anything noteworthy with his degree yet. He doesn’t even seem financially stable. He’s also gay, but that’s an unrelated tidbit,

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @S. Anonyia


    I attended a suburban public high school in the South where virtually nobody test-prepped yet about 30 out of of 300 of us had very good ACT/SAT scores; the one guy from my graduating class who made it to an Ivy League school ... He’s also gay, but that’s an unrelated tidbit,
     
    If he managed to get that little tidbit across in his application/interview, you probably have the explanation for why the Ivy League selected him rather than any of the other 29.

    The only flyover whites they are looking for are ones they expect to have acute resentment against flyover whites.
    , @Jack P
    @S. Anonyia

    It's not unrelated that he's gay, and you must get that.

    I do agree that smart red state whites should forget the Ivies and fortify their state flagship schools. But that also requires those state governments taking control of their universities and kicking out the commies. So far they've been late to the party on that.

  84. @Alden
    @Alden

    I never met this professional test taker. But a friend, an RN who worked at Alhambra hospital where the professional test taker works knows her well.

    The test taker has a high school degree. She is a clerk, nothing to do with patient care She is Mexican ethnic born in America. She is mostly Indian. So she has prominent cheekbones straight black hair narrow dark brown eyes. So she can pass for any Asian Philippino Hispanic. Sometimes the woman who hires her has to buy her a wig.

    She charges $1,000 to take the LVN certification test. $2,000 to take the RN test. She has bought and memorized all the questions and answers in the test prep books. She must be intelligent and have excellent memory.

    She doesn’t want to go to nursing school because it’s hard. Her husband makes plenty of money and the kids are small. She’s content with her easy job.

    Conspiracy theory from my cynical self. I believe the SAT ACT got rid of the analogy section because native English speakers did better on it than blacks and Asians. This is America. Anything to disadvantage Whites.

    Replies: @Rob

    The idea behind an analogies test is kind of hard for dumb teachers. I got the Kaplan GRE study book way back in 2006 or so. They had (roughly) this question

    Ballerina : Pirouette ::

    A) Jacket : Tie
    B) Hockey Player : Puck
    C) Fencer : Riposte
    … More choices

    They said B was the answer! Bad study guide! Bad! They reasoned that ballerinas do ballet, which involves pirouettes. Hockey players play hockey, which involves pucks.

    The answer is C. A ballerina is a person doing a physical activity. A pirouette is a movement she makes. A fencer is a person doing a physical activity. A riposte is a movement he makes. Those things are analogous.

    My jaw dropped when I read that. People who studied out of that book and did not already understand analogies would likely get a lower score having read the book.

    I remember arguing analogies with a teacher on the first day at a new school. Got sent to the principal’s office. Explained the question and answer to him. He said, “yeah, that’s right.” The teacher was not happy with me. Said I may have been right, but I was undermining her. Guilty as charged…

    [MORE]

    If they computerized the SAT, they could include backward digit span. They say it is very hard to get better at it with practice beyond getting one more digit. There’s a psych tester story of a guy who could do it with like 50 numbers. But when they did it with colors, he had a normal range. So one person figured out how to game it.

    I think the Freddie deBoer piece on Harvard and the SAT is important in light of what Steve wants the SAT to do, all of which are good ideas. Harvard admits who it wants. If they want to admit a hundred Harlem urchins, they can. The SAT does not constrain Harvard. DeBoer did not say, but it would not surprise me if the SAT did constrain state schools, as it should.

    Perhaps more states need to follow California’s lead in banning affirmative action. Either that or everyone is protected. If a racial group is overrepresented but identifiable ethnicities within the race are under-represented, then those ethnicities get their own quota. So, Asians are over-represented, but Hmongs aren’t? Hmong get a quota. That would apply to the white race as well. Whites are over-represented because of Jews? Non-Jews get a quota too.

    If that seems unwieldy, then our diverse nation needs to get rid of AA. It is impossible to be fair to identity groups. There are too many. They are too fluid. For example, a college needs to up its number of black male students. They admit 100, but only gay ones. Is that “equity” for male blacks? Should there be a separate LGBTQWERTY quota? If so, how to balance gay males, lesbians, and trans? Which gender do the trans count as? What about the genderqueer (as far as I know, only natal females identify that way) what gender do they count as? Or, to fill the black male quota, the school only admits natal female transmen. Is that equitable?

    I totally agree with Steve that ETS has opened up space for an IQ-like, ungameable (or as close as possible) test that ranks students on verbal, mathematical, visuospatial, and creative ability, as well the last can be measured. The SAT needs a visuospatial component. It’s important for lots of fields. School includes very little spatial stuff. Especially three-dimensional work. There was a short course for women in engineering that taught visuospatial skills. They even found far transfer. Ie, they trained these three skills and found improvement on untaught skills. That should be available to everyone, Someone can get straight A grades in high school chem and intro chem, ace the SAT chemistry subject test, but discover in organic chemistry that he is only average or below in 3D visualization. Then he has to change majors. Wouldn’t it be better if people learned their limits early? If the school admitted him expecting a chemistry star, they’ll be disappointed too.

    Perhaps more than reforming who gets into high-end colleges, we try to change how the economy works to improve the position of people who don’t go to college and don’t own capital and land. Yale or jail is a terrible way to organize a society. Just because people are not smart does not mean they should live in precarious poverty.

    A prize for anyone who read this far:

    But outside of a few St. Grottlesex-type prep schools, it’s not that easy for the admissions committee to figure out just from GPA if the applicant has the raw processing power to thrive in a difficult major

    Connoisseurs and experts alike say grottlesex is the best kind of sex. A good grottling is not to be missed.

    Ok, not much of a prize.

  85. there’d be no incentive to steal a copy of the printed test ahead of time

    Instead, people would steal the source code, and train for a precisely predictable sequence of questions!

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
  86. each test each year would be drawn from all 40,000+ words in the English language.

    Sounds, um, agathokakological.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew



    each test each year would be drawn from all 40,000+ words in the English language.

     

    Sounds, um, agathokakological.
     
    An agathochristological test might do the trick. Find the missing person. Or the motive.



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  87. @Rob
    There was an RPG, 2300AD maybe, that had guns with bullets fed separately from the propellant part, an explosive gas. The gas was maybe two that were inert until mixed. The theory was that when the target was close/unarmored, the gun could use less propellant, reducing recoil, improving aim, and stopping overpenetration. When the target was far/behind cover/armored, the gun could use more of the explosive gas for a faster, more damaging round, and while more recoil, better aim because the bullet was faster.

    Does anyone into guns know if something like that is even hard-sci-fi realistic? Could cops have rifles where they could flip a switch from “near, unarmored target, slow bullet so that it doesn’t go through a wall and kill a girl” to “ZMG!1! The bad guy has body armor and is 100 yards away. Use lots of propellant.”

    Or, you know those military rifles that have a bullet-shooty part and a 20 mm grenade launcher above or below? The internet says there was an American US XM29 OICW I assume the X means experimental, but the Chinese have the QTS-11, and the South Koreans have the S&T Daewoo K11. Giving police a rifle with a grenade launcher is kinda the opposite of what I want, but would it be possible to have a rifle with a heavy, fast round barrel and magazine with an attached light, slow round gun above or below. Hell to the side for all I care. The trigger/selector would work however the rifle-grenade launcher works. That way, when cops are in a store with the guy (in before Rosie. “It’s always a man!” I kid, Rosie) they can shoot him with a bullet that won’t go through him, through a wall, and into an innocent girl. Heck, include a taser option, too.

    I’m sure accidents could still happen when the cop firing the fast and heavy round when he should have fired the slow, low-penetration round, but the way it is right now, they have M16 rifles and every shot fired is the kind that will go through a wall or far down the block and kill someone innocent.

    Just seems that flipping the barrel selector switch is more realistic than putting up the rifle and drawing a different gun.

    Is this crazy or stupid? Yeah, I realize the first idea is not as realistic, but the second?

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    The first part, switching propellants to change the ballistics, is possibly doable, but not to that extent. Look up the history of the original AR-15 to M16 experiment. Changing the chamber pressure (the Army geeks wanted a faster round with more stopping power) fouled the M16’s chamber because the AR-15 wasn’t designed to handle expelling the extra gas. A lower chamber pressure wouldn’t be able to eject the shell casing, so the gun would effectively become bolt action. Maybe not the worst thing in the world for police.

    The rifle mounted grenade launchers most militaries use is actually a separate weapon attached to the rifle, with its own safety and trigger. So at that point you might as well just give them two rifles.
    The XM-29 was just a smaller (20mm) grenade launcher with a magazine feed as compared to the 40mm single shot grenade launchers

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Dmitri Fyodorovich


    The rifle-mounted grenade launchers most militaries use is actually a separate weapon attached to the rifle, with its own safety and trigger. So at that point you might as well just give them two rifles.
     
    I checked out the Daewoo K11 the Koreans have. It’s an integrated grenade launcher. The two use the same trigger. The fire selector has “safety,” “single shot,” “three-round burst,” and “grenade.” Same trigger. Sounds like a much convenient form factor, moving a lever from 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock rather than dropping/shouldering the rifle, drawing the grenade launcher, and then firing the grenade.

    Seems to me an equivalent heavy/light round double gun would be better for police to have than having to have two rifles and switching between them. Heck, have 12, 3, 6, 9 selector positions and add a taser. Maybe the necessary trigger pressure could change with safe, ar-15 round, light/slow round, and taser selection so that you have to squeeze much harder to fire a bullet than a taser. Maybe avoid that one poor woman’s fate, shooting the criminal she meant to tase and going to prison.

    Either heavy/light round or gun/taser single device (or heavy round/light round/taser triple weapon) would bring cops closer to having a “set phasers on stun” option. Less geekily, the cop could have less-lethal options along with greater stopping power with the ability to switch between the two/three options quickly.

    It would really be nice if it were easier for police to have less-lethal options at the same time they have the safety of more lethal options.

    Seems to me that a big problem of rifle/grenade launcher single weapon is weight, but that’s much less important for a cop than a soldier. The cop, likely SWAT, won’t be carrying the weapon for n-mile marches.

    I don’t know, but I imagine that whether to draw his gun or his taser is an important decision that a cop has to make in a split second. Integrating the two seems like it would improve officer and civilian safety.

    But I might just be crazy.

    A lower-penetration option on the officer’s rifle could have saved the girl in the dressing room.

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich

  88. @Anon
    @prosa123

    BLM may try to protest, but LA may not cooperate. LA has avoided the worst excesses of BLM so far, so the protesters just may find themselves arrested quickly. The city government knows perfectly well the BLM members intend the protest to be a cover for looting luxury businesses. If they don't, they're dumber than dirt. The whole protest 'n' loot shtick has grown old by now.

    Secondly, the Democratic party elites don't want more protests and looting. They don't want to suppress their own turnout in midterms.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar

    They don’t want to suppress their own turnout in midterms.

    Finally, we’re back on topic– academic performance!

  89. @International Jew

    each test each year would be drawn from all 40,000+ words in the English language.
     
    Sounds, um, agathokakological.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    each test each year would be drawn from all 40,000+ words in the English language.

    Sounds, um, agathokakological.

    An agathochristological test might do the trick. Find the missing person. Or the motive.

