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From The Independent (UK):
Home Office had information on Rotherham grooming gangs in 2002 but failed to act, review finds
‘How many lives could have been protected if swift action had been taken a decade before the Jay report?’ MP asks
Lizzie Dearden Home Affairs Correspondent
11 hours agoThe government received information detailing the extent of grooming gang activity in Rotherham as far back as 2002 but failed to properly act on it, a review has found.
The National Crime Agency’s ongoing investigation has revealed that more than 1,500 girls and young women may have been abused in the Yorkshire town between 1997 and 2013.
A report by Alexis Jay exposed “blatant” failures by police and the Labour-run local council, where officials feared racism accusations at the time.
The independent inquiry said an unpublished Home Office research report from 2002 described the extent of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham and a series of criticisms over the response “that should have raised concern”.
But a large-scale inquiry was not launched until after a Times report on the scale of grooming provoked a national scandal a decade later. …
Actually, it took a dozen years, until 2014, for Rotherham to surface in the press. There had plenty of evidence of a general pattern in English cities before the Rotherham report came out. I’d written about the pervasive disgrace in 2013.
Sarah Champion, the Labour MP for Rotherham, said it was “clear that the Home Office knew about child sexual exploitation in Rotherham from 2002”.
“Why, when so many in authority knew the scale and severity of this crime, did it take until 2014, with the publication of the Jay report, for a large-scale investigation to occur?” she asked. “How many lives could have been protected if swift action had been taken a decade before?”
Of course, it’s taken 4 years for this inquiry to accomplish anything. It’s almost as if the British Establishment isn’t really all that interested in the widespread problem of Pakistani pimps exploiting underage English girls and would prefer if everybody just forgot about it.
The British government was too busy lecturing foreign governments on gay rights, to have time to deal with the Rotherham crimes.
For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus
Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon
Also, you must factor in that the Labour Party is increasingly dependent on the Pakistani vote for electoral power.
Doubtless, on the ground, a myriad Pakistani local councillors and other small time political operators were ‘greasing the wheels’.
Pakistan style blatant bribery – with cash or sexual favors – of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.
It may be a tinfoil hat kind of thing, but I have to wonder if the sexual favors were supplied extensively up the food chain - far up the food chain.
And not just young girls, but young boys as well. The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.
If they aren't going to be going about the business of producing useful scientists and mathematicians as in former eras, such as Russell and the like...
Well they are so much dead weight now, aren't they? Once upon a time the Brit upper class had Balls from Hell. This current lot is utterly useless.Replies: @Art Deco
…but..but…think of the soccer.
Or in this case the curries.
In January 2004, BNP leader Nick Griffin addressed a meeting in West Yorkshire as follows. A BBC operative was in attendance recording it.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov/03/ukcrime.thefarright
The BNPs Mark Collett said
This was presented in evidence at their 2006 trial for “inciting racial hatred”.
In May 2004 Channel 4, that iconoclastic and fearless broadcaster, pulled a documentary on grooming in Bradford after West Yorkshire Police said it would “inflame racial tensions”. At the time the BNP were polling well and IIRC got a couple of Euro-MPs via proportional representation.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1
Political police? No sirree! We don’t have those!
I saw extensive reports of grooming as far back as the early 2000s. BNP politician Nick Griffin has been talking about these issues for many years, but he was generally ignored or outright demonized. So this was known for at least 15 years, probably much longer than that.
Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.
Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I’ve seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.
Here’s some data (below).
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/
Another study.
More data.
Some more data.
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherhamReplies: @JohnnyWalker123
White (20o1): 92.12%
White (2011):87.17%
White percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings:36%
Asian (2001):4.39%
Asian (2011):6.92%
Asian percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 27%
Black (2001):1.95%
Black (2011):3.01%
Black percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 16%
Disproportionate......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity
I mean, you did read this, right?
The British govt was also too busy assisting our exceptionally violent war in Iraq (which “accidentally” killed well over 1 million Iraqi civilians). Tony Blair was hugely supportive of this endeavor. The UK is now currently assisting the U.S. and Saudi Arabia in another violent war, this time in Yemen.
For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
Wonder why. I thought Whites were super “empathetic, “guilty,” “high-minded,” and eager to punish “racists.” It’s odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn’t Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn’t punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
The problem with Whites isn’t that they’re unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they’re being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.
https://youtu.be/79tBbaqvbjM
(For those who didn't see the movie or read the novel - I did both - the movie's sniper is the father of a recently-killed young British soldier in Iraq, intent on avenging his son's pointless death.)
Regards,
George Zimmerman
White Hispanic
Bush II invaded countries and allowed the USA to be invaded by aliens.He's OK.
Tony Blair invaded countries and allowed the UK to be invaded by aliens.He's OK.
Trump (so far) hasn't invaded anybody and is working to prevent aliens from invading the USA.He's a doubleplusungood crimethinker.
But Failed to Act
Perhaps that’s because it was just some guys from Oxford — many of whom will now be subject to deportation — “which is weird if you think about it”.
The Home Office is full of Pakistanis and Africans, they spend all day issuing passports in return for cash payments
I think it's great!
I think I saw it on the BNP website in 2003, maybe 2004. And it had been going on at least a couple decades by then. I remember thinking “Surely if this were true the mainstream media would cover it?!” – Of course I now know the reality is exactly the reverse. They even blamed the BNP’s coverage for refusing to report it themselves.
