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In 2012-2013, the Republican Brain Trust came up with a great idea: the salvation of the GOP would be to team up with the Democrats to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. If you can’t trust Chuck Schumer to save the Republican Party for you, who can you trust?

Everybody agreed that the the perfect face to sell Chuck Schumer’s amnesty bill to Republicans would be Marco Rubio, because there is nothing white Republican voters like more than getting lectured by people deemed to be nonwhite (e.g., Eric Holder) about how whites must be punished for their sins.

Interestingly, it has recently emerged that Senator Rubio was more nervous than the GOP Establishment about his signing on to the Democrats’ amnesty push. But all the Miami Republicans drinking at the Biltmore Hotel pool told him it was a no-brainer: everybody they knew was in favor of it.

But, it turns out, Rubio was right to be nervous.

Not surprisingly, Rubio hasn’t been helped in 2016 by his decision to align with Schumer in 2013.

So far, despite Floridian Jeb Bush’s implosion, Rubio has lost all four Republican primaries/caucuses, three of them to Donald Trump, who came out of nowhere based on his opposition to illegal immigration. For example, Rubio lost this week in Nevada, a state where he had once lived, 46-24 to Trump.

The Establishment’s logic was obviously nuts. Republicans shouldn’t deploy their talented minority politicians to demand more privileges for their own minority; instead, Republicans they should deploy their top minority politicians to resist give-aways to their own ethnic group. How hard is it to see that?

Rubio, who didn’t have the guts to defy the conventional wisdom in 2013, isn’t stupid, so he has backed off his support of the Gang of Eight bill, unlike Jeb Bush. Also unlike Jeb, Rubio is still in the race.

But, Rubio is having a hard time getting Republican voters to trust him on immigration.

Perhaps he doesn’t have to: maybe he’ll outlast Cruz, and Trump will spectacularly self-destruct, leaving Rubio to limp home as the default nominee. That could happen.

On the other hand, fortune has favored the bold so far in this campaign.

So here’s a two-stage plan for how Rubio could actually win over Republican voters on the crucial immigration issue.

First, Rubio should make a major speech calling for the immediate end of all the immigration privileges enjoyed by his own Cuban people. He should thank the American citizenry for their tremendous generosity toward Cubans over the decades, but state that the time has come to end the “dry foot” privilege of Cubans before another Mariel-like flash mob of Cubans descends upon America.

Rubio should point out that a major danger for the U.S. going forward in the 21st Century are Camp of the Saints-style migrant mobs like the one that descended upon Germany in 2015. Unfortunately, the single biggest danger at present for America is a Cuban flash mob, so we need to change the policy privileging Cuban migrants immediately. As a proud Cuban, I wish that were not so, but as a loyal American I must speak out for the good of my entire country.

This speech I am giving may destroy my political career in Miami. I am a proud Cuban-American son of South Florida, so I don’t take that risk lightly. But I value America’s well-being most.

A few days later, Rubio should return with a second major speech, this one asking his fellow Hispanic-American citizens in general to vote Republican in November not because we Republicans will amnesty illegal aliens, but because we won’t. You should vote Republicans not because of what we promise you as Hispanics, but because of what we promise all Americans as Americans: to do what’s best not for any single ethnic group, but for the citizens of America as a whole.

Most Democrats and many Republicans don’t believe you are patriotic Americans who will support what’s best for the American people as a whole. They tell me the only way to win the vote of Latinos is to bribe them with ethnic privileges like amnesty. But I don’t believe that. I believe you want to do what’s right for the American people as a whole.

 
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  1. Along the same lines I’ve come to see two types of immigrants, those who view immigration as a way to help their fellow co-ethnics and those who immediately reject allegiance to their co-ethnics and transfer their allegiance to America. The former are in favor of more immigration, of comprehensive immigration reform and want America to accommodate them. The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America’s back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals. The former group work to keep their culture alive, socialize/ghettoize into ethnic enclaves. The latter try their darnedest to escape the ethnic enclaves, they name their kids with good old American names, some Americanize/Anglicanize their names in order to fit in better. The former often come here because they want to better their financial prospects. The latter come here because they want to be Americans, like the people they read about in the news, in novels, see in movies or on TV in their native land – they want to be JR Ewing.

    The former seem to constitute about 99% of immigrants. I’ve only known a few who are immigrants who have cast their lot with the people who invited them here and feel that their allegiance is owed towards those who want to keep America as America.

    Rubio has too deep a public record demonstrating that he’s in the former group. His whole damn identity, right down to the Rainbow Picture where he stood with Scott & Haley, is that he’s a Cuban-American, intent on helping Hispanics in America and he has no damn interest in preserving and championing the historical American white identity.

    In a who, whom contest, Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that’s why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy. He wouldn’t be credible and this would, rightly, be seen as another convenient flip-flop because his heart, and identity, simply isn’t in it.

    • Replies: @Jahangir
    If immigrants who throw in their lot with their adoptive nation appear so rare, it's probably mostly a consequence of the fact that Hispanics make up such a large percentage of the immigrant population in the US. I've encountered a surprising number of Trump supporters among Eastern European immigrants, for instance. Okay, okay, I guess that's not actually surprising. Asian immigrants are pretty good about assimilation, too!

    With the Mexicans it all feels quite different though. It's honestly like Mexico has basically over a sizeable portion of the United States and is now trying to hijack its government. Weird stuff. Can we not be run by agents of foreign polities anymore, please?
    , @Big Bill
    The dual consciousness (your "two types of immigrants") is the tragedy of the commons.

    As long as borders are wide open, immigrants will smuggle everybody they can into the country. How can you leave Tio Juan back home when everyone around you is bringing their families to America?

    At the same time, many if not most Mexican immigrants realize they would be better off without the endless flood of gang-banging, meth-dealing illegals ... they just need (and perhaps want) the closed borders solution forced on them.

    Who would César Chávez and the UFW vote for?

    Trump.

    That is why Trump was so popular among Mexicans in Nevada.
    , @Numinous
    Your "former" group includes a certain Friedrich Trump, who went to America to make money, then went back to his native Germany to marry one of his neighbors, and eventually made it back to America only because he was kicked out of his birth country.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/29/kallstadt-germany-on-the-trail-of-the-donald-in-the-trump-ancestral-home
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you, TangoMan.
    I humbly count myself and my family as

    The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America’s back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals.
     
    While our kids, born in Russia, are not renamed, the names of their kids (born here in the USA, our grand-kids) are quite American.
    I am really thankful to America for giving the freedom to educate our kids,
    the degree of freedom of choice we did not observe for them in the former USSR.
    Freedom of choosing AP Calculus in 9-th grade,
    of being able to get "Dual Enrollment" to the courses at local University.
    Thank you, USA!

    Disclosure: the said above does not automatically mean approval (or disapproval)
    of the policies of the Government of the USA.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Rubio is a political whore. This:

    Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that’s why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy
     
    is nothing more that what a prostitute does to get to the next level. If Rubio could get ahead by the opposite approach he would be happy to betray his former constituents and former masters.

    Imagine a candidate who desires to ensure the prospects, the benefits, the well-being of the citizens of the United States. Marco Rubio is antipodal opposite to that candidate.

    Let us hope that the Republican Primary voters tell Rubio to pound sand.
  2. “You should vote Republicans not because of what we promise you as Hispanics, but because of what we promise all Americans as Americans: to do what’s best not for any single ethnic group, but for the citizens of America as a whole.”

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a “free rider group” in society, which there inevitably will be, then it’s a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.

    Trump is the best thing to happen to the Republicans in a long, long, long time.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a “free rider group” in society, which there inevitably will be, then it’s a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.
     
    There are loads of examples where this has worked. It is just that no-one ever tries it in the modern-day West.

    I have been saying this stuff for some time. The keywords are 'loyalty' and 'gratitude' and suddenly immigration restriction has the absolute moral high-ground among immigrant communities, which it should.

    French Jewish intellectuals like Finkielkraut have had this whole shtick down for some time. It is working, it is true and it is beautiful. It is also more inclusive, less divisive and more progressive than the most progressive line there is on immigration. It assumes the sale too. I mean what Mexican who has arrived in America does not appreciate the wonderfulness of the club that they have been let into to and does not feel loyal and protective of it? That is what any good person would feel and do and Mexicans are good people. Indeed any Mexican-American who does not want to shut the border to protect what they have been given should have social opproprium heaped upon them for their ethno-centric selfishness and their gross disloyalty and ingratitude.

    Trump can do this. He can be the most inclusive candidate that America has had in a century. He can campaign to look out for the American people first and love all Americans.
    , @Glaivester

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature,
     
    The goal of that speech would not be getting Hispanics to vote Republican, but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.
  3. Why would the other side(enemy) give you the advice that will make you win?

    I mean just think about it.

    And neocons…. do they want all Cons to win or just the neocon tribe?

    • Replies: @Mr Curious
    Just the neocon Tribe.
  4. Rubio won’t do it. Instead he will attack Trump for being insufficiently pro-Israel. And he will lose.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Lots of luck with that.
    https://youtu.be/tm5Je73bYOY
  5. This could actually work, but I don’t think Rubio wants to win badly enough to try it.

    For that matter, neither does the GOP elite. as Rush Limbaugh pointed out yesterday.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    "This could actually work, but I don’t think Rubio wants to win badly enough to try it."

    I think Rubio wants to win badly enough. He was perfectly willing to lie to win his Senate seat, so that can't be the reason. He'll either lose his billionaire backers, or thinks it won't be believable if he backs off completely, or thinks he has no chance of winning the pro-enforcement vote, anyway.

    He would be right about the latter. At this point anyone who cares about immigration enforcement has stopped listening to Rubio. We know what he's done, and we know he's a man who doesn't keep his word.
    , @International Jew

    "Trump's coalition is exactly what the Republican Party for all these years has been claiming they want." http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/02/24/donaldus_maximus_dominates_nevada …
     
    First time I've heard it put that way: that's exactly right.
    , @SFG
    No, it wouldn't. He's a young guy, he can try again in 4 years. But Trump's got way too much momentum unless every other candidate pulls out now but one, and even then I'm not so sure.

    He'd just look like a wimpy flip-flopper. I don't think Trump can be stopped at this juncture.

    The general election is another story.
  6. I would like it more if Trump promised to send Rubio back to Cuba and make Rubio pay for his flight.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    Why bother with the plane? Think of the "carbon footprint".

    Do a Mariel in reverse.
  7. “Rubio…isn’t stupid, so he has backed off his support of the Gang of Eight bill, unlike Jeb Bush. Also unlike Jeb, Rubio is still in the race. But, Rubio is having a hard time getting Republican voters to trust him on immigration.”

    Unfortunately – or, should I say, fortunately? – no one would believe him at this point. He ran for Senate claiming to oppose amnesty. Within 2 years he betrayed his voters. He advocated vigorously for one of the worst immigration bills to ever pass the Senate, and he has only backed off that position tepidly and grudgingly.

    “Well maybe if I walk it back half an inch they’ll accept that? Not enough. Well maybe half an inch more? No? Well damn.”

    He clearly doesn’t want to let go of his support for amnesty. Whatever ground he gives, he’s trying to leave himself room to still back some form of amnesty or non-enforcement if he wins. Up until a week ago he was still saying he’d honor DACA, Obama’s illegal executive amnesty. If he had completely reversed himself from the beginning and realized that Republicans will accept nothing less than a president willing to fully enforce our immigration laws then he might have stood a chance. We might have been dumb enough to believe him again.

    At this point he’s toast. Ted Cruz will stay in for as long as he can because he knows Rubio is toast and because he knows that if Trump somehow implodes Trump’s supporters are more likely to flee to him than to Rubio.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    But that's why sticking it to his own Cubans would be a big deal. I imagine he's not going to do that, but I want to at least get it on the record that calling for taking away privileges from Cubans to help Americans would be a big deal. Granted, nobody else is talking about Rubio and the new Cuban inundation, but if he brought it up, people would likely notice that for once a minority politician is acting patriotically rather than racistly.
    , @I, Libertine
    If I posted here often enough to be able to use the "agree" feature, I would just do that. But as long as I'm typing here, I'll recommend that you check out Rubio's recent appearance on Bill O'Reilly's shrieking heads show.

    Ol' Bill from Levittown had one of his better nights, forcing Rubio to all-but-admit that his eventual goal is amnesty for all, especially Hispanics, which he assumes he can bring about by helping "the American people" realize how unkind it would be to do anything else.


    Here it is.
    , @Ozymandias
    "Cruz will stay in for as long as he can because he knows Rubio is toast and because he knows that if Trump somehow implodes Trump’s supporters are more likely to flee to him than to Rubio."

    And he's pealing more votes away from Trump than Rubio is. That gives him leverage towards that VP, if Trump sees that he needs the delegates. We'll all know shortly.
  8. @Buck Dodgers Superstar
    Rubio won't do it. Instead he will attack Trump for being insufficiently pro-Israel. And he will lose.

    Lots of luck with that.

  9. @Dave Pinsen
    This could actually work, but I don't think Rubio wants to win badly enough to try it.

    For that matter, neither does the GOP elite. as Rush Limbaugh pointed out yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/702672597243265025

    “This could actually work, but I don’t think Rubio wants to win badly enough to try it.”

    I think Rubio wants to win badly enough. He was perfectly willing to lie to win his Senate seat, so that can’t be the reason. He’ll either lose his billionaire backers, or thinks it won’t be believable if he backs off completely, or thinks he has no chance of winning the pro-enforcement vote, anyway.

    He would be right about the latter. At this point anyone who cares about immigration enforcement has stopped listening to Rubio. We know what he’s done, and we know he’s a man who doesn’t keep his word.

    • Replies: @Taco

    I think Rubio wants to win badly enough. He was perfectly willing to lie to win his Senate seat, so that can’t be the reason. He’ll either lose his billionaire backers, or thinks it won’t be believable if he backs off completely, or thinks he has no chance of winning the pro-enforcement vote, anyway.
     
    You're ascribing a level of agency to Rubio that I don't think he has. Let's face it, he's an automaton preprogrammed with talking points. He's like Ron Burgundy, he'll say whatever his handlers tell him to say without a second thought. (Hell, without a first thought).
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    They tell me the only way to win the vote of Latinos is to bribe them with ethnic privileges like amnesty. But I don’t believe that. I believe you want to do what’s right for the American people as a whole.

    If Latinos reliably put their country’s interests ahead of their own, then Latin America wouldn’t be like…well, Latin America. But they don’t, and raising them here doesn’t seem to help much or make them successful. Until we can figure out how to do that (and we’ve been trying and failing with Africans for a long time now), it’d be a really good idea to stop importing people with problems we can’t fix, and only import those who we can do well with.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    After taking in 42 million mostly European immigrants from 1607 to 1960, and 50 million mostly non-Europeans since 1965, it's probably time to stop importing.
  11. @Wilkey
    "Rubio...isn’t stupid, so he has backed off his support of the Gang of Eight bill, unlike Jeb Bush. Also unlike Jeb, Rubio is still in the race. But, Rubio is having a hard time getting Republican voters to trust him on immigration."

    Unfortunately - or, should I say, fortunately? - no one would believe him at this point. He ran for Senate claiming to oppose amnesty. Within 2 years he betrayed his voters. He advocated vigorously for one of the worst immigration bills to ever pass the Senate, and he has only backed off that position tepidly and grudgingly.

    "Well maybe if I walk it back half an inch they'll accept that? Not enough. Well maybe half an inch more? No? Well damn."

    He clearly doesn't want to let go of his support for amnesty. Whatever ground he gives, he's trying to leave himself room to still back some form of amnesty or non-enforcement if he wins. Up until a week ago he was still saying he'd honor DACA, Obama's illegal executive amnesty. If he had completely reversed himself from the beginning and realized that Republicans will accept nothing less than a president willing to fully enforce our immigration laws then he might have stood a chance. We might have been dumb enough to believe him again.

    At this point he's toast. Ted Cruz will stay in for as long as he can because he knows Rubio is toast and because he knows that if Trump somehow implodes Trump's supporters are more likely to flee to him than to Rubio.

