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A reader writes:

I’m in a listserv argument at the moment, where my position is that the 2020-21 spike in violence is driven by young black males. Any chance you could point me toward hard data that I can use to back it up? (Just to be clear, the list members include many Republicans with bylines; I wouldn’t ask anyone for help in an argument with Internet randos.)

As far as I can tell, the FBI’s very useful crime data stop at 2019 so they’re no use in this case.

The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September, so I’m not aware of any Official Data yet.

But my statistical Spidey-sense has been ringing for a year that the Racial Reckoning has unleashed a wave of black on black shootings.

I’ve got many reasons for believing this. For example:

  • The same thing happened in the two years after BLM emerged after Ferguson in August 2014.
  • Mass shootings (4 or more struck by bullets) were way up in 2020 over 2019, and close to three-fourths of mass shootings are by blacks, according to a 2016 New York Times article.
  • Woundings were up more than killings: e.g., murders were up 40% in NYC, but people shot (killed or wounded) were up 100%. I’ve explained at length Sailer’s Law of Mass Shooting but I don’t expect too many people to say, Oh, wow, that makes perfect sense, you are right.
  • A fourth reason is that black traffic fatalities were up 36% during the seven months of the Racial Reckoning (June-December 2020). That’s just crazy. But this kind of thing just registers as Crimethink in many people’s minds, so it’s hard to them to think it through.
  • When I read through year-end murder wrap-up articles from newspapers in 108 of the 200 biggest cities in early January 2021, every single one of the human interest intros involved a black grieving for a murdered child.
  • Unlike 2019, there were zero Columbine-style mass murders in public by whites in 2020. That good streak ended with the massage parlor shootings in 2021, but none of that type of mass murders happened in 2020.
  • The big increases in absolute number of murders in 2020 over 2019 tended to be in heavily black cities or ones where local newspapers reported a big increase in black murders, such as Minneapolis and Portland.

But what do you think would be most persuasive? I’m good at figuring out what the truth is, but I’m not good at figuring out what will persuade people not to respond with their Crimestop warning. I deserve the Pulitzer Prize for Commentary for my countless pieces dissenting in real time from the Racial Reckoning by pointing out that Black Lives Matter is getting more black lives killed, but I’m more likely to win that posthumously than in my lifetime.

But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

 
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  1. • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    ...CPD Superintendent David Brown said three of those killed were female victims, and one was male.
     
    Well, that's efficient.

    One of the victims of the Austin shooting has since died. He worked for Ford in Michigan, but hailed from Airmont, New York-- near a giant Ford plant that had closed before he was born, and of which Bruce Springsteen sang. Airmont has a fascinating zoning litigation history, all about black hats rather than black skin.

    A second victim, described as a "single mother of five", is near death.

    Replies: @Paul Rise

  2. But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

    The “wise” of conventional wisdom fame already know they’re wrong. One might as well ask which arguments would convince his subjects that the King is nude.

  3. But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

    The “wise” of conventional wisdom fame already know they’re wrong. On might as well ask what arguments are most likely to convince his subjects that the king is naked.

    • Agree: Kronos
  4. You’re not gonna convince anybody cause they don’t want to listen.
    And you should get out of the country to speak freely about US politics. Things are getting ugly.

    • Agree: Bernie
  5. Make it personal.

    If you are white and living in Chicago, in 2012 you had a 0.001% chance of being murdered, but if you are black, the odds increase ten-fold.* After the Floyd event in 2020, the odds of you being murdered doubled.**

    Now for the fun part. After the Floyd event in 2020, the odds of you being killed by the police while committing a felony dropped but the odds of being killed by a fellow negro doubled. In other words, it became less dangerous to burn, loot or murder, but more dangerous to diss a fellow negro.

    Notes for innumerates:
    *ten-fold means take the number killed and multiply by ten.
    **doubled means take the number killed and multily by two.

    In retrospect,*** I don’t think you can explain this to pundits. Better to tell them that it is now safe to hang out with BLM-ers (Blimmers?), and more negroes need to buy guns. That way, over time, the need to explain decreases.

    Brings to mind a definition of pundit, namely someone who knows but does not understand.

  6. Perhaps the most persuasive bit of evidence that the perpetrators are black is the conspicuous absence of a narrative about the rise in murders and the Press’s reluctance to mention it as a newsworthy matter. To the extent that there is a narrative being proposed to explain what has happened, the Press are stating that the increase in murders is clearly a consequence of COVID-19 lockdowns although it is never explained.*

    If the perpetrators of these murders representing the uptick were white, we’d be hearing about it packaged as a narrative about white supremacist terrorism or somesuch.

    * My anecdata based on eyeball evidence is that urban blacks – particularly young urban blacks – did not alter their daily patterns much if at all during the lockdowns. Loitering/hanging out with the crew on corners didn’t seem to be limited by the lockdowns at all. In the places where I did see them and where masks were required the masks were near universally worn across the chin.

    • Agree: vhrm, ic1000, Hangnail Hans
  7. The military may be a source for some of the weapons:

    https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-gun-politics-crime-6caba27108d05a8b7c1860959d1ae130

    If this article is correct, it shouldn’t be a mystery that weapons are turning up in street crimes, since there has been a gang problem in the military for decades. Is it a surprise that the military brass would be worried about Confederate flags on military bases instead?

    At this point, I can’t see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @OilcanFloyd

    I can’t see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war.
     

    At the rate things are going the U.S. military wouldn't be able to beat Ecuador or Barbados.

    It won't matter anyway. China and Russia have better things to do and the U.S. will die a self-inflicted death. It's already well underway.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @OilcanFloyd

    "I can't see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war."

    The same interests that directed the FBI to storm the capital building on 1/6 with its informants and operatives amongst the sad Trumpians are also laying the groundwork for a domestic war on terror. Merrick Garland's speech today made that clear. Putin and Xi can start their friendship garden while the Babylonian banksters reconfigure the U.S. into something even more pathetic. Don't look to our expensive armed forces to prevent the downward spiral: USNORTHCOM will be putting together a series of emergency management districts to house undesirables. I'm hoping to get the concession to run the snack bars in EMD NORCAL.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @OilcanFloyd

    "I can’t see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war"

    I can't see either Russia or China being mad enough to start a major war with the US, when the US is at war with itself and taking casualties every day. All China has to do is talk the language of trade and friendship while Putin plays Mr Nasty and America goes further down the tubes.

    But there's a deal of ruin in a nation. The US has a lot of snazzy hardware and a billion-megaton nuclear capability, unless the chips in all military hardware now have a Chinese kill switch. Why take the risk?

    If the US does something itself to start that war, who knows, given the current tech advantage of the US? Defeat, open and visible to all the world, would probably make politics even more "interesting" than it is now.

  8. Slap them in the face. “Do you think that black lives matter? Then why are you applauding the ebding of black lives?” Then do both the comparison to “klan” violence and the recent crime spikes as government statistics.

  9. Black Lives Matter => Black Lives Don’t Matter?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Luke Lea

    How about “Black Lives Mattered.”

  10. anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    If you really care, then document the hell out of it.

    The MSM is already claiming that CRT is a figment of the right’s imagination, and no one ever heard of this rightist straw man pre Tucker Carlson.

    History is constantly being retconned.

    I suppose it isn’t that surprising or even new. In the US, by the mid 50’s, it was conventional in elite circles to decry strategic bombing and nuking Japan. Whereas, in the late 40’s both were wildly popular and beyond criticism. Although I am certain of this, it would be very labor intensive to document.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/critical-race-theory-invades-school-boards-help-conservative-groups-n1270794

    • Replies: @mc23
    @anon

    In the fifties a lot of people were still comfortable with the atomic bombs being dropped on Japan.

    This was a number one hit in Japan in 1958.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiMSfTyytQE&t=25s

  11. a standardized ameriwhite can be made to understand anything, provided it is blamed on the juifs

  12. You won’t. They know, and its why they and their families are leaving the cities. For whatever reason black lives murder is still worth it to the pundits class’s masters. So the insanity continues.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Old and Grumpy

    Unfortunately, negroes and their endless antics (violent crime is just one) are spreading to the suburbs and have been for a good while. It's about to get turbocharged.

  13. I think the best arguments for the Black Lives Murdered thesis are:

    1. The homicide spike that happened after Memorial Day 2020. This shatters the “people started shooting ’cause of COVID” argument.

    2. The fact that cities in which homicides spiked are either blacker than average, places where black homicides increased, or places where newsworthy black police incidents occurred, such as Minneapolis.

    Also, does anyone know how many people were murdered in Kenosha this year? This article makes it seem like murders are increasing from previous years.

    https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/homicides-shootings-on-the-uptick-in-kenosha-county-as-incidents-nationwide-grab-the-spotlight/article_39f240fb-0113-5f17-a749-b953690da37c.html

  14. Don’t bother. In changing normie’s opinion from “BLM is good” to “BLM is bad because DR3,” all you’ll have accomplished is changing the flavor of his impotence. If you’re going to spend the effort to break through normie’s Crimestop, your goal should be to get him to stop seeing blacks as the measure of all things and start playing for his own team.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Spartan

    Agree. But if Steve (or his correspondent) still wants convince the Crimestopped, just use reverse psychology: "Of course I support BLM because BLM gets more blacks killed, and that's a good thing! Don't you agree?"

    , @Anonymous
    @Spartan


    Don’t bother. In changing normie’s opinion from “BLM is good” to “BLM is bad because DR3,” all you’ll have accomplished is changing the flavor of his impotence. If you’re going to spend the effort to break through normie’s Crimestop, your goal should be to get him to stop seeing blacks as the measure of all things and start playing for his own team.
     
    Paradoxically, the best thing Steve could do, for blacks and for Whites, would be to assert that White Lives Matter.

    Same goes for the rest of us.
  15. I don’t think you can convince certain people. “They” don’t care about facts.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @CSFurious

    Isn't that basically a proven fact? Don't studies show that the more facts you present people with that contradict their positions, the more firmly entrenched they get in those wrong positions? The position becomes their identity. It's like trying to convince a Red Sox fan that Red Sox fans are the most disgusting and stupid fans in all of sports.

    The one approach that I did find intriguing, though, was the whole "Walk Away" campaign, wherein former-liberals talked about how stupid they used to be before the scales fell from their eyes, etc. There's something about the whole personal-awakening narrative--anything akin to confessing your sins and getting baptized in a river before a supportive crowd--that appeals to certain human instincts, I think, and makes them feel like they are progressing in life and becoming better, smarter people. This phenomenon is certainly taking the Woke Wine Mom demographic by storm, as they ecstatically flagellate themselves while confessing that their entire lives had been poisoned by white-ignorance and privilege.

    So, perhaps, taking the position of, "Yes, I totally agree with you! I mean, I always did, but then I realized they were duping people like me and you. People like me and you--the good people--should be so mad right now..."

    I see more and more "Conservative" blacks popping up on the internet, on tv, etc., and it's clear that no matter what inspired their embrace of new values, they are basking in the novelty and glory of being "one of the smart ones" and seeking out the guaranteed approbation they will get from right-leaning white folks.

    So maybe even more of a focus on celebritizing liberal-converts to reason is the way to go.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  16. MTG visits the Holocaust Museum.

    • Replies: @Paul Rise
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Remember when some dolt race baiting DC council man had to go visit the holocaust museum some years back? There was a surreal Washington Post story back when the site was less pay wall-ey. Before it was just the Amazon Post.

    Replies: @jon

    , @Ron Mexico
    @JohnnyWalker123

    MTG is being hammered on Gab. "Nothing comparable to it..."? King Leopold, Stalin and Mao might disagree.

    , @Desiderius
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Just so excruciatingly stupid.

    If Never Again means anything it means not pretending that the canaries in the coal mine are the coal gas but taking people who see something and say something seriously.

    But white people love apologizing for shit they didn’t do. Wasted a lot of my life doing it too. Some kind of twisted Big Man thing.

  17. Anon[219] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m absolutely certain that giving blacks stimulus money meant they had the cash to buy guns and put down payments on cars they don’t know how to drive. Blacks survive better at an African level of technology. In a few months, they’ll spend it all and run out of ammo and total their cars. This means you should see a statistical drop in the amount of blacks being killed. It was an increase in the ability to buy material goods that caused a rise in black deaths.

  18. Blacks criminals are being emboldened by anti white media. This mindset could get you or your family members killed. It needs to stop.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Danindc

    If it were just gangsters killing each other, I wouldn't care, but I do care that their antics could and do harm decent people.

  19. I’m in a listserv argument at the moment, where my position is that the 2020-21 spike in violence is driven by young black males. Any chance you could point me toward hard data that I can use to back it up? (Just to be clear, the list members include many Republicans with bylines;

    What is your purpose? So that Republicans can use such information to argue that the increase in crime is really hurting black people? More of the old DR3 line? How about telling these Republican pundits that crime is bad because it’s bad for Whites. That illegal immigration is bad, not becuase it is “unfair to legal immigrants”, but because it, along with legal immigration, is bad for those Whites who are already citizens, who’s families have been citizens for centuries.

    If you want to convince those Republicans of something, convince them that they ought to start taking the side of the people who actually vote with/for them.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Mr. Anon


    How about telling these Republican pundits that crime is bad because it’s bad for Whites.
     
    Exactly! The Racial Reckoning has already convinced one mentally unstable black to literally go hunting Whites (thankfully, Sailer's Law means all 5 victims are likely to survive).
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/zeitgeist-poisoning/
    Things are only going to get worse if we don't start pushing back, and pushing back based on OUR rights, not pushing back based on some White Knight/Savior Complex bullshit.

