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Screenshot 2016-10-07 19.44.08From the “Podesta Emails” released today by Wikileaks, this is from a 1/25/16 email on “HRC Paid Speeches” authored by Clinton Campaign research director Tony Carrk. He summarized a 2013 talk by Hillary:

*Hillary Clinton Said Her Dream Is A Hemispheric Common Market, With Open Trade And Open Markets. *“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.” [05162013 Remarks to Banco Itau.doc, p. 28]

Banco Itau, now Itau Unibanco, is a South American bank that paid her $225,000 to speak in New York on May 16, 2013.

The non-USA population of the Western Hemisphere is approaching 670,000,000.

Similarly, in a speech in Melbourne on, ironically, September 10, 2001, Bill Clinton extolled the “ultimate wisdom of a borderless world” and suggested that “the world will be a better place if all borders are eliminated.” From the Melbourne Age newspaper on September 11, 2001:

Screenshot 2016-10-07 19.05.46

Michael Barone calls this elite consensus that is revealed mostly in six figure speeches behind closed doors: Lennonism.

The funny thing of course is that borderlessness leads not to the peace John Lennon imagined in Imagine but directly to war, as we saw the day after Bill Clinton’s Melbourne speech on 9/10/01 when the US became plunged in a very long war due to letting in hostile foreigners.

This year Secretary of State John F. Kerry lectured Northeastern University students that they were graduating into a “borderless world” where their only imaginable protection from terrorism at home was not walls or vetting but more war abroad. Kerry even name-checked a poor girl in the audience who had been wounded by the Tsarnaev Brothers bombing of the Patriots Day marathon as self-evident validation of the Washington Establishment’s Invite-the-World / Invade-the-World conventional wisdom.

 
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  1. OT:

    David Fahrenthold @Fahrenthold
    “I just start kissing them..Just kiss. I don’t even wait,’ Trump said. “And when you’re a star they let you do it.” http://wpo.st/1xm32

    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    @MLK

    Regardless, I think Trump's done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I've never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @(((Owen))), @MLK, @Joe Schmoe, @ben tillman, @Ed

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @MLK

    Jill Stein.

    Pop quiz: Of the issues essential to the survival of self government, which is the most trivial? Just because HRC kisses women (and who know what else) and engages in bawdy talk about the same, is no reason to endorse her advocacy for open borders or her candidacy.

    The same can be said of our next President, The Donald (PBUH). His bawdy talk is no reason to vote for him.

    But the rest, that is worthy of your vote.

    Vote Trump!

    , @(((Owen)))
    @MLK


    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

     

    Pretty clearly Tim Kaine. Or are you trying to suggest Mike Pence as a possibility?

    Kaine gives every tell for being a low-T true believer in all the feminist canards who has never seen a red pill in his life.

    Serious Christian conservative nasties like Pence usually have at least a bit of dissolute youth so that they can reflect on it and get all worked up about being born again.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MLK

    , @Anon7
    @MLK

    OMG Donald Trump is a heterosexual alpha male! I would never have guessed it. Apparently, no one will point out that Bill Clinton was the same way for his entire adult life. Ditto Jack Kennedy. Even Jimmy Carter lusted in his heart.

    So, apparently, we aren't going to have any cisgender heterosexual male presidents anymore, because it's just too icky.

    Still want Trump to be president? You'd better start talking issues with everyone you know. And let's hope that the 70% of America that didn't vote for Obama doesn't watch much TV, because the four times per hour 2 Minutes Hate (Orwell only had one per day) is taking its toll.

    , @fish
    @MLK

    I think that most likely recent suspect would clearly be the serial neck and shoulder massager "Shotgun" Joe Biden.

    A more serious less mock worthy contender would be LBJ!

    Funny.....both democrats. Who'da thunk?

  2. Only if John Lennon was the CEO of a company trying to sell fancy sneakers to Central American peasants.

  3. “in a speech in Melbourne on September 10, 2010.”

    Shouldn’t that be 2001?

  4. https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/354847-wikileaks-dnc-leaks-russia/

    Apparently Assange is the only person in the world who can’t find anything remotely illegal any Clinton has done, unlike what he said he would do.

    Here’s his October Suprise:

    It’s October. Surprise!

    I blame the weather in Ecuador.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @anony-mouse

    "Apparently Assange is the only person in the world who can’t find anything remotely illegal any Clinton has done, unlike what he said he would do."

    What is described is indeed quite illegal (bribery, influence peddling). Hillary Clinton has quite openly committed crimes. The DoJ has simply chosen not to investigate or not to prosecute.

  5. I think they got wind of this being dumped and leaked Trump’s woman comment so as to bury it. No way this was a coincidence.

  6. Question: Do our elites really, truly believe this? Or are they forced to speak this way because they have no acceptable vocabulary to articulate alternatives? That is, they know on some level that this is hooey, but they feel they’re locked into this track by forces beyond their control and are trusting that some clever group of elites on down the road will solve the dilemma?

    Or are they so malicious that they actively understand what they’re doing and just assume they’ll never have to face the consequences?

    I tend to assume it’s got to be one of the first two options, but a few more years and I might switch to option three.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mr. Blank

    Why wouldn't they believe it? Not just the elites, but for much of the middle, upper, and professional classes, they mainly live, work, and travel among a handful of major metro areas and the coasts, and they're more likely to travel abroad than ever set foot in vast swathes of the US.

    , @Obamadon_Imbecilis
    @Mr. Blank

    The recent leaks would seem to indicate they do in fact know better, but either don't care or don't want to admit it, at least for some of them.
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/197
    https://i.sli.mg/L3eLfg.png

    , @FX Enderby
    @Mr. Blank

    Australia has a population of 23 million people enjoying 1st world wages, labor & environmental rules, etc. It is surrounded by a population of 2 or 3 billion mostly struggling in squalor for near starvation wages.

    Open borders and free trade would obviously be the key to increased prosperity. It is the Ultimate Wisdom of great thinkers like Bill Clinton. You just gotta believe!

    , @Anon
    @Mr. Blank

    I might be the only one, but I like the idea of importing stuff like textiles from low wage places and exporting stuff like iPhones and Capital intensive/high wage manufacturing.

    HOWEVER

    One reason to do it is to import the stuff but not the people. That is, send Norma Rae to community college and import textiles. But don't leave the gate open for 3rd world Norma Raes to just walk in.

    So let them grow produce in Mexico, import it and let them keep their farm labor.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    , @Harold
    @Mr. Blank

    People much, much smarter than our elites really believe, so why not?

  7. An American presidential candidate who wishes for the destruction of the United States is currently in the lead. How weird.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Paul Yarbles


    An American presidential candidate who wishes for the destruction of the United States is currently in the lead. How weird.
     
    Not weird at all when you consider that the president of the U.S. for the past 7 1/2 years also wishes for the destruction of the U.S.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    , @Keith Vaz
    @Paul Yarbles

    Thanks female suffrage!

  8. How narrow minded of her, only the one hemisphere, surely anything less than endorsing world government makes one an inbred redneck. Also, when they talk about “universal values”, I think they really are talking about the entire universe, so all those science fiction stories about people going to mars to be independent, I don’t think they would allow that.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @neutral

    Hillary referred to the hemisphere rather than the whole world because that was what would be most pleasing to the audience that had paid her $225,000. Were she speaking to a different audience she would adjust accordingly.

  9. So what we have learned today is something very important.

    The people of the United States are faced with one of the most consequential choices they have ever had to make.

    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.

    Obviously, it’s the man who’s disgusting and crazy and who trashes the values any self-respecting American holds dear.

    400M rude, demanding interlopers — that we can easily deal with.

    But locker room boasts? They will destroy civilization as we know it.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @candid_observer

    Yes, and the people who claim to only want to debate the issues have been throwing one scandal after another doing everything possible to avoid those very issues they say they want to discuss.

    I can't say I am happy about this tape, but let's see how he handles it. I haven't spoken to one Trump supporter who is going to abandon him over this because, A) close to all guys have spoken like this, B) most Trump supporters aren't on board with open borders, globalism, etc.

    Strategically doesn't this open up the topic to Bill? And so far, Bill has a trail of women who claimed he raped or harassed them. Trump to my knowledge has no women claiming such things, Miss Piggy excepted. To me this means Trump talks like most red-blooded guys, but hasn't done anything like Bill.

    I still wonder why they released this tape on a Friday afternoon. Was it to drown out the latest wikileaks? Or was it just the first in a series of drips? You'd think they would have wanted Trump to go to the debate and say he never spoke like this about women. Then after denying, they could run this tape. But now it is already out there.

    So why release it today?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Lagertha

    , @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Not just "locker room boasts". He boasted about trying to nail some dude's wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @candid_observer

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @candid_observer

    The BBC are all-in on Trump's comments, and zilch-zero-nada about the Wikileaks drop, which I've only just read about here.

    Open borders - so good as not to be newsworthy.

    Boasting about women - "Trump has bounced back from other gaffes. But this is different"

    Replies: @eah

    , @AnotherDad
    @candid_observer


    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.
     
    But Trump needs to make it clear that is the choice--*make* that the choice. Which Trump has shown no ability to do.

    Heck not even much inclination to do during the first debate. Even fielding this mess, he missed an opportunity. He could have said his bit "This was crude private locker room style bullshitting between two guys, i've heard worse from an ex-President on the golf course. It was in bad taste and i apologize for it's crudeness--but it's locker room b.s. You can ask the women i employ in the Trump organization how i treat women, you'll find i treat women in the real world respectfully."

    But then something like:

    "Now can we get talk about the real issue in this campaign: Whether America we will have a President who is actually working in the interests of Americans. Really whether America will survive as a prosperous and free nation to be inherited by our children. That's the issue.

    "Hillary is a greedy corrupt politician bought and paid for by Wall Street. We now have a transcript of her chat with some South American bankers, who were paying her a quarter million dollar bribe, by way of supposedly paying for a "speech".

    "Here's what she said
    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders"

    "Hillary's dream is to trash American sovereignty. Throw away the value of Americans' citizenship and let anyone from the hemisphere flood in here. And that's her dream. And this isn't locker room bullshitting a decade back this is what Hillary is saying, promising in public to the bankers who've made Hillary rich and fund her campaign just three years back. Open borders and abolishing the value of American citizenship is Hillary's *dream* and the kind of thing she'll be able to push forward as President."

    ~~
    Again it's not beyond Trump to force the press to cover this and make the election about the only real issue in the campaign ... but he's got to actually *do it*.

    Replies: @Opinionator

  10. I think the Bill Clinton speech was 9/10/2001.

    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    @Lugash

    Yes. A typo no doubt.

  11. A borderless world is ideal for looting the wealth of entire nations. Personally, I wouldn’t loot a nation any other way.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @Trelane


    A borderless world is ideal for looting the wealth of entire nations.
     
    Well, Karl Marx believed that under communism, there would be a borderless world and the wealth of the bourgeois capitalists in advanced nations would be looted by the global proletariat. So there ya go!

    Replies: @TheJester

  12. The timing of the Trump tape release coincides with another Clinton leak. Coincidence? Probably not.

    Among the private policies revealed in the long-awaited Goldman Sachs speeches is the bit Sailer has called out here in which GS and their Slackey dream of a one-hemisphere world on the way to one world run by the likes of Hillary. It’s almost like the conspiracy theories are true, as if bankers and their bent, corrupt politicians plan on turning us into cattle and the world into an abattoir.

    Now which story do you think will be all the news? Which story is more relevant to how our country is to be run?

    • Replies: @YT Wurlitzer
    @YT Wurlitzer

    Worse than I thought. Not only was Trump sandwiched in between hurricane coverage as the lead story on the evening "news," but the Hillary tape wasn't even mentioned. Are they using the Russian hacking story to justify censoring leaks against Hillary?

    , @AndrewR
    @YT Wurlitzer

    The media obviously is not blameless but at the end of the day they report what people want them to. Say what you want about Hillary and globalism but her speech was at least superficially an optimistic and utopian one. Who doesn't wish that a borderless world could work? Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren't. All but the most provincial folks at least occasionally fantasize about a world where borders weren't necessary. And many people simply are too ignorant to think that borders are necessary.

    So Hillary's speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump's comments as anything other than nauseating.

    Replies: @Moshe, @Joe Schmoe, @Desiderius, @International Jew

  13. iSteveFan says:
    @candid_observer
    So what we have learned today is something very important.

    The people of the United States are faced with one of the most consequential choices they have ever had to make.

    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.

    Obviously, it's the man who's disgusting and crazy and who trashes the values any self-respecting American holds dear.

    400M rude, demanding interlopers -- that we can easily deal with.

    But locker room boasts? They will destroy civilization as we know it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Anonymous, @Anonymous Nephew, @AnotherDad

    Yes, and the people who claim to only want to debate the issues have been throwing one scandal after another doing everything possible to avoid those very issues they say they want to discuss.

    I can’t say I am happy about this tape, but let’s see how he handles it. I haven’t spoken to one Trump supporter who is going to abandon him over this because, A) close to all guys have spoken like this, B) most Trump supporters aren’t on board with open borders, globalism, etc.

    Strategically doesn’t this open up the topic to Bill? And so far, Bill has a trail of women who claimed he raped or harassed them. Trump to my knowledge has no women claiming such things, Miss Piggy excepted. To me this means Trump talks like most red-blooded guys, but hasn’t done anything like Bill.

    I still wonder why they released this tape on a Friday afternoon. Was it to drown out the latest wikileaks? Or was it just the first in a series of drips? You’d think they would have wanted Trump to go to the debate and say he never spoke like this about women. Then after denying, they could run this tape. But now it is already out there.

    So why release it today?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @iSteveFan

    The knives are coming out, I bet the RNC will force him out in favor of Pence.

    I believe this was planned far earlier than we think.

    , @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan


    So why release it today?
     
    Next Tuesday, is Yom Kippur...so, maybe the Dems don't want Ivanka's beautiful family pics (after Rosh Hoshanah last Monday) to be displayed. Or anymore pics of that gorgeous Trump brood. They are out-breeding the anemic and sickly looking Clintons for God's sake!

    I mean, 6 months ago I knew the "take-down" phase was gonna get ugly - I stated that here. And, it is ugly, duh. DNC and GOP will try everything, everything to destroy him. But, they can not take down Ivanka...so, problem. She is formidable; excellent mother/excellent business woman...married to a top 1% Jewish guy with yuge Jewish connectedness...and, she also loves her daddy and her mommy who just happened to not be married to each other for a long time (Ivana does not have an axe in her hand) . So, DNC and GOP cuckservatives (Ted has officially left the "building," like the few, actual, uber-smart guys) must try to take Trump down with frat-talk, pussy talk, what the eff ever.

    Trump and his fratty-fratty-frat talk about conquests was going to come up....duh, again. I knew this was coming. But, it is not going to eff up his campaign...on the contrary, it will once again, enhance his campaign.

    Why: he can go full throttle on Bill having been impeached because he ejaculated all over Monica Lewinsky's (21 yr old intern) navy blue dress while in the Oval Office. While in the Oval Office, Bill also shoved a cigar into Monica's vagina. Fun and games and very fratty-fratty frat boy behavior, duh!

    So, Trump saying stupid sh*t on like, Access Hollywood (?) or something, is bad? , when Bill, the POTUS, btw, thinks it is a good idea to shove a cigar up the vag of a 21-year old in the fracking Oval Office!!!!!!!!!!

    Meanwhile, Anthony Weiner (I can't even :0)))))))!) sending dic pics and sexting with a 15 year old girl (a couple of weeks ago) while married to Hillary's personal assistant gets a fracking pass??????? While he is cradling Huma and his son in his hard-on lap...ewwwwww! F*ck the DNC and their phoniness, I say. But, I expected this from many people who have fallen under Hillary's gaslighting of them all. She is a smooth operator. Not one of the secret service people and security people around her like her - this is a fact.

    So, Trump saying stupid shit about sexual conquests is meh, really meh, this late in the game. He was not a politician to begin with. Vanity Fair, for instance, still loves to write article upon article of all of JFK's p*ssy encounters/riot, and conquests when the poor man (the Christ-like figure for Democrats), has been in his grave since 1963. Jackie is also dead (as are all those Greek billionaires like Onassis'and Niarchos', so, it ain't kinda' fair to bring up the last living women who f*cked JFK somewhere in the building or hotel room, conference table, for a story to malign your Camelot prince.

    If anything, Trump's bragging about bagging women, will make him very popular with more men, more men who are Latino, Black, WTFever. Everything comes down to sex and money.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Maj. Kong, @iSteveFan

  14. The population of the Western Hemisphere is approaching 670,000,000.

    I don’t think we should assume that even in that scenario, as disastrous as it would be, there would be enforceable borders separating the Americas from the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous


    The population of the Western Hemisphere is approaching 670,000,000.

    I don’t think we should assume that even in that scenario, as disastrous as it would be, there would be enforceable borders separating the Americas from the rest of the world.
     
    If we could have secure, strictly limited immigration across the oceans, but had to agree to full open borders in the Western Hemisphere to accomplish it, that would be a fantastic bargain. Outside Guatemala, Honduras, and Bolivia, our hemisphere's birth rates are all around or below replacement and dropping. That means we may face consequences of loss of borders, but we don't face ethnic cleansing and ultimate extirpation at the hands of hostile aliens.

    Remember the Most Important Graph in the World. None of those lines that go crazy nuclear are from the Americas.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Romanian

  15. Much like Tony Blair wanted to be the first President of Europe, Bill and Hillary would have been thrilled at the possibility of being the first President of North America.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @Barnard

    President of North America?

    You're selling Bonnie and Clyde seriously short.

    They wanted to be the first president of the Americas.

    Replies: @FX Enderby

  16. iSteveFan says:

    Here is Trump’s statement:

    STATEMENT FROM DONALD J. TRUMP

    “This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course – not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”

    I believe this is true. Trump and Bill alone together would be one hell of a conversation. I also hope he doesn’t do any more explaining. I think this is enough.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan

    He absolutely must shut Hillary or the moderators down if they want to bring up "sexy time" talk. He must say; I have nothing more to say after my statement. The American People deserve to hear about international policies, domestic policies, the economy and crucial issues like immigration. He must pivot, pivot, pivot from any and all "sexy time," or gender/race issues. He must be measured in his responses, and not allow Hillary to sabotage his responses. He must be stealth, stone-faced, calm and cunning. I don't want to hear anymore about women's body parts or men's, for that matter...ditto about bathroom policy. What was that joke I heard, "During the Nixon administration, we got a man on the moon; during the Obama administration, we got a man into the ladies' room."

    Also, if anything comes up, always pivot to immigration, supporting troops/police/border patrol/the economy-jobs. Pivot from taxes and and gender/race baiting. Smash the fact that the western world is facing a crisis with unfettered immigration, and the middle class is forced to pay for the welfare of millions of people, millions of people who compete with our poorest people. American citizens must come first.

    And, of course the Wikileaks are a bad thing for Hillary. They will find every bimbo in U.S. and throw her onto Trump. He just needs to say: I made my statement last Friday, and want to concentrate on the most crucial issues facing the American People, because they deserve to hear it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

  17. Woman is the Google of the World?

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Pat Hannagan

    Looks like you agree with one of the commenters to that song:

    "Wow I love how everyone is talking about how they love this song, without talking about the open racism displayed by John Lennon."

    Ya gotta laugh at the ironies and perplexities of life.

  18. No better way to loot a nation than the dream of open borders

    Hey Jim. Just a minute Y’all. I want you to spell for me something. I want you to spell for me New York.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b8u90LwP-Ss

    Rod Serling:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=doelWvSzyjg#t=135

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Trelane

    That Dillinger song is a beauty. Well played, Sir!

    Replies: @Trelane

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Blank
    Question: Do our elites really, truly believe this? Or are they forced to speak this way because they have no acceptable vocabulary to articulate alternatives? That is, they know on some level that this is hooey, but they feel they're locked into this track by forces beyond their control and are trusting that some clever group of elites on down the road will solve the dilemma?

    Or are they so malicious that they actively understand what they're doing and just assume they'll never have to face the consequences?

    I tend to assume it's got to be one of the first two options, but a few more years and I might switch to option three.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @FX Enderby, @Anon, @Harold

    Why wouldn’t they believe it? Not just the elites, but for much of the middle, upper, and professional classes, they mainly live, work, and travel among a handful of major metro areas and the coasts, and they’re more likely to travel abroad than ever set foot in vast swathes of the US.

  20. The crazy thing about the conventional on immigration is that i think the elites actually believe it. The other day I saw Reihan Salam post the list of foreign born immigrant billionaires by nationality. There was one country that wasn’t on the list, i’ll give you a hint it shares a 2,000 mile border with the United States. I don’t think we’re going to be stopping many Sergey Brins from coming to our country if we build a wall, even though that’s what (((Zuckerberg, Soros, Bloomberg et. al))) would have you believe.

    Once again:
    right side of reality = wrong side of history
    wrong side of reality = right side of history

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon930

    Let the Sergey Brins stay in developing countries to help them out.

  21. This is how I described the difference between Trump and Hillary to my apolitical mom:

    Imagine there’s a beehive in the back yard. Hillary wants to open the house’s windows and then attack the bees with a fumigator. Trump wants to leave the bees alone and close the windows.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Glossy

    This is a good analogy.

  22. @candid_observer
    So what we have learned today is something very important.

    The people of the United States are faced with one of the most consequential choices they have ever had to make.

    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.

    Obviously, it's the man who's disgusting and crazy and who trashes the values any self-respecting American holds dear.

    400M rude, demanding interlopers -- that we can easily deal with.

    But locker room boasts? They will destroy civilization as we know it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Anonymous, @Anonymous Nephew, @AnotherDad

    Not just “locker room boasts”. He boasted about trying to nail some dude’s wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous


    Not just “locker room boasts”. He boasted about trying to nail some dude’s wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?
     
    The real question should be are you going to support the globalists' agenda because Trump tried to nail a married woman?
    , @candid_observer
    @Anonymous


    He boasted about trying to nail some dude’s wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?
     
    Does it feel hysterical in here, or is it just you?

    It's just you.

    Guess what, I'm not really worried about my wife and Trump. I'm not in the slightest sure that Trump wasn't just making the whole thing up, because it's about sexual prowess and it's Trump. Even if she existed and was married and Trump went after her, I don't give any kind of damn because stuff like this goes on all the time. Guess what: adultery happens. Really, it does. Maybe especially when you're really rich and really famous.

    Think a little bit about John F Kennedy and his brother Bobby, if Bill Clinton seems too trite for you.

    If there's anything that really should bother anyone, it's actual sexual assault. And maybe that's a far more real problem for Bill Clinton and likely Ted Kennedy than for any other American politician of prominence.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  23. @MLK
    OT:

    David Fahrenthold @Fahrenthold
    "I just start kissing them..Just kiss. I don’t even wait,' Trump said. “And when you’re a star they let you do it." http://wpo.st/1xm32
     
    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @(((Owen))), @Anon7, @fish

    Regardless, I think Trump’s done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I’ve never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Wait. So, Trump is revealed to be a lot like Bill Clinton and you say he has lost the election?

    , @(((Owen)))
    @Stephen R. Diamond


    Regardless, I think Trump’s done.
     
    Not because of any decades old tape. Trump always needed to win the debates, especially the first debate, to have a chance.

    Then it turned out he couldn't be bothered to practice, study, train, or prepare to face off against Hillary. She successfully drained the debate of all issues and made it a hate fast of Trump faux-scandals. He had no idea how to proceed or how to face off against her. He utterly failed to control the agenda. And then he continued afterward as if he had won.

    This is the consequence when only a lazy idiot is allowed to stand up for the future of your country. The clever people working to sell you out easily vanquish him at the last stage of the contest.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Eagle Eye

    , @MLK
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    I thoroughly disagree it sinks him. Trump didn't say anything different than Rachel Maddow has said at home on a rainy Saturday night.

    I for one think it wholly in Trump's favor if he talks at the Sunday debate about her leaked plans for hemispheric open borders, and she retorts with his "horrific" bawdy talk.

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    This is why women shouldn't vote.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @ben tillman
    @Stephen R. Diamond


    Regardless, I think Trump’s done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over.
     
    Well, we knew it was coming. That's who Trump is.
    , @Ed
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    I don't know. The theory that Trump is done is based upon white suburban women leaving him. People keep selling women short here. It's a 11 year old tape everyone knows he's a lout.

    What I'm seeing online & off is that people are incredulous that this is an issue. If you go to the Facebook pages of the GOPers that have come out against him, the top comments are against the GOPer and pro-Trump.

    If he has a decent debate tonight, Limbaugh & crew will eviscerate the GOP on Monday. The phones will light up and the meek GOP will fall silent.

    The new IA poll that shows Trump ahead was done pre-tape but there's an interesting tidbit in there about new voters. Trump crushes her among new voters. Obviously in IA, new voters are overwhelmingly white but extrapolate that to states where there is a significant white working class like OH,WI & NV.

    This is far from over.

  24. @Trelane
    No better way to loot a nation than the dream of open borders

    Hey Jim. Just a minute Y'all. I want you to spell for me something. I want you to spell for me New York.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b8u90LwP-Ss

    Rod Serling:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=doelWvSzyjg#t=135

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    That Dillinger song is a beauty. Well played, Sir!

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @Pat Hannagan

    A knife, a fork, a bottle and a cork, that's the way we spell whatever, right-on!

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  25. “Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?”

    I just saw this and this is pretty fun.

    The answer is Tim Kaine, who even if he isn’t gay is pretty pussy-whipped.

    Pence deliberately converted to Catholicism to Protestant evangelicalism, and seeing pictures of him with his family, I don’t think he is too much into this stuff, but he may well have been different in his college days.

    Hillary Clinton of course is a woman, but then she hangs out with Bill and has had no problem with throwing women under the bus at various times during her life.

    Trump is still the most likely (four wives, numerous transcripts/ tapes of him boasting about these sorts of things in public).

    Btw, I really don’t think this stuff is that big a deal.

    In the UK, the Prime Minister with the loosest sexual morals was Lloyd George, eg “the Goat”, and Churchill, though he does have some competition for being the most alcoholic PM, was known as a drunk. The two statues in front of the entrance of the House of Commons are of Lloyd George and Churchill, they are generally conceded to the two best or at least most needed at the time PMs. Americans are much more moralistic, but even that hasn’t kept Jefferson and Grant, for example, being held in fairly high regard.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @eD

    Hasn't pussy talk been de-criminalized? I thought we were all OK with it?


    A more nuanced view of Mr. Jordan’s role in the crisis, however, is starting to emerge. The Feb. 2 editions of Time and Newsweek provide more rounded pictures of the President’s chief fixer. And given the X-rated tenor of the scandale , both magazines reported the two men’s fondness for the ladies. Asked what they talked about on the golf course, Mr. Jordan is said to have replied, “We talk pussy.” Newsweek ran the word sans the two s’s. Time did away with all the letters, expect p.

    -- The Observer in 1998
     
    , @FX Enderby
    @eD

    Pitt the younger was (supposedly) once so drunk that they had to bring a bucket for him to vomit in before he made a speech in parliament. He was prime minister at the time.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @eD

    Lloyd George told his wife it was her Methodism that drove him to cheat. Warren Harding was also married to a Methodist, and cheated. And now, Bill.

    Good premise for an HBO series. Weasels and Wesleyans.

  26. John Maynard Keynes argued in 1933 that globalization had been oversold.

    http://www.realitybase.org/journal/2010/5/26/john-maynard-keynes-argued-in-1933-that-globalization-had-be.html

    What did the nineteenth-century free traders, who were among the most idealistic and disinterested of men, believe that they were accomplishing?

    They believed–and perhaps it is fair to put this first–that they were being perfectly sensible, that they alone of men were clear-sighted, and that the policies which sought to interfere with the ideal international division of labor were always the offspring of ignorance out of self-interest.

    In the second place, they believed that they were solving the problem of poverty, and solving it for the world as a whole, by putting to their best uses, like a good housekeeper, the world’s resources and abilities.

    They believed, further, that they were serving, not merely the survival of the economically fittest, but the great cause of liberty, of freedom for personal initiative and individual gift, the cause of inventive art and the glorious fertility of the untrammeled mind against the forces of privilege and monopoly and obsolescence.

    They believed, finally, that they were the friends and assurers of peace and international concord and economic justice between nations and the diffusers of the benefits of progress.

    For these strong reasons, therefore, I am inclined to the belief that, after the transition is accomplished, a greater measure of national self-sufficiency and economic isolation among countries than existed in 1914 may tend to serve the cause of peace, rather than otherwise. At any rate, the age of economic internationalism was not particularly successful in avoiding war; and if its friends retort, that the imperfection of its success never gave it a fair chance, it is reasonable to point out that a greater success is scarcely probable in the coming years.

  27. @Paul Yarbles
    An American presidential candidate who wishes for the destruction of the United States is currently in the lead. How weird.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @Keith Vaz

    An American presidential candidate who wishes for the destruction of the United States is currently in the lead. How weird.

    Not weird at all when you consider that the president of the U.S. for the past 7 1/2 years also wishes for the destruction of the U.S.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Dr. X


    Not weird at all when you consider that the president of the U.S. for the past 7 1/2 years also wishes for the destruction of the U.S.
     
    The incumbent simply isn't taking any action to prevent it. If you want a president that actively worked to undermine and destroy our nation every day, you just have to look back to his predecessor Dubya.
  28. @Pat Hannagan
    Woman is the Google of the World?

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    Looks like you agree with one of the commenters to that song:

    “Wow I love how everyone is talking about how they love this song, without talking about the open racism displayed by John Lennon.”

    Ya gotta laugh at the ironies and perplexities of life.

  29. @Trelane
    A borderless world is ideal for looting the wealth of entire nations. Personally, I wouldn't loot a nation any other way.

    Replies: @Dr. X

    A borderless world is ideal for looting the wealth of entire nations.

    Well, Karl Marx believed that under communism, there would be a borderless world and the wealth of the bourgeois capitalists in advanced nations would be looted by the global proletariat. So there ya go!

    • Replies: @TheJester
    @Dr. X

    Well, Marx was wrong. In a borderless world controlled by private capital (the bourgeois be damned), the capitalists import illiterate goat herders by the millions to politically immobilize and distract their domestic proletariat and bourgeois classes. Then, with potential opposition silenced and in firm control of the banks, governments, and armies, they are in a position to loot the world.

  30. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @MLK

    Regardless, I think Trump's done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I've never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @(((Owen))), @MLK, @Joe Schmoe, @ben tillman, @Ed

    Wait. So, Trump is revealed to be a lot like Bill Clinton and you say he has lost the election?

    • Agree: Glossy
  31. Re FKA max, the population of the world in 1914 was much greater than a century earlier, and technology had advanced much further and had been more destructive.

    Ideas can be good, but are usually overdone or had run their course. Both the industrial revolution and free trade are not immune to this.

  32. Anonymous [AKA "hola, banqueros vibrantes"] says:

    I think Hill is pretty good at telling audiences whatever she thinks they want to hear, i.e. lying to them. She might not have a problem with border liquidation per se but I doubt it’s because of some secret agenda as a Manchester free-trade classical liberal. Though rootless cosmocapitalism & “information technology” were supposed to be bad news for the top-down clunky Albania-style bureaucratic tyrant of yore, it turns out, there are still a lot of people who really, really love power; and they’re clever enough to find a way, never mind the fickle political fashions.

  33. Anyway, I came here to post this link, which is on topic:

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/

    Excerpts of Hillary Clinton’s Goldman Sachs speeches.

    The takeaway is that she actually gave speeches, so they weren’t purely a disguised form of bribery. And in these speeches, she pretty much promised to do anything Goldman Sachs wanted her to do if she had the power to do it. The only possible exception is that she said she favored single payer healthcare in theory, though promised not to do anything to get it implemented.

    There are people I know who really, really love banker capitalism or more money and power to the elites capitalism, and if you are that type this should improve your image of Hillary Clinton, though the backlash may be a bitch later.

