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Reactionary French novelist Michelle Houellebecq’s 2015 bestseller Submission about a 2022 French election in which the establishment parties rally behind a suave Obama-meets-Erdogan Muslim candidate who leads France’s (as of yet nonexistent) Muslim Brotherhood party to head off the disaster of a National Front victory was criticized for its unrealistically short time frame, a contention the Houellebecq admitted was valid.

And yet … events here and there in Europe are starting to resemble Houellebecq’s plot. Scattered acts of Muslim insurgency this summer have been met with government plans to discourage the press from mentioning the names of those who commit the atrocities.

On a different front, the new mayor of London is the Obama-like Sadiq Khan, a talented 45-year-old politician who may well be headed for even bigger things in a Labour Party that has lost the trust of its traditional base and whose main hope is in electing a new people.

Typically, politically ambitious Muslims haven’t seen much need in Europe to start their own political parties because the established ones have been so anxious to pander to their demands on immigration. On the other hand, white mainstream politicians have intended to farm Muslim and anti-white votes to keep themselves, personally, in power.

Now a new party in the Netherlands has been started to explicitly represent the Coalition of the Fringes. From the NYT:

A Pro-Immigrant Party Rises in the Netherlands
By NINA SIEGAL JULY 29, 2016

AMSTERDAM — Europe has more than its share of angry anti-immigrant political parties these days. But one party has turned the politics of immigration on its head, positioning itself as perhaps the first in Europe with a pro-immigrant stance, run by people from immigrant backgrounds.

That party, called Denk, or Think, is led by a multicultural group of candidates seeking to combat xenophobia and racism in the Netherlands.

Denk has promoted itself as a kind of answer to the nativist and isolationist positions of the flamboyant far-right populist candidate Geert Wilders and his Freedom Party, which has been surging in the polls.

“What is unique about Denk is that it’s a party of people with a migration background who completely control the party,” said Cas Mudde, a specialist in European political and radical parties who was born in the Netherlands.

“Nonwhites have been in Parliament for a long time, but all the parties are still dominated by white Dutch people,” added Mr. Mudde, who is an associate professor at the School for Public and International Affairs at the University of Georgia. “We haven’t had a party dominated by nonwhite Dutch that has a potential chance of getting elected into Parliament.”

… Among the Denk party’s stated policy goals are banning from legislative forums a pejorative term often used for Dutch nonwhites, “allochtoon,” and to replace the term “integration” with “acceptance.”

It wants to establish a “racism register” to track the use of hate speech by elected officials and to bar those who promote racism from holding public office.

It also promotes the building of a Dutch slavery museum and it hopes to abolish the black minstrel character called Zwarte Piet, or Black Pete, who appears in Dutch winter holiday celebrations with Sinterklaas, or a kind of Dutch Santa Claus.

Denk was founded in 2014 when two members of the Labor party who have Turkish origins, Tunahan Kuzu and Selcuk Ozturk, left Labor in a dispute over surveillance of Muslims. They continue to hold seats in Parliament, and will do so until elections in 2017.

The Denk party has already broken the threshold of 1,000 members, making it eligible for about 165,000 euros a year ($183,000) in state subsidies.

Denk hopes to tap the significant population of the Netherlands with immigrant origins, estimated at about one million in a nation of 17 million people. According to the Dutch central bureau of statistics, about 4.4 percent of Dutch citizens have a Moroccan background and 3.5 percent are of Turkish origin.

The party’s founders have been criticized as being “puppets” of President for Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, but they have taken pains to expand the party’s base by enlisting important members from minority groups in the Netherlands.

In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.

The biggest lift to the party’s profile came in May, when the Dutch TV host Sylvana Simons, a dancer and singer born in Suriname, announced that she was joining the Denk party campaign for seats in Parliament. In televised interviews, she said she joined because she felt racism had taken on “dangerous” levels in the Netherlands, which she also said was “in denial” about its colonial legacy and its role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

Her announcement elicited such intensely negative responses on social media — 40,000 racist insults, according to her count — that the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, took time in one of his weekly addresses to condemn what he called “repulsive” statements by “idiots.”In response to its critics, Denk has gone on the offensive, using its website’s TV channel to tell its supporters to distrust the media. Mr. Ozturk has proposed that journalists be forced to take an oath before being allowed to practice their profession. …

“At least you have a political party that is using the words ‘institutional racism,’ ” he said. “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.

 
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  1. One. More. Time:

    Import The Third World And You ARE The Third World.

    • Agree: Barnard
    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    @Auntie Analogue

    Agree.

    , @Joe Walker
    @Auntie Analogue

    If these immigrants find Europe so racist then why don't they go back to where they came from?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  2. German_reader says:

    Turks playing oppressed victim and whining about “white supremacy”…utterly shameless.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @German_reader

    They tend to be swarthy enough to get away with it.

  3. It’s literally a Grinch party — they wan’t to take away Christmas.

    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    @Dave Pinsen

    The Dutch should find some minorities who like 'Zwarte Piet' and pitch him from the angle that he is beloved as a mascot by brown folks, and how we couldn't possibly get rid of such a beloved fellow of the minorities as this.

    Speedy Gonzalez was denounced as a racist caricature until some Mexicans started to express their admiration for him, then he was 'hands off'.

    Replies: @Joe Walker

  4. Inspired to post something. Europe is utterly screwed.

  5. iSteveFan says:

    In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.

    From this description you would think the girl would be white European. Macedonians and Poles are Slaves and the Dutch are the Dutch. But from this photo it appears she is not fully white European. Is this the case or does she just have a really good tan? After all why would she join the party of the coalition of the fringes?

    “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.

    And why wouldn’t it be? It’s a white country.

    • Replies: @Half Canadian
    @iSteveFan

    Tatjana Maul is possibly part Gypsy, as they're a meaningfully large group there (50,000+). Or it's a more Slavic than Greek Macedonian heritage.

    Replies: @jtgw, @Broski

    , @rumblefish
    @iSteveFan

    Wasn't Macedonia part of the Ottoman Empire? And a good percentage of the population is still Muslim. I imagine there's a lot of Turkish ethnicity there.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    , @Hubbub
    @iSteveFan

    Nope! She not be full Dutch by any stretch of the imagination.

    , @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white? Both of those of 40 percent and 25 percent Chinese. Maul probably is less than 10 percent turkish, and turks themselves have a lot of Caucasian genes, and this is coming from someone who silviosilver said was a one dropper. Unless her Macedonian mother is half turkish she's white period.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @little tripoli, @Joe Walker, @HA, @Expletive Deleted

    , @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan

    Tatjana Maul is a somewhat swarthy white European. On other pictures her skin looks whiter, and - unlike this photo you linked in - on most photos her hair doesn't even appear to be black, it's probably dark brown.

    But immigrants from anywhere (including other white countries) often side with minoritariarism.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @Unzerker
    @iSteveFan

    Have you seen pictures of the singer Rita Ora? She looks like Rihanna but she is 100% Albanian.
    Eastern Mediterraneans can look very swarthy.

  6. It wants to establish a “racism register” to track the use of hate speech by elected officials and to bar those who promote racism from holding public office.

    Only formalising the position as it currently stands throughout most of the European and North American countries of the US sphere, in practice. Almost none of the significant parties in western Europe that are supposedly racist are, of course, openly racist, because that would make expressing their views expose them to being hounded out of public life by establishment outrage and harassment, violent leftist protest, and in many cases to actual prosecution.

    Illiberal systems that in practice bar dissidents from office, from prominent media positions and even, increasingly, from employment in general, above the most basic level.

    You might say that that’s normal for all human societies, and you might have a point. The issue is really the stinking hypocrisy of the pretence of tolerance, liberty and freedom of speech.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Randal


    The issue is really the stinking hypocrisy of the pretence of tolerance, liberty and freedom of speech.
     
    And the fact that it's practiced to destroy the society in question. Intolerance against ideas hostile to it would be natural, but this is actually quite the perversion.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  7. Seriously triggering stuff. I can feel my amygdala light up as I read it. Zero hour approaches.

  8. It also promotes the building of a Dutch slavery museum

    Has Turkey ever constructed a slavery museum? Or for that matter has any other nation in the islamic world constructed such a museum?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iSteveFan

    Kind of...I believe this kind of stuff is on loan from Cairo and Alexandria (though it may be directly owned by the respective museums):
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/maml/hd_maml.htm
    https://www.davidmus.dk/en/collections/islamic/dynasties/mamluks

    Peace.

  9. Can any Dutch people here tell us if this party has any chance of making it into the parliament or if it’s just a gimmick?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @IHTG

    In fact they are already in the Parliament; the party was started when two MP's left the PvdA (Labour). For comparison there are 150 seats in De Tweede Kamer (basically the House of Commons). From preliminary polls it seems they will be able to keep these two seats.

    Since the Dutch Parliamentary system is direct representation there are a high number of political parties (~12) including slightly wacky parties like the Partij van de Dieren (literally the Animal Party) and 50Plus (The Senior Party).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @IHTG

  10. The Dutch should have a slavery museum?

    Have the Turks an Armenian Genocide museum?

    • Replies: @Penguinchip
    @Auntie Analogue

    No. Genuinely giving a shit about anyone outside your own race, religion, or ethny is an exclusively white affliction. Some Asians occasionally feign interest for the sake of appearances, but that's it.

  11. @Auntie Analogue
    One. More. Time:

    Import The Third World And You ARE The Third World.

    Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR, @Joe Walker

    Agree.

  12. Well, if they’re trying to ban the word allochtoon, shouldn’t they be fighting to ban autochtoon, too?

    After all – and I’m going by the Dutch definitions here – an autochtoon is someone who has blood ties to the country and we can’t have that now, can we? Because everyone knows that your typical Moroccan youth is just as Dutch as that 6’5″ blond chap cycling through the streets of Groningen.

    • Replies: @Jason Liu
    @Charlie_U

    You don't think the left is about fairness, do you? The majority/dominant groups are always censored, the victim groups celebrated.

  13. @iSteveFan

    It also promotes the building of a Dutch slavery museum
     
    Has Turkey ever constructed a slavery museum? Or for that matter has any other nation in the islamic world constructed such a museum?

    Replies: @Talha

    Kind of…I believe this kind of stuff is on loan from Cairo and Alexandria (though it may be directly owned by the respective museums):
    http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/maml/hd_maml.htm
    https://www.davidmus.dk/en/collections/islamic/dynasties/mamluks

    Peace.

  14. @Auntie Analogue
    The Dutch should have a slavery museum?

    Have the Turks an Armenian Genocide museum?

