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The statistical fact that African-Americans commit murder at a vastly higher per capita rate than do white Americans is not something you are supposed to mention in the press, but at least dissidents in the comments can cite a PDF issued by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics back in 2011 that found that blacks were, per capita, 7.4 times as likely to be murder offenders as whites, with whites, curiously, being defined to include almost all Hispanics.

The Bush Administration posted homicide by race trend graphs in easy to use HTML format. The Obama Administration memoryholed the more user-friendly version of the report, but at least issued an update in 2011, even if it is in hard to use PDF format. The Trump Administration hasn’t done anything.

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But the black-white gap in murder offending might be worse than the Obama Administration’s 2011 report suggests. One obvious problem with the Bureau of Justice Statistics “Homicide” report is that it doesn’t break out Hispanics from whites, unlike almost all other government reports since c. 1970.

Back in 1945-1965, Latin American pressure groups such as LULAC asked government agencies to lump Latin Americans in as white/Caucasian, which is how they were treated on the 1950 and 1960 Censuses. Police forces like the LAPD went along with it, in part because having a huge Caucasian category in which to lump Europeans, Latin Americans, Arabs, and Asian Indians reduced the amount of outright error in suspect descriptions.

Crime statistics, unlike other government statistics, tended to have three racial categories: Other (East Asians, American Indians, and maybe Polynesians), Black, and White (everybody leftover with some claim to be at least kind of Caucasian).

But after the introduction of affirmative action in 1969, pressure groups reversed course and demanded to shed their new Caucasian Disprivilege in favor of some that sweet, sweet Nonwhite Privilege.

Except in crime statistics …

From Criminology, a 2011 study that tries to figure out what % of “white” murder offenders are actually Hispanic:

REASSESSING TRENDS IN BLACK VIOLENT CRIME, 1980–2008: SORTING OUT THE “HISPANIC EFFECT” IN UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS ARRESTS, NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMIZATION SURVEY OFFENDER ESTIMATES, AND U.S. PRISONER COUNTS

DARRELL STEFFENSMEIER, BEN FELDMEYER, CASEY T. HARRIS, JEFFERY T. ULMER
First published: 24 February 2011 https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2010.00222.x Citations: 52

Abstract
Recent studies suggest a decline in the relative Black effect on violent crime in recent decades and interpret this decline as resulting from greater upward mobility among African Americans during the past several decades. However, other assessments of racial stratification in American society suggest at least as much durability as change in Black social mobility since the 1980s. Our goal is to assess how patterns of racial disparity in violent crime and incarceration have changed from 1980 to 2008. We argue that prior studies showing a shrinking Black share of violent crime might be in error because of reliance on White and Black national crime statistics that are confounded with Hispanic offenders, whose numbers have been increasing rapidly and whose violence rates are higher than that of Whites but lower than that of Blacks. Using 1980–2008 California and New York arrest data to adjust for this “Hispanic effect” in national Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) and National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data, we assess whether the observed national decline in racial disparities in violent crime is an artifact of the growth in Hispanic populations and offenders. Results suggest that little overall change has occurred in the Black share of violent offending in both UCR and NCVS estimates during the last 30 years. In addition, racial imbalances in arrest versus incarceration levels across the index violent crimes are both small and comparably sized across the study period. We conclude by discussing the consistency of these findings with trends in economic and social integration of Blacks in American society during the past 50 years.

The researchers come up with a finding that adjusting out Hispanic murderers from whites raises the black/white murder offender ratio from 7.4 X to 11.7 X.

From a press release from Penn State writing up this study:

… The rise in the U.S. Hispanic population and the sharp jump in black violent crime during the late 1980s and early 1990s may skew statistics from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports and the National Crime Victimization Survey that appear to show a recent drop in black violence, said Darrell Steffensmeier, professor, sociology, and crime, law and justice, Penn State.

The researchers, who released their findings in the current issue of Criminology, indicated that studies on black violent crime — a crime that involves force or the threat of force — often fail to account for the rise in the number of Hispanics in the U.S. Since there is no Hispanic category in the UCR and approximately 93 percent of Hispanics identify themselves, or are identified by law enforcement officers, as white, most arrests of Hispanics are added to white violent crime rates.

“The result is that the violent crime rates for whites are inflated and the black rates are deflated in these studies,” said Steffensmeier, who worked with Jeffrey T. Ulmer, associate professor, and Casey T. Harris, graduate student, both in sociology and crime, law and justice, Penn State and Ben Feldmeyer, assistant professor, University of Tennessee-Knoxville.

When the researchers adjusted for the Hispanic effect, there was little overall change in the black percentage of violent crime, said Steffensmeier.

Using arrest statistics from 1980 to 2008 in California and New York, two states that include a Hispanic category, the recalculated national figures indicated that the black percentage of assault increased slightly from 42 percent to 44 percent and homicide increased from 57 percent to 65 percent. There was a small decline in robbery, from 57 percent to 54 percent.

“It is the case that violent crime rates are lower today for blacks, as they also are for other race groupings, but the black percentage of violent crime is about the same today as in 1980,” Steffensmeier said.

According to Steffensmeier, studies that purport to show declines in black violent crimes may also rely on timelines that are too short to be effective. For instance, studies that start in the late 1980s and 1990s cover a period of rapid increase in black violent crime fueled by crack cocaine use in the inner cities. According to Steffensmeier, the recent decrease is more likely a return to average crime rates.

“A study that uses statistics from a short time period can lead to a regression to the mean effect,” said Steffensmeier. “Which basically means, when a trend rises quickly, it can fall just as quickly.”

On the other hand, the researcher’s choice of adjusting the national statistics based on arrest statistics in New York and California might exaggerate the amount of Hispanic crime.

Most of New York’s Hispanic murderers tend to be mulatto Puerto Ricans or Dominicans, ethnic groups who tend to have higher homicide rates than the more common mestizos from Mexico.

And my vague intuition is that California developed a pretty homicidal Chicano mestizo class back in the 1970s when Mexican-Americans formed some pretty imposing gangs on the streets and in the prisons. I think Mexican-Americans in California were more crime prone than in Texas.

Since then, the newer Mexican immigrants tend to be smaller and more docile.

Of course, another issue are all the murders that are never closed. The closure rates tend to be lowest in black neighborhoods, especially in black-run cities. So, the number of black murder offenders might be understated due to fears of witness-murdering by black gangs and other problems.

Snitches get stitches.

Finally, counting “murder offenders” rather than their victims might drive up the black percentage because, if my suspicion is correct, on average murders committed by blacks tend to have slightly more murder offenders involved than murders committed by whites. Generally, white murderers tend to act alone. They generally don’t have some friends who might think that helping them commit murder is a good idea.

For example, white mass shooters are almost always lone gunmen (Columbine being a famous exception). Black mass shooters, in contrast, are often two guys.

Similarly, as we are seeing in countless videos over the last week, unarmed blacks criminals tend to swarm their victims when they beat them to death.

So, this might tend to exaggerate the percentage of murder victims murdered by blacks.

All in all, I’d probably guess somewhere around 10X as the most accurate black / white murder ratio.

So, saying that blacks are an order of magnitude more murderous than whites in the U.S. sounds like the most reasonable and safest guesstimate.

 
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  1. Thomas Jefferson was right. The negro and white man can’t live under the same government.

  2. Not entirely OT:

    I recently saw a table of the number of times police have been shot at (by race of offender) and the number of times police shoot at offenders (by race of offender)— I’m pretty sure it was a compilation of data by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. But I’m having a hard time finding it again.

  3. In Atlanta circa 1970, Police Chief John Inman, who was later fired in favor of Reginald Eaves shortly before the murder rate in that city spiked, said that the way to reduce the murder rate was to aggressively prosecute aggravated assault. He said that many murders were cases of aggravated assault that got out of hand. So I guess the reason why he was fired was that too many of the aggravate assault perps were POC.

    It would be interesting to see the arrest rates for whites versus blacks on the charge of aggravated assault.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Johnson
  4. Charon says:

    The Trump Administration hasn’t done anything.

    Not much point in their bothering. Since they are Officially Racist, any study they undertake and release will be Terminally Tainted. In fact, it could be the soundest science in history and it wouldn’t matter.

    Come to think of it, sound science would probably make it worse. The Wokistocracy are enraged by things like that.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  5. Charon says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Jared’s got a pretty good piece out, though it’s unlikely that you’ve missed it since Ron put it front and center yesterday. Not sure if it includes what you’re looking for but it is pretty good.

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-manufactured-crisis-of-police-racism/

    The man needs a proofreader though. Several missing words and such.

    • Replies: @SFG
  6. danand says:

    Whichever’s correct, 7.4 or 11.7, if African’t American’ts are given enough “opportunity” (the elimination of police officers), I have no doubt they can double, or given enough freedom, perhaps triple, that ratio.

  7. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    A major problem for people like Ron Unz who theorize that Hispanics are not much more criminal than whites is the actual reality of California prisons.

    YouTuber Wes Watson, a white violent criminal, broke down California prison “politics” this way. “Politics” in prison slang just means ethnic conflict.

    In violent offender prison blocks in California there are two sides of the room. One side is norcal mexicans and their black allies and the other side is socal mexicans and whites.

    So the population is something like this in order of size:

    1. Socal hispanics.

    2/3. Norcal hispanics and blacks

    4. Whites

    5. Other, like asians and native americans who have to align with the blacks and norcal mexicans.

    So the question is, where is Ron Unz’s theory if BOTH sides of the day room in Calitornia prisons are run by Mexicans?

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @stillCARealist
    , @Era
  8. Charon says:

    My spell check and autocorrect already do these things. As well as refusing to capitalize the name of this country’s president.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  9. (OT: Effortpost ahead. Steve, go ahead and excerpt/expound on if of interest.)

    Interesting… for the first time I’ve noticed that the Boston Globe is using the black supremacist capital “B” Black to describe black people, while keeping “white” lowercase:

    [MORE]

    Tim Duncan was walking to Whole Foods. Then the police officers surrounded him. One drew his gun

    Here’s the Seattle Times’s recent tortured explanation of why they switched to capital B, and why “white” will remain lowercase (emphasis added below):

    Capital-B ‘Black’ becomes standard usage at The Seattle Times

    Here’s the updated passage in the style guide, crafted by members of the Times’ Diversity & Inclusion task force in partnership with the news copy desk:

    Black (adj.): Belonging to people who are part of the African diaspora. Capitalize Black because it is a reflection of shared cultures and experiences (foods, languages, music, religious traditions, etc.).

    Whites don’t have those?

    Do not use as a singular or plural noun. When ethnicity is relevant to the story, ask the source which ethnic identifier they use. Black is not necessarily synonymous with African American; some argue the term Black is more inclusive of the collective experiences of the U.S. population, which encompasses recent immigrants.

    Who of course warrant “Black” because they automatically share the same “foods, languages, music, religious traditions, etc.” of blacks already here.

    white (adj.): Belonging to people with light-colored skin, especially those of European descent. Unlike Black, it is lowercase, as its use is a physical description of people whose backgrounds may spring from many different cultures. Capitalized white is often used by the white nationalist/white supremacist movement.

    As opposed to the newly crafted “Black” which is in no way black supremacist.

    Do not use as a singular or plural noun. When ethnicity is relevant to the story, ask the source which personal ethnic identifier they use.