    But people here seem to be mostly to be nationalist or law and order/ traditional conservatives and really this should disgust people with that philosophy.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @eD

    The fact that she actually gave speeches makes it no less a disguised form of bribery. No one is paying that much just to hear Hillary talk.

  34. I’d relax about the latest Trump controversy. Deep down, every Trump voter and leaning Trump voter knows he has these conversations. I suspect this is an attempt to rally liberal women, where it is likely flagging at the moment, considering how the Machado controversy deflated pretty quickly.

    The only success this will have sadly is to obfuscate the Podesta e-mails, which should have had an appreciable impact but now will likely disappear. When this latest controversy blows over in 2-3 days, so will these e-mails, sadly.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Do you think a significant amount of black men will rally around Trump because of this? I could see him picking up some serious cred over this.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet

    , @S. anonyia
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Honestly his banter is kinda tame. Most men in his position (multi millionaire/billionaire) have certainly done/said far worse.

    If this is the controversy that dooms him then America is way more puritanical than I thought. The only groups of people who have never heard talk like this are a. Church people b. socially isolated nerds/weirdos or c. very sheltered upper middle class women.

    , @Alfa158
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Just a sample of one but my wife, who was a Democrat until this election, was watching this story on the network news. After they ran Trump's response, her comment was "Hah! nice comeback, now who cares, move on."
    I don't know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway. Maybe it's an attempt to hurt his support among the evangelical cucks. Not going change our vote, and I already knew that I would never leave that magnificent rascal alone with my wife.

    Replies: @Berty, @Mr. Blank, @Pat Hannagan

  35. @MLK
    OT:

    David Fahrenthold @Fahrenthold
    "I just start kissing them..Just kiss. I don’t even wait,' Trump said. “And when you’re a star they let you do it." http://wpo.st/1xm32
     
    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @(((Owen))), @Anon7, @fish

    Jill Stein.

    Pop quiz: Of the issues essential to the survival of self government, which is the most trivial? Just because HRC kisses women (and who know what else) and engages in bawdy talk about the same, is no reason to endorse her advocacy for open borders or her candidacy.

    The same can be said of our next President, The Donald (PBUH). His bawdy talk is no reason to vote for him.

    But the rest, that is worthy of your vote.

    Vote Trump!

  36. @MLK
    OT:

    David Fahrenthold @Fahrenthold
    "I just start kissing them..Just kiss. I don’t even wait,' Trump said. “And when you’re a star they let you do it." http://wpo.st/1xm32
     
    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @(((Owen))), @Anon7, @fish

    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

    Pretty clearly Tim Kaine. Or are you trying to suggest Mike Pence as a possibility?

    Kaine gives every tell for being a low-T true believer in all the feminist canards who has never seen a red pill in his life.

    Serious Christian conservative nasties like Pence usually have at least a bit of dissolute youth so that they can reflect on it and get all worked up about being born again.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    College buddy of mine was a Senate page. He said Kaine was a regular at the Senate gym. He saw him in the locker room a few times and said that he's hung like a horse.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @5371, @Former Darfur

    , @MLK
    @(((Owen)))

    No, you got it right, Kaine. Hillary's self-described "right-hand person." I would've said Lindsey Graham if he were one of the two major tickets, if you get my drift.

  37. iSteveFan says:
    @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Not just "locker room boasts". He boasted about trying to nail some dude's wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @candid_observer

    Not just “locker room boasts”. He boasted about trying to nail some dude’s wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?

    The real question should be are you going to support the globalists’ agenda because Trump tried to nail a married woman?

  38. @Dr. X
    @Paul Yarbles


    An American presidential candidate who wishes for the destruction of the United States is currently in the lead. How weird.
     
    Not weird at all when you consider that the president of the U.S. for the past 7 1/2 years also wishes for the destruction of the U.S.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Not weird at all when you consider that the president of the U.S. for the past 7 1/2 years also wishes for the destruction of the U.S.

    The incumbent simply isn’t taking any action to prevent it. If you want a president that actively worked to undermine and destroy our nation every day, you just have to look back to his predecessor Dubya.

  39. @Random Dude on the Internet
    I'd relax about the latest Trump controversy. Deep down, every Trump voter and leaning Trump voter knows he has these conversations. I suspect this is an attempt to rally liberal women, where it is likely flagging at the moment, considering how the Machado controversy deflated pretty quickly.

    The only success this will have sadly is to obfuscate the Podesta e-mails, which should have had an appreciable impact but now will likely disappear. When this latest controversy blows over in 2-3 days, so will these e-mails, sadly.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @S. anonyia, @Alfa158

    Do you think a significant amount of black men will rally around Trump because of this? I could see him picking up some serious cred over this.

    • Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
    @iSteveFan

    In my opinion, the type of black guys who would give Donald Trump cred over this are not the type to go vote but you never know.

    I just don't think it will change things because Trump's entire appeal is that he is a red blooded businessman hoping to cut the best deals for America. Nobody should be surprised that he acts like a red blooded businessman when that has been his persona since day one, since the 1970s and 1980s when he first started appearing in the media. Also his wives are all actresses or models. This type of locker room talk is expected of him, he has never pretended to be a moralizer.

    Now if John Kasich, Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush said these things, it would probably sink them because they're moralizers who spent their political careers feigning disgust at various moral subjects. Trump's appeal and why he won in the primaries and is leading right now is specifically because he is not a moralizer. It will be fun for Hillary to act disgusted on Sunday's debate but all it will do is tee up any discussions about Bill's past and her role in covering things up. This is not a road that Hillary should be walking down but she is because she's desperate to find anything that can stick to Trump in these final weeks.

    For that reason, some people have speculated that Trump leaked it himself but I doubt it, it was a reaction by Democrats to cover up these leaks. These leaks would be a much better lead-in to the debates than to talk about another Trump "controversy" that will not go anywhere or move the needle.

    Replies: @newrouter

  40. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @MLK

    Regardless, I think Trump's done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I've never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @(((Owen))), @MLK, @Joe Schmoe, @ben tillman, @Ed

    Regardless, I think Trump’s done.

    Not because of any decades old tape. Trump always needed to win the debates, especially the first debate, to have a chance.

    Then it turned out he couldn’t be bothered to practice, study, train, or prepare to face off against Hillary. She successfully drained the debate of all issues and made it a hate fast of Trump faux-scandals. He had no idea how to proceed or how to face off against her. He utterly failed to control the agenda. And then he continued afterward as if he had won.

    This is the consequence when only a lazy idiot is allowed to stand up for the future of your country. The clever people working to sell you out easily vanquish him at the last stage of the contest.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @(((Owen)))

    That's great Owen. We had two choices: (1) Trump (2) lie on your back and enjoy the boot stomping on your face. Your advocacy for (2) is not persuasive.

    But your willingness to concede without even engaging the enemy demonstrates your unworthiness for American Citizenship. Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate. Then open a GoFundMe page. We will be happy to finance your departure.

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
    ― Samuel Adams

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    @(((Owen)))


    Not because of any decades old tape.
     
    Maybe not. I'm not sure what would happen had this tape come out when his prospects were better. But it's come at the wrong time, and I think it will prove a watershed. We'll see.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    , @Eagle Eye
    @(((Owen)))

    Could it be that Trump was WARNED OFF challenging the Clinton machine, at the risk of joining Vincent Foster and countless other victims of the Clintons?

  41. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @MLK

    Regardless, I think Trump's done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I've never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @(((Owen))), @MLK, @Joe Schmoe, @ben tillman, @Ed

    I thoroughly disagree it sinks him. Trump didn’t say anything different than Rachel Maddow has said at home on a rainy Saturday night.

    I for one think it wholly in Trump’s favor if he talks at the Sunday debate about her leaked plans for hemispheric open borders, and she retorts with his “horrific” bawdy talk.

  42. @Anonymous
    The population of the Western Hemisphere is approaching 670,000,000.

    I don't think we should assume that even in that scenario, as disastrous as it would be, there would be enforceable borders separating the Americas from the rest of the world.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    The population of the Western Hemisphere is approaching 670,000,000.

    I don’t think we should assume that even in that scenario, as disastrous as it would be, there would be enforceable borders separating the Americas from the rest of the world.

    If we could have secure, strictly limited immigration across the oceans, but had to agree to full open borders in the Western Hemisphere to accomplish it, that would be a fantastic bargain. Outside Guatemala, Honduras, and Bolivia, our hemisphere’s birth rates are all around or below replacement and dropping. That means we may face consequences of loss of borders, but we don’t face ethnic cleansing and ultimate extirpation at the hands of hostile aliens.

    Remember the Most Important Graph in the World. None of those lines that go crazy nuclear are from the Americas.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @(((Owen)))


    If we could have secure, strictly limited immigration across the oceans, but had to agree to full open borders in the Western Hemisphere to accomplish it, that would be a fantastic bargain.
     
    I agree, that would be a fantastic bargain. I really like many people in Uruguay and Argentina and other nations.

    This movement needs to get off the defense and mount some kind of counter-offensive. Staying on pure defense and resistance is depressing.
    , @Romanian
    @(((Owen)))

    You forget opportunistic fertility rates, an issue Steve Sailer has discussed before, brought about by welfare and better medical care. And also the economic disparities. Countries are not like connected water vessels, to settle at the same population level relative to size. Even at the risk of depopulating their own countries, they will come lured not just by the income, but by the social and institutional capital (safer streets, better schools etc). Just think about how two third of Puerto Ricans live outside of Puerto Rico.

  43. @(((Owen)))
    @Stephen R. Diamond


    Regardless, I think Trump’s done.
     
    Not because of any decades old tape. Trump always needed to win the debates, especially the first debate, to have a chance.

    Then it turned out he couldn't be bothered to practice, study, train, or prepare to face off against Hillary. She successfully drained the debate of all issues and made it a hate fast of Trump faux-scandals. He had no idea how to proceed or how to face off against her. He utterly failed to control the agenda. And then he continued afterward as if he had won.

    This is the consequence when only a lazy idiot is allowed to stand up for the future of your country. The clever people working to sell you out easily vanquish him at the last stage of the contest.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Eagle Eye

    That’s great Owen. We had two choices: (1) Trump (2) lie on your back and enjoy the boot stomping on your face. Your advocacy for (2) is not persuasive.

    But your willingness to concede without even engaging the enemy demonstrates your unworthiness for American Citizenship. Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate. Then open a GoFundMe page. We will be happy to finance your departure.

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
    ― Samuel Adams

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate.
     
    Well, winter is coming and Mexico is warm. They keep promising Mexico is coming us, but it's never warm and sunny in January.

    I'm sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he's not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @iSteveFan

  44. @Pat Hannagan
    @Trelane

    That Dillinger song is a beauty. Well played, Sir!

    Replies: @Trelane

    A knife, a fork, a bottle and a cork, that’s the way we spell whatever, right-on!

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Trelane

    Right on!

    First heard that song as a Cruel Sea cover. No where near as good as the version you put up, plus the second track on that mix.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNQGCTNOcKg

    Still, love the way he tries to do a Noo Yawk accent.

  45. @MLK
    OT:

    David Fahrenthold @Fahrenthold
    "I just start kissing them..Just kiss. I don’t even wait,' Trump said. “And when you’re a star they let you do it." http://wpo.st/1xm32
     
    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @(((Owen))), @Anon7, @fish

    OMG Donald Trump is a heterosexual alpha male! I would never have guessed it. Apparently, no one will point out that Bill Clinton was the same way for his entire adult life. Ditto Jack Kennedy. Even Jimmy Carter lusted in his heart.

    So, apparently, we aren’t going to have any cisgender heterosexual male presidents anymore, because it’s just too icky.

    Still want Trump to be president? You’d better start talking issues with everyone you know. And let’s hope that the 70% of America that didn’t vote for Obama doesn’t watch much TV, because the four times per hour 2 Minutes Hate (Orwell only had one per day) is taking its toll.

  46. @YT Wurlitzer
    The timing of the Trump tape release coincides with another Clinton leak. Coincidence? Probably not.

    Among the private policies revealed in the long-awaited Goldman Sachs speeches is the bit Sailer has called out here in which GS and their Slackey dream of a one-hemisphere world on the way to one world run by the likes of Hillary. It's almost like the conspiracy theories are true, as if bankers and their bent, corrupt politicians plan on turning us into cattle and the world into an abattoir.

    Now which story do you think will be all the news? Which story is more relevant to how our country is to be run?

    Replies: @YT Wurlitzer, @AndrewR

    Worse than I thought. Not only was Trump sandwiched in between hurricane coverage as the lead story on the evening “news,” but the Hillary tape wasn’t even mentioned. Are they using the Russian hacking story to justify censoring leaks against Hillary?

  47. @(((Owen)))
    @MLK


    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

     

    Pretty clearly Tim Kaine. Or are you trying to suggest Mike Pence as a possibility?

    Kaine gives every tell for being a low-T true believer in all the feminist canards who has never seen a red pill in his life.

    Serious Christian conservative nasties like Pence usually have at least a bit of dissolute youth so that they can reflect on it and get all worked up about being born again.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MLK

    College buddy of mine was a Senate page. He said Kaine was a regular at the Senate gym. He saw him in the locker room a few times and said that he’s hung like a horse.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Anonymous

    Boy, I can't believe we can now source the manly size of Kaine's thingy to the report of a friend of a Mr. Anonymous on the Internet.

    Why would these upstanding, well known individuals make anything up about a politician in an election season?

    Replies: @FX Enderby

    , @5371
    @Anonymous

    It occurs to me that he may have consorted with Kaine elsewhere than in the Senate gym ...

    , @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    One, how do we know this is true and two, if it is, what has that got to do with his desirability as a leader?

    Sean Penn is bejingled and he's a communist piece of shit. Ron Jeremy, are you going to elect him? Maybe you would prefer Tim Robbins.

    Like musical talent, there is no positive correlation between penis size and inclination toward sane and responsible government, and very likely a negative one.

  48. And now the knives that have been sheathed since June are finally coming out. At least our enemies are crystal clear now.

  49. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @(((Owen)))

    That's great Owen. We had two choices: (1) Trump (2) lie on your back and enjoy the boot stomping on your face. Your advocacy for (2) is not persuasive.

    But your willingness to concede without even engaging the enemy demonstrates your unworthiness for American Citizenship. Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate. Then open a GoFundMe page. We will be happy to finance your departure.

    “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
    ― Samuel Adams

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate.

    Well, winter is coming and Mexico is warm. They keep promising Mexico is coming us, but it’s never warm and sunny in January.

    I’m sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he’s not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    What specifically did he do to embarrass you?

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @(((Owen)))

    Do you force your family to defend Hillary and her husband to you? Because for any fault they can find with Trump, you can name something the Clintons have done that's worse. And that includes the worst sorts of crassness and vulgarity.

    Try this one on your family:


    “At one point [in the transcript of Lewinsky’s August 1998 sworn deposition], the ex-intern was asked, ‘On that date did you gratify [Clinton] in some way other than performing oral sex?’ While Lewinsky’s answer to that question–‘Yes’–was included in the transcript, six follow-up questions (and Lewinsky’s answers) were excised from the transcript.

    “However, Lewinsky’s description of how she gratified Clinton can be gleaned from the transcript’s unredacted digest, which includes an alphabetized list of all key words that appear in the Lewinsky deposition….

    “After Lewinsky acknowledged the other-than-oral-sex gratification, she was asked a question (page 20, line 3) that included the words ‘anus,’ ‘mouth,’ ‘orally,’ and ‘stimulate.’ A follow-up question (page 20, line 12) included the words ‘anus’ and ‘orally.'”
     
    http://coed.com/2012/09/26/finding-out-monica-lewinsky-probably-stimulated-bill-clintons-anus-orally-was-worth-the-15-year-wait/

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    , @iSteveFan
    @(((Owen)))


    I’m sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he’s not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?
     
    I have an easy suggestion: don't defend Trump. Instead defend the political positions you support.

    For example, I do not support open borders, free trade, obamacare, unnecessary intervention and interpreting the 2nd amendment as a group right. Therefore, I absolutely could not vote for Hillary. Even if Hillary were Mother Teresa, why would I vote for someone who promises to do the complete opposite of what I want?

    If you really have a strong conviction in the political policies often discussed on this blog, and that have resonated with so many nationwide, why would Trump's character invalidate those political positions? And why would his character make you want to support the person who is on the other side?

    It would be one thing if you had two candidates who ran on the same platform. Then I could see choosing the one with better character. But at this stage we have no choice. Neither the Libertarians nor especially the Greens are a viable alternative. And voting for Hillary would be akin to suicide for those who believe in the issues we do.

    So at this point, if you are an issues guy and not a personality guy, you are forced to back Trump simply because he is the only one who gives people with our views a chance.

    Using this line of reasoning will at least let people know you have thought about the issues and have taken a stand on them. All people could do is disagree on the issues with you. Then you can explain the issues and see if you can change their minds. Defending Trump is tough. But defending our issues to millions of ordinary Americans is not. After all our issues are such a threat the MSM does everything they can to prevent their discussion, lest the Hoi Polloi wake up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @(((Owen)))

  50. @(((Owen)))
    @MLK


    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

     

    Pretty clearly Tim Kaine. Or are you trying to suggest Mike Pence as a possibility?

    Kaine gives every tell for being a low-T true believer in all the feminist canards who has never seen a red pill in his life.

    Serious Christian conservative nasties like Pence usually have at least a bit of dissolute youth so that they can reflect on it and get all worked up about being born again.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @MLK

    No, you got it right, Kaine. Hillary’s self-described “right-hand person.” I would’ve said Lindsey Graham if he were one of the two major tickets, if you get my drift.

  51. At least the can’t spread any gay rumors about Trump.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Kyle a


    At least the[y] can’t spread any gay rumors about Trump.
     
    Right. Because they never simultaneously insisted that Trump would start a nuclear war and that Vladimir Putin was supporting Trump because he would be easy to work with. And the press never helped them push both narratives with completely straight faces.
  52. How can anyone be as evil as Soros. He is the ultimate super villain, rubbing his hands together, laughing with glee, as he watches the mayhem he unleashed from his headquarters.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Thea

    Hillary is as bad as Soros. She's just not as rich.

  53. @iSteveFan
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Do you think a significant amount of black men will rally around Trump because of this? I could see him picking up some serious cred over this.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet

    In my opinion, the type of black guys who would give Donald Trump cred over this are not the type to go vote but you never know.

    I just don’t think it will change things because Trump’s entire appeal is that he is a red blooded businessman hoping to cut the best deals for America. Nobody should be surprised that he acts like a red blooded businessman when that has been his persona since day one, since the 1970s and 1980s when he first started appearing in the media. Also his wives are all actresses or models. This type of locker room talk is expected of him, he has never pretended to be a moralizer.

    Now if John Kasich, Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush said these things, it would probably sink them because they’re moralizers who spent their political careers feigning disgust at various moral subjects. Trump’s appeal and why he won in the primaries and is leading right now is specifically because he is not a moralizer. It will be fun for Hillary to act disgusted on Sunday’s debate but all it will do is tee up any discussions about Bill’s past and her role in covering things up. This is not a road that Hillary should be walking down but she is because she’s desperate to find anything that can stick to Trump in these final weeks.

    For that reason, some people have speculated that Trump leaked it himself but I doubt it, it was a reaction by Democrats to cover up these leaks. These leaks would be a much better lead-in to the debates than to talk about another Trump “controversy” that will not go anywhere or move the needle.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    >Now if John Kasich, Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush said these things, it would probably sink them because they’re moralizers who spent their political careers feigning disgust at various moral subjects.<

    I'm waiting for DJ Trump to shoot someone on 5th Avenue before making any judgement on this current kerfuffle.

    Replies: @celt darnell

  54. @Trelane
    @Pat Hannagan

    A knife, a fork, a bottle and a cork, that's the way we spell whatever, right-on!

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    Right on!

    First heard that song as a Cruel Sea cover. No where near as good as the version you put up, plus the second track on that mix.

    Still, love the way he tries to do a Noo Yawk accent.

  55. @Random Dude on the Internet
    I'd relax about the latest Trump controversy. Deep down, every Trump voter and leaning Trump voter knows he has these conversations. I suspect this is an attempt to rally liberal women, where it is likely flagging at the moment, considering how the Machado controversy deflated pretty quickly.

    The only success this will have sadly is to obfuscate the Podesta e-mails, which should have had an appreciable impact but now will likely disappear. When this latest controversy blows over in 2-3 days, so will these e-mails, sadly.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @S. anonyia, @Alfa158

    Honestly his banter is kinda tame. Most men in his position (multi millionaire/billionaire) have certainly done/said far worse.

    If this is the controversy that dooms him then America is way more puritanical than I thought. The only groups of people who have never heard talk like this are a. Church people b. socially isolated nerds/weirdos or c. very sheltered upper middle class women.

  56. A one country world also leads to this country declaring war on it’s own citizens as in the Soviet Union.

  57. @neutral
    How narrow minded of her, only the one hemisphere, surely anything less than endorsing world government makes one an inbred redneck. Also, when they talk about "universal values", I think they really are talking about the entire universe, so all those science fiction stories about people going to mars to be independent, I don't think they would allow that.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Hillary referred to the hemisphere rather than the whole world because that was what would be most pleasing to the audience that had paid her $225,000. Were she speaking to a different audience she would adjust accordingly.

  58. @Random Dude on the Internet
    I'd relax about the latest Trump controversy. Deep down, every Trump voter and leaning Trump voter knows he has these conversations. I suspect this is an attempt to rally liberal women, where it is likely flagging at the moment, considering how the Machado controversy deflated pretty quickly.

    The only success this will have sadly is to obfuscate the Podesta e-mails, which should have had an appreciable impact but now will likely disappear. When this latest controversy blows over in 2-3 days, so will these e-mails, sadly.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @S. anonyia, @Alfa158

    Just a sample of one but my wife, who was a Democrat until this election, was watching this story on the network news. After they ran Trump’s response, her comment was “Hah! nice comeback, now who cares, move on.”
    I don’t know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway. Maybe it’s an attempt to hurt his support among the evangelical cucks. Not going change our vote, and I already knew that I would never leave that magnificent rascal alone with my wife.

    • Replies: @Berty
    @Alfa158

    It certainly has caused Trump's unwilling "allies" in the GOP to jump ship pretty quickly. If they do somehow boot him from the ticket he should simply urge his voters to stay home. There's no reason Kelly Ayotte or McCain should be rewarded for yet another stab in the back.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @rod1963

    , @Mr. Blank
    @Alfa158


    I don’t know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway.
     
    That's the sense I get from looking at my Facebook news feed. The people who are freaking out about this are precisely the ones you'd expect: Whiny low-T males and crazy cat lady liberal females. It's another attempt to stir up the "coalition of the fringes."

    All the normal people, even Hillary voters, are shrugging at this.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Pat Hannagan
    @Alfa158

    I would never leave that magnificent rascal alone with my wife.

    Odd juxtaposition of sentiment. Democrats would be playing on the public's notion and questions of just how honourable and trustworthy is this Trump character?. Bragging about trying to fuck a mate's wife is not honourable and imputes a lack of trustworthiness, let alone basic decency.

    It's disgraceful behaviour, especially from one who has proclaimed himself a Christian.

    That's the point of the revelation.

    Best counter for mine is to simply note one cannot ultimately trust Trump to follow through on all the good things he promises but one can 100% trust Hillary to follow through on all the bad things she has promised.

    I wouldn't go around praising Trump as some "magnificent" "alpha" for his duplicitous behaviour and personal degeneracy.

  59. @anon930
    The crazy thing about the conventional on immigration is that i think the elites actually believe it. The other day I saw Reihan Salam post the list of foreign born immigrant billionaires by nationality. There was one country that wasn't on the list, i'll give you a hint it shares a 2,000 mile border with the United States. I don't think we're going to be stopping many Sergey Brins from coming to our country if we build a wall, even though that's what (((Zuckerberg, Soros, Bloomberg et. al))) would have you believe.

    Once again:
    right side of reality = wrong side of history
    wrong side of reality = right side of history

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Let the Sergey Brins stay in developing countries to help them out.

  60. @(((Owen)))
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate.
     
    Well, winter is coming and Mexico is warm. They keep promising Mexico is coming us, but it's never warm and sunny in January.

    I'm sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he's not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @iSteveFan

    What specifically did he do to embarrass you?

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous

    Are you kidding? He was uninformed. Hillary and Holt attacked him with facts that weren't even true and he didn't even know enough to correct them. He didn't understand his own issues.

    And there were darn few issues. It was mostly one Trump scandal after another from Hillary and Holt. When you say you have the poise and negotiating skill to be president, you should at least be able to get your issues on the table within ninety minutes against a feeble lady and soft moderator. But we heard nothing about Immigration and nothing about the Libya fiasco, nothing about Hillary's culpability for Iraq.

    He looked like a lunatic droning about his judgement while she smirked. There are facts to back up his argument, but he apparently didn't know them. At all. Instead he tried proof by raising his voice and interrupting.

    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG, @Neil Templeton, @AnotherDad

  61. @Glossy
    This is how I described the difference between Trump and Hillary to my apolitical mom:

    Imagine there's a beehive in the back yard. Hillary wants to open the house's windows and then attack the bees with a fumigator. Trump wants to leave the bees alone and close the windows.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This is a good analogy.

  62. OT but not, I watched the first episode of the new NCIS season and they’ve added an (older!) Hispanic female and a young Hispanic male.

    The lesson here (as in Star Wars) is that older white males are overdue for replacement, first in the culture then in reality.

  63. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @MLK

    Regardless, I think Trump's done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I've never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @(((Owen))), @MLK, @Joe Schmoe, @ben tillman, @Ed

    This is why women shouldn’t vote.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Joe Schmoe


    This is why women shouldn’t vote.
     
    Is there any reason why *anyone* should vote?

    Voting is undemocratic.

  64. @Alfa158
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Just a sample of one but my wife, who was a Democrat until this election, was watching this story on the network news. After they ran Trump's response, her comment was "Hah! nice comeback, now who cares, move on."
    I don't know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway. Maybe it's an attempt to hurt his support among the evangelical cucks. Not going change our vote, and I already knew that I would never leave that magnificent rascal alone with my wife.

    Replies: @Berty, @Mr. Blank, @Pat Hannagan

    It certainly has caused Trump’s unwilling “allies” in the GOP to jump ship pretty quickly. If they do somehow boot him from the ticket he should simply urge his voters to stay home. There’s no reason Kelly Ayotte or McCain should be rewarded for yet another stab in the back.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @Berty

    The left hasn't abided by constitutional restraints for a century, it may be time for the right to start doing the same.

    #DeathOfDemocracy

    , @rod1963
    @Berty

    Trump didn't have much in the way of allies in D.C. except for a handful of people. Most of the GOP is on the take just like the Democrats are. In fact most of them hate Trump and won't hesitate to shank him if given the chance.

    Really, they hate him since he stands for everything they support. Open borders, globalism, job destroying free trade pacts.

    In regards to McCain, the people of AZ are terminally stupid. The vile old goat is 80 years old and will not survive if elected back to the senate. He will die there. He's already outlived his father by a decade, so he's really pushing it.

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Former Darfur, @Jack Hanson

  65. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @iSteveFan

    In my opinion, the type of black guys who would give Donald Trump cred over this are not the type to go vote but you never know.

    I just don't think it will change things because Trump's entire appeal is that he is a red blooded businessman hoping to cut the best deals for America. Nobody should be surprised that he acts like a red blooded businessman when that has been his persona since day one, since the 1970s and 1980s when he first started appearing in the media. Also his wives are all actresses or models. This type of locker room talk is expected of him, he has never pretended to be a moralizer.

    Now if John Kasich, Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush said these things, it would probably sink them because they're moralizers who spent their political careers feigning disgust at various moral subjects. Trump's appeal and why he won in the primaries and is leading right now is specifically because he is not a moralizer. It will be fun for Hillary to act disgusted on Sunday's debate but all it will do is tee up any discussions about Bill's past and her role in covering things up. This is not a road that Hillary should be walking down but she is because she's desperate to find anything that can stick to Trump in these final weeks.

    For that reason, some people have speculated that Trump leaked it himself but I doubt it, it was a reaction by Democrats to cover up these leaks. These leaks would be a much better lead-in to the debates than to talk about another Trump "controversy" that will not go anywhere or move the needle.

    Replies: @newrouter

    >Now if John Kasich, Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush said these things, it would probably sink them because they’re moralizers who spent their political careers feigning disgust at various moral subjects.<

    I'm waiting for DJ Trump to shoot someone on 5th Avenue before making any judgement on this current kerfuffle.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    @newrouter

    I'd add the caveat that it also depends upon whom he shoots.

  66. Fat Shamer! Housekeeperizer!! Groper!!! P-Word User!!!!

    Well, the strategy is out in the open. Keep the women’s vote that you already have, and peel away a few more until there’s no time left to turn the tide.

    Too bad Trump’s still winging it at this point.

  67. Stuff that the Trump campaign could do right now:

    Bring Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, etc. to the debate. Have Trump call them out from the stage the way that presidents call out war heroes and the like during State of the Union speeches. Have Trump call out Bill during the debate. He’ll be in the audience. Ask him a question or two.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Glossy

    That was supposed to be one of Trump's trump cards. But that's been neutralized now due to these latest revelations painting Trump himself as a sexual predator and creep.

  68. @eD
    Anyway, I came here to post this link, which is on topic:

    https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/

    Excerpts of Hillary Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches.

    The takeaway is that she actually gave speeches, so they weren't purely a disguised form of bribery. And in these speeches, she pretty much promised to do anything Goldman Sachs wanted her to do if she had the power to do it. The only possible exception is that she said she favored single payer healthcare in theory, though promised not to do anything to get it implemented.

    There are people I know who really, really love banker capitalism or more money and power to the elites capitalism, and if you are that type this should improve your image of Hillary Clinton, though the backlash may be a bitch later.

    But people here seem to be mostly to be nationalist or law and order/ traditional conservatives and really this should disgust people with that philosophy.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    The fact that she actually gave speeches makes it no less a disguised form of bribery. No one is paying that much just to hear Hillary talk.

  69. “Lennonism” is funny, but I still prefer to call it the New World Order.

  70. @Alfa158
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Just a sample of one but my wife, who was a Democrat until this election, was watching this story on the network news. After they ran Trump's response, her comment was "Hah! nice comeback, now who cares, move on."
    I don't know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway. Maybe it's an attempt to hurt his support among the evangelical cucks. Not going change our vote, and I already knew that I would never leave that magnificent rascal alone with my wife.

    Replies: @Berty, @Mr. Blank, @Pat Hannagan

    I don’t know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway.

    That’s the sense I get from looking at my Facebook news feed. The people who are freaking out about this are precisely the ones you’d expect: Whiny low-T males and crazy cat lady liberal females. It’s another attempt to stir up the “coalition of the fringes.”

    All the normal people, even Hillary voters, are shrugging at this.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Blank


    All the normal people, even Hillary voters, are shrugging at this.
     
    A lot of Mormons rescinded their endorsements. If this doesn't blow over in a few weeks Trump may have lost Utah.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet, @Anon

  71. @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Not just "locker room boasts". He boasted about trying to nail some dude's wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @candid_observer

    He boasted about trying to nail some dude’s wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?

    Does it feel hysterical in here, or is it just you?

    It’s just you.

    Guess what, I’m not really worried about my wife and Trump. I’m not in the slightest sure that Trump wasn’t just making the whole thing up, because it’s about sexual prowess and it’s Trump. Even if she existed and was married and Trump went after her, I don’t give any kind of damn because stuff like this goes on all the time. Guess what: adultery happens. Really, it does. Maybe especially when you’re really rich and really famous.

    Think a little bit about John F Kennedy and his brother Bobby, if Bill Clinton seems too trite for you.