    But that’s why sticking it to his own Cubans would be a big deal. I imagine he’s not going to do that, but I want to at least get it on the record that calling for taking away privileges from Cubans to help Americans would be a big deal. Granted, nobody else is talking about Rubio and the new Cuban inundation, but if he brought it up, people would likely notice that for once a minority politician is acting patriotically rather than racistly.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.
    , @IA

    . . . people would likely notice that for once a minority politician is acting patriotically rather than racistly
     
    Steve, wasn't that Obama's line? Actually that's what whites imagined - and oh so desperately projected their desires onto the non-scary black man.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    How can you get a law degree and be a good looking, well-spoken Cubano in South Florida and not be an effing millionaire?
  12. if he is smart rubio will attack trump over his support of gay marriage and abortion.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "if he is smart rubio will attack trump over his support of gay marriage and abortion."

    And Trump could bring up the fact that one of Rubio's principal donors is Paul Singer, the billionaire hedge-fund manager and debt-collector, who is a big supporter of the homosexual agenda.

    Singer funds pro-gay super PAC

    Singer supports Rubio
    , @Anon
    "if he is smart rubio will attack trump over his support of gay marriage"

    United Fruit Company is too powerful.
  13. A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    • Replies: @Guy de Prince
    It also has a veiled reference to assassinating Trump

     Decimus Brutus, Servilius Casca, Cassius Longinus, Minocius, Marcus Brutus, all finally turned on him. Caesar was eventually taken down, in the most brutal of manners, on the Ides of March, the bloodied body of the would-be tyrant left lying in the streets of Rome....Where are the GOP’s Brutuses, the Cascas, the Longinuses, the Minociuses today?
     
    , @Maj. Kong
    A vote for Rubio is a vote for degeneracy, warmongering and oikophobia.

    http://rare.us/story/marco-rubio-thinks-we-should-risk-world-war-iii-over-a-no-fly-zone-in-syria/
    , @bomag
    (link to Nation magazine)

    So the answer to hate and bigotry from the Trump crowd is...hate and bigotry against the Trump crowd.

    That article and its comments are the usual "write by numbers" fare we get from the left: hand wringing over those who have stopped clapping for the approved victim groups; some micro-aggressions might have been spotted.

    And the incessant dwelling on Hitler; endless. The Thousand Year Reich rolls on.

    , @Godscalc
    Can I get you a tissue, sweetheart?
    , @fnn
    What else would The Nation say?
    , @Bacon Eater

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry
     
    Hate and bigotry will make America great again! But this isn't cowardice; please, don't confuse cowardice with discretion unless you're willing to post your personal details here and what daycare your children go to.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Well, in my case, it certainly will be a vote for hate. I truly hate the PC crowd and what it did, is doing and will do to my country.
    , @AnonAnon

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry
     
    So I'm a mean republican/white person. Got it. I've only been hearing that since at least the 80s. Good thing, unlike the kids of today, macro and micro aggressions roll off my back. I will greatly enjoy thinking about your tears on Election Day when Trump wins.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Two new trolls in two days! Steve must be having some effect.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Tiny Duck,

    I think you misspelled your nom-de-Steve. The "u" should be an "i".

    Don't thank me; I am here to help.
    , @The most deplorable one
    It seems that Tiny D*ck gets around.

    It has been seen at other sites.
    , @SFG
    You must be new here.
    , @pyrrhus
    One of the best examples of projection by leftists, who hate Americans, are cowards, and despise whites and asians....
    , @AnotherDad

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry
     
    Tiny Duck, there is hate involved, but let's be clear about who is hating whom.

    I do not *hate* people of other nations ... i just don't *love* them (and don't want to live with them). There is a difference, which any toddler is aware of but which seems to elude folks like you.

    I admit i do despise folks like you, Soros, Zuckerberg. (Because of your desire to destroy my nation.) But i'm nonetheless actually fine with all the folks like you setting up and living in your open-borders diversitopia. If that's really how you want to live ... peachy.

    However, for myself, my family i want to live in a "white" nation. A nation with "white" culture, institutions, mores, values. In other words i want to live in the American nation i was born into, grew up in--what's left of it. That's the nation that i'm part of and that works for me.

    What you are demanding is that white people--uniquely of all people in the world--*not* be allowed to live in a nation of their choosing that reflects their heritage, culture, values. And beyond that, you demand that white people nonetheless be kept around--never allowed to separate and build communities for themselves--to provide the high-quality *goodies* that white societies produce--technology, prosperity, order, etc.--for any non-whites that want them.

    Boiled down, your demand is that white people be slaves. Not allowed to have their own nation--or even their own communities--but ceaseless laboring for others, while you harass, mock and abuse them for their "whiteness".

    I say: "Let my people go!"

    , @Trumpster
    Funny how all the Tiny D_cks on the Left always default to Raassism...are they really this dumb?
    , @Reg Cæsar
    From their ad for This Immigrant Nation, a book of essays from The Nation:

    American immigration has been debated in the pages of The Nation almost since its founding in 1865. The magazine has generally come down on the inclusive or “liberal” side of the great debate, but the editors were not immune from the prejudices of their times—an 1891 editorial called for the exclusion of “lunatics, paupers and cripples.”
     
    So you and The Nation now support the importation of lunatics, paupers, and cripples?

    Sounds like a perceptive description of their editorial board.
    , @gda
    I see where a professor Helmut Norporth has predicted that Trump has a 97% chance of winning the general over Hillary - he's saying 54.7 to 45.3% popular vote. He claims his statistical model has "correctly predicted the results of every election in the last 104 years".

    There will be a lot more bewailing and gnashing of teeth to come from the left. I've got my popcorn ready and look forward to washing it down with their endless tears of anguish and befuddlement.

    , @Dirk Dagger
    ¡Pequeño pato! Shame on you! Los Asperger-Amigos of the iSteve-o- sphere aren't hip to trolling. They're muy racionalitos, none of the jokeings for them. ¡Ay caramba!
  14. @TangoMan
    Along the same lines I've come to see two types of immigrants, those who view immigration as a way to help their fellow co-ethnics and those who immediately reject allegiance to their co-ethnics and transfer their allegiance to America. The former are in favor of more immigration, of comprehensive immigration reform and want America to accommodate them. The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America's back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals. The former group work to keep their culture alive, socialize/ghettoize into ethnic enclaves. The latter try their darnedest to escape the ethnic enclaves, they name their kids with good old American names, some Americanize/Anglicanize their names in order to fit in better. The former often come here because they want to better their financial prospects. The latter come here because they want to be Americans, like the people they read about in the news, in novels, see in movies or on TV in their native land - they want to be JR Ewing.

    The former seem to constitute about 99% of immigrants. I've only known a few who are immigrants who have cast their lot with the people who invited them here and feel that their allegiance is owed towards those who want to keep America as America.

    Rubio has too deep a public record demonstrating that he's in the former group. His whole damn identity, right down to the Rainbow Picture where he stood with Scott & Haley, is that he's a Cuban-American, intent on helping Hispanics in America and he has no damn interest in preserving and championing the historical American white identity.

    In a who, whom contest, Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that's why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy. He wouldn't be credible and this would, rightly, be seen as another convenient flip-flop because his heart, and identity, simply isn't in it.

    If immigrants who throw in their lot with their adoptive nation appear so rare, it’s probably mostly a consequence of the fact that Hispanics make up such a large percentage of the immigrant population in the US. I’ve encountered a surprising number of Trump supporters among Eastern European immigrants, for instance. Okay, okay, I guess that’s not actually surprising. Asian immigrants are pretty good about assimilation, too!

    With the Mexicans it all feels quite different though. It’s honestly like Mexico has basically over a sizeable portion of the United States and is now trying to hijack its government. Weird stuff. Can we not be run by agents of foreign polities anymore, please?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Large portions of the southwestern United States were once Mexico--no portion of the United States was ever eastern European. That's not the whole answer, but don't overlook irredentism as a factor.
    , @OFWHAP
    Asian immigrants are pretty good about assimilation, too!

    It really depends on where these Asians end up. Most major metropolitan areas in the US have Chinatown, Japantown, Koreatown, etc. There are individual churches that identify by ethnicity. In my hometown, there are Korean Baptist/Methodist (I don't remember which it is) churches. The Hmong in Michigan have not assimilated at all, as evidenced in ¡Adios America!
  15. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    It also has a veiled reference to assassinating Trump

     Decimus Brutus, Servilius Casca, Cassius Longinus, Minocius, Marcus Brutus, all finally turned on him. Caesar was eventually taken down, in the most brutal of manners, on the Ides of March, the bloodied body of the would-be tyrant left lying in the streets of Rome….Where are the GOP’s Brutuses, the Cascas, the Longinuses, the Minociuses today?

  16. @Anonym
    I would like it more if Trump promised to send Rubio back to Cuba and make Rubio pay for his flight.

    Why bother with the plane? Think of the “carbon footprint”.

    Do a Mariel in reverse.

  17. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    A vote for Rubio is a vote for degeneracy, warmongering and oikophobia.

    http://rare.us/story/marco-rubio-thinks-we-should-risk-world-war-iii-over-a-no-fly-zone-in-syria/

  18. So here’s a two-stage plan for how Rubio could actually win over Republican voters on the crucial immigration issue.

    Tanks, but we don’t need no stinkin’ two-stage plans. I’m a gonna do dis!

  19. Steve, since Rubio is my senator, and I voted for him partly on his no amnesty promise during his senate campaign, I currently hold a lot of animus towards Rubio and normally couldn’t see myself voting for him, even if he did turn out to be the last man standing.

    Unless…he actually took your advice. Rubio is in a position in which he needs some sort of massive game changer to dethrone Trump. He needs a Hail Mary pass to keep himself competitive. So either announce that he’s selecting Sarah Palin to be his running mate or….take your rather brilliant advice.

    I suspect he would rather invite Sarah Palin onto the ticket than take your advice.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    He is still a proven liar.
  20. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    (link to Nation magazine)

    So the answer to hate and bigotry from the Trump crowd is…hate and bigotry against the Trump crowd.

    That article and its comments are the usual “write by numbers” fare we get from the left: hand wringing over those who have stopped clapping for the approved victim groups; some micro-aggressions might have been spotted.

    And the incessant dwelling on Hitler; endless. The Thousand Year Reich rolls on.

  21. Does an iSteve reading of the goat guts suggest exactly what Rubio has been promised to abandon the Senate as he stands for President? Where is his next stop on the money train?

    • Replies: @antipater_1
    Rubio will be a Wash DC lobbyist or a Wall Street dancing boy like Rahm Emanuel was. After Emanuel quit as Obama's chief of staff, he was given 16 million dollars over 2 years to scratch his ass and give a few speeches while pretending to be a Wall Street mover and shaker.
  22. A very good idea.

    It would work easily well for Cruz. Better, even, since Cruz might actually sincerely believe this about the Cuba policy.

    Cruz or Rubio could also go low-brow and pick on Trump’s constant perseveration of the “winning” meme. They could run a clever ad with split-screen of Trump on one side and Charlie Sheen on the other, both saying “winning” over and over again with a manic stare.

  23. Eloquent, sensible, inspiring even…we are so fucked when this isn’t just not on the table for discussion, it isn’t in the room, still, with almost everybody aside from Trump and Jeff Sessions.

    We talk about “Mexican mediocrity” and I do think it’s a problem, but they’re so far from blacks in their inherent hostility to whites and others, and they might be no less rule-following, after adjusting for class, than whites. Correlated with that “mediocrity” is an apathy for politics (feature not bug to Democrats and globalists) but not necessarily patriotism. They’ve always been over-represented among combat medal winners, for instance.

    It’s not inconceivable they wouldn’t at least split on such a move by Marco, and he could sell it to them from a self-interest point of view–no one is more in wage competition with new immigrants than them.
    Yeah, the responsible thing is to hope Rubio’s deeper than he looks and is capable of something like this, but what I really want is to see him melt down in public, singing “Daisy” a la Hal in 2001.

  24. @Steven J.
    "You should vote Republicans not because of what we promise you as Hispanics, but because of what we promise all Americans as Americans: to do what’s best not for any single ethnic group, but for the citizens of America as a whole."

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That's the problem with citizenism, it's goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a "free rider group" in society, which there inevitably will be, then it's a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.

    Trump is the best thing to happen to the Republicans in a long, long, long time.

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a “free rider group” in society, which there inevitably will be, then it’s a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.

    There are loads of examples where this has worked. It is just that no-one ever tries it in the modern-day West.

    I have been saying this stuff for some time. The keywords are ‘loyalty’ and ‘gratitude’ and suddenly immigration restriction has the absolute moral high-ground among immigrant communities, which it should.

    French Jewish intellectuals like Finkielkraut have had this whole shtick down for some time. It is working, it is true and it is beautiful. It is also more inclusive, less divisive and more progressive than the most progressive line there is on immigration. It assumes the sale too. I mean what Mexican who has arrived in America does not appreciate the wonderfulness of the club that they have been let into to and does not feel loyal and protective of it? That is what any good person would feel and do and Mexicans are good people. Indeed any Mexican-American who does not want to shut the border to protect what they have been given should have social opproprium heaped upon them for their ethno-centric selfishness and their gross disloyalty and ingratitude.

    Trump can do this. He can be the most inclusive candidate that America has had in a century. He can campaign to look out for the American people first and love all Americans.

    • Replies: @SFG
    I'm a first-generation American (I was born here, my parents were not).

    I don't see why my ancestry means I have to favor unlimited immigration into my country under all circumstances. Is it more important to be intellectually honest, or to do what's best for the country? There are worse crimes than hypocrisy.
    , @SFG
    BTW, at least part of the deal with Finkielkraut, Zemmour, et al. is that the major minority group in France (North African Muslims) has been specifically targeting Jews for violence. That hasn't been the case in the USA. There were some conflicts in the sixties and seventies over school control and stores, but now the groups occupy different areas (frequently in the same cities!) and there is little conflict.
    , @RadicalCenter
    You must know and live among much different Mexican-"Americans" than we do. Your naivete about Mexicans and their supposed loyalty to America is absurd.
  25. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    Can I get you a tissue, sweetheart?

  26. The Conservative Industrial Complex is rallying to the belief that another wave of angry, unhinged rants about Trump will do the trick. A few are coming to their senses, but most are full on “Prophecy from planet Clarion” mode right now. They keep coming up with scenarios in which Rubio will win.

    Mickey Kaus was making the obvious point months ago that dropping amnesty was the quickest way to stop Trump. All the GOP needed to do was rally their paid media behind Ted Cruz on the premise he was right on immigration and acceptable to the political class. Instead they rallied to the people the voters hate the most on immigration.

  27. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    What else would The Nation say?

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "What else would The Nation say?"

    Twenty years ago, they might've had something intelligent to say about a man who was genuinely representing the economic (and other) interests of the workingmen & women of this country. In 1996, they gave some sympathetic coverage to Pat Buchanan's campaign. But the SJW virus has infected all organs of the left, albeit a bit more severely in some cases than in others. The end result is largely the same, however.
  28. The concept of an American national interest that overrides and may even be in conflict with the interests of racial and ethnic groups within America, however true, would be hard for a polity raised on the idea that the whole exceeds the sum of the parts, even if the parts subtract from each other. It would take a more charismatic and forceful leader (and I think that it would have to be a racial minority) than Marcio Rubio to articulate it. Imagine a young politically astute Thomas Sowell calling for an end to all racial preferences on grounds that America will be thereby strengthened, even if blacks lose in their relative share of wealth. But the white SJWs would probably be more critical of him than even the blacks.

  29. Around Florida today it is Puerto Ricans who are flooding into the state as the territory goes bankrupt. Cuba, OTOH, could see a reverse flow in the next few years as the Castro regime is replaced. It has potential and no debt to speak of.

    My advice to the GOP is write blacks off. We’ll never get their votes but they hold a disproportionate share of state, county , municipal jobs as well as quango organizations like Rapid Transit districts, utilities, Federal grant funded agencies and the like at the expense of Latinos. It would not threaten a single white employees in the Philadelphia, Chicago or Atlanta municipal government if a guy like Rubio demanded Latinos be given their fair share of these sinecures or Congress would cut their funding. Make Hillary and Obama explain why Jose and Mirasol have to work for contractors to get government work while Latrivious and Shaneeka can goof off in the city office building.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  30. Good point, but I doubt he’ll do it. Rubio is just another glib politician who, except for a brief stint of law practice and part-time teaching at Florida International University in 2008-2010, has never received a paycheck that didn’t come from some form of government – he reminds me of Bill Clinton in that regard. When Rubio ran for the Senate in 2010, he said he was opposed to amnesty. Then he flipped and signed on to the dreadful Schumer amnesty bill. So he might flip again. Who knows? Who cares? I think Marco is toast, and good riddance.

