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City Journal runs an article I’ve long been looking forward to: exactly how suburban Oak Park, Illinois (where my father grew up) managed to avoid getting destroyed by tipping from all white to all black like Oak Park’s neighbor, the Austin neighborhood of Chicago (where my wife grew up).

In Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went for the Quick Killing of flipping the whole place from white to black, pocketing commissions on every house on a block in a couple of years, and often two sales: white to middle class black to underclass black. (Of course, they drove down property values so much that they must have paid some kind of price for ruining their neighborhood in the long run, but they made the Big Score in the short run.

So, Oak Park took a number of steps to rein in realtors, many of them sensible but likely illegal. And managed to stabilize the demographics of Oak Park for the last several decades. What’s interesting is that all the social engineering is still going on to maintain that stability.

Can We Manage to Integrate?

Chicago suburb Oak Park’s effort to achieve racial balance counsels skepticism about engineered diversity.

William Voegeli
Summer 2022 The Social Order

… One of the most durable and, by its own standards, successful efforts to achieve a stable integrated community can be found in Oak Park, Illinois, a suburb of some 55,000 residents abutting Chicago’s border, eight miles west of the Loop. Oak Park was 99 percent white in 1970, but blacks accounted for 11 percent of its residents in 1980 and 18.5 percent by 1990. Based on the pattern established in many other Chicago neighborhoods and suburbs, as well as in communities across the country, Oak Park should have been poised for “white flight,” as the black population’s growth reached a “tipping point” that saw the slow departure of whites turn into a rush for the exits. Instead, Oak Park’s demographics have changed only slightly. In 2021, the village’s population was 18.4 percent black. … The modest decline in Oak Park’s white population, from 76.9 percent in 1990 to 66.1 percent in 2021, corresponds to a rising number of Hispanic and Asian residents.

To achieve this degree of integration and then sustain it for decades is as unusual in northeastern Illinois as it is throughout the United States. You won’t find it anywhere in Oak Park’s immediate vicinity, which is made up of other communities that were also nearly all-white for most of the twentieth century. An adjacent village, River Forest, remains 83 percent white and 7 percent black. Cicero and Berwyn, to Oak Park’s south, are now predominantly Hispanic, with small minorities of non-Hispanic whites and even smaller ones of non-Hispanic blacks. Just west of Oak Park, Maywood and Bellwood have large African-American majorities, as does Austin, the Chicago neighborhood immediately east of Oak Park, which is 84 percent black and 4 percent white.

Austin’s transformation from middle-class and predominantly white (more than 99 percent white in 1960) to poor and predominantly black (over 86 percent black in 1990) was the proximate cause of Oak Park’s decision to confront and control its demographic change. “Reconsidering the Oak Park Strategy,” an academic paper written in 2002 by Evan McKenzie, a political scientist, and Jay Ruby, an anthropologist, states: “The 1970s witnessed classic block-by-block resegregation in Austin, an event that had enormous psychological impact on Oak Parkers.” As a result, “Austin became a negative example for many Oak Parkers, who were determined to chart a different course.”

That course became “managed integration,” also known as “integration maintenance” or “intentional integration.” The policy was carried out by the village government, advisory boards, civic groups, and, above all, the nonprofit Oak Park Regional Housing Center (OPRHC), created in 1972. The goal was to assist people seeking to move into Oak Park, especially blacks, while reassuring those thinking about leaving Oak Park, especially whites.

Beyond stabilizing Oak Park’s demographic profile to resemble closely that of the Chicago metropolitan area, the managed integration program worked to prevent the emergence of any predominantly black or white neighborhoods within the suburb. As J. Robert Breymaier, executive director of OPRHC from 2006 to 2018, has written, the goal is to encourage as many relocations as possible that will “sustain or improve the integration of a particular building or block.” McKenzie and Ruby observed that 81 percent of Oak Park’s blocks had at least one black family in 2000. This is, they say, “an achievement that few communities have realized.” It is also, however, an effort consistent with writer Steve Sailer’s derisive opinion that managed integration amounts to making sure that there is “one black per block” but as few as possible in excess of that.

I wouldn’t say my opinion of Oak Park’s black-a-block racial quota was derisive. I concluded, “I can recall reading about Oak Park’s “black-a-block” quota in a newsmagazine, probably Newsweek in 1988. As a young idealist, I was totally against racial discrimination. Yet, having taken my father and uncle to visit their boyhood home, driving through the endless desolation of un-quotaed Austin only to suddenly arrive in suburban paradise as imagined by F.L. Wright in Oak Park … well, maybe there are worse things than racial quotas …”

Initially, Oak Park’s managed integration effort focused on homeowners, seeking simultaneously to encourage “fair housing”—a nondiscriminatory real-estate market—and discourage white flight. To keep the sight of For Sale signs on lawns from triggering panic selling, as had occurred in Austin and other Chicago neighborhoods, Oak Park prohibited them. A 1977 Supreme Court ruling held that such bans violated the First Amendment, but because no Oak Park real-estate agent has challenged it in court, the prohibition remains in effect as a practical matter.

My conspiracy theory is that Oak Park’s many no doubt illegal policies are almost never challenged in court and seldom even mentioned in the newspapers because The Powers That Be would prefer not to see America’s most architecturally famous suburban housing stock reduced to ruin.

Oak Park also offered, beginning in 1978, the Equity Assurance Program, an insurance policy providing protection from housing-market changes related to integration. In Chicago neighborhoods that had resegregated, either the fact or fear of demographic change had led many homeowners to sell at a loss. The Equity Assurance Program guaranteed policyholders that they would be compensated if they found themselves selling their home at a price below what they paid for it.

Perhaps the best evidence for the success of Oak Park’s effort to stabilize integration is that no claims have ever been made under this insurance program. Instead, property values rose steadily as Oak Park became one of the most affluent suburbs in western Cook County. Breymaier writes that diversity is among Oak Park’s “core values,” central to its “identity and sense of place,” as well as the village’s “brand.” Integration, in this view, is sustained by a virtuous circle: it draws people of all ethnicities who value life in a diverse community, and then gives them a stake in preserving it. The steadily climbing property values, in turn, guarantee that homeowners of any ethnicity are likely to be upper-middle-class professionals with compatible outlooks and concerns.

Oak Park these days is pretty gay, presumably attracted by the fabulous aesthetics.

By the time McKenzie and Ruby examined Oak Park’s managed integration program, nearly 30 years after its inception, it had “become so complicated that few Oak Parkers fully understand it.” There’s nothing esoteric about a crucial element, however. Oak Park is an older inner-ring suburb, unlike those around the country that saw subdivisions of single-family homes spring up in the years after World War II. As a result, it has fewer homeowners and more renters than most suburbs. Breymaier reports that when the managed integration effort began in the 1970s, half of Oak Park’s residential units were rental properties; 40 percent remain so. Most of these rental units are apartments in small buildings, managed by “mom-and-pop” landlords who own, at most, a handful of additional apartment buildings.

The city government has used sticks, such as building inspections and the threat of fines, and carrots, including loans and other financial benefits, to motivate landlords to use OPRHC as their rental agent. Through the city’s Diversity Assurance Program (DAP), for example, owners of apartment buildings can receive low-interest loans to make upgrades in exchange for a five-year commitment to do business with OPRHC. In addition, McKenzie and Ruby write, DAP “pays the owner rent for leaving apartments empty until a tenant of the proper race can be found—i.e., a white tenant for a predominantly black building, or a black tenant for one that is predominantly white.”

Breymaier estimates that OPRHC brokered 40 percent of the leases signed in Oak Park over the five years from 2010 through 2014. OPRHC, in turn, engages in “affirmative escorting” or “reverse steering” when an apartment-seeker contacts it to inquire about vacancies. A 1988 Chicago Reader article on Bobbie Raymond, OPRHC’s founder, described the goal less clinically: for clients to end up in “appropriate apartments.” That is, “whites are usually given listings on the east side of the village, next to Chicago’s mostly black Austin neighborhood.” Blacks, conversely, “are sent to white neighborhoods in the center and west of Oak Park, or referred to other suburbs with newer housing.”

In other words, some blacks are steered clear out of town. Presumably, the OPRHC cherry picks the more desirable blacks for Oak Park. At my old employer, it wasn’t uncommon for black secretaries to rent in Oak Park.

Breymaier calculates that 68 percent of relocations that OPRHC facilitates are “affirmative moves”—ones that increase a block’s or a building’s racial integration. By his estimation, only 25 percent of relocations taking place on the open market, without OPRHC involvement, are affirmative moves.

Managed integration operates in a gray area. As Breymaier carefully stipulates, “Landlords do not have the same legal ability to engage in integration activity that the nonprofit and property-free Housing Center enjoys.” Translated, this means that an Oak Park landlord would invite endless trouble by rejecting an application from a tenant of the “wrong” racial or ethnic group. OPRHC, by contrast, has spent 50 years telling clients, based on their race, that they should consider this neighborhood rather than that one, and has done so without incurring lawsuits or bad publicity. “It is through direct, face-to-face conversation that OPRHC addresses irrational fears, provides missing information, replaces myths and stereotypes with facts, and engages in gentle persuasion to consider new options,” in Breymaier’s account of the coaching process. “This results in a much different housing search than would occur without OPRHC.”

Its long-term success in stabilizing integration makes Oak Park an exception. But what rule does it prove? It’s clear to Breymaier that, because managed integration has bequeathed “strong and stable property values” and “a foundation for community harmony,” Oak Park has “provided a replicable model for other communities.”

If this is true, why have only a few other places tried the Oak Park strategy, and why has none replicated its success?

 
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  1. Article; “Can we integrate?”

    WE!? You got a mouse in your pocket?

    Have at it, stay away from me and mine.

    • Replies: @Ebony Obelisk
    @ATate

    Sucks for you that white girls crave the touch of Black Men.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Polistra, @ATate

  2. My cousin and her husband left Oak Park not long after their kids graduated fron college.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    My cousin and her husband left Oak Park not long after their kids graduated fron college.
     
    And...?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @J.Ross
    @Hibernian

    Fron college is where kids acquire fern mastery.

    , @JimDandy
    @Hibernian

    Oak Park is probably the GoodWhites capital of greater Chicagoland.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  3. In Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went

    Wait, isn’t Realtor a trademark, not a generic? Never mind orthographical correctness, are you asking for legal trouble?

    Oak Park’s many no doubt illegal policies are almost never challenged in court and seldom even mentioned in the newspapers…

    Similarly, when have you ever seen a gun shop hauled into court for discrimination? “I don’t feel right about this sale” is a get-out-of-jail-free card.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar


    Wait, isn’t Realtor a trademark
     
    When and if realtors clean up their collective act, they can start dictating how to use language to the rest of us.

    The Powers That Be would prefer not to see America’s most architecturally famous suburban housing stock reduced to ruin.
     
    NB: it's hard, very hard, to find white people in the year 2022 who have even a passing acquaintance with (much less knowledge of) architecture. Nonetheless they are by far your best shot.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @keypusher
    @Reg Cæsar

    Also, what exactly is unscrupulous about someone warning you that you're about to lose 90% of the value of your home? Not sure I'm remembering my iSteve history correctly, but Steve, wouldn't it have been better for your father-in-law if someone had persuaded him to get out of Chicago sooner?

    The really astounding thing about this article is how much patient, detailed planning strategizing, funding etc. plus the perfect concatenation of circumstances identified in the full article (definitely worth reading) to make long-term residential integration work.

  4. @Hibernian
    My cousin and her husband left Oak Park not long after their kids graduated fron college.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    My cousin and her husband left Oak Park not long after their kids graduated fron college.

    And…?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    Despite the policy we're discussing, OP is declining, albeit slowly.

    Replies: @Bill

  5. OT — Transgenderizing surgeon blithely admits that medically abusing confused kids early enough guarantees they will never orgasm. Law school graduates remind us that there is no legal way to hang this person and anyway the real problem is white rage.
    https://thepostmillennial.com/gender-affirming-surgeon-admits-children-who-undergo-transition-before-puberty-never-attain-sexual-satisfaction

    • Replies: @Bill
    @J.Ross

    LOL. That's a great argument for degenerate Murka. Cutting your kids genitals off is wrong because they'll never orgasm if you do. Bet it doesn't work, though.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  6. @Hibernian
    My cousin and her husband left Oak Park not long after their kids graduated fron college.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    Fron college is where kids acquire fern mastery.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  7. In Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went for the Quick Killing of flipping the whole place from white to black, pocketing commissions on every house on a block in a couple of years, and often two sales: white to middle class black to underclass black.

    And then bombing strikes by B-5… eh, Chicago Urban Renewal was implemented to give us the sweet sunflowers and humming birds SWPL.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Stalin


    And then bombing strikes by B-5… eh, Chicago Urban Renewal...
     
    Are you sure you're not thinking of Philadelphia? Where the bombing was literal:


    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Fm7HopjyaAtV3PazJNdFu6gMesY=/1400x788/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/18370502/AP_96062002423.jpg

    https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/pmiEGCDK38w43qSe7LTYcVJicKk=/760x507/smart/filters:format(webp)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/pmn/D4KONLTSAJAUJHQZWW7M77KVMU.jpg


    https://whyy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/goode_sign_protest_XC_071920_01.jpg

  8. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:

    Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went for the Quick Killing of flipping the whole place from white to black, pocketing commissions on every house on a block in a couple of years

    Steve, you need to include an explanation of why this was (suddenly?) an opportunity. How were blacks able to outbid whites (who presumably had more to spend)? Why the late 1960s? Why Austin?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous


    How were blacks able to outbid whites (who presumably had more to spend)?
     
    I think the idea is that it was a "self-fulfilling prophesy" situation. Once a couple blacks move in a "there goes the neighborhood" sentiment starts up. The whites go into panic selling mode, which crashes the price and makes the area affordable to poorer blacks, who start moving in . . . Then a couple blacks move into the next block over . . . rinse and repeat. Next thing you know, it's the ghetto. (Until hipsters and gays start moving back 50 years later and then it gentrifies in the reverse process as prices go up.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @International Jew
    @Anonymous

    No blacks need to outbid any whites. It's enough for white landlords — later slumlords — to buy from departing white homeowners.

  9. My neighborhood tried to keep out the riff raff in the 80s with a nationally-registered historic district, whose rules prevented me from having an attached garage and enclosing my flaking exposed eaves. Twenty-five years after I started, I still haven’t finished scraping old paint, but the wood siding is done and looks good–from a distance. There was a crack house around the corner in the 90s–in sight of police HQ.

    Property values have risen quite a bit, but the whole town was in the dumps in the 70s and early 80s. Two decades ago, they changed the zoning to prevent new apartment houses, but it was also a disincentive for existing landlords to keep their houses up, since they would have to rebuild as single-family if there was a major loss. There was a fatal fire on the next block over two years ago, and the ruin is still standing. Last year, someone avoided the zoning reg somehow and put 4 luxury 900+ sqft apts in an empty house. The advertised rent was very high, but they’re occupied. The old apt house next to it looks very shabby.

  10. whites are usually given listings on the east side of the village, next to Chicago’s mostly black Austin neighborhood.” Blacks, conversely, “are sent to white neighborhoods in the center and west of Oak Park, or referred to other suburbs with newer housing.”

    Very clever. They built a Great White Wall up against Austin and then sprinkled the “right kind” of blacks around the town so that no one area would become “tipping point” black.

    They could get away with this because, as a city project, the realtor cartel is exempt from anti-trust laws. And because all the “diversity” and “integration” happy talk made it look like the cartel’s policies were politically correct. The key is that the people actually running the program know the score, and that it doesn’t get captured by outside wokesters. Congratulations to Oak Park for pulling it off.

    It reminds me a bit of LA’s Magnet School program that tried to keep enough white kids in the public schools for them to be “integrated.” It mostly resulted in sending white kids to the better magnet programs. But somehow all the integration happy talk made that ok.

    • Replies: @Allain
    @Hypnotoad666

    Yes. The "happy talk" protects the left flank. On the property owner side, we have:

    "The city government has used sticks, such as building inspections and the threat of fines, and carrots, including loans and other financial benefits, to motivate landlords to use OPRHC as their rental agent."

