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David Brock

From the Los Angeles Times:

Be nice to Hillary Clinton online — or risk a confrontation with her super PAC

By Evan Halper

When the Internet’s legions of Hillary hecklers steal away to chat rooms and Facebook pages to vent grievances about Clinton, express revulsion toward Clinton and launch attacks on Clinton, they now may find themselves in a surprising place – confronted by a multimillion dollar super PAC working with Clinton.

Hillary Clinton’s well-heeled backers have opened a new frontier in digital campaigning, one that seems to have been inspired by some of the Internet’s worst instincts. Correct the Record, a super PAC coordinating with Clinton’s campaign, is spending some $1 million to find and confront social media users who post unflattering messages about the Democratic front-runner.

In effect, the effort aims to spend a large sum of money to increase the amount of trolling that already exists online.

The plan comes as Clinton operatives grapple with the reality that her supporters just aren’t as engaged and aggressive online as are her detractors inside and outside the Democratic Party.

The lack of engagement is one of Clinton’s bigger tactical vulnerabilities, particularly when compared with rivals like Donald Trump, whose viral social media attacks are legion, and Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is backed by a passionate army of media-savvy millennials.

Some experts on digital campaigns think the idea of launching a paid army of “former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers” and others to produce online counterattacks is unlikely to prove successful. Others, however, say Clinton has little choice but to try, given the ubiquity of online assaults and the difficulty of squelching even provably untrue narratives once they have taken hold.

At the same time, however, using a super PAC to create a counterweight to movements that have sprung up organically is another reflection of the campaign’s awkwardness with engaging online, digital pros said.

“It is meant to appear to be coming organically from people and their social media networks in a groundswell of activism, when in fact it is highly paid and highly tactical,” said Brian Donahue, chief executive of the consulting firm Craft Media/Digital.

“That is what the Clinton campaign has always been about,” he said. “It runs the risk of being exactly what their opponents accuse them of being: a campaign that appears to be populist but is a smokescreen that is paid and brought to you by lifetime political operatives and high-level consultants.”

The task force designed to stop the spread of online misinformation and misogyny is the brainchild of David Brock, a Clinton confidant who once made a career of spreading such misinformation and misogynistic attacks against her and Bill Clinton. His critics say he kept his taste for dirty tricks when he switched sides to become one of the Clintons’ most valued operatives. …

You know … for kids!

When actor Tim Robbins was confronted on Twitter after making the dubious assertion that election fraud is robbing Sanders of votes, he accused tweeters who challenged him of being paid shills for Brock. Within an hour, he had directed a variation of the same message at 88 different tweeters:

“Dear @CorrectRecord operatives, Thank you for following today’s talking points. Your check is in the mail. Signed, @davidbrockdc”

Those independent tweeters who challenged Robbins were not on Brock’s payroll. Correct the Record is not paying activists outside the organization to send messages, although it is arming them with instructions, talking points and postable infographics.

But the Robbins response confirmed a well-established rule of social media: The kind of confrontations Correct the Record is manufacturing almost never win converts.

Social media scholars say that’s not necessarily a problem.

“It will get the people already supporting Hillary Clinton riled up and more excited,” said Filippo Menczer of the Center for Complex Networks and Systems Research at Indiana University, who researches how and why misinformation takes hold on social media.

That was my conclusion back in 2013 when commenting on an Israeli article about Israel’s elaborate hasbara program:

Although this Israeli system has been widely rumored to be operative for years, my first thought was that this didn’t sound very cost-effective. After all, plenty of people, some of them quite talented writers, like to comment for free.

On the other hand, this should allow the Netanyahu government to systematically identify and evaluate its verbalist supporters at an early age, and then reward the ones it likes most.

The Russian government has set up a hasbara system similar to Israel’s. America, in contrast, has lots of Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police.

 
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  1. It is time for you to turn over a new leaf Steve. Come to the light. Get on the right side of history.

    Stop this racism, Steve. Stop this chauvinist, sexist, misogynist thinking and blogging.

    Collect some of that sweet, sweet Goldman and Qatari cash, Steve.

    http://youtu.be/26-VzfBZg1w

    • Replies: @AndyBoy
    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.

    Oh I think she truly hates men if that is an ideology. Even if she did briefly experiment with heterosexuality with one Bill Clinton long ago.
    , @Olorin
    Maw Clinton, again.

    I thought my disgust with this creature had peaked. Then Johnny Walker over in the Stephen Miller thread (comment 9)...

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/stephen-miller-discusses-trump-speech-with-tapper-blitzer/

    ...posted this video with this still:

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/b-haK9aaoLM

    (Carefully cropped from the frame is the big microphone Kaine is holding in his left hand, though you can see it in the embedded vid in Johnny's comment.)

    I apply to this captured spontaneous moment the Erving Goffmanesque analysis so popular among Studies Studies feminists:

    She displays--quite naturally and instinctively--ritualized subordination, licensed withdrawal, deferential posture, object-of-attention, gooshy female reactions/behaviors, and the proto-seductive upper-arm-to-chest body contact.

    This woman reacts like this to a younger man gazing down at her, waving a big mic.

    This woman wants control of America's nuclear arsenal.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Mephostophiles it is so nice to see you make a direct appeal, instead of your usual approach of using trolls.
  2. OT (a World War T “Operation”)

    Nickelodeon’s ‘Loud House’ to Feature Married Gay Couple

    The children’s TV network will introduce a bi-racial gay couple on the animated show “The Loud House.”

    I guess ‘white bread’ homosexuality is too yesterday — it has to be “bi-racial”.

    • Replies: @Zachary Latif
    It's interesting how the white man (in the loud coup) is the obvious "mother" of Clyde.

    It ties in with the previous Updike article (where at least he won't be cursing his half-Kenyan children with his unadulterated genome but instead giving them an Obamesque makeover) where stale pale male is some sort of anathema (until they demographically wither away into obscurity).

    It's amazing to see the dysgenic qualities of the modern global order where the Hi-Low classes breed so much faster and effectively than the white bread (and white rice) middle masses. An end to the post War middle class order of the world, which technically was fatally undermined by the repeal of the Glass-Steagal act by President Clinton in 1999.

    Why we need another President Clinton in 2016 - http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazette-op-ed-commentaries/20160724/paula-dwyer-republicans-scary-plan-to-restore-glass-steagall
  3. Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn’t he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    • Replies: @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    , @Maj. Kong
    Bernie Sanders is not what we would call a: rational actor. His campaign was more of a barnstorming tour for socialism, rather than a serious candidacy.

    Consider that for the first time since Debs, a socialist was a major contender for President. The stigma of the USSR is gone for millennials.

    Despite the Bern's tenuous relationship with the Democratic Party, he's not going to undermine the left's pain train of identity politics. A Trump presidency is the closest any of us have ever dreamed of reaching an immigration shutdown.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn’t he expressed outrage...?"
     
    Because he's already folded like the cheap tent he always was.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Bernie is probably the worst politician to ever appear on the American political stage. He had one opportunity after another to torpedo Hillary Clinton and he wasted them all. In his complete lack of talent and his wooden obliviousness to the same, he is the William Topaz McGonagall of transnational socialism.

    But the Bernie Bros---who are currently picking up the pieces of their sweet, shattered dream---will quickly come to the conclusion that they were stabbed in the back by their oafish candidate and will find themselves repeating along with Donald Trump that the system is rigged. Trump will pick up some voters from this group, and the rest of them who do not vote for Trump will at any rate not vote for Hillary either.

    The Clinton campaign is imploding. The media will keep it on life support all the way through the election of course, but I have a real sense that Trump is going to win this thing quite handily. I'm not ready to use the term "landslide" yet, but things are moving in that direction.
    , @Grandpa Jack
    I find it interesting that the leaked DNC emails show there were plans to smear Trump with worse lies than for Sanders, but nearly all of the MSM is completely ignoring that.
    , @e
    Bern is a wimp, that's why. Did you see how he allowed those two loud mouths from BLM to take his mike in Seattle?

    To those who even begin to suggest he's been brave in fighting the PTB of the Dem Party, yeah, suuuure: what the hell did he have to lose? He's never had ANY power as an independent from Vermont. NEVER. This campaign is the most fun he's ever had in politics and he's garnered more attention than he ever thought possible.

    No one his after-college commune wanted to kick him out because all he did was talk at them rather than work.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Donald Trump weighs in on this:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/757205678821928960
  4. In this cyber-age it’s not hard to create virtual reality.

    What’s hard for Hillary is creating virtuous reality.

  5. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2012/10/china%E2%80%99s-paid-trolls-meet-50-cent-party

    When you look what the establishment like Brock is doing here, it gives me new appreciation for the inanity of /pol/ and friends.

  6. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn't he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I’ve always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Maybe. The ability to adapt one's accent may seem like a sign of intelligence for those of us who are skilled at doing so, and I don't think Bernie is exactly brilliant, but I doubt there's a perfect correlation.
    , @Jack D
    Accents have little to do with intelligence. Feynman sounded very much like Bernie.

    On the other hand, there are actors and news readers who sound like the voice of God himself and yet who do not have a single brain cell.
    , @International Jew

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent
     
    Nothing over the top about it. Just crash a bar mitzvah sometime in NY or Boca Raton and sit with the over-sixty people.

    In my family, a common dinner table topic now is, who among our relatives and friends most sounds like Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump?
    , @oddsbodkins
    Watch a few videos of Richard Feynman speaking to disabuse yourself of this notion.
    , @Cwhatfuture
    Bernie is not intelligent and he is badly educated. He believes he can recreate the social structure 1966 Sweden with the demographics of 2016 America. He seems to have no idea that America does not resemble Vermont any longer.

    But what a difference between Trump and Hillary. She barely won with the full weight of the DNC behind her. Trump crushed his opposition with the full weight of the GOP establishment against him.

    And speaking of weight. Did Hillary pick Kaine so she would not look overweight by comparison?
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Saw that - it's his campaign manager, not him.

    Re Bernie's intelligence: he went to the University of Chicago. Jack D mentions Feynman's accent. There are plenty of videos of him speaking on YouTube.
    , @carol
    Michael Savage used to do a pretty funny impression of his speaking stye, and called him a schmendrick who should be the one putting the pickles on the sandwiches in a Brooklyn deli.

    Takes another NY Jew to know one, I guess.
  7. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn't he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    Bernie Sanders is not what we would call a: rational actor. His campaign was more of a barnstorming tour for socialism, rather than a serious candidacy.

    Consider that for the first time since Debs, a socialist was a major contender for President. The stigma of the USSR is gone for millennials.

    Despite the Bern’s tenuous relationship with the Democratic Party, he’s not going to undermine the left’s pain train of identity politics. A Trump presidency is the closest any of us have ever dreamed of reaching an immigration shutdown.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    What a ridiculously ignorant comment. Bernie wants the US to be like Sweden not the USSR.

    It is true that Cuck Bernie has let himself be derailed by the identity politics wing of the left.
    , @Wally
    I wonder if the stigma of Venezuela is gone for millennials.
  8. @wren
    It is time for you to turn over a new leaf Steve. Come to the light. Get on the right side of history.

    Stop this racism, Steve. Stop this chauvinist, sexist, misogynist thinking and blogging.

    Collect some of that sweet, sweet Goldman and Qatari cash, Steve.

    http://youtu.be/26-VzfBZg1w

    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.

    Oh I think she truly hates men if that is an ideology. Even if she did briefly experiment with heterosexuality with one Bill Clinton long ago.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    HenryHawk wrote:

    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.
     
    I was talking with my kids today about what motivates politicians: I said that I thought lots of low-level hacks were motivated largely by money, but that really top-level people -- President, Secretary of State, etc. -- were motivated largely by ideology.

    But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.

    White trash never really stops being white trash.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento
    , @trutherator
    #1. Bill Clinton told a long-time lover, and she put it in a book, that she had the baby only because somebody told her it was the only way she was going to be a president some day.

    (A British paper in 1992 wrote that the big money boys told Bill back in Arkansas that they would back him, but he had to quit snorting first. Maybe that's why Jerry Brown never made that run?)

    Bill also said that she hated, hated, hated the time baby took.

    ALSO

    ALL the socialist leaders are sociopaths. And the money is for them.
  9. find and confront social media users who post unflattering messages about the Democratic front-runner.

    That would be the corrupt, lying, venal one. The one with the, massive sense of entitlement, given an extraordinary free pass on her history of divisive campaigning.

    Christopher Hitchens – everything he ever said about Hillary Clinton.

  10. A few weeks ago, I posted contradictory information on a BLM Facebook page. I also said something to the effect of “black dad’s matter,” as well as facts regarding Michael Brown. It was like a sack of hornets converging with bizarre and shrill accusations galore from regulars on the site.

    A few days ago, my Facebook account was suspended. I was informed that my account was suspended until I provided evidence that I was who I said I was. They required a scan either my driver’s license, my birth certificate, or mail of a utility bill with my name and address on it. I’ve have the account for years.

    What this means is, unless I dox myself for Facebook, so they can keep a record of me, for future use, my account cannot be cancelled, and can never be used again. All my posts, email messages, Facebook messages, photographs will remain with Facebook, as property of Facebook.

    This also means Facebook can cite me as one of their users, even though I cannot cancel the account, which I would if they’d allow it.

    This being the case, I’m hard put to figure out how Scott Zuckerberg isn’t a functional sociopath.

    This is because he seems to be saying, “if you post anything against any political theory of mine, I will dox you, so that I can have leverage over you in the future, should it ever come to that. In the meantime, what you’ve posted so far, I own and control for good.”

    Again, I didn’t post anything on the BLM pity page besides a differing opinion, as well as contradictory citations.

    • Replies: @wren
    Yikes!

    Mark Zuckerberg likes to call folks like you a "dumb fuck."

    http://m.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

    Maybe Thiel will help you file suit against him for billions.

    Or maybe you can contact writers over at Breitbart. They would probably like to cover it. Once they do, Drudge can link.
    , @BB753
    I post all kinds of chauvinist, sexist, mysoginist and racist stuff on my FB page and I'm still waiting for the FBI to knock on my door.
    When I troll leftists sites, I make sure to report each and every asshole who calls me names. So far, it works.
    , @Luke Ford
    I just got a 24-hour ban from Facebook for reposting a tweet by Ricky Vaughn that suggested the hashtag #freethefaggot on behalf of Milo.

    I also got in trouble for posting a photoshopped picture of Donald Trump with the words, "Get in faggot, we're making America great again." Both of these posts were deleted by Facebook.

    Other than that, I haven't had trouble on social media because I never argue with anyone. I say my thing on my page but I don't go into combat with others. I always use my real name on social media and on my blogs.

    I don't argue with people in real life either. I use some judgment before sharing my opinions in person, otherwise they are reserved for my blog posts. As a result, I go through life with almost no conflict, no rancor, no bitterness, and no resentment.

    Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor are excellent models of deportment.

  11. Tim Robbins is the only left-wing celebrity whom I respect. He’s a gifted actor and, I think, a man of some integrity.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he's pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he's pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.
    , @Karl
    > He’s a gifted actor

    "actors are cattle" - Alfred Hitchcock
  12. @yowza
    A few weeks ago, I posted contradictory information on a BLM Facebook page. I also said something to the effect of "black dad's matter," as well as facts regarding Michael Brown. It was like a sack of hornets converging with bizarre and shrill accusations galore from regulars on the site.

    A few days ago, my Facebook account was suspended. I was informed that my account was suspended until I provided evidence that I was who I said I was. They required a scan either my driver's license, my birth certificate, or mail of a utility bill with my name and address on it. I've have the account for years.

    What this means is, unless I dox myself for Facebook, so they can keep a record of me, for future use, my account cannot be cancelled, and can never be used again. All my posts, email messages, Facebook messages, photographs will remain with Facebook, as property of Facebook.

    This also means Facebook can cite me as one of their users, even though I cannot cancel the account, which I would if they'd allow it.

    This being the case, I'm hard put to figure out how Scott Zuckerberg isn't a functional sociopath.

    This is because he seems to be saying, "if you post anything against any political theory of mine, I will dox you, so that I can have leverage over you in the future, should it ever come to that. In the meantime, what you've posted so far, I own and control for good."

    Again, I didn't post anything on the BLM pity page besides a differing opinion, as well as contradictory citations.

    Yikes!

    Mark Zuckerberg likes to call folks like you a “dumb fuck.”

    http://m.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

    Maybe Thiel will help you file suit against him for billions.

    Or maybe you can contact writers over at Breitbart. They would probably like to cover it. Once they do, Drudge can link.

  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Well, although it doesn’t sound like they would convert people by their arguments, besides identifying the best young potential propagandists, the JIDF-esque actions do have another function:

    Information overload.

    Orwell envisioned that the ultimate police state would control all information flow and delete anything bad for the state. That may be the case. However, if you can’t control the information, and your opponent has some strong facts on their side, the next best thing is to so saturate the market with conflicting information/opinions/talking points that your opponents’ argument/facts get lost in the cacophony of “who can really know what’s true?”

    Flood the playing field so everything gets too muddy to sort out. Game gets called on account of rain. If you were losing anyway, that kind of tie is really a win.

    I remember an old Star Trek:The Next Generation episode (might have even had a guest appearance by Dr. Spock). The Bad Aliens were planning on invading Planet X via some convoluted means, and the Bad Alien Leader revealed the plans to captured Federation guys in a classic Bond Villain/Supervillain exposition .

    The plan involved the Bad Aliens sending some false information to the planet in a fake emergency scenario. The Federation guy says that Planet X was too smart and wouldn’t believe such false information. The Bad Alien guy counters: “We don’t need them to believe us. We just need them to be confused long enough to carry out our plan.”

    That’s pretty much how hasbara-type campaigns work. They don’t need you to believe their counterattacks, just to be confused as to what actually is going on via a lot of white noise and double talk until the average joe just throws up his hands and walks away. It’s how the Clintons have gotten away with a lot of their scandals: her and her changing stories and multiple different witnesses contradicting each other make it really hard to tell what happened, and the average joe loses interest.

    A good prosecutor could, in fact, make it make sense. Or it could fall apart if a defendant had an ounce of shame. Unfortunately, neither has occurred with the Clintons.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Good points about confusing people with different theories and allegations. The information genie is out of the bottle, and societies where the government could keep people in the dark are gone forever. So the only option is to confuse them with a blizzard of contradictory information. That's why I'm put off conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc. There are so many theories to choose from, most of them ludicrously implausible, and I don't have the time or the energy to sift through the rubbish to find the more reasonable ones.
    , @Jack D
    Yes, that's exactly how Russia's disinformation system works. You are not going to change the minds of true believers on the other side but you can get the people in the middle to be so disgusted with the internet that they avoid it completely.
    , @Prof. Woland
    Some sites have what I call "guard dogs". The same handful of advocates hang around and immediately appear out of the woodwork to try and counter what somebody just wrote. It is almost as if those people don't do anything else. I guess they don't.
    , @Olorin
    Most perceptive...and accurate.

    This is related to the phenomenon of "gaslighting" (as it is called) in abusive relationships.
  14. @Kylie
    Tim Robbins is the only left-wing celebrity whom I respect. He's a gifted actor and, I think, a man of some integrity.

    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he’s pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he’s pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    He did it well in The Hudsucker Proxy, although most people hate that movie.
    , @Kyle a
    Andy Fromthe shawshank reedemption would argue that he can play a cerebral role.
    , @Kyle a
    Time is pressure.....from the moment he entered prison he was in the process of digging a tunnel. Took decades to accomplish his goal. Are you sure you've watched more than the conclusion of that wonderful film?
    , @tbraton
    "Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right."

    Yeah, a really sharp criminal sentenced to life in a maximum security prison probably would have been out of there in a couple of months max. And, once out, he would have been recaptured or killed in a couple of days or weeks, but, other than that small drawback, he probably would have enjoyed his few days or weeks of freedom to the hilt, not like Robbins' character in Shawshank Redemption, who was forced to rebuild an old wooden boat on a lovely beach in Mexico.
    , @Kylie
    "Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he’s pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled."

    I take it you have not seen Arlington Road.

    And i found the tortured depths he conveyed in Jacob's Ladder and Mystic River very moving. I knew a vet who didn't come back right from Viet Nam. He got sucked deeper and deeper into a black hole of insanity and despair. The last time I saw him he had that thousand yards stare. I was truly frightened. He ODed at his own birthday party a few days later. Robbins had that same look in these two movies. A very fine actor.
    , @slumber_j
    He's pretty great in The Player.
  15. @whorefinder
    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he's pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he's pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.

    He did it well in The Hudsucker Proxy, although most people hate that movie.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    Yeah, I didn't like The Hudsucker Proxy. That was a disappointing Coen Brothers movie.
    , @whorefinder
    I actually liked Hudsucker, although you have to be in a mood for it. A nice partial homage to Capra, as well as to '30s screwball comedies. Jennifer Jason Leigh really stole it with that Rosalind Russell-esque vocal performance.

    Robbins also did well as the hayseed slob wunderkind pitcher in Bull Durham. And as the airhead-hippie who's a sexual threat to steal John Cusack's girlfriend in High Fidelity. But he just can't pull off anything that isn't a spacey/naive.
  16. Maybe this explains the recent non-sequitur post from the person who criticized Trump from a cuck perspective and then said we could look forward to losing SCOTUS to liberals. LOL.

    Hasbara FAIL!?

  17. OT again, but I note the BBC website makes no mention of the DNC/Wikileaks mails.

    The story is very hard to find on the Guardian website, too – where comments are like “A day late, short, and filled with discussion of other things besides the DNC’s efforts to undercut Bernie. Shameful, Guardian, shameful.”

    • Replies: @wren
    I was wondering if the wikileaks dump would contain something about encouraging BLM to drive more voters, but I suppose it didn't.

    That would be interesting.

    Also a shame that we haven't heard about the new journalist.

    After hearing the instant response to Trump's speech (dark, dark, dark, dark, dark) there must be one out there.
  18. Hasbara tactics may not be effective as propaganda but they may serve another purpose. By flooding comment forums with insulting ad hominem or off topic posts they discourage others from commenting or even have the comment forum shut down.

  19. @AndyBoy
    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.

    Oh I think she truly hates men if that is an ideology. Even if she did briefly experiment with heterosexuality with one Bill Clinton long ago.

    HenryHawk wrote:

    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.

    I was talking with my kids today about what motivates politicians: I said that I thought lots of low-level hacks were motivated largely by money, but that really top-level people — President, Secretary of State, etc. — were motivated largely by ideology.

    But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.

    White trash never really stops being white trash.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    "But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money."
     
    To paraphrase James Carville, the Clintons are what you get when you drag a hundred dollar Bill through a trailer park
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I have a question.

    How come the phrase "white trash" is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    In other words, why is "trash" coupled with white, when whites are pretty much responsible for a lot of good in the world in various fields of endeavors?

    That's a fair question. And, uh, don't other races and ethnicities have trash in their midsts?

