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With Donald Trump saying that being extremely tough on immigration might have prevented 9/11, I’m reminded of a couple of old articles I wrote. The first I wrote on the evening of September 11, 2001, in which I pointed out that in second Presidential debate of 2000, Bush had announced:

Bush said during the nationally televised debate, “Arab-Americans are racially profiled in what’s called secret evidence. People are stopped, and we got to do something about that.” Then-Governor Bush went on, “My friend, Sen. Spence Abraham [the Arab-American Republic Senator from Michigan], is pushing a law to make sure that, you know, Arab-Americans are treated with respect. So racial profiling isn’t just an issue at the local police forces. It’s an issue throughout our society. And as we become a diverse society, we’re going to have to deal with it more and more.”

Once in office, Bush and his Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta followed up with federal programs to wipe out profiling of Arabs at airports.

Years later we learned that the counter clerk who checked in the leader of the terrorists, Mohammed Atta, on that fateful morning, thought to himself, as he told Oprah Winfrey:

“I got an instant chill when I looked at [Atta]. I got this grip in my stomach and then, of course, I gave myself a political correct slap…I thought, ‘My God, Michael, these are just a couple of Arab businessmen.'”

Tuohey also told David Hench of the Portland Press Herald:

Then his eyes locked on Atta.

“It just sent chills through you. You see his picture in the paper (now). You see more life in that picture than there is in flesh and blood,” Tuohey said.

Then Tuohey went through an internal debate that still haunts him.”I said to myself, ‘If this guy doesn’t look like an Arab terrorist, then nothing does.’ Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this,” he said.

It’s not just a matter of letting hostile foreigners into the country, it’s also all the restrictions we impose on our own noticing, our see something, say something urge.

 
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  1. People who fit the profile SHOULD be looked at suspiciously and given extra-special looking over. I couldn’t care less what those Arabs or Muslims or whatever they say they are at CAIR think or do. Every one of them and their families are suspects. The innocent will have to put up with it until we kill all the guilty. Or the guilty kill us which is their not-at-all secret plan. Do what the Israelis do at their airports and let them bitch all they want.

    Trump is right: W was at least somewhat liable for 9-11.

    I’ve noticed Trump is usually right. Haven’t you noticed that too?

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Jim Sweeney

    There hasn't ever been a political candidate with whom I agree on as many fundamental issues as I do with Trump.

    The FoxCons complain that Trump hasn't set out enough specific policies. I don't about specific policies--I care about specific attitudes. And Trump's attitude is that he doesn't care whether or not he's outraging the NY Times, he's going to try to do what's best for this nation.

    Remember one of the big policy differences between Hillary and Obama in 2008? Hillary was for mandatory health car, and Obama thought it should be voluntary. Of course, once he won he decided it should be mandatory, but there's no penalty for misrepresenting your views while running for president, and he won. I believe both claimed to be for traditional marriage as well.

  2. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says: • Website

    Political Correctness kills, ask Academy Award nominee James Woods.

  3. When the Muslim population gets to a certain level, acts of terrorism become unavoidable. Once it hits 25 or 30 per cent of the total, liberal democracy will be impossible. Between 10 and 60 per cent of Muslims in the UK support some kind of Muslim system for themselves, ranging from having their own sharia law to all-out war against the host population – and that’s only those who are willing to admit it to pollsters.

    I’m not sure if the counter clerk could have stopped the attacks. Was Atta carrying a weapon? I don’t think so. He did have some written material in the luggage he had to leave behind that might be connected to terrorism, but it was in Arabic. Chances are the clerk would have reluctantly let him get on the plane anyway.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Rob McX

    If they'd found and confiscated the boxcutters, that could have been the end of the story.

    Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    , @NOTA
    @Rob McX

    Yeah, it's not really workable to have a policy of "if you creep out the gate agent he can deny you boarding, even if you're violating no rules and have a valid ticket."

    I'm also pretty skeptical of this kind of retrospective discussion. I wonder how many times in the past this guy was equally creeped out, but he forgot all about it when nothing happened. This is more or less how superstitions get started.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  4. The left (which includes Democrats, but, of course, also includes George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Yebby, not to mention Boehner) ensures that the common sense that results in excluding Atta, must be condemned. It won’t be happy until the death toll is in the millions. But even then we will have to wonder whether the left will repent of their stupidity. I would bet on the doubling down of them on their disreputable choices. I suspect that the third, or maybe the fourth, instance of deaths greater than one million will silence them.

    And the reason for the silence won’t be common sense. It will be the fear that their fellow citizens will be coming for them.

    • Replies: @24AheadDotCom
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The left (which includes Democrats, but, of course, also includes George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Yebby, not to mention Boehner)

    Smart political groups seek to grow their numbers, make the tent bigger. The smarter thing to do is to point out that such ideas are from the far-left. Marginalize the ideas, invite those who hold them to drop them and join the mainstream.

    This is like explaining how to wash your hands or something.

  5. In Israel, it’s not the luggage that’s emphasized (though they do check that, too), but the person’s intentions -how he’s feeling, is he answering questions honestly, is he able to maintain eye contact, etc. After all, a person who’s gone through American security may just buy vodka bottles later to serve as clubs. Use of such tactics may well have prevented 9/11, judging from the clerk’s description.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @E. Harding

    Once again, the Israelis use effective security techniques that the West is shamed into abandoning.

    Replies: @E. Harding

    , @International Jew
    @E. Harding

    So, Mr. Atta, what takes you to San Francisco?

    I'm going to my nephew's bar mitzvah.

    Ah, nice. What's his name?

    Uh, Abe, Abe Blum...stein...berg, uh Weinberg.

    Nice. Where does he live? What are his parents' names?

    Uh...

    Please step over here, my colleague Moshe is going to take over at this point...

  6. Pat Casey says:

    That Trump said it happened during the reign of Bush was music to my ears alone. And ya know, that he let Jeb have his moment at the debate when Jeb said, Well I know this, my brother kept us safe–that Trump let that drift I think bespeaks unheard of virtue for these days, because Jeb walked into a knock out next step stretcher—what the hell are you talking about remember when he stood on the rubble? He Was Standing On Rubble. But Trump did not cut Jeb down for his brother’s error of magnitude, and that strikes me quiet impressive. Then calling in to Fox the next morning he gave it to him, and I’ve never seen a pol concede a point just quite like that before. He is simply acting like people are supposed to act and he does not get enough mentioned credit for that. Smart move too, since he gets to say it now, and will get to say it again next debate.

  7. @E. Harding
    In Israel, it's not the luggage that's emphasized (though they do check that, too), but the person's intentions -how he's feeling, is he answering questions honestly, is he able to maintain eye contact, etc. After all, a person who's gone through American security may just buy vodka bottles later to serve as clubs. Use of such tactics may well have prevented 9/11, judging from the clerk's description.

    Replies: @gruff, @International Jew

    Once again, the Israelis use effective security techniques that the West is shamed into abandoning.

    • Replies: @E. Harding
    @gruff

    Part of this is due to the fact that the TSA is an agency of incompetents, preferring sexual harassment to any serious attempts at determining motives.
    @Formerly Rob McX
    "Once it hits 25 or 30 per cent of the total, liberal democracy will be impossible."
    -Well, there's always illiberal democracy, like in Malaysia or Lebanon. And I'm not so pessimistic about the future of Western institutions.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  8. there was never any airport profiling during the Clinton administration either..