    Replies: @Penguinchip

    No. Genuinely giving a shit about anyone outside your own race, religion, or ethny is an exclusively white affliction. Some Asians occasionally feign interest for the sake of appearances, but that’s it.

  15. Not publishing names is not completely silly. Refusing to do so for mass killers to avoid giving them publicity is thought a possibly viable tactic.

    Dean Ing explored this idea (with respect to terrorists) some 30 years ago in his novel “Soft Targets”

    • Replies: @L7's
    @tcrispin

    I believe they are not going to publish their names to make it harder to find strange ties to law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Examples : oldest boston bomb brother, original wtc basement bombers,Osama bin Laden.

    , @Anonymous
    @tcrispin

    Sorry, it's pure nonsense.

    Surely at least 99% of the (real) French population have nothing but hatred and contempt for the terrorists, and any talk of 'glorifying' the terrorists is pure trash.
    If France's Muslim population 'glorifies' terrorists or not, I do not know, but, surely, using their own grape-vines, the name of the terrorist would be known.

    Newspapers never but never fail to publish the names of the vilest non-terrorist murderers. In fact, under all journalistic protocols, it's the most avidly awaited item of information they strive to tell us. That fact alone makes me very very suspicious of French media motives in suppression dissemination of the facts - the media's function in a liberal democracy - to the public.

  16. Well they’re not very good white supremacists, seeing how he’s allowed to live there.

    But if Erdogan is behind this, then he should be ashamed of himself for supporting leftism in other countries and doing the opposite in his.

    • Replies: @Broski
    @Jason Liu

    At this level in the power structure, anti-whites don't have shame like you or I would. They are so motivated by rage and insecurity that all's fair.

  17. @Charlie_U
    Well, if they're trying to ban the word allochtoon, shouldn't they be fighting to ban autochtoon, too?

    After all - and I'm going by the Dutch definitions here - an autochtoon is someone who has blood ties to the country and we can't have that now, can we? Because everyone knows that your typical Moroccan youth is just as Dutch as that 6'5" blond chap cycling through the streets of Groningen.

    Replies: @Jason Liu

    You don’t think the left is about fairness, do you? The majority/dominant groups are always censored, the victim groups celebrated.

  18. @iSteveFan

    In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.
     
    From this description you would think the girl would be white European. Macedonians and Poles are Slaves and the Dutch are the Dutch. But from this photo it appears she is not fully white European. Is this the case or does she just have a really good tan? After all why would she join the party of the coalition of the fringes?

    “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.
     
    And why wouldn't it be? It's a white country.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @rumblefish, @Hubbub, @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @Unzerker

    Tatjana Maul is possibly part Gypsy, as they’re a meaningfully large group there (50,000+). Or it’s a more Slavic than Greek Macedonian heritage.

    • Replies: @jtgw
    @Half Canadian

    Slavs are typically lighter than Greeks, at least from what I can see.

    , @Broski
    @Half Canadian

    She does have a vaguely subcontinent appearance to her. Maybe she is a gypsy, indeed.

  19. Funny that the surname “Ozturk” means “pure Turk” and is often adopted by refugees like Bosnians who are settling in Turkey.

  20. OT: was the pickpocket who was tackled and brought down by the Swedish bikini-clad ninja warrior police woman an immigrant?

    She might have a future as a politician.

  21. @German_reader
    Turks playing oppressed victim and whining about "white supremacy"...utterly shameless.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    They tend to be swarthy enough to get away with it.

  22. ‘… But one party has turned the politics of immigration on its head, positioning itself as perhaps the first in Europe with a pro-immigrant stance…’

    They believe in going Dutch?

  23. Bwahahaha

    The time of the white man is OVER!

    Die and curse in vein

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    You are so vain TD.

    I guess it is in your veins.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Tiny Duck

    Vain.

    , @dc.sunsets
    @Tiny Duck

    I know you're being ironic. No one who can count past ten believes enough immigrants can flood into the West to make the eventual conflict go their way.

    30 million more Mestizos could flood the USA and all that would happen is a larger amount to either go back south in a few years or more hills among landfills providing compost for future crops. Amerindians used to use a dead fish to fertilize maize, or so the story goes.

    The welfare state (and white tolerance) will not survive the end of this 34 year credit bubble. No bennies and the Mestizos will trudge home.

    , @Richard Steele
    @Tiny Duck

    There's the troll I love so much. I was worried that you had lost the troll mojo, but obvioulsy you're back on track. Welcome back, Tiny Duck.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Tiny Duck

    Vane

    , @Rb
    @Tiny Duck

    That should be 'vain'. The formation of ethnic political parties will end with the removal of their supporters.

  24. Opening bell to the fight. White Liberal Pols won’t support being obliterated, the Dem Party after Hillary! is essentially the Black Party, and that’s not going to fly for ambitious, young, bright Whites who will by default choose the Republican Party as the Generic White Party.

    Explicit non-White parties in Europe simply move all the White Parties into one giant White Party, similar to how the Dems under Obama in particular have moved Republicans into the Trump generic nationalism party. The Non-White Parties are by definition, repulsive and exclusive to the White majority and would only generate a harder reaction; the idea of a racism register and suppression of jihadi names and actions and news only accentuates the view among ordinary Europeans that their leaders are racial traitors electing a new people to enslave the old.

    Give the huge and incompatible differences between Muslims, who demand Sharia, and Europeans who want the good-life, a hot, and really hot, civil war looks ever more likely. Its one thing to have leaders like Tony Blair, and Angela Merkel. Its another to have an alien in every way, hostile leadership that does not look or act like the native majority.

    Siddiq Khan is already enforcing Sharia in London, which is now viewed as an alien city. A reminder: during the Twentieth Century, Cities were horrible places to be during sieges and conflicts and seem to be now (Aleppo, Mosul, etc.)

  25. When they said,

    “What is unique about Denk is that it’s a party of people with a migration background who completely control the party,”

    my first thought was, “they’ll only succeed if they are funded/supported/directed by someone other than their ‘people with a migration background’, someone like Soros or the Saudi king or the Dutch equivalent of Zuckerberg or the SPLC.

    Turned out I didn’t even have to get to the end of the article,

    “The party’s founders have been criticized as being “puppets” of President for Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey”

    Anyway do Turks and Moroccans and Surinamese and pretty Macedonians really love each other that much? No of course not. The entire party is founded on hatred and resentment of the white Dutch majority. It is literally the party of hate. That’s why they are constantly on the attack on this particular theme. They know it so well from their own hearts. Kinda like our Liberals/Progressives/whatevers.

  26. To the extent that nonwhites join it, this new party is probably a good thing as it further splits white labor away from the coalition of the fringes, where it is out of place.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    @Anonym

    Good point, let them have their identity politics cul-de-sac. And let them fight among themselves without white liberals around to keep things civilised.

  27. @Tiny Duck
    Bwahahaha

    The time of the white man is OVER!

    Die and curse in vein

    Replies: @Anonymous, @TomSchmidt, @dc.sunsets, @Richard Steele, @Expletive Deleted, @Rb

    You are so vain TD.

    I guess it is in your veins.

  28. “one party has turned the politics of immigration on its head, positioning itself as perhaps the first in Europe with a pro-immigrant stance”

    I thought Geert Wilders was radioactive/persona non grata/needing 24-hour bodyguards/etc. because of his anti-immigration stance, which means that every other party is already (violently) pro-immigration. So how is Denk “the first” pro-immigrant party? The awarding of this title is extremely dubious.

    A more honest description might be, “well-capitalized pro-immigration elites recruit a potemkin party of immigrants as a cat’s paw/cannon fodder/cut-out to use against the Dutch majority.”

  29. Meanwhile, the decline of Minnesota continues.

    On Silva’s watch, the city’s high schools have become menacing places where gangs of out-of-control teens prowl the halls, and “classroom invasions” by students settling private disputes are commonplace.

    Tumultuous brawls are a fact of life. Today, fights that “might have been between two individuals” can grow into “melees involving up to 40 or 50 people,” according to Steve Linders, a St. Paul police spokesman. Roving packs often attack individuals, and police have had to use chemical irritants to break up what they call “riots.”

    Teachers fear for their safety… Anarchy also reigns at many elementary schools…

    The discipline policies that gave rise to this chaos sprang from Silva’s embrace of “racial equity” ideology. In St. Paul, as across the nation, black students as a group are referred for discipline at higher rates than their peers. Silva made eliminating this racial gap a top priority…

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/29/federal-racial-discipline-quotas-create-chaos-in-st-paul-schools/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Grumpy

    A black kid from Chicago was shot at a party just two blocks from our old apartment the other night. He had no connection to the shooter, who was just pissed from having been bounced from the premises a short while earlier.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @CCZ
    @Grumpy

    You cite a Minnesota example. Here is a recent one in Minnesota that demonstrates the scary reality that even advantageous demographics can not protect or save you.

    The Minneapolis Star Tribune and KARE 11 TV News reported that a 53 year old White male was killed and a 27 year old White male was wounded in a “drive by shooting” in Winona, Minnesota. The arrested suspect is a 49 year old African-American male. Winona’s population is 93.0% White, 1.9% African-American, 0.3% Native American, 2.9% Asian, 1.8% other/multi-racial. The homicide victim, a local bluegrass folk musician with the band Beet Root Stew, was apparently shot around 1 AM (July 27) after he left EB’s Corner, a neighborhood tavern-restaurant.

    Replies: @Clyde

  30. Will they try to ban Orwell’s works?

  31. “Democracy” + mass immigration yields war.

    Who is so befuddled and besotted by recent decades of slothful, bovine herd behavior to think entire peoples will consent to their own destruction?

    Better still, immigrants are flooding into the West for the golden eggs only Western people, operating under Western Civilization, can produce. The West without Westerners in charge becomes the same cesspit from which the immigrants came.

    There will be war. Get your guns & ammo if you don’t already have them. Beat the last minute rush.

  32. @Tiny Duck
    Bwahahaha

    The time of the white man is OVER!

    Die and curse in vein

    Replies: @Anonymous, @TomSchmidt, @dc.sunsets, @Richard Steele, @Expletive Deleted, @Rb

    Vain.

  33. @Tiny Duck
    Bwahahaha

    The time of the white man is OVER!

    Die and curse in vein

    Replies: @Anonymous, @TomSchmidt, @dc.sunsets, @Richard Steele, @Expletive Deleted, @Rb

    I know you’re being ironic. No one who can count past ten believes enough immigrants can flood into the West to make the eventual conflict go their way.

    30 million more Mestizos could flood the USA and all that would happen is a larger amount to either go back south in a few years or more hills among landfills providing compost for future crops. Amerindians used to use a dead fish to fertilize maize, or so the story goes.

