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Cristina Cuomo, the 50 year old wife of CNN talking head Chris Cuomo and sister-in-law of the current New York governor and daughter-in-law of a former New York governor, has some medical advice:

The more a woman has had males staring raptly at her while she talks since she turned 13, the more likely she is to believe in energy fields and the importance of a good flow of energy.

 
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  1. It depends.

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they’re about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout “compliments” at them on the street.

    But yes, when you have the ability to sit next to someone when they’re sad or angry or in any way negative, and your smile just makes them smile in return, you’re going to have daily living proof of how “positive energy” works. Whether you accept it on a deep level or just use it as a metaphor, it need not matter.

    • Replies: @fnn
    Women About 30 with Pit Bulls.
    , @scrivener3
    Some powerful men get turned off their power when they discover hot young nubile pneumatic women are only interested in their power. Most do not.
    , @Jim Christian

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they’re about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout “compliments” at them on the street.
     
    Yes, but when hot women are no longer hot, they complain that they are invisible and no one pays them any attention of any kind.. In any event, complaint.
    , @Forbes
    A 50-year old "hot" woman is a contradiction, an oxymoron.

    Assuredly, there are well-preserved, fit 50-year old (and older) women who know how to apply make-up, color their hair, and wear suitably fashionable clothing. Attractive, comely, handsome, even head-turning, yes--but "hot"? I don't think so.

    Mrs. Cuomo might've been hot when he was married. She'd be an unnoticed and unremarked passer-by on any sidewalk.
  2. Clorox baths! Looks like she’s following Trump’s advice about bleach!

    Does her husband know she watches Fox?

    I don’t think my insurance covers “vitamin drips” whatever they are. Though perhaps sharing bodily fluids with her might cure me of various things that ail me. At least one for sure

    All those positive energy fields and flows. Sounds like a plan I can get behind.

    I wonder if she’s available for house calls?

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    Clorox in her nether lands, feel the burn.

    PS She doesn't look that appealing in the provided image.
    , @Expletive Deleted
    Maybe they both admire Rashid Buttar of NC, and his peroxide jabs?
    He festers on about metals as well. "Heavy metal toxicity" is one of his angles. As though nobody knew that already. Where are my plutonium and lead teaspoons?
    Also claims to be able to "cure" autism in children by ... injecting them in the arse with their own piss.
  3. She might have a point. On the other hand, shouldn’t we check in with Melania Trump for her opinion. Then of course, back to Crystal Cuono for rebuttal, back to Melania, lather, rinse repeat. I mean really lather with all camera angles covered. I digress.

    After it becomes clear the two women can’t agree, and if they do agree then the intermediary isn’t doing her job, then we need face to face meeting, complete with wet t-shirt competition and mud wrestling. Or like they do at Daytona for bike week, cole slaw wrestling.

    Joe Biden should referee.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  4. I remember some writer, I think it was Irvin S. Cobb (similar to Mencken and wrote at about the same time), came up with a list of points to know when something is a pseudoscience. One of them was that the preponderance of people who believe in it are women.

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
    If you meet a woman and she has ever read (or claimed to have read) A Course in Miracles...well..you know.

    One of the things I noticed when I was a younger man and had an Arab-sufi-cum-spiritualist "light and love" girlfriend, from her and her fellow travelers--they are some of the most damaged, spiteful, petty, unloving, selfish people you will ever meet. And they are that way with each other too. They are also prone to scammy stuff (spiritual MLMs basically) where they try to share their crystals, oils and other charms to each other and friends their fellow travelers bring along.

    My g/f at the time (totally crazy and hot) had some older, probably bi-sexual, "spiritualist" guru who would do "energy work", which sounded like a low grade massage without the happy ending. In hindsight, it was a great learning experience and fun while it lasted (for me!)...for other reasons... Last I heard (years ago), this gal was post-wall living with some other spiritualist.
  5. She may have seen this documentary finale:

    • Agree: ic1000
  6. Christopher and his brother Andrew are consummate grifters and slimeballs yet they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee who made a good living with her TV show on the Food Network.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It's almost as if their father Mario Cuomo was one of the most famous politicians in the country in the 1980s.
    , @Tony
    Fame Power Money
    , @slumber_j
    And evidently Andrew Cuomo can't figure out how to tie a bow tie, which I always think is pretty funny. I guess Mario maybe didn't have that technology either, and Andrew is unfamiliar with the concept of YouTube.
    , @Prester John
    "Beauty, like supreme dominion /Is but supported by opinion", wrote the oft-lecherous Ben Franklin.

    Thus my opinion:

    "Andy's gal? Worth a look or two
    Chris's gal? Woof, woof, ahoooo!"
    , @Truth

    they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee
     
    Uh... no.

    https://youtu.be/kf_IOdcy3a8?t=21
  7. If Trump’s wife had shared her magical virus treatment it would be front page NYT and MSM smackdown. And, um, she is just ok in the looks deparment. Oh, and some one mentioned “rim jobs” before and the guy on the right is an asshole.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • LOL: black sea, JMcG
    • Replies: @JMcG
    Joe, I needed a laugh today and by God, that did it. Thank you!
  8. One is also more likely to believe in that if she didn’t study physics, chemistry, or biology in college. And if men have been staring at you since age 13, you probably aren’t studying those in college, but rather running around soaking up attention in your early 20s.

  9. I wouldn’t be staring raptly at her. She looks like a vapid wino.

  10. While I’m sure that there are plenty of smart babes and dumb dogs out there, there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks. We need more data.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    I read somewhere once that the French have a saying:

    Stupidity is too often beauty's imperfection,

    and I thought that was pretty good, but I've never been able to run it down.

    Google Translate gives that as
    La stupidité est trop souvent l'imperfection de la beauté,

    or using Baudelaire's term
    La bêtise est trop souvent l'imperfection de la beauté

    and when I fed that first one into the search engine, I found this:


    La bêtise est souvent un ornement de la beauté.
    Stupidity is often an ornament of beauty

    -- Charles Baudelaire

     

    But the second translation gave different results:


    https://p7.storage.canalblog.com/75/78/1569196/121289747.jpg

    "Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it is better to be totally ridiculous than totally boring.

    -- Marilyn Monroe

    Which may be one of those rare cases where something was gained in the translation.

    , @Forbes
    My rule is: Beauty fades, but stupidity is forever. Caveat emptor.
    , @Curle
    “ there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks”

    I’ve never really noticed it. What I have noticed is more pretty girls being put in positions where they get asked their opinions more often than the population of women generally. If beauty didn’t elevate otherwise middling minds you wouldn’t see the noted phenomenon.

    I have an ex who is very pretty, prominent and has a job where she’s asked questions all the time in public and where she’s briefed by staff before she ever opens her mouth. I got admitted to top ranked schools, including an Ivy, and was successful academically. She was not.

    She’s younger than me and I pretty much got her through a very mediocre curriculum at an extremely mediocre college where she was struggling on her own. If she wasn’t pretty she’d be a mom being asked 0 questions.

    People simply pay more attention to pretty girls no matter the intelligence.
    , @TomSchmidt
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201012/beautiful-people-really-are-more-intelligent

    Beautiful males are more likely to be intelligent, but they are positively correlated for both sexes.
  11. There’s an episode of 30 Rock that flips the genders.

    Liz Lemon is dating a doctor played by John Hamm. He does not know how to do anything correctly, because every woman always tells the handsome guy he’s right.

    The problem with the conceit, of course, is that other men would be happy to tell a guy who looks like John Hamm that he’s wrong.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber

    The problem with the conceit, of course, is that other men would be happy to tell a guy who looks like John Hamm that he’s wrong.
     
    Yes, but some guys are men's men, and some guys are ladies' men, and if you are enough of a ladies' man you can rise far in this world.
    , @Pericles
    In other words, Crystal hasn't gotten mansplained? That's a good thing, right? Feminism! Yet ... perhaps ... not good enough. So let me set up the next game. "Even if just one woman gets mansplained in America today, that is one woman too many. It is not who we are!"

    Joe Biden, do you read?
    , @Aeronerauk
    True, but you have to admit losing your hand trying to wave to a guy who looks like your high school gym teacher while flying in a helicopter in Africa is badass.

    Better than losing it to an IED in some stupid neocon war.
    , @Truth

    There’s an episode of 30 Rock that flips the genders.
     
    LMAO! Steve-O, should I?
  12. I could do without the botox, but there likely is some truth to folk wisdoms relating to energy flows. There is an electromagnetic component to the human nervous system that is largely ignored by modern science. I am not saying that she is right, just that there is likely an “energy” component to health and human consciousness that we do not fully comprehend quite yet.

    As I have noted previously, crystal adjacent businesses are ideal places to meet hot women.

    • Replies: @anon
    How is it ignored? Magnetoencephalography was invented nearly 50 ago for that reason, although only in the last 20 or so the available computing power is sufficient to process the data quickly enough.
  13. She and her husband Fredo….proud members of “The Party of Science”!

    • LOL: Muggles
  14. Cristina Cuomo, the 50 year old wife of CNN talking head Chris Cuomo

    Why the long face? Is she into horseplay? Will she react to ridicule with calm equinimity, or will she get spooked and hoof it when her critics feel their oats?

    • Agree: Marty
    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Hot to trot.
    Literally.
    , @Mr McKenna

    equinimity
     
    Triple-word score, sic.

    My compliments.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I think you are saddling her with criticism because her theory is not stable. But clearly this is not her first rodeo. She is not going to stall out here, that is just a lot of manure. She is not the type to die in harness; I believe she will plow through these difficulties and corral her critics without having to stirrup trouble. It is not hard to rein in disagreements once you stop champing at the bit. After all, "almost" only works for horseshoes and hand grenades.

    Now if you'll excuse me, there's a Patti Smith record I need to go listen to.
    , @Ozymandias
    Meow!
  15. I was listening to some of Michael Collins Piper’s radio show archives and I got a chuckle out of the advertisements. Alternative medicine, supplements, survivalist products, gold and silver investing, and so forth.

    • Replies: @fnn
    The late MCP was one of the great talk radio hosts of the 20th and 21st Centuries. He was a raconteur with a matchless sense of humor, but you probably need to have some tolerance of JQ discussion to appreciate him.
    , @jim jones
    I have a jar of supplements which claim to "support healthy DNA"
  16. I quibble with Steve’s conclusion, insofar as the type of beauty it applies to.

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.

    The woo-woo chicks, in my experience, tend to be second-tier beauties, sometimes late bloomers, cute enough for a second look but not the top-hotties. These women buy into the whole “energy” thing because they note that in some circumstances (e.g. when no HB-10s are around), they get a lot of male attention, but in other circumstances (e.g. when they are at a Vegas cocktail bar surrounded by 21 year old high-end escorts posing as patrons) they seem to be ignored.

    But instead of chalking it up to their own physical sexual market place value relative to other women, they instead get hoodwinked that its all about their internal chakras not being aligned, and how all they need to do is “self-actualize” and improve their self-esteem and they will get to be the center of attention they so thirst for.

    In short, instead of admitting the obvious—looks matter, and they are pretty-but-second-tier—these women go through a complicated denial process.

    N.B. This also applies to former top-tier hotties who have lost their looks—who’ve gotten older, but are still MILFy. Those types of women go through denial about it all being about looks, and many fall into hippie nonsense to try to assuage and cover their bruised egos.

    It’s sad that women can’t just accept these realities and concentrate on raising good families, being good wives, and being proud of those accomplishments. Would make them so much happier. Admitting it is the first step.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Quite possibly.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IQHdGaMxzxQ
    , @Lugash

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.
     
    I've had a couple of friends who had extremely attractive(HB11+++) daughters. Puberty for the daughters was not fun... overnight they became the subject of intense male interest. There's a joke about playing life on easy mode when you're a hot woman, but constantly being hit on, leered at,followed on the street, talked about by other girls and women, etc. is terrifying when you're 13. Both developed a neutral cynicism towards it and the world, but didn't really abuse it, although there were some times of Seinfelds 'Hot Girlfiend' episode.
    , @MBlanc46
    I’m skeptical that doing as you suggest would make women much happier, RG. But it sure would make men much happier.
  17. Anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    Zinc + C

    Natural antivirals: Elderberry gummies, ginger, garlic, black pepper.

    Get 20 minutes of outdoor light*

    * my gal seen a news item describing 400-something homeless in one city that were tested. 200-something were positive but all were asymptomatic. Vitamin D3 might be very important here.

    Do it just to disappoint Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Erin Burnett, Joe and Mika, Nicole Whatsherface, and all the rest of the pundits who hate Trump so much they are openly happy with every new death.

    • Replies: @Red Pill Angel
    The info about homeless is very interesting. I've been spending as much time in my garden as possible because sunshine just makes me feel better.

    It never occurred to me to associate woo-woo tendencies in women with being just "pretty enough for all practical purposes" (quoting my mother and Thornton Wilder in "Our Town"), but I admit to finding myself dangerously drawn to woo-woo of all kinds. It's a fun hobby. It used to be a nice way to meet up with other like-minded woo-woo ladies for teatime, since woo-woo ladies are usually fairly bright, read a lot, and take painting classes; now, though, all the other woo-woo ladies have gone off the deep end with TDS or come out as lesbians. It's no fun hanging around them anymore. I've only got one woo-woo art lady friend left who shifted right like I did.

  18. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Cristina Cuomo, the 50 year old wife of CNN talking head Chris Cuomo
     
    Why the long face? Is she into horseplay? Will she react to ridicule with calm equinimity, or will she get spooked and hoof it when her critics feel their oats?

    Hot to trot.
    Literally.

    • Replies: @fish
    Is their anyone who doesn't enjoy a good horse(face) joke!
  19. @Bubba
    Christopher and his brother Andrew are consummate grifters and slimeballs yet they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee who made a good living with her TV show on the Food Network.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/25/22/18937376-0-image-a-1_1569447272971.jpg

    It’s almost as if their father Mario Cuomo was one of the most famous politicians in the country in the 1980s.

    • LOL: Bubba
    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    When you have money and power and you are gay, you can get a pretty beard.
    , @Bubba
    And “Hamlet on the Hudson” Mario was no Hamlet nor Vito Corleone, but more like Johnny Ola.
  20. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Cristina Cuomo, the 50 year old wife of CNN talking head Chris Cuomo
     
    Why the long face? Is she into horseplay? Will she react to ridicule with calm equinimity, or will she get spooked and hoof it when her critics feel their oats?

    equinimity

    Triple-word score, sic.

    My compliments.

  21. @Muggles
    Clorox baths! Looks like she's following Trump's advice about bleach!

    Does her husband know she watches Fox?

    I don't think my insurance covers "vitamin drips" whatever they are. Though perhaps sharing bodily fluids with her might cure me of various things that ail me. At least one for sure

    All those positive energy fields and flows. Sounds like a plan I can get behind.

    I wonder if she's available for house calls?

    Clorox in her nether lands, feel the burn.

    PS She doesn’t look that appealing in the provided image.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Lysol, basically the same formula they sell today for floor cleaner, was promoted for female hygiene at one time.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lysol-original-use-women_n_5aa6d689e4b03c9edfae9848
  22. @Steve Sailer
    It's almost as if their father Mario Cuomo was one of the most famous politicians in the country in the 1980s.

    When you have money and power and you are gay, you can get a pretty beard.

  23. Andrew, azende me, tuzeprovenos sfachim

    • LOL: Peterike
    • Replies: @Bronxite
    Bob Grant , the king of talk radio would be proud of your comment about
    The malevelont countenanced son of the sfachim!

    We have slipped and slid to 3rd world status!
  24. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Cristina Cuomo, the 50 year old wife of CNN talking head Chris Cuomo
     
    Why the long face? Is she into horseplay? Will she react to ridicule with calm equinimity, or will she get spooked and hoof it when her critics feel their oats?

    I think you are saddling her with criticism because her theory is not stable. But clearly this is not her first rodeo. She is not going to stall out here, that is just a lot of manure. She is not the type to die in harness; I believe she will plow through these difficulties and corral her critics without having to stirrup trouble. It is not hard to rein in disagreements once you stop champing at the bit. After all, “almost” only works for horseshoes and hand grenades.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, there’s a Patti Smith record I need to go listen to.

    • Thanks: Meretricious
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Now if you’ll excuse me, there’s a Patti Smith record I need to go listen to.
     
    Well I hear you went up to Saratoga
    And your horse, naturally, won


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cleCtBP0o5Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j13oJajXx0M
  25. I’ve noticed that guys that consistently analyze women on the basis of looks to the point where they coined multiple laws of journalism about it generally don’t marry the most attractive women. I call it Haysom’s first law of male noticers.

    • Troll: Big Dick Bandit
    • Replies: @Mehen
    Hardly surprised to see you say that.
  26. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Cristina Cuomo, the 50 year old wife of CNN talking head Chris Cuomo
     
    Why the long face? Is she into horseplay? Will she react to ridicule with calm equinimity, or will she get spooked and hoof it when her critics feel their oats?

    Meow!

  27. @Bubba
    Christopher and his brother Andrew are consummate grifters and slimeballs yet they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee who made a good living with her TV show on the Food Network.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/25/22/18937376-0-image-a-1_1569447272971.jpg

    Fame Power Money

    • Agree: Bubba
  28. @R.G. Camara
    I quibble with Steve's conclusion, insofar as the type of beauty it applies to.

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.

    The woo-woo chicks, in my experience, tend to be second-tier beauties, sometimes late bloomers, cute enough for a second look but not the top-hotties. These women buy into the whole "energy" thing because they note that in some circumstances (e.g. when no HB-10s are around), they get a lot of male attention, but in other circumstances (e.g. when they are at a Vegas cocktail bar surrounded by 21 year old high-end escorts posing as patrons) they seem to be ignored.

    But instead of chalking it up to their own physical sexual market place value relative to other women, they instead get hoodwinked that its all about their internal chakras not being aligned, and how all they need to do is "self-actualize" and improve their self-esteem and they will get to be the center of attention they so thirst for.

    In short, instead of admitting the obvious---looks matter, and they are pretty-but-second-tier---these women go through a complicated denial process.

    N.B. This also applies to former top-tier hotties who have lost their looks---who've gotten older, but are still MILFy. Those types of women go through denial about it all being about looks, and many fall into hippie nonsense to try to assuage and cover their bruised egos.

    It's sad that women can't just accept these realities and concentrate on raising good families, being good wives, and being proud of those accomplishments. Would make them so much happier. Admitting it is the first step.

    Quite possibly.

  29. @Steve Sailer
    It's almost as if their father Mario Cuomo was one of the most famous politicians in the country in the 1980s.

    And “Hamlet on the Hudson” Mario was no Hamlet nor Vito Corleone, but more like Johnny Ola.

  30. How disappointing. I thought it was going to be about a hotwife similar to the spouse of Roger Stone that he described as “insatiable” when he advertised for men to help satisfy her.

    Cristina is the type of spiritual lady that will never stray, but would become absolutely hysterical if asked for a divorce, even though she is married to a man dubbed “Fredo”.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Fredo Cuomo is Fredo Corleone but with better looks (no homo).

    The show Sex and the City had a term for such an airheaded good-looking guy, usually one with money or fame:

    a Himbo.

    Fredo Cuomo is a definite Himbo.
  31. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Hot to trot.
    Literally.

    Is their anyone who doesn’t enjoy a good horse(face) joke!

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Celine Dion, Sarah Jessica Parker?
  32. @UK
    It depends.

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they're about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout "compliments" at them on the street.

    But yes, when you have the ability to sit next to someone when they're sad or angry or in any way negative, and your smile just makes them smile in return, you're going to have daily living proof of how "positive energy" works. Whether you accept it on a deep level or just use it as a metaphor, it need not matter.

    Women About 30 with Pit Bulls.

  33. “We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy.”

    Sure, why not?

  34. Recently when I go to YouTube they show me adverts for a body – cleansing footbath. Is that you, Kevin Trudeau?

  35. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I think you are saddling her with criticism because her theory is not stable. But clearly this is not her first rodeo. She is not going to stall out here, that is just a lot of manure. She is not the type to die in harness; I believe she will plow through these difficulties and corral her critics without having to stirrup trouble. It is not hard to rein in disagreements once you stop champing at the bit. After all, "almost" only works for horseshoes and hand grenades.

    Now if you'll excuse me, there's a Patti Smith record I need to go listen to.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, there’s a Patti Smith record I need to go listen to.

    Well I hear you went up to Saratoga
    And your horse, naturally, won

    [MORE]

  36. Elmore Leonard covered this topic beautifully in “Maximum Bob.”

    Bob has a lot of fun trying to tease his spacey wife.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Read everything Elmore Leonard ever wrote. You won't be disappointed.
  37. @gregor
    I was listening to some of Michael Collins Piper's radio show archives and I got a chuckle out of the advertisements. Alternative medicine, supplements, survivalist products, gold and silver investing, and so forth.

    The late MCP was one of the great talk radio hosts of the 20th and 21st Centuries. He was a raconteur with a matchless sense of humor, but you probably need to have some tolerance of JQ discussion to appreciate him.

    • Replies: @gregor
    I've found a lot of his commentary interesting to say the least. A lot of it is stuff I'd never heard before. For example, he says the OKC bombing was basically an inside job and McVeigh was steered into the plot by agent provocateurs working for the Feds. And he says Hugo Chavez was not such a bad guy and the reason the Western media hated him so much was simply because he was wise to international finance and the IMF scam. "Big if true" as they say.
  38. Steve, any thoughts on how Cuomo (A.) has handled the Covid crisis in New York State, compared with Trump’s handling of the situation nationwide?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Rob, I live in NYS and Andy's doing really well. That is if you consider Iwo Jima like numbers real well.
  39. @R.G. Camara
    I quibble with Steve's conclusion, insofar as the type of beauty it applies to.

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.

    The woo-woo chicks, in my experience, tend to be second-tier beauties, sometimes late bloomers, cute enough for a second look but not the top-hotties. These women buy into the whole "energy" thing because they note that in some circumstances (e.g. when no HB-10s are around), they get a lot of male attention, but in other circumstances (e.g. when they are at a Vegas cocktail bar surrounded by 21 year old high-end escorts posing as patrons) they seem to be ignored.

    But instead of chalking it up to their own physical sexual market place value relative to other women, they instead get hoodwinked that its all about their internal chakras not being aligned, and how all they need to do is "self-actualize" and improve their self-esteem and they will get to be the center of attention they so thirst for.

    In short, instead of admitting the obvious---looks matter, and they are pretty-but-second-tier---these women go through a complicated denial process.

    N.B. This also applies to former top-tier hotties who have lost their looks---who've gotten older, but are still MILFy. Those types of women go through denial about it all being about looks, and many fall into hippie nonsense to try to assuage and cover their bruised egos.

    It's sad that women can't just accept these realities and concentrate on raising good families, being good wives, and being proud of those accomplishments. Would make them so much happier. Admitting it is the first step.

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.

    I’ve had a couple of friends who had extremely attractive(HB11+++) daughters. Puberty for the daughters was not fun… overnight they became the subject of intense male interest. There’s a joke about playing life on easy mode when you’re a hot woman, but constantly being hit on, leered at,followed on the street, talked about by other girls and women, etc. is terrifying when you’re 13. Both developed a neutral cynicism towards it and the world, but didn’t really abuse it, although there were some times of Seinfelds ‘Hot Girlfiend’ episode.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    I think the presence of good fathers in the home tempers a lot of hot females' (well, all females') potential sociopathic or nasty mean traits, because such girls have a positive, attractive (most girls have an innocent childhood crush on their dads) male around who isn't trying to get in their pants and whom they can see in a decent light---and also who is a very useful counterweight and all in battles with their mother, whom most girls fight with from the age of 10-25.

    That all makes them have sympathy towards males and thus not see them all as something to be used, abused, and discarded when done.

    I would bet your friends' daughters had their fathers around.

    On a related note, women really cannot understand how looks-dominated male sexual attraction is as compared to their own, which is much more holistic. It's why they constantly try to make excuses for uglier friends: "but she's got such a nice personality, she has a good job, etc." Projection.

    Anyway, if you ever meet a female with extreme personality problems, you can bet on her coming from a broken home where Daddy wasn't around or else abused her.