    Yes, I do think that is a fair question, and one that should've been asked long time ago.
    , @Desiderius

    But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.
     
    The thirst for money is driven by the ideology that tells them all those rich people cheated, oppressed etc. to get that money in the first place. Since the Clintons on the other hand are virtuous since they care, they deserve the money more than those other people, however they happen to get it.
  20. So, now we can honestly say that there are two sorts of online supporters of Hillary: Some are getting paid for prostituting themselves. And, some just give it away for free.

    Dave

  21. Hasbara is inefficient and gets annoying quickly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Ryne_Goldberg

    Obviously a loon (as determined by prison psychologist Lisa Feldman) but he inadvertently exposed that there’s a more efficient cyber strategy than the traditional haranguing.

  22. The linked-to article explains something I was wondering about: “Super PACs are typically prohibited from working in tandem with candidates, but Correct the Record is doing just that by exploiting a loophole in campaign finance law that it says permits such coordination with digital campaigns.”

    What does this look like from the viewpoint of the hasbara hireling? How do you get hired? How much do you get paid? Can you work simultaneously for Hillary and for Donald? Are there any production quotas? Can a hasbarista achieve distinction by churning out the most Stakhanov-like output?

  23. We need a Hillary as Bethmann-Hollweg Facebook meme.

  24. It will be interesting to me to see if any of the paid commenters show up here at Unz or not.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    I'd bet a bottle of 18-year Islay they already have. Prolly our host mods them out...or lets them in selectively for our consideration.

    What pins my Crapdar in the red: their positions come across as either rationalish or emotionalish...but generally clang false. And avoid facts altogether.

    That's the problem with trying to enmerde facts with a drekstorm. It always whiffs of the brown stuff.
  25. ” Netanyahu government to systematically identify and evaluate its verbalist supporters. ”
    I thought surely Mr Steve means ” most verbal.”
    Then I realised. Mr Steve has been about. He’s hobnobbed with Lady Thatcher at the White House, and probably knows a fair amount of the goings on at Bilderberg and Davos. This is his first mention of Verbalism. Steve, can you speak about it or is it classified ?

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  26. “paid army of “former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers”

    You mean college kids being paid minimum wage if that much to be message board trolls.

    Pres Garfield’s assassin sounds like a message board troll:

    Charles Guiteau turned to politics after failing in several ventures, including theology, a law practice, bill collecting, and time in the utopian Oneida Community.

    Guiteau’s speech, even in written form, was ineffective. Among other problems, his hurried effort to replace references to Grant with references to Garfield was incomplete. But Guiteau convinced himself that this speech was largely responsible for Garfield’s narrow victory over Democratic nominee Winfield S. Hancock.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_James_A._Garfield#Background

  27. “The task force designed to stop the spread of online misinformation ….”

    Misinformation means any information the candidate and the campaign do not want the voters to hear; that can clearly include the truth.

  28. @PhysicistDave
    HenryHawk wrote:

    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.
     
    I was talking with my kids today about what motivates politicians: I said that I thought lots of low-level hacks were motivated largely by money, but that really top-level people -- President, Secretary of State, etc. -- were motivated largely by ideology.

    But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.

    White trash never really stops being white trash.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    “But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.”

    To paraphrase James Carville, the Clintons are what you get when you drag a hundred dollar Bill through a trailer park

  29. Chatrooms.

    Who still uses chat rooms? Maybe right wingers should honey pot these Dems and dox them.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Who still uses chat rooms? Maybe right wingers should honey pot these Dems and dox them.
     
    A/S/L?
  30. @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    Maybe. The ability to adapt one’s accent may seem like a sign of intelligence for those of us who are skilled at doing so, and I don’t think Bernie is exactly brilliant, but I doubt there’s a perfect correlation.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    There may be a correlation but it's orthogonal. Some people are great with accents, others not so, kind of forcing the world to adapt to them rather than the other way around. E.g. Kissinger left Germany as a boy and still has a strong accent. I would not want to argue the case that Kissinger is anything less than exceptionally intelligent.

    I just watched part of a youtube clip on Kissinger talking ISIS and Trump. Still alive and lucid, though my guess is he'd now need something a little stronger than power for an aphrodisiac.
  31. @Maj. Kong
    Bernie Sanders is not what we would call a: rational actor. His campaign was more of a barnstorming tour for socialism, rather than a serious candidacy.

    Consider that for the first time since Debs, a socialist was a major contender for President. The stigma of the USSR is gone for millennials.

    Despite the Bern's tenuous relationship with the Democratic Party, he's not going to undermine the left's pain train of identity politics. A Trump presidency is the closest any of us have ever dreamed of reaching an immigration shutdown.

    What a ridiculously ignorant comment. Bernie wants the US to be like Sweden not the USSR.

    It is true that Cuck Bernie has let himself be derailed by the identity politics wing of the left.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    You inferred too much, I did not claim that Sanders was/is a Leninist with sympathies for the USSR. What I did say is that older generations have a negative reaction to socialism because they associate it with the USSR. Younger generations, the staunchest supporters of Sanders, don't.

    Given the current and likely future state of Sweden, the stigma against socialism will be coming back quite soon.
  32. @Anonymous
    Well, although it doesn't sound like they would convert people by their arguments, besides identifying the best young potential propagandists, the JIDF-esque actions do have another function:

    Information overload.

    Orwell envisioned that the ultimate police state would control all information flow and delete anything bad for the state. That may be the case. However, if you can't control the information, and your opponent has some strong facts on their side, the next best thing is to so saturate the market with conflicting information/opinions/talking points that your opponents' argument/facts get lost in the cacophony of "who can really know what's true?"

    Flood the playing field so everything gets too muddy to sort out. Game gets called on account of rain. If you were losing anyway, that kind of tie is really a win.

    I remember an old Star Trek:The Next Generation episode (might have even had a guest appearance by Dr. Spock). The Bad Aliens were planning on invading Planet X via some convoluted means, and the Bad Alien Leader revealed the plans to captured Federation guys in a classic Bond Villain/Supervillain exposition .

    The plan involved the Bad Aliens sending some false information to the planet in a fake emergency scenario. The Federation guy says that Planet X was too smart and wouldn't believe such false information. The Bad Alien guy counters: "We don't need them to believe us. We just need them to be confused long enough to carry out our plan."

    That's pretty much how hasbara-type campaigns work. They don't need you to believe their counterattacks, just to be confused as to what actually is going on via a lot of white noise and double talk until the average joe just throws up his hands and walks away. It's how the Clintons have gotten away with a lot of their scandals: her and her changing stories and multiple different witnesses contradicting each other make it really hard to tell what happened, and the average joe loses interest.

    A good prosecutor could, in fact, make it make sense. Or it could fall apart if a defendant had an ounce of shame. Unfortunately, neither has occurred with the Clintons.

    Good points about confusing people with different theories and allegations. The information genie is out of the bottle, and societies where the government could keep people in the dark are gone forever. So the only option is to confuse them with a blizzard of contradictory information. That’s why I’m put off conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc. There are so many theories to choose from, most of them ludicrously implausible, and I don’t have the time or the energy to sift through the rubbish to find the more reasonable ones.

    • Replies: @jmm
    that does not sound convincing. I think u are either timid or mentally lazy. Im a german and even i want to know what went down on 9/11
  33. @whorefinder
    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he's pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he's pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.

    Andy Fromthe shawshank reedemption would argue that he can play a cerebral role.

  34. @whorefinder
    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he's pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he's pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.

    Time is pressure…..from the moment he entered prison he was in the process of digging a tunnel. Took decades to accomplish his goal. Are you sure you’ve watched more than the conclusion of that wonderful film?

  35. @yowza
    A few weeks ago, I posted contradictory information on a BLM Facebook page. I also said something to the effect of "black dad's matter," as well as facts regarding Michael Brown. It was like a sack of hornets converging with bizarre and shrill accusations galore from regulars on the site.

    A few days ago, my Facebook account was suspended. I was informed that my account was suspended until I provided evidence that I was who I said I was. They required a scan either my driver's license, my birth certificate, or mail of a utility bill with my name and address on it. I've have the account for years.

    What this means is, unless I dox myself for Facebook, so they can keep a record of me, for future use, my account cannot be cancelled, and can never be used again. All my posts, email messages, Facebook messages, photographs will remain with Facebook, as property of Facebook.

    This also means Facebook can cite me as one of their users, even though I cannot cancel the account, which I would if they'd allow it.

    This being the case, I'm hard put to figure out how Scott Zuckerberg isn't a functional sociopath.

    This is because he seems to be saying, "if you post anything against any political theory of mine, I will dox you, so that I can have leverage over you in the future, should it ever come to that. In the meantime, what you've posted so far, I own and control for good."

    Again, I didn't post anything on the BLM pity page besides a differing opinion, as well as contradictory citations.

    I post all kinds of chauvinist, sexist, mysoginist and racist stuff on my FB page and I’m still waiting for the FBI to knock on my door.
    When I troll leftists sites, I make sure to report each and every asshole who calls me names. So far, it works.

  36. @AndyBoy
    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.

    Oh I think she truly hates men if that is an ideology. Even if she did briefly experiment with heterosexuality with one Bill Clinton long ago.

    #1. Bill Clinton told a long-time lover, and she put it in a book, that she had the baby only because somebody told her it was the only way she was going to be a president some day.

    (A British paper in 1992 wrote that the big money boys told Bill back in Arkansas that they would back him, but he had to quit snorting first. Maybe that’s why Jerry Brown never made that run?)

    Bill also said that she hated, hated, hated the time baby took.

    ALSO

    ALL the socialist leaders are sociopaths. And the money is for them.

  37. “The Russian government has set up a hasbara system similar to Israel’s. America, in contrast, has lots of Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police.”

    We’ve got several here who are well known to all your readers. It wouldn’t really surprise me to find some or all of them are ’50 cent party’ fellas working for some liberal organization/individual, like the Soros trans*boy brigade.

    When I was at Rutgers, I saw a number of advertisements posted for paid social activist positions, though not specifically for online spots. Libs have to fake the grassroots aspect of so many of their positions, because they’re not really anywhere near as popular among the masses as the media would have you believe- its all superficial posturing “a mile wide and an inch deep” as the saying goes.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    its all superficial posturing “a mile wide and an inch deep” as the saying goes.
     
    Exactly right!

    In UK politics/media there are various talking heads who are billed as internet savvy types when seen on TV or interviewed on the radio. But when you visit their blogs, Twitter, Youtube channels it's a wasteland, few views, few comments (if any), most of them crap. The alt-right equivalents are powerhouses by comparison, except of course that none of their big players will be allowed within 6 million miles of TV or radio.

    I'm thinking of people like Owen Jones and Laurie Penny.
    , @stillCARealist
    This is always on my mind when I hear the news talking about the latest poll that has same sex marriage just being approved by more and more people. "support is up to 65%", they'll intone out breathlessly. Yeah, right. I don't trust any of these numbers for crap.
  38. @whorefinder
    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he's pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he's pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.

    “Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.”

    Yeah, a really sharp criminal sentenced to life in a maximum security prison probably would have been out of there in a couple of months max. And, once out, he would have been recaptured or killed in a couple of days or weeks, but, other than that small drawback, he probably would have enjoyed his few days or weeks of freedom to the hilt, not like Robbins’ character in Shawshank Redemption, who was forced to rebuild an old wooden boat on a lovely beach in Mexico.

  39. “It runs the risk of being exactly what their opponents accuse them of being: a campaign that appears to be populist but is a smokescreen that is paid and brought to you by lifetime political operatives and high-level consultants.”

    Actually, it doesn’t so much “run the risk” as prove the point.

  40. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn't he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    “Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn’t he expressed outrage…?”

    Because he’s already folded like the cheap tent he always was.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Because he’s already folded like the cheap tent he always was.
     
    I met Bernie Sanders one night in an airport, one-on-one, about 8 years ago. He is intense and exactly the same in person as what you see on TV. You could engage him in political discussion and he'd treat you like it was Face the Nation. Ron Paul was like this as well. I've met about 500 Congressional politicians and very few are like this. I recall Seymour Hersh was like this as well. Most politicians are very cordial but they were, well, politicians (smarmy salesmen).

    OT: Obama's half-brother in Kenya is registered to vote in Maryland and will be coming to the U.S. in November to vote for Trump. http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/
  41. @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    Accents have little to do with intelligence. Feynman sounded very much like Bernie.

    On the other hand, there are actors and news readers who sound like the voice of God himself and yet who do not have a single brain cell.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    Yes Feynman did sound working class, the German born physicist Hans Bethe said Feynman talked like a bum.
    , @Santoculto
    Exactly

    Based on its logic east Asians are on avg dumb and black Africans are geniuses...

    I have the theory that some people with language challenge like stuttering need to learn to talk with "emotional emphasis". Seems among stutters and people who are borderline in language challenges tend to mask or learn to mask their deficits talking with emotion, it explain why most of stutters don't stutter when they are singing. The rhythm of speech in non-stutter people is not directly connected with "emotion". So they can talk without any emotional emphasis. In other hand stutter people seems tend to have a direct connection between their speech and emotion "center" ( neurobio-primitively speaking, I'm not a expert in neuroscience of course) in the way they can't talk without use the emotion, the ideal to the stutter people is to talk with some "emotional rhythm" if to act is near to sing.

    Many Ashkenazis seems have this trends to talk putting greater emotional emphasis, I mean, they talk with body, similar to the Italians who tend to talk with its hands.

    Seems that a lot of Jews not just European ones tend to be very good talkatives. Seems the genes to the stuttering is common among them.

    Stuttering look like a over-social-self awareness and a one study that I saw found a correlation between higher "intelligence" and stuttering.

    Jewish intelligence evolved around language/verbal specialties but the real function to the "verbal" intelligence is to know/understand the reality. Words is a clothes to the real body, the reality.

    The great problem is that for most of human beings the only reality that exist is the human/cultural reality.

    The increase of intelligence seems is related to the reduce of instinct. And less instinct also may mean "less self confident/ego".

    So a lot of cognitively smart people become naturally vulnerable to learn what other people want they learn while instinct usually tend to reduce this domesticated vulnerability, instinctive people are more self-centered. The habitable zone to the wisdom is always in the middle of this spectrum.
    , @yowza
    George Stephenopolous needs a refresher course on the history of presidential elections, as well as ethics in Journalism.

    Otherwise he'll likely continue to allow hysterical nut jobs like Keith Ellison recite "facts," such as the claim that George Wallace had been a Republican presidential candidate, slide on by, as he did here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APlgEmnIHqM
    , @Cryptogenic
    True. I think the correlation between verbal abilities and IQ means thinking on your feet, which jibes with the definition of IQ as what you do when you don't know what to do. Look at what happens when Obama is without a teleprompter. It's like slamming on the brakes.

    I liken sounding smart to being able to zombie your way through math problems without understanding the intuition behind them. Something 90ish IQ people can do. Effective miming.
    , @Glossy
    I think that smart people of prole backgrounds overwhelmingly tend to lose their accents. Feynman was a famous exception, Lennon and McCartney another. Feynman had a mischivous streak in him. He enjoyed playing with people's expectations. A genius talking like an outer borough shoe salesman - that must have seemed so much fun to him.
  42. @Anonymous
    Well, although it doesn't sound like they would convert people by their arguments, besides identifying the best young potential propagandists, the JIDF-esque actions do have another function:

    Information overload.

    Orwell envisioned that the ultimate police state would control all information flow and delete anything bad for the state. That may be the case. However, if you can't control the information, and your opponent has some strong facts on their side, the next best thing is to so saturate the market with conflicting information/opinions/talking points that your opponents' argument/facts get lost in the cacophony of "who can really know what's true?"

    Flood the playing field so everything gets too muddy to sort out. Game gets called on account of rain. If you were losing anyway, that kind of tie is really a win.

    I remember an old Star Trek:The Next Generation episode (might have even had a guest appearance by Dr. Spock). The Bad Aliens were planning on invading Planet X via some convoluted means, and the Bad Alien Leader revealed the plans to captured Federation guys in a classic Bond Villain/Supervillain exposition .

    The plan involved the Bad Aliens sending some false information to the planet in a fake emergency scenario. The Federation guy says that Planet X was too smart and wouldn't believe such false information. The Bad Alien guy counters: "We don't need them to believe us. We just need them to be confused long enough to carry out our plan."

    That's pretty much how hasbara-type campaigns work. They don't need you to believe their counterattacks, just to be confused as to what actually is going on via a lot of white noise and double talk until the average joe just throws up his hands and walks away. It's how the Clintons have gotten away with a lot of their scandals: her and her changing stories and multiple different witnesses contradicting each other make it really hard to tell what happened, and the average joe loses interest.

    A good prosecutor could, in fact, make it make sense. Or it could fall apart if a defendant had an ounce of shame. Unfortunately, neither has occurred with the Clintons.

    Yes, that’s exactly how Russia’s disinformation system works. You are not going to change the minds of true believers on the other side but you can get the people in the middle to be so disgusted with the internet that they avoid it completely.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    A couple months ago the Taki's comments became little more than two or three new people constantly accusing established regulars of being hasbara. It got tiresome quickly.

    In fact now that I think about it that's how I ended up here -- because the comments are moderated. It's almost like we need a border and some enforcement to have nice things?

    There's a metaphor in there somewhere...
    , @inertial
    That's pretty funny coming from someone who's been accused of being a Hasbara agent.
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    Yes, the Russians played that game in recent years with the murder of Nemtsov and the shooting-down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine.

    One tactic for working one's way through the confusion of misinformation is to look for the explanation that is NOT being heavily promoted - look for what ISN'T there, rather than what is being pushed at you.

    For example, none of the many planted hypotheses about Nemtsov's murder discussed the possibility that Putin had ordered him murdered.

  43. @whorefinder
    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he's pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he's pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.

    “Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he’s pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled.”

    I take it you have not seen Arlington Road.

    And i found the tortured depths he conveyed in Jacob’s Ladder and Mystic River very moving. I knew a vet who didn’t come back right from Viet Nam. He got sucked deeper and deeper into a black hole of insanity and despair. The last time I saw him he had that thousand yards stare. I was truly frightened. He ODed at his own birthday party a few days later. Robbins had that same look in these two movies. A very fine actor.

  44. @whorefinder
    Robbins is a good director, but as an actor he's pretty one note: he can only play the simple-minded huckleberry who gets bamboozled. After that he's pretty bad. And Shawshank was just a variation on this: the naive-minded accountant bamboozled by a system he thought was fair. Takes him decades to figure out how to make it right.

    He’s pretty great in The Player.

    • Agree: Kylie
  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    "Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn’t he expressed outrage...?"
     
    Because he's already folded like the cheap tent he always was.

    Because he’s already folded like the cheap tent he always was.

    I met Bernie Sanders one night in an airport, one-on-one, about 8 years ago. He is intense and exactly the same in person as what you see on TV. You could engage him in political discussion and he’d treat you like it was Face the Nation. Ron Paul was like this as well. I’ve met about 500 Congressional politicians and very few are like this. I recall Seymour Hersh was like this as well. Most politicians are very cordial but they were, well, politicians (smarmy salesmen).

    OT: Obama’s half-brother in Kenya is registered to vote in Maryland and will be coming to the U.S. in November to vote for Trump. http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "He is intense and exactly the same in person as what you see on TV."
     
    OK. I hereby amend to

    "Because he’s already folded like the intense cheap tent he always was."

  46. @Steve Sailer
    He did it well in The Hudsucker Proxy, although most people hate that movie.

    Yeah, I didn’t like The Hudsucker Proxy. That was a disappointing Coen Brothers movie.

  47. @PhysicistDave
    HenryHawk wrote:

    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.
     
    I was talking with my kids today about what motivates politicians: I said that I thought lots of low-level hacks were motivated largely by money, but that really top-level people -- President, Secretary of State, etc. -- were motivated largely by ideology.

    But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.

    White trash never really stops being white trash.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    I have a question.

    How come the phrase “white trash” is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    In other words, why is “trash” coupled with white, when whites are pretty much responsible for a lot of good in the world in various fields of endeavors?

    That’s a fair question. And, uh, don’t other races and ethnicities have trash in their midsts?

    Yes, I do think that is a fair question, and one that should’ve been asked long time ago.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    I've always taken the term "white trash" to be something of a compliment to White people. Our race alone must specifically denominate our undesirable element as the trash, with the implication being that in general Whites are usually non-trashy. On the other hand, negative connotations attach by default to other races, where the onus is on the individual to prove that they don't pertain to him personally.
    , @Jean Cocteausten
    The original epithet was "poor white trash." The poor part is now left off because it deflects blame.

    "White trash" is a holdover from when people believed each trashy group was trashy in its own peculiar cultural idiom. There are well-known equivalent terms for the trashy elements of other races. White dysfunction sort of centered around drunkenness, whereas black dysfunction centered around violent crime. Low-class Mexicans were very lazy unless they were having a knife fight. I take no position on the validity or invalidity of these beliefs. I only contend that they were once common but no longer are.
    , @YT Wurlitzer
    Yes, it's a fair question. Along with saying whites are lazy and stupid, it's not ending bigotry, it's race substitution. Well, of course not the Good ones, just the Bad Whites.

    Always helps to substitute Obama for Bill and try, "He'd still be lazy, stupid black trash."

    The thing is, after having spent years doing genealogical research in this gene pool's history, I conclude we should respect their ability to cling to little more than their own bare lives. They came here, voluntarily or not, fleeing poverty, starvation and exploitation. They survived famines and purges in the homeland and came here asking only to be left alone. If black slavery and African realities gave us the black athlete of today, then the story of poor whites in Europe gave us the poor white super-survivor we see today. Trailer trash will be alive after cock roaches are gone. We should have a little respect.
    , @yowza

    How come the phrase “white trash” is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?
     
    I suppose the term "white" is an inherently neutral description, whereas a specific ethnicity can usually imply a typical behavior set.

    In NYC, "he's just an Irish N-word" is still a popular descriptive to denote lowbrow behavior of some men of Irish descent, beyond the love of alcohol and/or the moderately aggressive behavior they're known for. You become an Irish N-word when you steal someone's watch, or beat your wife bloody. Otherwise you're just Irish.
  48. The US has a surplus of volunteer thought-crime cops. However, I’d be very surprised if we didn’t have some paid professionals hired to cruise the internet. Other countries have them so probably we do too.

  49. • Replies: @Whiskey
    I'm not the only one. Obama is not a cultural American. If he had lost? This is the guy backing BLM after all. And libs are calling for an anti Trump coup.
  50. @Anonymous
    Well, although it doesn't sound like they would convert people by their arguments, besides identifying the best young potential propagandists, the JIDF-esque actions do have another function:

    Information overload.

    Orwell envisioned that the ultimate police state would control all information flow and delete anything bad for the state. That may be the case. However, if you can't control the information, and your opponent has some strong facts on their side, the next best thing is to so saturate the market with conflicting information/opinions/talking points that your opponents' argument/facts get lost in the cacophony of "who can really know what's true?"