  31. Rubio is a puppet created by the establishment. If he turns against his masters on the most important issue they have no need for him.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    "Rubio is a puppet created by the establishment. If he turns against his masters on the most important issue they have no need for him."

    Quite so. Rubio doesn't do what Steve suggests because Rubio is a stooge cultivated by the elite to do its bidding. The puppet doesn't pull the strings.
  32. Independent of what Rubio could do, has done, how he’s doing in the race: it is bizarre that he’s even in the race. He looks like a teenager, has no real experience in anything, is utterly lacking in gravitas. Frankly Cruz is about the same.

    Hillary is loathe some, sanders is a buffoon and 74 years old, Cruz and Rubio are little kids, and trump, in spite of the fact that he’s the best of the lot, is, in objective terms, a preposterous candidate for president. Are there no ‘wise men’ in either party?

    Obama of course broke the mold of ‘experienced, wise guy runs for president’ (though, truth be told bush 2 helped that along), but the entire process seems just broken now.

    Joeyjoejoe

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    He looks like a teenager

    A teenager with thinning hair.
  33. @Steven J.
    "You should vote Republicans not because of what we promise you as Hispanics, but because of what we promise all Americans as Americans: to do what’s best not for any single ethnic group, but for the citizens of America as a whole."

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That's the problem with citizenism, it's goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a "free rider group" in society, which there inevitably will be, then it's a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.

    Trump is the best thing to happen to the Republicans in a long, long, long time.

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature,

    The goal of that speech would not be getting Hispanics to vote Republican, but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.

    • Replies: @IA

    The goal of that speech would not be getting Hispanics to vote Republican, but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.
     
    I think what Steven J. is getting at here is that humans are not primarily rational and appealing to "citizenism" as a uniting principle is very cynical.
    , @MarkinLA
    but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.

    Why not just turn lead into gold?
  34. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    Hate and bigotry will make America great again! But this isn’t cowardice; please, don’t confuse cowardice with discretion unless you’re willing to post your personal details here and what daycare your children go to.

  35. @TangoMan
    Along the same lines I've come to see two types of immigrants, those who view immigration as a way to help their fellow co-ethnics and those who immediately reject allegiance to their co-ethnics and transfer their allegiance to America. The former are in favor of more immigration, of comprehensive immigration reform and want America to accommodate them. The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America's back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals. The former group work to keep their culture alive, socialize/ghettoize into ethnic enclaves. The latter try their darnedest to escape the ethnic enclaves, they name their kids with good old American names, some Americanize/Anglicanize their names in order to fit in better. The former often come here because they want to better their financial prospects. The latter come here because they want to be Americans, like the people they read about in the news, in novels, see in movies or on TV in their native land - they want to be JR Ewing.

    The former seem to constitute about 99% of immigrants. I've only known a few who are immigrants who have cast their lot with the people who invited them here and feel that their allegiance is owed towards those who want to keep America as America.

    Rubio has too deep a public record demonstrating that he's in the former group. His whole damn identity, right down to the Rainbow Picture where he stood with Scott & Haley, is that he's a Cuban-American, intent on helping Hispanics in America and he has no damn interest in preserving and championing the historical American white identity.

    In a who, whom contest, Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that's why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy. He wouldn't be credible and this would, rightly, be seen as another convenient flip-flop because his heart, and identity, simply isn't in it.

    The dual consciousness (your “two types of immigrants”) is the tragedy of the commons.

    As long as borders are wide open, immigrants will smuggle everybody they can into the country. How can you leave Tio Juan back home when everyone around you is bringing their families to America?

    At the same time, many if not most Mexican immigrants realize they would be better off without the endless flood of gang-banging, meth-dealing illegals … they just need (and perhaps want) the closed borders solution forced on them.

    Who would César Chávez and the UFW vote for?

    Trump.

    That is why Trump was so popular among Mexicans in Nevada.

  36. @TangoMan
    Along the same lines I've come to see two types of immigrants, those who view immigration as a way to help their fellow co-ethnics and those who immediately reject allegiance to their co-ethnics and transfer their allegiance to America. The former are in favor of more immigration, of comprehensive immigration reform and want America to accommodate them. The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America's back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals. The former group work to keep their culture alive, socialize/ghettoize into ethnic enclaves. The latter try their darnedest to escape the ethnic enclaves, they name their kids with good old American names, some Americanize/Anglicanize their names in order to fit in better. The former often come here because they want to better their financial prospects. The latter come here because they want to be Americans, like the people they read about in the news, in novels, see in movies or on TV in their native land - they want to be JR Ewing.

    The former seem to constitute about 99% of immigrants. I've only known a few who are immigrants who have cast their lot with the people who invited them here and feel that their allegiance is owed towards those who want to keep America as America.

    Rubio has too deep a public record demonstrating that he's in the former group. His whole damn identity, right down to the Rainbow Picture where he stood with Scott & Haley, is that he's a Cuban-American, intent on helping Hispanics in America and he has no damn interest in preserving and championing the historical American white identity.

    In a who, whom contest, Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that's why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy. He wouldn't be credible and this would, rightly, be seen as another convenient flip-flop because his heart, and identity, simply isn't in it.

    Your “former” group includes a certain Friedrich Trump, who went to America to make money, then went back to his native Germany to marry one of his neighbors, and eventually made it back to America only because he was kicked out of his birth country.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/29/kallstadt-germany-on-the-trail-of-the-donald-in-the-trump-ancestral-home

    • Replies: @German_reader
    So what, this was a 100 years ago. And there was pretty severe assimilation pressure on German-Americans during WW1 (that's why there's no German-American lobby today, which is somewhat unfortunate for Germany)...nothing like that today.
    OT: The German government now estimates that 3,5 mio "refugees" will come until 2020 (I think that means the million who came last year plus another 2,5 mio). It will be like Lebanon soon enough.
  37. @Steve Sailer
    But that's why sticking it to his own Cubans would be a big deal. I imagine he's not going to do that, but I want to at least get it on the record that calling for taking away privileges from Cubans to help Americans would be a big deal. Granted, nobody else is talking about Rubio and the new Cuban inundation, but if he brought it up, people would likely notice that for once a minority politician is acting patriotically rather than racistly.

    You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    First, recall that previous white immigrants were not allowed family reunification preferences. That alone is huge because it has allowed for a multiplier effect for the largely non-white immigrants of today.

    Second, recall that previous white immigrants came to a society that largely had no social safety nets, so they had to prove they were capable of supporting themselves. Today's immigrants might never have to work a day in their lives and can receive cradle to grave benefits courtesy of the state.

    Third, recall that previous white immigrants were strongly forced to learn English and abandon any ties to their old European homes. Today's immigrants are catered to by government agencies in their native languages and are allowed to remain citizens of their former nations.

    I could go on, but the point is if you would like to normalize the treatment of today's immigrants with yesteryear's European immigrants, let's start by addressing the above discrepancies.

    As far as your original statement about Steve asking today's immigrants to do something that yesteryear's did not, wasn't it white immigrants and their descendants who crafted and passed the 1924 Immigration Act which limited further immigration from Europe? They even set up quotas so as to not upset the existing ethnic balance.

    Do you think Latin American immigrants of today would do the same? Do you think Chinese immigrants of today would do the same? Do you think Mexicans, Chinese, Indians and others are satisfied with their current share of the ethnic balance and would agree to not try to alter their numbers with further immigration? I imagine they would never support legislation that severely capped Latin Americans, Chinese, etc. from immigrating.

    , @MarkinLA
    Immigration in 1924 was severely restricted.
    , @IA
    Good point! In a human rights world a groups's rights, e.g., those most screwed up and unable to compete, can never be satisfied. The more successful groups will always be "privileged."
    , @Daniel H
    >>You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    But in the past there had never been a presumption of enduring transcendent ethnic solidarity with white ethnics as exists today with Cubans and other Latins. Additionally, the sheer volume of Latin immigrants makes today's circumstances different. And if you don't think that these circumstances are the case, you are blind to the reality.

    Furthermore, a smart Jewish politician who would like to get elected president should apply a similar tack to the Jewish community. A Jew that wants to gain the trust of the goyim would first have to attack the presumption of Jewish victimhood, resentment and privilege. Such a man has a chance of being elected, but there is no Jewish politician on the horizon who has such a vision. Ron Unz would be the man, but he is not a politician. Bernie's heart is in the right place but he is too caught up with fending off Hilary ankle biters to think strategically.
    , @karlub
    Per...

    >>You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that

    Look, I know this is only an n=1 anecdote, but that is what my own father did. Precisely. Consciously. I don't know Latvian because he thought it would be inappropriate for him to teach it to me.
  38. @Wilkey
    "This could actually work, but I don’t think Rubio wants to win badly enough to try it."

    I think Rubio wants to win badly enough. He was perfectly willing to lie to win his Senate seat, so that can't be the reason. He'll either lose his billionaire backers, or thinks it won't be believable if he backs off completely, or thinks he has no chance of winning the pro-enforcement vote, anyway.

    He would be right about the latter. At this point anyone who cares about immigration enforcement has stopped listening to Rubio. We know what he's done, and we know he's a man who doesn't keep his word.

    I think Rubio wants to win badly enough. He was perfectly willing to lie to win his Senate seat, so that can’t be the reason. He’ll either lose his billionaire backers, or thinks it won’t be believable if he backs off completely, or thinks he has no chance of winning the pro-enforcement vote, anyway.

    You’re ascribing a level of agency to Rubio that I don’t think he has. Let’s face it, he’s an automaton preprogrammed with talking points. He’s like Ron Burgundy, he’ll say whatever his handlers tell him to say without a second thought. (Hell, without a first thought).

  39. Mr. Sailer, the problem is that there is more than one way to end the special privilege of Cuban immigrants. Another would be to grant all immigrants the same privileges as Cuban immigrants.

  40. Nice idea, but I agree with the “idealism getting in the way” comment. At this point, I don’t think there’s enough space left in the race on the immigration hawk side for Rubio to find room. He’d look like, and get called out by the media, as going “me too,” and that would play into the perception of him as glib, insincere, and willing to say anything to get elected. (“Marcobot.”) He’d also be really pissing off his own natural base of support (the establishment/neocons), who it should be clear by now really want amnesty, whatever the cost.

    Side note: it’s getting amusing seeing the visceral fear that’s emerging over Trump from the tribe that always fears “torch and pitchfork” populists ginning up the majority. They’re increasingly hysterical, but they can’t really quite explain to people that it’s because of folk memory, stories from bubbie about the old country, and have that make sense to much anyone else.

    Side side note: I’ve come increasingly to the belief that they’re called the “Republican brain trust” because they have so few brains among them, they have to share.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Oh I think the brain trust have known all along that a populist anti-immigration campaign would be hugely successful. They have been doing everything they can to destroy anybody with a hint of wanting to limit immigration in the most vile manners possible so they aren't dumb.

    Calling people racists, anti-Semites, starving them of any money from the GOP accounts, outspending them 100 to 1, and smearing them mercilessly has been standard practice for at least 20 years. They know what they are doing.

    Trump simply can't be beaten by those tactics and the game has been played so long everybody can finally see it. Maybe 10 years ago the low information voter might be swayed just enough with a call for "decency" (say nothing but good things about immigrants) by backing the guy who claimed he will do things "the right way" and getting nothing in return. People realize that will never work.

    They are mad as hell and won't take it any more.
  41. Sound advice, but I doubt Rubio would take it for three reasons:

    1. It would look like a desperate reaction to Trump, the last gasp of a dying campaign.

    2. Rubio likely feels he is nicely positioned in 4 or 8 more years to make another run as the Latino establishment conservative selling whites on the idea that more handouts to minorities is the path to electoral success. After all, we’ll be a more diverse electorate in 8 years, etc…

    3. Expecting anyone to act against the interest of one’s own ethnic group and people is always a big ask, the Democratic party notwithstanding. Particularly for someone who will be unemployed in a few months.

    The better play for Rubio, and I’m surprised this hasn’t come up in the GOP race at all is to come out strongly against affirmative action, disparate impact, and the diversity racket in general. This puts Trump on the defensive (as a supporter of AA), forcing him to defend a program strongly disliked by his working class base. It causes the Dems to play the role of the “black party” as the defenders of AA. Rubio still comes out looking great by going against his own ethnic interests (Hispanics benefit from affirmative action, but not to the extent blacks do). And it has the added benefit of being sound public policy. His case could be something to the effect of, “Affirmative action played a crucial role 50 years ago, but we are a more diverse and tolerant country now, and the best way to stop discrimination by race is to stop discriminating by race.” He could also hammer home the point that AA is a product of judicial overreach and excessive gov’t regulation, which would play well with GOPe.

    Still he, and the rest of the GOP establishment, won’t do it. It would take intellectual honesty, courage and a certain cunning. All of which Rubio lacks. Thus, Trump.

    • Agree: TangoMan
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    This will give us Hillary. Blacks will vote for Hillary and so will the Hispanics. The base will still know Rubio wants amnesty. You stand a better chance of blocking amnesty with Hillary as President and a Republican Congress than you do with Rubio President and a Republican Congress.
  42. This is like all those pieces on how Obama was the ideal president to actually fix racism. Nice thought but not gonna happen.

  43. @Wilkey
    "Rubio...isn’t stupid, so he has backed off his support of the Gang of Eight bill, unlike Jeb Bush. Also unlike Jeb, Rubio is still in the race. But, Rubio is having a hard time getting Republican voters to trust him on immigration."

    Unfortunately - or, should I say, fortunately? - no one would believe him at this point. He ran for Senate claiming to oppose amnesty. Within 2 years he betrayed his voters. He advocated vigorously for one of the worst immigration bills to ever pass the Senate, and he has only backed off that position tepidly and grudgingly.

    "Well maybe if I walk it back half an inch they'll accept that? Not enough. Well maybe half an inch more? No? Well damn."

    He clearly doesn't want to let go of his support for amnesty. Whatever ground he gives, he's trying to leave himself room to still back some form of amnesty or non-enforcement if he wins. Up until a week ago he was still saying he'd honor DACA, Obama's illegal executive amnesty. If he had completely reversed himself from the beginning and realized that Republicans will accept nothing less than a president willing to fully enforce our immigration laws then he might have stood a chance. We might have been dumb enough to believe him again.

    At this point he's toast. Ted Cruz will stay in for as long as he can because he knows Rubio is toast and because he knows that if Trump somehow implodes Trump's supporters are more likely to flee to him than to Rubio.

    If I posted here often enough to be able to use the “agree” feature, I would just do that. But as long as I’m typing here, I’ll recommend that you check out Rubio’s recent appearance on Bill O’Reilly’s shrieking heads show.

    Ol’ Bill from Levittown had one of his better nights, forcing Rubio to all-but-admit that his eventual goal is amnesty for all, especially Hispanics, which he assumes he can bring about by helping “the American people” realize how unkind it would be to do anything else.

    Here it is.

  44. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    Well, in my case, it certainly will be a vote for hate. I truly hate the PC crowd and what it did, is doing and will do to my country.

  45. Re: Steve’s speculative Rubio, “You should vote Republicans not because of what we promise you as Hispanics, but because of what we promise all Americans as Americans: to do what’s best not for any single ethnic group, but for the citizens of America as a whole.”

    I’ve argued many times in other venues that the correct tack for Republicans in recruiting both Hispanic AND African American citizens is that they are just that – CITIZENS of the United States. And because of their citizenship status are also discriminated against in employment. Regardless of what kinds of cultural affinity they may have with immigrants, the fact is that massive immigration crushes their wages and drives them out of the workforce altogether.

    And the dirty little secret is that the Crony employers actually prefer an illegal immigrant labor source rather than a legalized one, (citizen or not). Because illegal immigrants can be intimidated to accept garbage wages, no benefits and be paid under the table requiring no payroll taxes from the employer.

    In fact, if the current 11 million illegal immigrants were suddenly made legal, the Cronies would preferentially hire new illegals instead as soon as they made it across the border. (Which blatantly argues for immigration enforcement emphasizing employers as the targets. Because they have the deep pockets to pay what should be massive fines.)

    I admit that above points have resonated with exactly no one, and I have no idea why not.

