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From The Independent (UK):

Home Office had information on Rotherham grooming gangs in 2002 but failed to act, review finds

‘How many lives could have been protected if swift action had been taken a decade before the Jay report?’ MP asks

Lizzie Dearden Home Affairs Correspondent
11 hours ago

The government received information detailing the extent of grooming gang activity in Rotherham as far back as 2002 but failed to properly act on it, a review has found.

The National Crime Agency’s ongoing investigation has revealed that more than 1,500 girls and young women may have been abused in the Yorkshire town between 1997 and 2013.

A report by Alexis Jay exposed “blatant” failures by police and the Labour-run local council, where officials feared racism accusations at the time.

The independent inquiry said an unpublished Home Office research report from 2002 described the extent of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham and a series of criticisms over the response “that should have raised concern”.

But a large-scale inquiry was not launched until after a Times report on the scale of grooming provoked a national scandal a decade later. …

Actually, it took a dozen years, until 2014, for Rotherham to surface in the press. There had plenty of evidence of a general pattern in English cities before the Rotherham report came out. I’d written about the pervasive disgrace in 2013.

Sarah Champion, the Labour MP for Rotherham, said it was “clear that the Home Office knew about child sexual exploitation in Rotherham from 2002”.

“Why, when so many in authority knew the scale and severity of this crime, did it take until 2014, with the publication of the Jay report, for a large-scale investigation to occur?” she asked. “How many lives could have been protected if swift action had been taken a decade before?”

Of course, it’s taken 4 years for this inquiry to accomplish anything. It’s almost as if the British Establishment isn’t really all that interested in the widespread problem of Pakistani pimps exploiting underage English girls and would prefer if everybody just forgot about it.

 
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  1. The British government was too busy lecturing foreign governments on gay rights, to have time to deal with the Rotherham crimes.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @EiriktheRed

    The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which "accidentally" killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon

    , @Anonymous
    @EiriktheRed

    Here is how the multi-millionairesss Margaret Hodge became "Minister for Children" for Labor - basically by pimping out children in "council care" to favored patrons. Islington is the famous as the home turf of the hard Left in London.


    In 1985, Demetrios Panton wrote to Islington Council to complain about abuse suffered while in Council care during the 1970s and 1980s. Panton received an official response in 1989 [FOUR YEARS LATER], in which the Council denied all responsibility.[20]

    In 1990, ... a senior social worker ... raised concerns about sexual abuse of children under the care of Islington Council. Correspondence between Hodge and the then Director of Social Work indicates that Hodge declined a request for extra investigative resources.[21]

    In 1992, the Evening Standard resumed reporting allegations of abuse in Islington Care Homes. Its initial report was slated by Hodge as a "sensationalist piece of gutter journalism", ...

    In 2003, following Hodge's appointment as Minister for Children, Panton went public with his allegations ...
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hodge
  2. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Also, you must factor in that the Labour Party is increasingly dependent on the Pakistani vote for electoral power.
    Doubtless, on the ground, a myriad Pakistani local councillors and other small time political operators were ‘greasing the wheels’.
    Pakistan style blatant bribery – with cash or sexual favors – of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/labour-aims-to-boost-number-of-bame-and-women-councillors

    (BAME = Black, Asian, and Minority Ethnic)


    Labour is set to bring in sweeping changes to give minority ethnic councillors and women reserved seats in local elections in a move that could radically diversify the party but also cause suspicions that the changes might be used to de-select sitting councillors.

    The party’s democracy review will recommended that the party compile a legal case to justify BAME and disabled reserved seats in multi-member council wards, the Guardian understands.

    It will also propose that the party campaigns for a change in the law to allow all-BAME shortlists for parliamentary seats, which are not permitted under current legislation. Critics, however, are likely to raise alarm that the changes could eventually be used to remove sitting councillors by reserving their seats when they come up for re-selection.
     

    Purge of the white men.
    , @Sunbeam
    @Anonymous

    "Pakistan style blatant bribery – with cash or sexual favors – of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out."

    It may be a tinfoil hat kind of thing, but I have to wonder if the sexual favors were supplied extensively up the food chain - far up the food chain.

    And not just young girls, but young boys as well. The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.

    If they aren't going to be going about the business of producing useful scientists and mathematicians as in former eras, such as Russell and the like...

    Well they are so much dead weight now, aren't they? Once upon a time the Brit upper class had Balls from Hell. This current lot is utterly useless.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  3. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    …but..but…think of the soccer.

    Or in this case the curries.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Anonymous

    If not comment of the day, at least humorous comment of the day.

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Anonymous


    …but..but…think of the soccer.

    Or in this case the curries.
     
    Or, as Douglas Murray put it, diversity has given us more beheadings and honour killings ... but on the other hand it has provided a wider range of cuisine.
  4. In January 2004, BNP leader Nick Griffin addressed a meeting in West Yorkshire as follows. A BBC operative was in attendance recording it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov/03/ukcrime.thefarright

    “Speaking of attacks on young white girls, the court was told that Mr Griffin said: “The bastards that are in that gang, they are in prison so the public think it’s all over. Well, it’s not. Because there’s more of them. The police force and elected governors haven’t done a damn thing about it.”

    The BNPs Mark Collett said

    “If the local papers saw what I was saying tonight, they would call me, and they would call you, racists. But the racism is against whites. When these Asians go out looking for a victim, they don’t go looking for Asian victims.

    “They don’t go mugging Asian grandmas, they don’t go stabbing each other, they don’t go trying to solicit sex off little Pritesh or little Sanjita, they go straight to the whites because they are trying to destroy us and they are the racists.

    This was presented in evidence at their 2006 trial for “inciting racial hatred”.

    In May 2004 Channel 4, that iconoclastic and fearless broadcaster, pulled a documentary on grooming in Bradford after West Yorkshire Police said it would “inflame racial tensions”. At the time the BNP were polling well and IIRC got a couple of Euro-MPs via proportional representation.

    “The police are understood to have been worried about the timing of the documentary in the run-up to next month’s local and European elections, particularly with British National Party candidates campaigning in Bradford.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1

    Political police? No sirree! We don’t have those!

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Problem is that there is no upside involving speaking out against rape gangs. White women hate white men who oppose them. Politicians don't want to turn off potential voters or be called racists. "Journalists" view people who oppose rape gangs as the enemy. It is far safer and much more honored to turn a blind eye to them. No-one has ever, to my knowledge, hurt his or her career by ignoring Muslim rape and molestation gangs.

  5. I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.

    Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.

    Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I’ve seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.

    Here’s some data (below).

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

    Some more data.

    There are other figures published by the government on those found guilty of offences against children, but these aren’t as recent. Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

    But these figures don’t tell us everything about sexual offences committed against children. For example, if someone is found guilty of raping a child under the age of 16, this will appear in the figures under ‘rape’ rather than ‘sexual activity with a minor’.

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don't create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions - American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie

    , @Peter Frost
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014."

    Only 31% of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection files have information on the suspect's race, and only a minority of the Children's Commissioner for England files have any information at all on the suspect (Cockbain 2013).

    In the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham, there are repeatedly statements to the effect that information on race or ethnicity was deliberately omitted:

    "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so." (Jay, 2014, p. 2)

    "[...] there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as 'racist'." (Jay, 2014, p. 91)

    "Those who had involvement in CSE were acutely aware of these [ethnic] issues and recalled a general nervousness in the earlier years about discussing them, for fear of being thought racist." (Jay, 2014, p. 93)

    References

    Cockbain, E. (2013). Grooming and the 'Asian sex gang predator': the construction of a racial crime threat, Race & Class, 54, 22-32.

    Jay, A. (2014). Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham 1997-2013
    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.
     
    UK demographics:


    White (20o1): 92.12%

    White (2011):87.17%

    White percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings:36%


    Asian (2001):4.39%

    Asian (2011):6.92%


    Asian percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 27%


    Black (2001):1.95%

    Black (2011):3.01%


    Black percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 16%

    Disproportionate......



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity
    , @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.
     
    So, the Brits are doing their best to not prosecute Blacks and Asians (Britspeak for South Asians) for rape.....


    I mean, you did read this, right?


    A report by Alexis Jay exposed “blatant” failures by police and the Labour-run local council, where officials feared racism accusations at the time.
     
    , @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Incidentally, Johnny, what is your background?Have you declared it previously? I've always assumed that it's non-European.

    , @MBlanc46
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Leave it to Johnny Walker to leap to the the defense of Paki child rapists and pimps. Sad.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  6. @EiriktheRed
    The British government was too busy lecturing foreign governments on gay rights, to have time to deal with the Rotherham crimes.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous

    The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which “accidentally” killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super “empathetic, “guilty,” “high-minded,” and eager to punish “racists.” It’s odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn’t Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn’t punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    The problem with Whites isn’t that they’re unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they’re being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Here's the fate of his "former British PM Adam Lang now on trial for war crimes" (Tony Blair) character that the writer Robert Harris envisioned/hoped for in the movie version of his novel "The Ghost":

    https://youtu.be/79tBbaqvbjM

    (For those who didn't see the movie or read the novel - I did both - the movie's sniper is the father of a recently-killed young British soldier in Iraq, intent on avenging his son's pointless death.)

    , @Mr. Rational
    @JohnnyWalker123


    The problem is that they’re being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched.
     
    Kind of like sublimating tribal feelings onto feetsball and blacksketball teams, no?  Direct them anywhere BUT protecting and promoting their own.
    , @Brutusale
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Good to see the Brits cook the crime books just like we do in the good ol' US!

    Regards,
    George Zimmerman
    White Hispanic

    , @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
     

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super “empathetic, “guilty,” “high-minded,” and eager to punish “racists.” It’s odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
     

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn’t Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn’t punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
     
    Dear fellow, if you read Steve's blog, you know the reason why: Invade the world, invite the world.

    Bush II invaded countries and allowed the USA to be invaded by aliens.He's OK.

    Tony Blair invaded countries and allowed the UK to be invaded by aliens.He's OK.


    Trump (so far) hasn't invaded anybody and is working to prevent aliens from invading the USA.He's a doubleplusungood crimethinker.
    , @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Omar Bashir of Sudan , and the various rulers of Nigeria , Indonesia , Turki , Pakistan etc have all gotten away with killing millions , as have many others. Its not very surprising that Tony Blair should get away with his misdeeds as well.