    Flood the playing field so everything gets too muddy to sort out. Game gets called on account of rain. If you were losing anyway, that kind of tie is really a win.

    I remember an old Star Trek:The Next Generation episode (might have even had a guest appearance by Dr. Spock). The Bad Aliens were planning on invading Planet X via some convoluted means, and the Bad Alien Leader revealed the plans to captured Federation guys in a classic Bond Villain/Supervillain exposition .

    The plan involved the Bad Aliens sending some false information to the planet in a fake emergency scenario. The Federation guy says that Planet X was too smart and wouldn't believe such false information. The Bad Alien guy counters: "We don't need them to believe us. We just need them to be confused long enough to carry out our plan."

    That's pretty much how hasbara-type campaigns work. They don't need you to believe their counterattacks, just to be confused as to what actually is going on via a lot of white noise and double talk until the average joe just throws up his hands and walks away. It's how the Clintons have gotten away with a lot of their scandals: her and her changing stories and multiple different witnesses contradicting each other make it really hard to tell what happened, and the average joe loses interest.

    A good prosecutor could, in fact, make it make sense. Or it could fall apart if a defendant had an ounce of shame. Unfortunately, neither has occurred with the Clintons.

    Some sites have what I call “guard dogs”. The same handful of advocates hang around and immediately appear out of the woodwork to try and counter what somebody just wrote. It is almost as if those people don’t do anything else. I guess they don’t.

    • Replies: @Buck Turgidson
    Go to legalinsurrection.com and leave some complimentary comments about Trump and his leadership, philosophical underpinnings in the US Constitution, and Cruz's rejection of reconciliation at the convention. Give 'em about an hour but I don't think it will take that long. I used to visit frequently but something has gotten in the water over there.
    , @Verymuchalive
    You're too right, Prof. I've had experience of this very recently on a site (not here). They quite often reply 2 or more times to your email without letting you reply to their first. Thankfully, Steve has a grip on this, so it is always a delight to email the site.
  51. I don’t understand the nuts and bolts of how this thing is going to operate. Maybe that’s because I don’t understand Twitter. Could someone please slowly spell it out for me and similarly confused others?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    I interpret it to mean that on, for example, iSteve, we will see some paid Hillary supporters posting pro-Hillary comments in reply to Steve or commenters. This is supposedly not going to convince regular racist iSteve readers but will have the effect of whipping up the pro-Hillary base. That must be, the pro-Hillary base that reads iSteve... or whatever...
    , @Kylie
    More Clinton dirty tricks, except this time they're using social media so they won't need shovels.
  52. OT, but you have to talk about Tim Kaine’s first speech as Clinton’s VP. First, he switched between English and Spanish. Second, a huge portion was about how his father in law, the Republican governor of Virginia, sent his children to integrated schools. Then when he became governor he and his wife followed their lead with his children, because he wasn’t going to have one rule for himself and one for the rest of the people.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?413100-1/hillary-clinton-campaigns-miami-running-mate-senator-tim-kaine

    He also spent a year in Honduras during missionary work, and has spent a lifetime suing private interests for “discriminating” against blacks.

    The word “cuck” is not strong enough. The man is the most repulsive politician I have seen in a long time.

  53. @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent

    Nothing over the top about it. Just crash a bar mitzvah sometime in NY or Boca Raton and sit with the over-sixty people.

    In my family, a common dinner table topic now is, who among our relatives and friends most sounds like Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump?

  54. This operation is playing out right now on Ann Althouse’s blog. A week or two before the RNC convention, there was an influx of about 20 new commenter ID’s who all shared the same m.o. — blast anti-Trump talking points for a day, change name, blast anti-Trump talking points, repeat. They may not actually be coordinated — but they sure look like they’re coordinated. One ID only will post for a while, then they “change shifts” and another of the new ID’s will take over, etc.

    Now that the DNC convention approaches, the talking points are more about the wonderfulness of Kaine & Clinton, though still plenty of Trump-bashing.

  55. @Rob McX
    Good points about confusing people with different theories and allegations. The information genie is out of the bottle, and societies where the government could keep people in the dark are gone forever. So the only option is to confuse them with a blizzard of contradictory information. That's why I'm put off conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc. There are so many theories to choose from, most of them ludicrously implausible, and I don't have the time or the energy to sift through the rubbish to find the more reasonable ones.

    that does not sound convincing. I think u are either timid or mentally lazy. Im a german and even i want to know what went down on 9/11

  56. @Jack D
    Accents have little to do with intelligence. Feynman sounded very much like Bernie.

    On the other hand, there are actors and news readers who sound like the voice of God himself and yet who do not have a single brain cell.

    Yes Feynman did sound working class, the German born physicist Hans Bethe said Feynman talked like a bum.

    • Replies: @Karl
    > Hans Bethe said Feynman talked like a bum

    i'll take Hans' word for that. On the other hand, the written record does imply that Feynman - besides being a gifted lockpicker - was a gifted PUA.

    Related skills?
  57. It’s time for Hillary’s

    COME-TRUMPPENCE.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn't he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    Bernie is probably the worst politician to ever appear on the American political stage. He had one opportunity after another to torpedo Hillary Clinton and he wasted them all. In his complete lack of talent and his wooden obliviousness to the same, he is the William Topaz McGonagall of transnational socialism.

    But the Bernie Bros—who are currently picking up the pieces of their sweet, shattered dream—will quickly come to the conclusion that they were stabbed in the back by their oafish candidate and will find themselves repeating along with Donald Trump that the system is rigged. Trump will pick up some voters from this group, and the rest of them who do not vote for Trump will at any rate not vote for Hillary either.

    The Clinton campaign is imploding. The media will keep it on life support all the way through the election of course, but I have a real sense that Trump is going to win this thing quite handily. I’m not ready to use the term “landslide” yet, but things are moving in that direction.

    • Replies: @AmericanaCON
    Bernie Sanders is not a “Ron Paul”. Even when United States and many of his libertarian friends running towards nationalism Paul stills sings the same old libertarian song. Paul is the old that old radical uncle who continues to show up at the Christmas because some of your estranged relatives think he is “a lot of fun” and continues to invite him against your wishes. Bernie is this socialist aunt who still believes Sweden look, talk and smells like it did in 1965. You invited her because in contrast to your uncle she seldom causes intense or awkward moments. Cruz is your first cuisine, a psychopath reactionary lawyer who shows up late in the dinner. He sits down and start lecture you about your manners not waiting for him. You do not say anything but your wife whispers “Lucifer” to you just after he has left your home. Donald Trump is your rich, funny and fairly trustworthy brother-in law who just one Christmas decides that he will show up early to your dinner. He convince your kids and your wife that his version of the Christmas dinner most be implemented. You disagree with everything he says and do but your home is a “democracy” and so you are forced to follow his lead. Then the guest comes. They all love his Christmas but your aunt and your first cuisine leaves in anger because this Christmas goes against what they previously had. Your radical uncle sit in a corner and complain. Almost everybody likes the Christmas but you are just disillusionized.

    Anyway, Bernie has always voted with the Democrats and in return they have helped him in re-elections in Vermont. Bernie, Ted and Ron are semi-establishment people. They are insiders who are not very well-liked but cannot but have enough social capital to be invited to the party. This is why Bernie didn’t attack Clinton. They are on the same boat. Ron Paul is in a life raft clinging on the GOP ship because this is his only way to move forward. Bernie did what he could within establishment borders just as Cruz but in the end they both lost because they didn’t want to get in the “real game”.
  59. In my family, a common dinner table topic now is, who among our relatives and friends most sounds like Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump?

    I grew up in D.C. with my mother and most of my relatives from New York. I can’t really tell the difference between Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, or Long Island. I have the same problem with Philly and Baltimore and with Providence and Boston. And black people from Atlanta, GA and Birmingham, AL, sound the same to me as blacks from Philly or Chicago. And forget about whites from the South, they sound the same whether from Tulsa or Charlotte.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    You are wrong about all of these EXCEPT for black people. Linguists say that American urban blacks basically all have the same accent regardless of what city they are from, just as you say.

    But all of the others can be distinguished from each other. For example , in Baltimore, a (white) native would call his city Ballimer but a Philadelphian would call it Ball Tee More. When a Philadelphia visits the beach he goes "down the shore" but a Baltimorean goes "down the ocean".
  60. @Jack D
    Accents have little to do with intelligence. Feynman sounded very much like Bernie.

    On the other hand, there are actors and news readers who sound like the voice of God himself and yet who do not have a single brain cell.

    Exactly

    Based on its logic east Asians are on avg dumb and black Africans are geniuses…

    I have the theory that some people with language challenge like stuttering need to learn to talk with “emotional emphasis”. Seems among stutters and people who are borderline in language challenges tend to mask or learn to mask their deficits talking with emotion, it explain why most of stutters don’t stutter when they are singing. The rhythm of speech in non-stutter people is not directly connected with “emotion”. So they can talk without any emotional emphasis. In other hand stutter people seems tend to have a direct connection between their speech and emotion “center” ( neurobio-primitively speaking, I’m not a expert in neuroscience of course) in the way they can’t talk without use the emotion, the ideal to the stutter people is to talk with some “emotional rhythm” if to act is near to sing.

    Many Ashkenazis seems have this trends to talk putting greater emotional emphasis, I mean, they talk with body, similar to the Italians who tend to talk with its hands.

    Seems that a lot of Jews not just European ones tend to be very good talkatives. Seems the genes to the stuttering is common among them.

    Stuttering look like a over-social-self awareness and a one study that I saw found a correlation between higher “intelligence” and stuttering.

    Jewish intelligence evolved around language/verbal specialties but the real function to the “verbal” intelligence is to know/understand the reality. Words is a clothes to the real body, the reality.

    The great problem is that for most of human beings the only reality that exist is the human/cultural reality.

    The increase of intelligence seems is related to the reduce of instinct. And less instinct also may mean “less self confident/ego”.

    So a lot of cognitively smart people become naturally vulnerable to learn what other people want they learn while instinct usually tend to reduce this domesticated vulnerability, instinctive people are more self-centered. The habitable zone to the wisdom is always in the middle of this spectrum.

  61. @Jack D
    Yes, that's exactly how Russia's disinformation system works. You are not going to change the minds of true believers on the other side but you can get the people in the middle to be so disgusted with the internet that they avoid it completely.

    A couple months ago the Taki’s comments became little more than two or three new people constantly accusing established regulars of being hasbara. It got tiresome quickly.

    In fact now that I think about it that’s how I ended up here — because the comments are moderated. It’s almost like we need a border and some enforcement to have nice things?

    There’s a metaphor in there somewhere…

    • Replies: @Rob McX

    A couple months ago the Taki’s comments became little more than two or three new people constantly accusing established regulars of being hasbara.
     
    Which of course plays into the hands of the hasbara, if it really is at work in the threads.
  62. @Jack D
    Accents have little to do with intelligence. Feynman sounded very much like Bernie.

    On the other hand, there are actors and news readers who sound like the voice of God himself and yet who do not have a single brain cell.

    George Stephenopolous needs a refresher course on the history of presidential elections, as well as ethics in Journalism.

    Otherwise he’ll likely continue to allow hysterical nut jobs like Keith Ellison recite “facts,” such as the claim that George Wallace had been a Republican presidential candidate, slide on by, as he did here:

    • Replies: @i am the walrus
    "Otherwise he’ll likely continue to allow hysterical nut jobs like Keith Ellison recite “facts,” such as the claim that George Wallace had been a Republican presidential candidate, slide on by, as he did here."

    Well, there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Stephenopolous was, and is, a political whore and a Clinton shill. Stephenopolous masked it well enough right out of the gate (white-trash James Carville famously called Stephenopolous a "common-traitor" ) but Stephie knows his gig is due his master Bill, and Hillary benefits just as if she were the patron to Stephie the client.
  63. So the only option is to confuse them with a blizzard of contradictory information. That’s why I’m put off conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc.

    Well said. Same here. The truly important conspiracies are right out in plain view, and they’re not all that mysterious.

    • Replies: @Rob McX

    The truly important conspiracies are right out in plain view, and they’re not all that mysterious.
     
    Exactly. The really devastating things, like population replacement/genocide, are all done in plain sight, with people's noses rubbed in the ugly consequences every day. Beside this, things such as a shadowy conspiracy to kill this or that head of state, etc. are insignificant. Interesting, yes, but not significant in the general scheme of things.
  64. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn't he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    I find it interesting that the leaked DNC emails show there were plans to smear Trump with worse lies than for Sanders, but nearly all of the MSM is completely ignoring that.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    The MSM is pretty much ignoring all of it.
  65. Steve,

    Speaking of Rumsfeld’s highly conceptual known-knowns, what happened to him? Steve, please don’t age like this!!

    • Replies: @CJ
    Rumsfeld is now 84 years old. He looks better than Hillary is likely to in another 15 years.
  66. e says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn't he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    Bern is a wimp, that’s why. Did you see how he allowed those two loud mouths from BLM to take his mike in Seattle?

    To those who even begin to suggest he’s been brave in fighting the PTB of the Dem Party, yeah, suuuure: what the hell did he have to lose? He’s never had ANY power as an independent from Vermont. NEVER. This campaign is the most fun he’s ever had in politics and he’s garnered more attention than he ever thought possible.

    No one his after-college commune wanted to kick him out because all he did was talk at them rather than work.

  67. @International Jew
    I don't understand the nuts and bolts of how this thing is going to operate. Maybe that's because I don't understand Twitter. Could someone please slowly spell it out for me and similarly confused others?

    I interpret it to mean that on, for example, iSteve, we will see some paid Hillary supporters posting pro-Hillary comments in reply to Steve or commenters. This is supposedly not going to convince regular racist iSteve readers but will have the effect of whipping up the pro-Hillary base. That must be, the pro-Hillary base that reads iSteve… or whatever…

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    Not racist, realist. In all matters.
    , @Divine Right
    "I interpret it to mean that on, for example, iSteve, we will see some paid Hillary supporters posting pro-Hillary comments in reply to Steve or commenters."

    A waste of time, effort, and money (but since Hillary's judgement is so poor, perhaps so). On sites such as this, the author has the ability to moderate comments. I'm not sure how effective delayed, one-shot posts would be on a site where the author could simply not approve the comment in the first place. Facebook, Twitter, and comment sections of click-bait sites such as the Huffington Post strike me as much more useful.
  68. “The Russian government has set up a hasbara system similar to Israel’s”

    Indeed, looking at the sidebar on unz.com, I often find myself wondering which of the pro-Russian and anti-anti-Russian commentators are amateurs, and which are professional ….

  69. @Jack D
    Accents have little to do with intelligence. Feynman sounded very much like Bernie.

    On the other hand, there are actors and news readers who sound like the voice of God himself and yet who do not have a single brain cell.

    True. I think the correlation between verbal abilities and IQ means thinking on your feet, which jibes with the definition of IQ as what you do when you don’t know what to do. Look at what happens when Obama is without a teleprompter. It’s like slamming on the brakes.

    I liken sounding smart to being able to zombie your way through math problems without understanding the intuition behind them. Something 90ish IQ people can do. Effective miming.

  70. @International Jew
    I don't understand the nuts and bolts of how this thing is going to operate. Maybe that's because I don't understand Twitter. Could someone please slowly spell it out for me and similarly confused others?

    More Clinton dirty tricks, except this time they’re using social media so they won’t need shovels.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Kylie, Have you and others noticed an increased number of what I would call "anti-Steve" commenters lately. Either that or Tiny Duck has multiple user names.
  71. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    People have not thought through what’s going to happen if Hillary is elected. We’d be having three women–Hilary, Huma, and Cheryl Mills–who have been threatened with prosecution and jail, seizing the reins of power. In other words, they’re paranoid, scared, angry, and out for revenge. This is a unique situation. We’ve never had anything like this happen before in American politics. A psychiatrist would tell you that anyone, no matter who they are, would be traumatized and radicalized by such an experience. People in this frame of mind became capable of doing anything in their quest to protect themselves. They become capable of extremes of behavior way outside the norm. If you know ancient Roman history, you can guess what’s going to happen.

    First, the FBI is going to be gutted. Any agent working on their investigation is going to be cashiered, and I think it’s possible the agents will be smeared, framed, and jailed themselves. Hillary will want all threats neutralized one way or another. All the evidence against Hillary and her aides will be destroyed permanently. Second, any government worker who is not a Hillary supporter is going to be kicked out of their job. If you thought Trump was going to clean them out, just wait and see what a paranoid Hillary does. Our current government is stuffed with Obamabots. They have no loyalty to Hillary, and she knows it. She also knows that it was with the Obama administration’s approval that she was investigated. The Obama people didn’t support her in the primary in 2008, and they don’t support her now. She’s never forgotten or forgiven this. Everyone knows why she had an independent server set up in a closet. She didn’t trust Obama farther than she could throw him, and she didn’t want him getting hold of any ammunition to use against her when she was Secretary of State.

    Hillary isn’t going to want anyone writing tell-all books about her after she’s out of office, or giving any evidence to any committee that can be used to prosecute her for impeachment, or blacken her name after she’s out of office. The entire government is going to be turned inside out and stuffed with Hillarybots. And if you thought Republicans had it hard under Obama, just wait and see what Hillary does. She’s going to go all Nixon on her enemies’ tax returns. She’s seen that no one has been able to stop Obama from doing this, so she knows she has complete freedom to copy him. She’ll use every lever of power she can against her enemies. Remember, she’s angry, paranoid, and out for revenge. She’ll do this and many other filthy deeds without hesitation. If she doesn’t hesitate about killing people in the Middle East, she’s not going to care about you.

    But keep in mind she could go much farther than the scenarios above. She’s always been arrogant. She thinks she’s pure and high-minded, and she’s convinced her enemies are genuinely evil and out to get her (remember the right-wing Republican conspiracy she loves to talk about? She was paranoid long before the current investigation into her server) and she thinks Republicans deserve what they get. To her, that justifies every bad thing that happens to them, no matter how illegal or immoral.

    She must be stopped.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Jean Cocteausten
    I doubt Hillary or her flacks were traumatized by the email investigation. You or I would be, but people at the top are under constant threat of being sued or prosecuted and have to be able to brush it off. Trump is probably being sued by 5 or 10 different people right now. To get to the top today, you have to be willing to constantly bend the rules and still be able to sleep soundly.
  72. David Brock huh?. How time flies. Well, he is the clear winner in the Geert Wilders hair-alike contest.

  73. @Kylie
    More Clinton dirty tricks, except this time they're using social media so they won't need shovels.

    Kylie, Have you and others noticed an increased number of what I would call “anti-Steve” commenters lately. Either that or Tiny Duck has multiple user names.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    There are a fair few new one-comment trolls, perhaps the DNC are getting worried?

    OT - another of Merkel's Millions goes postal in Germany.

    https://www.rt.com/news/353005-machete-wielding-man-attack/

    "At least one person has been killed and two more injured in an incident in the German town of Reutlingen. A man wielding a machete apparently randomly attacked passersby in the street. The man was identified as a Syrian asylum seeker, 21, who was previously known to police, local police department said in statement."

    (@snorlax - as an Iranian, maybe he was targeting Sunnis? More seriously perhaps he knew the buttons to press to get these local kids to MacDs with some fake freebie. He'd actually visited the school where a pupil shot 9 children a few years back.)

    , @SPMoore8
    Depending on how you define "anti-Steve" I would say the uptick is associated with comment shutdowns elsewhere and only in part with the fact that some people think online opinion actually affects an election outcome. Myself, I am not commenting on the election but I dread the likely outcome.
    , @Kylie
    Yes, Joe, I've noticed the increase in uncongenial and irrational (I.e., left-wing) comments. It's to be expected during an election year.
    , @International Jew
    Dunno, I doubt iSteve is on their radar. I think what we're seeing here is just feisty amateurs.

    No one paid me for this, or any of my other comments here, BTW
  74. Payola is common in conservative media. A few years ago some “conservative” got jammed up for talking money from Malaysia to promote Malaysia in their “opinion” pieces. Both parties have guys at the various sites who will follow orders. The Wikileakes scandal everyone in media is ignoring is pretty funny. Some of these pens for hire are nothing more than rentboys.

    The Official Right is loaded with these stuff. The Wilkes Brothers are in bed with a number of outlets. I think they are bankrolling Beck and Erickson. They had Ben Shapiro on their payroll during the primary.

    As far as this comment farms, they don’t work. If you are a regular commenter at a site, you spot these guys right away. They either get shouting down or banned.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Payola by another name is rampant in business magazines, among others, where advertisers provide the content. That is one way to cut down on those payroll and benefit expenses.
  75. OT: It seems that the Munich shooter actually was, as one of our commenters had joked, a Muslim far-right xenophobe. He apparently was a fan of Breivik and only shot Muslims: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    As I understand it, he had information on several mass shootings, including Breivik's. Predictably, the cuckstream media are concentrating on that and slapping the "far-right" tag on him. By the way, if he really had 300 rounds of ammunition with him, it's hard to believe he hadn't some terrorist connections, albeit perhaps indirect. That's a hell of a lot of ammunition in Europe, where you can't even buy one round without a firearms permit, which he didn't seem to have.
    , @Almost Missouri
    As I said on another thread, many Westerners (and most of the Western media) don’t realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians are separate and distinct ethnicities, and that they have been mutually hostile for millennia. That doesn’t suddenly disappear just because the socialist diversity utopia says it should.

    Germany imported this millenia-old conflict, waved the multicult wand and said all brown people are kumbayah brothers. Of course, nothing of the sort happened, so it must the right wing's fault.

    Ali Daud Sonboly, now being called "David Sonboly" by the media, studied and admired all mass shooters in the region, among whom Brevik was prominent. His interest appears to be in methods not politics.

    Another observation: the fecklessness of the authorities. Twenty-three-hundred(!) heavily armed and armored police in response to one untrained 18 year old gunman with a single low-velocity handgun, and yet the gunman manages wander half a mile from the shooting site undisturbed except by a disarmed civilian hurling abuse and a beer bottle at him. 2300 police never get off a shot and the the gunman dies by by his own hand, probably more wounded by the civilian’s words than by anything the “authorities” did.

    The government’s statements on this all boil down to: “Don’t blame us this time. Please continue discussing bullying and gun control.”
  76. @Prof. Woland
    Some sites have what I call "guard dogs". The same handful of advocates hang around and immediately appear out of the woodwork to try and counter what somebody just wrote. It is almost as if those people don't do anything else. I guess they don't.

    Go to legalinsurrection.com and leave some complimentary comments about Trump and his leadership, philosophical underpinnings in the US Constitution, and Cruz’s rejection of reconciliation at the convention. Give ’em about an hour but I don’t think it will take that long. I used to visit frequently but something has gotten in the water over there.

  77. @Buffalo Joe
    Kylie, Have you and others noticed an increased number of what I would call "anti-Steve" commenters lately. Either that or Tiny Duck has multiple user names.