  90. @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The meaning of genius is creator, so your description of Asians is a contradiction in terms.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    There are geniuses of creation, and there are geniuses of modifying imitation; there are people who create something truly new, and the ones that upgrade, for the better, the existing idea/product.

    Take for instance the history of stealth technology.

  91. The private elite institutions just don’t want smart white kids from flyover states who can see that the holistic admission’s emporer has no clothes. However, the so-called Public Ivys might be politically pressured to bring back testing in the form Steve suggests. However, top public schools will need to implement front and back door admissions portals admitting about equal numbers. Front door applicants highlight objective achievements in the form of competitive awards and standardized test results. Back door applicants highlight public service and lived experience, etc. Moreover, the student gets to choose which door he wants to go through. In that way, schools can maintain a student body balanced for both cognitive potential and ethnic diversity.

  92. ‘…This would allow finer distinctions to be drawn among high scorers: “E.g., this white kid in Decatur doesn’t see to have had professional help in finetuning his essay to appeal to our tastes on the Admissions Committee, but he did score 880 verbal, 860 math. You don’t see that very often.”…’

    This assumes a certain benevolence on the part of the admissions committee towards white kids from Decatur. I’m not convinced such an assumption is still justified.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  93. @74v56ruthiyj
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I hate seeing those AR-15s in the cops hands. Give them 30-30s. 100 yard effective range and a 170 grain bullet that will put a perp down right now, even without a hit center of mass. And the lever action will keep them from spray-and-pray tactics.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    A .30-30 is more likely to over penetrate a target than a .223.

    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @Redneck farmer

    I did not know that. Color me surprised. So, a lever action in .357/.38 instead, using hollow points? They exist, and if police departments started ordering them, they would be produced. Something, anyway, that will accurately deliver adequate but not excessive power to a range of 100 yards. Anything more should be limited to trained snipers.

  94. @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Rob

    The first part, switching propellants to change the ballistics, is possibly doable, but not to that extent. Look up the history of the original AR-15 to M16 experiment. Changing the chamber pressure (the Army geeks wanted a faster round with more stopping power) fouled the M16's chamber because the AR-15 wasn't designed to handle expelling the extra gas. A lower chamber pressure wouldn't be able to eject the shell casing, so the gun would effectively become bolt action. Maybe not the worst thing in the world for police.

    The rifle mounted grenade launchers most militaries use is actually a separate weapon attached to the rifle, with its own safety and trigger. So at that point you might as well just give them two rifles.
    The XM-29 was just a smaller (20mm) grenade launcher with a magazine feed as compared to the 40mm single shot grenade launchers

    Replies: @Rob

    The rifle-mounted grenade launchers most militaries use is actually a separate weapon attached to the rifle, with its own safety and trigger. So at that point you might as well just give them two rifles.

    I checked out the Daewoo K11 the Koreans have. It’s an integrated grenade launcher. The two use the same trigger. The fire selector has “safety,” “single shot,” “three-round burst,” and “grenade.” Same trigger. Sounds like a much convenient form factor, moving a lever from 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock rather than dropping/shouldering the rifle, drawing the grenade launcher, and then firing the grenade.

    Seems to me an equivalent heavy/light round double gun would be better for police to have than having to have two rifles and switching between them. Heck, have 12, 3, 6, 9 selector positions and add a taser. Maybe the necessary trigger pressure could change with safe, ar-15 round, light/slow round, and taser selection so that you have to squeeze much harder to fire a bullet than a taser. Maybe avoid that one poor woman’s fate, shooting the criminal she meant to tase and going to prison.

    [MORE]

    Either heavy/light round or gun/taser single device (or heavy round/light round/taser triple weapon) would bring cops closer to having a “set phasers on stun” option. Less geekily, the cop could have less-lethal options along with greater stopping power with the ability to switch between the two/three options quickly.

    It would really be nice if it were easier for police to have less-lethal options at the same time they have the safety of more lethal options.

    Seems to me that a big problem of rifle/grenade launcher single weapon is weight, but that’s much less important for a cop than a soldier. The cop, likely SWAT, won’t be carrying the weapon for n-mile marches.

    I don’t know, but I imagine that whether to draw his gun or his taser is an important decision that a cop has to make in a split second. Integrating the two seems like it would improve officer and civilian safety.

    But I might just be crazy.

    A lower-penetration option on the officer’s rifle could have saved the girl in the dressing room.

    • Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Rob

    The Korean one you referenced is interesting. One issue I can see happening is cops switching to grenade instead of safe, or from semi to burst by accident (theoretically this would be avoided by proper training, but theoretically proper training also teaches cops the difference between a taser and a pistol. There's a bigger tactile difference between a taser and a pistol than between 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock and 12 oclock)
    You would likely need 2 barrels and 2 chambers to make that weapon work with a high-velocity and a low-velocity round. That's how the K11 looks, and the original design for the XM29 that the Army scrapped.

    Overall, that's physically plausible if not necessarily practical yet. Police departments tend not to have R&D budgets for that kind of stuff. Maybe the FBI can develop it, then share it around.
    As I said before, perhaps equipping cops with bolt action rifles isn't the worst thing it the world, it would force more deliberate aiming due to the slower rate of fire.

    Replies: @Rob

  95. The whole system is so ossified, the first thing to do is to just blow it up.

    Throw in the Apple of Discord: simply disaggregate Jews from Whites, then watch in utter amazement as the system is magically re-organized from top to bottom in less than 24 hours.

  96. What’s wrong with cramming, learning by rote? Both required to ingest knowledge. Both scream ‘discipline, dedication, responsibility’ – no small attributes these days. And what are the grounds for believing the ethnic groups ace-ing or flunking current tests won’t be the same ones ace-ing and flunking any newfangled ones? For adaptability is another proxy for IQ. And this, elephant in the classroom, is really what this is all about. Like music, fashion, acting whatever – just segregate black education awards from all the others and move on to some problem that is fixable?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @TyRade

    "Cramming" has its uses but at a certain point you start getting negative marginal returns. The stereotypical oriental study method is not healthy, especially for people who didn't evolve to be bugpeople.

    , @Rob
    @TyRade

    The problem with putting uncreative, conformist rote learners in positions of authority is that they are uncreative, conformist, rote learners.

    Many situations call for creativity and novel solutions. Especially now, when the zeitgeist is so at odds with reality. Very soon, we will face problems the US has never seen. People capable of seeing past what they were indoctrinated with in school or cram school will be our only hope. Applying yesterday’s answers from the decades-long SAT prep will not work well.

    I for one, think various brands of Asians should be the only ones in positions of power. People should look up the social structure and see nothing but yellow faces.

    They should do that in Asia. Americans should be in powerful and influential positions in America.

    If you don’t like being expected to not only know that answer B) from the test bank questions you spent years memorizing is right, but how it was derived and how to apply it in the real world, well, there is a whole continent of people just like you. A continent that will weather the next fifty years better than we will.

    Does anyone else get the sense that Asian-Americans are somewhat upset that their parents bet on the wrong horse? To have a somewhat higher standard of living for a few decades, they put their children into the heart of a sclerotic, decaying empire. To re-acclimate to their Asian homelands would take decades. Not only that, they and their children would be tainted by foreigness in the eyes of the of their co-ethnics.

    No one who asks “what’s wrong with rote learning and cramming” should be anywhere near the levers of power.

  97. Who cares? No one in power will ever read your autistic, rambling suggestions, nor would they ever implement them. I would rather see you make another post about golf course design than this smug post about how to reform institutions that are completely beyond reform.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @AndrewR

    We’ve seen NYT columnists talk about stuff Steve talks about two weeks later to a suspicious degree, and we know people influential on the center right like Scott Alexander read him (though the dude is still a liberal).

    Heck, if that minoritarianism column came from where I think it did, David Brooks may actually read the comments. (Hi, Dave! )

    I think people in power read people who read people who read Steve, if that makes any sense.

  98. @TyRade
    What's wrong with cramming, learning by rote? Both required to ingest knowledge. Both scream 'discipline, dedication, responsibility' - no small attributes these days. And what are the grounds for believing the ethnic groups ace-ing or flunking current tests won't be the same ones ace-ing and flunking any newfangled ones? For adaptability is another proxy for IQ. And this, elephant in the classroom, is really what this is all about. Like music, fashion, acting whatever - just segregate black education awards from all the others and move on to some problem that is fixable?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob

    “Cramming” has its uses but at a certain point you start getting negative marginal returns. The stereotypical oriental study method is not healthy, especially for people who didn’t evolve to be bugpeople.

  99. @TyRade
    What's wrong with cramming, learning by rote? Both required to ingest knowledge. Both scream 'discipline, dedication, responsibility' - no small attributes these days. And what are the grounds for believing the ethnic groups ace-ing or flunking current tests won't be the same ones ace-ing and flunking any newfangled ones? For adaptability is another proxy for IQ. And this, elephant in the classroom, is really what this is all about. Like music, fashion, acting whatever - just segregate black education awards from all the others and move on to some problem that is fixable?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Rob

    The problem with putting uncreative, conformist rote learners in positions of authority is that they are uncreative, conformist, rote learners.

    Many situations call for creativity and novel solutions. Especially now, when the zeitgeist is so at odds with reality. Very soon, we will face problems the US has never seen. People capable of seeing past what they were indoctrinated with in school or cram school will be our only hope. Applying yesterday’s answers from the decades-long SAT prep will not work well.

    I for one, think various brands of Asians should be the only ones in positions of power. People should look up the social structure and see nothing but yellow faces.

    They should do that in Asia. Americans should be in powerful and influential positions in America.

    If you don’t like being expected to not only know that answer B) from the test bank questions you spent years memorizing is right, but how it was derived and how to apply it in the real world, well, there is a whole continent of people just like you. A continent that will weather the next fifty years better than we will.

    Does anyone else get the sense that Asian-Americans are somewhat upset that their parents bet on the wrong horse? To have a somewhat higher standard of living for a few decades, they put their children into the heart of a sclerotic, decaying empire. To re-acclimate to their Asian homelands would take decades. Not only that, they and their children would be tainted by foreigness in the eyes of the of their co-ethnics.

    No one who asks “what’s wrong with rote learning and cramming” should be anywhere near the levers of power.

  100. @Nathan
    "E.g., this white kid in Decatur..."

    Yeah, they aren't interested in that kid. Well, they aren't interested in *helping* that kid. He's an enemy.

    In fact, it seems kind of naive to think that anybody actually wants to improve college admissions. The people who control college admissions have made it clear that they believe in who/whom and power and nothing else.

    Replies: @SFG

    Yeah, the USA isn’t China or France. We were never particularly concerned with selecting an intellectual elite to run our country.

    As you say, to Harvard a kid like that is a threat rather than an asset, unless he wants to become gay or trans. They want lacrosse players to give them money and a diverse group of leaders so the next black leader goes to Harvard, not Howard.

    We had a brief shift after Sputnik, and maybe it will happen again when the Chinese use genetic engineering to breed super intelligent scientists who make us technically inferior to a degree even average people notice. But by that point, given how long it would take to do that, it would probably be too late for us to do much about it.

  101. @AndrewR
    Who cares? No one in power will ever read your autistic, rambling suggestions, nor would they ever implement them. I would rather see you make another post about golf course design than this smug post about how to reform institutions that are completely beyond reform.