    Replies: @Charon

    , @James Forrestal
    @Mr. Anon

    You got it. Sure, there's a general increase in murders due to depolicing/ Ferguson effect/ generally stirring up trouble, but the hegemonic "news" media narrative for the past year has involved unrelenting promotion of specifically anti-White hatred.

    It's a campaign of anti-White stochastic terrorism:

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism

    That's the deliberate, targeted aspect of it. Non-White casualties are just collateral damage.

  20. Anonymous[291] • Disclaimer says:

    You will *NEVER* persuade the ‘normies’, Steve.

    Put it this way, the amount of deceit, self deception, outright lying and denial in this particular debate is perhaps only matched by the notorious Victorian prudery hypocrisy in dealing with all matters sexual.
    In a word, you’re dealing with America’s ultimate taboo. A taboo in the true sense of the word, that is protracted ritualism and mortification for ‘offending the gods’.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    It’s a mere subsidiary taboo. The ultimate taboo is identifying the group that establishes and enforces such taboos.

  21. The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September…

    The SSA’s annual stats for newborns’ names are released in May. DeShawn ranks #918 for boys. DeAndre, 766. Precious, #960 for girls. Ebony, 961. These are tanking fast.

    “Laquisha is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name.”

    “Shaniqua is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name.”

    “Jaquarius is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name.”

    Of course, varied spellings of a name will show up separately, and thus much lower. The classic example is Stephen/Steven. There are a lot more Steves out there than their rankings would imply.

    The white Violet is “hot” at #37. The blacker Viola is still in the minor leagues with Shaniqua and Laquisha.

    https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi

    Top 20 ‘Whitest’ and ‘Blackest’ Names

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Reg Cæsar

    Funny that among the top 20 blackest boys' names are Reginald and Maurice - old blokes' names in England (eg the real names of Elton John and Michael Caine).

    Replies: @Julian of Norwich, @Desiderius

    , @Possumman
    @Reg Cæsar

    I thought this was the Dawning of the Age of Jaquarious!

    , @Barnard
    @Reg Cæsar

    Unintentional misspelling may lower some of these names, but probably not by much. Black birth rates have been declining and they seem to use a wider span of names than whites who stick to a shorter list of trendy names.

    , @jon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wanted to give my kids names that were normal, but still unique, so I chose older, traditional names I liked that weren't currently very popular. To my horror, when my daughter was just a toddler, I found out that she shared a name with a character on a popular, long-running TV show that I had personally never seen. Fortunately, the name never seemed to catch on with the masses. I can't imagine a bigger naming failure than that - making your kid go through life as one of a half dozen or so in her social circle that were named after a degenerate show that was on TV before they were even alive.

    Replies: @Burnett, @BenKenobi

    , @John Up North
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ever meet a black guy named Dan?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  22. According to current memetics, it now stands for Buck Loves Massa.

    Speaking of deserving awards: any chance you’ll be reviewing Tariq Nasheed’s extremely-true documentary Buck Breaking?

    • Replies: @gent
    @BenKenobi

    How the hell would you even get a giraffe to rape a guy anyway? Elaborate pully system?

    , @J.Ross
    @BenKenobi

    While the overall theme is lunatic martyrdom fantasy (and the artwork is hilarious), there is a good central theme present in the gayest movie about blacks since Poor Little White Boy or Gaynnnnnn From Outer Space: the desire for a traditional family and the recognition that gay activist "allies" are really antithetical to black interests.

  23. NYCs numbers are updated in near real-time. White on white murders were up a larger percentage than Black on Black, but from such a low number it really isn’t relevant.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/reports-analysis/crime-enf.page

    you can compare these reports to compstat.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  24. Thanks Steve. Your work is priceless.

    Pls anyone with professional experience of successfully answering such questions chip in.

  25. On similar note here are relevant Falchi e-mails pls archive before taken down:

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Desiderius

    Fauci?..... the movie?......I wonder if it will mention his role in funding gain of function experiments on corona viruses at the Wuhan lab........silly me ,of course not.

  26. But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

    Collect statistics from cities with largest increases and show as a percentage of last year’s homicide stats.

    The numbers are there but my question is who are you really trying to reach?

    There are basically three groups:

    1. People that assume the increase is driven by Blacks
    2. People that assume the increase is driven by Blacks but want to pretend it isn’t
    3. People that assume the increase is across the board or aren’t sure

    I don’t think convincing group #3 is that difficult if you can reach them.

    The problem is when group #2 pretends it is group #3.

    A lot of those normies are really just liberals trying to do damage control.

    The real unconvinced normies are not on the internet and work 50 hours a week, then they go home to watch 5 minutes of CNN to learn about how guns are the problem.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @John Johnson

    There's an enormous Group #4 [#1 really] who resolutely refuse to believe anything remotely negative about the Numinous Ones. These are people who consume mass media propaganda and there are about 300 million of them.

    And they don't believe that guns are the problem so much as they believe white people are the problem. Your move.

    , @Travis
    @John Johnson

    The elites in power today control the press, social media, our schools, churches and institutions. Most are aware that the BLM movement and the resulting protests and riots are partly responsible for the rise in Black violence and the increase in Blacks being killed by Blacks. But they feel it is more useful to continue their attacks on Whites and blame Black pathology on whites. The Whites in power today fear getting cancelled and the non-whites are constantly looking for ways to take their jobs and power. The easiest way to get ahead today is playing the grievance racket.

    The people in power do not care about rising Black violence since it rarely effects them. Even regular white Americans who realize the rise in Black murders is due to BLM are not too bothered by this increase in Black murders. The violence will need to get much worse and effect more whites for most whites to risk speaking up and losing their jobs.

    Persuading people is not the issue. Most Americans do not really care that Blacks are killing each other more today than a few years ago. Blacks have been killing each other for decades. People might become concerned if we get back the much higher murder rates of 1970-1994

  27. Rs with bylines shld also be aware of this:

    https://twitter.com/OfficialTRHL/status/1403902617089187841?s=20

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Desiderius

    They're not even pretending to uphold the rule of law anymore. Let's be serious here: in this context, "influence operator" is just a more ominous-sounding synonym for the common marketing term social media influencer. I'm kind of surprised they didn't go all out with something like "foreign malign influence operator and suspected purveyor of Slavic misinformation," though.

    It's a blueprint for sabotaging a competing narrative/ rival social media marketing campaign. I'm sure Coke would love to be able to do this to Pepsi -- or vice versa. Identify all nodes on the network over a certain size/ connectivity, and just nuke the ones that are promoting the other guy's product/ denigrating yours. Hey, the "right" product/ narrative is winning! How about that...

    Let's take a look at an analogy used in a notable Supreme Court decision with respect to social media censorship a couple of years back. The kritarchs inform us that social media oligopolies are the digital equivalent of the "modern public square," therefore the government can't prevent convicted pedophiles from virtually perambulating across them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packingham_v._North_Carolina#Opinion_of_the_Court

    If we apply that same analogy to this case, apparently all they have to do is contract with Securitas to patrol the "public square," and their guards can throw out anyone they want, for any reason or no reason. The "private" contractor can maintain a blacklist of people that they decided to ban from the "public square"...
    Oh, and the government doesn't care about these bans, as long as they can issue secret ban orders to the contractor as well. Because it's still a "public" square as long as no actual government employee is involved in the final stage of the banning process, or something.

    Uh huh.

    Also note that they clearly believe that the "right" narrative simply must dominate, and that heretics/ dissidents must be excluded -- not only at the mass media level, but even at lower levels of social media interaction. Because if the voters were exposed to alternative ["wrong"] narratives, they might vote the "wrong" way, you know. Is it just me, or are they openly acknowledging that the important level of control is at the level of narrative creation/ promotion, not voting? Who gets to "vote" on which narrative is the hegemonic one, hmm? They don't seem to have a whole lot of faith in the civics class version of "democracy"...

  28. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    In his new book Charles Murray seems to be going with 0.85 standard deviation as the black-white IQ difference, not 1.0 SD.

    I wonder if by using a figure smaller than almost everyone else he’s trying to pull the rug out from under critics.

    I remember that in Human Diversity he seemed to be leaving a lot on the table in his discussion of male-female IQ and biological differences. At the time I thought that he was going not for the probable or expert-consensus average, but rather for a more solid, beyond-reasonable-criticism position.

  29. Regarding the headline: “Persuade” properly means getting someone to take action. “Convince” means getting someone to have a belief. As I have noted before, I think people like Steve with creative, loose brains (“exuberant synapses,” a neuroscientist might say) are not superior at grammar, which is constrained and rules-based. So, one should accept, quite happily, Steve’s diminutive, trivial brain tradeoff. You can’t have everything, brain-wise. Just ask ask a STEM student to explain what a poem or a movie means. Now that’s a tradeoff that is not so small.

    • Replies: @jon
    @SafeNow


    “Persuade” properly means getting someone to take action.
     
    The reader is talking about "Republicans with bylines" so persuade seems fine. He wants them to take action - to write articles - and he is asking for help in doing that.
  30. To use an old liberal trope, you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. BLM is about resource extraction from Whites and it has been incredibly successful.

    • Agree: Coemgen, Desiderius
  31. “I’m good at figuring out what the truth is, but I’m not good at figuring out what will persuade people”

    Steve Sailor doesn’t give himself enough credit as a persuader and communicator.

    Trying to persuade individual people with data is a tough road. Mass persuasion can however happen over time with exposure and with social pressures. Very few people turn about their thinking based on evidence alone.

    The best data can do is remove resistance to coming to certain conclusions. But as Edward Bernays says, removing impediments to belief constitutes some of the most effective mass propaganda.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  32. If more whites were being killed, everyone knows there would be an uproar, so most of the additional victims must be black.

    If whites were killing more blacks, it would be on national TV every night, and they wouldn’t be asking Biden about ice cream.

  33. “a black”

    Christ you’re retarded, Sailer. I’m not big on PC but saying that just makes you sound like a boomer dweeb. But then again you are.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @AndrewR

    "I’m not big on PC"......no, you're not (you and Chucky use the word "retarded") but you are an asshole.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @AndrewR

    "boomer dweeb"

    Attacks on Sailer are attacks on Social Science.

    , @AnotherDad
    @AndrewR


    “a black”

    Christ you’re retarded, Sailer. I’m not big on PC but saying that just makes you sound like a boomer dweeb. But then again you are.
     
    Huh?

    What's your problem with that? "A white", "a Mexican", "an Italian", "a Catholic", "a Lutheran", "a conservative", "a liberal" ...

    Did you want him to capitalize it since he turned it into a noun? Are we Germans now?

    Do you want some clunky ass construction: "a black person mourning ..." That sound tedious to me. I supposed that makes me a boomer dweeb. But then again i am.
  34. @Reg Cæsar

    The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September...
     
    The SSA's annual stats for newborns' names are released in May. DeShawn ranks #918 for boys. DeAndre, 766. Precious, #960 for girls. Ebony, 961. These are tanking fast.

    "Laquisha is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Shaniqua is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Jaquarius is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    Of course, varied spellings of a name will show up separately, and thus much lower. The classic example is Stephen/Steven. There are a lot more Steves out there than their rankings would imply.

    The white Violet is "hot" at #37. The blacker Viola is still in the minor leagues with Shaniqua and Laquisha.

    https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi

    Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Possumman, @Barnard, @jon, @John Up North

    Funny that among the top 20 blackest boys’ names are Reginald and Maurice – old blokes’ names in England (eg the real names of Elton John and Michael Caine).

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Julian of Norwich
    @jimmyriddle

    Not a lot of people know that.

    , @Desiderius
    @jimmyriddle

    Black is the deepest shade of redneck and evidently Elizabethan English sounded like Hank Sr....

    There is something Shakespearean about the towering heights and abysmal lows of contemporary black American life that the milquetoast can only find their seats and observe at a distance.

    https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1405057485342392320?s=20

  35. Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Redneck farmer


    Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.
     
    Are you a sociopath? Do you have such little concern for the misery of the most vulnerable members of your own race?

    Replies: @Achilleus

    , @Kronos
    @Redneck farmer

    True, as long it’s confined to black underclass against black underclass. But if it widens to include blacks they enjoy and adhere to they’ll change their tone. These progressives don’t want shootouts in their nice neighborhoods against their well spoken black neighbors.

    https://youtu.be/MGHozy7YsMo

  36. Perhaps you could bribe them with a free Church’s or Popeye’s 3 piece dinner and a slice of watermelon for dessert.

    Maryland Fried Chicken has the best fast food chicken for White folks. Fried in peanut oil and they have crab rolls, “skrimp,” gizzard and liver dinner, tater tots, great rolls and slaw, a lot of choices. Only finding a MFC restaurant takes some doing. Only two I ever ate at were in Plant City, Florida and Albany, Ga. Lived in Maryland and never even heard of the restaurant. And it isn’t as if Md. is known for fried chicken. Steamed crabs, crab cakes, yeah, but fried chicken? Nope.

  37. @Reg Cæsar

    The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September...
     
    The SSA's annual stats for newborns' names are released in May. DeShawn ranks #918 for boys. DeAndre, 766. Precious, #960 for girls. Ebony, 961. These are tanking fast.

    "Laquisha is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Shaniqua is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Jaquarius is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    Of course, varied spellings of a name will show up separately, and thus much lower. The classic example is Stephen/Steven. There are a lot more Steves out there than their rankings would imply.

    The white Violet is "hot" at #37. The blacker Viola is still in the minor leagues with Shaniqua and Laquisha.

    https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi

    Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Possumman, @Barnard, @jon, @John Up North

    I thought this was the Dawning of the Age of Jaquarious!

    • LOL: jon
  38. @Reg Cæsar

    The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September...
     