Of course this kind of news suppression is no worse than what happens in the USA or other countries, but our respectable print media always gave the impression of being much more varied and independent, with much more variety of political stances. Eventually I realised that the journalists working in the right wing print media were actually the same lefties working in the left wing print media; only some of the columnists were right wing and they could only publish what the editor allowed.
Doubtless, on the ground, a myriad Pakistani local councillors and other small time political operators were 'greasing the wheels'.
Pakistan style blatant bribery - with cash or sexual favors - of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.Replies: @Anonymous, @Sunbeam
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/16/labour-aims-to-boost-number-of-bame-and-women-councillors
(BAME = Black, Asian, and Minority Ethnic)
Purge of the white men.
For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus
Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon
Here’s the fate of his “former British PM Adam Lang now on trial for war crimes” (Tony Blair) character that the writer Robert Harris envisioned/hoped for in the movie version of his novel “The Ghost”:
(For those who didn’t see the movie or read the novel – I did both – the movie’s sniper is the father of a recently-killed young British soldier in Iraq, intent on avenging his son’s pointless death.)
The UK’s WASP Elites despise their non-fashionable whites at least as much as do America’s WASP Elites. To WASP Elites, non-wealthy, non-connected whites are rednecks, white trash, who are expected to be unheard and almost unseen while they live to serve the WASP Elites, and the chosen allies of the WASP Elites, as cannon fodder and tax slaves, as well as canaries in the mines.
…. and yet our managerial “elite” screams and calls us vicious names if we doubt their word. I don’t think this is just a case of “political correctness gone mad’; this fits the larger pattern. The Pakistani rape gang scandals are to British policing what the Iraq War and Afghan quagmire are to foreign policy making. Bad decisions are made, glaringly wrong policies continue to be carried out and it just rolls on and on.
Women’s Studies programs in our colleges and universities should be dumped everywhere. They are the ones who should have been on top of this situation from the beginning, but they have been quiet. More generally, they are the ones who should be the fiercest opponents of open borders, simply because of what that will mean to the most vulnerable of women in the West, but they are silent. They need to go.
However, the ideology remains influential, with the refinement that only white men are the enemy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/womens-studies-are-alive-and-well-810050.html
Yeah, well here in Canada the Minister of Immigration is a Somali gentleman by the name of Ahmed Hussen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Hussen
I think it’s great!
Rotherham Muslim Rape Gang Sponsored By Evil UK Ruling Class
The New York Times printed an opinion piece that suggested that Pakistani Muslim men were raping and brutalizing English girls because they were “isolated.”
The evil ruling class of England is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack the English people.
Mass immigration brings Islamic Terrorism to England.
Mass immigration brings Muslim Rape Gangs to England.
The answer to mass immigration is mass deportation.
Tweet from 2015:
The British class system. The girls were viewed as prole trash thus expendable. Plus fears of being called racist if they investigated Paki grooming gangs. It was not worth jeopardizing pay and promotions.
All in all pathetic and how to kill a nation and a race.
The laws weren’t enforced. It’s called selective law enforcement
This sort of case makes me want to punch the smug Left-wingers who believe labelling everyone a racist is OK because it helps defeating “institutional racism”. “Oh, conservatives think their feelings being hurt by being called out matters more than fighting institutional racism!”
No, dear Leftard, we care about this sort of thing happening because you try to make “fighting racism” more important fighting than child grooming.
Remember Rotherham When You Retaliate Against The Ruling Class!
The English voters retaliated against the evil English ruling class by voting to leave the European Union. Keep the fight going strong and stay on the march!
Evil Rats In The English Ruling Class Protected Muslim Rape Gangs
How about the above as a headline in some newspaper? Never happen with today’s controlled media. The corporate propaganda apparatus must be destroyed to restore honor and dignity to England and the United States.
Rotherham was a factor in the rise of UKIP and in the vote by the English to leave the European Union. I say English because the English vote was the determinative bloc of votes that removed the UK from the EU.
Tweets from 2015:
Doubtless, on the ground, a myriad Pakistani local councillors and other small time political operators were 'greasing the wheels'.
Pakistan style blatant bribery - with cash or sexual favors - of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.Replies: @Anonymous, @Sunbeam
“Pakistan style blatant bribery – with cash or sexual favors – of police officers handling the case also cannot be ruled out.”
It may be a tinfoil hat kind of thing, but I have to wonder if the sexual favors were supplied extensively up the food chain – far up the food chain.
And not just young girls, but young boys as well. The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.
If they aren’t going to be going about the business of producing useful scientists and mathematicians as in former eras, such as Russell and the like…
Well they are so much dead weight now, aren’t they? Once upon a time the Brit upper class had Balls from Hell. This current lot is utterly useless.
Savile wasn't the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn't have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.
Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.Replies: @Not Raul, @Hibernian
I think Blur or Oasis needed to write a song about it to get the Brits interested in the issue. The Brits tend to respond to music as a social justice tool.
This is not a winning issue for UK nationalists. Few UK women care about child molestation and rape of white women by non whites. For the elite this is a non issue and anyone (e.g., Tommy Robinson) who addresses it will be crushed to the cheers of women. Women are even protective of Muslims who throw acid in the face of women. Women will not be interested in this topic until they can gain status by doing so. Now status is gained by condemning white privilege and fostering an invasion. Men need to work on other themes.
Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov/03/ukcrime.thefarrightThe BNPs Mark Collett saidThis was presented in evidence at their 2006 trial for "inciting racial hatred".
In May 2004 Channel 4, that iconoclastic and fearless broadcaster, pulled a documentary on grooming in Bradford after West Yorkshire Police said it would "inflame racial tensions". At the time the BNP were polling well and IIRC got a couple of Euro-MPs via proportional representation.https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1
Political police? No sirree! We don't have those!Replies: @TheBoom
Problem is that there is no upside involving speaking out against rape gangs. White women hate white men who oppose them. Politicians don’t want to turn off potential voters or be called racists. “Journalists” view people who oppose rape gangs as the enemy. It is far safer and much more honored to turn a blind eye to them. No-one has ever, to my knowledge, hurt his or her career by ignoring Muslim rape and molestation gangs.
Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.
Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.
Here's some data (below).
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.Some more data.Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46
It sounds to me as if a substantial # of sex offenders are white, but they don’t create the same level of popular outrage as cross racial offenders. Part of this, I am guessing, is that humans consider (real or imagined) sexual offenses committed against their race by people of a different race particularly offensive since time immemorial. This operates in all directions – American blacks assume that all black-white sexual relations during the slavery period were the result of rape by slave masters.
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized “gangs” while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The “gang” aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular – the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.
So you are saying British society should change because of Pakistanis?
I have a better idea. No Pakistanis, and yes I personally would expel them. Not going to hold my breath on that one.
Actually if you banned further immigration, and cut off the welfare spigot from them, they'd leave on their own. Though selectively cutting off welfare based on ethnicity might be even more impossible than just expulsion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01qB-HeYV8Replies: @Jack D, @James N. Kennett
But everything gets hacked, and the parents probably voted for those in power to maintain the "gibs", even though they pimped out the kids. That seems to be how modern, nice, societies end.
After all isn't that what Pakistani parents do?
The other option is to demand Pakistanis drop retrograde attitudes towards women. But then you could be called racist!
What is left unsaid is thae the white girls wanted it
Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.
Nice try, but no one, and I mean no one, is going to believe that you have friends.
And everyone, from the bobbies on the street to the home office, was complicit at the very least. Those who tried to blow the whistle were persecuted viciously. All but the whistleblowers are guilty.
If the British people want to be rid of this plague, on their way to burn down the sharia zone they have to stop at the police station and decorate the nearby lamp posts with the people who made it all possible. Will they? It remains to be seen.
Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.
Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.
Here's some data (below).
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.Some more data.Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46
“Where offenders’ ethnicity was known, 81% of people convicted of sexual offences in 2014 were white, 7% were black and 9% were Asian in 2014.”
Only 31% of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection files have information on the suspect’s race, and only a minority of the Children’s Commissioner for England files have any information at all on the suspect (Cockbain 2013).
In the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham, there are repeatedly statements to the effect that information on race or ethnicity was deliberately omitted:
“Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.” (Jay, 2014, p. 2)
“[…] there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to ‘downplay’ the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as ‘racist’.” (Jay, 2014, p. 91)
“Those who had involvement in CSE were acutely aware of these [ethnic] issues and recalled a general nervousness in the earlier years about discussing them, for fear of being thought racist.” (Jay, 2014, p. 93)
References
Cockbain, E. (2013). Grooming and the ‘Asian sex gang predator’: the construction of a racial crime threat, Race & Class, 54, 22-32.
Jay, A. (2014). Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham 1997-2013
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306396813475983If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That'd imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.Replies: @syonredux
For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus
Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon
Kind of like sublimating tribal feelings onto feetsball and blacksketball teams, no? Direct them anywhere BUT protecting and promoting their own.
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie
“The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.”
So you are saying British society should change because of Pakistanis?
I have a better idea. No Pakistanis, and yes I personally would expel them. Not going to hold my breath on that one.
Actually if you banned further immigration, and cut off the welfare spigot from them, they’d leave on their own. Though selectively cutting off welfare based on ethnicity might be even more impossible than just expulsion.
For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus
Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon
Good to see the Brits cook the crime books just like we do in the good ol’ US!
Regards,
George Zimmerman
White Hispanic
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie
Per whistleblower John Wedger, many of them were under state-ordered care, whose operators failed to stop the girls from being pimped out. The parents were shorn of all authority.
You can have a high trust society where people are not worried about others taking advantage of their children and allowing them to roam free, but that is not what was going on here. These children were actually neglected by dysfunctional parent(s).Replies: @Mr. Rational
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie
Well no sexual relations between an enslaved person and that person’s enslaver can be considered fully consensual, although in some – and perhaps many – cases it was not 100% rape either.
For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.
Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian
it’s difficult and devastating to watch this happen. Whites here are really in the same predicament with a target on our backs. Something unexpected could come along and fix this mess but that seems unlikely.
Meanwhile Harry and his over-the-hill, once divorced, former sex scene star wife are celebrating the violent and murderous Mandela whose legacy is the genocide of white South Africans.
” … where officials feared racism accusations at the time.”
