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It is said that insurance claims for damage due to BLM/Antifa riots is in the $1 to $2 billion range.

But the total cost could be much vaster. How much decline in property values did the Black Lives Matter riots and subsequent increase in murders (gun murders were up 31% in 2020 over 2019) and carjackings cause?

This is a difficult empirical question to answer for multiple reasons. First, everything is in motion for multiple reasons. Interest rates, for example, were cut very low in 2020, which drives up home prices.

Also, the pandemic hurt urban real estate, because with a virus around, public transportation is less of an amenity and a house in the suburbs is preferable to an elevator apartment building downtown.

And there’s the conceptual question: if a self-destructive policy hurts urbanites, does it also help suburbanites?

Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate, so, say, a 1% decline to the current increase in crime would cost $330 billion. Or it could be, say, that the urban half of the population has lost 2% and the less urban half has gained 2%.

 
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  1. It’s not a zero-sum game, except in the sense that the total valuation can (in theory) approach zero, as it does in Central Africa.

    One region doesn’t gain value just because the region next door is destroyed. Or, at least, not in a one to one ratio or anything close.

    Also, it’s worth remembering that the “sophisticated” part of the urban class would like nothing more than to be victimized by their heroes.

    Here’s where I’ll let Whiskey take over the narrative, because I don’t want to get into sexual references.

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @HammerJack

    No, they're content for other whites to be victimized and to move out.

    Lebensraum

    , @Tiny Duck
    @HammerJack

    The department of homeland security is priortiizing white supremacist domestic terrorists

    AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scard

    republicans are losing

    democrats are winning

    white privilege is being taught in schools

    the NBA is popular

    diversity is being celebrated by everybody

    white women are giving birth to Children of Colour

    incels are getting criticized

    conservative politics are gettign rejected

    Dang it feels good to be progressive!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ron Mexico

  2. Having your new neighbors put up BLM signs means it wasn’t worth the extra money for the suburbs and rural areas.

    • Agree: Charon, Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Redneck farmer

    Nothing quite like someone living in a 98% (European + Asian) neighborhood with a BLM sign on their front lawn. My neighborhood has a few of those.

    High black crime rates have always depressed property values in black neighborhoods. Blacks are surprisingly more likely to own homes than their average net worth would suggest, but most of those homes are in high crime areas, so they aren't worth that much.

    Blacks complain about gentrification destroying black neighborhoods, but gentrification is one thing that probably manages to transfer a fair amount of wealth to blacks. Crime rates go down, whites feel safe enough to move in, and blacks cash out and move on. If violent crime rates stay high then gentrification slows, and you may end up with fewer blacks moving into white suburbs with "good schools."

    The whole irony of the last election is that Trump's first three years saw a larger increase in black employment rates and incomes than we've seen in decades. Then the Black Lives Splatter riots gave us the greatest increase in black murder rates that we've seen in decades.

    And which did blacks vote for - Trump, or the Democrats pushing Black Lives Splatter?

    Replies: @donut, @Desiderius

    , @Jack D
    @Redneck farmer

    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have - they are not the kind of folks who litter or don't pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @AnotherDad

    , @JimB
    @Redneck farmer


    Having your new neighbors put up BLM signs means it wasn’t worth the extra money for the suburbs and rural areas.
     
    When BLM lawn signs began popping up around my neighborhood last summer, I took up chewing tobacco.
    , @Bill Jones
    @Redneck farmer

    The value of living in rural small town America is not measured in dollars. Having half a dozen NYC shysters, parasites and grifters raise property prices by 5 % is more than offset by their presence.

  3. Backing BLM means your never having to say your sorry!

    • LOL: Old and Grumpy
  4. • Replies: @Ed
    @PiltdownMan

    WaPo allows some dumb minorities to post in their “Perspectives” section.

    , @Redman
    @PiltdownMan

    It’s funny, because black native Americans are a dying breed in MLB. Vast majority of blacks come from the DR or other Caribbean locales.

    Was that more racism? There have been such suggestions from some players like Gary Sheffield and Tory Hunter over the years. But at least Gary and Tory are allowed racial pride.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    , @Paperback Writer
    @PiltdownMan


    So much so that when he was lured out of retirement in 1910 as the Great White Hope to wrest the championship back from Jack Johnson, the first Black man allowed to challenge for the title, the cameras filming their fight stopped rolling — on purpose, by order — in the 15th round as Johnson leveled Jeffries to the ground.
     
    Before the fight, Jeffries had retired. He was fat, out of shape, and lost 80 pounds and most of his endurance & strength. It was no surprise he lost to a younger, fitter, man.

    The country, it was decided before the match, wasn’t prepared to see such a blow to the racial order.
     
    You know something, there's a blow to the racial order that I would just love to see. I'd love to see blacks outstripping whites in intellectual achievement. Really. Why would I not? Think of how life would be improved if suddenly this happened. But you know something... I'm not holding my breath.

    Replies: @Ari silver

    , @Pop Warner
    @PiltdownMan

    I am so glad I stopped watching Around the Horn around a decade ago. I don't think I could stand Blackistone's whining about race since Trayvon, which I guarantee he's engaged in as much as possible. Though his brand of blood libel and racial hatred is now standard issue at ESPN, or else why would Jemele Hill ever have a platform?

    I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face: boycott all jewish industries. This includes mainstream media and professional sports. These are industries run by rapacious antiwhites who fleece the White working man while shoving blatant hatred into that same White working man's face. At this point, if you're White and give them a dime, you're funding your own dispossession and disenfranchisement. Younger cord-cutters are getting the picture on cable TV (albeit for reasons other than the racial hatred of these channels), but I wish boomers would understand that everybody on Talmudvision hates them and would gladly see them and their children murdered if it satisfies their neoliberal cult. If White boomers stopped watching TV and stopped watching sports those industries would crash.

    , @William Badwhite
    @PiltdownMan

    Blackistone is their designated "Black Black Blackedy Black" sportswriter. He has no other topics or interests other than black grievance.

    Jerry Brewer mostly writes about sports, but sometimes treads on Blackistone's turf.

    Sally Jenkins is their lecturing, humorless shrew writer, Tom Boswell is the morally superior boomer writer.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

  5. Next will they put up OBLM signs? O as in Only. Because these folks get crazy when anyone says that all lives matter, or it is okay to be born to a certain ethnic group that is responsible for most of the world’s achievements. Worship that other ethnicity or else…

  6. If the total cost of BLM riots to society is $330 billion, wouldn’t it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home? Of course, that might not be enough, as a pair of looted sneakers is probably worth more than $100. And you’d have to assume rational economic behavior.

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @PiltdownMan

    You have to assume rational any kind of behavior.

    , @Known Fact
    @PiltdownMan

    The government -- I should say the US taxpayer -- is already paying quite a few people to stay home, but it doesn't seem to be working all that well.

    I do like your idea, although instead of cops handing out hundreds I'd have a police helicopter drop the money. Even ones and fives fluttering down toward the mob would create an engagingly kinetic spectacle (and help jump-start the economy!)

    , @Rob McX
    @PiltdownMan

    But then thousands of blacks would be stomped to death in the stampede for $100 bills - victims of white oppression whose deaths would start another round of rioting, and so on into an endless loop of mayhem.

    , @CorkyAgain
    @PiltdownMan


    [...] wouldn’t it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home?
     
    They'd be back the next day, demanding another $100, and again the day after that, ad infinitum.
    , @Uncle Dan
    @PiltdownMan

    They’re in it for the fun, not the money. Weren’t you ever a little boy?

  7. Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate…

    Perfect, and the US National Debt (without counting possibly 10x more in unfunded obligations) is $27 and a half trillion. This is easy. After 4 more years, we will still be where Americans can just all give their houses* to the US Gov’t, and we can pay that whole thing off. Easy, peasy!

    Unlike with farmland or other productive assets, the value of this residential real estate is pretty speculative (what the guy is willing to pay). It’s location, location, location until you get down to what the wood, concrete, and fixtures cost (can get even lower than that, I guess…) You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we’re in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit!

    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened. Can one sue for that?

    .

    * HOMES, I’m so sorry, new to real estate…

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Zillow is a wildly inaccurate data source to rely on. About as reliable is cheap Chinese fireworks.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Wilkey
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we’re in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit
     
    Is this a bubble, or is this straight up inflation, spurred in part by immigration-induced population growth?

    Part of me would like to believe it’s a bubble, since we have no plans of selling our home soon anyway. But I think we may have reached a new floor on home values. Especially since, however our government manages to dig itself out of its debt hole, at least some part of the solution (or all of it) involves a lot of inflation.

    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened
     
    .

    Pretty much like Canada or Australia or New Zealand, but a lot richer and with far less crime.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman


    That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit!
     
    During housing bubble 1.0 the local tax assessor was very quick to reassess property values upward thus increasing so called property taxes. When the bubble popped they never reassessed downwards.

    I can honestly say that I have seen Foard and Hardeman counties (Texas) reduce property values on farmland in the last few years. It's nice to see the tax bill go down.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  8. @PiltdownMan
    OT:


    From the Washington Post:

    Babe Ruth’s record was a mythical monument of White superiority. Hank Aaron tore it down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/24/hank-aaron-babe-ruth-record/
     

    Replies: @Ed, @Redman, @Paperback Writer, @Pop Warner, @William Badwhite

    WaPo allows some dumb minorities to post in their “Perspectives” section.

  9. If you are a renter, you benefit in some ways by driving property values down. You may end up with a badly maintained apartment and there are down the road costs like crime, bad schools, lack of public amenities, hostile policing, but your rent is less and you won’t be priced out of your neighborhood.

    • Agree: Travis
  10. >it is said that
    Totally unacceptable for two reasons: your rabbit pal Harvey isn’t a source for the lyingpress nor for you, and the story on insurance after the Democrat riots up to now was that insurance agencies refused to pay for riot damage.
    That said, obviously to anyone who doesn’t get their news from CNN, there was enormous damage.

  11. anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s extremely early in the game to determine the real fallout from the summer of George.

    With defunding the police and electing non-prosecuting DAs, we could end up with the cities fully reverting to their 70s-80s condition of overwhelming crime and blight. The SWPL paradises of the past 20 years are probably on their way out, to be replaced by a bunch of copies of Cleveland or Camden.

    A couple of years ago it was funny to say that Chicago was like Portland attached to Detroit. Well now Chicago will be Detroit attached to Detroit, and Portland will be Detroit too.

    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer, while the cities that survived the 70s-90s crime era the best, Seattle, Portland, and Minneapolis, fell the farthest. Nature finds its level.

    When we look back in 15 years, the total cost in real estate losses might be in the Trillions.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @anonymous


    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer...
     
    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn't going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.

    The answer to the question in the headline is that I don't know and I don't care. These libtards voted for their spineless governors and mayors, so they got what they voted for good and hard. F**k them and the horse they rod in on.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Reg Cæsar

  12. @PiltdownMan
    OT:


    From the Washington Post:

    Babe Ruth’s record was a mythical monument of White superiority. Hank Aaron tore it down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/24/hank-aaron-babe-ruth-record/
     

    Replies: @Ed, @Redman, @Paperback Writer, @Pop Warner, @William Badwhite

    It’s funny, because black native Americans are a dying breed in MLB. Vast majority of blacks come from the DR or other Caribbean locales.

    Was that more racism? There have been such suggestions from some players like Gary Sheffield and Tory Hunter over the years. But at least Gary and Tory are allowed racial pride.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @Redman

    Yeah, Gary Sheffield - six kids by five different women.
    How much time has he spent with each one of his kids playing catch in the backyard?

    Why aren’t there more African Americans in MLB?
    Absent father means no intro to baseball means no MLB son.

    Simple as that.

  13. In the US, the period 5/25/20 to 12/31/20 had 41% more gun murders and 47% more criminal gun injuries than in the same period a year before. Comparing the first part of both those years, gun murders were already up 16% in 2020, which would have been an historic high increase if maintained.

    Other views of the post Floyd antics, Brooklyn went from 36 to 100 murders. Minneapolis 470% increase in criminal gun injuries but only a 92% increase in gun murder. Block party shootings increase by 71% with per-event kill and injury ratios both increasing.

  14. This post bothers me more the more I read it. I see no reason to think in terms of an unmeasurable national impact, least of all given the concern of the ruling caste. Rather, I feel either nothing or schadenfreude at the diminution of Minneapolis, but Minneapolitans probably feel a great deal more.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @J.Ross


    I feel either nothing or schadenfreude at the diminution of Minneapolis
     
    I feel a sad hilarity, that the cucks and cowards of America watched what happened to us in Detriot and just turned away in smug sanctimony thinking it would never happen to them.