    I especially like the "sticks" such as building inspection and the threat of fines. I wonder how that works? Does some guy show up one day at the landlord's office and, in a slightly threatening tone says, "Nice little apartment you've got here. It would be a shame if an inspection were to happen to it. What you really need is some protection. Now my friend the OPRHC can help you...of course, there will be a price."

  11. @Joe Stalin

    In Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went for the Quick Killing of flipping the whole place from white to black, pocketing commissions on every house on a block in a couple of years, and often two sales: white to middle class black to underclass black.
     
    And then bombing strikes by B-5... eh, Chicago Urban Renewal was implemented to give us the sweet sunflowers and humming birds SWPL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db6d64p8iOo

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And then bombing strikes by B-5… eh, Chicago Urban Renewal…

    Are you sure you’re not thinking of Philadelphia? Where the bombing was literal:

    [MORE]


  12. @Anonymous

    Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went for the Quick Killing of flipping the whole place from white to black, pocketing commissions on every house on a block in a couple of years
     
    Steve, you need to include an explanation of why this was (suddenly?) an opportunity. How were blacks able to outbid whites (who presumably had more to spend)? Why the late 1960s? Why Austin?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @International Jew

    How were blacks able to outbid whites (who presumably had more to spend)?

    I think the idea is that it was a “self-fulfilling prophesy” situation. Once a couple blacks move in a “there goes the neighborhood” sentiment starts up. The whites go into panic selling mode, which crashes the price and makes the area affordable to poorer blacks, who start moving in . . . Then a couple blacks move into the next block over . . . rinse and repeat. Next thing you know, it’s the ghetto. (Until hipsters and gays start moving back 50 years later and then it gentrifies in the reverse process as prices go up.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666


    I think the idea is that it was a “self-fulfilling prophesy” situation. Once a couple blacks move in a “there goes the neighborhood” sentiment starts up.
     
    Okay. The latter part of your story has a logic I can follow. It has some plausibility.

    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process? And why there and then?

    Replies: @Romanian, @Nervous in Stalingrad, @Another Canadian

  13. This is a breathtaking ballet of illegal management, micro and otherwise.

    Like if there were a particularly competent Soviet bureaucratic office somewhere that made the trains run on time and knew where to plant the right crops and where to assign which farmers and how to build the schools and get the right teachers.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Whereismyhandle

    Right. They do something similar in Singapore, but most people live in public housing there and everybody knows the government can do whatever it wants in Singapore, and is usually pretty good at it. Doing it in semi-secret in America is quite a story.

  14. Not too much mystery about how Cicero (directly to the SE of of Oak Park) avoided becoming a black ghetto like Austin. The town was controlled by The Outfit (the Chicago Mafia family) from the days of Al Capone until about 2002. White Collar illegality in Oak Park, Blue Collar illegality in Cicero.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @fnn

    FWIW, I'd feel much safer in a neighborhood run by and for La Cosa Nostra than any place near a locale "socially engineered" by government apparatchiks.

    Though I grant that a large part of my safety would be a simple result of the fact that I don't own too much of interest to the Syndicate.

  15. Anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @Anonymous


    How were blacks able to outbid whites (who presumably had more to spend)?
     
    I think the idea is that it was a "self-fulfilling prophesy" situation. Once a couple blacks move in a "there goes the neighborhood" sentiment starts up. The whites go into panic selling mode, which crashes the price and makes the area affordable to poorer blacks, who start moving in . . . Then a couple blacks move into the next block over . . . rinse and repeat. Next thing you know, it's the ghetto. (Until hipsters and gays start moving back 50 years later and then it gentrifies in the reverse process as prices go up.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I think the idea is that it was a “self-fulfilling prophesy” situation. Once a couple blacks move in a “there goes the neighborhood” sentiment starts up.

    Okay. The latter part of your story has a logic I can follow. It has some plausibility.

    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process? And why there and then?

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Anonymous

    Because the first Blacks to move after desegregation were naturally the ones with the most money. The population may have had lower incomes on average, but that still leads to plenty of very rich people and middling rich people who would like to upgrade their neighbors. Also, suburbanization was in full swing. The Whites also had more options, like going to where land was much cheaper, before they were joined by the flood of white flighters. There was therefore less competition for the inner cities.

    , @Nervous in Stalingrad
    @Anonymous


    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process?
     
    I was led to understand that estate agents developed a tactic to get the process underway.

    The idea was to create the impression that the arrival of black families into a given neighbourhood was imminent. Whether or not they were actually arriving was immaterial: even the thought of one black family arriving shortly could trigger a mass selloff.

    (And, of course, people were anxious to sell while home prices were still relatively high.)

    Anyway, the name of the tactic was "blockbusting" and, as Steve has pointed out, estate agents made an awful lot of money off it and similar schemes.

    Replies: @ArthurBiggs

    , @Another Canadian
    @Anonymous


    Okay. The latter part of your story has a logic I can follow.
     
    It's not about logic, it's real estate. It usually involves wives and kids, not logic. Whisper campaigns amongst well-connected real estate brokers are an unseen force. My broker in a recent sale whispered to other brokers "If your offer doesn't have this number in it, don't bother." You won't see that in the MLS.

    I can easily envisage a 1960s Paul Revere whisper campaign amongst brokers in Austin..."The Coloureds are coming! The Coloureds are coming!"
  16. @ATate
    Article; “Can we integrate?”

    WE!? You got a mouse in your pocket?

    Have at it, stay away from me and mine.

    Replies: @Ebony Obelisk

    Sucks for you that white girls crave the touch of Black Men.

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Quack-a-block

    https://previews.123rf.com/images/stable/stable1305/stable130500010/19562782-yellow-ducks-of-gum-and-one-black.jpg

    , @Polistra
    @Ebony Obelisk

    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-is-eliza-fletcher-white-mother-of-two-white-boys-jogging-inn-64-black-memphis-abducted-and-murdered-by-black-male/

    , @ATate
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Sucks for the tens of thousands of White girls raped EACH year by your blech men.

    Meanwhile the amount of White guys raping your chicken necked weave wearing clap backing grossness is near zero…because we’ll you’re gross.

  17. “…unscrupulous realtors…”
    Anyone in particular?

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    The phrase is redundant, but speaking of mysteries: what is your relation to Bardon Kaldian?

  18. Social Engineers Stable Demographics

    Stable demographics? I approve.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  19. City Journal:

    Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute argued in The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America (2017) that federal policies are the main reason we have housing segregation, by which he means that blacks and whites are far less likely to share a neighborhood than random chance would predict. Such segregation has harmed all Americans, he contends, but especially blacks. Further, only countervailing federal policies can end it, which is urgent because “integration will benefit all of us, white and African American.”

    Rothstein’s proposals for achieving this goal do not lack for audacity. One is for the federal government to purchase, at market rate, houses for sale in suburbs where African-Americans are underrepresented, and then sell them to black buyers at steeply discounted prices. Another calls on Congress to “amend the tax code to deny the mortgage interest deduction” to all homeowners in a suburb where the proportion of black residents falls more than 10 percentage points below the metropolitan average.

    He implicitly acknowledges that a Catch-22 will impede such programs. Such sweeping proposals won’t be politically feasible until a widespread “sense of outrage” exists

    Sense of outrage ?

    I don’t think Mr. Rothstein really Wannsee what could happen…

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Rothstein also said that his scholarly endeavor proved that the entirety of the wealth gap between whites and blacks in America is due to the single fact of redlining. So, all those matters of "habit" and "culture" the rest of us keep noting count for absolutely nothing.

    He was on NPR retailing this crap and (needless to say) the host was breathless in her excitement.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Rothstein’s proposals for achieving this goal do not lack for audacity.
     
    Some peoples have a natural sense of liberty.

    Other peoples are naturally inclined toward wielding bullying state power.

    ~~

    I have a counter suggestion:

    Repeal all the "fair housing" rules and edicts, and free people to make their own decisions. Including, letting communities and neighborhoods--if they so choose--establish whatever standards for joining their community that they choose.

    Let 100--thousand--flowers bloom.

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @guest007
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No one ever points out that more than 2/3 of the housing stock in the U.S. was built after the Fair Housing Act was passed. Most current housing in the U.S. was never redlined. In addition, Mr. Rothstein never mentions population growth and lies, by omission, that current home ownership does not map onto previous homeownership. Mr. Rothstein implies that every white homeowner had a white ancestor that passed down huge amounts of wealthy without expliciting saying it and being caught is a factual lie.

    What is also amazing is the number of progressives who have praised both "The Color of Law" and "The Two-Income Trap" by Elizabeth Warren without noting that the two books contradict each other and cannot be reconciled.

    Replies: @Ed

  20. Can one seriously imagine having to jump through so many hoops on behalf of any other race, in any other place, in any other time?

    Just read the piece with some critical distance. What’s described is surreal.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Colin Wright

    No kidding. This black-a-block thing (and 19% is a lot more than one per block) plus an equal number of Hispanics doesn't sound so great to me; I wouldn't buy there and I sure as hell wouldn't want my kids in the public school that serves that population.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    , @Arclight
    @Colin Wright

    This is the real legacy of slavery - the unbelievable amount of time, effort, and treasure expended annually to deal with a group that represents just 1/8th of the population. It's a tax on society that we will never get rid of.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  21. @Whereismyhandle
    This is a breathtaking ballet of illegal management, micro and otherwise.

    Like if there were a particularly competent Soviet bureaucratic office somewhere that made the trains run on time and knew where to plant the right crops and where to assign which farmers and how to build the schools and get the right teachers.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Right. They do something similar in Singapore, but most people live in public housing there and everybody knows the government can do whatever it wants in Singapore, and is usually pretty good at it. Doing it in semi-secret in America is quite a story.

  22. @Anonymous

    Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went for the Quick Killing of flipping the whole place from white to black, pocketing commissions on every house on a block in a couple of years
     
    Steve, you need to include an explanation of why this was (suddenly?) an opportunity. How were blacks able to outbid whites (who presumably had more to spend)? Why the late 1960s? Why Austin?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @International Jew

    No blacks need to outbid any whites. It’s enough for white landlords — later slumlords — to buy from departing white homeowners.

  23. ‘No blacks need to outbid any whites. It’s enough for white landlords — later slumlords — to buy from departing white homeowners.’

    The central point is that absent white flight, there will be very few sales at all — maybe 5-10% of all the properties will go on the market each year.

    Encourage white flight, and that figure snowballs — there will be twice, three times as many sales per year. Even if the average value of each commission declines, the realtors still come out ahead for a while.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    @Colin Wright

    It's almost as if the civil rights revolution (including desegregation policies) became a means to profit for less than conscientious people. Of course there was also the feel-good grandstanding opportunities the movement provided in addition to the puritanical cleansing of America's Original Sin (rampant contempt for the inherent deficiencies of black folk). After 60+years of banging our heads against the wall in frustration over the embarrassing fact that ordinary blacks saw their quality of life decline considerably in the wake of Civil Rights (while the top 10-20% made off pretty well), we've had a collective mental breakdown arising from George Floyd (a racist's wet dream in his beastliness) of all people being turned into a martyr.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  24. @Reg Cæsar

    In Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went
     
    Wait, isn't Realtor a trademark, not a generic? Never mind orthographical correctness, are you asking for legal trouble?

    Oak Park’s many no doubt illegal policies are almost never challenged in court and seldom even mentioned in the newspapers...
     
    Similarly, when have you ever seen a gun shop hauled into court for discrimination? "I don't feel right about this sale" is a get-out-of-jail-free card.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @keypusher

    Wait, isn’t Realtor a trademark

    When and if realtors clean up their collective act, they can start dictating how to use language to the rest of us.

    The Powers That Be would prefer not to see America’s most architecturally famous suburban housing stock reduced to ruin.

    NB: it’s hard, very hard, to find white people in the year 2022 who have even a passing acquaintance with (much less knowledge of) architecture. Nonetheless they are by far your best shot.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @HammerJack

    I can't say about 2022, but people in Chicago in the 1980s seemed pretty interested in Chicago's architecture, which was likely the second most famous in the country after NYC's. The newspapers regularly referenced the heroes of Chicago architecture like Louis Sullivan and Daniel Burnham.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Reg Cæsar

  25. @fnn
    Not too much mystery about how Cicero (directly to the SE of of Oak Park) avoided becoming a black ghetto like Austin. The town was controlled by The Outfit (the Chicago Mafia family) from the days of Al Capone until about 2002. White Collar illegality in Oak Park, Blue Collar illegality in Cicero.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    FWIW, I’d feel much safer in a neighborhood run by and for La Cosa Nostra than any place near a locale “socially engineered” by government apparatchiks.

    Though I grant that a large part of my safety would be a simple result of the fact that I don’t own too much of interest to the Syndicate.

  26. This is amazing.

    I can’t believe this is allowed.

    Why haven’t black activists sued? Why haven’t black real estate agents sued?

    Why haven’t Jewish people or the ACLU done something about it?

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @As

    Well, not that many people know about it. It'd be mighty ironic if Steve ended up hastening the demise of Oak Park. Ironic, or something.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Romanian
    @As

    Oak Park probably has Asabiyyah! A country without is not a good environment in which to train competent activists. They are probably used to pointing and spluttering about racism and getting their way. Just like the US is a goldmine for conmen. Places with group cohesion, like some ethnic neighborhoods etc., are much tougher to crack. They act purposefully, degine and uphold collective interests (even if unofficially), buy people off or ingratiate themselves with them, so that a person who might think of raising a stink over the issue finds they have no support from the usual suspects and goes off to find a more vulnerable target.

  27. @Ebony Obelisk
    @ATate

    Sucks for you that white girls crave the touch of Black Men.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Polistra, @ATate

    Quack-a-block

    • Agree: tyrone
    • LOL: HammerJack
  28. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    City Journal:

    Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute argued in The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America (2017) that federal policies are the main reason we have housing segregation, by which he means that blacks and whites are far less likely to share a neighborhood than random chance would predict. Such segregation has harmed all Americans, he contends, but especially blacks. Further, only countervailing federal policies can end it, which is urgent because “integration will benefit all of us, white and African American."
     

    Rothstein’s proposals for achieving this goal do not lack for audacity. One is for the federal government to purchase, at market rate, houses for sale in suburbs where African-Americans are underrepresented, and then sell them to black buyers at steeply discounted prices. Another calls on Congress to “amend the tax code to deny the mortgage interest deduction” to all homeowners in a suburb where the proportion of black residents falls more than 10 percentage points below the metropolitan average.

    He implicitly acknowledges that a Catch-22 will impede such programs. Such sweeping proposals won’t be politically feasible until a widespread “sense of outrage” exists
     

    Sense of outrage ?

    I don’t think Mr. Rothstein really Wannsee what could happen…

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @guest007

    Rothstein also said that his scholarly endeavor proved that the entirety of the wealth gap between whites and blacks in America is due to the single fact of redlining. So, all those matters of “habit” and “culture” the rest of us keep noting count for absolutely nothing.

    He was on NPR retailing this crap and (needless to say) the host was breathless in her excitement.

  29. What I don’t understand is, with affirmative action, if a company tries to sprinkle a few blacks into the company, the blacks complain that they are treated differently and sue saying the company is racist.

    Why don’t the blacks of oak park sue and upset this arrangement.

    The social cohesion is remarkable.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @As

    Unlike work, if they sue here, it means the neighborhood gets overrun by the underclass blacks the blacks in Oak Park are trying to escape.

  30. OT — Oberlin College gives up and finally agrees to pay \$37 million to Gibson’s Bakery.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html

    Gibson’s Bakery said the liberal arts college had falsely accused it of racism after a Black student was caught shoplifting.

    Commenters Pixo and Jack D moping:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/environmental-organizations-are-being-looted-by-their-diversity-hires/#comment-5402716 (#127, etc.)

    • Thanks: Celt Darnell
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    All out of Thanks, but thanks for the update. I find it hard to believe that slimy college finally capitulated.

    Archive version for those of us who don't want to give clicks to the NYT:

    https://archive.ph/QWLDY

    , @Renard
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    How long will the Gibsons stay in that God-forsaken place now? They're going to continue to be personae non grata no matter what they do. With $30 million they might as well retire to Hawaii or LaJolla. Life's too short to waste it trying to prove a point.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  31. @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar


    Wait, isn’t Realtor a trademark
     
    When and if realtors clean up their collective act, they can start dictating how to use language to the rest of us.

    The Powers That Be would prefer not to see America’s most architecturally famous suburban housing stock reduced to ruin.
     