    From a Medium post in February:

    I’m not a lowercase, and that will never be the case

    Slowly, we are starting to see more news organizations incorporate the capitalization of the “B” in Black when referring to race. Opting out of AP style’s recommendation to keep it lowercase.

    One of my professors recently shared with my opinion writing class that Boston Globe editor Brian McGrory recently sent out a memo to staff members about the decision to update the Globe’s stylebook. This update reflects the capitalization of the “B” in Black, when referring to race:

    Effective immediately, we’re updating the Globe stylebook to put the word Black in uppercase when it is used to describe a person’s race. After consulting with leaders in the Black community, we’re making this change to recognize that the word has evolved from a description of a person’s skin color to signify a race and culture, and as such, deserves uppercase treatment in the same way that other races — Latino being one example — are capitalized. Unless otherwise requested by a person we’re writing about, we’ll use Black, which is considered to be more inclusive, rather than African-American.

    This is impressive, given Boston’s reputation as a racist major city; and if the city’s leading newspaper can make this change, I don’t see why more can’t follow suit. Especially the Associated Press.

    I’m Black with a capital “B.” My capitalization can be seen as a rebellion, but to me, this is my standard and should be the standard for everyone else. AP style puts a cap on my Blackness, and I am 100% not here for it.

    Okay, then. I used to write “white” lowercase, because precedent and non-dramatic matter-of-factness made it appropriate. But from now on it’s White. All Whites and those who appreciate Whites should write said racial descriptor with a capital W.

  10. How Much More Homicidal Are Blacks Than Whites? 7.4x More Like the Obama Administration Said, or 11.7x More?

    That’s a good analysis, but until that gets down to under 1.5, I’m still gonna’ stay away from black neighborhoods and groups of unknown black guys. Maybe the government can mess with the numbers somehow, like with inflation… racial hedonics or something… there’d have to be some really colorful pie charts to overcome the data I get from my own lyin’ eyes.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Lugash
  11. Kornboy says:

    If these stats are true how come everybody rejects them?

    No one cares.

    Black People have been mistreated and the country is sick of it

    The democrats are going to clean up in the next elections

    All the looting was done by right wingers

    The protests have been peaceful

    Drew Brees apologized

    • Troll: Lurker
    • Replies: @TWS
    , @Moses
    , @Forbes
    , @Mr. Anon
  12. Bucky says:

    Reflecting on my interactions with blacks as well as observations, it has come up that blacks constantly micro-aggress each other. I don’t know if they’re aware that they’re doing this, though it may explain why they always say explicitly “respect” like a reminder to themselves of what they’re supposed to do.

    As Tucker says, they accuse you of what they are doing.

    This may also explain why the conversation are BLM is so annoyingly oversimplified. This is whites, and some Asians, being good allies, by copying the arguments made by blacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  13. Bucky says:
    @PiltdownMan

    We know what is going to be defunded next on the activist list.

  14. unit472 says:

    It is difficult to sort out murder rates because the data is’contaminated’ by prosecutors and state laws. Three guys rob a bank and the security guard is killed. In some cases ( and states) all three bank robbers get charged with first degree murder even though only one actually shot the security guard. Then there is the “Mafia effect’, lots of killings going on but not too many prosecutions and even when prosecutors KNOW who the killer is they might ‘cut a deal’ with the killer to get the mob boss.

    In general though, our lying eyes do not deceive us. The level of violence in black communities is staggering and perhaps we should measure not the actual body count but the number of shootings. Having a victim survive being shot is his good fortune not the result of the shooters benevolence.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. bomag says:
    @Ad70titusrevenge

    That was the consensus of most back in the day. One motivation for Dred Scott was that Blacks and Whites can never coexist, so we might as well have slavery as the intermediary institution.

  16. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Accelerationism.mp4

    Now that the protests are dying down will the backlash come expressed more openly or through the ballot box? A crazy precedent has been set vis-a-vis the vacuousness of the upper middle classes and has led to some insane scenes across the Western world. (I’m not talking about the rioting)

    I think it’s interesting that public policy on the riots is similar to the ‘burn through’ policy of Sweden and early on in the UK on the coronavirus. Eventually all the most violent guys will have gotten their fill and the whole thing will be memory-holed by the election. Except for places that were hit really hard like Minneapolis and Minnesota more generally. This is doubly crazy because those states are the ones Trump managed to flip in a nascent political realignment whose electoral college votes delivered him the victory and which the Democrats have the best chance of flipping back. But maybe they think increased black turnout will override that?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Harry Baldwin
  17. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Interesting debate. Over 70s backetball coaches should or shouldn’t attend games when play resumes.

    Maybe they could have their orders performed by a surrogate.

    Be a good job opportunity for a young black woman.

  18. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    White men die in police custody all the time in the UK, I assume it’s the same in the US. Most people don’t care other than their own families because they’re just seen as degenerate criminals who ultimately got what they deserved, when a white criminal dies in custody most people side with the police.

    The difference is white people don’t care when white criminals get brutalised and killed, even if by other races.

  19. HenryA says:

    Perhaps the New York Times can start the 13/50 project.

    • LOL: Dtbb
  20. B36 says:

    “I think Mexican-Americans in California were more crime prone than in Texas.”

    Coming from Texas I think you are right. But this makes me wonder something else: how do homicide offender rates vary among American whites of different states or ethnicities? I’m guessing Southern whites are more homicidal than Northerners. Is there a Canadian border effect? How does the black rate compare to, say, the Minnesota Nice white rate?

  21. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    We’re getting to levels of Sailer-bait that shouldn’t be possible.

  22. Alden says:

    Here’s a thought. Massive protests are planned in Washington this weekend. The mayor of Washington kicker the national guard out. The generals the mayor FBI and the entire federal service are blacks democrats and anti Trump liberals. About 30 percent of army enlisted men are black.

    The secret service is supposed to physically protect the president and VP. What if the secret service is also anti Trump? A requirement for White government applicants is membership in some radical campus group and a diversity manifesto during the interview.

    The mayor of DC ordered the barricades around the White House removed. Don’t know if that’s happened

    If trump and Pence are Killed speaker of the house billionaire radical, exploiter of illegal alien farm workers Pelosi becomes president.

    Therefore, the demos planned in DC this weekend are for the purpose of storming the White House killing Trump and Pence and installing Pelosi as president.

    It’s happened many times in many countries. If the secret service is as anti Trump as the FBI and the rest of the federal employees it will happen.

    We’re i in charge of the secret service I’d helicopter Trump to the nuclear attack fortress Mount Thunder and Pence to Camp David. Or put them on Air Force one and keep flying around till DC burns to the ground

    But is the air force, secret service and the personnel who guard camp David and Mount thunder trump haters

    I really would not be surprised if that’s what’s planned.,

  23. And yet these crime stats, which have been known for decades, don’t change anything.

    I think Tucker Carlson is right, this is a cult mentality. We need to think about the techniques used to break cult members out of their trance. I suspect it’s going to be relatively simple but powerful memes that disrupt their inner narrative.

  24. Dominican republic has a murder rate six times higher than the United States. However if you talk to Dominicans they will often put the blame on Haitians.

  25. So Hispanics are a seperate classification for affirmative action and other govt largess, but lumped with whites for crime… Surprise! The game is rigged! It’s been a long time since I read Ron Unz’s 10,000 word tour de force rationalizing why flooding the U.S. with browns from South of the border is a net positive for the country. Did he gloss over this PDF in his research? Or explain it away as only Mr Unz can.

  26. SFG says:
    @Charon

    Time and chance happeneth to us all.

  27. My bank — one of the richest entities on the planet — warns me this morning that we have a “collective responsibility” to fight centuries of structural racism. Perhaps a new credit card that directs 1 percent of all my brick and accelerant purchases to BLM? I await further instructions …

  28. @black sea

    Thanks! I’m pretty sure the data I saw was in tabular form, with the number of incidents nationwide. Mr. Sailer doesn’t provide a source or a link for those charts, but that’s exactly the type of data I’m trying to find again.

    • Replies: @res
  29. anon[462] • Disclaimer says:

    Stackexchange is a high IQ website where people can ask questions, and really smart people answer the questions. There have been a lot of questions lately from skeptical liberals about various statistical claims being made by ‘white supremacists’:

    Here is one guy dumbfounded by the claim that blacks commit 50% of murders.
    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/32694/are-black-americans-responsible-for-more-than-50-of-homicides?rq=1

    “Is a police officer 18x more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be by a police officer?

    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/39880/is-a-police-officer-18x-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-black-male-than-an-unarmed

    Both questions were, begrudgingly, answered in the affirmative.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  30. Art Deco says:
    @Ad70titusrevenge

    They’ve been living under the same government for about 400 years now.

    Note, the people who make the decisions in this country ignore large constituencies when they care to do so (evangelicals, for example). They could quite readily tell the homosexual agitators to get stuffed; instead, everyone else’s life is distorted and disfigured to please them. The lumpen element in the black population might number about 6 million, supplemented with people from various other strata who run interference for them. They could be readily ignored and public policy proceed along lines which treats their grievances as static. Our ultimate problem has to do with status competition among professional-managerial people. We could deal with the problems posed by lumpenproletarians. Gentry liberals Just.Do.Not.Feel.Like.It.

    • Agree: Cato
    • Replies: @Ed
    , @AnotherDad
  31. Goatweed says:

    The number I care about is the blacks killing whites rate.

    The next rate I want to know is how many times greater the blacks killing White rate is to the whites killing blacks rate. This rate is probably more important rhetorically.

    All black on White crime should be treated as a hate crime.

    • Agree: West Reanimator, donut
    • Replies: @Forbes
    , @Hypnotoad666
  32. bomag says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    …there’d have to be some really colorful pie charts to overcome the data I get from my own lyin’ eyes

    LOL

    Forthcoming, I’m sure. Rather remarkable how much energy is spent massaging this data.

  33. Alden says:
    @Ad70titusrevenge

    If there were not one negro in the country, the liberals would just find or create another grievance group as front for their destruction.

    Consider the way transgenders went from low key private decisions medical treatment and a way of life of a few thousand people to a full blown attack on normal people via multi sex bathrooms attacking people who didn’t use the new pronouns, saying gender assigned at birth instead of man or woman and the whole tranny fad which most of them probably didn’t want.

    There’s an HIV medical AD on TV. It’s a medicine only men can take. Does the AD say that? No the med is not for people assigned female at birth. 5 words instead of 1.

    A lot of official forms don’t say husband wife any more just partner. Some birth certificates just say parent instead of mother and father.

    The liberals can always find or as in tranny rights, just create a grievance group.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Dtbb
  34. Among televised looters, the black/white ratio is very high.

  35. Where’s Redlands, Steve? Apparently an Amazon warehouse is ablaze. Big if true.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @Jack D
  36. So, saying that blacks are an order of magnitude more murderous than whites in the U.S. sounds like the most reasonable and safest guesstimate.

    Wouldn’t an order of magnitude greater for 7.4x be 74x?

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  37. theMann says:

    The greater problem of coping with Blacks is not the violence of crime, however much it percolates in the background, but the relentless violence of language that invariably distinguishes the Black Person. It is not only belligerent and rude, and exhausting to deal with, but the relentless barrage of profanity exists such that actual meaning exists only as snippets of background conversation.

