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Hizzoner in Paris

With the Obama Administration upping its efforts to dump the hot potato of inner city poor people on the suburbs and small towns of America in the name of making hundreds of billions in real estate profits for well-connected insiders social justice, it’s worth recalling the surprisingly homely figure who did so much to promote the Paris System (rich white people in the center, poor brown people on the fringes) in America.

By, say, 1990, it was becoming evident that a huge difference between Paris and typical American big cities such as Chicago was that Paris cynically warehoused its nonwhite underclass in remote suburban banlieues so they wouldn’t pester and depress Paris’s white upper crust in its magnificent inner city.

In contrast, unworldly America had allowed the term “inner city” to become a synonym for poverty, public housing, welfare, and crime. For example, in Chicago vast, foreboding public housing complexes loomed in what would otherwise be prime real estate, such as Cabrini Green a mile inland from the Gold Coast and the Robert Taylor Homes on south State Street.

A key figure in bringing home the message “They do it better in Paris” was Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley during his long tenure from 1989-2011.

Daley the Younger couldn’t be dismissed as a conventional snob or social climber, so his long public love affair with Paris and his plans for making Chicago more like Paris garnered much attention among people who make money off urban real estate.

For example, here’s a 1999 article from the Philadelphia Inquirer:

A Midwestern ‘City Of Light’

Chicago’s Mayor Daley Is Not So Secretly In Love with Paris. And Signs Of That Are Springing Up All Over Town.

By Raad Cawthon, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
POSTED: December 19, 1999

CHICAGO — The joke is that every time Mayor Richard M. Daley goes to Paris, he returns with another idea to make Chicago more beautiful.

First, it was flowers, spilling from hundreds of metal baskets hanging from lampposts or crammed into huge planters in the medians of the city’s major streets. Along with the flowers came the trees – 135,000 planted in the last decade.

Then it was wrought iron – wrought-iron fencing erected by the mile, new bridges sporting wrought-iron trim and obelisks and sculptures, wrought-iron lampposts with fanciful curlicues.

Now, it’s lights. …

The seasonal lights eventually will go. What will continue is Daley’s campaign for the nightly illumination of as many downtown facades as possible – to create a Midwestern “City of Light.” …

Where Robert Taylor Homes used to be

The overall result is that Chicago – once noted for its smoky industry, sprawling stockyards, and rough-hewn character – now looks sleek and well-tended.

And the nation is noticing it and, to some extent, trying to emulate it.

“I haven’t been [to Chicago] in about two years, but everybody comes back raving about it,” said Paul Levy, executive director of the Central Philadelphia Development District. “Landscaping is where Chicago has a real advantage over everyone else.”

Daley has made the cityscape a priority for much of the ’90s, but it wasn’t until 1996, when the Democratic National Convention came to town, that his policies began to pay big dividends. Through the world’s television cameras, Chicago’s beautiful urban stage helped erase memories of the last convention to visit, the Democrats’ riot-scarred hatefest of 1968.

Since ’96, improved aesthetics have been credited with everything from increased downtown retail revenues to an influx of suburbanites moving back to the city.

“He has put design on the agenda,” Blair Kamin, architecture critic for the Chicago Tribune, said of the mayor. “He cares about it. He has three architects in his cabinet.” …

On numerous visits to Chicago, Rendell conferred with Daley and saw, firsthand, the impact of spending on beautification: With convention business up and tourism climbing, Chicago clearly was on an upswing.

Daley urged Rendell to follow his example and aggressively seek a political convention to showcase Philadelphia to the world. …

The critics noted that, while the city’s beautification halted at the United Center, Madison Street kept going, deep into an impoverished area of West Chicago.

Still, that redevelopment has helped stabilize gentrification that was already taking place along Madison and adjacent Randolph Streets. In fact, Randolph has emerged as the city’s latest “restaurant row,” while Madison bustles as a result of the conversion of commercial lofts to apartments, which began before 1996 but was spurred by city improvements.

“One hundred and twenty thousand residents have moved into downtown lofts in the last 10 years, many in that area,” said Perry Duis, a historian at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Daley’s critics also complain that the mayor’s tastes are pedestrian, that he has “sanitized” the look of the city.

And there is no arguing that some projects have verged on disaster, perhaps most memorably the gay pride-themed “improvements” to the Lakeview neighborhood that had to be scaled back after an outcry from the area’s predominantly gay community. …

This has come to be called the “architecture of reassurance,” a converting of the cityscape from a dark and dangerous place to one of light, people and excitement.

Of course, what goes unmentioned in this article is the stick that complemented Daley’s carrots: the demolition of public housing projects with easy access to downtown, and the scattering of their denizens, clutching Section 8 vouchers, to inner suburbs or small towns.

The green fields above are where the huge Cabrini Green housing project once was. Obviously, the residents had to be moved out, for their own good, to suburbs and small towns where they’d be closer to jobs and have better public transport than where they used to live, a 20 minute stroll from the Magnificent Mile.

 
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  1. But, but Daley is a democrat. He would never do that to the most loyal democratic voters. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you. Only a mean old republican would do something like that. Only a republican would be pro business and anti poor people.

  2. SFG says:

    Maybe it’s because I’m a city dweller by birth, but…he’s the mayor of Chicago. He made Chicago better. Isn’t that his job?

    Seems like it’s a Who? Whom? thing, or ‘who gets stuck with the hot NAM potato’. Can you think of any objective reason city or country people should get stuck with these people? Heck, I could argue they should ship them all to high-income tracts in the South–they’re the guys who were too lazy to pick their own cotton!

    • Replies: @Realist
    @SFG

    "He made Chicago better."

    Better than what? It's a shit hole.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @pyrrhus
    @SFG

    As a Chicagoan, I can state that Daley did NOT make Chicago better, he drove it into bankruptcy with a succession of showy but useless projects that came in 500% above budget, with the usual insiders pocketing the difference. He sold the parking meter revenues for 75 years for a small fraction of what he should have gotten, and that money is already gone....he was a disaster.

  3. Apparently a lot of wealthy White liberals have a strong desire to live within the city limits of Dallas and St. Louis, hence why they want to Whiten it’s city limits and Blacken it’s suburbs. White liberals also want to try to take back the city limits of Detroit, but the problem there is that Detroit is so extremely Black that it’s a lost cause. There is no way in hell Detroit is going to from being 83 percent Black to Minority status down to 33 percent Black for example. Detroit’s Chocolate city status is permanent. Detroit is never going to be a Vanilla city again because it is just way too much of an uphill battle.

    • Replies: @Funky Flashman
    @Jefferson


    There is no way in hell Detroit is going to from being 83 percent Black to Minority status down to 33 percent Black for example.
     
    To the contrary, Detroit has a good chance of doing just that. The city itself is vast, with plenty of vacant land ripe for redevelopment and a population of just under 700,000. The metro area is about six times larger, with a population of about 4.3 million 70% white, and 23% black. The current trend is for blacks to move out of the city while whites are moving in. If detroit sees any population growth at all, it will eventually be a majority white city.
  4. Since Texas is being brought up in the discussion of Section 8 housing, here is something Texas related and that is people are always talking about how liberal Austin is but also forget how extremely liberal Houston is as well. The last time Houston had a Republican mayor was all the way back in 1982 when Michael Jackson’s Thriller album came out. That was also the same year John Belushi died of a cocaine and heroin overdose.

    Houston is a one party town just like Steve Sailer’s hometown of Los Angeles. Houston is geographically part of Texas but it operates on Seattle politics.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jefferson

    I think they've had at least one moderate Democratic mayor since then.

    , @anon
    @Jefferson

    "people are always talking about how liberal Austin is but also forget how extremely liberal Houston is as well."

    Well, they're speaking to fact of the people they would associate with-- you know, fellow whites.

  5. Both Daleys helped keep Chicago alive and great and didn’t allow it to go to hell like many other once great American cities.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Stephen H.

    The people kept the city alive and great, not the politicians.

    Replies: @Stephen H., @Mike Zwick

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    France was effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward. Parisians didn’t have to worry about nuclear attack in the same way as people living in big American cities. Adopting the ‘Paris model’ of urban development is something that has only became possible for Americans since the 1990s.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Anonymous

    "France was effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward."

    Its weird that people still believe that, as if France would have just been totally OK with a Soviet take-over. The reality of the situation, was that the French military wasn't going to expend itself trying to prevent the USSR from forcibly re-uniting the two Germanys. But they were going to defend France tooth-and-nail. And isn't that what the French army is for, after all? I suspect any Soviet armored divisions that crossed the Rhine, would have gotten nuked (and that the Soviet leadership would've been told this in advance). France might have even seized upon the crisis, as an excuse to re-occupy the Rhineland (the local Germans would've doubtless been very grateful not to be under the Soviet yoke).

    Yes, I'm aware that DeGaulle kicked the U.S. military out of France, and declined to participate in NATO war games. To extrapolate from those facts, that France was "effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward," is nonsense.

    Replies: @Kauai

  7. Cohen & Taylor suggested that Richard Daley Sr. built Cabrini Green in the first place as an F-U to the liberal north side who had been giving him problems about his racial policies.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @Ezra

    Cabrini Green was built with the neighborhood's local Italian population in mind, and it's first residents were indeed such. It wasn't until the turbulent 70s started that the place began the ghettofication it became famous for.

    In fact, lots of public housing in big northern cities were made through the efforts of working-class white Democrats with their constituents in mind, not the blacks.

    Replies: @Hanoi Paris Hilton

    , @fnn
    @Ezra

    The "liberal north side" had not yet come into existence at the time Cabrini-Green was built. Do a search for "Paddy Bauler."

    Replies: @Hibernian

  8. IA says:

    Parisians are better at playing both sides than Americans. Each arrondissement in Paris has a minority quota. However, they can pay a fine if not met. So, status-marking is satisfied while the poorer arrondissements must take the blacks, mainly near Porte de Clignancourt in the 18th.

    Washington, DC, was over 70% black by 1970. Through affirmative action (mostly) gov job hiring they ethnically cleansed Prince George’s County, Maryland, of its 85% working class whites by the early 90s. PG county is now 70% black and DC is under 50% black with a majority of the city council white.

    You need to bring in queers, and now it seems, transgenders if you want to win. (Blacks have no fear of white hetero men, or even women to a certain degree.) Queers are shock troops, not only in the U.S., but project U.S./Western values of unlimited freedom all over the world.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @IA

    Gays are a gentrifier's dream. Once you start seeing homos out walking their dogs, a new neighborhood association is in the works.

  9. This subject hits so many of the Left’s erogenous zones zones – they get to feel good about themselves by stuffing racial integration down the throats of the much-loathed white suburban and exurban crowd, they clear out desirable real estate of the high crime minorities that they are secretly scared stiff of to make way for condos, dog parks, and Trader Joe’s, and get to scream “racist” at anyone who gets in their way in the process.