    Ramzi Yousef arrived illegally in the United States on September 1, 1992, traveling with Ahmed Ajaj from Pakistan. Ajaj tried to enter with a forged Swedish passport, though it had been altered and thus raised suspicions among INS officials at John F. Kennedy International Airport. When officials put Ajaj through secondary inspection, they discovered bomb making instructions and other materials in his luggage. Yousef tried to enter with a false Iraqi passport, which the INS instantly knew was fake yet Yousef was still allowed into the United States , while Ajaj was arrested and released 3 days after the Bombing of the World Trade center , as the FBI anti-terrorist unit was not interested in interviewing this terrorist found with bomb making plans entering New York with from Pakistan with forged documents.

    hard to imagine whom the INS would not let in, since false passports did not stop them from letting in Ramzi Yousef , who came direct from Pakistan under a false name…the INS questioned him and he admitted it was a false name and he then sought asylum because he was persecuted in Iraq yet he was flying in from Pakistan. ..three months after the INS allowed him to enter his bomb was detonated killing 6 Americans and wounding 1,042 Americans.

    it was actually strong enough to have toppled the towers, if they had placed it in a different location. They added enough cyanide to the bomb to kill all inhabitants of the tower, but thankfully they did not prepare the poison correctly and it was burned up in the explosion.

  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this,” he said.

    What happens when an entire society thinks this way?

    It’s not just a matter of letting hostile foreigners into the country, it’s also all the restrictions we impose on our own noticing, our see something, say something urge.

    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our “see something, say something urge” after the arrest of Clock Boy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our “see something, say something urge” after the arrest of Clock Boy.
     
    Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a "Stand with Ahmed" day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed.

    Boston Globe: Cambridge teens can build their own clocks, just like Ahmed

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles

    , @Olorin
    @Anonymous

    This goes back to the story reported here and there last week about the Japanese researcher who claims to be able to use a magnet hat to change terrible xenophobes' perception of threat when encountering an unfamiliar person.

    The idea is to engineer humans into acting against their evolutionarily honed survival instincts and letting the hive lords determine for them what is threatening (hint: nothing, now get back to work, of course some of you will get blown up in terrorist attacks, but Nigeria and Delhi will produce more call center employees).

    The powers that be managed to do away with a good number of northern people with warrior genes in the protracted white-on-white civil war of the 20th century.

    Now it's just a matter of mopping up, while inundating those societies with diversivibrants who want what the North creates when left alone to do so, but can only proliferate and consume to generate speculative profit. Who cares if it all turns into a robot-run version of Rio/Tokyo?

    Look! The all-black version of Star Wars! And a megamillionaire who does a new kind of end zone dance! And look here at this cute little kitten! Awwwww!

  10. @gruff
    @E. Harding

    Once again, the Israelis use effective security techniques that the West is shamed into abandoning.

    Replies: @E. Harding

    Part of this is due to the fact that the TSA is an agency of incompetents, preferring sexual harassment to any serious attempts at determining motives.
    @Formerly Rob McX
    “Once it hits 25 or 30 per cent of the total, liberal democracy will be impossible.”
    -Well, there’s always illiberal democracy, like in Malaysia or Lebanon. And I’m not so pessimistic about the future of Western institutions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @E. Harding

    The TSA can afford to be staffed by incompetents because it has nothing to do with airport or airplane security. Its purpose is Dalrymplian: to humiliate people in order to render them complicit in thier own subjugation.

  11. Trump should also point out that just a few years after 9/11, G.W. Bush’s administration once again permitted Saudis to attend American flight-schools. Trump should bring up all the idiot things that Bush the Younger did, and force Jeb to defend them (and by the same token, he should force the other Republican candidates to repudiate them – the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW).

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @gruff
    @Mr. Anon

    If only the GOP had been astute enough not to allow him power in the first place. Many people at the time saw him for what he was. They were outnumbered and outgunned by his feckless cheerleaders.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    …the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW
     
    So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like "racial profiling is wrong", "Islam means peace", "Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us", etc. Instead, silence and diversion.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @(((Owen))), @NOTA

  12. To think just a decade before 9/11/2001 I was profiled by U.S. Customs (I think it was customs)! They were quite happy to tell me why I was profiled: I was an American man of military age travelling alone in Europe and that was the profile of an American serviceman returning from the first Bush-Iraq war and carrying contraband (they claimed they were most concerned about souvenir grenades).

    I was not offended though it was a bit of an inconvenience to be subject to an extra-thorough search. Little did I know how offended I should have been but the likes of me shall never be again (paraphrasing Tomas O’Crohan).

    It’s incredible how much our culture changed in 90s much as it’s incredible that Hillary is a “credible” candidate for president now. I’m thinking that the 90s are the decade of the Clinton’s first War-on-America and they’re preparing for the second now.

    • Replies: @Polymath
    @Coemgen

    Three weeks before 9/11 my family flew from Newark to San Francisco (Flight 93).

    I, blond, 39 y.o., cross-wearing, twelve-generation American, pregnant, travelling with husband and three children, I got pulled aside for the explosive and drug wanding.

    At 22, I got pulled aside before a London-NYC flight. Wearing a brimmed hat that didn't fit in my suitcase. Should have been a hijab.

  13. “…Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta…”

    Norman Mineta’s claim to fame is that as a child of Japanese nationals in California, he was in an internment camp during WWII. In the modern dispensation for US politicos, it doesn’t get much better than that.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymous


    …t as a child of Japanese nationals in California, he was in an internment camp during WWII.
     
    I prefer to call them New Deal camps.
  14. @E. Harding
    @gruff

    Part of this is due to the fact that the TSA is an agency of incompetents, preferring sexual harassment to any serious attempts at determining motives.
    @Formerly Rob McX
    "Once it hits 25 or 30 per cent of the total, liberal democracy will be impossible."
    -Well, there's always illiberal democracy, like in Malaysia or Lebanon. And I'm not so pessimistic about the future of Western institutions.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The TSA can afford to be staffed by incompetents because it has nothing to do with airport or airplane security. Its purpose is Dalrymplian: to humiliate people in order to render them complicit in thier own subjugation.

  15. But, but… the real enemy are NAMS, randy women, SJWs, Trayvon, Jews, Democrats… anybody and everybody but the sort of extrovert, shallow white male d&ckwads like George W. Bush or Jack Kemp. When and if a fair postmortem is written for the West, people will write that hordes of “youth”, black political operative faux-clergy and angry women did far less damage than ostensibly centrist, well-meaning white males.

    And what passes for a right-wing in this country hasn’t seen the light, and don’t mean John Boehner’s inner circle or the neocons. Rubio’s popularity and even Carson’s says that Jeb’s losing might be a rejection of the Bush name, but not the Bush policies or worldview. If the Establishment decides on Rubio and he wins the nomination, the rank and file will vote for him.

    The degree to which Obama gets blamed in the dim-witted GOP mind for blowing Bush’s “gains” in the Middle East and the usual suspects (old bureaucrats or retired Pentagon warhorses gone contractor or “analyst” or “consultant” and furiously sucking on the taxpayer teat) can even say this in public without being heckled or laughed at or fired or subjected to rotten vegetables being thrown at them (by GOP primary voters), or that Donald Trump can’t openly ridicule the motivation behind Operation Iraqi Fiasco or has to gingerly deal with military reductions, or that the faux-thinker Reagan is treated as something greater than man, although perhaps less than an angel, or we still hear about MLK’s conservative credentials, tells me that the average GOPer is like a serial adulterer, ashamed of having made a mistake with War-mongering compassionate conservatism, but bound to degrade themselves again, cause it feels so good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anowow

    Uh, I take it you're new here? Back in reality Donald isn't "gingerly" bruiting military budget reductions, in fact usually he mentions a desire to pour further trillions into it. However it isn't clear if gold-plating every urinal in the Pentagon is a bigger priority for him than, say, fighting Common Core, or "simplifying the tax code," or putting together an improved NCAA football playoff tournament; basically, whatever he picks out of the Twitter trending topics this week. I guess when the subject is self-degradation, you know what you're talking about...

    And if/when heroic Der Trumpfenkavalier betrays you on amnesty after securing the red nomination in the combine system, I personally won't be that surprised, but all the mass Sorrows-of-Young-Werther suicides from his neo-Dixiecrat groupies won't exactly thwart the immigration-maximization cause legislatively either.