    A typical case: two Black high school students were in a hall outside my office. The gist of the conversation of the one to the other was:

    “That teacher failed me on that assignment!”
    “Unfair, man!”

    It took the two of them several minutes to communicate that much meaning between the mofo’s. That is indicative of seriously malformed minds, barely able to communicate BETWEEN FRIENDS due to the relentless mindless explosions of hostility. How exactly do you fix that to the point that those two, and millions of others, will ever be productive, or even minimally welcome, members of society?

  38. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Comparisons should be made between similar categories; males between the ages of 18 and, say, 35, of the different races should be compared. The Hispanic category is an artificial lumping together of disparate groups. Partly black, or even mostly black types like Dominicans get lumped in with Mexicans who themselves are somewhat varied. Black homicide rate of 10x that of whites sounds about right but when looking at black males within that age range one sees an entire range of anti-social behavior: criminal histories of theft, assault, homicide, rape, shiftlessness, drug dealing, welfare baby daddies, etc etc. With homicide there’s hard and fast numbers to hang one’s hat on unlike the other categories.

  39. TWS says:
    @Anonymous

    Unz models away his problem to prove they’re no more likely to commit crime.

    The problem is our lying eyes, experience, and common sense. You don’t break Hispanics out as victims then lump them as criminals. You don’t stack the deck unless you’re planning on cheating.

    • Agree: SINCERITY.net
    • Replies: @SINCERITY.net
  40. TWS says:
    @Kornboy

    Steve, is there a reason Unz let’s the duck make endless sock puppets? Is there a reason you approve his obviously sock puppet comments?

    • Replies: @West Reanimator
  41. jb says:

    The Bush Administration posted homicide by race trend graphs in easy to use HTML format. The Obama Administration memoryholed the more user-friendly version of the report, but at least issued an update in 2011, even if it is in hard to use PDF format. The Trump Administration hasn’t done anything.

    My understanding has been that the underlying homicide numbers still get published, so that with a little work one could could construct the current value for the black/white homicide ratio; it’s just that since 2011 the actual value of the ratio has not been published in a clear, understandable form suitable for beating liberals over the head with in the comments sections of newspapers.

    Am I right though? Are the underlying numbers still getting published? And is anybody respectably linkable (i.e., nobody on unz.com or involved in HBD, let alone sites like VDARE or Amren) calculating and publishing the updated ratio?

  42. Griffe du lion (who was a breath of fresh air at the time and likely deserves credit for neo reaction and altright development)
    worked on this Hispanic crime rats nest as well as the ashkenazi IQ
    (Both of which I found unsatisfactory as it doesn’t jibe with my lived experience. Ie Hispanics in my experience are not close to whites in crime not even violent crime nor are Jews really half the smart quotient of America or even of nyc where I grew up. )
    As I remembered this it dawned on me who griffe du lion is
    RON UNZ IS GRIFFE DU LION
    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  43. STEVE WTF, ARE YOU FUKIN KIDDN ME?

    “Finally, counting “murder offenders” rather than their victims might drive up the black percentage because, if my suspicion is correct, on average murders committed by blacks tend to have slightly more murder offenders involved than murders committed by whites. Generally, white murderers tend to act alone. They generally don’t have some friends who might think that helping them commit murder is a good idea.

    For example, white mass shooters are almost always lone gunmen (Columbine being a famous exception). Black mass shooters, in contrast, are often two guys.

    Similarly, as we are seeing in countless videos over the last week, unarmed blacks criminals tend to swarm their victims when they beat them to death.”

    So, this might tend to exaggerate the percentage of murder victims murdered by blacks.

    STEVE IF A GANG JOINTLY MURDERS SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT EACH ONLY ASSAULTERS THEY ARE ALL EQUALLY MURDERERS.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  44. Corvinus says:

    “Hopefully, George is looking down right now in saying this is a great thing happening for our country. A great day for him, a great day for everybody.”–Donald Trump

    So what does race baiter Tim Wise have to say?

    Another component to the myth of white genocide is the notion that there is an epidemic of black-on-white homicide in the United States. This is usually advanced by raw data comparisons on statistics from the U.S Department of Justice or the Federal Bureau of Investigation. However, a naive raw data comparison is a notorious example of statistical illiteracy. A simplified example may help to bring this point home: imagine that a raw data comparison between right-handed and left-handed people showed that there were more right-handed murderers than left-handed ones. What conclusions could you draw about the connection between being right-handed and being a murderer? Absolutely nothing, as you have to perform the correct data normalizations. In this case, you have to control for the size of the two groups of right-handed and left-handed people. Are there more murders by right-handed people because right-handed people are more prone to murders or because there are just so many more right-handed people than left-handed people? In other words, the correct comparisons are between frequencies, not absolute figures.

    The factors that white supremacists who use the “black-on-white homicide epidemic” trope fail to control for are:
    (1) differences in base rates: because of socio-economic factors** (such as crowded housing, poverty density, population density, income, levels of urbanization, unemployment rates, deprivations of community resources and family disruptions), African-Americans are overrepresented in crime statistics. When comparison black-on-white homicide and white-on-black homicide, base rates is a confounder (cf. handedness above).
    (2) differential encounter rates***. Whites are more likely to encounter other whites, whereas African-Americans are not more likely to encounter other African-Americans. Thus, the differential encounter rates also needs to be controlled for so that the comparison is between apples and apples.

    Once you control for these two factors, the black-on-white homicide rates are more or less what you would expect if there was no relationship between ethnicity and homicide. In other words, the second pillar of the white genocide myth collapses.

    **http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/nazis-cant-do-math-reflections-on-racism-crime-and-the-illiteracy-of-right-wing-statistical-analysis/

    ***http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race-crime-and-statistical-malpractice-how-the-right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/

    Let the fun begin!

  45. @Anonymous

    When I visit an inmate at a central CA prison all I see is white and Hispanic. Not a black man to be seen… the guards too. Everyone is really nice.

  46. Corvinus says:
    @Ad70titusrevenge

    “Thomas Jefferson was right. The negro and white man can’t live under the same government.”

    But southern “gentlemen” can have sex with black women and sire offspring.

  47. @Corvinus

    ‘But southern “gentlemen” can have sex with black women and sire offspring.’

    Unfortunately our DNA is compatible. So much ruin, both physical and cognitive, in black-White rutting.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Jack D
  48. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    So what does race baiter Tim Wise have to say?

    Quoting Tim Wise? Come on,admit it, you’re a parody account!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @BenKenobi
  49. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    Refute the argument made, rather than entirely discount the source. As an alleged professor who grades essays, you ought to know better.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Mr McKenna
  50. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Refute the argument made, rather than entirely discount the source. As an alleged professor, you ought to know better.

    You mean play along with the parody?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  51. Alfa158 says:
    @Corvinus

    Wise relies on the ignorance and innumeracy of his fans. This is a pretty typical example of his work, where he inserts falsehoods, logical fallacies and non sequiturs, confident that the goy are too stupid to pick them out and call him on it.
    It’s good to be the one holding the megaphone.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  52. Lugash says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Maybe the government can mess with the numbers somehow, like with inflation… racial hedonics or something…

    This is way off topic, but things are probably really interesting in the CPI department at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. My typical shopping basket looks a lot different than it did three months ago.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @JMcG
  53. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ad70titusrevenge

    Thomas Jefferson was right. The negro and white man can’t live under the same government.

    When did Thomas Jefferson ever say that? Do you have a cite?

  54. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bucky

    Reflecting on my interactions with blacks as well as observations, it has come up that blacks constantly micro-aggress each other.

    Like what? What’s an example of a black micro-aggression?

  55. Whiskey says: • Website

    Good news. The NFL is going all Woke, hate Whitey! So you can see angry Black men scream about how much they really, really hate White men! But hey, White women …

    Its all over, next stop re-education camps brought to you by Apple. Apple, the choice of looters and woke everywhere. Apple, where work camps make people free. Apple!

  56. Abraham Lincoln was right.

  57. res says:

    Of course, another issue are all the murders that are never closed. The closure rates tend to be lowest in black neighborhoods, especially in black-run cities. So, the number of black murder offenders might be understated due to fears of witness-murdering by black gangs and other problems.

    Has anyone ever done a detailed analysis of the statistics assuming unclosed murders have an offender racial mixture the same as the closed murders?

    What is ironic about this idea is that most of the discussion of racial disparity in clearance rates is whinging about racism. As here:
    https://www.sentencingproject.org/news/race-justice-news-homicide-clearance-disparities-contribute-capital-punishment-disparities/

    Fagan and Geller’s analysis concludes that compared to homicides involving white victims, those involving black victims are 23% less likely to be cleared and those involving other victims, mostly Latinos, are 17% less likely.

    Which means it is actually possible to get statistical data ; )
    So looking at the paper they reference, let’s try to do a back of the envelope estimate.
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3202470

    Focusing on 2010 (the most recent year in their data) and eyeballing from the graphs we see,
    Page 37/297 about the same number (~7,000) of homicides of both whites and blacks in 2010.
    But since they focus on “Capital-Eligible Homicides” I will do the same.
    Page 38/298 (these are interesting figures, e.g. the temporary increase in clearance rate peaking around 1992) shows for 2010 about 3800 white victims with a 40% clearance and about 3100 black victims with a 30% clearance rate.

    Now looking at 2013 FBI data:
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
    (note that table has Hispanic data, which I leave out of this analysis)
    We see that for white victims 83% of offenders are white and 14% of offenders are black.
    For black victims 8% of offenders are white and 90% of offenders are black.

    Now let’s use both of those sets of data to estimate the racial proportions of the offenders for the homicides which have not been cleared.

    First, looking at Capital-Eligible Homicides we see uncleared murders as follows.
    white victims: 3800 * 0.6 = 2280 implying 1892 white offenders and 319 black offenders
    black victims: 3100 * 0.7 = 2170 implying 174 white offenders and 1953 black offenders
    Giving a total of 2292 black offenders and 2066 white offenders estimated as missing from the statistics. So 53% of uncleared capital-eligible homicides estimated as being by blacks.

    That’s not so unbalanced (relative to the raw stats and also noting the Hispanic issue), but that may be because of the difference in relative number of victims by race (not sure why the full count is so different from capital eligible). So let’s look at the full homicide counts assuming the same clearance rates apply.
    white victims: 7000 * 0.6 = 4200 implying 3486 white offenders and 588 black offenders
    black victims: 7000 * 0.7 = 4900 implying 392 white offenders and 4410 black offenders
    Giving a total of 4998 black offenders and 3878 white offenders estimated as missing from the statistics. So 56% of uncleared homicides estimated as being by blacks.

    Clearly this analysis needs to be more rigorous, but it looks like adding uncleared homicides would actually reduce the black percentage of offenders slightly.

  58. Anonymous[793] • Disclaimer says:

    If you look at the murder rate by state, the lily white states tend to have much lower murder rates than the states with lots of Hispanics. And states with lots of blacks have the most murders of all.

    Of course even within those states a disproportionate % of the murders are committed by blacks and Hispanics.

    Putting Hispanic murders in a separate category would definitely lower the white murder rate, perhaps dramatically.

    Unraveling the numbers would be complicated, though. Many murders involve more than one perp, sometimes of different races. And many perps are looking more and more mixed race than ever before. Hispanics have always been mixed race, of course, but I’ve seen a lot of perps who are probably technically white but who have more than a little “touch of the brush,” as one observer once phrased it.