  7. But Failed to Act

    Perhaps that’s because it was just some guys from Oxford — many of whom will now be subject to deportation — “which is weird if you think about it”.

  8. The Home Office is full of Pakistanis and Africans, they spend all day issuing passports in return for cash payments

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @jim jones

    Yeah, well here in Canada the Minister of Immigration is a Somali gentleman by the name of Ahmed Hussen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Hussen

    I think it's great!

  9. I think I saw it on the BNP website in 2003, maybe 2004. And it had been going on at least a couple decades by then. I remember thinking “Surely if this were true the mainstream media would cover it?!” – Of course I now know the reality is exactly the reverse. They even blamed the BNP’s coverage for refusing to report it themselves.

    Of course this kind of news suppression is no worse than what happens in the USA or other countries, but our respectable print media always gave the impression of being much more varied and independent, with much more variety of political stances. Eventually I realised that the journalists working in the right wing print media were actually the same lefties working in the left wing print media; only some of the columnists were right wing and they could only publish what the editor allowed.

  10. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Also, you must factor in that the Labour Party is increasingly dependent on the Pakistani vote for electoral power.
    Doubtless, on the ground, a myriad Pakistani local councillors and other small time political operators were 'greasing the wheels'.
    Pakistan style blatant bribery - with cash or sexual favors - of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sunbeam

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/labour-aims-to-boost-number-of-bame-and-women-councillors

    (BAME = Black, Asian, and Minority Ethnic)

    Labour is set to bring in sweeping changes to give minority ethnic councillors and women reserved seats in local elections in a move that could radically diversify the party but also cause suspicions that the changes might be used to de-select sitting councillors.

    The party’s democracy review will recommended that the party compile a legal case to justify BAME and disabled reserved seats in multi-member council wards, the Guardian understands.

    It will also propose that the party campaigns for a change in the law to allow all-BAME shortlists for parliamentary seats, which are not permitted under current legislation. Critics, however, are likely to raise alarm that the changes could eventually be used to remove sitting councillors by reserving their seats when they come up for re-selection.

    Purge of the white men.

  11. @JohnnyWalker123
    @EiriktheRed

    The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which "accidentally" killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon

    Here’s the fate of his “former British PM Adam Lang now on trial for war crimes” (Tony Blair) character that the writer Robert Harris envisioned/hoped for in the movie version of his novel “The Ghost”:

    (For those who didn’t see the movie or read the novel – I did both – the movie’s sniper is the father of a recently-killed young British soldier in Iraq, intent on avenging his son’s pointless death.)

  12. The UK’s WASP Elites despise their non-fashionable whites at least as much as do America’s WASP Elites. To WASP Elites, non-wealthy, non-connected whites are rednecks, white trash, who are expected to be unheard and almost unseen while they live to serve the WASP Elites, and the chosen allies of the WASP Elites, as cannon fodder and tax slaves, as well as canaries in the mines.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jake

    Jake, tell us how you really feel.

  13. …. and yet our managerial “elite” screams and calls us vicious names if we doubt their word. I don’t think this is just a case of “political correctness gone mad’; this fits the larger pattern. The Pakistani rape gang scandals are to British policing what the Iraq War and Afghan quagmire are to foreign policy making. Bad decisions are made, glaringly wrong policies continue to be carried out and it just rolls on and on.

  14. Women’s Studies programs in our colleges and universities should be dumped everywhere. They are the ones who should have been on top of this situation from the beginning, but they have been quiet. More generally, they are the ones who should be the fiercest opponents of open borders, simply because of what that will mean to the most vulnerable of women in the West, but they are silent. They need to go.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @John Pepple

    They aren't just quiet; they set the parameters of what women ought to protest, which means they've been much worse than useless.

    , @Rosie
    @John Pepple


    They need to go.
     
    Either that, or start representing women's best interests.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @John Pepple

    In the UK, Women's Studies isn't quite extinct, but there are few courses left and all but one are postgraduate. It was probably killed by a combination of student loans, poor job prospects and low graduate wages - in the post-Thatcher years, women somehow didn't fancy putting "BA Women's Studies" on the CV.

    However, the ideology remains influential, with the refinement that only white men are the enemy.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/womens-studies-are-alive-and-well-810050.html

  15. @jim jones
    The Home Office is full of Pakistanis and Africans, they spend all day issuing passports in return for cash payments

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Yeah, well here in Canada the Minister of Immigration is a Somali gentleman by the name of Ahmed Hussen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Hussen

    I think it’s great!

  16. Rotherham Muslim Rape Gang Sponsored By Evil UK Ruling Class

    The New York Times printed an opinion piece that suggested that Pakistani Muslim men were raping and brutalizing English girls because they were “isolated.”

    The evil ruling class of England is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack the English people.

    Mass immigration brings Islamic Terrorism to England.

    Mass immigration brings Muslim Rape Gangs to England.

    The answer to mass immigration is mass deportation.

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Replies: @Jay Ritchie
    @Charles Pewitt

    The New York times piece is far better than you allow for. I've read a fair amount by Sarfraz Mansoor (an excellent writer - Greeting From Bury Park is well worth reading) but don't think he's written so clearly on this subject in the British press.

  17. The British class system. The girls were viewed as prole trash thus expendable. Plus fears of being called racist if they investigated Paki grooming gangs. It was not worth jeopardizing pay and promotions.

    All in all pathetic and how to kill a nation and a race.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Clyde

    Plus fears of being voted out of office by friends and relatives of Paki rapists if they enforced the laws against rape, kidnapping sex with minors assault battery great bodily injury etc etc.

    The laws weren’t enforced. It’s called selective law enforcement

  18. This sort of case makes me want to punch the smug Left-wingers who believe labelling everyone a racist is OK because it helps defeating “institutional racism”. “Oh, conservatives think their feelings being hurt by being called out matters more than fighting institutional racism!”

    No, dear Leftard, we care about this sort of thing happening because you try to make “fighting racism” more important fighting than child grooming.

  19. Remember Rotherham When You Retaliate Against The Ruling Class!

    The English voters retaliated against the evil English ruling class by voting to leave the European Union. Keep the fight going strong and stay on the march!

    Evil Rats In The English Ruling Class Protected Muslim Rape Gangs

    How about the above as a headline in some newspaper? Never happen with today’s controlled media. The corporate propaganda apparatus must be destroyed to restore honor and dignity to England and the United States.

    Rotherham was a factor in the rise of UKIP and in the vote by the English to leave the European Union. I say English because the English vote was the determinative bloc of votes that removed the UK from the EU.

    Tweets from 2015:

  20. @Anonymous
    Also, you must factor in that the Labour Party is increasingly dependent on the Pakistani vote for electoral power.
    Doubtless, on the ground, a myriad Pakistani local councillors and other small time political operators were 'greasing the wheels'.
    Pakistan style blatant bribery - with cash or sexual favors - of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sunbeam

    “Pakistan style blatant bribery – with cash or sexual favors – of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.”

    It may be a tinfoil hat kind of thing, but I have to wonder if the sexual favors were supplied extensively up the food chain – far up the food chain.

    And not just young girls, but young boys as well. The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.

    If they aren’t going to be going about the business of producing useful scientists and mathematicians as in former eras, such as Russell and the like…

    Well they are so much dead weight now, aren’t they? Once upon a time the Brit upper class had Balls from Hell. This current lot is utterly useless.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Sunbeam

    The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.

    Savile wasn't the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn't have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.

    Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Hibernian

  21. I think Blur or Oasis needed to write a song about it to get the Brits interested in the issue. The Brits tend to respond to music as a social justice tool.

  22. This is not a winning issue for UK nationalists. Few UK women care about child molestation and rape of white women by non whites. For the elite this is a non issue and anyone (e.g., Tommy Robinson) who addresses it will be crushed to the cheers of women. Women are even protective of Muslims who throw acid in the face of women. Women will not be interested in this topic until they can gain status by doing so. Now status is gained by condemning white privilege and fostering an invasion. Men need to work on other themes.

    Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UK

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @TheBoom

    Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Rosie
    @TheBoom


    Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UK
     
    They didn't do it by alienating women. If you claim otherwise, where is your evidence?
  23. @YetAnotherAnon
    In January 2004, BNP leader Nick Griffin addressed a meeting in West Yorkshire as follows. A BBC operative was in attendance recording it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov/03/ukcrime.thefarright

    "Speaking of attacks on young white girls, the court was told that Mr Griffin said: "The bastards that are in that gang, they are in prison so the public think it's all over. Well, it's not. Because there's more of them. The police force and elected governors haven't done a damn thing about it."
     
    The BNPs Mark Collett said

    "If the local papers saw what I was saying tonight, they would call me, and they would call you, racists. But the racism is against whites. When these Asians go out looking for a victim, they don't go looking for Asian victims.

    "They don't go mugging Asian grandmas, they don't go stabbing each other, they don't go trying to solicit sex off little Pritesh or little Sanjita, they go straight to the whites because they are trying to destroy us and they are the racists.
     
    This was presented in evidence at their 2006 trial for "inciting racial hatred".


    In May 2004 Channel 4, that iconoclastic and fearless broadcaster, pulled a documentary on grooming in Bradford after West Yorkshire Police said it would "inflame racial tensions". At the time the BNP were polling well and IIRC got a couple of Euro-MPs via proportional representation.

    "The police are understood to have been worried about the timing of the documentary in the run-up to next month's local and European elections, particularly with British National Party candidates campaigning in Bradford."
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1

    Political police? No sirree! We don't have those!

    Replies: @TheBoom

    Problem is that there is no upside involving speaking out against rape gangs. White women hate white men who oppose them. Politicians don’t want to turn off potential voters or be called racists. “Journalists” view people who oppose rape gangs as the enemy. It is far safer and much more honored to turn a blind eye to them. No-one has ever, to my knowledge, hurt his or her career by ignoring Muslim rape and molestation gangs.

  24. @JohnnyWalker123
    I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.

    Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.

    Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.

    Here's some data (below).

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/



    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

     

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

     

    Some more data.

    There are other figures published by the government on those found guilty of offences against children, but these aren’t as recent. Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

    But these figures don’t tell us everything about sexual offences committed against children. For example, if someone is found guilty of raping a child under the age of 16, this will appear in the figures under ‘rape’ rather than ‘sexual activity with a minor’.