    BTW, I was in the Charlotte airport recently waiting for a late connecting flight. I noticed that the 4 gates around me were staffed by East Africans. I could tell by their accents when they made announcements. So now the arduous, back breaking requirements of airline gate agent make it yet another job that Americans won’t do.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  46. I like it Steve. I’d go as far to as to call it his “Hermana Cubana” moment if it were to happen, in honor of Bill Clinton turning on one “Sista Souljah”. You’d like see Tom Wolfe endorse Marco if that were to happen.

    Still, Rubio would have to take control of his money men to make your move, and as we’ve so far, he hasn’t shown the spine yet to do that. (Maybe if he wasn’t rushed to run in 2016, but waited for 2020 or 2024 he’d have enough seasoning?) Great pols treat the money men like the barnacles they are; Is Rubio ready to tell Norman Braman, he off the million dollar check to Marco, to “sit down, shut up and let me get elected first and we’ll figure out the wars in the middle east later?”

    • Replies: @CJ
    Great pols treat the money men like the barnacles they are ...

    Former California State Treasurer and long-time pol Jesse Unruh on lobbyists:


    "If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money and then vote against them you've got no business being up here."
     
  47. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    So I’m a mean republican/white person. Got it. I’ve only been hearing that since at least the 80s. Good thing, unlike the kids of today, macro and micro aggressions roll off my back. I will greatly enjoy thinking about your tears on Election Day when Trump wins.

    • Replies: @OP
    The problem with the left is that they don't understand that insults lose their sting after a while. I've been hearing this since the 90's (I'm an older Millennial), so being called "stupid" and "racist" is very ineffective.
  48. @Glaivester

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature,
     
    The goal of that speech would not be getting Hispanics to vote Republican, but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.

    The goal of that speech would not be getting Hispanics to vote Republican, but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.

    I think what Steven J. is getting at here is that humans are not primarily rational and appealing to “citizenism” as a uniting principle is very cynical.

  49. Rubio should invest in a second facial expression.

    • Agree: FactsAreImportant
    • Replies: @FactsAreImportant
    He can't call it Blue Steel. That name is already taken.
  50. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    First, Rubio should make a major speech calling for the immediate end of all the immigration privileges enjoyed by his own Cuban people. He should thank the American citizenry for their tremendous generosity toward Cubans over the decades, but state that the time has come to end the “dry foot” privilege of Cubans before another Mariel-like flash mob of Cubans descends upon America.

    You mean: “Look at me I’m just like Trump, except I am also a donor class rent boy!”

  51. Anyone who would let Chuck Schumer talk him into voting for amnesty, despite the opposition of the actual voters of his own party, is not strong enough to make that speech. It is a good speech and it would steal Trump’s issue but it won’t get made

  52. @TangoMan
    Along the same lines I've come to see two types of immigrants, those who view immigration as a way to help their fellow co-ethnics and those who immediately reject allegiance to their co-ethnics and transfer their allegiance to America. The former are in favor of more immigration, of comprehensive immigration reform and want America to accommodate them. The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America's back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals. The former group work to keep their culture alive, socialize/ghettoize into ethnic enclaves. The latter try their darnedest to escape the ethnic enclaves, they name their kids with good old American names, some Americanize/Anglicanize their names in order to fit in better. The former often come here because they want to better their financial prospects. The latter come here because they want to be Americans, like the people they read about in the news, in novels, see in movies or on TV in their native land - they want to be JR Ewing.

    The former seem to constitute about 99% of immigrants. I've only known a few who are immigrants who have cast their lot with the people who invited them here and feel that their allegiance is owed towards those who want to keep America as America.

    Rubio has too deep a public record demonstrating that he's in the former group. His whole damn identity, right down to the Rainbow Picture where he stood with Scott & Haley, is that he's a Cuban-American, intent on helping Hispanics in America and he has no damn interest in preserving and championing the historical American white identity.

    In a who, whom contest, Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that's why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy. He wouldn't be credible and this would, rightly, be seen as another convenient flip-flop because his heart, and identity, simply isn't in it.

    Thank you, TangoMan.
    I humbly count myself and my family as

    The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America’s back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals.

    While our kids, born in Russia, are not renamed, the names of their kids (born here in the USA, our grand-kids) are quite American.
    I am really thankful to America for giving the freedom to educate our kids,
    the degree of freedom of choice we did not observe for them in the former USSR.
    Freedom of choosing AP Calculus in 9-th grade,
    of being able to get “Dual Enrollment” to the courses at local University.
    Thank you, USA!

    Disclosure: the said above does not automatically mean approval (or disapproval)
    of the policies of the Government of the USA.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Complaining about the government is perfectly American. I wouldn't feel too guilty.
  53. @Steve Sailer
    But that's why sticking it to his own Cubans would be a big deal. I imagine he's not going to do that, but I want to at least get it on the record that calling for taking away privileges from Cubans to help Americans would be a big deal. Granted, nobody else is talking about Rubio and the new Cuban inundation, but if he brought it up, people would likely notice that for once a minority politician is acting patriotically rather than racistly.

    . . . people would likely notice that for once a minority politician is acting patriotically rather than racistly

    Steve, wasn’t that Obama’s line? Actually that’s what whites imagined – and oh so desperately projected their desires onto the non-scary black man.

  54. Quote o’ the Day

    “It is time to discard the fiction that those who have brought the US to this pass have had honorable motivations.”

    http://straightlinelogic.com/2016/02/16/life-or-death-by-robert-gore/

  55. You guys laugh now.

    Trump will more than likely not win the nomination.

    He will certainly not win the presidency.

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field. I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did

    • Replies: @Coemgen

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field.
     
    Surely you mean leveled playing field.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    sp--It's "Dick" not "Duck."
    , @dr kill
    Yes yes yes, but to paraphrase my neighbor El Rushbo, who will make me tie half my brain behind my back to make it fair?
    , @celt darnell
    Re: "I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did."

    Who is this "we" kemosabe?
  56. @Numinous
    Your "former" group includes a certain Friedrich Trump, who went to America to make money, then went back to his native Germany to marry one of his neighbors, and eventually made it back to America only because he was kicked out of his birth country.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/29/kallstadt-germany-on-the-trail-of-the-donald-in-the-trump-ancestral-home

    So what, this was a 100 years ago. And there was pretty severe assimilation pressure on German-Americans during WW1 (that’s why there’s no German-American lobby today, which is somewhat unfortunate for Germany)…nothing like that today.
    OT: The German government now estimates that 3,5 mio “refugees” will come until 2020 (I think that means the million who came last year plus another 2,5 mio). It will be like Lebanon soon enough.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    Friedrich Trump showed up in 1885 (if I remember correctly) in the Alaska Territory during the gold rush. He wasn't exactly mooching off an established system or anything.
  57. iSteveFan says:
    @Numinous
    You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    First, recall that previous white immigrants were not allowed family reunification preferences. That alone is huge because it has allowed for a multiplier effect for the largely non-white immigrants of today.

    Second, recall that previous white immigrants came to a society that largely had no social safety nets, so they had to prove they were capable of supporting themselves. Today’s immigrants might never have to work a day in their lives and can receive cradle to grave benefits courtesy of the state.

    Third, recall that previous white immigrants were strongly forced to learn English and abandon any ties to their old European homes. Today’s immigrants are catered to by government agencies in their native languages and are allowed to remain citizens of their former nations.

    I could go on, but the point is if you would like to normalize the treatment of today’s immigrants with yesteryear’s European immigrants, let’s start by addressing the above discrepancies.

    As far as your original statement about Steve asking today’s immigrants to do something that yesteryear’s did not, wasn’t it white immigrants and their descendants who crafted and passed the 1924 Immigration Act which limited further immigration from Europe? They even set up quotas so as to not upset the existing ethnic balance.

    Do you think Latin American immigrants of today would do the same? Do you think Chinese immigrants of today would do the same? Do you think Mexicans, Chinese, Indians and others are satisfied with their current share of the ethnic balance and would agree to not try to alter their numbers with further immigration? I imagine they would never support legislation that severely capped Latin Americans, Chinese, etc. from immigrating.

    • Replies: @Numinous
    I agree about the safety net/welfare part, but I'm a libertarian who would prefer to cut down welfare services while not quite closing down the borders, especially along ethnic lines (i.e., I am with Milton Friedman.)

    I don't think your point about earlier immigrants being forced to learn English is accurate. All my reading indicates that German was commonly spoken in the US until WWI (when it stopped for obvious reasons.) Also, all first generation immigrants spoke English as a second language, their children were fully bilingual, and only their grandchildren were primarily or exclusively English speakers. That pattern holds among immigrants today as well; if anything, the children themselves are more likely (almost certainly for mixed parentage kids) to become exclusive English speakers, accelerating the Americanization process.

    I'm not saying immigrants shouldn't be encouraged to assimilate or ask to feel loyal to the country that took them in, but that requiring the repudiation of their ancestry as a litmus test for loyalty is quite unreasonable. For people to think that others like them would be undesirable intruders while they themselves were let in as a favor requires schizophrenic thinking.
  58. @Mike Street Station
    Steve, since Rubio is my senator, and I voted for him partly on his no amnesty promise during his senate campaign, I currently hold a lot of animus towards Rubio and normally couldn't see myself voting for him, even if he did turn out to be the last man standing.

    Unless...he actually took your advice. Rubio is in a position in which he needs some sort of massive game changer to dethrone Trump. He needs a Hail Mary pass to keep himself competitive. So either announce that he's selecting Sarah Palin to be his running mate or....take your rather brilliant advice.

    I suspect he would rather invite Sarah Palin onto the ticket than take your advice.

    He is still a proven liar.

  59. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    Two new trolls in two days! Steve must be having some effect.

  60. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    Tiny Duck,

    I think you misspelled your nom-de-Steve. The “u” should be an “i”.

    Don’t thank me; I am here to help.

  61. @Glaivester

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature,
     
    The goal of that speech would not be getting Hispanics to vote Republican, but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.

    but to convince white voters that Rubio is not an enemy.

    Why not just turn lead into gold?

  62. @Numinous
    You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    Immigration in 1924 was severely restricted.

  63. @Anonymous

    They tell me the only way to win the vote of Latinos is to bribe them with ethnic privileges like amnesty. But I don’t believe that. I believe you want to do what’s right for the American people as a whole.
     
    If Latinos reliably put their country's interests ahead of their own, then Latin America wouldn't be like...well, Latin America. But they don't, and raising them here doesn't seem to help much or make them successful. Until we can figure out how to do that (and we've been trying and failing with Africans for a long time now), it'd be a really good idea to stop importing people with problems we can't fix, and only import those who we can do well with.

    After taking in 42 million mostly European immigrants from 1607 to 1960, and 50 million mostly non-Europeans since 1965, it’s probably time to stop importing.

  64. @Numinous
    You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    Good point! In a human rights world a groups’s rights, e.g., those most screwed up and unable to compete, can never be satisfied. The more successful groups will always be “privileged.”

  65. “Republicans……………deploy their talented minority politicians to demand more privileges for their own minority…”

    This seems to be the inversion of the old “Only Nixon can go to China.”

    How would one phrase that? Only Fonda can go to Hanoi? Only Fredo can go to Hyman Roth?

  66. @Thomas
    Nice idea, but I agree with the "idealism getting in the way" comment. At this point, I don't think there's enough space left in the race on the immigration hawk side for Rubio to find room. He'd look like, and get called out by the media, as going "me too," and that would play into the perception of him as glib, insincere, and willing to say anything to get elected. ("Marcobot.") He'd also be really pissing off his own natural base of support (the establishment/neocons), who it should be clear by now really want amnesty, whatever the cost.

    Side note: it's getting amusing seeing the visceral fear that's emerging over Trump from the tribe that always fears "torch and pitchfork" populists ginning up the majority. They're increasingly hysterical, but they can't really quite explain to people that it's because of folk memory, stories from bubbie about the old country, and have that make sense to much anyone else.

    Side side note: I've come increasingly to the belief that they're called the "Republican brain trust" because they have so few brains among them, they have to share.

    Oh I think the brain trust have known all along that a populist anti-immigration campaign would be hugely successful. They have been doing everything they can to destroy anybody with a hint of wanting to limit immigration in the most vile manners possible so they aren’t dumb.

    Calling people racists, anti-Semites, starving them of any money from the GOP accounts, outspending them 100 to 1, and smearing them mercilessly has been standard practice for at least 20 years. They know what they are doing.

    Trump simply can’t be beaten by those tactics and the game has been played so long everybody can finally see it. Maybe 10 years ago the low information voter might be swayed just enough with a call for “decency” (say nothing but good things about immigrants) by backing the guy who claimed he will do things “the right way” and getting nothing in return. People realize that will never work.

    They are mad as hell and won’t take it any more.

  67. @Hudson
    Sound advice, but I doubt Rubio would take it for three reasons:

    1. It would look like a desperate reaction to Trump, the last gasp of a dying campaign.

    2. Rubio likely feels he is nicely positioned in 4 or 8 more years to make another run as the Latino establishment conservative selling whites on the idea that more handouts to minorities is the path to electoral success. After all, we'll be a more diverse electorate in 8 years, etc...

    3. Expecting anyone to act against the interest of one's own ethnic group and people is always a big ask, the Democratic party notwithstanding. Particularly for someone who will be unemployed in a few months.

    The better play for Rubio, and I'm surprised this hasn't come up in the GOP race at all is to come out strongly against affirmative action, disparate impact, and the diversity racket in general. This puts Trump on the defensive (as a supporter of AA), forcing him to defend a program strongly disliked by his working class base. It causes the Dems to play the role of the "black party" as the defenders of AA. Rubio still comes out looking great by going against his own ethnic interests (Hispanics benefit from affirmative action, but not to the extent blacks do). And it has the added benefit of being sound public policy. His case could be something to the effect of, "Affirmative action played a crucial role 50 years ago, but we are a more diverse and tolerant country now, and the best way to stop discrimination by race is to stop discriminating by race." He could also hammer home the point that AA is a product of judicial overreach and excessive gov't regulation, which would play well with GOPe.

    Still he, and the rest of the GOP establishment, won't do it. It would take intellectual honesty, courage and a certain cunning. All of which Rubio lacks. Thus, Trump.

    This will give us Hillary. Blacks will vote for Hillary and so will the Hispanics. The base will still know Rubio wants amnesty. You stand a better chance of blocking amnesty with Hillary as President and a Republican Congress than you do with Rubio President and a Republican Congress.

  68. @WorkingClass
    Rubio should invest in a second facial expression.

    He can’t call it Blue Steel. That name is already taken.

  69. @wolfy
    if he is smart rubio will attack trump over his support of gay marriage and abortion.

    “if he is smart rubio will attack trump over his support of gay marriage and abortion.”

    And Trump could bring up the fact that one of Rubio’s principal donors is Paul Singer, the billionaire hedge-fund manager and debt-collector, who is a big supporter of the homosexual agenda.

    Singer funds pro-gay super PAC

    Singer supports Rubio

  70. @Pseudonymic Handle
    Rubio is a puppet created by the establishment. If he turns against his masters on the most important issue they have no need for him.

    “Rubio is a puppet created by the establishment. If he turns against his masters on the most important issue they have no need for him.”

    Quite so. Rubio doesn’t do what Steve suggests because Rubio is a stooge cultivated by the elite to do its bidding. The puppet doesn’t pull the strings.

  71. I’ll take all the Cubans if we can send back all the illegal Mexicans

  72. This speech I am giving may destroy my political career in Miami. I am a proud Cuban-American son of South Florida

    He’d be like Tom Wolfe’s character Hector Camacho, from _Back to Blood_, after he arrests that Cuban refugee.

  73. Interestingly, it has recently emerged that Senator Rubio was more nervous than the GOP Establishment about his signing on to the Democrats’ amnesty push. But all the Miami Republicans drinking at the Biltmore Hotel pool told him it was a no-brainer: everybody they knew was in favor of it.

    But, it turns out, Rubio was right to be nervous.

    That’s exactly the kind of President I want — the kind that recognizes a bad idea but allows himself to be drawn into it anyway!

  74. @Dave Pinsen
    This could actually work, but I don't think Rubio wants to win badly enough to try it.

    For that matter, neither does the GOP elite. as Rush Limbaugh pointed out yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/702672597243265025

    “Trump’s coalition is exactly what the Republican Party for all these years has been claiming they want.” http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/02/24/donaldus_maximus_dominates_nevada

    First time I’ve heard it put that way: that’s exactly right.