  59. Art Deco says:
    @Alfa158

    Wise isn’t Jewish and he grew up in Nashville. That aside, the man has no education in quantitative subjects himself, and, in fact, no expertise in any endeavour. He’s earned a living with this grift for 25 years due to principal-agent problems and the presence of an ample supply of fools in and among higher education apparatchicks. He’s not paid to know anything but rhetorical tricks.

    • Replies: @black sea
  60. res says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Relevant tweet. That data is NYC only.

    The original source is page 24 of
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/nypd_annual_firearms_discharge_report_2012.pdf

    Here is the 2018 FBI:UCR page for LEOs killed and assaulted
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018

    The closest thing I see to what you are talking about is
    Table 129 Law Enforcement Officers Assaulted and Injured with Firearms, Knives, or Other Cutting Instruments Race, Ethnicity, and Sex of Known Offender, 2009–2018
    https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2018/topic-pages/tables/table-129.xls

    At 39% blacks are at around triple their population proportion. From 2009-2018 548 white and 363 black offenders (note 130 total Hispanics). NYC looks more skewed because it is 25% black, but the ratio (~3x population proportion) is similar.

    • Thanks: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  61. BenKenobi says:

    “That’s five-to-one.”
    “These are fearful odds.”

    It hasn’t even started, friends. Crispin’s Day is yet to come.

    • Agree: Lurker
  62. BenKenobi says:
    @syonredux

    A few times over the years the Corv*nus account made comments that do not sound/read like the primary user, almost like someone took a sick day.

    I’m still not sure why Steve allows obvious shills to muddy his waters.

  63. res says:
    @Corvinus

    Tim Wise is obviously biased, but in the first link he gives a detailed mathematical analysis which I think is worth engaging with. First, notice that he actually admits the much higher black homicide rates.

    Of course, on the other hand, one could argue — and no doubt white supremacists would — that these figures clearly indicate that blacks are much more homicidal than whites. So, while the per capita homicide offending rate for blacks may be only 0.02 percent, the rate for whites is much smaller: only about 0.003 percent, or 3 one-thousandths of one percent (5,953 white murderers as a percentage of 196.8 million whites). This means that the homicide offending rate for blacks is about 6.8 times higher than the rate for whites.*

    But although this figure seems at first glance to confirm the white racist fears about black violence — at least, relative to white violence — the fact is, it is precisely this fact (the much higher black murder rate relative to the white rate) that ultimately torpedoes their arguments about the risk of interracial crime. Here’s why.

    So as I see it he has confirmed the key point being presented here (higher black homicide rate). He then goes on to attack a strawman of his own construction. Specifically, that blacks are more murderous to whites than they are to other blacks. Does anyone ever actually make that argument?

    The more relevant point is that per capita blacks kill more whites than vice versa. Not that blacks are even MORE murderous towards their own race. And not this point which he saw fit to bold.

    In other words, although interracial homicides are incredibly rare in either direction, any given black person in the United States is about 2.8 times more likely to be killed by a white person than any given white person is to be murdered by a black person.

    I guess the small detail of there being 5x as many whites as blacks in this country has escaped Tim Wise.

    Thanks for providing supporting evidence for this iSteve post, Corvinus! Confirmation from people hostile to one’s arguments is the best kind.

    P.S. The degree of sympathy Tim Wise shows for the victims of violent crime in general in that piece is something to behold.

    Just to put the risk of a white person being murdered by a black person in perspective, that risk is one-fifth the risk of dying while out for a walk, and we’re about 2.5 times more likely to die from choking, more than twice as likely to die from post-surgery complications, and about 60 percent more likely to die from falling down stairs.

    Perhaps he should spend some time applying that logic to police killings? Especially given how much more likely those killed by the police are to have created the situation resulting in their death.

    P.P.S. A more interesting analysis would look at specific areas (say NYC) where blacks make up more of the population. And where the concern about being killed by a black is real.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @res
  64. JMcG says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    My humongous corporation has been issuing supportive statements on the latest kerfuffle nonstop. I’ve noticed that they have just changed to Black as opposed to African American. Someone’s decided it’s time to flip again.

  65. @Lugash

    Hey Lugash, to stay way off topic and all:

    You know, that’s an interest of mine. I think the changes in types and amounts of goods and services in the (now China-made) basket has never been an easy thing for the green-eyeshade boys at the BLS to handle, regarding inflation. I don’t know if they could even account for the big changes seen over the last 3 months at all.

    Even in non Panic-Fest times, there’s hedonics, substitution, and a really big thing that I don’t see (on their site) getting accounted for: The lowering of quality of products due to Cheap China-made crap. If one has to buy a new bike ever 2 years instead of 15 and a washer every 10 instead of 20, (or buy lots of parts), etc. should that not be an input to inflation calculations?

    Anyway, thanks for the reply, Lugash, and here are 4 posts from Peak Stupidity on this kinda interesting subject:

    Measuring Inflation: Hooked on Hedonics
    The Solution for Dilution is Substitution
    Hedonics – Pleasure from Products and Services
    Hedonics in the Current Era of Cheap China-made Crap .

  66. JMcG says:
    @Lugash

    Could you expand on this? What are you seeing?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  67. JimDandy says:

    “Of course, another issue are all the murders that are never closed. The closure rates tend to be lowest in black neighborhoods, especially in black-run cities. So, the number of black murder offenders might be understated due to fears of witness-murdering by black gangs and other problems.

    Snitches get stitches.”

    I’m glad you mentioned this. Consider this fact: “In Chicago, 74 percent of homicides tracked over the past decade went unsolved, according to the analysis.”

    We can safely assume that the large majority of the murderers who weren’t caught were black, but 3/4 of the murders in Chicago–and similar numbers in other urban centers–aren’t factored in when it comes to determining how much more homicidal blacks are? It seems to indicate that even 11.7X is lowballing it in reality.

  68. @Corvinus

    I am not aware of any socio economic factor that explains black animalistic violence. Chetty failed to find a socio economic factor and instead blamed the nebulous ” racism”
    Does Tim back that assertion with data ?

  69. @PiltdownMan

    A few years ago 2015? The Grauniad in their zeal to demonstrate the filthy racism of the police loudly announced a project ( The Counted) to document all of the killings of blacks. They played around with formats and rankings a few times before it was page 27nd and ultimately dropped I think, because of the embarrassment caused by the excess number of whites who insisted on being killed just to disprove the True Racism of the police.

    In the real world you’re safer with white cops than black, with men rather than women and if, God forbid, you are faced with a black female cop, drop to the ground immediately and you might get lucky and be shot only once or twice.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  70. Wilkey says:
    @Corvinus

    (2) differential encounter rates***. Whites are more likely to encounter other whites, whereas African-Americans are not more likely to encounter other African-Americans. Thus, the differential encounter rates also needs to be controlled for so that the comparison is between apples and apples.

    “Differential encounter rates” – what load of malarkey is that?

    The racial disparity in violent crime exists no matter where you go – whether the city is 1% black or 80% black. In any city of any size blacks *always* commit violent crimes at dramatically higher rates than whites. Always. Even when controlling for economic factors, and no matter what the “differential encounter rates” are.

    And when a black person does kill a white person dies the victim really care that much (assuming he even could care) whether he was killed for his race or for Random Stupid Reason #1,387?

    It’s always worth diving into the data and analyzing it from various perspectives. The problem with the lLeft is that if they look at the data in 87 different ways, and even just one of those ways shows disparity against blacks, then that’s suddenly the only angle that matters.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  71. The “white hispanic” statistical slight-of-hand originates from the Nixon Justice Dept., where some lawyer-bureaucrats wearing very small hats came up with the clever scheme of lumping in hispanic perpetrators of violient crime (including murder) as “white” while breaking out the victims of the same crimes into a separate “hispanic” category. Thus the figures for crimes committed by whites is made higher while the figure of white victims is made lower.

    That’s how the much-despised Peruvian octaroon George Zimmerman who sent Saint Trayvon of Skittles to his eternal glory was described by the absolute paragons of morality in the Mockingbird Media over and over as a “white” hispanic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Lurker
  72. Wilkey says:
    @Wilkey

    Sorry, ran out of time to edit my comment…

    For example, with regard to the death penalty, white murderers are actually more likely to get the death penalty than black murderers. There are any number of random reasons this could be. Most likely it’s because white murderers live, on average, in more conservative jurisdictions filled with judges and jurors with no objections to executing a murderer.

    But years ago the SJWs sifted through the data on death penalty convictions and found that blacks who murdered whites were more likely to receive capital punishment than other types of murderers. Of course there are plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons that could be the case. As mentioned above, it could simply be that they may have committed the murder in a more conservative jurisdiction than your average black-on-black murder. It could also be that black-on-white murders are more likely to be especially heinous or premeditated. But the SJWs didn’t care to dive into examining those possibilities. They had found one of way in which it least appeared that black murderers might be more likely to be executed because of their race, and they stopped looking.

  73. Moses says:
    @Kornboy

    War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.

  74. Corvinus says:
    @syonredux

    “You mean play along with the parody?”

    Excerpt the immutable truth is you have falsely characterized me as a parody, and thus feel compelled to continue on with your charade. It is behavior unbecoming of an alleged professor. Is that how you treat your students when they challenge your world view?

    Again, refute the argument made, rather than entirely discount the source.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  75. OT- Mr.Sailer, what do you think the ultimate deal will be between the MLB and MLBPA for the 2020 season?

    …and I’ll throw some mlb trivia videos into this post as well:

  76. res says:
    @res

    Any specific point of disagreement, Corvinus? Because I laid out my points in some detail. It is telling that you fall for specious reasoning like that used by Tim Wise.

    Let’s return to this highly relevant point you made in another comment above:

    Refute the argument made, rather than entirely discount the source.

    And thanks for doubling down on that to make your failure to refute my points even more glaring.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @res
  77. Ed says:
    @Art Deco

    Exactly. Let’s take a look at this past week. Most of the sizable protests were in cities with large populations of educated white professionals. Since these areas also have high end retail they also attracted looters. Detroit and Newark saw minimal looting.

    This is the manifestation of The Great Awokening.

    If white liberals had better things to do none of this would be occurring.

  78. Daniel H says:

    I recall NY state statistics from about 20 years about the ration of white, hispanic, black was about 1:3:9.

  79. @Charon

    The Trump Administration hasn’t done anything.

    Not much point in their bothering.

    Disagree. I’ll grant i’m way geekier–more math+data oriented–than the norm. But having data to call “b.s.” on various minoritarian lies is goodness.

    The first thing–which was right up Trump’s alley to deal with because of the census–is to abolish this nonsense of having a single ethnic category “Hispanic” which has basically nothing to do with the US.

    — Have the necessary broad racial categories, narrower categories and the substantial mixed categories–“mestizo” and “mulatto”.

    — Then go ahead and let everyone have an “ethnicity” and sub-ethnicity–e.g. “white American”, “English”, “Scots-Irish”, “Irish”, “black American”, “Jewish”, “Mexican”, “Cuban”, “Chinese”, “Indian”, “Arab” … and check multiple boxes as appropriate.

    And get this same clarity in racial/ethnic clarification pushed into the criminal stats.

    Clarity is good. And a bunch of the scamming becomes more difficult–especially around white Mexicans agitating as “Hispanic” champions.

