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As I mentioned yesterday, a shooting at a Little Rock night club during a rap performance left 25 people wounded but nobody dead, at least not yet (although two are in critical condition). From the Ben Kurtz Blog last summer:

Marksmanship is Nothing More Than White Privilege

Just go to a Florida nightclub to find out.

July 28, 2016

… So here’s a handy rule of thumb when you hear about the next mass shooting and find the press being coy about who did it and why: If the shooters exhibit bad aim (substantially worse than 1 killed for every 3 wounded) then they are Black gangsters settling a score. If they exhibit passable aim (around one fatality for each wounded survivor, or perhaps a little worse) then they are “Irish” “freedom fighters” who have likely pledged allegiance to the “Irish State.” Unless the victims are cops; then a perpetrator with passable aim will likely be a Black man with military training (see Dallas and Baton Rouge).

And finally, of course, when White and East Asian gunmen go on a shooting rampage the ratio is usually far more fatal than what we’ve discussed before: Dylann Roof had a rate of 9:1; Anders Behring Breivik just barely exceeded 2:1, though with an extraordinary volume of fire that outpaced even that of Mr. Mateen in Orlando; Patrick Sherrill — the guy who invented the concept of “going postal” back in the 1980s — had a rate of 3:1; and Seung-Hui Cho recently had a rate of 2:1 at Virginia Tech.

So to end where we began: Aim, apparently, is nothing more than a species of White Privilege. Whatever shall we do to close the gap?

 
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  1. I must say, this was a disappointing result for the Koreans. You wait until they start using DIY drone or robot attacks operated with mouse and keyboard RTS style, the Koreans will really come into their own then.

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    • Agree: ATX Hipster
    • LOL: al-Gharaniq
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Seems a consistent ratio for Koreans. In South Korea in 1982 Wuo Bum-kon? ( there are alternate English spellings) killed 56 and wounded 35 before shooting himself, so there also, roughly 2:1.
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  2. Dee says:

    I live in flyover land. Acreage. I can put a 1 gallon paint can 100 yards away and just ventilate it.

    Now, my gun is a Colt Gold Cup, National Match target pistol; but I still have to do my part…

    Always bet on the whites; they have organized mayhem down pat….
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    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    If that is true (after all we are in the "swamps" of the interwebs) that is some hellacious shootin' there pal.
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    https://youtu.be/4g5p6b-ZZ5Y
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  5. Before shooting schools we always joked they were going to train us on one-handed side grip because of its proven record in urban combat.

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    • Replies: @NOTA
    Yeah, there ought to be a grant of some kind for movie/tv/music video makers who teach that sideways grip to clueless wannabe gangsters, thus massively decreasing their eventual death toll.
    , @Loveofknowledge
    I actually tried that sideways grip at the range one time. I only did it once because I figured the range safety officer would disapprove.

    Believe it or not, it worked just fine. Ultimately, you just need to have the sights aligned on target at the moment the hammer falls. Like I was saying in my last comment about trigger technique fundamentals.

    The recoil coming up sideways felt really weird though, and the casing ejected straight up and then fell straight down on the side of the gun. Would probably be hard to make repeated shots, and I imagine you'd have a good chance of a failure to feed or eject.
    , @Bill Jones
    Oddly enough, I've never seen Trayvon ot Shiteelia down at my local range.
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  6. One notable exception was the psycho California black cop (ex-cop?) who went on a killing rampage about 2 or 3 years ago. He was eventually killed, or killed himself, I can’t remember. He was a good marksman, at least by his own account.

    Marksmanship doesn’t necessarily go hand in hand with lethality, though. Late 18th century frontiersman Mike Fink shot the heel off of black slave at 30 paces because he didn’t like the way black people’s feet were shaped. They say his shot removed the slave’s heel almost surgically, but it’s hard to know because there’s a lot of mythology surrounding Fink. Fink fell out of favor in American folklore after the Civil War, probably because of this incident. At one time, though, he was as well known for outstanding marksmanship as Daniel Boone, Davey Crockett or Wild Bill Hickok.

    It was amazing what early rifleman could do with their relatively primitive weapons, at least among some segments of the population (Fink was of Scots Irish decent. He and his friends used to shoot whiskey bottles off of each others heads.) It was a parallel to the industrial revolution, where individual skill was gradually replaced by technological advances. Those rifles could only throw one round every half a minute or so, so making the most of every shot promoted marksmanship.

    The hi-cap semi-auto pistols produce the “spray and pray” approach of the urban poor. Blacks really don’t have much frontier history with guns, so they don’t have the cultural connections to marksmanship.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?
    , @ivvenalis
    I'm absolutely convinced that autoloading weapons have made marksmanship worse. The British of the 19th Century swore up and down that the Afghans were exceptional marksmen but AK-wielding Afghans of today use their weapons as noisemakers as much as anything else.
    , @Anonymous
    Was that the same guy as Mike Fink, King of the River? I vaguely remember that character from a 50s Davy Crockett episode (Fess Parker/Buddy Ebsen vintage)
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  7. @J1234
    One notable exception was the psycho California black cop (ex-cop?) who went on a killing rampage about 2 or 3 years ago. He was eventually killed, or killed himself, I can't remember. He was a good marksman, at least by his own account.

    Marksmanship doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with lethality, though. Late 18th century frontiersman Mike Fink shot the heel off of black slave at 30 paces because he didn't like the way black people's feet were shaped. They say his shot removed the slave's heel almost surgically, but it's hard to know because there's a lot of mythology surrounding Fink. Fink fell out of favor in American folklore after the Civil War, probably because of this incident. At one time, though, he was as well known for outstanding marksmanship as Daniel Boone, Davey Crockett or Wild Bill Hickok.

    It was amazing what early rifleman could do with their relatively primitive weapons, at least among some segments of the population (Fink was of Scots Irish decent. He and his friends used to shoot whiskey bottles off of each others heads.) It was a parallel to the industrial revolution, where individual skill was gradually replaced by technological advances. Those rifles could only throw one round every half a minute or so, so making the most of every shot promoted marksmanship.

    The hi-cap semi-auto pistols produce the "spray and pray" approach of the urban poor. Blacks really don't have much frontier history with guns, so they don't have the cultural connections to marksmanship.

    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?

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    • Replies: @J1234

    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?
     
    I have no idea how to respond.

    Going back to blacks and guns, on further reflection, I think urban blacks approach guns like they do stereo systems. Since companies offer stereo systems that produce ungodly amounts of thumping base, it would be an utter waste to not utilize every last ounce of it, regardless of the net result (or so think urban black people.) And since CZ makes a 9mm that holds 20 rounds....
    , @Desiderius
    Fink was real but keelboats are mythical.
    , @Danindc
    I remember a thread on here led me to fink's Wikipedia page. Looked real to me.
    , @Grumpy
    A book for those interested in the topic:

    https://www.amazon.com/Western-Rivermen-1763-1861-Mississippi-Alligator/dp/0807119075
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  8. @Trelane
    https://youtu.be/iDnEkFSMRik?t=7

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  9. In all fairness, the gangsters might have to worry about their targets shooting back. Nothing spoils your aim like that, and even the threat of it probably encourages “spray and pray,” followed by a hasty retreat. The rampage and terrorist shooters at least generally expect to be going after unarmed victims, and don’t generally worry about surviving their own attacks and escaping.

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    Gangland hits don't go down like that. Most gangland shootings/stabbings are outright assassinations. They are over in a few seconds. The victim never sees it coming.

    Polar bear hunting is the same. There is almost no telegraphing of what is to take place. It's "bam!!!" and you're waking up in a ER.

    Those shootings that happen in nightclubs are often spontaneous events brought on by general stupidity, drugs and too many blacks in one location. However no worry about people shooting back in a vast majority of cases.

    Blacks are also responsible for ruining the nightclub scene. Where I live on the outskirts of Los Angeles county. My town and another don't have night clubs because the blacks forced them to close. They were just too dangerous for whites to attend.
    , @Anonymous
    I don't know, I get the impression drive-bys are intentionally designed to catch someone off-guard and fill him full of lead before he even realized he was shot. Part of the difference there is the haphazard, poorly planned, drive away while you're shooting aspect. Maybe the kill ratio is so low because many of the victims are other people in the wrong place at the wrong time hit by random stray shots.