    , @scrivener3
    What a horror, 50% of the whole world approaches you on bended knee! Other women hate you for your power.

    What is puberty like for an average male? 20% chance they will never father a family, No one in the universe cares if you come to the party or not. Never the subject of intense female interest unless earned by effort distinguishing yourself.

    Life is not a bowl of cherries for anyone but for you to make the argument that beauty suffers equal to or more than ugly is a joke. A very attractive woman exerts a hypnotic effect on me.
    , @ScarletNumber
    I used to teach middle school. If I wanted I could write an anthropological study of what I saw there. It was scary watching the students interact with each other. As for the girls, some of them were stunningly pretty. Some of them had their heads firmly on their shoulders and didn't take advantage of the situation, while others were blatantly manipulative. And heaven help you if you stood in the way of a pretty girl and what she wanted. It was amusing when you saw a second-tier girl try to act like a top-tier girl as well.

    As for a connection to this blog one of the girl's fathers has been mentioned in this blog by Steve. The girl was top tier but she had a firm head on her shoulders, probably from having a well-renowned father. The parents were divorced but he was an active part of her life, and the family had an au pair.
  40. @G. Poulin
    While I'm sure that there are plenty of smart babes and dumb dogs out there, there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks. We need more data.

    I read somewhere once that the French have a saying:

    Stupidity is too often beauty’s imperfection,

    and I thought that was pretty good, but I’ve never been able to run it down.

    Google Translate gives that as
    La stupidité est trop souvent l’imperfection de la beauté,

    or using Baudelaire’s term
    La bêtise est trop souvent l’imperfection de la beauté

    and when I fed that first one into the search engine, I found this:

    La bêtise est souvent un ornement de la beauté.
    Stupidity is often an ornament of beauty

    — Charles Baudelaire

    But the second translation gave different results:


    “Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it is better to be totally ridiculous than totally boring.

    — Marilyn Monroe

    Which may be one of those rare cases where something was gained in the translation.

  41. Carl Zimmer is ridiculing Cristina Cuomo on Twitter? That’s rich. His Amy-Harmonesque pseudoscience is more harmful to society than anything Cristina Cuomo is saying.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    Too right.

    I've noticed an uptick on manly man chat sites like Gab and iSteve (and what manly man frequents a "chat"?) ridiculing "women" as stupid because they all believe in astrology or crystal energy or such like. I suspect this is a defense mechanism (what, lonely guys online need a defense mechanism?) for the many who allowed "experts" to fool them into thinking imaginary lines on graphs meant "science" proved millions would die unless we stayed in our basements for an indefinite period. That, combined with "there are no races" genetic "experts", have done more harm to the world than all the "crystals are magic" notions combined.

    Read that two-pages of gobbledy-gook Taleb and that guy from "the Center for the Study of Complex Things" posted about "Everyone must sit in their basement and wear masks or we'll all die" and then tell me about our "sciencey" men are. Men are just better at blowing smoke (women I guess are better blowing other things).
  42. Hope the sex was good because she is even dumber than Fredo.

  43. Clorox baths? Ouch.

    Maybe she got confused and was thinking about killing the herpes virus instead?

  44. She’s a 6 at best dude. Man jaw, dead eyes, no boobs.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    Indeed. Does very little for me.
    , @Anonymous
    A big pair of jugs goes a long way.

    Adrienne Barbeau was a nice person and a decent but not fantastic actress, but she had a blah body except for those knockers and she went far. Not a great classic beauty.

    Dolly Parton parlayed a lot of songwriting talent, decent singing (she was the weakest of the "Trio", but with Linda and Emmy who wouldn't have been?) and a superb business sense into success-but a pair of colossal titties sure did not hurt, especially with the sense to be good natured about it.

    Women with really flat chests.....you have to respect them for having the guts to go out there, Renee Zellweger before she had work comes to mind. Little LMM has even less than mumsy, a shame because she's otherwise prettier (comparing them at the same age, Big LMM has had a facial trainwreck from veganism).

    Really flat rear ends are more concealable. Nancy Sinatra has no discernible ass at all.
  45. If people only got harmless advice like this, instead of the panicky lockdown responses advocated here and disingenuously by the propagandist hubby Mr. Cuomo (caught outside flagrantly violating social distancing by a biker), we might be better off as a country.

    Here’s an observation…the nerdier and more out of touch with reality you are, the more you fantsize about apocalyptic end-of-world scenarios and existential threats within rather mundane events like China flu. This is driven by unhealthy comic book obsessions, detachment from reality (e.g., belief in magical lines drawn on graphs based on false assumptions and bad accounting instead of mountains of hard evidence of empty hospitals posted by people not scared of their own shadow) and a need to find something to blame for social failures since about 13 years of age.

    • Thanks: Dtbb
  46. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @SaneClownPosse
    Clorox in her nether lands, feel the burn.

    PS She doesn't look that appealing in the provided image.

    Lysol, basically the same formula they sell today for floor cleaner, was promoted for female hygiene at one time.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lysol-original-use-women_n_5aa6d689e4b03c9edfae9848

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin

    This week, we explore how some of society's biggest taboos were broken by marketers. We'll look at why toilet paper was a hush-hush product in the 19th century, which publication was the first ever to print an ad on its front page and how Lysol was originally advertised…as contraception. Some taboos were broken years ago, some more recently than you may realize.

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/undertheinfluence/now-splinter-free-how-marketing-broke-taboos-1.4149558
     
    , @James Speaks

    Lysol, basically the same formula they sell today for floor cleaner, was promoted for female hygiene at one time.
     
    Life imitates art.
    https://youtu.be/wPO8PqHGWFU
  47. @Lugash

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.
     
    I've had a couple of friends who had extremely attractive(HB11+++) daughters. Puberty for the daughters was not fun... overnight they became the subject of intense male interest. There's a joke about playing life on easy mode when you're a hot woman, but constantly being hit on, leered at,followed on the street, talked about by other girls and women, etc. is terrifying when you're 13. Both developed a neutral cynicism towards it and the world, but didn't really abuse it, although there were some times of Seinfelds 'Hot Girlfiend' episode.

    I think the presence of good fathers in the home tempers a lot of hot females’ (well, all females’) potential sociopathic or nasty mean traits, because such girls have a positive, attractive (most girls have an innocent childhood crush on their dads) male around who isn’t trying to get in their pants and whom they can see in a decent light—and also who is a very useful counterweight and all in battles with their mother, whom most girls fight with from the age of 10-25.

    That all makes them have sympathy towards males and thus not see them all as something to be used, abused, and discarded when done.

    I would bet your friends’ daughters had their fathers around.

    On a related note, women really cannot understand how looks-dominated male sexual attraction is as compared to their own, which is much more holistic. It’s why they constantly try to make excuses for uglier friends: “but she’s got such a nice personality, she has a good job, etc.” Projection.

    Anyway, if you ever meet a female with extreme personality problems, you can bet on her coming from a broken home where Daddy wasn’t around or else abused her.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Women care less about looks than height.

    BTW Cristina reminds me of a young Christian Bale.
    , @martin_2
    Although a man's focus is almost entirely on looks that doesn't mean that his ideal girlfriend has to be a beauty queen. A good 75% of women I would dare say would be acceptable to men in the looks department, indeed a top 5% woman is probably less desirable in a regular man's eyes since he will perceive her as being out of his league or that he won't measure up to her demands. To my mind obesity is the real killer.
  48. @UK
    It depends.

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they're about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout "compliments" at them on the street.

    But yes, when you have the ability to sit next to someone when they're sad or angry or in any way negative, and your smile just makes them smile in return, you're going to have daily living proof of how "positive energy" works. Whether you accept it on a deep level or just use it as a metaphor, it need not matter.

    Some powerful men get turned off their power when they discover hot young nubile pneumatic women are only interested in their power. Most do not.

    • Replies: @UK
    Being objectified is often unpleasant even though it may lead to nice things. The reason is not that it is inherently bad. It is ok and occasionally nice, but the problem is that it is a poor substitute for genuine connection and loving acceptance.

    The point is that you are not "you" but merely an object of possession for the other person. This may become horrifying over time. It is the feeling of not existing in your most intimate relationship, or, if one the street constantly, it is not existing in public life.

    People may be objectified as sex objects, as safe spaces, as credits cards, as all number of sex stereotypes or as many other things. None will leave an individual satisfied over time. All may be fun to play with, but the more of your relating they become, the less you are actually seen.

    You may be starved of "hot young nubile pneumatic women", but since they are most certainly not starved of being objectified in that way, you should not be surprised when they take your complete fail to connect with them as people as a totally justified (defensive) reason for them to decide to hold you in contempt and disdain.

    Especially when they read about you failing to grasp how nasty this is, constantly on the street, when you're 12 or 13.

    And yes, never being appreciated for your looks is also unpleasant, but you might as well at least try to understand others...

  49. @Sean
    How disappointing. I thought it was going to be about a hotwife similar to the spouse of Roger Stone that he described as "insatiable" when he advertised for men to help satisfy her.


    Cristina is the type of spiritual lady that will never stray, but would become absolutely hysterical if asked for a divorce, even though she is married to a man dubbed "Fredo".


    https://youtu.be/vYabrQrXt4A

    Fredo Cuomo is Fredo Corleone but with better looks (no homo).

    The show Sex and the City had a term for such an airheaded good-looking guy, usually one with money or fame:

    a Himbo.

    Fredo Cuomo is a definite Himbo.

  50. @songbird
    I remember some writer, I think it was Irvin S. Cobb (similar to Mencken and wrote at about the same time), came up with a list of points to know when something is a pseudoscience. One of them was that the preponderance of people who believe in it are women.

    If you meet a woman and she has ever read (or claimed to have read) A Course in Miracles…well..you know.

    One of the things I noticed when I was a younger man and had an Arab-sufi-cum-spiritualist “light and love” girlfriend, from her and her fellow travelers–they are some of the most damaged, spiteful, petty, unloving, selfish people you will ever meet. And they are that way with each other too. They are also prone to scammy stuff (spiritual MLMs basically) where they try to share their crystals, oils and other charms to each other and friends their fellow travelers bring along.

    My g/f at the time (totally crazy and hot) had some older, probably bi-sexual, “spiritualist” guru who would do “energy work”, which sounded like a low grade massage without the happy ending. In hindsight, it was a great learning experience and fun while it lasted (for me!)…for other reasons… Last I heard (years ago), this gal was post-wall living with some other spiritualist.

  51. “We want to neutralize heavy metals

    Well, that part makes sense. I mean, just look…

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    The Loknar sure used its evil powers to do a lot of good.

    "Behold! The time I used my evil to get that cab driver laid by the woman with the big tits!"

    "Behold! The time I used my evil to get that robot laid by the woman with the big tits!"

    , @dvorak
    HEAVY METAL inspired one of the all-time classic South Park episodes.

    https://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s12e03-major-boobage
  52. @Rob (London)
    Steve, any thoughts on how Cuomo (A.) has handled the Covid crisis in New York State, compared with Trump's handling of the situation nationwide?

    Rob, I live in NYS and Andy’s doing really well. That is if you consider Iwo Jima like numbers real well.

  53. You’ve just scratched the surface, Mr. Sailer.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11375076/chris-cuomo0coronavirus-recovery-pills-sauna-cbd/

    https://thepuristonline.com/2020/04/chris-cuomos-corona-protocol/

    Her husband was popping 45 pills a day, mostly homeopathic with some “oxygenated herbs” recommended by an “energy medicine physician,” a PhD who heads up Light Harmonics. One full magnitude beyond Trump.

    She also devised a two week meal plan, including such things as avocado toast and quinoa with kale. Plenty more rich material at those links. If Tom Wolfe put this in fiction you’d think it clumsy satire.

    Maybe you are right – no male ever bothered to explain to her that homeopathy is nonsense.

  54. @Lugash

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.
     
    I've had a couple of friends who had extremely attractive(HB11+++) daughters. Puberty for the daughters was not fun... overnight they became the subject of intense male interest. There's a joke about playing life on easy mode when you're a hot woman, but constantly being hit on, leered at,followed on the street, talked about by other girls and women, etc. is terrifying when you're 13. Both developed a neutral cynicism towards it and the world, but didn't really abuse it, although there were some times of Seinfelds 'Hot Girlfiend' episode.

    What a horror, 50% of the whole world approaches you on bended knee! Other women hate you for your power.

    What is puberty like for an average male? 20% chance they will never father a family, No one in the universe cares if you come to the party or not. Never the subject of intense female interest unless earned by effort distinguishing yourself.

    Life is not a bowl of cherries for anyone but for you to make the argument that beauty suffers equal to or more than ugly is a joke. A very attractive woman exerts a hypnotic effect on me.

  55. @Anonymous
    Lysol, basically the same formula they sell today for floor cleaner, was promoted for female hygiene at one time.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lysol-original-use-women_n_5aa6d689e4b03c9edfae9848

    This week, we explore how some of society’s biggest taboos were broken by marketers. We’ll look at why toilet paper was a hush-hush product in the 19th century, which publication was the first ever to print an ad on its front page and how Lysol was originally advertised…as contraception. Some taboos were broken years ago, some more recently than you may realize.

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/undertheinfluence/now-splinter-free-how-marketing-broke-taboos-1.4149558

  56. @fish
    Is their anyone who doesn't enjoy a good horse(face) joke!

    Celine Dion, Sarah Jessica Parker?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Charlotte Gainsbourg. She got dad's face.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khy_0BTIdmg
  57. Hot Wife Science

    Thermogamy? Thermogynology?

    The more a woman has had males staring raptly at her while she talks since she turned 13, the more likely she is to believe in energy fields and the importance of a good flow of energy.

    Femme shui!

  58. Maybe homeopathy is nonsense, I’m not a believer. But the benefits of AMA authorized medicine are limited as well, thankful as I am to have them. No one seems to have the answer regarding the most deadly variants of cancer, or Covid.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Neil, one of the sad things about cancer is that we raise Billions of dollars through events like The Susan G. Koman "Race for the Cure" and endure a month of everything (including garbage trucks) being presented in pink and are we any closer to a cure? Are there cures for everything? I doubt that. A cure would be like killing the Golden Goose.
  59. @Sam Haysom
    I’ve noticed that guys that consistently analyze women on the basis of looks to the point where they coined multiple laws of journalism about it generally don’t marry the most attractive women. I call it Haysom’s first law of male noticers.

    Hardly surprised to see you say that.

  60. @Lurker
    Celine Dion, Sarah Jessica Parker?

    Charlotte Gainsbourg. She got dad’s face.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Beautiful, nevertheless. Because, not in spite of.
  61. @Tony
    Andrew, azende me, tuzeprovenos sfachim

    Bob Grant , the king of talk radio would be proud of your comment about
    The malevelont countenanced son of the sfachim!

    We have slipped and slid to 3rd world status!

  62. @Anonymous
    Lysol, basically the same formula they sell today for floor cleaner, was promoted for female hygiene at one time.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lysol-original-use-women_n_5aa6d689e4b03c9edfae9848

    Lysol, basically the same formula they sell today for floor cleaner, was promoted for female hygiene at one time.

    Life imitates art.

  63. @James Braxton
    She's a 6 at best dude. Man jaw, dead eyes, no boobs.

    Indeed. Does very little for me.

  64. @R.G. Camara
    I quibble with Steve's conclusion, insofar as the type of beauty it applies to.

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.

    The woo-woo chicks, in my experience, tend to be second-tier beauties, sometimes late bloomers, cute enough for a second look but not the top-hotties. These women buy into the whole "energy" thing because they note that in some circumstances (e.g. when no HB-10s are around), they get a lot of male attention, but in other circumstances (e.g. when they are at a Vegas cocktail bar surrounded by 21 year old high-end escorts posing as patrons) they seem to be ignored.

    But instead of chalking it up to their own physical sexual market place value relative to other women, they instead get hoodwinked that its all about their internal chakras not being aligned, and how all they need to do is "self-actualize" and improve their self-esteem and they will get to be the center of attention they so thirst for.

    In short, instead of admitting the obvious---looks matter, and they are pretty-but-second-tier---these women go through a complicated denial process.

    N.B. This also applies to former top-tier hotties who have lost their looks---who've gotten older, but are still MILFy. Those types of women go through denial about it all being about looks, and many fall into hippie nonsense to try to assuage and cover their bruised egos.

    It's sad that women can't just accept these realities and concentrate on raising good families, being good wives, and being proud of those accomplishments. Would make them so much happier. Admitting it is the first step.

    I’m skeptical that doing as you suggest would make women much happier, RG. But it sure would make men much happier.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Natural cannot be defeated.

    A woman's pride is her grandchildren.
  65. @MBlanc46
    I’m skeptical that doing as you suggest would make women much happier, RG. But it sure would make men much happier.

    Natural cannot be defeated.

    A woman’s pride is her grandchildren.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    What percentage of women today and in the near future are going to have children, let alone granchildren.
  66. @anon
    "We want to neutralize heavy metals

    Well, that part makes sense. I mean, just look...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MzWF8YLhY

    The Loknar sure used its evil powers to do a lot of good.

    “Behold! The time I used my evil to get that cab driver laid by the woman with the big tits!”

    “Behold! The time I used my evil to get that robot laid by the woman with the big tits!”

  67. Speaking of heavy metals (Hg), this is really cool.

  68. @Reg Cæsar
    Charlotte Gainsbourg. She got dad's face.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khy_0BTIdmg

    Beautiful, nevertheless. Because, not in spite of.

    • Agree: Curle
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Beautiful, nevertheless. Because, not in spite of.
     
    Charlotte has the kind of face that makes you feel sorry for the girl. Sometimes it's pretty, sometimes not so much. But it's always dangerous, because then they have their talons into you.
  69. I see the crackpot armchair psychologists are out in pathologizing women in full force tonight.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • LOL: UK
    • Replies: @Mehen

    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists [...]
     
    AKA normal men expressing their true feelings which are likely opaque to you in meatspace.
    , @Truth
    Rosie, I feel sorry for you, Aldey and Tillie's plight here amongst WNW's. But I'll tell you what, I have a new nickname for your cabal...

    Lethal Weapon III!
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists are out in pathologizing women in full force tonight.
     
    You're not helping matters any. Kylie, Lagertha, and the other ladies here just shrug it off. Hence, they merit our respect.

    Don't like stereotypes? Then don't feed them.
  70. @Justice Duvall
    There's an episode of 30 Rock that flips the genders.

    Liz Lemon is dating a doctor played by John Hamm. He does not know how to do anything correctly, because every woman always tells the handsome guy he's right.

    The problem with the conceit, of course, is that other men would be happy to tell a guy who looks like John Hamm that he's wrong.

    The problem with the conceit, of course, is that other men would be happy to tell a guy who looks like John Hamm that he’s wrong.

    Yes, but some guys are men’s men, and some guys are ladies’ men, and if you are enough of a ladies’ man you can rise far in this world.

  71. @Clifford Brown
    I could do without the botox, but there likely is some truth to folk wisdoms relating to energy flows. There is an electromagnetic component to the human nervous system that is largely ignored by modern science. I am not saying that she is right, just that there is likely an "energy" component to health and human consciousness that we do not fully comprehend quite yet.

    As I have noted previously, crystal adjacent businesses are ideal places to meet hot women.

    How is it ignored? Magnetoencephalography was invented nearly 50 ago for that reason, although only in the last 20 or so the available computing power is sufficient to process the data quickly enough.

  72. @Rosie
    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists are out in pathologizing women in full force tonight.

    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists […]

    AKA normal men expressing their true feelings which are likely opaque to you in meatspace.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    AKA normal men expressing their true feelings which are likely opaque to you in meatspace.
     
    I certainly hope you're wrong. Otherwise, it's no wonder so many men and women hate each other.
  73. Where’s the hot wife?

  74. @Lugash

    Top-tier women, bombshell-type women, and women who give off hard sexual vibes tend to be much more cynical about such woo-woo stuff, and tend to use their sex appeal quite ambitiously and calculating to get what they want, knowing full well how the male gaze and male libido is controlled by their purely physical appeal.
     
    I've had a couple of friends who had extremely attractive(HB11+++) daughters. Puberty for the daughters was not fun... overnight they became the subject of intense male interest. There's a joke about playing life on easy mode when you're a hot woman, but constantly being hit on, leered at,followed on the street, talked about by other girls and women, etc. is terrifying when you're 13. Both developed a neutral cynicism towards it and the world, but didn't really abuse it, although there were some times of Seinfelds 'Hot Girlfiend' episode.

    I used to teach middle school. If I wanted I could write an anthropological study of what I saw there. It was scary watching the students interact with each other. As for the girls, some of them were stunningly pretty. Some of them had their heads firmly on their shoulders and didn’t take advantage of the situation, while others were blatantly manipulative. And heaven help you if you stood in the way of a pretty girl and what she wanted. It was amusing when you saw a second-tier girl try to act like a top-tier girl as well.

    As for a connection to this blog one of the girl’s fathers has been mentioned in this blog by Steve. The girl was top tier but she had a firm head on her shoulders, probably from having a well-renowned father. The parents were divorced but he was an active part of her life, and the family had an au pair.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Not being conventionally attractive also can impact a woman's personality, both for good and ill. It's pretty difficult to be ugly in a world that is biologically hard-wired to value you first and foremost on your body. Sometimes, this builds mental resilience, or a desire to focus on other skills, or genuine empathy and kindness. Other times, it builds bitterness, paranoia, neediness, or manipulative skills: not to mention a big victim target for predatory men.

    (Source: currently involved with a woman who has a lot of strikes against her in the conventional attractiveness department, especially in the context of her native society. I'm not Adonis, but I am moderately above-average when I bother to take care of myself, so I suppose I've really seen both the good and the bad of this dynamic.)

    >And heaven help you if you stood in the way of a pretty girl and what she wanted.

    I've noticed that the upper-middle class tier chicks-the ones who aren't the absolute prettiest but are reasonably good looking-are the ones who get very, very annoyed when a man seemingly doesn't take an interest in her (I've had this happen to me back when I had no social skills or ability to read subtle signals at all), doubly so when he's with a woman visibly less attractive than him. They can be very cruel to the woman. The absolute bombshells tend to be relatively indifferent: surprised, perhaps, if the man is a lot more attractive than the woman, but not malicious, and some will be genuinely happy for the other woman.

    (They also seem to get annoyed when guys below their level take an interest in them... and also annoyed when guys below their level ignore them. Low status guys: they are the ones who really can't win, no matter what they try.)

  75. UK says:
    @scrivener3
    Some powerful men get turned off their power when they discover hot young nubile pneumatic women are only interested in their power. Most do not.

    Being objectified is often unpleasant even though it may lead to nice things. The reason is not that it is inherently bad. It is ok and occasionally nice, but the problem is that it is a poor substitute for genuine connection and loving acceptance.

    The point is that you are not “you” but merely an object of possession for the other person. This may become horrifying over time. It is the feeling of not existing in your most intimate relationship, or, if one the street constantly, it is not existing in public life.

    People may be objectified as sex objects, as safe spaces, as credits cards, as all number of sex stereotypes or as many other things. None will leave an individual satisfied over time. All may be fun to play with, but the more of your relating they become, the less you are actually seen.

    You may be starved of “hot young nubile pneumatic women”, but since they are most certainly not starved of being objectified in that way, you should not be surprised when they take your complete fail to connect with them as people as a totally justified (defensive) reason for them to decide to hold you in contempt and disdain.

    Especially when they read about you failing to grasp how nasty this is, constantly on the street, when you’re 12 or 13.

    And yes, never being appreciated for your looks is also unpleasant, but you might as well at least try to understand others…

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    This crown is so, so heavy
    , @Pericles


    Especially when they read about you failing to grasp how nasty this is, constantly on the street, when you’re 12 or 13.

     

    Depends on the street, of course, but if you're getting stalked by Saddiq Khan, sure.
  76. @Mehen

    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists [...]
     
    AKA normal men expressing their true feelings which are likely opaque to you in meatspace.

    AKA normal men expressing their true feelings which are likely opaque to you in meatspace.

    I certainly hope you’re wrong. Otherwise, it’s no wonder so many men and women hate each other.

    • Replies: @Neuday

    I certainly hope you’re wrong. Otherwise, it’s no wonder so many men and women hate each other.
     