  10. @Ezra
    Cohen & Taylor suggested that Richard Daley Sr. built Cabrini Green in the first place as an F-U to the liberal north side who had been giving him problems about his racial policies.

    Replies: @Bert, @fnn

    Cabrini Green was built with the neighborhood’s local Italian population in mind, and it’s first residents were indeed such. It wasn’t until the turbulent 70s started that the place began the ghettofication it became famous for.

    In fact, lots of public housing in big northern cities were made through the efforts of working-class white Democrats with their constituents in mind, not the blacks.

    • Replies: @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    @Bert

    Actually Cabrini-Green (note the hyphen) isn't an evocation of a pretty landscape, but rather the aggregation of what had originally been two adjacent but segregated sections of the original Projects. Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero, and the Cabrini part was initially entirely white and mostly Italian. Similarly, Green was a black (or do I have to say "African-American" here?) WW2 hero and it was completely occupied by NAMs. After the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s, Federal lawsuits were launched to integrate the Cabrini part and the whites totally bailed out in a matter of milliseconds. My current hometown is in the exurbs c. 65 miles due west of the Loop and when I moved there 13 years ago it was totally Archie and Veronica-ville, but now all of sudden it's about 15-25% NMAs, including the Sectioa 8 usual suspects and also a large contingent of the 300K of Michoacanos —many or most of them undocumented— now living in "Chicagoland", as the dimwit newscasters call it. Incidentally there is zero public transit from here to downtown. (The westernmost stop of the Metra suburban rail system is nearly 20 miles from us.)

    Replies: @HA

  11. Paul Levy, quoted briefly in the article, has been instrumental in bringing the same sort of changes to Philly starting during the Rendell administration. Center City Philly has been a pretty nice place since then, and it’s slowly expanding out into the surrounding neighborhoods. It will be interesting to see if the push towards the suburbs actually works in Philadelphia suburbs considering the wealthy old money types that live out on the Main Line seem considerably more powerful than in suburban Chicago.

    • Replies: @travis
    @Publius

    while the Mainline towns outside Philadelphia have been able to keep out blacks, my hometown of Upper Darby has gone from 99% white to 57% white in just 25 years

    along with the influx of blacks, property values have fallen dramatically and the public schools have been effectively destroyed. Hard to believe my graduating High School class class in 1988 was less than 1% Black while last year it was over 30%

    so as parts of Philly gentrify they have destroyed suburban towns in Delaware County.

  12. @Ezra
    Cohen & Taylor suggested that Richard Daley Sr. built Cabrini Green in the first place as an F-U to the liberal north side who had been giving him problems about his racial policies.

    Replies: @Bert, @fnn

    The “liberal north side” had not yet come into existence at the time Cabrini-Green was built. Do a search for “Paddy Bauler.”

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @fnn

    I think originally Cabrini and Green were two separate, adjacent, projects. The first of the two to be built was in the '40s when Jacob Arvey was the political boss (although not Mayor) of Chicago. Daley became mayor in 1955; he had previously been a power in his own Near Southwest Side neighborhood going back to the '30s.

  13. Affluent people living close to the center and poorer folks living on the outskirts is pretty much a universal fact of human civilization for the last 10000 years. An upper middle class guys’s time is simply too valuable to spend commuting.

    You can flip the scheme for a while, like in North America for the last 50 years, but eventually the infrastructure gets too expensive to maintain relative to the return.

    • Replies: @Bert
    @vinny

    Exactly.

    Go to any European capital and you'll soon realize that the best and largest mansions are the former residences of nobles in the city center which are usually within a short carriage ride from the former royal palace. Partly for convenience, but also because the king liked to keep the nobility close to him so that his spies could more easily sniff our potential treachery. Can't do that in the country.

    , @Anonymous
    @vinny

    To the urban wealthy who live in city mansions, brownstones, penthouses, etc., the city is like a personal castle with millions of servants and slaves providing all kinds of services and goods.

  14. IA says:

    It’s really more a question of a certain culture which a) frightens blacks with 1.5 jail time and 2) baffles and intimidates. Yoga, Starbucks coffee choices, menus with European words, regimented bicycle zones (regimented anything really), farmer’s markets and bars with complex brews and wine. Blacks hate classical music too. You position yourself against racist bigot haters in online forums and so forth. When physically attacked by blacks you blame the police. Cameras are everywhere so you post images on forums and cut through the layers of bureaucratic obfuscation. If this sounds feminine it is.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @IA

    "IA says:

    It’s really more a question of a certain culture which a) frightens blacks with 1.5 jail time"

    Where is the evidence that blacks are frightened by jail time? The kind of blacks who are likely to commit crimes, that is. A lot of ghetto thugs seem to be indifferent to the prospect of spending the better portion of thier adult lives in prison.

    Replies: @IA

  15. The destruction of Chicago’s public housing spread them further than the inner city suburbs. They been dealing with transplants all down I-65 to Indy.

    As for the Daley and his father they were traditional democrats. The fleecing was important, but they knew not to skin, and to at least make sure that the city services the taxpayers cared about the most functioned.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @WillBest

    "As for the Daley and his father they were traditional democrats. The fleecing was important, but they knew not to skin... " - Oxymoron alert.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  16. @vinny
    Affluent people living close to the center and poorer folks living on the outskirts is pretty much a universal fact of human civilization for the last 10000 years. An upper middle class guys's time is simply too valuable to spend commuting.

    You can flip the scheme for a while, like in North America for the last 50 years, but eventually the infrastructure gets too expensive to maintain relative to the return.

    Replies: @Bert, @Anonymous

    Exactly.

    Go to any European capital and you’ll soon realize that the best and largest mansions are the former residences of nobles in the city center which are usually within a short carriage ride from the former royal palace. Partly for convenience, but also because the king liked to keep the nobility close to him so that his spies could more easily sniff our potential treachery. Can’t do that in the country.

  17. In the premium cable series Boss, starring Kelsey Grammer as the Democratic Mayor of Chicago. One of the ongoing story lines was the Mayor’s collusion with developers buying up the projects and moving the minorities out. It was a good series too bad Starz network cancelled it.

  18. @SFG
    Maybe it's because I'm a city dweller by birth, but...he's the mayor of Chicago. He made Chicago better. Isn't that his job?

    Seems like it's a Who? Whom? thing, or 'who gets stuck with the hot NAM potato'. Can you think of any objective reason city or country people should get stuck with these people? Heck, I could argue they should ship them all to high-income tracts in the South--they're the guys who were too lazy to pick their own cotton!

    Replies: @Realist, @pyrrhus

    “He made Chicago better.”

    Better than what? It’s a shit hole.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Realist

    Chicago actually has some very nice areas, especially in the northern part of the city. There are some white working class areas left too, full of Italians, Polish, Greeks, Irish, and Slavics.

    However, for the most part, the city is a slum with typical big city problems.

    Replies: @Realist

  19. Nice touch, the picture of Daley on one of Paris’ Vélib’ shared bicycles.

  20. @vinny
    Affluent people living close to the center and poorer folks living on the outskirts is pretty much a universal fact of human civilization for the last 10000 years. An upper middle class guys's time is simply too valuable to spend commuting.

    You can flip the scheme for a while, like in North America for the last 50 years, but eventually the infrastructure gets too expensive to maintain relative to the return.

    Replies: @Bert, @Anonymous

    To the urban wealthy who live in city mansions, brownstones, penthouses, etc., the city is like a personal castle with millions of servants and slaves providing all kinds of services and goods.

  21. LBJ created the Federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, so blame him for growing the federal scope of power over this. Still, even the linked NYT article cites the Dallas Housing Authority, which is at least nominally state government level, which who knows how much federal influence. Is this changing?

    Sailer has real estate expertise, so his coverage on this issue is particularly valuable.

  22. The good thing about the San Diego metropolitan area is that you can’t really destroy it’s prosperous suburbs with Section 8 housing Negroes because not even the city limits of San Diego itself has a high enough percentage of Blacks that it can dump huge numbers of Negroes into suburbs like Carlsbad and transform them into another Ferguson.

    The suburbs that will suffer the most with Section 8 housing are those suburbs located in metropolitan areas where the city center has a high percentage of Blacks. This is where San Diego has an advantage over the likes of Dallas and St. Louis. The percentage of Blacks in the San Diego city limits has always been in the single digits, that has never been the the case with Dallas and St. Louis.

    The city limits of San Diego do not have a single zip code where Blacks are in the majority. The Blackest zip code in San Diego is only 29 percent Black.
    http://zipatlas.com/us/ca/san-diego/zip-code-comparison/percentage-black-population.htm

    Compare that to the city limits of Dallas where you can find a 93 percent Black zip code.
    http://zipatlas.com/us/tx/dallas/zip-code-comparison/percentage-black-population.htm

    And the St. Louis city limits where you can find a zip code that is 98 percent Black.
    http://zipatlas.com/us/mo/saint-louis/zip-code-comparison/percentage-black-population.htm

    San Diego dodged a bullet in not being a very popular destination for the great Black migration out of the South.

  23. Foseti says: • Website

    “making hundreds of billions in real estate profits for well-connected insiders”

    As a property-owner in DC, if the surrounding suburbs were made more diverse, my property values would probably increase. If they were made more diverse through moving around only section 8 people, my property values would sky rocket (I live within a mile of an old section 8 project, whose residents accounts for approximately 90% of the crime in my area).

    I’ve only seen about a 40% increase in property value in the last 5 years, so I could really use some help from the administration to get another boost. Did I mention how many people in my neighborhood work for the administration?

  24. But, but Daley is a democrat. He would never do that to the most loyal democratic voters.

    Sorry but Hispanics have proven to be far more loyal and less contentious Democrats than Blacks and on average a far better impact on real estate values.

    Daley has been behind the wholesale replacement of Chicago Blacks with Hispanics since Luis Gutierrez backed his mayoral candidacy in 1989. Puerto Rican Slick Luis got his reward with his notorious “ear muff” extremely safe seat in 1992. This effectively ended Chicago’s post Harold Washington “Council Wars” era.

    The next big hurdle for Rahm Emanuel and IL Dems (ie TWMNBN) is to engineer the replacement of one of Chicago’s black congressional seats with a compliant Mexican one. Jesús “Chuy” García??? Keep one’s rivals/enemies closer???

    If this next decade is any like the former in terms of Chicago losing Blacks and replacing them with Hispanics and Asians, that it be a done deal soon. Look at maps of Chicago’s demographic change in the last couple of decades. The goal is to slowly squeeze the black underclass away from the South Lakefront by replacing them with Asians and Hispanics. Build lots of new high rises along the south lakefront, give the Hispanics a cut of the construction jobs.

    Next move will be to put Emanuel in the Senate where he will someday fill Chuck Schumer’s shoes a decade from now. Emanuel’s goal is to be the power behind the scene as White America becomes the minority.

    Chicago’s black aldermen thought they were really sticking it to Whitey when they voted to make Chicago a sanctuary city under Mayor Washington. Had they only known it spelled Black Chicago’s demise.