They feared being called “racists.” This will be our epitaph. The R word, the scarlet letter of our time. The label that has been weaponized to marginalize and ruin. I think we’re all aware that cultural Marxism has become a religion in the West. Elite white liberals giving away a disproportionate amount of political, corporate, and cultural power to the blacks and browns who seethe with racial hatred toward whites. Unfortunately, there is no solution. Totalitarian vibrancy is our future.
The New York Times printed an opinion piece that suggested that Pakistani Muslim men were raping and brutalizing English girls because they were "isolated."
The evil ruling class of England is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to attack the English people.
Mass immigration brings Islamic Terrorism to England.
Mass immigration brings Muslim Rape Gangs to England.
The answer to mass immigration is mass deportation.
Tweet from 2015:
https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/595286869488766976Replies: @Jay Ritchie
The New York times piece is far better than you allow for. I’ve read a fair amount by Sarfraz Mansoor (an excellent writer – Greeting From Bury Park is well worth reading) but don’t think he’s written so clearly on this subject in the British press.
Plus fears of being voted out of office by friends and relatives of Paki rapists if they enforced the laws against rape, kidnapping sex with minors assault battery great bodily injury etc etc.
The laws weren’t enforced. It’s called selective law enforcement
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie
That’s part of it. If police et al represent collective action, the people should raise up authorities that will act on their behalf.
But everything gets hacked, and the parents probably voted for those in power to maintain the “gibs”, even though they pimped out the kids. That seems to be how modern, nice, societies end.
We need a new government, Teresa May was Home Secretary for a lot of this, yet she knew nothing, I don’t think so.
We need a complete clear out of the hostile ruling elite.
Then begin the legal, sanctioned by parliament, deportations.
Waydaminit
Isn’t the class system part of the ‘true’ British national culture and therefore good? So the upper class doesn’t care for the lower orders-that’s their wonderful traditional culture:
They aren’t just quiet; they set the parameters of what women ought to protest, which means they’ve been much worse than useless.
It may be a tinfoil hat kind of thing, but I have to wonder if the sexual favors were supplied extensively up the food chain - far up the food chain.
And not just young girls, but young boys as well. The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.
If they aren't going to be going about the business of producing useful scientists and mathematicians as in former eras, such as Russell and the like...
Well they are so much dead weight now, aren't they? Once upon a time the Brit upper class had Balls from Hell. This current lot is utterly useless.Replies: @Art Deco
The British upper classes seem corrupt and venal beyond belief, as the Jimmy Savile and Max Mosely cases indicate.
Savile wasn’t the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn’t have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.
Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.
You sound like a MeTooer. Apparently sex is not “fully consensual” unless the participants sign a legal contract beforehand, so that most sex is not “FULLY” consensual. Real life is full of shades of gray. White men did not have automatic license to rape their slaves at any and all times.
For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson’s lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.
Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don’t therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid – that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.
Isn't the class system part of the 'true' British national culture and therefore good? So the upper class doesn't care for the lower orders-that's their wonderful traditional culture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHDYU1-viMReplies: @Art Deco
The people falling down on the job were social workers and police officers, very few of whom came out of the upper classes. They were reporting the Labour Party politicians. Portside politicians do not care about law enforcement and are commonly hostile to those employed in uniformed or public safety occupations. British toffs may be otiose about this sort of thing, but you see that elsewhere. About half the population of my hometown lives in an archipelago of neighborhoods which has a homicide rate of about 35 per 100,000. It goes on and on and local politicians do nothing. It’s highly unlikely they have country-club denizens complaining to them because the country club denizens live in suburbs where you might have 1 homicide a year if that.
The MacPherson report (1999) into the murder of Stephen Lawrence did not help: it declared the Metropolitan Police to be "institutionally racist", and so it deterred the investigation of all ethnic minority crimes for more than a decade afterwards. In fact, the police mishandling of the Lawrence case had little to do with racism, and a great deal to do with corruption - the father of one of the killers was a gangster with policemen on his payroll. To MacPherson, it was easier to blame "institutional racism", and screw up policing in an entire country for 15 years, than to admit the shocking truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01qB-HeYV8Replies: @Jack D, @James N. Kennett
If your children are under state-ordered care, then you, by definition, have already failed as a parent – you are an addict or alcoholic or neglectful or beat your children, etc. It may be that the state also failed but we should not expect the state to take care of our children to begin with. The root of this problem was a failed social structure that gave the predators access to these girls in the 1st place. If a shop leaves its doors unlocked at night because the shopkeeper is drunk and forgets to lock up and the neighborhood residents come and carry off the merchandise, of course the thieves are at fault and the police are at fault but the problem starts with the shopkeeper failing to fulfill his role as the guardian of his own property.
You can have a high trust society where people are not worried about others taking advantage of their children and allowing them to roam free, but that is not what was going on here. These children were actually neglected by dysfunctional parent(s).
Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.Replies: @Ozymandias, @MBlanc46
“Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.”
Nice try, but no one, and I mean no one, is going to believe that you have friends.
Either that, or start representing women’s best interests.
For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.
Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian
I suppose that’s why we need to get back to work on building that Socialist Utopia. I’m certain Whites are up to the task. Sweden had already managed it, then this guy came along and decided the Swedes needed to fix what wasn’t broken.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Dilemma
C'mon, they were doing experiments raising girls as boys and vice versa and urging men to pee sitting down - see this great TV video (with Peakstupidity commentary) which has a bright and funny interviewer named Harald Eia, from his series called "Brainwashing". I have no problem with pre-ABBA-break-up Sweden, however.