    Replies: @SFG

    We’ve seen NYT columnists talk about stuff Steve talks about two weeks later to a suspicious degree, and we know people influential on the center right like Scott Alexander read him (though the dude is still a liberal).

    Heck, if that minoritarianism column came from where I think it did, David Brooks may actually read the comments. (Hi, Dave! )

    I think people in power read people who read people who read Steve, if that makes any sense.

  102. I also want to add that anyone who wants to say Asians aren’t creative has to explain the success of anime.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @SFG

    Japan has a tremendous literary scene. Hunger Games was stolen from a far superior Japanese novel, and movie: Battle Royale.

    Whites who think Asians are just copyists are people who haven't done much with their own lives. They're sad.

  103. @Altai
    One reform that would do little to deal with the issues of upper middle class whites and Jews but would help the working and middle classes would be to introduce Danish-style vocational schools that ensure non-intellectual students are given a proper and valued path in life. It would help the upper middle class somewhat th0ugh by reducing pressure for everyone to go to traditional universities.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_secondary_education_in_Denmark

    Though this would probably also require a major cultural shift in valuing these professionals more.

    Another thing would be to double or triple the number of medical school places. There really isn't much a dropoff in test scores in terms of the med school rejects, the numbers are kept low deliberately to increase the wages of doctors.

    How they get away with this (The world over too) despite the obvious amount of human death and misery this causes is beyond me. To say nothing of the consequences of masses of third world doctors then going to the West to fill the gaps despite those countries having an even greater shortage and baseline need for their medics.

    Replies: @JosephD

    Another thing would be to double or triple the number of medical school places. There really isn’t much a dropoff in test scores in terms of the med school rejects, the numbers are kept low deliberately to increase the wages of doctors.

    It isn’t med school places so much as the number of residency slots: https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practices/more-medical-students-than-ever-but-more-residency-slots-needed-to-solve-physician#:~:text=The%20number%20of%20residency%20positions%20has%20increased%20only,medical%20school%20spots%20since%202002%2C%20the%20AAMC%20said.

    You can immigrate to the US with an MD, subspecialty training, and decades of practice. If you don’t do a residency here, you can’t have a license to practice medicine.

    Medicine is an interesting study in nativist vs best available. The residency selection process is deliberately biased towards US-trained doctors. The test aligns with US med school (more biochemistry) as opposed to many other places (more clinical emphasis). Beyond that, foreign-trained doctors are required to have a higher score at most programs. If you want someone to diagnose the rare prion disease caused by exposure to unobtanium, the biochem background is useful. If you want someone to actually look at you, I’ve had better luck with foreign-trained docs.

    • Thanks: Jim Don Bob
  104. @Alfa158
    I see a potential problem with reason number one you cited.
    You wrote it might help really smart White kids from Decatur get into elite universities. The creeps who run our universities don’t want really smart White kids from Decatur to get in. They want smart enough to barely scrape by Black kids from Birmingham. Any reform that they think might help the former to get in will be rejected.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Almost Missouri, @Jack P

    The creeps who run our universities don’t want really smart White kids from Decatur to get in.

    Agree. Now that they have the elite mix they want, the task is to seal it hermetically and permanently.

  105. @prosa123
    So it looks as if the BLM crowd is getting involved with the fatal police shooting of a 14-year-old girl in Los Angeles and screaming racism. Their involvement is utterly pointless because: 1) it was a completely unintentional shooting, she was hit by a ricochet while hiding in the dressing room of a Burlington Coat Factory as a cop fired at a lunatic attacking shoppers with a heavy bicycle lock; 2) although the girl was from Chile she looked basically white, so no racial motivations; and 3) even if the cop somehow hated Chileans he wouldn't have known she was one because she was hiding in a dressing room.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anon, @Jack D, @Mike_from_SGV

    It was a local crime and tragedy. So why did it immediately show up on the front page of the NYT? Obviously to push the anti-cop, anti-law-enforcement narrative. There are probably armies of young woke ‘journalists’ who scour the news to find a narrative-adaptable story like this. BLM involvement is part of the larger scam.

  106. @Mr. Anon
    @Paperback Writer


    Did you and I see the same video? The store was empty when the officers came.
     
    The thing about walls is that there is often something on the other side.

    If an armed "civilian" shot a guy in a store in these same circumstances and killed an innocent child who was behind a wall, the police would arrest him, and the local DA would prosecute him.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    We don’t know what happened. A few news reports prove nothing. It appears that the store was cleared out, the cops in good faith believed that it was empty, and there was no intent on their side to harm anyone. But I don’t know. Let’s wait for more facts.

    Cops are civil servants empowered by the state to do a lot of things that “civilians” cannot.

    The narrative of cops gone wild is ridiculous. We’ve been through this with Derek Chauvin – the WaPo database shows very few such incidents.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Paperback Writer


    We don’t know what happened. A few news reports prove nothing. It appears that the store was cleared out, the cops in good faith believed that it was empty, and there was no intent on their side to harm anyone. But I don’t know. Let’s wait for more facts.
     
    Nobody is saying they intended to harm anyone, only that they were reckless.

    The narrative of cops gone wild is ridiculous.
     
    No, not entirely. Yes, the George Floyd thing and other similar instances were ridiculous. But cops often do stupid things, act recklessly or even malevolently, and injure or kill people they shouldn't, and get away with it.
  107. @as
    I work in software for a FANG company. Two of the smartest guys I know here (white men) went to good but not top universities.

    Are people who train fanatically for the SAT really coming out ahead? It would seem that it would condition your brain in the wrong kind of way.

    Replies: @No jack London, @Mike_from_SGV, @International Jew

    Ditto. I work in Tech in California. Some of the best white and hispanic engineers I work with went to Cal States, or a State University outside of California. In the long run, it’s your work ethic, thinking skills, organization abilities, etc that matter.

  108. @SFG
    I also want to add that anyone who wants to say Asians aren’t creative has to explain the success of anime.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Japan has a tremendous literary scene. Hunger Games was stolen from a far superior Japanese novel, and movie: Battle Royale.

    Whites who think Asians are just copyists are people who haven’t done much with their own lives. They’re sad.

  109. @S. Anonyia
    @Alfa158

    I think smart white kids from Decatur are better off ditching elite universities in the first place.

    Graduates from large public state schools have just as good of prospects as graduates of Ivy League or quasi Ivy League elite colleges.

    I attended a suburban public high school in the South where virtually nobody test-prepped yet about 30 out of of 300 of us had very good ACT/SAT scores; the one guy from my graduating class who made it to an Ivy League school hasn’t done anything noteworthy with his degree yet. He doesn’t even seem financially stable. He’s also gay, but that’s an unrelated tidbit,

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack P

    I attended a suburban public high school in the South where virtually nobody test-prepped yet about 30 out of of 300 of us had very good ACT/SAT scores; the one guy from my graduating class who made it to an Ivy League school … He’s also gay, but that’s an unrelated tidbit,

    If he managed to get that little tidbit across in his application/interview, you probably have the explanation for why the Ivy League selected him rather than any of the other 29.

    The only flyover whites they are looking for are ones they expect to have acute resentment against flyover whites.

  110. @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    Blacks also make up the sports teams at Ivys, so they love their blacks

    The Ivy League has a huge number of obscure sports with mostly white athletes. They like giving a break in admissions to national quality squash players or swimmers or whatever because these kids tend to be winners and loyalists who go on to make a lot of money and give some of it to their alma maters.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Harvard fields more varsity sports teams than any college in America. White crew oarsmen, Pakistani squash stars, and black hoopsters. Maybe they’ll get into esports in a big way to get some Asian “athletes”.

  111. Getting rid of the prep component? Not such a good idea.

    Think about it: what is the point of these admissions tests?

    To find the students best suited for a college education? Or to find the smartest?

    These are not necessarily the same thing.

    You would get an extremely gifted but lazy bum who wastes the college opportunity and his life away, instead of the merely smart but hardworking grinder who is determined to make something of his life.

    That said, there are definitely hereditary differences in the averages between the different population groups, especially along Big Five personality traits. Asians tend to be more conscientious but less open, while Blacks tend to be less conscientious.

    Standardised tests assess for primarily IQ, and then conscientiousness, and lastly openness to a much smaller extent. Asians probably widen the gap between them and whites due to the conscientiousness component.

    Lastly, IQ tests can be gamed too. In Singapore, we have the Gifted Education Programme (GEP), where entrance is determined by IQ tests. Lo and behold, there are expensive prep programs for this too!
    https://www.google.com/search?q=preparing+for+gifted+education+programe+singapore&rlz=1C1UEAD_enSG959SG959&oq=preparing+for+gifted+education+programe+singapore&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i22i29i30l2.11388j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    The downside to this is the Peter Principle. The grinder who snuck into the program quickly realises he is truly outmatched in real horsepower, and can suffer severe mental and emotional distress when he realises that no matter how much he studies, he can only do so much.

  112. @TWS
    @Jack D

    You think a 5.56 is a "high power rifle" everything else you write can be disregarded.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You’re being holier than the Pope. In the High Power Rifle shooting sport, one of the NRA sanctioned categories is called Service Rifle which includes AR-15’s in 5.56/ .223. Are you saying the NRA is wrong? Would it have been better if the cop used an elephant gun?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle#Service_Rifle

    The people who pull this “I’m a weapons expert and you know nothing about guns and should just shut up” are full of beans.

    1st of all, half the time, they don’t know what they are talking about to begin with (Alec claiming that a pistol has more penetrating power than a rifle).

    2nd, you don’t need detailed technical knowledge about guns to understand that rifles should not be the weapon of choice for close range police work against a man armed only with a bike lock. The results in this case speak for themselves and so will the jury award/settlement.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    Bringing the wrong firearm to a bike lock fight (between a man armed with a bike lock and an unarmed woman) emphatically should not, and even in California probably will not, result in any criminal charge, despite the tragic results. As for a civil suit, I think the PD has a good defense, however, IANAL, and the municipality (LA?) may settle anyway, for political reasons, as is common in big cities, possibly for a very high amount.

    PS, in a locally famous case in Chicago a few years ago, a man premeditatedly murdered another man with a bike lock in a commuter train station.

    Replies: @res, @Jack D

    , @Adept
    @Jack D

    .223/5.56x45mm is technically an "intermediate cartridge." Not as powerful as the guns that are usually called "high power rifles" -- which typically start at 7.62x51mm chamberings and get larger from there -- but much more powerful than handguns, SMGs, PDWs.

    But this is semantics. Hair-splitting. "But ackshually..."

    (Speaking of "but ackshually," there are exceptions to both of the statements I've made above. .22-250 and .270 Winchester are pretty small, but nobody can say that they aren't high powered rifles and keep a straight face. On the other side of the coin, Bubba's hot hand-loaded .44 Magnum rounds can be more powerful than most intermediate rifle rounds. But these are all uncommon.)

    The bottom line is that this is an example of laughably poor police work.

    - Dude beating the shit out of a woman with a bike chain in the mall.
    - 911 call.
    - Police show up.
    - Spend 10 minutes forming up and planning how they're going to take dude down.
    - Cops rush in.
    - Negro cop shows up late and breaks formation, "get out of the way, let me get in front with the rifle!"
    - Perp slowly shuffles down an aisle, negro cop shoots him in the back from 25 feet away, before issuing any commands.
    - One round penetrates a wall and hits a 14 year old girl hiding in a dressing room with her mom.
    - Kid dies in moms arms while negro cop tells bike chain victim that she's safe now.