    If there’s anything that really should bother anyone, it’s actual sexual assault. And maybe that’s a far more real problem for Bill Clinton and likely Ted Kennedy than for any other American politician of prominence.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Would you be willing to make that kind of sacrifice if it meant a Trump victory though?

    Replies: @candid_observer

  72. @Alfa158
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    Just a sample of one but my wife, who was a Democrat until this election, was watching this story on the network news. After they ran Trump's response, her comment was "Hah! nice comeback, now who cares, move on."
    I don't know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway. Maybe it's an attempt to hurt his support among the evangelical cucks. Not going change our vote, and I already knew that I would never leave that magnificent rascal alone with my wife.

    Replies: @Berty, @Mr. Blank, @Pat Hannagan

    I would never leave that magnificent rascal alone with my wife.

    Odd juxtaposition of sentiment. Democrats would be playing on the public’s notion and questions of just how honourable and trustworthy is this Trump character?. Bragging about trying to fuck a mate’s wife is not honourable and imputes a lack of trustworthiness, let alone basic decency.

    It’s disgraceful behaviour, especially from one who has proclaimed himself a Christian.

    That’s the point of the revelation.

    Best counter for mine is to simply note one cannot ultimately trust Trump to follow through on all the good things he promises but one can 100% trust Hillary to follow through on all the bad things she has promised.

    I wouldn’t go around praising Trump as some “magnificent” “alpha” for his duplicitous behaviour and personal degeneracy.

  73. I don’t know if this moves the needle much. Maybe it generates the angry resentful White women vote, known as late married or unmarried White Professional women. They certainly have two rules for men; those worshiped by the media can do whatever they want, Trump was right about that; and those on the displeasure side of the media can do nothing but suffer the lashes of outrage for even existing. That’s the female double standard for men which has always been AT LEAST as big as men’s double standard and probably bigger.

    So maybe this generates turnout for Hillary. I don’t know. As a guy I’m hardly shocked. That’s Sunday School stuff no doubt to most professional sports locker rooms let alone the National Felons League or National Blacks Airborne league. Let alone Obama’s buddy Jay-Z.

    However what Hillary says is par for the course for nearly all media people, all people in the government, in NGOs, in education, in every elite occupation.

    That is to say, a private “real” policy and fake one for the public that no politician will ever actually do anything about.

    Open Borders (but only, only for White countries, never for say, Zimbabwe or Mexico or Peru).

    That Ordinary White People are the enemy, a “basket of deplorables” and should be erased from existence.

    That nations (again only White ones) should be erased in a mass of Third World global immigration.

    And let’s be honest, most White professional women, who hold enormous and disproportionate influence in our society, and always have (they are our downfall) are just fine with that.

    They don’t own property. They don’t have a lot of kids by men they admire. They don’t have genetic or property investments in the US. They are also hugely mobile, and disdain their icky, not cool or hot relatives. And their heritage. And their culture. And their people.

    Heck Hillary’s emails leaking will probably push her UP in the polls, because that sort of woman (Professional, White) loves loves loves that stuff.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Whiskey

    Okay Whiskey be honest. Admit you regret not listening to Patrick Buchanan twenty plus years ago. Admit you were wrong to side with the neocons and drum Buchanan out of the movement for his opposition to Iraq. Admit the neocons never had our best interests at heart.

    As for your comment about the needle, I haven't come across one Trump supporter who will leave over this. I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd. Most of them are nevertrumpers anyway.

    Provided there are no more videos, I think it is good the debate is tomorrow so this tape story doesn't linger for a week or two. The debate forces the attention back to the other issues, provided of course, they don't hand pick every audience member with a question about the tape. I mean how much can they talk about it? Of course Trump needs to use his skills to briefly answer and then move on and steer the debate towards his issues.

    Unless there are more tapes to come, I think it might have been a mistake to use this tape at this time. But the cuck Erick Erickson claims even bigger stuff is on the way. I wonder how he knows.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Matra

  74. @(((Owen)))
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate.
     
    Well, winter is coming and Mexico is warm. They keep promising Mexico is coming us, but it's never warm and sunny in January.

    I'm sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he's not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @iSteveFan

    Do you force your family to defend Hillary and her husband to you? Because for any fault they can find with Trump, you can name something the Clintons have done that’s worse. And that includes the worst sorts of crassness and vulgarity.

    Try this one on your family:

    “At one point [in the transcript of Lewinsky’s August 1998 sworn deposition], the ex-intern was asked, ‘On that date did you gratify [Clinton] in some way other than performing oral sex?’ While Lewinsky’s answer to that question–‘Yes’–was included in the transcript, six follow-up questions (and Lewinsky’s answers) were excised from the transcript.

    “However, Lewinsky’s description of how she gratified Clinton can be gleaned from the transcript’s unredacted digest, which includes an alphabetized list of all key words that appear in the Lewinsky deposition….

    “After Lewinsky acknowledged the other-than-oral-sex gratification, she was asked a question (page 20, line 3) that included the words ‘anus,’ ‘mouth,’ ‘orally,’ and ‘stimulate.’ A follow-up question (page 20, line 12) included the words ‘anus’ and ‘orally.’”

    http://coed.com/2012/09/26/finding-out-monica-lewinsky-probably-stimulated-bill-clintons-anus-orally-was-worth-the-15-year-wait/

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Harry Baldwin


    Do you force your family to defend Hillary and her husband to you?
     
    Of course not. The burden of proof is on the affirmative. Hillary has the backing of the establishment of our nation. It's Trump that has to make the case for himself. As long as the election is about nothing but bullshit, She wins. He could have won only by being better on the issues.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  75. @candid_observer
    @Anonymous


    He boasted about trying to nail some dude’s wife. Would you let him nail your wife if it meant that he would win the election?
     
    Does it feel hysterical in here, or is it just you?

    It's just you.

    Guess what, I'm not really worried about my wife and Trump. I'm not in the slightest sure that Trump wasn't just making the whole thing up, because it's about sexual prowess and it's Trump. Even if she existed and was married and Trump went after her, I don't give any kind of damn because stuff like this goes on all the time. Guess what: adultery happens. Really, it does. Maybe especially when you're really rich and really famous.

    Think a little bit about John F Kennedy and his brother Bobby, if Bill Clinton seems too trite for you.

    If there's anything that really should bother anyone, it's actual sexual assault. And maybe that's a far more real problem for Bill Clinton and likely Ted Kennedy than for any other American politician of prominence.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Would you be willing to make that kind of sacrifice if it meant a Trump victory though?

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Anonymous

    Would you do so for a Trump defeat?

    You first.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  76. @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    College buddy of mine was a Senate page. He said Kaine was a regular at the Senate gym. He saw him in the locker room a few times and said that he's hung like a horse.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @5371, @Former Darfur

    Boy, I can’t believe we can now source the manly size of Kaine’s thingy to the report of a friend of a Mr. Anonymous on the Internet.

    Why would these upstanding, well known individuals make anything up about a politician in an election season?

    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    @candid_observer

    I guess we know Tim Kaine isn't the mind behind our own "Tiny D*ck"

  77. @Mr. Blank
    @Alfa158


    I don’t know if this latest stunt is going to trigger anyone except the cat ladies who are voting for Hillary anyway.
     
    That's the sense I get from looking at my Facebook news feed. The people who are freaking out about this are precisely the ones you'd expect: Whiny low-T males and crazy cat lady liberal females. It's another attempt to stir up the "coalition of the fringes."

    All the normal people, even Hillary voters, are shrugging at this.

    Replies: @AP

    All the normal people, even Hillary voters, are shrugging at this.

    A lot of Mormons rescinded their endorsements. If this doesn’t blow over in a few weeks Trump may have lost Utah.

    • Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet
    @AP

    Donald Trump losing Utah but gaining Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, Colorado, and the second district of Maine seems like a good trade to me!

    Replies: @AP

    , @Anon
    @AP

    What, is Utah going to vote for Hillary? Pothead Gary Johnson? They aren't viable alternatives for Mormons, either.

    Replies: @AP

  78. @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    Would you be willing to make that kind of sacrifice if it meant a Trump victory though?

    Replies: @candid_observer

    Would you do so for a Trump defeat?

    You first.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @candid_observer

    No.

  79. @AP
    @Mr. Blank


    All the normal people, even Hillary voters, are shrugging at this.
     
    A lot of Mormons rescinded their endorsements. If this doesn't blow over in a few weeks Trump may have lost Utah.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet, @Anon

    Donald Trump losing Utah but gaining Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, Colorado, and the second district of Maine seems like a good trade to me!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    He's not going to "gain" those areas due to the recent scandals.

  80. @(((Owen)))
    @Stephen R. Diamond


    Regardless, I think Trump’s done.
     
    Not because of any decades old tape. Trump always needed to win the debates, especially the first debate, to have a chance.

    Then it turned out he couldn't be bothered to practice, study, train, or prepare to face off against Hillary. She successfully drained the debate of all issues and made it a hate fast of Trump faux-scandals. He had no idea how to proceed or how to face off against her. He utterly failed to control the agenda. And then he continued afterward as if he had won.

    This is the consequence when only a lazy idiot is allowed to stand up for the future of your country. The clever people working to sell you out easily vanquish him at the last stage of the contest.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Eagle Eye

    Not because of any decades old tape.

    Maybe not. I’m not sure what would happen had this tape come out when his prospects were better. But it’s come at the wrong time, and I think it will prove a watershed. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Trump is down, having been humiliated by Grandma. I think his softer supporters will prove intolerant of his alpha-male behavior when alpha-male status is undeserved.

  81. @candid_observer
    @Anonymous

    Would you do so for a Trump defeat?

    You first.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No.

  82. @Mr. Blank
    Question: Do our elites really, truly believe this? Or are they forced to speak this way because they have no acceptable vocabulary to articulate alternatives? That is, they know on some level that this is hooey, but they feel they're locked into this track by forces beyond their control and are trusting that some clever group of elites on down the road will solve the dilemma?

    Or are they so malicious that they actively understand what they're doing and just assume they'll never have to face the consequences?

    I tend to assume it's got to be one of the first two options, but a few more years and I might switch to option three.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @FX Enderby, @Anon, @Harold

    The recent leaks would seem to indicate they do in fact know better, but either don’t care or don’t want to admit it, at least for some of them.
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/197

  83. @Glossy
    Stuff that the Trump campaign could do right now:

    Bring Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, etc. to the debate. Have Trump call them out from the stage the way that presidents call out war heroes and the like during State of the Union speeches. Have Trump call out Bill during the debate. He'll be in the audience. Ask him a question or two.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That was supposed to be one of Trump’s trump cards. But that’s been neutralized now due to these latest revelations painting Trump himself as a sexual predator and creep.

  84. What I find bizarre is Hillary’s tweet about Trump’s tape:

    Seriously, how does the woman who was married to Bill Clinton, and supported him after all the things he did, presume to say such a thing?

    Does she really think this won’t be thrown right back in her face?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @candid_observer

    While Bill has admitted to several affairs, there is no "consensus" on the broader allegations made against him. We have a tape openly confirming what many consider the worst aspect of Trump's character: disregard for social norms. Its an invocation to adultery and sexual assault* if not rape according to the way liberals define it.

    *The tape seems to be talking about how Alpha males are held to different standards, but all of us should know that nuance doesn't matter in these types of cases.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @ATX Hipster
    @candid_observer


    Does she really think this won’t be thrown right back in her face
     
    Is there any good reason to think it will be thrown back in her face?
    , @(((Owen)))
    @candid_observer


    Seriously, how does the woman who was married to Bill Clinton, and supported him after all the things he did, presume to say such a thing?

    Does she really think this won’t be thrown right back in her face?

     

    When the press is uniformly on your side, nothing gets thrown back in your face. The only way for Trump to win is on the issues. There's no amount of her misconduct that could help him because the establishment press will make sure swing voters never ever see it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

  85. It is illegal in many states to record conversation w/o permission. There is no exemption for a TV station with an “open mike”. This is because very few of us can have every single moment of our lives subject to scrutiny.
    We could not have in any sense a “private life” or a right to free speech if that were the case. Locker room conversations, Ethnic Jokes, Golf Course ones, Wall Street “Death Jokes”, sexual instruction and talk, sexual bragging, Bullshitting, bar room talk, and gossip would all seem outrageous to someone if these were somehow broadcast to the world at large. If I say something dumb at the bar one night, my friends forget about it and the next time I see them, they don’t mention it at all – this is how we are meant to be.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Name Withheld


    It is illegal in many states to record conversation w/o permission. There is no exemption for a TV station with an “open mike”.
     
    In a man's world.

    In the coming Hillary world, men's words, once uttered, are important silver bullets to be used against the patriarchy and must not be given the privilege of privacy.

    "You said" is what is important. Words, not actions, are what count in any moral reckoning.

    This is because actions are such a patriarchal notion.

  86. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @(((Owen)))


    Not because of any decades old tape.
     
    Maybe not. I'm not sure what would happen had this tape come out when his prospects were better. But it's come at the wrong time, and I think it will prove a watershed. We'll see.

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond

    Trump is down, having been humiliated by Grandma. I think his softer supporters will prove intolerant of his alpha-male behavior when alpha-male status is undeserved.

  87. @Barnard
    Much like Tony Blair wanted to be the first President of Europe, Bill and Hillary would have been thrilled at the possibility of being the first President of North America.

    Replies: @celt darnell

    President of North America?

    You’re selling Bonnie and Clyde seriously short.

    They wanted to be the first president of the Americas.

    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    @celt darnell

    I seem to remember fawning coverage of First Lady Clinton traveling to a remote African village and having awestruck native women addressing her as "queen of the world." So she's already had that...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  88. @newrouter
    @Random Dude on the Internet

    >Now if John Kasich, Ted Cruz, or Jeb Bush said these things, it would probably sink them because they’re moralizers who spent their political careers feigning disgust at various moral subjects.<

    I'm waiting for DJ Trump to shoot someone on 5th Avenue before making any judgement on this current kerfuffle.

    Replies: @celt darnell

    I’d add the caveat that it also depends upon whom he shoots.

  89. Dirk Dagger [AKA "oarsman:regatta"] says: • Website
    @eD
    "Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?"

    I just saw this and this is pretty fun.

    The answer is Tim Kaine, who even if he isn't gay is pretty pussy-whipped.

    Pence deliberately converted to Catholicism to Protestant evangelicalism, and seeing pictures of him with his family, I don't think he is too much into this stuff, but he may well have been different in his college days.

    Hillary Clinton of course is a woman, but then she hangs out with Bill and has had no problem with throwing women under the bus at various times during her life.

    Trump is still the most likely (four wives, numerous transcripts/ tapes of him boasting about these sorts of things in public).

    Btw, I really don't think this stuff is that big a deal.

    In the UK, the Prime Minister with the loosest sexual morals was Lloyd George, eg "the Goat", and Churchill, though he does have some competition for being the most alcoholic PM, was known as a drunk. The two statues in front of the entrance of the House of Commons are of Lloyd George and Churchill, they are generally conceded to the two best or at least most needed at the time PMs. Americans are much more moralistic, but even that hasn't kept Jefferson and Grant, for example, being held in fairly high regard.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar

    Hasn’t pussy talk been de-criminalized? I thought we were all OK with it?

    A more nuanced view of Mr. Jordan’s role in the crisis, however, is starting to emerge. The Feb. 2 editions of Time and Newsweek provide more rounded pictures of the President’s chief fixer. And given the X-rated tenor of the scandale , both magazines reported the two men’s fondness for the ladies. Asked what they talked about on the golf course, Mr. Jordan is said to have replied, “We talk pussy.” Newsweek ran the word sans the two s’s. Time did away with all the letters, expect p.

    The Observer in 1998

  90. Apparently Trump’s locker room talk has caused Paul (Cuck) Ryan to cancel his joint appearance with Trump. Its rumored that Ryan might even endorse Hillary!

    Its easy to see why men like Ryan act the way they do. There is a guy in my catechism class. Owns his own business. He’s a contractor. Has a (fatish) Blonde Wife and two daughters, they play soccer. I see them in Mass, I’m in a suit (as is my brother), its MASS not a Sunday brunch. They’re all dressed casually. Anyway the guy is devoted to his wife and daughters. And he’s a total Trump hater, constantly going on about how awful Trump is.

    That’s pretty much the explanation of Cuckoldry among White men. They are that way to appeal to their wives and daughters, and more broadly the “nice” professional women who sometimes vote Republican. Nicholas Stix has a note on class and anti-Trumpism; among “Chicuppereastide” professional White women and …

    Charles Murray. Who despises Trump and will never vote for him; even if it means the end of the US. Because of Class Hatred. [Stix Name Checks Steve on how yes, German Upper Class Jews HATE HATE HATE working class Eastern European Jews like Stix.]

    Is Charles Murray a Cuck? Oh my yes certainly. Because he’s Upper Class. And they more than any other group of White people are run by their horrid women. Working class women … work. They don’t have time for moral panics, status signaling, fame whoring, and other diversions that mark upper class White women like a Kim Kardashian signature junk jewelry.

  91. The most hilarious release is that John Podesta is a strong believer in HBD. :

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anoni

    Nah, that's an email somebody in the Netherlands sent Podesta.

  92. @iSteveFan
    @candid_observer

    Yes, and the people who claim to only want to debate the issues have been throwing one scandal after another doing everything possible to avoid those very issues they say they want to discuss.

    I can't say I am happy about this tape, but let's see how he handles it. I haven't spoken to one Trump supporter who is going to abandon him over this because, A) close to all guys have spoken like this, B) most Trump supporters aren't on board with open borders, globalism, etc.

    Strategically doesn't this open up the topic to Bill? And so far, Bill has a trail of women who claimed he raped or harassed them. Trump to my knowledge has no women claiming such things, Miss Piggy excepted. To me this means Trump talks like most red-blooded guys, but hasn't done anything like Bill.

    I still wonder why they released this tape on a Friday afternoon. Was it to drown out the latest wikileaks? Or was it just the first in a series of drips? You'd think they would have wanted Trump to go to the debate and say he never spoke like this about women. Then after denying, they could run this tape. But now it is already out there.

    So why release it today?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Lagertha

    The knives are coming out, I bet the RNC will force him out in favor of Pence.

    I believe this was planned far earlier than we think.

  93. @celt darnell
    @Barnard

    President of North America?

    You're selling Bonnie and Clyde seriously short.

    They wanted to be the first president of the Americas.

    Replies: @FX Enderby

    I seem to remember fawning coverage of First Lady Clinton traveling to a remote African village and having awestruck native women addressing her as “queen of the world.” So she’s already had that…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @FX Enderby


    I seem to remember fawning coverage of First Lady Clinton traveling to a remote African village and having awestruck native women addressing her as “queen of the world.” So she’s already had that…
     
    That was then. Barry is Queen of the World now.
  94. @Anoni
    The most hilarious release is that John Podesta is a strong believer in HBD. :
    https://twitter.com/Miami4Trump/status/784567754590449664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Nah, that’s an email somebody in the Netherlands sent Podesta.

  95. Last add, lest anyone be in doubt, Slashdot reports that Marissa Mayer illegally purged (White) Male Employees.

    Can anyone imagine say, Donald Trump firing most of his female employees? Of course not. Can everyone imagine Hillary or Lean Forward Sheryl Sandberg or any other White Female Professional doing EXACTLY what Mayer did?

    If you want to know why Hillary is the favorite to win, Marissa Mayer and the millions of White professional women just like her are the reason.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Whiskey

    Mayer tried to reposition Yahoo as a content generator to pursue the women's media market. That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn't work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women's movies and hire male suits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster, @TangoMan, @res

    , @AndrewR
    @Whiskey

    >Sandberg

    >any other White female

    Pick one

    , @res
    @Whiskey

    This is interesting. I wonder if there is a paper trail showing this? (i.e. does he have proof?) Sounds like a good time for a statistical analysis of the performance review changes made by Liberman. From the Mercury News article:


    Liberman, he said, once “unilaterally lowered” the scores of three men whose performance Ard had evaluated, while she maintained the scores of two women.
     
  96. Last add, lest anyone be in doubt, Slashdot reports that Marissa Mayer illegally purged (White) Male Employees.

    The thing speaks for itself.

  97. @candid_observer
    What I find bizarre is Hillary's tweet about Trump's tape:

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/784497331647422464

    Seriously, how does the woman who was married to Bill Clinton, and supported him after all the things he did, presume to say such a thing?

    Does she really think this won't be thrown right back in her face?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @ATX Hipster, @(((Owen)))

    While Bill has admitted to several affairs, there is no “consensus” on the broader allegations made against him. We have a tape openly confirming what many consider the worst aspect of Trump’s character: disregard for social norms. Its an invocation to adultery and sexual assault* if not rape according to the way liberals define it.

    *The tape seems to be talking about how Alpha males are held to different standards, but all of us should know that nuance doesn’t matter in these types of cases.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Maj. Kong

    What social norms did Trump violate? It isn't even clear from the tape that he was aware the woman in question was married.

    Meanwhile, there is full consensus that Bill committed adultery.

    Replies: @Ed, @Maj. Kong, @S. anonyia

  98. Excellent rebuttal/apology By Trump.

    Attacks Clintons re. their record with women at end, and promises to go in hard on that later.

    Good stuff.

  99. @Berty
    @Alfa158

    It certainly has caused Trump's unwilling "allies" in the GOP to jump ship pretty quickly. If they do somehow boot him from the ticket he should simply urge his voters to stay home. There's no reason Kelly Ayotte or McCain should be rewarded for yet another stab in the back.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @rod1963

    The left hasn’t abided by constitutional restraints for a century, it may be time for the right to start doing the same.

    #DeathOfDemocracy

  100. @Whiskey
    Last add, lest anyone be in doubt, Slashdot reports that Marissa Mayer illegally purged (White) Male Employees.

    Can anyone imagine say, Donald Trump firing most of his female employees? Of course not. Can everyone imagine Hillary or Lean Forward Sheryl Sandberg or any other White Female Professional doing EXACTLY what Mayer did?

    If you want to know why Hillary is the favorite to win, Marissa Mayer and the millions of White professional women just like her are the reason.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR, @res

    Mayer tried to reposition Yahoo as a content generator to pursue the women’s media market. That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn’t work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women’s movies and hire male suits.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    The irony is that its male oriented content, namely Yahoo Finance and Yahoo Sports, were and still are its primary strengths. Yahoo News was also strong as a milder, tamer version of the Daily Mail with lots of wacky, zany news stories. Mayer came in and changed the graphics around and started promoting women's interest type content like dieting and yoga everywhere.

    , @ATX Hipster
    @Steve Sailer

    Come on, Steve, it's the current year. The thing now is to make your superheroes be pansexual or queer black women. No stale, pale, males required.

    , @TangoMan
    @Steve Sailer

    That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn’t work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives.

    Abercrombie and Fitch had a legitimate business strategy of going after the White yuppie market and wanting good looking salespeople to be the ambassadors of the brand image. EEOC and the Courts put them under a court ordered personnel policy to insure that they diversified their staffing.

    Replies: @FX Enderby, @Lot

    , @res
    @Steve Sailer


    That seems like a legit business strategy ... and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women’s movies and hire male suits.
     
    Interesting take. How does this happen in other businesses? What obligations do businesses have to employees who become a worse fit due to strategy changes? Are the same "rules" applicable to hiring? Can we take it as a given that men/women (substitute other un/protected classes as desired) are unable to manage (or inferior at managing) content generation for women/men? And speaking to the substance of the lawsuit, does this make it OK to systematically modify performance reviews in an effort at justification?

    It seems to me this is just another example of "Who, Whom?" I'm beginning to think a requirement of any discrimination lawsuit should be that the facts of the case be presented with randomly scrambled demographic characteristics--I mean we're all just the same, right?

    See also TangoMan's EEOC comment above.

    P.S. This comment probably comes off as aggressive because this issue hits close to home. I appreciate your giving the contrary POV. (on pondering your last sentence, I considered not posting this entire comment because I'm wondering if that was a concise way of addressing my diatribe, but am letting it stand because I am curious if there are any answers or concrete examples)
  101. @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous


    The population of the Western Hemisphere is approaching 670,000,000.

    I don’t think we should assume that even in that scenario, as disastrous as it would be, there would be enforceable borders separating the Americas from the rest of the world.
     
    If we could have secure, strictly limited immigration across the oceans, but had to agree to full open borders in the Western Hemisphere to accomplish it, that would be a fantastic bargain. Outside Guatemala, Honduras, and Bolivia, our hemisphere's birth rates are all around or below replacement and dropping. That means we may face consequences of loss of borders, but we don't face ethnic cleansing and ultimate extirpation at the hands of hostile aliens.

    Remember the Most Important Graph in the World. None of those lines that go crazy nuclear are from the Americas.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Romanian

    If we could have secure, strictly limited immigration across the oceans, but had to agree to full open borders in the Western Hemisphere to accomplish it, that would be a fantastic bargain.

    I agree, that would be a fantastic bargain. I really like many people in Uruguay and Argentina and other nations.

    This movement needs to get off the defense and mount some kind of counter-offensive. Staying on pure defense and resistance is depressing.

  102. @eD
    "Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?"

    I just saw this and this is pretty fun.

    The answer is Tim Kaine, who even if he isn't gay is pretty pussy-whipped.

    Pence deliberately converted to Catholicism to Protestant evangelicalism, and seeing pictures of him with his family, I don't think he is too much into this stuff, but he may well have been different in his college days.

    Hillary Clinton of course is a woman, but then she hangs out with Bill and has had no problem with throwing women under the bus at various times during her life.

    Trump is still the most likely (four wives, numerous transcripts/ tapes of him boasting about these sorts of things in public).

    Btw, I really don't think this stuff is that big a deal.

    In the UK, the Prime Minister with the loosest sexual morals was Lloyd George, eg "the Goat", and Churchill, though he does have some competition for being the most alcoholic PM, was known as a drunk. The two statues in front of the entrance of the House of Commons are of Lloyd George and Churchill, they are generally conceded to the two best or at least most needed at the time PMs. Americans are much more moralistic, but even that hasn't kept Jefferson and Grant, for example, being held in fairly high regard.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar

    Pitt the younger was (supposedly) once so drunk that they had to bring a bucket for him to vomit in before he made a speech in parliament. He was prime minister at the time.

  103. @FX Enderby
    @celt darnell

    I seem to remember fawning coverage of First Lady Clinton traveling to a remote African village and having awestruck native women addressing her as "queen of the world." So she's already had that...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I seem to remember fawning coverage of First Lady Clinton traveling to a remote African village and having awestruck native women addressing her as “queen of the world.” So she’s already had that…

    That was then. Barry is Queen of the World now.

  104. Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people living life in peace

  105. @Maj. Kong
    @candid_observer

    While Bill has admitted to several affairs, there is no "consensus" on the broader allegations made against him. We have a tape openly confirming what many consider the worst aspect of Trump's character: disregard for social norms. Its an invocation to adultery and sexual assault* if not rape according to the way liberals define it.

    *The tape seems to be talking about how Alpha males are held to different standards, but all of us should know that nuance doesn't matter in these types of cases.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    What social norms did Trump violate? It isn’t even clear from the tape that he was aware the woman in question was married.

    Meanwhile, there is full consensus that Bill committed adultery.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Opinionator

    Issue here is the news cycle but how many watch news regularly? How many votes will this change?

    A woman that's for Trump at this point has over looked a lot of stuff already to do so. Why jump off now over 11 years ago?

    I doubt this gets him more votes though.

    , @Maj. Kong
    @Opinionator

    The entire Trump campaign has been a rebellion against our system of social norms known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism.

    Donald Trump is not a man invested in the concept of "manners", chivalry, noblisse oblige, deference to ones superiors. Right now, we do need someone who isn't concerned about being liked, but in ordinary times these are bad qualities. An unknown, but far too large, number of voters still think we are living under an ordinary system rather than the deluge of Raspail.

    , @S. anonyia
    @Opinionator

    Also it's not clear from the tape whether anything happened at all, at least in 2005ish. Just sounded like old man braggadocio.

  106. @candid_observer
    What I find bizarre is Hillary's tweet about Trump's tape:

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/784497331647422464

    Seriously, how does the woman who was married to Bill Clinton, and supported him after all the things he did, presume to say such a thing?

    Does she really think this won't be thrown right back in her face?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @ATX Hipster, @(((Owen)))

    Does she really think this won’t be thrown right back in her face

    Is there any good reason to think it will be thrown back in her face?

  107. @eD
    "Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?"

    I just saw this and this is pretty fun.

    The answer is Tim Kaine, who even if he isn't gay is pretty pussy-whipped.

    Pence deliberately converted to Catholicism to Protestant evangelicalism, and seeing pictures of him with his family, I don't think he is too much into this stuff, but he may well have been different in his college days.

    Hillary Clinton of course is a woman, but then she hangs out with Bill and has had no problem with throwing women under the bus at various times during her life.

    Trump is still the most likely (four wives, numerous transcripts/ tapes of him boasting about these sorts of things in public).

    Btw, I really don't think this stuff is that big a deal.

    In the UK, the Prime Minister with the loosest sexual morals was Lloyd George, eg "the Goat", and Churchill, though he does have some competition for being the most alcoholic PM, was known as a drunk. The two statues in front of the entrance of the House of Commons are of Lloyd George and Churchill, they are generally conceded to the two best or at least most needed at the time PMs. Americans are much more moralistic, but even that hasn't kept Jefferson and Grant, for example, being held in fairly high regard.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger, @FX Enderby, @Reg Cæsar

    Lloyd George told his wife it was her Methodism that drove him to cheat. Warren Harding was also married to a Methodist, and cheated. And now, Bill.

    Good premise for an HBO series. Weasels and Wesleyans.

  108. @Kyle a
    At least the can't spread any gay rumors about Trump.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    At least the[y] can’t spread any gay rumors about Trump.

    Right. Because they never simultaneously insisted that Trump would start a nuclear war and that Vladimir Putin was supporting Trump because he would be easy to work with. And the press never helped them push both narratives with completely straight faces.

  109. @candid_observer
    @Anonymous

    Boy, I can't believe we can now source the manly size of Kaine's thingy to the report of a friend of a Mr. Anonymous on the Internet.

    Why would these upstanding, well known individuals make anything up about a politician in an election season?

    Replies: @FX Enderby

    I guess we know Tim Kaine isn’t the mind behind our own “Tiny D*ck”

  110. @Name Withheld
    It is illegal in many states to record conversation w/o permission. There is no exemption for a TV station with an "open mike". This is because very few of us can have every single moment of our lives subject to scrutiny.
    We could not have in any sense a "private life" or a right to free speech if that were the case. Locker room conversations, Ethnic Jokes, Golf Course ones, Wall Street "Death Jokes", sexual instruction and talk, sexual bragging, Bullshitting, bar room talk, and gossip would all seem outrageous to someone if these were somehow broadcast to the world at large. If I say something dumb at the bar one night, my friends forget about it and the next time I see them, they don't mention it at all - this is how we are meant to be.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    It is illegal in many states to record conversation w/o permission. There is no exemption for a TV station with an “open mike”.

    In a man’s world.

    In the coming Hillary world, men’s words, once uttered, are important silver bullets to be used against the patriarchy and must not be given the privilege of privacy.

    “You said” is what is important. Words, not actions, are what count in any moral reckoning.

    This is because actions are such a patriarchal notion.

  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Whiskey

    Mayer tried to reposition Yahoo as a content generator to pursue the women's media market. That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn't work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women's movies and hire male suits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster, @TangoMan, @res

    The irony is that its male oriented content, namely Yahoo Finance and Yahoo Sports, were and still are its primary strengths. Yahoo News was also strong as a milder, tamer version of the Daily Mail with lots of wacky, zany news stories. Mayer came in and changed the graphics around and started promoting women’s interest type content like dieting and yoga everywhere.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    @Whiskey

    Mayer tried to reposition Yahoo as a content generator to pursue the women's media market. That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn't work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women's movies and hire male suits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster, @TangoMan, @res

    Come on, Steve, it’s the current year. The thing now is to make your superheroes be pansexual or queer black women. No stale, pale, males required.