    The welfare state (and white tolerance) will not survive the end of this 34 year credit bubble. No bennies and the Mestizos will trudge home.

  34. I lived in the Netherlands for two years. Literally *every* social disturbance I experienced in that time involved an immigrant or otherwise non-Dutch person. Someone dangerously cut you off with their scooter in a bike only lane — check. Someone being rowdy/loud/annoying at an event — check. Someone fighting on the street — check.

    I lived in a bubble so of course all these sound really minor — at least the Dutch are more about containment than integration, so everything is very much based on neighborhood. Yet if I were them I would prefer to never have had to deal with this at all… not too long ago crime was approaching zero and locks on bikes were unheard of.

  35. @iSteveFan

    In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.
     
    From this description you would think the girl would be white European. Macedonians and Poles are Slaves and the Dutch are the Dutch. But from this photo it appears she is not fully white European. Is this the case or does she just have a really good tan? After all why would she join the party of the coalition of the fringes?

    “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.
     
    And why wouldn't it be? It's a white country.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @rumblefish, @Hubbub, @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @Unzerker

    Wasn’t Macedonia part of the Ottoman Empire? And a good percentage of the population is still Muslim. I imagine there’s a lot of Turkish ethnicity there.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @rumblefish

    I knew some Muslims from Bosnia and Turkey; it's quite interesting that, while the Turkish prototype is dark, swarthy, and often slender, some of the people I knew were blonde and quite Slavic looking. I figured they were descendants of some of the Crimean Tatar hostages seized from Russia during the Middle Ages, from when we get the word "slave". But maybe not.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Lot, @syonredux, @syonredux

  36. It’s nice that they’re authoritarian and anti-human-rights right from the start.

  37. nonwhite Dutch

    Maybe they make non-frozen ice cream in their spare time.

  38. @iSteveFan

    In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.
     
    From this description you would think the girl would be white European. Macedonians and Poles are Slaves and the Dutch are the Dutch. But from this photo it appears she is not fully white European. Is this the case or does she just have a really good tan? After all why would she join the party of the coalition of the fringes?

    “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.
     
    And why wouldn't it be? It's a white country.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @rumblefish, @Hubbub, @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @Unzerker

    Nope! She not be full Dutch by any stretch of the imagination.

  39. @Half Canadian
    @iSteveFan

    Tatjana Maul is possibly part Gypsy, as they're a meaningfully large group there (50,000+). Or it's a more Slavic than Greek Macedonian heritage.

    Replies: @jtgw, @Broski

    Slavs are typically lighter than Greeks, at least from what I can see.

  40. @rumblefish
    @iSteveFan

    Wasn't Macedonia part of the Ottoman Empire? And a good percentage of the population is still Muslim. I imagine there's a lot of Turkish ethnicity there.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    I knew some Muslims from Bosnia and Turkey; it’s quite interesting that, while the Turkish prototype is dark, swarthy, and often slender, some of the people I knew were blonde and quite Slavic looking. I figured they were descendants of some of the Crimean Tatar hostages seized from Russia during the Middle Ages, from when we get the word “slave”. But maybe not.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @SPMoore8

    They could have Ukrainian blood. Think there's been a history of sex trafficking to Turkey.

    , @Lot
    @SPMoore8

    European white Muslims are generally descended from white Christian converts, not immigrants from the middle east.

    , @syonredux
    @SPMoore8

    There's a lot of phenotypal variety in the Anatolian Peninsula.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    , @syonredux
    @SPMoore8

    Kemal Atatürk


    Due to the sizeable minority of Jews in Selanik during the Ottoman period, many of Atatürk's Islamist opponents have eagerly claimed that he may have had Dönmeh ancestors (Jews who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period).[21] However, his grandparents were not native to Selanik, and his family had moved to this city (the largest metropolis in Ottoman Rumelia after Istanbul) in the late 19th century, from other provinces of the Ottoman Empire. There are also some suggestions about the possibility of his Slavic origin, based on his light skin complexion, blond hair and blue eyes.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

    https://www.google.com/search?q=turks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9uvjSmJrOAhVEzWMKHXgdCXgQ_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=667#tbm=isch&q=kemal+ataturk&imgrc=H7QFXXBSjP7nRM%3A

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Zach

  41. @SPMoore8
    @rumblefish

    I knew some Muslims from Bosnia and Turkey; it's quite interesting that, while the Turkish prototype is dark, swarthy, and often slender, some of the people I knew were blonde and quite Slavic looking. I figured they were descendants of some of the Crimean Tatar hostages seized from Russia during the Middle Ages, from when we get the word "slave". But maybe not.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Lot, @syonredux, @syonredux

    They could have Ukrainian blood. Think there’s been a history of sex trafficking to Turkey.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  42. Think about if whites came to a third world country and started to lecture natives about how they, the white people, felt like they were treated like they were different, and complained that the natives were in denial about the fact that they are forever tainted as evil because their ancestors hundreds of years ago had committed acts like cannibalism, killing other tribes, taking slaves and hostages, raping women from other tribes, etc. And if any natives replied back, well, more evidence they’re in denial, and they’re racists as well, so we should keep a public record of it, publicly excoriate those natives who complain.

    And yet this is what minorities do every day in the West.

  43. Lot says:

    In Netherlands a party need only get 0.75% of the vote nationwide to get a seat in its lower house. This means a large collection of small parties are in their House, and there is very little “third party vote splitting.” In fact, the largest party in the lower house, the mainstream right party, has only 40 of 150 seats yet is the leading party in the ruling coalition.

    A top priority for the Dutch right should be restricting the ballot. Right now people in prison can vote as long as their sentence is less than a year. I like the Florida (and some other states system) that provides a permanent ban on felons from voting. Not sure how long that will last under President Hillary and her 5th left wing Supreme Court vote though.

    I can see Breyer, already the most conservative of the 4 liberals, drifting to the right a little should he become the swing vote. He’d probably still mostly vote with the liberals, but also enjoy the power he’d have, that Kennedy and O’Connor clearly enjoyed for two decades, of being the swing vote that the lawyers, parties, government, and other justices all have to pander too.

    (If Merrick Garland ends up on the court he’d be the swing vote on criminal issues and Breyer would be the swing vote on every thing else. Garland is surprisingly anti-criminal and votes with conservative appeals judges on criminal issues about 80% of the time).

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Lot

    Garland is not "anti-criminal" but anti-Bill of Rights. The Second and Fourth Amendments will be even more widely violated with him on the court.

  44. @SPMoore8
    @rumblefish

    I knew some Muslims from Bosnia and Turkey; it's quite interesting that, while the Turkish prototype is dark, swarthy, and often slender, some of the people I knew were blonde and quite Slavic looking. I figured they were descendants of some of the Crimean Tatar hostages seized from Russia during the Middle Ages, from when we get the word "slave". But maybe not.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Lot, @syonredux, @syonredux

    European white Muslims are generally descended from white Christian converts, not immigrants from the middle east.

  45. “That party, called Denk, or Think, is led by a multicultural group of candidates seeking to combat xenophobia and racism in the Netherlands.”

    Maybe they should think about the fact that nationalism is on the rise in the West, and slapping a bear in the face when you’ve already been ticking it off, isn’t exactly the wisest course of action.

  46. @Dave Pinsen
    It's literally a Grinch party -- they wan't to take away Christmas.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack

    The Dutch should find some minorities who like ‘Zwarte Piet’ and pitch him from the angle that he is beloved as a mascot by brown folks, and how we couldn’t possibly get rid of such a beloved fellow of the minorities as this.

    Speedy Gonzalez was denounced as a racist caricature until some Mexicans started to express their admiration for him, then he was ‘hands off’.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Grandpa Jack

    I think it would just be better to deport all these Thirdworlders back to the hellholes they crawled out of.

  47. @SPMoore8
    @rumblefish

    I knew some Muslims from Bosnia and Turkey; it's quite interesting that, while the Turkish prototype is dark, swarthy, and often slender, some of the people I knew were blonde and quite Slavic looking. I figured they were descendants of some of the Crimean Tatar hostages seized from Russia during the Middle Ages, from when we get the word "slave". But maybe not.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Lot, @syonredux, @syonredux

    There’s a lot of phenotypal variety in the Anatolian Peninsula.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @syonredux

    Perhaps central Anatolia would benefit from another period of Celtic rule? With compulsory Welsh lessons for all.
    It would certainly improve their football (round & egg-ball) game.
    Would also reinvigorate the local whisky, beer and sausage appreciation societies, as the original Galatians were some sort of Bavarian or Bohemian (via the Balkans) I think.

  48. @SPMoore8
    @rumblefish

    I knew some Muslims from Bosnia and Turkey; it's quite interesting that, while the Turkish prototype is dark, swarthy, and often slender, some of the people I knew were blonde and quite Slavic looking. I figured they were descendants of some of the Crimean Tatar hostages seized from Russia during the Middle Ages, from when we get the word "slave". But maybe not.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Lot, @syonredux, @syonredux

    Kemal Atatürk

    Due to the sizeable minority of Jews in Selanik during the Ottoman period, many of Atatürk’s Islamist opponents have eagerly claimed that he may have had Dönmeh ancestors (Jews who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period).[21] However, his grandparents were not native to Selanik, and his family had moved to this city (the largest metropolis in Ottoman Rumelia after Istanbul) in the late 19th century, from other provinces of the Ottoman Empire. There are also some suggestions about the possibility of his Slavic origin, based on his light skin complexion, blond hair and blue eyes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

    https://www.google.com/search?q=turks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9uvjSmJrOAhVEzWMKHXgdCXgQ_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=667#tbm=isch&q=kemal+ataturk&imgrc=H7QFXXBSjP7nRM%3A

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @syonredux

    That's good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

    There's also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @Lot

    , @Zach
    @syonredux

    Mustafa Kemal is considered to be Albanian and had many Albanian characteristics, such as an antipathy to religion. It was natural for Ottoman Albanians to join the military.

  49. @syonredux
    @SPMoore8

    Kemal Atatürk


    Due to the sizeable minority of Jews in Selanik during the Ottoman period, many of Atatürk's Islamist opponents have eagerly claimed that he may have had Dönmeh ancestors (Jews who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period).[21] However, his grandparents were not native to Selanik, and his family had moved to this city (the largest metropolis in Ottoman Rumelia after Istanbul) in the late 19th century, from other provinces of the Ottoman Empire. There are also some suggestions about the possibility of his Slavic origin, based on his light skin complexion, blond hair and blue eyes.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

    https://www.google.com/search?q=turks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9uvjSmJrOAhVEzWMKHXgdCXgQ_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=667#tbm=isch&q=kemal+ataturk&imgrc=H7QFXXBSjP7nRM%3A

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Zach

    That’s good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

    There’s also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @SPMoore8


    There’s also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.
     

