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iSteve commenter Muggles speculates on the nature of Antifa:

>>It seems to be a type of leaderless resistance and the MSM has no interest in probing that.<<

This is what we are being fed, but as most here suspect this may be a scam or con. You would expect that by now, were these groups labeled “alt right” or neo nazi, entire issues of establishment publications and websites would have elaborate tables of organization and leadership.

Also I believe both federal and local LEOs have informants and agents working with these groups from the inside. For what reason remains the real mystery.

Several major factors:

a. “Anarchist” left ideology claims to be leaderless by design. On the street level this isn’t true, but few “leaders” willing to accept that label.

b. The reason for a. is mainly the federal RICO statutes. If you claim no “organization” then you can’t be legally responsible for the acts of “members.” Smart if you can get away with that.

Southern California law enforcement agencies over the last dozen years has gotten adept at teaming up across municipal and jurisdictional boundaries to use RICO to roll up entire black and Latino street gangs in a single day. Don’t just try to arrest the gang kingpin, arrest all 50 or 100 members of the gang in one day and ship them off to distant federal prisons. The Racketeer-Influenced Criminal Organization law was passed in 1970 to crack down on the Italian mafia, but it has been used against a wide variety of organizations. Using it on Antifa seems feasible.

c. The Internet and Social Media make isolated, temporary modes of communication easier. Very changeable, spontaneous, networks created on the fly voluntarily and quickly. One time use.

d. LEOs may prefer monitoring to repressing so long as violence is contained. Plus less political blow-back. This might change if violence becomes targeted, murderous.

e. MSM in push to defeat Trump wants the Narrative to be “protesters” not savage mobs. “Dissent” versus “police repression.”

f. Affluent white punks run antifa and related gangs. Using lumpen proletariat criminals as allies. This might be actual “white privilege” at work. “antifa” is about inflicting damage on society, not stealing for gain (that’s for the allies). MSM regards antifa as the Biden militia, at least until Nov.

Does Biden have a plan to put Antifa back on ice as soon as he wins? Perhaps some reporter should ask him…

Anyway, as the old commies used to say, all of this hands-off MSM treatment “is no accident.”

 
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  1. Antifa:DNC::IRA:Sinn Fein

    Or at least that’s as good an analogy as I have right now. The actual connections and leadership will remain covert unless the DOJ starts getting serious.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  2. We should read whatever accurate accounts we can get ahold of on the emergence of the radical Communists of a century ago in Russia and Germany. Young people in their comments are telling me that any of us who use the term Commies are out of date and out of touch.

    No, the antifa people don’t read Marx or Engles. (Most of them aren’t intelligent enough to even understand that stuff, it not being in the form of tweets.) No, they don’t carry around Chairman Mao’s little red book. They don’t talk about the proletariat or the class struggle.

    Just the same, though, these people want to destroy traditional society. Destroying material things is one thing, but if you note the policies they favor, it is all about destruction of the culture too, starting with the normal nuclear family. The Commies of old did the same – think of the Chinese under Mao with the boys and girls, men and women, all with the rice-bowl haircuts and blue or grey Mao jackets, as cogs in the machine.

    Dig into how the old Commies operated and you may understand how these new Commies are operating. Peak Stupidity discussed this parallel almost 3 years back in “Who are these Antifa guys?” History may not repeat, but it sure does ryhyme.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Antifa just don't want to go to work. They're college aged young adults who have no meaningful job prospects. They're not particularly skilled at anything and balk at the prospect of competing with Mexicans for jobs as gardeners and such. They don't want to give up their skateboards, backpacks with exterior water bottle clips etc. They're not ready to abandon their "inner child" and become adults.

    But not only that. They sense that there is nothing out there for them. Society has no use for them. There are few challenging jobs for people with their levels of IQ. They're too smart to be garbage men (or fancy themselves as such) but too stupid to land a juicy sinecure. What's left? Protest at the unfairness of life, but disguise one's own failure by projecting your protest as concern for the other, the poor downtrodden black or hispanic minority.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Jane Plain
    @Achmed E. Newman

    He didn't actually identify who these guys are.

    I want to know. Almost all white. Most have Anglo-Saxon/Northern European names.

    It's like the Manson gang. Who the hell ARE these people? I think they're basically the dispossessed white underclass, but that's must my wild guess. I want to read an actual study of them.

    Where are they from?
    Parents?
    Child of divorce?
    Gay parents?
    Education level?
    Ever worked?
    Gay/straight?
    Etc.

    , @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Do we know they don't read Marx and Engels?

    What happened to all the Spartacists and Communist Party USA nad other leninist groups? I would bet the same people, or their children, are around, out-organizing the wokefolk and making use of them in the same way as Lenin used unsophisticated anti-establishment people and peasants.

    Does anybody know?

  3. Off-topic but incredibly important:

    The correlation between COVID-19 and humidity is massively confirmed in a new study (N=40,000), still in preprints. Just posted 3 days ago.

    51 authors on this study, across 27 different institutions. Who ever heard of that many authors and institutions for one paper?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It may have seemed that Florida and Texas and Brazil completely exploded the hypothesis that COVID-19 is seasonal.

    Not at all!

    It turns out that COVID-19 severity and mortality is perhaps more than 10 times lower under conditions of high humidity. We have seen this in Florida, Texas and Singapore versus late winter in New York, Michigan and Europe. The difference in the mortality rate was massive, an order of magnitude or more.

    The link again:
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It seems clear that ambient humidity is the most important and effective treatment of COVID-19 that exists in the world. If something can cause a 10-fold decrease in disease severity, it is better than any other treatment for COVID-19 that exists by a fairly enormous margin. A vaccine might be better but it is doesn’t exist yet.

    And its nearly free to everyone. A humidifier in your bedroom, or a boiling pot on the stove.

    Also, this means a rip-roaring death rate is coming back to cold-places this winter, unless this knowledge breaks through.

    It was known that hospitals in New York were doing a terrible job keeping patients alive in March, much worse than being sent home. How much of this was due to the dry, sterile conditions of a New York hospital in winter?

    New York had something like 10% death rate in March. By comparison Singapore reported 26 deaths and over 44,000 confirmed infections — less than 0.1% mortality rate.

    • Thanks: Mark G., El Dato, JMcG
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @DanHessinMD

    All of the numbers in NJ, NY, and CT are polluted, tainted, and skewed by the nursing home scandal.

    https://www.wamc.org/post/legislature-hold-hearings-covid-19-deaths-nys-nursing-homes

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @DanHessinMD

    Data taken from a handful of European countries and one province of China... I hope this doesn't turn out to be the Ancel Keys 7-countries study of Coronavirus.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @DanHessinMD

    https://weather-and-climate.com/uploads/average-relative-humidity-italy-bergamo.png

    https://weather-and-climate.com/uploads/average-relative-humidity-united-states-of-america-new-york.png

    https://weather-and-climate.com/uploads/average-relative-humidity-belgium-brussels.png

    https://weather-and-climate.com/uploads/average-relative-humidity-sweden-stockholm.png

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/SwedishCovidMW-600x510.png

  4. Another question is why federal cops have limited themselves mainly to CS gas and paintball pellets in response. Why not rubber bullets, or at least water cannons?

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Dave Pinsen

    CS gas, paintball bullets and flash bangs largely work for most crowds. Rubber bullets are a very blunt and dangerous form of crowd control. The Federal officers have used rubber bullets in limited cases in Portland.

    NYPD is not authorized to use any non-lethal crowd control tactics other than individual dispersion of pepper spray. NYPD has to use muscle and nightclubs.

    Water cannons would be a blast.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @El Dato

    , @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    The feds are on the side of Antifa/BLM. You won’t see FBI, JTTF, or other federal agents working against or rounding up Antifa/BLM terrorists. And while the USMS has protected the inside of the federal courthouse it’s been only the red-headed stepchild of federal law enforcement, CPB/ICE officers/agents, who have been trying t0 enforce law in places like Portland. The FBI* is the new Cheka and is secretly passing intel to Antifa/BLM leaders about the DHS/ICE/CPB/FPS operations, including the names of the DHS federal officers operating in places like Portland.


    https://www.newsweek.com/38-police-officers-have-been-doxxed-during-protests-portland-dhs-says-1519530

    38 Police Officers Have Been Doxxed During Protests in Portland, DHS Says

    BY DANIEL VILLARREAL
    7/21/20

    During a Tuesday briefing, a Department of Homeland Security official said that 38 law enforcement officers in Portland, Oregon, were doxxed amid ongoing protests in the area. DHS referred to those who did the alleged doxxing as "radicals."

    Doxing typically refers to the release of personal information like addresses and phone numbers online. The extent of what information was published relating to Portland police was not immediately clear...
     

    *The FBI works closely with other intel agencies in domestic spying operations. They have clandestine centers (apart from official operations, field offices, etc.) where they work closely together.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Lagertha
    @Dave Pinsen

    seriously? hahahahahhahahaaa

    , @Percy Gryce
    @Dave Pinsen

    Seeing all the gas masks and leaf blowers, I've too wondered where are the water cannons.

    , @Pooh
    @Dave Pinsen

    I have come across something called "active denial system" heats the outer layer of skin like a microwave and travels at speed of light. 2,000 people? not a problem for this thing. https://youtu.be/zvP_v4UOXt4 We have more tools why can't we use them??

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  5. Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    • Thanks: Neoconned
    • Replies: @anon
    @Clifford Brown


    This woman just got arrested by the NYPD after yelling in a cop’s face
     
    Lol, stupid girl got arrested because she was issued a lawful order more than once to 'back up' and then decided to get all Stronk 'n Independent YouGoGirl by screaming "Or what? Or fucking what?" while advancing into the line of cops in deliberate defiance of a lawful order.

    So he showed her what - arrested for cause.

    Lulz!

    Many of these people are just stupid.

    Replies: @SMK

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Clifford Brown


    This woman just got arrested by the NYPD after yelling in a cop’s face
     
    "Or f**king what?! Or f**king what?!"

    - Oh, that's what.
    , @AKAHorace
    @Clifford Brown


    Are you serious ?
     
    Says it all.
    , @Hhsiii
    @Clifford Brown

    I doubt antifa is very organized as a whole. A bunch of loosely affiliated outsiders. I’m sure more organized and well-funded people make common cause. But antifa just seems to mean any street fighting radical. Isn’t it great to have rival political advance guard groups on the street like Weimar Germany?

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Clifford Brown

    Soros and some big DNC donors are undoubtedly laundering money to antifa. How much day-to-day control they have is questionable, however.

    , @Gordo
    @Clifford Brown


    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates.
     
    Agree.

    Same in UK, they are auxiliaries of the state.
    , @ThreeCranes
    @Clifford Brown

    I agree with the first three reply-ers. Hey, anyone. What is the law with regard to (what used to be called) invasion of personal space?

    When a woman gets three inches away from your face and screams spittle flecked curses at you, is she guilty of assault? Are you justified in pushing her away? Creating some distance?

    I ask because, obviously, these protesters believe that it's okay to yell as I described above, but when a cop touches them they react as though that is ASSAULT and they are incredulous, as though the other has no rights and is guilty of a criminal act.

    I'm seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Achmed E. Newman, @FPD72, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Paul Jolliffe
    @Clifford Brown

    Interesting, but what evidence do you have that the "FBI and the CIA have long term contracts with (Antifa)" ?

    I am not necessarily disagreeing, I just want to know more.

    , @Alden
    @Clifford Brown

    You’re right. The federal government is allowing them to do what they do. I’ve suspected it for years.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Clifford Brown

    Right. Basically a private militia.

    , @Ragno
    @Clifford Brown

    I'd like to see a little evidence besides relying upon one's rightful distrust of the Deep State - but it's unquestionably a plausible analysis. It's hardly a state secret that the intelligence agencies, along with the grandfathered-in elements of the GOP, despise Trump almost as much as the Evil Party.

    Think about it - Trump delivered an unthinkable Triple Play for the 'Pubbies - House, Senate and White House - and they not squandered this once-in-a-generation opportunity, they seemed to squander it deliberately, heedless of the damage it would cause the country and their own party. (Truly, in Washington DC the only "nigger" it's safe to pour your scorn out on is the outsider who lucks into power.)

    Strongly disliking Orange Man for his imperious arrogance is almost an involuntary reflex but when you consider how truly alone he is among these jackals - you could almost sense his skittishness re using actual military to pacify the anarchist shitbirds for fear they'd publicly defy his orders - that arrogance seems more like defensiveness every day; and makes him actually sympathetic compared to the parasites and predators he's surrounded with daily. It also makes his actual accomplishments while in office, compromised as they are, seem genuinely heroic. After all, Houdini was only wrapped in chains, sealed in a coffin and then dropped in a body of water - he never had to co-exist with Pelosi, Schiff, Comey and Schumer, day after day, for four years.

    Given the above, I can see antifa being co-opted by the Swamp a year or two ago as a potential asset for this specific moment more easily than I can see them nurtured and mentored by them a decade ago as a long-term project.

  6. Andy Ngô has documented organized medics and ambulances for Antifa in Portland:

    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?
     

    Possibly all three. They share the wish to defeat Trump this November.

    Soros impresses me as the Willi Münzenberg of the twenty-first century. His modus operandi has been, like Münzenberg's, to promote and support the left around the world, even as he has acquired the wealth to do so, not by doing anything productive, but rather by currency manipulation.

    Such transactions could easily be structured to be a conduit of funds to an an agent of influence. Could this be the real source of Soros's billions? The covert involvement of a central bank such as China's in undermining the currency of a rival nation could be decisive, while blaming or crediting a highly visible speculator like Soros for the result would deflect attention from, and provide cover for, the primary actor and beneficiary.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @El Dato

    , @Justvisiting
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Soros, yes.

    This article names some names:

    https://www.ammoland.com/2017/07/antifa-osint-profile-leaders-weaknesses-exposed-part-3/

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Shareholders.

    BLM has shaken down corporate American for billions of dollars.

  7. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Affluent white punks run antifa and related gangs.

    Many of the affluent whites behind Antifa are Jews.

    Antifa exists only because the Establishment goes easy on them and because Jews provide them with lawfare protection.

    Without that protection, it’d be finished.

  8. Anon[775] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Some was saying elsewhere that the riots and libtard mayors trying to make cops stand down or be defunded has killed the movement against the 2nd Amendment. Even many liberals don’t want to police to disappear along with their gun rights. They’d be sitting ducks for the mob.

    Soros has done an amazing job of strengthening support for the 2nd Amendment, I’ll give him that.

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  10. Anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    We have the means but lack the will. For all of it.

    Why is Trump sending federal officers to arrest the rioterd instead of arresting the mayors and city councilmen who have instructed the police to only arrest right-wing protesters? That is patently illegal and a violation of the civil rights of the arrestees, a crime which carries a ten year sentence.

    Didn’t the FBI infiltrate the NOPD in the eighties because of such blatant corruption? Where is Barr? Where is Trump? Uh huh.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Anonymous

    "We have the means but lack the will. For all of it."

    Trump doesn't want to offend the delicate sensibilities of the suburban Goodwhite soccer moms by resorting to the amount of violence that's really necessary to get the job done.

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Anonymous

    "Why is Trump sending federal officers to arrest the rioterd instead of arresting the mayors and city councilmen who have instructed the police to only arrest right-wing protesters?"

    Because Trump, for all his bluster, is a weakling.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  11. Anon[481] • Disclaimer says:

    Im worried that Antifa is going to show up at polling places in close-race locations and attack normal-looking whites that look like they might be Trump voters. We already have seen that areas with lefty District Attorneys and police chiefs are willing to look the other way to accomodate antifa. If they are successful, Id imagine antifa will be deployed where the left needs them in the future. Once race hustlers appeared they never went away. Antifa wont either if the Blue Establishment wants them around as a paddle to beat ordinary whites with.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    @Anon

    You assume we won't be voting by mail!

    , @El Dato
    @Anon

    Tonton Macoutes and the "Fillettes Lalo", the female branch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drrX-KrpmE0

    Karen better beware. Can't call 911 when she's inside a camp.

  12. @Dave Pinsen
    Another question is why federal cops have limited themselves mainly to CS gas and paintball pellets in response. Why not rubber bullets, or at least water cannons?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Percy Gryce, @Pooh

    CS gas, paintball bullets and flash bangs largely work for most crowds. Rubber bullets are a very blunt and dangerous form of crowd control. The Federal officers have used rubber bullets in limited cases in Portland.

    NYPD is not authorized to use any non-lethal crowd control tactics other than individual dispersion of pepper spray. NYPD has to use muscle and nightclubs.

    Water cannons would be a blast.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Clifford Brown

    That would be "night sticks".

    , @El Dato
    @Clifford Brown

    Apparently rubber bullets are being used?

    https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1287306240989618177


    Portland has divulged into a war zone!
    Battlefield Antifa hits new extreme
    Barrier has been destroyed
    Never seen such force from either side
    I’ve now been hit by 2 gas canisters and a rubber bullet right to the crotch
    In pain, absolute chaos
     
    Apart from the fact the "divulged" is not the word Mr Elijah is looking for (that would be "degenerated" or "devolved"), I suppose a "rubber bullet to the crotch" may well mean less crotch going forward.

    Rubber bullets in France:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHvMk4LcNKc
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  14. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Another question is why federal cops have limited themselves mainly to CS gas and paintball pellets in response. Why not rubber bullets, or at least water cannons?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Percy Gryce, @Pooh

    The feds are on the side of Antifa/BLM. You won’t see FBI, JTTF, or other federal agents working against or rounding up Antifa/BLM terrorists. And while the USMS has protected the inside of the federal courthouse it’s been only the red-headed stepchild of federal law enforcement, CPB/ICE officers/agents, who have been trying t0 enforce law in places like Portland. The FBI* is the new Cheka and is secretly passing intel to Antifa/BLM leaders about the DHS/ICE/CPB/FPS operations, including the names of the DHS federal officers operating in places like Portland.

    https://www.newsweek.com/38-police-officers-have-been-doxxed-during-protests-portland-dhs-says-1519530

    38 Police Officers Have Been Doxxed During Protests in Portland, DHS Says

    BY DANIEL VILLARREAL
    7/21/20

    During a Tuesday briefing, a Department of Homeland Security official said that 38 law enforcement officers in Portland, Oregon, were doxxed amid ongoing protests in the area. DHS referred to those who did the alleged doxxing as “radicals.”

    Doxing typically refers to the release of personal information like addresses and phone numbers online. The extent of what information was published relating to Portland police was not immediately clear…

    *The FBI works closely with other intel agencies in domestic spying operations. They have clandestine centers (apart from official operations, field offices, etc.) where they work closely together.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    That comes from having a competitive salad of "security services" connected to the money spigot firmly in the grip of Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

    It's like the terminal cancer of the Third Reich - Who will get to sit on the rapidly descending Reich Throne Elevator? Goering, Goebbels, Himmler, Bormann, Dönitz? And does it even matter? You won't even get to have the poor Wolfshund thrown in because it got poisoned.

    Even the semi-official history of 9/11 was basically people dropping the ball because they were mostly interested in scoring political points, covering their ass or cowering before higher-ups. That's been 20 years ago and things haven't gotten better.

  15. Antifa will win and become a political party and an actual, recognized party (as in, Superbowl Halftime commercials, 2021) if Biden wins. And Dancing with the Clintons on the DNC stage come summer/ fall of 2023 (Don’t, stop, thinkin’ about tomorrow…” Cascading balloons and all). So much fun!

    They’re here to stay, co-opted by the deep state. I stand by my prediction they will become an overtly pro-white organization (socialist) in the near future (within 10 years), co-opted by the state and some (((nomads))).

    It’s gona be lit !

    • Replies: @ia
    @OscarWildeLoveChild


    They’re here to stay, co-opted by the deep state. I stand by my prediction they will become an overtly pro-white organization
     
    Interesting, but why would Deep State co-opt white identity? You think they are getting worried about POC?
  16. Does Biden have a plan to put Antifa back on ice as soon as he wins?

    Why should he want to do that?

  17. It’s definitely organized, and scarily well-organized; the actions going in cities both around the country and around the world are coordinated: same actions (attack statues, attack government buildings, blame cops), same instigation, same chants.

    But its hard to get them, because the ground-level guys doing the organizing aren’t going to the riots, and the guys instigating the riots aren’t leaders, but paid instigators no one knows. So none of the crowds are looking or implicating the “leaders” because they’re not there.

    Most of the organizations paying for this follow the following structure:

    Mastermind sends money to various political groups (A Groups) with tacit understandings.
    A groups seed the money to various B groups, again, with tacit agreements.
    B groups use money to hire and train Street Leaders, who are independent of the B group orgs (i.e. subcontractors).
    A& B groups also get intelligence agents/bugs into law enforcement and buyoff politicians.
    Street Leaders round up disaffected/mentally damaged folks, whip them into mobs, and train them in the chants and tactics.
    Meanwhile, Street Leaders hire bird-dogging Instigators to attend the riots and start the riots.Street leaders also plant weapons on the scenes (e.g. bricks) and give weapons to Instigators.

    It’s all very loose and unspoken. Mastermind never meets Street Leaders and Instigators, and the latter two never even know Mastermind is involved. A groups present themselves as lobbyists and “police reformers.” Lots of plausible deniability.,

    Whoever the Mastermind is, they’ve been setting this up for years. They’ve tested out various A groups and see which ones work best, and A groups have been testing out B groups, police intelligence, and politicians for years for the same reason, then B Groups have done the same to Street Leaders and Instigators. They’ve winnowed their groups to the point now that they are a well-oiled machine, knowing who to go with the most money at the moment it’s needed.

    RICO is a good way to get them. Let’s hope it works.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @R.G. Camara


    It’s definitely organized, and scarily well-organized; the actions going in cities both around the country and around the world are coordinated: same actions (attack statues, attack government buildings, blame cops), same instigation, same chants.
     
    That's not really evidence. This is the age when a meme can go around the world in sixty minutes or Hollywood Chtulture can be found everyhwere.
  18. George Soros and the rest of the Globalist Jewish cabal are at the top. They provide financing and strategic direction.

    The next level down are various mid-level managers of Jewish descent. They’re basically handlers, who manage the street-level agitation. Lots of them are failure-to-launch types who didn’t make it to medical or law school. They think that they’ll satisfy their ambitious Jewish parents by making a name for themselves in Anti-Fa.

    The bottom tier are White gentile street fighters. These individuals are generally maladjusted and come from the fringe of society. Many suffer from mental illness and/or drug addiction. They typically don’t have jobs, so they have lots of free time. They come from broken families and are socially isolated, so it’s easy for the Jewish handlers to seduce them with offers of money, drugs, sex, and excitement. The Jewish handlers also appeal to their resentment of the mainstream society that rejected them.