    Also, victim age may play a factor. Dylan Roof shooting a room full of elderly church ladies is likely going to have a higher kill ratio even if his aim was just as poor as a gang-banger shooting at his conspecifics, given that the elderly are probably less able to dive for cover and will have a poorer chance of recovery from a serious injury than an 18 yr old street kid.

    Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that the kill ratio still cannot be a good predictor of whodunnit if different races tend to reliably continue to have different targets and different modes of shooting.
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  10. @Steve Sailer
    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?

    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?

    I have no idea how to respond.

    Going back to blacks and guns, on further reflection, I think urban blacks approach guns like they do stereo systems. Since companies offer stereo systems that produce ungodly amounts of thumping base, it would be an utter waste to not utilize every last ounce of it, regardless of the net result (or so think urban black people.) And since CZ makes a 9mm that holds 20 rounds….

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  11. That seems about right.

    The movie “Falling Down” made fun of that similar tendency among Mexican gang bangers. Talk about a un PC/MC movie, that movie had it in spades. No wonder it vanished from TV screens.

    BTW that shooter in NYC who shot the doctors was a Nigerian Muslim with a AR-15 – now you know why the story went poof. Anyone watching it unfold could see that the black and Mohammed coefficients were approaching 100% when none of the big papers and networks mentioned his name and ethnicity.

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    • Replies: @Grumpy
    The movie made the cover of Newsweek in 1993.

    http://fallingdownfilm.com/wp-content/gallery/promo-items/newsweek-cover.jpg

    You can still read the cover story, "White Male Paranoia," on the Newsweek website.

    http://www.newsweek.com/white-male-paranoia-191128
    , @Inquiring Mind
    I heard "Falling Down" was immensely popular with urban black audiences.

    I guess they were OK that it was a about a white guy they could relate to regarding acting on his revenge fantasies for all the guff he had to take? Kind of like what happens to us could happen to a white guy, but we are cool with that because we are all in this together?

    Or maybe they understood that the character had to be a white guy because if they put a black guy in that role, the movie would be too subversive to by made and shown, but the people watching it knew what it was really about?
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  12. I once was told that the reason Dobermans are not used in the military is that they don’t do as well around loud noises such as gunshots and explosions as do other dogs. That, and they are not as intelligent. One reason cops like them is that they instinctively go after hands and feet like shepherds will instead of just trying to tear they guy’s ball off like a pit bull.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    The Doberman was used in WWII by the US military to good effect, the so-called "Devil Dog". My guess is that the very short coat was a lot more suited to the Pacific Theater climate than say, that of a GSD. I don't think you will find a pitbull ranked highly on any list of dog IQ.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intelligence_of_Dogs

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  13. Hispanics overcome white privilege by shooting their target from a distance of one foot.

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    • Replies: @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "shooting their target from a distance of one foot."
    It might have worked! Unfortunately she used a Desert Eagle .50 calibre.
    , @Rob McX
    One child and one on the way...so no Darwin Award then. When comedians make jokes about idiots like these, it's nearly always white hillbillies they talk about.
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  14. @Anonym
    I must say, this was a disappointing result for the Koreans. You wait until they start using DIY drone or robot attacks operated with mouse and keyboard RTS style, the Koreans will really come into their own then.

    Seems a consistent ratio for Koreans. In South Korea in 1982 Wuo Bum-kon? ( there are alternate English spellings) killed 56 and wounded 35 before shooting himself, so there also, roughly 2:1.

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    • Replies: @Anonym
    I wonder when the Asians will start to copy the vehicular homicide attacks. For low numbers of victims, they will have plausible deniability.
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  15. @Rod1963
    That seems about right.

    The movie "Falling Down" made fun of that similar tendency among Mexican gang bangers. Talk about a un PC/MC movie, that movie had it in spades. No wonder it vanished from TV screens.

    BTW that shooter in NYC who shot the doctors was a Nigerian Muslim with a AR-15 - now you know why the story went poof. Anyone watching it unfold could see that the black and Mohammed coefficients were approaching 100% when none of the big papers and networks mentioned his name and ethnicity.

    The movie made the cover of Newsweek in 1993.

    You can still read the cover story, “White Male Paranoia,” on the Newsweek website.

    http://www.newsweek.com/white-male-paranoia-191128

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    • Replies: @Alec Leamas

    You can still read the cover story, “White Male Paranoia,” [1993] on the Newsweek website.
     
    Takeaway quote:

    "The perception that minorities are taking over is a staple of American political paranoia. A 1990 Gallup poll, for instance, found that the average American estimated 32 percent of the U.S. population was black and 21 percent Hispanic; the real figures were 12 percent and 9 percent."
     
    Could you imagine being that paranoid in 1993? I mean, come on. Just relax, lie back, and think of America.
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  16. @Thomas
    In all fairness, the gangsters might have to worry about their targets shooting back. Nothing spoils your aim like that, and even the threat of it probably encourages "spray and pray," followed by a hasty retreat. The rampage and terrorist shooters at least generally expect to be going after unarmed victims, and don't generally worry about surviving their own attacks and escaping.

    Gangland hits don’t go down like that. Most gangland shootings/stabbings are outright assassinations. They are over in a few seconds. The victim never sees it coming.

    Polar bear hunting is the same. There is almost no telegraphing of what is to take place. It’s “bam!!!” and you’re waking up in a ER.

    Those shootings that happen in nightclubs are often spontaneous events brought on by general stupidity, drugs and too many blacks in one location. However no worry about people shooting back in a vast majority of cases.

    Blacks are also responsible for ruining the nightclub scene. Where I live on the outskirts of Los Angeles county. My town and another don’t have night clubs because the blacks forced them to close. They were just too dangerous for whites to attend.

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  17. @Alfa158
    Seems a consistent ratio for Koreans. In South Korea in 1982 Wuo Bum-kon? ( there are alternate English spellings) killed 56 and wounded 35 before shooting himself, so there also, roughly 2:1.

    I wonder when the Asians will start to copy the vehicular homicide attacks. For low numbers of victims, they will have plausible deniability.

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    • LOL: ATX Hipster
    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    Who's to say they aren't already?
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  18. @Prof. Woland
    I once was told that the reason Dobermans are not used in the military is that they don't do as well around loud noises such as gunshots and explosions as do other dogs. That, and they are not as intelligent. One reason cops like them is that they instinctively go after hands and feet like shepherds will instead of just trying to tear they guy's ball off like a pit bull.

    The Doberman was used in WWII by the US military to good effect, the so-called “Devil Dog”. My guess is that the very short coat was a lot more suited to the Pacific Theater climate than say, that of a GSD. I don’t think you will find a pitbull ranked highly on any list of dog IQ.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intelligence_of_Dogs

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  19. What about John Mohamed and Lee Malvo – the Washington DC snipers?

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    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    The DC Snipers had a different style. They were serial killers, not mass/spree killers.
    , @Barnard
    Muhammed was ex military. He wasn't a trained sniper, but shooting was one area where he did well.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,384299,00.html
    , @SteveRogers42
    According to neighbors, they trained regularly in their backyard in Tacoma, WA.
    , @Ben Kurtz
    The Beltway Sniper assassinations were not a mass shooting. They were a series of separate incidents which took place in different places over the course of weeks.

    The rule of thumb applies to mass shootings, not all shootings, as specified in its first line.
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  20. @J1234
    One notable exception was the psycho California black cop (ex-cop?) who went on a killing rampage about 2 or 3 years ago. He was eventually killed, or killed himself, I can't remember. He was a good marksman, at least by his own account.

    Marksmanship doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with lethality, though. Late 18th century frontiersman Mike Fink shot the heel off of black slave at 30 paces because he didn't like the way black people's feet were shaped. They say his shot removed the slave's heel almost surgically, but it's hard to know because there's a lot of mythology surrounding Fink. Fink fell out of favor in American folklore after the Civil War, probably because of this incident. At one time, though, he was as well known for outstanding marksmanship as Daniel Boone, Davey Crockett or Wild Bill Hickok.