  80. anon[618] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    So what does race baiter Tim Wise have to say?

    Something that demonstrates he cannot do grade school arithmetic, or he’s a liar. Possibly both!

    No surprise you cited him, Coronavinus. Innumeracy and lies are not alien to you.

    By the way, you are getting more strident and desperate every day. Normal people have noticed this. You need to calm down.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  81. Corvinus says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “So much ruin, both physical and cognitive, in black-White rutting.”

    Celebration, not ruin.

  82. Someone needs to study the additional victims expected for each black criminal who is released from “mass incarceration” or who is never arrested in the first place due to “light touch” policing.

    For example, the recidivism rate is around 60%, and the average criminal probably gets away with twenty violent crimes (rape, murder, assault, and robbery) before finally getting arrested, convicted, and sent to prison. That means the average black releasee (including those who go straight and never commit another crime), will statistically commit about twelve of these violent crimes. If 80% of the victims are expected to be black, then each black criminal released (or never convicted) will statistically add around ten additional rapes, murders, assaults and robberies to the black community.

    I’m sure defunding the police and emptying the jails will therefore do wonders to reverse the low property values in communities of color which are the legacy of FDR-era loan programs.

  83. @Art Deco

    They’ve been living under the same government for about 400 years now.

    Note, the people who make the decisions in this country ignore large constituencies when they care to do so (evangelicals, for example). They could quite readily tell the homosexual agitators to get stuffed; instead, everyone else’s life is distorted and disfigured to please them. The lumpen element in the black population might number about 6 million, supplemented with people from various other strata who run interference for them. They could be readily ignored and public policy proceed along lines which treats their grievances as static. Our ultimate problem has to do with status competition among professional-managerial people. We could deal with the problems posed by lumpenproletarians. Gentry liberals Just.Do.Not.Feel.Like.It.

    A good comment. But gist of the problem is precisely that we don’t have the same government that we had for the first 350 years.

    For the first 350 we had a self-confident Anglo-Protestant majority culture. Blacks might cause trouble, but no one was going to bend over for them. Even “adjacent” peoples like my Irish-Catholic ancestors needed to conform. (You don’t like the way we say the Lord’s Prayer in public schools … that’s your problem–roll your own damn school then.)

    Majorities have been able to tolerate minority populations in all sorts of polities for centuries. But the rule is pretty universal: Obey. It’s our way or the highway. You don’t like it GTFO!

    With the rise of Jewish minoritarianism–minorities oppressed, virtuous, majorities oppressive, evil–and the associated coup against republican government in favor of elite (judicial, bureaucratic) diktat in the name of “Civil Rights” having all this vibrant “diversity” together became a lot more unpleasant.

    Diversity is bad enough as is. But with minoritarianism it really is more difficult to have everyone under the same government–much less have everyone feel it is legitimate. It’s much more difficult to have everyone together at all.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Reg Cæsar
  84. “So, saying that blacks are an order of magnitude more murderous than whites in the U.S. sounds like the most reasonable and safest guesstimate.”

    Yeah but…it’s just that…well…we’re —not supposed to know this.

  85. @Anonymous

    Sounds more like Lincoln to me.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  86. ATBOTL says:

    Most of New York’s Hispanic murderers tend to be mulatto Puerto Ricans or Dominicans, ethnic groups who tend to have higher homicide rates than the more common mestizos from Mexico.

    Is there data on this?

  87. @James Speaks

    It would be interesting to see the arrest rates for whites versus blacks on the charge of aggravated assault.

    I guarantee you, and would bet my fortune, that those rates would mirror the murder rates.

    We here all know the truth. The world around us is crazy and “can’t handle the truth.”

    • Replies: @adreadline
  88. @Ad70titusrevenge

    And it was his sometimes enemy, John Adams, who expressed skepticism that this thing of ours would last. Something about the requirement that the citizenry be “virtuous.”

    “Virtue” is a word that is slowly disappearing from the American vernacular–if it isn’t gone already.

  89. Art Deco says:
    @Alden

    About 30 percent of army enlisted men are black.

    About 24% of enlisted men, 18% of warrant officers, and 11% of the officers.

    • Replies: @Alden
  90. @International Jew

    A follow-up to “Islam is right about women?”

    ABRAHAM
    LINCOLN
    WAS
    RIGHT

    The first comment suggests Jefferson, but I read his street cred is already weak in the hood, being a Founding Father and stuff, which inevitably makes one think of dead white males. Not that Lincoln is that well regarded, also being a deceased man of pallor, but at least he can claim (for now) that Great Emancipator moniker. He also got a movie in which he played Daniel Day-Lewis, or was it the other way around?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  91. @TWS

    Unz.com only moderates comments by right wingers. Shitlibs can troll the comments endlessly, even inciting violence, without any repercussions. I think this is how Unz tries to prove how open minded and unbiased he is.

  92. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “uppercase treatment in the same way that other races — Latino being one example — are capitalized”

    Latino is a race? Since when? What happened to “Etruscan-Americans”? Fiat justitia Latina!

  93. @Whiskey

    After digesting this many of the fans (mostly white I might add) of the NFL might stay home when the various stadia open up for business. But not for long. After all, they want their bread and circuses. And what better way to wile away the hours than watching what amounts to a kind of gladiatorial minstrel show on steroids.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Neoconned
  94. Art Deco says:
    @AnotherDad

    With the rise of Jewish minoritarianism

    Again, this is a fantasy. The appellate court which handed you the Wickard decision had 1 Jew on it. The court which bought into sociological jurisprudence in Brown had 1 Jew on it. The one that handed you Cooper v. Aaron had 1 Jew on it. The one that handed you Engel v. Vitale had 0 Jews on it. The one that gave you Griswold v. Connecticut had 1 Jew on it. The one that gave you Griggs had 0 Jews on it. The one that gave you Roe v. Wade had o Jews on it. The one that gave you the Bakke decision had 0 Jews on it. The one that gave you the Webster decision had o Jews on it. It wasn’t until the Romer decision in 1997 and the Obergefell decision in 2015 that the court’s Jewish members were decisive. You’re attributing an awful lot of psi power to Felix Frankfurter.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  95. anon[618] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    But southern “gentlemen” can have sex with black women and sire offspring.

    Weak sauce non sequitur. Even by Coronavinus standards, weak.

  96. @Whiskey

    But hey, White women …

    Watch them double-down on the “breast cancer pinkouts,” as a play for this demographic when the NFL resumes.

  97. Anon7 says:

    OT: The police are spreading the Covid-19 nightmare!

    Police Tactics Could Turn Protests Into Covid-19 Hot Spots
    Sure, large crowds already carry a risk of transmission. It’s just worse when you teargas people, make them cough on each other, and bus them to jail.

    Pandemics are always political—especially Covid-19.

    The brutal police response to protests against police brutality may exacerbate a disease that disproportionately affects the people already disproportionately affected by police brutality.

    Did I really just read that last sentence?

    I’m especially amazed that a new transmission risk has been identified – teargassing people makes people cough on each other! I suppose now we can’t teargas people during flu season…

  98. res says:
    @Anonymous

    The following statement is given here along with a citation.
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/2713794.pdf

    It was found that the public mind would not bear the proposition (gradual emancipation), nor will it bear it even at this day (1821). Yet the day is not distant when it must bear and adopt it, or worse will follow. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate, than that these people are to be free; nor is it less certain, that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will wear off insensible, and their place be, pari passu, filled up by free white laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up. We should in vain look for an example in the Spanish deportation, or deletion of the Moors. This precedent would fall far short of our case.84

    P.S. I hope I am not the only person here who is able to a web search. Feel free to try it yourself. Then if you can’t find anything ask your question noting that you tried.

  99. @Buzz Mohawk

    I guarantee you, and would bet my fortune, that those rates would mirror the murder rates.

    I wouldn’t bet more than my lunch, but do as you will. I recall Sailer mentioning this, not that it’s not quite obvious: he very clearly is talking about arrest rates. When someone assaults someone else, even very violently, resulting in more than just a flesh wound and messy makeup, but without resulting in death, the likelihood of an arrest being made cannot be assumed to be the same as if it had resulted in death. Those aggravated assaults likely happen in the ghetto, where cops might not be very inclined to go unless there’s a body to collect. No body, no arrest, resulting in agravatted rates that are possibly skewed compared to murder rates when discriminated by race of the offender. Could you be right? Of course. But now, if you’re wrong, I claim your fortune, however many Frank Sinatra records and 20th Century Tobacco cards that would be.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  100. res says:
    @res

    So no refutation from Corvinus. What a hypocrite! After going on about.

    Refute the argument made, rather than entirely discount the source.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  101. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    The orthodox Jewish community in New York has a lot to answer for. I know they’re anti-social but this takes it to new heights.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  102. J.Ross says:
    @Charon

    >using spellcheck

    Pathetic.
    ——
    The next hotness is going to be cursive blog commenting. Unreadable to Joan Donovan types.

  103. Slightly OT but let’s make sure to archive these videos because they’ve already started with the “white supremacists are the ones doing the looting” BS:

    Of particular anthropological note, at 4:26 a large black man walks out of a computer store with an iMac, he is then immediately followed by multiple skinny black men who start trying to grab it from him, hitting him across the face, until one succeeds and runs off with it. Truly a cornucopia of red pills.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  104. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Amid the vagueness that allows these protests to be covert anti-Trump (And from the establishments view, anti-populist) protests comes an actual set of policies to reduce deaths in custody. Albeit it seems to ignore the numbers of those already dropping.

    I’m not sure how practical they are or novel. (Isn’t de-escalation what police have already been doing for decades?)

    Here is a reddit thread about it on the US police reddit.

    8 Can Wait from ProtectAndServe

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  105. @Corvinus

    The problem with this Wise person’s pseudo-analysis is that he is attacking a fake straw man argument — i.e., that blacks are perpetrating “white genocide.” Who knows what he means by this? Perhaps he means to attack the straw man argument that blacks are more likely to murder whites rather than other blacks. But nobody is making that argument. (Although many individual blacks seem to have racial motives in their murder of individual whites — See Paul Kersey’s blog for the gruesome anecdotes).

    To the contrary, everyone (except SJWs, whose minds won’t recognize inconvenient facts), agrees that blacks are just generally more murderous and that 90% of their murders are against other blacks. In other words, blacks don’t target whites, they just indiscriminately murder every group they encounter at preposterously high rates.

    The “raw data” he cites just confirms this point.

    Likewise, his use of the left/right handed metaphor shows that he doesn’t really understand how metaphors work

    A simplified example may help to bring this point home: imagine that a raw data comparison between right-handed and left-handed people showed that there were more right-handed murderers than left-handed ones. What conclusions could you draw about the connection between being right-handed and being a murderer? Absolutely nothing, as you have to perform the correct data normalizations.

    The reality corresponding to his metaphor is that 13% of the population (i.e, left-handed people/blacks) commit 53% of the murders. And the fixed number of interactions between Left and Right-handed people produce 10x the number of Right-Handed murder victims as Left-Handed victims. That’s an airtight statistical case that Right-Handers have more to fear from Left-Handers than vice versa.

    I won’t even get into the dumb “muh, socio-economic confounds” argument. The fact that black dysfunction shows up in both their crime and socio-economic outcome data is just more evidence of the dysfunction, not an excuse for it. That’s like saying: “Sure, I committed a murder, but if you were as stupid and irresponsible as me, you probably would have killed someone, too.”