    There are many Jews in elite positions in the various govt agencies, media, court system, corporate boadrooms, and other facets of the power structure. Also, many of the elite White Gentiles (and Non-Whites) take bribes from Jewish financiers. Many are even under various types of Epstein-style blackmail. So (((Anti-Fa))) is directly coordinating with them.

    (((Anti-Fa))) has a few goals.

    1. Make Trump look weak, which weakens his support with his base.
    2. Intimidate Conservatives into silence and, hopefully, even make them scared to vote for Trump.
    3. If they get really lucky, perhaps force some type of “Color Revolution” that removes Trump from office or forces him to flee.

    Once Biden is President and conservatives are totally beaten into submission, (((Anti-Fa))) will be called off.

    If they go off the reservation and start speaking truth to the power (Israel, Neocons, Jewish billionaires), they’ll be crushed. Liberals might not like this, but Moderate Democrats and Republicans will support this crackdown. Assuming the Democrats continue to be divided, the Jewish billionaire class and Jewish media will shift their support back to Republicans, who will be eager to get back into power.

    Trust me. The Jews have all this figured out.

    • Agree: Rational
    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @JohnnyWalker123


    (((Anti-Fa))) has a few goals.

    1. Make Trump look weak, which weakens his support with his base.
    2. Intimidate Conservatives into silence and, hopefully, even make them scared to vote for Trump.
    3. If they get really lucky, perhaps force some type of “Color Revolution” that removes Trump from office or forces him to flee.
     
    I don't think that is correct.

    The purpose of the owners of these "revolutionaries" is the more traditional "revolution" imho--and I do not think this is about Trump. I know it is tempting to "watch that squirrel" but the kleptocrats are more clever than that.

    I think these are just "tests"--to see how different local authorities respond, to make sure the mass media obeys its masters, to find out who can be manipulated and who cannot (within government, corporations, universities). Who can be forced to mouth the slogan? Who will bend the knee?
    What will the counter-revolutionaries do?

    A little voice in my head keeps saying the goal is a military dictatorship to "save the country".

    If I am right the fake "revolution" will be ramping up (and then taking pauses) for several years to come--and when the elites decide the time is right they will strike.

    (Again my opinion, but I do not think the military dictatorship will be about ideology, it will be about centralizing power around the kleptocracy.)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Ozymandias

  19. anon[740] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    This woman just got arrested by the NYPD after yelling in a cop’s face

    Lol, stupid girl got arrested because she was issued a lawful order more than once to ‘back up’ and then decided to get all Stronk ‘n Independent YouGoGirl by screaming “Or what? Or fucking what?” while advancing into the line of cops in deliberate defiance of a lawful order.

    So he showed her what – arrested for cause.

    Lulz!

    Many of these people are just stupid.

    • Agree: sayless, TWS
    • Replies: @SMK
    @anon

    An hysterical young woman is arrested because she was ordered to "back off" but refused to obey and continued to scream at police within a foot or two of their faces. During the 60 days of rioting in scores of cities after the death of Saint George, what percentage and number of males guilty of aggravated assaults, shootings and killings, blinding cops with lasers, attacking them with bottles of frozen waters and bricks and other weapons, arson, breaking the windows of police cars and businesses, arson, looting, or yelling in the faces of police -stereotypical violent and/or recidivist black criminals as well as BLM and Antifa terrorists- have been arrested. And what percentage and number of those arrested will be indicted and prosecuted, convicted at trial of under a plea-bargain, and sentenced to jail or prison, state or federal.

    Replies: @anon, @SMK

  20. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh please. It’s not just the media. Trump admin & agencies are doing bare minimum actions against Antifa.

    Trump has a long documented track record of not giving a damn about any Antifa investigations let alone prosecutions.

    We’re 3.5 years into this shitshow and people still can’t grok just who Donald Trump is. He’s a casino operator at heart. His core political belief is SAY ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED. Take the most cynical person you’ve ever known and multiply X 1000.

    Trump loves Antifa. Antifa was critical for his success in 2016 and 2020 looks even better. Whatever it takes to scare the suburban moms into voting for Trump.

    Look for arm waving and hot rhetoric from the white house. Sporadic arrests. It’s theater. If it were maga people rioting looting burning they would’ve been body slammed with dragnets and rico prosecutions right away.

    These riots are going to build and climax on Halloween.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Anonymous


    These riots are going to build and climax on Halloween.
     
    Not Halloween, Devil’s Night.

    https://youtu.be/O0NMIraznRI
  21. An article claimed a disproportionate number of them work in education. Not sure if maybe the ones easiest to track down were educators or if it really was a reasonable sample.

    Ot but an interesting article about how Yale’s self destructive wokeness is related to white class warfare.
    https://palladiummag.com/2019/08/05/the-real-problem-at-yale-is-not-free-speech/

    • Thanks: El Dato, foolisholdman
  22. I get the impression that Antifa USA is more upper-middle class than Antifa in Europe, which is more lower-middle class and probably has a higher percentage of “basement dwelling” male members.

    Support for Antifa in Europe seems to be fueled by graduate unemployment, while Antifa in the US seems to connected the economic fortunes of wealthy whites. When wealthy whites are bragging about how well their stocks are doing, there lefty sons and daughters are more likely to join Antifa to spite them. This may be why the elites are pretty soft on Antifa in the US, it’s a social embarrassment to wealthy whites who may have relatives involved in it.

    • Replies: @alt right moderate
    @alt right moderate

    As for organisation, it's probably organised locally and offline, in private homes, bars and campus facilities where young lefties tends to congregate. The online communication isn't essential but is useful to help synchronize local protests for maximum national media impact.

    Replies: @Lurker

  23. Steve, a couple of my comments are caught in moderation.

  24. There are right wing news outlets like Fox News, but there’s a lack of genuine investigative journalists that will do deep investigations into stories from the political right. I highly recommend this post from Harsanyi on the lack of right-wing investigative journalism: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-rant-against-the-media/. One snippet:

    Now, I wish conservatives would build their own journalistic outfits to proactively chase down big stories and, in part, dictate the conversation. I’ve never understood why more big donors, and there are plenty of them, haven’t diverted dollars from political candidates, think tanks, and PACs to help build a reliable and serious conservative news infrastructure.

    As National Review alum Daniel Foster notes: “The left has a dozen nonprofit ‘investigative journalism’ nonprofits whose work is treated as completely neutral and unimpeachable by the Post, the Times. The attributions are ‘a watchdog group reports’ etc.” There’s no reason the Right couldn’t create a competing network.

    If there were well funded investigative journalists on the right, they could absolutely expose the funding and organization infrastructure behind Antifa and related groups. If groups with many millions are exposed to be involved in coordinating street violence and looting, they will be held financially and legally responsible which would be a giant game changer.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Massimo Heitor

    A fine post. I agree.

    , @SFG
    @Massimo Heitor

    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn't want to pay for this stuff; they're happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I'd be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @ATBOTL

    , @Anonymous
    @Massimo Heitor

    There's no right-wing investigative journalism because the "conservative" establishment is based around the economic and foreign policy agenda of neocons, corporations and billionaires. The last thing they want is an honest media.

    It's the same reason there's not a single pro-white, or "national conservative" group with even 1% the funding of the SPLC or the huge universe of Jewish groups.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  25. @alt right moderate
    I get the impression that Antifa USA is more upper-middle class than Antifa in Europe, which is more lower-middle class and probably has a higher percentage of "basement dwelling" male members.

    Support for Antifa in Europe seems to be fueled by graduate unemployment, while Antifa in the US seems to connected the economic fortunes of wealthy whites. When wealthy whites are bragging about how well their stocks are doing, there lefty sons and daughters are more likely to join Antifa to spite them. This may be why the elites are pretty soft on Antifa in the US, it's a social embarrassment to wealthy whites who may have relatives involved in it.

    Replies: @alt right moderate

    As for organisation, it’s probably organised locally and offline, in private homes, bars and campus facilities where young lefties tends to congregate. The online communication isn’t essential but is useful to help synchronize local protests for maximum national media impact.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @alt right moderate

    Media impact is too passive a term. Once a riot, statue protest or whatever is underway or even just "expected" it's the MSM that pushes it to the next level. The organisation is hidden in plain view.

  26. Are the leadership models for Black Lives Matter and #MeToo just as opaque? All three do appear to be shrouded in mystery in terms of command structure.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    Are there any right wing private security firms that may have command structure diagrams of these groups?

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @JimDandy
    @Kronos

    "appear to be"

    If the MSM wanted to expose the entire mechanism they could do it. In a day or two.

  27. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:

    Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a federal crime. Using the internet to organize a civil disturbance is organized crime aka racketeering. It’s all federal jurisdiction.

    But look at what President Casino Operator and his kabuki FBI are doing in Portland OR —– a city that just happens to sit across the state border from Vancouver WA.

    They are ignoring all of the rioters who are coming into Portland every weekend from out of state i.e. right next door in Vancouver. And elsewhere.

    If these were right wingers the feds would crush them. Do mass arrests and throw every out-of-stater into paddy wagons headed for some sort of nasty chain link fence watch tower federal processing facility in say the Easter Oregon desert.

    Wake up. Antifa has proteksia at the highest levels. Trump loves him some Antifa. So does Schumer and Pelosi. What a country!

    • Disagree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Anonymous

    "If these were right wingers the feds would crush them."

    That's clearly true, as we have seen several times with much less lawless provocation. The real question is WHY? If Trump is just a Tweet producing, golf playing figurehead who is actually calling the shots? Is it Putin after all?

  28. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-mar-23-na-talking23-story.html?_amp=true

    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/24/us/attorney-general-seeks-resignations-from-prosecutors.html

    Depending who you ask the wholesale removal of US Attorneys started with either Reagan or Clinton…..either way i don’t get it….

    1) why isn’t Barr going all out w RICO indictments against these goons? Much less terrorism charges…

    2) …..why hasnt Barr removed James Comeys daughter from the NY federal prosecutors office? As shes 1 of the leading Maxwell/Epstein prosecutors…..

    3) …..does Comey have something on Barr?

  29. OT, File this under: All the Worlds problems can now be found in America.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-Armenian-school-community-center-vandalized-15434127.php

    SF Armenian school, community center vandalized with hateful graffiti

    San Francisco’s KZV Armenian School and the adjacent Armenian community center were vandalized with hateful graffiti and discovered by appalled community members on Friday.

    “As I came today at 8 this morning, I saw the graffiti on the walls. I was shocked. I was appalled,” school principal Grace Andonian told KTVU. “The community is in shock. Our families, students, alumni, they were all in shock to see these hate messages on the wall.”

    The messages contained curse words and appeared to be connected to increased tensions between Azerbaijan and Armenia over a recent border dispute, a spat that has led to confrontations in the United States. Earlier this week, one person was arrested and several people were injured after protests turned violent outside the Azerbaijan Consulate in Los Angeles.

    Remember, diversity doesn’t just bring us great restaurants, but also ancient grievances imported from foreign lands!

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Mr. Anon

    There's a sentence I read a long time ago that's always stuck in my memory, from an anti-immigration article in the Spectator by Bruce Anderson :

    "We can't solve the world's problems, much less import them".

    , @duncsbaby
    @Mr. Anon

    I, for one, declare my allegiance to the Armenians.

    What has an Azerbaijani ever done for me?

    Diddly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Jane Plain
    @Mr. Anon

    William Saroyan, an Armenian-American, wrote a beautiful story called The Human Comedy, during WW2. Mickey Rooney gave an awesome performance.

    , @Known Fact
    @Mr. Anon

    These cowards woudn't dare mess with Armenian-Americans when Mike Connors -- born Krekor Ohanian -- was still around!

  30. @Kronos
    Are the leadership models for Black Lives Matter and #MeToo just as opaque? All three do appear to be shrouded in mystery in terms of command structure.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @JimDandy

    Are there any right wing private security firms that may have command structure diagrams of these groups?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Neoconned

    Not really. The best I could find was this.

    https://www.ammoland.com/2020/06/antifa-osint-profile-violent-leftist-group-part-1/

  31. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    This woman just got arrested by the NYPD after yelling in a cop’s face

    “Or f**king what?! Or f**king what?!”

    – Oh, that’s what.

    • LOL: Ben tillman
  32. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    Are you serious ?

    Says it all.

  33. @Kronos
    Are the leadership models for Black Lives Matter and #MeToo just as opaque? All three do appear to be shrouded in mystery in terms of command structure.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @JimDandy

    “appear to be”

    If the MSM wanted to expose the entire mechanism they could do it. In a day or two.

  34. OT: As long as the Coalition of the Woke is looking for statues to tear down – how about all the monuments to the soldiers of the 10th Calvary – a unit of black buffalo soldiers who were employed by the US Government to kill and subjugate indigenous native American people. They also fought to establish America’s overseas empire, in Cuba and the Philippines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_Cavalry_Regiment_(United_States)

  35. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    I doubt antifa is very organized as a whole. A bunch of loosely affiliated outsiders. I’m sure more organized and well-funded people make common cause. But antifa just seems to mean any street fighting radical. Isn’t it great to have rival political advance guard groups on the street like Weimar Germany?

  36. Does Biden have a plan to put Antifa back on ice as soon as he wins? Perhaps some reporter should ask him…

    Yeah it’s called “Soros turns off the money,” and the social media services start banning them the way they do the Proud Boys, etc. Let’s not kid ourselves: Antifa is a Potemkin “revolution from above” that will dry up as soon as it no longer serves elite interests.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Thomas

    Yet in Europe, Antifa is an unofficial branch of the government. They will not go away. They become the equivalent of the Communist Polish citizen militia or Dan Ortega's dissent punishment squad in Nicaragua. They will expand.
    You will not be saved by the god Plutonium, in fact, you will not be saved. Stop hoping the un-nice un-men will just go away.

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @Kronos
    @Thomas

    Because the Antifa leadership is relatively unknown, they lack the same meta-political “oomph” that the Black Panthers possessed and cultivated. When the Black Panthers started to get too crazy the Chicago police were able to “headshot” the movement with the Fred Hampton 1969 raid. I can’t imagine that terminating the leadership either by cutting off the funds or killing (Clinton suicide) the Antifa management team will destroy the organization fast enough for Soros’s liking.

    https://youtu.be/dialHJAoQcA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#1969_raid_and_death

    Replies: @Thomas

  37. Also I believe both federal and local LEOs have informants and agents working with these groups from the inside. For what reason remains the real mystery.

    The reason would be fairly obvious. Law enforcement agencies want to know what’s going on inside any potentially subversive organisation or group. You can be sure that even the most innocuous groups on both the Left and the Right have snitches within from the very start. There’s no use waiting until the group gets out of hand and starts to become dangerous. You can’t say, “This is getting serious, it’s time to do something” and infiltrate them at a moment’s notice.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Rob McX

    In fact, some groups are set up by informants or undercover agents in the first place, although I doubt this applies to antifa. Law enforcement has more money than private citizens have to finance a political organisation, and by doing so it can draw its targets together for maximum surveillance from the outset.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Rob McX


    The reason would be fairly obvious. Law enforcement agencies want to know what’s going on inside any potentially subversive organisation or group.
     
    And perhaps they not only want to keep tabs on such groups, but actively use them by directing them to some particular end.

    And it's possible for those groups to get out of hand too. There were high-placed czarist officials who were killed by people whom the czarist state was paying. I believe that Hitler was originally recruited by the german army to infiltrate and spy on the nascent NSDAP.
  38. @Dave Pinsen
    Another question is why federal cops have limited themselves mainly to CS gas and paintball pellets in response. Why not rubber bullets, or at least water cannons?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Percy Gryce, @Pooh

    seriously? hahahahahhahahaaa

  39. It is organized thru the Universities…for obvious reasons. When they harm people, they should all wind up in Federal system so we never have to deal with their murderous behaviour again – kill 2 birds with one stone. I hate these people; lock them up forever.

  40. @Thomas

    Does Biden have a plan to put Antifa back on ice as soon as he wins? Perhaps some reporter should ask him…
     
    Yeah it's called "Soros turns off the money," and the social media services start banning them the way they do the Proud Boys, etc. Let's not kid ourselves: Antifa is a Potemkin "revolution from above" that will dry up as soon as it no longer serves elite interests.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Kronos

    Yet in Europe, Antifa is an unofficial branch of the government. They will not go away. They become the equivalent of the Communist Polish citizen militia or Dan Ortega’s dissent punishment squad in Nicaragua. They will expand.
    You will not be saved by the god Plutonium, in fact, you will not be saved. Stop hoping the un-nice un-men will just go away.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @J.Ross

    They will go away if Biden wins because there won't be any need for an unofficial branch of anything. The SJWs around Biden who will be really running things while he drools on himself in the Executive residence will have access to the Justice Department, FBI, IRS, and all the other tools of government Obama's administration was all too eager to use against their political enemies, even against an incoming President. With those things, there's no need for a self-initiated guerrilla movement of lowlifes on the streets.

    Replies: @Known Fact

  41. Affluent white punks run antifa and related gangs. Using lumpen proletariat criminals as allies. This might be actual “white privilege” at work. “antifa” is about inflicting damage on society, not stealing for gain (that’s for the allies).MSM regards antifa as the Biden militia, at least until Nov.

    To a substantial degree, the MSM is Antifa’s propaganda wing:

    And yet, Antifa often receives media coverage that is neutral or even favorable, with its members’ violence either being ignored by reporters or vaguely explained away as a product of right-wing provocation. What’s more, anecdotal evidence has suggested that many of the mainstream reporters who are most active in covering Antifa also tend to enthusiastically amplify Antifa’s claims on social media.

    In October 2018, my research partner and I decided to investigate the truth of this impression by using a mix of network mapping and linguistic analysis to see which prominent journalists who covered Antifa also were closely connected to leading Antifa figures on social media. We then inspected the Antifa-related stories these journalists had written.

    We created a data set of 58,254 Antifa or Antifa-associated Twitter accounts based on the follows of 16 verified Antifa seed accounts. Using a software tool that analyzed the number and nature of connections associated with each individual account, we winnowed the 58,254 Antifa or Antifa-associated Twitter accounts down to 962 accounts. This represents a core group of Twitter users who are connected in overlapping ways to the most influential and widely followed Antifa figures. Of these 962 accounts, 22 were found to be verified—of which 15 were journalists who work regularly with national-level news outlets.

    That correlation turned out to be quite pronounced: Of all 15 verified national-level journalists in our subset, we couldn’t find a single article, by any of them, that was markedly critical of Antifa in any way. In all cases, their work in this area consisted primarily of downplaying Antifa violence while advancing Antifa talking points, and in some cases quoting Antifa extremists as if they were impartial experts.

    A more prominent example is Jason Wilson, a Portland-based writer for The Guardian. One of his recent articles focused on a U.S. regional intelligence report whose authors concluded that Antifa and the far right share responsibility for street violence. “Experts say the report mischaracterizes the dynamics of the street violence,” Wilson complained.

    One of Wilson’s main “experts” in the piece, it turned out, was none other than Antifa handbook author Mark Bray, who, predictably, denounced the report’s contents as “ludicrous.” In fact, Bray makes regular appearances in Wilson’s articles. So does fellow Portland resident and eco-extremist Alexander Reid Ross, who regularly writes for Antifa publications such as the It’s Going Down anarchist news site. (Ross also contributed to a 30-year-anniversary edition publication for Earth First!, an extremist environmentalist collective that advocates what activists euphemistically call “direct action.”)

    Interestingly, while other Portland journalists such as Genevieve Reaume of KATU News, Maggie Vespa of KGW News and Quillette’s own Andy Ngo (who has voiced concerns about Antifa’s actions) have been harassed and assaulted by Antifa activists, Wilson seems welcome to mingle freely among Antifa, and has even been photographed standing close to Marquez. In one piece, titled “How the world has fought back against the violent far-right and started winning,” Wilson effectively drops the pretense that he is a neutral reporter, and approvingly outlines the Antifa tactics set out in Bray’s book. He also defends such tactics as doxing, stalking, deplatforming and shaming as valuable means to attack individuals whose views he dislikes. In doing so, he cites both Bray and Emily Gorcenski, who runs a doxing site called First Vigil, and an associated Twitter account, which shame individuals she deems to be fascists before they have received due process.

    Christopher Mathias, a senior reporter for the Huffington Post, applies the same cynical approach. Like Wilson, Mathias’ byline seems to pop up whenever Antifa stages violent protests—and he always can be counted on to deliver a play-by-play that favors Antifa. But he goes even further than his Guardian counterpart. Unlike Wilson, Mathias actually doxes individuals whom he suspects of being right-wing extremists. His doxing sources for an article about suspected extremists in the U.S. military included Unicorn Riot, an anarchic Antifa journalist collective, and other shady sites that exist as a sort of in-house 4chan for the Antifa movement. (Mathias cited similar sources when he published identifying details of a Texas schoolteacher, and of a Virginia police officer.)

    Like other prominent writers whose names appear among the 15 journalists most closely engaged with Antifa, they seem to function not at professional arm’s length from their sources, but rather as cogs in an activist enterprise that churns out both pro-Antifa propaganda and doxing information about real or imagined ideological enemies. Their allies in this mission include trolls such as AntiFashGordon, the pseudonym of a Twitter user who declares that “I expose fascists, get them fired, de-homed, kicked out of school etc,” and brags that he passes “dossiers” of doxes to national-level journalists, whom he refers to as “our contacts.” His entire online mission is to ruin other people’s lives, and it is a mission being supported by “contacts” like Mathias and Wilson. In providing such support, they are discrediting their publications and misinforming their readers.

    https://quillette.com/2019/05/29/its-not-your-imagination-the-journalists-writing-about-antifa-are-often-their-cheerleaders/

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @syonredux


    So does fellow Portland resident and eco-extremist Alexander Reid Ross, who regularly writes for Antifa publications such as the It’s Going Down anarchist news site. (Ross also contributed to a 30-year-anniversary edition publication for Earth First!, an extremist environmentalist collective that advocates what activists euphemistically call “direct action.”)
     
    I wonder how much of the hardcore, violent and arsonist white anti-fa are these radical animal rights and environmentalist types from a few years ago who have realized the good racket to be in is anti-whiteness. I suspect animal liberation types who got bagged on serious charges are some of the government's informants in antifa. Part of what's driving the large number of whites in these riots is the BLM/anti-white/anti-fa stuff becoming the only cool thing on the left now. They are getting all the save the whales, save the trees, anti-WTO, anti-war, anti-corporate type white liberals along with the communists and degenerates who were already in anti-fa and focusing on anti-whiteness the whole time.
  42. “Does Biden have a plan to put Antifa back on ice as soon as he wins? Perhaps some reporter should ask him…”

    You have mentioned this before, but suppose they keep it up after he wins? Even if they do, they have always been in Democrat-run cities and no one seems to care, and they will have no problem making the cops the enemy if trump is gone.