    The Circassians (Circassian: Адыгэхэр, Adygekher) are a Northwest Caucasian ethnic group[20] native to Circassia, who were displaced in the course of the Russian conquest of the Caucasus in the 19th century, especially after the Russian–Circassian War in 1864. In its narrowest sense, the term "Circassian" includes the twelve Adyghe (Circassian: Адыгэ, Adyge) tribes (three democratic and nine aristocratic), i.e. Abzakh, Besleney, Bzhedug, Hatuqwai, Kabardian, Mamkhegh, Natukhai, Shapsug, Temirgoy, Ubykh, Yegeruqwai, and Zhaney,[21] each one representing a star on the green-and-gold Circassian flag. However, due to Soviet administrative divisions, Circassians were also designated as the following: Adygeans (Adyghe in Adygea), Cherkessians (Adyghe in Karachay-Cherkessia), Kabardians (Adyghe in Kabardino-Balkaria), Shapsugians (Adyghe in Krasnodar Krai) although all the four are essentially the same people residing in different political units.

     

    Did Jews intermarry with Muslims from the Caucasus?

    That’s good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

     

    Sure, but one would also have to factor in the Byzantine Empire, which encompassed Slavic territories. A good chunk of the DNA of modern Greeks shows Slavic admixture. Razib discusses it here:

    https://www.unz.com/gnxp/greeks-with-slavic-ancestry-and-without/

    Replies: @Romanian

    , @syonredux
    @SPMoore8


    The Sclaveni (in Latin) or Sklavenoi (in Greek) were early South Slavic tribes that raided, invaded and settled the Balkans in the Early Middle Ages. They were mentioned by early Byzantine chroniclers as barbarians having appeared at the Byzantine borders along with the Antes, another Slavic group. The Sclaveni were differentiated from the Antes (East Slavs) and Wends (West Slavs), however, described as kin. Eventually, most South Slavic tribes accepted Byzantine suzerainty, and came under Byzantine cultural influence. The term, along with the term Sklavinia ("Slav land") was widely used until the emergance of separate tribal names by the 10th century.
     

    The Byzantines broadly grouped the numerous Slav tribes living in proximity with the Eastern Roman Empire into two groups: the Sklavenoi and the Antes.[1] The derived Greek term Sklavinia(i) (Ancient Greek: Σκλαβινίαι, Latin: Sclaviniae) is interpreted as "Slav lands" in Byzantium.[citation needed] These Slavic settlements (area, territory) were initially out of Byzantine control and independent.[citation needed] By 800, however, the term also referred specifically to Slavic mobile military colonists who settled as allies within the territories of the Byzantine Empire. Slavic military settlements appeared in the Peloponnese, Asia Minor, and Italy.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclaveni
    , @Lot
    @SPMoore8


    That’s good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.
     
    It is not a hypothesis, Crimean Tatars engaged in slave raids in modern Ukraine, Belerus, and Russia for hundreds of years and kidnapped millions of people, with Turkey the primary destination. In areas under direct Ottoman control, they were also kidnapped in smaller numbers, and some ambitious south slavs converted to Islam, joined the military, and retired to Anatolia.

    There’s also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.
     
    Circassian has the broad meaning of white Muslims living in what is now Ukraine and Russia who mostly fled to Turkey when Russia reconquered the area and expelled its Muslim population. They were probably related to the Khazers, but that theory of the origin of Ashkenazi has been debunked. There is no reason to think Circassians ever intermixed much with Jews. Jewish settlement in Russia and Ukraine largely came as a result of the Christian reconquest of the region which had been depopulated by endless war and slave raiding.

    I think it is likely the ancient Levantine Jews always had light colored eyes in small numbers, but close to none would have been blond as adults. The moderate number of Ashkenazi who are as light featured as Scandanavians/Balts/North Germans are a result of an initial mixing with north Italians and south French, who sometimes show that phenotype, later further intermixing with North/NE Europeans, and finally the same selective pressures from their ~1100 years in Northern Europe that caused other Northern European groups to gain lighter features.

    I am curious as to which of these "lightening" factors was most important. Cochran says there was not much north euro introgression into the Ashkenazi gene pool, with low rate of mixed marriages and most of the children from them leaving the gene pool. That suggests selection effects as to why northern and central european Ashkenazi are considerably lighter than Romanian Ashkenazi.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  50. Guess the identity of the British minister proposing to ban alcohol at airports?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/29/banning-alcohol-airports-worst-idea

    • Replies: @gbloco
    @gbloco

    I'm going to reply to myself because no-one has picked this up!!

    A muslim cabinet member in the UK proposes banning article in public areas. Submission is here!!!

  51. @tcrispin
    Not publishing names is not completely silly. Refusing to do so for mass killers to avoid giving them publicity is thought a possibly viable tactic.

    Dean Ing explored this idea (with respect to terrorists) some 30 years ago in his novel “Soft Targets”

    Replies: @L7's, @Anonymous

    I believe they are not going to publish their names to make it harder to find strange ties to law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Examples : oldest boston bomb brother, original wtc basement bombers,Osama bin Laden.

  52. @Jason Liu
    Well they're not very good white supremacists, seeing how he's allowed to live there.

    But if Erdogan is behind this, then he should be ashamed of himself for supporting leftism in other countries and doing the opposite in his.

    Replies: @Broski

    At this level in the power structure, anti-whites don’t have shame like you or I would. They are so motivated by rage and insecurity that all’s fair.

  53. @Half Canadian
    @iSteveFan

    Tatjana Maul is possibly part Gypsy, as they're a meaningfully large group there (50,000+). Or it's a more Slavic than Greek Macedonian heritage.

    Replies: @jtgw, @Broski

    She does have a vaguely subcontinent appearance to her. Maybe she is a gypsy, indeed.

  54. @SPMoore8
    @syonredux

    That's good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

    There's also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @Lot

    There’s also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.

    The Circassians (Circassian: Адыгэхэр, Adygekher) are a Northwest Caucasian ethnic group[20] native to Circassia, who were displaced in the course of the Russian conquest of the Caucasus in the 19th century, especially after the Russian–Circassian War in 1864. In its narrowest sense, the term “Circassian” includes the twelve Adyghe (Circassian: Адыгэ, Adyge) tribes (three democratic and nine aristocratic), i.e. Abzakh, Besleney, Bzhedug, Hatuqwai, Kabardian, Mamkhegh, Natukhai, Shapsug, Temirgoy, Ubykh, Yegeruqwai, and Zhaney,[21] each one representing a star on the green-and-gold Circassian flag. However, due to Soviet administrative divisions, Circassians were also designated as the following: Adygeans (Adyghe in Adygea), Cherkessians (Adyghe in Karachay-Cherkessia), Kabardians (Adyghe in Kabardino-Balkaria), Shapsugians (Adyghe in Krasnodar Krai) although all the four are essentially the same people residing in different political units.

    Did Jews intermarry with Muslims from the Caucasus?

    That’s good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

    Sure, but one would also have to factor in the Byzantine Empire, which encompassed Slavic territories. A good chunk of the DNA of modern Greeks shows Slavic admixture. Razib discusses it here:

    https://www.unz.com/gnxp/greeks-with-slavic-ancestry-and-without/

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @syonredux

    Jews had relations with their slaves which could, obviously result in offspring.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg9Zdajj0pk

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10835-006-9018-z

  55. @SPMoore8
    @syonredux

    That's good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

    There's also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @Lot

    The Sclaveni (in Latin) or Sklavenoi (in Greek) were early South Slavic tribes that raided, invaded and settled the Balkans in the Early Middle Ages. They were mentioned by early Byzantine chroniclers as barbarians having appeared at the Byzantine borders along with the Antes, another Slavic group. The Sclaveni were differentiated from the Antes (East Slavs) and Wends (West Slavs), however, described as kin. Eventually, most South Slavic tribes accepted Byzantine suzerainty, and came under Byzantine cultural influence. The term, along with the term Sklavinia (“Slav land”) was widely used until the emergance of separate tribal names by the 10th century.

    The Byzantines broadly grouped the numerous Slav tribes living in proximity with the Eastern Roman Empire into two groups: the Sklavenoi and the Antes.[1] The derived Greek term Sklavinia(i) (Ancient Greek: Σκλαβινίαι, Latin: Sclaviniae) is interpreted as “Slav lands” in Byzantium.[citation needed] These Slavic settlements (area, territory) were initially out of Byzantine control and independent.[citation needed] By 800, however, the term also referred specifically to Slavic mobile military colonists who settled as allies within the territories of the Byzantine Empire. Slavic military settlements appeared in the Peloponnese, Asia Minor, and Italy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclaveni

  56. @Grumpy
    Meanwhile, the decline of Minnesota continues.

    On Silva’s watch, the city’s high schools have become menacing places where gangs of out-of-control teens prowl the halls, and “classroom invasions” by students settling private disputes are commonplace.

    Tumultuous brawls are a fact of life. Today, fights that “might have been between two individuals” can grow into “melees involving up to 40 or 50 people,” according to Steve Linders, a St. Paul police spokesman. Roving packs often attack individuals, and police have had to use chemical irritants to break up what they call “riots.”

    Teachers fear for their safety... Anarchy also reigns at many elementary schools...

    The discipline policies that gave rise to this chaos sprang from Silva’s embrace of “racial equity” ideology. In St. Paul, as across the nation, black students as a group are referred for discipline at higher rates than their peers. Silva made eliminating this racial gap a top priority...
     

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/29/federal-racial-discipline-quotas-create-chaos-in-st-paul-schools/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @CCZ

    A black kid from Chicago was shot at a party just two blocks from our old apartment the other night. He had no connection to the shooter, who was just pissed from having been bounced from the premises a short while earlier.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Actually, this incident is eerily similar to what happened to an acquaintance of mine. He left for Arizona a few years back. A couple years ago, he threw a party at his apartment. A male guest insulted a female guest, who left to return with her armed boyfriend. This fellow decided to "let God sort 'em out". Instead of the insulter, he shot and killed my old friend.

  57. @Reg Cæsar
    @Grumpy

    A black kid from Chicago was shot at a party just two blocks from our old apartment the other night. He had no connection to the shooter, who was just pissed from having been bounced from the premises a short while earlier.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Actually, this incident is eerily similar to what happened to an acquaintance of mine. He left for Arizona a few years back. A couple years ago, he threw a party at his apartment. A male guest insulted a female guest, who left to return with her armed boyfriend. This fellow decided to “let God sort ’em out”. Instead of the insulter, he shot and killed my old friend.