    It was amazing what early rifleman could do with their relatively primitive weapons, at least among some segments of the population (Fink was of Scots Irish decent. He and his friends used to shoot whiskey bottles off of each others heads.) It was a parallel to the industrial revolution, where individual skill was gradually replaced by technological advances. Those rifles could only throw one round every half a minute or so, so making the most of every shot promoted marksmanship.

    The hi-cap semi-auto pistols produce the "spray and pray" approach of the urban poor. Blacks really don't have much frontier history with guns, so they don't have the cultural connections to marksmanship.

    I’m absolutely convinced that autoloading weapons have made marksmanship worse. The British of the 19th Century swore up and down that the Afghans were exceptional marksmen but AK-wielding Afghans of today use their weapons as noisemakers as much as anything else.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Are these Afghan Pashtuns or foreign jihadis?

    Cause the Pashtun were the very devil in a fight, with us or against us, no matter what they had in their hands.

    A soldier got hit in the ass at 400 yds with a Mauser round, and that kind of extreme range harassment fire was not uncommon over there.
    , @Avalanche
    [quote]The British of the 19th Century swore up and down that the Afghans were exceptional marksmen but AK-wielding Afghans of today use their weapons as noisemakers as much as anything else. [/quote]

    Is that the gun -- or the afghan -- that has degenerated?!

    , @Joe Stalin
    The only thing that counts in battle is that you actually score hits on your target. The modern assault rifle (5.56 and 7.62x39) means that you have rounds available to expend as soon as a target avails itself ipso facto why WOULDN'T you take the shot?

    This full30 video explains this on a range with M4 vs. AK74:

    https://www.full30.com/video/04a6fc0afec2e43ffda0869594004bf0
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  21. The shower posse was a Jamaican gang in Miami circa 1990. They used crappy machine pistols to shower their rivals with bullets. Low kill ratio, not too many hits either.

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    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    I remember pop culture telling us how Jamaican posses were supposed to be the next big thing in organized crime, back in the early 90's. Popularized by movies like "Predator 2" and Steven Seagal's "Marked for Death". Somehow, that never panned out.
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  22. how to close the gap? Answer: weaponized basketballs!

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  23. @Triumph104
    Hispanics overcome white privilege by shooting their target from a distance of one foot.

    https://youtu.be/sLYaFlF_Vfk

    “shooting their target from a distance of one foot.”
    It might have worked! Unfortunately she used a Desert Eagle .50 calibre.

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    • Replies: @Wilkey
    WTF? Disregarding all the other stupid things about his plan, who the hell doesn't test it out first? Might be a good idea...
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  24. Martin Bryant, of Port Arthur Massacre infamy, had a kill ratio of 35 dead to 23 wounded, or 1.5:1 .

    Impressive as that is, as far as such things go, what’s truly impressive is that he successfully planned the complex attack strategy and ensuing kill ratio with an I.Q. of 66.

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    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Port Arthur is right up there with Sandy Hook as "things that make you go hmm".
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  25. @Rod1963
    That seems about right.

    The movie "Falling Down" made fun of that similar tendency among Mexican gang bangers. Talk about a un PC/MC movie, that movie had it in spades. No wonder it vanished from TV screens.

    BTW that shooter in NYC who shot the doctors was a Nigerian Muslim with a AR-15 - now you know why the story went poof. Anyone watching it unfold could see that the black and Mohammed coefficients were approaching 100% when none of the big papers and networks mentioned his name and ethnicity.

    I heard “Falling Down” was immensely popular with urban black audiences.

    I guess they were OK that it was a about a white guy they could relate to regarding acting on his revenge fantasies for all the guff he had to take? Kind of like what happens to us could happen to a white guy, but we are cool with that because we are all in this together?

    Or maybe they understood that the character had to be a white guy because if they put a black guy in that role, the movie would be too subversive to by made and shown, but the people watching it knew what it was really about?

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    • Replies: @PiltdownMan

    I heard “Falling Down” was immensely popular with urban black audiences.
     
    I watched the last two Dirty Harry movies with an almost entirely black audience in Times Square movie theaters. Clint Eastwood was immensely popular, with deafening whoops of approval during the "go ahead, make my day" scene when he shoots the black punks.
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  26. @Clyde
    The shower posse was a Jamaican gang in Miami circa 1990. They used crappy machine pistols to shower their rivals with bullets. Low kill ratio, not too many hits either.

    I remember pop culture telling us how Jamaican posses were supposed to be the next big thing in organized crime, back in the early 90′s. Popularized by movies like “Predator 2″ and Steven Seagal’s “Marked for Death”. Somehow, that never panned out.

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    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    Hard to be badass when you can't seem to get off that couch after two blunts of chronic.
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  27. Hey, Steve, slightly off topic, but thisA Racial Lesson in Civilization: The Collapse of Hidden Hills Golf and Country Club in DeKalb County, Ga. (County was 71% White in 1980, 28% White in 2017) is right up your alley fairway.

    Well, it’s not really about golf (thank goodness), but it’s still up your alley. Paul Kersey on why we can’t have nice things residential golf courses.

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  28. @Steve Sailer
    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?

    Fink was real but keelboats are mythical.

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  29. @Fabrice
    What about John Mohamed and Lee Malvo - the Washington DC snipers?

    The DC Snipers had a different style. They were serial killers, not mass/spree killers.

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  30. @ATX Hipster
    Before shooting schools we always joked they were going to train us on one-handed side grip because of its proven record in urban combat.

    Yeah, there ought to be a grant of some kind for movie/tv/music video makers who teach that sideways grip to clueless wannabe gangsters, thus massively decreasing their eventual death toll.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    What makes you think that that hasn't...?

    Ooops.

    I've already said too much.
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  31. There are stupid memes about how white right winger terrorists are just as dangerous (or even more so) than Muslims. And there is a point: whites are usually more competent. The memes are still stupid, though.

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    • Replies: @biz
    Equally stupid are the memes that more people die from defective champaign corks or waterslides or whatever than Islamic terrorism. These memes are stupid because a) they are not true, at least not without massaging the numbers in ridiculous ways (such as classifying many terrorist acts as "workplace violence," starting and stopping the counting on highly specific dates, etc), and b) champaign corks and waterslides are contained problems and those objects are not trying to acquire ever deadlier tactics, dirty bombs, and nuclear and chemical weapons.

    The credulousness with which people adopt these and other transparently ridiculous memes is a sign of many things wrong with society.
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  32. @Grumpy
    The movie made the cover of Newsweek in 1993.

    http://fallingdownfilm.com/wp-content/gallery/promo-items/newsweek-cover.jpg

    You can still read the cover story, "White Male Paranoia," on the Newsweek website.

    http://www.newsweek.com/white-male-paranoia-191128

    You can still read the cover story, “White Male Paranoia,” [1993] on the Newsweek website.

    Takeaway quote:

    “The perception that minorities are taking over is a staple of American political paranoia. A 1990 Gallup poll, for instance, found that the average American estimated 32 percent of the U.S. population was black and 21 percent Hispanic; the real figures were 12 percent and 9 percent.”

    Could you imagine being that paranoid in 1993? I mean, come on. Just relax, lie back, and think of America.

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  33. @Fabrice
    What about John Mohamed and Lee Malvo - the Washington DC snipers?

    Muhammed was ex military. He wasn’t a trained sniper, but shooting was one area where he did well.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,384299,00.html

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    He was an average marksman. The Army rifle qual course isn't exactly difficult, either.
    , @Alec Leamas
    Having Uncle Sam train you on a weapons platform and provide you with thousands of rounds of ammunition to become proficient is quite the opposite of buying a hot handgun face to face, a box of ball ammunition, and never shooting the thing until a spontaneous attack due to getting "dissed" in "da club."

    Being minimally competent on a chosen weapons platform probably increases the hit rate and lethality of any ambush/spree attack by orders of magnitude.
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  34. Leonard Pitts has pointed out that white people vote republican

    The trick to creating a livable society is discouraging white marriage and family

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    I don't think I've ever seen pie advertised. That's how I know it's good!