  75. @Anon
    Why would the other side(enemy) give you the advice that will make you win?

    I mean just think about it.

    And neocons.... do they want all Cons to win or just the neocon tribe?

    Just the neocon Tribe.

  76. The real problem with citizenism is that we live in a world where human rights are sacred.

    Imagine equating homosexual behavior with riding motorcycles. Which, by the way, is what authority figures should have done rather than focus on the sex angle, which played right into the hands of the gays. If they’d said you must be held accountable, you broke millennia of culturally proscribed rules, etc., that there are very good reasons dangerous behavior must be paid for by individuals who engage in it, we could have stopped gay rights in its tracks and even maybe turned the tide.

    But, gays pounced on their group rights being violated. Why wouldn’t they? They became even bigger victims and as usual the “authorities” caved. Repeat and rinse.

    There is no way in hell a group who perceives itself as having its “rights” violated is going to consider the greater good. No. Way. That would destroy the very premise of modern western civilization of the past 250 years. They MUST demand their rights.

    And at the other end you have status marking elites who do not have to pay for the consequences and in fact eagerly desire to display their “caring” and “tolerance” for victims.

  77. It looks good, Steve. Just throw in a few repeat lines and I could totally imagine him giving this speech.

    It looks good, Steve. Just throw in a few repeat lines and I could totally imagine him giving this speech.

    It looks good, Steve… etc.

  78. I presumed that “Dry foot” privileges ended when Obama reopened relationships with Cuba. Then again BHO could have screwed this up, like always. Could someone clarify this?

  79. Gracias, iEsteban you keep my wish for the Rubio-Graham dream team ticket.

  80. @Steve Sailer
    But that's why sticking it to his own Cubans would be a big deal. I imagine he's not going to do that, but I want to at least get it on the record that calling for taking away privileges from Cubans to help Americans would be a big deal. Granted, nobody else is talking about Rubio and the new Cuban inundation, but if he brought it up, people would likely notice that for once a minority politician is acting patriotically rather than racistly.

    How can you get a law degree and be a good looking, well-spoken Cubano in South Florida and not be an effing millionaire?

  81. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    It seems that Tiny D*ck gets around.

    It has been seen at other sites.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    He's probably getting paid by the screed. Too dumb to work at home for Google making $87 an hour like his sister.
  82. @Immigrant from former USSR
    Thank you, TangoMan.
    I humbly count myself and my family as

    The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America’s back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals.
     
    While our kids, born in Russia, are not renamed, the names of their kids (born here in the USA, our grand-kids) are quite American.
    I am really thankful to America for giving the freedom to educate our kids,
    the degree of freedom of choice we did not observe for them in the former USSR.
    Freedom of choosing AP Calculus in 9-th grade,
    of being able to get "Dual Enrollment" to the courses at local University.
    Thank you, USA!

    Disclosure: the said above does not automatically mean approval (or disapproval)
    of the policies of the Government of the USA.

    Complaining about the government is perfectly American. I wouldn’t feel too guilty.

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    Complaining about the government is perfectly American. I wouldn’t feel too guilty.

    At this stage, you should feel guilty if you DON'T have a complaint about the government.

  83. @This Is Our Home

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a “free rider group” in society, which there inevitably will be, then it’s a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.
     
    There are loads of examples where this has worked. It is just that no-one ever tries it in the modern-day West.

    I have been saying this stuff for some time. The keywords are 'loyalty' and 'gratitude' and suddenly immigration restriction has the absolute moral high-ground among immigrant communities, which it should.

    French Jewish intellectuals like Finkielkraut have had this whole shtick down for some time. It is working, it is true and it is beautiful. It is also more inclusive, less divisive and more progressive than the most progressive line there is on immigration. It assumes the sale too. I mean what Mexican who has arrived in America does not appreciate the wonderfulness of the club that they have been let into to and does not feel loyal and protective of it? That is what any good person would feel and do and Mexicans are good people. Indeed any Mexican-American who does not want to shut the border to protect what they have been given should have social opproprium heaped upon them for their ethno-centric selfishness and their gross disloyalty and ingratitude.

    Trump can do this. He can be the most inclusive candidate that America has had in a century. He can campaign to look out for the American people first and love all Americans.

    I’m a first-generation American (I was born here, my parents were not).

    I don’t see why my ancestry means I have to favor unlimited immigration into my country under all circumstances. Is it more important to be intellectually honest, or to do what’s best for the country? There are worse crimes than hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @This Is Our Home
    It is not even hypocrisy though. When I am invited around someone's house for dinner or to stay I don't bring a plus 100 or even a plus 1 if they don't want it. And I certainly would not harangue them into leaving the door unlocked.

    Gratitude is owed to those who did you the good deed. That is real. It is not owed through some weird abstract process to people who might end up in a similar position to you.

    All recent immigrants owe a huge debt to the country that has let them in. It takes a lot to build a country. Free riding immigrants owe nothing to the people they emigrated or ran away from and everything to the historic core majority.

  84. @Dave Pinsen
    This could actually work, but I don't think Rubio wants to win badly enough to try it.

    For that matter, neither does the GOP elite. as Rush Limbaugh pointed out yesterday.
    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/702672597243265025

    No, it wouldn’t. He’s a young guy, he can try again in 4 years. But Trump’s got way too much momentum unless every other candidate pulls out now but one, and even then I’m not so sure.

    He’d just look like a wimpy flip-flopper. I don’t think Trump can be stopped at this juncture.

    The general election is another story.

  85. @This Is Our Home

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a “free rider group” in society, which there inevitably will be, then it’s a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.
     
    There are loads of examples where this has worked. It is just that no-one ever tries it in the modern-day West.

    I have been saying this stuff for some time. The keywords are 'loyalty' and 'gratitude' and suddenly immigration restriction has the absolute moral high-ground among immigrant communities, which it should.

    French Jewish intellectuals like Finkielkraut have had this whole shtick down for some time. It is working, it is true and it is beautiful. It is also more inclusive, less divisive and more progressive than the most progressive line there is on immigration. It assumes the sale too. I mean what Mexican who has arrived in America does not appreciate the wonderfulness of the club that they have been let into to and does not feel loyal and protective of it? That is what any good person would feel and do and Mexicans are good people. Indeed any Mexican-American who does not want to shut the border to protect what they have been given should have social opproprium heaped upon them for their ethno-centric selfishness and their gross disloyalty and ingratitude.

    Trump can do this. He can be the most inclusive candidate that America has had in a century. He can campaign to look out for the American people first and love all Americans.

    BTW, at least part of the deal with Finkielkraut, Zemmour, et al. is that the major minority group in France (North African Muslims) has been specifically targeting Jews for violence. That hasn’t been the case in the USA. There were some conflicts in the sixties and seventies over school control and stores, but now the groups occupy different areas (frequently in the same cities!) and there is little conflict.

  86. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    You must be new here.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Is his name Tiny Duck or Tiny Dick?
  87. @dr kill
    Does an iSteve reading of the goat guts suggest exactly what Rubio has been promised to abandon the Senate as he stands for President? Where is his next stop on the money train?

    Rubio will be a Wash DC lobbyist or a Wall Street dancing boy like Rahm Emanuel was. After Emanuel quit as Obama’s chief of staff, he was given 16 million dollars over 2 years to scratch his ass and give a few speeches while pretending to be a Wall Street mover and shaker.

  88. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    One of the best examples of projection by leftists, who hate Americans, are cowards, and despise whites and asians….

  89. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    Tiny Duck, there is hate involved, but let’s be clear about who is hating whom.

    I do not *hate* people of other nations … i just don’t *love* them (and don’t want to live with them). There is a difference, which any toddler is aware of but which seems to elude folks like you.

    I admit i do despise folks like you, Soros, Zuckerberg. (Because of your desire to destroy my nation.) But i’m nonetheless actually fine with all the folks like you setting up and living in your open-borders diversitopia. If that’s really how you want to live … peachy.

    However, for myself, my family i want to live in a “white” nation. A nation with “white” culture, institutions, mores, values. In other words i want to live in the American nation i was born into, grew up in–what’s left of it. That’s the nation that i’m part of and that works for me.

    What you are demanding is that white people–uniquely of all people in the world–*not* be allowed to live in a nation of their choosing that reflects their heritage, culture, values. And beyond that, you demand that white people nonetheless be kept around–never allowed to separate and build communities for themselves–to provide the high-quality *goodies* that white societies produce–technology, prosperity, order, etc.–for any non-whites that want them.

    Boiled down, your demand is that white people be slaves. Not allowed to have their own nation–or even their own communities–but ceaseless laboring for others, while you harass, mock and abuse them for their “whiteness”.

    I say: “Let my people go!”

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    white slavery would be just seeing as how we enslaved the rest of the Free Peoples of the world
  90. This post alludes to a mystery everyone other than us Immigration Restrictionists refuses to even consider, let alone solve. Why each and every one of the candidates for president from both parties, excepting Trump, hasn’t done what top-tier politicians are really good at — shamelessly changing their position to get elected?

    Republicans better well recognize the risk of the Democratic nominee — whether Hillary, Sanders, or Biden — making this shameless shift for the general election. Unless I miss my mark, that is coming. Unlike the Republican base, Democrats rightly trust their nominees to say what they need to to get elected. It will get the Democrat elected if the Republican nominee isn’t Trump. Just game out the effect on working and middle class whites of Sanders’ labor arguments for immigration restriction running against Rubio?

    It will of course be impossible for the Democratic nominee to get to the right of Trump on immigration. I certainly will enjoy watching them try, however partially and lamely, like the other Republican candidates have been doing.

  91. @SFG
    You must be new here.

    Is his name Tiny Duck or Tiny Dick?

    • Replies: @SFG
    I think Trolling Duck is more like it...posting a single inflammatory statement with a link to the Nation below it on a quasi-alt-right site? The guy's gotta know what he's doing.
  92. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    Funny how all the Tiny D_cks on the Left always default to Raassism…are they really this dumb?

  93. @DCThrowback
    I like it Steve. I'd go as far to as to call it his "Hermana Cubana" moment if it were to happen, in honor of Bill Clinton turning on one "Sista Souljah". You'd like see Tom Wolfe endorse Marco if that were to happen.

    Still, Rubio would have to take control of his money men to make your move, and as we've so far, he hasn't shown the spine yet to do that. (Maybe if he wasn't rushed to run in 2016, but waited for 2020 or 2024 he'd have enough seasoning?) Great pols treat the money men like the barnacles they are; Is Rubio ready to tell Norman Braman, he off the million dollar check to Marco, to "sit down, shut up and let me get elected first and we'll figure out the wars in the middle east later?"

    Great pols treat the money men like the barnacles they are …

    Former California State Treasurer and long-time pol Jesse Unruh on lobbyists:

    “If you can’t eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money and then vote against them you’ve got no business being up here.”

  94. @iSteveFan
    First, recall that previous white immigrants were not allowed family reunification preferences. That alone is huge because it has allowed for a multiplier effect for the largely non-white immigrants of today.

    Second, recall that previous white immigrants came to a society that largely had no social safety nets, so they had to prove they were capable of supporting themselves. Today's immigrants might never have to work a day in their lives and can receive cradle to grave benefits courtesy of the state.

    Third, recall that previous white immigrants were strongly forced to learn English and abandon any ties to their old European homes. Today's immigrants are catered to by government agencies in their native languages and are allowed to remain citizens of their former nations.

    I could go on, but the point is if you would like to normalize the treatment of today's immigrants with yesteryear's European immigrants, let's start by addressing the above discrepancies.

    As far as your original statement about Steve asking today's immigrants to do something that yesteryear's did not, wasn't it white immigrants and their descendants who crafted and passed the 1924 Immigration Act which limited further immigration from Europe? They even set up quotas so as to not upset the existing ethnic balance.

    Do you think Latin American immigrants of today would do the same? Do you think Chinese immigrants of today would do the same? Do you think Mexicans, Chinese, Indians and others are satisfied with their current share of the ethnic balance and would agree to not try to alter their numbers with further immigration? I imagine they would never support legislation that severely capped Latin Americans, Chinese, etc. from immigrating.

    I agree about the safety net/welfare part, but I’m a libertarian who would prefer to cut down welfare services while not quite closing down the borders, especially along ethnic lines (i.e., I am with Milton Friedman.)

    I don’t think your point about earlier immigrants being forced to learn English is accurate. All my reading indicates that German was commonly spoken in the US until WWI (when it stopped for obvious reasons.) Also, all first generation immigrants spoke English as a second language, their children were fully bilingual, and only their grandchildren were primarily or exclusively English speakers. That pattern holds among immigrants today as well; if anything, the children themselves are more likely (almost certainly for mixed parentage kids) to become exclusive English speakers, accelerating the Americanization process.

    I’m not saying immigrants shouldn’t be encouraged to assimilate or ask to feel loyal to the country that took them in, but that requiring the repudiation of their ancestry as a litmus test for loyalty is quite unreasonable. For people to think that others like them would be undesirable intruders while they themselves were let in as a favor requires schizophrenic thinking.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    What about the point of whites legislating an end, or at least a severe curtailing of further white immigration in 1924? Would non-European immigrants and their descendants legislate for curtailing immigration of their co-ethnics today? Given that America's population is 320 million, third highest in the world, why wouldn't or shouldn't they agree to such a reduction?

    but that requiring the repudiation of their ancestry as a litmus test for loyalty is quite unreasonable.
     
    But that was what was required of European immigrants of the past. You suggested that we are asking more from today's immigrants than of yesteryear's. But I don't see it that way. And if you are not going to make them pledge loyalty to the USA and disavow loyalty to any foreign state, then you are the one who wants to treat them differently, not us.
    , @TangoMan
    I agree about the safety net/welfare part, but I’m a libertarian who would prefer to cut down welfare services while not quite closing down the borders, especially along ethnic lines (i.e., I am with Milton Friedman.)

    As a libertarian I assume that you would object to the following two scenarios.

    1.) At the annual meeting of your mutual fund, you and a few other libertarian activists, agitate for the board to not be see restrictive in terms of excluding people from being fund members and urge the fund manager to take random walks through the city and hand out shares to people on the street so that they too can participate in the fund alongside the fund members who've bought shares.

    2.) There needs to be legal reform so that when people die and their estates are being passed onto their children, that random people walking by the probate court can stop in and sit in the proceeding and expect to be cut if for an equal share of the estate.
  95. Rubio, who didn’t have the guts to defy the conventional wisdom in 2013, isn’t stupid, so he has backed off his support of the Gang of Eight bill, unlike Jeb Bush. Also unlike Jeb, Rubio is still in the race.

    Rubio may have more political acumen than Jeb, but that’s a bit like saying someone has a better human rights record than Idi Amin. He won’t take your clever advice, fortunately, and will go down to an ignominious and well-deserved defeat at the hands of The Trump.

  96. @AnonAnon

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry
     
    So I'm a mean republican/white person. Got it. I've only been hearing that since at least the 80s. Good thing, unlike the kids of today, macro and micro aggressions roll off my back. I will greatly enjoy thinking about your tears on Election Day when Trump wins.

    The problem with the left is that they don’t understand that insults lose their sting after a while. I’ve been hearing this since the 90’s (I’m an older Millennial), so being called “stupid” and “racist” is very ineffective.

  97. I believe you want to do what’s right for the American people as a whole

    And– *nudge nudge*– higher wages for you and yours would be a nice reward, too, ¿no, cumbanchero?

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    And– *nudge nudge*– higher wages for you and yours would be a nice reward, too, ¿no, cumbanchero?

    Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
  98. @fnn
    What else would The Nation say?

    What else would The Nation say?

    Twenty years ago, they might’ve had something intelligent to say about a man who was genuinely representing the economic (and other) interests of the workingmen & women of this country. In 1996, they gave some sympathetic coverage to Pat Buchanan’s campaign. But the SJW virus has infected all organs of the left, albeit a bit more severely in some cases than in others. The end result is largely the same, however.

  99. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    How much longer is Rubio going to hang on? It’s impossible to visualize him as being president. His car dealer backer certainly scouted out some good midlevel talent but not one quite good enough to make it all the way. Rubio should do himself and everyone else a favor and just drop out now.

  100. @SFG
    Complaining about the government is perfectly American. I wouldn't feel too guilty.

    Complaining about the government is perfectly American. I wouldn’t feel too guilty.

    At this stage, you should feel guilty if you DON’T have a complaint about the government.