    There are a fair few new one-comment trolls, perhaps the DNC are getting worried?

    OT – another of Merkel’s Millions goes postal in Germany.

    https://www.rt.com/news/353005-machete-wielding-man-attack/

    “At least one person has been killed and two more injured in an incident in the German town of Reutlingen. A man wielding a machete apparently randomly attacked passersby in the street. The man was identified as a Syrian asylum seeker, 21, who was previously known to police, local police department said in statement.”

    ( – as an Iranian, maybe he was targeting Sunnis? More seriously perhaps he knew the buttons to press to get these local kids to MacDs with some fake freebie. He’d actually visited the school where a pupil shot 9 children a few years back.)

  78. @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    Watch a few videos of Richard Feynman speaking to disabuse yourself of this notion.

  79. • Replies: @Old fogey
    Thanks for the interesting link. The reporter says that Obama's half-brother is actually registered to vote in Maryland but doesn't say how he achieved U.S. citizenship. So now we not only have dead people voting Democratic, we have live Kenyans saying they will be voting Republican in the next election? Interesting.

    Also, I wonder if anyone knows how the Obama half-brother living in the Nairobi shack is doing. I do hope his prominent family both in Africa and America has helped him get his life back on track.
  80. @BenKenobi
    A couple months ago the Taki's comments became little more than two or three new people constantly accusing established regulars of being hasbara. It got tiresome quickly.

    In fact now that I think about it that's how I ended up here -- because the comments are moderated. It's almost like we need a border and some enforcement to have nice things?

    There's a metaphor in there somewhere...

    A couple months ago the Taki’s comments became little more than two or three new people constantly accusing established regulars of being hasbara.

    Which of course plays into the hands of the hasbara, if it really is at work in the threads.

  81. Kylie, Have you and others noticed an increased number of what I would call “anti-Steve” commenters lately. Either that or Tiny Duck has multiple user names.

    *Taps mic* “Is this thing on?”

    YES, Legion, as I call it, routinely uses tons of stupid handles. You haven’t noticed how they all appear consecutively, each posted 1 minute after the other?

    And yes, there are certainly other trolls around.

  82. @Chrisnonymous

    I’m not the only one. Obama is not a cultural American. If he had lost? This is the guy backing BLM after all. And libs are calling for an anti Trump coup.

  83. @snorlax
    OT: It seems that the Munich shooter actually was, as one of our commenters had joked, a Muslim far-right xenophobe. He apparently was a fan of Breivik and only shot Muslims: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

    As I understand it, he had information on several mass shootings, including Breivik’s. Predictably, the cuckstream media are concentrating on that and slapping the “far-right” tag on him. By the way, if he really had 300 rounds of ammunition with him, it’s hard to believe he hadn’t some terrorist connections, albeit perhaps indirect. That’s a hell of a lot of ammunition in Europe, where you can’t even buy one round without a firearms permit, which he didn’t seem to have.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    the cuckstream media are concentrating on that and slapping the “far-right” tag on him

    Aren't a lot of Muslim fanatics what the media would call far right? Homophobic, patriarchal, misogynistic, fundamentalist, etc. It almost makes you wonder why the left wing loves them so much.
  84. @yowza
    George Stephenopolous needs a refresher course on the history of presidential elections, as well as ethics in Journalism.

    Otherwise he'll likely continue to allow hysterical nut jobs like Keith Ellison recite "facts," such as the claim that George Wallace had been a Republican presidential candidate, slide on by, as he did here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APlgEmnIHqM

    “Otherwise he’ll likely continue to allow hysterical nut jobs like Keith Ellison recite “facts,” such as the claim that George Wallace had been a Republican presidential candidate, slide on by, as he did here.”

    Well, there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the two.

  85. We’d be having three women–Hilary, Huma, and Cheryl Mills–who have been threatened with prosecution and jail, seizing the reins of power.

    Oy vey. A Yenta Junta. A Yunta. Or a…nah, Steve would block that.

    I have a question.

    How come the phrase “white trash” is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    It’s been discussed at iSteve several times, noob. 🙂

    It’s a backhanded insult to non-whites, when you think about it.

    Im a german and even i want to know what went down on 9/11

    Arabs crashed some planes into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. The end.

    The conspiracies are kind of like the ones about the Moon landings; they say more about the theorist than reality. “OMG, no waaaay Arabs could crash a plane!” “OMG, no waaaay white men could put white men on the Moon!”

    Our current government is stuffed with Obamabots.

    *taps mic again* Obamatons; clearly superior, clearly a non-starter. Why do I even try?

    Look at what happens when Obama is without a teleprompter. It’s like slamming on the brakes.

    If-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if

    P.S., looks like Ron streamlined the code again. Thanks Ron!

    • Replies: @L7's
    If you don't believe the building 7 story you can't believe any of it!
  86. As I understand it, he had information on several mass shootings, including Breivik’s. Predictably, the cuckstream media are concentrating on that and slapping the “far-right” tag on him.

    5 minutes later, western “far-right” groups all issue the same statement:

    “We don’t want ‘far-right’ Muslims here, either.”

  87. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT again, but I note the BBC website makes no mention of the DNC/Wikileaks mails.

    The story is very hard to find on the Guardian website, too - where comments are like "A day late, short, and filled with discussion of other things besides the DNC's efforts to undercut Bernie. Shameful, Guardian, shameful."

    I was wondering if the wikileaks dump would contain something about encouraging BLM to drive more voters, but I suppose it didn’t.

    That would be interesting.

    Also a shame that we haven’t heard about the new journalist.

    After hearing the instant response to Trump’s speech (dark, dark, dark, dark, dark) there must be one out there.

    • Replies: @wren
    Autocorrect changed JournoList to journalist.
  88. @AndrewR
    What a ridiculously ignorant comment. Bernie wants the US to be like Sweden not the USSR.

    It is true that Cuck Bernie has let himself be derailed by the identity politics wing of the left.

    You inferred too much, I did not claim that Sanders was/is a Leninist with sympathies for the USSR. What I did say is that older generations have a negative reaction to socialism because they associate it with the USSR. Younger generations, the staunchest supporters of Sanders, don’t.

    Given the current and likely future state of Sweden, the stigma against socialism will be coming back quite soon.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Maybe older generations are sclerotic and brainwashed. The Cold War ended over a quarter century ago.

    Sweden isn't going to shit because of its government entitlements. Its welfare state worked fine before mass immigration and only an closed-minded, ignorant, reflexively "anti-socialist" American would claim otherwise. The problem is that they don't understand that ethnic homogeneity is what made their system work. Importing millions of people with vastly different values, temperaments and aptitudes cannot lead to a sustainable social system. In no way is Sweden's cucked immigration system inseparable from its welfare system.

  89. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I have a question.

    How come the phrase "white trash" is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    In other words, why is "trash" coupled with white, when whites are pretty much responsible for a lot of good in the world in various fields of endeavors?

    That's a fair question. And, uh, don't other races and ethnicities have trash in their midsts?

    Yes, I do think that is a fair question, and one that should've been asked long time ago.

    I’ve always taken the term “white trash” to be something of a compliment to White people. Our race alone must specifically denominate our undesirable element as the trash, with the implication being that in general Whites are usually non-trashy. On the other hand, negative connotations attach by default to other races, where the onus is on the individual to prove that they don’t pertain to him personally.

  90. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I have a question.

    How come the phrase "white trash" is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    In other words, why is "trash" coupled with white, when whites are pretty much responsible for a lot of good in the world in various fields of endeavors?

    That's a fair question. And, uh, don't other races and ethnicities have trash in their midsts?

    Yes, I do think that is a fair question, and one that should've been asked long time ago.

    The original epithet was “poor white trash.” The poor part is now left off because it deflects blame.

    “White trash” is a holdover from when people believed each trashy group was trashy in its own peculiar cultural idiom. There are well-known equivalent terms for the trashy elements of other races. White dysfunction sort of centered around drunkenness, whereas black dysfunction centered around violent crime. Low-class Mexicans were very lazy unless they were having a knife fight. I take no position on the validity or invalidity of these beliefs. I only contend that they were once common but no longer are.

  91. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
  92. Off topic, but maybe you’d be interested to see this article I just ran across, in the “Coalition of the Fringes” category:

    Why Jews Need To Band Together With ‘Subgroups’ That Steve King Attacked

    http://forward.com/opinion/345570/why-jews-need-to-band-together-with-subgroups-that-steve-king-attacked/

  93. @Pat Gilligan

    In my family, a common dinner table topic now is, who among our relatives and friends most sounds like Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump?
     
    I grew up in D.C. with my mother and most of my relatives from New York. I can't really tell the difference between Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, or Long Island. I have the same problem with Philly and Baltimore and with Providence and Boston. And black people from Atlanta, GA and Birmingham, AL, sound the same to me as blacks from Philly or Chicago. And forget about whites from the South, they sound the same whether from Tulsa or Charlotte.

    You are wrong about all of these EXCEPT for black people. Linguists say that American urban blacks basically all have the same accent regardless of what city they are from, just as you say.

    But all of the others can be distinguished from each other. For example , in Baltimore, a (white) native would call his city Ballimer but a Philadelphian would call it Ball Tee More. When a Philadelphia visits the beach he goes “down the shore” but a Baltimorean goes “down the ocean”.

  94. @The Z Blog
    Payola is common in conservative media. A few years ago some "conservative" got jammed up for talking money from Malaysia to promote Malaysia in their "opinion" pieces. Both parties have guys at the various sites who will follow orders. The Wikileakes scandal everyone in media is ignoring is pretty funny. Some of these pens for hire are nothing more than rentboys.

    The Official Right is loaded with these stuff. The Wilkes Brothers are in bed with a number of outlets. I think they are bankrolling Beck and Erickson. They had Ben Shapiro on their payroll during the primary.

    As far as this comment farms, they don't work. If you are a regular commenter at a site, you spot these guys right away. They either get shouting down or banned.

    Payola by another name is rampant in business magazines, among others, where advertisers provide the content. That is one way to cut down on those payroll and benefit expenses.

  95. @Anonymous
    Chatrooms.

    Who still uses chat rooms? Maybe right wingers should honey pot these Dems and dox them.

    Who still uses chat rooms? Maybe right wingers should honey pot these Dems and dox them.

    A/S/L?

  96. Wildly OT, but the other day there were comments about the wildlife keeping blacks and Hispanics from enjoying our natural parks. In Varysburg, maybe thirty miles from here, an 81 year old man, who founded a safari park, was trampled to death by an “antelope,” I put that in quotes because they never said what type of antelope.

  97. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Someone’s comments on Hillary’s seeming on-camera seizure:

    http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=1822

  98. @Buffalo Joe
    Kylie, Have you and others noticed an increased number of what I would call "anti-Steve" commenters lately. Either that or Tiny Duck has multiple user names.

    Depending on how you define “anti-Steve” I would say the uptick is associated with comment shutdowns elsewhere and only in part with the fact that some people think online opinion actually affects an election outcome. Myself, I am not commenting on the election but I dread the likely outcome.

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    "I am not commenting on the election but I dread the likely outcome."
     
    My dear SPMoore8, must you always radiate such "positive waves"? - : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyh-JpWdGmQ

    Duck, Duck, Goose!
  99. @Svigor

    So the only option is to confuse them with a blizzard of contradictory information. That’s why I’m put off conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination, 9/11, etc.
     
    Well said. Same here. The truly important conspiracies are right out in plain view, and they're not all that mysterious.

    The truly important conspiracies are right out in plain view, and they’re not all that mysterious.

    Exactly. The really devastating things, like population replacement/genocide, are all done in plain sight, with people’s noses rubbed in the ugly consequences every day. Beside this, things such as a shadowy conspiracy to kill this or that head of state, etc. are insignificant. Interesting, yes, but not significant in the general scheme of things.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    Well, I don't know whether there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, but it seems clear that his assassination deeply affected the U.S. Had he not been killed, he most likely would have defeated Goldwater in 1964, but I doubt whether there would have been the landslide Democratic margins in the Congress that materialized as a result of his assassination and I doubt whether we would have seen the massive Great Society legislative program ushered in by LBJ. JFK simply lacked the legislative skills of LBJ. The Immigration Act of 1965 was, in the words of Theodore White, the worst of the Great Society legislation
  100. @wren
    I was wondering if the wikileaks dump would contain something about encouraging BLM to drive more voters, but I suppose it didn't.

    That would be interesting.

    Also a shame that we haven't heard about the new journalist.

    After hearing the instant response to Trump's speech (dark, dark, dark, dark, dark) there must be one out there.

    Autocorrect changed JournoList to journalist.

  101. OT, but Trump’s Luck has been pretty remarkable of late.

    The news events immediately leading up to the RNC and immediately after it were a perfect storm seemingly designed to impress on the American people the reality and importance of the positions Trump took in his speech.

    Apart from election time itself, there may be no more propitious time for events to make a message resonate and register than in the introduction of a Presidential candidate in his convention speech. It will leave a long lasting impression almost no matter how the news of the remainder of the cycle plays out — though, at this time, it’s pretty hard to believe that we won’t be seeing a good deal of the same sort of things going forward.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    OT, but Trump’s Luck has been pretty remarkable of late.

    The news events immediately leading up to the RNC and immediately after it were a perfect storm seemingly designed to impress on the American people the reality and importance of the positions Trump took in his speech.

    Apart from election time itself, there may be no more propitious time for events to make a message resonate and register than in the introduction of a Presidential candidate in his convention speech. It will leave a long lasting impression almost no matter how the news of the remainder of the cycle plays out — though, at this time, it’s pretty hard to believe that we won’t be seeing a good deal of the same sort of things going forward.
     
    The way to become a billionaire. I think this is the way Trump makes decisions from The Art of the Deal. Watch, listen, analyze. Then wait and forget about it completely. Then return to it and go with your gut. Lastly, and most importantly, stick with your decision.
  102. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I have a question.

    How come the phrase "white trash" is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    In other words, why is "trash" coupled with white, when whites are pretty much responsible for a lot of good in the world in various fields of endeavors?

    That's a fair question. And, uh, don't other races and ethnicities have trash in their midsts?

    Yes, I do think that is a fair question, and one that should've been asked long time ago.

    Yes, it’s a fair question. Along with saying whites are lazy and stupid, it’s not ending bigotry, it’s race substitution. Well, of course not the Good ones, just the Bad Whites.

    Always helps to substitute Obama for Bill and try, “He’d still be lazy, stupid black trash.”

    The thing is, after having spent years doing genealogical research in this gene pool’s history, I conclude we should respect their ability to cling to little more than their own bare lives. They came here, voluntarily or not, fleeing poverty, starvation and exploitation. They survived famines and purges in the homeland and came here asking only to be left alone. If black slavery and African realities gave us the black athlete of today, then the story of poor whites in Europe gave us the poor white super-survivor we see today. Trailer trash will be alive after cock roaches are gone. We should have a little respect.

  103. @Grandpa Jack
    "The Russian government has set up a hasbara system similar to Israel’s. America, in contrast, has lots of Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police."

    We've got several here who are well known to all your readers. It wouldn't really surprise me to find some or all of them are '50 cent party' fellas working for some liberal organization/individual, like the Soros trans*boy brigade.

    When I was at Rutgers, I saw a number of advertisements posted for paid social activist positions, though not specifically for online spots. Libs have to fake the grassroots aspect of so many of their positions, because they're not really anywhere near as popular among the masses as the media would have you believe- its all superficial posturing "a mile wide and an inch deep" as the saying goes.

    its all superficial posturing “a mile wide and an inch deep” as the saying goes.

    Exactly right!

    In UK politics/media there are various talking heads who are billed as internet savvy types when seen on TV or interviewed on the radio. But when you visit their blogs, Twitter, Youtube channels it’s a wasteland, few views, few comments (if any), most of them crap. The alt-right equivalents are powerhouses by comparison, except of course that none of their big players will be allowed within 6 million miles of TV or radio.

    I’m thinking of people like Owen Jones and Laurie Penny.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    The original saying was the William Jennings Bryan was like the River Platte in his native Nebraska, "two miles wide at the mouth and about six inches deep."

    The problem on the internet is that the change in what is supposed to be the "big issue", "major problem", "existential crisis" or what have you changes radically every three or four days, in accordance with normal news cycles. Nobody can pretend to be experts in all of these disparate fields, but if you are a journalist or an official talking head / egghead, you are still required to opine authoritatively on all of it.

    What is really needed is fractional personal knowledge and/or some personal quantum of expert knowledge, which, in the aggregate, can add up to something useful. That is why comments sections are frequently valuable.

    The other thing that would be really useful is a detailed study of what the problem is, presented in a manner that is at least trying to be balanced, that is much less common and would require one to be "off line" for an extended period. Amateurs can do that. Professionals rarely.
  104. The Clinton campaign’s adoption of Hasbara methods is hardly surprising considering the Israeli billionaire Haim Saban’s influence on the Hilary campaign.

  105. @yowza
    A few weeks ago, I posted contradictory information on a BLM Facebook page. I also said something to the effect of "black dad's matter," as well as facts regarding Michael Brown. It was like a sack of hornets converging with bizarre and shrill accusations galore from regulars on the site.

    A few days ago, my Facebook account was suspended. I was informed that my account was suspended until I provided evidence that I was who I said I was. They required a scan either my driver's license, my birth certificate, or mail of a utility bill with my name and address on it. I've have the account for years.

    What this means is, unless I dox myself for Facebook, so they can keep a record of me, for future use, my account cannot be cancelled, and can never be used again. All my posts, email messages, Facebook messages, photographs will remain with Facebook, as property of Facebook.

    This also means Facebook can cite me as one of their users, even though I cannot cancel the account, which I would if they'd allow it.

    This being the case, I'm hard put to figure out how Scott Zuckerberg isn't a functional sociopath.

    This is because he seems to be saying, "if you post anything against any political theory of mine, I will dox you, so that I can have leverage over you in the future, should it ever come to that. In the meantime, what you've posted so far, I own and control for good."

    Again, I didn't post anything on the BLM pity page besides a differing opinion, as well as contradictory citations.

    I just got a 24-hour ban from Facebook for reposting a tweet by Ricky Vaughn that suggested the hashtag #freethefaggot on behalf of Milo.

    I also got in trouble for posting a photoshopped picture of Donald Trump with the words, “Get in faggot, we’re making America great again.” Both of these posts were deleted by Facebook.

    Other than that, I haven’t had trouble on social media because I never argue with anyone. I say my thing on my page but I don’t go into combat with others. I always use my real name on social media and on my blogs.

    I don’t argue with people in real life either. I use some judgment before sharing my opinions in person, otherwise they are reserved for my blog posts. As a result, I go through life with almost no conflict, no rancor, no bitterness, and no resentment.

    Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor are excellent models of deportment.

  106. @SPMoore8
    Depending on how you define "anti-Steve" I would say the uptick is associated with comment shutdowns elsewhere and only in part with the fact that some people think online opinion actually affects an election outcome. Myself, I am not commenting on the election but I dread the likely outcome.

    “I am not commenting on the election but I dread the likely outcome.”

    My dear SPMoore8, must you always radiate such “positive waves”? – :

    Duck, Duck, Goose!

  107. @Chrisnonymous
    I interpret it to mean that on, for example, iSteve, we will see some paid Hillary supporters posting pro-Hillary comments in reply to Steve or commenters. This is supposedly not going to convince regular racist iSteve readers but will have the effect of whipping up the pro-Hillary base. That must be, the pro-Hillary base that reads iSteve... or whatever...

    Not racist, realist. In all matters.

  108. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    OT, but Trump's Luck has been pretty remarkable of late.

    The news events immediately leading up to the RNC and immediately after it were a perfect storm seemingly designed to impress on the American people the reality and importance of the positions Trump took in his speech.

    Apart from election time itself, there may be no more propitious time for events to make a message resonate and register than in the introduction of a Presidential candidate in his convention speech. It will leave a long lasting impression almost no matter how the news of the remainder of the cycle plays out -- though, at this time, it's pretty hard to believe that we won't be seeing a good deal of the same sort of things going forward.

    OT, but Trump’s Luck has been pretty remarkable of late.

    The news events immediately leading up to the RNC and immediately after it were a perfect storm seemingly designed to impress on the American people the reality and importance of the positions Trump took in his speech.

    Apart from election time itself, there may be no more propitious time for events to make a message resonate and register than in the introduction of a Presidential candidate in his convention speech. It will leave a long lasting impression almost no matter how the news of the remainder of the cycle plays out — though, at this time, it’s pretty hard to believe that we won’t be seeing a good deal of the same sort of things going forward.

    The way to become a billionaire. I think this is the way Trump makes decisions from The Art of the Deal. Watch, listen, analyze. Then wait and forget about it completely. Then return to it and go with your gut. Lastly, and most importantly, stick with your decision.

    • Agree: Kylie
  109. @Lurker

    its all superficial posturing “a mile wide and an inch deep” as the saying goes.
     
    Exactly right!

    In UK politics/media there are various talking heads who are billed as internet savvy types when seen on TV or interviewed on the radio. But when you visit their blogs, Twitter, Youtube channels it's a wasteland, few views, few comments (if any), most of them crap. The alt-right equivalents are powerhouses by comparison, except of course that none of their big players will be allowed within 6 million miles of TV or radio.

    I'm thinking of people like Owen Jones and Laurie Penny.

    The original saying was the William Jennings Bryan was like the River Platte in his native Nebraska, “two miles wide at the mouth and about six inches deep.”

    The problem on the internet is that the change in what is supposed to be the “big issue”, “major problem”, “existential crisis” or what have you changes radically every three or four days, in accordance with normal news cycles. Nobody can pretend to be experts in all of these disparate fields, but if you are a journalist or an official talking head / egghead, you are still required to opine authoritatively on all of it.

    What is really needed is fractional personal knowledge and/or some personal quantum of expert knowledge, which, in the aggregate, can add up to something useful. That is why comments sections are frequently valuable.

    The other thing that would be really useful is a detailed study of what the problem is, presented in a manner that is at least trying to be balanced, that is much less common and would require one to be “off line” for an extended period. Amateurs can do that. Professionals rarely.

  110. @Prof. Woland
    Some sites have what I call "guard dogs". The same handful of advocates hang around and immediately appear out of the woodwork to try and counter what somebody just wrote. It is almost as if those people don't do anything else. I guess they don't.

    You’re too right, Prof. I’ve had experience of this very recently on a site (not here). They quite often reply 2 or more times to your email without letting you reply to their first. Thankfully, Steve has a grip on this, so it is always a delight to email the site.

  111. @Buffalo Joe
    Kylie, Have you and others noticed an increased number of what I would call "anti-Steve" commenters lately. Either that or Tiny Duck has multiple user names.

    Yes, Joe, I’ve noticed the increase in uncongenial and irrational (I.e., left-wing) comments. It’s to be expected during an election year.