    - Leonard Pitts
     
    You're right Tiny...this Leonard Pitts fellow is a wellspring of well crafted notions!
    , @Joe Walker
    The trick to creating a livable society is discouraging white marriage and family

    So you think think that sub-Saharan Africa is livable then? Then please explain why so many black Africans risk their lives trying to get to Europe?
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  35. I had this conversation with my wife on Sunday morning after she burst in the room with this news. Once I ascertained the shot ratio to fatality ratio, I explained to her why it was unlikely a terrorist attack. She quickly shrugged it off after verifying that it was just Saturday night hijinks in the Hood.

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  36. @ivvenalis
    I'm absolutely convinced that autoloading weapons have made marksmanship worse. The British of the 19th Century swore up and down that the Afghans were exceptional marksmen but AK-wielding Afghans of today use their weapons as noisemakers as much as anything else.

    Are these Afghan Pashtuns or foreign jihadis?

    Cause the Pashtun were the very devil in a fight, with us or against us, no matter what they had in their hands.

    A soldier got hit in the ass at 400 yds with a Mauser round, and that kind of extreme range harassment fire was not uncommon over there.

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    Cause the Pashtun were the very devil in a fight, with us or against us, no matter what they had in their hands.
     
    What did you think of the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras?
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  37. @Pat Hannagan
    Martin Bryant, of Port Arthur Massacre infamy, had a kill ratio of 35 dead to 23 wounded, or 1.5:1 .

    Impressive as that is, as far as such things go, what's truly impressive is that he successfully planned the complex attack strategy and ensuing kill ratio with an I.Q. of 66.

    Port Arthur is right up there with Sandy Hook as “things that make you go hmm”.

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  38. @J1234
    One notable exception was the psycho California black cop (ex-cop?) who went on a killing rampage about 2 or 3 years ago. He was eventually killed, or killed himself, I can't remember. He was a good marksman, at least by his own account.

    Marksmanship doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with lethality, though. Late 18th century frontiersman Mike Fink shot the heel off of black slave at 30 paces because he didn't like the way black people's feet were shaped. They say his shot removed the slave's heel almost surgically, but it's hard to know because there's a lot of mythology surrounding Fink. Fink fell out of favor in American folklore after the Civil War, probably because of this incident. At one time, though, he was as well known for outstanding marksmanship as Daniel Boone, Davey Crockett or Wild Bill Hickok.

    It was amazing what early rifleman could do with their relatively primitive weapons, at least among some segments of the population (Fink was of Scots Irish decent. He and his friends used to shoot whiskey bottles off of each others heads.) It was a parallel to the industrial revolution, where individual skill was gradually replaced by technological advances. Those rifles could only throw one round every half a minute or so, so making the most of every shot promoted marksmanship.

    The hi-cap semi-auto pistols produce the "spray and pray" approach of the urban poor. Blacks really don't have much frontier history with guns, so they don't have the cultural connections to marksmanship.

    Was that the same guy as Mike Fink, King of the River? I vaguely remember that character from a 50s Davy Crockett episode (Fess Parker/Buddy Ebsen vintage)

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    Was that the same guy as Mike Fink, King of the River?
     
    Yeah. River men in early America seem peripheral to the history of the American frontier today, but they really aren't. Fink and his ilk were emblematic of one of the most unique eras in our frontier, unique because the US (at one time) thought of itself as expanding more to the south than the west. Why the south? Because that's the way the rivers flowed. Of course, the Louisiana Purchase and Lewis & Clark's trek started changing notions about US expansion. The fascination with steam powered river boats in the mid 19th century ( Mark Twain) was the last hurrah of the "river frontier" in popular culture.
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  39. @Barnard
    Muhammed was ex military. He wasn't a trained sniper, but shooting was one area where he did well.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,384299,00.html

    He was an average marksman. The Army rifle qual course isn’t exactly difficult, either.

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  40. @Barnard
    Muhammed was ex military. He wasn't a trained sniper, but shooting was one area where he did well.

    http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,384299,00.html

    Having Uncle Sam train you on a weapons platform and provide you with thousands of rounds of ammunition to become proficient is quite the opposite of buying a hot handgun face to face, a box of ball ammunition, and never shooting the thing until a spontaneous attack due to getting “dissed” in “da club.”

    Being minimally competent on a chosen weapons platform probably increases the hit rate and lethality of any ambush/spree attack by orders of magnitude.

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    Being minimally competent on a chosen weapons platform probably increases the hit rate and lethality of any ambush/spree attack by orders of magnitude.
     
    Part of my time in the USMC was part of staff on a rifle range in Okinawa.

    Occasionally, we would get a contingent of Army soldiers for some familiarization firing courses and so forth and the difference was night/day, even the most bone dumb Marine, and that is saying an awful lot, could fill a magazine, lock and load, and get reasonably accurate fire downrange in an expeditious manner.

    This was an uncertain proposition with the (non-combat arms, to be fair) Army guys, who hadn't benefited from the 2 weeks of USMC marksmanship training in boot camp. It was really astounding how bad they were and made me appreciate how significant an accomplishment it was of the Marines that they could make pretty much anyone into a serviceable markman.

    This was a long time ago, don't know how they do things today, but yeah, a little bit, and really not all that much, even just an afternoon or a few hours, of marksmanship training goes a very long way.

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  41. @Inquiring Mind
    I heard "Falling Down" was immensely popular with urban black audiences.

    I guess they were OK that it was a about a white guy they could relate to regarding acting on his revenge fantasies for all the guff he had to take? Kind of like what happens to us could happen to a white guy, but we are cool with that because we are all in this together?

    Or maybe they understood that the character had to be a white guy because if they put a black guy in that role, the movie would be too subversive to by made and shown, but the people watching it knew what it was really about?

    I heard “Falling Down” was immensely popular with urban black audiences.

    I watched the last two Dirty Harry movies with an almost entirely black audience in Times Square movie theaters. Clint Eastwood was immensely popular, with deafening whoops of approval during the “go ahead, make my day” scene when he shoots the black punks.

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    Clint with some appropriate music:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGOaYR6Fuw
    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    Blacks respect white people who do not back down and are willing to respond to violence with violence.

    A while back I had a young black guy tell me that he knew where I live so I better watch out. I responded that I was glad to hear that because I have lots of weapons and have been looking forward to using them. He kind of laughed and said " Damn, I heard you was a crazy mofo."

    We get along fine now.
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  42. My vague sense from seeing news reports of, oh, hundreds of Muslim terrorist attacks over the last few years…months….weeks…hours…is that Muslim terrorists have a very high rate of lethality, probably for the simple reason that they spend a lot of time thinking about and planning this shit and know and talk to lots of other people who do, as well. I mean if I wanted to find out the best way to maximize the death toll using my car where would I go, my Facebook page? Instagram? Pinterest? The local bookstore?

    That terrorist on Bastille Day killed 86 people and injured 434. That’s an impressive death toll. And then the g.d. French still voted for Macron. That Welsh guy injured like 6 people (or whatever). The Pulse nightclub killer maybe wasn’t as well trained, but he sure knew how to pick a target: a packed bar with limited exits filled with a 100+ drunk, tired, gay men.

    Muslims either have a very good sense of how to maximize the death toll, via 1400 years of Darwinian selection, or they have very good networks for learning and training about this shit.

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    Muslims either have a very good sense of how to maximize the death toll, via 1400 years of Darwinian selection, or they have very good networks for learning and training about this shit.
     
    Maybe, Occam's Razor suggests, that they just really do want to maximize death toll where other factors, despite whatever attestations the killers may have made, influence other killers' decisions/plans. Like they have to do it in a school because Columbine, e.g.

    Revealed preference is my guess rather than some loony HBD just so story.
    , @a reader
    Last week, a doctor and a nurse who attended the scene that day were promoting their tell-all book on a TV show; they told that among the 86 people killed were 33 children.

    This was of course never, ever mentioned before (or after).

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  43. @Paul Walker - Most beautiful man ever...
    "shooting their target from a distance of one foot."
    It might have worked! Unfortunately she used a Desert Eagle .50 calibre.

    WTF? Disregarding all the other stupid things about his plan, who the hell doesn’t test it out first? Might be a good idea…

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    I had read that they did test it, using a different book. The first book stopped the round. Not sure if they kept the firearm and distance the same between the two.
    , @SteveRogers42
    Phil Leotardo always practiced and planned in advance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8iLSvx6-tg
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  44. biz says:
    @reiner Tor
    There are stupid memes about how white right winger terrorists are just as dangerous (or even more so) than Muslims. And there is a point: whites are usually more competent. The memes are still stupid, though.