    NB: it's hard, very hard, to find white people in the year 2022 who have even a passing acquaintance with (much less knowledge of) architecture. Nonetheless they are by far your best shot.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I can’t say about 2022, but people in Chicago in the 1980s seemed pretty interested in Chicago’s architecture, which was likely the second most famous in the country after NYC’s. The newspapers regularly referenced the heroes of Chicago architecture like Louis Sullivan and Daniel Burnham.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, which reminds me. The only thing I can think of which is better now than 40 years ago is the modern cell phone, and I'm not even sure about that.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    ...Chicago’s architecture, which was likely the second most famous in the country after NYC’s.
     
    Maybe for the general public. But to architecture buffs, Chicago is well ahead of NYC.
  32. Its long-term success in stabilizing integration makes Oak Park an exception. But what rule does it prove? It’s clear to Breymaier that, because managed integration has bequeathed “strong and stable property values” and “a foundation for community harmony,” Oak Park has “provided a replicable model for other communities.”

    Beyond all the other stuff going on, a recurrent thing I’ve seen in my life is just the utter crappiness of the “logic” and assertions we get from this plague of verbalist “experts” America has been cursed with the past 50-60 years. Usually wrong … always full of shit.

    I’m not saying there aren’t plenty of confused–and sometimes pompously confused and stupid– people in STEM. There are. But it isn’t generally full of “experts” who can’t even do the most rudimentary analysis.

    Oak Park “works” because:
    1) Oak Park’s location, character and amenities is attractive to a fair number of people, including whites willing to put up with more “diversity” than they otherwise would in order to live there
    2) #1 means higher prices (rents and purchase) which provides a modest screen to start with
    3) Oak Park’s housing bureaucrats are allowed to reject undesirable and excess blacks and dump them in other communities

    This “model” is not even extendable to more than a tiny number of communities in Chicago! Much less any sort of generalizable model … without a noxious nationwide housing police state–“you can not move!”–that would embarrass even Kim Jong Il.

    And figuring this out, is ridiculously straightforward. Orders of magnitude easier than what I had to do on the job.

    But to blathering verbalist “experts” … “a replicable model for other communities.” (Ok, yeah a few.)

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @guest007
    @AnotherDad

    People need to remember that Oak Park is also protected by Milliken V Bradley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliken_v._Bradley where the Supreme Court ruled that children cannot be bussed across political boundaries (among school districts) for integration purposes. If the Supreme Court has ruled the other way in Milliken, no close in suburb would be safe from forced busing and thus, would only have whites who could afford private schools.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Colin Wright
    @AnotherDad

    '...But to blathering verbalist “experts” … “a replicable model for other communities.” (Ok, yeah a few.)'

    This begs the question of why anyone would want to replicate it. Find me the community that feels deprived of its fair share of blacks.

  33. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    City Journal:

    Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute argued in The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America (2017) that federal policies are the main reason we have housing segregation, by which he means that blacks and whites are far less likely to share a neighborhood than random chance would predict. Such segregation has harmed all Americans, he contends, but especially blacks. Further, only countervailing federal policies can end it, which is urgent because “integration will benefit all of us, white and African American."
     

    Rothstein’s proposals for achieving this goal do not lack for audacity. One is for the federal government to purchase, at market rate, houses for sale in suburbs where African-Americans are underrepresented, and then sell them to black buyers at steeply discounted prices. Another calls on Congress to “amend the tax code to deny the mortgage interest deduction” to all homeowners in a suburb where the proportion of black residents falls more than 10 percentage points below the metropolitan average.

    He implicitly acknowledges that a Catch-22 will impede such programs. Such sweeping proposals won’t be politically feasible until a widespread “sense of outrage” exists
     

    Sense of outrage ?

    I don’t think Mr. Rothstein really Wannsee what could happen…

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @guest007

    Rothstein’s proposals for achieving this goal do not lack for audacity.

    Some peoples have a natural sense of liberty.

    Other peoples are naturally inclined toward wielding bullying state power.

    ~~

    I have a counter suggestion:

    Repeal all the “fair housing” rules and edicts, and free people to make their own decisions. Including, letting communities and neighborhoods–if they so choose–establish whatever standards for joining their community that they choose.

    Let 100–thousand–flowers bloom.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @AnotherDad

    Taking a step back -- for every article extolling home ownership, in a more sensible world there would be a dozen on the topic of "How to pick a good landlord."

    Home ownership means regular and seasonal chores to stay on top of, plus surprise expenses.

    I shudder at the perky profiles of lower-middle-class single mothers with no visible DIY aptitude or skills, happily moving in thanks to this or that subsidy program. For most, this won't end well.

    For many people, buying a house is a risky move. If you're not reasonably well off (i.e. run a budget surplus most months) and reasonably conscientious -- rent.

  34. @Bardon Kaldlan
    "...unscrupulous realtors..."
    Anyone in particular?

    Replies: @Polistra

    The phrase is redundant, but speaking of mysteries: what is your relation to Bardon Kaldian?

    • Thanks: Gordo, J.Ross
  35. @As
    This is amazing.

    I can’t believe this is allowed.

    Why haven’t black activists sued? Why haven’t black real estate agents sued?

    Why haven’t Jewish people or the ACLU done something about it?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Romanian

    Well, not that many people know about it. It’d be mighty ironic if Steve ended up hastening the demise of Oak Park. Ironic, or something.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Polistra

    I could well imagine that the next time a black homicidal maniac is shot by the police in Chicago that the sociology department at Northwestern burns down Oak Park just to spite me.

    Replies: @vinteuil

  36. @As
    What I don’t understand is, with affirmative action, if a company tries to sprinkle a few blacks into the company, the blacks complain that they are treated differently and sue saying the company is racist.

    Why don’t the blacks of oak park sue and upset this arrangement.

    The social cohesion is remarkable.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Unlike work, if they sue here, it means the neighborhood gets overrun by the underclass blacks the blacks in Oak Park are trying to escape.

  37. I think Oak Park should become a mecca for scum.

    What could an argument against me possibly be?

  38. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — Oberlin College gives up and finally agrees to pay $37 million to Gibson’s Bakery.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html

    Gibson’s Bakery said the liberal arts college had falsely accused it of racism after a Black student was caught shoplifting.
     

    Commenters Pixo and Jack D moping:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/environmental-organizations-are-being-looted-by-their-diversity-hires/#comment-5402716 (#127, etc.)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Renard

    All out of Thanks, but thanks for the update. I find it hard to believe that slimy college finally capitulated.

    Archive version for those of us who don’t want to give clicks to the NYT:

    https://archive.ph/QWLDY

  39. @Hibernian
    My cousin and her husband left Oak Park not long after their kids graduated fron college.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @J.Ross, @JimDandy

    Oak Park is probably the GoodWhites capital of greater Chicagoland.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @JimDandy

    Co-capital with Evanston (Another suburb and home of Northwestern U) and Hyde Park/Kenwood (Chicago neighborhood and home of U of Chicago.)

    Replies: @Bill

  40. anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Well things should get much livelier in Illinois after 1 January, when the new ‘Safe-T’ law goes into effect … below are some of the crimes for which, after 1 Jan., Illinois police and prosecutors CANNOT detain somebody after a brief arrest, suspect to be immediately released without bail

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/illinoiss-safet-act-will-get-innocents-killed-but-criminals-will-do-fine/

    • Thanks: Renard
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @anonymous

    Why do I suspect "threatening a public official" will be the first law changed?

    Replies: @aNewBanner

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @anonymous

    That’s some list. Is drug-induced homicide when you poison someone or cause them to OD, or is it when you kill someone when you are high?

  41. @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666


    I think the idea is that it was a “self-fulfilling prophesy” situation. Once a couple blacks move in a “there goes the neighborhood” sentiment starts up.
     
    Okay. The latter part of your story has a logic I can follow. It has some plausibility.

    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process? And why there and then?

    Replies: @Romanian, @Nervous in Stalingrad, @Another Canadian

    Because the first Blacks to move after desegregation were naturally the ones with the most money. The population may have had lower incomes on average, but that still leads to plenty of very rich people and middling rich people who would like to upgrade their neighbors. Also, suburbanization was in full swing. The Whites also had more options, like going to where land was much cheaper, before they were joined by the flood of white flighters. There was therefore less competition for the inner cities.

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @HammerJack

    I can't say about 2022, but people in Chicago in the 1980s seemed pretty interested in Chicago's architecture, which was likely the second most famous in the country after NYC's. The newspapers regularly referenced the heroes of Chicago architecture like Louis Sullivan and Daniel Burnham.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, which reminds me. The only thing I can think of which is better now than 40 years ago is the modern cell phone, and I’m not even sure about that.

  43. @Colin Wright
    Can one seriously imagine having to jump through so many hoops on behalf of any other race, in any other place, in any other time?

    Just read the piece with some critical distance. What's described is surreal.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Arclight

    No kidding. This black-a-block thing (and 19% is a lot more than one per block) plus an equal number of Hispanics doesn’t sound so great to me; I wouldn’t buy there and I sure as hell wouldn’t want my kids in the public school that serves that population.

    • Agree: Renard, Gordo
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew


    I wouldn’t buy there
     
    I had the same reaction.

    I don't know if Oak Park is so much a "success story" as a "not as bad as Austin" story: managed decline. Formerly middle class whites, now a sixth black, a sixth Mexican, and a bunch of barren white gays and hipsters. According to GreatSchools.org, Oak Park's schoolkids are still (barely) majority white, but the black portion (low 20s%) is higher than the overall black portion, which tells you which way the demographic wind is blowing, and there is large "two or more races" student contingent which is often code for "mulatto with chip on shoulder". Given Oak Park's leftism, how are they going to vote on crucial questions? Like San Diego or like San Francisco? Having a few board members at OPRHC who know the real score is nice, but it isn't enough to change juries or elections.

    ---------

    BTW, GreatSchools.org, which used to be a pretty straightforward school rating system based on test scores, nowadays seems to have some complicated counterintuitive new rating system based on "equity" where not having enough blacks makes your score go down. Another legacy of the Fentanyl Floyd hysteria, probably.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Renard

    , @AnotherDad
    @International Jew


    No kidding. This black-a-block thing (and 19% is a lot more than one per block) plus an equal number of Hispanics doesn’t sound so great to me; I wouldn’t buy there and I sure as hell wouldn’t want my kids in the public school that serves that population.
     
    Spot on IJ.

    I was a bit surprised by that the City-Journal article was showing a steady black population.

    Like AlmostMissouri I'd looked the OakPark demographics and then the public school demographics on GreatSchools some time ago and thought--barely over 50% white, 25% black schools, that doesn't sound pleasant to me. Way above "now there are 'issues'" threshold."

    I think what gives Oak Park a semblance of "stability" is the black "pressure" isn't quite what it once was. The ever increasing diversity is now Hispanic. They've pushed the "peak black" of Chicago 40-40-other down and now Chicago is 30-30-30-other. And Cook County (quick glance at Wikipedia, 2020 data not posted) 2010 data is 44-25-24-6 W-B-H-A.

    Oak Park has "solved" anything. Even with all their advantages, they've just sort of been like a coffee filter. It keeps the grounds from dropping in right away, but the eventually more and more and more flavor drips through.

    Replies: @guest007

  44. @As
    This is amazing.

    I can’t believe this is allowed.

    Why haven’t black activists sued? Why haven’t black real estate agents sued?

    Why haven’t Jewish people or the ACLU done something about it?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Romanian

    Oak Park probably has Asabiyyah! A country without is not a good environment in which to train competent activists. They are probably used to pointing and spluttering about racism and getting their way. Just like the US is a goldmine for conmen. Places with group cohesion, like some ethnic neighborhoods etc., are much tougher to crack. They act purposefully, degine and uphold collective interests (even if unofficially), buy people off or ingratiate themselves with them, so that a person who might think of raising a stink over the issue finds they have no support from the usual suspects and goes off to find a more vulnerable target.

  45. “Many of them sensible but likely illegal”. Why is it that so many things that make sense are against the law? Could it be that we’re ruled by lunatics?

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  46. @Polistra
    @As

    Well, not that many people know about it. It'd be mighty ironic if Steve ended up hastening the demise of Oak Park. Ironic, or something.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I could well imagine that the next time a black homicidal maniac is shot by the police in Chicago that the sociology department at Northwestern burns down Oak Park just to spite me.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Steve Sailer


    I could well imagine that the next time a black homicidal maniac is shot by the police in Chicago, the sociology department at Northwestern burns down Oak Park just to spite me.
     
    No kidding.

    I mean, could there be anything more completely, purely,

    blindingly
     
    white than the buildings of Frank Lloyd Wright?

    écrasez l'infâme

    Burn it all down.
  47. Re: Jackson, MS I wonder if the city powers would quietly try to do this with public schools? Allow them to be racially segregated by choice or managed integration as a way to grow the white population.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Ed

    Speaking of Jackson, here is some more info on the mess that Jackson MS made of their water system.
    You will be shocked, shocked I say, to find out that minority contracting was involved.

    https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2022/09/07/jackson-ms-problems-are-deeper-than-the-water-n494942

  48. @anonymous
    Well things should get much livelier in Illinois after 1 January, when the new 'Safe-T' law goes into effect ... below are some of the crimes for which, after 1 Jan., Illinois police and prosecutors CANNOT detain somebody after a brief arrest, suspect to be immediately released without bail

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/illinoiss-safet-act-will-get-innocents-killed-but-criminals-will-do-fine/

    https://i.postimg.cc/SN7JYpNs/IL-non-detainable.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Gabe Ruth

    Why do I suspect “threatening a public official” will be the first law changed?

    • Agree: Renard
    • Replies: @aNewBanner
    @Redneck farmer

    I believe that the intent is to allow protestors to threaten cops when things get spicy or downtown Chicago is overrun. It will not be so generously applied if someone were to threaten Mayor Lightfoot. Likely there’s another statue that protects the political class.

    Chicago is one financial collapse away from the police force going rogue. I wish Second City Cop was still around to document the collapse.

    Replies: @Anon

  49. The new British cabinet has two blacks and a mulatto in it. I thought I’d see (WKPD) how their parents kept them out of Jamaican gang culture. The first move is that the parent(s) should be African not Afro-Caribbean. The next is that they send the child to a non-neighbourhood school.

    Thus the huge (and apparently hugely clever) Chancellor of the Exchequer: “[Kwasi] Kwarteng was born in … London … in 1975, the only child of … who had emigrated from Ghana as students in the 1960s. … After starting school at a state primary school, Kwarteng attended Colet Court, an independent preparatory school in London, where he won the Harrow History Prize in 1988. Kwarteng then went to Eton College, where he was a King’s Scholar and was awarded the prestigious Newcastle Scholarship prize.”

    Kemi Badenoch is the new Secretary of State for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade i.e. she’s responsible for negotiating trade treaties to replace our old EU treaties. Her parents took even more sweeping steps to avoid London state schools. “Born in … London, to Nigerian parents, Badenoch spent parts of her childhood in Lagos and the United States before returning to the United Kingdom at 16.” She did pretty well in the contest for the Conservative leadership.

    The new Foreign Secretary: “[James] Cleverly was born [in] 1969 in … London … His father is British and … his mother … is from Sierra Leone. He was privately educated at Riverston School and Colfe’s School”.

    So there you are: choose your parents carefully, young embryos; choose their schools carefully, young parents.

    P.S. In terms of exotics the cabinet also contains a white man from the Middle East, specifically a Kurd. They are, apparently descendants of the Medes, of the Medes and Persians fame. There’s also a Buddhist.

  50. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    My cousin and her husband left Oak Park not long after their kids graduated fron college.
     
    And...?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Despite the policy we’re discussing, OP is declining, albeit slowly.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Hibernian

    Reading the article, I got that impression. 18.5% black is a lot (and they don't tell us the 2021 figure, that is 1990) and is vastly more than 11%. 66% white is low. I wonder what the age distribution of the whites looks like. If they are overwhelmingly boomers, then the neighborhood is done for.

  51. @JimDandy
    @Hibernian

    Oak Park is probably the GoodWhites capital of greater Chicagoland.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Co-capital with Evanston (Another suburb and home of Northwestern U) and Hyde Park/Kenwood (Chicago neighborhood and home of U of Chicago.)

