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The Democrats had a disappointing evening on Tuesday. But since then, with the last votes to be counted trending Democratic (as they so often do), they can still see their dreams of controlling the White House and both houses of Congress come true.
There were two Senate races in Georgia on Tuesday. It now looks like in neither race will anybody get 50.0%, so there will be runoffs on January 5, 2021. If the Democrats win both, they will have 50 Senators, and if Kamala Harris is VP, she would be the tie-breaker.
How much money are Democrats going to spend if there are two runoffs in Georgia?
Until the Trump Era, liberals complained frequently about campaign spending as being anti-democratic and biased toward Republican corporate interests. From 2010 through 2016, the New York Times ran an average of a couple of articles per week complaining about the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision freeing up campaign spending. But then in 2017, it dawned on the Times that Hillary had spent twice as much as Trump, so now unchecked campaign spending was a good thing.
[Methodological notes: I searched on “‘Citizens United’ campaign” for the first 10 months of each year at NYTimes.com.]
This year, progressives exulted over huge expenditures on Senate and House races, with the Democrats spending $6.9 billion, about twice that of the GOP. In South Carolina, Democratic challenger Jaime Harrison raised $109 million as of October 14 versus Lindsey Graham’s $74 million, decisively smashing Beto O’Rourke’s old record.
So how much are the Democrats going to pour into Georgia to save their 2020 and give them unchecked power? A quarter of a billion?
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Note sure they have to spend much. They have vote counting down to a science.
There is nothing more important than getting people to realize that we are no longer living in a "democracy" - [let alone a republic!] We are living in an utterly corrupt empire ruled by wealthy oligarchs who despise us, who can't wait until we're all dead, and who are perfectly ready & willing to hasten that goal - by any means necessary.
Will the open & apparent fraud of this election have opened any eyes?
I hope so - but I hope without much confidence.
The Billionaires got all the money Dems need.
Can we stop pretending we have free speech in this country? Nobody can say a word that’s not approved. Say something un-woke in your private life, you get fired. Livelihood gone. Sometimes your family is attacked.
We have no freedom of association. We can be forced stay indoors for long periods.
Someone said country boys would always go fight for Uncle Sam, to be part of a bad ass operation (implication being they’re rubes who are easy fooled). But is that really true?
How much worse would we be under direct CCP control?
Steve,
Harrison (D)in South Carolina spent $105,502,730 according to Ballotpedia and received 43.0 percent of vote as compared to Mark Curran (R) who spent less than 1 million in Illinois while losing to Dick Durban with 41% of the vote. Not only did Harrison waste $100 million but he probably just got the votes that any generic Democratic candidate would have received.
Once again, money is the most overrated part of politics.
But Wednesday night and Thursday night were much better.
Nearly everyone in this forum predicted that the Democrats would use Tuesday to figure out how many votes they’d need, and then magically produce them over the next few days. Lo and behold…
Democrats should spend half of their take on hiring Boz Scaggs to reprise his anthemic tome to mark their daylight heist – maybe even buy the rights
The Republican establishment will take the runoff elections much more seriously than the Presidential one (in which many of them are secretly glad that Trump is losing). Even if there is a 50-50 split, I can’t see the Dems convincing, say, Joe Manchin to abolish the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court. They can put pressure on him, but he is likely not to run again in 2024, and I doubt he’d like to go down in history as a he man whose single vote destroyed America.
If they get away with stealing the presidency, they won’t need to spend any money campaigning ever again, because they will be able to “adjust” the results of any election they want by any amount they want.
And if they don’t get away with it, it’s hard to see them winning any elections for a long time afterward, so why bother spending?
Shouldn’t surprise. The Democrats are the party of Big Businesses enjoying the competition between American states to be the legal base of corporations, which is a prize Delaware won. Of course the MSM (who are part of big business) especially the NYT articulates what business wants by quoting president elect Biden speaking from Wilmington, which has an empire of Fortune 500 companies incorporated there.
Business has succeeded in subjecting the American worker to competition by outsourcing, and immigrant labor for those jobs that cannot be outsourced. The next step for the elite is to give Wilmington, Delaware competition from all over the globe. Foreign countries will vie to be the one supplying the law and tax regime that is most favourable to US corporations, and corporations will begin to leave America entirely, thereby US big business that got Biden elected will be protected from his new taxes, which will hit small business very hard.