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don’t create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions – American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized “gangs” while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The “gang” aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @Jack D

    "The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were."

    So you are saying British society should change because of Pakistanis?

    I have a better idea. No Pakistanis, and yes I personally would expel them. Not going to hold my breath on that one.

    Actually if you banned further immigration, and cut off the welfare spigot from them, they'd leave on their own. Though selectively cutting off welfare based on ethnicity might be even more impossible than just expulsion.

    , @Mr. Rational
    @Jack D


    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls.
     
    Per whistleblower John Wedger, many of them were under state-ordered care, whose operators failed to stop the girls from being pimped out.  The parents were shorn of all authority.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01qB-HeYV8

    Replies: @Jack D, @James N. Kennett

    , @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Well no sexual relations between an enslaved person and that person's enslaver can be considered fully consensual, although in some - and perhaps many - cases it was not 100% rape either.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @bomag
    @Jack D


    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls.
     
    That's part of it. If police et al represent collective action, the people should raise up authorities that will act on their behalf.

    But everything gets hacked, and the parents probably voted for those in power to maintain the "gibs", even though they pimped out the kids. That seems to be how modern, nice, societies end.
    , @Jimi
    @Jack D

    Indeed, if white parents didn't want their daughters to be raped they should have dressed them up in full niqabs, never let them venture outside with a male guardian and enforced strict sex segregation.

    After all isn't that what Pakistani parents do?

    The other option is to demand Pakistanis drop retrograde attitudes towards women. But then you could be called racist!

    , @Rosie
    @Jack D


    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don’t create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial.
     
    It sounds to me as if you have a bit of a soft spot for these savages, Jack.

    Outgroup rape is far more damaging to a woman than ingroup rape. A potential mate might well overlook the possibility that any resulting child is not biologically his, or even embrace a child he knows is not his, while an obviously mixed offspring would seriously undermine the mother's place in the community. So yes, outgroup rape is singularly outrageous.

  25. What is left unsaid is thae the white girls wanted it

    Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    @Tiny Duck

    "Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing."

    Nice try, but no one, and I mean no one, is going to believe that you have friends.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Tiny Duck

    They were just asking for it, right, Tiny? You might want to check with your feminist comrades before you go that route.

  26. It’s almost as if the British Establishment isn’t really all that interested in the widespread problem of Pakistani pimps exploiting underage English girls and would prefer if everybody just forgot about it.

    And everyone, from the bobbies on the street to the home office, was complicit at the very least.  Those who tried to blow the whistle were persecuted viciously.  All but the whistleblowers are guilty.

    If the British people want to be rid of this plague, on their way to burn down the sharia zone they have to stop at the police station and decorate the nearby lamp posts with the people who made it all possible.  Will they?  It remains to be seen.

  27. @JohnnyWalker123
    I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.

    Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.

    Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.

    Here's some data (below).

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/



    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

     

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

     

    Some more data.

    There are other figures published by the government on those found guilty of offences against children, but these aren’t as recent. Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

    But these figures don’t tell us everything about sexual offences committed against children. For example, if someone is found guilty of raping a child under the age of 16, this will appear in the figures under ‘rape’ rather than ‘sexual activity with a minor’.

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014.”

    Only 31% of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection files have information on the suspect’s race, and only a minority of the Children’s Commissioner for England files have any information at all on the suspect (Cockbain 2013).

    In the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham, there are repeatedly statements to the effect that information on race or ethnicity was deliberately omitted:

    “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.” (Jay, 2014, p. 2)

    “[…] there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to ‘downplay’ the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as ‘racist’.” (Jay, 2014, p. 91)

    “Those who had involvement in CSE were acutely aware of these [ethnic] issues and recalled a general nervousness in the earlier years about discussing them, for fear of being thought racist.” (Jay, 2014, p. 93)

    References

    Cockbain, E. (2013). Grooming and the ‘Asian sex gang predator’: the construction of a racial crime threat, Race & Class, 54, 22-32.

    Jay, A. (2014). Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham 1997-2013
    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Peter Frost


    Only 31% of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection files have information on the suspect’s race, and only a minority of the Children’s Commissioner for England files have any information at all on the suspect (Cockbain 2013).

     

    I'll quote back the relevant statistics.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306396813475983

    Addressing the UK as a whole, CEOP measured ‘localised grooming’: the name echoing the new grooming debate, a clear example of media influence shaping official responses. Like The Times, CEOP focused on community-based CSE, specifically excluding familial, peer-on-peer, professional35 or primarily online abuse. Unlike The Times, CEOP removed limitations on victims’ age and gender and covered both solo and group offenders. Of the 31 per cent (N = 753) of suspects for whom race was known, 49 per cent (N = 367) were white and 46 per cent (N = 346) Asian.36 Meanwhile, the OCCE included all forms of CSE in England, both online and offline, but was restricted to offenders acting in groups of two or more, the exclusion of solo offenders seriously undermining its claim to provide the ‘most thorough and comprehensive collection of information’ on CSE to date.37 The statistics presented in the report are often confused and incoherent,38 exacerbating methodological shortcomings and understandable data deficiencies. What can be disentangled is that only a minority of submissions to the call for evidence included any information on suspects. Of a total of 1,514 suspects thus identified, race data were available for 84 per cent (N = 1266). For those suspects where race was known, 43 per cent (N = 545) were white and 33 per cent (N = 415) Asian.39

    These studies clearly demonstrate that, contrary to popular opinion, CSE is not a uniquely Asian threat: in both cases the single largest ethnic group among suspects was white. At first sight, however, the large proportion of Asian suspects is concerning, since Asians comprise just 7 per cent of the British and 6 per cent of the English population

     

    If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That'd imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.

    Replies: @syonredux

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    @EiriktheRed

    The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which "accidentally" killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon

    The problem is that they’re being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched.

    Kind of like sublimating tribal feelings onto feetsball and blacksketball teams, no?  Direct them anywhere BUT protecting and promoting their own.

  29. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don't create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions - American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie

    “The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.”

    So you are saying British society should change because of Pakistanis?

    I have a better idea. No Pakistanis, and yes I personally would expel them. Not going to hold my breath on that one.

    Actually if you banned further immigration, and cut off the welfare spigot from them, they’d leave on their own. Though selectively cutting off welfare based on ethnicity might be even more impossible than just expulsion.

  30. @JohnnyWalker123
    @EiriktheRed

    The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which "accidentally" killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon

    Good to see the Brits cook the crime books just like we do in the good ol’ US!

    Regards,
    George Zimmerman
    White Hispanic

  31. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don't create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions - American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls.

    Per whistleblower John Wedger, many of them were under state-ordered care, whose operators failed to stop the girls from being pimped out.  The parents were shorn of all authority.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mr. Rational


    many of them were under state-ordered care
     
    If your children are under state-ordered care, then you, by definition, have already failed as a parent - you are an addict or alcoholic or neglectful or beat your children, etc. It may be that the state also failed but we should not expect the state to take care of our children to begin with. The root of this problem was a failed social structure that gave the predators access to these girls in the 1st place. If a shop leaves its doors unlocked at night because the shopkeeper is drunk and forgets to lock up and the neighborhood residents come and carry off the merchandise, of course the thieves are at fault and the police are at fault but the problem starts with the shopkeeper failing to fulfill his role as the guardian of his own property.

    You can have a high trust society where people are not worried about others taking advantage of their children and allowing them to roam free, but that is not what was going on here. These children were actually neglected by dysfunctional parent(s).

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Mr. Rational


    many of them were under state-ordered care, whose operators failed to stop the girls from being pimped out
     
    The attitudes of the staff, and the general regime, at British children's homes are beyond belief. If a staff member sees one of their 12-year-old girls getting into a car with a dark-skinned man, they do not think it is any of their business to ask any questions. They do not prevent children leaving the home at any time of day or night, but when the child phones in at 3am they are obliged to go and collect them.
  32. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don't create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions - American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie

    Well no sexual relations between an enslaved person and that person’s enslaver can be considered fully consensual, although in some – and perhaps many – cases it was not 100% rape either.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    You sound like a MeTooer. Apparently sex is not "fully consensual" unless the participants sign a legal contract beforehand, so that most sex is not "FULLY" consensual. Real life is full of shades of gray. White men did not have automatic license to rape their slaves at any and all times.

    For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.

    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.

    Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian

  33. it’s difficult and devastating to watch this happen. Whites here are really in the same predicament with a target on our backs. Something unexpected could come along and fix this mess but that seems unlikely.

    Meanwhile Harry and his over-the-hill, once divorced, former sex scene star wife are celebrating the violent and murderous Mandela whose legacy is the genocide of white South Africans.

  34. ” … where officials feared racism accusations at the time.”

    They feared being called “racists.” This will be our epitaph. The R word, the scarlet letter of our time. The label that has been weaponized to marginalize and ruin. I think we’re all aware that cultural Marxism has become a religion in the West. Elite white liberals giving away a disproportionate amount of political, corporate, and cultural power to the blacks and browns who seethe with racial hatred toward whites. Unfortunately, there is no solution. Totalitarian vibrancy is our future.

  35. @Charles Pewitt
    Rotherham Muslim Rape Gang Sponsored By Evil UK Ruling Class

    The New York Times printed an opinion piece that suggested that Pakistani Muslim men were raping and brutalizing English girls because they were "isolated."

    The evil ruling class of England is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack the English people.

    Mass immigration brings Islamic Terrorism to England.

    Mass immigration brings Muslim Rape Gangs to England.

    The answer to mass immigration is mass deportation.

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/595286869488766976

    Replies: @Jay Ritchie

    The New York times piece is far better than you allow for. I’ve read a fair amount by Sarfraz Mansoor (an excellent writer – Greeting From Bury Park is well worth reading) but don’t think he’s written so clearly on this subject in the British press.

  36. @Clyde
    The British class system. The girls were viewed as prole trash thus expendable. Plus fears of being called racist if they investigated Paki grooming gangs. It was not worth jeopardizing pay and promotions.

    All in all pathetic and how to kill a nation and a race.

    Replies: @Alden

    Plus fears of being voted out of office by friends and relatives of Paki rapists if they enforced the laws against rape, kidnapping sex with minors assault battery great bodily injury etc etc.

    The laws weren’t enforced. It’s called selective law enforcement

  37. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don't create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions - American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls.