  58. CCZ says:
    @Grumpy
    Meanwhile, the decline of Minnesota continues.

    On Silva’s watch, the city’s high schools have become menacing places where gangs of out-of-control teens prowl the halls, and “classroom invasions” by students settling private disputes are commonplace.

    Tumultuous brawls are a fact of life. Today, fights that “might have been between two individuals” can grow into “melees involving up to 40 or 50 people,” according to Steve Linders, a St. Paul police spokesman. Roving packs often attack individuals, and police have had to use chemical irritants to break up what they call “riots.”

    Teachers fear for their safety... Anarchy also reigns at many elementary schools...

    The discipline policies that gave rise to this chaos sprang from Silva’s embrace of “racial equity” ideology. In St. Paul, as across the nation, black students as a group are referred for discipline at higher rates than their peers. Silva made eliminating this racial gap a top priority...
     

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/29/federal-racial-discipline-quotas-create-chaos-in-st-paul-schools/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @CCZ

    You cite a Minnesota example. Here is a recent one in Minnesota that demonstrates the scary reality that even advantageous demographics can not protect or save you.

    The Minneapolis Star Tribune and KARE 11 TV News reported that a 53 year old White male was killed and a 27 year old White male was wounded in a “drive by shooting” in Winona, Minnesota. The arrested suspect is a 49 year old African-American male. Winona’s population is 93.0% White, 1.9% African-American, 0.3% Native American, 2.9% Asian, 1.8% other/multi-racial. The homicide victim, a local bluegrass folk musician with the band Beet Root Stew, was apparently shot around 1 AM (July 27) after he left EB’s Corner, a neighborhood tavern-restaurant.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @CCZ

    http://www.startribune.com/1-dead-1-wounded-in-winona-bar-shooting-suspect-arrested/388389731/ A very harmless looking guy.

  59. It also promotes the building of a Dutch slavery museum and it hopes to abolish the black minstrel character called Zwarte Piet, or Black Pete, who appears in Dutch winter holiday celebrations with Sinterklaas, or a kind of Dutch Santa Claus.

    I wonder if our new Muslim overlords will let us keep that rerun of “The Office” when they take over the United States…

  60. @Tiny Duck
    Bwahahaha

    The time of the white man is OVER!

    Die and curse in vein

    Replies: @Anonymous, @TomSchmidt, @dc.sunsets, @Richard Steele, @Expletive Deleted, @Rb

    There’s the troll I love so much. I was worried that you had lost the troll mojo, but obvioulsy you’re back on track. Welcome back, Tiny Duck.

  61. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/694786/Merkelmussweg-protest-Berlin-Angela-Merkel-refugee-policy-immigration-Germany

    Getting serious now!

    They are going to push Merkel out. Her latest speech was a brave face on panic city. It’s over. I would say she lost the people but really it’s a leader who threw her own people under the bus.

    Merkel’s ratchet keeps turning! And, baby, it only turns one way.

  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @iSteveFan

    In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.
     
    From this description you would think the girl would be white European. Macedonians and Poles are Slaves and the Dutch are the Dutch. But from this photo it appears she is not fully white European. Is this the case or does she just have a really good tan? After all why would she join the party of the coalition of the fringes?

    “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.
     
    And why wouldn't it be? It's a white country.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @rumblefish, @Hubbub, @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @Unzerker

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white? Both of those of 40 percent and 25 percent Chinese. Maul probably is less than 10 percent turkish, and turks themselves have a lot of Caucasian genes, and this is coming from someone who silviosilver said was a one dropper. Unless her Macedonian mother is half turkish she’s white period.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Anonymous


    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white?
     
    Just off the top of my head, I think you may be vastly overestimating the percentage of the readership here who have any opinion what-so-ever about some mysterious person apparently known as "Alexa Chung."
    , @little tripoli
    @Anonymous

    Jude law ain't chinese.

    , @Joe Walker
    @Anonymous

    I don't consider Alexa Chung to be white. Jude Law, on the other hand, is mostly English with some Scottish.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/jude-law

    , @HA, @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous

    Jude Law is an Englishman with a Scottish surname, who looks Scottish (c.f. Daniel Craig).
    What are you blithering about?

    Replies: @gbloco

  63. > France’s (as of yet nonexistent) Muslim Brotherhood party

    One issue with having a Muslim party in France is that Muslim communities in France tend to split by country of origin. For example, the CFCM, or French Council of the Muslim Faith (whose creation in 2003 was strongly supported by then-minister of Interior Sarkozy) is dominated by Moroccans, while the Great Mosque of Paris is more Algerian.

    So between Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey, and African varieties of Islam, the Muslim community is divided. And then there’s the question of Saudi and Qatari and whatnot financing.

    I don’t know much about this, nor do I care (but it cares about me!), nor am I encouraged to know much since religious or ethnic stats are illegal in France.

    > Denk

    https://www.bewegingdenk.nl/

    Cool name, ok web site, so-so logo. Interesting idea. Think different! Nice try, anyway.

  64. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The case of the British Labour Party is interesting.

    Basically, the traditionally socialist party was hijacked by the neo-liberal Tony Blair. On election in 1997, Blair foisted in a blatantly immigrationist open borders policy of massive uncontrolled immigration, as recommended by his masters at The Economist magazine, a policy which was not even mentioned in the party’s published manifesto.
    It took a long while for the British electorate to cotton-on, but cotton-on they did, thus whole sections of the traditional Labour Party vote deserted the party and switched to Ukip, which advocates immigration control.

    And so, after continual electoral losses, the Labour Party fell into political meltdown. A real socialist, the hard left Jeremy Corbyn took over – much to disconcertment of the neo-liberal clique that dominated the parliamentary Labour Party. Civil war has ensued in the Labour Party between the heirs of Keir Hardie and socialism – Corbyn and the overwhelming majority of the party membership – and the blatant Thatcherites and neo-liberals – the bulk of the parliamentary Labour Party (MPs in other words).

    The moral is that the Labour Party has been forced to pay a very very heavy price for its insane policy of mass immigration. It was a cynical manoeuvre too far – the immigrationists completely underestimated the size and scope of the backlash.

  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well, the left parties of Europe played with fire by shamelessly favoring and pandering to third world immigrants in part, it seems, to secure loyal vote farms to ensure political support. The pandering even extended to inviting immigrants in in order to bolster the vote farm.
    In fact, what we see is a symbiotic relationship – the precise analogue, in human affairs of the lichen, which is the intimate union of fungus and algae. The immigrants get the chance to move into a first world nation and live off the benefits of another people’s hard work, industry, intelligence, honesty and law-abidness. In turn politicians get power – the name of the game – and big fat parliamentary salaries and bennies.
    What can possibly go wrong? It’s win-win for the symbiotic parties.

    But, alas, sometimes fire burns.

  66. i’m dutch and i’m very glad DENK is here.

    1) DENK is run by a very unappealing incompetent people. That’s amusing.

    2) DENK pushes well-meaning Dutch progs to the rightwing. DENK openly states the white majority must adapt to the immigrants. Even leftists have had it up to here w/ islam.

    3) DENK also trolls leftist foreigners for being assimilated. This triggers an intra-left fight. Also amusing.

    4) DENK (founders are two Turks) is deliciously hypocritical. They will bitch abt microaggressions in parliament while they were completely silent on Erdogan’s contra-coup. Even the most braindead moron distrusts them for this.

    All in all great. I could try to convince by arguments about third worlders’ non-assimilation, but i’m delighted there’s now a party who broadcast this view nationally, daily and proudly.

    A nationalist can’t wish for a better deal.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @maciano

    Also hilariously, they are doing the reactionaries' work of compiling priority deportation lists for political agitators for them. There was a reason various fringe parties in the old days kept their member lists a secret.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @maciano

    "Denk" means "balance" or something.
    They missed off the "-taş" bit. Probably too awkward for compositors of Dutch headlines.


    Rauf Denktash was the first president of the unrecognised Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC). His consistent purpose was to destroy for ever the concept of a single Cypriot nation state, common to both Greeks and Turks.
    He believed it should be replaced by two ethnically cleansed "statelets" linked only by a very weak confederal authority. Otherwise, he threatened from time to time, he would either merge the TRNC with Turkey or declare it fully independent and put an end to the periodic reunification talks.
     
    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @maciano

    So you think Denk doesn't stand a chance of gaining more support? From my perspective it looks as something I've always been afraid of: a Party of Demographic Replacement that in coming years will be slowly but surely working for increase of migrant population. Other political parties will need votes so they will from time to time ally with Denk and allow for additional increase of funds for "migrant acceptance".

    Looks scary to me.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @maciano

  67. @iSteveFan

    In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.
     
    From this description you would think the girl would be white European. Macedonians and Poles are Slaves and the Dutch are the Dutch. But from this photo it appears she is not fully white European. Is this the case or does she just have a really good tan? After all why would she join the party of the coalition of the fringes?

    “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.
     
    And why wouldn't it be? It's a white country.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @rumblefish, @Hubbub, @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @Unzerker

    Tatjana Maul is a somewhat swarthy white European. On other pictures her skin looks whiter, and – unlike this photo you linked in – on most photos her hair doesn’t even appear to be black, it’s probably dark brown.

    But immigrants from anywhere (including other white countries) often side with minoritariarism.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @reiner Tor

    She looks like a Mexican. Build that wall!

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @tcrispin
    Not publishing names is not completely silly. Refusing to do so for mass killers to avoid giving them publicity is thought a possibly viable tactic.

    Dean Ing explored this idea (with respect to terrorists) some 30 years ago in his novel “Soft Targets”

    Replies: @L7's, @Anonymous

    Sorry, it’s pure nonsense.

    Surely at least 99% of the (real) French population have nothing but hatred and contempt for the terrorists, and any talk of ‘glorifying’ the terrorists is pure trash.
    If France’s Muslim population ‘glorifies’ terrorists or not, I do not know, but, surely, using their own grape-vines, the name of the terrorist would be known.

    Newspapers never but never fail to publish the names of the vilest non-terrorist murderers. In fact, under all journalistic protocols, it’s the most avidly awaited item of information they strive to tell us. That fact alone makes me very very suspicious of French media motives in suppression dissemination of the facts – the media’s function in a liberal democracy – to the public.

  69. @Randal

    It wants to establish a “racism register” to track the use of hate speech by elected officials and to bar those who promote racism from holding public office.
     
    Only formalising the position as it currently stands throughout most of the European and North American countries of the US sphere, in practice. Almost none of the significant parties in western Europe that are supposedly racist are, of course, openly racist, because that would make expressing their views expose them to being hounded out of public life by establishment outrage and harassment, violent leftist protest, and in many cases to actual prosecution.