Socialism is for people who got so brainwashed in school as to forget the simple stuff they knew before kindergarten.
For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus
Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon
Dear fellow, if you read Steve’s blog, you know the reason why: Invade the world, invite the world.
Bush II invaded countries and allowed the USA to be invaded by aliens.He’s OK.
Tony Blair invaded countries and allowed the UK to be invaded by aliens.He’s OK.
Trump (so far) hasn’t invaded anybody and is working to prevent aliens from invading the USA.He’s a doubleplusungood crimethinker.
Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.
Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.
Here's some data (below).
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.Some more data.Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46
UK demographics:
White (20o1): 92.12%
White (2011):87.17%
White percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings:36%
Asian (2001):4.39%
Asian (2011):6.92%
Asian percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 27%
Black (2001):1.95%
Black (2011):3.01%
Black percentage of gang child sex exploitation rings: 16%
Disproportionate……
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity
For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.
Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian
Take your meds, champ. I apologize for triggering you.
Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.
Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.
Here's some data (below).
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.Some more data.Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46
So, the Brits are doing their best to not prosecute Blacks and Asians (Britspeak for South Asians) for rape…..
I mean, you did read this, right?
Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.
Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.
Here's some data (below).
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.Some more data.Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46
Incidentally, Johnny, what is your background?Have you declared it previously? I’ve always assumed that it’s non-European.
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie
Indeed, if white parents didn’t want their daughters to be raped they should have dressed them up in full niqabs, never let them venture outside with a male guardian and enforced strict sex segregation.
After all isn’t that what Pakistani parents do?
The other option is to demand Pakistanis drop retrograde attitudes towards women. But then you could be called racist!
You can have a high trust society where people are not worried about others taking advantage of their children and allowing them to roam free, but that is not what was going on here. These children were actually neglected by dysfunctional parent(s).Replies: @Mr. Rational
Or you’re a single dad that the lesbian CPS worker hates and she thinks your kids would be a good addition to the string that her associate is pimping out, whether or not she’s getting a cut.
You have NO idea how hateful and depraved these people can be, and too often are.
However (and again I am guessing), it appears that the S. Asian offenders operated more as part of (semi) organized "gangs" while white sexual offenders tend to be more solo operations. The "gang" aspect is again something that people find especially offensive.
The finger of blame should also be pointed at the parents (more often parent, singular - the single mother) of these girls. The Asian perpetrators did not target Asian girls because they understood that Asian parents exercise close supervision of their children (especially female children) and would never allow them to be alone with strangers, etc. in the way that these unsupervised white girls were.Replies: @Sunbeam, @Mr. Rational, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Jimi, @Rosie
It sounds to me as if you have a bit of a soft spot for these savages, Jack.
Outgroup rape is far more damaging to a woman than ingroup rape. A potential mate might well overlook the possibility that any resulting child is not biologically his, or even embrace a child he knows is not his, while an obviously mixed offspring would seriously undermine the mother’s place in the community. So yes, outgroup rape is singularly outrageous.
For some reason, Tony Blair is not being put in jail over his role in starting the Iraq War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLNiNo8tus
Wonder why. I thought Whites were super "empathetic, "guilty," "high-minded," and eager to punish "racists." It's odd that Blair (whose lies lead to the deaths and injuries of millions of Iraqis) remains free.
It remains odd that Bush remains free. Why didn't Obama extradite Bush (after the 2008 election) to an international criminal court? I thought Obama was fanatically anti-white. Isn't punishing racism a top priority for liberals?
The problem with Whites isn't that they're unwilling to be violent or savage. The problem is that they're being sent to kill random innocent people, while their enemies remain untouched. White societies have lupus.Replies: @Paul Jolliffe, @Mr. Rational, @Brutusale, @syonredux, @Anon
Omar Bashir of Sudan , and the various rulers of Nigeria , Indonesia , Turki , Pakistan etc have all gotten away with killing millions , as have many others. Its not very surprising that Tony Blair should get away with his misdeeds as well.
“Labour-run council”
There’s your answer. Pakistanis vote Labour. They didn’t want to offend future voters.
This also officially refutes a stupid excuse they floated after they got caught red handed, that they reason they didn’t crack down when first they found out was because the BNP was making a big deal of it. Now we know they knew about it well before the BNP did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01qB-HeYV8Replies: @Jack D, @James N. Kennett
The attitudes of the staff, and the general regime, at British children’s homes are beyond belief. If a staff member sees one of their 12-year-old girls getting into a car with a dark-skinned man, they do not think it is any of their business to ask any questions. They do not prevent children leaving the home at any time of day or night, but when the child phones in at 3am they are obliged to go and collect them.
And these Brits flipped out because some kids knocked over an old rock that was there before the dinosaurs.
They reported to middle-class desk jockeys, who reported to upper-middle-class senior officers, who reported to politicians. To notice this kind of crime was a career-limiting move, because it was considered racist.
The MacPherson report (1999) into the murder of Stephen Lawrence did not help: it declared the Metropolitan Police to be “institutionally racist”, and so it deterred the investigation of all ethnic minority crimes for more than a decade afterwards. In fact, the police mishandling of the Lawrence case had little to do with racism, and a great deal to do with corruption – the father of one of the killers was a gangster with policemen on his payroll. To MacPherson, it was easier to blame “institutional racism”, and screw up policing in an entire country for 15 years, than to admit the shocking truth.