    Besides, low income whites are not even close to as murderous as their black counterparts.

    I don’t know who this Tim Wise is, but apparently his account is an IQ test. If you find him persuasive, you fail.

  106. @AnotherDad

    a self-confident Anglo-Protestant majority culture

    Self- confident but deluded. The precedent for the Obergefell decision came in January 1621, when William Bradford announced at Plymouth’s first wedding that he was acting in his capacity as a bureaucrat, and not as a clergyman. Marriage is not a “right”, it’s a sacrament.

    Before anyone singles out Massachusetts, remember that colonies of lower latitudes preferred Africans to Irishmen. That may have worked (for them) in the short run, but it’s been a struggle for the rest of us ever since. If the only way a “worker” will work is if you breathe down his neck, with a whip in one hand and a pistol in the other, then he’s not much of an investment, is he?

    Unless you socialize his costs.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    , @Alden
  107. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    Has Steve seen this NYT column?

    None of this sounds insane or like a cult at all. The narcissism of the upper middle class and it’s rage against populism knows no bounds.

  108. @Corvinus

    differences in base rates: because of socio-economic factors** (such as crowded housing

    Hong Kong

    poverty density,

    Bangladesh, Cambodia

    population density,

    Macau, Monaco

    and income,

    Maldives, Tonga

    levels of urbanization,

    Japan, Canada, Australia

    unemployment rates,

    Greece, Spain

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/unemployment-by-country/

    deprivations of community resources and family disruptions), African-Americans are overrepresented in crime statistics. When comparison black-on-white homicide and white-on-black homicide, base rates is a confounder (cf. handedness above).

    That’s not the kind of lefty we’re worried about.

    crowded housing

    Don’t dream. It’s over.

  109. @Reg Cæsar

    Marriage is not a “right”, it’s a sacrament.

    If this is true, it’s just one more reason why the State has no business being involved in the marriage industry, including giving tax breaks to ‘couples filing jointly’. The so-called ‘marriage penalty’ would also disappear, though it affects a comparatively trivial proportion of the population. But then married people (currently privileged) would also have to forego the transfer exemption (currently permitting them to transfer an unlimited amount of funds tax-free to anyone simply by marrying them).

    There’s more, of course. If either you or your spouse don’t qualify for your own Social Security benefits, you can receive the other spouse’s benefits. That’s free money! You can also potentially receive Medicare, disability, veterans, military and pension plan benefits through your spouse. A spouse can inherit an entire estate without tax consequences. No matter the amount–it can be millions or billions. No gift tax, zero, nada.

    If you’re married, you can usually get on your spouse’s health insurance and enjoy the family rate. And of course there are well-documented health and welfare benefits to being married, making it seem unnecessary to pile on the legal and financial benefits. I haven’t even mentioned insurance.

    I need hardly tell anyone here that it’s pretty easy to argue that society benefits from family stability, but I’m not as convinced that this is the reason that the legal and financial benefits have been piled on. I think it’s more a matter of those in power generally being married, so naturally they seek to benefit their own kind. That’s somewhat subversive, in this crowd.

    For my part, I’ve been married and I’ve been single. Both offer benefits, though a bad marriage is vastly worse than none at all. Except that we still pile on the benefits, arguably promoting bad along with good.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  110. ATBOTL says:
    @DextersLabRat

    The guy who got robbed in that video is Hispanic.

  111. Dtbb says:
    @Alden

    But there still wouldn’t be any joggers. I can LIVE with that!

  112. @Corvinus

    Tim Wise says that if you don’t account for his opinions, you have no right to use facts and figures. Yep, it sounds like post-modern logic all right.

  113. @Altai

    Here is a reddit thread about it on the US police reddit.

    Reddit’s co-founder has volunteered to give up his position to be replaced by a black person. Is this a first?

    That he’s Mr Serena Williams might have something to do with this.

    https://qz.com/work/1865415/alexis-ohanian-leaves-reddit-board-to-make-space-for-a-black-voice/

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  114. @JMcG

    I can: Having not set foot in any kind of store since the first week of March, my shopping has been somewhat curtailed. I get my groceries by ordering them online and then picking them up outside the store. This means that many items I’d normally pick up are left out of my orders, one example being fresh unpackaged produce. Too many risks, plus the grocery pickers aren’t remotely able to select produce intelligently. Though I do permit items like apples and peaches. But I normally buy things which are not on my list when I visit the stores in person. No more.

    Other things I just do without, if I can’t order them online for delivery. Example: I need gravel and concrete mix for projects. The projects have to wait. I didn’t buy any plants this year.

    I’m well aware that this post may set off the CoronaHoax contingent, but they should know that I’ll pay them twice the minimum wage to do my errands. I just won’t tell them where I live 😉

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  115. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Marriage is a sacrament is a catholic thing. Marriage is a civil contract recognized by a designated civil servant is a Puritan Protestant thing.

    When Calvin was terrorizing Geneva he outlawed wedding rings, wearing new clothes on the civil contract signing day forbade a nice meal or any celebrations decorations etc. he wanted civil contract signing to be about as romantic as filing a real estate transfer. He outlawed church weddings. France did the same during the French Revolution and the custom continued the legal marriage in city hall The religious ritual a day later only the civil marriage is legal

  116. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prester John

    I can’t wait for a team to sign and play Colin Kapernick. It’s a matter of principal, no? On the other hand, it is likely he will get paid off.

  117. Alden says:
    @Art Deco

    Thanks, thought it was more. During the 10 year conspiring and plotting for the French Revolution many of the plotters were army officers, more were lawyers writers and printers all funded and organized by Phillip d’ Orleans,5th in line to the throne.

    Many American revolutionaries were in the colonial British army and militias. They turned on Britain

    Given the racial tensions among the enlisted men, the powers of the lifer warrant officers to conspire, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were not revolutionary cells in the army. They aren’t selling all those stolen armaments

  118. Lurker says:
    @Whiskey

    The NFL is going all Woke

    Going?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  119. Anon7 says:

    FBI Statistics:

    Less than 400 people are killed by the police each year.
    61 percent are white men.
    32 percent are black males.

    Black males are 58 percent of those legally killed by citizens in self-defense.
    75 percent of these black males… are killed by black citizens in self-defense.

    Black men constitute 6.5 percent of the US population –
    Black men commit 52 percent of all murders.

    Blacks are 27 times more likely to attack whites than the reverse.

    90 percent of blacks who are murdered are killed by other black people.
    Depending on the year, about six thousand black people are killed by other black people.

  120. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Lurker

    Flag burning at half time. Random White dudes beaten to death in the stands and parking lot.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  121. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    Total annual Black homicides are slightly less than 10,000. And most of them are other Blacks. You can make an argument that this is awful, and I agree. Also that it is an indication of their criminality, ethnically cleansing neighborhoods, etc.

    But it still mostly a black thing. How many whites are they killing per year? 1,000 or so? The general problem of black criminality can’t be solved and haunts the black community. In certain black areas, there are a lot of murders, and they have given up on prison as a solution. However misguided that was. But blaming police is silly.

    But even that pales against the 100,000 Corona virus death this year. Pissed off blacks behaving badly is something the country has decades if not centuries of history with. The insanity over racist police is a crazed over reaction. But even though the looting was triggering to those with experience with this nonsense, its just racial grifting. All this insanity is annoying, but dont let it drive you crazy.

  122. JimDandy says:
    @Altai

    Is winning the presidency the top priority? It’s certainly not if you’re a BLM leader. A calm in racial tensions and a Trump defeat would mean a huge hit to their pocketbooks.

  123. Anonymous[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exalted Cyclops

    The “white hispanic” statistical slight-of-hand originates from the Nixon Justice Dept., where some lawyer-bureaucrats wearing very small hats came up with the clever scheme of lumping in hispanic perpetrators of violient crime (including murder) as “white” while breaking out the victims of the same crimes into a separate “hispanic” category.

    I’ve been told Nixon and his team were super smart. But that just makes them more guilty of anti-white policies. They knew what they were doing.

  124. Lurker says:
    @Exalted Cyclops

    the clever scheme of lumping in hispanic perpetrators of violient crime (including murder) as “white” while breaking out the victims of the same crimes into a separate “hispanic” category. Thus the figures for crimes committed by whites is made higher while the figure of white victims is made lower.

    I’m sure someone pointed out the theoretical case whereby hispanic identical twins could have a stupid family argument and one ends up killing the other. Result being one extra white murderer and one extra hispanic victim. A really clever prosecution might even manage to parlay it into a hate crime.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  125. Muggles says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    >>Where’s Redlands, Steve? Apparently an Amazon warehouse is ablaze. Big if true<<

    Redlands is off I-5 north of Sacramento, northern California (I think).

    There was an earlier news report on this, saying that Amazon reported that the fire was caused by some internal electrical issue, not any kind of riot/protest.

    • Replies: @Amigo
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Rouetheday
  126. Paul says:

    “How Much More Homicidal Are Blacks Than Whites? 7.4x More Like the Obama Administration Said, or 11.7x More?”

    Has Joe Biden taken a position on this issue? Is he defending the Obama number?

    • Replies: @Exalted Cyclops
  127. @Bill Jones

    The project is still there, it stopped in 2016. Basically twice as many whites killed as blacks, but there is that ‘per capita’ thing. Maybe their readers can’t grasp that concept.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-map-us-police-killings

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  128. Jack D says:
    @Alden

    Whiskey, is that you?

    There’s not going to be any coup d’etat this weekend. I assume Pence is not inside the White House waiting for the gates to be stormed. Even if “demonstrators” got in, there is a bunker where Trump can hide.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  129. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’m guessing the first 100k responses to this were the most appropriate use of ‘We did it Reddit!’ ever put to binary.

  130. Jack D says:
    @Altai

    3/4 of the deaths in NY were among non-whites so they can’t ALL be Orthodox.

    • Agree: Goatweed
  131. @res

    “So no refutation from Corvinus. What a hypocrite!”

    For an intelligent man you take a long time to catch on, it’s wholly pointless ‘debating’ him, a waste of your valuable brainpower.

    What I can’t get over is how many people still bite. I block his comments or occasionally scroll straight past to drop “Troll” when I have one to spare. Saves a lot of time.

    • Replies: @res
  132. Anon7 says:

    OT: The problem is much, MUCH bigger than you think it is.

    “Chaos” –Our Spinning Cosmos May Be Losing Its Structure, Becoming More Disorderly
    Lior Shamir, a computational astronomer, presented evidence that… the early universe had a more uniform structure that it has been steadily losing through time, resulting in an increasingly chaotic cosmos.

    I’ve been feeling this way for years.

  133. @Jack D

    The VP’s residence is several miles away and I doubt he’s there.

    The WH is much more strongly fortified than it looks, and a lot of people are gonna get killed if they storm it. It will be a modern day Alamo but this time the Mexicans lose.

  134. @Reg Cæsar

    Ohanian – is that an Armenian name? Fair play to the guy, marrying Serena. It’s a tough job … I applaud him, and hope that all the companies (is anyone keeping a list? Woke Capital?) mouthing BLM slogans replace their CEOs with a black person.