    • Replies: @Observer
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    This 3-part series shows in great detail how the population of Chicago has changed in recent decades. A must for demographics nerds -

    http://chicago.straightdope.com/sdccensus1.php

    , @Hibernian
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Black neighborhoods being gentrified on the South Side are for the most part being gentrified by middle class blacks.

  25. A Chicagoan here. OK maybe I slipped out to the burbs to raise kids and put them in public schools that weren’t worthless. But I lived there a number of years and I’m an old fart so I know a lot about Hizzoner da honerible Richard J Daley. With a J Steve.

    Anyhow, the old man was a hoot. And as crafty and powerful as they came or will come. We have a beautiful lakefront here and as everywhere else the waterfront was owned by the rich. What did this guy do? He took it away from them. Or rather he pushed through legislation allowing the beachfront they once owned and controlled to be filled in will a couple blocks of dirt so that the public now had a beautiful park stretching along the lake. He did that and a lot more. He was a great man and Chicago is a great city.

    The man had his warts. “Chicago ain’t ready for reform.” meant you could steal when you were in office but you better keep the city clean. You had better do your job, whatever it was. Politicians today like Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel are powerless when compared to the Boss, Richard J Daley.

    I have a hundred stories about Richard Daley, and they aren’t made up or third person rumor stories. Nixon could have protested the presidential election of 1969 because Daley made sure carloads of republican ballots from the suburbs disappeared between the polling places and where they were supposed to be delivered to be counted. Daley let his alderman be crooks, he gave them carte blanche control of the zoning changes in their wards. So if you wanted to change real estate from residential to commercial, or single residential to high rise, you got things done the old fashioned way, a fat stack of hundred dollar bills. He even told all the aldermen in a meeting. “Dammit, things have changed! Since Watergate you can’t be talking be taking cash from voters to fix tickets. You, each one of you alderman have complete jurisdiction for zoning changes in your ward and that ought to be enough!”

    I heard that story first hand from an aldermen who later went to jail for corruption.

    different times, different times.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @dave chamberlin

    "Or rather he pushed through legislation allowing the beachfront they once owned and controlled to be filled in will a couple blocks of dirt so that the public now had a beautiful park stretching along the lake."

    Creating artificial land along the lakefront started with debris from the Chicago Fire of 1871. By the time Daley became mayor there was very little privately owned lakefront land left.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

  26. @Jefferson
    Since Texas is being brought up in the discussion of Section 8 housing, here is something Texas related and that is people are always talking about how liberal Austin is but also forget how extremely liberal Houston is as well. The last time Houston had a Republican mayor was all the way back in 1982 when Michael Jackson's Thriller album came out. That was also the same year John Belushi died of a cocaine and heroin overdose.

    Houston is a one party town just like Steve Sailer's hometown of Los Angeles. Houston is geographically part of Texas but it operates on Seattle politics.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon

    I think they’ve had at least one moderate Democratic mayor since then.

  27. @Stephen H.
    Both Daleys helped keep Chicago alive and great and didn't allow it to go to hell like many other once great American cities.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    The people kept the city alive and great, not the politicians.

    • Replies: @Stephen H.
    @Hibernian

    The placement of the projects originally was deftly handled by Daley I. Their removal was fostered by Daley II.

    Replies: @fnn

    , @Mike Zwick
    @Hibernian

    The people elected both Daleys.

  28. I know you were talking about his kid he was just another crappy politician. The old man was a masterpiece, nobody like him.The stories about that guy are endless.

    Ooops ,and I meant the 1960 presidential election between Nixon and kennedy.

  29. Section 8 migrants arent the full story. Minority populations have risen in many New York suburbs even though it would be orders of magnitude beyond unthinkable for the city to demolish any of its housing projects.

  30. @fnn
    @Ezra

    The "liberal north side" had not yet come into existence at the time Cabrini-Green was built. Do a search for "Paddy Bauler."

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I think originally Cabrini and Green were two separate, adjacent, projects. The first of the two to be built was in the ’40s when Jacob Arvey was the political boss (although not Mayor) of Chicago. Daley became mayor in 1955; he had previously been a power in his own Near Southwest Side neighborhood going back to the ’30s.

  31. @WillBest
    The destruction of Chicago's public housing spread them further than the inner city suburbs. They been dealing with transplants all down I-65 to Indy.

    As for the Daley and his father they were traditional democrats. The fleecing was important, but they knew not to skin, and to at least make sure that the city services the taxpayers cared about the most functioned.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    “As for the Daley and his father they were traditional democrats. The fleecing was important, but they knew not to skin… ” – Oxymoron alert.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Hibernian

    No oxymoron; think sheep. You can fleece them every year,you can only skin them once.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  32. @Hibernian
    @Stephen H.

    The people kept the city alive and great, not the politicians.

    Replies: @Stephen H., @Mike Zwick

    The placement of the projects originally was deftly handled by Daley I. Their removal was fostered by Daley II.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Stephen H.

    I'm curious about black-Mexican relations in the neighborhood that once housed the "Illinois Nazis" made famous by the planned but ultimately cancelled Skokie march and The Blues Brothers movie:

    http://www.actforchildren.org/site/DocServer/2010_Census_Data_Fact_Sheet_by_Chicago_Community_Area.pdf?docID=1741


    Chicago Lawn 2010 Census : Hispanic 45% , Non‐Hispanic Black 49%, Non‐Hispanic White 4% , Non‐Hispanic Asian 0%, Non‐Hispanic Other or Multiple Races 1%
     
    2000 Census showed blacks at 53% and Hispanics with 35%.
  33. @Publius
    Paul Levy, quoted briefly in the article, has been instrumental in bringing the same sort of changes to Philly starting during the Rendell administration. Center City Philly has been a pretty nice place since then, and it's slowly expanding out into the surrounding neighborhoods. It will be interesting to see if the push towards the suburbs actually works in Philadelphia suburbs considering the wealthy old money types that live out on the Main Line seem considerably more powerful than in suburban Chicago.

    Replies: @travis

    while the Mainline towns outside Philadelphia have been able to keep out blacks, my hometown of Upper Darby has gone from 99% white to 57% white in just 25 years

    along with the influx of blacks, property values have fallen dramatically and the public schools have been effectively destroyed. Hard to believe my graduating High School class class in 1988 was less than 1% Black while last year it was over 30%

    so as parts of Philly gentrify they have destroyed suburban towns in Delaware County.

  34. Wait a minute. Wasn’t Obama’s community organizer shtick partly about how the poor were stuck away from the jobs in the center and without adequate public transport to get there? Isolated and poor? Now he is endorsing a policy that does exactly that!

  35. Part of me wonders if keeping NAMs out of sight and out of mind causes the French to underestimate the progress they’re making toward a left singularity. Perhaps a strong Islamic separatist party could emerge before they realize it’s even possible.

  36. Unlike his pa, Daley Jr moved from Bridgeport to downtown.

  37. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Let’s not get all excited just yet. Chicago still has close to 900,000 blacks and they aren’t going anywhere soon. They still outnumber the white population. There’s not enough money to subsidize every black in America to move somewhere else, wherever that somewhere else happens to be. Moving the Section 8 blacks out might be considered good since those are the bottom third of that population and as most people have observed from up close a hardcore minority cause a disproportionate amount of problems. The problem is that this anti-social population doesn’t disappear but just becomes someone else’s headache. Perhaps in the end they’ll get the Indian treatment and be moved to some reservations somewhere. For their own good, of course.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anonymous


    The big story was the decline — roughly 180,000 — in the black population. Many African-Americans left the area altogether, likely joining in a swelling reverse migration to the South. (In 2010, Atlanta took over Chicago's claim to the second-largest black population in the country.) Still, the Cook County and collar suburbs gained 109,000 black residents.
     
    from

    http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/chicago-dying-69888

    Chicago's black population is now closer to 800,000 not 900,000. I don't believe that Chicago has actually lost that much over all population. Lots of illegal aliens and "non-immigrants" who do not complete their census forms have been displacing AAs.

    Again what Chicago's PTB care about is pushing underclass blacks away from the South Lakefront. That what the big deal is about.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

    , @Anonymous
    @anonymous

    True dat. I'm a resident of a Chicago suburb, which used to be a nice, even idyllic, place. I'll give you three guesses as to whose headache they became.

    We're not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

  38. @Jefferson
    Since Texas is being brought up in the discussion of Section 8 housing, here is something Texas related and that is people are always talking about how liberal Austin is but also forget how extremely liberal Houston is as well. The last time Houston had a Republican mayor was all the way back in 1982 when Michael Jackson's Thriller album came out. That was also the same year John Belushi died of a cocaine and heroin overdose.

    Houston is a one party town just like Steve Sailer's hometown of Los Angeles. Houston is geographically part of Texas but it operates on Seattle politics.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @anon

    “people are always talking about how liberal Austin is but also forget how extremely liberal Houston is as well.”

    Well, they’re speaking to fact of the people they would associate with– you know, fellow whites.

  39. @Hibernian
    @WillBest

    "As for the Daley and his father they were traditional democrats. The fleecing was important, but they knew not to skin... " - Oxymoron alert.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    No oxymoron; think sheep. You can fleece them every year,you can only skin them once.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @kaganovitch

    The oxymoron is traditional democrats and not skinning.

  40. Are the payoffs from un NAM dowtown evelopment greater than the pain ordinary suburban Whites exact in revenge for being made poor? My guess is no.

  41. @Jefferson
    Apparently a lot of wealthy White liberals have a strong desire to live within the city limits of Dallas and St. Louis, hence why they want to Whiten it's city limits and Blacken it's suburbs. White liberals also want to try to take back the city limits of Detroit, but the problem there is that Detroit is so extremely Black that it's a lost cause. There is no way in hell Detroit is going to from being 83 percent Black to Minority status down to 33 percent Black for example. Detroit's Chocolate city status is permanent. Detroit is never going to be a Vanilla city again because it is just way too much of an uphill battle.

    Replies: @Funky Flashman

    There is no way in hell Detroit is going to from being 83 percent Black to Minority status down to 33 percent Black for example.

    To the contrary, Detroit has a good chance of doing just that. The city itself is vast, with plenty of vacant land ripe for redevelopment and a population of just under 700,000. The metro area is about six times larger, with a population of about 4.3 million 70% white, and 23% black. The current trend is for blacks to move out of the city while whites are moving in. If detroit sees any population growth at all, it will eventually be a majority white city.

  42. @anonymous
    Let's not get all excited just yet. Chicago still has close to 900,000 blacks and they aren't going anywhere soon. They still outnumber the white population. There's not enough money to subsidize every black in America to move somewhere else, wherever that somewhere else happens to be. Moving the Section 8 blacks out might be considered good since those are the bottom third of that population and as most people have observed from up close a hardcore minority cause a disproportionate amount of problems. The problem is that this anti-social population doesn't disappear but just becomes someone else's headache. Perhaps in the end they'll get the Indian treatment and be moved to some reservations somewhere. For their own good, of course.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @Anonymous

    The big story was the decline — roughly 180,000 — in the black population. Many African-Americans left the area altogether, likely joining in a swelling reverse migration to the South. (In 2010, Atlanta took over Chicago’s claim to the second-largest black population in the country.) Still, the Cook County and collar suburbs gained 109,000 black residents.

    from

    http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/chicago-dying-69888

    Chicago’s black population is now closer to 800,000 not 900,000. I don’t believe that Chicago has actually lost that much over all population. Lots of illegal aliens and “non-immigrants” who do not complete their census forms have been displacing AAs.