    I will laugh as they’re all burned, robbed, and raped out of their cities like NYC, LA, Chicongo, and especially Seattle, MSP, Portland, and Frisco. In 50 years perhaps they’ll reach my state of mind..

    And Trump pardoned Kwame!!!
  15. Better if they start shooting themselves somewhere else. If they only shoot themselves in the foot they can use the other foot to drag themselves out of the city and foul the nest wherever they end up.

  16. @PiltdownMan
    If the total cost of BLM riots to society is $330 billion, wouldn't it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home? Of course, that might not be enough, as a pair of looted sneakers is probably worth more than $100. And you'd have to assume rational economic behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Known Fact, @Rob McX, @CorkyAgain, @Uncle Dan

    You have to assume rational any kind of behavior.

  17. Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate, so, say, a 1% decline to the current increase in crime would cost $330 billion.

    I don’t need to say this but it wouldn’t “cost”, it would “change the number used for statistics” (and the spending habits of the people owning said property as that number is adjusted). No money is going anywhere.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman

    Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate...
     
    Perfect, and the US National Debt (without counting possibly 10x more in unfunded obligations) is $27 and a half trillion. This is easy. After 4 more years, we will still be where Americans can just all give their houses* to the US Gov't, and we can pay that whole thing off. Easy, peasy!

    Unlike with farmland or other productive assets, the value of this residential real estate is pretty speculative (what the guy is willing to pay). It's location, location, location until you get down to what the wood, concrete, and fixtures cost (can get even lower than that, I guess...) You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we're in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn't help my property tax bill one bit!


    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened. Can one sue for that?


    .

    * HOMES, I'm so sorry, new to real estate...

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Wilkey, @Adam Smith

    Zillow is a wildly inaccurate data source to rely on. About as reliable is cheap Chinese fireworks.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I'm studying a specific neighborhood, Mr. Lassiter. In '10 through '15 or so, I'd noticed the wildly optimistic sellers, or just people hoping to sucker someone, who were starting out high and easing down quite a ways before they sold their houses. This was quite entertaining to me, and I liked that feature of Zillow.* It's changed a lot since then, especially over the last 3 years. I can see what the houses sell for.

    I know that the price for my house shows high, as I know some problems with it. However, on a relative basis, I think the estimates there tell me pretty well how things are going. I'm not saying high is good, BTW. For years, I didn't give a dang about it. That housing bubble 1.0, subsequent crash, and this new one, is just interesting to me in the same way that school admission scores and what-have-you are interesting to our host here.

    So far, we've had good luck with the fireworks. How do you know if Chinese Q/A does their job with these things, as the evidence is always blown up? No, if you think you have one more green ball coming from that Roman Candle, do not go looking down the tube! BTW, I thought those are the only consumer items that have been Chinese made for forever.

    .

    * That's another feature that they f**ked up too. It used to be easier to see and do lots of stuff on that site, but IT people gotta eat, I guess.

  19. Nit picking time again:

    “Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate, so, say, a 1% decline to the current increase in crime would cost $330 billion.”

    S/B: Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate, so, say, a 1% decline [attributable] to the current increase in crime would cost $330 billion.

  20. I have been saying since 2014 that the loss of black property owner equity in areas near mostly peaceful protests has to be enormous and the media is apparently completely uninterested in investigating and/or quantifying this.

    The reality is the left loves the spectacle of rioting and protest more than it cares about the economic welfare of its pet demographic. Most upper middle class white progressives live far from the areas getting destroyed and feel virtuous by putting up yard signs and posting on social media. The more conniving goodwhite understands that there will be some bargains in real estate to be had and will snap up property for redevelopment/displacement.

    Black political elites understand this perfectly well, but they want to get their piece of the action regardless of what it costs ordinary blacks. This is similar to the role of the black church, which basically gives black hustlers a path to political power and/or middle upper class income without ever delivering anything other than rhetoric to the congregation.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Nico
    @Arclight


    [T]he loss of black property owner equity in areas near mostly peaceful protests has to be enormous and the media is apparently completely uninterested in investigating and/or quantifying this.
     
    With blacks voting >90% Democratic and constituting 13% of the population but accounting for 50% of the violent crimes, not to mention an out-of-wedlock rate nearing 80%, I can honestly say I don't give a damn about their sort.

    I do feel bad for the 10 to 20% of black Americans who are genuinely decent and productive citizens that their reputation unfairly precedes them but 1) in terms of policy on a scale of 10s to 100s of millions of people I see no valid reason for the exceptions to define the rules, and 2) it is also true that a large majority of those decent blacks including most black conservatives is still in complete denial as to the real nature of their coethnics. This is an important reason why their capacity to act as levain on such questions remains very limited.

  21. Sellers? Were they backing BLM?

    Buyers made out great.

  22. @HammerJack
    It's not a zero-sum game, except in the sense that the total valuation can (in theory) approach zero, as it does in Central Africa.

    One region doesn't gain value just because the region next door is destroyed. Or, at least, not in a one to one ratio or anything close.


    Also, it's worth remembering that the "sophisticated" part of the urban class would like nothing more than to be victimized by their heroes.

    Here's where I'll let Whiskey take over the narrative, because I don't want to get into sexual references.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Tiny Duck

    No, they’re content for other whites to be victimized and to move out.

    Lebensraum

  23. It’s hard to disentangle the damage done by BLM from the damage done by COVID-19 (unless you read iSteve!). The latter will get most of the blame, of course.

    White women with purple hair and “problem” glasses (easily 50% of BLM) will always live in urban hipster Green Zones, so there’s probably not gonna be much impact on housing prices in those areas.

  24. Blacks get cheaper housing, by driving out the whites and making it less profitable to gentrify an area. Those in the exurbs saw their property values soar thanks to increased white flight away from the urban areas.

    Corporate workplace trends, such as working-from-home, have also energized the suburban housing markets. Another trend supporting suburban growth is the aging of the Millennials – who are are finding suburban living and schools more appealing than living in urban areas.

    Sales of existing homes soared 25% in July from June, according to the National Association of Realtors. That’s the strongest monthly gain in the history of the survey, going back to 1968. Total year-end sales volume ended at 5.64 million units, the highest level since 2006 and far stronger than predicted before the riots and pandemic. Buyers were driven by a desire for suburban homes away from urban areas. Closed sales of existing homes in December increased 22% from 2019 to a seasonally adjusted annualized rate of 6.76 million units

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Travis

    The Cliff’s Notes version:

    White Flight nationwide

  25. I have been saying since 2014 that the loss of black property owner equity in areas near mostly peaceful protests has to be enormous and the media is apparently completely uninterested in investigating and/or quantifying this.

    That is a fascinating thought. It should be pretty easy to calculate, too.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @TomSchmidt

    I would think using Zillow or something like that would help approximate just how much the rioting in 2014 and this past summer squashed property values in the affected areas. Surely some conservative think tank has the resources to look into this.

    Obviously part of the reluctance of the media/political class is they don't want to paint the riots in a bad light, because they felt they were a morally just reaction to social conditions. Secondarily, admitting that the behavior of people in a community has a material effect on why some places are high value and others are low is opening a can of worms about a sainted class of citizens that our betters would prefer remains shut.

    Replies: @Abe

  26. If Tacoma, Seattle and Portland are any indication, the damage totals are far from final, even though Trump is gone so happy days allegedly are here again

  27. @TomSchmidt

    I have been saying since 2014 that the loss of black property owner equity in areas near mostly peaceful protests has to be enormous and the media is apparently completely uninterested in investigating and/or quantifying this.
     
    That is a fascinating thought. It should be pretty easy to calculate, too.

    Replies: @Arclight

    I would think using Zillow or something like that would help approximate just how much the rioting in 2014 and this past summer squashed property values in the affected areas. Surely some conservative think tank has the resources to look into this.

    Obviously part of the reluctance of the media/political class is they don’t want to paint the riots in a bad light, because they felt they were a morally just reaction to social conditions. Secondarily, admitting that the behavior of people in a community has a material effect on why some places are high value and others are low is opening a can of worms about a sainted class of citizens that our betters would prefer remains shut.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Arclight


    I would think using Zillow or something like that would help approximate just how much the rioting in 2014 and this past summer squashed property values in the affected areas. Surely some conservative think tank has the resources to look into this
     
    I took a look at this just now using a few sample listings. As I remembered, having looked up this very thing right after BLM 1.0, property values in Ferguson, MO took a hit, dropping by about 20-30% in 2014, bottomed out in 2016, then actually experienced a big rise in the last couple of years. What was done to the residents of Ferguson (an almost 50-50% integrated black/white working class neighborhood) by the elites was vile and I’m glad property values have more than recovered but the extent of that rise tells me more than anything we could be in another housing bubble.

    On a related note, I recently found out that 20% of the houses in my upper middle class subdivision are owned by absentee Chinese landlords. I don’t have time to do a MAGNUM PI style unravelling of all this, but the range of Chinese ownership varies from Brewster & Beckie Han 3rd generation American-as-apple pie Chinese Americans investing their capital in the real estate market to CPC apparatchiks laundering money oversees and several shades in between. For example, a Chinese family we are friendly with and where mom & dad don’t have particularly lucrative or dazzling careers claim to own several (I think they said over 10!) houses. Another thing I have seen is Chinese caretaker ‘ancients’ ensconced in houses that look way too expensive for them. For example, a house I drive by regularly has a 1000 year old-looking Chinese man in ratty sweats living there. The house if maintained and updated is worth $3/4 of a million, but the lawn out front is dead AND YET I see 1000 year old man out front at least once a week pathetically trying to water it- with water drawn from INSIDE the house in a used milk jug! It’s as if he was planted in this house to oversee it by its rich overseas owner yet not given enough pocket change (or vehicular mobility) to buy a stupid lawn hose and spray nozzle at Walmart! My best guess is therefore he is some poor country cousin relation of the real owner, likely an overseas CPC muckety-muck with significant business holdings expatriating his wealth to America, then through a network of loose family and client-patron connections installing cheap caretakers at each of his properties to maintain them until such time as it is optimal to sell or rent them out. Steve years ago already pointed out the common practice of overseas Chinese installing 16 year old relations in their California condos so that they have enough time at CA high schools to then claim in-state tuition benefits for UCLA/BERKELEY. As America keeps degenerating, both Chinese ownership and flouting of such paper technicalities as who is “American” and who is foreign-Chinese and who can get in-state tuition and who can vote will only increase.

    On the plus side, increasing Chinese stake in America will certainly add some much needed “adult in the room” supervision over our ridiculous elites. As more Chinese property gets torched and devalued after BLM 3 and 4, I’m sure our Chinese money men overlords will have a word or two with our nominal rulers about the condition of their mental health. Hopefully I live to see the mandatory classes they will have to take in order to be allowed the privilege of overseeing Chinese interest in America:

    * TO KILL “TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD”: 31 WAYS OF COPING WITH THE NEXT POLICE-BLACK MAN SHOOTING AND 45 REASONS YOU ARE NOT ATTICUS FINCH
    * JEWISH FRAGILITY AND 58 WAYS OF OVERCOMING IT: WHY EVERY NACHT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE KRISTALLNACHT

    Replies: @Eric Novak

  28. @PiltdownMan
    If the total cost of BLM riots to society is $330 billion, wouldn't it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home? Of course, that might not be enough, as a pair of looted sneakers is probably worth more than $100. And you'd have to assume rational economic behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Known Fact, @Rob McX, @CorkyAgain, @Uncle Dan

    The government — I should say the US taxpayer — is already paying quite a few people to stay home, but it doesn’t seem to be working all that well.

    I do like your idea, although instead of cops handing out hundreds I’d have a police helicopter drop the money. Even ones and fives fluttering down toward the mob would create an engagingly kinetic spectacle (and help jump-start the economy!)

  29. I can introduce you to a feckless relation of mine who owns property in Seattle which is now worth considerably less than it was two years ago. I can’t stand talking to her on the phone due to all the sidelong excuses she makes for this mess.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    It will go back up when the Asians officially take over.

    Black markets always exact a premium.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Art Deco

    Normally I don't get involved in other people's family arguments but in this case, good for her, the dumb bitch.

    , @Alden
    @Art Deco

    We have so much in common. Where does she live, Capitol Hill near the abandoned police station? A niece and her husband belong to BLM and Sawant’s socialist alternative. Her parents are sooo proud of them. My relative calls me and harangues me about my racism.