    The SSA's annual stats for newborns' names are released in May. DeShawn ranks #918 for boys. DeAndre, 766. Precious, #960 for girls. Ebony, 961. These are tanking fast.

    "Laquisha is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Shaniqua is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Jaquarius is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    Of course, varied spellings of a name will show up separately, and thus much lower. The classic example is Stephen/Steven. There are a lot more Steves out there than their rankings would imply.

    The white Violet is "hot" at #37. The blacker Viola is still in the minor leagues with Shaniqua and Laquisha.

    https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi

    Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Possumman, @Barnard, @jon, @John Up North

    Unintentional misspelling may lower some of these names, but probably not by much. Black birth rates have been declining and they seem to use a wider span of names than whites who stick to a shorter list of trendy names.

  39. The poster is asking the wrong question. it is easy to show that a crime spike is driven by black males. The challenge is to convince pundits that publicly recognizing this fact is useful to their ends.

    • Replies: @MNL
    @Spangel223


    it is easy to show that a crime spike is driven by black males
     
    Good find then! It's indeed what most of Steve's readers know from the limited coverage we've seen so far. And it's what more will eventually see emprically. But if you know of such "easy" data sources now, please share. That's the point of the OP.
  40. @Desiderius
    On similar note here are relevant Falchi e-mails pls archive before taken down:

    https://twitter.com/GraduatedBen/status/1399939387924811780?s=20

    Replies: @tyrone

    Fauci?….. the movie?……I wonder if it will mention his role in funding gain of function experiments on corona viruses at the Wuhan lab……..silly me ,of course not.

  41. Here’s the fourth off-topic post.

    How about a moratorium on all kinds of immigration until the homelessness and affordable housing problems are resolved?

    Decades ago, Californians for Population Stabilization (I think) ran TV ads. One showed severe traffic congestion. Supposed social scientists: increased population has nothing to do with traffic congestion.

    • Replies: @anon
    @New Dealer

    How about a moratorium on all kinds of immigration until the homelessness and affordable housing problems are resolved?

    How about a free unicorn?

  42. Plot increase in numbers of murders against share city that is black.

    Portland will be a huge outlier if you go by % increase so you might want to try absolute increase too.

  43. To the reader, this is an opportunity to be more persuasive than normal. Make a prediction. Get the others to make predictions. People should often make predictions and then see how close they come to reality. If your predictions are correct then you have a good understanding of how things work. If your predictions do poorly then you need to rethink your view of the world.

    What would you guess? 90+% of trend breaking murders are of blacks by blacks. I would guess something like that. The percent increase of murderers who are black might be higher than the percent increase of murder victims who are black. Blacks maybe killing non-blacks but overwhelmingly both categories will be black.

    When your prediction comes true then take a short victory lap and encourage the others to rethink their worldview.

    isteve is a great place to start their education.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Scott66

    The percent of “trend-breaking” murders that are black/black may exceed 100%.

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Scott66

    Everyone knows Blacks are more criminal. Crime stats have been known for a century. White liberals who post BLM material run from Black neighborhoods.

    That's why there's White Flight.

    Don't try to talk them into accepting Black criminality (they already know it). Rather, shame them for not living in a Black neighborhood. Trust me, they're fakes.

  44. It is taboo to discuss the black murder rate and black misbehavior in general. Therefore you cannot discuss a worsening of black behavior since the initial topic is verboten. Yet you can discuss how the virus lockdown has affected everyone, and blacks are worst hit because of “systemic racism”. You can try pointing out the preceding; and if you first get people to recognize disparate behavior by blacks then they will be more open to a change in that disparate behavior.

  45. Rob says:

    Totally off topic, but on topic for this blog

    Chuck at human varieties did an interesting analysis of IQ and g factor PGS for religion and ethnicities in the US. Human varieties.org does not have it, but Archive.is does.
    https://archive.is/z1L1I
    Note first chart has PGS on x axis, others are reversed
    Most interesting are ethnicities and denominations far off the regression lines (R^2 from .9 to .97) Like on iq, PGS religion for whites only, Mormons, mainline (I assume) Protestants, Christian, and Nothing in Particular religions have almost identical IQ, but very different PGS (listed above from highest to lowest. Why do the genetics differ so much? What holds Mormons back relative to their common variants (and linkage with rarer stuff)? Why do the nothings have such high IQ, given their genes?

    I can see two possibilities right off the bat
    1) Mormons have more individually rare, ‘private’ alleles depressing IQ
    2)Mormons have a crappy environment for IQ, given their genes

    IQ moneyballers, please take a look. Gonna cross post this at Westhunt, see what he thinks

  46. MNL says:
    @Spangel223
    The poster is asking the wrong question. it is easy to show that a crime spike is driven by black males. The challenge is to convince pundits that publicly recognizing this fact is useful to their ends.

    Replies: @MNL

    it is easy to show that a crime spike is driven by black males

    Good find then! It’s indeed what most of Steve’s readers know from the limited coverage we’ve seen so far. And it’s what more will eventually see emprically. But if you know of such “easy” data sources now, please share. That’s the point of the OP.

  47. jon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I’m in a listserv argument at the moment, where my position is that the 2020-21 spike in violence is driven by young black males. Any chance you could point me toward hard data that I can use to back it up? (Just to be clear, the list members include many Republicans with bylines;
     
    What is your purpose? So that Republicans can use such information to argue that the increase in crime is really hurting black people? More of the old DR3 line? How about telling these Republican pundits that crime is bad because it's bad for Whites. That illegal immigration is bad, not becuase it is "unfair to legal immigrants", but because it, along with legal immigration, is bad for those Whites who are already citizens, who's families have been citizens for centuries.

    If you want to convince those Republicans of something, convince them that they ought to start taking the side of the people who actually vote with/for them.

    Replies: @jon, @James Forrestal

    How about telling these Republican pundits that crime is bad because it’s bad for Whites.

    Exactly! The Racial Reckoning has already convinced one mentally unstable black to literally go hunting Whites (thankfully, Sailer’s Law means all 5 victims are likely to survive).
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/zeitgeist-poisoning/
    Things are only going to get worse if we don’t start pushing back, and pushing back based on OUR rights, not pushing back based on some White Knight/Savior Complex bullshit.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @jon

    One? ONE??

  48. jon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September...
     
    The SSA's annual stats for newborns' names are released in May. DeShawn ranks #918 for boys. DeAndre, 766. Precious, #960 for girls. Ebony, 961. These are tanking fast.

    "Laquisha is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Shaniqua is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Jaquarius is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    Of course, varied spellings of a name will show up separately, and thus much lower. The classic example is Stephen/Steven. There are a lot more Steves out there than their rankings would imply.

    The white Violet is "hot" at #37. The blacker Viola is still in the minor leagues with Shaniqua and Laquisha.

    https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi

    Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Possumman, @Barnard, @jon, @John Up North

    I wanted to give my kids names that were normal, but still unique, so I chose older, traditional names I liked that weren’t currently very popular. To my horror, when my daughter was just a toddler, I found out that she shared a name with a character on a popular, long-running TV show that I had personally never seen. Fortunately, the name never seemed to catch on with the masses. I can’t imagine a bigger naming failure than that – making your kid go through life as one of a half dozen or so in her social circle that were named after a degenerate show that was on TV before they were even alive.

    • Replies: @Burnett
    @jon

    Let me guess - Phoebe?

    Replies: @jon

    , @BenKenobi
    @jon

    Heh, there are a lot of little girls currently named Danaerys or Khaleesi.

  49. @SafeNow
    Regarding the headline: “Persuade” properly means getting someone to take action. “Convince” means getting someone to have a belief. As I have noted before, I think people like Steve with creative, loose brains (“exuberant synapses,” a neuroscientist might say) are not superior at grammar, which is constrained and rules-based. So, one should accept, quite happily, Steve’s diminutive, trivial brain tradeoff. You can’t have everything, brain-wise. Just ask ask a STEM student to explain what a poem or a movie means. Now that’s a tradeoff that is not so small.

    Replies: @jon

    “Persuade” properly means getting someone to take action.

    The reader is talking about “Republicans with bylines” so persuade seems fine. He wants them to take action – to write articles – and he is asking for help in doing that.

  50. @CSFurious
    I don't think you can convince certain people. "They" don't care about facts.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Isn’t that basically a proven fact? Don’t studies show that the more facts you present people with that contradict their positions, the more firmly entrenched they get in those wrong positions? The position becomes their identity. It’s like trying to convince a Red Sox fan that Red Sox fans are the most disgusting and stupid fans in all of sports.

    The one approach that I did find intriguing, though, was the whole “Walk Away” campaign, wherein former-liberals talked about how stupid they used to be before the scales fell from their eyes, etc. There’s something about the whole personal-awakening narrative–anything akin to confessing your sins and getting baptized in a river before a supportive crowd–that appeals to certain human instincts, I think, and makes them feel like they are progressing in life and becoming better, smarter people. This phenomenon is certainly taking the Woke Wine Mom demographic by storm, as they ecstatically flagellate themselves while confessing that their entire lives had been poisoned by white-ignorance and privilege.

    So, perhaps, taking the position of, “Yes, I totally agree with you! I mean, I always did, but then I realized they were duping people like me and you. People like me and you–the good people–should be so mad right now…”

    I see more and more “Conservative” blacks popping up on the internet, on tv, etc., and it’s clear that no matter what inspired their embrace of new values, they are basking in the novelty and glory of being “one of the smart ones” and seeking out the guaranteed approbation they will get from right-leaning white folks.

    So maybe even more of a focus on celebritizing liberal-converts to reason is the way to go.

    • Agree: CSFurious
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @JimDandy

    So, perhaps, taking the position of, “Yes, I totally agree with you! I mean, I always did, but then I realized they were duping people like me and you. People like me and you–the good people–should be so mad right now…”

    I found an approach that wasn't far off.

    Once I accepted liberalism as a religion it made it a lot easier when dealing with them. Many liberals can be flipped through the temptation of being an independent. For many Whites liberalism is a burdensome religion that they have to constantly rationalize. They often just need a role model to show them that they can leave liberalism without becoming their parents. Too many fall for intellectual vanity and believe the smart look is to adopt liberalism. Once they spend time around someone independent this can quickly wear off.

    I have also f-d the liberalism out of a woman. She even had a liberal boyfriend at the time.

    Treat it as a secular religion and not an intellectual framework. Most liberals are indoctrinated to where they immediately shut down if you start pointing out problems or contradictions. The ones that argue online know that it requires dishonesty.

    Replies: @Anon

  51. How Should I Persuade Pundits That BLM = Black Lives Murdered?

    Tell them that Dr. Fauci Scientific Research has proven that if he were alive today* Emmett Till would have had his career as a promising rapper aborted cut short because he would have been killed by police because Black Lives Murder.

    Upon reflection, negroes understand neither the subjunctive mood nor the pluperfect tense. To negroes, either it be, or it not be. Hypertheticals are too confusing. Just tell them Because Emmett Till.

    I want bonus points for this one. Used Emmett Till twice and subjunctive and pluperfect.

  52. The sad reality is that the woke press (NYT, WaPost, etc.), flatly rejects the notion of black criminality and villainy. The woke press only seeks out stories concerning white racism or villainy. As such Steve, I recommend making the case for the absurd uptick in murder numbers being about the cops pulling back (i.e.,The Ferguson Effect). In that way, the press will more readily accept the objective reality of the large increase in blacks murdering blacks, but will have a handy villain (the cops, or more specifically white cops) to blame it on.

    A pretty harsh decision to make, but the media will only countenance black-on-black crime if they can somehow blame it on whitey.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @PaceLaw

    liberals do not flatly reject Black criminality. They try to ignore Black violence and hide the facts from the public because they fear the facts will disrupt their agenda. They are fully aware of the facts, which is why they censor the them from being disseminated. Our media, schools, government and churches have been actively suppressing the truth about Blacks for decades. White leftists have always acted in ways which demonstrates they fear living near Blacks and spend huge sums of money to keep live away from Blacks and keep their children away from Blacks. We do not need to convince them, they are convinced that Blacks are inherently prone to violence and lack the intellect to succeed in the world without affirmative action and assistance from whites.

    If we should persuade them about anything it is that coddling Blacks just makes their behaviors worse. Teaching critical race theory just makes Blacks resent Whites and hinders their ability to overcome the obstacles they face. Defunding the police, eliminating cash bail and freeing Blacks from prison will be a disaster for Black lives. Teaching blacks that Whites are the source of their problems has not helped Blacks, it has harmed them and made so many of them resentful of whites while feeling entitled to stuff because they are Black.

    Many progressive whites and the woke actually believe that giving Blacks more affirmative action, more free goodies at the expense of whites will help Blacks. this is the core of the issue. They already know that Blacks are more violent and less intelligent than whites, which is the reason they prohibit people from discussing the data and facts.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  53. I think that Steve’s statements on rise in mass shootings and mass woundings in cities are good ones.

    The car jackings thing may also be compelling:

    You guys remember the killing of a black retired firefighter in Chicago during an attempted carjacking in late 2020?

    This article uses it as a jumping off point to discuss some local stats about carjacking by youngsters:

    The assault on Williams, captured on surveillance video recently released by the Chicago police in an effort to identify and catch his killers, focused attention on a dramatic spike in carjackings there. In all of 2019, there were 501 incidents of that crime. So far that number has more than doubled to 1,125 this year, according to the latest Chicago police statistics.

    But Chicago is neither the only nor the worst example of this disturbing crime trend. Minneapolis police report that carjackings there have shot up 537% this year. Carjacking calls to 911 in New Orleans are up 126%. Oakland police cite an increase of 38%. And while many police departments do not keep carjacking-specific numbers, instead classifying them as auto theft or armed robbery, crime experts like Chris Herrmann, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, say anecdotal reports of a carjacking surge are coming in from metropolitan areas around the country including Milwaukee, Louisville, Nashville and Kansas City.