    And when they do cross the line by going to a D mayor’s house, they are shut down.

    The one thing we are really not hearing about are cities where the mayor is black, like Chicago. The media wants focus on white cities for the narrative, but aren’t there riots in Chicago?

  43. Using it (RICO) on Antifa seems feasible.

    I guess if George Soros really is the kingpin …

  44. @Thomas

    Does Biden have a plan to put Antifa back on ice as soon as he wins? Perhaps some reporter should ask him…
     
    Yeah it's called "Soros turns off the money," and the social media services start banning them the way they do the Proud Boys, etc. Let's not kid ourselves: Antifa is a Potemkin "revolution from above" that will dry up as soon as it no longer serves elite interests.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Kronos

    Because the Antifa leadership is relatively unknown, they lack the same meta-political “oomph” that the Black Panthers possessed and cultivated. When the Black Panthers started to get too crazy the Chicago police were able to “headshot” the movement with the Fred Hampton 1969 raid. I can’t imagine that terminating the leadership either by cutting off the funds or killing (Clinton suicide) the Antifa management team will destroy the organization fast enough for Soros’s liking.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#1969_raid_and_death

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Kronos

    Some of the leadership will no doubt get bought off with "community organizer" gigs. In 10 years, probably putting "Antifa organizer, 2017-2020" on LinkedIn will probably be a thing for some of them.

    Don't expect the drug-addicted weirdos you keep seeing in mugshots to do much of anything though without direction from above. They'll go back to spanging for change, stints in jail, or whatever else they were doing before.

    Replies: @Kronos

  45. Anonymous[171] • Disclaimer says:

    HOW IS ANTIFA ORGANIZED?

    Bwaaaahahahaa.

    What. Did everyone miss the congressional hearings on this matter? (Hint: those hearings don’t exist but if they did see below)

    How is Antifa organized?

    FBI Director Wray: Yes, well, of course, that’s a good question. In our preliminary investigations — which I’m not at liberty to discuss in detail right now — we expect to find some sophisticated modes of operation.

    How is Antifa funded?

    FBI Director Wray: Obviously that’s another good question that deserves a full response. We’ll be issuing a report in early November that goes into some of the details of our preliminary investigation of this entire matter. I wish I was at liberty to discuss the details with you here today — because we expect to find some sophisticated modes of operation.

  46. The reason for a. is mainly the federal RICO statutes. If you claim no “organization” then you can’t be legally responsible for the acts of “members.” Smart if you can get away with that.

    They’re obviously getting legal advice from sympathetic attorneys. I heard that’s why they renamed their little area in Seattle from the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) to the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP). Lawyers told them anyone calling themselves autonomous from America could be attacked by the US military.

    Can lawyers who give advice for the purpose of committing crimes be guilty too? I guess hard to prove.

    Notice how smart the Left is versus the Right. The typical rightwing militia has a leader who demands to be named as the leader! They all wear uniforms and want to be known as a formal organization.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @RichardTaylor


    The typical rightwing militia has a leader who demands to be named as the leader! They all wear uniforms and want to be known as a formal organization.
     
    Hello, time traveller. I have some bad news for you...
    , @Hibernian
    @RichardTaylor


    Can lawyers who give advice for the purpose of committing crimes be guilty too? I guess hard to prove.
     
    They're called consigliere, and its a serious ethical violation. I agree its likely hard, probably very hard, to prove.
  47. @Rob McX

    Also I believe both federal and local LEOs have informants and agents working with these groups from the inside. For what reason remains the real mystery.
     
    The reason would be fairly obvious. Law enforcement agencies want to know what's going on inside any potentially subversive organisation or group. You can be sure that even the most innocuous groups on both the Left and the Right have snitches within from the very start. There's no use waiting until the group gets out of hand and starts to become dangerous. You can't say, "This is getting serious, it's time to do something" and infiltrate them at a moment's notice.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Mr. Anon

    In fact, some groups are set up by informants or undercover agents in the first place, although I doubt this applies to antifa. Law enforcement has more money than private citizens have to finance a political organisation, and by doing so it can draw its targets together for maximum surveillance from the outset.

  48. @Clifford Brown
    @Dave Pinsen

    CS gas, paintball bullets and flash bangs largely work for most crowds. Rubber bullets are a very blunt and dangerous form of crowd control. The Federal officers have used rubber bullets in limited cases in Portland.

    NYPD is not authorized to use any non-lethal crowd control tactics other than individual dispersion of pepper spray. NYPD has to use muscle and nightclubs.

    Water cannons would be a blast.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @El Dato

    That would be “night sticks”.

  49. @syonredux

    Affluent white punks run antifa and related gangs. Using lumpen proletariat criminals as allies. This might be actual “white privilege” at work. “antifa” is about inflicting damage on society, not stealing for gain (that’s for the allies).MSM regards antifa as the Biden militia, at least until Nov.

     

    To a substantial degree, the MSM is Antifa's propaganda wing:

    And yet, Antifa often receives media coverage that is neutral or even favorable, with its members’ violence either being ignored by reporters or vaguely explained away as a product of right-wing provocation. What’s more, anecdotal evidence has suggested that many of the mainstream reporters who are most active in covering Antifa also tend to enthusiastically amplify Antifa’s claims on social media.
     

    In October 2018, my research partner and I decided to investigate the truth of this impression by using a mix of network mapping and linguistic analysis to see which prominent journalists who covered Antifa also were closely connected to leading Antifa figures on social media. We then inspected the Antifa-related stories these journalists had written.
     

    We created a data set of 58,254 Antifa or Antifa-associated Twitter accounts based on the follows of 16 verified Antifa seed accounts. Using a software tool that analyzed the number and nature of connections associated with each individual account, we winnowed the 58,254 Antifa or Antifa-associated Twitter accounts down to 962 accounts. This represents a core group of Twitter users who are connected in overlapping ways to the most influential and widely followed Antifa figures. Of these 962 accounts, 22 were found to be verified—of which 15 were journalists who work regularly with national-level news outlets.
     

    That correlation turned out to be quite pronounced: Of all 15 verified national-level journalists in our subset, we couldn’t find a single article, by any of them, that was markedly critical of Antifa in any way. In all cases, their work in this area consisted primarily of downplaying Antifa violence while advancing Antifa talking points, and in some cases quoting Antifa extremists as if they were impartial experts.

     


    A more prominent example is Jason Wilson, a Portland-based writer for The Guardian. One of his recent articles focused on a U.S. regional intelligence report whose authors concluded that Antifa and the far right share responsibility for street violence. “Experts say the report mischaracterizes the dynamics of the street violence,” Wilson complained.
     

    One of Wilson’s main “experts” in the piece, it turned out, was none other than Antifa handbook author Mark Bray, who, predictably, denounced the report’s contents as “ludicrous.” In fact, Bray makes regular appearances in Wilson’s articles. So does fellow Portland resident and eco-extremist Alexander Reid Ross, who regularly writes for Antifa publications such as the It’s Going Down anarchist news site. (Ross also contributed to a 30-year-anniversary edition publication for Earth First!, an extremist environmentalist collective that advocates what activists euphemistically call “direct action.”)

     


    Interestingly, while other Portland journalists such as Genevieve Reaume of KATU News, Maggie Vespa of KGW News and Quillette’s own Andy Ngo (who has voiced concerns about Antifa’s actions) have been harassed and assaulted by Antifa activists, Wilson seems welcome to mingle freely among Antifa, and has even been photographed standing close to Marquez. In one piece, titled “How the world has fought back against the violent far-right and started winning,” Wilson effectively drops the pretense that he is a neutral reporter, and approvingly outlines the Antifa tactics set out in Bray’s book. He also defends such tactics as doxing, stalking, deplatforming and shaming as valuable means to attack individuals whose views he dislikes. In doing so, he cites both Bray and Emily Gorcenski, who runs a doxing site called First Vigil, and an associated Twitter account, which shame individuals she deems to be fascists before they have received due process.
     

    Christopher Mathias, a senior reporter for the Huffington Post, applies the same cynical approach. Like Wilson, Mathias’ byline seems to pop up whenever Antifa stages violent protests—and he always can be counted on to deliver a play-by-play that favors Antifa. But he goes even further than his Guardian counterpart. Unlike Wilson, Mathias actually doxes individuals whom he suspects of being right-wing extremists. His doxing sources for an article about suspected extremists in the U.S. military included Unicorn Riot, an anarchic Antifa journalist collective, and other shady sites that exist as a sort of in-house 4chan for the Antifa movement. (Mathias cited similar sources when he published identifying details of a Texas schoolteacher, and of a Virginia police officer.)

     


    Like other prominent writers whose names appear among the 15 journalists most closely engaged with Antifa, they seem to function not at professional arm’s length from their sources, but rather as cogs in an activist enterprise that churns out both pro-Antifa propaganda and doxing information about real or imagined ideological enemies. Their allies in this mission include trolls such as AntiFashGordon, the pseudonym of a Twitter user who declares that “I expose fascists, get them fired, de-homed, kicked out of school etc,” and brags that he passes “dossiers” of doxes to national-level journalists, whom he refers to as “our contacts.” His entire online mission is to ruin other people’s lives, and it is a mission being supported by “contacts” like Mathias and Wilson. In providing such support, they are discrediting their publications and misinforming their readers.

     

    https://quillette.com/2019/05/29/its-not-your-imagination-the-journalists-writing-about-antifa-are-often-their-cheerleaders/

    Replies: @ATBOTL

    So does fellow Portland resident and eco-extremist Alexander Reid Ross, who regularly writes for Antifa publications such as the It’s Going Down anarchist news site. (Ross also contributed to a 30-year-anniversary edition publication for Earth First!, an extremist environmentalist collective that advocates what activists euphemistically call “direct action.”)

    I wonder how much of the hardcore, violent and arsonist white anti-fa are these radical animal rights and environmentalist types from a few years ago who have realized the good racket to be in is anti-whiteness. I suspect animal liberation types who got bagged on serious charges are some of the government’s informants in antifa. Part of what’s driving the large number of whites in these riots is the BLM/anti-white/anti-fa stuff becoming the only cool thing on the left now. They are getting all the save the whales, save the trees, anti-WTO, anti-war, anti-corporate type white liberals along with the communists and degenerates who were already in anti-fa and focusing on anti-whiteness the whole time.

    • Agree: Thea, Alden
  50. @Mr. Anon
    OT, File this under: All the Worlds problems can now be found in America.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-Armenian-school-community-center-vandalized-15434127.php

    SF Armenian school, community center vandalized with hateful graffiti

    San Francisco's KZV Armenian School and the adjacent Armenian community center were vandalized with hateful graffiti and discovered by appalled community members on Friday.

    "As I came today at 8 this morning, I saw the graffiti on the walls. I was shocked. I was appalled," school principal Grace Andonian told KTVU. "The community is in shock. Our families, students, alumni, they were all in shock to see these hate messages on the wall."

    The messages contained curse words and appeared to be connected to increased tensions between Azerbaijan and Armenia over a recent border dispute, a spat that has led to confrontations in the United States. Earlier this week, one person was arrested and several people were injured after protests turned violent outside the Azerbaijan Consulate in Los Angeles.
     
    Remember, diversity doesn't just bring us great restaurants, but also ancient grievances imported from foreign lands!

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Jane Plain, @Known Fact

    There’s a sentence I read a long time ago that’s always stuck in my memory, from an anti-immigration article in the Spectator by Bruce Anderson :

    “We can’t solve the world’s problems, much less import them”.

  51. @RichardTaylor

    The reason for a. is mainly the federal RICO statutes. If you claim no “organization” then you can’t be legally responsible for the acts of “members.” Smart if you can get away with that.
     
    They're obviously getting legal advice from sympathetic attorneys. I heard that's why they renamed their little area in Seattle from the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) to the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP). Lawyers told them anyone calling themselves autonomous from America could be attacked by the US military.

    Can lawyers who give advice for the purpose of committing crimes be guilty too? I guess hard to prove.

    Notice how smart the Left is versus the Right. The typical rightwing militia has a leader who demands to be named as the leader! They all wear uniforms and want to be known as a formal organization.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Hibernian

    The typical rightwing militia has a leader who demands to be named as the leader! They all wear uniforms and want to be known as a formal organization.

    Hello, time traveller. I have some bad news for you…

    • LOL: Gordo
  52. @Rob McX

    Also I believe both federal and local LEOs have informants and agents working with these groups from the inside. For what reason remains the real mystery.
     
    The reason would be fairly obvious. Law enforcement agencies want to know what's going on inside any potentially subversive organisation or group. You can be sure that even the most innocuous groups on both the Left and the Right have snitches within from the very start. There's no use waiting until the group gets out of hand and starts to become dangerous. You can't say, "This is getting serious, it's time to do something" and infiltrate them at a moment's notice.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Mr. Anon

    The reason would be fairly obvious. Law enforcement agencies want to know what’s going on inside any potentially subversive organisation or group.

    And perhaps they not only want to keep tabs on such groups, but actively use them by directing them to some particular end.

    And it’s possible for those groups to get out of hand too. There were high-placed czarist officials who were killed by people whom the czarist state was paying. I believe that Hitler was originally recruited by the german army to infiltrate and spy on the nascent NSDAP.

  53. @Massimo Heitor
    There are right wing news outlets like Fox News, but there's a lack of genuine investigative journalists that will do deep investigations into stories from the political right. I highly recommend this post from Harsanyi on the lack of right-wing investigative journalism: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-rant-against-the-media/. One snippet:

    Now, I wish conservatives would build their own journalistic outfits to proactively chase down big stories and, in part, dictate the conversation. I’ve never understood why more big donors, and there are plenty of them, haven’t diverted dollars from political candidates, think tanks, and PACs to help build a reliable and serious conservative news infrastructure.

    As National Review alum Daniel Foster notes: “The left has a dozen nonprofit ‘investigative journalism’ nonprofits whose work is treated as completely neutral and unimpeachable by the Post, the Times. The attributions are ‘a watchdog group reports’ etc.” There’s no reason the Right couldn’t create a competing network.

     

    If there were well funded investigative journalists on the right, they could absolutely expose the funding and organization infrastructure behind Antifa and related groups. If groups with many millions are exposed to be involved in coordinating street violence and looting, they will be held financially and legally responsible which would be a giant game changer.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @SFG, @Anonymous

    A fine post. I agree.

  54. ‘This might change if violence becomes targeted, murderous.’

    They’ve already targeted cops, and opportunistic criminals in Seattle committed murders.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/05/antifa-rioters-set-off-explosive-fireworks-aimed-at-portland-courthouse-n606220?fbclid=IwAR3L-jY4-sdAdDLiDlwcqJ6VzQKbtJiDCZD39DY1Il0xpyimUXLwkcd2jVA

    “Peaceful protest” in Chicago – frozen water bottles thrown at cops, also beer cans torn up so that cops get their hands cut batting them away, a large volume of projectiles requiring more than a few bad apples to throw them, “peaceful protesters” obviously providing cover for the most blatant bad actors, ringleaders issuing projectiles to heretofore nonviolent demonstrators, by means of the former dropping them on the ground so the latter can scoop them up, etc.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2020/07/police-release-surveillance-videos-from-grant-park-riot.html?fbclid=IwAR0cluW-jzgWTWunaQ3zOK5cVxC6gHr1aOq-HoTsJkcWQjUbhyQ0hpnYXCk

    George Dzundza and Chris Noth would make short work of these people.

  55. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    Soros and some big DNC donors are undoubtedly laundering money to antifa. How much day-to-day control they have is questionable, however.

  56. @RichardTaylor

    The reason for a. is mainly the federal RICO statutes. If you claim no “organization” then you can’t be legally responsible for the acts of “members.” Smart if you can get away with that.
     
    They're obviously getting legal advice from sympathetic attorneys. I heard that's why they renamed their little area in Seattle from the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) to the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP). Lawyers told them anyone calling themselves autonomous from America could be attacked by the US military.

    Can lawyers who give advice for the purpose of committing crimes be guilty too? I guess hard to prove.

    Notice how smart the Left is versus the Right. The typical rightwing militia has a leader who demands to be named as the leader! They all wear uniforms and want to be known as a formal organization.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @Hibernian

    Can lawyers who give advice for the purpose of committing crimes be guilty too? I guess hard to prove.

    They’re called consigliere, and its a serious ethical violation. I agree its likely hard, probably very hard, to prove.

  57. No judge is going to issue a warrant for the mass jailing of college kids in hellhole prisons because they were protesting against Trump, and a RICO indictment would not stand up in the way it can against the Mafia. Joining Costa Nostra means taking an oath that you agree to commit killings as required to by your supervisor, and never betray the organisation. Being ‘made’ (allowed to take that oath) until very recently meant you must have already committed a murder-to-order to prove yourself. Neighbourhood and prison gangs have similar induction protocols. And their members never have clean records. So affiliated clandestine criminals are easy for the FBI.

    But Antifa are self appointed public vigilantes drawn from a certain personality type of the educated classes that cannot accept superior IQ and self control (not excluding their own) is hereditary, and loathes whiteness as a scheme of racial hierarchy. As a result, Antifa enchew structural hierarchy. Which is why they’re more like termites without a central brain bug controlling the nest, yet nevertheless exhibiting emergent behaviour that achieves astounding things. Also, they sense the legal and political establishment opinion is anti-Trump, and there was a lockdown. Cue for innocuous grasshoppers turning into a swarm of locusts.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    RICO has been applied a lot more broadly than just against made men:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Famous_cases

    Replies: @Sean

    , @John Long
    @Sean

    I watched about an hour of a live stream on YouTube from Seattle last night.

    Although the message is dangerous: a more sad sack pathetic group of individuals I've never seen.

    In addition, most looked extremely unhealthy.

    I had to laugh when the guy streaming the shots said all he smelled was weed everywhere.

    My 8th grade football team would have kicked all their asses! Lol

    Replies: @anon

    , @El Dato
    @Sean


    Which is why they’re more like termites without a central brain bug controlling the nest
     
    "Antifants"
    , @S. Anonyia
    @Sean

    They should jail these college students, though.

    Ironically Antifa may be proving one of the concepts they are out in the streets to bring attention to- white privilege, or at least white upper middle class privilege

    Organized Muslims with paramilitary gear in Dearborn attacking a federal courthouse like these college Antifa kids are in Portland would have already been carted off somewhere....

    Send them to jail and make their parents pay the bills.

  58. I accidentally watched Talmudvision on an European Newschannel. 60s clip about peaceful protests in Seattle (showing bandits clad in heavy protection trying to tear down the fence) while Trump! calls in the “paramilitary” (who they?). The end.

    Jesus Christ.

    Also, did Antifa read Heinlein’s novel of libertarian revolution, “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”? There is even a Biden-like character in there, an artificial personality constructed by the Moon base AI who pretends to be the leader.

  59. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous


    Libertarian "Boogaloo Boys"
     
    Smells like a sting operation organized by the Zucker brothers.
  60. @J.Ross
    @Thomas

    Yet in Europe, Antifa is an unofficial branch of the government. They will not go away. They become the equivalent of the Communist Polish citizen militia or Dan Ortega's dissent punishment squad in Nicaragua. They will expand.
    You will not be saved by the god Plutonium, in fact, you will not be saved. Stop hoping the un-nice un-men will just go away.

    Replies: @Thomas

    They will go away if Biden wins because there won’t be any need for an unofficial branch of anything. The SJWs around Biden who will be really running things while he drools on himself in the Executive residence will have access to the Justice Department, FBI, IRS, and all the other tools of government Obama’s administration was all too eager to use against their political enemies, even against an incoming President. With those things, there’s no need for a self-initiated guerrilla movement of lowlifes on the streets.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Thomas

    And if they do go away then Biden looks like an effective leader and "healer." The Left WILL run wild if Biden wins, but as of early 2021 they won't have to do it in the streets except to stay in practice.

    One narrative for 2021 does remain unclear if Biden wins -- does COVID appear to get better or worse? Better and he's a miracle worker; worse and they can crack down even more on the tattered remains of normal American life.

  61. @Kronos
    @Thomas

    Because the Antifa leadership is relatively unknown, they lack the same meta-political “oomph” that the Black Panthers possessed and cultivated. When the Black Panthers started to get too crazy the Chicago police were able to “headshot” the movement with the Fred Hampton 1969 raid. I can’t imagine that terminating the leadership either by cutting off the funds or killing (Clinton suicide) the Antifa management team will destroy the organization fast enough for Soros’s liking.

    https://youtu.be/dialHJAoQcA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#1969_raid_and_death

    Replies: @Thomas

    Some of the leadership will no doubt get bought off with “community organizer” gigs. In 10 years, probably putting “Antifa organizer, 2017-2020” on LinkedIn will probably be a thing for some of them.

    Don’t expect the drug-addicted weirdos you keep seeing in mugshots to do much of anything though without direction from above. They’ll go back to spanging for change, stints in jail, or whatever else they were doing before.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Thomas


    Don’t expect the drug-addicted weirdos you keep seeing in mugshots to do much of anything though without direction from above. They’ll go back to spanging for change, stints in jail, or whatever else they were doing before.
     
    Should we start calling them “legal fodder?”
  62. Don’t expect the drug-addicted weirdos you keep seeing in mugshots to do much of anything though without direction from above. They’ll go back to spanging for change, stints in jail, or whatever else they were doing before.

    Some of them will be education professors like Bill Ayers.

    • Agree: El Dato
  63. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Early on in the Trump administration I remember some descriptions of how it’s organized and there were a couple of first person things somewhere, Reddit maybe, from former members. Also, there’s a website used by some to plan and make announcements, whose logs could be subpoenaed. This sort of legal attack is the kind of fiendish thing that a clone of Stephen Miller could be organizing.

    One funny thing I remember: a first-personer from a former female member. She said she was tasked with buying all the supplies, black clothing, food, and cleaning up, and in general was bossed around.

    When the bike lock skull crusher guy was tracked down, arrested, and managed to avoid jail there was speculation that he had turned and would be going undercover for the cops like the Anonymous guy who was turned by the feds, but I don’t think that happened.

  64. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, a few years ago, Jews got caught sterilizing negro immigrants attempting to re-home in Israel. When BLM finds out, are they going to Cancel Israel?

    If not, why not?

  65. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates.

    Agree.

    Same in UK, they are auxiliaries of the state.

  66. @Mr. Anon
    OT, File this under: All the Worlds problems can now be found in America.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-Armenian-school-community-center-vandalized-15434127.php

    SF Armenian school, community center vandalized with hateful graffiti

    San Francisco's KZV Armenian School and the adjacent Armenian community center were vandalized with hateful graffiti and discovered by appalled community members on Friday.