    It’s fine for a black to shoot and kill a White but a homeless person living in his car on her street or unleashed dog is red alert.

    She says downtown is empty and will soon go back to skid row. But it’s all Amazon’s fault for leaving town.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  30. Looking at Portland OR real estate it sure seems like a lot of houses have dropped in value significantly since 2017. Not all mind you but a lot of them. Is this Antifa related? I see the Portland real estate hucksters are putting a brave face on it all (“the market is hot!”) but I’m skeptical. If Antifa has driven prices down this might be the first time on record that mobs of huwhites have tanked home values.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Bragadocious

    Looking at Portland OR real estate it sure seems like a lot of houses have dropped in value significantly since 2017. Not all mind you but a lot of them. Is this Antifa related?

    Or it might just be that prices had reached unsustainably high levels.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Bragadocious


    “the market is hot!”
     
    Lots of selling can make a "hot" market ...

    ... for the agents.

    For the owners, not so much.
  31. @Redneck farmer
    Having your new neighbors put up BLM signs means it wasn't worth the extra money for the suburbs and rural areas.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jack D, @JimB, @Bill Jones

    Nothing quite like someone living in a 98% (European + Asian) neighborhood with a BLM sign on their front lawn. My neighborhood has a few of those.

    High black crime rates have always depressed property values in black neighborhoods. Blacks are surprisingly more likely to own homes than their average net worth would suggest, but most of those homes are in high crime areas, so they aren’t worth that much.

    Blacks complain about gentrification destroying black neighborhoods, but gentrification is one thing that probably manages to transfer a fair amount of wealth to blacks. Crime rates go down, whites feel safe enough to move in, and blacks cash out and move on. If violent crime rates stay high then gentrification slows, and you may end up with fewer blacks moving into white suburbs with “good schools.”

    The whole irony of the last election is that Trump’s first three years saw a larger increase in black employment rates and incomes than we’ve seen in decades. Then the Black Lives Splatter riots gave us the greatest increase in black murder rates that we’ve seen in decades.

    And which did blacks vote for – Trump, or the Democrats pushing Black Lives Splatter?

    • Replies: @donut
    @Wilkey

    "Nothing quite like someone living in a 98% (European + Asian) neighborhood with a BLM sign on their front lawn. My neighborhood has a few of those." Mine too , although my apartment complex has gone from 99% white to majority black and immigrant with section 8s thrown in in the past 4 years .

    , @Desiderius
    @Wilkey

    Zuckbucks bought a lot of black votes, but more also voted for Trump than any R since Eisenhower.

    Blacks are more talented than whites at sussing out who the strong horse (to some extent they have to be) is and that was never Trump.

  32. @HammerJack
    It's not a zero-sum game, except in the sense that the total valuation can (in theory) approach zero, as it does in Central Africa.

    One region doesn't gain value just because the region next door is destroyed. Or, at least, not in a one to one ratio or anything close.


    Also, it's worth remembering that the "sophisticated" part of the urban class would like nothing more than to be victimized by their heroes.

    Here's where I'll let Whiskey take over the narrative, because I don't want to get into sexual references.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Tiny Duck

    The department of homeland security is priortiizing white supremacist domestic terrorists

    AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scard

    republicans are losing

    democrats are winning

    white privilege is being taught in schools

    the NBA is popular

    diversity is being celebrated by everybody

    white women are giving birth to Children of Colour

    incels are getting criticized

    conservative politics are gettign rejected

    Dang it feels good to be progressive!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck

    Mount Duckmore:




    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2135/4423/products/RDUSHIS_large.jpg?v=1546549285

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Tiny Duck

    "the NBA is popular" your only statement that can be fact checked and that would only hold true in China.

  33. Haven’t heard of ANY City of Chicago layoffs, property tax reductions, budget reductions but I am willing to guess virtually ALL politicians here will be reelected because Chicago voters are too STUPID to defend their rights, their house, their economic interests.

    How do I know this? The gun controllers regularly run a non-binding referendum on banning normal capacity firearm magazines and it ALWAYS wins.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Joe Stalin

    Perhaps, but like most Dem machine cities, elections there are always frauded even if they don't need to be. The have to keep in practice for the nationals, you know.

  34. @Wilkey
    @Redneck farmer

    Nothing quite like someone living in a 98% (European + Asian) neighborhood with a BLM sign on their front lawn. My neighborhood has a few of those.

    High black crime rates have always depressed property values in black neighborhoods. Blacks are surprisingly more likely to own homes than their average net worth would suggest, but most of those homes are in high crime areas, so they aren't worth that much.

    Blacks complain about gentrification destroying black neighborhoods, but gentrification is one thing that probably manages to transfer a fair amount of wealth to blacks. Crime rates go down, whites feel safe enough to move in, and blacks cash out and move on. If violent crime rates stay high then gentrification slows, and you may end up with fewer blacks moving into white suburbs with "good schools."

    The whole irony of the last election is that Trump's first three years saw a larger increase in black employment rates and incomes than we've seen in decades. Then the Black Lives Splatter riots gave us the greatest increase in black murder rates that we've seen in decades.

    And which did blacks vote for - Trump, or the Democrats pushing Black Lives Splatter?

    Replies: @donut, @Desiderius

    “Nothing quite like someone living in a 98% (European + Asian) neighborhood with a BLM sign on their front lawn. My neighborhood has a few of those.” Mine too , although my apartment complex has gone from 99% white to majority black and immigrant with section 8s thrown in in the past 4 years .

  35. When there was increasing crime in the sixties, people moved out to the suburbs in droves and then did long commutes into work every day. I’ve never seen a price tag attached to all the hours of driving, all the extra gas bought, and the extra car depreciation but it must be huge. If the peak oil theory is correct, some day the average person won’t be able to afford the gas. If middle class whites can no longer escape the crime caused by the inner city black underclass it may finally turn many of them conservative. Most of the white liberals I know don’t actually live around blacks so it is easy for them to say blacks aren’t a problem.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Mark G.

    Triple A estimates 80 percent of car expenses are for commuting to work. If your kids go to public school you spend more on the car than on a child.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  36. @Art Deco
    I can introduce you to a feckless relation of mine who owns property in Seattle which is now worth considerably less than it was two years ago. I can't stand talking to her on the phone due to all the sidelong excuses she makes for this mess.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer, @Alden

    It will go back up when the Asians officially take over.

    Black markets always exact a premium.

  37. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:

    Black gangs terrorizing NYC’s Chinatown. That was just about unheard of until… now.

    With the NYPD completely demoralized, and fearful of dealing with black people, if you ain’t black, you best avoid Manhattan. If something goes wrong, nobody will help you. I lived in NYC in the ’70’s, and I’ve never seen it this crazy.

  38. How much decline in property values did the Black Lives Matter riots

    Good question. I’ve wondered that about the riots on Monument Avenue in Charlottesville. I’ve read that the homes in that area are gorgeous. What’s going on with that now? What do the homeowners in the area think about their homes becoming a BLM symbol? I don’t know anything about Charlottesville. Some relatives worked at the Observatory in the 60s. That’s the extent of my knowledge.

  39. @Art Deco
    I can introduce you to a feckless relation of mine who owns property in Seattle which is now worth considerably less than it was two years ago. I can't stand talking to her on the phone due to all the sidelong excuses she makes for this mess.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer, @Alden

    Normally I don’t get involved in other people’s family arguments but in this case, good for her, the dumb bitch.

  40. @PiltdownMan
    OT:


    From the Washington Post:

    Babe Ruth’s record was a mythical monument of White superiority. Hank Aaron tore it down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/24/hank-aaron-babe-ruth-record/
     

    Replies: @Ed, @Redman, @Paperback Writer, @Pop Warner, @William Badwhite

    So much so that when he was lured out of retirement in 1910 as the Great White Hope to wrest the championship back from Jack Johnson, the first Black man allowed to challenge for the title, the cameras filming their fight stopped rolling — on purpose, by order — in the 15th round as Johnson leveled Jeffries to the ground.

    Before the fight, Jeffries had retired. He was fat, out of shape, and lost 80 pounds and most of his endurance & strength. It was no surprise he lost to a younger, fitter, man.

    The country, it was decided before the match, wasn’t prepared to see such a blow to the racial order.

    You know something, there’s a blow to the racial order that I would just love to see. I’d love to see blacks outstripping whites in intellectual achievement. Really. Why would I not? Think of how life would be improved if suddenly this happened. But you know something… I’m not holding my breath.

    • Replies: @Ari silver
    @Paperback Writer

    How dumb, the white man should rule only then will there be justice.

  41. @Wilkey
    @Redneck farmer

    Nothing quite like someone living in a 98% (European + Asian) neighborhood with a BLM sign on their front lawn. My neighborhood has a few of those.

    High black crime rates have always depressed property values in black neighborhoods. Blacks are surprisingly more likely to own homes than their average net worth would suggest, but most of those homes are in high crime areas, so they aren't worth that much.

    Blacks complain about gentrification destroying black neighborhoods, but gentrification is one thing that probably manages to transfer a fair amount of wealth to blacks. Crime rates go down, whites feel safe enough to move in, and blacks cash out and move on. If violent crime rates stay high then gentrification slows, and you may end up with fewer blacks moving into white suburbs with "good schools."

    The whole irony of the last election is that Trump's first three years saw a larger increase in black employment rates and incomes than we've seen in decades. Then the Black Lives Splatter riots gave us the greatest increase in black murder rates that we've seen in decades.

    And which did blacks vote for - Trump, or the Democrats pushing Black Lives Splatter?

    Replies: @donut, @Desiderius

    Zuckbucks bought a lot of black votes, but more also voted for Trump than any R since Eisenhower.

    Blacks are more talented than whites at sussing out who the strong horse (to some extent they have to be) is and that was never Trump.

  42. @PiltdownMan
    OT:


    From the Washington Post:

    Babe Ruth’s record was a mythical monument of White superiority. Hank Aaron tore it down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/24/hank-aaron-babe-ruth-record/
     

    Replies: @Ed, @Redman, @Paperback Writer, @Pop Warner, @William Badwhite

    I am so glad I stopped watching Around the Horn around a decade ago. I don’t think I could stand Blackistone’s whining about race since Trayvon, which I guarantee he’s engaged in as much as possible. Though his brand of blood libel and racial hatred is now standard issue at ESPN, or else why would Jemele Hill ever have a platform?

    I’ll keep saying it until I’m blue in the face: boycott all jewish industries. This includes mainstream media and professional sports. These are industries run by rapacious antiwhites who fleece the White working man while shoving blatant hatred into that same White working man’s face. At this point, if you’re White and give them a dime, you’re funding your own dispossession and disenfranchisement. Younger cord-cutters are getting the picture on cable TV (albeit for reasons other than the racial hatred of these channels), but I wish boomers would understand that everybody on Talmudvision hates them and would gladly see them and their children murdered if it satisfies their neoliberal cult. If White boomers stopped watching TV and stopped watching sports those industries would crash.

    • Agree: BenKenobi, 216
  43. @Arclight
    @TomSchmidt

    I would think using Zillow or something like that would help approximate just how much the rioting in 2014 and this past summer squashed property values in the affected areas. Surely some conservative think tank has the resources to look into this.

    Obviously part of the reluctance of the media/political class is they don't want to paint the riots in a bad light, because they felt they were a morally just reaction to social conditions. Secondarily, admitting that the behavior of people in a community has a material effect on why some places are high value and others are low is opening a can of worms about a sainted class of citizens that our betters would prefer remains shut.

    Replies: @Abe

    I would think using Zillow or something like that would help approximate just how much the rioting in 2014 and this past summer squashed property values in the affected areas. Surely some conservative think tank has the resources to look into this

    I took a look at this just now using a few sample listings. As I remembered, having looked up this very thing right after BLM 1.0, property values in Ferguson, MO took a hit, dropping by about 20-30% in 2014, bottomed out in 2016, then actually experienced a big rise in the last couple of years. What was done to the residents of Ferguson (an almost 50-50% integrated black/white working class neighborhood) by the elites was vile and I’m glad property values have more than recovered but the extent of that rise tells me more than anything we could be in another housing bubble.