  112. @PhysicistDave
    HenryHawk wrote:

    You are so right. I used to think of Hillary as a committed socialist. But she is really a sociopath just seeking money and power.
     
    I was talking with my kids today about what motivates politicians: I said that I thought lots of low-level hacks were motivated largely by money, but that really top-level people -- President, Secretary of State, etc. -- were motivated largely by ideology.

    But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.

    White trash never really stops being white trash.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento

    But then, on second thought, I stopped myself and admitted that the Clintons seem to be motivated largely by money.

    The thirst for money is driven by the ideology that tells them all those rich people cheated, oppressed etc. to get that money in the first place. Since the Clintons on the other hand are virtuous since they care, they deserve the money more than those other people, however they happen to get it.

  113. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I have a question.

    How come the phrase "white trash" is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    In other words, why is "trash" coupled with white, when whites are pretty much responsible for a lot of good in the world in various fields of endeavors?

    That's a fair question. And, uh, don't other races and ethnicities have trash in their midsts?

    Yes, I do think that is a fair question, and one that should've been asked long time ago.

    How come the phrase “white trash” is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

    I suppose the term “white” is an inherently neutral description, whereas a specific ethnicity can usually imply a typical behavior set.

    In NYC, “he’s just an Irish N-word” is still a popular descriptive to denote lowbrow behavior of some men of Irish descent, beyond the love of alcohol and/or the moderately aggressive behavior they’re known for. You become an Irish N-word when you steal someone’s watch, or beat your wife bloody. Otherwise you’re just Irish.

  114. @Jack D
    Accents have little to do with intelligence. Feynman sounded very much like Bernie.

    On the other hand, there are actors and news readers who sound like the voice of God himself and yet who do not have a single brain cell.

    I think that smart people of prole backgrounds overwhelmingly tend to lose their accents. Feynman was a famous exception, Lennon and McCartney another. Feynman had a mischivous streak in him. He enjoyed playing with people’s expectations. A genius talking like an outer borough shoe salesman – that must have seemed so much fun to him.

    • Replies: @utu
    "smart people of prole backgrounds overwhelmingly tend to lose their accents"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkihKpnx5yM
  115. @Buffalo Joe
    Kylie, Have you and others noticed an increased number of what I would call "anti-Steve" commenters lately. Either that or Tiny Duck has multiple user names.

    Dunno, I doubt iSteve is on their radar. I think what we’re seeing here is just feisty amateurs.

    No one paid me for this, or any of my other comments here, BTW

  116. OT again, but I see that the most diverse ‘city’ (anything over 10,000 pop) in the Northwest (and 11th most diverse in the USA) is also the least safe (according to some people who sell burglar alarms).

    http://blogs.seattletimes.com/fyi-guy/2012/10/21/tukwila-is-1/

    http://www.safewise.com/blog/the-30-most-dangerous-cities-in-america-2016/

    (The most diverse city is a small CA place called Suisun City)

    They also do a safest city – I presumed they were all whitopias, but #11, Imperial (CA) seems to be majority Hispanic.

    http://www.safewise.com/safest-cities-america

  117. “But the Robbins response confirmed a well-established rule of social media: The kind of confrontations Correct the Record is manufacturing almost never win converts.”

    But they could be useful in silencing dissent, which I’m sure is the point. Who wants to spend hours replying to dozens of paid trolls? Most people will conclude that it isn’t worth the effort to express an opinion that could lead to such a reaction. Just make an example out of a few celebrities, then presto, no more dissenting opinions.

  118. AmericanaCON [AKA "Joy Towels"] says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Bernie is probably the worst politician to ever appear on the American political stage. He had one opportunity after another to torpedo Hillary Clinton and he wasted them all. In his complete lack of talent and his wooden obliviousness to the same, he is the William Topaz McGonagall of transnational socialism.

    But the Bernie Bros---who are currently picking up the pieces of their sweet, shattered dream---will quickly come to the conclusion that they were stabbed in the back by their oafish candidate and will find themselves repeating along with Donald Trump that the system is rigged. Trump will pick up some voters from this group, and the rest of them who do not vote for Trump will at any rate not vote for Hillary either.

    The Clinton campaign is imploding. The media will keep it on life support all the way through the election of course, but I have a real sense that Trump is going to win this thing quite handily. I'm not ready to use the term "landslide" yet, but things are moving in that direction.

    Bernie Sanders is not a “Ron Paul”. Even when United States and many of his libertarian friends running towards nationalism Paul stills sings the same old libertarian song. Paul is the old that old radical uncle who continues to show up at the Christmas because some of your estranged relatives think he is “a lot of fun” and continues to invite him against your wishes. Bernie is this socialist aunt who still believes Sweden look, talk and smells like it did in 1965. You invited her because in contrast to your uncle she seldom causes intense or awkward moments. Cruz is your first cuisine, a psychopath reactionary lawyer who shows up late in the dinner. He sits down and start lecture you about your manners not waiting for him. You do not say anything but your wife whispers “Lucifer” to you just after he has left your home. Donald Trump is your rich, funny and fairly trustworthy brother-in law who just one Christmas decides that he will show up early to your dinner. He convince your kids and your wife that his version of the Christmas dinner most be implemented. You disagree with everything he says and do but your home is a “democracy” and so you are forced to follow his lead. Then the guest comes. They all love his Christmas but your aunt and your first cuisine leaves in anger because this Christmas goes against what they previously had. Your radical uncle sit in a corner and complain. Almost everybody likes the Christmas but you are just disillusionized.

    Anyway, Bernie has always voted with the Democrats and in return they have helped him in re-elections in Vermont. Bernie, Ted and Ron are semi-establishment people. They are insiders who are not very well-liked but cannot but have enough social capital to be invited to the party. This is why Bernie didn’t attack Clinton. They are on the same boat. Ron Paul is in a life raft clinging on the GOP ship because this is his only way to move forward. Bernie did what he could within establishment borders just as Cruz but in the end they both lost because they didn’t want to get in the “real game”.

  119. @Chrisnonymous
    I interpret it to mean that on, for example, iSteve, we will see some paid Hillary supporters posting pro-Hillary comments in reply to Steve or commenters. This is supposedly not going to convince regular racist iSteve readers but will have the effect of whipping up the pro-Hillary base. That must be, the pro-Hillary base that reads iSteve... or whatever...

    “I interpret it to mean that on, for example, iSteve, we will see some paid Hillary supporters posting pro-Hillary comments in reply to Steve or commenters.”

    A waste of time, effort, and money (but since Hillary’s judgement is so poor, perhaps so). On sites such as this, the author has the ability to moderate comments. I’m not sure how effective delayed, one-shot posts would be on a site where the author could simply not approve the comment in the first place. Facebook, Twitter, and comment sections of click-bait sites such as the Huffington Post strike me as much more useful.

  120. @wren
    It is time for you to turn over a new leaf Steve. Come to the light. Get on the right side of history.

    Stop this racism, Steve. Stop this chauvinist, sexist, misogynist thinking and blogging.

    Collect some of that sweet, sweet Goldman and Qatari cash, Steve.

    http://youtu.be/26-VzfBZg1w

    Maw Clinton, again.

    I thought my disgust with this creature had peaked. Then Johnny Walker over in the Stephen Miller thread (comment 9)…

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/stephen-miller-discusses-trump-speech-with-tapper-blitzer/

    …posted this video with this still:

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/b-haK9aaoLM

    (Carefully cropped from the frame is the big microphone Kaine is holding in his left hand, though you can see it in the embedded vid in Johnny’s comment.)

    I apply to this captured spontaneous moment the Erving Goffmanesque analysis so popular among Studies Studies feminists:

    She displays–quite naturally and instinctively–ritualized subordination, licensed withdrawal, deferential posture, object-of-attention, gooshy female reactions/behaviors, and the proto-seductive upper-arm-to-chest body contact.

    This woman reacts like this to a younger man gazing down at her, waving a big mic.

    This woman wants control of America’s nuclear arsenal.

    • Replies: @wren
    I agree with you - she is a wonderful woman!

    She knows how to get things done.

    For example, Kaddafffy.

    And, she is a woman, a wonderful woman, and who can imagine more of an outsider than a woman running to be the first woman president?!!!

    https://youtu.be/vqYJRc0TJkQ

    , @Ozymandias
    Go back and watch her when Bernie is espousing his socialist agenda in exchange for his endorsement. Mrs. Clinton goes full bobblehead.
  121. @Anon
    People have not thought through what's going to happen if Hillary is elected. We'd be having three women--Hilary, Huma, and Cheryl Mills--who have been threatened with prosecution and jail, seizing the reins of power. In other words, they're paranoid, scared, angry, and out for revenge. This is a unique situation. We've never had anything like this happen before in American politics. A psychiatrist would tell you that anyone, no matter who they are, would be traumatized and radicalized by such an experience. People in this frame of mind became capable of doing anything in their quest to protect themselves. They become capable of extremes of behavior way outside the norm. If you know ancient Roman history, you can guess what's going to happen.

    First, the FBI is going to be gutted. Any agent working on their investigation is going to be cashiered, and I think it's possible the agents will be smeared, framed, and jailed themselves. Hillary will want all threats neutralized one way or another. All the evidence against Hillary and her aides will be destroyed permanently. Second, any government worker who is not a Hillary supporter is going to be kicked out of their job. If you thought Trump was going to clean them out, just wait and see what a paranoid Hillary does. Our current government is stuffed with Obamabots. They have no loyalty to Hillary, and she knows it. She also knows that it was with the Obama administration's approval that she was investigated. The Obama people didn't support her in the primary in 2008, and they don't support her now. She's never forgotten or forgiven this. Everyone knows why she had an independent server set up in a closet. She didn't trust Obama farther than she could throw him, and she didn't want him getting hold of any ammunition to use against her when she was Secretary of State.

    Hillary isn't going to want anyone writing tell-all books about her after she's out of office, or giving any evidence to any committee that can be used to prosecute her for impeachment, or blacken her name after she's out of office. The entire government is going to be turned inside out and stuffed with Hillarybots. And if you thought Republicans had it hard under Obama, just wait and see what Hillary does. She's going to go all Nixon on her enemies' tax returns. She's seen that no one has been able to stop Obama from doing this, so she knows she has complete freedom to copy him. She'll use every lever of power she can against her enemies. Remember, she's angry, paranoid, and out for revenge. She'll do this and many other filthy deeds without hesitation. If she doesn't hesitate about killing people in the Middle East, she's not going to care about you.

    But keep in mind she could go much farther than the scenarios above. She's always been arrogant. She thinks she's pure and high-minded, and she's convinced her enemies are genuinely evil and out to get her (remember the right-wing Republican conspiracy she loves to talk about? She was paranoid long before the current investigation into her server) and she thinks Republicans deserve what they get. To her, that justifies every bad thing that happens to them, no matter how illegal or immoral.

    She must be stopped.

    I doubt Hillary or her flacks were traumatized by the email investigation. You or I would be, but people at the top are under constant threat of being sued or prosecuted and have to be able to brush it off. Trump is probably being sued by 5 or 10 different people right now. To get to the top today, you have to be willing to constantly bend the rules and still be able to sleep soundly.

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  122. @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    Bernie is not intelligent and he is badly educated. He believes he can recreate the social structure 1966 Sweden with the demographics of 2016 America. He seems to have no idea that America does not resemble Vermont any longer.

    But what a difference between Trump and Hillary. She barely won with the full weight of the DNC behind her. Trump crushed his opposition with the full weight of the GOP establishment against him.

    And speaking of weight. Did Hillary pick Kaine so she would not look overweight by comparison?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Did Hillary pick Kaine so she would not look overweight by comparison?
     
    No, Hill picked Kaine just in case she wins, in order to dissuade the lever-pullers from dropping the false floor out from underneath her.
  123. @Anonymous

    Because he’s already folded like the cheap tent he always was.
     
    I met Bernie Sanders one night in an airport, one-on-one, about 8 years ago. He is intense and exactly the same in person as what you see on TV. You could engage him in political discussion and he'd treat you like it was Face the Nation. Ron Paul was like this as well. I've met about 500 Congressional politicians and very few are like this. I recall Seymour Hersh was like this as well. Most politicians are very cordial but they were, well, politicians (smarmy salesmen).

    OT: Obama's half-brother in Kenya is registered to vote in Maryland and will be coming to the U.S. in November to vote for Trump. http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/

    “He is intense and exactly the same in person as what you see on TV.”

    OK. I hereby amend to

    “Because he’s already folded like the intense cheap tent he always was.”

  124. http://deadline.com/2016/07/star-trek-tv-series-comic-con-50th-anniversary-panel-bryan-fuller-william-shatner-brent-spiner-1201791545/

    Fuller was on the same page, clearly having an idea of where to take the discussion. “Individuality should be celebrated. Star Trek celebrates diversity.” He added: “It seems like a great statement from [Star Trek creator] Gene Roddenberry, who felt the human race just has to get along.”

    And if your individuality doesn’t “get along” with celebrating diversity, it won’t be tolerated.

    Diversity: a black leftist, a brown leftist, a yellow leftist, a “mixed” leftist, a Muslim, a Jew, and an atheistic homosexual white leftist.

  125. @snorlax
    OT: It seems that the Munich shooter actually was, as one of our commenters had joked, a Muslim far-right xenophobe. He apparently was a fan of Breivik and only shot Muslims: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-german-iranian-gunman-targeted-children-outside/

    As I said on another thread, many Westerners (and most of the Western media) don’t realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians are separate and distinct ethnicities, and that they have been mutually hostile for millennia. That doesn’t suddenly disappear just because the socialist diversity utopia says it should.

    Germany imported this millenia-old conflict, waved the multicult wand and said all brown people are kumbayah brothers. Of course, nothing of the sort happened, so it must the right wing’s fault.

    Ali Daud Sonboly, now being called “David Sonboly” by the media, studied and admired all mass shooters in the region, among whom Brevik was prominent. His interest appears to be in methods not politics.

    Another observation: the fecklessness of the authorities. Twenty-three-hundred(!) heavily armed and armored police in response to one untrained 18 year old gunman with a single low-velocity handgun, and yet the gunman manages wander half a mile from the shooting site undisturbed except by a disarmed civilian hurling abuse and a beer bottle at him. 2300 police never get off a shot and the the gunman dies by by his own hand, probably more wounded by the civilian’s words than by anything the “authorities” did.

    The government’s statements on this all boil down to: “Don’t blame us this time. Please continue discussing bullying and gun control.”

  126. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hillary Clinton has spent at least a year, almost since day one, going on and on about being the favorite, leading the polls, getting the most endorsements, having practically almost already won, and so on.

    However, if this gets enough attention (hint hint) it could backfire, by making people skeptical of the comments they see every day from friends (and pseudo-friends and press and advertisers) on Facebook. Also, it will give a quick easy comeback to anyone who supports her in any chatroom. Then it could even plant the idea that Hillary’s overwhelming support from superdelegates, press, and even social media types is actually a bit of an illusion. If people begin to question what percent of the advocacy they see every day is genuine they might even start to think for themselves.

    And THAT could definitely hurt her chances.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    Somebody earlier today in this thread or another Sailer thread posted about a new poll showing Trump ahead of Hillary nationwide. I checked it out on RCP and found yet another subsequent poll showing Trump ahead nationwide. Then I noticed that many of the earlier polls showing Hillary with a lead were based on Registered Voters ("RV") while the later polls tend to be based on Likely Voters ("LV"). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

    That transition happens late in every election cycle. With the switch to Likely Voters, I think we will start to see Trump consistently leading Hillary. For the record, I have been predicting a comfortable Trump victory for a number of months now. (BTW I see Scott Adams has switched back to predicting a substantial Trump victory: "As I have already blogged, all Trump needs to do is NOT act like a crazy racist for the next few months and he will win bigly. This speech introduced no new outrages, and voters are starting to get used to the old ones. So on a strategic level, it was a strong performance. If Trump does more of this, and adds no new outrages, he’ll glide to a comfortable victory." (July 22 blog))
  127. These kinds of “hasbara” operations are only effective when there’s some sort of underlying enthusiasm on behalf of the person or institution which is sponsoring the operation. Is anyone really that excited about the person of Hillary Rodham Clinton? Except for a small handful of feminoids who want a woman to be President for that sake alone. And I can hardly expect the elderly black church ladies who provided her the crucial votes to her to beat Bernie Sanders to sit in front of a screen and do internet trolling.

    • Replies: @Laugh Track
    My quite elderly mother (89+), a pretty standard bleeding-heart liberal (sorry, Mom), opines that "I just think it's time for a woman to be president". But if you get into particulars with her about Hillary, she is hardly thrilled with her. It's more a case that she is horrified by Trump. I gather that according to her solid middle-class college-educated WASP aesthetic, he is simply a vulgarian with a yen for self-aggrandizing power.
  128. @eah
    OT (a World War T "Operation")

    Nickelodeon’s ‘Loud House’ to Feature Married Gay Couple

    The children’s TV network will introduce a bi-racial gay couple on the animated show “The Loud House.”

    I guess 'white bread' homosexuality is too yesterday -- it has to be "bi-racial".

    It’s interesting how the white man (in the loud coup) is the obvious “mother” of Clyde.

    It ties in with the previous Updike article (where at least he won’t be cursing his half-Kenyan children with his unadulterated genome but instead giving them an Obamesque makeover) where stale pale male is some sort of anathema (until they demographically wither away into obscurity).

    It’s amazing to see the dysgenic qualities of the modern global order where the Hi-Low classes breed so much faster and effectively than the white bread (and white rice) middle masses. An end to the post War middle class order of the world, which technically was fatally undermined by the repeal of the Glass-Steagal act by President Clinton in 1999.

    Why we need another President Clinton in 2016 – http://www.wvgazettemail.com/gazette-op-ed-commentaries/20160724/paula-dwyer-republicans-scary-plan-to-restore-glass-steagall

  129. @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    Saw that – it’s his campaign manager, not him.

    Re Bernie’s intelligence: he went to the University of Chicago. Jack D mentions Feynman’s accent. There are plenty of videos of him speaking on YouTube.

  130. @Grandpa Jack
    I find it interesting that the leaked DNC emails show there were plans to smear Trump with worse lies than for Sanders, but nearly all of the MSM is completely ignoring that.

    The MSM is pretty much ignoring all of it.

  131. @jesse helms think-alike
    Here it is:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-chief-accountable-dnc-emails-show/story?id=40825318

    Speaking of Bernie his over the top Noo Yawk jewish accent and speech patterns makes me think that he is of below-average Ashkenazi jew intelligence. In fact when I first heard him I thought his accent was put-on but he never varies from it.

    While it may not be entirely accurate to assess intelligence from the way someone talks I've always done so and it is usually accurate.

    Any thoughts on this Steve?

    Michael Savage used to do a pretty funny impression of his speaking stye, and called him a schmendrick who should be the one putting the pickles on the sandwiches in a Brooklyn deli.

    Takes another NY Jew to know one, I guess.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Savage and his type are acting out their centuries-old shtetl games. When his forbears were swarming all over each other in the old country, one of their parlor games was to nitpick each other to death. My Jewish neighbors call that the Jewish Disease.

    Relative status, aka the narcissism of small differences, was one of the few shtetl entertainment options, especially for those not amenable to pursue Talmudic study or at least learn to play the violin. Establishing and maintaining some semblance of relative status was of overriding importance when looking to advance economically or socially. Otherwise, how could you hope to marry up instead of down, for example. Somewhere, Tevye weeps.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Savage has a PhD and two masters degrees and still has an outer borough accent.
  132. Okay, I will say something about the campaign:

    If Trump manages to continue his inclusive rhetoric for African Americans, Latinos, and L-G-B-T-Q (be honest, how many thought he was going to screw that up?) Americans, he just might pull it off.

    The reason is that Hillary is already perceived as a turnoff by her own party. Everyone knows this. I don’t see anyone who is actually happy to see her representing the Dem ticket.

    Put another way, I think it will be impossible to run a “pro-Clinton” campaign. The only hope is an “anti-Trump” campaign. In other words, the Dems have to get out the vote because a Trump presidency will be a fate worse than death, but I don’t think most people think that.

    So my first prediction is that I think the Democrat turnout will be historically low. They just won’t be sufficiently energized by “hate Trump” to vote. I predict the dropoff in votes will be particularly dramatic in the AA community.

    My second prediction is that, if, and only if Republicans turn out in record numbers to vote for Trump, either because they like him or they are just not happy with the way things are now, Trump might just pull it off.

    The only relevance my comment has to the here and now is how the convention plays out in Philly. I mean: I could be wrong, they may be very energized and HRC will give a dynamite acceptance speech. But — I doubt it.

  133. @carol
    Michael Savage used to do a pretty funny impression of his speaking stye, and called him a schmendrick who should be the one putting the pickles on the sandwiches in a Brooklyn deli.

    Takes another NY Jew to know one, I guess.

    Savage and his type are acting out their centuries-old shtetl games. When his forbears were swarming all over each other in the old country, one of their parlor games was to nitpick each other to death. My Jewish neighbors call that the Jewish Disease.

    Relative status, aka the narcissism of small differences, was one of the few shtetl entertainment options, especially for those not amenable to pursue Talmudic study or at least learn to play the violin. Establishing and maintaining some semblance of relative status was of overriding importance when looking to advance economically or socially. Otherwise, how could you hope to marry up instead of down, for example. Somewhere, Tevye weeps.

  134. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Chutzpah!

    In a quite shocking ‘beyond caring what the average joe thinks’ move, Hillary Clinton just announced that Debbie Wasserman Schultz will serve as an honorary chair on Clinton’s campaign.

    As ABC reports, Clinton responded after Wasserman Schultz agreed to step down as chair at the end of this week’s Democratic National Convention.The move came after the publication last week of some 19,000 hacked emails, some of which suggested the DNC was favoring Clinton during the primary season.

  135. Steve, I’ve got a streamlined, less harsh version of my (mod limboed) OT comment that I will submit in a future thread…

    You can delete my current polemic (if you haven’t already). Thanks.

  136. Except for a small handful of feminoids who want a woman to be President for that sake alone.

    These people are sussed out by wondering aloud how many of them would have voted for, say, Sarah Palin for president, were she running against, say, Hussein. I think they’re effectively 0% of the voting population.

    In other words, the Dems have to get out the vote because a Trump presidency will be a fate worse than death, but I don’t think most people think that.

    I also don’t think it’s a very effective strategy. People seem to need someone to vote for, and to be harder to mobilize to vote against someone. Everyone right-of-center hated Hussein by 2012, but Romney wasn’t blowing anyone’s skirt up (outside the Chamber of Commerce).

    So my first prediction is that I think the Democrat turnout will be historically low. They just won’t be sufficiently energized by “hate Trump” to vote. I predict the dropoff in votes will be particularly dramatic in the AA community.

    My second prediction is that, if, and only if Republicans turn out in record numbers to vote for Trump, either because they like him or they are just not happy with the way things are now, Trump might just pull it off.