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Bill
    @Hibernian

    Evanston, Hyde Park, and Oak Park are pretty Jewish, at least historically.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Chicago

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Pierre de Craon

  52. @Colin Wright
    'No blacks need to outbid any whites. It’s enough for white landlords — later slumlords — to buy from departing white homeowners.'

    The central point is that absent white flight, there will be very few sales at all -- maybe 5-10% of all the properties will go on the market each year.

    Encourage white flight, and that figure snowballs -- there will be twice, three times as many sales per year. Even if the average value of each commission declines, the realtors still come out ahead for a while.

    Replies: @Feryl

    It’s almost as if the civil rights revolution (including desegregation policies) became a means to profit for less than conscientious people. Of course there was also the feel-good grandstanding opportunities the movement provided in addition to the puritanical cleansing of America’s Original Sin (rampant contempt for the inherent deficiencies of black folk). After 60+years of banging our heads against the wall in frustration over the embarrassing fact that ordinary blacks saw their quality of life decline considerably in the wake of Civil Rights (while the top 10-20% made off pretty well), we’ve had a collective mental breakdown arising from George Floyd (a racist’s wet dream in his beastliness) of all people being turned into a martyr.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Feryl

    'It’s almost as if the civil rights revolution (including desegregation policies) became a means to profit for less than conscientious people...'

    This happened during Reconstruction as well. Is the general principle that the unscrupulous will exploit any sudden change in the status quo at all, or that they will exploit changes in the status quo based upon a lie?

  53. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    OT — Oberlin College gives up and finally agrees to pay $37 million to Gibson’s Bakery.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html

    Gibson’s Bakery said the liberal arts college had falsely accused it of racism after a Black student was caught shoplifting.
     

    Commenters Pixo and Jack D moping:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/environmental-organizations-are-being-looted-by-their-diversity-hires/#comment-5402716 (#127, etc.)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Renard

    How long will the Gibsons stay in that God-forsaken place now? They’re going to continue to be personae non grata no matter what they do. With \$30 million they might as well retire to Hawaii or LaJolla. Life’s too short to waste it trying to prove a point.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Renard

    I suspect that most of Oberlin (the town) sides, quietly or otherwise, with the Gibsons over Oberlin (the college). After all, the Gibsons got a unanimous favorable verdict from a jury of their peers. The college has lost its case in every forum it has tried it. Getting a sympathetic hearing from NPR or the NYT is nice, but those people are far away and secretly despise you for your flyover zip code; the townies are right here and you need them to survive.

    Indeed, the college finally agreeing to quit whinging and pay up (which they can easily afford, their protests to the contrary not withstanding) may have had something to do with realizing that the college's physical plant is irrevocably in the midst of a town that they have now polarized against them.

    The college's capitulation statement made veiled reference to this:


    "this matter has been painful for everyone."
     
    Haha, yeah, everyone in the faculty lounge.

    "We hope that the end of the litigation will begin the healing of our entire community."
     
    Forgive us, we can't take it anymore!

    "We value our relationship with the city of Oberlin, and we look forward to continuing our support of and partnership with local businesses as we work together to help our city thrive."
     
    Please, contractors, offer us something close to market rates! Please, restaurant workers, stop spitting in our food! And, whoever is deflating my car tires, I'm sorry!

    Even the NYT had to note this as blandly as they could:


    Oberlin hinted that the protracted and bitter fight had undermined its relationship with the people and businesses in the surrounding community.
     
    Oops, turns out condescending, aggressive progressivism isn't popular with the hoi polloi. Who knew?
  54. @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666


    I think the idea is that it was a “self-fulfilling prophesy” situation. Once a couple blacks move in a “there goes the neighborhood” sentiment starts up.
     
    Okay. The latter part of your story has a logic I can follow. It has some plausibility.

    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process? And why there and then?

    Replies: @Romanian, @Nervous in Stalingrad, @Another Canadian

    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process?

    I was led to understand that estate agents developed a tactic to get the process underway.

    The idea was to create the impression that the arrival of black families into a given neighbourhood was imminent. Whether or not they were actually arriving was immaterial: even the thought of one black family arriving shortly could trigger a mass selloff.

    (And, of course, people were anxious to sell while home prices were still relatively high.)

    Anyway, the name of the tactic was “blockbusting” and, as Steve has pointed out, estate agents made an awful lot of money off it and similar schemes.

    • Replies: @ArthurBiggs
    @Nervous in Stalingrad

    When there's a half a million black people across the railroad tracks, or highway, or major street, there's no need to create the impression. Everyone knows what's happening. Fair housing laws, the news media, and wealthy white/jewish disdain for racist whites doomed the less affluent areas to rapid demographic change. White people fled to avoid the coming violence. Wealthy areas were able to hang on a little longer, but I wouldn't live in Oak Park. Theft, robbery, and burglary are way above the state average.

    https://www.city-data.com/city/Oak-Park-Illinois.html

    Plus, it's filled with typical gay-friendly lefty liberals. Definitely not a place to raise a family.

  55. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    City Journal:

    Richard Rothstein of the Economic Policy Institute argued in The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America (2017) that federal policies are the main reason we have housing segregation, by which he means that blacks and whites are far less likely to share a neighborhood than random chance would predict. Such segregation has harmed all Americans, he contends, but especially blacks. Further, only countervailing federal policies can end it, which is urgent because “integration will benefit all of us, white and African American."
     

    Rothstein’s proposals for achieving this goal do not lack for audacity. One is for the federal government to purchase, at market rate, houses for sale in suburbs where African-Americans are underrepresented, and then sell them to black buyers at steeply discounted prices. Another calls on Congress to “amend the tax code to deny the mortgage interest deduction” to all homeowners in a suburb where the proportion of black residents falls more than 10 percentage points below the metropolitan average.

    He implicitly acknowledges that a Catch-22 will impede such programs. Such sweeping proposals won’t be politically feasible until a widespread “sense of outrage” exists
     

    Sense of outrage ?

    I don’t think Mr. Rothstein really Wannsee what could happen…

    Replies: @HammerJack, @AnotherDad, @guest007

    No one ever points out that more than 2/3 of the housing stock in the U.S. was built after the Fair Housing Act was passed. Most current housing in the U.S. was never redlined. In addition, Mr. Rothstein never mentions population growth and lies, by omission, that current home ownership does not map onto previous homeownership. Mr. Rothstein implies that every white homeowner had a white ancestor that passed down huge amounts of wealthy without expliciting saying it and being caught is a factual lie.

    What is also amazing is the number of progressives who have praised both “The Color of Law” and “The Two-Income Trap” by Elizabeth Warren without noting that the two books contradict each other and cannot be reconciled.

    • Agree: Ed
    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Ed
    @guest007

    Right and that some neighborhoods experienced white flight, in the suburbs, well after the 60s. Think Ferguson, Eastpointe MI or suburban Chicago.

    The major media just doesn’t want to deal with the simple fact that many people, white, Asian, Hispanic and even some blacks, don’t want to live around blacks today.

  56. @AnotherDad

    Its long-term success in stabilizing integration makes Oak Park an exception. But what rule does it prove? It’s clear to Breymaier that, because managed integration has bequeathed “strong and stable property values” and “a foundation for community harmony,” Oak Park has “provided a replicable model for other communities.”
     
    Beyond all the other stuff going on, a recurrent thing I've seen in my life is just the utter crappiness of the "logic" and assertions we get from this plague of verbalist "experts" America has been cursed with the past 50-60 years. Usually wrong ... always full of shit.

    I'm not saying there aren't plenty of confused--and sometimes pompously confused and stupid-- people in STEM. There are. But it isn't generally full of "experts" who can't even do the most rudimentary analysis.

    Oak Park "works" because:
    1) Oak Park's location, character and amenities is attractive to a fair number of people, including whites willing to put up with more "diversity" than they otherwise would in order to live there
    2) #1 means higher prices (rents and purchase) which provides a modest screen to start with
    3) Oak Park's housing bureaucrats are allowed to reject undesirable and excess blacks and dump them in other communities

    This "model" is not even extendable to more than a tiny number of communities in Chicago! Much less any sort of generalizable model ... without a noxious nationwide housing police state--"you can not move!"--that would embarrass even Kim Jong Il.

    And figuring this out, is ridiculously straightforward. Orders of magnitude easier than what I had to do on the job.

    But to blathering verbalist "experts" ... "a replicable model for other communities.” (Ok, yeah a few.)

    Replies: @guest007, @Colin Wright

    People need to remember that Oak Park is also protected by Milliken V Bradley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliken_v._Bradley where the Supreme Court ruled that children cannot be bussed across political boundaries (among school districts) for integration purposes. If the Supreme Court has ruled the other way in Milliken, no close in suburb would be safe from forced busing and thus, would only have whites who could afford private schools.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @guest007


    People need to remember that Oak Park is also protected by Milliken V Bradley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliken_v._Bradley where the Supreme Court ruled that children cannot be bussed across political boundaries (among school districts) for integration purposes. If the Supreme Court has ruled the other way in Milliken, no close in suburb would be safe from forced busing and thus, would only have whites who could afford private schools.
     
    It is absolutely amazing how much damage these lawyers posing as philosopher kings have done to America since the open-ended--sociological bafflegab--stupidity of Brown. And how close we've come to even more devastating stupidity but for a single vote here or there.

    A few of my cousins live in Raleigh and when I first visited them there and learned what crap their kids are subjected to--pulled out of their nice neighbor and walk-to-school and bused miles south into town--you'd think there would be a revolution.

    If you want a lesson in the evil of kritarchy--in all its bossy, pompous glory--look no further than US school "desegregation".
  57. @Colin Wright
    Can one seriously imagine having to jump through so many hoops on behalf of any other race, in any other place, in any other time?

    Just read the piece with some critical distance. What's described is surreal.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Arclight

    This is the real legacy of slavery – the unbelievable amount of time, effort, and treasure expended annually to deal with a group that represents just 1/8th of the population. It’s a tax on society that we will never get rid of.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Arclight

    'This is the real legacy of slavery – the unbelievable amount of time, effort, and treasure expended annually to deal with a group that represents just 1/8th of the population. It’s a tax on society that we will never get rid of.'

    On the other hand, does it have to be that way?

    Blacks will never be an ornament and an asset to America -- but isn't most of the various costs a result of the absurd attempt to pretend that this particular sow's ear is a silk purse?

    What if we policed them firmly, made no attempt to extend the same freedoms to them that we extend to others, didn't expect much from them in the way of academic achievement, insisted that they work, and took care to ensure there were enough unskilled jobs requiring only dumb labor so that they could work?

    They'd cost a lot less -- and probably be less frustrated and unhappy. Their erstwhile victims would be better off as well.

    Replies: @Arclight

  58. @AnotherDad
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    Rothstein’s proposals for achieving this goal do not lack for audacity.
     
    Some peoples have a natural sense of liberty.

    Other peoples are naturally inclined toward wielding bullying state power.

    ~~

    I have a counter suggestion:

    Repeal all the "fair housing" rules and edicts, and free people to make their own decisions. Including, letting communities and neighborhoods--if they so choose--establish whatever standards for joining their community that they choose.

    Let 100--thousand--flowers bloom.

    Replies: @ic1000

    Taking a step back — for every article extolling home ownership, in a more sensible world there would be a dozen on the topic of “How to pick a good landlord.”

    Home ownership means regular and seasonal chores to stay on top of, plus surprise expenses.

    I shudder at the perky profiles of lower-middle-class single mothers with no visible DIY aptitude or skills, happily moving in thanks to this or that subsidy program. For most, this won’t end well.

    For many people, buying a house is a risky move. If you’re not reasonably well off (i.e. run a budget surplus most months) and reasonably conscientious — rent.

  59. @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    Despite the policy we're discussing, OP is declining, albeit slowly.

    Replies: @Bill

    Reading the article, I got that impression. 18.5% black is a lot (and they don’t tell us the 2021 figure, that is 1990) and is vastly more than 11%. 66% white is low. I wonder what the age distribution of the whites looks like. If they are overwhelmingly boomers, then the neighborhood is done for.

  60. @Hibernian
    @JimDandy

    Co-capital with Evanston (Another suburb and home of Northwestern U) and Hyde Park/Kenwood (Chicago neighborhood and home of U of Chicago.)

    Replies: @Bill

    Evanston, Hyde Park, and Oak Park are pretty Jewish, at least historically.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Chicago

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Bill

    I visited my friend in Riverside once and we drove to Oak Park. I saw a cemetery and asked him to stop in it (I love cemeteries). Turns out Emma Goldman is buried there.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Pierre de Craon
    @Bill


    Evanston, Hyde Park, and Oak Park are pretty Jewish, at least historically.
     
    I was wondering whether mention of this state of affairs would be allowed in this thread.

    Does anyone have a sense of what percent of Oak Park's present population is Jewish? I know, of course, that Jews have little or no influence in society and that they endure discrimination, even the actual threat of extinction, but still …

    Replies: @Hibernian

  61. @J.Ross
    OT -- Transgenderizing surgeon blithely admits that medically abusing confused kids early enough guarantees they will never orgasm. Law school graduates remind us that there is no legal way to hang this person and anyway the real problem is white rage.
    https://thepostmillennial.com/gender-affirming-surgeon-admits-children-who-undergo-transition-before-puberty-never-attain-sexual-satisfaction

    Replies: @Bill

    LOL. That’s a great argument for degenerate Murka. Cutting your kids genitals off is wrong because they’ll never orgasm if you do. Bet it doesn’t work, though.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bill

    It's their central argument for everything. Their highest virtue is self-expression and their highest form of that is orgasm. Imagine if, at the beginning of WWI, the British government admonished every able-bodied subject to enlist in the German army.

  62. As I have long said, River Forest never integrated because many top leaders of the Outfit (Italian mob) lived there. To this day it does not have a public pool. There is a private tennis club that fills that bill and Oak Park Country Club is just across North Avenue in Elmwood Park (home to mob underlings). Oak Park Country Club is an overtreed Ross that floods too much, but the kids get a pool.

  63. I was born at Oak Park hospital; my family lived in the Austin neighborhood until we fled in 1968 to the northwest suburbs.

    My older brother lived in Oak Park for many years. His detached garage was burglarized so many times he had to stop putting anything of value in it other than his locked car.

  64. @International Jew
    @Colin Wright

    No kidding. This black-a-block thing (and 19% is a lot more than one per block) plus an equal number of Hispanics doesn't sound so great to me; I wouldn't buy there and I sure as hell wouldn't want my kids in the public school that serves that population.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    I wouldn’t buy there

    I had the same reaction.

    I don’t know if Oak Park is so much a “success story” as a “not as bad as Austin” story: managed decline. Formerly middle class whites, now a sixth black, a sixth Mexican, and a bunch of barren white gays and hipsters. According to GreatSchools.org, Oak Park’s schoolkids are still (barely) majority white, but the black portion (low 20s%) is higher than the overall black portion, which tells you which way the demographic wind is blowing, and there is large “two or more races” student contingent which is often code for “mulatto with chip on shoulder”. Given Oak Park’s leftism, how are they going to vote on crucial questions? Like San Diego or like San Francisco? Having a few board members at OPRHC who know the real score is nice, but it isn’t enough to change juries or elections.

    ———

    BTW, GreatSchools.org, which used to be a pretty straightforward school rating system based on test scores, nowadays seems to have some complicated counterintuitive new rating system based on “equity” where not having enough blacks makes your score go down. Another legacy of the Fentanyl Floyd hysteria, probably.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri


    BTW, GreatSchools.org
     
    Hah, no surprise. Ok, I just went there and I see that "equity" now has a 24% weight in the rating. Oh well. Greatschools will continue being one of my go-to sources for now.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Renard
    @Almost Missouri

    It's not just about the enrollment quotas. It's also about differential rates of discipline. Those Whose Lives Matter must not be disciplined unless you can find (or conjure up) an equal or larger number of white students to punish. That's how Equity works.

    Doesn't matter what anyone may or may not have done, racist.

  65. I have actually been to Oak Park a number of times in the past month, and was last there over the Labor Day weekend.

    The central part of Oak Park is very white. I’ve been to stores and restaurants between Lake and the train line. Overwhelming white, but still a fair number of non-whites.

    The areas around the fringes are overwhelmingly non-white. These areas act as buffers between central Oak Park and the sketchy areas outside Oak Park.