    Again what Chicago’s PTB care about is pushing underclass blacks away from the South Lakefront. That what the big deal is about.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Many of the 180000 moved to Downstate Illinois cities that saw a surge in the population of blacks in the last 15 years or so. Peoria, Illinois is undergoing a rapid racial change and is pretty much being rebuilt in giant suburban sprawl developments north of the city.

  43. Anonymous [AKA "jimmy the eskimo"] says:

    OT but somewhat related – This happened near my neighborhood on Sunday:
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fatal-shooting-in-hollywood-20150706-story.html

    At least they mention that the killer was black (and wearing a hoodie – imagine the racism of mentioning that!). No national coverage as far as I can tell, even though this happened in a major tourist area. Does the next step of the “knock-out game” involve shotguns? The comments to the LA Times article seem to indicate that more than a few people are fed up with anti-white media bias.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    Straight up race murders like this - especially of blonde women - will become increasingly common as white people become a minority and the minority of non-whites who have always had a buried but seething resentment of white success take their opportunity for revenge.

    This process will be greatly inflamed by the media.

  44. Incidentally, Census just released a bunch of 2014 estimates, including for the City of St. Louis. While its overall population is slightly down over 2010, the percent white population is rising and the percent black population is falling, and in fact, they’re almost on par. As late as the official 2000 census, it was 44% white and 53% black. The 2010 numbers were 42 and 49. The 2014 estimate is 46.4/47.9. The largest source of city population decline is people under 18, which in St. Louis City parlance, means blacks, which in turn means single mother headed black households (such as they are).

  45. Dee says:

    15 years ago I was reading an article about Section 8 vouchers being handed out at Cabrini. The first ones would come back to the hood with a nice car, clothes, etc. So the ambitious ones realized this was a way out, and you had to sit in line for a couple of days to be first in line for the vouchers.

    The poverty pimps; the local politician’s and their bureaucracy and the ‘ministers’ got the program stopped. They were seeing the poverty money going away with those residents and the voters they depended on. I guess the elites have been able to overcome the pimps and the pipeline out of Chicago for NAMs is open again.

  46. We took a ride today. It was out in the country. We drove to this small ski slope that has a golf course at the bottom of it for summer recreation. We passed through all of this farm land and had to drive through this small town built around a small lake.

    It was all very white. And very nice and very ordered, clean, aesthetic.

    We played putt putt. There was sort of a congestion of five different groups, the front group was large and took a while to get through each hole. So it all slowed down and often we had to wait to play the next hole, actually waiting on the “tee” with the people in front of us while they waited for the group in front of them to get off the “green”. It was all very orderly, very friendly. We chatted with the group behind us and the one in front of us. I know where they live, what the kids names were. I even knew the women in front of us already had dinner waiting a home in a crock pot.

    So I take the Heartiste “Get thee to a red state” maxim and I revise it to “Get thee to a white spot in a cluster of Red Yankee counties.” I live in one now. I moved here from South Austin and Austin isn’t a hell hole at all, even though the south side is very Mexican. I lived in Atlanta before that, Montgomery, Al before that. I lived for over 10 years in really one of the whitest spots in the country, Boulder. But it is one of the bluest counties in America and it sucked. This Yankee place is much better than all of them. The social cohesion is incredible.

    Screw those big cities. Get out now and get where the Yankee red white people are and dig in for the future of your children. Get somewhere where the main street has 10 churches on it. These white small town Yankees have civic order bred into them and they are some of the best people I have ever met. (I was born in the south, grew up mostly in Texas and the West. I spent most of my life in Major metropolitan boom towns like the Denver area, Houston.) To me, this is the spot to weather what ever is coming.

    If you wait, it may be too late. Once the boomers start to die off a major demographic transformation will occur everywhere.

    • Replies: @newyorker
    @Mark Minter

    @mark minter

    That's new Hampshire in a nutshell. Even the white lowlife here know to misbehave in a predictable narrow range that's not too hard on the social and civil code and are more or less on the same page.

    , @SFG
    @Mark Minter

    Rural New England? It's a thought. My worry there is some clever person will import 'diversity' like happened in Minneapolis.

    (And no, I don't stand behind my prior suggestion about solving the problem through dilution. I'm allowed to change my mind if someone proves me wrong.)

  47. @anonymous-antimarxist

    But, but Daley is a democrat. He would never do that to the most loyal democratic voters.
     
    Sorry but Hispanics have proven to be far more loyal and less contentious Democrats than Blacks and on average a far better impact on real estate values.

    Daley has been behind the wholesale replacement of Chicago Blacks with Hispanics since Luis Gutierrez backed his mayoral candidacy in 1989. Puerto Rican Slick Luis got his reward with his notorious "ear muff" extremely safe seat in 1992. This effectively ended Chicago's post Harold Washington "Council Wars" era.

    The next big hurdle for Rahm Emanuel and IL Dems (ie TWMNBN) is to engineer the replacement of one of Chicago's black congressional seats with a compliant Mexican one. Jesús "Chuy" García??? Keep one's rivals/enemies closer???

    If this next decade is any like the former in terms of Chicago losing Blacks and replacing them with Hispanics and Asians, that it be a done deal soon. Look at maps of Chicago's demographic change in the last couple of decades. The goal is to slowly squeeze the black underclass away from the South Lakefront by replacing them with Asians and Hispanics. Build lots of new high rises along the south lakefront, give the Hispanics a cut of the construction jobs.

    Next move will be to put Emanuel in the Senate where he will someday fill Chuck Schumer's shoes a decade from now. Emanuel's goal is to be the power behind the scene as White America becomes the minority.

    Chicago's black aldermen thought they were really sticking it to Whitey when they voted to make Chicago a sanctuary city under Mayor Washington. Had they only known it spelled Black Chicago's demise.

    Replies: @Observer, @Hibernian

    This 3-part series shows in great detail how the population of Chicago has changed in recent decades. A must for demographics nerds –

    http://chicago.straightdope.com/sdccensus1.php

  48. @Realist
    @SFG

    "He made Chicago better."

    Better than what? It's a shit hole.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Chicago actually has some very nice areas, especially in the northern part of the city. There are some white working class areas left too, full of Italians, Polish, Greeks, Irish, and Slavics.

    However, for the most part, the city is a slum with typical big city problems.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I live 35 miles north of Chicago....I stand by my comment. It is expensive, the taxes are ridiculous and it is essentially bankrupt.

  49. @anonymous
    Let's not get all excited just yet. Chicago still has close to 900,000 blacks and they aren't going anywhere soon. They still outnumber the white population. There's not enough money to subsidize every black in America to move somewhere else, wherever that somewhere else happens to be. Moving the Section 8 blacks out might be considered good since those are the bottom third of that population and as most people have observed from up close a hardcore minority cause a disproportionate amount of problems. The problem is that this anti-social population doesn't disappear but just becomes someone else's headache. Perhaps in the end they'll get the Indian treatment and be moved to some reservations somewhere. For their own good, of course.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @Anonymous

    True dat. I’m a resident of a Chicago suburb, which used to be a nice, even idyllic, place. I’ll give you three guesses as to whose headache they became.

    We’re not in Kansas anymore, Toto.

  50. asdf says:

    “Obviously, the residents had to be moved out, for their own good, to suburbs and small towns where they’d be closer to jobs and have better public transport than where they used to live, a 20 minute stroll from the Magnificent Mile.”

    I get that you’re teasing. But, are you saying things were better that way? It sucked in a lot of ways, no?

    Not saying you are wrong, but where is it now worse than it was in the 80/90’s? (You might have posted this and I missed it. I ask sincerely.)

    All the major cities I’ve visited in the past decade or so are way nicer than they were back… well, to me the nadir was NY in 1985. Just my opinion.

    The suburbs generally seem decent too, from what I’ve seen. Though maybe the deluge has been hidden..

    Interesting topic.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @asdf


    I get that you’re teasing. But, are you saying things were better that way? It sucked in a lot of ways, no?

    Not saying you are wrong, but where is it now worse than it was in the 80/90′s? (You might have posted this and I missed it. I ask sincerely.)
     
    Quite likely S.S. thinks gentrified Manhattan, central Los Angeles, etc are better now than in the 1980's. Hipsters and happy rich people out for a stroll is a better crowd than junkies and gang-bangers. Trendy restaurants and coffee shops are better than decrepit auto repair shops and liquor stores that sell crack pipes behind thick bulletproof glass.

    Now what I think would be refreshing is rather than condemn the policies of some urban liberals like Rahm, Daley, and Bloomberg as hypocritical, look at them specifically on their merits, and recommend the policy if it passes muster. "I agree with you, but I want to point out your are a hypocrite who betrays his own values by agreeing with me" is not a good way to persuade.

    So looking specifically at liberal-hypocrite Mayor Daley's policy on the merits, is it a good thing to have people with no special skills and low socioeconomic capital right in the middle of Chicago, the economic center of interior North America?

    Chicago's potential as a great city was hampered by having right around its dense center, which was built, at huge expense, with infrastructure to handle this density, like its triple-decker Wacker Drive streets, a population that had no particular reason to be there. Chicago's old housing project residents and slum-dwellers were demoralized by their complete inability to earn a market wage that pays the cost of living without public subsidy. And they placed high costs on the more than three million people who lived closeby.

    There are a lot fewer problems for them cause in rural areas, declining suburbs, and old industrial small towns, many of which were losing population for years and have affordable housing. It just makes sense that if somebody is going to rely on the government, they should not live in an area with a high cost of living and a high demand for housing by those who work and pay taxes and need to live a reasonable distance from work, and may need safe and clean mass transit. A run down north-central Illinois town that has lost half its population and is full of $15,000 houses is a natural place for the government to provide housing to the poor of Illinois. That's a smart policy that combines the humanity of the left and the free market principles of the right.

    The Dallas and Londistan policy of giving unemployed people a lot of money to live in ritzy neighborhoods is crazy of course. It is an outrage to working people who can't afford to live where those on the dole are being put up for free. These taxpayers work hard to support themselves in modest digs, and there is also something random and stupid about giving one poor family a ton of money, leaving nothing for many others, and taxing the middle class to pay for it. For the most part, that isn't a problem with Section 8, which is not that generous in Illinois, though it is horrible that Obama wants to expand the Dallas "rich zip code" plan.

    Replies: @Lackawanna

  51. @IA
    Parisians are better at playing both sides than Americans. Each arrondissement in Paris has a minority quota. However, they can pay a fine if not met. So, status-marking is satisfied while the poorer arrondissements must take the blacks, mainly near Porte de Clignancourt in the 18th.