    Btw, what’s the attraction of Reddit? In that it looks as if it would be incredibly easy to clone?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  135. @Hypnotoad666

    he is attacking a fake straw man argument

    How do you distinguish a fake strawman argument from a real strawman argument?

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  136. Forbes says:
    @Kornboy

    Black people have been mistreated by who? The country? And the country is sick of it? Go figure.

    The Democrats are eating their own. The Woke-left is fighting with the Prog-left. The right makes more popcorn.

    All the looting was done by right-wingers which is explained Hollywood Lefties bailing right-wingers out of jail. Yeah, that’s the ticket…

    Minneapolis has been run by Democrats since 1974. What’s stopped Democrats from “fixing” the police for 46 years? Did you want to buy a vowel? Cuz you haven’t a clue.

    You’re right. No one cares.

  137. Interesting graph that may be relevant.

    View post on imgur.com

  138. Amigo says:
    @Muggles

    That would be Redding. Redlands is east of San Bernadino, where the 210 and the 10 meet.

  139. @TontoBubbaGoldstein

    Thomas Jefferson was right. The negro and white man can’t live under the same government.

    When did Thomas Jefferson ever say that? Do you have a cite?

    Sounds more like Lincoln to me.

    Lincoln not only said something to the same effect, he said it at the White House to a group of visiting blacks.

    • Replies: @danand
  140. @Alden

    DC is in trouble this weekend if the numbers come up in the streets. Also intriguing is the collection of retired generals and the current SecDef publicly rebuking President Blumpft!. Are they giving media cover to a network within DoD that can assist in a purge of the Executive Branch? If the former NYC real estate tycoon with ties to the Israeli mafia who became president has lost the support of the Pentagon and the forever war industry he’s toast. This weekend might be a horrorshow. Good TV!

  141. Slimer says:

    I’ll repost my comment from a previous thread, for those wondering why people generally don’t complain about black crime:

    Hoping that white people will get riled up over black crime is low IQ, when so few of them will ever fall victim to it. In a given year black murderers account for < 1% of white deaths in America. In 2015, for example, blacks killed 500 whites out of a population of 243,000,000, a figure that includes not only hate crimes but drug dealings, domestic violence and the like.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race

    Moreover, if hatred of blacks is really about crime, then how come white nationalists shoot up churches instead of, say, dope houses or street corners where known gang members congregate? Hmmm.

  142. Forbes says:
    @black sea

    Figure how you want, but whites commit 2% of all gun crimes in NYC. Murder, armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, brandishing, illegal possession, et al. Two percent.

  143. @Muggles

    Where’s Redlands, Steve? Apparently an Amazon warehouse is ablaze. Big if true

    Redlands is off I-5 north of Sacramento, northern California (I think).

    Not to be confused with Nedlands. But they’ll get it soon enough.

  144. I saw a headline today that claimed that calls for police help (via 911 I assume) come disproportionately from blacks. Does anybody know if that is true? If it is provably true, it blows a giant hole in the BLM and #AbolishThePolice grievances.

  145. Forbes says:
    @Goatweed

    The interracial crime is committed roughly 90% by blacks against whites and 10% by whites against blacks. It varies a bit by location. It’s been holding pretty steady at that rate for decades.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Anonymous
  146. @YetAnotherAnon

    Even the per capita thing is misleading. It seems too obvious to state, but before you have an interaction with the police, you have to have drawn the attention of police. This most often occurs because you did something wrong, or appeared to have done so.

    This prerequisite of drawing the attention of police is not distruted evenly by race.

    As we have all heard, I’m sure, Blacks commit crimes at a dramatically higher rate than Whites, so Blacks are actually shot less “per capita of police contacts” than Whites.

  147. @Reg Cæsar

    Obviously the fake strawman is just a guy in a costume, like that guy in the photo!

  148. Lurker says:
    @Whiskey

    I was being ironic. In other words the NFL had already gone, not going.

  149. @anon

    “you are getting more strident and desperate every day”

    I work with white people who are acolytes of Woke. I simply cannot have an honest conversation with them about the current misery. These are intelligent people who capable of thinking about a thing on multiple levels. But not when it comes to the sacred Black Body. This is mass-conditioning, psychological and psychic warfare in the wake of the Chinese plague. Yeah, something’s going on.

    • Replies: @black sea
  150. @Hypnotoad666

    Besides, low income whites are not even close to as murderous as their black counterparts.

    Yes, this is often glossed over by Black crime apologists. There are, in absolute numbers, many more low income Whites than Blacks, but the expected low income White crime wave never materializes.

  151. @Corvinus

    (2) differential encounter rates***…so, basically, there are so many damn White folk wandering around, the Black folk can’t swing a dead cat (or an axe) without hitting one. Makes sense.

    You know, that quote where Trump talks about George Floyd and his post-mortem assessment of our nation makes me think he is either a master troller par excellence … or he has the world’s worst case of Asberger’s.

  152. Hey Steve, here’s a new bodycam video that has supposedly gone viral where I’m at:

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/06/06/alameda-police-viral-video-body-cam-black-man-dancing-in-street/

    In addition to being a completely legit line of questioning that the dude stopped complying with, I can vouch firsthand for mental people in SF walking in the street. I don’t know about Alameda, and this guy’s irritated, not crazy, but still.

    Going to be fun encouraging black people to defy cops & the public second-guessing the results.

  153. @Corvinus

    “you have falsely characterized me as a parody”

    You are a parody wrapped in a parody. You are performing at the Andy Kaufman level. I’m beginning to believe you are a genius. I’m also high right now.

  154. @Muggles

    Redlands is near San Bernadino about an hour east of L.A. You may be thinking of Redding which is off I-5 north of Sacramento.

  155. @Corvinus

    What?… You’ve never had a one night stand?

  156. Johnson says:
    @James Speaks

    You’ve forgotten that most murders in places like Detroit. Chicago, Baltimore… go unsolved and therefore the killers race is never known and added to the tally. Consider the murder rate of Detroit is 50 per 100,000 (down from 75 per 100,000) and the typical white city surrounding Detroit is typically 1 per 100,000 (and many of those are from black Detroiter’s visiting the burbs) the true ratio is greater than 50 to 1, unfortunately, the establishment controls what they feed the simple masses and the masses “think” regurgitate and live as they are instructed.

  157. @Anonymous

    “nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government.”

    http://tjrs.monticello.org/letter/1401

    The founding fathers knew the truth about the negro and how destructive they could be.

  158. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently 4Chan trolled foolish girls on Twitter into shaving their heads in solidarity with Only Black Lives Matter.

    #GoBaldForBLM

    https://summit.news/2020/06/05/gobaldforblm-trends-on-twitter-after-4chan-troll/

    Lol!

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  159. Goatweed says:

    How many blacks filled the ranks of enlisted Seals photographed with Tiger?

  160. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Not big, just a routine building fire. Nothing to do with riots. Not exactly an Amazon warehouse. Run by a 3rd logistics co. on behalf of Amazon. Stuff happens.

    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/05/massive-3-alarm-warehouse-fire-erupts-amazon-redlands/

  161. Jack D says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    It’s hard to believe because it hasn’t been nearly enough to move the needle, but American blacks have been improved by having white blood. Their IQs are higher than pure Africans.

    Most Negresses were and are disgusting so the # of southern gentlemen who were willing to have sex with them was limited. Most sex happened with the ones who were already mulattoes and therefore had some appeal. A few generations of that and those “blacks” were no longer black, like the Hemings family which crossed the color line and became white. Or else they became “talented tenth” blacks who are barely black but who form the black leadership class. like Ben Jealous.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  162. Jack D says:

    OT- the Revolution eats its own. Stan Wischnowski, the top editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer, has announced his resignation. What was his crime? It was the placement of an insensitive headline over Pulitzer Prize winning architecture reporter Inga Saffron’s column in the Tuesday newspaper: “Buildings Matter, Too”. The column had explored the destruction of buildings amid the looting that accompanied the “peaceful protests” over police violence. This headline was “deeply offensive” to the minority and Leftist reporters at the paper and they held a “sick and tired” out the next day. Everyone knows that ONLY Black Lives Matter. Saying that anything else matters is racis’.

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/stan-wischnowski-resigns-philadelphia-inquirer-20200606.html

    The reporters wrote an “Open Letter” which read in part:

    “We’re tired of shouldering the burden of dragging this 200-year-old institution kicking and screaming into a more equitable age. We’re tired of being told of the progress the company has made and being served platitudes about ‘diversity and inclusion’ when we raise our concerns. We’re tired of seeing our words and photos twisted to fit a narrative that does not reflect our reality. We’re tired of being told to show both sides of issues there are no two sides of.

    Got that – NO MORE TWO SIDES TO EVERY ISSUE. From now on there is only ONE side – the right side, which is our side. These old fashioned Anglo-Saxon notions of “fairness” have got to go.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  163. @Jack D

    Well, if a man is desperate enough… White men mated with Aborigine women, probably the ugliest women on the planet.

    The guy in the picture is Black? Wouldn’t pass for Norwegian, but as a generic White man.

  164. J.Ross says:

    Black lives matter, Irish never have:

  165. danand says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Lincoln not only said something to the same effect, he said it at the White House.”

    Cæsar, you’re right, he did.

    Lincoln hosted serious policy discussions about what the post-slavery United States would look like; one of the solutions offered was to colonize the slaves abroad. Historically, the most famous example of this is Liberia, founded in 1816. Over the course of the next 50 years, several thousand former slaves migrated to Liberia and colonized it.

    Lincoln liked this model, but wanted to expand upon it, and he was willing to look to Central and South America, and across the Caribbean. He pursued this (re)colonization policy for most of his first term presidency, secured funding from Congress in 1862, and carried it out in conjunction with the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.

    Lincoln gave a White House gave a speech in 1862 to an invited a delegation of black ministers where he basically told them; we’ve undertaken this colonization venture, here’s why I think you should go:

    “We recognize that slavery is a source of this war that’s being waged, and slavery, by its very presence on this continent, has instilled violence. The way to get around that violence is, you need to leave. You will find a peaceful existence abroad, and we will find a peaceful existence here.”

    Lincoln publicity changed position prior to his second term.

  166. @Paul

    Uncle Sniffy will have to fire up the Ouija-board to ask Corn Pop about the rate (if he can remember it long enough). I heard that Corn Pop was a really bad dude back in the day, not just Somedude.

  167. Anonymous[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    And the fixed number of interactions between Left and Right-handed people produce 10x the number of Right-Handed murder victims as Left-Handed victims.

    Is this true if you mean black for Left and white for Right? What is your source?

  168. Aurora says:

    They not only need to bring back the table, but separate Hispanic from white. To that they need to be more accurate when they arrest people, most cities along with FBI have hispanic as white, in my town I also see several blacks listed as white.

  169. Anon[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting thing about that 11.7x figure. A white woman with a black boyfriend is 12 times more likely to be killed by him than if she had a white boyfriend. The figures are almost exactly the same. This means blacks are more likely to kill than whites by a factor of 12, period.

  170. Anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bucky

    Those aren’t microaggressions per se. What blacks are doing are using put-downs to establish a pecking order among themselves. They keep putting each other down because they’re trying to climb to the top of the status pile among their group.

    The black looting and riots are simply an attempt by blacks to put whites at the bottom of the pecking order. Whites need to return the favor and teach criminals their place.