    Equally stupid are the memes that more people die from defective champaign corks or waterslides or whatever than Islamic terrorism. These memes are stupid because a) they are not true, at least not without massaging the numbers in ridiculous ways (such as classifying many terrorist acts as “workplace violence,” starting and stopping the counting on highly specific dates, etc), and b) champaign corks and waterslides are contained problems and those objects are not trying to acquire ever deadlier tactics, dirty bombs, and nuclear and chemical weapons.

    The credulousness with which people adopt these and other transparently ridiculous memes is a sign of many things wrong with society.

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  45. @Tiny Duck
    Leonard Pitts has pointed out that white people vote republican

    The trick to creating a livable society is discouraging white marriage and family

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen pie advertised. That’s how I know it’s good!

    - Leonard Pitts

    You’re right Tiny…this Leonard Pitts fellow is a wellspring of well crafted notions!

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  46. @Steve Sailer
    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?

    I remember a thread on here led me to fink’s Wikipedia page. Looked real to me.

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  47. I always thought that the sideways aim was something invented by Hollywood. I was surprised that they actually shot that way.

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    In slow motion while diving through the air no less.
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  48. @ivvenalis
    I'm absolutely convinced that autoloading weapons have made marksmanship worse. The British of the 19th Century swore up and down that the Afghans were exceptional marksmen but AK-wielding Afghans of today use their weapons as noisemakers as much as anything else.

    [quote]The British of the 19th Century swore up and down that the Afghans were exceptional marksmen but AK-wielding Afghans of today use their weapons as noisemakers as much as anything else. [/quote]

    Is that the gun — or the afghan — that has degenerated?!

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  49. @Triumph104
    Hispanics overcome white privilege by shooting their target from a distance of one foot.

    https://youtu.be/sLYaFlF_Vfk

    One child and one on the way…so no Darwin Award then. When comedians make jokes about idiots like these, it’s nearly always white hillbillies they talk about.

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  50. @Dee
    I live in flyover land. Acreage. I can put a 1 gallon paint can 100 yards away and just ventilate it.

    Now, my gun is a Colt Gold Cup, National Match target pistol; but I still have to do my part...

    Always bet on the whites; they have organized mayhem down pat....
    .

    If that is true (after all we are in the “swamps” of the interwebs) that is some hellacious shootin’ there pal.

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  51. Only slightly off-topic, and a little belated:

    Juniper Networks’ vice president Naren Prabhu and his wife and daughter are murdered in their tony house in Willow Glen by Mizra Tatlic, the daughter’s jilted lover.

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won’t do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up (it’s okay with the president, too, because they’re coming legally!).

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    Another import from the sub-continent and the Third World in general is acid attacks, mostly by jilted lovers. There are around two of them a day now in Britain, up from zero in pre-diversity days. The Mirror investigated this, and the fact that they used a Freedom of Information request to get the figures suggests the police would have preferred to keep them to themselves.

    They discovered that the acid attack capital of Britain is the borough of Newham in London. Its demographic profile comes as no surprise.

    , @biz
    They're not Hindus. You should have read the rest of the article:

    The family attended Holy Spirit Church in San Jose, according to the Rev. Brendan McGuire, who said he would be meeting with the couple’s devastated children Friday night, including the 13-year-old boy who was held hostage after his parents were killed and his 20-year-old brother, who ran to call for help.

    They also went to Our Lady of Peace in San Jose, according to their former groundskeeper Alberto Perez, who is also a member of the congregation there.
     
    , @Triumph104
    Mirza Tatlic was a white guy. His last name is common in Bosnia, plus someone in the link you provided says that he immigrated from Bosnia as a child. He may have been Christian or Muslim but not Hindu.

    As mentioned, the Indian couple that he killed were Christian.

    The daughter wasn't murdered. She lives in another state.

    , @Johann Ricke

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won’t do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up (it’s okay with the president, too, because they’re coming legally!).
     
    Mirza is a Muslim name.
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  52. @ivvenalis
    I'm absolutely convinced that autoloading weapons have made marksmanship worse. The British of the 19th Century swore up and down that the Afghans were exceptional marksmen but AK-wielding Afghans of today use their weapons as noisemakers as much as anything else.

    The only thing that counts in battle is that you actually score hits on your target. The modern assault rifle (5.56 and 7.62×39) means that you have rounds available to expend as soon as a target avails itself ipso facto why WOULDN’T you take the shot?

    This full30 video explains this on a range with M4 vs. AK74:

    https://www.full30.com/video/04a6fc0afec2e43ffda0869594004bf0

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  53. @Anonymous
    Was that the same guy as Mike Fink, King of the River? I vaguely remember that character from a 50s Davy Crockett episode (Fess Parker/Buddy Ebsen vintage)

    Was that the same guy as Mike Fink, King of the River?

    Yeah. River men in early America seem peripheral to the history of the American frontier today, but they really aren’t. Fink and his ilk were emblematic of one of the most unique eras in our frontier, unique because the US (at one time) thought of itself as expanding more to the south than the west. Why the south? Because that’s the way the rivers flowed. Of course, the Louisiana Purchase and Lewis & Clark’s trek started changing notions about US expansion. The fascination with steam powered river boats in the mid 19th century ( Mark Twain) was the last hurrah of the “river frontier” in popular culture.

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  54. @Autochthon
    Only slightly off-topic, and a little belated:

    Juniper Networks' vice president Naren Prabhu and his wife and daughter are murdered in their tony house in Willow Glen by Mizra Tatlic, the daughter's jilted lover.

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won't do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up (it's okay with the president, too, because they're coming legally!).

    Another import from the sub-continent and the Third World in general is acid attacks, mostly by jilted lovers. There are around two of them a day now in Britain, up from zero in pre-diversity days. The Mirror investigated this, and the fact that they used a Freedom of Information request to get the figures suggests the police would have preferred to keep them to themselves.

    They discovered that the acid attack capital of Britain is the borough of Newham in London. Its demographic profile comes as no surprise.

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  55. @flyingtiger
    I always thought that the sideways aim was something invented by Hollywood. I was surprised that they actually shot that way.

    In slow motion while diving through the air no less.

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  56. http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/11/new_orleans_playground_mass_sh.html

    In these three mass shootings in New Orleans, 46 people were shot with one fatality. The title of the article is “Why? Why? Why?” Easy question but that’s not the answer that they were looking for.

    (Someone died recently due to complications with injuries sustained in the Mother’s Day, 2013 shooting. So you could say two fatalities).

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  57. @PiltdownMan

    I heard “Falling Down” was immensely popular with urban black audiences.
     
    I watched the last two Dirty Harry movies with an almost entirely black audience in Times Square movie theaters. Clint Eastwood was immensely popular, with deafening whoops of approval during the "go ahead, make my day" scene when he shoots the black punks.

    Clint with some appropriate music:

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  58. Actually, wouldn’t it behoove non-Black citizens of the US to increase their marksmanship privilege? I am talking about people that have purchased an AR-15 (Note: the bottom has dropped out on the AR market and bargains abound. CDNN has Bushmaster M4A3 rifles for $500 after a $150 rebate) and other semi-auto rifles.

    Go sign up for a Project Appleseed marksmanship clinic (RWVA.org) and learn to properly utilize a semi-auto rifle. Go even if all you got is a bolt-action or a Ruger 10/22.

    Very few Blacks go to Appleseeds, apparently.

    The US Army has in the past used this civilian program to train soldiers shipping out to Afghanistan.

    http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/a-riflemans-war

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  59. @NOTA
    Yeah, there ought to be a grant of some kind for movie/tv/music video makers who teach that sideways grip to clueless wannabe gangsters, thus massively decreasing their eventual death toll.

    What makes you think that that hasn’t…?

    Ooops.

    I’ve already said too much.

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  60. @Wilkey
    WTF? Disregarding all the other stupid things about his plan, who the hell doesn't test it out first? Might be a good idea...