    That’s part of it. If police et al represent collective action, the people should raise up authorities that will act on their behalf.

    But everything gets hacked, and the parents probably voted for those in power to maintain the “gibs”, even though they pimped out the kids. That seems to be how modern, nice, societies end.

  38. We need a new government, Teresa May was Home Secretary for a lot of this, yet she knew nothing, I don’t think so.

    We need a complete clear out of the hostile ruling elite.

    Then begin the legal, sanctioned by parliament, deportations.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  39. Waydaminit

    Isn’t the class system part of the ‘true’ British national culture and therefore good? So the upper class doesn’t care for the lower orders-that’s their wonderful traditional culture:

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anony-mouse

    The people falling down on the job were social workers and police officers, very few of whom came out of the upper classes. They were reporting the Labour Party politicians. Portside politicians do not care about law enforcement and are commonly hostile to those employed in uniformed or public safety occupations. British toffs may be otiose about this sort of thing, but you see that elsewhere. About half the population of my hometown lives in an archipelago of neighborhoods which has a homicide rate of about 35 per 100,000. It goes on and on and local politicians do nothing. It's highly unlikely they have country-club denizens complaining to them because the country club denizens live in suburbs where you might have 1 homicide a year if that.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

  40. Anonymous[236] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Pepple
    Women's Studies programs in our colleges and universities should be dumped everywhere. They are the ones who should have been on top of this situation from the beginning, but they have been quiet. More generally, they are the ones who should be the fiercest opponents of open borders, simply because of what that will mean to the most vulnerable of women in the West, but they are silent. They need to go.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosie, @YetAnotherAnon

    They aren’t just quiet; they set the parameters of what women ought to protest, which means they’ve been much worse than useless.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  41. @Sunbeam
    @Anonymous

    "Pakistan style blatant bribery – with cash or sexual favors – of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out."

    It may be a tinfoil hat kind of thing, but I have to wonder if the sexual favors were supplied extensively up the food chain - far up the food chain.

    And not just young girls, but young boys as well. The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.

    If they aren't going to be going about the business of producing useful scientists and mathematicians as in former eras, such as Russell and the like...

    Well they are so much dead weight now, aren't they? Once upon a time the Brit upper class had Balls from Hell. This current lot is utterly useless.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.

    Savile wasn’t the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn’t have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.

    Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Art Deco

    It’s funny that you should mention Jeffrey Epstein given his ties to Prince Andrew. You are helping to prove the point that the British elite has a rotten core.

    , @Hibernian
    @Art Deco

    He's ba-a-a-a-ack.

  42. @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Well no sexual relations between an enslaved person and that person's enslaver can be considered fully consensual, although in some - and perhaps many - cases it was not 100% rape either.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You sound like a MeTooer. Apparently sex is not “fully consensual” unless the participants sign a legal contract beforehand, so that most sex is not “FULLY” consensual. Real life is full of shades of gray. White men did not have automatic license to rape their slaves at any and all times.

    For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson’s lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.

    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don’t therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid – that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Jack D


    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise...
     
    I suppose that's why we need to get back to work on building that Socialist Utopia. I'm certain Whites are up to the task. Sweden had already managed it, then this guy came along and decided the Swedes needed to fix what wasn't broken.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Dilemma

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Take your meds, champ. I apologize for triggering you.

    , @Hibernian
    @Jack D

    I've heard the relationship began when she was 12 years old. That would be statutory rape, I think. On further thought, I'm not sure it would have been back then.

  43. @anony-mouse
    Waydaminit

    Isn't the class system part of the 'true' British national culture and therefore good? So the upper class doesn't care for the lower orders-that's their wonderful traditional culture:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHDYU1-viM

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The people falling down on the job were social workers and police officers, very few of whom came out of the upper classes. They were reporting the Labour Party politicians. Portside politicians do not care about law enforcement and are commonly hostile to those employed in uniformed or public safety occupations. British toffs may be otiose about this sort of thing, but you see that elsewhere. About half the population of my hometown lives in an archipelago of neighborhoods which has a homicide rate of about 35 per 100,000. It goes on and on and local politicians do nothing. It’s highly unlikely they have country-club denizens complaining to them because the country club denizens live in suburbs where you might have 1 homicide a year if that.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @Art Deco


    The people falling down on the job were social workers and police officers, very few of whom came out of the upper classes.
     
    They reported to middle-class desk jockeys, who reported to upper-middle-class senior officers, who reported to politicians. To notice this kind of crime was a career-limiting move, because it was considered racist.

    The MacPherson report (1999) into the murder of Stephen Lawrence did not help: it declared the Metropolitan Police to be "institutionally racist", and so it deterred the investigation of all ethnic minority crimes for more than a decade afterwards. In fact, the police mishandling of the Lawrence case had little to do with racism, and a great deal to do with corruption - the father of one of the killers was a gangster with policemen on his payroll. To MacPherson, it was easier to blame "institutional racism", and screw up policing in an entire country for 15 years, than to admit the shocking truth.
  44. @Mr. Rational
    @Jack D


    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls.
     
    Per whistleblower John Wedger, many of them were under state-ordered care, whose operators failed to stop the girls from being pimped out.  The parents were shorn of all authority.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01qB-HeYV8

    Replies: @Jack D, @James N. Kennett

    many of them were under state-ordered care

    If your children are under state-ordered care, then you, by definition, have already failed as a parent – you are an addict or alcoholic or neglectful or beat your children, etc. It may be that the state also failed but we should not expect the state to take care of our children to begin with. The root of this problem was a failed social structure that gave the predators access to these girls in the 1st place. If a shop leaves its doors unlocked at night because the shopkeeper is drunk and forgets to lock up and the neighborhood residents come and carry off the merchandise, of course the thieves are at fault and the police are at fault but the problem starts with the shopkeeper failing to fulfill his role as the guardian of his own property.

    You can have a high trust society where people are not worried about others taking advantage of their children and allowing them to roam free, but that is not what was going on here. These children were actually neglected by dysfunctional parent(s).

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Jack D


    If your children are under state-ordered care, then you, by definition, have already failed as a parent – you are an addict or alcoholic or neglectful or beat your children, etc.
     
    Or you're a single dad that the lesbian CPS worker hates and she thinks your kids would be a good addition to the string that her associate is pimping out, whether or not she's getting a cut.

    You have NO idea how hateful and depraved these people can be, and too often are.

  45. @Tiny Duck
    What is left unsaid is thae the white girls wanted it

    Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @MBlanc46

    “Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.”

    Nice try, but no one, and I mean no one, is going to believe that you have friends.

  46. @John Pepple
    Women's Studies programs in our colleges and universities should be dumped everywhere. They are the ones who should have been on top of this situation from the beginning, but they have been quiet. More generally, they are the ones who should be the fiercest opponents of open borders, simply because of what that will mean to the most vulnerable of women in the West, but they are silent. They need to go.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosie, @YetAnotherAnon

    They need to go.

    Either that, or start representing women’s best interests.

  47. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    You sound like a MeTooer. Apparently sex is not "fully consensual" unless the participants sign a legal contract beforehand, so that most sex is not "FULLY" consensual. Real life is full of shades of gray. White men did not have automatic license to rape their slaves at any and all times.

    For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.

    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.

    Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian

    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise…

    I suppose that’s why we need to get back to work on building that Socialist Utopia. I’m certain Whites are up to the task. Sweden had already managed it, then this guy came along and decided the Swedes needed to fix what wasn’t broken.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Dilemma

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rosie

    Sweden was pretty damn broken by feminism already, before the Moslem invasion. In fact, that is part of the reason FOR the Moslem invasion.

    C'mon, they were doing experiments raising girls as boys and vice versa and urging men to pee sitting down - see this great TV video (with Peakstupidity commentary) which has a bright and funny interviewer named Harald Eia, from his series called "Brainwashing". I have no problem with pre-ABBA-break-up Sweden, however.

    Socialism is for people who got so brainwashed in school as to forget the simple stuff they knew before kindergarten.

  48. @JohnnyWalker123
    @EiriktheRed

    The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which "accidentally" killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super “empathetic, “guilty,” “high-minded,” and eager to punish “racists.” It’s odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn’t Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn’t punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    Dear fellow, if you read Steve’s blog, you know the reason why: Invade the world, invite the world.

    Bush II invaded countries and allowed the USA to be invaded by aliens.He’s OK.

    Tony Blair invaded countries and allowed the UK to be invaded by aliens.He’s OK.

    Trump (so far) hasn’t invaded anybody and is working to prevent aliens from invading the USA.He’s a doubleplusungood crimethinker.

  49. @JohnnyWalker123
    I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.

    Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.

    Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.

    Here's some data (below).

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/



    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

     

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

     

    Some more data.

    There are other figures published by the government on those found guilty of offences against children, but these aren’t as recent. Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

    But these figures don’t tell us everything about sexual offences committed against children. For example, if someone is found guilty of raping a child under the age of 16, this will appear in the figures under ‘rape’ rather than ‘sexual activity with a minor’.

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

    UK demographics:

    White (20o1): 92.12%

    White (2011):87.17%

    White percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings:36%

    Asian (2001):4.39%

    Asian (2011):6.92%

    Asian percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 27%

    Black (2001):1.95%

    Black (2011):3.01%

    Black percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 16%

    Disproportionate……

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity

  50. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    You sound like a MeTooer. Apparently sex is not "fully consensual" unless the participants sign a legal contract beforehand, so that most sex is not "FULLY" consensual. Real life is full of shades of gray. White men did not have automatic license to rape their slaves at any and all times.

    For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.

    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.

    Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian

    Take your meds, champ. I apologize for triggering you.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  51. @JohnnyWalker123
    I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.

    Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.

    Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.

    Here's some data (below).

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/



    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

     

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

     

    Some more data.

    There are other figures published by the government on those found guilty of offences against children, but these aren’t as recent. Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

    But these figures don’t tell us everything about sexual offences committed against children. For example, if someone is found guilty of raping a child under the age of 16, this will appear in the figures under ‘rape’ rather than ‘sexual activity with a minor’.

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

    So, the Brits are doing their best to not prosecute Blacks and Asians (Britspeak for South Asians) for rape…..

    I mean, you did read this, right?

    A report by Alexis Jay exposed “blatant” failures by police and the Labour-run local council, where officials feared racism accusations at the time.

  52. @JohnnyWalker123
    I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.

    Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.

    Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.

    Here's some data (below).

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/



    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

     

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

     

    Some more data.

    There are other figures published by the government on those found guilty of offences against children, but these aren’t as recent. Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

    But these figures don’t tell us everything about sexual offences committed against children. For example, if someone is found guilty of raping a child under the age of 16, this will appear in the figures under ‘rape’ rather than ‘sexual activity with a minor’.

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46

    Incidentally, Johnny, what is your background?Have you declared it previously? I’ve always assumed that it’s non-European.

  53. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don't create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions - American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie

    Indeed, if white parents didn’t want their daughters to be raped they should have dressed them up in full niqabs, never let them venture outside with a male guardian and enforced strict sex segregation.

    After all isn’t that what Pakistani parents do?

    The other option is to demand Pakistanis drop retrograde attitudes towards women. But then you could be called racist!

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  54. @Jack D
    @Mr. Rational


    many of them were under state-ordered care
     
    If your children are under state-ordered care, then you, by definition, have already failed as a parent - you are an addict or alcoholic or neglectful or beat your children, etc. It may be that the state also failed but we should not expect the state to take care of our children to begin with. The root of this problem was a failed social structure that gave the predators access to these girls in the 1st place. If a shop leaves its doors unlocked at night because the shopkeeper is drunk and forgets to lock up and the neighborhood residents come and carry off the merchandise, of course the thieves are at fault and the police are at fault but the problem starts with the shopkeeper failing to fulfill his role as the guardian of his own property.

    You can have a high trust society where people are not worried about others taking advantage of their children and allowing them to roam free, but that is not what was going on here. These children were actually neglected by dysfunctional parent(s).

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    If your children are under state-ordered care, then you, by definition, have already failed as a parent – you are an addict or alcoholic or neglectful or beat your children, etc.

    Or you’re a single dad that the lesbian CPS worker hates and she thinks your kids would be a good addition to the string that her associate is pimping out, whether or not she’s getting a cut.

    You have NO idea how hateful and depraved these people can be, and too often are.

  55. @Jack D
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don't create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions - American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.

    However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.

    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie

    It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don’t create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial.

    It sounds to me as if you have a bit of a soft spot for these savages, Jack.

    Outgroup rape is far more damaging to a woman than ingroup rape. A potential mate might well overlook the possibility that any resulting child is not biologically his, or even embrace a child he knows is not his, while an obviously mixed offspring would seriously undermine the mother’s place in the community. So yes, outgroup rape is singularly outrageous.

  56. @JohnnyWalker123
    @EiriktheRed

    The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which "accidentally" killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.

    For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus

    Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.

    It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?

    The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.

    Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon

    Omar Bashir of Sudan , and the various rulers of Nigeria , Indonesia , Turki , Pakistan etc have all gotten away with killing millions , as have many others. Its not very surprising that Tony Blair should get away with his misdeeds as well.

  57. “Labour-run council”

    There’s your answer. Pakistanis vote Labour. They didn’t want to offend future voters.

    This also officially refutes a stupid excuse they floated after they got caught red handed, that they reason they didn’t crack down when first they found out was because the BNP was making a big deal of it. Now we know they knew about it well before the BNP did.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @countenance


    “Labour-run council”

    There’s your answer. Pakistanis vote Labour. They didn’t want to offend future voters.
     

    You are probably correct. Nevertheless, I wonder how it can be that the votes of the 2% of British who are Pakistani are so much more important that the 87% of British who are white that Labour can overlook massive rape conspiracies by the former against the latter? I know math is hard, but still. Can the Labour brain trust be even stupider than the US Stupid Party GOP brain trust that--until Trump--perpetually overlooked the 72% of American whites in favor of the 10% American Hispanics?

    Replies: @syonredux

  58. @Mr. Rational
    @Jack D


    The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls.
     
    Per whistleblower John Wedger, many of them were under state-ordered care, whose operators failed to stop the girls from being pimped out.  The parents were shorn of all authority.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01qB-HeYV8

    Replies: @Jack D, @James N. Kennett

    many of them were under state-ordered care, whose operators failed to stop the girls from being pimped out

    The attitudes of the staff, and the general regime, at British children’s homes are beyond belief. If a staff member sees one of their 12-year-old girls getting into a car with a dark-skinned man, they do not think it is any of their business to ask any questions. They do not prevent children leaving the home at any time of day or night, but when the child phones in at 3am they are obliged to go and collect them.

  59. Anonymous [AKA "people not rocks!"] says:

    And these Brits flipped out because some kids knocked over an old rock that was there before the dinosaurs.

  60. @Art Deco
    @anony-mouse

    The people falling down on the job were social workers and police officers, very few of whom came out of the upper classes. They were reporting the Labour Party politicians. Portside politicians do not care about law enforcement and are commonly hostile to those employed in uniformed or public safety occupations. British toffs may be otiose about this sort of thing, but you see that elsewhere. About half the population of my hometown lives in an archipelago of neighborhoods which has a homicide rate of about 35 per 100,000. It goes on and on and local politicians do nothing. It's highly unlikely they have country-club denizens complaining to them because the country club denizens live in suburbs where you might have 1 homicide a year if that.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    The people falling down on the job were social workers and police officers, very few of whom came out of the upper classes.

    They reported to middle-class desk jockeys, who reported to upper-middle-class senior officers, who reported to politicians. To notice this kind of crime was a career-limiting move, because it was considered racist.

    The MacPherson report (1999) into the murder of Stephen Lawrence did not help: it declared the Metropolitan Police to be “institutionally racist”, and so it deterred the investigation of all ethnic minority crimes for more than a decade afterwards. In fact, the police mishandling of the Lawrence case had little to do with racism, and a great deal to do with corruption – the father of one of the killers was a gangster with policemen on his payroll. To MacPherson, it was easier to blame “institutional racism”, and screw up policing in an entire country for 15 years, than to admit the shocking truth.

  61. @Art Deco
    @Sunbeam

    The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.

    Savile wasn't the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn't have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.

    Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Hibernian

    It’s funny that you should mention Jeffrey Epstein given his ties to Prince Andrew. You are helping to prove the point that the British elite has a rotten core.

  62. @John Pepple
    Women's Studies programs in our colleges and universities should be dumped everywhere. They are the ones who should have been on top of this situation from the beginning, but they have been quiet. More generally, they are the ones who should be the fiercest opponents of open borders, simply because of what that will mean to the most vulnerable of women in the West, but they are silent. They need to go.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosie, @YetAnotherAnon

    In the UK, Women’s Studies isn’t quite extinct, but there are few courses left and all but one are postgraduate. It was probably killed by a combination of student loans, poor job prospects and low graduate wages – in the post-Thatcher years, women somehow didn’t fancy putting “BA Women’s Studies” on the CV.

    However, the ideology remains influential, with the refinement that only white men are the enemy.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/womens-studies-are-alive-and-well-810050.html

  63. These pimps pimped out these girls to dozen or more guys at a time. Most of whom were middle-aged men. Most semi -respectable Paki men in England have probably abused an underage white girls at one time or another.

    I would have a hard time walking around these people in an English city.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @eagles


    Most semi -respectable Paki men in England have probably abused an underage white girls at one time or another.
     
    I think the actual probability is a few percent. The key figure in working this out is the number of victims per perpetrator, which is hard to establish. One study of a rape gang found a ratio of 10 to 1.

    Nobody is going to shout from the rooftops that 95% of Pakistani men are innocent, because if 5% in particular towns committed these crimes, that is a staggeringly high figure - possibly 50 times more than for child rapists among the general population.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  64. @countenance
    "Labour-run council"

    There's your answer. Pakistanis vote Labour. They didn't want to offend future voters.

    This also officially refutes a stupid excuse they floated after they got caught red handed, that they reason they didn't crack down when first they found out was because the BNP was making a big deal of it. Now we know they knew about it well before the BNP did.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “Labour-run council”

    There’s your answer. Pakistanis vote Labour. They didn’t want to offend future voters.

    You are probably correct. Nevertheless, I wonder how it can be that the votes of the 2% of British who are Pakistani are so much more important that the 87% of British who are white that Labour can overlook massive rape conspiracies by the former against the latter? I know math is hard, but still. Can the Labour brain trust be even stupider than the US Stupid Party GOP brain trust that–until Trump–perpetually overlooked the 72% of American whites in favor of the 10% American Hispanics?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Almost Missouri


    You are probably correct. Nevertheless, I wonder how it can be that the votes of the 2% of British who are Pakistani are so much more important that the 87% of British who are white that Labour can overlook massive rape conspiracies by the former against the latter? I know math is hard, but still. Can the Labour brain trust be even stupider than the US Stupid Party GOP brain trust that–until Trump–perpetually overlooked the 72% of American whites in favor of the 10% American Hispanics?
     
    One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete:


    Using immigration to turn Britain into a nation of Labour voters is so shameful I can hardly believe it


    What will future historians consider to be New Labour’s greatest legacy? I don’t believe it will be economic collapse or ill-judged foreign adventures or even the apparent peace settlement in Northern Ireland, though all of these will have long-term effects.
     

    My guess, bordering on conviction, is that the achievement for which the Government of 1997 to 2010 will be remembered above all is the unprecedentedly fast rate of immigration into this country.
     

    During this period, some three million immigrants were added to the British population.
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-1250096/Using-immigration-turn-Britain-nation-Labour-voters-shameful-I-hardly-believe-it.html

    Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser
    Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.

     

    The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
     

    He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote"..
     
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

    Between 2001 and 2011, the Asian (Britspeak for South Asian) population in the UK rose 69.58%.
    In the same period, the Black population rose 65.80%.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  65. @Jake
    The UK's WASP Elites despise their non-fashionable whites at least as much as do America's WASP Elites. To WASP Elites, non-wealthy, non-connected whites are rednecks, white trash, who are expected to be unheard and almost unseen while they live to serve the WASP Elites, and the chosen allies of the WASP Elites, as cannon fodder and tax slaves, as well as canaries in the mines.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Jake, tell us how you really feel.

  66. Were the Labour councillors afraid of being accused of racism if they took any action against the Pakis, or did they refrain from taking any action due to their actual anti-white racism?

  67. @Anonymous
    ...but..but...think of the soccer.

    Or in this case the curries.

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @James N. Kennett

    If not comment of the day, at least humorous comment of the day.