  113. @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    What specifically did he do to embarrass you?

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Are you kidding? He was uninformed. Hillary and Holt attacked him with facts that weren’t even true and he didn’t even know enough to correct them. He didn’t understand his own issues.

    And there were darn few issues. It was mostly one Trump scandal after another from Hillary and Holt. When you say you have the poise and negotiating skill to be president, you should at least be able to get your issues on the table within ninety minutes against a feeble lady and soft moderator. But we heard nothing about Immigration and nothing about the Libya fiasco, nothing about Hillary’s culpability for Iraq.

    He looked like a lunatic droning about his judgement while she smirked. There are facts to back up his argument, but he apparently didn’t know them. At all. Instead he tried proof by raising his voice and interrupting.

    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @(((Owen)))

    He's not even much of a negotiator, if he agrees to debate before a uniformly hostile panel.

    Replies: @res

    , @SFG
    @(((Owen)))

    The question is about interests. In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He's a flawed candidate. Hillary wants to increase immigration to please her constituents; Trump wants to decrease it for the same reason. Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men. Hillary is good for everyone who's not white; Trump, for everyone who's white.

    I don't think he has a winning coalition anymore, but he at least deserves your vote. Besides, if the parentheses mean what they usually mean, as IJ says, you want more Muslim refugees? Remember who's doing all the actual antisemitic violence in Europe these days, Pepe and Co. aside.

    Family, well, that's always hard. No point getting disowned over a few votes, and you may not even live in a swing state. But you could at least make the case that if Hillary wins, we are going to look a lot more like Brazil, there is going to be a lot more interethnic conflict as power levels equalize, and so on.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Thea, @ATX Hipster

    , @Neil Templeton
    @(((Owen)))

    Trump cannot "argue" with Hillary over issues if he wants to preserve his status as a worthy leader. To concede that her point is worthy of argument is to concede that she has equal status to him. On a subconscious level this is a fail. The arguments can be made by others. He must simply convey that he is in command, that he will lead America to a better future, and that she would lead it to shame. Not an easy task for Mr. Trump, given that a significant portion of the folks who stage these events would love to watch him self immolate, but it's doable.

    , @AnotherDad
    @(((Owen)))


    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.
     
    C'mon (((Owen)))--no shame--of course he's worth voting for. All the stuff you say is true about Trump--undisciplined, full of himself. But Trump is absolutely worth voting for given the alternative. This election isn't about tax rates and health care it's about civilizational survival.

    When the nation is turned to shit--Brazil-North--we're going to pat ourselves on our backs because we didn't elect the guy who talked--actually more like bullshitted to some other guy--about grabbing some girl's pussy?

    Sure when the conflict and strife are intolerable, your (((family))) may have the option of ducking out and living amongst their own tribe in Israel. But
    a) show some loyalty to your fellow Americans for once, who have been very good to the Jews
    and
    b) you may find when the West has turned to shit that Israel alone isn't so peachy or secure as you thought; i know when the West is a big pig pile, i can't see my descendants thinking they have some obligation to help out the people who gleefully trashed it

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

  114. Early voting from NC.

    This race isn’t over but Trump needs a good debate Sunday.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Ed

    Does anyone have the Yank betting odds please? Trump is currently from $4 to $4.70 in Oz, which is insane given the close polls. I can't get Yank odds to compare though.

    Definitely want to get some on at 4.7

  115. I promise last add, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:

    The Wikileaks Podesta Letters have a stunning indictment of Germany’s Multiculti immigrant disaster.

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have an IQ of a turnip and the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. Things get worse not better and its Class Conflict raised to extermination levels.

    Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    • Replies: @Anoni
    @Whiskey

    Unfortunately too not from Podesta. I made that mistkae above. But it is a stunning indictment.

    , @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    Podesta has other priorities:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/08/the-long-strange-history-of-john-podestas-space-alien-obsession/

    , @Pat Hannagan
    @Whiskey

    That's an astounding assessment of the situation. Thanks. Will share.

    , @iSteveFan
    @Whiskey

    Thanks Whiskey. That is definitely huuge. I don't care what the media tries to do over the next few days and at the debate, but Trump must discuss this particular email. The dems basically acknowledge the problems of the muslim immigrants and their anti-white hatred. They acknowledge the White Germans are having to leave their neighborhoods for fear of their lives. Remember when Trump was ridiculed for mentioning no-go areas where muslims immigrate? Well they acknowledge that too.

    YET, YET, YET they still are on board with bringing tens of thousands of muslims into the US.

    Trump could and should go to town with this. Every American needs to know that the ruling elite are well aware of the damage being done in Germany by these immigrants, but still they want to bring them to the US.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @Whiskey

    The recipient I gather is John Podesta, former Clinton chief of staff. Who is "[email protected]", his correspondent?

    If it's just some random guy, no matter the verity of the contents, while it's important to all of us it doesn't address the immediate issue, which is to hold Hillary's feet to the electoral fire. Anyone keeping an eye on Europe (e.g. reading the German Joys website or Breitbart) has an idea of the score.

    , @eah
    @Whiskey

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have ... the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. ... Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Stimmt nicht -- wahnsinnig übertrieben.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

  116. @Harry Baldwin
    @(((Owen)))

    Do you force your family to defend Hillary and her husband to you? Because for any fault they can find with Trump, you can name something the Clintons have done that's worse. And that includes the worst sorts of crassness and vulgarity.

    Try this one on your family:


    “At one point [in the transcript of Lewinsky’s August 1998 sworn deposition], the ex-intern was asked, ‘On that date did you gratify [Clinton] in some way other than performing oral sex?’ While Lewinsky’s answer to that question–‘Yes’–was included in the transcript, six follow-up questions (and Lewinsky’s answers) were excised from the transcript.

    “However, Lewinsky’s description of how she gratified Clinton can be gleaned from the transcript’s unredacted digest, which includes an alphabetized list of all key words that appear in the Lewinsky deposition….

    “After Lewinsky acknowledged the other-than-oral-sex gratification, she was asked a question (page 20, line 3) that included the words ‘anus,’ ‘mouth,’ ‘orally,’ and ‘stimulate.’ A follow-up question (page 20, line 12) included the words ‘anus’ and ‘orally.'”
     
    http://coed.com/2012/09/26/finding-out-monica-lewinsky-probably-stimulated-bill-clintons-anus-orally-was-worth-the-15-year-wait/

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Do you force your family to defend Hillary and her husband to you?

    Of course not. The burden of proof is on the affirmative. Hillary has the backing of the establishment of our nation. It’s Trump that has to make the case for himself. As long as the election is about nothing but bullshit, She wins. He could have won only by being better on the issues.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @(((Owen)))

    I think it's cute how you ignore whenever the "issues" are brought up the media, acting in collusion with the Dems, immediately brings up some ridiculous shit that you blame him for being brought up.

    We get it, you were never going to vote Trump and are quite eager to surrender immediately. Sad.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

  117. @iSteveFan
    @candid_observer

    Yes, and the people who claim to only want to debate the issues have been throwing one scandal after another doing everything possible to avoid those very issues they say they want to discuss.

    I can't say I am happy about this tape, but let's see how he handles it. I haven't spoken to one Trump supporter who is going to abandon him over this because, A) close to all guys have spoken like this, B) most Trump supporters aren't on board with open borders, globalism, etc.

    Strategically doesn't this open up the topic to Bill? And so far, Bill has a trail of women who claimed he raped or harassed them. Trump to my knowledge has no women claiming such things, Miss Piggy excepted. To me this means Trump talks like most red-blooded guys, but hasn't done anything like Bill.

    I still wonder why they released this tape on a Friday afternoon. Was it to drown out the latest wikileaks? Or was it just the first in a series of drips? You'd think they would have wanted Trump to go to the debate and say he never spoke like this about women. Then after denying, they could run this tape. But now it is already out there.

    So why release it today?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @Lagertha

    So why release it today?

    Next Tuesday, is Yom Kippur…so, maybe the Dems don’t want Ivanka’s beautiful family pics (after Rosh Hoshanah last Monday) to be displayed. Or anymore pics of that gorgeous Trump brood. They are out-breeding the anemic and sickly looking Clintons for God’s sake!

    I mean, 6 months ago I knew the “take-down” phase was gonna get ugly – I stated that here. And, it is ugly, duh. DNC and GOP will try everything, everything to destroy him. But, they can not take down Ivanka…so, problem. She is formidable; excellent mother/excellent business woman…married to a top 1% Jewish guy with yuge Jewish connectedness…and, she also loves her daddy and her mommy who just happened to not be married to each other for a long time (Ivana does not have an axe in her hand) . So, DNC and GOP cuckservatives (Ted has officially left the “building,” like the few, actual, uber-smart guys) must try to take Trump down with frat-talk, pussy talk, what the eff ever.

    Trump and his fratty-fratty-frat talk about conquests was going to come up….duh, again. I knew this was coming. But, it is not going to eff up his campaign…on the contrary, it will once again, enhance his campaign.

    Why: he can go full throttle on Bill having been impeached because he ejaculated all over Monica Lewinsky’s (21 yr old intern) navy blue dress while in the Oval Office. While in the Oval Office, Bill also shoved a cigar into Monica’s vagina. Fun and games and very fratty-fratty frat boy behavior, duh!

    So, Trump saying stupid sh*t on like, Access Hollywood (?) or something, is bad? , when Bill, the POTUS, btw, thinks it is a good idea to shove a cigar up the vag of a 21-year old in the fracking Oval Office!!!!!!!!!!

    Meanwhile, Anthony Weiner (I can’t even :0)))))))!) sending dic pics and sexting with a 15 year old girl (a couple of weeks ago) while married to Hillary’s personal assistant gets a fracking pass??????? While he is cradling Huma and his son in his hard-on lap…ewwwwww! F*ck the DNC and their phoniness, I say. But, I expected this from many people who have fallen under Hillary’s gaslighting of them all. She is a smooth operator. Not one of the secret service people and security people around her like her – this is a fact.

    So, Trump saying stupid shit about sexual conquests is meh, really meh, this late in the game. He was not a politician to begin with. Vanity Fair, for instance, still loves to write article upon article of all of JFK’s p*ssy encounters/riot, and conquests when the poor man (the Christ-like figure for Democrats), has been in his grave since 1963. Jackie is also dead (as are all those Greek billionaires like Onassis’and Niarchos’, so, it ain’t kinda’ fair to bring up the last living women who f*cked JFK somewhere in the building or hotel room, conference table, for a story to malign your Camelot prince.

    If anything, Trump’s bragging about bagging women, will make him very popular with more men, more men who are Latino, Black, WTFever. Everything comes down to sex and money.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Lagertha

    once again, I left out too many brackets, and messed up with too many commas! Not a writer unlike so many of you!

    The people who are supporting him, realize that he is a healthy, virile man who will face danger and opposition from abroad with strength and resolve. Presidents have to be strong to fight sh*t storms. Pugnaciousness may be the ultimate attitude to deal with corrupt dictators and bureaucrats of Europe, M.E., Africa, S. America. And, outside of Europe, being a dominant male is seen as a sign of strength.

    , @Maj. Kong
    @Lagertha

    Clinton wasn't impeached for sexual misconduct, he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    , @iSteveFan
    @Lagertha


    Trump and his fratty-fratty-frat talk about conquests was going to come up….duh, again. I knew this was coming. But, it is not going to eff up his campaign…on the contrary, it will once again, enhance his campaign.
     
    Trump's talk was lame compared to stuff I've heard. Before college I was in the army. Suffice it to say I've heard worse Same thing goes for the athletic teams I was on.

    I am not going to say 100 percent of men have had talks like this. But an awful lot have. Most of it of course is not even true. I remember a coach talking to us freshmen on the football team. Most of us were self-conscious about all the sex talk the seniors were directing at us. The coach told us not to sweat it because the guys that really made it with the gals were probably not the ones talking about it.

    In other words a lot of guys ad lib to impress others. If anything Trump might have been putting on a show for Billy.
  118. @Ed
    Early voting from NC.

    https://twitter.com/nate_cohn/status/784467130439835649

    This race isn't over but Trump needs a good debate Sunday.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    Does anyone have the Yank betting odds please? Trump is currently from $4 to $4.70 in Oz, which is insane given the close polls. I can’t get Yank odds to compare though.

    Definitely want to get some on at 4.7

  119. @candid_observer
    What I find bizarre is Hillary's tweet about Trump's tape:

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/784497331647422464

    Seriously, how does the woman who was married to Bill Clinton, and supported him after all the things he did, presume to say such a thing?

    Does she really think this won't be thrown right back in her face?

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @ATX Hipster, @(((Owen)))

    Seriously, how does the woman who was married to Bill Clinton, and supported him after all the things he did, presume to say such a thing?

    Does she really think this won’t be thrown right back in her face?

    When the press is uniformly on your side, nothing gets thrown back in your face. The only way for Trump to win is on the issues. There’s no amount of her misconduct that could help him because the establishment press will make sure swing voters never ever see it.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @(((Owen)))


    The only way for Trump to win is on the issues.
     
    Which is why everything is being done to prevent the issues from being discussed. Trump could be a freaking choir boy and they would figure out a way to avoid the issues. I do find it rich that the democrats like to brag that they want to discuss the issues. They lecture us that Trump has never detailed his policy ideas. They say he only speaks in sound bytes. Yet during the last debate, and I am sure again on Sunday, they will focus all attention on anything but the issues.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

  120. Jack Hanson says:
    @(((Owen)))
    @Harry Baldwin


    Do you force your family to defend Hillary and her husband to you?
     
    Of course not. The burden of proof is on the affirmative. Hillary has the backing of the establishment of our nation. It's Trump that has to make the case for himself. As long as the election is about nothing but bullshit, She wins. He could have won only by being better on the issues.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    I think it’s cute how you ignore whenever the “issues” are brought up the media, acting in collusion with the Dems, immediately brings up some ridiculous shit that you blame him for being brought up.

    We get it, you were never going to vote Trump and are quite eager to surrender immediately. Sad.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Jack Hanson

    The debates are the top media events of the campaign. Trump can force them to be about anything he wants. But he would have to study and prepare. He'd rather laze around and let Hillary win instead of admitting he has anything to learn from anyone or making the effort to read a briefing book.

  121. @Whiskey
    I promise last add, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:

    The Wikileaks Podesta Letters have a stunning indictment of Germany's Multiculti immigrant disaster.

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have an IQ of a turnip and the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. Things get worse not better and its Class Conflict raised to extermination levels.

    Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Anonymous, @Pat Hannagan, @iSteveFan, @Anonymous Nephew, @eah

    Unfortunately too not from Podesta. I made that mistkae above. But it is a stunning indictment.

  122. @Steve Sailer
    @Whiskey

    Mayer tried to reposition Yahoo as a content generator to pursue the women's media market. That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn't work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women's movies and hire male suits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster, @TangoMan, @res

    That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn’t work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives.

    Abercrombie and Fitch had a legitimate business strategy of going after the White yuppie market and wanting good looking salespeople to be the ambassadors of the brand image. EEOC and the Courts put them under a court ordered personnel policy to insure that they diversified their staffing.

    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    @TangoMan

    EEOC and the courts would never go after a company that fired men to hire women.

    , @Lot
    @TangoMan

    Abercrombie, with its weird gay CEO and his suburban Columbus neverland HQ, to its credit stood up for a local manager against the EEOC when she refused to let a burka wearing Muslim work at the store.

  123. @Opinionator
    @Maj. Kong

    What social norms did Trump violate? It isn't even clear from the tape that he was aware the woman in question was married.

    Meanwhile, there is full consensus that Bill committed adultery.

    Replies: @Ed, @Maj. Kong, @S. anonyia

    Issue here is the news cycle but how many watch news regularly? How many votes will this change?

    A woman that’s for Trump at this point has over looked a lot of stuff already to do so. Why jump off now over 11 years ago?

    I doubt this gets him more votes though.

  124. @(((Owen)))
    @Stephen R. Diamond


    Regardless, I think Trump’s done.
     
    Not because of any decades old tape. Trump always needed to win the debates, especially the first debate, to have a chance.

    Then it turned out he couldn't be bothered to practice, study, train, or prepare to face off against Hillary. She successfully drained the debate of all issues and made it a hate fast of Trump faux-scandals. He had no idea how to proceed or how to face off against her. He utterly failed to control the agenda. And then he continued afterward as if he had won.

    This is the consequence when only a lazy idiot is allowed to stand up for the future of your country. The clever people working to sell you out easily vanquish him at the last stage of the contest.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson, @Stephen R. Diamond, @Eagle Eye

    Could it be that Trump was WARNED OFF challenging the Clinton machine, at the risk of joining Vincent Foster and countless other victims of the Clintons?

  125. @Mr. Blank
    Question: Do our elites really, truly believe this? Or are they forced to speak this way because they have no acceptable vocabulary to articulate alternatives? That is, they know on some level that this is hooey, but they feel they're locked into this track by forces beyond their control and are trusting that some clever group of elites on down the road will solve the dilemma?

    Or are they so malicious that they actively understand what they're doing and just assume they'll never have to face the consequences?

    I tend to assume it's got to be one of the first two options, but a few more years and I might switch to option three.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @FX Enderby, @Anon, @Harold

    Australia has a population of 23 million people enjoying 1st world wages, labor & environmental rules, etc. It is surrounded by a population of 2 or 3 billion mostly struggling in squalor for near starvation wages.

    Open borders and free trade would obviously be the key to increased prosperity. It is the Ultimate Wisdom of great thinkers like Bill Clinton. You just gotta believe!

  126. @TangoMan
    @Steve Sailer

    That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn’t work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives.

    Abercrombie and Fitch had a legitimate business strategy of going after the White yuppie market and wanting good looking salespeople to be the ambassadors of the brand image. EEOC and the Courts put them under a court ordered personnel policy to insure that they diversified their staffing.

    Replies: @FX Enderby, @Lot

    EEOC and the courts would never go after a company that fired men to hire women.

  127. @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan


    So why release it today?
     
    Next Tuesday, is Yom Kippur...so, maybe the Dems don't want Ivanka's beautiful family pics (after Rosh Hoshanah last Monday) to be displayed. Or anymore pics of that gorgeous Trump brood. They are out-breeding the anemic and sickly looking Clintons for God's sake!

    I mean, 6 months ago I knew the "take-down" phase was gonna get ugly - I stated that here. And, it is ugly, duh. DNC and GOP will try everything, everything to destroy him. But, they can not take down Ivanka...so, problem. She is formidable; excellent mother/excellent business woman...married to a top 1% Jewish guy with yuge Jewish connectedness...and, she also loves her daddy and her mommy who just happened to not be married to each other for a long time (Ivana does not have an axe in her hand) . So, DNC and GOP cuckservatives (Ted has officially left the "building," like the few, actual, uber-smart guys) must try to take Trump down with frat-talk, pussy talk, what the eff ever.

    Trump and his fratty-fratty-frat talk about conquests was going to come up....duh, again. I knew this was coming. But, it is not going to eff up his campaign...on the contrary, it will once again, enhance his campaign.

    Why: he can go full throttle on Bill having been impeached because he ejaculated all over Monica Lewinsky's (21 yr old intern) navy blue dress while in the Oval Office. While in the Oval Office, Bill also shoved a cigar into Monica's vagina. Fun and games and very fratty-fratty frat boy behavior, duh!

    So, Trump saying stupid sh*t on like, Access Hollywood (?) or something, is bad? , when Bill, the POTUS, btw, thinks it is a good idea to shove a cigar up the vag of a 21-year old in the fracking Oval Office!!!!!!!!!!

    Meanwhile, Anthony Weiner (I can't even :0)))))))!) sending dic pics and sexting with a 15 year old girl (a couple of weeks ago) while married to Hillary's personal assistant gets a fracking pass??????? While he is cradling Huma and his son in his hard-on lap...ewwwwww! F*ck the DNC and their phoniness, I say. But, I expected this from many people who have fallen under Hillary's gaslighting of them all. She is a smooth operator. Not one of the secret service people and security people around her like her - this is a fact.

    So, Trump saying stupid shit about sexual conquests is meh, really meh, this late in the game. He was not a politician to begin with. Vanity Fair, for instance, still loves to write article upon article of all of JFK's p*ssy encounters/riot, and conquests when the poor man (the Christ-like figure for Democrats), has been in his grave since 1963. Jackie is also dead (as are all those Greek billionaires like Onassis'and Niarchos', so, it ain't kinda' fair to bring up the last living women who f*cked JFK somewhere in the building or hotel room, conference table, for a story to malign your Camelot prince.

    If anything, Trump's bragging about bagging women, will make him very popular with more men, more men who are Latino, Black, WTFever. Everything comes down to sex and money.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Maj. Kong, @iSteveFan

    once again, I left out too many brackets, and messed up with too many commas! Not a writer unlike so many of you!

    The people who are supporting him, realize that he is a healthy, virile man who will face danger and opposition from abroad with strength and resolve. Presidents have to be strong to fight sh*t storms. Pugnaciousness may be the ultimate attitude to deal with corrupt dictators and bureaucrats of Europe, M.E., Africa, S. America. And, outside of Europe, being a dominant male is seen as a sign of strength.

  128. @Opinionator
    @Maj. Kong

    What social norms did Trump violate? It isn't even clear from the tape that he was aware the woman in question was married.

    Meanwhile, there is full consensus that Bill committed adultery.

    Replies: @Ed, @Maj. Kong, @S. anonyia

    The entire Trump campaign has been a rebellion against our system of social norms known as Political Correctness or Cultural Marxism.

    Donald Trump is not a man invested in the concept of “manners”, chivalry, noblisse oblige, deference to ones superiors. Right now, we do need someone who isn’t concerned about being liked, but in ordinary times these are bad qualities. An unknown, but far too large, number of voters still think we are living under an ordinary system rather than the deluge of Raspail.

  129. iSteveFan says:
    @(((Owen)))
    @candid_observer


    Seriously, how does the woman who was married to Bill Clinton, and supported him after all the things he did, presume to say such a thing?

    Does she really think this won’t be thrown right back in her face?

     

    When the press is uniformly on your side, nothing gets thrown back in your face. The only way for Trump to win is on the issues. There's no amount of her misconduct that could help him because the establishment press will make sure swing voters never ever see it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    The only way for Trump to win is on the issues.

    Which is why everything is being done to prevent the issues from being discussed. Trump could be a freaking choir boy and they would figure out a way to avoid the issues. I do find it rich that the democrats like to brag that they want to discuss the issues. They lecture us that Trump has never detailed his policy ideas. They say he only speaks in sound bytes. Yet during the last debate, and I am sure again on Sunday, they will focus all attention on anything but the issues.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @iSteveFan

    If Trump would bother to prepare, he could force the debates to be about issues. When the moderators try to kill discussion of anything but bull—, you just ignore the question and force the subject back to issues. Ask questions directly to Hillary and she'll be exposed for evasion if she doesn't answer.

    But that would require work and study. Trump thinks this is just an extended vacation and obviously wants it to be over on the second Tuesday in November.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Moshe

  130. @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan


    So why release it today?
     
    Next Tuesday, is Yom Kippur...so, maybe the Dems don't want Ivanka's beautiful family pics (after Rosh Hoshanah last Monday) to be displayed. Or anymore pics of that gorgeous Trump brood. They are out-breeding the anemic and sickly looking Clintons for God's sake!

    I mean, 6 months ago I knew the "take-down" phase was gonna get ugly - I stated that here. And, it is ugly, duh. DNC and GOP will try everything, everything to destroy him. But, they can not take down Ivanka...so, problem. She is formidable; excellent mother/excellent business woman...married to a top 1% Jewish guy with yuge Jewish connectedness...and, she also loves her daddy and her mommy who just happened to not be married to each other for a long time (Ivana does not have an axe in her hand) . So, DNC and GOP cuckservatives (Ted has officially left the "building," like the few, actual, uber-smart guys) must try to take Trump down with frat-talk, pussy talk, what the eff ever.

    Trump and his fratty-fratty-frat talk about conquests was going to come up....duh, again. I knew this was coming. But, it is not going to eff up his campaign...on the contrary, it will once again, enhance his campaign.

    Why: he can go full throttle on Bill having been impeached because he ejaculated all over Monica Lewinsky's (21 yr old intern) navy blue dress while in the Oval Office. While in the Oval Office, Bill also shoved a cigar into Monica's vagina. Fun and games and very fratty-fratty frat boy behavior, duh!

    So, Trump saying stupid sh*t on like, Access Hollywood (?) or something, is bad? , when Bill, the POTUS, btw, thinks it is a good idea to shove a cigar up the vag of a 21-year old in the fracking Oval Office!!!!!!!!!!

    Meanwhile, Anthony Weiner (I can't even :0)))))))!) sending dic pics and sexting with a 15 year old girl (a couple of weeks ago) while married to Hillary's personal assistant gets a fracking pass??????? While he is cradling Huma and his son in his hard-on lap...ewwwwww! F*ck the DNC and their phoniness, I say. But, I expected this from many people who have fallen under Hillary's gaslighting of them all. She is a smooth operator. Not one of the secret service people and security people around her like her - this is a fact.

    So, Trump saying stupid shit about sexual conquests is meh, really meh, this late in the game. He was not a politician to begin with. Vanity Fair, for instance, still loves to write article upon article of all of JFK's p*ssy encounters/riot, and conquests when the poor man (the Christ-like figure for Democrats), has been in his grave since 1963. Jackie is also dead (as are all those Greek billionaires like Onassis'and Niarchos', so, it ain't kinda' fair to bring up the last living women who f*cked JFK somewhere in the building or hotel room, conference table, for a story to malign your Camelot prince.

    If anything, Trump's bragging about bagging women, will make him very popular with more men, more men who are Latino, Black, WTFever. Everything comes down to sex and money.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Maj. Kong, @iSteveFan

    Clinton wasn’t impeached for sexual misconduct, he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Maj. Kong

    yeah, know that: the perjury and obstruction was over the sexual misconduct....defining the meaning of "is," and all. I remember...it was so strange when that navy Gap dress came into play as evidence. blech! But, the Oval Office was defiled by Bill. He's such a world-class creep, and, the fact that she stayed with him showed her true colors. I just don't want these too sickly-looking grifters anywhere near DC ever again. Why can't they just...

  131. iSteveFan says:
    @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan


    So why release it today?
     
    Next Tuesday, is Yom Kippur...so, maybe the Dems don't want Ivanka's beautiful family pics (after Rosh Hoshanah last Monday) to be displayed. Or anymore pics of that gorgeous Trump brood. They are out-breeding the anemic and sickly looking Clintons for God's sake!

    I mean, 6 months ago I knew the "take-down" phase was gonna get ugly - I stated that here. And, it is ugly, duh. DNC and GOP will try everything, everything to destroy him. But, they can not take down Ivanka...so, problem. She is formidable; excellent mother/excellent business woman...married to a top 1% Jewish guy with yuge Jewish connectedness...and, she also loves her daddy and her mommy who just happened to not be married to each other for a long time (Ivana does not have an axe in her hand) . So, DNC and GOP cuckservatives (Ted has officially left the "building," like the few, actual, uber-smart guys) must try to take Trump down with frat-talk, pussy talk, what the eff ever.

    Trump and his fratty-fratty-frat talk about conquests was going to come up....duh, again. I knew this was coming. But, it is not going to eff up his campaign...on the contrary, it will once again, enhance his campaign.

    Why: he can go full throttle on Bill having been impeached because he ejaculated all over Monica Lewinsky's (21 yr old intern) navy blue dress while in the Oval Office. While in the Oval Office, Bill also shoved a cigar into Monica's vagina. Fun and games and very fratty-fratty frat boy behavior, duh!

    So, Trump saying stupid sh*t on like, Access Hollywood (?) or something, is bad? , when Bill, the POTUS, btw, thinks it is a good idea to shove a cigar up the vag of a 21-year old in the fracking Oval Office!!!!!!!!!!

    Meanwhile, Anthony Weiner (I can't even :0)))))))!) sending dic pics and sexting with a 15 year old girl (a couple of weeks ago) while married to Hillary's personal assistant gets a fracking pass??????? While he is cradling Huma and his son in his hard-on lap...ewwwwww! F*ck the DNC and their phoniness, I say. But, I expected this from many people who have fallen under Hillary's gaslighting of them all. She is a smooth operator. Not one of the secret service people and security people around her like her - this is a fact.

    So, Trump saying stupid shit about sexual conquests is meh, really meh, this late in the game. He was not a politician to begin with. Vanity Fair, for instance, still loves to write article upon article of all of JFK's p*ssy encounters/riot, and conquests when the poor man (the Christ-like figure for Democrats), has been in his grave since 1963. Jackie is also dead (as are all those Greek billionaires like Onassis'and Niarchos', so, it ain't kinda' fair to bring up the last living women who f*cked JFK somewhere in the building or hotel room, conference table, for a story to malign your Camelot prince.

    If anything, Trump's bragging about bagging women, will make him very popular with more men, more men who are Latino, Black, WTFever. Everything comes down to sex and money.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Maj. Kong, @iSteveFan

    Trump and his fratty-fratty-frat talk about conquests was going to come up….duh, again. I knew this was coming. But, it is not going to eff up his campaign…on the contrary, it will once again, enhance his campaign.

    Trump’s talk was lame compared to stuff I’ve heard. Before college I was in the army. Suffice it to say I’ve heard worse Same thing goes for the athletic teams I was on.

    I am not going to say 100 percent of men have had talks like this. But an awful lot have. Most of it of course is not even true. I remember a coach talking to us freshmen on the football team. Most of us were self-conscious about all the sex talk the seniors were directing at us. The coach told us not to sweat it because the guys that really made it with the gals were probably not the ones talking about it.

    In other words a lot of guys ad lib to impress others. If anything Trump might have been putting on a show for Billy.

  132. @Whiskey
    I promise last add, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:

    The Wikileaks Podesta Letters have a stunning indictment of Germany's Multiculti immigrant disaster.

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have an IQ of a turnip and the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. Things get worse not better and its Class Conflict raised to extermination levels.

    Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Anonymous, @Pat Hannagan, @iSteveFan, @Anonymous Nephew, @eah

  133. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It needs to be pointed out that Northeastern today is much harder to get into now.

    The test scores to get in there are quite high and impressive compared to most universities nationally.

    “Seventh tier” is a little misleading, and that is just a local comparison in one of the prominent areas of higher education anywhere, and there are other less competitive schools in that city. Its students who study the right things have good job placement.

    You are right about how international students pay much higher tuition that is good for their finances.

    It’s a school that has gotten much more competitive and has a student profile to match.

  134. @Jack Hanson
    @(((Owen)))

    I think it's cute how you ignore whenever the "issues" are brought up the media, acting in collusion with the Dems, immediately brings up some ridiculous shit that you blame him for being brought up.

    We get it, you were never going to vote Trump and are quite eager to surrender immediately. Sad.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    The debates are the top media events of the campaign. Trump can force them to be about anything he wants. But he would have to study and prepare. He’d rather laze around and let Hillary win instead of admitting he has anything to learn from anyone or making the effort to read a briefing book.

  135. @Berty
    @Alfa158

    It certainly has caused Trump's unwilling "allies" in the GOP to jump ship pretty quickly. If they do somehow boot him from the ticket he should simply urge his voters to stay home. There's no reason Kelly Ayotte or McCain should be rewarded for yet another stab in the back.

    Replies: @Maj. Kong, @rod1963

    Trump didn’t have much in the way of allies in D.C. except for a handful of people. Most of the GOP is on the take just like the Democrats are. In fact most of them hate Trump and won’t hesitate to shank him if given the chance.

    Really, they hate him since he stands for everything they support. Open borders, globalism, job destroying free trade pacts.