    Your predictions are redundant. If Democrat turnout is historically low, Trump won’t need record turnout to win. And if Trump gets record turnout, he’ll win, if Democrat turnout is no better than average.

  137. @Olorin
    Maw Clinton, again.

    I thought my disgust with this creature had peaked. Then Johnny Walker over in the Stephen Miller thread (comment 9)...

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/stephen-miller-discusses-trump-speech-with-tapper-blitzer/

    ...posted this video with this still:

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/b-haK9aaoLM

    (Carefully cropped from the frame is the big microphone Kaine is holding in his left hand, though you can see it in the embedded vid in Johnny's comment.)

    I apply to this captured spontaneous moment the Erving Goffmanesque analysis so popular among Studies Studies feminists:

    She displays--quite naturally and instinctively--ritualized subordination, licensed withdrawal, deferential posture, object-of-attention, gooshy female reactions/behaviors, and the proto-seductive upper-arm-to-chest body contact.

    This woman reacts like this to a younger man gazing down at her, waving a big mic.

    This woman wants control of America's nuclear arsenal.

    I agree with you – she is a wonderful woman!

    She knows how to get things done.

    For example, Kaddafffy.

    And, she is a woman, a wonderful woman, and who can imagine more of an outsider than a woman running to be the first woman president?!!!

  138. @Anonymous
    Well, although it doesn't sound like they would convert people by their arguments, besides identifying the best young potential propagandists, the JIDF-esque actions do have another function:

    Information overload.

    Orwell envisioned that the ultimate police state would control all information flow and delete anything bad for the state. That may be the case. However, if you can't control the information, and your opponent has some strong facts on their side, the next best thing is to so saturate the market with conflicting information/opinions/talking points that your opponents' argument/facts get lost in the cacophony of "who can really know what's true?"

    Flood the playing field so everything gets too muddy to sort out. Game gets called on account of rain. If you were losing anyway, that kind of tie is really a win.

    I remember an old Star Trek:The Next Generation episode (might have even had a guest appearance by Dr. Spock). The Bad Aliens were planning on invading Planet X via some convoluted means, and the Bad Alien Leader revealed the plans to captured Federation guys in a classic Bond Villain/Supervillain exposition .

    The plan involved the Bad Aliens sending some false information to the planet in a fake emergency scenario. The Federation guy says that Planet X was too smart and wouldn't believe such false information. The Bad Alien guy counters: "We don't need them to believe us. We just need them to be confused long enough to carry out our plan."

    That's pretty much how hasbara-type campaigns work. They don't need you to believe their counterattacks, just to be confused as to what actually is going on via a lot of white noise and double talk until the average joe just throws up his hands and walks away. It's how the Clintons have gotten away with a lot of their scandals: her and her changing stories and multiple different witnesses contradicting each other make it really hard to tell what happened, and the average joe loses interest.

    A good prosecutor could, in fact, make it make sense. Or it could fall apart if a defendant had an ounce of shame. Unfortunately, neither has occurred with the Clintons.

    Most perceptive…and accurate.

    This is related to the phenomenon of “gaslighting” (as it is called) in abusive relationships.

  139. @AndrewR
    Maybe. The ability to adapt one's accent may seem like a sign of intelligence for those of us who are skilled at doing so, and I don't think Bernie is exactly brilliant, but I doubt there's a perfect correlation.

    There may be a correlation but it’s orthogonal. Some people are great with accents, others not so, kind of forcing the world to adapt to them rather than the other way around. E.g. Kissinger left Germany as a boy and still has a strong accent. I would not want to argue the case that Kissinger is anything less than exceptionally intelligent.

    I just watched part of a youtube clip on Kissinger talking ISIS and Trump. Still alive and lucid, though my guess is he’d now need something a little stronger than power for an aphrodisiac.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Kissinger's businessman brother who is only 2 years younger has an American accent. Why? "Because I am the Kissinger who listens."
  140. @Grandpa Jack
    "The Russian government has set up a hasbara system similar to Israel’s. America, in contrast, has lots of Volunteer Auxiliary Thought Police."

    We've got several here who are well known to all your readers. It wouldn't really surprise me to find some or all of them are '50 cent party' fellas working for some liberal organization/individual, like the Soros trans*boy brigade.

    When I was at Rutgers, I saw a number of advertisements posted for paid social activist positions, though not specifically for online spots. Libs have to fake the grassroots aspect of so many of their positions, because they're not really anywhere near as popular among the masses as the media would have you believe- its all superficial posturing "a mile wide and an inch deep" as the saying goes.

    This is always on my mind when I hear the news talking about the latest poll that has same sex marriage just being approved by more and more people. “support is up to 65%”, they’ll intone out breathlessly. Yeah, right. I don’t trust any of these numbers for crap.

  141. @iffen
    It will be interesting to me to see if any of the paid commenters show up here at Unz or not.

    I’d bet a bottle of 18-year Islay they already have. Prolly our host mods them out…or lets them in selectively for our consideration.

    What pins my Crapdar in the red: their positions come across as either rationalish or emotionalish…but generally clang false. And avoid facts altogether.

    That’s the problem with trying to enmerde facts with a drekstorm. It always whiffs of the brown stuff.

  142. @Anonym
    There may be a correlation but it's orthogonal. Some people are great with accents, others not so, kind of forcing the world to adapt to them rather than the other way around. E.g. Kissinger left Germany as a boy and still has a strong accent. I would not want to argue the case that Kissinger is anything less than exceptionally intelligent.

    I just watched part of a youtube clip on Kissinger talking ISIS and Trump. Still alive and lucid, though my guess is he'd now need something a little stronger than power for an aphrodisiac.

    Kissinger’s businessman brother who is only 2 years younger has an American accent. Why? “Because I am the Kissinger who listens.”

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    Ted Koppel is actually British-born and had the accent who came over as a kid, but he said it was beaten out of him by classmates in America. He made a joke once that if he'd just been 6 inches taller during his teenage years he'd sound like a posh Brit to this day.

    I think the key about losing your accent is whether other people making fun of you/beating you up for it makes you change it. Kissenger comes off as pretty intimidating to be around and very self-confident, so maybe he was just too strong to be forced to change his accent.

    Many Boston accented folks don't lose the accent if they move away, but many folks who move to Boston for college get self-conscious and try to lose their regional accent. I never knew why this occurred until one guy from outside New England told me that the Boston accent comes off as extremely tough/hostile, so fewer people make fun of Bostonians for their accent while people coming to Boston get intimidated more often.

    , @Foreign Expert
    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .
    , @Dave Pinsen
    I wonder if Henry ran Theranos by his younger brother.
  143. @Steve Sailer
    He did it well in The Hudsucker Proxy, although most people hate that movie.

    I actually liked Hudsucker, although you have to be in a mood for it. A nice partial homage to Capra, as well as to ’30s screwball comedies. Jennifer Jason Leigh really stole it with that Rosalind Russell-esque vocal performance.

    Robbins also did well as the hayseed slob wunderkind pitcher in Bull Durham. And as the airhead-hippie who’s a sexual threat to steal John Cusack’s girlfriend in High Fidelity. But he just can’t pull off anything that isn’t a spacey/naive.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Robbins also did well as the hayseed slob wunderkind pitcher in Bull Durham. And as the airhead-hippie who’s a sexual threat to steal John Cusack’s girlfriend in High Fidelity. But he just can’t pull off anything that isn’t a spacey/naive."

    Now I know you haven't seen Arlington Road. Please do--terrific cast and pretty suspenseful. Not keen on the message but you can't have everything.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Robbins wasn't bad as an astronaut in Mission To Mars.

    Even though Hollywood is liberal, I wonder if his zealously leftwing politics have hurt his career at all. He once appeared on Bill Maher's show wearing a t-shirt saying, "What Would Jesus Bomb?".
  144. @Steve Sailer
    Kissinger's businessman brother who is only 2 years younger has an American accent. Why? "Because I am the Kissinger who listens."

    Ted Koppel is actually British-born and had the accent who came over as a kid, but he said it was beaten out of him by classmates in America. He made a joke once that if he’d just been 6 inches taller during his teenage years he’d sound like a posh Brit to this day.

    I think the key about losing your accent is whether other people making fun of you/beating you up for it makes you change it. Kissenger comes off as pretty intimidating to be around and very self-confident, so maybe he was just too strong to be forced to change his accent.

    Many Boston accented folks don’t lose the accent if they move away, but many folks who move to Boston for college get self-conscious and try to lose their regional accent. I never knew why this occurred until one guy from outside New England told me that the Boston accent comes off as extremely tough/hostile, so fewer people make fun of Bostonians for their accent while people coming to Boston get intimidated more often.

    • Replies: @Dave Shanken
    I think age is the key factor in the Kissinger brothers' accents. The younger brother was young enough to automatically loose the German accent; Heinrich was not.
  145. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    I can say with certainty that the word Harambe does not appear in the emails revealed so far, but this was funny:

    https://twitter.com/almyrOH/status/757296440167194624

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  146. A leading figure in Canadian Mensa has a “mid-Atlantic” accent because she came from England when of junior-high age. She says her younger brother, who was about ten, was so fed up with being teased as a “limey” that he’s defiantly held on to his British way of speech to this day.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    A leading figure in Canadian Mensa ...
     
    Ha!
    , @Bill Jones
    I came to the US in my thirties. At that point I'd lost the Scouse accent of my native Liverpool to sound vaguely northern English, short rather than long vowels etc.
    I still to this day- well last Thursday at least; frequently get the "I love your accent" line always from women by the way.
    My usual response is- "I do not have an accent, you do- you forget whose language you are trying to speak."
    That normally sorts the wheat from the chaff PDQ.
  147. Kinda OT, but next weekend is UFO Days in Elmwood, Wisconsin, where a lot of Sailers live, and where they are the local meat merchants.

    • Replies: @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    "where a lot of Sailers live, and where they are the local meat merchants."
    Why are you calling Steve a "Meat Merchant"? That's anti-semitic.
  148. Here Steve.
    I believe we have reached peak PC

    According to the BBC

    The Munich shooter was a “tanned German”.

    http://happyacres.tumblr.com/post/147848265579

  149. @Maj. Kong
    You inferred too much, I did not claim that Sanders was/is a Leninist with sympathies for the USSR. What I did say is that older generations have a negative reaction to socialism because they associate it with the USSR. Younger generations, the staunchest supporters of Sanders, don't.

    Given the current and likely future state of Sweden, the stigma against socialism will be coming back quite soon.

    Maybe older generations are sclerotic and brainwashed. The Cold War ended over a quarter century ago.

    Sweden isn’t going to shit because of its government entitlements. Its welfare state worked fine before mass immigration and only an closed-minded, ignorant, reflexively “anti-socialist” American would claim otherwise. The problem is that they don’t understand that ethnic homogeneity is what made their system work. Importing millions of people with vastly different values, temperaments and aptitudes cannot lead to a sustainable social system. In no way is Sweden’s cucked immigration system inseparable from its welfare system.

    • Replies: @utu
    "The problem is that they don’t understand that ethnic homogeneity is what made their system work. " - Exactly. The useful idiots who propagandized in Sweden to open borders to improve their genetic pool (in late 50's and 60's) perhaps did not understand that. But people who were really behind this venture did because the purpose of multiculti in Sweden was to break the cohesion and solidarity to make the population ready for the next step, i.e., the neoliberal dog eats dog world. Big business, big money, industrial-military complex they love the multiculti. People will never be able organize and unite to oppose them while fighting for scraps and being at each others' throats. We often forget that it is the Right that benefits from the multiculti agenda the most. The Left are the useful idiots. They benefit nothing but do all the dirty work. They are paid in brownie points to be redeemed in the future life for their good deeds.
  150. I suspect that a lot of what determines whether one maintains or loses one’s accent when one gets older is simple talent for picking up a new way of speaking.

    Some people have a gift for imitation, and can pretty well mimic any kind of speech, accent and all. Others can’t do so for the life of them. It doesn’t seem to be very well correlated with other kinds of intelligence, as best I can see. My guess is that there is a particular part of the brain that underpins this ability, and some just have more of it than others.

    Parrots can do it, so the IQ requirement is probably not great.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don't build Cessnas. Can any Parrot be said to "speak well"? It seems fluency would be a prerequisite and no lower animal has linguistic fluency. "Picking up a new way of speaking" involves understanding new syntaxes, vocabulary and in some cases entire writing systems, far more than mere mimickery. Foreign languages are often times very foreign. Seldom is there an exact translation for anything but the simplest phrases, which is why Google Translate so often produces comical results. Someone posted a video a while back of a computer scientist from early 60's claiming translators would be out of work by 1970, a bit overoptimistic. The degree to which translating is not easily reduced to algorithms I think is a measure of how foreign many languages are to each other.

    So maybe if you're talking solely about phonetics its not strongly correlated with intelligence but from my experience I have to seriously doubt even that. If you took a group of 100 people who had, say, learned Spanish after age 18 within a certain time frame and submitted them to a test of speaking and listening ability by which they were rated don't you think that rating distribution would likely overlap tightly with a corresponding IQ distribution for that group?

    I think egregious counterexamples like Edward Teller, who's barely comprehensible yet who no doubt understood both written and spoken English superbly, are more than likely extreme outliers, not representative cases. Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    , @ben tillman

    I suspect that a lot of what determines whether one maintains or loses one’s accent when one gets older is simple talent for picking up a new way of speaking.
     
    It may work differently for others, but this does not fit my experience. I still sound like several of my cousins despite moving south of the Mason-Dixon line as an infant, yet my German and Swedish accents are outstanding, and I even get compliments on my French accent (though I can say little more than "I don't speak French."
  151. I always suspect that antiwar.com is part of the Russian Good News Network as they never ever reference anything from RT.com.

    Still… Hillary Clinton as the final heroin trip of the dying empire:

    http://original.antiwar.com/john-v-walsh/2015/12/07/diana-johnstone-dissects-hillary-queen-of-chaos/

    Johnstone’s new book, Queen of Chaos: The Misadventures of Hillary Clinton, is a must read, but it must be read carefully. It is a must read because it is a capsule history of the US Empire’s depredations over the past 25 years since the end of the Cold War when the Clintons came upon the national scene. Given the ever sharper confrontation which our elite is engineering with Russia and China, one that could well lead to nuclear war, this is a history we all need to review and understand correctly. Our very survival may well depend on it. And the book must be read carefully because, being both slim and comprehensive, it is packed tightly with information and pointed political insight. Such an eloquent and compact chronicle is of enormous usefulness right now.

    Queen is not a gossipy bio, delineating Hillary’s shallow, belligerent, mendacious, psychopathic character, although such a tome, necessarily massive, would be welcome. These characteristics of Hillary’s necessarily emerge to some degree in Queen of Chaos. but personality portrayals not the core of the book. Rather the book is historical. Johnstone sees Clinton as both a product of her times – privileged child of the U.S. Empire, white, Wellesley, Yale, a dishonest and ultimately fired operative on the Watergate committee right out of law school – as well as a ruthless actor in a global drama growing ever more deadly. The book is more history than Hillary. But by going this route Johnstone grasps the essential Clinton with crystal clarity.

    Johnstone begins her book with an assessment of Hillary as a creature of the “American Century,” but that period is drawing rapidly to a close with the rise of China, which is pulling other developing countries along. In fact the 500 year Euro-American epoch of global dominance is coming to an end, and quickly so on a historical scale. Hillary and company are quite unprepared to accept this inevitability. There is no need to adapt to the changing world in their eyes. As Secretary of State, Hillary once gloated that there was no need for the U.S to change its ways because those ways have been working splendidly! If president, she will have the power to plunge us into nuclear Armageddon rather than abandon the dream of global domination and adapt peacefully to the new situation in the world. This blindness and willfulness may yet result in the greatest cataclysm, the worst chaos, that humanity has ever witnessed.

  152. @Reg Cæsar
    A leading figure in Canadian Mensa has a "mid-Atlantic" accent because she came from England when of junior-high age. She says her younger brother, who was about ten, was so fed up with being teased as a "limey" that he's defiantly held on to his British way of speech to this day.

    A leading figure in Canadian Mensa …

    Ha!

  153. @Steve Sailer
    Kissinger's businessman brother who is only 2 years younger has an American accent. Why? "Because I am the Kissinger who listens."

    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Jack D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch5XlY4nKJI

    I think that FDR actually has a stranger accent. TR sounds like he has a high pitched voice but it might be related to the playback speed of the recording.
    , @PiltdownMan

    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .
     

    And if you already know a language, but move after puberty to another country that speaks the same language but with a different accent, you will never acquire a native accent. You hear this in English speaking Indian immigrants to this country who moved in childhood or adolescence. Accents vary, depending on the age they moved at, just as with the Kissinger brothers, who likely learned English after moving.

    Accents shift significantly over a century. Today's Americans sound little like the Americans in a 1950s TV show or a movie, and the Americans of the 19th Century sounded very different from those of the 1950s.

    Here's a sound clip of William McKinley from 1896.

    http://www.lib.msu.edu/cs/branches/vvl/presidents/mckinley.html


    Many of us Americans also don't fully realize that the cut-glass British accents of the 1940s and 1950s, or RP accents in general, were quite different from British accents in the Victorian era.

    Here is a 19th c. recording of Tennyson, born 1809, reciting 'The Charge of the Light Brigade.' He sounds like a Martian.

    http://www.poetryarchive.org/poem/charge-light-brigade

  154. @Reg Cæsar
    A leading figure in Canadian Mensa has a "mid-Atlantic" accent because she came from England when of junior-high age. She says her younger brother, who was about ten, was so fed up with being teased as a "limey" that he's defiantly held on to his British way of speech to this day.

    I came to the US in my thirties. At that point I’d lost the Scouse accent of my native Liverpool to sound vaguely northern English, short rather than long vowels etc.
    I still to this day- well last Thursday at least; frequently get the “I love your accent” line always from women by the way.
    My usual response is- “I do not have an accent, you do- you forget whose language you are trying to speak.”
    That normally sorts the wheat from the chaff PDQ.

  155. Building a wall around America = bad
    Building a wall around the Democratic Convention = good

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-erects-four-mile-fence-around-philly-convention-site/

    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    Who Whom at work again. Things can only be bad if Conservatives/Whites/Men/Christians/Americans do them. If they are done by Liberals/brown folks/women/riff-raff, then by default they're done for good and are above reproach.
    , @The Alarmist

    "Building a wall around America = bad
    Building a wall around the Democratic Convention = good"
     
    Building a wall around America = good
    Building a wall around the Democratic Convention = better still

    There, fixed it for ya
  156. @whorefinder
    I actually liked Hudsucker, although you have to be in a mood for it. A nice partial homage to Capra, as well as to '30s screwball comedies. Jennifer Jason Leigh really stole it with that Rosalind Russell-esque vocal performance.

    Robbins also did well as the hayseed slob wunderkind pitcher in Bull Durham. And as the airhead-hippie who's a sexual threat to steal John Cusack's girlfriend in High Fidelity. But he just can't pull off anything that isn't a spacey/naive.

    “Robbins also did well as the hayseed slob wunderkind pitcher in Bull Durham. And as the airhead-hippie who’s a sexual threat to steal John Cusack’s girlfriend in High Fidelity. But he just can’t pull off anything that isn’t a spacey/naive.”

    Now I know you haven’t seen Arlington Road. Please do–terrific cast and pretty suspenseful. Not keen on the message but you can’t have everything.

  157. @carol
    Michael Savage used to do a pretty funny impression of his speaking stye, and called him a schmendrick who should be the one putting the pickles on the sandwiches in a Brooklyn deli.

    Takes another NY Jew to know one, I guess.

    Savage has a PhD and two masters degrees and still has an outer borough accent.

  158. @Steve Sailer
    Kissinger's businessman brother who is only 2 years younger has an American accent. Why? "Because I am the Kissinger who listens."

    I wonder if Henry ran Theranos by his younger brother.

  159. @whorefinder
    I actually liked Hudsucker, although you have to be in a mood for it. A nice partial homage to Capra, as well as to '30s screwball comedies. Jennifer Jason Leigh really stole it with that Rosalind Russell-esque vocal performance.

    Robbins also did well as the hayseed slob wunderkind pitcher in Bull Durham. And as the airhead-hippie who's a sexual threat to steal John Cusack's girlfriend in High Fidelity. But he just can't pull off anything that isn't a spacey/naive.

    Robbins wasn’t bad as an astronaut in Mission To Mars.

    Even though Hollywood is liberal, I wonder if his zealously leftwing politics have hurt his career at all. He once appeared on Bill Maher’s show wearing a t-shirt saying, “What Would Jesus Bomb?”.

  160. @Glossy
    I think that smart people of prole backgrounds overwhelmingly tend to lose their accents. Feynman was a famous exception, Lennon and McCartney another. Feynman had a mischivous streak in him. He enjoyed playing with people's expectations. A genius talking like an outer borough shoe salesman - that must have seemed so much fun to him.

    “smart people of prole backgrounds overwhelmingly tend to lose their accents”

  161. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of Bernie Sanders, why hasn't he expressed outraged about the DNC leaks about him? Seems odd.

    Donald Trump weighs in on this:

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Unz.com is in one of its periodic fits where it doesn't display tweets. Sad!
  162. @Dave Pinsen
    Donald Trump weighs in on this:
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/757205678821928960

    Unz.com is in one of its periodic fits where it doesn’t display tweets. Sad!

  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @candid_observer
    I suspect that a lot of what determines whether one maintains or loses one's accent when one gets older is simple talent for picking up a new way of speaking.

    Some people have a gift for imitation, and can pretty well mimic any kind of speech, accent and all. Others can't do so for the life of them. It doesn't seem to be very well correlated with other kinds of intelligence, as best I can see. My guess is that there is a particular part of the brain that underpins this ability, and some just have more of it than others.

    Parrots can do it, so the IQ requirement is probably not great.

    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don’t build Cessnas. Can any Parrot be said to “speak well”? It seems fluency would be a prerequisite and no lower animal has linguistic fluency. “Picking up a new way of speaking” involves understanding new syntaxes, vocabulary and in some cases entire writing systems, far more than mere mimickery. Foreign languages are often times very foreign. Seldom is there an exact translation for anything but the simplest phrases, which is why Google Translate so often produces comical results. Someone posted a video a while back of a computer scientist from early 60’s claiming translators would be out of work by 1970, a bit overoptimistic. The degree to which translating is not easily reduced to algorithms I think is a measure of how foreign many languages are to each other.

    So maybe if you’re talking solely about phonetics its not strongly correlated with intelligence but from my experience I have to seriously doubt even that. If you took a group of 100 people who had, say, learned Spanish after age 18 within a certain time frame and submitted them to a test of speaking and listening ability by which they were rated don’t you think that rating distribution would likely overlap tightly with a corresponding IQ distribution for that group?

    I think egregious counterexamples like Edward Teller, who’s barely comprehensible yet who no doubt understood both written and spoken English superbly, are more than likely extreme outliers, not representative cases. Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one

    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don’t build Cessnas.
     