    Replies: @Pericles

  16. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    The left (which includes Democrats, but, of course, also includes George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Yebby, not to mention Boehner) ensures that the common sense that results in excluding Atta, must be condemned. It won't be happy until the death toll is in the millions. But even then we will have to wonder whether the left will repent of their stupidity. I would bet on the doubling down of them on their disreputable choices. I suspect that the third, or maybe the fourth, instance of deaths greater than one million will silence them.

    And the reason for the silence won't be common sense. It will be the fear that their fellow citizens will be coming for them.

    Replies: @24AheadDotCom

    The left (which includes Democrats, but, of course, also includes George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, and Yebby, not to mention Boehner)

    Smart political groups seek to grow their numbers, make the tent bigger. The smarter thing to do is to point out that such ideas are from the far-left. Marginalize the ideas, invite those who hold them to drop them and join the mainstream.

    This is like explaining how to wash your hands or something.

    • Agree: Vendetta
  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    "Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this," he said.

    What happens when an entire society thinks this way?

    It’s not just a matter of letting hostile foreigners into the country, it’s also all the restrictions we impose on our own noticing, our see something, say something urge.

    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our "see something, say something urge" after the arrest of Clock Boy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Olorin

    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our “see something, say something urge” after the arrest of Clock Boy.

    Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed.

    Boston Globe: Cambridge teens can build their own clocks, just like Ahmed

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed."

    I'm speechless.

    Replies: @AnAnon

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    "Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed."

    Subsequently to be displayed at the Boston Marathon.

  18. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Once in office, Bush and his Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta had (sic) followed up with federal programs to make (sic) wipe out profiling of Arabs at airports.

    Steve, I have been noticing more an more errors in your postings. Is autocorrect causing you problems or have you had a stroke?

  19. The first thought that occurred to me when I heard about the 9/11 airline hijackings was I thought there was a policy of keeping the doors to the cockpit closed and locked while the plane was in flight. Later, when I read the 9/11 Commission Report, I found that my memory was correct, that the policy had been adopted in the 60’s, but the policy had not been enforced or was enforced in a rather loose manner. When I learned that GWB’s National Security adviser Condoleeza Rice had received a warning from the CIA more than a month before 9/11 that there were threats of impending attacks, possibly involving airplanes, I thought that Rice should have issued a quiet warning and headsup to all the airlines flying in the U.S. to tighten up security and make sure the cockpit doors were locked during flight. Had that occurred, the magnitude of 9/11 would have been much less. Even if the hijackers had succeeded in killing all the passengers and attendants on the plane, the pilots could have landed the planes, and the Twin Towers and the Pentagon would have been spared, and the lives of thousands would have been saved. Condoleeza Rice’s weak excuse that the CIA warnings were not specific enough because there was no mention of flight numbers is utterly preposterous. Rarely is intelligence so complete. You have to act on incomplete knowledge. Trump is right to blame George W.

  20. @Mr. Anon
    Trump should also point out that just a few years after 9/11, G.W. Bush's administration once again permitted Saudis to attend American flight-schools. Trump should bring up all the idiot things that Bush the Younger did, and force Jeb to defend them (and by the same token, he should force the other Republican candidates to repudiate them - the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW).

    Replies: @gruff, @Reg Cæsar

    If only the GOP had been astute enough not to allow him power in the first place. Many people at the time saw him for what he was. They were outnumbered and outgunned by his feckless cheerleaders.

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our “see something, say something urge” after the arrest of Clock Boy.

    Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day 10/24/15 at the public library where kids can learn to build clocks like Ahmed.

    Boston Globe: Cambridge teens can build their own clocks, just like Ahmed

    I’m thinking of moving to the UK, changing my name to Akmed, disassembling a TV and putting it inside a large suitcase, and winning the Nobel Prize in Physics.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day 10/24/15"

    Considering that the Cambridge schools educated the Tsarnaev Brothers ...

    Replies: @Coemgen

  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Trump was clumsy in his phrasing — inadvertently connoting the Loose Change/truther theories when he was only matter-of-factly observing how 9/11 can now be plotted on a continuum of decreasing national efficacy, a view I’m more inclined to after the dozen years of government & “expert” screw-ups that followed — but Yeb’s why-I-never SJW fainting-couch reaction is revealing. A real man could find a way to stand up for his brother/save face without embracing the U.S.A.’s mediocre-to-lousy 21st Century record of national security with which the WTC attacks, far from being a “sucker punch” as was portrayed at the time, are rightly included; something like, “Sorry, I doubt a real estate salesman and TV show dabbler with no situation-room experience has the standing to second-guess the White House blah blah blah” (Obama trots out this general line for his inadequacies all the time).

    Instead Yeb basically threw himself damsel-like on the media’s doorstep, wailing that they needed to use this against that mean old Trump man. He succeeded in looking remarkably bitch-like, in the way Romney did during the early debates placing $10,000 bets and trying to sic the moderators on his rivals a la “teacher teacher, Jimmy and Billy are passing notes in the back.” On his tippy toes even Yeb is one whipped specimen.

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anowow
    But, but... the real enemy are NAMS, randy women, SJWs, Trayvon, Jews, Democrats... anybody and everybody but the sort of extrovert, shallow white male d&ckwads like George W. Bush or Jack Kemp. When and if a fair postmortem is written for the West, people will write that hordes of "youth", black political operative faux-clergy and angry women did far less damage than ostensibly centrist, well-meaning white males.

    And what passes for a right-wing in this country hasn't seen the light, and don't mean John Boehner's inner circle or the neocons. Rubio's popularity and even Carson's says that Jeb's losing might be a rejection of the Bush name, but not the Bush policies or worldview. If the Establishment decides on Rubio and he wins the nomination, the rank and file will vote for him.

    The degree to which Obama gets blamed in the dim-witted GOP mind for blowing Bush's "gains" in the Middle East and the usual suspects (old bureaucrats or retired Pentagon warhorses gone contractor or "analyst" or "consultant" and furiously sucking on the taxpayer teat) can even say this in public without being heckled or laughed at or fired or subjected to rotten vegetables being thrown at them (by GOP primary voters), or that Donald Trump can't openly ridicule the motivation behind Operation Iraqi Fiasco or has to gingerly deal with military reductions, or that the faux-thinker Reagan is treated as something greater than man, although perhaps less than an angel, or we still hear about MLK's conservative credentials, tells me that the average GOPer is like a serial adulterer, ashamed of having made a mistake with War-mongering compassionate conservatism, but bound to degrade themselves again, cause it feels so good.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Uh, I take it you’re new here? Back in reality Donald isn’t “gingerly” bruiting military budget reductions, in fact usually he mentions a desire to pour further trillions into it. However it isn’t clear if gold-plating every urinal in the Pentagon is a bigger priority for him than, say, fighting Common Core, or “simplifying the tax code,” or putting together an improved NCAA football playoff tournament; basically, whatever he picks out of the Twitter trending topics this week. I guess when the subject is self-degradation, you know what you’re talking about…

    And if/when heroic Der Trumpfenkavalier betrays you on amnesty after securing the red nomination in the combine system, I personally won’t be that surprised, but all the mass Sorrows-of-Young-Werther suicides from his neo-Dixiecrat groupies won’t exactly thwart the immigration-maximization cause legislatively either.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    "And if/when heroic Der Trumpfenkavalier betrays you on amnesty after securing the red nomination in the combine system, I personally won’t be that surprised, but all the mass Sorrows-of-Young-Werther suicides from his neo-Dixiecrat groupies won’t exactly thwart the immigration-maximization cause legislatively either."

    Oh! If only we had voted for ¡Jeb! or Hillary, they shall sigh.

  24. @Anonymous

    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our “see something, say something urge” after the arrest of Clock Boy.
     
    Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a "Stand with Ahmed" day 10/24/15 at the public library where kids can learn to build clocks like Ahmed.

    Boston Globe: Cambridge teens can build their own clocks, just like Ahmed
     
    I'm thinking of moving to the UK, changing my name to Akmed, disassembling a TV and putting it inside a large suitcase, and winning the Nobel Prize in Physics.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day 10/24/15”

    Considering that the Cambridge schools educated the Tsarnaev Brothers …

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Steve Sailer

    If I wasn't such a coward this would be my entry: The Ahmed/Tsarnaev.