    Data for auto theft is easier to come by and, according to Herrmann, the numbers show that crime is also spiking in many cities this year, including a rise of 68% in New York, 36% in Los Angeles and 34% in Philadelphia. But carjackings draw attention as the violent, potentially fatal version of auto theft.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/carjackings-skyrocketed-parts-country-pandemic/story?id=74674597

    And generally in Chicago:
    “Chicago crime statistics show shootings, murders up 50% in 2020”
    https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-2020-shooting-crime-stats-statistics/9250374/

    Just to set the mind, who the heck would be doing these shootings? Preppies shouting “This is MAGA country!”

    Anyway this is all more in terms of points that i think would be compelling to people at least minimally open to examining the phenomena.

  54. @Mr. Anon

    I’m in a listserv argument at the moment, where my position is that the 2020-21 spike in violence is driven by young black males. Any chance you could point me toward hard data that I can use to back it up? (Just to be clear, the list members include many Republicans with bylines;
     
    What is your purpose? So that Republicans can use such information to argue that the increase in crime is really hurting black people? More of the old DR3 line? How about telling these Republican pundits that crime is bad because it's bad for Whites. That illegal immigration is bad, not becuase it is "unfair to legal immigrants", but because it, along with legal immigration, is bad for those Whites who are already citizens, who's families have been citizens for centuries.

    If you want to convince those Republicans of something, convince them that they ought to start taking the side of the people who actually vote with/for them.

    Replies: @jon, @James Forrestal

    You got it. Sure, there’s a general increase in murders due to depolicing/ Ferguson effect/ generally stirring up trouble, but the hegemonic “news” media narrative for the past year has involved unrelenting promotion of specifically anti-White hatred.

    It’s a campaign of anti-White stochastic terrorism:

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism

    That’s the deliberate, targeted aspect of it. Non-White casualties are just collateral damage.

  55. @New Dealer
    Here's the fourth off-topic post.

    How about a moratorium on all kinds of immigration until the homelessness and affordable housing problems are resolved?

    Decades ago, Californians for Population Stabilization (I think) ran TV ads. One showed severe traffic congestion. Supposed social scientists: increased population has nothing to do with traffic congestion.

    Replies: @anon

    How about a moratorium on all kinds of immigration until the homelessness and affordable housing problems are resolved?

    How about a free unicorn?

    • LOL: Achilleus
  56. Proving the bump from the Racial Reckoning might be impossible for the moment. A good tool to help get them up to speed on black violence overall is mass-shootings.info. The front page full of faces, and the interactive aspect, give an ice-water jolt. Tell them to take a good look at 2020.

  57. @Luke Lea
    Black Lives Matter => Black Lives Don't Matter?

    Replies: @Kronos

    How about “Black Lives Mattered.”

  58. Echoing some other commenters: What’s the point? So the liberals can re-calibrate their anti-white movement so that it hurts whites more than blacks?

    • Agree: photondancer
  59. How Should I Persuade Pundits That BLM = Black Lives Murdered?

    I’ve sort of drifted back into listening to Scott Adams youtube videos again. I’m not a fan of his, just an observer. I’m struck (and sort of put off) by his ongoing emphasis on persuasion that seems to focus on appealing to the most simplistic elements of people’s thought processes (rather than on meaningful revelation.) Most disheartening to me about his approach is knowing at some level that it’s probably effective.

    With that in mind, the ability of someone following the truth to persuade pundits with different goals might be dubious. On the other hand, I’ve seen perspectives from people like Steve Sailer, Pat Buchanan and even Kevin MacDonald gradually filter into more main steam media discussion over the years, so maybe something will come of it. Truly and sincerely, good luck.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @vhrm
    @J1234


    I’ve sort of drifted back into listening to Scott Adams youtube videos again. I’m not a fan of his, just an observer. I’m struck (and sort of put off) by his ongoing emphasis on persuasion that seems to focus on appealing to the most simplistic elements of people’s thought processes (rather than on meaningful revelation.) Most disheartening to me about his approach is knowing at some level that it’s probably effective.
     
    I've only watched a few hours of his stuff over the years and i have similar feelings.

    A whole heck of a lot more goes into shaping people's beliefs and actions than a logical argument. Especially a logical argument presented once. This is probably true of even the most fastidious 1% and it sure as heck it's true of the large majority of people.
  60. @BenKenobi
    According to current memetics, it now stands for Buck Loves Massa.

    Speaking of deserving awards: any chance you’ll be reviewing Tariq Nasheed’s extremely-true documentary Buck Breaking?

    Replies: @gent, @J.Ross

    How the hell would you even get a giraffe to rape a guy anyway? Elaborate pully system?

  61. OT – The Tolkien Society gets woke:

    https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/tolkien-society-summer-seminar/

    This is the first step in the abolishment of Tolkien. First they try to co-opt him into the DIE movement. Then they just cancel him.

  62. How to persuade? Try these two approaches:

    1) Pundits and normies alike hate to be wrong on matters of fact; so show them.

    2) Predicting the future, or predicting a specific result, is scary and uncanny. So do it.

    Show them your graph about the Floyd effect on murder rates. Show them your rule of thumb that predicts the race of mass shooters. Show them the Most Important Graph about population growth in Africa. Show them that half of all convicted murderers are black, when only 13% of the population is black.

    What you’ve got going against you is that people are convinced emotionally, and not by reason. But the things you’ve pointed out are so shocking, and are so easily proven, that you might be able to get through their bias.

  63. The man can turn a phrase.

  64. Here’s how I do it. I say, “Google any mid-to-major city, and if the first shooting victim that comes up isn’t black, you get $20.” Okay, so …

    Omaha: https://gunmemorial.org/2021/04/17/traquez-swift

    Minneapolis: https://www.startribune.com/dontevius-ahmad-catchings-identified-as-men-fatally-shot-at-shiloh-temple/600068152/

    Wichita: https://www.ksn.com/news/crime/two-victims-injured-in-south-wichita-shooting/

    St. Louis:

    Kansas City: https://fox4kc.com/news/man-charged-in-sunday-deadly-shooting-of-kansas-city-woman-in-front-of-their-kids/

    Nashville: https://www.wkrn.com/news/crime-tracker/man-wanted-for-questioning-regarding-downtown-nashville-shooting/?ipid=promo-link

    Little Rock: https://www.fox16.com/news/lrpd-suspect-arrested-in-monday-night-roosevelt-road-fatal-shooting/

    Dallas: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/at-least-4-injured-in-pleasant-grove-
    shooting/2655363/

    Charlotte: https://www.wbtv.com/2021/06/12/person-shot-charlotte-club-crashes-into-fire-station-door/

    Richmond: https://www.nbc12.com/2021/05/07/fifth-arrest-made-shooting-that-killed-mom-baby/

    Cincinnati: https://www.wlwt.com/article/two-children-ages-6-and-8-in-critical-condition-following-quadruple-shooting/36715433#

    Cleveland: https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/06/14/gas-station-parking-lot-dispute-escalates-violence-leaves-3-dead-clevelands-east-side/

    Grand Rapids: https://www.woodtv.com/news/grand-rapids/anti-violence-rally-planned-after-15-year-old-shot-killed-in-gr/

    Orlando: https://www.wkrg.com/news/she-didnt-deserve-this-vigil-held-for-mobile-woman-shot-by-husband-in-orlando/

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Marty

    Very good. I think that will be my next mass mailout. Thanks.

  65. How do you persuade … ? I don’t think it is possible. For a pundit to conclude that a putatively pro-negro organization that allows more negro freedom actually allows negroes to regress to their natural state, a pundit would have to believe that negroes are inherently violent, have poor impulse control and future time orientation, and do not accept responsibility for their actions. For a pundit to conclude that BLM is harmful to negroes and that, paradoxically, Jim Crow was beneficial for negroes, a pundit would have to cease being a pundit and commence being a race realist.

    For that change to occur, news items about negroes randomly murdering whites close to where pundits live could be somewhat effective. Make it factual. Make it personal.

    Although pundits are capable of the subjunctive mood, their social environment inculcates the belief that any criticism on negroes is horrible, more so than cannibalism, pedophilia, necrophilia or incest. Intense emotions would be needed to counter the taboos. Make it factual. Make it personal.

    Anecdotes (actual real factual stories) about negroes engaging in cannibalism, pedophilia, necrophilia or incest would be effective.

    • Replies: @Achilleus
    @James Speaks


    …BLM is harmful to negroes and that, paradoxically, Jim Crow was beneficial for negroes…
     
    Yes.

    But more importantly, Jim Crow was beneficial, perhaps essential, for the White majority.

    We have to stop arguing from the basis of what is good for negroes. 70 years of that has cost us a fortune, crowded out real civilized human progress, and given us worse negroes.
  66. @AndrewR
    "a black"

    Christ you're retarded, Sailer. I'm not big on PC but saying that just makes you sound like a boomer dweeb. But then again you are.

    Replies: @tyrone, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

    “I’m not big on PC”……no, you’re not (you and Chucky use the word “retarded”) but you are an asshole.

  67. Buffalo with a population of 250K has had 138 shootings and 38 murders as of last week…almost all black victims and perps Those are Third World numbers.Does that help your research?

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Buffalo Joe

    Philadelphia reached 499 murders last year, just short of the record set in 1990 when 500 were murdered but they are on pace to have 660 murders this year. Might even get to 700 murders in 2021. My sister just bought a home in Philly last month, sold her house in Montgomery County to move back into the city.

  68. @Reg Cæsar

    The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September...
     
    The SSA's annual stats for newborns' names are released in May. DeShawn ranks #918 for boys. DeAndre, 766. Precious, #960 for girls. Ebony, 961. These are tanking fast.

    "Laquisha is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Shaniqua is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    "Jaquarius is not in the top 1000 names for any year of birth beginning with 2000.
    Please enter another name."

    Of course, varied spellings of a name will show up separately, and thus much lower. The classic example is Stephen/Steven. There are a lot more Steves out there than their rankings would imply.

    The white Violet is "hot" at #37. The blacker Viola is still in the minor leagues with Shaniqua and Laquisha.

    https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/babyname.cgi

    Top 20 'Whitest' and 'Blackest' Names

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Possumman, @Barnard, @jon, @John Up North

    Ever meet a black guy named Dan?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @John Up North

    Closest I can think of to a black man named Dan is actor Danny Glover.

    I think there may have been a black NFL player in the 1960s named Dan.

  69. I’m having a hard time imagining a possibility other than “young black males”. What are these list serve people thinking?

  70. Its heartbreaking! What should I have for dinner tonight?🤔

  71. @Desiderius
    Rs with bylines shld also be aware of this:

    https://twitter.com/OfficialTRHL/status/1403902617089187841?s=20

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    They’re not even pretending to uphold the rule of law anymore. Let’s be serious here: in this context, “influence operator” is just a more ominous-sounding synonym for the common marketing term social media influencer. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t go all out with something like “foreign malign influence operator and suspected purveyor of Slavic misinformation,” though.

    It’s a blueprint for sabotaging a competing narrative/ rival social media marketing campaign. I’m sure Coke would love to be able to do this to Pepsi — or vice versa. Identify all nodes on the network over a certain size/ connectivity, and just nuke the ones that are promoting the other guy’s product/ denigrating yours. Hey, the “right” product/ narrative is winning! How about that…

    Let’s take a look at an analogy used in a notable Supreme Court decision with respect to social media censorship a couple of years back. The kritarchs inform us that social media oligopolies are the digital equivalent of the “modern public square,” therefore the government can’t prevent convicted pedophiles from virtually perambulating across them:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packingham_v._North_Carolina#Opinion_of_the_Court

    If we apply that same analogy to this case, apparently all they have to do is contract with Securitas to patrol the “public square,” and their guards can throw out anyone they want, for any reason or no reason. The “private” contractor can maintain a blacklist of people that they decided to ban from the “public square”…
    Oh, and the government doesn’t care about these bans, as long as they can issue secret ban orders to the contractor as well. Because it’s still a “public” square as long as no actual government employee is involved in the final stage of the banning process, or something.

    Uh huh.

    Also note that they clearly believe that the “right” narrative simply must dominate, and that heretics/ dissidents must be excluded — not only at the mass media level, but even at lower levels of social media interaction. Because if the voters were exposed to alternative [“wrong”] narratives, they might vote the “wrong” way, you know. Is it just me, or are they openly acknowledging that the important level of control is at the level of narrative creation/ promotion, not voting? Who gets to “vote” on which narrative is the hegemonic one, hmm? They don’t seem to have a whole lot of faith in the civics class version of “democracy”…

  72. One source is Black Harvard Professor Roland Fryer’s second paper: “Policing the Police”, published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

  73. @BenKenobi
    According to current memetics, it now stands for Buck Loves Massa.

    Speaking of deserving awards: any chance you’ll be reviewing Tariq Nasheed’s extremely-true documentary Buck Breaking?

    Replies: @gent, @J.Ross

    While the overall theme is lunatic martyrdom fantasy (and the artwork is hilarious), there is a good central theme present in the gayest movie about blacks since Poor Little White Boy or Gaynnnnnn From Outer Space: the desire for a traditional family and the recognition that gay activist “allies” are really antithetical to black interests.

  74. PSR says:

    But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

    How about picking up newspapers in any decent sized American city for any week in the past year. Almost guaranteed that in a given week there will several shootings for unknown motive and the suspects will almost always be black, or if unidentified, the victim’s name will be some typically black name (i.e., made up and unpronounceable).
    It’s so bad in Columbus that “community activists” are begging thugs to give it a rest on Junteenth, just for one day.
    Magic eight ball says ‘Seems unlikely.”