    Sure, but what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIlW-ovx0Y
    , @Lurker

    Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.
     
    There's probably an element of choice as well. Eg. I'm sure Arnold Schwarzenegger could tone the Germanic accent if he chose too.
    , @Former Darfur
    There are several things at work on the adult learning of languages. A big one is motivation, and another big one is that most people learn to converse in a language at the level that gets them what they want. The French-in particular Parisians, and some people in Quebec-respond to incorrect or bad French usage or pronunciation by pretending they do not understand the speaker, so you have to get it right. The Japanese react adversely to the attempts of gaijin to speak their language imperfectly, and likewise are mystified when gaijin get it exactly right, so you want to be just the slightest bit off. (Again, your purpose in using the language matters a lot. If you are looking to go to bed with Japanese girls, it's a whole different proposition than if you just want to buy something at Akihabara. (Hint: for most gaijin _not even trying_ to speak Japanese is going to be the better tactic with women.)) On the other hand, bad Spanish is much better than no Spanish in most of 'Latin' America.

    Aptitude matters a lot, but I think language aptitude is only loosely coupled to general intelligence. The military and the Mormons probably have reduced it to a science, but I haven't studied the results of their studies. (I suspect the Mormons choose not to publish some or all of what they know about selection for language instruction. I do know that the number of Mormon missionaries that fail in their assigned language studies is pretty low, but it does happen.

    There is also the phenomenon that certain peoples are a lot better at learning various languages than are certain other peoples. The Dutch seem to be phenomenally good.
    , @inertial

    Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.
     
    I think it correlates not with intelligence but with an ear for music and/or the singing ability. Changing your accent requires you to modulate your voice in order to match standard sound patterns. Those who lack any musical talent are simply unable to do so.
  164. utu says:
    @AndrewR
    Maybe older generations are sclerotic and brainwashed. The Cold War ended over a quarter century ago.

    Sweden isn't going to shit because of its government entitlements. Its welfare state worked fine before mass immigration and only an closed-minded, ignorant, reflexively "anti-socialist" American would claim otherwise. The problem is that they don't understand that ethnic homogeneity is what made their system work. Importing millions of people with vastly different values, temperaments and aptitudes cannot lead to a sustainable social system. In no way is Sweden's cucked immigration system inseparable from its welfare system.

    “The problem is that they don’t understand that ethnic homogeneity is what made their system work. ” – Exactly. The useful idiots who propagandized in Sweden to open borders to improve their genetic pool (in late 50’s and 60’s) perhaps did not understand that. But people who were really behind this venture did because the purpose of multiculti in Sweden was to break the cohesion and solidarity to make the population ready for the next step, i.e., the neoliberal dog eats dog world. Big business, big money, industrial-military complex they love the multiculti. People will never be able organize and unite to oppose them while fighting for scraps and being at each others’ throats. We often forget that it is the Right that benefits from the multiculti agenda the most. The Left are the useful idiots. They benefit nothing but do all the dirty work. They are paid in brownie points to be redeemed in the future life for their good deeds.

    • Replies: @Lurker

    We often forget that it is the Right that benefits from the multiculti agenda the most. The Left are the useful idiots. They benefit nothing but do all the dirty work. They are paid in brownie points to be redeemed in the future life for their good deeds.
     
    In this context the term 'the Right' is almost meaningless. These people have no ideology, they just desire power and wealth. Ironically if they do believe in anything it's probably some sort of left/liberal nonsense just like their useful idiot leftist foot soldiers.
  165. @The most deplorable one
    I can say with certainty that the word Harambe does not appear in the emails revealed so far, but this was funny:

    https://twitter.com/almyrOH/status/757296440167194624

    Thanks.

  166. @wren
    It is time for you to turn over a new leaf Steve. Come to the light. Get on the right side of history.

    Stop this racism, Steve. Stop this chauvinist, sexist, misogynist thinking and blogging.

    Collect some of that sweet, sweet Goldman and Qatari cash, Steve.

    http://youtu.be/26-VzfBZg1w

    Mephostophiles it is so nice to see you make a direct appeal, instead of your usual approach of using trolls.

    • Replies: @wren
    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I'm a man of wealth and taste
    I've been around for a long, long year
    Stole many a man's soul and faith

    ...

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what's puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    The word may derive from the Hebrew מֵפִיץ (mêp̄îṣ) which means "scatterer, disperser", and tophel, short for תֹּ֫פֶל שֶׁ֫קֶר (tōp̄el šeqer) which means "plasterer of lies".

    https://youtu.be/vqYJRc0TJkQ

  167. Parrots can do it, so the IQ requirement is probably not great.

    Never seen a parrot that could do a proper Boston accent.

  168. @Rob McX

    The truly important conspiracies are right out in plain view, and they’re not all that mysterious.
     
    Exactly. The really devastating things, like population replacement/genocide, are all done in plain sight, with people's noses rubbed in the ugly consequences every day. Beside this, things such as a shadowy conspiracy to kill this or that head of state, etc. are insignificant. Interesting, yes, but not significant in the general scheme of things.

    Well, I don’t know whether there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, but it seems clear that his assassination deeply affected the U.S. Had he not been killed, he most likely would have defeated Goldwater in 1964, but I doubt whether there would have been the landslide Democratic margins in the Congress that materialized as a result of his assassination and I doubt whether we would have seen the massive Great Society legislative program ushered in by LBJ. JFK simply lacked the legislative skills of LBJ. The Immigration Act of 1965 was, in the words of Theodore White, the worst of the Great Society legislation

  169. @Svigor
    Building a wall around America = bad
    Building a wall around the Democratic Convention = good

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-erects-four-mile-fence-around-philly-convention-site/

    Who Whom at work again. Things can only be bad if Conservatives/Whites/Men/Christians/Americans do them. If they are done by Liberals/brown folks/women/riff-raff, then by default they’re done for good and are above reproach.

  170. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Anonymous
    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don't build Cessnas. Can any Parrot be said to "speak well"? It seems fluency would be a prerequisite and no lower animal has linguistic fluency. "Picking up a new way of speaking" involves understanding new syntaxes, vocabulary and in some cases entire writing systems, far more than mere mimickery. Foreign languages are often times very foreign. Seldom is there an exact translation for anything but the simplest phrases, which is why Google Translate so often produces comical results. Someone posted a video a while back of a computer scientist from early 60's claiming translators would be out of work by 1970, a bit overoptimistic. The degree to which translating is not easily reduced to algorithms I think is a measure of how foreign many languages are to each other.

    So maybe if you're talking solely about phonetics its not strongly correlated with intelligence but from my experience I have to seriously doubt even that. If you took a group of 100 people who had, say, learned Spanish after age 18 within a certain time frame and submitted them to a test of speaking and listening ability by which they were rated don't you think that rating distribution would likely overlap tightly with a corresponding IQ distribution for that group?

    I think egregious counterexamples like Edward Teller, who's barely comprehensible yet who no doubt understood both written and spoken English superbly, are more than likely extreme outliers, not representative cases. Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don’t build Cessnas.

    Sure, but what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow:

  171. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Mephostophiles it is so nice to see you make a direct appeal, instead of your usual approach of using trolls.

    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I’m a man of wealth and taste
    I’ve been around for a long, long year
    Stole many a man’s soul and faith

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    The word may derive from the Hebrew מֵפִיץ (mêp̄îṣ) which means “scatterer, disperser”, and tophel, short for תֹּ֫פֶל שֶׁ֫קֶר (tōp̄el šeqer) which means “plasterer of lies”.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    However, in the song he refers to himself as Lucifer ... (Yes, I know, alter ego and all that.)
    , @Prof. Woland
    Never talk to strangers.
  172. @yowza
    George Stephenopolous needs a refresher course on the history of presidential elections, as well as ethics in Journalism.

    Otherwise he'll likely continue to allow hysterical nut jobs like Keith Ellison recite "facts," such as the claim that George Wallace had been a Republican presidential candidate, slide on by, as he did here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APlgEmnIHqM

    Stephenopolous was, and is, a political whore and a Clinton shill. Stephenopolous masked it well enough right out of the gate (white-trash James Carville famously called Stephenopolous a “common-traitor” ) but Stephie knows his gig is due his master Bill, and Hillary benefits just as if she were the patron to Stephie the client.

  173. @whorefinder
    Ted Koppel is actually British-born and had the accent who came over as a kid, but he said it was beaten out of him by classmates in America. He made a joke once that if he'd just been 6 inches taller during his teenage years he'd sound like a posh Brit to this day.

    I think the key about losing your accent is whether other people making fun of you/beating you up for it makes you change it. Kissenger comes off as pretty intimidating to be around and very self-confident, so maybe he was just too strong to be forced to change his accent.

    Many Boston accented folks don't lose the accent if they move away, but many folks who move to Boston for college get self-conscious and try to lose their regional accent. I never knew why this occurred until one guy from outside New England told me that the Boston accent comes off as extremely tough/hostile, so fewer people make fun of Bostonians for their accent while people coming to Boston get intimidated more often.

    I think age is the key factor in the Kissinger brothers’ accents. The younger brother was young enough to automatically loose the German accent; Heinrich was not.

  174. Internet technology has radically changed the mass communication environment: It’s no longer one way; it is now bidirectional. The Clinton campaign can hire all the operatives it can, to counter attack on line attackers. All they will do is make the discussion more interesting. They can never outnumber or shut down the opposition.

  175. @Cwhatfuture
    Bernie is not intelligent and he is badly educated. He believes he can recreate the social structure 1966 Sweden with the demographics of 2016 America. He seems to have no idea that America does not resemble Vermont any longer.

    But what a difference between Trump and Hillary. She barely won with the full weight of the DNC behind her. Trump crushed his opposition with the full weight of the GOP establishment against him.

    And speaking of weight. Did Hillary pick Kaine so she would not look overweight by comparison?

    Did Hillary pick Kaine so she would not look overweight by comparison?

    No, Hill picked Kaine just in case she wins, in order to dissuade the lever-pullers from dropping the false floor out from underneath her.

  176. @Olorin
    Maw Clinton, again.

    I thought my disgust with this creature had peaked. Then Johnny Walker over in the Stephen Miller thread (comment 9)...

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/stephen-miller-discusses-trump-speech-with-tapper-blitzer/

    ...posted this video with this still:

    https://www.youtube.com/embed/b-haK9aaoLM

    (Carefully cropped from the frame is the big microphone Kaine is holding in his left hand, though you can see it in the embedded vid in Johnny's comment.)

    I apply to this captured spontaneous moment the Erving Goffmanesque analysis so popular among Studies Studies feminists:

    She displays--quite naturally and instinctively--ritualized subordination, licensed withdrawal, deferential posture, object-of-attention, gooshy female reactions/behaviors, and the proto-seductive upper-arm-to-chest body contact.

    This woman reacts like this to a younger man gazing down at her, waving a big mic.

    This woman wants control of America's nuclear arsenal.

    Go back and watch her when Bernie is espousing his socialist agenda in exchange for his endorsement. Mrs. Clinton goes full bobblehead.

  177. @Rob McX
    As I understand it, he had information on several mass shootings, including Breivik's. Predictably, the cuckstream media are concentrating on that and slapping the "far-right" tag on him. By the way, if he really had 300 rounds of ammunition with him, it's hard to believe he hadn't some terrorist connections, albeit perhaps indirect. That's a hell of a lot of ammunition in Europe, where you can't even buy one round without a firearms permit, which he didn't seem to have.

    the cuckstream media are concentrating on that and slapping the “far-right” tag on him

    Aren’t a lot of Muslim fanatics what the media would call far right? Homophobic, patriarchal, misogynistic, fundamentalist, etc. It almost makes you wonder why the left wing loves them so much.

  178. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @wren
    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I'm a man of wealth and taste
    I've been around for a long, long year
    Stole many a man's soul and faith

    ...

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what's puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    The word may derive from the Hebrew מֵפִיץ (mêp̄îṣ) which means "scatterer, disperser", and tophel, short for תֹּ֫פֶל שֶׁ֫קֶר (tōp̄el šeqer) which means "plasterer of lies".

    https://youtu.be/vqYJRc0TJkQ

    However, in the song he refers to himself as Lucifer … (Yes, I know, alter ego and all that.)

    • Replies: @wren
    Lucifer, Mephostophiles, heck, Cthulu, we are all sockpuppets today.

    All shivering with antici...pation.

    I even hear that the Koch Bros are coming out for Hillary now.

    So much...good...news, it's easy to forget who I am.

    I identify as a transdemonic sockpuppet entity and...I'm with her!!!

    Hahahaha.
  179. @thotubeche looks like one of the paid accounts on twitter and all of the accounts followers also. They mostly repeat the same thing over and over.

  180. @Anonymous
    Hillary Clinton has spent at least a year, almost since day one, going on and on about being the favorite, leading the polls, getting the most endorsements, having practically almost already won, and so on.

    However, if this gets enough attention (hint hint) it could backfire, by making people skeptical of the comments they see every day from friends (and pseudo-friends and press and advertisers) on Facebook. Also, it will give a quick easy comeback to anyone who supports her in any chatroom. Then it could even plant the idea that Hillary's overwhelming support from superdelegates, press, and even social media types is actually a bit of an illusion. If people begin to question what percent of the advocacy they see every day is genuine they might even start to think for themselves.

    And THAT could definitely hurt her chances.

    Somebody earlier today in this thread or another Sailer thread posted about a new poll showing Trump ahead of Hillary nationwide. I checked it out on RCP and found yet another subsequent poll showing Trump ahead nationwide. Then I noticed that many of the earlier polls showing Hillary with a lead were based on Registered Voters (“RV”) while the later polls tend to be based on Likely Voters (“LV”). http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

    That transition happens late in every election cycle. With the switch to Likely Voters, I think we will start to see Trump consistently leading Hillary. For the record, I have been predicting a comfortable Trump victory for a number of months now. (BTW I see Scott Adams has switched back to predicting a substantial Trump victory: “As I have already blogged, all Trump needs to do is NOT act like a crazy racist for the next few months and he will win bigly. This speech introduced no new outrages, and voters are starting to get used to the old ones. So on a strategic level, it was a strong performance. If Trump does more of this, and adds no new outrages, he’ll glide to a comfortable victory.” (July 22 blog))

  181. @Foreign Expert
    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .

    I think that FDR actually has a stranger accent. TR sounds like he has a high pitched voice but it might be related to the playback speed of the recording.

  182. @Jack D
    Yes, that's exactly how Russia's disinformation system works. You are not going to change the minds of true believers on the other side but you can get the people in the middle to be so disgusted with the internet that they avoid it completely.

    That’s pretty funny coming from someone who’s been accused of being a Hasbara agent.

  183. @wren
    Please allow me to introduce myself
    I'm a man of wealth and taste
    I've been around for a long, long year
    Stole many a man's soul and faith

    ...

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you guess my name
    But what's puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    The word may derive from the Hebrew מֵפִיץ (mêp̄îṣ) which means "scatterer, disperser", and tophel, short for תֹּ֫פֶל שֶׁ֫קֶר (tōp̄el šeqer) which means "plasterer of lies".

    https://youtu.be/vqYJRc0TJkQ

    Never talk to strangers.

  184. @Svigor
    K this is pretty iSteve-y:

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/

    Thanks for the interesting link. The reporter says that Obama’s half-brother is actually registered to vote in Maryland but doesn’t say how he achieved U.S. citizenship. So now we not only have dead people voting Democratic, we have live Kenyans saying they will be voting Republican in the next election? Interesting.

    Also, I wonder if anyone knows how the Obama half-brother living in the Nairobi shack is doing. I do hope his prominent family both in Africa and America has helped him get his life back on track.

  185. @countenance
    These kinds of "hasbara" operations are only effective when there's some sort of underlying enthusiasm on behalf of the person or institution which is sponsoring the operation. Is anyone really that excited about the person of Hillary Rodham Clinton? Except for a small handful of feminoids who want a woman to be President for that sake alone. And I can hardly expect the elderly black church ladies who provided her the crucial votes to her to beat Bernie Sanders to sit in front of a screen and do internet trolling.

    My quite elderly mother (89+), a pretty standard bleeding-heart liberal (sorry, Mom), opines that “I just think it’s time for a woman to be president”. But if you get into particulars with her about Hillary, she is hardly thrilled with her. It’s more a case that she is horrified by Trump. I gather that according to her solid middle-class college-educated WASP aesthetic, he is simply a vulgarian with a yen for self-aggrandizing power.

  186. @The most deplorable one
    However, in the song he refers to himself as Lucifer ... (Yes, I know, alter ego and all that.)

    Lucifer, Mephostophiles, heck, Cthulu, we are all sockpuppets today.

    All shivering with antici…pation.

    I even hear that the Koch Bros are coming out for Hillary now.

    So much…good…news, it’s easy to forget who I am.

    I identify as a transdemonic sockpuppet entity and…I’m with her!!!

    Hahahaha.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Digital Puppet News Team.

    http://66.media.tumblr.com/df81faf64c96dcf5c0e6061e32464c52/tumblr_mhsd0rF3gN1r8yo2fo1_500.jpg

    Hm, I have to get to work on some Hillary and Koch lines.

    On second thought, naaaah. Those will write themselves.

  187. @Svigor

    We’d be having three women–Hilary, Huma, and Cheryl Mills–who have been threatened with prosecution and jail, seizing the reins of power.
     
    Oy vey. A Yenta Junta. A Yunta. Or a...nah, Steve would block that.

    I have a question.

    How come the phrase “white trash” is never used for other races, ethnicities, etc?

     

    It's been discussed at iSteve several times, noob. :)

    It's a backhanded insult to non-whites, when you think about it.


    Im a german and even i want to know what went down on 9/11
     
    Arabs crashed some planes into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. The end.

    The conspiracies are kind of like the ones about the Moon landings; they say more about the theorist than reality. "OMG, no waaaay Arabs could crash a plane!" "OMG, no waaaay white men could put white men on the Moon!"


    Our current government is stuffed with Obamabots.
     
    *taps mic again* Obamatons; clearly superior, clearly a non-starter. Why do I even try?

    Look at what happens when Obama is without a teleprompter. It’s like slamming on the brakes.
     
    If-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if-if

    P.S., looks like Ron streamlined the code again. Thanks Ron!

    If you don’t believe the building 7 story you can’t believe any of it!

  188. @Chrisnonymous
    Steve,

    Speaking of Rumsfeld's highly conceptual known-knowns, what happened to him? Steve, please don't age like this!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7cRK_uZj_U

    Rumsfeld is now 84 years old. He looks better than Hillary is likely to in another 15 years.

  189. @Reg Cæsar
    Kinda OT, but next weekend is UFO Days in Elmwood, Wisconsin, where a lot of Sailers live, and where they are the local meat merchants.

    “where a lot of Sailers live, and where they are the local meat merchants.”
    Why are you calling Steve a “Meat Merchant”? That’s anti-semitic.

  190. @Maj. Kong
    Bernie Sanders is not what we would call a: rational actor. His campaign was more of a barnstorming tour for socialism, rather than a serious candidacy.

    Consider that for the first time since Debs, a socialist was a major contender for President. The stigma of the USSR is gone for millennials.

    Despite the Bern's tenuous relationship with the Democratic Party, he's not going to undermine the left's pain train of identity politics. A Trump presidency is the closest any of us have ever dreamed of reaching an immigration shutdown.

    I wonder if the stigma of Venezuela is gone for millennials.

  191. @Jack D
    Yes, that's exactly how Russia's disinformation system works. You are not going to change the minds of true believers on the other side but you can get the people in the middle to be so disgusted with the internet that they avoid it completely.

    Yes, the Russians played that game in recent years with the murder of Nemtsov and the shooting-down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine.

    One tactic for working one’s way through the confusion of misinformation is to look for the explanation that is NOT being heavily promoted – look for what ISN’T there, rather than what is being pushed at you.

    For example, none of the many planted hypotheses about Nemtsov’s murder discussed the possibility that Putin had ordered him murdered.

  192. @Kylie
    Tim Robbins is the only left-wing celebrity whom I respect. He's a gifted actor and, I think, a man of some integrity.

    > He’s a gifted actor

    “actors are cattle” – Alfred Hitchcock

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "@Kylie
    > He’s a gifted actor

    “actors are cattle” – Alfred Hitchcock"

    Poor Hitch. I'm not surprised he was bitter after being rejected by several cool, elegant blonde cows.
  193. Sailer throws out the word ”hasbara”. Ctrl-F ‘whiskey’, Bingo. Hi (((Whiskey)))!

  194. > an Israeli article about Israel’s elaborate hasbara program: Although this Israeli system has been widely rumored to be operative for years, my first thought was that this didn’t sound very cost-effective

    Believe what you like, but i’m claiming that this, like all other such Israeli ops, happens to ALSO be configured in a framework which ensures a ~net~ cash flow FROM the Jews of the diaspora TO Israel.

    It’s been that way since the Mishkan still sat in Shiloh, 400 years before David’s conquest of Jerusalem.

  195. @utu
    "The problem is that they don’t understand that ethnic homogeneity is what made their system work. " - Exactly. The useful idiots who propagandized in Sweden to open borders to improve their genetic pool (in late 50's and 60's) perhaps did not understand that. But people who were really behind this venture did because the purpose of multiculti in Sweden was to break the cohesion and solidarity to make the population ready for the next step, i.e., the neoliberal dog eats dog world. Big business, big money, industrial-military complex they love the multiculti. People will never be able organize and unite to oppose them while fighting for scraps and being at each others' throats. We often forget that it is the Right that benefits from the multiculti agenda the most. The Left are the useful idiots. They benefit nothing but do all the dirty work. They are paid in brownie points to be redeemed in the future life for their good deeds.

    We often forget that it is the Right that benefits from the multiculti agenda the most. The Left are the useful idiots. They benefit nothing but do all the dirty work. They are paid in brownie points to be redeemed in the future life for their good deeds.

    In this context the term ‘the Right’ is almost meaningless. These people have no ideology, they just desire power and wealth. Ironically if they do believe in anything it’s probably some sort of left/liberal nonsense just like their useful idiot leftist foot soldiers.

    • Replies: @utu
    "In this context the term ‘the Right’ is almost meaningless. " - People on the Right are are fully aware that they support "these people" who "have no ideology, [who] just desire power and wealth." People on the Left think they are fighting these people.
  196. @Anonymous
    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don't build Cessnas. Can any Parrot be said to "speak well"? It seems fluency would be a prerequisite and no lower animal has linguistic fluency. "Picking up a new way of speaking" involves understanding new syntaxes, vocabulary and in some cases entire writing systems, far more than mere mimickery. Foreign languages are often times very foreign. Seldom is there an exact translation for anything but the simplest phrases, which is why Google Translate so often produces comical results. Someone posted a video a while back of a computer scientist from early 60's claiming translators would be out of work by 1970, a bit overoptimistic. The degree to which translating is not easily reduced to algorithms I think is a measure of how foreign many languages are to each other.