    Rosie, the men are talking about tendencies, generalizations from years of experience. Funny how, when talking about minorities, often a woman of a certain type will often respond with NAXALT, and when men talk about female tendencies they assume we mean AWALT, even when we have wives, mothers and daughters whom we love. It's like women don't understand percentages and that most != all.

    When a man realizes that many really beautiful women are often some combination of stupid/self-obsessed/manipulative, it makes a guy appreciate a very pretty girl who is kind, empathetic, a little bright, and loving, and quite fortunate if you married one.

  77. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    I think the presence of good fathers in the home tempers a lot of hot females' (well, all females') potential sociopathic or nasty mean traits, because such girls have a positive, attractive (most girls have an innocent childhood crush on their dads) male around who isn't trying to get in their pants and whom they can see in a decent light---and also who is a very useful counterweight and all in battles with their mother, whom most girls fight with from the age of 10-25.

    That all makes them have sympathy towards males and thus not see them all as something to be used, abused, and discarded when done.

    I would bet your friends' daughters had their fathers around.

    On a related note, women really cannot understand how looks-dominated male sexual attraction is as compared to their own, which is much more holistic. It's why they constantly try to make excuses for uglier friends: "but she's got such a nice personality, she has a good job, etc." Projection.

    Anyway, if you ever meet a female with extreme personality problems, you can bet on her coming from a broken home where Daddy wasn't around or else abused her.

    Women care less about looks than height.

    BTW Cristina reminds me of a young Christian Bale.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    Every good looking 5-7” / 5-8” guy I’ve met does far better with women than guys that are 6-2 and ugly. Maybe at 5-5” or something a guy is just too short. Going by women’s revealed preferences:

    Status/power/wealth > looks > height

    For men:

    Youth and beauty > youth and beauty > youth and beauty.

    Men really are simpler.
  78. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Braxton
    She's a 6 at best dude. Man jaw, dead eyes, no boobs.

    A big pair of jugs goes a long way.

    Adrienne Barbeau was a nice person and a decent but not fantastic actress, but she had a blah body except for those knockers and she went far. Not a great classic beauty.

    Dolly Parton parlayed a lot of songwriting talent, decent singing (she was the weakest of the “Trio”, but with Linda and Emmy who wouldn’t have been?) and a superb business sense into success-but a pair of colossal titties sure did not hurt, especially with the sense to be good natured about it.

    Women with really flat chests…..you have to respect them for having the guts to go out there, Renee Zellweger before she had work comes to mind. Little LMM has even less than mumsy, a shame because she’s otherwise prettier (comparing them at the same age, Big LMM has had a facial trainwreck from veganism).

    Really flat rear ends are more concealable. Nancy Sinatra has no discernible ass at all.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Dolly's tatas are implants. I find implants to be a huge turn off.
    , @Ian Smith
    Woman with small breasts can still be very attractive (Charlize Theron, Jena Malone, Emma Stone.)
    , @Anonymous
    When she started with Porter Wagoner (who was reported to be the hillbilly Milton Berle) those melons were real. She is only 5’ or 5’1”, so the effect was exaggerated.

    As she got older, gained and lost weight, and had “female problems” (apparently she had Monroe-like endo and severe period issues, so they took everything out) they collapsed so major rework was done. Her image was cast in stone by then so having a reduction was not an option career wise. She came from a huge family and felt that the Parton clan would do okay if she went the career route.

    Really, some women shouldn’t have kids. Big time showbiz is not a great environment for bringing up a family, they turn out screwed up oftener than not.
    , @Stephen Dodge
    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you're no good, i'm no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    Sorry, Emmy Lou Harris has a phony voice - listen to a few real singers from her region then listen to her again - it is like going from home cooked bread to Wonder Bread.

    Dolly Parton, the only artist among the three of then, has a natural voice, real empathy, and has an unusual skill in not sounding phony.

    I have heard that Rondstadt and Harris are kind-hearted people, albeit, of course, full of celebrity flaws and stupid/selfish views of the world. I am talking about their artwork, not about them as human beings.

  79. @UK
    It depends.

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they're about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout "compliments" at them on the street.

    But yes, when you have the ability to sit next to someone when they're sad or angry or in any way negative, and your smile just makes them smile in return, you're going to have daily living proof of how "positive energy" works. Whether you accept it on a deep level or just use it as a metaphor, it need not matter.

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they’re about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout “compliments” at them on the street.

    Yes, but when hot women are no longer hot, they complain that they are invisible and no one pays them any attention of any kind.. In any event, complaint.

    • Replies: @UK
    People both dislike being objectified (when aged 12 by creepy perverts) and ignored (when potentially accomplished and an adult.)

    Also, some women complain.
  80. Chris Cuomo entrusted his children’s healthcare to this ridiculous woman. And he thinks his family is a shining example of how to handle coronavirus? No, they’re not, apparently they are trying every popular pseudoscientific “cure” they can find. His wife lives in a factless fantasy world.

    If you didn’t read the link at Yahoo go read it now. It is not to be missed.

    I will never see Chris Cuomo on TV again without thinking of his dangerously foolish wife. It’s just incredible that she’s so public about all she believes and that one it’s never come to light before and two that he hasn’t told her to shut up because of his job. How can he criticize others for irrational beliefs when his wife has so many?

    • Replies: @anon
    I will never see Chris Fredo Cuomo on TV again without thinking of his dangerously foolish wife.

    Fixed.
    , @Kratoklastes

    Chris Cuomo entrusted his children’s healthcare to this ridiculous woman
     
    To be fair: children are robust. (Too robust, if you ask me)

    They're relatively easy to keep alive - especially if you have staff.

    Keeping a kid is easier than a goldfish or a dog, harder than a cat. (Try and kill a cat through neglect: they will leave the leftovers from their mice on your pillow, piss on your favourite things, and then ostentatiously lick their assholes without giving a shit if you watch).

    Think of how 'hands-off' parenting used to be: most mothers didn't know if their sons were alive between arrival home from school, and sunset.

    We almost all made it home, almost all of the time - despite having done shit so stupid that we ought to have died at least twice between the ages of 10 and 14 (when we discovered girls).
  81. If this crisis has shown me anything, it is that our overlord class consists of a dangerously high percentage of morons. I am more and more amazed that somehow almost everything still works in this world. The fundamental science has been stuck in limbo since about 1980, and it seems the medical profession is also not populated by the brightest bulbs either. Might have something to do with the now universal culture of greed – most smart people now aspire to become rich parasites on Wall Street and at various big corps, not cure cancer or explore Neptune. Bah, the pendulum will swing back, eventually.

  82. @Buffalo Joe
    If Trump's wife had shared her magical virus treatment it would be front page NYT and MSM smackdown. And, um, she is just ok in the looks deparment. Oh, and some one mentioned "rim jobs" before and the guy on the right is an asshole.

    Joe, I needed a laugh today and by God, that did it. Thank you!

  83. @UK
    Being objectified is often unpleasant even though it may lead to nice things. The reason is not that it is inherently bad. It is ok and occasionally nice, but the problem is that it is a poor substitute for genuine connection and loving acceptance.

    The point is that you are not "you" but merely an object of possession for the other person. This may become horrifying over time. It is the feeling of not existing in your most intimate relationship, or, if one the street constantly, it is not existing in public life.

    People may be objectified as sex objects, as safe spaces, as credits cards, as all number of sex stereotypes or as many other things. None will leave an individual satisfied over time. All may be fun to play with, but the more of your relating they become, the less you are actually seen.

    You may be starved of "hot young nubile pneumatic women", but since they are most certainly not starved of being objectified in that way, you should not be surprised when they take your complete fail to connect with them as people as a totally justified (defensive) reason for them to decide to hold you in contempt and disdain.

    Especially when they read about you failing to grasp how nasty this is, constantly on the street, when you're 12 or 13.

    And yes, never being appreciated for your looks is also unpleasant, but you might as well at least try to understand others...

    This crown is so, so heavy

    • Replies: @UK
    I know socially the only son a billionaire. He is quiet, successful in his own right and genuinely a workaholic. I suppose that is one way he deals with his obvious, and probably inherited, social anxiety. Nonetheless, if you feel like being friends with someone like that it would be advisable that you always split the bill or pay your part for meals. He may be fabulously rich, but you can see the hurt on his face every time a potential friend treats him as a source of free stuff.

    You may reply that anyone would be jealous of this "problem" of his, but, while I'm not even sure that you'd be right, it is beside the point. It would not serve you to ignore my advice.

    Much the same with very attractive women. Or, to be honest, very attractive men. At least those who actually know it - of course, not all do. It is amazing what experiences the brain can explain away given sufficiently strongly embedded prior assumptions.

    Or, if you don't want a royal to think of you with contempt, it is probably best to perceive the difficulties in wearing a crown.
  84. Chris-Cuomo

    I think Cristina, and family, are fine. She simply quoted from a ROCKST★R energy drink label: “We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy.”

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    The one in the middle is 17 and is named Bella, in case anyone wants to look for more pictures. She's a solid 6.
    , @anon
    She simply quoted from a ROCKST★R energy drink label: “We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy.”

    What about the electrolytes? Does that stuff even have electrolytes?

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    The younger one has the Innsmouth look.

    https://thepuristonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/b9e57e56300f94359b7f430543eca3ae-774x800.jpeg
  85. @notsaying
    Chris Cuomo entrusted his children's healthcare to this ridiculous woman. And he thinks his family is a shining example of how to handle coronavirus? No, they're not, apparently they are trying every popular pseudoscientific "cure" they can find. His wife lives in a factless fantasy world.

    If you didn't read the link at Yahoo go read it now. It is not to be missed.

    I will never see Chris Cuomo on TV again without thinking of his dangerously foolish wife. It's just incredible that she's so public about all she believes and that one it's never come to light before and two that he hasn't told her to shut up because of his job. How can he criticize others for irrational beliefs when his wife has so many?

    I will never see Chris Fredo Cuomo on TV again without thinking of his dangerously foolish wife.

    Fixed.

  86. UK says:
    @ScarletNumber
    This crown is so, so heavy

    I know socially the only son a billionaire. He is quiet, successful in his own right and genuinely a workaholic. I suppose that is one way he deals with his obvious, and probably inherited, social anxiety. Nonetheless, if you feel like being friends with someone like that it would be advisable that you always split the bill or pay your part for meals. He may be fabulously rich, but you can see the hurt on his face every time a potential friend treats him as a source of free stuff.

    You may reply that anyone would be jealous of this “problem” of his, but, while I’m not even sure that you’d be right, it is beside the point. It would not serve you to ignore my advice.

    Much the same with very attractive women. Or, to be honest, very attractive men. At least those who actually know it – of course, not all do. It is amazing what experiences the brain can explain away given sufficiently strongly embedded prior assumptions.

    Or, if you don’t want a royal to think of you with contempt, it is probably best to perceive the difficulties in wearing a crown.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    He may be fabulously rich, but you can see the hurt on his face every time a potential friend treats him as a source of free stuff.
     
    A brilliant analogy to drive home the point. Why didn't I think of that?

    You may reply that anyone would be jealous of this “problem” of his, but, while I’m not even sure that you’d be right, it is beside the point. It would not serve you to ignore my advice.
     
    Even if you're a hot commodity, you're still a commodity, and it's humiliating. Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness. They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they're tired of caring about standards of decency.

    Isn't it interesting that one has to dwell on the fact that beautiful girls are hurt by male shallowness as well as homely ones? You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it's perfectly fine, because their feelings don't matter.
  87. @notsaying
    Chris Cuomo entrusted his children's healthcare to this ridiculous woman. And he thinks his family is a shining example of how to handle coronavirus? No, they're not, apparently they are trying every popular pseudoscientific "cure" they can find. His wife lives in a factless fantasy world.

    If you didn't read the link at Yahoo go read it now. It is not to be missed.

    I will never see Chris Cuomo on TV again without thinking of his dangerously foolish wife. It's just incredible that she's so public about all she believes and that one it's never come to light before and two that he hasn't told her to shut up because of his job. How can he criticize others for irrational beliefs when his wife has so many?

    Chris Cuomo entrusted his children’s healthcare to this ridiculous woman

    To be fair: children are robust. (Too robust, if you ask me)

    They’re relatively easy to keep alive – especially if you have staff.

    Keeping a kid is easier than a goldfish or a dog, harder than a cat. (Try and kill a cat through neglect: they will leave the leftovers from their mice on your pillow, piss on your favourite things, and then ostentatiously lick their assholes without giving a shit if you watch).

    Think of how ‘hands-off’ parenting used to be: most mothers didn’t know if their sons were alive between arrival home from school, and sunset.

    We almost all made it home, almost all of the time – despite having done shit so stupid that we ought to have died at least twice between the ages of 10 and 14 (when we discovered girls).

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Think of how ‘hands-off’ parenting used to be: most mothers didn’t know if their sons were alive between arrival home from school, and sunset.

    We almost all made it home, almost all of the time – despite having done shit so stupid that we ought to have died at least twice between the ages of 10 and 14 (when we discovered girls).
     
    That made for a better world. I never see kids playing pick-up games of baseball or football on local fields, even though the county spends a fortune on the fields. Groups of kids riding bicycles or walking around is unheard of also. Play dates for children over four is ridiculous, though it seems to be the rule. Schools even line children up in the afternoons to release them to their parents! There is no way that such a society can compete, and nobody is jealous of our freedoms.
  88. @Justice Duvall
    There's an episode of 30 Rock that flips the genders.

    Liz Lemon is dating a doctor played by John Hamm. He does not know how to do anything correctly, because every woman always tells the handsome guy he's right.

    The problem with the conceit, of course, is that other men would be happy to tell a guy who looks like John Hamm that he's wrong.

    In other words, Crystal hasn’t gotten mansplained? That’s a good thing, right? Feminism! Yet … perhaps … not good enough. So let me set up the next game. “Even if just one woman gets mansplained in America today, that is one woman too many. It is not who we are!”

    Joe Biden, do you read?

  89. @R.G. Camara
    I think the presence of good fathers in the home tempers a lot of hot females' (well, all females') potential sociopathic or nasty mean traits, because such girls have a positive, attractive (most girls have an innocent childhood crush on their dads) male around who isn't trying to get in their pants and whom they can see in a decent light---and also who is a very useful counterweight and all in battles with their mother, whom most girls fight with from the age of 10-25.

    That all makes them have sympathy towards males and thus not see them all as something to be used, abused, and discarded when done.

    I would bet your friends' daughters had their fathers around.

    On a related note, women really cannot understand how looks-dominated male sexual attraction is as compared to their own, which is much more holistic. It's why they constantly try to make excuses for uglier friends: "but she's got such a nice personality, she has a good job, etc." Projection.

    Anyway, if you ever meet a female with extreme personality problems, you can bet on her coming from a broken home where Daddy wasn't around or else abused her.

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks that doesn’t mean that his ideal girlfriend has to be a beauty queen. A good 75% of women I would dare say would be acceptable to men in the looks department, indeed a top 5% woman is probably less desirable in a regular man’s eyes since he will perceive her as being out of his league or that he won’t measure up to her demands. To my mind obesity is the real killer.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks
     
    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.
  90. I hope you have a better picture to support your evaluation of Cristina being hot. Or was it the bleach bath that literally made her hot?

  91. @UK
    Being objectified is often unpleasant even though it may lead to nice things. The reason is not that it is inherently bad. It is ok and occasionally nice, but the problem is that it is a poor substitute for genuine connection and loving acceptance.

    The point is that you are not "you" but merely an object of possession for the other person. This may become horrifying over time. It is the feeling of not existing in your most intimate relationship, or, if one the street constantly, it is not existing in public life.

    People may be objectified as sex objects, as safe spaces, as credits cards, as all number of sex stereotypes or as many other things. None will leave an individual satisfied over time. All may be fun to play with, but the more of your relating they become, the less you are actually seen.

    You may be starved of "hot young nubile pneumatic women", but since they are most certainly not starved of being objectified in that way, you should not be surprised when they take your complete fail to connect with them as people as a totally justified (defensive) reason for them to decide to hold you in contempt and disdain.

    Especially when they read about you failing to grasp how nasty this is, constantly on the street, when you're 12 or 13.

    And yes, never being appreciated for your looks is also unpleasant, but you might as well at least try to understand others...

    Especially when they read about you failing to grasp how nasty this is, constantly on the street, when you’re 12 or 13.

    Depends on the street, of course, but if you’re getting stalked by Saddiq Khan, sure.

  92. @Jim Christian

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they’re about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout “compliments” at them on the street.
     
    Yes, but when hot women are no longer hot, they complain that they are invisible and no one pays them any attention of any kind.. In any event, complaint.

    People both dislike being objectified (when aged 12 by creepy perverts) and ignored (when potentially accomplished and an adult.)

    Also, some women complain.

  93. It’s easy to laugh at her because of her Newagey quack-quack. But, I think this field should be more widely known to the general audience..

    Soviets had been researching bioplasmic field, and I think not much had come out of it…

  94. All caveats taken, Russian young women are, generally (with some exceptions)- normal:

    With Western womyn, on the other hand….

  95. People both dislike being objectified (when aged 12 by creepy perverts) and ignored (when potentially accomplished and an adult.) Also, some women complain.

    Objectified by creepy “perverts” like 12 year-old boys, you mean. The girls love the attention, believe me. The pretty girls hate when they’re invisible 30 years hence, ALL of them. There have been enough articles. But you’re right, only they complain. The ugly girls never drew attention at all and so have no complaints. You sound like one of those who say falsely, ‘rape isn’t about the rapist’s orgasm, it’s about power’. Splitting hairs ain’t your strong suit.

  96. @Cortes
    Elmore Leonard covered this topic beautifully in “Maximum Bob.”

    Bob has a lot of fun trying to tease his spacey wife.

    Read everything Elmore Leonard ever wrote. You won’t be disappointed.

  97. @UK
    I know socially the only son a billionaire. He is quiet, successful in his own right and genuinely a workaholic. I suppose that is one way he deals with his obvious, and probably inherited, social anxiety. Nonetheless, if you feel like being friends with someone like that it would be advisable that you always split the bill or pay your part for meals. He may be fabulously rich, but you can see the hurt on his face every time a potential friend treats him as a source of free stuff.

    You may reply that anyone would be jealous of this "problem" of his, but, while I'm not even sure that you'd be right, it is beside the point. It would not serve you to ignore my advice.

    Much the same with very attractive women. Or, to be honest, very attractive men. At least those who actually know it - of course, not all do. It is amazing what experiences the brain can explain away given sufficiently strongly embedded prior assumptions.

    Or, if you don't want a royal to think of you with contempt, it is probably best to perceive the difficulties in wearing a crown.

    He may be fabulously rich, but you can see the hurt on his face every time a potential friend treats him as a source of free stuff.

    A brilliant analogy to drive home the point. Why didn’t I think of that?

    You may reply that anyone would be jealous of this “problem” of his, but, while I’m not even sure that you’d be right, it is beside the point. It would not serve you to ignore my advice.

    Even if you’re a hot commodity, you’re still a commodity, and it’s humiliating. Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness. They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they’re tired of caring about standards of decency.

    Isn’t it interesting that one has to dwell on the fact that beautiful girls are hurt by male shallowness as well as homely ones? You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it’s perfectly fine, because their feelings don’t matter.

    • Replies: @UK

    Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness. They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they’re tired of caring about standards of decency
     
    It is the essence of psychopathy if you actually do it, not if you just vent on the internet. The latter may be just sharing their feelings. Something a lot of young men find difficult to do. They'd probably greatly appreciate being given a safe space in real life for this, but that is rare for them, much rarer than it is for women.

    Indeed, women can objectify men as emotionally soothing objects, who must therefore never be allowed to share or emote in a way that could ever negatively reflect, even by proxy, on that woman; while at the same time they broadcast theirs very loudly for their own succour.

    I appreciate that you did not actually label them psychopaths but, ironically, it is generally women who do most the of invalidating men's feeling even though men tend to passively invite it.

    Isn’t it interesting that one has to dwell on the fact that beautiful girls are hurt by male shallowness as well as homely ones? You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it’s perfectly fine, because their feelings don’t matter.
     
    I find that a lot of homely girls unintentionally support this effect by never speaking straightforwardly about what has actually hurt them. One cannot expect people to be mind-readers on everything and go against those girls' word. Of course one cannot expect normal people to be direct and open with what they are actually vulnerable about, so it is all a bit difficult.

    I also do think that, while it isn't talked about so much, it is generally taken as granted that people don't like to be thought as less good looking than others. Maybe it needs to be pointed out to some commenters, but I'd be surprised. The other thing is that other than understanding that it is hurtful there isn't anything to be done about it...that I can think of anyway. Physical beauty exists and it is unequally distributed. Ok, that doesn't have to be the biggest deal even if people can understandably feel crushed by it.
    , @anon
    Even if you’re a hot commodity, you’re still a commodity, and it’s humiliating.

    Yet you have no problem with objectifying men and regarding them as a kind of commodity.

    Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness.

    Of course it does, because any criticism or mere statement of reality about women offends you at a personal level. Because everything is always about you, Rosie.

    Reading your comments, it is obvious that 70's era feminism is a revolt against nature. Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God, evolution, space aliens, Flying Spaghetti Monser - doesn't matter, the brain studies keep verifying that over and over again.

    It's just that feminists cannot accept nature, and insist that men are just inferior women who can't behave properly, i.e. like good little schoolgirls. The fact that feminist dogma is diametrically opposed to reality doesn't matter.

    Rosie is s feminist, therefore....

    They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they’re tired of caring about standards of decency.

    Project much?

    Rosy, you know that objectifiying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked, the essence of psychopathy in fact, but you are tired of caring about standards of decency. You continue to reduce men to the status of machines, hating more and more over every single jot of masculinity -- this is not a route to happiness or contentment, or a peaceful life. It is a good way to alienate any sons you may have, as just about any man in his 20's could tell you - except that no one can tell you anything. You're strong 'n independent! Don't need no man! Except when you do, and I'm sure that grates on you deeply.

    lol. Your insecurities become more obvious every week.
  98. @martin_2
    Although a man's focus is almost entirely on looks that doesn't mean that his ideal girlfriend has to be a beauty queen. A good 75% of women I would dare say would be acceptable to men in the looks department, indeed a top 5% woman is probably less desirable in a regular man's eyes since he will perceive her as being out of his league or that he won't measure up to her demands. To my mind obesity is the real killer.

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Rosie, Bleached, hi-lited, frosted, straighten, curled hair, eye shadow, mascara, fake eyelashes, blush, lip stick, every stray hair plucked, bras that up lift, shape or separate, undies that cinch or pad hips, heels that make one taller and shape the calves....what's not to love about a natural beauty. Stay safe.
    , @Muggles
    >>Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.<<

    I don't think that hatred is the correct term To dredge up an old cliche, Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus. Yes, different.

    And who is supposed to teach us that (girls and boys)? Your parents, maybe, in the old days. Mostly from observation or (for men anyway) negative reinforcement. Men are highly visual when it comes to attraction, Not just heterosexuals either. Just look at how youth and beauty are "objectified" in the official gay culture. (I hear that is less true in Europe but have no idea).

    Women realize the physical/visual thing about men of course. Hence the huge industry in making them appear more attractive. That's half the economy and nearly all of female showbiz.

    Men on the other hand are clueless about "what women really want." Of course we are. Who teaches that? Now we are instructed that gender is arbitrary and fluid. Most women are quite cagey about revealing what they appreciate in men. Even in long time relationships. Keeping them on the proverbial string. So it seems. Rosie might want to clue us in here. But doesn't.

    There seem to be two main themes about female "wants." Materialism or something else, like tolerable behavior and "nice" personality traits. Hard for most men to figure out. Some never do, and some women do seem to "hate" men, even the non lesbians. In some cases understandable.

    But really, a major failure of educational psychology. Especially in the Modern Age of female empowerment. Does Taylor Swift really "wish she were a man?" Why? Without her cute blonde looks she'd be another failed male songwriter/piano player at the Holiday Inn. So unfair...

    , @Buzz Mohawk

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.
     

     
    Actually not "all around." Attractive women will definitely "accept" this, because it is to their advantage. This is how it works, and neither you nor I can change it.

    Sorry if you don't like it. That just reveals where you stand in the competition.
    , @AnotherDad



    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks
     
    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.
     