    I had read that they did test it, using a different book. The first book stopped the round. Not sure if they kept the firearm and distance the same between the two.

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  61. @ATX Hipster
    Before shooting schools we always joked they were going to train us on one-handed side grip because of its proven record in urban combat.

    I actually tried that sideways grip at the range one time. I only did it once because I figured the range safety officer would disapprove.

    Believe it or not, it worked just fine. Ultimately, you just need to have the sights aligned on target at the moment the hammer falls. Like I was saying in my last comment about trigger technique fundamentals.

    The recoil coming up sideways felt really weird though, and the casing ejected straight up and then fell straight down on the side of the gun. Would probably be hard to make repeated shots, and I imagine you’d have a good chance of a failure to feed or eject.

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  62. biz says:
    @Autochthon
    Only slightly off-topic, and a little belated:

    Juniper Networks' vice president Naren Prabhu and his wife and daughter are murdered in their tony house in Willow Glen by Mizra Tatlic, the daughter's jilted lover.

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won't do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up (it's okay with the president, too, because they're coming legally!).

    They’re not Hindus. You should have read the rest of the article:

    The family attended Holy Spirit Church in San Jose, according to the Rev. Brendan McGuire, who said he would be meeting with the couple’s devastated children Friday night, including the 13-year-old boy who was held hostage after his parents were killed and his 20-year-old brother, who ran to call for help.

    They also went to Our Lady of Peace in San Jose, according to their former groundskeeper Alberto Perez, who is also a member of the congregation there.

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    Mirza Tatlic sounds like some sort of Muslim ex-USSR type.
    , @Autochthon
    I use the term as my forefathers did.

    [I]mmigrants from South Asia were combined under the Hindoo category. – "Racial Reorganization & the United States Census: 1850-1930"
     

    Early travelers to the Indus valley, beginning with the Greeks and Persians, spoke of its inhabitants as Hindu (Greek ‘ινδοί), and, in the sixteenth century, residents of India themselves began very slowly to employ the term to distinguish themselves from the Turks. Gradually the distinction became primarily religious rather than ethnic, geographic, or cultural. – Encyclopoedia Brittanica
     

    The ancient Persians, who occupied the lands west to the Indus River called the whole country lying across the Indus River Sindh and its inhabitants Sindhus, a designation that was later taken over by the Greeks who succeeded them and resulted in the now commonly used designations of India and Indians. The Muslims, who began invading India from the eighth century onward, used the term Hindu as a generic designation for non-Muslim Indians, identical with idol worshipers. In the 1830s Englishmen, writing about the religions of India, added -ism to Hindu and coined the term Hinduism, making an abstract and generic entity out of the many diverse and specific traditions of the Hindus. – "The Beginnings of Hinduism"
     
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  63. @biz
    They're not Hindus. You should have read the rest of the article:

    The family attended Holy Spirit Church in San Jose, according to the Rev. Brendan McGuire, who said he would be meeting with the couple’s devastated children Friday night, including the 13-year-old boy who was held hostage after his parents were killed and his 20-year-old brother, who ran to call for help.

    They also went to Our Lady of Peace in San Jose, according to their former groundskeeper Alberto Perez, who is also a member of the congregation there.
     

    Mirza Tatlic sounds like some sort of Muslim ex-USSR type.

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  64. @Steve Sailer
    Was Mike Fink real like Paul Bunyan or mythical like Davey Crockett?
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  65. @Autochthon
    Only slightly off-topic, and a little belated:

    Juniper Networks' vice president Naren Prabhu and his wife and daughter are murdered in their tony house in Willow Glen by Mizra Tatlic, the daughter's jilted lover.

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won't do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up (it's okay with the president, too, because they're coming legally!).

    Mirza Tatlic was a white guy. His last name is common in Bosnia, plus someone in the link you provided says that he immigrated from Bosnia as a child. He may have been Christian or Muslim but not Hindu.

    As mentioned, the Indian couple that he killed were Christian.

    The daughter wasn’t murdered. She lives in another state.

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    Mirza Tatlic[;] he immigrated invaded from Bosnia as a child....
     
    If I've written it once I have written it a hundred times: what used to be the U.S.A. – Mexifornia in particular! – is grossly underpopulated and desperately in need of crazy Bosnians to help improve the place.

    The daughter wasn't murdered.
     
    I guess Mirza Tatlic is no Ash Ketchum.
    , @bomag

    Mirza Tatlic
     
    looks like one of the Tsarnaev brothers. The girlfriend here has a vague resemblance to the woman who married one of the Tsarnaevs.
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  66. @biz
    They're not Hindus. You should have read the rest of the article:

    The family attended Holy Spirit Church in San Jose, according to the Rev. Brendan McGuire, who said he would be meeting with the couple’s devastated children Friday night, including the 13-year-old boy who was held hostage after his parents were killed and his 20-year-old brother, who ran to call for help.

    They also went to Our Lady of Peace in San Jose, according to their former groundskeeper Alberto Perez, who is also a member of the congregation there.
     

    I use the term as my forefathers did.

    [I]mmigrants from South Asia were combined under the Hindoo category. – “Racial Reorganization & the United States Census: 1850-1930

    Early travelers to the Indus valley, beginning with the Greeks and Persians, spoke of its inhabitants as Hindu (Greek ‘ινδοί), and, in the sixteenth century, residents of India themselves began very slowly to employ the term to distinguish themselves from the Turks. Gradually the distinction became primarily religious rather than ethnic, geographic, or cultural. – Encyclopoedia Brittanica

    The ancient Persians, who occupied the lands west to the Indus River called the whole country lying across the Indus River Sindh and its inhabitants Sindhus, a designation that was later taken over by the Greeks who succeeded them and resulted in the now commonly used designations of India and Indians. The Muslims, who began invading India from the eighth century onward, used the term Hindu as a generic designation for non-Muslim Indians, identical with idol worshipers. In the 1830s Englishmen, writing about the religions of India, added -ism to Hindu and coined the term Hinduism, making an abstract and generic entity out of the many diverse and specific traditions of the Hindus. – “The Beginnings of Hinduism

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    Story as it appears so far: Nice Catholic girl dates lunatic (white) Muslim Bosniak*, then dumps him, possibly when she realizes he's a nutcase. Said now ex-boyfriend gets mad, broods a while, and proceeds to live up to the worst stereotypes of lunatics, Muslims, and Bosniaks by trying to murder her entire family.

    *Men with Gold Chains, Fruitcake Edition.

    P.S. Your forefathers were Persian? ;)

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  67. @Jack Hanson
    Are these Afghan Pashtuns or foreign jihadis?

    Cause the Pashtun were the very devil in a fight, with us or against us, no matter what they had in their hands.

    A soldier got hit in the ass at 400 yds with a Mauser round, and that kind of extreme range harassment fire was not uncommon over there.

    Cause the Pashtun were the very devil in a fight, with us or against us, no matter what they had in their hands.

    What did you think of the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras?

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  68. @ATX Hipster
    Before shooting schools we always joked they were going to train us on one-handed side grip because of its proven record in urban combat.

    Oddly enough, I’ve never seen Trayvon ot Shiteelia down at my local range.

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  69. @Autochthon
    Only slightly off-topic, and a little belated:

    Juniper Networks' vice president Naren Prabhu and his wife and daughter are murdered in their tony house in Willow Glen by Mizra Tatlic, the daughter's jilted lover.

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won't do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up (it's okay with the president, too, because they're coming legally!).

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won’t do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up (it’s okay with the president, too, because they’re coming legally!).

    Mirza is a Muslim name.

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  70. I attended the wedding of a niece (in law) on Saturday. The immaculately attired groom and his men showed up as mutedly as possible on their four Harleys, The bride was stunningly beautiful in the white gown with train and various hand-maidens.
    The service, the old Church of England one (Episcopalian to you) was conducted quietly and reverently. The two hundred and fifty guests mixed and mingled afterward before the reception, chatting, sharing stories about their own weddings and sharing jokes. The darkest skin was the red on the back of my boy’s neck from his life-guarding shift the day or so before.

    Funny dat.

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  71. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon
    I use the term as my forefathers did.