  75. @Scott66
    To the reader, this is an opportunity to be more persuasive than normal. Make a prediction. Get the others to make predictions. People should often make predictions and then see how close they come to reality. If your predictions are correct then you have a good understanding of how things work. If your predictions do poorly then you need to rethink your view of the world.

    What would you guess? 90+% of trend breaking murders are of blacks by blacks. I would guess something like that. The percent increase of murderers who are black might be higher than the percent increase of murder victims who are black. Blacks maybe killing non-blacks but overwhelmingly both categories will be black.

    When your prediction comes true then take a short victory lap and encourage the others to rethink their worldview.

    isteve is a great place to start their education.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @RichardTaylor

    The percent of “trend-breaking” murders that are black/black may exceed 100%.

  76. It is easy Mr Sailer. Always go more progressive.

    1. Argue that criminals are a victim of circumstance. Elaborate with progressive dogma.

    2. Point out that blacks have increased as a percentage of that particular victim group. Elaborate with the astonishing statistical details.

    3. Blame white supremacy for this victimisation of blacks. In particular, highlight institutions inimical to the Democratic party, like the police, as at fault, and call for their reform to save black lives. This time, argue for increased funding to help the police to help both the poor black victims, who are criminals, and their poor black victims.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Exactly right. In fact, go broke or go home, blame the person you're talking to for the increase in black on black murders and watch how quickly they become conservatives, holding them accountable for their own misbehavior.

  77. Pundits…

    It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.
    –Sinclair Lewis, 1934

  78. This just in: Mass shooting on south side of Chicago,four wounded,four dead. Near my old stomping grounds in Englewood.

    Well, batting .500.

    May be more than one shooter. Really,this is some depraved [email protected]!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    Gaspar, using the website 'Hey Jackass' as a source, there have been over 1660 shootings year to date in Chicago. What an amazing number and not halfway through the year. Stay safe.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Gaspar DeLaFunk


    ,four wounded,four dead.
     
    Mulatto? Or does Sailer's Law of Mass Shootings follow the one-drop rule?
  79. Imagine if White CivNats cared as much about their own race.

    You were fine with decades of misery imposed on regular Whites by affirmative action, “civil rights”, fair housing laws that destroyed neighborhoods, and forced bussing.

    CivNats think Jews & Yuppies are clever for working side deals to protect themselves at the expense of Whites. But, when poor sweet Blacks are getting harmed, they get active!

  80. All you have to do is introduce them to heyjackass.com and the mission is accomplished.

  81. • Replies: @Anon
    @bruce county

    A website that gathered crime news from all over the nation and named names would be very popular with the general public. "If it bleeds, it leads."

  82. @jimmyriddle
    @Reg Cæsar

    Funny that among the top 20 blackest boys' names are Reginald and Maurice - old blokes' names in England (eg the real names of Elton John and Michael Caine).

    Replies: @Julian of Norwich, @Desiderius

    Not a lot of people know that.

  83. @Scott66
    To the reader, this is an opportunity to be more persuasive than normal. Make a prediction. Get the others to make predictions. People should often make predictions and then see how close they come to reality. If your predictions are correct then you have a good understanding of how things work. If your predictions do poorly then you need to rethink your view of the world.

    What would you guess? 90+% of trend breaking murders are of blacks by blacks. I would guess something like that. The percent increase of murderers who are black might be higher than the percent increase of murder victims who are black. Blacks maybe killing non-blacks but overwhelmingly both categories will be black.

    When your prediction comes true then take a short victory lap and encourage the others to rethink their worldview.

    isteve is a great place to start their education.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @RichardTaylor

    Everyone knows Blacks are more criminal. Crime stats have been known for a century. White liberals who post BLM material run from Black neighborhoods.

    That’s why there’s White Flight.

    Don’t try to talk them into accepting Black criminality (they already know it). Rather, shame them for not living in a Black neighborhood. Trust me, they’re fakes.

  84. @Anonymous
    You will *NEVER* persuade the 'normies', Steve.

    Put it this way, the amount of deceit, self deception, outright lying and denial in this particular debate is perhaps only matched by the notorious Victorian prudery hypocrisy in dealing with all matters sexual.
    In a word, you're dealing with America's ultimate taboo. A taboo in the true sense of the word, that is protracted ritualism and mortification for 'offending the gods'.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    It’s a mere subsidiary taboo. The ultimate taboo is identifying the group that establishes and enforces such taboos.

  85. @anon
    If you really care, then document the hell out of it.

    The MSM is already claiming that CRT is a figment of the right's imagination, and no one ever heard of this rightist straw man pre Tucker Carlson.

    History is constantly being retconned.

    I suppose it isn't that surprising or even new. In the US, by the mid 50's, it was conventional in elite circles to decry strategic bombing and nuking Japan. Whereas, in the late 40's both were wildly popular and beyond criticism. Although I am certain of this, it would be very labor intensive to document.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/critical-race-theory-invades-school-boards-help-conservative-groups-n1270794

    Replies: @mc23

    In the fifties a lot of people were still comfortable with the atomic bombs being dropped on Japan.

    This was a number one hit in Japan in 1958.

  86. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer
    Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.

    Are you a sociopath? Do you have such little concern for the misery of the most vulnerable members of your own race?

    • Replies: @Achilleus
    @Anonymous



    Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.
     
    Are you a sociopath? Do you have such little concern for the misery of the most vulnerable members of your own race?
     
    I think he is presenting the Elite perspective here; the more dead dirt people, of whatever race, the better for the cloud people.
  87. @Anon
    A sort of aberration of Sailer's Law: https://abc7chicago.com/10792440/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1CM_LzJL2st8ZqPFxXLU6TX5ku-9Vz3DLo5fliZwOrvsXeyVMbVfTr7ag

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …CPD Superintendent David Brown said three of those killed were female victims, and one was male.

    Well, that’s efficient.

    One of the victims of the Austin shooting has since died. He worked for Ford in Michigan, but hailed from Airmont, New York– near a giant Ford plant that had closed before he was born, and of which Bruce Springsteen sang. Airmont has a fascinating zoning litigation history, all about black hats rather than black skin.

    A second victim, described as a “single mother of five”, is near death.

    • Replies: @Paul Rise
    @Reg Cæsar

    Only tourists in Austin are clueless enough to go to 6th st after dark. Poor guy, he probably was told how safe the downtown is. No one who works down there anymore says this.

  88. How Should I Persuade Pundits That BLM = Black Lives Murdered?

    Forget it, Steve. It’s Hymietown.

  89. @bruce county

    AP says it will no longer name suspects in minor crimes
     
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ap-says-it-will-no-longer-name-suspects-in-minor-crimes/ar-AAL4WKz?li=AAggXBV

    Replies: @Anon

    A website that gathered crime news from all over the nation and named names would be very popular with the general public. “If it bleeds, it leads.”

  90. I think self-immolation would be as effective as trying to make a case to people, that don’t already know the shot.

    The Days of Argument are long gone.

    What follows?

  91. This time-series graph of homicides and accompanying algorithmic change-point analysis shows that the takeoff in murders happened after George Floyd’s killing.

  92. @OilcanFloyd
    The military may be a source for some of the weapons:

    https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-gun-politics-crime-6caba27108d05a8b7c1860959d1ae130

    If this article is correct, it shouldn't be a mystery that weapons are turning up in street crimes, since there has been a gang problem in the military for decades. Is it a surprise that the military brass would be worried about Confederate flags on military bases instead?

    At this point, I can't see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @SunBakedSuburb, @YetAnotherAnon

    I can’t see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war.

    At the rate things are going the U.S. military wouldn’t be able to beat Ecuador or Barbados.

    It won’t matter anyway. China and Russia have better things to do and the U.S. will die a self-inflicted death. It’s already well underway.

  93. @Old and Grumpy
    You won't. They know, and its why they and their families are leaving the cities. For whatever reason black lives murder is still worth it to the pundits class's masters. So the insanity continues.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans

    Unfortunately, negroes and their endless antics (violent crime is just one) are spreading to the suburbs and have been for a good while. It’s about to get turbocharged.

  94. • Replies: @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    >San Francisco
    They were probably just glad he didn't Biden all over the floor.

    , @anon
    @MEH 0910

    Just reparations, nothing to see, move along.


    If I owned stock in Walgreens Boots Alliance (WBA)

    https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=wba

    I might be asking the CEO when the rest of the stores in the Bay Area would be closed, to cut such losses.

    Or maybe not.
    https://www.walgreensbootsalliance.com/about-us/leadership/rosalind-brewer

    , @Charon
    @MEH 0910

    Why on earth did that make the local news? Because it was SF? This happens all the time where I live, in a more "legacy" metropolis.

    They have no idea what they're missing.

    , @John Johnson
    @MEH 0910

    Well they have their phones ready!

  95. Any bets, more or fewer homicides on our soon to be new federal holiday??

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1404921783854186498

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @CCZ

    Oh great, another holiday that only government and financial industry employees will get the day off for. No discussion, of course, of how our government - currently spending $2 trillion more than it collects in taxes each year - plans to pay for it. Or maybe in the case of government a day when they're not working means a day they aren't around to spend money. Given what Biden wants government employees to do on his watch perhaps that's not a bad thing.

  96. @John Johnson
    But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

    Collect statistics from cities with largest increases and show as a percentage of last year's homicide stats.

    The numbers are there but my question is who are you really trying to reach?

    There are basically three groups:

    1. People that assume the increase is driven by Blacks
    2. People that assume the increase is driven by Blacks but want to pretend it isn't
    3. People that assume the increase is across the board or aren't sure

    I don't think convincing group #3 is that difficult if you can reach them.

    The problem is when group #2 pretends it is group #3.

    A lot of those normies are really just liberals trying to do damage control.

    The real unconvinced normies are not on the internet and work 50 hours a week, then they go home to watch 5 minutes of CNN to learn about how guns are the problem.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Travis

    There’s an enormous Group #4 [#1 really] who resolutely refuse to believe anything remotely negative about the Numinous Ones. These are people who consume mass media propaganda and there are about 300 million of them.

    And they don’t believe that guns are the problem so much as they believe white people are the problem. Your move.

  97. @John Johnson
    But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

    Collect statistics from cities with largest increases and show as a percentage of last year's homicide stats.

    The numbers are there but my question is who are you really trying to reach?

    There are basically three groups:

    1. People that assume the increase is driven by Blacks
    2. People that assume the increase is driven by Blacks but want to pretend it isn't
    3. People that assume the increase is across the board or aren't sure

    I don't think convincing group #3 is that difficult if you can reach them.

    The problem is when group #2 pretends it is group #3.

    A lot of those normies are really just liberals trying to do damage control.

    The real unconvinced normies are not on the internet and work 50 hours a week, then they go home to watch 5 minutes of CNN to learn about how guns are the problem.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @Travis

    The elites in power today control the press, social media, our schools, churches and institutions. Most are aware that the BLM movement and the resulting protests and riots are partly responsible for the rise in Black violence and the increase in Blacks being killed by Blacks. But they feel it is more useful to continue their attacks on Whites and blame Black pathology on whites. The Whites in power today fear getting cancelled and the non-whites are constantly looking for ways to take their jobs and power. The easiest way to get ahead today is playing the grievance racket.

    The people in power do not care about rising Black violence since it rarely effects them. Even regular white Americans who realize the rise in Black murders is due to BLM are not too bothered by this increase in Black murders. The violence will need to get much worse and effect more whites for most whites to risk speaking up and losing their jobs.

    Persuading people is not the issue. Most Americans do not really care that Blacks are killing each other more today than a few years ago. Blacks have been killing each other for decades. People might become concerned if we get back the much higher murder rates of 1970-1994

  98. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/1404834911106830348

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Charon, @John Johnson

    >San Francisco
    They were probably just glad he didn’t Biden all over the floor.

  99. This is what I was talking about all the principals of the movie Soul Power figuring out when they went to Zaire. Every last one of them got a lot less radical quick. They didn’t side with the Bantu.

  100. anon[555] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/1404834911106830348

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Charon, @John Johnson

    Just reparations, nothing to see, move along.

    If I owned stock in Walgreens Boots Alliance (WBA)

    https://finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=wba

    I might be asking the CEO when the rest of the stores in the Bay Area would be closed, to cut such losses.

    Or maybe not.
    https://www.walgreensbootsalliance.com/about-us/leadership/rosalind-brewer

  101. @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    This just in: Mass shooting on south side of Chicago,four wounded,four dead. Near my old stomping grounds in Englewood.

    Well, batting .500.

    May be more than one shooter. Really,this is some depraved [email protected]!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    Gaspar, using the website ‘Hey Jackass’ as a source, there have been over 1660 shootings year to date in Chicago. What an amazing number and not halfway through the year. Stay safe.

  102. @jon
    @Mr. Anon


    How about telling these Republican pundits that crime is bad because it’s bad for Whites.
     
    Exactly! The Racial Reckoning has already convinced one mentally unstable black to literally go hunting Whites (thankfully, Sailer's Law means all 5 victims are likely to survive).
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/zeitgeist-poisoning/
    Things are only going to get worse if we don't start pushing back, and pushing back based on OUR rights, not pushing back based on some White Knight/Savior Complex bullshit.

    Replies: @Charon

    One? ONE??

  103. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/1404834911106830348

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Charon, @John Johnson

    Why on earth did that make the local news? Because it was SF? This happens all the time where I live, in a more “legacy” metropolis.

    They have no idea what they’re missing.