    Nobody should be okay with this. It was shoddy work. The cops didn't know what they were doing, and that poor girl paid the price.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @TWS

    , @TWS
    @Jack D

    Yeah, the nra is wrong. The cartridge is not high power by any objective measure. Should the guy have shot with a half dozen or more other cops presumably with asps, tasers, pepper spray and sheer numbers on their side? All I can say is I would not and leave it at that.

  113. Testing is inegalitarian by definition. The more America corrupts or discards the tests, the better it is America’ing.

  114. @Abolish_public_education
    College placement test administrators should give no clue as to the test format. That will reduce prep/gaming. For example, make 50% of the test -- surprise! -- an essay about ornithology, or maybe ask takers to endure a marathon dance, like in They Shoot Horses.

    I'm sympathetic to AD's point about separate institutions. Haa'vud et. al should institute $2M+ buy-ins, as though they were selling seats on the NYSE.

    If we can't altogether abolish State U's, then we should shrink them down to their original, in-state tuition-free, applied science teaching mission. The top ~3% of a state's young people would be qualified for admission. If necessary, those who can't make the grade in the first year get bumped.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    The top 3% are all Asian. I hope you’re emotionally prepared for that.

    If there’s testing involved, the Asians will win every time. Believe me, they know all about this and are willing to go to great lengths to keep the reputation up.

    Honestly the ivies should just go straight for a racial quota in their admissions (this is already happening, of course) and get the best of this or that group. Trying to be fair in this process is a fool’s errand. Dropping the SAT is a pretty smart move on their part.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @stillCARealist

    The racial component makes no difference to me.

    I also believe that matriculants should be required to "give back" by continuing to reside in their gifting state for several years, at least on a 1 for 1 basis, e.g. the terms of the deal offered by the US mil service academies. Alternatively, the ex-pat's employer, or other sponsor, would have to buyout the obligation (at a premium). You know, the way that USC paid Nebraska in order to sign Coach Riley.

    (I'm sick of [higher] education being sold as "investment". How can a state's taxpayers receive a "return" when their capital asset packs up and leaves, unrestricted, on the day after graduation?)

    , @res
    @stillCARealist


    The top 3% are all Asian.
     
    How do you figure that? Looking at IQ with mean 100 and SD 15 we have the top 2% being a threshold of 130 (+2 SD). If we assume Asians have a higher mean at 110 (this is probably overly high) and US whites are 70% of the population with Asians 6% and use this calculator:
    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects

    We find that whites are 74% of the population above 130. So Asians significantly outperform their population proportion, but by no means are they ALL of the top 3%.

    Dropping the SAT is a pretty smart move on their part.
     
    I think they will be doing this in what they consider their self interest. As discussed elsewhere, SATs will be required and the thresholds will be demanding for those they prefer not to admit (Asians and flyover whites who don't fit some special category) while the SAT will be optional for those they prefer to admit. And they get the bonus of not having the SAT scores of the people they prefer to admit (e.g. lower scoring NAMs, legacies, athletes, celebrities, children of big donors, etc.) dragging down their average scores.
  115. @Jack D
    @TWS

    You're being holier than the Pope. In the High Power Rifle shooting sport, one of the NRA sanctioned categories is called Service Rifle which includes AR-15's in 5.56/ .223. Are you saying the NRA is wrong? Would it have been better if the cop used an elephant gun?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle#Service_Rifle

    The people who pull this "I'm a weapons expert and you know nothing about guns and should just shut up" are full of beans.

    1st of all, half the time, they don't know what they are talking about to begin with (Alec claiming that a pistol has more penetrating power than a rifle).

    2nd, you don't need detailed technical knowledge about guns to understand that rifles should not be the weapon of choice for close range police work against a man armed only with a bike lock. The results in this case speak for themselves and so will the jury award/settlement.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Adept, @TWS

    Bringing the wrong firearm to a bike lock fight (between a man armed with a bike lock and an unarmed woman) emphatically should not, and even in California probably will not, result in any criminal charge, despite the tragic results. As for a civil suit, I think the PD has a good defense, however, IANAL, and the municipality (LA?) may settle anyway, for political reasons, as is common in big cities, possibly for a very high amount.

    PS, in a locally famous case in Chicago a few years ago, a man premeditatedly murdered another man with a bike lock in a commuter train station.

    • Replies: @res
    @Hibernian


    Bringing the wrong firearm to a bike lock fight (between a man armed with a bike lock and an unarmed woman) emphatically should not, and even in California probably will not, result in any criminal charge, despite the tragic results.
     
    If the description of the person with the rifle pushing forward ahead of other police with different weapons is true then I disagree. In a group of people with different weapons PROFESSIONALS should know which is the right tool for the job.
    , @Jack D
    @Hibernian

    If you watch the video, by the time they shoot him, he has moved away from and is no longer a threat to the woman. Maybe the cop feels that he is about to escape and hit other people or that he is going to advance on the cop and hit him with the lock, but there is no longer any immediate threat to the victim.

  116. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why do they need a rifle at all? Sure shooting people with a rifle at close range will stop 10 out of 5 dangerous suspects - that's 200% effective. Not counting the innocent bystanders you kill.

    You really think this is good police work? What if that was your daughter? We'll see how many millions that girl's family gets. There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You'll see the # of bad shoots go way down.

    Replies: @res, @Wilkey

    We’ll see how many millions that girl’s family gets. There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You’ll see the # of bad shoots go way down.

    This.

  117. @Rob
    @Dmitri Fyodorovich


    The rifle-mounted grenade launchers most militaries use is actually a separate weapon attached to the rifle, with its own safety and trigger. So at that point you might as well just give them two rifles.
     
    I checked out the Daewoo K11 the Koreans have. It’s an integrated grenade launcher. The two use the same trigger. The fire selector has “safety,” “single shot,” “three-round burst,” and “grenade.” Same trigger. Sounds like a much convenient form factor, moving a lever from 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock rather than dropping/shouldering the rifle, drawing the grenade launcher, and then firing the grenade.

    Seems to me an equivalent heavy/light round double gun would be better for police to have than having to have two rifles and switching between them. Heck, have 12, 3, 6, 9 selector positions and add a taser. Maybe the necessary trigger pressure could change with safe, ar-15 round, light/slow round, and taser selection so that you have to squeeze much harder to fire a bullet than a taser. Maybe avoid that one poor woman’s fate, shooting the criminal she meant to tase and going to prison.

    Either heavy/light round or gun/taser single device (or heavy round/light round/taser triple weapon) would bring cops closer to having a “set phasers on stun” option. Less geekily, the cop could have less-lethal options along with greater stopping power with the ability to switch between the two/three options quickly.

    It would really be nice if it were easier for police to have less-lethal options at the same time they have the safety of more lethal options.

    Seems to me that a big problem of rifle/grenade launcher single weapon is weight, but that’s much less important for a cop than a soldier. The cop, likely SWAT, won’t be carrying the weapon for n-mile marches.

    I don’t know, but I imagine that whether to draw his gun or his taser is an important decision that a cop has to make in a split second. Integrating the two seems like it would improve officer and civilian safety.

    But I might just be crazy.

    A lower-penetration option on the officer’s rifle could have saved the girl in the dressing room.

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    The Korean one you referenced is interesting. One issue I can see happening is cops switching to grenade instead of safe, or from semi to burst by accident (theoretically this would be avoided by proper training, but theoretically proper training also teaches cops the difference between a taser and a pistol. There’s a bigger tactile difference between a taser and a pistol than between 6 o’clock and 9 o’clock and 12 oclock)
    You would likely need 2 barrels and 2 chambers to make that weapon work with a high-velocity and a low-velocity round. That’s how the K11 looks, and the original design for the XM29 that the Army scrapped.

    [MORE]

    Overall, that’s physically plausible if not necessarily practical yet. Police departments tend not to have R&D budgets for that kind of stuff. Maybe the FBI can develop it, then share it around.
    As I said before, perhaps equipping cops with bolt action rifles isn’t the worst thing it the world, it would force more deliberate aiming due to the slower rate of fire.

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    No grenades for the cops! Well, maybe a flash-bang or tear/pepper gas grenade. The cop over-under gun would be big&fast high penetration round — small&slow low penetration round — (maybe) taser. The idea is that cops would have two less lethal, lower collateral damage options in the same gun. I guess there could be 3 round bursts or even full auto, is that how SWAT rifles work now? The military decided spray & pray was a poor tactic, have the police not caught up yet?

    So, when SWAT goes into a place where there could be innocent people, but there is (they think) an active shooter, they are not going in tasers drawn. They are going in rifles (M16 for LA in the recent incident) drawn. But when they see the suspect has a bike lock in hand, it is not realistic to expect them to drop the M16 and draw a taser. Flipping a selector would take much less time, so it’s more realistic. As it stands, the cops’ M16 only has a fast, high penetration round option. So the cop used that and killed a twelve(?)-year-old. If the cop could have used a small&slow low penetration round, maybe he would have?

    Putting the selector on the deadliest option by accident is certainly possible, but it’s the only option when the cop has an M16 in hand and the suspect retreats out of sight.

    Maybe light&slow metal slug is not the best option? Maybe something between bullet and taser would be better? Like, a rubber bullet without a big charge behind it. Yeah, I know they can kill, but they probably won’t go through Sheetrock.

    In the LA case, maybe the cop really wanted to shoot someone, so he’d have used 5.56mm NATO, but maybe not?

    If the D’s, Brandon (“shoot ‘‘em in the leg. C’mon, man.”) included, want cops to use less-lethal options, then the cops need to have them and feel like they’re going to go home to their families if they use them. Fast switching as the situation calls for seems reasonable.

    As to confusing fire-selector settings, yeah. Huge potential problem. Maybe taser is fired by a side button? Maybe trigger draw weight varies with selection. But it’s better than no option, which is what we have now. I am sure a bunch of cops have drawn their gun because they thought, “if I draw my taser, I could be dead before I can draw my gun.” People must have been shot because of that, So, let them draw their gun, then use the taser if they don’t need the gun immediately.

    Pistol taser under-over combo (plus taser on the off-hand side) for nonSWAT cops might not be a terrible idea, either.

    Thanks for engaging with me, Dmitri.

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich

  118. @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    Bringing the wrong firearm to a bike lock fight (between a man armed with a bike lock and an unarmed woman) emphatically should not, and even in California probably will not, result in any criminal charge, despite the tragic results. As for a civil suit, I think the PD has a good defense, however, IANAL, and the municipality (LA?) may settle anyway, for political reasons, as is common in big cities, possibly for a very high amount.

    PS, in a locally famous case in Chicago a few years ago, a man premeditatedly murdered another man with a bike lock in a commuter train station.

    Replies: @res, @Jack D

    Bringing the wrong firearm to a bike lock fight (between a man armed with a bike lock and an unarmed woman) emphatically should not, and even in California probably will not, result in any criminal charge, despite the tragic results.

    If the description of the person with the rifle pushing forward ahead of other police with different weapons is true then I disagree. In a group of people with different weapons PROFESSIONALS should know which is the right tool for the job.

  119. @as
    I work in software for a FANG company. Two of the smartest guys I know here (white men) went to good but not top universities.