    On a related note, I recently found out that 20% of the houses in my upper middle class subdivision are owned by absentee Chinese landlords. I don’t have time to do a MAGNUM PI style unravelling of all this, but the range of Chinese ownership varies from Brewster & Beckie Han 3rd generation American-as-apple pie Chinese Americans investing their capital in the real estate market to CPC apparatchiks laundering money oversees and several shades in between. For example, a Chinese family we are friendly with and where mom & dad don’t have particularly lucrative or dazzling careers claim to own several (I think they said over 10!) houses. Another thing I have seen is Chinese caretaker ‘ancients’ ensconced in houses that look way too expensive for them. For example, a house I drive by regularly has a 1000 year old-looking Chinese man in ratty sweats living there. The house if maintained and updated is worth $3/4 of a million, but the lawn out front is dead AND YET I see 1000 year old man out front at least once a week pathetically trying to water it- with water drawn from INSIDE the house in a used milk jug! It’s as if he was planted in this house to oversee it by its rich overseas owner yet not given enough pocket change (or vehicular mobility) to buy a stupid lawn hose and spray nozzle at Walmart! My best guess is therefore he is some poor country cousin relation of the real owner, likely an overseas CPC muckety-muck with significant business holdings expatriating his wealth to America, then through a network of loose family and client-patron connections installing cheap caretakers at each of his properties to maintain them until such time as it is optimal to sell or rent them out. Steve years ago already pointed out the common practice of overseas Chinese installing 16 year old relations in their California condos so that they have enough time at CA high schools to then claim in-state tuition benefits for UCLA/BERKELEY. As America keeps degenerating, both Chinese ownership and flouting of such paper technicalities as who is “American” and who is foreign-Chinese and who can get in-state tuition and who can vote will only increase.

    On the plus side, increasing Chinese stake in America will certainly add some much needed “adult in the room” supervision over our ridiculous elites. As more Chinese property gets torched and devalued after BLM 3 and 4, I’m sure our Chinese money men overlords will have a word or two with our nominal rulers about the condition of their mental health. Hopefully I live to see the mandatory classes they will have to take in order to be allowed the privilege of overseeing Chinese interest in America:

    * TO KILL “TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD”: 31 WAYS OF COPING WITH THE NEXT POLICE-BLACK MAN SHOOTING AND 45 REASONS YOU ARE NOT ATTICUS FINCH
    * JEWISH FRAGILITY AND 58 WAYS OF OVERCOMING IT: WHY EVERY NACHT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE KRISTALLNACHT

    • Thanks: Marty, Rob McX, Arclight
    • LOL: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Abe

    Native Californian Michael Anton in his 2020 tour-de-force invective against the woke left and cuckservative right, The Stakes: America at the Point of No Return, quotes a California real estate stat that 25% of California homes are paid for in cash. These buyers are almost certainly all Chinese.

    Replies: @Ed, @Ed

  44. @Redneck farmer
    Having your new neighbors put up BLM signs means it wasn't worth the extra money for the suburbs and rural areas.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jack D, @JimB, @Bill Jones

    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have – they are not the kind of folks who litter or don’t pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Other than the voting

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have – they are not the kind of folks who litter or don’t pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.
     
    I think you're talking past us here, Jack. Naturally SWPLs are tidy and conscientious by nature (if for no other reason that they like nice things for themselves) - but I don't think the objection is to them as individuals so much as their collective impact upon wherever they live.

    Where they've moved in our shared City of origin, they've changed neighborhoods in ways not so welcome by the long term residents. Naturally they haven't done the kind of damage others have done in the past, but their political and social preferences have had negative impacts upon the extant communities that they have invaded. I don't consider them rooted inhabitants of any such existing neighborhood - if you're not participating in the various christenings/holidays/funerals and existing institutions, can you really be said to be a part of that community? I rather think that they're more like invaders terraforming existing communities in order to be palatable to their kind and to squeeze out the long term residents.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Jack D

    Agree totally.

    In places like, say, Bryn Mawr, you'll see the BLM and virtue signaling signs, but nary a numinous one in the neighborhood. Real estate prices, and taxes, are too damned high.

    You move to Bryn Mawr to AVOID living with the consequences of your ideology.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.
     
    Kind of the way a cancer cell is no bother to have around.
  45. @Jack D
    @Redneck farmer

    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have - they are not the kind of folks who litter or don't pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @AnotherDad

    Other than the voting

  46. Steve, I think you were on to the idea that some of this might be some very cynical, very rich people seeing the opportunity for “churning” in housing on 20-30 year cycles. In the 70s-90s, you stood to make money if you owned raw land in areas collaring cities which could be turned into tract housing for people fleeing the urban centers. Then, from the early 2000s to about summer 2020, you could stand to make money by sprucing up dense housing in urban centers which you previously scooped up for a song. Perhaps the #BLM/Anti-carceral movements were funded by people who (again, cynically) see vast amounts of money to be made by repeating this cycle? It’s more difficult to make this kind of money without these mass changes in how people want to live . . .

    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    "the idea that some of this might be some very cynical, very rich people seeing the opportunity for “churning” in housing on 20-30 year cycles."

    It would be comforting if our "thought leaders" were cleverly scheming instead of stark raving mad.

    But I am afraid our "thought leaders" are indeed mad, or at least not following the plot.

    Suppose it takes 15 years for crime to peak (i.e. 1975-1990) and then 25 more years after that for crime to get low again (i.e. 1990 to 2015). Our cultural leaders don't seem to have a 40 year time horizon. They don't seem to have a 6 month time horizon.

    They are currently stunned and bewildered that crime went up at all, if they have even realized it yet.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/06/953254623/massive-1-year-rise-in-homicide-rates-collided-with-the-pandemic-in-2020

    They are blaming the pandemic because people staying at home obviously causes crime. Like how homicides are always high on snow days, right?

    Not understanding the plot is very, very expensive. Is Sailer's blog the most important real estate site on the Internet?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  47. @PiltdownMan
    OT:


    From the Washington Post:

    Babe Ruth’s record was a mythical monument of White superiority. Hank Aaron tore it down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/24/hank-aaron-babe-ruth-record/
     

    Replies: @Ed, @Redman, @Paperback Writer, @Pop Warner, @William Badwhite

    Blackistone is their designated “Black Black Blackedy Black” sportswriter. He has no other topics or interests other than black grievance.

    Jerry Brewer mostly writes about sports, but sometimes treads on Blackistone’s turf.

    Sally Jenkins is their lecturing, humorless shrew writer, Tom Boswell is the morally superior boomer writer.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @William Badwhite

    All of them WashPost sportswriters, btw.

  48. @Jack D
    @Redneck farmer

    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have - they are not the kind of folks who litter or don't pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @AnotherDad

    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have – they are not the kind of folks who litter or don’t pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    I think you’re talking past us here, Jack. Naturally SWPLs are tidy and conscientious by nature (if for no other reason that they like nice things for themselves) – but I don’t think the objection is to them as individuals so much as their collective impact upon wherever they live.

    Where they’ve moved in our shared City of origin, they’ve changed neighborhoods in ways not so welcome by the long term residents. Naturally they haven’t done the kind of damage others have done in the past, but their political and social preferences have had negative impacts upon the extant communities that they have invaded. I don’t consider them rooted inhabitants of any such existing neighborhood – if you’re not participating in the various christenings/holidays/funerals and existing institutions, can you really be said to be a part of that community? I rather think that they’re more like invaders terraforming existing communities in order to be palatable to their kind and to squeeze out the long term residents.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    if you’re not participating in the various christenings/holidays/funerals
     
    That type of community was (mostly) long gone before gentrification. The Italians of S. Philly lasted longer than most, but most ethnic neighborhoods were shattered by blacks decades ago and the Italians lured away to South Jersey where you could have a yard and a garage and you didn't have to worry about your house and your car getting broken into by the melanzans. Sure grandma might still live in the old neighborhood if she is still alive and you go back there on Sunday but c'mon it's the 21st century, who wants to live in a 12' wide row house where your living room looks directly out onto the street.

    Part of the reason the Italians lasted longer is that they did not allow block breaking. The first black family to move onto a block might suffer an unfortunate fire when they were not home. Nowadays the Goodwhite invaders are the best thing that could ever happen to you - house that were worth $20,000 a couple of decades ago are now worth 10 or 20x that amount.

  49. What is interesting is how many of New Yorks tallest buildings have been completed in the last few years. These are the buildings 1000 or more feet tall.

    Freedom Tower 1776 feet, completed 2014

    Nordstrom Tower 1550 feet completed 2020

    Steinway Tower 1428 feet completed 2021

    One Vanderbilt Ave 1401 feet completed 2020

    432 Park Ave 1396 feet completed 2015

    West 33rd st. 1270 feet completed 2019

    Empire State 1250 feet completed 1931

    1101 Sixth Ave 1200 feet completed 2009

    175 Greenwich 1079 feet completed 2018

    53 West 53rd 1050 feet completed 2019

    Chrysler Bldg 1046 feet completed 1930

    620 Eighth Av. 1046feet completed 2007

    435 Tenth Av. 1041 feet completed 2021

    50 Hudson Yards 1009 feet completed 2022

    One57 West 1004 feet completed 2014

    I suspect that the newer buildings never sold all their apartments or leased their commercial space before the bottom fell out of Manhattan real estate. They are sitting on some staggering losses.

  50. @PiltdownMan
    If the total cost of BLM riots to society is $330 billion, wouldn't it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home? Of course, that might not be enough, as a pair of looted sneakers is probably worth more than $100. And you'd have to assume rational economic behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Known Fact, @Rob McX, @CorkyAgain, @Uncle Dan

    But then thousands of blacks would be stomped to death in the stampede for $100 bills – victims of white oppression whose deaths would start another round of rioting, and so on into an endless loop of mayhem.

  51. In my north Seattle neighborhood we were spared the BLM riots, but have a rising tide of homeless, mentally ill vagabonds, and litter in our parks and near our homes.
    They are still building $1M+ mac-mansions on my street, housing prices are going up, and all my neighbors seem unconcerned, but the look and feel of a ghetto is increasing only one block away in the parks.
    The rising home prices here are a big disconnect to me and I don’t understand. No amount of propaganda will save a neighborhood’s home values if buyers come shopping and see a very visible homeless ghetto next door.

  52. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    Steve, I think you were on to the idea that some of this might be some very cynical, very rich people seeing the opportunity for "churning" in housing on 20-30 year cycles. In the 70s-90s, you stood to make money if you owned raw land in areas collaring cities which could be turned into tract housing for people fleeing the urban centers. Then, from the early 2000s to about summer 2020, you could stand to make money by sprucing up dense housing in urban centers which you previously scooped up for a song. Perhaps the #BLM/Anti-carceral movements were funded by people who (again, cynically) see vast amounts of money to be made by repeating this cycle? It's more difficult to make this kind of money without these mass changes in how people want to live . . .

    Replies: @DanHessinMD

    “the idea that some of this might be some very cynical, very rich people seeing the opportunity for “churning” in housing on 20-30 year cycles.”

    It would be comforting if our “thought leaders” were cleverly scheming instead of stark raving mad.

    But I am afraid our “thought leaders” are indeed mad, or at least not following the plot.

    Suppose it takes 15 years for crime to peak (i.e. 1975-1990) and then 25 more years after that for crime to get low again (i.e. 1990 to 2015). Our cultural leaders don’t seem to have a 40 year time horizon. They don’t seem to have a 6 month time horizon.

    They are currently stunned and bewildered that crime went up at all, if they have even realized it yet.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/06/953254623/massive-1-year-rise-in-homicide-rates-collided-with-the-pandemic-in-2020

    They are blaming the pandemic because people staying at home obviously causes crime. Like how homicides are always high on snow days, right?

    Not understanding the plot is very, very expensive. Is Sailer’s blog the most important real estate site on the Internet?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @DanHessinMD

    I get what you're writing here but I think the elephant in the room of U.S. politics for 40+ years now has been urban (largely black) crime and social pathology, and how people of various economic classes deal with it. It may not always be text, but it's subtext and is involved in nearly everything in American politics.

    You might say "we need to return to tough on crime policies to stem the tide of rising violent crime;" someone on the left will go past the text and go right to the subtext and respond "so you want to lock up black men in your white supremacist system." I think the self-regarded "nice suburban white lady" support for things like BLM arises from a sense of cognitive dissonance - they've fled to an overwhelmingly white suburb on the socially acceptable pretext of "good schools." At some level, they must know that "good schools" exist in places where underclass blacks are excluded. So out of a sense of shame for the difference between what they know to be the case and how they want to be perceived, they'll fly the BLM Jolly Roger and post nonsense to Faceberg in order to disguise their true motivations and signal support for things contrary to their manner of living. This is why the "check your privilege" struggle sessions are so useful and effective against nice white ladies - they know deep down that they're guilty of the political crimes of which they've been accused. They can't quite reject the authority of their inquisitors to define political crimes, and lack the fortitude to say "I reserve the right to define the my interests and the interests of my family and being free from violent crime is a prime interest to me and my family." (Notice that saying such a thing in colloquial language is often perceived as a marker of low status for whites). Support for BLM is on other ways however a "peacocking" countersignal for status conscious whites - "I'm so high status that black crime doesn't concern me - I really don't ever notice it! Oh, you do? Isn't that a bit . . . raaacist? Have you interrogated your whiteness? Do you even know about Jim Crow? Oh, the caucasity of it!"