    So maybe if you're talking solely about phonetics its not strongly correlated with intelligence but from my experience I have to seriously doubt even that. If you took a group of 100 people who had, say, learned Spanish after age 18 within a certain time frame and submitted them to a test of speaking and listening ability by which they were rated don't you think that rating distribution would likely overlap tightly with a corresponding IQ distribution for that group?

    I think egregious counterexamples like Edward Teller, who's barely comprehensible yet who no doubt understood both written and spoken English superbly, are more than likely extreme outliers, not representative cases. Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    There’s probably an element of choice as well. Eg. I’m sure Arnold Schwarzenegger could tone the Germanic accent if he chose too.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams

    There’s probably an element of choice as well. Eg. I’m sure Arnold Schwarzenegger could tone the Germanic accent if he chose too.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw#t=1m08s
  197. @Unladen Swallow
    Yes Feynman did sound working class, the German born physicist Hans Bethe said Feynman talked like a bum.

    > Hans Bethe said Feynman talked like a bum

    i’ll take Hans’ word for that. On the other hand, the written record does imply that Feynman – besides being a gifted lockpicker – was a gifted PUA.

    Related skills?

  198. @Foreign Expert
    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .

    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .

    And if you already know a language, but move after puberty to another country that speaks the same language but with a different accent, you will never acquire a native accent. You hear this in English speaking Indian immigrants to this country who moved in childhood or adolescence. Accents vary, depending on the age they moved at, just as with the Kissinger brothers, who likely learned English after moving.

    Accents shift significantly over a century. Today’s Americans sound little like the Americans in a 1950s TV show or a movie, and the Americans of the 19th Century sounded very different from those of the 1950s.

    Here’s a sound clip of William McKinley from 1896.

    http://www.lib.msu.edu/cs/branches/vvl/presidents/mckinley.html

    Many of us Americans also don’t fully realize that the cut-glass British accents of the 1940s and 1950s, or RP accents in general, were quite different from British accents in the Victorian era.

    Here is a 19th c. recording of Tennyson, born 1809, reciting ‘The Charge of the Light Brigade.’ He sounds like a Martian.

    http://www.poetryarchive.org/poem/charge-light-brigade

    • Replies: @BB753
    He only sounds weird to you on account of his Lincolnshire accent.
    , @Kylie
    Tennyson sounds lovely. I'm an American who's never been to England and I had no trouble understanding him. He enunciated clearly and expressively.

    Or was that your point? "He sounds like a Yank could understand him."

    Anyway I thought that was thrilling.
  199. @Anonymous
    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don't build Cessnas. Can any Parrot be said to "speak well"? It seems fluency would be a prerequisite and no lower animal has linguistic fluency. "Picking up a new way of speaking" involves understanding new syntaxes, vocabulary and in some cases entire writing systems, far more than mere mimickery. Foreign languages are often times very foreign. Seldom is there an exact translation for anything but the simplest phrases, which is why Google Translate so often produces comical results. Someone posted a video a while back of a computer scientist from early 60's claiming translators would be out of work by 1970, a bit overoptimistic. The degree to which translating is not easily reduced to algorithms I think is a measure of how foreign many languages are to each other.

    So maybe if you're talking solely about phonetics its not strongly correlated with intelligence but from my experience I have to seriously doubt even that. If you took a group of 100 people who had, say, learned Spanish after age 18 within a certain time frame and submitted them to a test of speaking and listening ability by which they were rated don't you think that rating distribution would likely overlap tightly with a corresponding IQ distribution for that group?

    I think egregious counterexamples like Edward Teller, who's barely comprehensible yet who no doubt understood both written and spoken English superbly, are more than likely extreme outliers, not representative cases. Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    There are several things at work on the adult learning of languages. A big one is motivation, and another big one is that most people learn to converse in a language at the level that gets them what they want. The French-in particular Parisians, and some people in Quebec-respond to incorrect or bad French usage or pronunciation by pretending they do not understand the speaker, so you have to get it right. The Japanese react adversely to the attempts of gaijin to speak their language imperfectly, and likewise are mystified when gaijin get it exactly right, so you want to be just the slightest bit off. (Again, your purpose in using the language matters a lot. If you are looking to go to bed with Japanese girls, it’s a whole different proposition than if you just want to buy something at Akihabara. (Hint: for most gaijin _not even trying_ to speak Japanese is going to be the better tactic with women.)) On the other hand, bad Spanish is much better than no Spanish in most of ‘Latin’ America.

    Aptitude matters a lot, but I think language aptitude is only loosely coupled to general intelligence. The military and the Mormons probably have reduced it to a science, but I haven’t studied the results of their studies. (I suspect the Mormons choose not to publish some or all of what they know about selection for language instruction. I do know that the number of Mormon missionaries that fail in their assigned language studies is pretty low, but it does happen.

    There is also the phenomenon that certain peoples are a lot better at learning various languages than are certain other peoples. The Dutch seem to be phenomenally good.

  200. @Anonymous
    Parrots can also fly at 50 knots but they don't build Cessnas. Can any Parrot be said to "speak well"? It seems fluency would be a prerequisite and no lower animal has linguistic fluency. "Picking up a new way of speaking" involves understanding new syntaxes, vocabulary and in some cases entire writing systems, far more than mere mimickery. Foreign languages are often times very foreign. Seldom is there an exact translation for anything but the simplest phrases, which is why Google Translate so often produces comical results. Someone posted a video a while back of a computer scientist from early 60's claiming translators would be out of work by 1970, a bit overoptimistic. The degree to which translating is not easily reduced to algorithms I think is a measure of how foreign many languages are to each other.

    So maybe if you're talking solely about phonetics its not strongly correlated with intelligence but from my experience I have to seriously doubt even that. If you took a group of 100 people who had, say, learned Spanish after age 18 within a certain time frame and submitted them to a test of speaking and listening ability by which they were rated don't you think that rating distribution would likely overlap tightly with a corresponding IQ distribution for that group?

    I think egregious counterexamples like Edward Teller, who's barely comprehensible yet who no doubt understood both written and spoken English superbly, are more than likely extreme outliers, not representative cases. Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.

    I think it correlates not with intelligence but with an ear for music and/or the singing ability. Changing your accent requires you to modulate your voice in order to match standard sound patterns. Those who lack any musical talent are simply unable to do so.

    • Replies: @cwhatfuture
    My wife grew up playing piano, and singing in choirs, and her accents, in several diverse languages, are nearly perfect. She has been told this by native speakers. I never associated the two but it makes sense.
  201. @PiltdownMan

    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .
     

    And if you already know a language, but move after puberty to another country that speaks the same language but with a different accent, you will never acquire a native accent. You hear this in English speaking Indian immigrants to this country who moved in childhood or adolescence. Accents vary, depending on the age they moved at, just as with the Kissinger brothers, who likely learned English after moving.

    Accents shift significantly over a century. Today's Americans sound little like the Americans in a 1950s TV show or a movie, and the Americans of the 19th Century sounded very different from those of the 1950s.

    Here's a sound clip of William McKinley from 1896.

    http://www.lib.msu.edu/cs/branches/vvl/presidents/mckinley.html


    Many of us Americans also don't fully realize that the cut-glass British accents of the 1940s and 1950s, or RP accents in general, were quite different from British accents in the Victorian era.

    Here is a 19th c. recording of Tennyson, born 1809, reciting 'The Charge of the Light Brigade.' He sounds like a Martian.

    http://www.poetryarchive.org/poem/charge-light-brigade

    He only sounds weird to you on account of his Lincolnshire accent.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    True. But I think the point stands.

    Even in his time, Tennyson was a bit of a Lincolnshire dialect nostalgist and would show off the speech patterns he knew from his youth. I think he was aware that these accents and manners of speech come and go in the blink of an eye, in terms of historical time, even if we fondly think them to be a near permanent feature of our identity. Which is likely why he championed it.

    I'd be willing to bet that the Lincolnshire dialect/accent sounds alien to most modern day Brits, too, and not just folks like me, who are generally unacquainted with the wide variety of British regional accents.

  202. Somebody earlier today in this thread or another Sailer thread posted about a new poll showing Trump ahead of Hillary nationwide. I checked it out on RCP and found yet another subsequent poll showing Trump ahead nationwide. Then I noticed that many of the earlier polls showing Hillary with a lead were based on Registered Voters (“RV”) while the later polls tend to be based on Likely Voters (“LV”).

    Great minds must think alike. I’ve been eyeballing the RCP averages lately, and only yesterday noticed the RV/LV distinction. And the sample sizes (the bigger they are, the lower the margin of error, and the closer the race looks).

    “where a lot of Sailers live, and where they are the local meat merchants.”
    Why are you calling Steve a “Meat Merchant”? That’s anti-semitic.

    Only if he gets his pound of flesh.

    I wonder if the stigma of Venezuela is gone for millennials.

    Kids are stupid, and they always will be. They fall for advertising BS, marketing BS, fads, what they “learned” in school, socialism, etc.

    But they always grow out of it, which is why the leftist corporate media drops them like a hot rock, and always will: there’s always the next generation of young idiots to lionize for their brilliance.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan

    But they always grow out of it, which is why the leftist corporate media drops them like a hot rock, and always will: there’s always the next generation of young idiots to lionize for their brilliance.
     
    I assume you are referring to white kids. Which is why the leftist types want to bring in blocs of ethnic/racial voters who don't tend to grow out of it. Whites have a pesky habit of making up their minds, and not just voting automatically for the party machine.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Only if he gets his pound of flesh.
     
    Okay, you surprised me with that one - so that I almost spewed my beer, but fortunately I choked it back.

    Good one, Svigor.
  203. @inertial

    Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.
     
    I think it correlates not with intelligence but with an ear for music and/or the singing ability. Changing your accent requires you to modulate your voice in order to match standard sound patterns. Those who lack any musical talent are simply unable to do so.

    My wife grew up playing piano, and singing in choirs, and her accents, in several diverse languages, are nearly perfect. She has been told this by native speakers. I never associated the two but it makes sense.

  204. @Svigor
    Building a wall around America = bad
    Building a wall around the Democratic Convention = good

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/dnc-erects-four-mile-fence-around-philly-convention-site/

    “Building a wall around America = bad
    Building a wall around the Democratic Convention = good”

    Building a wall around America = good
    Building a wall around the Democratic Convention = better still

    There, fixed it for ya

  205. @wren
    Lucifer, Mephostophiles, heck, Cthulu, we are all sockpuppets today.

    All shivering with antici...pation.

    I even hear that the Koch Bros are coming out for Hillary now.

    So much...good...news, it's easy to forget who I am.

    I identify as a transdemonic sockpuppet entity and...I'm with her!!!

    Hahahaha.

    Digital Puppet News Team.

    Hm, I have to get to work on some Hillary and Koch lines.

    On second thought, naaaah. Those will write themselves.

  206. @Karl
    > He’s a gifted actor

    "actors are cattle" - Alfred Hitchcock


    > He’s a gifted actor

    “actors are cattle” – Alfred Hitchcock”

    Poor Hitch. I’m not surprised he was bitter after being rejected by several cool, elegant blonde cows.

    • Replies: @BB753
    He was probably right though. About 95 % of actors are dumb as bricks. Just listen to their interviews.
  207. iSteveFan says:
    @Svigor

    Somebody earlier today in this thread or another Sailer thread posted about a new poll showing Trump ahead of Hillary nationwide. I checked it out on RCP and found yet another subsequent poll showing Trump ahead nationwide. Then I noticed that many of the earlier polls showing Hillary with a lead were based on Registered Voters (“RV”) while the later polls tend to be based on Likely Voters (“LV”).
     
    Great minds must think alike. I've been eyeballing the RCP averages lately, and only yesterday noticed the RV/LV distinction. And the sample sizes (the bigger they are, the lower the margin of error, and the closer the race looks).

    “where a lot of Sailers live, and where they are the local meat merchants.”
    Why are you calling Steve a “Meat Merchant”? That’s anti-semitic.
     
    Only if he gets his pound of flesh.

    I wonder if the stigma of Venezuela is gone for millennials.
     
    Kids are stupid, and they always will be. They fall for advertising BS, marketing BS, fads, what they "learned" in school, socialism, etc.

    But they always grow out of it, which is why the leftist corporate media drops them like a hot rock, and always will: there's always the next generation of young idiots to lionize for their brilliance.

    But they always grow out of it, which is why the leftist corporate media drops them like a hot rock, and always will: there’s always the next generation of young idiots to lionize for their brilliance.

    I assume you are referring to white kids. Which is why the leftist types want to bring in blocs of ethnic/racial voters who don’t tend to grow out of it. Whites have a pesky habit of making up their minds, and not just voting automatically for the party machine.

    • Agree: Kylie
  208. @candid_observer
    I suspect that a lot of what determines whether one maintains or loses one's accent when one gets older is simple talent for picking up a new way of speaking.

    Some people have a gift for imitation, and can pretty well mimic any kind of speech, accent and all. Others can't do so for the life of them. It doesn't seem to be very well correlated with other kinds of intelligence, as best I can see. My guess is that there is a particular part of the brain that underpins this ability, and some just have more of it than others.

    Parrots can do it, so the IQ requirement is probably not great.

    I suspect that a lot of what determines whether one maintains or loses one’s accent when one gets older is simple talent for picking up a new way of speaking.

    It may work differently for others, but this does not fit my experience. I still sound like several of my cousins despite moving south of the Mason-Dixon line as an infant, yet my German and Swedish accents are outstanding, and I even get compliments on my French accent (though I can say little more than “I don’t speak French.”

  209. @Kylie
    "@Kylie
    > He’s a gifted actor

    “actors are cattle” – Alfred Hitchcock"

    Poor Hitch. I'm not surprised he was bitter after being rejected by several cool, elegant blonde cows.

    He was probably right though. About 95 % of actors are dumb as bricks. Just listen to their interviews.

  210. @Lurker

    We often forget that it is the Right that benefits from the multiculti agenda the most. The Left are the useful idiots. They benefit nothing but do all the dirty work. They are paid in brownie points to be redeemed in the future life for their good deeds.
     
    In this context the term 'the Right' is almost meaningless. These people have no ideology, they just desire power and wealth. Ironically if they do believe in anything it's probably some sort of left/liberal nonsense just like their useful idiot leftist foot soldiers.

    “In this context the term ‘the Right’ is almost meaningless. ” – People on the Right are are fully aware that they support “these people” who “have no ideology, [who] just desire power and wealth.” People on the Left think they are fighting these people.

  211. @BB753
    He only sounds weird to you on account of his Lincolnshire accent.

    True. But I think the point stands.

    Even in his time, Tennyson was a bit of a Lincolnshire dialect nostalgist and would show off the speech patterns he knew from his youth. I think he was aware that these accents and manners of speech come and go in the blink of an eye, in terms of historical time, even if we fondly think them to be a near permanent feature of our identity. Which is likely why he championed it.

    I’d be willing to bet that the Lincolnshire dialect/accent sounds alien to most modern day Brits, too, and not just folks like me, who are generally unacquainted with the wide variety of British regional accents.

    • Replies: @BB753
    My guess is Tennyson never really mastered Queen's English pronunciation, or didn't care enough to bother. It's likely as well that there was probably less pressure to conform to London speech patterns in his youth, and could never quite change his accent in later in life.
    Admittedly, the recording is far from perfect.
    As for regional accents in England, they're dying at the local level but in broad regional terms you can still more or less make out what part of the country people are from by the way they speak.
  212. @Svigor

    Somebody earlier today in this thread or another Sailer thread posted about a new poll showing Trump ahead of Hillary nationwide. I checked it out on RCP and found yet another subsequent poll showing Trump ahead nationwide. Then I noticed that many of the earlier polls showing Hillary with a lead were based on Registered Voters (“RV”) while the later polls tend to be based on Likely Voters (“LV”).
     
    Great minds must think alike. I've been eyeballing the RCP averages lately, and only yesterday noticed the RV/LV distinction. And the sample sizes (the bigger they are, the lower the margin of error, and the closer the race looks).

    “where a lot of Sailers live, and where they are the local meat merchants.”
    Why are you calling Steve a “Meat Merchant”? That’s anti-semitic.
     
    Only if he gets his pound of flesh.

    I wonder if the stigma of Venezuela is gone for millennials.
     
    Kids are stupid, and they always will be. They fall for advertising BS, marketing BS, fads, what they "learned" in school, socialism, etc.

    But they always grow out of it, which is why the leftist corporate media drops them like a hot rock, and always will: there's always the next generation of young idiots to lionize for their brilliance.

    Only if he gets his pound of flesh.

    Okay, you surprised me with that one – so that I almost spewed my beer, but fortunately I choked it back.

    Good one, Svigor.

  213. @PiltdownMan
    True. But I think the point stands.

    Even in his time, Tennyson was a bit of a Lincolnshire dialect nostalgist and would show off the speech patterns he knew from his youth. I think he was aware that these accents and manners of speech come and go in the blink of an eye, in terms of historical time, even if we fondly think them to be a near permanent feature of our identity. Which is likely why he championed it.

    I'd be willing to bet that the Lincolnshire dialect/accent sounds alien to most modern day Brits, too, and not just folks like me, who are generally unacquainted with the wide variety of British regional accents.

    My guess is Tennyson never really mastered Queen’s English pronunciation, or didn’t care enough to bother. It’s likely as well that there was probably less pressure to conform to London speech patterns in his youth, and could never quite change his accent in later in life.
    Admittedly, the recording is far from perfect.
    As for regional accents in England, they’re dying at the local level but in broad regional terms you can still more or less make out what part of the country people are from by the way they speak.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    In Tennyson's day, accent didn't matter much. The "posh" speech we associate with the aristocracy and those educated in public schools doesn't seem to have had much hold back then. Many aristocrats had the accent of their native shire. Accent and other class markers became obsessions in the twentieth century, aided by the writings of people like Nancy Mitford. Maybe it was the decline of aristocratic privilege and the increasing domination of national life by the middle classes that led the upper classes to become more preoccupied with the accent shibboleth.
    , @Stan Adams

    As for regional accents in England, they’re dying at the local level but in broad regional terms you can still more or less make out what part of the country people are from by the way they speak.
     
    I take it that the girls in this clip aren't from the London area:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFzdcc5GQQ#t=3m10s

    As one of the commenters noted, the blond girl sounds like she's speaking Danish.
  214. @BB753
    My guess is Tennyson never really mastered Queen's English pronunciation, or didn't care enough to bother. It's likely as well that there was probably less pressure to conform to London speech patterns in his youth, and could never quite change his accent in later in life.
    Admittedly, the recording is far from perfect.
    As for regional accents in England, they're dying at the local level but in broad regional terms you can still more or less make out what part of the country people are from by the way they speak.

    In Tennyson’s day, accent didn’t matter much. The “posh” speech we associate with the aristocracy and those educated in public schools doesn’t seem to have had much hold back then. Many aristocrats had the accent of their native shire. Accent and other class markers became obsessions in the twentieth century, aided by the writings of people like Nancy Mitford. Maybe it was the decline of aristocratic privilege and the increasing domination of national life by the middle classes that led the upper classes to become more preoccupied with the accent shibboleth.

    • Agree: BB753, PiltdownMan
  215. @Lurker

    Ability to learn to speak foreign languages near perfectly as an adult imo probably correlates closely with other measures of intelligence.
     
    There's probably an element of choice as well. Eg. I'm sure Arnold Schwarzenegger could tone the Germanic accent if he chose too.

    There’s probably an element of choice as well. Eg. I’m sure Arnold Schwarzenegger could tone the Germanic accent if he chose too.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw#t=1m08s

  216. @BB753
    My guess is Tennyson never really mastered Queen's English pronunciation, or didn't care enough to bother. It's likely as well that there was probably less pressure to conform to London speech patterns in his youth, and could never quite change his accent in later in life.
    Admittedly, the recording is far from perfect.
    As for regional accents in England, they're dying at the local level but in broad regional terms you can still more or less make out what part of the country people are from by the way they speak.

    As for regional accents in England, they’re dying at the local level but in broad regional terms you can still more or less make out what part of the country people are from by the way they speak.

    I take it that the girls in this clip aren’t from the London area:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFzdcc5GQQ#t=3m10s

    As one of the commenters noted, the blond girl sounds like she’s speaking Danish.

  217. @PiltdownMan

    In general, if you learn a language after puberty you will never acquire a native accent. A difference of one or two years in initial exposure can make all the difference.

    Btw if you want to hear an accent that you will never hear today, listen to a recording of teddy Roosevelt .
     

    And if you already know a language, but move after puberty to another country that speaks the same language but with a different accent, you will never acquire a native accent. You hear this in English speaking Indian immigrants to this country who moved in childhood or adolescence. Accents vary, depending on the age they moved at, just as with the Kissinger brothers, who likely learned English after moving.

    Accents shift significantly over a century. Today's Americans sound little like the Americans in a 1950s TV show or a movie, and the Americans of the 19th Century sounded very different from those of the 1950s.

    Here's a sound clip of William McKinley from 1896.

    http://www.lib.msu.edu/cs/branches/vvl/presidents/mckinley.html


    Many of us Americans also don't fully realize that the cut-glass British accents of the 1940s and 1950s, or RP accents in general, were quite different from British accents in the Victorian era.

    Here is a 19th c. recording of Tennyson, born 1809, reciting 'The Charge of the Light Brigade.' He sounds like a Martian.

    http://www.poetryarchive.org/poem/charge-light-brigade

    Tennyson sounds lovely. I’m an American who’s never been to England and I had no trouble understanding him. He enunciated clearly and expressively.

    Or was that your point? “He sounds like a Yank could understand him.”

    Anyway I thought that was thrilling.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    Yeah, it gave me goosebumps, too.

    If you are interested, there is a nice BBC CD set, 'The Spoken Word', which has that audio clip, as well as spoken passages by later writers and poets such as Rudyard Kipling and G.K. Chesterton.

    My terse comment about Tennyson sounding like a Martian was not pejorative. Rather, I tried to indicate that national or regional accents change rapidly within three or four generations. People from some time ago, such as William McKinley or Lord Tennyson, spoke with accents far different from those which the mind assumes it will hear.

  218. @Kylie
    Tennyson sounds lovely. I'm an American who's never been to England and I had no trouble understanding him. He enunciated clearly and expressively.

    Or was that your point? "He sounds like a Yank could understand him."

    Anyway I thought that was thrilling.

    Yeah, it gave me goosebumps, too.

    If you are interested, there is a nice BBC CD set, ‘The Spoken Word’, which has that audio clip, as well as spoken passages by later writers and poets such as Rudyard Kipling and G.K. Chesterton.

    My terse comment about Tennyson sounding like a Martian was not pejorative. Rather, I tried to indicate that national or regional accents change rapidly within three or four generations. People from some time ago, such as William McKinley or Lord Tennyson, spoke with accents far different from those which the mind assumes it will hear.

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