    Are people who train fanatically for the SAT really coming out ahead? It would seem that it would condition your brain in the wrong kind of way.

    Replies: @No jack London, @Mike_from_SGV, @International Jew

    Top programmers are often guys who weren’t math wiz kids and didn’t go to great colleges. That’s because the skills you need for 98% of software jobs aren’t quite what those math wiz kids bring to the table. It’s more like: a great memory (to keep straight the thousands of file names, variable names, function names in a large system), tolerance for some slop and awkwardness in the software other people have written, and a willingness to put in long hours. That’s not to say a math wiz can’t also have those skills, only that for every one that does, there are ten more ordinary guys that happen to have those skills.

    2% of software jobs are more like math — things based on lots of accumulated science and experience that no one can just pull out of his ass, like compilers, AI, numerical and graphical algorithms.

    • Replies: @Philip Neal
    @International Jew

    True, but there is an intermediate category to which I belong. Most people with high verbal intelligence find continuous mathematics at university level impossible, but we have little difficulty with discrete maths and we can do work which is beyond most people but beneath the dignity of real mathematicians.

    In the late 1990s I applied for a job of this kind in the software department of a company whose business was supplying employers with psychometric tests of potential and actual employees. Since they ate their own dogfood, they gave the tests to job applicants including me. I don't remember the details, but the intelligence tests were pure Eysenck: three dimensions of g and possibly ten of personality. You could walk them if you knew that the key to logic problems is negating the conclusion, and that division by 1/2 is the same as multiplication by 2.

    The test was pencil and paper, multiple choice, taken alone in a room behind a closed door with one hour to complete as many questions as you could. Then you took your answer sheet to the woman in Human Resources to be graded automatically within a minute. Her sharp intake of breath was flattering, and I was waved into the job, but it turned out to be a disappointment.

    Tests were transitioning to the internet, the software department was staffed by mediocrities who were not adequate to the new reality, and a year or two later we were sacked and replaced by equally mediocre Indian software developers. I now see that the real brains in the place were the graduates in psychology, people who understood principal components analysis and probably eigenvectors and all that lies beyond.

  120. @Chrisnonymous
    @Anon

    Agree. Any field that requires a licensing exam of some kind could dispense with college degree requirements altogether. Cambridge (and other universities?) even has a system in which applicants can submit independent work to be assessed for a PhD. This is how Aubrey de Grey, the longevity researcher, got his.

    The sclerotic education system is currently benefiting public school teachers and college administrators. Break the public school system and reduce the number of universities substantially. There would be massive economic benefits as well as reducing leftist influence on society.

    Replies: @guest007

    But di de Grey still have to go through oral exams before the dissertation defense?

  121. @Alfa158
    I see a potential problem with reason number one you cited.
    You wrote it might help really smart White kids from Decatur get into elite universities. The creeps who run our universities don’t want really smart White kids from Decatur to get in. They want smart enough to barely scrape by Black kids from Birmingham. Any reform that they think might help the former to get in will be rejected.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Almost Missouri, @Jack P

    Correct. Steve seems to imply that the people in charge have good intentions but are misguided. Of course not. They are vile, corrupt scum who want nothing less than to help a smart, non-connected white boy succeed.

    I do agree the proposed changes are pretty good. But it seems to me the Ivy League would love to get rid of all whites not playing hockey, lacrosse, etc.

  122. @S. Anonyia
    @Alfa158

    I think smart white kids from Decatur are better off ditching elite universities in the first place.

    Graduates from large public state schools have just as good of prospects as graduates of Ivy League or quasi Ivy League elite colleges.

    I attended a suburban public high school in the South where virtually nobody test-prepped yet about 30 out of of 300 of us had very good ACT/SAT scores; the one guy from my graduating class who made it to an Ivy League school hasn’t done anything noteworthy with his degree yet. He doesn’t even seem financially stable. He’s also gay, but that’s an unrelated tidbit,

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack P

    It’s not unrelated that he’s gay, and you must get that.

    I do agree that smart red state whites should forget the Ivies and fortify their state flagship schools. But that also requires those state governments taking control of their universities and kicking out the commies. So far they’ve been late to the party on that.

  123. @Mike Tre
    Expiring Raiders: John Madden has died.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nfl-legend-john-madden-unexpectedly-died-tuesday-morning


    https://youtu.be/XBW7ysPcbT0

    Replies: @Jack P

    So funny. What happened to Caliendo, haven’t heard much from him lately.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Jack P

    I would guess that all the people worth imitating the way he does are off limits. I saw Caliendo live a few years back. He actually stated that he does not do impressions of women for personal reasons.

  124. @No jack London
    @as

    Chuck Schumer had a 1600 SAT.

    Replies: @Erik L

    Chuck Schumer taught test prep and took it a lot of times and got a 1600 probably once

  125. @Alden
    @SafeNow

    The adaptive tests are incredibly unfair to Whites and Asians. They’re also used in some occupational and professional certification exams.

    Don’t just check black on your application. Click on several wrong answers the first 15 questions and just sail through the test with a high score.

    All this Christian Western European ethics won’t help American Whites. The only way we can survive; just survive is to be as crooked and criminal as blacks and other non Whites.

    None of the UNZ naive writers and readers who discuss testing read mandarin Cantonese Korean and other Asian languages. According to my friend Xaibo aka Bob, the Asian language internet and community newspapers are full of ads for “ absolute guaranteed high score” test prep courses. Aka we will help you cheat.

    Sign up for one of those courses and you will get a very high score. Here’s a few ways.

    1 Give your ID to one of our professional test takers. Sex height needs to more or less match. The woman test takers all have 3 or 4 wigs. Easy matches when everyone has straight black hair dark brown slants eyes white to light tan skin and average 5’7 for men 5’2 for women. There are plenty of professional test takers who are taller than the average Asian.

    The test administrators learned about this and now often require a police fingerprint card along with the application. Easy solution. Professional test taker takes the official dr license of the person they plan to impersonate to have prints taken. The applications are online nowadays and the fingerprint card is supposed to be scanned in.

    2 A tiny plug that goes into the ears. Hair should be worn to cover the ears. . A voice says question 1 the answer is B question 2 the answer is D

    3 There was a big scandal a few years ago in California. Special pencils and eye glasses. The pencils looked like standard # 2 yellow pencils. But put the glasses on and the test takers can see all the question numbers and letters of the correct answers on the pencil. 1-D. 2-C

    I’m sure there’s more. As Kipling said “ here lies the man who tried to beat the east”

    Ignore testing. Just check the black box. Do it when your kids start kindergarten. They won’t even have to apply for jobs. They will get job offers from every government agency and big corporations starting the first month of third year of college.

    Replies: @thomasblair, @Alden, @Wilkey

    All this Christian Western European ethics won’t help American Whites. The only way we can survive; just survive is to be as crooked and criminal as blacks and other non Whites.

    While it’s tempting to embrace this attitude, the problem is that most of the people whites would be cheating would be other whites. It’s an attitude that may work fine when you are a minority, especially a small minority. It doesn’t work so well when you are in the majority (even if just barely). You’re just shitting your own nest. For an example of how Asian attitudes towards cheating work in Asian countries see China.

    Western countries are nice because whites, for the most part, don’t take kindly to cheating.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  126. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Why do they need a rifle at all? Sure shooting people with a rifle at close range will stop 10 out of 5 dangerous suspects - that's 200% effective. Not counting the innocent bystanders you kill.

    You really think this is good police work? What if that was your daughter? We'll see how many millions that girl's family gets. There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You'll see the # of bad shoots go way down.

    Replies: @res, @Wilkey

    There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You’ll see the # of bad shoots go way down.

    And the number of violent crimes go way, way up.

    Police work is a dangerous profession, and comes with risks. Punishing too harshly officers who take reasonable risks has severe consequences.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    It turns out that police work is not particularly dangerous compared to being, say, a cab driver. People who enter this profession should be willing to assume a reasonable amount of risk and not shift that risk 100% onto the public. This includes continuing to do their job and not retiring to the donut shop just because they no longer have unlimited license to shoot. How many innocent lives are the police justified in taking in order to save 1 police life? Is there any limit?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Wilkey


    Police work is a dangerous profession, and comes with risks.
     
    And one of those risks is exposing themselves to danger in order to protect the public. And that means sometimes not being the first to shoot. That's part of the job (or ought to be).

    Replies: @Jack D

  127. @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    Bringing the wrong firearm to a bike lock fight (between a man armed with a bike lock and an unarmed woman) emphatically should not, and even in California probably will not, result in any criminal charge, despite the tragic results. As for a civil suit, I think the PD has a good defense, however, IANAL, and the municipality (LA?) may settle anyway, for political reasons, as is common in big cities, possibly for a very high amount.

    PS, in a locally famous case in Chicago a few years ago, a man premeditatedly murdered another man with a bike lock in a commuter train station.

    Replies: @res, @Jack D

    If you watch the video, by the time they shoot him, he has moved away from and is no longer a threat to the woman. Maybe the cop feels that he is about to escape and hit other people or that he is going to advance on the cop and hit him with the lock, but there is no longer any immediate threat to the victim.

  128. @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You’ll see the # of bad shoots go way down.
     
    And the number of violent crimes go way, way up.

    Police work is a dangerous profession, and comes with risks. Punishing too harshly officers who take reasonable risks has severe consequences.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

    It turns out that police work is not particularly dangerous compared to being, say, a cab driver. People who enter this profession should be willing to assume a reasonable amount of risk and not shift that risk 100% onto the public. This includes continuing to do their job and not retiring to the donut shop just because they no longer have unlimited license to shoot. How many innocent lives are the police justified in taking in order to save 1 police life? Is there any limit?

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, res
  129. @Paperback Writer
    @Mr. Anon

    We don't know what happened. A few news reports prove nothing. It appears that the store was cleared out, the cops in good faith believed that it was empty, and there was no intent on their side to harm anyone. But I don't know. Let's wait for more facts.

    Cops are civil servants empowered by the state to do a lot of things that "civilians" cannot.

    The narrative of cops gone wild is ridiculous. We've been through this with Derek Chauvin - the WaPo database shows very few such incidents.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    We don’t know what happened. A few news reports prove nothing. It appears that the store was cleared out, the cops in good faith believed that it was empty, and there was no intent on their side to harm anyone. But I don’t know. Let’s wait for more facts.

    Nobody is saying they intended to harm anyone, only that they were reckless.

    The narrative of cops gone wild is ridiculous.

    No, not entirely. Yes, the George Floyd thing and other similar instances were ridiculous. But cops often do stupid things, act recklessly or even malevolently, and injure or kill people they shouldn’t, and get away with it.

  130. @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    There should be a new law that these settlements/ jury awards come out of the police pension fund instead of from the taxpayers. You’ll see the # of bad shoots go way down.
     
    And the number of violent crimes go way, way up.

    Police work is a dangerous profession, and comes with risks. Punishing too harshly officers who take reasonable risks has severe consequences.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Mr. Anon

    Police work is a dangerous profession, and comes with risks.

    And one of those risks is exposing themselves to danger in order to protect the public. And that means sometimes not being the first to shoot. That’s part of the job (or ought to be).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    In this particular case (criminal armed only with a bike lock) they were going to be the 1st to shoot no matter how long they waited. It's true he had a bike lock that could be used as a weapon but there were apparently something like 10 cops on the scene. In the old days they would have surrounded him and beaten the crap out of him with their night sticks in order to give him a memorable lesson that you should never try to hit a cop. Of course they can't do that any more due to body cams so they shot him (and another innocent) instead. They don't even have night sticks anymore. It's true that now and then they would kill someone with their nightsticks, but "Police reform" has made it more, not less likely that the cops will shoot you.