    Men are going to be attracted by signs of good genes and fertility (i.e. "looks").

    Women are going to be attracted by signs of good genes (inc. dominance, status) and--amongst civilized cultures-- provision.

    Marriage adds layers of requirements and desires. But these basics of sexual attractions are set.
    Selection would wash out the freaks who desired otherwise.

    Obviously people--men and women--who end up on the bottom will be unhappy about this reality. But it can not be otherwise.

    Complaining about this is akin to complaining that birds can fly and fish can swim.
  99. @gregor
    I was listening to some of Michael Collins Piper's radio show archives and I got a chuckle out of the advertisements. Alternative medicine, supplements, survivalist products, gold and silver investing, and so forth.

    I have a jar of supplements which claim to “support healthy DNA”

  100. Beauty is a real power in the universe. Beauty is Real. The Greeks understood the universe better than Jews, Christians and Muslims do. The Greeks understood that Beauty was a force in the universe and instantiated this by worshipping her as a Goddess.

    The humanist polytheism of the Greeks gave a much more accurate picture of the universe than did/does the sterile, burning disc in a hot desert, monotheistic, God as ineffable, omniscient, omnipotent Abstraction.

    In adopting monotheism, we have lost our way. All that made the universe humanly intelligible is now regarded with skepticism. But beauty is not just a projection, an anthropomorphizing. To fail to see this is to live in an antisexual desert. Buggery is the norm for monotheists.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Replies: @anonymous

    In adopting monotheism, we have lost our way.
     
    Since when did the west adopt Islam? *scratches head*

    Jokes aside, you fellows did not adopt monotheism. The 3 is 1 formula is simply some deceitful metaphysical trickery played by your faith's concocters. It makes no sense, and it certainly isn't "monotheism."

    Did you know that many hindoos too consider their extreme polytheism as ultimately monotheist? They too have devised dissembling "profundities" to collapse their 33mil "gods" into 3, and then into 1. Are they monotheist too?

    Every theist seems to innately see the logicality of monotheism. But, polytheists find that old beliefs are sometimes impossible to suppress, so they simply label their faith as "monotheist," and plough on.

    See, people can claim anything they want as the truth, even the most nonsensical and illogical things, and there will always be morons who will buy it hook, line, and sinker, because someone in authority sagely said so.

    The true intellectual applies his/her own mind to validate such hearsay. Clearly, at least in the spiritual context, there aren't many intellectuals amongst the famed "geniuses" of the "advanced" world.

  101. @Justice Duvall
    There's an episode of 30 Rock that flips the genders.

    Liz Lemon is dating a doctor played by John Hamm. He does not know how to do anything correctly, because every woman always tells the handsome guy he's right.

    The problem with the conceit, of course, is that other men would be happy to tell a guy who looks like John Hamm that he's wrong.

    True, but you have to admit losing your hand trying to wave to a guy who looks like your high school gym teacher while flying in a helicopter in Africa is badass.

    Better than losing it to an IED in some stupid neocon war.

  102. You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it’s perfectly fine, because their feelings don’t matter.

    I never see them around, as they are invisible.

  103. @danand
    https://flic.kr/p/2iU7pDg

    I think Cristina, and family, are fine. She simply quoted from a ROCKST★R energy drink label: "We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy."

    The one in the middle is 17 and is named Bella, in case anyone wants to look for more pictures. She’s a solid 6.

  104. @Neil Templeton
    Maybe homeopathy is nonsense, I'm not a believer. But the benefits of AMA authorized medicine are limited as well, thankful as I am to have them. No one seems to have the answer regarding the most deadly variants of cancer, or Covid.

    Neil, one of the sad things about cancer is that we raise Billions of dollars through events like The Susan G. Koman “Race for the Cure” and endure a month of everything (including garbage trucks) being presented in pink and are we any closer to a cure? Are there cures for everything? I doubt that. A cure would be like killing the Golden Goose.

  105. UK says:
    @Rosie

    He may be fabulously rich, but you can see the hurt on his face every time a potential friend treats him as a source of free stuff.
     
    A brilliant analogy to drive home the point. Why didn't I think of that?

    You may reply that anyone would be jealous of this “problem” of his, but, while I’m not even sure that you’d be right, it is beside the point. It would not serve you to ignore my advice.
     
    Even if you're a hot commodity, you're still a commodity, and it's humiliating. Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness. They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they're tired of caring about standards of decency.

    Isn't it interesting that one has to dwell on the fact that beautiful girls are hurt by male shallowness as well as homely ones? You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it's perfectly fine, because their feelings don't matter.

    Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness. They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they’re tired of caring about standards of decency

    It is the essence of psychopathy if you actually do it, not if you just vent on the internet. The latter may be just sharing their feelings. Something a lot of young men find difficult to do. They’d probably greatly appreciate being given a safe space in real life for this, but that is rare for them, much rarer than it is for women.

    Indeed, women can objectify men as emotionally soothing objects, who must therefore never be allowed to share or emote in a way that could ever negatively reflect, even by proxy, on that woman; while at the same time they broadcast theirs very loudly for their own succour.

    I appreciate that you did not actually label them psychopaths but, ironically, it is generally women who do most the of invalidating men’s feeling even though men tend to passively invite it.

    Isn’t it interesting that one has to dwell on the fact that beautiful girls are hurt by male shallowness as well as homely ones? You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it’s perfectly fine, because their feelings don’t matter.

    I find that a lot of homely girls unintentionally support this effect by never speaking straightforwardly about what has actually hurt them. One cannot expect people to be mind-readers on everything and go against those girls’ word. Of course one cannot expect normal people to be direct and open with what they are actually vulnerable about, so it is all a bit difficult.

    I also do think that, while it isn’t talked about so much, it is generally taken as granted that people don’t like to be thought as less good looking than others. Maybe it needs to be pointed out to some commenters, but I’d be surprised. The other thing is that other than understanding that it is hurtful there isn’t anything to be done about it…that I can think of anyway. Physical beauty exists and it is unequally distributed. Ok, that doesn’t have to be the biggest deal even if people can understandably feel crushed by it.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I also do think that, while it isn’t talked about so much, it is generally taken as granted that people don’t like to be thought as less good looking than others. Maybe it needs to be pointed out to some commenters, but I’d be surprised. The other thing is that other than understanding that it is hurtful there isn’t anything to be done about it…that I can think of anyway. Physical beauty exists and it is unequally distributed. Ok, that doesn’t have to be the biggest deal even if people can understandably feel crushed by it.
     
    No, being thought less good-looking than others is not particularly hurtful. What is hurtful is being thought of as less worthwhile as a human being on that account. And even that isn't really that big of deal. What is devastating is when you can't find anyone who appreciates what you have to offer.

    And yes, there is something to be done about it, and it starts with (ahem) people being less preoccupied with physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else.
  106. @Anonymous
    A big pair of jugs goes a long way.

    Adrienne Barbeau was a nice person and a decent but not fantastic actress, but she had a blah body except for those knockers and she went far. Not a great classic beauty.

    Dolly Parton parlayed a lot of songwriting talent, decent singing (she was the weakest of the "Trio", but with Linda and Emmy who wouldn't have been?) and a superb business sense into success-but a pair of colossal titties sure did not hurt, especially with the sense to be good natured about it.

    Women with really flat chests.....you have to respect them for having the guts to go out there, Renee Zellweger before she had work comes to mind. Little LMM has even less than mumsy, a shame because she's otherwise prettier (comparing them at the same age, Big LMM has had a facial trainwreck from veganism).

    Really flat rear ends are more concealable. Nancy Sinatra has no discernible ass at all.

    Anon, Dolly’s tatas are implants. I find implants to be a huge turn off.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I don’t think so. I recall watching her when she was a youngster on the Porter Waggoner show around 1974 with a couple of friends one whom commented, gawd Dolly Parton’s got the biggest tits!
  107. @Rosie

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks
     
    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.

    Rosie, Bleached, hi-lited, frosted, straighten, curled hair, eye shadow, mascara, fake eyelashes, blush, lip stick, every stray hair plucked, bras that up lift, shape or separate, undies that cinch or pad hips, heels that make one taller and shape the calves….what’s not to love about a natural beauty. Stay safe.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    Hey, I love that stuff. Don't knock it. In an alternate universe, I'd be driving a muscle car and dating a bimbo.

    http://fastmusclecar.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/z28Girl.jpg
  108. @Anonymous
    A big pair of jugs goes a long way.

    Adrienne Barbeau was a nice person and a decent but not fantastic actress, but she had a blah body except for those knockers and she went far. Not a great classic beauty.

    Dolly Parton parlayed a lot of songwriting talent, decent singing (she was the weakest of the "Trio", but with Linda and Emmy who wouldn't have been?) and a superb business sense into success-but a pair of colossal titties sure did not hurt, especially with the sense to be good natured about it.

    Women with really flat chests.....you have to respect them for having the guts to go out there, Renee Zellweger before she had work comes to mind. Little LMM has even less than mumsy, a shame because she's otherwise prettier (comparing them at the same age, Big LMM has had a facial trainwreck from veganism).

    Really flat rear ends are more concealable. Nancy Sinatra has no discernible ass at all.

    Woman with small breasts can still be very attractive (Charlize Theron, Jena Malone, Emma Stone.)

  109. Hotwife? Does this mean Fredo is being cuckolded?

  110. Just because low-IQ cranks babble about reptiles and chemtrails, doesn’t mean that there ISN’T something going on. In fact, every regular reader of Unz know that there IS something going.

    Likewise with “healing energy” and the like. Just because annoying Karens and tattooed millenials with hair buns and ringed noses babble about the body’s energy, doesn’t mean there isn’t something in this. There is.

    In fact, compared to all the “totally scientific health science” that has turned whole generations into opioid, tranquilizer, and prescription speed addicts; not to mention into trannies; and all those whose more subtle disorders were written off as “all in your head” and buried under the aforementioned painkillers and tranqualizers–compared to this corporate shitshow, the Hindu “prana energy” and the Chinese “Chi energy”, which are based on crude empirical gathering of info, crumb by crum, for a hundred generations, isounds rather more “scientific” in the end.

    Just because dumb chicks talk about life energy, doesn’t mean there’s no biological energy flows inside people and other living things. Same way just because fat weirdos babble about intergalactic Jews, doesn’t mean Israel hasn’t hijacked the US.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    There is no way prana or ch'i could exist as defined. This is vitalism of id-force, animal magnetism of Mesmer etc.

    Practitioners of "life energy" claim that our contemporary apparatuses cannot measure it. So far, so good. But- we could measure effects of life force on organism, when a bio-therapist is doing one of his seances (Reiki & similar stuff). There are sensors measuring temperature, pressure, changes in EM fields, even force, when these guys & gals are waiving hands.

    And I don't think anything has been measured. Subjectively, their "patients" claim to feel waves of heat, tickling, rush of currents under the skin & similar sensations. But- portable sensors had not shown any significant, not expected change in physical variables (T, P, E, B, F, ...).

    The only para-field I'm certain it exists (and I don't know how) is dowsing.

  111. @Buffalo Joe
    Rosie, Bleached, hi-lited, frosted, straighten, curled hair, eye shadow, mascara, fake eyelashes, blush, lip stick, every stray hair plucked, bras that up lift, shape or separate, undies that cinch or pad hips, heels that make one taller and shape the calves....what's not to love about a natural beauty. Stay safe.

    Hey, I love that stuff. Don’t knock it. In an alternate universe, I’d be driving a muscle car and dating a bimbo.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  112. @Bubba
    Christopher and his brother Andrew are consummate grifters and slimeballs yet they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee who made a good living with her TV show on the Food Network.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/25/22/18937376-0-image-a-1_1569447272971.jpg

    And evidently Andrew Cuomo can’t figure out how to tie a bow tie, which I always think is pretty funny. I guess Mario maybe didn’t have that technology either, and Andrew is unfamiliar with the concept of YouTube.

  113. @Anon
    Zinc + C

    Natural antivirals: Elderberry gummies, ginger, garlic, black pepper.


    Get 20 minutes of outdoor light*



    * my gal seen a news item describing 400-something homeless in one city that were tested. 200-something were positive but all were asymptomatic. Vitamin D3 might be very important here.

    Do it just to disappoint Rachel Maddow, Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Erin Burnett, Joe and Mika, Nicole Whatsherface, and all the rest of the pundits who hate Trump so much they are openly happy with every new death.

    The info about homeless is very interesting. I’ve been spending as much time in my garden as possible because sunshine just makes me feel better.

    It never occurred to me to associate woo-woo tendencies in women with being just “pretty enough for all practical purposes” (quoting my mother and Thornton Wilder in “Our Town”), but I admit to finding myself dangerously drawn to woo-woo of all kinds. It’s a fun hobby. It used to be a nice way to meet up with other like-minded woo-woo ladies for teatime, since woo-woo ladies are usually fairly bright, read a lot, and take painting classes; now, though, all the other woo-woo ladies have gone off the deep end with TDS or come out as lesbians. It’s no fun hanging around them anymore. I’ve only got one woo-woo art lady friend left who shifted right like I did.

  114. Christina Cuomo is well maintained, but nowhere close to beautiful. 7 due to maintenance. She’s not the type who would distract you.

  115. @G. Poulin
    While I'm sure that there are plenty of smart babes and dumb dogs out there, there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks. We need more data.

    My rule is: Beauty fades, but stupidity is forever. Caveat emptor.

  116. @Kratoklastes

    Chris Cuomo entrusted his children’s healthcare to this ridiculous woman
     
    To be fair: children are robust. (Too robust, if you ask me)

    They're relatively easy to keep alive - especially if you have staff.

    Keeping a kid is easier than a goldfish or a dog, harder than a cat. (Try and kill a cat through neglect: they will leave the leftovers from their mice on your pillow, piss on your favourite things, and then ostentatiously lick their assholes without giving a shit if you watch).

    Think of how 'hands-off' parenting used to be: most mothers didn't know if their sons were alive between arrival home from school, and sunset.

    We almost all made it home, almost all of the time - despite having done shit so stupid that we ought to have died at least twice between the ages of 10 and 14 (when we discovered girls).

    Think of how ‘hands-off’ parenting used to be: most mothers didn’t know if their sons were alive between arrival home from school, and sunset.

    We almost all made it home, almost all of the time – despite having done shit so stupid that we ought to have died at least twice between the ages of 10 and 14 (when we discovered girls).

    That made for a better world. I never see kids playing pick-up games of baseball or football on local fields, even though the county spends a fortune on the fields. Groups of kids riding bicycles or walking around is unheard of also. Play dates for children over four is ridiculous, though it seems to be the rule. Schools even line children up in the afternoons to release them to their parents! There is no way that such a society can compete, and nobody is jealous of our freedoms.

  117. @UK
    It depends.

    Some hot women get turned off their beauty when they're about 12 and sad case leather-faced old perverts shout "compliments" at them on the street.

    But yes, when you have the ability to sit next to someone when they're sad or angry or in any way negative, and your smile just makes them smile in return, you're going to have daily living proof of how "positive energy" works. Whether you accept it on a deep level or just use it as a metaphor, it need not matter.

    A 50-year old “hot” woman is a contradiction, an oxymoron.

    Assuredly, there are well-preserved, fit 50-year old (and older) women who know how to apply make-up, color their hair, and wear suitably fashionable clothing. Attractive, comely, handsome, even head-turning, yes–but “hot”? I don’t think so.

    Mrs. Cuomo might’ve been hot when he was married. She’d be an unnoticed and unremarked passer-by on any sidewalk.

  118. @Rosie

    AKA normal men expressing their true feelings which are likely opaque to you in meatspace.
     
    I certainly hope you're wrong. Otherwise, it's no wonder so many men and women hate each other.

    I certainly hope you’re wrong. Otherwise, it’s no wonder so many men and women hate each other.

    Rosie, the men are talking about tendencies, generalizations from years of experience. Funny how, when talking about minorities, often a woman of a certain type will often respond with NAXALT, and when men talk about female tendencies they assume we mean AWALT, even when we have wives, mothers and daughters whom we love. It’s like women don’t understand percentages and that most != all.

    When a man realizes that many really beautiful women are often some combination of stupid/self-obsessed/manipulative, it makes a guy appreciate a very pretty girl who is kind, empathetic, a little bright, and loving, and quite fortunate if you married one.

    • Replies: @anon
    Rosie, the men are talking

    She quit reading at that point, I assure you.
  119. @Buffalo Joe
    Anon, Dolly's tatas are implants. I find implants to be a huge turn off.

    I don’t think so. I recall watching her when she was a youngster on the Porter Waggoner show around 1974 with a couple of friends one whom commented, gawd Dolly Parton’s got the biggest tits!

    • Replies: @Prester John
    Loved when Johnny Carson once asked her point-blank "Are those real?"
    , @Anonymous
    There's a Dr. Demento version where the T word is replaced by a horn beep or something, but it's not on YT that I can find.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuR_ezAM6xA
  120. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @danand
    https://flic.kr/p/2iU7pDg

    I think Cristina, and family, are fine. She simply quoted from a ROCKST★R energy drink label: "We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy."

    She simply quoted from a ROCKST★R energy drink label: “We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy.”

    What about the electrolytes? Does that stuff even have electrolytes?

  121. Anon[593] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh dear. Late on the thread but let me give you my take:

    It’s not “hot wife” factor. It’s “ladies who lunch” factor, and their female followers.

    If your dad is wealthy, you will look better than if you had been born poor. You’ll probable marry better, too. But mainly you’ll grow up with reasonable self-confidence and a wider social circle, and you can preach. Naturally, Cinderellas can become ladies who lunch, and preach. But proof of what I’m saying is the number of well-born divorcées (even struggling economically) who preach positive visualization. Often these ladies can start their own virtuous circles when one of them preaches, say, helping an orphanage. Particularly when they’re pretty and well dressed. Huge draw for the happy-but-bewildered orphanage.

    Be fair and write about the male loonies who spout socialism, heartiste and go to Burning Man.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    spout socialism, heartiste and go to Burning Man.
     
    One of these things is not the same as the others. Bigly.
  122. @G. Poulin
    While I'm sure that there are plenty of smart babes and dumb dogs out there, there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks. We need more data.

    “ there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks”

    I’ve never really noticed it. What I have noticed is more pretty girls being put in positions where they get asked their opinions more often than the population of women generally. If beauty didn’t elevate otherwise middling minds you wouldn’t see the noted phenomenon.

    I have an ex who is very pretty, prominent and has a job where she’s asked questions all the time in public and where she’s briefed by staff before she ever opens her mouth. I got admitted to top ranked schools, including an Ivy, and was successful academically. She was not.

    She’s younger than me and I pretty much got her through a very mediocre curriculum at an extremely mediocre college where she was struggling on her own. If she wasn’t pretty she’d be a mom being asked 0 questions.

    People simply pay more attention to pretty girls no matter the intelligence.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    There is no correlation whatsoever between brains and beauty in women. None. The men here who imply that there is have never been intimate with hot women.

    In fact, if anything, attractive women tend to be smarter than the more ugly ones. It is again just a simple matter of genetic superiority.

  123. @Curle
    “ there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks”

    I’ve never really noticed it. What I have noticed is more pretty girls being put in positions where they get asked their opinions more often than the population of women generally. If beauty didn’t elevate otherwise middling minds you wouldn’t see the noted phenomenon.

    I have an ex who is very pretty, prominent and has a job where she’s asked questions all the time in public and where she’s briefed by staff before she ever opens her mouth. I got admitted to top ranked schools, including an Ivy, and was successful academically. She was not.

    She’s younger than me and I pretty much got her through a very mediocre curriculum at an extremely mediocre college where she was struggling on her own. If she wasn’t pretty she’d be a mom being asked 0 questions.

    People simply pay more attention to pretty girls no matter the intelligence.

    There is no correlation whatsoever between brains and beauty in women. None. The men here who imply that there is have never been intimate with hot women.

    In fact, if anything, attractive women tend to be smarter than the more ugly ones. It is again just a simple matter of genetic superiority.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "attractive women tend to be smarter than the more ugly ones"

    Given that wealth is a very rough proxy for intelligence, and wealthier men tend to attract prettier women, you'd expect attractiveness to be roughly correlated with intelligence.

    At the private school gates you definitely get a MILFier class of mum than you do at the sink estate school gates.
    , @UK
    There is a correlation between looks and beauty and, as you sense, it is positive.

    Individual men may not see this because in their relationships they may sometimes give more priority to looks and sometimes more priority to intelligence and therefore see them as existing in tension, but they do not.

    Others may wish for them to exist in tension but correlates of biological fitness tend to go together. This is just how things are.
  124. @fnn
    The late MCP was one of the great talk radio hosts of the 20th and 21st Centuries. He was a raconteur with a matchless sense of humor, but you probably need to have some tolerance of JQ discussion to appreciate him.

    I’ve found a lot of his commentary interesting to say the least. A lot of it is stuff I’d never heard before. For example, he says the OKC bombing was basically an inside job and McVeigh was steered into the plot by agent provocateurs working for the Feds. And he says Hugo Chavez was not such a bad guy and the reason the Western media hated him so much was simply because he was wise to international finance and the IMF scam. “Big if true” as they say.

  125. @Rosie

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks
     
    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.

    >>Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.<<

    I don't think that hatred is the correct term To dredge up an old cliche, Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus. Yes, different.

    And who is supposed to teach us that (girls and boys)? Your parents, maybe, in the old days. Mostly from observation or (for men anyway) negative reinforcement. Men are highly visual when it comes to attraction, Not just heterosexuals either. Just look at how youth and beauty are "objectified" in the official gay culture. (I hear that is less true in Europe but have no idea).

    Women realize the physical/visual thing about men of course. Hence the huge industry in making them appear more attractive. That's half the economy and nearly all of female showbiz.

    Men on the other hand are clueless about "what women really want." Of course we are. Who teaches that? Now we are instructed that gender is arbitrary and fluid. Most women are quite cagey about revealing what they appreciate in men. Even in long time relationships. Keeping them on the proverbial string. So it seems. Rosie might want to clue us in here. But doesn't.

    There seem to be two main themes about female "wants." Materialism or something else, like tolerable behavior and "nice" personality traits. Hard for most men to figure out. Some never do, and some women do seem to "hate" men, even the non lesbians. In some cases understandable.

    But really, a major failure of educational psychology. Especially in the Modern Age of female empowerment. Does Taylor Swift really "wish she were a man?" Why? Without her cute blonde looks she'd be another failed male songwriter/piano player at the Holiday Inn. So unfair…

    • Replies: @Rosie

    I don't think that hatred is the correct term To dredge up an old cliche, Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus. Yes, different.
     
    Yes, we are different and nine times out of ten, I'm content to leave it at that, but this time, I have to challenge you lot to do better.

    Rosie might want to clue us in here. But doesn't.
     
    I can't possibly clue you in as to what "women" want, because we all want different things. Women's desires from men are very idiosyncratic. I think men need to be who they are, and just let women take them or leave them. If you're a nerd, be ok with that, plenty of women will love it. If you're a happy-go-lucky jock, fine. Lots of women will love that, too. A sensitive musician prone to bouts of depression. Some chicks are certainly going to dig that. In other words, you do you.

    The idea that women are all the same is extremely damaging to men's efforts to make an impression on the girl that's right for them rather than the girl they think will impress their buddies.

  126. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    A big pair of jugs goes a long way.

    Adrienne Barbeau was a nice person and a decent but not fantastic actress, but she had a blah body except for those knockers and she went far. Not a great classic beauty.

    Dolly Parton parlayed a lot of songwriting talent, decent singing (she was the weakest of the "Trio", but with Linda and Emmy who wouldn't have been?) and a superb business sense into success-but a pair of colossal titties sure did not hurt, especially with the sense to be good natured about it.

    Women with really flat chests.....you have to respect them for having the guts to go out there, Renee Zellweger before she had work comes to mind. Little LMM has even less than mumsy, a shame because she's otherwise prettier (comparing them at the same age, Big LMM has had a facial trainwreck from veganism).

    Really flat rear ends are more concealable. Nancy Sinatra has no discernible ass at all.

    When she started with Porter Wagoner (who was reported to be the hillbilly Milton Berle) those melons were real. She is only 5’ or 5’1”, so the effect was exaggerated.