    For example, Austin Ave is the border between Oak Park and the Austin neighborhood in Chicago. Right along Austin, on both sides of the street, the population is primarily middle class blacks, with some whites and Asians. A little further east and the neighborhood is rather sketchy. For example, close to Austin Avenue in Chicago the landlords run credit checks and require a month’s deposit. A few blocks further east they don’t even require a deposit. Some of the buildings further east are boarded up and vacant. The blacks I talked to in the Austin neighborhood close to Oak Park were very friendly people. The sort of folks you don’t mind living around your neighborhood, and they make a great buffer.

    Similarly, Madison St is the southern border between Oak Park and Cicero. Madison is where you will find the fast food franchises, etc. That area is another buffer between Oak Park and a less desirable area, except Hispanic rather than black.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  66. @Renard
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    How long will the Gibsons stay in that God-forsaken place now? They're going to continue to be personae non grata no matter what they do. With $30 million they might as well retire to Hawaii or LaJolla. Life's too short to waste it trying to prove a point.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I suspect that most of Oberlin (the town) sides, quietly or otherwise, with the Gibsons over Oberlin (the college). After all, the Gibsons got a unanimous favorable verdict from a jury of their peers. The college has lost its case in every forum it has tried it. Getting a sympathetic hearing from NPR or the NYT is nice, but those people are far away and secretly despise you for your flyover zip code; the townies are right here and you need them to survive.

    Indeed, the college finally agreeing to quit whinging and pay up (which they can easily afford, their protests to the contrary not withstanding) may have had something to do with realizing that the college’s physical plant is irrevocably in the midst of a town that they have now polarized against them.

    The college’s capitulation statement made veiled reference to this:

    “this matter has been painful for everyone.”

    Haha, yeah, everyone in the faculty lounge.

    “We hope that the end of the litigation will begin the healing of our entire community.”

    Forgive us, we can’t take it anymore!

    “We value our relationship with the city of Oberlin, and we look forward to continuing our support of and partnership with local businesses as we work together to help our city thrive.”

    Please, contractors, offer us something close to market rates! Please, restaurant workers, stop spitting in our food! And, whoever is deflating my car tires, I’m sorry!

    Even the NYT had to note this as blandly as they could:

    Oberlin hinted that the protracted and bitter fight had undermined its relationship with the people and businesses in the surrounding community.

    Oops, turns out condescending, aggressive progressivism isn’t popular with the hoi polloi. Who knew?

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
  67. Anon[104] • Disclaimer says:

    My conspiracy theory is that Oak Park’s many no doubt illegal policies are almost never challenged in court and seldom even mentioned in the newspapers because The Powers That Be would prefer not to see America’s most architecturally famous suburban housing stock reduced to ruin.

    One strategy would be for the city to do what Frederick, Maryland, did: declare a giant contiguous area to be a historical preservation area. I owned a rental there for a while. You had to appear before a commission to get approval to do so much as power wash a brick wall for fear that irreplaceable brick dust would be flushed down the sewer. You couldn’t change anything external, and external maintenance had to be done by artisans using watercolor brushes using techniques developed at the Valley Forge estate. Needless to say, rents are highish and tenants are not Section 8.

  68. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew


    I wouldn’t buy there
     
    I had the same reaction.

    I don't know if Oak Park is so much a "success story" as a "not as bad as Austin" story: managed decline. Formerly middle class whites, now a sixth black, a sixth Mexican, and a bunch of barren white gays and hipsters. According to GreatSchools.org, Oak Park's schoolkids are still (barely) majority white, but the black portion (low 20s%) is higher than the overall black portion, which tells you which way the demographic wind is blowing, and there is large "two or more races" student contingent which is often code for "mulatto with chip on shoulder". Given Oak Park's leftism, how are they going to vote on crucial questions? Like San Diego or like San Francisco? Having a few board members at OPRHC who know the real score is nice, but it isn't enough to change juries or elections.

    ---------

    BTW, GreatSchools.org, which used to be a pretty straightforward school rating system based on test scores, nowadays seems to have some complicated counterintuitive new rating system based on "equity" where not having enough blacks makes your score go down. Another legacy of the Fentanyl Floyd hysteria, probably.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Renard

    BTW, GreatSchools.org

    Hah, no surprise. Ok, I just went there and I see that “equity” now has a 24% weight in the rating. Oh well. Greatschools will continue being one of my go-to sources for now.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    IMHO, the most useful part is the school demographics, now relegated to the fine print within the "Equity" section.

    If there were a way to filter up just the test scores and the demographics, it could once again be as useful as the old site.

    A few years ago, back when GreatSchools.org was still straightforward, there was an unintentionally amusing thread at The Straight Dope where a bunch of liberal school parents puzzled over why there were so many low-ranked schools. Their NPC programming prevented them grasping the HBD key that unlocked the entire mystery, so it was fun watching them stumble around in the dark: why are affluent school districts scoring so high? It's a mystery!

    Replies: @International Jew, @Bill, @BenjaminL

  69. @anonymous
    Well things should get much livelier in Illinois after 1 January, when the new 'Safe-T' law goes into effect ... below are some of the crimes for which, after 1 Jan., Illinois police and prosecutors CANNOT detain somebody after a brief arrest, suspect to be immediately released without bail

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/illinoiss-safet-act-will-get-innocents-killed-but-criminals-will-do-fine/

    https://i.postimg.cc/SN7JYpNs/IL-non-detainable.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Gabe Ruth

    That’s some list. Is drug-induced homicide when you poison someone or cause them to OD, or is it when you kill someone when you are high?

  70. @Ebony Obelisk
    @ATate

    Sucks for you that white girls crave the touch of Black Men.

    Replies: @MEH 0910, @Polistra, @ATate

    Sucks for the tens of thousands of White girls raped EACH year by your blech men.

    Meanwhile the amount of White guys raping your chicken necked weave wearing clap backing grossness is near zero…because we’ll you’re gross.

  71. Without outing myself, so not too many details, my husband and I live in a neighborhood in a moderate-sized city in the eastern US that sounds almost exactly like Oak Park. Black neighbors seem to be ex-military, and there are lots of gay guy couples. The houses are quaint and well-kept, and we have an active neighborhood association. I worry, though, since 2020. The neighborhood is full of Progressive nitwits who voted out the Republican city councilman and replaced him with a liberal blather-person. There is a homeless encampment not far away but for the most part they stay out of our little enclave. They are mostly white and drugged-out.

    We remain poised for flight if necessary but right now it is a lovely place where folks walk their dogs after dark. My husband’s old neighborhood nearby hit bottom twenty years ago, but is now on the way up with white Prog artists setting up studios. They had a street festival before the pandemic and white women were pushing baby carriages on the streets. They try hard not to call it gentrification and there are BLM and rainbow flags here and there. These young gentrifiers seem willing to tolerate drug dealers nearby and will reap the whirlwind if they don’t catch on. I’d much rather see it legalized than on the street, where it goes hand in hand with prostitution.

  72. @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri


    BTW, GreatSchools.org
     
    Hah, no surprise. Ok, I just went there and I see that "equity" now has a 24% weight in the rating. Oh well. Greatschools will continue being one of my go-to sources for now.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    IMHO, the most useful part is the school demographics, now relegated to the fine print within the “Equity” section.

    If there were a way to filter up just the test scores and the demographics, it could once again be as useful as the old site.

    A few years ago, back when GreatSchools.org was still straightforward, there was an unintentionally amusing thread at The Straight Dope where a bunch of liberal school parents puzzled over why there were so many low-ranked schools. Their NPC programming prevented them grasping the HBD key that unlocked the entire mystery, so it was fun watching them stumble around in the dark: why are affluent school districts scoring so high? It’s a mystery!

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri

    Those parents now have one less antidote to their ignorance as it seems comments have been discontinued.

    Just a couple years ago they definitely had Disqus and I remember having a good chuckle going through comments on the article about "Why diversity is important."

    They still publish reviews by students/parents/teachers. But as in so many places, you're given a prominently-placed "Report" button. Yep, let's report one another, that's what free people do huh?

    , @Bill
    @Almost Missouri

    Building-level race demographics still easy to get here:

    https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/


    Extensive school district level demographics for parents, children, or general pop still easy to get here:

    https://nces.ed.gov/programs/edge/Demographic/ACS


    Key demographic is % of parents with college degree. Correlates quite well with the things which are actually important but can be discussed in polite company.

    , @BenjaminL
    @Almost Missouri

    Schooldigger.com is an excellent site for quickly looking up school demographics and test scores, with none of the woke nonsense.

    The historical data is interesting. For example, Oak Park River Forest High went from 72% to 56% white between 1988 and 2021.

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schools/2928003070/school.aspx

    Austin College and Career Academy High went from 98% to 94% black between 2009 and 2021

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schools/0993005984/school.aspx

  73. @Anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666


    I think the idea is that it was a “self-fulfilling prophesy” situation. Once a couple blacks move in a “there goes the neighborhood” sentiment starts up.
     
    Okay. The latter part of your story has a logic I can follow. It has some plausibility.

    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process? And why there and then?

    Replies: @Romanian, @Nervous in Stalingrad, @Another Canadian

    Okay. The latter part of your story has a logic I can follow.

    It’s not about logic, it’s real estate. It usually involves wives and kids, not logic. Whisper campaigns amongst well-connected real estate brokers are an unseen force. My broker in a recent sale whispered to other brokers “If your offer doesn’t have this number in it, don’t bother.” You won’t see that in the MLS.

    I can easily envisage a 1960s Paul Revere whisper campaign amongst brokers in Austin…”The Coloureds are coming! The Coloureds are coming!”

  74. @Bill
    @J.Ross

    LOL. That's a great argument for degenerate Murka. Cutting your kids genitals off is wrong because they'll never orgasm if you do. Bet it doesn't work, though.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    It’s their central argument for everything. Their highest virtue is self-expression and their highest form of that is orgasm. Imagine if, at the beginning of WWI, the British government admonished every able-bodied subject to enlist in the German army.

    • Agree: Bill
  75. @Steve Sailer
    @HammerJack

    I can't say about 2022, but people in Chicago in the 1980s seemed pretty interested in Chicago's architecture, which was likely the second most famous in the country after NYC's. The newspapers regularly referenced the heroes of Chicago architecture like Louis Sullivan and Daniel Burnham.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Reg Cæsar

    …Chicago’s architecture, which was likely the second most famous in the country after NYC’s.

    Maybe for the general public. But to architecture buffs, Chicago is well ahead of NYC.

  76. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    IMHO, the most useful part is the school demographics, now relegated to the fine print within the "Equity" section.

    If there were a way to filter up just the test scores and the demographics, it could once again be as useful as the old site.

    A few years ago, back when GreatSchools.org was still straightforward, there was an unintentionally amusing thread at The Straight Dope where a bunch of liberal school parents puzzled over why there were so many low-ranked schools. Their NPC programming prevented them grasping the HBD key that unlocked the entire mystery, so it was fun watching them stumble around in the dark: why are affluent school districts scoring so high? It's a mystery!

    Replies: @International Jew, @Bill, @BenjaminL

    Those parents now have one less antidote to their ignorance as it seems comments have been discontinued.

    Just a couple years ago they definitely had Disqus and I remember having a good chuckle going through comments on the article about “Why diversity is important.”

    They still publish reviews by students/parents/teachers. But as in so many places, you’re given a prominently-placed “Report” button. Yep, let’s report one another, that’s what free people do huh?

  77. @Bill
    @Hibernian

    Evanston, Hyde Park, and Oak Park are pretty Jewish, at least historically.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Chicago

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Pierre de Craon

    I visited my friend in Riverside once and we drove to Oak Park. I saw a cemetery and asked him to stop in it (I love cemeteries). Turns out Emma Goldman is buried there.

    • Thanks: Bill
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AndrewR

    I trust you did the right thing and had a recurrence of the old bladder problem that you've mentioned here from time to time.

  78. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    In 2021, the village’s population was 18.4 percent black.

    According to census.gov , my FL city (pop. 90K) is 9% black, and my county (pop. 600K) is 10% black. And blacks make up 90% of the mug shots in the daily arrest list in the local newspaper.

    I’m thinking Oak Park’s 18.4% black demographic is twice the acceptable limit for peaceful living.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Anon


    And blacks make up 90% of the mug shots in the daily arrest list in the local newspaper.
     
    That is why major newspapers no longer run mug shots. Even suburban papers, though most of those are secretly owned by the same corps which own the big daily.

    Most major papers won't even run news shots of violent arrested criminals in shoot outs. When the vics are shown and are black, usually the perp/perps are also.

    I often search online fake news sources (Newser is one) where I'm curious about the perps. Sometimes the TV websites show footage of arrestees, or victims in shooting in "vibrant" settings.

    Probably one in 15 perps is not Black! . Or you have to tell by the names (Juwan, etc.).

    It is pro Negro bigotry and racism by the Media, which pretends this kind of gaming is virtuous.

    Learning facts is now considered a Hate Crime when the "facts" don't fit the Narrative.

    The fact that clueless or brainwashed young women get raped and murdered, because they believe the Fantasy World of the NYT or CNN, is not considered worth reporting truthfully for. These same Fake News outlets of course, all pretend to be pro feminist. But only if you include the Fake Men in dresses hanging out in the women's locker room.
  79. @Hypnotoad666

    whites are usually given listings on the east side of the village, next to Chicago’s mostly black Austin neighborhood.” Blacks, conversely, “are sent to white neighborhoods in the center and west of Oak Park, or referred to other suburbs with newer housing.”
     
    Very clever. They built a Great White Wall up against Austin and then sprinkled the "right kind" of blacks around the town so that no one area would become "tipping point" black.

    They could get away with this because, as a city project, the realtor cartel is exempt from anti-trust laws. And because all the "diversity" and "integration" happy talk made it look like the cartel's policies were politically correct. The key is that the people actually running the program know the score, and that it doesn't get captured by outside wokesters. Congratulations to Oak Park for pulling it off.

    It reminds me a bit of LA's Magnet School program that tried to keep enough white kids in the public schools for them to be "integrated." It mostly resulted in sending white kids to the better magnet programs. But somehow all the integration happy talk made that ok.

    Replies: @Allain

    Yes. The “happy talk” protects the left flank. On the property owner side, we have:

    “The city government has used sticks, such as building inspections and the threat of fines, and carrots, including loans and other financial benefits, to motivate landlords to use OPRHC as their rental agent.”

    I especially like the “sticks” such as building inspection and the threat of fines. I wonder how that works? Does some guy show up one day at the landlord’s office and, in a slightly threatening tone says, “Nice little apartment you’ve got here. It would be a shame if an inspection were to happen to it. What you really need is some protection. Now my friend the OPRHC can help you…of course, there will be a price.”

  80. Great column, since my county is still just 3 percent black I read these things with interest.

    Is anyone here still living on the South Side? My wife and her family were long-time South Siders (Lawndale, Hubbard High etc) and I get the impression that neighborhoods there in the 60s and 70s — Polish, Lithuanian, Hispanic or whatever — were kept ethnically stable by frisky young men with knives and bats if need be. By now though it seems whites have mostly given up and abandoned ship.

    Regarding Steve’s other recent column, I once had a white friend from Calumet City — home of the famed smiley face water towers! — But I see now that neighborhood is up to 76 percent black and losing population.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Known Fact

    White men attacking a black man with baseball bats will bring so much law enforcement and legal review that no town would survive. Every email, every text message of the town officials, local law enforcements, and every social media posting of the residents would be reviewed. What you white man would want to risk decades in federal prison to do such a stupid thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Anonymous

  81. The village where I grew up, Park Forest IL, had such a policy in the ’60s which was successful, but then builders put up federally funded developments next to it which catered to poor blacks, which wrecked the place anyway, in the long run…

  82. @Redneck farmer
    @anonymous

    Why do I suspect "threatening a public official" will be the first law changed?

    Replies: @aNewBanner

    I believe that the intent is to allow protestors to threaten cops when things get spicy or downtown Chicago is overrun. It will not be so generously applied if someone were to threaten Mayor Lightfoot. Likely there’s another statue that protects the political class.

    Chicago is one financial collapse away from the police force going rogue. I wish Second City Cop was still around to document the collapse.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @aNewBanner

    Gordon Lightfoot has a security detail of 80 CPD, including some additional private security. She lives in the trendy Logan Square neighborhood which 30 years ago was heavily infested with Latin Kings and other gangs.