    All of which is to say that the people with Billions of Dollars and all of the power just might know what's really going on, and just might have a plan . . .

    Replies: @Anonymous

  53. @Achmed E. Newman

    Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate...
     
    Perfect, and the US National Debt (without counting possibly 10x more in unfunded obligations) is $27 and a half trillion. This is easy. After 4 more years, we will still be where Americans can just all give their houses* to the US Gov't, and we can pay that whole thing off. Easy, peasy!

    Unlike with farmland or other productive assets, the value of this residential real estate is pretty speculative (what the guy is willing to pay). It's location, location, location until you get down to what the wood, concrete, and fixtures cost (can get even lower than that, I guess...) You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we're in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn't help my property tax bill one bit!


    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened. Can one sue for that?


    .

    * HOMES, I'm so sorry, new to real estate...

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Wilkey, @Adam Smith

    You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we’re in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit

    Is this a bubble, or is this straight up inflation, spurred in part by immigration-induced population growth?

    Part of me would like to believe it’s a bubble, since we have no plans of selling our home soon anyway. But I think we may have reached a new floor on home values. Especially since, however our government manages to dig itself out of its debt hole, at least some part of the solution (or all of it) involves a lot of inflation.

    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened

    .

    Pretty much like Canada or Australia or New Zealand, but a lot richer and with far less crime.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Wilkey


    Is this a bubble, or is this straight up inflation, spurred in part by immigration-induced population growth?

    Part of me would like to believe it’s a bubble, since we have no plans of selling our home soon anyway. But I think we may have reached a new floor on home values. Especially since, however our government manages to dig itself out of its debt hole, at least some part of the solution (or all of it) involves a lot of inflation.
     
    It's a bubble regardless of other drivers of demand when increase in the prices of housing eclipse any real growth in wages. Housing becomes a greater and greater slice of income, until it's maxed out and the prices can't be sustained anymore.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Wilkey

    Wilkey, I agree that some of it is just your straight-up inflation, which, from lots of estimates of mine, is running more like 4-5% annually rather than that under 2% the BLS spits out.

    That would indeed be 50% in a decade, leaving compounding out for the time being, but the prices in Seattle, San Fran, etc. have gone up way more than that. There's a site called Seattlebubble on which the owner, "The Tim" has put up these great interactive graphs* that show the Case Schiller index for 20 US cities. That index shows rises and declines all as indexed to the median prices in these cities in the year 2000.

    I'm gonna put some of my screen shots of his graphs on my site this week, as it's been a long while.

    .

    * used to be monthly, but the guy got slack, probably working on his yard and getting moss off the roof. He bought his house almost 10 years back, as I recall, after things had bottomed out.

  54. @Tiny Duck
    @HammerJack

    The department of homeland security is priortiizing white supremacist domestic terrorists

    AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scard

    republicans are losing

    democrats are winning

    white privilege is being taught in schools

    the NBA is popular

    diversity is being celebrated by everybody

    white women are giving birth to Children of Colour

    incels are getting criticized

    conservative politics are gettign rejected

    Dang it feels good to be progressive!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ron Mexico

    Mount Duckmore:

  55. @DanHessinMD
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    "the idea that some of this might be some very cynical, very rich people seeing the opportunity for “churning” in housing on 20-30 year cycles."

    It would be comforting if our "thought leaders" were cleverly scheming instead of stark raving mad.

    But I am afraid our "thought leaders" are indeed mad, or at least not following the plot.

    Suppose it takes 15 years for crime to peak (i.e. 1975-1990) and then 25 more years after that for crime to get low again (i.e. 1990 to 2015). Our cultural leaders don't seem to have a 40 year time horizon. They don't seem to have a 6 month time horizon.

    They are currently stunned and bewildered that crime went up at all, if they have even realized it yet.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/01/06/953254623/massive-1-year-rise-in-homicide-rates-collided-with-the-pandemic-in-2020

    They are blaming the pandemic because people staying at home obviously causes crime. Like how homicides are always high on snow days, right?

    Not understanding the plot is very, very expensive. Is Sailer's blog the most important real estate site on the Internet?

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I get what you’re writing here but I think the elephant in the room of U.S. politics for 40+ years now has been urban (largely black) crime and social pathology, and how people of various economic classes deal with it. It may not always be text, but it’s subtext and is involved in nearly everything in American politics.

    You might say “we need to return to tough on crime policies to stem the tide of rising violent crime;” someone on the left will go past the text and go right to the subtext and respond “so you want to lock up black men in your white supremacist system.” I think the self-regarded “nice suburban white lady” support for things like BLM arises from a sense of cognitive dissonance – they’ve fled to an overwhelmingly white suburb on the socially acceptable pretext of “good schools.” At some level, they must know that “good schools” exist in places where underclass blacks are excluded. So out of a sense of shame for the difference between what they know to be the case and how they want to be perceived, they’ll fly the BLM Jolly Roger and post nonsense to Faceberg in order to disguise their true motivations and signal support for things contrary to their manner of living. This is why the “check your privilege” struggle sessions are so useful and effective against nice white ladies – they know deep down that they’re guilty of the political crimes of which they’ve been accused. They can’t quite reject the authority of their inquisitors to define political crimes, and lack the fortitude to say “I reserve the right to define the my interests and the interests of my family and being free from violent crime is a prime interest to me and my family.” (Notice that saying such a thing in colloquial language is often perceived as a marker of low status for whites). Support for BLM is on other ways however a “peacocking” countersignal for status conscious whites – “I’m so high status that black crime doesn’t concern me – I really don’t ever notice it! Oh, you do? Isn’t that a bit . . . raaacist? Have you interrogated your whiteness? Do you even know about Jim Crow? Oh, the caucasity of it!”

    All of which is to say that the people with Billions of Dollars and all of the power just might know what’s really going on, and just might have a plan . . .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    It's no longer socially acceptable to despise people for being poor, but it is acceptable to despise them for being 'racist'--even though in practice it amounts to the same thing.

  56. @PiltdownMan
    If the total cost of BLM riots to society is $330 billion, wouldn't it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home? Of course, that might not be enough, as a pair of looted sneakers is probably worth more than $100. And you'd have to assume rational economic behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Known Fact, @Rob McX, @CorkyAgain, @Uncle Dan

    […] wouldn’t it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home?

    They’d be back the next day, demanding another $100, and again the day after that, ad infinitum.

  57. How much decline in property values did the Black Lives Matter riots and subsequent increase in murders (gun murders were up 31% in 2020 over 2019) and carjackings cause?

    Nowhere near enough. And it’s grossly misplaced.

    Note how Mayor Lightfoot didn’t get worried until they hit her favorite shops.

  58. @Wilkey
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we’re in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit
     
    Is this a bubble, or is this straight up inflation, spurred in part by immigration-induced population growth?

    Part of me would like to believe it’s a bubble, since we have no plans of selling our home soon anyway. But I think we may have reached a new floor on home values. Especially since, however our government manages to dig itself out of its debt hole, at least some part of the solution (or all of it) involves a lot of inflation.

    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened
     
    .

    Pretty much like Canada or Australia or New Zealand, but a lot richer and with far less crime.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Achmed E. Newman

    Is this a bubble, or is this straight up inflation, spurred in part by immigration-induced population growth?

    Part of me would like to believe it’s a bubble, since we have no plans of selling our home soon anyway. But I think we may have reached a new floor on home values. Especially since, however our government manages to dig itself out of its debt hole, at least some part of the solution (or all of it) involves a lot of inflation.

    It’s a bubble regardless of other drivers of demand when increase in the prices of housing eclipse any real growth in wages. Housing becomes a greater and greater slice of income, until it’s maxed out and the prices can’t be sustained anymore.

  59. @Bragadocious
    Looking at Portland OR real estate it sure seems like a lot of houses have dropped in value significantly since 2017. Not all mind you but a lot of them. Is this Antifa related? I see the Portland real estate hucksters are putting a brave face on it all ("the market is hot!") but I'm skeptical. If Antifa has driven prices down this might be the first time on record that mobs of huwhites have tanked home values.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Almost Missouri

    Looking at Portland OR real estate it sure seems like a lot of houses have dropped in value significantly since 2017. Not all mind you but a lot of them. Is this Antifa related?

    Or it might just be that prices had reached unsustainably high levels.

  60. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Zillow is a wildly inaccurate data source to rely on. About as reliable is cheap Chinese fireworks.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m studying a specific neighborhood, Mr. Lassiter. In ’10 through ’15 or so, I’d noticed the wildly optimistic sellers, or just people hoping to sucker someone, who were starting out high and easing down quite a ways before they sold their houses. This was quite entertaining to me, and I liked that feature of Zillow.* It’s changed a lot since then, especially over the last 3 years. I can see what the houses sell for.

    I know that the price for my house shows high, as I know some problems with it. However, on a relative basis, I think the estimates there tell me pretty well how things are going. I’m not saying high is good, BTW. For years, I didn’t give a dang about it. That housing bubble 1.0, subsequent crash, and this new one, is just interesting to me in the same way that school admission scores and what-have-you are interesting to our host here.

    So far, we’ve had good luck with the fireworks. How do you know if Chinese Q/A does their job with these things, as the evidence is always blown up? No, if you think you have one more green ball coming from that Roman Candle, do not go looking down the tube! BTW, I thought those are the only consumer items that have been Chinese made for forever.

    .

    * That’s another feature that they f**ked up too. It used to be easier to see and do lots of stuff on that site, but IT people gotta eat, I guess.

  61. We’ll find out the cost when the US finds itself at war with China—or prudently backing down.

  62. @Wilkey
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we’re in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit
     
    Is this a bubble, or is this straight up inflation, spurred in part by immigration-induced population growth?

    Part of me would like to believe it’s a bubble, since we have no plans of selling our home soon anyway. But I think we may have reached a new floor on home values. Especially since, however our government manages to dig itself out of its debt hole, at least some part of the solution (or all of it) involves a lot of inflation.

    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened
     
    .

    Pretty much like Canada or Australia or New Zealand, but a lot richer and with far less crime.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Achmed E. Newman

    Wilkey, I agree that some of it is just your straight-up inflation, which, from lots of estimates of mine, is running more like 4-5% annually rather than that under 2% the BLS spits out.

    That would indeed be 50% in a decade, leaving compounding out for the time being, but the prices in Seattle, San Fran, etc. have gone up way more than that. There’s a site called Seattlebubble on which the owner, “The Tim” has put up these great interactive graphs* that show the Case Schiller index for 20 US cities. That index shows rises and declines all as indexed to the median prices in these cities in the year 2000.

    I’m gonna put some of my screen shots of his graphs on my site this week, as it’s been a long while.

    .

    * used to be monthly, but the guy got slack, probably working on his yard and getting moss off the roof. He bought his house almost 10 years back, as I recall, after things had bottomed out.

  63. @PiltdownMan
    If the total cost of BLM riots to society is $330 billion, wouldn't it save everyone a lot of money if the cops handed out $100 bills to the several tens of thousands of protestors, paying them to simply go home? Of course, that might not be enough, as a pair of looted sneakers is probably worth more than $100. And you'd have to assume rational economic behavior.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Known Fact, @Rob McX, @CorkyAgain, @Uncle Dan

    They’re in it for the fun, not the money. Weren’t you ever a little boy?

  64. @Achmed E. Newman

    Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate...
     
    Perfect, and the US National Debt (without counting possibly 10x more in unfunded obligations) is $27 and a half trillion. This is easy. After 4 more years, we will still be where Americans can just all give their houses* to the US Gov't, and we can pay that whole thing off. Easy, peasy!

    Unlike with farmland or other productive assets, the value of this residential real estate is pretty speculative (what the guy is willing to pay). It's location, location, location until you get down to what the wood, concrete, and fixtures cost (can get even lower than that, I guess...) You have studied the Housing Bubble 1.0 more than most of us, Steve. I think we're in bubble 2.0 right now. That is especially the case on the West Coast, but in my area, nothing special, our place shows the highest it ever has on Zillow, up about 50% in the last decade. That doesn't help my property tax bill one bit!