    In regards to McCain, the people of AZ are terminally stupid. The vile old goat is 80 years old and will not survive if elected back to the senate. He will die there. He’s already outlived his father by a decade, so he’s really pushing it.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @rod1963


    In regards to McCain, the people of AZ are terminally stupid. The vile old goat is 80 years old and will not survive if elected back to the senate.
     
    John McCain's mom is 104.
    , @Former Darfur
    @rod1963

    As much as I detest McCain, I don't know that from a pure pork-raising standpoint there is any downside to re-electing a really senior Senator whether or not he is likely to croak in office. And pork is what seniority means. If he croaks a year in, that's one more fiscal year you get out of him before the junior Senator moves up and a new Senator is elected. Until the newb is in two terms he or she will raise little pork.

    , @Jack Hanson
    @rod1963

    Yeah, McCain's win was basically old people + the cucked Mormon establishment lining up behind him.

  136. iSteveFan says:
    @(((Owen)))
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Please identify a country to which you will be happy to emigrate.
     
    Well, winter is coming and Mexico is warm. They keep promising Mexico is coming us, but it's never warm and sunny in January.

    I'm sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he's not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @iSteveFan

    I’m sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he’s not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?

    I have an easy suggestion: don’t defend Trump. Instead defend the political positions you support.

    For example, I do not support open borders, free trade, obamacare, unnecessary intervention and interpreting the 2nd amendment as a group right. Therefore, I absolutely could not vote for Hillary. Even if Hillary were Mother Teresa, why would I vote for someone who promises to do the complete opposite of what I want?

    If you really have a strong conviction in the political policies often discussed on this blog, and that have resonated with so many nationwide, why would Trump’s character invalidate those political positions? And why would his character make you want to support the person who is on the other side?

    It would be one thing if you had two candidates who ran on the same platform. Then I could see choosing the one with better character. But at this stage we have no choice. Neither the Libertarians nor especially the Greens are a viable alternative. And voting for Hillary would be akin to suicide for those who believe in the issues we do.

    So at this point, if you are an issues guy and not a personality guy, you are forced to back Trump simply because he is the only one who gives people with our views a chance.

    Using this line of reasoning will at least let people know you have thought about the issues and have taken a stand on them. All people could do is disagree on the issues with you. Then you can explain the issues and see if you can change their minds. Defending Trump is tough. But defending our issues to millions of ordinary Americans is not. After all our issues are such a threat the MSM does everything they can to prevent their discussion, lest the Hoi Polloi wake up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    The average SAT score today for NU is very high.

    "Seventh tier" is only based on the region that it is in because some of the top schools anywhere are nearby, but it's much more competitive overall than your article would suggest overall.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @(((Owen)))
    @iSteveFan

    My family and I do support free trade, Obamacare, a woman's right to choose, a clean and healthy environment for our grandchildren, medicare, balanced budgets, and lots of other Clinton issues. But we also want to have a country here for our posterity to inherit.

    To overcome that, Trump must prove that he can deliver on his key issues. He must show us that his judgement on war and peace is rational and Hillary's is lunatic. Hillary claims to want peace in the world, also, and she won't be exposed on the issue unless Trump brings up the facts at debate. It is not enough to be right about a few issues when most voters have a mix of opinions. He must explain why the issues he is right on are the important ones and that he has the character to make the right compromises and the savvy to negotiate on our behalf.

    And he passed up his chance in the debate so that we could hear blithering about when and why he flip flopped on this or that and how much he doesn't like Hillary and Rosie. All because studying and practicing would have required him to listen to experts and pay attention; Trump is obviously above such petty concerns.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @International Jew

  137. Anonymous [AKA "Uribe"] says: • Website

    Longtime iSteve reader. A fan. Nevertheless, I hate Trump and will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Trump is a retarded, backwards asshole.

    I voted for Romney. Where is another Romney?

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Anonymous

    So does that mean you are for:

    A) Open borders
    B) NAFTA-like free trade agreements
    C) obamacare
    D) More military excursions including potentially baiting Russia
    E) Eroding the 2nd Amendment rights?

    , @Maj. Kong
    @Anonymous

    When I see the words "backwards", that's an immediate sign of the CultMarx "Current Year" trope. How can you possibly be reading Steve regularly, but fundamentally have the Ezra Klein perspective. Are you one of the interns sent to poach ideas?

    Romney was ripped to shreds by the hostile media and his grifting staff. The reason is simple: the permanent establishment hates the historic demography of this country. Those they hate form the base of the Republican Party.

    By signaling a vote for the Regime, you are voting for the dissolution of borders and the merging of this country into the Third World sewer to the south of us.

    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    @Anonymous

    "I hate Trump and will hold my nose and vote for Hillary."
    I bet you keep your balls in your purse.

    , @Venator
    @Anonymous

    Men vote for issues, not for persons. Women do the opposite.

  138. Important Coulter article about the “Central Park Five” rapists the De Blasio is claiming are innocent and the NYTimes is reporting as true.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-04-23.html

  139. @iSteveFan
    @(((Owen)))


    I’m sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he’s not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?
     
    I have an easy suggestion: don't defend Trump. Instead defend the political positions you support.

    For example, I do not support open borders, free trade, obamacare, unnecessary intervention and interpreting the 2nd amendment as a group right. Therefore, I absolutely could not vote for Hillary. Even if Hillary were Mother Teresa, why would I vote for someone who promises to do the complete opposite of what I want?

    If you really have a strong conviction in the political policies often discussed on this blog, and that have resonated with so many nationwide, why would Trump's character invalidate those political positions? And why would his character make you want to support the person who is on the other side?

    It would be one thing if you had two candidates who ran on the same platform. Then I could see choosing the one with better character. But at this stage we have no choice. Neither the Libertarians nor especially the Greens are a viable alternative. And voting for Hillary would be akin to suicide for those who believe in the issues we do.

    So at this point, if you are an issues guy and not a personality guy, you are forced to back Trump simply because he is the only one who gives people with our views a chance.

    Using this line of reasoning will at least let people know you have thought about the issues and have taken a stand on them. All people could do is disagree on the issues with you. Then you can explain the issues and see if you can change their minds. Defending Trump is tough. But defending our issues to millions of ordinary Americans is not. After all our issues are such a threat the MSM does everything they can to prevent their discussion, lest the Hoi Polloi wake up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @(((Owen)))

    The average SAT score today for NU is very high.

    “Seventh tier” is only based on the region that it is in because some of the top schools anywhere are nearby, but it’s much more competitive overall than your article would suggest overall.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    This post was not meant to be in reply to any particular person.

  140. @Whiskey
    I promise last add, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:

    The Wikileaks Podesta Letters have a stunning indictment of Germany's Multiculti immigrant disaster.

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have an IQ of a turnip and the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. Things get worse not better and its Class Conflict raised to extermination levels.

    Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Anonymous, @Pat Hannagan, @iSteveFan, @Anonymous Nephew, @eah

    That’s an astounding assessment of the situation. Thanks. Will share.

  141. @iSteveFan
    @(((Owen)))


    The only way for Trump to win is on the issues.
     
    Which is why everything is being done to prevent the issues from being discussed. Trump could be a freaking choir boy and they would figure out a way to avoid the issues. I do find it rich that the democrats like to brag that they want to discuss the issues. They lecture us that Trump has never detailed his policy ideas. They say he only speaks in sound bytes. Yet during the last debate, and I am sure again on Sunday, they will focus all attention on anything but the issues.

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    If Trump would bother to prepare, he could force the debates to be about issues. When the moderators try to kill discussion of anything but bull—, you just ignore the question and force the subject back to issues. Ask questions directly to Hillary and she’ll be exposed for evasion if she doesn’t answer.

    But that would require work and study. Trump thinks this is just an extended vacation and obviously wants it to be over on the second Tuesday in November.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @(((Owen)))

    Trump really likes talking about Trump.

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Jack Hanson

    , @Moshe
    @(((Owen)))

    You need to stop whining. You sound like a pathetically religious woman on her period. I don't care WHAT you're talking about, your tone is irredeemable.

    As for Trump - whatever dude. I'm not dumb enough to vote but if I were, I would vote for Trump if for no other reason than that I don't want to hear or see Hillary Clinton for the next 4 to 8.

  142. @TangoMan
    @Steve Sailer

    That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn’t work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives.

    Abercrombie and Fitch had a legitimate business strategy of going after the White yuppie market and wanting good looking salespeople to be the ambassadors of the brand image. EEOC and the Courts put them under a court ordered personnel policy to insure that they diversified their staffing.

    Replies: @FX Enderby, @Lot

    Abercrombie, with its weird gay CEO and his suburban Columbus neverland HQ, to its credit stood up for a local manager against the EEOC when she refused to let a burka wearing Muslim work at the store.

  143. @rod1963
    @Berty

    Trump didn't have much in the way of allies in D.C. except for a handful of people. Most of the GOP is on the take just like the Democrats are. In fact most of them hate Trump and won't hesitate to shank him if given the chance.

    Really, they hate him since he stands for everything they support. Open borders, globalism, job destroying free trade pacts.

    In regards to McCain, the people of AZ are terminally stupid. The vile old goat is 80 years old and will not survive if elected back to the senate. He will die there. He's already outlived his father by a decade, so he's really pushing it.

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Former Darfur, @Jack Hanson

    In regards to McCain, the people of AZ are terminally stupid. The vile old goat is 80 years old and will not survive if elected back to the senate.

    John McCain’s mom is 104.

  144. @Anonymous
    @iSteveFan

    The average SAT score today for NU is very high.

    "Seventh tier" is only based on the region that it is in because some of the top schools anywhere are nearby, but it's much more competitive overall than your article would suggest overall.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    This post was not meant to be in reply to any particular person.

  145. @(((Owen)))
    @iSteveFan

    If Trump would bother to prepare, he could force the debates to be about issues. When the moderators try to kill discussion of anything but bull—, you just ignore the question and force the subject back to issues. Ask questions directly to Hillary and she'll be exposed for evasion if she doesn't answer.

    But that would require work and study. Trump thinks this is just an extended vacation and obviously wants it to be over on the second Tuesday in November.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Moshe

    Trump really likes talking about Trump.

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @Steve Sailer


    Trump really likes talking about Trump.
     
    Yes, he does.

    The discipline to be president involves doing what needs to be done, not just whatever you feel like doing.
    , @Jack Hanson
    @Steve Sailer

    Versus Romney, who liked talking about tax cuts for the ultra wealthy.

  146. @iSteveFan
    @(((Owen)))


    I’m sick and tired of trying to defend Trump to my family and then having him embarrass me because he’s not even trying. What the heck was he doing at that debate?
     
    I have an easy suggestion: don't defend Trump. Instead defend the political positions you support.

    For example, I do not support open borders, free trade, obamacare, unnecessary intervention and interpreting the 2nd amendment as a group right. Therefore, I absolutely could not vote for Hillary. Even if Hillary were Mother Teresa, why would I vote for someone who promises to do the complete opposite of what I want?

    If you really have a strong conviction in the political policies often discussed on this blog, and that have resonated with so many nationwide, why would Trump's character invalidate those political positions? And why would his character make you want to support the person who is on the other side?

    It would be one thing if you had two candidates who ran on the same platform. Then I could see choosing the one with better character. But at this stage we have no choice. Neither the Libertarians nor especially the Greens are a viable alternative. And voting for Hillary would be akin to suicide for those who believe in the issues we do.

    So at this point, if you are an issues guy and not a personality guy, you are forced to back Trump simply because he is the only one who gives people with our views a chance.

    Using this line of reasoning will at least let people know you have thought about the issues and have taken a stand on them. All people could do is disagree on the issues with you. Then you can explain the issues and see if you can change their minds. Defending Trump is tough. But defending our issues to millions of ordinary Americans is not. After all our issues are such a threat the MSM does everything they can to prevent their discussion, lest the Hoi Polloi wake up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @(((Owen)))

    My family and I do support free trade, Obamacare, a woman’s right to choose, a clean and healthy environment for our grandchildren, medicare, balanced budgets, and lots of other Clinton issues. But we also want to have a country here for our posterity to inherit.

    To overcome that, Trump must prove that he can deliver on his key issues. He must show us that his judgement on war and peace is rational and Hillary’s is lunatic. Hillary claims to want peace in the world, also, and she won’t be exposed on the issue unless Trump brings up the facts at debate. It is not enough to be right about a few issues when most voters have a mix of opinions. He must explain why the issues he is right on are the important ones and that he has the character to make the right compromises and the savvy to negotiate on our behalf.

    And he passed up his chance in the debate so that we could hear blithering about when and why he flip flopped on this or that and how much he doesn’t like Hillary and Rosie. All because studying and practicing would have required him to listen to experts and pay attention; Trump is obviously above such petty concerns.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @(((Owen)))

    A lot of the issues you listed would put you in Hillary's camp. Or you could vote Jill Stein. But this issue caught my eye.



    But we also want to have a country here for our posterity to inherit.
     
    You need to figure out if this issue is the most important. In your list, I'd would rank it at the top. And if that is the case, your posterity is going to inherit a nation that will continue to rapidly increase its population with more and more diverse cultures. To me this seems bad because it will lead to diminished resources and increased social turmoil. Don't believe me? Read the wikileaks that Whiskey linked to above that describes what is happening to native Germans under siege in their own nation from the muslim immigrant hordes.

    But you have to rank your own list. If you do support free trade like NAFTA and TPP, then Hillary or Johnson is your guy.

    If you are happy with obamacare, then Hillary or Jill are your gals.

    As far as judgment on war and peace, Trump is an unknown while Hillary has a record. She voted to invade Iraq. She engineered the Gadaffi overthrow that led to the chaos that is Libya. She was on board for overthrowing Assad that has led to the chaos that is Syria, which has led to refugee crisis flooding Europe.

    Also recall her inaction for 13 hours when the ambassador was killed and the contractors trying to protect him were killed. I could see an initial attack taking one by surprise. But what was she doing for 13 hours when early on they knew the ambassador was killed and others were pleading for help? Why did she not make a command decision?

    So though Trump is an unknown on this issue, do you really think Hillary's past performance justifies her promotion to be commander in chief? I don't.

    And don't forget about which candidate is itching for a showdown with Russia, and which candidate is supported by the neocons. That alone should disqualify her on foreign policy grounds.

    Trump's not a politician so he is never going to meet your expectations as a campaigner. He cut his teeth in NY real estate, so I am sure he is not wired like regular politicos.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @International Jew
    @(((Owen)))

    If those ((())) around your handle mean what they usually mean, then I'll recommend to you my approach to advocating Trump with my family: I tell them that we need to put the brakes on Arab immigration, or our lives will become a hell, like the French and Belgian Jews'.

  147. @Steve Sailer
    @(((Owen)))

    Trump really likes talking about Trump.

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Jack Hanson

    Trump really likes talking about Trump.

    Yes, he does.

    The discipline to be president involves doing what needs to be done, not just whatever you feel like doing.

  148. The elite are still making these recommendations even after Robert Putnam’s showing that diversity almost completely obliterates social capital.

  149. @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    College buddy of mine was a Senate page. He said Kaine was a regular at the Senate gym. He saw him in the locker room a few times and said that he's hung like a horse.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @5371, @Former Darfur

    It occurs to me that he may have consorted with Kaine elsewhere than in the Senate gym …

  150. Moshe says:
    @(((Owen)))
    @iSteveFan

    If Trump would bother to prepare, he could force the debates to be about issues. When the moderators try to kill discussion of anything but bull—, you just ignore the question and force the subject back to issues. Ask questions directly to Hillary and she'll be exposed for evasion if she doesn't answer.

    But that would require work and study. Trump thinks this is just an extended vacation and obviously wants it to be over on the second Tuesday in November.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Moshe

    You need to stop whining. You sound like a pathetically religious woman on her period. I don’t care WHAT you’re talking about, your tone is irredeemable.

    As for Trump – whatever dude. I’m not dumb enough to vote but if I were, I would vote for Trump if for no other reason than that I don’t want to hear or see Hillary Clinton for the next 4 to 8.

    • Agree: Jack Hanson
  151. @Anonymous
    Longtime iSteve reader. A fan. Nevertheless, I hate Trump and will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Trump is a retarded, backwards asshole.

    I voted for Romney. Where is another Romney?

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Maj. Kong, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Venator

    So does that mean you are for:

    A) Open borders
    B) NAFTA-like free trade agreements
    C) obamacare
    D) More military excursions including potentially baiting Russia
    E) Eroding the 2nd Amendment rights?

  152. $225,000

    HRC must be a really great speaker — good questions for her at the next debate would be ‘What makes a speech by you worth $225k?’, or ‘Why do you want to be President when you can make more money by giving two speeches than you would as President in a whole year?’

    hubris, greed

    • Replies: @res
    @eah

    Awesome "fact check" in that article (and this is the complete NYP paragraph, i.e. not out of context):


    “A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still d–kng bimbos at home (according to the NYP),” reads the explosive e-mail obtained by the Web site DCLeaks. Hillary is actually 68.
     
    Parody fact checks could be a fun humor genre for this election, but I don't recall seeing many. Does anyone have any pointers?
  153. iSteveFan says:
    @Whiskey
    I promise last add, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:

    The Wikileaks Podesta Letters have a stunning indictment of Germany's Multiculti immigrant disaster.

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have an IQ of a turnip and the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. Things get worse not better and its Class Conflict raised to extermination levels.

    Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Anonymous, @Pat Hannagan, @iSteveFan, @Anonymous Nephew, @eah

    Thanks Whiskey. That is definitely huuge. I don’t care what the media tries to do over the next few days and at the debate, but Trump must discuss this particular email. The dems basically acknowledge the problems of the muslim immigrants and their anti-white hatred. They acknowledge the White Germans are having to leave their neighborhoods for fear of their lives. Remember when Trump was ridiculed for mentioning no-go areas where muslims immigrate? Well they acknowledge that too.

    YET, YET, YET they still are on board with bringing tens of thousands of muslims into the US.

    Trump could and should go to town with this. Every American needs to know that the ruling elite are well aware of the damage being done in Germany by these immigrants, but still they want to bring them to the US.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @iSteveFan

    I don't see any evidence that the smart email about immigration was from a Democratic staffer rather than an email to Democratic insider John Podesta from some stranger.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Anonymous

  154. @Anonymous
    @(((Owen)))

    College buddy of mine was a Senate page. He said Kaine was a regular at the Senate gym. He saw him in the locker room a few times and said that he's hung like a horse.

    Replies: @candid_observer, @5371, @Former Darfur

    One, how do we know this is true and two, if it is, what has that got to do with his desirability as a leader?

    Sean Penn is bejingled and he’s a communist piece of shit. Ron Jeremy, are you going to elect him? Maybe you would prefer Tim Robbins.

    Like musical talent, there is no positive correlation between penis size and inclination toward sane and responsible government, and very likely a negative one.

  155. @iSteveFan
    @Whiskey

    Thanks Whiskey. That is definitely huuge. I don't care what the media tries to do over the next few days and at the debate, but Trump must discuss this particular email. The dems basically acknowledge the problems of the muslim immigrants and their anti-white hatred. They acknowledge the White Germans are having to leave their neighborhoods for fear of their lives. Remember when Trump was ridiculed for mentioning no-go areas where muslims immigrate? Well they acknowledge that too.

    YET, YET, YET they still are on board with bringing tens of thousands of muslims into the US.

    Trump could and should go to town with this. Every American needs to know that the ruling elite are well aware of the damage being done in Germany by these immigrants, but still they want to bring them to the US.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I don’t see any evidence that the smart email about immigration was from a Democratic staffer rather than an email to Democratic insider John Podesta from some stranger.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Steve Sailer

    You are probably correct. I just looked it over quickly. But even so you'd think Podesta would at least be aware of what was happening, and would have contacted his superiors.

    I mean if your superiors are embarking on a Merkle like policy and you just got word that all is not well, wouldn't it be your duty to inform the bosses?

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, I don't either. It's a random, nondescript email address, and there aren't any personal details or any suggestion of personal familiarity with Podesta. It's a really long screed for an email. It looks like spam or something to be honest.

  156. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    John Lennon was a decent enough bloke – he wrote some pretty tunes and had a knack for giving out good, pithy quotes, my favorite is ‘Elvis died when he joined the army’, but in saying all that, it’s best to think of John Lennon is a glorified comedian, a joker, a mocker, a ‘jack-the-lad’, who got lucky, rather than as a great philosopher.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Technically, I think Elvis did not join but was rather drafted. However, obviously it was set up between Elvis' management and the Army. Elvis was not, as most even minor entertainers were, put in Special Services or some type of unit where his skills could be utilized, but was tracked into a lowest-common-denominator infantry path-that was what The Col. (who was as we know now not only not a real colonel but an illegal immigrant) thought best for Elvis' image.

    Of course the intense public interest in Private Presley made him no asset to combat arms, and the Army would have been far better to utilize him as a reserve NCO stateside in recruiting and morale operations.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  157. Keith Vaz [AKA "Sir Charles Pipkins"] says:
    @Paul Yarbles
    An American presidential candidate who wishes for the destruction of the United States is currently in the lead. How weird.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @Keith Vaz

    Thanks female suffrage!

  158. iSteveFan says:
    @(((Owen)))
    @iSteveFan

    My family and I do support free trade, Obamacare, a woman's right to choose, a clean and healthy environment for our grandchildren, medicare, balanced budgets, and lots of other Clinton issues. But we also want to have a country here for our posterity to inherit.

    To overcome that, Trump must prove that he can deliver on his key issues. He must show us that his judgement on war and peace is rational and Hillary's is lunatic. Hillary claims to want peace in the world, also, and she won't be exposed on the issue unless Trump brings up the facts at debate. It is not enough to be right about a few issues when most voters have a mix of opinions. He must explain why the issues he is right on are the important ones and that he has the character to make the right compromises and the savvy to negotiate on our behalf.

    And he passed up his chance in the debate so that we could hear blithering about when and why he flip flopped on this or that and how much he doesn't like Hillary and Rosie. All because studying and practicing would have required him to listen to experts and pay attention; Trump is obviously above such petty concerns.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @International Jew

    A lot of the issues you listed would put you in Hillary’s camp. Or you could vote Jill Stein. But this issue caught my eye.

    But we also want to have a country here for our posterity to inherit.

    You need to figure out if this issue is the most important. In your list, I’d would rank it at the top. And if that is the case, your posterity is going to inherit a nation that will continue to rapidly increase its population with more and more diverse cultures. To me this seems bad because it will lead to diminished resources and increased social turmoil. Don’t believe me? Read the wikileaks that Whiskey linked to above that describes what is happening to native Germans under siege in their own nation from the muslim immigrant hordes.

    But you have to rank your own list. If you do support free trade like NAFTA and TPP, then Hillary or Johnson is your guy.

    If you are happy with obamacare, then Hillary or Jill are your gals.

    As far as judgment on war and peace, Trump is an unknown while Hillary has a record. She voted to invade Iraq. She engineered the Gadaffi overthrow that led to the chaos that is Libya. She was on board for overthrowing Assad that has led to the chaos that is Syria, which has led to refugee crisis flooding Europe.

    Also recall her inaction for 13 hours when the ambassador was killed and the contractors trying to protect him were killed. I could see an initial attack taking one by surprise. But what was she doing for 13 hours when early on they knew the ambassador was killed and others were pleading for help? Why did she not make a command decision?

    So though Trump is an unknown on this issue, do you really think Hillary’s past performance justifies her promotion to be commander in chief? I don’t.

    And don’t forget about which candidate is itching for a showdown with Russia, and which candidate is supported by the neocons. That alone should disqualify her on foreign policy grounds.

    Trump’s not a politician so he is never going to meet your expectations as a campaigner. He cut his teeth in NY real estate, so I am sure he is not wired like regular politicos.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @iSteveFan

    Stein supports "full reparations" for slavery, as if we haven't already paid them many times over.

    And her running mate makes Barack Obama look like George Rockwell.

    Replies: @Che Guava

  159. iSteveFan says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @iSteveFan

    I don't see any evidence that the smart email about immigration was from a Democratic staffer rather than an email to Democratic insider John Podesta from some stranger.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Anonymous

    You are probably correct. I just looked it over quickly. But even so you’d think Podesta would at least be aware of what was happening, and would have contacted his superiors.

    I mean if your superiors are embarking on a Merkle like policy and you just got word that all is not well, wouldn’t it be your duty to inform the bosses?

  160. @candid_observer
    So what we have learned today is something very important.

    The people of the United States are faced with one of the most consequential choices they have ever had to make.

    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.

    Obviously, it's the man who's disgusting and crazy and who trashes the values any self-respecting American holds dear.

    400M rude, demanding interlopers -- that we can easily deal with.

    But locker room boasts? They will destroy civilization as we know it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Anonymous, @Anonymous Nephew, @AnotherDad

    The BBC are all-in on Trump’s comments, and zilch-zero-nada about the Wikileaks drop, which I’ve only just read about here.

    Open borders – so good as not to be newsworthy.

    Boasting about women – “Trump has bounced back from other gaffes. But this is different”

    • Replies: @eah
    @Anonymous Nephew

    https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/784546797817585664

    Replies: @eah, @Random Dude on the Internet

  161. @Anonymous
    Longtime iSteve reader. A fan. Nevertheless, I hate Trump and will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Trump is a retarded, backwards asshole.

    I voted for Romney. Where is another Romney?

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Maj. Kong, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Venator

    When I see the words “backwards”, that’s an immediate sign of the CultMarx “Current Year” trope. How can you possibly be reading Steve regularly, but fundamentally have the Ezra Klein perspective. Are you one of the interns sent to poach ideas?

    Romney was ripped to shreds by the hostile media and his grifting staff. The reason is simple: the permanent establishment hates the historic demography of this country. Those they hate form the base of the Republican Party.

    By signaling a vote for the Regime, you are voting for the dissolution of borders and the merging of this country into the Third World sewer to the south of us.

  162. @Anonymous
    John Lennon was a decent enough bloke - he wrote some pretty tunes and had a knack for giving out good, pithy quotes, my favorite is 'Elvis died when he joined the army', but in saying all that, it's best to think of John Lennon is a glorified comedian, a joker, a mocker, a 'jack-the-lad', who got lucky, rather than as a great philosopher.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Technically, I think Elvis did not join but was rather drafted. However, obviously it was set up between Elvis’ management and the Army. Elvis was not, as most even minor entertainers were, put in Special Services or some type of unit where his skills could be utilized, but was tracked into a lowest-common-denominator infantry path-that was what The Col. (who was as we know now not only not a real colonel but an illegal immigrant) thought best for Elvis’ image.

    Of course the intense public interest in Private Presley made him no asset to combat arms, and the Army would have been far better to utilize him as a reserve NCO stateside in recruiting and morale operations.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Former Darfur

    Not that many guys who were already big sports stars saw combat during WWII. You usually had to volunteer pretty hard. Bob Feller who was a big star in baseball from age 17 onward had a career record of 107-54 when he joined the Navy on 12/9/41 as a 23-year-old. He saw a fair amount of fighting on the USS Alabama, although it was known as the Lucky A for never suffering a death in combat.

    Lots of guys who later became stars saw combat in WWII, like Warren Spahn at the Battle of the Bulge.

    That Ted Williams flew combat jets in Korea as John Glenn's wingman at age 33-34 was pretty anomalous, especially after he'd given up 3 seasons to the military during WWII (although staying stateside) and had been famous in baseball since the 1930s. A lot of odd things happened to Ted, almost as if people didn't like his attitude.

    Replies: @5371

  163. @rod1963
    @Berty

    Trump didn't have much in the way of allies in D.C. except for a handful of people. Most of the GOP is on the take just like the Democrats are. In fact most of them hate Trump and won't hesitate to shank him if given the chance.

    Really, they hate him since he stands for everything they support. Open borders, globalism, job destroying free trade pacts.

    In regards to McCain, the people of AZ are terminally stupid. The vile old goat is 80 years old and will not survive if elected back to the senate. He will die there. He's already outlived his father by a decade, so he's really pushing it.

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Former Darfur, @Jack Hanson

    As much as I detest McCain, I don’t know that from a pure pork-raising standpoint there is any downside to re-electing a really senior Senator whether or not he is likely to croak in office. And pork is what seniority means. If he croaks a year in, that’s one more fiscal year you get out of him before the junior Senator moves up and a new Senator is elected. Until the newb is in two terms he or she will raise little pork.

  164. @Anonymous
    Longtime iSteve reader. A fan. Nevertheless, I hate Trump and will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Trump is a retarded, backwards asshole.

    I voted for Romney. Where is another Romney?

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Maj. Kong, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Venator

    “I hate Trump and will hold my nose and vote for Hillary.”
    I bet you keep your balls in your purse.

  165. @Whiskey
    I promise last add, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:

    The Wikileaks Podesta Letters have a stunning indictment of Germany's Multiculti immigrant disaster.

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have an IQ of a turnip and the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. Things get worse not better and its Class Conflict raised to extermination levels.

    Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Anonymous, @Pat Hannagan, @iSteveFan, @Anonymous Nephew, @eah

    The recipient I gather is John Podesta, former Clinton chief of staff. Who is “[email protected]”, his correspondent?

    If it’s just some random guy, no matter the verity of the contents, while it’s important to all of us it doesn’t address the immediate issue, which is to hold Hillary’s feet to the electoral fire. Anyone keeping an eye on Europe (e.g. reading the German Joys website or Breitbart) has an idea of the score.

  166. @Anonymous Nephew
    @candid_observer

    The BBC are all-in on Trump's comments, and zilch-zero-nada about the Wikileaks drop, which I've only just read about here.

    Open borders - so good as not to be newsworthy.

    Boasting about women - "Trump has bounced back from other gaffes. But this is different"

    Replies: @eah

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/brucebolton/status/784626881899466753

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Random Dude on the Internet
    @eah

    This is why this "scandal" won't amount to much: the people who are offended were the types who were never going to vote for Donald Trump and the people who are concerned about immigration are still going to vote for Trump. The only thing that will really do damage to his run would be a statement where he walks back on his tough immigration reform. He has tried that a couple times in the past and both times he took real damage.

    On the other hand there's nothing holding Trump back from going full nuclear. People speculated that Trump was holding back at the first debate and I'm not sure that I believe that but if he did, he shouldn't now. Make the public get reacquainted with Bill Clinton's victims. Bring up the Wikileaks revelations that this story was meant to hide. Make Hillary a coughing mess as her smug demeanor gets turned around on her. Don't even bother getting tripped up with whatever garbage Anderson Cooper will pull tomorrow. Just go all out on her and keep doing it until November 8. There really isn't much time left. For the primaries, Trump was very adept at controlling the narrative, it's time to return back to those days.

    Also we have to keep in mind that these events have about a three day shelf life. By Tuesday, the media will be crying about something else. It would be a mistake to assume this thing is any different.

  167. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Blank
    Question: Do our elites really, truly believe this? Or are they forced to speak this way because they have no acceptable vocabulary to articulate alternatives? That is, they know on some level that this is hooey, but they feel they're locked into this track by forces beyond their control and are trusting that some clever group of elites on down the road will solve the dilemma?

    Or are they so malicious that they actively understand what they're doing and just assume they'll never have to face the consequences?

    I tend to assume it's got to be one of the first two options, but a few more years and I might switch to option three.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @FX Enderby, @Anon, @Harold

    I might be the only one, but I like the idea of importing stuff like textiles from low wage places and exporting stuff like iPhones and Capital intensive/high wage manufacturing.

    HOWEVER

    One reason to do it is to import the stuff but not the people. That is, send Norma Rae to community college and import textiles. But don’t leave the gate open for 3rd world Norma Raes to just walk in.

    So let them grow produce in Mexico, import it and let them keep their farm labor.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Mexico has a lot of good soil and a reasonable amount of water, although not the amazing irrigation systems that California has. Mexico is a good place for Mexicans to harvest crops and then sell them to Americans.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anon

    "One reason to do it is to import the stuff but not the people. That is, send Norma Rae to community college and import textiles."