    Washington, DC, was over 70% black by 1970. Through affirmative action (mostly) gov job hiring they ethnically cleansed Prince George's County, Maryland, of its 85% working class whites by the early 90s. PG county is now 70% black and DC is under 50% black with a majority of the city council white.

    You need to bring in queers, and now it seems, transgenders if you want to win. (Blacks have no fear of white hetero men, or even women to a certain degree.) Queers are shock troops, not only in the U.S., but project U.S./Western values of unlimited freedom all over the world.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    Gays are a gentrifier’s dream. Once you start seeing homos out walking their dogs, a new neighborhood association is in the works.

  52. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Realist

    Chicago actually has some very nice areas, especially in the northern part of the city. There are some white working class areas left too, full of Italians, Polish, Greeks, Irish, and Slavics.

    However, for the most part, the city is a slum with typical big city problems.

    Replies: @Realist

    I live 35 miles north of Chicago….I stand by my comment. It is expensive, the taxes are ridiculous and it is essentially bankrupt.

  53. Lot says:

    Paris cynically warehoused its nonwhite underclass in remote suburban banlieues so they wouldn’t pester and depress Paris’s white upper crust in its magnificent inner city.

    The banlieues are generally well designed and constructed, and were intended to house commuters and French arriving from the countryside to work in the booming Paris of the 1950’s, with massive growth fueled by reconstruction and the Marshall Plan.

  54. Lot says:
    @asdf
    "Obviously, the residents had to be moved out, for their own good, to suburbs and small towns where they’d be closer to jobs and have better public transport than where they used to live, a 20 minute stroll from the Magnificent Mile."

    I get that you're teasing. But, are you saying things were better that way? It sucked in a lot of ways, no?

    Not saying you are wrong, but where is it now worse than it was in the 80/90's? (You might have posted this and I missed it. I ask sincerely.)

    All the major cities I've visited in the past decade or so are way nicer than they were back... well, to me the nadir was NY in 1985. Just my opinion.

    The suburbs generally seem decent too, from what I've seen. Though maybe the deluge has been hidden..

    Interesting topic.

    Replies: @Lot

    I get that you’re teasing. But, are you saying things were better that way? It sucked in a lot of ways, no?

    Not saying you are wrong, but where is it now worse than it was in the 80/90′s? (You might have posted this and I missed it. I ask sincerely.)

    Quite likely S.S. thinks gentrified Manhattan, central Los Angeles, etc are better now than in the 1980’s. Hipsters and happy rich people out for a stroll is a better crowd than junkies and gang-bangers. Trendy restaurants and coffee shops are better than decrepit auto repair shops and liquor stores that sell crack pipes behind thick bulletproof glass.

    Now what I think would be refreshing is rather than condemn the policies of some urban liberals like Rahm, Daley, and Bloomberg as hypocritical, look at them specifically on their merits, and recommend the policy if it passes muster. “I agree with you, but I want to point out your are a hypocrite who betrays his own values by agreeing with me” is not a good way to persuade.

    So looking specifically at liberal-hypocrite Mayor Daley’s policy on the merits, is it a good thing to have people with no special skills and low socioeconomic capital right in the middle of Chicago, the economic center of interior North America?

    Chicago’s potential as a great city was hampered by having right around its dense center, which was built, at huge expense, with infrastructure to handle this density, like its triple-decker Wacker Drive streets, a population that had no particular reason to be there. Chicago’s old housing project residents and slum-dwellers were demoralized by their complete inability to earn a market wage that pays the cost of living without public subsidy. And they placed high costs on the more than three million people who lived closeby.

    There are a lot fewer problems for them cause in rural areas, declining suburbs, and old industrial small towns, many of which were losing population for years and have affordable housing. It just makes sense that if somebody is going to rely on the government, they should not live in an area with a high cost of living and a high demand for housing by those who work and pay taxes and need to live a reasonable distance from work, and may need safe and clean mass transit. A run down north-central Illinois town that has lost half its population and is full of $15,000 houses is a natural place for the government to provide housing to the poor of Illinois. That’s a smart policy that combines the humanity of the left and the free market principles of the right.

    The Dallas and Londistan policy of giving unemployed people a lot of money to live in ritzy neighborhoods is crazy of course. It is an outrage to working people who can’t afford to live where those on the dole are being put up for free. These taxpayers work hard to support themselves in modest digs, and there is also something random and stupid about giving one poor family a ton of money, leaving nothing for many others, and taxing the middle class to pay for it. For the most part, that isn’t a problem with Section 8, which is not that generous in Illinois, though it is horrible that Obama wants to expand the Dallas “rich zip code” plan.

    • Replies: @Lackawanna
    @Lot

    "That’s a smart policy that combines the humanity of the left and the free market principles of the right."

    You could say that about the entire anti-white agenda.

  55. @Mark Minter
    We took a ride today. It was out in the country. We drove to this small ski slope that has a golf course at the bottom of it for summer recreation. We passed through all of this farm land and had to drive through this small town built around a small lake.

    It was all very white. And very nice and very ordered, clean, aesthetic.

    We played putt putt. There was sort of a congestion of five different groups, the front group was large and took a while to get through each hole. So it all slowed down and often we had to wait to play the next hole, actually waiting on the "tee" with the people in front of us while they waited for the group in front of them to get off the "green". It was all very orderly, very friendly. We chatted with the group behind us and the one in front of us. I know where they live, what the kids names were. I even knew the women in front of us already had dinner waiting a home in a crock pot.

    So I take the Heartiste "Get thee to a red state" maxim and I revise it to "Get thee to a white spot in a cluster of Red Yankee counties." I live in one now. I moved here from South Austin and Austin isn't a hell hole at all, even though the south side is very Mexican. I lived in Atlanta before that, Montgomery, Al before that. I lived for over 10 years in really one of the whitest spots in the country, Boulder. But it is one of the bluest counties in America and it sucked. This Yankee place is much better than all of them. The social cohesion is incredible.

    Screw those big cities. Get out now and get where the Yankee red white people are and dig in for the future of your children. Get somewhere where the main street has 10 churches on it. These white small town Yankees have civic order bred into them and they are some of the best people I have ever met. (I was born in the south, grew up mostly in Texas and the West. I spent most of my life in Major metropolitan boom towns like the Denver area, Houston.) To me, this is the spot to weather what ever is coming.

    If you wait, it may be too late. Once the boomers start to die off a major demographic transformation will occur everywhere.

    Replies: @newyorker, @SFG

    @mark minter

    That’s new Hampshire in a nutshell. Even the white lowlife here know to misbehave in a predictable narrow range that’s not too hard on the social and civil code and are more or less on the same page.

  56. @Mark Minter
    We took a ride today. It was out in the country. We drove to this small ski slope that has a golf course at the bottom of it for summer recreation. We passed through all of this farm land and had to drive through this small town built around a small lake.

    It was all very white. And very nice and very ordered, clean, aesthetic.

    We played putt putt. There was sort of a congestion of five different groups, the front group was large and took a while to get through each hole. So it all slowed down and often we had to wait to play the next hole, actually waiting on the "tee" with the people in front of us while they waited for the group in front of them to get off the "green". It was all very orderly, very friendly. We chatted with the group behind us and the one in front of us. I know where they live, what the kids names were. I even knew the women in front of us already had dinner waiting a home in a crock pot.

    So I take the Heartiste "Get thee to a red state" maxim and I revise it to "Get thee to a white spot in a cluster of Red Yankee counties." I live in one now. I moved here from South Austin and Austin isn't a hell hole at all, even though the south side is very Mexican. I lived in Atlanta before that, Montgomery, Al before that. I lived for over 10 years in really one of the whitest spots in the country, Boulder. But it is one of the bluest counties in America and it sucked. This Yankee place is much better than all of them. The social cohesion is incredible.

    Screw those big cities. Get out now and get where the Yankee red white people are and dig in for the future of your children. Get somewhere where the main street has 10 churches on it. These white small town Yankees have civic order bred into them and they are some of the best people I have ever met. (I was born in the south, grew up mostly in Texas and the West. I spent most of my life in Major metropolitan boom towns like the Denver area, Houston.) To me, this is the spot to weather what ever is coming.

    If you wait, it may be too late. Once the boomers start to die off a major demographic transformation will occur everywhere.

    Replies: @newyorker, @SFG

    Rural New England? It’s a thought. My worry there is some clever person will import ‘diversity’ like happened in Minneapolis.

    (And no, I don’t stand behind my prior suggestion about solving the problem through dilution. I’m allowed to change my mind if someone proves me wrong.)

  57. @kaganovitch
    @Hibernian

    No oxymoron; think sheep. You can fleece them every year,you can only skin them once.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    The oxymoron is traditional democrats and not skinning.

  58. @dave chamberlin
    A Chicagoan here. OK maybe I slipped out to the burbs to raise kids and put them in public schools that weren't worthless. But I lived there a number of years and I'm an old fart so I know a lot about Hizzoner da honerible Richard J Daley. With a J Steve.

    Anyhow, the old man was a hoot. And as crafty and powerful as they came or will come. We have a beautiful lakefront here and as everywhere else the waterfront was owned by the rich. What did this guy do? He took it away from them. Or rather he pushed through legislation allowing the beachfront they once owned and controlled to be filled in will a couple blocks of dirt so that the public now had a beautiful park stretching along the lake. He did that and a lot more. He was a great man and Chicago is a great city.

    The man had his warts. "Chicago ain't ready for reform." meant you could steal when you were in office but you better keep the city clean. You had better do your job, whatever it was. Politicians today like Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel are powerless when compared to the Boss, Richard J Daley.

    I have a hundred stories about Richard Daley, and they aren't made up or third person rumor stories. Nixon could have protested the presidential election of 1969 because Daley made sure carloads of republican ballots from the suburbs disappeared between the polling places and where they were supposed to be delivered to be counted. Daley let his alderman be crooks, he gave them carte blanche control of the zoning changes in their wards. So if you wanted to change real estate from residential to commercial, or single residential to high rise, you got things done the old fashioned way, a fat stack of hundred dollar bills. He even told all the aldermen in a meeting. "Dammit, things have changed! Since Watergate you can't be talking be taking cash from voters to fix tickets. You, each one of you alderman have complete jurisdiction for zoning changes in your ward and that ought to be enough!"

    I heard that story first hand from an aldermen who later went to jail for corruption.

    different times, different times.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    “Or rather he pushed through legislation allowing the beachfront they once owned and controlled to be filled in will a couple blocks of dirt so that the public now had a beautiful park stretching along the lake.”

    Creating artificial land along the lakefront started with debris from the Chicago Fire of 1871. By the time Daley became mayor there was very little privately owned lakefront land left.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    @Hibernian

    He might be talking about the extension of LSD to Hollywood in the 50's.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  59. @Hibernian
    @Stephen H.

    The people kept the city alive and great, not the politicians.