    As she got older, gained and lost weight, and had “female problems” (apparently she had Monroe-like endo and severe period issues, so they took everything out) they collapsed so major rework was done. Her image was cast in stone by then so having a reduction was not an option career wise. She came from a huge family and felt that the Parton clan would do okay if she went the career route.

    Really, some women shouldn’t have kids. Big time showbiz is not a great environment for bringing up a family, they turn out screwed up oftener than not.

  127. @Bubba
    Christopher and his brother Andrew are consummate grifters and slimeballs yet they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee who made a good living with her TV show on the Food Network.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/25/22/18937376-0-image-a-1_1569447272971.jpg

    “Beauty, like supreme dominion /Is but supported by opinion”, wrote the oft-lecherous Ben Franklin.

    Thus my opinion:

    “Andy’s gal? Worth a look or two
    Chris’s gal? Woof, woof, ahoooo!”

  128. @Anon
    I don’t think so. I recall watching her when she was a youngster on the Porter Waggoner show around 1974 with a couple of friends one whom commented, gawd Dolly Parton’s got the biggest tits!

    Loved when Johnny Carson once asked her point-blank “Are those real?”

  129. @Neuday

    I certainly hope you’re wrong. Otherwise, it’s no wonder so many men and women hate each other.
     
    Rosie, the men are talking about tendencies, generalizations from years of experience. Funny how, when talking about minorities, often a woman of a certain type will often respond with NAXALT, and when men talk about female tendencies they assume we mean AWALT, even when we have wives, mothers and daughters whom we love. It's like women don't understand percentages and that most != all.

    When a man realizes that many really beautiful women are often some combination of stupid/self-obsessed/manipulative, it makes a guy appreciate a very pretty girl who is kind, empathetic, a little bright, and loving, and quite fortunate if you married one.

    Rosie, the men are talking

    She quit reading at that point, I assure you.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  130. The more a woman has had males staring raptly at her while she talks since she turned 13, the more likely she is to believe in energy fields and the importance of a good flow of energy.

    LOL! Very true. Very insightful.

    I visited with one of the goddesses of my beloved childhood neighborhood as an adult at a holiday party about 20 years ago. She still had some of the distinctive beauty of her youth, so I asked her where she grew up to verify she was who I thought she was. Our visit was pleasant and polite as we reminisced about our great old neighborhood, and while she was engaging and seemed to be enjoying the memories, you could tell that being approached by someone who’d likely been a secret admirer during her youth (as I was) was the real reinforcement for her. And why wouldn’t it be?

    She was an artist, however, and had many of the predictable moral attributes of an artist, as in slightly high and mighty and to the left. I would see her at this same holiday party over the next 8 or 9 years, and it was kind of sad to see her beauty fade (she did little to maintain her appearance…possibly as a function of her higher moral plane.) It made me wonder about her (potentially) coming to terms with the false sense of importance that often accompanies very attractive young women into middle or old age.

  131. @Rosie

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks
     
    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.

    Actually not “all around.” Attractive women will definitely “accept” this, because it is to their advantage. This is how it works, and neither you nor I can change it.

    Sorry if you don’t like it. That just reveals where you stand in the competition.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Actually not “all around.” Attractive women will definitely “accept” this, because it is to their advantage. This is how it works, and neither you nor I can change it.

    Sorry if you don’t like it. That just reveals where you stand in the competition.
     
    You are incorrect, Buzz. Plenty of attractive women swear off men because they get tired of being dehumanized by them.

    And as far as competition, one of the perks of being out here on the right tail of the bell curve is that the odds are ever in my favor, and it has been that way my entire adult life.

    https://external-preview.redd.it/ua5uPPa-cjqGRMIJ1Qfuz9aPlsKZFZMFjUwprMuyWeo.jpg?auto=webp&s=6f1a7a82c3e5999d8937a15913e428f2dcbc6613
  132. @G. Poulin
    While I'm sure that there are plenty of smart babes and dumb dogs out there, there does seem to be a general correlation between hot chicks and brainless chicks. We need more data.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201012/beautiful-people-really-are-more-intelligent

    Beautiful males are more likely to be intelligent, but they are positively correlated for both sexes.

  133. @Anon
    Oh dear. Late on the thread but let me give you my take:

    It’s not “hot wife” factor. It’s “ladies who lunch” factor, and their female followers.

    If your dad is wealthy, you will look better than if you had been born poor. You’ll probable marry better, too. But mainly you’ll grow up with reasonable self-confidence and a wider social circle, and you can preach. Naturally, Cinderellas can become ladies who lunch, and preach. But proof of what I’m saying is the number of well-born divorcées (even struggling economically) who preach positive visualization. Often these ladies can start their own virtuous circles when one of them preaches, say, helping an orphanage. Particularly when they’re pretty and well dressed. Huge draw for the happy-but-bewildered orphanage.

    Be fair and write about the male loonies who spout socialism, heartiste and go to Burning Man.

    spout socialism, heartiste and go to Burning Man.

    One of these things is not the same as the others. Bigly.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Well, what happened to your sense of humor? Too many bitter whackos on the thread to take it to heart...
  134. Rosie owns you, boys …

  135. @Muggles
    Clorox baths! Looks like she's following Trump's advice about bleach!

    Does her husband know she watches Fox?

    I don't think my insurance covers "vitamin drips" whatever they are. Though perhaps sharing bodily fluids with her might cure me of various things that ail me. At least one for sure

    All those positive energy fields and flows. Sounds like a plan I can get behind.

    I wonder if she's available for house calls?

    Maybe they both admire Rashid Buttar of NC, and his peroxide jabs?
    He festers on about metals as well. “Heavy metal toxicity” is one of his angles. As though nobody knew that already. Where are my plutonium and lead teaspoons?
    Also claims to be able to “cure” autism in children by … injecting them in the arse with their own piss.

  136. Steve, A guy is lying on a hospital bed, wearing an oxygen mask, preliminary diagnosis…COVID-19. Nurse walks into the room. “How are you doing?” Guy says:”Are my testicles black?” Nurse says, “Pardon me?” Guys says, “I am really concerned, really worried. Can you please check and see if my testicles are black?” Nurse shrugs, “Sure, why not?” She pulls the sheet down pulls his gown up, pushes his manhood to one side, cradles his nuts in her hand and says…”Your testicles look fine to me.” Guy pulls down the breathing mask and says…”I am going to say this slowly, one more time. Are my test results back?”

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    !
    , @JMcG
    I laughed again- thanks Joe. Stay safe brother
    , @Lockean Proviso
    ..."I never thought that it would happen to me, but then with a distracted, faraway look in her eyes she said 'Here, let me go ahead and get another sample for that fertility test..."
  137. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    He may be fabulously rich, but you can see the hurt on his face every time a potential friend treats him as a source of free stuff.
     
    A brilliant analogy to drive home the point. Why didn't I think of that?

    You may reply that anyone would be jealous of this “problem” of his, but, while I’m not even sure that you’d be right, it is beside the point. It would not serve you to ignore my advice.
     
    Even if you're a hot commodity, you're still a commodity, and it's humiliating. Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness. They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they're tired of caring about standards of decency.

    Isn't it interesting that one has to dwell on the fact that beautiful girls are hurt by male shallowness as well as homely ones? You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it's perfectly fine, because their feelings don't matter.

    Even if you’re a hot commodity, you’re still a commodity, and it’s humiliating.

    Yet you have no problem with objectifying men and regarding them as a kind of commodity.

    Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness.

    Of course it does, because any criticism or mere statement of reality about women offends you at a personal level. Because everything is always about you, Rosie.

    Reading your comments, it is obvious that 70’s era feminism is a revolt against nature. Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God, evolution, space aliens, Flying Spaghetti Monser – doesn’t matter, the brain studies keep verifying that over and over again.

    It’s just that feminists cannot accept nature, and insist that men are just inferior women who can’t behave properly, i.e. like good little schoolgirls. The fact that feminist dogma is diametrically opposed to reality doesn’t matter.

    Rosie is s feminist, therefore….

    They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they’re tired of caring about standards of decency.

    Project much?

    Rosy, you know that objectifiying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked, the essence of psychopathy in fact, but you are tired of caring about standards of decency. You continue to reduce men to the status of machines, hating more and more over every single jot of masculinity — this is not a route to happiness or contentment, or a peaceful life. It is a good way to alienate any sons you may have, as just about any man in his 20’s could tell you – except that no one can tell you anything. You’re strong ‘n independent! Don’t need no man! Except when you do, and I’m sure that grates on you deeply.

    lol. Your insecurities become more obvious every week.

  138. @Bubba
    Christopher and his brother Andrew are consummate grifters and slimeballs yet they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee who made a good living with her TV show on the Food Network.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/25/22/18937376-0-image-a-1_1569447272971.jpg

    they manage to hook up with rather pretty women.

    Here is Andy with his ex-girlfriend Sandra Lee

    Uh… no.

  139. @Justice Duvall
    There's an episode of 30 Rock that flips the genders.

    Liz Lemon is dating a doctor played by John Hamm. He does not know how to do anything correctly, because every woman always tells the handsome guy he's right.

    The problem with the conceit, of course, is that other men would be happy to tell a guy who looks like John Hamm that he's wrong.

    There’s an episode of 30 Rock that flips the genders.

    LMAO! Steve-O, should I?

  140. @anon
    "We want to neutralize heavy metals

    Well, that part makes sense. I mean, just look...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MzWF8YLhY

    HEAVY METAL inspired one of the all-time classic South Park episodes.

    https://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s12e03-major-boobage

  141. @Rosie
    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists are out in pathologizing women in full force tonight.

    Rosie, I feel sorry for you, Aldey and Tillie’s plight here amongst WNW’s. But I’ll tell you what, I have a new nickname for your cabal…

    Lethal Weapon III!

  142. @Buzz Mohawk
    There is no correlation whatsoever between brains and beauty in women. None. The men here who imply that there is have never been intimate with hot women.

    In fact, if anything, attractive women tend to be smarter than the more ugly ones. It is again just a simple matter of genetic superiority.

    “attractive women tend to be smarter than the more ugly ones”

    Given that wealth is a very rough proxy for intelligence, and wealthier men tend to attract prettier women, you’d expect attractiveness to be roughly correlated with intelligence.

    At the private school gates you definitely get a MILFier class of mum than you do at the sink estate school gates.

  143. @Expletive Deleted

    spout socialism, heartiste and go to Burning Man.
     
    One of these things is not the same as the others. Bigly.

    Well, what happened to your sense of humor? Too many bitter whackos on the thread to take it to heart…

  144. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve always said to feminists, “quit attacking men, and start attacking the girls of porn hub. Your greatest adversaries are in plain sight within your own gender ranks. You won’t dare confront them, because you know they will collectively tell you to go fuck yourselves, and make fun of your fat asses, and ugly faces. Symmetry trumps outrage. One is real, the other abstract. Real always wins.”

  145. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, A guy is lying on a hospital bed, wearing an oxygen mask, preliminary diagnosis...COVID-19. Nurse walks into the room. "How are you doing?" Guy says:"Are my testicles black?" Nurse says, "Pardon me?" Guys says, "I am really concerned, really worried. Can you please check and see if my testicles are black?" Nurse shrugs, "Sure, why not?" She pulls the sheet down pulls his gown up, pushes his manhood to one side, cradles his nuts in her hand and says..."Your testicles look fine to me." Guy pulls down the breathing mask and says..."I am going to say this slowly, one more time. Are my test results back?"

    !

  146. @Anon
    I don’t think so. I recall watching her when she was a youngster on the Porter Waggoner show around 1974 with a couple of friends one whom commented, gawd Dolly Parton’s got the biggest tits!

    There’s a Dr. Demento version where the T word is replaced by a horn beep or something, but it’s not on YT that I can find.

  147. @Anon
    Carl Zimmer is ridiculing Cristina Cuomo on Twitter? That's rich. His Amy-Harmonesque pseudoscience is more harmful to society than anything Cristina Cuomo is saying.

    Too right.

    I’ve noticed an uptick on manly man chat sites like Gab and iSteve (and what manly man frequents a “chat”?) ridiculing “women” as stupid because they all believe in astrology or crystal energy or such like. I suspect this is a defense mechanism (what, lonely guys online need a defense mechanism?) for the many who allowed “experts” to fool them into thinking imaginary lines on graphs meant “science” proved millions would die unless we stayed in our basements for an indefinite period. That, combined with “there are no races” genetic “experts”, have done more harm to the world than all the “crystals are magic” notions combined.

    Read that two-pages of gobbledy-gook Taleb and that guy from “the Center for the Study of Complex Things” posted about “Everyone must sit in their basement and wear masks or we’ll all die” and then tell me about our “sciencey” men are. Men are just better at blowing smoke (women I guess are better blowing other things).

  148. “For me real and imagined, by the way, is just the same. Because the world is our imagination.” – Aleksandr Dugin

  149. @Muggles
    >>Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.<<

    I don't think that hatred is the correct term To dredge up an old cliche, Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus. Yes, different.

    And who is supposed to teach us that (girls and boys)? Your parents, maybe, in the old days. Mostly from observation or (for men anyway) negative reinforcement. Men are highly visual when it comes to attraction, Not just heterosexuals either. Just look at how youth and beauty are "objectified" in the official gay culture. (I hear that is less true in Europe but have no idea).

    Women realize the physical/visual thing about men of course. Hence the huge industry in making them appear more attractive. That's half the economy and nearly all of female showbiz.

    Men on the other hand are clueless about "what women really want." Of course we are. Who teaches that? Now we are instructed that gender is arbitrary and fluid. Most women are quite cagey about revealing what they appreciate in men. Even in long time relationships. Keeping them on the proverbial string. So it seems. Rosie might want to clue us in here. But doesn't.

    There seem to be two main themes about female "wants." Materialism or something else, like tolerable behavior and "nice" personality traits. Hard for most men to figure out. Some never do, and some women do seem to "hate" men, even the non lesbians. In some cases understandable.

    But really, a major failure of educational psychology. Especially in the Modern Age of female empowerment. Does Taylor Swift really "wish she were a man?" Why? Without her cute blonde looks she'd be another failed male songwriter/piano player at the Holiday Inn. So unfair...

    I don’t think that hatred is the correct term To dredge up an old cliche, Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus. Yes, different.

    Yes, we are different and nine times out of ten, I’m content to leave it at that, but this time, I have to challenge you lot to do better.

    Rosie might want to clue us in here. But doesn’t.

    I can’t possibly clue you in as to what “women” want, because we all want different things. Women’s desires from men are very idiosyncratic. I think men need to be who they are, and just let women take them or leave them. If you’re a nerd, be ok with that, plenty of women will love it. If you’re a happy-go-lucky jock, fine. Lots of women will love that, too. A sensitive musician prone to bouts of depression. Some chicks are certainly going to dig that. In other words, you do you.

    The idea that women are all the same is extremely damaging to men’s efforts to make an impression on the girl that’s right for them rather than the girl they think will impress their buddies.

    • Replies: @Mehen

    I can’t possibly clue you in as to what “women” want, because we all want different things. Women’s desires from men are very idiosyncratic.
     
    Let’s not over complicate things.

    Young and/or hot women who have the “goods” will indulge their desire for sexual thrills by going after unattainable men (“HAWT GUYS”)

    Women a bit more long in the tooth and/or mediocre will want a man for his material provisioning or emotional support.

    This is why when women say they want a “real man” you have to look beyond their words and judge their lives holistically. For a thrill-seeking hottie, the term refers to what the negroidians call a “Real Soulja”, i.e., a bad boy. While the aging woman for whom the bloom is off the rose will mean “a steady, responsible provider” for the term “real man”.

    These two “idiosyncrasies” account for about 90% of the variation you impute to womens’ “inscrutable” natures.

    Over complicating things is often an attempt to obscure.

  150. @Rahan
    Just because low-IQ cranks babble about reptiles and chemtrails, doesn't mean that there ISN'T something going on. In fact, every regular reader of Unz know that there IS something going.

    Likewise with "healing energy" and the like. Just because annoying Karens and tattooed millenials with hair buns and ringed noses babble about the body's energy, doesn't mean there isn't something in this. There is.

    In fact, compared to all the "totally scientific health science" that has turned whole generations into opioid, tranquilizer, and prescription speed addicts; not to mention into trannies; and all those whose more subtle disorders were written off as "all in your head" and buried under the aforementioned painkillers and tranqualizers--compared to this corporate shitshow, the Hindu "prana energy" and the Chinese "Chi energy", which are based on crude empirical gathering of info, crumb by crum, for a hundred generations, isounds rather more "scientific" in the end.

    Just because dumb chicks talk about life energy, doesn't mean there's no biological energy flows inside people and other living things. Same way just because fat weirdos babble about intergalactic Jews, doesn't mean Israel hasn't hijacked the US.

    There is no way prana or ch’i could exist as defined. This is vitalism of id-force, animal magnetism of Mesmer etc.

    Practitioners of “life energy” claim that our contemporary apparatuses cannot measure it. So far, so good. But- we could measure effects of life force on organism, when a bio-therapist is doing one of his seances (Reiki & similar stuff). There are sensors measuring temperature, pressure, changes in EM fields, even force, when these guys & gals are waiving hands.

    And I don’t think anything has been measured. Subjectively, their “patients” claim to feel waves of heat, tickling, rush of currents under the skin & similar sensations. But- portable sensors had not shown any significant, not expected change in physical variables (T, P, E, B, F, …).

    The only para-field I’m certain it exists (and I don’t know how) is dowsing.

    • Replies: @Mehen
    There is no scientific test for the qualia of consciousness either. How would you measure the sensation of pain, or the emotions of love/hate?
    , @JMcG
    In my youth, part of my job was digging up faulted electric lines and repairing them. With a shovel and digging bar. Now, we had fairly unsophisticated analog detectors which would do a decent job in finding the damaged wire if used properly. Unfortunately, it was often my lot to be assigned to a crew whose leader thought he was more successful using a pair of wands fashioned from #4 copper wire. He would walk around with one in each fist, and when they crossed in response to some subtle variation in the EM field, he’d point to the spot where we should dig.
    After we’d get down four feet or so into soil which had clearly lain undisturbed since it had been glacially deposited, he’d try again. Dumb luck would have done better. It would have been hilarious had I not been paying in unnecessary labor. I’ve never been able to take dowsing seriously since.
  151. @Buzz Mohawk

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.
     

     
    Actually not "all around." Attractive women will definitely "accept" this, because it is to their advantage. This is how it works, and neither you nor I can change it.

    Sorry if you don't like it. That just reveals where you stand in the competition.

    Actually not “all around.” Attractive women will definitely “accept” this, because it is to their advantage. This is how it works, and neither you nor I can change it.

    Sorry if you don’t like it. That just reveals where you stand in the competition.

    You are incorrect, Buzz. Plenty of attractive women swear off men because they get tired of being dehumanized by them.

    And as far as competition, one of the perks of being out here on the right tail of the bell curve is that the odds are ever in my favor, and it has been that way my entire adult life.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Plenty of attractive women swear off men because they get tired of being dehumanized by them.
     
    Normal, sexual women (that is redundant BTW) do not "swear off men." Period.

    "Dehumanized?" LOL A healthy man's lust for a healthy woman is dehumanizing? My dear, you would not exist if not for that lust. Far from dehumanizing, it creates humans.
  152. anonymous[762] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes
    Beauty is a real power in the universe. Beauty is Real. The Greeks understood the universe better than Jews, Christians and Muslims do. The Greeks understood that Beauty was a force in the universe and instantiated this by worshipping her as a Goddess.

    The humanist polytheism of the Greeks gave a much more accurate picture of the universe than did/does the sterile, burning disc in a hot desert, monotheistic, God as ineffable, omniscient, omnipotent Abstraction.

    In adopting monotheism, we have lost our way. All that made the universe humanly intelligible is now regarded with skepticism. But beauty is not just a projection, an anthropomorphizing. To fail to see this is to live in an antisexual desert. Buggery is the norm for monotheists.

    In adopting monotheism, we have lost our way.

    Since when did the west adopt Islam? *scratches head*

    Jokes aside, you fellows did not adopt monotheism. The 3 is 1 formula is simply some deceitful metaphysical trickery played by your faith’s concocters. It makes no sense, and it certainly isn’t “monotheism.”

    Did you know that many hindoos too consider their extreme polytheism as ultimately monotheist? They too have devised dissembling “profundities” to collapse their 33mil “gods” into 3, and then into 1. Are they monotheist too?

    Every theist seems to innately see the logicality of monotheism. But, polytheists find that old beliefs are sometimes impossible to suppress, so they simply label their faith as “monotheist,” and plough on.

    See, people can claim anything they want as the truth, even the most nonsensical and illogical things, and there will always be morons who will buy it hook, line, and sinker, because someone in authority sagely said so.

    The true intellectual applies his/her own mind to validate such hearsay. Clearly, at least in the spiritual context, there aren’t many intellectuals amongst the famed “geniuses” of the “advanced” world.

  153. @UK

    Reading these comments, it occurs to me that many men of the dissident right are in open revolt against goodness. They know that objectifying and instrumentalizing human beings is wicked (the essence of psychopathy, in fact), but they’re tired of caring about standards of decency
     
    It is the essence of psychopathy if you actually do it, not if you just vent on the internet. The latter may be just sharing their feelings. Something a lot of young men find difficult to do. They'd probably greatly appreciate being given a safe space in real life for this, but that is rare for them, much rarer than it is for women.

    Indeed, women can objectify men as emotionally soothing objects, who must therefore never be allowed to share or emote in a way that could ever negatively reflect, even by proxy, on that woman; while at the same time they broadcast theirs very loudly for their own succour.

    I appreciate that you did not actually label them psychopaths but, ironically, it is generally women who do most the of invalidating men's feeling even though men tend to passively invite it.

    Isn’t it interesting that one has to dwell on the fact that beautiful girls are hurt by male shallowness as well as homely ones? You see, as long as it only demeans and humiliates homely girls, well then it’s perfectly fine, because their feelings don’t matter.
     
    I find that a lot of homely girls unintentionally support this effect by never speaking straightforwardly about what has actually hurt them. One cannot expect people to be mind-readers on everything and go against those girls' word. Of course one cannot expect normal people to be direct and open with what they are actually vulnerable about, so it is all a bit difficult.

    I also do think that, while it isn't talked about so much, it is generally taken as granted that people don't like to be thought as less good looking than others. Maybe it needs to be pointed out to some commenters, but I'd be surprised. The other thing is that other than understanding that it is hurtful there isn't anything to be done about it...that I can think of anyway. Physical beauty exists and it is unequally distributed. Ok, that doesn't have to be the biggest deal even if people can understandably feel crushed by it.

    I also do think that, while it isn’t talked about so much, it is generally taken as granted that people don’t like to be thought as less good looking than others. Maybe it needs to be pointed out to some commenters, but I’d be surprised. The other thing is that other than understanding that it is hurtful there isn’t anything to be done about it…that I can think of anyway. Physical beauty exists and it is unequally distributed. Ok, that doesn’t have to be the biggest deal even if people can understandably feel crushed by it.

    No, being thought less good-looking than others is not particularly hurtful. What is hurtful is being thought of as less worthwhile as a human being on that account. And even that isn’t really that big of deal. What is devastating is when you can’t find anyone who appreciates what you have to offer.

    And yes, there is something to be done about it, and it starts with (ahem) people being less preoccupied with physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else.

    • Agree: UK
    • Replies: @Mehen

    And yes, there is something to be done about it, and it starts with (ahem) people being less preoccupied with physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else.
     
    This is of a piece with the communist Utopianism that if everyone were not so self-interested we could have peace on Earth.
  154. @Rosie

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks
     
    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.

    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks

    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.

    Men are going to be attracted by signs of good genes and fertility (i.e. “looks”).

    Women are going to be attracted by signs of good genes (inc. dominance, status) and–amongst civilized cultures– provision.

    Marriage adds layers of requirements and desires. But these basics of sexual attractions are set.
    Selection would wash out the freaks who desired otherwise.

    Obviously people–men and women–who end up on the bottom will be unhappy about this reality. But it can not be otherwise.

    Complaining about this is akin to complaining that birds can fly and fish can swim.