  25. @Rob McX
    When the Muslim population gets to a certain level, acts of terrorism become unavoidable. Once it hits 25 or 30 per cent of the total, liberal democracy will be impossible. Between 10 and 60 per cent of Muslims in the UK support some kind of Muslim system for themselves, ranging from having their own sharia law to all-out war against the host population - and that's only those who are willing to admit it to pollsters.

    I'm not sure if the counter clerk could have stopped the attacks. Was Atta carrying a weapon? I don't think so. He did have some written material in the luggage he had to leave behind that might be connected to terrorism, but it was in Arabic. Chances are the clerk would have reluctantly let him get on the plane anyway.

    Replies: @International Jew, @NOTA

    If they’d found and confiscated the boxcutters, that could have been the end of the story.

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue
    @International Jew

    "If they’d found and confiscated the boxcutters, that could have been the end of the story."

    In my corporate career of packaging engineer (from which I retired seven years before the 9-11 jihad attacks) I flew all round the U.S., under the same pre-flight security measures that were in place on 9-11, and in my carry-on were, variously, X-Acto knives, flat slide-razor blade box cutters, a pen-barrel type of retractable X-Acto knife and even, at times, full-size utility knives (these blades I used chiefly to make impromptu corrugated paperboard box & and partition and folding carton samples). I also always carried a plastic dispenser of replacement single-edged razor blades. None of these items ever evinced so much as a raised eyebrow from airport X-ray scanner security personnel.

    The point is that items that have not previously been used in aircraft takeovers are never prohibited by security policy and are thus not on the radar of the security personnel.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  26. @anonymous
    "...Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta..."

    Norman Mineta's claim to fame is that as a child of Japanese nationals in California, he was in an internment camp during WWII. In the modern dispensation for US politicos, it doesn't get much better than that.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …t as a child of Japanese nationals in California, he was in an internment camp during WWII.

    I prefer to call them New Deal camps.

  27. @Mr. Anon
    Trump should also point out that just a few years after 9/11, G.W. Bush's administration once again permitted Saudis to attend American flight-schools. Trump should bring up all the idiot things that Bush the Younger did, and force Jeb to defend them (and by the same token, he should force the other Republican candidates to repudiate them - the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW).

    Replies: @gruff, @Reg Cæsar

    …the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW

    So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like “racial profiling is wrong”, “Islam means peace”, “Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us”, etc. Instead, silence and diversion.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like “racial profiling is wrong”, “Islam means peace”, “Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us”, etc. Instead, silence and diversion."

    That is delusional. The Democrats would never do that. All those things are things that the Democrats enthusiastically support.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @(((Owen)))
    @Reg Cæsar

    "It was their duty as opposition to call him out "

    We did. We put up a credible candidate against Kerry in the primary. Kerry was the establishment DEMe choice from the beginning, partly because he backed Dubya's bumbling foreign and security policy to the hilt. We raised millions and millions against him from middle class working people who wanted a muscular and American Democratic party. Sure, Gov. Dean wasn't perfect, but he did want to defend America and make it great again. The establishment weaved the splitter strategy expertly and turned powerful rich insiders into pure attack dogs and got Kerry nominated to preserve the Bush legacy.

    But they couldn't get Hillary nominated in 2008 and the country is much better off. For all the troubles we get from Obama, he got us out of Iraq, kept boots off the ground in Libya, and didn't invade Syria or Russia. We have diplomatic relations again with Cuba and Iran. McCain would be fighting wars in all those countries if he had his Dubyaite way. Hillary would at least be in Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

    Heck, Dubya and Hillary and McCain all openly promised Osama immunity as long as he stayed in Pakistan; Obama invaded our Paki allies in an open act of war to get him. Obama is at least less enthusiastic about immvasion than McCain, though still unfortunately in favor. Yes, Obama is a huge improvement.

    So we did our part in the Donkey party and it wasn't easy or cheap. It took years to accomplish and there's a lot left to do. But the real challenge now is that the GOP is the stinkiest cesspool in the world. If you guys give us a Jeb or Rubio that makes Merkel look patriotic as the opposition, how are we Dems supposed to keep our own traitors under control?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @NOTA
    @Reg Cæsar

    Arab citizens do have the same rights as the rest of us. Giving the government the power to decide which citizens get rights and which don't in response to the threat of terrorism is like giving yourself cancer to cure your cold.

  28. Jack Hanson says:

    The other big fatality of 9/11 was the destruction of INS. Bush used that as an excuse to create DHS and cut away all interior enforcement of immigration laws to ICE…which promptly tries to take over the FBI’s mission to this day.

    Meanwhile the Border Patrol is forced to play a five and goal strategy with anyone who makes it past the miles of desert free and clear.

  29. @E. Harding
    In Israel, it's not the luggage that's emphasized (though they do check that, too), but the person's intentions -how he's feeling, is he answering questions honestly, is he able to maintain eye contact, etc. After all, a person who's gone through American security may just buy vodka bottles later to serve as clubs. Use of such tactics may well have prevented 9/11, judging from the clerk's description.

    Replies: @gruff, @International Jew

    So, Mr. Atta, what takes you to San Francisco?

    I’m going to my nephew’s bar mitzvah.

    Ah, nice. What’s his name?

    Uh, Abe, Abe Blum…stein…berg, uh Weinberg.

    Nice. Where does he live? What are his parents’ names?

    Uh…

    Please step over here, my colleague Moshe is going to take over at this point…

  30. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our “see something, say something urge” after the arrest of Clock Boy.
     
    Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a "Stand with Ahmed" day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed.

    Boston Globe: Cambridge teens can build their own clocks, just like Ahmed

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles

    “Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed.”

    I’m speechless.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    @Anonymous

    There is some good news, the donations for clockboy petered out almost immediately, the public has thankfully called bs on the whole thing.

  31. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    …the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW
     
    So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like "racial profiling is wrong", "Islam means peace", "Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us", etc. Instead, silence and diversion.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @(((Owen))), @NOTA

    “So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like “racial profiling is wrong”, “Islam means peace”, “Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us”, etc. Instead, silence and diversion.”

    That is delusional. The Democrats would never do that. All those things are things that the Democrats enthusiastically support.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon

    I never said the Dems would do it. I said they-- or any other putative opposition party-- had a duty to do it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  32. Anonymous [AKA "TIlly"] says:

    Huh, all this time I thought it was an assistant A.G. ,a woman, in the Clinton administration who nixed profiling at airports. A memorable name that I can’t remember. Not zoe baird, but someone like her. Wasn’t that the story at the time? Who’s right?

    • Replies: @Rifleman
    @Anonymous

    That would be one woman walking disaster Jamie Gorelick, a nice Radcliffe/Harvard educated Jewish girl from Long Island.

    Massively incompetent or a sociopath, take your pick.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html

    Her resume of failure is beyond belief!!!

    Replies: @jill, @Bill Jones

  33. @Jim Sweeney
    People who fit the profile SHOULD be looked at suspiciously and given extra-special looking over. I couldn't care less what those Arabs or Muslims or whatever they say they are at CAIR think or do. Every one of them and their families are suspects. The innocent will have to put up with it until we kill all the guilty. Or the guilty kill us which is their not-at-all secret plan. Do what the Israelis do at their airports and let them bitch all they want.

    Trump is right: W was at least somewhat liable for 9-11.

    I've noticed Trump is usually right. Haven't you noticed that too?

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    There hasn’t ever been a political candidate with whom I agree on as many fundamental issues as I do with Trump.

    The FoxCons complain that Trump hasn’t set out enough specific policies. I don’t about specific policies–I care about specific attitudes. And Trump’s attitude is that he doesn’t care whether or not he’s outraging the NY Times, he’s going to try to do what’s best for this nation.

    Remember one of the big policy differences between Hillary and Obama in 2008? Hillary was for mandatory health car, and Obama thought it should be voluntary. Of course, once he won he decided it should be mandatory, but there’s no penalty for misrepresenting your views while running for president, and he won. I believe both claimed to be for traditional marriage as well.