    Replies: @Stephen H., @Mike Zwick

    The people elected both Daleys.

  60. “The green fields above are where the huge Cabrini Green housing project once was. ” There are some shots of what was in those green fields here:

  61. So what? The push out of inner cities is a correction of previous corrupt conspiracies to facilitate white flight. In New York, Chicago, and many other cities the housing projects were purposely built in upper middle class areas. The enactors of these policies received massive kickbacks from the developers of the new suburban homes and the builders of the highways that got them there. This is well documented.

    I’m one of those rare people that love cities and the countryside equally. However, between the two, I agree that projects should be in the country. It’s still possible to have an amazing countryside if the hot potatoes are relegated to a few towns — that’s not possible with cities. Density and all.

    In this case Mayor Daley didn’t do anything but right past wrongs.

  62. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @anonymous


    The big story was the decline — roughly 180,000 — in the black population. Many African-Americans left the area altogether, likely joining in a swelling reverse migration to the South. (In 2010, Atlanta took over Chicago's claim to the second-largest black population in the country.) Still, the Cook County and collar suburbs gained 109,000 black residents.
     
    from

    http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/chicago-dying-69888

    Chicago's black population is now closer to 800,000 not 900,000. I don't believe that Chicago has actually lost that much over all population. Lots of illegal aliens and "non-immigrants" who do not complete their census forms have been displacing AAs.

    Again what Chicago's PTB care about is pushing underclass blacks away from the South Lakefront. That what the big deal is about.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

    Many of the 180000 moved to Downstate Illinois cities that saw a surge in the population of blacks in the last 15 years or so. Peoria, Illinois is undergoing a rapid racial change and is pretty much being rebuilt in giant suburban sprawl developments north of the city.

  63. @Hibernian
    @dave chamberlin

    "Or rather he pushed through legislation allowing the beachfront they once owned and controlled to be filled in will a couple blocks of dirt so that the public now had a beautiful park stretching along the lake."

    Creating artificial land along the lakefront started with debris from the Chicago Fire of 1871. By the time Daley became mayor there was very little privately owned lakefront land left.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

    He might be talking about the extension of LSD to Hollywood in the 50’s.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Mike Zwick

    Gotcha. Let's make it clear that LSD in this context means Lake Shore Drive and Hollywood is Hollywood Avenue (or Street, I'm not totally sure which one is right.)

    Replies: @Kauai

  64. @IA
    It's really more a question of a certain culture which a) frightens blacks with 1.5 jail time and 2) baffles and intimidates. Yoga, Starbucks coffee choices, menus with European words, regimented bicycle zones (regimented anything really), farmer's markets and bars with complex brews and wine. Blacks hate classical music too. You position yourself against racist bigot haters in online forums and so forth. When physically attacked by blacks you blame the police. Cameras are everywhere so you post images on forums and cut through the layers of bureaucratic obfuscation. If this sounds feminine it is.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “IA says:

    It’s really more a question of a certain culture which a) frightens blacks with 1.5 jail time”

    Where is the evidence that blacks are frightened by jail time? The kind of blacks who are likely to commit crimes, that is. A lot of ghetto thugs seem to be indifferent to the prospect of spending the better portion of thier adult lives in prison.

    • Replies: @IA
    @Mr. Anon

    The evidence is they run away. They don't wanna get caught. Then, there's the special hate crime police unit dedicated to such. It's not so much indifference to jail time as indifference to social stigma since there isn't any.

  65. @Bert
    @Ezra

    Cabrini Green was built with the neighborhood's local Italian population in mind, and it's first residents were indeed such. It wasn't until the turbulent 70s started that the place began the ghettofication it became famous for.

    In fact, lots of public housing in big northern cities were made through the efforts of working-class white Democrats with their constituents in mind, not the blacks.

    Replies: @Hanoi Paris Hilton

    Actually Cabrini-Green (note the hyphen) isn’t an evocation of a pretty landscape, but rather the aggregation of what had originally been two adjacent but segregated sections of the original Projects. Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero, and the Cabrini part was initially entirely white and mostly Italian. Similarly, Green was a black (or do I have to say “African-American” here?) WW2 hero and it was completely occupied by NAMs. After the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s, Federal lawsuits were launched to integrate the Cabrini part and the whites totally bailed out in a matter of milliseconds. My current hometown is in the exurbs c. 65 miles due west of the Loop and when I moved there 13 years ago it was totally Archie and Veronica-ville, but now all of sudden it’s about 15-25% NMAs, including the Sectioa 8 usual suspects and also a large contingent of the 300K of Michoacanos —many or most of them undocumented— now living in “Chicagoland”, as the dimwit newscasters call it. Incidentally there is zero public transit from here to downtown. (The westernmost stop of the Metra suburban rail system is nearly 20 miles from us.)

    • Replies: @HA
    @Hanoi Paris Hilton

    "Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero,..."

    The Cabrini in question was Sr. Frances Xavier Cabrini, the Italian-born nun whose Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus ministered to poor Italian immigrants (the original residents of what would come to be known as Cabrini-Green). She died in 1917 and was canonized in 1946. The first rowhouses went up in 1942.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Xavier_Cabrini

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  66. fnn says:
    @Stephen H.
    @Hibernian

    The placement of the projects originally was deftly handled by Daley I. Their removal was fostered by Daley II.

    Replies: @fnn

    I’m curious about black-Mexican relations in the neighborhood that once housed the “Illinois Nazis” made famous by the planned but ultimately cancelled Skokie march and The Blues Brothers movie:

    http://www.actforchildren.org/site/DocServer/2010_Census_Data_Fact_Sheet_by_Chicago_Community_Area.pdf?docID=1741

    Chicago Lawn 2010 Census : Hispanic 45% , Non‐Hispanic Black 49%, Non‐Hispanic White 4% , Non‐Hispanic Asian 0%, Non‐Hispanic Other or Multiple Races 1%

    2000 Census showed blacks at 53% and Hispanics with 35%.

  67. Mike Zwick [AKA "Dahinda"] says:

    One thing that is not mentioned in all of this is that gentrification in Chicago really began in the 1940s with the Chicago Plan Commission. That group was set up by city business leaders to try and find a way to stop the middle class from leaving the city. They came up with a plan to clear out slums and redevelop the areas in the mode of Le Corbusier, i.e. a lot of redundant high rise apartments with grassy areas in between. Some of these developments were successful, such as Sandburg Village which had a large part in spurring the gentrification of Lincoln Park and Old Town. Others, such as Lake Meadows were not as successful as they were located areas that were ugly and not too desirable and the buildings themselves left something to be desired. Another part of all of this though was the development of the vertical slum high rises, such as Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor Homes. Prior to this public housing was just low level apartment buildings built in between existing buildings, such as Marshall Field Homes and the Green Homes part of Cabrini Green. There is a claim that these new high rise developments were built in a way to separate white areas from black areas, further segregating the city. This may be accurate and it may have saved some areas, Little Italy on the West Side ( The University of IL, also a part of the Plan and Le Corbusier like in design, helped this area too.) Old Town and Lincoln Park on the North Side, and the Daley stronghold of Bridgeport on the South Side, from changing racially. Ultimately, although the public housing failed, the gist of the plan succeeded as Chicago din not become Detroit and I feel that the gentrification now being seen in cities across the country got its start with what happened in Chicago in the 40’s http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1295.html

    • Replies: @Observer
    @Mike Zwick

    Re the "the Daley stronghold of Bridgeport" - that is now a classic example of "integration without blacks." It is about equally divided between old-style ethnic whites, Mexicans, and Chinese. These groups seem to get along pretty well on the whole.

    There are other such places in the city, the hipster enclave Logan Square being one (white + Hispanic).

    , @Hibernian
    @Mike Zwick

    From 1955-1965 flight to the suburbs was at its peak and even on the genteel North Side there was only a thin ribbon of gentility on the lake front.

  68. Part of Daley and Rahmbos plan to move out blacks has to do with Chicago’s pension crisis. If they do not revitalize the city by displacing the low-rents and encourage rich yuppies to move in then the city will quickly resemble Detroit. Perhaps they are purposefully destroying the suburbs but it seems as though they are moving most blacks further than that – Rockford, Joliet, etc.

    The next big Daleyesque plan I think they are going for is to yuppify the neighborhoods on the south lakefront. They even converted an old steel mill area into a gorgeous lakefront park. Next step is a Whole Foods and new, high rise, lake view properties. I wouldn’t be surprised if a light rail were built along the lake front. (Near certainty because yups hate hate HATE buses).

  69. Reading about the black underclass of eastern cities always puts the kvetching about Mexicans into perspective. Ultimately, Steve, our beloved L.A. county could have it much, much worse . . . My suburb is about to hit 50% non-Carib Latino*, and honestly, the negative changes are minor compared to what they might have been had the demographic transition been of a Coatesian nature.

    *The steve-o-sphere needs new acronyms to separate Mexicans from Central Americans from Caribbean black “Hispanics.”

  70. @Mr. Anon
    @IA

    "IA says:

    It’s really more a question of a certain culture which a) frightens blacks with 1.5 jail time"

    Where is the evidence that blacks are frightened by jail time? The kind of blacks who are likely to commit crimes, that is. A lot of ghetto thugs seem to be indifferent to the prospect of spending the better portion of thier adult lives in prison.

    Replies: @IA

    The evidence is they run away. They don’t wanna get caught. Then, there’s the special hate crime police unit dedicated to such. It’s not so much indifference to jail time as indifference to social stigma since there isn’t any.

  71. Bill says:

    In contrast, unworldly America had allowed the term “inner city” to become a synonym for poverty, public housing, welfare, and crime.

    This slippage into the passive voice always signifies something. What you are supposed to take away from this passage is that the blackification of the inner city Rust Belt was the unavoidable outcome of some impersonal forces. It just kinda happened. You know, while we weren’t paying attention.

    But it didn’t just kinda happen. It was planned and intentional. It’s just that the culprits in this conspiracy aren’t official bad guys around here. They were WASP industrialists. See here.

    As commenters above have alluded to, Cabrini-Green was used to destroy an Italian neighborhood in Chicago by importing lots of blacks to it. It started out as Cabrini (the Italian name signifying who was supposed to live there). The Green got added later as the second half of a bait-and-switch pulled on the Italians. It is covered in some detail in the book I linked.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Bill


    It’s just that the culprits in this conspiracy aren’t official bad guys around here.
     
    But it's funny that the guy who wrote that book you linked to later became known as a notorious anti-Semite or "anti-Semite."