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
    Many birds can swim, many fish can fly.

    Trillions, over the years.

    But your comment stands.
  155. @Anonymous
    A big pair of jugs goes a long way.

    Adrienne Barbeau was a nice person and a decent but not fantastic actress, but she had a blah body except for those knockers and she went far. Not a great classic beauty.

    Dolly Parton parlayed a lot of songwriting talent, decent singing (she was the weakest of the "Trio", but with Linda and Emmy who wouldn't have been?) and a superb business sense into success-but a pair of colossal titties sure did not hurt, especially with the sense to be good natured about it.

    Women with really flat chests.....you have to respect them for having the guts to go out there, Renee Zellweger before she had work comes to mind. Little LMM has even less than mumsy, a shame because she's otherwise prettier (comparing them at the same age, Big LMM has had a facial trainwreck from veganism).

    Really flat rear ends are more concealable. Nancy Sinatra has no discernible ass at all.

    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you’re no good, i’m no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    Sorry, Emmy Lou Harris has a phony voice – listen to a few real singers from her region then listen to her again – it is like going from home cooked bread to Wonder Bread.

    Dolly Parton, the only artist among the three of then, has a natural voice, real empathy, and has an unusual skill in not sounding phony.

    I have heard that Rondstadt and Harris are kind-hearted people, albeit, of course, full of celebrity flaws and stupid/selfish views of the world. I am talking about their artwork, not about them as human beings.

    • Replies: @Anon
    That’s a pretty good take on this trio. Dolly’s “Coat of Many Colors” is a wonderfully authentic song, written from her life experience. Linda and Emmy Lou are fine singers and I like them all. But Dolly is truly the soulful one.

    On the flip-side, her pop-rock anthem “Islands in the Stream” sung w/ Kenny Rodgers—who was a strictly pop style dude, is a tremendous production/performance that I personally like a lot.
    , @Anonymous
    Emmy has the purest voice in any kind of popular music-so much that a lot of people who like her as a person can't stand to listen to her for extended periods of time, it's like putting a speaker on an HP 200 lunchbox oscillator. She is not someone who "grew up with" country music, she came from the folk music scene but was just young enough there were no more likely careers for "folk" singers plus, she'd hooked up with Gram Parsons by then. She admits that basically growing up she considered country music hokey. Although a member of the Opry now, she still doesn't think of herself as a "country" singer so much: indeed, her best work in twenty years was the album and tour she did with Mark Knopfler a while ago.

    She was a military brat but also a straight A high school student who was valedictorian of her class. Another interesting tidbit, she played Max's Kansas City in New York several times and evidently got in a little tiff (some say, a catfight ) with a waitress and former folk rock band member there and the two women still do not get along fifty years down the road.
    , @Anonymous

    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you’re no good, i’m no good, we are both liars) (look it up).
     
    Linda doesn't write songs, at all, so had to do what she could choose from and at that time that's what the singer/songwriters were tending to do. She came off like a little bit of a stuck up bitch in interviews of the time, but her singing skills were first rate, her pipes were great, her pitch and timing very good. She was a pro and did thoroughly professional work with pro sidemen, she knew who to pick.

    I never considered her especially "hot" but I go for a specific type and she isn't it. She didn't have the face or the body. She looked like she'd get big when she got old and she did. Nevertheless I find it very sad what happened to her, everyone does.

    I'd say she was the best female pop-rock singer of her business cohort or era. No one, East or West Coast or Brit/Aussie/Kiwi, equalled her completely.
    , @Anonymous

    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you’re no good, i’m no good, we are both liars) (look it up).
     
    You’re referring to her cokehead days.

    Before her cokehead days, she was a doll, and communicated with her audience just fine. In fact, she was wonderful:

    https://youtu.be/A0qm8nq8RcA
  156. @AnotherDad



    Although a man’s focus is almost entirely on looks
     
    That is never going to acceptable to women, and as long as it continues, there will be hatred all around.
     
    Men are going to be attracted by signs of good genes and fertility (i.e. "looks").

    Women are going to be attracted by signs of good genes (inc. dominance, status) and--amongst civilized cultures-- provision.

    Marriage adds layers of requirements and desires. But these basics of sexual attractions are set.
    Selection would wash out the freaks who desired otherwise.

    Obviously people--men and women--who end up on the bottom will be unhappy about this reality. But it can not be otherwise.

    Complaining about this is akin to complaining that birds can fly and fish can swim.

    Many birds can swim, many fish can fly.

    Trillions, over the years.

    But your comment stands.

  157. Oh dear, where to begin? At the beginning, I suppose.

    Of course it does, because any criticism or mere statement of reality about women offends you at a personal level. Because everything is always about you,

    ***

    It’s just that feminists cannot accept nature, and insist that men are just inferior women who can’t behave properly, i.e. like good little schoolgirls.

    Men criticizing women: fine.
    Women criticizing men: not fine.

    Got it.

    Au contraire, it is you who reduce men to the status of meat robots totally controlled by their genetic programming.

    hating more and more over every single jot of masculinity —

    If masculinity means being a shallow jerk who reduces a woman’s value to her physical appearance, then yes I hate it, but I don’t think that’s what it means.

    Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God

    You’re strong ‘n independent! Don’t need no man!

    I’ve always found it strange that precisely those men who insist that women need men are the ones who most vociferously defend men’s rejection of the homely ones. How are they supposed to manage?!?

    • Replies: @anon
    Men criticizing women: fine.
    Women criticizing men: not fine.


    Lol, project much?
    Your algorithm is the exact opposite:
    Time after time you hurl false accusations at men, all men, based on something that you took personally.


    Au contraire, it is you who reduce men to the status of meat robots totally controlled by their genetic programming.

    Lol, no, more projection from you. Men are not walking ATM's with robot arms, we are human beings. Not inferior women, either.

    If masculinity means being a shallow jerk who reduces a woman’s value to her physical appearance, then yes I hate it, but I don’t think that’s what it means.

    Your hindbrain knows what masculinity is, even as your forebrain hates it.

    Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God, evolution, etc. made them that way

    Lol @ your cartoon version of yourself. You continually whine about what ought to be.

    Again, whatever origin of humans you prefer, men are the way they are because that's how they were created / evolved / whatever. So you are in fact in rebellion against nature itself, or whatever god you may pretend to believe in.

    You’re strong ‘n independent! Don’t need no man!
     
    I’ve always found it strange that precisely those men who insist that women need men are the ones who most vociferously defend men’s rejection of the homely ones. How are they supposed to manage?!?

    Assortative mating, of course, the practice of humans for millennia. Your grandmother knew all about it. Too bad feminism has worked so long to destroy it.


    Just to add a little value, as shown in the IQ curve above where you flattered yourself in vain, men's attractors (things that attract them to women) also have a wider Var than women's. There are men who desire fat girls, men who desire skinny girls, men who desire short girls, men who desire tall girls, men who desire buxom girls, men who desire flat chested girls, and so forth and so on. It's visible in this thread, with some men saying that Mrs. Fredo is hawt! and others saying she's meh.

    There is always a man for the homely girl, as long as she can put all the YOUGOGIRL propaganda to one side. But there is not always a woman for the homely man. That's just nature at work, and it shows up in genetics as well as fiction: most women marry and even now bear children, there's always a notable cohort of men who do not.

    The same range of attraction is not true of women. Women in general (NAWALT!!!!!, ok, ok, calm down) want a man who is taller than they are, the same age or older. Just for a start, and the details all sort out. Thus it is no surprise that women's desires line up with Pareto, where 80% of the women want 20% of the men - because all those virtually identical attraction triggers are lining up the same way. Especially among younger women in the upper teens and 20's when Chad the Cad can easily charm his way through a whole herd of girls in part because they all are attracted to the same things. In part, not entirely of course.

    Really, your grandmother knew this, or maybe her mother knew this. Jane Austen knew it. So did Georgette Heyer. It's only in the last 50 or so years that a lot of pretty lies have been woven around the sexes, in order to cater to whims of women who want to pretend to be men -- but only for the "good parts", not for the "bad parts".

    How's it working out? How many women are on anti-anxiety meds now? More than ever before? Must be all that success!
  158. @Rosie

    I don't think that hatred is the correct term To dredge up an old cliche, Men are From Mars and Women are From Venus. Yes, different.
     
    Yes, we are different and nine times out of ten, I'm content to leave it at that, but this time, I have to challenge you lot to do better.

    Rosie might want to clue us in here. But doesn't.
     
    I can't possibly clue you in as to what "women" want, because we all want different things. Women's desires from men are very idiosyncratic. I think men need to be who they are, and just let women take them or leave them. If you're a nerd, be ok with that, plenty of women will love it. If you're a happy-go-lucky jock, fine. Lots of women will love that, too. A sensitive musician prone to bouts of depression. Some chicks are certainly going to dig that. In other words, you do you.

    The idea that women are all the same is extremely damaging to men's efforts to make an impression on the girl that's right for them rather than the girl they think will impress their buddies.

    I can’t possibly clue you in as to what “women” want, because we all want different things. Women’s desires from men are very idiosyncratic.

    Let’s not over complicate things.

    Young and/or hot women who have the “goods” will indulge their desire for sexual thrills by going after unattainable men (“HAWT GUYS”)

    Women a bit more long in the tooth and/or mediocre will want a man for his material provisioning or emotional support.

    This is why when women say they want a “real man” you have to look beyond their words and judge their lives holistically. For a thrill-seeking hottie, the term refers to what the negroidians call a “Real Soulja”, i.e., a bad boy. While the aging woman for whom the bloom is off the rose will mean “a steady, responsible provider” for the term “real man”.

    These two “idiosyncrasies” account for about 90% of the variation you impute to womens’ “inscrutable” natures.

    Over complicating things is often an attempt to obscure.

  159. @Bardon Kaldian
    There is no way prana or ch'i could exist as defined. This is vitalism of id-force, animal magnetism of Mesmer etc.

    Practitioners of "life energy" claim that our contemporary apparatuses cannot measure it. So far, so good. But- we could measure effects of life force on organism, when a bio-therapist is doing one of his seances (Reiki & similar stuff). There are sensors measuring temperature, pressure, changes in EM fields, even force, when these guys & gals are waiving hands.

    And I don't think anything has been measured. Subjectively, their "patients" claim to feel waves of heat, tickling, rush of currents under the skin & similar sensations. But- portable sensors had not shown any significant, not expected change in physical variables (T, P, E, B, F, ...).

    The only para-field I'm certain it exists (and I don't know how) is dowsing.

    There is no scientific test for the qualia of consciousness either. How would you measure the sensation of pain, or the emotions of love/hate?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    There is no need for direct measurement of qi (let's call it that). What qi (id, prana, ...) practitioners & their patients claim is healing through application of qi. According to them, qi is as yet unrecognized force- but operating in this, 3+1 dimensional universe, with effects clearly shown in other areas & in forms of energy, measured in Joules.

    There are various forms of energy (mechanical, chemical, electromagnetic, gravitational, ...) & there is the law of conservation of energy.

    Patients claim that during qi healing sessions they feel physical changes in their diseased (swollen, wounded, ..) areas (heating, pressure, some currents, cooling, ..). These are physical changes that could, in principle, be measured by modern portable sensors measuring these physical variables (pressure in Pa, heat in J, temperature in °K, ..). There is no need to directly measure qi.

    And yet- nothing has been measured.
  160. @Rosie

    I also do think that, while it isn’t talked about so much, it is generally taken as granted that people don’t like to be thought as less good looking than others. Maybe it needs to be pointed out to some commenters, but I’d be surprised. The other thing is that other than understanding that it is hurtful there isn’t anything to be done about it…that I can think of anyway. Physical beauty exists and it is unequally distributed. Ok, that doesn’t have to be the biggest deal even if people can understandably feel crushed by it.
     
    No, being thought less good-looking than others is not particularly hurtful. What is hurtful is being thought of as less worthwhile as a human being on that account. And even that isn't really that big of deal. What is devastating is when you can't find anyone who appreciates what you have to offer.

    And yes, there is something to be done about it, and it starts with (ahem) people being less preoccupied with physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else.

    And yes, there is something to be done about it, and it starts with (ahem) people being less preoccupied with physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else.

    This is of a piece with the communist Utopianism that if everyone were not so self-interested we could have peace on Earth.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    This is of a piece with the communist Utopianism that if everyone were not so self-interested we could have peace on Earth.
     
    Be a moral sloth with no concern for self-improvement, for all I care. Just don't be surprised at the existence of "man-hating feminists" that's all.

    Cause --> effect.
  161. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, A guy is lying on a hospital bed, wearing an oxygen mask, preliminary diagnosis...COVID-19. Nurse walks into the room. "How are you doing?" Guy says:"Are my testicles black?" Nurse says, "Pardon me?" Guys says, "I am really concerned, really worried. Can you please check and see if my testicles are black?" Nurse shrugs, "Sure, why not?" She pulls the sheet down pulls his gown up, pushes his manhood to one side, cradles his nuts in her hand and says..."Your testicles look fine to me." Guy pulls down the breathing mask and says..."I am going to say this slowly, one more time. Are my test results back?"

    I laughed again- thanks Joe. Stay safe brother

  162. @Bardon Kaldian
    There is no way prana or ch'i could exist as defined. This is vitalism of id-force, animal magnetism of Mesmer etc.

    Practitioners of "life energy" claim that our contemporary apparatuses cannot measure it. So far, so good. But- we could measure effects of life force on organism, when a bio-therapist is doing one of his seances (Reiki & similar stuff). There are sensors measuring temperature, pressure, changes in EM fields, even force, when these guys & gals are waiving hands.

    And I don't think anything has been measured. Subjectively, their "patients" claim to feel waves of heat, tickling, rush of currents under the skin & similar sensations. But- portable sensors had not shown any significant, not expected change in physical variables (T, P, E, B, F, ...).

    The only para-field I'm certain it exists (and I don't know how) is dowsing.

    In my youth, part of my job was digging up faulted electric lines and repairing them. With a shovel and digging bar. Now, we had fairly unsophisticated analog detectors which would do a decent job in finding the damaged wire if used properly. Unfortunately, it was often my lot to be assigned to a crew whose leader thought he was more successful using a pair of wands fashioned from #4 copper wire. He would walk around with one in each fist, and when they crossed in response to some subtle variation in the EM field, he’d point to the spot where we should dig.
    After we’d get down four feet or so into soil which had clearly lain undisturbed since it had been glacially deposited, he’d try again. Dumb luck would have done better. It would have been hilarious had I not been paying in unnecessary labor. I’ve never been able to take dowsing seriously since.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    I've seen professional dowsers finding underground wells. Worked with 100% certainty.
  163. When a man realizes that many really beautiful women are often some combination of stupid/self-obsessed/manipulative…

    I don’t doubt that it appears that way to you, but that’s mainly because the stupid and/or narcissistic ones are the ones you’re likely to notice, because they are the ones who are dressed to the nines, wearing makeup, etc.

  164. @Mehen

    And yes, there is something to be done about it, and it starts with (ahem) people being less preoccupied with physical appearance to the exclusion of everything else.
     
    This is of a piece with the communist Utopianism that if everyone were not so self-interested we could have peace on Earth.

    This is of a piece with the communist Utopianism that if everyone were not so self-interested we could have peace on Earth.

    Be a moral sloth with no concern for self-improvement, for all I care. Just don’t be surprised at the existence of “man-hating feminists” that’s all.

    Cause –> effect.

  165. Over complicating things is often an attempt to obscure.

    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Really, nowhere but here have I ever seen such illiterate pontificating by people who never bother to research the facts.

    https://www.livescience.com/5502-men-agree-hot-women.html

    • Replies: @anon
    From the livescience article circa 2009 (ten year old study)

    What men want: Despite another recent study that found modern men are more interested in intelligent, educated women than in decades past, in the new study men tended to base their attractiveness ratings on women's physical features, giving stellar marks to those who looked thin and seductive.
     
    In this test, men rated highly slim women who look sexual. Yes, and Christian men prefer debt-free virgins with no tattoos.

    So? When I look around the real world, I see a lot of men who have obviously settled for overweight women, just for a start. There might be some flaws in this work.

    A number of possible errors are obvious, starting with experiment design. But tracking down a 10-year-old paper might be more trouble than it is worth. Lol, and people wonder how there could be a replication crisis in psychology.
  166. Anon[606] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Dodge
    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you're no good, i'm no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    Sorry, Emmy Lou Harris has a phony voice - listen to a few real singers from her region then listen to her again - it is like going from home cooked bread to Wonder Bread.

    Dolly Parton, the only artist among the three of then, has a natural voice, real empathy, and has an unusual skill in not sounding phony.

    I have heard that Rondstadt and Harris are kind-hearted people, albeit, of course, full of celebrity flaws and stupid/selfish views of the world. I am talking about their artwork, not about them as human beings.

    That’s a pretty good take on this trio. Dolly’s “Coat of Many Colors” is a wonderfully authentic song, written from her life experience. Linda and Emmy Lou are fine singers and I like them all. But Dolly is truly the soulful one.

    On the flip-side, her pop-rock anthem “Islands in the Stream” sung w/ Kenny Rodgers—who was a strictly pop style dude, is a tremendous production/performance that I personally like a lot.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    Anita Carter is my favorite.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOg-20eVQFI

    Her beautiful voice eases the quarantine and softens the loneliness.

  167. @Anon
    That’s a pretty good take on this trio. Dolly’s “Coat of Many Colors” is a wonderfully authentic song, written from her life experience. Linda and Emmy Lou are fine singers and I like them all. But Dolly is truly the soulful one.

    On the flip-side, her pop-rock anthem “Islands in the Stream” sung w/ Kenny Rodgers—who was a strictly pop style dude, is a tremendous production/performance that I personally like a lot.

    Anita Carter is my favorite.

    Her beautiful voice eases the quarantine and softens the loneliness.

  168. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Dodge
    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you're no good, i'm no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    Sorry, Emmy Lou Harris has a phony voice - listen to a few real singers from her region then listen to her again - it is like going from home cooked bread to Wonder Bread.

    Dolly Parton, the only artist among the three of then, has a natural voice, real empathy, and has an unusual skill in not sounding phony.

    I have heard that Rondstadt and Harris are kind-hearted people, albeit, of course, full of celebrity flaws and stupid/selfish views of the world. I am talking about their artwork, not about them as human beings.

    Emmy has the purest voice in any kind of popular music-so much that a lot of people who like her as a person can’t stand to listen to her for extended periods of time, it’s like putting a speaker on an HP 200 lunchbox oscillator. She is not someone who “grew up with” country music, she came from the folk music scene but was just young enough there were no more likely careers for “folk” singers plus, she’d hooked up with Gram Parsons by then. She admits that basically growing up she considered country music hokey. Although a member of the Opry now, she still doesn’t think of herself as a “country” singer so much: indeed, her best work in twenty years was the album and tour she did with Mark Knopfler a while ago.

    She was a military brat but also a straight A high school student who was valedictorian of her class. Another interesting tidbit, she played Max’s Kansas City in New York several times and evidently got in a little tiff (some say, a catfight ) with a waitress and former folk rock band member there and the two women still do not get along fifty years down the road.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    An opposite phenomenon is folkie Iris DeMent.

    She sounds like a gear up landing.

    Because of that and because of her being a former fundamentalist who is not so fundie any more, and maybe just because her name is "DeMent", she produces DeMent Derangement Syndrome. She has been denounced as Antichrist by preachers and people have smashed her records, even shot and stomped radios playing her (which is not many, no one but noncommercial stations would). Otherwise mostly sane people go nuts at the sound of her singing.


    Iris DeMent (born January 5, 1961) is a shameful American singer and songwriter. DeMent supports the feminist agenda through her music. DeMent's musical style encompasses the genres country, Gospel, and folk music. Iris was three years old when the family moved from Paragould, Arkansas to Orange County, California, where as a teen she discovered she was in conflict with much of what was being taught in church and left. At 17 she quit high school, got a GED and went to work at K-Mart. DeMent married Elmer McCall in 1991, but the marriage subsequently ended in divorce. She married singer-songwriter Greg Brown on November 21, 2002.

    Iris DeMent's is featured in Steven Spielberg's movie TRUE GRIT at the end, singing the Gospel hymn, On The Everlasting Arms. Anytime Hollywood features someone's Gospel singing, you can rest assure that something is very wrong spiritually in that singer's life. Hollywood rewards the wicked and will not promote anyone who truly loves God.

    Iris DeMent sings one of the most evil songs ever written (see lyrics below), more vile than ACDC's HIGHWAY TO HELL or BACK IN BLACK. I have more respect for open Satan worshippers, than I do for anyone who promotes and glorifies hatred and unforgiveness through their music. DeMent may not have written the song, but she has popularized it. Feminists love DeMent's hateful song. DeMent sings the heathen song, GOD MAY FORGIVE YOU (BUT I WON'T). That's too bad for Iris DeMent and every self-righteous hypocritical woman like her that follows her advice in the song, because the Bible teaches that God won't forgive those who refuse to forgive. Matthew 18:35, “So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.”

    Songwriters: Harlan Howard-Bobby Braddock

    You say that you're born again
    cleansed of your former sins
    You want me to say "I forgive and forget"
    But you've done too much to me
    Don't you be touching me,
    go back and touch all those women you've met
     
    https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/CCM/iris_dement.htm


    The pure and the tortuous:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v7dXA-LWVk
  169. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Dodge
    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you're no good, i'm no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    Sorry, Emmy Lou Harris has a phony voice - listen to a few real singers from her region then listen to her again - it is like going from home cooked bread to Wonder Bread.

    Dolly Parton, the only artist among the three of then, has a natural voice, real empathy, and has an unusual skill in not sounding phony.

    I have heard that Rondstadt and Harris are kind-hearted people, albeit, of course, full of celebrity flaws and stupid/selfish views of the world. I am talking about their artwork, not about them as human beings.

    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you’re no good, i’m no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    Linda doesn’t write songs, at all, so had to do what she could choose from and at that time that’s what the singer/songwriters were tending to do. She came off like a little bit of a stuck up bitch in interviews of the time, but her singing skills were first rate, her pipes were great, her pitch and timing very good. She was a pro and did thoroughly professional work with pro sidemen, she knew who to pick.

    I never considered her especially “hot” but I go for a specific type and she isn’t it. She didn’t have the face or the body. She looked like she’d get big when she got old and she did. Nevertheless I find it very sad what happened to her, everyone does.

    I’d say she was the best female pop-rock singer of her business cohort or era. No one, East or West Coast or Brit/Aussie/Kiwi, equalled her completely.

  170. This segment is relentlessly hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  171. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    Oh dear, where to begin? At the beginning, I suppose.

    Of course it does, because any criticism or mere statement of reality about women offends you at a personal level. Because everything is always about you,

    ***

    It’s just that feminists cannot accept nature, and insist that men are just inferior women who can’t behave properly, i.e. like good little schoolgirls.

     

    Men criticizing women: fine.
    Women criticizing men: not fine.

    Got it.

    Au contraire, it is you who reduce men to the status of meat robots totally controlled by their genetic programming.

    hating more and more over every single jot of masculinity —
     
    If masculinity means being a shallow jerk who reduces a woman's value to her physical appearance, then yes I hate it, but I don't think that's what it means.

    Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/c3/c4/d4c3c4d2cd5115517f6d2e52353554d7.jpg

    You’re strong ‘n independent! Don’t need no man!
     
    I've always found it strange that precisely those men who insist that women need men are the ones who most vociferously defend men's rejection of the homely ones. How are they supposed to manage?!?

    Men criticizing women: fine.
    Women criticizing men: not fine.

    Lol, project much?
    Your algorithm is the exact opposite:
    Time after time you hurl false accusations at men, all men, based on something that you took personally.

    Au contraire, it is you who reduce men to the status of meat robots totally controlled by their genetic programming.

    Lol, no, more projection from you. Men are not walking ATM’s with robot arms, we are human beings. Not inferior women, either.

    If masculinity means being a shallow jerk who reduces a woman’s value to her physical appearance, then yes I hate it, but I don’t think that’s what it means.

    Your hindbrain knows what masculinity is, even as your forebrain hates it.

    Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God, evolution, etc. made them that way

    Lol @ your cartoon version of yourself. You continually whine about what ought to be.