    • Agree: Travis
  34. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    …the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW
     
    So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like "racial profiling is wrong", "Islam means peace", "Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us", etc. Instead, silence and diversion.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @(((Owen))), @NOTA

    “It was their duty as opposition to call him out ”

    We did. We put up a credible candidate against Kerry in the primary. Kerry was the establishment DEMe choice from the beginning, partly because he backed Dubya’s bumbling foreign and security policy to the hilt. We raised millions and millions against him from middle class working people who wanted a muscular and American Democratic party. Sure, Gov. Dean wasn’t perfect, but he did want to defend America and make it great again. The establishment weaved the splitter strategy expertly and turned powerful rich insiders into pure attack dogs and got Kerry nominated to preserve the Bush legacy.

    But they couldn’t get Hillary nominated in 2008 and the country is much better off. For all the troubles we get from Obama, he got us out of Iraq, kept boots off the ground in Libya, and didn’t invade Syria or Russia. We have diplomatic relations again with Cuba and Iran. McCain would be fighting wars in all those countries if he had his Dubyaite way. Hillary would at least be in Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

    Heck, Dubya and Hillary and McCain all openly promised Osama immunity as long as he stayed in Pakistan; Obama invaded our Paki allies in an open act of war to get him. Obama is at least less enthusiastic about immvasion than McCain, though still unfortunately in favor. Yes, Obama is a huge improvement.

    So we did our part in the Donkey party and it wasn’t easy or cheap. It took years to accomplish and there’s a lot left to do. But the real challenge now is that the GOP is the stinkiest cesspool in the world. If you guys give us a Jeb or Rubio that makes Merkel look patriotic as the opposition, how are we Dems supposed to keep our own traitors under control?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    " ... he got us out of Iraq"

    I though we went back into Iraq about a year after we got out.

  35. Saudis seem to have free movement quite separate from any issue of profiling Arabs, as a matter of policy. So profiling Arabs or being tough on Arab immigration would not in itself have stopped 9/11. Also apparently the CIA specifically ensures/ensured Sunni jihadist terrorists get their visas as part of invade-the-world, seeking to use them vs Iran, Russia etc.

  36. @Anonymous
    Huh, all this time I thought it was an assistant A.G. ,a woman, in the Clinton administration who nixed profiling at airports. A memorable name that I can't remember. Not zoe baird, but someone like her. Wasn't that the story at the time? Who's right?

    Replies: @Rifleman

    That would be one woman walking disaster Jamie Gorelick, a nice Radcliffe/Harvard educated Jewish girl from Long Island.

    Massively incompetent or a sociopath, take your pick.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html

    Her resume of failure is beyond belief!!!

    • Replies: @jill
    @Rifleman

    BYW, Gorelick was chosen to sit on the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. She went on to Fannie Mae as a Vice Chairman from 1998-2002 and was paid over 26 million dollars. During her time at Fannie Mae, it was discovered Fannie Mae ran two sets of books which led to huge bonuses. She was forced to resign. Gorelick went on to serve on the board of Schlumberger Oilfield Holdings Ltd. from 2002 until June, 2010, during which Schlumberger aided Iran and Sudan in avoiding sanctions. Schlumberger was recently fined $232.7 million.

    Gorelick is now at WilmerHale.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Rifleman

    But she picked up $25 million at Fannie or Freddie.

  37. @International Jew
    @Rob McX

    If they'd found and confiscated the boxcutters, that could have been the end of the story.

    Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    “If they’d found and confiscated the boxcutters, that could have been the end of the story.”

    In my corporate career of packaging engineer (from which I retired seven years before the 9-11 jihad attacks) I flew all round the U.S., under the same pre-flight security measures that were in place on 9-11, and in my carry-on were, variously, X-Acto knives, flat slide-razor blade box cutters, a pen-barrel type of retractable X-Acto knife and even, at times, full-size utility knives (these blades I used chiefly to make impromptu corrugated paperboard box & and partition and folding carton samples). I also always carried a plastic dispenser of replacement single-edged razor blades. None of these items ever evinced so much as a raised eyebrow from airport X-ray scanner security personnel.

    The point is that items that have not previously been used in aircraft takeovers are never prohibited by security policy and are thus not on the radar of the security personnel.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Auntie Analogue

    That's what I would have thought - knives and blades were no big deal before they were used on 9/11. Maybe if a shifty Arab-looking guy had them, they'd arouse more suspicion. I don't know what the procedure was if the security guy wanted to confiscate something but its owner insisted on holding on to it.

  38. @Auntie Analogue
    @International Jew

    "If they’d found and confiscated the boxcutters, that could have been the end of the story."

    In my corporate career of packaging engineer (from which I retired seven years before the 9-11 jihad attacks) I flew all round the U.S., under the same pre-flight security measures that were in place on 9-11, and in my carry-on were, variously, X-Acto knives, flat slide-razor blade box cutters, a pen-barrel type of retractable X-Acto knife and even, at times, full-size utility knives (these blades I used chiefly to make impromptu corrugated paperboard box & and partition and folding carton samples). I also always carried a plastic dispenser of replacement single-edged razor blades. None of these items ever evinced so much as a raised eyebrow from airport X-ray scanner security personnel.

    The point is that items that have not previously been used in aircraft takeovers are never prohibited by security policy and are thus not on the radar of the security personnel.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    That’s what I would have thought – knives and blades were no big deal before they were used on 9/11. Maybe if a shifty Arab-looking guy had them, they’d arouse more suspicion. I don’t know what the procedure was if the security guy wanted to confiscate something but its owner insisted on holding on to it.

  39. Google search – Gary Hart and Warren Rudman.

  40. “it’s not nice to say things like this”

    Grown men don’t say things like this.

    Maturity fail.

  41. Political correctness, that is, official incompetence justified by anti-Western bias, dates much farther back than Bush the Younger. In the mid-1980’s I was going to my college office in a Louisiana city early on a Sunday morning and noticed a car ahead of me at a traffic light with four (trigger alert) Middle Eastern men in it. The one in the shotgun seat was snapping photos of a nearby bank. So I followed them as they slowed down and photographed other large buildings and the ROTC building. I memorized the license number and called the New Orleans FBI office immediately. The young agent who answered informed me in a bored voice that photographing buildings was not against the law. He said he did not want the license number. What’s the point of having a 24-hour FBI office if such information is to be rejected? The enthusiasm for Trump is driven by the belief that he would not tolerate such nonsense.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jay


    Political correctness, that is, official incompetence justified by anti-Western bias, dates much farther back than Bush the Younger. In the mid-1980′s I was going to my college office in a Louisiana city early on a Sunday morning and noticed a car ahead of me at a traffic light with four (trigger alert) Middle Eastern men in it. The one in the shotgun seat was snapping photos of a nearby bank. So I followed them as they slowed down and photographed other large buildings and the ROTC building. I memorized the license number and called the New Orleans FBI office immediately. The young agent who answered informed me in a bored voice that photographing buildings was not against the law. He said he did not want the license number. What’s the point of having a 24-hour FBI office if such information is to be rejected? The enthusiasm for Trump is driven by the belief that he would not tolerate such nonsense.
     
    My job is part of the federal hiring process which includes federal agents and federal law enforcement. The private sector, especially at the levels of Trump, Goldman Sachs, et al., screen and pick among the best. Most federal agents and federal law enforcement/national security got their job from applying for lots of different government jobs at USAJobs.gov or the specific agency site. A good number got the job because of priority hiring of ex-military. Or hit the USAJobs lottery. I know a beta male federal agent who couldn't get a job in the private sector in his college major who jumped at an offer for a federal agent job after applying for a hundred different federal government jobs. This is how you get a situation where FBI agents-- tipped off by Russian intelligence that Tamerlan Tsarnaev is involved in jihadi activities-- interviewed Tsarnaev, deemed him not a threat, and didn't bother to keep an eye on him. And the FBI agent sent to interview Todashev (Tsarnaev's Chechen buddy)-- and shot him dead-- was a former Oakland cop retired from that job on disability in his early 30's prior to joining the FBI. Mediocre intelligence and laziness are not conducive to national security. Do think if someone like Steve Sailer were an FBI agent and was given the Tsarnaev case you would've had the Boston Marathon bombing?
  42. @Rifleman
    @Anonymous

    That would be one woman walking disaster Jamie Gorelick, a nice Radcliffe/Harvard educated Jewish girl from Long Island.