    Illiberal systems that in practice bar dissidents from office, from prominent media positions and even, increasingly, from employment in general, above the most basic level.

    You might say that that's normal for all human societies, and you might have a point. The issue is really the stinking hypocrisy of the pretence of tolerance, liberty and freedom of speech.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    The issue is really the stinking hypocrisy of the pretence of tolerance, liberty and freedom of speech.

    And the fact that it’s practiced to destroy the society in question. Intolerance against ideas hostile to it would be natural, but this is actually quite the perversion.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @reiner Tor

    As I've said many times before here, George Orwell was the real, true prophet of our present dysfunctional age.

  70. Lot says:
    @SPMoore8
    @syonredux

    That's good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

    There's also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @Lot

    That’s good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

    It is not a hypothesis, Crimean Tatars engaged in slave raids in modern Ukraine, Belerus, and Russia for hundreds of years and kidnapped millions of people, with Turkey the primary destination. In areas under direct Ottoman control, they were also kidnapped in smaller numbers, and some ambitious south slavs converted to Islam, joined the military, and retired to Anatolia.

    There’s also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.

    Circassian has the broad meaning of white Muslims living in what is now Ukraine and Russia who mostly fled to Turkey when Russia reconquered the area and expelled its Muslim population. They were probably related to the Khazers, but that theory of the origin of Ashkenazi has been debunked. There is no reason to think Circassians ever intermixed much with Jews. Jewish settlement in Russia and Ukraine largely came as a result of the Christian reconquest of the region which had been depopulated by endless war and slave raiding.

    I think it is likely the ancient Levantine Jews always had light colored eyes in small numbers, but close to none would have been blond as adults. The moderate number of Ashkenazi who are as light featured as Scandanavians/Balts/North Germans are a result of an initial mixing with north Italians and south French, who sometimes show that phenotype, later further intermixing with North/NE Europeans, and finally the same selective pressures from their ~1100 years in Northern Europe that caused other Northern European groups to gain lighter features.

    I am curious as to which of these “lightening” factors was most important. Cochran says there was not much north euro introgression into the Ashkenazi gene pool, with low rate of mixed marriages and most of the children from them leaving the gene pool. That suggests selection effects as to why northern and central european Ashkenazi are considerably lighter than Romanian Ashkenazi.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lot

    There has been some East European admixture in the Ashkenazi gene pool, but it is less than the amount of South European admixture. Here is a link to the newest paper about European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews: The Time and Place of European Admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish History. Greg Cochran has already posted about it at his blog as has Razib Khan.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  71. @CCZ
    @Grumpy

    You cite a Minnesota example. Here is a recent one in Minnesota that demonstrates the scary reality that even advantageous demographics can not protect or save you.

    The Minneapolis Star Tribune and KARE 11 TV News reported that a 53 year old White male was killed and a 27 year old White male was wounded in a “drive by shooting” in Winona, Minnesota. The arrested suspect is a 49 year old African-American male. Winona’s population is 93.0% White, 1.9% African-American, 0.3% Native American, 2.9% Asian, 1.8% other/multi-racial. The homicide victim, a local bluegrass folk musician with the band Beet Root Stew, was apparently shot around 1 AM (July 27) after he left EB’s Corner, a neighborhood tavern-restaurant.

    Replies: @Clyde

  72. @reiner Tor
    @Randal


    The issue is really the stinking hypocrisy of the pretence of tolerance, liberty and freedom of speech.
     
    And the fact that it's practiced to destroy the society in question. Intolerance against ideas hostile to it would be natural, but this is actually quite the perversion.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    As I’ve said many times before here, George Orwell was the real, true prophet of our present dysfunctional age.

  73. @syonredux
    @SPMoore8


    There’s also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.
     

    The Circassians (Circassian: Адыгэхэр, Adygekher) are a Northwest Caucasian ethnic group[20] native to Circassia, who were displaced in the course of the Russian conquest of the Caucasus in the 19th century, especially after the Russian–Circassian War in 1864. In its narrowest sense, the term "Circassian" includes the twelve Adyghe (Circassian: Адыгэ, Adyge) tribes (three democratic and nine aristocratic), i.e. Abzakh, Besleney, Bzhedug, Hatuqwai, Kabardian, Mamkhegh, Natukhai, Shapsug, Temirgoy, Ubykh, Yegeruqwai, and Zhaney,[21] each one representing a star on the green-and-gold Circassian flag. However, due to Soviet administrative divisions, Circassians were also designated as the following: Adygeans (Adyghe in Adygea), Cherkessians (Adyghe in Karachay-Cherkessia), Kabardians (Adyghe in Kabardino-Balkaria), Shapsugians (Adyghe in Krasnodar Krai) although all the four are essentially the same people residing in different political units.

     

    Did Jews intermarry with Muslims from the Caucasus?

    That’s good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.

     

    Sure, but one would also have to factor in the Byzantine Empire, which encompassed Slavic territories. A good chunk of the DNA of modern Greeks shows Slavic admixture. Razib discusses it here:

    https://www.unz.com/gnxp/greeks-with-slavic-ancestry-and-without/

    Replies: @Romanian

    Jews had relations with their slaves which could, obviously result in offspring.

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10835-006-9018-z

  74. @maciano
    i'm dutch and i'm very glad DENK is here.

    1) DENK is run by a very unappealing incompetent people. That's amusing.

    2) DENK pushes well-meaning Dutch progs to the rightwing. DENK openly states the white majority must adapt to the immigrants. Even leftists have had it up to here w/ islam.

    3) DENK also trolls leftist foreigners for being assimilated. This triggers an intra-left fight. Also amusing.

    4) DENK (founders are two Turks) is deliciously hypocritical. They will bitch abt microaggressions in parliament while they were completely silent on Erdogan's contra-coup. Even the most braindead moron distrusts them for this.

    All in all great. I could try to convince by arguments about third worlders' non-assimilation, but i'm delighted there's now a party who broadcast this view nationally, daily and proudly.

    A nationalist can't wish for a better deal.

    Replies: @Romanian, @Expletive Deleted, @Bies Podkrakowski

    Also hilariously, they are doing the reactionaries’ work of compiling priority deportation lists for political agitators for them. There was a reason various fringe parties in the old days kept their member lists a secret.

  75. Where this Dutch party is openly Supremacist, Sadiq Khan seems a lot closer to the Houllebecq character in that he can present as reasonable and enjoys widespread support from moderate whites. He certainly could be Prime Minister in 2025 and usher in a soft Sharia state 2025-2035. I’m sure many whites would prefer that to the civil war alternative. Unfortunately a Sadiqist state would only be a prelude to a much worse civil war as the most radical Islamists will keep pushing for a full Islamic State. From 2035 or so we’re quite likely to see ‘moderate’ Sadiqist Islamists offering to ally with the whites to protect them from the Daesh type ‘extremists’ – while entrenching Islamic rule.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Simon in London

    Very astute analysis--I could see something like that happening.

  76. @Anonym
    To the extent that nonwhites join it, this new party is probably a good thing as it further splits white labor away from the coalition of the fringes, where it is out of place.

    Replies: @unpc downunder

    Good point, let them have their identity politics cul-de-sac. And let them fight among themselves without white liberals around to keep things civilised.

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Despite the Labour Party’s present turmoil – and loss of Scotland and of much of the English working class, it would be foolish to write them off.

    The sheer magnitude and scale of Britain’s demographic transformation warn against that.
    Already around 20% non-white, the non-white population reliably doubles every 15 years.
    The ethnically English – Tory voting – population has declined, markedly, every year since at least 1972 – a long, long time ago now.
    Such is the scale of demographic change that the loss of Scotland and the English working class will only cause a 5 year – one parliament – ‘blip’ in long term change.

    Ironically, the Scots rejected Labour because they finally realised that New Labour was a neo-liberal party, and that a genuine socialist alternative – the SNP – was at hand.
    Labour is now trending back to its hard left roots – this change is likely to be permanent in nature. The demographic changes will really be felt from the 2030s onwards – not terribly remote from present -.
    Therefore expect the England of the mid 21st century to be a fairly hard-core socialist state.

  78. @Tiny Duck
    Bwahahaha

    The time of the white man is OVER!

    Die and curse in vein

    Replies: @Anonymous, @TomSchmidt, @dc.sunsets, @Richard Steele, @Expletive Deleted, @Rb

  79. According to the Dutch central bureau of statistics, about 4.4 percent of Dutch citizens have a Moroccan background and 3.5 percent are of Turkish origin.

    These numbers are bogus. There are less than 400.000 of either group in the Netherlands. So about 2.3% of the Dutch population for both groups.

    Denk started when two hardcore nationalist Turks split of from the PvdA (the main dutch labor party). They might want to attract more people outside their group, but I don’t think that is really possible. The Muslims in our nation are very xenophobic. Even after more than 50 years living in this country together they still don’t in integrate with their fellow Muslims. Moroccans and Turks don’t like each other. Turks and Turkish Kurds don’t like each other. And now Turks are fighting among themselves over Erdogan here.

    Without any big Moroccan names they will simply stay a Turkish party. Good for a few seats in parliament but nothing more.

  80. @syonredux
    @SPMoore8

    There's a lot of phenotypal variety in the Anatolian Peninsula.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    Perhaps central Anatolia would benefit from another period of Celtic rule? With compulsory Welsh lessons for all.
    It would certainly improve their football (round & egg-ball) game.
    Would also reinvigorate the local whisky, beer and sausage appreciation societies, as the original Galatians were some sort of Bavarian or Bohemian (via the Balkans) I think.

  81. @maciano
    i'm dutch and i'm very glad DENK is here.

    1) DENK is run by a very unappealing incompetent people. That's amusing.

    2) DENK pushes well-meaning Dutch progs to the rightwing. DENK openly states the white majority must adapt to the immigrants. Even leftists have had it up to here w/ islam.

    3) DENK also trolls leftist foreigners for being assimilated. This triggers an intra-left fight. Also amusing.

    4) DENK (founders are two Turks) is deliciously hypocritical. They will bitch abt microaggressions in parliament while they were completely silent on Erdogan's contra-coup. Even the most braindead moron distrusts them for this.

    All in all great. I could try to convince by arguments about third worlders' non-assimilation, but i'm delighted there's now a party who broadcast this view nationally, daily and proudly.

    A nationalist can't wish for a better deal.

    Replies: @Romanian, @Expletive Deleted, @Bies Podkrakowski

    “Denk” means “balance” or something.
    They missed off the “-taş” bit. Probably too awkward for compositors of Dutch headlines.