    "As I came today at 8 this morning, I saw the graffiti on the walls. I was shocked. I was appalled," school principal Grace Andonian told KTVU. "The community is in shock. Our families, students, alumni, they were all in shock to see these hate messages on the wall."

    The messages contained curse words and appeared to be connected to increased tensions between Azerbaijan and Armenia over a recent border dispute, a spat that has led to confrontations in the United States. Earlier this week, one person was arrested and several people were injured after protests turned violent outside the Azerbaijan Consulate in Los Angeles.
     
    Remember, diversity doesn't just bring us great restaurants, but also ancient grievances imported from foreign lands!

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Jane Plain, @Known Fact

    I, for one, declare my allegiance to the Armenians.

    What has an Azerbaijani ever done for me?

    Diddly.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @duncsbaby

    Bob Dole was always a hearty supporter of the Armenian Caucus in Congress? Why because an Armenian-American doctor saved him from dying of the severe wounds he received 75 years ago. (Dole just turned 97.)

    Seems like a good enough reason.

    Replies: @ATBOTL

  67. All anarchist punks had always been organized, from Blanqui to Kropotkin & Social revolutionaries. The likes of Soros (and others) finance them, and all authorities & secret services (FBI, German, French, Swedish, British..) know who pays their food, transport…and know who pays “migrants” etc.
    Also, they all know who they are. Prussian spies had in the 19th C known everything about Marx.

    Just, they – various government agencies- are cowards in service of local plutocracies & dumb systems that rule the West. Tactically, this is a conspiracy (services etc.). Strategically, this is an inevitable fall of corrupted ruling classes with failure of nerve, similar to French rulers in the 1770s or Russian in 1905 & later.

  68. OT, more related to the demographic disaster.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/conceptionandfertilityrates/bulletins/childbearingforwomenbornindifferentyearsenglandandwales/2018

    The average completed family size for women in England and Wales who reached age 45 years in 2018 (having been born in 1973) was 1.89 children per woman, unchanged from the previous cohort (women born in 1972); this is the lowest level since the series began.

    And remember this includes a large and fertile immigrant population. Last time native fertility was measured, in 2004, it was 1.6.

    Of the women who reached age 45 years in 2018, 19% were childless at the end of their childbearing years; this is more than double the proportion of childlessness (9%) in their mothers’ generation born in 1946 but is similar to levels seen for women born since the late 1950s.

    By age 30 years, 53% of women born in 1973 had at least one child, compared with 82% for their mothers’ generation.

    Unfortunately, this isn’t something the MEN OF UNZ (© Alden) are capable of fixing by themselves.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dog-thefts-lockdown-rise-kennels-a4508026.html

    “My dogs are priceless to me. They are my life. They are keeping me going. Other than that, what have I got to look forward to? I have no husband nor children. Luckily, I have lovely friends and family and two goddaughters. But my dogs are my babies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Most women not having children isn't necessarily a bad thing. Contrast the Western, Northern European pattern of nuptiality with that of Asiatic and African societies. Eugenics on the X chromosome is what produced the superiority of the so-called white race. The inferiority of societies where European Y chromosomes predominate in a substrate of X chromosomes from conquered populations also proves the converse (e.g. Latin America). The white woman is key, but she must be controlled.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Alden
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Said it before and I’ll say it again. If the MEN OF UNZ are so worried about White fertility make some White babies, and raise them so they can make more White babies as my husband, his brothers and their sons all did.

    My husband has 8 grandchildren and 1 great grandson whose father is 24 years old and already owns a home.

    So quit whining MEN OF UNZ get busy and found a dynasty if you’re so worried about White fertility. If you’re able to find a woman who’ll let you do the deed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

  69. What is truly annoying about the refusal to ID the leadership of AntiFa is that it stops me from collecting the Player Cards deck. Inquiring minds want to know, for example, who is the King of Clubs and who might be the Ace of Spades.

    • LOL: Kronos
  70. @Clifford Brown
    @Dave Pinsen

    CS gas, paintball bullets and flash bangs largely work for most crowds. Rubber bullets are a very blunt and dangerous form of crowd control. The Federal officers have used rubber bullets in limited cases in Portland.

    NYPD is not authorized to use any non-lethal crowd control tactics other than individual dispersion of pepper spray. NYPD has to use muscle and nightclubs.

    Water cannons would be a blast.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @El Dato

    Apparently rubber bullets are being used?

    Portland has divulged into a war zone!
    Battlefield Antifa hits new extreme
    Barrier has been destroyed
    Never seen such force from either side
    I’ve now been hit by 2 gas canisters and a rubber bullet right to the crotch
    In pain, absolute chaos

    Apart from the fact the “divulged” is not the word Mr Elijah is looking for (that would be “degenerated” or “devolved”), I suppose a “rubber bullet to the crotch” may well mean less crotch going forward.

    Rubber bullets in France:

  71. @duncsbaby
    @Mr. Anon

    I, for one, declare my allegiance to the Armenians.

    What has an Azerbaijani ever done for me?

    Diddly.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Bob Dole was always a hearty supporter of the Armenian Caucus in Congress? Why because an Armenian-American doctor saved him from dying of the severe wounds he received 75 years ago. (Dole just turned 97.)

    Seems like a good enough reason.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    @Steve Sailer

    Bob Dole was also a strong support of bombing Serbia so muslims could seize more territory in Europe by ethnically cleansing Christians. May Bob Dole burn in hell forever.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  72. @Massimo Heitor
    There are right wing news outlets like Fox News, but there's a lack of genuine investigative journalists that will do deep investigations into stories from the political right. I highly recommend this post from Harsanyi on the lack of right-wing investigative journalism: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-rant-against-the-media/. One snippet:

    Now, I wish conservatives would build their own journalistic outfits to proactively chase down big stories and, in part, dictate the conversation. I’ve never understood why more big donors, and there are plenty of them, haven’t diverted dollars from political candidates, think tanks, and PACs to help build a reliable and serious conservative news infrastructure.

    As National Review alum Daniel Foster notes: “The left has a dozen nonprofit ‘investigative journalism’ nonprofits whose work is treated as completely neutral and unimpeachable by the Post, the Times. The attributions are ‘a watchdog group reports’ etc.” There’s no reason the Right couldn’t create a competing network.

     

    If there were well funded investigative journalists on the right, they could absolutely expose the funding and organization infrastructure behind Antifa and related groups. If groups with many millions are exposed to be involved in coordinating street violence and looting, they will be held financially and legally responsible which would be a giant game changer.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @SFG, @Anonymous

    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn’t want to pay for this stuff; they’re happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I’d be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @SFG


    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn’t want to pay for this stuff; they’re happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I’d be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

     

    With Antifa, a real investigative team could build databases of names of people involved, dig through public records, go on site and setup surveillance. find leads and dig into them, interview neighbors, etc.

    unz.com doesn't do any of that. They host independent op-ed writers, which is great, but it's limited.

    And the "average right-winger" isn't gong to provide millions of dollars for serious investigative reporting. However, wealthy donors exist, they do invest into political projects. They could do this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BB753

    , @ATBOTL
    @SFG

    Didn't Tucker create the Daily Caller along with Conservatism Inc. grifter types and then sell his stake in it?

    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Massimo Heitor

  73. @Sean
    No judge is going to issue a warrant for the mass jailing of college kids in hellhole prisons because they were protesting against Trump, and a RICO indictment would not stand up in the way it can against the Mafia. Joining Costa Nostra means taking an oath that you agree to commit killings as required to by your supervisor, and never betray the organisation. Being 'made' (allowed to take that oath) until very recently meant you must have already committed a murder-to-order to prove yourself. Neighbourhood and prison gangs have similar induction protocols. And their members never have clean records. So affiliated clandestine criminals are easy for the FBI.

    But Antifa are self appointed public vigilantes drawn from a certain personality type of the educated classes that cannot accept superior IQ and self control (not excluding their own) is hereditary, and loathes whiteness as a scheme of racial hierarchy. As a result, Antifa enchew structural hierarchy. Which is why they're more like termites without a central brain bug controlling the nest, yet nevertheless exhibiting emergent behaviour that achieves astounding things. Also, they sense the legal and political establishment opinion is anti-Trump, and there was a lockdown. Cue for innocuous grasshoppers turning into a swarm of locusts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Long, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    RICO has been applied a lot more broadly than just against made men:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Famous_cases

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Steve Sailer

    No one beats a federal case because the FBI use very prolonged surveillance before getting a warrant for making arrests, on RICO they'd need to be even more thorough and so even if they are working on it already they'll be too slow to affect events.

    Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, to enforce Brown Brown v. Board of Education at Central High School.

    Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy had General (ret.) Edwin Walker instantly confined to a mental hospital after a firebrand speech of his was blamed for the 1962 Ole Miss pro segregation riot (six months later Lee Harvey Oswald tried to kill Walker).

    Bush sent thousands of regular soldiers and Marines to LA under the Insurrection Act during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

    It is yet not clear whether the riots are going to hurt Trump I think. Anyway, he is very chary about actual action. If you look at what Iran has done with drone attacks on Saudi refineries and blowing up tankers with limpet mines, Trump's innate caution when it comes to deeds rather than blustery pronouncements is salient.

  74. Maybe since whites are not allowed to organize along racial lines anymore so they organize along these substitutes like Save the Whales?

  75. @Anon
    Im worried that Antifa is going to show up at polling places in close-race locations and attack normal-looking whites that look like they might be Trump voters. We already have seen that areas with lefty District Attorneys and police chiefs are willing to look the other way to accomodate antifa. If they are successful, Id imagine antifa will be deployed where the left needs them in the future. Once race hustlers appeared they never went away. Antifa wont either if the Blue Establishment wants them around as a paddle to beat ordinary whites with.

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @El Dato

    You assume we won’t be voting by mail!

  76. @Achmed E. Newman
    We should read whatever accurate accounts we can get ahold of on the emergence of the radical Communists of a century ago in Russia and Germany. Young people in their comments are telling me that any of us who use the term Commies are out of date and out of touch.

    No, the antifa people don't read Marx or Engles. (Most of them aren't intelligent enough to even understand that stuff, it not being in the form of tweets.) No, they don't carry around Chairman Mao's little red book. They don't talk about the proletariat or the class struggle.

    Just the same, though, these people want to destroy traditional society. Destroying material things is one thing, but if you note the policies they favor, it is all about destruction of the culture too, starting with the normal nuclear family. The Commies of old did the same - think of the Chinese under Mao with the boys and girls, men and women, all with the rice-bowl haircuts and blue or grey Mao jackets, as cogs in the machine.

    Dig into how the old Commies operated and you may understand how these new Commies are operating. Peak Stupidity discussed this parallel almost 3 years back in "Who are these Antifa guys?" History may not repeat, but it sure does ryhyme.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Jane Plain, @anon

    The Antifa just don’t want to go to work. They’re college aged young adults who have no meaningful job prospects. They’re not particularly skilled at anything and balk at the prospect of competing with Mexicans for jobs as gardeners and such. They don’t want to give up their skateboards, backpacks with exterior water bottle clips etc. They’re not ready to abandon their “inner child” and become adults.

    But not only that. They sense that there is nothing out there for them. Society has no use for them. There are few challenging jobs for people with their levels of IQ. They’re too smart to be garbage men (or fancy themselves as such) but too stupid to land a juicy sinecure. What’s left? Protest at the unfairness of life, but disguise one’s own failure by projecting your protest as concern for the other, the poor downtrodden black or hispanic minority.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @ThreeCranes

    I agree with the over educated part. However I do think they have a tax free job in protesting. Antifa might have independently controlled cells, but they have deep pocket support for support like medics, lawyers, and even their spiffy black bloc outfits. We can blame Soros, but my guess money if flowing from the likes of the Atlantic Council, who get a good bit of financing from the State Dept. In other words they are public employees minus the benefits and pensions.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @ThreeCranes

    I agree with your description of the guys on the street, 3-Cranes. They are the Commies of this century, just the same. Because they don't have good prospects they want to bring it all down, thinking there is that better way that their predecessors could have told you about 100 years ago.

  77. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    I agree with the first three reply-ers. Hey, anyone. What is the law with regard to (what used to be called) invasion of personal space?

    When a woman gets three inches away from your face and screams spittle flecked curses at you, is she guilty of assault? Are you justified in pushing her away? Creating some distance?

    I ask because, obviously, these protesters believe that it’s okay to yell as I described above, but when a cop touches them they react as though that is ASSAULT and they are incredulous, as though the other has no rights and is guilty of a criminal act.

    I’m seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @ThreeCranes

    They must take their cues from watching soccer. You know, when a player gets tapped on the shin and then starts rolling around the grass clutching his leg and grimacing?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @ThreeCranes

    Call Jack D. His number's on the billboards.

    , @FPD72
    @ThreeCranes


    I’m seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?
     
    If you just smile at a Native American who approaches you and beats on a drum two inches from your face you’ll be convicted in the court of public opinion.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    @ThreeCranes

    Unfortunately, the reality is that it depends. It depends on how the police react, how prosecutors react, and how judges react. The idea of just "following the law" and "I have rights" is an ideal but not a reality. If recent history is any guide, you have to tread much more carefully as a conservative. Things people on the left can do with impunity may get you jail time.

  78. How Is Antifa Organized?

    If you’re actually interested in the answer to this question, read David Hines: https://twitter.com/hradzka

  79. @ThreeCranes
    @Clifford Brown

    I agree with the first three reply-ers. Hey, anyone. What is the law with regard to (what used to be called) invasion of personal space?

    When a woman gets three inches away from your face and screams spittle flecked curses at you, is she guilty of assault? Are you justified in pushing her away? Creating some distance?

    I ask because, obviously, these protesters believe that it's okay to yell as I described above, but when a cop touches them they react as though that is ASSAULT and they are incredulous, as though the other has no rights and is guilty of a criminal act.

    I'm seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Achmed E. Newman, @FPD72, @Chrisnonymous

    They must take their cues from watching soccer. You know, when a player gets tapped on the shin and then starts rolling around the grass clutching his leg and grimacing?

  80. @alt right moderate
    @alt right moderate

    As for organisation, it's probably organised locally and offline, in private homes, bars and campus facilities where young lefties tends to congregate. The online communication isn't essential but is useful to help synchronize local protests for maximum national media impact.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Media impact is too passive a term. Once a riot, statue protest or whatever is underway or even just “expected” it’s the MSM that pushes it to the next level. The organisation is hidden in plain view.

  81. @ThreeCranes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Antifa just don't want to go to work. They're college aged young adults who have no meaningful job prospects. They're not particularly skilled at anything and balk at the prospect of competing with Mexicans for jobs as gardeners and such. They don't want to give up their skateboards, backpacks with exterior water bottle clips etc. They're not ready to abandon their "inner child" and become adults.

    But not only that. They sense that there is nothing out there for them. Society has no use for them. There are few challenging jobs for people with their levels of IQ. They're too smart to be garbage men (or fancy themselves as such) but too stupid to land a juicy sinecure. What's left? Protest at the unfairness of life, but disguise one's own failure by projecting your protest as concern for the other, the poor downtrodden black or hispanic minority.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree with the over educated part. However I do think they have a tax free job in protesting. Antifa might have independently controlled cells, but they have deep pocket support for support like medics, lawyers, and even their spiffy black bloc outfits. We can blame Soros, but my guess money if flowing from the likes of the Atlantic Council, who get a good bit of financing from the State Dept. In other words they are public employees minus the benefits and pensions.

  82. I guess that is pretty easy to say when your average boomer can get a high paying job right out of high school that is gone now?

  83. 128 says:

    Do they even deserve to compete with 5 dollars a day illegal labor though? You can argue that loose immigration policies have created a situation that even someone smart enough to graduate from high school is still not smart enough to get a comfortable living, whereareas back in the 70s even someone who was too stupid to finish college was basically guaranteed a good job in the factory and a comfortable, thought not lavish lifestyle.

  84. Mike Adams, a fairly well known conservative gadfly who had just reached a settlement in a long running legal battle with the uni which employed him as a professor, was found dead of a gunshot wound in his own home. He had guns in the house and was “erratic.” (You would be too, if you’d run the gauntlet he’d run.) Also had many enemies. (Surprise, surprise.) Suicide or homicide? No one’s saying. No details released.

    He was found Thursday mid-afternoon; there’s been enough time to notify next of kin. After a few very bad taste “obituaries” from leftist media outlets, now, crickets. I’d say the cops (fortunately a rural sheriff’s dept. in a coastal community, that’s not like a liberal urban police department, but not the stereotypical rural Southern backwater sheriff’s office) is conducting a homicide investigation and keeping info under wraps for obvious reasons. No word of funeral arrangements. He was well liked by his students.

    https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/07/23/new-hanover-sheriffs-office-investigating-death-of-uncw-professor-mike-adams/

    • Replies: @captflee
    @Hibernian

    I look forward to the day when the YMCA fitness center re-opens and I can speak with the local lobotomy box station's prime time male anchor regarding his and his station's (and Gray Media's) relentless hounding of Prof. Adams over the years, and inquire of him if he felt any responsibility at all for the denouement of their little Maoist morality play, irrespective of whose finger was on the trigger. I'd like to think he possesses a soul, but would not be shocked to discover otherwise.

    I have high expectations for a fair and thorough investigation from Sheriff McMahon's office. Amidst the otherwise chaotic operations of much of the county government, the Sheriff's Office and EMS operations are paragons of effectiveness, placing quite well nationally, according to various accreditation agencies. The Sheriff's one of the few, and diminishing, Democrats for which I could stomach to vote last time.

    There is the comforting thought that, should the investigation suggest something other than suicide, the Soros backed AG is ready to step in. Certainly calms my apprehensions...

  85. @DanHessinMD
    Off-topic but incredibly important:

    The correlation between COVID-19 and humidity is massively confirmed in a new study (N=40,000), still in preprints. Just posted 3 days ago.

    51 authors on this study, across 27 different institutions. Who ever heard of that many authors and institutions for one paper?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It may have seemed that Florida and Texas and Brazil completely exploded the hypothesis that COVID-19 is seasonal.

    Not at all!

    It turns out that COVID-19 severity and mortality is perhaps more than 10 times lower under conditions of high humidity. We have seen this in Florida, Texas and Singapore versus late winter in New York, Michigan and Europe. The difference in the mortality rate was massive, an order of magnitude or more.

    The link again:
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It seems clear that ambient humidity is the most important and effective treatment of COVID-19 that exists in the world. If something can cause a 10-fold decrease in disease severity, it is better than any other treatment for COVID-19 that exists by a fairly enormous margin. A vaccine might be better but it is doesn't exist yet.

    And its nearly free to everyone. A humidifier in your bedroom, or a boiling pot on the stove.

    Also, this means a rip-roaring death rate is coming back to cold-places this winter, unless this knowledge breaks through.

    It was known that hospitals in New York were doing a terrible job keeping patients alive in March, much worse than being sent home. How much of this was due to the dry, sterile conditions of a New York hospital in winter?

    New York had something like 10% death rate in March. By comparison Singapore reported 26 deaths and over 44,000 confirmed infections -- less than 0.1% mortality rate.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    All of the numbers in NJ, NY, and CT are polluted, tainted, and skewed by the nursing home scandal.

    https://www.wamc.org/post/legislature-hold-hearings-covid-19-deaths-nys-nursing-homes

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Jane Plain


    All of the numbers in NJ, NY, and CT are polluted, tainted, and skewed by the nursing home scandal.
     
    All numbers from NY are politicized and suspect.

    Another example-

    Cuomo's list of quarantine states doesn't follow his numeric guidelines for inclusion at all.

    Michigan exceeds the NY limit on the number of cases per 100k population, yet it is not on the NY list.

    I wonder why that is?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  86. anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve asked a very good question the other day, How many antifa are trans?

    But an even better question might be, How many antifa are vegan?

    After all a common joke even on the far left is to refer to antifa as the vegan ISIS.

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2017/09/02/whoa-guess-called-antifa-vegan-isis/

    Vegans are highly suspected of commonly having an extreme narcissistic personally disorder related to their unnatural diet.

    Vegans: The Epitome of Malnourishment

    So is how is antifa organized.

    Perhaps it operates on a Herd/Hive mind principle.

  87. @Anon
    Im worried that Antifa is going to show up at polling places in close-race locations and attack normal-looking whites that look like they might be Trump voters. We already have seen that areas with lefty District Attorneys and police chiefs are willing to look the other way to accomodate antifa. If they are successful, Id imagine antifa will be deployed where the left needs them in the future. Once race hustlers appeared they never went away. Antifa wont either if the Blue Establishment wants them around as a paddle to beat ordinary whites with.

    Replies: @Digital Samizdat, @El Dato

    Tonton Macoutes and the “Fillettes Lalo”, the female branch.

    Karen better beware. Can’t call 911 when she’s inside a camp.

  88. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, more related to the demographic disaster.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/conceptionandfertilityrates/bulletins/childbearingforwomenbornindifferentyearsenglandandwales/2018


    The average completed family size for women in England and Wales who reached age 45 years in 2018 (having been born in 1973) was 1.89 children per woman, unchanged from the previous cohort (women born in 1972); this is the lowest level since the series began.
     
    And remember this includes a large and fertile immigrant population. Last time native fertility was measured, in 2004, it was 1.6.

    Of the women who reached age 45 years in 2018, 19% were childless at the end of their childbearing years; this is more than double the proportion of childlessness (9%) in their mothers' generation born in 1946 but is similar to levels seen for women born since the late 1950s.

    By age 30 years, 53% of women born in 1973 had at least one child, compared with 82% for their mothers' generation.
     

    Unfortunately, this isn't something the MEN OF UNZ (© Alden) are capable of fixing by themselves.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dog-thefts-lockdown-rise-kennels-a4508026.html


    “My dogs are priceless to me. They are my life. They are keeping me going. Other than that, what have I got to look forward to? I have no husband nor children. Luckily, I have lovely friends and family and two goddaughters. But my dogs are my babies."

     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    Most women not having children isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Contrast the Western, Northern European pattern of nuptiality with that of Asiatic and African societies. Eugenics on the X chromosome is what produced the superiority of the so-called white race. The inferiority of societies where European Y chromosomes predominate in a substrate of X chromosomes from conquered populations also proves the converse (e.g. Latin America). The white woman is key, but she must be controlled.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anonymous

    "Most women not having children isn’t necessarily a bad thing."

    It is when

    a) native British women aren't reproducing at replacement levels
    c) the dimmest Brit women reproduce the most
    d) the brightest reproduce the least
    e) immigrant women have much higher birthrates, and they are arriving in six-figure numbers every year

    I rather like the Brits, and would prefer to live among them.

  89. @DanHessinMD
    Off-topic but incredibly important:

    The correlation between COVID-19 and humidity is massively confirmed in a new study (N=40,000), still in preprints. Just posted 3 days ago.