  104. @Buffalo Joe
    Buffalo with a population of 250K has had 138 shootings and 38 murders as of last week...almost all black victims and perps Those are Third World numbers.Does that help your research?

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Philadelphia reached 499 murders last year, just short of the record set in 1990 when 500 were murdered but they are on pace to have 660 murders this year. Might even get to 700 murders in 2021. My sister just bought a home in Philly last month, sold her house in Montgomery County to move back into the city.

  105. The most effective way to make a leftist opponent recognize the errors in his thinking is to call him a racist; before he accuses you of the same thing.

    All you public education supporters are a bunch of racists.

  106. While I agree BLM and the resulting protests and riots are partly responsible for the rise in Black murders, the lockdowns certainly helped promote BLM protests and the resulting riots and reduction of policing.

    Last summer all social activities were banned while businesses , churches and colleges were closed. The only avenue available for Americans to congregate were at BLM protests. This resulted in a surge of protests and riots across America, as young Americans had nothing better to do with their time. This increased the turnout and the anger as Americans vented their rage which had built up due to the lockdowns.

    Without the pointless and destructive lockdowns imposed in Americans last summer there would have been far less protesters and fewer riots. The lockdown proponents are equally culpable for the riots which emboldened blacks and resulted in less law enforcement and more murders.

  107. @jon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wanted to give my kids names that were normal, but still unique, so I chose older, traditional names I liked that weren't currently very popular. To my horror, when my daughter was just a toddler, I found out that she shared a name with a character on a popular, long-running TV show that I had personally never seen. Fortunately, the name never seemed to catch on with the masses. I can't imagine a bigger naming failure than that - making your kid go through life as one of a half dozen or so in her social circle that were named after a degenerate show that was on TV before they were even alive.

    Replies: @Burnett, @BenKenobi

    Let me guess – Phoebe?

    • Replies: @jon
    @Burnett

    Nope. Not a bad guess, but I have to admit that I actually did watch Friends back in the day, so I knew not to choose any of those.

  108. But which arguments are most likely to persuade normies that I’m right and the conventional wisdom is wrong?

    Honestly? When the African Americans they enjoy (think Obama) are in serious danger to those they personally don’t like so much (George Floyd.)

    Probably one of the funniest excerpts from your book.

    Let me quote one sentence to illustrate why so few people comprehend Dreams from My Father. One night, during his years as community organizer in Chicago, the rumble of rap music in the small hours of the morning brings the twentysomething Obama out of his apartment, where he is confronted by four black youths sitting in a car who have no intention of turning it down. Obama immediately assumes that they pose the threat of violence to him—just as he later accused his grandmother in his celebrated 2008 race speech of assuming the worst about black males on the street. In that moment of peril, Obama experiences an epiphany: As I stand there, I find myself thinking that somewhere down the line both guilt and empathy speak to our own buried sense that an order of some sort is required, not the social order that exists, necessarily, but something more fundamental and more demanding; a sense, further, that one has a stake in this order, a wish that, no matter how fluid this order sometimes appears, it will not drain out of the universe. [p. 270] I think this means that the leftist Ivy League graduate has just now finally realized that, when his life is on the line, he’s on the side of the cops, not the crooks.

    Black Lives Matter but some black lives are more equal than others.

  109. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/1404834911106830348

    Replies: @J.Ross, @anon, @Charon, @John Johnson

    Well they have their phones ready!

  110. @Spartan
    Don't bother. In changing normie's opinion from "BLM is good" to "BLM is bad because DR3," all you'll have accomplished is changing the flavor of his impotence. If you're going to spend the effort to break through normie's Crimestop, your goal should be to get him to stop seeing blacks as the measure of all things and start playing for his own team.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous

    Agree. But if Steve (or his correspondent) still wants convince the Crimestopped, just use reverse psychology: “Of course I support BLM because BLM gets more blacks killed, and that’s a good thing! Don’t you agree?”

  111. @JimDandy
    @CSFurious

    Isn't that basically a proven fact? Don't studies show that the more facts you present people with that contradict their positions, the more firmly entrenched they get in those wrong positions? The position becomes their identity. It's like trying to convince a Red Sox fan that Red Sox fans are the most disgusting and stupid fans in all of sports.

    The one approach that I did find intriguing, though, was the whole "Walk Away" campaign, wherein former-liberals talked about how stupid they used to be before the scales fell from their eyes, etc. There's something about the whole personal-awakening narrative--anything akin to confessing your sins and getting baptized in a river before a supportive crowd--that appeals to certain human instincts, I think, and makes them feel like they are progressing in life and becoming better, smarter people. This phenomenon is certainly taking the Woke Wine Mom demographic by storm, as they ecstatically flagellate themselves while confessing that their entire lives had been poisoned by white-ignorance and privilege.

    So, perhaps, taking the position of, "Yes, I totally agree with you! I mean, I always did, but then I realized they were duping people like me and you. People like me and you--the good people--should be so mad right now..."

    I see more and more "Conservative" blacks popping up on the internet, on tv, etc., and it's clear that no matter what inspired their embrace of new values, they are basking in the novelty and glory of being "one of the smart ones" and seeking out the guaranteed approbation they will get from right-leaning white folks.

    So maybe even more of a focus on celebritizing liberal-converts to reason is the way to go.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    So, perhaps, taking the position of, “Yes, I totally agree with you! I mean, I always did, but then I realized they were duping people like me and you. People like me and you–the good people–should be so mad right now…”

    I found an approach that wasn’t far off.

    Once I accepted liberalism as a religion it made it a lot easier when dealing with them. Many liberals can be flipped through the temptation of being an independent. For many Whites liberalism is a burdensome religion that they have to constantly rationalize. They often just need a role model to show them that they can leave liberalism without becoming their parents. Too many fall for intellectual vanity and believe the smart look is to adopt liberalism. Once they spend time around someone independent this can quickly wear off.

    I have also f-d the liberalism out of a woman. She even had a liberal boyfriend at the time.

    Treat it as a secular religion and not an intellectual framework. Most liberals are indoctrinated to where they immediately shut down if you start pointing out problems or contradictions. The ones that argue online know that it requires dishonesty.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @John Johnson


    Once they spend time around someone independent this can quickly wear off.
     
    What exactly do you say to them to show your independent-ness?

    I have also f-d the liberalism out of a woman. She even had a liberal boyfriend at the time.
     
    What sort of things did you say to her?

    Treat it as a secular religion and not an intellectual framework.
     
    What exactly does it mean in practice to treat it as a religion?

    Replies: @rebel yell

  112. Screw the data and just skip right to the testing phase. Have your opponent spend one week in the darkest Chicago ghetto, and one week in a lily White rural town. After that, the argument should resolve itself.

  113. @Redneck farmer
    Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kronos

    True, as long it’s confined to black underclass against black underclass. But if it widens to include blacks they enjoy and adhere to they’ll change their tone. These progressives don’t want shootouts in their nice neighborhoods against their well spoken black neighbors.

  114. I have a suspicion we’re headed into an era wherein suppression and falsification of data will be the norm. And I say that because people who were promoted within the rank within government bureaucracies are willing to lie in the most brazen ways. (For a minor example, see Andrew McCabe’s insistence that James T. Hodgkinson’s motives were altogether opaque. Recall the FBI during McCabe’s tenure classified Hodgkinson’s shooting spree as ‘suicide by cop’.).

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "I have a suspicion we're headed into an era wherein suppression and falsification of data will be the norm."

    We entered that era sometime in the mid 1960s when the American empire was at its zenith. The era is otherwise known as the Age of Flotation. The real currency now is pix. Pix of Tony Randall wearing his 7 Faces of Dr. Lao makeup at one of Roddy McDowall's parties.

  115. @JohnnyWalker123
    MTG visits the Holocaust Museum.

    https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1404561740365537283

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @Ron Mexico, @Desiderius

    Remember when some dolt race baiting DC council man had to go visit the holocaust museum some years back? There was a surreal Washington Post story back when the site was less pay wall-ey. Before it was just the Amazon Post.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Paul Rise


    Before it was just the Amazon Post.
     
    Bezos's Blog.
  116. @Triteleia Laxa
    It is easy Mr Sailer. Always go more progressive.

    1. Argue that criminals are a victim of circumstance. Elaborate with progressive dogma.

    2. Point out that blacks have increased as a percentage of that particular victim group. Elaborate with the astonishing statistical details.

    3. Blame white supremacy for this victimisation of blacks. In particular, highlight institutions inimical to the Democratic party, like the police, as at fault, and call for their reform to save black lives. This time, argue for increased funding to help the police to help both the poor black victims, who are criminals, and their poor black victims.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Exactly right. In fact, go broke or go home, blame the person you’re talking to for the increase in black on black murders and watch how quickly they become conservatives, holding them accountable for their own misbehavior.

  117. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    ...CPD Superintendent David Brown said three of those killed were female victims, and one was male.
     
    Well, that's efficient.

    One of the victims of the Austin shooting has since died. He worked for Ford in Michigan, but hailed from Airmont, New York-- near a giant Ford plant that had closed before he was born, and of which Bruce Springsteen sang. Airmont has a fascinating zoning litigation history, all about black hats rather than black skin.

    A second victim, described as a "single mother of five", is near death.

    Replies: @Paul Rise

    Only tourists in Austin are clueless enough to go to 6th st after dark. Poor guy, he probably was told how safe the downtown is. No one who works down there anymore says this.

  118. “But what do you think would be most persuasive?”

    Conspire to get yourself nailed to a cross.

  119. The FBI’s annual stats, which included known murder offenders by race, are normally released in late September, so I’m not aware of any Official Data yet.

    Doesn’t each city have a Comp Stat?

    https://compstat.nypdonline.org/2e5c3f4b-85c1-4635-83c6-22b27fe7c75c/view/89

    In this case, NYC’s Comp Stat doesn’t bolster the case, except with respect to hate crimes.

  120. Steve
    One quibble. You cite 2019 2020 data with a reference to a New York time 2016 article.
    Time travel?

  121. BLM has mostly been a US movement. Where else but the US have murder rates dramatically increased lately? COVID is worldwide, but the increase in violence is limited to the US. Guns are no easier to get now than they were 10 years ago in the US, and no harder to get anywhere else in the developed world.

    Pretty simple logic.

  122. Anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spartan
    Don't bother. In changing normie's opinion from "BLM is good" to "BLM is bad because DR3," all you'll have accomplished is changing the flavor of his impotence. If you're going to spend the effort to break through normie's Crimestop, your goal should be to get him to stop seeing blacks as the measure of all things and start playing for his own team.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous

    Don’t bother. In changing normie’s opinion from “BLM is good” to “BLM is bad because DR3,” all you’ll have accomplished is changing the flavor of his impotence. If you’re going to spend the effort to break through normie’s Crimestop, your goal should be to get him to stop seeing blacks as the measure of all things and start playing for his own team.

    Paradoxically, the best thing Steve could do, for blacks and for Whites, would be to assert that White Lives Matter.

    Same goes for the rest of us.

    • Agree: jon
  123. @OilcanFloyd
    The military may be a source for some of the weapons:

    https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-gun-politics-crime-6caba27108d05a8b7c1860959d1ae130

    If this article is correct, it shouldn't be a mystery that weapons are turning up in street crimes, since there has been a gang problem in the military for decades. Is it a surprise that the military brass would be worried about Confederate flags on military bases instead?

    At this point, I can't see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @SunBakedSuburb, @YetAnotherAnon

    “I can’t see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war.”

    The same interests that directed the FBI to storm the capital building on 1/6 with its informants and operatives amongst the sad Trumpians are also laying the groundwork for a domestic war on terror. Merrick Garland’s speech today made that clear. Putin and Xi can start their friendship garden while the Babylonian banksters reconfigure the U.S. into something even more pathetic. Don’t look to our expensive armed forces to prevent the downward spiral: USNORTHCOM will be putting together a series of emergency management districts to house undesirables. I’m hoping to get the concession to run the snack bars in EMD NORCAL.

  124. I don’t think there is enough common ground in the current year to present race realist arguments to liberals and normie conservatives. In this circumstance it may be best to just commit blasphemy in their face and force them to endure it. Say bluntly that race is biological, that low black IQ and high black crime rates aren’t going away, and that white elites are ridiculous hypocrites for living in “nice” neighborhoods. Don’t forget to curse them for their war crimes and economic frauds. Piss on the carpet and take a bottle of their champagne with you on your way out the door.

    • Agree: photondancer
    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  125. @AndrewR
    "a black"

    Christ you're retarded, Sailer. I'm not big on PC but saying that just makes you sound like a boomer dweeb. But then again you are.

    Replies: @tyrone, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

    “boomer dweeb”

    Attacks on Sailer are attacks on Social Science.

  126. • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Desiderius

    Interesting graph. Thanks.

    , @photondancer
    @Desiderius

    Dodgy definitions detected. Women have been working for millennia, not 2 generations.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  127. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Anakyndaraxes/status/1404880076823580675?s=20

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @photondancer

    Interesting graph. Thanks.

  128. @Art Deco
    I have a suspicion we're headed into an era wherein suppression and falsification of data will be the norm. And I say that because people who were promoted within the rank within government bureaucracies are willing to lie in the most brazen ways. (For a minor example, see Andrew McCabe's insistence that James T. Hodgkinson's motives were altogether opaque. Recall the FBI during McCabe's tenure classified Hodgkinson's shooting spree as 'suicide by cop'.).

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “I have a suspicion we’re headed into an era wherein suppression and falsification of data will be the norm.”

    We entered that era sometime in the mid 1960s when the American empire was at its zenith. The era is otherwise known as the Age of Flotation. The real currency now is pix. Pix of Tony Randall wearing his 7 Faces of Dr. Lao makeup at one of Roddy McDowall’s parties.