    The problem is, not every blue-collar worker is Norma Rae. Half of all people are of below average ability. A lot of the people who worked in textile mills aren't going to be able to do whatever it is Norma Rae does after she's attended community college. What about them? Do you want them to have a job and a place in society, or just become burglars, meth-cookers, and heroin addicts? You may not care about them much, but you will still be living amongst them.

  168. @eah
    @Anonymous Nephew

    https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/784546797817585664

    Replies: @eah, @Random Dude on the Internet

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @eah

    Good Lord!

    What, pray, has the sanctified holy custodian of the divine yoni (Hillary) have to say about *that* ?

  169. Liberal elites seem to assume that multicultural/multi racial countries will naturally support both free trade and open borders. But who’s to say that a more multicultural West might be more protectionist? Consider socialist/populist South American countries like Cuba and Venezuela, multicultural to be sure, but hardly utopias for wealthy elites and western corporations.

    Consider what might happen if the Democrats in the US win this election and stay in power for several decades. With no rival party to push them out of power, there will be no need for corporate sponsors, and the anti-corporate left of the party will be free to push for Chavez-style socialism and populism.

  170. @Whiskey
    I promise last add, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:

    The Wikileaks Podesta Letters have a stunning indictment of Germany's Multiculti immigrant disaster.

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have an IQ of a turnip and the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. Things get worse not better and its Class Conflict raised to extermination levels.

    Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Replies: @Anoni, @Anonymous, @Pat Hannagan, @iSteveFan, @Anonymous Nephew, @eah

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have … the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. … Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Stimmt nicht — wahnsinnig übertrieben.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @eah

    und was machen Sie beruflich?

    Replies: @eah

  171. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

    Hillary would love to be President of the Hemisphere. Why not?

    And she believes in equality, no?

    It’s like a merger between Apple and HP. Apple stock sells for $114/share. HP for $22. So, lets just combine them. Apple shareholders get 1 share of the new company for every share they own. HP shareholders get 1 share of the new company for every share they own.

    No.

    A zillion billable hours of legal and consulting fees are needed to figure out a ‘fair’ exchange.

    Open borders doesn’t come with terms and conditions. The goal is equality, no? We can’t just make our Merger Mexicans 3/5 citizens. We know how that worked out.

    Maybe the analogy sucks. But its just arithmetic.

  172. @Anon
    @Mr. Blank

    I might be the only one, but I like the idea of importing stuff like textiles from low wage places and exporting stuff like iPhones and Capital intensive/high wage manufacturing.

    HOWEVER

    One reason to do it is to import the stuff but not the people. That is, send Norma Rae to community college and import textiles. But don't leave the gate open for 3rd world Norma Raes to just walk in.

    So let them grow produce in Mexico, import it and let them keep their farm labor.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    Mexico has a lot of good soil and a reasonable amount of water, although not the amazing irrigation systems that California has. Mexico is a good place for Mexicans to harvest crops and then sell them to Americans.

  173. @Mr. Blank
    Question: Do our elites really, truly believe this? Or are they forced to speak this way because they have no acceptable vocabulary to articulate alternatives? That is, they know on some level that this is hooey, but they feel they're locked into this track by forces beyond their control and are trusting that some clever group of elites on down the road will solve the dilemma?

    Or are they so malicious that they actively understand what they're doing and just assume they'll never have to face the consequences?

    I tend to assume it's got to be one of the first two options, but a few more years and I might switch to option three.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Obamadon_Imbecilis, @FX Enderby, @Anon, @Harold

    People much, much smarter than our elites really believe, so why not?

  174. @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/brucebolton/status/784626881899466753

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Good Lord!

    What, pray, has the sanctified holy custodian of the divine yoni (Hillary) have to say about *that* ?

  175. Tony Carrk?

    Apart from having a surname which sounds like a cross between a typo and anguished cry of pain, why couldn’t it be the good old ancient Anglo-Saxon ‘Clark’ and be done with it?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Carrk is probably a variant of Kerik or Cherik.

  176. @rod1963
    @Berty

    Trump didn't have much in the way of allies in D.C. except for a handful of people. Most of the GOP is on the take just like the Democrats are. In fact most of them hate Trump and won't hesitate to shank him if given the chance.

    Really, they hate him since he stands for everything they support. Open borders, globalism, job destroying free trade pacts.

    In regards to McCain, the people of AZ are terminally stupid. The vile old goat is 80 years old and will not survive if elected back to the senate. He will die there. He's already outlived his father by a decade, so he's really pushing it.

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Former Darfur, @Jack Hanson

    Yeah, McCain’s win was basically old people + the cucked Mormon establishment lining up behind him.

  177. @Steve Sailer
    @(((Owen)))

    Trump really likes talking about Trump.

    Replies: @(((Owen))), @Jack Hanson

    Versus Romney, who liked talking about tax cuts for the ultra wealthy.

  178. @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Technically, I think Elvis did not join but was rather drafted. However, obviously it was set up between Elvis' management and the Army. Elvis was not, as most even minor entertainers were, put in Special Services or some type of unit where his skills could be utilized, but was tracked into a lowest-common-denominator infantry path-that was what The Col. (who was as we know now not only not a real colonel but an illegal immigrant) thought best for Elvis' image.

    Of course the intense public interest in Private Presley made him no asset to combat arms, and the Army would have been far better to utilize him as a reserve NCO stateside in recruiting and morale operations.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Not that many guys who were already big sports stars saw combat during WWII. You usually had to volunteer pretty hard. Bob Feller who was a big star in baseball from age 17 onward had a career record of 107-54 when he joined the Navy on 12/9/41 as a 23-year-old. He saw a fair amount of fighting on the USS Alabama, although it was known as the Lucky A for never suffering a death in combat.

    Lots of guys who later became stars saw combat in WWII, like Warren Spahn at the Battle of the Bulge.

    That Ted Williams flew combat jets in Korea as John Glenn’s wingman at age 33-34 was pretty anomalous, especially after he’d given up 3 seasons to the military during WWII (although staying stateside) and had been famous in baseball since the 1930s. A lot of odd things happened to Ted, almost as if people didn’t like his attitude.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Steve Sailer

    "Paddy" Mayne of the SAS was one of the world's most promising rugby players before the war, and Hans-Ulrich Rudel the Stuka pilot was one of its most promising decathletes.

  179. @Anonymous
    Longtime iSteve reader. A fan. Nevertheless, I hate Trump and will hold my nose and vote for Hillary. Trump is a retarded, backwards asshole.

    I voted for Romney. Where is another Romney?

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Maj. Kong, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever..., @Venator

    Men vote for issues, not for persons. Women do the opposite.

    • Agree: eah, ATX Hipster
  180. @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous

    Are you kidding? He was uninformed. Hillary and Holt attacked him with facts that weren't even true and he didn't even know enough to correct them. He didn't understand his own issues.

    And there were darn few issues. It was mostly one Trump scandal after another from Hillary and Holt. When you say you have the poise and negotiating skill to be president, you should at least be able to get your issues on the table within ninety minutes against a feeble lady and soft moderator. But we heard nothing about Immigration and nothing about the Libya fiasco, nothing about Hillary's culpability for Iraq.

    He looked like a lunatic droning about his judgement while she smirked. There are facts to back up his argument, but he apparently didn't know them. At all. Instead he tried proof by raising his voice and interrupting.

    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG, @Neil Templeton, @AnotherDad

    He’s not even much of a negotiator, if he agrees to debate before a uniformly hostile panel.

    • Replies: @res
    @International Jew


    He’s not even much of a negotiator, if he agrees to debate before a uniformly hostile panel.
     
    That's a good point. Do you have any idea how the negotiation process for the moderators works? It would be interesting to see a more detailed analysis of the mechanics and results of Trump's negotiation on that. One thought is that Trump's Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement (BATNA) was not that great given that Hillary has most of the media and Trump needs the debates to get his actual words out to the masses (contrast that to the primaries where he skipped the one debate and still got press coverage). Given that, it's hard to sway unfriendly decision makers.

    P.S. Based on your posts I'm guessing you already know about this, but if anyone is interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiated_agreement

  181. @(((Owen)))
    @iSteveFan

    My family and I do support free trade, Obamacare, a woman's right to choose, a clean and healthy environment for our grandchildren, medicare, balanced budgets, and lots of other Clinton issues. But we also want to have a country here for our posterity to inherit.

    To overcome that, Trump must prove that he can deliver on his key issues. He must show us that his judgement on war and peace is rational and Hillary's is lunatic. Hillary claims to want peace in the world, also, and she won't be exposed on the issue unless Trump brings up the facts at debate. It is not enough to be right about a few issues when most voters have a mix of opinions. He must explain why the issues he is right on are the important ones and that he has the character to make the right compromises and the savvy to negotiate on our behalf.

    And he passed up his chance in the debate so that we could hear blithering about when and why he flip flopped on this or that and how much he doesn't like Hillary and Rosie. All because studying and practicing would have required him to listen to experts and pay attention; Trump is obviously above such petty concerns.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @International Jew

    If those ((())) around your handle mean what they usually mean, then I’ll recommend to you my approach to advocating Trump with my family: I tell them that we need to put the brakes on Arab immigration, or our lives will become a hell, like the French and Belgian Jews’.

  182. @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous


    The population of the Western Hemisphere is approaching 670,000,000.

    I don’t think we should assume that even in that scenario, as disastrous as it would be, there would be enforceable borders separating the Americas from the rest of the world.
     
    If we could have secure, strictly limited immigration across the oceans, but had to agree to full open borders in the Western Hemisphere to accomplish it, that would be a fantastic bargain. Outside Guatemala, Honduras, and Bolivia, our hemisphere's birth rates are all around or below replacement and dropping. That means we may face consequences of loss of borders, but we don't face ethnic cleansing and ultimate extirpation at the hands of hostile aliens.

    Remember the Most Important Graph in the World. None of those lines that go crazy nuclear are from the Americas.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Romanian

    You forget opportunistic fertility rates, an issue Steve Sailer has discussed before, brought about by welfare and better medical care. And also the economic disparities. Countries are not like connected water vessels, to settle at the same population level relative to size. Even at the risk of depopulating their own countries, they will come lured not just by the income, but by the social and institutional capital (safer streets, better schools etc). Just think about how two third of Puerto Ricans live outside of Puerto Rico.

  183. @Steve Sailer
    @Former Darfur

    Not that many guys who were already big sports stars saw combat during WWII. You usually had to volunteer pretty hard. Bob Feller who was a big star in baseball from age 17 onward had a career record of 107-54 when he joined the Navy on 12/9/41 as a 23-year-old. He saw a fair amount of fighting on the USS Alabama, although it was known as the Lucky A for never suffering a death in combat.

    Lots of guys who later became stars saw combat in WWII, like Warren Spahn at the Battle of the Bulge.

    That Ted Williams flew combat jets in Korea as John Glenn's wingman at age 33-34 was pretty anomalous, especially after he'd given up 3 seasons to the military during WWII (although staying stateside) and had been famous in baseball since the 1930s. A lot of odd things happened to Ted, almost as if people didn't like his attitude.

    Replies: @5371

    “Paddy” Mayne of the SAS was one of the world’s most promising rugby players before the war, and Hans-Ulrich Rudel the Stuka pilot was one of its most promising decathletes.

  184. @Opinionator
    @Maj. Kong

    What social norms did Trump violate? It isn't even clear from the tape that he was aware the woman in question was married.

    Meanwhile, there is full consensus that Bill committed adultery.

    Replies: @Ed, @Maj. Kong, @S. anonyia

    Also it’s not clear from the tape whether anything happened at all, at least in 2005ish. Just sounded like old man braggadocio.

  185. @eah
    @Anonymous Nephew

    https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/status/784546797817585664

    Replies: @eah, @Random Dude on the Internet

    This is why this “scandal” won’t amount to much: the people who are offended were the types who were never going to vote for Donald Trump and the people who are concerned about immigration are still going to vote for Trump. The only thing that will really do damage to his run would be a statement where he walks back on his tough immigration reform. He has tried that a couple times in the past and both times he took real damage.

    On the other hand there’s nothing holding Trump back from going full nuclear. People speculated that Trump was holding back at the first debate and I’m not sure that I believe that but if he did, he shouldn’t now. Make the public get reacquainted with Bill Clinton’s victims. Bring up the Wikileaks revelations that this story was meant to hide. Make Hillary a coughing mess as her smug demeanor gets turned around on her. Don’t even bother getting tripped up with whatever garbage Anderson Cooper will pull tomorrow. Just go all out on her and keep doing it until November 8. There really isn’t much time left. For the primaries, Trump was very adept at controlling the narrative, it’s time to return back to those days.

    Also we have to keep in mind that these events have about a three day shelf life. By Tuesday, the media will be crying about something else. It would be a mistake to assume this thing is any different.

  186. @Whiskey
    Last add, lest anyone be in doubt, Slashdot reports that Marissa Mayer illegally purged (White) Male Employees.

    Can anyone imagine say, Donald Trump firing most of his female employees? Of course not. Can everyone imagine Hillary or Lean Forward Sheryl Sandberg or any other White Female Professional doing EXACTLY what Mayer did?

    If you want to know why Hillary is the favorite to win, Marissa Mayer and the millions of White professional women just like her are the reason.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR, @res

    >Sandberg

    >any other White female

    Pick one

  187. @YT Wurlitzer
    The timing of the Trump tape release coincides with another Clinton leak. Coincidence? Probably not.

    Among the private policies revealed in the long-awaited Goldman Sachs speeches is the bit Sailer has called out here in which GS and their Slackey dream of a one-hemisphere world on the way to one world run by the likes of Hillary. It's almost like the conspiracy theories are true, as if bankers and their bent, corrupt politicians plan on turning us into cattle and the world into an abattoir.

    Now which story do you think will be all the news? Which story is more relevant to how our country is to be run?

    Replies: @YT Wurlitzer, @AndrewR

    The media obviously is not blameless but at the end of the day they report what people want them to. Say what you want about Hillary and globalism but her speech was at least superficially an optimistic and utopian one. Who doesn’t wish that a borderless world could work? Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren’t. All but the most provincial folks at least occasionally fantasize about a world where borders weren’t necessary. And many people simply are too ignorant to think that borders are necessary.

    So Hillary’s speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump’s comments as anything other than nauseating.

    • Replies: @Moshe
    @AndrewR

    Disgusting rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

    You must be a rich guy interested in exploiting the masses around the world. Terrible.

    I'm rather non-provincial.

    But I like provinces. Let the Greek stay Greek, the Bedouin stay Beduin. The Jamaicans, Jamaican.

    A borderless world is YOUR fantasy. Not mine and not most of the other non "provincials" here.

    Elitist usurpers like you are what made Karl Marx so popular. We don't want his approach and we don't want yours. We want human and cultural diversity around the globe - SEPARATED BY BORDERS.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @AndrewR




    So Hillary’s speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump’s comments as anything other than nauseating.

     

    They aren't nauseating. They are raunchy even a little funny, but shocking to the sheltered.

    If Trump were gay and making similar comments about men, that would be nauseating.

    Replies: @European in America, @AndrewR

    , @Desiderius
    @AndrewR


    Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren’t.
     
    You are simply mistaken. You might as well say people wish deep down that all ice cream tasted the same.

    Vive la différence!

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @International Jew
    @AndrewR


    Who doesn’t wish that a borderless world could work?
     
    Well, in the limited sense where all foreigners are cheerful, witty and buxom Swedish exchange students, or they're all François Truffaut or Isabella Rosselini. And indeed, for someone like Hillary, those are the foreigners in her world.

    If we could find a way to plant Somalis and Mara Salvatrucha where our elites live, and (in quantity) where their children go to school, our problems would soon be over, even without a President Trump.

  188. @iSteveFan
    @(((Owen)))

    A lot of the issues you listed would put you in Hillary's camp. Or you could vote Jill Stein. But this issue caught my eye.



    But we also want to have a country here for our posterity to inherit.
     
    You need to figure out if this issue is the most important. In your list, I'd would rank it at the top. And if that is the case, your posterity is going to inherit a nation that will continue to rapidly increase its population with more and more diverse cultures. To me this seems bad because it will lead to diminished resources and increased social turmoil. Don't believe me? Read the wikileaks that Whiskey linked to above that describes what is happening to native Germans under siege in their own nation from the muslim immigrant hordes.

    But you have to rank your own list. If you do support free trade like NAFTA and TPP, then Hillary or Johnson is your guy.

    If you are happy with obamacare, then Hillary or Jill are your gals.

    As far as judgment on war and peace, Trump is an unknown while Hillary has a record. She voted to invade Iraq. She engineered the Gadaffi overthrow that led to the chaos that is Libya. She was on board for overthrowing Assad that has led to the chaos that is Syria, which has led to refugee crisis flooding Europe.

    Also recall her inaction for 13 hours when the ambassador was killed and the contractors trying to protect him were killed. I could see an initial attack taking one by surprise. But what was she doing for 13 hours when early on they knew the ambassador was killed and others were pleading for help? Why did she not make a command decision?

    So though Trump is an unknown on this issue, do you really think Hillary's past performance justifies her promotion to be commander in chief? I don't.

    And don't forget about which candidate is itching for a showdown with Russia, and which candidate is supported by the neocons. That alone should disqualify her on foreign policy grounds.

    Trump's not a politician so he is never going to meet your expectations as a campaigner. He cut his teeth in NY real estate, so I am sure he is not wired like regular politicos.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Stein supports “full reparations” for slavery, as if we haven’t already paid them many times over.

    And her running mate makes Barack Obama look like George Rockwell.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @AndrewR

    Not being 'murrican, hadn't noticed the running mate!

    The running mate's surname is the same as Obama's chosen first name (OK, spelt a little differently). Wow! Those Muzzies sure do like recycling a very few names!

    By Geo. Rockwell, suppose you mean George Lincoln Rockwell?

    Replies: @AndrewR

  189. There is a meme of a strange walking Lennon called “John Lennon: The Absolute Madman”

    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/john-lennon-the-absolute-madman

  190. I agree with the Hill about open borders. As an American, I want to go to Mexico and other places to buy land. Stupid nationalist laws prevent this.

    • Replies: @Moshe
    @flyingtiger

    Oh, I'm all for annexing Baja California. Fair is fair. But your desire to strip mine the poor of the world of their land, culture and very persons is disgusting. Don't you already have enough lebensraum? Why do you have to go outbid others for theirs.

    HuffPo is missing their pseudo-brave (Flyingt Tiger!!) video game expert.

  191. @Lugash
    I think the Bill Clinton speech was 9/10/2001.

    Replies: @Connecticut Famer

    Yes. A typo no doubt.

  192. @MLK
    OT:

    David Fahrenthold @Fahrenthold
    "I just start kissing them..Just kiss. I don’t even wait,' Trump said. “And when you’re a star they let you do it." http://wpo.st/1xm32
     
    Pop quiz: Of the four major party candidates for President/VP, which person is least likely at some point to have engaged in bawdy talk about kissing women?

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @Charles Erwin Wilson, @(((Owen))), @Anon7, @fish

    I think that most likely recent suspect would clearly be the serial neck and shoulder massager “Shotgun” Joe Biden.

    A more serious less mock worthy contender would be LBJ!

    Funny…..both democrats. Who’da thunk?

  193. @Whiskey
    Last add, lest anyone be in doubt, Slashdot reports that Marissa Mayer illegally purged (White) Male Employees.

    Can anyone imagine say, Donald Trump firing most of his female employees? Of course not. Can everyone imagine Hillary or Lean Forward Sheryl Sandberg or any other White Female Professional doing EXACTLY what Mayer did?

    If you want to know why Hillary is the favorite to win, Marissa Mayer and the millions of White professional women just like her are the reason.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR, @res

    This is interesting. I wonder if there is a paper trail showing this? (i.e. does he have proof?) Sounds like a good time for a statistical analysis of the performance review changes made by Liberman. From the Mercury News article:

    Liberman, he said, once “unilaterally lowered” the scores of three men whose performance Ard had evaluated, while she maintained the scores of two women.

  194. I am a Trump voter but Hillary is a panderer. Bill taught her how to be a more effective bullshitter and panderer. She is telling these Latin American bankers the trans national, open borders jive they want to hear. For this lucrative payday she would spin it this way even if she didn’t believe it. She gets paid $225,000 and they get some future favors. Or did they something from her a few years ago?

    Did this money go into her personal accounts or the Clintoon Crime Family Foundation? Bill and Hill like to say most speech fees went into the foundation. Probably lies.

  195. @Thea
    How can anyone be as evil as Soros. He is the ultimate super villain, rubbing his hands together, laughing with glee, as he watches the mayhem he unleashed from his headquarters.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Hillary is as bad as Soros. She’s just not as rich.

  196. @Steve Sailer
    @Whiskey

    Mayer tried to reposition Yahoo as a content generator to pursue the women's media market. That seems like a legit business strategy (even though it apparently didn't work well) and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women's movies and hire male suits.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster, @TangoMan, @res

    That seems like a legit business strategy … and one that would require dumping a lot of male executives and replacing them with female executives. Conversely, if a movie studio decided to give up on romantic comedies and instead make more superhero movies, they ought to be able to fire their female suits who specialize in women’s movies and hire male suits.

    Interesting take. How does this happen in other businesses? What obligations do businesses have to employees who become a worse fit due to strategy changes? Are the same “rules” applicable to hiring? Can we take it as a given that men/women (substitute other un/protected classes as desired) are unable to manage (or inferior at managing) content generation for women/men? And speaking to the substance of the lawsuit, does this make it OK to systematically modify performance reviews in an effort at justification?

    It seems to me this is just another example of “Who, Whom?” I’m beginning to think a requirement of any discrimination lawsuit should be that the facts of the case be presented with randomly scrambled demographic characteristics–I mean we’re all just the same, right?

    See also TangoMan’s EEOC comment above.

    P.S. This comment probably comes off as aggressive because this issue hits close to home. I appreciate your giving the contrary POV. (on pondering your last sentence, I considered not posting this entire comment because I’m wondering if that was a concise way of addressing my diatribe, but am letting it stand because I am curious if there are any answers or concrete examples)

  197. @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous

    Are you kidding? He was uninformed. Hillary and Holt attacked him with facts that weren't even true and he didn't even know enough to correct them. He didn't understand his own issues.

    And there were darn few issues. It was mostly one Trump scandal after another from Hillary and Holt. When you say you have the poise and negotiating skill to be president, you should at least be able to get your issues on the table within ninety minutes against a feeble lady and soft moderator. But we heard nothing about Immigration and nothing about the Libya fiasco, nothing about Hillary's culpability for Iraq.

    He looked like a lunatic droning about his judgement while she smirked. There are facts to back up his argument, but he apparently didn't know them. At all. Instead he tried proof by raising his voice and interrupting.

    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG, @Neil Templeton, @AnotherDad

    The question is about interests. In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He’s a flawed candidate. Hillary wants to increase immigration to please her constituents; Trump wants to decrease it for the same reason. Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men. Hillary is good for everyone who’s not white; Trump, for everyone who’s white.

    I don’t think he has a winning coalition anymore, but he at least deserves your vote. Besides, if the parentheses mean what they usually mean, as IJ says, you want more Muslim refugees? Remember who’s doing all the actual antisemitic violence in Europe these days, Pepe and Co. aside.

    Family, well, that’s always hard. No point getting disowned over a few votes, and you may not even live in a swing state. But you could at least make the case that if Hillary wins, we are going to look a lot more like Brazil, there is going to be a lot more interethnic conflict as power levels equalize, and so on.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men."

    That's not quite true. Hillary is not really "good for women". Generally, what is good for men is good for women, but that can no longer be openly said in this debased country.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Thea
    @SFG

    Hillary is not good for women.

    Replies: @BB753, @Lagertha

    , @ATX Hipster
    @SFG


    In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He’s a flawed candidate... Trump is good for men.
     
    That's it right there. I'd love it if we were getting sane talk on immigration in the form of an Enoch Powell rather than a Donald Trump, but we have to play the hand we've been dealt.

    Back during the primaries, some of my more waspish family members were appalled when I told them I was supporting Trump, and I get it. But man, I'm still young and I've got small children. Am I supposed to vote for an objectively worse future just because Trump's a crass blowhard?

    Replies: @Matra

  198. @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous

    Are you kidding? He was uninformed. Hillary and Holt attacked him with facts that weren't even true and he didn't even know enough to correct them. He didn't understand his own issues.

    And there were darn few issues. It was mostly one Trump scandal after another from Hillary and Holt. When you say you have the poise and negotiating skill to be president, you should at least be able to get your issues on the table within ninety minutes against a feeble lady and soft moderator. But we heard nothing about Immigration and nothing about the Libya fiasco, nothing about Hillary's culpability for Iraq.

    He looked like a lunatic droning about his judgement while she smirked. There are facts to back up his argument, but he apparently didn't know them. At all. Instead he tried proof by raising his voice and interrupting.

    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG, @Neil Templeton, @AnotherDad

    Trump cannot “argue” with Hillary over issues if he wants to preserve his status as a worthy leader. To concede that her point is worthy of argument is to concede that she has equal status to him. On a subconscious level this is a fail. The arguments can be made by others. He must simply convey that he is in command, that he will lead America to a better future, and that she would lead it to shame. Not an easy task for Mr. Trump, given that a significant portion of the folks who stage these events would love to watch him self immolate, but it’s doable.

  199. iSteveFan says:

    I don’t think he has a winning coalition anymore,

    But he does have the coalition, at least if what you write that he represents whites is true. If a candidate could get the white vote he would win. The problem is too many whites, maybe close to 40 percent, will vote for the democrat

    Liberals often mock mid-level whites for voting against their economic interests when they voted for Reagan and other republicans. Recall the book “What’s the Matter with Kansas?” I think a case could be made today that the vast majority of that 40 percent of the white vote that is going for Hillary is also voting against their interests too. Yet no one ever says so.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @iSteveFan

    "Liberals often mock mid-level whites for voting against their economic interests when they voted for Reagan and other republicans. Recall the book “What’s the Matter with Kansas?”"

    They (liberals) do this at the same time they insinuate that conservatives are greedy and materialistic.

    You greedy, materialistic people - you're not voting your wallet!

    , @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan

    There's no difference between GOP and the Democrats as far as the future they want/and the griftership while in DC. They are all for the Globalist/Free Trade/no borders/Multicult agenda. This is why Trump is a threat to them. And, yes you are right: the white lower & middle class group is being used by the Democrats. But, to this day, I only know of one HRC sign, but 7 Trump lawn signs in our town. Usually we have hundreds of lawn signs. So, people may be hiding their true choices. I am fighting against Immigration here/Migrants in Europe, PC culture stifling business and well, everything, the globalist agenda, and the push for WW3 with Russia..

  200. @eah
    $225,000

    HRC must be a really great speaker -- good questions for her at the next debate would be 'What makes a speech by you worth $225k?', or 'Why do you want to be President when you can make more money by giving two speeches than you would as President in a whole year?'

    hubris, greed

    https://twitter.com/TheBlazeHotList/status/783559970407247872

    Replies: @res

    Awesome “fact check” in that article (and this is the complete NYP paragraph, i.e. not out of context):

    “A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still d–kng bimbos at home (according to the NYP),” reads the explosive e-mail obtained by the Web site DCLeaks. Hillary is actually 68.

    Parody fact checks could be a fun humor genre for this election, but I don’t recall seeing many. Does anyone have any pointers?

  201. @candid_observer
    So what we have learned today is something very important.

    The people of the United States are faced with one of the most consequential choices they have ever had to make.

    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.

    Obviously, it's the man who's disgusting and crazy and who trashes the values any self-respecting American holds dear.

    400M rude, demanding interlopers -- that we can easily deal with.

    But locker room boasts? They will destroy civilization as we know it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Anonymous, @Anonymous Nephew, @AnotherDad

    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.

    But Trump needs to make it clear that is the choice–*make* that the choice. Which Trump has shown no ability to do.

    Heck not even much inclination to do during the first debate. Even fielding this mess, he missed an opportunity. He could have said his bit “This was crude private locker room style bullshitting between two guys, i’ve heard worse from an ex-President on the golf course. It was in bad taste and i apologize for it’s crudeness–but it’s locker room b.s. You can ask the women i employ in the Trump organization how i treat women, you’ll find i treat women in the real world respectfully.”

    But then something like:

    “Now can we get talk about the real issue in this campaign: Whether America we will have a President who is actually working in the interests of Americans. Really whether America will survive as a prosperous and free nation to be inherited by our children. That’s the issue.

    “Hillary is a greedy corrupt politician bought and paid for by Wall Street. We now have a transcript of her chat with some South American bankers, who were paying her a quarter million dollar bribe, by way of supposedly paying for a “speech”.

    “Here’s what she said
    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”

    “Hillary’s dream is to trash American sovereignty. Throw away the value of Americans’ citizenship and let anyone from the hemisphere flood in here. And that’s her dream. And this isn’t locker room bullshitting a decade back this is what Hillary is saying, promising in public to the bankers who’ve made Hillary rich and fund her campaign just three years back. Open borders and abolishing the value of American citizenship is Hillary’s *dream* and the kind of thing she’ll be able to push forward as President.”

    ~~
    Again it’s not beyond Trump to force the press to cover this and make the election about the only real issue in the campaign … but he’s got to actually *do it*.

    • Agree: Pat Hannagan
    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @AnotherDad

    These are good talking points.

  202. @International Jew
    @(((Owen)))

    He's not even much of a negotiator, if he agrees to debate before a uniformly hostile panel.

    Replies: @res

    He’s not even much of a negotiator, if he agrees to debate before a uniformly hostile panel.

    That’s a good point. Do you have any idea how the negotiation process for the moderators works? It would be interesting to see a more detailed analysis of the mechanics and results of Trump’s negotiation on that. One thought is that Trump’s Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement (BATNA) was not that great given that Hillary has most of the media and Trump needs the debates to get his actual words out to the masses (contrast that to the primaries where he skipped the one debate and still got press coverage). Given that, it’s hard to sway unfriendly decision makers.

    P.S. Based on your posts I’m guessing you already know about this, but if anyone is interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_alternative_to_a_negotiated_agreement

  203. iSteveFan says:

    This is a question for people who voted for McCain, but who are having reservations about voting for Trump over these tapes.

    Which is worse, Trump’s locker room talk in what he thought was a private situation, or McCain singing in public “Bomb Iran” to the tune of a Beach Boy’s song?

  204. iSteveFan says:
    @Whiskey
    I don't know if this moves the needle much. Maybe it generates the angry resentful White women vote, known as late married or unmarried White Professional women. They certainly have two rules for men; those worshiped by the media can do whatever they want, Trump was right about that; and those on the displeasure side of the media can do nothing but suffer the lashes of outrage for even existing. That's the female double standard for men which has always been AT LEAST as big as men's double standard and probably bigger.

    So maybe this generates turnout for Hillary. I don't know. As a guy I'm hardly shocked. That's Sunday School stuff no doubt to most professional sports locker rooms let alone the National Felons League or National Blacks Airborne league. Let alone Obama's buddy Jay-Z.

    However what Hillary says is par for the course for nearly all media people, all people in the government, in NGOs, in education, in every elite occupation.

    That is to say, a private "real" policy and fake one for the public that no politician will ever actually do anything about.

    Open Borders (but only, only for White countries, never for say, Zimbabwe or Mexico or Peru).

    That Ordinary White People are the enemy, a "basket of deplorables" and should be erased from existence.

    That nations (again only White ones) should be erased in a mass of Third World global immigration.

    And let's be honest, most White professional women, who hold enormous and disproportionate influence in our society, and always have (they are our downfall) are just fine with that.

    They don't own property. They don't have a lot of kids by men they admire. They don't have genetic or property investments in the US. They are also hugely mobile, and disdain their icky, not cool or hot relatives. And their heritage. And their culture. And their people.