The Republicans will be forced to fall back on Poujadism, whose supporters will be even less able to give the Republicans the financial resources to compete. The tax regime in the US will be precisely targeted to hit uneducated people with above average incomes: those were the core Trump voters. Meanwhile, politics will ostensibly be about racial justice as the MSM scream that white men are evil, which conditioning has already been proven to dissuade white men from voting in accordance with their interests, they are the only group Trump lost votes among.
The answer is No Limit. Dems have cash pouring out of their ears.
Who is to say once Trump is gone that the situation won’t go back to status quo of business, banking and globalists finding a more comfortable home with the GOP? A lot of what we’ve been seeing is Trump causing the neocons and neolibs to congregate with the Dems more intensely in an attempt to kill him and any economic populist movement dead. If and when that happens, they’ll go back to being disproportionately GOP again.
Though this may not be the case with the neocons as the Dems may become the party of power with respect to the presidency with the Mitt Romney’s of the world having insufficient appeal and the media just not going there with regards to neocon policy not fitting with the Dem voters.
I am kind of surprised Grindr Graham won. Even by DC standards, he’s slimy. He was famously BFFs with McCain, whose enmity with Trump is hard to overstate. The line about “I like people who weren’t captured” should have kept any halfway-decent person from even thinking about voting for Trump. And I’m saying that as someone who detested McCain. But Trump’s comment insulted every POW in history.
And I specifically recall Graham telling Trump to “go to hell” in a debate, which I found pretty shocking. That’s pretty much the worst thing you can say to someone from a Christian perspective, and most South Carolinians at least pretend to be Christian. But once the GOP became the Trump party, Graham was more than eager to tell everyone how much he loved Trump.
Between “bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran” McCain, “I like people who weren’t captured” Trump and “go to hell” Graham, I hope the three of them end up together in a warm place
The amount of money spent on election campaigns is just one factor, and the money can be spent in so many different ways some of which may not produce any extra votes at all.
Obviously the Georgia Senate runoff votes will be important to both parties, and I have no doubt that both will be doing everything that they can to convince voters to vote Democratic or Republican.
Even more important is an exchange of ideas between candidates.
The first thing they need to do is to find out what are the most important issues for voters in Georgia, and then to align policies in a package that is likely to attract votes.
If the Republicans aren’t going to go Full Pinochet, they at least need to go Full William Howard Taft. Bust the trusts, and make the rich Democrats pay ALL those taxes they say America needs.
No but there are four or five other RINOs who’d love to be famous and invited to all the right parties.
Vermont has a Republican Governor and two Democratic senators. The Republican was just re-elected, and the Senators are both older than the life expectancy for white men at 79 and 80 years of age. One recently had a heart attack.
New Hampshire, which elected a Republican Governor, has a Democratic Senator who as a woman of 73 was just elected to a six year term.
Strange things can happen. If some gun nut inVermont thinks that D control will take away his “assault rifle,” problems.
I was looking forward to divided government. I hope I get it.
On the other hand, to quote Hillary, what difference does it make at this point?
And if they don't get away with it, it's hard to see them winning any elections for a long time afterward, so why bother spending?Replies: @Hangnail Hans
What on earth will keep them from winning more elections in the future? They’ve imported tens of millions of new voters, legalized millions more (felons) and they’re about to revise the laws still further. Wind’s blowing their way, and has been for quite some time.
Will they have to spend the money? The Trump base is pretty demoralized, and laying some blame at the feet of the GOP establishment. Kinda explains why Loeffler has just wrote a check to Trumps election fraud legal fund. “Please vote for me…I still need insider information for my personal stock trading.”
Recall how the special election for one Georgia Congressional seat became a nationwide Democrat cause celebre a couple of summers ago — and they almost won it even with a squishy young guy who was being supported by his wife and didn’t even live in the district. Now multiply that a gazillion times — the fundraising and the cheating — with US Senate control on the line. In a state that somehow just went for Biden.
They’ll do the same thing to Purdue and Loeffler in GA.