    Rauf Denktash was the first president of the unrecognised Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC). His consistent purpose was to destroy for ever the concept of a single Cypriot nation state, common to both Greeks and Turks.
    He believed it should be replaced by two ethnically cleansed “statelets” linked only by a very weak confederal authority. Otherwise, he threatened from time to time, he would either merge the TRNC with Turkey or declare it fully independent and put an end to the periodic reunification talks.

  82. @reiner Tor
    @iSteveFan

    Tatjana Maul is a somewhat swarthy white European. On other pictures her skin looks whiter, and - unlike this photo you linked in - on most photos her hair doesn't even appear to be black, it's probably dark brown.

    But immigrants from anywhere (including other white countries) often side with minoritariarism.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    She looks like a Mexican. Build that wall!

  83. @maciano
    i'm dutch and i'm very glad DENK is here.

    1) DENK is run by a very unappealing incompetent people. That's amusing.

    2) DENK pushes well-meaning Dutch progs to the rightwing. DENK openly states the white majority must adapt to the immigrants. Even leftists have had it up to here w/ islam.

    3) DENK also trolls leftist foreigners for being assimilated. This triggers an intra-left fight. Also amusing.

    4) DENK (founders are two Turks) is deliciously hypocritical. They will bitch abt microaggressions in parliament while they were completely silent on Erdogan's contra-coup. Even the most braindead moron distrusts them for this.

    All in all great. I could try to convince by arguments about third worlders' non-assimilation, but i'm delighted there's now a party who broadcast this view nationally, daily and proudly.

    A nationalist can't wish for a better deal.

    Replies: @Romanian, @Expletive Deleted, @Bies Podkrakowski

    So you think Denk doesn’t stand a chance of gaining more support? From my perspective it looks as something I’ve always been afraid of: a Party of Demographic Replacement that in coming years will be slowly but surely working for increase of migrant population. Other political parties will need votes so they will from time to time ally with Denk and allow for additional increase of funds for “migrant acceptance”.

    Looks scary to me.

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    The ironic thing is that people will only want to migrate to countries like the Netherlands as long as they have white majorities. Once the Netherlands and other previously white countries start to look like Pakistan and Bangladesh, the number of people who want to migrate to them will drop significantly.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Anonymous

    , @maciano
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Dutch tolerance is a myth. It relates to being less antisemitic than the rest of Europe, bookprinting & a non-genocidal protestant-catholic conflict. Since the 20th century we also had to overcome high population density.

    Tolerance was an agreement to disagree. Muslims don't honor it. We're not going to take crap for much longer.

    And we're done w/ all this US imported antiracist madness, too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @IHTG
    Can any Dutch people here tell us if this party has any chance of making it into the parliament or if it's just a gimmick?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In fact they are already in the Parliament; the party was started when two MP’s left the PvdA (Labour). For comparison there are 150 seats in De Tweede Kamer (basically the House of Commons). From preliminary polls it seems they will be able to keep these two seats.

    Since the Dutch Parliamentary system is direct representation there are a high number of political parties (~12) including slightly wacky parties like the Partij van de Dieren (literally the Animal Party) and 50Plus (The Senior Party).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Are any of the MPs - or even party members of the 'Animal Party' actually animals?

    It seems odd to have humans representing an 'Animal Party'.
    The mental image is of some kind of Disneyesque/sesame Street cutesy, cuddly 'congress of animals' sitting around a table. perhaps Steve's old standbys Lionel Tiger and Robin Fox could serve on the board of advisors.

    Anyway, didn't old AEsop himself have a fable or two about an 'animal congress'.
    One could hardly expect a fox and a rabbit sitting at the same board table - any more than say the most 'screaming' gay and the most blood thirsty islamist - Democrat Party, anyone?

    , @IHTG
    @Anonymous

    That's not unfamiliar to me.

  85. @iSteveFan

    In November, a former Miss Netherlands, Tatjana Maul, whose mother was an immigrant from Macedonia and whose father was Polish and Dutch, became Denk’s chief communications officer.
     
    From this description you would think the girl would be white European. Macedonians and Poles are Slaves and the Dutch are the Dutch. But from this photo it appears she is not fully white European. Is this the case or does she just have a really good tan? After all why would she join the party of the coalition of the fringes?

    “We are living in a country where white supremacy is alive, it has always been alive, and it is getting louder. We have to respond to that.
     
    And why wouldn't it be? It's a white country.

    Replies: @Half Canadian, @rumblefish, @Hubbub, @Anonymous, @reiner Tor, @Unzerker

    Have you seen pictures of the singer Rita Ora? She looks like Rihanna but she is 100% Albanian.
    Eastern Mediterraneans can look very swarthy.

  86. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white? Both of those of 40 percent and 25 percent Chinese. Maul probably is less than 10 percent turkish, and turks themselves have a lot of Caucasian genes, and this is coming from someone who silviosilver said was a one dropper. Unless her Macedonian mother is half turkish she's white period.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @little tripoli, @Joe Walker, @HA, @Expletive Deleted

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white?

    Just off the top of my head, I think you may be vastly overestimating the percentage of the readership here who have any opinion what-so-ever about some mysterious person apparently known as “Alexa Chung.”

  87. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white? Both of those of 40 percent and 25 percent Chinese. Maul probably is less than 10 percent turkish, and turks themselves have a lot of Caucasian genes, and this is coming from someone who silviosilver said was a one dropper. Unless her Macedonian mother is half turkish she's white period.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @little tripoli, @Joe Walker, @HA, @Expletive Deleted

    Jude law ain’t chinese.

  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @IHTG

    In fact they are already in the Parliament; the party was started when two MP's left the PvdA (Labour). For comparison there are 150 seats in De Tweede Kamer (basically the House of Commons). From preliminary polls it seems they will be able to keep these two seats.

    Since the Dutch Parliamentary system is direct representation there are a high number of political parties (~12) including slightly wacky parties like the Partij van de Dieren (literally the Animal Party) and 50Plus (The Senior Party).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @IHTG

    Are any of the MPs – or even party members of the ‘Animal Party’ actually animals?

    It seems odd to have humans representing an ‘Animal Party’.
    The mental image is of some kind of Disneyesque/sesame Street cutesy, cuddly ‘congress of animals’ sitting around a table. perhaps Steve’s old standbys Lionel Tiger and Robin Fox could serve on the board of advisors.

    Anyway, didn’t old AEsop himself have a fable or two about an ‘animal congress’.
    One could hardly expect a fox and a rabbit sitting at the same board table – any more than say the most ‘screaming’ gay and the most blood thirsty islamist – Democrat Party, anyone?

  89. @Grandpa Jack
    @Dave Pinsen

    The Dutch should find some minorities who like 'Zwarte Piet' and pitch him from the angle that he is beloved as a mascot by brown folks, and how we couldn't possibly get rid of such a beloved fellow of the minorities as this.

    Speedy Gonzalez was denounced as a racist caricature until some Mexicans started to express their admiration for him, then he was 'hands off'.

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    I think it would just be better to deport all these Thirdworlders back to the hellholes they crawled out of.

  90. @Auntie Analogue
    One. More. Time:

    Import The Third World And You ARE The Third World.

    Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR, @Joe Walker

    If these immigrants find Europe so racist then why don’t they go back to where they came from?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Joe Walker

    File that under the heading of 'Great Unexplained Mysteries of the World'.


    Hint: The Economist magazine will start to traduce your character by calling you 'stupid' for even daring to vocalize the name of the god whose name can never be uttered.

  91. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white? Both of those of 40 percent and 25 percent Chinese. Maul probably is less than 10 percent turkish, and turks themselves have a lot of Caucasian genes, and this is coming from someone who silviosilver said was a one dropper. Unless her Macedonian mother is half turkish she's white period.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @little tripoli, @Joe Walker, @HA, @Expletive Deleted

    I don’t consider Alexa Chung to be white. Jude Law, on the other hand, is mostly English with some Scottish.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/jude-law

  92. @Bies Podkrakowski
    @maciano

    So you think Denk doesn't stand a chance of gaining more support? From my perspective it looks as something I've always been afraid of: a Party of Demographic Replacement that in coming years will be slowly but surely working for increase of migrant population. Other political parties will need votes so they will from time to time ally with Denk and allow for additional increase of funds for "migrant acceptance".

    Looks scary to me.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @maciano

    The ironic thing is that people will only want to migrate to countries like the Netherlands as long as they have white majorities. Once the Netherlands and other previously white countries start to look like Pakistan and Bangladesh, the number of people who want to migrate to them will drop significantly.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Joe Walker

    Is this supposed to cheer us up?

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    , @Anonymous
    @Joe Walker

    Absolutely.

    That's the whole point of it. The biologists would call it 'parasitism'.

  93. @Simon in London
    Where this Dutch party is openly Supremacist, Sadiq Khan seems a lot closer to the Houllebecq character in that he can present as reasonable and enjoys widespread support from moderate whites. He certainly could be Prime Minister in 2025 and usher in a soft Sharia state 2025-2035. I'm sure many whites would prefer that to the civil war alternative. Unfortunately a Sadiqist state would only be a prelude to a much worse civil war as the most radical Islamists will keep pushing for a full Islamic State. From 2035 or so we're quite likely to see 'moderate' Sadiqist Islamists offering to ally with the whites to protect them from the Daesh type 'extremists' - while entrenching Islamic rule.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    Very astute analysis–I could see something like that happening.

  94. @Anonymous
    @IHTG

    In fact they are already in the Parliament; the party was started when two MP's left the PvdA (Labour). For comparison there are 150 seats in De Tweede Kamer (basically the House of Commons). From preliminary polls it seems they will be able to keep these two seats.

    Since the Dutch Parliamentary system is direct representation there are a high number of political parties (~12) including slightly wacky parties like the Partij van de Dieren (literally the Animal Party) and 50Plus (The Senior Party).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @IHTG

    That’s not unfamiliar to me.

  95. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white? Both of those of 40 percent and 25 percent Chinese. Maul probably is less than 10 percent turkish, and turks themselves have a lot of Caucasian genes, and this is coming from someone who silviosilver said was a one dropper. Unless her Macedonian mother is half turkish she's white period.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @little tripoli, @Joe Walker, @HA, @Expletive Deleted

  96. @Tiny Duck
    Bwahahaha

    The time of the white man is OVER!

    Die and curse in vein

    Replies: @Anonymous, @TomSchmidt, @dc.sunsets, @Richard Steele, @Expletive Deleted, @Rb

    That should be ‘vain’. The formation of ethnic political parties will end with the removal of their supporters.