  68. The thing of it is, these guys aren’t even upper class by British standards. (And I doubt that Doolittle is among the poorest of the poor, his occupation notwithstanding. Little things like his literacy level and manner of dress.)

  69. @Almost Missouri
    @countenance


    “Labour-run council”

    There’s your answer. Pakistanis vote Labour. They didn’t want to offend future voters.
     

    You are probably correct. Nevertheless, I wonder how it can be that the votes of the 2% of British who are Pakistani are so much more important that the 87% of British who are white that Labour can overlook massive rape conspiracies by the former against the latter? I know math is hard, but still. Can the Labour brain trust be even stupider than the US Stupid Party GOP brain trust that--until Trump--perpetually overlooked the 72% of American whites in favor of the 10% American Hispanics?

    Replies: @syonredux

    You are probably correct. Nevertheless, I wonder how it can be that the votes of the 2% of British who are Pakistani are so much more important that the 87% of British who are white that Labour can overlook massive rape conspiracies by the former against the latter? I know math is hard, but still. Can the Labour brain trust be even stupider than the US Stupid Party GOP brain trust that–until Trump–perpetually overlooked the 72% of American whites in favor of the 10% American Hispanics?

    One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete:

    Using immigration to turn Britain into a nation of Labour voters is so shameful I can hardly believe it

    What will future historians consider to be New Labour’s greatest legacy? I don’t believe it will be economic collapse or ill-judged foreign adventures or even the apparent peace settlement in Northern Ireland, though all of these will have long-term effects.

    My guess, bordering on conviction, is that the achievement for which the Government of 1997 to 2010 will be remembered above all is the unprecedentedly fast rate of immigration into this country.

    During this period, some three million immigrants were added to the British population.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-1250096/Using-immigration-turn-Britain-nation-Labour-voters-shameful-I-hardly-believe-it.html

    Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser
    Labour threw open Britain’s borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a “truly multicultural” country, a former Government adviser has revealed.

    The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”, according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.

    He said Labour’s relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to “open up the UK to mass migration” but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its “core working class vote”..

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

    Between 2001 and 2011, the Asian (Britspeak for South Asian) population in the UK rose 69.58%.
    In the same period, the Black population rose 65.80%.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @syonredux


    "One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete"
     
    Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they're destroying the country.

    It's not like Labour couldn't win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.

    The Blairite "New Labour" only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism's washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it's not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because...

    ...because...

    It doesn't really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, ... wielded primarily by gentile white people.

    Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it's not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England's carcass is picked clean.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous

  70. @Art Deco
    @Sunbeam

    The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.

    Savile wasn't the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn't have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.

    Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Hibernian

    He’s ba-a-a-a-ack.

  71. @JohnnyWalker123
    I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.

    Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.

    Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.

    Here's some data (below).

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/



    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

     

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

     

    Some more data.

    There are other figures published by the government on those found guilty of offences against children, but these aren’t as recent. Almost 85% of offenders found guilty of sexual activity with a minor in England and Wales in 2011 were white. 3% were black and 4% were Asian and the rest were either listed as ‘other’ or unknown.

    But these figures don’t tell us everything about sexual offences committed against children. For example, if someone is found guilty of raping a child under the age of 16, this will appear in the figures under ‘rape’ rather than ‘sexual activity with a minor’.

    Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014. These proportions were similar over the previous four years. The government told us it doesn’t regularly publish information on the ethnicity of those found guilty of sexual offences so there is no more recent information.

     

    Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46

    Leave it to Johnny Walker to leap to the the defense of Paki child rapists and pimps. Sad.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @MBlanc46

    You must've not read most of my post.

    So let me quote back the part that you seemed to have missed.

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/


    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.
     
    More data.


    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.
     
    That's the problem when you skim a post without reading most of it.

    Replies: @syonredux

  72. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    You sound like a MeTooer. Apparently sex is not "fully consensual" unless the participants sign a legal contract beforehand, so that most sex is not "FULLY" consensual. Real life is full of shades of gray. White men did not have automatic license to rape their slaves at any and all times.

    For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.

    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.

    Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian

    I’ve heard the relationship began when she was 12 years old. That would be statutory rape, I think. On further thought, I’m not sure it would have been back then.

  73. @TheBoom
    This is not a winning issue for UK nationalists. Few UK women care about child molestation and rape of white women by non whites. For the elite this is a non issue and anyone (e.g., Tommy Robinson) who addresses it will be crushed to the cheers of women. Women are even protective of Muslims who throw acid in the face of women. Women will not be interested in this topic until they can gain status by doing so. Now status is gained by condemning white privilege and fostering an invasion. Men need to work on other themes.

    Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UK

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @Rosie

    Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @MBlanc46


    Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.
     
    Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James N. Kennett

  74. @Tiny Duck
    What is left unsaid is thae the white girls wanted it

    Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.

    Replies: @Ozymandias, @MBlanc46

    They were just asking for it, right, Tiny? You might want to check with your feminist comrades before you go that route.

  75. @MBlanc46
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Leave it to Johnny Walker to leap to the the defense of Paki child rapists and pimps. Sad.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    You must’ve not read most of my post.

    So let me quote back the part that you seemed to have missed.

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

    More data.

    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.

    That’s the problem when you skim a post without reading most of it.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.
     
    Disproportionate......
  76. @Peter Frost
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014."

    Only 31% of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection files have information on the suspect's race, and only a minority of the Children's Commissioner for England files have any information at all on the suspect (Cockbain 2013).

    In the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham, there are repeatedly statements to the effect that information on race or ethnicity was deliberately omitted:

    "Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so." (Jay, 2014, p. 2)

    "[...] there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as 'racist'." (Jay, 2014, p. 91)

    "Those who had involvement in CSE were acutely aware of these [ethnic] issues and recalled a general nervousness in the earlier years about discussing them, for fear of being thought racist." (Jay, 2014, p. 93)

    References

    Cockbain, E. (2013). Grooming and the 'Asian sex gang predator': the construction of a racial crime threat, Race & Class, 54, 22-32.

    Jay, A. (2014). Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham 1997-2013
    http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Only 31% of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection files have information on the suspect’s race, and only a minority of the Children’s Commissioner for England files have any information at all on the suspect (Cockbain 2013).

    I’ll quote back the relevant statistics.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306396813475983

    Addressing the UK as a whole, CEOP measured ‘localised grooming’: the name echoing the new grooming debate, a clear example of media influence shaping official responses. Like The Times, CEOP focused on community-based CSE, specifically excluding familial, peer-on-peer, professional35 or primarily online abuse. Unlike The Times, CEOP removed limitations on victims’ age and gender and covered both solo and group offenders. Of the 31 per cent (N = 753) of suspects for whom race was known, 49 per cent (N = 367) were white and 46 per cent (N = 346) Asian.36 Meanwhile, the OCCE included all forms of CSE in England, both online and offline, but was restricted to offenders acting in groups of two or more, the exclusion of solo offenders seriously undermining its claim to provide the ‘most thorough and comprehensive collection of information’ on CSE to date.37 The statistics presented in the report are often confused and incoherent,38 exacerbating methodological shortcomings and understandable data deficiencies. What can be disentangled is that only a minority of submissions to the call for evidence included any information on suspects. Of a total of 1,514 suspects thus identified, race data were available for 84 per cent (N = 1266). For those suspects where race was known, 43 per cent (N = 545) were white and 33 per cent (N = 415) Asian.39

    These studies clearly demonstrate that, contrary to popular opinion, CSE is not a uniquely Asian threat: in both cases the single largest ethnic group among suspects was white. At first sight, however, the large proportion of Asian suspects is concerning, since Asians comprise just 7 per cent of the British and 6 per cent of the English population

    If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That’d imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That’d imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.
     
    Disproportionate......
  77. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Peter Frost


    Only 31% of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection files have information on the suspect’s race, and only a minority of the Children’s Commissioner for England files have any information at all on the suspect (Cockbain 2013).

     

    I'll quote back the relevant statistics.

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306396813475983

    Addressing the UK as a whole, CEOP measured ‘localised grooming’: the name echoing the new grooming debate, a clear example of media influence shaping official responses. Like The Times, CEOP focused on community-based CSE, specifically excluding familial, peer-on-peer, professional35 or primarily online abuse. Unlike The Times, CEOP removed limitations on victims’ age and gender and covered both solo and group offenders. Of the 31 per cent (N = 753) of suspects for whom race was known, 49 per cent (N = 367) were white and 46 per cent (N = 346) Asian.36 Meanwhile, the OCCE included all forms of CSE in England, both online and offline, but was restricted to offenders acting in groups of two or more, the exclusion of solo offenders seriously undermining its claim to provide the ‘most thorough and comprehensive collection of information’ on CSE to date.37 The statistics presented in the report are often confused and incoherent,38 exacerbating methodological shortcomings and understandable data deficiencies. What can be disentangled is that only a minority of submissions to the call for evidence included any information on suspects. Of a total of 1,514 suspects thus identified, race data were available for 84 per cent (N = 1266). For those suspects where race was known, 43 per cent (N = 545) were white and 33 per cent (N = 415) Asian.39

    These studies clearly demonstrate that, contrary to popular opinion, CSE is not a uniquely Asian threat: in both cases the single largest ethnic group among suspects was white. At first sight, however, the large proportion of Asian suspects is concerning, since Asians comprise just 7 per cent of the British and 6 per cent of the English population

     

    If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That'd imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.

    Replies: @syonredux

    If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That’d imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.

    Disproportionate……

  78. @JohnnyWalker123
    @MBlanc46

    You must've not read most of my post.

    So let me quote back the part that you seemed to have missed.

    https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/


    In 2011 CEOP published an analysis of possible offenders who had been reported to it for “street grooming and child sexual exploitation”. CEOP said that offenders in these cases often act in groups.

    It analysed over 1,200 of these possible offenders and found the vast majority were male. Around 30% were white, 28% Asian and 3% black and 38% were unknown. When CEOP looked only at a group of around 940 offenders that it had better information for it found around 38% were white, 32% were unknown, 36% were Asian and 3% were black.

     

    Another study.

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.
     
    More data.


    The data it had collected was based on the reports of victims. It found that 36% of perpetrators of child sexual exploitation in gangs or groups were white, 27% Asian, 16% black and 16% not disclosed.
     