  101. If only Karl Rove and the Bushes hadn’t gone down that path with appealing to Hispanics; legal and otherwise. All that accomplished was to put in place the pieces the left will need to ensure a permanent national majority for the rest of the century. Something needs to be done NOW, the demographics don’t favor retaining the US as a majority white country. It’s the simple fact that it is a majority white country is why all these ‘dusty’ peeps want to leave the mud hole and come here. You don’t see anybody with options wanting to live in the mud hole countries…..those are for escaping.

  102. @Jahangir
    If immigrants who throw in their lot with their adoptive nation appear so rare, it's probably mostly a consequence of the fact that Hispanics make up such a large percentage of the immigrant population in the US. I've encountered a surprising number of Trump supporters among Eastern European immigrants, for instance. Okay, okay, I guess that's not actually surprising. Asian immigrants are pretty good about assimilation, too!

    With the Mexicans it all feels quite different though. It's honestly like Mexico has basically over a sizeable portion of the United States and is now trying to hijack its government. Weird stuff. Can we not be run by agents of foreign polities anymore, please?

    Large portions of the southwestern United States were once Mexico–no portion of the United States was ever eastern European. That’s not the whole answer, but don’t overlook irredentism as a factor.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    Large portions of the southwestern United States were once Mexico–no portion of the United States was ever eastern European. That’s not the whole answer, but don’t overlook irredentism as a factor.

    Mexico only owned these territories for 20-30 years before the US annexed them all. It's not as if Mexico had a long-running, established system north of the Rio Grandeʼ. And for what it's worth, Russia had settlements in California and owned Alaska for longer than Mexico owned any of its northern territories.
  103. @Reg Cæsar

    I believe you want to do what’s right for the American people as a whole
     
    And-- *nudge nudge*-- higher wages for you and yours would be a nice reward, too, ¿no, cumbanchero?

    And– *nudge nudge*– higher wages for you and yours would be a nice reward, too, ¿no, cumbanchero?

    Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

  104. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    From their ad for This Immigrant Nation, a book of essays from The Nation:

    American immigration has been debated in the pages of The Nation almost since its founding in 1865. The magazine has generally come down on the inclusive or “liberal” side of the great debate, but the editors were not immune from the prejudices of their times—an 1891 editorial called for the exclusion of “lunatics, paupers and cripples.”

    So you and The Nation now support the importation of lunatics, paupers, and cripples?

    Sounds like a perceptive description of their editorial board.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Reg Cæsar said, "So you and The Nation now support the importation of lunatics, paupers, and cripples?"

    I think this should be "So you and The Nation now support the importation of lunatics, mental paupers, and emotional cripples?”
  105. @wolfy
    if he is smart rubio will attack trump over his support of gay marriage and abortion.

    “if he is smart rubio will attack trump over his support of gay marriage”

    United Fruit Company is too powerful.

  106. @AnotherDad

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry
     
    Tiny Duck, there is hate involved, but let's be clear about who is hating whom.

    I do not *hate* people of other nations ... i just don't *love* them (and don't want to live with them). There is a difference, which any toddler is aware of but which seems to elude folks like you.

    I admit i do despise folks like you, Soros, Zuckerberg. (Because of your desire to destroy my nation.) But i'm nonetheless actually fine with all the folks like you setting up and living in your open-borders diversitopia. If that's really how you want to live ... peachy.

    However, for myself, my family i want to live in a "white" nation. A nation with "white" culture, institutions, mores, values. In other words i want to live in the American nation i was born into, grew up in--what's left of it. That's the nation that i'm part of and that works for me.

    What you are demanding is that white people--uniquely of all people in the world--*not* be allowed to live in a nation of their choosing that reflects their heritage, culture, values. And beyond that, you demand that white people nonetheless be kept around--never allowed to separate and build communities for themselves--to provide the high-quality *goodies* that white societies produce--technology, prosperity, order, etc.--for any non-whites that want them.

    Boiled down, your demand is that white people be slaves. Not allowed to have their own nation--or even their own communities--but ceaseless laboring for others, while you harass, mock and abuse them for their "whiteness".

    I say: "Let my people go!"

    white slavery would be just seeing as how we enslaved the rest of the Free Peoples of the world

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    You do realize approximately 3 million Europeans were enslaved by various muslim entities?
    , @MEH 0910
    Are you saying that a vote for anybody but Trump is a vote for white slavery? For instance, that a vote for Hillary is a vote for white slavery?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Conveniently leaving out this fact: typically on the other end of every "sale" of an African person into U.S. slavery, was a seller who was himself African, Muslim, or both.

    By your logic, would it then be just to enslave Africans and Muslims? Grow up.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    Troll.
    Tiny Duck? Really?
  107. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “First, Rubio should make a major speech calling for the immediate end of all the immigration privileges enjoyed by his own Cuban people. He should thank the American citizenry for their tremendous generosity toward Cubans over the decades, but state that the time has come to end the ‘dry foot’ privilege of Cubans before another Mariel-like flash mob of Cubans descends upon America.”

    I disagree. I think he should come out in favor of Fidel Castro.

    He should say that while it’s true that Castro’s communism was a bad idea, Castro was a great man for standing up for Cuban nationalism, sovereignty, and independence than Cuba being used as a whore by proto-globalists of GODFATHER II. He should say the Cuban Revolution would never have happened if US treated Cuba like a real nation than some sleazy Casino or Hotel.

    And realizing this, he wants to be the Castro of the US. America for Americans. But without the communism.

    But he won’t go this path because he is controlled by Hyman Roths of the world.

    He is Johnny Ola.

    US has turned into a giant Bastista-era Cuba. It is ruled by the likes of Adelson and worse. And politicians are messenger boys and girls of globalist sharks’.

    US needs its Fidel Castro but without the communism. A true nationalist.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    >>I disagree. I think he should come out in favor of Fidel Castro.

    He should say that while it’s true that Castro’s communism was a bad idea, Castro was a great man for standing up for Cuban nationalism, sovereignty, and independence than Cuba being used as a whore by proto-globalists of GODFATHER II. He should say the Cuban Revolution would never have happened if US treated Cuba like a real nation than some sleazy Casino or Hotel.<<<

    So you learn your history from the movies. You are nuts, and factually wrong on so many points that it isn't worth the breath to challenge you.

    The Castro family are evil pieces of sh*t and the sooner they are gone the better. When the counter-revolution comes - and it will come, hard and fierce - the entire Castro family (sons, daughters, sons-in-law, etc....) will be lucky to escape Cuba with their lives.
  108. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    I see where a professor Helmut Norporth has predicted that Trump has a 97% chance of winning the general over Hillary – he’s saying 54.7 to 45.3% popular vote. He claims his statistical model has “correctly predicted the results of every election in the last 104 years”.

    There will be a lot more bewailing and gnashing of teeth to come from the left. I’ve got my popcorn ready and look forward to washing it down with their endless tears of anguish and befuddlement.

  109. He could come out. He’d get at least a third of the Republicans to vote for him just to demonstrate they’re not homophobic.

  110. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump has been claiming and getting credit for any anti-immigration positions the other candidates have been taking.

    At this point, it’s not clear such a move by Rubio would do him any good. It would expose him to relentless attacks by Trump, who would take credit for the move to anti-immigration and would hammer him for being a flip-flopper.

  111. Steve’s idea won’t work, Cruz has more or less tried it.

    The only way Marco can win is to Up Trump:

    Pledge to remove the Emma Lazarus poem off the Statue of Liberty where it has been desecrating it since 1903, and return the Statute to its pristine, authentic, 1886, glory!

    Think: A Nation of Liberty, not a Nation of dial “1” for English, “2” for Spanish, “3” for. . .

  112. Of course, Bubba really got the ball rolling on the decline of decorum in American politics. I don’t recall any of the others being caught getting neck in the Oval Office from an intern.

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    You forgot the adjectives: I suggest “vitriolic,” “odious,” “noxious,” or perhaps, “virulent.”

    The Hate Behind Donald Trump’s Success

    By Sasha Abramsky

    With a name like Abramsky, she should probably have recused herself. Far too much temptation to lie on this subject. I wonder how many pieces miz Abramsky has done on this subject:

    Israel “jewish mob”

    I would like it more if Trump promised to send Rubio back to Cuba and make Rubio pay for his flight.

    Funniest thing I’ve read on this blog in a long time.

    Your “former” group includes a certain Friedrich Trump, who went to America to make money, then went back to his native Germany to marry one of his neighbors, and eventually made it back to America only because he was kicked out of his birth country.

    And Hussein’s sperm-donor was an alcoholic black power communist bigamist (I could probably go on) who ran out on his technically-not-a-bastard son. So, two terms for Trump, then?

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
    Uh....Sasha Abramsky is a man.

    Do some research next, ok little guy?
    , @Immigrant from former USSR
     Sasha Abramsky is apparently, male.
    Sasha Abramsky, who writes regularly for The Nation, is the author of several books, including Inside Obama’s Brain, Breadline USA, American Furies and The American Way of Poverty: How the Other Half Still Lives. His latest book, The House of 20,000 Books, was published by New York Review Books in September.
  113. @Tiny Duck
    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry

    http://www.thenation.com/article/the-hate-behind-donald-trumps-success/

    ¡Pequeño pato! Shame on you! Los Asperger-Amigos of the iSteve-o- sphere aren’t hip to trolling. They’re muy racionalitos, none of the jokeings for them. ¡Ay caramba!

  114. @Tiny Duck
    white slavery would be just seeing as how we enslaved the rest of the Free Peoples of the world

    You do realize approximately 3 million Europeans were enslaved by various muslim entities?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    That has nothing to do with what he said
  115. iSteveFan says:
    @Numinous
    I agree about the safety net/welfare part, but I'm a libertarian who would prefer to cut down welfare services while not quite closing down the borders, especially along ethnic lines (i.e., I am with Milton Friedman.)

    I don't think your point about earlier immigrants being forced to learn English is accurate. All my reading indicates that German was commonly spoken in the US until WWI (when it stopped for obvious reasons.) Also, all first generation immigrants spoke English as a second language, their children were fully bilingual, and only their grandchildren were primarily or exclusively English speakers. That pattern holds among immigrants today as well; if anything, the children themselves are more likely (almost certainly for mixed parentage kids) to become exclusive English speakers, accelerating the Americanization process.

    I'm not saying immigrants shouldn't be encouraged to assimilate or ask to feel loyal to the country that took them in, but that requiring the repudiation of their ancestry as a litmus test for loyalty is quite unreasonable. For people to think that others like them would be undesirable intruders while they themselves were let in as a favor requires schizophrenic thinking.

    What about the point of whites legislating an end, or at least a severe curtailing of further white immigration in 1924? Would non-European immigrants and their descendants legislate for curtailing immigration of their co-ethnics today? Given that America’s population is 320 million, third highest in the world, why wouldn’t or shouldn’t they agree to such a reduction?

    but that requiring the repudiation of their ancestry as a litmus test for loyalty is quite unreasonable.

    But that was what was required of European immigrants of the past. You suggested that we are asking more from today’s immigrants than of yesteryear’s. But I don’t see it that way. And if you are not going to make them pledge loyalty to the USA and disavow loyalty to any foreign state, then you are the one who wants to treat them differently, not us.

  116. @Numinous
    You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    >>You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    But in the past there had never been a presumption of enduring transcendent ethnic solidarity with white ethnics as exists today with Cubans and other Latins. Additionally, the sheer volume of Latin immigrants makes today’s circumstances different. And if you don’t think that these circumstances are the case, you are blind to the reality.

    Furthermore, a smart Jewish politician who would like to get elected president should apply a similar tack to the Jewish community. A Jew that wants to gain the trust of the goyim would first have to attack the presumption of Jewish victimhood, resentment and privilege. Such a man has a chance of being elected, but there is no Jewish politician on the horizon who has such a vision. Ron Unz would be the man, but he is not a politician. Bernie’s heart is in the right place but he is too caught up with fending off Hilary ankle biters to think strategically.

  117. @Joeyjoejoe
    Independent of what Rubio could do, has done, how he's doing in the race: it is bizarre that he's even in the race. He looks like a teenager, has no real experience in anything, is utterly lacking in gravitas. Frankly Cruz is about the same.

    Hillary is loathe some, sanders is a buffoon and 74 years old, Cruz and Rubio are little kids, and trump, in spite of the fact that he's the best of the lot, is, in objective terms, a preposterous candidate for president. Are there no 'wise men' in either party?

    Obama of course broke the mold of 'experienced, wise guy runs for president' (though, truth be told bush 2 helped that along), but the entire process seems just broken now.

    Joeyjoejoe

    He looks like a teenager

    A teenager with thinning hair.

  118. Cubans would go absolutely nuts. There is no other ethnic group as full of shit about their own character as Cubans. I lived in Miami 10 years over three decades- 70’s through the 90’s, and visit often

    NOTHING is EVER the fault of a Cuban. They’ve learned very well how to be white when it helps them, and Hispanic when it gives them an edge. If you speak Spanish and listen to their media, they’re very open about this- they know very few Anglos speak Spanish or listen to their media. They actually believe they built Miami from nothing.

    ALL OTHER Hispanics basically despise them, by the way.

    Essentially, a Cuban is a half-breed Indian who lives in Miami and thinks he’s an Italian living on the Riviera.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Of the many Cubans who are not white Europeans, they are listed in the Cuban census as "mulatto" or "mestizo" with the non-white part typically being AFRICAN, not Native "Indian."

    Surprised to see that census listing more than sixty percent of Cuba's people as "white", which I doubt. But then I'm certainly no expert on Cuba.
  119. @Anon
    "First, Rubio should make a major speech calling for the immediate end of all the immigration privileges enjoyed by his own Cuban people. He should thank the American citizenry for their tremendous generosity toward Cubans over the decades, but state that the time has come to end the 'dry foot' privilege of Cubans before another Mariel-like flash mob of Cubans descends upon America."

    I disagree. I think he should come out in favor of Fidel Castro.

    He should say that while it's true that Castro's communism was a bad idea, Castro was a great man for standing up for Cuban nationalism, sovereignty, and independence than Cuba being used as a whore by proto-globalists of GODFATHER II. He should say the Cuban Revolution would never have happened if US treated Cuba like a real nation than some sleazy Casino or Hotel.

    And realizing this, he wants to be the Castro of the US. America for Americans. But without the communism.

    But he won't go this path because he is controlled by Hyman Roths of the world.

    He is Johnny Ola.

    US has turned into a giant Bastista-era Cuba. It is ruled by the likes of Adelson and worse. And politicians are messenger boys and girls of globalist sharks'.

    US needs its Fidel Castro but without the communism. A true nationalist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOspzgY-Tg0

    >>I disagree. I think he should come out in favor of Fidel Castro.

    He should say that while it’s true that Castro’s communism was a bad idea, Castro was a great man for standing up for Cuban nationalism, sovereignty, and independence than Cuba being used as a whore by proto-globalists of GODFATHER II. He should say the Cuban Revolution would never have happened if US treated Cuba like a real nation than some sleazy Casino or Hotel.<<<

    So you learn your history from the movies. You are nuts, and factually wrong on so many points that it isn't worth the breath to challenge you.

    The Castro family are evil pieces of sh*t and the sooner they are gone the better. When the counter-revolution comes – and it will come, hard and fierce – the entire Castro family (sons, daughters, sons-in-law, etc….) will be lucky to escape Cuba with their lives.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "So you learn your history from the movies."

    There's more truth about power and politics in GODFATHER than in the news media that have been telling us about 'moderate rebels' in Syria forever.

    It's the hidden power that counts most.

    And Cuba under Batista was whore of US.

    And now US is whore of globalist elites who don't give a crap about the people.

    Castro did turn out to be megalo shi*, I agree. Also, communism sucks. We all know that.
    But there were genuine nationalist passion in the Cuban Revolution.

    And we need that in America. We need an elite that feel the gravitational pull of the people. Instead, the world is ruled by Elysiumism where elites float around without gravitational pull to any nation or locale.

    And it's like this even WITHIN the US. Each politician is supposed to serve his own community, but once they enter the Beltway, they just wanna be part of that club forever and ignore their own community.

    The only exception are Jews who do feel a gravitational pull of history and race.
    Whites need to be like that.
  120. @Svigor
    Of course, Bubba really got the ball rolling on the decline of decorum in American politics. I don't recall any of the others being caught getting neck in the Oval Office from an intern.