    In part this is a technological issue - no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon. Tasers are a joke.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jim Don Bob

  131. Being smart helps a lot but having good social skills helps too. My sister got 800 in English and high 600 in math. She was a National Merit Scholar, top 1/2 of 1% scores on SAT’s. She married a National Merit Scholar. They are book bright and street-dumb in many ways, he especially. They have 3 very bright offspring. The smartest is female with few social skills, single and middle-class. The 2 sons have good social skills and are well positioned career- wise with happy families.
    My son was in a Microsoft location in Seattle area for non-technical reasons. He saw a room full of Indians hunched over computers. They were not social. Son said they were jerks. If they overstay their visas, will they be a good addition to US?

  132. @stillCARealist
    @Abolish_public_education

    The top 3% are all Asian. I hope you're emotionally prepared for that.

    If there's testing involved, the Asians will win every time. Believe me, they know all about this and are willing to go to great lengths to keep the reputation up.

    Honestly the ivies should just go straight for a racial quota in their admissions (this is already happening, of course) and get the best of this or that group. Trying to be fair in this process is a fool's errand. Dropping the SAT is a pretty smart move on their part.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @res

    The racial component makes no difference to me.

    I also believe that matriculants should be required to “give back” by continuing to reside in their gifting state for several years, at least on a 1 for 1 basis, e.g. the terms of the deal offered by the US mil service academies. Alternatively, the ex-pat’s employer, or other sponsor, would have to buyout the obligation (at a premium). You know, the way that USC paid Nebraska in order to sign Coach Riley.

    (I’m sick of [higher] education being sold as “investment”. How can a state’s taxpayers receive a “return” when their capital asset packs up and leaves, unrestricted, on the day after graduation?)

  133. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of school districts give K-2nd graders the CogAT test for entry into their gifted programs. The test is supposedly a pure IQ test with lots of analogies. In places where there are a lot of Asian kids, they still dominate the gifted cohorts.

    Test prep centers are now popping up to prep K-2nd graders on the CogAT, charging several hundred dollars for a few weeks’ prep, which is madness and I wonder about their efficacy. I’ve seen many kids who attended these prep classes and still didn’t get in.

    Same goes for the SAT. The College Board advise kids to take the test 3 times, and said they will usually see the biggest jump in scores on the second test. This certainly held true for my kids. The only prep they got was taking the 4 sample tests on SAT’s website before their first test. Both improved by about 100 points between the first and second test, and only tens of points in the third.

    I think the efficacy of test prep is overblown, analogy or otherwise.

    Regardless, I won’t be sorry to see the SAT go. Let our elite colleges accept as many dumbos as they like. They deserve to go down in flames.

  134. @Mr. Anon
    @Wilkey


    Police work is a dangerous profession, and comes with risks.
     
    And one of those risks is exposing themselves to danger in order to protect the public. And that means sometimes not being the first to shoot. That's part of the job (or ought to be).

    Replies: @Jack D

    In this particular case (criminal armed only with a bike lock) they were going to be the 1st to shoot no matter how long they waited. It’s true he had a bike lock that could be used as a weapon but there were apparently something like 10 cops on the scene. In the old days they would have surrounded him and beaten the crap out of him with their night sticks in order to give him a memorable lesson that you should never try to hit a cop. Of course they can’t do that any more due to body cams so they shot him (and another innocent) instead. They don’t even have night sticks anymore. It’s true that now and then they would kill someone with their nightsticks, but “Police reform” has made it more, not less likely that the cops will shoot you.

    In part this is a technological issue – no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon. Tasers are a joke.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    In the old days they would have surrounded him and beaten the crap out of him with their night sticks in order to give him a memorable lesson that you should never try to hit a cop
     
    Now you're making sense. I think you mean hit people with bicycle locks.

    no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon.

     

    The Chinese (or the Singaporeans, I forget which ) have. It looks like a giant fork. It's long, and can immobilize a suspect. It was meant for situations just like like this. But it looks terrible. Try that in this country and you'll have BLM and Co. screaming their brains out. So we have cops with AR-15s.

    Replies: @The Wobbly Guy

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jack D


    In part this is a technological issue – no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon. Tasers are a joke.
     
    Right. It used to be
    1) night sticks - which look bad on tv but are very persuasive. Trust me, I've seen it.
    2) tasers - which don't work very well and can be confused with guns
    3) guns

    #1 and #2 are now off the table so cops go straight to #3
  135. @Jack D
    @TWS

    You're being holier than the Pope. In the High Power Rifle shooting sport, one of the NRA sanctioned categories is called Service Rifle which includes AR-15's in 5.56/ .223. Are you saying the NRA is wrong? Would it have been better if the cop used an elephant gun?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle#Service_Rifle

    The people who pull this "I'm a weapons expert and you know nothing about guns and should just shut up" are full of beans.

    1st of all, half the time, they don't know what they are talking about to begin with (Alec claiming that a pistol has more penetrating power than a rifle).

    2nd, you don't need detailed technical knowledge about guns to understand that rifles should not be the weapon of choice for close range police work against a man armed only with a bike lock. The results in this case speak for themselves and so will the jury award/settlement.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Adept, @TWS

    .223/5.56x45mm is technically an “intermediate cartridge.” Not as powerful as the guns that are usually called “high power rifles” — which typically start at 7.62x51mm chamberings and get larger from there — but much more powerful than handguns, SMGs, PDWs.

    But this is semantics. Hair-splitting. “But ackshually…”

    (Speaking of “but ackshually,” there are exceptions to both of the statements I’ve made above. .22-250 and .270 Winchester are pretty small, but nobody can say that they aren’t high powered rifles and keep a straight face. On the other side of the coin, Bubba’s hot hand-loaded .44 Magnum rounds can be more powerful than most intermediate rifle rounds. But these are all uncommon.)

    The bottom line is that this is an example of laughably poor police work.

    – Dude beating the shit out of a woman with a bike chain in the mall.
    – 911 call.
    – Police show up.
    – Spend 10 minutes forming up and planning how they’re going to take dude down.
    – Cops rush in.
    – Negro cop shows up late and breaks formation, “get out of the way, let me get in front with the rifle!”
    – Perp slowly shuffles down an aisle, negro cop shoots him in the back from 25 feet away, before issuing any commands.
    – One round penetrates a wall and hits a 14 year old girl hiding in a dressing room with her mom.
    – Kid dies in moms arms while negro cop tells bike chain victim that she’s safe now.

    Nobody should be okay with this. It was shoddy work. The cops didn’t know what they were doing, and that poor girl paid the price.

    • Agree: Jack D, TWS
    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @Adept

    A Negro cop pulled the trigger? So, are we Whites off the hook on this one?

    , @TWS
    @Adept

    I don't know how police got to where they are now. Perhaps because you cannot hire for nor can you train character into most adults. Perhaps because you can't have real height weight standards when you need to include women. The californication of police started in the seventies. They were far more badge heavy and way more authoritarian and shooty than others. I think the diaspora of California cops was a disaster for the destination states.

  136. @Jack P
    @Mike Tre

    So funny. What happened to Caliendo, haven't heard much from him lately.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    I would guess that all the people worth imitating the way he does are off limits. I saw Caliendo live a few years back. He actually stated that he does not do impressions of women for personal reasons.

  137. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    In this particular case (criminal armed only with a bike lock) they were going to be the 1st to shoot no matter how long they waited. It's true he had a bike lock that could be used as a weapon but there were apparently something like 10 cops on the scene. In the old days they would have surrounded him and beaten the crap out of him with their night sticks in order to give him a memorable lesson that you should never try to hit a cop. Of course they can't do that any more due to body cams so they shot him (and another innocent) instead. They don't even have night sticks anymore. It's true that now and then they would kill someone with their nightsticks, but "Police reform" has made it more, not less likely that the cops will shoot you.

    In part this is a technological issue - no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon. Tasers are a joke.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jim Don Bob

    In the old days they would have surrounded him and beaten the crap out of him with their night sticks in order to give him a memorable lesson that you should never try to hit a cop

    Now you’re making sense. I think you mean hit people with bicycle locks.

    no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon.

    The Chinese (or the Singaporeans, I forget which ) have. It looks like a giant fork. It’s long, and can immobilize a suspect. It was meant for situations just like like this. But it looks terrible. Try that in this country and you’ll have BLM and Co. screaming their brains out. So we have cops with AR-15s.

    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
    @Paperback Writer

    It's China, not Sg. If we had it, you wouldn't get wacky scenes like this.
    https://mothership.sg/2020/08/man-tased-esplanade/

    Tasers don't work. The fact our police can't really handle a semi-violent guy is a testament to our highly controlled fascist state, with violence so rare that most of the rank-and-file cops don't have much experience dealing with tougher situations.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  138. anon[966] • Disclaimer says:

    I think the discrimination against Asian applicants mainly boils down to Asians tending to be a lot more introverted and shy compared to other groups. This is probably the “personality” component mentioned by Harvard. Generally speaking, people who are extroverted tend to ascend social hierarchies and attain leadership positions. In terms of success and social leadership, someone who’s intelligent and quite extroverted will tend to outcompete someone who’s more intelligent but very shy and introverted.

    This also seems to be a factor in Jewish success. Jews don’t just have the highest mean IQ, but also tend to be quite extraverted and loquacious, especially relative to their intelligence level.

    • Replies: @74v56ruthiyj
    @anon

    I am absolutely in favor of discriminating against Orientals. When they get power, they will surely discriminate against everybody else. A local Methodist church allowed a Korean congregation to share the property. 20 years later, having brought in several hundred of their race and taken over various committees, they told the old White ladies of the quilting ministry that they could no longer store their stuff on the premises. We don't need them, and they will be a long term problem even worse than Blacks.

  139. @SafeNow
    Asians gain about 70 points from prep courses, whites about 20. I read an article attributing this prep-gap mainly to the existence of Asian “neighborhood cram schools.” Cramming would be the opposite of years&years of tigering. Asian self-segregation into neighborhoods really pays off because it is feasible for cram schools to locate there. Blacks also live in neighborhoods, but, um, ….

    Replies: @Alden, @Muggles, @Hi There

    I did very well on the late 60s (hard) SAT and ACT tests.

    Zero test prepping where I lived. Back then very rare.

    Did well enough to get admitted to two highly selective private schools. Where I attended was a small but highly SAT selected student body.

    So I was about average there. Upon arrival I heard tell of a guy who had a perfect SAT score (1600) which made me cringe. A kid from the sticks on a curve with that? For me, then, dropping out meant Hello Vietnam.

    So maybe a diamond in the rough. Back then, 4/5 of the students were male, mostly whites.

    Now, so I hear, over half female and many Asians. They are trying to be Woke.

    If we don’t hold to the older selective criteria (at selective schools) then China and elsewhere will.

    Sure tests can be better designed. But when your surgeon is opening up your skull, do you want Woke or Merit holding the scalpel? No cheating or “bonus Woke” points either.