    Heck Hillary's emails leaking will probably push her UP in the polls, because that sort of woman (Professional, White) loves loves loves that stuff.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    Okay Whiskey be honest. Admit you regret not listening to Patrick Buchanan twenty plus years ago. Admit you were wrong to side with the neocons and drum Buchanan out of the movement for his opposition to Iraq. Admit the neocons never had our best interests at heart.

    As for your comment about the needle, I haven’t come across one Trump supporter who will leave over this. I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd. Most of them are nevertrumpers anyway.

    Provided there are no more videos, I think it is good the debate is tomorrow so this tape story doesn’t linger for a week or two. The debate forces the attention back to the other issues, provided of course, they don’t hand pick every audience member with a question about the tape. I mean how much can they talk about it? Of course Trump needs to use his skills to briefly answer and then move on and steer the debate towards his issues.

    Unless there are more tapes to come, I think it might have been a mistake to use this tape at this time. But the cuck Erick Erickson claims even bigger stuff is on the way. I wonder how he knows.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @iSteveFan

    "Okay Whiskey be honest. Admit you regret..................."

    You're kidding, right?

    , @Matra
    @iSteveFan

    I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd.

    If they have it their way the GOP will go back to being the Ned Flanders Party. Trump now needs to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and Bill's rape victims. If he loses the election I think the Deep State will destroy him and his children. He has to win.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous

  205. @anony-mouse
    https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/354847-wikileaks-dnc-leaks-russia/

    Apparently Assange is the only person in the world who can't find anything remotely illegal any Clinton has done, unlike what he said he would do.

    Here's his October Suprise:

    It's October. Surprise!

    I blame the weather in Ecuador.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Apparently Assange is the only person in the world who can’t find anything remotely illegal any Clinton has done, unlike what he said he would do.”

    What is described is indeed quite illegal (bribery, influence peddling). Hillary Clinton has quite openly committed crimes. The DoJ has simply chosen not to investigate or not to prosecute.

  206. Moshe says:
    @AndrewR
    @YT Wurlitzer

    The media obviously is not blameless but at the end of the day they report what people want them to. Say what you want about Hillary and globalism but her speech was at least superficially an optimistic and utopian one. Who doesn't wish that a borderless world could work? Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren't. All but the most provincial folks at least occasionally fantasize about a world where borders weren't necessary. And many people simply are too ignorant to think that borders are necessary.

    So Hillary's speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump's comments as anything other than nauseating.

    Replies: @Moshe, @Joe Schmoe, @Desiderius, @International Jew

    Disgusting rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

    You must be a rich guy interested in exploiting the masses around the world. Terrible.

    I’m rather non-provincial.

    But I like provinces. Let the Greek stay Greek, the Bedouin stay Beduin. The Jamaicans, Jamaican.

    A borderless world is YOUR fantasy. Not mine and not most of the other non “provincials” here.

    Elitist usurpers like you are what made Karl Marx so popular. We don’t want his approach and we don’t want yours. We want human and cultural diversity around the globe – SEPARATED BY BORDERS.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Moshe

    Clearly, literacy is not in your skill set

  207. @iSteveFan

    I don’t think he has a winning coalition anymore,
     
    But he does have the coalition, at least if what you write that he represents whites is true. If a candidate could get the white vote he would win. The problem is too many whites, maybe close to 40 percent, will vote for the democrat

    Liberals often mock mid-level whites for voting against their economic interests when they voted for Reagan and other republicans. Recall the book "What's the Matter with Kansas?" I think a case could be made today that the vast majority of that 40 percent of the white vote that is going for Hillary is also voting against their interests too. Yet no one ever says so.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Lagertha

    “Liberals often mock mid-level whites for voting against their economic interests when they voted for Reagan and other republicans. Recall the book “What’s the Matter with Kansas?””

    They (liberals) do this at the same time they insinuate that conservatives are greedy and materialistic.

    You greedy, materialistic people – you’re not voting your wallet!

  208. @SFG
    @(((Owen)))

    The question is about interests. In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He's a flawed candidate. Hillary wants to increase immigration to please her constituents; Trump wants to decrease it for the same reason. Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men. Hillary is good for everyone who's not white; Trump, for everyone who's white.

    I don't think he has a winning coalition anymore, but he at least deserves your vote. Besides, if the parentheses mean what they usually mean, as IJ says, you want more Muslim refugees? Remember who's doing all the actual antisemitic violence in Europe these days, Pepe and Co. aside.

    Family, well, that's always hard. No point getting disowned over a few votes, and you may not even live in a swing state. But you could at least make the case that if Hillary wins, we are going to look a lot more like Brazil, there is going to be a lot more interethnic conflict as power levels equalize, and so on.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Thea, @ATX Hipster

    “Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men.”

    That’s not quite true. Hillary is not really “good for women”. Generally, what is good for men is good for women, but that can no longer be openly said in this debased country.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    What's good for men: good women.
    What's good for women: good men.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter

  209. Moshe says:
    @flyingtiger
    I agree with the Hill about open borders. As an American, I want to go to Mexico and other places to buy land. Stupid nationalist laws prevent this.

    Replies: @Moshe

    Oh, I’m all for annexing Baja California. Fair is fair. But your desire to strip mine the poor of the world of their land, culture and very persons is disgusting. Don’t you already have enough lebensraum? Why do you have to go outbid others for theirs.

    HuffPo is missing their pseudo-brave (Flyingt Tiger!!) video game expert.

  210. @Anon
    @Mr. Blank

    I might be the only one, but I like the idea of importing stuff like textiles from low wage places and exporting stuff like iPhones and Capital intensive/high wage manufacturing.

    HOWEVER

    One reason to do it is to import the stuff but not the people. That is, send Norma Rae to community college and import textiles. But don't leave the gate open for 3rd world Norma Raes to just walk in.

    So let them grow produce in Mexico, import it and let them keep their farm labor.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Anon

    “One reason to do it is to import the stuff but not the people. That is, send Norma Rae to community college and import textiles.”

    The problem is, not every blue-collar worker is Norma Rae. Half of all people are of below average ability. A lot of the people who worked in textile mills aren’t going to be able to do whatever it is Norma Rae does after she’s attended community college. What about them? Do you want them to have a job and a place in society, or just become burglars, meth-cookers, and heroin addicts? You may not care about them much, but you will still be living amongst them.

  211. @iSteveFan
    @Whiskey

    Okay Whiskey be honest. Admit you regret not listening to Patrick Buchanan twenty plus years ago. Admit you were wrong to side with the neocons and drum Buchanan out of the movement for his opposition to Iraq. Admit the neocons never had our best interests at heart.

    As for your comment about the needle, I haven't come across one Trump supporter who will leave over this. I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd. Most of them are nevertrumpers anyway.

    Provided there are no more videos, I think it is good the debate is tomorrow so this tape story doesn't linger for a week or two. The debate forces the attention back to the other issues, provided of course, they don't hand pick every audience member with a question about the tape. I mean how much can they talk about it? Of course Trump needs to use his skills to briefly answer and then move on and steer the debate towards his issues.

    Unless there are more tapes to come, I think it might have been a mistake to use this tape at this time. But the cuck Erick Erickson claims even bigger stuff is on the way. I wonder how he knows.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Matra

    “Okay Whiskey be honest. Admit you regret……………….”

    You’re kidding, right?

  212. @Anonymous
    Tony Carrk?

    Apart from having a surname which sounds like a cross between a typo and anguished cry of pain, why couldn't it be the good old ancient Anglo-Saxon 'Clark' and be done with it?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Carrk is probably a variant of Kerik or Cherik.

  213. @Steve Sailer
    @iSteveFan

    I don't see any evidence that the smart email about immigration was from a Democratic staffer rather than an email to Democratic insider John Podesta from some stranger.

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Anonymous

    Yeah, I don’t either. It’s a random, nondescript email address, and there aren’t any personal details or any suggestion of personal familiarity with Podesta. It’s a really long screed for an email. It looks like spam or something to be honest.

  214. @AnotherDad
    @candid_observer


    They must choose between a man who makes locker room boasts about grabbing p*ssy, and a woman who aims to allow 400M plus from the south of our erstwhile border to move here, take any available jobs, and get on the government dole.
     
    But Trump needs to make it clear that is the choice--*make* that the choice. Which Trump has shown no ability to do.

    Heck not even much inclination to do during the first debate. Even fielding this mess, he missed an opportunity. He could have said his bit "This was crude private locker room style bullshitting between two guys, i've heard worse from an ex-President on the golf course. It was in bad taste and i apologize for it's crudeness--but it's locker room b.s. You can ask the women i employ in the Trump organization how i treat women, you'll find i treat women in the real world respectfully."

    But then something like:

    "Now can we get talk about the real issue in this campaign: Whether America we will have a President who is actually working in the interests of Americans. Really whether America will survive as a prosperous and free nation to be inherited by our children. That's the issue.

    "Hillary is a greedy corrupt politician bought and paid for by Wall Street. We now have a transcript of her chat with some South American bankers, who were paying her a quarter million dollar bribe, by way of supposedly paying for a "speech".

    "Here's what she said
    “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders"

    "Hillary's dream is to trash American sovereignty. Throw away the value of Americans' citizenship and let anyone from the hemisphere flood in here. And that's her dream. And this isn't locker room bullshitting a decade back this is what Hillary is saying, promising in public to the bankers who've made Hillary rich and fund her campaign just three years back. Open borders and abolishing the value of American citizenship is Hillary's *dream* and the kind of thing she'll be able to push forward as President."

    ~~
    Again it's not beyond Trump to force the press to cover this and make the election about the only real issue in the campaign ... but he's got to actually *do it*.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    These are good talking points.

  215. @(((Owen)))
    @Anonymous

    Are you kidding? He was uninformed. Hillary and Holt attacked him with facts that weren't even true and he didn't even know enough to correct them. He didn't understand his own issues.

    And there were darn few issues. It was mostly one Trump scandal after another from Hillary and Holt. When you say you have the poise and negotiating skill to be president, you should at least be able to get your issues on the table within ninety minutes against a feeble lady and soft moderator. But we heard nothing about Immigration and nothing about the Libya fiasco, nothing about Hillary's culpability for Iraq.

    He looked like a lunatic droning about his judgement while she smirked. There are facts to back up his argument, but he apparently didn't know them. At all. Instead he tried proof by raising his voice and interrupting.

    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.

    Replies: @International Jew, @SFG, @Neil Templeton, @AnotherDad

    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.

    C’mon (((Owen)))–no shame–of course he’s worth voting for. All the stuff you say is true about Trump–undisciplined, full of himself. But Trump is absolutely worth voting for given the alternative. This election isn’t about tax rates and health care it’s about civilizational survival.

    When the nation is turned to shit–Brazil-North–we’re going to pat ourselves on our backs because we didn’t elect the guy who talked–actually more like bullshitted to some other guy–about grabbing some girl’s pussy?

    Sure when the conflict and strife are intolerable, your (((family))) may have the option of ducking out and living amongst their own tribe in Israel. But
    a) show some loyalty to your fellow Americans for once, who have been very good to the Jews
    and
    b) you may find when the West has turned to shit that Israel alone isn’t so peachy or secure as you thought; i know when the West is a big pig pile, i can’t see my descendants thinking they have some obligation to help out the people who gleefully trashed it

    • Replies: @(((Owen)))
    @AnotherDad

    Within my mixed family, Trump voting and Jewish blood quantum are very strongly correlated. It's the gentiles that Trump is failing to persuade.

  216. The locker room trash talk is a non-issue. And if it bothers any SJW women out there, they ought to stop and remember how women talk when they get together. Trust me, women blow men out of the water when it comes to nasty talk (I’m female; I know), and they have less class about it, too: men don’t talk about their real girlfriends or their wives; women do talk about their boyfriends and husbands (not all women, guys! Relax!).

    Re. that Dillinger video: anyone else as fascinated as I am by Rod Serling’s upper lip? What happened to it? Where’d it go?

    • Agree: melendwyr
  217. At first, I assumed that the Wikileaks release was a reaction to the revelations of Trumps lewd locker room comments about seducing women, being that it came so soon afterwards. I thought it was reactionary. But now, after seeing Google’s ranking of news stories this morning, I have a different theory: The Clinton camp’s release of Trump’s secretly recorded comments was, in fact, preemptive.

    They released Trump’s lewd comments prior to the Wikileaks release (which was imminent) to give the media an excuse to gloss over Hillary’s campaign-killing comments about open borders, her admission of being out of touch with the middle class, her saying that there’s a bias against successful and complicated people, and that she should have both publicly and privately stated policies regarding specific issues.

    The Wikileaks issue, so far, has no more media presence than one of Bill Clinton’s verbal foibles during the campaign.

  218. @iSteveFan
    @Whiskey

    Okay Whiskey be honest. Admit you regret not listening to Patrick Buchanan twenty plus years ago. Admit you were wrong to side with the neocons and drum Buchanan out of the movement for his opposition to Iraq. Admit the neocons never had our best interests at heart.

    As for your comment about the needle, I haven't come across one Trump supporter who will leave over this. I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd. Most of them are nevertrumpers anyway.

    Provided there are no more videos, I think it is good the debate is tomorrow so this tape story doesn't linger for a week or two. The debate forces the attention back to the other issues, provided of course, they don't hand pick every audience member with a question about the tape. I mean how much can they talk about it? Of course Trump needs to use his skills to briefly answer and then move on and steer the debate towards his issues.

    Unless there are more tapes to come, I think it might have been a mistake to use this tape at this time. But the cuck Erick Erickson claims even bigger stuff is on the way. I wonder how he knows.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Matra

    I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd.

    If they have it their way the GOP will go back to being the Ned Flanders Party. Trump now needs to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and Bill’s rape victims. If he loses the election I think the Deep State will destroy him and his children. He has to win.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Matra

    Yes, and what I find so silly by the GOP cucks, is that THIS IS IT. GOP better get behind Trump because they will never gain any power/plain respect, or chance to ever get a Republican candidate elected ever again. Their stupidity over this is staggering. With Trump in the WH for 4 years, there is time for reasonable, new and improved, younger Republicans to be developed. Otherwise, it is Cultural Marxism for all.

    OT: I'm just glad that all the boring "abortion" issues are so yesterday. Gun issues are fine to bring up since guns sales are going through the roof because the American People do no feel safe. I mean, if you have to fear going into a shopping mall, IKEA, night club, restaurant, airport, office Christmas party, beach front promenade, grocery store, public park, something is terrible wrong.

    , @Anonymous
    @Matra

    He can't talk about Epstein because he himself has ties to Epstein. Trump is thoroughly neutralized.

    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/08/flashback.-remember-lawsuit-accusing-donald-trump-child-rape/


    Back in October, a federal judge held a hearing on an allegation by a woman who alleged that Donald Trump raped her at a party hosted by Bill Clinton BFF and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein:
     
  219. Read Podesta email 295. It is a survey of European immigrant crime. It draws heavily from German juvenile court judge Kirsten Heisig, who committed suicide, and her book When Patience Runs Out, which is a European answer to Colin Flaherty’s White Girl Bleed a Lot. Heisig’s book has not yet been translated into English, but that’s coming, and it will be made into a movie, so I humbly suggest that we all talk up Heisig (who committed suicide after years of both dealing with the reality of multi-kulti and being excoriated by her peers and popular culture and government for failing to maintain doublethink) and her necessary book.
    Let’s give publishers lots of reason to bring the English edition to market (it’s a major best seller in Germany, and Flaherty’s analogous books are best sellers here), and force the same PC bullies who stochastically murdered Heisig to recognize that they have only strengthened her.

  220. @iSteveFan
    Here is Trump's statement:

    STATEMENT FROM DONALD J. TRUMP

    “This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course - not even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.”
     

    I believe this is true. Trump and Bill alone together would be one hell of a conversation. I also hope he doesn't do any more explaining. I think this is enough.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    He absolutely must shut Hillary or the moderators down if they want to bring up “sexy time” talk. He must say; I have nothing more to say after my statement. The American People deserve to hear about international policies, domestic policies, the economy and crucial issues like immigration. He must pivot, pivot, pivot from any and all “sexy time,” or gender/race issues. He must be measured in his responses, and not allow Hillary to sabotage his responses. He must be stealth, stone-faced, calm and cunning. I don’t want to hear anymore about women’s body parts or men’s, for that matter…ditto about bathroom policy. What was that joke I heard, “During the Nixon administration, we got a man on the moon; during the Obama administration, we got a man into the ladies’ room.”

    Also, if anything comes up, always pivot to immigration, supporting troops/police/border patrol/the economy-jobs. Pivot from taxes and and gender/race baiting. Smash the fact that the western world is facing a crisis with unfettered immigration, and the middle class is forced to pay for the welfare of millions of people, millions of people who compete with our poorest people. American citizens must come first.

    And, of course the Wikileaks are a bad thing for Hillary. They will find every bimbo in U.S. and throw her onto Trump. He just needs to say: I made my statement last Friday, and want to concentrate on the most crucial issues facing the American People, because they deserve to hear it.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Lagertha

    Right. He will be tempted to drag Bill into the discussion. I think Hillary wants that. She would rather have a 90 minute debate on who was more egregious, Bill or Trump, than on discussing immigration, obamacare, trade, etc.

    So Trump needs to keep it short and stick to his winning issues.

  221. @Matra
    @iSteveFan

    I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd.

    If they have it their way the GOP will go back to being the Ned Flanders Party. Trump now needs to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and Bill's rape victims. If he loses the election I think the Deep State will destroy him and his children. He has to win.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous

    Yes, and what I find so silly by the GOP cucks, is that THIS IS IT. GOP better get behind Trump because they will never gain any power/plain respect, or chance to ever get a Republican candidate elected ever again. Their stupidity over this is staggering. With Trump in the WH for 4 years, there is time for reasonable, new and improved, younger Republicans to be developed. Otherwise, it is Cultural Marxism for all.

    OT: I’m just glad that all the boring “abortion” issues are so yesterday. Gun issues are fine to bring up since guns sales are going through the roof because the American People do no feel safe. I mean, if you have to fear going into a shopping mall, IKEA, night club, restaurant, airport, office Christmas party, beach front promenade, grocery store, public park, something is terrible wrong.

  222. iSteveFan says:
    @Lagertha
    @iSteveFan

    He absolutely must shut Hillary or the moderators down if they want to bring up "sexy time" talk. He must say; I have nothing more to say after my statement. The American People deserve to hear about international policies, domestic policies, the economy and crucial issues like immigration. He must pivot, pivot, pivot from any and all "sexy time," or gender/race issues. He must be measured in his responses, and not allow Hillary to sabotage his responses. He must be stealth, stone-faced, calm and cunning. I don't want to hear anymore about women's body parts or men's, for that matter...ditto about bathroom policy. What was that joke I heard, "During the Nixon administration, we got a man on the moon; during the Obama administration, we got a man into the ladies' room."

    Also, if anything comes up, always pivot to immigration, supporting troops/police/border patrol/the economy-jobs. Pivot from taxes and and gender/race baiting. Smash the fact that the western world is facing a crisis with unfettered immigration, and the middle class is forced to pay for the welfare of millions of people, millions of people who compete with our poorest people. American citizens must come first.

    And, of course the Wikileaks are a bad thing for Hillary. They will find every bimbo in U.S. and throw her onto Trump. He just needs to say: I made my statement last Friday, and want to concentrate on the most crucial issues facing the American People, because they deserve to hear it.

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    Right. He will be tempted to drag Bill into the discussion. I think Hillary wants that. She would rather have a 90 minute debate on who was more egregious, Bill or Trump, than on discussing immigration, obamacare, trade, etc.

    So Trump needs to keep it short and stick to his winning issues.

    • Agree: (((Owen)))
  223. Anonymous [AKA "Finito"] says:

    Hillary is going to win, that’s pretty much a given at this point. The only question is what happens to the emotion Trump tapped into. My suspicion is an almost immediate dissipation into nothing – there’s no vehicle for it to latch onto and there’s no coherent will to resist the inevitable. Most likely, this time next year some people on the “Alt Right” who were excited for wider recognition are going to find themselves on the wrong end of pressing government scrutiny.

    “This election isn’t about tax rates and health care it’s about civilizational survival.”

    If the survival of civilization hinges on an erratic billionaire the party is already over. This election was a pancreatic cancer diagnosis and Trump was an experimental treatment.

    “He just needs to say: I made my statement last Friday, and want to concentrate on the most crucial issues facing the American People, because they deserve to hear it.”

    They really don’t, though. At this point there’s nothing Trump needs to say – he’s made his case and it’s been rejected.

    We’re going to need some thoughts on how to deal with frustration, loss, and blowback from frightened and angry elites.

  224. @Maj. Kong
    @Lagertha

    Clinton wasn't impeached for sexual misconduct, he was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    yeah, know that: the perjury and obstruction was over the sexual misconduct….defining the meaning of “is,” and all. I remember…it was so strange when that navy Gap dress came into play as evidence. blech! But, the Oval Office was defiled by Bill. He’s such a world-class creep, and, the fact that she stayed with him showed her true colors. I just don’t want these too sickly-looking grifters anywhere near DC ever again. Why can’t they just…

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  225. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Matra
    @iSteveFan

    I am hearing most of the noise from the GOP cucks like Ryan and the Red State crowd.

    If they have it their way the GOP will go back to being the Ned Flanders Party. Trump now needs to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and Bill's rape victims. If he loses the election I think the Deep State will destroy him and his children. He has to win.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Anonymous

    He can’t talk about Epstein because he himself has ties to Epstein. Trump is thoroughly neutralized.

    http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/10/08/flashback.-remember-lawsuit-accusing-donald-trump-child-rape/

    Back in October, a federal judge held a hearing on an allegation by a woman who alleged that Donald Trump raped her at a party hosted by Bill Clinton BFF and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein:

  226. As long as women have universal suffrage, the decline will continue. Majorities of women are swayed by destructive emotional appeals. That’s why we’re increasingly a third world country.

    This can’t be won legally or electorally.

  227. @iSteveFan

    I don’t think he has a winning coalition anymore,
     
    But he does have the coalition, at least if what you write that he represents whites is true. If a candidate could get the white vote he would win. The problem is too many whites, maybe close to 40 percent, will vote for the democrat

    Liberals often mock mid-level whites for voting against their economic interests when they voted for Reagan and other republicans. Recall the book "What's the Matter with Kansas?" I think a case could be made today that the vast majority of that 40 percent of the white vote that is going for Hillary is also voting against their interests too. Yet no one ever says so.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Lagertha

    There’s no difference between GOP and the Democrats as far as the future they want/and the griftership while in DC. They are all for the Globalist/Free Trade/no borders/Multicult agenda. This is why Trump is a threat to them. And, yes you are right: the white lower & middle class group is being used by the Democrats. But, to this day, I only know of one HRC sign, but 7 Trump lawn signs in our town. Usually we have hundreds of lawn signs. So, people may be hiding their true choices. I am fighting against Immigration here/Migrants in Europe, PC culture stifling business and well, everything, the globalist agenda, and the push for WW3 with Russia..

  228. Jack Hanson says:

    As I said in the other thread, this has the hallmarks of an ambush that was sprung early in panic. This seems like it was supposed to be Machado II, and they had to silence the Wikileaks immediately.

    Also Steve, I hope when Hillary declares you a Kulak you realize that your delicate Boomer sensibilities are part of why you stuck around to get stuffed in a camp because you didn’t want to hurt the feelings of people like Owen

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack Hanson

    A lot of people seem to have the theory that this was a GOPe hitjob, Jeb's revenge and Paul's plan to run in 2020: a Bush family member recorded it, the GOPe had their disavowals all ready, it coincides with a joint rally Trump was supposed to do with Ryan, the Democrats seem taken aback and probably didn't want the Bill-Clinton-is-a-rapist backlash.

  229. @eah
    @Whiskey

    Basically, every Working Class White person in Germany lives in fear of Muslim thugs and also African ones, who have ... the aggression of a rabid bat. And act as conquerors with the connivance of the German Upper Class. ... Almost every single Muslim and African in Europe according to the letter to Podesta is a criminal and welfare addict and beats up various Whites with impunity.

    Stimmt nicht -- wahnsinnig übertrieben.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    und was machen Sie beruflich?

    • Replies: @eah
    @Joe Schmoe

    Techniker/Ingenieur -- im Mobilfunkbereich.

  230. By “hemispheric”, does Hillary mean the Americas from Canada to Argentina or the Northern hemisphere or what? It sounds strange to me.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @BB753

    Official definition of Western Hemisphere per USG:

    https://www.usembassy.gov/wha.html

    This is not a recent term; Monroe doctrine is from 1823:

    https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=23

    Replies: @BB753

  231. @AndrewR
    @YT Wurlitzer

    The media obviously is not blameless but at the end of the day they report what people want them to. Say what you want about Hillary and globalism but her speech was at least superficially an optimistic and utopian one. Who doesn't wish that a borderless world could work? Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren't. All but the most provincial folks at least occasionally fantasize about a world where borders weren't necessary. And many people simply are too ignorant to think that borders are necessary.

    So Hillary's speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump's comments as anything other than nauseating.

    Replies: @Moshe, @Joe Schmoe, @Desiderius, @International Jew

    So Hillary’s speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump’s comments as anything other than nauseating.

    They aren’t nauseating. They are raunchy even a little funny, but shocking to the sheltered.

    If Trump were gay and making similar comments about men, that would be nauseating.

    • Replies: @European in America
    @Joe Schmoe

    Joe brings up a very good point. Suppose Trump had made those comments about men? That would be interesting, wouldn't it? On the one hand some, but I can't imagine that many, of his supporters would have been turned off, but what about the liberazis? They would be in quite a dilemma, wouldn't they? Condemn the comments? Wouldn't that come across as homophobic? But wouldn't not condemning them imply a double standard with regards to how to treat men and women? I guess these types aren't too bothered by double standards, but it would be an interesting dilmma nonetheless.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @melendwyr

    , @AndrewR
    @Joe Schmoe

    "Durrr sexual assault and adultery are awesome but fags are icky"

    Are you 12?

  232. … The media obviously is not blameless but at the end of the day they report what people want them to …

    Was that true in Stalin’s Soviet Union or Mao’s China?

  233. I think most people are missing the real point of this story by not reading between the lines. See Hillary isn’t really an ideologue. The reason Berniebots don’t like Granny is like Fidel Castro of Cuba, she’s not a TRUE BELIEVER. Its not so much that she’s pragmatic, its more like she’s just innit fo da monie, as they say. You gotta remember that before she became a Democrat, she was a Goldwater girl. And then she was on the Watergate Committee, before she was kicked out for corruption. Its pretty bad when you’re investigating Nixon and you get busted for corruption.
    She’ll support ANYTHING for $225,000. On a day where she’s low on scratch, you might get her support for as little as $100,000 on sale. Its not pragmatism, and certainly not Machiavellian, its just plain Vanilla Corruption in a plain brown wrapper. Gotta love Vanilla in a plain brown Rapper, John Cena. Yo, ya can’t see her real self, that’s private and only available on e-mail.
    Any Jews should keep that in mind before they vote Blue on the November to Remember, cause that was a shitload of cash that Obama moneybombed the Ayatollah with when nobody was watching Da Plane. Remember, Da Plane, DA PLANE.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Dr. Doom

    Everything comes down to money and sex.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

  234. @AndrewR
    @YT Wurlitzer

    The media obviously is not blameless but at the end of the day they report what people want them to. Say what you want about Hillary and globalism but her speech was at least superficially an optimistic and utopian one. Who doesn't wish that a borderless world could work? Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren't. All but the most provincial folks at least occasionally fantasize about a world where borders weren't necessary. And many people simply are too ignorant to think that borders are necessary.

    So Hillary's speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump's comments as anything other than nauseating.

    Replies: @Moshe, @Joe Schmoe, @Desiderius, @International Jew

    Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren’t.

    You are simply mistaken. You might as well say people wish deep down that all ice cream tasted the same.

    Vive la différence!

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Desiderius

    Edgy.

  235. @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men."

    That's not quite true. Hillary is not really "good for women". Generally, what is good for men is good for women, but that can no longer be openly said in this debased country.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    What’s good for men: good women.
    What’s good for women: good men.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, you need to be more nuanced than that, especially around the word "good."

    Let us say that your environment requires investment from both parents to successfully raise children to the point where they can start reproducing themselves. In that case a "good" man is one who will stick around and help provide for the children and a good woman is one who will not seek other men's genetic contributions and you can expect each sex to be selected for finding "good" partners and detecting cheater.

    However, if your environment enables women to successfully raise children to reproductive status by themselves, then the definition of a "good" man or woman changes.

    Replies: @Tracy

  236. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    What's good for men: good women.
    What's good for women: good men.

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter

    Steve, you need to be more nuanced than that, especially around the word “good.”

    Let us say that your environment requires investment from both parents to successfully raise children to the point where they can start reproducing themselves. In that case a “good” man is one who will stick around and help provide for the children and a good woman is one who will not seek other men’s genetic contributions and you can expect each sex to be selected for finding “good” partners and detecting cheater.

    However, if your environment enables women to successfully raise children to reproductive status by themselves, then the definition of a “good” man or woman changes.

    • Replies: @Tracy
    @Peripatetic commenter


    However, if your environment enables women to successfully raise children to reproductive status by themselves, then the definition of a “good” man or woman changes.
     
    But women don't raise children to reproductive status in a true civilization by themselves, where "civilization" is a generally non-violent way of life that makes for people who want to procreate and to sacrifice for their children (as opposed, say, to leaving them on rocks to die, aborting them, etc.). See The Garbage Generation.

    What you're saying is akin to saying "if yellow were red and were then added to blue, it'd be purple."

    You're also denying the existence of objective morality, which you might be intending to do, but if you are, then how can you use the word "good" at all? Why not use "more effective in achieving a goal I personally desire"?
  237. @SFG
    @(((Owen)))

    The question is about interests. In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He's a flawed candidate. Hillary wants to increase immigration to please her constituents; Trump wants to decrease it for the same reason. Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men. Hillary is good for everyone who's not white; Trump, for everyone who's white.

    I don't think he has a winning coalition anymore, but he at least deserves your vote. Besides, if the parentheses mean what they usually mean, as IJ says, you want more Muslim refugees? Remember who's doing all the actual antisemitic violence in Europe these days, Pepe and Co. aside.

    Family, well, that's always hard. No point getting disowned over a few votes, and you may not even live in a swing state. But you could at least make the case that if Hillary wins, we are going to look a lot more like Brazil, there is going to be a lot more interethnic conflict as power levels equalize, and so on.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Thea, @ATX Hipster

    Hillary is not good for women.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Thea

    Women voting is bad for women.

    , @Lagertha
    @Thea

    agree. But why do most women (well, the HRC supporters) not see that? that is the question. I mean, staying married to Bill was a choice, like having an abortion. I would not want that sickly, germy, been-around-the-block wick dipping into me. I mean, most women who are supporting fracking Hillary, would they stay with their husband if he shoved a cigar up a young "co-ed's" vag? I am baffled by the women who are baffled by Trump's 11- years-old "sexy-time" conversation in a bus (of all things! - makes me think of Almost Famous, and all the crap that teen had to watch!) with a 3rd-rate celebrity reporter of a bullshit network that only had a female audience - mostly women who are voting for Trump, btw, haha!.

    OK, I want all the women who don't watch RHW's or read gossip magazines/watch soaps/get Botox injections/boob jobs/facelifts/hire personal trainers to lose weight/get their "Brazilian"/wear make-up (oh, yeah, this is war from Lagertha) to tell me the reason why they are sooooooo offended by a bunch of fratty-talk by Trump more than a decade ago? And, why are men offended by this? I mean everyone thought JFK's exploits were serious bro culture to be celebrated (Marilyn Monroe)...because he was so attractive and was such a hot Democrat.