    I wonder how much the country would be worth had the importation of Africans for slaves never happened. Can one sue for that?


    .

    * HOMES, I'm so sorry, new to real estate...

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Wilkey, @Adam Smith

    That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit!

    During housing bubble 1.0 the local tax assessor was very quick to reassess property values upward thus increasing so called property taxes. When the bubble popped they never reassessed downwards.

    I can honestly say that I have seen Foard and Hardeman counties (Texas) reduce property values on farmland in the last few years. It’s nice to see the tax bill go down.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    Yes, Adam it's nice to see any kind of tax go down without a raise somewhere else. They do that ratcheting thing on occasion where I live. Property tax is lowered via a raise in other taxes, and then property tax gets right back up where it was 5 years later, but that other one stays right on up there. You can fool a lot of the people pretty much all of the time...

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  65. Carjacking will cease as soon as the biden administation introduces community cars, which can be driven in the inner city on a first come first serve basis. Free gas too.

  66. The SF Bay Area is totally pro-BLM, but so far as I can tell, the only hit to local RE prices has come from virus-related, upped rental vacancies.

    To me, the increased amount of trash and graffiti make many of those places much less appealing locations to live.

  67. @Redneck farmer
    Having your new neighbors put up BLM signs means it wasn't worth the extra money for the suburbs and rural areas.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jack D, @JimB, @Bill Jones

    Having your new neighbors put up BLM signs means it wasn’t worth the extra money for the suburbs and rural areas.

    When BLM lawn signs began popping up around my neighborhood last summer, I took up chewing tobacco.

    • LOL: AnotherDad, Gabe Ruth
  68. @anonymous
    It's extremely early in the game to determine the real fallout from the summer of George.

    With defunding the police and electing non-prosecuting DAs, we could end up with the cities fully reverting to their 70s-80s condition of overwhelming crime and blight. The SWPL paradises of the past 20 years are probably on their way out, to be replaced by a bunch of copies of Cleveland or Camden.

    A couple of years ago it was funny to say that Chicago was like Portland attached to Detroit. Well now Chicago will be Detroit attached to Detroit, and Portland will be Detroit too.

    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer, while the cities that survived the 70s-90s crime era the best, Seattle, Portland, and Minneapolis, fell the farthest. Nature finds its level.

    When we look back in 15 years, the total cost in real estate losses might be in the Trillions.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer…

    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn’t going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.

    The answer to the question in the headline is that I don’t know and I don’t care. These libtards voted for their spineless governors and mayors, so they got what they voted for good and hard. F**k them and the horse they rod in on.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Jim Don Bob


    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn’t going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.
     
    Kym Worthy had more to do with it than Mayor Honkie. His sole function seems to be his skill in managing a bureaucracy chock full of Africans.

    The “protests” here were mainly in suburbs like Royal Oak and led by Ann Arbor professional activists. The AntiFa white kids wouldn’t have lasted long tearing up the city (not that there’s much left to loot or burn anyway).

    No worries though, everyone contributes in their own way. Detriot delivered the HBD Mitten to Uncle Joe and the Hindu Dindu.

    Just think, in only 50 short years, Seattle might be as peaceful as Detriot.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jim Don Bob



    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer…

     

    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn’t going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.
     
    The main reason Detroit had no trouble is that there is nothing left to loot, and the few houses still standing are being saved for Devil's Night.
  69. @J.Ross
    This post bothers me more the more I read it. I see no reason to think in terms of an unmeasurable national impact, least of all given the concern of the ruling caste. Rather, I feel either nothing or schadenfreude at the diminution of Minneapolis, but Minneapolitans probably feel a great deal more.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    I feel either nothing or schadenfreude at the diminution of Minneapolis

    I feel a sad hilarity, that the cucks and cowards of America watched what happened to us in Detriot and just turned away in smug sanctimony thinking it would never happen to them.

    I will laugh as they’re all burned, robbed, and raped out of their cities like NYC, LA, Chicongo, and especially Seattle, MSP, Portland, and Frisco. In 50 years perhaps they’ll reach my state of mind..

    And Trump pardoned Kwame!!!

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  70. @Travis
    Blacks get cheaper housing, by driving out the whites and making it less profitable to gentrify an area. Those in the exurbs saw their property values soar thanks to increased white flight away from the urban areas.

    Corporate workplace trends, such as working-from-home, have also energized the suburban housing markets. Another trend supporting suburban growth is the aging of the Millennials – who are are finding suburban living and schools more appealing than living in urban areas.

    Sales of existing homes soared 25% in July from June, according to the National Association of Realtors. That's the strongest monthly gain in the history of the survey, going back to 1968. Total year-end sales volume ended at 5.64 million units, the highest level since 2006 and far stronger than predicted before the riots and pandemic. Buyers were driven by a desire for suburban homes away from urban areas. Closed sales of existing homes in December increased 22% from 2019 to a seasonally adjusted annualized rate of 6.76 million units

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    The Cliff’s Notes version:

    White Flight nationwide

  71. @Arclight
    I have been saying since 2014 that the loss of black property owner equity in areas near mostly peaceful protests has to be enormous and the media is apparently completely uninterested in investigating and/or quantifying this.

    The reality is the left loves the spectacle of rioting and protest more than it cares about the economic welfare of its pet demographic. Most upper middle class white progressives live far from the areas getting destroyed and feel virtuous by putting up yard signs and posting on social media. The more conniving goodwhite understands that there will be some bargains in real estate to be had and will snap up property for redevelopment/displacement.

    Black political elites understand this perfectly well, but they want to get their piece of the action regardless of what it costs ordinary blacks. This is similar to the role of the black church, which basically gives black hustlers a path to political power and/or middle upper class income without ever delivering anything other than rhetoric to the congregation.

    Replies: @Nico

    [T]he loss of black property owner equity in areas near mostly peaceful protests has to be enormous and the media is apparently completely uninterested in investigating and/or quantifying this.

    With blacks voting >90% Democratic and constituting 13% of the population but accounting for 50% of the violent crimes, not to mention an out-of-wedlock rate nearing 80%, I can honestly say I don’t give a damn about their sort.

    I do feel bad for the 10 to 20% of black Americans who are genuinely decent and productive citizens that their reputation unfairly precedes them but 1) in terms of policy on a scale of 10s to 100s of millions of people I see no valid reason for the exceptions to define the rules, and 2) it is also true that a large majority of those decent blacks including most black conservatives is still in complete denial as to the real nature of their coethnics. This is an important reason why their capacity to act as levain on such questions remains very limited.

  72. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have – they are not the kind of folks who litter or don’t pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.
     
    I think you're talking past us here, Jack. Naturally SWPLs are tidy and conscientious by nature (if for no other reason that they like nice things for themselves) - but I don't think the objection is to them as individuals so much as their collective impact upon wherever they live.

    Where they've moved in our shared City of origin, they've changed neighborhoods in ways not so welcome by the long term residents. Naturally they haven't done the kind of damage others have done in the past, but their political and social preferences have had negative impacts upon the extant communities that they have invaded. I don't consider them rooted inhabitants of any such existing neighborhood - if you're not participating in the various christenings/holidays/funerals and existing institutions, can you really be said to be a part of that community? I rather think that they're more like invaders terraforming existing communities in order to be palatable to their kind and to squeeze out the long term residents.

    Replies: @Jack D

    if you’re not participating in the various christenings/holidays/funerals

    That type of community was (mostly) long gone before gentrification. The Italians of S. Philly lasted longer than most, but most ethnic neighborhoods were shattered by blacks decades ago and the Italians lured away to South Jersey where you could have a yard and a garage and you didn’t have to worry about your house and your car getting broken into by the melanzans. Sure grandma might still live in the old neighborhood if she is still alive and you go back there on Sunday but c’mon it’s the 21st century, who wants to live in a 12′ wide row house where your living room looks directly out onto the street.

    Part of the reason the Italians lasted longer is that they did not allow block breaking. The first black family to move onto a block might suffer an unfortunate fire when they were not home. Nowadays the Goodwhite invaders are the best thing that could ever happen to you – house that were worth $20,000 a couple of decades ago are now worth 10 or 20x that amount.

  73. @Redman
    @PiltdownMan

    It’s funny, because black native Americans are a dying breed in MLB. Vast majority of blacks come from the DR or other Caribbean locales.

    Was that more racism? There have been such suggestions from some players like Gary Sheffield and Tory Hunter over the years. But at least Gary and Tory are allowed racial pride.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe

    Yeah, Gary Sheffield – six kids by five different women.
    How much time has he spent with each one of his kids playing catch in the backyard?

    Why aren’t there more African Americans in MLB?
    Absent father means no intro to baseball means no MLB son.

    Simple as that.

  74. “Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate…”
    Wow. So that means that our rulers’ “stimulus” packages shall soon have flushed down the toilet more than 20% of the value of all the residential property in the US. They could instead have bought every negro in America its own residence, thereby flushing actual real estate down the toilet.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Macumazahn

    Ackshually, it means that now real estate will be "worth" 20% more because where else will all that extra currency go?

    Of course the actual value of the real estate is still the same, it's just that the measuring tape has been rescaled, again.

  75. The urbanites didn’t shoot themselves in the foot. They haven’t that much courage. What’s going on right, especially in urban areas, is the price of cowardice. A coward deserves not the shirt on his back. Total dispossession, enslavement and then extermination is the end game.

    • Agree: SimpleSong
  76. @Jack D
    @Redneck farmer

    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have - they are not the kind of folks who litter or don't pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @AnotherDad

    Agree totally.

    In places like, say, Bryn Mawr, you’ll see the BLM and virtue signaling signs, but nary a numinous one in the neighborhood. Real estate prices, and taxes, are too damned high.

    You move to Bryn Mawr to AVOID living with the consequences of your ideology.

  77. Steve, silly CivNat, Property Values are for kids!

    It was a brilliant move … by mayors and their machines.

    1. Get riots and arson and looting to push out businesses and businessmen. And civic minded upper middle class people.
    2. Generate vote banks via fraudulent voting and ballot harvesting for national and statewide candidates.
    3. Call in those favors with massive “save our cities” block grants with very little oversight.
    4. Spend all the money on connected people who kick back much of the money to various entities controlled by mayors and machines and incorporated in St. Kitts and Nevis, Vanuatu, the Bahamas, etc.
    5. Relax because all the people who might have demanded oversight and audits in your city are gone, replaced with far preferable homeless, drug addicts, criminals, illegals, etc.

    Biden is sending billions to San Francisco to house the homeless in hotels there. Now, what is the likelihood of one homeless person actually staying even one night in a hotel? And the probability of some firm connected to Mayor London Breed getting the bulk of the money, “conducting studies” and much of the money paid out to entities connected to Xir’s Honor and incorporated in the Caymans?

    Black Lives Matter was just brilliant, in a way to enable corruption on a massive scale. There is a reason every mayor in every city got on board. No Middle Class, no oversight, corruption ahoy like Bell a few years ago.

  78. @Jack D
    @Redneck farmer

    Not true. The people who put up BLM signs are mainly virtue signalling whites. They are usually not bad neighbors to have - they are not the kind of folks who litter or don't pick up after their dogs or have large families with ill behaved youths and no dad around to discipline them. Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia, @AnotherDad

    Other than the fact that their signs are annoying, they are really no bother to have around.

    Kind of the way a cancer cell is no bother to have around.

  79. @Paperback Writer
    @PiltdownMan


    So much so that when he was lured out of retirement in 1910 as the Great White Hope to wrest the championship back from Jack Johnson, the first Black man allowed to challenge for the title, the cameras filming their fight stopped rolling — on purpose, by order — in the 15th round as Johnson leveled Jeffries to the ground.
     
    Before the fight, Jeffries had retired. He was fat, out of shape, and lost 80 pounds and most of his endurance & strength. It was no surprise he lost to a younger, fitter, man.

    The country, it was decided before the match, wasn’t prepared to see such a blow to the racial order.
     
    You know something, there's a blow to the racial order that I would just love to see. I'd love to see blacks outstripping whites in intellectual achievement. Really. Why would I not? Think of how life would be improved if suddenly this happened. But you know something... I'm not holding my breath.

    Replies: @Ari silver

    How dumb, the white man should rule only then will there be justice.

  80. @Redneck farmer
    Having your new neighbors put up BLM signs means it wasn't worth the extra money for the suburbs and rural areas.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Jack D, @JimB, @Bill Jones

    The value of living in rural small town America is not measured in dollars. Having half a dozen NYC shysters, parasites and grifters raise property prices by 5 % is more than offset by their presence.