  97. @Lot
    In Netherlands a party need only get 0.75% of the vote nationwide to get a seat in its lower house. This means a large collection of small parties are in their House, and there is very little "third party vote splitting." In fact, the largest party in the lower house, the mainstream right party, has only 40 of 150 seats yet is the leading party in the ruling coalition.

    A top priority for the Dutch right should be restricting the ballot. Right now people in prison can vote as long as their sentence is less than a year. I like the Florida (and some other states system) that provides a permanent ban on felons from voting. Not sure how long that will last under President Hillary and her 5th left wing Supreme Court vote though.

    I can see Breyer, already the most conservative of the 4 liberals, drifting to the right a little should he become the swing vote. He'd probably still mostly vote with the liberals, but also enjoy the power he'd have, that Kennedy and O'Connor clearly enjoyed for two decades, of being the swing vote that the lawyers, parties, government, and other justices all have to pander too.

    (If Merrick Garland ends up on the court he'd be the swing vote on criminal issues and Breyer would be the swing vote on every thing else. Garland is surprisingly anti-criminal and votes with conservative appeals judges on criminal issues about 80% of the time).

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Garland is not “anti-criminal” but anti-Bill of Rights. The Second and Fourth Amendments will be even more widely violated with him on the court.

  98. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    So you people consider her nonwhite and yet consider alexa chung and Jude law white? Both of those of 40 percent and 25 percent Chinese. Maul probably is less than 10 percent turkish, and turks themselves have a lot of Caucasian genes, and this is coming from someone who silviosilver said was a one dropper. Unless her Macedonian mother is half turkish she's white period.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe, @little tripoli, @Joe Walker, @HA, @Expletive Deleted

    Jude Law is an Englishman with a Scottish surname, who looks Scottish (c.f. Daniel Craig).
    What are you blithering about?

    • Replies: @gbloco
    @Expletive Deleted

    For some reason is father was particular prone to playing asiatic characters.....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Law_(actor)

  99. “she also said [the Netherlands] was “in denial” about its role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.”

    Bizarre. There is no trans-Atlantic slave trade, so that’s not something any living Dutch should care about.

  100. @syonredux
    @SPMoore8

    Kemal Atatürk


    Due to the sizeable minority of Jews in Selanik during the Ottoman period, many of Atatürk's Islamist opponents have eagerly claimed that he may have had Dönmeh ancestors (Jews who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period).[21] However, his grandparents were not native to Selanik, and his family had moved to this city (the largest metropolis in Ottoman Rumelia after Istanbul) in the late 19th century, from other provinces of the Ottoman Empire. There are also some suggestions about the possibility of his Slavic origin, based on his light skin complexion, blond hair and blue eyes.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk

    https://www.google.com/search?q=turks&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9uvjSmJrOAhVEzWMKHXgdCXgQ_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=667#tbm=isch&q=kemal+ataturk&imgrc=H7QFXXBSjP7nRM%3A

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Zach

    Mustafa Kemal is considered to be Albanian and had many Albanian characteristics, such as an antipathy to religion. It was natural for Ottoman Albanians to join the military.

  101. @Bies Podkrakowski
    @maciano

    So you think Denk doesn't stand a chance of gaining more support? From my perspective it looks as something I've always been afraid of: a Party of Demographic Replacement that in coming years will be slowly but surely working for increase of migrant population. Other political parties will need votes so they will from time to time ally with Denk and allow for additional increase of funds for "migrant acceptance".

    Looks scary to me.

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @maciano

    Dutch tolerance is a myth. It relates to being less antisemitic than the rest of Europe, bookprinting & a non-genocidal protestant-catholic conflict. Since the 20th century we also had to overcome high population density.

    Tolerance was an agreement to disagree. Muslims don’t honor it. We’re not going to take crap for much longer.

    And we’re done w/ all this US imported antiracist madness, too.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @maciano

    From where I sit in (Poland) you still look damn tolerant to me. I am getting my info (not very much of it) from our own national media. Our liberals praise you as a role model, that we should imitate to in order to reach higher state of progressive consciousness, the other team sees you as a den of homosexual iniquity living in perpetual weed haze.

    Internet is not much better.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  102. @Joe Walker
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    The ironic thing is that people will only want to migrate to countries like the Netherlands as long as they have white majorities. Once the Netherlands and other previously white countries start to look like Pakistan and Bangladesh, the number of people who want to migrate to them will drop significantly.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Anonymous

    Is this supposed to cheer us up?

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Not really. It was just something I noticed.

  103. @maciano
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Dutch tolerance is a myth. It relates to being less antisemitic than the rest of Europe, bookprinting & a non-genocidal protestant-catholic conflict. Since the 20th century we also had to overcome high population density.

    Tolerance was an agreement to disagree. Muslims don't honor it. We're not going to take crap for much longer.

    And we're done w/ all this US imported antiracist madness, too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

    From where I sit in (Poland) you still look damn tolerant to me. I am getting my info (not very much of it) from our own national media. Our liberals praise you as a role model, that we should imitate to in order to reach higher state of progressive consciousness, the other team sees you as a den of homosexual iniquity living in perpetual weed haze.

    Internet is not much better.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Polak, Wegier, dwa bratanki,
    i do szabli, i do szklanki.
    This brotherhood extends even to our respective medias, which seem indistinguishable. At least, how they report about the Dutch (and other Western European countries).

  104. @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Joe Walker

    Is this supposed to cheer us up?

    Replies: @Joe Walker

    Not really. It was just something I noticed.

  105. @Bies Podkrakowski
    @maciano

    From where I sit in (Poland) you still look damn tolerant to me. I am getting my info (not very much of it) from our own national media. Our liberals praise you as a role model, that we should imitate to in order to reach higher state of progressive consciousness, the other team sees you as a den of homosexual iniquity living in perpetual weed haze.

    Internet is not much better.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Polak, Wegier, dwa bratanki,
    i do szabli, i do szklanki.
    This brotherhood extends even to our respective medias, which seem indistinguishable. At least, how they report about the Dutch (and other Western European countries).

  106. The threat of Islamic rebellion and thousands of Car-b -ques have put off EU cuts that needed to be made making the debt problem worse.

    Deficits fund foreign invasion, trade deficits are settled with wealthy foreigners moving in.

    The EU is in a war with the old soviet union’s bankers and losing badly.

    The paradigm has been done before to the EU with the same tools and players.

    Assignment of personal liability for refugees would cure the problem immediately, renter revenue taxes and collective corporate liabilities imposed too.

    What’s happening to the EU and US is pure economic – political leverage, a huge cost shift cram down is occurring and those pushing it are profiteering not paying.

    A change in public policy can immediately turn the tables on the profiteers and eat their liabilities.

  107. @Expletive Deleted
    @Anonymous

    Jude Law is an Englishman with a Scottish surname, who looks Scottish (c.f. Daniel Craig).
    What are you blithering about?

    Replies: @gbloco

    For some reason is father was particular prone to playing asiatic characters…..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Law_(actor)

  108. @gbloco
    Guess the identity of the British minister proposing to ban alcohol at airports?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/29/banning-alcohol-airports-worst-idea

    Replies: @gbloco

    I’m going to reply to myself because no-one has picked this up!!

    A muslim cabinet member in the UK proposes banning article in public areas. Submission is here!!!

  109. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @SPMoore8


    That’s good. But I would say that supports my hypothesis that Slavs were brought into Anatolia, which often was done by enslavement.
     
    It is not a hypothesis, Crimean Tatars engaged in slave raids in modern Ukraine, Belerus, and Russia for hundreds of years and kidnapped millions of people, with Turkey the primary destination. In areas under direct Ottoman control, they were also kidnapped in smaller numbers, and some ambitious south slavs converted to Islam, joined the military, and retired to Anatolia.

    There’s also the whole Circassian thing. I once had a blond blue eyed Jewish doctor who insisted that it was due to that ancestry.
     
    Circassian has the broad meaning of white Muslims living in what is now Ukraine and Russia who mostly fled to Turkey when Russia reconquered the area and expelled its Muslim population. They were probably related to the Khazers, but that theory of the origin of Ashkenazi has been debunked. There is no reason to think Circassians ever intermixed much with Jews. Jewish settlement in Russia and Ukraine largely came as a result of the Christian reconquest of the region which had been depopulated by endless war and slave raiding.

    I think it is likely the ancient Levantine Jews always had light colored eyes in small numbers, but close to none would have been blond as adults. The moderate number of Ashkenazi who are as light featured as Scandanavians/Balts/North Germans are a result of an initial mixing with north Italians and south French, who sometimes show that phenotype, later further intermixing with North/NE Europeans, and finally the same selective pressures from their ~1100 years in Northern Europe that caused other Northern European groups to gain lighter features.

    I am curious as to which of these "lightening" factors was most important. Cochran says there was not much north euro introgression into the Ashkenazi gene pool, with low rate of mixed marriages and most of the children from them leaving the gene pool. That suggests selection effects as to why northern and central european Ashkenazi are considerably lighter than Romanian Ashkenazi.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There has been some East European admixture in the Ashkenazi gene pool, but it is less than the amount of South European admixture. Here is a link to the newest paper about European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews: The Time and Place of European Admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish History. Greg Cochran has already posted about it at his blog as has Razib Khan.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Is there northwestern European admixture from the Rhineland?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  110. @Anonymous
    @Lot

    There has been some East European admixture in the Ashkenazi gene pool, but it is less than the amount of South European admixture. Here is a link to the newest paper about European admixture in Ashkenazi Jews: The Time and Place of European Admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish History. Greg Cochran has already posted about it at his blog as has Razib Khan.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Is there northwestern European admixture from the Rhineland?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    In the text of the article (which is available for free), the authors favor that the Northern European admixture is Eastern European rather than Western European, but the evidence is not decisive.

  111. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Is there northwestern European admixture from the Rhineland?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In the text of the article (which is available for free), the authors favor that the Northern European admixture is Eastern European rather than Western European, but the evidence is not decisive.

  112. @Joe Walker
    @Auntie Analogue

    If these immigrants find Europe so racist then why don't they go back to where they came from?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    File that under the heading of ‘Great Unexplained Mysteries of the World’.

    Hint: The Economist magazine will start to traduce your character by calling you ‘stupid’ for even daring to vocalize the name of the god whose name can never be uttered.

  113. @Joe Walker
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    The ironic thing is that people will only want to migrate to countries like the Netherlands as long as they have white majorities. Once the Netherlands and other previously white countries start to look like Pakistan and Bangladesh, the number of people who want to migrate to them will drop significantly.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Anonymous

    Absolutely.

    That’s the whole point of it. The biologists would call it ‘parasitism’.

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