    Again, whatever origin of humans you prefer, men are the way they are because that’s how they were created / evolved / whatever. So you are in fact in rebellion against nature itself, or whatever god you may pretend to believe in.

    You’re strong ‘n independent! Don’t need no man!

    I’ve always found it strange that precisely those men who insist that women need men are the ones who most vociferously defend men’s rejection of the homely ones. How are they supposed to manage?!?

    Assortative mating, of course, the practice of humans for millennia. Your grandmother knew all about it. Too bad feminism has worked so long to destroy it.

    Just to add a little value, as shown in the IQ curve above where you flattered yourself in vain, men’s attractors (things that attract them to women) also have a wider Var than women’s. There are men who desire fat girls, men who desire skinny girls, men who desire short girls, men who desire tall girls, men who desire buxom girls, men who desire flat chested girls, and so forth and so on. It’s visible in this thread, with some men saying that Mrs. Fredo is hawt! and others saying she’s meh.

    There is always a man for the homely girl, as long as she can put all the YOUGOGIRL propaganda to one side. But there is not always a woman for the homely man. That’s just nature at work, and it shows up in genetics as well as fiction: most women marry and even now bear children, there’s always a notable cohort of men who do not.

    The same range of attraction is not true of women. Women in general (NAWALT!!!!!, ok, ok, calm down) want a man who is taller than they are, the same age or older. Just for a start, and the details all sort out. Thus it is no surprise that women’s desires line up with Pareto, where 80% of the women want 20% of the men – because all those virtually identical attraction triggers are lining up the same way. Especially among younger women in the upper teens and 20’s when Chad the Cad can easily charm his way through a whole herd of girls in part because they all are attracted to the same things. In part, not entirely of course.

    Really, your grandmother knew this, or maybe her mother knew this. Jane Austen knew it. So did Georgette Heyer. It’s only in the last 50 or so years that a lot of pretty lies have been woven around the sexes, in order to cater to whims of women who want to pretend to be men — but only for the “good parts”, not for the “bad parts”.

    How’s it working out? How many women are on anti-anxiety meds now? More than ever before? Must be all that success!

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Replies: @Rosie

    Thus it is no surprise that women’s desires line up with Pareto, where 80% of the women want 20% of the men – because all those virtually identical attraction triggers are lining up the same way.
     
    I don't have time to address most of the garbage in your incoherent rant, but this is a blatant lie. As I have explained a billion times now, it is men who are all competing for the same women, not the other way around.

    In fact, this is very typical. If you want to get to the truth of the matter, look at what the manosphere says, and presume the opposite.


    https://i.redd.it/2rzvpb3jhag11.jpg

    As you can see from the graphs, men are more generous in their ratings, but very demanding in their messaging, and that is precisely because of the unpredictable, idiosyncratic nature of female attraction.

    , @Rosie

    Again, whatever origin of humans you prefer, men are the way they are because that’s how they were created / evolved / whatever. So you are in fact in rebellion against nature itself, or whatever god you may pretend to believe in.
     
    It's funny. I don't remember hearing anyone around here ever use the naturalistic fallacy in defense of women.

    Lol @ your cartoon version of yourself. You continually whine about what ought to be.
     
    One cannot derive "is" from "ought" (the moralistic fallacy) any more than the reverse. That doesn't mean one cannot have an opinion about what ought to be.

    Where are you when men around here go on about what women ought to be and do?


    Time after time you hurl false accusations at men, all men, based on something that you took personally.
     
    If I falsely accuse men of something, the appropriate response is for you to tell me why it is false and cite your evidence, not tell me I'm taking things personally, which is totally irrelevant to the question at hand. I may or may not be "taking things personally." In either case, I am entitled to disagree with you, and your response betrays a desire to avoid and obfuscate the question by putting me on the couch.
  172. I never heard of Cristina Cuomo before. Seems like a nice lady, who looks fantastic for her age, and has some bad alt-medicine ideas.

  173. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Over complicating things is often an attempt to obscure.
     
    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    Really, nowhere but here have I ever seen such illiterate pontificating by people who never bother to research the facts.

    https://www.livescience.com/5502-men-agree-hot-women.html

    From the livescience article circa 2009 (ten year old study)

    What men want: Despite another recent study that found modern men are more interested in intelligent, educated women than in decades past, in the new study men tended to base their attractiveness ratings on women’s physical features, giving stellar marks to those who looked thin and seductive.

    In this test, men rated highly slim women who look sexual. Yes, and Christian men prefer debt-free virgins with no tattoos.

    So? When I look around the real world, I see a lot of men who have obviously settled for overweight women, just for a start. There might be some flaws in this work.

    A number of possible errors are obvious, starting with experiment design. But tracking down a 10-year-old paper might be more trouble than it is worth. Lol, and people wonder how there could be a replication crisis in psychology.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    A number of possible errors are obvious, starting with experiment design. But tracking down a 10-year-old paper might be more trouble than it is worth.
     
    Riiiiight.

    Let's just ignore any evidence we don't like.
  174. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stephen Dodge
    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you're no good, i'm no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    Sorry, Emmy Lou Harris has a phony voice - listen to a few real singers from her region then listen to her again - it is like going from home cooked bread to Wonder Bread.

    Dolly Parton, the only artist among the three of then, has a natural voice, real empathy, and has an unusual skill in not sounding phony.

    I have heard that Rondstadt and Harris are kind-hearted people, albeit, of course, full of celebrity flaws and stupid/selfish views of the world. I am talking about their artwork, not about them as human beings.

    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you’re no good, i’m no good, we are both liars) (look it up).

    You’re referring to her cokehead days.

    Before her cokehead days, she was a doll, and communicated with her audience just fine. In fact, she was wonderful:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Everyone, and I mean everyone, in showbiz who had money in the 70s and 80s went through a cocaine phase. Most outgrew it. A few tore themselves up pretty bad.

    Linda made a lot of money and was financially pretty white about it. She didn’t get the songwriter stream because she didn’t write, but she moved enough product and had good representation and got a good rate, and invested fairly well.

    She could have intimidated a house songwriter or two into giving her halfsies on credits and packed her albums with those songs, giving her guaranteed mailbox money, but musical integrity was more important to her.

    History will judge her by her work, and it stands up. I was never a buyer of her albums, but when she was on the radio I listened.
  175. @anon
    Men criticizing women: fine.
    Women criticizing men: not fine.


    Lol, project much?
    Your algorithm is the exact opposite:
    Time after time you hurl false accusations at men, all men, based on something that you took personally.


    Au contraire, it is you who reduce men to the status of meat robots totally controlled by their genetic programming.

    Lol, no, more projection from you. Men are not walking ATM's with robot arms, we are human beings. Not inferior women, either.

    If masculinity means being a shallow jerk who reduces a woman’s value to her physical appearance, then yes I hate it, but I don’t think that’s what it means.

    Your hindbrain knows what masculinity is, even as your forebrain hates it.

    Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God, evolution, etc. made them that way

    Lol @ your cartoon version of yourself. You continually whine about what ought to be.

    Again, whatever origin of humans you prefer, men are the way they are because that's how they were created / evolved / whatever. So you are in fact in rebellion against nature itself, or whatever god you may pretend to believe in.

    You’re strong ‘n independent! Don’t need no man!
     
    I’ve always found it strange that precisely those men who insist that women need men are the ones who most vociferously defend men’s rejection of the homely ones. How are they supposed to manage?!?

    Assortative mating, of course, the practice of humans for millennia. Your grandmother knew all about it. Too bad feminism has worked so long to destroy it.


    Just to add a little value, as shown in the IQ curve above where you flattered yourself in vain, men's attractors (things that attract them to women) also have a wider Var than women's. There are men who desire fat girls, men who desire skinny girls, men who desire short girls, men who desire tall girls, men who desire buxom girls, men who desire flat chested girls, and so forth and so on. It's visible in this thread, with some men saying that Mrs. Fredo is hawt! and others saying she's meh.

    There is always a man for the homely girl, as long as she can put all the YOUGOGIRL propaganda to one side. But there is not always a woman for the homely man. That's just nature at work, and it shows up in genetics as well as fiction: most women marry and even now bear children, there's always a notable cohort of men who do not.

    The same range of attraction is not true of women. Women in general (NAWALT!!!!!, ok, ok, calm down) want a man who is taller than they are, the same age or older. Just for a start, and the details all sort out. Thus it is no surprise that women's desires line up with Pareto, where 80% of the women want 20% of the men - because all those virtually identical attraction triggers are lining up the same way. Especially among younger women in the upper teens and 20's when Chad the Cad can easily charm his way through a whole herd of girls in part because they all are attracted to the same things. In part, not entirely of course.

    Really, your grandmother knew this, or maybe her mother knew this. Jane Austen knew it. So did Georgette Heyer. It's only in the last 50 or so years that a lot of pretty lies have been woven around the sexes, in order to cater to whims of women who want to pretend to be men -- but only for the "good parts", not for the "bad parts".

    How's it working out? How many women are on anti-anxiety meds now? More than ever before? Must be all that success!

    Thus it is no surprise that women’s desires line up with Pareto, where 80% of the women want 20% of the men – because all those virtually identical attraction triggers are lining up the same way.

    I don’t have time to address most of the garbage in your incoherent rant, but this is a blatant lie. As I have explained a billion times now, it is men who are all competing for the same women, not the other way around.

    In fact, this is very typical. If you want to get to the truth of the matter, look at what the manosphere says, and presume the opposite.


    As you can see from the graphs, men are more generous in their ratings, but very demanding in their messaging, and that is precisely because of the unpredictable, idiosyncratic nature of female attraction.

    • Replies: @anon
    As I have explained a billion times now, it is men who are all competing for the same women, not the other way around.

    I'm sure you have not explained anything 1,000,000,000 times. To anyone. Telling the truth is not a strong point of yours, but that's not news.

    As usual, you provide some image or other with zero reference or traceability, proving nothing.

    You're really not very good at this whole "logic" thing.
  176. @Rosie

    Actually not “all around.” Attractive women will definitely “accept” this, because it is to their advantage. This is how it works, and neither you nor I can change it.

    Sorry if you don’t like it. That just reveals where you stand in the competition.
     
    You are incorrect, Buzz. Plenty of attractive women swear off men because they get tired of being dehumanized by them.

    And as far as competition, one of the perks of being out here on the right tail of the bell curve is that the odds are ever in my favor, and it has been that way my entire adult life.

    https://external-preview.redd.it/ua5uPPa-cjqGRMIJ1Qfuz9aPlsKZFZMFjUwprMuyWeo.jpg?auto=webp&s=6f1a7a82c3e5999d8937a15913e428f2dcbc6613

    Plenty of attractive women swear off men because they get tired of being dehumanized by them.

    Normal, sexual women (that is redundant BTW) do not “swear off men.” Period.

    “Dehumanized?” LOL A healthy man’s lust for a healthy woman is dehumanizing? My dear, you would not exist if not for that lust. Far from dehumanizing, it creates humans.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Normal, sexual women (that is redundant BTW) do not “swear off men.” Period.
     
    Perhaps not, but they learn not to trust and/or depend on you. However pretty you are, there will always be someone prettier.
  177. @Buzz Mohawk

    Plenty of attractive women swear off men because they get tired of being dehumanized by them.
     
    Normal, sexual women (that is redundant BTW) do not "swear off men." Period.

    "Dehumanized?" LOL A healthy man's lust for a healthy woman is dehumanizing? My dear, you would not exist if not for that lust. Far from dehumanizing, it creates humans.

    Normal, sexual women (that is redundant BTW) do not “swear off men.” Period.

    Perhaps not, but they learn not to trust and/or depend on you. However pretty you are, there will always be someone prettier.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    > However pretty you are, there will always be someone prettier.

    How'd that work out for Paris of Troy? Most functioning adults know better. You want to be actually attracted to the woman, but beyond that, most men aren't concerned with finding the absolute hottest person there is.

    Replace "prettier" with "more successful", and you can easily say the same thing about men not trusting or depending on women: and similarly, most women aren't concerned with dating Elon Musk. Mating and courtship is a fundamentally objectifying game, no matter how you slice it. Good news? Outside of the Internet, most adults are relatively decent types who don't treat other human beings like chattel, and kind of like being around the opposite sex.

  178. @anon
    Men criticizing women: fine.
    Women criticizing men: not fine.


    Lol, project much?
    Your algorithm is the exact opposite:
    Time after time you hurl false accusations at men, all men, based on something that you took personally.


    Au contraire, it is you who reduce men to the status of meat robots totally controlled by their genetic programming.

    Lol, no, more projection from you. Men are not walking ATM's with robot arms, we are human beings. Not inferior women, either.

    If masculinity means being a shallow jerk who reduces a woman’s value to her physical appearance, then yes I hate it, but I don’t think that’s what it means.

    Your hindbrain knows what masculinity is, even as your forebrain hates it.

    Men are more visual, women more verbal because nature made them that way; God, evolution, etc. made them that way

    Lol @ your cartoon version of yourself. You continually whine about what ought to be.

    Again, whatever origin of humans you prefer, men are the way they are because that's how they were created / evolved / whatever. So you are in fact in rebellion against nature itself, or whatever god you may pretend to believe in.

    You’re strong ‘n independent! Don’t need no man!
     
    I’ve always found it strange that precisely those men who insist that women need men are the ones who most vociferously defend men’s rejection of the homely ones. How are they supposed to manage?!?

    Assortative mating, of course, the practice of humans for millennia. Your grandmother knew all about it. Too bad feminism has worked so long to destroy it.


    Just to add a little value, as shown in the IQ curve above where you flattered yourself in vain, men's attractors (things that attract them to women) also have a wider Var than women's. There are men who desire fat girls, men who desire skinny girls, men who desire short girls, men who desire tall girls, men who desire buxom girls, men who desire flat chested girls, and so forth and so on. It's visible in this thread, with some men saying that Mrs. Fredo is hawt! and others saying she's meh.

    There is always a man for the homely girl, as long as she can put all the YOUGOGIRL propaganda to one side. But there is not always a woman for the homely man. That's just nature at work, and it shows up in genetics as well as fiction: most women marry and even now bear children, there's always a notable cohort of men who do not.

    The same range of attraction is not true of women. Women in general (NAWALT!!!!!, ok, ok, calm down) want a man who is taller than they are, the same age or older. Just for a start, and the details all sort out. Thus it is no surprise that women's desires line up with Pareto, where 80% of the women want 20% of the men - because all those virtually identical attraction triggers are lining up the same way. Especially among younger women in the upper teens and 20's when Chad the Cad can easily charm his way through a whole herd of girls in part because they all are attracted to the same things. In part, not entirely of course.

    Really, your grandmother knew this, or maybe her mother knew this. Jane Austen knew it. So did Georgette Heyer. It's only in the last 50 or so years that a lot of pretty lies have been woven around the sexes, in order to cater to whims of women who want to pretend to be men -- but only for the "good parts", not for the "bad parts".

    How's it working out? How many women are on anti-anxiety meds now? More than ever before? Must be all that success!

    Again, whatever origin of humans you prefer, men are the way they are because that’s how they were created / evolved / whatever. So you are in fact in rebellion against nature itself, or whatever god you may pretend to believe in.

    It’s funny. I don’t remember hearing anyone around here ever use the naturalistic fallacy in defense of women.

    Lol @ your cartoon version of yourself. You continually whine about what ought to be.

    One cannot derive “is” from “ought” (the moralistic fallacy) any more than the reverse. That doesn’t mean one cannot have an opinion about what ought to be.

    Where are you when men around here go on about what women ought to be and do?

    Time after time you hurl false accusations at men, all men, based on something that you took personally.

    If I falsely accuse men of something, the appropriate response is for you to tell me why it is false and cite your evidence, not tell me I’m taking things personally, which is totally irrelevant to the question at hand. I may or may not be “taking things personally.” In either case, I am entitled to disagree with you, and your response betrays a desire to avoid and obfuscate the question by putting me on the couch.

  179. @Mehen
    There is no scientific test for the qualia of consciousness either. How would you measure the sensation of pain, or the emotions of love/hate?

    There is no need for direct measurement of qi (let’s call it that). What qi (id, prana, …) practitioners & their patients claim is healing through application of qi. According to them, qi is as yet unrecognized force- but operating in this, 3+1 dimensional universe, with effects clearly shown in other areas & in forms of energy, measured in Joules.

    There are various forms of energy (mechanical, chemical, electromagnetic, gravitational, …) & there is the law of conservation of energy.

    Patients claim that during qi healing sessions they feel physical changes in their diseased (swollen, wounded, ..) areas (heating, pressure, some currents, cooling, ..). These are physical changes that could, in principle, be measured by modern portable sensors measuring these physical variables (pressure in Pa, heat in J, temperature in °K, ..). There is no need to directly measure qi.

    And yet- nothing has been measured.

  180. @JMcG
    In my youth, part of my job was digging up faulted electric lines and repairing them. With a shovel and digging bar. Now, we had fairly unsophisticated analog detectors which would do a decent job in finding the damaged wire if used properly. Unfortunately, it was often my lot to be assigned to a crew whose leader thought he was more successful using a pair of wands fashioned from #4 copper wire. He would walk around with one in each fist, and when they crossed in response to some subtle variation in the EM field, he’d point to the spot where we should dig.
    After we’d get down four feet or so into soil which had clearly lain undisturbed since it had been glacially deposited, he’d try again. Dumb luck would have done better. It would have been hilarious had I not been paying in unnecessary labor. I’ve never been able to take dowsing seriously since.

    I’ve seen professional dowsers finding underground wells. Worked with 100% certainty.

  181. @danand
    https://flic.kr/p/2iU7pDg

    I think Cristina, and family, are fine. She simply quoted from a ROCKST★R energy drink label: "We want to neutralize heavy metals because they slow-up the electromagnetic frequency of our cells, which is our energy field, and we need a good flow of energy."

    The younger one has the Innsmouth look.

  182. She took quinine. I’ve been told by the press that quinine derivatives are more dangerous than assault weapons.

  183. @anon
    From the livescience article circa 2009 (ten year old study)

    What men want: Despite another recent study that found modern men are more interested in intelligent, educated women than in decades past, in the new study men tended to base their attractiveness ratings on women's physical features, giving stellar marks to those who looked thin and seductive.
     
    In this test, men rated highly slim women who look sexual. Yes, and Christian men prefer debt-free virgins with no tattoos.

    So? When I look around the real world, I see a lot of men who have obviously settled for overweight women, just for a start. There might be some flaws in this work.

    A number of possible errors are obvious, starting with experiment design. But tracking down a 10-year-old paper might be more trouble than it is worth. Lol, and people wonder how there could be a replication crisis in psychology.

    A number of possible errors are obvious, starting with experiment design. But tracking down a 10-year-old paper might be more trouble than it is worth.

    Riiiiight.

    Let’s just ignore any evidence we don’t like.

  184. UK says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    There is no correlation whatsoever between brains and beauty in women. None. The men here who imply that there is have never been intimate with hot women.

    In fact, if anything, attractive women tend to be smarter than the more ugly ones. It is again just a simple matter of genetic superiority.

    There is a correlation between looks and beauty and, as you sense, it is positive.

    Individual men may not see this because in their relationships they may sometimes give more priority to looks and sometimes more priority to intelligence and therefore see them as existing in tension, but they do not.

    Others may wish for them to exist in tension but correlates of biological fitness tend to go together. This is just how things are.

  185. @Anonymous
    Women care less about looks than height.

    BTW Cristina reminds me of a young Christian Bale.

    Every good looking 5-7” / 5-8” guy I’ve met does far better with women than guys that are 6-2 and ugly. Maybe at 5-5” or something a guy is just too short. Going by women’s revealed preferences:

    Status/power/wealth > looks > height

    For men:

    Youth and beauty > youth and beauty > youth and beauty.

    Men really are simpler.

  186. Anonymous[930] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Linda Ronstadt had a natural voice but almost no empathy for either the listener or the person to whom a love song was being ostensibly sung. Her best songs, before she trained as a Broadway singer in her 40s, were vaudevillian complaint songs (you’re no good, i’m no good, we are both liars) (look it up).
     
    You’re referring to her cokehead days.

    Before her cokehead days, she was a doll, and communicated with her audience just fine. In fact, she was wonderful:

    https://youtu.be/A0qm8nq8RcA

    Everyone, and I mean everyone, in showbiz who had money in the 70s and 80s went through a cocaine phase. Most outgrew it. A few tore themselves up pretty bad.

    Linda made a lot of money and was financially pretty white about it. She didn’t get the songwriter stream because she didn’t write, but she moved enough product and had good representation and got a good rate, and invested fairly well.

    She could have intimidated a house songwriter or two into giving her halfsies on credits and packed her albums with those songs, giving her guaranteed mailbox money, but musical integrity was more important to her.

    History will judge her by her work, and it stands up. I was never a buyer of her albums, but when she was on the radio I listened.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In her prime, Ronstadt had good taste and made good song and sidemen choices, like Sinatra in the 1950s, but unlike Elvis except in his Burning Love/Suspicious Minds comeback.
  187. @Anonymous
    Everyone, and I mean everyone, in showbiz who had money in the 70s and 80s went through a cocaine phase. Most outgrew it. A few tore themselves up pretty bad.

    Linda made a lot of money and was financially pretty white about it. She didn’t get the songwriter stream because she didn’t write, but she moved enough product and had good representation and got a good rate, and invested fairly well.

    She could have intimidated a house songwriter or two into giving her halfsies on credits and packed her albums with those songs, giving her guaranteed mailbox money, but musical integrity was more important to her.

    History will judge her by her work, and it stands up. I was never a buyer of her albums, but when she was on the radio I listened.

    In her prime, Ronstadt had good taste and made good song and sidemen choices, like Sinatra in the 1950s, but unlike Elvis except in his Burning Love/Suspicious Minds comeback.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I would find it difficult to call either Scotty Moore or James Burton a poor choice of sideman under any circumstances. But Elvis' song choices in his movie era and for some time before and after were those of Col. Tom, about whom much has been said here before.

    But let he who is without sin cast the first stone, as it were. Why was Elvis able and encouraged to make all those movies? He made 31 films as an actor, a couple actually good, a couple more at least watchable, all specifically intended as an "Elvis Vehicle". 31 minus 2 or 3 good, 2 arguably 3 more at least tolerable, throw in a couple more for benefit of the doubt, at least 23 of these major motion picture theatrical releases were utter, absolute dog rockets, basically porno stripped of all foul language and explicit or suggestive scenes. One of the guys who made one of these, Jerry Wald, spoofed the phenomenon by making a "Elvis Vehicle" with Marilyn Monroe instead of Elvis. (Elvis was there in effigy-he was imitated by Dick Dale, and a couple other guys.) Yet, every one of these cinematic dungheaps made money.

    If you buy garbage, you get garbage.

    Elvis was too nice, too decent, too trusting. The Col. had taken him from bleak poverty and given him what he naively thought was real wealth, real success. (Sinatra could have bought him out ten times over and there were guys who could have bought HIM out ten times over.) What Col. Tom said, went.

    Col. said fart, Elvis said how loud, how long and how smelly, sir!

    Linda could be a bitch, but she was no one's fool. She played a strong hand well and had a good career. Life dealt her a bad hand late in life, but she is comfortable and affluent and still gets around, it could be worse.

    It's going to be interesting who the late in life winners will be in the rock and roll circus. Someone has to be the Milton Berle ( in the career sense, not so much the big penis sense, but we already know those), the George Burns, the Walter Matthau, the Betty White, the Bea Arthur-the codgers and crones that will provide their cohort with some interesting times and be remembered as the oldsters rather than in their youth the way the stars dying young will be remembered. Dying young is a great career move, except you don't get to enjoy it. And the people who will are usually people who wouldn't have given you the time of day when you are alive. A good reason why copyright needs to end a lot sooner after people die.
  188. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    In her prime, Ronstadt had good taste and made good song and sidemen choices, like Sinatra in the 1950s, but unlike Elvis except in his Burning Love/Suspicious Minds comeback.

    I would find it difficult to call either Scotty Moore or James Burton a poor choice of sideman under any circumstances. But Elvis’ song choices in his movie era and for some time before and after were those of Col. Tom, about whom much has been said here before.