    Massively incompetent or a sociopath, take your pick.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html

    Her resume of failure is beyond belief!!!

    Replies: @jill, @Bill Jones

    BYW, Gorelick was chosen to sit on the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. She went on to Fannie Mae as a Vice Chairman from 1998-2002 and was paid over 26 million dollars. During her time at Fannie Mae, it was discovered Fannie Mae ran two sets of books which led to huge bonuses. She was forced to resign. Gorelick went on to serve on the board of Schlumberger Oilfield Holdings Ltd. from 2002 until June, 2010, during which Schlumberger aided Iran and Sudan in avoiding sanctions. Schlumberger was recently fined $232.7 million.

    Gorelick is now at WilmerHale.

  43. Spence Abraham is a Christian and unsurprisingly didn’t like being lumped in with Muslim terrorists. The solution would have been to profile Muslims not Arab Christians. So one wonders where Abraham’s loyalties lied.

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jay
    Political correctness, that is, official incompetence justified by anti-Western bias, dates much farther back than Bush the Younger. In the mid-1980's I was going to my college office in a Louisiana city early on a Sunday morning and noticed a car ahead of me at a traffic light with four (trigger alert) Middle Eastern men in it. The one in the shotgun seat was snapping photos of a nearby bank. So I followed them as they slowed down and photographed other large buildings and the ROTC building. I memorized the license number and called the New Orleans FBI office immediately. The young agent who answered informed me in a bored voice that photographing buildings was not against the law. He said he did not want the license number. What's the point of having a 24-hour FBI office if such information is to be rejected? The enthusiasm for Trump is driven by the belief that he would not tolerate such nonsense.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Political correctness, that is, official incompetence justified by anti-Western bias, dates much farther back than Bush the Younger. In the mid-1980′s I was going to my college office in a Louisiana city early on a Sunday morning and noticed a car ahead of me at a traffic light with four (trigger alert) Middle Eastern men in it. The one in the shotgun seat was snapping photos of a nearby bank. So I followed them as they slowed down and photographed other large buildings and the ROTC building. I memorized the license number and called the New Orleans FBI office immediately. The young agent who answered informed me in a bored voice that photographing buildings was not against the law. He said he did not want the license number. What’s the point of having a 24-hour FBI office if such information is to be rejected? The enthusiasm for Trump is driven by the belief that he would not tolerate such nonsense.

    My job is part of the federal hiring process which includes federal agents and federal law enforcement. The private sector, especially at the levels of Trump, Goldman Sachs, et al., screen and pick among the best. Most federal agents and federal law enforcement/national security got their job from applying for lots of different government jobs at USAJobs.gov or the specific agency site. A good number got the job because of priority hiring of ex-military. Or hit the USAJobs lottery. I know a beta male federal agent who couldn’t get a job in the private sector in his college major who jumped at an offer for a federal agent job after applying for a hundred different federal government jobs. This is how you get a situation where FBI agents– tipped off by Russian intelligence that Tamerlan Tsarnaev is involved in jihadi activities– interviewed Tsarnaev, deemed him not a threat, and didn’t bother to keep an eye on him. And the FBI agent sent to interview Todashev (Tsarnaev’s Chechen buddy)– and shot him dead– was a former Oakland cop retired from that job on disability in his early 30’s prior to joining the FBI. Mediocre intelligence and laziness are not conducive to national security. Do think if someone like Steve Sailer were an FBI agent and was given the Tsarnaev case you would’ve had the Boston Marathon bombing?

  45. @Coemgen
    To think just a decade before 9/11/2001 I was profiled by U.S. Customs (I think it was customs)! They were quite happy to tell me why I was profiled: I was an American man of military age travelling alone in Europe and that was the profile of an American serviceman returning from the first Bush-Iraq war and carrying contraband (they claimed they were most concerned about souvenir grenades).

    I was not offended though it was a bit of an inconvenience to be subject to an extra-thorough search. Little did I know how offended I should have been but the likes of me shall never be again (paraphrasing Tomas O'Crohan).

    It's incredible how much our culture changed in 90s much as it's incredible that Hillary is a "credible" candidate for president now. I'm thinking that the 90s are the decade of the Clinton's first War-on-America and they're preparing for the second now.

    Replies: @Polymath

    Three weeks before 9/11 my family flew from Newark to San Francisco (Flight 93).

    I, blond, 39 y.o., cross-wearing, twelve-generation American, pregnant, travelling with husband and three children, I got pulled aside for the explosive and drug wanding.

    At 22, I got pulled aside before a London-NYC flight. Wearing a brimmed hat that didn’t fit in my suitcase. Should have been a hijab.

  46. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Bush gave special privileges to Saudis and members of the Bin Laden family by letting them jet out of the country whilst American citizens were still unable to fly. Although fifteen of the identified culprits were Saudi Arabian nationals just a couple days after 9-11 Bush and ‘Bandar Bush’ were sitting around laughing and joking with each other. ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ goes down in history as a Bush quote. Wonder what the redacted twenty-eight pages of the 9-11 report say and when will we get them?

  47. @(((Owen)))
    @Reg Cæsar

    "It was their duty as opposition to call him out "

    We did. We put up a credible candidate against Kerry in the primary. Kerry was the establishment DEMe choice from the beginning, partly because he backed Dubya's bumbling foreign and security policy to the hilt. We raised millions and millions against him from middle class working people who wanted a muscular and American Democratic party. Sure, Gov. Dean wasn't perfect, but he did want to defend America and make it great again. The establishment weaved the splitter strategy expertly and turned powerful rich insiders into pure attack dogs and got Kerry nominated to preserve the Bush legacy.

    But they couldn't get Hillary nominated in 2008 and the country is much better off. For all the troubles we get from Obama, he got us out of Iraq, kept boots off the ground in Libya, and didn't invade Syria or Russia. We have diplomatic relations again with Cuba and Iran. McCain would be fighting wars in all those countries if he had his Dubyaite way. Hillary would at least be in Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

    Heck, Dubya and Hillary and McCain all openly promised Osama immunity as long as he stayed in Pakistan; Obama invaded our Paki allies in an open act of war to get him. Obama is at least less enthusiastic about immvasion than McCain, though still unfortunately in favor. Yes, Obama is a huge improvement.

    So we did our part in the Donkey party and it wasn't easy or cheap. It took years to accomplish and there's a lot left to do. But the real challenge now is that the GOP is the stinkiest cesspool in the world. If you guys give us a Jeb or Rubio that makes Merkel look patriotic as the opposition, how are we Dems supposed to keep our own traitors under control?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ” … he got us out of Iraq”

    I though we went back into Iraq about a year after we got out.

  48. Conservatives must be masochists to watch Fox news channel. There are alternative news sources on the internet which do not twist new stories to fit the neocon agenda. Nobody is holding the American press accountable for not covering the failure of the American government which failed to protect Americans. The press does not cover the failure because they would have to acknowledge their complicity in America’s open borders policies. a

  49. @Rob McX
    When the Muslim population gets to a certain level, acts of terrorism become unavoidable. Once it hits 25 or 30 per cent of the total, liberal democracy will be impossible. Between 10 and 60 per cent of Muslims in the UK support some kind of Muslim system for themselves, ranging from having their own sharia law to all-out war against the host population - and that's only those who are willing to admit it to pollsters.

    I'm not sure if the counter clerk could have stopped the attacks. Was Atta carrying a weapon? I don't think so. He did have some written material in the luggage he had to leave behind that might be connected to terrorism, but it was in Arabic. Chances are the clerk would have reluctantly let him get on the plane anyway.