  140. @Redneck farmer
    @74v56ruthiyj

    A .30-30 is more likely to over penetrate a target than a .223.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

    I did not know that. Color me surprised. So, a lever action in .357/.38 instead, using hollow points? They exist, and if police departments started ordering them, they would be produced. Something, anyway, that will accurately deliver adequate but not excessive power to a range of 100 yards. Anything more should be limited to trained snipers.

  141. @Adept
    @Jack D

    .223/5.56x45mm is technically an "intermediate cartridge." Not as powerful as the guns that are usually called "high power rifles" -- which typically start at 7.62x51mm chamberings and get larger from there -- but much more powerful than handguns, SMGs, PDWs.

    But this is semantics. Hair-splitting. "But ackshually..."

    (Speaking of "but ackshually," there are exceptions to both of the statements I've made above. .22-250 and .270 Winchester are pretty small, but nobody can say that they aren't high powered rifles and keep a straight face. On the other side of the coin, Bubba's hot hand-loaded .44 Magnum rounds can be more powerful than most intermediate rifle rounds. But these are all uncommon.)

    The bottom line is that this is an example of laughably poor police work.

    - Dude beating the shit out of a woman with a bike chain in the mall.
    - 911 call.
    - Police show up.
    - Spend 10 minutes forming up and planning how they're going to take dude down.
    - Cops rush in.
    - Negro cop shows up late and breaks formation, "get out of the way, let me get in front with the rifle!"
    - Perp slowly shuffles down an aisle, negro cop shoots him in the back from 25 feet away, before issuing any commands.
    - One round penetrates a wall and hits a 14 year old girl hiding in a dressing room with her mom.
    - Kid dies in moms arms while negro cop tells bike chain victim that she's safe now.

    Nobody should be okay with this. It was shoddy work. The cops didn't know what they were doing, and that poor girl paid the price.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @TWS

    A Negro cop pulled the trigger? So, are we Whites off the hook on this one?

  142. @anon
    I think the discrimination against Asian applicants mainly boils down to Asians tending to be a lot more introverted and shy compared to other groups. This is probably the "personality" component mentioned by Harvard. Generally speaking, people who are extroverted tend to ascend social hierarchies and attain leadership positions. In terms of success and social leadership, someone who's intelligent and quite extroverted will tend to outcompete someone who's more intelligent but very shy and introverted.

    This also seems to be a factor in Jewish success. Jews don't just have the highest mean IQ, but also tend to be quite extraverted and loquacious, especially relative to their intelligence level.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj

    I am absolutely in favor of discriminating against Orientals. When they get power, they will surely discriminate against everybody else. A local Methodist church allowed a Korean congregation to share the property. 20 years later, having brought in several hundred of their race and taken over various committees, they told the old White ladies of the quilting ministry that they could no longer store their stuff on the premises. We don’t need them, and they will be a long term problem even worse than Blacks.

  143. 40,000+ words in the English language.

    That plus sign is doing some heavy lifting. The OED has over 600,000 definitions.
    As you’re not Asian I’ll do the math: Factor of 15.

  144. @stillCARealist
    @Abolish_public_education

    The top 3% are all Asian. I hope you're emotionally prepared for that.

    If there's testing involved, the Asians will win every time. Believe me, they know all about this and are willing to go to great lengths to keep the reputation up.

    Honestly the ivies should just go straight for a racial quota in their admissions (this is already happening, of course) and get the best of this or that group. Trying to be fair in this process is a fool's errand. Dropping the SAT is a pretty smart move on their part.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @res

    The top 3% are all Asian.

    How do you figure that? Looking at IQ with mean 100 and SD 15 we have the top 2% being a threshold of 130 (+2 SD). If we assume Asians have a higher mean at 110 (this is probably overly high) and US whites are 70% of the population with Asians 6% and use this calculator:
    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/understanding_statistics/?app=tail_effects

    We find that whites are 74% of the population above 130. So Asians significantly outperform their population proportion, but by no means are they ALL of the top 3%.

    Dropping the SAT is a pretty smart move on their part.

    I think they will be doing this in what they consider their self interest. As discussed elsewhere, SATs will be required and the thresholds will be demanding for those they prefer not to admit (Asians and flyover whites who don’t fit some special category) while the SAT will be optional for those they prefer to admit. And they get the bonus of not having the SAT scores of the people they prefer to admit (e.g. lower scoring NAMs, legacies, athletes, celebrities, children of big donors, etc.) dragging down their average scores.

  145. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    As discussed elsewhere, SATs will be required and the thresholds will be demanding for those they prefer not to admit (Asians and flyover whites who don’t fit some special category) while the SAT will be optional for those they prefer to admit.

    To be a rowing recruit at Harvard and other elite schools, you have to submit your “2K erg score”. This refers to your fastest time rowing 2,000 meters on the rowing machine or “ergometer” which you might have seen in your local gym. How well you do on the 2K determines your chances of being a recruit and getting in.

    Theoretically, Harvard could make all its applicants do the 2K and submit their scores, but that’s not necessary since they’re only interested in a small portion of the student body being on the rowing team. So only that portion of applicants intending to be on the rowing team does and submits the 2K score.

    Harvard may be taking this approach with the SAT. The SAT score would be something you’d need if you were just a generic academic student or intending to focus on math or whatever.

  146. @International Jew
    @as

    Top programmers are often guys who weren't math wiz kids and didn't go to great colleges. That's because the skills you need for 98% of software jobs aren't quite what those math wiz kids bring to the table. It's more like: a great memory (to keep straight the thousands of file names, variable names, function names in a large system), tolerance for some slop and awkwardness in the software other people have written, and a willingness to put in long hours. That's not to say a math wiz can't also have those skills, only that for every one that does, there are ten more ordinary guys that happen to have those skills.

    2% of software jobs are more like math — things based on lots of accumulated science and experience that no one can just pull out of his ass, like compilers, AI, numerical and graphical algorithms.

    Replies: @Philip Neal

    True, but there is an intermediate category to which I belong. Most people with high verbal intelligence find continuous mathematics at university level impossible, but we have little difficulty with discrete maths and we can do work which is beyond most people but beneath the dignity of real mathematicians.

    In the late 1990s I applied for a job of this kind in the software department of a company whose business was supplying employers with psychometric tests of potential and actual employees. Since they ate their own dogfood, they gave the tests to job applicants including me. I don’t remember the details, but the intelligence tests were pure Eysenck: three dimensions of g and possibly ten of personality. You could walk them if you knew that the key to logic problems is negating the conclusion, and that division by 1/2 is the same as multiplication by 2.

    The test was pencil and paper, multiple choice, taken alone in a room behind a closed door with one hour to complete as many questions as you could. Then you took your answer sheet to the woman in Human Resources to be graded automatically within a minute. Her sharp intake of breath was flattering, and I was waved into the job, but it turned out to be a disappointment.

    Tests were transitioning to the internet, the software department was staffed by mediocrities who were not adequate to the new reality, and a year or two later we were sacked and replaced by equally mediocre Indian software developers. I now see that the real brains in the place were the graduates in psychology, people who understood principal components analysis and probably eigenvectors and all that lies beyond.

  147. True, but there is an intermediate category to which I belong. Most people with high verbal intelligence find continuous mathematics at university level impossible, but we have little difficulty with discrete maths and we can do work which is beyond most people but beneath the dignity of real mathematicians.

    In the late 1990s I applied for a job of this kind in the software department of a company whose business was supplying employers with psychometric tests of potential and actual employees. Since they ate their own dogfood, they gave the tests to job applicants including me. I don’t remember the details, but the intelligence tests were pure Eysenck: three dimensions of g and possibly ten of personality. You could walk them if you knew that the key to logic problems is negating the conclusion, and that division by 1/2 is the same as multiplication by 2.

    The test conditions were pencil and paper, multiple choice, taken alone in a room behind a closed door with one hour to complete as many questions as you could. Then you took your answer sheet to the woman in Human Resources to be graded automatically within a minute. Her sharp intake of breath was flattering, and I was waved into the job, but it turned out to be a disappointment.

    Tests were transitioning to the internet, the software department was staffed by mediocrities who were not adequate to the new reality, and a year or two later we were sacked and replaced by equally mediocre Indian software developers. I now see that the real brains in the place were the graduates in psychology, people who understood principal components analysis and probably eigenvectors and all that lies beyond.

  148. @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Rob

    The Korean one you referenced is interesting. One issue I can see happening is cops switching to grenade instead of safe, or from semi to burst by accident (theoretically this would be avoided by proper training, but theoretically proper training also teaches cops the difference between a taser and a pistol. There's a bigger tactile difference between a taser and a pistol than between 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock and 12 oclock)
    You would likely need 2 barrels and 2 chambers to make that weapon work with a high-velocity and a low-velocity round. That's how the K11 looks, and the original design for the XM29 that the Army scrapped.

    Overall, that's physically plausible if not necessarily practical yet. Police departments tend not to have R&D budgets for that kind of stuff. Maybe the FBI can develop it, then share it around.
    As I said before, perhaps equipping cops with bolt action rifles isn't the worst thing it the world, it would force more deliberate aiming due to the slower rate of fire.

    Replies: @Rob

    No grenades for the cops! Well, maybe a flash-bang or tear/pepper gas grenade. The cop over-under gun would be big&fast high penetration round — small&slow low penetration round — (maybe) taser. The idea is that cops would have two less lethal, lower collateral damage options in the same gun. I guess there could be 3 round bursts or even full auto, is that how SWAT rifles work now? The military decided spray & pray was a poor tactic, have the police not caught up yet?

    So, when SWAT goes into a place where there could be innocent people, but there is (they think) an active shooter, they are not going in tasers drawn. They are going in rifles (M16 for LA in the recent incident) drawn. But when they see the suspect has a bike lock in hand, it is not realistic to expect them to drop the M16 and draw a taser. Flipping a selector would take much less time, so it’s more realistic. As it stands, the cops’ M16 only has a fast, high penetration round option. So the cop used that and killed a twelve(?)-year-old. If the cop could have used a small&slow low penetration round, maybe he would have?

    Putting the selector on the deadliest option by accident is certainly possible, but it’s the only option when the cop has an M16 in hand and the suspect retreats out of sight.

    Maybe light&slow metal slug is not the best option? Maybe something between bullet and taser would be better? Like, a rubber bullet without a big charge behind it. Yeah, I know they can kill, but they probably won’t go through Sheetrock.

    In the LA case, maybe the cop really wanted to shoot someone, so he’d have used 5.56mm NATO, but maybe not?

    If the D’s, Brandon (“shoot ‘‘em in the leg. C’mon, man.”) included, want cops to use less-lethal options, then the cops need to have them and feel like they’re going to go home to their families if they use them. Fast switching as the situation calls for seems reasonable.

    As to confusing fire-selector settings, yeah. Huge potential problem. Maybe taser is fired by a side button? Maybe trigger draw weight varies with selection. But it’s better than no option, which is what we have now. I am sure a bunch of cops have drawn their gun because they thought, “if I draw my taser, I could be dead before I can draw my gun.” People must have been shot because of that, So, let them draw their gun, then use the taser if they don’t need the gun immediately.

    Pistol taser under-over combo (plus taser on the off-hand side) for nonSWAT cops might not be a terrible idea, either.

    Thanks for engaging with me, Dmitri.

    • Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich
    @Rob

    I actually rather like your idea for a over/under double barrel weapon. Again, getting it R&D'd would be the biggest obstacle at that point.
    Also, maybe train cops better? Rifles are good for long-range engagements and shoot-outs, but once they are inside the building with the suspect, have the guys with pistols lead? If the nutter barricades himself inside somewhere, then bring up the guy with the rifle.
    Contrary to most Hollywood portrayals I've seen, pistols beat rifles in close-in situations. Easier to control, easier to re-aim, harder for the other person to grab.

  149. @Jack D
    @Mr. Anon

    In this particular case (criminal armed only with a bike lock) they were going to be the 1st to shoot no matter how long they waited. It's true he had a bike lock that could be used as a weapon but there were apparently something like 10 cops on the scene. In the old days they would have surrounded him and beaten the crap out of him with their night sticks in order to give him a memorable lesson that you should never try to hit a cop. Of course they can't do that any more due to body cams so they shot him (and another innocent) instead. They don't even have night sticks anymore. It's true that now and then they would kill someone with their nightsticks, but "Police reform" has made it more, not less likely that the cops will shoot you.

    In part this is a technological issue - no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon. Tasers are a joke.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Jim Don Bob

    In part this is a technological issue – no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon. Tasers are a joke.

    Right. It used to be
    1) night sticks – which look bad on tv but are very persuasive. Trust me, I’ve seen it.
    2) tasers – which don’t work very well and can be confused with guns
    3) guns

    #1 and #2 are now off the table so cops go straight to #3

  150. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    In the old days they would have surrounded him and beaten the crap out of him with their night sticks in order to give him a memorable lesson that you should never try to hit a cop
     
    Now you're making sense. I think you mean hit people with bicycle locks.

    no one has ever come up with a good non-lethal weapon.

     

    The Chinese (or the Singaporeans, I forget which ) have. It looks like a giant fork. It's long, and can immobilize a suspect. It was meant for situations just like like this. But it looks terrible. Try that in this country and you'll have BLM and Co. screaming their brains out. So we have cops with AR-15s.

    Replies: @The Wobbly Guy

    It’s China, not Sg. If we had it, you wouldn’t get wacky scenes like this.
    https://mothership.sg/2020/08/man-tased-esplanade/

    Tasers don’t work. The fact our police can’t really handle a semi-violent guy is a testament to our highly controlled fascist state, with violence so rare that most of the rank-and-file cops don’t have much experience dealing with tougher situations.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @The Wobbly Guy

    Yeah, tasers are crap. Everyone knows they are crap.

    Well, haddya like this? I found pics of the giant fork by googling "China police giant fork."

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-giant-electric-fork-devices-Chinese-armed-forces-are-currently-practicing-with-that-could-potentially-be-used-on-Hong-Kong-protesters

    I didn't realize they could be electrified, tho the Quora people say they usually aren't.

    Sounds like a win. But it won't happen because if we tried this it would still be mostly white cops subduing mostly black crazies, and that would "look bad."

  151. @Rob
    @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    No grenades for the cops! Well, maybe a flash-bang or tear/pepper gas grenade. The cop over-under gun would be big&fast high penetration round — small&slow low penetration round — (maybe) taser. The idea is that cops would have two less lethal, lower collateral damage options in the same gun. I guess there could be 3 round bursts or even full auto, is that how SWAT rifles work now? The military decided spray & pray was a poor tactic, have the police not caught up yet?

    So, when SWAT goes into a place where there could be innocent people, but there is (they think) an active shooter, they are not going in tasers drawn. They are going in rifles (M16 for LA in the recent incident) drawn. But when they see the suspect has a bike lock in hand, it is not realistic to expect them to drop the M16 and draw a taser. Flipping a selector would take much less time, so it’s more realistic. As it stands, the cops’ M16 only has a fast, high penetration round option. So the cop used that and killed a twelve(?)-year-old. If the cop could have used a small&slow low penetration round, maybe he would have?

    Putting the selector on the deadliest option by accident is certainly possible, but it’s the only option when the cop has an M16 in hand and the suspect retreats out of sight.

    Maybe light&slow metal slug is not the best option? Maybe something between bullet and taser would be better? Like, a rubber bullet without a big charge behind it. Yeah, I know they can kill, but they probably won’t go through Sheetrock.

    In the LA case, maybe the cop really wanted to shoot someone, so he’d have used 5.56mm NATO, but maybe not?

    If the D’s, Brandon (“shoot ‘‘em in the leg. C’mon, man.”) included, want cops to use less-lethal options, then the cops need to have them and feel like they’re going to go home to their families if they use them. Fast switching as the situation calls for seems reasonable.

    As to confusing fire-selector settings, yeah. Huge potential problem. Maybe taser is fired by a side button? Maybe trigger draw weight varies with selection. But it’s better than no option, which is what we have now. I am sure a bunch of cops have drawn their gun because they thought, “if I draw my taser, I could be dead before I can draw my gun.” People must have been shot because of that, So, let them draw their gun, then use the taser if they don’t need the gun immediately.

    Pistol taser under-over combo (plus taser on the off-hand side) for nonSWAT cops might not be a terrible idea, either.

    Thanks for engaging with me, Dmitri.

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich

    I actually rather like your idea for a over/under double barrel weapon. Again, getting it R&D’d would be the biggest obstacle at that point.
    Also, maybe train cops better? Rifles are good for long-range engagements and shoot-outs, but once they are inside the building with the suspect, have the guys with pistols lead? If the nutter barricades himself inside somewhere, then bring up the guy with the rifle.
    Contrary to most Hollywood portrayals I’ve seen, pistols beat rifles in close-in situations. Easier to control, easier to re-aim, harder for the other person to grab.

  152. @The Wobbly Guy
    @Paperback Writer

    It's China, not Sg. If we had it, you wouldn't get wacky scenes like this.
    https://mothership.sg/2020/08/man-tased-esplanade/

    Tasers don't work. The fact our police can't really handle a semi-violent guy is a testament to our highly controlled fascist state, with violence so rare that most of the rank-and-file cops don't have much experience dealing with tougher situations.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Yeah, tasers are crap. Everyone knows they are crap.

    Well, haddya like this? I found pics of the giant fork by googling “China police giant fork.”

    https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-giant-electric-fork-devices-Chinese-armed-forces-are-currently-practicing-with-that-could-potentially-be-used-on-Hong-Kong-protesters

    I didn’t realize they could be electrified, tho the Quora people say they usually aren’t.

    Sounds like a win. But it won’t happen because if we tried this it would still be mostly white cops subduing mostly black crazies, and that would “look bad.”

  153. Tasers used to work very well. Early models were powerful enough to stop a large guy under the influence. Exactly what you need. However they were also powerful enough to kill someone with a weak heart or similar condition, so they were made less powerful, resulting in the situations we see today.

  154. I oppose Sailer’s proposals. We should junk rather than reform college admission.

    If you could imagine an ideal, modern education system to serve the needs of student and continuing education adults for the near future, what would it look like?

    We should want a race-blind system that focuses on maximizing opportunity for the masses. If there are racial group differences, we should ignore them as much as possible, and focus on opportunity for the masses regardless of race.

    We should also move away from admissions. We do want more measurement on achievement. By any measure, half of the population will be below average in a tautological sense. That’s fine.

  155. @Coemgen
    Yes to bringing back verbal analogies.

    and, if people are getting, "perfect scores," there is a problem with the tests' construction. There should be enough questions on a test, with no correct answer, to confound anyone from getting a perfect score (except by random chance).

    Replies: @Dmitri Fyodorovich, @Hi There

    if people are getting, “perfect scores,” there is a problem with the tests’ construction.

    If lots of people get perfect scores, then the test isn’t differentiating among the higher end. It depends on what the test is intended to do.

    I got a perfect math SAT + GRE. I say the test has little value and if I were designing a modern education system to benefit the masses, both the academically smart, and everyone else, I wouldn’t use these tests.

  156. @SafeNow
    Asians gain about 70 points from prep courses, whites about 20. I read an article attributing this prep-gap mainly to the existence of Asian “neighborhood cram schools.” Cramming would be the opposite of years&years of tigering. Asian self-segregation into neighborhoods really pays off because it is feasible for cram schools to locate there. Blacks also live in neighborhoods, but, um, ….

    Replies: @Alden, @Muggles, @Hi There

    I got a perfect math SAT + GRE score with zero prep. I was on the math team in high school, I did that for fun. The SAT/GRE are much, much easier tests… I would scrap them as I don’t think they serve the mission of education. I am pro-test, btw, but I don’t think the SAT/GRE are important tests.

  157. The best way to reform college admission tests is with a white homeland.

  158. @Adept
    @Jack D

    .223/5.56x45mm is technically an "intermediate cartridge." Not as powerful as the guns that are usually called "high power rifles" -- which typically start at 7.62x51mm chamberings and get larger from there -- but much more powerful than handguns, SMGs, PDWs.

    But this is semantics. Hair-splitting. "But ackshually..."

    (Speaking of "but ackshually," there are exceptions to both of the statements I've made above. .22-250 and .270 Winchester are pretty small, but nobody can say that they aren't high powered rifles and keep a straight face. On the other side of the coin, Bubba's hot hand-loaded .44 Magnum rounds can be more powerful than most intermediate rifle rounds. But these are all uncommon.)

    The bottom line is that this is an example of laughably poor police work.

    - Dude beating the shit out of a woman with a bike chain in the mall.
    - 911 call.
    - Police show up.
    - Spend 10 minutes forming up and planning how they're going to take dude down.
    - Cops rush in.
    - Negro cop shows up late and breaks formation, "get out of the way, let me get in front with the rifle!"
    - Perp slowly shuffles down an aisle, negro cop shoots him in the back from 25 feet away, before issuing any commands.
    - One round penetrates a wall and hits a 14 year old girl hiding in a dressing room with her mom.
    - Kid dies in moms arms while negro cop tells bike chain victim that she's safe now.

    Nobody should be okay with this. It was shoddy work. The cops didn't know what they were doing, and that poor girl paid the price.

    Replies: @74v56ruthiyj, @TWS

    I don’t know how police got to where they are now. Perhaps because you cannot hire for nor can you train character into most adults. Perhaps because you can’t have real height weight standards when you need to include women. The californication of police started in the seventies. They were far more badge heavy and way more authoritarian and shooty than others. I think the diaspora of California cops was a disaster for the destination states.

  159. @Jack D
    @TWS

    You're being holier than the Pope. In the High Power Rifle shooting sport, one of the NRA sanctioned categories is called Service Rifle which includes AR-15's in 5.56/ .223. Are you saying the NRA is wrong? Would it have been better if the cop used an elephant gun?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_power_rifle#Service_Rifle

    The people who pull this "I'm a weapons expert and you know nothing about guns and should just shut up" are full of beans.

    1st of all, half the time, they don't know what they are talking about to begin with (Alec claiming that a pistol has more penetrating power than a rifle).

    2nd, you don't need detailed technical knowledge about guns to understand that rifles should not be the weapon of choice for close range police work against a man armed only with a bike lock. The results in this case speak for themselves and so will the jury award/settlement.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Adept, @TWS

    Yeah, the nra is wrong. The cartridge is not high power by any objective measure. Should the guy have shot with a half dozen or more other cops presumably with asps, tasers, pepper spray and sheer numbers on their side? All I can say is I would not and leave it at that.

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