    [I]mmigrants from South Asia were combined under the Hindoo category. – "Racial Reorganization & the United States Census: 1850-1930"
     

    Early travelers to the Indus valley, beginning with the Greeks and Persians, spoke of its inhabitants as Hindu (Greek ‘ινδοί), and, in the sixteenth century, residents of India themselves began very slowly to employ the term to distinguish themselves from the Turks. Gradually the distinction became primarily religious rather than ethnic, geographic, or cultural. – Encyclopoedia Brittanica
     

    The ancient Persians, who occupied the lands west to the Indus River called the whole country lying across the Indus River Sindh and its inhabitants Sindhus, a designation that was later taken over by the Greeks who succeeded them and resulted in the now commonly used designations of India and Indians. The Muslims, who began invading India from the eighth century onward, used the term Hindu as a generic designation for non-Muslim Indians, identical with idol worshipers. In the 1830s Englishmen, writing about the religions of India, added -ism to Hindu and coined the term Hinduism, making an abstract and generic entity out of the many diverse and specific traditions of the Hindus. – "The Beginnings of Hinduism"
     

    Story as it appears so far: Nice Catholic girl dates lunatic (white) Muslim Bosniak*, then dumps him, possibly when she realizes he’s a nutcase. Said now ex-boyfriend gets mad, broods a while, and proceeds to live up to the worst stereotypes of lunatics, Muslims, and Bosniaks by trying to murder her entire family.

    *Men with Gold Chains, Fruitcake Edition.

    P.S. Your forefathers were Persian? ;)

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    I've no Persian ancestors – they were European; they're the ones who changed the word from Sindhu to Hindoo.

    I'd love to know how many of the people fawning all over Hindoos around here live in close proximity to them, and empirically gauge how prevalent is this apparant delusion that Americans against continued overpopulation and disposession fully support an exception to import Europeans, especially crazy, Mohammaden Europeans.

    (I didn't highlight the murderer's name under any deusions he was a Hindoo or an American myself; Hell, I checked his mugshot before I made my comment.)

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  72. I guess this the appropriate time and thread to repost this .

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  73. @Tiny Duck
    Leonard Pitts has pointed out that white people vote republican

    The trick to creating a livable society is discouraging white marriage and family

    The trick to creating a livable society is discouraging white marriage and family

    So you think think that sub-Saharan Africa is livable then? Then please explain why so many black Africans risk their lives trying to get to Europe?

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    Slavery racism colonialism

    White men stole good stuff

    This is payback
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  74. @Alec Leamas
    Having Uncle Sam train you on a weapons platform and provide you with thousands of rounds of ammunition to become proficient is quite the opposite of buying a hot handgun face to face, a box of ball ammunition, and never shooting the thing until a spontaneous attack due to getting "dissed" in "da club."

    Being minimally competent on a chosen weapons platform probably increases the hit rate and lethality of any ambush/spree attack by orders of magnitude.

    Being minimally competent on a chosen weapons platform probably increases the hit rate and lethality of any ambush/spree attack by orders of magnitude.

    Part of my time in the USMC was part of staff on a rifle range in Okinawa.

    Occasionally, we would get a contingent of Army soldiers for some familiarization firing courses and so forth and the difference was night/day, even the most bone dumb Marine, and that is saying an awful lot, could fill a magazine, lock and load, and get reasonably accurate fire downrange in an expeditious manner.

    This was an uncertain proposition with the (non-combat arms, to be fair) Army guys, who hadn’t benefited from the 2 weeks of USMC marksmanship training in boot camp. It was really astounding how bad they were and made me appreciate how significant an accomplishment it was of the Marines that they could make pretty much anyone into a serviceable markman.

    This was a long time ago, don’t know how they do things today, but yeah, a little bit, and really not all that much, even just an afternoon or a few hours, of marksmanship training goes a very long way.

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  75. @Wilkey
    My vague sense from seeing news reports of, oh, hundreds of Muslim terrorist attacks over the last few years...months....weeks...hours...is that Muslim terrorists have a very high rate of lethality, probably for the simple reason that they spend a lot of time thinking about and planning this shit and know and talk to lots of other people who do, as well. I mean if I wanted to find out the best way to maximize the death toll using my car where would I go, my Facebook page? Instagram? Pinterest? The local bookstore?

    That terrorist on Bastille Day killed 86 people and injured 434. That's an impressive death toll. And then the g.d. French still voted for Macron. That Welsh guy injured like 6 people (or whatever). The Pulse nightclub killer maybe wasn't as well trained, but he sure knew how to pick a target: a packed bar with limited exits filled with a 100+ drunk, tired, gay men.

    Muslims either have a very good sense of how to maximize the death toll, via 1400 years of Darwinian selection, or they have very good networks for learning and training about this shit.

    Muslims either have a very good sense of how to maximize the death toll, via 1400 years of Darwinian selection, or they have very good networks for learning and training about this shit.

    Maybe, Occam’s Razor suggests, that they just really do want to maximize death toll where other factors, despite whatever attestations the killers may have made, influence other killers’ decisions/plans. Like they have to do it in a school because Columbine, e.g.

    Revealed preference is my guess rather than some loony HBD just so story.

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  76. @Anonym
    I wonder when the Asians will start to copy the vehicular homicide attacks. For low numbers of victims, they will have plausible deniability.

    Who’s to say they aren’t already?

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  77. @Fabrice
    What about John Mohamed and Lee Malvo - the Washington DC snipers?

    According to neighbors, they trained regularly in their backyard in Tacoma, WA.

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  78. @Wilkey
    WTF? Disregarding all the other stupid things about his plan, who the hell doesn't test it out first? Might be a good idea...

    Phil Leotardo always practiced and planned in advance:

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  79. @Triumph104
    Mirza Tatlic was a white guy. His last name is common in Bosnia, plus someone in the link you provided says that he immigrated from Bosnia as a child. He may have been Christian or Muslim but not Hindu.

    As mentioned, the Indian couple that he killed were Christian.

    The daughter wasn't murdered. She lives in another state.

    Mirza Tatlic[;] he immigrated invaded from Bosnia as a child….

    If I’ve written it once I have written it a hundred times: what used to be the U.S.A. – Mexifornia in particular! – is grossly underpopulated and desperately in need of crazy Bosnians to help improve the place.

    The daughter wasn’t murdered.

    I guess Mirza Tatlic is no Ash Ketchum.

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  80. @Anon
    Story as it appears so far: Nice Catholic girl dates lunatic (white) Muslim Bosniak*, then dumps him, possibly when she realizes he's a nutcase. Said now ex-boyfriend gets mad, broods a while, and proceeds to live up to the worst stereotypes of lunatics, Muslims, and Bosniaks by trying to murder her entire family.

    *Men with Gold Chains, Fruitcake Edition.

    P.S. Your forefathers were Persian? ;)

    I’ve no Persian ancestors – they were European; they’re the ones who changed the word from Sindhu to Hindoo.

    I’d love to know how many of the people fawning all over Hindoos around here live in close proximity to them, and empirically gauge how prevalent is this apparant delusion that Americans against continued overpopulation and disposession fully support an exception to import Europeans, especially crazy, Mohammaden Europeans.

    (I didn’t highlight the murderer’s name under any deusions he was a Hindoo or an American myself; Hell, I checked his mugshot before I made my comment.)

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    South Asian immigrants are populating various suburbs around LA. One shameful pocket is around the Farmers Insurance building in Woodland Hills, where the IT department got H-1B'd. That means that the Costco nearby now has more variety of bulk food items, although the personal hygiene section seems smaller.
    , @Anon
    I wasn't under any particular impression about your political views, delusional or otherwise; the topic is not one that much interests me. However, I was under the impression that you said

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won’t do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up
     
    which is a strange claim in any case because honor feuds are not a custom typical of non-Muslim subcontinentals (certainly not Christians!) as they are typical to some extent of Muslims in general and to a great extent of Bosniaks, but which claim is simply bizarre in this case, unless they did it by making themselves soft targets, or by dating a white head case.

    A heads-up for the next time you want to argue that blacks cause more crime than whites: Dylann Roof is not the case you want to cite.