    Pleez, most women knew guys who were crazy about them (when young and beautiful) with their sexy talk, back in the day, and they loved the attention. If you were smart and rational, you "bagged" one of these guys and are happily married with children....working or baking cookies. Why do women put down women at every chance for the choices they make, btw?

    Anyway, rambling....Thea, if you are a girl, like Kylie (who I am trying really, really hard to not fight with :)!) we must stick together. We know what is going on. I am not as learned as you both are, but I am blowing into the same embers like you both are.

  238. @Desiderius
    @AndrewR


    Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren’t.
     
    You are simply mistaken. You might as well say people wish deep down that all ice cream tasted the same.

    Vive la différence!

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Edgy.

  239. @Joe Schmoe
    @AndrewR




    So Hillary’s speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump’s comments as anything other than nauseating.

     

    They aren't nauseating. They are raunchy even a little funny, but shocking to the sheltered.

    If Trump were gay and making similar comments about men, that would be nauseating.

    Replies: @European in America, @AndrewR

    Joe brings up a very good point. Suppose Trump had made those comments about men? That would be interesting, wouldn’t it? On the one hand some, but I can’t imagine that many, of his supporters would have been turned off, but what about the liberazis? They would be in quite a dilemma, wouldn’t they? Condemn the comments? Wouldn’t that come across as homophobic? But wouldn’t not condemning them imply a double standard with regards to how to treat men and women? I guess these types aren’t too bothered by double standards, but it would be an interesting dilmma nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @European in America

    They had a bit of that problem with Pim Fortuyn, but then that problem went away.

    , @melendwyr
    @European in America

    A distinction needs to be made between what people claim to believe - or at least what they'll remain silent about - and how they act in private/secret.

    I'm sure many people are loudly proclaiming how offended they are about Trump's comments while in actuality neither being shocked nor surprised.

    I suspect if the comments were homosexual many people would loudly proclaim how acceptable they are and how they don't have a double standard - but they'd actually have a double standard and think less of Trump.

  240. @Moshe
    @AndrewR

    Disgusting rubbish. Absolute rubbish.

    You must be a rich guy interested in exploiting the masses around the world. Terrible.

    I'm rather non-provincial.

    But I like provinces. Let the Greek stay Greek, the Bedouin stay Beduin. The Jamaicans, Jamaican.

    A borderless world is YOUR fantasy. Not mine and not most of the other non "provincials" here.

    Elitist usurpers like you are what made Karl Marx so popular. We don't want his approach and we don't want yours. We want human and cultural diversity around the globe - SEPARATED BY BORDERS.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Clearly, literacy is not in your skill set

  241. @European in America
    @Joe Schmoe

    Joe brings up a very good point. Suppose Trump had made those comments about men? That would be interesting, wouldn't it? On the one hand some, but I can't imagine that many, of his supporters would have been turned off, but what about the liberazis? They would be in quite a dilemma, wouldn't they? Condemn the comments? Wouldn't that come across as homophobic? But wouldn't not condemning them imply a double standard with regards to how to treat men and women? I guess these types aren't too bothered by double standards, but it would be an interesting dilmma nonetheless.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @melendwyr

    They had a bit of that problem with Pim Fortuyn, but then that problem went away.

  242. @Thea
    @SFG

    Hillary is not good for women.

    Replies: @BB753, @Lagertha

    Women voting is bad for women.

    • Agree: Thea
  243. @Dr. Doom
    I think most people are missing the real point of this story by not reading between the lines. See Hillary isn't really an ideologue. The reason Berniebots don't like Granny is like Fidel Castro of Cuba, she's not a TRUE BELIEVER. Its not so much that she's pragmatic, its more like she's just innit fo da monie, as they say. You gotta remember that before she became a Democrat, she was a Goldwater girl. And then she was on the Watergate Committee, before she was kicked out for corruption. Its pretty bad when you're investigating Nixon and you get busted for corruption.
    She'll support ANYTHING for $225,000. On a day where she's low on scratch, you might get her support for as little as $100,000 on sale. Its not pragmatism, and certainly not Machiavellian, its just plain Vanilla Corruption in a plain brown wrapper. Gotta love Vanilla in a plain brown Rapper, John Cena. Yo, ya can't see her real self, that's private and only available on e-mail.
    Any Jews should keep that in mind before they vote Blue on the November to Remember, cause that was a shitload of cash that Obama moneybombed the Ayatollah with when nobody was watching Da Plane. Remember, Da Plane, DA PLANE.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Everything comes down to money and sex.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Lagertha

    “Everything In The World Is About Sex Except Sex. Sex Is About Power.”

  244. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson
    As I said in the other thread, this has the hallmarks of an ambush that was sprung early in panic. This seems like it was supposed to be Machado II, and they had to silence the Wikileaks immediately.

    Also Steve, I hope when Hillary declares you a Kulak you realize that your delicate Boomer sensibilities are part of why you stuck around to get stuffed in a camp because you didn't want to hurt the feelings of people like Owen

    Replies: @Anonymous

    A lot of people seem to have the theory that this was a GOPe hitjob, Jeb’s revenge and Paul’s plan to run in 2020: a Bush family member recorded it, the GOPe had their disavowals all ready, it coincides with a joint rally Trump was supposed to do with Ryan, the Democrats seem taken aback and probably didn’t want the Bill-Clinton-is-a-rapist backlash.

  245. @Thea
    @SFG

    Hillary is not good for women.

    Replies: @BB753, @Lagertha

    agree. But why do most women (well, the HRC supporters) not see that? that is the question. I mean, staying married to Bill was a choice, like having an abortion. I would not want that sickly, germy, been-around-the-block wick dipping into me. I mean, most women who are supporting fracking Hillary, would they stay with their husband if he shoved a cigar up a young “co-ed’s” vag? I am baffled by the women who are baffled by Trump’s 11- years-old “sexy-time” conversation in a bus (of all things! – makes me think of Almost Famous, and all the crap that teen had to watch!) with a 3rd-rate celebrity reporter of a bullshit network that only had a female audience – mostly women who are voting for Trump, btw, haha!.

    OK, I want all the women who don’t watch RHW’s or read gossip magazines/watch soaps/get Botox injections/boob jobs/facelifts/hire personal trainers to lose weight/get their “Brazilian”/wear make-up (oh, yeah, this is war from Lagertha) to tell me the reason why they are sooooooo offended by a bunch of fratty-talk by Trump more than a decade ago? And, why are men offended by this? I mean everyone thought JFK’s exploits were serious bro culture to be celebrated (Marilyn Monroe)…because he was so attractive and was such a hot Democrat.

    Pleez, most women knew guys who were crazy about them (when young and beautiful) with their sexy talk, back in the day, and they loved the attention. If you were smart and rational, you “bagged” one of these guys and are happily married with children….working or baking cookies. Why do women put down women at every chance for the choices they make, btw?

    Anyway, rambling….Thea, if you are a girl, like Kylie (who I am trying really, really hard to not fight with :)!) we must stick together. We know what is going on. I am not as learned as you both are, but I am blowing into the same embers like you both are.

  246. @AndrewR
    @YT Wurlitzer

    The media obviously is not blameless but at the end of the day they report what people want them to. Say what you want about Hillary and globalism but her speech was at least superficially an optimistic and utopian one. Who doesn't wish that a borderless world could work? Even those of us woke enough to know that borders are necessary still wish they weren't. All but the most provincial folks at least occasionally fantasize about a world where borders weren't necessary. And many people simply are too ignorant to think that borders are necessary.

    So Hillary's speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump's comments as anything other than nauseating.

    Replies: @Moshe, @Joe Schmoe, @Desiderius, @International Jew

    Who doesn’t wish that a borderless world could work?

    Well, in the limited sense where all foreigners are cheerful, witty and buxom Swedish exchange students, or they’re all François Truffaut or Isabella Rosselini. And indeed, for someone like Hillary, those are the foreigners in her world.

    If we could find a way to plant Somalis and Mara Salvatrucha where our elites live, and (in quantity) where their children go to school, our problems would soon be over, even without a President Trump.

  247. The funny thing of course is that borderlessness leads not to the peace John Lennon imagined in Imagine but directly to war, as we saw the day after Bill Clinton’s Melbourne speech on 9/10/01 when the US became plunged in a very long war due to letting in hostile foreigners.

    I always thought the Versailles Treaty’s outcome was the acid test on diversity, since it created new borders that corralled assorted ethnicities together, who normally wouldn’t have chosen to be together, eventually causing Europe to literally explode. Also, isn’t the Balkans another lesson in the outcome of unchecked diversity? Rwanda also comes to mind.

    Aimless diversity with not a care for the people getting diversified gets people killed.

    Simply, it’s social poison.

    The cyanide of law abiding, functional communities.

  248. Why not write “Brazilian bank”? Do you think your readers don’t know where Brazil is?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @AndrewR

    Because I couldn't be sure of what was the outcome of all the bank mergers, but they all were within South America, so I went with the broader descriptive term -- South American -- that wouldn't be wrong.

  249. @Lagertha
    @Dr. Doom

    Everything comes down to money and sex.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    “Everything In The World Is About Sex Except Sex. Sex Is About Power.”

  250. This “scandal” has the same silliness to it as the kerfuffle with the “grabbing” of the lady reporter in 2/16.

  251. That ericericson and glennbeck are shrieking leads to coordinate dnce/gope attack.

  252. @Joe Schmoe
    @AndrewR




    So Hillary’s speech can easily be spun as a positive. In contrast only the most debauched of fuckboys could see Trump’s comments as anything other than nauseating.

     

    They aren't nauseating. They are raunchy even a little funny, but shocking to the sheltered.

    If Trump were gay and making similar comments about men, that would be nauseating.

    Replies: @European in America, @AndrewR

    “Durrr sexual assault and adultery are awesome but fags are icky”

    Are you 12?

  253. Those old Playboy Interviews from the 70’s/80’s must have some stuff that would be embarrassing to some Democrats today.

  254. People who live in gated communities behind high walls and armed guards talking about open borders isn’t even an opinion. Its a paid commercial announcement by The International Finance Industry. This is about as genuine as the enthusiasm of out of work actresses hocking commemorative plates on QVC right after the 12 dozen knives set show for blade lovers and serial killers.

  255. @AP
    @Mr. Blank


    All the normal people, even Hillary voters, are shrugging at this.
     
    A lot of Mormons rescinded their endorsements. If this doesn't blow over in a few weeks Trump may have lost Utah.

    Replies: @Random Dude on the Internet, @Anon

    What, is Utah going to vote for Hillary? Pothead Gary Johnson? They aren’t viable alternatives for Mormons, either.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anon

    There's a neocon from Utah, Evan McMullin, running in a third party. He was polling at 12% in Utah earlier. If the Mormon establishment all get behind him he may win the state. It's looking like Utah will be a close 4-way race between Clinton, Trump, Johnson and McMullin. Trump may come in third place.

  256. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    This may be the first election decided by all 42 of the voters to show up at the polls.

    Seriously, though, I expect the turnout to be way lower than normal, and to resemble the mid-terms more than a presidential election. I also think the 3rd party candidates are going to be heavy draws.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Anon

    That's my hunch too and the midterms were a smashing success for the Dems.

  257. @SFG
    @(((Owen)))

    The question is about interests. In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He's a flawed candidate. Hillary wants to increase immigration to please her constituents; Trump wants to decrease it for the same reason. Hillary is good for women; Trump is good for men. Hillary is good for everyone who's not white; Trump, for everyone who's white.

    I don't think he has a winning coalition anymore, but he at least deserves your vote. Besides, if the parentheses mean what they usually mean, as IJ says, you want more Muslim refugees? Remember who's doing all the actual antisemitic violence in Europe these days, Pepe and Co. aside.

    Family, well, that's always hard. No point getting disowned over a few votes, and you may not even live in a swing state. But you could at least make the case that if Hillary wins, we are going to look a lot more like Brazil, there is going to be a lot more interethnic conflict as power levels equalize, and so on.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Thea, @ATX Hipster

    In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He’s a flawed candidate… Trump is good for men.

    That’s it right there. I’d love it if we were getting sane talk on immigration in the form of an Enoch Powell rather than a Donald Trump, but we have to play the hand we’ve been dealt.

    Back during the primaries, some of my more waspish family members were appalled when I told them I was supporting Trump, and I get it. But man, I’m still young and I’ve got small children. Am I supposed to vote for an objectively worse future just because Trump’s a crass blowhard?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @ATX Hipster

    I’d love it if we were getting sane talk on immigration in the form of an Enoch Powell rather than a Donald Trump

    And yet when we did have Enoch Powell it was the Tories, that is, conservatives, who destroyed him just like their American counterparts are doing to Trump.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster

  258. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @MLK

    Regardless, I think Trump's done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I've never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @(((Owen))), @MLK, @Joe Schmoe, @ben tillman, @Ed

    Regardless, I think Trump’s done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over.

    Well, we knew it was coming. That’s who Trump is.

  259. @Joe Schmoe
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    This is why women shouldn't vote.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    This is why women shouldn’t vote.

    Is there any reason why *anyone* should vote?

    Voting is undemocratic.

  260. @AndrewR
    Why not write "Brazilian bank"? Do you think your readers don't know where Brazil is?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Because I couldn’t be sure of what was the outcome of all the bank mergers, but they all were within South America, so I went with the broader descriptive term — South American — that wouldn’t be wrong.

  261. @Random Dude on the Internet
    @AP

    Donald Trump losing Utah but gaining Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, Colorado, and the second district of Maine seems like a good trade to me!

    Replies: @AP

    He’s not going to “gain” those areas due to the recent scandals.

  262. @AnotherDad
    @(((Owen)))


    And I told my family he was worth considering voting for. Shame on me.
     
    C'mon (((Owen)))--no shame--of course he's worth voting for. All the stuff you say is true about Trump--undisciplined, full of himself. But Trump is absolutely worth voting for given the alternative. This election isn't about tax rates and health care it's about civilizational survival.

    When the nation is turned to shit--Brazil-North--we're going to pat ourselves on our backs because we didn't elect the guy who talked--actually more like bullshitted to some other guy--about grabbing some girl's pussy?

    Sure when the conflict and strife are intolerable, your (((family))) may have the option of ducking out and living amongst their own tribe in Israel. But
    a) show some loyalty to your fellow Americans for once, who have been very good to the Jews
    and
    b) you may find when the West has turned to shit that Israel alone isn't so peachy or secure as you thought; i know when the West is a big pig pile, i can't see my descendants thinking they have some obligation to help out the people who gleefully trashed it

    Replies: @(((Owen)))

    Within my mixed family, Trump voting and Jewish blood quantum are very strongly correlated. It’s the gentiles that Trump is failing to persuade.

  263. @Peripatetic commenter
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, you need to be more nuanced than that, especially around the word "good."

    Let us say that your environment requires investment from both parents to successfully raise children to the point where they can start reproducing themselves. In that case a "good" man is one who will stick around and help provide for the children and a good woman is one who will not seek other men's genetic contributions and you can expect each sex to be selected for finding "good" partners and detecting cheater.

    However, if your environment enables women to successfully raise children to reproductive status by themselves, then the definition of a "good" man or woman changes.

    Replies: @Tracy

    However, if your environment enables women to successfully raise children to reproductive status by themselves, then the definition of a “good” man or woman changes.

    But women don’t raise children to reproductive status in a true civilization by themselves, where “civilization” is a generally non-violent way of life that makes for people who want to procreate and to sacrifice for their children (as opposed, say, to leaving them on rocks to die, aborting them, etc.). See The Garbage Generation.

    What you’re saying is akin to saying “if yellow were red and were then added to blue, it’d be purple.”

    You’re also denying the existence of objective morality, which you might be intending to do, but if you are, then how can you use the word “good” at all? Why not use “more effective in achieving a goal I personally desire”?

  264. I’m not convinced that John Lennon actually believed in ‘Lennonism’.

    Here’s a lengthy interview with John on the Dick Cavett show from 1971:

    He’s a smart guy with a dry sense of humor. Paul wrote the sentimental Beatles songs, not John.

  265. Has anyone else noticed that this election is all about the id?

  266. Hey, it’s the current year! Who gives a flying fig about Trump’s racy language?
    Myself, I say worse things than that on a daily basis as do most men with working testicles. Just goes to show that Trump is a healthy man.
    And Paul Ryan ought to check his testosterone levels.

  267. @Anon
    This may be the first election decided by all 42 of the voters to show up at the polls.

    Seriously, though, I expect the turnout to be way lower than normal, and to resemble the mid-terms more than a presidential election. I also think the 3rd party candidates are going to be heavy draws.

    Replies: @Ed

    That’s my hunch too and the midterms were a smashing success for the Dems.

  268. @Stephen R. Diamond
    @MLK

    Regardless, I think Trump's done. Rather a sad and ridiculous thing to lose over. The prediction markets immediately jumped three points. I've never seen anything like that. Usually the chickenshit bettors wait to sell polls.

    [On another topic, the VP debate was a tribute to intellectual decline. The Democrat, a thug devoted to preventing Pence from getting any important line clearly out; the Republican cynically lying through his teeth, sanctimoniously shaking his head at the truth.]

    Replies: @Peripatetic commenter, @(((Owen))), @MLK, @Joe Schmoe, @ben tillman, @Ed

    I don’t know. The theory that Trump is done is based upon white suburban women leaving him. People keep selling women short here. It’s a 11 year old tape everyone knows he’s a lout.

    What I’m seeing online & off is that people are incredulous that this is an issue. If you go to the Facebook pages of the GOPers that have come out against him, the top comments are against the GOPer and pro-Trump.

    If he has a decent debate tonight, Limbaugh & crew will eviscerate the GOP on Monday. The phones will light up and the meek GOP will fall silent.

    The new IA poll that shows Trump ahead was done pre-tape but there’s an interesting tidbit in there about new voters. Trump crushes her among new voters. Obviously in IA, new voters are overwhelmingly white but extrapolate that to states where there is a significant white working class like OH,WI & NV.

    This is far from over.

  269. Anonymous [AKA "Another anonymous poster"] says:

    “The theory that Trump is done is based upon white suburban women leaving him.”

    The theory that Trump is done is based on him being done. No one who considers themselves respectable is voting Trump now, and with the election already on a razor’s edge this will be enough to tilt things toward Hillary.

    “What I’m seeing online & off is that people are incredulous that this is an issue. If you go to the Facebook pages of the GOPers that have come out against him, the top comments are against the GOPer and pro-Trump.”

    Irrelevant and anecdotal.

    “If he has a decent debate tonight, Limbaugh & crew will eviscerate the GOP on Monday.”

    But we both know he won’t. How did the first one turn out? Do you think he is likely to be BETTER in this one given that he will be on the defensive from the get go? Is Trump at his best when on the defensive? The problem with this “if’ is that it just isn’t going to happen. Time to accept reality.

    “The new IA poll that shows Trump ahead was done pre-tape but there’s an interesting tidbit in there about new voters.”

    The first half of this statement makes the second irrelevant.

    “This is far from over.”

    Completely wrong. It’s over. Yes, the 40% who support Trump through thick and thin are still by his side. But that’s all he’s getting, and now everybody knows it. The rest goes Hillary, Johnson, Stein, or nobody.

  270. @Dr. X
    @Trelane


    A borderless world is ideal for looting the wealth of entire nations.
     
    Well, Karl Marx believed that under communism, there would be a borderless world and the wealth of the bourgeois capitalists in advanced nations would be looted by the global proletariat. So there ya go!

    Replies: @TheJester

    Well, Marx was wrong. In a borderless world controlled by private capital (the bourgeois be damned), the capitalists import illiterate goat herders by the millions to politically immobilize and distract their domestic proletariat and bourgeois classes. Then, with potential opposition silenced and in firm control of the banks, governments, and armies, they are in a position to loot the world.

  271. @ATX Hipster
    @SFG


    In my younger years I used to believe in principles and ideology; no more. He’s a flawed candidate... Trump is good for men.
     
    That's it right there. I'd love it if we were getting sane talk on immigration in the form of an Enoch Powell rather than a Donald Trump, but we have to play the hand we've been dealt.

    Back during the primaries, some of my more waspish family members were appalled when I told them I was supporting Trump, and I get it. But man, I'm still young and I've got small children. Am I supposed to vote for an objectively worse future just because Trump's a crass blowhard?

    Replies: @Matra

    I’d love it if we were getting sane talk on immigration in the form of an Enoch Powell rather than a Donald Trump

    And yet when we did have Enoch Powell it was the Tories, that is, conservatives, who destroyed him just like their American counterparts are doing to Trump.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    @Matra

    Yes, Western "conservatives" have been more concerned with being PC-compliant and promoting elite interests than conserving their fragile cultures for a long time now.

  272. @Joe Schmoe
    @eah

    und was machen Sie beruflich?

    Replies: @eah

    Techniker/Ingenieur — im Mobilfunkbereich.

  273. @AndrewR
    @iSteveFan

    Stein supports "full reparations" for slavery, as if we haven't already paid them many times over.

    And her running mate makes Barack Obama look like George Rockwell.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    Not being ‘murrican, hadn’t noticed the running mate!

    The running mate’s surname is the same as Obama’s chosen first name (OK, spelt a little differently). Wow! Those Muzzies sure do like recycling a very few names!

    By Geo. Rockwell, suppose you mean George Lincoln Rockwell?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Che Guava

    Yes sir

    Replies: @Che Guava

  274. @BB753
    By "hemispheric", does Hillary mean the Americas from Canada to Argentina or the Northern hemisphere or what? It sounds strange to me.

    Replies: @epebble

    Official definition of Western Hemisphere per USG:

    https://www.usembassy.gov/wha.html

    This is not a recent term; Monroe doctrine is from 1823:

    https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=23

    • Replies: @BB753
    @epebble

    I was aware of the term Western Hemisphere, but the adjective alone, "hemispheric" , without further qualification, sounds ambiguous.
    Thanks for the links.

  275. @Che Guava
    @AndrewR

    Not being 'murrican, hadn't noticed the running mate!

    The running mate's surname is the same as Obama's chosen first name (OK, spelt a little differently). Wow! Those Muzzies sure do like recycling a very few names!

    By Geo. Rockwell, suppose you mean George Lincoln Rockwell?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Yes sir

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @AndrewR

    A very entertaining and interesting character.

    It interests me that the orthodox series of major US assassinations in the 60s runs JFK, Martin LK, RFK, with Malcolm Littie having being a added to the pantheon and RFK largely forgotten.

    Maybe Oswald.

    Rockwell, Wallace, sure, Wallace didn't die, but his political career.

    Rockwell and Little both appear to have been killed by their (former) own, Rockwell by his former number 1, Little (presumably) for having become an apostate from the NoI (to, IMO, something worse).

    In the latter case, it was clear shots at close range. AFAIK, nobody was ever charged over it. NoI wall of silence, same reason none of the many Zebra killers were found or charged. The latter truly a disgrace to them.

    NoI seems to have moved on since, becoming a little like a negro analogue of the Mormonism of a century ago.

    For Rockwell, they have Patler or whatever his real name (Patlopoulos, something like that), was charged and convicted.

    Still, if he was really the lone gunman, I find the angles etc. a little preposterous, suppose the killing shot was pure chance ... or from somewhere else.

    Found a site (unsavoury, of course) with schematics of the scene, shots of the bullet holes in the window of the car, etc., want to look at it again, do the holes in the windscreen appear to have come from an elevated position? They didn't at a glance.

    Patler, patsy (which Oswald really did say, on TV). Perhaps.

    Interestingly, Japan has about the same rate of political assassinations as the USA, but they have slowed down in recent years, all of the major irritants having been eliminated or cowed by the threat.

    The last major one was the mayor of Nagasaki, years ago, killed by a gangster, mainstream press here claimed because the gangster was irritated by parking tickets or some such, everybody knows it was a political assassination.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  276. @Matra
    @ATX Hipster

    I’d love it if we were getting sane talk on immigration in the form of an Enoch Powell rather than a Donald Trump

    And yet when we did have Enoch Powell it was the Tories, that is, conservatives, who destroyed him just like their American counterparts are doing to Trump.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster

    Yes, Western “conservatives” have been more concerned with being PC-compliant and promoting elite interests than conserving their fragile cultures for a long time now.

  277. @epebble
    @BB753

    Official definition of Western Hemisphere per USG:

    https://www.usembassy.gov/wha.html

    This is not a recent term; Monroe doctrine is from 1823:

    https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=23

    Replies: @BB753

    I was aware of the term Western Hemisphere, but the adjective alone, “hemispheric” , without further qualification, sounds ambiguous.
    Thanks for the links.

  278. @Anon
    @AP

    What, is Utah going to vote for Hillary? Pothead Gary Johnson? They aren't viable alternatives for Mormons, either.

    Replies: @AP

    There’s a neocon from Utah, Evan McMullin, running in a third party. He was polling at 12% in Utah earlier. If the Mormon establishment all get behind him he may win the state. It’s looking like Utah will be a close 4-way race between Clinton, Trump, Johnson and McMullin. Trump may come in third place.

  279. @AndrewR
    @Che Guava

    Yes sir

    Replies: @Che Guava

    A very entertaining and interesting character.

    It interests me that the orthodox series of major US assassinations in the 60s runs JFK, Martin LK, RFK, with Malcolm Littie having being a added to the pantheon and RFK largely forgotten.

    Maybe Oswald.

    Rockwell, Wallace, sure, Wallace didn’t die, but his political career.

    Rockwell and Little both appear to have been killed by their (former) own, Rockwell by his former number 1, Little (presumably) for having become an apostate from the NoI (to, IMO, something worse).

    In the latter case, it was clear shots at close range. AFAIK, nobody was ever charged over it. NoI wall of silence, same reason none of the many Zebra killers were found or charged. The latter truly a disgrace to them.

    NoI seems to have moved on since, becoming a little like a negro analogue of the Mormonism of a century ago.

    For Rockwell, they have Patler or whatever his real name (Patlopoulos, something like that), was charged and convicted.

    Still, if he was really the lone gunman, I find the angles etc. a little preposterous, suppose the killing shot was pure chance … or from somewhere else.

    Found a site (unsavoury, of course) with schematics of the scene, shots of the bullet holes in the window of the car, etc., want to look at it again, do the holes in the windscreen appear to have come from an elevated position? They didn’t at a glance.

    Patler, patsy (which Oswald really did say, on TV). Perhaps.

    Interestingly, Japan has about the same rate of political assassinations as the USA, but they have slowed down in recent years, all of the major irritants having been eliminated or cowed by the threat.

    The last major one was the mayor of Nagasaki, years ago, killed by a gangster, mainstream press here claimed because the gangster was irritated by parking tickets or some such, everybody knows it was a political assassination.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Che Guava

    I vaguely recall that a couple of Nation of Islam hitmen who assassinated Malcolm X served long terms and were released and given sinecures by NoI. They kept their mouths shut.

    MLK assassination conspiracy theories make a certain amount of sense to me, although I suspect it wasn't a very interesting conspiracy.

    The RFK thing was a huge deal through the 1970s, but nobody really was able to deal with the need to recategorize it as Arab immigrant terrorism, so it's fallen off the radar. That movie producer guy I used to know through the Boy Scouts helped Emilio Estevez make a decent little movie, "Bobby," about the bystanders to that assassination.

    Replies: @Che Guava

  280. @Che Guava
    @AndrewR

    A very entertaining and interesting character.

    It interests me that the orthodox series of major US assassinations in the 60s runs JFK, Martin LK, RFK, with Malcolm Littie having being a added to the pantheon and RFK largely forgotten.

    Maybe Oswald.

    Rockwell, Wallace, sure, Wallace didn't die, but his political career.

    Rockwell and Little both appear to have been killed by their (former) own, Rockwell by his former number 1, Little (presumably) for having become an apostate from the NoI (to, IMO, something worse).

    In the latter case, it was clear shots at close range. AFAIK, nobody was ever charged over it. NoI wall of silence, same reason none of the many Zebra killers were found or charged. The latter truly a disgrace to them.

    NoI seems to have moved on since, becoming a little like a negro analogue of the Mormonism of a century ago.

    For Rockwell, they have Patler or whatever his real name (Patlopoulos, something like that), was charged and convicted.

    Still, if he was really the lone gunman, I find the angles etc. a little preposterous, suppose the killing shot was pure chance ... or from somewhere else.

    Found a site (unsavoury, of course) with schematics of the scene, shots of the bullet holes in the window of the car, etc., want to look at it again, do the holes in the windscreen appear to have come from an elevated position? They didn't at a glance.

    Patler, patsy (which Oswald really did say, on TV). Perhaps.

    Interestingly, Japan has about the same rate of political assassinations as the USA, but they have slowed down in recent years, all of the major irritants having been eliminated or cowed by the threat.

    The last major one was the mayor of Nagasaki, years ago, killed by a gangster, mainstream press here claimed because the gangster was irritated by parking tickets or some such, everybody knows it was a political assassination.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I vaguely recall that a couple of Nation of Islam hitmen who assassinated Malcolm X served long terms and were released and given sinecures by NoI. They kept their mouths shut.

    MLK assassination conspiracy theories make a certain amount of sense to me, although I suspect it wasn’t a very interesting conspiracy.

    The RFK thing was a huge deal through the 1970s, but nobody really was able to deal with the need to recategorize it as Arab immigrant terrorism, so it’s fallen off the radar. That movie producer guy I used to know through the Boy Scouts helped Emilio Estevez make a decent little movie, “Bobby,” about the bystanders to that assassination.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, Steve.

    Having read about it, I had the impression that the assassins had never been charged with the murder itself, but you are, of course, correct.

    From books, I never read that.

    Interestingly, WP has references to both Louis X and Farakhan, but no mention that it's the same person.

    A seriously interesting thing now, MSM were gushing about Trump being on trial for rape of a minor from the 18th of Dec. at this time last night, I checked after work earlier tonight, it's in the memory hole everywhere.

    Talk about black (not pigmentation) proganda!

    Dirty tricks dept. in full force.

    Regards.

  281. @European in America
    @Joe Schmoe

    Joe brings up a very good point. Suppose Trump had made those comments about men? That would be interesting, wouldn't it? On the one hand some, but I can't imagine that many, of his supporters would have been turned off, but what about the liberazis? They would be in quite a dilemma, wouldn't they? Condemn the comments? Wouldn't that come across as homophobic? But wouldn't not condemning them imply a double standard with regards to how to treat men and women? I guess these types aren't too bothered by double standards, but it would be an interesting dilmma nonetheless.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @melendwyr

    A distinction needs to be made between what people claim to believe – or at least what they’ll remain silent about – and how they act in private/secret.

    I’m sure many people are loudly proclaiming how offended they are about Trump’s comments while in actuality neither being shocked nor surprised.

    I suspect if the comments were homosexual many people would loudly proclaim how acceptable they are and how they don’t have a double standard – but they’d actually have a double standard and think less of Trump.

  282. @Steve Sailer
    @Che Guava

    I vaguely recall that a couple of Nation of Islam hitmen who assassinated Malcolm X served long terms and were released and given sinecures by NoI. They kept their mouths shut.

    MLK assassination conspiracy theories make a certain amount of sense to me, although I suspect it wasn't a very interesting conspiracy.

    The RFK thing was a huge deal through the 1970s, but nobody really was able to deal with the need to recategorize it as Arab immigrant terrorism, so it's fallen off the radar. That movie producer guy I used to know through the Boy Scouts helped Emilio Estevez make a decent little movie, "Bobby," about the bystanders to that assassination.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    Thanks, Steve.

    Having read about it, I had the impression that the assassins had never been charged with the murder itself, but you are, of course, correct.

    From books, I never read that.

    Interestingly, WP has references to both Louis X and Farakhan, but no mention that it’s the same person.

    A seriously interesting thing now, MSM were gushing about Trump being on trial for rape of a minor from the 18th of Dec. at this time last night, I checked after work earlier tonight, it’s in the memory hole everywhere.

    Talk about black (not pigmentation) proganda!

    Dirty tricks dept. in full force.

    Regards.

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