  83. @International Jew
    @Colin Wright

    No kidding. This black-a-block thing (and 19% is a lot more than one per block) plus an equal number of Hispanics doesn't sound so great to me; I wouldn't buy there and I sure as hell wouldn't want my kids in the public school that serves that population.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    No kidding. This black-a-block thing (and 19% is a lot more than one per block) plus an equal number of Hispanics doesn’t sound so great to me; I wouldn’t buy there and I sure as hell wouldn’t want my kids in the public school that serves that population.

    Spot on IJ.

    I was a bit surprised by that the City-Journal article was showing a steady black population.

    Like AlmostMissouri I’d looked the OakPark demographics and then the public school demographics on GreatSchools some time ago and thought–barely over 50% white, 25% black schools, that doesn’t sound pleasant to me. Way above “now there are ‘issues’” threshold.”

    I think what gives Oak Park a semblance of “stability” is the black “pressure” isn’t quite what it once was. The ever increasing diversity is now Hispanic. They’ve pushed the “peak black” of Chicago 40-40-other down and now Chicago is 30-30-30-other. And Cook County (quick glance at Wikipedia, 2020 data not posted) 2010 data is 44-25-24-6 W-B-H-A.

    Oak Park has “solved” anything. Even with all their advantages, they’ve just sort of been like a coffee filter. It keeps the grounds from dropping in right away, but the eventually more and more and more flavor drips through.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @AnotherDad

    Oak Park and Forest River High School is one of the best high schools in Illinois. See the documentary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_to_Me

    It is a high school where the University of Illinois would be considered a safety schools with a 1270 mean SAT score. 3500 kids means that al of the college prep classes are offered. And 18% free lunch means very few poor children.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  84. If this is true, why have only a few other places tried the Oak Park strategy, and why has none replicated its success?

    Sounds like a lot of work is involved keeping Oak Park out of slummy vibrance. Harder to transfer that passion to more ticky-tack environs.

  85. @guest007
    @AnotherDad

    People need to remember that Oak Park is also protected by Milliken V Bradley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliken_v._Bradley where the Supreme Court ruled that children cannot be bussed across political boundaries (among school districts) for integration purposes. If the Supreme Court has ruled the other way in Milliken, no close in suburb would be safe from forced busing and thus, would only have whites who could afford private schools.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    People need to remember that Oak Park is also protected by Milliken V Bradley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milliken_v._Bradley where the Supreme Court ruled that children cannot be bussed across political boundaries (among school districts) for integration purposes. If the Supreme Court has ruled the other way in Milliken, no close in suburb would be safe from forced busing and thus, would only have whites who could afford private schools.

    It is absolutely amazing how much damage these lawyers posing as philosopher kings have done to America since the open-ended–sociological bafflegab–stupidity of Brown. And how close we’ve come to even more devastating stupidity but for a single vote here or there.

    A few of my cousins live in Raleigh and when I first visited them there and learned what crap their kids are subjected to–pulled out of their nice neighbor and walk-to-school and bused miles south into town–you’d think there would be a revolution.

    If you want a lesson in the evil of kritarchy–in all its bossy, pompous glory–look no further than US school “desegregation”.

  86. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Since “black leaders” utter not one syllable of discontent regarding how the negro homelessness “problem” in Chicago comports with the current continuous dumping of Latino illegal aliens in their city, despite the city’s claim of a lack of housing, my compassion for their supposed plight has fallen to zero.

    Happy camping homeless Chicago negroes!

    You’ll get the xmas you deserve!

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrants-bussed-sanctuary-city-chicago-promptly-shipped-off-suburbs

  87. There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly. Before Brown, to apply a racial designation to each student and then send those children to unequal schools based upon race was evil. However, the idea of forced busing and forced integration almost never works. It is one of the main reasons for white flight even thought Steve does not discuss it much.

    In the 21st century the discussion has turned to running out of white students (see discussions from Arizona), curated diversity (See Nikole Hanna-Jones), and the fetishizing of white parents (See NY Times reporting titled “Nice White Parents.).

    What no one seems to want to discuss is the lack of white students in urban public schools is one of the reasons that many blue collar and poor whites are trapped in poverty. Those families cannot move to the cities with growing economics and higher paying jobs (what the Urban Institute calls Center of Economic Opportunity) because there is no place for blue collar families to live and go to school safety.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
    @guest007


    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly.
     
    There are several ways to argue successfully that Brown v. Board of Education was decided incorrectly. None of those ways, alas, will sustain your hunger for virtue signaling.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @Almost Missouri
    @guest007


    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly.
     
    Sure there is. All the "correct" arguing of Brown relied on protean interpretations of the ever-elastic Fourteenth Amendment, which always turns out to mean whatever liberals need it to mean just when they it to mean that, irrespective of what everyone— including the ratifiers—understood it to mean until that morning.

    Learned Hand was right, as usual, when he said that with Brown the Supreme Court had "assumed the role of a third legislative chamber". The Extreme Court mucking into local school board politics was unconstitutional on its face, and kicked off the new and still destructive tradition of the courts appointing themselves as super-legislators. They even decorated their decision with the hallmark of judicial malpractice: psychological studies, in this case ones which purported to show that black students felt inferior due to having to learn with black students—another howler of liberal racist double-think.

    You or I may dislike de jure segregation on principle. I do. But's that's not what the law was. Probably de jure segregation would have succumbed to the civil rights acts of the 1960s anyway, but then it would have happened in a more constitutional and less destructive way. In any case, as you point out, the most damaging part was when the courts went beyond merely abolishing de jure segregation and started ordering students to be bussed all the hell around to make the judges feel good.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @AnotherDad
    @guest007


    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly. Before Brown, to apply a racial designation to each student and then send those children to unequal schools based upon race was evil.
     
    Incorrect. You should read more about Brown.

    A bunch of points:

    -- They could have just said, "public schools are a political matter for the individual states" and left it.

    -- Contra your comment, the factual finding in Brown was that there wasn't anything wrong/deficient with Linda Brown's school. Topeka was not in fact screwing the blacks in terms of funding, resources etc. That certainly was not true in other places and they could have found that funding must be the same.

    -- They could have made a sweeping decision and said basically "Racial discrimination has no place in American law. Individual citizens are free to associate as they wish in their private affairs, but whatever the government does must apply equally to all regardless of race." This would have been a stretch of the 14th amendment's intent, but at least a clear, consistent one.

    States would have had to enact vouchers if they wanted to maintain segregation ... or people would have had to move to a neighborhood where the relevant local schools had the demographics they desired. There would have been follow on lawsuits over equal funding and the like. But what you would not have had is this nonsense of school busing nor--public--affirmative action.

    -- Instead, our genius philosopher kings gave us a ruling based on a bunch of--basically false--sociological bafflegab. Blacks were demeaned by segregation and could not succeed in black schools. Integration--sitting next to white kids--was somehow required for blacks to have equal protection. (A weird idea as Chinese, Japanese, Indian, African, European ... basically most everyone in the world goes to school with their own kind and learns just fine.)

    This of course opened the door, not just to an end to separate schools and an end to racially unequal funding of schools within districts, but to school busing, endless litigation and then to affirmative action.

    We could have had an explicit ruling--no race based laws/practices by the government. And been done with the issue. (Maybe even moved into a golden age of education via states enacting vouchers to take the whole issue out of the government's hands.) Instead, we entered an age of the kritarchs and endless government racializing.

    As written, Brown was a disaster.

    Replies: @guest007

  88. @AnotherDad
    @International Jew


    No kidding. This black-a-block thing (and 19% is a lot more than one per block) plus an equal number of Hispanics doesn’t sound so great to me; I wouldn’t buy there and I sure as hell wouldn’t want my kids in the public school that serves that population.
     
    Spot on IJ.

    I was a bit surprised by that the City-Journal article was showing a steady black population.

    Like AlmostMissouri I'd looked the OakPark demographics and then the public school demographics on GreatSchools some time ago and thought--barely over 50% white, 25% black schools, that doesn't sound pleasant to me. Way above "now there are 'issues'" threshold."

    I think what gives Oak Park a semblance of "stability" is the black "pressure" isn't quite what it once was. The ever increasing diversity is now Hispanic. They've pushed the "peak black" of Chicago 40-40-other down and now Chicago is 30-30-30-other. And Cook County (quick glance at Wikipedia, 2020 data not posted) 2010 data is 44-25-24-6 W-B-H-A.

    Oak Park has "solved" anything. Even with all their advantages, they've just sort of been like a coffee filter. It keeps the grounds from dropping in right away, but the eventually more and more and more flavor drips through.

    Replies: @guest007

    Oak Park and Forest River High School is one of the best high schools in Illinois. See the documentary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_to_Me

    It is a high school where the University of Illinois would be considered a safety schools with a 1270 mean SAT score. 3500 kids means that al of the college prep classes are offered. And 18% free lunch means very few poor children.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @guest007

    Point? (I don't see any contradiction with what I said.)

    Oak Park brings in the whiter (and much less black) River Forest to have a high school that is still majority white. And it is a very well to do area. So, it's full of kids with much better than average parents. But 20% black and 15% Hispanic--even top tier--is not paradise.

    BTW, you are deeply confused about the sort of SAT scores it takes to make the University of Illinois your "safety school". A 1270 does not remotely cut it--unless you're black.

  89. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    IMHO, the most useful part is the school demographics, now relegated to the fine print within the "Equity" section.

    If there were a way to filter up just the test scores and the demographics, it could once again be as useful as the old site.

    A few years ago, back when GreatSchools.org was still straightforward, there was an unintentionally amusing thread at The Straight Dope where a bunch of liberal school parents puzzled over why there were so many low-ranked schools. Their NPC programming prevented them grasping the HBD key that unlocked the entire mystery, so it was fun watching them stumble around in the dark: why are affluent school districts scoring so high? It's a mystery!

    Replies: @International Jew, @Bill, @BenjaminL

    Building-level race demographics still easy to get here:

    https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/

    Extensive school district level demographics for parents, children, or general pop still easy to get here:

    https://nces.ed.gov/programs/edge/Demographic/ACS

    Key demographic is % of parents with college degree. Correlates quite well with the things which are actually important but can be discussed in polite company.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  90. @Bill
    @Hibernian

    Evanston, Hyde Park, and Oak Park are pretty Jewish, at least historically.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Chicago

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Pierre de Craon

    Evanston, Hyde Park, and Oak Park are pretty Jewish, at least historically.

    I was wondering whether mention of this state of affairs would be allowed in this thread.

    Does anyone have a sense of what percent of Oak Park’s present population is Jewish? I know, of course, that Jews have little or no influence in society and that they endure discrimination, even the actual threat of extinction, but still …

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Pierre de Craon

    Not true of Oak Park although there are or at least were two synagogues on its border with River Forest.

  91. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew


    I wouldn’t buy there
     
    I had the same reaction.

    I don't know if Oak Park is so much a "success story" as a "not as bad as Austin" story: managed decline. Formerly middle class whites, now a sixth black, a sixth Mexican, and a bunch of barren white gays and hipsters. According to GreatSchools.org, Oak Park's schoolkids are still (barely) majority white, but the black portion (low 20s%) is higher than the overall black portion, which tells you which way the demographic wind is blowing, and there is large "two or more races" student contingent which is often code for "mulatto with chip on shoulder". Given Oak Park's leftism, how are they going to vote on crucial questions? Like San Diego or like San Francisco? Having a few board members at OPRHC who know the real score is nice, but it isn't enough to change juries or elections.

    ---------

    BTW, GreatSchools.org, which used to be a pretty straightforward school rating system based on test scores, nowadays seems to have some complicated counterintuitive new rating system based on "equity" where not having enough blacks makes your score go down. Another legacy of the Fentanyl Floyd hysteria, probably.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Renard

    It’s not just about the enrollment quotas. It’s also about differential rates of discipline. Those Whose Lives Matter must not be disciplined unless you can find (or conjure up) an equal or larger number of white students to punish. That’s how Equity works.

    Doesn’t matter what anyone may or may not have done, racist.

  92. @guest007
    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly. Before Brown, to apply a racial designation to each student and then send those children to unequal schools based upon race was evil. However, the idea of forced busing and forced integration almost never works. It is one of the main reasons for white flight even thought Steve does not discuss it much.

    In the 21st century the discussion has turned to running out of white students (see discussions from Arizona), curated diversity (See Nikole Hanna-Jones), and the fetishizing of white parents (See NY Times reporting titled "Nice White Parents.).

    What no one seems to want to discuss is the lack of white students in urban public schools is one of the reasons that many blue collar and poor whites are trapped in poverty. Those families cannot move to the cities with growing economics and higher paying jobs (what the Urban Institute calls Center of Economic Opportunity) because there is no place for blue collar families to live and go to school safety.

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly.

    There are several ways to argue successfully that Brown v. Board of Education was decided incorrectly. None of those ways, alas, will sustain your hunger for virtue signaling.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Pierre de Craon

    There is not way to justify separate and unequal schools for students based upon race. It is blatantly unconstitutional. To argue the other way is to also argue that race-based reparations are legal and good public policy.

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon

  93. The word is cherry-picking.
    It cannot be universal, not even widespread.
    The unasked question is where do the unpicked go?

  94. For those of you who don’t know architecture, that’s F L Wright’s own house (before he left his wife for someone else’s) in the upper left corner of the group.

  95. @Known Fact
    Great column, since my county is still just 3 percent black I read these things with interest.

    Is anyone here still living on the South Side? My wife and her family were long-time South Siders (Lawndale, Hubbard High etc) and I get the impression that neighborhoods there in the 60s and 70s -- Polish, Lithuanian, Hispanic or whatever -- were kept ethnically stable by frisky young men with knives and bats if need be. By now though it seems whites have mostly given up and abandoned ship.

    Regarding Steve's other recent column, I once had a white friend from Calumet City -- home of the famed smiley face water towers! -- But I see now that neighborhood is up to 76 percent black and losing population.

    Replies: @guest007

    White men attacking a black man with baseball bats will bring so much law enforcement and legal review that no town would survive. Every email, every text message of the town officials, local law enforcements, and every social media posting of the residents would be reviewed. What you white man would want to risk decades in federal prison to do such a stupid thing.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @guest007

    Of course. I'm talking about how South Chicago neighborhoods operated 50 years ago. Not just against blacks, either.

    , @Anonymous
    @guest007

    The main problem would be white people snitching on each other. Unless you're also willing to deal out bat-beatings to people who may be your own relatives (or relatives of friends), then it's best not to go down that path.

    Whites just aren't very clannish.

  96. @guest007
    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly. Before Brown, to apply a racial designation to each student and then send those children to unequal schools based upon race was evil. However, the idea of forced busing and forced integration almost never works. It is one of the main reasons for white flight even thought Steve does not discuss it much.

    In the 21st century the discussion has turned to running out of white students (see discussions from Arizona), curated diversity (See Nikole Hanna-Jones), and the fetishizing of white parents (See NY Times reporting titled "Nice White Parents.).

    What no one seems to want to discuss is the lack of white students in urban public schools is one of the reasons that many blue collar and poor whites are trapped in poverty. Those families cannot move to the cities with growing economics and higher paying jobs (what the Urban Institute calls Center of Economic Opportunity) because there is no place for blue collar families to live and go to school safety.

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly.

    Sure there is. All the “correct” arguing of Brown relied on protean interpretations of the ever-elastic Fourteenth Amendment, which always turns out to mean whatever liberals need it to mean just when they it to mean that, irrespective of what everyone— including the ratifiers—understood it to mean until that morning.

    Learned Hand was right, as usual, when he said that with Brown the Supreme Court had “assumed the role of a third legislative chamber”. The Extreme Court mucking into local school board politics was unconstitutional on its face, and kicked off the new and still destructive tradition of the courts appointing themselves as super-legislators. They even decorated their decision with the hallmark of judicial malpractice: psychological studies, in this case ones which purported to show that black students felt inferior due to having to learn with black students—another howler of liberal racist double-think.