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  81. Hollywood cool guy getting far better training – and a much higher volume of training – than any American policeman (possibly excluding full-time big-city SWAT teams):

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  82. @Wilkey
    My vague sense from seeing news reports of, oh, hundreds of Muslim terrorist attacks over the last few years...months....weeks...hours...is that Muslim terrorists have a very high rate of lethality, probably for the simple reason that they spend a lot of time thinking about and planning this shit and know and talk to lots of other people who do, as well. I mean if I wanted to find out the best way to maximize the death toll using my car where would I go, my Facebook page? Instagram? Pinterest? The local bookstore?

    That terrorist on Bastille Day killed 86 people and injured 434. That's an impressive death toll. And then the g.d. French still voted for Macron. That Welsh guy injured like 6 people (or whatever). The Pulse nightclub killer maybe wasn't as well trained, but he sure knew how to pick a target: a packed bar with limited exits filled with a 100+ drunk, tired, gay men.

    Muslims either have a very good sense of how to maximize the death toll, via 1400 years of Darwinian selection, or they have very good networks for learning and training about this shit.

    Last week, a doctor and a nurse who attended the scene that day were promoting their tell-all book on a TV show; they told that among the 86 people killed were 33 children.

    This was of course never, ever mentioned before (or after).

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    Back in college I subscribed to Newsweek or Time. One of the saddest editions was the one published the week after the Dunblane massacre. It had a picture of every single one of Thomas Hamilton's 17 victims. It was heartrending.

    That edition, of course, was published in the service of pushing gun control. God forbid we put all the pictures together of the 86 dead in service of pushing Muslim control.

    Where are the pictures of the 86 victims of the Nice terrorist? Might be a nice thing to post a link to this coming Bastille Day.
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  83. @Triumph104
    Mirza Tatlic was a white guy. His last name is common in Bosnia, plus someone in the link you provided says that he immigrated from Bosnia as a child. He may have been Christian or Muslim but not Hindu.

    As mentioned, the Indian couple that he killed were Christian.

    The daughter wasn't murdered. She lives in another state.

    Mirza Tatlic

    looks like one of the Tsarnaev brothers. The girlfriend here has a vague resemblance to the woman who married one of the Tsarnaevs.

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  84. @Autochthon
    I've no Persian ancestors – they were European; they're the ones who changed the word from Sindhu to Hindoo.

    I'd love to know how many of the people fawning all over Hindoos around here live in close proximity to them, and empirically gauge how prevalent is this apparant delusion that Americans against continued overpopulation and disposession fully support an exception to import Europeans, especially crazy, Mohammaden Europeans.

    (I didn't highlight the murderer's name under any deusions he was a Hindoo or an American myself; Hell, I checked his mugshot before I made my comment.)

    South Asian immigrants are populating various suburbs around LA. One shameful pocket is around the Farmers Insurance building in Woodland Hills, where the IT department got H-1B’d. That means that the Costco nearby now has more variety of bulk food items, although the personal hygiene section seems smaller.

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  85. “going postal” , Back in 1989 I was paid off from a ship in San Diego . I went to the Post Office to mail my seabag home . I was around no. 6 in line at lunch time . Of the three Negro postal “workers” at the counter one was pregnant , what a surprise , and made a point of not lifting anything other than an envelope . Honest to God nothing heavier than an envelope . It’s fried chicken dinner must have weighed more , but it knew it’s rights . The second African American female was on it’s coffee break which it took right there in front of the growing line of White people on their lunch breaks . Planting it’s fat Black ass on the surface behind the counter while it slurrped it’s coffee . That left one male to handle all the clients . At some point I made the comment loud enough for all to hear “no wonder they come in and shoot these places up” . Anyway I mailed my seabag home and caught my flight to Boston . The next day in the news was an item that someone had shot up a PO in San Diego . I like to think that some of the people in line with me thought to themselves “I was in line with that guy” .

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  86. @Joe Walker
    The trick to creating a livable society is discouraging white marriage and family

    So you think think that sub-Saharan Africa is livable then? Then please explain why so many black Africans risk their lives trying to get to Europe?

    Slavery racism colonialism

    White men stole good stuff

    This is payback

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  87. @Fabrice
    What about John Mohamed and Lee Malvo - the Washington DC snipers?

    The Beltway Sniper assassinations were not a mass shooting. They were a series of separate incidents which took place in different places over the course of weeks.

    The rule of thumb applies to mass shootings, not all shootings, as specified in its first line.

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  88. @PiltdownMan

    I heard “Falling Down” was immensely popular with urban black audiences.
     
    I watched the last two Dirty Harry movies with an almost entirely black audience in Times Square movie theaters. Clint Eastwood was immensely popular, with deafening whoops of approval during the "go ahead, make my day" scene when he shoots the black punks.

    Blacks respect white people who do not back down and are willing to respond to violence with violence.

    A while back I had a young black guy tell me that he knew where I live so I better watch out. I responded that I was glad to hear that because I have lots of weapons and have been looking forward to using them. He kind of laughed and said ” Damn, I heard you was a crazy mofo.”

    We get along fine now.

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  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    In all fairness, the gangsters might have to worry about their targets shooting back. Nothing spoils your aim like that, and even the threat of it probably encourages "spray and pray," followed by a hasty retreat. The rampage and terrorist shooters at least generally expect to be going after unarmed victims, and don't generally worry about surviving their own attacks and escaping.

    I don’t know, I get the impression drive-bys are intentionally designed to catch someone off-guard and fill him full of lead before he even realized he was shot. Part of the difference there is the haphazard, poorly planned, drive away while you’re shooting aspect. Maybe the kill ratio is so low because many of the victims are other people in the wrong place at the wrong time hit by random stray shots.

    Also, victim age may play a factor. Dylan Roof shooting a room full of elderly church ladies is likely going to have a higher kill ratio even if his aim was just as poor as a gang-banger shooting at his conspecifics, given that the elderly are probably less able to dive for cover and will have a poorer chance of recovery from a serious injury than an 18 yr old street kid.

    Nevertheless, this doesn’t mean that the kill ratio still cannot be a good predictor of whodunnit if different races tend to reliably continue to have different targets and different modes of shooting.

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  90. @a reader
    Last week, a doctor and a nurse who attended the scene that day were promoting their tell-all book on a TV show; they told that among the 86 people killed were 33 children.

    This was of course never, ever mentioned before (or after).

    Back in college I subscribed to Newsweek or Time. One of the saddest editions was the one published the week after the Dunblane massacre. It had a picture of every single one of Thomas Hamilton’s 17 victims. It was heartrending.

    That edition, of course, was published in the service of pushing gun control. God forbid we put all the pictures together of the 86 dead in service of pushing Muslim control.

    Where are the pictures of the 86 victims of the Nice terrorist? Might be a nice thing to post a link to this coming Bastille Day.

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  91. @Hapalong Cassidy
    I remember pop culture telling us how Jamaican posses were supposed to be the next big thing in organized crime, back in the early 90's. Popularized by movies like "Predator 2" and Steven Seagal's "Marked for Death". Somehow, that never panned out.

    Hard to be badass when you can’t seem to get off that couch after two blunts of chronic.

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  92. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Autochthon
    I've no Persian ancestors – they were European; they're the ones who changed the word from Sindhu to Hindoo.

    I'd love to know how many of the people fawning all over Hindoos around here live in close proximity to them, and empirically gauge how prevalent is this apparant delusion that Americans against continued overpopulation and disposession fully support an exception to import Europeans, especially crazy, Mohammaden Europeans.

    (I didn't highlight the murderer's name under any deusions he was a Hindoo or an American myself; Hell, I checked his mugshot before I made my comment.)

    I wasn’t under any particular impression about your political views, delusional or otherwise; the topic is not one that much interests me. However, I was under the impression that you said

    Spreading murder to wealthy enclaves because of wounded honour – another job Americans just won’t do, but the exemplary Hindoos are stepping up

    which is a strange claim in any case because honor feuds are not a custom typical of non-Muslim subcontinentals (certainly not Christians!) as they are typical to some extent of Muslims in general and to a great extent of Bosniaks, but which claim is simply bizarre in this case, unless they did it by making themselves soft targets, or by dating a white head case.

    A heads-up for the next time you want to argue that blacks cause more crime than whites: Dylann Roof is not the case you want to cite.

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