  129. @jon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wanted to give my kids names that were normal, but still unique, so I chose older, traditional names I liked that weren't currently very popular. To my horror, when my daughter was just a toddler, I found out that she shared a name with a character on a popular, long-running TV show that I had personally never seen. Fortunately, the name never seemed to catch on with the masses. I can't imagine a bigger naming failure than that - making your kid go through life as one of a half dozen or so in her social circle that were named after a degenerate show that was on TV before they were even alive.

    Replies: @Burnett, @BenKenobi

    Heh, there are a lot of little girls currently named Danaerys or Khaleesi.

  130. @Danindc
    Blacks criminals are being emboldened by anti white media. This mindset could get you or your family members killed. It needs to stop.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    If it were just gangsters killing each other, I wouldn’t care, but I do care that their antics could and do harm decent people.

  131. @JohnnyWalker123
    MTG visits the Holocaust Museum.

    https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1404561740365537283

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @Ron Mexico, @Desiderius

    MTG is being hammered on Gab. “Nothing comparable to it…”? King Leopold, Stalin and Mao might disagree.

  132. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/Anakyndaraxes/status/1404880076823580675?s=20

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @photondancer

    Dodgy definitions detected. Women have been working for millennia, not 2 generations.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @photondancer

    The labor force is a technical term.

  133. I think you should distill it down to a few meme-sized statements with links to the government data.

    Adding pictures for memes is optional.

    Then put them into one post.

    Then, the Revolver guy may pick it up.

    From there it will go to Tucker.

    Tucker was mentioning Revolver tonight.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @wren


    I think you should distill it down to a few meme-sized statements with links to the government data.

    Adding pictures for memes is optional.

    Then put them into one post.

    Then, the Revolver guy may pick it up.

    From there it will go to Tucker.
     
    The highest leverage platform right now for Steve and his content is Twitter. Steve should put more effort into engaging with accounts that have some degree of reach. Even modest reach.

    He seems to be doing this more, but, if he could increase it, it could really yield dividends.
  134. Man up, Theoden.

    The ultimate driver of all this is our own weakness. People don’t care because they don’t have to/have nothing to gain by doing so. Only way to change it is to change the incentive structure and only way to do that is to become a force to be reckoned with.

    Join or die.

  135. @Gaspar DeLaFunk
    This just in: Mass shooting on south side of Chicago,four wounded,four dead. Near my old stomping grounds in Englewood.

    Well, batting .500.

    May be more than one shooter. Really,this is some depraved [email protected]!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Chrisnonymous

    ,four wounded,four dead.

    Mulatto? Or does Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings follow the one-drop rule?

  136. @JohnnyWalker123
    MTG visits the Holocaust Museum.

    https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1404561740365537283

    Replies: @Paul Rise, @Ron Mexico, @Desiderius

    Just so excruciatingly stupid.

    If Never Again means anything it means not pretending that the canaries in the coal mine are the coal gas but taking people who see something and say something seriously.

    But white people love apologizing for shit they didn’t do. Wasted a lot of my life doing it too. Some kind of twisted Big Man thing.

  137. @photondancer
    @Desiderius

    Dodgy definitions detected. Women have been working for millennia, not 2 generations.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The labor force is a technical term.

  138. None of them. Bezmenov wisely said, that the demoralized are lost forever. Do not argue with them, do not even interact with them, go around them at every corner.

    Convincing their controllers – the media and the elite – is useless. They already know, and they either don’t care or use this for self-aggrandizement.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Svevlad

    Forever is a long time. The font of all morals and morality itself believes no such thing. Why should we?

    Matthew 18

    Despair is arrogance.

  139. Most effective persuader to the Sailer scenario? Surely the charts you compiled for your last Taki column showing the timing of the spurt in killings almost precisely from the Floyd death. Which the ‘community’ was energised enough and legitimised enough to wreak such havoc?

  140. @John Up North
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ever meet a black guy named Dan?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Closest I can think of to a black man named Dan is actor Danny Glover.

    I think there may have been a black NFL player in the 1960s named Dan.

  141. @Burnett
    @jon

    Let me guess - Phoebe?

    Replies: @jon

    Nope. Not a bad guess, but I have to admit that I actually did watch Friends back in the day, so I knew not to choose any of those.

  142. @Paul Rise
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Remember when some dolt race baiting DC council man had to go visit the holocaust museum some years back? There was a surreal Washington Post story back when the site was less pay wall-ey. Before it was just the Amazon Post.

    Replies: @jon

    Before it was just the Amazon Post.

    Bezos’s Blog.

  143. @OilcanFloyd
    The military may be a source for some of the weapons:

    https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-gun-politics-crime-6caba27108d05a8b7c1860959d1ae130

    If this article is correct, it shouldn't be a mystery that weapons are turning up in street crimes, since there has been a gang problem in the military for decades. Is it a surprise that the military brass would be worried about Confederate flags on military bases instead?

    At this point, I can't see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @SunBakedSuburb, @YetAnotherAnon

    “I can’t see the U.S. military standing a chance against China or Russia in a major war”

    I can’t see either Russia or China being mad enough to start a major war with the US, when the US is at war with itself and taking casualties every day. All China has to do is talk the language of trade and friendship while Putin plays Mr Nasty and America goes further down the tubes.

    But there’s a deal of ruin in a nation. The US has a lot of snazzy hardware and a billion-megaton nuclear capability, unless the chips in all military hardware now have a Chinese kill switch. Why take the risk?

    If the US does something itself to start that war, who knows, given the current tech advantage of the US? Defeat, open and visible to all the world, would probably make politics even more “interesting” than it is now.

  144. @CCZ
    Any bets, more or fewer homicides on our soon to be new federal holiday??

    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1404921783854186498

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Oh great, another holiday that only government and financial industry employees will get the day off for. No discussion, of course, of how our government – currently spending $2 trillion more than it collects in taxes each year – plans to pay for it. Or maybe in the case of government a day when they’re not working means a day they aren’t around to spend money. Given what Biden wants government employees to do on his watch perhaps that’s not a bad thing.

  145. @Svevlad
    None of them. Bezmenov wisely said, that the demoralized are lost forever. Do not argue with them, do not even interact with them, go around them at every corner.

    Convincing their controllers - the media and the elite - is useless. They already know, and they either don't care or use this for self-aggrandizement.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Forever is a long time. The font of all morals and morality itself believes no such thing. Why should we?

    Matthew 18

    Despair is arrogance.

  146. @jimmyriddle
    @Reg Cæsar

    Funny that among the top 20 blackest boys' names are Reginald and Maurice - old blokes' names in England (eg the real names of Elton John and Michael Caine).

    Replies: @Julian of Norwich, @Desiderius

    Black is the deepest shade of redneck and evidently Elizabethan English sounded like Hank Sr….

    There is something Shakespearean about the towering heights and abysmal lows of contemporary black American life that the milquetoast can only find their seats and observe at a distance.

  147. Just to be clear, the list members include many Republicans with bylines; I wouldn’t ask anyone for help in an argument with Internet randos.

    Just to be clear, I’d take a dozen “internet randos” over any 12 “Republicans with bylines” any day of the week. Republicans are worse than useless, they are harmful to White Americans – maybe more harmful than Democrats, and the ones with bylines only retain those bylines by staying inside the acceptable boundaries of discourse, especially discourse about negroes, which they do not set. If they step outside the lines, they are ejected from polite Republican circles, like Derb and our host.

    As others have said here, if all we can talk about is negroes and what is good or bad for them and how the left are hypocritical, while we can’t even say the word “White” in any positive context or consider what is good or bad for us, we’re done.

    I don’t care how many negroes shoot each other or drive their cars into trees or die from fentanyl overdoses. I would prefer they were doing it in some other negro country (continent? planet?) as there are serious collateral effects from negro sociopathy on Whites, the people I do care about. Negroes need to figure out how to solve their own problems, if they even see them as problems; Whites need to stop trying to be their saviors or zookeepers.

    And f*** Republicans with bylines.

  148. I don’t know how to attach visuals to a comment but a persuasive image supporting that it’s blacks killing blacks is to overlay the NYPD shooting incident locations for 2021 on the NYT map of neighborhood racial makeup. There are three or four clusters of shootings and all correspond to primarily black neighborhoods.

  149. @Anonymous
    @Redneck farmer


    Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.
     
    Are you a sociopath? Do you have such little concern for the misery of the most vulnerable members of your own race?

    Replies: @Achilleus

    Steve, underclass blacks killing each other is like BadWhites ODing on opiates; a good outcome, no matter what our elites say otherwise.

    Are you a sociopath? Do you have such little concern for the misery of the most vulnerable members of your own race?

    I think he is presenting the Elite perspective here; the more dead dirt people, of whatever race, the better for the cloud people.

  150. @James Speaks
    How do you persuade ... ? I don't think it is possible. For a pundit to conclude that a putatively pro-negro organization that allows more negro freedom actually allows negroes to regress to their natural state, a pundit would have to believe that negroes are inherently violent, have poor impulse control and future time orientation, and do not accept responsibility for their actions. For a pundit to conclude that BLM is harmful to negroes and that, paradoxically, Jim Crow was beneficial for negroes, a pundit would have to cease being a pundit and commence being a race realist.

    For that change to occur, news items about negroes randomly murdering whites close to where pundits live could be somewhat effective. Make it factual. Make it personal.

    Although pundits are capable of the subjunctive mood, their social environment inculcates the belief that any criticism on negroes is horrible, more so than cannibalism, pedophilia, necrophilia or incest. Intense emotions would be needed to counter the taboos. Make it factual. Make it personal.

    Anecdotes (actual real factual stories) about negroes engaging in cannibalism, pedophilia, necrophilia or incest would be effective.

    Replies: @Achilleus

    …BLM is harmful to negroes and that, paradoxically, Jim Crow was beneficial for negroes…

    Yes.

    But more importantly, Jim Crow was beneficial, perhaps essential, for the White majority.

    We have to stop arguing from the basis of what is good for negroes. 70 years of that has cost us a fortune, crowded out real civilized human progress, and given us worse negroes.

    • Agree: James Speaks
  151. Your job is not to convince or change opinions but to induce cognitive dissonance.

    Use their own terms against them: “Data” and “The Science”

  152. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson
    @JimDandy

    So, perhaps, taking the position of, “Yes, I totally agree with you! I mean, I always did, but then I realized they were duping people like me and you. People like me and you–the good people–should be so mad right now…”

    I found an approach that wasn't far off.

    Once I accepted liberalism as a religion it made it a lot easier when dealing with them. Many liberals can be flipped through the temptation of being an independent. For many Whites liberalism is a burdensome religion that they have to constantly rationalize. They often just need a role model to show them that they can leave liberalism without becoming their parents. Too many fall for intellectual vanity and believe the smart look is to adopt liberalism. Once they spend time around someone independent this can quickly wear off.

    I have also f-d the liberalism out of a woman. She even had a liberal boyfriend at the time.

    Treat it as a secular religion and not an intellectual framework. Most liberals are indoctrinated to where they immediately shut down if you start pointing out problems or contradictions. The ones that argue online know that it requires dishonesty.

    Replies: @Anon

    Once they spend time around someone independent this can quickly wear off.

    What exactly do you say to them to show your independent-ness?

    I have also f-d the liberalism out of a woman. She even had a liberal boyfriend at the time.

    What sort of things did you say to her?

    Treat it as a secular religion and not an intellectual framework.

    What exactly does it mean in practice to treat it as a religion?

    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @Anon


    What exactly does it mean in practice to treat it as a religion?
     
    Point out that their beliefs about human nature are not fact-based but are faith dogmas. Use the words "faith dogmas".
    Point out that their censorship treats dissent as blasphemies to be suppressed instead of arguments to be rebutted.
    Point out that the kneeling and incantations of apologies are looking a lot like cult religious rituals.
    Point out that changing the culture by tearing down statues and starting new holidays has connotations of secular religious behavior.
    Tell them they are sanctimonious and pious - religious terms.
    Call them out for their emotionalism when they counter your factual claims with name-calling and denunciation. Tell them their emotionalism is a kind of religious fervor.
    When they tell you they are "passionate about their beliefs", tell them that people in religious cults are passionate about their beliefs. Tell them it is never good ethics to turn off the brain and stop thinking.
  153. Anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren
    I think you should distill it down to a few meme-sized statements with links to the government data.

    Adding pictures for memes is optional.

    Then put them into one post.

    Then, the Revolver guy may pick it up.

    From there it will go to Tucker.

    Tucker was mentioning Revolver tonight.

    Replies: @Anon

    I think you should distill it down to a few meme-sized statements with links to the government data.

    Adding pictures for memes is optional.

    Then put them into one post.

    Then, the Revolver guy may pick it up.

    From there it will go to Tucker.

    The highest leverage platform right now for Steve and his content is Twitter. Steve should put more effort into engaging with accounts that have some degree of reach. Even modest reach.

    He seems to be doing this more, but, if he could increase it, it could really yield dividends.

  154. Don’t bother. In changing normie’s opinion from “BLM is good” to “BLM is bad because DR3,” all you’ll have accomplished is changing the flavor of his impotence. If you’re going to spend the effort to break through normie’s Crimestop, your goal should be to get him to stop seeing blacks as the measure of all things and start playing for his own team.

    Agree with the sentiment. We need Americans who care about the American nation, our people, our culture. And that means the actual America, not this Mickey Fievel Mousekewitz America.

    However, how do you get there? In a sea of minoritarian propaganda?