    • Agree: JMcG
  81. ‘Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate, so, say, a 1% decline to the current increase in crime would cost $330 billion. Or it could be, say, that the urban half of the population has lost 2% and the less urban half has gained 2%.’

    Going by what’s happened here, the less urban half has gained.

    Here in Cite du Loggeur, Oregon, property values — at least for your upscale, not-for-deplorables housing — have just about doubled in the last two years.

    I bought my place for $187,500 two-plus years ago. Kim’s house across the street — which I would say was worth somewhat less than mine — just went for $330,000.

    Watching the sack of Rome from the fastnesses of the Apennines has been somewhat unnerving, but — so far at least — it’s made me feel like a real estate genius.

  82. @Jim Don Bob
    @anonymous


    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer...
     
    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn't going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.

    The answer to the question in the headline is that I don't know and I don't care. These libtards voted for their spineless governors and mayors, so they got what they voted for good and hard. F**k them and the horse they rod in on.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Reg Cæsar

    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn’t going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.

    Kym Worthy had more to do with it than Mayor Honkie. His sole function seems to be his skill in managing a bureaucracy chock full of Africans.

    The “protests” here were mainly in suburbs like Royal Oak and led by Ann Arbor professional activists. The AntiFa white kids wouldn’t have lasted long tearing up the city (not that there’s much left to loot or burn anyway).

    No worries though, everyone contributes in their own way. Detriot delivered the HBD Mitten to Uncle Joe and the Hindu Dindu.

    Just think, in only 50 short years, Seattle might be as peaceful as Detriot.

  83. @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman


    That doesn’t help my property tax bill one bit!
     
    During housing bubble 1.0 the local tax assessor was very quick to reassess property values upward thus increasing so called property taxes. When the bubble popped they never reassessed downwards.

    I can honestly say that I have seen Foard and Hardeman counties (Texas) reduce property values on farmland in the last few years. It's nice to see the tax bill go down.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, Adam it’s nice to see any kind of tax go down without a raise somewhere else. They do that ratcheting thing on occasion where I live. Property tax is lowered via a raise in other taxes, and then property tax gets right back up where it was 5 years later, but that other one stays right on up there. You can fool a lot of the people pretty much all of the time…

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The darn school taxes go up even when the schools are closed without end.

    Some districts even lock the gates to the athletic fields in order to prevent taxpayers from taking advantage of the situation (i.e. running around the deserted track).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  84. @Jim Don Bob
    @anonymous


    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer...
     
    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn't going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.

    The answer to the question in the headline is that I don't know and I don't care. These libtards voted for their spineless governors and mayors, so they got what they voted for good and hard. F**k them and the horse they rod in on.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Reg Cæsar

    Ironically Detroit itself had no riots and looting this summer…

    The main reason Detroit had no trouble was that the black police chief said early on he wasn’t going to put up with it and the mayor backed him.

    The main reason Detroit had no trouble is that there is nothing left to loot, and the few houses still standing are being saved for Devil’s Night.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
  85. The US government owes 27 trillion dollars. Have no fear, the US Government assets include 61.3% of the land area in Alaska, 46.4% of the land area in the 11 contiguous Western states. Sell it and the debt disappears.

    • Disagree: Abolish_public_education
    • Replies: @Piglet
    @scrivener3

    But sell to whom? And what would a potential buyer want with desert wasteland in Nevada or inaccessible wilderness in Alaska?

    , @Alden
    @scrivener3

    Sell it to whom? How much of the 46% in the west is Indian reservations? Pine Ridge sprawls across 2 states. The west is empty. I-80 is scary from about 50 miles east of Reno all the way to Omaha. Like the moon. And no other cars or highway patrols.

  86. @William Badwhite
    @PiltdownMan

    Blackistone is their designated "Black Black Blackedy Black" sportswriter. He has no other topics or interests other than black grievance.

    Jerry Brewer mostly writes about sports, but sometimes treads on Blackistone's turf.

    Sally Jenkins is their lecturing, humorless shrew writer, Tom Boswell is the morally superior boomer writer.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    All of them WashPost sportswriters, btw.

  87. @Art Deco
    I can introduce you to a feckless relation of mine who owns property in Seattle which is now worth considerably less than it was two years ago. I can't stand talking to her on the phone due to all the sidelong excuses she makes for this mess.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer, @Alden

    We have so much in common. Where does she live, Capitol Hill near the abandoned police station? A niece and her husband belong to BLM and Sawant’s socialist alternative. Her parents are sooo proud of them. My relative calls me and harangues me about my racism.

    It’s fine for a black to shoot and kill a White but a homeless person living in his car on her street or unleashed dog is red alert.

    She says downtown is empty and will soon go back to skid row. But it’s all Amazon’s fault for leaving town.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    She's never put a name on her neighborhood. I see some people refer to it as 'Maple Leaf'.

  88. It’s not just residential housing. It’s commercial property. Even Trans America, BofA building and Salesforce tower, California street all the financial district offices in San Francisco are empty. In Los Angeles even Supercuts and Fantastic Sam’s stores are closed and up for rent good luck with that.

  89. The increase in real estate values is no mystery at all. Price increases are being driven by historically low interest rates, making it cheaper to borrow more. Rates have been suppressed by the Federal Reserve with no regard to the inflationary effects that will ensue. During the Volker and Greenspan era’s, checking inflation was considered job one of the Fed. Bernanke changed that in 2009.

    Unfortunately, something has to give. There seems to be zero resistance to any fiscal restraint by our government, as massive deficit spending continues. So, eventually things will unravel. Long term, fundamentals always prevail. The currency will be harmed, rates will rise, then the bubble will burst.

    Biden will be blamed if it happens under his watch, which I’d bet on, that’s the way things work.

  90. @Mark G.
    When there was increasing crime in the sixties, people moved out to the suburbs in droves and then did long commutes into work every day. I've never seen a price tag attached to all the hours of driving, all the extra gas bought, and the extra car depreciation but it must be huge. If the peak oil theory is correct, some day the average person won't be able to afford the gas. If middle class whites can no longer escape the crime caused by the inner city black underclass it may finally turn many of them conservative. Most of the white liberals I know don't actually live around blacks so it is easy for them to say blacks aren't a problem.

    Replies: @Alden

    Triple A estimates 80 percent of car expenses are for commuting to work. If your kids go to public school you spend more on the car than on a child.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    Assume $1/mile.

    A 15,000 mi/yr driver, @80%, is spending $12K per year on car.

    On average, public schools charge taxpayers ~$19,000 per kid-yr.

    But I do agree that most non-poor parents send their kids to public school in order to free-up money for (conspicuous!) consumption.

    Replies: @Alden

  91. @Abe
    @Arclight


    I would think using Zillow or something like that would help approximate just how much the rioting in 2014 and this past summer squashed property values in the affected areas. Surely some conservative think tank has the resources to look into this
     
    I took a look at this just now using a few sample listings. As I remembered, having looked up this very thing right after BLM 1.0, property values in Ferguson, MO took a hit, dropping by about 20-30% in 2014, bottomed out in 2016, then actually experienced a big rise in the last couple of years. What was done to the residents of Ferguson (an almost 50-50% integrated black/white working class neighborhood) by the elites was vile and I’m glad property values have more than recovered but the extent of that rise tells me more than anything we could be in another housing bubble.

    On a related note, I recently found out that 20% of the houses in my upper middle class subdivision are owned by absentee Chinese landlords. I don’t have time to do a MAGNUM PI style unravelling of all this, but the range of Chinese ownership varies from Brewster & Beckie Han 3rd generation American-as-apple pie Chinese Americans investing their capital in the real estate market to CPC apparatchiks laundering money oversees and several shades in between. For example, a Chinese family we are friendly with and where mom & dad don’t have particularly lucrative or dazzling careers claim to own several (I think they said over 10!) houses. Another thing I have seen is Chinese caretaker ‘ancients’ ensconced in houses that look way too expensive for them. For example, a house I drive by regularly has a 1000 year old-looking Chinese man in ratty sweats living there. The house if maintained and updated is worth $3/4 of a million, but the lawn out front is dead AND YET I see 1000 year old man out front at least once a week pathetically trying to water it- with water drawn from INSIDE the house in a used milk jug! It’s as if he was planted in this house to oversee it by its rich overseas owner yet not given enough pocket change (or vehicular mobility) to buy a stupid lawn hose and spray nozzle at Walmart! My best guess is therefore he is some poor country cousin relation of the real owner, likely an overseas CPC muckety-muck with significant business holdings expatriating his wealth to America, then through a network of loose family and client-patron connections installing cheap caretakers at each of his properties to maintain them until such time as it is optimal to sell or rent them out. Steve years ago already pointed out the common practice of overseas Chinese installing 16 year old relations in their California condos so that they have enough time at CA high schools to then claim in-state tuition benefits for UCLA/BERKELEY. As America keeps degenerating, both Chinese ownership and flouting of such paper technicalities as who is “American” and who is foreign-Chinese and who can get in-state tuition and who can vote will only increase.

    On the plus side, increasing Chinese stake in America will certainly add some much needed “adult in the room” supervision over our ridiculous elites. As more Chinese property gets torched and devalued after BLM 3 and 4, I’m sure our Chinese money men overlords will have a word or two with our nominal rulers about the condition of their mental health. Hopefully I live to see the mandatory classes they will have to take in order to be allowed the privilege of overseeing Chinese interest in America:

    * TO KILL “TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD”: 31 WAYS OF COPING WITH THE NEXT POLICE-BLACK MAN SHOOTING AND 45 REASONS YOU ARE NOT ATTICUS FINCH
    * JEWISH FRAGILITY AND 58 WAYS OF OVERCOMING IT: WHY EVERY NACHT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE KRISTALLNACHT

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    Native Californian Michael Anton in his 2020 tour-de-force invective against the woke left and cuckservative right, The Stakes: America at the Point of No Return, quotes a California real estate stat that 25% of California homes are paid for in cash. These buyers are almost certainly all Chinese.

    • Agree: Alden, Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Ed
    @Eric Novak

    Just in time for Biden’s war on racism against Asians.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-racism-asian-americans-executive-action/



    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans, specifically targeting anti-Asian animus connected to the COVID-19 pandemic. This action is expected on Tuesday, multiple people familiar with the plan told CBS News.

    The directives, which may take the form of an executive order or a presidential memo, are expected to be part of a package of executive actions focusing on "equity," according to two people familiar with the plans. The other administrative actions are expected to focus on Tribal governments, fair housing, and private prisons. The Biden administration has told outside groups it is also preparing measures on voting rights.
     

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @Ed
    @Eric Novak

    Just in time for Biden’s war on racism against Asians.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-racism-asian-americans-executive-action/



    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans, specifically targeting anti-Asian animus connected to the COVID-19 pandemic. This action is expected on Tuesday, multiple people familiar with the plan told CBS News.

    The directives, which may take the form of an executive order or a presidential memo, are expected to be part of a package of executive actions focusing on "equity," according to two people familiar with the plans. The other administrative actions are expected to focus on Tribal governments, fair housing, and private prisons. The Biden administration has told outside groups it is also preparing measures on voting rights.
     

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden

  92. @Eric Novak
    @Abe

    Native Californian Michael Anton in his 2020 tour-de-force invective against the woke left and cuckservative right, The Stakes: America at the Point of No Return, quotes a California real estate stat that 25% of California homes are paid for in cash. These buyers are almost certainly all Chinese.

    Replies: @Ed, @Ed

    Just in time for Biden’s war on racism against Asians.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-racism-asian-americans-executive-action/

    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans, specifically targeting anti-Asian animus connected to the COVID-19 pandemic. This action is expected on Tuesday, multiple people familiar with the plan told CBS News.

    The directives, which may take the form of an executive order or a presidential memo, are expected to be part of a package of executive actions focusing on “equity,” according to two people familiar with the plans. The other administrative actions are expected to focus on Tribal governments, fair housing, and private prisons. The Biden administration has told outside groups it is also preparing measures on voting rights.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Ed

    POTUS following the CCP anti-American playbook!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGOki3FcqnI

  93. @Eric Novak
    @Abe

    Native Californian Michael Anton in his 2020 tour-de-force invective against the woke left and cuckservative right, The Stakes: America at the Point of No Return, quotes a California real estate stat that 25% of California homes are paid for in cash. These buyers are almost certainly all Chinese.

    Replies: @Ed, @Ed

    Just in time for Biden’s war on racism against Asians.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-racism-asian-americans-executive-action/

    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans, specifically targeting anti-Asian animus connected to the COVID-19 pandemic. This action is expected on Tuesday, multiple people familiar with the plan told CBS News.