    You or I may dislike de jure segregation on principle. I do. But’s that’s not what the law was. Probably de jure segregation would have succumbed to the civil rights acts of the 1960s anyway, but then it would have happened in a more constitutional and less destructive way. In any case, as you point out, the most damaging part was when the courts went beyond merely abolishing de jure segregation and started ordering students to be bussed all the hell around to make the judges feel good.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Almost Missouri

    If the Supreme Court can stated that de jure segregation is legal (Plessy Vs Ferguson) then the Supreme court can say that it is unconstitutional. And the civil rights acts are not what black equal citizens. It is in the Constitution. The Civil Rights Laws were to force racist state and local government to follow the Constitution.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  97. @AndrewR
    @Bill

    I visited my friend in Riverside once and we drove to Oak Park. I saw a cemetery and asked him to stop in it (I love cemeteries). Turns out Emma Goldman is buried there.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I trust you did the right thing and had a recurrence of the old bladder problem that you’ve mentioned here from time to time.

  98. @Reg Cæsar

    In Austin in the late 1960s, unscrupulous realtors went
     
    Wait, isn't Realtor a trademark, not a generic? Never mind orthographical correctness, are you asking for legal trouble?

    Oak Park’s many no doubt illegal policies are almost never challenged in court and seldom even mentioned in the newspapers...
     
    Similarly, when have you ever seen a gun shop hauled into court for discrimination? "I don't feel right about this sale" is a get-out-of-jail-free card.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @keypusher

    Also, what exactly is unscrupulous about someone warning you that you’re about to lose 90% of the value of your home? Not sure I’m remembering my iSteve history correctly, but Steve, wouldn’t it have been better for your father-in-law if someone had persuaded him to get out of Chicago sooner?

    The really astounding thing about this article is how much patient, detailed planning strategizing, funding etc. plus the perfect concatenation of circumstances identified in the full article (definitely worth reading) to make long-term residential integration work.

  99. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Things just got a whole lot shittier for the state of Illinois. I would strongly suggest the residents of Oak Park retain some semi-automatic firearms, and go to a local rifle range to get proficient with them. Also get yourselves well versed in your local self-defense laws.

    The Illinois negroes will become unbelievably bold in the coming year.

    When the negroes converge, the police won’t help you.

  100. Racially diverse but all yuppies. It makes perfect sense. Yuppies don’t really have culture or values other than status and money. This is far more important than skin color so it makes sense that they can live together. They “value diversity” because they were told to even though it’s trivial diversity.

  101. @Anon
    In 2021, the village’s population was 18.4 percent black.

    According to census.gov , my FL city (pop. 90K) is 9% black, and my county (pop. 600K) is 10% black. And blacks make up 90% of the mug shots in the daily arrest list in the local newspaper.

    I'm thinking Oak Park's 18.4% black demographic is twice the acceptable limit for peaceful living.

    Replies: @Muggles

    And blacks make up 90% of the mug shots in the daily arrest list in the local newspaper.

    That is why major newspapers no longer run mug shots. Even suburban papers, though most of those are secretly owned by the same corps which own the big daily.

    Most major papers won’t even run news shots of violent arrested criminals in shoot outs. When the vics are shown and are black, usually the perp/perps are also.

    I often search online fake news sources (Newser is one) where I’m curious about the perps. Sometimes the TV websites show footage of arrestees, or victims in shooting in “vibrant” settings.

    Probably one in 15 perps is not Black! . Or you have to tell by the names (Juwan, etc.).

    It is pro Negro bigotry and racism by the Media, which pretends this kind of gaming is virtuous.

    Learning facts is now considered a Hate Crime when the “facts” don’t fit the Narrative.

    The fact that clueless or brainwashed young women get raped and murdered, because they believe the Fantasy World of the NYT or CNN, is not considered worth reporting truthfully for. These same Fake News outlets of course, all pretend to be pro feminist. But only if you include the Fake Men in dresses hanging out in the women’s locker room.

  102. @guest007
    @AnotherDad

    Oak Park and Forest River High School is one of the best high schools in Illinois. See the documentary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_to_Me

    It is a high school where the University of Illinois would be considered a safety schools with a 1270 mean SAT score. 3500 kids means that al of the college prep classes are offered. And 18% free lunch means very few poor children.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Point? (I don’t see any contradiction with what I said.)

    Oak Park brings in the whiter (and much less black) River Forest to have a high school that is still majority white. And it is a very well to do area. So, it’s full of kids with much better than average parents. But 20% black and 15% Hispanic–even top tier–is not paradise.

    BTW, you are deeply confused about the sort of SAT scores it takes to make the University of Illinois your “safety school”. A 1270 does not remotely cut it–unless you’re black.

  103. @Ed
    Re: Jackson, MS I wonder if the city powers would quietly try to do this with public schools? Allow them to be racially segregated by choice or managed integration as a way to grow the white population.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Speaking of Jackson, here is some more info on the mess that Jackson MS made of their water system.
    You will be shocked, shocked I say, to find out that minority contracting was involved.

    https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2022/09/07/jackson-ms-problems-are-deeper-than-the-water-n494942

  104. @guest007
    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly. Before Brown, to apply a racial designation to each student and then send those children to unequal schools based upon race was evil. However, the idea of forced busing and forced integration almost never works. It is one of the main reasons for white flight even thought Steve does not discuss it much.

    In the 21st century the discussion has turned to running out of white students (see discussions from Arizona), curated diversity (See Nikole Hanna-Jones), and the fetishizing of white parents (See NY Times reporting titled "Nice White Parents.).

    What no one seems to want to discuss is the lack of white students in urban public schools is one of the reasons that many blue collar and poor whites are trapped in poverty. Those families cannot move to the cities with growing economics and higher paying jobs (what the Urban Institute calls Center of Economic Opportunity) because there is no place for blue collar families to live and go to school safety.

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon, @Almost Missouri, @AnotherDad

    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly. Before Brown, to apply a racial designation to each student and then send those children to unequal schools based upon race was evil.

    Incorrect. You should read more about Brown.

    A bunch of points:

    — They could have just said, “public schools are a political matter for the individual states” and left it.

    — Contra your comment, the factual finding in Brown was that there wasn’t anything wrong/deficient with Linda Brown’s school. Topeka was not in fact screwing the blacks in terms of funding, resources etc. That certainly was not true in other places and they could have found that funding must be the same.

    — They could have made a sweeping decision and said basically “Racial discrimination has no place in American law. Individual citizens are free to associate as they wish in their private affairs, but whatever the government does must apply equally to all regardless of race.” This would have been a stretch of the 14th amendment’s intent, but at least a clear, consistent one.

    States would have had to enact vouchers if they wanted to maintain segregation … or people would have had to move to a neighborhood where the relevant local schools had the demographics they desired. There would have been follow on lawsuits over equal funding and the like. But what you would not have had is this nonsense of school busing nor–public–affirmative action.

    — Instead, our genius philosopher kings gave us a ruling based on a bunch of–basically false–sociological bafflegab. Blacks were demeaned by segregation and could not succeed in black schools. Integration–sitting next to white kids–was somehow required for blacks to have equal protection. (A weird idea as Chinese, Japanese, Indian, African, European … basically most everyone in the world goes to school with their own kind and learns just fine.)

    This of course opened the door, not just to an end to separate schools and an end to racially unequal funding of schools within districts, but to school busing, endless litigation and then to affirmative action.

    We could have had an explicit ruling–no race based laws/practices by the government. And been done with the issue. (Maybe even moved into a golden age of education via states enacting vouchers to take the whole issue out of the government’s hands.) Instead, we entered an age of the kritarchs and endless government racializing.

    As written, Brown was a disaster.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @guest007
    @AnotherDad

    A state voucher system would have solved very little. It would have just moved the college application system down to the first grade level. Look at the analysis of the New York City school choice program. Many more families would be trying to get into the best elementary school just like they try to get into Harvard of UNC-Chapel Hill. However, most students in a choice system would just have to settle for a mediocre school with no hope of improvement.

    What caused the endless litigation is the struggle of whites in almost the entire country to hold on to whatever segregation benefitted them. That is where the courts came in in the 1960's. It also gave an opening for the legal system to butt in using disparate impact to use for endless lawsuits.

  105. @guest007
    @Known Fact

    White men attacking a black man with baseball bats will bring so much law enforcement and legal review that no town would survive. Every email, every text message of the town officials, local law enforcements, and every social media posting of the residents would be reviewed. What you white man would want to risk decades in federal prison to do such a stupid thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Anonymous

    Of course. I’m talking about how South Chicago neighborhoods operated 50 years ago. Not just against blacks, either.

  106. If you insist on living in the Chicago area, get a gun.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Anonymous

    Was the guy that got sucker punched a White guy? He's got a string chin; he bounced right up from that knockdown w/o any effects.

    Replies: @Anon

  107. @Almost Missouri
    @International Jew

    IMHO, the most useful part is the school demographics, now relegated to the fine print within the "Equity" section.

    If there were a way to filter up just the test scores and the demographics, it could once again be as useful as the old site.

    A few years ago, back when GreatSchools.org was still straightforward, there was an unintentionally amusing thread at The Straight Dope where a bunch of liberal school parents puzzled over why there were so many low-ranked schools. Their NPC programming prevented them grasping the HBD key that unlocked the entire mystery, so it was fun watching them stumble around in the dark: why are affluent school districts scoring so high? It's a mystery!

    Replies: @International Jew, @Bill, @BenjaminL

    Schooldigger.com is an excellent site for quickly looking up school demographics and test scores, with none of the woke nonsense.

    The historical data is interesting. For example, Oak Park River Forest High went from 72% to 56% white between 1988 and 2021.

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schools/2928003070/school.aspx

    Austin College and Career Academy High went from 98% to 94% black between 2009 and 2021

    https://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/schools/0993005984/school.aspx

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  108. As it happens, I recently attended a funeral for an Oak Park native, with many Oak Park family and friends (mostly Irish-Catholic) in attendance. One got the definite vibe that these people operated on levels a hick from the sticks like me would not comprehend, like Italians from New Jersey. Unspoken understandings, and the resolve to clarify them if and when necessary.

  109. Frankie Laport, capo di tutti i capi, of the Chicago Outfit settled there. It was the clan’s Connecticut in the 1950s and on.

    If I remember right, there was an Obama connection too

  110. @aNewBanner
    @Redneck farmer

    I believe that the intent is to allow protestors to threaten cops when things get spicy or downtown Chicago is overrun. It will not be so generously applied if someone were to threaten Mayor Lightfoot. Likely there’s another statue that protects the political class.

    Chicago is one financial collapse away from the police force going rogue. I wish Second City Cop was still around to document the collapse.

    Replies: @Anon

    Gordon Lightfoot has a security detail of 80 CPD, including some additional private security. She lives in the trendy Logan Square neighborhood which 30 years ago was heavily infested with Latin Kings and other gangs.

  111. @guest007
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No one ever points out that more than 2/3 of the housing stock in the U.S. was built after the Fair Housing Act was passed. Most current housing in the U.S. was never redlined. In addition, Mr. Rothstein never mentions population growth and lies, by omission, that current home ownership does not map onto previous homeownership. Mr. Rothstein implies that every white homeowner had a white ancestor that passed down huge amounts of wealthy without expliciting saying it and being caught is a factual lie.

    What is also amazing is the number of progressives who have praised both "The Color of Law" and "The Two-Income Trap" by Elizabeth Warren without noting that the two books contradict each other and cannot be reconciled.

    Replies: @Ed

    Right and that some neighborhoods experienced white flight, in the suburbs, well after the 60s. Think Ferguson, Eastpointe MI or suburban Chicago.

    The major media just doesn’t want to deal with the simple fact that many people, white, Asian, Hispanic and even some blacks, don’t want to live around blacks today.

  112. @Arclight
    @Colin Wright

    This is the real legacy of slavery - the unbelievable amount of time, effort, and treasure expended annually to deal with a group that represents just 1/8th of the population. It's a tax on society that we will never get rid of.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘This is the real legacy of slavery – the unbelievable amount of time, effort, and treasure expended annually to deal with a group that represents just 1/8th of the population. It’s a tax on society that we will never get rid of.’

    On the other hand, does it have to be that way?

    Blacks will never be an ornament and an asset to America — but isn’t most of the various costs a result of the absurd attempt to pretend that this particular sow’s ear is a silk purse?

    What if we policed them firmly, made no attempt to extend the same freedoms to them that we extend to others, didn’t expect much from them in the way of academic achievement, insisted that they work, and took care to ensure there were enough unskilled jobs requiring only dumb labor so that they could work?

    They’d cost a lot less — and probably be less frustrated and unhappy. Their erstwhile victims would be better off as well.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Colin Wright

    We need to establish and firmly enforce societal expectations equally - college admissions, crime and punishment, and do away with using the social welfare system to prop up massive dysfunction in adult relationships and childrearing and let the chips fall where they may.

    There was a time in in which blacks were very similar to whites in terms of workforce participation and married households, but the pivot from the respectability politics in the runup to the civil rights era to the era of black exuberance has been a disaster for all concerned. Time to start tightening the screws again.

  113. @Anonymous
    If you insist on living in the Chicago area, get a gun.

    https://twitter.com/eclipsethis2003/status/1568009704877719552?s=20&t=9Frf8MLOBUDfi_Rmj_AjRg

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    Was the guy that got sucker punched a White guy? He’s got a string chin; he bounced right up from that knockdown w/o any effects.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @E. Rekshun


    Was the guy that got sucker punched a White guy? He’s got a string chin; he bounced right up from that knockdown w/o any effects.
     
    Are White men reputed to have not-strong chins?
  114. @E. Rekshun
    @Anonymous

    Was the guy that got sucker punched a White guy? He's got a string chin; he bounced right up from that knockdown w/o any effects.

    Replies: @Anon

    Was the guy that got sucker punched a White guy? He’s got a string chin; he bounced right up from that knockdown w/o any effects.

    Are White men reputed to have not-strong chins?

  115. @Steve Sailer
    @Polistra

    I could well imagine that the next time a black homicidal maniac is shot by the police in Chicago that the sociology department at Northwestern burns down Oak Park just to spite me.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    I could well imagine that the next time a black homicidal maniac is shot by the police in Chicago, the sociology department at Northwestern burns down Oak Park just to spite me.

    No kidding.

    I mean, could there be anything more completely, purely,

    blindingly

    white than the buildings of Frank Lloyd Wright?

    écrasez l’infâme

    Burn it all down.

  116. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Another insidious aspect of police doing the least they can is neighbors can get a feud going, and because the police are wildly inconsistent in managing problems, neighbors slowly increase the pressure on each other until one of them snaps.

    It’s like we used to follow the modern Western European dictum of not being vigilantes, and letting the state manage conflict between people via a court of law. The police’s general hands-off approach means they’re pressuring people to go back to the ways of competing tribes, settling matters on their own, and neighbors shooting each other.

    The “hands-off” approach my city’s police have adopted creates public tension you can cut with a knife, and people are doing just that. It’s like the police are trying to get people to be constantly wary of each other, like one might in a tribal, third world society.

    Having grown up in a relatively high-trust society, the differences between the past and now are a mile wide. People don’t like each other much in middle-class areas on down. With unchecked diversity, the tension is always around.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous


    The “hands-off” approach my city’s police have adopted creates public tension you can cut with a knife, and people are doing just that.
     
    What city?

    People don’t like each other much in middle-class areas on down.
     
    Is that how it always is?
  117. @Pierre de Craon
    @guest007


    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly.
     
    There are several ways to argue successfully that Brown v. Board of Education was decided incorrectly. None of those ways, alas, will sustain your hunger for virtue signaling.

    Replies: @guest007

    There is not way to justify separate and unequal schools for students based upon race. It is blatantly unconstitutional. To argue the other way is to also argue that race-based reparations are legal and good public policy.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
    @guest007

    The first sentence of your reply demonstrates ignorance of the great many justifications—legal, social, and otherwise—that were simply ignored by the power-mad and cowardly members of the Warren Court. I added "cowardly" because something between four and six of the justices were initially going to vote against the plaintiff. They caved to political pressure, not to watertight legal arguments.

    The second sentence is false and demonstrates ignorance of both the plain language of the Constitution and of the historical circumstances in which the document and, later, the various amendments were ratified.

    As for the third sentence, have you noticed that you barely need the fingers of your two hands to count the number of high-level public officials of the past sixty years who haven't declared their deeply held conviction that "race-based reparations are legal and good public policy"?