    Replies: @Bill

  72. @Hanoi Paris Hilton
    @Bert

    Actually Cabrini-Green (note the hyphen) isn't an evocation of a pretty landscape, but rather the aggregation of what had originally been two adjacent but segregated sections of the original Projects. Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero, and the Cabrini part was initially entirely white and mostly Italian. Similarly, Green was a black (or do I have to say "African-American" here?) WW2 hero and it was completely occupied by NAMs. After the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s, Federal lawsuits were launched to integrate the Cabrini part and the whites totally bailed out in a matter of milliseconds. My current hometown is in the exurbs c. 65 miles due west of the Loop and when I moved there 13 years ago it was totally Archie and Veronica-ville, but now all of sudden it's about 15-25% NMAs, including the Sectioa 8 usual suspects and also a large contingent of the 300K of Michoacanos —many or most of them undocumented— now living in "Chicagoland", as the dimwit newscasters call it. Incidentally there is zero public transit from here to downtown. (The westernmost stop of the Metra suburban rail system is nearly 20 miles from us.)

    Replies: @HA

    “Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero,…”

    The Cabrini in question was Sr. Frances Xavier Cabrini, the Italian-born nun whose Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus ministered to poor Italian immigrants (the original residents of what would come to be known as Cabrini-Green). She died in 1917 and was canonized in 1946. The first rowhouses went up in 1942.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Xavier_Cabrini

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @HA

    “Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero,"

    You're thinking of O'Hare Airport. I think O'Hare's father was some kind of mobbed-up politician, while the son was a pilot who died heroically early in the war.

    Replies: @fnn

  73. @Mike Zwick
    One thing that is not mentioned in all of this is that gentrification in Chicago really began in the 1940s with the Chicago Plan Commission. That group was set up by city business leaders to try and find a way to stop the middle class from leaving the city. They came up with a plan to clear out slums and redevelop the areas in the mode of Le Corbusier, i.e. a lot of redundant high rise apartments with grassy areas in between. Some of these developments were successful, such as Sandburg Village which had a large part in spurring the gentrification of Lincoln Park and Old Town. Others, such as Lake Meadows were not as successful as they were located areas that were ugly and not too desirable and the buildings themselves left something to be desired. Another part of all of this though was the development of the vertical slum high rises, such as Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor Homes. Prior to this public housing was just low level apartment buildings built in between existing buildings, such as Marshall Field Homes and the Green Homes part of Cabrini Green. There is a claim that these new high rise developments were built in a way to separate white areas from black areas, further segregating the city. This may be accurate and it may have saved some areas, Little Italy on the West Side ( The University of IL, also a part of the Plan and Le Corbusier like in design, helped this area too.) Old Town and Lincoln Park on the North Side, and the Daley stronghold of Bridgeport on the South Side, from changing racially. Ultimately, although the public housing failed, the gist of the plan succeeded as Chicago din not become Detroit and I feel that the gentrification now being seen in cities across the country got its start with what happened in Chicago in the 40's http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1295.html

    Replies: @Observer, @Hibernian

    Re the “the Daley stronghold of Bridgeport” – that is now a classic example of “integration without blacks.” It is about equally divided between old-style ethnic whites, Mexicans, and Chinese. These groups seem to get along pretty well on the whole.

    There are other such places in the city, the hipster enclave Logan Square being one (white + Hispanic).

  74. Why, isn’t it funny- I always make money
    When off’ring compass’nate assistance?
    Though oft, when I’m kind, I bizarrely will find my
    Benevolent schemes meet resistance!

    But still I stay selfless, assisting the helpless
    (My profits, admittedly, ample);
    Ignoring the hateful, small-minded, ungrateful
    Poor slobs whose hick towns, I must trample.

    I oughtn’t be blamed- rather they should be shamed,
    For racistly loving their hamlets.
    Don’t say that I’m brutal; just sadly, it’s crucial
    To break eggs for an altruist omelette.

  75. Looks like this only applies for locales that take HUD grants. Does anyone know how many communities actually do?

  76. When they ripped out the housing projects in New Brunswick,NJ, they relocated some of the Section 8 people into a garden apartment complex in Sayreville, NJ that is literally in the middle of a swampy area in safe walking distance of nothing (look at Winding Wood Drive, Sayerville, NJ on Google Maps satellite view). It was a nice, safe, quiet, and affordable working & lower middle class commuter place to live for singles, couples, and people with families until…

    http://www.nj.com/news/local/index.ssf/2009/08/officials_offer_little_to_sayr.html

  77. I do, however, think a lot can be learned from the Gautreaux Project with respect to assimilation, breaking bad culture clusters, and selecting candidates willing to change the cycle of failure.

  78. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Once upon a time people in LA, Washington, Chicago and New York decided there was a too many white people problem.

    That problem was solved by importing black people to make their schools unsafe so they all moved away.

    Now black people are no longer needed they are being replaced by equally low paid but less aggressive hispanics.

  79. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    OT but somewhat related - This happened near my neighborhood on Sunday:
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fatal-shooting-in-hollywood-20150706-story.html

    At least they mention that the killer was black (and wearing a hoodie - imagine the racism of mentioning that!). No national coverage as far as I can tell, even though this happened in a major tourist area. Does the next step of the "knock-out game" involve shotguns? The comments to the LA Times article seem to indicate that more than a few people are fed up with anti-white media bias.

    Replies: @anon

    Straight up race murders like this – especially of blonde women – will become increasingly common as white people become a minority and the minority of non-whites who have always had a buried but seething resentment of white success take their opportunity for revenge.

    This process will be greatly inflamed by the media.

  80. @HA
    @Hanoi Paris Hilton

    "Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero,..."

    The Cabrini in question was Sr. Frances Xavier Cabrini, the Italian-born nun whose Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart of Jesus ministered to poor Italian immigrants (the original residents of what would come to be known as Cabrini-Green). She died in 1917 and was canonized in 1946. The first rowhouses went up in 1942.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Xavier_Cabrini

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero,”

    You’re thinking of O’Hare Airport. I think O’Hare’s father was some kind of mobbed-up politician, while the son was a pilot who died heroically early in the war.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, Mother Cabrini is a Catholic saint and William Green was a labor bureaucrat. A different America.

  81. @Steve Sailer
    @HA

    “Cabrini was an Italian-American WW2 hero,"

    You're thinking of O'Hare Airport. I think O'Hare's father was some kind of mobbed-up politician, while the son was a pilot who died heroically early in the war.

    Replies: @fnn

    Yeah, Mother Cabrini is a Catholic saint and William Green was a labor bureaucrat. A different America.

  82. @Bill

    In contrast, unworldly America had allowed the term “inner city” to become a synonym for poverty, public housing, welfare, and crime.
     
    This slippage into the passive voice always signifies something. What you are supposed to take away from this passage is that the blackification of the inner city Rust Belt was the unavoidable outcome of some impersonal forces. It just kinda happened. You know, while we weren't paying attention.

    But it didn't just kinda happen. It was planned and intentional. It's just that the culprits in this conspiracy aren't official bad guys around here. They were WASP industrialists. See here.

    As commenters above have alluded to, Cabrini-Green was used to destroy an Italian neighborhood in Chicago by importing lots of blacks to it. It started out as Cabrini (the Italian name signifying who was supposed to live there). The Green got added later as the second half of a bait-and-switch pulled on the Italians. It is covered in some detail in the book I linked.

    Replies: @fnn

    It’s just that the culprits in this conspiracy aren’t official bad guys around here.

    But it’s funny that the guy who wrote that book you linked to later became known as a notorious anti-Semite or “anti-Semite.”

    • Replies: @Bill
    @fnn

    Yeah, he's an anti-semite because of this book and this book.

    That's the thing with noticing. First, you notice blacks aren't that bright; then you notice the WASPs are out to get you; and then you notice the Jews are out to get you. E Michael Jones, to my knowledge, only hints at the first of these three things. Once you grok that ethnicity is actually important, it changes the way you see the world. It is, by the way, why the Jews are right to hate on Jared Taylor even though he loves on them. Even if he is not an anti-semite (and I think he is not), he manufactures potential anti-semites by waking people up to the possibilities of ethnic analysis.

  83. @Anonymous
    France was effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward. Parisians didn't have to worry about nuclear attack in the same way as people living in big American cities. Adopting the 'Paris model' of urban development is something that has only became possible for Americans since the 1990s.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    “France was effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward.”

    Its weird that people still believe that, as if France would have just been totally OK with a Soviet take-over. The reality of the situation, was that the French military wasn’t going to expend itself trying to prevent the USSR from forcibly re-uniting the two Germanys. But they were going to defend France tooth-and-nail. And isn’t that what the French army is for, after all? I suspect any Soviet armored divisions that crossed the Rhine, would have gotten nuked (and that the Soviet leadership would’ve been told this in advance). France might have even seized upon the crisis, as an excuse to re-occupy the Rhineland (the local Germans would’ve doubtless been very grateful not to be under the Soviet yoke).

    Yes, I’m aware that DeGaulle kicked the U.S. military out of France, and declined to participate in NATO war games. To extrapolate from those facts, that France was “effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward,” is nonsense.

    • Replies: @Kauai
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    85.
    French people told me that they represented a third way and, with a straight face, that their 'force de frappe' was what kept the USA and the USSR at arm's (or arms!) length. They didn't have viable delivery methods for their nuclear arms, and bristled at the suggestion that those involved Peugeot bicycles. De Gaulle acted out various fits of pique at being excluded from the Big Three talks, and French school children got to read a lot of propaganda about that in their so-called English texts. Nonetheless, older French people were genuinely grateful for their Allies both across the Channel and across the Pond.

  84. @anonymous-antimarxist

    But, but Daley is a democrat. He would never do that to the most loyal democratic voters.
     
    Sorry but Hispanics have proven to be far more loyal and less contentious Democrats than Blacks and on average a far better impact on real estate values.

    Daley has been behind the wholesale replacement of Chicago Blacks with Hispanics since Luis Gutierrez backed his mayoral candidacy in 1989. Puerto Rican Slick Luis got his reward with his notorious "ear muff" extremely safe seat in 1992. This effectively ended Chicago's post Harold Washington "Council Wars" era.

    The next big hurdle for Rahm Emanuel and IL Dems (ie TWMNBN) is to engineer the replacement of one of Chicago's black congressional seats with a compliant Mexican one. Jesús "Chuy" García??? Keep one's rivals/enemies closer???

    If this next decade is any like the former in terms of Chicago losing Blacks and replacing them with Hispanics and Asians, that it be a done deal soon. Look at maps of Chicago's demographic change in the last couple of decades. The goal is to slowly squeeze the black underclass away from the South Lakefront by replacing them with Asians and Hispanics. Build lots of new high rises along the south lakefront, give the Hispanics a cut of the construction jobs.

    Next move will be to put Emanuel in the Senate where he will someday fill Chuck Schumer's shoes a decade from now. Emanuel's goal is to be the power behind the scene as White America becomes the minority.

    Chicago's black aldermen thought they were really sticking it to Whitey when they voted to make Chicago a sanctuary city under Mayor Washington. Had they only known it spelled Black Chicago's demise.

    Replies: @Observer, @Hibernian

    Black neighborhoods being gentrified on the South Side are for the most part being gentrified by middle class blacks.