    The directives, which may take the form of an executive order or a presidential memo, are expected to be part of a package of executive actions focusing on “equity,” according to two people familiar with the plans. The other administrative actions are expected to focus on Tribal governments, fair housing, and private prisons. The Biden administration has told outside groups it is also preparing measures on voting rights.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Ed


    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans
     
    The Jews trying to get into Stanford, MIT, Harvard etc are going to love that.
    , @Alden
    @Ed

    The Ute and other Tribes are talking to their attorneys about suing the feds for closing down the Keystone pipeline. All the Rezzes will get rent for the land the pipeline’s on, plus jobs maintaining it. So Biden takes away pipeline money and promises more rhetoric about the evil Whites who abused the Indians 300 years ago.

  94. @Ed
    @Eric Novak

    Just in time for Biden’s war on racism against Asians.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-racism-asian-americans-executive-action/



    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans, specifically targeting anti-Asian animus connected to the COVID-19 pandemic. This action is expected on Tuesday, multiple people familiar with the plan told CBS News.

    The directives, which may take the form of an executive order or a presidential memo, are expected to be part of a package of executive actions focusing on "equity," according to two people familiar with the plans. The other administrative actions are expected to focus on Tribal governments, fair housing, and private prisons. The Biden administration has told outside groups it is also preparing measures on voting rights.
     

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden

    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans

    The Jews trying to get into Stanford, MIT, Harvard etc are going to love that.

  95. @scrivener3
    The US government owes 27 trillion dollars. Have no fear, the US Government assets include 61.3% of the land area in Alaska, 46.4% of the land area in the 11 contiguous Western states. Sell it and the debt disappears.

    Replies: @Piglet, @Alden

    But sell to whom? And what would a potential buyer want with desert wasteland in Nevada or inaccessible wilderness in Alaska?

  96. @Tiny Duck
    @HammerJack

    The department of homeland security is priortiizing white supremacist domestic terrorists

    AOC is ripping it up and has republicans running scard

    republicans are losing

    democrats are winning

    white privilege is being taught in schools

    the NBA is popular

    diversity is being celebrated by everybody

    white women are giving birth to Children of Colour

    incels are getting criticized

    conservative politics are gettign rejected

    Dang it feels good to be progressive!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ron Mexico

    “the NBA is popular” your only statement that can be fact checked and that would only hold true in China.

  97. “They” don’t mind. It’s a sacrifice they are happy to pay, and to make everyone pay.
    If the entire UMC is on board, then the gain in (or maintenance of) social capital (network, social connections) and cultural capital (e.g., verbal facility, general cultural awareness, aesthetic preferences) nicely offsets the loss in economic capital.

  98. @Ed
    @Eric Novak

    Just in time for Biden’s war on racism against Asians.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-racism-asian-americans-executive-action/



    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans, specifically targeting anti-Asian animus connected to the COVID-19 pandemic. This action is expected on Tuesday, multiple people familiar with the plan told CBS News.

    The directives, which may take the form of an executive order or a presidential memo, are expected to be part of a package of executive actions focusing on "equity," according to two people familiar with the plans. The other administrative actions are expected to focus on Tribal governments, fair housing, and private prisons. The Biden administration has told outside groups it is also preparing measures on voting rights.
     

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    POTUS following the CCP anti-American playbook!

  99. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    Yes, Adam it's nice to see any kind of tax go down without a raise somewhere else. They do that ratcheting thing on occasion where I live. Property tax is lowered via a raise in other taxes, and then property tax gets right back up where it was 5 years later, but that other one stays right on up there. You can fool a lot of the people pretty much all of the time...

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    The darn school taxes go up even when the schools are closed without end.

    Some districts even lock the gates to the athletic fields in order to prevent taxpayers from taking advantage of the situation (i.e. running around the deserted track).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Abolish_public_education


    Some districts even lock the gates to the athletic fields in order to prevent taxpayers from taking advantage of the situation (i.e. running around the deserted track).
     
    Bingo! Been there, done that. It's a middle school.
  100. @Alden
    @Mark G.

    Triple A estimates 80 percent of car expenses are for commuting to work. If your kids go to public school you spend more on the car than on a child.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    Assume $1/mile.

    A 15,000 mi/yr driver, @80%, is spending $12K per year on car.

    On average, public schools charge taxpayers ~$19,000 per kid-yr.

    But I do agree that most non-poor parents send their kids to public school in order to free-up money for (conspicuous!) consumption.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Abolish_public_education

    Not conspicuous consumption mortgage property taxes utilities food clothes, kids do grow. Boys need a new wardrobe every 2 years till they’re about 16, girls till 12 or 13. Scouts non school sports, activities dance sports camp etc cost $130 Boy Scouts and soccer or little league depending on location.

    Did you know that on White applications colleges score more points for these expensive activities more than GPA or SATs? People with money spend more on kid’s enrichment activities than they spend on clothes toys video games electronics for the kids. Is it conspicuous consumption to give your kids all those things?

    Swimming lessons pay off. They can be junior life guards 8 or 12 hours a week at 15. But the parents have to drive them to and from the job. And they’re not competing with illegals for fast food jobs.

    Private school tuition 100 percent tax deductible
    10K a year deductible for each kid would make private school tuition possible for many.
    A return to strictly segregated schools for the black savages would be best so poor Whites would be safe.

  101. This piece seems to contradict Sailer’s premise.
    It’s been a profitable year for “urbanites”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/home-prices-soar-45-times-feds-inflation-target-all-us-cities

  102. @Abolish_public_education
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The darn school taxes go up even when the schools are closed without end.

    Some districts even lock the gates to the athletic fields in order to prevent taxpayers from taking advantage of the situation (i.e. running around the deserted track).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Some districts even lock the gates to the athletic fields in order to prevent taxpayers from taking advantage of the situation (i.e. running around the deserted track).

    Bingo! Been there, done that. It’s a middle school.

  103. @Bragadocious
    Looking at Portland OR real estate it sure seems like a lot of houses have dropped in value significantly since 2017. Not all mind you but a lot of them. Is this Antifa related? I see the Portland real estate hucksters are putting a brave face on it all ("the market is hot!") but I'm skeptical. If Antifa has driven prices down this might be the first time on record that mobs of huwhites have tanked home values.

    Replies: @prosa123, @Almost Missouri

    “the market is hot!”

    Lots of selling can make a “hot” market …

    … for the agents.

    For the owners, not so much.

  104. @Joe Stalin
    Haven't heard of ANY City of Chicago layoffs, property tax reductions, budget reductions but I am willing to guess virtually ALL politicians here will be reelected because Chicago voters are too STUPID to defend their rights, their house, their economic interests.

    How do I know this? The gun controllers regularly run a non-binding referendum on banning normal capacity firearm magazines and it ALWAYS wins.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Perhaps, but like most Dem machine cities, elections there are always frauded even if they don’t need to be. The have to keep in practice for the nationals, you know.

  105. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @DanHessinMD

    I get what you're writing here but I think the elephant in the room of U.S. politics for 40+ years now has been urban (largely black) crime and social pathology, and how people of various economic classes deal with it. It may not always be text, but it's subtext and is involved in nearly everything in American politics.

    You might say "we need to return to tough on crime policies to stem the tide of rising violent crime;" someone on the left will go past the text and go right to the subtext and respond "so you want to lock up black men in your white supremacist system." I think the self-regarded "nice suburban white lady" support for things like BLM arises from a sense of cognitive dissonance - they've fled to an overwhelmingly white suburb on the socially acceptable pretext of "good schools." At some level, they must know that "good schools" exist in places where underclass blacks are excluded. So out of a sense of shame for the difference between what they know to be the case and how they want to be perceived, they'll fly the BLM Jolly Roger and post nonsense to Faceberg in order to disguise their true motivations and signal support for things contrary to their manner of living. This is why the "check your privilege" struggle sessions are so useful and effective against nice white ladies - they know deep down that they're guilty of the political crimes of which they've been accused. They can't quite reject the authority of their inquisitors to define political crimes, and lack the fortitude to say "I reserve the right to define the my interests and the interests of my family and being free from violent crime is a prime interest to me and my family." (Notice that saying such a thing in colloquial language is often perceived as a marker of low status for whites). Support for BLM is on other ways however a "peacocking" countersignal for status conscious whites - "I'm so high status that black crime doesn't concern me - I really don't ever notice it! Oh, you do? Isn't that a bit . . . raaacist? Have you interrogated your whiteness? Do you even know about Jim Crow? Oh, the caucasity of it!"

    All of which is to say that the people with Billions of Dollars and all of the power just might know what's really going on, and just might have a plan . . .

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It’s no longer socially acceptable to despise people for being poor, but it is acceptable to despise them for being ‘racist’–even though in practice it amounts to the same thing.

  106. @Abolish_public_education
    @Alden

    Assume $1/mile.

    A 15,000 mi/yr driver, @80%, is spending $12K per year on car.

    On average, public schools charge taxpayers ~$19,000 per kid-yr.

    But I do agree that most non-poor parents send their kids to public school in order to free-up money for (conspicuous!) consumption.

    Replies: @Alden

    Not conspicuous consumption mortgage property taxes utilities food clothes, kids do grow. Boys need a new wardrobe every 2 years till they’re about 16, girls till 12 or 13. Scouts non school sports, activities dance sports camp etc cost $130 Boy Scouts and soccer or little league depending on location.

    Did you know that on White applications colleges score more points for these expensive activities more than GPA or SATs? People with money spend more on kid’s enrichment activities than they spend on clothes toys video games electronics for the kids. Is it conspicuous consumption to give your kids all those things?

    Swimming lessons pay off. They can be junior life guards 8 or 12 hours a week at 15. But the parents have to drive them to and from the job. And they’re not competing with illegals for fast food jobs.

    Private school tuition 100 percent tax deductible
    10K a year deductible for each kid would make private school tuition possible for many.
    A return to strictly segregated schools for the black savages would be best so poor Whites would be safe.

  107. @Ed
    @Eric Novak

    Just in time for Biden’s war on racism against Asians.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-racism-asian-americans-executive-action/



    President Biden is expected to use his executive authority this week to disavow racism and xenophobia toward Asian Americans, specifically targeting anti-Asian animus connected to the COVID-19 pandemic. This action is expected on Tuesday, multiple people familiar with the plan told CBS News.

    The directives, which may take the form of an executive order or a presidential memo, are expected to be part of a package of executive actions focusing on "equity," according to two people familiar with the plans. The other administrative actions are expected to focus on Tribal governments, fair housing, and private prisons. The Biden administration has told outside groups it is also preparing measures on voting rights.
     

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Alden

    The Ute and other Tribes are talking to their attorneys about suing the feds for closing down the Keystone pipeline. All the Rezzes will get rent for the land the pipeline’s on, plus jobs maintaining it. So Biden takes away pipeline money and promises more rhetoric about the evil Whites who abused the Indians 300 years ago.

  108. @scrivener3
    The US government owes 27 trillion dollars. Have no fear, the US Government assets include 61.3% of the land area in Alaska, 46.4% of the land area in the 11 contiguous Western states. Sell it and the debt disappears.

    Replies: @Piglet, @Alden

    Sell it to whom? How much of the 46% in the west is Indian reservations? Pine Ridge sprawls across 2 states. The west is empty. I-80 is scary from about 50 miles east of Reno all the way to Omaha. Like the moon. And no other cars or highway patrols.

  109. @Macumazahn
    "Residential property in the US is worth $33.6 trillion at last estimate..."
    Wow. So that means that our rulers' "stimulus" packages shall soon have flushed down the toilet more than 20% of the value of all the residential property in the US. They could instead have bought every negro in America its own residence, thereby flushing actual real estate down the toilet.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Ackshually, it means that now real estate will be “worth” 20% more because where else will all that extra currency go?

    Of course the actual value of the real estate is still the same, it’s just that the measuring tape has been rescaled, again.

  110. @Alden
    @Art Deco

    We have so much in common. Where does she live, Capitol Hill near the abandoned police station? A niece and her husband belong to BLM and Sawant’s socialist alternative. Her parents are sooo proud of them. My relative calls me and harangues me about my racism.

    It’s fine for a black to shoot and kill a White but a homeless person living in his car on her street or unleashed dog is red alert.

    She says downtown is empty and will soon go back to skid row. But it’s all Amazon’s fault for leaving town.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    She’s never put a name on her neighborhood. I see some people refer to it as ‘Maple Leaf’.

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