    Replies: @International Jew, @NOTA

    Yeah, it’s not really workable to have a policy of “if you creep out the gate agent he can deny you boarding, even if you’re violating no rules and have a valid ticket.”

    I’m also pretty skeptical of this kind of retrospective discussion. I wonder how many times in the past this guy was equally creeped out, but he forgot all about it when nothing happened. This is more or less how superstitions get started.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @NOTA

    It's all such bullshit.

    For about 12 years from the late 90s up until 2013 I flew from Boston to Tampa or Orlando once a year to visit my parents. I'm just the average middle-aged white guy, albeit built like a shortish NFL offensive lineman. I was pulled out of line for the enhanced inspection in Florida airports EVERY time I flew home. I figured it was because I was travelling alone.

    My girlfriend and I vacationed in Orlando in 2006. I got through screening with no problem, and I commented to her that I must not fit the profile when I'm with her. Alas, two agents came up to me after I put my shoes back on and swabbed my hands!

    Fast forward to 2012-2013, when my dad went through an extended illness and passed away in June. I was back and forth to Tampa 5 times in a 8-month period. Flying home the 3rd time that year, I was told I was chosen to get the expedited boarding: no scan, no bag check, no belt & shoes off, etc.

    What's the logic? Frequent fliers don't blow up planes?

  50. @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    "So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like “racial profiling is wrong”, “Islam means peace”, “Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us”, etc. Instead, silence and diversion."

    That is delusional. The Democrats would never do that. All those things are things that the Democrats enthusiastically support.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I never said the Dems would do it. I said they– or any other putative opposition party– had a duty to do it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's quaintly old fashioned of you. I have come to never think of the Democrats as anything other than some kind of alien, occupying army.

  51. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    …the GOP needs to be made to apologize for GW
     
    So do the Democrats. Even more so. It was their duty as opposition to call him out on nonsense like "racial profiling is wrong", "Islam means peace", "Arabs have the same rights as the rest of us", etc. Instead, silence and diversion.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @(((Owen))), @NOTA

    Arab citizens do have the same rights as the rest of us. Giving the government the power to decide which citizens get rights and which don’t in response to the threat of terrorism is like giving yourself cancer to cure your cold.

  52. It’s not just a matter of letting hostile foreigners into the country, it’s also all the restrictions we impose on our own noticing, our see something, say something urge.

    It’s deeper than this–the evil is the radical ideology of minoritarianism, which we’ve stumbled\been pushed into since the end of the War.

    Once you buy the idea that there’s something illegitimate about say Harvard’s (very generous!) Jewish quotas or that it’s some sort of stain on the nation that Uncle Sammy wasn’t accepted by some WASPy country club (even if his real beef was with the German Jewish guys running *their* club who didn’t want him around their daughters) … then it’s just water flowing downhill.

    The ’64 Civil Rights (stripping) Act, the ’65 Immigration Act, the destruction of Steve’s in-laws Austin neighborhood, “Affirmative Action”, apologias for Japanese interment, the ’86 amnesty, AIDS lies and nonsense, bi-lingualism, “racial profiling!”, letting Ramsey Yousef and Ahmed Ajaj into the country with phony passports! and bomb making materials!!!, “sanctuary cities”, failure to stop 911 hijackers who didn’t want to learn how to land the plane, defenestrating Larry Summers for some (very tame) truth telling, “diversity” promotion, mortgages for minorities (and ensuing world financial implosion), gay marriage, the show trial of George Zimmerman, the Michael Brown mau-mauing, shutting down Christian bakers, queers trooping into the woods with scouts, the “diversity” assault on silly valley, clock boy … are all of a piece.

    Once you deny the basic right of a nation–i.e. of the *majority*–to protect *its* people, *its* culture, language, values, traditions, history, as valuable and paramount … there isn’t some convenient “stopping point”. It’s just a slide down into the shit pit.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    The ’64 Civil Rights (stripping) Act, the ’65 Immigration Act, the destruction of Steve’s in-laws Austin neighborhood, “Affirmative Action”, ...
     
    I just read the other day, that use of the term "native American" for American Indians really took hold in the 1960s during the Civil Rights/change in immigration era, thus making it pretty much impossible for people born in the U.S., not the least those with families that had been in the U.S. for many generations, to refer to themselves as "native Americans". In fact, it left us without a good, natural term to call ourselves.

    The below quoted excerpts from a Wikipedia entry related to this subject are pretty interesting.:

    "During the 1850s, a group of Anglo-Saxon Protestant Americans used the capitalized term Native Americans to differentiate themselves from recent Irish and German immigrants, both of whom were predominantly Catholic. The group later formed the "Know-Nothings," a 19th-century political party that supported an anti-immigrant policy in the United States. The Know-Nothings also called themselves the "Native American Party" and were referred to in the press with the capitalized term.[12] They hired the writer and orator George Copway (a member of the Ontario Ojibwa tribe) for some of their publications,[13] implying that they intended their usage of "Native American" to include indigenous peoples.[original research?]

    The use of Native American or native American to refer to peoples indigenous to the Americas came into widespread, common use during the civil rights movements of the 1960s and 1970s. This term was considered to more accurately represent historical fact (i.e., "Native" cultures predated European colonization), while activists also believed it was free of negative historical connotations that had come to be associated with previous terms. Fundamentally, the term native means "belonging to a particular place by birth",[15] thus the term "Native American" can conceivably mean any individual who was born in America. Because the term Native American does not adequately convey the idea of a predating population, the terms Original American or First American may be more appropriate."

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_name_controversy
  53. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    It’s not just a matter of letting hostile foreigners into the country, it’s also all the restrictions we impose on our own noticing, our see something, say something urge.
     
    It's deeper than this--the evil is the radical ideology of minoritarianism, which we've stumbled\been pushed into since the end of the War.

    Once you buy the idea that there's something illegitimate about say Harvard's (very generous!) Jewish quotas or that it's some sort of stain on the nation that Uncle Sammy wasn't accepted by some WASPy country club (even if his real beef was with the German Jewish guys running *their* club who didn't want him around their daughters) ... then it's just water flowing downhill.

    The ’64 Civil Rights (stripping) Act, the '65 Immigration Act, the destruction of Steve's in-laws Austin neighborhood, "Affirmative Action", apologias for Japanese interment, the '86 amnesty, AIDS lies and nonsense, bi-lingualism, “racial profiling!”, letting Ramsey Yousef and Ahmed Ajaj into the country with phony passports! and bomb making materials!!!, "sanctuary cities", failure to stop 911 hijackers who didn't want to learn how to land the plane, defenestrating Larry Summers for some (very tame) truth telling, “diversity” promotion, mortgages for minorities (and ensuing world financial implosion), gay marriage, the show trial of George Zimmerman, the Michael Brown mau-mauing, shutting down Christian bakers, queers trooping into the woods with scouts, the "diversity" assault on silly valley, clock boy ... are all of a piece.

    Once you deny the basic right of a nation--i.e. of the *majority*--to protect *its* people, *its* culture, language, values, traditions, history, as valuable and paramount ... there isn't some convenient "stopping point". It's just a slide down into the shit pit.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The ’64 Civil Rights (stripping) Act, the ’65 Immigration Act, the destruction of Steve’s in-laws Austin neighborhood, “Affirmative Action”, …

    I just read the other day, that use of the term “native American” for American Indians really took hold in the 1960s during the Civil Rights/change in immigration era, thus making it pretty much impossible for people born in the U.S., not the least those with families that had been in the U.S. for many generations, to refer to themselves as “native Americans”. In fact, it left us without a good, natural term to call ourselves.