In The NY Times comments, they’re saying this is what happens when you don’t have voter suppression.
In no small part thanks to a tax code and recent tax cuts engineered by the likes of GWB, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Jared Kushner, et al.
Remarkable that Republicans get the first billionaire President and then completely lose their historic fundraising advantage. I mentioned that money was a problem the Trump campaign had. He couldn’t be bothered to raise it, and Parscale was dumping it in a fire.
Remarkable that Republicans get the first billionaire President and then completely lose their historic fundraising advantage.
Then you are remarkably uninformed. The Chamber of Commerce guys are all about open borders and globalhomo because that gets them 0.1% more return on their stock portfolio, just for a start.
There are also emotional reasons. The billionaires do not like ordinary, deplorable, Americans and want them replaced with other people(s) who are easier to keep in line. Trump was elected in part by ordinary, deplorable Americans and has been more of a champion for such deplorably ordinary people than any other President since the 1920’s.
Therefore the billionaires such as the Koch brothers were not interested in being donors to Trump’s campaign. Because “Deplorables”. Not remarkable at all. Machiavelli would get it in seconds. So easy even a dead guy can see it.
QED.
Remarkable that Republicans get the first billionaire President and then completely lose their historic fundraising advantage.
They had lost it by 2012, if not sooner. When was the last time the richest man in America was a Republican?
Let’s hope for gridlock. Not having gridlock gets you catastrophes such as the vote to use force against Iraq and Obamacare.
Nearly everyone in this forum predicted that the Democrats would use Tuesday to figure out how many votes they'd need, and then magically produce them over the next few days. Lo and behold...Replies: @Aardvark, @Alexander Turok
Thursday evening the restaurant I was in had some blow hard channel on with Chris Christie proclaiming that Trump had zero evidence of vote fraud and that he and other Democrats would be the first to want to root out vote fraud if it had occurred. These guys so smoothly tell bald faced lies; Democrats have always opposed any possible measure for vote integrity because they know they cannot win elections without enough cheating.
One of the Georgia elections is a runoff because there were more than one Republican candidates. The Republican candidates combined polled comfortably ahead of the Democrats. Perdue will either get a majority, so no run-off, or narrowly miss getting a majority, in which case he is in good shape.
The GOP doesn’t lose these races unless they want to lose them.
With Trump gone, the GOP and the Democrats will have the same open borders, outsourcing, foreign wars agenda, so I don’t see whether one candidate from one party’s establishment or another wins a particular Senate election is important to anyone other then the candidates’ employees and relatives.
That’s due to the fact that dumb prole president encouraged people to vote in person. The result, naturally, is that a lot of people planned to vote in person but then saw the lines and said eh, I’ve got better things to do. This didn’t percolate down to the dumb prole president’s campaign, which created ads encouraging me to vote by mail. But nobody was willing to speak out against dumb prole president directly, so we’re gonna get four years of negative selection Joe.
They could probably persuade some fake Republican senators like Romney and the women.
Nearly everyone in this forum predicted that the Democrats would use Tuesday to figure out how many votes they'd need, and then magically produce them over the next few days. Lo and behold...Replies: @Aardvark, @Alexander Turok
Everyone knew that the mail-in ballots would favor the Democrats because Dumb Prole President encouraged people to vote in person.
Runoffs are a feature of banana republics like France. Why do they exist at all here?
They’d be a constant feature of “national popular votes”, as they are in the Fifth Republic. (Is it still the Fifth?) Every election since it was instituted in 1965 has ended in a runoff. One year in which voters wore clothespins to the polls.
For how long? Six months? Who will succeed her?
Here is Loeffler’s campaign website, in case you want to donate (and you should). The “Donate” button is at the top right all in green. If you donate less than $200 your donation doesn’t end up becoming a public record, if that matters to you.
If you add up the totals for all the Republicans in the Loeffler race, the total comes to just a nudge over 50%. So she does have an extremely slight advantage going into it.
Here is David Perdue’s website, which also looks like it may be heading to a runoff.
Oh, and here is Steve’s donation info, too.
Donations inbound for all three. Thanks for all you do.