    51 authors on this study, across 27 different institutions. Who ever heard of that many authors and institutions for one paper?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It may have seemed that Florida and Texas and Brazil completely exploded the hypothesis that COVID-19 is seasonal.

    Not at all!

    It turns out that COVID-19 severity and mortality is perhaps more than 10 times lower under conditions of high humidity. We have seen this in Florida, Texas and Singapore versus late winter in New York, Michigan and Europe. The difference in the mortality rate was massive, an order of magnitude or more.

    The link again:
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It seems clear that ambient humidity is the most important and effective treatment of COVID-19 that exists in the world. If something can cause a 10-fold decrease in disease severity, it is better than any other treatment for COVID-19 that exists by a fairly enormous margin. A vaccine might be better but it is doesn't exist yet.

    And its nearly free to everyone. A humidifier in your bedroom, or a boiling pot on the stove.

    Also, this means a rip-roaring death rate is coming back to cold-places this winter, unless this knowledge breaks through.

    It was known that hospitals in New York were doing a terrible job keeping patients alive in March, much worse than being sent home. How much of this was due to the dry, sterile conditions of a New York hospital in winter?

    New York had something like 10% death rate in March. By comparison Singapore reported 26 deaths and over 44,000 confirmed infections -- less than 0.1% mortality rate.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous

    Data taken from a handful of European countries and one province of China… I hope this doesn’t turn out to be the Ancel Keys 7-countries study of Coronavirus.

  90. @R.G. Camara
    It's definitely organized, and scarily well-organized; the actions going in cities both around the country and around the world are coordinated: same actions (attack statues, attack government buildings, blame cops), same instigation, same chants.

    But its hard to get them, because the ground-level guys doing the organizing aren't going to the riots, and the guys instigating the riots aren't leaders, but paid instigators no one knows. So none of the crowds are looking or implicating the "leaders" because they're not there.

    Most of the organizations paying for this follow the following structure:

    Mastermind sends money to various political groups (A Groups) with tacit understandings.
    A groups seed the money to various B groups, again, with tacit agreements.
    B groups use money to hire and train Street Leaders, who are independent of the B group orgs (i.e. subcontractors).
    A& B groups also get intelligence agents/bugs into law enforcement and buyoff politicians.
    Street Leaders round up disaffected/mentally damaged folks, whip them into mobs, and train them in the chants and tactics.
    Meanwhile, Street Leaders hire bird-dogging Instigators to attend the riots and start the riots.Street leaders also plant weapons on the scenes (e.g. bricks) and give weapons to Instigators.

    It's all very loose and unspoken. Mastermind never meets Street Leaders and Instigators, and the latter two never even know Mastermind is involved. A groups present themselves as lobbyists and "police reformers." Lots of plausible deniability.,

    Whoever the Mastermind is, they've been setting this up for years. They've tested out various A groups and see which ones work best, and A groups have been testing out B groups, police intelligence, and politicians for years for the same reason, then B Groups have done the same to Street Leaders and Instigators. They've winnowed their groups to the point now that they are a well-oiled machine, knowing who to go with the most money at the moment it's needed.

    RICO is a good way to get them. Let's hope it works.

    Replies: @El Dato

    It’s definitely organized, and scarily well-organized; the actions going in cities both around the country and around the world are coordinated: same actions (attack statues, attack government buildings, blame cops), same instigation, same chants.

    That’s not really evidence. This is the age when a meme can go around the world in sixty minutes or Hollywood Chtulture can be found everyhwere.

  91. @Achmed E. Newman
    We should read whatever accurate accounts we can get ahold of on the emergence of the radical Communists of a century ago in Russia and Germany. Young people in their comments are telling me that any of us who use the term Commies are out of date and out of touch.

    No, the antifa people don't read Marx or Engles. (Most of them aren't intelligent enough to even understand that stuff, it not being in the form of tweets.) No, they don't carry around Chairman Mao's little red book. They don't talk about the proletariat or the class struggle.

    Just the same, though, these people want to destroy traditional society. Destroying material things is one thing, but if you note the policies they favor, it is all about destruction of the culture too, starting with the normal nuclear family. The Commies of old did the same - think of the Chinese under Mao with the boys and girls, men and women, all with the rice-bowl haircuts and blue or grey Mao jackets, as cogs in the machine.

    Dig into how the old Commies operated and you may understand how these new Commies are operating. Peak Stupidity discussed this parallel almost 3 years back in "Who are these Antifa guys?" History may not repeat, but it sure does ryhyme.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Jane Plain, @anon

    He didn’t actually identify who these guys are.

    I want to know. Almost all white. Most have Anglo-Saxon/Northern European names.

    It’s like the Manson gang. Who the hell ARE these people? I think they’re basically the dispossessed white underclass, but that’s must my wild guess. I want to read an actual study of them.

    Where are they from?
    Parents?
    Child of divorce?
    Gay parents?
    Education level?
    Ever worked?
    Gay/straight?
    Etc.

  92. @DanHessinMD
    Off-topic but incredibly important:

    The correlation between COVID-19 and humidity is massively confirmed in a new study (N=40,000), still in preprints. Just posted 3 days ago.

    51 authors on this study, across 27 different institutions. Who ever heard of that many authors and institutions for one paper?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It may have seemed that Florida and Texas and Brazil completely exploded the hypothesis that COVID-19 is seasonal.

    Not at all!

    It turns out that COVID-19 severity and mortality is perhaps more than 10 times lower under conditions of high humidity. We have seen this in Florida, Texas and Singapore versus late winter in New York, Michigan and Europe. The difference in the mortality rate was massive, an order of magnitude or more.

    The link again:
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.11.20147157v2.full.pdf

    It seems clear that ambient humidity is the most important and effective treatment of COVID-19 that exists in the world. If something can cause a 10-fold decrease in disease severity, it is better than any other treatment for COVID-19 that exists by a fairly enormous margin. A vaccine might be better but it is doesn't exist yet.

    And its nearly free to everyone. A humidifier in your bedroom, or a boiling pot on the stove.

    Also, this means a rip-roaring death rate is coming back to cold-places this winter, unless this knowledge breaks through.

    It was known that hospitals in New York were doing a terrible job keeping patients alive in March, much worse than being sent home. How much of this was due to the dry, sterile conditions of a New York hospital in winter?

    New York had something like 10% death rate in March. By comparison Singapore reported 26 deaths and over 44,000 confirmed infections -- less than 0.1% mortality rate.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Chrisnonymous, @Chrisnonymous

  93. @Mr. Anon
    OT, File this under: All the Worlds problems can now be found in America.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-Armenian-school-community-center-vandalized-15434127.php

    SF Armenian school, community center vandalized with hateful graffiti

    San Francisco's KZV Armenian School and the adjacent Armenian community center were vandalized with hateful graffiti and discovered by appalled community members on Friday.

    "As I came today at 8 this morning, I saw the graffiti on the walls. I was shocked. I was appalled," school principal Grace Andonian told KTVU. "The community is in shock. Our families, students, alumni, they were all in shock to see these hate messages on the wall."

    The messages contained curse words and appeared to be connected to increased tensions between Azerbaijan and Armenia over a recent border dispute, a spat that has led to confrontations in the United States. Earlier this week, one person was arrested and several people were injured after protests turned violent outside the Azerbaijan Consulate in Los Angeles.
     
    Remember, diversity doesn't just bring us great restaurants, but also ancient grievances imported from foreign lands!

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Jane Plain, @Known Fact

    William Saroyan, an Armenian-American, wrote a beautiful story called The Human Comedy, during WW2. Mickey Rooney gave an awesome performance.

  94. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/MysteryGrove/status/1286925791742144512?s=20

    Replies: @El Dato

    Libertarian “Boogaloo Boys”

    Smells like a sting operation organized by the Zucker brothers.

  95. @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    RICO has been applied a lot more broadly than just against made men:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Famous_cases

    Replies: @Sean

    No one beats a federal case because the FBI use very prolonged surveillance before getting a warrant for making arrests, on RICO they’d need to be even more thorough and so even if they are working on it already they’ll be too slow to affect events.

    Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, to enforce Brown Brown v. Board of Education at Central High School.

    Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy had General (ret.) Edwin Walker instantly confined to a mental hospital after a firebrand speech of his was blamed for the 1962 Ole Miss pro segregation riot (six months later Lee Harvey Oswald tried to kill Walker).

    Bush sent thousands of regular soldiers and Marines to LA under the Insurrection Act during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

    It is yet not clear whether the riots are going to hurt Trump I think. Anyway, he is very chary about actual action. If you look at what Iran has done with drone attacks on Saudi refineries and blowing up tankers with limpet mines, Trump’s innate caution when it comes to deeds rather than blustery pronouncements is salient.

  96. If corporations like Microsoft, Google, Walmart, etc, fund BLM with hundreds of millions of dollars, what makes you think they don’t donate money as well to antifas on the quiet?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @BB753

    It's equally possible that some of that corporate money is funneled to Antifa via multiple layers and channels of intermediary organizations.

    Replies: @BB753

  97. @ThreeCranes
    @Clifford Brown

    I agree with the first three reply-ers. Hey, anyone. What is the law with regard to (what used to be called) invasion of personal space?

    When a woman gets three inches away from your face and screams spittle flecked curses at you, is she guilty of assault? Are you justified in pushing her away? Creating some distance?

    I ask because, obviously, these protesters believe that it's okay to yell as I described above, but when a cop touches them they react as though that is ASSAULT and they are incredulous, as though the other has no rights and is guilty of a criminal act.

    I'm seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Achmed E. Newman, @FPD72, @Chrisnonymous

    Call Jack D. His number’s on the billboards.

  98. @ThreeCranes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The Antifa just don't want to go to work. They're college aged young adults who have no meaningful job prospects. They're not particularly skilled at anything and balk at the prospect of competing with Mexicans for jobs as gardeners and such. They don't want to give up their skateboards, backpacks with exterior water bottle clips etc. They're not ready to abandon their "inner child" and become adults.

    But not only that. They sense that there is nothing out there for them. Society has no use for them. There are few challenging jobs for people with their levels of IQ. They're too smart to be garbage men (or fancy themselves as such) but too stupid to land a juicy sinecure. What's left? Protest at the unfairness of life, but disguise one's own failure by projecting your protest as concern for the other, the poor downtrodden black or hispanic minority.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree with your description of the guys on the street, 3-Cranes. They are the Commies of this century, just the same. Because they don’t have good prospects they want to bring it all down, thinking there is that better way that their predecessors could have told you about 100 years ago.

  99. @JohnnyWalker123
    George Soros and the rest of the Globalist Jewish cabal are at the top. They provide financing and strategic direction.

    The next level down are various mid-level managers of Jewish descent. They're basically handlers, who manage the street-level agitation. Lots of them are failure-to-launch types who didn't make it to medical or law school. They think that they'll satisfy their ambitious Jewish parents by making a name for themselves in Anti-Fa.

    The bottom tier are White gentile street fighters. These individuals are generally maladjusted and come from the fringe of society. Many suffer from mental illness and/or drug addiction. They typically don't have jobs, so they have lots of free time. They come from broken families and are socially isolated, so it's easy for the Jewish handlers to seduce them with offers of money, drugs, sex, and excitement. The Jewish handlers also appeal to their resentment of the mainstream society that rejected them.

    There are many Jews in elite positions in the various govt agencies, media, court system, corporate boadrooms, and other facets of the power structure. Also, many of the elite White Gentiles (and Non-Whites) take bribes from Jewish financiers. Many are even under various types of Epstein-style blackmail. So (((Anti-Fa))) is directly coordinating with them.

    (((Anti-Fa))) has a few goals.

    1. Make Trump look weak, which weakens his support with his base.
    2. Intimidate Conservatives into silence and, hopefully, even make them scared to vote for Trump.
    3. If they get really lucky, perhaps force some type of "Color Revolution" that removes Trump from office or forces him to flee.

    Once Biden is President and conservatives are totally beaten into submission, (((Anti-Fa))) will be called off.

    If they go off the reservation and start speaking truth to the power (Israel, Neocons, Jewish billionaires), they'll be crushed. Liberals might not like this, but Moderate Democrats and Republicans will support this crackdown. Assuming the Democrats continue to be divided, the Jewish billionaire class and Jewish media will shift their support back to Republicans, who will be eager to get back into power.

    Trust me. The Jews have all this figured out.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    (((Anti-Fa))) has a few goals.

    1. Make Trump look weak, which weakens his support with his base.
    2. Intimidate Conservatives into silence and, hopefully, even make them scared to vote for Trump.
    3. If they get really lucky, perhaps force some type of “Color Revolution” that removes Trump from office or forces him to flee.

    I don’t think that is correct.

    The purpose of the owners of these “revolutionaries” is the more traditional “revolution” imho–and I do not think this is about Trump. I know it is tempting to “watch that squirrel” but the kleptocrats are more clever than that.

    I think these are just “tests”–to see how different local authorities respond, to make sure the mass media obeys its masters, to find out who can be manipulated and who cannot (within government, corporations, universities). Who can be forced to mouth the slogan? Who will bend the knee?
    What will the counter-revolutionaries do?

    A little voice in my head keeps saying the goal is a military dictatorship to “save the country”.

    If I am right the fake “revolution” will be ramping up (and then taking pauses) for several years to come–and when the elites decide the time is right they will strike.

    (Again my opinion, but I do not think the military dictatorship will be about ideology, it will be about centralizing power around the kleptocracy.)

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Justvisiting

    Definitely possible too.


    A little voice in my head keeps saying the goal is a military dictatorship to “save the country”.

     

    Within the realm of possibility. Especially with all the unemployment and public anger, there may need to be martial law to maintain the rule of the (((elites.)))
    , @Ozymandias
    @Justvisiting


    If I am right the fake “revolution” will be ramping up (and then taking pauses) for several years to come–and when the elites decide the time is right they will strike.
     
    The real test will be how can they neutralize the brown shirts when they take to the streets to confront the bolsheviks? A dangerous game to be sure.
  100. Leaderless is fake fake fake, this takes big league professional effort by people who have done this for a living for a long time – color revolution playbook. The state department probably has a 72 hour video training course on it.

    The first level analysis would be simply what facebook accounts are originating the protest events

    There are digital pages and groups that are saying “show up X place at Y time”. On facebook these are linked to a person and even when they are not you can usually tell who the admin is, they will be posting first person videos etc.

    Much of the antifa organization is out in the open and public – these people either have paid jobs or they are trying to promote themselves to get a paid job. Remember this is a capitalist, careerist “riot”, they have to be able to claim credit so they can self promote and monetize and/or get a (light skinned ofc) black boyfriend. Their bio just doesn’t say “i’m antifa” they say “i’m a program coordinator at (your local city) alliance for change” — but thats exactly what it is.

    So random online right wingers can identify the lowest tier of organizer pretty easily, from the comfort of your own home. 4 chan did this in the past but after they gave law enforcement everything on silver platter — pulled a rabbit out of their ass to track down Eric Clanton the bike lock adjunct and law enforcement did nothing, and he walked, they said fuck it. No point.

    Online right wing says red team would stomp in a civil war LMAO — these guys send a text and have troops coming in from 5 states over. You can’t get together a single buddy to drive a getaway car and be your alibi. They can learn weapons and tactics a lot faster than you can make friends willing to risk federal prison.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Not My Economy

    4 chan did this in the past but after they gave law enforcement everything on silver platter — pulled a rabbit out of their ass to track down Eric Clanton the bike lock adjunct and law enforcement did nothing, and he walked,

    Clanton got arrested and indicted. Then the legal system got busy.

    https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-takes-3-year-probation-deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case


    According to Alameda County Superior Court records, Clanton entered a “no contest” plea Wednesday to one misdemeanor battery charge. The felony charges against him were dismissed, and an allegation that he had caused serious bodily injury was stricken. A misdemeanor charge that Clanton wore a mask during the commission of the crime also was dropped.
     

    Clanton’s three years of probation begin Wednesday and last through Aug. 8, 2021.
     
    Multiple felonies dropped down to one misdemeanor. Nice work if you shop for the right judge.

    But also temember how Soros has been funding District Attorney races? DA's are the people who prosecute crimes and cut plea deals. Not saying that happened here, but the DA matters in any town. Working on a city political campaign for a DA can be pretty tedious and boring. Not the sort of thing Men of Action who comment endlessly on the internet would want to do.

    But keeping leftards out of the DA's office really is more important than scoring off one more comment, or posting yet another cat picture. Ask Eric Clanton, he knows. And the effect of "bash imaginary fash, get arrested, then walk" has a chilling effect way beyond the local, as the autusts of 4chan might admit.
    , @ATBOTL
    @Not My Economy


    They can learn weapons and tactics a lot faster than you can make friends willing to risk federal prison.
     
    Every single person on the right needs to understand this. The hard part of warfare is the organization, not learning to shoot guns.
  101. I seem to remember that back in the good old days, when the FBI got interested in violent criminal groups operating in America, they took steps to know more about them. I guess that doesn’t happen anymore.

    Another thing I seem to recall is that you could just figure out where there would be a big mass of Antifa burning and beating people up and whatever else they do. Then, you’d have like about 5,000 national guardsmen ready and you’d basically scoop EVERYONE up and then start identifying every person, who they were, where are they from, what citizenship, etc. And you’d talk with other police in other countries, like Interpol or whatever they have over there.

    But, since as a nation we basically just lay back and try to enjoy whatever penetrations may occur, it’s unlikely we will ever know ANYTHING about Antifa. So, enjoy your speculations.

  102. @Dave Pinsen
    Another question is why federal cops have limited themselves mainly to CS gas and paintball pellets in response. Why not rubber bullets, or at least water cannons?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Percy Gryce, @Pooh

    Seeing all the gas masks and leaf blowers, I’ve too wondered where are the water cannons.

  103. Southern California law enforcement agencies over the last dozen years has gotten adept at teaming up across municipal and jurisdictional boundaries to use RICO to roll up entire black and Latino street gangs in a single day.

    There’s actually case law in California under which a gang can be considered an “unincorporated association,” a designation usually reserved for bowling leagues and garden clubs, and thus can be held responsible collectively.

  104. @Neoconned
    @Kronos

    Are there any right wing private security firms that may have command structure diagrams of these groups?

    Replies: @Kronos

  105. @ThreeCranes
    @Clifford Brown

    I agree with the first three reply-ers. Hey, anyone. What is the law with regard to (what used to be called) invasion of personal space?

    When a woman gets three inches away from your face and screams spittle flecked curses at you, is she guilty of assault? Are you justified in pushing her away? Creating some distance?

    I ask because, obviously, these protesters believe that it's okay to yell as I described above, but when a cop touches them they react as though that is ASSAULT and they are incredulous, as though the other has no rights and is guilty of a criminal act.

    I'm seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Achmed E. Newman, @FPD72, @Chrisnonymous

    I’m seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?

    If you just smile at a Native American who approaches you and beats on a drum two inches from your face you’ll be convicted in the court of public opinion.

  106. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Andy Ngô has documented organized medics and ambulances for Antifa in Portland:

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1287112026393702400

    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Justvisiting, @Stebbing Heuer

    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?

    Possibly all three. They share the wish to defeat Trump this November.

    Soros impresses me as the Willi Münzenberg of the twenty-first century. His modus operandi has been, like Münzenberg’s, to promote and support the left around the world, even as he has acquired the wealth to do so, not by doing anything productive, but rather by currency manipulation.

    Such transactions could easily be structured to be a conduit of funds to an an agent of influence. Could this be the real source of Soros’s billions? The covert involvement of a central bank such as China’s in undermining the currency of a rival nation could be decisive, while blaming or crediting a highly visible speculator like Soros for the result would deflect attention from, and provide cover for, the primary actor and beneficiary.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Crawfurdmuir


    Soros impresses me as the Willi Münzenberg of the twenty-first century. His modus operandi has been, like Münzenberg’s, to promote and support the left around the world, even as he has acquired the wealth to do so, not by doing anything productive, but rather by currency manipulation.
     
    I was listening to "Those Were the Days" yesterday (https://wdcb.org/) and they had on this adaption of F. Scott Fitzgerald's short story "A Diamond as Big as the Ritz" which I think is appropo in regards to GS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvCLWtn7-cE
    , @El Dato
    @Crawfurdmuir


    The covert involvement of a central bank such as China’s in undermining the currency of a rival nation
     
    That doesn't work that way because China doesn't print dollars. The currency of the US is being fully undermined by the Fed.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

  107. @Crawfurdmuir
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?
     

    Possibly all three. They share the wish to defeat Trump this November.

    Soros impresses me as the Willi Münzenberg of the twenty-first century. His modus operandi has been, like Münzenberg's, to promote and support the left around the world, even as he has acquired the wealth to do so, not by doing anything productive, but rather by currency manipulation.

    Such transactions could easily be structured to be a conduit of funds to an an agent of influence. Could this be the real source of Soros's billions? The covert involvement of a central bank such as China's in undermining the currency of a rival nation could be decisive, while blaming or crediting a highly visible speculator like Soros for the result would deflect attention from, and provide cover for, the primary actor and beneficiary.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @El Dato

    Soros impresses me as the Willi Münzenberg of the twenty-first century. His modus operandi has been, like Münzenberg’s, to promote and support the left around the world, even as he has acquired the wealth to do so, not by doing anything productive, but rather by currency manipulation.

    I was listening to “Those Were the Days” yesterday (https://wdcb.org/) and they had on this adaption of F. Scott Fitzgerald’s short story “A Diamond as Big as the Ritz” which I think is appropo in regards to GS.

  108. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    Interesting, but what evidence do you have that the “FBI and the CIA have long term contracts with (Antifa)” ?

    I am not necessarily disagreeing, I just want to know more.

  109. @Anonymous
    Oh please. It's not just the media. Trump admin & agencies are doing bare minimum actions against Antifa.

    Trump has a long documented track record of not giving a damn about any Antifa investigations let alone prosecutions.

    We're 3.5 years into this shitshow and people still can't grok just who Donald Trump is. He's a casino operator at heart. His core political belief is SAY ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED. Take the most cynical person you've ever known and multiply X 1000.

    Trump loves Antifa. Antifa was critical for his success in 2016 and 2020 looks even better. Whatever it takes to scare the suburban moms into voting for Trump.

    Look for arm waving and hot rhetoric from the white house. Sporadic arrests. It's theater. If it were maga people rioting looting burning they would've been body slammed with dragnets and rico prosecutions right away.

    These riots are going to build and climax on Halloween.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    These riots are going to build and climax on Halloween.

    Not Halloween, Devil’s Night.

  110. @Crawfurdmuir
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?
     

    Possibly all three. They share the wish to defeat Trump this November.