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry
     
    You forgot the adjectives: I suggest "vitriolic," "odious," "noxious," or perhaps, "virulent."

    The Hate Behind Donald Trump’s Success
     

    By Sasha Abramsky
     
    With a name like Abramsky, she should probably have recused herself. Far too much temptation to lie on this subject. I wonder how many pieces miz Abramsky has done on this subject:

    Israel "jewish mob"

    I would like it more if Trump promised to send Rubio back to Cuba and make Rubio pay for his flight.
     
    Funniest thing I've read on this blog in a long time.

    Your “former” group includes a certain Friedrich Trump, who went to America to make money, then went back to his native Germany to marry one of his neighbors, and eventually made it back to America only because he was kicked out of his birth country.
     
    And Hussein's sperm-donor was an alcoholic black power communist bigamist (I could probably go on) who ran out on his technically-not-a-bastard son. So, two terms for Trump, then?

    Uh….Sasha Abramsky is a man.

    Do some research next, ok little guy?

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    To be fair Sasha has a bulging BLM harridan hairstyle so, from a small photo, an easy mistake to make.

    Also the fragrant Sasha writes copy that might as well be produced by a computer - and perhaps soon will be - and computers are normally feminine when given a gender.

    And anyone who are you to go around assigning genders to people on whim?
  121. Rubio’s amnesty blunder (not to mention Obama’s entire presidency) is a good example of why you usually want a president who’s had a few more years of experience. You want a guy who’s been around long enough to have figured out that a lot of his so-called “friends” are just lying to his face, so sometimes it’s better to just trust his own instincts.

  122. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H
    >>I disagree. I think he should come out in favor of Fidel Castro.

    He should say that while it’s true that Castro’s communism was a bad idea, Castro was a great man for standing up for Cuban nationalism, sovereignty, and independence than Cuba being used as a whore by proto-globalists of GODFATHER II. He should say the Cuban Revolution would never have happened if US treated Cuba like a real nation than some sleazy Casino or Hotel.<<<

    So you learn your history from the movies. You are nuts, and factually wrong on so many points that it isn't worth the breath to challenge you.

    The Castro family are evil pieces of sh*t and the sooner they are gone the better. When the counter-revolution comes - and it will come, hard and fierce - the entire Castro family (sons, daughters, sons-in-law, etc....) will be lucky to escape Cuba with their lives.

    “So you learn your history from the movies.”

    There’s more truth about power and politics in GODFATHER than in the news media that have been telling us about ‘moderate rebels’ in Syria forever.

    It’s the hidden power that counts most.

    And Cuba under Batista was whore of US.

    And now US is whore of globalist elites who don’t give a crap about the people.

    Castro did turn out to be megalo shi*, I agree. Also, communism sucks. We all know that.
    But there were genuine nationalist passion in the Cuban Revolution.

    And we need that in America. We need an elite that feel the gravitational pull of the people. Instead, the world is ruled by Elysiumism where elites float around without gravitational pull to any nation or locale.

    And it’s like this even WITHIN the US. Each politician is supposed to serve his own community, but once they enter the Beltway, they just wanna be part of that club forever and ignore their own community.

    The only exception are Jews who do feel a gravitational pull of history and race.
    Whites need to be like that.

  123. @Svigor
    Of course, Bubba really got the ball rolling on the decline of decorum in American politics. I don't recall any of the others being caught getting neck in the Oval Office from an intern.

    A vote for Trump is a vote for hate, cowardice and bigotry
     
    You forgot the adjectives: I suggest "vitriolic," "odious," "noxious," or perhaps, "virulent."

    The Hate Behind Donald Trump’s Success
     

    By Sasha Abramsky
     
    With a name like Abramsky, she should probably have recused herself. Far too much temptation to lie on this subject. I wonder how many pieces miz Abramsky has done on this subject:

    Israel "jewish mob"

    I would like it more if Trump promised to send Rubio back to Cuba and make Rubio pay for his flight.
     
    Funniest thing I've read on this blog in a long time.

    Your “former” group includes a certain Friedrich Trump, who went to America to make money, then went back to his native Germany to marry one of his neighbors, and eventually made it back to America only because he was kicked out of his birth country.
     
    And Hussein's sperm-donor was an alcoholic black power communist bigamist (I could probably go on) who ran out on his technically-not-a-bastard son. So, two terms for Trump, then?

     Sasha Abramsky is apparently, male.
    Sasha Abramsky, who writes regularly for The Nation, is the author of several books, including Inside Obama’s Brain, Breadline USA, American Furies and The American Way of Poverty: How the Other Half Still Lives. His latest book, The House of 20,000 Books, was published by New York Review Books in September.

  124. @Tiny Duck
    white slavery would be just seeing as how we enslaved the rest of the Free Peoples of the world

    Are you saying that a vote for anybody but Trump is a vote for white slavery? For instance, that a vote for Hillary is a vote for white slavery?

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    Nice catch. I wouldn't be surprised if a not too insignificant portion of the anti-Trump contingent actually believes in this. Just another reason to not cast your lot with them if you are of European extraction. I only wish more of them would explicitly state this to persuade more people what's in store for them if they don't wake up.
  125. @Jahangir
    If immigrants who throw in their lot with their adoptive nation appear so rare, it's probably mostly a consequence of the fact that Hispanics make up such a large percentage of the immigrant population in the US. I've encountered a surprising number of Trump supporters among Eastern European immigrants, for instance. Okay, okay, I guess that's not actually surprising. Asian immigrants are pretty good about assimilation, too!

    With the Mexicans it all feels quite different though. It's honestly like Mexico has basically over a sizeable portion of the United States and is now trying to hijack its government. Weird stuff. Can we not be run by agents of foreign polities anymore, please?

    Asian immigrants are pretty good about assimilation, too!

    It really depends on where these Asians end up. Most major metropolitan areas in the US have Chinatown, Japantown, Koreatown, etc. There are individual churches that identify by ethnicity. In my hometown, there are Korean Baptist/Methodist (I don’t remember which it is) churches. The Hmong in Michigan have not assimilated at all, as evidenced in ¡Adios America!

  126. @The most deplorable one
    It seems that Tiny D*ck gets around.

    It has been seen at other sites.

    He’s probably getting paid by the screed. Too dumb to work at home for Google making $87 an hour like his sister.

  127. @This Is Our Home

    Your idealism is getting in the way of human nature, Steve. That’s the problem with citizenism, it’s goes against human nature, & historically there are no examples of where it worked in diverse societies. & look at it from a game theory perspective, if there is a “free rider group” in society, which there inevitably will be, then it’s a zero-sum game scenario where some groups get steamrolled.
     
    There are loads of examples where this has worked. It is just that no-one ever tries it in the modern-day West.

    I have been saying this stuff for some time. The keywords are 'loyalty' and 'gratitude' and suddenly immigration restriction has the absolute moral high-ground among immigrant communities, which it should.

    French Jewish intellectuals like Finkielkraut have had this whole shtick down for some time. It is working, it is true and it is beautiful. It is also more inclusive, less divisive and more progressive than the most progressive line there is on immigration. It assumes the sale too. I mean what Mexican who has arrived in America does not appreciate the wonderfulness of the club that they have been let into to and does not feel loyal and protective of it? That is what any good person would feel and do and Mexicans are good people. Indeed any Mexican-American who does not want to shut the border to protect what they have been given should have social opproprium heaped upon them for their ethno-centric selfishness and their gross disloyalty and ingratitude.

    Trump can do this. He can be the most inclusive candidate that America has had in a century. He can campaign to look out for the American people first and love all Americans.

    You must know and live among much different Mexican-“Americans” than we do. Your naivete about Mexicans and their supposed loyalty to America is absurd.

  128. @Numinous
    I agree about the safety net/welfare part, but I'm a libertarian who would prefer to cut down welfare services while not quite closing down the borders, especially along ethnic lines (i.e., I am with Milton Friedman.)

    I don't think your point about earlier immigrants being forced to learn English is accurate. All my reading indicates that German was commonly spoken in the US until WWI (when it stopped for obvious reasons.) Also, all first generation immigrants spoke English as a second language, their children were fully bilingual, and only their grandchildren were primarily or exclusively English speakers. That pattern holds among immigrants today as well; if anything, the children themselves are more likely (almost certainly for mixed parentage kids) to become exclusive English speakers, accelerating the Americanization process.

    I'm not saying immigrants shouldn't be encouraged to assimilate or ask to feel loyal to the country that took them in, but that requiring the repudiation of their ancestry as a litmus test for loyalty is quite unreasonable. For people to think that others like them would be undesirable intruders while they themselves were let in as a favor requires schizophrenic thinking.

    I agree about the safety net/welfare part, but I’m a libertarian who would prefer to cut down welfare services while not quite closing down the borders, especially along ethnic lines (i.e., I am with Milton Friedman.)

    As a libertarian I assume that you would object to the following two scenarios.

    1.) At the annual meeting of your mutual fund, you and a few other libertarian activists, agitate for the board to not be see restrictive in terms of excluding people from being fund members and urge the fund manager to take random walks through the city and hand out shares to people on the street so that they too can participate in the fund alongside the fund members who’ve bought shares.

    2.) There needs to be legal reform so that when people die and their estates are being passed onto their children, that random people walking by the probate court can stop in and sit in the proceeding and expect to be cut if for an equal share of the estate.

  129. @Reg Cæsar
    From their ad for This Immigrant Nation, a book of essays from The Nation:

    American immigration has been debated in the pages of The Nation almost since its founding in 1865. The magazine has generally come down on the inclusive or “liberal” side of the great debate, but the editors were not immune from the prejudices of their times—an 1891 editorial called for the exclusion of “lunatics, paupers and cripples.”
     
    So you and The Nation now support the importation of lunatics, paupers, and cripples?

    Sounds like a perceptive description of their editorial board.

    Reg Cæsar said, “So you and The Nation now support the importation of lunatics, paupers, and cripples?”

    I think this should be “So you and The Nation now support the importation of lunatics, mental paupers, and emotional cripples?”

  130. @Tiny Duck
    white slavery would be just seeing as how we enslaved the rest of the Free Peoples of the world

    Conveniently leaving out this fact: typically on the other end of every “sale” of an African person into U.S. slavery, was a seller who was himself African, Muslim, or both.

    By your logic, would it then be just to enslave Africans and Muslims? Grow up.

  131. @Diversity Heretic
    Large portions of the southwestern United States were once Mexico--no portion of the United States was ever eastern European. That's not the whole answer, but don't overlook irredentism as a factor.

    Large portions of the southwestern United States were once Mexico–no portion of the United States was ever eastern European. That’s not the whole answer, but don’t overlook irredentism as a factor.

    Mexico only owned these territories for 20-30 years before the US annexed them all. It’s not as if Mexico had a long-running, established system north of the Rio Grandeʼ. And for what it’s worth, Russia had settlements in California and owned Alaska for longer than Mexico owned any of its northern territories.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    Your point is mostly technical. Those territories were a part of Nex Spain before Mexico became independent. And the annexation by the United States occurred mostly as a result of: (1) Texas independence engineered by American settlers who arrived initially as invitees of the Mexican government; and (2) a war that President James Knox Polk provoked because Mexico did not want to sell California to the U.S. and feared (justifiably) the extension of slavery into the new territories.

    Russia didn't pay much attention to Alaska in the first place--it's a long way from St. Petersburgh and Moscow-and the U.S. purchased it (Seward's Folly) from Russia. The thought of Russian irredentism into Alaska is the stuff of Monty Python sketches, but Mexican irredentism is all too real.
  132. @Charlesz Martel
    Cubans would go absolutely nuts. There is no other ethnic group as full of shit about their own character as Cubans. I lived in Miami 10 years over three decades- 70's through the 90's, and visit often

    NOTHING is EVER the fault of a Cuban. They've learned very well how to be white when it helps them, and Hispanic when it gives them an edge. If you speak Spanish and listen to their media, they're very open about this- they know very few Anglos speak Spanish or listen to their media. They actually believe they built Miami from nothing.

    ALL OTHER Hispanics basically despise them, by the way.

    Essentially, a Cuban is a half-breed Indian who lives in Miami and thinks he's an Italian living on the Riviera.

    Of the many Cubans who are not white Europeans, they are listed in the Cuban census as “mulatto” or “mestizo” with the non-white part typically being AFRICAN, not Native “Indian.”

    Surprised to see that census listing more than sixty percent of Cuba’s people as “white”, which I doubt. But then I’m certainly no expert on Cuba.

    • Replies: @Charlesz Martel
    The earliest Cuban immigrants were majorly white- each wave of immigrants since were darker and darker.

    During the Mariel boatlift, there were articles about this in the Miami press.

    I visited Cuba a couple years ago. The darker/Indian blood and African admixture is apparent. The whiter elite essentially got out when they could, although there are still many around.
    , @AndrewR
    Outside the US the definition of "white" tends to be broader
  133. @Tiny Duck
    You guys laugh now.

    Trump will more than likely not win the nomination.

    He will certainly not win the presidency.

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field. I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field.

    Surely you mean leveled playing field.

  134. @German_reader
    So what, this was a 100 years ago. And there was pretty severe assimilation pressure on German-Americans during WW1 (that's why there's no German-American lobby today, which is somewhat unfortunate for Germany)...nothing like that today.
    OT: The German government now estimates that 3,5 mio "refugees" will come until 2020 (I think that means the million who came last year plus another 2,5 mio). It will be like Lebanon soon enough.

    Friedrich Trump showed up in 1885 (if I remember correctly) in the Alaska Territory during the gold rush. He wasn’t exactly mooching off an established system or anything.

  135. @SFG
    I'm a first-generation American (I was born here, my parents were not).

    I don't see why my ancestry means I have to favor unlimited immigration into my country under all circumstances. Is it more important to be intellectually honest, or to do what's best for the country? There are worse crimes than hypocrisy.

    It is not even hypocrisy though. When I am invited around someone’s house for dinner or to stay I don’t bring a plus 100 or even a plus 1 if they don’t want it. And I certainly would not harangue them into leaving the door unlocked.

    Gratitude is owed to those who did you the good deed. That is real. It is not owed through some weird abstract process to people who might end up in a similar position to you.

    All recent immigrants owe a huge debt to the country that has let them in. It takes a lot to build a country. Free riding immigrants owe nothing to the people they emigrated or ran away from and everything to the historic core majority.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Fair enough. You've given me another way to talk about it, though. Thanks.
  136. @Tiny Duck
    You guys laugh now.

    Trump will more than likely not win the nomination.

    He will certainly not win the presidency.

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field. I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did

    sp–It’s “Dick” not “Duck.”

  137. Dubious should act like a patriot. That is all it would be is an act .We don’t.need anymore actors in Washington.

  138. @Tiny Duck
    You guys laugh now.

    Trump will more than likely not win the nomination.

    He will certainly not win the presidency.

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field. I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did

    Yes yes yes, but to paraphrase my neighbor El Rushbo, who will make me tie half my brain behind my back to make it fair?

  139. @Wilkey
    "Rubio...isn’t stupid, so he has backed off his support of the Gang of Eight bill, unlike Jeb Bush. Also unlike Jeb, Rubio is still in the race. But, Rubio is having a hard time getting Republican voters to trust him on immigration."

    Unfortunately - or, should I say, fortunately? - no one would believe him at this point. He ran for Senate claiming to oppose amnesty. Within 2 years he betrayed his voters. He advocated vigorously for one of the worst immigration bills to ever pass the Senate, and he has only backed off that position tepidly and grudgingly.

    "Well maybe if I walk it back half an inch they'll accept that? Not enough. Well maybe half an inch more? No? Well damn."

    He clearly doesn't want to let go of his support for amnesty. Whatever ground he gives, he's trying to leave himself room to still back some form of amnesty or non-enforcement if he wins. Up until a week ago he was still saying he'd honor DACA, Obama's illegal executive amnesty. If he had completely reversed himself from the beginning and realized that Republicans will accept nothing less than a president willing to fully enforce our immigration laws then he might have stood a chance. We might have been dumb enough to believe him again.

    At this point he's toast. Ted Cruz will stay in for as long as he can because he knows Rubio is toast and because he knows that if Trump somehow implodes Trump's supporters are more likely to flee to him than to Rubio.

    “Cruz will stay in for as long as he can because he knows Rubio is toast and because he knows that if Trump somehow implodes Trump’s supporters are more likely to flee to him than to Rubio.”