    That's the problem when you skim a post without reading most of it.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Another study by CEOP from 2013 looked at data collected from 31 police forces. It found that of around 300 offenders whose ethnicity was provided and who were part of groups targeting children based on their vulnerability (rather than because they had a specific sexual interest in children), 75% had been categorised as Asian and 17% as white, 5% were listed as black and 3% as Arab.

    Disproportionate……

  79. Some of these studies are showing that Blacks are extremely over represented in the grooming epidemic.

    Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Some of these studies are showing that Blacks are extremely over represented in the grooming epidemic.

    Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?
     
    Blacks are nearly always over represented when it comes to violent crime:

    Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London's population of 7,556,900 were black.
     

    In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people.[29]
     

    On sex offences, black men made up 32 per cent of male suspects.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#England_and_Wales_crime_statistics
    , @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Table 3 shows the multiples for the white arrest rates for a variety of crimes. Sharp racial differences appear not only for crimes of violence but also for property crimes, such as burglary and auto theft. The Chicago data fit the national pattern: Blacks have, by far, the highest arrest rates, followed by Hispanics. Asians have the lowest arrest rates.

    Table 3. Multiples of the White Arrest Rate Chicago, 2010
     

    For sexual assault, the Black rate is 10.3X the White rate....

    If the same calculation is done as with New York City to arrive at crime rates in a theoretical all-white Chicago, murder would decline by 90.2 percent, rape by 80.8 percent, and robbery by 90.2 percent .


    https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  80. @MBlanc46
    @TheBoom

    Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.

    Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rosie

    AEN: OK, Rosie, but if we're gonna let you join the People's Front for America, you've got to really hate the Globalists!

    Rosie: Oh, I hate the Globalists, already.

    AEN: Oh, yeah, how much?

    Rosie: A lot.

    AEN: OK, you're in.

    .
    .

    Edit: But that's it! No more women. Splitters!

    , @James N. Kennett
    @Rosie


    Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.
     
    I know it is breathtakingly sad, but very few British women care about what is happening. This is one reason why the country is doomed. The same applies to other countries in Western Europe.

    The Swedish city of Malmo was, until recently, one of the safest cities in the world. Now it has 43% Muslim immigrants, and the rate of violent crime is so high that mainstream politicians have seriously considered introducing martial law. At the same time, Swedish feminists have launched a 24/7 helpline for victims of mansplaining.

    For those of us who are not misogynists, it is painful to see mainstream feminism rebuked by its own silence. Feminists do not care about Muslim rape gangs, because lower-class brown-skinned rapists do not have anything the feminists want to take.

    Replies: @Rosie

  81. @TheBoom
    This is not a winning issue for UK nationalists. Few UK women care about child molestation and rape of white women by non whites. For the elite this is a non issue and anyone (e.g., Tommy Robinson) who addresses it will be crushed to the cheers of women. Women are even protective of Muslims who throw acid in the face of women. Women will not be interested in this topic until they can gain status by doing so. Now status is gained by condemning white privilege and fostering an invasion. Men need to work on other themes.

    Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UK

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @Rosie

    Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UK

    They didn’t do it by alienating women. If you claim otherwise, where is your evidence?

  82. @JohnnyWalker123
    Some of these studies are showing that Blacks are extremely over represented in the grooming epidemic.

    Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Some of these studies are showing that Blacks are extremely over represented in the grooming epidemic.

    Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?

    Blacks are nearly always over represented when it comes to violent crime:

    Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London’s population of 7,556,900 were black.

    In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–10 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 59 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[27] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[28] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people.[29]

    On sex offences, black men made up 32 per cent of male suspects.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#England_and_Wales_crime_statistics

  83. Here’s what’s worrying the British police – a possible surge in hate crime after Brexit. Nice to see all those sex crime scandals haven’t shifted their priorities one bit.

  84. @JohnnyWalker123
    Some of these studies are showing that Blacks are extremely over represented in the grooming epidemic.

    Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Table 3 shows the multiples for the white arrest rates for a variety of crimes. Sharp racial differences appear not only for crimes of violence but also for property crimes, such as burglary and auto theft. The Chicago data fit the national pattern: Blacks have, by far, the highest arrest rates, followed by Hispanics. Asians have the lowest arrest rates.

    Table 3. Multiples of the White Arrest Rate Chicago, 2010

    For sexual assault, the Black rate is 10.3X the White rate….

    If the same calculation is done as with New York City to arrive at crime rates in a theoretical all-white Chicago, murder would decline by 90.2 percent, rape by 80.8 percent, and robbery by 90.2 percent .

    https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    You'd get a few white lowlifes move to Chicago and go into crime. That seemed to happen in Houston during the 1970s oil boom.

  85. @syonredux
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Table 3 shows the multiples for the white arrest rates for a variety of crimes. Sharp racial differences appear not only for crimes of violence but also for property crimes, such as burglary and auto theft. The Chicago data fit the national pattern: Blacks have, by far, the highest arrest rates, followed by Hispanics. Asians have the lowest arrest rates.

    Table 3. Multiples of the White Arrest Rate Chicago, 2010
     

    For sexual assault, the Black rate is 10.3X the White rate....

    If the same calculation is done as with New York City to arrive at crime rates in a theoretical all-white Chicago, murder would decline by 90.2 percent, rape by 80.8 percent, and robbery by 90.2 percent .


    https://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime-2016-revised-edition/

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    You’d get a few white lowlifes move to Chicago and go into crime. That seemed to happen in Houston during the 1970s oil boom.

  86. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @EiriktheRed
    The British government was too busy lecturing foreign governments on gay rights, to have time to deal with the Rotherham crimes.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Anonymous

    Here is how the multi-millionairesss Margaret Hodge became “Minister for Children” for Labor – basically by pimping out children in “council care” to favored patrons. Islington is the famous as the home turf of the hard Left in London.

    In 1985, Demetrios Panton wrote to Islington Council to complain about abuse suffered while in Council care during the 1970s and 1980s. Panton received an official response in 1989 [FOUR YEARS LATER], in which the Council denied all responsibility.[20]

    In 1990, … a senior social worker … raised concerns about sexual abuse of children under the care of Islington Council. Correspondence between Hodge and the then Director of Social Work indicates that Hodge declined a request for extra investigative resources.[21]

    In 1992, the Evening Standard resumed reporting allegations of abuse in Islington Care Homes. Its initial report was slated by Hodge as a “sensationalist piece of gutter journalism”, …

    In 2003, following Hodge’s appointment as Minister for Children, Panton went public with his allegations …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hodge

  87. @syonredux
    @Almost Missouri


    You are probably correct. Nevertheless, I wonder how it can be that the votes of the 2% of British who are Pakistani are so much more important that the 87% of British who are white that Labour can overlook massive rape conspiracies by the former against the latter? I know math is hard, but still. Can the Labour brain trust be even stupider than the US Stupid Party GOP brain trust that–until Trump–perpetually overlooked the 72% of American whites in favor of the 10% American Hispanics?
     
    One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete:


    Using immigration to turn Britain into a nation of Labour voters is so shameful I can hardly believe it


    What will future historians consider to be New Labour’s greatest legacy? I don’t believe it will be economic collapse or ill-judged foreign adventures or even the apparent peace settlement in Northern Ireland, though all of these will have long-term effects.
     

    My guess, bordering on conviction, is that the achievement for which the Government of 1997 to 2010 will be remembered above all is the unprecedentedly fast rate of immigration into this country.
     

    During this period, some three million immigrants were added to the British population.
     
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-1250096/Using-immigration-turn-Britain-nation-Labour-voters-shameful-I-hardly-believe-it.html

    Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser
    Labour threw open Britain's borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a "truly multicultural" country, a former Government adviser has revealed.

     

    The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
     

    He said Labour's relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to "open up the UK to mass migration" but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its "core working class vote"..
     
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

    Between 2001 and 2011, the Asian (Britspeak for South Asian) population in the UK rose 69.58%.
    In the same period, the Black population rose 65.80%.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete”

    Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they’re destroying the country.

    It’s not like Labour couldn’t win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.

    The Blairite “New Labour” only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism’s washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it’s not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because…

    …because…

    It doesn’t really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, … wielded primarily by gentile white people.

    Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it’s not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England’s carcass is picked clean.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @Almost Missouri


    Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they’re destroying the country.
     
    They were not "thinking smart". Blair aide Andrew Neather explained that the purpose of mass immigration was to "make diversity irreversible" and to "rub the right's nose in diversity". In other words, they did it for no better reason than to annoy readers of the Daily Mail.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Money is as important as votes, and the Labour Party is no longer funded by the union dues of ordinary working people. This was one of the changes that Blair brought about. However, cutting itself off from the unions made the party financially dependent on wealthy individuals and corporate donors - groups that typically want more immigration.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  88. I am speculating that there was a class angle to this: The white females were most likely of the lower classes, so the elites just wanted to ignore the problem (did not want any trouble).

  89. @Rosie
    @MBlanc46


    Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.
     
    Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James N. Kennett

    AEN: OK, Rosie, but if we’re gonna let you join the People’s Front for America, you’ve got to really hate the Globalists!

    Rosie: Oh, I hate the Globalists, already.

    AEN: Oh, yeah, how much?

    Rosie: A lot.

    AEN: OK, you’re in.

    .
    .

    Edit: But that’s it! No more women. Splitters!

  90. @Rosie
    @Jack D


    Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise...
     
    I suppose that's why we need to get back to work on building that Socialist Utopia. I'm certain Whites are up to the task. Sweden had already managed it, then this guy came along and decided the Swedes needed to fix what wasn't broken.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Dilemma

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Sweden was pretty damn broken by feminism already, before the Moslem invasion. In fact, that is part of the reason FOR the Moslem invasion.

    C’mon, they were doing experiments raising girls as boys and vice versa and urging men to pee sitting down – see this great TV video (with Peakstupidity commentary) which has a bright and funny interviewer named Harald Eia, from his series called “Brainwashing”. I have no problem with pre-ABBA-break-up Sweden, however.

    Socialism is for people who got so brainwashed in school as to forget the simple stuff they knew before kindergarten.

  91. @Rosie
    @MBlanc46


    Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.
     
    Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @James N. Kennett

    Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.

    I know it is breathtakingly sad, but very few British women care about what is happening. This is one reason why the country is doomed. The same applies to other countries in Western Europe.