    Soros impresses me as the Willi Münzenberg of the twenty-first century. His modus operandi has been, like Münzenberg's, to promote and support the left around the world, even as he has acquired the wealth to do so, not by doing anything productive, but rather by currency manipulation.

    Such transactions could easily be structured to be a conduit of funds to an an agent of influence. Could this be the real source of Soros's billions? The covert involvement of a central bank such as China's in undermining the currency of a rival nation could be decisive, while blaming or crediting a highly visible speculator like Soros for the result would deflect attention from, and provide cover for, the primary actor and beneficiary.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @El Dato

    The covert involvement of a central bank such as China’s in undermining the currency of a rival nation

    That doesn’t work that way because China doesn’t print dollars. The currency of the US is being fully undermined by the Fed.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @El Dato


    That doesn’t work that way because China doesn’t print dollars. The currency of the US is being fully undermined by the Fed.
     
    You miss the point. Of course, the Fed has inflated the dollar. However, there are other ways to undermine it.

    A currency speculator like Soros bets against the value of a foreign currency - he has done this with both the British and the French currency - by short selling. He or his sponsor doesn't need to "print dollars" (or pounds, or francs). All they need to do is to drive the market down in them. As short interest rises the downward maker pressure increases.. The profits come in the form of a fall in the exchange rate between the targeted currency and some other currency in which the speculator holds long positions. Encouraging instability and chaos in a nation's politics and economy is a good way to precipitate a fall in the value of its currency or its securities.

    A foreign central bank could, by its own trading activity, do the same thing, but whatever profit it made could not so easily be diverted into political activity in other countries. If, for example, China wishes to influence American politics, a perfect conduit for money to support its schemes is someone like Soros. He can make direct contributions to campaigns and set up dozens of "dark money" entities to support various activities in ways that a foreign national could not.

    My suggestion is that maybe Soros's billions from currency trading were made for him with the aid of some foreign patron in the same way that Hillary Clinton's profits from cattle futures trading were made for her with the help of her husband's Arkansas cronies.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

  111. @Sean
    No judge is going to issue a warrant for the mass jailing of college kids in hellhole prisons because they were protesting against Trump, and a RICO indictment would not stand up in the way it can against the Mafia. Joining Costa Nostra means taking an oath that you agree to commit killings as required to by your supervisor, and never betray the organisation. Being 'made' (allowed to take that oath) until very recently meant you must have already committed a murder-to-order to prove yourself. Neighbourhood and prison gangs have similar induction protocols. And their members never have clean records. So affiliated clandestine criminals are easy for the FBI.

    But Antifa are self appointed public vigilantes drawn from a certain personality type of the educated classes that cannot accept superior IQ and self control (not excluding their own) is hereditary, and loathes whiteness as a scheme of racial hierarchy. As a result, Antifa enchew structural hierarchy. Which is why they're more like termites without a central brain bug controlling the nest, yet nevertheless exhibiting emergent behaviour that achieves astounding things. Also, they sense the legal and political establishment opinion is anti-Trump, and there was a lockdown. Cue for innocuous grasshoppers turning into a swarm of locusts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Long, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    I watched about an hour of a live stream on YouTube from Seattle last night.

    Although the message is dangerous: a more sad sack pathetic group of individuals I’ve never seen.

    In addition, most looked extremely unhealthy.

    I had to laugh when the guy streaming the shots said all he smelled was weed everywhere.

    My 8th grade football team would have kicked all their asses! Lol

    • Replies: @anon
    @John Long

    My 8th grade football team would have kicked all their asses!

    Where is your 8th grade football team now?

  112. Well, speak of the devil-

    Soros Says ‘Trump Will Disappear In 2020 Or Sooner’ In Ominous Message

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/soros-says-trump-will-disappear-2020-or-sooner-ominous-message

    Don’t worry though, my Instagram shows me the 20-something trust fund thotties are having a great summer at their villas in Mykonos – pool parties, 24 hr DJs, no masks, and no social distancing.

  113. @Mr. Anon
    OT, File this under: All the Worlds problems can now be found in America.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-Armenian-school-community-center-vandalized-15434127.php

    SF Armenian school, community center vandalized with hateful graffiti

    San Francisco's KZV Armenian School and the adjacent Armenian community center were vandalized with hateful graffiti and discovered by appalled community members on Friday.

    "As I came today at 8 this morning, I saw the graffiti on the walls. I was shocked. I was appalled," school principal Grace Andonian told KTVU. "The community is in shock. Our families, students, alumni, they were all in shock to see these hate messages on the wall."

    The messages contained curse words and appeared to be connected to increased tensions between Azerbaijan and Armenia over a recent border dispute, a spat that has led to confrontations in the United States. Earlier this week, one person was arrested and several people were injured after protests turned violent outside the Azerbaijan Consulate in Los Angeles.
     
    Remember, diversity doesn't just bring us great restaurants, but also ancient grievances imported from foreign lands!

    Replies: @Rob McX, @duncsbaby, @Jane Plain, @Known Fact

    These cowards woudn’t dare mess with Armenian-Americans when Mike Connors — born Krekor Ohanian — was still around!

  114. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Andy Ngô has documented organized medics and ambulances for Antifa in Portland:

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1287112026393702400

    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Justvisiting, @Stebbing Heuer

  115. @Thomas
    @Kronos

    Some of the leadership will no doubt get bought off with "community organizer" gigs. In 10 years, probably putting "Antifa organizer, 2017-2020" on LinkedIn will probably be a thing for some of them.

    Don't expect the drug-addicted weirdos you keep seeing in mugshots to do much of anything though without direction from above. They'll go back to spanging for change, stints in jail, or whatever else they were doing before.

    Replies: @Kronos

    Don’t expect the drug-addicted weirdos you keep seeing in mugshots to do much of anything though without direction from above. They’ll go back to spanging for change, stints in jail, or whatever else they were doing before.

    Should we start calling them “legal fodder?”

  116. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    There are right wing news outlets like Fox News, but there's a lack of genuine investigative journalists that will do deep investigations into stories from the political right. I highly recommend this post from Harsanyi on the lack of right-wing investigative journalism: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-rant-against-the-media/. One snippet:

    Now, I wish conservatives would build their own journalistic outfits to proactively chase down big stories and, in part, dictate the conversation. I’ve never understood why more big donors, and there are plenty of them, haven’t diverted dollars from political candidates, think tanks, and PACs to help build a reliable and serious conservative news infrastructure.

    As National Review alum Daniel Foster notes: “The left has a dozen nonprofit ‘investigative journalism’ nonprofits whose work is treated as completely neutral and unimpeachable by the Post, the Times. The attributions are ‘a watchdog group reports’ etc.” There’s no reason the Right couldn’t create a competing network.

     

    If there were well funded investigative journalists on the right, they could absolutely expose the funding and organization infrastructure behind Antifa and related groups. If groups with many millions are exposed to be involved in coordinating street violence and looting, they will be held financially and legally responsible which would be a giant game changer.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @SFG, @Anonymous

    There’s no right-wing investigative journalism because the “conservative” establishment is based around the economic and foreign policy agenda of neocons, corporations and billionaires. The last thing they want is an honest media.

    It’s the same reason there’s not a single pro-white, or “national conservative” group with even 1% the funding of the SPLC or the huge universe of Jewish groups.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonymous

    Not so. See James O'Keefe, among others.

  117. @Jane Plain
    @DanHessinMD

    All of the numbers in NJ, NY, and CT are polluted, tainted, and skewed by the nursing home scandal.

    https://www.wamc.org/post/legislature-hold-hearings-covid-19-deaths-nys-nursing-homes

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    All of the numbers in NJ, NY, and CT are polluted, tainted, and skewed by the nursing home scandal.

    All numbers from NY are politicized and suspect.

    Another example-

    Cuomo’s list of quarantine states doesn’t follow his numeric guidelines for inclusion at all.

    Michigan exceeds the NY limit on the number of cases per 100k population, yet it is not on the NY list.

    I wonder why that is?

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Cuomo is shtupping Whitmer?

  118. Very nice to see iSteve give my comments such prominence.

    While I don’t agree that Trump or the RNC is actively supporting BLM or antifa (other than benign neglect, it seems) I have now come to think of these nightly riots as the 2020 version of the old Trump airport hanger rallies. Trump doesn’t have to appear, just let the public see the alternative.

    While it might not be totally original with me (how modest I am!) after writing it I thought that tagging antifa as the Biden militia was spot on. That is their intended effect, despite the trappings of extreme left anarchism (i.e. nihilism). “Infantile leftism” as Mr. Lenin himself deemed them.

    So far as I know Biden himself has never said a harsh word about BLM or antifa and if he’s condemned the rioting/looting it has barely been heard or seen by anyone. Where are his basement tapes?

    Finally, one comment here struck me as very worrisome. The use of antifa as a post-election Biden paramilitary thug force. What we see in Africa, Latin America and historically, elsewhere is the creation or magnification of a pro-Marxist/commie “youth wing” or party “auxiliary” into a semi official state supported gangster organization. In Nicaragua and Venezuela (and Zimbabwe, especially) these violent government backed gangs are armed and protected by the party rulers. They are used to attack opposition groups, rallies against the government and individual dissidents who speak out.

    Normally such fears about a ragtag group of would-be revolutionaries here in the US strikes me as late night, half drunk paranoia. But after the spring and summer we’re having, and Sauron gazing quietly from his basement window well biding his time, I don’t consider this as over-the-top. After all, who are we being told is going to replace all of those now unemployed police?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Muggles

    You're the ordnance expert, but isn't it "airport hangar"?

    Still waiting to hear back from you about that apostrophe, too.

  119. @BB753
    If corporations like Microsoft, Google, Walmart, etc, fund BLM with hundreds of millions of dollars, what makes you think they don't donate money as well to antifas on the quiet?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    It’s equally possible that some of that corporate money is funneled to Antifa via multiple layers and channels of intermediary organizations.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Yes, NGOs and the like.

  120. @Thomas
    @J.Ross

    They will go away if Biden wins because there won't be any need for an unofficial branch of anything. The SJWs around Biden who will be really running things while he drools on himself in the Executive residence will have access to the Justice Department, FBI, IRS, and all the other tools of government Obama's administration was all too eager to use against their political enemies, even against an incoming President. With those things, there's no need for a self-initiated guerrilla movement of lowlifes on the streets.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    And if they do go away then Biden looks like an effective leader and “healer.” The Left WILL run wild if Biden wins, but as of early 2021 they won’t have to do it in the streets except to stay in practice.

    One narrative for 2021 does remain unclear if Biden wins — does COVID appear to get better or worse? Better and he’s a miracle worker; worse and they can crack down even more on the tattered remains of normal American life.

  121. @SFG
    @Massimo Heitor

    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn't want to pay for this stuff; they're happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I'd be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @ATBOTL

    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn’t want to pay for this stuff; they’re happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I’d be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

    With Antifa, a real investigative team could build databases of names of people involved, dig through public records, go on site and setup surveillance. find leads and dig into them, interview neighbors, etc.

    unz.com doesn’t do any of that. They host independent op-ed writers, which is great, but it’s limited.

    And the “average right-winger” isn’t gong to provide millions of dollars for serious investigative reporting. However, wealthy donors exist, they do invest into political projects. They could do this.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Massimo Heitor

    Also, how many would trust the findings of independent rightwing investigative journalists?

    In contrast, I don't ask readers to trust me on the facts -- I've put in, what, a 100,000 links over the years. I point out the patterns uniting and explaining these facts ascertained by others.

    But on Antifa I'm drawing a blank on this question of who they are because the MSM has been so allergic to even admitting their existence.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    , @BB753
    @Massimo Heitor

    You could do that, but you'd get in trouble with the FBI and the government, or whoever really runs antifas. Maybe you don't wanna know for your own safety.

  122. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not My Economy
    Leaderless is fake fake fake, this takes big league professional effort by people who have done this for a living for a long time - color revolution playbook. The state department probably has a 72 hour video training course on it.

    The first level analysis would be simply what facebook accounts are originating the protest events

    There are digital pages and groups that are saying "show up X place at Y time". On facebook these are linked to a person and even when they are not you can usually tell who the admin is, they will be posting first person videos etc.

    Much of the antifa organization is out in the open and public - these people either have paid jobs or they are trying to promote themselves to get a paid job. Remember this is a capitalist, careerist "riot", they have to be able to claim credit so they can self promote and monetize and/or get a (light skinned ofc) black boyfriend. Their bio just doesn't say "i'm antifa" they say "i'm a program coordinator at (your local city) alliance for change" -- but thats exactly what it is.

    So random online right wingers can identify the lowest tier of organizer pretty easily, from the comfort of your own home. 4 chan did this in the past but after they gave law enforcement everything on silver platter -- pulled a rabbit out of their ass to track down Eric Clanton the bike lock adjunct and law enforcement did nothing, and he walked, they said fuck it. No point.

    Online right wing says red team would stomp in a civil war LMAO -- these guys send a text and have troops coming in from 5 states over. You can't get together a single buddy to drive a getaway car and be your alibi. They can learn weapons and tactics a lot faster than you can make friends willing to risk federal prison.

    Replies: @anon, @ATBOTL

    4 chan did this in the past but after they gave law enforcement everything on silver platter — pulled a rabbit out of their ass to track down Eric Clanton the bike lock adjunct and law enforcement did nothing, and he walked,

    Clanton got arrested and indicted. Then the legal system got busy.

    https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-takes-3-year-probation-deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case

    According to Alameda County Superior Court records, Clanton entered a “no contest” plea Wednesday to one misdemeanor battery charge. The felony charges against him were dismissed, and an allegation that he had caused serious bodily injury was stricken. A misdemeanor charge that Clanton wore a mask during the commission of the crime also was dropped.

    Clanton’s three years of probation begin Wednesday and last through Aug. 8, 2021.

    Multiple felonies dropped down to one misdemeanor. Nice work if you shop for the right judge.

    But also temember how Soros has been funding District Attorney races? DA’s are the people who prosecute crimes and cut plea deals. Not saying that happened here, but the DA matters in any town. Working on a city political campaign for a DA can be pretty tedious and boring. Not the sort of thing Men of Action who comment endlessly on the internet would want to do.

    But keeping leftards out of the DA’s office really is more important than scoring off one more comment, or posting yet another cat picture. Ask Eric Clanton, he knows. And the effect of “bash imaginary fash, get arrested, then walk” has a chilling effect way beyond the local, as the autusts of 4chan might admit.

  123. @John Long
    @Sean

    I watched about an hour of a live stream on YouTube from Seattle last night.

    Although the message is dangerous: a more sad sack pathetic group of individuals I've never seen.

    In addition, most looked extremely unhealthy.

    I had to laugh when the guy streaming the shots said all he smelled was weed everywhere.

    My 8th grade football team would have kicked all their asses! Lol

    Replies: @anon

    My 8th grade football team would have kicked all their asses!

    Where is your 8th grade football team now?

  124. @Sean
    No judge is going to issue a warrant for the mass jailing of college kids in hellhole prisons because they were protesting against Trump, and a RICO indictment would not stand up in the way it can against the Mafia. Joining Costa Nostra means taking an oath that you agree to commit killings as required to by your supervisor, and never betray the organisation. Being 'made' (allowed to take that oath) until very recently meant you must have already committed a murder-to-order to prove yourself. Neighbourhood and prison gangs have similar induction protocols. And their members never have clean records. So affiliated clandestine criminals are easy for the FBI.

    But Antifa are self appointed public vigilantes drawn from a certain personality type of the educated classes that cannot accept superior IQ and self control (not excluding their own) is hereditary, and loathes whiteness as a scheme of racial hierarchy. As a result, Antifa enchew structural hierarchy. Which is why they're more like termites without a central brain bug controlling the nest, yet nevertheless exhibiting emergent behaviour that achieves astounding things. Also, they sense the legal and political establishment opinion is anti-Trump, and there was a lockdown. Cue for innocuous grasshoppers turning into a swarm of locusts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Long, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    Which is why they’re more like termites without a central brain bug controlling the nest

    “Antifants”

  125. SMK says: • Website
    @anon
    @Clifford Brown


    This woman just got arrested by the NYPD after yelling in a cop’s face
     
    Lol, stupid girl got arrested because she was issued a lawful order more than once to 'back up' and then decided to get all Stronk 'n Independent YouGoGirl by screaming "Or what? Or fucking what?" while advancing into the line of cops in deliberate defiance of a lawful order.

    So he showed her what - arrested for cause.

    Lulz!

    Many of these people are just stupid.

    Replies: @SMK

    An hysterical young woman is arrested because she was ordered to “back off” but refused to obey and continued to scream at police within a foot or two of their faces. During the 60 days of rioting in scores of cities after the death of Saint George, what percentage and number of males guilty of aggravated assaults, shootings and killings, blinding cops with lasers, attacking them with bottles of frozen waters and bricks and other weapons, arson, breaking the windows of police cars and businesses, arson, looting, or yelling in the faces of police -stereotypical violent and/or recidivist black criminals as well as BLM and Antifa terrorists- have been arrested. And what percentage and number of those arrested will be indicted and prosecuted, convicted at trial of under a plea-bargain, and sentenced to jail or prison, state or federal.

    • Replies: @anon
    @SMK

    An hysterical young woman is arrested because she was ordered to “back off” but refused to obey and continued to scream at police within a foot or two of their faces.

    Yeah, she was stupid.

    During the 60 days of rioting in scores of cities after the death of Saint George, what percentage and number of males guilty of aggravated assaults, shootings and killings, blinding cops with lasers, attacking them with bottles of frozen waters and bricks and other weapons, arson, breaking the windows of police cars and businesses, arson, looting, or yelling in the faces of police -stereotypical violent and/or recidivist black criminals as well as BLM and Antifa terrorists- have been arrested.

    I dunno.

    And what percentage and number of those arrested will be indicted and prosecuted, convicted at trial of under a plea-bargain, and sentenced to jail or prison, state or federal.

    I dunno.

    What's your point? Is the stupid girl who got arrested a friend or relative of yours?

    , @SMK
    @SMK

    My point, obviously, is that nearly all of the fatal and serious violence and destruction has been and will be committed by males, if and when the riots ever stop before or after the 2020 presidential election, and that few of them, only a small minority, have been arrested, and fewer will be prosecuted, convicted, and jailed and imprisoned.

    Replies: @anon

  126. @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Most women not having children isn't necessarily a bad thing. Contrast the Western, Northern European pattern of nuptiality with that of Asiatic and African societies. Eugenics on the X chromosome is what produced the superiority of the so-called white race. The inferiority of societies where European Y chromosomes predominate in a substrate of X chromosomes from conquered populations also proves the converse (e.g. Latin America). The white woman is key, but she must be controlled.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Most women not having children isn’t necessarily a bad thing.”

    It is when

    a) native British women aren’t reproducing at replacement levels
    c) the dimmest Brit women reproduce the most
    d) the brightest reproduce the least
    e) immigrant women have much higher birthrates, and they are arriving in six-figure numbers every year

    I rather like the Brits, and would prefer to live among them.

    • Agree: Rob McX
  127. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    You’re right. The federal government is allowing them to do what they do. I’ve suspected it for years.

  128. RT reports on “White Helmet” levels of MSM praise for Portland Antifants:

    Riots are driving Portland’s small businesses under, but mainstream media wants to sell you a different story

    The Washington post was even more effusive in its praise, describing the feds’ use of tear gas as a “chemical weapon,” and honoring the moms, dads, teachers and healthcare workers who refuse to disperse and willingly stride into the choking fumes. The motives of the protesters – beyond vague demands for “racial justice” – are never explained, but the Post painted a truly heroic image of one man using a leaf blower to fire gas back at the agents.

    “A man with a leaf blower strapped to his back snuffed out a lit cigarette and sighed. ‘Well,’ he said to himself. ‘Time to get gassed again.’ He revved up the machine, adjusted its straps and marched forward into the gathering fog,” the Post gushed in epic fashion.

    The Washington Post’s story ends as the brave blower walks into the maelstrom like a doomed war hero of old. But when the sun rises and the smoke clears, it’ll be regular Portlanders sweeping away the trash, scrubbing the graffiti, and living with the consequences of an activist movement that many say has long forgotten why it started.

    This is accompanied by

    A ‘wall of moms’ protests in downtown Portland as the city experiences another night of unrest on July 25, 2020 © AFP/ Spencer Platt

    Remember those images from Syria with the 6 yo boy working in a “righteous rebel” munitions factory? Fake, set up, complete with props and lighting. All of this shit walks the same, stinks the same.

  129. @El Dato
    @Crawfurdmuir


    The covert involvement of a central bank such as China’s in undermining the currency of a rival nation
     
    That doesn't work that way because China doesn't print dollars. The currency of the US is being fully undermined by the Fed.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    That doesn’t work that way because China doesn’t print dollars. The currency of the US is being fully undermined by the Fed.

    You miss the point. Of course, the Fed has inflated the dollar. However, there are other ways to undermine it.

    A currency speculator like Soros bets against the value of a foreign currency – he has done this with both the British and the French currency – by short selling. He or his sponsor doesn’t need to “print dollars” (or pounds, or francs). All they need to do is to drive the market down in them. As short interest rises the downward maker pressure increases.. The profits come in the form of a fall in the exchange rate between the targeted currency and some other currency in which the speculator holds long positions. Encouraging instability and chaos in a nation’s politics and economy is a good way to precipitate a fall in the value of its currency or its securities.

    A foreign central bank could, by its own trading activity, do the same thing, but whatever profit it made could not so easily be diverted into political activity in other countries. If, for example, China wishes to influence American politics, a perfect conduit for money to support its schemes is someone like Soros. He can make direct contributions to campaigns and set up dozens of “dark money” entities to support various activities in ways that a foreign national could not.

    My suggestion is that maybe Soros’s billions from currency trading were made for him with the aid of some foreign patron in the same way that Hillary Clinton’s profits from cattle futures trading were made for her with the help of her husband’s Arkansas cronies.

    • Thanks: El Dato
    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @Crawfurdmuir


    As short interest rises the downward maker pressure increases..
     
    That should have read "As short interest rises the downward market pressure increases."
  130. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    The feds are on the side of Antifa/BLM. You won’t see FBI, JTTF, or other federal agents working against or rounding up Antifa/BLM terrorists. And while the USMS has protected the inside of the federal courthouse it’s been only the red-headed stepchild of federal law enforcement, CPB/ICE officers/agents, who have been trying t0 enforce law in places like Portland. The FBI* is the new Cheka and is secretly passing intel to Antifa/BLM leaders about the DHS/ICE/CPB/FPS operations, including the names of the DHS federal officers operating in places like Portland.


    https://www.newsweek.com/38-police-officers-have-been-doxxed-during-protests-portland-dhs-says-1519530

    38 Police Officers Have Been Doxxed During Protests in Portland, DHS Says

    BY DANIEL VILLARREAL
    7/21/20

    During a Tuesday briefing, a Department of Homeland Security official said that 38 law enforcement officers in Portland, Oregon, were doxxed amid ongoing protests in the area. DHS referred to those who did the alleged doxxing as "radicals."