Savile wasn't the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn't have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.
Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.Replies: @Not Raul, @Hibernian
It’s funny that you should mention Jeffrey Epstein given his ties to Prince Andrew. You are helping to prove the point that the British elite has a rotten core.
In the UK, Women’s Studies isn’t quite extinct, but there are few courses left and all but one are postgraduate. It was probably killed by a combination of student loans, poor job prospects and low graduate wages – in the post-Thatcher years, women somehow didn’t fancy putting “BA Women’s Studies” on the CV.
However, the ideology remains influential, with the refinement that only white men are the enemy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/higher/womens-studies-are-alive-and-well-810050.html
These pimps pimped out these girls to dozen or more guys at a time. Most of whom were middle-aged men. Most semi -respectable Paki men in England have probably abused an underage white girls at one time or another.
I would have a hard time walking around these people in an English city.
There's your answer. Pakistanis vote Labour. They didn't want to offend future voters.
This also officially refutes a stupid excuse they floated after they got caught red handed, that they reason they didn't crack down when first they found out was because the BNP was making a big deal of it. Now we know they knew about it well before the BNP did.Replies: @Almost Missouri
You are probably correct. Nevertheless, I wonder how it can be that the votes of the 2% of British who are Pakistani are so much more important that the 87% of British who are white that Labour can overlook massive rape conspiracies by the former against the latter? I know math is hard, but still. Can the Labour brain trust be even stupider than the US Stupid Party GOP brain trust that–until Trump–perpetually overlooked the 72% of American whites in favor of the 10% American Hispanics?
Using immigration to turn Britain into a nation of Labour voters is so shameful I can hardly believe ithttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-1250096/Using-immigration-turn-Britain-nation-Labour-voters-shameful-I-hardly-believe-it.htmlhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.htmlBetween 2001 and 2011, the Asian (Britspeak for South Asian) population in the UK rose 69.58%.
In the same period, the Black population rose 65.80%.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Jake, tell us how you really feel.
Were the Labour councillors afraid of being accused of racism if they took any action against the Pakis, or did they refrain from taking any action due to their actual anti-white racism?
Or in this case the curries.Replies: @MBlanc46, @James N. Kennett
If not comment of the day, at least humorous comment of the day.
The thing of it is, these guys aren’t even upper class by British standards. (And I doubt that Doolittle is among the poorest of the poor, his occupation notwithstanding. Little things like his literacy level and manner of dress.)
One assumes that they were hoping that the native British would stay asleep until the demographic transformation was complete:
Using immigration to turn Britain into a nation of Labour voters is so shameful I can hardly believe it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-1250096/Using-immigration-turn-Britain-nation-Labour-voters-shameful-I-hardly-believe-it.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
Between 2001 and 2011, the Asian (Britspeak for South Asian) population in the UK rose 69.58%.
In the same period, the Black population rose 65.80%.
It's not like Labour couldn't win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.
The Blairite "New Labour" only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism's washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it's not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because...
...because...
It doesn't really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, ... wielded primarily by gentile white people.
Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it's not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England's carcass is picked clean.Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous
Savile wasn't the issue of the British upper classes or even the salaried bourgeoisie. See Mark Steyn on that subject: he had entree because the BBC &c. were attempting to appeal to British working people who didn't have RP accents. He made a great many contacts among fancy people in Britain, but if anyone was looking the other way, it would have been salaried employees in the British media and / or salaried employees working for the National Health Service or long-term care facilities.
Not sure why the life of Max Mosely is indicative of sexual decadence among the British upper classes than Jeffrey Epstein is in the States.Replies: @Not Raul, @Hibernian
He’s ba-a-a-a-ack.
Interestingly enough, grooming has likely declined significantly in recent years. This is mostly because British youths are abandoning street culture and staying indoors much more (spending their time on social media, smartphones, gaming, tv, internet, computer, etc). This cocooning trend has also resulted in massive declines in the teen pregnancy rate, gang violence, and youth crime.
Since kids are indoors so much, there are far fewer opportunities for a groomer to meet a child or get into other types of trouble. Based on some of the evidence I've seen, it seems the grooming epidemic may have peaked about a decade ago.
Here's some data (below).
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.Some more data.Replies: @Jack D, @Peter Frost, @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux, @MBlanc46
Leave it to Johnny Walker to leap to the the defense of Paki child rapists and pimps. Sad.
So let me quote back the part that you seemed to have missed.
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.That's the problem when you skim a post without reading most of it.Replies: @syonredux
For example, in the case of Sally Hemings, the laws of France did not permit slavery, nor could Jefferson have compelled her to go back to Virginia. She (although she was supposedly a slave with no bargaining power) made a deal with Jefferson that all of her (their?) children would be freed upon adulthood (a deal that he kept) and she agreed to go back. She knew that there was no prospect, given the laws and social conditions of the time, that she could be Jefferson's lawful wife like her half-sister had been, but she and Jefferson agreed to some mutually satisfying accommodation instead (if we believe the testimony of Madison Hemings). Men and women make these kind of deals all the time and often from positions of unequal bargaining power.