    The Swedish city of Malmo was, until recently, one of the safest cities in the world. Now it has 43% Muslim immigrants, and the rate of violent crime is so high that mainstream politicians have seriously considered introducing martial law. At the same time, Swedish feminists have launched a 24/7 helpline for victims of mansplaining.

    For those of us who are not misogynists, it is painful to see mainstream feminism rebuked by its own silence. Feminists do not care about Muslim rape gangs, because lower-class brown-skinned rapists do not have anything the feminists want to take.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @James N. Kennett


    For those of us who are not misogynists, it is painful to see mainstream feminism rebuked by its own silence. Feminists do not care about Muslim rape gangs, because lower-class brown-skinned rapists do not have anything the feminists want to take.
     
    As I have pointed out elsewhere, you have to follow the shekels. The reason "feminists" don't care about Pakistani rape gangs is because they've been Gelbaumed.

    https://www.noozhawk.com/article/021712_joe_guzzardi_sierra_club
  92. @Almost Missouri
    @syonredux


    "One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete"
     
    Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they're destroying the country.

    It's not like Labour couldn't win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.

    The Blairite "New Labour" only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism's washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it's not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because...

    ...because...

    It doesn't really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, ... wielded primarily by gentile white people.

    Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it's not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England's carcass is picked clean.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous

    Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they’re destroying the country.

    They were not “thinking smart”. Blair aide Andrew Neather explained that the purpose of mass immigration was to “make diversity irreversible” and to “rub the right’s nose in diversity”. In other words, they did it for no better reason than to annoy readers of the Daily Mail.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James N. Kennett

    Okay. I understand spite as well as the next guy, but there's spite, and there's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    After all, the architects of these misbegotten policies have to live in the results too.

  93. @eagles
    These pimps pimped out these girls to dozen or more guys at a time. Most of whom were middle-aged men. Most semi -respectable Paki men in England have probably abused an underage white girls at one time or another.

    I would have a hard time walking around these people in an English city.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett

    Most semi -respectable Paki men in England have probably abused an underage white girls at one time or another.

    I think the actual probability is a few percent. The key figure in working this out is the number of victims per perpetrator, which is hard to establish. One study of a rape gang found a ratio of 10 to 1.

    Nobody is going to shout from the rooftops that 95% of Pakistani men are innocent, because if 5% in particular towns committed these crimes, that is a staggeringly high figure – possibly 50 times more than for child rapists among the general population.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @James N. Kennett


    "if 5% in particular towns committed these crimes, that is a staggeringly high figure – possibly 50 times more than for child rapists among the general population."
     
    It is probably much higher than 5%.

    According to Wikipedia, there were about 9000 "Asians" (=Pakistanis) in the Rotherham school district. Half of those should be men, so 4500. Maybe a little over half of those are post-pubescent and pre-impotence age, so about 2500 men of an age able to commit a sex crime.

    According to news stories, the Rotherham grooming gang victims were pimped to “hundreds” of men.

    So … "hundreds" means at least 200 but probably more. The minimalist assumption is that it was exactly the same hundreds raping each of the 1500 victims. It is more likely that the rapists formed partly overlapping and partly non-overlapping circles of abuse. So the number of rapists among the 2500 or so eligible men is at least 200 but almost certainly more, very possibly much more. "Hundreds" could mean up to 999, and semi-overlapping abuses circle can make the number as high as 999^2.

    Do the math and ... somewhere between 8% and 100% of the Rotherham's eligible "Asians" were among the rapists. What's the highest likelihood within that range? Maybe 20% to 40%: above the absolute minimum but doesn't require overlapping circle math. And the media pattern with these rape gangs has been that whatever the officials admit to at any point, the unadmitted reality is worse. They are admitting to an absolute minimum of 8%...

    I keep hearing that Rotherham is not unusual, it just happened to be the first exposed grooming gang town. Every time someone dares to turn over a stone: Telford, Oxford, ... another grooming gang inconveniently appears.

    If 5% is staggeringly high, what is 20%? Or 40%?

    One term for it might be "organized genocide", which I think we can agree would be the description were the ethnicities reversed.

    Another term for it might be "legitimate grounds for deportation and expulsion", but somehow I don't think we'll hear that. Better a thousand English girls raped than one innocent Mirpuri go home to Mirpur.

  94. @Anonymous
    ...but..but...think of the soccer.

    Or in this case the curries.

    Replies: @MBlanc46, @James N. Kennett

    …but..but…think of the soccer.

    Or in this case the curries.

    Or, as Douglas Murray put it, diversity has given us more beheadings and honour killings … but on the other hand it has provided a wider range of cuisine.

  95. @James N. Kennett
    @Almost Missouri


    Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they’re destroying the country.
     
    They were not "thinking smart". Blair aide Andrew Neather explained that the purpose of mass immigration was to "make diversity irreversible" and to "rub the right's nose in diversity". In other words, they did it for no better reason than to annoy readers of the Daily Mail.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Okay. I understand spite as well as the next guy, but there’s spite, and there’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    After all, the architects of these misbegotten policies have to live in the results too.

  96. @James N. Kennett
    @eagles


    Most semi -respectable Paki men in England have probably abused an underage white girls at one time or another.
     
    I think the actual probability is a few percent. The key figure in working this out is the number of victims per perpetrator, which is hard to establish. One study of a rape gang found a ratio of 10 to 1.

    Nobody is going to shout from the rooftops that 95% of Pakistani men are innocent, because if 5% in particular towns committed these crimes, that is a staggeringly high figure - possibly 50 times more than for child rapists among the general population.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “if 5% in particular towns committed these crimes, that is a staggeringly high figure – possibly 50 times more than for child rapists among the general population.”

    It is probably much higher than 5%.

    According to Wikipedia, there were about 9000 “Asians” (=Pakistanis) in the Rotherham school district. Half of those should be men, so 4500. Maybe a little over half of those are post-pubescent and pre-impotence age, so about 2500 men of an age able to commit a sex crime.

    According to news stories, the Rotherham grooming gang victims were pimped to “hundreds” of men.

    So … “hundreds” means at least 200 but probably more. The minimalist assumption is that it was exactly the same hundreds raping each of the 1500 victims. It is more likely that the rapists formed partly overlapping and partly non-overlapping circles of abuse. So the number of rapists among the 2500 or so eligible men is at least 200 but almost certainly more, very possibly much more. “Hundreds” could mean up to 999, and semi-overlapping abuses circle can make the number as high as 999^2.

    Do the math and … somewhere between 8% and 100% of the Rotherham’s eligible “Asians” were among the rapists. What’s the highest likelihood within that range? Maybe 20% to 40%: above the absolute minimum but doesn’t require overlapping circle math. And the media pattern with these rape gangs has been that whatever the officials admit to at any point, the unadmitted reality is worse. They are admitting to an absolute minimum of 8%…

    I keep hearing that Rotherham is not unusual, it just happened to be the first exposed grooming gang town. Every time someone dares to turn over a stone: Telford, Oxford, … another grooming gang inconveniently appears.

    If 5% is staggeringly high, what is 20%? Or 40%?

    One term for it might be “organized genocide”, which I think we can agree would be the description were the ethnicities reversed.

    Another term for it might be “legitimate grounds for deportation and expulsion”, but somehow I don’t think we’ll hear that. Better a thousand English girls raped than one innocent Mirpuri go home to Mirpur.

  97. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @syonredux


    "One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete"
     
    Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they're destroying the country.

    It's not like Labour couldn't win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.

    The Blairite "New Labour" only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism's washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it's not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because...

    ...because...

    It doesn't really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, ... wielded primarily by gentile white people.

    Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it's not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England's carcass is picked clean.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous

    Money is as important as votes, and the Labour Party is no longer funded by the union dues of ordinary working people. This was one of the changes that Blair brought about. However, cutting itself off from the unions made the party financially dependent on wealthy individuals and corporate donors – groups that typically want more immigration.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    Was Labour's end of funding via union dues caused by the unions or by the party?

    Also, which corporations donate to get more immigration to the UK? The overwhelming majority of Mirpuris, who disproportionately make up immigrants to the UK, do not work for large corporations, so they would not seem to help drive down corporate wages. Indeed, many seem not to work at all, merely absorbing government transfer payments that might otherwise have gone to natives or stayed with the taxpayers (such as those corporations), so this kind of immigration would seem to drive UP corporate costs, not DOWN. Or maybe it is just another case of mismatch between what the donors think they will get vs. what they actually get?

  98. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Money is as important as votes, and the Labour Party is no longer funded by the union dues of ordinary working people. This was one of the changes that Blair brought about. However, cutting itself off from the unions made the party financially dependent on wealthy individuals and corporate donors - groups that typically want more immigration.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Was Labour’s end of funding via union dues caused by the unions or by the party?

    Also, which corporations donate to get more immigration to the UK? The overwhelming majority of Mirpuris, who disproportionately make up immigrants to the UK, do not work for large corporations, so they would not seem to help drive down corporate wages. Indeed, many seem not to work at all, merely absorbing government transfer payments that might otherwise have gone to natives or stayed with the taxpayers (such as those corporations), so this kind of immigration would seem to drive UP corporate costs, not DOWN. Or maybe it is just another case of mismatch between what the donors think they will get vs. what they actually get?

  99. @James N. Kennett
    @Rosie


    Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.
     
    I know it is breathtakingly sad, but very few British women care about what is happening. This is one reason why the country is doomed. The same applies to other countries in Western Europe.

    The Swedish city of Malmo was, until recently, one of the safest cities in the world. Now it has 43% Muslim immigrants, and the rate of violent crime is so high that mainstream politicians have seriously considered introducing martial law. At the same time, Swedish feminists have launched a 24/7 helpline for victims of mansplaining.

    For those of us who are not misogynists, it is painful to see mainstream feminism rebuked by its own silence. Feminists do not care about Muslim rape gangs, because lower-class brown-skinned rapists do not have anything the feminists want to take.

    Replies: @Rosie

    For those of us who are not misogynists, it is painful to see mainstream feminism rebuked by its own silence. Feminists do not care about Muslim rape gangs, because lower-class brown-skinned rapists do not have anything the feminists want to take.

    As I have pointed out elsewhere, you have to follow the shekels. The reason “feminists” don’t care about Pakistani rape gangs is because they’ve been Gelbaumed.

    https://www.noozhawk.com/article/021712_joe_guzzardi_sierra_club

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