    Doxing typically refers to the release of personal information like addresses and phone numbers online. The extent of what information was published relating to Portland police was not immediately clear...
     

    *The FBI works closely with other intel agencies in domestic spying operations. They have clandestine centers (apart from official operations, field offices, etc.) where they work closely together.

    Replies: @El Dato

    That comes from having a competitive salad of “security services” connected to the money spigot firmly in the grip of Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

    It’s like the terminal cancer of the Third Reich – Who will get to sit on the rapidly descending Reich Throne Elevator? Goering, Goebbels, Himmler, Bormann, Dönitz? And does it even matter? You won’t even get to have the poor Wolfshund thrown in because it got poisoned.

    Even the semi-official history of 9/11 was basically people dropping the ball because they were mostly interested in scoring political points, covering their ass or cowering before higher-ups. That’s been 20 years ago and things haven’t gotten better.

  131. @Crawfurdmuir
    @El Dato


    That doesn’t work that way because China doesn’t print dollars. The currency of the US is being fully undermined by the Fed.
     
    You miss the point. Of course, the Fed has inflated the dollar. However, there are other ways to undermine it.

    A currency speculator like Soros bets against the value of a foreign currency - he has done this with both the British and the French currency - by short selling. He or his sponsor doesn't need to "print dollars" (or pounds, or francs). All they need to do is to drive the market down in them. As short interest rises the downward maker pressure increases.. The profits come in the form of a fall in the exchange rate between the targeted currency and some other currency in which the speculator holds long positions. Encouraging instability and chaos in a nation's politics and economy is a good way to precipitate a fall in the value of its currency or its securities.

    A foreign central bank could, by its own trading activity, do the same thing, but whatever profit it made could not so easily be diverted into political activity in other countries. If, for example, China wishes to influence American politics, a perfect conduit for money to support its schemes is someone like Soros. He can make direct contributions to campaigns and set up dozens of "dark money" entities to support various activities in ways that a foreign national could not.

    My suggestion is that maybe Soros's billions from currency trading were made for him with the aid of some foreign patron in the same way that Hillary Clinton's profits from cattle futures trading were made for her with the help of her husband's Arkansas cronies.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    As short interest rises the downward maker pressure increases..

    That should have read “As short interest rises the downward market pressure increases.”

  132. Does Biden have a plan to put Antifa back on ice as soon as he wins?

    If the funding disappears, along with the skilled organisers who have been infiltrated into Antifa, half the job will be done.

  133. #NewHeatherHeyerDetected

    https://twitter.com/Oskaer__13/status/1287296725615382529

    The hyperbole is already at 600 PSI and climbing.

  134. @Sean
    No judge is going to issue a warrant for the mass jailing of college kids in hellhole prisons because they were protesting against Trump, and a RICO indictment would not stand up in the way it can against the Mafia. Joining Costa Nostra means taking an oath that you agree to commit killings as required to by your supervisor, and never betray the organisation. Being 'made' (allowed to take that oath) until very recently meant you must have already committed a murder-to-order to prove yourself. Neighbourhood and prison gangs have similar induction protocols. And their members never have clean records. So affiliated clandestine criminals are easy for the FBI.

    But Antifa are self appointed public vigilantes drawn from a certain personality type of the educated classes that cannot accept superior IQ and self control (not excluding their own) is hereditary, and loathes whiteness as a scheme of racial hierarchy. As a result, Antifa enchew structural hierarchy. Which is why they're more like termites without a central brain bug controlling the nest, yet nevertheless exhibiting emergent behaviour that achieves astounding things. Also, they sense the legal and political establishment opinion is anti-Trump, and there was a lockdown. Cue for innocuous grasshoppers turning into a swarm of locusts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @John Long, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    They should jail these college students, though.

    Ironically Antifa may be proving one of the concepts they are out in the streets to bring attention to- white privilege, or at least white upper middle class privilege

    Organized Muslims with paramilitary gear in Dearborn attacking a federal courthouse like these college Antifa kids are in Portland would have already been carted off somewhere….

    Send them to jail and make their parents pay the bills.

  135. @ThreeCranes
    @Clifford Brown

    I agree with the first three reply-ers. Hey, anyone. What is the law with regard to (what used to be called) invasion of personal space?

    When a woman gets three inches away from your face and screams spittle flecked curses at you, is she guilty of assault? Are you justified in pushing her away? Creating some distance?

    I ask because, obviously, these protesters believe that it's okay to yell as I described above, but when a cop touches them they react as though that is ASSAULT and they are incredulous, as though the other has no rights and is guilty of a criminal act.

    I'm seriously asking this. What rights does an individual have if someone is literally in their face? Anyone know? If you push them away are you the guilty party? Will they win a court case against you?

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Achmed E. Newman, @FPD72, @Chrisnonymous

    Unfortunately, the reality is that it depends. It depends on how the police react, how prosecutors react, and how judges react. The idea of just “following the law” and “I have rights” is an ideal but not a reality. If recent history is any guide, you have to tread much more carefully as a conservative. Things people on the left can do with impunity may get you jail time.

  136. @OscarWildeLoveChild
    Antifa will win and become a political party and an actual, recognized party (as in, Superbowl Halftime commercials, 2021) if Biden wins. And Dancing with the Clintons on the DNC stage come summer/ fall of 2023 (Don't, stop, thinkin' about tomorrow..." Cascading balloons and all). So much fun!

    They're here to stay, co-opted by the deep state. I stand by my prediction they will become an overtly pro-white organization (socialist) in the near future (within 10 years), co-opted by the state and some (((nomads))).

    It's gona be lit !

    Replies: @ia

    They’re here to stay, co-opted by the deep state. I stand by my prediction they will become an overtly pro-white organization

    Interesting, but why would Deep State co-opt white identity? You think they are getting worried about POC?

  137. @Massimo Heitor
    @SFG


    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn’t want to pay for this stuff; they’re happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I’d be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

     

    With Antifa, a real investigative team could build databases of names of people involved, dig through public records, go on site and setup surveillance. find leads and dig into them, interview neighbors, etc.

    unz.com doesn't do any of that. They host independent op-ed writers, which is great, but it's limited.

    And the "average right-winger" isn't gong to provide millions of dollars for serious investigative reporting. However, wealthy donors exist, they do invest into political projects. They could do this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BB753

    Also, how many would trust the findings of independent rightwing investigative journalists?

    In contrast, I don’t ask readers to trust me on the facts — I’ve put in, what, a 100,000 links over the years. I point out the patterns uniting and explaining these facts ascertained by others.

    But on Antifa I’m drawing a blank on this question of who they are because the MSM has been so allergic to even admitting their existence.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @Steve Sailer


    Also, how many would trust the findings of independent rightwing investigative journalists?
     
    The political left will try to suppress or undermine any findings of rightwing investigative journalists. But as Harsanyi says, "If conservative journalists do solid work — with sourcing and reliable information –these efforts, while they would still be pooh-poohed by institutional media, would be far more difficult to dismiss."

    This has happened. The Killian Document Controversy comes to mind, where some rogue right wing IJ, did some brilliant sleuthing, exposed the giant controversy, and justifiably tarnished Dan Rather's career. Of course, the left tried to suppress or undermine the story, but it was too strong.

    And that was infamously just a few people sitting at their home computers "in their pajamas". That's great, but there are limits to what a few people can do from a laptop. A lot of good investigation requires getting on site, interviewing people in person, doing on site video surveillance, digging through leads, interviewing officials, etc.


    But on Antifa I’m drawing a blank on this question of who they are because the MSM has been so allergic to even admitting their existence.
     
    The left wing media is not interested in exposing the organization behind Antifa, and that's their choice. The right should form it's own investigation network, and do it right, not complain about the bias of left wing investigators.

    In contrast, I don’t ask readers to trust me on the facts — I’ve put in, what, a 100,000 links over the years. I point out the patterns uniting and explaining these facts ascertained by others.
     
    Steve Sailer is a leading independent journalist of the right. He's moved the conversation. But Sailer is just a single at home, pajama laptop journalist. He doesn't hit the streets and interview the right people and take the right video surveillance.

    Steve Sailer should lead efforts to finance teams of serious right wing investigative journalists. Have a real plan. Court the big donors. Do the investigations that the left-wing investigators choose not to do. As Harsanyi says, "they would produce far more meaningful investigative journalism, for no other reason than that there is so much uncovered ground."

    One alternative to big donors, is to do the vox.com approach, and build a revenue stream based on video games, food blogging, and gadget blogging, and use that to finance the political investigative journalism.

  138. @Hibernian
    Mike Adams, a fairly well known conservative gadfly who had just reached a settlement in a long running legal battle with the uni which employed him as a professor, was found dead of a gunshot wound in his own home. He had guns in the house and was “erratic.” (You would be too, if you’d run the gauntlet he’d run.) Also had many enemies. (Surprise, surprise.) Suicide or homicide? No one’s saying. No details released.

    He was found Thursday mid-afternoon; there’s been enough time to notify next of kin. After a few very bad taste “obituaries” from leftist media outlets, now, crickets. I’d say the cops (fortunately a rural sheriff’s dept. in a coastal community, that’s not like a liberal urban police department, but not the stereotypical rural Southern backwater sheriff’s office) is conducting a homicide investigation and keeping info under wraps for obvious reasons. No word of funeral arrangements. He was well liked by his students.

    https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/07/23/new-hanover-sheriffs-office-investigating-death-of-uncw-professor-mike-adams/

    Replies: @captflee

    I look forward to the day when the YMCA fitness center re-opens and I can speak with the local lobotomy box station’s prime time male anchor regarding his and his station’s (and Gray Media’s) relentless hounding of Prof. Adams over the years, and inquire of him if he felt any responsibility at all for the denouement of their little Maoist morality play, irrespective of whose finger was on the trigger. I’d like to think he possesses a soul, but would not be shocked to discover otherwise.

    I have high expectations for a fair and thorough investigation from Sheriff McMahon’s office. Amidst the otherwise chaotic operations of much of the county government, the Sheriff’s Office and EMS operations are paragons of effectiveness, placing quite well nationally, according to various accreditation agencies. The Sheriff’s one of the few, and diminishing, Democrats for which I could stomach to vote last time.

    There is the comforting thought that, should the investigation suggest something other than suicide, the Soros backed AG is ready to step in. Certainly calms my apprehensions…

  139. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @BB753

    It's equally possible that some of that corporate money is funneled to Antifa via multiple layers and channels of intermediary organizations.

    Replies: @BB753

    Yes, NGOs and the like.

  140. @Massimo Heitor
    @SFG


    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn’t want to pay for this stuff; they’re happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I’d be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

     

    With Antifa, a real investigative team could build databases of names of people involved, dig through public records, go on site and setup surveillance. find leads and dig into them, interview neighbors, etc.

    unz.com doesn't do any of that. They host independent op-ed writers, which is great, but it's limited.

    And the "average right-winger" isn't gong to provide millions of dollars for serious investigative reporting. However, wealthy donors exist, they do invest into political projects. They could do this.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BB753

    You could do that, but you’d get in trouble with the FBI and the government, or whoever really runs antifas. Maybe you don’t wanna know for your own safety.

  141. @Anonymous
    We have the means but lack the will. For all of it.

    Why is Trump sending federal officers to arrest the rioterd instead of arresting the mayors and city councilmen who have instructed the police to only arrest right-wing protesters? That is patently illegal and a violation of the civil rights of the arrestees, a crime which carries a ten year sentence.

    Didn't the FBI infiltrate the NOPD in the eighties because of such blatant corruption? Where is Barr? Where is Trump? Uh huh.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Nicholas Stix

    “We have the means but lack the will. For all of it.”

    Trump doesn’t want to offend the delicate sensibilities of the suburban Goodwhite soccer moms by resorting to the amount of violence that’s really necessary to get the job done.

  142. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @SMK
    @anon

    An hysterical young woman is arrested because she was ordered to "back off" but refused to obey and continued to scream at police within a foot or two of their faces. During the 60 days of rioting in scores of cities after the death of Saint George, what percentage and number of males guilty of aggravated assaults, shootings and killings, blinding cops with lasers, attacking them with bottles of frozen waters and bricks and other weapons, arson, breaking the windows of police cars and businesses, arson, looting, or yelling in the faces of police -stereotypical violent and/or recidivist black criminals as well as BLM and Antifa terrorists- have been arrested. And what percentage and number of those arrested will be indicted and prosecuted, convicted at trial of under a plea-bargain, and sentenced to jail or prison, state or federal.

    Replies: @anon, @SMK

    An hysterical young woman is arrested because she was ordered to “back off” but refused to obey and continued to scream at police within a foot or two of their faces.

    Yeah, she was stupid.

    During the 60 days of rioting in scores of cities after the death of Saint George, what percentage and number of males guilty of aggravated assaults, shootings and killings, blinding cops with lasers, attacking them with bottles of frozen waters and bricks and other weapons, arson, breaking the windows of police cars and businesses, arson, looting, or yelling in the faces of police -stereotypical violent and/or recidivist black criminals as well as BLM and Antifa terrorists- have been arrested.

    I dunno.

    And what percentage and number of those arrested will be indicted and prosecuted, convicted at trial of under a plea-bargain, and sentenced to jail or prison, state or federal.

    I dunno.

    What’s your point? Is the stupid girl who got arrested a friend or relative of yours?

  143. @Anonymous
    Crossing state lines to participate in a riot is a federal crime. Using the internet to organize a civil disturbance is organized crime aka racketeering. It's all federal jurisdiction.

    But look at what President Casino Operator and his kabuki FBI are doing in Portland OR ----- a city that just happens to sit across the state border from Vancouver WA.

    They are ignoring all of the rioters who are coming into Portland every weekend from out of state i.e. right next door in Vancouver. And elsewhere.

    If these were right wingers the feds would crush them. Do mass arrests and throw every out-of-stater into paddy wagons headed for some sort of nasty chain link fence watch tower federal processing facility in say the Easter Oregon desert.

    Wake up. Antifa has proteksia at the highest levels. Trump loves him some Antifa. So does Schumer and Pelosi. What a country!

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “If these were right wingers the feds would crush them.”

    That’s clearly true, as we have seen several times with much less lawless provocation. The real question is WHY? If Trump is just a Tweet producing, golf playing figurehead who is actually calling the shots? Is it Putin after all?

  144. About a month ago, a transparent liar of a local “reporter” was walking along with a demonstration in the streets of lower Manhattan. (The thugs took for granted that they had a right to bring rush-hour traffic to a standstill.) She expected viewers to believe that she had no idea how hundreds of people knew exactly where to show up.

    The Boss shouted at the TV, “Look at Facebook!”

  145. @Steve Sailer
    @duncsbaby

    Bob Dole was always a hearty supporter of the Armenian Caucus in Congress? Why because an Armenian-American doctor saved him from dying of the severe wounds he received 75 years ago. (Dole just turned 97.)

    Seems like a good enough reason.

    Replies: @ATBOTL

    Bob Dole was also a strong support of bombing Serbia so muslims could seize more territory in Europe by ethnically cleansing Christians. May Bob Dole burn in hell forever.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @ATBOTL

    seize more territory in Europe by ethnically cleansing Christians.

    Kosovar Albanians accounted for 90% of the population of the territory in question.

  146. @SFG
    @Massimo Heitor

    Tucker Carlson actually tried to do this back in the day with the Daily Caller. You can see how that wound up.

    The average right-winger doesn't want to pay for this stuff; they're happy with Fox News.

    If Ron Unz is reading this, I'd be curious to hear his opinion. He does this stuff for a living, after all.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @ATBOTL

    Didn’t Tucker create the Daily Caller along with Conservatism Inc. grifter types and then sell his stake in it?

    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @ATBOTL

    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.

    Whereas liberals/progressives like their news fake and with zero deviation from the narrative.

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @ATBOTL


    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.
     
    No. The problem is that good investigative journalism requires a lot of money to run and basically loses money. It's often dependent on wealthy donor support. And wealthy donors on the right haven't chosen to support good investigative journalism.

    There are plenty of conservatives who wish for good investigative journalism but they don't have millions of dollars that they are willing to donate to the cause.
  147. SMK says: • Website
    @SMK
    @anon

    An hysterical young woman is arrested because she was ordered to "back off" but refused to obey and continued to scream at police within a foot or two of their faces. During the 60 days of rioting in scores of cities after the death of Saint George, what percentage and number of males guilty of aggravated assaults, shootings and killings, blinding cops with lasers, attacking them with bottles of frozen waters and bricks and other weapons, arson, breaking the windows of police cars and businesses, arson, looting, or yelling in the faces of police -stereotypical violent and/or recidivist black criminals as well as BLM and Antifa terrorists- have been arrested. And what percentage and number of those arrested will be indicted and prosecuted, convicted at trial of under a plea-bargain, and sentenced to jail or prison, state or federal.

    Replies: @anon, @SMK

    My point, obviously, is that nearly all of the fatal and serious violence and destruction has been and will be committed by males, if and when the riots ever stop before or after the 2020 presidential election, and that few of them, only a small minority, have been arrested, and fewer will be prosecuted, convicted, and jailed and imprisoned.

    • Replies: @anon
    @SMK

    My point, obviously, is that nearly all of the fatal and serious violence and destruction has been and will be committed by males, if and when the riots ever stop before or after the 2020 presidential election, and that few of them, only a small minority, have been arrested, and fewer will be prosecuted, convicted, and jailed and imprisoned.

    Tautology.

    "Men do bad things" is not a point, it's not even competent trolling. What's your point?

  148. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, more related to the demographic disaster.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/conceptionandfertilityrates/bulletins/childbearingforwomenbornindifferentyearsenglandandwales/2018


    The average completed family size for women in England and Wales who reached age 45 years in 2018 (having been born in 1973) was 1.89 children per woman, unchanged from the previous cohort (women born in 1972); this is the lowest level since the series began.
     
    And remember this includes a large and fertile immigrant population. Last time native fertility was measured, in 2004, it was 1.6.

    Of the women who reached age 45 years in 2018, 19% were childless at the end of their childbearing years; this is more than double the proportion of childlessness (9%) in their mothers' generation born in 1946 but is similar to levels seen for women born since the late 1950s.

    By age 30 years, 53% of women born in 1973 had at least one child, compared with 82% for their mothers' generation.
     

    Unfortunately, this isn't something the MEN OF UNZ (© Alden) are capable of fixing by themselves.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/dog-thefts-lockdown-rise-kennels-a4508026.html


    “My dogs are priceless to me. They are my life. They are keeping me going. Other than that, what have I got to look forward to? I have no husband nor children. Luckily, I have lovely friends and family and two goddaughters. But my dogs are my babies."

     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Alden

    Said it before and I’ll say it again. If the MEN OF UNZ are so worried about White fertility make some White babies, and raise them so they can make more White babies as my husband, his brothers and their sons all did.

    My husband has 8 grandchildren and 1 great grandson whose father is 24 years old and already owns a home.

    So quit whining MEN OF UNZ get busy and found a dynasty if you’re so worried about White fertility. If you’re able to find a woman who’ll let you do the deed.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alden

    "get busy and found a dynasty"

    I don't know about the US, but in the UK house prices are insane, half the young population has huge student loan debts, and real wages have fallen in the last 20 years. The odds are heavily stacked against fertility compared with, say, the 1970s, when wages were rising, student debt non-existent, and house prices between 3 and 4 times wages.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-house-prices-average-earning-ratio-latest-unaffordable-housing-crisis-a8323086.html


    Workers in England and Wales need to fork out almost eight times their annual income in order to buy an average house, according to the latest official estimates, underlining how unaffordable house purchasing has become for many.

    The Office for National Statistics reported on Thursday that the average house in 2017 rose 4.5 per cent to £225,000.

    However, median gross annual full-time earnings last year were £28,952, up only 2.1 per cent over the 12 months.
     
    Now there are still ways to do it - there are cheap parts of the UK, with few job opportunities - perfect if you're a teacher or nurse, not so good otherwise.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
    @Alden

    If you're really a woman,what have you done with your uterus??

  149. @Not My Economy
    Leaderless is fake fake fake, this takes big league professional effort by people who have done this for a living for a long time - color revolution playbook. The state department probably has a 72 hour video training course on it.

    The first level analysis would be simply what facebook accounts are originating the protest events

    There are digital pages and groups that are saying "show up X place at Y time". On facebook these are linked to a person and even when they are not you can usually tell who the admin is, they will be posting first person videos etc.

    Much of the antifa organization is out in the open and public - these people either have paid jobs or they are trying to promote themselves to get a paid job. Remember this is a capitalist, careerist "riot", they have to be able to claim credit so they can self promote and monetize and/or get a (light skinned ofc) black boyfriend. Their bio just doesn't say "i'm antifa" they say "i'm a program coordinator at (your local city) alliance for change" -- but thats exactly what it is.

    So random online right wingers can identify the lowest tier of organizer pretty easily, from the comfort of your own home. 4 chan did this in the past but after they gave law enforcement everything on silver platter -- pulled a rabbit out of their ass to track down Eric Clanton the bike lock adjunct and law enforcement did nothing, and he walked, they said fuck it. No point.

    Online right wing says red team would stomp in a civil war LMAO -- these guys send a text and have troops coming in from 5 states over. You can't get together a single buddy to drive a getaway car and be your alibi. They can learn weapons and tactics a lot faster than you can make friends willing to risk federal prison.

    Replies: @anon, @ATBOTL

    They can learn weapons and tactics a lot faster than you can make friends willing to risk federal prison.

    Every single person on the right needs to understand this. The hard part of warfare is the organization, not learning to shoot guns.

  150. @Anonymous
    We have the means but lack the will. For all of it.

    Why is Trump sending federal officers to arrest the rioterd instead of arresting the mayors and city councilmen who have instructed the police to only arrest right-wing protesters? That is patently illegal and a violation of the civil rights of the arrestees, a crime which carries a ten year sentence.

    Didn't the FBI infiltrate the NOPD in the eighties because of such blatant corruption? Where is Barr? Where is Trump? Uh huh.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Nicholas Stix

    “Why is Trump sending federal officers to arrest the rioterd instead of arresting the mayors and city councilmen who have instructed the police to only arrest right-wing protesters?”

    Because Trump, for all his bluster, is a weakling.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Nicholas Stix

    There's probably a civil rights conspiracy case to be made, and, in Portland, a case to be made for conspiracy against the United States.

    Replies: @El Dato

  151. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    Right. Basically a private militia.