The ruling elite certainly prefer a post-Trump GOP majority in the Senate so I doubt that a whole lot of elite money is going to be spent in Georgia. Plenty of clueless progressives may be grifted into supporting the Dems though. Little do they realize that the order of the day is “hippy punching”. Antifa and Bernie Bros are about to find out who is running the show. And a GOP-controlled Senate is a vital precondition to putting the progs in their place. Do progs really believe the (((rich))) want to share their vast wealth with them through socialism?
The entire Summer of Floyd and the BLM/Antifa riots can be seen as an oligarchic move to deny Biden a huge landslide. It worked a just little better than anticipated and so some last minute, desperate vote harvesting was required in a few black cities to avoid a second Trump term.
Trump’s actions as President were faithful to ruling class interests but his ideas and words were heretical and so he needed to be neutralized. But his ruling class friendly actions lost him enough white working class votes for him to be within the cheating range in this election. But now, for the time being, post-Trump, we are back to two political parties explicitly serving the ruling class, and so politics gets a bit calmer. Ruling class party vs, ruling class party elections are nothing more than boring intrasquad scrimmages. .
Repubes are living like it is still 1969, in a relatively high-trust society with some remaining fiscal discipline.
The Demonrats will spend as much money as they plan to eventually loot from the Treasury and the Fed, i.e. as much as it takes.
You seem to overlook the possibility that votes might be manufactured after the fact. Requiring in-person voting for most would have prevented most of the fraud. Even Stalin knew better than to claim 100% of the vote his precincts.
In The NY Times comments, they’re saying this is what happens when you don’t have voter suppression.Replies: @S. Anonyia
I think that’s the whole point of the fraud currently occurring in Georgia. Because honestly Biden likely wins even without Georgia. Democrats are laying the groundwork for taking the Senate elections and then saying “see, look this is what happens now that our Brave Queen Stacy Abrams has ensured everyone is registered to vote!”
Here’s hoping a few normies are beginning to understand this.
There is nothing more important than getting people to realize that we are no longer living in a “democracy” – [let alone a republic!] We are living in an utterly corrupt empire ruled by wealthy oligarchs who despise us, who can’t wait until we’re all dead, and who are perfectly ready & willing to hasten that goal – by any means necessary.
Will the open & apparent fraud of this election have opened any eyes?
I hope so – but I hope without much confidence.
If we don’t have mail-in ballots for the runoff, things could be less fraudulent. But I fully expect another deluge of applications for mail-in ballots to begin next week, and we have a pansy-ass Republican SOS who might as well be Soros-bought, so I guess I will have to get used to hearing “Senator Ossoff”.
That’s Ossoff who’s running against Perdue in one of the two runoffs.
My guess is that both Repubs will win in Georgia, regardless of money. GOP voters are so p.o.ed over the presidential race that they will turn out in droves. Even a few honest Dems may vote for the GOP candidates out of embarrassment over the way that Senile Joe “won” the presidency. And money IS overrated in politics. Ask Mikey Bloomberg. He spent gazillions to win…American Samoa.
Perdue is an incumbent also, and the fact that Ossoff is a pencil-necked Paideia School pansy pajama boy who is less masculine than Beto can only help Perdue kick sand in his face. The big push against Perdue failed on 11/3, and Dems always fade in the runoffs. So cross your fingers and vote hard.Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
I hope so. Now that Loeffler emerged on top in the Jungle Election, supporters of Doug Collins should back Loeffler, especially after this fraudulent mess of an election. Loeffler is the incumbent, even if only by appointment, so that should be an advantage.
Perdue is an incumbent also, and the fact that Ossoff is a pencil-necked Paideia School pansy pajama boy who is less masculine than Beto can only help Perdue kick sand in his face. The big push against Perdue failed on 11/3, and Dems always fade in the runoffs. So cross your fingers and vote hard.
And to think that they used to call themselves “The Party of The People!”
They will spend a massive amount, and they will win both elections.
The GOP is demoralized, not enlivened. The supine response of the Georgia GOP will continue as the Democrats count their way to Senate control into March.
why would they have to spend a lot of money when they can just make sure they have enough votes?
both Georgia senate seats are within the reach of Democrat’s foolproof vote rigging margin. they can make up 10 percent of any vote, any where, any time. no, Republicans won’t stop them.