Until we achieve Socialist Utopia, any two people will ALWAYS have unequal bargaining power in any interaction, sexual or otherwise, because in any social interaction one person will in some respect rank higher on the social scale than the other, but we don't therefore assume that all possible transactions are invalid - that all sales are theft, that all sex is rape, etc. Unless you are some sort of idealogue.Replies: @Rosie, @AndrewR, @Hibernian
I’ve heard the relationship began when she was 12 years old. That would be statutory rape, I think. On further thought, I’m not sure it would have been back then.
Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UKReplies: @MBlanc46, @Rosie
Men just might have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of women.
Many of my Black friends tell me that white girls are predatory and promiscuous to the point of being amusing.Replies: @Ozymandias, @MBlanc46
They were just asking for it, right, Tiny? You might want to check with your feminist comrades before you go that route.
You must’ve not read most of my post.
So let me quote back the part that you seemed to have missed.
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/
Another study.
More data.
That’s the problem when you skim a post without reading most of it.
http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherhamReplies: @JohnnyWalker123
I’ll quote back the relevant statistics.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306396813475983
If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That’d imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0306396813475983If you assume that all unidentified suspects were non-white, then Whites are a little over one third of the groomers. That'd imply British Non-Whites are about 10-12x more likely to groom than British Whites.Replies: @syonredux
Disproportionate……
So let me quote back the part that you seemed to have missed.
https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/Another study.More data.That's the problem when you skim a post without reading most of it.Replies: @syonredux
Disproportionate……
Some of these studies are showing that Blacks are extremely over represented in the grooming epidemic.
Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?
Whites will have to build a nationalist movement without the participation of misogynists.
.Edit: But that's it! No more women. Splitters!
Nationalists in the UK should look into how Italy managed to build a nationalistic coalition against being invaded and in favor of preserving their culture then figure out if it is possible to adapt that strategy to the UKReplies: @MBlanc46, @Rosie
They didn’t do it by alienating women. If you claim otherwise, where is your evidence?
Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
Blacks are nearly always over represented when it comes to violent crime:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#England_and_Wales_crime_statistics
Here’s what’s worrying the British police – a possible surge in hate crime after Brexit. Nice to see all those sex crime scandals haven’t shifted their priorities one bit.
Can anyone in the UK comment on that? Is this exclusively a South Asian Muslim problem or do Blacks have substantial involvement too?Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux
For sexual assault, the Black rate is 10.3X the White rate….
You’d get a few white lowlifes move to Chicago and go into crime. That seemed to happen in Houston during the 1970s oil boom.
Here is how the multi-millionairesss Margaret Hodge became “Minister for Children” for Labor – basically by pimping out children in “council care” to favored patrons. Islington is the famous as the home turf of the hard Left in London.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hodge
Using immigration to turn Britain into a nation of Labour voters is so shameful I can hardly believe ithttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-1250096/Using-immigration-turn-Britain-nation-Labour-voters-shameful-I-hardly-believe-it.htmlhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.htmlBetween 2001 and 2011, the Asian (Britspeak for South Asian) population in the UK rose 69.58%.
In the same period, the Black population rose 65.80%.Replies: @Almost Missouri
Probably, but is putting 87% of the electorate in play in exchange for a chance to ramp up a half-dozen percent of the coloured vote a smart political move? Like the American Dems, the white working class is more lost every week to the Labour party. Oh, and as a minor side effect, they’re destroying the country.
It’s not like Labour couldn’t win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.
The Blairite “New Labour” only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism’s washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it’s not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because…
…because…
It doesn’t really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, … wielded primarily by gentile white people.
Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it’s not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England’s carcass is picked clean.
I am speculating that there was a class angle to this: The white females were most likely of the lower classes, so the elites just wanted to ignore the problem (did not want any trouble).
AEN: OK, Rosie, but if we’re gonna let you join the People’s Front for America, you’ve got to really hate the Globalists!
Rosie: Oh, I hate the Globalists, already.
AEN: Oh, yeah, how much?
Rosie: A lot.
AEN: OK, you’re in.
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Edit: But that’s it! No more women. Splitters!
Sweden was pretty damn broken by feminism already, before the Moslem invasion. In fact, that is part of the reason FOR the Moslem invasion.
C’mon, they were doing experiments raising girls as boys and vice versa and urging men to pee sitting down – see this great TV video (with Peakstupidity commentary) which has a bright and funny interviewer named Harald Eia, from his series called “Brainwashing”. I have no problem with pre-ABBA-break-up Sweden, however.
Socialism is for people who got so brainwashed in school as to forget the simple stuff they knew before kindergarten.
I know it is breathtakingly sad, but very few British women care about what is happening. This is one reason why the country is doomed. The same applies to other countries in Western Europe.
The Swedish city of Malmo was, until recently, one of the safest cities in the world. Now it has 43% Muslim immigrants, and the rate of violent crime is so high that mainstream politicians have seriously considered introducing martial law. At the same time, Swedish feminists have launched a 24/7 helpline for victims of mansplaining.
For those of us who are not misogynists, it is painful to see mainstream feminism rebuked by its own silence. Feminists do not care about Muslim rape gangs, because lower-class brown-skinned rapists do not have anything the feminists want to take.
https://www.noozhawk.com/article/021712_joe_guzzardi_sierra_club
It's not like Labour couldn't win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.
The Blairite "New Labour" only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism's washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it's not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because...