    The below quoted excerpts from a Wikipedia entry related to this subject are pretty interesting.:

    “During the 1850s, a group of Anglo-Saxon Protestant Americans used the capitalized term Native Americans to differentiate themselves from recent Irish and German immigrants, both of whom were predominantly Catholic. The group later formed the “Know-Nothings,” a 19th-century political party that supported an anti-immigrant policy in the United States. The Know-Nothings also called themselves the “Native American Party” and were referred to in the press with the capitalized term.[12] They hired the writer and orator George Copway (a member of the Ontario Ojibwa tribe) for some of their publications,[13] implying that they intended their usage of “Native American” to include indigenous peoples.[original research?]

    The use of Native American or native American to refer to peoples indigenous to the Americas came into widespread, common use during the civil rights movements of the 1960s and 1970s. This term was considered to more accurately represent historical fact (i.e., “Native” cultures predated European colonization), while activists also believed it was free of negative historical connotations that had come to be associated with previous terms. Fundamentally, the term native means “belonging to a particular place by birth”,[15] thus the term “Native American” can conceivably mean any individual who was born in America. Because the term Native American does not adequately convey the idea of a predating population, the terms Original American or First American may be more appropriate.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_name_controversy

  54. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed."

    I'm speechless.

    Replies: @AnAnon

    There is some good news, the donations for clockboy petered out almost immediately, the public has thankfully called bs on the whole thing.

  55. @Anonymous
    "Then I gave myself a mental slap, because in this day and age, it’s not nice to say things like this," he said.

    What happens when an entire society thinks this way?

    It’s not just a matter of letting hostile foreigners into the country, it’s also all the restrictions we impose on our own noticing, our see something, say something urge.

    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our "see something, say something urge" after the arrest of Clock Boy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Olorin

    This goes back to the story reported here and there last week about the Japanese researcher who claims to be able to use a magnet hat to change terrible xenophobes’ perception of threat when encountering an unfamiliar person.

    The idea is to engineer humans into acting against their evolutionarily honed survival instincts and letting the hive lords determine for them what is threatening (hint: nothing, now get back to work, of course some of you will get blown up in terrorist attacks, but Nigeria and Delhi will produce more call center employees).

    The powers that be managed to do away with a good number of northern people with warrior genes in the protracted white-on-white civil war of the 20th century.

    Now it’s just a matter of mopping up, while inundating those societies with diversivibrants who want what the North creates when left alone to do so, but can only proliferate and consume to generate speculative profit. Who cares if it all turns into a robot-run version of Rio/Tokyo?

    Look! The all-black version of Star Wars! And a megamillionaire who does a new kind of end zone dance! And look here at this cute little kitten! Awwwww!

  56. Over a year before 9/11, Trump wrote of impending attack threat with remarkable clarity:

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/over-a-year-before-911-trump-wrote-of-terror-threat-with-rem#.ka65Ka4zA

    Flashback: Jeb Bush admitted “leaky” immigration led to 9/11:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/18/flashback-jeb-bush-admitted-leaky-immigration-led-911/

  57. @Rifleman
    @Anonymous

    That would be one woman walking disaster Jamie Gorelick, a nice Radcliffe/Harvard educated Jewish girl from Long Island.

    Massively incompetent or a sociopath, take your pick.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html

    Her resume of failure is beyond belief!!!

    Replies: @jill, @Bill Jones

    But she picked up $25 million at Fannie or Freddie.

  58. “Trump is right: W was at least somewhat liable for 9-11.”
    “there was never any airport profiling during the Clinton administration either.”

    Right, because there had been daily bombings conducted by Muzzies against America inside our borders prior to 911. Check that, there were monthly incidents committed by Muzzies. No, wait, it was at least several times a year. Come again, it was probably a couple within a five-year period. Then, maybe…

    “Trump should also point out that just a few years after 9/11, G.W. Bush’s administration once again permitted Saudis to attend American flight-schools.”

    So, since that delusional policy was put into effect, just how many Muzzies have committed similar acts of violence like their 911 counterparts that involved airplanes?

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    "Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day 10/24/15"

    Considering that the Cambridge schools educated the Tsarnaev Brothers ...

    Replies: @Coemgen

    If I wasn’t such a coward this would be my entry: The Ahmed/Tsarnaev.

  60. I fly regularly out of Japanese airports. On domestic flights, security is very light compared to the U.S. these days, e.g,., you don’t even have to show identification, just like the good old days before OKC bombing, after which this restriction was imposed.

    BTW, didn’t McVeigh *drive* to OKC rather than fly, WTF?

    However, many, if not most I’ve seen, Arab/Muslim looking people get the full treatment. They are very brazenly pulled aside (I have never been and I have never seen this happen to anyone who looks euro or east asian) and searched, questioned, luggaged ransacked in a spot very visible to all the other passengers and just several feet from the line. I guess they take them somewhere else if it comes to a strip search, since I’ve never seen that.

    It actually would make me feel safer, to the extent that I would ever feel unsafe on a flight. And I just love seeing people get profiled absolutely unapologetically. I’m sure the Japanese have studied the Israeli approach quite carefully, as always, picking and choosing among the best of foreign practices.

  61. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon

    I never said the Dems would do it. I said they-- or any other putative opposition party-- had a duty to do it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That’s quaintly old fashioned of you. I have come to never think of the Democrats as anything other than some kind of alien, occupying army.

  62. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    And we were all recently reminded to always remember to suppress our “see something, say something urge” after the arrest of Clock Boy.
     
    Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a "Stand with Ahmed" day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed.

    Boston Globe: Cambridge teens can build their own clocks, just like Ahmed

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles

    “Über liberal Cambridge, MA is having a “Stand with Ahmed” day at the public library where kids can learn to built clocks like Ahmed.”

    Subsequently to be displayed at the Boston Marathon.

  63. @Anonymous
    @anowow

    Uh, I take it you're new here? Back in reality Donald isn't "gingerly" bruiting military budget reductions, in fact usually he mentions a desire to pour further trillions into it. However it isn't clear if gold-plating every urinal in the Pentagon is a bigger priority for him than, say, fighting Common Core, or "simplifying the tax code," or putting together an improved NCAA football playoff tournament; basically, whatever he picks out of the Twitter trending topics this week. I guess when the subject is self-degradation, you know what you're talking about...

    And if/when heroic Der Trumpfenkavalier betrays you on amnesty after securing the red nomination in the combine system, I personally won't be that surprised, but all the mass Sorrows-of-Young-Werther suicides from his neo-Dixiecrat groupies won't exactly thwart the immigration-maximization cause legislatively either.

    Replies: @Pericles

    “And if/when heroic Der Trumpfenkavalier betrays you on amnesty after securing the red nomination in the combine system, I personally won’t be that surprised, but all the mass Sorrows-of-Young-Werther suicides from his neo-Dixiecrat groupies won’t exactly thwart the immigration-maximization cause legislatively either.”

    Oh! If only we had voted for ¡Jeb! or Hillary, they shall sigh.

  64. @NOTA
    @Rob McX

    Yeah, it's not really workable to have a policy of "if you creep out the gate agent he can deny you boarding, even if you're violating no rules and have a valid ticket."

    I'm also pretty skeptical of this kind of retrospective discussion. I wonder how many times in the past this guy was equally creeped out, but he forgot all about it when nothing happened. This is more or less how superstitions get started.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    It’s all such bullshit.

    For about 12 years from the late 90s up until 2013 I flew from Boston to Tampa or Orlando once a year to visit my parents. I’m just the average middle-aged white guy, albeit built like a shortish NFL offensive lineman. I was pulled out of line for the enhanced inspection in Florida airports EVERY time I flew home. I figured it was because I was travelling alone.

    My girlfriend and I vacationed in Orlando in 2006. I got through screening with no problem, and I commented to her that I must not fit the profile when I’m with her. Alas, two agents came up to me after I put my shoes back on and swabbed my hands!

    Fast forward to 2012-2013, when my dad went through an extended illness and passed away in June. I was back and forth to Tampa 5 times in a 8-month period. Flying home the 3rd time that year, I was told I was chosen to get the expedited boarding: no scan, no bag check, no belt & shoes off, etc.

    What’s the logic? Frequent fliers don’t blow up planes?

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