    But let he who is without sin cast the first stone, as it were. Why was Elvis able and encouraged to make all those movies? He made 31 films as an actor, a couple actually good, a couple more at least watchable, all specifically intended as an “Elvis Vehicle”. 31 minus 2 or 3 good, 2 arguably 3 more at least tolerable, throw in a couple more for benefit of the doubt, at least 23 of these major motion picture theatrical releases were utter, absolute dog rockets, basically porno stripped of all foul language and explicit or suggestive scenes. One of the guys who made one of these, Jerry Wald, spoofed the phenomenon by making a “Elvis Vehicle” with Marilyn Monroe instead of Elvis. (Elvis was there in effigy-he was imitated by Dick Dale, and a couple other guys.) Yet, every one of these cinematic dungheaps made money.

    If you buy garbage, you get garbage.

    Elvis was too nice, too decent, too trusting. The Col. had taken him from bleak poverty and given him what he naively thought was real wealth, real success. (Sinatra could have bought him out ten times over and there were guys who could have bought HIM out ten times over.) What Col. Tom said, went.

    Col. said fart, Elvis said how loud, how long and how smelly, sir!

    Linda could be a bitch, but she was no one’s fool. She played a strong hand well and had a good career. Life dealt her a bad hand late in life, but she is comfortable and affluent and still gets around, it could be worse.

    It’s going to be interesting who the late in life winners will be in the rock and roll circus. Someone has to be the Milton Berle ( in the career sense, not so much the big penis sense, but we already know those), the George Burns, the Walter Matthau, the Betty White, the Bea Arthur-the codgers and crones that will provide their cohort with some interesting times and be remembered as the oldsters rather than in their youth the way the stars dying young will be remembered. Dying young is a great career move, except you don’t get to enjoy it. And the people who will are usually people who wouldn’t have given you the time of day when you are alive. A good reason why copyright needs to end a lot sooner after people die.

  189. Yeah, there’s something about those short ladies with the great pipes:

    Linda Rondstadt – 5’2″
    Stevie Nix – 5’2″
    Judith Durham – 5’2″
    Julie London – 5’2″
    Helene Fischer – 5’2″
    Dolly Parton – 5’0″
    Brenda Lee – 4’9″

    Seems like a great time for a short set:

    Brenda Lee, “Johnny One Time”

    The Seekers, featuring Judith Durham, “I’ll Never Find Another You”

    Helene Fischer: “I was born in Siberia” / Russian songs /

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    Oh! Poor Steve Nicks; somehow I misspelled her name, but I'll take the opportunity to play an encore:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUhBc35T-e4

    Stevie Nicks - Rooms On Fire

  190. @Buffalo Joe
    Steve, A guy is lying on a hospital bed, wearing an oxygen mask, preliminary diagnosis...COVID-19. Nurse walks into the room. "How are you doing?" Guy says:"Are my testicles black?" Nurse says, "Pardon me?" Guys says, "I am really concerned, really worried. Can you please check and see if my testicles are black?" Nurse shrugs, "Sure, why not?" She pulls the sheet down pulls his gown up, pushes his manhood to one side, cradles his nuts in her hand and says..."Your testicles look fine to me." Guy pulls down the breathing mask and says..."I am going to say this slowly, one more time. Are my test results back?"

    …”I never thought that it would happen to me, but then with a distracted, faraway look in her eyes she said ‘Here, let me go ahead and get another sample for that fertility test…”

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  191. @Sparkon
    Yeah, there's something about those short ladies with the great pipes:

    Linda Rondstadt - 5'2"
    Stevie Nix - 5'2"
    Judith Durham - 5'2"
    Julie London - 5'2"
    Helene Fischer - 5'2"
    Dolly Parton - 5'0"
    Brenda Lee - 4'9"

    Seems like a great time for a short set:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye_Bh6QimJE

    Brenda Lee, "Johnny One Time"


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsgXbSUMzR4

    The Seekers, featuring Judith Durham, "I'll Never Find Another You"


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h-xqYMVpqA

    Helene Fischer: "I was born in Siberia" / Russian songs /

    Oh! Poor Steve Nicks; somehow I misspelled her name, but I’ll take the opportunity to play an encore:

    Stevie Nicks – Rooms On Fire

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Stevie is only 5'2" in tall boots: I think she's closer to 5' even actually. Christine McVie is also quite short, 5'2", and is every bit the singer Nicks is.

    Chrissie Hynde is 5'8", otoh. She is one of the great female rock singers by any definition, and her voice has held up a whole lot better than her looks. Fifty years of hard core veganism will do that.
  192. @Neil Templeton
    Beautiful, nevertheless. Because, not in spite of.

    Beautiful, nevertheless. Because, not in spite of.

    Charlotte has the kind of face that makes you feel sorry for the girl. Sometimes it’s pretty, sometimes not so much. But it’s always dangerous, because then they have their talons into you.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    And so is new life borne. Even if grandad smokes and drinks a bit much.
  193. @Rosie
    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists are out in pathologizing women in full force tonight.

    I see the crackpot armchair psychologists are out in pathologizing women in full force tonight.

    You’re not helping matters any. Kylie, Lagertha, and the other ladies here just shrug it off. Hence, they merit our respect.

    Don’t like stereotypes? Then don’t feed them.

  194. @Reg Cæsar

    Beautiful, nevertheless. Because, not in spite of.
     
    Charlotte has the kind of face that makes you feel sorry for the girl. Sometimes it's pretty, sometimes not so much. But it's always dangerous, because then they have their talons into you.

    And so is new life borne. Even if grandad smokes and drinks a bit much.

  195. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Emmy has the purest voice in any kind of popular music-so much that a lot of people who like her as a person can't stand to listen to her for extended periods of time, it's like putting a speaker on an HP 200 lunchbox oscillator. She is not someone who "grew up with" country music, she came from the folk music scene but was just young enough there were no more likely careers for "folk" singers plus, she'd hooked up with Gram Parsons by then. She admits that basically growing up she considered country music hokey. Although a member of the Opry now, she still doesn't think of herself as a "country" singer so much: indeed, her best work in twenty years was the album and tour she did with Mark Knopfler a while ago.

    She was a military brat but also a straight A high school student who was valedictorian of her class. Another interesting tidbit, she played Max's Kansas City in New York several times and evidently got in a little tiff (some say, a catfight ) with a waitress and former folk rock band member there and the two women still do not get along fifty years down the road.

    An opposite phenomenon is folkie Iris DeMent.

    She sounds like a gear up landing.

    Because of that and because of her being a former fundamentalist who is not so fundie any more, and maybe just because her name is “DeMent”, she produces DeMent Derangement Syndrome. She has been denounced as Antichrist by preachers and people have smashed her records, even shot and stomped radios playing her (which is not many, no one but noncommercial stations would). Otherwise mostly sane people go nuts at the sound of her singing.

    Iris DeMent (born January 5, 1961) is a shameful American singer and songwriter. DeMent supports the feminist agenda through her music. DeMent’s musical style encompasses the genres country, Gospel, and folk music. Iris was three years old when the family moved from Paragould, Arkansas to Orange County, California, where as a teen she discovered she was in conflict with much of what was being taught in church and left. At 17 she quit high school, got a GED and went to work at K-Mart. DeMent married Elmer McCall in 1991, but the marriage subsequently ended in divorce. She married singer-songwriter Greg Brown on November 21, 2002.

    Iris DeMent’s is featured in Steven Spielberg’s movie TRUE GRIT at the end, singing the Gospel hymn, On The Everlasting Arms. Anytime Hollywood features someone’s Gospel singing, you can rest assure that something is very wrong spiritually in that singer’s life. Hollywood rewards the wicked and will not promote anyone who truly loves God.

    Iris DeMent sings one of the most evil songs ever written (see lyrics below), more vile than ACDC’s HIGHWAY TO HELL or BACK IN BLACK. I have more respect for open Satan worshippers, than I do for anyone who promotes and glorifies hatred and unforgiveness through their music. DeMent may not have written the song, but she has popularized it. Feminists love DeMent’s hateful song. DeMent sings the heathen song, GOD MAY FORGIVE YOU (BUT I WON’T). That’s too bad for Iris DeMent and every self-righteous hypocritical woman like her that follows her advice in the song, because the Bible teaches that God won’t forgive those who refuse to forgive. Matthew 18:35, “So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.”

    Songwriters: Harlan Howard-Bobby Braddock

    You say that you’re born again
    cleansed of your former sins
    You want me to say “I forgive and forget”
    But you’ve done too much to me
    Don’t you be touching me,
    go back and touch all those women you’ve met

    https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/CCM/iris_dement.htm

    The pure and the tortuous:

  196. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon
    Oh! Poor Steve Nicks; somehow I misspelled her name, but I'll take the opportunity to play an encore:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUhBc35T-e4

    Stevie Nicks - Rooms On Fire

    Stevie is only 5’2″ in tall boots: I think she’s closer to 5′ even actually. Christine McVie is also quite short, 5’2″, and is every bit the singer Nicks is.

    Chrissie Hynde is 5’8″, otoh. She is one of the great female rock singers by any definition, and her voice has held up a whole lot better than her looks. Fifty years of hard core veganism will do that.

  197. @Rosie

    Normal, sexual women (that is redundant BTW) do not “swear off men.” Period.
     
    Perhaps not, but they learn not to trust and/or depend on you. However pretty you are, there will always be someone prettier.

    > However pretty you are, there will always be someone prettier.

    How’d that work out for Paris of Troy? Most functioning adults know better. You want to be actually attracted to the woman, but beyond that, most men aren’t concerned with finding the absolute hottest person there is.

    Replace “prettier” with “more successful”, and you can easily say the same thing about men not trusting or depending on women: and similarly, most women aren’t concerned with dating Elon Musk. Mating and courtship is a fundamentally objectifying game, no matter how you slice it. Good news? Outside of the Internet, most adults are relatively decent types who don’t treat other human beings like chattel, and kind of like being around the opposite sex.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Mating and courtship is a fundamentally objectifying game, no matter how you slice it.
     
    No, it really isn't, not on women's part, anyway.

    You have to be honest and acknowledge that, from a woman's point of view, the single most important thing is the marital bond that protects her from abandonment. It doesn't matter how successful your mate is if you can't trust him to still be there in 10 years time.

    As I have said before, if a man is basing his choice of mate primarily on physical appearance, he'd better not let his dates know that. If you're on an interview, and the prospect asks why you are interested in the job, would you day. "The money!"? That's exactly how women see men who care about nothing but their looks.

    This person is advertising clearly that he doesn't want to be friends with you and considers you a sexual amenity.
  198. @ScarletNumber
    I used to teach middle school. If I wanted I could write an anthropological study of what I saw there. It was scary watching the students interact with each other. As for the girls, some of them were stunningly pretty. Some of them had their heads firmly on their shoulders and didn't take advantage of the situation, while others were blatantly manipulative. And heaven help you if you stood in the way of a pretty girl and what she wanted. It was amusing when you saw a second-tier girl try to act like a top-tier girl as well.

    As for a connection to this blog one of the girl's fathers has been mentioned in this blog by Steve. The girl was top tier but she had a firm head on her shoulders, probably from having a well-renowned father. The parents were divorced but he was an active part of her life, and the family had an au pair.

    Not being conventionally attractive also can impact a woman’s personality, both for good and ill. It’s pretty difficult to be ugly in a world that is biologically hard-wired to value you first and foremost on your body. Sometimes, this builds mental resilience, or a desire to focus on other skills, or genuine empathy and kindness. Other times, it builds bitterness, paranoia, neediness, or manipulative skills: not to mention a big victim target for predatory men.

    (Source: currently involved with a woman who has a lot of strikes against her in the conventional attractiveness department, especially in the context of her native society. I’m not Adonis, but I am moderately above-average when I bother to take care of myself, so I suppose I’ve really seen both the good and the bad of this dynamic.)

    >And heaven help you if you stood in the way of a pretty girl and what she wanted.

    I’ve noticed that the upper-middle class tier chicks-the ones who aren’t the absolute prettiest but are reasonably good looking-are the ones who get very, very annoyed when a man seemingly doesn’t take an interest in her (I’ve had this happen to me back when I had no social skills or ability to read subtle signals at all), doubly so when he’s with a woman visibly less attractive than him. They can be very cruel to the woman. The absolute bombshells tend to be relatively indifferent: surprised, perhaps, if the man is a lot more attractive than the woman, but not malicious, and some will be genuinely happy for the other woman.

    (They also seem to get annoyed when guys below their level take an interest in them… and also annoyed when guys below their level ignore them. Low status guys: they are the ones who really can’t win, no matter what they try.)

  199. @nebulafox
    > However pretty you are, there will always be someone prettier.

    How'd that work out for Paris of Troy? Most functioning adults know better. You want to be actually attracted to the woman, but beyond that, most men aren't concerned with finding the absolute hottest person there is.

    Replace "prettier" with "more successful", and you can easily say the same thing about men not trusting or depending on women: and similarly, most women aren't concerned with dating Elon Musk. Mating and courtship is a fundamentally objectifying game, no matter how you slice it. Good news? Outside of the Internet, most adults are relatively decent types who don't treat other human beings like chattel, and kind of like being around the opposite sex.

    Mating and courtship is a fundamentally objectifying game, no matter how you slice it.

    No, it really isn’t, not on women’s part, anyway.

    You have to be honest and acknowledge that, from a woman’s point of view, the single most important thing is the marital bond that protects her from abandonment. It doesn’t matter how successful your mate is if you can’t trust him to still be there in 10 years time.

    As I have said before, if a man is basing his choice of mate primarily on physical appearance, he’d better not let his dates know that. If you’re on an interview, and the prospect asks why you are interested in the job, would you day. “The money!”? That’s exactly how women see men who care about nothing but their looks.

    This person is advertising clearly that he doesn’t want to be friends with you and considers you a sexual amenity.

    • Replies: @anon
    No, it really isn’t, not on women’s part, anyway.

    Women want success objects.

    You have to be honest and acknowledge that, from a woman’s point of view, the single most important thing is the marital bond that protects her from abandonment.

    Is that why in the US women file 70% of divorces, because they fear abandonment? Your solipsism is showing.


    It doesn’t matter how successful your mate is if you can’t trust him to still be there in 10 years time.


    Sure it does, because a successful man will provide bigger ca$h and prizes when he's divorced in 10 years with decades of child support to look forward to.

    As I have said before, if a man is basing his choice of mate primarily on physical appearance, he’d better not let his dates know that.

    Lol, again with the feminist rebellion against biology. You're like a female version of the noodle-armed hipster who whines about how girls always want to be with the "assholes".

    Many of the common attributes of beauty in women tie to reproductive fitness, starting with symmetric features, the proper waist / hip ratio of about 0.7, pretty long hair, etc.

    If you’re on an interview, and the prospect asks why you are interested in the job, would you day. “The money!”? That’s exactly how women see men who care about nothing but their looks.

    Your bitterness is really sad. Many pretty girls enjoy being pretty, and have no problem with men enjoying the way they look. It's part of the natural polarity between women and men, polarity that bitter feminists like you have attempted to sabotage for 50 years.

    This person is advertising clearly that he doesn’t want to be friends with you and considers you a sexual amenity.

    You're an emotionally stunted person in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit who has hatred and envy for men and other women. It's sad.

    Out in the real world, away from comboxes, young men and young women are trying to figure out what's left behind now that bile-filled feminists like you have been sabotaging relations between the sexes for a couple of generations. It's difficult for them since a lot of their parents are divorced, courtesy of feminism, but some are finding their way despite the ugly efforts of feminists like you.
  200. anon[634] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Thus it is no surprise that women’s desires line up with Pareto, where 80% of the women want 20% of the men – because all those virtually identical attraction triggers are lining up the same way.
     
    I don't have time to address most of the garbage in your incoherent rant, but this is a blatant lie. As I have explained a billion times now, it is men who are all competing for the same women, not the other way around.

    In fact, this is very typical. If you want to get to the truth of the matter, look at what the manosphere says, and presume the opposite.


    https://i.redd.it/2rzvpb3jhag11.jpg

    As you can see from the graphs, men are more generous in their ratings, but very demanding in their messaging, and that is precisely because of the unpredictable, idiosyncratic nature of female attraction.

    As I have explained a billion times now, it is men who are all competing for the same women, not the other way around.

    I’m sure you have not explained anything 1,000,000,000 times. To anyone. Telling the truth is not a strong point of yours, but that’s not news.

    As usual, you provide some image or other with zero reference or traceability, proving nothing.

    You’re really not very good at this whole “logic” thing.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    As usual, you provide some image or other with zero reference or traceability, proving nothing.
     
    This is in fact the data from the now-infamous OKCupid study mendaciously cited to prove "female hypergamy."

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/
  201. anon[634] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Mating and courtship is a fundamentally objectifying game, no matter how you slice it.
     
    No, it really isn't, not on women's part, anyway.

    You have to be honest and acknowledge that, from a woman's point of view, the single most important thing is the marital bond that protects her from abandonment. It doesn't matter how successful your mate is if you can't trust him to still be there in 10 years time.

    As I have said before, if a man is basing his choice of mate primarily on physical appearance, he'd better not let his dates know that. If you're on an interview, and the prospect asks why you are interested in the job, would you day. "The money!"? That's exactly how women see men who care about nothing but their looks.

    This person is advertising clearly that he doesn't want to be friends with you and considers you a sexual amenity.

    No, it really isn’t, not on women’s part, anyway.

    Women want success objects.

    You have to be honest and acknowledge that, from a woman’s point of view, the single most important thing is the marital bond that protects her from abandonment.

    Is that why in the US women file 70% of divorces, because they fear abandonment? Your solipsism is showing.


    It doesn’t matter how successful your mate is if you can’t trust him to still be there in 10 years time.

    Sure it does, because a successful man will provide bigger ca$h and prizes when he’s divorced in 10 years with decades of child support to look forward to.

    As I have said before, if a man is basing his choice of mate primarily on physical appearance, he’d better not let his dates know that.

    Lol, again with the feminist rebellion against biology. You’re like a female version of the noodle-armed hipster who whines about how girls always want to be with the “assholes”.

    Many of the common attributes of beauty in women tie to reproductive fitness, starting with symmetric features, the proper waist / hip ratio of about 0.7, pretty long hair, etc.

    If you’re on an interview, and the prospect asks why you are interested in the job, would you day. “The money!”? That’s exactly how women see men who care about nothing but their looks.

    Your bitterness is really sad. Many pretty girls enjoy being pretty, and have no problem with men enjoying the way they look. It’s part of the natural polarity between women and men, polarity that bitter feminists like you have attempted to sabotage for 50 years.

    This person is advertising clearly that he doesn’t want to be friends with you and considers you a sexual amenity.

    You’re an emotionally stunted person in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit who has hatred and envy for men and other women. It’s sad.

    Out in the real world, away from comboxes, young men and young women are trying to figure out what’s left behind now that bile-filled feminists like you have been sabotaging relations between the sexes for a couple of generations. It’s difficult for them since a lot of their parents are divorced, courtesy of feminism, but some are finding their way despite the ugly efforts of feminists like you.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    You are a deranged hysteric.

    Is that why in the US women file 70% of divorces,
     
    No, they file for divorce because they have already been abandoned. I assume you believe men are justified in leaving a sexless marriage. We feel the same about loveless marriages.

    Many of the common attributes of beauty in women tie to reproductive fitness, starting with symmetric features, the proper waist / hip ratio of about 0.7, pretty long hair, etc.
     
    So what? I assume the same is true of men, and my advice to women is the same as my advice to men: choose substance over form.

    It’s part of the natural polarity between women and men, polarity that bitter feminists like you have attempted to sabotage for 50 years.
     
    All this talk of polarity is really tiresome. It is inevitably used as a cover for failing to do unto others as you would have done to you. (Women are completely different from us. They like being objectified and dehumanized!)
  202. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s interesting is that the highest IQ women, the ones with the most innate ability in math and science, are almost always in the middle of the beauty distribution.

    They’re almost always born with plain faces, but then use their IQs and willpower to remain thin and stay away from trashy tattoos/piercings. Same goes for the men.

    The lowest IQ women and men are also the ugliest because they have the combination of obesity, alcohol abuse, tattoos and piercings.

    The most attractive men and women tend to have middling IQs. Smart enough to avoid obesity, alcoholism, and 847 tattoos and piercings, but still dumb enough to value gym workouts, makeup, hair, and fashion over doing Riemann equations.

  203. @R.G. Camara
    Natural cannot be defeated.

    A woman's pride is her grandchildren.

    What percentage of women today and in the near future are going to have children, let alone granchildren.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    What percentage of women today and in the near future are going to have children, let alone granchildren.
     
    The overwhelming majority. Childlessness peaked at 20% and is now down to 15%. I suspect that's not far off from the historical average. The difference is that married couples are no longer picking up the slack for spinster and old bachelors, given the availability of birth control.

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/05/07/childlessness/
  204. @anon
    No, it really isn’t, not on women’s part, anyway.

    Women want success objects.

    You have to be honest and acknowledge that, from a woman’s point of view, the single most important thing is the marital bond that protects her from abandonment.

    Is that why in the US women file 70% of divorces, because they fear abandonment? Your solipsism is showing.


    It doesn’t matter how successful your mate is if you can’t trust him to still be there in 10 years time.


    Sure it does, because a successful man will provide bigger ca$h and prizes when he's divorced in 10 years with decades of child support to look forward to.

    As I have said before, if a man is basing his choice of mate primarily on physical appearance, he’d better not let his dates know that.

    Lol, again with the feminist rebellion against biology. You're like a female version of the noodle-armed hipster who whines about how girls always want to be with the "assholes".

    Many of the common attributes of beauty in women tie to reproductive fitness, starting with symmetric features, the proper waist / hip ratio of about 0.7, pretty long hair, etc.

    If you’re on an interview, and the prospect asks why you are interested in the job, would you day. “The money!”? That’s exactly how women see men who care about nothing but their looks.

    Your bitterness is really sad. Many pretty girls enjoy being pretty, and have no problem with men enjoying the way they look. It's part of the natural polarity between women and men, polarity that bitter feminists like you have attempted to sabotage for 50 years.

    This person is advertising clearly that he doesn’t want to be friends with you and considers you a sexual amenity.

    You're an emotionally stunted person in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit who has hatred and envy for men and other women. It's sad.

    Out in the real world, away from comboxes, young men and young women are trying to figure out what's left behind now that bile-filled feminists like you have been sabotaging relations between the sexes for a couple of generations. It's difficult for them since a lot of their parents are divorced, courtesy of feminism, but some are finding their way despite the ugly efforts of feminists like you.

    You are a deranged hysteric.

    Is that why in the US women file 70% of divorces,

    No, they file for divorce because they have already been abandoned. I assume you believe men are justified in leaving a sexless marriage. We feel the same about loveless marriages.

    Many of the common attributes of beauty in women tie to reproductive fitness, starting with symmetric features, the proper waist / hip ratio of about 0.7, pretty long hair, etc.

    So what? I assume the same is true of men, and my advice to women is the same as my advice to men: choose substance over form.

    It’s part of the natural polarity between women and men, polarity that bitter feminists like you have attempted to sabotage for 50 years.

    All this talk of polarity is really tiresome. It is inevitably used as a cover for failing to do unto others as you would have done to you. (Women are completely different from us. They like being objectified and dehumanized!)

  205. @MBlanc46
    What percentage of women today and in the near future are going to have children, let alone granchildren.

    What percentage of women today and in the near future are going to have children, let alone granchildren.

    The overwhelming majority. Childlessness peaked at 20% and is now down to 15%. I suspect that’s not far off from the historical average. The difference is that married couples are no longer picking up the slack for spinster and old bachelors, given the availability of birth control.

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2015/05/07/childlessness/

  206. @anon
    As I have explained a billion times now, it is men who are all competing for the same women, not the other way around.

    I'm sure you have not explained anything 1,000,000,000 times. To anyone. Telling the truth is not a strong point of yours, but that's not news.

    As usual, you provide some image or other with zero reference or traceability, proving nothing.

    You're really not very good at this whole "logic" thing.

    As usual, you provide some image or other with zero reference or traceability, proving nothing.

    This is in fact the data from the now-infamous OKCupid study mendaciously cited to prove “female hypergamy.”

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

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