    In short, your contention and its supporting arguments are bad enough to have been taken word for word from something George Will wrote.

    Replies: @guest007

  118. @Anonymous
    Another insidious aspect of police doing the least they can is neighbors can get a feud going, and because the police are wildly inconsistent in managing problems, neighbors slowly increase the pressure on each other until one of them snaps.

    It’s like we used to follow the modern Western European dictum of not being vigilantes, and letting the state manage conflict between people via a court of law. The police's general hands-off approach means they’re pressuring people to go back to the ways of competing tribes, settling matters on their own, and neighbors shooting each other.

    The "hands-off" approach my city's police have adopted creates public tension you can cut with a knife, and people are doing just that. It’s like the police are trying to get people to be constantly wary of each other, like one might in a tribal, third world society.

    Having grown up in a relatively high-trust society, the differences between the past and now are a mile wide. People don’t like each other much in middle-class areas on down. With unchecked diversity, the tension is always around.

    Replies: @Anon

    The “hands-off” approach my city’s police have adopted creates public tension you can cut with a knife, and people are doing just that.

    What city?

    People don’t like each other much in middle-class areas on down.

    Is that how it always is?

  119. @Almost Missouri
    @guest007


    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly.
     
    Sure there is. All the "correct" arguing of Brown relied on protean interpretations of the ever-elastic Fourteenth Amendment, which always turns out to mean whatever liberals need it to mean just when they it to mean that, irrespective of what everyone— including the ratifiers—understood it to mean until that morning.

    Learned Hand was right, as usual, when he said that with Brown the Supreme Court had "assumed the role of a third legislative chamber". The Extreme Court mucking into local school board politics was unconstitutional on its face, and kicked off the new and still destructive tradition of the courts appointing themselves as super-legislators. They even decorated their decision with the hallmark of judicial malpractice: psychological studies, in this case ones which purported to show that black students felt inferior due to having to learn with black students—another howler of liberal racist double-think.

    You or I may dislike de jure segregation on principle. I do. But's that's not what the law was. Probably de jure segregation would have succumbed to the civil rights acts of the 1960s anyway, but then it would have happened in a more constitutional and less destructive way. In any case, as you point out, the most damaging part was when the courts went beyond merely abolishing de jure segregation and started ordering students to be bussed all the hell around to make the judges feel good.

    Replies: @guest007

    If the Supreme Court can stated that de jure segregation is legal (Plessy Vs Ferguson) then the Supreme court can say that it is unconstitutional. And the civil rights acts are not what black equal citizens. It is in the Constitution. The Civil Rights Laws were to force racist state and local government to follow the Constitution.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @guest007


    If the Supreme Court can stated that de jure segregation is legal (Plessy Vs Ferguson) then the Supreme court can say that it is unconstitutional.
     
    This is just a way of saying that the Constitution means whatever the Extreme Court says it means at any given moment, which is another way of saying that there is no Constitution, nor law of any kind for that matter, just the perpetually shifting whims of judges. The "Living Constitution" casuistry is the same thing with a little more academic sophistry behind it. Plessy v. Ferguson may or may not have been nice or just, but it had the virtue of being actually based on the written Constitution.

    Replies: @guest007

  120. @AnotherDad
    @guest007


    There is no way to argue that Brown was decided incorrectly. Before Brown, to apply a racial designation to each student and then send those children to unequal schools based upon race was evil.
     
    Incorrect. You should read more about Brown.

    A bunch of points:

    -- They could have just said, "public schools are a political matter for the individual states" and left it.

    -- Contra your comment, the factual finding in Brown was that there wasn't anything wrong/deficient with Linda Brown's school. Topeka was not in fact screwing the blacks in terms of funding, resources etc. That certainly was not true in other places and they could have found that funding must be the same.

    -- They could have made a sweeping decision and said basically "Racial discrimination has no place in American law. Individual citizens are free to associate as they wish in their private affairs, but whatever the government does must apply equally to all regardless of race." This would have been a stretch of the 14th amendment's intent, but at least a clear, consistent one.

    States would have had to enact vouchers if they wanted to maintain segregation ... or people would have had to move to a neighborhood where the relevant local schools had the demographics they desired. There would have been follow on lawsuits over equal funding and the like. But what you would not have had is this nonsense of school busing nor--public--affirmative action.

    -- Instead, our genius philosopher kings gave us a ruling based on a bunch of--basically false--sociological bafflegab. Blacks were demeaned by segregation and could not succeed in black schools. Integration--sitting next to white kids--was somehow required for blacks to have equal protection. (A weird idea as Chinese, Japanese, Indian, African, European ... basically most everyone in the world goes to school with their own kind and learns just fine.)

    This of course opened the door, not just to an end to separate schools and an end to racially unequal funding of schools within districts, but to school busing, endless litigation and then to affirmative action.

    We could have had an explicit ruling--no race based laws/practices by the government. And been done with the issue. (Maybe even moved into a golden age of education via states enacting vouchers to take the whole issue out of the government's hands.) Instead, we entered an age of the kritarchs and endless government racializing.

    As written, Brown was a disaster.

    Replies: @guest007

    A state voucher system would have solved very little. It would have just moved the college application system down to the first grade level. Look at the analysis of the New York City school choice program. Many more families would be trying to get into the best elementary school just like they try to get into Harvard of UNC-Chapel Hill. However, most students in a choice system would just have to settle for a mediocre school with no hope of improvement.

    What caused the endless litigation is the struggle of whites in almost the entire country to hold on to whatever segregation benefitted them. That is where the courts came in in the 1960’s. It also gave an opening for the legal system to butt in using disparate impact to use for endless lawsuits.

  121. @Pierre de Craon
    @Bill


    Evanston, Hyde Park, and Oak Park are pretty Jewish, at least historically.
     
    I was wondering whether mention of this state of affairs would be allowed in this thread.

    Does anyone have a sense of what percent of Oak Park's present population is Jewish? I know, of course, that Jews have little or no influence in society and that they endure discrimination, even the actual threat of extinction, but still …

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Not true of Oak Park although there are or at least were two synagogues on its border with River Forest.

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon
  122. @Feryl
    @Colin Wright

    It's almost as if the civil rights revolution (including desegregation policies) became a means to profit for less than conscientious people. Of course there was also the feel-good grandstanding opportunities the movement provided in addition to the puritanical cleansing of America's Original Sin (rampant contempt for the inherent deficiencies of black folk). After 60+years of banging our heads against the wall in frustration over the embarrassing fact that ordinary blacks saw their quality of life decline considerably in the wake of Civil Rights (while the top 10-20% made off pretty well), we've had a collective mental breakdown arising from George Floyd (a racist's wet dream in his beastliness) of all people being turned into a martyr.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘It’s almost as if the civil rights revolution (including desegregation policies) became a means to profit for less than conscientious people…’

    This happened during Reconstruction as well. Is the general principle that the unscrupulous will exploit any sudden change in the status quo at all, or that they will exploit changes in the status quo based upon a lie?

  123. @AnotherDad

    Its long-term success in stabilizing integration makes Oak Park an exception. But what rule does it prove? It’s clear to Breymaier that, because managed integration has bequeathed “strong and stable property values” and “a foundation for community harmony,” Oak Park has “provided a replicable model for other communities.”
     
    Beyond all the other stuff going on, a recurrent thing I've seen in my life is just the utter crappiness of the "logic" and assertions we get from this plague of verbalist "experts" America has been cursed with the past 50-60 years. Usually wrong ... always full of shit.

    I'm not saying there aren't plenty of confused--and sometimes pompously confused and stupid-- people in STEM. There are. But it isn't generally full of "experts" who can't even do the most rudimentary analysis.

    Oak Park "works" because:
    1) Oak Park's location, character and amenities is attractive to a fair number of people, including whites willing to put up with more "diversity" than they otherwise would in order to live there
    2) #1 means higher prices (rents and purchase) which provides a modest screen to start with
    3) Oak Park's housing bureaucrats are allowed to reject undesirable and excess blacks and dump them in other communities

    This "model" is not even extendable to more than a tiny number of communities in Chicago! Much less any sort of generalizable model ... without a noxious nationwide housing police state--"you can not move!"--that would embarrass even Kim Jong Il.

    And figuring this out, is ridiculously straightforward. Orders of magnitude easier than what I had to do on the job.

    But to blathering verbalist "experts" ... "a replicable model for other communities.” (Ok, yeah a few.)

    Replies: @guest007, @Colin Wright

    ‘…But to blathering verbalist “experts” … “a replicable model for other communities.” (Ok, yeah a few.)’

    This begs the question of why anyone would want to replicate it. Find me the community that feels deprived of its fair share of blacks.

  124. @Nervous in Stalingrad
    @Anonymous


    How though were the first couple of blacks able to outbid whites to start the process?
     
    I was led to understand that estate agents developed a tactic to get the process underway.

    The idea was to create the impression that the arrival of black families into a given neighbourhood was imminent. Whether or not they were actually arriving was immaterial: even the thought of one black family arriving shortly could trigger a mass selloff.

    (And, of course, people were anxious to sell while home prices were still relatively high.)

    Anyway, the name of the tactic was "blockbusting" and, as Steve has pointed out, estate agents made an awful lot of money off it and similar schemes.

    Replies: @ArthurBiggs

    When there’s a half a million black people across the railroad tracks, or highway, or major street, there’s no need to create the impression. Everyone knows what’s happening. Fair housing laws, the news media, and wealthy white/jewish disdain for racist whites doomed the less affluent areas to rapid demographic change. White people fled to avoid the coming violence. Wealthy areas were able to hang on a little longer, but I wouldn’t live in Oak Park. Theft, robbery, and burglary are way above the state average.

    https://www.city-data.com/city/Oak-Park-Illinois.html

    Plus, it’s filled with typical gay-friendly lefty liberals. Definitely not a place to raise a family.

  125. @guest007
    @Almost Missouri

    If the Supreme Court can stated that de jure segregation is legal (Plessy Vs Ferguson) then the Supreme court can say that it is unconstitutional. And the civil rights acts are not what black equal citizens. It is in the Constitution. The Civil Rights Laws were to force racist state and local government to follow the Constitution.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    If the Supreme Court can stated that de jure segregation is legal (Plessy Vs Ferguson) then the Supreme court can say that it is unconstitutional.

    This is just a way of saying that the Constitution means whatever the Extreme Court says it means at any given moment, which is another way of saying that there is no Constitution, nor law of any kind for that matter, just the perpetually shifting whims of judges. The “Living Constitution” casuistry is the same thing with a little more academic sophistry behind it. Plessy v. Ferguson may or may not have been nice or just, but it had the virtue of being actually based on the written Constitution.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Almost Missouri

    There is no way to argue that Plessy was based on the Constitution. Please cite the clause that allows unequal treatment of citizens based upon race. And the south went the next 70 years ignoring the text of the ruling while enforcing the separate part but ignoring the equal part.

  126. @guest007
    @Known Fact

    White men attacking a black man with baseball bats will bring so much law enforcement and legal review that no town would survive. Every email, every text message of the town officials, local law enforcements, and every social media posting of the residents would be reviewed. What you white man would want to risk decades in federal prison to do such a stupid thing.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Anonymous

    The main problem would be white people snitching on each other. Unless you’re also willing to deal out bat-beatings to people who may be your own relatives (or relatives of friends), then it’s best not to go down that path.

    Whites just aren’t very clannish.

  127. The Equity Assurance Program guaranteed policyholders that they would be compensated if they found themselves selling their home at a price below what they paid for it.

    Perhaps the best evidence for the success of Oak Park’s effort to stabilize integration is that no claims have ever been made under this insurance program.

    I’d guess the same groups that conspire with racial placements also have a way to buy any property that may sell for for a loss. So, the assurance program is never used.

    But, if there’s a broad property market decline in Chicagoland, couldn’t this cost spiral to epic sums once one person makes a successful claim? And I’d wager a paycheck that this “Equity Assurance Program” is NOT properly capitalised to deal with extreme scenarios. This is a Chicago-area agency after all.

    Or do I underestimate the Soprano-grade ruthlessness that Oak Parka elites will go to in order to keep their suburban haven?

  128. @Colin Wright
    @Arclight

    'This is the real legacy of slavery – the unbelievable amount of time, effort, and treasure expended annually to deal with a group that represents just 1/8th of the population. It’s a tax on society that we will never get rid of.'

    On the other hand, does it have to be that way?

    Blacks will never be an ornament and an asset to America -- but isn't most of the various costs a result of the absurd attempt to pretend that this particular sow's ear is a silk purse?

    What if we policed them firmly, made no attempt to extend the same freedoms to them that we extend to others, didn't expect much from them in the way of academic achievement, insisted that they work, and took care to ensure there were enough unskilled jobs requiring only dumb labor so that they could work?

    They'd cost a lot less -- and probably be less frustrated and unhappy. Their erstwhile victims would be better off as well.

    Replies: @Arclight

    We need to establish and firmly enforce societal expectations equally – college admissions, crime and punishment, and do away with using the social welfare system to prop up massive dysfunction in adult relationships and childrearing and let the chips fall where they may.

    There was a time in in which blacks were very similar to whites in terms of workforce participation and married households, but the pivot from the respectability politics in the runup to the civil rights era to the era of black exuberance has been a disaster for all concerned. Time to start tightening the screws again.

  129. @guest007
    @Pierre de Craon

    There is not way to justify separate and unequal schools for students based upon race. It is blatantly unconstitutional. To argue the other way is to also argue that race-based reparations are legal and good public policy.

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon

    The first sentence of your reply demonstrates ignorance of the great many justifications—legal, social, and otherwise—that were simply ignored by the power-mad and cowardly members of the Warren Court. I added “cowardly” because something between four and six of the justices were initially going to vote against the plaintiff. They caved to political pressure, not to watertight legal arguments.

    The second sentence is false and demonstrates ignorance of both the plain language of the Constitution and of the historical circumstances in which the document and, later, the various amendments were ratified.

    As for the third sentence, have you noticed that you barely need the fingers of your two hands to count the number of high-level public officials of the past sixty years who haven’t declared their deeply held conviction that “race-based reparations are legal and good public policy”?

    In short, your contention and its supporting arguments are bad enough to have been taken word for word from something George Will wrote.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Pierre de Craon

    The please provide the clauses in the Constitution that would allow the government to assign everyone to a racial classification and then treat those racial groups differently to the point of having different degrees of bill of rights protections. We will all be waiting a long time.

  130. @Almost Missouri
    @guest007


    If the Supreme Court can stated that de jure segregation is legal (Plessy Vs Ferguson) then the Supreme court can say that it is unconstitutional.
     
    This is just a way of saying that the Constitution means whatever the Extreme Court says it means at any given moment, which is another way of saying that there is no Constitution, nor law of any kind for that matter, just the perpetually shifting whims of judges. The "Living Constitution" casuistry is the same thing with a little more academic sophistry behind it. Plessy v. Ferguson may or may not have been nice or just, but it had the virtue of being actually based on the written Constitution.

    Replies: @guest007

    There is no way to argue that Plessy was based on the Constitution. Please cite the clause that allows unequal treatment of citizens based upon race. And the south went the next 70 years ignoring the text of the ruling while enforcing the separate part but ignoring the equal part.

  131. @Pierre de Craon
    @guest007

    The first sentence of your reply demonstrates ignorance of the great many justifications—legal, social, and otherwise—that were simply ignored by the power-mad and cowardly members of the Warren Court. I added "cowardly" because something between four and six of the justices were initially going to vote against the plaintiff. They caved to political pressure, not to watertight legal arguments.

    The second sentence is false and demonstrates ignorance of both the plain language of the Constitution and of the historical circumstances in which the document and, later, the various amendments were ratified.

    As for the third sentence, have you noticed that you barely need the fingers of your two hands to count the number of high-level public officials of the past sixty years who haven't declared their deeply held conviction that "race-based reparations are legal and good public policy"?

    In short, your contention and its supporting arguments are bad enough to have been taken word for word from something George Will wrote.

    Replies: @guest007

    The please provide the clauses in the Constitution that would allow the government to assign everyone to a racial classification and then treat those racial groups differently to the point of having different degrees of bill of rights protections. We will all be waiting a long time.

  132. Look into Montclair, NJ. They had a similar situation as Oak Park but now most of the blacks have been pushed out by gentrification.

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