It will suddenly be rumored in all the national media outlets that Senator Perdue is suffering from Alzheimers and that one of his sons is meth addict and took money from Ukrainians and the Chinese, and that Loeffler is an airhead with without enough experience in federal office, and that she was once a guy named Jose.
And if they keep counting this election, Osshoff might actually take the lead and get over 50%. They only have to find another 250,000 votes in Atlanta- that is surely doable.
are people forgetting how the 2018 elections went? and how EVERY close election went to the democrats? and how even the GOPe, non-Trump Republicans did nothing about their own GOPe, non-Trump guys getting voter frauded out of their elections?
They'd be a constant feature of "national popular votes", as they are in the Fifth Republic. (Is it still the Fifth?) Every election since it was instituted in 1965 has ended in a runoff. One year in which voters wore clothespins to the polls.For how long? Six months? Who will succeed her?Replies: @ScarletNumber
Yes, the French are in their Fifth Republic, and have had eight Presidents in that time. Looking over the list, I didn’t realize Jacque Chirac had died last September.
I will donate to Loeffler twice as much as I donate to Steve.
*In fairness, minus massive fraud (which I suspect they will be hesitant to employ again before the Inauguration), we could well win both seats.Replies: @ScarletNumber, @EdwardM
Seeing as how if Senator Perdue loses his run-off, the Democrats will have a free hand to abolish the filibuster, pack the SCOTUS, and institute Bolshevism throughout our society, I intend to make a donation to his campaign.
That one Senate race is now arguably more important than the Presidential contest.
Loeffler’s probably gonna lose.* Perdue is favored to win. We only need one of those two seats to deny the Democrats a majority. I’d suggest donating to Perdue.
*In fairness, minus massive fraud (which I suspect they will be hesitant to employ again before the Inauguration), we could well win both seats.
Plus Loeffler is a weak candidate. Perdue -- thanks in part to the utter unattractiveness of Ossoff -- is our only slight hope.
Perdue is an incumbent also, and the fact that Ossoff is a pencil-necked Paideia School pansy pajama boy who is less masculine than Beto can only help Perdue kick sand in his face. The big push against Perdue failed on 11/3, and Dems always fade in the runoffs. So cross your fingers and vote hard.Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
Sadly, no. Appointed Senatorial incumbents lose about 70 percent of the races in which they run. Loeffler would ordinarily be toast here, but hopefully Perdue’s voters will be able to bring her over the hump as well.
Does McConnell have one last play before the Georgia runoffs to secure the Senate majority?
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/11/06/mcconnell-one-last-play-georgia-runoffs-secure-senate-majority/
*In fairness, minus massive fraud (which I suspect they will be hesitant to employ again before the Inauguration), we could well win both seats.Replies: @ScarletNumber, @EdwardM
You convinced me. I will donate twice as much to Perdue than I will to Loeffler.
New Hampshire, which elected a Republican Governor, has a Democratic Senator who as a woman of 73 was just elected to a six year term.
Strange things can happen. If some gun nut inVermont thinks that D control will take away his "assault rifle," problems.
I was looking forward to divided government. I hope I get it.Replies: @EdwardM
Yeah, and I guess one tiny consolation is that Biden can’t appoint Warren or Sanders to the cabinet, because their replacements would be appointed by Republican governors. Then again, if the Republicans miraculously win one of the GA seats, then they will be in the majority so losing a D or two won’t matter as much. Though it would matter in 2022, in which Republicans may be in a position to take back both houses so the Ds won’t want to sacrifice any seats.
On the other hand, to quote Hillary, what difference does it make at this point?
*In fairness, minus massive fraud (which I suspect they will be hesitant to employ again before the Inauguration), we could well win both seats.Replies: @ScarletNumber, @EdwardM
Couldn’t disagree more. They have the formula, they have the tools (mail-in ballots due to the COVID scam), they are emboldened, and they have the media at their backs. As horrific as the fraud in MI, WI, GA, and PA was, I fear that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
Plus Loeffler is a weak candidate. Perdue — thanks in part to the utter unattractiveness of Ossoff — is our only slight hope.
The Lincoln Project wants the Democrats to win in Georgia:
https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1325514625333518348Replies: @MEH 0910