    Well one aspect is debunking all the–evil whitey, oppressed blacks–narrative the minoritarians have used as a cudgel against generic/flyover white Americans. Heck against the history and legitimacy of America itself! And a big part of that debunking is demonstrating that yeah while their treatment wasn’t fair, it came in the context of a real HBD driven problem–stupid, disorderly and violent black behavior.

    In other words, the gist of the debunking is to providing the actual context of American history–which is in some sense a pretty standard narrative of conquest and settlement, but actually pretty cool, impressive and heroic. It just wasn’t done by oppressed minorities. It was done by Western Christian peoples being their hard working and inventive–and yeah sometimes violent–selves.

    Bottom line: to survive we must debunk, expose and cast off the minoritarian lies and propaganda and the evil they generate. The reality of black crime and the minoritarians amping it up with BLM and their anti-white narratives is a great place to expose and debunk.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    And a big part of that debunking is demonstrating that yeah while their treatment wasn’t fair, it came in the context of a real HBD driven problem–stupid, disorderly and violent black behavior.
     
    But have conceded the argument right out of the gate. The whole ballgame is whether something is fair/just or isn’t.

    There are any number of reasons why it was fair/just. You allude to one of them at the end of the same sentence. Another one is that blacks lived quite well under White governance, certainly better than they would have anyplace else, Africa included.
  155. @PaceLaw
    The sad reality is that the woke press (NYT, WaPost, etc.), flatly rejects the notion of black criminality and villainy. The woke press only seeks out stories concerning white racism or villainy. As such Steve, I recommend making the case for the absurd uptick in murder numbers being about the cops pulling back (i.e.,The Ferguson Effect). In that way, the press will more readily accept the objective reality of the large increase in blacks murdering blacks, but will have a handy villain (the cops, or more specifically white cops) to blame it on.

    A pretty harsh decision to make, but the media will only countenance black-on-black crime if they can somehow blame it on whitey.

    Replies: @Travis

    liberals do not flatly reject Black criminality. They try to ignore Black violence and hide the facts from the public because they fear the facts will disrupt their agenda. They are fully aware of the facts, which is why they censor the them from being disseminated. Our media, schools, government and churches have been actively suppressing the truth about Blacks for decades. White leftists have always acted in ways which demonstrates they fear living near Blacks and spend huge sums of money to keep live away from Blacks and keep their children away from Blacks. We do not need to convince them, they are convinced that Blacks are inherently prone to violence and lack the intellect to succeed in the world without affirmative action and assistance from whites.

    If we should persuade them about anything it is that coddling Blacks just makes their behaviors worse. Teaching critical race theory just makes Blacks resent Whites and hinders their ability to overcome the obstacles they face. Defunding the police, eliminating cash bail and freeing Blacks from prison will be a disaster for Black lives. Teaching blacks that Whites are the source of their problems has not helped Blacks, it has harmed them and made so many of them resentful of whites while feeling entitled to stuff because they are Black.

    Many progressive whites and the woke actually believe that giving Blacks more affirmative action, more free goodies at the expense of whites will help Blacks. this is the core of the issue. They already know that Blacks are more violent and less intelligent than whites, which is the reason they prohibit people from discussing the data and facts.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Travis


    Many progressive whites and the woke actually believe that giving Blacks more affirmative action, more free goodies at the expense of whites will help Blacks. this is the core of the issue.

     

    Indeed. The woke believe that, in their own great power and wisdom, they can save blacks.

    In this evil faux-soteriological context, the worse the sinner, the greater the glory of his 'redemption'.

    Replies: @anon

  156. @Marty
    Here’s how I do it. I say, “Google any mid-to-major city, and if the first shooting victim that comes up isn’t black, you get $20.” Okay, so ...

    Omaha: https://gunmemorial.org/2021/04/17/traquez-swift

    Minneapolis: https://www.startribune.com/dontevius-ahmad-catchings-identified-as-men-fatally-shot-at-shiloh-temple/600068152/

    Wichita: https://www.ksn.com/news/crime/two-victims-injured-in-south-wichita-shooting/

    St. Louis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcU5DGCS3gI

    Kansas City: https://fox4kc.com/news/man-charged-in-sunday-deadly-shooting-of-kansas-city-woman-in-front-of-their-kids/

    Nashville: https://www.wkrn.com/news/crime-tracker/man-wanted-for-questioning-regarding-downtown-nashville-shooting/?ipid=promo-link

    Little Rock: https://www.fox16.com/news/lrpd-suspect-arrested-in-monday-night-roosevelt-road-fatal-shooting/

    Dallas: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/at-least-4-injured-in-pleasant-grove-
    shooting/2655363/

    Charlotte: https://www.wbtv.com/2021/06/12/person-shot-charlotte-club-crashes-into-fire-station-door/

    Richmond: https://www.nbc12.com/2021/05/07/fifth-arrest-made-shooting-that-killed-mom-baby/

    Cincinnati: https://www.wlwt.com/article/two-children-ages-6-and-8-in-critical-condition-following-quadruple-shooting/36715433#

    Cleveland: https://www.cleveland19.com/2021/06/14/gas-station-parking-lot-dispute-escalates-violence-leaves-3-dead-clevelands-east-side/

    Grand Rapids: https://www.woodtv.com/news/grand-rapids/anti-violence-rally-planned-after-15-year-old-shot-killed-in-gr/

    Orlando: https://www.wkrg.com/news/she-didnt-deserve-this-vigil-held-for-mobile-woman-shot-by-husband-in-orlando/

    Replies: @bruce county

    Very good. I think that will be my next mass mailout. Thanks.

  157. @AndrewR
    "a black"

    Christ you're retarded, Sailer. I'm not big on PC but saying that just makes you sound like a boomer dweeb. But then again you are.

    Replies: @tyrone, @SunBakedSuburb, @AnotherDad

    “a black”

    Christ you’re retarded, Sailer. I’m not big on PC but saying that just makes you sound like a boomer dweeb. But then again you are.

    Huh?

    What’s your problem with that? “A white”, “a Mexican”, “an Italian”, “a Catholic”, “a Lutheran”, “a conservative”, “a liberal” …

    Did you want him to capitalize it since he turned it into a noun? Are we Germans now?

    Do you want some clunky ass construction: “a black person mourning …” That sound tedious to me. I supposed that makes me a boomer dweeb. But then again i am.

  158. @Anon
    @John Johnson


    Once they spend time around someone independent this can quickly wear off.
     
    What exactly do you say to them to show your independent-ness?

    I have also f-d the liberalism out of a woman. She even had a liberal boyfriend at the time.
     
    What sort of things did you say to her?

    Treat it as a secular religion and not an intellectual framework.
     
    What exactly does it mean in practice to treat it as a religion?

    Replies: @rebel yell

    What exactly does it mean in practice to treat it as a religion?

    Point out that their beliefs about human nature are not fact-based but are faith dogmas. Use the words “faith dogmas”.
    Point out that their censorship treats dissent as blasphemies to be suppressed instead of arguments to be rebutted.
    Point out that the kneeling and incantations of apologies are looking a lot like cult religious rituals.
    Point out that changing the culture by tearing down statues and starting new holidays has connotations of secular religious behavior.
    Tell them they are sanctimonious and pious – religious terms.
    Call them out for their emotionalism when they counter your factual claims with name-calling and denunciation. Tell them their emotionalism is a kind of religious fervor.
    When they tell you they are “passionate about their beliefs”, tell them that people in religious cults are passionate about their beliefs. Tell them it is never good ethics to turn off the brain and stop thinking.

    • Thanks: photondancer
  159. @J1234

    How Should I Persuade Pundits That BLM = Black Lives Murdered?
     
    I've sort of drifted back into listening to Scott Adams youtube videos again. I'm not a fan of his, just an observer. I'm struck (and sort of put off) by his ongoing emphasis on persuasion that seems to focus on appealing to the most simplistic elements of people's thought processes (rather than on meaningful revelation.) Most disheartening to me about his approach is knowing at some level that it's probably effective.

    With that in mind, the ability of someone following the truth to persuade pundits with different goals might be dubious. On the other hand, I've seen perspectives from people like Steve Sailer, Pat Buchanan and even Kevin MacDonald gradually filter into more main steam media discussion over the years, so maybe something will come of it. Truly and sincerely, good luck.

    Replies: @vhrm

    I’ve sort of drifted back into listening to Scott Adams youtube videos again. I’m not a fan of his, just an observer. I’m struck (and sort of put off) by his ongoing emphasis on persuasion that seems to focus on appealing to the most simplistic elements of people’s thought processes (rather than on meaningful revelation.) Most disheartening to me about his approach is knowing at some level that it’s probably effective.

    I’ve only watched a few hours of his stuff over the years and i have similar feelings.

    A whole heck of a lot more goes into shaping people’s beliefs and actions than a logical argument. Especially a logical argument presented once. This is probably true of even the most fastidious 1% and it sure as heck it’s true of the large majority of people.

  160. @Travis
    @PaceLaw

    liberals do not flatly reject Black criminality. They try to ignore Black violence and hide the facts from the public because they fear the facts will disrupt their agenda. They are fully aware of the facts, which is why they censor the them from being disseminated. Our media, schools, government and churches have been actively suppressing the truth about Blacks for decades. White leftists have always acted in ways which demonstrates they fear living near Blacks and spend huge sums of money to keep live away from Blacks and keep their children away from Blacks. We do not need to convince them, they are convinced that Blacks are inherently prone to violence and lack the intellect to succeed in the world without affirmative action and assistance from whites.

    If we should persuade them about anything it is that coddling Blacks just makes their behaviors worse. Teaching critical race theory just makes Blacks resent Whites and hinders their ability to overcome the obstacles they face. Defunding the police, eliminating cash bail and freeing Blacks from prison will be a disaster for Black lives. Teaching blacks that Whites are the source of their problems has not helped Blacks, it has harmed them and made so many of them resentful of whites while feeling entitled to stuff because they are Black.

    Many progressive whites and the woke actually believe that giving Blacks more affirmative action, more free goodies at the expense of whites will help Blacks. this is the core of the issue. They already know that Blacks are more violent and less intelligent than whites, which is the reason they prohibit people from discussing the data and facts.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Many progressive whites and the woke actually believe that giving Blacks more affirmative action, more free goodies at the expense of whites will help Blacks. this is the core of the issue.

    Indeed. The woke believe that, in their own great power and wisdom, they can save blacks.

    In this evil faux-soteriological context, the worse the sinner, the greater the glory of his ‘redemption’.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The woke believe that, in their own great power and wisdom, they and only they can save blacks.

    Just helping you out a bit.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

  161. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Travis


    Many progressive whites and the woke actually believe that giving Blacks more affirmative action, more free goodies at the expense of whites will help Blacks. this is the core of the issue.

     

    Indeed. The woke believe that, in their own great power and wisdom, they can save blacks.

    In this evil faux-soteriological context, the worse the sinner, the greater the glory of his 'redemption'.

    Replies: @anon

    The woke believe that, in their own great power and wisdom, they and only they can save blacks.

    Just helping you out a bit.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @anon

    Yes. Thank you.

  162. Even if Whites and only Whites can save Blacks the best plan would not be to continue with the same failed policies and programs they have been using for decades. Why do they rarely envision a different way to save Blacks except more and more of the same crap for the last 75 years.

    Is it possible to persuade progressives that we can save Blacks with aggressive policing in urban areas and holding Blacks responsible for their actions and rejecting racial quotas. The woke could still take credit for saving Blacks by tough love methods of ending welfare and affirmative action combined with increased incarceration and expanded application of capital punishment to save Blacks from themselves.

  163. @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The woke believe that, in their own great power and wisdom, they and only they can save blacks.

    Just helping you out a bit.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    Yes. Thank you.

  164. I’ve seen it reported in a couple of places that 80%+ of the victims have been black in Minneapolis m, including in this article in the Daily Mail.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9532883/Violent-crime-surged-Minneapolis-George-Floyds-death.html

  165. Anon[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Don’t bother. In changing normie’s opinion from “BLM is good” to “BLM is bad because DR3,” all you’ll have accomplished is changing the flavor of his impotence. If you’re going to spend the effort to break through normie’s Crimestop, your goal should be to get him to stop seeing blacks as the measure of all things and start playing for his own team.
     
    Agree with the sentiment. We need Americans who care about the American nation, our people, our culture. And that means the actual America, not this Mickey Fievel Mousekewitz America.

    However, how do you get there? In a sea of minoritarian propaganda?

    Well one aspect is debunking all the--evil whitey, oppressed blacks--narrative the minoritarians have used as a cudgel against generic/flyover white Americans. Heck against the history and legitimacy of America itself! And a big part of that debunking is demonstrating that yeah while their treatment wasn't fair, it came in the context of a real HBD driven problem--stupid, disorderly and violent black behavior.

    In other words, the gist of the debunking is to providing the actual context of American history--which is in some sense a pretty standard narrative of conquest and settlement, but actually pretty cool, impressive and heroic. It just wasn't done by oppressed minorities. It was done by Western Christian peoples being their hard working and inventive--and yeah sometimes violent--selves.

    Bottom line: to survive we must debunk, expose and cast off the minoritarian lies and propaganda and the evil they generate. The reality of black crime and the minoritarians amping it up with BLM and their anti-white narratives is a great place to expose and debunk.

    Replies: @Anon

    And a big part of that debunking is demonstrating that yeah while their treatment wasn’t fair, it came in the context of a real HBD driven problem–stupid, disorderly and violent black behavior.

    But have conceded the argument right out of the gate. The whole ballgame is whether something is fair/just or isn’t.

    There are any number of reasons why it was fair/just. You allude to one of them at the end of the same sentence. Another one is that blacks lived quite well under White governance, certainly better than they would have anyplace else, Africa included.

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