    And he’s pealing more votes away from Trump than Rubio is. That gives him leverage towards that VP, if Trump sees that he needs the delegates. We’ll all know shortly.

  140. @RadicalCenter
    Of the many Cubans who are not white Europeans, they are listed in the Cuban census as "mulatto" or "mestizo" with the non-white part typically being AFRICAN, not Native "Indian."

    Surprised to see that census listing more than sixty percent of Cuba's people as "white", which I doubt. But then I'm certainly no expert on Cuba.

    The earliest Cuban immigrants were majorly white- each wave of immigrants since were darker and darker.

    During the Mariel boatlift, there were articles about this in the Miami press.

    I visited Cuba a couple years ago. The darker/Indian blood and African admixture is apparent. The whiter elite essentially got out when they could, although there are still many around.

  141. @OFWHAP
    Large portions of the southwestern United States were once Mexico–no portion of the United States was ever eastern European. That’s not the whole answer, but don’t overlook irredentism as a factor.

    Mexico only owned these territories for 20-30 years before the US annexed them all. It's not as if Mexico had a long-running, established system north of the Rio Grandeʼ. And for what it's worth, Russia had settlements in California and owned Alaska for longer than Mexico owned any of its northern territories.

    Your point is mostly technical. Those territories were a part of Nex Spain before Mexico became independent. And the annexation by the United States occurred mostly as a result of: (1) Texas independence engineered by American settlers who arrived initially as invitees of the Mexican government; and (2) a war that President James Knox Polk provoked because Mexico did not want to sell California to the U.S. and feared (justifiably) the extension of slavery into the new territories.

    Russia didn’t pay much attention to Alaska in the first place–it’s a long way from St. Petersburgh and Moscow-and the U.S. purchased it (Seward’s Folly) from Russia. The thought of Russian irredentism into Alaska is the stuff of Monty Python sketches, but Mexican irredentism is all too real.

  142. You guys laugh now.

    Trump will more than likely not win the nomination.

    He will certainly not win the presidency.

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field. I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did

    Hi troll with a thousand names. You say the same shit over and over, you know that, right?

    China, Japan, India, Israel… the “privilege” you speak of is still going strong in these places (among others). So “white” doesn’t really describe it. It’s “human privilege,” which has been stripped only from whites.

    And there is no “we,” unless you have a mouse in your pocket. Trying to give away what isn’t yours is theft.

  143. iSteveFan says:
    @MEH 0910
    Are you saying that a vote for anybody but Trump is a vote for white slavery? For instance, that a vote for Hillary is a vote for white slavery?

    Nice catch. I wouldn’t be surprised if a not too insignificant portion of the anti-Trump contingent actually believes in this. Just another reason to not cast your lot with them if you are of European extraction. I only wish more of them would explicitly state this to persuade more people what’s in store for them if they don’t wake up.

  144. Conveniently leaving out this fact: typically on the other end of every “sale” of an African person into U.S. slavery, was a seller who was himself African, Muslim, or both.

    By your logic, would it then be just to enslave Africans and Muslims? Grow up.

    Please, logic? It’s pure trollery. Like it’s our fault what our ancestors did 200 years ago, or modern African blacks’ fault that their ancestors’ main trade was enslaving and selling their fellow blacks, or modern Jews’ fault for slaughtering Amalek & co. back in the day (though continuing to celebrate the slaughters for 2,000 years up to the present day does seem a bit much).

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    Like it’s our fault what our ancestors did 200 years ago

     

    Really, you hava a Southern plantation-owner in your family tree? Like Obama has?

    Obama ancestors owned slaves, a researcher finds

    Can anyone get ancestral credit for Christian Europe abolishing slavery in the Dark Ages? Thats why we had to buy black slaves in the first place, because we couldn't just get slaves from our own people. What about the descendants of Cortez? He liberated the Aztecs' slaves from a fate of ritual sacrifice and cannibalism.

  145. @Numinous
    You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that.

    Per…

    >>You are asking from Rubio and other present (or just slightly past) generation immigrants what was never asked of previous generations of white immigrants, including your own ancestors. Reflect on that

    Look, I know this is only an n=1 anecdote, but that is what my own father did. Precisely. Consciously. I don’t know Latvian because he thought it would be inappropriate for him to teach it to me.

  146. @iSteveFan
    Is his name Tiny Duck or Tiny Dick?

    I think Trolling Duck is more like it…posting a single inflammatory statement with a link to the Nation below it on a quasi-alt-right site? The guy’s gotta know what he’s doing.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @Harry Baldwin

    A teenager with thinning hair.
     
    And enormous ears. You can't un-see them once you've noticed them.

    @SFG: Trolling Duck is probably on someone's campaign payroll. They pay people to comment on social media. I assume a lot of the pearl clutchers around here clucking about Trump's "boorishness" and NY manners are part of the paid contingent, too.

  147. I think Trolling Duck is more like it…

    Really?

  148. Tiny Duck, all that I’ve got to say is that you look like an idiot when your points are refuted and you subsequently choose to change the topic rather than respond to the criticism.

    Over the years I’ve noticed that a lot of “liberals” take this same kind of approach. Do you think you’re convincing anybody of anything with this kind of approach?

  149. @RadicalCenter
    Of the many Cubans who are not white Europeans, they are listed in the Cuban census as "mulatto" or "mestizo" with the non-white part typically being AFRICAN, not Native "Indian."

    Surprised to see that census listing more than sixty percent of Cuba's people as "white", which I doubt. But then I'm certainly no expert on Cuba.

    Outside the US the definition of “white” tends to be broader

  150. @iSteveFan
    You do realize approximately 3 million Europeans were enslaved by various muslim entities?

    That has nothing to do with what he said

  151. @SFG
    I think Trolling Duck is more like it...posting a single inflammatory statement with a link to the Nation below it on a quasi-alt-right site? The guy's gotta know what he's doing.

    A teenager with thinning hair.

    And enormous ears. You can’t un-see them once you’ve noticed them.

    : Trolling Duck is probably on someone’s campaign payroll. They pay people to comment on social media. I assume a lot of the pearl clutchers around here clucking about Trump’s “boorishness” and NY manners are part of the paid contingent, too.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Could be. Most of the dissenting commenters on Unz appear to have intellectually consistent points of view or at least consistent biases, though, leading to me to believe they're actual human beings with a particular point of view rather than simply plants. You don't actually have to agree with everything Steve says to find him stimulating reading--we know lots of MSM people read him and pretend they don't.

    Trump's boorishness might hurt him in the general election. Still, he does look more authentic than Hillary (which is sort of like being taller than an electron, but hey). He's done a lot of sleazy stuff, but then he's running against Hillary, who matches him for this. So, who knows?

  152. Dear Steve-thanks for calling for an end to privileged status for Cubans. I lived in Miami for 11 years. They come to the States mostly for economic reasons and too many will be only too glad to shaft an American and even ridicule him in front of other foreigners. Their widespread unwillingness to learn English is an indictment against them as is their ever present Cuban flag.
    I now live in Peru and saw the recent Vicente Fox-Jorge Ramos interview. Why Marco Rubio wont embrace the legitimate Hispanics (those who abide by the immigration rules and wait on line for years to get in to our country) shows stupidity and lack of character born of many years living the special Cuban status mentality that is easily applicable to all needy immigrants. Why Trump got 45% of the Hispanic vote is worth studying. I did a little video about this. Watch here and comment.
    I have already been accused of being a racist. The left never tires of cheap rhetorical responses when their arguments are nil.

    • Replies: @Charlesz Martel
    Hear,hear!!
  153. Dear Steve-thanks for calling for an end to privileged status for Cubans. I lived in Miami for 11 years. They come to the States mostly for economic reasons and too many will be only too glad to shaft an American and even ridicule him in front of other foreigners. Their widespread unwillingness to learn English is an indictment against them as is their ever present Cuban flag.
    I now live in Peru and saw the recent Vicente Fox-Jorge Ramos interview. Why Marco Rubio wont embrace the legitimate Hispanics (those who abide by the immigration rules and wait on line for years to get in to our country where things are functional unlike their home nations) shows a lack of character born of many years living the special Cuban status mentality that is easily applicable to all needy immigrants. Why Trump got 45% of the Hispanic vote is worth studying. I did a little video about this. Watch here and comment.
    I have already been accused of being a racist. The left never tires of cheap rhetorical responses when their arguments are nil.

  154. @This Is Our Home
    It is not even hypocrisy though. When I am invited around someone's house for dinner or to stay I don't bring a plus 100 or even a plus 1 if they don't want it. And I certainly would not harangue them into leaving the door unlocked.

    Gratitude is owed to those who did you the good deed. That is real. It is not owed through some weird abstract process to people who might end up in a similar position to you.

    All recent immigrants owe a huge debt to the country that has let them in. It takes a lot to build a country. Free riding immigrants owe nothing to the people they emigrated or ran away from and everything to the historic core majority.

    Fair enough. You’ve given me another way to talk about it, though. Thanks.

  155. @AnonAnon
    @Harry Baldwin

    A teenager with thinning hair.
     
    And enormous ears. You can't un-see them once you've noticed them.

    @SFG: Trolling Duck is probably on someone's campaign payroll. They pay people to comment on social media. I assume a lot of the pearl clutchers around here clucking about Trump's "boorishness" and NY manners are part of the paid contingent, too.

    Could be. Most of the dissenting commenters on Unz appear to have intellectually consistent points of view or at least consistent biases, though, leading to me to believe they’re actual human beings with a particular point of view rather than simply plants. You don’t actually have to agree with everything Steve says to find him stimulating reading–we know lots of MSM people read him and pretend they don’t.

    Trump’s boorishness might hurt him in the general election. Still, he does look more authentic than Hillary (which is sort of like being taller than an electron, but hey). He’s done a lot of sleazy stuff, but then he’s running against Hillary, who matches him for this. So, who knows?

  156. Steve, you lost me at “Rubio…is not stupid.”

    You’ve also really soft pedaled what was reported in Buzzfeed/The Wilderness. It’s about a lot more than worrying about the reaction to the Schumer immigration bill. Those who know Rubio best say he panics during moments of crisis real and imagined. Bedwetting should automatically disqualify him from the presidency.

  157. @TangoMan
    Along the same lines I've come to see two types of immigrants, those who view immigration as a way to help their fellow co-ethnics and those who immediately reject allegiance to their co-ethnics and transfer their allegiance to America. The former are in favor of more immigration, of comprehensive immigration reform and want America to accommodate them. The latter are thankful to America for admitting them, have America's back with respect to stopping immigration, reducing it, and deporting illegals. The former group work to keep their culture alive, socialize/ghettoize into ethnic enclaves. The latter try their darnedest to escape the ethnic enclaves, they name their kids with good old American names, some Americanize/Anglicanize their names in order to fit in better. The former often come here because they want to better their financial prospects. The latter come here because they want to be Americans, like the people they read about in the news, in novels, see in movies or on TV in their native land - they want to be JR Ewing.

    The former seem to constitute about 99% of immigrants. I've only known a few who are immigrants who have cast their lot with the people who invited them here and feel that their allegiance is owed towards those who want to keep America as America.

    Rubio has too deep a public record demonstrating that he's in the former group. His whole damn identity, right down to the Rainbow Picture where he stood with Scott & Haley, is that he's a Cuban-American, intent on helping Hispanics in America and he has no damn interest in preserving and championing the historical American white identity.

    In a who, whom contest, Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that's why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy. He wouldn't be credible and this would, rightly, be seen as another convenient flip-flop because his heart, and identity, simply isn't in it.

    Rubio is a political whore. This:

    Rubio is championing for people who want to minimize white identity and influence in America and that’s why he signed up to be the puppet for the Republican Hispanic Strategy

    is nothing more that what a prostitute does to get to the next level. If Rubio could get ahead by the opposite approach he would be happy to betray his former constituents and former masters.

    Imagine a candidate who desires to ensure the prospects, the benefits, the well-being of the citizens of the United States. Marco Rubio is antipodal opposite to that candidate.

    Let us hope that the Republican Primary voters tell Rubio to pound sand.

  158. @bill mcintosh
    Dear Steve-thanks for calling for an end to privileged status for Cubans. I lived in Miami for 11 years. They come to the States mostly for economic reasons and too many will be only too glad to shaft an American and even ridicule him in front of other foreigners. Their widespread unwillingness to learn English is an indictment against them as is their ever present Cuban flag.
    I now live in Peru and saw the recent Vicente Fox-Jorge Ramos interview. Why Marco Rubio wont embrace the legitimate Hispanics (those who abide by the immigration rules and wait on line for years to get in to our country) shows stupidity and lack of character born of many years living the special Cuban status mentality that is easily applicable to all needy immigrants. Why Trump got 45% of the Hispanic vote is worth studying. I did a little video about this. Watch here and comment.
    I have already been accused of being a racist. The left never tires of cheap rhetorical responses when their arguments are nil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SQt8HcWMGc

    Hear,hear!!

  159. @Tiny Duck
    Uh....Sasha Abramsky is a man.

    Do some research next, ok little guy?

    To be fair Sasha has a bulging BLM harridan hairstyle so, from a small photo, an easy mistake to make.

    Also the fragrant Sasha writes copy that might as well be produced by a computer – and perhaps soon will be – and computers are normally feminine when given a gender.

    And anyone who are you to go around assigning genders to people on whim?

  160. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Hey, Tiny D*ck. You might have more luck over at StormFront.

    You could tell them that Trump is Hitler and he will want real Nazis not the pussies at StormFront.

    They are sure not to vote for Trump then.

  161. @Svigor

    Conveniently leaving out this fact: typically on the other end of every “sale” of an African person into U.S. slavery, was a seller who was himself African, Muslim, or both.

    By your logic, would it then be just to enslave Africans and Muslims? Grow up.
     
    Please, logic? It's pure trollery. Like it's our fault what our ancestors did 200 years ago, or modern African blacks' fault that their ancestors' main trade was enslaving and selling their fellow blacks, or modern Jews' fault for slaughtering Amalek & co. back in the day (though continuing to celebrate the slaughters for 2,000 years up to the present day does seem a bit much).

    Like it’s our fault what our ancestors did 200 years ago

    Really, you hava a Southern plantation-owner in your family tree? Like Obama has?

    Obama ancestors owned slaves, a researcher finds

    Can anyone get ancestral credit for Christian Europe abolishing slavery in the Dark Ages? Thats why we had to buy black slaves in the first place, because we couldn’t just get slaves from our own people. What about the descendants of Cortez? He liberated the Aztecs’ slaves from a fate of ritual sacrifice and cannibalism.

  162. @Tiny Duck
    white slavery would be just seeing as how we enslaved the rest of the Free Peoples of the world

    Troll.
    Tiny Duck? Really?

  163. @Tiny Duck
    You guys laugh now.

    Trump will more than likely not win the nomination.

    He will certainly not win the presidency.

    The demographics are changing and white men will no longer be a privileged group. Soon you guys will have to play on a level playing field. I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did

    Re: “I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did.”

    Who is this “we” kemosabe?

  164. Really, you have a a Southern plantation-owner in your family tree? Like Obama has?

    I think it’s safe to say I have more than one slaveholder in my family tree, though I’ve never actually looked into the issue specifically. A few NFL jerseys have borne my rare surname, and I’m not talking O-line, QB, or tight end.

    But yes, a great many (if not most) American whites do not.

    Can anyone get ancestral credit for Christian Europe abolishing slavery in the Dark Ages?

    Not to mention banning it worldwide, including in Africa (lots of African nations only ended the practice because of western political and military pressure). No, it only works one way, like leftism; only the bad legacies count. Inventing 95% of the modern world doesn’t merit consideration.

    What do we call a person (or regime) that only talks about the bad in a given race? Seems there’s a word for this…

    “I know that is scary but the price must be paid for what we did.”

    Obviously this means only debits count, not credits; otherwise Tiny Dick & company could never afford the bill – not in a thousand years.

  165. “You should vote Republicans not because of what we promise you as Hispanics, but because of what we promise all Americans as Americans: to do what’s best not for any single ethnic group, but for the citizens of America as a whole.”

    I’m sorry, but isn’t this precisely Ted Cruz’s strategy at present? He hasn’t made very many direct appeals to the Hispanic community, nor has he gone on Univision and given tons of interviews in Spanish (that most voters are aware of) promising one thing in one language, and another thing in a second language.

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