  152. @Justvisiting
    @JohnnyWalker123


    (((Anti-Fa))) has a few goals.

    1. Make Trump look weak, which weakens his support with his base.
    2. Intimidate Conservatives into silence and, hopefully, even make them scared to vote for Trump.
    3. If they get really lucky, perhaps force some type of “Color Revolution” that removes Trump from office or forces him to flee.
     
    I don't think that is correct.

    The purpose of the owners of these "revolutionaries" is the more traditional "revolution" imho--and I do not think this is about Trump. I know it is tempting to "watch that squirrel" but the kleptocrats are more clever than that.

    I think these are just "tests"--to see how different local authorities respond, to make sure the mass media obeys its masters, to find out who can be manipulated and who cannot (within government, corporations, universities). Who can be forced to mouth the slogan? Who will bend the knee?
    What will the counter-revolutionaries do?

    A little voice in my head keeps saying the goal is a military dictatorship to "save the country".

    If I am right the fake "revolution" will be ramping up (and then taking pauses) for several years to come--and when the elites decide the time is right they will strike.

    (Again my opinion, but I do not think the military dictatorship will be about ideology, it will be about centralizing power around the kleptocracy.)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Ozymandias

    Definitely possible too.

    A little voice in my head keeps saying the goal is a military dictatorship to “save the country”.

    Within the realm of possibility. Especially with all the unemployment and public anger, there may need to be martial law to maintain the rule of the (((elites.)))

  153. @Nicholas Stix
    @Anonymous

    "Why is Trump sending federal officers to arrest the rioterd instead of arresting the mayors and city councilmen who have instructed the police to only arrest right-wing protesters?"

    Because Trump, for all his bluster, is a weakling.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    There’s probably a civil rights conspiracy case to be made, and, in Portland, a case to be made for conspiracy against the United States.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Hibernian

    The number of people who need to get their ass dragged in is quite long by now. Instead the only one in prison by hook and by crook is hapless Assange.

    Al Capone would be proud – Chicago is the corrupt, crime-infested murder capital of the US, a glimpse of a dystopian future

    In a recent interview, Black Lives Matter leader Hawk Newsome was asked: “What exactly is it that you hope to achieve through violence?” Newsome responded by stating: “Wow. It's interesting you would pose that question like that because this country was built on violence.” Newsome went on to state: “If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. And I could be speaking figuratively, or I could be speaking very literally.” In a separate interview, BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors provided her credentials: “We are trained Marxists, and are super versed in ideological theories and what we try to do is build a movement.” Yet when corporations like Nike, Apple, and Amazon are throwing millions at the mobs’ feet, we all need to stand up and ask why?
     

  154. @Alden
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Said it before and I’ll say it again. If the MEN OF UNZ are so worried about White fertility make some White babies, and raise them so they can make more White babies as my husband, his brothers and their sons all did.

    My husband has 8 grandchildren and 1 great grandson whose father is 24 years old and already owns a home.

    So quit whining MEN OF UNZ get busy and found a dynasty if you’re so worried about White fertility. If you’re able to find a woman who’ll let you do the deed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    “get busy and found a dynasty”

    I don’t know about the US, but in the UK house prices are insane, half the young population has huge student loan debts, and real wages have fallen in the last 20 years. The odds are heavily stacked against fertility compared with, say, the 1970s, when wages were rising, student debt non-existent, and house prices between 3 and 4 times wages.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-house-prices-average-earning-ratio-latest-unaffordable-housing-crisis-a8323086.html

    Workers in England and Wales need to fork out almost eight times their annual income in order to buy an average house, according to the latest official estimates, underlining how unaffordable house purchasing has become for many.

    The Office for National Statistics reported on Thursday that the average house in 2017 rose 4.5 per cent to £225,000.

    However, median gross annual full-time earnings last year were £28,952, up only 2.1 per cent over the 12 months.

    Now there are still ways to do it – there are cheap parts of the UK, with few job opportunities – perfect if you’re a teacher or nurse, not so good otherwise.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So who is buying the houses? Someone is keeping the prices high. Here in Southeastern Pennsylvania it seems to be Indians. Entire 150 house developments are bought up as soon as construction is announced.

    Replies: @anon

  155. @ATBOTL
    @SFG

    Didn't Tucker create the Daily Caller along with Conservatism Inc. grifter types and then sell his stake in it?

    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Massimo Heitor

    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.

    Whereas liberals/progressives like their news fake and with zero deviation from the narrative.

  156. @Dave Pinsen
    Another question is why federal cops have limited themselves mainly to CS gas and paintball pellets in response. Why not rubber bullets, or at least water cannons?

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Anonymous, @Lagertha, @Percy Gryce, @Pooh

    I have come across something called “active denial system” heats the outer layer of skin like a microwave and travels at speed of light. 2,000 people? not a problem for this thing.

    We have more tools why can’t we use them??

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Pooh

    A mm-wave high power microwave projector. The Soros-antifa are not stupid and would prepare for it.

    I assume the first response would be your ubiquitous "tin foil" hat, but surrounding your body. I assume the second response would be a wire mesh with openings under the wavelength of I assume 95 Ghz EM, maybe even two. Then someone would do a library search of available and cheap materials that would have a high dielectric loss at 95 Ghz. You could even use steel wool as a filler material in an anti-RF cloak. The steel wool threads would act as shorted turns that when impinged upon by RF would turn the circulating RF currents to heat to be radiated safely away from your skin.

  157. @Justvisiting
    @JohnnyWalker123


    (((Anti-Fa))) has a few goals.

    1. Make Trump look weak, which weakens his support with his base.
    2. Intimidate Conservatives into silence and, hopefully, even make them scared to vote for Trump.
    3. If they get really lucky, perhaps force some type of “Color Revolution” that removes Trump from office or forces him to flee.
     
    I don't think that is correct.

    The purpose of the owners of these "revolutionaries" is the more traditional "revolution" imho--and I do not think this is about Trump. I know it is tempting to "watch that squirrel" but the kleptocrats are more clever than that.

    I think these are just "tests"--to see how different local authorities respond, to make sure the mass media obeys its masters, to find out who can be manipulated and who cannot (within government, corporations, universities). Who can be forced to mouth the slogan? Who will bend the knee?
    What will the counter-revolutionaries do?

    A little voice in my head keeps saying the goal is a military dictatorship to "save the country".

    If I am right the fake "revolution" will be ramping up (and then taking pauses) for several years to come--and when the elites decide the time is right they will strike.

    (Again my opinion, but I do not think the military dictatorship will be about ideology, it will be about centralizing power around the kleptocracy.)

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Ozymandias

    If I am right the fake “revolution” will be ramping up (and then taking pauses) for several years to come–and when the elites decide the time is right they will strike.

    The real test will be how can they neutralize the brown shirts when they take to the streets to confront the bolsheviks? A dangerous game to be sure.

  158. @Anonymous
    @Massimo Heitor

    There's no right-wing investigative journalism because the "conservative" establishment is based around the economic and foreign policy agenda of neocons, corporations and billionaires. The last thing they want is an honest media.

    It's the same reason there's not a single pro-white, or "national conservative" group with even 1% the funding of the SPLC or the huge universe of Jewish groups.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Not so. See James O’Keefe, among others.

  159. @ATBOTL
    @Steve Sailer

    Bob Dole was also a strong support of bombing Serbia so muslims could seize more territory in Europe by ethnically cleansing Christians. May Bob Dole burn in hell forever.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    seize more territory in Europe by ethnically cleansing Christians.

    Kosovar Albanians accounted for 90% of the population of the territory in question.

  160. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    Very nice to see iSteve give my comments such prominence.

    While I don't agree that Trump or the RNC is actively supporting BLM or antifa (other than benign neglect, it seems) I have now come to think of these nightly riots as the 2020 version of the old Trump airport hanger rallies. Trump doesn't have to appear, just let the public see the alternative.

    While it might not be totally original with me (how modest I am!) after writing it I thought that tagging antifa as the Biden militia was spot on. That is their intended effect, despite the trappings of extreme left anarchism (i.e. nihilism). "Infantile leftism" as Mr. Lenin himself deemed them.

    So far as I know Biden himself has never said a harsh word about BLM or antifa and if he's condemned the rioting/looting it has barely been heard or seen by anyone. Where are his basement tapes?

    Finally, one comment here struck me as very worrisome. The use of antifa as a post-election Biden paramilitary thug force. What we see in Africa, Latin America and historically, elsewhere is the creation or magnification of a pro-Marxist/commie "youth wing" or party "auxiliary" into a semi official state supported gangster organization. In Nicaragua and Venezuela (and Zimbabwe, especially) these violent government backed gangs are armed and protected by the party rulers. They are used to attack opposition groups, rallies against the government and individual dissidents who speak out.

    Normally such fears about a ragtag group of would-be revolutionaries here in the US strikes me as late night, half drunk paranoia. But after the spring and summer we're having, and Sauron gazing quietly from his basement window well biding his time, I don't consider this as over-the-top. After all, who are we being told is going to replace all of those now unemployed police?

    Replies: @anonymous

    You’re the ordnance expert, but isn’t it “airport hangar”?

    Still waiting to hear back from you about that apostrophe, too.

  161. anon[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @SMK
    @SMK

    My point, obviously, is that nearly all of the fatal and serious violence and destruction has been and will be committed by males, if and when the riots ever stop before or after the 2020 presidential election, and that few of them, only a small minority, have been arrested, and fewer will be prosecuted, convicted, and jailed and imprisoned.

    Replies: @anon

    My point, obviously, is that nearly all of the fatal and serious violence and destruction has been and will be committed by males, if and when the riots ever stop before or after the 2020 presidential election, and that few of them, only a small minority, have been arrested, and fewer will be prosecuted, convicted, and jailed and imprisoned.

    Tautology.

    “Men do bad things” is not a point, it’s not even competent trolling. What’s your point?

  162. @ATBOTL
    @SFG

    Didn't Tucker create the Daily Caller along with Conservatism Inc. grifter types and then sell his stake in it?

    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Massimo Heitor

    Part of the problem is conservatives are mostly dumb asses who like the simplistic tabloid style of news over serious investigative reporting.

    No. The problem is that good investigative journalism requires a lot of money to run and basically loses money. It’s often dependent on wealthy donor support. And wealthy donors on the right haven’t chosen to support good investigative journalism.

    There are plenty of conservatives who wish for good investigative journalism but they don’t have millions of dollars that they are willing to donate to the cause.

  163. How Is Antifa Organized?

    Very well.

    Antifa rioters call themselves journalists to avoid federal crackdown

  164. @Hibernian
    @Nicholas Stix

    There's probably a civil rights conspiracy case to be made, and, in Portland, a case to be made for conspiracy against the United States.

    Replies: @El Dato

    The number of people who need to get their ass dragged in is quite long by now. Instead the only one in prison by hook and by crook is hapless Assange.

    Al Capone would be proud – Chicago is the corrupt, crime-infested murder capital of the US, a glimpse of a dystopian future

    In a recent interview, Black Lives Matter leader Hawk Newsome was asked: “What exactly is it that you hope to achieve through violence?” Newsome responded by stating: “Wow. It’s interesting you would pose that question like that because this country was built on violence.” Newsome went on to state: “If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. And I could be speaking figuratively, or I could be speaking very literally.” In a separate interview, BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors provided her credentials: “We are trained Marxists, and are super versed in ideological theories and what we try to do is build a movement.” Yet when corporations like Nike, Apple, and Amazon are throwing millions at the mobs’ feet, we all need to stand up and ask why?

  165. @Steve Sailer
    @Massimo Heitor

    Also, how many would trust the findings of independent rightwing investigative journalists?

    In contrast, I don't ask readers to trust me on the facts -- I've put in, what, a 100,000 links over the years. I point out the patterns uniting and explaining these facts ascertained by others.

    But on Antifa I'm drawing a blank on this question of who they are because the MSM has been so allergic to even admitting their existence.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    Also, how many would trust the findings of independent rightwing investigative journalists?

    The political left will try to suppress or undermine any findings of rightwing investigative journalists. But as Harsanyi says, “If conservative journalists do solid work — with sourcing and reliable information –these efforts, while they would still be pooh-poohed by institutional media, would be far more difficult to dismiss.”

    This has happened. The Killian Document Controversy comes to mind, where some rogue right wing IJ, did some brilliant sleuthing, exposed the giant controversy, and justifiably tarnished Dan Rather’s career. Of course, the left tried to suppress or undermine the story, but it was too strong.

    And that was infamously just a few people sitting at their home computers “in their pajamas”. That’s great, but there are limits to what a few people can do from a laptop. A lot of good investigation requires getting on site, interviewing people in person, doing on site video surveillance, digging through leads, interviewing officials, etc.

    But on Antifa I’m drawing a blank on this question of who they are because the MSM has been so allergic to even admitting their existence.

    The left wing media is not interested in exposing the organization behind Antifa, and that’s their choice. The right should form it’s own investigation network, and do it right, not complain about the bias of left wing investigators.

    In contrast, I don’t ask readers to trust me on the facts — I’ve put in, what, a 100,000 links over the years. I point out the patterns uniting and explaining these facts ascertained by others.

    Steve Sailer is a leading independent journalist of the right. He’s moved the conversation. But Sailer is just a single at home, pajama laptop journalist. He doesn’t hit the streets and interview the right people and take the right video surveillance.

    Steve Sailer should lead efforts to finance teams of serious right wing investigative journalists. Have a real plan. Court the big donors. Do the investigations that the left-wing investigators choose not to do. As Harsanyi says, “they would produce far more meaningful investigative journalism, for no other reason than that there is so much uncovered ground.”

    One alternative to big donors, is to do the vox.com approach, and build a revenue stream based on video games, food blogging, and gadget blogging, and use that to finance the political investigative journalism.

  166. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alden

    "get busy and found a dynasty"

    I don't know about the US, but in the UK house prices are insane, half the young population has huge student loan debts, and real wages have fallen in the last 20 years. The odds are heavily stacked against fertility compared with, say, the 1970s, when wages were rising, student debt non-existent, and house prices between 3 and 4 times wages.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-house-prices-average-earning-ratio-latest-unaffordable-housing-crisis-a8323086.html


    Workers in England and Wales need to fork out almost eight times their annual income in order to buy an average house, according to the latest official estimates, underlining how unaffordable house purchasing has become for many.

    The Office for National Statistics reported on Thursday that the average house in 2017 rose 4.5 per cent to £225,000.

    However, median gross annual full-time earnings last year were £28,952, up only 2.1 per cent over the 12 months.
     
    Now there are still ways to do it - there are cheap parts of the UK, with few job opportunities - perfect if you're a teacher or nurse, not so good otherwise.

    Replies: @JMcG

    So who is buying the houses? Someone is keeping the prices high. Here in Southeastern Pennsylvania it seems to be Indians. Entire 150 house developments are bought up as soon as construction is announced.

    • Replies: @anon
    @JMcG

    Entire 150 house developments are bought up as soon as construction is announced.

    Just like Northern Virginia. High housing costs reduces family formation, so families must be imported from India to make up for the family shortfall. Hindus doing the jobs Americans won't do. Sure, it results in all-Hindu neighborhoods, but isn't that better than the horrors of segregation?

  167. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So who is buying the houses? Someone is keeping the prices high. Here in Southeastern Pennsylvania it seems to be Indians. Entire 150 house developments are bought up as soon as construction is announced.

    Replies: @anon

    Entire 150 house developments are bought up as soon as construction is announced.

    Just like Northern Virginia. High housing costs reduces family formation, so families must be imported from India to make up for the family shortfall. Hindus doing the jobs Americans won’t do. Sure, it results in all-Hindu neighborhoods, but isn’t that better than the horrors of segregation?

  168. @Pooh
    @Dave Pinsen

    I have come across something called "active denial system" heats the outer layer of skin like a microwave and travels at speed of light. 2,000 people? not a problem for this thing. https://youtu.be/zvP_v4UOXt4 We have more tools why can't we use them??

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    A mm-wave high power microwave projector. The Soros-antifa are not stupid and would prepare for it.

    I assume the first response would be your ubiquitous “tin foil” hat, but surrounding your body. I assume the second response would be a wire mesh with openings under the wavelength of I assume 95 Ghz EM, maybe even two. Then someone would do a library search of available and cheap materials that would have a high dielectric loss at 95 Ghz. You could even use steel wool as a filler material in an anti-RF cloak. The steel wool threads would act as shorted turns that when impinged upon by RF would turn the circulating RF currents to heat to be radiated safely away from your skin.

  169. @Clifford Brown
    Many of these people have never been in fight in their lives. This lady is not Antifa, she is just entitled.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1287203714562953216

    Antifa is supported by the State. FBI and CIA have long term contacts with them and they are allowed to operate as a street militia for Neoliberalism against people the State actually hates. The plan was to cause a civilian massacre to be used against Trump, so far that has not panned out.

    It is a joke. Antifa could be rolled up in days if the State turned against them. Antifa operates with impunity on social media and chat servers because the FBI views them as friendlies. This could change if Antifa ever did anything against the System, but for now they are the attack dog of the Deep State.

    Replies: @anon, @Mr. Anon, @AKAHorace, @Hhsiii, @Hypnotoad666, @Gordo, @ThreeCranes, @Paul Jolliffe, @Alden, @JohnnyWalker123, @Ragno

    I’d like to see a little evidence besides relying upon one’s rightful distrust of the Deep State – but it’s unquestionably a plausible analysis. It’s hardly a state secret that the intelligence agencies, along with the grandfathered-in elements of the GOP, despise Trump almost as much as the Evil Party.

    Think about it – Trump delivered an unthinkable Triple Play for the ‘Pubbies – House, Senate and White House – and they not squandered this once-in-a-generation opportunity, they seemed to squander it deliberately, heedless of the damage it would cause the country and their own party. (Truly, in Washington DC the only “nigger” it’s safe to pour your scorn out on is the outsider who lucks into power.)

    Strongly disliking Orange Man for his imperious arrogance is almost an involuntary reflex but when you consider how truly alone he is among these jackals – you could almost sense his skittishness re using actual military to pacify the anarchist shitbirds for fear they’d publicly defy his orders – that arrogance seems more like defensiveness every day; and makes him actually sympathetic compared to the parasites and predators he’s surrounded with daily. It also makes his actual accomplishments while in office, compromised as they are, seem genuinely heroic. After all, Houdini was only wrapped in chains, sealed in a coffin and then dropped in a body of water – he never had to co-exist with Pelosi, Schiff, Comey and Schumer, day after day, for four years.

    Given the above, I can see antifa being co-opted by the Swamp a year or two ago as a potential asset for this specific moment more easily than I can see them nurtured and mentored by them a decade ago as a long-term project.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  170. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Andy Ngô has documented organized medics and ambulances for Antifa in Portland:

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1287112026393702400

    Who is paying for this?

    The DNC?

    The CCP?

    Soros?

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Justvisiting, @Stebbing Heuer

    Shareholders.

    BLM has shaken down corporate American for billions of dollars.

  171. I saw one riot protest video that showed an Antifa medical van. How hard would it be for the cops to run the plate, find the owner, and drop a little RICO on the owner?

    The FBI used to be at this sort of leg work. Where the hell are they?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jim Don Bob

    I saw one riot protest video that showed an Antifa medical van. How hard would it be for the cops to run the plate, find the owner, and drop a little RICO on the owner?

    You already know the answer. Ask the mayor of Portland what he would want done, and what he has ordered the Portland Police bureau not to do.

    The FBI used to be at this sort of leg work. Where the hell are they?

    Last month 15 agents scurried to investigate the cord on a garage door at NASCAR.

    The priorities of the state are revealed by actions. The actions that are carried out, and the actions that do not happen.

    My only Question:

    When do we get to call this stuff treason? Soon?

  172. anon[834] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    I saw one riot protest video that showed an Antifa medical van. How hard would it be for the cops to run the plate, find the owner, and drop a little RICO on the owner?

    The FBI used to be at this sort of leg work. Where the hell are they?

    Replies: @anon

    I saw one riot protest video that showed an Antifa medical van. How hard would it be for the cops to run the plate, find the owner, and drop a little RICO on the owner?

    You already know the answer. Ask the mayor of Portland what he would want done, and what he has ordered the Portland Police bureau not to do.

    The FBI used to be at this sort of leg work. Where the hell are they?

    Last month 15 agents scurried to investigate the cord on a garage door at NASCAR.

    The priorities of the state are revealed by actions. The actions that are carried out, and the actions that do not happen.

    My only Question:

    When do we get to call this stuff treason? Soon?

  173. anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    We should read whatever accurate accounts we can get ahold of on the emergence of the radical Communists of a century ago in Russia and Germany. Young people in their comments are telling me that any of us who use the term Commies are out of date and out of touch.

    No, the antifa people don't read Marx or Engles. (Most of them aren't intelligent enough to even understand that stuff, it not being in the form of tweets.) No, they don't carry around Chairman Mao's little red book. They don't talk about the proletariat or the class struggle.

    Just the same, though, these people want to destroy traditional society. Destroying material things is one thing, but if you note the policies they favor, it is all about destruction of the culture too, starting with the normal nuclear family. The Commies of old did the same - think of the Chinese under Mao with the boys and girls, men and women, all with the rice-bowl haircuts and blue or grey Mao jackets, as cogs in the machine.

    Dig into how the old Commies operated and you may understand how these new Commies are operating. Peak Stupidity discussed this parallel almost 3 years back in "Who are these Antifa guys?" History may not repeat, but it sure does ryhyme.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Jane Plain, @anon

    Do we know they don’t read Marx and Engels?

    What happened to all the Spartacists and Communist Party USA nad other leninist groups? I would bet the same people, or their children, are around, out-organizing the wokefolk and making use of them in the same way as Lenin used unsophisticated anti-establishment people and peasants.

    Does anybody know?

  174. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Jane Plain


    All of the numbers in NJ, NY, and CT are polluted, tainted, and skewed by the nursing home scandal.
     
    All numbers from NY are politicized and suspect.

    Another example-

    Cuomo's list of quarantine states doesn't follow his numeric guidelines for inclusion at all.

    Michigan exceeds the NY limit on the number of cases per 100k population, yet it is not on the NY list.

    I wonder why that is?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Cuomo is shtupping Whitmer?

  175. @Alden
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Said it before and I’ll say it again. If the MEN OF UNZ are so worried about White fertility make some White babies, and raise them so they can make more White babies as my husband, his brothers and their sons all did.

    My husband has 8 grandchildren and 1 great grandson whose father is 24 years old and already owns a home.

    So quit whining MEN OF UNZ get busy and found a dynasty if you’re so worried about White fertility. If you’re able to find a woman who’ll let you do the deed.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    If you’re really a woman,what have you done with your uterus??

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