  85. @Mike Zwick
    One thing that is not mentioned in all of this is that gentrification in Chicago really began in the 1940s with the Chicago Plan Commission. That group was set up by city business leaders to try and find a way to stop the middle class from leaving the city. They came up with a plan to clear out slums and redevelop the areas in the mode of Le Corbusier, i.e. a lot of redundant high rise apartments with grassy areas in between. Some of these developments were successful, such as Sandburg Village which had a large part in spurring the gentrification of Lincoln Park and Old Town. Others, such as Lake Meadows were not as successful as they were located areas that were ugly and not too desirable and the buildings themselves left something to be desired. Another part of all of this though was the development of the vertical slum high rises, such as Cabrini Green and Robert Taylor Homes. Prior to this public housing was just low level apartment buildings built in between existing buildings, such as Marshall Field Homes and the Green Homes part of Cabrini Green. There is a claim that these new high rise developments were built in a way to separate white areas from black areas, further segregating the city. This may be accurate and it may have saved some areas, Little Italy on the West Side ( The University of IL, also a part of the Plan and Le Corbusier like in design, helped this area too.) Old Town and Lincoln Park on the North Side, and the Daley stronghold of Bridgeport on the South Side, from changing racially. Ultimately, although the public housing failed, the gist of the plan succeeded as Chicago din not become Detroit and I feel that the gentrification now being seen in cities across the country got its start with what happened in Chicago in the 40's http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/1295.html

    Replies: @Observer, @Hibernian

    From 1955-1965 flight to the suburbs was at its peak and even on the genteel North Side there was only a thin ribbon of gentility on the lake front.

  86. @Mike Zwick
    @Hibernian

    He might be talking about the extension of LSD to Hollywood in the 50's.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Gotcha. Let’s make it clear that LSD in this context means Lake Shore Drive and Hollywood is Hollywood Avenue (or Street, I’m not totally sure which one is right.)

    • Replies: @Kauai
    @Hibernian

    88.
    Randy Newman loved LA and would tell you that the famous thoroughfare is Hollywood Boulevard.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

  87. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Anonymous

    "France was effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward."

    Its weird that people still believe that, as if France would have just been totally OK with a Soviet take-over. The reality of the situation, was that the French military wasn't going to expend itself trying to prevent the USSR from forcibly re-uniting the two Germanys. But they were going to defend France tooth-and-nail. And isn't that what the French army is for, after all? I suspect any Soviet armored divisions that crossed the Rhine, would have gotten nuked (and that the Soviet leadership would've been told this in advance). France might have even seized upon the crisis, as an excuse to re-occupy the Rhineland (the local Germans would've doubtless been very grateful not to be under the Soviet yoke).

    Yes, I'm aware that DeGaulle kicked the U.S. military out of France, and declined to participate in NATO war games. To extrapolate from those facts, that France was "effectively neutral in the Cold War from the mid-1960s onward," is nonsense.

    Replies: @Kauai

    85.
    French people told me that they represented a third way and, with a straight face, that their ‘force de frappe’ was what kept the USA and the USSR at arm’s (or arms!) length. They didn’t have viable delivery methods for their nuclear arms, and bristled at the suggestion that those involved Peugeot bicycles. De Gaulle acted out various fits of pique at being excluded from the Big Three talks, and French school children got to read a lot of propaganda about that in their so-called English texts. Nonetheless, older French people were genuinely grateful for their Allies both across the Channel and across the Pond.

  88. @Hibernian
    @Mike Zwick

    Gotcha. Let's make it clear that LSD in this context means Lake Shore Drive and Hollywood is Hollywood Avenue (or Street, I'm not totally sure which one is right.)

    Replies: @Kauai

    88.
    Randy Newman loved LA and would tell you that the famous thoroughfare is Hollywood Boulevard.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    @Kauai

    Aliotta Haynes & Jeremiah would tell you that it is a street on the far North Side of Chicago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Shore_Drive_(song)

  89. @SFG
    Maybe it's because I'm a city dweller by birth, but...he's the mayor of Chicago. He made Chicago better. Isn't that his job?

    Seems like it's a Who? Whom? thing, or 'who gets stuck with the hot NAM potato'. Can you think of any objective reason city or country people should get stuck with these people? Heck, I could argue they should ship them all to high-income tracts in the South--they're the guys who were too lazy to pick their own cotton!

    Replies: @Realist, @pyrrhus

    As a Chicagoan, I can state that Daley did NOT make Chicago better, he drove it into bankruptcy with a succession of showy but useless projects that came in 500% above budget, with the usual insiders pocketing the difference. He sold the parking meter revenues for 75 years for a small fraction of what he should have gotten, and that money is already gone….he was a disaster.

  90. @Kauai
    @Hibernian

    88.
    Randy Newman loved LA and would tell you that the famous thoroughfare is Hollywood Boulevard.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

    Aliotta Haynes & Jeremiah would tell you that it is a street on the far North Side of Chicago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Shore_Drive_(song)

  91. dogs have fleas, Chicagoans have the Daley. I truly believe that if Daley had lost the 1955 election chicago by more would have hosted the world’s fair and the Olympics. The Daleys have a pattern.
    THEY DRIVE OUT THE LAW BIDDING WHITES. White people want honest government. Furthermore, they can organize. There replaced by new people would are dependable voters. Richard J. imported blacks from the south; Richard M. imported Mexicans.
    CRIME INCREASES. The record number of homicides happen under Richard J. while Richard M. had many years where the number of murders exceeded or came close to NYC’s total. We have have half the population than NYC.
    THE POPULATION GOES DOWN. Richard J. was elected as the mayor of the second largest city. He died the mayor of the third. Our present population is shrinking and Huston may pass us soon.
    SNOW REMOVAL IS TERRIBLE. Milwaukee gets the same amount of snowfall as Chicago. They are cleared in less than a day. We are often paralyzed for a week. This is because half of our payrollers are ghosts.
    RICHARD M IS A CRIMINAL . He tore up Miegs field at midnight. He committed at least 13 different felonies. Can you name one American politician who plan mass murder?
    THE NEWS MEDIA LOVES THEM. Both Daleys are loved by the media and they protect them.
    BAD PLANNING. The Daleys waste money. No one wanted iron fences around our parks. They were not needed. Millieum park was forced on us and the costs of maintaining it are heavy. We had a chance to rebuild Soldier’s field into an Olympic size stadium with a dome roof. We could have hosted the Super bowl and college games. Instead, we have the smallest staium in the NFL.
    We like how tourists like our flowers. They never have to pay the heavy taxes that we have to pay. I tell city employees I know to look at the flower pots and tell that their pensions are paying for those plants.
    Chicagoans are lucky that we had Jane Byrne. We saved us from the wreckage of Richard J. and made the city so strong that Richard M. Could not destroy.
    To 27) Hiberian: The people rebuilt this city, but that is another story.
    We Chicagoians had articles like this

  92. @fnn
    @Bill


    It’s just that the culprits in this conspiracy aren’t official bad guys around here.
     
    But it's funny that the guy who wrote that book you linked to later became known as a notorious anti-Semite or "anti-Semite."

    Replies: @Bill

    Yeah, he’s an anti-semite because of this book and this book.

    That’s the thing with noticing. First, you notice blacks aren’t that bright; then you notice the WASPs are out to get you; and then you notice the Jews are out to get you. E Michael Jones, to my knowledge, only hints at the first of these three things. Once you grok that ethnicity is actually important, it changes the way you see the world. It is, by the way, why the Jews are right to hate on Jared Taylor even though he loves on them. Even if he is not an anti-semite (and I think he is not), he manufactures potential anti-semites by waking people up to the possibilities of ethnic analysis.

  93. @Lot
    @asdf


    I get that you’re teasing. But, are you saying things were better that way? It sucked in a lot of ways, no?

    Not saying you are wrong, but where is it now worse than it was in the 80/90′s? (You might have posted this and I missed it. I ask sincerely.)
     
    Quite likely S.S. thinks gentrified Manhattan, central Los Angeles, etc are better now than in the 1980's. Hipsters and happy rich people out for a stroll is a better crowd than junkies and gang-bangers. Trendy restaurants and coffee shops are better than decrepit auto repair shops and liquor stores that sell crack pipes behind thick bulletproof glass.

    Now what I think would be refreshing is rather than condemn the policies of some urban liberals like Rahm, Daley, and Bloomberg as hypocritical, look at them specifically on their merits, and recommend the policy if it passes muster. "I agree with you, but I want to point out your are a hypocrite who betrays his own values by agreeing with me" is not a good way to persuade.

    So looking specifically at liberal-hypocrite Mayor Daley's policy on the merits, is it a good thing to have people with no special skills and low socioeconomic capital right in the middle of Chicago, the economic center of interior North America?

    Chicago's potential as a great city was hampered by having right around its dense center, which was built, at huge expense, with infrastructure to handle this density, like its triple-decker Wacker Drive streets, a population that had no particular reason to be there. Chicago's old housing project residents and slum-dwellers were demoralized by their complete inability to earn a market wage that pays the cost of living without public subsidy. And they placed high costs on the more than three million people who lived closeby.

    There are a lot fewer problems for them cause in rural areas, declining suburbs, and old industrial small towns, many of which were losing population for years and have affordable housing. It just makes sense that if somebody is going to rely on the government, they should not live in an area with a high cost of living and a high demand for housing by those who work and pay taxes and need to live a reasonable distance from work, and may need safe and clean mass transit. A run down north-central Illinois town that has lost half its population and is full of $15,000 houses is a natural place for the government to provide housing to the poor of Illinois. That's a smart policy that combines the humanity of the left and the free market principles of the right.

    The Dallas and Londistan policy of giving unemployed people a lot of money to live in ritzy neighborhoods is crazy of course. It is an outrage to working people who can't afford to live where those on the dole are being put up for free. These taxpayers work hard to support themselves in modest digs, and there is also something random and stupid about giving one poor family a ton of money, leaving nothing for many others, and taxing the middle class to pay for it. For the most part, that isn't a problem with Section 8, which is not that generous in Illinois, though it is horrible that Obama wants to expand the Dallas "rich zip code" plan.

    Replies: @Lackawanna

    “That’s a smart policy that combines the humanity of the left and the free market principles of the right.”

    You could say that about the entire anti-white agenda.

  94. I wonder if this policy of redistributing the blacks all throughout nice white areas will affect real estate prices. The price of a suburban mcmansion in Columbus, OH, for instance, reflects not just the amount of building materials and work that went into the physical house itself. Although the mcmansion has only twice the square footage of a house in a more vibrant neighborhood, it has 4 or 5 times the price. If the owner of that mcmansion’s neighborhood suddenly gets some government mandated diversity in his neighborhood, property value goes down. If that happens on a massive scale, could we have another real estate bubble bursting? After all, the increasing housing prices of the shrinking number of areas with almost all whites (due to Whites heading towards minority-status) is itself a kind of bubble. Think of how expensive it is to live in a white urban area with good schools now compared to decades ago. I guess it all depends on how many minorities a neighborhood can have before they reach critical mass and turn it into a shit hole.

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