  171. @anon

    Stackexchange is a high IQ website where people can ask questions, and really smart people answer the questions.

    That site should be called “redpill.com.”

  172. @Goatweed

    All black on White crime should be treated as a hate crime.

    The herd have no problem assuming that the Floyd incident was racially motivated merely because the cop was white and Floyd was black. By the same logic all black on white crime should be treated as a presumptive racial hate crime.

    But as we all know, the leftist woketards who control the narrative do not play by the same rules they impose on others.

  173. Just in case you missed it, from an article on university professor Charles Negy:

    Negy’s tweet linked to a story by an American commentator Steve Sailer. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate speech, describes Sailer as an “extremist” who promotes crude racial stereotypes and is the founder of a “neo-eugenic online discussion forum”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/05/university-professor-central-florida-black-privilege

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Reg Cæsar
  174. @AnotherGuessModel

    Of course they won’t link to my column in Taki’s …

  175. @The Alarmist

    An order of magnitude more or 10x the rate, not 10x more than 7.4, which is probably an underestimate anyway. Only cleared murder cases counted, most homicides in Detroit and Chicago unsolved.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  176. @anon

    Kap hasn’t played in years, so that seems unlikely. If he is signed, though, it’s an interesting question as to whether opposing defensive players might cooperate in making him successful.

    And I don’t care what they say, Drew Brees better watch his back for his own teammates giving the defense a clean shot, and brace for extra emphasis when they do get him in a vulnerable position.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  177. AceDeuce says:
    @Whiskey

    Any white person who goes to the games, or gives a dime to the bakkabaw and feetsbaw players from here on out, is a traitor to their race. We need a mass boycott. Let these turds take a knee in an empty stadium.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  178. @Mr McKenna

    Having and rearing legitimate issue is a legitimate issue, and an expensive one, so tax breaks for families are defensible. The problem is the ridiculous diversity of what’s called “marriage” today.

    There is no reason to extend polygamy and consanguinity bans to same-sex unions, where, unlike with regular marriages, those conditions are irrelevant. But would they get multiple and/or inbred benefits that straight folks don’t?

    But then married people (currently privileged) would also have to forego the transfer exemption (currently permitting them to transfer an unlimited amount of funds tax-free to anyone simply by marrying them).

    Any Canadians remember a story from about a decade and a half ago, when same-sexxing was new to marriage, and two straight, single businessmen announced they would get married before making a deal just to get the fiscal and legal benefits of spouses? They were shouted down by the rights crowd and they backed away.

    But not those two straight mates in New Zealand who won tickets to the Rugby World Cup for a married couple. The rights crowd in Aotearoa whined as well, but they went through with it.

  179. @AnotherGuessModel

    The Southern Poverty Law Center

    Does anybody over here still cite these cretins? I thought the #MeToo thing took care of them. Is news slow to cross the ocean? Somebody call the Manchester London Guardian.

    A professor at the University of Central Florida…

    So they control the Ivies and the flagships, and guys sympathetic to us are relegated to Sinkhole State.

  180. @adreadline

    I see your point, but you can’t have my Sandy Koufax card. Besides, it came with bubble gum.

  181. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    They need to add a punctuation mark to “Black,” something like “~Black~” indicating that we must genuflect as we read or say the sacred word. Or maybe “Black” is so sacred that we shouldn’t completely write it out, but write “B—k”, like Orthodox Jews write “G-d” instead of God.

    It’s impossible to err on the side of obsequiousness, so let’s get cracking!

  182. @Altai

    But maybe they think increased black turnout will override that?

    What if it turns out most black people don’t like other black people destroying their neighborhood stores and businesses? That’s possible, isn’t it?

  183. @Anon7

    We can scream these stats from the rooftops every day, it isn’t going to make a god damned bit of difference. You can’t change a dead mind.

  184. @Anon7

    We can scream these stats from the rooftops every day, it isn’t going to make a god damned bit of difference. You can’t change dead minds.

  185. black sea says:
    @Art Deco

    According to his Wikipedia entry, Wise’s paternal grandfather was Jewish, he identifies as Jewish, and he makes reference to his family synagogue having been the target of bigots when he was 12-years old.

    I have no interest in getting into one of these “the Jews control everything” discussions; I’m just pointing out that this is the information on his Wikipedia page..

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  186. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472

    Three guys rob a bank and the security guard is killed. In some [states] all three bank robbers get charged with first degree murder even though only one actually shot the security guard.

    More interesting in some states: one of the *bankrobbers gets shot dead by security, the others may be up for murder under the “felony murder rule” for causing their buddy’s death by perpetrating a felony.

  187. black sea says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I work with several such people, and I would never discuss these events in any but the most anodyne terms, “It’s a shame, I hope things get better soon,” etc. Not that I actually discuss the topic at all.

    There have been several comments on these boards about various Woke Whites being shaken out of their slumber by the current images of mayhem. I don’t think so. It may make them more cautious about venturing into unfamiliar urban territory, but that’s not because they fear the inhabitants themselves; it’s because the long-suffering inhabitants, having faced centuries of oppression, might retaliate under the mistaken impression that these people are their oppressors. If only they knew we were allies!

    Rational debate can talk you out of buying a Corvette and into buying a BMW. Rational debate can talk you out of a boob job and into a push up bra. But once people invest this much of their ego and identity into a worldview, they won’t significantly alter it, because they can’t afford to. To discard such a worldview is tantamount to the death of a part of their soul, or to the betrayal of principles that only irredeemably evil people would even so much as question.

    If their cars are destroyed, their family members intimidated, and their neighborhoods burned to the ground, these people will still find a way to blame it on the Deplorables.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  188. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The only thing that’s certain about terms that refer to blacks is that sooner or later they get replaced with something else.

  189. Lurker says:
    @Forbes

    interracial crime is committed roughly 90% by blacks against whites and 10% by whites against blacks.

    And there is something of a question mark over the composition of that 10%.

  190. Anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Ohanian – is that an Armenian name?

    Armenians are POCs, not White.

  191. Anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes

    The interracial crime is committed roughly 90% by blacks against whites and 10% by whites against blacks.

    That seems too high. Could you post a link or citation?

  192. anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Other things I just do without, if I can’t order them online for delivery. Example: I need gravel and concrete mix for projects. The projects have to wait.

    Could you do those projects with bricks or pavers? Seems like those are pretty easy to pick up in some locations lately.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  193. @adreadline

    A follow-up to “Islam is right about women?”

    ABRAHAM
    LINCOLN
    WAS
    RIGHT

    Exactly. I think it would make a great troll.

  194. @Viking1488

    As I remembered this it dawned on me who griffe du lion is
    RON UNZ IS GRIFFE DU LION

    Is it their shared positive attitude to Ashkenazi Jews that tipped you off?

  195. res says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I caught on a long time ago. I reply to him not with any expectation of changing his mind, rather a hope that other people reading will realize just how little value his comments have. Thus when he makes seemingly reasonable statements like this:

    Refute the argument made, rather than entirely discount the source.

    But utterly fails to live up to them himself I call him out.

    Perhaps it is a waste of time though… I know most of the regulars here know all about Corvinus. I’m just not sure his schtick is obvious to casual readers.

  196. @anon

    Thanks, I have ‘bricks & pavers’ projects too. For this particular work I need to be able to cast concrete in place. In the event, I’ll just bite the bullet and go mix with the careless masses for a few minutes. No hurry though.

  197. @Unladen Swallow

    Yes, but if 7.4x is the starting point, them shouldn’t 10x 7.4x be the next order of magnitude (in base 10) rather than 11 something?

  198. @res

    Thanks again. I appreciate the trouble you’ve taken to find, copy and post those links.

  199. Art Deco says:
    @black sea

    I don’t think I’d lose money if I placed bets in favor of the following propositions (1) there was no family synagogue and (2) none of the synagogues in and around Nashville suffered anything but trivial problems in 1980/81.

    The man’s whole career is built on a set of falsehoods, and the clown event planners on American campuses are willing to pretend.

  200. Art Deco says:
    @black sea

    Rational debate can talk you out of buying a Corvette and into buying a BMW. Rational debate can talk you out of a boob job and into a push up bra. But once people invest this much of their ego and identity into a worldview, they won’t significantly alter it, because they can’t afford to. To discard such a worldview is tantamount to the death of a part of their soul, or to the betrayal of principles that only irredeemably evil people would even so much as question.

    +10

  201. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Brees and the Denver coach should have kept quiet. The only safe answer to any of these racial gotcha questions is, “I dunno. I’m just a quarterback.” And then leave the room.

  202. @TWS

    Cheating to cover up black and “minority” crime has been institutionalized for over 50 years. It has been put in writing. Lying by omission, or even blatant lies are not only socially accepted, but lies are considered virtuous and required. We call it the #PCGagOrder: Never speak negatively of “minorities” in order to not stir up “prejudice” . Prejudice is usually correct #AccuratePrejudice.

    You don’t break Hispanics out as victims then lump them as criminals. You don’t stack the deck unless you’re planning on cheating.

    We at sincerity.net consider this socially accepted #PCGagOrder the original sin, root cause of all evil brainwashing, false policies and the reason why false PC theories can not be debunked

  203. Neoconned says:
    @Prester John

    Cant speak for most but I don’t really like or see the appeal of the NFL….

    I may watch the occasional Saints game and love the 1990s Cowboys team but otherwise loathe the over commercialization of the sport and the stinking commercials every 2 to 3 minutes….

  204. @black sea

    To discard such a worldview is tantamount to the death of a part of their soul, or to the betrayal of principles that only irredeemably evil people would even so much as question.

    That’s it. Well-stated.

  205. @Corvinus

    Sally Hemmings was “damn near white” according to a fellow slave.

  206. Mr. Anon says:
    @Kornboy

    You forgot to write your middle name: Hole

  207. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mr McKenna

    I can: Having not set foot in any kind of store since the first week of March, my shopping has been somewhat curtailed. I get my groceries by ordering them online and then picking them up outside the store. This means that many items I’d normally pick up are left out of my orders, one example being fresh unpackaged produce. Too many risks, plus the grocery pickers aren’t remotely able to select produce intelligently. Though I do permit items like apples and peaches. But I normally buy things which are not on my list when I visit the stores in person. No more.

    Other things I just do without, if I can’t order them online for delivery. Example: I need gravel and concrete mix for projects. The projects have to wait. I didn’t buy any plants this year.

    Okay, Howard. Tell us, just how long are your fingernails now? I hope you’re staying well stocked with kleenex and milk cartons to piss in.

  208. @anon

    I can’t wait for a team to sign and play Colin Kapernick. It’s a matter of principal, no? On the other hand, it is likely he will get paid off.

    Why would any team manager take one for the league and give up his team’s chance at a Superbowl only to sign a non-performer who will make his life a living hell with a bunch of ideological posturing? Even if the other teams paid Kap’s salary and threw in an additional $10m a year to compensate the team for taking Kap on, it wouldn’t be worth the Sturm und Drang, and multiple losing seasons.

  209. I got $10 that says Kapernick never plays another down in the NFL. He was never that good, and now he is poison.

  210. Era says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t all the non-blacks in prison basically ally against blacks?

    I’ve always gotten the impression that’s the way race works in prison in practice. The Aryan groups are pretty ostensible white supremacists, and really don’t mind working with Mexicans, Asians or Native Americans if they have to.

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