...because...
It doesn't really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, ... wielded primarily by gentile white people.
Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it's not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England's carcass is picked clean.Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous
They were not “thinking smart”. Blair aide Andrew Neather explained that the purpose of mass immigration was to “make diversity irreversible” and to “rub the right’s nose in diversity”. In other words, they did it for no better reason than to annoy readers of the Daily Mail.
After all, the architects of these misbegotten policies have to live in the results too.
I would have a hard time walking around these people in an English city.Replies: @James N. Kennett
I think the actual probability is a few percent. The key figure in working this out is the number of victims per perpetrator, which is hard to establish. One study of a rape gang found a ratio of 10 to 1.
Nobody is going to shout from the rooftops that 95% of Pakistani men are innocent, because if 5% in particular towns committed these crimes, that is a staggeringly high figure – possibly 50 times more than for child rapists among the general population.
Or in this case the curries.Replies: @MBlanc46, @James N. Kennett
Or, as Douglas Murray put it, diversity has given us more beheadings and honour killings … but on the other hand it has provided a wider range of cuisine.
Okay. I understand spite as well as the next guy, but there’s spite, and there’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.
After all, the architects of these misbegotten policies have to live in the results too.
It is probably much higher than 5%.
According to Wikipedia, there were about 9000 “Asians” (=Pakistanis) in the Rotherham school district. Half of those should be men, so 4500. Maybe a little over half of those are post-pubescent and pre-impotence age, so about 2500 men of an age able to commit a sex crime.
According to news stories, the Rotherham grooming gang victims were pimped to “hundreds” of men.
So … “hundreds” means at least 200 but probably more. The minimalist assumption is that it was exactly the same hundreds raping each of the 1500 victims. It is more likely that the rapists formed partly overlapping and partly non-overlapping circles of abuse. So the number of rapists among the 2500 or so eligible men is at least 200 but almost certainly more, very possibly much more. “Hundreds” could mean up to 999, and semi-overlapping abuses circle can make the number as high as 999^2.
Do the math and … somewhere between 8% and 100% of the Rotherham’s eligible “Asians” were among the rapists. What’s the highest likelihood within that range? Maybe 20% to 40%: above the absolute minimum but doesn’t require overlapping circle math. And the media pattern with these rape gangs has been that whatever the officials admit to at any point, the unadmitted reality is worse. They are admitting to an absolute minimum of 8%…
I keep hearing that Rotherham is not unusual, it just happened to be the first exposed grooming gang town. Every time someone dares to turn over a stone: Telford, Oxford, … another grooming gang inconveniently appears.
If 5% is staggeringly high, what is 20%? Or 40%?
One term for it might be “organized genocide”, which I think we can agree would be the description were the ethnicities reversed.
Another term for it might be “legitimate grounds for deportation and expulsion”, but somehow I don’t think we’ll hear that. Better a thousand English girls raped than one innocent Mirpuri go home to Mirpur.
It's not like Labour couldn't win elections in the 20th century. Maggie Thatcher humiliated them for a dozen years after they became too fat, dumb and happy to stay in office, but they got the Commons back in the 1990s and held it without too much difficulty.
The Blairite "New Labour" only came to dominate the post-Thatcher years thanks to Thatcherism's washing away of the old Labour guard. Tony and his fellow-travellers would never have come up under the old Labour regime. So it's not like New Labour had to fix the electorate to have power. They actually owed their rise to the old electorate. They just trashed it because...
...because...
It doesn't really make sense as an electoral gambit or as a self-interest play or as a feat of idealism. The only explanation with any power is white-hatred, ... wielded primarily by gentile white people.
Maybe Presbyterians vs. Episcopalians? But it's not like any of them are really serious about religion. And all those imported voters can easily go north of the border once England's carcass is picked clean.Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Anonymous
Money is as important as votes, and the Labour Party is no longer funded by the union dues of ordinary working people. This was one of the changes that Blair brought about. However, cutting itself off from the unions made the party financially dependent on wealthy individuals and corporate donors – groups that typically want more immigration.
Also, which corporations donate to get more immigration to the UK? The overwhelming majority of Mirpuris, who disproportionately make up immigrants to the UK, do not work for large corporations, so they would not seem to help drive down corporate wages. Indeed, many seem not to work at all, merely absorbing government transfer payments that might otherwise have gone to natives or stayed with the taxpayers (such as those corporations), so this kind of immigration would seem to drive UP corporate costs, not DOWN. Or maybe it is just another case of mismatch between what the donors think they will get vs. what they actually get?
Was Labour’s end of funding via union dues caused by the unions or by the party?
Also, which corporations donate to get more immigration to the UK? The overwhelming majority of Mirpuris, who disproportionately make up immigrants to the UK, do not work for large corporations, so they would not seem to help drive down corporate wages. Indeed, many seem not to work at all, merely absorbing government transfer payments that might otherwise have gone to natives or stayed with the taxpayers (such as those corporations), so this kind of immigration would seem to drive UP corporate costs, not DOWN. Or maybe it is just another case of mismatch between what the donors think they will get vs. what they actually get?
As I have pointed out elsewhere, you have to follow the shekels. The reason “feminists” don’t care about Pakistani rape gangs is because they’ve been Gelbaumed.
https://www.noozhawk.com/article/021712_joe_guzzardi_sierra_club